Evesham Course Pictures

I’m trying (12/11/2010) to reorganise my older site, which is now going on for a decade old. A lot has changed on the internet since then, and things that were difficult have become much easier to do, as people have contributed their time and expertise for free. I always wanted the site to be searchable, and to be able to move sequentially through the pages. This new site, based on WordPress, can do just that, and a lot more.

Looking through the old site (link on the right) there are a lot of pictures, mostly classified by the name of the contributor and nothing else. Grateful as I am, it isn’t the best way of setting out all the pictures, and I plan to reload everything once again with better indexing.

First a category which doesn’t need namechecks – a  lot of Evesham course photos, just to get me into practise. After much testing, I’m using the NextGEN gallery system by Alex Rabe, which seems to be the best, is very good, but not quite complete yet. Can’t complain too much, as it is free.

So – an Evesham course picture gallery. Click on any picture, and you get a large version, with forward and back arrows. Click again to go back to the thumbnails.

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Dave Mundy’s Evesham Pictures

Dave is a sound man, and like all BBC tech-ops staff, spent some time at BBC Evesham Technical Training Department……

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Dave says –

I have racked my brains and this is all the info I can remember about T.O. 11! In order of the cast list on the photo –
1. Bob Stickland – TC Sound Dept. various crews.
2. Clive Bruce – Manchester Control Room (Radio)
3. Chris Lovell – BH Tech. Ops. radio
4. Jim Guthrie – Glasgow Radio (married an Evesham girl)
5. Tony Giles – BH Tech. Ops.radio
6. ‘Chilly’ Inglis – Edinburgh radio (recently mentioned in ‘Prospero’ at some Edinburgh anniversary)
7. John Brown – TC Vision Supervisor (I went to his wedding in Lewisham, he left TV and went to own a sweet shop on I.O.W!)
8. Ron Sproston – TC Sound Dept. – was in BBC Choir, sang at the Proms, transferred to Manchester, found dead in his flat.
9. Keith Wicks – BH Tech. Ops. radio
10. Peter Copeland – Bush House, BH. then Bristol – became curator of British Library Sound Archives, died in 2006, lots of articles via ‘Google’ (such as Wikipedia)
11. Mike Benson – BH Tech. Ops. radio – did a Studio Manager conversion course (mentioned on ‘oldsms’ website)
12. Trevor Vaisey – cameraman, last heard of at Anglia TV (my room-mate in ‘D’ block!)
13. John Scott – BH Tech. Ops. radio
14. Dave Mundy – Birmingham Radio Control Room (3 yrs.), TC Sound Dept. (18 yrs.), Tel.Obs. Acton(17yrs.)
15. Derek Rea – Belfast Radio
16. Brian Spink – Bush House
17. Geoff Stafford – TC vision then Presentation Studio Engineer, transferred to Bristol as Lighting engineer. He has lit many OBs such as ‘Songs of Praise’-(mentioned on ELP website re. Truro Cathedral shoot)
18. Roger Kendall – Cardiff, became a Comms. and Transmission lecturer at Wood Norton (1993 WN staff photo on ‘vtoldboys’ website – my first room-mate)

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Stories 3

From Patrick Heigham

Memories of Gram operating in the sixties

I became a Gram Op in order to be able to park. No kidding! In the days before the BBC multi-story, (and I left before the builders’ cleavage had reached puberty), there used to be ample parking at TVC. Behind the scene block, reached from Frithville Gardens, and in front, to the right of the original reception entrance, was a very useful area, open to all and sundry.

However, the extension to TVC, containing TC 6 onwards, encroached upon this ground and so a system of car passes came into force, with a daily quota available to be split between departments. Since there was a shortage of both rehearsal facilities and sound editing rooms (i.e. the galleries), one of the job grades to be allowed a permanent car pass was that of the Gram Op, as we used our cars to attend ‘outside rehearsals’, also to reach edit or recording facilities at BH or even Bush, subsequently bringing the precious tapes safely back to TVC.

So, following John-John Eden-Eadon’s wise advice to apply for Grams Training, I became attached to Bish (Adrian Bishop-Laggett) – well, he was a very nice bloke, anyway! Bish was then pioneering the task of supplying the ‘noises-off’ for Dr. Who, and indeed, the very first story introducing the Daleks!

Shortly after I joined the show, Bish moved on to become a Sound Supervisor, and I was left in charge of a huge library of effects and the job of liasing with Brian Hodgson of the RadioPhonics Workshop at Maida Vale.

From the Tape deck of the Tardis, let me take you on a journey back in time, to tell some of today’s operators: ‘How it USED to be done’

Each weekly episode was usually recorded on Fridays, with a midweek visit to the outside rehearsal in some drill hall which could be anywhere from Acton to Wandsworth. Having discussed final ideas with the Director, it was back to TVC for a session in the Gram Library, a quick beer and sarnie in the Club and thence to Lime Grove and Studio R. Studio R was a dedicated sound-only studio, control room and machine room with tie-lines to CAR in both audio and vision. In my time, it was equipped with three or four Leevers-Rich ¼” decks and the most irritating cross plugging matrix panel of multi-pin F & E sockets, which carried both ins and outs simultaneously. How much better were the TVC patch panels using double-enders to connect exactly what you wanted where. Studio R also had its own ‘hermit’ – Jack Timms – an ex-Decca man for whom the BBC had found this niche. He used to work solely in this facility, doing any odd job for which programmes might not have had a dedicated Gram Op.

He liked Wednesdays, for I had exclusive use of Studio R for the afternoon, and he could go home!

My task was normally to prepare and shuffle all the required effects onto various spools for playing in on the night.

I used to try and insist that whichever studio we were in, could have EMI TR90 decks for replay, as these had an amazingly fast start, which made cueing of spot effects synchronised to action, a better possibility.

Leevers-Rich had horrible habits of either wow starting or stretching the tape. I was allowed three tape decks, together with the standard four disk turntables (modified Garrard 301’s with quick start mechanisms), and in the early days when the show was based in Studio D, a six-channel outboard mixer, through which all the effects sources were routed, owing to the woefully inadequate channel facilities of the installed desk.) Somewhere I have some illicit 8mm cine film of the lash-ups we used to construct, including a long atmos tape loop that stretched across the sound gallery and round a cine spool with a pencil spigot!

During the Dalek episodes, all the distinctive voices were usually supplied by Peter Hawkins, and were there a need for multiple Dalek ‘players’ then some dialogue tracks were pre-recorded and played in by yours truly. Therefore I became an Actor, since accurate timing, if not the delivery, was paramount since I was playing opposite real folk in the studio. I remember leaving Debbie Watling, then playing the Doctor’s sidekick, with egg-on-her-face, as I glanced at my script to check the next sequence, and nearly forgot to play in the final reply line to her dialogue!

I normally arranged all effects or music stings of finite duration on the first spool, then split atmospheres and background music between the other two machines. Mostly I had the facility of twin-track decks, but a few pool machines were full-track only, which sometimes caused panic and necessitated a rapid re-think.

If the programme had recording breaks, then music cues running over the join were dubbed on later. The VTR tape was edited by cut and splice, then.

In the very early days, Lime Grove galleries were fitted with 78rpm turntables, with parallel tracking pickups, and old-fashioned steel needles. It being impossible to back track the discs, one had to groove count before the mod of the effect happened, either by counting turns from the run in, or by gently clicking the needle from groove to groove, on pre-hear. If you got it wrong, it was either late, or halfway through! Later, the DRD5, equipped with a stereo stylus that had vertical compliance, allowed the disc to be rotated backwards from the start of the effect and so cued in with a bit of anticipation. This seems to be the mainstay of the exponents of today’s scratching DJ artistry, but let’s face it, chaps, it’s not new!

The time of which I speak was around 1963 – 65, nearly FORTY years ago, we had fun doing it; with wobbly polystyrene sets, we tried hard to create a fantasy, which has since become a cult. What would I have been able to contribute with the use of audio delivery systems off the hard drive of a computer?

Pat Heigham (Tech Ops TVC 1962-68)

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From Terry Brett

How I got into lighting sooner than I intended. . . .

The scene is studio R2 (Riverside) on a Saturday afternoon with BBC2’s brand spanking new alternative to sport, ‘Open House’. Both Riverside studios were used to produce this magazine show hosted by Gaye Byrne, of the ‘Late Late Show’ on RTE. Stewart Morris produced the show (shudder!).

There I was, a mere stripling of a lad, doing one of his first cameras. Standing behind a Pye Mk5 camera on a spring ped with a Varotal Zoom.
Unfamiliar with this combination? Well aren’t you the lucky one! For the uninitiated the spring ped was a cheap alternative to the Vinten gas peds and used springs to balance the weight. They were exceedingly heavy and the column range was negligible. The Varotal zoom was a bolt on device with cable operated zoom and focus. Not the most responsive device as it seemed you had to take up the cable slack before anything happened and then overshot at the end.

Well here we are on air, a fashion display. Model walks forward with your truly tracking back in front of her. Yes tracking, we didn’t really believe in zooming anyway in those days. Suddenly the ped grinds to a halt. Cameraman and model start to panic. The floor in R2 was notoriously uneven and the ped had stuck to the floor. I, a shadow of my present self, hadn’t the weight to shift it. Stu Lindley came to the rescue and with a bump we were off again, accompanied of course by the kind of sympathy only Stewart Morris can provide.

So a very young cameraman, nerve totally gone, faces his next task – a black tap dancer, dressed in black dancing on a black floor! This man was like Sammy Davis Jr. on speed. Guess who had to do the close ups of his feet? Yup, and remember what I said about the zoom? Well with that combination not much was in focus of course – more encouragement from Mr Morris.

Shortly after that I was called to see Gwillym Dann and asked if I would like to join the Vision Section. . . . . .

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This is one of mine (Bernie). It isn’t strictly a tech-ops story….

In the early nineties I was asked to be the BBC’s maker of commercials. Somebody had decided that it was ok to sell books records and tapes on BBC1, provided the BBC had made them. I counselled against this, as a senior Pres producer – I thought it was bad politics. I said my piece and went on leave. When I came back, they had not only ignored me, but decided I was the person for the job.

As it happened, it was something I loved doing. I had been told off for doing on Radio Times “trails” in the past – they were supposed to hint at the possibility of buying, rather than actually kicking the punters in the teeth, and I was always too gung ho.

One day they wanted us to sell a diet book, and they asked for something simple and direct. I decided that a bikini-clad model in Pres A (the camera was operated by tech-ops) was just what was needed. She would have just one line to say.

I had no idea where to get models from. It was the height of political correctness around our department, but I asked our lady booker of artistes. She didn’t turn a hair, and gave me the numbers of several specialist agents. So I rang one. I explained to the rather camp voice that the model should look like the girl next door, rather than a sex siren, and that I would need to see the girl first before I put her on the air. He said no problem. Look in the catalogue he would send, pick some likely girls, as many as I wanted, and he would send them over so I could pick one. No charge,  just pay the successful one the standard rate for the job.

So I picked half a dozen, got them in to Pres A in their bikinis, asked them to read the line, looked them over and selected one. It all went very well, apart from the embarrassing experience in reception.

The first girl arrived a bit early. I went down to collect her, and decided we should sit there and wait for the others. We made small talk in a crowded reception for a few minutes, and then she said “Would you like to look at my portfolio?” – a large folder she had brought with her. “Ok”, I said, and she opened it up. The pictures were very tasteful, provided you don’t mind full frontal nudity in 10×8 black and white with the world and Michael Palin sitting around you, whilst talking to the person featured in all her glory. “Very nice”, and “That one’s good” I said, flicking through.

It turned out that she worked in Boots mostly, thought she had done page 3 and really wanted to be a model. And she got the job, because she could actually say the line and look like the girl next door in her bikini.

The Monopolies and Merger Commission stopped the BBC making commercials a few months later. I told them so…

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Stories 2

Some of my personal stories

The Young Generation were Stewart Morris’s dance group. They backed anybody who happened to be the featured artist for this months series (I wonder why?), and even had a series of their own. Nigel Lithgow and Lesley Judd were their best known products.

One Easter Stewart had them do a special of their own in TC1 called “Jesus” (a word often heard from Stewart, but not in this context). It was a pretentious religious musical piece, and required an enormous Chapman Hercules crane, normally used for such delights as Lawrence of Arabia. It came with it’s own driver, who was pretty used to steaming through the desert, but not pretending to be an overgrown Mole in TC1.

Brian White was the cameraman, and it had a team of swingers, including Bill Jenkin, I think. The cameraman had a chap with him to wind a handle to rotate his seat and the camera, which was me.

Stewart, in typical form, set up a fast track back down the studio, with a right-angle turn by the control room window. The driver, eager to please, zipped along, and performed the track and the turn perfectly. Unfortunately, the massive weight of the arm just picked up the swingers as the base turned the corner, and it continued in the direction it had been going.

“J***s, where the **** are you camera 1?”, quoth our director.

The answer was very close to “Right behind you, Stewart”, as Brian and I missed crashing through the gallery window by about half an inch!

Many years later, as a senior Pres producer with the run of the library, I booked out the original 2″ transmission tape of the show and watched it one Saturday afternoon – probably the first person to see it in 15 years. It looked as cheesy as ever, and it turned out to have been cut-edited – ie the tape had been physically cut. As the splices went through the heads there would be a great thump, and the picture would fall apart, because the joins had stretched over the years of storage.

An aside – the whine of a 2″ VT machine was a daily part of my life for 20 years. There’s only one (of dozens) left at Television Centre now – to hear that sound brings on waves of nostalgia! Not dissimilar to walking back into the Phoenix, the studio at Evesham, last year after 35 years – it still has the same smell!

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The Young Generation were also involved in “Project X” – five secret days at the TV Theatre which turned out to be a sort of mini Royal Command Performance.

They set up a pair of thrones at the front of the circle for the Queen and Duke, and also completely re-furbished the ladies toilet. For three days we dared each other to go and look inside, and on the morning of transmission, we did.

Where, if it was anything like the gents, there had been peeling paint, etc, there was indirect lighting, pink mirrors, hairbrushes, towels and flowers, all neatly laid out.

We had to know if she would actually use it – so during the interval we kept watch.

She never went near it!

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I was the late cameraman in Pres A one evening. In those daydays there was a weather caption at 9.25, and maybe a menu, then home.

On this particular evening, an Apollo was due to land on the moon – Apollo 15, I think. They had decided that it was no longer worth staffing TC7 all through the trip, and so James Burke was oov in Houston, with Patrick Moore and others oov in London, all controlled by producer Dick Francis in ICR, along the corridor from Pres A.

They were due to carry the landing live at 9.25 on BBC1 using NASA pictures, but at the last minute everything went pear-shaped when NASA decided they should do some more orbits of the moon. BBC1 was suddenly going to consist of just that picture of the Houston control room for the 45 minute slot.

At about 15 minutes past nine all hell broke loose in Pres A, as Pres Producer Pat Hubbard arrived from the bar and announced that we would cover, and went off to discuss with Mr Francis what we’d do. Left in the studio with seven minutes to go were five slightly bemused people.

The sound man went hunting for mics. Assistant producer Orwyn Evans and I rustled up chairs and a table stolen from Late Night Line Up, whilst the S.Tel.E and Harry the sparks did the lights. Then Patrick Moore and two others (we had expected one) turned up asking how they would hear James Burke in Houston. The sound man and I found some earpieces, but the only feed available was zero level talkback – starring the tired and emotional Pat Hubbard.

For the first, and, I think, only time in my life, I was in charge of the camera crew. Orwyn had left school wanting to be a cameraman, but not, it has to be said, live at 9.25 on BBC1 for his first show. Harry was dragooned into being floor manager.

I showed Orwyn the zoom and focus on one of the cameras and told to just do as he was told, then went to operate the other two.

As soon as we went on the air, Pat opened up the local Pres intercom to Network 1 and ICR, and shouted loudly and rudely at everyone. I tried to quietly use my camera intercom to explain to Pat that Patrick and co were hearing his talkback (as he was saying “Ok, tell Patrick to shut up”). Patrick soldiered on professionally (“We just don’t know!”) for the 45 minutes whilst wincing at the din in his ear. Next day, we made the Daily Mirror.

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From Me

One of the first moon rocks, from Apollo 11, was brought to TC7 during the Apollo 12 mission, to be seen on British tv for the first time. It arrived with great ceremony guarded by 2 security men, and locked in a heavy briefcase.
When the case was opened, the rock was revealed to be sealed in a perspex dome and mounted on a metal stand, irremovable and untouchable. It was explained that it was far too precious to be taken out. The crew were very disappointed that they couldn’t touch the rock, until one of the British scientists being interviewed said “That’s all right, you can touch mine”. He produced a small plastic box which he opened and tipped out another rock which he handed round for everyone to play with.

(So I was one of the first people ever to touch a moon rock)

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Could be apocryphal – I heard this in a tea bar….

Peter Hills (trademark: – “Hello, squire!”), well known senior cameraman on crew 17, was doing an attachment as a TM2 (the man who runs the VTs at the end of the desk in the gallery, for the younger members).
It was in the days of 405, black and white, tense “as live” studio drama – and huge 10ft by 6ft mirrors used for back projection behind cars etc..
A seriously dramatic bit of acting was going on at one end of the studio, whilst at the other, the Mole had to do a quick reposition. As the Mole turned, the arm somehow got away from its operator, and the inevitable happened. There was the most almighty crash as the mirror fell into thousands of expensive pieces, followed by a deadly hush – broken by a little voice from the loudspeaker talkback in the roof – “You’ve fucked it now, squire!”

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A quote….
“Listen to the music, cloth ears” – Stewart Morris to a senior cameraman who hadn’t worked with him before.

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When The Crazy World of Arthur Brown came in to TOTP to play “Fire”, it was done as a post recording, because Arthur wore a real fire crown. Someone had decided also that the studio would have smoke in the air (very unusual then), so they got a special effects fellow called Bertram in, who had probably been at Lime Grove in the Gaumont- Kalee days. He brought a large machine on fat wheels which was, in fact, labelled Gaumont-Kalee. It had a delivery tube a foot in diameter. Bertram tended this machine all day, to the amusement of the floor manager, who kept asking if he’d be ready. When the kids had all been chucked out, the moment came – the floor manager shouted “Now, Bertram” – and the tube belched an enormous amount of smoke, so much so that the Heron driver, me, couldn’t see the ground to see his marks, and neither could anyone else. Arthur’s crown was extinguished, and we all waited 20 minutes till we could see again. The clip that is still shown is take two, with much less smoke and a chastised Bertram

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Still on TOTP – one day during the live show, the Heron I was tracking, with Al Kerridge on the front, ground to a halt with 28 bars to get to the other end of the studio. I leapt off, and the crowd pushers helped me get the machine down the studio in time. Then we realised that the cable guard had jammed into the floor and taken a long gouge out of the lino. It stayed there for several weeks, and had a lead part in The Man in the Iron Mask, a Sunday afternoon serial. Eventually they re-laid the flooring, but not very well, and it bulged around the edges, making for some bumpy tracks. One night after the kids had gone, The Stones came in to play Jumping Jack Flash. During the recording the crew’s top Heron driver (me again!) spun the machine round, and completely ripped out the squares of badly laid lino. After that they had to take the studio out of service to do the job properly.

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There were lots of trainees in the late ’60’s, including me, and we all made screw-ups – I broke an antique pram on Adam Adamant – but I think the most accident prone and ineffectual was a chap I’ll call James (because that wasn’t his name).
James first came to notice on an arts show in Studio D. On one side of the studio a modern jazz group played against a chromakey blue background, whilst on the other side were the things to be keyed in. James was tracking the Heron on the group, but kept losing interest and looking the other way – not surprising, as one of the keyed-in objects was a naked girl having gearwheels painted on her breasts. At lunch, the senior cameraman said “Look, you must concentrate – haven’t you seen a naked woman before?” James replied “Yes, I have – now”
At the Golders Green Hippodrome, James managed to step backwards off the stage whilst cable-bashing. The stage was much higher than at TVT, but luckily for him, his belt caught on the Mole cable bollard and he hung there as the crew fell about laughing, and the floor manager rushed to help whilst looking daggers at the crew.
James’s crowning glory was during a schools programme – finally allowed to operate a camera, he managed to zoom in on an object on a table – and miss. He left tech ops soon after, and persued a long career in another part of the BBC – he may still be there…

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From Roger Bunce

During the Work to Rule, a junior Cameraman, such as myself, was only allowed to perform one operation at a time – as specified by our job description.
My crew was working on “The World of Wooster” at the time, with Ian Carmichael as Bertie Wooster and Dennis Price as Jeeves. One of my shots required me to track in to a close-up of Ian Carmichael. The rules allowed me to track and maintain focus, but I was not allowed to tilt, crane or in any other way reframe the shot as I tracked. The result would have been a track into Bertie Wooster’s tie knot, rather than his face.
Fortunately, the Cast and Production team all supported our action and were prepared to conspire to make the shot work. We arranged that, as I tracked in, Ian Carmichael would bend at the knees, in order to keep his face in the frame. True professional that he is, he maintained perfect headroom throughout the shot!

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From Bill Jenkin

Roger Fenna during a crew discussion on the importance of getting the rig done properly:
“No director has ever come up to me and said ‘Bloody good rig Rog!'”

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Sometime in the 1980s a T.M. who shall remain nameless was setting up a circuit for Breakfast Time with a russian woman in Dundee who was taking action to put pressure on the various authorities in order to get her husband out from behind the iron curtain.
T.M.: ” would your like to say a few words for level please”

Woman: “what would you like me to say?”

T.M.: “just say what you had for breakfast this morning”

Woman (very annoyed): “I have had nothing – I am on hunger strike!”.

Which was what the item was all about in the first place.

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Another Breakfast Time in the 80’s

Selina Scott turns to the big B.P. screen and asks a question of a man in Belfast.
The man in Belfast only gives a blank stare.

Selina Scott: “Mr xxxx can you hear me?”

Man in Belfast “No I’m afraid I can’t”

Scotty: “OK then we had better go on to something else and come back later”

M. in B.: “Yes I think that would be a good idea”.

Scotty turns back and carries on with the show.

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From Howard Michaels

In 1974 I was a junior cameraman on Squire Hill`s crew 17.It was the height of the three day week with power cuts etc and we were making a money programme in Lime Grove studio D.
The Director,who shall remain anonymous, was very young and inexperienced, and during the course of rehearsals was heard to say such things as ” I want you to zoom in through the tunnel to a wide shot”.
We spent the afternoon recording some of the show, but the live bit of the programme was badly under-rehearsed.
When transmission came he had artists in the wrong chairs at the wrong end of the studio, cameras were in the wrong positions etc.
The programme ran live for 45minutes, however when it was repeated it only ran for 30 minutes – I wonder why?

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From Me

Also in the rota power cuts, I worked on Falstaff in TC1. Bob Wright, the lighting man was trying out a new soft light which consisted of a cyc on one wall with a quarter on a megawatt shining on it. It made a brilliant sunrise, the like of which hadn’t been seen in BBC studio before. When we opened the big doors onto Wood Lane, the whole of the rest of Shepherd’s Bush was in absolute darkness.

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Joan Marsden, known to all as Mother, was always floor manager on Panorama. In the mid-sixties, she presided over the first trans-Atlantic satellite tv interview, with the incoming feed up on a huge back projection Eidophor screen. When the circuits were up and sawtooth and tone removed, the Americans plugged Studio G’s feed back to itself. Mother and all in the studio marvelled as she talked and waved at her 50,000 miles delayed self.

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From Bill Jenkin

As a very green recruit, literally only a few weeks back from Wood Norton, I was attached to Crew 10 (Geoff Feld was acting Senior Cameraman.) and we were doing one of those “Sunday” serials – an adaptation of Charles Kingsley’s “Hereward the Wake” directed by Peter Hammond. We were in studio G surrounded by Normans and Saxons (Alfred Lynch as Hereward). I was cable bashing and all the other spare effort had been given an ‘early’. There was a camera tower in the middle of the studio and as we broke for dinner there was a loud AAARRGH! and bump as the cameraman John (Spider) Whatton descended from the tower rather faster than he had anticipated. John was despatched to Hammersmith Hospital. Fortunately he was not seriously injured – only shaken up with a few bruises – but he was not going to reappear for the recording.

As all the more experienced crew reliefs/trainees had gone home there was only one thing for it – I was going to have to do the camera without any rehearsal. Shaking with nerves, I was taken through all the shots by the director Peter Hammond and Geoff before the recording.

I can’t remember what it was, but at some point I must have thrown my inexperience into relief by asking some extremely naive question about one of the shots. There was a short silence as Geoff and Peter looked at one another. Finally Peter turned to me and said

“I’ll leave that to your professional judgement”…..gulp!

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