[Tech1] Help in identifying a photograph - poss another female camerawomanM

SUSAN MALDEN sue.malden at btinternet.com
Sat Jul 24 05:24:38 CDT 2021


Many thanks Simon

Cheers Sue

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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Help in identifying a photograph - poss another 
female camerawomanM
Hi Sue,
I’ll send you a direct email with Jeannine Baker’s contact details once 
I’m at home later.
Best wishes
Si

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On 23 Jul 2021, at 22:08, SUSAN MALDEN via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:


This is an amazing string of emails with such important broadcasting 
historical information. As Albert has suggested - I would love the 
opportunity to bring all these threads together in an article for the 
BBCPA


Also I would like to explore the relevance of the BEHP interview with 
Bimbi Harris 
https://historyproject.org.uk/interview/barbara-bimbi-harris  to these 
recollections from Molly.

Does any one have contact details for Dr  Jeannine Baker who has 
recorded a long interview with Molly.It would be so important to hear 
this interview and make sure that it is saved for future

  Regards  Sue

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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 23 Jul, 21 At 21:51
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Help in identifying a photograph - poss another 
female camerawoman

I have been intrigued by this thread.  When I joined Tech.Ops in 
1960 the understanding was that the group of Lady Vision mixers 
"of a certain age" had been recruited in around 1946 as Camera 
operators while the men were still in the army.  Molly's 
reminiscences sort of support this story (though she was with the 
BBC earlier than 1946).  What I now find interesting was her 
mention of a colleague called Rachel.  Could that be the legendary 
Rachel Blaney, famed for the double clunk as she kept the next 
camera on the Preview Monitor?  It ties in with the way that Molly 
had to "mix".
Mike Minchin

On 23/07/2021 12:40, Alexandra Palace       Television Society via Tech1 
wrote:



My             apologies for not replying sooner to this thread, but I 
have             been waiting for an email from Australia where I have 
tracked down the lady featured in the photograph I shared a 
couple of weeks ago.

The lady             in question is Molly Brownless, (nee Heritage, then 
Frood),             and she was operating the camera in the original 
photograph!  She was at AP before from April 1946 and was 
operating an Emitron on the re-opening day!  I’ve been 
corresponding with Eileen, Molly’s daughter, who was with 
her the day she received my email – Molly remembers working 
on the ballet and has a great recall of her days working at 
AP.  Molly is now 101, loving life and is constantly busy. 
After emigrating to Australia in 1951 she was a pioneer with 
Australian television when it was established and went on to 
have an important career within the industry.

Dr             Jeannine Baker (who I give total credit for identifying 
Molly) has recorded a long interview with her, over three 
consecutive days.  Jeannine has recently given a talk to an 
Australian conference on Molly career and it will be 
featured on a new website for the National Film and Sound 
Archive of Australia.  She is also working on a book about 
women and technology in television covering the UK and 
Australia.

So, it             would appear the first female camera operator was 
Molly             Brownless – she was at AP on re-opening day in June 
1946 and             was on her camera during the afternoon 
transmission.

I have             attached some photographs of Molly when at AP in 
1946, as             well of some celebrating her 101st birthday.

Here are             Molly’s memories of being at Alexandra Palace:

It was the beginning of April               when we went to Alexandra 
Palace.  From them on we spent               all our time trying to pick 
up whatever we could from               people who were around, who were 
far too frantic to be               doing much about our training.  And 
the girls were looked               at somewhat aghast by those who were 
supposed to be giving               what information they could.  I 
suppose we more or less               gravitated towards the things that 
seemed to interest us               mostly.  Audrey and Joan were happy 
enough on GRAMS,               Isobel hung around Studio B watching 
whatever was going on               in, as well us on the upstairs desk 
to see what she could               pick up there.  Rachel was, as far 
as I remember, from the               beginning in Studio A.

Before we actually reopened               Alexandra Palace, in June 
1946, there were seven girls on               each shift.  First of all, 
when we started off, everyone               was on days, and I didn’t 
really get to know the people               then.  Everyone was working, 
or not working (as the case               may be), hanging around the 
place trying to pick up what               information they could.  I 
knew them by name, and you               obviously got to know them 
properly later on when the               shifts were changed around and 
so forth, but all the time               I was there, there were just 
two shifts and we worked               alternate days and even when one 
arranged a shift-swap,               one didn’t see the person one 
swapped with because, well,               they weren’t there when you 
were there - even though you               could do that arranging.

The thing I seem to remember that               made our life rather 
tedious at times was operating the               switchboard.  It was up 
a little wooden ladder, going out               of Maintenance at the 
back of A RACKS.  I think they put               us up there to get us 
out from under their feet.  This               little switchboard had 
very little capability - just two               lines and Studio A, 
Studio B, RACKS, and I’ve forgotten               who else was on that 
switchboard, but only a few.  If more               than two people 
wanted to be connected at a time, it was               not possible. 
Anyway, we all had to cover it and I seemed               to be on it 
whenever I wasn’t on the camera in the early               days.   We 
also covered CCR at times and writing up the               Log Book with 
timings.  I think I only did GRAMS about two               or three 
times in all the years I was there.  I wasn’t               very good at 
it; I somehow didn’t have the feel for it               that some of the 
girls who came from recording did.  I’d               been used to 
dealing with big pieces of equipment at               Droitwich. 
Somehow, I don’t know, those small pieces of               equipment 
didn’t come easily to me.  I was fascinated by               the cameras 
right from the beginning.

I remember a chap called George               Rose who had been a 
pre-war vision mixer - when it was all               blokes.  He was the 
only one who told any of us anything               about vision mixing, 
as such.  Otherwise, we just picked               it up by watching 
whatever went on.  When more of the               girls came (and I 
can’t remember how long it was after the               service 
reopened), but it was probably getting on for a               year 
afterwards - we had somebody allocated to telecine.                You 
had to clean all those mirrors on the Mechau               projectors - 
thirty-two, if I remember rightly – (but I am               not 
absolutely certain about that).  Occasionally, I               remember 
having to operate the projector in the film unit 
downstairs.  This was where the new telecine was installed 
when it came, which Gordon Waters took over – that was not 
long before I left.  I occasionally did Sound Floor, you 
know, shoving in a microphone either above or below on a 
stand - above or below the camera – but, mostly, I did 
camerawork to begin with and, of course, that was my 
delight.

I started on               cameras right from the first day – the first 
day we put               out a programme which was the day before the 
Victory               Parade, which was a Friday, and it was the 
afternoon               session in Studio B.  I was on Camera 3 (I was 
mostly on               three whichever studio I was in) and so I 
didn’t, at that               time, know very much about Ted Langley who 
was senior               cameraman in Studio A, as Frank Cresswell was 
the senior               camera man in Studio B.  The “iron man” was not 
really               moveable except when your camera was not “on air”. 
You               could move the camera around obviously, but it was 
fairly               heavy to move whilst you were actually on air.  You 
could               push it with one foot as long as you kept your 
balance               with the other one.  But the distance was only a 
matter of               how far your legs would stretch and still keep 
your               balance and keep control.

I was on that “iron man” the day               the service reopened.  I 
didn’t realise (in my naïve way),               that I was actually 
going to do the transmission.  I’d               being doing the 
rehearsal, but I hadn’t sort of twigged               that having done 
the rehearsal, I would necessarily do the               transmission.  I 
thought that all these chaps that were               dashing around 
being very, very, important were going to               take over the 
camera and do it on the transmission and I               was absolutely 
vapped when I found that I was doing it!                The next day it 
was the Outside Broadcast of the Victory               Parade, while I 
was in the studio working on “The               Squadronnaires” 
(featuring Harry Lewis, Dame Vera Lynn’s               husband).  That 
was a great time.

Now,               lining up cameras – that was a daily chore.  Each 
camera               operator took it in turns to line-up their camera, 
starting with camera 1.  I was usually on either camera 3 
or 4, so usually it was after morning tea before I got to 
line up my camera.  We pointed the camera at a chart, and 
it went on from there.  RACKS guided you as to what they 
saw on their screen, and you marked on your glass screen 
exactly where the picture limits were for that particular 
camera.  You went slightly beyond this limit, so you could 
see the boom microphone coming in from the top or 
something coming in from the sides before it got in shot. 
We also had to watch out for getting a beam from one of 
the studio lights light in picture - it used to kill the 
camera.  There used to be a burning smell and the camera 
had to have a new tube.

We used to see a               direct picture in the viewfinder.  The 
camera had two               lenses, a lens which went straight to the 
camera and a               lens to the side of it which gave the camera 
operator the               same picture but, being a lens, it inverted 
it – it was               upside down and back to front.  You quickly 
learned to               look at the picture and quickly balance it and 
go with the               movement in the opposite direction to where 
you would               expect to be going looking at the picture! 
There was               something else we had to worry about too and 
that was the               power lags on the two lenses.  The one that 
went through               to the camera was dead straight on, but the 
one on the               side, of course, to keep on the same picture, 
had to come               at a slight angle from the other one so your 
picture               composition might not be exactly the same as the 
main               camera.  So, you had to do a little bit of adjustment 
on               that one too.

At the               end of transmission, we had to wheel our cameras to 
the               side of the studio and coil up the cables so that the 
floor of the studio was left clear, ready to build the 
sets for the next day’s programme.  It was a matter of 
honour that you didn’t leave the place looking a mess. 
Ted Langley and Ben Blooman were very keen on this, so we 
had to watch ourselves and make sure everything was just 
so.

Now it               was after Bimbi Harris came and I’d being doing 
camerawork               for quite some time, and she wanted to do that 
- I’m not               surprised, I thoroughly enjoyed it and didn’t 
see why she               wouldn’t want too!  One day a reporter came 
from a               television magazine and found out about there being 
a               “cameraman” who was female or maybe he found out about 
two, I’m not quite sure.  Henry Whiting told me that they 
wanted to do a publicity picture of me on a camera and I 
was rather tickled at the idea, as you can imagine.  I was 
actually in Studio A the day the reporter arrived – 
working on a show.  At the end of the programme, I tried 
to find this photographer only to discover that Bimbi had 
already been photographed on Camera 2, which was the               Crab! 
I can understand why he would have taken her               because she 
would certainly have taken a better picture               than I would 
have done.  But, because she was photographed               on a 
tracking camera and because she wasn’t the first               female 
operator, the blokes were a bit peeved.  Bimbi               hadn’t been 
at the Palace very long and I had been there               for a few 
years at that point, they didn’t think she               should have 
appeared on the tracking camera which, of               course, is not 
one she would have operated, and they               thought it should 
have been me.

Now the               next thing that happened which was why I and Bimbi 
came               off cameras  was due to the fact that the camera men 
wanted to get themselves a higher grade and they were 
trying to upgrade their pay in relation to the other 
operators around – it was a very specialised job!  All the 
cameramen, as far as I know, including me, belonged to the 
Association of Senior Technicians, and they were expecting 
this Association to back their claim.  The Association 
didn’t like me being one of the camera crew because if I 
could do it then, obviously, it wasn’t such a very skilled 
job after all.  Henry, to avoid any splitting up of the 
blokes in the studio I presume, told me that I wouldn’t be 
able to do camerawork anymore.

I think everybody was a TA1 when               went to Alexandra Palace, 
but I can’t remember it being               stated as a requisite. 
However, when we had been there               some time a lot of chaps 
came out of the Forces, they had               not necessarily been in 
the BBC before the War.  The BBC               insisted those who were 
TA1’s would be B Grade.  Up until               that time, the 
difference between operators and engineers               had been an 
exam to get the status of B Grade, but they               shifted it up 
a peg to C, so the exam was between D Grade               and C, and 
that was the start of what became qualified               “Engineers” as 
opposed to us “Operators”.  We were all               still in the 
Engineering Division, but on different               grades.  It meant 
an increase in salary, but not, if I               remember correctly 
very much, and certainly not backdated               so it wasn’t quite 
so startling.

I remember that somebody on the               other shift was actually 
working quite hard to take the               exam.  Bertie Baker, stated 
quite categorically that no               female, even if they passed 
the exam, would be given a C               Grade job, so we could pass 
the exam if we wanted too but               we would still be B Grade. 
And so, somewhat to my relief               and certainly to the disgust 
of a number of people, who               felt they should have had the 
same opportunity as the rest               did, simmer down. I stayed on 
B Grade until I left.                 Well, as you can imagine, I was 
pretty peeved about               that, not just peeved, I was downright 
sick about the               whole thing.  I don’t know who told Bimbi, 
it might have               been Henry – but, like me, she just wasn’t 
rostered on               cameras again.  Anyway, that was my end of 
women operating               cameras.  Henry decided that because I had 
been so               disappointed about coming off cameras - he thought 
well,               okay she can do some vision mixing and I went 
virtually               from the floor on cameras to vision mixing most 
of the               time.

When I got round to Vision Mixing               we weren’t able to cut, 
we were only able to fade up and               fade out.  A mix was 
achieved by bringing the fader up               onto the first stop, 
waiting, and then turning it full up               whenever we wanted 
it.  Because of the delay on the               picture coming up, we 
couldn’t just bring one in and take               one out as quickly as 
that without a bit of wind-up to               begin with!  They were 
beautiful knobs, you know, you               grasped them, and they 
filled your hand – you knew you’d               got hold of them. 
Underneath each fader was a little               pushbutton which queued 
up the next picture that RACKS was               supposed to put on the 
preview channel for us in the               Gallery.  In those days 
there were only two screens in the               studio galleries - one 
was the transmitted picture and the               one that RACKS put up 
on preview whichever that happened               to be.  When you had a 
quick sequence, you had to yell               down to RACKS to be able 
to bring the preview channel up               quickly for you, 
otherwise, you’d be fading up channels               without actually 
having seen them first!

For gardening programmes when we used to             run a cable from 
Studio A, out over the balcony, down the             front of the 
building and through a channel underneath the             road to the 
garden on the other side of the road where Fred             Streeter 
would do his programme.  We were always wondering             if there 
was something he was going to hold that would have             to be 
bought back in the studio.  This was always left until             the 
last minute, someone would start taking it back, only to 
find it was needed back with Fred, and they had to bring it 
back quickly.  I didn’t do the camera work on the gardening 
programmes, but I did a lot of cable hauling.  On those days 
they used to stop the buses using anywhere in the park.  We 
had to have our badges to get through Alexandra Park and 
everybody else was kept out except for the buses - but the 
buses weren’t allowed to stop on their way through.

I               remember we were bored a lot of the time, but somehow or 
other the whole thing seemed to be absolutely joyous.  We 
were all enthusiastic, we were all keen on doing the thing 
we were doing – we didn’t care what we did particularly, 
as long as we were involved, and involved we certainly got 
ourselves!

The “Dive” used to be absolutely             beautiful in Spring when 
all the cherry blossom trees were             in bloom.  With hindsight 
it was really and truly rather a             dive!  It’s just that it 
was there, it was convenient and             you could go over there 
just before the evening transmission             and, ahh well . . . . 
it was a place to relax!

I hope             the above has been of interest.

Many             thanks

Simon



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From: Alec Bray               <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> 
<mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
                Date: Wednesday, 7 July 2021 at 10:00
                To: Simon Vaughan 
<simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com> <mailto:simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com>
                Cc: APTS Archivist <apts at apts.org.uk> 
<mailto:apts at apts.org.uk> , Tech               Ops 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
                Subject: Re: [Tech1] Help in identifying a 
photograph - poss another female camerawoman?




Hi Simon,
Thank you very much for the photos of the Emitron Cameras! 
Thanks, too, for the explanation of the horizontal "bar". As I 
mentioned, I had not seen any photos of the original Emitrons 
with lens hoods - that front-on view is an interesting photo 
in its own right.  And I certainly did not release how many 
different "design iterations" there were for those early 
Emitrons  and I can see why you thought that she might be 
operating the camera!!
I have had another go at photo-manipulation.  The vertical 
cable seems to come from the bottom of the camera (viewfinder) 
and not from the lady's hand.
<image001.png>

The lady is wearing a bangle or a bangle which incorporates a 
wristwatch - it is clearer in some manipulations as to how the 
light is reflected.
<image002.png>

<image003.png>


Do we see the face of the watch in the photo where the lady           is 
barely seen?
<image004.png>


Anyway, it seems that the lady in question is doing 
"something" with something near to or attached to the camera: 
it seems to be a smallish knob.or cylindrical object, perhaps 
mounted on a rectangular plinth sticking out from the side of 
the camera - tricky to see in the shadows.

<image005.png>


I hope that this is of interest!  I have reached the limit of 
what I can do to separate out the grey scale at this area.
A very intriguing picture, Simon - and with your photos of 
original Emitrons in various configurations you may be able to 
say what the lady is doing!         --          ======= 
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