From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Fri May 3 12:31:54 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 18:31:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Vision Mixer Message-ID: Does anyone remember Gladys Davies - vision mixer on many TVT shows. More info as to why I'm asking, if you come back to me. Pat H -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri May 3 12:50:03 2024 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 18:50:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Vision Mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401C566B-3642-4AB6-9200-73AAB9C0AB66@icloud.com> I?ll try again, not sure why the original reply came from my wife?s account! Wasn?t she the one who always brought her knitting? > On 3 May 2024, at 18:31, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: > > Does anyone remember Gladys Davies - vision mixer on many TVT shows. > More info as to why I'm asking, if you come back to me. > Pat H > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? Graeme Wall From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Fri May 3 13:11:06 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 19:11:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Vision Mixer modelling display In-Reply-To: <401C566B-3642-4AB6-9200-73AAB9C0AB66@icloud.com> References: <401C566B-3642-4AB6-9200-73AAB9C0AB66@icloud.com> Message-ID: OK, here's the story... Gladys was very supportive of? the Patagonian woollen industry (maybe that's the knitting link!) She organised a fund raiser - a clothes modelling evening staged in the ballroom of the Park Lane Hilton. Some of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels strutted the outfits ( I think they may have been allowed to keep the ones they wore). For cabaret, there was Leslie Crowther, and a splendid Dutch guitarist - Wout Steenhuist. I was involved to provide some music for the catwalk dollies. Again, Gladys had drawn on the B & W crew! A good evening! Pat H On 03/05/2024 18:50, Graeme Wall wrote: > I?ll try again, not sure why the original reply came from my wife?s account! > > Wasn?t she the one who always brought her knitting? > >> On 3 May 2024, at 18:31, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Does anyone remember Gladys Davies - vision mixer on many TVT shows. >> More info as to why I'm asking, if you come back to me. >> Pat H >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > ? > Graeme Wall > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPad > On 3 May 2024, at 18:50, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > I?ll try again, not sure why the original reply came from my wife?s account! > > Wasn?t she the one who always brought her knitting? > >> On 3 May 2024, at 18:31, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Does anyone remember Gladys Davies - vision mixer on many TVT shows. >> More info as to why I'm asking, if you come back to me. >> Pat H >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.neill at icloud.com Fri May 3 14:27:29 2024 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 20:27:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Gladys Message-ID: She used to put her tobacco in the Sound apparatus room on top of the valve amplifiers to dry. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > >> On 3 May 2024, at 18:31, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Does anyone remember Gladys Davies - vision mixer on many TVT shows. >> More info as to why I'm asking, if you come back to me. >> Pat H >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ware.nick at aol.com Fri May 3 16:38:44 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 22:38:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Vision Mixer References: <14ACF8F5-8DCE-4574-9EE4-86BAB6C13D23@aol.com> Message-ID: <370E1F4C-711A-4675-8BAE-F846B6A592B5@aol.com> ?How did you manage to get that to work? Everything my wife does comes to my account. > Was Gladys the one with the tortoise, or was Denise Daveluy? We had one too, but it ran away. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 3 May 2024, at 18:51, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I?ll try again, not sure why the original reply came from my wife?s account! From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Fri May 3 17:35:18 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 23:35:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] They can't stand silence Message-ID: <8a3741d3-82cf-4c8e-8ec8-5d06dfc8c2c8@gmail.com> Here's another moan... Enjoying the snooker, but why do the commentators seem to be afflicted with verbal diarrhoea. Wittering on, and on.... There used to be a red button version that gave the FX only, without commentary.. Were this available now! OK, here's the story... Gladys was very supportive of? the Patagonian woollen industry (maybe that's the knitting link!) She organised a fund raiser - a clothes modelling evening staged in the ballroom of the Park Lane Hilton. Some of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels strutted the outfits ( I think they may have been allowed to keep the ones they wore). For cabaret, there was Leslie Crowther, and a splendid Dutch guitarist - Wout Steenhuist. I was involved to provide some music for the catwalk dollies. Again, Gladys had drawn on the B & W crew! A good evening! Pat H -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Fri May 3 17:47:24 2024 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 23:47:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] They can't stand silence In-Reply-To: <8a3741d3-82cf-4c8e-8ec8-5d06dfc8c2c8@gmail.com> References: <8a3741d3-82cf-4c8e-8ec8-5d06dfc8c2c8@gmail.com> Message-ID: My dad in black and white days used to watch the football with the sound turned off. Still an option on modern tvs unless you miss the sound of balls clacking together?ooo er missus! Sent from my iPad > On 3 May 2024, at 23:36, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Here's another moan... > > Enjoying the snooker, but why do the commentators seem to be afflicted with verbal > diarrhoea. Wittering on, and on.... > > There used to be a red button version that gave the FX only, without commentary.. > > Were this available now! > > OK, here's the story... > > Gladys was very supportive of the Patagonian woollen industry (maybe that's the knitting link!) > > She organised a fund raiser - a clothes modelling evening staged in the ballroom of the Park Lane Hilton. > Some of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels strutted the outfits ( I think they may have been > allowed to keep the ones they wore). > For cabaret, there was Leslie Crowther, and a splendid Dutch guitarist - Wout Steenhuist. > I was involved to provide some music for the catwalk dollies. Again, Gladys had drawn > on the B & W crew! > > A good evening! > > Pat H > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ware.nick at aol.com Sun May 5 13:21:09 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 19:21:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? References: <9D8591A8-3009-4C00-AD53-5C96CB0F6E50.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <9D8591A8-3009-4C00-AD53-5C96CB0F6E50@aol.com> Whenever I look at this fence between our back garden and next door, I see square concrete blocks with a diamond shape inner, but look close, and what else do you see? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Sun May 5 16:39:12 2024 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 22:39:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see ? Angels in the Architecture? ?.Paul Simon Sent from my iPad > On 5 May 2024, at 20:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I see circles? > >> On 5 May 2024, at 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Whenever I look at this fence between our back garden and next door, I see square concrete blocks with a diamond shape inner, but look close, and what else do you see? >> >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Sun May 5 16:46:21 2024 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 22:46:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ? You can call me Al???but my name is Barry so don?t call me Betty! ..even at weekends. Sent from my iPad > On 5 May 2024, at 22:39, B Wilkinson wrote: > > ?I see ? Angels in the Architecture? ?.Paul Simon > Sent from my iPad > >> On 5 May 2024, at 20:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I see circles? >> >>>> On 5 May 2024, at 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Whenever I look at this fence between our back garden and next door, I see square concrete blocks with a diamond shape inner, but look close, and what else do you see? >>> >>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad-- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ware.nick at aol.com Mon May 6 02:06:23 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 08:06:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2696E0AC-7464-4793-A4A2-439F132C8344@aol.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon May 6 03:38:19 2024 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 09:38:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: <2696E0AC-7464-4793-A4A2-439F132C8344@aol.com> References: <2696E0AC-7464-4793-A4A2-439F132C8344@aol.com> Message-ID: Happy Birthday! > On 6 May 2024, at 08:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > That?s right, but there was a reason for asking. You?d be surprised how many people tell me they can?t see the circles. Once you have, you can?t not see them. And, intriguing to my strange mind, is that if you lift out a block, there are eight ways you can replace it and the circle will always be there. > I?m 82 today - good grief, how did that happen?! > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 5 May 2024, at 21:58, Dudley Darby wrote: >> >> ?Circles >> >> On Sun, 5 May 2024, 19:22 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: >> Whenever I look at this fence between our back garden and next door, I see square concrete blocks with a diamond shape inner, but look close, and what else do you see? >> >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? Graeme Wall From david.jasma at sky.com Mon May 6 04:28:22 2024 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 10:28:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: References: <2696E0AC-7464-4793-A4A2-439F132C8344@aol.com> Message-ID: Nick, Circles and arcs. Birthdays - join the clan! I turned 82 in March, and I don't like it. Like you, I think, where's the time gone! Have fun. Dave Buckley From mibridge at mac.com Mon May 6 11:10:51 2024 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 17:10:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <153D59DF-2F8C-4D52-8759-8322A55585A0@mac.com> After he had suggested that his philosophy for life was to live for the day and never mind all the tomorrows, I remarked to our grandson recently - the closer you get to the end, the further away you hope it will be! Mike G > On 6 May 2024, at 10:29, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Nick, > > Circles and arcs. > > Birthdays - join the clan! I turned 82 in March, and I don't like it. Like you, I think, where's the time gone! > > Have fun. > > Dave Buckley > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Mon May 6 11:13:26 2024 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 17:13:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: <153D59DF-2F8C-4D52-8759-8322A55585A0@mac.com> References: <153D59DF-2F8C-4D52-8759-8322A55585A0@mac.com> Message-ID: Oh yes - circles, squares and crosses, plus a shape that might be described as star-shaped. Mike G > On 6 May 2024, at 17:10, Mike Giles wrote: > > ?After he had suggested that his philosophy for life was to live for the day and never mind all the tomorrows, I remarked to our grandson recently - the closer you get to the end, the further away you hope it will be! > > Mike G >> On 6 May 2024, at 10:29, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Nick, >> >> Circles and arcs. >> >> Birthdays - join the clan! I turned 82 in March, and I don't like it. Like you, I think, where's the time gone! >> >> Have fun. >> >> Dave Buckley >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Wed May 8 02:57:09 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 08:57:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision - technical info Message-ID: Hi all, Came across this info this morning. To think there were days past when a human hand mixed feeds from four cameras.... https://www.tvbeurope.com/eurovision-2023/why-eurovision-2024-will-have-a-cinematic-look?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR26IwAZN35eRVO2pDVIOi5ioNLpv0CECA4dsa-kCCFDVcIw061u2kLkgxY_aem_ARv2ygOt0d0dOGM3IsUPHGRVfnABkQgRmYUsVmwzX-eNmRJ3YJ4dhNIspOMOmG8SROOTFEYD9bkov-7gVayN3Fu7#:~:text=In%20terms%20of%20cameras%2C%20the,look%2C'%E2%80%9D%20Aberg%20reveals Best regards, Alec Sent from my mobile phone. 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Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 8 May 2024, at 08:57, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > Came across this info this morning. > > To think there were days past when a human hand mixed feeds from four cameras.... > > > https://www.tvbeurope.com/eurovision-2023/why-eurovision-2024-will-have-a-cinematic-look?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR26IwAZN35eRVO2pDVIOi5ioNLpv0CECA4dsa-kCCFDVcIw061u2kLkgxY_aem_ARv2ygOt0d0dOGM3IsUPHGRVfnABkQgRmYUsVmwzX-eNmRJ3YJ4dhNIspOMOmG8SROOTFEYD9bkov-7gVayN3Fu7#:~:text=In%20terms%20of%20cameras%2C%20the,look%2C'%E2%80%9D%20Aberg%20reveals > > > > Best regards, > Alec > > Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections... > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Being an ex Unit Manager I see a cable that hasn?t been covered or buried properly. Geoff F. > On 5 May 2024, at 22:46, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: > > ? You can call me Al???but my name is Barry so don?t call me Betty! ..even at weekends. > Sent from my iPad > >> On 5 May 2024, at 22:39, B Wilkinson wrote: >> >> ?I see ? Angels in the Architecture? ?.Paul Simon >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 5 May 2024, at 20:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I see circles? >>> >>>>> On 5 May 2024, at 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Whenever I look at this fence between our back garden and next door, I see square concrete blocks with a diamond shape inner, but look close, and what else do you see? >>>> >>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad-- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed May 8 03:58:54 2024 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 09:58:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: <2696E0AC-7464-4793-A4A2-439F132C8344@aol.com> References: <2696E0AC-7464-4793-A4A2-439F132C8344@aol.com> Message-ID: Hsappy Birthday Nick! Join the club. I?m 83 next month. Hard to believe we are now in our eighties isn?t it? Still, its a whole lot better than the alternative eh? Geoff F > On 6 May 2024, at 08:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > That?s right, but there was a reason for asking. You?d be surprised how many people tell me they can?t see the circles. Once you have, you can?t not see them. And, intriguing to my strange mind, is that if you lift out a block, there are eight ways you can replace it and the circle will always be there. > I?m 82 today - good grief, how did that happen?! > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 5 May 2024, at 21:58, Dudley Darby wrote: >> >> ? >> Circles >> >> On Sun, 5 May 2024, 19:22 Nick Ware via Tech1, > wrote: >> Whenever I look at this fence between our back garden and next door, I see square concrete blocks with a diamond shape inner, but look close, and what else do you see? >> >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 08/05/2024 08:57, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > Came across this info this?morning. > > To think there were days past when a human hand mixed feeds from four > cameras.... > > Best regards, > Alec > > From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Wed May 8 04:47:19 2024 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 10:47:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision - technical info In-Reply-To: <1be49cbb-5dac-43dd-ab08-6a70d3be678c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86urv2bm7hnvuo3lbq5j2aa9.1715161639561@pgtmedia.co.uk> It's all timed to the music, so it's the talent that are not in time..... Paul Thackray ? PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk ? Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 8 May 2024 10:45 To: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: patrick.heigham at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eurovision - technical info Well, watching and enjoying the snooker, I did wonder, as some of the cuts were badly timed, whether it was a Director self-drive on the desk? On 08/05/2024 08:57, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > Came across this info this?morning. > > To think there were days past when a human hand mixed feeds from four > cameras.... > > Best regards, > Alec > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ware.nick at aol.com Wed May 8 07:50:25 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 14:50:25 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] What do you see? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah yes, well spotted! But relax, it?s a hosepipe! Part of an elaborate automatic watering system installed by the previous owner. Cheers, N. (Now in Menorca for a few days) Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 8 May 2024, at 10:53, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > > ?Being an ex Unit Manager I see a cable that hasn?t been covered or buried properly. > Geoff F. > >> On 5 May 2024, at 22:46, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? You can call me Al???but my name is Barry so don?t call me Betty! ..even at weekends. >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On 5 May 2024, at 22:39, B Wilkinson wrote: >>> >>> ?I see ? Angels in the Architecture? ?.Paul Simon >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 5 May 2024, at 20:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I see circles? >>>> >>>>>> On 5 May 2024, at 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Whenever I look at this fence between our back garden and next door, I see square concrete blocks with a diamond shape inner, but look close, and what else do you see? >>>>> >>>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad-- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Thu May 9 04:57:12 2024 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 10:57:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Vision Mixer modelling display In-Reply-To: References: <401C566B-3642-4AB6-9200-73AAB9C0AB66@icloud.com> Message-ID: <555de291.41e.18f5cc9130c.Webtop.96@btinternet.com> Yes, if I remember correctly it was not just knitting that Gladys spread over the VM desk - on occasion it was large sheets of paper on which she was working out fabric patterns for the Welsh Patagonian wool industry. When a cut was required, she lifted the corner of the paper and pushed the button. This was only when camera blocking on the Saturday rehearsal day, of course. ------ Original Message ------ From: "PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Friday, 3 May, 24 At 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vision Mixer modelling display OK, here's the story... Gladys was very supportive of the Patagonian woollen industry (maybe that's the knitting link!) She organised a fund raiser - a clothes modelling evening staged in the ballroom of the Park Lane Hilton. Some of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels strutted the outfits ( I think they may have been allowed to keep the ones they wore). For cabaret, there was Leslie Crowther, and a splendid Dutch guitarist - Wout Steenhuist. I was involved to provide some music for the catwalk dollies. Again, Gladys had drawn on the B & W crew! A good evening! Pat H On 03/05/2024 18:50, Graeme Wall wrote: I?ll try again, not sure why the original reply came from my wife?s account!Wasn?t she the one who always brought her knitting? On 3 May 2024, at 18:31, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote:Does anyone remember Gladys Davies - vision mixer on many TVT shows.More info as to why I'm asking, if you come back to me.Pat H-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? Graeme Wall -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This was only when camera blocking on the > Saturday rehearsal day, of course. > > ------ Original Message ------ From: "PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1" > To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" > Sent: Friday, 3 May, 24 At 7:11 PM Subject: > Re: [Tech1] Vision Mixer modelling display > > OK, here's the story... > > Gladys was very supportive of the Patagonian woollen industry > (maybe that's the knitting link!) > > She organised a fund raiser - a clothes modelling evening staged > in the ballroom of the Park Lane Hilton. Some of the TV Toppers > from the B & W Minstrels strutted the outfits ( I think they may > have been allowed to keep the ones they wore). For cabaret, there > was Leslie Crowther, and a splendid Dutch guitarist - Wout > Steenhuist. I was involved to provide some music for the catwalk > dollies. Again, Gladys had drawn on the B & W crew! > > A good evening! > > Pat H > > On 03/05/2024 18:50, Graeme Wall wrote: > > I?ll try again, not sure why the original reply came from my wife?s account! > > Wasn?t she the one who always brought her knitting? > > On 3 May 2024, at 18:31, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: > > Does anyone remember Gladys Davies - vision mixer on many TVT shows. > More info as to why I'm asking, if you come back to me. > Pat H > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu May 9 06:06:08 2024 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 12:06:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Vision Mixer modelling display In-Reply-To: <39f3ea08-e99f-4daf-9975-121262e5c8f1@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <401C566B-3642-4AB6-9200-73AAB9C0AB66@icloud.com> <555de291.41e.18f5cc9130c.Webtop.96@btinternet.com> <39f3ea08-e99f-4daf-9975-121262e5c8f1@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: Dickie Pigg, used to be the regular on TOTP with Johnnie Stewart > On 9 May 2024, at 10:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > Was it Richard somebody who mixed grandstand while reading the newspaper - just to piss off a certain director? And naturally, never missed a cut. > > Chris Woolf > > On 09/05/2024 10:57, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: >> Yes, if I remember correctly it was not just knitting that Gladys spread over the VM desk - on occasion it was large sheets of paper on which she was working out fabric patterns for the Welsh Patagonian wool industry. When a cut was required, she lifted the corner of the paper and pushed the button. This was only when camera blocking on the Saturday rehearsal day, of course. >> >> ------ Original Message ------ From: "PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Friday, 3 May, 24 At 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vision Mixer modelling display >> OK, here's the story... >> Gladys was very supportive of the Patagonian woollen industry (maybe that's the knitting link!) >> She organised a fund raiser - a clothes modelling evening staged in the ballroom of the Park Lane Hilton. Some of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels strutted the outfits ( I think they may have been allowed to keep the ones they wore). For cabaret, there was Leslie Crowther, and a splendid Dutch guitarist - Wout Steenhuist. I was involved to provide some music for the catwalk dollies. Again, Gladys had drawn on the B & W crew! >> A good evening! >> Pat H >> On 03/05/2024 18:50, Graeme Wall wrote: >> I?ll try again, not sure why the original reply came from my wife?s account! >> >> Wasn?t she the one who always brought her knitting? >> >> >> On 3 May 2024, at 18:31, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Does anyone remember Gladys Davies - vision mixer on many TVT shows. >> More info as to why I'm asking, if you come back to me. >> Pat H >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? Graeme Wall From ware.nick at aol.com Thu May 9 12:00:23 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 19:00:23 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Nationwide References: Message-ID: <8513A44E-6778-486F-B465-27D8D78C44C5@aol.com> Not sure where I got this from (attached mp3), it might even have been from here? More likely it?s from one of the last analogue tapes that I no longer have. But here?s a nostalgic little memory of a place we all knew, but is no more, a programme that is no more, and possibly a voice that is no more. All I know is that we used to play this out to the regions on a daily basis for a good few years. I find that I often remember the sound of people?s voices from the distant past better than I do their faces. I have an idea that this might have been Richard Partridge. What does the team think? (assuming that iOS is capable of attaching an audio file). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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More likely it?s from one of the last analogue tapes that I no longer have. > But here?s a nostalgic little memory of a place we all knew, but is no more, a programme that is no more, and possibly a voice that is no more. All I know is that we used to play this out to the regions on a daily basis for a good few years. > I find that I often remember the sound of people?s voices from the distant past better than I do their faces. I have an idea that this might have been Richard Partridge. What does the team think? (assuming that iOS is capable of attaching an audio file). > > > > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From hughsnape at talktalk.net Thu May 9 12:47:56 2024 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 18:47:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Nationwide In-Reply-To: <5c72de52-9691-49bf-b936-da589ab70927@gmail.com> References: <5c72de52-9691-49bf-b936-da589ab70927@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D433D37-0E0F-4660-B682-60865377D06F@talktalk.net> Made a few TB idents like that myself when at Westcountry. NB, my voice is less posh and looping was with SpotOn . . . Hugh Snape. > On 9 May 2024, at 18:18, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I remember another with a 'posh' voice being on them - Richard Jeffs? At the time a bunch of modified car '8-track' players, as they used a continuous loop. > >> On 09/05/2024 18:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Not sure where I got this from (attached mp3), it might even have been from here? More likely it?s from one of the last analogue tapes that I no longer have. >> But here?s a nostalgic little memory of a place we all knew, but is no more, a programme that is no more, and possibly a voice that is no more. All I know is that we used to play this out to the regions on a daily basis for a good few years. >> I find that I often remember the sound of people?s voices from the distant past better than I do their faces. I have an idea that this might have been Richard Partridge. What does the team think? (assuming that iOS is capable of attaching an audio file). >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > -- > Dave Plowman > London, SW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Thu May 9 19:01:09 2024 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 01:01:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Nationwide In-Reply-To: <5c72de52-9691-49bf-b936-da589ab70927@gmail.com> References: <8513A44E-6778-486F-B465-27D8D78C44C5@aol.com> <5c72de52-9691-49bf-b936-da589ab70927@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, I thought Richard Jeffs, certainly not RKP. Oh it's all there! the tape hiss,distortion, print-through (pre-echo), wow & flutter despite using lubricated tape (so-called) they were terrible machines. Then along came cassettes, can't even spell them! and we started all over again, at 1.875 Inches per second, there were even machines that ran at 15/16ips! I came across a reel of Zonal 1/4 inch that over a length of a foot or two went down to bootlace width and back up again, a sort of enforced down and up! Happy days! Regards, Hibou. > On 9 May 2024, at 18:18, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > I remember another with a 'posh' voice being on them - Richard Jeffs? At the time a bunch of modified car '8-track' players, as they used a continuous loop. > >> On 09/05/2024 18:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Not sure where I got this from (attached mp3), it might even have been from here? More likely it?s from one of the last analogue tapes that I no longer have. >> But here?s a nostalgic little memory of a place we all knew, but is no more, a programme that is no more, and possibly a voice that is no more All I know is that we used to play this out to the regions on a daily basis for a good few years. >> I find that I often remember the sound of people?s voices from the distant past better than I do their faces. I have an idea that this might have been Richard Partridge. What does the team think? (assuming that iOS is capable of attaching an audio file). >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > -- > Dave Plowman > London, SW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri May 10 03:03:24 2024 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net) Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 09:03:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Nationwide In-Reply-To: References: <8513A44E-6778-486F-B465-27D8D78C44C5@aol.com> <5c72de52-9691-49bf-b936-da589ab70927@gmail.com> Message-ID: The talk of 'posh' voices reminds me of Dave Kitchen who was an excellent exponent except when a little lubrication generated somewhat of a lapse into his native Yorkshire. Dave Newbitt. On 10/05/2024 01:01, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, I thought Richard Jeffs, certainly not RKP. > Oh it's all there! the tape hiss,distortion, print-through (pre-echo), > wow & flutter despite using lubricated tape (so-called) they were > terrible machines. Then along came cassettes, can't even spell them! > and we started all over again, at 1.875 Inches per second, there were > even machines that ran at 15/16ips! > I came across a reel of Zonal 1/4 inch that over a length of a foot or > two went down to bootlace width and back up again, a sort of enforced > down and up! Happy days! > > Regards, > Hibou. > > >> On 9 May 2024, at 18:18, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> I remember another with a 'posh' voice being on them - Richard Jeffs? >> At the time a bunch of modified car '8-track' players, as they used a >> continuous loop. >> >>> On 09/05/2024 18:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> Not sure where I got this from (attached mp3), it might even have >>> been from here? More likely it?s from one of the last analogue tapes >>> that I no longer have. >>> But here?s a nostalgic little memory of a place we all knew, but is >>> no more, a programme that is no more, and possibly a voice that is no >>> more All I know is that we used to play this out to the regions on a >>> daily basis for a good few years. >>> I find that I often remember the sound of people?s voices from the >>> distant past better than I do their faces. I have an idea that this >>> might have been Richard Partridge. What does the team think? >>> (assuming that iOS is capable of attaching an audio file). >>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman >> London, SW >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Fri May 10 04:01:18 2024 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 10:01:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Nationwide In-Reply-To: References: <8513A44E-6778-486F-B465-27D8D78C44C5@aol.com> <5c72de52-9691-49bf-b936-da589ab70927@gmail.com> Message-ID: <096e92a5-147d-43c1-bc84-163ed6f19e11@gmail.com> Would you believe I still have a working car 8 track player/recorder? It's part of an Akai reel to reel. Still gets occasional use making tapes for the hard core classic car brigade. It only gives its best with decent tape. Not a surprise given the low speed and track width. And I've no doubt the very cheapest was used for those ident tapes - same as the studio 1/4" machines. Good for tying up the roses, but little else. In the day, BASF made the very best I could find. I do remember seeing a late one made by Woolensack. Used v.expensive chrome tape and Dolby A. And sounded really pretty good, considering. On 10/05/2024 01:01, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, I thought Richard Jeffs, certainly not RKP. > Oh it's all there! the tape hiss,distortion, print-through (pre-echo), wow & flutter despite using lubricated tape (so-called) they were terrible machines. Then along came cassettes, can't even spell them! and we started all over again, at 1.875 Inches per second, there were even machines that ran at 15/16ips! > I came across a reel of Zonal 1/4 inch that over a length of a foot or two went down to bootlace width and back up again, a sort of enforced down and up! Happy days! > > Regards, > Hibou. > > >> On 9 May 2024, at 18:18, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I remember another with a 'posh' voice being on them - Richard Jeffs? At the time a bunch of modified car '8-track' players, as they used a continuous loop. >> >>> On 09/05/2024 18:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> Not sure where I got this from (attached mp3), it might even have been from here? More likely it?s from one of the last analogue tapes that I no longer have. >>> But here?s a nostalgic little memory of a place we all knew, but is no more, a programme that is no more, and possibly a voice that is no more All I know is that we used to play this out to the regions on a daily basis for a good few years. >>> I find that I often remember the sound of people?s voices from the distant past better than I do their faces. I have an idea that this might have been Richard Partridge. What does the team think? (assuming that iOS is capable of attaching an audio file). >>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> -- >> Dave Plowman >> London, SW >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sun May 12 07:26:26 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 13:26:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 Message-ID: <9b0d646e-8649-4505-9a65-541ebb0ddb4d@gmail.com> Hi all, The recap of the winning song (Switzerland) at Eurovision 2024 was not a restaging of the main performance: Nemo just pranced around the stage - and finally we got to see cameras and cranes in shot!? This year's performance was remarkable for NOT having any camera (obviously) in shot during the fast-paced cutting, but the recap seemed to be a bit ad-hoc.? 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Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1086200 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon May 13 05:24:07 2024 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:24:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 In-Reply-To: <00605993-BDDE-41C6-8815-B881746F602B@aol.com> References: <00605993-BDDE-41C6-8815-B881746F602B@aol.com> Message-ID: <00dd01daa51f$b06db540$11491fc0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> You might find this of interest https://www.solo16.co.uk/post/eurovision-2024-behind-the-scenes (Especially the VM section) As has been said by others, too many shots and excessive cutting! Automated is not always better. Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 13 May 2024 10:33 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 We switched off after about the first 10 mins. Leaving political and humanitarian issues out of it, way too much techno wizardry, needless camera moves, fast cutting etc. They seem to have forgotten that it?s about the music and performers, and when you did get to see singers close enough, their faces were obliterated by vocal mics. Whether it was mimed or live vocals who cares? Lip sync nowadays is so random that you can?t tell anyway. Speaking of which, the utterly stupid Dr Who that preceded it didn?t help my grump level, which by the time Eurovision started, was peaking at PPM 7. Somehow, sitting as I am here, TV couldn?t matter less! Nick Ware - sent from my iPad On 13 May 2024, at 10:45, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 > wrote: ? Well, I'm glad I missed it. Although I do regret not having the Katie Boyle 'nul points' routine! Pat H On 12/05/2024 13:26, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all, The recap of the winning song (Switzerland) at Eurovision 2024 was not a restaging of the main performance: Nemo just pranced around the stage - and finally we got to see cameras and cranes in shot! This year's performance was remarkable for NOT having any camera (obviously) in shot during the fast-paced cutting, but the recap seemed to be a bit ad-hoc. Here are some screen captures (from YouTube and iPlayer) with the two main techno cranes (at least) in shot: This last one adjusted a little to make the cranes clearer...) Personally I did not notice any difference with the transmission being in 25p... Best regards, Alec -- ===================================== Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com MOD: 07789 561 346 TEL: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Mon May 13 05:29:19 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:29:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 In-Reply-To: <00605993-BDDE-41C6-8815-B881746F602B@aol.com> References: <00605993-BDDE-41C6-8815-B881746F602B@aol.com> Message-ID: It's a shame that a TV show, supposedly for entertainment, becomes a platform for political protests. (OK here's the Song Contest - let's go and rot it up!) Like Nick, I'm disappointed at the need for vocalists to 'eat' the mike. Sports commentators in vision, now have their own handheld radio mic. Who started that one? Both BBC and ITV use this approach. Bah! Pat H On 13/05/2024 10:32, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > We switched off after about the first 10 mins. Leaving political and > humanitarian issues out of it, way too much techno wizardry, needless > camera moves, fast cutting etc. They seem to have forgotten that it?s > about the music and performers, and when you did get to see singers > close enough, their faces were obliterated by vocal mics. Whether it > was mimed or live vocals who cares? Lip sync nowadays is so random > that you can?t tell anyway. > Speaking of which, the utterly stupid Dr Who that preceded it didn?t > help my grump level, which by the time Eurovision started, was peaking > at PPM 7. > Somehow, sitting as I am here, TV couldn?t matter less! > > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardjblencowe at gmail.com Mon May 13 05:35:18 2024 From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe) Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:35:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 In-Reply-To: <00605993-BDDE-41C6-8815-B881746F602B@aol.com> References: <00605993-BDDE-41C6-8815-B881746F602B@aol.com> Message-ID: I Didn't even give the Song Contest 10 minutes! It seems to have become the Eurovision video competition with the song a very minor interest. In the Brass Band competition world judges are hidden away in a tent so they don't know which band is playing. They then judge on the music they hear. As for Dr Who it is time to banish him to Gallifrey for ever!! Dick Blencowe On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 10:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > We switched off after about the first 10 mins. Leaving political and > humanitarian issues out of it, way too much techno wizardry, needless > camera moves, fast cutting etc. They seem to have forgotten that it?s about > the music and performers, and when you did get to see singers close enough, > their faces were obliterated by vocal mics. Whether it was mimed or live > vocals who cares? Lip sync nowadays is so random that you can?t tell > anyway. > Speaking of which, the utterly stupid Dr Who that preceded it didn?t help > my grump level, which by the time Eurovision started, was peaking at PPM 7. > Somehow, sitting as I am here, TV couldn?t matter less! > [image: image0.jpeg] > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > On 13 May 2024, at 10:45, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > Well, I'm glad I missed it. > > Although I do regret not having the Katie Boyle 'nul points' routine! > > Pat H > On 12/05/2024 13:26, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > > The recap of the winning song (Switzerland) at Eurovision 2024 was not a > restaging of the main performance: Nemo just pranced around the stage - and > finally we got to see cameras and cranes in shot! This year's performance > was remarkable for NOT having any camera (obviously) in shot during the > fast-paced cutting, but the recap seemed to be a bit ad-hoc. Here are some > screen captures (from YouTube and iPlayer) with the two main techno cranes > (at least) in shot: > This last one adjusted a little to make the cranes clearer...) > > Personally I did not notice any difference with the transmission being in > 25p... > > Best regards, > > Alec > > -- > ===================================== > > Alec Brayalec.bray.2 at gmail.com > MOD: 07789 561 346 > TEL: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1086200 bytes Desc: not available URL: From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Mon May 13 05:35:37 2024 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:35:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 In-Reply-To: <00dd01daa51f$b06db540$11491fc0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <00605993-BDDE-41C6-8815-B881746F602B@aol.com> <00dd01daa51f$b06db540$11491fc0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: It should be renamed the National Performance Contest, since it long since ceased being about the songs. Given my age, I no longer go to 'discos' and have no wish to see one on TV either. However, don't want to stop those who like it having it - as there is always plenty other choice of what to watch. I did think they could adopt the same principle to the next World Cup footie or whatever. Give the spectators the chance to decide who wins. On 13/05/2024 11:24, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > You might find this of interest > > https://www.solo16.co.uk/post/eurovision-2024-behind-the-scenes > > > (Especially the VM section) As has been said by others, too many shots > and excessive cutting! Automated is not always better. > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > +44 7802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Nick Ware via > Tech1 > *Sent:* 13 May 2024 10:33 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 > > We switched off after about the first 10 mins. Leaving political and > humanitarian issues out of it, way too much techno wizardry, needless > camera moves, fast cutting etc. They seem to have forgotten that it?s > about the music and performers, and when you did get to see singers > close enough, their faces were obliterated by vocal mics. Whether it was > mimed or live vocals who cares? Lip sync nowadays is so random that you > can?t tell anyway. > > Speaking of which, the utterly stupid Dr Who that preceded it didn?t > help my grump level, which by the time Eurovision started, was peaking > at PPM 7. > > Somehow, sitting as I am here, TV couldn?t matter less! > > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > > > On 13 May 2024, at 10:45, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 > > wrote: > > ? > > Well, I'm glad I missed it. > > Although I do regret not having the Katie Boyle 'nul points' routine! > > Pat H > > On 12/05/2024 13:26, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > > The recap of the winning song (Switzerland) at Eurovision 2024 > was not a restaging of the main performance: Nemo just pranced > around the stage - and finally we got to see cameras and cranes > in shot!? This year's performance was remarkable for NOT having > any camera (obviously) in shot during the fast-paced cutting, > but the recap seemed to be a bit ad-hoc.? Here are some screen > captures (from YouTube and iPlayer) with the two main techno > cranes (at least) in shot: > > This last one adjusted a little to make the cranes clearer...) > > Personally I did not notice any difference with the transmission > being in 25p... > > Best regards, > > Alec > > -- > > ===================================== > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > > MOD:? 07789 561 346 > > TEL:? 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Mon May 13 12:30:15 2024 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 18:30:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 Message-ID: <8ae103c2-c524-47f6-b2ff-d564e57fb3d1@gmail.com> It should be renamed the National Performance Contest, since it long since ceased being about the songs. Given my age, I no longer go to 'discos' and have no wish to see one on TV either. However, don't want to stop those who like it having it - as there is always plenty other choice of what to watch. I did think they could adopt the same principle to the next World Cup footie or whatever. Give the spectators the chance to decide who wins. On 13/05/2024 11:24, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > You might find this of interest > > https://www.solo16.co.uk/post/eurovision-2024-behind-the-scenes > > (Especially the VM section) As has been said by others, too many shots and excessive cutting! Automated is not always better. > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > +44 7802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent:* 13 May 2024 10:33 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Eurovision 2024 > > We switched off after about the first 10 mins. Leaving political and humanitarian issues out of it, way too much techno wizardry, needless camera moves, fast cutting etc. They seem to have forgotten that it?s about the music and performers, and when you did get to see singers close enough, their faces were obliterated by vocal mics. Whether it was mimed or live vocals who cares? Lip sync nowadays is so random that you can?t tell anyway. > > Speaking of which, the utterly stupid Dr Who that preceded it didn?t help my grump level, which by the time Eurovision started, was peaking at PPM 7. > > Somehow, sitting as I am here, TV couldn?t matter less! > > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > > > On 13 May 2024, at 10:45, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 > > wrote: > > ? > > Well, I'm glad I missed it. > > Although I do regret not having the Katie Boyle 'nul points' routine! > > Pat H > > On 12/05/2024 13:26, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > > The recap of the winning song (Switzerland) at Eurovision 2024 > was not a restaging of the main performance: Nemo just pranced > around the stage - and finally we got to see cameras and cranes > in shot! This year's performance was remarkable for NOT having > any camera (obviously) in shot during the fast-paced cutting, > but the recap seemed to be a bit ad-hoc. Here are some screen > captures (from YouTube and iPlayer) with the two main techno > cranes (at least) in shot: > > This last one adjusted a little to make the cranes clearer...) > > Personally I did not notice any difference with the transmission > being in 25p... > > Best regards, > > Alec > > -- > ===================================== > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > > MOD: 07789 561 346 > > TEL: 0118 981 7502 > > -- Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- Dave Plowman London, SW