From robsuth at live.com  Fri Mar  1 05:14:21 2024
From: robsuth at live.com (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 11:14:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Lincolnshire tv museum
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB0XwkYDPAVX+nr2ss4iWXt0ubPE9xxgKcCi01ttSLaTVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Recently acquired their own premises in the sergeant?s mess of a former RAF Station. Got lots of kit and seem well organised.

Have a look here https://becg.org.uk/

Cheers

Robin Sutherland

> On 29 Feb 2024, at 20:31, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Interestingly enough, Tony, I have contacted them - they are very concerned to show how things used to be done with the equipment that they maintain .  I have told them about Tech Ops and whether there is some synergy between us.  We might share links in the first instance. 
> Best regards Alec 
> 
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
> 
> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, 20:23 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 27 February 2024 at 21:51, techtone <techtone at protonmail.com <mailto:techtone at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Here's one I've been completely unaware of, but was recently asked if I knew of/had been there? Anyone here been there or know how extensive it's collection is with respect to those early days?
>>> 
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-68369600
>>> 
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> 
>>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar  1 05:27:00 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 11:27:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Lincolnshire tv museum
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So that's where Big Bertha went (Southern TV OB1)

> On 1 Mar 2024, at 11:14, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Recently acquired their own premises in the sergeant?s mess of a former RAF Station. Got lots of kit and seem well organised.
> 
> Have a look here https://becg.org.uk/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Robin Sutherland
> 
>> On 29 Feb 2024, at 20:31, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Interestingly enough, Tony, I have contacted them - they are very concerned to show how things used to be done with the equipment that they maintain .  I have told them about Tech Ops and whether there is some synergy between us.  We might share links in the first instance. 
>> Best regards Alec 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>> 
>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, 20:23 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email. 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 27 February 2024 at 21:51, techtone <techtone at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>> Here's one I've been completely unaware of, but was recently asked if I knew of/had been there? Anyone here been there or know how extensive it's collection is with respect to those early days?
>>> 
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-68369600
>>> 
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> 
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> 
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? 
Graeme Wall




From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Mar  1 05:48:18 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 11:48:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Lincolnshire tv museum
In-Reply-To: <E939F325-C9F7-4DCF-A2B4-EB8776C1D1E0@icloud.com>
References: <E939F325-C9F7-4DCF-A2B4-EB8776C1D1E0@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <BEDAE2BE-826A-4D42-A90D-2D2E40B87C7D@me.com>

Would there be enough interest to have a disorganised awayaday visit to the BECG museum? 

I?ve often wondered about going up there, but it might make much more sense for a group of us to visit simultaneously.  I know that its location isn?t particularly convenient for some, but group members live in many parts of the UK, while disorganised lunches ( as far as I know ) have only happened in London. 

How about saying if -
1) You?re interested and can make your own way there.
2) Could offer a lift to others near you, or on the way.
3) Would like to go, but only if somebody can offer a lift.
4) Can make your way to the nearest station, but would appreciate a lift to and from the museum.

I?m a friend of one of the trustees of the BECG and I have no doubt that he and the rest of the group would be delighted to welcome a group of Tech Ops people.

Alan


> On 1 Mar 2024, at 11:27, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?So that's where Big Bertha went (Southern TV OB1)
> 
>> On 1 Mar 2024, at 11:14, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Recently acquired their own premises in the sergeant?s mess of a former RAF Station. Got lots of kit and seem well organised.
>> 
>> Have a look here https://becg.org.uk/
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Robin Sutherland
>> 
>>>> On 29 Feb 2024, at 20:31, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interestingly enough, Tony, I have contacted them - they are very concerned to show how things used to be done with the equipment that they maintain .  I have told them about Tech Ops and whether there is some synergy between us.  We might share links in the first instance.
>>> Best regards Alec
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, 20:23 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, 27 February 2024 at 21:51, techtone <techtone at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Here's one I've been completely unaware of, but was recently asked if I knew of/had been there? Anyone here been there or know how extensive it's collection is with respect to those early days?
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-68369600
>>>> 
>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>> 
>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>> 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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>> 
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> 
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 06:30:19 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 12:30:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Taking the p**s
Message-ID: <44047c10-401e-4ae4-b73e-b4c6cf692977@gmail.com>

A few years ago, treated myself to a rather pricy LG OLED TV. Pretty 
pleased with it - first time I've had true blacks since CRT days.

It did a software update, and now displays a menu at switch on. Before, 
it went to the channel it was on at switch off. As you'd expect. And 
also takes some time before it will allow you to go back to watching off 
air. No other of 'my' settings were changed by the software update, though.

What really annoys is this startup page includes 'sponsored' 
advertising. To add insult, one was for GB News.

Googling did find a fix for this. Not simple - involved some 6 steps.

Wonder what people would think if they bought a new Rolls to find it 
came plastered with advertising?
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  1 08:05:54 2024
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 14:05:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Taking the p**s
In-Reply-To: <44047c10-401e-4ae4-b73e-b4c6cf692977@gmail.com>
References: <44047c10-401e-4ae4-b73e-b4c6cf692977@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a06e198b-f61f-4780-b85f-522f46fd690e@btinternet.com>

Blessed with a Philips 'smart' TV, all seems well, except with the 
remote. Whereas other receivers accept one-touch selection as intended, 
this one rolls out duplicate signals, so that switching to Channel 4 for 
example offers up '44' or even '444' in a twinkling. But to re-register 
an 'All-in-one' remote instead seems daunting - and might that do the same?

Any thoughts - other than to call in a teenager to switch channels for 
me??? And, 2 times out of 3, selecting a Beeb channel from the menu 
screen leads to iPlayer, not the channel.

Hugh

On 01/03/2024 12:30, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> A few years ago, treated myself to a rather pricy LG OLED TV. Pretty 
> pleased with it - first time I've had true blacks since CRT days.
>
> It did a software update, and now displays a menu at switch on. 
> Before, it went to the channel it was on at switch off. As you'd 
> expect. And also takes some time before it will allow you to go back 
> to watching off air. No other of 'my' settings were changed by the 
> software update, though.
>
> What really annoys is this startup page includes 'sponsored' 
> advertising. To add insult, one was for GB News.
>
> Googling did find a fix for this. Not simple - involved some 6 steps.
>
> Wonder what people would think if they bought a new Rolls to find it 
> came plastered with advertising?
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From sue.malden at outlook.com  Sun Mar  3 05:22:55 2024
From: sue.malden at outlook.com (Sue Malden)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 11:22:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Anna Karenina restored
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References: <70f86c14-3957-4a43-ba3f-6c77542b9192@btinternet.com>
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Hi Hugh
Here is Anne's email anne at hanfordassociates.co.uk

Cheers Sue

Sent from Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 12:02:10 PM
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Anna Karenina restored


Just noticed in time, last night's reprise of Rudy Cartier's 'Anna Karenina' of 1961, intro'd by Claire Bloom - who starred with Sean Connery - was a very rare treat. Especially for me, as Laurie Duley's mole-crane bucket-swinger on the 2 days of recording onto film. Was anyone else who shares these tech-ops email exchanges there in TC3 too, I wonder?

The BBC Promo says:

'Anna Karenina

Claire Bloom is Anna and, in a rare early TV performance, Sir Sean Connery is Vronsky in this 1961 adaptation of Tolstoy?s classic tale of doomed romance. Long thought lost, this feature length version was found in the vaults just a few years ago and hasn?t been shown on the BBC since original transmission.'

>From the tech-ops history site I'm reminded of saying: 'No monitors for the Mole then - in 1961 - so everything down to the tracker (who's name I can't recall) and me putting ourselves in Laurie's shoes - or into his viewfinder'. And what lives on, as if only yesterday, was that on the as-live transmission days, Laurie gave us not one inflexion of the hand that said 'You've not quite put me in the right place'.

As to the version 'found in the vaults'; in the early '80s at Brentford, and with thanks to the Head of Library, Anne Hanford, I'd found the cans of 35mm telerecordings in something of a muddle. Somehow we wangled a transfer to VHS - probably still here in a cupboard somewhere - but it came back out of order and the quality was well, VHS...  So would it have been those same telerecordings that were re-mastered for the high-quality video copy shown yesterday?  And how's it done, with no obvious line-structure?  I think we should be told!

Thanks for that Beeb; still coming up trumps on occasions, even after 30 years of retirement.  It's said to be there on iPlayer, for another 29 days.

Hugh
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Mon Mar  4 03:22:31 2024
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:22:31 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] RTS Event
Message-ID: <000901da6e15$7c135020$7439f060$@soundsuper.co.uk>

This event might be of interest -
<https://rts.org.uk/event/65-years-outside-broadcast-technology> | Royal
Television Society (rts.org.uk)

 

Best

 

Rob

 

 

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Mar  4 06:08:23 2024
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 12:08:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of John and Bill
Message-ID: <D7C5C44E-9D44-4CFF-ABB1-C241AF664BC5@vincent68.plus.com>

My early days on crew 5 (Jim Atkinson) were spent cable bashing. 

One day I was crewed to track the Mole. Rod Taylor was at the front and John Dailley was swinging. John took me under his wing and it all went rather well.

The next couple of years we worked on 3 or 5 day plays nearly every week as the same team.

We could throw the Mole around like a ped. Classic drama with top names. Magic times.

I?d get the odd nod of appreciation from John, Rod, Garth, and Geoff (Clarke). That meant far more to me than the bolllockings I got from Jim. It taught me an early lesson that you could motivate people more if you were kind to them!

Bill Jenkin was one of those wonderfull larger than life characters this industry seems to attract. He always put others first. His Union work for example. Though I'm sure Management would say he was a belligerent pain in the backside!

When I think of John and Bill it brings a smile to my face.

Not a bad legacy to leave.

John V





From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 06:53:40 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 12:53:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of John and Bill
In-Reply-To: <D7C5C44E-9D44-4CFF-ABB1-C241AF664BC5@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <D7C5C44E-9D44-4CFF-ABB1-C241AF664BC5@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <858288a4-d216-4e63-9c06-176431e48639@gmail.com>

Well, I was taught camerawork in 30 mins by Atkinson!

Maybe he wasn't going to reveal some tricks of the trade.
This was a technique I came across in the film industry -
could mean getting the job, or not. (as a freelance)

Received a bollocking from Jim (quite deservedly so):
TC2, I was driving a Vinten Motorised.

A curving track from the corner of the studio, to line
up on a tracking ladder to track up and down
a set of shop fronts.

Perfect on rehearsal, but I missed the line on recording,
finishing up two feet further back.

No zooms in those days to accommodate, so the shots were wider than
needed.
Jim was rightfully incensed,

so I joined Sound!

Left BBC in 1969 and had an excellent career in five or so
major feature flms and went round the world at least twice.

Earned enough to buy a flat and the first of 9 BMW's!

The training provided by BBC was instrumental in my gaining
the next job.

No regrets

Pat H

On 04/03/2024 12:08, crew13 via Tech1 wrote:
> My early days on crew 5 (Jim Atkinson) were spent cable bashing.
>
> One day I was crewed to track the Mole. Rod Taylor was at the front and John Dailley was swinging. John took me under his wing and it all went rather well.
>
> The next couple of years we worked on 3 or 5 day plays nearly every week as the same team.
>
> We could throw the Mole around like a ped. Classic drama with top names. Magic times.
>
> I?d get the odd nod of appreciation from John, Rod, Garth, and Geoff (Clarke). That meant far more to me than the bolllockings I got from Jim. It taught me an early lesson that you could motivate people more if you were kind to them!
>
> Bill Jenkin was one of those wonderfull larger than life characters this industry seems to attract. He always put others first. His Union work for example. Though I'm sure Management would say he was a belligerent pain in the backside!
>
> When I think of John and Bill it brings a smile to my face.
>
> Not a bad legacy to leave.
>
> John V
>
>
>
>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 07:03:44 2024
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 13:03:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] John Dailley
Message-ID: <264E3FFD-DC79-4CB2-BF48-925456286E2D@gmail.com>

John at Wood Norton on TO19 back in June 1964. RIP old friend.



Losing both Bill Jenkin and John in the same week was a painful shock to all of us who had the pleasure of knowing and working with them.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Mar  5 15:55:55 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 21:55:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga Colour film behind the scenes
Message-ID: <ABF431CA-CF15-40B0-A015-08035BCCFD04@me.com>

Following on from Mike?s photograph collection, I stumbled across this.  I don?t know if others have already seen it, but am mentioning it in case it?s new to some.

Lots of wobbly film shots behind the scenes, showing the cast, crew and equipment.

https://archive.org/details/twitter-1014512648501825536

Alan


From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Tue Mar  5 16:13:05 2024
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:13:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga Colour film behind the scenes
In-Reply-To: <ABF431CA-CF15-40B0-A015-08035BCCFD04@me.com>
References: <ABF431CA-CF15-40B0-A015-08035BCCFD04@me.com>
Message-ID: <053281BC-FC04-4BA4-BF67-D6E13AECA4DB@talktalk.net>

Fascinating, thanks for posting.

Hugh Snape

> On 5 Mar 2024, at 21:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Following on from Mike?s photograph collection, I stumbled across this.  I don?t know if others have already seen it, but am mentioning it in case it?s new to some.
> 
> Lots of wobbly film shots behind the scenes, showing the cast, crew and equipment.
> 
> https://archive.org/details/twitter-1014512648501825536
> 
> Alan
> 
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Wed Mar  6 04:00:20 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 10:00:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of John and Bill
In-Reply-To: <D7C5C44E-9D44-4CFF-ABB1-C241AF664BC5@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <D7C5C44E-9D44-4CFF-ABB1-C241AF664BC5@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <3137c1c7-8501-4112-b491-391c2b2e3b90@gmail.com>

As a follow up to the sad news, by chance last night, BBC FOUR was 
transmitting episodes of 'To the Manor Born' and 'Yes Prime Minister'

The latter had a screen credit for John, and the former carried a credit 
for 'Crew 13'!

Pat H

On 04/03/2024 12:08, crew13 via Tech1 wrote:

> My early days on crew 5 (Jim Atkinson) were spent cable bashing.
>
> One day I was crewed to track the Mole. Rod Taylor was at the front and John Dailley was swinging. John took me under his wing and it all went rather well.
>
> The next couple of years we worked on 3 or 5 day plays nearly every week as the same team.
>
> We could throw the Mole around like a ped. Classic drama with top names. Magic times.
>
> I?d get the odd nod of appreciation from John, Rod, Garth, and Geoff (Clarke). That meant far more to me than the bolllockings I got from Jim. It taught me an early lesson that you could motivate people more if you were kind to them!
>
> Bill Jenkin was one of those wonderfull larger than life characters this industry seems to attract. He always put others first. His Union work for example. Though I'm sure Management would say he was a belligerent pain in the backside!
>
> When I think of John and Bill it brings a smile to my face.
>
> Not a bad legacy to leave.
>
> John V
>
>
>
>
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Thu Mar  7 05:50:43 2024
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 11:50:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Equalisers
Message-ID: <CE0FA3DB-E17C-4924-9C3B-318CE906E191@btinternet.com>

Dear Sound department. I have a demon surround set up where should I put a graphic equaliser in the chain and is thee one you would recommend 

Best wishes to all Albert 
Sent from my iPhone


From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Thu Mar  7 06:08:57 2024
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 12:08:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Equalisers
In-Reply-To: <CE0FA3DB-E17C-4924-9C3B-318CE906E191@btinternet.com>
References: <CE0FA3DB-E17C-4924-9C3B-318CE906E191@btinternet.com>
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I have an expensive surround system  ( 5.1) and in my experience you should not need one.
Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Mar 2024, at 11:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Dear Sound department. I have a demon surround set up where should I put a graphic equaliser in the chain and is thee one you would recommend
> 
> Best wishes to all Albert
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Thu Mar  7 08:26:52 2024
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (A Barber)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 14:26:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Equalisers
In-Reply-To: <A25489DB-9746-43B9-A54F-F491FE283795@me.com>
References: <CE0FA3DB-E17C-4924-9C3B-318CE906E191@btinternet.com>
	<A25489DB-9746-43B9-A54F-F491FE283795@me.com>
Message-ID: <83057DB7-2D16-4A61-8B0E-1C63257D74F2@btinternet.com>

Hi Alan and everyone.
You are always kind in advice and generosity. It?s so reassuring that sound department lives on with that camaraderie as when we all worked together. 
The reason for writing is that I have just been to have hearing test and the audio guy said that too get up to the quality I used to have is to creep up slightly levels using a graphic equaliser in order to hearth levels on the test which are low.
I have a DENON surround sound system and find the quality I get is excllent. So I don?t feel I need to tweak things but it may help.
Best wishes to all and my sincere thanks.
Albert
Here is my chart

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> On 7 Mar 2024, at 12:40, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Albert,
> 
> I would start by asking why you want to use a graphic equaliser?
> 
> Many of the better HiFi systems have a switch to bypass any ( already minimal ) EQ so that the response is flat.  By removing the EQ circuitry from the signal chain, you improve things like the transient or phase response, which in turn improves higher frequencies and stereo imaging. 
> 
> The generally accepted view is that good quality CDs and vinyl should not require EQ to be adjusted by the listener. A graphic equaliser is mostly used to correct problems or to create certain effects. Graphic equalisers are rarely built into high-end HiFi Systems, I?ve only noticed crude graphic equalisers being a feature of low-end consumer systems a few years ago, or in car audio systems.  My advice would be to save your money unless you have a specific need for one. On the other hand, if you regularly listen to variable quality original recordings, an equaliser can correct some types of problems.
> 
> If you do want one, it works at line level and goes between the preamplifier and the power amplifiers. Most high quality ones are made for 19? rack mounting, which is a slightly awkward size for domestic use as it?s a little wider than most HiFi units.   Graphic equalisers usually have a bypass switch, which sends the signal directly to it?s output.  By doing that, you eliminate the slight signal degradation when it?s not being used.
> 
> In sound studios, if a system is being fine tuned to suit that room, it?s generally done by subtly tweaking the respective levels of the woofers, mid-range and tweeters.   As most hi-end systems use a dedicated amplifier for each loudspeaker driver within the loudspeaker ( AKA bi-amplified ), that sort of equalisation can be introduced in such a way that the quality isn?t compromised. 
> 
> If you want to know more, feel free to ask.
> 
> Hoping all is well with you
> 
> All the best, Alan
> 
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 11:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Dear Sound department. I have a demon surround set up where should I put a graphic equaliser in the chain and is thee one you would recommend
>> 
>> Best wishes to all Albert
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Thu Mar  7 08:54:37 2024
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 14:54:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Equalisers
In-Reply-To: <83057DB7-2D16-4A61-8B0E-1C63257D74F2@btinternet.com>
References: <83057DB7-2D16-4A61-8B0E-1C63257D74F2@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <13FF7A1E-5E7F-4F4D-8F52-C37548C301CE@btinternet.com>

Discovered that adjustment can be made on my Denon AVR so have done a slight tweak. Much better on the tops using NHS results to adjust Denon 
Thanks all Albert 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Mar 2024, at 14:27, A Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Alan and everyone.
> You are always kind in advice and generosity. It?s so reassuring that sound department lives on with that camaraderie as when we all worked together.
> The reason for writing is that I have just been to have hearing test and the audio guy said that too get up to the quality I used to have is to creep up slightly levels using a graphic equaliser in order to hearth levels on the test which are low.
> I have a DENON surround sound system and find the quality I get is excllent. So I don?t feel I need to tweak things but it may help.
> Best wishes to all and my sincere thanks.
> Albert
> Here is my chart
> 
> <Hearing test.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 12:40, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Albert,
>> 
>> I would start by asking why you want to use a graphic equaliser?
>> 
>> Many of the better HiFi systems have a switch to bypass any ( already minimal ) EQ so that the response is flat.  By removing the EQ circuitry from the signal chain, you improve things like the transient or phase response, which in turn improves higher frequencies and stereo imaging.
>> 
>> The generally accepted view is that good quality CDs and vinyl should not require EQ to be adjusted by the listener. A graphic equaliser is mostly used to correct problems or to create certain effects. Graphic equalisers are rarely built into high-end HiFi Systems, I?ve only noticed crude graphic equalisers being a feature of low-end consumer systems a few years ago, or in car audio systems.  My advice would be to save your money unless you have a specific need for one. On the other hand, if you regularly listen to variable quality original recordings, an equaliser can correct some types of problems.
>> 
>> If you do want one, it works at line level and goes between the preamplifier and the power amplifiers. Most high quality ones are made for 19? rack mounting, which is a slightly awkward size for domestic use as it?s a little wider than most HiFi units.   Graphic equalisers usually have a bypass switch, which sends the signal directly to it?s output.  By doing that, you eliminate the slight signal degradation when it?s not being used.
>> 
>> In sound studios, if a system is being fine tuned to suit that room, it?s generally done by subtly tweaking the respective levels of the woofers, mid-range and tweeters.   As most hi-end systems use a dedicated amplifier for each loudspeaker driver within the loudspeaker ( AKA bi-amplified ), that sort of equalisation can be introduced in such a way that the quality isn?t compromised.
>> 
>> If you want to know more, feel free to ask.
>> 
>> Hoping all is well with you
>> 
>> All the best, Alan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 11:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Dear Sound department. I have a demon surround set up where should I put a graphic equaliser in the chain and is thee one you would recommend
>>> 
>>> Best wishes to all Albert
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 



From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Thu Mar  7 08:55:36 2024
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 14:55:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Equalisers
In-Reply-To: <83057DB7-2D16-4A61-8B0E-1C63257D74F2@btinternet.com>
References: <83057DB7-2D16-4A61-8B0E-1C63257D74F2@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <16D0DE40-08B8-4A52-8C5E-B36C5C880677@sky.com>

I have hearing aids and I got the nhs tester to tweak up the high frequencies to compensate for my age related hf loss. Sadly the hearing aids only work up to about 8K, but I remember first getting them and was amazed as I walked  out the hospital and heard this strange sound?it was the birds singing.
Most a/ v amps have limited tone controls for want of a better word.
I have a system on my amp ( Arcam) called Dirac which uses a mic to analyse the room the audio system is in and correct the frequency response. It?s quite complicated to set up so I got a pro to do it for me. The difference was amazing.
Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Mar 2024, at 14:27, A Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Alan and everyone.
> You are always kind in advice and generosity. It?s so reassuring that sound department lives on with that camaraderie as when we all worked together. 
> The reason for writing is that I have just been to have hearing test and the audio guy said that too get up to the quality I used to have is to creep up slightly levels using a graphic equaliser in order to hearth levels on the test which are low.
> I have a DENON surround sound system and find the quality I get is excllent. So I don?t feel I need to tweak things but it may help.
> Best wishes to all and my sincere thanks.
> Albert
> Here is my chart
> 
> <Hearing test.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 12:40, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Albert,
>> 
>> I would start by asking why you want to use a graphic equaliser?
>> 
>> Many of the better HiFi systems have a switch to bypass any ( already minimal ) EQ so that the response is flat.  By removing the EQ circuitry from the signal chain, you improve things like the transient or phase response, which in turn improves higher frequencies and stereo imaging.
>> 
>> The generally accepted view is that good quality CDs and vinyl should not require EQ to be adjusted by the listener. A graphic equaliser is mostly used to correct problems or to create certain effects. Graphic equalisers are rarely built into high-end HiFi Systems, I?ve only noticed crude graphic equalisers being a feature of low-end consumer systems a few years ago, or in car audio systems.  My advice would be to save your money unless you have a specific need for one. On the other hand, if you regularly listen to variable quality original recordings, an equaliser can correct some types of problems.
>> 
>> If you do want one, it works at line level and goes between the preamplifier and the power amplifiers. Most high quality ones are made for 19? rack mounting, which is a slightly awkward size for domestic use as it?s a little wider than most HiFi units.   Graphic equalisers usually have a bypass switch, which sends the signal directly to it?s output.  By doing that, you eliminate the slight signal degradation when it?s not being used.
>> 
>> In sound studios, if a system is being fine tuned to suit that room, it?s generally done by subtly tweaking the respective levels of the woofers, mid-range and tweeters.   As most hi-end systems use a dedicated amplifier for each loudspeaker driver within the loudspeaker ( AKA bi-amplified ), that sort of equalisation can be introduced in such a way that the quality isn?t compromised.
>> 
>> If you want to know more, feel free to ask.
>> 
>> Hoping all is well with you
>> 
>> All the best, Alan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 11:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Dear Sound department. I have a demon surround set up where should I put a graphic equaliser in the chain and is thee one you would recommend
>>> 
>>> Best wishes to all Albert
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Mar  7 09:55:35 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 15:55:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Equalisers
In-Reply-To: <83057DB7-2D16-4A61-8B0E-1C63257D74F2@btinternet.com>
References: <83057DB7-2D16-4A61-8B0E-1C63257D74F2@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <21083273-7B7E-4806-909B-6BAAF4FB1C49@me.com>

While you could tweak the HiFi to boost frequencies which you have difficulty with, the resultant strident tone might not be compatible with domestic harmony. 

You might do better to use wireless headphones. Some of the better ones have companion apps which offer fairly good equalisation options.  The same headphones can also be used for listening to the TV and many have a built in microphone, allowing you to easily make phone calls via your smartphone too.

I?m reminded of a jape which was told to me in the bar by a gram op.  A sound supervisor decided during morning rehearsals that his ears were misbehaving and needed syringing. He arranged to see the BBC nurse asap.  When he came back, the gram op had plugged an equaliser into the amplifier feeding the monitoring loudspeaker and boosted the high frequencies.

When he returned, his reaction was ?Bloody hell, that sounds so shrill now?. The gram op simply said that it?s been like that all morning, but gradually turned down the treble boost a little at a time, whenever the supervisor wasn?t looking. 

Alan



> On 7 Mar 2024, at 14:27, A Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Alan and everyone.
> You are always kind in advice and generosity. It?s so reassuring that sound department lives on with that camaraderie as when we all worked together.
> The reason for writing is that I have just been to have hearing test and the audio guy said that too get up to the quality I used to have is to creep up slightly levels using a graphic equaliser in order to hearth levels on the test which are low.
> I have a DENON surround sound system and find the quality I get is excllent. So I don?t feel I need to tweak things but it may help.
> Best wishes to all and my sincere thanks.
> Albert
> Here is my chart
> 
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> 
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 12:40, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Albert,
>> 
>> I would start by asking why you want to use a graphic equaliser?
>> 
>> Many of the better HiFi systems have a switch to bypass any ( already minimal ) EQ so that the response is flat.  By removing the EQ circuitry from the signal chain, you improve things like the transient or phase response, which in turn improves higher frequencies and stereo imaging.
>> 
>> The generally accepted view is that good quality CDs and vinyl should not require EQ to be adjusted by the listener. A graphic equaliser is mostly used to correct problems or to create certain effects. Graphic equalisers are rarely built into high-end HiFi Systems, I?ve only noticed crude graphic equalisers being a feature of low-end consumer systems a few years ago, or in car audio systems.  My advice would be to save your money unless you have a specific need for one. On the other hand, if you regularly listen to variable quality original recordings, an equaliser can correct some types of problems.
>> 
>> If you do want one, it works at line level and goes between the preamplifier and the power amplifiers. Most high quality ones are made for 19? rack mounting, which is a slightly awkward size for domestic use as it?s a little wider than most HiFi units.   Graphic equalisers usually have a bypass switch, which sends the signal directly to it?s output.  By doing that, you eliminate the slight signal degradation when it?s not being used.
>> 
>> In sound studios, if a system is being fine tuned to suit that room, it?s generally done by subtly tweaking the respective levels of the woofers, mid-range and tweeters.   As most hi-end systems use a dedicated amplifier for each loudspeaker driver within the loudspeaker ( AKA bi-amplified ), that sort of equalisation can be introduced in such a way that the quality isn?t compromised.
>> 
>> If you want to know more, feel free to ask.
>> 
>> Hoping all is well with you
>> 
>> All the best, Alan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 11:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Dear Sound department. I have a demon surround set up where should I put a graphic equaliser in the chain and is thee one you would recommend
>>> 
>>> Best wishes to all Albert
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 

From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  7 10:04:07 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 16:04:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Equalisers
In-Reply-To: <13FF7A1E-5E7F-4F4D-8F52-C37548C301CE@btinternet.com>
References: <83057DB7-2D16-4A61-8B0E-1C63257D74F2@btinternet.com>
	<13FF7A1E-5E7F-4F4D-8F52-C37548C301CE@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <becbb999-7669-44df-bc64-51f89bc790b0@gmail.com>

I too have an equaliser available. It is plugged between pre-amp and 
main. When switched off, it simply routes in to out direct. Have it set 
with a quite harsh 'presence' lift. Which can help understand what is 
being said in some 'arty' dramas.

On 07/03/2024 14:54, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote:
> Discovered that adjustment can be made on my Denon AVR so have done a slight tweak. Much better on the tops using NHS results to adjust Denon
> Thanks all Albert
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 14:27, A Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi Alan and everyone.
>> You are always kind in advice and generosity. It?s so reassuring that sound department lives on with that camaraderie as when we all worked together.
>> The reason for writing is that I have just been to have hearing test and the audio guy said that too get up to the quality I used to have is to creep up slightly levels using a graphic equaliser in order to hearth levels on the test which are low.
>> I have a DENON surround sound system and find the quality I get is excllent. So I don?t feel I need to tweak things but it may help.
>> Best wishes to all and my sincere thanks.
>> Albert
>> Here is my chart
>>
>> <Hearing test.jpeg>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 12:40, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Albert,
>>>
>>> I would start by asking why you want to use a graphic equaliser?
>>>
>>> Many of the better HiFi systems have a switch to bypass any ( already minimal ) EQ so that the response is flat.  By removing the EQ circuitry from the signal chain, you improve things like the transient or phase response, which in turn improves higher frequencies and stereo imaging.
>>>
>>> The generally accepted view is that good quality CDs and vinyl should not require EQ to be adjusted by the listener. A graphic equaliser is mostly used to correct problems or to create certain effects. Graphic equalisers are rarely built into high-end HiFi Systems, I?ve only noticed crude graphic equalisers being a feature of low-end consumer systems a few years ago, or in car audio systems.  My advice would be to save your money unless you have a specific need for one. On the other hand, if you regularly listen to variable quality original recordings, an equaliser can correct some types of problems.
>>>
>>> If you do want one, it works at line level and goes between the preamplifier and the power amplifiers. Most high quality ones are made for 19? rack mounting, which is a slightly awkward size for domestic use as it?s a little wider than most HiFi units.   Graphic equalisers usually have a bypass switch, which sends the signal directly to it?s output.  By doing that, you eliminate the slight signal degradation when it?s not being used.
>>>
>>> In sound studios, if a system is being fine tuned to suit that room, it?s generally done by subtly tweaking the respective levels of the woofers, mid-range and tweeters.   As most hi-end systems use a dedicated amplifier for each loudspeaker driver within the loudspeaker ( AKA bi-amplified ), that sort of equalisation can be introduced in such a way that the quality isn?t compromised.
>>>
>>> If you want to know more, feel free to ask.
>>>
>>> Hoping all is well with you
>>>
>>> All the best, Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 11:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?Dear Sound department. I have a demon surround set up where should I put a graphic equaliser in the chain and is thee one you would recommend
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes to all Albert
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  7 11:12:52 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:12:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] One day, all this ....
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This has appeared on a couple of Facebook groups ....
BR Alec

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar  7 11:20:27 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:20:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] One day, all this ....
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Looks horribly like my garage!

> On 7 Mar 2024, at 17:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This has appeared on a couple of Facebook groups ....
> BR Alec
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
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? 
Graeme Wall




From ware.nick at aol.com  Thu Mar  7 11:30:22 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:30:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Equalisers
References: <C169D8B8-C0D4-4614-94B2-9B71EB1E43D3.ref@aol.com>
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??My take on this topic:
It?s worth mentioning that a lot of present day TV drama sound is pretty awful quality as broadcast. (I would have to differ with Alan?s use of ?excellent? - unless he?s found something I haven?t!). Mumbling actors, buried radio mics, over-loud music, and in some cases, crudely dubbed foley fx being the main issues.
I have literally lost count of the number of people who say they have to have subtitles enabled in order to follow dialogue in most present-day dramas.
Notable exceptions being Death in Paradise and Call the Midwife, which are usually good and clear (I suspect not dubbed in surround). Ditto soaps such as Eastenders in particular, and most others.
Two things that don?t help are personal mics buried under clothing, and inappropriate cinematic style dubbing. If dubbed in surround, that has to be ?folded? down to stereo, which is actually done in whatever receiver you happen to be using. In my case, I have an HDMI-to-analogue audio extractor feeding a pair of reasonably good active stereo monitors (Mackie HR824, carefully aligned together with a Genelec 7050 sub). It?s on these that I still do a lot of demanding music editing, serious listening etc. Hearing tests have confirmed that my HF hearing is better than average for my advanced years!). 
For the sitting room I?ve tried hard to find a soundbar that I could live with, but so far failed miserably. So, in there we have a pair of Presonus Eris E8 monitors which sound pretty respectable (again HDMI-to-analogue audio extracted). These are fed via an upgraded Quad 34 preamp for the sole purpose of lifting the HF end for dramas. Often, it?s possible to turn the HF ?tilt? knob from minimum to maximum with no audible difference, for the simple reason that it?s just not there to lift!
In the kitchen we have a modestly priced Sony soundbar, which is tolerable provided that the oven fan, air fryer, dishwasher, cooker hood, and extractor fan aren?t on. If any of them are - forget it!
The fact that some progs are perfectly clear, intelligible, and what I would call sensibly dubbed seems to suggest that the fault isn?t with me.
In short: I don?t think graphic equalisers are going to do much to help. But if you do decide to go that route, I suspect that you probably only need to eq the front centre channel (taking care to keep it in phase with the front left and right).
The fact that EQ is necessary at all is a worry (and inexcusable) when you think of all the countless hundreds of thousands of viewers who have less than perfect hearing and/or access to equalisation to do anything about it.
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 7 Mar 2024, at 14:27, A Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?Hi Alan and everyone.
> You are always kind in advice and generosity. It?s so reassuring that sound department lives on with that camaraderie as when we all worked together.
> The reason for writing is that I have just been to have hearing test and the audio guy said that too get up to the quality I used to have is to creep up slightly levels using a graphic equaliser in order to hearth levels on the test which are low.
> I have a DENON surround sound system and find the quality I get is excllent. So I don?t feel I need to tweak things but it may help.
> Best wishes to all and my sincere thanks.
> Albert
> Here is my chart
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 12:40, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Albert,
>> 
>> I would start by asking why you want to use a graphic equaliser?
>> 
>> Many of the better HiFi systems have a switch to bypass any ( already minimal ) EQ so that the response is flat.  By removing the EQ circuitry from the signal chain, you improve things like the transient or phase response, which in turn improves higher frequencies and stereo imaging.
>> 
>> The generally accepted view is that good quality CDs and vinyl should not require EQ to be adjusted by the listener. A graphic equaliser is mostly used to correct problems or to create certain effects. Graphic equalisers are rarely built into high-end HiFi Systems, I?ve only noticed crude graphic equalisers being a feature of low-end consumer systems a few years ago, or in car audio systems.  My advice would be to save your money unless you have a specific need for one. On the other hand, if you regularly listen to variable quality original recordings, an equaliser can correct some types of problems.
>> 
>> If you do want one, it works at line level and goes between the preamplifier and the power amplifiers. Most high quality ones are made for 19? rack mounting, which is a slightly awkward size for domestic use as it?s a little wider than most HiFi units.   Graphic equalisers usually have a bypass switch, which sends the signal directly to it?s output.  By doing that, you eliminate the slight signal degradation when it?s not being used.
>> 
>> In sound studios, if a system is being fine tuned to suit that room, it?s generally done by subtly tweaking the respective levels of the woofers, mid-range and tweeters.   As most hi-end systems use a dedicated amplifier for each loudspeaker driver within the loudspeaker ( AKA bi-amplified ), that sort of equalisation can be introduced in such a way that the quality isn?t compromised.
>> 
>> If you want to know more, feel free to ask.
>> 
>> Hoping all is well with you
>> 
>> All the best, Alan
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 11:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?Dear Sound department. I have a demon surround set up where should I put a graphic equaliser in the chain and is thee one you would recommend
>>> Best wishes to all Albert
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Mar  7 12:17:37 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 18:17:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] One day, all this ....
In-Reply-To: <9C078FA0-8B06-4F63-95BA-4C3F3FCF64A7@icloud.com>
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I did a job where the art dept designed a set which used lots of LED flexible lighting strips.  They were supplied as 10 metre rolls, each with a power supply.  

For the set, they needed 6 metre lengths, so they cut off and discarded a great number of 4 metre lengths which I was happy to take away and recycle.  Sorting through my collection of orphaned power supplies, I picked out a number of 12V ones ( mostly from BT routers ) which had their output cable soldered to convenient solder pads on those LED strips.  Stylish concealed lighting for free - always the best price.

In one room I bought a length of aluminium extrusion with a slide on diffusion cover, specially designed for LED strips.  It looks really neat when used in a place where it couldn?t be concealed.  I?ve also got some other LED strips fitted inside big cupboards and wardrobes, wired up to switches which come on when the door is opened. 

Alan

> On 7 Mar 2024, at 17:21, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Looks horribly like my garage!
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 17:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> This has appeared on a couple of Facebook groups ....
>> BR Alec
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Mar  8 04:25:37 2024
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:25:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] One day, all this ....
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On 07/03/2024 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> ...
>   I?ve also got some other LED strips fitted inside big cupboards and wardrobes, wired up to switches which come on when the door is opened.
>
I've done the same in a range of fitted wardrobes. I used low voltage 
reed switches to control everything, and turned off the input to the 
switch-mode PSU that supplied each strip with a mechanical relay (to 
avoid having a standby current flowing all the time).

However the relay contacts kept failing even though they were 10A ones 
running <1A of load. The PSUs had a staggeringly high inrush current, 
and even though it was for milliseconds, it was enough to weld the 
contacts. Quite an eye-opener to rating specs.

A nice semiconductor relay solved everything.


Chris Woolf




From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Mar  8 05:37:25 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 11:37:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] One day, all this ....
Message-ID: <1D597BC8-C36E-4DE8-91F9-FE907D27B758@me.com>

I encountered a similar problem recently. 

Ever since the 1990s, I?ve made a number of devices which use a USB outlet from  one device to switch the power to associated peripherals when it?s in use. 

Originally it was just my computer, but since then I?ve been able to do the same thing with the HiFi and my TV.  Originally I built simple circuits using opto-triacs driving a 230v relay, but since then, solid state switches have become a simpler alternative.

A few weeks ago I rebuilt the one connected to my TV, which switches on an external hard drive, DVD player and some ambient lighting when the TV is in use. There was only limited space for the electronic components and I decided to recycle a very cheap ( about ?3 if I remember right ) 5 volt operated relay module, which was left over from another project.

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The relay contacts were rated 230v @ 3A and the load was 15W for the hard drive, 25W for the DVD and 2W for the ambient lighting. all of it combined was massively within the claimed rating of the relay.  However it failed within a few days when the contacts welded together, presumably due to the switch-on surge from the hard disk power supply.

As I had already built the housing, I wanted the replacement to still fit, but a higher rated solid state relay was just a couple of mm too big. I ended up raiding my scrap box and finding a very tiny solid state relay and a miniature 230V relay rated at 10A. By mounting the relay on its side, it just fits within the space available.  I quite like the idea of incorporating an old fashioned relay as the little click confirms that it?s operating as intended.

Alan 


> On 8 Mar 2024, at 10:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
>> On 07/03/2024 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> ...
>>  I?ve also got some other LED strips fitted inside big cupboards and wardrobes, wired up to switches which come on when the door is opened.
>> 
> I've done the same in a range of fitted wardrobes. I used low voltage reed switches to control everything, and turned off the input to the switch-mode PSU that supplied each strip with a mechanical relay (to avoid having a standby current flowing all the time).
> 
> However the relay contacts kept failing even though they were 10A ones running <1A of load. The PSUs had a staggeringly high inrush current, and even though it was for milliseconds, it was enough to weld the contacts. Quite an eye-opener to rating specs.
> 
> A nice semiconductor relay solved everything.
> 
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Mar  8 05:58:51 2024
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 11:58:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] One day, all this ....
In-Reply-To: <1D597BC8-C36E-4DE8-91F9-FE907D27B758@me.com>
References: <1D597BC8-C36E-4DE8-91F9-FE907D27B758@me.com>
Message-ID: <3e3bf4ab-7614-44b2-8683-61ddb97fcf86@chriswoolf.co.uk>

The delight of the solid state relays is that they clamp the 
over-current pulse brilliantly, and thus don't need enormous over-rating.

In theory conventional relays can have snubbers etc to clamp pulses, but 
the presence of coils and reactive components makes it "too hard" for 
most purposes, when easier alternatives now exist.


Chris Woolf


On 08/03/2024 11:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I encountered a similar problem recently.
>
> Ever since the 1990s, I?ve made a number of devices which use a USB outlet from  one device to switch the power to associated peripherals when it?s in use.
>
> Originally it was just my computer, but since then I?ve been able to do the same thing with the HiFi and my TV.  Originally I built simple circuits using opto-triacs driving a 230v relay, but since then, solid state switches have become a simpler alternative.
>
> A few weeks ago I rebuilt the one connected to my TV, which switches on an external hard drive, DVD player and some ambient lighting when the TV is in use. There was only limited space for the electronic components and I decided to recycle a very cheap ( about ?3 if I remember right ) 5 volt operated relay module, which was left over from another project.
>
>
>
> The relay contacts were rated 230v @ 3A and the load was 15W for the hard drive, 25W for the DVD and 2W for the ambient lighting. all of it combined was massively within the claimed rating of the relay.  However it failed within a few days when the contacts welded together, presumably due to the switch-on surge from the hard disk power supply.
>
> As I had already built the housing, I wanted the replacement to still fit, but a higher rated solid state relay was just a couple of mm too big. I ended up raiding my scrap box and finding a very tiny solid state relay and a miniature 230V relay rated at 10A. By mounting the relay on its side, it just fits within the space available.  I quite like the idea of incorporating an old fashioned relay as the little click confirms that it?s operating as intended.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 8 Mar 2024, at 10:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>> On 07/03/2024 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> ...
>>>   I?ve also got some other LED strips fitted inside big cupboards and wardrobes, wired up to switches which come on when the door is opened.
>>>
>> I've done the same in a range of fitted wardrobes. I used low voltage reed switches to control everything, and turned off the input to the switch-mode PSU that supplied each strip with a mechanical relay (to avoid having a standby current flowing all the time).
>>
>> However the relay contacts kept failing even though they were 10A ones running <1A of load. The PSUs had a staggeringly high inrush current, and even though it was for milliseconds, it was enough to weld the contacts. Quite an eye-opener to rating specs.
>>
>> A nice semiconductor relay solved everything.
>>
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Mar  8 06:46:41 2024
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:46:41 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] One day, all this ....
In-Reply-To: <19A06B6E-DD04-4F10-B762-91284FEBEE52@me.com>
References: <9C078FA0-8B06-4F63-95BA-4C3F3FCF64A7@icloud.com>
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Takes me back to a while ago when I was helping our local school drama dept 
with a show.
They wanted lights all along the top of the set so bought a long length of 
LED s inside an OVAL plastic sleeve.
I was also involved with their radio mics/PA system and had been called in 
when the stand mic - one of the old fashioned tilting ribbon types - failed 
while I was away at home having supper. That turned out to be use of a cheap 
one which, when bent back and forth to suit various heighted students, broke 
the wires between the capsule and the XLR!. Mend job next day!
Back at lights, they also panicked when smoke came out from far end under 
stage and RCD tripped.
Me looked for a PSU but none and found the oval sleeve carried MAINS on 2 
wires each side with a strip of lights on a circuit getting volts by 
transformer like connection to mains.
They had found the length was excessive and left the last 10ft on the 
cardboard drum and, guess what, light strip got hot and set card on fire. A 
quick wire cutter took that bit off and OK with some gaffa to insulate the 
end.
Cut off bit then worked in my garage with a chock block connecting to a 
mains lead.
Clever eh?

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2024 6:17 PM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] One day, all this ....

I did a job where the art dept designed a set which used lots of LED 
flexible lighting strips.  They were supplied as 10 metre rolls, each with a 
power supply.

For the set, they needed 6 metre lengths, so they cut off and discarded a 
great number of 4 metre lengths which I was happy to take away and recycle. 
Sorting through my collection of orphaned power supplies, I picked out a 
number of 12V ones ( mostly from BT routers ) which had their output cable 
soldered to convenient solder pads on those LED strips.  Stylish concealed 
lighting for free - always the best price.

In one room I bought a length of aluminium extrusion with a slide on 
diffusion cover, specially designed for LED strips.  It looks really neat 
when used in a place where it couldn?t be concealed.  I?ve also got some 
other LED strips fitted inside big cupboards and wardrobes, wired up to 
switches which come on when the door is opened.

Alan



From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Mar  8 10:25:05 2024
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:25:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] One day, all this ....
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Message-ID: <E65669FA-1BA8-4F56-9D0B-8C4C7EACCA92@talktalk.net>

I was aghast when Westcountry TV was being set up to discover that every one of the very many Sony Beta SP machine was supplied with a set of leads in its box (13A to IEC mains etc) and all were discarded as the machines were hard wired into their racks. The same was true for the majority of monitors and other hard wired equipment. Incredibly wasteful but I seemed to be the only one who noticed . . .

Hugh Snape

> On 7 Mar 2024, at 17:20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Looks horribly like my garage!
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2024, at 17:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> This has appeared on a couple of Facebook groups ....
>> BR Alec
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Mar  9 06:35:05 2024
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (A Barber)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 12:35:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Mar  9 07:11:48 2024
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 13:11:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
In-Reply-To: <D130B5A0-1118-46E0-B713-0CABF28F3114@btinternet.com>
References: <bounce--itcjtrbveeux5kwu@send.smartbrief.com>
	<D130B5A0-1118-46E0-B713-0CABF28F3114@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <ecfc11dc-d143-47f5-99e2-3155a2ea3580@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 09/03/2024 12:35, A Barber via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear Chaps
>
> You may be interested in the recent WHAT HI_FI newsletter. It mentions 
> the dreaded Brexit and thought you may be interested.
> Fondest and thanks to all.
>
Thanks for posting that, Albert.

And yes, despite the political fragility of mentioning the word on this 
forum, the economic one of Brexit is critical because it does indeed 
impact enormously on this industry. While the temporary devaluing of the 
currency aided some exporting, all economic authorities now agree that 
Brexit has been an unequivocal set-back to UK trade.

As the article points out we do not have a component manufacturing base 
in this country - nor could we ever set one up. So almost all parts must 
be bought in with increased price and administrative delay. And in the 
reverse direction no British manufacturer - assembler would be a more 
accurate term - can afford to sell to a purely local market. As a 
third-world country with few useful alliances, most exports are now 
subject to similar outward tariffs and delays too - a double whammy.

It also points out that ownership of the mainstay companies is gradually 
leaking away from Britain, and that is unlikely to change. Rather as 
with such wonderfully hypocritical supporters of Leaving, such as Dyson, 
and Jim Ratcliffe with his Grenadier, the general trend is to shift 
manufacturing elsewhere, with the benefits of easier product line flow 
in both directions.

We are probably stuck with these unfortunate economic drags until it 
becomes feasible to change political leanings and persuade the country 
to accept a more engaged commercial stance - something that will take a 
few years to achieve.

Chris Woolf


https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions



From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 09:01:30 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 15:01:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
In-Reply-To: <ecfc11dc-d143-47f5-99e2-3155a2ea3580@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <bounce--itcjtrbveeux5kwu@send.smartbrief.com>
	<D130B5A0-1118-46E0-B713-0CABF28F3114@btinternet.com>
	<ecfc11dc-d143-47f5-99e2-3155a2ea3580@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <852e302a-33b5-4c0d-93b4-7401379971a0@gmail.com>

Just had a long phone call from from a friend of my niece's husband - 
about car things. But his job is in support to offshore anything. In 
this case wind farms. And said virtually none of the manufacturing or 
installation is done by UK companies. They are made mainly in Germany 
and installed by the Dutch. Given non of this is exactly rocket science, 
it does make me wonder just what has happened to the UK?

On 09/03/2024 13:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> On 09/03/2024 12:35, A Barber via Tech1 wrote:
>> Dear Chaps
>>
>> You may be interested in the recent WHAT HI_FI newsletter. It 
>> mentions the dreaded Brexit and thought you may be interested.
>> Fondest and thanks to all.
>>
> Thanks for posting that, Albert.
>
> And yes, despite the political fragility of mentioning the word on 
> this forum, the economic one of Brexit is critical because it does 
> indeed impact enormously on this industry. While the temporary 
> devaluing of the currency aided some exporting, all economic 
> authorities now agree that Brexit has been an unequivocal set-back to 
> UK trade.
>
> As the article points out we do not have a component manufacturing 
> base in this country - nor could we ever set one up. So almost all 
> parts must be bought in with increased price and administrative delay. 
> And in the reverse direction no British manufacturer - assembler would 
> be a more accurate term - can afford to sell to a purely local market. 
> As a third-world country with few useful alliances, most exports are 
> now subject to similar outward tariffs and delays too - a double whammy.
>
> It also points out that ownership of the mainstay companies is 
> gradually leaking away from Britain, and that is unlikely to change. 
> Rather as with such wonderfully hypocritical supporters of Leaving, 
> such as Dyson, and Jim Ratcliffe with his Grenadier, the general trend 
> is to shift manufacturing elsewhere, with the benefits of easier 
> product line flow in both directions.
>
> We are probably stuck with these unfortunate economic drags until it 
> becomes feasible to change political leanings and persuade the country 
> to accept a more engaged commercial stance - something that will take 
> a few years to achieve.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions 
>
>
>
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW



From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Mar  9 10:21:22 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:21:22 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
In-Reply-To: <ecfc11dc-d143-47f5-99e2-3155a2ea3580@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <bounce--itcjtrbveeux5kwu@send.smartbrief.com><D130B5A0-1118-46E0-B713-0CABF28F3114@btinternet.com>
	<ecfc11dc-d143-47f5-99e2-3155a2ea3580@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A9D0F632D0BE49ABBA3A11A49D64DB8C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Very interesting article Albert and an excellent r?sum? from Chris.. Seeing 
KEF included in the discourse took me back to the 1960s when I was building 
a pair of K1 monitors (remember them - huge great 18" x 14" woofers) and I 
couldn't get the Mutocell panels which were used in the design for damping 
purposes. KEF's co-founder, the brilliant Raymond Cooke personally brought 
some down to my flat in Croydon which felt to me like Royalty visiting. KEF 
now part of the inexorable trend highlighted in the article, being part of 
the Hong Kong based Gold Peak Technology Group.

Those pioneering days were brilliant for enthusiasts. I built amps to the 
Arthur Radford design and couldn't get the specially matched twin gang 
potentiometers but Plessey sent me some gratis on a 'sample' basis. You 
could ring up Mullard Labs at Teddington and talk to a tech guy with real 
knowledge about valve characteristics. Everything had a buzz about it. 
Ridiculous to imagine it could last but great at the time.

As to the Brexit question its impact is so wide ranging as to make strict 
adherence to the forum's 'no politics' mantra difficult to maintain. Where 
the mentions touch on issues discussed in temperate language and far from 
rants I personally find them reasonable.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 1:11 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH


On 09/03/2024 12:35, A Barber via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear Chaps
>
> You may be interested in the recent WHAT HI_FI newsletter. It mentions the 
> dreaded Brexit and thought you may be interested.
> Fondest and thanks to all.
>
Thanks for posting that, Albert.

And yes, despite the political fragility of mentioning the word on this
forum, the economic one of Brexit is critical because it does indeed
impact enormously on this industry. While the temporary devaluing of the
currency aided some exporting, all economic authorities now agree that
Brexit has been an unequivocal set-back to UK trade.

As the article points out we do not have a component manufacturing base
in this country - nor could we ever set one up. So almost all parts must
be bought in with increased price and administrative delay. And in the
reverse direction no British manufacturer - assembler would be a more
accurate term - can afford to sell to a purely local market. As a
third-world country with few useful alliances, most exports are now
subject to similar outward tariffs and delays too - a double whammy.

It also points out that ownership of the mainstay companies is gradually
leaking away from Britain, and that is unlikely to change. Rather as
with such wonderfully hypocritical supporters of Leaving, such as Dyson,
and Jim Ratcliffe with his Grenadier, the general trend is to shift
manufacturing elsewhere, with the benefits of easier product line flow
in both directions.

We are probably stuck with these unfortunate economic drags until it
becomes feasible to change political leanings and persuade the country
to accept a more engaged commercial stance - something that will take a
few years to achieve.

Chris Woolf


https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Mar  9 11:23:02 2024
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 17:23:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
In-Reply-To: <A9D0F632D0BE49ABBA3A11A49D64DB8C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <A9D0F632D0BE49ABBA3A11A49D64DB8C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <09C1F363-B28B-4A2F-9675-39CE5A0F2B26@me.com>

Also, QUAD is now owned by IAG, International Audio Group, based in Asia

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 9 Mar 2024, at 16:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Very interesting article Albert and an excellent r?sum? from Chris.. Seeing KEF included in the discourse took me back to the 1960s when I was building a pair of K1 monitors (remember them - huge great 18" x 14" woofers) and I couldn't get the Mutocell panels which were used in the design for damping purposes. KEF's co-founder, the brilliant Raymond Cooke personally brought some down to my flat in Croydon which felt to me like Royalty visiting. KEF now part of the inexorable trend highlighted in the article, being part of the Hong Kong based Gold Peak Technology Group.
> 
> Those pioneering days were brilliant for enthusiasts. I built amps to the Arthur Radford design and couldn't get the specially matched twin gang potentiometers but Plessey sent me some gratis on a 'sample' basis. You could ring up Mullard Labs at Teddington and talk to a tech guy with real knowledge about valve characteristics. Everything had a buzz about it. Ridiculous to imagine it could last but great at the time.
> 
> As to the Brexit question its impact is so wide ranging as to make strict adherence to the forum's 'no politics' mantra difficult to maintain. Where the mentions touch on issues discussed in temperate language and far from rants I personally find them reasonable.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 1:11 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
> 
> 
>> On 09/03/2024 12:35, A Barber via Tech1 wrote:
>> Dear Chaps
>> 
>> You may be interested in the recent WHAT HI_FI newsletter. It mentions the dreaded Brexit and thought you may be interested.
>> Fondest and thanks to all.
>> 
> Thanks for posting that, Albert.
> 
> And yes, despite the political fragility of mentioning the word on this
> forum, the economic one of Brexit is critical because it does indeed
> impact enormously on this industry. While the temporary devaluing of the
> currency aided some exporting, all economic authorities now agree that
> Brexit has been an unequivocal set-back to UK trade.
> 
> As the article points out we do not have a component manufacturing base
> in this country - nor could we ever set one up. So almost all parts must
> be bought in with increased price and administrative delay. And in the
> reverse direction no British manufacturer - assembler would be a more
> accurate term - can afford to sell to a purely local market. As a
> third-world country with few useful alliances, most exports are now
> subject to similar outward tariffs and delays too - a double whammy.
> 
> It also points out that ownership of the mainstay companies is gradually
> leaking away from Britain, and that is unlikely to change. Rather as
> with such wonderfully hypocritical supporters of Leaving, such as Dyson,
> and Jim Ratcliffe with his Grenadier, the general trend is to shift
> manufacturing elsewhere, with the benefits of easier product line flow
> in both directions.
> 
> We are probably stuck with these unfortunate economic drags until it
> becomes feasible to change political leanings and persuade the country
> to accept a more engaged commercial stance - something that will take a
> few years to achieve.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions
> 
> 
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> 
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Mar  9 12:16:39 2024
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (A Barber)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 18:16:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
In-Reply-To: <09C1F363-B28B-4A2F-9675-39CE5A0F2B26@me.com>
References: <A9D0F632D0BE49ABBA3A11A49D64DB8C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<09C1F363-B28B-4A2F-9675-39CE5A0F2B26@me.com>
Message-ID: <373F7ECF-0BBD-49C7-9803-59E4278017ED@btinternet.com>

My first amps were Armstrongs?.Where are they now? See below
I went a little place to get one fixed in the East end as the factory had closed.
 
Interesting From Wiki 

Initially created to manufacture portable radios, during World War II <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II> their factory was used to manufacture radios, public address systems, and various electronic parts. After the war, they began to produce television sets, as well as long range radios for ships, but eventually ceased production of those lines to manufacture radios, amplifiers and tuners for home consumer use. In the 1950s when the high fidelity <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fidelity> market began to take shape, the company name was changed to Armstrong Audio and they focused their marketing and manufacturing at becoming hi-fi specialists.
During the 1960s and 1970s they were extremely successful, creating several durable radio models which are still in use by consumers today, but by the end of the 1970s their lease on their factory ran out and it was decided not to invest in a new one.[2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Audio#cite_note-Factory_Map-2> The building was torn down and the owners redeveloped it. Using plans developed for a further radio model, some of the staff continued on as Armstrong Amplifiers, but due to a lack of capital and suitable manufacturing space, production did not last long.[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Audio#cite_note-Brief_History-1>
Today, what once was Armstrong Audio is now called Armstrong Hi-Fi and Video Services and is based in Walthamstow <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walthamstow>, and they provide maintenance contract to a number of retail stores.


??

> On 9 Mar 2024, at 17:23, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Also, QUAD is now owned by IAG, International Audio Group, based in Asia
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 16:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Very interesting article Albert and an excellent r?sum? from Chris.. Seeing KEF included in the discourse took me back to the 1960s when I was building a pair of K1 monitors (remember them - huge great 18" x 14" woofers) and I couldn't get the Mutocell panels which were used in the design for damping purposes. KEF's co-founder, the brilliant Raymond Cooke personally brought some down to my flat in Croydon which felt to me like Royalty visiting. KEF now part of the inexorable trend highlighted in the article, being part of the Hong Kong based Gold Peak Technology Group.
>> 
>> Those pioneering days were brilliant for enthusiasts. I built amps to the Arthur Radford design and couldn't get the specially matched twin gang potentiometers but Plessey sent me some gratis on a 'sample' basis. You could ring up Mullard Labs at Teddington and talk to a tech guy with real knowledge about valve characteristics. Everything had a buzz about it. Ridiculous to imagine it could last but great at the time.
>> 
>> As to the Brexit question its impact is so wide ranging as to make strict adherence to the forum's 'no politics' mantra difficult to maintain. Where the mentions touch on issues discussed in temperate language and far from rants I personally find them reasonable.
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
>> Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 1:11 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
>> 
>> 
>>> On 09/03/2024 12:35, A Barber via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Dear Chaps
>>> 
>>> You may be interested in the recent WHAT HI_FI newsletter. It mentions the dreaded Brexit and thought you may be interested.
>>> Fondest and thanks to all.
>>> 
>> Thanks for posting that, Albert.
>> 
>> And yes, despite the political fragility of mentioning the word on this
>> forum, the economic one of Brexit is critical because it does indeed
>> impact enormously on this industry. While the temporary devaluing of the
>> currency aided some exporting, all economic authorities now agree that
>> Brexit has been an unequivocal set-back to UK trade.
>> 
>> As the article points out we do not have a component manufacturing base
>> in this country - nor could we ever set one up. So almost all parts must
>> be bought in with increased price and administrative delay. And in the
>> reverse direction no British manufacturer - assembler would be a more
>> accurate term - can afford to sell to a purely local market. As a
>> third-world country with few useful alliances, most exports are now
>> subject to similar outward tariffs and delays too - a double whammy.
>> 
>> It also points out that ownership of the mainstay companies is gradually
>> leaking away from Britain, and that is unlikely to change. Rather as
>> with such wonderfully hypocritical supporters of Leaving, such as Dyson,
>> and Jim Ratcliffe with his Grenadier, the general trend is to shift
>> manufacturing elsewhere, with the benefits of easier product line flow
>> in both directions.
>> 
>> We are probably stuck with these unfortunate economic drags until it
>> becomes feasible to change political leanings and persuade the country
>> to accept a more engaged commercial stance - something that will take a
>> few years to achieve.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions
>> 
>> 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 10 05:59:07 2024
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:59:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
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From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 12:16:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
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From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 13:11:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
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From philiptyler at me.com  Sun Mar 10 09:40:26 2024
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:40:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
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From royadcock98 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 09:42:23 2024
From: royadcock98 at gmail.com (Roy Adcock)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:42:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Film Transfer
Message-ID: <2f9566b6-49f2-43a7-8965-4e3a2e435e01@gmail.com>

Help please.
My brother-in-law has rediscovered some cans of family films and I am 
wondering if anyone has a recommendation for getting them digitised.
Any help would be appreciated along with the best way of storing them in 
the future.
Roy Adcock
royadcock98 at gmail.com





From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Mar 10 09:56:07 2024
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:56:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
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On 10/03/2024 10:59, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote:
> Alibaba has numerous clones of classic Brit hi fi
> How could we ever compete ?

In the mature Hi-Fi market, we probably can't, but there are many other 
tech industries where we could. There are brains and even the potential 
for enthusiasm in this country. However, it does tend to be flattened 
easily. We need a government that is more competent and forward-thinking 
- and probably a bigger-state version rather than smaller-state. That's 
based on looking at the evidence of the whole post-war period, and what 
other (mostly European) countries have achieved.

> Brexit made no difference

I admire your stalwart position, even if the consensus disagrees.


> The Germans never bought British hifi
Maybe, but they certainly have some very interesting new ideas in the 
audio market, and digital audio would be a long way behind without them.
> Compared to the US ?Europe is moribund , a museum

If we are limited to the audio world, the US is the country that 
worships the museum - they are the retro kings, and much of it is pretty 
dire. On the broader front the US has appalling political and 
environmental problems, which sadly impact on all of us, rather than 
just their commerce.

Chris



> Roger
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 18:17, A Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? My first amps were Armstrongs?.Where are they now? See below
>> I went a little place to get one fixed in the East end as the factory 
>> had closed.
>> Interesting From Wiki
>>
>> Initially created to manufacture portable radios, during World War II 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II>?their factory was used 
>> to manufacture radios, public address systems, and various electronic 
>> parts. After the war, they began to produce television sets, as well 
>> as long range radios for ships, but eventually ceased production of 
>> those lines to manufacture radios, amplifiers and tuners for home 
>> consumer use. In the 1950s when the high fidelity 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fidelity>?market began to take 
>> shape, the company name was changed to Armstrong Audio and they 
>> focused their marketing and manufacturing at becoming hi-fi specialists.
>> During the 1960s and 1970s they were extremely successful, creating 
>> several durable radio models which are still in use by consumers 
>> today, but by the end of the 1970s their lease on their factory ran 
>> out and it was decided not to invest in a new one.^[2] 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Audio#cite_note-Factory_Map-2> 
>> The building was torn down and the owners redeveloped it. Using plans 
>> developed for a further radio model, some of the staff continued on 
>> as Armstrong Amplifiers, but due to a lack of capital and suitable 
>> manufacturing space, production did not last long.^[1] 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Audio#cite_note-Brief_History-1> 
>>
>>
>> Today, what once was Armstrong Audio is now called Armstrong Hi-Fi 
>> and Video Services and is based in Walthamstow 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walthamstow>, and they provide 
>> maintenance contract to a number of retail stores.
>>
>>
>>
>> <s-l1600-1.jpeg>
>> <s-l1600.jpeg>
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 17:23, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, QUAD is now owned by IAG, International Audio Group, based in Asia
>>>
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 16:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Very interesting article Albert and an excellent r?sum? from 
>>>> Chris.. Seeing KEF included in the discourse took me back to the 
>>>> 1960s when I was building a pair of K1 monitors (remember them - 
>>>> huge great 18" x 14" woofers) and I couldn't get the Mutocell 
>>>> panels which were used in the design for damping purposes. KEF's 
>>>> co-founder, the brilliant Raymond Cooke personally brought some 
>>>> down to my flat in Croydon which felt to me like Royalty visiting. 
>>>> KEF now part of the inexorable trend highlighted in the article, 
>>>> being part of the Hong Kong based Gold Peak Technology Group.
>>>>
>>>> Those pioneering days were brilliant for enthusiasts. I built amps 
>>>> to the Arthur Radford design and couldn't get the specially matched 
>>>> twin gang potentiometers but Plessey sent me some gratis on a 
>>>> 'sample' basis. You could ring up Mullard Labs at Teddington and 
>>>> talk to a tech guy with real knowledge about valve characteristics. 
>>>> Everything had a buzz about it. Ridiculous to imagine it could last 
>>>> but great at the time.
>>>>
>>>> As to the Brexit question its impact is so wide ranging as to make 
>>>> strict adherence to the forum's 'no politics' mantra difficult to 
>>>> maintain. Where the mentions touch on issues discussed in temperate 
>>>> language and far from rants I personally find them reasonable.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 1:11 PM
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/03/2024 12:35, A Barber via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Dear Chaps
>>>>>
>>>>> You may be interested in the recent WHAT HI_FI newsletter. It 
>>>>> mentions the dreaded Brexit and thought you may be interested.
>>>>> Fondest and thanks to all.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting that, Albert.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, despite the political fragility of mentioning the word on this
>>>> forum, the economic one of Brexit is critical because it does indeed
>>>> impact enormously on this industry. While the temporary devaluing 
>>>> of the
>>>> currency aided some exporting, all economic authorities now agree that
>>>> Brexit has been an unequivocal set-back to UK trade.
>>>>
>>>> As the article points out we do not have a component manufacturing base
>>>> in this country - nor could we ever set one up. So almost all parts 
>>>> must
>>>> be bought in with increased price and administrative delay. And in the
>>>> reverse direction no British manufacturer - assembler would be a more
>>>> accurate term - can afford to sell to a purely local market. As a
>>>> third-world country with few useful alliances, most exports are now
>>>> subject to similar outward tariffs and delays too - a double whammy.
>>>>
>>>> It also points out that ownership of the mainstay companies is 
>>>> gradually
>>>> leaking away from Britain, and that is unlikely to change. Rather as
>>>> with such wonderfully hypocritical supporters of Leaving, such as 
>>>> Dyson,
>>>> and Jim Ratcliffe with his Grenadier, the general trend is to shift
>>>> manufacturing elsewhere, with the benefits of easier product line flow
>>>> in both directions.
>>>>
>>>> We are probably stuck with these unfortunate economic drags until it
>>>> becomes feasible to change political leanings and persuade the country
>>>> to accept a more engaged commercial stance - something that will take a
>>>> few years to achieve.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions
>>>>
>>>>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Mar 10 10:12:45 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:12:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Film Transfer
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Hi Roy,
I hope you are well?

Kodak offer a transfer service out of Camden (or via other addresses, but looks like it always goes to Camden for proccessing)

If it was me, I would get them to transfer to DVD then I Would convert to MP4 Using VCL on my laptop. DVD is easy to keep long term and the files could be stored on USBs or online storage (Dropbox, Google drive or ICloud etc for easy access?

Unless you can find a personal recommendation  for another provider, at least Kodak is a known name.

See 

https://london-video-cine.co.uk/How-to-Order.html


I hope this helps (I have not used them, but keep meaning too!)

PAUL


Paul Thackray

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PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

+44 7802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 10 March 2024 14:43
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: royadcock98 at gmail.com
Subject: [Tech1] Film Transfer


Help please.
My brother-in-law has rediscovered some cans of family films and I am
wondering if anyone has a recommendation for getting them digitised.
Any help would be appreciated along with the best way of storing them in
the future.
Roy Adcock
royadcock98 at gmail.com




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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Mar 10 10:16:10 2024
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:16:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
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Well Naim is French now, and Roksan is absorbed into Monitor Audio. SME 
largely makes its money in other precision engineering fields outside 
the audio world.

Many UK companies hung on to the analogue world for too long, and failed 
to see the need to dive into the digital one. Rather as with the UK 
motorcycle industry, it believed in itself for too long, and in not 
needing to update its ideas - so it got caught napping by the Japanese.

Chris Woolf


On 10/03/2024 14:40, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote:
> Cyrus <https://www.cyrusaudio.com>?and Naim <https://www.naimaudio.com>
> Are two ?proud to be British Hi-Fi manufacturers.
>
> There are still a number of British makers:
> ATC
> Monitor Audio
> Chord Electronics
> Harbreth
> Roksan
> Rega
> SME
> To name a few.
>
> My system comprises a Roksan Caspian CD player. A Cyrus 8XpD amp and a 
> Cyrus X Power separate power amp, which are used to biamp my Monitor 
> Audio speakers.
>
> Cyrus do upgrades/services to their equipment which costs around 
> ?300+. The Roksan Caspian is also available to be serviced and 
> upgraded. The last time I sent it in, it didn?t cost me anything.
>
> Philip and Bee
>
> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
>
>> On 10 Mar 2024, at 12:17, B Wilkinson via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? I have bought Arcam AV amplifiers for many years. A British make 
>> but probably made in China. I think their first batch many years ago 
>> had to be returned in bulk due to poor quality but my later ones have 
>> all been reliable ?.so far.
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 10 Mar 2024, at 11:00, Roger Long via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? Even my beloved Nagra VI was Chinese made ,assembled in Switzerland
>>> It?s all down to quality control
>>> Alibaba has numerous clones of classic Brit hi fi
>>> How could we ever compete ?
>>> Brexit made no difference
>>> The Germans never bought British hifi
>>> Compared to the US ?Europe is moribund , a museum
>>> Roger
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 18:17, A Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? My first amps were Armstrongs?.Where are they now? See below
>>>> I went a little place to get one fixed in the East end as the 
>>>> factory had closed.
>>>> Interesting From Wiki
>>>>
>>>> Initially created to manufacture portable radios, during World War 
>>>> II <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II>?their factory was 
>>>> used to manufacture radios, public address systems, and various 
>>>> electronic parts. After the war, they began to produce television 
>>>> sets, as well as long range radios for ships, but eventually ceased 
>>>> production of those lines to manufacture radios, amplifiers and 
>>>> tuners for home consumer use. In the 1950s when the high fidelity 
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fidelity>?market began to take 
>>>> shape, the company name was changed to Armstrong Audio and they 
>>>> focused their marketing and manufacturing at becoming hi-fi 
>>>> specialists.
>>>> During the 1960s and 1970s they were extremely successful, creating 
>>>> several durable radio models which are still in use by consumers 
>>>> today, but by the end of the 1970s their lease on their factory ran 
>>>> out and it was decided not to invest in a new one.^[2] 
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Audio#cite_note-Factory_Map-2> 
>>>> The building was torn down and the owners redeveloped it. Using 
>>>> plans developed for a further radio model, some of the staff 
>>>> continued on as Armstrong Amplifiers, but due to a lack of capital 
>>>> and suitable manufacturing space, production did not last long.^[1] 
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Audio#cite_note-Brief_History-1> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today, what once was Armstrong Audio is now called Armstrong Hi-Fi 
>>>> and Video Services and is based in Walthamstow 
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walthamstow>, and they provide 
>>>> maintenance contract to a number of retail stores.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <s-l1600-1.jpeg>
>>>> <s-l1600.jpeg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 17:23, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, QUAD is now owned by IAG, International Audio Group, based 
>>>>> in Asia
>>>>>
>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>
>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 Mar 2024, at 16:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Very interesting article Albert and an excellent r?sum? from 
>>>>>> Chris.. Seeing KEF included in the discourse took me back to the 
>>>>>> 1960s when I was building a pair of K1 monitors (remember them - 
>>>>>> huge great 18" x 14" woofers) and I couldn't get the Mutocell 
>>>>>> panels which were used in the design for damping purposes. KEF's 
>>>>>> co-founder, the brilliant Raymond Cooke personally brought some 
>>>>>> down to my flat in Croydon which felt to me like Royalty 
>>>>>> visiting. KEF now part of the inexorable trend highlighted in the 
>>>>>> article, being part of the Hong Kong based Gold Peak Technology 
>>>>>> Group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those pioneering days were brilliant for enthusiasts. I built 
>>>>>> amps to the Arthur Radford design and couldn't get the specially 
>>>>>> matched twin gang potentiometers but Plessey sent me some gratis 
>>>>>> on a 'sample' basis. You could ring up Mullard Labs at Teddington 
>>>>>> and talk to a tech guy with real knowledge about valve 
>>>>>> characteristics. Everything had a buzz about it. Ridiculous to 
>>>>>> imagine it could last but great at the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the Brexit question its impact is so wide ranging as to 
>>>>>> make strict adherence to the forum's 'no politics' mantra 
>>>>>> difficult to maintain. Where the mentions touch on issues 
>>>>>> discussed in temperate language and far from rants I personally 
>>>>>> find them reasonable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 1:11 PM
>>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/03/2024 12:35, A Barber via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Chaps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may be interested in the recent WHAT HI_FI newsletter. It 
>>>>>>> mentions the dreaded Brexit and thought you may be interested.
>>>>>>> Fondest and thanks to all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for posting that, Albert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yes, despite the political fragility of mentioning the word 
>>>>>> on this
>>>>>> forum, the economic one of Brexit is critical because it does indeed
>>>>>> impact enormously on this industry. While the temporary devaluing 
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> currency aided some exporting, all economic authorities now agree 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> Brexit has been an unequivocal set-back to UK trade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the article points out we do not have a component 
>>>>>> manufacturing base
>>>>>> in this country - nor could we ever set one up. So almost all 
>>>>>> parts must
>>>>>> be bought in with increased price and administrative delay. And 
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> reverse direction no British manufacturer - assembler would be a more
>>>>>> accurate term - can afford to sell to a purely local market. As a
>>>>>> third-world country with few useful alliances, most exports are now
>>>>>> subject to similar outward tariffs and delays too - a double whammy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also points out that ownership of the mainstay companies is 
>>>>>> gradually
>>>>>> leaking away from Britain, and that is unlikely to change. Rather as
>>>>>> with such wonderfully hypocritical supporters of Leaving, such as 
>>>>>> Dyson,
>>>>>> and Jim Ratcliffe with his Grenadier, the general trend is to shift
>>>>>> manufacturing elsewhere, with the benefits of easier product line 
>>>>>> flow
>>>>>> in both directions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are probably stuck with these unfortunate economic drags until it
>>>>>> becomes feasible to change political leanings and persuade the 
>>>>>> country
>>>>>> to accept a more engaged commercial stance - something that will 
>>>>>> take a
>>>>>> few years to achieve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From relong at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 10 17:47:02 2024
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 22:47:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What Hifi TECH
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Mar 11 03:44:08 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:44:08 +0000
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Mar 11 03:54:33 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:54:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
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I bought a pair of Spendor BC1s in the mid-70s for around the same price. Still giving perfect service though SWMBO used to complain about the size when they were in the living room.

> On 11 Mar 2024, at 08:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be interested in this article about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous small monitoring speaker.
> 
> I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per pair.  Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.
> 
> Alan
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Mar 11 04:20:19 2024
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 09:20:19 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
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I have a pair of the Rogers version (bought to replace more conveniently my home made 12? pair ? still being used as a bedside shelf)
One still sits unconnected on the shelf behind the TV and the other sleeping in my now full of mostly redundant and not interconnected bits in a nice shelving unit
Perhaps I ought to put them on e-bay since I rarely listen to god loud music in the living room!

Mike

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 8:44 AM
To: tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a

Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be interested in this article about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous small monitoring speaker. 

I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per pair.  Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.

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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 04:53:55 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 09:53:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
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At one point, Chartwell offered kits for self assembly to BBC staff. 
Price was IIRC ?70, so quite a bargain. My pair are ceiling mounted in 
the bedroom - which also doubled as an office in the days of desktop 
computers. And if anything get more use now, in the more wakeful old age 
days of being in bed.

I also have a Rogers pair which I was told were ex TV-AM, and very tatty 
cabinets. Which I re-veneered. They are in the kitchen and on most of 
the day for R4 or TV sound.

I've yet to hear anything of that size which sounds as good on speech. 
And music which doesn't need the very best bass end.

On 11/03/2024 08:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be 
> interested in this article 
> <https://www.whathifi.com/features/musical-fidelitys-ls35a-and-the-enduring-appeal-of-bbc-inspired-small-speakers>?about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous small monitoring speaker.
> 
> I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the late 
> 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per pair. 
>  ?Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these 
> days, I wish I had bought more.
> 
> Alan
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 05:18:01 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 10:18:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Film Transfer
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Dear Roy,

Take a look at these people:

https://www.images4life.com/

A friend had good results with some underexposed Std8mm material.

They use a sprocketless transport for scanning frame by frame.
Can be stored as DVD or various video files.

SD cards do not take up much room.

If you wish to store the actual film, the spools should be flat,
not on edge.

Years ago I achieved good results by re-photographing a small projected 
picture
with a Sony Betacam, with electronic shutter to minimise flicker
and white balancing with a 1/4 blue on the projector lens.
But I no longer have access to the camera.

Best
Pat Heigham
TVC 1962-69

On 10/03/2024 14:42, Roy Adcock via Tech1 wrote:
> Help please.
> My brother-in-law has rediscovered some cans of family films and I am 
> wondering if anyone has a recommendation for getting them digitised.
> Any help would be appreciated along with the best way of storing them 
> in the future.
> Roy Adcock
> royadcock98 at gmail.com
>
>
>
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From philiptyler at me.com  Mon Mar 11 05:48:33 2024
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 10:48:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
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References: <8714BE82-B9BF-4ABD-A62D-E15CB3DFE245@me.com>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Mar 11 06:43:40 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 11:43:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam phone call
Message-ID: <4E5AAA47-812C-4833-8B02-B3B3BDCB3DB3@me.com>

My wife just got a call on her mobile and started laughing.  It was a robot call claiming to contain  ?An urgent message from Her Majesty?s Customs and Excise?.  

She deduced that if it was genuine, they might have realised that we now have a king. 

Alan

From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 07:12:09 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:12:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam phone call
In-Reply-To: <4E5AAA47-812C-4833-8B02-B3B3BDCB3DB3@me.com>
References: <4E5AAA47-812C-4833-8B02-B3B3BDCB3DB3@me.com>
Message-ID: <238aaae0-e392-45f5-86d2-82fdf83f1e93@gmail.com>

This should be reported to:

www.actionfraud.police.uk

They are grateful for information to enable a close down of the 
perpetrators.

I got another, which was genuine, from my bank. It had been picked up
that there was a possible fraudulent transaction on one of my credit cards.
Talking to my bank, I was told that the card had been cancelled and a 
new card
issued. This arrived via Royal Mail, the very next morning!

A refund to my card account was also promised, but not seen that yet!.

Pat H



tOn 11/03/2024 11:43, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

> My wife just got a call on her mobile and started laughing.  It was a robot call claiming to contain  ?An urgent message from Her Majesty?s Customs and Excise?.
>
> She deduced that if it was genuine, they might have realised that we now have a king.
>
> Alan
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 11 07:15:51 2024
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:15:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
In-Reply-To: <C1576D41-1C40-459B-B236-5F0BE3B2CC33@me.com>
References: <8714BE82-B9BF-4ABD-A62D-E15CB3DFE245@me.com>
	<C1576D41-1C40-459B-B236-5F0BE3B2CC33@me.com>
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Hi Phil,
	Yes, they?re still working well and providing soothing classic music in my kitchen/diner!
Barry.



On 11 Mar 2024, at 10:48, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Barry Bonner bought my BBC LS3/5a?s, still going strong as far as I know.
> 
> Philip and Bee
> 
> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
> 
>> On 11 Mar 2024, at 08:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be interested in this article about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous small monitoring speaker.
>> 
>> I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per pair.  Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.
>> 
>> Alan
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Mar 11 07:25:58 2024
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:25:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
In-Reply-To: <487DBDD1C88A404F883194D0831F47AD@Gigabyte>
References: <8714BE82-B9BF-4ABD-A62D-E15CB3DFE245@me.com>
	<487DBDD1C88A404F883194D0831F47AD@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <ef557254-3341-45cf-9066-a982ca737969@chriswoolf.co.uk>

The LS3/5a was indeed a wonderful speaker, and a radically different 
approach at the time. However it is really an antique nowadays. A great 
deal has been learnt about speakers since that design, and the reverence 
for it needs to be tempered. We know a lot more about diffraction at 
cabinet edges, about non-linearity of positive and negative excursions 
with small diameter/large excursion cones, about power efficiency and 
signal level limiting with small sealed enclosures, etc ....

Just as we can admire older designs of all sorts of things we shouldn't 
be blind to fact that they have mostly been improved upon in functional 
and technical senses.

Chris Woolf


On 11/03/2024 09:20, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> I have a pair of the Rogers version (bought to replace more 
> conveniently my home made 12? pair ? still being used as a bedside shelf)
> One still sits unconnected on the shelf behind the TV and the other 
> sleeping in my now full of mostly redundant and not interconnected 
> bits in a nice shelving unit
> Perhaps I ought to put them on e-bay since I rarely listen to god loud 
> music in the living room!
> Mike
> *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2024 8:44 AM
> *To:* tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
> Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be 
> interested in this article 
> <https://www.whathifi.com/features/musical-fidelitys-ls35a-and-the-enduring-appeal-of-bbc-inspired-small-speakers> 
> about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous 
> small monitoring speaker.
> I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the 
> late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per 
> pair.? Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on 
> eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.
> Alan
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Mar 11 07:56:04 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:56:04 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
In-Reply-To: <8714BE82-B9BF-4ABD-A62D-E15CB3DFE245@me.com>
References: <8714BE82-B9BF-4ABD-A62D-E15CB3DFE245@me.com>
Message-ID: <A5A695488F8B4677BE3084148C9E6552@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Interesting article indeed. Also worth a read is this from Harbeth?s website, Harbeth being one of the commercial organisations manufacturing to the BBC design. Attached as a Word Doc to save the bother of looking it up.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 8:44 AM
To: tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a

Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be interested in this article about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous small monitoring speaker. 

I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per pair.  Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.

Alan


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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Mar 11 08:04:55 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 13:04:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 08:44:25 2024
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 13:44:25 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
In-Reply-To: <A23D6583-A83D-4F08-9B43-BDEB67E519BA@me.com>
References: <67FA6255-6948-48F3-8E9F-C2D13BF549FF@btinternet.com>
	<A23D6583-A83D-4F08-9B43-BDEB67E519BA@me.com>
Message-ID: <003701da73ba$3bd691c0$b383b540$@gmail.com>

I have a pair of BBC Rogers LS3/5a speakers that are surplus to my requirements. They were stereo matched by Swisstone/Rogers some years ago and have not been used since, and reside currently in Twickenham, if anyone is interested.

David Denness

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 1:05 PM
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a

 

I?ve previously mentioned that I have a compact HiFi unit in our bedroom which has two independent stereo outputs.  One to the speakers in the bedroom, the other to a speaker in the en-suite ceiling. The remote control allows us to set different levels for each room.

 

This was done at my wife?s request after we stayed in a hotel where there was a speaker within the mains sockets in the bathroom ( obviously not in the U.K. ). I didn?t like the tinny sound and said I?d do it properly.

 

She was raving about it to a friend of hers who then wanted the same thing at her home.  Her husband bought an identical compact, HiFi, recycled some pretty decent speakers in the bedroom and bought an identical speaker to mine for their bathroom.

 

I had opted for a 6? speaker with twin voice coils and two angled tweeters.  There was no obvious orientation for left and right because it varies, depending on where you are in the en-suite, one decent sounding speaker seemed to be a good option and indeed it is. 

 

The chap contacted me again and said that the speaker was rubbish.  It sounded worse than a cheap transistor radio. I went round to have a look and it was immediately obvious that he had got the phase wrong.

 

It was an easy problem to identify and solve, but what was impressive was just how much audio is cancelled out when the two coils of the one bass driver are anti-phase and the tweeters are out of phase too.  It really did sound hideous.

 

Alan

 





On 11 Mar 2024, at 12:15, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com <mailto:barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> > wrote:

?Hi Phil,

              Yes, they?re still working well and providing soothing classic music in my kitchen/diner!

Barry.

 

 

On 11 Mar 2024, at 10:48, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:





Barry Bonner bought my BBC LS3/5a?s, still going strong as far as I know.

 

Philip and Bee

 

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/





On 11 Mar 2024, at 08:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be interested in this article <https://www.whathifi.com/features/musical-fidelitys-ls35a-and-the-enduring-appeal-of-bbc-inspired-small-speakers>  about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous small monitoring speaker.

 

I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per pair.  Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.

 

Alan

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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 11:19:18 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 16:19:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
In-Reply-To: <A23D6583-A83D-4F08-9B43-BDEB67E519BA@me.com>
References: <67FA6255-6948-48F3-8E9F-C2D13BF549FF@btinternet.com>
	<A23D6583-A83D-4F08-9B43-BDEB67E519BA@me.com>
Message-ID: <7a43c651-e695-4ff1-9963-1658b15c4b24@gmail.com>

I have ancient Maplin 8" ceiling speakers in the bathroom. Came with 
100v line transformers - discarded. They have their own amp, and with a 
bit of EQ sound nice enough.

On 11/03/2024 13:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?ve previously mentioned that I have a compact HiFi unit in our 
> bedroom which has two independent stereo outputs. ?One to the speakers 
> in the bedroom, the other to a speaker in the en-suite ceiling. The 
> remote control allows us to set different levels for each room.
>
> This was done at my wife?s request after we stayed in a hotel where 
> there was a speaker within the mains sockets in the bathroom ( 
> obviously not in the U.K. ). I didn?t like the tinny sound and said 
> I?d do it properly.
>
> She was raving about it to a friend of hers who then wanted the same 
> thing at her home. ?Her husband bought an identical compact, HiFi, 
> recycled some pretty decent speakers in the bedroom and bought an 
> identical speaker to mine for their bathroom.
>
> I had opted for a 6? speaker with twin voice coils and two angled 
> tweeters. ?There was no obvious orientation for left and right because 
> it varies, depending on where you are in the en-suite, one decent 
> sounding speaker seemed to be a good option and indeed it is.
>
> The chap contacted me again and said that the speaker was rubbish. ?It 
> sounded worse than a cheap transistor radio. I went round to have a 
> look and it was immediately obvious that he had got the phase wrong.
>
> It was an easy problem to identify and solve, but what was impressive 
> was just how much audio is cancelled out when the two coils of the one 
> bass driver are anti-phase and the tweeters are out of phase too. ?It 
> really did sound hideous.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 11 Mar 2024, at 12:15, Barry Bonner 
>> <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? Hi Phil,
>> Yes, they?re still working well and providing soothing classic music 
>> in my kitchen/diner!
>> Barry.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 Mar 2024, at 10:48, Philip Tyler via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Barry Bonner bought my BBC LS3/5a?s, still going strong as far as I 
>>> know.
>>>
>>> Philip and Bee
>>>
>>> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
>>>
>>>> On 11 Mar 2024, at 08:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you 
>>>> might be interested in this article 
>>>> <https://www.whathifi.com/features/musical-fidelitys-ls35a-and-the-enduring-appeal-of-bbc-inspired-small-speakers>?about 
>>>> the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous 
>>>> small monitoring speaker.
>>>>
>>>> I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the 
>>>> late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 
>>>> per pair. ?Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for 
>>>> on eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
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>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 13:43:48 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 18:43:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
In-Reply-To: <003701da73ba$3bd691c0$b383b540$@gmail.com>
References: <67FA6255-6948-48F3-8E9F-C2D13BF549FF@btinternet.com>
	<A23D6583-A83D-4F08-9B43-BDEB67E519BA@me.com>
	<003701da73ba$3bd691c0$b383b540$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20ab72f9-bc3c-48b3-ae18-17a4511b6a04@gmail.com>

This could be of interest:- ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256435758372

On 11/03/2024 13:44, ohbytheway.tv--- via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I have a pair of BBC Rogers LS3/5a speakers that are surplus to my 
> requirements. They were stereo matched by Swisstone/Rogers some years 
> ago and have not been used since, and reside currently in Twickenham, 
> if anyone is interested.
>
> David Denness
>
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Alan Taylor 
> via Tech1
> *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2024 1:05 PM
> *To:* tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
>
> I?ve previously mentioned that I have a compact HiFi unit in our 
> bedroom which has two independent stereo outputs. ?One to the speakers 
> in the bedroom, the other to a speaker in the en-suite ceiling. The 
> remote control allows us to set different levels for each room.
>
> This was done at my wife?s request after we stayed in a hotel where 
> there was a speaker within the mains sockets in the bathroom ( 
> obviously not in the U.K. ). I didn?t like the tinny sound and said 
> I?d do it properly.
>
> She was raving about it to a friend of hers who then wanted the same 
> thing at her home. ?Her husband bought an identical compact, HiFi, 
> recycled some pretty decent speakers in the bedroom and bought an 
> identical speaker to mine for their bathroom.
>
> I had opted for a 6? speaker with twin voice coils and two angled 
> tweeters. ?There was no obvious orientation for left and right because 
> it varies, depending on where you are in the en-suite, one decent 
> sounding speaker seemed to be a good option and indeed it is.
>
> The chap contacted me again and said that the speaker was rubbish. ?It 
> sounded worse than a cheap transistor radio. I went round to have a 
> look and it was immediately obvious that he had got the phase wrong.
>
> It was an easy problem to identify and solve, but what was impressive 
> was just how much audio is cancelled out when the two coils of the one 
> bass driver are anti-phase and the tweeters are out of phase too. ?It 
> really did sound hideous.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>     On 11 Mar 2024, at 12:15, Barry Bonner
>     <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>     ?Hi Phil,
>
>     Yes, they?re still working well and providing soothing classic
>     music in my kitchen/diner!
>
>     /Barry./
>
>     On 11 Mar 2024, at 10:48, Philip Tyler via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>         Barry Bonner bought my BBC LS3/5a?s, still going strong as far
>         as I know.
>
>         Philip and Bee
>
>         https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
>
>
>
>             On 11 Mar 2024, at 08:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1
>             <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>             ?Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of
>             you might be interested in this article
>             <https://www.whathifi.com/features/musical-fidelitys-ls35a-and-the-enduring-appeal-of-bbc-inspired-small-speakers>?about
>             the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s
>             ubiquitous small monitoring speaker.
>
>             I still use a pair of original ones which were bought
>             either in the late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC
>             staff price of about ?250 per pair. ?Having seen what
>             speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these
>             days, I wish I had bought more.
>
>             Alan
>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Tue Mar 12 13:36:57 2024
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 18:36:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
Message-ID: <9afme9q545qmfcf6m6uq8xc3.1710268617674@email.android.com>

Oh dear, Ebay now think I am in the market for expensive speakers, and are sending me links

Doug Puddifoot

On 11 March 2024, at 18:43, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

This could be of interest:- ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256435758372

On 11/03/2024 13:44, ohbytheway.tv--- via Tech1 wrote:

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I have a pair of BBC Rogers LS3/5a speakers that are surplus to my requirements. They were stereo matched by Swisstone/Rogers some years ago and have not been used since, and reside currently in Twickenham, if anyone is interested.

David Denness

?

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 1:05 PM
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a

?

I?ve previously mentioned that I have a compact HiFi unit in our bedroom which has two independent stereo outputs. ?One to the speakers in the bedroom, the other to a speaker in the en-suite ceiling. The remote control allows us to set different levels for each room.

?

This was done at my wife?s request after we stayed in a hotel where there was a speaker within the mains sockets in the bathroom ( obviously not in the U.K. ). I didn?t like the tinny sound and said I?d do it properly.

?

She was raving about it to a friend of hers who then wanted the same thing at her home. ?Her husband bought an identical compact, HiFi, recycled some pretty decent speakers in the bedroom and bought an identical speaker to mine for their bathroom.

?

I had opted for a 6? speaker with twin voice coils and two angled tweeters. ?There was no obvious orientation for left and right because it varies, depending on where you are in the en-suite, one decent sounding speaker seemed to be a good option and indeed it is.?

?

The chap contacted me again and said that the speaker was rubbish. ?It sounded worse than a cheap transistor radio. I went round to have a look and it was immediately obvious that he had got the phase wrong.

?

It was an easy problem to identify and solve, but what was impressive was just how much audio is cancelled out when the two coils of the one bass driver are anti-phase and the tweeters are out of phase too. ?It really did sound hideous.

?

Alan

?



On 11 Mar 2024, at 12:15, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:

?Hi Phil,

????????????? Yes, they?re still working well and providing soothing classic music in my kitchen/diner!

Barry.

?

?

On 11 Mar 2024, at 10:48, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



Barry Bonner bought my BBC LS3/5a?s, still going strong as far as I know.

?

Philip and Bee

?

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/



On 11 Mar 2024, at 08:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be interested in?this article?about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous small monitoring speaker.

?

I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per pair. ?Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.

?

Alan

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From ware.nick at aol.com  Tue Mar 12 16:41:00 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 21:41:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
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Test. Success?
N.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Mar 12 16:54:02 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 21:54:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <09E8C00F-98B8-47C2-89C3-5DD8D545B69C@aol.com>
References: <09E8C00F-98B8-47C2-89C3-5DD8D545B69C.ref@aol.com>
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Success

> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:41, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Test. Success?
> N.
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 12 18:02:05 2024
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (A Barber)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:02:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
In-Reply-To: <9afme9q545qmfcf6m6uq8xc3.1710268617674@email.android.com>
References: <9afme9q545qmfcf6m6uq8xc3.1710268617674@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <A5D2DCB1-4000-4A17-9710-5D406C17CE53@btinternet.com>

Anyone got some spare cash?

Thought this was interesting?.. Different from the cost of my old 16 mm Rolex

https://www.cinevision-solutions.com/category/auctions/a-2/?

Albert

> On 12 Mar 2024, at 18:36, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Oh dear, Ebay now think I am in the market for expensive speakers, and are sending me links
> 
> Doug Puddifoot
> 
> 
> 
> On 11 March 2024, at 18:43, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> 
> This could be of interest:- ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256435758372
> 
> On 11/03/2024 13:44, ohbytheway.tv <http://ohbytheway.tv/>--- via Tech1 wrote:
>> I have a pair of BBC Rogers LS3/5a speakers that are surplus to my requirements. They were stereo matched by Swisstone/Rogers some years ago and have not been used since, and reside currently in Twickenham, if anyone is interested.
>> David Denness
>>  
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2024 1:05 PM
>> To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC LS3/5a
>>  
>> I?ve previously mentioned that I have a compact HiFi unit in our bedroom which has two independent stereo outputs.  One to the speakers in the bedroom, the other to a speaker in the en-suite ceiling. The remote control allows us to set different levels for each room.
>>  
>> This was done at my wife?s request after we stayed in a hotel where there was a speaker within the mains sockets in the bathroom ( obviously not in the U.K. ). I didn?t like the tinny sound and said I?d do it properly.
>>  
>> She was raving about it to a friend of hers who then wanted the same thing at her home.  Her husband bought an identical compact, HiFi, recycled some pretty decent speakers in the bedroom and bought an identical speaker to mine for their bathroom.
>>  
>> I had opted for a 6? speaker with twin voice coils and two angled tweeters.  There was no obvious orientation for left and right because it varies, depending on where you are in the en-suite, one decent sounding speaker seemed to be a good option and indeed it is. 
>>  
>> The chap contacted me again and said that the speaker was rubbish.  It sounded worse than a cheap transistor radio. I went round to have a look and it was immediately obvious that he had got the phase wrong.
>>  
>> It was an easy problem to identify and solve, but what was impressive was just how much audio is cancelled out when the two coils of the one bass driver are anti-phase and the tweeters are out of phase too.  It really did sound hideous.
>>  
>> Alan
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 Mar 2024, at 12:15, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com <mailto:barrybonner119 at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Phil,
>>               Yes, they?re still working well and providing soothing classic music in my kitchen/diner!
>> Barry.
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> On 11 Mar 2024, at 10:48, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Barry Bonner bought my BBC LS3/5a?s, still going strong as far as I know.
>>  
>> Philip and Bee
>>  
>> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 Mar 2024, at 08:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Following the discussions of various HiFi topics, some of you might be interested in this article <https://www.whathifi.com/features/musical-fidelitys-ls35a-and-the-enduring-appeal-of-bbc-inspired-small-speakers> about the history, design and modern version of the BBC?s ubiquitous small monitoring speaker.
>>  
>> I still use a pair of original ones which were bought either in the late 70s or early 80s for a special BBC staff price of about ?250 per pair.  Having seen what speakers like that are being listed for on eBay these days, I wish I had bought more.
>>  
>> Alan
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Mar 12 18:04:54 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:04:54 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
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Ditto!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 9:41 PM 
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Test. Success?
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 12 18:10:46 2024
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (A Barber)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:10:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <9B28A4CD5CA14DA0AB82552294DE0AFA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <09E8C00F-98B8-47C2-89C3-5DD8D545B69C.ref@aol.com>
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IF you have the energy here is something to read before bed time zzzzzzz Interesting nonetheless
Albert



https://www.whathifi.com/features/musical-fidelitys-ls35a-and-the-enduring-appeal-of-bbc-inspired-small-speakers?utm_term=DEAD33E5-D2E4-407C-BF5D-D5A0D6D61C19&lrh=a38c02ef1e69f9ff20f3b9e1b286372b085a5156565d50a579dfdec581578777&utm_campaign=E632F623-34B1-4EBE-B56C-3D5896DC5E2A&utm_medium=email&utm_content=F2237581-9BA8-402E-B648-5DDC56E2BF9C&utm_source=SmartBrief?
Musical Fidelity's LS3/5A and the enduring appeal of BBC-inspired small speakers
whathifi.com


> On 12 Mar 2024, at 23:04, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Ditto!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 9:41 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Test 
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From ware.nick at aol.com  Wed Mar 13 03:30:38 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 08:30:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <8CF38DB4-A151-4080-8973-743562187DA7@icloud.com>
References: <8CF38DB4-A151-4080-8973-743562187DA7@icloud.com>
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OK, thanks. I was wondering because I kept getting ?failed to connect to the AOL server ?? ( or words to that effect).
And one that I sent a few days ago that I thought might get some interesting comments (on the subject of drama sound quality) got no response, which seemed surprising. If it was seen, I?d love to read people?s opinions! It?s a topic that I?ve been quite sternly rebuked for in the past on IPS forums.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Success
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:41, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Test. Success?
>> N.
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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> ?
> Graeme Wall
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> 



From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 03:37:58 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 08:37:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <997F696A-0E32-45FB-A926-9515BDEA7BD7@aol.com>
References: <8CF38DB4-A151-4080-8973-743562187DA7@icloud.com>
	<997F696A-0E32-45FB-A926-9515BDEA7BD7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c4815653-02d3-4ea2-a88d-cccebd3f76d9@gmail.com>

Nick - Your test message received OK.

via Tech1

Pat H

On 13/03/2024 08:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> OK, thanks. I was wondering because I kept getting ?failed to connect to the AOL server ?? ( or words to that effect).
> And one that I sent a few days ago that I thought might get some interesting comments (on the subject of drama sound quality) got no response, which seemed surprising. If it was seen, I?d love to read people?s opinions! It?s a topic that I?ve been quite sternly rebuked for in the past on IPS forums.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>
>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?Success
>>
>>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:41, Nick Ware via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Test. Success?
>>> N.
>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Mar 13 03:42:49 2024
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 08:42:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <997F696A-0E32-45FB-A926-9515BDEA7BD7@aol.com>
References: <997F696A-0E32-45FB-A926-9515BDEA7BD7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D36F579E-5094-48FD-B182-BB58D75928D0@mac.com>

I, for one, have not seen your, no doubt, erudite piece on drama sound quality, Nick. 

It would be interesting to read it, especially if you comment on intelligibility, which mars our enjoyment of many episodes, either because neither of us caught a few crucial words, or because my wife didn?t and I then drown out the next bit of dialogue by offering my interpretation! That aspect, in particular, tends to be mostly a problem with delivery, rather than coverage. 

Mike G

> On 13 Mar 2024, at 08:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?OK, thanks. I was wondering because I kept getting ?failed to connect to the AOL server ?? ( or words to that effect).
> And one that I sent a few days ago that I thought might get some interesting comments (on the subject of drama sound quality) got no response, which seemed surprising. If it was seen, I?d love to read people?s opinions! It?s a topic that I?ve been quite sternly rebuked for in the past on IPS forums.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Success
>> 
>>>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:41, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Test. Success?
>>> N.
>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>>> 
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>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Mar 13 04:05:27 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:05:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <997F696A-0E32-45FB-A926-9515BDEA7BD7@aol.com>
References: <997F696A-0E32-45FB-A926-9515BDEA7BD7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BD6C2E8A-7BE5-4064-AF2F-E41834B6A508@me.com>

I didn?t get any email about drama sound quality.  

You might like to try resending it because I?m sure that people here are likely to have something to say ( or mumble inaudibly for dramatic effect, while the music drowns it out ).

Alan

> On 13 Mar 2024, at 08:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?OK, thanks. I was wondering because I kept getting ?failed to connect to the AOL server ?? ( or words to that effect).
> And one that I sent a few days ago that I thought might get some interesting comments (on the subject of drama sound quality) got no response, which seemed surprising. If it was seen, I?d love to read people?s opinions! It?s a topic that I?ve been quite sternly rebuked for in the past on IPS forums.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Success
>> 
>>>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:41, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Test. Success?
>>> N.
>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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From ware.nick at aol.com  Wed Mar 13 06:53:19 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:53:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <BD6C2E8A-7BE5-4064-AF2F-E41834B6A508@me.com>
References: <BD6C2E8A-7BE5-4064-AF2F-E41834B6A508@me.com>
Message-ID: <13CC51EA-030C-4D76-8422-CE92520BF83D@aol.com>

Yep. That was pretty much what it was about! 
I?ll see if I can resurrect it.
N.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 13 Mar 2024, at 09:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I didn?t get any email about drama sound quality.  
> 
> You might like to try resending it because I?m sure that people here are likely to have something to say ( or mumble inaudibly for dramatic effect, while the music drowns it out ).
> 
> Alan



From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 11:17:32 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:17:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <BD6C2E8A-7BE5-4064-AF2F-E41834B6A508@me.com>
References: <997F696A-0E32-45FB-A926-9515BDEA7BD7@aol.com>
	<BD6C2E8A-7BE5-4064-AF2F-E41834B6A508@me.com>
Message-ID: <70c43a28-62e3-476e-9188-d135da1319ac@gmail.com>

Of course we are all getting old - including our ears. The only slight 
flaw in that explanation is some dramas are OK - some not.

On 13/03/2024 09:05, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I didn?t get any email about drama sound quality.
> 
> You might like to try resending it because I?m sure that people here are likely to have something to say ( or mumble inaudibly for dramatic effect, while the music drowns it out ).
> 
> Alan
> 
>> On 13 Mar 2024, at 08:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?OK, thanks. I was wondering because I kept getting ?failed to connect to the AOL server ?? ( or words to that effect).
>> And one that I sent a few days ago that I thought might get some interesting comments (on the subject of drama sound quality) got no response, which seemed surprising. If it was seen, I?d love to read people?s opinions! It?s a topic that I?ve been quite sternly rebuked for in the past on IPS forums.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Success
>>>
>>>>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 21:41, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Test. Success?
>>>> N.
>>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>>>>
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>>>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 13:21:18 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:21:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
Message-ID: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>

Hi All,

One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows 
up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.

And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for 
the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....

TO Courses missing:

courses before TO 12 , TO 12,? 13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and 
anything after TO 25

STO courses:

*All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36

Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!

Best regards,

Alec

-- 
=====================================

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alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed Mar 13 13:44:11 2024
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:44:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 13:46:50 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:46:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <EC71FE7E-FE1E-4CFC-B9D3-6A1DAF55620B@icloud.com>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
	<EC71FE7E-FE1E-4CFC-B9D3-6A1DAF55620B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB2m0c-LPhgoWWBvS18zdgDT3+6OMxOeGCtoMQzLnQuu8w@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for your email, Peter - it is all useful information!

Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 18:44 Peter Neill, <peter.neill at icloud.com> wrote:

> I was on TO23 and STO19 and no longer have photos of either.
>
> When I was last on a course At Evesham (about 30 years ago) I asked if
> they had copies there. Sadly, it turned out that there were great holes in
> their archive as well.
>
> Peter Neill
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>
> On 13 Mar 2024, at 18:22, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hi All,
>
> One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows up
> very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
>
> And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for
> the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
>
> TO Courses missing:
>
> courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and anything
> after TO 25
>
> STO courses:
>
> *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
>
> Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alec
>
> --
> =====================================
>
> Alec Brayalec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> MOD:  07789 561 346
> TEL:  0118 981 7502
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Mar 13 13:52:04 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:52:04 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F74C0F72E3C4F809703D5E47259EEB1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Hi Alec,

I?ve no idea from where but I have these of TO 11 & TO 26.

Best wishes,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2024 6:21 PM
To: Tech Ops Group 
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information

Hi All,

One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.

And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....


TO Courses missing:

courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and anything after TO 25


STO courses:

All missing except STO 3, 20, 36


Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!


Best regards,

Alec


-- 
=====================================

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alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
TEL:  0118 981 7502

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 13:54:56 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:54:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <3F74C0F72E3C4F809703D5E47259EEB1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
	<3F74C0F72E3C4F809703D5E47259EEB1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB0spASrgwqiW2SLefEjDz+Kow=-mgKEa6jzGW0NBbPXpg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Dave - Very useful information!
Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 18:52 David Newbitt, <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

> Hi Alec,
>
> I?ve no idea from where but I have these of TO 11 & TO 26.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:* Alec Bray via Tech1
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2024 6:21 PM
> *To:* Tech Ops Group
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows up
> very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
>
> And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for
> the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
>
> TO Courses missing:
>
> courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and anything
> after TO 25
>
> STO courses:
>
> *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
>
> Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alec
>
> --
> =====================================
>
> Alec Brayalec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> MOD:  07789 561 346
> TEL:  0118 981 7502
>
> ------------------------------
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Mar 13 13:55:27 2024
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:55:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAALDoM5RjfSNFkcJpU59upO0BAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>

Alec

 

21 and 22 to start ball rolling.

 

With best wishes

 

Neil

 

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 13 March 2024 18:21
To: Tech Ops Group <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information

 

Hi All,

One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.

And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....

TO Courses missing:

courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and anything after TO 25

STO courses:

All missing except STO 3, 20, 36

Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!

Best regards,

Alec

-- 
=====================================
 
Alec Bray
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MOD:  07789 561 346
TEL:  0118 981 7502
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed Mar 13 14:11:39 2024
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 19:11:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB2m0c-LPhgoWWBvS18zdgDT3+6OMxOeGCtoMQzLnQuu8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0HHB2m0c-LPhgoWWBvS18zdgDT3+6OMxOeGCtoMQzLnQuu8w@mail.gmail.com>
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Wed Mar 13 15:44:04 2024
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 20:44:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62ed4847-78b5-42ff-ada3-f877eed3b080@armoor.co.uk>

Hello!

I think the nomenclature for the courses may of changed at some point. 
I believe the TO course became 'A' and 'STO' became 'TO' courses.  Not 
sure who'd be best placed to clarify the changes.

I was on A-51 in 1978 and TO-11 in 1980.

If you want any course notes for these, I have the lot!

Also have lots of photographs for the A course and videos for TO-10 
(Graham Maunder and Co (X-Rated)) and TO-11.


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk

On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows 
> up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
> 
> And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for 
> the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
> 
> TO Courses missing:
> 
> courses before TO 12 , TO 12,? 13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and 
> anything after TO 25
> 
> STO courses:
> 
> *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
> 
> Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Alec
> 
> -- 
> =====================================
> 
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> MOD:  07789 561 346
> TEL:  0118 981 7502
> 
> 


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 15:54:59 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 20:54:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <62ed4847-78b5-42ff-ada3-f877eed3b080@armoor.co.uk>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
	<62ed4847-78b5-42ff-ada3-f877eed3b080@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB0QfWxtp7-SQRAjZ1DAFs6KoFtCiE5BoT-j4rOSd7aA=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ian,
Certainly, a change of course ID would explain some of the "funnies" that
appeared when trying to do the index.  Thanks for the suggestions!
Amy course material would be very welcome to put up on the site -
unfortunately I got rid of my training material before I found Bernie's
site (and am so cross with myself!).
Course videos?  Of course !  My course just had some 16mm film for TK use,
I kept it for years and then binned it before I found the Tech Ops site...
I look forward to anything that you can send!
Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 20:44 Ian Norman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I think the nomenclature for the courses may of changed at some point.
> I believe the TO course became 'A' and 'STO' became 'TO' courses.  Not
> sure who'd be best placed to clarify the changes.
>
> I was on A-51 in 1978 and TO-11 in 1980.
>
> If you want any course notes for these, I have the lot!
>
> Also have lots of photographs for the A course and videos for TO-10
> (Graham Maunder and Co (X-Rated)) and TO-11.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ian Norman
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>
> On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows
> > up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
> >
> > And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for
> > the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
> >
> > TO Courses missing:
> >
> > courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and
> > anything after TO 25
> >
> > STO courses:
> >
> > *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
> >
> > Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Alec
> >
> > --
> > =====================================
> >
> > Alec Bray
> > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> > MOD:  07789 561 346
> > TEL:  0118 981 7502
> >
> >
>
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From phider at gmx.com  Wed Mar 13 16:02:21 2024
From: phider at gmx.com (Peter Hider)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:02:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The very sad news of Bill Jenkins and John Dailley
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Mar 13 16:22:09 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 21:22:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <A0AF2C83-C6B2-4CFC-A8A5-77BFF2C42E9E@icloud.com>
References: <CAA0HHB2m0c-LPhgoWWBvS18zdgDT3+6OMxOeGCtoMQzLnQuu8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A0AF2C83-C6B2-4CFC-A8A5-77BFF2C42E9E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <C296263D-5182-48EF-9FC5-F3FE58C830DF@icloud.com>

TO21 was also large, 10 for radio, 10 for TV and 5 for regions. I guy failed the course but wasn?t too upset as he?d been offered a job of assistant chef at a smart London restaurant.

> On 13 Mar 2024, at 19:11, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> TO 23 was quite a large course, but the majority were radio. The TV contingent also included people destined for the regions. Of the London tv lot I think only Les Thorn and myself stayed for any length of time. One had already been offered a job with Granada but told to join the Beeb and get trained first!!
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
>> On 13 Mar 2024, at 18:47, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thank you for your email, Peter - it is all useful information!
>> 
>> Best regards Alec 
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>> 
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 18:44 Peter Neill, <peter.neill at icloud.com> wrote:
>> I was on TO23 and STO19 and no longer have photos of either. 
>> 
>> When I was last on a course At Evesham (about 30 years ago) I asked if they had copies there. Sadly, it turned out that there were great holes in their archive as well. 
>> 
>> Peter Neill
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
>> 
>>> On 13 Mar 2024, at 18:22, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Hi All,
>>> One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
>>> And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
>>> TO Courses missing:
>>> courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and anything after TO 25
>>> STO courses:
>>> All missing except STO 3, 20, 36
>>> Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
>>> Best regards,
>>> Alec
>>> -- 
>>> =====================================
>>> 
>>> Alec Bray
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> MOD: 07789 561 346
>>> TEL: 0118 981 7502
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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? 
Graeme Wall




From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 03:28:06 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:28:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TO & STO photos
Message-ID: <757405d9-b758-4301-bf46-259135f88c66@gmail.com>

Hi Alec,

Here are group photos of the courses that I was on:

TO13 and STO21.

The .pdf of TO13 has names attached, but the STO photo has names separately.

It's sad that a few of the faces are no longer with us.

Best wishes

Pat H
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 14 03:37:15 2024
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:37:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] 1967 OB pic
In-Reply-To: <757405d9-b758-4301-bf46-259135f88c66@gmail.com>
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? Hi all, I've just come across this picture on one of my Facebook motor racing pages.
?I would think this would be a 'live' piece into Grandstand, but what's the camera??It's very small.
? ATB,?Gary
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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Thu Mar 14 04:17:00 2024
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:17:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1967 OB pic
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Gary,
My first thought was the little Marconi V321 vidicon 'pipe camera' that Burrell-Hadden had proposed using on the Beatles 'All You Need Is Love's OB at Abbey Road in 1967, but I've never seen how that looked in an operational setting.
DT

On 14 Mar 2024, 08:38, at 08:38, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>? Hi all, I've just come across this picture on one of my Facebook
>motor racing pages.
>?I would think this would be a 'live' piece into Grandstand, but what's
>the camera??It's very small.
>? ATB,?Gary
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar 14 04:17:26 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:17:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1967 OB pic
In-Reply-To: <63946442.6821653.1710405435336@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <757405d9-b758-4301-bf46-259135f88c66@gmail.com>
	<63946442.6821653.1710405435336@mail.yahoo.com>
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Looks vaguely like an RCA BC-300 plumbicon camera.

> On 14 Mar 2024, at 08:37, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>   Hi all, I've just come across this picture on one of my Facebook motor racing pages.
> 
>  I would think this would be a 'live' piece into Grandstand, but what's the camera??
> It's very small.
> 
>   ATB, 
> Gary<Screenshot_20240314-113302_Samsung Internet.jpg>
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? 
Graeme Wall




From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar 14 04:18:15 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:18:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1967 OB pic
In-Reply-To: <63946442.6821653.1710405435336@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <757405d9-b758-4301-bf46-259135f88c66@gmail.com>
	<63946442.6821653.1710405435336@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5C4CE0CA-9CCC-43B0-943D-3642CAA1988E@icloud.com>

Looks vaguely like an RCA BC-300 plumbicon camera

> On 14 Mar 2024, at 08:37, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>   Hi all, I've just come across this picture on one of my Facebook motor racing pages.
> 
>  I would think this would be a 'live' piece into Grandstand, but what's the camera??
> It's very small.
> 
>   ATB, 
> Gary<Screenshot_20240314-113302_Samsung Internet.jpg>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Mar 14 04:59:11 2024
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:59:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4100daf1-42d4-47c3-8c88-838aeff131e3@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> ...and anything after TO 25....


M'dear, how can /anything/ interesting have happened after TO25? ;}!!!

Chris Woolf
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 05:04:19 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:04:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TO & STO photos
In-Reply-To: <757405d9-b758-4301-bf46-259135f88c66@gmail.com>
References: <757405d9-b758-4301-bf46-259135f88c66@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecce9d6c-8ea9-44ef-bd8a-5a6a20611dab@gmail.com>

Hi Pat,

Thank you for your photos of those courses.

I note that John Henshall was on one of the same courses as you! It was 
John who - in some ways - set me on my other career path: he brought in 
a maths "puzzle" for the crew (he got it from another crew!) and I found 
an answer. (AN answer, not THE answer!) .? Long story short, as a result 
I did a City and Guilds Maths course and subsequently left the BBC to go 
to college.

Best regards,? Alec

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 05:30:06 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:30:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Stories or memorabilia about David Frost
Message-ID: <897aadf0-a219-4a1a-9ece-b31d508c51e5@gmail.com>

Hi all,

The Tech Ops group has been contacted by Matt Hill, a producer and 
director at Sky Studios.? He is currently writing and directing a 
documentary series about David Frost.

Matt says:

".. It?s a 6 x 60 telling the story of Frost?s career while alighting on 
six key interviews he conducted during his time on screen.? I?d love to 
hear any stories you may have of working with David during his BBC days 
(TW3, Degree of Frost, The Frost Report) and perhaps thereafter at 
InterTel, Wembley etc..."

Matt has had a look at the Tech Ops website, and says:

"... I?ve seen some wonderful behind the scenes photographs on Tech-Ops 
and we?d certainly love to license whatever we can find relating to 
David?s work at the BBC. And that goes beyond photos actually, any film, 
or paper based archival material like scripts, floor plans etc would be 
wonderful too.

 ?And finally, this series is fully authorised by The Frost Estate. 
David?s son Wilf is an Executive on the show and I know he?d be 
delighted to hear any stories/see any archival material relating to his 
late father. .."

If you DO have any material concerning David's work on screen or stories 
about David Frost and the programmes he worked on, obviously the Tech 
Ops site would be pleased to have it all (!), but please contact Matt 
directly as well - his email address in in the "to" list.

I hope we can help Matt with his research,

best regards,

Alec


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From ted123kent at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 11:05:02 2024
From: ted123kent at gmail.com (Edward Kent)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:05:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB0QfWxtp7-SQRAjZ1DAFs6KoFtCiE5BoT-j4rOSd7aA=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
	<62ed4847-78b5-42ff-ada3-f877eed3b080@armoor.co.uk>
	<CAA0HHB0QfWxtp7-SQRAjZ1DAFs6KoFtCiE5BoT-j4rOSd7aA=w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all
My first post since the forum became live. I was on TO22 starting in Jan
1965, should have been the previous Sept but Beeb was short of money. Opted
for sound soon after returning from Evesham. Had lots of fun and stories
from my time in the exciting era of Tv. After four and a half years decided
to leave the Beeb as soon to get married and needed to work in Birmingham.
I did one year as a lab assistant in a secondary school where I was my own
boss and even thoughmy pay halved I was no worse off withless tax and no
travel. Then trained as a Primary teacher and spent the rest of my life
teaching. You could teach what you liked in the 70s!
Found the tech ops web site by chance and it brought back lots of memories.
I have very little material from those days, some photos of Ian Tomlin and
G Timms doing archery we had the advantage over the other half of our group
(TO21) who shivered inside. A photo of the crnic cameras and racks there.
I ws out on crew 13 when I returned and some photos Cilla Black on Th
STubby Kay show. As they were taken by the official photographer others may
have them. It was all apublicity stunt by Crew 13! Also the other day I
found my conditions of emplyment and pay scales and also for some obsure
reason what to take in your shelter when the Atom bomb dropped. Also my
security pass for the World cup in 1966.
Geoff Hawkes was a good friend of mine and so I heard occassional stories
of the Beeb.
Anyway thanks for all your recollections -  Ted Kent

On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 22:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi Ian,
> Certainly, a change of course ID would explain some of the "funnies" that
> appeared when trying to do the index.  Thanks for the suggestions!
> Amy course material would be very welcome to put up on the site -
> unfortunately I got rid of my training material before I found Bernie's
> site (and am so cross with myself!).
> Course videos?  Of course !  My course just had some 16mm film for TK use,
> I kept it for years and then binned it before I found the Tech Ops site...
> I look forward to anything that you can send!
> Best regards Alec
>
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 20:44 Ian Norman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I think the nomenclature for the courses may of changed at some point.
>> I believe the TO course became 'A' and 'STO' became 'TO' courses.  Not
>> sure who'd be best placed to clarify the changes.
>>
>> I was on A-51 in 1978 and TO-11 in 1980.
>>
>> If you want any course notes for these, I have the lot!
>>
>> Also have lots of photographs for the A course and videos for TO-10
>> (Graham Maunder and Co (X-Rated)) and TO-11.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ian Norman
>>
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>>
>> On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows
>> > up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
>> >
>> > And one area of missing items are course information and photographs
>> for
>> > the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
>> >
>> > TO Courses missing:
>> >
>> > courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and
>> > anything after TO 25
>> >
>> > STO courses:
>> >
>> > *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
>> >
>> > Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very
>> welcome!
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Alec
>> >
>> > --
>> > =====================================
>> >
>> > Alec Bray
>> > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> > MOD:  07789 561 346
>> > TEL:  0118 981 7502
>> >
>> >
>>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 12:30:57 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:30:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Broadcast Message for Mike du Boulay
Message-ID: <2bac3f6e-8936-4859-a461-81268d376e7c@gmail.com>

Hi,

Matt Hall - the producer of the putative David Frost programme - would 
like to speak with Mike du Boulay about his work on TW3.? We believe 
that he was camera 3? on the show on the 16^th November ?63, and Mike is 
wondering? if he was on the famous JFK show on the 23^rd Nov??

 ?So Mike - if you are there - please can you get in contact with Matt 
(matthew.hill5 at sky.uk) (and myself as well if OK with you...).

Sorry to? everyone for this broadcast: the Tech Ops email lists do not 
include everyone's normal name so some parts of the email list just look 
like random numbers and letters.


Best regards,

Alec

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From davelebreton at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 14 16:42:31 2024
From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 21:42:31 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1967 OB pic
In-Reply-To: <63946442.6821653.1710405435336@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <757405d9-b758-4301-bf46-259135f88c66@gmail.com>
	<63946442.6821653.1710405435336@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <85B40DF1AE1C49BD8EBD07C821819BD7@DavidPC>

Brian Summers? excellent Museum of the Broadcast Television Camera website indicates that the camera was a 1962 vintage LEP CHF-503 1 inch vidicon monochrome radio camera which was widely used by BBC OBs.  Brian?s website has another interesting picture showing BBC cameraman Selwyn Cox holding the camera and talking to motor racing personality John Bolster with his trademark Deerstalker hat.

This was a bit before my time as my involvement with cameras in P&ID began with the Type 2 CMCRs in 1968.  In the early 70s, BBC colour radio camera facilities were provided by the purchase of two Norelco/Pye TVT PCP90 Minicams.

Dave LeB

From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 8:37 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] 1967 OB pic

  Hi all, I've just come across this picture on one of my Facebook motor racing pages. 

I would think this would be a 'live' piece into Grandstand, but what's the camera??
It's very small.

  ATB, 
Gary


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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 18:53:15 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 23:53:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Broadcast Message for Mike du Boulay
In-Reply-To: <2bac3f6e-8936-4859-a461-81268d376e7c@gmail.com>
References: <2bac3f6e-8936-4859-a461-81268d376e7c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31e9a170-d0b8-4ab1-b0b5-090d6ac93da8@gmail.com>

I worked on it - although memories hazy. Remember being stood down for 
some time while the show was re-written. Only visual memory is Millicent 
Martin sat of that stool.

On 14/03/2024 17:30, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Matt Hall - the producer of the putative David Frost programme - would 
> like to speak with Mike du Boulay about his work on TW3.? We believe 
> that he was camera 3? on the show on the 16^th November ?63, and Mike is 
> wondering? if he was on the famous JFK show on the 23^rd Nov??
> 
>  ?So Mike - if you are there - please can you get in contact with Matt 
> (matthew.hill5 at sky.uk) (and myself as well if OK with you...).
> 
> Sorry to? everyone for this broadcast: the Tech Ops email lists do not 
> include everyone's normal name so some parts of the email list just look 
> like random numbers and letters.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Alec
> 
> -- 
> =====================================
> 
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> MOD:  07789 561 346
> TEL:  0118 981 7502
> 
> 

-- 
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London, SW


From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 14 22:28:06 2024
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 03:28:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] 1967 OB pic
In-Reply-To: <85B40DF1AE1C49BD8EBD07C821819BD7@DavidPC>
References: <757405d9-b758-4301-bf46-259135f88c66@gmail.com>
	<63946442.6821653.1710405435336@mail.yahoo.com>
	<85B40DF1AE1C49BD8EBD07C821819BD7@DavidPC>
Message-ID: <643841205.1839809.1710473286813@mail.yahoo.com>

....I'm now thinking that the date in the caption is wrong, in 1967 Jackie Stewart drive a French Matra at the Gold Cup meeting and the car in the picture is plainly a BRM.So I'm thinking 1966....
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 01:58:06 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 06:58:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Broadcast Message for Mike du Boulay
In-Reply-To: <31e9a170-d0b8-4ab1-b0b5-090d6ac93da8@gmail.com>
References: <2bac3f6e-8936-4859-a461-81268d376e7c@gmail.com>
	<31e9a170-d0b8-4ab1-b0b5-090d6ac93da8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB3-S2fQokSuPPQqR-TaPcau2kqcf2Kt+Z9747nym+LnEA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave,
Please contact Matt Hill, even just to tell him about that one show.  He
seems to me to be interested in any little anecdotes that we can send him!


Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 23:53 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I worked on it - although memories hazy. Remember being stood down for
> some time while the show was re-written. Only visual memory is Millicent
> Martin sat of that stool.
>
> On 14/03/2024 17:30, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Matt Hall - the producer of the putative David Frost programme - would
> > like to speak with Mike du Boulay about his work on TW3.  We believe
> > that he was camera 3  on the show on the 16^th November ?63, and Mike is
> > wondering  if he was on the famous JFK show on the 23^rd Nov??
> >
> >   So Mike - if you are there - please can you get in contact with Matt
> > (matthew.hill5 at sky.uk) (and myself as well if OK with you...).
> >
> > Sorry to  everyone for this broadcast: the Tech Ops email lists do not
> > include everyone's normal name so some parts of the email list just look
> > like random numbers and letters.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Alec
> >
> > --
> > =====================================
> >
> > Alec Bray
> > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> > MOD:  07789 561 346
> > TEL:  0118 981 7502
> >
> >
>
> --
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 03:38:21 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 08:38:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Matt Hill showreel
Message-ID: <6d342f74-3b29-41a8-a26d-b91fa78d3cc5@gmail.com>

HI all,

Re the David Frost requests:

Matt Hill has a website, and here is his showreel :

www.matthewhillfilms.com

Showreel | Personal <#>

? https://www.matthewhillfilms.com/showreel-1 
<https://www.matthewhillfilms.com/showreel-1>

Best regards,

Alec

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 06:05:06 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:05:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] more about Matt Hill
Message-ID: <ba414e68-22f9-4dbd-a8bd-73eaccda8f49@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Just thought that you might like to know that Matt Hall (Sky producer) 
started his career as a (show) runner for the BBC in about 2000.

Best regards, Alec

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar 16 05:46:07 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 10:46:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <CAJqjnLhv7JvJiOY4TMi3KCOR2cW=3D5YUjpqBRb6+4bHA--wYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8a8adcdc-9821-44ae-b172-9d728b93ea0d@gmail.com>
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> On 14 Mar 2024, at 16:05, Edward Kent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> My first post since the forum became live. I was on TO22 starting in Jan 1965, should have been the previous Sept but Beeb was short of money. Opted for sound soon after returning from Evesham. Had lots of fun and stories from my time in the exciting era of Tv. After four and a half years decided to leave the Beeb as soon to get married and needed to work in Birmingham. I did one year as a lab assistant in a secondary school where I was my own boss and even thoughmy pay halved I was no worse off withless tax and no travel. Then trained as a Primary teacher and spent the rest of my life teaching. You could teach what you liked in the 70s!
> Found the tech ops web site by chance and it brought back lots of memories.
> I have very little material from those days, some photos of Ian Tomlin and G Timms doing archery we had the advantage over the other half of our group (TO21) who shivered inside. A photo of the crnic cameras and racks there.
> I ws out on crew 13 when I returned and some photos Cilla Black on Th STubby Kay show. As they were taken by the official photographer others may have them. It was all apublicity stunt by Crew 13! Also the other day I found my conditions of emplyment and pay scales and also for some obsure reason what to take in your shelter when the Atom bomb dropped. Also my security pass for the World cup in 1966.
> Geoff Hawkes was a good friend of mine and so I heard occassional stories of the Beeb.
> Anyway thanks for all your recollections -  Ted Kent
> 
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 22:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> Certainly, a change of course ID would explain some of the "funnies" that appeared when trying to do the index.  Thanks for the suggestions!
> Amy course material would be very welcome to put up on the site - unfortunately I got rid of my training material before I found Bernie's site (and am so cross with myself!).
> Course videos?  Of course !  My course just had some 16mm film for TK use, I kept it for years and then binned it before I found the Tech Ops site...
> I look forward to anything that you can send!
> Best regards Alec 
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
> 
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 20:44 Ian Norman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I think the nomenclature for the courses may of changed at some point. 
> I believe the TO course became 'A' and 'STO' became 'TO' courses.  Not 
> sure who'd be best placed to clarify the changes.
> 
> I was on A-51 in 1978 and TO-11 in 1980.
> 
> If you want any course notes for these, I have the lot!
> 
> Also have lots of photographs for the A course and videos for TO-10 
> (Graham Maunder and Co (X-Rated)) and TO-11.
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> 
> On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows 
> > up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
> > 
> > And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for 
> > the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
> > 
> > TO Courses missing:
> > 
> > courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and 
> > anything after TO 25
> > 
> > STO courses:
> > 
> > *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
> > 
> > Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Alec
> > 
> > -- 
> > =====================================
> > 
> > Alec Bray
> > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> > MOD:  07789 561 346
> > TEL:  0118 981 7502
> > 
> > 
> 
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? 
Graeme Wall



From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Mar 16 06:33:11 2024
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:33:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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Another memory of WN, one which some may not want to remember -



This was obviously a test paper, because I joined in November 1963, and I'm pretty sure I didn't go to WN until at least late 1964, or more likely 1965, and I think it was TO20, although I can't be sure.  I don't remember, (and  don't have a copy of a photograph).

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.















> On 16 Mar 2024, at 10:46, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> All this talk about Wood Norton, here?s a memory:
> 
> <WN.jpg>
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2024, at 16:05, Edward Kent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> My first post since the forum became live. I was on TO22 starting in Jan 1965, should have been the previous Sept but Beeb was short of money. Opted for sound soon after returning from Evesham. Had lots of fun and stories from my time in the exciting era of Tv. After four and a half years decided to leave the Beeb as soon to get married and needed to work in Birmingham. I did one year as a lab assistant in a secondary school where I was my own boss and even thoughmy pay halved I was no worse off withless tax and no travel. Then trained as a Primary teacher and spent the rest of my life teaching. You could teach what you liked in the 70s!
>> Found the tech ops web site by chance and it brought back lots of memories.
>> I have very little material from those days, some photos of Ian Tomlin and G Timms doing archery we had the advantage over the other half of our group (TO21) who shivered inside. A photo of the crnic cameras and racks there.
>> I ws out on crew 13 when I returned and some photos Cilla Black on Th STubby Kay show. As they were taken by the official photographer others may have them. It was all apublicity stunt by Crew 13! Also the other day I found my conditions of emplyment and pay scales and also for some obsure reason what to take in your shelter when the Atom bomb dropped. Also my security pass for the World cup in 1966.
>> Geoff Hawkes was a good friend of mine and so I heard occassional stories of the Beeb.
>> Anyway thanks for all your recollections -  Ted Kent
>> 
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 22:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Ian,
>> Certainly, a change of course ID would explain some of the "funnies" that appeared when trying to do the index.  Thanks for the suggestions!
>> Amy course material would be very welcome to put up on the site - unfortunately I got rid of my training material before I found Bernie's site (and am so cross with myself!).
>> Course videos?  Of course !  My course just had some 16mm film for TK use, I kept it for years and then binned it before I found the Tech Ops site...
>> I look forward to anything that you can send!
>> Best regards Alec 
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>> 
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 20:44 Ian Norman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hello!
>> 
>> I think the nomenclature for the courses may of changed at some point. 
>> I believe the TO course became 'A' and 'STO' became 'TO' courses.  Not 
>> sure who'd be best placed to clarify the changes.
>> 
>> I was on A-51 in 1978 and TO-11 in 1980.
>> 
>> If you want any course notes for these, I have the lot!
>> 
>> Also have lots of photographs for the A course and videos for TO-10 
>> (Graham Maunder and Co (X-Rated)) and TO-11.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Ian Norman
>> 
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>> 
>> On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows 
>>> up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
>>> 
>>> And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for 
>>> the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
>>> 
>>> TO Courses missing:
>>> 
>>> courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and 
>>> anything after TO 25
>>> 
>>> STO courses:
>>> 
>>> *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
>>> 
>>> Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Alec
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> =====================================
>>> 
>>> Alec Bray
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> MOD:  07789 561 346
>>> TEL:  0118 981 7502
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Mar 16 07:43:53 2024
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:43:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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Interesting. More hard engineering in that than I remember for our TO25 
course.

I doubt many of us could pass such an exam now! And only about half the 
questions have any relevance to anything current in broadcasting.

Chris Woolf


On 16/03/2024 11:33, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Another memory of WN, one which some may not want to remember -
>
>
>
> This was obviously a test paper, because I joined in November 1963, 
> and I'm pretty sure I didn't go to WN until at least late 1964, or 
> more likely 1965, and I think it was TO20, although I can't be sure. 
> ?I don't remember, (and ?don't have a copy of a photograph).
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
> */
> Don?t blame me, I voted?Remain./*
>
>
> */
> /*
> */
> /*
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>> On 16 Mar 2024, at 10:46, Graeme Wall via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> All this talk about Wood Norton, here?s a memory:
>>
>> <WN.jpg>
>>
>>> On 14 Mar 2024, at 16:05, Edward Kent via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>> My first post since the forum became live. I was on TO22 starting in 
>>> Jan 1965, should have been the previous Sept but Beeb was short of 
>>> money. Opted for sound soon after returning from Evesham. Had lots 
>>> of fun and stories from my time in the exciting era of Tv. After 
>>> four and a half years decided to leave the Beeb as soon to get 
>>> married and needed to work in Birmingham. I did one year as a lab 
>>> assistant in a secondary school where I was my own boss and even 
>>> thoughmy pay halved I was no worse off withless tax and no travel. 
>>> Then trained as a Primary teacher and spent the rest of my life 
>>> teaching. You could teach what you liked in the 70s!
>>> Found the tech ops web site by chance and it brought back lots of 
>>> memories.
>>> I have very little material from those days, some photos of Ian 
>>> Tomlin and G Timms doing archery we had the advantage over the other 
>>> half of our group (TO21) who shivered inside. A photo of the crnic 
>>> cameras and racks there.
>>> I ws out on crew 13 when I returned and some photos Cilla Black on 
>>> Th STubby Kay show. As they were taken by the official photographer 
>>> others may have them. It was all apublicity stunt by Crew 13! Also 
>>> the other day I found my conditions of emplyment and pay scales and 
>>> also for some obsure reason what to take in your shelter when the 
>>> Atom bomb dropped. Also my security pass for the World cup in 1966.
>>> Geoff Hawkes was a good friend of mine and so I heard occassional 
>>> stories of the Beeb.
>>> Anyway thanks for all your recollections - ?Ted Kent
>>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 22:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi Ian,
>>> Certainly, a change of course ID would explain some of the "funnies" 
>>> that appeared when trying to do the index. ?Thanks for the suggestions!
>>> Amy course material would be very welcome to put up on the site - 
>>> unfortunately I got rid of my training material before I found 
>>> Bernie's site (and am so cross with myself!).
>>> Course videos? ?Of course ! ?My course just had some 16mm film for 
>>> TK use, I kept it for years and then binned it before I found the 
>>> Tech Ops site...
>>> I look forward to anything that you can send!
>>> Best regards Alec
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 20:44 Ian Norman via Tech1, 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I think the nomenclature for the courses may of changed at some point.
>>> I believe the TO course became 'A' and 'STO' became 'TO' courses. ?Not
>>> sure who'd be best placed to clarify the changes.
>>>
>>> I was on A-51 in 1978 and TO-11 in 1980.
>>>
>>> If you want any course notes for these, I have the lot!
>>>
>>> Also have lots of photographs for the A course and videos for TO-10
>>> (Graham Maunder and Co (X-Rated)) and TO-11.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Ian Norman
>>>
>>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk <mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk>
>>>
>>> On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows
>>>> up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
>>>>
>>>> And one area of missing items are course information and 
>>>> photographs for
>>>> the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
>>>>
>>>> TO Courses missing:
>>>>
>>>> courses before TO 12 , TO 12, ?13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and
>>>> anything after TO 25
>>>>
>>>> STO courses:
>>>>
>>>> *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
>>>>
>>>> Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very 
>>>> welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Alec
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> =====================================
>>>>
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> MOD: ?07789 561 346
>>>> TEL: ?0118 981 7502
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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>>
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Mar 16 08:25:04 2024
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:25:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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From richardjblencowe at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 09:36:58 2024
From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:36:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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H All
 When I was on TO 21 there was no proper roof on the main building. I
understand there had been a fire and the roof was replaced with lead sheets
at ceiling level of top floor. The old brickwork of the loft area just
stuck like panicles!

Happy days!!

Dick Blencowe

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 at 13:26, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I recall being criticised by John (?) Symons for getting full marks in an
> exam, because he didn?t like people suggesting that his questions weren?t
> hard enough - and I feel sure that they were much less demanding than
> these! That was on TO 21 - I must have a course photo somewhere and will
> post it when I stumble across it.
>
> Mike G
>
> On 16 Mar 2024, at 12:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Interesting. More hard engineering in that than I remember for our TO25
> course.
>
> I doubt many of us could pass such an exam now! And only about half the
> questions have any relevance to anything current in broadcasting.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 16/03/2024 11:33, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Another memory of WN, one which some may not want to remember -
>
>
>
> This was obviously a test paper, because I joined in November 1963, and
> I'm pretty sure I didn't go to WN until at least late 1964, or more likely
> 1965, and I think it was TO20, although I can't be sure.  I don't remember,
> (and  don't have a copy of a photograph).
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> * Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 Mar 2024, at 10:46, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> All this talk about Wood Norton, here?s a memory:
>
> <WN.jpg>
>
> On 14 Mar 2024, at 16:05, Edward Kent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all
> My first post since the forum became live. I was on TO22 starting in Jan
> 1965, should have been the previous Sept but Beeb was short of money. Opted
> for sound soon after returning from Evesham. Had lots of fun and stories
> from my time in the exciting era of Tv. After four and a half years decided
> to leave the Beeb as soon to get married and needed to work in Birmingham.
> I did one year as a lab assistant in a secondary school where I was my own
> boss and even thoughmy pay halved I was no worse off withless tax and no
> travel. Then trained as a Primary teacher and spent the rest of my life
> teaching. You could teach what you liked in the 70s!
> Found the tech ops web site by chance and it brought back lots of memories.
> I have very little material from those days, some photos of Ian Tomlin and
> G Timms doing archery we had the advantage over the other half of our group
> (TO21) who shivered inside. A photo of the crnic cameras and racks there.
> I ws out on crew 13 when I returned and some photos Cilla Black on Th
> STubby Kay show. As they were taken by the official photographer others may
> have them. It was all apublicity stunt by Crew 13! Also the other day I
> found my conditions of emplyment and pay scales and also for some obsure
> reason what to take in your shelter when the Atom bomb dropped. Also my
> security pass for the World cup in 1966.
> Geoff Hawkes was a good friend of mine and so I heard occassional stories
> of the Beeb.
> Anyway thanks for all your recollections -  Ted Kent
>
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 22:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> Certainly, a change of course ID would explain some of the "funnies" that
> appeared when trying to do the index.  Thanks for the suggestions!
> Amy course material would be very welcome to put up on the site -
> unfortunately I got rid of my training material before I found Bernie's
> site (and am so cross with myself!).
> Course videos?  Of course !  My course just had some 16mm film for TK use,
> I kept it for years and then binned it before I found the Tech Ops site...
> I look forward to anything that you can send!
> Best regards Alec
>
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 20:44 Ian Norman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I think the nomenclature for the courses may of changed at some point.
> I believe the TO course became 'A' and 'STO' became 'TO' courses.  Not
> sure who'd be best placed to clarify the changes.
>
> I was on A-51 in 1978 and TO-11 in 1980.
>
> If you want any course notes for these, I have the lot!
>
> Also have lots of photographs for the A course and videos for TO-10
> (Graham Maunder and Co (X-Rated)) and TO-11.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ian Norman
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk <ian.norman at armoor.co.uk>
>
> On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows
> up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
>
> And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for
> the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
>
> TO Courses missing:
>
> courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and
> anything after TO 25
>
> STO courses:
>
> *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
>
> Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alec
>
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> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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> TEL:  0118 981 7502
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> Graeme Wall
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Mar 16 09:43:52 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:43:52 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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On the topic of upsetting lecturers at Evesham. Hope to goodness I?m not repeating a previously told anecdote!

On TO15 during an Alan Woolford lecture I had a bad nose-bleed and had to absent myself for a spell. A day or two later during another of his lectures I blew my nose rather vigorously, prompting the worthy gentleman to council caution lest I induced another nose-bleed.

?Don?t worry? I said ?I?m not that bored yet?. He advanced upon me and as menacingly as he was able (he was actually a thoroughly nice chap) said ?I have more opportunities than you!?

I think I toned down the repartee after that, but others took up the cause. I remember Sam Wilson on our course (who was possessed of a splendid Irish accent) responding to Woolford?s enquiry as to what part of Ireland he hailed from with ?Liverpool?.

Dave Newbitt.



From: Mike Giles via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 1:25 PM
To: Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information

I recall being criticised by John (?) Symons for getting full marks in an exam, because he didn?t like people suggesting that his questions weren?t hard enough - and I feel sure that they were much less demanding than these! That was on TO 21 - I must have a course photo somewhere and will post it when I stumble across it. 

Mike G
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From ted123kent at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 10:00:34 2024
From: ted123kent at gmail.com (Edward Kent)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:00:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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Hi all
Living in Warwickshire for many years I often passed the entrance  to WN.
Occasionally  shopping in Evesham, I remembered the fried egg sandwiches
they did in the BBC  Club. I couldn't  remember  exactly where it was.
It was  a retirement  present  of a Balloon  Flight that brought another
memory. After several failed attempts at different locations,  it was
always too windy, the newcsite was given, the field opposite WN where we
had much fun including an almost disastrous moment when Ian Tomlin or Geoff
Tivers shot an arrow directly upwards. We soon scattered when we realised
it was going to land right where were standing!.
Ted Kent

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 14:44 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> On the topic of upsetting lecturers at Evesham. Hope to goodness I?m not
> repeating a previously told anecdote!
>
> On TO15 during an Alan Woolford lecture I had a bad nose-bleed and had to
> absent myself for a spell. A day or two later during another of his
> lectures I blew my nose rather vigorously, prompting the worthy gentleman
> to council caution lest I induced another nose-bleed.
>
> ?Don?t worry? I said ?I?m not that bored yet?. He advanced upon me and as
> menacingly as he was able (he was actually a thoroughly nice chap) said ?I
> have more opportunities than you!?
>
> I think I toned down the repartee after that, but others took up the
> cause. I remember Sam Wilson on our course (who was possessed of a splendid
> Irish accent) responding to Woolford?s enquiry as to what part of Ireland
> he hailed from with ?Liverpool?.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Giles via Tech1
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2024 1:25 PM
> *To:* Tech Ops
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
>
> I recall being criticised by John (?) Symons for getting full marks in an
> exam, because he didn?t like people suggesting that his questions weren?t
> hard enough - and I feel sure that they were much less demanding than
> these! That was on TO 21 - I must have a course photo somewhere and will
> post it when I stumble across it.
>
> Mike G
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Mar 16 10:03:45 2024
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:03:45 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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Very expensive to stay there!

I think this was per week!

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 10:46 AM
To: Edward Kent
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information

All this talk about Wood Norton, here?s a memory:
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar 16 10:04:47 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:04:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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As seen in 1969:

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> On 16 Mar 2024, at 14:36, Richard Blencowe via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> H All
>  When I was on TO 21 there was no proper roof on the main building. I understand there had been a fire and the roof was replaced with lead sheets at ceiling level of top floor. The old brickwork of the loft area just stuck like panicles!
> 
> Happy days!!
> 
> Dick Blencowe
> 
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 at 13:26, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I recall being criticised by John (?) Symons for getting full marks in an exam, because he didn?t like people suggesting that his questions weren?t hard enough - and I feel sure that they were much less demanding than these! That was on TO 21 - I must have a course photo somewhere and will post it when I stumble across it. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 16 Mar 2024, at 12:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Interesting. More hard engineering in that than I remember for our TO25 course. 
>> I doubt many of us could pass such an exam now! And only about half the questions have any relevance to anything current in broadcasting.
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> On 16/03/2024 11:33, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Another memory of WN, one which some may not want to remember - 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This was obviously a test paper, because I joined in November 1963, and I'm pretty sure I didn't go to WN until at least late 1964, or more likely 1965, and I think it was TO20, although I can't be sure.  I don't remember, (and  don't have a copy of a photograph).
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Mar 2024, at 10:46, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All this talk about Wood Norton, here?s a memory:
>>>> 
>>>> <WN.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Mar 2024, at 16:05, Edward Kent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>> My first post since the forum became live. I was on TO22 starting in Jan 1965, should have been the previous Sept but Beeb was short of money. Opted for sound soon after returning from Evesham. Had lots of fun and stories from my time in the exciting era of Tv. After four and a half years decided to leave the Beeb as soon to get married and needed to work in Birmingham. I did one year as a lab assistant in a secondary school where I was my own boss and even thoughmy pay halved I was no worse off withless tax and no travel. Then trained as a Primary teacher and spent the rest of my life teaching. You could teach what you liked in the 70s!
>>>>> Found the tech ops web site by chance and it brought back lots of memories.
>>>>> I have very little material from those days, some photos of Ian Tomlin and G Timms doing archery we had the advantage over the other half of our group (TO21) who shivered inside. A photo of the crnic cameras and racks there.
>>>>> I ws out on crew 13 when I returned and some photos Cilla Black on Th STubby Kay show. As they were taken by the official photographer others may have them. It was all apublicity stunt by Crew 13! Also the other day I found my conditions of emplyment and pay scales and also for some obsure reason what to take in your shelter when the Atom bomb dropped. Also my security pass for the World cup in 1966.
>>>>> Geoff Hawkes was a good friend of mine and so I heard occassional stories of the Beeb.
>>>>> Anyway thanks for all your recollections -  Ted Kent
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 22:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>>> Certainly, a change of course ID would explain some of the "funnies" that appeared when trying to do the index.  Thanks for the suggestions!
>>>>> Amy course material would be very welcome to put up on the site - unfortunately I got rid of my training material before I found Bernie's site (and am so cross with myself!).
>>>>> Course videos?  Of course !  My course just had some 16mm film for TK use, I kept it for years and then binned it before I found the Tech Ops site...
>>>>> I look forward to anything that you can send!
>>>>> Best regards Alec 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, 20:44 Ian Norman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the nomenclature for the courses may of changed at some point. 
>>>>> I believe the TO course became 'A' and 'STO' became 'TO' courses.  Not 
>>>>> sure who'd be best placed to clarify the changes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was on A-51 in 1978 and TO-11 in 1980.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you want any course notes for these, I have the lot!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also have lots of photographs for the A course and videos for TO-10 
>>>>> (Graham Maunder and Co (X-Rated)) and TO-11.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ian Norman
>>>>> 
>>>>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 13/03/2024 18:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One thing about doing a Index to the Tech Ops website is that it shows 
>>>>>> up very quickly and easily where there are gaps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And one area of missing items are course information and photographs for 
>>>>>> the TO and STO courses run at Evesham ....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> TO Courses missing:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> courses before TO 12 , TO 12,  13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 and 
>>>>>> anything after TO 25
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> STO courses:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *All *missing except STO 3, 20, 36
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any pictures you may have re these missing courses would be very welcome!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alec
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> =====================================
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alec Bray
>>>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>>>> MOD:  07789 561 346
>>>>>> TEL:  0118 981 7502
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> ? 
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
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Graeme Wall



From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Mar 16 10:05:53 2024
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:05:53 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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Roof like this

Mike

From: Richard Blencowe via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 2:36 PM
To: Mike Giles 
Cc: Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information

H All
When I was on TO 21 there was no proper roof on the main building. I understand there had been a fire and the roof was replaced with lead sheets at ceiling level of top floor. The old brickwork of the loft area just stuck like panicles!

Happy days!!

Dick Blencowe
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From ware.nick at aol.com  Sat Mar 16 12:32:29 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:32:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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I was on TO14 around Jan ?61. I know I had other pictures from then, but, I fear they must have been lost along with much of my pre 1972 photo stuff soon after my Dad died that year. Long story - won?t bore you all with that.
Then STO22. Pic attached, though it could just possibly be the Sound Training Course that came just a bit later. Note: still all wearing ties! Not sure who took this informal pic of ten familiar faces. Clearly not me ?cos I?m in it. 
Anyway, it?s a good shot of the fire hoses if nothing else! 
Maybe someone in the picture knows better.
Cheers all,
Nick.
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Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

From ware.nick at aol.com  Sat Mar 16 12:50:19 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:50:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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And then, this pic of the Magnificent Seven on the same course.
Laurie Taylor, Nick Ware, Brian Duffet. The other four were all in recovery mode and couldn?t make it for this pic at the top end of the Wood Norton estate.
Cheers,
Nick.
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Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 16 Mar 2024, at 17:32, Nick Ware <ware.nick at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I was on TO14 around Jan ?61. I know I had other pictures from then, but, I fear they must have been lost along with much of my pre 1972 photo stuff soon after my Dad died that year. Long story - won?t bore you all with that.
> Then STO22. Pic attached, though it could just possibly be the Sound Training Course that came just a bit later. Note: still all wearing ties! Not sure who took this informal pic of ten familiar faces. Clearly not me ?cos I?m in it.
> Anyway, it?s a good shot of the fire hoses if nothing else!
> Maybe someone in the picture knows better.
> Cheers all,
> Nick.
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

From ware.nick at aol.com  Sat Mar 16 13:08:38 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:08:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
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And nothing to do with Evesham, but while I?m in nostalgic mode, how many remember this lovely young lady in white?
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Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 16 Mar 2024, at 17:50, Nick Ware <ware.nick at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?And then, this pic of the Magnificent Seven on the same course.
> Laurie Taylor, Nick Ware, Brian Duffet. The other four were all in recovery mode and couldn?t make it for this pic at the top end of the Wood Norton estate.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Mar 2024, at 17:32, Nick Ware <ware.nick at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I was on TO14 around Jan ?61. I know I had other pictures from then, but, I fear they must have been lost along with much of my pre 1972 photo stuff soon after my Dad died that year. Long story - won?t bore you all with that.
>> Then STO22. Pic attached, though it could just possibly be the Sound Training Course that came just a bit later. Note: still all wearing ties! Not sure who took this informal pic of ten familiar faces. Clearly not me ?cos I?m in it.
>> Anyway, it?s a good shot of the fire hoses if nothing else!
>> Maybe someone in the picture knows better.
>> Cheers all,
>> Nick.
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

From ware.nick at aol.com  Sat Mar 16 16:36:55 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:36:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <244F4146-252F-4D2A-AACC-F460DC1E6A0C@zero51.force9.co.uk>
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Not 100% sure, but that?s what I thought to be right. I think I have a letter that I wrote home from Evesham among my Mother?s old memorabilia. I?ll have to see if I can find it.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 16 Mar 2024, at 20:40, Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Are you sure about TO14 Nick? because I reckoned to be on 14 in the big freeze of January February 1963.
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 16 Mar 2024, at 20:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I was on TO14 around Jan ?61. I know I had other pictures from then, but, I fear they must have been lost along with much of my pre 1972 photo stuff soon after my Dad died that year. Long story - won?t bore you all with that.
> Then STO22. Pic attached, though it could just possibly be the Sound Training Course that came just a bit later. Note: still all wearing ties! Not sure who took this informal pic of ten familiar faces. Clearly not me ?cos I?m in it.
> Anyway, it?s a good shot of the fire hoses if nothing else!
> Maybe someone in the picture knows better.
> Cheers all,
> Nick.
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
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From jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 17:03:02 2024
From: jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com (John Cavaciuti)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:03:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <3D330D07-2926-455A-9FE4-E4D0DB559991@aol.com>
References: <244F4146-252F-4D2A-AACC-F460DC1E6A0C@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<3D330D07-2926-455A-9FE4-E4D0DB559991@aol.com>
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Hi. All,

Yes Peter was on T014, and so were you Nick, standing shoulder to shoulder with Peter in the course photo!

Picture and names attached.

Cheers,

John Cav.





> On 16 Mar 2024, at 21:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Not 100% sure, but that?s what I thought to be right. I think I have a letter that I wrote home from Evesham among my Mother?s old memorabilia. I?ll have to see if I can find it.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Mar 2024, at 20:40, Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Are you sure about TO14 Nick? because I reckoned to be on 14 in the big freeze of January February 1963.
>> 
>> Peter Fox
>> 
>> On 16 Mar 2024, at 20:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I was on TO14 around Jan ?61. I know I had other pictures from then, but, I fear they must have been lost along with much of my pre 1972 photo stuff soon after my Dad died that year. Long story - won?t bore you all with that.
>> Then STO22. Pic attached, though it could just possibly be the Sound Training Course that came just a bit later. Note: still all wearing ties! Not sure who took this informal pic of ten familiar faces. Clearly not me ?cos I?m in it.
>> Anyway, it?s a good shot of the fire hoses if nothing else!
>> Maybe someone in the picture knows better.
>> Cheers all,
>> Nick.
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sun Mar 17 01:35:29 2024
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:35:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <18A592F8-CA5E-4E8C-8B47-A3CF9AE47E53@aol.com>
References: <18A592F8-CA5E-4E8C-8B47-A3CF9AE47E53@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A0F1DCBB-C8EF-48A0-B260-5CF1C8E7C054@zero51.force9.co.uk>

Well Done John Cavacuiti ! I don't see Ricky Stratton on that pic.  I recall following his three wheeler Reliant.  He had a terrible time driving in the rutted frozen snow, with the single front wheel hopping sideways from one rut to another. And I also recall driving my Morris Y type van up Fish Hill in the snow with the back doors open and Ricky on the tailgate ready to hop off and push.  Like Paul Harding, he had come from the same school as I had, hence remembering him being at Wood Norton.   Maybe he was on a parallel direct Ealing Film course, unlike Roger Twyman (and Mike Spooner)  who transferred later.
If no one else recalls him on TO14 that would clear that up.
Apart from Ricky the name list confirms a fair few remembered names and puts back some forgotten ones!  Why does Martyn Swift ring a bell? Did he drop out before the very end of the course? 

Peter Fox

On 16 Mar 2024, at 22:50, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?And then, this pic of the Magnificent Seven on the same course.
Laurie Taylor, Nick Ware, Brian Duffet. The other four were all in recovery mode and couldn?t make it for this pic at the top end of the Wood Norton estate.
Cheers,
Nick.
<image0.jpeg>

Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 16 Mar 2024, at 17:32, Nick Ware <ware.nick at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I was on TO14 around Jan ?61. I know I had other pictures from then, but, I fear they must have been lost along with much of my pre 1972 photo stuff soon after my Dad died that year. Long story - won?t bore you all with that.
> Then STO22. Pic attached, though it could just possibly be the Sound Training Course that came just a bit later. Note: still all wearing ties! Not sure who took this informal pic of ten familiar faces. Clearly not me ?cos I?m in it.
> Anyway, it?s a good shot of the fire hoses if nothing else!
> Maybe someone in the picture knows better.
> Cheers all,
> Nick.
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
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From ware.nick at aol.com  Sun Mar 17 03:42:28 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 08:42:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <A0F1DCBB-C8EF-48A0-B260-5CF1C8E7C054@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <A0F1DCBB-C8EF-48A0-B260-5CF1C8E7C054@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E80A9806-A1F7-48A1-8962-87E5D550B6F1@aol.com>

Yes, fab. I thought TO14 was right, tho? I did have the date wrong, and great to see that picture.
Such memories come flooding back!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 17 Mar 2024, at 06:36, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Well Done John Cavacuiti ! I don't see Ricky Stratton on that pic.  I recall following his three wheeler Reliant.  He had a terrible time driving in the rutted frozen snow, with the single front wheel hopping sideways from one rut to another. And I also recall driving my Morris Y type van up Fish Hill in the snow with the back doors open and Ricky on the tailgate ready to hop off and push.  Like Paul Harding, he had come from the same school as I had, hence remembering him being at Wood Norton.   Maybe he was on a parallel direct Ealing Film course, unlike Roger Twyman (and Mike Spooner)  who transferred later.
> If no one else recalls him on TO14 that would clear that up.
> Apart from Ricky the name list confirms a fair few remembered names and puts back some forgotten ones!  Why does Martyn Swift ring a bell? Did he drop out before the very end of the course?
> 
> Peter Fox



From dford at post.com  Sun Mar 17 04:44:20 2024
From: dford at post.com (David Ford)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:44:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information?  29 September 1968
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 04:58:06 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 09:58:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] David Frost Proigramme
Message-ID: <a8ef6027-cd46-4499-b096-718595bd2dc4@gmail.com>

Hi all,

This is a copy of an email I have sent to Matt Hill - very pleased if 
you have any comments about it that you can send to Matt,

Thanks, Alec

================

Some more scraps which you might find useful for your programme.

This is a view of a camera used on TW3 - the full photo ... was shown in 
a Facebook group (thanks to David Newbitt for finding it):

There are a couple of things of interest.

1.? Arrowed item is the AutoCue "cartridge" without the associated hood 
and its internal mirrors.? The script is running from the bottom roller 
to the top roller in the AutoCue assembly. It was this "cartridge" or 
assembly which had to be changed midway through the programme.? Yes, it 
was under the hood.? Yes, it was fiddly.

2.? The cue light on the top of the camera identifies it as Camera 5.? 
According to the rules at the time, there were 4 live - manned , 
scripted cameras in studios TC2 and TC5? and 5 live manned, scripted 
cameras in studios TC3 and TC4.? Each studio had a live standby camera - 
powered up, lined up, ready to go: the idea was that if a camera failed 
during the transmission of a programme (to transmitter, videotape or 
film recording), the live standby camera could be swapped in (at this 
time, 1963, at least 50% of programmes were live (and yes, we could have 
done "Captain Pugwash" live!)) (it took the Image Orthicon cameras about 
30 minutes to get to working temperature, so the replacement or standby 
camera had to be working right from the start!).? However, nearly always 
in TC3 and TC4, the spare camera was used fully in drama productions, so 
there were effectively 6 cameras (and NO spare! - if a camera failed 
during the live programme, we'd have to busk it..)).? In this studio TC2 
shot, camera 5 is mounted on a Vinten HP pedestal and has AutoCue 
rigged, so it looks very much as if it was used as part of the programme 
(and not as a live standby).

best regards,

Alec

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 05:14:23 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:14:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
In-Reply-To: <trinity-550788d6-b229-48ae-9798-495aea0b7499-1710668659989@3c-app-mailcom-lxa15>
References: <trinity-550788d6-b229-48ae-9798-495aea0b7499-1710668659989@3c-app-mailcom-lxa15>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB2VHnnye=ONLgg79_c1NNN2BmQK8vn8jb7-9tg0-CHVAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Dave for that photo!
Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, 09:58 David Ford via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> Enclosed my Course photograph - TO 29 September 1968Dave Ford
>
> (Looks like I am the new boy!)
>
> Dave Ford
>
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 17 05:23:09 2024
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:23:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <D6A97AD1-0C53-4F35-868C-1CFE871DE7F9@aol.com>
References: <18A592F8-CA5E-4E8C-8B47-A3CF9AE47E53@aol.com>
	<D6A97AD1-0C53-4F35-868C-1CFE871DE7F9@aol.com>
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Hi Nick,
	Nice picture of Barbara. "Lady in white" was also very talented at steering on one of our canal trips.???
Barry.




On 16 Mar 2024, at 18:08, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> And nothing to do with Evesham, but while I?m in nostalgic mode, how many remember this lovely young lady in white?
> <image0.jpeg>
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Mar 2024, at 17:50, Nick Ware <ware.nick at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?And then, this pic of the Magnificent Seven on the same course.
>> Laurie Taylor, Nick Ware, Brian Duffet. The other four were all in recovery mode and couldn?t make it for this pic at the top end of the Wood Norton estate.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 16 Mar 2024, at 17:32, Nick Ware <ware.nick at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I was on TO14 around Jan ?61. I know I had other pictures from then, but, I fear they must have been lost along with much of my pre 1972 photo stuff soon after my Dad died that year. Long story - won?t bore you all with that.
>>> Then STO22. Pic attached, though it could just possibly be the Sound Training Course that came just a bit later. Note: still all wearing ties! Not sure who took this informal pic of ten familiar faces. Clearly not me ?cos I?m in it.
>>> Anyway, it?s a good shot of the fire hoses if nothing else!
>>> Maybe someone in the picture knows better.
>>> Cheers all,
>>> Nick.
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 17 05:37:17 2024
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:37:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
In-Reply-To: <CAJqjnLgUydy0uNNQgMUYCE+Bt37H=gCnkBgbR5Z5Xz6Dumx=Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46ff161-2210-4221-a8b6-6e81dd840118@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<2E42F42C-D1B0-44E8-933D-CC787AFA0403@mac.com>
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Hi Ted,
	Here?s the Evesham archery group in 1965 looking for a balloon to burst no doubt! I think it?s you behind the foreground archer wearing a diamond patterned cardigan. (Gerry Tivers on the left)
Barry.




On 16 Mar 2024, at 15:00, Edward Kent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all
> Living in Warwickshire for many years I often passed the entrance  to WN.  Occasionally  shopping in Evesham, I remembered the fried egg sandwiches they did in the BBC  Club. I couldn't  remember  exactly where it was. 
> It was  a retirement  present  of a Balloon  Flight that brought another memory. After several failed attempts at different locations,  it was always too windy, the newcsite was given, the field opposite WN where we had much fun including an almost disastrous moment when Ian Tomlin or Geoff Tivers shot an arrow directly upwards. We soon scattered when we realised it was going to land right where were standing!.
> Ted Kent
> 
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 14:44 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> On the topic of upsetting lecturers at Evesham. Hope to goodness I?m not repeating a previously told anecdote!
>  
> On TO15 during an Alan Woolford lecture I had a bad nose-bleed and had to absent myself for a spell. A day or two later during another of his lectures I blew my nose rather vigorously, prompting the worthy gentleman to council caution lest I induced another nose-bleed.
>  
> ?Don?t worry? I said ?I?m not that bored yet?. He advanced upon me and as menacingly as he was able (he was actually a thoroughly nice chap) said ?I have more opportunities than you!?
>  
> I think I toned down the repartee after that, but others took up the cause. I remember Sam Wilson on our course (who was possessed of a splendid Irish accent) responding to Woolford?s enquiry as to what part of Ireland he hailed from with ?Liverpool?.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 1:25 PM
> To: Tech Ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information
>  
> I recall being criticised by John (?) Symons for getting full marks in an exam, because he didn?t like people suggesting that his questions weren?t hard enough - and I feel sure that they were much less demanding than these! That was on TO 21 - I must have a course photo somewhere and will post it when I stumble across it.
>  
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Mar 17 05:52:24 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:52:24 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information?  29 September 1968
In-Reply-To: <trinity-550788d6-b229-48ae-9798-495aea0b7499-1710668659989@3c-app-mailcom-lxa15>
References: <trinity-550788d6-b229-48ae-9798-495aea0b7499-1710668659989@3c-app-mailcom-lxa15>
Message-ID: <445B8493D68B4AB29DC7611A2A13104C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Were you all instructed to cross your legs or had you just had a few bevvies?

Looking at some other course photos I have to hand there doesn?t seem to be a convention. Yours (29) all crossed, courses 11, 25 & 26 no crossed legs, 15 & 16 a mixture.

Dave Newbitt.

From: David Ford via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2024 9:44 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968


Enclosed my Course photograph - TO 29 September 1968Dave Ford

(Looks like I am the new boy!)

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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 05:07:48 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:07:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
Message-ID: <60eae9c3-b3cd-4791-aabe-df417c297142@gmail.com>

Watching (and enjoying) that last night, was rather surprised how loud 
the closing music was. As was the trail afterwards. Making the 10 
o'clock news sound very quiet. Has the BBC abandoned peak level being 
-10dB FS? If so, can they apply it to everything?
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Mar 18 05:15:48 2024
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:15:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
In-Reply-To: <60eae9c3-b3cd-4791-aabe-df417c297142@gmail.com>
References: <60eae9c3-b3cd-4791-aabe-df417c297142@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1CEDF136-F6BA-404E-965D-E17D9A020B81@mac.com>

The opening music also set us back in our seats!

Mike G


> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Watching (and enjoying) that last night, was rather surprised how loud the closing music was. As was the trail afterwards. Making the 10 o'clock news sound very quiet. Has the BBC abandoned peak level being -10dB FS? If so, can they apply it to everything?
> -- 
> Dave Plowman
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From philiptyler at me.com  Mon Mar 18 05:30:25 2024
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 10:30:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
In-Reply-To: <1CEDF136-F6BA-404E-965D-E17D9A020B81@mac.com>
References: <1CEDF136-F6BA-404E-965D-E17D9A020B81@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7D939BC6-4B61-40D9-9E3B-937D8BD594B4@me.com>

I wonder if these problems have anything to do with surround sound and coding / decoding?

In my last years at TVC (ending 2009) this used to be a common problem causing much heartache?

A re-edit after a dub often causing problems as the audio might have completely the wrong metadata.

Philip & Bee

> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:16, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The opening music also set us back in our seats!
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Watching (and enjoying) that last night, was rather surprised how loud the closing music was. As was the trail afterwards. Making the 10 o'clock news sound very quiet. Has the BBC abandoned peak level being -10dB FS? If so, can they apply it to everything?
>> --
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Mar 18 06:08:07 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 11:08:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
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-10dB went a long time ago. EBU R128 applies, but does not apply to short items, like Ads & promos (The very things it was designed for) 

Transmission is just one person and a computer. (BBC 1 has a live person speaking so 2 people, most others pre record anouncments) The MCR is the only place anyone would even know what a ppm is & and that's 1 or 2 people across 50 channels. 

Edit suites often use a plug-in (program) that makes what you have done R128 complient. No ears required.

I suspect for Grade 1 TX,s a dog is employed to bite the man if he falls asleep...

You might argue its a miracle its as good as it is......


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The opening music also set us back in our seats!

Mike G


> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Watching (and enjoying) that last night, was rather surprised how loud the closing music was. As was the trail afterwards. Making the 10 o'clock news sound very quiet. Has the BBC abandoned peak level being -10dB FS? If so, can they apply it to everything?
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From ware.nick at aol.com  Mon Mar 18 06:31:41 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 11:31:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
In-Reply-To: <60eae9c3-b3cd-4791-aabe-df417c297142@gmail.com>
References: <60eae9c3-b3cd-4791-aabe-df417c297142@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <104CC8A4-BA91-4384-9114-66682CBF7B1C@aol.com>

Huge fans here too. I thought the sound on last night?s episode was less good than usual overall. I usually quote Death in Paradise as being from a technical point of view, an example of the very best of TV drama - audio, direction, camerawork, and for actually being shot 16x9 (the screen aspect ratio of 99.999% of all domestic tellies). A lot of lip sync issues last night though, even had me wondering at times if it had been shot in another language. Didn?t look at any credits, so don?t take this as a personal criticism if it wasn?t the usual crew, or whatever. Good to see Florence back though - my wife thinks I?ve got the hots for her - maybe I have. ? 
I think a lot of importance is given to loudness metering these days, not so much actual peak levels. I use dBfs and loudness metering here on my desk system (editing and off-air), and am often left wondering if a good old-fashioned PPM had a lot to offer! Sadly no longer have one to compare.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:08, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Watching (and enjoying) that last night, was rather surprised how loud the closing music was. As was the trail afterwards. Making the 10 o'clock news sound very quiet. Has the BBC abandoned peak level being -10dB FS? If so, can they apply it to everything?
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Mar 18 07:06:31 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:06:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
In-Reply-To: <t2blimd9vf4i95gnceq3nsga.1710760087762@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <t2blimd9vf4i95gnceq3nsga.1710760087762@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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I was listening to Greatest Hits Radio in the car a few days ago and wondered how their broadcast technology works. It seems quite sophisticated, but sometimes a bit too clever for its own good.

They transmit multiple variations. Around here I can receive Oxford or Warwickshire. Elsewhere there are other regions, online you can choose from dozens of them.  News and adverts are tailored to each individual region.  I assume that the DJ has to talk until a specific time and then pre-recorded spots of a fixed duration get played into each region before the DJ resumes talking at another predefined time. There is also a premium service where subscribers get another song played while everybody else hears the adverts. 

When it works, it works well enough, but nobody seems to be monitoring the individual channels and there doesn?t seem to be an automatic silence detector.  We quite often get lengthy periods ( >10 secs, sometimes more than a minute ) of dead air, particularly after a news bulletin. There was also an occasion when two adverts played simultaneously, followed by thirty seconds of dead air. 

I don?t listen to the station much as it?s mostly heard in my car, but I?m surprised at the number of errors I?ve noticed in the relatively short times I?ve been listening.

It?s a station which never seems to give time checks, which makes sense when people are listening online.  The time difference between radio reception and on-line listening is many tens of seconds.  One day I parked my car in the drive, walked over to the house and when I got into the kitchen, my wife?s HomePod was still playing the song which I had heard finish playing on the car radio. 

It put me in mind of some of the first web streaming shows I worked on twenty or more years ago, maybe much more.  For one of them I had a mixing position at the back of the hall, with microphones for a host and four guests on the stage. A little before the audience arrived, somebody decided to dress the table and moved all the microphones off.  I wasn?t convinced that they put them back in the right order and of course the labels were at the other end of the cables.  Without an assistant or anybody else who was free at that moment, the most reliable way to identify each microphone was to place a paper cup over one microphone and go to the sound desk to check that it sounded funny, repeating it for the other microphones.  What surprised me was that when I got back to the sound desk, on what we would call the off-air receiver, which shows the web stream in the way that viewers see it, I could watch myself walking up to the stage to put that cup over a microphone.

Similarly on an experimental boxing webcast in the very early days of streaming, the idea was that in order to save bandwidth, the video image would only occupy about ? of the screen and the rest of the screen would contain statistics and graphics.  Those first viewers complained that the graphics were leading the video by more than thirty seconds.  They would be watching the fight when the graphics declared that it was his eighth fight ending in a knockout, but that was while the fight was still happening.  Then he gave his opponent a big thump and the referee started counting.

Alan

> On 18 Mar 2024, at 11:08, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?-10dB went a long time ago. EBU R128 applies, but does not apply to short items, like Ads & promos (The very things it was designed for)
> 
> Transmission is just one person and a computer. (BBC 1 has a live person speaking so 2 people, most others pre record anouncments) The MCR is the only place anyone would even know what a ppm is & and that's 1 or 2 people across 50 channels.
> 
> Edit suites often use a plug-in (program) that makes what you have done R128 complient. No ears required.
> 
> I suspect for Grade 1 TX,s a dog is employed to bite the man if he falls asleep...
> 
> You might argue its a miracle its as good as it is......
> 
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
>  
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 
> +44 7802 243979
> 
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> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: mibridge at mac.com
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
> 
> 
> The opening music also set us back in our seats!
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Watching (and enjoying) that last night, was rather surprised how loud the closing music was. As was the trail afterwards. Making the 10 o'clock news sound very quiet. Has the BBC abandoned peak level being -10dB FS? If so, can they apply it to everything?
>> --
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 07:10:25 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:10:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
In-Reply-To: <t2blimd9vf4i95gnceq3nsga.1710760087762@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <t2blimd9vf4i95gnceq3nsga.1710760087762@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Ah! but sound just happens, doesn't It?

JJ E-E used to train us to even out presenter's delivery.

Michael Buerk was notorious for dropping his voice as he ran out of breath,
so one had to bring the fader back as he replenished.

Please could the dog bite him!

Sound personnel have been dispensed with, cheap reporting?
(Please could cameramen report to the nurses' station for
ears' amputation - obviously not needed).

There was a comedy sketch involving a client at a voice-over session
at a commercial - asking for various words to be stressed unil the artiste
was yelling every line!
And who remembers the 'Bugs Bunny' animated character being shut
out of the studio for being too loud?

Pat H

On 18/03/2024 11:08, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
> -10dB went a long time ago. EBU R128 applies, but does not apply to short items, like Ads & promos (The very things it was designed for)
>
> Transmission is just one person and a computer. (BBC 1 has a live person speaking so 2 people, most others pre record anouncments) The MCR is the only place anyone would even know what a ppm is & and that's 1 or 2 people across 50 channels.
>
> Edit suites often use a plug-in (program) that makes what you have done R128 complient. No ears required.
>
> I suspect for Grade 1 TX,s a dog is employed to bite the man if he falls asleep...
>
> You might argue its a miracle its as good as it is......
>
>
> Paul Thackray
>
>   
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> +44 7802 243979
>
> Mail;paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
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> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
>
>
> The opening music also set us back in our seats!
>
> Mike G
>
>
>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> Watching (and enjoying) that last night, was rather surprised how loud the closing music was. As was the trail afterwards. Making the 10 o'clock news sound very quiet. Has the BBC abandoned peak level being -10dB FS? If so, can they apply it to everything?
>> --
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>> London, SW
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Mon Mar 18 08:52:37 2024
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (John Barlow)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:52:37 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] So much sad news
Message-ID: <012b01da793b$89811360$9c833a20$@btopenworld.com>

I'm only just catching up with the spate of funerals recently announced
having been out of the loop for a while.

Stuart Lindley was such a lovely cameraman and was, of course, No.2 to Ken
Major for many years. Together they created a Crew that it was always a
pleasure to work with. Stuart was married to Sylvia, from Tech Ops
Allocations, and Laura and I enjoyed numerous dinners together with them.
Stuart seemed always to be infectiously happy with life and this made
working with him a pleasure. It also influenced the Actors and I recall
Stephanie Beacham and Bert Kwouk, during TENKO, being so pleased when Stuart
was on set.

My main memories of Bill Jenkins were of Bill and TV5, the ABS Branch for
Tech Ops at TVC though, strangely, I can't remember us actually working as
cameramen together, but we must have. Bill was part of the lifeblood of TV5
and through him and his determination so many improvements to our
"Conditions of Service" were gained and are still through, our pensions,
being enjoyed today. 

John Dailley surely is one of the "Greats" from the heydays of TVC. His
personality made him a friend and favourite for all that knew him and add in
his technical expertise this made him one of the most in-demand Camer
Supervisors. Astute, innovative and wonderful to work with he, like Stuart
and Bill, will be missed and it all feels like the end of an era.

My sincere condolences to all friends and family of these three icons of the
best days at the BBC.

John Barlow

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From david.jasma at sky.com  Mon Mar 18 09:08:52 2024
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 14:08:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Greater hits radio
References: <579b5d7c-4eab-48c7-a2e8-067bb3178962.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <579b5d7c-4eab-48c7-a2e8-067bb3178962@sky.com>

Like Alan Taylor, I've often wondered how GHR is distributed/or 
switched. When listening on FM from our local TX, you can hear quite 
obvious quality changes from time to time, which makes me suspect that 
the feeds are over the internet (which makes sense - does anyone use 
music lines nowadays?)

What I do know is that here in Dumfries, where it is known as West 
Sound, West Sound as an entity is not now in the town - the offices have 
closed down and the telephone number has been disconnected.

This raised a problem a few months back when, on turning on at about 
9.30 one morning all we heard was howl round! This lasted for quite a 
time until someone noticed and normal service was resumed. However, I 
have yet to find a telephone number in case there are other faults.

Dave Buckley


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Mar 18 09:38:18 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 14:38:18 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley
Message-ID: <2E4B105EF8794154882D73CA0311ABC9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I posted the below this morning on the ?Announce? forum in response to the announcement there by Dudley Darby. I rather suspect it may have gone astray.

Dave Newbitt.

From: David Newbitt 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 10:56 AM
To: Dudley Darby ; announce at tech-ops.co.uk 
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
Subject: Re: [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley

A little surprised not to have seen any posts remembering Stuart. Towards the end of my BBC time he was No.2 cameraman on Ken Major?s crew which for some time was also my crew ? think it was Crew 16. I knew him quite well and liked and respected him.

About 5 years ago this picture was posted on the ?Memories of .........TV Centre?, I think by Maggie Partington Smith. ?It Ain?t Half Hot Mum? of course with Stuart seen 3rd row back second from left with the darkly clad Ken Major beside him. I was there but, camera shy as ever, stood aside.



So sad to find those of us still around from those times are an ever diminishing number.

Dave Newbitt.



From: Dudley Darby via Announce 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2024 12:08 PM
To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley

Hi all

Heard from Mary Rider via Stuart's youngest daughter Karen that Stuart Lindley had passed away late on 13th March 2024 in Northampton. He was 89.

Details of his funeral to follow.

Best regards

Dudley

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Mar 18 09:46:37 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 14:46:37 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley
Message-ID: <40E3E28E056041CDB11466AC0D0F3E42@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I posted the below this morning on the ?Announce? forum in response to the announcement there by Dudley Darby. I rather suspect it may have gone astray.

Dave Newbitt.



From: David Newbitt 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 10:56 AM
To: Dudley Darby ; announce at tech-ops.co.uk 
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
Subject: Re: [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley

A little surprised not to have seen any posts remembering Stuart. Towards the end of my BBC time he was No.2 cameraman on Ken Major?s crew which for some time was also my crew ? think it was Crew 16. I knew him quite well and liked and respected him.

About 5 years ago this picture was posted on the ?Memories of .........TV Centre?, I think by Maggie Partington Smith. ?It Ain?t Half Hot Mum? of course with Stuart seen 3rd row back second from left with the darkly clad Ken Major beside him. I was there but, camera shy as ever, stood aside.



So sad to find those of us still around from those times are an ever diminishing number.

Dave Newbitt.



From: Dudley Darby via Announce 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2024 12:08 PM
To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley

Hi all

Heard from Mary Rider via Stuart's youngest daughter Karen that Stuart Lindley had passed away late on 13th March 2024 in Northampton. He was 89.

Details of his funeral to follow.

Best regards

Dudley

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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 10:29:59 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:29:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley
In-Reply-To: <2E4B105EF8794154882D73CA0311ABC9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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What a great pic to have!

Pat

On 18/03/2024 14:38, David Newbitt wrote:
> I posted the below this morning on the ?Announce? forum in response to 
> the announcement there by Dudley Darby. I rather suspect it may have 
> gone astray.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* David Newbitt
> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2024 10:56 AM
> *To:* Dudley Darby ; announce at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Cc:* dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley
> A little surprised not to have seen any posts remembering Stuart. 
> Towards the end of my BBC time he was No.2 cameraman on Ken Major?s 
> crew which for some time was also my crew ? think it was Crew 16. I 
> knew him quite well and liked and respected him.
> About 5 years ago this picture was posted on the ?Memories of 
> .........TV Centre?, I think by Maggie Partington Smith. ?It Ain?t 
> Half Hot Mum? of course with Stuart seen 3rd row back second from left 
> with the darkly clad Ken Major beside him. I was there but, camera shy 
> as ever, stood aside.
> It ain't half hot mum edit
> So sad to find those of us still around from those times are an ever 
> diminishing number.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Dudley Darby via Announce
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 17, 2024 12:08 PM
> *To:* announce at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Announce] More sad news - Stuart Lindley
> Hi all
>
> Heard from Mary Rider via Stuart's youngest daughter Karen that Stuart 
> Lindley had passed away late on 13th March 2024 in Northampton. He was 89.
>
> Details of his funeral to follow.
>
> Best regards
>
> Dudley
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 10:49:51 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:49:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] More about B & W Minstrels
Message-ID: <f408d619-ebe7-45df-80f1-57b178fbafae@gmail.com>

As Alec wanted to see the 8mm film I shot, there are more stories about 
this show.

Attached another screed.

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Mar 18 12:01:13 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 17:01:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
In-Reply-To: <29ca4c17-7099-45ca-9a94-181318d30398@gmail.com>
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	<29ca4c17-7099-45ca-9a94-181318d30398@gmail.com>
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Nurses station?That?s been done away with, they?ve subcontracted the job to some guy called Vincent?

> On 18 Mar 2024, at 12:10, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Sound personnel have been dispensed with, cheap reporting?
> (Please could cameramen report to the nurses' station for
> ears' amputation - obviously not needed).
> 

? 
Graeme Wall




From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Mar 18 13:24:43 2024
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 18:24:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
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?Nurse the Screens!? was regularly to be heard over PTB when a certain, well known, ITV director was at the helm . . .

> On 18 Mar 2024, at 17:01, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Nurses station?That?s been done away with, they?ve subcontracted the job to some guy called Vincent?
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 12:10, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Sound personnel have been dispensed with, cheap reporting?
>> (Please could cameramen report to the nurses' station for
>> ears' amputation - obviously not needed).
>> 
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 13:48:29 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 18:48:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Death in Paradise
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I was actually referring to wherever the unit nurse set up shop,
On 'Man with the Golden Gun' we were pratting around on the canals of 
Bangkok,
they were called Klongs - there was one named Klong Pong!

The production thought it sensible for us to have an inoculation against 
Hepatitis,
so we went to see Nursey when we could.
I marched in, asking left arm or right arm?
Neither, she said - drop your pants - it's in yer bum!
She wasn't joking!

On 18/03/2024 18:24, Hugh Snape wrote:
> ?Nurse the Screens!? was regularly to be heard over PTB when a certain, well known, ITV director was at the helm . . .
>
>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 17:01, Graeme Wall via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> Nurses station?That?s been done away with, they?ve subcontracted the job to some guy called Vincent
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Mar 18 19:00:26 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 00:00:26 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Greater hits radio
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Hi Dave,

I believe the contact for all of Scotland is


0333 202 0401
 
ghrscotland at bauermedia.co.uk


Paul
Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Buckley via
Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2024 14:09
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Greater hits radio

Like Alan Taylor, I've often wondered how GHR is distributed/or switched.
When listening on FM from our local TX, you can hear quite obvious quality
changes from time to time, which makes me suspect that the feeds are over
the internet (which makes sense - does anyone use music lines nowadays?)

What I do know is that here in Dumfries, where it is known as West Sound,
West Sound as an entity is not now in the town - the offices have closed
down and the telephone number has been disconnected.

This raised a problem a few months back when, on turning on at about
9.30 one morning all we heard was howl round! This lasted for quite a time
until someone noticed and normal service was resumed. However, I have yet to
find a telephone number in case there are other faults.

Dave Buckley

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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 19 05:30:47 2024
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (A Barber)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 10:30:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] So much sad news
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Dear John
This link may be of interest.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/mypension/prospero-online/obituaries/
Best wishes and happy Easter to everyone.
Albert


https://www.bbc.co.uk/mypension/prospero-online/obituaries/?
Obituaries
bbc.co.uk


> On 18 Mar 2024, at 14:33, Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Great to commemorate. You can add commemorations to the BBC Cardiff ?Your Pensions? site which publishes them. You may have to do a search I?ll see if I can send a link. 
> Albert 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 13:53, John Barlow via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I?m only just catching up with the spate of funerals recently announhaving been out of the loop for a while.
>> 
>> Stuart Lindley was such a lovely cameraman and was, of course, No.2 to Ken Major for many years. Together they created a Crew that it was always a pleasure to work with. Stuart was married to Sylvia, from Tech Ops Allocations, and Laura and I enjoyed numerous dinners together with them. Stuart seemed always to be infectiously happy with life and this made working with him a pleasure. It also influenced the Actors and I recall Stephanie Beacham and Bert Kwouk, during TENKO, being so pleased when Stuart was on set.
>> 
>> My main memories of Bill Jenkins were of Bill and TV5, the ABS Branch for Tech Ops at TVC though, strangely, I can?t remember us actually working as cameramen together, but we must have. Bill was part of the lifeblood of TV5 and through him and his determination so many improvements to our ?Conditions of Service? were gained and are still through, our pensions, being enjoyed today. 
>> 
>> John Dailley surely is one of the ?Greats? from the heydays of TVC. His personality made him a friend and favourite for all that knew him and add in his technical expertise this made him one of the most in-demand Camer Supervisors. Astute, innovative and wonderful to work with he, like Stuart and Bill, will be missed and it all feels like the end of an era.
>> 
>> My sincere condolences to all friends and family of these three icons of the best days at the BBC.
>> 
>> John Barlow
>> 
>> (Once HTelCam, TVC)
>> 
>>  
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From ted123kent at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 07:23:35 2024
From: ted123kent at gmail.com (Edward Kent)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:23:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB2VHnnye=ONLgg79_c1NNN2BmQK8vn8jb7-9tg0-CHVAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Attached are my archery picture of Gerry Tivers and Ian Tomlinat Evesham.
Thanks the photo of the Balloon shoot Barry. I don't remember that but I am
the second person from the front with my back towards the camera. I seem to
remember we had some training before they let us loose on our own. Also a
picture of a camera and racks at Evesham. Not sure what sort but seemed
primitive after working at TC.
ALso my offer of appointment. But we didn't start till January as the Beeb
was hard up.
Also have the Civil defence instructions from the induction week bu tit
will take a while to sort it as it is foolscap paper.
Ted Kent


On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 at 11:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Thank you Dave for that photo!
> Best regards Alec
>
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, 09:58 David Ford via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Enclosed my Course photograph - TO 29 September 1968Dave Ford
>>
>> (Looks like I am the new boy!)
>>
>> Dave Ford
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Mar 19 07:29:16 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:29:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
In-Reply-To: <CAJqjnLjrcBprkijM_Q6BbD_kwCKgQeb1fq_QbmLK3Q_8VTdpDw@mail.gmail.com>
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Interesting looking at the salary scales, when I joined 5 years later, in Apri1969, my starting salary (at 20) was ?666 per annum.

> On 19 Mar 2024, at 12:23, Edward Kent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Attached are my archery picture of Gerry Tivers and Ian Tomlinat Evesham. Thanks the photo of the Balloon shoot Barry. I don't remember that but I am the second person from the front with my back towards the camera. I seem to remember we had some training before they let us loose on our own. Also a picture of a camera and racks at Evesham. Not sure what sort but seemed primitive after working at TC.
> ALso my offer of appointment. But we didn't start till January as the Beeb was hard up.
> Also have the Civil defence instructions from the induction week bu tit will take a while to sort it as it is foolscap paper.
> Ted Kent
> 
> 
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 at 11:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Thank you Dave for that photo!
> Best regards Alec 
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
> 
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, 09:58 David Ford via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Enclosed my Course photograph - TO 29 September 1968Dave Ford
>   (Looks like I am the new boy!)
>   Dave Ford
> 
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? 
Graeme Wall




From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 07:30:54 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:30:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
In-Reply-To: <CAJqjnLjrcBprkijM_Q6BbD_kwCKgQeb1fq_QbmLK3Q_8VTdpDw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you for your email!
Best regards Alec,


Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, 12:23 Edward Kent, <ted123kent at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Attached are my archery picture of Gerry Tivers and Ian Tomlinat Evesham.
> Thanks the photo of the Balloon shoot Barry. I don't remember that but I am
> the second person from the front with my back towards the camera. I seem to
> remember we had some training before they let us loose on our own. Also a
> picture of a camera and racks at Evesham. Not sure what sort but seemed
> primitive after working at TC.
> ALso my offer of appointment. But we didn't start till January as the Beeb
> was hard up.
> Also have the Civil defence instructions from the induction week bu tit
> will take a while to sort it as it is foolscap paper.
> Ted Kent
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 at 11:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Dave for that photo!
>> Best regards Alec
>>
>> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>>
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, 09:58 David Ford via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Enclosed my Course photograph - TO 29 September 1968Dave Ford
>>>
>>> (Looks like I am the new boy!)
>>>
>>> Dave Ford
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From ted123kent at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 07:42:50 2024
From: ted123kent at gmail.com (Edward Kent)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:42:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB3c1vMRLNSeYkHj_YDWWNoheJpQdP5D9mMxu5+Z45rd1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAA0HHB2VHnnye=ONLgg79_c1NNN2BmQK8vn8jb7-9tg0-CHVAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAA0HHB3c1vMRLNSeYkHj_YDWWNoheJpQdP5D9mMxu5+Z45rd1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi I carried on working  in the  factory where I had my holiday job till
the beeb finally employed  us all on TO/21 and 22 and I
earned there ?5.50 a week which was ?280 a year.  But I soon learnt that
the salary scale had little  to do with take home pay. All those extras of
acting pay on the Boom pool or when someone was on holiday. It was good
pay.
Cheers Ted

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, 12:31 Alec Bray, <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for your email!
> Best regards Alec,
>
>
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, 12:23 Edward Kent, <ted123kent at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Attached are my archery picture of Gerry Tivers and Ian Tomlinat Evesham.
>> Thanks the photo of the Balloon shoot Barry. I don't remember that but I am
>> the second person from the front with my back towards the camera. I seem to
>> remember we had some training before they let us loose on our own. Also a
>> picture of a camera and racks at Evesham. Not sure what sort but seemed
>> primitive after working at TC.
>> ALso my offer of appointment. But we didn't start till January as the
>> Beeb was hard up.
>> Also have the Civil defence instructions from the induction week bu tit
>> will take a while to sort it as it is foolscap paper.
>> Ted Kent
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 at 11:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Dave for that photo!
>>> Best regards Alec
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, 09:58 David Ford via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Enclosed my Course photograph - TO 29 September 1968Dave Ford
>>>>
>>>> (Looks like I am the new boy!)
>>>>
>>>> Dave Ford
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 03:47:09 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 08:47:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Incorrect posting
Message-ID: <eb2eadfa-8215-4e6e-bb84-120e9ccdd210@gmail.com>

Dear All,

On 18th March, a? message was posted from my new e-mail address:
patrick.heigham at gmail.com
it was titled 'More about the B & W Minstrels'

It had a .pdf attachment, which contained a 19 page financial report
which somehow got mistakenly attached.
This was never intended for Tech-Ops, so if you find it in your e-mail 
in-box,
it would be appreciated if you would delete it together with its attachment.

Thanks

Pat H
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 04:58:26 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 09:58:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Incorrect posting
In-Reply-To: <eb2eadfa-8215-4e6e-bb84-120e9ccdd210@gmail.com>
References: <eb2eadfa-8215-4e6e-bb84-120e9ccdd210@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e784705d-66c5-4f06-b032-d782289a6ed8@gmail.com>

Hi Pat,
         On 19th March, I got an odd message from my email host. It said 
"A protected document has been sent to your dave at davesound.co.uk account."
And then details of how to access it.
Since I wasn't expecting such a thing and wary of scams I ignored it.
Was your file protected in some way?

The fact it went to a previous address for this group isn't unusual - 
some posts from here go to that one, some to the current address, and 
some to both. And some don't arrive at all.

On 21/03/2024 08:47, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear All,
> n't
> On 18th March, a? message was posted from my new e-mail address:
> patrick.heigham at gmail.com
> it was titled 'More about the B & W Minstrels'
> 
> It had a .pdf attachment, which contained a 19 page financial report
> which somehow got mistakenly attached.
> This was never intended for Tech-Ops, so if you find it in your e-mail 
> in-box,
> it would be appreciated if you would delete it together with its attachment.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Pat H
> 
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From johnk.farr at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar 21 09:34:55 2024
From: johnk.farr at tiscali.co.uk (john farr)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 14:34:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
In-Reply-To: <16E413C0-55CA-4C02-8B2A-5EDD8C0CCA30@icloud.com>
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A bit more history, when I joined in 1955 my starting salary was ?408 per year

John Farr


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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 19 March 2024 12:29
To: Edward Kent
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968

Interesting looking at the salary scales, when I joined 5 years later, in Apri1969, my starting salary (at 20) was ?666 per annum.

> On 19 Mar 2024, at 12:23, Edward Kent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Attached are my archery picture of Gerry Tivers and Ian Tomlinat Evesham. Thanks the photo of the Balloon shoot Barry. I don't remember that but I am the second person from the front with my back towards the camera. I seem to remember we had some training before they let us loose on our own. Also a picture of a camera and racks at Evesham. Not sure what sort but seemed primitive after working at TC.
> ALso my offer of appointment. But we didn't start till January as the Beeb was hard up.
> Also have the Civil defence instructions from the induction week bu tit will take a while to sort it as it is foolscap paper.
> Ted Kent
> 
> 
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 at 11:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Thank you Dave for that photo!
> Best regards Alec 
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
> 
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, 09:58 David Ford via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Enclosed my Course photograph - TO 29 September 1968Dave Ford
>   (Looks like I am the new boy!)
>   Dave Ford
> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Mar 21 10:16:07 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 15:16:07 +0000
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Thu Mar 21 10:48:20 2024
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 15:48:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
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When I joined on A51 in Feb (March?) 1978 I believe our starting salary was conveniently a ?warm colour temperature? - ?2950

Pretty good salary as I recall (although the next year I did spend over a third of it on one ski trip, well to be more precise, a drinking holiday with Pete Evans in a ski resort!!!)

Happy Daze

Graham Maunder

?Apodis Media . Brackenwood, High Road . Pinner . Middx . HA5 2HQ
            Mobile: 07831 515678   Visit Us: www.apodis.tv

> On 21 Mar 2024, at 15:16, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Quite a reasonable salary at the time I suspect. Average house price only about 3 times that?
> 
> By 1979  I was offered ?3,600 including London weighting. Night shifts about ?7 per night extra (until the start of Breakfast TV when it became ?7 per hour overnight TV had far more sway then the Wireless) 15p Lunches Vouchers for meals over 5...
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
>  
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 
> +44 7802 243979 <tel:+447802243979>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>  
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> 
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 21 March 2024 14:35
> To: graeme.wall at icloud.com <mailto:graeme.wall at icloud.com>; ted123kent at gmail.com <mailto:ted123kent at gmail.com>
> Reply to: johnk.farr at tiscali.co.uk <mailto:johnk.farr at tiscali.co.uk>
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
> 
> A bit more history, when I joined in 1955 my starting salary was ?408 per year
>  
> John Farr
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>  
> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 19 March 2024 12:29
> To: Edward Kent <mailto:ted123kent at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tech ops <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
>  
> Interesting looking at the salary scales, when I joined 5 years later, in Apri1969, my starting salary (at 20) was ?666 per annum.
>  
> > On 19 Mar 2024, at 12:23, Edward Kent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Attached are my archery picture of Gerry Tivers and Ian Tomlinat Evesham. Thanks the photo of the Balloon shoot Barry. I don't remember that but I am the second person from the front with my back towards the camera. I seem to remember we had some training before they let us loose on our own. Also a picture of a camera and racks at Evesham. Not sure what sort but seemed primitive after working at TC.
> > ALso my offer of appointment. But we didn't start till January as the Beeb was hard up.
> > Also have the Civil defence instructions from the induction week bu tit will take a while to sort it as it is foolscap paper.
> > Ted Kent
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 at 11:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> > Thank you Dave for that photo!
> > Best regards Alec 
> > 
> > Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
> > 
> > On Sun, 17 Mar 2024, 09:58 David Ford via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> > 
> > Enclosed my Course photograph - TO 29 September 1968Dave Ford
> >   (Looks like I am the new boy!)
> >   Dave Ford
> > 
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 02:36:43 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 07:36:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
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Message-ID: <338e4c8a-9ac4-4746-aaf8-ea628c25962a@gmail.com>

Ah! The second meal of the day allowance. I recall that if one took it 
in cash, then tax was payable, but part in LV
only taxed on the cash part. Can't remember the actual figures.

Pat H

On 21/03/2024 15:16, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
> Quite a reasonable salary at the time I suspect. Average house price 
> only about 3 times that?
>
> By 1979? I was offered ?3,600 including London weighting. Night shifts 
> about ?7 per night extra (until the start of Breakfast TV when it 
> became ?7 per hour overnight TV had far more sway then the Wireless) 
> 15p Lunches Vouchers for meals over 5...
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> +44 7802 243979 <tel:+447802243979>
>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 03:13:27 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 08:13:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Apropos B & W Minstrels
Message-ID: <97fda93e-22f1-48f1-81a7-21ff93b3ee8b@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I was in contact with Dot Mitchell yesterday (George Mitchell's widow - 
now remarried)

She has a collection of George's material and wonders what to do with 
it, whether a small museum
might be set up, perhaps.

Amongst his effects are:
All sheet music scores of his arrangements
The actual Golden Rose of Montreux trophy
Other award trophies
Golden discs awarded to the Minstrels.

Anyone got any ideas?
I wondered if MOMI (Museum of the Moving Image) might take them.

John Henshall has contacts at BFI, I believe - any thoughts John? Simon?

Pat H
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 03:32:07 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 08:32:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
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Well done, Ted. That is what I remember, now.
Eating out if working in TVT - one of the caffs opposite did Golden 
Sponge pudding!
If feeling flush, went to Bertorelli's on the green.
Often took girlfriends out to their Charlotte St venue and maybe to 
Queensway.

Once in a while, indulged at the waitress service in the TVC block, but 
mostly
a pie and a pint in the Club!

Stood behind Lonnie Donegan in LG canteen and was surprised at how much 
of a titch
he was - wore cuban heels to lift his height!

Pat H

On 22/03/2024 08:09, Edward Kent wrote:
> In the late 60s it was 3 shillings in vouchers (tax free) and 1s and 
> 9d in cash. You got a good meal for that at TC. Lime Grove wasn't? too 
> bad but not much choice. I think that at Riverside and thr Theatre we 
> used to eat out as very little to have.
> Ted
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, 07:36 PATRICK HEIGHAM, 
> <patrick.heigham at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Ah! The second meal of the day allowance. I recall that if one
>     took it in cash, then tax was payable, but part in LV
>     only taxed on the cash part. Can't remember the actual figures.
>
>     Pat H
>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 04:41:23 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:41:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Missing Evesham Information? 29 September 1968
In-Reply-To: <338e4c8a-9ac4-4746-aaf8-ea628c25962a@gmail.com>
References: <nu5f7u3ap23bnksgqabjgov0.1711034167498@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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The tax free part was 3 shillings.  Which was enough to get a meal when 
introduced. But never index linked.  Bit like the 25p extra you get on 
the OAP at age 80. When that was introduced, it would nearly buy a 
couple of pints of beer.

On 22/03/2024 07:36, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote:
> Ah! The second meal of the day allowance. I recall that if one took it 
> in cash, then tax was payable, but part in LV
> only taxed on the cash part. Can't remember the actual figures.
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 21/03/2024 15:16, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>> Quite a reasonable salary at the time I suspect. Average house price 
>> only about 3 times that?
>>
>> By 1979? I was offered ?3,600 including London weighting. Night shifts 
>> about ?7 per night extra (until the start of Breakfast TV when it 
>> became ?7 per hour overnight TV had far more sway then the Wireless) 
>> 15p Lunches Vouchers for meals over 5...
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>> +44 7802 243979 <tel:+447802243979>
>>
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>>
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From sue.malden at outlook.com  Fri Mar 22 04:43:46 2024
From: sue.malden at outlook.com (Sue Malden)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:43:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Apropos B & W Minstrels
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References: <97fda93e-22f1-48f1-81a7-21ff93b3ee8b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR10MB22715CBF03CC032BEB3033509E312@VI1PR10MB2271.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Has she approached the BBC archive ?

Cheers Sue

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2024 8:13 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Simon Vaughan <simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tech1] Apropos B & W Minstrels


Hi all,

I was in contact with Dot Mitchell yesterday (George Mitchell's widow - now remarried)

She has a collection of George's material and wonders what to do with it, whether a small museum
might be set up, perhaps.

Amongst his effects are:
All sheet music scores of his arrangements
The actual Golden Rose of Montreux trophy
Other award trophies
Golden discs awarded to the Minstrels.

Anyone got any ideas?
I wondered if MOMI (Museum of the Moving Image) might take them.

John Henshall has contacts at BFI, I believe - any thoughts John? Simon?

Pat H
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From apts at apts.org.uk  Fri Mar 22 05:58:52 2024
From: apts at apts.org.uk (apts at apts.org.uk)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 10:58:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Apropos B & W Minstrels
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri Mar 22 06:18:47 2024
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 11:18:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Apropos B & W Minstrels
In-Reply-To: <97fda93e-22f1-48f1-81a7-21ff93b3ee8b@gmail.com>
References: <97fda93e-22f1-48f1-81a7-21ff93b3ee8b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0d03d79-7bd7-4362-abe0-c11adf04040d@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Pat,

Good morning.

It may not be the best choice, but a friend of mine runs a 'Radio 
Museum' in Watchet.  It is very BBC orientated as it was originally 
based at the BBC Washford Transmitter.

I'll ask and see what he says.


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk

On 22/03/2024 08:13, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I was in contact with Dot Mitchell yesterday (George Mitchell's widow - 
> now remarried)
> 
> She has a collection of George's material and wonders what to do with 
> it, whether a small museum
> might be set up, perhaps.
> 
> Amongst his effects are:
> All sheet music scores of his arrangements
> The actual Golden Rose of Montreux trophy
> Other award trophies
> Golden discs awarded to the Minstrels.
> 
> Anyone got any ideas?
> I wondered if MOMI (Museum of the Moving Image) might take them.
> 
> John Henshall has contacts at BFI, I believe - any thoughts John? Simon?
> 
> Pat H
> 
> 


From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 06:55:32 2024
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 11:55:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Apropos B & W Minstrels
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR10MB22715CBF03CC032BEB3033509E312@VI1PR10MB2271.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <97fda93e-22f1-48f1-81a7-21ff93b3ee8b@gmail.com>
	<VI1PR10MB22715CBF03CC032BEB3033509E312@VI1PR10MB2271.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAFKgnyzJYmg5m0u47O1qKWxDqh1zPOvHSVgOsfpDH_+zWk9Tcg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure that the BBC Written Archives would be a good home for the sheet
music. While BBC Heritage will surely find room for the trophies and other
material.

David


On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 at 09:44, Sue Malden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Has she approached the BBC archive ?
>
>
>
> Cheers Sue
>
>
>
> *From:* Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *PATRICK
> HEIGHAM via Tech1
> *Sent:* Friday, March 22, 2024 8:13 AM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Simon Vaughan <simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Apropos B & W Minstrels
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was in contact with Dot Mitchell yesterday (George Mitchell's widow -
> now remarried)
>
> She has a collection of George's material and wonders what to do with it,
> whether a small museum
> might be set up, perhaps.
>
> Amongst his effects are:
> All sheet music scores of his arrangements
> The actual Golden Rose of Montreux trophy
> Other award trophies
> Golden discs awarded to the Minstrels.
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
> I wondered if MOMI (Museum of the Moving Image) might take them.
>
> John Henshall has contacts at BFI, I believe - any thoughts John? Simon?
>
> Pat H
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From chrisandmarg at metronet.co.uk  Fri Mar 22 15:44:15 2024
From: chrisandmarg at metronet.co.uk (Christopher Pocock)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 20:44:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Stuart Lindley and Crew 16
Message-ID: <c8d33b1b-82d8-4a7e-aef8-7b754dc6b59a@metronet.co.uk>

I remember Stuart very well from when I was on Crew 16. I spent many 
happy hours on the boom on M&W shows just behind Stuart con cam.2. I 
rather thought that a joke made during rehearsals was kept in if both of 
us laughed! However Stuart was somewhat nearer.

Stuart was also good humoured most of the time and helped to make 16 a 
very happy crew on which to serve.

I attach a couple pictures of Crew 16.

Chris Pocock
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From robsuth at live.com  Sun Mar 24 15:03:18 2024
From: robsuth at live.com (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:03:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Removal of name from Tech Ops mailing lists
Message-ID: <DB3P195MB2231AF6A82A295F85AAF485BC6372@DB3P195MB2231.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

Since the passing of Bernie Newnham I?m not sure who to address this request to - Paul Thackeray perhaps? - but it?s a plea on behalf of Carol Sadler asking if Colin Hazlewood?s name could be removed from the circulation lists as she finds it upsetting to still be receiving all the Forum and Announce mailing stuff in Colin?s name two and a half years after be passed away.

I know that the Tech Ops mailings are still happening more or less but if there is someone on the system who could delete Colin?s name I know that Carol would be very grateful.

Many thanks

Robin Sutherland

From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Mar 25 05:31:38 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 10:31:38 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Removal of name from Tech Ops mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <DB3P195MB2231AF6A82A295F85AAF485BC6372@DB3P195MB2231.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <DB3P195MB2231AF6A82A295F85AAF485BC6372@DB3P195MB2231.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <003401da7e9f$9fe73300$dfb59900$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

This has been delt with and I have let Carol know directly.

I do not believe Bernie had a process for removal of Emails other than by request. 

I can see quite a number of email addresses still on the system for members no longer with us.

I know in some cases, other family members are still using the old email address and wish to continue. The issue is made more difficult as 'Real Names' are not compulsory, so we have a number of Email addresses , where the address does not include the name, so I have no way of knowing who it belongs too! Some people have 2,3 or 4 different addresses registered and I have no way to know if this is deliberate or some are 'old' and should be removed.
Anyone who wants to remove their addresses from 1 or both lists, please email Directly with Email addresses and which lists you want it removed from , I will remove them.

If you are using someone else's Email and would prefer to have your own instead, again let me know the details directly and I will make the changes. 

It would be good to tidy things up. Currently every 'Chat' email goes to around 250 addresses and every 'Announce' goes to about 350 (So this Email will send 600 emails.)

If you think you might have old addresses left on the system, but are not sure, let me have details and I will check and remove if still present.

Thanks
Paul

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
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-----Original Message-----
From: Announce <announce-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Robin Sutherland via Announce
Sent: 24 March 2024 20:03
To: Tech Ops Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk>; Tech Ops Forum <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Cc: Carol Sadler <carolsadler at lightingcameras.com>
Subject: [Announce] Removal of name from Tech Ops mailing lists

Hi all

Since the passing of Bernie Newnham I?m not sure who to address this request to - Paul Thackeray perhaps? - but it?s a plea on behalf of Carol Sadler asking if Colin Hazlewood?s name could be removed from the circulation lists as she finds it upsetting to still be receiving all the Forum and Announce mailing stuff in Colin?s name two and a half years after be passed away.

I know that the Tech Ops mailings are still happening more or less but if there is someone on the system who could delete Colin?s name I know that Carol would be very grateful.

Many thanks

Robin Sutherland
-- 
Announce mailing list
Announce at tech-ops.co.uk
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 26 07:27:35 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 12:27:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Broadcast for Mike Jordan
Message-ID: <48d4b0e6-c63d-4bce-be61-a06317b66339@gmail.com>

Apologies to the majority - I am trying to contact Mike Jordan. A 
broadcast message seems to be the only way to guarantee delivery!

Best regards, Alec


Hi Mike,

My current task is to review some of the entries in the Tech Ops 
website, and where possible check on some of the external references. 
Unfortunately, the Web Addresses for the following items give an error 
message of 404 - File or directory Not found. The website is giving an 
error:


    403 - Forbidden: Access is denied.

I wonder if you have copies of the books whether or not you could copy 
(as PDF) some relevant pages?

=========== cut from page ========

==========


Thanks in advance,


Alec


-- 
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alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 07:26:03 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:26:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Continui....who cares ...
Message-ID: <407d6aea-6c40-4f25-850f-fcb5fa606970@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Due to my wife's recent hospitalisation -? better now, but still in a 
lot of pain - we did not get round to watching "Beyond Paradise" until 
yesterday? (Wednesday after the broadcast? the previous Friday).

OH how lovely!!? Great Western locomotives and chocolate and cream 
coaches - almost a dream...

BUT...

A locomotive with side tanks, outside cylinders and connecting rods, and 
a 2-6-2 wheel configuration approaches a tunnel and then suddenly 
becomes a pannier tank with inside cylinders and an 0-6-0 wheel 
configuration entering the tunnel? (about 10 minutes into the episode):



Luckily this is the only time that it happens.

Mind you, the fictional line must have been a very large continuous loop 
of track - a "tailchaser" as the loco and train were always going the 
same way ...


Best regards,

Alec



-- 
=====================================

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alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 10:47:36 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:47:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Continui....who cares ...
In-Reply-To: <c0bbd67a-c027-479e-9ce1-c9df5a9ed480@sky.com>
References: <407d6aea-6c40-4f25-850f-fcb5fa606970@gmail.com>
	<c0bbd67a-c027-479e-9ce1-c9df5a9ed480@sky.com>
Message-ID: <72fe3a92-82a0-4644-90da-23c354979f41@gmail.com>

Hi Dave,

Dave wrote:
However, there isn't a tunnel on the line, so I have no idea where the 
tunnel sequence was filmed.

There IS a tunnel on the Dartmouth Steam Railway, near Greenway Halt 
(for Agatha Christie's house).? My first thought was? that this was the 
tunnel in "Beyond Paradise",? but the approaches and the shapes of the 
portal are different!? (although I don't have both portals for the 
Greenway tunnel...)

Here the bottom sides are vertical ...

The Torrid Tunnel! | Loco Yard


In "Beyond Paradise" - close but no cigar!

The bottom sides are sloping outwards in this portal.

Best regards,

Alec

-- 
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Alec Bray
alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
TEL:  0118 981 7502
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar 28 13:51:36 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:51:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Continui....who cares ...
In-Reply-To: <72fe3a92-82a0-4644-90da-23c354979f41@gmail.com>
References: <407d6aea-6c40-4f25-850f-fcb5fa606970@gmail.com>
	<c0bbd67a-c027-479e-9ce1-c9df5a9ed480@sky.com>
	<72fe3a92-82a0-4644-90da-23c354979f41@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CC41921-E8C1-45BE-BB19-8BE869885662@icloud.com>

I thought that sort of carelessness was a thing of the past.

> On 28 Mar 2024, at 15:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> Dave wrote:
> However, there isn't a tunnel on the line, so I have no idea where the tunnel sequence was filmed.
> There IS a tunnel on the Dartmouth Steam Railway, near Greenway Halt (for Agatha Christie's house).  My first thought was  that this was the tunnel in "Beyond Paradise",  but the approaches and the shapes of the portal are different!  (although I don't have both portals for the Greenway tunnel...)
> Here the bottom sides are vertical ...
> 
> In "Beyond Paradise" - close but no cigar!
> <vZaLXQfrQu153OhG.png>The bottom sides are sloping outwards in this portal.
> Best regards,
> Alec
> -- 
> =====================================
> 
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> MOD: 07789 561 346
> TEL: 0118 981 7502
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

? 
Graeme Wall




From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Mar 28 14:40:56 2024
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:40:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Continui....who cares ...
In-Reply-To: <7CC41921-E8C1-45BE-BB19-8BE869885662@icloud.com>
References: <7CC41921-E8C1-45BE-BB19-8BE869885662@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <5D333B37-DC98-4712-8579-C98240C370C2@me.com>

So long as it's coloured and moving, it doesn't matter these days.

In one of the interminable canal voyage programmes, they stopped the boat near the village of Lapworth to visit Warwick Castle.  

Warwick is served by a different canal and is about 9 miles away....
Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 28 Mar 2024, at 18:52, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I thought that sort of carelessness was a thing of the past.
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2024, at 15:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> Dave wrote:
>> However, there isn't a tunnel on the line, so I have no idea where the tunnel sequence was filmed.
>> There IS a tunnel on the Dartmouth Steam Railway, near Greenway Halt (for Agatha Christie's house).  My first thought was  that this was the tunnel in "Beyond Paradise",  but the approaches and the shapes of the portal are different!  (although I don't have both portals for the Greenway tunnel...)
>> Here the bottom sides are vertical ...
>> 
>> In "Beyond Paradise" - close but no cigar!
>> <vZaLXQfrQu153OhG.png>The bottom sides are sloping outwards in this portal.
>> Best regards,
>> Alec
>> --
>> =====================================
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> MOD: 07789 561 346
>> TEL: 0118 981 7502
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From ware.nick at aol.com  Thu Mar 28 18:01:59 2024
From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:01:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Continui....who cares ...
In-Reply-To: <5D333B37-DC98-4712-8579-C98240C370C2@me.com>
References: <5D333B37-DC98-4712-8579-C98240C370C2@me.com>
Message-ID: <4D1A5763-B9D6-43CF-9804-6D206D4CC771@aol.com>

I thought I?d seen everything when in an early episode of the Repair Shop, we were shown an ?expert? fitting a PP3 battery into a very old fashioned valve radio, which then magically worked.
For once, it was me doing the crying - with laughter.
Hey-ho, 
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 28 Mar 2024, at 19:41, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?So long as it's coloured and moving, it doesn't matter these days.
> 
> In one of the interminable canal voyage programmes, they stopped the boat near the village of Lapworth to visit Warwick Castle.  
> 
> Warwick is served by a different canal and is about 9 miles away....
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2024, at 18:52, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I thought that sort of carelessness was a thing of the past.
>> 
>>>> On 28 Mar 2024, at 15:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> Dave wrote:
>>> However, there isn't a tunnel on the line, so I have no idea where the tunnel sequence was filmed.
>>> There IS a tunnel on the Dartmouth Steam Railway, near Greenway Halt (for Agatha Christie's house).  My first thought was  that this was the tunnel in "Beyond Paradise",  but the approaches and the shapes of the portal are different!  (although I don't have both portals for the Greenway tunnel...)
>>> Here the bottom sides are vertical ...
>>> 
>>> In "Beyond Paradise" - close but no cigar!
>>> <vZaLXQfrQu153OhG.png>The bottom sides are sloping outwards in this portal.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Alec
>>> --
>>> =====================================
>>> 
>>> Alec Bray
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> MOD: 07789 561 346
>>> TEL: 0118 981 7502
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 18:42:56 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 23:42:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Continui....who cares ...
In-Reply-To: <4D1A5763-B9D6-43CF-9804-6D206D4CC771@aol.com>
References: <5D333B37-DC98-4712-8579-C98240C370C2@me.com>
	<4D1A5763-B9D6-43CF-9804-6D206D4CC771@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5365a7c8-d166-45c9-a26b-783b3eb8bc04@gmail.com>

My pet hate on that is how he solders things. Although maybe just for on 
camera. Holding the cap in one hand and the soldering iron in the other

On 28/03/2024 23:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I thought I?d seen everything when in an early episode of the Repair Shop, we were shown an ?expert? fitting a PP3 battery into a very old fashioned valve radio, which then magically worked.
> For once, it was me doing the crying - with laughter.
> Hey-ho,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2024, at 19:41, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?So long as it's coloured and moving, it doesn't matter these days.
>>
>> In one of the interminable canal voyage programmes, they stopped the boat near the village of Lapworth to visit Warwick Castle.
>>
>> Warwick is served by a different canal and is about 9 miles away....
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 28 Mar 2024, at 18:52, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I thought that sort of carelessness was a thing of the past.
>>>
>>>>> On 28 Mar 2024, at 15:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>> However, there isn't a tunnel on the line, so I have no idea where the tunnel sequence was filmed.
>>>> There IS a tunnel on the Dartmouth Steam Railway, near Greenway Halt (for Agatha Christie's house).  My first thought was  that this was the tunnel in "Beyond Paradise",  but the approaches and the shapes of the portal are different!  (although I don't have both portals for the Greenway tunnel...)
>>>> Here the bottom sides are vertical ...
>>>>
>>>> In "Beyond Paradise" - close but no cigar!
>>>> <vZaLXQfrQu153OhG.png>The bottom sides are sloping outwards in this portal.
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Alec
>>>> --
>>>> =====================================
>>>>
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> MOD: 07789 561 346
>>>> TEL: 0118 981 7502
>>>> --
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
>> --
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 04:25:15 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:25:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Continui....who cares ...
In-Reply-To: <7CC41921-E8C1-45BE-BB19-8BE869885662@icloud.com>
References: <407d6aea-6c40-4f25-850f-fcb5fa606970@gmail.com>
	<c0bbd67a-c027-479e-9ce1-c9df5a9ed480@sky.com>
	<72fe3a92-82a0-4644-90da-23c354979f41@gmail.com>
	<7CC41921-E8C1-45BE-BB19-8BE869885662@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <e9f410ac-ebbf-4ac7-8db3-eff938530a4d@gmail.com>

In my Film Industry career, I had the pleasure of working with one of 
the best 'Script Supervisors' in the business.

Used to be called continuity girls, but as this colleague is approaching 
her 100th, not appropriate any more!
I'm still in touch with her and hope she makes it to 100.

Mention of Christie and Greenway was fitting as "Death on the NIle" was 
screened on BBC 4 last night.
Very well made with a first class cast - Ustinov played Poirot, and I 
think a trick was operated for the 'studio based'
interiors, that of scaling up the dimensions of the set to make working 
easier. The exterior shots of the
river boat didn't seem large enough.
I came across that on a later film, ere the interior of a cabin cruiser 
was increased by a factor of 3 and built in a studio.
It was good to see so many names of crew with whom I had worked, and the 
credits were shown in full - 3 cheers!
There is recent talk of the BBC accepting advertising - perish the thought.
Back to railway continuity - there was a film - can't remember the 
title, shot using the North York Moors
heritage line, where the engine number changed on its headboard before 
and after a tunnel.
(Harry Potter magic?)

Best
Pat H

(attached is a shot of the special headboard that friends paid for on 
the occasion of my 80th,
- may have posted this before...)

> On 28 Mar 2024, at 15:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote: Hi Dave,
>> Dave wrote:
>> However, there isn't a tunnel on the line, so I have no idea where the tunnel sequence was filmed.
>> There IS a tunnel on the Dartmouth Steam Railway, near Greenway Halt (for Agatha Christie's house).  My first thought was  that this was the tunnel in "Beyond Paradise",  but the approaches and the shapes of the portal are different!  (although I don't have both portals for the Greenway tunnel...)
>> Here the bottom sides are vertical ...
>>
>> In "Beyond Paradise" - close but no cigar!
>> <vZaLXQfrQu153OhG.png>The bottom sides are sloping outwards in this portal.
>> Best regards,
>> Alec
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 08:18:36 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:18:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Club Application Form
Message-ID: <230020c8-d4d6-4246-b30c-260dec1228e5@gmail.com>

Hi all,

This appeared on Facebook today...

Best regards

Alec

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Mar 30 17:16:40 2024
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 22:16:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam e-mails
Message-ID: <3568C44A-E7CE-4E29-9C98-81FF931FE8E9@mac.com>

Anyone else receiving scam e-mails referring to photos, purporting to be from Tech List? I?ve had two and have forwarded them to Fraud Department.

Mike G

From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar 30 17:23:41 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 22:23:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam e-mails
In-Reply-To: <3568C44A-E7CE-4E29-9C98-81FF931FE8E9@mac.com>
References: <3568C44A-E7CE-4E29-9C98-81FF931FE8E9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44F0E1A1-CF69-4955-A569-3A0779AB1F27@icloud.com>

I?ve been getting them for a whie, usually purporting to come from Roger Long.

> On 30 Mar 2024, at 22:16, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Anyone else receiving scam e-mails referring to photos, purporting to be from Tech List? I?ve had two and have forwarded them to Fraud Department.
> 
> Mike G
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? 
Graeme Wall




From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Mar 30 17:29:23 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 22:29:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam e-mails
In-Reply-To: <44F0E1A1-CF69-4955-A569-3A0779AB1F27@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <2urp0me6ckjcpqjuv1kiip6v.1711837763167@pgtmedia.co.uk>


I have seen nothing, and can see no evidence of anything passing through the techops system, which Is good news.?



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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 30 March 2024 22:24
To: mibridge at mac.com
Reply to: graeme.wall at icloud.com
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scam e-mails


I?ve been getting them for a whie, usually purporting to come from Roger Long.

> On 30 Mar 2024, at 22:16, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Anyone else receiving scam e-mails referring to photos, purporting to be from Tech List? I?ve had two and have forwarded them to Fraud Department.
>
> Mike G
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Mar 30 18:23:16 2024
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:23:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam e-mails
In-Reply-To: <44F0E1A1-CF69-4955-A569-3A0779AB1F27@icloud.com>
References: <44F0E1A1-CF69-4955-A569-3A0779AB1F27@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <03C1CF13-5788-4C4F-ACD7-C4289D815A2E@mac.com>

I have also had previous ones purporting to be from Roger Long, Alasdair Lawrance and Keith Gunn. I believe that others have received some purporting to be from me, but all referring to photographs we might wish to see. I?ve never clicked on the link, so goodness only knows where it might  be lead!

Mike G

> On 30 Mar 2024, at 22:24, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ve been getting them for a whie, usually purporting to come from Roger Long.
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2024, at 22:16, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else receiving scam e-mails referring to photos, purporting to be from Tech List? I?ve had two and have forwarded them to Fraud Department.
>> 
>> Mike G
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 


From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sat Mar 30 19:23:46 2024
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 00:23:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam e-mails
In-Reply-To: <03C1CF13-5788-4C4F-ACD7-C4289D815A2E@mac.com>
References: <44F0E1A1-CF69-4955-A569-3A0779AB1F27@icloud.com>
	<03C1CF13-5788-4C4F-ACD7-C4289D815A2E@mac.com>
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I havn't received any scam e-mail but I think I've NOT received several genuine posts. I only know this because early posts in a thread are quoted when and if I start receiving half way through.

Hibou.

> On 30 Mar 2024, at 23:23, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have also had previous ones purporting to be from Roger Long, Alasdair Lawrance and Keith Gunn. I believe that others have received some purporting to be from me, but all referring to photographs we might wish to see. I?ve never clicked on the link, so goodness only knows where it might  be lead!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2024, at 22:24, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?ve been getting them for a whie, usually purporting to come from Roger Long.
>> 
>>> On 30 Mar 2024, at 22:16, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone else receiving scam e-mails referring to photos, purporting to be from Tech List? I?ve had two and have forwarded them to Fraud Department.
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
> 
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> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From philiptyler at me.com  Sat Mar 30 19:25:23 2024
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 00:25:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam e-mails
In-Reply-To: <3568C44A-E7CE-4E29-9C98-81FF931FE8E9@mac.com>
References: <3568C44A-E7CE-4E29-9C98-81FF931FE8E9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <62D72692-0BB1-4551-83FC-D4ED35303E57@me.com>

The ones I get are supposedly from you Mike. Apparently pictures I ?want? to see. Then I think to myself pictures of some sporting sound equipment? Perhaps not :)


Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 30 Mar 2024, at 22:17, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Anyone else receiving scam e-mails referring to photos, purporting to be from Tech List? I?ve had two and have forwarded them to Fraud Department.
> 
> Mike G
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 02:29:53 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:29:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Scam e-mails
In-Reply-To: <3568C44A-E7CE-4E29-9C98-81FF931FE8E9@mac.com>
References: <3568C44A-E7CE-4E29-9C98-81FF931FE8E9@mac.com>
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No, I seem to have been spared these, but I do have Avast programmes 
which trap unwanted e-mails (Avast Premium Security, Anti-Track and 
Secure Line)

These work on my laptop e-mail programme, but my tablet is clear, so I 
don't exactly know what protection I've got on that.

I have, however, been bothered by scam attempts by phone - having 
cancelled the call, I then ring the number back, just to get 'unrecognised'
i.e. it's a 'borrowed' number. One such was my own landline!

The reporting address is:

report at phishing.gov.uk

Happy Easter, everyone!

Pat H

On 30/03/2024 22:16, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> Anyone else receiving scam e-mails referring to photos, purporting to be from Tech List? I?ve had two and have forwarded them to Fraud Department.
>
> Mike G
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Mar 31 10:35:51 2024
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 16:35:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Scam
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Talking of scams, anyone seen these.

It will keep your car totally ice free, all from the power of its solar cell 
which is a couple of inches square, and can deliver up to 2000 watts.

They were selling for up to ?70 when they first appeared, and a UK company 
called Light Mart are still selling them for ?16. They must  work, one of 
their customer reviews says,

? When the temperature drops too low, it quickly raises my room from 10?F to 
72?F within 15 minutes. This de-icer actually covers my entire apartment.?

Even NASA use them.

?The temperature on the surface of Mars ranges from -20? to -80?. In this 
harsh environment, the Mars exploration rover Perseverance may be frozen at 
any time. But actually, it still works! That's because of the machine NASA 
uses for space missions - The Kinetic Molecular Antifreeze Heating Device. 
It ensures that the Mars exploration rover Perseverance will be free from 
ice and snow in this extreme environment and will not be frozen.?

Now down to a fiver on ebay. Or you can get one from Aliexpress for around a 
pound

under heading of a ?car air freshener?



Doug Puddifoot.
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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 10:36:45 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 16:36:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Andre Rieu Concerts
Message-ID: <ec48e098-a33e-4a1a-a2de-17b94d09011f@gmail.com>

Just wondered if any sound people viewed the Andre Rieu concert, 
broadcast on Sky Arts today.

He is a Dutch violinist who runs a large orchestra, giving concerts 
around the world.

This one was from the Vienna Town Hall, and I could not spot any mics - 
so intriged.

Some of the others, including one fromSch?nbrunn Palacein Vienna - open 
air and
no chance of slung mics, but I have seen floor stands mics hidden in the 
orch on other
shows.

His home studio, from short clips, is most beautifully equipped, so he 
cares about sound.

Happy Easter

Pat H

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From patrick.heigham at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 10:45:02 2024
From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 16:45:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Scam
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No, but I think all of us know that Kinetic Energy depends on movement.

Let's connect it to the scammers' delicate bits - that should generate 
some movement!

Pat H

On 31/03/2024 16:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:

> Talking of scams, anyone seen these.
> image
>
> It will keep your car totally ice free, all from the power of its 
> solar cell which is a couple of inches square, and can deliver up to 
> 2000 watts.
>
> They were selling for up to ?70 when they first appeared, and a UK 
> company called Light Mart are still selling them for ?16. They must 
> work, one of their customer reviews says,
>
> ? When the temperature drops too low, it quickly raises my room from 
> 10?F to 72?F within 15 minutes. This de-icer actually covers my entire 
> apartment.?
>
> Even NASA use them.
>
> ?The temperature on the surface of Mars ranges from -20?to -80?.In 
> this harsh environment, the Mars exploration rover Perseverance may be 
> frozen at any time.But actually, it still works!That's because of the 
> machineNASA uses for space missions - The Kinetic Molecular Antifreeze 
> Heating Device. It ensures that the Mars exploration rover 
> Perseverance will be free from ice and snow in this extreme 
> environment and will not be frozen.?
>
> Now down to a fiver on ebay. Or you can get one from Aliexpress for 
> around a pound
>
> under heading of a ?car air freshener?
>
> Doug Puddifoot.
>
>
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