From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jan  1 04:23:19 2024
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2024 10:23:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <ECFDF5B0-5020-4B30-9A93-9F3D1FFB6713@icloud.com>
References: <304DB223-FF56-4CF7-9814-F9EFC4B3BA47@me.com>
	<D90333E8-F445-4FFC-B612-1C81ECE0435E@talktalk.net>
	<GfUtyQKX3NgqghThfGQBB9GoERX96-FESxcu12RoW9EIVOagwu7t2SG7KKUOd6lsCjZ_7jVdFGf05wfKXsr1jf0BgSwKHW8FhwET-_2_V9Y=@protonmail.com>
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OK, I got some things wrong, but it's got folks talking!

Pat

On 31/12/2023 12:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Apart from Jobs being dead, there is nothing surreptitios about his programmes and apps, they are what you get with Apple devices. If you don?t want to use them get a Windows machine, oh angonamo?  As for Musk, he seems to be doing his best to drive people away from his app.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jan  2 07:04:28 2024
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2024 13:04:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TechOps Website
Message-ID: <dc5b0c71-73c1-4011-bf54-0dd4b234ea78@amps.net>

I am? subscribed to a website of my Guild - Association of Motion 
Picture Sound (AMPS)

A guru that can sort things out is Martyn Jackson
an approach to him might be beneficial,
but he operates as a commercial business, so a fee would be payable.

The Tech-ops list was free, but we might have to think about a subscription
as if we were a 'proper' society, like a golf club!
but we need a secretary or contact person.

Martyn Jackson:
<info at e-simplistic.com>

Hope this might help,

Pat
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jan  3 14:07:40 2024
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 20:07:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TechOps Website
In-Reply-To: <dc5b0c71-73c1-4011-bf54-0dd4b234ea78@amps.net>
References: <dc5b0c71-73c1-4011-bf54-0dd4b234ea78@amps.net>
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Wed Jan  3 14:40:54 2024
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 20:40:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TechOps Website
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB16049D8D1B736F08D8119608A760A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <dc5b0c71-73c1-4011-bf54-0dd4b234ea78@amps.net>
	<AM9P191MB16049D8D1B736F08D8119608A760A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <90ac0824-82d1-4f10-b82a-fa74db659fd6@armoor.co.uk>

Hello!

I maintain websites for a couple of companies and have three cloud 
servers of my own.

There are three aspects to a website:-

1. Domain name (has to be registered and require ongoing payments).

2. Hosting (Can be a server or something as simple as a RaspberryPi on a 
home network with a static IP address).

3. Content.

I'm happy to take on the tech-ops website and the Mailman email system, 
but would like others to be involved.  Just in case I unexpectedly pop 
my clogs and to potentially add more content.

 From what I understand, the Domain name is registered for several years 
ahead, which is good.  But as with all things usernames and passwords 
are required to access and re-new them.

Perhaps we can gather a small group of individuals (say three) to store 
the credentials etc.


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk

On 03/01/2024 20:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I propose you as the contact person, Pat, since it?s your idea. Let us 
> know what he says.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2024, at 13:05, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I am? subscribed to a website of my Guild - Association of Motion 
>> Picture Sound (AMPS)
>>
>> A guru that can sort things out is Martyn Jackson
>> an approach to him might be beneficial,
>> but he operates as a commercial business, so a fee would be payable.
>>
>> The Tech-ops list was free, but we might have to think about a 
>> subscription
>> as if we were a 'proper' society, like a golf club!
>> but we need a secretary or contact person.
>>
>> Martyn Jackson:
>> <info at e-simplistic.com>
>>
>> Hope this might help,
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 


From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jan  3 16:21:39 2024
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 22:21:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB160426F15B4EECEFAD89E60AA760A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Test - I don?t see my own messages on Tech1, does anyone else?
(sent one earlier but it bounced).

Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Jan  3 16:24:12 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 22:24:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jan  3 18:28:10 2024
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 00:28:10 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB160426F15B4EECEFAD89E60AA760A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM9P191MB160426F15B4EECEFAD89E60AA760A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <ED0F4E47CCDD49A391D6BAD7C5477CBB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Ditto as per Paul?s post ? your two and Ian?s

Dave Newbitt.

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 10:21 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Test

Test - I don?t see my own messages on Tech1, does anyone else? 
(sent one earlier but it bounced).


Nick Ware - sent from my iPad


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jan  4 05:29:12 2024
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 11:29:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TechOps Website
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB16049D8D1B736F08D8119608A760A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <dc5b0c71-73c1-4011-bf54-0dd4b234ea78@amps.net>
	<AM9P191MB16049D8D1B736F08D8119608A760A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <3fdf397c-50a5-4d34-ab26-b0eb937fe9b5@amps.net>

Much as I appreciate the trust placed in me, I have to say: 'thanks, but 
no thanks'.
I have been relinquishing my other administration responsibilities - 
AMPS Membership Sec.
- Company Secretaryfor where I live, etc. so I do not wish to take on 
anymore.
Ian seems the right guy to fill the gap, I expect he has the experience 
and know how
to operate the Tech-Ops forum.

Best wishes for the New Year

Pat

On 03/01/2024 20:07, Nick Ware wrote:

> I propose you as the contact person, Pat, since it?s your idea. Let us 
> know what he says.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>
>> On 2 Jan 2024, at 13:05, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I am? subscribed to a website of my Guild - Association of Motion 
>> Picture Sound (AMPS)
>>
>> A guru that can sort things out is Martyn Jackson
>> an approach to him might be beneficial,
>> but he operates as a commercial business, so a fee would be payable.
>>
>> The Tech-ops list was free, but we might have to think about a 
>> subscription
>> as if we were a 'proper' society, like a golf club!
>> but we need a secretary or contact person.
>>
>> Martyn Jackson:
>> <info at e-simplistic.com>
>>
>> Hope this might help,
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jan  4 06:07:57 2024
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 12:07:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TechOps Website
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References: <3fdf397c-50a5-4d34-ab26-b0eb937fe9b5@amps.net>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Jan 13 12:44:00 2024
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 18:44:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] change of email address
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604E8E3188E4955D856DE91A76E2@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear Peeps,
Shortly before our beloved Bernie?s tragic demise, I had asked him to change my email address from this one to another specially setup AOL one. This, because msn has been running for so long that it attracts around 40+ junk and spam emails every day, and trying to filter or delete them has become a pain in the butt. I waited to see how this mail list might change leadership etc., but don?t see any chance of that happening. So, I have decided to close ?waresound at msn dot com? now altogether.
However, because for me, tech1 was always all about the people and not so much the history of vintage equipment, etc., could I please ask that should things change, someone be kind enough to get me back on line via ware.nick at aol.com ? 
I will always be delighted to hear from old friends and to hear important news about sad losses etc., and should anyone manage to organise Bernie-style disorganised lunches I would love to be a part of that.
Meanwhile, despite an apparent fear of Facebook, just to say: there are some BBC Facebook groups that are well worth joining, and in particular, Rob Ashard?s strangely named ?I take pictures of TV studios? group, a group that discusses current techniques, who?s doing what and how, etc. Don?t be over-cautious - give ?em a go! The thing about Facebook: if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!
So, please, from now on - ware.nick at aol.com - I hope to see you there!
Best wishes to all, and especially those never forgotten friends from long ago who I always hoped to hear about, but never did.
And now, waresound: fade to black.
Nick (which for some bizarre reason, spellchecker wanted to change to Nice!)
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Wed Jan 17 09:06:59 2024
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:06:59 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC selling Elstree site
Message-ID: <000001da4956$d1ee6e50$75cb4af0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

 <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68004649> BBC agrees to sell
EastEnders set at Elstree to raise funds - BBC News

 

 

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Jan 17 09:17:40 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:17:40 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC selling Elstree site
In-Reply-To: <000001da4956$d1ee6e50$75cb4af0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <000001da4956$d1ee6e50$75cb4af0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00b201da4958$52490dc0$f6db2940$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Sale and Lease Back should not be an issue.. What no one is saying is what
is sold and turned in to housing.

Old Lot & Naptue House are bound to go. 
Rumour's were that ELC C & D were to be demolished and housing built. Losing
'D' would be bad news. (Muppets & Elections - Same thing?) - it's a great
audience Studio. 

I suspect EE would need somewhere to replace 'C'

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Robert Miles via
Tech1
Sent: 17 January 2024 15:07
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] BBC selling Elstree site

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68004649





From david.jasma at sky.com  Wed Jan 17 10:03:29 2024
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:03:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Elstree sale.
References: <6e6f1cd7-8d47-496d-ab32-16f852c46776.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <6e6f1cd7-8d47-496d-ab32-16f852c46776@sky.com>

I note the BBC want ?70m. They only paid ?7m when they bought the site 
from ATV in 1984!

My department (TV Training) was the first to move there (from Woodstock 
Grove), in 1984, and some of my memories of those early day, are in 
Martin Kempton's ' website
  https://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/

I would be sad to see the site sold for housing - it was the first film 
studio in the area,   opening in 1914 as Neptune Films.

Dave Buckley


From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Wed Jan 17 11:08:39 2024
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 17:08:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Elstree sale.
In-Reply-To: <6e6f1cd7-8d47-496d-ab32-16f852c46776@sky.com>
References: <6e6f1cd7-8d47-496d-ab32-16f852c46776.ref@sky.com>
	<6e6f1cd7-8d47-496d-ab32-16f852c46776@sky.com>
Message-ID: <81950C31-3021-4F60-BDE1-73968365D4CA@talktalk.net>

This from Martin Kempton on the ?I take pictures of television studios? Facebook group:

?Latest info: Studioworks will continue to operate studio D until Sep 30th this year. It seems probable that Eastenders will move out of studio C by the end of the year. The whole site is being sold to AXA Insurance, who are working with Oxygen Studios. This is the company that operates Longcross and Arborfield Studios. They will take over in January 2025. They will be leasing the half of the site used by EastEnders back to the BBC for 25 years. On the rest of the site they intend to create a 'best in class new studio campus.' Whether this includes retaining studios C and D is not yet known.?

Hugh



> On 17 Jan 2024, at 16:03, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I note the BBC want ?70m. They only paid ?7m when they bought the site from ATV in 1984!
> 
> My department (TV Training) was the first to move there (from Woodstock Grove), in 1984, and some of my memories of those early day, are in Martin Kempton's ' website
> https://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/
> 
> I would be sad to see the site sold for housing - it was the first film studio in the area,   opening in 1914 as Neptune Films.
> 
> Dave Buckley
> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Jan 24 11:45:27 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:45:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
Message-ID: <009501da4eed$1fe46b50$5fad41f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Mike Minchin's personal Photos from 'The Forsyte Saga' are now live on the
Tech Ops website, along with his words and some others
Navigation on the site still needs some work, but if you go to the tech ops
site and click on the black bar below the blue header and search on 'Forsyte
Saga'  you will see it listed. It's a long page (!)

There are a few name blanks and questions. Has anyone any answers ? (I will
update it if you have)

Paul

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/




From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Wed Jan 24 12:00:42 2024
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:00:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <009501da4eed$1fe46b50$5fad41f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <009501da4eed$1fe46b50$5fad41f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A9F55991-C6F5-47B9-8CD2-0153B073D3FF@talktalk.net>

A long, but very interesting, read. Here?s the link to it:

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/forsyte-saga/

> On 24 Jan 2024, at 17:45, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Mike Minchin's personal Photos from 'The Forsyte Saga' are now live on the
> Tech Ops website, along with his words and some others
> Navigation on the site still needs some work, but if you go to the tech ops
> site and click on the black bar below the blue header and search on 'Forsyte
> Saga'  you will see it listed. It's a long page (!)
> 
> There are a few name blanks and questions. Has anyone any answers ? (I will
> update it if you have)
> 
> Paul
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> +44 7802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 24 12:20:02 2024
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:20:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <A9F55991-C6F5-47B9-8CD2-0153B073D3FF@talktalk.net>
References: <009501da4eed$1fe46b50$5fad41f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<A9F55991-C6F5-47B9-8CD2-0153B073D3FF@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <1530982364.689016.1706120402677@mail.yahoo.com>

 Brilliant article and pictures.I vaguely remember the series, I was 9 in 1967!?Really good to see so many well known actors in their youth.
All the best,? ?Gary C?






    On Wednesday, 24 January 2024 at 21:01:30 GMT+3, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  A long, but very interesting, read. Here?s the link to it:

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/forsyte-saga/

> On 24 Jan 2024, at 17:45, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Mike Minchin's personal Photos from 'The Forsyte Saga' are now live on the
> Tech Ops website, along with his words and some others
> Navigation on the site still needs some work, but if you go to the tech ops
> site and click on the black bar below the blue header and search on 'Forsyte
> Saga'? you will see it listed. It's a long page (!)
> 
> There are a few name blanks and questions. Has anyone any answers ? (I will
> update it if you have)
> 
> Paul
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> +44 7802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> 
> 
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Wed Jan 24 13:07:02 2024
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 19:07:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "An Eye to the Future"
Message-ID: <FAC95B27-F3E3-4148-B77B-2927D17A15D6@talktalk.net>

I came across this little film made by Pye in the early fifties. Amongst other things it features quite a few shots of the company?s early cameras being used by BBC TV and may be interesting to some here . . .

https://eafa.org.uk/work/?id=2068&fbclid=IwAR2DxsyZi5vV-cLcyPQDJkOc7-zKTuvylc8kpl7qp1c8dBpL27_qrhVgS2Y

Hugh Snape

From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 13:23:07 2024
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 19:23:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <A9F55991-C6F5-47B9-8CD2-0153B073D3FF@talktalk.net>
References: <009501da4eed$1fe46b50$5fad41f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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One minor comment - its Chris Wilden not Chris Waldon.

Geoff F

> On 24 Jan 2024, at 18:00, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A long, but very interesting, read. Here?s the link to it:
> 
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/forsyte-saga/
> 
>> On 24 Jan 2024, at 17:45, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike Minchin's personal Photos from 'The Forsyte Saga' are now live on the
>> Tech Ops website, along with his words and some others
>> Navigation on the site still needs some work, but if you go to the tech ops
>> site and click on the black bar below the blue header and search on 'Forsyte
>> Saga'  you will see it listed. It's a long page (!)
>> 
>> There are a few name blanks and questions. Has anyone any answers ? (I will
>> update it if you have)
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> Paul Thackray
>> 
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> +44 7802 243979
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>> 
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jan 24 23:41:58 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 05:41:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <0904EF1B-F8B9-4F88-9300-75D0938F96DB@gmail.com>
References: <0904EF1B-F8B9-4F88-9300-75D0938F96DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4744D22-F88E-417E-92F2-586BA6E308F8@me.com>

Thanks for the correction Geoff.  I?ve updated the original file, but will wait a little while to see if any further info or errors come to light before changing the version on the site. Any comments expanding on Mike?s notes would be very welcome.

I?m thinking about how best to logically break it down into smaller sections to make it easier to navigate. The Forsyte article is still a work in progress, but I thought it better to share it now in the form it currently is and finesse it later.

If anybody else has collections of photographs from other shows and can provide a few words of explanation about them, it would be great to put more material like that on the site. Small collections of pictures or individual pictures are always welcome too and often generate a lot of interest and discussion. Most material published on the site is harvested from the emails, but there are a few articles which are much more substantial and have been put directly onto the site.

Alan

> On 24 Jan 2024, at 19:23, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?One minor comment - its Chris Wilden not Chris Waldon.
> 
> Geoff F


From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jan 25 00:12:34 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 06:12:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "An Eye to the Future"
In-Reply-To: <FAC95B27-F3E3-4148-B77B-2927D17A15D6@talktalk.net>
References: <FAC95B27-F3E3-4148-B77B-2927D17A15D6@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <2D3858D1-7630-48C2-AD62-E7E25EEEA941@me.com>

That?s a great film with many fascinating sequences.

While watching the part where the imaging tubes were being made, it reminded me about the amazing range of skills that the early pioneers of electronic imaging had to master about 100 years ago in order to invent a viable electronic television system.  

The key parts couldn?t be bought off the shelf. Those who had ideas relating to electronic imaging systems had to build everything from raw materials. They would have needed to master complex glass work, ultra-precision mechanical  engineering, chemical deposition, vacuum pumps and any number of obscure technologies.  And that was just for the camera tube.  They also needed to design and build all the electronics to process the signals and then to display the images.

They needed so many complex and untried elements to all work together. I?m impressed by much progress was made in just a few decades.

Alan


> On 24 Jan 2024, at 19:07, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I came across this little film made by Pye in the early fifties. Amongst other things it features quite a few shots of the company?s early cameras being used by BBC TV and may be interesting to some here . . .
> 
> https://eafa.org.uk/work/?id=2068&fbclid=IwAR2DxsyZi5vV-cLcyPQDJkOc7-zKTuvylc8kpl7qp1c8dBpL27_qrhVgS2Y
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 02:01:03 2024
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 08:01:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <A4744D22-F88E-417E-92F2-586BA6E308F8@me.com>
References: <0904EF1B-F8B9-4F88-9300-75D0938F96DB@gmail.com>
	<A4744D22-F88E-417E-92F2-586BA6E308F8@me.com>
Message-ID: <1fa64c24-e83e-4292-9acc-1329472ce105@gmail.com>

Thank you, Alan and Paul, and Mike Minchin, for an incredible page of 
photos and notes about one the the BBC's prestige drama series.? Very 
enjoyable.? IMHO it stands as it is, I don't think that it needs 
splitting - otherwise you might be into a talent versus crew situation 
if you are not careful!

I'd reiterate - any longer stories about working on serials or series 
would be most welcome!

Best regards,

Alec


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From david.jasma at sky.com  Thu Jan 25 04:32:25 2024
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:32:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
References: <b67f4621-e863-4348-87f4-d00d54545141.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <b67f4621-e863-4348-87f4-d00d54545141@sky.com>

Could I correct a statement made in the first paragraph of this very 
interesting webpage?

Mike states that 'Editing was non-destructive (no sign of a razor 
blade), sometimes involving 3 VT machines'.

However, Chris Booth's excellent vtoldboys site under 
https://www.vtoldboys.com/evolve.htm  states  'It is with pride that 
early videotape editors look back at those ?physical? edits of the 
sixties. Some of the last major BBC drama to be cut edited were the 
classics, Forsyte Saga and Six Wives of Henry the Eighth.'

I knew that the Saga had been cut edit but not Six Wives.

Dave Buckley


From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jan 25 05:28:32 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:28:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <b67f4621-e863-4348-87f4-d00d54545141@sky.com>
References: <b67f4621-e863-4348-87f4-d00d54545141@sky.com>
Message-ID: <CFCDED8C-AE6F-4D1E-BA70-7924872F7C88@me.com>

That?s a very interesting point, which in turn raises another related aspect. My intention was to reproduce Mike?s text which accompanied his pictures.  I?ve corrected a tiny number of minor typos, expanded a few references and tried to make the text consistent in style, but have hopefully retained the spirit of what Mike wrote.

As for the way the editing was done, I obviously have no reason to doubt what the VT Old Boys say, but I also trust what Mike says because he was so personally involved with the production.  Does anybody know more about the editing process?  

Could it be that in early episodes they cut the VT tape, but by the end of the series, technology allowed them to edit non-destructively? After all, they spent a hell of a long time shooting it at a time when technology was rapidly changing. 

It?s entirely possible the both the VT guys and Mike could be correct, physical cutting might have been employed at times and non-destructive editing at other times. With a series divided into blocks with different directors, it seems entirely plausible that one director went with razor blade editing, while the other adopted those new-fangled three machine edits.

There is also the matter of how to include any third party information without risking confusing Mike's notes with comments from others.  I was considering following the format used in archived threads, of starting by crediting the person making the comment and then their comment.  In this article, it might make sense to use a different font or colour to make it obvious when it?s not Mike talking.  

I did something like that when Mike included a comment about a number of pictures where the negatives got lost.  His original comments referred to file numbers for those pictures, but on the site I changed the text colour of those descriptions to blue in order to make it obvious, but without adding complexity, or repetitive warnings. One option I tried was to generate a relatively unobtrusive fake picture frame around those particular pictures, but eventually decided against it as it would still need descriptive text to clarify why those pictures had frames.

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This was to be the general idea.  The left hand picture would be for pictures properly scanned from negatives, while the right hand picture would denote those few pictures reproduced from a print where no negative was available. Any thoughts about the preferred style?

In case anybody is wondering about the web site.  I agreed to take over from Alec, archiving the emails onto the site.  Despite a great deal of help from Alec, I never really got to grips with WordPress and the way it had been used for the Tech Ops site.  I kept archiving the emails, but was unable to add them to the site while retaining the looks and functionality of the site. Paul is now making huge progress sorting out the technicalities of the site and is working on further improvements to resolve mysterious but vital aspects of it which were looked after by Bernie alone.  The way things are working now is that I do the poncey stuff relating to editing words and pictures, while Paul does the heavy lifting in order to put it onto the site.

Alan

> On 25 Jan 2024, at 10:33, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Could I correct a statement made in the first paragraph of this very interesting webpage?
> 
> Mike states that 'Editing was non-destructive (no sign of a razor blade), sometimes involving 3 VT machines'.
> 
> However, Chris Booth's excellent vtoldboys site under https://www.vtoldboys.com/evolve.htm  states  'It is with pride that early videotape editors look back at those ?physical? edits of the sixties. Some of the last major BBC drama to be cut edited were the classics, Forsyte Saga and Six Wives of Henry the Eighth.'
> 
> I knew that the Saga had been cut edit but not Six Wives.
> 
> Dave Buckley
> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Jan 25 05:43:34 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:43:34 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <CFCDED8C-AE6F-4D1E-BA70-7924872F7C88@me.com>
References: <b67f4621-e863-4348-87f4-d00d54545141@sky.com>
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I have added Dave's comment as just that, below Mike's introduction piece (and corrected the name spelling as Geoff's email which tallies with IMDB Although F S credits are missing on IMDB..))

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 25 January 2024 11:29
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga

That?s a very interesting point, which in turn raises another related aspect. My intention was to reproduce Mike?s text which accompanied his pictures.  I?ve corrected a tiny number of minor typos, expanded a few references and tried to make the text consistent in style, but have hopefully retained the spirit of what Mike wrote.

As for the way the editing was done, I obviously have no reason to doubt what the VT Old Boys say, but I also trust what Mike says because he was so personally involved with the production.  Does anybody know more about the editing process?  

Could it be that in early episodes they cut the VT tape, but by the end of the series, technology allowed them to edit non-destructively? After all, they spent a hell of a long time shooting it at a time when technology was rapidly changing. 

It?s entirely possible the both the VT guys and Mike could be correct, physical cutting might have been employed at times and non-destructive editing at other times. With a series divided into blocks with different directors, it seems entirely plausible that one director went with razor blade editing, while the other adopted those new-fangled three machine edits.

There is also the matter of how to include any third party information without risking confusing Mike's notes with comments from others.  I was considering following the format used in archived threads, of starting by crediting the person making the comment and then their comment.  In this article, it might make sense to use a different font or colour to make it obvious when it?s not Mike talking.  

I did something like that when Mike included a comment about a number of pictures where the negatives got lost.  His original comments referred to file numbers for those pictures, but on the site I changed the text colour of those descriptions to blue in order to make it obvious, but without adding complexity, or repetitive warnings. One option I tried was to generate a relatively unobtrusive fake picture frame around those particular pictures, but eventually decided against it as it would still need descriptive text to clarify why those pictures had frames.




From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Thu Jan 25 06:37:55 2024
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 12:37:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <CFCDED8C-AE6F-4D1E-BA70-7924872F7C88@me.com>
References: <CFCDED8C-AE6F-4D1E-BA70-7924872F7C88@me.com>
Message-ID: <E7B913F6-5CD5-45A2-9C50-59FCA53D0C56@talktalk.net>

Good work, the email system seems far more responsive than previously.

Hugh 

> On 25 Jan 2024, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?That?s a very interesting point, which in turn raises another related aspect. My intention was to reproduce Mike?s text which accompanied his pictures.  I?ve corrected a tiny number of minor typos, expanded a few references and tried to make the text consistent in style, but have hopefully retained the spirit of what Mike wrote.
> 
> As for the way the editing was done, I obviously have no reason to doubt what the VT Old Boys say, but I also trust what Mike says because he was so personally involved with the production.  Does anybody know more about the editing process?  
> 
> Could it be that in early episodes they cut the VT tape, but by the end of the series, technology allowed them to edit non-destructively? After all, they spent a hell of a long time shooting it at a time when technology was rapidly changing. 
> 
> It?s entirely possible the both the VT guys and Mike could be correct, physical cutting might have been employed at times and non-destructive editing at other times. With a series divided into blocks with different directors, it seems entirely plausible that one director went with razor blade editing, while the other adopted those new-fangled three machine edits.
> 
> There is also the matter of how to include any third party information without risking confusing Mike's notes with comments from others.  I was considering following the format used in archived threads, of starting by crediting the person making the comment and then their comment.  In this article, it might make sense to use a different font or colour to make it obvious when it?s not Mike talking.  
> 
> I did something like that when Mike included a comment about a number of pictures where the negatives got lost.  His original comments referred to file numbers for those pictures, but on the site I changed the text colour of those descriptions to blue in order to make it obvious, but without adding complexity, or repetitive warnings. One option I tried was to generate a relatively unobtrusive fake picture frame around those particular pictures, but eventually decided against it as it would still need descriptive text to clarify why those pictures had frames.
> 
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> 
> This was to be the general idea.  The left hand picture would be for pictures properly scanned from negatives, while the right hand picture would denote those few pictures reproduced from a print where no negative was available. Any thoughts about the preferred style?
> 
> In case anybody is wondering about the web site.  I agreed to take over from Alec, archiving the emails onto the site.  Despite a great deal of help from Alec, I never really got to grips with WordPress and the way it had been used for the Tech Ops site.  I kept archiving the emails, but was unable to add them to the site while retaining the looks and functionality of the site. Paul is now making huge progress sorting out the technicalities of the site and is working on further improvements to resolve mysterious but vital aspects of it which were looked after by Bernie alone.  The way things are working now is that I do the poncey stuff relating to editing words and pictures, while Paul does the heavy lifting in order to put it onto the site.
> 
> Alan
> 
>> On 25 Jan 2024, at 10:33, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Could I correct a statement made in the first paragraph of this very interesting webpage?
>> 
>> Mike states that 'Editing was non-destructive (no sign of a razor blade), sometimes involving 3 VT machines'.
>> 
>> However, Chris Booth's excellent vtoldboys site under https://www.vtoldboys.com/evolve.htm  states  'It is with pride that early videotape editors look back at those ?physical? edits of the sixties. Some of the last major BBC drama to be cut edited were the classics, Forsyte Saga and Six Wives of Henry the Eighth.'
>> 
>> I knew that the Saga had been cut edit but not Six Wives.
>> 
>> Dave Buckley
>> 
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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 08:54:44 2024
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:54:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <b67f4621-e863-4348-87f4-d00d54545141@sky.com>
References: <b67f4621-e863-4348-87f4-d00d54545141.ref@sky.com>
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I Said "No Cut Edits" on The Forsyte Saga on the evidence of the DVDs : 
I will concede that earlier episodes could have been "Cut Edited", but 
the last was certainly "Dub Edited", with mixes from and to the final 
scenes.? Which in my way of seeing, it had to be a three machine edit, 
hence my statement.

Incidentally, I said the stills I originally sent to "Tech Ops Website" 
were all the ones that I had digitised back in around 2002.? Since then 
I have been searching my shelves for the original negatives - and have 
yet to find them.? BUT only the other day the box of Enprints that I 
used to take into the studio almost fell into my hands.? Since then I 
have been digitising them, and updating my commentary.? (Not quite 
finished them - was quite surprised when we all got notification of the 
original lot being on the Site.)

Mike Minchin

On 25/01/2024 10:32, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote:
> Could I correct a statement made in the first paragraph of this very 
> interesting webpage?
>
> Mike states that 'Editing was non-destructive (no sign of a razor 
> blade), sometimes involving 3 VT machines'.
>
> However, Chris Booth's excellent vtoldboys site under 
> https://www.vtoldboys.com/evolve.htm? states? 'It is with pride that 
> early videotape editors look back at those ?physical? edits of the 
> sixties. Some of the last major BBC drama to be cut edited were the 
> classics, Forsyte Saga and Six Wives of Henry the Eighth.'
>
> I knew that the Saga had been cut edit but not Six Wives.
>
> Dave Buckley
>


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jan 25 12:26:57 2024
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:26:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
In-Reply-To: <E7B913F6-5CD5-45A2-9C50-59FCA53D0C56@talktalk.net>
References: <CFCDED8C-AE6F-4D1E-BA70-7924872F7C88@me.com>
	<E7B913F6-5CD5-45A2-9C50-59FCA53D0C56@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <0857dc0b-c914-419a-8857-51aeb1bffac3@amps.net>

I was never a VT editor, but pretty adept with 1/4" audio tape!
I spent one fascinating evening in a VT suite, with their top editor - 
name fogotten, now, trying to make a programme
out of the BBC pantomime, which was overunning due to breakdowns and 
many retakes.
Starred Norman Wisdom, who cringingly tried to implore the audience not 
to leave - they were off to get their
last transport home. I've disliked the man ever since.

VT man was editing the 2" Ampex, I had a TR90 with the audio, tidying up 
the edits from a sound angle.
The video tape had the sync track running along the bottom edge of the 
tape, and this was 'developed'
with a solution of fine iron filings in alcohol, viewed with a 
microscope. It was necessary to physically cut the tape at
the right point of the sync, otherwise the join would have caused a 
glitch, or frame roll.
The TR90 transport was pretty accurate as to speed constancy, and both 
the video tape and audio had a burst of
the time signal (TIM) to match up later.
Haven't described this all that well, is there a VT Old Boy who could 
tell us about physical cut editing?

Best
Pat

>>   25 Jan 2024, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?That?s a very interesting point, which in turn raises another related aspect. My intention was to reproduce Mike?s text which accompanied his pictures.  I?ve corrected a tiny number of minor typos, expanded a few references and tried to make the text consistent in style, but have hopefully retained the spirit of what Mike wrote.
>>
>> As for the way the editing was done, I obviously have no reason to doubt what the VT O neccesaryld Boys say, but I also trust what Mike says because he was so personally involved with the production.  Does anybody know more about the editing process?
>>
>> Could it be that in early episodes they cut the VT tape, but by the end of the series, technology allowed them to edit non-destructively? After all, they spent a hell of a long time shooting it at a time when technology was rapidly changing.
>>
>> It?s entirely possible the both the VT guys and Mike could be correct, physical cutting might have been employed at times and non-destructive editing at other times. With a series divided into blocks with different directors, it seems entirely plausible that one director went with razor blade editing, while the other adopted those new-fangled three machine edits.
>>
>> There is also the matter of how to include any third party information without risking confusing Mike's notes with comments from others.  I was considering following the format used in archived threads, of starting by crediting the person making the comment and then their comment.  In this article, it might make sense to use a different font or colour to make it obvious when it?s not Mike talking.
>>
>> I did something like that when Mike included a comment about a number of pictures where the negatives got lost.  His original comments referred to file numbers for those pictures, but on the site I changed the text colour of those descriptions to blue in order to make it obvious, but without adding complexity, or repetitive warnings. One option I tried was to generate a relatively unobtrusive fake picture frame around those particular pictures, but eventually decided against it as it would still need descriptive text to clarify why those pictures had frames.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> This was to be the general idea.  The left hand picture would be for pictures properly scanned from negatives, while the right hand picture would denote those few pictures reproduced from a print where no negative was available. Any thoughts about the preferred style?
>>>
>>> In case anybody is wondering about the web site.  I agreed to take over from Alec, archiving the emails onto the site.  Despite a great deal of help from Alec, I never really got to grips with WordPress and the way it had been used for the Tech Ops site.  I kept archiving the emails, but was unable to add them to the site while retaining the looks and functionality of the site. Paul is now making huge progress sorting out the technicalities of the site and is working on further improvements to resolve mysterious but vital aspects of it which were looked after by Bernie alone.  The way things are working now is that I do the poncey stuff relating to editing words and pictures, while Paul does the heavy lifting in order to put it onto the site.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>> On 25 Jan 2024, at 10:33, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Could I correct a statement made in the first paragraph of this very interesting webpage?
>>>>
>>>> Mike states that 'Editing was non-destructive (no sign of a razor blade), sometimes involving 3 VT machines'.
>>>>
>>>> However, Chris Booth's excellent vtoldboys site under https://www.vtoldboys.com/evolve.htm  states  'It is with pride that early videotape editors look back at those ?physical? edits of the sixties. Some of the last major BBC drama to be cut edited were the classics, Forsyte Saga and Six Wives of Henry the Eighth.'
>>>>
>>>> I knew that the Saga had been cut edit but not Six Wives.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Buckley
>>>>
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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Thu Jan 25 13:05:33 2024
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 19:05:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
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Slightly off topic but when I joined BBC Wales in 1967 as a tech op I was allocated to the control room and edit suites . One of my first jobs was lining up and recording on BTR 2 audio  recorders . This involved adjusting the bias every morning before using them. I can?t remember if they were left switched on overnight, but they did have numerous valves inside their huge bulk so needed to warm up and stabilise. I then progressed onto audio editing using a chinagraph pencil , a rock and roll motion across the play head , and a razor blade to cut the tape diagonally. I really enjoyed that job and got quite adept at dealing with tiny bits of 1/4 inch tape at 7.5 inches per second when editing speech programmes. Searching bits of the recordings to find a quiet gap to move to fit a tight edit was quite normal practice and the edited items were sometimes a patchwork of edits passing the play head with me hoping I had joined the bits together well enough with the sticky tape we used . It would have been a bit easier if the recordings were at 15 inches per second but the reporters used Uher portable tape recorders with small five inch reels at 7.5 ips .
The even greater challenge was editing Welsh language items . Being from Yokshu my Welsh language skills were zero and all the audio tape editors were English!
Being in a very plush edit suite , which was in a  brand new state of the art building at Llandaff at Cardiff ( sadly now demolished probably for a building a housing estate) with one inch deep carpets and triple glazing was a new experience to me , as was listening to the producer gabbling away in Welsh to the reporter and trying to inform me  in English where  to cut the tape! 
Trying to avoid breathing too heavily to avoid the minute pieces of a foreign language tape getting blown onto the floor or even worse into the inside of the BTR2 never to be seen again was another quickly acquired skill .
I suppose the highlight was working in the tape recording area next to the concert hall recording classical music concerts . At 15 ips even 10 inch reels don?t record forever so the skill there was to decide when to start up machine 2 as the capacity of machine one?s tape was close to the end in order to continue recording. Not too early and obviously not too late was the order of the day. The tape machines there were beautiful Studers which were still valve based but real works of art. Their party trick was a little pair of scissors hidden away under the deck which when a button was pressed emerged silently to cut the tape. They were not accurate enough for detailed editing but an impressive engineering feat, though definitely not to be activated in the middle of recording the BBC Wales orchestra playing Beethoven ?.or any other composer!
That?s enough for now
Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Jan 2024, at 18:27, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I was never a VT editor, but pretty adept with 1/4" audio tape!
> I spent one fascinating evening in a VT suite, with their top editor - name fogotten, now, trying to make a programme
> out of the BBC pantomime, which was overunning due to breakdowns and many retakes.
> Starred Norman Wisdom, who cringingly tried to implore the audience not to leave - they were off to get their
> last transport home. I've disliked the man ever since.
> 
> VT man was editing the 2" Ampex, I had a TR90 with the audio, tidying up the edits from a sound angle.
> The video tape had the sync track running along the bottom edge of the tape, and this was 'developed'
> with a solution of fine iron filings in alcohol, viewed with a microscope. It was necessary to physically cut the tape at
> the right point of the sync, otherwise the join would have caused a glitch, or frame roll.
> The TR90 transport was pretty accurate as to speed constancy, and both the video tape and audio had a burst of
> the time signal (TIM) to match up later.
> Haven't described this all that well, is there a VT Old Boy who could tell us about physical cut editing?
> 
> Best
> Pat
> 
>>>  25 Jan 2024, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?That?s a very interesting point, which in turn raises another related aspect. My intention was to reproduce Mike?s text which accompanied his pictures.  I?ve corrected a tiny number of minor typos, expanded a few references and tried to make the text consistent in style, but have hopefully retained the spirit of what Mike wrote.
>>> 
>>> As for the way the editing was done, I obviously have no reason to doubt what the VT O neccesaryld Boys say, but I also trust what Mike says because he was so personally involved with the production.  Does anybody know more about the editing process?
>>> 
>>> Could it be that in early episodes they cut the VT tape, but by the end of the series, technology allowed them to edit non-destructively? After all, they spent a hell of a long time shooting it at a time when technology was rapidly changing.
>>> 
>>> It?s entirely possible the both the VT guys and Mike could be correct, physical cutting might have been employed at times and non-destructive editing at other times. With a series divided into blocks with different directors, it seems entirely plausible that one director went with razor blade editing, while the other adopted those new-fangled three machine edits.
>>> 
>>> There is also the matter of how to include any third party information without risking confusing Mike's notes with comments from others.  I was considering following the format used in archived threads, of starting by crediting the person making the comment and then their comment.  In this article, it might make sense to use a different font or colour to make it obvious when it?s not Mike talking.
>>> 
>>> I did something like that when Mike included a comment about a number of pictures where the negatives got lost.  His original comments referred to file numbers for those pictures, but on the site I changed the text colour of those descriptions to blue in order to make it obvious, but without adding complexity, or repetitive warnings. One option I tried was to generate a relatively unobtrusive fake picture frame around those particular pictures, but eventually decided against it as it would still need descriptive text to clarify why those pictures had frames.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This was to be the general idea.  The left hand picture would be for pictures properly scanned from negatives, while the right hand picture would denote those few pictures reproduced from a print where no negative was available. Any thoughts about the preferred style?
>>>> 
>>>> In case anybody is wondering about the web site.  I agreed to take over from Alec, archiving the emails onto the site.  Despite a great deal of help from Alec, I never really got to grips with WordPress and the way it had been used for the Tech Ops site.  I kept archiving the emails, but was unable to add them to the site while retaining the looks and functionality of the site. Paul is now making huge progress sorting out the technicalities of the site and is working on further improvements to resolve mysterious but vital aspects of it which were looked after by Bernie alone.  The way things are working now is that I do the poncey stuff relating to editing words and pictures, while Paul does the heavy lifting in order to put it onto the site.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Jan 2024, at 10:33, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Could I correct a statement made in the first paragraph of this very interesting webpage?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike states that 'Editing was non-destructive (no sign of a razor blade), sometimes involving 3 VT machines'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, Chris Booth's excellent vtoldboys site under https://www.vtoldboys.com/evolve.htm  states  'It is with pride that early videotape editors look back at those ?physical? edits of the sixties. Some of the last major BBC drama to be cut edited were the classics, Forsyte Saga and Six Wives of Henry the Eighth.'
>>>>> 
>>>>> I knew that the Saga had been cut edit but not Six Wives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave Buckley
>>>>> 
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Thu Jan 25 13:06:04 2024
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 19:06:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
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Mmm, interesting, must have been a twin track TR90, all the ones I ever came across at BH were mono. 

Some years later in the parliamentary recording unit at No1 Bridge Street (now demolished) TIM was recorded onto track 2 of the 1/4? Studers taking the feeds from the two houses as a crude sort of timecode . . .

Hugh

> On 25 Jan 2024, at 18:26, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I was never a VT editor, but pretty adept with 1/4" audio tape!
> I spent one fascinating evening in a VT suite, with their top editor - name fogotten, now, trying to make a programme
> out of the BBC pantomime, which was overunning due to breakdowns and many retakes.
> Starred Norman Wisdom, who cringingly tried to implore the audience not to leave - they were off to get their
> last transport home. I've disliked the man ever since.
> 
> VT man was editing the 2" Ampex, I had a TR90 with the audio, tidying up the edits from a sound angle.
> The video tape had the sync track running along the bottom edge of the tape, and this was 'developed'
> with a solution of fine iron filings in alcohol, viewed with a microscope. It was necessary to physically cut the tape at
> the right point of the sync, otherwise the join would have caused a glitch, or frame roll.
> The TR90 transport was pretty accurate as to speed constancy, and both the video tape and audio had a burst of
> the time signal (TIM) to match up later.
> Haven't described this all that well, is there a VT Old Boy who could tell us about physical cut editing?
> 
> Best
> Pat
> 
>>>  25 Jan 2024, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?That?s a very interesting point, which in turn raises another related aspect. My intention was to reproduce Mike?s text which accompanied his pictures.  I?ve corrected a tiny number of minor typos, expanded a few references and tried to make the text consistent in style, but have hopefully retained the spirit of what Mike wrote.
>>> 
>>> As for the way the editing was done, I obviously have no reason to doubt what the VT O neccesaryld Boys say, but I also trust what Mike says because he was so personally involved with the production.  Does anybody know more about the editing process?
>>> 
>>> Could it be that in early episodes they cut the VT tape, but by the end of the series, technology allowed them to edit non-destructively? After all, they spent a hell of a long time shooting it at a time when technology was rapidly changing.
>>> 
>>> It?s entirely possible the both the VT guys and Mike could be correct, physical cutting might have been employed at times and non-destructive editing at other times. With a series divided into blocks with different directors, it seems entirely plausible that one director went with razor blade editing, while the other adopted those new-fangled three machine edits.
>>> 
>>> There is also the matter of how to include any third party information without risking confusing Mike's notes with comments from others.  I was considering following the format used in archived threads, of starting by crediting the person making the comment and then their comment.  In this article, it might make sense to use a different font or colour to make it obvious when it?s not Mike talking.
>>> 
>>> I did something like that when Mike included a comment about a number of pictures where the negatives got lost.  His original comments referred to file numbers for those pictures, but on the site I changed the text colour of those descriptions to blue in order to make it obvious, but without adding complexity, or repetitive warnings. One option I tried was to generate a relatively unobtrusive fake picture frame around those particular pictures, but eventually decided against it as it would still need descriptive text to clarify why those pictures had frames.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This was to be the general idea.  The left hand picture would be for pictures properly scanned from negatives, while the right hand picture would denote those few pictures reproduced from a print where no negative was available. Any thoughts about the preferred style?
>>>> 
>>>> In case anybody is wondering about the web site.  I agreed to take over from Alec, archiving the emails onto the site.  Despite a great deal of help from Alec, I never really got to grips with WordPress and the way it had been used for the Tech Ops site.  I kept archiving the emails, but was unable to add them to the site while retaining the looks and functionality of the site. Paul is now making huge progress sorting out the technicalities of the site and is working on further improvements to resolve mysterious but vital aspects of it which were looked after by Bernie alone.  The way things are working now is that I do the poncey stuff relating to editing words and pictures, while Paul does the heavy lifting in order to put it onto the site.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Jan 2024, at 10:33, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Could I correct a statement made in the first paragraph of this very interesting webpage?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike states that 'Editing was non-destructive (no sign of a razor blade), sometimes involving 3 VT machines'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, Chris Booth's excellent vtoldboys site under https://www.vtoldboys.com/evolve.htm  states  'It is with pride that early videotape editors look back at those ?physical? edits of the sixties. Some of the last major BBC drama to be cut edited were the classics, Forsyte Saga and Six Wives of Henry the Eighth.'
>>>>> 
>>>>> I knew that the Saga had been cut edit but not Six Wives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave Buckley
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:50:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
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A wonderful glimpse into past memories of TVC and the work we did there. And since no one else has commented, yes it's an EMI 203 camera in TC4 (TC3 was Marconi, I think).

TeaTeaFN - Tony


From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Jan 25 16:09:53 2024
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:09:53 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga
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I was just trying to remember the addresses of the BBC places in CF.
I had to work in the Switching Centre there once but forget the street name.
Probably in very late 60s when I was in the London BH SWC.
We must have talked to Bridge Street which I seem to remember was tiny little place in a street.
Then of course along came Llandaff which was across the park (home also of ITV Wales?
All gone now of course.
Mike Jordan (also visitor to MR, BM, NC, NT, SO and  lots of transmitter sites)

From: Hugh Snape via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 7:06 PM
To: Pat Heigham 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga

Mmm, interesting, must have been a twin track TR90, all the ones I ever came across at BH were mono.  

Some years later in the parliamentary recording unit at No1 Bridge Street (now demolished) TIM was recorded onto track 2 of the 1/4? Studers taking the feeds from the two houses as a crude sort of timecode . . .

Hugh
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From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:30:45 +0000
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Jan 26 06:40:03 2024
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 12:40:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: A return to water cooler telly, BBC mid-term review,
 Blue Room demos and 100 years of religion & ethics on the BBC
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I may be the only one, but I've sent this to the Alumni people.
Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.





> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
> Subject: Re: A return to water cooler telly, BBC mid-term review, Blue Room demos and 100 years of religion & ethics on the BBC
> Date: 26 January 2024 at 12:34:12 GMT
> To: "[BBC Alumni]" <admin at bbcalumni.co.uk>
> Cc: Mr Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
> 
> I am frankly appalled at the publicity surrounding the quite despicable show 'Traitors'.
> 
> Leaving aside the extreme tiredness of any 'reality' format, 9and I use the word advisedly), to plough so much into a format that glorifies deceit, lying, guesswork and confrontation I find reprehensible, and extremely ill-advised, especially for an organisation that used to set the standard for honesty, integrity and truthfulness.  
> 
> Has everyone forgotten 'To inform, entertain and educate'?
> 
> There is quite enough lying, cheating and deceit in our public discourse as it is, without putting additional lessons on the practices on prime-time Television.
> 
> The contrast with the recent 'Mr. Bates versus The Post Office' could not be clearer - has nobody made the link?
> 
> I fear not.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Jan 2024, at 16:41, [BBC Alumni] <admin at bbcalumni.co.uk <mailto:admin at bbcalumni.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> January 2024
>>  <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/e9rISkN5dff9t3eqIWScgRF6hjrUGqp4>
>> The Traitors II
>> Happy New Year Alasdair! 
>> They say you only need to do something for two consecutive years to create a tradition. *Hands up* if you now consider Wednesdays to Fridays in January the newest addition to your annual schedule? We are of course talking about hit show The Traitors <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/1eJOxjbkBSHrdAETpBG4AA0acf2YRiZF>, which the Alumni Relations team likes to call "reality TV for people who don't DO reality TV" (yes it's probably smug and reductive but we're going with it). It's not too late to join the Traitors party, just stay away from the office water cooler in the meantime.
>> We're going large on BBC Blue Room demos over the coming month - sign up while we still have availability - and you can join Ros Atkins online for our exclusive Q&A on his new book The Art of Explanation in February. 
>> The BBC mid-term review was published this month, some 2023 audience stats are out, awards season is upon us and there are yet more BBC anniversaries to celebrate. Read on for all the usual updates.
>> Whilst writing, we know that you have some wonderful stories and memories of your time at the BBC - why not share them with your fellow alumni at Alumni Stories <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/4NkZYAAgOMuPqfeAvW7Kq1kFwmdyAdc1>?
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>> The Traitors image credits: BBC/Studio Lambert/Llara Plaza
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>> Events
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>> 
>> BBC News' analysis editor, master explainer and now author, Ros Atkins, will be talking to us about his new book, The Art of Explanation: How to Communicate with Clarity and Confidence <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/X6z4KlTnUdWFlmX9ue6OST2svfZCvgWD> and his career, at Broadcasting House on Monday 19 February 2024 (rescheduled from November 2023). The in-person event is now full, register HERE to watch live on Zoom <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/TLjZhHaD7LO1JfxaAaWqqdh4WhTvfFmQ>.
>> 
>> 19/02/2024 18:30 - 21:00
>> 
>> BBC Broadcasting House, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA (New BH main entrance)
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> BAFTA Film Awards 2024 <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/k6abaFkp8kubnLYAVrVxykfjn5Kg0lvH>
>> 
>> Five films backed by BBC Film have been nominated for the prestigious BAFTA Film Awards. The Outstanding British Film category includes three BBC Film-backed titles: Charlotte Regan?s SCRAPPER <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/vg0U6lLq55ORAe8caDzmkM99KW5iCMGc> (pictured); Ken Loach?s THE OLD OAK <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/SPJ1Fmc6EIf9I26kBG8FiIgr02sY55ff>; and Raine Allen-Miller?s RYE LANE <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/lKZEJY7hk382o3oMugGS9WW4Q4sR9wHV> which also garnered a Leading Actress nomination for Vivian Oparah. Two BBC Film-backed shorts, FESTIVAL OF SLAPS and SUCH A LOVELY DAY, were also nominated in the British Short Film category. Watch the awards ceremony at 8pm on Sunday 18 February on BBC One and iPlayer. Full list of nominations here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/CigvlUlEGxhVVX3VOMKt9cxbk1sLYrSZ>.
>> BBC Future: How to improve your life in 2024 according to science <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/sF8F8hAI9CTlKfD5vYZkcn3fYNv4I7TG>
>> 
>> The start of a new year is a time for making changes and resolutions to improve your health and well-being. In this article, BBC Future looks at some of the best tips that science has to offer. Wave a fond farewell to "false hope syndrome". Visit BBC Future here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/OxCDHGUWROW3vyu4vcFruasUSRu6hxJR>. (Just for fun, image shows Beryl improving her life on a trampoline at the BBC Club Summer Festival, Motspur Park in 1959.)
>> BBC Research & Development - 2023 Highlights <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/LognBNRLcRLaEdOjT1mqtsDl43mhk4cc>
>> 
>> BBC Research & Development <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/lGSTkF1cy8bS35MP3cdMIfVonDxmANbL> have been shaping the future of the BBC for 92 years!?In this round-up and short video <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/UanMfxUZ0XLMY5hhtNjoiyQOAXlP1rZN>, they reflect on their achievements over the last year and give us a head start on where things are headed over the next year or two. Minds blown.
>> BBC Sounds' Most Popular Podcasts of 2023 <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/W9zqbdmVwiHiCZ6Q3tnhNiNWjgvPLa4x>
>> 
>> At the end of December, BBC Sounds published their top 10 most popular podcasts <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/5VHQdRVurHLu48YlYr13IAPuiTIBtoOi> of 2023 and revealed that podcast listening was up 34% on the platform. From January to November there were over 2 billion plays of radio, music and podcasts on Sounds, as listeners continued to enjoy a wide range of audio content from across the BBC. Read more here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/NgBjmH5HyKQeFDqpl4HeWfDUENMiWNA2>.
>> BBC Christmas Day Ratings <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/YZSoAnMLfaBfKBRspWRkXw7V2eV9MroV>
>> 
>> BBC dominated the ratings with nine out of the top ten most watched shows on Christmas Day. BBC?s Strictly special was the most popular show with 5.3 million viewers (excluding The King?s Christmas broadcast) and BBC One was by far the biggest channel with over 27% of broadcast viewing. Read more at the BBC Media Centre <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/AaIQwDtG2qy8jK2XBuTeUSp6FKPW4KND>.
>> Movers and Shakers <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/law0gKKMQGiGvcn8aONWKVKow40vRlUV>
>> 
>> Paul Royall <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/mMen87NH3JJNLR1d1ani2pXhVZ1Kem8y> (pictured) has been appointed as the Executive News Editor of the BBC News Channel on a permanent basis.
>> 
>> HISTORY OF THE BBC
>> 100 Years of BBC Religion & Ethics <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/xrCLJUu67hco6Ah0nCN2Zqo0ITwmEfGx>
>> 
>> The first broadcast religious service was presented by Rev Dick Sheppard - dubbed ?the Vicar of the BBC?, on 6 January 1924. To mark 100 years of religion and ethics on the BBC, the History <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/v6aPoSgkzcCqGfiYWAxuPjfrF62JjWDA> team has created this fascinating timeline <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/jpdafcKeG9EgPadJJdmOFwigaGXgdEsI>, which includes some moving and inspiring content from across the decades. Visit BBC Religion & Ethics at 100 <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/envSFEPO7YxH0LYnlWAqKab9CDDTUqxY>.
>> 70 Years of Weather on BBC TV <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/6JWM5rLpmiRf0SOHl8PL0xRvQijcwNCF>
>> 
>> On 11 January 1954, George Cowling (pictured) became the first weather forecaster to appear in vision, standing before a map. Employed by the Met Office, he shared duties with fellow professional meteorologist Tom Clifton, using charcoal sticks to draw weather features on two charts - one for today and one for tomorrow's forecast. To mark the anniversary, BBC weather forecaster Matt Taylor looks back at 70 years of TV weather here. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/9zulgKPN3vGPFZYSs4Iv9XaSuldD5Och> 
>> 
>> DON'T MISS...
>> The Traitors <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/v6Js201W4PO0qOxINJ3oGMaQdT8ejZRF>
>> 
>> Ahead of the jaw-dropping finale still to come, The Traitors <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/fjtPJNFiAScIL1cZmjjzEcH8WMq8AY5q> (produced by Studio Lambert) has cemented its place as the biggest entertainment show on demand/VOD <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/dV3GDmOfA9t6wkQaFi73RF6yRTWP25Vj> across all broadcasters and streamers in at least the last two years. Series one and two are available on?iPlayer <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/h6VSIm9Uf0cq06qTXsXpHB3rSwXRiGMl> - it's never too late to join the party!
>> 
>> SHARE YOUR STORY
>> Your BBC Alumni Story <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/Mvc2ZfsBOynUxIyjXKEOm4wQrRsTWBsc>
>> 
>> Remember when you locked eyes with your (now) husband across the Blue Peter set in TC1? Or launched that brand new BBC radio station? Or operated an actual Dalek? Share your unique stories with fellow alumni here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/Zb6cj77fPeIxtaG90PlMNI6UAQNYLPv9>.  (Image shows Blue Peter presenter Valerie Singleton demonstrating how to make skittles in the studio out of old washing up liquid bottles, 1963)
>> 
>> MESSAGE BOARD
>> 
>> Call for BBC Alumni who worked on Eurovision 1974! Wise Owl Films are making the BBC documentary 'When ABBA came to Britain'. They're currently researching Eurovision 1974 - the year that ABBA won the competition - and looking for BBC alumni who worked on the show's production, as well as any jurors. Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/Bpo0AE9ha8l3T9Osd6tEXpAFknwLK60T>
>> 
>> Message from Jenny Day: Any ex BBC VT staff now living in Scotland? Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/YKfbP8jzj93SA9GzIrr7GYsNlk6zjTZ8>
>> 
>> Request from David Levy: I have had an enquiry from a Portuguese contact who is planning a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Portuguese Revolution of April 25 1974. Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/CGxlWKiPIObUHHzQYujdkFIEto1gWnIm>
>> 
>> Request from Ruth Mayorcas: Obituary for Geoffrey Paget - Production Executive BBC Drama Plays/Films. Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/vy3JPLrIUL9XrABhB4vfRtF8MHROarQI>
>> 
>> Request from Sue Malden: Volunteers wanted for the British Entertainment History Project! Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/ZMU37jVZyJ1M4b5vf36NJBYHJvTuDxN3>
>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Jan 26 13:17:15 2024
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 19:17:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A return to water cooler telly, BBC mid-term review,
 Blue Room demos and 100 years of religion & ethics on the BBC
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We have carefully avoided watching Traitors for the very reasons you cite, Alasdair.

Mike G


> On 26 Jan 2024, at 12:40, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I may be the only one, but I've sent this to the Alumni people.
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>>
>> Subject: Re: A return to water cooler telly, BBC mid-term review, Blue Room demos and 100 years of religion & ethics on the BBC
>> Date: 26 January 2024 at 12:34:12 GMT
>> To: "[BBC Alumni]" <admin at bbcalumni.co.uk <mailto:admin at bbcalumni.co.uk>>
>> Cc: Mr Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>>
>> 
>> I am frankly appalled at the publicity surrounding the quite despicable show 'Traitors'.
>> 
>> Leaving aside the extreme tiredness of any 'reality' format, 9and I use the word advisedly), to plough so much into a format that glorifies deceit, lying, guesswork and confrontation I find reprehensible, and extremely ill-advised, especially for an organisation that used to set the standard for honesty, integrity and truthfulness.  
>> 
>> Has everyone forgotten 'To inform, entertain and educate'?
>> 
>> There is quite enough lying, cheating and deceit in our public discourse as it is, without putting additional lessons on the practices on prime-time Television.
>> 
>> The contrast with the recent 'Mr. Bates versus The Post Office' could not be clearer - has nobody made the link?
>> 
>> I fear not.
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Jan 2024, at 16:41, [BBC Alumni] <admin at bbcalumni.co.uk <mailto:admin at bbcalumni.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> January 2024
>>>  <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/e9rISkN5dff9t3eqIWScgRF6hjrUGqp4>
>>> The Traitors II
>>> Happy New Year Alasdair! 
>>> They say you only need to do something for two consecutive years to create a tradition. *Hands up* if you now consider Wednesdays to Fridays in January the newest addition to your annual schedule? We are of course talking about hit show The Traitors <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/1eJOxjbkBSHrdAETpBG4AA0acf2YRiZF>, which the Alumni Relations team likes to call "reality TV for people who don't DO reality TV" (yes it's probably smug and reductive but we're going with it). It's not too late to join the Traitors party, just stay away from the office water cooler in the meantime.
>>> We're going large on BBC Blue Room demos over the coming month - sign up while we still have availability - and you can join Ros Atkins online for our exclusive Q&A on his new book The Art of Explanation in February. 
>>> The BBC mid-term review was published this month, some 2023 audience stats are out, awards season is upon us and there are yet more BBC anniversaries to celebrate. Read on for all the usual updates.
>>> Whilst writing, we know that you have some wonderful stories and memories of your time at the BBC - why not share them with your fellow alumni at Alumni Stories <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/4NkZYAAgOMuPqfeAvW7Kq1kFwmdyAdc1>?
>>> See you next month.
>>> The Traitors image credits: BBC/Studio Lambert/Llara Plaza
>>> 
>>> Events
>>> **ONLINE ACCESS AVAILABLE** Ros Atkins on The Art of Explanation, Monday 19 February <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/wPsxgqmEeH5dfGzeguIz8U0Q4ui2v9aT>
>>> 
>>> BBC News' analysis editor, master explainer and now author, Ros Atkins, will be talking to us about his new book, The Art of Explanation: How to Communicate with Clarity and Confidence <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/X6z4KlTnUdWFlmX9ue6OST2svfZCvgWD> and his career, at Broadcasting House on Monday 19 February 2024 (rescheduled from November 2023). The in-person event is now full, register HERE to watch live on Zoom <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/TLjZhHaD7LO1JfxaAaWqqdh4WhTvfFmQ>.
>>> 
>>> 19/02/2024 18:30 - 21:00
>>> 
>>> BBC Broadcasting House, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA (New BH main entrance)
>>> BBC Blue Room demo: 10.45am Thursday 8 February, London Broadcasting House <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/YP7oGbYdh7nonnmJfdblKpbSPUuAED7H>
>>> 
>>> Visit the BBC Blue Room and discover how audiences find, consume, create and interact with digital content, through exciting technology such as generative AI, super apps and next generation devices. To enter the ballot, newsletter readers click the title and register as soon as possible.
>>> 
>>> 08/02/2024 10:45 - 12:15
>>> 
>>> London Broadcasting House, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA (access and registration at New Broadcasting House main entrance)
>>> BBC Blue Room demo: 2.30pm Thursday 15 February, London Broadcasting House <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/5crMhPRjX2nYiKXc2xEzzByeCjlO8K3M>
>>> 
>>> Visit the BBC Blue Room and discover how audiences find, consume, create and interact with digital content, through exciting technology such as generative AI, super apps and next generation devices. To enter the ballot, newsletter readers click the title and register as soon as possible.
>>> 
>>> 15/02/2024 14:30 - 16:00
>>> 
>>> London Broadcasting House, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA (access and registration at New Broadcasting House main entrance)
>>> BBC Blue Room demo: 10.45am Thursday 29 February, London Broadcasting House <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/CjA7VfxPYK7F431f9gSJ0PZI5cxYTFjX>
>>> 
>>> Visit the BBC Blue Room and discover how audiences find, consume, create and interact with digital content, through exciting technology such as generative AI, super apps and next generation devices. To enter the ballot, newsletter readers click the title and register as soon as possible.
>>> 
>>> 29/02/2024 10:45 - 12:15
>>> 
>>> London Broadcasting House, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA (access and registration at New Broadcasting House main entrance)
>>> 
>>> UPDATES
>>> BBC Mid-Term Review? <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/fScJeETI8nbk27Bgm9m2W08jRaIFZEim>
>>> 
>>> The Government has published its Mid-Term Review of the BBC Charter. Launched at the halfway point of the BBC?s 11 year Royal Charter, the Mid-Term Review evaluates the effectiveness of the governance and regulatory arrangements introduced by the Charter in 2017, with recommendations to ensure the best outcome for audiences. Read more at gov.uk <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/rr5IzOtfxZoEEmaSrHNtzij7GCa5tEAw>
>>> Small Indie Fund 2024 <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/UWrVDg9e8vKo3ik8N7jRc6eMnro1jUTH>
>>> 
>>> The BBC has announced the 57 companies supported through this year?s Small Indie Fund <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/tKyDgpVwXVIhxiKQ6TuSa3OfpOrBH3UA>. Launched in 2020, the Small Indie Fund supports the growth of small independent production companies from across the UK with turnovers below ?10m across Drama, Entertainment, Comedy, Factual, Daytime, Children?s and this year, Film. Read more here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/Jc8rHOINgP1kBLQZexwjtKHE6yoXLTIz>. (Image shows Dreaming Whilst Black <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/mxpgODMYtXjjUlfzdYv95Lv4smJBIDpa>, Big Deal Films, Small Indie Fund 2023)
>>> BBC Action Line contacts increase <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/ngvZlyOZLYVfaLTEYQLRI8uMiWsQW3nn>
>>> 
>>> BBC Action Line <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/AzO7MsjVB08WYxraFoqvmwd1ihUmhMjr> contacts rose in 2023, with more people seeking help and information on issues addressed in BBC programmes such as the BBC Three documentary Zara McDermott: Uncovering Rape Culture <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/rIKnTClCfDzC2x3ntpqD2tGriINAfZ05>, and BBC One drama The Woman in the Wall. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/bgUVMmiY3rjcksiDCDde6AC0eenUgjt4> The total number of calls and online visits to BBC Action Line services is expected to surpass 875,000, an increase from 2022 which saw just over 850,000. Visit the BBC Media Centre <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/87NiBtg3GwU7QXg1wQ9ndchur3jlfOWq> for more information.
>>> BAFTA Film Awards 2024 <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/k6abaFkp8kubnLYAVrVxykfjn5Kg0lvH>
>>> 
>>> Five films backed by BBC Film have been nominated for the prestigious BAFTA Film Awards. The Outstanding British Film category includes three BBC Film-backed titles: Charlotte Regan?s SCRAPPER <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/vg0U6lLq55ORAe8caDzmkM99KW5iCMGc> (pictured); Ken Loach?s THE OLD OAK <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/SPJ1Fmc6EIf9I26kBG8FiIgr02sY55ff>; and Raine Allen-Miller?s RYE LANE <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/lKZEJY7hk382o3oMugGS9WW4Q4sR9wHV> which also garnered a Leading Actress nomination for Vivian Oparah. Two BBC Film-backed shorts, FESTIVAL OF SLAPS and SUCH A LOVELY DAY, were also nominated in the British Short Film category. Watch the awards ceremony at 8pm on Sunday 18 February on BBC One and iPlayer. Full list of nominations here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/CigvlUlEGxhVVX3VOMKt9cxbk1sLYrSZ>.
>>> BBC Future: How to improve your life in 2024 according to science <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/sF8F8hAI9CTlKfD5vYZkcn3fYNv4I7TG>
>>> 
>>> The start of a new year is a time for making changes and resolutions to improve your health and well-being. In this article, BBC Future looks at some of the best tips that science has to offer. Wave a fond farewell to "false hope syndrome". Visit BBC Future here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/OxCDHGUWROW3vyu4vcFruasUSRu6hxJR>. (Just for fun, image shows Beryl improving her life on a trampoline at the BBC Club Summer Festival, Motspur Park in 1959.)
>>> BBC Research & Development - 2023 Highlights <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/LognBNRLcRLaEdOjT1mqtsDl43mhk4cc>
>>> 
>>> BBC Research & Development <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/lGSTkF1cy8bS35MP3cdMIfVonDxmANbL> have been shaping the future of the BBC for 92 years!?In this round-up and short video <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/UanMfxUZ0XLMY5hhtNjoiyQOAXlP1rZN>, they reflect on their achievements over the last year and give us a head start on where things are headed over the next year or two. Minds blown.
>>> BBC Sounds' Most Popular Podcasts of 2023 <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/W9zqbdmVwiHiCZ6Q3tnhNiNWjgvPLa4x>
>>> 
>>> At the end of December, BBC Sounds published their top 10 most popular podcasts <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/5VHQdRVurHLu48YlYr13IAPuiTIBtoOi> of 2023 and revealed that podcast listening was up 34% on the platform. From January to November there were over 2 billion plays of radio, music and podcasts on Sounds, as listeners continued to enjoy a wide range of audio content from across the BBC. Read more here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/NgBjmH5HyKQeFDqpl4HeWfDUENMiWNA2>.
>>> BBC Christmas Day Ratings <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/YZSoAnMLfaBfKBRspWRkXw7V2eV9MroV>
>>> 
>>> BBC dominated the ratings with nine out of the top ten most watched shows on Christmas Day. BBC?s Strictly special was the most popular show with 5.3 million viewers (excluding The King?s Christmas broadcast) and BBC One was by far the biggest channel with over 27% of broadcast viewing. Read more at the BBC Media Centre <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/AaIQwDtG2qy8jK2XBuTeUSp6FKPW4KND>.
>>> Movers and Shakers <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/law0gKKMQGiGvcn8aONWKVKow40vRlUV>
>>> 
>>> Paul Royall <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/mMen87NH3JJNLR1d1ani2pXhVZ1Kem8y> (pictured) has been appointed as the Executive News Editor of the BBC News Channel on a permanent basis.
>>> 
>>> HISTORY OF THE BBC
>>> 100 Years of BBC Religion & Ethics <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/xrCLJUu67hco6Ah0nCN2Zqo0ITwmEfGx>
>>> 
>>> The first broadcast religious service was presented by Rev Dick Sheppard - dubbed ?the Vicar of the BBC?, on 6 January 1924. To mark 100 years of religion and ethics on the BBC, the History <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/v6aPoSgkzcCqGfiYWAxuPjfrF62JjWDA> team has created this fascinating timeline <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/jpdafcKeG9EgPadJJdmOFwigaGXgdEsI>, which includes some moving and inspiring content from across the decades. Visit BBC Religion & Ethics at 100 <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/envSFEPO7YxH0LYnlWAqKab9CDDTUqxY>.
>>> 70 Years of Weather on BBC TV <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/6JWM5rLpmiRf0SOHl8PL0xRvQijcwNCF>
>>> 
>>> On 11 January 1954, George Cowling (pictured) became the first weather forecaster to appear in vision, standing before a map. Employed by the Met Office, he shared duties with fellow professional meteorologist Tom Clifton, using charcoal sticks to draw weather features on two charts - one for today and one for tomorrow's forecast. To mark the anniversary, BBC weather forecaster Matt Taylor looks back at 70 years of TV weather here. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/9zulgKPN3vGPFZYSs4Iv9XaSuldD5Och> 
>>> 
>>> DON'T MISS...
>>> The Traitors <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/v6Js201W4PO0qOxINJ3oGMaQdT8ejZRF>
>>> 
>>> Ahead of the jaw-dropping finale still to come, The Traitors <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/fjtPJNFiAScIL1cZmjjzEcH8WMq8AY5q> (produced by Studio Lambert) has cemented its place as the biggest entertainment show on demand/VOD <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/dV3GDmOfA9t6wkQaFi73RF6yRTWP25Vj> across all broadcasters and streamers in at least the last two years. Series one and two are available on?iPlayer <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/h6VSIm9Uf0cq06qTXsXpHB3rSwXRiGMl> - it's never too late to join the party!
>>> 
>>> SHARE YOUR STORY
>>> Your BBC Alumni Story <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/Mvc2ZfsBOynUxIyjXKEOm4wQrRsTWBsc>
>>> 
>>> Remember when you locked eyes with your (now) husband across the Blue Peter set in TC1? Or launched that brand new BBC radio station? Or operated an actual Dalek? Share your unique stories with fellow alumni here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/Zb6cj77fPeIxtaG90PlMNI6UAQNYLPv9>.  (Image shows Blue Peter presenter Valerie Singleton demonstrating how to make skittles in the studio out of old washing up liquid bottles, 1963)
>>> 
>>> MESSAGE BOARD
>>> 
>>> Call for BBC Alumni who worked on Eurovision 1974! Wise Owl Films are making the BBC documentary 'When ABBA came to Britain'. They're currently researching Eurovision 1974 - the year that ABBA won the competition - and looking for BBC alumni who worked on the show's production, as well as any jurors. Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/Bpo0AE9ha8l3T9Osd6tEXpAFknwLK60T>
>>> 
>>> Message from Jenny Day: Any ex BBC VT staff now living in Scotland? Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/YKfbP8jzj93SA9GzIrr7GYsNlk6zjTZ8>
>>> 
>>> Request from David Levy: I have had an enquiry from a Portuguese contact who is planning a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Portuguese Revolution of April 25 1974. Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/CGxlWKiPIObUHHzQYujdkFIEto1gWnIm>
>>> 
>>> Request from Ruth Mayorcas: Obituary for Geoffrey Paget - Production Executive BBC Drama Plays/Films. Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/vy3JPLrIUL9XrABhB4vfRtF8MHROarQI>
>>> 
>>> Request from Sue Malden: Volunteers wanted for the British Entertainment History Project! Click to read on. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/ZMU37jVZyJ1M4b5vf36NJBYHJvTuDxN3>
>>> 
>>>     BBC Alumni Relations
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Jan 26 13:18:15 2024
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 19:18:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A return to water cooler telly, BBC mid-term review,
 Blue Room demos and 100 years of religion & ethics on the BBC
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I forgot to say that it?s the trailers that have put us off!

Mike G


> On 26 Jan 2024, at 12:40, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I may be the only one, but I've sent this to the Alumni people.
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>>
>> Subject: Re: A return to water cooler telly, BBC mid-term review, Blue Room demos and 100 years of religion & ethics on the BBC
>> Date: 26 January 2024 at 12:34:12 GMT
>> To: "[BBC Alumni]" <admin at bbcalumni.co.uk <mailto:admin at bbcalumni.co.uk>>
>> Cc: Mr Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>>
>> 
>> I am frankly appalled at the publicity surrounding the quite despicable show 'Traitors'.
>> 
>> Leaving aside the extreme tiredness of any 'reality' format, 9and I use the word advisedly), to plough so much into a format that glorifies deceit, lying, guesswork and confrontation I find reprehensible, and extremely ill-advised, especially for an organisation that used to set the standard for honesty, integrity and truthfulness.  
>> 
>> Has everyone forgotten 'To inform, entertain and educate'?
>> 
>> There is quite enough lying, cheating and deceit in our public discourse as it is, without putting additional lessons on the practices on prime-time Television.
>> 
>> The contrast with the recent 'Mr. Bates versus The Post Office' could not be clearer - has nobody made the link?
>> 
>> I fear not.
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Jan 2024, at 16:41, [BBC Alumni] <admin at bbcalumni.co.uk <mailto:admin at bbcalumni.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> January 2024
>>>  <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/e9rISkN5dff9t3eqIWScgRF6hjrUGqp4>
>>> The Traitors II
>>> Happy New Year Alasdair! 
>>> They say you only need to do something for two consecutive years to create a tradition. *Hands up* if you now consider Wednesdays to Fridays in January the newest addition to your annual schedule? We are of course talking about hit show The Traitors <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/1eJOxjbkBSHrdAETpBG4AA0acf2YRiZF>, which the Alumni Relations team likes to call "reality TV for people who don't DO reality TV" (yes it's probably smug and reductive but we're going with it). It's not too late to join the Traitors party, just stay away from the office water cooler in the meantime.
>>> We're going large on BBC Blue Room demos over the coming month - sign up while we still have availability - and you can join Ros Atkins online for our exclusive Q&A on his new book The Art of Explanation in February. 
>>> The BBC mid-term review was published this month, some 2023 audience stats are out, awards season is upon us and there are yet more BBC anniversaries to celebrate. Read on for all the usual updates.
>>> Whilst writing, we know that you have some wonderful stories and memories of your time at the BBC - why not share them with your fellow alumni at Alumni Stories <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/4NkZYAAgOMuPqfeAvW7Kq1kFwmdyAdc1>?
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>>> Events
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>>> BBC News' analysis editor, master explainer and now author, Ros Atkins, will be talking to us about his new book, The Art of Explanation: How to Communicate with Clarity and Confidence <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/X6z4KlTnUdWFlmX9ue6OST2svfZCvgWD> and his career, at Broadcasting House on Monday 19 February 2024 (rescheduled from November 2023). The in-person event is now full, register HERE to watch live on Zoom <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/TLjZhHaD7LO1JfxaAaWqqdh4WhTvfFmQ>.
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>>> The Government has published its Mid-Term Review of the BBC Charter. Launched at the halfway point of the BBC?s 11 year Royal Charter, the Mid-Term Review evaluates the effectiveness of the governance and regulatory arrangements introduced by the Charter in 2017, with recommendations to ensure the best outcome for audiences. Read more at gov.uk <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/rr5IzOtfxZoEEmaSrHNtzij7GCa5tEAw>
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>>> BBC Action Line <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/AzO7MsjVB08WYxraFoqvmwd1ihUmhMjr> contacts rose in 2023, with more people seeking help and information on issues addressed in BBC programmes such as the BBC Three documentary Zara McDermott: Uncovering Rape Culture <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/rIKnTClCfDzC2x3ntpqD2tGriINAfZ05>, and BBC One drama The Woman in the Wall. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/bgUVMmiY3rjcksiDCDde6AC0eenUgjt4> The total number of calls and online visits to BBC Action Line services is expected to surpass 875,000, an increase from 2022 which saw just over 850,000. Visit the BBC Media Centre <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/87NiBtg3GwU7QXg1wQ9ndchur3jlfOWq> for more information.
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>>> Five films backed by BBC Film have been nominated for the prestigious BAFTA Film Awards. The Outstanding British Film category includes three BBC Film-backed titles: Charlotte Regan?s SCRAPPER <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/vg0U6lLq55ORAe8caDzmkM99KW5iCMGc> (pictured); Ken Loach?s THE OLD OAK <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/SPJ1Fmc6EIf9I26kBG8FiIgr02sY55ff>; and Raine Allen-Miller?s RYE LANE <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/lKZEJY7hk382o3oMugGS9WW4Q4sR9wHV> which also garnered a Leading Actress nomination for Vivian Oparah. Two BBC Film-backed shorts, FESTIVAL OF SLAPS and SUCH A LOVELY DAY, were also nominated in the British Short Film category. Watch the awards ceremony at 8pm on Sunday 18 February on BBC One and iPlayer. Full list of nominations here <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/CigvlUlEGxhVVX3VOMKt9cxbk1sLYrSZ>.
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>>> On 11 January 1954, George Cowling (pictured) became the first weather forecaster to appear in vision, standing before a map. Employed by the Met Office, he shared duties with fellow professional meteorologist Tom Clifton, using charcoal sticks to draw weather features on two charts - one for today and one for tomorrow's forecast. To mark the anniversary, BBC weather forecaster Matt Taylor looks back at 70 years of TV weather here. <https://bbcalumni.co.uk/public/9zulgKPN3vGPFZYSs4Iv9XaSuldD5Och> 
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>>> 
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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 17:40:07 2024
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 23:40:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Monochrome Editing
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I accept all you say about the Old VT Editors and monochrome shows.? 
BUT.? I knew two things.

Firstly, the Forsyte Office went on to produce Vanity Fair, perhaps the 
first colour serial later in the same year as we finished Forsyte 
(1967). As far as I knew it was almost impossible to make a good razor 
blade edit with Colour Tape - so I assume that was done by "dub-editing".

Then, around the same time we worked on a series of Sherlock Holmes, in 
black & white, and there was this "exciting new editing technique" 
called "Editec".? It involved shooting the script as live with pauses 
for scene or costume changes.? At each pause the master tape was marked 
at the edit point.? Then, when we were ready, the master tape would run 
up and at the edit point it would switch from Play to Record.? Bingo, 
you had a transmission ready tape.? This I assumed was essentially the 
process that was used for "dub edits".? (In practice these instant edits 
turned out to be noisy, and the Back-up tape had to be used for a 
razor-blade remake.)

When I was writing my notes on Forsyte Saga I assumed the Holmes serial 
was earlier, and seeing an undoubted 3-machine sequence in the final 
episode, I jumped to the conclusion that the process was in use 
throughout Forsyte.? Now I have looked at my records, and find that 
Sherlock Holmes was actually in 1968. So I now think the transition to 
non-destructive editing was gradual during 1967-8 (or even 1969).

Best Wishes, Mike Minchin



From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 18:01:56 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 00:01:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Monochrome Editing
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I was just thinking back to the first show I remember editec being used 
on. Troubleshooters. Think if an editec wasn't right, you didn't know 
until you reviewed it at the next recording stop. And if wasn't good, 
had to go back and do it again. Plus the incredibly clunky way the BBC 
had derived of doing it. IIRC, it was soon abandoned on the series after 
several massive over-runs.

Spool forward several years, and I moved to Thames. Only to find it in 
use on Rainbow. Where the vision mixer put on the dot rather than an 
engineer in the basement. Had a sound feed off the editec system so you 
could foldback the run up to the studio, and the (experienced) actors 
take their own cue (often). And it worked as intended. The prog totally 
TX ready at the end of the recording time. But could be it was so 
successful being used by a prog where everyone was very experienced at 
it. A drama could well be different.

On 26/01/2024 23:40, Mike via Tech1 wrote:
> I accept all you say about the Old VT Editors and monochrome shows. 
> BUT.? I knew two things.
> 
> Firstly, the Forsyte Office went on to produce Vanity Fair, perhaps the 
> first colour serial later in the same year as we finished Forsyte 
> (1967). As far as I knew it was almost impossible to make a good razor 
> blade edit with Colour Tape - so I assume that was done by "dub-editing".
> 
> Then, around the same time we worked on a series of Sherlock Holmes, in 
> black & white, and there was this "exciting new editing technique" 
> called "Editec".? It involved shooting the script as live with pauses 
> for scene or costume changes.? At each pause the master tape was marked 
> at the edit point.? Then, when we were ready, the master tape would run 
> up and at the edit point it would switch from Play to Record.? Bingo, 
> you had a transmission ready tape.? This I assumed was essentially the 
> process that was used for "dub edits".? (In practice these instant edits 
> turned out to be noisy, and the Back-up tape had to be used for a 
> razor-blade remake.)
> 
> When I was writing my notes on Forsyte Saga I assumed the Holmes serial 
> was earlier, and seeing an undoubted 3-machine sequence in the final 
> episode, I jumped to the conclusion that the process was in use 
> throughout Forsyte.? Now I have looked at my records, and find that 
> Sherlock Holmes was actually in 1968. So I now think the transition to 
> non-destructive editing was gradual during 1967-8 (or even 1969).
> 
> Best Wishes, Mike Minchin
> 
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Jan 26 18:11:27 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 00:11:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Monochrome Editing
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Message-ID: <9s120e57rqk7bb0tfebt8sp1.1706314287324@pgtmedia.co.uk>


Editec was still being used by That's Life up until the TV Theatre closed. It was a Sunday early evening pre rec for tx later that day.
Some weeks it was needed, others the show was done In a single take. (All on 1 Ins)

Once the TVT shut the show moved to TVC  with Friday rec for Sunday TX, so plenty of time for full 3 machine edit.



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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 27 January 2024 00:02
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: plowmandave44 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Monochrome Editing


I was just thinking back to the first show I remember editec being used
on. Troubleshooters. Think if an editec wasn't right, you didn't know
until you reviewed it at the next recording stop. And if wasn't good,
had to go back and do it again. Plus the incredibly clunky way the BBC
had derived of doing it. IIRC, it was soon abandoned on the series after
several massive over-runs.

Spool forward several years, and I moved to Thames. Only to find it in
use on Rainbow. Where the vision mixer put on the dot rather than an
engineer in the basement. Had a sound feed off the editec system so you
could foldback the run up to the studio, and the (experienced) actors
take their own cue (often). And it worked as intended. The prog totally
TX ready at the end of the recording time. But could be it was so
successful being used by a prog where everyone was very experienced at
it. A drama could well be different.

On 26/01/2024 23:40, Mike via Tech1 wrote:
> I accept all you say about the Old VT Editors and monochrome shows.
> BUT.? I knew two things.
>
> Firstly, the Forsyte Office went on to produce Vanity Fair, perhaps the
> first colour serial later in the same year as we finished Forsyte
> (1967). As far as I knew it was almost impossible to make a good razor
> blade edit with Colour Tape - so I assume that was done by "dub-editing".
>
> Then, around the same time we worked on a series of Sherlock Holmes, in
> black & white, and there was this "exciting new editing technique"
> called "Editec".? It involved shooting the script as live with pauses
> for scene or costume changes.? At each pause the master tape was marked
> at the edit point.? Then, when we were ready, the master tape would run
> up and at the edit point it would switch from Play to Record.? Bingo,
> you had a transmission ready tape.? This I assumed was essentially the
> process that was used for "dub edits".? (In practice these instant edits
> turned out to be noisy, and the Back-up tape had to be used for a
> razor-blade remake.)
>
> When I was writing my notes on Forsyte Saga I assumed the Holmes serial
> was earlier, and seeing an undoubted 3-machine sequence in the final
> episode, I jumped to the conclusion that the process was in use
> throughout Forsyte.? Now I have looked at my records, and find that
> Sherlock Holmes was actually in 1968. So I now think the transition to
> non-destructive editing was gradual during 1967-8 (or even 1969).
>
> Best Wishes, Mike Minchin
>
>

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jan 27 01:18:54 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Monochrome Editing
In-Reply-To: <a4609570-fb41-4ffa-994c-473946f2ab65@gmail.com>
References: <a4609570-fb41-4ffa-994c-473946f2ab65@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6D406D8-6796-4251-AD62-1ACED9E823C2@me.com>

Editech was certainly still in use in 1972.  I worked on some location inserts with Engelbert Humperdinck and The Young Generation.  We did dance sequences to one of his songs.  The director was Stewart Morris and consequentially, everything was on an epic scale.  Nearly every show generated an amusing story related to some sort of disaster during the filming.

The dance sequences were shot using a two camera MCR ( I believe it was MCR 21 after it was converted to colour ), sometimes with a radio camera too. The music track was first of all laid down onto VT and all recordings were then vision only, with the audio track being fed to speakers for the dancers.  Sequences used the vision mixer for cutting between cameras and then Editec was used to drop into vision only record for the next setup.  Because the dancers needed to get up to speed and take their cues, they used lengthy run-ups, maybe four or eight bars of music. 

During a sequence in the afternoon, Editec somehow dropped into record early and wiped everything from the moment the VT machine was run ready to record.  When the VT editor buzzed through what had happened, everybody in talkback went silent, expecting Stewart to go ballistic. 

He just calmly asked ? You are not joking are you? ?.  Then after viewing the tape announced that we will be going back to set up shot number one and redo everything before the light failed. Warning everybody that they?ve already had all the rehearsals, everything needed to be a one take wonder.  

Very much against the odds, it was all done in time and viewers would never have noticed anything different.

Now obviously none of this relates to Forsyte, but it does seem as though Editec or something similar would have been a workable way of editing Forsyte.  Being a multi-camera studio production, scenes would have been shot as complete items. Maybe more than one scene at a time. Therefore unlike modern VT editing, the VT edit was not so much a creative process, more a matter of assembling finished scenes in the right order.

There was another unusual aspect to Forsyte which makes be believe that this could be possible.  Apart from the opening and closing, Forsyte didn?t use any background music. Normally composers write music cues to be dropped in and music cues are frequently used to bridge transitions from one scene to another.  If there had been incidental music like that, it would have been incredibly challenging to do VT edits of that type.  Without any music, cuts between scenes become much more straightforward.

It looks as though most people could have been right all along. Mike being right by stating that they used non destructive editing and the VT Old Boys are right in stating that three machine edits hadn?t been invented at that time.

Alan


> On 26 Jan 2024, at 23:40, Mike via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I accept all you say about the Old VT Editors and monochrome shows.  BUT.  I knew two things.
> 
> Firstly, the Forsyte Office went on to produce Vanity Fair, perhaps the first colour serial later in the same year as we finished Forsyte (1967). As far as I knew it was almost impossible to make a good razor blade edit with Colour Tape - so I assume that was done by "dub-editing".
> 
> Then, around the same time we worked on a series of Sherlock Holmes, in black & white, and there was this "exciting new editing technique" called "Editec".  It involved shooting the script as live with pauses for scene or costume changes.  At each pause the master tape was marked at the edit point.  Then, when we were ready, the master tape would run up and at the edit point it would switch from Play to Record.  Bingo, you had a transmission ready tape.  This I assumed was essentially the process that was used for "dub edits".  (In practice these instant edits turned out to be noisy, and the Back-up tape had to be used for a razor-blade remake.)
> 
> When I was writing my notes on Forsyte Saga I assumed the Holmes serial was earlier, and seeing an undoubted 3-machine sequence in the final episode, I jumped to the conclusion that the process was in use throughout Forsyte.  Now I have looked at my records, and find that Sherlock Holmes was actually in 1968. So I now think the transition to non-destructive editing was gradual during 1967-8 (or even 1969).
> 
> Best Wishes, Mike Minchin
> 
> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Jan 27 02:10:05 2024
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 08:10:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga/ Cardiff premises
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From jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 03:17:24 2024
From: jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com (John Cavaciuti)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 09:17:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga/ Cardiff premises
Message-ID: <A5FCF51B-4F8F-469B-BC5C-573526F83E86@gmail.com>

In 1963, the ?Chapel? in Cardiff containing Studios A & B ( A was a 'drive in? with MCR 9) was in Broadway,
There was also a radio studio in Park Place.

Cheers,

John Cav.

From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Sat Jan 27 05:38:24 2024
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 11:38:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
Message-ID: <6017D23E-5C66-49CC-A6F5-9500B46DD295@vincent68.plus.com>

C?mon chaps, it?s just a game!.

When I play Cluedo with my grandchildren I bluff (lie) and use strategy to put them off the scent.

I could shoot, edit and add creepy music to make out I?m waging psychological warfare on them!

Well done BBC for taking a risk and having a hit on their hands.

I await to see ITV?s version.

John V

From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Jan 27 06:05:50 2024
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 12:05:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
In-Reply-To: <6017D23E-5C66-49CC-A6F5-9500B46DD295@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <a83haoc83gpd8bdbvtd6c82g.1706357150091@pgtmedia.co.uk>

I agree John. No diferent to Call my Bluff or Would I Lie to You?

The winner is the best at telling lies. 

(Not a show I would watch, bit know meany will)

You can not justify a licence fee without something for  everyone!




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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 27 January 2024 11:39
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors


C?mon chaps, it?s just a game!.

When I play Cluedo with my grandchildren I bluff (lie) and use strategy to put them off the scent.

I could shoot, edit and add creepy music to make out I?m waging psychological warfare on them!

Well done BBC for taking a risk and having a hit on their hands.

I await to see ITV?s version.

John V
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jan 27 06:32:42 2024
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 12:32:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
In-Reply-To: <a83haoc83gpd8bdbvtd6c82g.1706357150091@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <a83haoc83gpd8bdbvtd6c82g.1706357150091@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <07CF1500-B263-44F2-A446-A14014173C96@me.com>

I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.

If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.

Alan


> On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:06, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I agree John. No diferent to Call my Bluff or Would I Lie to You?
> 
> The winner is the best at telling lies. 
> 
> (Not a show I would watch, bit know meany will)
> 
> You can not justify a licence fee without something for  everyone!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
>  
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 
> +44 7802 243979
> 
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
>  
> 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> 
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> 
> 
>      Original Message      
> 
> 
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 27 January 2024 11:39
> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com
> Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
> 
> 
> C?mon chaps, it?s just a game!.
> 
> When I play Cluedo with my grandchildren I bluff (lie) and use strategy to put them off the scent.
> 
> I could shoot, edit and add creepy music to make out I?m waging psychological warfare on them!
> 
> Well done BBC for taking a risk and having a hit on their hands.
> 
> I await to see ITV?s version.
> 
> John V
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 06:39:09 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 12:39:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
In-Reply-To: <07CF1500-B263-44F2-A446-A14014173C96@me.com>
References: <a83haoc83gpd8bdbvtd6c82g.1706357150091@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<07CF1500-B263-44F2-A446-A14014173C96@me.com>
Message-ID: <34a391d3-9fe0-440a-bc37-ed0bcd1a2be3@gmail.com>

It seems to be getting decent viewing figures. And they pay the licence 
too. I've not watched it, but have no wish to deprive those who want to 
of it. I'm far more upset about the proposal to save money on NewsNight. 
Which has been extremely good recently.

On 27/01/2024 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.
> 
> If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:06, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?I agree John. No diferent to Call my Bluff or Would I Lie to You?
>>
>> The winner is the best at telling lies.
>>
>> (Not a show I would watch, bit know meany will)
>>
>> You can not justify a licence fee without something for  everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>>
>>   
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>> +44 7802 243979
>>
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>>   
>>
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>
>>
>>
>>       Original Message
>>
>>
>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: 27 January 2024 11:39
>> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Reply to: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com
>> Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
>>
>>
>> C?mon chaps, it?s just a game!.
>>
>> When I play Cluedo with my grandchildren I bluff (lie) and use strategy to put them off the scent.
>>
>> I could shoot, edit and add creepy music to make out I?m waging psychological warfare on them!
>>
>> Well done BBC for taking a risk and having a hit on their hands.
>>
>> I await to see ITV?s version.
>>
>> John V
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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> 

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Jan 27 07:59:41 2024
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 13:59:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga/ Cardiff premises
In-Reply-To: <A5FCF51B-4F8F-469B-BC5C-573526F83E86@gmail.com>
References: <A5FCF51B-4F8F-469B-BC5C-573526F83E86@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E617C0F-BB27-4756-A421-8A62ADE32F6E@me.com>

John et al - 

I came to Cardiff from London in about 1967 - 8 from memory, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't drive in then, but memory plays tricks.

I went to Grampian in Edinburgh early 1970's, I suppose, and they had that system with an ex-ATV Marconi 3 scanner.
Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.





> On 27 Jan 2024, at 09:17, John Cavaciuti <jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In 1963, the ?Chapel? in Cardiff containing Studios A & B ( A was a 'drive in? with MCR 9) was in Broadway,
> There was also a radio studio in Park Place.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> John Cav.

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jan 27 10:56:28 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 16:56:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
In-Reply-To: <07CF1500-B263-44F2-A446-A14014173C96@me.com>
References: <a83haoc83gpd8bdbvtd6c82g.1706357150091@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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It is juat so bad! I had to sit through one episode (SWMBO watches it) and all it was embarrassing waffle.

> On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.
> 
> If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:06, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I agree John. No diferent to Call my Bluff or Would I Lie to You?
>> 
>> The winner is the best at telling lies. 
>> 
>> (Not a show I would watch, bit know meany will)
>> 
>> You can not justify a licence fee without something for  everyone!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Thackray
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> 
>> +44 7802 243979
>> 
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>> 
>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>> 
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     Original Message      
>> 
>> 
>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: 27 January 2024 11:39
>> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Reply to: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com
>> Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
>> 
>> 
>> C?mon chaps, it?s just a game!.
>> 
>> When I play Cluedo with my grandchildren I bluff (lie) and use strategy to put them off the scent.
>> 
>> I could shoot, edit and add creepy music to make out I?m waging psychological warfare on them!
>> 
>> Well done BBC for taking a risk and having a hit on their hands.
>> 
>> I await to see ITV?s version.
>> 
>> John V
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From richardjblencowe at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 07:04:33 2024
From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:04:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
In-Reply-To: <9A713FEB-D011-46DA-BFC7-701B913A5AAA@icloud.com>
References: <a83haoc83gpd8bdbvtd6c82g.1706357150091@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <CAF1nxLhgAxuy=pRn-Gu=cLndwYHWJzQD-TkpDWTVUs3ULnXyKg@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a "Man Cave" complete with TV and model railway, wife happy, me
happy, and no need to endure dreadful programmes!

Dick Blencowe

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 at 16:57, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> It is juat so bad! I had to sit through one episode (SWMBO watches it) and
> all it was embarrassing waffle.
>
> > On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred
> other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number
> of streaming options.
> >
> > If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services,
> you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >> On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:06, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?I agree John. No diferent to Call my Bluff or Would I Lie to You?
> >>
> >> The winner is the best at telling lies.
> >>
> >> (Not a show I would watch, bit know meany will)
> >>
> >> You can not justify a licence fee without something for  everyone!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul Thackray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> >>
> >> +44 7802 243979
> >>
> >> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> >>
> >> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> >>
> >> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Original Message
> >>
> >>
> >> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >> Sent: 27 January 2024 11:39
> >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >> Reply to: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com
> >> Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
> >>
> >>
> >> C?mon chaps, it?s just a game!.
> >>
> >> When I play Cluedo with my grandchildren I bluff (lie) and use strategy
> to put them off the scent.
> >>
> >> I could shoot, edit and add creepy music to make out I?m waging
> psychological warfare on them!
> >>
> >> Well done BBC for taking a risk and having a hit on their hands.
> >>
> >> I await to see ITV?s version.
> >>
> >> John V
> >> --
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> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Jan 28 07:28:48 2024
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:28:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
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Me too but we were babysitting!

> On 28 Jan 2024, at 13:04, Richard Blencowe <richardjblencowe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've got a "Man Cave" complete with TV and model railway, wife happy, me happy, and no need to endure dreadful programmes!
> 
> Dick Blencowe
> 
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 at 16:57, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> It is juat so bad! I had to sit through one episode (SWMBO watches it) and all it was embarrassing waffle.
> 
> > On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.
> > 
> > If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
> > 
> > Alan
> > 
> > 
> >> On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:06, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> ?I agree John. No diferent to Call my Bluff or Would I Lie to You?
> >> 
> >> The winner is the best at telling lies. 
> >> 
> >> (Not a show I would watch, bit know meany will)
> >> 
> >> You can not justify a licence fee without something for  everyone!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Paul Thackray
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> >> 
> >> +44 7802 243979
> >> 
> >> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> >> 
> >> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> >> 
> >> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>     Original Message      
> >> 
> >> 
> >> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >> Sent: 27 January 2024 11:39
> >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >> Reply to: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com
> >> Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
> >> 
> >> 
> >> C?mon chaps, it?s just a game!.
> >> 
> >> When I play Cluedo with my grandchildren I bluff (lie) and use strategy to put them off the scent.
> >> 
> >> I could shoot, edit and add creepy music to make out I?m waging psychological warfare on them!
> >> 
> >> Well done BBC for taking a risk and having a hit on their hands.
> >> 
> >> I await to see ITV?s version.
> >> 
> >> John V
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> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
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? 
Graeme Wall




From john at ecompton.plus.com  Sun Jan 28 13:40:43 2024
From: john at ecompton.plus.com (John Adams)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 19:40:43 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] John Howell
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Does anyone have his contact details?

Mary Rose would like to e-mail him.

Regards

John

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sun Jan 28 15:57:17 2024
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 21:57:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] John Howell
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I will email Mary directly !

John.

> On 28 Jan 2024, at 19:40, John Adams via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have his contact details?
> Mary Rose would like to e-mail him.
> Regards
> John
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Jan 29 16:12:56 2024
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:12:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
Message-ID: <E039C8D6-2A91-46E2-AF0E-E15FB8A26D3F@me.com>

?

> On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.
> 
> If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 27 Jan 2024, at 12:06, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I agree John. No diferent to Call my Bluff or Would I Lie to You?
>> 
>> The winner is the best at telling lies.
>> 
>> (Not a show I would watch, bit know meany will)
>> 
>> You can not justify a licence fee without something for  everyone!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Thackray
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> 
>> +44 7802 243979
>> 
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>> 
>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>> 
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     Original Message      
>> 
>> 
>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: 27 January 2024 11:39
>> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Reply to: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com
>> Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
>> 
>> 
>> C?mon chaps, it?s just a game!.
>> 
>> When I play Cluedo with my grandchildren I bluff (lie) and use strategy to put them off the scent.
>> 
>> I could shoot, edit and add creepy music to make out I?m waging psychological warfare on them!
>> 
>> Well done BBC for taking a risk and having a hit on their hands.
>> 
>> I await to see ITV?s version.
>> 
>> John V
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> --
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jan 30 04:37:14 2024
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 10:37:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
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Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!)

In answer toAlan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find that 
at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch.
Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are not 
cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners?
I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t 
recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which they 
appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame.

With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a lot of 
repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier transmission, but a 
bit frustrating otherwise.

Bah!
Bumhug ? that should be Humbug!

On 27/01/2024 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.
>
> If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
>
> Alan
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 30 05:55:29 2024
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 11:55:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
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Have you got a smart TV, Pat? If so all sorts of box sets available to 
view online. If drama is your thing. A good story never dates. And uless 
previously glued to your TV, bound to be plenty you haven't seen before. 
or have simply forgotten, so worth another view.

On 30/01/2024 10:37, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!)
> 
> In answer toAlan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find that 
> at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch.
> Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are not 
> cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners?
> I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t 
> recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which they 
> appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame.
> 
> With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a lot of 
> repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier transmission, but a 
> bit frustrating otherwise.
> 
> Bah!
> Bumhug ? that should be Humbug!
> 
> On 27/01/2024 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.
>>
>> If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
>>
>> Alan
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Tue Jan 30 14:43:38 2024
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:43:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
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Lighten up! Watch 'Death in Paradise' just the title music makes me smile!

Hibou.



> On 30 Jan 2024, at 10:37, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!)
> 
> In answer to  Alan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find that at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch.
> Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are not cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners?
> I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which they appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame.
> 
> With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a lot of repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier transmission, but a bit frustrating otherwise.
> 
> Bah!
> Bumhug ? that should be Humbug!
> 
>> On 27/01/2024 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.
>> 
>> If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
>> 
>> Alan
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From phider at gmx.com  Tue Jan 30 15:01:41 2024
From: phider at gmx.com (Peter Hider)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 22:01:41 +0100
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jan 30 15:33:07 2024
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 21:33:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
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He said bumhug, though - not so sure about that!
Celebrities: couldn?t agree more - just laughable.
I think Alan was meaning find something else to do rather than just gawping at the telly all the time.
Me also 81 - plenty of other things to do, thankfully.
Cheers etc., Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 30 Jan 2024, at 21:02, Peter Hider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Pat et Al
> I particularly like the word Bumbug!
> 
> Don't start me on 'Celebrities'. I agree wholeheartedly you Pat.
> 
> Many years ago I was in Hollywood watching the televised 3 mile long Christmas Parade. The Parade stops for the commercials and restarts with a whistle being blown. Every 50yds there's a 'celebrity' sitting in the back of an a big American convertible. Commentator "And here is Slim Bunglewitz from 'Time Before Yesterday". Big applause. We didn't recognise one person until the last. "Last but not least, here is Pat Boone!" Huge applause, real celebrity.
> I muttered that I thought he'd been dead twenty years.
> Best to all Peter Hider
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>> On 30/01/2024, 10:38 Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!)
>> 
>> In answer to  Alan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find that at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch.
>> Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are not cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners?
>> I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which they appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame.
>> 
>> With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a lot of repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier transmission, but a bit frustrating otherwise.
>> 
>> Bah!
>> Bumhug ? that should be Humbug!
>> 
>> On 27/01/2024 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I?ve never watched it either, but these days there are maybe a hundred other terrestrial options, thousands of satellite channels and any number of streaming options.
>> 
>> If you can?t find anything worth watching on all of those services, you?re probably a bit like me and find something else to do.
>> 
>> Alan
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 31 04:03:12 2024
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 10:03:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Traitors
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I'm always amused by the programme title: "Pointless Celebrities"

Sums it up well!

Pat H

On 30/01/2024 21:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> He said bumhug, though - not so sure about that!
> Celebrities: couldn?t agree more - just laughable.
> I think Alan was meaning find something else to do rather than just 
> gawping at the telly all the time.
> Me also 81 - plenty of other things to do, thankfully.
> Cheers etc., Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>
>> On 30 Jan 2024, at 21:02, Peter Hider via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Hi Pat et Al
>> I particularly like the word Bumbug!
>>
>> Don't start me on 'Celebrities'. I agree wholeheartedly you Pat.
>
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