From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Thu Feb 1 07:44:07 2024 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:44:07 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops Website Message-ID: <00a301da5514$bc44e6f0$34ceb4d0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Hi all, As you probably know currently both the old (Pre 2009 aprox ) and the new 2009 onwards (WordPress site) are on the Tech Ops Site website. ( http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/next/) Over the next few months Alec and I will be copying things from the 'old site' in to the 'new site' Once everything is in the new site , the old one will be removed. First thing I have tackled is the 'Disorganised Lunch Photos' I have also created a menu 'Tech Ops Lunch Pictures' now on the Front Page links which accesses all the newly imported and existing pages. These appears to be all that exist. I am unable to find any photos between 14/4/2010 and 2/10/2012. Does anyone know why or have these pictures that could be added ? (I have also added a new 'Search' the Wordpress site Top Right on the front page) Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 3 03:39:05 2024 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 09:39:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: References: <07CF1500-B263-44F2-A446-A14014173C96@me.com> Message-ID: My bedroom TV is a 22" Samsung - sits on my bedside table and purports to be a Smart TV. However it's a few years old, and some of the higher numbered free channels come up as 'data service' legend and nothing else. The software is up to date, though. With it's small screen, I don't notice much difference between normal and HD channels. A small, neat Bluray player is just in front of it and of course that plays music CD's, too. The sitting room TV is a rather old Sony Bravia 32", used merely as a monitor, as one of the DVD players acts as it's tuner feeding as RGB component. Sound goes via the hi-fi Quad set-up. Best wishes Pat H On 30/01/2024 11:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Have you got a smart TV, Pat? If so all sorts of box sets available to > view online. If drama is your thing. A good story never dates. And > uless previously glued to your TV, bound to be plenty you haven't seen > before. or have simply forgotten, so worth another view. > > On 30/01/2024 10:37, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!) >> >> In answer toAlan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find >> that at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch. >> Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are >> not cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners? >> I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t >> recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which they >> appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame. >> >> With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a lot >> of repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier transmission, >> but a bit frustrating otherwise. >> >> Bah! >> ?Samsung, Bumhug ? that should be Humbug! From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Feb 3 04:08:37 2024 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 10:08:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: References: <07CF1500-B263-44F2-A446-A14014173C96@me.com> Message-ID: As one who cannot stand the hype and concept of Traitors, I take solace and understanding of the real world from the likes of Adam Curtis and Norma Percy.? If you have an interest in why the Muslim world festers over the USA and neocolonialism, 3 eps. of 'The Power of Nightmares' (Adam Curtis 2004) on iPlayer offers a foundation course in the rise of Hamas and Trump, while Norma Percy penetrates the unrest over Gaza in a rare personal reminder of more recent doco's in 'The Fifty Years War - Israel and the Arabs'. That as a prelude to wondering why my Philips TV's 'green button' no longer brings up iPlayer from the BBC menu screen.? Instead I'm finding it via Freeview on Channel 100. Before I bury into the TV's settings, is it 'them' or just me? Hugh On 03/02/2024 09:39, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > My bedroom TV is a 22" Samsung - sits on my bedside table and purports > to be a Smart TV. > However it's a few years old, and some of the higher numbered free > channels come up > as 'data service' legend and nothing else. > The software is up to date, though. > With it's small screen, I don't notice much difference between normal > and HD channels. > > A small, neat Bluray player is just in front of it and of course that > plays music CD's, too. > > The sitting room TV is a rather old Sony Bravia 32", used merely as a > monitor, as one of > the DVD players acts as it's tuner feeding as RGB component. Sound > goes via the hi-fi Quad set-up. > > Best wishes > > Pat H > > On 30/01/2024 11:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Have you got a smart TV, Pat? If so all sorts of box sets available >> to view online. If drama is your thing. A good story never dates. And >> uless previously glued to your TV, bound to be plenty you haven't >> seen before. or have simply forgotten, so worth another view. >> >> On 30/01/2024 10:37, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!) >>> >>> In answer toAlan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find >>> that at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch. >>> Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are >>> not cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners? >>> I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t >>> recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which they >>> appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame. >>> >>> With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a lot >>> of repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier transmission, >>> but a bit frustrating otherwise. >>> >>> Bah! >>> ?Samsung, Bumhug ? that should be Humbug! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Feb 3 04:49:19 2024 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 10:49:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> Digital TVs are a mystery to me. Channels appear and disappear without me knowingly changing anything. A particularly weird thing is how when I press channel no 1, I start seeing and hearing BBC 1 perfectly normally, but after about fifteen seconds, it goes blank and tells me that the selected channel is not available. Whenever I feel that enough is enough, I get the tv to retune all the terrestrial and satellite channels, but many of the channel numbers change in the process, while some channels magically appear or sink without trace. Alan > On 3 Feb 2024, at 10:09, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > As one who cannot stand the hype and concept of Traitors, I take solace and understanding of the real world from the likes of Adam Curtis and Norma Percy. If you have an interest in why the Muslim world festers over the USA and neocolonialism, 3 eps. of 'The Power of Nightmares' (Adam Curtis 2004) on iPlayer offers a foundation course in the rise of Hamas and Trump, while Norma Percy penetrates the unrest over Gaza in a rare personal reminder of more recent doco's in 'The Fifty Years War - Israel and the Arabs'. > > That as a prelude to wondering why my Philips TV's 'green button' no longer brings up iPlayer from the BBC menu screen. Instead I'm finding it via Freeview on Channel 100. > > Before I bury into the TV's settings, is it 'them' or just me? > > Hugh > > > > On 03/02/2024 09:39, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> My bedroom TV is a 22" Samsung - sits on my bedside table and purports to be a Smart TV. >> However it's a few years old, and some of the higher numbered free channels come up >> as 'data service' legend and nothing else. >> The software is up to date, though. >> With it's small screen, I don't notice much difference between normal and HD channels. >> >> A small, neat Bluray player is just in front of it and of course that plays music CD's, too. >> >> The sitting room TV is a rather old Sony Bravia 32", used merely as a monitor, as one of >> the DVD players acts as it's tuner feeding as RGB component. Sound goes via the hi-fi Quad set-up. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Pat H >> >>> On 30/01/2024 11:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> Have you got a smart TV, Pat? If so all sorts of box sets available to view online. If drama is your thing. A good story never dates. And uless previously glued to your TV, bound to be plenty you haven't seen before. or have simply forgotten, so worth another view. >>> >>>> On 30/01/2024 10:37, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!) >>>> >>>> In answer toAlan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find that at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch. >>>> Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are not cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners? >>>> I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which they appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame. >>>> >>>> With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a lot of repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier transmission, but a bit frustrating otherwise. >>>> >>>> Bah! >>>> Samsung, Bumhug ? that should be Humbug! >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Sat Feb 3 04:51:20 2024 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 10:51:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: References: <07CF1500-B263-44F2-A446-A14014173C96@me.com> Message-ID: <4ed824d1-dd8c-4c43-8901-5761ee59ba8c@gmail.com> So does rather sound like you don't have 'Smart' facilities on your main setup? Easy way may be to add something like a Humax PVR, but you may also need an HDMI to SCART convertor if your TV doesn't have HDMI. You'll then have access to a wealth of progs you can't get on FreeView live. Assuming you have a reasonably fast internet connection. I use it a great deal, and wouldn't be without, since it's free. On 03/02/2024 09:39, Pat Heigham wrote: > My bedroom TV is a 22" Samsu.ng - sits on my bedside table and purports > to be a Smart TV. > However it's a few years old, and some of the higher numbered free > channels come up > as 'data service' legend and nothing else. > The software is up to date, though. > With it's small screen, I don't notice much difference between normal > and HD channels. > > A small, neat Bluray player is just in front of it and of course that > plays music CD's, too. > > The sitting room TV is a rather old Sony Bravia 32", used merely as a > monitor, as one of > the DVD players acts as it's tuner feeding as RGB component. Sound goes > via the hi-fi Quad set-up. > > Best wishes > > Pat H > > On 30/01/2024 11:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Have you got a smart TV, Pat? If so all sorts of box sets available to >> view online. If drama is your thing. A good story never dates. And >> uless previously glued to your TV, bound to be plenty you haven't seen >> before. or have simply forgotten, so worth another view. >> >> On 30/01/2024 10:37, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!) >>> >>> In answer toAlan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find >>> that at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch. >>> Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are >>> not cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners? >>> I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t >>> recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which they >>> appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame. >>> >>> With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a lot >>> of repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier transmission, >>> but a bit frustrating otherwise. >>> >>> Bah! >>> ?Samsung, Bumhug ? that should be Humbug! -- Dave Plowman London, SW From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Sat Feb 3 06:04:58 2024 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 12:04:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> References: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> Message-ID: <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> My set seems to put up a warning saying the channel list has changed and prompts me to do a re-tune then, or leave it for later. Most often near Xmas, when there are Xmas themed channels - which I don't watch. A recent re-tune left me without BBC 1 HD. (I select them by their channel numbers, so 101) Finding it on 'edit programmes' and clicking on that restored it to the main EPG. Also discovered the little used satellite dish had moved in the recent high winds and lost everything. Luckily the motor drive still worked so the setup menu in the TV moved it back to the correct position. Good job I'm retired as keeping a TV working as you want it these days can be a near full time job. On 03/02/2024 10:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Digital TVs are a mystery Luckilyto me. ?Channels appear and disappear without > me knowingly changing anything. ?A particularly weird thing is how when > I press channel no 1, I start seeing and hearing BBC 1 perfectly > normally, but after about fifteen seconds, it goes blank and tells me > that the selected channel is not available. > > Whenever I feel that enough is enough, I get the tv to retune all the > terrestrial and satellite channels, but many of the channel numbers > change in the process, while some channels magically appear or sink > without trace. > > Alan > > >> On 3 Feb 2024, at 10:09, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> As one who cannot stand the hype and concept of Traitors, I take >> solace and understanding of the real world from the likes of Adam >> Curtis and Norma Percy.? If you have an interest in why the Muslim >> world festers over the USA and neocolonialism, 3 eps. of 'The Power of >> Nightmares' (Adam Curtis 2004) on iPlayer offers a foundation course >> in the rise of Hamas and Trump, while Norma Percy penetrates the >> unrest over Gaza in a rare personal reminder of more recent doco's in >> 'The Fifty Years War - Israel and the Arabs'. >> >> That as a prelude to wondering why my Philips TV's 'green button' no >> longer brings up iPlayer from the BBC menu screen.? Instead I'm >> finding it via Freeview on Channel 100. >> >> Before I bury into the TV's settings, is it 'them' or just me? >> >> Hugh >> >> >> On 03/02/2024 09:39, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> My bedroom TV is a 22" Samsung - sits on my bedside table and >>> purports to be a Smart TV. >>> However it's a few years old, and some of the higher numbered free >>> channels come up >>> as 'data service' legend and nothing else. >>> The software is up to date, though. >>> With it's small screen, I don't notice much difference between normal >>> and HD channels. >>> >>> A small, neat Bluray player is just in front of it and of course that >>> plays music CD's, too. >>> >>> The sitting room TV is a rather old Sony Bravia 32", used merely as a >>> monitor, as one of >>> the DVD players acts as it's tuner feeding as RGB component. Sound >>> goes via the hi-fi Quad set-up. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Pat H >>> >>> On 30/01/2024 11:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Have you got a smart TV, Pat? If so all sorts of box sets available >>>> to view online. If drama is your thing. A good story never dates. >>>> And uless previously glued to your TV, bound to be plenty you >>>> haven't seen before. or have simply forgotten, so worth another view. >>>> >>>> On 30/01/2024 10:37, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Monday Moan (or Wednesday whinge!) >>>>> >>>>> In answer toAlan's suggestion to find something else to do ? I find >>>>> that at 81, there are fewer programmes that I like to watch. >>>>> Is it that the schedulers (and programme makers) are young and are >>>>> not cognisant of the viewing habits of elderly pensioners? >>>>> I get baffled by the ?celebrity? versions of quiz shows ? don?t >>>>> recognise the so-called celebs ? don?t watch the soaps in which >>>>> they appear, seemingly to be their tenuous claim to fame. >>>>> >>>>> With the plethora of multiple digital channels, now, there are a >>>>> lot of repeats. Quite useful if one has missed an earlier >>>>> transmission, but a bit frustrating otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> Bah! >>>>> ?Samsung, Bumhug ? that should be Humbug! >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 3 07:11:56 2024 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 13:11:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> References: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> Message-ID: <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> Computers were supposed to make our lives easy, but they don't! I get fed up with the likes of Microsoft telling me how to run my life. No sooner am I working happily, when an annoying pop-up appears, wanting me to do something different. Go away!! The 007 film "Goldeneye" has a Russian nerd who can send a spike back down the incoming route to rot up the remote computer. Lovely - I want that app! Best Pat H On 03/02/2024 12:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > My set seems to put up a warning saying the channel list has changed > and prompts me to do a re-tune then, or leave it for later.? Most > often near Xmas, when there are Xmas themed channels - which I don't > watch. A recent re-tune left me without BBC 1 HD. (I select them by > their channel numbers, so 101) Finding it on 'edit programmes' and > clicking on that restored it to the main EPG. Also discovered the > little used satellite dish had moved in the recent high winds and lost > everything. Luckily the motor drive still worked so the setup menu in > the TV moved it back to the correct position. Good job I'm retired as > keeping a TV working as you want it these days can be a near full time > job. > > On 03/02/2024 10:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Digital TVs are a mystery? Luckilyto me. ?Channels appear and >> disappear without me knowingly changing anything. ?A particularly >> weird thing is how when I press channel no 1, I start seeing and >> hearing BBC 1 perfectly normally, but after about fifteen seconds, it >> goes blank and tells me that the selected channel is not available. >> >> Whenever I feel that enough is enough, I get the tv to retune all the >> terrestrial and satellite channels, but many of the channel numbers >> change in the process, while some channels magically appear or sink >> without trace. >> >> Alan From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Feb 3 09:33:21 2024 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 15:33:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> References: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> Message-ID: <8e8a4283-9101-4ba2-9963-ba8f691beea3@davesound.co.uk> Well, Pat, you were the one complaining there was nothing worth watching on (free) TV. Though all of us who worked in sound were pretty used to grasping new technology when it arrived? Of only to decide if worthwhile for our purposes? On 03/02/2024 13:11, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > Computers were supposed to make our lives easy, but they don't! > I get fed up with the likes of Microsoft telling me how to run my life. > No sooner am I working happily, when an annoying pop-up appears, > wanting me to do something different. Go away!! > The 007 film "Goldeneye" has a Russian nerd who can send a spike > back down the incoming route to rot up the remote computer. > Lovely - I want that app! > > Best > Pat H > > On 03/02/2024 12:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> My set seems to put up a warning saying the channel list has changed >> and prompts me to do a re-tune then, or leave it for later.? Most >> often near Xmas, when there are Xmas themed channels - which I don't >> watch. A recent re-tune left me without BBC 1 HD. (I select them by >> their channel numbers, so 101) Finding it on 'edit programmes' and >> clicking on that restored it to the main EPG. Also discovered the >> little used satellite dish had moved in the recent high winds and >> lost everything. Luckily the motor drive still worked so the setup >> menu in the TV moved it back to the correct position. Good job I'm >> retired as keeping a TV working as you want it these days can be a >> near full time job. >> >> On 03/02/2024 10:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> Digital TVs are a mystery? Luckilyto me. ?Channels appear and >>> disappear without me knowingly changing anything. ?A particularly >>> weird thing is how when I press channel no 1, I start seeing and >>> hearing BBC 1 perfectly normally, but after about fifteen seconds, >>> it goes blank and tells me that the selected channel is not available. >>> >>> Whenever I feel that enough is enough, I get the tv to retune all >>> the terrestrial and satellite channels, but many of the channel >>> numbers change in the process, while some channels magically appear >>> or sink without trace. >>> >>> Alan > -- Dave P London SW From david.jasma at sky.com Sat Feb 3 10:08:05 2024 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:08:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] retunes on digital TVs In-Reply-To: <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> References: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> Message-ID: I am relieved to see that I am not alone! Every so often, the TV in our bedroom comes up with a comment like, 'channel listing has changed, do you want to retune?' so I do a digital channels only retune and find that a few channels that had vanished, are now there. I can also get Freeview HD as well. What does annoy me though, is being told which TX I should use. Putting my postcode into any website that assures you that it will find the correct transmitter for my postcode, will flag up Thornhill relay. Fair enough - I can see the tower from the back of my house and it is only 10 miles (behind my aerial which is lined up and has clear sight of Caldbeck TX 30 miles away in Cumbria). But Thornhill only has five multiplexes, while Caldbeck has nine. Guess which one I prefer (and doesn't mean turning my aerial around!) For my main viewing in the living room, I use Sky. For streaming or catchup, both my smart TV and Sky Q box are connected to the router upstairs by TP link boxes which use the house mains wiring to carry the signal. I get a better signal on my pad from the plugin unit in the living room throughout the house, than the router. Dave Buckley From hughsnape at talktalk.net Sat Feb 3 10:14:49 2024 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:14:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] retunes on digital TVs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A2FB1BE-9606-44FA-95DB-1400ED61ECBC@talktalk.net> Same here, Freeview directs me towards the Kingsbridge transmitter but it only carries half a dozen channels so I prefer Caradon Hill, over forty miles away. Hugh > On 3 Feb 2024, at 16:08, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I am relieved to see that I am not alone! > > Every so often, the TV in our bedroom comes up with a comment like, 'channel listing has changed, do you want to retune?' so I do a digital channels only retune and find that a few channels that had vanished, are now there. I can also get Freeview HD as well. > > What does annoy me though, is being told which TX I should use. Putting my postcode into any website that assures you that it will find the correct transmitter for my postcode, will flag up Thornhill relay. Fair enough - I can see the tower from the back of my house and it is only 10 miles (behind my aerial which is lined up and has clear sight of Caldbeck TX 30 miles away in Cumbria). But Thornhill only has five multiplexes, while Caldbeck has nine. Guess which one I prefer (and doesn't mean turning my aerial around!) > > For my main viewing in the living room, I use Sky. For streaming or catchup, both my smart TV and Sky Q box are connected to the router upstairs by TP link boxes which use the house mains wiring to carry the signal. I get a better signal on my pad from the plugin unit in the living room throughout the house, than the router. > > Dave Buckley > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 3 11:15:04 2024 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:15:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] retunes on digital TVs In-Reply-To: References: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> Message-ID: <90018e3f-436d-4326-a452-fc125699895c@amps.net> I guess the wilds of Cumbia are a problem! I am fortunate as the Crystal Palace and Croydon TX are virtually in the same line of sight from where I live, and being in a block of flats, had a very good aerial company to install an amplified distribution system to our eight flats. I was naughty as I sneaked up to the loft and made sure that the feed to my flat came off the unattenuated output. I also had a second downfeed to the other end of my living room. I was fascinated when I stayed with a (British) friend just North of Toronto - he had a 3 mtr satellite dish in his backyard. This would track from the East coast via Midwest? to the West., so one could watch a film, then two hours later, pick it up Midwest, the again from the West. It was also possible to view raw footage being bounced across by the network companies, for editing. I cannot get satellite reception, as there are tall trees in the way, and several companies, inc Sky could not find a location for a dish - much sucking of teeth! Can't fell the trees as they have a presrvation order in place, and the tree officer from the council isn a tough chap. Pity that the satellite wasn't positioned rather more centrally over the UK. TP link boxes are pretty good! Pat H On 03/02/2024 16:08, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > I am relieved to see that I am not alone! > > Every so often, the TV in our bedroom comes up with a comment like, > 'channel listing has changed, do you want to retune?' so I do a > digital channels only retune? and find that a few channels that had > vanished, are now there. I can also get Freeview HD as well. > > What does annoy me though, is being told which TX I should use. > Putting my postcode into any website that assures you that it will > find the correct transmitter for my postcode, will flag up Thornhill > relay. Fair enough - I can see the tower from the back of my house and > it is only 10 miles (behind my aerial which is lined up and has clear > sight of Caldbeck TX 30 miles away in Cumbria). But Thornhill only has > five multiplexes, while Caldbeck has nine. Guess which one I prefer > (and doesn't mean turning my aerial around!) > > For my main viewing in the living room, I use Sky. For streaming or > catchup, both my smart TV and Sky Q box are connected to the router > upstairs by TP link boxes which use the house mains wiring to carry > the signal. I get a better signal on my pad from the plugin unit in > the living room throughout the house, than the router. > > Dave Buckley > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Feb 3 11:27:38 2024 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:27:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] retunes on digital TVs In-Reply-To: <90018e3f-436d-4326-a452-fc125699895c@amps.net> References: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> <90018e3f-436d-4326-a452-fc125699895c@amps.net> Message-ID: <006e01da56c6$4aceef80$e06cce80$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Hi Pat, I do not believe Croydon has broadcast any TV channels since 2012. Is this why nothing is worth watching?!! (It can be used if CP is unwell) Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Pat Heigham via Tech1 Sent: 03 February 2024 17:15 To: Dave Buckley ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] retunes on digital TVs I guess the wilds of Cumbia are a problem! I am fortunate as the Crystal Palace and Croydon TX are virtually in the same line of sight from where I live, and being in a block of flats, had a very good aerial company to install an amplified distribution system to our eight flats. I was naughty as I sneaked up to the loft and made sure that the feed to my flat came off the unattenuated output. I also had a second downfeed to the other end of my living room. I was fascinated when I stayed with a (British) friend just North of Toronto - he had a 3 mtr satellite dish in his backyard. This would track from the East coast via Midwest to the West., so one could watch a film, then two hours later, pick it up Midwest, the again from the West. It was also possible to view raw footage being bounced across by the network companies, for editing. I cannot get satellite reception, as there are tall trees in the way, and several companies, inc Sky could not find a location for a dish - much sucking of teeth! Can't fell the trees as they have a presrvation order in place, and the tree officer from the council isn a tough chap. Pity that the satellite wasn't positioned rather more centrally over the UK. TP link boxes are pretty good! Pat H On 03/02/2024 16:08, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: I am relieved to see that I am not alone! Every so often, the TV in our bedroom comes up with a comment like, 'channel listing has changed, do you want to retune?' so I do a digital channels only retune and find that a few channels that had vanished, are now there. I can also get Freeview HD as well. What does annoy me though, is being told which TX I should use. Putting my postcode into any website that assures you that it will find the correct transmitter for my postcode, will flag up Thornhill relay. Fair enough - I can see the tower from the back of my house and it is only 10 miles (behind my aerial which is lined up and has clear sight of Caldbeck TX 30 miles away in Cumbria). But Thornhill only has five multiplexes, while Caldbeck has nine. Guess which one I prefer (and doesn't mean turning my aerial around!) For my main viewing in the living room, I use Sky. For streaming or catchup, both my smart TV and Sky Q box are connected to the router upstairs by TP link boxes which use the house mains wiring to carry the signal. I get a better signal on my pad from the plugin unit in the living room throughout the house, than the router. Dave Buckley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Feb 3 11:59:53 2024 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:59:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] retunes on digital TVs In-Reply-To: References: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> Message-ID: Same here for transmitters as Dave, except that neither of our TVs requires post-codes, they tune to the strongest signals. The local transmitter at Mickleham offers a significantly reduced choice of channels so our aerial is aimed at CP which is only twenty or so miles away but is far from being line of sight because we?re in the shadow of Box Hill. I found that it made quite a difference to point the aerial up by probably eight or ten degrees, which gives quite reasonable signal strength and gets all the CP channels on autotune. But the thing that scuppered us for a while on our new TV which only tunes to HD channels, where they are an option, is t/the fact that aircraft overhead reflect a strong enough signal to make sound and picture unusable, sometimes for quite protracted periods, presumably because the planes are circling over us on the way in to Heathrow. On the old set, we could choose SD or HD and we preferred uninterrupted, if slightly inferior picture quality. The fix for a while was to use our BT TV box, which uses the internet but offers channels in the same way as a standard handset, rather than having to go via iPlayer, ITVX, or whatever, but my wife dislikes the additional fag of switching on two devices, (three with the soundbar) and having to wait while the BT box goes through its rather laborious start-up. And the BT box doesn?t offer the +1 options which terrestrial TV does, nor the Drama channel, so I concluded that the answer had to be to block the reflections from aircraft by lining the roof in the vicinity of the loft aerial with Bacofoil. I was sceptical as to just how effective it would be, but we get no interruptions at all now ~ just the very occasional slight cobble for a few pixels which is quite acceptable. Is there an internet unit which behaves like the BT box, allowing immediate channel selection, but from the full range, including the +1 versions? I can?t say I?ve seen one. Mike G > On 3 Feb 2024, at 16:08, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > I am relieved to see that I am not alone! > > Every so often, the TV in our bedroom comes up with a comment like, 'channel listing has changed, do you want to retune?' so I do a digital channels only retune and find that a few channels that had vanished, are now there. I can also get Freeview HD as well. > > What does annoy me though, is being told which TX I should use. Putting my postcode into any website that assures you that it will find the correct transmitter for my postcode, will flag up Thornhill relay. Fair enough - I can see the tower from the back of my house and it is only 10 miles (behind my aerial which is lined up and has clear sight of Caldbeck TX 30 miles away in Cumbria). But Thornhill only has five multiplexes, while Caldbeck has nine. Guess which one I prefer (and doesn't mean turning my aerial around!) > > For my main viewing in the living room, I use Sky. For streaming or catchup, both my smart TV and Sky Q box are connected to the router upstairs by TP link boxes which use the house mains wiring to carry the signal. I get a better signal on my pad from the plugin unit in the living room throughout the house, than the router. > > Dave Buckley > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sun Feb 4 04:35:31 2024 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 10:35:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> References: <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> Message-ID: What are these pop-ups that keep appearing? The great thing about Windows, Microsoft 365 etc., is that everything including notifications of security and OS updates etc., can be configured as you want it. You shouldn?t be seeing anything intrusive. Ads can be effectively blocked with progs like AdGuard etc. A computer is only a tool. You control it, not the other way round! OK, for some folk in their 80?s it?s all utterly baffling, but it doesn?t have to be so. For me (also in my 80?s), YouTube is a gateway to unlimited music and entertainment that leaves daytime TV way back in the dark ages. In our house there?s no desire for a bedroom TV whatsoever, and indeed, the TV is only ever on if there?s something we specifically want to watch. But the computer(s) - I can?t imagine being without them. Music editing, video and photo editing, for instance - far more creative and satisfying than vegetating in front of mediochre TV. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 3 Feb 2024, at 13:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Computers were supposed to make our lives easy, but they don't! > I get fed up with the likes of Microsoft telling me how to run my life. > No sooner am I working happily, when an annoying pop-up appears, > wanting me to do something different. Go away!! > The 007 film "Goldeneye" has a Russian nerd who can send a spike > back down the incoming route to rot up the remote computer. > Lovely - I want that app! > > Best > Pat H > >> On 03/02/2024 12:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> My set seems to put up a warning saying the channel list has changed and prompts me to do a re-tune then, or leave it for later. Most often near Xmas, when there are Xmas themed channels - which I don't watch. A recent re-tune left me without BBC 1 HD. (I select them by their channel numbers, so 101) Finding it on 'edit programmes' and clicking on that restored it to the main EPG. Also discovered the little used satellite dish had moved in the recent high winds and lost everything. Luckily the motor drive still worked so the setup menu in the TV moved it back to the correct position. Good job I'm retired as keeping a TV working as you want it these days can be a near full time job. >> >>> On 03/02/2024 10:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> Digital TVs are a mystery Luckilyto me. Channels appear and disappear without me knowingly changing anything. A particularly weird thing is how when I press channel no 1, I start seeing and hearing BBC 1 perfectly normally, but after about fifteen seconds, it goes blank and tells me that the selected channel is not available. >>> >>> Whenever I feel that enough is enough, I get the tv to retune all the terrestrial and satellite channels, but many of the channel numbers change in the process, while some channels magically appear or sink without trace. >>> >>> Alan > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com Sun Feb 4 04:56:07 2024 From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 10:56:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: References: <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> Message-ID: <0737e6e2-155c-47ad-b3d7-26fa32626c89@googlemail.com> For fans of the modern digital age who can't live without their computers/iPads/phones (that incudes me): recommended reading "Light over Liskeard" by Louis De Bernie?res. John Nottage On 04/02/2024 10:35, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > What are these pop-ups that keep appearing? The great thing about Windows, Microsoft 365 etc., is that everything including notifications of security and OS updates etc., can be configured as you want it. You shouldn?t be seeing anything intrusive. Ads can be effectively blocked with progs like AdGuard etc. > A computer is only a tool. You control it, not the other way round! OK, for some folk in their 80?s it?s all utterly baffling, but it doesn?t have to be so. > For me (also in my 80?s), YouTube is a gateway to unlimited music and entertainment that leaves daytime TV way back in the dark ages. In our house there?s no desire for a bedroom TV whatsoever, and indeed, the TV is only ever on if there?s something we specifically want to watch. > But the computer(s) - I can?t imagine being without them. Music editing, video and photo editing, for instance - far more creative and satisfying than vegetating in front of mediochre TV. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 3 Feb 2024, at 13:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Computers were supposed to make our lives easy, but they don't! >> I get fed up with the likes of Microsoft telling me how to run my life. >> No sooner am I working happily, when an annoying pop-up appears, >> wanting me to do something different. Go away!! >> The 007 film "Goldeneye" has a Russian nerd who can send a spike >> back down the incoming route to rot up the remote computer. >> Lovely - I want that app! >> >> Best >> Pat H >> >>> On 03/02/2024 12:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> My set seems to put up a warning saying the channel list has changed and prompts me to do a re-tune then, or leave it for later. Most often near Xmas, when there are Xmas themed channels - which I don't watch. A recent re-tune left me without BBC 1 HD. (I select them by their channel numbers, so 101) Finding it on 'edit programmes' and clicking on that restored it to the main EPG. Also discovered the little used satellite dish had moved in the recent high winds and lost everything. Luckily the motor drive still worked so the setup menu in the TV moved it back to the correct position. Good job I'm retired as keeping a TV working as you want it these days can be a near full time job. >>> >>>> On 03/02/2024 10:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Digital TVs are a mystery Luckilyto me. Channels appear and disappear without me knowingly changing anything. A particularly weird thing is how when I press channel no 1, I start seeing and hearing BBC 1 perfectly normally, but after about fifteen seconds, it goes blank and tells me that the selected channel is not available. >>>> >>>> Whenever I feel that enough is enough, I get the tv to retune all the terrestrial and satellite channels, but many of the channel numbers change in the process, while some channels magically appear or sink without trace. >>>> >>>> Alan >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- John Nottage From alanaudio at me.com Sun Feb 4 06:16:29 2024 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 12:16:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where are this pop-ups popping up? I?m not clear about it from what you said or within the context of the topics we meandered across within this thread. I assume it?s not on digital TV and I hope it?s not on the emails either. As for YouTube etc, that?s another ball game and if the owners wish to monetise it by including intrusive advertising, well that up to them. Our choices are to accept it, vote with our feet, or find a technological solution. I?ve noticed that a few American sites now decline access if you opt out of accepting cookies. If I encounter that, I leave the site immediately and go elsewhere. There isn?t much information on the internet which can?t be gleaned from multiple sites. Alan > On 4 Feb 2024, at 10:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?What are these pop-ups that keep appearing? The great thing about Windows, Microsoft 365 etc., is that everything including notifications of security and OS updates etc., can be configured as you want it. You shouldn?t be seeing anything intrusive. Ads can be effectively blocked with progs like AdGuard etc. > From david.jasma at sky.com Sun Feb 4 08:17:54 2024 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 14:17:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s In-Reply-To: References: <45A143F8-1A1A-4D0F-99DD-34FB9AFB487C@me.com> <2e5f4222-1d3b-48fb-83db-226942cecd96@gmail.com> <877a6eff-0804-4110-907a-6d7148f74f6a@amps.net> Message-ID: In reply to Mike Giles, before we moved north of the border, we lived in the shadow of Harrow on the Hill and weren't getting a very good signal from CP. After the storm of 1987 (cue Michael Fish), I had to replace the TV aerial as it had been bent out of recognition! At the time, the RF distribution system at Neptune House, Elstree Centre, was being replaced and the company doing the work had some ex-BBC connection and was offering aerials and rigging at discounted prices. I bought a Band A cross X TV aerial, an FM aerial, a very long pole and two mounting brackets, and one weekend mounted the whole lot on the back wall of our house. I have attached a photo, but it doesn't show the aerials! In the mid-90s, our BBC2 reception on channel 33 broke up very badly on occasions. As it happens there had been some comment in the local paper that TV reception in some roads in central Harrow had deteriorated, and this was blamed on the building work going on at the time. The comment was correct - there were two tower cranes at work which I could see from the back of the house. Connecting a TV to the aerial and looking at BBC2, as the cranes rotated so the picture would break up then return to normal. The reason was obvious - the struts on the jib were acting a reflectors and as the jib rotated, the signal went in and out of phase with the direct signal from CP. 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On 04/02/2024 14:17, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > In reply to Mike Giles, before we moved north of the border, we lived in > the shadow of Harrow on the Hill and weren't getting a very good signal > from CP. After the storm of 1987 (cue Michael Fish), I had to replace > the TV aerial as it had been bent out of recognition! > > At the time, the RF distribution system at Neptune House, Elstree > Centre, was being replaced and the company doing the work had some > ex-BBC connection and was offering aerials and rigging at discounted > prices. > > I bought a Band A cross X TV aerial, an FM aerial, a very long pole and > two mounting brackets, and one weekend mounted the whole lot on the back > wall of our house. I have attached a photo, but it doesn't show the > aerials! > > In the mid-90s, our BBC2 reception on channel 33 broke up very badly on > occasions. As it happens there had been some comment in the local paper > that TV reception in some roads in central Harrow had deteriorated, and > this was blamed on the building work going on at the time. > > The comment was correct - there were two tower cranes at work which I > could see from the back of the house. Connecting a TV to the aerial and > looking at BBC2, as the cranes rotated so the picture would break up > then return to normal. The reason was obvious - the struts on the jib > were acting a reflectors and as the jib rotated, the signal went in and > out of phase with the direct signal from CP. > > There was nothing I or anyone else could do about this so we just > tolerated it until the building work finished. > > Dave Buckley > -- Dave Plowman London, SW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 4 Feb 2024, at 14:30, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > I have a roof terrace, and at night can see the red light on the CP mast. So decided that was the best place for the aerials despite not being the highest part of the house. But could all be done without ladders. Which suited me well. > > On 04/02/2024 14:17, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >> In reply to Mike Giles, before we moved north of the border, we lived in the shadow of Harrow on the Hill and weren't getting a very good signal from CP. After the storm of 1987 (cue Michael Fish), I had to replace the TV aerial as it had been bent out of recognition! >> At the time, the RF distribution system at Neptune House, Elstree Centre, was being replaced and the company doing the work had some ex-BBC connection and was offering aerials and rigging at discounted prices. >> I bought a Band A cross X TV aerial, an FM aerial, a very long pole and two mounting brackets, and one weekend mounted the whole lot on the back wall of our house. I have attached a photo, but it doesn't show the aerials! >> In the mid-90s, our BBC2 reception on channel 33 broke up very badly on occasions. As it happens there had been some comment in the local paper that TV reception in some roads in central Harrow had deteriorated, and this was blamed on the building work going on at the time. >> The comment was correct - there were two tower cranes at work which I could see from the back of the house. 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Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 4 Feb 2024, at 15:17, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > > Again in reply to Mike Giles, when we lived in Ealing, we were more or less under the flightpath from Heathrow, especially if there was little wind, or HM was at Windsor. > > Nothing to do with TV reception, but It always amused me that there was a large HR and an arrow on top of a gas holder in Harrow (I think) after a 707 landed at Northolt ?by mistake. > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > >> On 4 Feb 2024, at 14:30, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I have a roof terrace, and at night can see the red light on the CP mast. So decided that was the best place for the aerials despite not being the highest part of the house. But could all be done without ladders. Which suited me well. >> >> On 04/02/2024 14:17, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >>> In reply to Mike Giles, before we moved north of the border, we lived in the shadow of Harrow on the Hill and weren't getting a very good signal from CP. After the storm of 1987 (cue Michael Fish), I had to replace the TV aerial as it had been bent out of recognition! >>> At the time, the RF distribution system at Neptune House, Elstree Centre, was being replaced and the company doing the work had some ex-BBC connection and was offering aerials and rigging at discounted prices. >>> I bought a Band A cross X TV aerial, an FM aerial, a very long pole and two mounting brackets, and one weekend mounted the whole lot on the back wall of our house. I have attached a photo, but it doesn't show the aerials! >>> In the mid-90s, our BBC2 reception on channel 33 broke up very badly on occasions. 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URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Feb 4 12:06:15 2024 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 18:06:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s In-Reply-To: <619B30EE-7237-46C6-81BC-A0F941EF6276@me.com> References: <619B30EE-7237-46C6-81BC-A0F941EF6276@me.com> Message-ID: <6134E84F-B2FA-4185-8FBF-0D09638CB7A4@me.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsnape at talktalk.net Sun Feb 4 12:09:22 2024 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 18:09:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s In-Reply-To: <6134E84F-B2FA-4185-8FBF-0D09638CB7A4@me.com> References: <619B30EE-7237-46C6-81BC-A0F941EF6276@me.com> <6134E84F-B2FA-4185-8FBF-0D09638CB7A4@me.com> Message-ID: Rather like the Didcot power station, before its demise, which used to be visible for miles. When walking the Ridgeway some years ago it seemed to be impossible not to see it for a couple of days . . . Hugh > On 4 Feb 2024, at 18:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Those rigid type of gas holders were a memory from my childhood. I was born and raised in Wisbech, in the Fens. The land there was reclaimed from the sea and is very flat indeed. Near the middle of the town there used to be a gas holder exactly like that. > > When I was about ten, I and a friend would cycle off on our bicycles to explore the countryside. We never got lost because we could cycle many miles from the town and simply scan the horizon looking for the gas holder in order to find our way home. > > I once did a Songs of Praise interview with a farmer who lived very close to the Emley Moor transmitter. His children used the same principle when they were out and about, with the added bonus that even if they couldn?t see the transmitter itself, they could look to see which way nearby television aerials were pointing. > > Alan > > >> On 4 Feb 2024, at 17:53, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Apologies, I got the gas holders wrong - it's NO at Harrow and HR at Southall. >> >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 4 Feb 2024, at 15:17, Alasdair Lawrance > wrote: >>> >>> Again in reply to Mike Giles, when we lived in Ealing, we were more or less under the flightpath from Heathrow, especially if there was little wind, or HM was at Windsor. >>> >>> Nothing to do with TV reception, but It always amused me that there was a large HR and an arrow on top of a gas holder in Harrow (I think) after a 707 landed at Northolt ?by mistake. >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> alawrance1 at me.com >>> >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 4 Feb 2024, at 14:30, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> I have a roof terrace, and at night can see the red light on the CP mast. So decided that was the best place for the aerials despite not being the highest part of the house. But could all be done without ladders. Which suited me well. >>>> >>>> On 04/02/2024 14:17, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> In reply to Mike Giles, before we moved north of the border, we lived in the shadow of Harrow on the Hill and weren't getting a very good signal from CP. After the storm of 1987 (cue Michael Fish), I had to replace the TV aerial as it had been bent out of recognition! >>>>> At the time, the RF distribution system at Neptune House, Elstree Centre, was being replaced and the company doing the work had some ex-BBC connection and was offering aerials and rigging at discounted prices. >>>>> I bought a Band A cross X TV aerial, an FM aerial, a very long pole and two mounting brackets, and one weekend mounted the whole lot on the back wall of our house. I have attached a photo, but it doesn't show the aerials! >>>>> In the mid-90s, our BBC2 reception on channel 33 broke up very badly on occasions. As it happens there had been some comment in the local paper that TV reception in some roads in central Harrow had deteriorated, and this was blamed on the building work going on at the time. >>>>> The comment was correct - there were two tower cranes at work which I could see from the back of the house. Connecting a TV to the aerial and looking at BBC2, as the cranes rotated so the picture would break up then return to normal. The reason was obvious - the struts on the jib were acting a reflectors and as the jib rotated, the signal went in and out of phase with the direct signal from CP. >>>>> There was nothing I or anyone else could do about this so we just tolerated it until the building work finished. >>>>> Dave Buckley >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Plowman >>>> London, SW<20240204_142323.jpg>-- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Feb 4 17:04:41 2024 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 23:04:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s In-Reply-To: <55A72A20-4619-48E5-B977-3362796A4170@mac.com> References: <55A72A20-4619-48E5-B977-3362796A4170@mac.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 5 03:09:27 2024 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 09:09:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s In-Reply-To: <55A72A20-4619-48E5-B977-3362796A4170@mac.com> References: <55A72A20-4619-48E5-B977-3362796A4170@mac.com> Message-ID: I remember a tale of a long distance OB radio link set up from North Wales across Morecambe bay. Set up and rehearsal fine, but when it came to the TX, the tide had come in and the signal got bounced out from the water! Don't know the solution! Although my Tech-Ops course were not OB, we were trained to plan a theoretical OB programme, maybe that's where the above story originated. Pat H On 04/02/2024 22:19, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > The comments following my aerial and Bacofoil story remind me of a > couple of reports from many years ago. One related to people living > near a harbour, who got a lot of intermittent ghosting on the old 405 > system, which proved to be ships in the harbour rising and falling > with the tide. The other was something similar which was eventually > attributed to a gasometer whose height varied with the quantity of gas > it contained. I believe these accounts to be true in essence, if not > in detail - maybe others have better recall. > > Mike G From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Mon Feb 5 03:23:16 2024 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 09:23:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s In-Reply-To: References: <55A72A20-4619-48E5-B977-3362796A4170@mac.com> Message-ID: <706fa032-fa79-469e-a462-660fcacf4b0e@btinternet.com> Ah well...? Alan takes me back to TV Pres. in the early '70s.? At the time, Birmingham was in reserve for network control should TV Centre be compromised by 'The Troubles'. At short notice, I recall taking cans of film from the obit vault up the M1 to our Pebble Mill colleagues just in case. As to 'seeing' the output of more distant transmitters, we found that at the top of the East Tower, Sutton Coldfield and Wenvoe's signal strength was almost good enough to re-broadcast, as was Rowridge and even Holme Moss some of the time. However, my bid for a really tall mast as a reserve repeater station didn't survive. Re. iPlayer availability via green button, Lo! It was back over the weekend before trying to re-tune anything. Could it be that someone in today's BBC - or at Freeview - actually reads our emails? Hugh On 04/02/2024 23:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > When I used to live at Newbury, my house was on quite a big hill. > ?Hannington was the nearest transmitter, but there were a load of big > trees and a hill between it and my house. ?Oxford offered a good line > of sight and Membury was not too far either. > > I ended up using a very long wideband log periodic aerial together > with a rotator. ?It was easy to swing it around to try different > transmitters and in many cases to receive different regional > programming, especially local news broadcasts. > > Hannington was usually solid in the winter, but in spring and summer > it was pretty useless if there was rain on the leaves. Oxford was > reliable and Membury was useable too. ?In favourable conditions, I > could also pick up a transmitter in East Anglia and often a Welsh one > which offered S4C. ?On the face of it, to a non-welsh speaker, S4C > didn?t sound very useful, but they quite often used to show programmes > which had been on Ch4 the previous day, offering a sort of catch up > service for shows I missed the first time round. > > It was an interesting experiment and was very cheap too because I got > the rotator at a hugely discounted price when the local Tandy shop > closed down. The biggest drawback was tuning all those different > stations. ?I had a Finlux TV which allowed me to store something like > 16 channels, there was no Ch5 in those days, so I could store the four > channels for the four best transmitters. It was easy to see what was > on in the various regions because Ceefax used to show TV listings on > pages which would cycle through all the regions. It was more a case of > not being able to avoid seeing what was on in the regions. > > Alan > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Feb 5 03:50:19 2024 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 09:50:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s In-Reply-To: References: <55A72A20-4619-48E5-B977-3362796A4170@mac.com> Message-ID: Two BBC work stories from me of similar occasions! When there was due to be a party conference (I think) in Margate, we had to install the microwave back to London via CP. The well known route was Margate to a high point on Isle of Sheppey at Kingsborough Water Tower thence via Bluebell Hill (over Maidstone) then to CP. Since the first hop was all over the sea and was likely to fade, we had to spend a whole day testing the effect of tides coming and going. Links on van roof, 20ft up and 60ft up. Also when we covered the Dunkirk transmission for End of War, the main site was at Arromanches, they wanted a cue vision so on the survey, we took a TV across, went up hill over the town and MAGIC there was UK TV and production happy. However on Tx day, the tides were different and so signal - curses! Even a big scaffold tower was no use. At that show, there was a requirement for a cable bridge across a road in Caen (and a scaffold tower) and a team from Paris was brought in to build the bridge. However they had never done anything like this and didn't "stay" the support towers. After almost the first cable slung, collapse was possible so had to be hurriedly sorted before the show! My last oldies story is of when that bloke sailed all way round world and back into Plymouth, we wanted TV coverage from a helicopter. My boss sent it WAY WAY out to get first pics and no signal. Shouted to sort out the problem until pointed out to him that believe it or not, the earth was round and the helicopter had gone low over the edge (of the globe not the edge of the flat earth!) All good fun in OBs? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 05, 2024 9:09 AM To: Mike Giles ; Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s I remember a tale of a long distance OB radio link set up from North Wales across Morecambe bay. Set up and rehearsal fine, but when it came to the TX, the tide had come in and the signal got bounced out from the water! Don't know the solution! Although my Tech-Ops course were not OB, we were trained to plan a theoretical OB programme, maybe that's where the above story originated. Pat H -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Clicking on this gives you progs transmitted earlier that day to allow catchup. On channels which support this. Sometimes, this arrow is missing. Maybe 50% of the times you call up the EPG. It doesn't appear to be a TX fault, as going backwards on the EPG still works on my Humax PVR. Doing a factory reset brings is back - but is a long winded process. I've contacted LG, but got nowhere. The software has been updated several time since I've had the set. On 05/02/2024 09:23, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Ah well...? Alan takes me back to TV Pres. in the early '70s.? At the > time, Birmingham was in reserve for network control should TV Centre be > compromised by 'The Troubles'. At short notice, I recall taking cans of > film from the obit vault up the M1 to our Pebble Mill colleagues just in > case. As to 'seeing' the output of more distant transmitters, we found > that at the top of the East Tower, Sutton Coldfield and Wenvoe's signal > strength was almost good enough to re-broadcast, as was Rowridge and > even Holme Moss some of the time. However, my bid for a really tall mast > as a reserve repeater station didn't survive. > > Re. iPlayer availability via green button, Lo! It was back over the > weekend before trying to re-tune anything. Could it be that someone in > today's BBC - or at Freeview - actually reads our emails? > > Hugh > > On 04/02/2024 23:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> When I used to live at Newbury, my house was on quite a big hill. >> ?Hannington was the nearest transmitter, but there were a load of big >> trees and a hill between it and my house. ?Oxford offered a good line >> of sight and Membury was not too far either. >> >> I ended up using a very long wideband log periodic aerial together >> with a rotator. ?It was easy to swing it around to try different >> transmitters and in many cases to receive different regional >> programming, especially local news broadcasts. >> >> Hannington was usually solid in the winter, but in spring and summer >> it was pretty useless if there was rain on the leaves. Oxford was >> reliable and Membury was useable too. ?In favourable conditions, I >> could also pick up a transmitter in East Anglia and often a Welsh one >> which offered S4C. ?On the face of it, to a non-welsh speaker, S4C >> didn?t sound very useful, but they quite often used to show programmes >> which had been on Ch4 the previous day, offering a sort of catch up >> service for shows I missed the first time round. >> >> It was an interesting experiment and was very cheap too because I got >> the rotator at a hugely discounted price when the local Tandy shop >> closed down. The biggest drawback was tuning all those different >> stations. ?I had a Finlux TV which allowed me to store something like >> 16 channels, there was no Ch5 in those days, so I could store the four >> channels for the four best transmitters. It was easy to see what was >> on in the various regions because Ceefax used to show TV listings on >> pages which would cycle through all the regions. It was more a case of >> not being able to avoid seeing what was on in the regions. >> >> Alan >> >> > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From david.jasma at sky.com Mon Feb 5 05:03:59 2024 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 11:03:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] loss of signal on an OB References: Message-ID: There are some members of this group who would probably remember my old boss at TV Training - John Symons. (He's still going strong although his wife died last October). John hailed from Cardiff, and during his teen years was the 'mascot', so to speak, of the Welsh OB unit, to the extent of going out with the unit and help with rigging etc. On one OB from St.Helens cricket ground in Swansea, the OB lost the microwave link to Cardiff for a time during the afternoon. The link went across Swansea Bay towards Port Talbot, and John had a theory as to why the link went down. He explained this to the EM and said that he would make enquiries. Subsequently he contacted the Steel Company of Wales at Port Talbot and asked if they had 'blown' one of their furnaces at the time the link went down. Yes was the reply. 'Blowing' a furnace produces clouds of effectively iron filings which then blocked the microwave link went went straight across the steel works! Following Alasdair's story about the two gas holders, I attach a page from the newsletter of the local aircraft museum here in Dumfries which I edit, on exactly this subject. Later, I used the article in another newsletter I edit for an organisation in Harrow. A bit of extra info to the paragraph about the plane which landed on the Express Dairy's building - I think the passengers included a BBC news film crew. Dave Buckley -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 5 11:30:24 2024 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 17:30:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s In-Reply-To: References: <55A72A20-4619-48E5-B977-3362796A4170@mac.com> <706fa032-fa79-469e-a462-660fcacf4b0e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I believe that Sir Francis Chichester is ?the old (seafaring) bloke?, Mike! Mike G > On 5 Feb 2024, at 10:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > I have an LG TV. On the EPG, there should be an arrow between the station ident field and the programmes one. Clicking on this gives you progs transmitted earlier that day to allow catchup. On channels which support this. Sometimes, this arrow is missing. Maybe 50% of the times you call up the EPG. It doesn't appear to be a TX fault, as going backwards on the EPG still works on my Humax PVR. Doing a factory reset brings is back - but is a long winded process. I've contacted LG, but got nowhere. The software has been updated several time since I've had the set. > > On 05/02/2024 09:23, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >> Ah well... Alan takes me back to TV Pres. in the early '70s. At the time, Birmingham was in reserve for network control should TV Centre be compromised by 'The Troubles'. At short notice, I recall taking cans of film from the obit vault up the M1 to our Pebble Mill colleagues just in case. As to 'seeing' the output of more distant transmitters, we found that at the top of the East Tower, Sutton Coldfield and Wenvoe's signal strength was almost good enough to re-broadcast, as was Rowridge and even Holme Moss some of the time. However, my bid for a really tall mast as a reserve repeater station didn't survive. >> Re. iPlayer availability via green button, Lo! It was back over the weekend before trying to re-tune anything. Could it be that someone in today's BBC - or at Freeview - actually reads our emails? >> Hugh >> On 04/02/2024 23:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> When I used to live at Newbury, my house was on quite a big hill. Hannington was the nearest transmitter, but there were a load of big trees and a hill between it and my house. Oxford offered a good line of sight and Membury was not too far either. >>> >>> I ended up using a very long wideband log periodic aerial together with a rotator. It was easy to swing it around to try different transmitters and in many cases to receive different regional programming, especially local news broadcasts. >>> >>> Hannington was usually solid in the winter, but in spring and summer it was pretty useless if there was rain on the leaves. Oxford was reliable and Membury was useable too. In favourable conditions, I could also pick up a transmitter in East Anglia and often a Welsh one which offered S4C. On the face of it, to a non-welsh speaker, S4C didn?t sound very useful, but they quite often used to show programmes which had been on Ch4 the previous day, offering a sort of catch up service for shows I missed the first time round. >>> >>> It was an interesting experiment and was very cheap too because I got the rotator at a hugely discounted price when the local Tandy shop closed down. The biggest drawback was tuning all those different stations. I had a Finlux TV which allowed me to store something like 16 channels, there was no Ch5 in those days, so I could store the four channels for the four best transmitters. It was easy to see what was on in the various regions because Ceefax used to show TV listings on pages which would cycle through all the regions. It was more a case of not being able to avoid seeing what was on in the regions. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> > > -- > Dave Plowman > London, SW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Feb 5 11:50:43 2024 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 17:50:43 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s Message-ID: <3555F177AC224D3E820552DBAB69C615@Gigabyte> Two BBC work stories from me of similar occasions! When there was due to be a party conference (I think) in Margate, we had to install the microwave back to London via CP. The well known route was Margate to a high point on Isle of Sheppey at Kingsborough Water Tower thence via Bluebell Hill (over Maidstone) then to CP. Since the first hop was all over the sea and was likely to fade, we had to spend a whole day testing the effect of tides coming and going. Links on van roof, 20ft up and 60ft up. Also when we covered the Dunkirk transmission for End of War, the main site was at Arromanches, they wanted a cue vision so on the survey, we took a TV across, went up hill over the town and MAGIC there was UK TV and production happy. However on Tx day, the tides were different and so signal - curses! Even a big scaffold tower was no use. At that show, there was a requirement for a cable bridge across a road in Caen (and a scaffold tower) and a team from Paris was brought in to build the bridge. However they had never done anything like this and didn't "stay" the support towers. After almost the first cable slung, collapse was possible so had to be hurriedly sorted before the show! My last oldies story is of when that bloke sailed all way round world and back into Plymouth, we wanted TV coverage from a helicopter. My boss sent it WAY WAY out to get first pics and no signal. Shouted to sort out the problem until pointed out to him that believe it or not, the earth was round and the helicopter had gone low over the edge (of the globe not the edge of the flat earth!) All good fun in OBs? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 05, 2024 9:09 AM To: Mike Giles ; Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s I remember a tale of a long distance OB radio link set up from North Wales across Morecambe bay. Set up and rehearsal fine, but when it came to the TX, the tide had come in and the signal got bounced out from the water! Don't know the solution! Although my Tech-Ops course were not OB, we were trained to plan a theoretical OB programme, maybe that's where the above story originated. 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One day she was asked to do the calculations for a job like that - maybe even that one. The question put to her was that if a boat was sent [ quite a large number of miles ] out to sea with a microwave dish on it, bearing in mind the curvature of the earth, how high would a receiver on the shore need to be in order to pick up a signal? After she did the sums, she said ?Do you want the answer in feet or miles?? Alan > On 5 Feb 2024, at 17:51, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > Two BBC work stories from me of similar occasions! > > When there was due to be a party conference (I think) in Margate, we had to > install the microwave back to London via CP. The well known route was > Margate to a high point on Isle of Sheppey at Kingsborough Water Tower > thence via Bluebell Hill (over Maidstone) then to CP. Since the first hop > was all over the sea and was likely to fade, we had to spend a whole day > testing the effect of tides coming and going. Links on van roof, 20ft up and > 60ft up. > > Also when we covered the Dunkirk transmission for End of War, the main site > was at Arromanches, they wanted a cue vision so on the survey, we took a TV > across, went up hill over the town and MAGIC there was UK TV and production > happy. However on Tx day, the tides were different and so signal - curses! > Even a big scaffold tower was no use. > > At that show, there was a requirement for a cable bridge across a road in > Caen (and a scaffold tower) and a team from Paris was brought in to build > the bridge. However they had never done anything like this and didn't "stay" > the support towers. After almost the first cable slung, collapse was > possible so had to be hurriedly sorted before the show! > > My last oldies story is of when that bloke sailed all way round world and > back into Plymouth, we wanted TV coverage from a helicopter. My boss sent it > WAY WAY out to get first pics and no signal. Shouted to sort out the problem > until pointed out to him that believe it or not, the earth was round and the > helicopter had gone low over the edge (of the globe not the edge of the flat > earth!) > > All good fun in OBs? > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2024 9:09 AM > To: Mike Giles ; Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s > > I remember a tale of a long distance OB radio link set up from North > Wales across Morecambe bay. > Set up and rehearsal fine, but when it came to the TX, the tide had come > in and the signal got bounced out from the water! > > Don't know the solution! > > Although my Tech-Ops course were not OB, we were trained to plan a > theoretical OB programme, maybe that's where > the above story originated. > > Pat H -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In May 1961 I was at Guildford Cathedral for the Cathedral?s consecration - not in a BBC capacity, but as part of the consecration. The Event, including the arrival of HM the Queen et al was live on BBC TV. Microwave link to the Post Office tower, clearly visible from the cathedral on Stag Hill. I only had to be in the cathedral at certain points in the service, and was able to run down the hill to our house and see it live on TV, judging how much time I had till my next ?appearance?. Thing is, that seemed like science fiction in those days! Post script to this. Things certainly were different then: our house had been designated (and was used) as a ?convenience stop? by HM and her entourage on their way to and after the consecration, yet we, as occupants of the house, were free to come and go. Can you imagine that lack of security and Royal protection in this day and age?! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 5 Feb 2024, at 20:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Ruth Osborne ( the sound guy Leigh Osborne?s wife ) used to work in the Kendal Avenue Radio Links Office. One day she was asked to do the calculations for a job like that - maybe even that one. > > The question put to her was that if a boat was sent [ quite a large number of miles ] out to sea with a microwave dish on it, bearing in mind the curvature of the earth, how high would a receiver on the shore need to be in order to pick up a signal? After she did the sums, she said ?Do you want the answer in feet or miles?? > > Alan > > > > On 5 Feb 2024, at 17:51, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ? > > > > Two BBC work stories from me of similar occasions! > > > > When there was due to be a party conference (I think) in Margate, we had to > > install the microwave back to London via CP. The well known route was > > Margate to a high point on Isle of Sheppey at Kingsborough Water Tower > > thence via Bluebell Hill (over Maidstone) then to CP. Since the first hop > > was all over the sea and was likely to fade, we had to spend a whole day > > testing the effect of tides coming and going. Links on van roof, 20ft up and > > 60ft up. > > > > Also when we covered the Dunkirk transmission for End of War, the main site > > was at Arromanches, they wanted a cue vision so on the survey, we took a TV > > across, went up hill over the town and MAGIC there was UK TV and production > > happy. However on Tx day, the tides were different and so signal - curses! > > Even a big scaffold tower was no use. > > > > At that show, there was a requirement for a cable bridge across a road in > > Caen (and a scaffold tower) and a team from Paris was brought in to build > > the bridge. However they had never done anything like this and didn't "stay" > > the support towers. After almost the first cable slung, collapse was > > possible so had to be hurriedly sorted before the show! > > > > My last oldies story is of when that bloke sailed all way round world and > > back into Plymouth, we wanted TV coverage from a helicopter. My boss sent it > > WAY WAY out to get first pics and no signal. Shouted to sort out the problem > > until pointed out to him that believe it or not, the earth was round and the > > helicopter had gone low over the edge (of the globe not the edge of the flat > > earth!) > > > > All good fun in OBs? > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 > > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2024 9:09 AM > > To: Mike Giles ; Tech Ops > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interference on analogue TV reception in the 90s > > > > I remember a tale of a long distance OB radio link set up from North > > Wales across Morecambe bay. > > Set up and rehearsal fine, but when it came to the TX, the tide had come > > in and the signal got bounced out from the water! > > > > Don't know the solution! > > > > Although my Tech-Ops course were not OB, we were trained to plan a > > theoretical OB programme, maybe that's where > > the above story originated. > > > > Pat H > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Things certainly were different then: our house had been designated (and was used) as a ?convenience stop? by HM and her entourage on their way to and after the consecration, yet we, as occupants of the house, were free to come and go. Can you imagine that lack of security and Royal protection in this day and age?! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad Polite term: ?comfort stop? ! From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 04:34:22 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:34:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] P & CIII3 Message-ID: Hi, Does not have quite the same impact as Paddington holding hands with the late Queen, but I guess Mike Bond still would be amused by this... -- ===================================== Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com MOD: 07789 561 346 TEL: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 04:45:55 2024 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:45:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] P & CIII3 In-Reply-To: <94680ffa-39fb-4d55-af24-b1c6b70ccad2@gmail.com> References: <94680ffa-39fb-4d55-af24-b1c6b70ccad2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0e7ce8bd-4401-44c9-8f4d-bf1f58afa3f0@gmail.com> It seems pretty likely he has bladder cancer, and publicity about this not much mentioned type of cancer would be no bad thing, as early diagnosis makes treatment more likely to be successful. I say this having recently passed 5 years since diagnosis and currently NED. On 07/02/2024 10:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi, > I say > Does not have quite the same impact as Paddington holding hands with the > late Queen, but I guess Mike Bond still would be amused by this... > > > > -- > ===================================== > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > MOD: 07789 561 346 > TEL: 0118 981 7502 > > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Feb 7 06:12:33 2024 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 12:12:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] P & CIII3 In-Reply-To: <94680ffa-39fb-4d55-af24-b1c6b70ccad2@gmail.com> References: <94680ffa-39fb-4d55-af24-b1c6b70ccad2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bdcd0dd-1b1a-43f4-95b1-f3f66e707b67@amps.net> Lovely! But the Subject reference should be CIIIR. Pat (pedantically) On 07/02/2024 10:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi, > > Does not have quite the same impact as Paddington holding hands with > the late Queen, but I guess Mike Bond still would be amused by this... > > > > -- > ===================================== > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > MOD: 07789 561 346 > TEL: 0118 981 7502 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They had to cunningly position the camera to conceal the error. > > This looks as though it might be the shot he described. > > > > I?ve also seen a similar error on call sheets specifying where ?crew vehicals? should be parked. > > I?ve never thought vehicle was a tricky word to spell, but it does seem to get misspelt rather more often than I would expect. > > Alan > > >> On 11 Feb 2024, at 18:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Seems to be pushing the boundaries of spelling as well Alec. >> >> Beautifully presented diagram, crystal clear information but Vehical ? 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And eye can put the error rite ???????? Its rare lea ever wrong. ???????? Eye have run this poem threw it ???????? I am shore your pleased two no ???????? Its letter perfect awi the weigh ???????? My chequer tolled me sew. chris Glass Dislexia rulkes KO From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Feb 11 18:12:33 2024 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 00:12:33 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt In-Reply-To: References: <5A388D52-6FD9-4362-A680-E610EE7C8294@me.com> Message-ID: <99ECBC0646244E24AEE46B1A150FA612@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Brilliant Chris - give that man a skolership. Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Chris laptop on GMail via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar write It shows me strait a weigh As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee fore two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever wrong. Eye have run this poem threw it I am shore your pleased two no Its letter perfect awi the weigh My chequer tolled me sew. chris Glass Dislexia rulkes KO -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 00:59:18 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 06:59:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/comments/t0pyt5/spelling_is_sometimes_weird/ Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Apologies for any strange autocorrections... > <17077211284544630828433600940543.jpg>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Feb 12 06:02:19 2024 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:02:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt In-Reply-To: <99ECBC0646244E24AEE46B1A150FA612@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <99ECBC0646244E24AEE46B1A150FA612@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Nice, but interesting to note that in all probability you are on safe ground posting that here, whereas on Facebook you would almost certainly be met with a barrage of abuse. On our local ?Community conversations? Facebook group recently, someone mentioned that she is a close friend of Rita [sic] Chakrabati. I asked, was that a spellchecker error, because as a close friend she should know she is actually Reeta (with a smiley wink ? imoji). Several replies to that came from people saying how dare I correct someone?s spelling? The close friend said she is diskectic [sic] and what a horrible person I was to ?poke my nose in, and what business was it of mine?? I realise that English isn?t everyone?s first language, but more and more I wonder if some people ever went to school at all. What sad times we live in. I have a 20 month old granddaughter, and I dread to think what the future holds for her. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 12 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Brilliant Chris - give that man a skolership. > > Dave Newbitt > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris laptop on GMail via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt > Eye halve a spelling chequer > It came with my pea sea > It plainly marques four my revue > Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. > Eye strike a key and type a word > And weight four it two say > Weather eye am wrong oar write > It shows me strait a weigh > As soon as a mist ache is maid > It nose bee fore two long > And eye can put the error rite > Its rare lea ever wrong. > Eye have run this poem threw it > I am shore your pleased two no > Its letter perfect awi the weigh > My chequer tolled me sew. > > > chris Glass > > Dislexia rulkes KO > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Mon Feb 12 06:13:36 2024 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:13:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hate Facebook on several levels and would never join. Sent from my iPad > On 12 Feb 2024, at 12:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Nice, but interesting to note that in all probability you are on safe ground posting that here, whereas on Facebook you would almost certainly be met with a barrage of abuse. > On our local ?Community conversations? Facebook group recently, someone mentioned that she is a close friend of Rita [sic] Chakrabati. I asked, was that a spellchecker error, because as a close friend she should know she is actually Reeta (with a smiley wink ? imoji). Several replies to that came from people saying how dare I correct someone?s spelling? The close friend said she is diskectic [sic] and what a horrible person I was to ?poke my nose in, and what business was it of mine?? I realise that English isn?t everyone?s first language, but more and more I wonder if some people ever went to school at all. > What sad times we live in. > I have a 20 month old granddaughter, and I dread to think what the future holds for her. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 12 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Brilliant Chris - give that man a skolership. >> >> Dave Newbitt >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris laptop on GMail via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt >> Eye halve a spelling chequer >> It came with my pea sea >> It plainly marques four my revue >> Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. >> Eye strike a key and type a word >> And weight four it two say >> Weather eye am wrong oar write >> It shows me strait a weigh >> As soon as a mist ache is maid >> It nose bee fore two long >> And eye can put the error rite >> Its rare lea ever wrong. >> Eye have run this poem threw it >> I am shore your pleased two no >> Its letter perfect awi the weigh >> My chequer tolled me sew. >> >> >> chris Glass >> >> Dislexia rulkes KO >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Feb 12 06:20:43 2024 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:20:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48be0e58-a2bb-40a2-9554-aa0bcf4a4763@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 12/02/2024 12:13, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: > I hate Facebook on several levels and would never join. I wholly agree. The problem is avoiding Meta entirely - it has so many arms, including WhatsApp, that total abstinence is nigh on impossible unless one wants to become a virtual hermit. The only solution seems to be to keep it at as long an arm's length as possible, and to frequently update any profiles with contradictory information. Changing status, age, even gender if you aren't too prissy, completely buggers their listings. Chris Woolf From waresound at msn.com Mon Feb 12 07:16:29 2024 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:16:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt (was) Message-ID: Is that based on personal experience or hearsay? ?It?s your choice of course, but I think you are missing out on a number of very interesting TV related Facebook groups. A constant insight into latest technology, who?s doing what and how, etc. You don?t have to disclose anything but the most basic personal info, and you don?t have to have ?friends? other than those you want to keep in touch with. I venture to suggest that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. IPS has a members-only Workplace (Facebook) group that is an incredible source of conversation, information, events, items for sale (no selling fees), etc. Also a constant insight into latest technology, who?s doing what and how, etc. But it?s all down to choice and what you feel comfortable with. Only one way to find out! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 12 Feb 2024, at 12:13, B Wilkinson wrote: > ?I hate Facebook on several levels and would never join. > Sent from my iPad > >> On 12 Feb 2024, at 12:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Nice, but interesting to note that in all probability you are on safe ground posting that here, whereas on Facebook you would almost certainly be met with a barrage of abuse. >> On our local ?Community conversations? Facebook group recently, someone mentioned that she is a close friend of Rita [sic] Chakrabati. I asked, was that a spellchecker error, because as a close friend she should know she is actually Reeta (with a smiley wink ? imoji). Several replies to that came from people saying how dare I correct someone?s spelling? The close friend said she is diskectic [sic] and what a horrible person I was to ?poke my nose in, and what business was it of mine?? I realise that English isn?t everyone?s first language, but more and more I wonder if some people ever went to school at all. >> What sad times we live in. >> I have a 20 month old granddaughter, and I dread to think what the future holds for her. >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> >>> On 12 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?Brilliant Chris - give that man a skolership. >>> Dave Newbitt >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris laptop on GMail via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt >>> Eye halve a spelling chequer >>> It came with my pea sea >>> It plainly marques four my revue >>> Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. >>> Eye strike a key and type a word >>> And weight four it two say >>> Weather eye am wrong oar write >>> It shows me strait a weigh >>> As soon as a mist ache is maid >>> It nose bee fore two long >>> And eye can put the error rite >>> Its rare lea ever wrong. >>> Eye have run this poem threw it >>> I am shore your pleased two no >>> Its letter perfect awi the weigh >>> My chequer tolled me sew. >>> chris Glass >>> Dislexia rulkes KO >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 12 07:24:20 2024 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:24:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How I agree with Barry. I will have nothing to do with these 'social media' fora. Viewing 'Police Interceptors' and 'Motorway Cops', it is plain that when the miscreants are apprehended, most have no idea why. So, spreading the net wider, I wonder if today's youngsters are actually taught 'right from wrong'. Probably not, so who's feet at to lay the blame? Parents - probably. Schools - most likely. Some of us had the benefit(?) of private education. My prep school operated corporal punishment - the cane. Swiftly sentenced and swiftly carried out. Yes, it hurt, but it made one aware of calculating the odds of being caught a bit more accurately - useful if in charge of a body of blokes before advancing on an enemy position (allegedly). Pat H On 12/02/2024 12:13, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: > I hate Facebook on several levels and would never join. > Sent from my iPad > >> On 12 Feb 2024, at 12:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Nice, but interesting to note that in all probability you are on safe ground posting that here, whereas on Facebook you would almost certainly be met with a barrage of abuse. >> On our local ?Community conversations? Facebook group recently, someone mentioned that she is a close friend of Rita [sic] Chakrabati. I asked, was that a spellchecker error, because as a close friend she should know she is actually Reeta (with a smiley wink ? imoji). Several replies to that came from people saying how dare I correct someone?s spelling? The close friend said she is diskectic [sic] and what a horrible person I was to ?poke my nose in, and what business was it of mine?? I realise that English isn?t everyone?s first language, but more and more I wonder if some people ever went to school at all. >> What sad times we live in. >> I have a 20 month old granddaughter, and I dread to think what the future holds for her. >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 07:24:35 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:24:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt In-Reply-To: References: <99ECBC0646244E24AEE46B1A150FA612@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Hi all, One area I worked in in the IT industry was in the area of Network Management - remote configuration of routers, hubs and other network connected devices. There were a number of competing network Management protocols, one of which was the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) based on the Internet Protocol (IP) and was American in origin. The guy in charge of SNMP was absolutely obnoxious in any email communication (early says of email BTW too) - anyone who made any suggestion was a [redacted] fool or a [redacted] person with mental disability. I could not believe the vitriol that this guy poured onto the Internet and he would brook no suggested improvements. His disgusting attitude seems to have developed across much of the Internet. Thank heavens for areas of sanity such as this place; we can disagree at times, but always pleasantly and with dignity. Keep going lads!! Best regards Alec Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections... On Mon, 12 Feb 2024, 12:03 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: > Nice, but interesting to note that in all probability you are on safe > ground posting that here, whereas on Facebook you would almost certainly be > met with a barrage of abuse. > On our local ?Community conversations? Facebook group recently, someone > mentioned that she is a close friend of Rita [sic] Chakrabati. I asked, was > that a spellchecker error, because as a close friend she should know she is > actually Reeta (with a smiley wink ? imoji). Several replies to that came > from people saying how dare I correct someone?s spelling? The close friend > said she is diskectic [sic] and what a horrible person I was to ?poke my > nose in, and what business was it of mine?? I realise that English isn?t > everyone?s first language, but more and more I wonder if some people ever > went to school at all. > What sad times we live in. > I have a 20 month old granddaughter, and I dread to think what the future > holds for her. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > > On 12 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?Brilliant Chris - give that man a skolership. > > > > Dave Newbitt > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris laptop on GMail via Tech1 Sent: > Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: > [Tech1] Treasure Hunt > > Eye halve a spelling chequer > > It came with my pea sea > > It plainly marques four my revue > > Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. > > Eye strike a key and type a word > > And weight four it two say > > Weather eye am wrong oar write > > It shows me strait a weigh > > As soon as a mist ache is maid > > It nose bee fore two long > > And eye can put the error rite > > Its rare lea ever wrong. > > Eye have run this poem threw it > > I am shore your pleased two no > > Its letter perfect awi the weigh > > My chequer tolled me sew. > > > > > > chris Glass > > > > Dislexia rulkes KO > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 07:25:30 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:25:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt In-Reply-To: References: <99ECBC0646244E24AEE46B1A150FA612@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Days, not says - sorry! Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections... On Mon, 12 Feb 2024, 13:24 Alec Bray, wrote: > Hi all, > > One area I worked in in the IT industry was in the area of Network > Management - remote configuration of routers, hubs and other network > connected devices. There were a number of competing network Management > protocols, one of which was the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) > based on the Internet Protocol (IP) and was American in origin. > > The guy in charge of SNMP was absolutely obnoxious in any email > communication (early says of email BTW too) - anyone who made any > suggestion was a [redacted] fool or a [redacted] person with mental > disability. > > I could not believe the vitriol that this guy poured onto the Internet and > he would brook no suggested improvements. His disgusting attitude seems to > have developed across much of the Internet. > > Thank heavens for areas of sanity such as this place; we can disagree at > times, but always pleasantly and with dignity. > > Keep going lads!! > > Best regards > > Alec > > > Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections... > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2024, 12:03 Nick Ware via Tech1, > wrote: > >> Nice, but interesting to note that in all probability you are on safe >> ground posting that here, whereas on Facebook you would almost certainly be >> met with a barrage of abuse. >> On our local ?Community conversations? Facebook group recently, someone >> mentioned that she is a close friend of Rita [sic] Chakrabati. I asked, was >> that a spellchecker error, because as a close friend she should know she is >> actually Reeta (with a smiley wink ? imoji). Several replies to that came >> from people saying how dare I correct someone?s spelling? The close friend >> said she is diskectic [sic] and what a horrible person I was to ?poke my >> nose in, and what business was it of mine?? I realise that English isn?t >> everyone?s first language, but more and more I wonder if some people ever >> went to school at all. >> What sad times we live in. >> I have a 20 month old granddaughter, and I dread to think what the future >> holds for her. >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> >> > On 12 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Brilliant Chris - give that man a skolership. >> > >> > Dave Newbitt >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Chris laptop on GMail via Tech1 Sent: >> Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: >> [Tech1] Treasure Hunt >> > Eye halve a spelling chequer >> > It came with my pea sea >> > It plainly marques four my revue >> > Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. >> > Eye strike a key and type a word >> > And weight four it two say >> > Weather eye am wrong oar write >> > It shows me strait a weigh >> > As soon as a mist ache is maid >> > It nose bee fore two long >> > And eye can put the error rite >> > Its rare lea ever wrong. >> > Eye have run this poem threw it >> > I am shore your pleased two no >> > Its letter perfect awi the weigh >> > My chequer tolled me sew. >> > >> > >> > chris Glass >> > >> > Dislexia rulkes KO >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 07:32:20 2024 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:32:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt (was) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f9bbe05-0fe4-478b-8039-22904c8db137@gmail.com> Quite. I'm on a closed and moderated FB group for bladder cancer. Expecting Charles III to turn up anytime soon. It is an excellent source for the latest treatments and tips. While keeping out those trying to sell snake oil. Same applies to the specialist groups for work and hobbies etc - they are what the members make them. On 12/02/2024 13:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: for > Is that based on personal experience or hearsay? ?It?s your choice of course, but I think you are missing out on a number of very interesting TV related Facebook groups. A constant insight into latest technology, who?s doing what and how, etc. You don?t have to disclose anything but the most basic personal info, and you don?t have to have ?friends? other than those you want to keep in touch with. I venture to suggest that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. > IPS has a members-only Workplace (Facebook) group that is an incredible source of conversation, information, events, items for sale (no selling fees), etc. Also a constant insight into latest technology, who?s doing what and how, etc. > But it?s all down to choice and what you feel comfortable with. Only one way to find out! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 12 Feb 2024, at 12:13, B Wilkinson wrote: >> ?I hate Facebook on several levels and would never join. >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 12 Feb 2024, at 12:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Nice, but interesting to note that in all probability you are on safe ground posting that here, whereas on Facebook you would almost certainly be met with a barrage of abuse. >>> On our local ?Community conversations? Facebook group recently, someone mentioned that she is a close friend of Rita [sic] Chakrabati. I asked, was that a spellchecker error, because as a close friend she should know she is actually Reeta (with a smiley wink ? imoji). Several replies to that came from people saying how dare I correct someone?s spelling? The close friend said she is diskectic [sic] and what a horrible person I was to ?poke my nose in, and what business was it of mine?? I realise that English isn?t everyone?s first language, but more and more I wonder if some people ever went to school at all. >>> What sad times we live in. >>> I have a 20 month old granddaughter, and I dread to think what the future holds for her. >>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 12 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?Brilliant Chris - give that man a skolership. >>>> Dave Newbitt >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris laptop on GMail via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt >>>> Eye halve a spelling chequer >>>> It came with my pea sea >>>> It plainly marques four my revue >>>> Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. >>>> Eye strike a key and type a word >>>> And weight four it two say >>>> Weather eye am wrong oar write >>>> It shows me strait a weigh >>>> As soon as a mist ache is maid >>>> It nose bee fore two long >>>> And eye can put the error rite >>>> Its rare lea ever wrong. >>>> Eye have run this poem threw it >>>> I am shore your pleased two no >>>> Its letter perfect awi the weigh >>>> My chequer tolled me sew. >>>> chris Glass >>>> Dislexia rulkes KO >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Feb 12 08:09:12 2024 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:09:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt (was) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The closed groups are the best end of a bad thing. But even though I have only ever given the skimpiest of personal info - I had to join at one point to read some techie stuff some guy wanted me to review - and shut off every door I could on the privacy stuff... there was a leak. Since I use all sorts of lies in profiles, I can spot them oozing out somewhere else. The one thing one cannot trust any of these companies to do is to be honest about how they use your data - whatever they say about your right to privacy, they couldn't actually care a damn. In most cases what they have as data isn't necessarily too risky, but the attempts that AI now make to tie together plausible, but actually incompatible data is scary. Fedex have tried to bill me for VAT and customs for an invoice that was sent to a property I haven't been at for over a decade. Their computer systems had a record of my company from the distant past, and decided that an address that included the words "Broadcast Engineering News Bld" (for a delivery that was nothing to do with me) might conceivably be connected with Broadcast Engineering Systems Ltd - so AI makes a plausible leap and connects the two together. Believe me, unravelling that is a continuing saga.... But I do have to laugh at those who shun Facebook etc, but happily use a "smart speaker", believing that that doesn't do exactly the same thing. Chris Woolf On 12/02/2024 13:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Is that based on personal experience or hearsay? ?It?s your choice of course, but I think you are missing out on a number of very interesting TV related Facebook groups. A constant insight into latest technology, who?s doing what and how, etc. You don?t have to disclose anything but the most basic personal info, and you don?t have to have ?friends? other than those you want to keep in touch with. I venture to suggest that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. > IPS has a members-only Workplace (Facebook) group that is an incredible source of conversation, information, events, items for sale (no selling fees), etc. Also a constant insight into latest technology, who?s doing what and how, etc. > But it?s all down to choice and what you feel comfortable with. Only one way to find out! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Mon Feb 12 08:38:14 2024 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:38:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt (was) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My hate of Facebook on one level is that I don?t like the boss, though I have never met him! I am a member of several specialist forums ( fora?) including SpeakEV which covers electric cars, chargers and associated solar stuff. Another one is AVforums which provides reviews of AV ( Audio Visual)and TV products , this one allows free advertising of items for sale and sometimes useful personal communication about specific problems. These both require registration and have moderators to police misuse. I regularly visit an American site of Popular Mechanics particularly to keep up with military items . I do hate their description of anything they think is good as ? Badass? but enjoy their in depth description of various new developments. Whenever you connect with the internet for anything there is a risk of your data being passed on to third parties and being bothered by annoying communications like my weekly phone calls about claims due to my diesel Mercedes ownership?.which I never had. Also calls from uk numbers that are obviously from foreign call centres due to strange accents and background ? call centre? noises. I despise the concept of having hundreds of ? friends? on some of these sites , I can measure the number of real friends I have( defined by how long I could maintain an interesting conversation with) as being less than the number of fingers on my hands! Maybe I am just anti social?..bah humbug. ?? Sent from my iPad > On 12 Feb 2024, at 14:10, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The closed groups are the best end of a bad thing. But even though I have only ever given the skimpiest of personal info - I had to join at one point to read some techie stuff some guy wanted me to review - and shut off every door I could on the privacy stuff... there was a leak. Since I use all sorts of lies in profiles, I can spot them oozing out somewhere else. > > The one thing one cannot trust any of these companies to do is to be honest about how they use your data - whatever they say about your right to privacy, they couldn't actually care a damn. In most cases what they have as data isn't necessarily too risky, but the attempts that AI now make to tie together plausible, but actually incompatible data is scary. > > Fedex have tried to bill me for VAT and customs for an invoice that was sent to a property I haven't been at for over a decade. Their computer systems had a record of my company from the distant past, and decided that an address that included the words "Broadcast Engineering News Bld" (for a delivery that was nothing to do with me) might conceivably be connected with Broadcast Engineering Systems Ltd - so AI makes a plausible leap and connects the two together. Believe me, unravelling that is a continuing saga.... > > But I do have to laugh at those who shun Facebook etc, but happily use a "smart speaker", believing that that doesn't do exactly the same thing. > > Chris Woolf > > > >> On 12/02/2024 13:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Is that based on personal experience or hearsay? ?It?s your choice of course, but I think you are missing out on a number of very interesting TV related Facebook groups. A constant insight into latest technology, who?s doing what and how, etc. You don?t have to disclose anything but the most basic personal info, and you don?t have to have ?friends? other than those you want to keep in touch with. I venture to suggest that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. >> IPS has a members-only Workplace (Facebook) group that is an incredible source of conversation, information, events, items for sale (no selling fees), etc. Also a constant insight into latest technology, who?s doing what and how, etc. >> But it?s all down to choice and what you feel comfortable with. Only one way to find out! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.jasma at sky.com Mon Feb 12 08:55:19 2024 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:55:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt (sort of) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I quoted Nick Ware's post about Rita/Reeta to my wife. Four times a year she produces a newsletter (usually 16-20 pages A4) for the Diocese of Galloway, and receives items from a range of sources including Priests and educational establishments. The former she hasn't any bother with regarding spelling, grammar or punctuation, but the latter always need correcting for any combination of these! Enough said. Actually, during the 1990s, I assisted in producing a newsletter for a local organisation in Harrow (where we lived before moving to Scotland). A new editor took over and made a mess of an edition. I got a phone call one afternoon from one of the members of the organisation, a retired schoolmaster of mine (who had taught me English) saying that he had just received his copy and the errors he had noticed, and that he had thought he had taught me better than that! As it happens, I hadn't assisted on that particular edition, and said so, but as he had taught me in the 1950s, he certainly had a long memory. Dave Buckley From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 12:17:12 2024 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 18:17:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt In-Reply-To: References: <99ECBC0646244E24AEE46B1A150FA612@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Hi Nick I feel the same way as you re the standard of English education these days. This mug is a favourite of mine. It was sent to me by a professional writer friend of mine - she is a successful novelist. I It says a lot, admittedly in somewhat basic English! Geoff F > On 12 Feb 2024, at 12:02, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Nice, but interesting to note that in all probability you are on safe ground posting that here, whereas on Facebook you would almost certainly be met with a barrage of abuse. > On our local ?Community conversations? Facebook group recently, someone mentioned that she is a close friend of Rita [sic] Chakrabati. I asked, was that a spellchecker error, because as a close friend she should know she is actually Reeta (with a smiley wink ? imoji). Several replies to that came from people saying how dare I correct someone?s spelling? The close friend said she is diskectic [sic] and what a horrible person I was to ?poke my nose in, and what business was it of mine?? I realise that English isn?t everyone?s first language, but more and more I wonder if some people ever went to school at all. > What sad times we live in. > I have a 20 month old granddaughter, and I dread to think what the future holds for her. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 12 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Brilliant Chris - give that man a skolership. >> >> Dave Newbitt >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris laptop on GMail via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Treasure Hunt >> Eye halve a spelling chequer >> It came with my pea sea >> It plainly marques four my revue >> Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. >> Eye strike a key and type a word >> And weight four it two say >> Weather eye am wrong oar write >> It shows me strait a weigh >> As soon as a mist ache is maid >> It nose bee fore two long >> And eye can put the error rite >> Its rare lea ever wrong. >> Eye have run this poem threw it >> I am shore your pleased two no >> Its letter perfect awi the weigh >> My chequer tolled me sew. >> >> >> chris Glass >> >> Dislexia rulkes KO >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Ware - sent from my iPad From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Feb 16 16:06:47 2024 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 22:06:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test from my AOL email address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1tijsvmd75a1u7071t42jcvm.1708121207538@pgtmedia.co.uk> That works fine! Paul Thackray ? PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk ? Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 16 February 2024 22:06 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: ware.nick at aol.com Subject: [Tech1] Test from my AOL email address ?My thanks to Paul T for adding this email address to Tech1. The waresound one will now be closed. Cheers to all, Nick. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 17:45:31 2024 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:45:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test from my AOL email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <630f3db2-e7b9-4238-8fb2-4c49f64fbbfa@gmail.com> Wishing you the best of luck. I've had three email addresses here, and all have been flaky as regards sending. But at least most posts seem to arrive to one or another of them. On 16/02/2024 22:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ?My thanks to Paul T for adding this email address to Tech1. The waresound one will now be closed. > Cheers to all, > Nick. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From ware.nick at aol.com Sun Feb 25 17:12:30 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:12:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Just_asking=E2=80=A6?= References: Message-ID: Since my move to AOL, not a single post since Feb 17th. Is there still life out there, or is it just still life? Or indeed, am I still me? Silly word still, too many meanings. But still, it?ll have to do till I find one better, or even another better still. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun Feb 25 17:30:17 2024 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:30:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Just_asking=E2=80=A6?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No emails on either chat or announce in since the 16th! All apeares to be working, just no emails. Paul Paul Thackray ? PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk ? Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 25 February 2024 23:13 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: ware.nick at aol.com Subject: [Tech1] Just asking? Since my move to AOL, not a single post since Feb 17th. Is there still life out there, or is it just still life? Or indeed, am I still me? Silly word still, too many meanings. But still, it?ll have to do till I find one better, or even another better still. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sun Feb 25 17:30:16 2024 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:30:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Just_asking=E2=80=A6?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FF95052-F264-457F-80A7-A46B3D2718F6@mac.com> Still here Nick! Mike G > On 25 Feb 2024, at 23:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Since my move to AOL, not a single post since Feb 17th. Is there still life out there, or is it just still life? Or indeed, am I still me? Silly word still, too many meanings. But still, it?ll have to do till I find one better, or even another better still. > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Feb 25 17:33:17 2024 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 23:33:17 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Just_asking=E2=80=A6?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12C4D028B95C4CD8863135BDDC66A9C7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Maybe it is just a quiet phase Nick - last post I saw was Robin Sutherland's on Feb 17th, 8 days ago. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 11:12 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Just asking? Since my move to AOL, not a single post since Feb 17th. Is there still life out there, or is it just still life? Or indeed, am I still me? Silly word still, too many meanings. But still, it?ll have to do till I find one better, or even another better still. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsnape at talktalk.net Mon Feb 26 01:04:47 2024 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 07:04:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Just_asking=E2=80=A6?= In-Reply-To: <6FF95052-F264-457F-80A7-A46B3D2718F6@mac.com> References: <6FF95052-F264-457F-80A7-A46B3D2718F6@mac.com> Message-ID: <313A2F94-787A-4DB5-946A-437761193723@talktalk.net> Nothing for me either Hugh > On 25 Feb 2024, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Still here Nick! > > Mike G > > >> On 25 Feb 2024, at 23:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Since my move to AOL, not a single post since Feb 17th. Is there still life out there, or is it just still life? Or indeed, am I still me? Silly word still, too many meanings. But still, it?ll have to do till I find one better, or even another better still. >> Cheers, >> N. >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 02:38:36 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 08:38:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soutthend Star Message-ID: Hi all, More a sort of "keep alive" message, as there has been little "traffic" recently: an article form the Southend Star (from Facebook) Your comments welcome! Best regards, Alec -- ===================================== Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com MOD: 07789 561 346 TEL: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Old company car via the old roads from Ilford before the A127 was built let alone Brentwood bypass ? which cut my old school country marathon route!) Walk up the pier and train back down before heading to the Kursal funfair with water slides and a roller coaster. Ah happy days! Mike From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 8:38 AM To: Tech Ops Group Subject: [Tech1] Soutthend Star Hi all, More a sort of "keep alive" message, as there has been little "traffic" recently: an article form the Southend Star (from Facebook) Your comments welcome! Best regards, Alec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Old company car via the old roads from Ilford before the A127 was built let alone Brentwood bypass ? which cut my old school country marathon route!) > Walk up the pier and train back down before heading to the Kursal funfair with water slides and a roller coaster. > Ah happy days! > Mike > From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 8:38 AM > To: Tech Ops Group Subject: [Tech1] Soutthend Star > Hi all, > More a sort of "keep alive" message, as there has been little "traffic" recently: an article form the Southend Star (from Facebook) > Your comments welcome! > Best regards, > Alec > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? Graeme Wall From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon Feb 26 07:23:22 2024 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:23:22 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga Message-ID: <001d01da68b6$fabda4c0$f038ee40$@pgtmedia.co.uk> A much enlarged version of Mike Minchin's 'Forsyte Saga' words and pictures has now been added to the tech ops site. Its split by months with the first page at; http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/forsyte-saga-december-1966/ and links at the top & bottom of pages to the following / previous pages. Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon Feb 26 07:30:31 2024 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:30:31 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-Mail system Tech Ops 'Chat and Announce' Message-ID: <003b01da68b7$fa22cee0$ee686ca0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Just to say I now have access to both Email list management systems If you want to change, add or remove your email address, I can now either approve it, if you do it online or just do it for you if you let me know what needs doing. 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It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. Alan From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 08:27:55 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 14:27:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soutthend Star (Melissa) In-Reply-To: <416CC10B-BA82-45C3-B128-83A2E7EE324A@mac.com> References: <416CC10B-BA82-45C3-B128-83A2E7EE324A@mac.com> Message-ID: I was Grams on 'Melissa' Shot at Riverside, and we never got the last pages of the final episode until the last moment. Warned that unscrupulous journalists would hover outside the studio offering bribes for a spoiler scoop! Pat On 26/02/2024 08:47, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Someone will surely name the cameraman. > > Mike G > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. > > Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. > > If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. > > Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. > > If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. > > Alan > > -- John Nottage From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 09:08:27 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:08:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Piers (was Southend Star) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! That stirs memories. Didn't know Southend pier, but I was born and brought up within a stone's throw of Ryde pier (IoW). It had a diesel tram and also dinky little steam railway (pics attached) My Mum had a great idea to keep this little chap amused during the long summer days - she organised a day to go from our house to the end of Ryde pier, seeing how many different tickets we could collect - bus from house to Ryde Esplanade - tram to Ryde pier Head, with platform ticket for that, then back with the steam train to the next station on the line and bus home. Loved steam trains from that day, so much so that for my 80th Birthday bash, I chartered the Golden Arrow Pullman run by the Bluebell Railway for a dinner party with a difference! Best wishes everyone! Pat H On 26/02/2024 12:04, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Rode on one of these presumably? > > On 26 Feb 2024, at 10:48, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: >> Guess Southend had changed a bit since this card was issued and TV came along! >> We used to travel down to Southend (my dad?s onetime home) regularly back in the 50s. 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Cameraman has his head in viewfinder and his face appears to be obscured by his headset Mike. Also before my time at Kendal Ave. so can?t be much help. Chris Eames On 26 Feb 2024, at 08:48, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? Someone will surely name the cameraman. Mike G On 26 Feb 2024, at 08:39, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi all, More a sort of "keep alive" message, as there has been little "traffic" recently: an article form the Southend Star (from Facebook) Your comments welcome! Best regards, Alec -- ===================================== Alec Bray mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com MOD: 07789 561 346 TEL: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All apeares to be working, just no emails. > > Paul > > > > > Paul Thackray > > > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > +44 7802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > > Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 25 February 2024 23:13 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: ware.nick at aol.com > Subject: [Tech1] Just asking? > > > Since my move to AOL, not a single post since Feb 17th. Is there still life out there, or is it just still life? Or indeed, am I still me? Silly word still, too many meanings. But still, it?ll have to do till I find one better, or even another better still. > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 26 18:13:05 2024 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 00:13:05 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <8575CDCC-1896-412F-9884-02BE439D576A@me.com> References: <8575CDCC-1896-412F-9884-02BE439D576A@me.com> Message-ID: <7FBE16F4120744B6A1014E49B2084626@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. Alan -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. Dave Newbitt. From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 02:40:22 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 08:40:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <7FBE16F4120744B6A1014E49B2084626@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <8575CDCC-1896-412F-9884-02BE439D576A@me.com> <7FBE16F4120744B6A1014E49B2084626@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <56179e54-27fb-4707-8aec-a631d79d014a@gmail.com> I have a remanent fondness for LG 'D'. It was my first studio day, joining crew 2 with Geoff Feld watching over me. The programme was 'Mr. Pastry' and a guest artist was Robert Harbin, a conjurer. My mother knew him as a friend of her family - he used to do close-up 'magic' in their sitting room. I was able to introduce myself and have a chat. Later 'D' was the regular home of Dr Who for many years. Best Pat H On 27/02/2024 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand > that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in > the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the > studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well > have been Violet Carson. > > Dave Newbitt. > From alanaudio at me.com Tue Feb 27 03:09:42 2024 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 09:09:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <963E361FC16A4C43B1CAE751CADD0935@Gigabyte> References: <963E361FC16A4C43B1CAE751CADD0935@Gigabyte> Message-ID: I was intrigued by those lights. As it was at a time when there would have been shortages of many materials, could they have been made from war surplus materials? Otherwise they might have been something left over from the days when it was a movie studio. One of the memorable characters at Kendal Avenue was a vision supervisor called Ralph Parrot. When I knew him, he was close to retirement and occasionally talked about the early days of outside broadcasts. He was a very ingenious man and invented or adapted all manner of devices, often repurposing government surplus equipment. Ralph was briefly mentioned in Nick Gilbey?s interview with Peter Dimmock. who recalled seeing an autocue in the USA, mentioning it to Ralph and then Ralph built one. Another of Ralph?s simpler ideas was a folding band 1 aerial for use on OBs. These were typically made in an H shape, with the elements being just over a metre long, as a result, they were cumbersome and fragile. They didn?t last long when transported around in the camera van and frequently rigged and de-rigged. His version had the elements made of more rugged aluminium and fitted to parallelogram horizontal spacers so that they could be folded upwards and tied to the support pole for transport. When the ties were released, it simply dropped into shape and gravity kep it that way. Do any of the other OB chaps have recollections of Ralph? Last time I enquired about him was four or five years ago and was told that he was believed to be approaching his 100th birthday, but there was no further news of him. Going back to that photograph, what?s with the slinging wire across the middle? It looks like it?s supporting a microphone, but that must have made life a little more interesting for the boom ops. Alan > On 27 Feb 2024, at 08:38, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Love the overhead lighting rigs! Dozens of little car headlamp units? > One HUGE camera. > And just look at the size of the boom mics. > > And of course lots of very smartly dressed staff > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 12:13 AM > To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 > Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old pictures > > This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that > the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of > Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, > seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 03:12:29 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 09:12:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <7FBE16F4120744B6A1014E49B2084626@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <8575CDCC-1896-412F-9884-02BE439D576A@me.com> <7FBE16F4120744B6A1014E49B2084626@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <7cb3214e-569d-4f0c-832f-b82430d21a4e@gmail.com> More about LG 'D' One memory of me making a balls -up. I was SA1 and our crew had a 'split' day, with a lunchtime programme (Table Talk?) then stand down until much later, ready for 'The Sky at Night' I sent the sound crew off for an afternoon's shopping in the Bush market, but hadn't seen a modification to the crewing schedule - we were supposed to attend a lecture/demonstration of 'Dynamic Lifting' designed to avoid crew damage while handling heavy items of kit. So having been hauled over the coals, I was made to attend another session, then give the lecture to my crew - a good way of fixing it in my mind! While it's great to remember moments of excellent performance, I find, now I'm ancient, that it's the goofs that frequently inhabit the memory cells. Maybe a book chapter titled: "Things I would prefer to forget" Overall, the BBC training stood me in good stead when I made it into the film industry, which I had always wanted to do. Best Pat H On 27/02/2024 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand > that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in > the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the > studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well > have been Violet Carson. > > Dave Newbitt. From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Feb 27 03:46:44 2024 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 09:46:44 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <963E361FC16A4C43B1CAE751CADD0935@Gigabyte> References: <8575CDCC-1896-412F-9884-02BE439D576A@me.com> <7FBE16F4120744B6A1014E49B2084626@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <963E361FC16A4C43B1CAE751CADD0935@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <4C1D73F8CB444A51A5BBBAAF4550B883@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Not just the boom mics, looks like a slung AXBT. If so that would have taken some hauling into position. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jordan Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 8:38 AM To: David Newbitt ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old pictures Love the overhead lighting rigs! Dozens of little car headlamp units? One HUGE camera. And just look at the size of the boom mics. And of course lots of very smartly dressed staff Mike -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 12:13 AM To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old pictures This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. Dave Newbitt. From relong at btinternet.com Tue Feb 27 04:54:50 2024 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:54:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <7cb3214e-569d-4f0c-832f-b82430d21a4e@gmail.com> References: <7cb3214e-569d-4f0c-832f-b82430d21a4e@gmail.com> Message-ID: The overhead sling is for an AX BT mic for the pianos But why 2 pianos ? Roger Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Feb 2024, at 10:26, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: > > ?More about LG 'D' > > One memory of me making a balls -up. > I was SA1 and our crew had a 'split' day, with a lunchtime programme (Table Talk?) then stand down until much later, ready for 'The Sky at Night' > > I sent the sound crew off for an afternoon's shopping in the Bush market, but hadn't seen a modification to the crewing schedule - > we were supposed to attend a lecture/demonstration of 'Dynamic Lifting' designed to avoid crew damage while handling heavy items of kit. > > So having been hauled over the coals, I was made to attend another session, then give the lecture to my crew - a good way of fixing it in my mind! > > While it's great to remember moments of excellent performance, I find, now I'm ancient, that it's the goofs that frequently inhabit the > memory cells. > Maybe a book chapter titled: "Things I would prefer to forget" > > Overall, the BBC training stood me in good stead when I made it into the film industry, which I had always wanted to do. > > Best > Pat H > >> On 27/02/2024 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >> >> Dave Newbitt. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ware.nick at aol.com Tue Feb 27 04:58:35 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 10:58:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures References: <13B9BF89-5B9E-4A7E-AC27-817AE074E479.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <13B9BF89-5B9E-4A7E-AC27-817AE074E479@aol.com> ?I?m a bit puzzled here, Pat. I don?t remember you as an SA1, nor a Sound Supervisor. ISTR you saying you were in Tech Ops from 1960 to 1967, and I well remember how one only got promotion if someone above you either left for a job in ITV, or died. (Dead men?s shoes, we used to call it). I joined the Beeb (Crew 2, Frank Wilkins, etc.) in Jan 1960, and was told at a SS interview in Autumn 1979 that I looked too young to be a Sound Supervisor! I left in Jan 1980. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 27 Feb 2024, at 10:26, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: > > ?More about LG 'D' > > One memory of me making a balls -up. > I was SA1 and our crew had a 'split' day, with a lunchtime programme (Table Talk?) then stand down until much later, ready for 'The Sky at Night' > > I sent the sound crew off for an afternoon's shopping in the Bush market, but hadn't seen a modification to the crewing schedule - > we were supposed to attend a lecture/demonstration of 'Dynamic Lifting' designed to avoid crew damage while handling heavy items of kit. > > So having been hauled over the coals, I was made to attend another session, then give the lecture to my crew - a good way of fixing it in my mind! > > While it's great to remember moments of excellent performance, I find, now I'm ancient, that it's the goofs that frequently inhabit the > memory cells. > Maybe a book chapter titled: "Things I would prefer to forget" > > Overall, the BBC training stood me in good stead when I made it into the film industry, which I had always wanted to do. > > Best > Pat H > >> On 27/02/2024 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >> Dave Newbitt. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 05:36:50 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 11:36:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: References: <963E361FC16A4C43B1CAE751CADD0935@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <18253d3f-a0c8-444c-b858-0df3400ee577@gmail.com> Hi all, re: repurposing government surplus equipment ( 27/02/2024 09:09, Alan Taylor ) One surprising use was on the Emmet Railway (or Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Railway) at the Festival Of Britain 1951. The locomotives were constructed to Emett's designs by Harry Barlow of Southport Miniature Railway, using war-surplus Fordson diesel engines driving war-surplus searchlight generatorson a fifteen inch gauge 4-6-2 chassis - so the were really early diesel electric locomotives!!! The chassis were regular 4-6-2 chassis for 15 in gauge - and 4-6-2 is the wheel configuration for British Express steam locomotives! -- ===================================== Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com MOD: 07789 561 346 TEL: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However in many concert halls, cathedrals and churches, there are few alternatives. Slinging something as heavy as an AXBT or any other ribbon mic of that era is not a trivial matter as it could do a lot of damage if it fell. Also interesting to see the chap in the white coat holding onto a lamp stand near the boom. I have seen pictures of engineers wearing white lab coats in the early ( pre war ) days of television. When did this practice cease? Alan From hughsnape at talktalk.net Tue Feb 27 07:23:34 2024 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:23:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <0B480B50-FCDF-49CB-A980-7C0BCB182C06@me.com> References: <0B480B50-FCDF-49CB-A980-7C0BCB182C06@me.com> Message-ID: One of these numbers perhaps . . . https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/10-great-works-for-two-pianos > On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > >> On 27 Feb 2024, at 10:55, Roger Long wrote: >> >> But why 2 pianos ? > > Three pianos if you count the hot spare behind the set, visible to the right of the boom op. That?s an impressive number of pianos for a small studio. > > On closer inspection on a bigger screen, the slung mic is higher than I initially imagined and seems to be clear of the normal boom operation. 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URL: From ware.nick at aol.com Tue Feb 27 07:41:38 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 13:41:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures References: <96F9AC59-C0FE-4DCC-98BB-911084A43FC1.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <96F9AC59-C0FE-4DCC-98BB-911084A43FC1@aol.com> ?Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. Cheers, Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM > To: tech1 > Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures > > As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. > > Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. > > If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. > > Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. > > If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. > > Alan > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 505007 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ware.nick at aol.com Tue Feb 27 09:03:03 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:03:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <96F9AC59-C0FE-4DCC-98BB-911084A43FC1@aol.com> References: <96F9AC59-C0FE-4DCC-98BB-911084A43FC1@aol.com> Message-ID: The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time ago! Cheers, Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: > > ? > ?Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! > But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). > If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. > > > [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] > Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. > Cheers, > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >> To: tech1 >> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >> >> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. >> >> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >> >> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. >> >> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. >> >> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. >> >> Alan >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 616551 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Feb 27 09:26:56 2024 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:26:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B85294B-0F9A-465B-970A-7DEAF157FDF7@me.com> Two things I noticed in that cutting. One, highlighted by my red arrow, was the use of what appears to be one of those hooks on a long stick, often featured in Beano cartoons, to pull performers off stage by their neck if their act is not being well received. The other was muddling up the units in the text - ?? on a wavelength of 45 mega cycles ??. Still, I mustn?t really moan, it was printed light years ago. Alan > On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time ago! > > Cheers, > Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: >>> >> ? >> ?Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! >> But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). >> If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. >> >> [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] >> Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. >> Cheers, >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >>> To: tech1 >>> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >>> >>> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. >>> >>> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >>> >>> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. >>> >>> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. >>> >>> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. 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Of course you could say, that the X-rays were nothing compared to the currently inevitable: ?The following programme contains flashing lights, strong language that some viewers might find offensive, scenes of gratuitous violence, and of a sexually explicit nature?. But, whatever, the mirror idea left lots of cabinet front space for a nice big forward facing loudsperker, so they got their priorities right there, then! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Two things I noticed in that cutting. > > One, highlighted by my red arrow, was the use of what appears to be one of those hooks on a long stick, often featured in Beano cartoons, to pull performers off stage by their neck if their act is not being well received. > > The other was muddling up the units in the text - ?? on a wavelength of 45 mega cycles ??. Still, I mustn?t really moan, it was printed light years ago. > > Alan > > > > >>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time ago! >> >> >> Cheers, >> Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> ?Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! >>> But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). >>> If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. >>> >>> >>> [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] >>> Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>> >>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >>>> To: tech1 >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >>>> >>>> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. >>>> >>>> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >>>> >>>> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. >>>> >>>> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. >>>> >>>> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Feb 27 10:53:17 2024 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:53:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0820E394-B494-4E72-940F-757066EDF8D8@me.com> I?ve always assumed that early TVs had the vertical CRT and a mirror because large CRTs in those days needed to be very long. In a domestic setting, a tall cabinet was more practical than a coffin shaped box. The large cabinets offered plenty of room for a decent sized speaker. It?s also worth bearing in mind that television sound was broadcast at a much higher quality than radio transmissions at that time. In most houses, the TV set was the best apparatus for receiving good quality audio. It was only when FM radios was introduced in the 1950s that radio quality could match or exceed television audio quality. I think I?ve still got a clip somewhere complaining that as the BBC only transmits television programmes for part of the day and relays radio transmissions during the other times, viewers were now becoming aware of the quality limitations of radio transmissions and that they would need to make improvements. Alan > On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?By the way, almost all of those early ?Televisors? had the CRT facing upwards and reflected to the ?lookers-in? via a mirror at 45 degrees. I?ve assumed that this was to save exposing the lookers-in to too much X-ray radiation. What do we think? > Of course you could say, that the X-rays were nothing compared to the currently inevitable: ?The following programme contains flashing lights, strong language that some viewers might find offensive, scenes of gratuitous violence, and of a sexually explicit nature?. > But, whatever, the mirror idea left lots of cabinet front space for a nice big forward facing loudsperker, so they got their priorities right there, then! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Two things I noticed in that cutting. >> >> One, highlighted by my red arrow, was the use of what appears to be one of those hooks on a long stick, often featured in Beano cartoons, to pull performers off stage by their neck if their act is not being well received. >> >> The other was muddling up the units in the text - ?? on a wavelength of 45 mega cycles ??. Still, I mustn?t really moan, it was printed light years ago. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ?The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time ago! >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>> >>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> ?Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! >>>> But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). >>>> If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. >>>> >>>> >>>> [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] >>>> Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >>>>> >>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >>>>> To: tech1 >>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >>>>> >>>>> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. >>>>> >>>>> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >>>>> >>>>> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. >>>>> >>>>> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. >>>>> >>>>> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Feb 27 10:53:24 2024 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:53:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: References: <9B85294B-0F9A-465B-970A-7DEAF157FDF7@me.com> Message-ID: <5025ee93-ce2c-4778-82ef-a55827fa6767@chriswoolf.co.uk> I think the mirrored tube system - sort of short-throw projection - was more to do with the difficulty of making large CRTs. The short-neck, wide deflection rectangular tube didn't really come in till the 1960s, but beefing up the brightness of a narrow-angle deflection tube to make a good projection device, with excellent geometry, only needed a few more kV. Certainly had one of those at home - might have been a Ferranti - and it was pretty good quality - spot-wobble too to remove the line structure. Chris Woolf On 27/02/2024 16:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > By the way, almost all of those early ?Televisors? had the CRT facing > upwards and reflected to the ?lookers-in? via a mirror at 45 degrees. > I?ve assumed that this was to save exposing the lookers-in to too much > X-ray radiation. What do we think? > Of course you could say, that the X-rays were nothing compared to the > currently inevitable: ?The following programme contains flashing > lights, strong language that some viewers might find offensive, scenes > of gratuitous violence, and of a sexually explicit nature?. > But, whatever, the mirror idea left lots of cabinet front space for a > nice big forward facing loudsperker, so they got their priorities > right there, then! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Two things I noticed in that cutting. >> >> One, highlighted by my red arrow, was the use of what appears to be >> one of those hooks on a long stick, often featured in Beano cartoons, >> to pull performers off stage by their neck if their act is not being >> well received. >> >> The other was muddling up the units in the text - ?? on a wavelength >> of 45 mega cycles ??. ?Still, I mustn?t really moan, it was printed >> light years ago. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time >>> ago! >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> ? Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we >>>> weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made >>>> harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography >>>> course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex >>>> or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! >>>> But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 >>>> that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - >>>> I was born in 1942!). >>>> If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but >>>> with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive >>>> amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove >>>> things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant >>>> bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. >>>> >>>> >>>> [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send >>>> separately] >>>> Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens >>>> I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically >>>> corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the >>>> widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely >>>> controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k >>>> HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention >>>> this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored >>>> you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this >>>> time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around >>>> 2.5 MB. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I >>>>> understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was >>>>> in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this >>>>> photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the >>>>> pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >>>>> >>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >>>>> To: tech1 >>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >>>>> >>>>> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection >>>>> of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. ??There have also >>>>> recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops >>>>> group. >>>>> >>>>> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off >>>>> some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech >>>>> Ops site? ?I think that many people would be interested to see >>>>> pics of gear in use and the people who used it. ?It?s also a good >>>>> way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >>>>> >>>>> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time >>>>> to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try >>>>> asking on here. >>>>> >>>>> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of >>>>> Mike?s pictures. ?Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really >>>>> makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was >>>>> going on. >>>>> >>>>> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal >>>>> e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. >>>>> ?Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. ?If you use Apple >>>>> devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge >>>>> files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s >>>>> Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply >>>>> accept the option to send it via Airdrop. ?I didn?t know for sure >>>>> if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file >>>>> of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Feb 27 11:01:03 2024 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:01:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <0820E394-B494-4E72-940F-757066EDF8D8@me.com> References: <0820E394-B494-4E72-940F-757066EDF8D8@me.com> Message-ID: <83913F81-7F6C-4A0E-982C-84A5AB1C2E76@icloud.com> Don?t think it was worries about X-rays, this was the era when shoe shops had x-ray machines to check the fitting of shoes! > On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I?ve always assumed that early TVs had the vertical CRT and a mirror because large CRTs in those days needed to be very long. In a domestic setting, a tall cabinet was more practical than a coffin shaped box. > > The large cabinets offered plenty of room for a decent sized speaker. It?s also worth bearing in mind that television sound was broadcast at a much higher quality than radio transmissions at that time. In most houses, the TV set was the best apparatus for receiving good quality audio. It was only when FM radios was introduced in the 1950s that radio quality could match or exceed television audio quality. > > I think I?ve still got a clip somewhere complaining that as the BBC only transmits television programmes for part of the day and relays radio transmissions during the other times, viewers were now becoming aware of the quality limitations of radio transmissions and that they would need to make improvements. > > Alan > > >> On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?By the way, almost all of those early ?Televisors? had the CRT facing upwards and reflected to the ?lookers-in? via a mirror at 45 degrees. I?ve assumed that this was to save exposing the lookers-in to too much X-ray radiation. What do we think? >> Of course you could say, that the X-rays were nothing compared to the currently inevitable: ?The following programme contains flashing lights, strong language that some viewers might find offensive, scenes of gratuitous violence, and of a sexually explicit nature?. >> But, whatever, the mirror idea left lots of cabinet front space for a nice big forward facing loudsperker, so they got their priorities right there, then! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >> >>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Two things I noticed in that cutting. >>> >>> One, highlighted by my red arrow, was the use of what appears to be one of those hooks on a long stick, often featured in Beano cartoons, to pull performers off stage by their neck if their act is not being well received. >>> >>> The other was muddling up the units in the text - ?? on a wavelength of 45 mega cycles ??. Still, I mustn?t really moan, it was printed light years ago. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time ago! >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ??Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! >>>>> But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). >>>>> If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] >>>>> Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >>>>>> To: tech1 >>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >>>>>> >>>>>> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. >>>>>> >>>>>> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? Graeme Wall From patrick.heigham at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 11:23:52 2024 From: patrick.heigham at gmail.com (PATRICK HEIGHAM) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:23:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <0820E394-B494-4E72-940F-757066EDF8D8@me.com> References: <0820E394-B494-4E72-940F-757066EDF8D8@me.com> Message-ID: <3557b215-3b74-43e9-acb1-707dde1f45b8@gmail.com> I recall a visit to Kingswood Warren to see the first tests of colour TV. The set was a long box, like a sideboard, with a curved mirror, giving a virtual image from an upward pointing CRT. Do you remember early stereo sound transmissions which used radio as one channel and TV audio for the second? We've come a long way in a short time! Pat H On 27/02/2024 16:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I?ve always assumed that early TVs had the vertical CRT and a mirror > because large CRTs in those days needed to be very long. In a domestic > setting, a tall cabinet was more practical than a coffin shaped box. > > The large cabinets offered plenty of room for a decent sized speaker. > ?It?s also worth bearing in mind that television sound was broadcast > at a much higher quality than radio transmissions at that time. In > most houses, the TV set was the best apparatus for receiving good > quality audio. It was only when FM radios was introduced in the 1950s > that radio quality could match or exceed television audio quality. > > I think I?ve still got a clip somewhere complaining that as the BBC > only transmits television programmes for part of the day and relays > radio transmissions during the other times, viewers were now becoming > aware of the quality limitations of radio transmissions and that they > would need to make improvements. > > Alan > > From hughsnape at talktalk.net Tue Feb 27 13:01:55 2024 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:01:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <83913F81-7F6C-4A0E-982C-84A5AB1C2E76@icloud.com> References: <0820E394-B494-4E72-940F-757066EDF8D8@me.com> <83913F81-7F6C-4A0E-982C-84A5AB1C2E76@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5EE41B74-DD2A-47CC-9510-C1170E9485D0@talktalk.net> Yes, my foolish parents regularly let me have a go on those shoe-fitting fluoroscopes, I well remember looking down through the central viewing window whilst the shop assistant and my mother used the ones on either side. None of my friends was indulged in this way, their parents were concerned about X ray exposure . . . > On 27 Feb 2024, at 17:01, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > Don?t think it was worries about X-rays, this was the era when shoe shops had x-ray machines to check the fitting of shoes! > >> On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I?ve always assumed that early TVs had the vertical CRT and a mirror because large CRTs in those days needed to be very long. In a domestic setting, a tall cabinet was more practical than a coffin shaped box. >> >> The large cabinets offered plenty of room for a decent sized speaker. It?s also worth bearing in mind that television sound was broadcast at a much higher quality than radio transmissions at that time. In most houses, the TV set was the best apparatus for receiving good quality audio. It was only when FM radios was introduced in the 1950s that radio quality could match or exceed television audio quality. >> >> I think I?ve still got a clip somewhere complaining that as the BBC only transmits television programmes for part of the day and relays radio transmissions during the other times, viewers were now becoming aware of the quality limitations of radio transmissions and that they would need to make improvements. >> >> Alan >> >> >>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?By the way, almost all of those early ?Televisors? had the CRT facing upwards and reflected to the ?lookers-in? via a mirror at 45 degrees. I?ve assumed that this was to save exposing the lookers-in to too much X-ray radiation. What do we think? >>> Of course you could say, that the X-rays were nothing compared to the currently inevitable: ?The following programme contains flashing lights, strong language that some viewers might find offensive, scenes of gratuitous violence, and of a sexually explicit nature?. >>> But, whatever, the mirror idea left lots of cabinet front space for a nice big forward facing loudsperker, so they got their priorities right there, then! >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Two things I noticed in that cutting. >>>> >>>> One, highlighted by my red arrow, was the use of what appears to be one of those hooks on a long stick, often featured in Beano cartoons, to pull performers off stage by their neck if their act is not being well received. >>>> >>>> The other was muddling up the units in the text - ?? on a wavelength of 45 mega cycles ??. Still, I mustn?t really moan, it was printed light years ago. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time ago! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ??Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! >>>>>> But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). >>>>>> If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] >>>>>> Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >>>>>>> To: tech1 >>>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.beer at talktalk.net Tue Feb 27 13:09:31 2024 From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 20:09:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stereo experiments In-Reply-To: <3557b215-3b74-43e9-acb1-707dde1f45b8@gmail.com> References: <0820E394-B494-4E72-940F-757066EDF8D8@me.com> <3557b215-3b74-43e9-acb1-707dde1f45b8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18e0ac55-f585-4e46-a741-dd599eddb258@talktalk.net> Yes I well remembered setting up our FM radio and TV for those Saturday morning transmissions. Brian Matthews Saturday Club with Ted Heath band I think as well as some dramas. It was a revelation to me how good the sound was in very primative stereo and I loved it. Dave Brer ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On 27 Feb 2024, 18:24, at 18:24, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: >I recall a visit to Kingswood Warren to see the first tests of colour >TV. > >The set was a long box, like a sideboard, with a curved mirror, giving >a >virtual image from an upward pointing CRT. > >Do you remember early stereo sound transmissions which used radio as >one >channel and TV audio for the second? > >We've come a long way in a short time! > >Pat H > >On 27/02/2024 16:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I?ve always assumed that early TVs had the vertical CRT and a mirror >> because large CRTs in those days needed to be very long. In a >domestic >> setting, a tall cabinet was more practical than a coffin shaped box. >> >> The large cabinets offered plenty of room for a decent sized speaker. > >> ?It?s also worth bearing in mind that television sound was broadcast >> at a much higher quality than radio transmissions at that time. In >> most houses, the TV set was the best apparatus for receiving good >> quality audio. It was only when FM radios was introduced in the 1950s > >> that radio quality could match or exceed television audio quality. >> >> I think I?ve still got a clip somewhere complaining that as the BBC >> only transmits television programmes for part of the day and relays >> radio transmissions during the other times, viewers were now becoming > >> aware of the quality limitations of radio transmissions and that they > >> would need to make improvements. >> >> Alan >> >> > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ware.nick at aol.com Tue Feb 27 13:10:09 2024 From: ware.nick at aol.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:10:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <5EE41B74-DD2A-47CC-9510-C1170E9485D0@talktalk.net> References: <5EE41B74-DD2A-47CC-9510-C1170E9485D0@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <8D8DB66E-7DC6-4FA8-BDC2-6CCABC70EB67@aol.com> That?s interesting, neither Hugh?s or Graeme?s or Alan?s messages (below) came to me. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 27 Feb 2024, at 19:02, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Yes, my foolish parents regularly let me have a go on those shoe-fitting fluoroscopes, I well remember looking down through the central viewing window whilst the shop assistant and my mother used the ones on either side. > > None of my friends was indulged in this way, their parents were concerned about X ray exposure . . . > >> On 27 Feb 2024, at 17:01, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Don?t think it was worries about X-rays, this was the era when shoe shops had x-ray machines to check the fitting of shoes! >> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I?ve always assumed that early TVs had the vertical CRT and a mirror because large CRTs in those days needed to be very long. In a domestic setting, a tall cabinet was more practical than a coffin shaped box. >>> >>> The large cabinets offered plenty of room for a decent sized speaker. It?s also worth bearing in mind that television sound was broadcast at a much higher quality than radio transmissions at that time. In most houses, the TV set was the best apparatus for receiving good quality audio. It was only when FM radios was introduced in the 1950s that radio quality could match or exceed television audio quality. >>> >>> I think I?ve still got a clip somewhere complaining that as the BBC only transmits television programmes for part of the day and relays radio transmissions during the other times, viewers were now becoming aware of the quality limitations of radio transmissions and that they would need to make improvements. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?By the way, almost all of those early ?Televisors? had the CRT facing upwards and reflected to the ?lookers-in? via a mirror at 45 degrees. I?ve assumed that this was to save exposing the lookers-in to too much X-ray radiation. What do we think? >>>> Of course you could say, that the X-rays were nothing compared to the currently inevitable: ?The following programme contains flashing lights, strong language that some viewers might find offensive, scenes of gratuitous violence, and of a sexually explicit nature?. >>>> But, whatever, the mirror idea left lots of cabinet front space for a nice big forward facing loudsperker, so they got their priorities right there, then! >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick. >>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Two things I noticed in that cutting. >>>>> >>>>> One, highlighted by my red arrow, was the use of what appears to be one of those hooks on a long stick, often featured in Beano cartoons, to pull performers off stage by their neck if their act is not being well received. >>>>> >>>>> The other was muddling up the units in the text - ?? on a wavelength of 45 mega cycles ??. Still, I mustn?t really moan, it was printed light years ago. >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time ago! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ??Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! >>>>>>> But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). >>>>>>> If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] >>>>>>> Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >>>>>>>> To: tech1 >>>>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Tue Feb 27 13:16:39 2024 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:16:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <7FBE16F4120744B6A1014E49B2084626@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <8575CDCC-1896-412F-9884-02BE439D576A@me.com> <7FBE16F4120744B6A1014E49B2084626@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: The camera crane (Vinten?) reminds me of the tale of the guy who responded to the steering failing during a live show by lifting the back end to steer it! Having tracked one on many occasions in Bristol, I know how heavy they were, especially with the other assistant sitting on the side. I can?t recall who the Tarzan was, or where it happened. That crane made the slight slope in the Bristol Studio A floor all the more noticeable ~ I once had to make a track across the diagonal of the studio take about five minutes, whilst an actor delivered a monologue, starting on a very wide shot and ending with a BCU. Going up the slope made life easier really, because the crane didn?t gain much momentum ~ the main difficulty was maintaining the same tracking speed after reaching level floor about half way across. Mike G > On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM > To: tech1 > Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures > > As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. > > Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. > > If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. > > Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. > > If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. > > Alan > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Tue Feb 27 14:42:56 2024 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 20:42:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: <5EE41B74-DD2A-47CC-9510-C1170E9485D0@talktalk.net> References: <5EE41B74-DD2A-47CC-9510-C1170E9485D0@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <3A400B93-59CA-4909-842F-BF1343BC5DD9@sky.com> Our first TV when I suppose I was around ten was a rented Philips. It was a projection tv with a flexible screen, a very large cabinet and a vertical projector up to a mirror and then onto the screen. I think it took and age to warm up and I seem to remember a bluish glow from inside the cabinet. Needless to say the picture quality was awful. My parents rented it and as it seemed to be the only tv in our street I remember all the local kids coming round to watch the coronation. Sent from my iPad > On 27 Feb 2024, at 19:02, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Yes, my foolish parents regularly let me have a go on those shoe-fitting fluoroscopes, I well remember looking down through the central viewing window whilst the shop assistant and my mother used the ones on either side. > > None of my friends was indulged in this way, their parents were concerned about X ray exposure . . . > >> On 27 Feb 2024, at 17:01, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Don?t think it was worries about X-rays, this was the era when shoe shops had x-ray machines to check the fitting of shoes! >> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I?ve always assumed that early TVs had the vertical CRT and a mirror because large CRTs in those days needed to be very long. In a domestic setting, a tall cabinet was more practical than a coffin shaped box. >>> >>> The large cabinets offered plenty of room for a decent sized speaker. It?s also worth bearing in mind that television sound was broadcast at a much higher quality than radio transmissions at that time. In most houses, the TV set was the best apparatus for receiving good quality audio. It was only when FM radios was introduced in the 1950s that radio quality could match or exceed television audio quality. >>> >>> I think I?ve still got a clip somewhere complaining that as the BBC only transmits television programmes for part of the day and relays radio transmissions during the other times, viewers were now becoming aware of the quality limitations of radio transmissions and that they would need to make improvements. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 16:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?By the way, almost all of those early ?Televisors? had the CRT facing upwards and reflected to the ?lookers-in? via a mirror at 45 degrees. I?ve assumed that this was to save exposing the lookers-in to too much X-ray radiation. What do we think? >>>> Of course you could say, that the X-rays were nothing compared to the currently inevitable: ?The following programme contains flashing lights, strong language that some viewers might find offensive, scenes of gratuitous violence, and of a sexually explicit nature?. >>>> But, whatever, the mirror idea left lots of cabinet front space for a nice big forward facing loudsperker, so they got their priorities right there, then! >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick. >>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Two things I noticed in that cutting. >>>>> >>>>> One, highlighted by my red arrow, was the use of what appears to be one of those hooks on a long stick, often featured in Beano cartoons, to pull performers off stage by their neck if their act is not being well received. >>>>> >>>>> The other was muddling up the units in the text - ?? on a wavelength of 45 mega cycles ??. Still, I mustn?t really moan, it was printed light years ago. >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?The second picture. Not clear but, hey, it was printed a long time ago! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Nick.Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 13:41, Nick Ware wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ??Sadly, I don?t have any pictures to show - mainly because we weren?t actually supposed to take pictures in the studios. Made harder by the fact that coming from an Art School photography course, I was obsessed with 120 roll film (6x6cm) either Rolleiflex or Hasselblad, so it would have been a bit obvious what I was doing! >>>>>>> But I do have this Practical Mechanics magazine from February 1937 that I?ve picked up somewhere along the way. (No I?m not that old - I was born in 1942!). >>>>>>> If I scan these pix, the letterpress dot matrix strobes badly, but with my latest camera, a Sony (E-series) A6700, there?s a massive amount of built-in AI that can automatically detect and remove things like that. Unfortunately, I haven?t yet found the relevant bit in the 600 page instruction manual to enable that feature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [second pic deleted as maybe too big for email system, will send separately] >>>>>>> Pix taken with 50mm f1.8 lens which is easily the sharpest lens I?ve ever owned, and the AI recognises each lens and automatically corrects for any pincushion or barrel distortion, even for the widest angle lenses, and all of the camera?s features are remotely controllable from an iPad app. Oh, and it can, of course, shoot 4k HD video continuously onto max 1TB internal SD card! I only mention this to show how far we?ve come since 1937! I hope I haven?t bored you with these pix before, and if I did, they should be better this time. Originals were 18MB jpg?s that I?ve down-converted to around 2.5 MB. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2024, at 00:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. I understand that the first LG studio production from Studio D was in May 1950 in the shape of Wilfred Pickles. He is obvious in this photo of the studio from above, seated centre right whilst the pianist may well have been Violet Carson. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 2:22 PM >>>>>>>> To: tech1 >>>>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As has recently been announced, Mike Minchin?s amazing collection of Forsyte Saga picture are now on the site. There have also recently been comments about the lack of activity on the Tech Ops group. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Instead of watching tumbleweed blow past, how about dusting off some of your own pictures so that they can be added to the Tech Ops site? I think that many people would be interested to see pics of gear in use and the people who used it. It?s also a good way to preserve these pictures for the longer term. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you?ve got pictures or movies, but don?t have the means or time to digitise them, there might well be others who can help. Try asking on here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don?t imagine that you have to match the quality or quantity of Mike?s pictures. Snapshots are just as welcome, but what really makes a big difference is a bit of context, explaining what was going on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have got large files, or collections too big for normal e-Mail attachment, we can provide links to upload files directly. Obviously services like Drop-Box work well too. If you use Apple devices and have an iCloud account, you can simply email huge files to anybody else in the way you normally do using Apple?s Mail app, but when it warns you that the file is too big, simply accept the option to send it via Airdrop. I didn?t know for sure if it worked to other computers, but this morning sent a 28MB file of the Forsyte collection to Paul?s PC and it worked well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From apts at apts.org.uk Tue Feb 27 14:53:19 2024 From: apts at apts.org.uk (apts at apts.org.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 20:53:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old pictures In-Reply-To: References: <963E361FC16A4C43B1CAE751CADD0935@Gigabyte>, Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Campbell and were referred to as ?Camolights?. > Here are a few photographs from the Desmond Campbell archive of the lights on their rig in position and lowered to the studio floor. > > Best regards > > Simon > > Simon Vaughan > Archivist > for and on behalf of > Alexandra Palace Television Society > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mob: +44 (0)7791 780882 > Email: apts at apts.org.uk > Twitter: https://twitter.com/APTSArchive > Web: www.apts.org.uk > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On 27/02/2024, 08:38, "Tech1" wrote: > > Love the overhead lighting rigs! Dozens of little car headlamp units? > One HUGE camera. > And just look at the size of the boom mics. > > And of course lots of very smartly dressed staff > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Newbitt via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 12:13 AM > To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 > Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old pictures > > This photo isn't mine but it may be of historic interest. 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I am just reading this interesting book - well almost all interesting but got a bit lost in loads of "percentage viewers" items The cover does however have a nice pic of an old TV and the picture section of the cover is all lined like 30 line TV without the switch to wobble the lines - "Spot wobble" Mike Jordan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Entertaining the Nation cover_s.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 546042 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Wed Feb 28 05:25:40 2024 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 11:25:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] stereo radio experiments; colour TV experiments and old photos References: <7e2ca8bf-5f50-4fc4-bed3-698084c23900.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <7e2ca8bf-5f50-4fc4-bed3-698084c23900@sky.com> I remember setting up two radios for stereo experiments, usually on a Saturday morning, with one leg being the light programme and other the third programme. However, how many members remember a quad sound experiment about 1973/4, which went out about 11pm one evening. The idea was that you set up two FM receivers and four speakers in four corners of a room and sat in the middle to get the best effect. At the time, I had an Armstrong Tuner/amp and a set of good speakers. I borrowed my parents Tanberg tuner/amp which had the same make of speakers and set them up in my front room. One of my colleagues from TV Training joined me for the experiment. There were various items, but probably the best one was a recording made in the Royal Albert Hall. With the back speakers off, the stereo was excellent. Turning the back speakers on, gave an ambience and made you feel that you really were in the RAH. Afterwards, I sent in comments, and remember pointing out that no-where in the set-up instructions was mentioned that the back and front speakers had to be in phase! Changing the subject to colour TV experiments, probably in the late 50s/early 60s I used to watch the 405/NTSC colour test transmissions. I think I have saw nearly all of 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon' which was one of the films used, during a week of tests (which went out in the afternoons). To finish with, some photos of TV Training setting up in the Music studio for one of the Elstree open days, where TV Training had a 'fly like Superman' display where the public could have their 'flight' recorded onto a short VHS tape. It was the most popular exhibit and was setup for the four or so open days that were run at Elstree over the years. 1. The late Ed Boyce testing out the setup. The camera was routed through a Sony vision mixer for the BG, flying through New York, to be inserted from a local VT. 2. Wide shot of the setup. 3. Alan Davies, one of TV Trainings engineers, trying his hand at the 'read the news' set-up. 4. 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Hugh On 28/02/2024 11:25, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > I remember setting up two radios for stereo experiments, usually on a > Saturday morning, with one leg being the light programme and other the > third programme. However, how many members remember a quad sound > experiment about 1973/4, which went out about 11pm one evening. > > The idea was that you set up two FM receivers and four speakers in > four corners of a room and sat in the middle to get the best effect. > > At the time, I had an Armstrong Tuner/amp and a set of good speakers. > I borrowed my parents Tanberg tuner/amp which had the same make of > speakers and set them up in my front room. One of my colleagues from > TV Training joined me for the experiment. > > There were various items, but probably the best one was a recording > made in the Royal Albert Hall. With the back speakers off, the stereo > was excellent. Turning the back speakers on, gave an ambience and made > you feel that you really were in the RAH. > > Afterwards, I sent in comments, and remember pointing out that > no-where in the set-up instructions was mentioned that the back and > front speakers had to be in phase! > > Changing the subject to colour TV experiments, probably in the late > 50s/early 60s I used to watch the 405/NTSC colour test transmissions. > I think I have saw nearly all of 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon' which was > one of the films used, during a week of tests (which went out in the > afternoons). > > To finish with, some photos of TV Training setting up in the Music > studio for one of the Elstree open days, where TV Training had a 'fly > like Superman' display where the public could? have their 'flight' > recorded onto a short VHS tape. It was the most popular exhibit and > was setup for the four or so open days that were run at Elstree over > the years. > > 1. The late Ed Boyce testing out the setup. The camera was routed > through a Sony vision mixer for the BG, flying through New York, to be > inserted from a local VT. > 2. Wide shot of the setup. > 3. Alan Davies, one of TV Trainings engineers, trying his hand at the > 'read the news' set-up. > 4. One of my neighbour's daughters flying, with me just in the right > of the picture. > > (I have no objection to the photos being added to website). > > Dave Buckley > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Wed Feb 28 06:15:16 2024 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:15:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] stereo radio experiments; colour TV experiments and old photos In-Reply-To: <7e2ca8bf-5f50-4fc4-bed3-698084c23900@sky.com> References: <7e2ca8bf-5f50-4fc4-bed3-698084c23900.ref@sky.com> <7e2ca8bf-5f50-4fc4-bed3-698084c23900@sky.com> Message-ID: Dave, I was interested to hear of the Elstree set up, which you say was in the music studio. I've been writing some 'sound history' and have covered the change over to the BBC in 1984/5 after ATV were forced out of Elstree. The ATV 'band room' was used for pre-recording the band for the Muppets regularly and it was linked to the Neve in Studio D when doing that.? Did the BBC make much use of it? David T On 28 Feb 2024, 11:26, at 11:26, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >I remember setting up two radios for stereo experiments, usually on a >Saturday morning, with one leg being the light programme and other the >third programme. However, how many members remember a quad sound >experiment about 1973/4, which went out about 11pm one evening. > >The idea was that you set up two FM receivers and four speakers in four > >corners of a room and sat in the middle to get the best effect. > >At the time, I had an Armstrong Tuner/amp and a set of good speakers. I > >borrowed my parents Tanberg tuner/amp which had the same make of >speakers and set them up in my front room. One of my colleagues from TV > >Training joined me for the experiment. > >There were various items, but probably the best one was a recording >made >in the Royal Albert Hall. With the back speakers off, the stereo was >excellent. Turning the back speakers on, gave an ambience and made you >feel that you really were in the RAH. > >Afterwards, I sent in comments, and remember pointing out that no-where > >in the set-up instructions was mentioned that the back and front >speakers had to be in phase! > >Changing the subject to colour TV experiments, probably in the late >50s/early 60s I used to watch the 405/NTSC colour test transmissions. I > >think I have saw nearly all of 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon' which was one > >of the films used, during a week of tests (which went out in the >afternoons). > >To finish with, some photos of TV Training setting up in the Music >studio for one of the Elstree open days, where TV Training had a 'fly >like Superman' display where the public could have their 'flight' >recorded onto a short VHS tape. It was the most popular exhibit and was > >setup for the four or so open days that were run at Elstree over the >years. > >1. The late Ed Boyce testing out the setup. 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Hugh > On 28 Feb 2024, at 13:29, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > BBC channels can and do some 5.1. > > As far as I am aware, details of what is 5.1 is not published in any listing (!) > > New Year's Day Concert (but not the revised repeat) Proms, some sport , Eurovision etc are all in 5.1 if you have the kit. > Channel 4 do some 5.1. ITV can not do it on any shows. > BT Sport did (so I asume TNT Sports) do quite a bit of both 5.1 and DOLBY Atmos. Champions League, English Premier etc. > > Quite a few international things (like Champions League) Have 5.1 or Atmos as a delivery requirement on all matches. > > Lots of sky sports and sky films are 5.1 or Atmos I belive. > > Paul Thackray > > > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > +44 7802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 28 February 2024 12:00 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: hughsheppard at btinternet.com > Subject: Re: [Tech1] stereo radio experiments; colour TV experiments and old photos > > Would someone blessed with such knowledgable audio memories please bring me and t'others up to date about 'surround sound' on Beeb TV channels? Is it still really enhanced stereo, or 5: 1 or 7: 1 or what? And how about wire-less rear speakers in combination with a sound bar; would that provide extra ambience - preferably without a bass woofer? > > Hugh > > On 28/02/2024 11:25, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >> I remember setting up two radios for stereo experiments, usually on a Saturday morning, with one leg being the light programme and other the third programme. However, how many members remember a quad sound experiment about 1973/4, which went out about 11pm one evening. >> >> The idea was that you set up two FM receivers and four speakers in four corners of a room and sat in the middle to get the best effect. >> >> At the time, I had an Armstrong Tuner/amp and a set of good speakers. I borrowed my parents Tanberg tuner/amp which had the same make of speakers and set them up in my front room. One of my colleagues from TV Training joined me for the experiment. >> >> There were various items, but probably the best one was a recording made in the Royal Albert Hall. With the back speakers off, the stereo was excellent. Turning the back speakers on, gave an ambience and made you feel that you really were in the RAH. >> >> Afterwards, I sent in comments, and remember pointing out that no-where in the set-up instructions was mentioned that the back and front speakers had to be in phase! >> >> Changing the subject to colour TV experiments, probably in the late 50s/early 60s I used to watch the 405/NTSC colour test transmissions. I think I have saw nearly all of 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon' which was one of the films used, during a week of tests (which went out in the afternoons). >> >> To finish with, some photos of TV Training setting up in the Music studio for one of the Elstree open days, where TV Training had a 'fly like Superman' display where the public could have their 'flight' recorded onto a short VHS tape. It was the most popular exhibit and was setup for the four or so open days that were run at Elstree over the years. >> >> 1. The late Ed Boyce testing out the setup. The camera was routed through a Sony vision mixer for the BG, flying through New York, to be inserted from a local VT. >> 2. Wide shot of the setup. >> 3. Alan Davies, one of TV Trainings engineers, trying his hand at the 'read the news' set-up. >> 4. One of my neighbour's daughters flying, with me just in the right of the picture. >> >> (I have no objection to the photos being added to website). >> >> Dave Buckley >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Wed Feb 28 09:10:27 2024 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 15:10:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Memorabilia Message-ID: <44BA1ECA-1E98-4464-937F-E3EDD26258CF@vincent68.plus.com> Good to see normal service is getting back to normal. Thanks to Paul and co? My post about Traitors morphing into Freeview reception. Pat repeating his 80th birthday on the Bluebell Line. Although we are long overdue a repeat of his story about doing a white balance on the Producers knickers! A new thread. Memorabilia. Things we were given (or stole) from programmes we worked on. I?ll start with a gift from one of the nicest people I worked with, Bob Monkhouse. At the end of a run of Bobs Full House (4 programmes a day for a fortnight) he gave us personalised plates made by his wife (an accomplished potter) John V -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Our pretty lady producer/director, with whom we had worked many times, pipes up: "I've got white panties on!" and obligingly dropped her jeans and bent over for the cameraman to focus on her delightful rear! On 28/02/2024 15:10, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > Good to see normal service is getting back to normal. > > Thanks to Paul and co? > > My post about Traitors morphing into Freeview reception. > > Pat repeating his 80th birthday on the Bluebell Line. Although we are long overdue a repeat of his story about doing a white balance on the Producers knickers! > > A new thread. Memorabilia. Things we were given (or stole) from programmes we worked on. > > I?ll start with a gift from one of the nicest people I worked with, Bob Monkhouse. > > At the end of a run of Bobs Full House (4 programmes a day for a fortnight) he gave us personalised plates made by his wife (an accomplished potter) > > John V > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, N. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 28 Feb 2024, at 16:26, PATRICK HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: > ? > For John V > > Here's a repeat of the story: > > Norway > > I have a fond memory of Oslo - working for ABC New York, we needed a B-Roll pretty shot of the city - leaving the car at the parking place we trudged up the hill to the viewpoint. > As the light was dying and getting redder, cameraman needed to re-white balance. I normally kept the white card in my SQN pocket, but it had been left in the car - no time to go and retrieve it. > Our pretty lady producer/director, with whom we had worked many times, pipes up: > "I've got white panties on!" and obligingly dropped her jeans and bent over for the cameraman to focus on her delightful rear! > > On 28/02/2024 15:10, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: >> Good to see normal service is getting back to normal. >> >> Thanks to Paul and co? >> >> My post about Traitors morphing into Freeview reception. >> >> Pat repeating his 80th birthday on the Bluebell Line. Although we are long overdue a repeat of his story about doing a white balance on the Producers knickers! >> >> A new thread. Memorabilia. Things we were given (or stole) from programmes we worked on. >> >> I?ll start with a gift from one of the nicest people I worked with, Bob Monkhouse. >> >> At the end of a run of Bobs Full House (4 programmes a day for a fortnight) he gave us personalised plates made by his wife (an accomplished potter) >> >> John V >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Wed Feb 28 17:21:21 2024 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 23:21:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Photos Message-ID: <7CAE7578-225B-475D-BC81-35834C061F2B@me.com> Here are three photos culled from 'Guests of the Nation? directed by Donald McWhinnie in the early 1980s. The Play was set in 1921 Southern Ireland, two English soldiers being held hostage by Irish Nationalists in a small Irish cottage. Despite friendly relations developing they were threatened with execution should the British execute two of their Nationalist prisoners. Timothy Spall, hardly twenty, was one of the Englishmen. Light weight Ikegamis, having infiltrated the TVC, gave Donald the idea of surrounding the cottage with earth and turf completely covering the floor of TV7. It was shot entirely on two Ikegamis mounted on tripods. As always with Donald it was an enjoyable shoot, but not without its problems. John Dailley checking with Donald Ken Webb inside the cottage Me being observed by Donald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: John:2:IMG_4280.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 908374 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Geoff F > On 28 Feb 2024, at 23:21, Garth Tucker via Tech1 > wrote: > > Here are three photos culled from 'Guests of the Nation? directed by Donald McWhinnie in the early 1980s. > > The Play was set in 1921 Southern Ireland, two English soldiers being held hostage by Irish Nationalists in a small Irish cottage. Despite friendly relations developing they were threatened with execution should the British execute two of their Nationalist prisoners. Timothy Spall, hardly twenty, was one of the Englishmen. Light weight Ikegamis, having infiltrated the TVC, gave Donald the idea of surrounding the cottage with earth and turf completely covering the floor of TV7. It was shot entirely on two Ikegamis mounted on tripods. 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The BBC Promo says: *'Anna Karenina* Claire Bloom is Anna and, in a rare early TV performance, Sir Sean Connery is Vronsky in this 1961 adaptation of Tolstoy?s classic tale of doomed romance. Long thought lost, this feature length version was found in the vaults just a few years ago and hasn?t been shown on the BBC since original transmission.' From the tech-ops history site I'm reminded of saying: /'No monitors for the Mole then - in 1961 - so everything down to the tracker (who's name I can't recall) and me putting ourselves in Laurie's shoes - or into his viewfinder'. /And what lives on, as if only yesterday, was that on the as-live transmission days, Laurie gave us not one inflexion of the hand that said 'You've not quite put me in the right place'. As to the version 'found in the vaults'; in the early '80s at Brentford, and with thanks to the Head of Library, Anne Hanford, I'd found the cans of 35mm telerecordings in something of a muddle. Somehow we wangled a transfer to VHS - probably still here in a cupboard somewhere - but it came back out of order and the quality was well, VHS...? So would it have been those same telerecordings that were re-mastered for the high-quality video copy shown yesterday?? And how's it done, with no obvious line-structure?? I think we should be told! Thanks for that Beeb; still coming up trumps on occasions, even after 30 years of retirement.? It's said to be there on iPlayer, for another 29 days. Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 29 11:59:26 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 17:59:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Anna Karenina restored In-Reply-To: <70f86c14-3957-4a43-ba3f-6c77542b9192@btinternet.com> References: <70f86c14-3957-4a43-ba3f-6c77542b9192@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Hugh - what a treat! The quality certainly looks exceptionally good (at least on the PC!) . It certainly makes the case that TV, especially before HD, was a close-up medium - oh oh you were swinging the Mole! Best regards Alec Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections... On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, 10:02 Hugh Sheppard via Tech1, wrote: > Just noticed in time, last night's reprise of Rudy Cartier's 'Anna > Karenina' of 1961, intro'd by Claire Bloom - who starred with Sean Connery > - was a very rare treat. Especially for me, as Laurie Duley's mole-crane > bucket-swinger on the 2 days of recording onto film. Was anyone else who > shares these tech-ops email exchanges there in TC3 too, I wonder? > > The BBC Promo says: > > *'Anna Karenina* > > Claire Bloom is Anna and, in a rare early TV performance, Sir Sean Connery > is Vronsky in this 1961 adaptation of Tolstoy?s classic tale of doomed > romance. Long thought lost, this feature length version was found in the > vaults just a few years ago and hasn?t been shown on the BBC since original > transmission.' > > From the tech-ops history site I'm reminded of saying: *'No monitors for > the Mole then - in 1961 - so everything down to the tracker (who's name I > can't recall) and me putting ourselves in Laurie's shoes - or into his > viewfinder'. *And what lives on, as if only yesterday, was that on the > as-live transmission days, Laurie gave us not one inflexion of the hand > that said 'You've not quite put me in the right place'. > > As to the version 'found in the vaults'; in the early '80s at Brentford, > and with thanks to the Head of Library, Anne Hanford, I'd found the cans of > 35mm telerecordings in something of a muddle. Somehow we wangled a transfer > to VHS - probably still here in a cupboard somewhere - but it came back out > of order and the quality was well, VHS... 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URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Feb 29 14:22:39 2024 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:22:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lincolnshire tv museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4PrZAe1CfCgCKj4qyke72Wo2WGB0YjneMpwXUdxm06pnPjxrRCHr8ZMobwakckl0JnUdyX5lsgEzIgWesl475hWdpXtibxZQ3xH34JwtOuY=@protonmail.com> Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. On Tuesday, 27 February 2024 at 21:51, techtone wrote: > Here's one I've been completely unaware of, but was recently asked if I knew of/had been there? Anyone here been there or know how extensive it's collection is with respect to those early days? > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-68369600 > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 29 14:31:08 2024 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 20:31:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lincolnshire tv museum In-Reply-To: <4PrZAe1CfCgCKj4qyke72Wo2WGB0YjneMpwXUdxm06pnPjxrRCHr8ZMobwakckl0JnUdyX5lsgEzIgWesl475hWdpXtibxZQ3xH34JwtOuY=@protonmail.com> References: <4PrZAe1CfCgCKj4qyke72Wo2WGB0YjneMpwXUdxm06pnPjxrRCHr8ZMobwakckl0JnUdyX5lsgEzIgWesl475hWdpXtibxZQ3xH34JwtOuY=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: Interestingly enough, Tony, I have contacted them - they are very concerned to show how things used to be done with the equipment that they maintain . I have told them about Tech Ops and whether there is some synergy between us. We might share links in the first instance. Best regards Alec Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections... On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, 20:23 techtone via Tech1, wrote: > > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > On Tuesday, 27 February 2024 at 21:51, techtone > wrote: > > Here's one I've been completely unaware of, but was recently asked if I > knew of/had been there? Anyone here been there or know how extensive it's > collection is with respect to those early days? > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-68369600 > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsnape at talktalk.net Thu Feb 29 16:50:36 2024 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 22:50:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] How to be a cameraman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gosh what a fascinating period piece, rather stern presentation and everyone looks a bit fed up, Cigarettes, and holders, to the fore ! Hugh S > On 29 Feb 2024, at 19:42, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: > > This may be of interest for those of you still working in black and white. Lots of cigarettes too! Apologies if you have seen it before. > tech-ops.co.uk > > tech-ops.co.uk > Sent from my iPad > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Thu Feb 29 17:02:37 2024 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 23:02:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] How to be a cameraman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8538E337-C73F-4354-9D8B-750CB33BDD85@sky.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Thu Feb 29 17:16:12 2024 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 23:16:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Granadas lighting video sorry about the fags again! References: <4D4E8767-F5F7-48CE-88F2-95DB20A9C795.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <4D4E8767-F5F7-48CE-88F2-95DB20A9C795@sky.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: preview.png Type: image/png Size: 24973 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hughsnape at talktalk.net Thu Feb 29 17:39:04 2024 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 23:39:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Granadas lighting video sorry about the fags again! In-Reply-To: <4D4E8767-F5F7-48CE-88F2-95DB20A9C795@sky.com> References: <4D4E8767-F5F7-48CE-88F2-95DB20A9C795.ref@sky.com> <4D4E8767-F5F7-48CE-88F2-95DB20A9C795@sky.com> Message-ID: Mmm, another period piece, this one beginning with plenty of grumbles about the poor old booms; ?twas ever thus! > On 29 Feb 2024, at 23:16, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: > > > tech-ops.co.uk > tech-ops.co.uk > Sent from my iPad > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: