From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Sep  1 02:18:39 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 08:18:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <01E09DA3-A13D-4D2D-9FC2-05CCD57FE03B@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <vfwq83IkbEZY4aGvaW2Cj63RghnpjvnRBcCeFBZMocUCtlLSAHlaWNICigMbcxCNli4b8T3lKWbU9EE7Da2spSjJN-oqBPUUjueUv8bMbYk=@protonmail.com>
	<01E09DA3-A13D-4D2D-9FC2-05CCD57FE03B@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5BDB8FE2-EC40-4A22-9788-56B88FC62AB4@icloud.com>

I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.

> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address  - Janis and Peter Goldring.
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list with admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>> 
>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> 
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email. 
>> 
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Tony,
>>> You wrote:
>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own computer company, and asked him for
>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. He's looked at the website and
>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info on the email side of things.
>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from past emails so's he can
>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being able to administer it..."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed that there have been some new posts
>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provision in his will to keep the web site alive
>>> for some time (the admin for this site is officially Alan Taylor nowadays) . 
>>> 
>>> The problem, AFAIK, is to do with the mail handler (which is quite a separate application) and Bernie never talked with/to me
>>> about that - it was very much his domain. Paul Thackray and I have also been chatting about trying to
>>> remedy the mail system. To try to sort it out I/we, for example, would need administrative access to
>>> the mail handler (and access to the passwords), so basically I/we would need to be invited to help. I was
>>> not going to do anything until after Bernie has been laid to rest.
>>> 
>>> I, like you and many others, would be very pleased if people could help with sorting out the mail system, but I would counsel
>>> against taking precipitative action.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile - it seems as if the archive system is sort of working, although Paul has noticed some emails
>>> have been missed: the archive lives here:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/
>>> and it was through the archive that I found your email and the replies to your email - I NEVER got it through the regular tech ops email system.
>>> I hope that this makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Very best regards,
>>> 
>>> Alec
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> =====================================
>>> 
>>> Alec Bray
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> MOD: 07789 561 346
>>> TEL: 0118 981 7502
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Sep  1 02:28:35 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 08:28:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <5BDB8FE2-EC40-4A22-9788-56B88FC62AB4@icloud.com>
References: <vfwq83IkbEZY4aGvaW2Cj63RghnpjvnRBcCeFBZMocUCtlLSAHlaWNICigMbcxCNli4b8T3lKWbU9EE7Da2spSjJN-oqBPUUjueUv8bMbYk=@protonmail.com><01E09DA3-A13D-4D2D-9FC2-05CCD57FE03B@yahoo.co.uk>
	<5BDB8FE2-EC40-4A22-9788-56B88FC62AB4@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <4242D8079AC34006BC4DA3E1D32142DE@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
To: Janis Goldring
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives

I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.

> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
>
> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address  - 
> Janis and Peter Goldring.
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list with 
>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the 
>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>
>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tony,
>>> You wrote:
>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own 
>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. He's 
>>> looked at the website and
>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info on the 
>>> email side of things.
>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from 
>>> past emails so's he can
>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being able 
>>> to administer it..."
>>>
>>>
>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed 
>>> that there have been some new posts
>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provision in his 
>>> will to keep the web site alive
>>> for some time (the admin for this site is officially Alan Taylor 
>>> nowadays) .
>>>
>>> The problem, AFAIK, is to do with the mail handler (which is quite a 
>>> separate application) and Bernie never talked with/to me
>>> about that - it was very much his domain. Paul Thackray and I have also 
>>> been chatting about trying to
>>> remedy the mail system. To try to sort it out I/we, for example, would 
>>> need administrative access to
>>> the mail handler (and access to the passwords), so basically I/we would 
>>> need to be invited to help. I was
>>> not going to do anything until after Bernie has been laid to rest.
>>>
>>> I, like you and many others, would be very pleased if people could help 
>>> with sorting out the mail system, but I would counsel
>>> against taking precipitative action.
>>>
>>>
>>> Meanwhile - it seems as if the archive system is sort of working, 
>>> although Paul has noticed some emails
>>> have been missed: the archive lives here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/
>>> and it was through the archive that I found your email and the replies 
>>> to your email - I NEVER got it through the regular tech ops email 
>>> system.
>>> I hope that this makes sense.
>>>
>>> Very best regards,
>>>
>>> Alec
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> =====================================
>>>
>>> Alec Bray
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> MOD: 07789 561 346
>>> TEL: 0118 981 7502
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  1 06:32:10 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 12:32:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Broadcasting House 1960s
Message-ID: <f5ffe954-3bbb-7f80-f212-a2d4f7f86506@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Scanning old negatives, I came across this photo of Broadcasting House 
around the 1960s mark.



No traffic apart from BBC Vans....

Best regards,

Alec

-

=====================================

Alec Bray
alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
TEL:  0118 981 7502
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Sep  1 11:40:26 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 17:40:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <4242D8079AC34006BC4DA3E1D32142DE@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <vfwq83IkbEZY4aGvaW2Cj63RghnpjvnRBcCeFBZMocUCtlLSAHlaWNICigMbcxCNli4b8T3lKWbU9EE7Da2spSjJN-oqBPUUjueUv8bMbYk=@protonmail.com>
	<01E09DA3-A13D-4D2D-9FC2-05CCD57FE03B@yahoo.co.uk>
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	<4242D8079AC34006BC4DA3E1D32142DE@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <2E3B98B8-6C1B-438F-B6D4-A3F39982CA50@icloud.com>

Thanks, discovered they were going to junk for some reason.

> On 1 Sep 2023, at 08:28, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
> To: Janis Goldring
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
> 
> I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.
> 
>> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address  - Janis and Peter Goldring.
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list with admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>> 
>>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>>> 
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> 
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>> 
>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>> You wrote:
>>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own computer company, and asked him for
>>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. He's looked at the website and
>>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info on the email side of things.
>>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from past emails so's he can
>>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being able to administer it..."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed that there have been some new posts
>>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provision in his will to keep the web site alive
>>>> for some time (the admin for this site is officially Alan Taylor nowadays) .
>>>> 
>>>> The problem, AFAIK, is to do with the mail handler (which is quite a separate application) and Bernie never talked with/to me
>>>> about that - it was very much his domain. Paul Thackray and I have also been chatting about trying to
>>>> remedy the mail system. To try to sort it out I/we, for example, would need administrative access to
>>>> the mail handler (and access to the passwords), so basically I/we would need to be invited to help. I was
>>>> not going to do anything until after Bernie has been laid to rest.
>>>> 
>>>> I, like you and many others, would be very pleased if people could help with sorting out the mail system, but I would counsel
>>>> against taking precipitative action.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Meanwhile - it seems as if the archive system is sort of working, although Paul has noticed some emails
>>>> have been missed: the archive lives here:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/
>>>> and it was through the archive that I found your email and the replies to your email - I NEVER got it through the regular tech ops email system.
>>>> I hope that this makes sense.
>>>> 
>>>> Very best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Alec
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> =====================================
>>>> 
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> MOD: 07789 561 346
>>>> TEL: 0118 981 7502
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Sep  1 15:03:09 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 22:03:09 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] RCD Tripping Problem
In-Reply-To: <9a17fde6-93e0-fc15-3fda-d3e5a9dd24e5@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <9a17fde6-93e0-fc15-3fda-d3e5a9dd24e5@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EE2DDECD-DDA7-41CB-AB48-3A6B5BF8193A@me.com>

Same idea but quicker would be to temporarily override the timer and see if running the fountain trips the breaker.

Assuming that the fountain turns out to be the culprit, it?s a matter of logically going through it to establish where the fault might be, such as in the pump assembly itself, the wiring, or maybe a junction box.  

I was once convinced that a pump was tripping a breaker, but when I ran a temporary cable directly from a mains socket to the pump, it behaved perfectly.  By going back one stage at a time, I was able to narrow it down to a junction box which looked fine by visual inspection.  I replaced it and it worked perfectly after that.

Alan


> On 1 Sep 2023, at 15:38, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Fountain has to be the obvious one - disconnect.
> 
> The preferential tripping is a case of a small current leak, with one trip being more sensitive than the other. They might be the same nominal rating, but you only need a few mA difference.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/08/2023 08:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> RCD's trip if there is a fault in the wiring somewhere.
>> 
>> Do you have a consumer unit with individual circuit breakers for each unit?
>> Try switching them all off and one by one turning them on until the RCD trips. That will identify where to inspect further.
>> 
>> Have you got exterior cabling not contained within metal or strong plastic conduit showing signs of squirrel nibbling?
>> The little beasts seem to find plastic insulation to be a tasty snack!
>> 
>> I would recommend calling in a qualified electrician - where I live, in one of a small development of purpose-built flats,
>> we have to have an electrical safety certificate to satisfy the building insurers. Do your insurers request the same?
>> 
>> Our man was brought in to update our interior lighting for communal hallways and stairs, changing from manual
>> wall switches to proximity detectors with back up battery emergency lighting. Also our exterior lights now work
>> on ambient light instead of time clocks.
>> 
>> Depending on where you are, I can let you have his contact details.
>> 
>> Pat H
>> TVC Tech-ops 1961-68
>> 
>> On 26/08/2023 09:19, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I have an RCD in the garage which covers the garage sockets, electric door & small water fountain in the garden. I have another in the house which covers the garage, an outside socket & the shower. Lately the house RCD keeps tripping out. I think it seems to coincide with the fountain being switched off by it's timer at about 7pm. It doesn't happen everyday. I only know it's happened when the shower doesn't work or the fountain doesn't come on in the morning. The garage RCD doesn't trip, luckily as the garage door still works once I've reset the house RCD! 
>>> 
>>> Can anyone suggest what & how I should test the system to try to narrow down the problem, please? 
>>> 
>>> John Nottage 
>>> 
>> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 04:45:59 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 10:45:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
Message-ID: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>

All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on this 
Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original account on 
Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via that original 
account.

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives

This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
To: Janis Goldring
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives

I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.

 > On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 > wrote:
 >
 >
 > We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address  -
 > Janis and Peter Goldring.
 > Sent from my iPad
 >
 >> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list with
 >> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
 >> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
 >>
 >> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
 >>
 >> TeaTeaFN - Tony
 >>
 >> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
 >>
 >> ------- Original Message -------
 >> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray 
<alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>> Hi Tony,
 >>> You wrote:
 >>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
 >>> computer company, and asked him for
 >>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. 
He's
 >>> looked at the website and
 >>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info 
on the
 >>> email side of things.
 >>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from
 >>> past emails so's he can
 >>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being able
 >>> to administer it..."
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed
 >>> that there have been some new posts
 >>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provision 
in his
 >>> will to keep the web site alive
 >>> for some time (the admin for this site is officially Alan Taylor
 >>> nowadays) .
 >>>
 >>> The problem, AFAIK, is to do with the mail handler (which is quite a
 >>> separate application) and Bernie never talked with/to me
 >>> about that - it was very much his domain. Paul Thackray and I have 
also
 >>> been chatting about trying to
 >>> remedy the mail system. To try to sort it out I/we, for example, would
 >>> need administrative access to
 >>> the mail handler (and access to the passwords), so basically I/we 
would
 >>> need to be invited to help. I was
 >>> not going to do anything until after Bernie has been laid to rest.
 >>>
 >>> I, like you and many others, would be very pleased if people could 
help
 >>> with sorting out the mail system, but I would counsel
 >>> against taking precipitative action.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Meanwhile - it seems as if the archive system is sort of working,
 >>> although Paul has noticed some emails
 >>> have been missed: the archive lives here:
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/
 >>> and it was through the archive that I found your email and the replies
 >>> to your email - I NEVER got it through the regular tech ops email
 >>> system.
 >>> I hope that this makes sense.
 >>>
 >>> Very best regards,
 >>>
 >>> Alec
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> --
 >>> =====================================
 >>>
 >>> Alec Bray
 >>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
 >>> MOD: 07789 561 346
 >>> TEL: 0118 981 7502
 >>
 >> --
 >> Tech1 mailing list
 >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
 >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
 > --
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 > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
 > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Sun Sep  3 05:56:52 2023
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 10:56:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The ruins of TVC
Message-ID: <C680BF58-1788-4919-9281-BC9BD538BD15@cam.ac.uk>

Hello all!

On Tuesday, my sister and I went to the ruins of TVC to remember our Dad. We saw a live broadcast of Loose Women, filmed in TC2. On our way in we passed Red Assembly, which looks in good shape, and I had a peak into TC1. Shoring Loose Women looked much as a remember TV making from my rare trips to TVC in the 70s and 80s: four cameras on peristalsis, one on a crane, with the director up in the gallery, and the floor manager running the studio. The talent came in from the dressing rooms immediately of the studio.

I was really pleased to see that the new signage used the original 1950s font - Washington and English Two-Line Antique.

Here are a couple of photos.

Love,

Robin[image0.png][image1.jpeg]

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From jesherlock at btinternet.com  Sun Sep  3 08:49:49 2023
From: jesherlock at btinternet.com (John Sherlock)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 14:49:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The ruins of TVC
Message-ID: <000301d9de6d$81be3c70$853ab550$@com>

Hi Robin,

 

Thank you for your post on Tech1.  I am a contemporary of and worked with
Roger at TVC on cameras for many years have good memories of that time.

He would have been very amused by the rather apposite Autocorrect in your
message where pedestals became peristalsis.

 

Just to warn you, the tech-ops emailing system seems to be broken at the
moment and many messages are missing or are being blocked particularly those
with 'btinternet.com' and 'gmail.com' domains.

 

Regards,

John Sherlock

 

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Sep  4 05:09:24 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 11:09:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Window treatment
Message-ID: <462DEA25-41C5-4AC2-9442-8299314FBF11@me.com>

Can somebody remind me of the correct name for the Rosco perforated film which is used to reduce light levels passing through windows?

I?m not talking about ND gel. The stuff I?m thinking of has a shiny aluminium surface on one side and black on the other.  It has small, finely spaced perforations to let some of the light through.

Follow on question is where to buy it in small quantities without spending a fortune? Im looking to get about 4-5 sq metres, to be cut into smaller pieces.

Alan

From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Tue Sep  5 02:35:21 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 08:35:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Window treatment
In-Reply-To: <462DEA25-41C5-4AC2-9442-8299314FBF11@me.com>
References: <462DEA25-41C5-4AC2-9442-8299314FBF11@me.com>
Message-ID: <2F39823D-E98E-40D3-8811-212F07C059A3@talktalk.net>

I think it?s called ?Rosco Scrim.?

Hugh 

> On 5 Sep 2023, at 07:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Can somebody remind me of the correct name for the Rosco perforated film which is used to reduce light levels passing through windows?
> 
> I?m not talking about ND gel. The stuff I?m thinking of has a shiny aluminium surface on one side and black on the other.  It has small, finely spaced perforations to let some of the light through.
> 
> Follow on question is where to buy it in small quantities without spending a fortune? Im looking to get about 4-5 sq metres, to be cut into smaller pieces.
> 
> Alan
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Sep  5 02:57:57 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 08:57:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Broadcasting House 1960s
In-Reply-To: <f5ffe954-3bbb-7f80-f212-a2d4f7f86506@gmail.com>
References: <f5ffe954-3bbb-7f80-f212-a2d4f7f86506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <be392fac-89bd-5e0b-ee1b-ea853c0c8267@amps.net>

Hi Alec,

I do remember, when working as Gram op, needing to use a BH studio on 
occasion, there was the opportunity to park outside!

Pat H

On 01/09/2023 12:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Scanning old negatives, I came across this photo of Broadcasting House 
> around the 1960s mark.
>
>
>
> No traffic apart from BBC Vans....
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alec
>
> -
>
> =====================================
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> MOD:  07789 561 346
> TEL:  0118 981 7502
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Sep  5 04:01:24 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:01:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Window treatment
In-Reply-To: <2F39823D-E98E-40D3-8811-212F07C059A3@talktalk.net>
References: <2F39823D-E98E-40D3-8811-212F07C059A3@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <5FE68315-9FE7-435A-A2DF-19FD6BCFD5AE@me.com>

Thanks Hugh.  I?ve looked it up on the Rosco site and that?s definitely the stuff. I had tried searching their site using other words for it and kept ending up in interesting backwaters, but without finding what I was looking for. 

I should have remembered it because when we shot dramas in buildings with windows, there were usually three approaches for reducing the light level through the windows.  Big sheets of ND gel did the job, but tended to blow in the wind, making weird optical effects and producing lots of noise.  Rosco Scrim was much less noisy if the wind was blowing and could be fitted to windows rapidly, often leaving it still on the roll and reducing waste. I was always relieved when they proposed to use Rosco Scrim and would encourage them to use scrim instead of gel - but few lighting guys welcome suggestions from the sound supervisor.

The third approach was a type of self adhesive ND film applied by using what appeared to be water.  It worked brilliantly, but needed to be applied carefully in order not to trap bubbles of air which show up very vividly when light shines on them..

There was one other way of solving the problem. Bang massive amounts of light inside to match the level coming through the window. I did a film on the fifteenth floor of an office building with massive windows and impressive views over the City of London.  The DoP wanted the Sparks to use the window cleaning boat and crane system to fix ND to the outside, but was told that H&S regs allowed only their own trained people inside the boat.  He didn?t want anybody other than his Sparks fitting Rosco Scrim because if it came undone, it would hold up filming on an already tight schedule.  That?s how we ended up with about 12-15 enormous Brutes in a medium sized office.

The lamps were flicker free, but produced a very audible whistle at about 8kHz.  I had anticipated the problem and brought along a portable parametric equaliser to notch out the whistle, but I couldn?t get rid of it without using a wider notch which marred the voice quality. I decided to do what sound recordists sometimes have to do. Record it as it is and leave it to be sorted in post production.

However I did make some clean recordings of the whistle and when I got home I could run a programme on my computer called a Fast Fourier Transformation. It displayed the precise frequency response of the recording and immediately revealed why I couldn?t notch it out. There were three spikes, one at about 8kHz and two others almost as big, but 100Hz either side of the main one. The 8kHz peak tended to shift a little bit one way or another on different takes, but the smaller peaks were always exactly 100Hz either side of it. I could also treat my recordings using three synthesised steep notches and eliminate the whistle.

The dubbing mixer was David Old, one of the most experienced film dubbing mixers. When I showed him my print outs and played him my filtered recordings he immediately recognised that we had a good solution for a long standing problem.  He had never seen a FFT analysis of the flicker free whistle. Three standard parametric equalisers used in post production suites could be tuned to each sharply notch out an element of the whistle, leaving the speech nice and clean.

My guess is that the flicker free lamps use the mains supply as a master clock and then multiply it by about 150 times to become the flicker free frequency.  By doing that, all the lamps would whistle at the same frequency rather than at random frequencies which would risk them beating together in a very annoying manner. I assume that the spikes 100Hz either side are unwanted artefacts from the multiplication process.  The reason why the frequency varies around 8kHz is presumably down to fluctuations of the genny frequency.  A tiny change of frequency will be multiplied by 150 but the side frequencies will always be exactly +100Hz and -100Hz relative to the fundamental frequency.

Alan


> On 5 Sep 2023, at 08:35, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I think it?s called ?Rosco Scrim.?
> 
> Hugh 
> 
>> On 5 Sep 2023, at 07:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Can somebody remind me of the correct name for the Rosco perforated film which is used to reduce light levels passing through windows?
>> 
>> I?m not talking about ND gel. The stuff I?m thinking of has a shiny aluminium surface on one side and black on the other.  It has small, finely spaced perforations to let some of the light through.
>> 
>> Follow on question is where to buy it in small quantities without spending a fortune? Im looking to get about 4-5 sq metres, to be cut into smaller pieces.
>> 
>> Alan
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Sep  5 04:55:13 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:55:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Window treatment
In-Reply-To: <462DEA25-41C5-4AC2-9442-8299314FBF11@me.com>
References: <462DEA25-41C5-4AC2-9442-8299314FBF11@me.com>
Message-ID: <c7c1281d-e286-f505-a4a6-e855b7333058@amps.net>

Might be Cinegel,

Really Alan, you can use Google?

Try:

https://emea.rosco.com/en/products/catalog/window-control

or

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Rosco+perforated+film

I'm out of things now, but one of the Film lighting companies might be 
able to help.

One of the sites suggested a 'where to buy' but navigation was poor.

Pat H

On 04/09/2023 11:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Can somebody remind me of the correct name for the Rosco perforated film which is used to reduce light levels passing through windows?
>
> I?m not talking about ND gel. The stuff I?m thinking of has a shiny aluminium surface on one side and black on the other.  It has small, finely spaced perforations to let some of the light through.
>
> Follow on question is where to buy it in small quantities without spending a fortune? Im looking to get about 4-5 sq metres, to be cut into smaller pieces.
>
> Alan
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Tue Sep  5 05:05:54 2023
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:05:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
References: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA035376-BA24-41EC-AF3B-4349FA5ACCFE@zero51.force9.co.uk>

Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service provider. My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not Plusnet /BT for example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to scratch? There will be bounces but no-one to monitor them.

Peter Fox

On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on this Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original account on Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via that original account.

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives

This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
To: Janis Goldring
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives

I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.

> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address  -
> Janis and Peter Goldring.
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list with
>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>
>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tony,
>>> You wrote:
>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. He's
>>> looked at the website and
>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info on the
>>> email side of things.
>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from
>>> past emails so's he can
>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being able
>>> to administer it..."
>>>
>>>
>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed
>>> that there have been some new posts
>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis


From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Tue Sep  5 05:18:27 2023
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:18:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BFI Open Day - 17th September
Message-ID: <004001d9dfe2$5b211d00$11635700$@soundsuper.co.uk>

This might be of interest -

 

 
<https://www.heritageopendays.org.uk/visiting/event/bfi-film-television-arch
ive1> Events | Heritage Open Days

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Sep  5 06:08:12 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 12:08:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Window treatment
In-Reply-To: <c7c1281d-e286-f505-a4a6-e855b7333058@amps.net>
References: <c7c1281d-e286-f505-a4a6-e855b7333058@amps.net>
Message-ID: <383A0CD5-BA43-470E-87E6-C8232D343A91@me.com>



> On 5 Sep 2023, at 10:55, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Might be Cinegel,
> 
> Really Alan, you can use Google?
> 

Hugh correctly identified it as Rosco Scrim.

I never use Google and avoid using any Google services if possible. DuckDuckGo has been the search engine for me for as long as I can recall. It works really well these days. The results are usually meaningful, reliable and not full of adverts.

Alan
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Tue Sep  5 07:25:01 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 13:25:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Window treatment
In-Reply-To: <5FE68315-9FE7-435A-A2DF-19FD6BCFD5AE@me.com>
References: <5FE68315-9FE7-435A-A2DF-19FD6BCFD5AE@me.com>
Message-ID: <5E030738-FCBB-4B0B-B357-23526C7EA25E@talktalk.net>

Yes, it?s great stuff, in my post broadcast career I tried to persuade my bosses to use it on the windows of a very sunny office where the staff had problems with glare. I got hold of a sample which was highly effective and liked. We could have applied it ourselves but the buildings team preferred to get the tinted stick on film applied by an outside company. 

Then staff grumbled about the ?autumnal? look of the outside world when looking through the film. Had Rosco been used that wouldn?t have been a problem; there we go, I was just a retired sound person. 

I also remember at a live church OB, somewhere in Cornwall, the sparks rigged several grades of net above the large window at the rear of the wide shot. It had been a gloomy morning so only a lightweight layer was needed. Just before we went to air, as so often, out came the sun and there was a scramble up onto the scaffolding to pull down the heavier grade.

Interesting to hear your tale of eq?ing for lamps, most of my such challenges revolved around trying to lose the sound of the onboard generator on the truck I worked on for several years. Many a battle won and lost . . .

Hugh



> On 5 Sep 2023, at 10:03, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Hugh.  I?ve looked it up on the Rosco site and that?s definitely the stuff. I had tried searching their site using other words for it and kept ending up in interesting backwaters, but without finding what I was looking for. 
> 
> I should have remembered it because when we shot dramas in buildings with windows, there were usually three approaches for reducing the light level through the windows.  Big sheets of ND gel did the job, but tended to blow in the wind, making weird optical effects and producing lots of noise.  Rosco Scrim was much less noisy if the wind was blowing and could be fitted to windows rapidly, often leaving it still on the roll and reducing waste. I was always relieved when they proposed to use Rosco Scrim and would encourage them to use scrim instead of gel - but few lighting guys welcome suggestions from the sound supervisor.
> 
> The third approach was a type of self adhesive ND film applied by using what appeared to be water.  It worked brilliantly, but needed to be applied carefully in order not to trap bubbles of air which show up very vividly when light shines on them..
> 
> There was one other way of solving the problem. Bang massive amounts of light inside to match the level coming through the window. I did a film on the fifteenth floor of an office building with massive windows and impressive views over the City of London.  The DoP wanted the Sparks to use the window cleaning boat and crane system to fix ND to the outside, but was told that H&S regs allowed only their own trained people inside the boat.  He didn?t want anybody other than his Sparks fitting Rosco Scrim because if it came undone, it would hold up filming on an already tight schedule.  That?s how we ended up with about 12-15 enormous Brutes in a medium sized office.
> 
> The lamps were flicker free, but produced a very audible whistle at about 8kHz.  I had anticipated the problem and brought along a portable parametric equaliser to notch out the whistle, but I couldn?t get rid of it without using a wider notch which marred the voice quality. I decided to do what sound recordists sometimes have to do. Record it as it is and leave it to be sorted in post production.
> 
> However I did make some clean recordings of the whistle and when I got home I could run a programme on my computer called a Fast Fourier Transformation. It displayed the precise frequency response of the recording and immediately revealed why I couldn?t notch it out. There were three spikes, one at about 8kHz and two others almost as big, but 100Hz either side of the main one. The 8kHz peak tended to shift a little bit one way or another on different takes, but the smaller peaks were always exactly 100Hz either side of it. I could also treat my recordings using three synthesised steep notches and eliminate the whistle.
> 
> The dubbing mixer was David Old, one of the most experienced film dubbing mixers. When I showed him my print outs and played him my filtered recordings he immediately recognised that we had a good solution for a long standing problem.  He had never seen a FFT analysis of the flicker free whistle. Three standard parametric equalisers used in post production suites could be tuned to each sharply notch out an element of the whistle, leaving the speech nice and clean.
> 
> My guess is that the flicker free lamps use the mains supply as a master clock and then multiply it by about 150 times to become the flicker free frequency.  By doing that, all the lamps would whistle at the same frequency rather than at random frequencies which would risk them beating together in a very annoying manner. I assume that the spikes 100Hz either side are unwanted artefacts from the multiplication process.  The reason why the frequency varies around 8kHz is presumably down to fluctuations of the genny frequency.  A tiny change of frequency will be multiplied by 150 but the side frequencies will always be exactly +100Hz and -100Hz relative to the fundamental frequency.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 5 Sep 2023, at 08:35, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I think it?s called ?Rosco Scrim.?
>> 
>> Hugh 
>> 
>>>> On 5 Sep 2023, at 07:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Can somebody remind me of the correct name for the Rosco perforated film which is used to reduce light levels passing through windows?
>>> 
>>> I?m not talking about ND gel. The stuff I?m thinking of has a shiny aluminium surface on one side and black on the other.  It has small, finely spaced perforations to let some of the light through.
>>> 
>>> Follow on question is where to buy it in small quantities without spending a fortune? Im looking to get about 4-5 sq metres, to be cut into smaller pieces.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 



From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Sep  5 08:49:52 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:49:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Window treatment
In-Reply-To: <5E030738-FCBB-4B0B-B357-23526C7EA25E@talktalk.net>
References: <5E030738-FCBB-4B0B-B357-23526C7EA25E@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <CBED0529-CBCA-4E4B-BC25-D446348A325C@me.com>


> On 5 Sep 2023, at 13:25, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
> 
> Interesting to hear your tale of eq?ing for lamps, most of my such challenges revolved around trying to lose the sound of the onboard generator on the truck I worked on for several years. Many a battle won and lost . . .
> 
> Hugh

Occasionally I used to stand in for the young chap who normally recorded the sound for Rosie and Jim ( a children?s show featuring two puppets who travelled around the canals on a narrow boat ).

Power for the tech gear was provided by a portable generator which was anything but silent.  Most of the time, it was put at the opposite end of the boat to where they were filming, but it was always troublesome because it was less than seventy feet away in an otherwise very quiet environment.

On a block which I did, I managed to almost eliminate the generator noise. The usual sound guy was keen to learn my secret, but didn?t want to ask me directly ( I would have told him if he asked - I?m always happy to tell people how I do things ). 

He half remembered a conversation which we once had on another show where I was explaining how noise cancelling microphones work and he must have assumed that I used two personal mics on each puppeteer, with one out of phase to reject distant sounds. Needless to say, when he experimented with that idea, the dialogue sounded pretty duff and the idea was swiftly dropped.

My secret was simply to use a much longer mains lead and either situate the genny further along the towpath, or if the boat was moving, put the genny in a small boat towed behind.

Alan

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Sep  5 18:59:51 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 00:59:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <DA035376-BA24-41EC-AF3B-4349FA5ACCFE@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
	<DA035376-BA24-41EC-AF3B-4349FA5ACCFE@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <975AC9B31A39406E958D16D24E7657EA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Hi Peter,

My experience mirrors yours re Gmail. A few months back any Gmail address I 
sent emails to resulted in failure. My provider had to do a major re-vamp to 
comply with Gmail rules but I don't know whether Google security 
requirements are wise with other providers lagging behind or whether it is 
just another facet of Google dominance with them calling the shots for the 
sake of it.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Fox via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 11:05 AM
To: Dave Plowman
Cc: TechOps
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives

Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service provider. 
My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not Plusnet /BT for 
example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to scratch? There will be 
bounces but no-one to monitor them.

Peter Fox

On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:

?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on this Gmail 
account I set up specially for it. Or on my original account on Thunderbird. 
But Windows Mail has just posted this via that original account.

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives

This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
To: Janis Goldring
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives

I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.

> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address  -
> Janis and Peter Goldring.
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list with
>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>
>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tony,
>>> You wrote:
>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. He's
>>> looked at the website and
>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info on the
>>> email side of things.
>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from
>>> past emails so's he can
>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being able
>>> to administer it..."
>>>
>>>
>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed
>>> that there have been some new posts
>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis

-- 
Tech1 mailing list
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 03:59:11 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 09:59:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <975AC9B31A39406E958D16D24E7657EA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Hi Dave,
          My main dave at davesound.co.uk account which is hosted? by 
123-Reg and paid for, not free, and I've had for many years, was changed 
from a popbox to imap about a year ago. More secure, I believe. But 
before that happened, I'd changed to mt BT account for here.  That also 
had problems, and Bernie suggested I used Gmail. So set up an account 
there. But really no better. Email client used for all, Thunderbird. And 
really, tech-ops was the only address I had problems with leading me to 
think the software it used to more likely the problem. Of course most of 
these email groups long since changed to a internet forum, or even a 
FaceBook etc group, so doubt much effort was made to keep its software 
up to date.

Dave.

On 06/09/2023 00:59, David Newbitt wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>  
> My experience mirrors yours re Gmail. A few months back any Gmail 
> address I sent emails to resulted in failure. My provider had to do a 
> major re-vamp to comply with Gmail rules but I don't know whether Google 
> security requirements are wise with other providers lagging behind or 
> whether it is just another facet of Google dominance with them calling 
> the shots for the sake of it.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 11:05 AM
> To: Dave Plowman
> Cc: TechOps
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
> 
> Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service 
> provider. My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not Plusnet 
> /BT for example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to scratch? There 
> will be bounces but no-one to monitor them.
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> ?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on this 
> Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original account on 
> Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via that original 
> account.
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows
> 
> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
> Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
> To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
> Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
> 
> This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
> To: Janis Goldring
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
> 
> I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.
> 
>> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address? -
>> Janis and Peter Goldring.
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list with
>>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>>
>>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>>>
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>
>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>> You wrote:
>>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. He's
>>>> looked at the website and
>>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info on 
>>>> the
>>>> email side of things.
>>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from
>>>> past emails so's he can
>>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being able
>>>> to administer it..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed
>>>> that there have been some new posts
>>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Sep  6 10:15:48 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 16:15:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans
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From jccglass at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 17:25:23 2023
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris laptop on GMail)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 23:25:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] family trees
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References: <B3D953AE5DA0431E8D444BE39A21F90A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Any one subscribed to find my past

ive lost 2nd page of a Will

Image from Bothwick archives via find my past

George Roberts? Farmer of Wakefield? died 25th may 1846

will written 7 feb 1844


  Prerogative & Exchequer Courts Of York Probate Index, 1688-1858

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?datasetname=prerogative+%26+exchequer+courts+of+york+probate+index%2c+1688-1858&sid=103&firstname=george&firstname_variants=true&lastname=roberts&eventyear=1847&eventyear_offset=1


this is what i have transcribed so far ? but i seem to be missing a 
second page

http://www.jccglass.me.uk/wills/roberts-george.html

chris Glass
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Sat Sep  9 02:34:59 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 08:34:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <DA035376-BA24-41EC-AF3B-4349FA5ACCFE@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f135c8c3-c7df-2f53-f943-aca280ae5669@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Peter,

I agree.

I run my own mail server and had to register my server with GMail in 
order to send emails to GMail accounts.

Many email providers are restricting the servers they allow to send to them.

I much prefer the email system we use at Tech-Ops, messages simply 
arrive in my inbox.

I don't (and won't) use Facebook.  If I did, I'd have to logon each time 
to see if there were any messages. (I don't use a smartphone as no 
signal in the middle of Exmoor).


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 05/09/2023 11:05, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
> Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service provider. My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not Plusnet /BT for example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to scratch? There will be bounces but no-one to monitor them.
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on this Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original account on Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via that original account.
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows
> 
> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
> Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
> To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
> Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
> 
> This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
> To: Janis Goldring
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
> 
> I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.
> 
>> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address  -
>> Janis and Peter Goldring.
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list with
>>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>>
>>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>>>
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>
>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>> You wrote:
>>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. He's
>>>> looked at the website and
>>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info on the
>>>> email side of things.
>>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from
>>>> past emails so's he can
>>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being able
>>>> to administer it..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed
>>>> that there have been some new posts
>>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis
> 


From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 05:24:52 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 11:24:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <f135c8c3-c7df-2f53-f943-aca280ae5669@armoor.co.uk>
References: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
	<DA035376-BA24-41EC-AF3B-4349FA5ACCFE@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<f135c8c3-c7df-2f53-f943-aca280ae5669@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67128d20-64d0-b97c-c377-ce22732dcd9c@gmail.com>

If emails merely arrive in your inbox, you have the email client set to 
do this. Remember passwords, etc. You can do pretty well the same with 
FaceBook. And both require an internet connection of some sort.

On 09/09/2023 08:34, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear Peter,
>
> I agree.
>
> I run my own mail server and had to register my server with GMail in 
> order to send emails to GMail accounts.
>
> Many email providers are restricting the servers they allow to send to 
> them.
>
> I much prefer the email system we use at Tech-Ops, messages simply 
> arrive in my inbox.
>
> I don't (and won't) use Facebook.? If I did, I'd have to logon each 
> time to see if there were any messages. (I don't use a smartphone as 
> no signal in the middle of Exmoor).
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Ian Norman
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
>
> On 05/09/2023 11:05, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>> Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service 
>> provider. My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not 
>> Plusnet /BT for example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to 
>> scratch? There will be bounces but no-one to monitor them.
>>
>> Peter Fox
>>
>> On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on this 
>> Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original account on 
>> Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via that original 
>> account.
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>
>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
>> Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
>> To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
>> Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>
>> This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
>> To: Janis Goldring
>> Cc: Tech ops
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>
>> I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.
>>
>>> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address? -
>>> Janis and Peter Goldring.
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list 
>>>> with
>>>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>>>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>>>>
>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>
>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>
>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray 
>>>> <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. 
>>>>> He's
>>>>> looked at the website and
>>>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info 
>>>>> on the
>>>>> email side of things.
>>>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from
>>>>> past emails so's he can
>>>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being 
>>>>> able
>>>>> to administer it..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed
>>>>> that there have been some new posts
>>>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis
>>
>
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 05:31:08 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 11:31:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Bernie_Newnham=E2=80=99s_Memorial_Service?=
Message-ID: <756c234c-98cc-eee8-4174-611a5822a1f6@gmail.com>

Hi all,

For those of you who missed the live stream of Bernie's memorial 
service, you can still see it here:

www.youtube.com

Bernie Newnham?s Memorial Service <#>

Bernie Newnham?s memorial service at the Church of the Good Shepherd, 
Wisley with Pyrford, on Friday 8th September at 12:30 pm.

? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj8Y6GlWs4s 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj8Y6GlWs4s>

 ?I hope it will mean something to you ...

Best regards,

Alec



PS - I seem to be getting some Tech Ops emails once again - so thanks to 
whoever waved the magic wand !!!


-- 
=====================================

Alec Bray
alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
TEL:  0118 981 7502
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Sat Sep  9 06:51:04 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 12:51:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <67128d20-64d0-b97c-c377-ce22732dcd9c@gmail.com>
References: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5c468d07-e451-9a6e-5dcf-84c1fcd1fc35@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Dave,

True, but my email client doesn't badger me with adverts.

To set-up a Facebook account you first need an email account.  You don't 
need a Facebook account to create an email account.


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 09/09/2023 11:24, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> If emails merely arrive in your inbox, you have the email client set to 
> do this. Remember passwords, etc. You can do pretty well the same with 
> FaceBook. And both require an internet connection of some sort.
> 
> On 09/09/2023 08:34, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Dear Peter,
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> I run my own mail server and had to register my server with GMail in 
>> order to send emails to GMail accounts.
>>
>> Many email providers are restricting the servers they allow to send to 
>> them.
>>
>> I much prefer the email system we use at Tech-Ops, messages simply 
>> arrive in my inbox.
>>
>> I don't (and won't) use Facebook.? If I did, I'd have to logon each 
>> time to see if there were any messages. (I don't use a smartphone as 
>> no signal in the middle of Exmoor).
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Ian Norman
>>
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>>
>> On 05/09/2023 11:05, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service 
>>> provider. My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not 
>>> Plusnet /BT for example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to 
>>> scratch? There will be bounces but no-one to monitor them.
>>>
>>> Peter Fox
>>>
>>> On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on this 
>>> Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original account on 
>>> Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via that original 
>>> account.
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>
>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
>>> Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
>>> To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
>>> Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>>
>>> This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!
>>>
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
>>> To: Janis Goldring
>>> Cc: Tech ops
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>>
>>> I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.
>>>
>>>> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address? -
>>>> Janis and Peter Goldring.
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email list 
>>>>> with
>>>>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>>>>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops community.
>>>>>
>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray 
>>>>> <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>>>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>>>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the list. 
>>>>>> He's
>>>>>> looked at the website and
>>>>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more info 
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> email side of things.
>>>>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have from
>>>>>> past emails so's he can
>>>>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to being 
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to administer it..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have noticed
>>>>>> that there have been some new posts
>>>>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis
>>>
>>


From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 07:02:12 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 13:02:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <5c468d07-e451-9a6e-5dcf-84c1fcd1fc35@armoor.co.uk>
References: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
	<DA035376-BA24-41EC-AF3B-4349FA5ACCFE@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<f135c8c3-c7df-2f53-f943-aca280ae5669@armoor.co.uk>
	<67128d20-64d0-b97c-c377-ce22732dcd9c@gmail.com>
	<5c468d07-e451-9a6e-5dcf-84c1fcd1fc35@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <bc1cb598-0774-ed0c-ebb8-c43ccf4f91e0@gmail.com>

You don't get any spam at all via email?

However, if you log on to FB and click on the group you've joined and 
want to read, you don't seem to get any ads on that.

I like email - but unlike all the other email groups that were once 
around, this one has always been flaky- at least here.? All of those 
groups and similar forums are now all either closed or very low traffic. 
Fact of life, sadly. Things like FB are simply more convenient for the 
majority.


On 09/09/2023 12:51, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear Dave,
>
> True, but my email client doesn't badger me with adverts.
>
> To set-up a Facebook account you first need an email account.? You 
> don't need a Facebook account to create an email account.
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Ian Norman
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
>
> On 09/09/2023 11:24, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> If emails merely arrive in your inbox, you have the email client set 
>> to do this. Remember passwords, etc. You can do pretty well the same 
>> with FaceBook. And both require an internet connection of some sort.
>>
>> On 09/09/2023 08:34, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Dear Peter,
>>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> I run my own mail server and had to register my server with GMail in 
>>> order to send emails to GMail accounts.
>>>
>>> Many email providers are restricting the servers they allow to send 
>>> to them.
>>>
>>> I much prefer the email system we use at Tech-Ops, messages simply 
>>> arrive in my inbox.
>>>
>>> I don't (and won't) use Facebook.? If I did, I'd have to logon each 
>>> time to see if there were any messages. (I don't use a smartphone as 
>>> no signal in the middle of Exmoor).
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Ian Norman
>>>
>>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>>>
>>> On 05/09/2023 11:05, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service 
>>>> provider. My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not 
>>>> Plusnet /BT for example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to 
>>>> scratch? There will be bounces but no-one to monitor them.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Fox
>>>>
>>>> On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on 
>>>> this Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original 
>>>> account on Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via 
>>>> that original account.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>>
>>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
>>>> To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
>>>> Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>>>
>>>> This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!
>>>>
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
>>>> To: Janis Goldring
>>>> Cc: Tech ops
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>>>
>>>> I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.
>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address? -
>>>>> Janis and Peter Goldring.
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email 
>>>>>> list with
>>>>>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>>>>>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops 
>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>>>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray 
>>>>>> <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>>>>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>>>>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the 
>>>>>>> list. He's
>>>>>>> looked at the website and
>>>>>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more 
>>>>>>> info on the
>>>>>>> email side of things.
>>>>>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have 
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> past emails so's he can
>>>>>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to 
>>>>>>> being able
>>>>>>> to administer it..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have 
>>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>>> that there have been some new posts
>>>>>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis
>>>>
>>>
>
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW



From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Sat Sep  9 07:17:55 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 13:17:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <bc1cb598-0774-ed0c-ebb8-c43ccf4f91e0@gmail.com>
References: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
	<DA035376-BA24-41EC-AF3B-4349FA5ACCFE@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<f135c8c3-c7df-2f53-f943-aca280ae5669@armoor.co.uk>
	<67128d20-64d0-b97c-c377-ce22732dcd9c@gmail.com>
	<5c468d07-e451-9a6e-5dcf-84c1fcd1fc35@armoor.co.uk>
	<bc1cb598-0774-ed0c-ebb8-c43ccf4f91e0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1769732-f1a1-e143-daca-d6cd7ab4554a@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Dave,

I have to agree, I'm in the minority.

As for spam, I get very little, maybe 5 a week.

I use Postfix and Dovecote (No spam filter) on a rented cloud server 
(?12 per year), the domain name costs about the same.

So I'm definitely in the minority.


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 09/09/2023 13:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> You don't get any spam at all via email?
> 
> However, if you log on to FB and click on the group you've joined and 
> want to read, you don't seem to get any ads on that.
> 
> I like email - but unlike all the other email groups that were once 
> around, this one has always been flaky- at least here.? All of those 
> groups and similar forums are now all either closed or very low traffic. 
> Fact of life, sadly. Things like FB are simply more convenient for the 
> majority.
> 
> 
> On 09/09/2023 12:51, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Dear Dave,
>>
>> True, but my email client doesn't badger me with adverts.
>>
>> To set-up a Facebook account you first need an email account.? You 
>> don't need a Facebook account to create an email account.
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Ian Norman
>>
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>>
>> On 09/09/2023 11:24, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> If emails merely arrive in your inbox, you have the email client set 
>>> to do this. Remember passwords, etc. You can do pretty well the same 
>>> with FaceBook. And both require an internet connection of some sort.
>>>
>>> On 09/09/2023 08:34, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Dear Peter,
>>>>
>>>> I agree.
>>>>
>>>> I run my own mail server and had to register my server with GMail in 
>>>> order to send emails to GMail accounts.
>>>>
>>>> Many email providers are restricting the servers they allow to send 
>>>> to them.
>>>>
>>>> I much prefer the email system we use at Tech-Ops, messages simply 
>>>> arrive in my inbox.
>>>>
>>>> I don't (and won't) use Facebook.? If I did, I'd have to logon each 
>>>> time to see if there were any messages. (I don't use a smartphone as 
>>>> no signal in the middle of Exmoor).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Ian Norman
>>>>
>>>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>>>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>>>>
>>>> On 05/09/2023 11:05, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service 
>>>>> provider. My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not 
>>>>> Plusnet /BT for example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to 
>>>>> scratch? There will be bounces but no-one to monitor them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Fox
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on 
>>>>> this Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original 
>>>>> account on Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via 
>>>>> that original account.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
>>>>> Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
>>>>> To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
>>>>> Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>>>>
>>>>> This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
>>>>> To: Janis Goldring
>>>>> Cc: Tech ops
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>>>>
>>>>> I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 
>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our address? -
>>>>>> Janis and Peter Goldring.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email 
>>>>>>> list with
>>>>>>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>>>>>>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops 
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>>>>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray 
>>>>>>> <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>>>>>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>>>>>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the 
>>>>>>>> list. He's
>>>>>>>> looked at the website and
>>>>>>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more 
>>>>>>>> info on the
>>>>>>>> email side of things.
>>>>>>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I have 
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> past emails so's he can
>>>>>>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to 
>>>>>>>> being able
>>>>>>>> to administer it..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have 
>>>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>>>> that there have been some new posts
>>>>>>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis
>>>>>
>>>>
>>


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Sep  9 07:49:04 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 13:49:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <bc1cb598-0774-ed0c-ebb8-c43ccf4f91e0@gmail.com>
References: <67bc79d2-675e-01fe-7cb2-d5b624075bd4@gmail.com>
	<DA035376-BA24-41EC-AF3B-4349FA5ACCFE@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<f135c8c3-c7df-2f53-f943-aca280ae5669@armoor.co.uk>
	<67128d20-64d0-b97c-c377-ce22732dcd9c@gmail.com>
	<5c468d07-e451-9a6e-5dcf-84c1fcd1fc35@armoor.co.uk>
	<bc1cb598-0774-ed0c-ebb8-c43ccf4f91e0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4475ab31-c811-7182-2085-4c90392648b3@chriswoolf.co.uk>

The sad bit is that, though convenient, Facebook is a massive feeder off 
your communications - it knows far more about you than you probably want 
it to know.

Most people don't seem to care - fair enough - but I'd rather be a 
little more in control of my life.

Chris Woolf


On 09/09/2023 13:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> You don't get any spam at all via email?
>
> However, if you log on to FB and click on the group you've joined and 
> want to read, you don't seem to get any ads on that.
>
> I like email - but unlike all the other email groups that were once 
> around, this one has always been flaky- at least here.? All of those 
> groups and similar forums are now all either closed or very low 
> traffic. Fact of life, sadly. Things like FB are simply more 
> convenient for the majority.
>
>
> On 09/09/2023 12:51, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Dear Dave,
>>
>> True, but my email client doesn't badger me with adverts.
>>
>> To set-up a Facebook account you first need an email account. You 
>> don't need a Facebook account to create an email account.
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Ian Norman
>>
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>>
>> On 09/09/2023 11:24, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> If emails merely arrive in your inbox, you have the email client set 
>>> to do this. Remember passwords, etc. You can do pretty well the same 
>>> with FaceBook. And both require an internet connection of some sort.
>>>
>>> On 09/09/2023 08:34, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Dear Peter,
>>>>
>>>> I agree.
>>>>
>>>> I run my own mail server and had to register my server with GMail 
>>>> in order to send emails to GMail accounts.
>>>>
>>>> Many email providers are restricting the servers they allow to send 
>>>> to them.
>>>>
>>>> I much prefer the email system we use at Tech-Ops, messages simply 
>>>> arrive in my inbox.
>>>>
>>>> I don't (and won't) use Facebook.? If I did, I'd have to logon each 
>>>> time to see if there were any messages. (I don't use a smartphone 
>>>> as no signal in the middle of Exmoor).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Ian Norman
>>>>
>>>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>>>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>>>>
>>>> On 05/09/2023 11:05, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Gmail has become very picky about the transmitting email service 
>>>>> provider. My 34SP hosted emails get rejected by gmail, but not 
>>>>> Plusnet /BT for example. Tech ops email provider may not be up to 
>>>>> scratch? There will be bounces but no-one to monitor them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Fox
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4 Sep 2023, at 21:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?All very odd. I am no longer seeing any mails from tech ops on 
>>>>> this Gmail account I set up specially for it. Or on my original 
>>>>> account on Thunderbird. But Windows Mail has just posted this via 
>>>>> that original account.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
>>>>> Sent: 03 September 2023 10:39
>>>>> To: Graeme Wall; Janis Goldring
>>>>> Cc: Tech ops; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>>>>
>>>>> This post of yours showed up here Graeme. Nil desperandum!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:18 AM
>>>>> To: Janis Goldring
>>>>> Cc: Tech ops
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
>>>>>
>>>>> I?m getting them but my replies don?t seem to be showing up.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Aug 2023, at 07:51, Janis Goldring via Tech1 
>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are also getting the emails and do not mind sharing our 
>>>>>> address? -
>>>>>> Janis and Peter Goldring.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27 Aug 2023, at 07:52, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to Alec for clarifying the present status of our email 
>>>>>>> list with
>>>>>>> admin overseen by Alan Taylor. I shall obviously hold fire in the
>>>>>>> meantime and wait to hear from Alan/Alec/Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to you for your hard work on behalf of the tech-ops 
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>>>>> On Friday, August 25th, 2023 at 13:52, Alec Bray 
>>>>>>> <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>>>> "...I've been in touch with a good friend of mine who runs his own
>>>>>>>> computer company, and asked him for
>>>>>>>> ideas about 'repairing' the holes which have occurred in the 
>>>>>>>> list. He's
>>>>>>>> looked at the website and
>>>>>>>> confirmed that it's paid for until 2029, but would like more 
>>>>>>>> info on the
>>>>>>>> email side of things.
>>>>>>>> With your permission, I will pass on email addresses that I 
>>>>>>>> have from
>>>>>>>> past emails so's he can
>>>>>>>> hopefully unravel the system and come up with a solution to 
>>>>>>>> being able
>>>>>>>> to administer it..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is NO problem with the Tech Ops web site - you may have 
>>>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>>>> that there have been some new posts
>>>>>>>> there - and I know, 'cos Bernie told me - that there is provis
>>>>>
>>>>
>>


From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Sep  9 09:03:38 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 15:03:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Tech1 email Archives
In-Reply-To: <bc1cb598-0774-ed0c-ebb8-c43ccf4f91e0@gmail.com>
References: <bc1cb598-0774-ed0c-ebb8-c43ccf4f91e0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <589312BC-BECA-423E-BB3C-B06BA7E3C701@me.com>

Virtually no spam email received here. It?s mostly down to effective filtering and avoiding Google or FaceBook.  I have opted out of most cookie options as a matter of course for many years and my browser prevents me being tracked after I use a site.

I just looked at by Junk mail box.  There are a few emails which I think of as spam, but which are legitimate marketing emails from organisations who I have some sort of relationship with, but none which are true spam.

Alan




> On 9 Sep 2023, at 13:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?You don't get any spam at all via email?
> 
> However, if you log on to FB and click on the group you've joined and want to read, you don't seem to get any ads on that.
> 
> I like email - but unlike all the other email groups that were once around, this one has always been flaky- at least here.  All of those groups and similar forums are now all either closed or very low traffic. Fact of life, sadly. Things like FB are simply more convenient for the majority.
> 


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Sep  9 17:53:16 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 23:53:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans
In-Reply-To: <jl9298stavvumgtadv25smp9.1694013348929@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <jl9298stavvumgtadv25smp9.1694013348929@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F6BEFB6B952E4040A4094685EDF4B88B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Hi Paul,

Can?t add to the info but I would imagine even third hand is likely for real. Mike was a thoroughly decent chap, an almost exact contemporary having been on TO 16, the course following mine. On his course, amongst other notables, were Alec Bray, Mike Du Boulay, Dave Hunter, Clive Stevens and Chris Pocock. These old TO Course photos are a sad reminder of how many former colleagues are no longer with us.

Alec kindly posted video reference details of Bernie?s funeral which I watched earlier today. The ?extras? tacked on to a remarkable life by those who spoke served to magnify still further Bernie?s already acknowledged ability, knowledge and achievements as well as his personal qualities of kindness, helpfulness and human decency. I envy that he knew where he wanted to go and knew how to get there.

I saw in the church at the start of the service Dudley, in quite animated conversation, but didn?t see him later in the service. Being such a fearfully hot day I hope he was ok.

Best wishes to everyone,

Dave Newbitt.

From: paul--- via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 4:15 PM
To: Tech 1 
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans


I am hearing 3rd hand info that Mike Langley-Evans has passed away? Has anyone any direct info?  




Paul Thackray



PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 10 02:58:28 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:58:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans
In-Reply-To: <F6BEFB6B952E4040A4094685EDF4B88B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <jl9298stavvumgtadv25smp9.1694013348929@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<F6BEFB6B952E4040A4094685EDF4B88B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <69EE7B20-DC23-492C-8B08-1B90D9CAE5BA@icloud.com>

I can assure you Dudley was fine. Also Dave Bowden, Robin Sutherland and a few others who made sure Tech Ops were suitably represented.

> On 9 Sep 2023, at 23:53, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
>  Can?t add to the info but I would imagine even third hand is likely for real. Mike was a thoroughly decent chap, an almost exact contemporary having been on TO 16, the course following mine. On his course, amongst other notables, were Alec Bray, Mike Du Boulay, Dave Hunter, Clive Stevens and Chris Pocock. These old TO Course photos are a sad reminder of how many former colleagues are no longer with us.
>  Alec kindly posted video reference details of Bernie?s funeral which I watched earlier today. The ?extras? tacked on to a remarkable life by those who spoke served to magnify still further Bernie?s already acknowledged ability, knowledge and achievements as well as his personal qualities of kindness, helpfulness and human decency. I envy that he knew where he wanted to go and knew how to get there.
>  I saw in the church at the start of the service Dudley, in quite animated conversation, but didn?t see him later in the service. Being such a fearfully hot day I hope he was ok.
>  Best wishes to everyone,
>  Dave Newbitt.
>  From: paul--- via Tech1
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 4:15 PM
> To: Tech 1
> Subject: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans
>  
> I am hearing 3rd hand info that Mike Langley-Evans has passed away? Has anyone any direct info?  
> 
>  
> Paul Thackray
>  
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> +44 7802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>  
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 10 03:54:21 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 09:54:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
Message-ID: <AEB2199E-CE74-424E-8BE4-84B43A80ED30@icloud.com>

Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
? 
Graeme Wall




From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Sun Sep 10 04:20:32 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 10:20:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
In-Reply-To: <AEB2199E-CE74-424E-8BE4-84B43A80ED30@icloud.com>
References: <AEB2199E-CE74-424E-8BE4-84B43A80ED30@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <2AF40F0E-21A5-4A97-A870-3A58EE58AD27@talktalk.net>

It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.

Hugh Snape

> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 10 04:23:30 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 10:23:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
In-Reply-To: <2AF40F0E-21A5-4A97-A870-3A58EE58AD27@talktalk.net>
References: <AEB2199E-CE74-424E-8BE4-84B43A80ED30@icloud.com>
	<2AF40F0E-21A5-4A97-A870-3A58EE58AD27@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <39FD58A3-E38F-4461-99C8-638739E38E35@icloud.com>

That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!

> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
> 
> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
> 
> Hugh Snape
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 06:23:31 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 12:23:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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Just read that Harvey Proctor thinks the BBC should be censured for 
allowing it to be turned into a political event by allowing the audience 
to wave EU flags.

On 10/09/2023 10:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>
>> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>>
>> Hugh Snape
>>
>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>
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>>
> 
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Sep 10 06:54:23 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 12:54:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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I gather that the EU flags were a protest against the impact that withdrawing from the EU has has on musicians touring in Europe. I can?t see how the BBC could be expected to confiscate flags of one type, or to avoid showing them.  It will obviously be used as a stick for certain types to knock the BBC, but those people would always find something to knock the BBC about anyway.

As for the Last Night of the Proms, technically is was done well as usual, but I did have two complaints with the programme.  Much as I adore Sandi Toksvig, I thought the contributions from the pundits was far too much.  It put me in mind of all those big football matches where the pundits desperately try to fill in time by talking for the sake of talking. I preferred the days when they would show a VT of a music related story connected with the Proms and then get the BBC presenter to ?ad lib? from his prepared script until the music resumed.

Also when it came to the pundit?s interlude, I felt that the art department made the background look far too busy.  I can?t remember the name of the woman in the middle, but she tended to blend in with the busy background, which was much too similar to her dress.

I couldn?t watch much of part one on BBC 2, but had a similar feeling about busy, colourful backgrounds clashing with some of the female musician?s dresses.

Alan



> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Just read that Harvey Proctor thinks the BBC should be censured for allowing it to be turned into a political event by allowing the audience to wave EU flags.
> 
>> On 10/09/2023 10:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>> That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!
>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>>> 
>>> Hugh Snape
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>>>> ?
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> 
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
> 
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> Dave Plowman
> London, SW
> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Sep 10 07:40:35 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:40:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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The only sensible response to that is "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"

And waving the Union Flag isn't political, then?

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:24, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Just read that Harvey Proctor thinks the BBC should be censured for allowing it to be turned into a political event by allowing the audience to wave EU flags.
> 
>> On 10/09/2023 10:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>> That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!
>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>>> 
>>> Hugh Snape
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>>>> ?
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 10 07:43:49 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:43:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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He?s about 7 years too late.

> On 10 Sep 2023, at 13:40, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The only sensible response to that is "Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?"
> 
> And waving the Union Flag isn't political, then?
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:24, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Just read that Harvey Proctor thinks the BBC should be censured for allowing it to be turned into a political event by allowing the audience to wave EU flags.
>> 
>>> On 10/09/2023 10:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>>> That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!
>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>>>> 
>>>> Hugh Snape
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
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>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dave Plowman
>> London, SW
>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 10 09:34:15 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:34:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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The pundits also suffered from the wandering wideshot plague that started with sport and now afflicts all known genres of television.

> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:54, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I gather that the EU flags were a protest against the impact that withdrawing from the EU has has on musicians touring in Europe. I can?t see how the BBC could be expected to confiscate flags of one type, or to avoid showing them.  It will obviously be used as a stick for certain types to knock the BBC, but those people would always find something to knock the BBC about anyway.
> 
> As for the Last Night of the Proms, technically is was done well as usual, but I did have two complaints with the programme.  Much as I adore Sandi Toksvig, I thought the contributions from the pundits was far too much.  It put me in mind of all those big football matches where the pundits desperately try to fill in time by talking for the sake of talking. I preferred the days when they would show a VT of a music related story connected with the Proms and then get the BBC presenter to ?ad lib? from his prepared script until the music resumed.
> 
> Also when it came to the pundit?s interlude, I felt that the art department made the background look far too busy.  I can?t remember the name of the woman in the middle, but she tended to blend in with the busy background, which was much too similar to her dress.
> 
> I couldn?t watch much of part one on BBC 2, but had a similar feeling about busy, colourful backgrounds clashing with some of the female musician?s dresses.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Just read that Harvey Proctor thinks the BBC should be censured for allowing it to be turned into a political event by allowing the audience to wave EU flags.
>> 
>>> On 10/09/2023 10:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>>> That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!
>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>>>> 
>>>> Hugh Snape
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dave Plowman
>> London, SW
>> 
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Sun Sep 10 09:47:58 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:47:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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That?s why I mostly listened on R3, the ?gaps? in the programme were far more atmospheric . . .

> On 10 Sep 2023, at 15:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The pundits also suffered from the wandering wideshot plague that started with sport and now afflicts all known genres of television.
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:54, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I gather that the EU flags were a protest against the impact that withdrawing from the EU has has on musicians touring in Europe. I can?t see how the BBC could be expected to confiscate flags of one type, or to avoid showing them.  It will obviously be used as a stick for certain types to knock the BBC, but those people would always find something to knock the BBC about anyway.
>> 
>> As for the Last Night of the Proms, technically is was done well as usual, but I did have two complaints with the programme.  Much as I adore Sandi Toksvig, I thought the contributions from the pundits was far too much.  It put me in mind of all those big football matches where the pundits desperately try to fill in time by talking for the sake of talking. I preferred the days when they would show a VT of a music related story connected with the Proms and then get the BBC presenter to ?ad lib? from his prepared script until the music resumed.
>> 
>> Also when it came to the pundit?s interlude, I felt that the art department made the background look far too busy.  I can?t remember the name of the woman in the middle, but she tended to blend in with the busy background, which was much too similar to her dress.
>> 
>> I couldn?t watch much of part one on BBC 2, but had a similar feeling about busy, colourful backgrounds clashing with some of the female musician?s dresses.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Just read that Harvey Proctor thinks the BBC should be censured for allowing it to be turned into a political event by allowing the audience to wave EU flags.
>>> 
>>>> On 10/09/2023 10:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!
>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hugh Snape
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dave Plowman
>>> London, SW
>>> 
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> 
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> Graeme Wall
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 10 09:50:41 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:50:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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Back in the days before digital you could watch the TV with the sound turned down and listen to R3, doesn?t work now with the various digital delays. See also test matches, or not as the case may be.


> On 10 Sep 2023, at 15:47, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
> 
> That?s why I mostly listened on R3, the ?gaps? in the programme were far more atmospheric . . .
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 15:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The pundits also suffered from the wandering wideshot plague that started with sport and now afflicts all known genres of television.
>> 
>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:54, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I gather that the EU flags were a protest against the impact that withdrawing from the EU has has on musicians touring in Europe. I can?t see how the BBC could be expected to confiscate flags of one type, or to avoid showing them.  It will obviously be used as a stick for certain types to knock the BBC, but those people would always find something to knock the BBC about anyway.
>>> 
>>> As for the Last Night of the Proms, technically is was done well as usual, but I did have two complaints with the programme.  Much as I adore Sandi Toksvig, I thought the contributions from the pundits was far too much.  It put me in mind of all those big football matches where the pundits desperately try to fill in time by talking for the sake of talking. I preferred the days when they would show a VT of a music related story connected with the Proms and then get the BBC presenter to ?ad lib? from his prepared script until the music resumed.
>>> 
>>> Also when it came to the pundit?s interlude, I felt that the art department made the background look far too busy.  I can?t remember the name of the woman in the middle, but she tended to blend in with the busy background, which was much too similar to her dress.
>>> 
>>> I couldn?t watch much of part one on BBC 2, but had a similar feeling about busy, colourful backgrounds clashing with some of the female musician?s dresses.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Just read that Harvey Proctor thinks the BBC should be censured for allowing it to be turned into a political event by allowing the audience to wave EU flags.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/09/2023 10:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!
>>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hugh Snape
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Dave Plowman
>>>> London, SW
>>>> 
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>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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>> 
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 

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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun Sep 10 10:38:49 2023
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:38:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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Once upon a time...?? the best of OB direction set out to recognise 
and,? where possible to enhance, the experience of 'you are there'.

Moving wideshots from cameras in positions that no one could physically 
replicate ruin any such concept.? Mind you, there was a time when we 
avoided zooms for the same reason.

But weren't the EU flags a JOY!? Where can I buy one - or two - please?

Hugh

On 10/09/2023 15:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> The pundits also suffered from the wandering wideshot plague that started with sport and now afflicts all known genres of television.
>
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:54, Alan Taylor via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> I gather that the EU flags were a protest against the impact that withdrawing from the EU has has on musicians touring in Europe. I can?t see how the BBC could be expected to confiscate flags of one type, or to avoid showing them.  It will obviously be used as a stick for certain types to knock the BBC, but those people would always find something to knock the BBC about anyway.
>>
>> As for the Last Night of the Proms, technically is was done well as usual, but I did have two complaints with the programme.  Much as I adore Sandi Toksvig, I thought the contributions from the pundits was far too much.  It put me in mind of all those big football matches where the pundits desperately try to fill in time by talking for the sake of talking. I preferred the days when they would show a VT of a music related story connected with the Proms and then get the BBC presenter to ?ad lib? from his prepared script until the music resumed.
>>
>> Also when it came to the pundit?s interlude, I felt that the art department made the background look far too busy.  I can?t remember the name of the woman in the middle, but she tended to blend in with the busy background, which was much too similar to her dress.
>>
>> I couldn?t watch much of part one on BBC 2, but had a similar feeling about busy, colourful backgrounds clashing with some of the female musician?s dresses.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 12:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Just read that Harvey Proctor thinks the BBC should be censured for allowing it to be turned into a political event by allowing the audience to wave EU flags.
>>>
>>>> On 10/09/2023 10:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> That surprised me, it?s one of the shots that stays on the crib cards from one season to the next!
>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 10:20, Hugh Snape<hughsnape at talktalk.net>  wrote:
>>>>> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hugh Snape
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> ?
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>> -- 
>>> Dave Plowman
>>> London, SW
>>>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 10 10:40:24 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:40:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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> On 10 Sep 2023, at 16:38, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> But weren't the EU flags a JOY!  Where can I buy one - or two - please?

Outside the Albert Hall!
? 
Graeme Wall




From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Sep 10 10:52:50 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:52:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
In-Reply-To: <2AF40F0E-21A5-4A97-A870-3A58EE58AD27@talktalk.net>
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Maybe I hadn't turned the level up high enough, but I thought the 
orchestra seemed a bit lacklustre and not very exciting.

And why do we have to have the Sports style pundits?

What has happened to the traditional bobbing-up-and down for the sea 
shanties?
I can only surmise that the promenarders are now so ancient that the 
knees, like mine
are beyond such violent exercise!

But I and friends agreed that the BBC Singers were great.

Pat H

On 10/09/2023 10:20, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
> It looked and sounded great, but a shame that there were no shots of the promenaders traditionally mock sobbing during Tom Bowling this time.
>
> Hugh Snape
>
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 09:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?Zoom in to instrument, defocus and mix, not just once but twice, Haven?t seen that in decades!
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Sep 10 10:55:24 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 16:55:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Sep 10 11:03:28 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:03:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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I do laugh (bitterly) at the amount of "buyers' remorse" being 
experienced, as the science, music, export, farming and other sectors 
become mired in the B mess.

Chris Woolf


On 10/09/2023 16:40, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 16:38, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> But weren't the EU flags a JOY!  Where can I buy one - or two - please?
> Outside the Albert Hall!
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>


From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 11:13:05 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:13:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Status of Tech-1 chat stream
Message-ID: <CAFdLG4wxog2poNYTwURzyGUKq7CzXo6bo4985W3Y_rYkxxaOZA@mail.gmail.com>

>From what I?ve seen of recent emails about the Last Night of the Proms
(which I didn?t watch myself), am I to conclude that Tech-1 is now
operational again? I would be wonderful if it is, as like the Disorganiseds
it would be good for that and the Announce stream to be kept going as
Bernie intended and in the case of the mail and perhaps the website too, he
generously funded for them to continue for years after he?d gone.
While I?m not technically astute enough to be able to fix and maintain the
mailing system or the website, I?m confident that in Paul and if needs be,
others, assuming they are willing, we have those who can.
I am willing to be the convener for the occasional lunches at the Horniman,
London Bridge if perhaps Barry Bonner would be for those at the Coach &
Horses, Ickenham which I know is closer to home and more convenient for
some of us,
Geoff Hawkes
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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Sun Sep 10 11:18:30 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:18:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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?It?s a shame the number of EU flags don?t replicate the dire straits the EU is in now economically?..but I digress.
I once had the honour of working on the Last Night way way back , 1983 I think,but it was in colour! My head cameraman was off sick I think ,so I was bumped up from number two to big boss for the night. This upgrade meant I had the pleasure of choosing which camera I could operate . As this was a once in a lifetime opportunity as the event was usually covered by London OB units, I decided to go for the wide camera square on to the stage in a box. Also the director offered me the choice of ? star filters ,yes or no? . He seemed pleased when I said no. The filters on the PC 80 cameras were not internal being a fairly new invention but were a large plastic circular sheet with engraved with lines to create the star effect. Ok for top of the pops I thought , but not this.
As the camera was located in a box I managed to get my wife in the hall to sit and watch next to me. During rehearsals a lady appeared in the box and asked if she could take photographs. She was called Ruth Rosenthal.
She said it was for a book the BBC were going to print called ? Inside BBC Television, a year behind the camera? , so later on I bought it and there I was on page 74 , looking very handsome( some say!) 
The final crowning moment was during the finale when I carefully eased off my ? dead cans? on the programme sound side , leaving the directors sound in the other ear. This was obviously so I could hear everything live, again a one off chance. 
I did get told off by the lighting director during rehearsals for pointing my camera up to look at the suspended sound deflectors. He shouted ? They are not lit? but the programme directors said ? Why not? as he liked the shot. I cannot remember if the reflectors were hastily lit or whether I could not use the shot during recording, but they were shown in later recordings!
Hopefully a pic below of me. Sorry about the flare!
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Sent from my iPad

> On 10 Sep 2023, at 16:41, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 16:38, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> But weren't the EU flags a JOY!  Where can I buy one - or two - please?
> 
> Outside the Albert Hall!
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Sun Sep 10 12:06:59 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 18:06:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Lst Night of the Proms
References: <9E69649D-47F2-40F5-8EA7-ACA9F680226F@sky.com>
Message-ID: <AD871ECD-0C85-4773-8433-1DBD7B24A4B4@sky.com>



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com>
> Date: 10 September 2023 at 17:18:30 BST
> To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
> Cc: Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com>, Tech ops <Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
> 
> ?It?s a shame the number of EU flags don?t replicate the dire straits the EU is in now economically?..but I digress.
> I once had the honour of working on the Last Night way way back , 1983 I think,but it was in colour! My head cameraman was off sick I think ,so I was bumped up from number two to big boss for the night. This upgrade meant I had the pleasure of choosing which camera I could operate . As this was a once in a lifetime opportunity as the event was usually covered by London OB units, I decided to go for the wide camera square on to the stage in a box. Also the director offered me the choice of ? star filters ,yes or no? . He seemed pleased when I said no. The filters on the PC 80 cameras were not internal being a fairly new invention but were a large plastic circular sheet with engraved with lines to create the star effect. Ok for top of the pops I thought , but not this.
> As the camera was located in a box I managed to get my wife in the hall to sit and watch next to me. During rehearsals a lady appeared in the box and asked if she could take photographs. She was called Ruth Rosenthal.
> She said it was for a book the BBC were going to print called ? Inside BBC Television, a year behind the camera? , so later on I bought it and there I was on page 74 , looking very handsome( some say!) 
> The final crowning moment was during the finale when I carefully eased off my ? dead cans? on the programme sound side , leaving the directors sound in the other ear. This was obviously so I could hear everything live, again a one off chance. 
> I did get told off by the lighting director during rehearsals for pointing my camera up to look at the suspended sound deflectors. He shouted ? They are not lit? but the programme directors said ? Why not? as he liked the shot. I cannot remember if the reflectors were hastily lit or whether I could not use the shot during recording, but they were shown in later recordings!
> Hopefully a pic below of me. Sorry about the flare!
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 16:41, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?
>>>> On 10 Sep 2023, at 16:38, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But weren't the EU flags a JOY!  Where can I buy one - or two - please?
>> 
>> Outside the Albert Hall!
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Sep 11 04:26:54 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 10:26:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lst Night of the Proms
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On 10/09/2023 18:06, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote:

<Also the director offered me the choice of ? star filters ,yes or no? . 
He seemed pleased when I said no. The filters on the PC 80 cameras were 
not internal being a fairly new invention >


Internal star flare filters were "invented" around 1968/9 - somewhere in 
the files I have the memo awarding me a princely sum for my idea. I 
installed the first prototypes in an EMI203 in TC4?? The earlier flare 
system was the greasy plate, and the flares changed with focus - the 
internal filter avoided that.

Chris Woolf




From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Sep 11 05:29:10 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:29:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lst Night of the Proms
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References: <9E69649D-47F2-40F5-8EA7-ACA9F680226F@sky.com>
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Ah, the dreaded AIDA!

> On 11 Sep 2023, at 10:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/09/2023 18:06, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> <Also the director offered me the choice of ? star filters ,yes or no? . He seemed pleased when I said no. The filters on the PC 80 cameras were not internal being a fairly new invention >
> 
> 
> Internal star flare filters were "invented" around 1968/9 - somewhere in the files I have the memo awarding me a princely sum for my idea. I installed the first prototypes in an EMI203 in TC4?  The earlier flare system was the greasy plate, and the flares changed with focus - the internal filter avoided that.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

? 
Graeme Wall




From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Sep 14 08:28:50 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 14:28:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
Message-ID: <a602c3d5-6352-2c42-e58f-5f9e15a7384d@amps.net>

Time for another comment!

his is as a result of a letter to the Feedcak pages of Radio Times.

A correspondent complained that the QuestionMaster of the current 
University Challenge
spoke too quickly for to be heard properly.

This seems to be a fault with numerous presenters who do not enunciate 
properly and clearly - have they had
ANY training whatsoever?

Has the Covid lockdown, computer Zoom, and panic reports from disaster 
areas led to audio conributions being crap?

'it's news, get it on the air...'

But then, there is not a dedicated sound person around, is there?

Pat H
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Sep 14 08:46:06 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 14:46:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
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Message-ID: <037b01d9e711$d0aeb0b0$720c1210$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Pat,

News ? yes few sound people about, 

 

But UC is not news. Its made by ITV for the BBC in the Media City Studios. It will have a Sound Supervisor and someone on the floor as a minimum.

 

Sound Supervisor currently is Jake Knott (Who I do not know) but has credits as Boom op back in 1993 and as a Sound Supervisor from 2000.  (See https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0461427/ )

 

He should have got it sussed by now..? 

 

(It will be sausage factory ? several eps per day, likely 5 days a week?)

Paul

 

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Pat Heigham via Tech1
Sent: 14 September 2023 14:29
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again

 

Time for another comment!

his is as a result of a letter to the Feedcak pages of Radio Times.

A correspondent complained that the QuestionMaster of the current University Challenge
spoke too quickly for to be heard properly.

This seems to be a fault with numerous presenters who do not enunciate properly and clearly - have they had
ANY training whatsoever?

Has the Covid lockdown, computer Zoom, and panic reports from disaster areas led to audio conributions being crap?

'it's news, get it on the air...'

But then, there is not a dedicated sound person around, is there?

Pat H

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From chrisandmarg at metronet.co.uk  Thu Sep 14 09:04:08 2023
From: chrisandmarg at metronet.co.uk (Christopher Pocock)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:04:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans
In-Reply-To: <F6BEFB6B952E4040A4094685EDF4B88B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Sad to hear of the passing of Mike and many others over the years.

However,? I am still going strong, well, reasonably so!

I did hear locally that recently Graham Beebee passed away. Some may 
remember him as a great sound guy and excellent musician who left the 
Beeb rather early because of his failing eyesight.

I hope to get to another 'disorganised lunch' sometime.

Chris Pocock

On 09/09/2023 23:53, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Can?t add to the info but I would imagine even third hand is likely 
> for real. Mike was a thoroughly decent chap, an almost exact 
> contemporary having been on TO 16, the course following mine. On his 
> course, amongst other notables, were Alec Bray, Mike Du Boulay, Dave 
> Hunter, Clive Stevens and Chris Pocock. These old TO Course photos are 
> a sad reminder of how many former colleagues are no longer with us.
> Alec kindly posted video reference details of Bernie?s funeral which I 
> watched earlier today. The ?extras? tacked on to a remarkable life by 
> those who spoke served to magnify still further Bernie?s already 
> acknowledged ability, knowledge and achievements as well as his 
> personal qualities of kindness, helpfulness and human decency. I envy 
> that he knew where he wanted to go and knew how to get there.
> I saw in the church at the start of the service Dudley, in quite 
> animated conversation, but didn?t see him later in the service. Being 
> such a fearfully hot day I hope he was ok.
> Best wishes to everyone,
> Dave Newbitt.
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Sep 14 09:53:34 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
In-Reply-To: <037b01d9e711$d0aeb0b0$720c1210$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <a602c3d5-6352-2c42-e58f-5f9e15a7384d@amps.net>
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Hi Paul,

Tanks for your reply,

My response to the Radio Times is here:

How I identify with Teresa Ruff?s letter (RT 16-22 Sep) regarding too 
fast verbal delivery.
Many presenters seem to gabble, today.
As a working sound recordist, one of my tasks was to monitor 
intelligibility. If I was unhappy, I would ask the director for another 
take, and explain why.
Sadly, today?s programme makers have dispensed with a dedicated sound 
man, to the detriment of quality material. ?Sound just happens, 
doesn?t?? No!!


We were taught (trained) to equalise speech delivery.
One of the worst offenders was/is Michael Buerk. When he ran out of 
breath at the end of a sentence, his voice level would drop, so a quick
fader adjustment was necessary.

I doubt that this care is carried out, now.

I realised a different attitude between feature films and documentary.

With the former, another take. In Docs, no chance of a retake. What you 
got at the time was IT!

A little blowing my own trumpet - working on a year long doc following 
McLaren Formua 1 team around:

You might like to read the attached!


Best

Pat




On 14/09/2023 14:46, Paul Thackray wrote:
>
> Pat,
>
> News ? yes few sound people about,
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 15:06:46 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 21:06:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
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References: <a602c3d5-6352-2c42-e58f-5f9e15a7384d@amps.net>
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I wholeheartedly agree with whoever complained about Amol Rajan?s tendency to speak too rapidly. I find the same when he presents the Today programme on Radio4, often at near jabbering speed and compressing the syllables. I have to listen hard to catch what he?s saying, something I don?t want to have to do at that time of the morning, if ever. When he?s in vision, you can see that he doesn?t shape the words fully by watching his mouth. What happened to any form of presenter training or managerial oversight of the sort we were subjected to when we were there?
I have thought of writing to Radio Times myself about it but thought they wouldn?t publish it as he appears to be flavour of the month with management at the moment am am gratified to know that at least one other person is of the same opinion about his performance,
Geoff

> On 14 Sep 2023, at 14:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Time for another comment!
> 
> his is as a result of a letter to the Feedcak pages of Radio Times.
> 
> A correspondent complained that the QuestionMaster of the current University Challenge
> spoke too quickly for to be heard properly.
> 
> This seems to be a fault with numerous presenters who do not enunciate properly and clearly - have they had
> ANY training whatsoever?
> 
> Has the Covid lockdown, computer Zoom, and panic reports from disaster areas led to audio conributions being crap?
> 
> 'it's news, get it on the air...'
> 
> But then, there is not a dedicated sound person around, is there?
> 
> Pat H
> 
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Sep 15 05:53:14 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 11:53:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
In-Reply-To: <9B8E8A22-9180-43DD-9165-79696062101A@gmail.com>
References: <a602c3d5-6352-2c42-e58f-5f9e15a7384d@amps.net>
	<9B8E8A22-9180-43DD-9165-79696062101A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90c5f514-ccac-949a-0feb-e498d56c29fd@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Everyone I know says the same thing - Rajan cannot annunciate English at 
all - rattles away and is utterly unintelligible.

I suspect nobody has the nerve to tell him he's awful!


Chris Woolf


On 14/09/2023 21:06, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> I wholeheartedly agree with whoever complained about Amol Rajan?s 
> tendency to speak too rapidly. I find the same when he presents the 
> Today programme on Radio4, often at near jabbering speed and 
> compressing the syllables. I have to listen hard to catch what he?s 
> saying, something I don?t want to have to do at that time of the 
> morning, if ever. When he?s in vision, you can see that he doesn?t 
> shape the words fully by watching his mouth. What happened to any form 
> of presenter training or managerial oversight of the sort we were 
> subjected to when we were there?
> I have thought of writing to Radio Times myself about it but thought 
> they wouldn?t publish it as he appears to be flavour of the month with 
> management at the moment am am gratified to know that at least one 
> other person is of the same opinion about his performance,
> Geoff
>
>> On 14 Sep 2023, at 14:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Time for another comment!
>>
>> his is as a result of a letter to the Feedcak pages of Radio Times.
>>
>> A correspondent complained that the QuestionMaster of the current 
>> University Challenge
>> spoke too quickly for to be heard properly.
>>
>> This seems to be a fault with numerous presenters who do not 
>> enunciate properly and clearly - have they had
>> ANY training whatsoever?
>>
>> Has the Covid lockdown, computer Zoom, and panic reports from 
>> disaster areas led to audio conributions being crap?
>>
>> 'it's news, get it on the air...'
>>
>> But then, there is not a dedicated sound person around, is there?
>>
>> Pat H
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Fri Sep 15 06:13:00 2023
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:13:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
Message-ID: <9gd56i5o6q07g2mrcd2ee170.1694776380831@email.android.com>

Totally agree. It used to be one of our favourite programmes, but now we never watch it

Doug Puddifoot

PS I did not get any Tech-Ops emails for a months, but they now seem to be back to normal. My thanks to whoever got it working again.
D

On 15 September 2023, at 11:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Everyone I know says the same thing - Rajan cannot annunciate English at all - rattles away and is utterly unintelligible.

I suspect nobody has the nerve to tell him he's awful!


Chris Woolf


On 14/09/2023 21:06, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:

I wholeheartedly agree with whoever complained about Amol Rajan?s tendency to speak too rapidly. I find the same when he presents the Today programme on Radio4, often at near jabbering speed and compressing the syllables. I have to listen hard to catch what he?s saying, something I don?t want to have to do at that time of the morning, if ever. When he?s in vision, you can see that he doesn?t shape the words fully by watching his mouth. What happened to any form of presenter training or managerial oversight of the sort we were subjected to when we were there? 

I have thought of writing to Radio Times myself about it but thought they wouldn?t publish it as he appears to be flavour of the month with management at the moment am am gratified to know that at least one other person is of the same opinion about his performance,
Geoff


On 14 Sep 2023, at 14:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 

Time for another comment!

his is as a result of a letter to the Feedcak pages of Radio Times.

A correspondent complained that the QuestionMaster of the current University Challenge
spoke too quickly for to be heard properly.

This seems to be a fault with numerous presenters who do not enunciate properly and clearly - have they had
ANY training whatsoever?

Has the Covid lockdown, computer Zoom, and panic reports from disaster areas led to audio conributions being crap?

'it's news, get it on the air...'

But then, there is not a dedicated sound person around, is there?

Pat H

-- 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Sep 15 06:49:13 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:49:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
In-Reply-To: <9gd56i5o6q07g2mrcd2ee170.1694776380831@email.android.com>
References: <9gd56i5o6q07g2mrcd2ee170.1694776380831@email.android.com>
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Sep 15 07:44:12 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 13:44:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
In-Reply-To: <0A7034C4-EFA2-48AE-8089-E3D7285FEF83@mac.com>
References: <9gd56i5o6q07g2mrcd2ee170.1694776380831@email.android.com>
	<0A7034C4-EFA2-48AE-8089-E3D7285FEF83@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B2B39BE-99DE-4F52-A894-C997F63CFBD3@talktalk.net>

However, he?s rather more human than Bamber or Jeremy, and, I think, the atmosphere is somewhat more relaxed and lighthearted than formally . . .

Hugh

> On 15 Sep 2023, at 12:49, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Strangely, I don?t have the problem with him, but I did correct his use of English on the Today programme once - and he replied, agreeing with my point!
> 
> Perhaps those used to listening to Graham Haines would be less troubled!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2023, at 12:14, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Totally agree. It used to be one of our favourite programmes, but now we never watch it
>> 
>> Doug Puddifoot
>> 
>> PS I did not get any Tech-Ops emails for a months, but they now seem to be back to normal. My thanks to whoever got it working again.
>> D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 September 2023, at 11:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Everyone I know says the same thing - Rajan cannot annunciate English at all - rattles away and is utterly unintelligible.
>> 
>> I suspect nobody has the nerve to tell him he's awful!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/09/2023 21:06, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I wholeheartedly agree with whoever complained about Amol Rajan?s tendency to speak too rapidly. I find the same when he presents the Today programme on Radio4, often at near jabbering speed and compressing the syllables. I have to listen hard to catch what he?s saying, something I don?t want to have to do at that time of the morning, if ever. When he?s in vision, you can see that he doesn?t shape the words fully by watching his mouth. What happened to any form of presenter training or managerial oversight of the sort we were subjected to when we were there?
>>> I have thought of writing to Radio Times myself about it but thought they wouldn?t publish it as he appears to be flavour of the month with management at the moment am am gratified to know that at least one other person is of the same opinion about his performance,
>>> Geoff
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Sep 2023, at 14:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Time for another comment!
>>>> 
>>>> his is as a result of a letter to the Feedcak pages of Radio Times.
>>>> 
>>>> A correspondent complained that the QuestionMaster of the current University Challenge
>>>> spoke too quickly for to be heard properly.
>>>> 
>>>> This seems to be a fault with numerous presenters who do not enunciate properly and clearly - have they had
>>>> ANY training whatsoever?
>>>> 
>>>> Has the Covid lockdown, computer Zoom, and panic reports from disaster areas led to audio conributions being crap?
>>>> 
>>>> 'it's news, get it on the air...'
>>>> 
>>>> But then, there is not a dedicated sound person around, is there?
>>>> 
>>>> Pat H
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk <http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> -- 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 07:58:23 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 13:58:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
Message-ID: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>

Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to stand 
the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For example, if 
it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the value.
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri Sep 15 08:14:37 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:14:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
In-Reply-To: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
References: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0331e9ca-1851-0e63-059f-889edc8156ef@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Dave,

I buy a lot China (AliExpress).

As far as I know, yes, you have to pay for return postage.

On the odd occasion were there's an issue, I normally open a dispute and 
get the item refunded or reduced.  If it's my fault (I didn't select the 
correct option), then I normally check it and accept it's my mistake.


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk

On 15/09/2023 13:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to stand 
> the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For example, if 
> it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the value.


From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri Sep 15 08:25:43 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:25:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
In-Reply-To: <9gd56i5o6q07g2mrcd2ee170.1694776380831@email.android.com>
References: <9gd56i5o6q07g2mrcd2ee170.1694776380831@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <e0fda0fc-2aa1-05eb-8f67-46d9fcb0e08d@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Doug,

Regarding:-
 > PS I did not get any Tech-Ops emails for a months

I agree, thank you, whoever got the list back up and running.


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk

On 15/09/2023 12:13, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> Totally agree. It used to be one of our favourite programmes, but now we 
> never watch it
> 
> Doug Puddifoot
> 
> PS I did not get any Tech-Ops emails for a months, but they now seem to 
> be back to normal. My thanks to whoever got it working again.
> D
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 September 2023, at 11:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Everyone I know says the same thing - Rajan cannot annunciate English at 
> all - rattles away and is utterly unintelligible.
> 
> I suspect nobody has the nerve to tell him he's awful!
> 
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> On 14/09/2023 21:06, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>> I wholeheartedly agree with whoever complained about Amol Rajan?s 
>> tendency to speak too rapidly. I find the same when he presents the 
>> Today programme on Radio4, often at near jabbering speed and 
>> compressing the syllables. I have to listen hard to catch what he?s 
>> saying, something I don?t want to have to do at that time of the 
>> morning, if ever. When he?s in vision, you can see that he doesn?t 
>> shape the words fully by watching his mouth. What happened to any form 
>> of presenter training or managerial oversight of the sort we were 
>> subjected to when we were there?
>> I have thought of writing to Radio Times myself about it but thought 
>> they wouldn?t publish it as he appears to be flavour of the month with 
>> management at the moment am am gratified to know that at least one 
>> other person is of the same opinion about his performance,
>> Geoff
>>
>>> On 14 Sep 2023, at 14:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Time for another comment!
>>>
>>> his is as a result of a letter to the Feedcak pages of Radio Times.
>>>
>>> A correspondent complained that the QuestionMaster of the current 
>>> University Challenge
>>> spoke too quickly for to be heard properly.
>>>
>>> This seems to be a fault with numerous presenters who do not 
>>> enunciate properly and clearly - have they had
>>> ANY training whatsoever?
>>>
>>> Has the Covid lockdown, computer Zoom, and panic reports from 
>>> disaster areas led to audio conributions being crap?
>>>
>>> 'it's news, get it on the air...'
>>>
>>> But then, there is not a dedicated sound person around, is there?
>>>
>>> Pat H
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
> 


From waresound at msn.com  Fri Sep 15 09:02:40 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 16:02:40 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
In-Reply-To: <4B2B39BE-99DE-4F52-A894-C997F63CFBD3@talktalk.net>
References: <4B2B39BE-99DE-4F52-A894-C997F63CFBD3@talktalk.net>
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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Fri Sep 15 09:12:13 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:12:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
In-Reply-To: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
References: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1155FD80-D239-4B76-A762-E02375D5E40E@sky.com>

If you get it from ebay they have a guarantee and in my experience if you are unhappy with something from China via them you can register a dispute and one way or another get your money back. With small items they don?t usually ask for a return.
It usually says on the page you buy from what the conditions are regarding whether returns are allowed.

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Sep 2023, at 13:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to stand the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For example, if it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the value.
> -- 
> Dave Plowman
> London, SW
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Sep 15 09:35:25 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:35:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
In-Reply-To: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
References: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A12CE683-09B7-4FCA-BB7E-3727F86B7A4E@talktalk.net>

I had that problem with something Chinese I bought from Amazon. The makers wanted it sent back to China, but Amazon advised that in such cases a British returns address must be provided. As the latter was not the case I got a full refund and kept the goods . . .

Hugh

> On 15 Sep 2023, at 13:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to stand the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For example, if it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the value.
> -- 
> Dave Plowman
> London, SW
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Sep 15 09:36:59 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:36:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB1604BF1D5E95AD641C339251A7F6A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <4B2B39BE-99DE-4F52-A894-C997F63CFBD3@talktalk.net>
	<AM9P191MB1604BF1D5E95AD641C339251A7F6A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <A14634AF-F974-4D90-B8CD-CBB0BF60640D@talktalk.net>

Ha, well spotted, I meant formerly of course, perhaps it was a Freudian slip of the fingers . . .

HS

> On 15 Sep 2023, at 15:02, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Interesting ambiguous use of ?formally? ! ?
> (Actually this is just a test to see if I?m still on the system).
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2023, at 14:44, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> However, he?s rather more human than Bamber or Jeremy, and, I think, the atmosphere is somewhat more relaxed and lighthearted than formally . . .
>> 
>> Hugh
>> 
>>> On 15 Sep 2023, at 12:49, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Strangely, I don?t have the problem with him, but I did correct his use of English on the Today programme once - and he replied, agreeing with my point!
>>> 
>>> Perhaps those used to listening to Graham Haines would be less troubled!
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Sep 2023, at 12:14, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Totally agree. It used to be one of our favourite programmes, but now we never watch it
>>>> 
>>>> Doug Puddifoot
>>>> 
>>>> PS I did not get any Tech-Ops emails for a months, but they now seem to be back to normal. My thanks to whoever got it working again.
>>>> D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 15 September 2023, at 11:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Everyone I know says the same thing - Rajan cannot annunciate English at all - rattles away and is utterly unintelligible.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect nobody has the nerve to tell him he's awful!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 14/09/2023 21:06, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> I wholeheartedly agree with whoever complained about Amol Rajan?s tendency to speak too rapidly. I find the same when he presents the Today programme on Radio4, often at near jabbering speed and compressing the syllables. I have to listen hard to catch what he?s saying, something I don?t want to have to do at that time of the morning, if ever. When he?s in vision, you can see that he doesn?t shape the words fully by watching his mouth. What happened to any form of presenter training or managerial oversight of the sort we were subjected to when we were there?
>>>>> I have thought of writing to Radio Times myself about it but thought they wouldn?t publish it as he appears to be flavour of the month with management at the moment am am gratified to know that at least one other person is of the same opinion about his performance,
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 Sep 2023, at 14:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Time for another comment!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> his is as a result of a letter to the Feedcak pages of Radio Times.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A correspondent complained that the QuestionMaster of the current University Challenge
>>>>>> spoke too quickly for to be heard properly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This seems to be a fault with numerous presenters who do not enunciate properly and clearly - have they had
>>>>>> ANY training whatsoever?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has the Covid lockdown, computer Zoom, and panic reports from disaster areas led to audio conributions being crap?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 'it's news, get it on the air...'
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But then, there is not a dedicated sound person around, is there?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pat H
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk <http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Sep 15 09:45:39 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:45:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
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The returns policy is usually stated when you order.

I?ve bought a few things from eBay which turned out to be unsuitable and was then sent a prepaid label to return it, which meant that I didn?t have to pay anything at all once my credit card had been refunded in full. In one case it was entirely my fault because I ordered a circular saw blade which was the wrong size.  They took it back, paid the postage each way and still gave me a full refund.  Needless to say, I?ve dealt with them several times since because they gave terrific customer service.

However that was with a British trader and I would expect that different rules might apply when dealing with China.  Generally speaking, I try to avoid buying from Chinese dealers, even though it can be very much cheaper.  One of the drawbacks is uncertainty over returns.

On eBay, a lot of Chinese companies show a Chinese address as their trading address, but state that they ship from somewhere in the UK.  I would imagine that returns would be made to that same place, but I?ve never had occasion to try.

Small eBay traders in Britain sometimes state that returns have to be made at the customer?s expense. Read the small print to see what their particular returns policy is.

Alan


> On 15 Sep 2023, at 13:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to stand the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For example, if it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the value.
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Sep 15 09:50:30 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:50:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
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As I understand it, your contract is with whoever you bought it from, but if that was, say, Amazon Market place then it could be a gray area.

     If it goes via Amazon, I don't know the situation.

But if it's Fred Bloggs in Barnstaple, he's the one to target, and be firm.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 15 Sep 2023, at 13:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to stand the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For example, if it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the value.
> -- 
> Dave Plowman
> London, SW
> 
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri Sep 15 09:53:57 2023
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 16:53:57 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Sep 15 09:54:12 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:54:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
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Times are a?changing! Have a look at what Cedar VoiceEX can do. With upcoming quantum computing and the inevitable use of AI, it?s only a matter of time until it?ll be possible to replace a mumbling actor?s voice with another one altogether, even live.
And by the way, much as I disapprove, there are plenty of cameramen capable of delivering good quality sound without a sound bod with them. I don?t have a problem with fast speech, but can?t cope with muffled buried personal mics on almost any drama you care to mention. Soaps like Eastenders can do it well, so why not big budget drama?
I?m going to be fascinated to watch Casualty tomorrow, which says it?s entirely improvised and unscripted. I thought it always had been!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

On 14 Sep 2023, at 16:54, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Hi Paul,

Tanks for your reply,

My response to the Radio Times is here:

How I identify with Teresa Ruff?s letter (RT 16-22 Sep) regarding too fast verbal delivery.
Many presenters seem to gabble, today.
As a working sound recordist, one of my tasks was to monitor intelligibility. If I was unhappy, I would ask the director for another take, and explain why.
Sadly, today?s programme makers have dispensed with a dedicated sound man, to the detriment of quality material. ?Sound just happens, doesn?t?? No!!


We were taught (trained) to equalise speech delivery.
One of the worst offenders was/is Michael Buerk. When he ran out of breath at the end of a sentence, his voice level would drop, so a quick
fader adjustment was necessary.

I doubt that this care is carried out, now.

I realised a different attitude between feature films and documentary.

With the former, another take. In Docs, no chance of a retake. What you got at the time was IT!

A little blowing my own trumpet - working on a year long doc following McLaren Formua 1 team around:

You might like to read the attached!


Best

Pat




On 14/09/2023 14:46, Paul Thackray wrote:

Pat,

News ? yes few sound people about,

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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 10:31:20 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 16:31:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
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As it happens it was bought direct from the UK supplier. I'm lucky in 
that I don't have many warranty failures, so was slightly surprised to 
find out that claiming on that warranty has a cost to me. Although I 
suppose taking something back to a shop costs too if you have to make a 
special journey.

On 15/09/2023 15:50, Alasdair Lawrance wrote:
> As I understand it, your contract is with whoever you bought it from, but if that was, say, Amazon Market place then it could be a gray area.
> 
>       If it goes via Amazon, I don't know the situation.
> 
> But if it's Fred Bloggs in Barnstaple, he's the one to target, and be firm.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2023, at 13:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to stand the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For example, if it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the value.
>> -- 
>> Dave Plowman
>> London, SW
>>
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

-- 
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London, SW


From waresound at msn.com  Fri Sep 15 10:46:25 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:46:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB16046CD790908AC670CE0FCAA7F6A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

By the way, Greetings from (usually) sunny Menorca.
Yesterday lunchtime, almost without warning the blackest cloud imaginable approached, followed by 20 minutes of literally the heaviest rainfall I?ve ever seen, and only another 20 minutes after that we were on the beach with bright sunshine and 34*C. Strange unpredictable times!
[cid:c69ae07e-483d-41ca-bb03-80b5484b455b at EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM]

Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Sep 15 11:11:59 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:11:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
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I?m amazed at the service you get from some suppliers.  Nearly a year ago I bought a 22.5W rechargeable power bank for mobile phones and tablets.  It had one USB C input/output and two USB outlets, so it seemed like a good option for future requirements.  That was until it died. It simply stopped working, no display, no output.

I wrote to the supplier explaining what happened and without the slightest quibble, they immediately sent out a brand new one without wanting the old one back.  That?s another supplier I have used again after such great after sales service.

A job for the winter, when I might have a bit of free time will be to see if the old power bank can be fixed.  Faults where something is either dead or alive are often straightforward to repair. Hopefully it?s just a faulty joint or burnt out PCB track.

Alan


> On 15 Sep 2023, at 16:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Y
> ?As it happens it was bought direct from the UK supplier. I'm lucky in that I don't have many warranty failures, so was slightly surprised to find out that claiming on that warranty has a cost to me. Although I suppose taking something back to a shop costs too if you have to make a special journey.
> 
>> On 15/09/2023 15:50, Alasdair Lawrance wrote:
>> As I understand it, your contract is with whoever you bought it from, but if that was, say, Amazon Market place then it could be a gray area.
>>      If it goes via Amazon, I don't know the situation.
>> But if it's Fred Bloggs in Barnstaple, he's the one to target, and be firm.
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>> On 15 Sep 2023, at 13:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to stand the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For example, if it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the value.
>>> -- 
>>> Dave Plowman
>>> London, SW
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> -- 
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> London, SW
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Sep 15 11:52:20 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:52:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine
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A couple of weeks ago we were having a driving holiday in Germany.  In Bavaria, we spent a Saturday up a mountain in bright sunshine with totally clear blue skies.  Then an hour later we got caught in the mother of all hailstorms. Hailstones of 20-30mm diameter, together with very strong winds.

Janet?s car took a hell of a battering. This is part of the bonnet, the roof is just as bad, if not worse.  The insurance people are currently dealing with it. The bonnet alone had over 120 dents. The dents don?t show up particularly well in the photograph.  The guy who inspected it brought along what looks like a small Lastolite reflector, but with fine black stripes on it.  Viewing the striped fabric reflected in the paintwork revealed just how many dents there were.



I shot a video of it from inside the car while it was happening. It was quite incredible, visually and audibly.  The hailstones also smashed most of the vegetation off the trees, which left the roads looking pea green, due to a mixture of shredded leaves and hailstones. It was very hazardous to drive on too after the storm had passed.  Lots of trees were blown down, some crushing cars. We made sure that when we stopped during the storm, we were not under a tree.  Motor cyclists had a particularly bad time.  Most of the times where we saw an ambulance called out, it was for a motor cyclist.

This pic shows some of the hailstones.  Centre bottom is a crater from a big one crashing down and there are a couple of other smaller ones in the middle of the shot.



Hundreds of other cars were damaged too.  Some very much worse than ours. The next day, every village garage nearby had loads of cars wrapped in plastic sheeting, waiting for replacement glass.  There was a Tesla where the panoramic glass roof had been completely smashed in. The garages themselves had damaged roofs too.

The houses in the local villages were seriously damaged.  The fire brigade spent all night and the next day putting tarps over the roofs of houses and businesses. In some villages I couldn?t see any houses at all without tarpaulins on the roof.

Then an hour after the storm it was sunny again and we had dinner outside a restaurant on another warm, calm evening.

Alan


> On 15 Sep 2023, at 16:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> By the way, Greetings from (usually) sunny Menorca.
> Yesterday lunchtime, almost without warning the blackest cloud imaginable approached, followed by 20 minutes of literally the heaviest rainfall I?ve ever seen, and only another 20 minutes after that we were on the beach with bright sunshine and 34*C. Strange unpredictable times!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Sep 15 12:19:49 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:19:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine
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Veering off thread but at least by way of holiday greetings. Attached 
image of a Truro shop front caught my eye. All in the best possible 
taste.
Dave Newbitt.

On 15/09/2023 16:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> By the way, Greetings from (usually) sunny Menorca.
> Yesterday lunchtime, almost without warning the blackest cloud
> imaginable approached, followed by 20 minutes of literally the
> heaviest rainfall I?ve ever seen, and only another 20 minutes after
> that we were on the beach with bright sunshine and 34*C. Strange
> unpredictable times!
> [cid:c69ae07e-483d-41ca-bb03-80b5484b455b at EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM]
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Sep 15 14:19:14 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:19:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine
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Better not comment or I?ll never be allowed across the Saltash bridge again!

> On 15 Sep 2023, at 18:19, dnewbitt--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Veering off thread but at least by way of holiday greetings. Attached image of a Truro shop front caught my eye. All in the best possible taste.
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> On 15/09/2023 16:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> By the way, Greetings from (usually) sunny Menorca.
>> Yesterday lunchtime, almost without warning the blackest cloud
>> imaginable approached, followed by 20 minutes of literally the
>> heaviest rainfall I?ve ever seen, and only another 20 minutes after
>> that we were on the beach with bright sunshine and 34*C. Strange
>> unpredictable times!
>> [cid:c69ae07e-483d-41ca-bb03-80b5484b455b at EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM]
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> <DSC05090.JPG>-- 
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? 
Graeme Wall




From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Sep 15 16:11:19 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 22:11:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine
In-Reply-To: <26343818-03A3-4743-89D4-FBACAA81082A@icloud.com>
References: <AM9P191MB16046CD790908AC670CE0FCAA7F6A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Perhaps Graeme you'd be better off with the nearby hairdresser trading 
as "Fatboy trims".
Dave Newbitt.

On 15/09/2023 20:19, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> Better not comment or I?ll never be allowed across the Saltash bridge 
> again!
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2023, at 18:19, dnewbitt--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Veering off thread but at least by way of holiday greetings. Attached 
>> image of a Truro shop front caught my eye. All in the best possible 
>> taste.
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> On 15/09/2023 16:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>> By the way, Greetings from (usually) sunny Menorca.
>>> Yesterday lunchtime, almost without warning the blackest cloud
>>> imaginable approached, followed by 20 minutes of literally the
>>> heaviest rainfall I?ve ever seen, and only another 20 minutes after
>>> that we were on the beach with bright sunshine and 34*C. Strange
>>> unpredictable times!
>>> [cid:c69ae07e-483d-41ca-bb03-80b5484b455b at EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM]
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>> <DSC05090.JPG>--
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> ?
> Graeme Wall


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Sep 16 03:30:49 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 09:30:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan time - again
In-Reply-To: <4B2B39BE-99DE-4F52-A894-C997F63CFBD3@talktalk.net>
References: <9gd56i5o6q07g2mrcd2ee170.1694776380831@email.android.com>
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On the subject of presenters:

Who's going to anchor the RAH Festival of Remembrance, this year?

Won't be Huw, after the cupboard has opened up to the skeletons.

Maybe Clive Myrie? He has a good voice and displays the required gravitas?

On another tack:
It's a shame that the International Horse Show seems to have been 
discontinued,
the horsemanship demonstrated by the D'Inzeo brothers was to be truly 
admired.
Also the Royal Tournament - I worked on a doco prior to the very last 
one - having
a mob of Maori guys in full Haka warpaint charging at one was somewhat 
unnerving!

Pat H


On 15/09/2023 13:44, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
> However, he?s rather more human than Bamber or Jeremy, and, I think, 
> the atmosphere is somewhat more relaxed and lighthearted than formally 
> . . .
>
> Hugh
>
>> On 15 Sep 2023, at 12:49, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Strangely, I don?t have the problem with him, but I did correct his 
>> use of English on the Today programme once - and he replied, agreeing 
>> with my point!
>>
>> Perhaps those used to listening to Graham Haines would be less troubled!
>>
>> Mike G
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Sep 16 04:24:47 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 10:24:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
In-Reply-To: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
References: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70a59525-e1f7-4218-0db0-2978eddbbcc0@amps.net>

I think that you have to read the T & C small print to see what the 
supplier's policy is regarding returns.

I sent something back to Amazon, they e-mailed me a postage paid label 
to print out.

Otherwise I think that one has to pay the return fee.

I mistakenly bought a Samsung 55" TV but without even unwrapping it, 
realised that it was too large for my needs.

DHL delivered it, but would not accept it for return, as it was 'oversize'!

UPS the same, so was forced into Parcelforce, who cheerfully charged me ?60!

(the supplier was a BT offer).

So - still happy with my Sony Bravia 32", or, being a little bit 
bedbound with various afflictions,
watch on a Samsung 22" on my bedside table. Also with a very small, neat 
BluRay player which
handles all regions.

Pat H

On 15/09/2023 13:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

> Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to 
> stand the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For 
> example, if it came from China, the return costs could well exceed the 
> value.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Sep 16 04:40:24 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 10:40:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine Could be Nick's Perfect Storm!
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB16046CD790908AC670CE0FCAA7F6A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM9P191MB16046CD790908AC670CE0FCAA7F6A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <169444c1-d34e-2980-e118-44612dde17b1@amps.net>

Having lived in Singapore for two years, monsoon rains were frequently 
experienced.

There were deepish rain channels which were designed to dispose of the 
downfall, and provided
an excellent place to float my model boats

The tale posted by Alan is horrendous, but gives rise to an awful pun:

"What's the weather like in Rome?"

"Hail, Caesar!"

Pat H

On 15/09/2023 16:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> By the way, Greetings from (usually) sunny Menorca.
> Yesterday lunchtime, almost without warning the blackest cloud 
> imaginable approached, followed by 20 minutes of literally the 
> heaviest rainfall I?ve ever seen, and only another 20 minutes after 
> that we were on the beach with bright sunshine and 34*C. Strange 
> unpredictable times!
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Sep 16 04:48:57 2023
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 10:48:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail Order
In-Reply-To: <70a59525-e1f7-4218-0db0-2978eddbbcc0@amps.net>
References: <f76f7f03-14c7-8f61-7f30-6b8b1a67b56c@gmail.com>
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Pat, the UK has a sale of goods act. And there is a big difference 
between returning something you ordered incorrectly and a warranty claim.

On 16/09/2023 10:24, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I think that you have to read the T & C small print to see what the 
> supplier's policy is regarding returns.
>
> I sent something back to Amazon, they e-mailed me a postage paid label 
> to print out.
>
> Otherwise I think that one has to pay the return fee.
>
> I mistakenly bought a Samsung 55" TV but without even unwrapping it, 
> realised that it was too large for my needs.
>
> DHL delivered it, but would not accept it for return, as it was 
> 'oversize'!
>
> UPS the same, so was forced into Parcelforce, who cheerfully charged 
> me ?60!
>
> (the supplier was a BT offer).
>
> So - still happy with my Sony Bravia 32", or, being a little bit 
> bedbound with various afflictions,
> watch on a Samsung 22" on my bedside table. Also with a very small, 
> neat BluRay player which
> handles all regions.
>
> Pat H
>
> On 15/09/2023 13:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> Just curious. If you buy something mail order, are you expected to 
>> stand the costs of returning it, if it fails under warranty? For 
>> example, if it came from China, the return costs could well exceed 
>> the value.
>
-- 
Dave P                                                             London
                                                                      SW
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Sep 16 05:38:54 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 11:38:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine Could be Nick's Perfect Storm!
In-Reply-To: <169444c1-d34e-2980-e118-44612dde17b1@amps.net>
References: <169444c1-d34e-2980-e118-44612dde17b1@amps.net>
Message-ID: <CF0B1892-46AE-4FE0-B2A1-8395BB7B5148@me.com>

I?ve witnessed monsoon rain in Bangkok.  The amount of rain which fell was astonishing.  The road outside the hotel was flooded two feet deep in just an hour or two.

Hotel staff warned us not to wade through the flooded roads ( not that we planned to ). One danger was that manhole covers sometimes get swept away, leaving a hole for the unwary to fall into.  The other danger was crocodiles, which swim through the flooded streets.

We were a bit skeptical about the crocodile story, but they insisted that it was true and that a couple of years ago, police marksmen positioned themselves on the hotel balconies to shoot any passing crocodiles.  This seemed to be a laughably absurd story, but they showed us newspaper clippings with photographs to verify it.

There was also an amusing arrival at the hotel.  The entrance was on slightly higher ground than the road.  The road was well and truly flooded, but a Mercedes limo drove slowly through the floods and deliver the occupants to the hotel.  When the chauffeur opened the door, a huge amount of water poured out.

Alan


> On 16 Sep 2023, at 10:41, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Having lived in Singapore for two years, monsoon rains were frequently experienced.
> 
> There were deepish rain channels which were designed to dispose of the downfall, and provided
> an excellent place to float my model boats
> 
> The tale posted by Alan is horrendous, but gives rise to an awful pun:
> 
> "What's the weather like in Rome?"
> 
> "Hail, Caesar!"
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 15/09/2023 16:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> By the way, Greetings from (usually) sunny Menorca.
>> Yesterday lunchtime, almost without warning the blackest cloud imaginable approached, followed by 20 minutes of literally the heaviest rainfall I?ve ever seen, and only another 20 minutes after that we were on the beach with bright sunshine and 34*C. Strange unpredictable times!
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Sep 16 05:41:12 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 11:41:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine Could be Nick's Perfect Storm!
In-Reply-To: <169444c1-d34e-2980-e118-44612dde17b1@amps.net>
References: <AM9P191MB16046CD790908AC670CE0FCAA7F6A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Shades of Carry on Cleo!

> On 16 Sep 2023, at 10:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> "Hail, Caesar!"
> 


? 
Graeme Wall




From david.jasma at sky.com  Sat Sep 16 06:14:02 2023
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 12:14:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine Could be Nick's Perfect Storm!
In-Reply-To: <80B4C536-95F3-4A7A-9303-499B72F9FC15@icloud.com>
References: <AM9P191MB16046CD790908AC670CE0FCAA7F6A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<80B4C536-95F3-4A7A-9303-499B72F9FC15@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <6d97dee1-a2d7-9b3f-e866-c2e0d02f196d@sky.com>

Also in Cary on Cleo...

(Kenneth Williams) "Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me."

(the line was actually written by Frank Muir and Dennis Norden for a 
radio show. The producers of
Carry on Cleo asked permission to use the joke).

Dave Buckley


From david.jasma at sky.com  Sat Sep 16 06:20:04 2023
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 12:20:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Further to my last email...
References: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b@sky.com>

I included a quiz on lines from TV shows and films in a couple of 
newsletters that I edit, from which I took the line included in my last 
email.

I thought the members of this group, having worked in TV and film, would 
like to have a go at the whole quiz!!


Can you identify the film and TV shows from the following lines??.

1. Four candles
2. (What about the Sun Readers?) Sun readers don?t care who runs the 
country so long as she has big tits!
3. Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once -
4. We?re doomed!
5. I can?t believe it!
6. I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order!
7. I?m free!
8. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy.
9. Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me.
10. Don?t mention the war.
11. Everybody out!
12. Beam me up, Scotty.


Dave Buckley


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Sep 16 06:42:10 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 12:42:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Come rain or shine A Hong Kong story
In-Reply-To: <CF0B1892-46AE-4FE0-B2A1-8395BB7B5148@me.com>
References: <169444c1-d34e-2980-e118-44612dde17b1@amps.net>
	<CF0B1892-46AE-4FE0-B2A1-8395BB7B5148@me.com>
Message-ID: <3b927569-d0bf-2f06-e77b-f3e88ac50487@amps.net>

I cannot match the crocodile tale, but on location in Hong Kong, the 
production office was in a different hotel,
Trotting along with the sound tapes to the production office, based in a 
different hotel, bouncing off all
the pavement traffic that is one huge pedestrian jam, was a highlight of 
the evening.
Monsoon-style rain was frequent and I quickly had to buy an umbrella.
I got a telescopic one for HK$11, about ?1 in those days, and
only disposed of it, no longer repairable, some eleven years later!

Pat H


On 16/09/2023 11:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?ve witnessed monsoon rain in Bangkok. ?The amount of rain which fell 
> was astonishing. ?The road outside the hotel was flooded two feet deep 
> in just an hour or two.
>
> Hotel staff warned us not to wade through the flooded roads ( not that 
> we planned to ). One danger was that manhole covers sometimes get 
> swept away, leaving a hole for the unwary to fall into. ?The other 
> danger was crocodiles, which swim through the flooded streets.
>
> We were a bit skeptical about the crocodile story, but they insisted 
> that it was true and that a couple of years ago, police marksmen 
> positioned themselves on the hotel balconies to shoot any passing 
> crocodiles. ?This seemed to be a laughably absurd story, but they 
> showed us newspaper clippings with photographs to verify it.
>
> There was also an amusing arrival at the hotel. ?The entrance was on 
> slightly higher ground than the road. ?The road was well and truly 
> flooded, but a Mercedes limo drove slowly through the floods and 
> deliver the occupants to the hotel. ?When the chauffeur opened the 
> door, a huge amount of water poured out.
>
> Alan
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Sep 16 10:04:38 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 16:04:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Further to my last email...
In-Reply-To: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b@sky.com>
References: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b.ref@sky.com>
	<cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b@sky.com>
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> On 16 Sep 2023, at 12:20, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I included a quiz on lines from TV shows and films in a couple of newsletters that I edit, from which I took the line included in my last email.
> 
> I thought the members of this group, having worked in TV and film, would like to have a go at the whole quiz!!
> 
> 
> Can you identify the film and TV shows from the following lines??.
> 
> 1. Four candles

Two Ronnies (I worked on that sketch!)

> 2. (What about the Sun Readers?) Sun readers don?t care who runs the country so long as she has big tits!

That was the week that was (?)

> 3. Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once -

Allo? Allo

> 4. We?re doomed!

Dad?s Army

> 5. I can?t believe it!



> 6. I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order!

Morecambe and Wise

> 7. I?m free!

Are you being served

> 8. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy.

Hancock?s Half Hour(?)

> 9. Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me.

> 10. Don?t mention the war.

Fawlty Towers

> 11. Everybody out!

Rag Trade

> 12. Beam me up, Scotty.

Star Trek 
> 
> 
> Dave Buckley
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

? 
Graeme Wall




From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Sep 16 11:26:34 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:26:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Further to my last email...
In-Reply-To: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b@sky.com>
References: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b.ref@sky.com>
	<cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b@sky.com>
Message-ID: <ea06ecbf-1d42-5a64-4500-913287feb4da@amps.net>

Dave's Saturday afternoon pub quiz!


> Can you identify the film and TV shows from the following lines??.
>
> 1. Four candles - Two Ronnies (Ironmonger sketch)
> 2. (What about the Sun Readers?) Sun readers don?t care who runs the 
> country so long as she has big tits!? - Yes Minister (Bernard)
> 3. Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once -'allo 'allo 
> (Michelle of the resistance)
> 4. We?re doomed! - Dad's Army (Private Frazer)
> 5. I can?t believe it! One Foot in the Grave
> 6. I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right 
> order! Morecambe & Wise (Andrew Preview piano sketch)
> 7. I?m free! Are You being Served (John Inman)
> 8. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. 
> Couldn't get this one.
> 9. Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me. (Carry On Cleo? 
> Kenneth Williams)
> 10. Don?t mention the war.(Fawlty Towers - The Germans)
> 11. Everybody out! (The Rag Trade - Miriam Karlin)
> 12. Beam me up, Scotty.(Star Trek?)
>
>
> Pat H (A sad case!)
>
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 12:36:19 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 18:36:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Further to my last email...
In-Reply-To: <ea06ecbf-1d42-5a64-4500-913287feb4da@amps.net>
References: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b.ref@sky.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFKgnywCkSkqC06vGxUnFaSNcVY=9yEtaQP6-wF6wJCJH8zB7w@mail.gmail.com>

Broadsword is 'Where Eagles Dare'

The exact wording 'Beam Me Up, Scotty' wasn't said in the Star Trek TV
series (it's a famous mis-quote popularised by fandom in th
mid-1970s). It was (almost) used in the Star Trek Cartoon series of
1973 and the fourth Star Trek Movie ('The Voyage Home') in 1984.
Though I expect they'll probably have accepted Star Trek anyway.


On Sat, 16 Sept 2023 at 17:27, Pat Heigham via Tech1
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Dave's Saturday afternoon pub quiz!
>
>
> Can you identify the film and TV shows from the following lines??.
>
> 1. Four candles - Two Ronnies (Ironmonger sketch)
> 2. (What about the Sun Readers?) Sun readers don?t care who runs the country so long as she has big tits!  -  Yes Minister (Bernard)
> 3. Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once - 'allo 'allo (Michelle of the resistance)
> 4. We?re doomed! - Dad's Army (Private Frazer)
> 5. I can?t believe it! One Foot in the Grave
> 6. I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order! Morecambe & Wise (Andrew Preview piano sketch)
> 7. I?m free! Are You being Served (John Inman)
> 8. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Couldn't get this one.
> 9. Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me. (Carry On Cleo? Kenneth Williams)
> 10. Don?t mention the war. (Fawlty Towers - The Germans)
> 11. Everybody out! (The Rag Trade - Miriam Karlin)
> 12. Beam me up, Scotty. (Star Trek?)
>
>
> Pat H (A sad case!)
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Sat Sep 16 18:48:23 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 00:48:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Further to my last email...
In-Reply-To: <CAFKgnywCkSkqC06vGxUnFaSNcVY=9yEtaQP6-wF6wJCJH8zB7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b.ref@sky.com>
	<cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b@sky.com>
	<ea06ecbf-1d42-5a64-4500-913287feb4da@amps.net>
	<CAFKgnywCkSkqC06vGxUnFaSNcVY=9yEtaQP6-wF6wJCJH8zB7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0f262916-1a93-6bb1-386b-08213398575d@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Dave,

'Beam Me Up, Scotty' might not of been said in 'Star Trek', but it was 
used at the end of episode 1 of 'Time of My Life'.  Spoken by Ken Archer 
played by Mark Kingston.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080295/?ref_=nm_flmg_t_14_act


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk

On 16/09/2023 18:36, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> Broadsword is 'Where Eagles Dare'
> 
> The exact wording 'Beam Me Up, Scotty' wasn't said in the Star Trek TV
> series (it's a famous mis-quote popularised by fandom in th
> mid-1970s). It was (almost) used in the Star Trek Cartoon series of
> 1973 and the fourth Star Trek Movie ('The Voyage Home') in 1984.
> Though I expect they'll probably have accepted Star Trek anyway.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 16 Sept 2023 at 17:27, Pat Heigham via Tech1
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Dave's Saturday afternoon pub quiz!
>>
>>
>> Can you identify the film and TV shows from the following lines??.
>>
>> 1. Four candles - Two Ronnies (Ironmonger sketch)
>> 2. (What about the Sun Readers?) Sun readers don?t care who runs the country so long as she has big tits!  -  Yes Minister (Bernard)
>> 3. Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once - 'allo 'allo (Michelle of the resistance)
>> 4. We?re doomed! - Dad's Army (Private Frazer)
>> 5. I can?t believe it! One Foot in the Grave
>> 6. I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order! Morecambe & Wise (Andrew Preview piano sketch)
>> 7. I?m free! Are You being Served (John Inman)
>> 8. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Couldn't get this one.
>> 9. Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me. (Carry On Cleo? Kenneth Williams)
>> 10. Don?t mention the war. (Fawlty Towers - The Germans)
>> 11. Everybody out! (The Rag Trade - Miriam Karlin)
>> 12. Beam me up, Scotty. (Star Trek?)
>>
>>
>> Pat H (A sad case!)
>>
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Sep 17 09:42:48 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:42:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quiz answers
In-Reply-To: <85b93d83-3150-2ef3-0725-9e209ed8f0ea@sky.com>
References: <85b93d83-3150-2ef3-0725-9e209ed8f0ea.ref@sky.com>
	<85b93d83-3150-2ef3-0725-9e209ed8f0ea@sky.com>
Message-ID: <cd8bd145-d6c4-9fe0-ac7d-c9f57194e7fe@amps.net>

Quite by chance, I recently sourced the link for 'Yes Minister - Who 
reads the newspapers' from YouTube,
to send to a friend for a laugh.

Here it is, copy and paste into your browser to enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63aIA3e-Tc

Best
Pat H

On 16/09/2023 17:50, Dave Buckley wrote:
> Thanks Graeme and Pat...
>
> The full set of answers as below.
>
> Answers:
> 1. The Two Ronnies
> 2. Yes, Prime Minister
> 3. Allo, Allo
> 4. Dad?s Army
> 5. One Foot in the Grave
> 6. Morecombe and Wise
> 7. Are you being served
> 8. Where Eagles Dare, said by Richard Burton after the raiding party 
> have got into the castle and trying to contact base, after finding a 
> high power radio transmitter, (also used in an episode of Dr.Who many 
> years later)
> 9. Carry on Cleo (the line was actually written by Frank Muir and 
> Dennis Norden for a radio show. The producers of Carry on Cleo asked 
> permission to use the joke).
> 10. Fawlty Towers
> 11. The Rag Trade (Catchphrase of Paddy, the shop steward, played by 
> Miriam Karlin)
> 12. Star Trek (although there?s an argument as whether the line was 
> actually said in an episode!)
>
> Scores: Graeme 9 out of 12; Pat 11 out of 12
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Buckley
> (I wonder how many other replies I will get!)
>
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sun Sep 17 09:46:16 2023
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:46:16 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Quiz answers
In-Reply-To: <cd8bd145-d6c4-9fe0-ac7d-c9f57194e7fe@amps.net>
References: <cd8bd145-d6c4-9fe0-ac7d-c9f57194e7fe@amps.net>
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And, being pedantic, the line from One Foot In The Grave is ?I DON?T believe it?.
Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 17 Sep 2023, at 16:43, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Quite by chance, I recently sourced the link for 'Yes Minister - Who reads the newspapers' from YouTube,
> to send to a friend for a laugh.
> 
> Here it is, copy and paste into your browser to enjoy.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63aIA3e-Tc
> 
> Best
> Pat H
> 
> On 16/09/2023 17:50, Dave Buckley wrote:
>> Thanks Graeme and Pat...
>> 
>> The full set of answers as below.
>> 
>> Answers:
>> 1. The Two Ronnies
>> 2. Yes, Prime Minister
>> 3. Allo, Allo
>> 4. Dad?s Army
>> 5. One Foot in the Grave
>> 6. Morecombe and Wise
>> 7. Are you being served
>> 8. Where Eagles Dare, said by Richard Burton after the raiding party have got into the castle and trying to contact base, after finding a high power radio transmitter, (also used in an episode of Dr.Who many years later)
>> 9. Carry on Cleo (the line was actually written by Frank Muir and Dennis Norden for a radio show. The producers of Carry on Cleo asked permission to use the joke).
>> 10. Fawlty Towers
>> 11. The Rag Trade (Catchphrase of Paddy, the shop steward, played by Miriam Karlin)
>> 12. Star Trek (although there?s an argument as whether the line was actually said in an episode!)
>> 
>> Scores: Graeme 9 out of 12; Pat 11 out of 12
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dave Buckley
>> (I wonder how many other replies I will get!)
>> 
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 09:46:51 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:46:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quiz answers
In-Reply-To: <cd8bd145-d6c4-9fe0-ac7d-c9f57194e7fe@amps.net>
References: <85b93d83-3150-2ef3-0725-9e209ed8f0ea.ref@sky.com>
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Even that one's not as clearcut as you might think and had a very long
gestation.

Nicely detailed here
https://www.dirtyfeed.org/2021/04/what-the-papers-say/


On Sun, 17 Sept 2023 at 15:43, Pat Heigham via Tech1
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Quite by chance, I recently sourced the link for 'Yes Minister - Who reads the newspapers' from YouTube,
> to send to a friend for a laugh.
>
> Here it is, copy and paste into your browser to enjoy.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63aIA3e-Tc
>
> Best
> Pat H


From nickwaysound at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 09:50:23 2023
From: nickwaysound at gmail.com (Nick Way)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:50:23 +0400
Subject: [Tech1] Graham Reid
Message-ID: <CAHQRKvvxqK8zeNT=+FtH-5tCn1ZDVkGQfSy6ma8VQjrOssop+g@mail.gmail.com>

I have just heard of Graham's passing yesterday.

Too many lost...

Sad Nick WAY
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Sep 17 10:07:22 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:07:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quiz answers
In-Reply-To: <cd8bd145-d6c4-9fe0-ac7d-c9f57194e7fe@amps.net>
References: <cd8bd145-d6c4-9fe0-ac7d-c9f57194e7fe@amps.net>
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Yes Minister is being repeated on BBC4 Tuesdays at 21:00, followed by The Thick of it.

They make an interesting pairing, to put it mildly.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 17 Sep 2023, at 15:43, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Quite by chance, I recently sourced the link for 'Yes Minister - Who reads the newspapers' from YouTube,
> to send to a friend for a laugh.
> 
> Here it is, copy and paste into your browser to enjoy.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63aIA3e-Tc
> 
> Best
> Pat H
> 
> On 16/09/2023 17:50, Dave Buckley wrote:
>> Thanks Graeme and Pat... 
>> 
>> The full set of answers as below. 
>> 
>> Answers: 
>> 1. The Two Ronnies 
>> 2. Yes, Prime Minister 
>> 3. Allo, Allo 
>> 4. Dad?s Army 
>> 5. One Foot in the Grave 
>> 6. Morecombe and Wise 
>> 7. Are you being served 
>> 8. Where Eagles Dare, said by Richard Burton after the raiding party have got into the castle and trying to contact base, after finding a high power radio transmitter, (also used in an episode of Dr.Who many years later) 
>> 9. Carry on Cleo (the line was actually written by Frank Muir and Dennis Norden for a radio show. The producers of Carry on Cleo asked permission to use the joke). 
>> 10. Fawlty Towers 
>> 11. The Rag Trade (Catchphrase of Paddy, the shop steward, played by Miriam Karlin) 
>> 12. Star Trek (although there?s an argument as whether the line was actually said in an episode!) 
>> 
>> Scores: Graeme 9 out of 12; Pat 11 out of 12 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Dave Buckley 
>> (I wonder how many other replies I will get!) 
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Sep 17 10:22:03 2023
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (David John Mundy)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:22:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
Message-ID: <77c03694-0d1d-f8fd-0487-81794087e353@btinternet.com>

My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased 
from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only 
done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB! 
(Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave


From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Sun Sep 17 10:50:44 2023
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 16:50:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Test
Message-ID: <324E6293-E02D-4BC7-BCFC-DAF060048AF9@gmail.com>

Have recently had problems of never seeing any message that I have sent to Tech1 as several of you will know who replied to my personal email as asked.

I think, and hope, that this has now been resolved.

Tony B

From waresound at msn.com  Sun Sep 17 12:36:01 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:36:01 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <77c03694-0d1d-f8fd-0487-81794087e353@btinternet.com>
References: <77c03694-0d1d-f8fd-0487-81794087e353@btinternet.com>
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Hi Dave, what?s going on is that what you pay is calculated from target profits and ever increasing numbers of cars, idiot drivers, accidents and hence what they have to pay out. Nothing to do with your?s or my personal driving habits. Might seem unfair, but true.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 17 Sep 2023, at 19:06, David John Mundy via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB! (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
> 
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Sun Sep 17 12:43:43 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 18:43:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <77c03694-0d1d-f8fd-0487-81794087e353@btinternet.com>
References: <77c03694-0d1d-f8fd-0487-81794087e353@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <A678521A-81AD-49CB-8132-A3FBEE573166@sky.com>

Did you do a search on line to see if anyone could beat it?

Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Sep 2023, at 18:06, David John Mundy via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB! (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
> 
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 01:30:59 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 07:30:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wilderness
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB1ohKopvtZfv5LO_ofucZDySQsEh=PyDm7TkQZyEnBAfg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have just binge-listened to the "Wilderness" on Amazon Prime.  It is a
dark thriller - well on the way to being a "film noire", literally.
Characters in deep shadow sat with black backgrounds in nighttime hotel
rooms, bars, nightclubs...daytime views shot "contre-jour" with
protagonists silhouetted against lit exteriors.  And they had the cheek to
credit a "chief lighting engineer" ...  it went against all the rules of
television lighting - and general photography lighting...

Jenna  Coleman was very good, using those big eyes to good effect, and some
lovely shots of the Grand Canyon and Arizona, but I found the interior
scenes very difficult to watch, black on black in many scenes.  But  hey,
it's streamed so no nasty interference has to be overcome like in broadcast
telly... !!!

best regards to you all,

Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Sep 18 02:27:05 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:27:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wilderness
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB1ohKopvtZfv5LO_ofucZDySQsEh=PyDm7TkQZyEnBAfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0HHB1ohKopvtZfv5LO_ofucZDySQsEh=PyDm7TkQZyEnBAfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91FF3691-19D4-4734-B14A-AB3F74C681E0@talktalk.net>

On the basis of your comments, I presume the word  ?listened? was used wisely!

Hugh

> On 18 Sep 2023, at 07:31, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi all,
> 
> I have just binge-listened to the "Wilderness" on Amazon Prime.  It is a dark thriller - well on the way to being a "film noire", literally. Characters in deep shadow sat with black backgrounds in nighttime hotel rooms, bars, nightclubs...daytime views shot "contre-jour" with protagonists silhouetted against lit exteriors.  And they had the cheek to credit a "chief lighting engineer" ...  it went against all the rules of television lighting - and general photography lighting...
> 
> Jenna  Coleman was very good, using those big eyes to good effect, and some lovely shots of the Grand Canyon and Arizona, but I found the interior scenes very difficult to watch, black on black in many scenes.  But  hey, it's streamed so no nasty interference has to be overcome like in broadcast telly... !!!
> 
> best regards to you all,
> 
> Alec
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
> -- 
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 02:36:28 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:36:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wilderness
In-Reply-To: <91FF3691-19D4-4734-B14A-AB3F74C681E0@talktalk.net>
References: <CAA0HHB1ohKopvtZfv5LO_ofucZDySQsEh=PyDm7TkQZyEnBAfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<91FF3691-19D4-4734-B14A-AB3F74C681E0@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB0FT=4vMFX-fkx+O3u68sh1cgR3Kb1qv_PjeSPyYByTvA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hugh,
Certainly was!  Some scenes were to all intents and purposes just about
invisible.  I can't say the TV is set up absolutely optimally, but it is OK
for practically all programmes.  "I Claudius" was a joy to rewatch!!
Best regards  Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Mon, 18 Sept 2023, 08:27 Hugh Snape, <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:

> On the basis of your comments, I presume the word  ?listened? was used
> wisely!
>
> Hugh
>
> > On 18 Sep 2023, at 07:31, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have just binge-listened to the "Wilderness" on Amazon Prime.  It is a
> dark thriller - well on the way to being a "film noire", literally.
> Characters in deep shadow sat with black backgrounds in nighttime hotel
> rooms, bars, nightclubs...daytime views shot "contre-jour" with
> protagonists silhouetted against lit exteriors.  And they had the cheek to
> credit a "chief lighting engineer" ...  it went against all the rules of
> television lighting - and general photography lighting...
> >
> > Jenna  Coleman was very good, using those big eyes to good effect, and
> some lovely shots of the Grand Canyon and Arizona, but I found the interior
> scenes very difficult to watch, black on black in many scenes.  But  hey,
> it's streamed so no nasty interference has to be overcome like in broadcast
> telly... !!!
> >
> > best regards to you all,
> >
> > Alec
> >
> > Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
> > --
> > Tech1 mailing list
> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Sep 18 02:44:07 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:44:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB1604DF761BAC0B7109DD00B5A7F4A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <77c03694-0d1d-f8fd-0487-81794087e353@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <bd4f0985-d599-b24a-0313-3cfd15dea091@amps.net>

Spot on, Nick.

One is paying for others' claims.
Insurance underwriters operate as wide a 'wriggle room' to avoid paying out.

Some years ago, I put a groove in the rear nearside of my car, trying to 
park too close to a wall at my friend's house,
failing to notice a sharp flint, hidden by foliage. Extricating made it 
worse, but wishing to keep the vehicle in decent
condition, made a claim for accidental damage repair (about ?1500) at 
the dealership bodyshop. Beautiful job done.
When the insurance came up for renewal, the premium was hugely inflated, 
so an inquiry made.
I was informed that it was because I had had an accident.
Adopting the written equivalent of "read my lips" they were invited to 
look at the claim again:
It was not an accident, it was /accidental damage/ - no other vehicle or 
road user involved, just my own fault.

The premium was reduced by ?200!

Worthwhile arguing.

Currently paying about ?670 p.a. but as a monthly DD, so don't really 
notice it.
However, the law says one must have insurance - watch "Police Interceptors"
for the number of naughty boys caught without insurance, road tax, or 
even no licence!
We are paying for their joyriding shenanigans.

Pat H

On 17/09/2023 18:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Dave, what?s going on is that what you pay is calculated from target profits and ever increasing numbers of cars, idiot drivers, accidents and hence what they have to pay out. Nothing to do with your?s or my personal driving habits. Might seem unfair, but true.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>
>> On 17 Sep 2023, at 19:06, David John Mundy via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB! (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Sep 18 03:56:35 2023
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:56:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Further to my last email...
In-Reply-To: <0f262916-1a93-6bb1-386b-08213398575d@armoor.co.uk>
References: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b.ref@sky.com>
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Hi Ian,
	I remember it well as I was the Gram Op on the series. 
Ken Archer (Mark Kingston) was in court, found guilty, and the magistrate asked him if he?d got anything to say. 
He took his cigarettes out of his top pocket and flipped up the lid and said those immortal words! 

Very funny series, in one episode he tried to commit suicide by leaping off a bridge into a river only to discover it was only a foot deep!

Martin Shardlow, the director, was a delight to work with.

Regards,
	Barry. 



On 17 Sep 2023, at 00:48, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear Dave,
> 
> 'Beam Me Up, Scotty' might not of been said in 'Star Trek', but it was used at the end of episode 1 of 'Time of My Life'.  Spoken by Ken Archer played by Mark Kingston.
> 
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080295/?ref_=nm_flmg_t_14_act
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> 
> On 16/09/2023 18:36, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Broadsword is 'Where Eagles Dare'
>> The exact wording 'Beam Me Up, Scotty' wasn't said in the Star Trek TV
>> series (it's a famous mis-quote popularised by fandom in th
>> mid-1970s). It was (almost) used in the Star Trek Cartoon series of
>> 1973 and the fourth Star Trek Movie ('The Voyage Home') in 1984.
>> Though I expect they'll probably have accepted Star Trek anyway.
>> On Sat, 16 Sept 2023 at 17:27, Pat Heigham via Tech1
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dave's Saturday afternoon pub quiz!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can you identify the film and TV shows from the following lines??.
>>> 
>>> 1. Four candles - Two Ronnies (Ironmonger sketch)
>>> 2. (What about the Sun Readers?) Sun readers don?t care who runs the country so long as she has big tits!  -  Yes Minister (Bernard)
>>> 3. Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once - 'allo 'allo (Michelle of the resistance)
>>> 4. We?re doomed! - Dad's Army (Private Frazer)
>>> 5. I can?t believe it! One Foot in the Grave
>>> 6. I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order! Morecambe & Wise (Andrew Preview piano sketch)
>>> 7. I?m free! Are You being Served (John Inman)
>>> 8. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Couldn't get this one.
>>> 9. Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me. (Carry On Cleo? Kenneth Williams)
>>> 10. Don?t mention the war. (Fawlty Towers - The Germans)
>>> 11. Everybody out! (The Rag Trade - Miriam Karlin)
>>> 12. Beam me up, Scotty. (Star Trek?)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pat H (A sad case!)
>>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Sep 18 04:53:53 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:53:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <77c03694-0d1d-f8fd-0487-81794087e353@btinternet.com>
References: <77c03694-0d1d-f8fd-0487-81794087e353@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <a464b791-426a-d43d-c0a0-8d15417e3c64@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more 
reasonable.

Chris Woolf


On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased 
> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only 
> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB! 
> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>


From doug at puddifoot.me  Mon Sep 18 05:02:25 2023
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:02:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
Message-ID: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>

The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.

Doug Puddifoot

On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more 
reasonable.

Chris Woolf


On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased 
> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only 
> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB! 
> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Sep 18 05:50:26 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:50:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
References: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <11ac593f-b4e2-f320-3409-aa8f3ee3fdbc@amps.net>

Perhaps you should not have tried to insure your tractor!

What about Go Compare?

PHH

On 18/09/2023 11:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.
>
> Doug Puddifoot
>
> On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>
> Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more
> reasonable.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
>> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased
>> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only
>> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB!
>> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Sep 18 06:01:42 2023
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:01:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
References: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>

Mine renews this month, and not yet had the new price. Did a pre-emptive 
run on the compare sites, and all are higher that last year's premium. 
With the highest being over ?5K. Last claim I made (for a hit and run) 
over 20 years ago. I like the idea of a mutual, but NFU have never 
quoted anywhere near the best price.

On 18/09/2023 11:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.
>
> Doug Puddifoot
>
> On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more
> reasonable.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
>> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased
>> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only
>> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB!
>> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>
-- 
Dave P                                                             London
                                                                      SW



From david.jasma at sky.com  Mon Sep 18 06:20:23 2023
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:20:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
References: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
	<06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <bda1109e-07b7-c683-4a51-ccdaae845ac1@sky.com>

The last time I went to NFU for a quote was my house contents insurance, 
and they came in nearly double!

At the time I was with a broker based at the business park on what had 
been the Aldenham Bus garage site at the bottom of Elstree hill. My 
property is north of the border and, as the cost had gone up a bit, I 
thought I try the local NFU office. Waste of time, they couldn't get 
anywhere near the quote I had from my existing insurer, even though the 
property was local and NFU knew the area.

As for car insurance, my wife owns our car but the insurance is in my 
name (for the moment). Last month she bought a new car and I contacted 
the AA to update the details etc. I was charged over ?100 extra for the 
rest of the year just because we had changed the car an newer version. 
Also, while we were buying it, the salesman put on three days insurance 
cover so that we would be legal to drive it 400 yards up the road while 
the full registration went through.

My wife's details went through without a problem, but when he tried to 
add my DOB, the program refused to accept it. Why, because I was 81! 
Talk about age discrimination. I pointed out that is we had both been 
over 80, then we would not have been able to take the car!

As it happens we were already insured through the AA, but it does make 
you think.

Dave Buckley


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Sep 18 06:25:00 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:25:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
References: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <28279949-b1b6-b1fe-010f-4a9613c8786e@chriswoolf.co.uk>

?418.63 for a Honda Jazz just like Dave Mundy's.

They never played the cheapie initial fee trick, which then rocketed 
once the buggers had you hooked. And I've always been able to negotiate 
sensible claims with them, when needed.

Chris Woolf



On 18/09/2023 11:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.
>
> Doug Puddifoot
>
> On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more
> reasonable.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
>> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased
>> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only
>> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB!
>> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Sep 18 06:29:59 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:29:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
References: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
	<06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <95481f4b-7cc5-e572-dba8-1bda2215c3cc@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 18/09/2023 12:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> .... I like the idea of a mutual, but NFU have never quoted anywhere 
> near the best price.
>
As so often, the "best" price isn't always really the best. If you have 
difficulties making claims, if they try to underpay them, and if they 
ratchet up the fees for any little scratch, then it /isn't /the best. 
Compare sites rarely give you the whole answer.

The ?418 this year for the Jazz includes free RAC National and Home Assist.

Chris Woolf


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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 06:31:37 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:31:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wilderness
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB1ohKopvtZfv5LO_ofucZDySQsEh=PyDm7TkQZyEnBAfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0HHB1ohKopvtZfv5LO_ofucZDySQsEh=PyDm7TkQZyEnBAfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e0b63bfc-4339-323a-d286-00065842c8de@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I guess not many of you have seen "Wilderness", and may have wondered at 
my comments.

Here are three screen grabs from the official trailer, which will give 
you something of the feel for the production values.

Sorry that these are later than my initial posting - had to take Jane to 
the hospital for blood tests prior to a hip replacement later this week.




And these are by no means the worst offenders - there are worse and 
worse pictures.

One of the cast was a lady of colour, playing the main police 
investigator.? She had some highlights on her face? - but her face was 
in shadow in front of a dark background: it made her face (IMHO) look 
like it had the white dots for motion capture animation...

Otis Eddy must be rolling in his grave ....

And to think we used to call some of the TM1s the "Prince(s) of Darkness" !!

Best regards,

Alec

-- 
=====================================

Alec Bray
alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
TEL:  0118 981 7502
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Sep 18 07:27:50 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:27:50 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
References: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB16046AB6391228F1AF0D08F8A7FBA@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

We?re with Direct Line (2 cars). Each year when the new quote comes, we phone them (you actually can), and their Customer Retention person can always be haggled down significantly.
A certain TV producer I used to work for used to pitch for Channel Four music projects, telling us that even if he only made a pound out of it, it would at least stop someone else doing it.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 18 Sep 2023, at 13:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Mine renews this month, and not yet had the new price. Did a pre-emptive run on the compare sites, and all are higher that last year's premium. With the highest being over ?5K. Last claim I made (for a hit and run) over 20 years ago. I like the idea of a mutual, but NFU have never quoted anywhere near the best price.
> 
>> On 18/09/2023 11:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.
>> 
>> Doug Puddifoot
>> 
>> On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more
>> reasonable.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased
>>> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only
>>> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB!
>>> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>> 
> -- 
> Dave P                                                             London
>                                                                     SW
> 
> 
> -- 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 07:37:57 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:37:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB16046AB6391228F1AF0D08F8A7FBA@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
	<AM9P191MB16046AB6391228F1AF0D08F8A7FBA@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <4ea37e5b-bf28-5323-5888-87525a0cf457@gmail.com>

I was with DL for two cars and house. They refused to renew the 
insurance on the old car, without giving an explanation, other than the 
car age. And I really really do hate having to haggle their price down. 
I'd rather change company just to spite them. If they try to con their 
existing customers with an unreasobable price hike, why should I be 
loyal to them?

On 18/09/2023 13:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> We?re with Direct Line (2 cars). Each year when the new quote comes, we phone them (you actually can), and their Customer Retention person can always be haggled down significantly.
> A certain TV producer I used to work for used to pitch for Channel Four music projects, telling us that even if he only made a pound out of it, it would at least stop someone else doing it.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2023, at 13:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Mine renews this month, and not yet had the new price. Did a pre-emptive run on the compare sites, and all are higher that last year's premium. With the highest being over ?5K. Last claim I made (for a hit and run) over 20 years ago. I like the idea of a mutual, but NFU have never quoted anywhere near the best price.
>>
>>> On 18/09/2023 11:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>>> The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.
>>>
>>> Doug Puddifoot
>>>
>>> On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more
>>> reasonable.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased
>>>> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only
>>>> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB!
>>>> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>> -- 
>> Dave P                                                             London
>>                                                                      SW
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Mon Sep 18 07:42:29 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:42:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
References: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7F73A9AB-7C51-43CF-A401-EC9ECCF48FB7@sky.com>

As I said Confused or Compare the Market are the best bet. My insurance went up compared with last year but I had changed my car for a more expensive new one. In the end the quotes I got from the two comparison sites mentioned were only very slightly more than my quote from my previous company, so I stayed with them.
The insurer I am with is an online only company called Flow which is owned by one of the biggest insurers LV I think.
I moved from a nearly five year old Polo Gti to a brand new Kia NIro 4 fully electric model , which cost more than double of the last value of the Polo. It should see me out now with the seven year warranty and since I got it last January I have only charged it up at home once from the mains electricity, the rest of the time it has charged from my Solar set up. I only have it insured for 5000 miles and live in the rural Lake District.
The cost from July was ?369.79 for the missus and me.

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 Sep 2023, at 12:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Mine renews this month, and not yet had the new price. Did a pre-emptive run on the compare sites, and all are higher that last year's premium. With the highest being over ?5K. Last claim I made (for a hit and run) over 20 years ago. I like the idea of a mutual, but NFU have never quoted anywhere near the best price.
> 
>> On 18/09/2023 11:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.
>> 
>> Doug Puddifoot
>> 
>> On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more
>> reasonable.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased
>>> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only
>>> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB!
>>> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>> 
> -- 
> Dave P                                                             London
>                                                                     SW
> 
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Sep 18 08:02:10 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:02:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <4ea37e5b-bf28-5323-5888-87525a0cf457@gmail.com>
References: <4ea37e5b-bf28-5323-5888-87525a0cf457@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22997254-6A8F-4033-AD29-ED2694C28E40@me.com>

Same here.  If I?m quoted a price and they later decide they can offer a better price, then I don?t want to deal with them.

It?s the same with house buying too.  I explain at the outset that once we have agreed a price, if they try to gazump or a buyer tries to make a lower offer, I?ll walk away.  I?ve done that too and watched the house eventually sell to somebody else for a worse deal than the price originally agreed with me.

Alan

> On 18 Sep 2023, at 13:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I was with DL for two cars and house. They refused to renew the insurance on the old car, without giving an explanation, other than the car age. And I really really do hate having to haggle their price down. I'd rather change company just to spite them. If they try to con their existing customers with an unreasobable price hike, why should I be loyal to them?


From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Sep 18 08:06:09 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:06:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Insurance/ Payment protection
Message-ID: <BAB68DEA-819C-474A-95A2-3BCB20CE77CF@me.com>

It's increasingly true that Insurance of any sort is an organised scam, for away from any idea of 'spreading risk', it's a cash cow for multinationals.

I've recently got travel Insurance for a 2 week trip from the RAC, and apart from just being RAC badged, the policy document is 87 pages long.  

Needless to say, I've barely looked at it, as I do , actually, have a life.... 

And you can't see it until you've paid!

On a previous topic, here's an article by Paul Lewis in this week's Radio Times.  I thought I was fairly aware of these things, but there does seem to be a grey area here.




Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Sep 18 10:12:03 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:12:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <22997254-6A8F-4033-AD29-ED2694C28E40@me.com>
References: <4ea37e5b-bf28-5323-5888-87525a0cf457@gmail.com>
	<22997254-6A8F-4033-AD29-ED2694C28E40@me.com>
Message-ID: <48459465-6f7c-1395-88bc-b5c95352e618@amps.net>

For several years, my car insurance was brokered by Allan, Chapman & James,
who understood the film industry.

Admitting to being a sound technician seemed to equate one as a 'Rock 
Group Roadie'
with corresponding sky high premiums.

Worth giving them a call.
01206 500 000

Think that number is still good.

Pat H

On 18/09/2023 14:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Same here.  If I?m quoted a price and they later decide they can offer a better price, then I don?t want to deal with them.
>
> It?s the same with house buying too.  I explain at the outset that once we have agreed a price, if they try to gazump or a buyer tries to make a lower offer, I?ll walk away.  I?ve done that too and watched the house eventually sell to somebody else for a worse deal than the price originally agreed with me.
>
> Alan
>
>> On 18 Sep 2023, at 13:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?I was with DL for two cars and house. They refused to renew the insurance on the old car, without giving an explanation, other than the car age. And I really really do hate having to haggle their price down. I'd rather change company just to spite them. If they try to con their existing customers with an unreasobable price hike, why should I be loyal to them?
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Sep 18 11:16:40 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:16:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Further to my last email...
In-Reply-To: <1FE1B6A7-1A8C-438F-B64F-76F4D26A3F73@btinternet.com>
References: <cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b.ref@sky.com>
	<cac34ad8-b977-87c4-8a19-bbaf6c5db33b@sky.com>
	<ea06ecbf-1d42-5a64-4500-913287feb4da@amps.net>
	<CAFKgnywCkSkqC06vGxUnFaSNcVY=9yEtaQP6-wF6wJCJH8zB7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<0f262916-1a93-6bb1-386b-08213398575d@armoor.co.uk>
	<1FE1B6A7-1A8C-438F-B64F-76F4D26A3F73@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3623b6b5-2519-d4b6-3c30-4de5eacd96a4@amps.net>

Ditto, Barry, I was Grams on The Rag Trade!

I should have got the "Where Eagles Dare", as I read the novel before 
seeing the film.

When buried in a book, I like to visualise as if a movie, and to my 
great pleasure, I discovered that I had correctly imagined every single 
set-up
and cut - the difference being that my storyboard in my head was 
laterally reversed L to R!

Good for the author to let the story unspool like watching a film.

That plot was so confusing that when one of the characters holds things 
up and exclaims:

"What's going on, here!" The whole audience in the cinema let out a 
sympathetic gasp, as we didn't know either!

Pat H


On 18/09/2023 09:56, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> I remember it well as I was the Gram Op on the series.
> Ken Archer (Mark Kingston) was in court, found guilty, and the 
> magistrate asked him if he?d got anything to say.
> He took his cigarettes out of his top pocket and flipped up the lid 
> and said those immortal words!
>
> Very funny series, in one episode he tried to commit suicide by 
> leaping off a bridge into a river only to discover it was only a foot 
> deep!
>
> Martin Shardlow, the director, was a delight to work with.
>
> Regards,
> Barry.
>
>
>
> On 17 Sep 2023, at 00:48, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Dave,
>>
>> 'Beam Me Up, Scotty' might not of been said in 'Star Trek', but it 
>> was used at the end of episode 1 of 'Time of My Life'. ?Spoken by Ken 
>> Archer played by Mark Kingston.
>>
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080295/?ref_=nm_flmg_t_14_act
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ian Norman
>>
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>>
>> On 16/09/2023 18:36, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Broadsword is 'Where Eagles Dare'
>>> The exact wording 'Beam Me Up, Scotty' wasn't said in the Star Trek TV
>>> series (it's a famous mis-quote popularised by fandom in th
>>> mid-1970s). It was (almost) used in the Star Trek Cartoon series of
>>> 1973 and the fourth Star Trek Movie ('The Voyage Home') in 1984.
>>> Though I expect they'll probably have accepted Star Trek anyway.
>>> On Sat, 16 Sept 2023 at 17:27, Pat Heigham via Tech1
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dave's Saturday afternoon pub quiz!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you identify the film and TV shows from the following lines??.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Four candles - Two Ronnies (Ironmonger sketch)
>>>> 2. (What about the Sun Readers?) Sun readers don?t care who runs 
>>>> the country so long as she has big tits! ?- ?Yes Minister (Bernard)
>>>> 3. Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once - 'allo 'allo 
>>>> (Michelle of the resistance)
>>>> 4. We?re doomed! - Dad's Army (Private Frazer)
>>>> 5. I can?t believe it! One Foot in the Grave
>>>> 6. I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the 
>>>> right order! Morecambe & Wise (Andrew Preview piano sketch)
>>>> 7. I?m free! Are You being Served (John Inman)
>>>> 8. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. 
>>>> Couldn't get this one.
>>>> 9. Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me. (Carry On Cleo? 
>>>> Kenneth Williams)
>>>> 10. Don?t mention the war. (Fawlty Towers - The Germans)
>>>> 11. Everybody out! (The Rag Trade - Miriam Karlin)
>>>> 12. Beam me up, Scotty. (Star Trek?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pat H (A sad case!)
>>>>
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>>
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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 12:27:04 2023
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 18:27:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My recent test email
Message-ID: <3C42D6AC-91B9-42BE-A6D5-46859DF686FF@gmail.com>

Regrettably my belief that the problem of not seeing my emails to Tech Ops was wrong. I know it arrives and everyone else sees it but not me.

However I will respond to emails that I see if I have anything to say. Perhaps if anyone responds to my comments they may be returned as an attachment.  Who knows?

Tony B




From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 12:57:31 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 18:57:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Further to my last email...
In-Reply-To: <ea06ecbf-1d42-5a64-4500-913287feb4da@amps.net>
References: <ea06ecbf-1d42-5a64-4500-913287feb4da@amps.net>
Message-ID: <8DCD8952-361B-4314-BA94-3FDAEC47503F@gmail.com>

In case no one has replied with the missing answer in that excellent quiz, the answer to question 8. ?Broadsword calling Danny Boy? was a line by Maj. John Smith played by Richard Burton in the classic 1968 film, ?Where Eagles Dare?, when the team of saboteurs he was with had completed their mission and were ready for an air lift to safety.
They don?t make them like that any more, when today films are ?movies?,
Geoff

> On 16 Sep 2023, at 17:27, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dave's Saturday afternoon pub quiz!
> 
> 
>> Can you identify the film and TV shows from the following lines??. 
>> 
>> 1. Four candles - Two Ronnies (Ironmonger sketch)
>> 2. (What about the Sun Readers?) Sun readers don?t care who runs the country so long as she has big tits!  -  Yes Minister (Bernard)
>> 3. Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once - 'allo 'allo (Michelle of the resistance)
>> 4. We?re doomed! - Dad's Army (Private Frazer)
>> 5. I can?t believe it! One Foot in the Grave
>> 6. I am playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order! Morecambe & Wise (Andrew Preview piano sketch)
>> 7. I?m free! Are You being Served (John Inman) 
>> 8. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Couldn't get this one.
>> 9. Infamy, infamy, they?ve all got in in for me. (Carry On Cleo? Kenneth Williams) 
>> 10. Don?t mention the war. (Fawlty Towers - The Germans)
>> 11. Everybody out! (The Rag Trade - Miriam Karlin)
>> 12. Beam me up, Scotty. (Star Trek?)
>> 
>> 
>> Pat H (A sad case!) 
>> 
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Sep 18 13:09:30 2023
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:09:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <48459465-6f7c-1395-88bc-b5c95352e618@amps.net>
References: <48459465-6f7c-1395-88bc-b5c95352e618@amps.net>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Sep 18 13:23:38 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:23:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My recent test email
In-Reply-To: <3C42D6AC-91B9-42BE-A6D5-46859DF686FF@gmail.com>
References: <3C42D6AC-91B9-42BE-A6D5-46859DF686FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d9ea5d$406a80c0$c13f8240$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

This reply sent at 1922 on 18/9/23 50 mins after I received it.

Lets see what happens.....

Paul

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Tony Briselden via
Tech1
Sent: 18 September 2023 18:27
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] My recent test email

Regrettably my belief that the problem of not seeing my emails to Tech Ops
was wrong. I know it arrives and everyone else sees it but not me.

However I will respond to emails that I see if I have anything to say.
Perhaps if anyone responds to my comments they may be returned as an
attachment.  Who knows?

Tony B



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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 13:29:17 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:29:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <CFE561D9-7085-4425-A09E-8FA92470E0D4@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <48459465-6f7c-1395-88bc-b5c95352e618@amps.net>
	<CFE561D9-7085-4425-A09E-8FA92470E0D4@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <fe7f3cfd-bc3a-1a7e-fe92-f7f352241427@gmail.com>

The best value I found for the old Rover was the Post Office. Never 
found any of the specialist brokers competitive. But that likely because 
my classic was parked in the street. Might have been different if garaged.

Not scrapped either - Khan's scheme doesn't work for classics. Nowhere 
near enough. The EFI has gone to a new home in Wales.

On 18/09/2023 19:09, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Dave
> Footman James for old bangers (classic cars) around ?300 includes 
> european cover and uk rescue. Whats not to like. Except I think you 
> might have scrapped your Rover?
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 18 Sep 2023, at 18:05, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> For several years, my car insurance was brokered by Allan, Chapman & James,
> who understood the film industry.
> 
> Admitting to being a sound technician seemed to equate one as a 'Rock 
> Group Roadie'
> with corresponding sky high premiums.
> 
> Worth giving them a call.
> 01206 500 000
> 
> Think that number is still good.
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 18/09/2023 14:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Same here.  If I?m quoted a price and they later decide they can offer a better price, then I don?t want to deal with them.
>>
>> It?s the same with house buying too.  I explain at the outset that once we have agreed a price, if they try to gazump or a buyer tries to make a lower offer, I?ll walk away.  I?ve done that too and watched the house eventually sell to somebody else for a worse deal than the price originally agreed with me.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>> On 18 Sep 2023, at 13:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I was with DL for two cars and house. They refused to renew the insurance on the old car, without giving an explanation, other than the car age And I really really do hate having to haggle their price down. I'd rather change company just to spite them. If they try to con their existing customers with an unreasobable price hike, why should I be loyal to them?
> -- 
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 13:47:20 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:47:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My recent test email
In-Reply-To: <3C42D6AC-91B9-42BE-A6D5-46859DF686FF@gmail.com>
References: <3C42D6AC-91B9-42BE-A6D5-46859DF686FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58b53288-4bb9-a9b2-e887-fcd15a468d2a@gmail.com>

It all seems to have come good here. So thanks to whoever switched it 
off and on again.

On 18/09/2023 18:27, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
> Regrettably my belief that the problem of not seeing my emails to Tech Ops was wrong. I know it arrives and everyone else sees it but not me.
> 
> However I will respond to emails that I see if I have anything to say. Perhaps if anyone responds to my comments they may be returned as an attachment.  Who knows?
> 
> Tony B
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Sep 18 13:49:02 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:49:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My recent test email
In-Reply-To: <3C42D6AC-91B9-42BE-A6D5-46859DF686FF@gmail.com>
References: <3C42D6AC-91B9-42BE-A6D5-46859DF686FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE4873B3F02421CA69400BE50D6F48C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Yes Tony your message arrived in my inbox trouble-free.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tony Briselden via Tech1
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 6:27 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] My recent test email

Regrettably my belief that the problem of not seeing my emails to Tech Ops 
was wrong. I know it arrives and everyone else sees it but not me.

However I will respond to emails that I see if I have anything to say. 
Perhaps if anyone responds to my comments they may be returned as an 
attachment.  Who knows?

Tony B



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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Mon Sep 18 18:21:44 2023
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 00:21:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Insurance/ Payment protection
In-Reply-To: <BAB68DEA-819C-474A-95A2-3BCB20CE77CF@me.com>
References: <BAB68DEA-819C-474A-95A2-3BCB20CE77CF@me.com>
Message-ID: <F36428F9-95F8-4686-BF78-CC840B888196@howell61.f9.co.uk>

Alasdair,

With regard to Paul Lewis's s75 coments,  all Ebay. purchases are not covered as they are the third party ??
or have read it wrong? 

John.

> On 18 Sep 2023, at 14:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It's increasingly true that Insurance of any sort is an organised scam, for away from any idea of 'spreading risk', it's a cash cow for multinationals

From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Mon Sep 18 19:46:06 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 01:46:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Insurance/ Payment protection
In-Reply-To: <F36428F9-95F8-4686-BF78-CC840B888196@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <F36428F9-95F8-4686-BF78-CC840B888196@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FAB5CE04-05E8-4349-B316-480AD536E7C4@sky.com>

Ebay have a very good guarantee which I have used. If you are not happy with the service or quality from any purchase through them they will either get the item replaced or give you your money back.
Sent from my iPad

> On 19 Sep 2023, at 00:22, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Alasdair,
> 
> With regard to Paul Lewis's s75 coments,  all Ebay. purchases are not covered as they are the third party ??
> or have read it wrong?
> 
> John.
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2023, at 14:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> It's increasingly true that Insurance of any sort is an organised scam, for away from any idea of 'spreading risk', it's a cash cow for multinationals
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Sep 19 00:39:59 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:39:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Insurance/ Payment protection
In-Reply-To: <FAB5CE04-05E8-4349-B316-480AD536E7C4@sky.com>
References: <FAB5CE04-05E8-4349-B316-480AD536E7C4@sky.com>
Message-ID: <7F0ECD29-2E90-43BF-BD0E-06E968969131@me.com>


The eBay guarantee is only good up to a point.  I bought some digital kitchen scales which became faulty after about 11 months.  The supplier agreed to pay to have it sent back and send a replacement, but took several weeks to do so. The replacement item turned out to be dead on arrival.  Again they sent a prepaid label to return it. That was the last I heard from them, no replacement appeared, despite multiple attempts to contact them.

It proved to be difficult to contact eBay to report a non-standard situation like that. None of the menu options for complaints quite fitted my particular circumstances. When I did manage to get through to them and requested a refund, the response was that it was now out of their guarantee period and they could no longer get involved.  

Fortunately it was a rather inexpensive item and it wasn?t worth the hassle of pursuing the matter further by using other external agencies.

I would add that when I first reported the faulty item to the supplier, they sent a reply along the lines of ?we have sold thousands of these and unfortunately there will inevitably be a one in a million chance of a unit being faulty?.  When the replacement unit proved to be faulty, they sent exactly the same reply, word for word. 

I find myself wondering what sort of business needs cut and paste replies for a one in a million circumstance and what are the chances of a one in a million thing happening to the same person twice in a row?  Don?t bother answering that, I can do the sums.

Alan


> On 19 Sep 2023, at 01:47, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Ebay have a very good guarantee which I have used. If you are not happy with the service or quality from any purchase through them they will either get the item replaced or give you your money back.
> 


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 01:16:25 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 07:16:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Insurance/ Payment protection
In-Reply-To: <7F0ECD29-2E90-43BF-BD0E-06E968969131@me.com>
References: <FAB5CE04-05E8-4349-B316-480AD536E7C4@sky.com>
	<7F0ECD29-2E90-43BF-BD0E-06E968969131@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB3mKmz2nT+oUtn5wqP5+50oLJd9yU5aZWeBykogjmj4jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I had a similar Ebay issue some 10 plus years ago.  I bought a batch of
cheap memory sticks - yes they were the cheapest as I was trying to keep
the "cost of sales" of the item I was selling as low as possible.
Some 10 percent of the memory sticks failed to work.  I got replacements
for those.  I bought another batch (same supplier) - again some 10 percent
were faulty but this time the trail went cold and never got replacements.

Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Tue, 19 Sept 2023, 06:41 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> The eBay guarantee is only good up to a point.  I bought some digital
> kitchen scales which became faulty after about 11 months.  The supplier
> agreed to pay to have it sent back and send a replacement, but took several
> weeks to do so. The replacement item turned out to be dead on arrival.
> Again they sent a prepaid label to return it. That was the last I heard
> from them, no replacement appeared, despite multiple attempts to contact
> them.
>
> It proved to be difficult to contact eBay to report a non-standard
> situation like that. None of the menu options for complaints quite fitted
> my particular circumstances. When I did manage to get through to them and
> requested a refund, the response was that it was now out of their guarantee
> period and they could no longer get involved.
>
> Fortunately it was a rather inexpensive item and it wasn?t worth the
> hassle of pursuing the matter further by using other external agencies.
>
> I would add that when I first reported the faulty item to the supplier,
> they sent a reply along the lines of ?we have sold thousands of these and
> unfortunately there will inevitably be a one in a million chance of a unit
> being faulty?.  When the replacement unit proved to be faulty, they sent
> exactly the same reply, word for word.
>
> I find myself wondering what sort of business needs cut and paste replies
> for a one in a million circumstance and what are the chances of a one in a
> million thing happening to the same person twice in a row?  Don?t bother
> answering that, I can do the sums.
>
> Alan
>
>
> > On 19 Sep 2023, at 01:47, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Ebay have a very good guarantee which I have used. If you are not happy
> with the service or quality from any purchase through them they will either
> get the item replaced or give you your money back.
> >
>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Wed Sep 20 03:23:50 2023
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 09:23:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
Message-ID: <tv6md4wbts4b38qd78oritdf.1695198230031@email.android.com>

Martin Lewis is reporting that car insurance is up 41%. This weeks newsletter has some advice on thebest time to get a renewal quote.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/latesttip/?utm_source=MSE_Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=19-Sep-23-9bc2acc0dfe4c8eaa09-650a00a119a2211405b3b74a4a6f22ae&source=CRM-MSETIP-9bc2acc0dfe4c8eaa09&utm_campaign=nt-viewonlineheader&utm_content=1

Doug Puddifoot

On 18 September 2023, at 16:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

For several years, my car insurance was brokered by Allan, Chapman & James,
who understood the film industry.

Admitting to being a sound technician seemed to equate one as a 'Rock Group Roadie'
with corresponding sky high premiums.

Worth giving them a call.
01206 500 000

Think that number is still good.

Pat H

On 18/09/2023 14:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

Same here. If I?m quoted a price and they later decide they can offer a better price, then I don?t want to deal with them. It?s the same with house buying too. I explain at the outset that once we have agreed a price, if they try to gazump or a buyer tries to make a lower offer, I?ll walk away. I?ve done that too and watched the house eventually sell to somebody else for a worse deal than the price originally agreed with me. Alan 

On 18 Sep 2023, at 13:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: ?I was with DL for two cars and house. They refused to renew the insurance on the old car, without giving an explanation, other than the car age. And I really really do hate having to haggle their price down. I'd rather change company just to spite them. If they try to con their existing customers with an unreasobable price hike, why should I be loyal to them? 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Sep 20 04:58:27 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:58:27 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 05:50:37 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:50:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <tv6md4wbts4b38qd78oritdf.1695198230031@email.android.com>
References: <tv6md4wbts4b38qd78oritdf.1695198230031@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <e91abbf8-bb1a-606b-90dc-2df5da806aa5@gmail.com>

Love to know how 'they' can justify an increase like that.

On 20/09/2023 09:23, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> Martin Lewis is reporting that car insurance is up 41%. This weeks 
> newsletter has some advice on thebest time to get a renewal quote.
> 
> https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/latesttip/?utm_source=MSE_Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=19-Sep-23-9bc2acc0dfe4c8eaa09-650a00a119a2211405b3b74a4a6f22ae&source=CRM-MSETIP-9bc2acc0dfe4c8eaa09&utm_campaign=nt-viewonlineheader&utm_content=1
> 
> Doug Puddifoot
> 
> 
> 
> On 18 September 2023, at 16:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> For several years, my car insurance was brokered by Allan, Chapman & James,
> who understood the film industry.
> 
> Admitting to being a sound technician seemed to equate one as a 'Rock 
> Group Roadie'
> with corresponding sky high premiums.
> 
> Worth giving them a call.
> 01206 500 000
> 
> Think that number is still good.
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 18/09/2023 14:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Same here.  If I?m quoted a price and they later decide they can offer a better price, then I don?t want to deal with them.
>>
>> It?s the same with house buying too.  I explain at the outset that once we have agreed a price, if they try to gazump or a buyer tries to make a lower offer, I?ll walk away.  I?ve done that too and watched the house eventually sell to somebody else for a worse deal than the price originally agreed with me.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>> On 18 Sep 2023, at 13:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I was with DL for two cars and house. They refused to renew the insurance on the old car, without giving an explanation, other than the car age. And I really really do hate having to haggle their price down. I'd rather change company just to spite them. If they try to con their existing customers with an unreasobable price hike, why should I be loyal to them?
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Sep 20 06:02:41 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:02:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <e91abbf8-bb1a-606b-90dc-2df5da806aa5@gmail.com>
References: <tv6md4wbts4b38qd78oritdf.1695198230031@email.android.com>
	<e91abbf8-bb1a-606b-90dc-2df5da806aa5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <401d893b-70b1-70bc-e385-ccc19245bb59@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 20/09/2023 11:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Love to know how 'they' can justify an increase like that. [41%]
>
>
Well I wouldn't want to defend them for anything, but...

The problem with obtaining spare parts because of difficulties in China, 
because of a massive lack of supply of semiconductors, and a big hike in 
interest rates making life much more expensive for most companies, does 
have quite a lot to do with it. Particularly with electric cars the long 
delays in sourcing parts means that courtesy cars have to be supplied 
for lengthy periods - it all costs.

Chris Woolf



From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 06:52:59 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:52:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <401d893b-70b1-70bc-e385-ccc19245bb59@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <tv6md4wbts4b38qd78oritdf.1695198230031@email.android.com>
	<e91abbf8-bb1a-606b-90dc-2df5da806aa5@gmail.com>
	<401d893b-70b1-70bc-e385-ccc19245bb59@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3e37ccae-d4af-2a58-e60d-f3a81ccfc281@gmail.com>

Wouldn't it make sense to make those who claim on their insurance bear 
more of the cost increase, then?

On 20/09/2023 12:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> On 20/09/2023 11:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Love to know how 'they' can justify an increase like that. [41%]
>>
>>
> Well I wouldn't want to defend them for anything, but...
> 
> The problem with obtaining spare parts because of difficulties in China, 
> because of a massive lack of supply of semiconductors, and a big hike in 
> interest rates making life much more expensive for most companies, does 
> have quite a lot to do with it. Particularly with electric cars the long 
> delays in sourcing parts means that courtesy cars have to be supplied 
> for lengthy periods - it all costs.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Sep 20 07:14:14 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:14:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <3e37ccae-d4af-2a58-e60d-f3a81ccfc281@gmail.com>
References: <tv6md4wbts4b38qd78oritdf.1695198230031@email.android.com>
	<e91abbf8-bb1a-606b-90dc-2df5da806aa5@gmail.com>
	<401d893b-70b1-70bc-e385-ccc19245bb59@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<3e37ccae-d4af-2a58-e60d-f3a81ccfc281@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3eefd38d-73c7-5753-708a-85ddf9d9e88a@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Ah, but the insurance industry is supposed to be based on everyone 
sharing the burden;}

Chris W


On 20/09/2023 12:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Wouldn't it make sense to make those who claim on their insurance bear 
> more of the cost increase, then?
>
> On 20/09/2023 12:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> On 20/09/2023 11:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Love to know how 'they' can justify an increase like that. [41%]
>>>
>>>
>> Well I wouldn't want to defend them for anything, but...
>>
>> The problem with obtaining spare parts because of difficulties in 
>> China, because of a massive lack of supply of semiconductors, and a 
>> big hike in interest rates making life much more expensive for most 
>> companies, does have quite a lot to do with it. Particularly with 
>> electric cars the long delays in sourcing parts means that courtesy 
>> cars have to be supplied for lengthy periods - it all costs.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>


From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Wed Sep 20 07:28:48 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:28:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <3eefd38d-73c7-5753-708a-85ddf9d9e88a@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <3eefd38d-73c7-5753-708a-85ddf9d9e88a@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5B227525-76FE-4E58-BC6A-CD8314C28C07@sky.com>

The answer should be that anyone caught with no insurance should be penalised financially and have their hands chopped off so they cannot drive?..maybe?.??
Sent from my iPad

> On 20 Sep 2023, at 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Ah, but the insurance industry is supposed to be based on everyone sharing the burden;}
> 
> Chris W
> 
> 
>> On 20/09/2023 12:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Wouldn't it make sense to make those who claim on their insurance bear more of the cost increase, then?
>> 
>>> On 20/09/2023 12:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 20/09/2023 11:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Love to know how 'they' can justify an increase like that. [41%]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Well I wouldn't want to defend them for anything, but...
>>> 
>>> The problem with obtaining spare parts because of difficulties in China, because of a massive lack of supply of semiconductors, and a big hike in interest rates making life much more expensive for most companies, does have quite a lot to do with it. Particularly with electric cars the long delays in sourcing parts means that courtesy cars have to be supplied for lengthy periods - it all costs.
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Sep 20 07:39:11 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:39:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <3e37ccae-d4af-2a58-e60d-f3a81ccfc281@gmail.com>
References: <tv6md4wbts4b38qd78oritdf.1695198230031@email.android.com>
	<e91abbf8-bb1a-606b-90dc-2df5da806aa5@gmail.com>
	<401d893b-70b1-70bc-e385-ccc19245bb59@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<3e37ccae-d4af-2a58-e60d-f3a81ccfc281@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48ea9e9c-09cc-0fa0-e326-6b63004679cd@amps.net>

Doesn't work like that!

The Insurance indusry are all charlatans and avoid paying out.

When I bought my retirement prezzie to myself - BMW 3-series Sports Coupe,
they offered me a 7 day insurance cover to drive it off the forecourt.

Then the offer was for an annual.

Looked good and I've been with them for 14 years.
Think the ultimate underwriters are LV.

Try to keep the car pristine as possible - has to see me out!

Not a great annual mileage, though.

Took the previous one to Salzburg and the Tyrol., for a holiday.
Pat H


On 20/09/2023 12:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Wouldn't it make sense to make those who claim on their insurance bear 
> more of the cost increase, then? -
>
> On 20/09/2023 12:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> On 20/09/2023 11:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Love to know how 'they' can justify an increase like that. [41%]
>>>
>>>
>> Well I wouldn't want to defend them for anything, but...
>>
>> The problem with obtaining spare parts because of difficulties in 
>> China, because of a massive lack of supply of semiconductors, and a 
>> big hike in interest rates making life much more expensive for most 
>> companies, does have quite a lot to do with it. Particularly with 
>> electric cars the long delays in sourcing parts means that courtesy 
>> cars? tohave to be supplied for lengthy periods - it all costs.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>
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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 08:42:30 2023
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:42:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My email problem
Message-ID: <8919EB8C-0315-4F7B-AD73-CD146D566341@gmail.com>

Thanks to the people who responded to my last email. I now know that I am not the only person who doesn?t see their own emails but probably will if a response is made to any comment I may make on a discussion.

Tony B

From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 09:34:52 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 15:34:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <5B227525-76FE-4E58-BC6A-CD8314C28C07@sky.com>
References: <5B227525-76FE-4E58-BC6A-CD8314C28C07@sky.com>
Message-ID: <4684CB6F-07B8-4CBF-8C57-93312E0387DD@gmail.com>

It?s good that the emailing system seems to have revived  itself to the extent that it?s now usable, even if there are anomalies, but please will contributors to a discussion thread remember to add their name at the foot as the latest one was unidentifiable until I hit ?Reply? when the name appeared in the ?To? box,
Thanks,
Geoff

> On 20 Sep 2023, at 15:25, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The answer should be that anyone caught with no insurance should be penalised financially and have their hands chopped off so they cannot drive?..maybe?.??
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2023, at 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Ah, but the insurance industry is supposed to be based on everyone sharing the burden;}
>> 
>> Chris W
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 20/09/2023 12:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Wouldn't it make sense to make those who claim on their insurance bear more of the cost increase, then?
>>> 
>>>> On 20/09/2023 12:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 20/09/2023 11:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Love to know how 'they' can justify an increase like that. [41%]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> Well I wouldn't want to defend them for anything, but...
>>>> 
>>>> The problem with obtaining spare parts because of difficulties in China, because of a massive lack of supply of semiconductors, and a big hike in interest rates making life much more expensive for most companies, does have quite a lot to do with it. Particularly with electric cars the long delays in sourcing parts means that courtesy cars have to be supplied for lengthy periods - it all costs.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Sep 20 10:18:39 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:18:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <3eefd38d-73c7-5753-708a-85ddf9d9e88a@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <tv6md4wbts4b38qd78oritdf.1695198230031@email.android.com>
	<e91abbf8-bb1a-606b-90dc-2df5da806aa5@gmail.com>
	<401d893b-70b1-70bc-e385-ccc19245bb59@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<3e37ccae-d4af-2a58-e60d-f3a81ccfc281@gmail.com>
	<3eefd38d-73c7-5753-708a-85ddf9d9e88a@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <d88ffe99-efc1-2102-edd7-875d3643ab94@chriswoolf.co.uk>

On a more serious note, I really feel that everyone should have one of 
the black box recorders that insurance companies are increasingly 
handing out to the young. These record your driving in terms of 
acceleration, braking, heavy cornering etc and, in effect, give you a 
rating as to driving style.

If we all had that, and could reduce our insurance payments on the basis 
of proven driving behaviour (and thus riskiness) that /would/ make a lot 
of sense.

Chris Woolf
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Sep 20 10:36:35 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:36:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] General chat.
Message-ID: <7027ab7d-e2d9-b9ab-2d1c-87e179c5337c@amps.net>

Some years ago, a location in Blackpool had us in a hotel which had a 
large exhibtion hall.
At that time, it was hosting a display of fairground machines, for the 
fair people to
buy the latest for the coming season.

We usually knocked off in time to have a play - free of charge!

I was reminded, that to amuse me as a young lad, my mum used to take me 
to the
end of Ryde Pier to play the penny-in-the-slot machines.
It was many years later that I realised that the 'crane' one was loaded 
against the player.

The grab tongs were polished so that if it managed to get the small 
teddy bear, it couldn't retain it,
and the mechanism adjusted to let go before the crane reached the 
delivery chute.

Lesson 1 in the education of small children into how devious adults 
actually are.

(Tooth fairy and Father Christmas?)

Pat H
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 04:02:24 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 10:02:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
References: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
	<06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8055c4b0-a8ae-7f48-b35e-97cfca5fede7@gmail.com>

Got the renewal quote in. Up 39%. Nothing pertinent has changed here 
since last renewal - other than my age and that of the car.

But it is several hundred cheaper than any other I've found to date. 
Waiting for NFU to contact me - seems they don't quote online.

On 18/09/2023 12:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Mine renews this month, and not yet had the new price. Did a pre-emptive 
> run on the compare sites, and all are higher that last year's premium. 
> With the highest being over ?5K. Last claim I made (for a hit and run) 
> over 20 years ago. I like the idea of a mutual, but NFU have never 
> quoted anywhere near the best price.
> 
> On 18/09/2023 11:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.
>>
>> Doug Puddifoot
>>
>> On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more
>> reasonable.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased
>>> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only
>>> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB!
>>> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>>

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Sep 24 04:51:01 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 10:51:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans
In-Reply-To: <9d352fac-9ce2-3796-ba49-a3dadf39f38e@metronet.co.uk>
References: <jl9298stavvumgtadv25smp9.1694013348929@pgtmedia.co.uk><F6BEFB6B952E4040A4094685EDF4B88B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<9d352fac-9ce2-3796-ba49-a3dadf39f38e@metronet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <23CAA958CD8E45B48C7C361E4B58E2D8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Hi Chris,

Sorry to hear about Graham Beebee ? affectionately known as simply ?Beebee?. His music credentials served him well when, following the birth of his first child, someone at work enquired if he was getting quiet nights. His response was ?no problem ? bambino con sordino?!

He was a really nice guy.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Christopher Pocock via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 3:04 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans

Sad to hear of the passing of Mike and many others over the years.

However,  I am still going strong, well, reasonably so!

I did hear locally that recently Graham Beebee passed away. Some may remember him as a great sound guy and excellent musician who left the Beeb rather early because of his failing eyesight.

I hope to get to another 'disorganised lunch' sometime.

Chris Pocock


On 09/09/2023 23:53, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

  Hi Paul,

  Can?t add to the info but I would imagine even third hand is likely for real. Mike was a thoroughly decent chap, an almost exact contemporary having been on TO 16, the course following mine. On his course, amongst other notables, were Alec Bray, Mike Du Boulay, Dave Hunter, Clive Stevens and Chris Pocock. These old TO Course photos are a sad reminder of how many former colleagues are no longer with us.

  Alec kindly posted video reference details of Bernie?s funeral which I watched earlier today. The ?extras? tacked on to a remarkable life by those who spoke served to magnify still further Bernie?s already acknowledged ability, knowledge and achievements as well as his personal qualities of kindness, helpfulness and human decency. I envy that he knew where he wanted to go and knew how to get there.

  I saw in the church at the start of the service Dudley, in quite animated conversation, but didn?t see him later in the service. Being such a fearfully hot day I hope he was ok.

  Best wishes to everyone,

  Dave Newbitt.





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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Sep 24 10:23:51 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 16:23:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Sad News, Graham Reed,
 former TVC Cameraman has died.
In-Reply-To: <F760C384-A662-482B-B9C8-3DC644CAB70B@gmail.com>
References: <F760C384-A662-482B-B9C8-3DC644CAB70B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9F1DC75B-A6DD-490E-B633-33E7F8573A96@icloud.com>

That is sad news, especially as he was younger than me! I remember him as always cheerful and keen.

> On 24 Sep 2023, at 16:19, Dave Howell via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> Apparently Graham Reed passed away last Saturday, 16th September.
> The screenshot below is from his Facebook page with information from his family. 
> We were on the same TO32 course in September 1969, later both lived in Harpenden and set up a Video business together making Training & Information Videos until he was hired as Producer for a Production Company. Unfortunately the second recession hit, he was made redundant but then became a very successful freelance Lighting Cameraman/LD/Trainer.
> A lovely man, dear friend and will be sadly missed by us.
> RIP Graham
> 
> Dave Howell
> dave.howellsound at gmail.com
> ?????????????????
> 
> 
> 
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? 
Graeme Wall




From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 10:14:11 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:14:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What a coincidence
Message-ID: <dce927b6-aab5-92e1-4cc0-d533dbaba8af@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I found this on the Internet :


Some people will say that there is no such thing as coincidence. There 
certainly could be some reasons for the last two dates...

I wonder if there are more numbers that can be found ...


Best regards,

Alec

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Sep 25 10:53:06 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:53:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What a coincidence
In-Reply-To: <dce927b6-aab5-92e1-4cc0-d533dbaba8af@gmail.com>
References: <dce927b6-aab5-92e1-4cc0-d533dbaba8af@gmail.com>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 11:54:58 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:54:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What a coincidence
In-Reply-To: <A820C661-9C21-4D24-B418-2FD9C6AA0AD4@me.com>
References: <dce927b6-aab5-92e1-4cc0-d533dbaba8af@gmail.com>
	<A820C661-9C21-4D24-B418-2FD9C6AA0AD4@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB0u6ABuLJSSQzsNf_io5oB3tVhzWFxkbiPtbt+d7WdnXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, it was originally an American source (can't claim originality) but I
tidied it up and anglicised it!!
Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Mon, 25 Sept 2023, 16:53 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> With those dates for the starts of WW1 & WW2, I?m pretty certain that you
> weren?t looking at an American site.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 25 Sep 2023, at 16:14, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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> Hi all,
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> I found this on the Internet :
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> Some people will say that there is no such thing as coincidence.  There
> certainly could be some reasons for the last two dates...
>
> I wonder if there are more numbers that can be found ...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alec
>
> --
> =====================================
>
> Alec Brayalec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> MOD:  07789 561 346
> TEL:  0118 981 7502
>
> --
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Sep 25 13:12:50 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:12:50 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] What a coincidence
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB0u6ABuLJSSQzsNf_io5oB3tVhzWFxkbiPtbt+d7WdnXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0HHB0u6ABuLJSSQzsNf_io5oB3tVhzWFxkbiPtbt+d7WdnXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19E7AF7A-08F3-40BE-9645-9AB33AD77CA5@talktalk.net>

Any sums to suggest an end date ?

Hugh Snape

> On 25 Sep 2023, at 18:55, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Well, it was originally an American source (can't claim originality) but I tidied it up and anglicised it!!
> Alec
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
> 
>> On Mon, 25 Sept 2023, 16:53 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> With those dates for the starts of WW1 & WW2, I?m pretty certain that you weren?t looking at an American site.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 25 Sep 2023, at 16:14, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi all,
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>>> I found this on the Internet :  
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>>> Some people will say that there is no such thing as coincidence.  There certainly could be some reasons for the last two dates...
>>> 
>>> I wonder if there are more numbers that can be found ...
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Alec
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> =====================================
>>> 
>>> Alec Bray
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> MOD:  07789 561 346
>>> TEL:  0118 981 7502
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 13:18:08 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:18:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What a coincidence
In-Reply-To: <19E7AF7A-08F3-40BE-9645-9AB33AD77CA5@talktalk.net>
References: <CAA0HHB0u6ABuLJSSQzsNf_io5oB3tVhzWFxkbiPtbt+d7WdnXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAA0HHB2+6QgkWNfayYstKPDh2VP38MjXUj-JX7MRNFQ7EtheUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

1918 - 1914  =  4
1945 - 1939  =  6
So we might guess that the current war will last eight years -  oh dear !!!

Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Mon, 25 Sept 2023, 19:12 Hugh Snape, <hughsnape at talktalk.net> wrote:

> Any sums to suggest an end date ?
>
> Hugh Snape
>
> On 25 Sep 2023, at 18:55, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Well, it was originally an American source (can't claim originality) but I
> tidied it up and anglicised it!!
> Alec
>
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
>
> On Mon, 25 Sept 2023, 16:53 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> With those dates for the starts of WW1 & WW2, I?m pretty certain that you
>> weren?t looking at an American site.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On 25 Sep 2023, at 16:14, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
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>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I found this on the Internet :
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>> [image: rE70aZQ1Uc66z400.png]
>>
>>
>> Some people will say that there is no such thing as coincidence.  There
>> certainly could be some reasons for the last two dates...
>>
>> I wonder if there are more numbers that can be found ...
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> --
>> =====================================
>>
>> Alec Brayalec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> MOD:  07789 561 346
>> TEL:  0118 981 7502
>>
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
> [image: rE70aZQ1Uc66z400.png]--
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Sep 25 14:55:29 2023
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:55:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What a coincidence
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB2+6QgkWNfayYstKPDh2VP38MjXUj-JX7MRNFQ7EtheUQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 04:23:12 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:23:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance
In-Reply-To: <8055c4b0-a8ae-7f48-b35e-97cfca5fede7@gmail.com>
References: <vp2yyq8e2gj5c0atxb51d705.1695031345465@email.android.com>
	<06e619a7-abf8-3174-3189-10987eb93d48@davesound.co.uk>
	<8055c4b0-a8ae-7f48-b35e-97cfca5fede7@gmail.com>
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NFU have just phoned me to quote. Except they don't insure cars in my 
postcode, unless I also have 'commercial' insurance with them. You'd 
think they'd mention this in their website and save everyone's time.

On 21/09/2023 10:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Got the renewal quote in. Up 39%. Nothing pertinent has changed here 
> since last renewal - other than my age and that of the car.
>
> But it is several hundred cheaper than any other I've found to date. 
> Waiting for NFU to contact me - seems they don't quote online.
>
> On 18/09/2023 12:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Mine renews this month, and not yet had the new price. Did a 
>> pre-emptive run on the compare sites, and all are higher that last 
>> year's premium. With the highest being over ?5K. Last claim I made 
>> (for a hit and run) over 20 years ago. I like the idea of a mutual, 
>> but NFU have never quoted anywhere near the best price.
>>
>> On 18/09/2023 11:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>>> The only time I got a quote from the NFU it was double any other I had.
>>>
>>> Doug Puddifoot
>>>
>>> On 18 September 2023, at 10:53, Chris Woolf via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Find yourself a better insurer.... A mutual, like the NFU, is far more
>>> reasonable.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/09/2023 16:22, David John Mundy via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> My latest renewal notice tells me that my car insurance has increased
>>>> from ?449.15 last yesr to ?676.45 this year plus extras! I have only
>>>> done 2000 miles this year with a 1332 cc. Honda Jazz and 24 years NCB!
>>>> (Luckily ULEZ exempt!) What's going on? Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW



From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Sep 28 09:19:52 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 15:19:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Langley-Evans
In-Reply-To: <23CAA958CD8E45B48C7C361E4B58E2D8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Sep 29 13:42:24 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:42:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Compliment from Tony Scott (scam)
In-Reply-To: <PR3P193MB071616AC2E6146118AB3F12499C0A@PR3P193MB0716.EURP193.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PR3P193MB071616AC2E6146118AB3F12499C0A@PR3P193MB0716.EURP193.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604EB6E89D6B28DB8CF6EF3A7C0A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I?m still getting scam (hacked email address?) messages most days as below with a reply address to click on (which I?ve part-removed). 
If you get them, don?t, whatever you do!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 29 Sep 2023, at 17:25, Tony Scott <1367_36350_vicentic_dragica at eprosveta(edit)> wrote:
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Sep 29 14:03:39 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:03:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Compliment from Tony Scott (scam)
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB1604EB6E89D6B28DB8CF6EF3A7C0A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PR3P193MB071616AC2E6146118AB3F12499C0A@PR3P193MB0716.EURP193.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<AM9P191MB1604EB6E89D6B28DB8CF6EF3A7C0A@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <51A690D0-0488-4085-A9EE-23A07125A2A6@mac.com>

I haven?t had this one, but I get quite a few supposedly from Alasdair Lawrance or Roger Long.

Mike G

> On 29 Sep 2023, at 19:42, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?m still getting scam (hacked email address?) messages most days as below with a reply address to click on (which I?ve part-removed). 
> If you get them, don?t, whatever you do!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 29 Sep 2023, at 17:25, Tony Scott <1367_36350_vicentic_dragica at eprosveta(edit)> wrote:
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From philiptyler at me.com  Fri Sep 29 14:38:18 2023
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:38:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Compliment from Tony Scott (scam)
In-Reply-To: <51A690D0-0488-4085-A9EE-23A07125A2A6@mac.com>
References: <51A690D0-0488-4085-A9EE-23A07125A2A6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <063C72B5-6342-43C9-8E5A-0EC64419BF0E@me.com>

I get at least one a week from supposedly yourself Mike. Usually with a link to some ?images? ?you? think I will find interesting.

Thankfully my spam filter spots them first.

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 29 Sep 2023, at 20:04, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> ?I haven?t had this one, but I get quite a few supposedly from Alasdair Lawrance or Roger Long.
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> Mike G
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>> On 29 Sep 2023, at 19:42, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>> I?m still getting scam (hacked email address?) messages most days as below with a reply address to click on (which I?ve part-removed).
>> If you get them, don?t, whatever you do!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
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>>>> On 29 Sep 2023, at 17:25, Tony Scott <1367_36350_vicentic_dragica at eprosveta(edit)> wrote:
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>>>> On Friday, September 29, 2023 10:18 AM, Tony wrote:
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Sep 29 16:02:45 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 22:02:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Compliment from Tony Scott (scam)
In-Reply-To: <063C72B5-6342-43C9-8E5A-0EC64419BF0E@me.com>
References: <51A690D0-0488-4085-A9EE-23A07125A2A6@mac.com>
	<063C72B5-6342-43C9-8E5A-0EC64419BF0E@me.com>
Message-ID: <71F29631-9E15-494C-83F8-5B41D98DFF20@icloud.com>

Quick check in my junk file, yup still getting them ?from? Roger.

> On 29 Sep 2023, at 20:38, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> I get at least one a week from supposedly yourself Mike. Usually with a link to some ?images? ?you? think I will find interesting.
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> Thankfully my spam filter spots them first.
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> Philip and Bee
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> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
> 
>> On 29 Sep 2023, at 20:04, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>> ?I haven?t had this one, but I get quite a few supposedly from Alasdair Lawrance or Roger Long.
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep 2023, at 19:42, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?m still getting scam (hacked email address?) messages most days as below with a reply address to click on (which I?ve part-removed).
>>> If you get them, don?t, whatever you do!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Sep 2023, at 17:25, Tony Scott <1367_36350_vicentic_dragica at eprosveta(edit)> wrote:
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>>>> On Friday, September 29, 2023 10:18 AM, Tony wrote:
>>>> 6 new images - I've posted them for you http://www.(rest deleted)
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