From loizbale at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 03:23:59 2023 From: loizbale at gmail.com (Loiz Bale) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 08:23:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hi there Message-ID: <8196A707-4355-4D0B-9863-93C4695B6410@gmail.com> Dear Robin hope I?m not a bother!! I ?fell? into contact with a Daniel Hall who is working on a documentary about 1974 Eurovision contest also Snowtime Special in Leysin both of which Stan was involved. I have sent him numerous rehearsal photos of Leysin including Abba. But now he wants a bit more technical info and I wondered if you could be bothered to have a chat with him? I do hope I?m not speaking out of turn!! His email is : danielhall at roganproductions.co.uk Love to you Loiz Sent from my iPhone From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Nov 3 04:34:14 2023 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2023 09:34:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] John Barclay Message-ID: For those that new John (TVC vision mixer) he has sadly passed away. His wife Ann (also a TVC VM) wrote 'We have arranged John's funeral and the details are as follows: Thursday 23rd November 2023 St. Peter's Church, Church Lane, Henfield BN5 9NY at 1.00 pm to be followed by a buffet lunch at : Red Oaks, The Hooks, Henfield BN5 9UY at 2.00 pm We celebrated our Silver Wedding anniversary this year in June and I feel truly blessed to have spent so many happy years with him.? So much laughter and fun and I am sure you will? have fond memories to be cherished. If anyone would like to attend, they would be most welcome and if so, please could you email me at anniebarclay22 at gmail.com to confirm numbers for catering.? I will let everyone have the online coverage details as soon as I have them.' ? Paul Thackray ? PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk ? 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They all > worked on the BBC's 1974 transmission of Eurovision: > > John Tiley (Senior Camera Op), Bill Harris (Film Editor), Brian > Whithouse (Postcards Film Editor), Martin Stringer (Graphics), Clive > Potter (Engineering Mgr), Tommy Thomas (Lighting), Chris Holcombe > (Sound), John Burrowes (Design). > > I would appreciate very much if my contact details could be forwarded > onto them with a request they consider helping me on a research call. > I can be found on danielhall at roganproductions.co.uk. Also (of course) > anyone else not listed above who was present in Brighton for that > fantastic broadcast. Many thanks. > > > ???======== > > Best Regards Alec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Woolf From colin at colinhassell.com Mon Nov 6 08:36:43 2023 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 14:36:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision1974 In-Reply-To: <2386b779-373a-4d4d-9624-0be186589ec1@amps.net> References: <2386b779-373a-4d4d-9624-0be186589ec1@amps.net> Message-ID: <5AA1D6EF-8AD7-42E2-922B-F762E9B8837C@colinhassell.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Nov 6 10:05:19 2023 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 16:05:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision1974 In-Reply-To: <2386b779-373a-4d4d-9624-0be186589ec1@amps.net> References: <2386b779-373a-4d4d-9624-0be186589ec1@amps.net> Message-ID: <7629520e-e69a-4ef6-a11b-3278cdad67e7@btinternet.com> Yes, he died many years ago, one of the best IMO. Cheers, Dave On 06/11/2023 13:57, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > I knew Chris Holcombe as a Sound Supervisor at TVC in the 60's. Very > pleasant chap. > He defected to OB's and I believe that he passed away - can anyone > confirm this? > > Pat H > > On 31/10/2023 19:45, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> This appeared on Facebook -? and I know that some of you were involved! >> Posted by Daniel Hall. >> >> >> ?========= >> >> Good morning, members. I'm currently producing a documentary and am >> currently trying to trace these crew for a research call. They all >> worked on the BBC's 1974 transmission of Eurovision: >> >> John Tiley (Senior Camera Op), Bill Harris (Film Editor), Brian >> Whithouse (Postcards Film Editor), Martin Stringer (Graphics), Clive >> Potter (Engineering Mgr), Tommy Thomas (Lighting), Chris Holcombe >> (Sound), John Burrowes (Design). >> >> I would appreciate very much if my contact details could be forwarded >> onto them with a request they consider helping me on a research call. >> I can be found on danielhall at roganproductions.co.uk. Also (of course) >> anyone else not listed above who was present in Brighton for that >> fantastic broadcast. Many thanks. >> >> >> ???======== >> >> Best Regards Alec > From waresound at msn.com Mon Nov 6 13:19:26 2023 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 19:19:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Chris Price In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very sorry to hear this, Chris. We always intended to go and visit Vinhos Cortem, but never actually got around to it. Our trips Southwards tend to be exclusively to Menorca these days, and the only time in recent years that I found myself in Portugal was when working on a Sting concert tour. Even more sad because my Son-in-Law, Sam, is a wine buyer for top restaurants and the likes of M&S and Sainbury?s. He is going to Portugal this coming Wednesday and intended to visit Vinhos Cortem. All the more unfortunate because Sam is mostly a beer drinker, so we benefit rather well from his personal wine allowance! This might be a bad time to go, but can we assume it?s all open for business? Cheers and best, Nick. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 6 Nov 2023, at 14:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Many of you may know of Chris Price - a big name in the Munich-based film world, Ambient, and the originator of the Lockit system. One of the greats of the industry. > > He had a lengthy and productive retirement founding a vineyard and winery in Portugal - Vinhos Cortem. > > Cortem have just announced that he has died. > > He would have said "Tempus fugit" and brushed age and history away - the right thing to do, but still a sad day. > > > Chris Woolf > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Mon Nov 6 13:22:03 2023 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 19:22:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Chris Price In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, whoops - I meant that to go to Chris, not bore you all. N. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 6 Nov 2023, at 14:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Many of you may know of Chris Price - a big name in the Munich-based film world, Ambient, and the originator of the Lockit system. One of the greats of the industry. > > He had a lengthy and productive retirement founding a vineyard and winery in Portugal - Vinhos Cortem. > > Cortem have just announced that he has died. > > He would have said "Tempus fugit" and brushed age and history away - the right thing to do, but still a sad day. > > > Chris Woolf > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From robsuth at live.com Tue Nov 7 13:15:13 2023 From: robsuth at live.com (Robin Sutherland) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:15:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Keith Furlonger Message-ID: I?ve posted this to both Tech Ops addresses as I?m not sure which one / either are fully operational at the moment. Chris Eames has already tried to post this on Announce but failed and asked me to try as well. The sad news is that Keith Furlonger?s wife Mary rang Chris to say that Keith passed away peacefully yesterday and asked him to circulate the news to BBC colleagues who knew him from his OB days but also earlier in studios. Obviously no funeral details yet. Keith had not been well for some time but his death comes as a real shock, one of the stalwarts of OBs and an unforgettable character and lovely guy who will be sadly missed. Robin Sutherland From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 18:01:31 2023 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 00:01:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Big Ben Message-ID: Anyone know why it's suddenly sounding very odd? -- Dave Plowman London, SW From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Nov 10 14:49:42 2023 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:49:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Now & Then Message-ID: The Beatles meet Mona Lisa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oolqq932QvA TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Nov 11 09:13:12 2023 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:13:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes Message-ID: <2A5BA201-9C77-4E7F-B82D-C6ADFDBC62D6@me.com> I have a E-120 VHS of 'White Powder' and 'King Memorex' (1978 & 79). I was going to have the tape copied by Video99, owned by Colin McCormick. Colin has recently done an excellent recovery job for me on a badly creased vhs -> usb stick transfer. He was recommended by Dave Plowman some time ago on this site, and I can vouch for his service Does anyone have a better source tape than VHS, hopefully with fewer generations too? Colin, incidentally, doesn't do reel-to-reel or film, but I'm sure he has contacts. If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. How many other Christmas tapes were there? And are copies available? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Sat Nov 11 10:02:30 2023 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:02:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <2A5BA201-9C77-4E7F-B82D-C6ADFDBC62D6@me.com> References: <2A5BA201-9C77-4E7F-B82D-C6ADFDBC62D6@me.com> Message-ID: <01443db5-ec1c-4008-a1c4-d763325ac524@armoor.co.uk> Dear Alistair, Good afternoon. I have a couple of copies from different sources. The first source was low band U-Matic transferred for me by Grant Watkins from 2 inch Quadruplex, then many years later transferred to digital. The second source came from Dave (dave.mdv at btinternet.com). I transferred his S-VHS copies using a Blackmagic Design: Teranex 2d processor. Dave's copies are superior to my originals. Let me know what format you would like them in (DVD, USB or On-Line) and I'll make copies of both 1978 and 1979. Alas I don't have any other Christmas Tapes, but I do have Grant Watkins 'Exhibition Tape' and OB's 'The Hitch-Hikers Guide to LO-5'. Although the later is damaged. Kind regards Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk On 11/11/2023 15:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > I have a E-120 VHS of 'White Powder' and 'King Memorex' (1978 & 79). > > I was going to have the tape copied by Video99, > ? owned by Colin McCormick. ?Colin has > recently done an excellent recovery job for me on a badly creased vhs -> > usb stick transfer. He was recommended by Dave Plowman some time ago on > this site, and I can vouch for his service > > Does anyone have a better source tape than VHS, hopefully with fewer > generations too? ?Colin, incidentally, doesn't do reel-to-reel or film, > but I'm sure he has contacts. > > If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. ?How many other Christmas tapes > were there? And are copies available? > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > */ > Don?t blame me, I voted?Remain./* > */ > /* > > */ > /* > */ > // > / > * > > > > > > > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Nov 11 11:22:17 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:22:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <01443db5-ec1c-4008-a1c4-d763325ac524@armoor.co.uk> References: <2A5BA201-9C77-4E7F-B82D-C6ADFDBC62D6@me.com> <01443db5-ec1c-4008-a1c4-d763325ac524@armoor.co.uk> Message-ID: <1f8207f4-a40d-4505-88ee-0dc9e522b646@amps.net> That sounds fun! Dave's versions sound the most likely to act as 'master' copies from which to duplicate. I have only VHS versions, courtesy of Malcolm Johnson - one time OB Sound Supervisor whom I trained in Gram Opping at TVC. Incidentally, when I freelanced, I regularly worked at ATV BIrmingham. They had the same ideas to put together an 'outtake's reel. The film unit capture medium was 16mm Arri BL and Nagra. I was pressed to stay up another night to come to the party showing. OK it cost me a night in the MIdland hotel as I was supposed to bugger off back down south at the end of the week! It was worth it, as I knew all the film crews and presenters and journalists, and I got a lift to the hotel from the one PA whom all the guys were trying to get involved with. I've got a couple of other tales of? 'Life at ATV', which I might divulge! Regards Pat H On 11/11/2023 16:02, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote: > Dear Alistair, > > Good afternoon. > > I have a couple of copies from different sources.? The first source > was low band U-Matic transferred for me by Grant Watkins from 2 inch > Quadruplex, then many years later transferred to digital. > > The second source came from Dave (dave.mdv at btinternet.com). I > transferred his S-VHS copies using a Blackmagic Design: Teranex 2d > processor. > > Dave's copies are superior to my originals. > > Let me know what format you would like them in (DVD, USB or On-Line) > and I'll make copies of both 1978 and 1979. > > Alas I don't have any other Christmas Tapes, but I do have Grant > Watkins 'Exhibition Tape' and OB's 'The Hitch-Hikers Guide to LO-5'.? > Although the later is damaged. > > > Kind regards > > Ian Norman > > Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk > > On 11/11/2023 15:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> I have a E-120 VHS of 'White Powder' and 'King Memorex' (1978 & 79). >> >> I was going to have the tape copied by Video99, >> ? owned by Colin McCormick. ?Colin has >> recently done an excellent recovery job for me on a badly creased vhs >> -> usb stick transfer. He was recommended by Dave Plowman some time >> ago on this site, and I can vouch for his service >> >> Does anyone have a better source tape than VHS, hopefully with fewer >> generations too? ?Colin, incidentally, doesn't do reel-to-reel or >> film, but I'm sure he has contacts. >> >> If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. ?How many other Christmas tapes >> were there? And are copies available? >> >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> */ >> Don?t blame me, I voted?Remain./* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Nov 11 11:34:31 2023 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:34:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <1f8207f4-a40d-4505-88ee-0dc9e522b646@amps.net> Message-ID: Thames tv also produced at least one, which I have seen,? but do not think I have a copy. In 1980 (?) as BBC Xmas tapes? had been banned by 'managment ' mainly due to an exposay done by the 'News of the Word' the almost completed Xmas tape had the word 'Easter' dubed over the word 'Christmas' hence that year had an Easter tape, probably the last Christmas tape produced at the BBC??VHS made them too easy to escape in to the public view. Paul Thackray ? PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk ? Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 November 2023 17:22 To: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes That sounds fun! Dave's versions sound the most likely to act as 'master' copies from which to duplicate. I have only VHS versions, courtesy of Malcolm Johnson - one time OB Sound Supervisor whom I trained in Gram Opping at TVC. Incidentally, when I freelanced, I regularly worked at ATV BIrmingham. They had the same ideas to put together an 'outtake's reel. The film unit capture medium was 16mm Arri BL and Nagra. I was pressed to stay up another night to come to the party showing. OK it cost me a night in the MIdland hotel as I was supposed to bugger off back down south at the end of the week! It was worth it, as I knew all the film crews and presenters and journalists, and I got a lift to the hotel from the one PA whom all the guys were trying to get involved with. I've got a couple of other tales of? 'Life at ATV', which I might divulge! Regards Pat H On 11/11/2023 16:02, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote: Dear Alistair, Good afternoon. I have a couple of copies from different sources.? The first source was low band U-Matic transferred for me by Grant Watkins from 2 inch Quadruplex, then many years later transferred to digital. The second source came from Dave (dave.mdv at btinternet.com). I transferred his S-VHS copies using a Blackmagic Design: Teranex 2d processor. Dave's copies are superior to my originals. Let me know what format you would like them in (DVD, USB or On-Line) and I'll make copies of both 1978 and 1979. Alas I don't have any other Christmas Tapes, but I do have Grant Watkins 'Exhibition Tape' and OB's 'The Hitch-Hikers Guide to LO-5'.? Although the later is damaged. Kind regards Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk On 11/11/2023 15:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: I have a E-120 VHS of 'White Powder' and 'King Memorex' (1978 & 79). I was going to have the tape copied by Video99, ? owned by Colin McCormick. ?Colin has recently done an excellent recovery job for me on a badly creased vhs -> usb stick transfer. He was recommended by Dave Plowman some time ago on this site, and I can vouch for his service Does anyone have a better source tape than VHS, hopefully with fewer generations too? ?Colin, incidentally, doesn't do reel-to-reel or film, but I'm sure he has contacts. If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. ?How many other Christmas tapes were there? And are copies available? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com */ Don?t blame me, I voted?Remain./* From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Nov 11 11:37:59 2023 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:37:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5DBBADEF-8265-4AF5-9F5C-B1C74042BFDC@icloud.com> Yorkshire TV and TVS did one each I believe but I don?t know if copies still exist. > On 11 Nov 2023, at 17:34, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Thames tv also produced at least one, which I have seen, but do not think I have a copy. > In 1980 (?) as BBC Xmas tapes had been banned by 'managment ' mainly due to an exposay done by the 'News of the Word' the almost completed Xmas tape had the word 'Easter' dubed over the word 'Christmas' hence that year had an Easter tape, probably the last Christmas tape produced at the BBC? VHS made them too easy to escape in to the public view. > > > > Paul Thackray > > > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > +44 7802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > > Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 11 November 2023 17:22 > To: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes > > > That sounds fun! Dave's versions sound the most likely to act as 'master' copies from which to duplicate. > > I have only VHS versions, courtesy of Malcolm Johnson - one time OB Sound Supervisor whom I trained in Gram Opping at TVC. > > Incidentally, when I freelanced, I regularly worked at ATV BIrmingham. They had the same ideas to put together an 'outtake's reel. > The film unit capture medium was 16mm Arri BL and Nagra. I was pressed to stay up another night to come to the party showing. > > OK it cost me a night in the MIdland hotel as I was supposed to bugger off back down south at the end of the week! > It was worth it, as I knew all the film crews and presenters and journalists, and I got a lift to the hotel from the one PA whom > all the guys were trying to get involved with. > > I've got a couple of other tales of 'Life at ATV', which I might divulge! > > Regards > > Pat H > > > > > > On 11/11/2023 16:02, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote: > > Dear Alistair, > > Good afternoon. > > I have a couple of copies from different sources. The first source was low band U-Matic transferred for me by Grant Watkins from 2 inch Quadruplex, then many years later transferred to digital. > > The second source came from Dave (dave.mdv at btinternet.com). I transferred his S-VHS copies using a Blackmagic Design: Teranex 2d processor. > > Dave's copies are superior to my originals. > > Let me know what format you would like them in (DVD, USB or On-Line) and I'll make copies of both 1978 and 1979. > > Alas I don't have any other Christmas Tapes, but I do have Grant Watkins 'Exhibition Tape' and OB's 'The Hitch-Hikers Guide to LO-5'. Although the later is damaged. > > > Kind regards > > Ian Norman > > Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk > > On 11/11/2023 15:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > I have a E-120 VHS of 'White Powder' and 'King Memorex' (1978 & 79). > > I was going to have the tape copied by Video99, owned by Colin McCormick. Colin has recently done an excellent recovery job for me on a badly creased vhs -> usb stick transfer. He was recommended by Dave Plowman some time ago on this site, and I can vouch for his service > > Does anyone have a better source tape than VHS, hopefully with fewer generations too? Colin, incidentally, doesn't do reel-to-reel or film, but I'm sure he has contacts. > > If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. How many other Christmas tapes were there? And are copies available? > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > */ > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain./* > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? Graeme Wall From mibridge at mac.com Sat Nov 11 11:40:21 2023 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:40:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <1f8207f4-a40d-4505-88ee-0dc9e522b646@amps.net> References: <2A5BA201-9C77-4E7F-B82D-C6ADFDBC62D6@me.com> <01443db5-ec1c-4008-a1c4-d763325ac524@armoor.co.uk> <1f8207f4-a40d-4505-88ee-0dc9e522b646@amps.net> Message-ID: <226DBC85-9247-4BD5-ACB2-9DEDAB28992F@mac.com> I don?t believe Malcolm was ever an SS at OBs. He was a TVC SS for many years and went to Kendal Avenue as Sound Manager, iIrc. Mike G > On 11 Nov 2023, at 17:22, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > That sounds fun! Dave's versions sound the most likely to act as 'master' copies from which to duplicate. > > I have only VHS versions, courtesy of Malcolm Johnson - one time OB Sound Supervisor whom I trained in Gram Opping at TVC. > > Incidentally, when I freelanced, I regularly worked at ATV BIrmingham. They had the same ideas to put together an 'outtake's reel. > The film unit capture medium was 16mm Arri BL and Nagra. I was pressed to stay up another night to come to the party showing. > > OK it cost me a night in the MIdland hotel as I was supposed to bugger off back down south at the end of the week! > It was worth it, as I knew all the film crews and presenters and journalists, and I got a lift to the hotel from the one PA whom > all the guys were trying to get involved with. > > I've got a couple of other tales of 'Life at ATV', which I might divulge! > > Regards > > Pat H > > > > On 11/11/2023 16:02, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote: >> Dear Alistair, >> >> Good afternoon. >> >> I have a couple of copies from different sources. The first source was low band U-Matic transferred for me by Grant Watkins from 2 inch Quadruplex, then many years later transferred to digital. >> >> The second source came from Dave (dave.mdv at btinternet.com ). I transferred his S-VHS copies using a Blackmagic Design: Teranex 2d processor. >> >> Dave's copies are superior to my originals. >> >> Let me know what format you would like them in (DVD, USB or On-Line) and I'll make copies of both 1978 and 1979. >> >> Alas I don't have any other Christmas Tapes, but I do have Grant Watkins 'Exhibition Tape' and OB's 'The Hitch-Hikers Guide to LO-5'. Although the later is damaged. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ian Norman >> >> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >> >> On 11/11/2023 15:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> I have a E-120 VHS of 'White Powder' and 'King Memorex' (1978 & 79). >>> >>> I was going to have the tape copied by Video99, owned by Colin McCormick. Colin has recently done an excellent recovery job for me on a badly creased vhs -> usb stick transfer. He was recommended by Dave Plowman some time ago on this site, and I can vouch for his service >>> >>> Does anyone have a better source tape than VHS, hopefully with fewer generations too? Colin, incidentally, doesn't do reel-to-reel or film, but I'm sure he has contacts. >>> >>> If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. How many other Christmas tapes were there? And are copies available? >>> >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> alawrance1 at me.com >>> */ >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain./* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat H On 11/11/2023 17:34, paul at pgtmedia.co.uk wrote: > Thames tv also produced at least one, which I have seen,? but do not think I have a copy. > In 1980 (?) as BBC Xmas tapes? had been banned by 'managment ' mainly due to an exposay done by the 'News of the Word' the almost completed Xmas tape had the word 'Easter' dubed over the word 'Christmas' hence that year had an Easter tape, probably the last Christmas tape produced at the BBC??VHS made them too easy to escape in to the public view. > > > > Paul Thackray > > > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > +44 7802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > > ? Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 11 November 2023 17:22 > To: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes > > > That sounds fun! Dave's versions sound the most likely to act as 'master' copies from which to duplicate. > > I have only VHS versions, courtesy of Malcolm Johnson - one time OB Sound Supervisor whom I trained in Gram Opping at TVC. > > Incidentally, when I freelanced, I regularly worked at ATV BIrmingham. They had the same ideas to put together an 'outtake's reel. > The film unit capture medium was 16mm Arri BL and Nagra. I was pressed to stay up another night to come to the party showing. > > OK it cost me a night in the MIdland hotel as I was supposed to bugger off back down south at the end of the week! > It was worth it, as I knew all the film crews and presenters and journalists, and I got a lift to the hotel from the one PA whom > all the guys were trying to get involved with. > > I've got a couple of other tales of? 'Life at ATV', which I might divulge! > > Regards > > Pat H > From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Sat Nov 11 12:43:06 2023 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 18:43:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Pat, I was working in Pres A. on Christmas day 1979 and got to see the tape after doing the weather with jack Scott. The following day I was in Tottenham Court Road and the Christmas Tape was already on display in one of the shops. I think it went on sale so fast and became available in most rental shops. Up until then, VT sold off used U-Matic tapes (?1 a tape), but for whatever reason the Beep clamped down on everything. Stopped the Christmas tapes and selling off old U-Matic tapes. Kind regards Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk On 11/11/2023 18:21, Pat Heigham wrote: > The story that I heard was that Management got upset when a Christmas > Tape was doubled headed with a porn movie > and sold in the street markets. > > Thus banned, until Bill Cotton Jr wanted to know where his Christmas > tape was! > > Can anyone confirm this? > > Pat H > > On 11/11/2023 17:34, paul at pgtmedia.co.uk wrote: >> Thames tv also produced at least one, which I have seen,? but do not >> think I have a copy. >> In 1980 (?) as BBC Xmas tapes? had been banned by 'managment ' mainly >> due to an exposay done by the 'News of the Word' the almost completed >> Xmas tape had the word 'Easter' dubed over the word 'Christmas' hence >> that year had an Easter tape, probably the last Christmas tape >> produced at the BBC??VHS made them too easy to escape in to the public >> view. >> >> >> >> Paul Thackray >> >> >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >> >> +44 7802 243979 >> >> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> >> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >> >> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >> >> >> >> ????? Original Message >> >> >> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Sent: 11 November 2023 17:22 >> To: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes >> >> >> That sounds fun! Dave's versions sound the most likely to act as >> 'master' copies from which to duplicate. >> >> I have only VHS versions, courtesy of Malcolm Johnson - one time OB >> Sound Supervisor whom I trained in Gram Opping at TVC. >> >> Incidentally, when I freelanced, I regularly worked at ATV BIrmingham. >> They had the same ideas to put together an 'outtake's reel. >> The film unit capture medium was 16mm Arri BL and Nagra. I was pressed >> to stay up another night to come to the party showing. >> >> OK it cost me a night in the MIdland hotel as I was supposed to bugger >> off back down south at the end of the week! >> It was worth it, as I knew all the film crews and presenters and >> journalists, and I got a lift to the hotel from the one PA whom >> all the guys were trying to get involved with. >> >> I've got a couple of other tales of? 'Life at ATV', which I might >> divulge! >> >> Regards >> >> Pat H >> From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Nov 11 17:20:37 2023 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 23:20:37 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Unfortunate background Message-ID: <0567062DA8A0440380CADFAEFA8737BA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> The railings in Downing St. trying to make a point? I screen-grabbed this back in April and forgot about it until this latest fuss, so I?ll risk amusing some and upsetting others! 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The changes were smoothly executed and the projected floor patterns quite brilliant. But I was disappointed in the programme content - we used to have a gymnastic display, the 'silent' marching of the RAF regiment, and the famous field gun run, also part of the Royal Tournament, now deceased, the results of which were immediately flashed to all Royal Navy ships wherever they were in the world, such was the rivalry and interest. The inclusion of so many musical items made it more of a Top of the Pops running order, to my mind. Clare Balding filled in well for Huw, whom we are led to believe, 'blotted his copybook'! (But I never fail to get weepy when the poppies fall) I wonder if the arena party hold a sweepstake on how many land on them and their headdress. The fact that it was transmitted quite late leads me to think that it was recorded from an earlier actual run - anyone know? It wasn't flagged up in the Radio Times as being 'Live'. I have immense respect for CIIIR - he tried not to look too bored! Will be viewing the service from Whitehall, later, I've always thought that the best mic position to capture the massed bands would be on top of the Cenotaph itself, but don't think even the BBC would be allowed that! The lower mic position results in the pipes at the back getting a bit lost. A final thought - are the guardsmen lining the route armed with live ammunition? Regards Pat H On 11/11/2023 18:43, Ian Norman wrote: > Dear Pat, > > I was working in Pres A. on Christmas day 1979 and got to see the tape > after doing the weather with jack Scott. > > The following day I was in Tottenham Court Road and the Christmas Tape > was already on display in one of the shops.? I think it went on sale > so fast and became available in most rental shops. > > Up until then, VT sold off used U-Matic tapes (?1 a tape), but for > whatever reason the Beep clamped down on everything.? Stopped the > Christmas tapes and selling off old U-Matic tapes. > > > Kind regards > > Ian Norman > > Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk > > On 11/11/2023 18:21, Pat Heigham wrote: >> The story that I heard was that Management got upset when a Christmas >> Tape was doubled headed with a porn movie >> and sold in the street markets. >> >> Thus banned, until Bill Cotton Jr wanted to know where his Christmas >> tape was! >> >> Can anyone confirm this? >> >> Pat H -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Nov 12 03:07:28 2023 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:07:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <452E95EA-DFC4-4A8B-B5AB-F082D9B35AD7@mac.com> I would take issue, Pat, with your rather deprecating reference to Clare Balding ?filling in for Huw?! I think she exceeds his abilities by a mile and never did understand how he managed to assume such an apparently authoritative position, poking his nose into matters that shouldn?t have concerned him, like Olympics opening ceremonies. I never worked with him, but have heard from people who did that he was a nice chap, although I didn?t see or hear evidence of that on air. Mike G > On 12 Nov 2023, at 08:52, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > So parts of the story I knew have a certain veracity, thank you, Ian! > > Apologies for a mixed bundle of message themes in this posting: > Unfortunate backgounds - brilliant! the local pub in a West Country friends' village had a deer's head hung on > the wall of the dining room, it was traditional for people to be stood up and photographed with the antlers > 'growing' out of their heads. > > Festival of Remembrance RAH > Once again, a triumph of the coverage by camera and sound crews. The changes were smoothly executed and the projected floor patterns > quite brilliant. But I was disappointed in the programme content - we used to have a gymnastic display, the 'silent' marching of the RAF > regiment, and the famous field gun run, also part of the Royal Tournament, now deceased, the results of which were immediately flashed > to all Royal Navy ships wherever they were in the world, such was the rivalry and interest. > The inclusion of so many musical items made it more of a Top of the Pops running order, to my mind. > Clare Balding filled in well for Huw, whom we are led to believe, 'blotted his copybook'! > (But I never fail to get weepy when the poppies fall) I wonder if the arena party hold a sweepstake on how many land on them > and their headdress. > > The fact that it was transmitted quite late leads me to think that it was recorded from an earlier actual run - anyone know? > It wasn't flagged up in the Radio Times as being 'Live'. I have immense respect for CIIIR - he tried not to look too bored! > > Will be viewing the service from Whitehall, later, I've always thought that the best mic position to capture the massed bands > would be on top of the Cenotaph itself, but don't think even the BBC would be allowed that! The lower mic position results > in the pipes at the back getting a bit lost. > > A final thought - are the guardsmen lining the route armed with live ammunition? > > Regards > Pat H > > On 11/11/2023 18:43, Ian Norman wrote: >> Dear Pat, >> >> I was working in Pres A. on Christmas day 1979 and got to see the tape after doing the weather with jack Scott. >> >> The following day I was in Tottenham Court Road and the Christmas Tape was already on display in one of the shops. I think it went on sale so fast and became available in most rental shops. >> >> Up until then, VT sold off used U-Matic tapes (?1 a tape), but for whatever reason the Beep clamped down on everything. Stopped the Christmas tapes and selling off old U-Matic tapes. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ian Norman >> >> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >> >>> On 11/11/2023 18:21, Pat Heigham wrote: >>> The story that I heard was that Management got upset when a Christmas Tape was doubled headed with a porn movie >>> and sold in the street markets. >>> >>> Thus banned, until Bill Cotton Jr wanted to know where his Christmas tape was! >>> >>> Can anyone confirm this? >>> >>> Pat H > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Nov 12 03:44:05 2023 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:44:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31934837-CC48-424D-8876-FB08A7B121F4@icloud.com> I?m categorically assured they aren?t! > On 12 Nov 2023, at 08:51, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > A final thought - are the guardsmen lining the route armed with live ammunition? > ? Graeme Wall From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Nov 12 04:29:54 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 10:29:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <452E95EA-DFC4-4A8B-B5AB-F082D9B35AD7@mac.com> References: <452E95EA-DFC4-4A8B-B5AB-F082D9B35AD7@mac.com> Message-ID: My apologies, Mike, maybe I should have written: 'replaced'. Not having a sub-editor, I smack my own wrist! Pat On 12/11/2023 09:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I would take issue, Pat, with your rather deprecating reference to > Clare Balding ?filling in for Huw?! I think she exceeds his abilities > by a mile and never did understand how he managed to assume such an > apparently authoritative position, poking his nose into matters that > shouldn?t have concerned him, like Olympics opening ceremonies. I > never worked with him, but have heard from people who did that he was > a nice chap, although I didn?t see or hear evidence of that on air. > > Mike G > >> On 12 Nov 2023, at 08:52, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> So parts of the story I knew have a certain veracity, thank you, Ian! >> >> Apologies for a mixed bundle of message themes in this posting: >> *Unfortunate backgounds* - brilliant! the local pub in a West Country >> friends' village had a deer's head hung on >> the wall of the dining room, it was traditional for people to be >> stood up and photographed with the antlers >> 'growing' out of their heads. >> >> *Festival of Remembrance RAH >> *Once again, a triumph of the coverage by camera and sound crews. The >> changes were smoothly executed and the projected floor patterns >> quite brilliant. But I was disappointed in the programme content - we >> used to have a gymnastic display, the 'silent' marching of the RAF >> regiment, and the famous field gun run, also part of the Royal >> Tournament, now deceased, the results of which were immediately flashed >> to all Royal Navy ships wherever they were in the world, such was the >> rivalry and interest. >> The inclusion of so many musical items made it more of a Top of the >> Pops running order, to my mind. >> Clare Balding filled in well for Huw, whom we are led to believe, >> 'blotted his copybook'! >> (But I never fail to get weepy when the poppies fall) I wonder if the >> arena party hold a sweepstake on how many land on them >> and their headdress. >> >> The fact that it was transmitted quite late leads me to think that it >> was recorded from an earlier actual run - anyone know? >> It wasn't flagged up in the Radio Times as being 'Live'. I have >> immense respect for CIIIR - he tried not to look too bored! >> >> Will be viewing the service from Whitehall, later, I've always >> thought that the best mic position to capture the massed bands >> would be on top of the Cenotaph itself, but don't think even the BBC >> would be allowed that! The lower mic position results >> in the pipes at the back getting a bit lost. >> >> A final thought - are the guardsmen lining the route armed with live >> ammunition? >> >> Regards >> Pat H >> >> On 11/11/2023 18:43, Ian Norman wrote: >>> Dear Pat, >>> >>> I was working in Pres A. on Christmas day 1979 and got to see the >>> tape after doing the weather with jack Scott. >>> >>> The following day I was in Tottenham Court Road and the Christmas >>> Tape was already on display in one of the shops. I think it went on >>> sale so fast and became available in most rental shops. >>> >>> Up until then, VT sold off used U-Matic tapes (?1 a tape), but for >>> whatever reason the Beep clamped down on everything.? Stopped the >>> Christmas tapes and selling off old U-Matic tapes. >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Ian Norman >>> >>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >>> >>> On 11/11/2023 18:21, Pat Heigham wrote: >>>> The story that I heard was that Management got upset when a >>>> Christmas Tape was doubled headed with a porn movie >>>> and sold in the street markets. >>>> >>>> Thus banned, until Bill Cotton Jr wanted to know where his >>>> Christmas tape was! >>>> >>>> Can anyone confirm this? >>>> >>>> Pat H >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan > On 12 Nov 2023, at 08:52, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > But I was disappointed in the programme content - we used to have a gymnastic display, the 'silent' marching of the RAF regiment, and the famous field gun run, also part of the Royal Tournament, now deceased, the results of which were immediately flashed to all Royal Navy ships wherever they were in the world, such was the rivalry and interest. > Regards > > Pat H > > On 11/11/2023 18:43, Ian Norman wrote: >> Dear Pat, >> >> I was working in Pres A. on Christmas day 1979 and got to see the tape after doing the weather with jack Scott. >> >> The following day I was in Tottenham Court Road and the Christmas Tape was already on display in one of the shops. I think it went on sale so fast and became available in most rental shops. >> >> Up until then, VT sold off used U-Matic tapes (?1 a tape), but for whatever reason the Beep clamped down on everything. Stopped the Christmas tapes and selling off old U-Matic tapes. >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ian Norman >> >> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >> >>> On 11/11/2023 18:21, Pat Heigham wrote: >>> The story that I heard was that Management got upset when a Christmas Tape was doubled headed with a porn movie >>> and sold in the street markets. >>> >>> Thus banned, until Bill Cotton Jr wanted to know where his Christmas tape was! >>> >>> Can anyone confirm this? >>> >>> Pat H > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Nov 12 04:33:36 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 10:33:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <452E95EA-DFC4-4A8B-B5AB-F082D9B35AD7@mac.com> References: <452E95EA-DFC4-4A8B-B5AB-F082D9B35AD7@mac.com> Message-ID: My apologies, Mike. I should have written: 'replaced'. Not having a sub-editor, I smack my own wrist! Pat H On 12/11/2023 09:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I would take issue, Pat, with your rather deprecating reference to > Clare Balding ?filling in for Huw?! I think she exceeds his abilities > by a mile and never did understand how he managed to assume such an > apparently authoritative position, poking his nose into matters that > shouldn?t have concerned him, like Olympics opening ceremonies. I > never worked with him, but have heard from people who did that he was > a nice chap, although I didn?t see or hear evidence of that on air. > > Mike G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 04:55:13 2023 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 10:55:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91ab7fac-7fcc-4021-8ef3-2dd9c5e641aa@gmail.com> ISTR most of the ITV companies made them at one time. They would be played 'up the line' after the period given for sending out commercials. But think VHS killed it off - as too easy to get into the wrong hands. And of course much of them being bloopers, which these days are used to make broadcast progs. On 11/11/2023 17:34, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > Thames tv also produced at least one, which I have seen,? but do not think I have a copy. > In 1980 (?) as BBC Xmas tapes? had been banned by 'managment ' mainly due to an exposay done by the 'News of the Word' the almost completed Xmas tape had the word 'Easter' dubed over the word 'Christmas' hence that year had an Easter tape, probably the last Christmas tape produced at the BBC??VHS made them too easy to escape in to the public view. > > > > Paul Thackray > > > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > +44 7802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > > ? Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 11 November 2023 17:22 > To: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes > > > That sounds fun! Dave's versions sound the most likely to act as 'master' copies from which to duplicate. > > I have only VHS versions, courtesy of Malcolm Johnson - one time OB Sound Supervisor whom I trained in Gram Opping at TVC. > > Incidentally, when I freelanced, I regularly worked at ATV BIrmingham. They had the same ideas to put together an 'outtake's reel. > The film unit capture medium was 16mm Arri BL and Nagra. I was pressed to stay up another night to come to the party showing. > > OK it cost me a night in the MIdland hotel as I was supposed to bugger off back down south at the end of the week! > It was worth it, as I knew all the film crews and presenters and journalists, and I got a lift to the hotel from the one PA whom > all the guys were trying to get involved with. > > I've got a couple of other tales of? 'Life at ATV', which I might divulge! > > Regards > > Pat H > > > > > > On 11/11/2023 16:02, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote: > > Dear Alistair, > > Good afternoon. > > I have a couple of copies from different sources.? The first source was low band U-Matic transferred for me by Grant Watkins from 2 inch Quadruplex, then many years later transferred to digital. > > The second source came from Dave (dave.mdv at btinternet.com). I transferred his S-VHS copies using a Blackmagic Design: Teranex 2d processor. > > Dave's copies are superior to my originals. > > Let me know what format you would like them in (DVD, USB or On-Line) and I'll make copies of both 1978 and 1979. > > Alas I don't have any other Christmas Tapes, but I do have Grant Watkins 'Exhibition Tape' and OB's 'The Hitch-Hikers Guide to LO-5'.? Although the later is damaged. > > > Kind regards > > Ian Norman > > Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk > > On 11/11/2023 15:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > I have a E-120 VHS of 'White Powder' and 'King Memorex' (1978 & 79). > > I was going to have the tape copied by Video99, ? owned by Colin McCormick. ?Colin has recently done an excellent recovery job for me on a badly creased vhs -> usb stick transfer. He was recommended by Dave Plowman some time ago on this site, and I can vouch for his service > > Does anyone have a better source tape than VHS, hopefully with fewer generations too? ?Colin, incidentally, doesn't do reel-to-reel or film, but I'm sure he has contacts. > > If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. ?How many other Christmas tapes were there? And are copies available? > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > */ > Don?t blame me, I voted?Remain./* > > > > > > > > > > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From colin at colinhassell.com Sun Nov 12 05:05:03 2023 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 11:05:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <31934837-CC48-424D-8876-FB08A7B121F4@icloud.com> References: <31934837-CC48-424D-8876-FB08A7B121F4@icloud.com> Message-ID: The police snipers on the rooftops are. Colin Hassell St Albans, Herts, UK > On 12 Nov 2023, at 10:06, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I?m categorically assured they aren?t! > >> On 12 Nov 2023, at 08:51, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> A final thought - are the guardsmen lining the route armed with live ammunition? >> > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sun Nov 12 05:18:55 2023 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 11:18:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Unfortunate background In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One unfortunate picture which always makes me laugh is a picture of the Right Honourable Member for Tatton, photographed in a cider bottling factory. Alan PS If you haven?t noticed what?s so funny, look for his right hand. > On 11 Nov 2023, at 23:33, Alan Taylor wrote: > > ? > There?s a somewhat similar picture of Trump too > > > > > Alan > > >>> On 11 Nov 2023, at 23:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> The railings in Downing St. trying to make a point? >> >> >> >> I screen-grabbed this back in April and forgot about it until this latest fuss, so I?ll risk amusing some and upsetting others! >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 12 Nov 2023, at 11:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > One unfortunate picture which always makes me laugh is a picture of the Right Honourable Member for Tatton, photographed in a cider bottling factory. > > > > Alan > > > > PS > If you haven?t noticed what?s so funny, look for his right hand. > > > > >> On 11 Nov 2023, at 23:33, Alan Taylor wrote: >> >> ? >> There?s a somewhat similar picture of Trump too >> >> >> >> >> Alan >> >> >>> On 11 Nov 2023, at 23:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> The railings in Downing St. trying to make a point? >>> >>> >>> >>> I screen-grabbed this back in April and forgot about it until this latest fuss, so I?ll risk amusing some and upsetting others! >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't remember th outcome, but I did not finish up in the local hospital with dog bites! Another training job was with 'dogcam' Two miniature cams, one on the head and the other on its chest were fed back to a monitor. If an armed villain was hiding in a house, the dog would detect him and was deemed expendable. Pat H On 12/11/2023 10:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Was the field gun run ever part of the Festival of Remembrance? ? I > can only recall covering it as part of the Royal Tournament, usually > from Earls Court. ?I?m not sure that the RAH would be big enough for > it to be staged. > > Alan > >> On 12 Nov 2023, at 08:52, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> But I was disappointed in the programme content - we used to have a >> gymnastic display, the 'silent' marching of the RAF regiment, and the >> famous field gun run, also part of the Royal Tournament, now >> deceased, the results of which were immediately flashed to all Royal >> Navy ships wherever they were in the world, such was the rivalry and >> interest. >> >> Regards >> >> Pat H >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alec Booker may have been in contact with you already and we are very grateful to him for taking on such a sad and difficult task and also for passing on to mum, a number of email addresses of colleagues Mike used to work with and/or meet at the London and Bournemouth lunches. Mike?s Celebration of Life Service will take place on December 1st at Aldershot Crematorium. Please find attached an invitation to attend the service. If you are unable to attend Mike?s service but you would like to follow it online on 1st December, please follow the details on the invitation. We would advise you to log in early as only 100 slots are available! Mike passed away on Saturday 21st October, in Farnham Hospital, following an extended stay at Frimley Park Hospital, following which he had been moved to Farnham Hospital for rehabilitation. He had been lively and engaging with some of the family during the afternoon on Saturday but slipped away peacefully in his sleep later that evening. We know that so many friends love to send flowers but we would rather that you spend your money on a charitable donation to The Alzheimer?s Society. Mike had been suffering from Alzheimer?s for a number of years. You may not know that Mike had volunteered for two medical trials at Surrey University many years ago, as a result of which, we do not believe his Alzheimer?s advanced significantly. Please think about supporting The Alzheimer?s charity. If you are able to attend on the day, please don?t forget to RSVP! With best wishes, Adrienne Tayler (daughter), on behalf of Jeanne Bunting and the family? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All experiences to be undertaken in life! Pat H On 12/11/2023 10:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Was the field gun run ever part of the Festival of Remembrance? ? I > can only recall covering it as part of the Royal Tournament, usually > from Earls Court. ?I?m not sure that the RAH would be big enough for > it to be staged. > > Alan From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Nov 12 13:13:54 2023 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 19:13:54 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Roy Barrett ex BBC Message-ID: <10E21B5FC20B48898712453476395248@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I?m posting this on the TVC Facebook group but thought just possibly one or two of you may have worked with him and perhaps be unaware of his passing. 11 months after the event but I came upon it in a small emporium in Ilminster, Somerset just a few days ago beside a display of his work. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Good memories Graham Maunder > On 12 Nov 2023, at 10:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Was the field gun run ever part of the Festival of Remembrance? I can only recall covering it as part of the Royal Tournament, usually from Earls Court. I?m not sure that the RAH would be big enough for it to be staged. > > Alan > >> On 12 Nov 2023, at 08:52, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> But I was disappointed in the programme content - we used to have a gymnastic display, the 'silent' marching of the RAF regiment, and the famous field gun run, also part of the Royal Tournament, now deceased, the results of which were immediately flashed to all Royal Navy ships wherever they were in the world, such was the rivalry and interest. >> Regards >> >> Pat H >> >> On 11/11/2023 18:43, Ian Norman wrote: >>> Dear Pat, >>> >>> I was working in Pres A. on Christmas day 1979 and got to see the tape after doing the weather with jack Scott. >>> >>> The following day I was in Tottenham Court Road and the Christmas Tape was already on display in one of the shops. I think it went on sale so fast and became available in most rental shops. >>> >>> Up until then, VT sold off used U-Matic tapes (?1 a tape), but for whatever reason the Beep clamped down on everything. 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Pat H On 13/11/2023 12:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > >> On 13 Nov 2023, at 10:05, Graham Maunder >> wrote: >> >> ? Hi Alan >> >> I?m pretty sure that the Field Gun was never run at the RAH but I do >> know that my Dad was in the crew in 1950 (for the Fleet Air Arm) that >> cleaned up and recorded the fastest ever time. He also lost the tip >> of one of his fingers in the process!! >> >> I remember him being very excited when I worked on the Royal >> Tournament during a spell at OB?s. >> >> I?ve attached a pic with him circled in red. He would have been 20 at >> the time. >> >> Good memories >> >> Graham Maunder >> >> >>> On 12 Nov 2023, at 10:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Was the field gun run ever part of the Festival of Remembrance? ? 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Neither of them are on my time-travel bucket list. > > Peter Fox From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com Wed Nov 15 11:07:28 2023 From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 17:07:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Changing email address In-Reply-To: <3707424f-1952-45e9-b678-65361346dd34@amps.net> References: <56DF8C85-6078-40C2-82F7-9E70A001E28D@icloud.com> <7F6AC712-2218-4840-91AD-3C87900108DE@me.com> <3707424f-1952-45e9-b678-65361346dd34@amps.net> Message-ID: When I had to change my email address a while ago for connecting to the tech-ops site, I sent an email to Bernie & he did the necessary. Sadly, I can no longer do that. I need to change my address again. Who do I email now, please? John Nottage -- John Nottage From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Wed Nov 15 15:34:41 2023 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 21:34:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Changing email address References: <01a601da17e8$409d8ed0$c1d8ac70$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: HI John, I think the answer currently is you can, but not sure anyone else can... Go to http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk And put your old email in where it says ' To unsubscribe from Tech1, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options enter your subscription email address:' And follow the instructions... Be careful not to un subscribe, as I do not think anyone can currently add 'new'... I hope this helps. Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 15 November 2023 17:07 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Changing email address When I had to change my email address a while ago for connecting to the tech-ops site, I sent an email to Bernie & he did the necessary. Sadly, I can no longer do that. I need to change my address again. Who do I email now, please? John Nottage -- John Nottage -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Nov 16 10:03:47 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 16:03:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Exhibition In-Reply-To: <65CAFA30-10AC-4D5B-8BC9-7C238FAD13F8@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <000001da17a8$15d3d640$417b82c0$@soundsuper.co.uk> <65CAFA30-10AC-4D5B-8BC9-7C238FAD13F8@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Dr. Who Riverside - I think that episode could be one that I sound mixed whilst training for Supervisor. Under Gordon Mackie's watchful eye! Next to the studios there was a scrapmetal yard - was that where old Daleks went to die? The story I heard that after the first Dalek episodes, the gadget was given to a local Dr. Barnados home, for the kids to play with. Then they took off in popularity and they had to ask for it back! I got a Blue Peter badge for mixing a show in LG (may have been 'E'?). On the face of it, seems like an easy show - far from it! Apart from the multiple presenters in the studio, there could be Ampex Items, TK inserts,maybe musicians as well - could get quite hairy for sound! Memories, memories! Pat H On 15/11/2023 14:23, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > And a Blue Peter badge too! It's good to have connections. > I did have the dubious pleasure of camera operating in R1 on a Bill > Hartnell Dr Who, with ??Enders Julia Smith directing. A box ticked in > my first year! Neither of them are on my time-travel bucket list. > > Peter Fox -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then they took off in popularity and they had to ask for it back! I got a Blue Peter badge for mixing a show in LG (may have been 'E'?). On the face of it, seems like an easy show - far from it! Apart from the multiple presenters in the studio, there could be Ampex Items, TK inserts,maybe musicians as well - could get quite hairy for sound! Memories, memories! Pat H On 15/11/2023 14:23, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: And a Blue Peter badge too! It's good to have connections. I did have the dubious pleasure of camera operating in R1 on a Bill Hartnell Dr Who, with ??Enders Julia Smith directing. A box ticked in my first year! Neither of them are on my time-travel bucket list.? Peter Fox -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 07:46:48 2023 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 13:46:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Abbey Road sound desk. Message-ID: <21e471d5-59bc-4e31-99ee-da290c9b5c58@gmail.com> So which one of you is going to pay ?1m for it? -- Dave Plowman London, SW From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Nov 20 08:52:46 2023 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 14:52:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Abbey Road sound desk. In-Reply-To: <21e471d5-59bc-4e31-99ee-da290c9b5c58@gmail.com> References: <21e471d5-59bc-4e31-99ee-da290c9b5c58@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0C0F4D5D42B348708994EEB676736C9A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Sadly I've just spent all but my last 2 million euros on Napoleon's hat so I'm afraid I'm out. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 1:46 PM To: TechOps Subject: [Tech1] Abbey Road sound desk. So which one of you is going to pay ?1m for it? -- Dave Plowman London, SW -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Mon Nov 20 09:06:25 2023 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 15:06:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Abbey Road sound desk. In-Reply-To: <21e471d5-59bc-4e31-99ee-da290c9b5c58@gmail.com> References: <21e471d5-59bc-4e31-99ee-da290c9b5c58@gmail.com> Message-ID: Having just shelled out ?47M to get my hands on a Ferrari GTO I?m a bit strapped for cash at the moment?. Graham Maunder > On 20 Nov 2023, at 13:46, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > So which one of you is going to pay ?1m for it? > -- > Dave Plowman > London, SW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Nov 21 05:29:36 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 11:29:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Andre Rieu Concert Message-ID: I caught this last night on Sky Arts (Freeview Ch11). Although it was 2011, it was a tremendous rig for sound. The back of the stage was one huge screen, someone on this forum, mentioned that the LED panels clipped together, and I was impressed that the joins were not visible at all. Huge audience in the square at Maastrict and all having a great time! Regards Pat H -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I deleted the head-on shots where the video camera shot included the screen because the artefacts were even more horrendous, but this shot illustrates the problem. The artist is wearing a plain coloured jacket and painting on a white table. The moir? patterning seen on the jacket and table were artefacts created by the interference between the LED screen and the video camera. In Korea, many buildings have immense LED screens. I saw one having new panels craned up into position and the LED pitch was 30-40mm, but when in place on a tall building it looked to be high resolution. The burnt out screen in the middle of this pic is about 20 metres from bottom to top, maybe more. It?s the one I saw having replacement panels fitted. When they tested the panels on the ground prior to installation, they looked rubbish, but once up in position and viewed from afar, they looked very impressive. 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Plus the fact that the operator seems to be squinting through a film-camera-style optical viewfinder. Could be wrong, but that and the wooden Vinten tripod all says ?film? to me. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > That picture is of particular interest to me, not only because of the old OB camera, but also because I was born in Wisbech and was living there at that time. > > In those days it would presumably have been a live broadcast. 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Alan > On 21 Nov 2023, at 16:27, Roger Long wrote: > > ?If?s a film camera from TFS > Double system > Camera and recorder in one blimp > Roger > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> That picture is of particular interest to me, not only because of the old OB camera, but also because I was born in Wisbech and was living there at that time. >> >> In those days it would presumably have been a live broadcast. 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Chris Woolf On 21/11/2023 17:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm not totally sure, but I think that it's a blimped film camera - > 35mm, possibly. > > Although there is what looks like an output cable, so apologies if I'm > wrong! > > Pat H > > On 21/11/2023 15:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> That picture is of particular interest to me, not only because of the >> old OB camera, but also because I was born in Wisbech and was living >> there at that time. >> >> In those days it would presumably have been a live broadcast. ?I had >> a quick look on the BBC genome, but nothing came up for Wisbech in 1957. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:18, Gary Critcher via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Hi all, I spotted this picture and info on Twitter, thought you >>> might like to see them. >>> >>> ? 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Chris Woolf On 22/11/2023 10:37, Roger Long wrote: > It?s a P&ID blimp > Sepmag and 35 mm > Two man lift > Roger > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 Nov 2023, at 10:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hard to tell. >> >> It does have some similarities to a Mitchell blimp, but it isn't >> quite right. >> >> However 1957 would be the era of the CPS Emitron, and the cameras >> from that date were beginning to look like the conventional square >> box with turret and beer handle/focus capstan. So it doesn't look >> like that either. >> >> I think I'll go for 16mm blimped too. Cable could be power or sound sync. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> On 21/11/2023 17:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I'm not totally sure, but I think that it's a blimped film camera - >>> 35mm, possibly. >>> >>> Although there is what looks like an output cable, so apologies if >>> I'm wrong! >>> >>> Pat H >>> >>> On 21/11/2023 15:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> That picture is of particular interest to me, not only because of >>>> the old OB camera, but also because I was born in Wisbech and was >>>> living there at that time. >>>> >>>> In those days it would presumably have been a live broadcast. ?I >>>> had a quick look on the BBC genome, but nothing came up for Wisbech >>>> in 1957. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:18, Gary Critcher via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> Hi all, I spotted this picture and info on Twitter, thought you >>>>> might like to see them. >>>>> >>>>> ? All the best, >>>>> ?Gary C >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Nov 22 05:23:22 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:23:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: References: <688574881.10021671.1700579835480@mail.yahoo.com> <5b6c1797-fbbb-498c-ae5d-432e33331449@amps.net> Message-ID: <4db239aa-3667-4360-8d39-02959e71e78b@amps.net> Both Nick W and I and now Roger Long think it's a blimped film camera. Recall a photo of an early film location shoot by the BBC with clearly a camera similar. Tried looking on the Internet, no result, but lots of pics of electronic cameras! Pat H On 22/11/2023 10:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > Hard to tell. > > It does have some similarities to a Mitchell blimp, but it isn't quite > right. > > However 1957 would be the era of the CPS Emitron, and the cameras from > that date were beginning to look like the conventional square box with > turret and beer handle/focus capstan. So it doesn't look like that either. > > I think I'll go for 16mm blimped too. Cable could be power or sound sync. > > Chris Woolf > > > On 21/11/2023 17:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I'm not totally sure, but I think that it's a blimped film camera - >> 35mm, possibly. >> >> Although there is what looks like an output cable, so apologies if >> I'm wrong! >> >> Pat H >> >> On 21/11/2023 15:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> That picture is of particular interest to me, not only because of >>> the old OB camera, but also because I was born in Wisbech and was >>> living there at that time. >>> >>> In those days it would presumably have been a live broadcast. ?I had >>> a quick look on the BBC genome, but nothing came up for Wisbech in >>> 1957. >>> >>> Alan >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Nov 22 05:49:49 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:49:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: <25119707-2DA9-4685-BEEF-5655E7B6BB83@btinternet.com> References: <25119707-2DA9-4685-BEEF-5655E7B6BB83@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9c8842ce-baa4-4260-865d-4f7d8d134e53@amps.net> Talked to an-ex BBC Film Unit mixer with whom I worked a lot. He remembers that beast as being dual gauge - would run either 35 or 16mm picture, but with 35mm magnetic sound! He remembers that the quality of the audio was pretty ghastly! My Dad was Army (REME) and he used to say that there were three ways of doing something: The right way, the wrong way and the Army way. This can be extended to: The right way, the wrong way and the *BBC* way. Having got into the film industry, it was brilliant when Panavision cameras became the norm as they were self-blimped and pretty quiet. Pat H On 22/11/2023 10:37, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > It?s a P&ID blimp > Sepmag and 35 mm > Two man lift > Roger > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 Nov 2023, at 10:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hard to tell. >> >> It does have some similarities to a Mitchell blimp, but it isn't >> quite right. >> >> However 1957 would be the era of the CPS Emitron, and the cameras >> from that date were beginning to look like the conventional square >> box with turret and beer handle/focus capstan. So it doesn't look >> like that either. >> >> I think I'll go for 16mm blimped too. Cable could be power or sound sync. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> On 21/11/2023 17:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I'm not totally sure, but I think that it's a blimped film camera - >>> 35mm, possibly. >>> >>> Although there is what looks like an output cable, so apologies if >>> I'm wrong! >>> >>> Pat H >>> >>> On 21/11/2023 15:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> That picture is of particular interest to me, not only because of >>>> the old OB camera, but also because I was born in Wisbech and was >>>> living there at that time. >>>> >>>> In those days it would presumably have been a live broadcast. ?I >>>> had a quick look on the BBC genome, but nothing came up for Wisbech >>>> in 1957. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:18, Gary Critcher via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> Hi all, I spotted this picture and info on Twitter, thought you >>>>> might like to see them. >>>>> >>>>> ? 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So copied for those who may not have got it. ********************************************* From Steve Hawkes Good morning gentlemen, I am sorry to burst in on your day unannounced, but I have some bad news and would appreciate your help. Unfortunately, my father Geoffrey Hawkes, passed away suddenly yesterday. It's a huge shock and one I'm still grappling with. Dad forwarded me an email one of his old colleagues sent about a Dr Who Exhibition at Riverside Studios, which I visited and took a stack of pics to chat about with Dad. His sudden death has hit me a little harder, because I won't have the opportunity to show him the photos and listen to his memories of those times. I apologise for using your email addresses uninvited, but hope I've manged to reach his old BBC colleagues. Please can you help me with one favour? I'd like to gather a list of old colleague's email addresses so I can forward details of his funeral service. There will be no pressure to attend, but I'd like to fulfil what I suspect Dad would have wanted by inviting all of you, as he was a big people person. I understand it's a personal choice whether to attend an old colleague's funeral, so there's no pressure or expectation from me. But please do me the courtesy of sharing as many email addresses as possible so I can communicate the details. Thanks for reading this message and I'm sorry to have been the bearer of such shocking bad news. Best wishes to you all Stephen Hawkes **************************************************** -- Dave Plowman London, SW From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Nov 22 09:44:23 2023 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:44:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: References: <9c8842ce-baa4-4260-865d-4f7d8d134e53@amps.net> Message-ID: P&ID had some excellent ideas in some areas, but I think they struggled with having non-operational engineers as their backbone. That meant they didn't always grasp the brilliant operational benefits of certain things - including neopilot. As to MS acquisition.... always a great scheme, most particularly for analogue stereo - excellent for minimising the effect of drop-outs or noise on one track. However it relied on the rest of the personnel chain having a full understanding of MS, and that was never the case. The L/R concept of stereo was too persistent, and the risk of quick news transfers etc ending up with M/S transmissions rather than L/R was too scary. Interesting looking at all the various missed opportunities over the years. Chris Woolf On 22/11/2023 13:28, Roger Long wrote: > P&ID butchered Kudelskis Nagra 3 into a half track machine after > rejecting the clever Neopilot > Track sync > Stefan wouldn?t sell to the BBC after that insult > Only when the 4 came out did they both relinquish > On a similar theme > Why don?t OBs use Midside for stereo ? > Is it because AKG mics were the norm not MKH > I always see spaced mics on events > Roger > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 Nov 2023, at 11:49, Pat Heigham wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Talked to an-ex BBC Film Unit mixer with whom I worked a lot. >> >> He remembers that beast as being dual gauge - would run either 35 or >> 16mm picture, >> but with 35mm magnetic sound! >> He remembers that the quality of the audio was pretty ghastly! >> >> My Dad was Army (REME) and he used to say that there were three ways >> of doing something: >> The right way, the wrong way and the Army way. >> This can be extended to: >> The right way, the wrong way and the *BBC* way. >> >> Having got into the film industry, it was brilliant when Panavision >> cameras became >> the norm as they were self-blimped and pretty quiet. >> >> Pat H >> >> On 22/11/2023 10:37, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> It?s a P&ID blimp >>> Sepmag and 35 mm >>> Two man lift >>> Roger >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 22 Nov 2023, at 10:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> Hard to tell. >>>> >>>> It does have some similarities to a Mitchell blimp, but it isn't >>>> quite right. >>>> >>>> However 1957 would be the era of the CPS Emitron, and the cameras >>>> from that date were beginning to look like the conventional square >>>> box with turret and beer handle/focus capstan. So it doesn't look >>>> like that either. >>>> >>>> I think I'll go for 16mm blimped too. Cable could be power or sound >>>> sync. >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21/11/2023 17:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm not totally sure, but I think that it's a blimped film camera >>>>> - 35mm, possibly. >>>>> >>>>> Although there is what looks like an output cable, so apologies if >>>>> I'm wrong! >>>>> >>>>> Pat H >>>>> >>>>> On 21/11/2023 15:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> That picture is of particular interest to me, not only because of >>>>>> the old OB camera, but also because I was born in Wisbech and was >>>>>> living there at that time. >>>>>> >>>>>> In those days it would presumably have been a live broadcast. ?I >>>>>> had a quick look on the BBC genome, but nothing came up for >>>>>> Wisbech in 1957. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:18, Gary Critcher via Tech1 >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Hi all, I spotted this picture and info on Twitter, thought you >>>>>>> might like to see them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? All the best, >>>>>>> ?Gary C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Nov 22 10:25:45 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:25:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: References: <9c8842ce-baa4-4260-865d-4f7d8d134e53@amps.net> Message-ID: <402716fc-6bf5-4b2f-960a-c5b6b9cfc4e5@amps.net> What an absolute disgrace! I attach a screed as to what I managed to engineer for filming Fiddler on the Roof. Much reliant on BBC training! The 'modified' two track Nagra tapes were balanced for vocal/orch in case it was necessary to go to a standard full track machine for back up playback. I had a disaster shoot for Yorkshire TV which insisted on stereo A/B, when I wanted to offer M/S. And spoke to the editors and dubbing mixer first! Should have stuck to my guns! My kit incorporates the MKH 60/30 rig. Being a rifle shot, I recorded some FX at Bisley, with two AKG C451's in coincident capsule. Was amased at the accuracy. Pat H On 22/11/2023 13:28, Roger Long wrote: > P&ID butchered Kudelskis Nagra 3 into a half track machine after > rejecting the clever Neopilot > Track sync > Stefan wouldn?t sell to the BBC after that insult > Only when the 4 came out did they both relinquish > On a similar theme > Why don?t OBs use Midside for stereo ? > Is it because AKG mics were the norm not MKH > I always see spaced mics on events > Roger > Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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" No he said, that doesn't work, we had a problem last time" I had an idea as to what the problem had been. and set up a test, later. I suspected that the stereo mic was collectng the audio from the interview, and that one or both radio mics were out of phase. Test showed that was the case. Do we have to wear a badge that says: "I know what I'm doing - your previous guy was shit"? Pat H On 22/11/2023 16:41, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I was able to play the director my local backups of the DATs to > demonstrate that the dialogue on the M track was crystal clear and > that if I mixed in the S signal, it sounded dreadful in exactly the > same way it had done when viewing the rushes, or became clean once > again if I faded it out. > > Copying the DATs as instructed restored the quality to what it should > be, but it got that series off to a shaky start because I had never > worked with that director or DoP before. ?Their initial impression of > my competence was negatively impacted by that faulty transfer and it > took a few days to regain their confidence. > > Alan > a From relong at btinternet.com Wed Nov 22 11:56:42 2023 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:56:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: <93A065B5-06CF-4124-9B86-0D4405DE25BB@me.com> References: <93A065B5-06CF-4124-9B86-0D4405DE25BB@me.com> Message-ID: When I first went Foster PD4 Dat I was working on the Millennium' Only Fools and Horses? Shot MS 10 days in ,on the lunch Double Decker Tony Dow the directors sat down with me and casually mentioned They can?t get any sound from your rushes Rog? 10 days in! I assured Tony and the producer Gareth that I had heard all of it off the ?confidence head? on the PD4 I t must be there, all the tapes were sent down from Technicolor Labs and I listened at home ,all OK Fostex sent me another machine and I transferred them all my self I t transpired that Technicolor Xfer was set with Sony DAT players that did not recognise Fostex TimeCode track layout.. It amazed me that Production had such confidence in me and new Tech It certainly petrified me. Fostex and Sony eventually agreed a layout configuration. The three shows had a record audience of 26 million viewers. I watched with bated breath. Roger > On 22 Nov 2023, at 16:41, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I did a fairly prestigious drama series which was shot on film. The sound was recorded to DAT in MS. Knowing how problems arise down the chain, every single DAT case and sheet of track listings contained a summary of how the audio should be handled. In particular I stressed that simple transcriptions for listening purposes should have only the M track copied to both tracks of the VHS and the S track should be temporarily ignored. > > Sure enough, on the second morning of shooting I got a panic phone call saying that the sound of the rushes was totally unacceptable. I immediately guessed what had happened and spoke to the guy who did the transfer. He hasn?t read any notes, he just copied everything like he normally did, which ended up with equal amounts of the M ( dialogue ) and S ( reverberation ) being mixed onto one track. > > I was able to play the director my local backups of the DATs to demonstrate that the dialogue on the M track was crystal clear and that if I mixed in the S signal, it sounded dreadful in exactly the same way it had done when viewing the rushes, or became clean once again if I faded it out. > > Copying the DATs as instructed restored the quality to what it should be, but it got that series off to a shaky start because I had never worked with that director or DoP before. Their initial impression of my competence was negatively impacted by that faulty transfer and it took a few days to regain their confidence. > > Alan > >> On 22 Nov 2023, at 15:46, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> P&ID had some excellent ideas in some areas, but I think they struggled with having non-operational engineers as their backbone. That meant they didn't always grasp the brilliant operational benefits of certain things - including neopilot. >> >> As to MS acquisition.... always a great scheme, most particularly for analogue stereo - excellent for minimising the effect of drop-outs or noise on one track. However it relied on the rest of the personnel chain having a full understanding of MS, and that was never the case. The L/R concept of stereo was too persistent, and the risk of quick news transfers etc ending up with M/S transmissions rather than L/R was too scary. >> >> Interesting looking at all the various missed opportunities over the years. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >> On 22/11/2023 13:28, Roger Long wrote: >>> P&ID butchered Kudelskis Nagra 3 into a half track machine after rejecting the clever Neopilot >>> Track sync >>> Stefan wouldn?t sell to the BBC after that insult >>> Only when the 4 came out did they both relinquish >>> On a similar theme >>> Why don?t OBs use Midside for stereo ? >>> Is it because AKG mics were the norm not MKH >>> I always see spaced mics on events >>> Roger >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 22 Nov 2023, at 11:49, Pat Heigham wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Talked to an-ex BBC Film Unit mixer with whom I worked a lot. >>>> >>>> He remembers that beast as being dual gauge - would run either 35 or 16mm picture, >>>> but with 35mm magnetic sound! >>>> He remembers that the quality of the audio was pretty ghastly! >>>> >>>> My Dad was Army (REME) and he used to say that there were three ways of doing something: >>>> The right way, the wrong way and the Army way. >>>> This can be extended to: >>>> The right way, the wrong way and the BBC way. >>>> >>>> Having got into the film industry, it was brilliant when Panavision cameras became >>>> the norm as they were self-blimped and pretty quiet. >>>> >>>> Pat H >>>> >>>> On 22/11/2023 10:37, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> It?s a P&ID blimp >>>>> Sepmag and 35 mm >>>>> Two man lift >>>>> Roger >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 Nov 2023, at 10:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Hard to tell. >>>>>> >>>>>> It does have some similarities to a Mitchell blimp, but it isn't quite right. >>>>>> >>>>>> However 1957 would be the era of the CPS Emitron, and the cameras from that date were beginning to look like the conventional square box with turret and beer handle/focus capstan. So it doesn't look like that either. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I'll go for 16mm blimped too. Cable could be power or sound sync. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21/11/2023 17:12, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> I'm not totally sure, but I think that it's a blimped film camera - 35mm, possibly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although there is what looks like an output cable, so apologies if I'm wrong! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat H >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21/11/2023 15:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> That picture is of particular interest to me, not only because of the old OB camera, but also because I was born in Wisbech and was living there at that time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In those days it would presumably have been a live broadcast. I had a quick look on the BBC genome, but nothing came up for Wisbech in 1957. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 15:18, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> Hi all, I spotted this picture and info on Twitter, thought you might like to see them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All the best, >>>>>>>>> Gary C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 12:09:31 2023 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:09:31 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: <2d02fbfa-97ef-4ed0-a7de-63bbb818887e@amps.net> References: <93A065B5-06CF-4124-9B86-0D4405DE25BB@me.com> <2d02fbfa-97ef-4ed0-a7de-63bbb818887e@amps.net> Message-ID: <004701da1d6f$0b0cbb10$21263130$@gmail.com> It's Roland Garros! -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Pat Heigham via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 5:47 PM To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] attached Oh! Dear! I had a set up, recording some interviews at the Roland Gallos Stadium. I had two radio mics on the participants, and arranged an M/S mic behind them for stereo FX. The director was panicking: "What are you doing?" I explained... " No he said, that doesn't work, we had a problem last time" I had an idea as to what the problem had been. and set up a test, later. I suspected that the stereo mic was collectng the audio from the interview, and that one or both radio mics were out of phase. Test showed that was the case. Do we have to wear a badge that says: "I know what I'm doing - your previous guy was shit"? Pat H On 22/11/2023 16:41, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I was able to play the director my local backups of the DATs to > demonstrate that the dialogue on the M track was crystal clear and > that if I mixed in the S signal, it sounded dreadful in exactly the > same way it had done when viewing the rushes, or became clean once > again if I faded it out. > > Copying the DATs as instructed restored the quality to what it should > be, but it got that series off to a shaky start because I had never > worked with that director or DoP before. Their initial impression of > my competence was negatively impacted by that faulty transfer and it > took a few days to regain their confidence. > > Alan > a -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Nov 22 13:37:43 2023 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:37:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58F808FE-3E73-464A-9619-5F0534DB6302@me.com> I?ve always been quite obsessive about getting timecode right and in the early days of timecode I suspect that I got some repeat bookings because I also sorted out timecode problems for the camera department too. I had a Deneke timecode analyser which did all sorts of clever things, one of which was to measure how far the camera and sound had drifted out of sync ( to an accuracy of 1/40th of a frame ). If we knew for certain that they stay well in sync for hours at a time, it was not so necessary to check sync too often. When shooting a series on film, I made sure that the timecode was working flawlessly, but during a chance conversation with the facility company who did the transfers, I discovered that they didn?t bother using the timecode on the audio recordings. It was a well known company with a good reputation. Apparently they digitised the audio onto hard disks and simply matched it up on the clapper board by looking for the distinctive sharp pattern of a clapperboard on the audio waveform and then winding back to listen to the shot ident. It was done on a shot by shot basis, then running the two together to transfer it. They were locked together, but would only be in sync if they start off in sync. I mentioned how timecode synchronisers reliably and automatically slave the audio replay to the pictures, but was told it?s great when it works, but the clapper board never lies. I?m still not convinced that their workflow was good practice, but do have to concede that we didn?t encounter any sync problems. Alan > On 22 Nov 2023, at 17:56, Roger E Long wrote: > > I t transpired that Technicolor Xfer was set with Sony DAT players that did not recognise Fostex TimeCode track layout.. > From waresound at msn.com Wed Nov 22 17:05:51 2023 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:05:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: <58F808FE-3E73-464A-9619-5F0534DB6302@me.com> References: <58F808FE-3E73-464A-9619-5F0534DB6302@me.com> Message-ID: A certain very wise person who happens to be on this forum once wrote: ?A clapper board only serves to tell you when to start counting how many frames out of sync it has gone.? (Didn?t you, Chris?!) And in digital systems that?s true for timecode too, because it?s not a linear track as such, but merely a timestamp in the file header (metadata). Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > On 22 Nov 2023, at 19:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I?ve always been quite obsessive about getting timecode right and in the early days of timecode I suspect that I got some repeat bookings because I also sorted out timecode problems for the camera department too. I had a Deneke timecode analyser which did all sorts of clever things, one of which was to measure how far the camera and sound had drifted out of sync ( to an accuracy of 1/40th of a frame ). If we knew for certain that they stay well in sync for hours at a time, it was not so necessary to check sync too often. > > When shooting a series on film, I made sure that the timecode was working flawlessly, but during a chance conversation with the facility company who did the transfers, I discovered that they didn?t bother using the timecode on the audio recordings. It was a well known company with a good reputation. > > Apparently they digitised the audio onto hard disks and simply matched it up on the clapper board by looking for the distinctive sharp pattern of a clapperboard on the audio waveform and then winding back to listen to the shot ident. It was done on a shot by shot basis, then running the two together to transfer it. They were locked together, but would only be in sync if they start off in sync. I mentioned how timecode synchronisers reliably and automatically slave the audio replay to the pictures, but was told it?s great when it works, but the clapper board never lies. I?m still not convinced that their workflow was good practice, but do have to concede that we didn?t encounter any sync problems. > > Alan > > > >> On 22 Nov 2023, at 17:56, Roger E Long wrote: >> >> I t transpired that Technicolor Xfer was set with Sony DAT players that did not recognise Fostex TimeCode track layout.. >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsnape at talktalk.net Thu Nov 23 00:30:58 2023 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:30:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95294328-0F3F-45EA-96A7-23442A2421FF@talktalk.net> And yet, sadly, it seems to persist as the ?easiest? way of doing things . . . Hugh > On 22 Nov 2023, at 23:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?A certain very wise person who happens to be on this forum once wrote: ?A clapper board only serves to tell you when to start counting how many frames out of sync it has gone.? > (Didn?t you, Chris?!) > And in digital systems that?s true for timecode too, because it?s not a linear track as such, but merely a timestamp in the file header (metadata). > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 22 Nov 2023, at 19:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I?ve always been quite obsessive about getting timecode right and in the early days of timecode I suspect that I got some repeat bookings because I also sorted out timecode problems for the camera department too. I had a Deneke timecode analyser which did all sorts of clever things, one of which was to measure how far the camera and sound had drifted out of sync ( to an accuracy of 1/40th of a frame ). If we knew for certain that they stay well in sync for hours at a time, it was not so necessary to check sync too often. >> >> When shooting a series on film, I made sure that the timecode was working flawlessly, but during a chance conversation with the facility company who did the transfers, I discovered that they didn?t bother using the timecode on the audio recordings. It was a well known company with a good reputation. >> >> Apparently they digitised the audio onto hard disks and simply matched it up on the clapper board by looking for the distinctive sharp pattern of a clapperboard on the audio waveform and then winding back to listen to the shot ident. It was done on a shot by shot basis, then running the two together to transfer it. They were locked together, but would only be in sync if they start off in sync. I mentioned how timecode synchronisers reliably and automatically slave the audio replay to the pictures, but was told it?s great when it works, but the clapper board never lies. I?m still not convinced that their workflow was good practice, but do have to concede that we didn?t encounter any sync problems. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >>>> On 22 Nov 2023, at 17:56, Roger E Long wrote: >>> >>> I t transpired that Technicolor Xfer was set with Sony DAT players that did not recognise Fostex TimeCode track layout.. >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 02:39:43 2023 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:39:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 1960s TV production Message-ID: I wondereed if anyone would like a copy of *1960s TV variety show production (early stages)* This short movie features work by ex-BBC Light Entertainments producer Francis Essex for commercial television. I recorded it on 20 November 2023 as part of the Footage Detectives programme on Talking Pictures TV. It is too long to post on tech-1, but I could make it available on WeTransfer for anyone interested. Alteernatively, it should be available on the TV channel's catchup service.. KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Nov 23 05:38:24 2023 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:38:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: References: <58F808FE-3E73-464A-9619-5F0534DB6302@me.com> Message-ID: On 22/11/2023 23:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > A certain very wise person who happens to be on this forum once wrote: ?A clapper board only serves to tell you when to start counting how many frames out of sync it has gone.? > (Didn?t you, Chris?!) Guilty as charged, sir! Sadly, the way that TC functions, most particularly in the analogue world, but even now in the independently running digital workflow one, is very poorly understood. The errors with plesiochronous running - that's two machines running at nominally the same speed, but not actually locked - produces constant misinformed statements about "accuracy", while failing to grasp that there is always the possibility of a +/- 1frame error with such systems. I spent hours explaining about the inevitable mis-framing of PAL Betacams to DATs, when a camera was stopped at the end of a shot, and how to prevent it. And trying to explain that the concept of "time" and "counting frames" were two different things - /Time/ code was such an unfortunate term in some respects. And I spent even longer trying to get across the idea of a fixed number of AES audio frames needing to be matched to a fixed number of video frames if you wanted to avoid random glitches and clicks as the system tries to match incorrect numbers together. For sound guys the concept of locking their "perfect" audio machines to what they regarded as inconsistent video was anathema, and in refusing to do it they never seemed to grasp that the sync problems were their own fault. The fact that video frame generators had an accuracy an order of magnitude better than their (unlocked) word clocks never registered. Nowadays, when digital audio rates can be changed on the fly, it is possible to correct misframing automatically, but /still/ very few operators and editors have much grasp of how sync and TC labelling really functions. This is probably because all that sort of stuff happened after the detail training era of the BBC and ITV, and is nowadays covered by /ad hoc /training or simply trying to learn by experience. Given the levels of education and rational thinking that is a risky method. Ah me! [End board - clap!!] Chris > And in digital systems that?s true for timecode too, because it?s not a linear track as such, but merely a timestamp in the file header (metadata). > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 22 Nov 2023, at 19:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I?ve always been quite obsessive about getting timecode right and in the early days of timecode I suspect that I got some repeat bookings because I also sorted out timecode problems for the camera department too. I had a Deneke timecode analyser which did all sorts of clever things, one of which was to measure how far the camera and sound had drifted out of sync ( to an accuracy of 1/40th of a frame ). If we knew for certain that they stay well in sync for hours at a time, it was not so necessary to check sync too often. >> >> When shooting a series on film, I made sure that the timecode was working flawlessly, but during a chance conversation with the facility company who did the transfers, I discovered that they didn?t bother using the timecode on the audio recordings. It was a well known company with a good reputation. >> >> Apparently they digitised the audio onto hard disks and simply matched it up on the clapper board by looking for the distinctive sharp pattern of a clapperboard on the audio waveform and then winding back to listen to the shot ident. It was done on a shot by shot basis, then running the two together to transfer it. They were locked together, but would only be in sync if they start off in sync. I mentioned how timecode synchronisers reliably and automatically slave the audio replay to the pictures, but was told it?s great when it works, but the clapper board never lies. I?m still not convinced that their workflow was good practice, but do have to concede that we didn?t encounter any sync problems. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >>> On 22 Nov 2023, at 17:56, Roger E Long wrote: >>> >>> I t transpired that Technicolor Xfer was set with Sony DAT players that did not recognise Fostex TimeCode track layout.. >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Nov 23 07:38:51 2023 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 13:38:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] attached In-Reply-To: References: <58F808FE-3E73-464A-9619-5F0534DB6302@me.com> Message-ID: <397bb075-3b13-4bad-bb6a-d89a20757e83@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 22/11/2023 23:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > A certain very wise person who happens to be on this forum once wrote: ?A clapper board only serves to tell you when to start counting how many frames out of sync it has gone.? > (Didn?t you, Chris?!) Guilty as charged, sir! Sadly, the way that TC functions, most particularly in the analogue world, but even now in the independently running digital workflow one, is very poorly understood. The errors with plesiochronous running - that's two machines running at nominally the same speed, but not actually locked - produces constant misinformed statements about "accuracy", while failing to grasp that there is always the possibility of a +/- 1frame error with such systems. I spent hours explaining about the inevitable mis-framing of PAL Betacams to DATs, when a camera was stopped at the end of a shot, and how to prevent it. And trying to explain that the concept of "time" and "counting frames" were two different things - /Time/ code was such an unfortunate term in some respects. And I spent even longer trying to get across the idea of a fixed number of AES audio frames needing to be matched to a fixed number of video frames if you wanted to avoid random glitches and clicks as the system tries to match incorrect numbers together. For sound guys the concept of locking their "perfect" audio machines to what they regarded as inconsistent video was anathema, and in refusing to do it they never seemed to grasp that the sync problems were their own fault. The fact that video frame generators had an accuracy an order of magnitude better than their (unlocked) word clocks never registered. Nowadays, when digital audio rates can be changed on the fly, it is possible to correct misframing automatically, but /still/ very few operators and editors have much grasp of how sync and TC labelling really functions. This is probably because all that sort of stuff happened after the detail training era of the BBC and ITV, and is nowadays covered by /ad hoc /training or simply trying to learn by experience. Given the levels of education and rational thinking that is a risky method. Ah me! [End board - clap!!] Chris > And in digital systems that?s true for timecode too, because it?s not a linear track as such, but merely a timestamp in the file header (metadata). > Nick Ware - sent from my iPad > >> On 22 Nov 2023, at 19:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I?ve always been quite obsessive about getting timecode right and in the early days of timecode I suspect that I got some repeat bookings because I also sorted out timecode problems for the camera department too. I had a Deneke timecode analyser which did all sorts of clever things, one of which was to measure how far the camera and sound had drifted out of sync ( to an accuracy of 1/40th of a frame ). If we knew for certain that they stay well in sync for hours at a time, it was not so necessary to check sync too often. >> >> When shooting a series on film, I made sure that the timecode was working flawlessly, but during a chance conversation with the facility company who did the transfers, I discovered that they didn?t bother using the timecode on the audio recordings. It was a well known company with a good reputation. >> >> Apparently they digitised the audio onto hard disks and simply matched it up on the clapper board by looking for the distinctive sharp pattern of a clapperboard on the audio waveform and then winding back to listen to the shot ident. It was done on a shot by shot basis, then running the two together to transfer it. They were locked together, but would only be in sync if they start off in sync. 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URL: From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 04:37:29 2023 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:37:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Daleks - in colour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps the most famous incident like that was on Blue Peter, and live. They had two Horse Guards on, in their magnificent dress uniform, and mounted. During their spot, one horse, obviously a stallion, got, shall we say, excited. The other decided to empty its bladder, which must have been full to capacity. Gallons of it. Cablers try to push the Heron to the next position and one fell over, and got covered in grey paint and worse. On that day in particular, was happy to be on sound and get a birds eye view of all this from the boom. On 24/11/2023 08:51, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > I remember the blue floor paint - in particular, it was water based and > one show involved some slapstick water chucked about, > so the paint was gradually coming off, this turned the floor into what > was virtually an ice rink - the Heron couldn't get traction > and was sliding all over the place! > > Pat H > > On 23/11/2023 22:33, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >> Well, I was gobsmacked!! >> >> Studio D Lime Grove - rope hoist lighting bars, huge dimmers on the >> studio floor, CPSEmitron cameras - but didn't it all look GOOD!! >> Amazeballs... >> >> I had to chuckle at the light blue painted floor, as so many times the >> studio floors were actually painted that colour in the '60s... >> >> >> Best regards >> Alec > -- Dave Plowman London, SW From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Nov 24 04:51:18 2023 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:51:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Daleks - in colour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can't remember the actual LE show I know we had a full pack of hounds on as a joke. No rehearsal, and of course they all used every ped they could find as a lampost! Chris Woolf On 24/11/2023 10:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Perhaps the most famous incident like that was on Blue Peter, and live. > They had two Horse Guards on, in their magnificent dress uniform, and > mounted. During their spot, one horse, obviously a stallion, got, > shall we say, excited. The other decided to empty its bladder, which > must have been full to capacity. Gallons of it. Cablers try to push > the Heron to the next position and one fell over, and got covered in > grey paint and worse. On that day in particular, was happy to be on > sound and get a birds eye view of all this from the boom. > > On 24/11/2023 08:51, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> I remember the blue floor paint - in particular, it was water based >> and one show involved some slapstick water chucked about, >> so the paint was gradually coming off, this turned the floor into >> what was virtually an ice rink - the Heron couldn't get traction >> and was sliding all over the place! >> >> Pat H >> >> On 23/11/2023 22:33, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >>> Well, I was gobsmacked!! >>> >>> Studio D Lime Grove - rope hoist lighting bars, huge dimmers on the >>> studio floor, CPSEmitron cameras - but didn't it all look GOOD!!? >>> Amazeballs... >>> >>> I had to chuckle at the light blue painted floor, as so many times >>> the studio floors were actually painted that colour in the '60s... >>> >>> >>> Best regards >>> Alec >> > From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Nov 24 05:42:25 2023 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 11:42:25 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Daleks - in colour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6951D92D77C3406BA817C269C7BE6CCB@NewOffice> I worked on a play set aboard a space station which has been invaded by an unseen alien force. The final scene was in a laboratory. On a bench were eight large jars, in each a glowing throbbing brain floating in gloopy liquid, actually wallpaper paste. The last shot was a Jim Atkinson special. Jim?s camera was the alien force, with a rotating fuzzy mask bolted to the front. The plan was for Jim to start in a wide shot, track in to, and along the bench. As each jar came into view it would explode. Obviously not rehearsable, it had to be a one take wonder. I was operating a camera on the gantry so had a grand view. It all started well, the first jar came into close up, and smashed?..dumping a gallon of wallpaper paste onto the water soluble floor paint, followed by a second gallon, and a third?? At this point, with Jims feet going ten to a dozen trying to get some traction, a quick thinking studio attendant (remember them) rushed in with his broom to try to sweep away the growing tide while exclaiming ?come on Jim, come on Jim? How Jim managed to stay on his feet I will never know, but he did, and somehow completed the shot. Maybe not quite as intended, but watching the result, you would never realise the utter chaos that was happening behind the camera. Doug Puddifoot From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: Friday, November 24, 2023 10:51 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Daleks - in colour Can't remember the actual LE show I know we had a full pack of hounds on as a joke. No rehearsal, and of course they all used every ped they could find as a lampost! Chris Woolf On 24/11/2023 10:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Perhaps the most famous incident like that was on Blue Peter, and live. > They had two Horse Guards on, in their magnificent dress uniform, and > mounted. During their spot, one horse, obviously a stallion, got, > shall we say, excited. The other decided to empty its bladder, which > must have been full to capacity. Gallons of it. Cablers try to push > the Heron to the next position and one fell over, and got covered in > grey paint and worse. On that day in particular, was happy to be on > sound and get a birds eye view of all this from the boom. > > On 24/11/2023 08:51, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> I remember the blue floor paint - in particular, it was water based >> and one show involved some slapstick water chucked about, >> so the paint was gradually coming off, this turned the floor into >> what was virtually an ice rink - the Heron couldn't get traction >> and was sliding all over the place! >> >> Pat H >> >> On 23/11/2023 22:33, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >>> Well, I was gobsmacked!! >>> >>> Studio D Lime Grove - rope hoist lighting bars, huge dimmers on the >>> studio floor, CPSEmitron cameras - but didn't it all look GOOD!! >>> Amazeballs... >>> >>> I had to chuckle at the light blue painted floor, as so many times >>> the studio floors were actually painted that colour in the '60s... >>> >>> >>> Best regards >>> Alec >> > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm > not really a fan any more (I was in 1963 when I was 9) but I thought I'd > have a look because there's been so much build up and hype about it. > > If anyone did, how did you find the dialogue ? > > Hugh Snape > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Sat Nov 25 15:54:10 2023 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2023 21:54:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who Special . . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425ECCF7-3697-4E62-B4C6-F02E0697026A@icloud.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > > On 25 Nov 2023, at 21:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > As an ex cameraman, anmong other roles, I thought the effects and > background music were too loud compared to the dialogue level - but hey! > What do I know? Be interested to read the views of the real techie experts > like Nick, Pat, Alan etc. > Geoff F > > On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 at 20:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I didn?t watch it, Hugh, but let me guess ~ mumbled? >> >> Mike G >> >> >> On 25 Nov 2023, at 20:04, Hugh Snape via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> I wonder whether anyone else here watched the Dr Who special just now. >> I'm not really a fan any more (I was in 1963 when I was 9) but I thought >> I'd have a look because there's been so much build up and hype about it. >> >> If anyone did, how did you find the dialogue ? >> >> Hugh Snape >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Nov 26 05:03:44 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 11:03:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who Special . . . In-Reply-To: References: <425ECCF7-3697-4E62-B4C6-F02E0697026A@icloud.com> Message-ID: I use a small Bose Soundlink speaker off my bedroom TV, a Samsung. mainly to have nearer my ears, so I do not disturb neighbours with a high sound level. It's a bit bassy, which is a Bose default, and that helps to muddy the sound. For large screen film shows, I've recently used a Bose Soundbar, fed with a fibre optic cable from an HDMI breakout box having an output selector switch for 2 ch or more. At least the soundbar has a remote control, so I can ride the level from the projector position. It seems adequate, according to my usual audiences. Other friends have invested in a Sony Bravia 32", but use a soundbar, too. Don't remember the make. Nudging 81, my hearing has deteriorated, and I'm constantly told to get organised with hearing aids. This started with tinnitus, as a result of target rifle shooting without sensible hearing protectors. Measured 20db drop at 6Khz - not good. Pic shows the 6 ft screen installed in friends' dining room, although I managed to rig my 9 ft one for Fiddler on the Roof, South Pacific and a Cinerama DVD. Great fun for a social evening! And got to have a Tom & Jerry, first! Regards Pat H On 25/11/2023 22:07, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > > We use a sound bar rather than the integral TV sound. Presumably that > makes some difference! > > Best regards Alec > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Oak Lea Odeon 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1793656 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun Nov 26 05:18:46 2023 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 11:18:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Geoff Hawkes Message-ID: <017501da205a$53965ec0$fac31c40$@pgtmedia.co.uk> I have just seen this in the Archive, posted by Dave, but not sure it was sent out, (I for one did not receive it) I have re sent bit to both Tech Ops & the Announce group. Apologies if you have already received it >From Steve Hawkes. Good morning gentlemen, I am sorry to burst in on your day unannounced, but I have some bad news and would appreciate your help. Unfortunately, my father Geoffrey Hawkes, passed away suddenly yesterday. It's a huge shock and one I'm still grappling with. Dad forwarded me an email one of his old colleagues sent about a Dr Who Exhibition at Riverside Studios, which I visited and took a stack of pics to chat about with Dad. His sudden death has hit me a little harder, because I won't have the opportunity to show him the photos and listen to his memories of those times. I apologise for using your email addresses uninvited, but hope I've manged to reach his old BBC colleagues. Please can you help me with one favour? I'd like to gather a list of old colleague's email addresses so I can forward details of his funeral service. There will be no pressure to attend, but I'd like to fulfil what I suspect Dad would have wanted by inviting all of you, as he was a big people person. I understand it's a personal choice whether to attend an old colleague's funeral, so there's no pressure or expectation from me. But please do me the courtesy of sharing as many email addresses as possible so I can communicate the details. Thanks for reading this message and I'm sorry to have been the bearer of such shocking bad news. Best wishes to you all Stephen Hawkes Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Nov 26 06:07:36 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 12:07:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Presenter delivery and TV commercials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78900134-7c7c-4441-97eb-50284d09ee45@amps.net> Don't know about being a 'techie expert'! But I was taught by JJ- EE how to even out a presenter's delivery. (on the faders) The worst guy I dealt with was the presenter of Moral Maze. He would drop his voice level when he ran out of breath at he end of a sentence, so one compensated, but had to be alert for a full level when a new breath taken! Now, a moan about TV commercials - yes I know it's not BBC, this time. I'm fed up with sweepy, swirley shots, and wobbly cam handheld, and such quick cutting to not register in the viewers' eyeballs. But the usual moan about shrinking the credits to a small space at the corner of the frame..... And a long list of Production personnel, but not matched by technicians..... I replied to Natasha's (Alumni secretary) notification about Dr Who, saying that, as usual, it's always the artiste luvvies that get the exposure, little about the skills of the camera and sound crews that get the stuff on screen to start with. Was it Michael Grade who promised that technicians should receive their moment of glory, but /that /didn't last long! At least, working on Feature films, I did get a few credits with my name across a 30 foot screen! Bah! Humbug! Pat H (techie expert??) On 25/11/2023 21:49, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > As an ex cameraman, anmong other roles, I thought the effects and > background music were too loud compared to the dialogue level - but > hey! What do I know? Be interested to read the views of the real > techie experts like Nick, Pat, Alan etc. > Geoff F > > On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 at 20:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > I didn?t watch it, Hugh, but let me guess ~ mumbled? > > Mike G > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Nov 26 07:08:23 2023 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 13:08:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Presenter delivery and TV commercials In-Reply-To: <6A10CD46-62DB-41FF-A91E-E518FEB68B8C@me.com> References: <78900134-7c7c-4441-97eb-50284d09ee45@amps.net> <6A10CD46-62DB-41FF-A91E-E518FEB68B8C@me.com> Message-ID: <201313cf-2555-491f-a353-2db1c5410d8b@amps.net> Love the airship idea! 30ft is the size of the screen in the Theatre 7 (John Barry theatre) at Pinewood. Working on a Michael Winner film, I suffered his snide remarks to the crew, but I wanted to sample the Caribbean on someone else's wallet. Lovely hotel in Antigua! I was boom operator. Two days before the wrap, I was trying for a dialogue line from Sohia Loren, right at the back of the set, in a real house, so the ceiling could not be struck. The pole whipped and was caught in frame. Winner then proceeded to give me a lecture on how to boom operate. I ignored him and went to the props truck to get another box to stand on. If it hadn't been for the fact that the sound crew would have been sacked on the spot, I wish I had had the balls to hand him the pole, and told him to do it, as he seemed to know so much about it! I encountered him later, recording some interviews at BAFTA - he decided to blank me, in spite of my working for him for eight weeks! He would call all the crew 'arseholes'. My mixer watching all this, said, Michael will never bad? mouth you, Pat, because he doesn't now how you would react. Well, he might have got a bunch of fives, but I knew he was a trained lawyer, so I would have faced an assault charge. Might have been worth it! Regards Pat H On 26/11/2023 12:30, Alan Taylor wrote: > Only 30 feet Pat? > > I mixed a live Tomorrow?s World from the Milton Keynes area where the > closing credits were written by means of a ground based laser onto the > envelope of an enormous airship overhead. Each name was at least a > couple of hundred feet long. > > I asked what precautions were taken to avoid blinding the crew of the > airship. ?The reply was that they were told not to look down. ?The > pilot also had a ?kill switch?. ?He had to switch on a transmitter > before the laser could function and if he switched it off, or the > signal was lost, the laser shuts down. > > The show was done from a small scanner where the sound desk was next > to the vision mixing desk. ?Each item in the show was dreamed up by a > different producer and they all hung around in the scanner getting in > the way. ?Ten minutes before the transmission, I had to leave the > scanner to sort out a minor problem. ?When I returned, one of those > producers was sat at the sound desk, so I just stood at the back for a > moment. The director looked over, saw him there and asked where Alan > was? ?I said ?I?m here? and he asked why I wasn?t at the sound desk. > ?I said that as the producer decided to sit there, I assumed he was > planning to mix the show himself. > > I?ve never seen somebody get out of a chair quite so fast. > > All the best > > Alan From saranewman at hotmail.com Mon Nov 27 13:58:18 2023 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 19:58:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Geoff Hawks Message-ID: Hi. Very sad news that Geoff Hawks has passed Does anyone have an address for him and any more information He was such a wonderful person Always kind and considerate Sarax Sent from my iPhone