From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jul  1 02:17:16 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 08:17:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Who to cheer for?
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I do agree with both Barry's and Alan's comments, but from a viewer's 
angle rather than crew.
Who needs the pundits? They've all got an opinion - some pundits were 
expert players in their own right and qualified to pass comment, but 
most couldn't justify their presence.
Not keen on sport, myslef, but enjoyed the best tennis players' skill 
and the Six Nations Rugby, but soccer and cricket are not on my menu.
I enjoyed working PSC for HBO at Wimbledon, the US channels liked to 
make interesting little profile films for their audiences back home - 
one year we sampled the strawberries and champagne,
and investigated a racquet re-stringing service set up in a nearby 
house. Also the lady's changing room! (Empty at the time). Up on the 
Simon crane was buttock clenching - one could not
see what was holding you up and was somewhat worrying.
Interviewing the major players was good - one of the nicest was Pete 
Sampras, in no hurry to escape after his interview and stayed chatting 
while we reset for the next participant.

Alan's plea for a dedicated BBC sports channel is long overdue, but that 
particular prize is held by Sky - maybe a question of who's got the 
looser purse strings!

In the past, it was pleasant to relax in the Video Village, built mostly 
by NBC, I believe, until the Wimbledon head honchos decided to hide all 
the MCR's in a grim garage under the 'Media' Centre.

I'm feeling my age as I now find little on TV to attract my attention 
and do not have clue as to the provenance of the 'celebrity' 
participants on various game shows.
Never was 'Pointless Celebrities' more aptly titled!

Keep well, y'all

Pat H

On 30/06/2023 19:19, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote:
> And don?t get me started on bloody golf. Sunny on the greens but 
> flipping cold and no toilets on the towers. And then golf loonies 
> start climbing the scaffolding of the towers (designed to take the 
> weight of a cameraman plus camera gear) . All me shots started getting 
> wobbly and I felt very much in danger . Perhaps I should have taken a 
> pee over the edge to encourage the climbers to get down to ground level.
> Oh yes , and just as we were getting ready to de rig and start the two 
> hundred mile flyer home the golfers decide to draw scores and start 
> all over again!
> Snooker?..loved hurricane Higgins as he played shots very quickly so 
> matches ended on time?.but there was always a couple who took ages for 
> each shot ,with the same result of not getting home on time.
> Oh yes?.I remember ? The Good Old Days? in the stinky theatre in 
> Leeds. Nightmare scenario was if Ken Dodd was performing , he always 
> overran by what seemed like hours.
> Still much better for me than ? Goin? down t?pit ? where I grew up I 
> suppose.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 18:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ? Who to cheer for? Er?nobody. I?m 100% with Barry and Alan on this! 
>> I did 21 years of Wimbledon - because the money was good - and 10 
>> years of Masterchef (not so good), and loathe both of them now. 
>> Boring same-old, same-old. And don?t even get me started on the 
>> Repair Shop!
>> Cheers, (yes, happily living up to the well-earned name: ?Mr Grumpy?!)
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 16:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> I have always wanted the BBC to have a dedicated sports channel. 
>>> ?Then they would be able to televise whatever sporting events they 
>>> fancy and I could avoid all of it. Although I have little doubt that 
>>> if there were a BBC Sport channel, they would still try to spread 
>>> all those tedious sporting events over every other channel too.
>>>
>>> My particular gripe is how events like snooker or tennis can 
>>> massively overrun their scheduled transmission time while a 
>>> programme which I wanted to see is cancelled. That cancelled show 
>>> isn?t even available on iPlayer. Nor is there a caption explaining 
>>> whether the scheduled programme has been cancelled, or will follow.
>>>
>>> Sports production teams don?t merely overrun while the event 
>>> overruns. ?After it has finished, the pundits have to talk about it 
>>> and they invariably finish by showing a compilation highlights VT of 
>>> the event. ?If an event runs over, they should only be allowed to 
>>> overrun for the remaining duration of that event and then abruptly 
>>> stop. ?Most sports fans don?t care what the pundits think and other 
>>> viewers just want them to shut up, go away and let the scheduled 
>>> programme start. Other production teams have worked jolly hard to 
>>> create their programmes which should be being transmitted at that time.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 15:56, B Wilkinson via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Can I cheer for when it is all over. I cannot stand all the groans 
>>>> and grunts from the players. Barry hates tennis!
>>>> <image.png>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 14:48, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wimbledon Tennis once again,
>>>>> but no Federer, no Nadal and no Sue Barker for the interviews.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose we still have Murray....
>>>>>
>>>>> Some years ago, Nigel, cameraman, and I turned up at Eastbourne 
>>>>> for HBO or perhaps NBC, and were refused entry,
>>>>> as the Americans hadn't bothered to arrange press coverage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nigel strolled across the road and knocked on the door of one of 
>>>>> the houses opposite,
>>>>> "Can we borrow your front garden?"
>>>>> The couple were delighted (a bundle of petty cash dispensed and 
>>>>> they produced two garden chairs and
>>>>> many mugs of tea, plus they had the chance to meet some of the top 
>>>>> lady players who were brought
>>>>> over in turn for the interview! (and Sue Barker!)
>>>>> A superb bit of PR on Nigel's part.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>> (who used to project an HD picture on the wall of girlfriend's 
>>>>> sitting room for the Men's final,
>>>>> munching a picnic on a rug on the floor)
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
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>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Jul  2 05:51:11 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 11:51:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Who to cheer for?
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Vested interests would object to the BBC having a sports channel so it could not happen (even if the BBC could fund it, which they can not!)

 

BBC 1 was not even permited a BBC 1 plus 1 (suggested when BBC 3 went on line) Ofcom decided it was unfair competition for other broadcasters! (Its not about what the viewers want?)

 

(I hate sport, but BT Sport has paid me quite a bit over the last 10 years, but not anymore as it closes / becomes TNT Sports later this month (controlled by Warner Brothers Discovery) 

 

Paul

 

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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Pat Heigham via Tech1
Sent: 01 July 2023 08:17
To: B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com>; Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com>; Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who to cheer for?

 

I do agree with both Barry's and Alan's comments, but from a viewer's angle rather than crew.
Who needs the pundits? They've all got an opinion - some pundits were expert players in their own right and qualified to pass comment, but most couldn't justify their presence.
Not keen on sport, myslef, but enjoyed the best tennis players' skill and the Six Nations Rugby, but soccer and cricket are not on my menu.
I enjoyed working PSC for HBO at Wimbledon, the US channels liked to make interesting little profile films for their audiences back home - one year we sampled the strawberries and champagne,
and investigated a racquet re-stringing service set up in a nearby house. Also the lady's changing room! (Empty at the time). Up on the Simon crane was buttock clenching - one could not
see what was holding you up and was somewhat worrying.
Interviewing the major players was good - one of the nicest was Pete Sampras, in no hurry to escape after his interview and stayed chatting while we reset for the next participant.

Alan's plea for a dedicated BBC sports channel is long overdue, but that particular prize is held by Sky - maybe a question of who's got the looser purse strings!

In the past, it was pleasant to relax in the Video Village, built mostly by NBC, I believe, until the Wimbledon head honchos decided to hide all the MCR's in a grim garage under the 'Media' Centre.

I'm feeling my age as I now find little on TV to attract my attention and do not have clue as to the provenance of the 'celebrity' participants on various game shows.
Never was 'Pointless Celebrities' more aptly titled!

Keep well, y'all

Pat H

On 30/06/2023 19:19, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote:

And don?t get me started on bloody golf. Sunny on the greens but flipping cold and no toilets on the towers. And then golf loonies start climbing the scaffolding of the towers (designed to take the weight of a cameraman plus camera gear) . All me shots started getting wobbly and I felt very much in danger . Perhaps I should have taken a pee over the edge to encourage the climbers to get down to ground level. 

Oh yes , and just as we were getting ready to de rig and start the two hundred mile flyer home the golfers decide to draw scores and start all over again!

Snooker?..loved hurricane Higgins as he played shots very quickly so matches ended on time?.but there was always a couple who took ages for each shot ,with the same result of not getting home on time.

Oh yes?.I remember ? The Good Old Days? in the stinky theatre in Leeds. Nightmare scenario was if Ken Dodd was performing , he always overran by what seemed like hours. 

Still much better for me than ? Goin? down t?pit ? where I grew up I suppose.

Sent from my iPad





On 30 Jun 2023, at 18:51, Nick Ware via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Who to cheer for? Er?nobody. I?m 100% with Barry and Alan on this! I did 21 years of Wimbledon - because the money was good - and 10 years of Masterchef (not so good), and loathe both of them now. Boring same-old, same-old. And don?t even get me started on the Repair Shop! 

Cheers, (yes, happily living up to the well-earned name: ?Mr Grumpy?!)
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad





On 30 Jun 2023, at 16:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 

I have always wanted the BBC to have a dedicated sports channel.  Then they would be able to televise whatever sporting events they fancy and I could avoid all of it. Although I have little doubt that if there were a BBC Sport channel, they would still try to spread all those tedious sporting events over every other channel too.

 

My particular gripe is how events like snooker or tennis can massively overrun their scheduled transmission time while a programme which I wanted to see is cancelled. That cancelled show isn?t even available on iPlayer. Nor is there a caption explaining whether the scheduled programme has been cancelled, or will follow.

 

Sports production teams don?t merely overrun while the event overruns.  After it has finished, the pundits have to talk about it and they invariably finish by showing a compilation highlights VT of the event.  If an event runs over, they should only be allowed to overrun for the remaining duration of that event and then abruptly stop.  Most sports fans don?t care what the pundits think and other viewers just want them to shut up, go away and let the scheduled programme start. Other production teams have worked jolly hard to create their programmes which should be being transmitted at that time.

 

Alan

 

 

 





On 30 Jun 2023, at 15:56, B Wilkinson via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Can I cheer for when it is all over. I cannot stand all the groans and grunts from the players. Barry hates tennis!  

<image.png>

 

Sent from my iPad





On 30 Jun 2023, at 14:48, Pat Heigham via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 

Wimbledon Tennis once again,
but no Federer, no Nadal and no Sue Barker for the interviews.

I suppose we still have Murray....

Some years ago, Nigel, cameraman, and I turned up at Eastbourne for HBO or perhaps NBC, and were refused entry,
as the Americans hadn't bothered to arrange press coverage.

Nigel strolled across the road and knocked on the door of one of the houses opposite,
"Can we borrow your front garden?"
The couple were delighted (a bundle of petty cash dispensed and they produced two garden chairs and
many mugs of tea, plus they had the chance to meet some of the top lady players who were brought
over in turn for the interview! (and Sue Barker!)
A superb bit of PR on Nigel's part.

Pat
(who used to project an HD picture on the wall of girlfriend's sitting room for the Men's final,
munching a picnic on a rug on the floor)

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From techtone at protonmail.com  Sun Jul  2 09:30:08 2023
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2023 14:30:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Computer peripherals
Message-ID: <tG40AXH3xPe-lWZcJGCrPubVoU26MxeL2bmJTUtLBRgUUbVyhjI873qCEZGLotkgdWwLbOsZMcPMsUaH2Gw909fhqiurBLdVpyLgi7FN9bk=@protonmail.com>

I'm not sure if I posted a few years back about 3 hard drives failing in the space of a week, one being in the mac mini I had, and the others being back-ups. Fortunately, one of my computer guru friends, who lived in the village at the time (and now has a huge IT company locally) helped sort things out, and installed SSD memory in the mini. Since then, I've been totally anal about back-ups, and in the current process of finishing my re-arrangement of computers, and backing up my wife's mini, the back-up was taking forever and a day. Yes, the hard disc had failed.

OK, the main thrust of this email follows on from talking to one of my U3A friends, who when working was associated with IT departments in education, and told me that much worse things had happened in academia, citing a case at Cardiff Uni many years ago when their main system (I assume a RAID) completely failed, and to make matters worse, their back-up, which he called a 'mirror', hadn't been working throughout that year. Thus, the whole of the year's student work was lost.

I also told him that my own upheavals had started with a change of ISP and a new router which wouldn't fit where the old did. I then said that I always unplugged it if there was likely to be thunder and lightning (we had had a severe lightning strike a couple of hundred yards up the road a few months ago which completely wrecked quite q few of my neighbours' routers, etc.) but otherwise left it on. But he doesn't leave his on, he said, because it only advertises the fact that you have some computing equipment, and can be vulnerable to determined hackers, in spite of password protection. He assures me that it doesn't materially alter his speed when he turns it on, and a side issue is that he saves a few pennies on his electricity.

So I'd be interested in your views as to the pros and cons of routers on/off.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  2 09:58:52 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 15:58:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Computer peripherals
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Hi Tony,
A tale about backups...
I got called at 21:30 to go to a company at Nottingham immediately next day
as their installation of our company's software had failed.  Big groan, as
the developers at the company had not paid attention during training a year
before.
Got to site, checked yesterday's backup of our software: nothing.  Checked
the previous day's backup: nothing.  In fact, they had months and months of
NO backups although everything seemed  to be working. Long story short,
towards the end of the day, I noticed that they were running a virus
checker.  "Oh yes", they said, "Must run a virus checker!"  Oh no you
mustn't!  The virus checker locks a file when checking.  The INFOMIX
database software that we used as part of the product would try to do a
backup - and find the datafile locked by the virus checker.  So the
Informix backup software shrugged its shoulders and reported a backup
failure.
No one had bothered to check, and no one had tried to restore from backup...
That was at the end of a long day which had included one of the systems
guys deleting the user "informix" which was one of the Windows
Administrator users because "we don't have a user called informix"...
Really.

The company was Markem which made dotmatrix printers to print on production
line products like supermarket packaging.

Be paranoid about backups, be very paranoid!!

Best regards Alec


Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Sun, 2 Jul 2023, 15:30 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm not sure if I posted a few years back about 3 hard drives failing in
> the space of a week, one being in the mac mini I had, and the others being
> back-ups. Fortunately, one of my computer guru friends, who lived in the
> village at the time (and now has a huge IT company locally) helped sort
> things out, and installed SSD memory in the mini. Since then, I've been
> totally anal about back-ups, and in the current process of finishing my
> re-arrangement of computers, and backing up my wife's mini, the back-up was
> taking forever and a day. Yes, the hard disc had failed.
>
> OK, the main thrust of this email follows on from talking to one of my U3A
> friends, who when working was associated with IT departments in education,
> and told me that much worse things had happened in academia, citing a case
> at Cardiff Uni many years ago when their main system (I assume a RAID)
> completely failed, and to make matters worse, their back-up, which he
> called a 'mirror', hadn't been working throughout that year. Thus, the
> whole of the year's student work was lost.
>
> I also told him that my own upheavals had started with a change of ISP and
> a new router which wouldn't fit where the old did. I then said that I
> always unplugged it if there was likely to be thunder and lightning (we had
> had a severe lightning strike a couple of hundred yards up the road a few
> months ago which completely wrecked quite q few of my neighbours' routers,
> etc.) but otherwise left it on. But he doesn't leave his on, he said,
> because it only advertises the fact that you have some computing equipment,
> and can be vulnerable to determined hackers, in spite of password
> protection. He assures me that it doesn't materially alter his speed when
> he turns it on, and a side issue is that he saves a few pennies on his
> electricity.
>
> So I'd be interested in your views as to the pros and cons of routers
> on/off.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
>
> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Jul  2 16:58:08 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 22:58:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Computer peripherals
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul  3 03:27:53 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 09:27:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Computer peripherals
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I back up data files to MicroSD cards, rotating two in turn, every week. 
Keep one in my wallet.
Router stays on 24/7 as my wristband alarm requires a wi-fi connection 
to the Internet,
and I too listen to radio on a tablet, which also links to the Internet.
Plus new BT phones use Broadband.

Pat H

On 02/07/2023 22:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m afraid that there is no real downtime on my router, because 
> contrary to all advice, I use my phone for several things, including 
> iPlayer and BBC sounds, until I?m actually falling asleep, then I let 
> it run a Vodafone sponsored research project, which was looking at 
> Covid-19 for a long time and is now doing something equally worthy 
> which escapes me. That continues until I am sufficiently awake in the 
> morning to use BBC Sounds again to listen to the Today programme.
>
> And on back-ups, a friend who runs his accountancy business from home 
> only discovered that his back-up disc had been disconnected when his 
> computer hard disc failed. The most recent version he could locate was 
> over a year old!
>
> After a problem with my previous lap-top which required a full factory 
> reset, I suddenly realised that I was then totally reliant on my 
> back-up disc and Sod?s Law being what it is, I felt quite vulnerable, 
> lest the single back-up should fail, so I then began leapfrogging 
> back-ups between two external hard drives. This conversation has 
> reminded me that I must buy a second larger back-up disc to continue 
> that habit with my current laptop, which has too great a capacity for 
> my original external drives. Where did I get all this stuff which has 
> filled 75% of my terabyte drive? My wife says it?s a bit like the 
> garage, which is also overflowing with a lifetime?s accumulated junk, 
> which I insist consists (mostly) of potentially useful items! Come to 
> think of it, the office is much the same. Pity our poor children if I 
> don?t get around to sorting all of this out before I peg it!
>
> But isn?t technology wonderful?
>
> Mike G
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jul  3 04:27:04 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 10:27:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Computer peripherals
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 05:50:08 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:50:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Computer peripherals
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Hi all,

Multiple backup drives is of course the best solution.

One problem with hard drives is that they can suffer head crashes: 
basically, instead of skimming the surface, the head crashes onto the 
disk surface and ploughs its own furrow.

This happened to me on a customer site: we often maintained an image of 
the customer setup so we could check on things off-site. This customer 
was another "problem" customer, but this time it was the hardware, not 
the user.? Again, long story short, one part of our installation refused 
to work properly.? Got al our experts involved with this customer, but 
to no avail.

So I was on customer site, trying to figure out why a bog-standard 
installation was refusing to work, thought I'd check on the set-up.? Out 
came the portable hard drive, connect up to the lap-top, and --- well, 
there is quite a definite sound when the hard drive head has hit the 
platter, once you have heard it you will not forget it.? No back-up to 
refer to, once again flying by the seat of one's pants...

And talking of flying:? I was travelling across lots of Europe with my 
job (note, quicker to get back from Copenhagen than from West Wales 
...).? The number of times I have been sat in front of the server, with 
the taxi for the airport minutes away, before something "magically" 
decided to work properly...


Best regards,

Alec

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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Mon Jul  3 09:35:41 2023
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul  3 10:06:03 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 16:06:03 +0100
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Well, there's always "Berlin Express" !

Pat H

On 03/07/2023 15:35, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote:
> Looks like the BBC will be under fire again (justifiably so) - just 
> thought I?d check in on Wimbledon (3:30 today) and BBC1 & BBC2 have 
> been showing the same match for the last 12 minutes!
> Last time I worked there I believe there were 18 courts???
>
> Graham Maunder
> 07831 515678
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Mon Jul  3 10:22:58 2023
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 16:22:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Who to cheer for?
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Even if there is a rain delay, surely one channel could show some highlights of matches so far etc.

Sheer laziness to have identical coverage for what in the end was nearly 30 mins.

Wouldn?t have happened on my watch!!!

Graham Maunder

> On 3 Jul 2023, at 15:39, Peter Neill <peter.neill at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Rain?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
>> On 3 Jul 2023, at 15:36, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Looks like the BBC will be under fire again (justifiably so) - just thought I?d check in on Wimbledon (3:30 today) and BBC1 & BBC2 have been showing the same match for the last 12 minutes!
>> Last time I worked there I believe there were 18 courts???
>> 
>> Graham Maunder
>> 07831 515678
>> 
>>> On 2 Jul 2023, at 11:52, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Vested interests would object to the BBC having a sports channel so it could not happen (even if the BBC could fund it, which they can not!)
>>>  
>>> BBC 1 was not even permited a BBC 1 plus 1 (suggested when BBC 3 went on line) Ofcom decided it was unfair competition for other broadcasters! (Its not about what the viewers want?)
>>>  
>>> (I hate sport, but BT Sport has paid me quite a bit over the last 10 years, but not anymore as it closes / becomes TNT Sports later this month (controlled by Warner Brothers Discovery)
>>>  
>>> Paul
>>>  
>>> Paul Thackray
>>>  
>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>> +44 7802 243979
>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>>>  
>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk/>
>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746>
>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/>
>>>  
>>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Pat Heigham via Tech1
>>> Sent: 01 July 2023 08:17
>>> To: B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com>; Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com>; Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com>
>>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who to cheer for?
>>>  
>>> I do agree with both Barry's and Alan's comments, but from a viewer's angle rather than crew.
>>> Who needs the pundits? They've all got an opinion - some pundits were expert players in their own right and qualified to pass comment, but most couldn't justify their presence.
>>> Not keen on sport, myslef, but enjoyed the best tennis players' skill and the Six Nations Rugby, but soccer and cricket are not on my menu.
>>> I enjoyed working PSC for HBO at Wimbledon, the US channels liked to make interesting little profile films for their audiences back home - one year we sampled the strawberries and champagne,
>>> and investigated a racquet re-stringing service set up in a nearby house. Also the lady's changing room! (Empty at the time). Up on the Simon crane was buttock clenching - one could not
>>> see what was holding you up and was somewhat worrying.
>>> Interviewing the major players was good - one of the nicest was Pete Sampras, in no hurry to escape after his interview and stayed chatting while we reset for the next participant.
>>> 
>>> Alan's plea for a dedicated BBC sports channel is long overdue, but that particular prize is held by Sky - maybe a question of who's got the looser purse strings!
>>> 
>>> In the past, it was pleasant to relax in the Video Village, built mostly by NBC, I believe, until the Wimbledon head honchos decided to hide all the MCR's in a grim garage under the 'Media' Centre.
>>> 
>>> I'm feeling my age as I now find little on TV to attract my attention and do not have clue as to the provenance of the 'celebrity' participants on various game shows.
>>> Never was 'Pointless Celebrities' more aptly titled!
>>> 
>>> Keep well, y'all
>>> 
>>> Pat H
>>> 
>>> On 30/06/2023 19:19, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote:
>>> And don?t get me started on bloody golf. Sunny on the greens but flipping cold and no toilets on the towers. And then golf loonies start climbing the scaffolding of the towers (designed to take the weight of a cameraman plus camera gear) . All me shots started getting wobbly and I felt very much in danger . Perhaps I should have taken a pee over the edge to encourage the climbers to get down to ground level.
>>> Oh yes , and just as we were getting ready to de rig and start the two hundred mile flyer home the golfers decide to draw scores and start all over again!
>>> Snooker?..loved hurricane Higgins as he played shots very quickly so matches ended on time?.but there was always a couple who took ages for each shot ,with the same result of not getting home on time.
>>> Oh yes?.I remember ? The Good Old Days? in the stinky theatre in Leeds. Nightmare scenario was if Ken Dodd was performing , he always overran by what seemed like hours. 
>>> Still much better for me than ? Goin? down t?pit ? where I grew up I suppose.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 18:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Who to cheer for? Er?nobody. I?m 100% with Barry and Alan on this! I did 21 years of Wimbledon - because the money was good - and 10 years of Masterchef (not so good), and loathe both of them now. Boring same-old, same-old. And don?t even get me started on the Repair Shop!
>>> Cheers, (yes, happily living up to the well-earned name: ?Mr Grumpy?!)
>>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 16:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I have always wanted the BBC to have a dedicated sports channel.  Then they would be able to televise whatever sporting events they fancy and I could avoid all of it. Although I have little doubt that if there were a BBC Sport channel, they would still try to spread all those tedious sporting events over every other channel too.
>>>  
>>> My particular gripe is how events like snooker or tennis can massively overrun their scheduled transmission time while a programme which I wanted to see is cancelled. That cancelled show isn?t even available on iPlayer. Nor is there a caption explaining whether the scheduled programme has been cancelled, or will follow.
>>>  
>>> Sports production teams don?t merely overrun while the event overruns.  After it has finished, the pundits have to talk about it and they invariably finish by showing a compilation highlights VT of the event.  If an event runs over, they should only be allowed to overrun for the remaining duration of that event and then abruptly stop.  Most sports fans don?t care what the pundits think and other viewers just want them to shut up, go away and let the scheduled programme start. Other production teams have worked jolly hard to create their programmes which should be being transmitted at that time.
>>>  
>>> Alan
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 15:56, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Can I cheer for when it is all over. I cannot stand all the groans and grunts from the players. Barry hates tennis! 
>>> <image.png>
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2023, at 14:48, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Wimbledon Tennis once again,
>>> but no Federer, no Nadal and no Sue Barker for the interviews.
>>> 
>>> I suppose we still have Murray....
>>> 
>>> Some years ago, Nigel, cameraman, and I turned up at Eastbourne for HBO or perhaps NBC, and were refused entry,
>>> as the Americans hadn't bothered to arrange press coverage.
>>> 
>>> Nigel strolled across the road and knocked on the door of one of the houses opposite,
>>> "Can we borrow your front garden?"
>>> The couple were delighted (a bundle of petty cash dispensed and they produced two garden chairs and
>>> many mugs of tea, plus they had the chance to meet some of the top lady players who were brought
>>> over in turn for the interview! (and Sue Barker!)
>>> A superb bit of PR on Nigel's part.
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> (who used to project an HD picture on the wall of girlfriend's sitting room for the Men's final,
>>> munching a picnic on a rug on the floor)
>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jul  3 12:01:39 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:01:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Who to cheer for?
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On 3 Jul 2023, at 17:27, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?Even if there is a rain delay, surely one channel could show some highlights of matches so far etc.
> Sheer laziness to have identical coverage for what in the end was nearly 30 mins.
> 
> Wouldn?t have happened on my watch!!!
> 

When there is no play at Wimbledon, it would be an ideal opportunity to transmit some of those other programmes which were cancelled due to other sporting events overrunning.

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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jul  3 16:43:43 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 22:43:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)

Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other. 

Mike G

From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Jul  3 17:07:11 2023
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 23:07:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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I think the issue is that you are watching London which is now the sustaining feed to the regions. Therefore they must allow a sufficient pause for the regions to opt before cutting to the London presenter. The talkback is usually ?Opt out, opt out, cut.?

Peter Neill 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:44, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)
> 
> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other. 
> 
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Jul  3 17:10:46 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 23:10:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.

Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .

Hugh Snape

> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)
> 
> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other. 
> 
> Mike G
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jul  3 17:37:56 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 23:37:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Whilst that explains the egg on Hugh?s face, it doesn?t explain why the regional presenter sits there looking a right nana waiting to be cued. But I still can?t believe that Aunty can?t resolve what is, after all, only a timing issue - after all they get plenty of practice - if nothing else, the ten presenter could have a little business to fill in the embarrassment - it?s one occasion where touching the screen might be preferable, even if it does nothing, but surely the whole nation could follow the presenter?s action and opt as the moving finger hits the screen. 

Or, come to think of it, what?s wrong with going on a word cue - it has been known in the past - let me think - how about ?Good night? OPT? 

Or would that degrade the Network Director, or whatever the commanding voice is called?

Mike G

> On 3 Jul 2023, at 23:14, Geoffrey Hawkes <geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I think the pause is because they have to get the London News presenter into the set out of vision after Hugh does the walk to the big screen. I agree that it does look stilted, with the mute shot of the Newsnight presenter, ?Just going on air? as is the way the London presenter does their own name verbal check, when a good old lower third ?super? would be better,
> Geoff
> 
>> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:44, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)
>> 
>> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other. 
>> 
>> Mike G
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From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 02:53:38 2023
From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 08:53:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Hi all

Here on the Isle of Wight the "Opt Out" to South Today is usually very
slick without any pause between national "goodbye" and local "hello".

The South Today presenter seems to take their own cue. Says good evening
and then the South Today signature tune/opening sequence runs.

Cheers

Brian

On Tue, 4 Jul 2023, 01:28 Hugh Snape via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the
> throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
>
> Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes
> across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
>
> Hugh Snape
>
> > On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national
> and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker
> after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from
> desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue -
> it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)
> >
> > Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up
> to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing
> the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the
> weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
> >
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 02:57:53 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 08:57:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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South Today ..... And always at the Top Left of the "regions and nations"
composite display...

Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Tue, 4 Jul 2023, 08:54 Brian Curtis via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Here on the Isle of Wight the "Opt Out" to South Today is usually very
> slick without any pause between national "goodbye" and local "hello".
>
> The South Today presenter seems to take their own cue. Says good evening
> and then the South Today signature tune/opening sequence runs.
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> On Tue, 4 Jul 2023, 01:28 Hugh Snape via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the
>> throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
>>
>> Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes
>> across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
>>
>> Hugh Snape
>>
>> > On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national
>> and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker
>> after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from
>> desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue -
>> it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)
>> >
>> > Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step
>> up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with
>> jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even
>> the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
>> >
>> > Mike G
>> > --
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>> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul  4 03:00:06 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 09:00:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Who to cheer for?
In-Reply-To: <FEB2FF8C-8C04-4CC2-A2A8-E614BB5C0142@me.com>
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Good idea in theory, Alan,

but who knows how long the rain pause is going to be in order to slot in 
a programme of the correct duration.

To expand on my earlier reference to 'Berlin Express' - one Saturday in 
the 60's, Grandstand in LG 'G'
had nothing from any of the remote OB's - all snowed off, not a thing 
happening, so Pres ran this
ancient 1948 movie. We all grabbed a green canvas chair and solemnly sat 
in front of the studio floor monitor
until it was time to go home!

I'm sorry that the quality of presentation has completely deteriorated - 
and don't get me started on shrinking
credits and announcers crashing in over end titles!

Best, or not

Pat H





On 03/07/2023 18:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> When there is no play at Wimbledon, it would be an ideal opportunity 
> to transmit some of those other programmes which were cancelled due to 
> other sporting events overrunning.
>
> Alan
>


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul  4 04:00:41 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 10:00:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
In-Reply-To: <A24484CF-F09F-4C2E-9D5F-9B67716955E2@talktalk.net>
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When staying with Somerset friends, I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My friend knows 
the weather man - David Braine, from Naval connections,
and Victoria Graham /is/ rather attractive!

Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling 
other regions from one's local one.

Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This is the BBC" has an interesting 
sequence about planning regional opt-outs.

Shame that what is depicted throughout the film has sadly been 
abandoned. The baby is squalling in a puddle of bathwater.

And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a bit of a flipping circus, now.
Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!

(worked on 'European Vacation' and in Frascati, Italy, bought a lovely 
Capo Di Monte clown figure to remind me
what an absolute circus that movie was. Brilliant locations, though and 
enjoyable to work on, save for the
lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy! Wait for 
my book for all the stories!).

Just about weather - a repeat of The Fast Show recently included the 
hysterical spoof of a Spanish report, with all
of the weather map symbols reading 'scorchio'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc

Pat H

On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
> Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
>
> Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
>
> Hugh Snape
>
>> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)
>>
>> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
>>
>> Mike G
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Jul  4 04:30:44 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 10:30:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Pat - your mention of Capo Di Monte reminds me that in the 60s/70s (trying not to upset Nick with apostrophes) there was a shop on Shepherds Bush Green which sold ceramic lookalike figures which SA1 Phil Williams always referred to as ?Crappo Di Monte?. 

On the prog junction topic, like Hugh/Brian/Alec find on their patches, I find BBC West here in Somerset pretty smooth. What I notice more is when BBC1 and the News Channel part company.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 10:00 AM
To: Hugh Snape ; Mike Giles 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction

When staying with Somerset friends, I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My friend knows the weather man - David Braine, from Naval connections,
and Victoria Graham is rather attractive!

Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling other regions from one's local one.

Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This is the BBC" has an interesting sequence about planning regional opt-outs.

Shame that what is depicted throughout the film has sadly been abandoned. The baby is squalling in a puddle of bathwater.


And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a bit of a flipping circus, now.
Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!

(worked on 'European Vacation' and in Frascati, Italy, bought a lovely Capo Di Monte clown figure to remind me
what an absolute circus that movie was. Brilliant locations, though and enjoyable to work on, save for the
lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy! Wait for my book for all the stories!).

Just about weather - a repeat of The Fast Show recently included the hysterical spoof of a Spanish report, with all
of the weather map symbols reading 'scorchio'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc


Pat H


On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:

Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.

Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .

Hugh Snape

On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:

Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)

Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other. 

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From davidpcarter at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  4 04:43:43 2023
From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 10:43:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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"Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling 
other regions from one's local one."

It's perfectly possible on Freesat.  I do it frequently .... doing what 
Nationwide used to do!  It's good to see the life perspective away from 
'the smoke'!  Also there are some very good opt out programmes which 
rarely see the light of day nationally.

David C

------ Original Message ------
From: "Pat Heigham via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "Hugh Snape" <hughsnape at talktalk.net>; "Mike Giles" 
<mibridge at mac.com>
Cc: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 Jul, 2023 At 10:00
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction

When staying with Somerset friends,         I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My 
friend knows the weather man - David         Braine, from Naval 
connections,
          and Victoria Graham is rather attractive!
Shame that the plethora of digital         channels does not permit 
sampling other regions from one's local         one.
Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This         is the BBC" has an interesting 
sequence about planning regional         opt-outs.
Shame that what is depicted         throughout the film has sadly been 
abandoned. The baby is         squalling in a puddle of bathwater.

And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a         bit of a flipping circus, now.
          Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!
(worked on 'European Vacation' and         in Frascati, Italy, bought a 
lovely Capo Di Monte clown figure         to remind me
          what an absolute circus that movie was. Brilliant locations, 
though and enjoyable to work on, save for the
          lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy! 
Wait for my book for all the stories!).
Just about weather - a repeat of         The Fast Show recently included 
the hysterical spoof of a         Spanish report, with all
          of the weather map symbols reading 'scorchio'.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc>

Pat H

On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via       Tech1 wrote:

             Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the 
pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.Yes 
indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes 
across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .Hugh Snape 
On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:Why is there nearly always a double 
pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had 
Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at 
the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the 
London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of 
man! (No gender implied)Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the 
trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only 
one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want 
of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts 
changed by A. N. Other. Mike G-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jul  4 04:53:14 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 10:53:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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> On 4 Jul 2023, at 10:01, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:!
> Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling other regions from one's local one.
> 

Freesat allows you to do exactly that.  Each BBC regional service is available on individual channels anywhere in Britain for those with a satellite dish and a receiver.  You can also tune into any ITV region too. Some of our commercial channels ( such as E4 and the Food Network ) are Irish versions where the prices in the adverts are in Euros and web sites all end in .ie

In our house the previous owners installed a Sky dish, our TV also has a satellite tuner, so we get several hundred digital TV channels, mostly rubbish of course, without needing to pay a subscription.

Talking of which. Can anybody explain what?s going on with our TV regarding BBC1? When we tune into the channel on Freesat ( BBC Oxford / ITV Central region ), it shows the channel perfectly normally for fifteen seconds or so and then the screen goes black with a message saying that the selected programme has been moved or removed. I?m at a loss to understand how it can show it for fifteen seconds if it?s not there?

Digital TV tuning is weird.  Every time I do a retune, I get a different selection of stations in a slightly different order. Some prominent channels ( BBC four, ITV etc ) completely disappear on occasions. The trick seems to be to do a full retune once in a while and then a series of top-up tunings to add stations which were missed previously.  The same thing happens on Freeview and Freesat and on both systems, the set reports a very healthy signal level. 

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jul  4 05:14:46 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 11:14:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Hi Mike,

Unfortunately now London is (often) not an opt out but a cut to another camera and continuation of the same show. They need to wait enough time for the least proficient of regions and nations to leave , in addition (When sharing a studio , which appears to be most but not all times) the London presenter needs to wait for Hew to move to the big screen before he/she can get in to the correct place and for lighting to light that position. Occasionally on the wall you can see the London presenter arriving or the lights coming up. The crew need to pick up the new script (not mixing it with the main news script) I would assume programme editor, producer and (maybe) director all have to swap seats. I assume the Tech crew do both.

Its very similar to the way Breakfast Time used to do the South East news in the 1980s. That had a pregnant pause as well! 

Nothing new in TV.......  

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2023 22:44
To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction

Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)

Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other. 

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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 05:24:20 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 11:24:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
In-Reply-To: <f541ae9f-2424-d249-cd76-4456683bc5ec@amps.net>
References: <4A1BD347-DD19-444C-9CE0-BF8670E3B6FC@mac.com>
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FreeSat, Pat. I use that to view some local programmes from the region 
where I was born. No space on FreeView.

On 04/07/2023 10:00, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> When staying with Somerset friends, I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My friend knows 
> the weather man - David Braine, from Naval connections,
> and Victoria Graham /is/ rather attractive!
> 
> Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling 
> other regions from one's local one.
> 
> Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This is the BBC" has an interesting 
> sequence about planning regional opt-outs.
> 
> Shame that what is depicted throughout the film has sadly been 
> abandoned. The baby is squalling in a puddle of bathwater.
> 
> And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a bit of a flipping circus, now.
> Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!
> 
> (worked on 'European Vacation' and in Frascati, Italy, bought a lovely 
> Capo Di Monte clown figure to remind me
> what an absolute circus that movie was. Brilliant locations, though and 
> enjoyable to work on, save for the
> lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy! Wait for 
> my book for all the stories!).
> 
> Just about weather - a repeat of The Fast Show recently included the 
> hysterical spoof of a Spanish report, with all
> of the weather map symbols reading 'scorchio'.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
>> Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
>>
>> Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
>>
>> Hugh Snape
>>
>>> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)
>>>
>>> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
>>>
>>> Mike G
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jul  4 06:51:09 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 12:51:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Or BBC I-Player.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 04 July 2023 11:24
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction

FreeSat, Pat. I use that to view some local programmes from the region where I was born. No space on FreeView.

On 04/07/2023 10:00, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> When staying with Somerset friends, I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My friend 
> knows the weather man - David Braine, from Naval connections, and 
> Victoria Graham /is/ rather attractive!
> 
> Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling 
> other regions from one's local one.
> 
> Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This is the BBC" has an interesting 
> sequence about planning regional opt-outs.
> 
> Shame that what is depicted throughout the film has sadly been 
> abandoned. The baby is squalling in a puddle of bathwater.
> 
> And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a bit of a flipping circus, now.
> Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!
> 
> (worked on 'European Vacation' and in Frascati, Italy, bought a lovely 
> Capo Di Monte clown figure to remind me what an absolute circus that 
> movie was. Brilliant locations, though and enjoyable to work on, save 
> for the lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy! 
> Wait for my book for all the stories!).
> 
> Just about weather - a repeat of The Fast Show recently included the 
> hysterical spoof of a Spanish report, with all of the weather map 
> symbols reading 'scorchio'.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
>> Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
>>
>> Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
>>
>> Hugh Snape
>>
>>> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the 
>>> national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a 
>>> right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his 
>>> tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London 
>>> News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of 
>>> man! (No gender implied)
>>>
>>> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
>>>
>>> Mike G
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Tue Jul  4 08:41:34 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 14:41:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Interesting. 

When we used to do the subregional opt at Westcountry (Exeter, Truro, Barnstaple, Torquay and Plymouth) the Plymouth part came from a second (bulletin) studio in the same building as the main studio. This meant the Plymouth opt presenter could rehearse independently during the main programme. When the time came for the opt. the bulletin studio was simply another source on the vision and sound mixers. 

A sting was run at the beginning of the opts but of course it was only in Plymouth that this could be faded under the opt. presenter, for the subregional studios it was necessarily chopped when the opt took place. 

At one time the news editor offered a case of champagne to anyone who could devise a way of smoothing out the ?join,? but it was never achieved . . .

Hugh Snape


> On 4 Jul 2023, at 11:14, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Unfortunately now London is (often) not an opt out but a cut to another camera and continuation of the same show. They need to wait enough time for the least proficient of regions and nations to leave , in addition (When sharing a studio , which appears to be most but not all times) the London presenter needs to wait for Hew to move to the big screen before he/she can get in to the correct place and for lighting to light that position. Occasionally on the wall you can see the London presenter arriving or the lights coming up. The crew need to pick up the new script (not mixing it with the main news script) I would assume programme editor, producer and (maybe) director all have to swap seats. I assume the Tech crew do both.
> 
> Its very similar to the way Breakfast Time used to do the South East news in the 1980s. That had a pregnant pause as well! 
> 
> Nothing new in TV.......  
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
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> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Mike Giles via Tech1
> Sent: 03 July 2023 22:44
> To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction
> 
> Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of man! (No gender implied)
> 
> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other. 
> 
> Mike G
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From royadcock98 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 10:51:30 2023
From: royadcock98 at gmail.com (Roy Adcock)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 16:51:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Paul,
It reminds me of the distant past doing Nationwide and the opt outs in that programme. 
Roy Adcock


Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Jul 2023, at 14:48, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Or BBC I-Player.
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> +44 7802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: 04 July 2023 11:24
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction
> 
> FreeSat, Pat. I use that to view some local programmes from the region where I was born. No space on FreeView.
> 
>> On 04/07/2023 10:00, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> When staying with Somerset friends, I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My friend 
>> knows the weather man - David Braine, from Naval connections, and 
>> Victoria Graham /is/ rather attractive!
>> 
>> Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling 
>> other regions from one's local one.
>> 
>> Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This is the BBC" has an interesting 
>> sequence about planning regional opt-outs.
>> 
>> Shame that what is depicted throughout the film has sadly been 
>> abandoned. The baby is squalling in a puddle of bathwater.
>> 
>> And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a bit of a flipping circus, now.
>> Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!
>> 
>> (worked on 'European Vacation' and in Frascati, Italy, bought a lovely 
>> Capo Di Monte clown figure to remind me what an absolute circus that 
>> movie was. Brilliant locations, though and enjoyable to work on, save 
>> for the lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy! 
>> Wait for my book for all the stories!).
>> 
>> Just about weather - a repeat of The Fast Show recently included the 
>> hysterical spoof of a Spanish report, with all of the weather map 
>> symbols reading 'scorchio'.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc
>> 
>> Pat H
>> 
>>> On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
>>> 
>>> Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
>>> 
>>> Hugh Snape
>>> 
>>>> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the 
>>>> national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a 
>>>> right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his 
>>>> tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London 
>>>> News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of 
>>>> man! (No gender implied)
>>>> 
>>>> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike G
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>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
> 
> -- 
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 10:56:58 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 16:56:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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And now over to the news where you are, in black and white...

On Tue, 4 Jul 2023 at 16:52, Roy Adcock via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> It reminds me of the distant past doing Nationwide and the opt outs in that programme.
> Roy Adcock
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>


From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 07:09:54 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 13:09:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Screen saver
Message-ID: <b99f171b-b136-d015-8f55-b5f8728a2607@gmail.com>

My kitchen sound system has broken (ancient NAD 3020i) so I've been 
using FreeView on that TV for radio. R4 has an plain text ident on the 
screen which can be blanked using the green button. LBC has a full 
screen coloured logo which can't. Seems rather stupid to risk screen 
burn -  or just wasting power?
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jul  5 09:04:41 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 14:04:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Screen saver
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Assuming it?s a LED screen, the real question is how much difference does it make if it?s displaying a visible image or just black? Prob not much.
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 5 Jul 2023, at 13:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?My kitchen sound system has broken (ancient NAD 3020i) so I've been using FreeView on that TV for radio. R4 has an plain text ident on the screen which can be blanked using the green button. LBC has a full screen coloured logo which can't. Seems rather stupid to risk screen burn -  or just wasting power?
> -- 
> Dave Plowman
> London, SW
> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 09:38:35 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 15:38:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Screen saver
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I've got an oLED, and that very quickly goes to blank mode on a still 
frame, so not a problem. But this set is a Samsung Q LED, so LCD with 
LED backlights. And it switches off the LED backlights on the black part 
of the screen. But doesn't screen blank on a still frame. Thing is hard 
driven LEDs don't last forever. So why run them at all if not needed? 
And why do you need a full screen logo telling you what radio channel 
you're listening to?

On 05/07/2023 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Assuming it?s a LED screen, the real question is how much difference does it make if it?s displaying a visible image or just black? Prob not much.
> Cheers,
> N.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 5 Jul 2023, at 13:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?My kitchen sound system has broken (ancient NAD 3020i) so I've been using FreeView on that TV for radio. R4 has an plain text ident on the screen which can be blanked using the green button. LBC has a full screen coloured logo which can't. Seems rather stupid to risk screen burn -  or just wasting power?
>> -- 
>> Dave Plowman
>> London, SW
>>
>> -- 
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London, SW


From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jul  5 09:57:44 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 15:57:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Screen saver
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References: <ef34452b-aed7-f12f-7eb7-0b6edc748cfb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A937912E-AC39-4544-B64D-9D1A334D2B3D@me.com>

Ever-present logos are a feature of commercial radio stations.  They feel the need to remind you at all times which station you are tuned in to - even to the point when it becomes an irritation.

If reduced power consumption is a significant consideration, replacing the broken audio system would be your best way forward. A TV receiver is using a lot more power than is necessary.

Old HiFi tuners and receivers can often be picked up for peanuts, or even free. A couple of years ago I was struggling to find anybody who would take a perfectly good DAB & FM tuner for free. 

An alternative option would be some sort of smart speaker or internet radio which can play your preferred radio stations. But if you?re going down that route, be aware that some devices picking up internet radio don?t pick up BBC stations and some internet radio receivers require you to subscribe to a service in order to pick up any stations.

Alan



> On 5 Jul 2023, at 15:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I've got an oLED, and that very quickly goes to blank mode on a still frame, so not a problem. But this set is a Samsung Q LED, so LCD with LED backlights. And it switches off the LED backlights on the black part of the screen. But doesn't screen blank on a still frame. Thing is hard driven LEDs don't last forever. So why run them at all if not needed? And why do you need a full screen logo telling you what radio channel you're listening to?
> 
>> On 05/07/2023 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Assuming it?s a LED screen, the real question is how much difference does it make if it?s displaying a visible image or just black? Prob not much.
>> Cheers,
>> N.
>> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
>>>> On 5 Jul 2023, at 13:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?My kitchen sound system has broken (ancient NAD 3020i) so I've been using FreeView on that TV for radio. R4 has an plain text ident on the screen which can be blanked using the green button. LBC has a full screen coloured logo which can't. Seems rather stupid to risk screen burn -  or just wasting power?
>>> -- 
>>> Dave Plowman
>>> London, SW
>>> 
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> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jul  5 12:25:54 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 18:25:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TV Transmitter Breakdown Tape - unplayed for 60 years.
Message-ID: <DA1536046BD24D6C8747F5352772CC5E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Doubtless some of you will have come across this. Presented so as to be comprehensible to the layman and with a laborious intro it is nevertheless an interesting find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ENRbOWDXmI

Dave Newbitt.
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Jul  5 12:34:08 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2023 18:34:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Hi Roy, l hope you are well?

In addition to the nationwide opt outs every region opted out for every peak time program junction. A different globe (BBC North, BBC North West etc) and an announcer reading the same script, but with your local accent. Made easier as every junktion was a fade to black and back up to the next thing. 

Probably stopped mid to late eighties?




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?

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	? Original Message ?	


From: royadcock98 at gmail.com
Sent: 4 July 2023 16:51
To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction


Paul,
It reminds me of the distant past doing Nationwide and the opt outs in that programme.
Roy Adcock


Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Jul 2023, at 14:48, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?Or BBC I-Player.
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> +44 7802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: 04 July 2023 11:24
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction
>
> FreeSat, Pat. I use that to view some local programmes from the region where I was born. No space on FreeView.
>
>> On 04/07/2023 10:00, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> When staying with Somerset friends, I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My friend
>> knows the weather man - David Braine, from Naval connections, and
>> Victoria Graham /is/ rather attractive!
>>
>> Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling
>> other regions from one's local one.
>>
>> Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This is the BBC" has an interesting
>> sequence about planning regional opt-outs.
>>
>> Shame that what is depicted throughout the film has sadly been
>> abandoned. The baby is squalling in a puddle of bathwater.
>>
>> And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a bit of a flipping circus, now.
>> Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!
>>
>> (worked on 'European Vacation' and in Frascati, Italy, bought a lovely
>> Capo Di Monte clown figure to remind me what an absolute circus that
>> movie was. Brilliant locations, though and enjoyable to work on, save
>> for the lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy!
>> Wait for my book for all the stories!).
>>
>> Just about weather - a repeat of The Fast Show recently included the
>> hysterical spoof of a Spanish report, with all of the weather map
>> symbols reading 'scorchio'.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc
>>
>> Pat H
>>
>>> On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
>>>
>>> Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
>>>
>>> Hugh Snape
>>>
>>>> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>? wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the
>>>> national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a
>>>> right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his
>>>> tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London
>>>> News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of
>>>> man! (No gender implied)
>>>>
>>>> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
>>>>
>>>> Mike G
>>>> --
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
>
> --
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 02:11:33 2023
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 08:11:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Terry Wild
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4BZwbZQhUngQ-urzXkTudqEKtxbtNF+tXW+dM4gVNfauQ@mail.gmail.com>

There has been a query in a Facebook group about whether Terry Wild is
still around. Anyone know?
Bill Jenkin
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Thu Jul  6 03:38:06 2023
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 09:38:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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Not quite my friends...

In the '70s, I had the unenviable task of 'training' regional presenters 
with the concept of automatic substitution of regionally identified 
globes (physical, not digital) at every BBC-1 junction throughout the 
evening, to be voiced-over by the local out-of-vision presenter. The 
main hazard was that the automatic switching couldn't handle a fade-up 
or down, only a cut, for which the technology tended to dither, showing 
flashes of the national symbol all too often. This 'encouraged' manual 
switching in the regions to beat the auto-switch.? That worked if done 
well just a micro-second ahead of the PA in NC1 at TV Centre, but 
misjudged - particularly by some stand-in local presenters - it was a 
shambles.

Coupled to that, the regional voice was expected to sound as if speaking 
for 'BBC-1' at times, as well as for 'BBC-1 in the North-East' or '...in 
Scotland etc. at others. There were 11 such regional Pres. operations 
and while a few voices could handle the switch from a sense of national 
authority to that of your local friend (think Tom Kilgour in Newcastle), 
others couldn't - or were perhaps leant on by their RTM (Regional 
Television Manager) to adopt his (always 'his') preferred style. Only in 
Manchester were the Chalmers sisters able to climb the greasy pole to 
remind management that women were up to being seen and heard.

It was a hapless period in the life of Presentation Dept.? I'd thought 
it brought about by the Annan Report - but that was published in 1977 - 
surely later than the above.

Any other recollections of that era?

Hugh

On 05/07/2023 18:34, paul--- via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Roy, l hope you are well?
>
> In addition to the nationwide opt outs every region opted out for every peak time program junction. A different globe (BBC North, BBC North West etc) and an announcer reading the same script, but with your local accent. Made easier as every junktion was a fade to black and back up to the next thing.
>
> Probably stopped mid to late eighties?
>
>
>
>
> Paul Thackray
>
>   
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
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> +44 7802 243979
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> Mail;paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
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> 	? Original Message  	
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> From:royadcock98 at gmail.com
> Sent: 4 July 2023 16:51
> To:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction
>
>
> Paul,
> It reminds me of the distant past doing Nationwide and the opt outs in that programme.
> Roy Adcock
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 4 Jul 2023, at 14:48, paul--- via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?Or BBC I-Player.
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> +44 7802 243979
>> Mail;paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
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>> IMDB;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tech1<tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>  On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1
>> Sent: 04 July 2023 11:24
>> To:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction
>>
>> FreeSat, Pat. I use that to view some local programmes from the region where I was born. No space on FreeView.
>>
>>> On 04/07/2023 10:00, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> When staying with Somerset friends, I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My friend
>>> knows the weather man - David Braine, from Naval connections, and
>>> Victoria Graham /is/ rather attractive!
>>>
>>> Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling
>>> other regions from one's local one.
>>>
>>> Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This is the BBC" has an interesting
>>> sequence about planning regional opt-outs.
>>>
>>> Shame that what is depicted throughout the film has sadly been
>>> abandoned. The baby is squalling in a puddle of bathwater.
>>>
>>> And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a bit of a flipping circus, now.
>>> Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!
>>>
>>> (worked on 'European Vacation' and in Frascati, Italy, bought a lovely
>>> Capo Di Monte clown figure to remind me what an absolute circus that
>>> movie was. Brilliant locations, though and enjoyable to work on, save
>>> for the lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy!
>>> Wait for my book for all the stories!).
>>>
>>> Just about weather - a repeat of The Fast Show recently included the
>>> hysterical spoof of a Spanish report, with all of the weather map
>>> symbols reading 'scorchio'.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc
>>>
>>> Pat H
>>>
>>>> On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
>>>>
>>>> Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
>>>>
>>>> Hugh Snape
>>>>
>>>>> On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> ? wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the
>>>>> national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a
>>>>> right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his
>>>>> tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London
>>>>> News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of
>>>>> man! (No gender implied)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike G
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From relong at btinternet.com  Thu Jul  6 04:55:14 2023
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 10:55:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul  6 06:02:32 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 12:02:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
Message-ID: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>

In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am 
reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
(are they still compiled?)

A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement 
lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that 
'little' bit more VT edit time.

Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a 
revised version of 'Albert & The Lion',
written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to 
the usual job!

This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the 
tutors to pass judgement.
As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and 
instead mounted a pantomime
in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the 
facility of PSC equipment, so
it all faded into dim memory.

Happy Days

Pat H
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jul  6 06:19:29 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 12:19:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
In-Reply-To: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
References: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
Message-ID: <4DF3E180C6BD40B2AC7C57F85E67B54F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

My Adobe Acrobat Reader tells me the file is damaged and can not be repaired. Anyone having better luck?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 12:02 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning

In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
(are they still compiled?)

A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that 'little' bit more VT edit time.

Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a revised version of 'Albert & The Lion',
written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to the usual job!

This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the tutors to pass judgement.
As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and instead mounted a pantomime
in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the facility of PSC equipment, so
it all faded into dim memory.

Happy Days

Pat H




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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Jul  6 07:58:21 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 13:58:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
In-Reply-To: <4DF3E180C6BD40B2AC7C57F85E67B54F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
	<4DF3E180C6BD40B2AC7C57F85E67B54F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <21d5641e-1a92-9c4c-8e52-22fe181c5624@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Firefox just opened it.

Chris Woolf


On 06/07/2023 12:19, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> My Adobe Acrobat Reader tells me the file is damaged and can not be 
> repaired. Anyone having better luck?
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Pat Heigham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 12:02 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Sports overrunning
>
> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I 
> am reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
> (are they still compiled?)
>
> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement 
> lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted 
> that 'little' bit more VT edit time.
>
> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a 
> revised version of 'Albert & The Lion',
> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited 
> to the usual job!
>
> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the 
> tutors to pass judgement.
> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and 
> instead mounted a pantomime
> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the 
> facility of PSC equipment, so
> it all faded into dim memory.
>
> Happy Days
>
> Pat H
>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Jul  6 10:49:57 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 16:49:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Ten_o=E2=80=99clock_news_junction?=
In-Reply-To: <b7a6fac6-0a9c-0aad-5d4e-bba2d5966e18@btinternet.com>
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The ?local? voice in Yorkshire was Brian Baines. I wet to school with his niece. 

 

Once I worked for the BBC in London Control Room, one of the jobs was to set un a network of lines twice a day. In the morning it provides a ?Nation Wide? conference to discuss how that would work. In the afternoon a similar set up allowed the Pres Editors to discuss the evening programmes and trails.

(all years before ?Teleconferencing? or Zoom) At had to be built using long term leased lines.

 

Instead of ?Noddy? the regions had something like a dustbin, with clock one side and globe the other. A mirror in the middle could be flipped to cause the camera to see one or the other.

 

Several years ago Regional announcements before the ?Six? and ?Ten? were added (name checking Main and Regional news readers. I assume these are pre recoded and played in automatically.  

 

I understand the North of England now (Within the last year?) has a live con announcer from Salford instead of the London one. I am guessing the BBC added a live con announcer following the Red Bee issues (Where after destruction of the London Red Bee CAR, lots of channels came off air) BBC 1 & 2 were able to continue with all programmes via Salford, but had to use generic pre recorded continuity. I assume someone thought it worth adding a live con announcer to the DR set up. , also giving a ?Northern Voice? (Again).

 

 

 

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From: Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com> 
Sent: 06 July 2023 09:38
To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk; Roy Adcock <royadcock98 at gmail.com>; Tech 1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction

 

Not quite my friends...  

In the '70s, I had the unenviable task of 'training' regional presenters with the concept of automatic substitution of regionally identified globes (physical, not digital) at every BBC-1 junction throughout the evening, to be voiced-over by the local out-of-vision presenter. The main hazard was that the automatic switching couldn't handle a fade-up or down, only a cut, for which the technology tended to dither, showing flashes of the national symbol all too often. This 'encouraged' manual switching in the regions to beat the auto-switch.  That worked if done well just a micro-second ahead of the PA in NC1 at TV Centre, but misjudged - particularly by some stand-in local presenters - it was a shambles. 

Coupled to that, the regional voice was expected to sound as if speaking for 'BBC-1' at times, as well as for 'BBC-1 in the North-East' or '...in Scotland etc. at others. There were 11 such regional Pres. operations and while a few voices could handle the switch from a sense of national authority to that of your local friend (think Tom Kilgour in Newcastle), others couldn't - or were perhaps leant on by their RTM (Regional Television Manager) to adopt his (always 'his') preferred style. Only in Manchester were the Chalmers sisters able to climb the greasy pole to remind management that women were up to being seen and heard.

It was a hapless period in the life of Presentation Dept.  I'd thought it brought about by the Annan Report - but that was published in 1977 - surely later than the above.

Any other recollections of that era?

Hugh 

On 05/07/2023 18:34, paul--- via Tech1 wrote:

Hi Roy, l hope you are well?
 
In addition to the nationwide opt outs every region opted out for every peak time program junction. A different globe (BBC North, BBC North West etc) and an announcer reading the same script, but with your local accent. Made easier as every junktion was a fade to black and back up to the next thing. 
 
Probably stopped mid to late eighties?
 
 
 
 
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PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
 
+44 7802 243979
 
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From: royadcock98 at gmail.com <mailto:royadcock98 at gmail.com> 
Sent: 4 July 2023 16:51
To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction
 
 
Paul,
It reminds me of the distant past doing Nationwide and the opt outs in that programme.
Roy Adcock
 
 
Sent from my iPad
 

On 4 Jul 2023, at 14:48, paul--- via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
 
?Or BBC I-Player.
 
Paul Thackray
 
PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> 
 
Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1  <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 04 July 2023 11:24
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ten o?clock news junction
 
FreeSat, Pat. I use that to view some local programmes from the region where I was born. No space on FreeView.
 

On 04/07/2023 10:00, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
When staying with Somerset friends, I enjoy 'Spotlight'. My friend
knows the weather man - David Braine, from Naval connections, and
Victoria Graham /is/ rather attractive!
 
Shame that the plethora of digital channels does not permit sampling
other regions from one's local one.
 
Richard Cawston's 1959 film "This is the BBC" has an interesting
sequence about planning regional opt-outs.
 
Shame that what is depicted throughout the film has sadly been
abandoned. The baby is squalling in a puddle of bathwater.
 
And 'ringmaster'? Well it's all a bit of a flipping circus, now.
Bring on the Clowns - Oh! they are already here!
 
(worked on 'European Vacation' and in Frascati, Italy, bought a lovely
Capo Di Monte clown figure to remind me what an absolute circus that
movie was. Brilliant locations, though and enjoyable to work on, save
for the lead actor, who thought he was the industry's gift to comedy!
Wait for my book for all the stories!).
 
Just about weather - a repeat of The Fast Show recently included the
hysterical spoof of a Spanish report, with all of the weather map
symbols reading 'scorchio'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIbDoAvtuuc
 
Pat H
 

On 03/07/2023 23:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
Interesting, here in Devon we don?t seem to get the pregnant pause, the throw and pickup in Plymouth are pretty slick.
 
Yes indeed, the walking around the crazy set is awful, Hugh Edwards comes across as a sort of ringmaster at those times . . .
 
Hugh Snape
 

On 3 Jul 2023, at 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
 
Why is there nearly always a double pregnant pause between the
national and regional news? Tonight we had Hugh looking (as ever) a
right plonker after his obsequious farewell at the end of his
tortuous progression from desk to plinth, followed by the London
News presenter waiting for a cue - it can?t be beyond the wit of
man! (No gender implied)
 
Hugh now seems to be the only one risking the trip hazard on the step up to the big screen, as, indeed, he is the only one persisting with jabbing the other screen to change slides(for want of a better word). Even the weather presenter now has his/her charts changed by A. N. Other.
 
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Thu Jul  6 11:19:06 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 17:19:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
In-Reply-To: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
References: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
Message-ID: <cb9edaef-333b-0180-8692-e5540bfbcdb7@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Pat,

Thank you for the PDF attached to your email.  Just as David Newbitt 
wrote, it appears to be corrupt.  I could open three pages in Firefox 
and three and a bit in another viewer, but alas not all of it.  So I 
never got to the end.

Any chance of re-sending it?


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 06/07/2023 12:02, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am 
> reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
> (are they still compiled?)
> 
> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement 
> lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that 
> 'little' bit more VT edit time.
> 
> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a 
> revised version of 'Albert & The Lion',
> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to 
> the usual job!
> 
> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the 
> tutors to pass judgement.
> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and 
> instead mounted a pantomime
> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the 
> facility of PSC equipment, so
> it all faded into dim memory.
> 
> Happy Days
> 
> Pat H
> 
> 


From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Thu Jul  6 11:37:19 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 17:37:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Any News on Bernie ?
In-Reply-To: <4DF3E180C6BD40B2AC7C57F85E67B54F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
	<4DF3E180C6BD40B2AC7C57F85E67B54F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <f5c55abe-e365-0dc4-589f-7c0cfe5db5bd@armoor.co.uk>

Dear All,

Any news on how Bernie is feeling?

Hope he's getting better.


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 06/07/2023 12:19, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> My Adobe Acrobat Reader tells me the file is damaged and can not be 
> repaired. Anyone having better luck?
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Pat Heigham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 12:02 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Sports overrunning
> 
> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am 
> reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
> (are they still compiled?)
> 
> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement 
> lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that 
> 'little' bit more VT edit time.
> 
> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a 
> revised version of 'Albert & The Lion',
> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to 
> the usual job!
> 
> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the 
> tutors to pass judgement.
> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and 
> instead mounted a pantomime
> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the 
> facility of PSC equipment, so
> it all faded into dim memory.
> 
> Happy Days
> 
> Pat H
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul  6 12:17:42 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 18:17:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas pantomime
Message-ID: <d61020f2-6ae7-cc7f-8579-ca4bf4aecdee@amps.net>

A short expansion about the pantomime that STO21 put on, years ago....

I remember this course as it finished close to Christmas, so instead of 
making a studio based programme to amuse the tutors, it was decided to 
put on a pantomime in the club dance hall!

Two very talented guys wrote a script, loosely based on Dick Whittington 
and His Cat. Dick was depicted as a bit of an ingenue, and the cat was 
his sophisticated guide to London.

Eric Wallis was the cat, in evening dress, ears poking out of a top hat, 
and my Mum made him a black velvet tail which he carried nonchalantly 
over his arm.

Ian Leiper played a Sultan, in baggy pantaloons!

All the old traditional gags were reconstituted, with one involving 
cries of ?beware the cockroaches under your chairs?, after distributing 
handfuls of in-shell peanuts around the floor.

Much crunching underfoot, and squeals from the ladies.

Terrific fun, and I believe that some Tech-ops people were far more 
talented in non-technical fields than some of today?s writers and 
directors.

Such a shame that portable video wasn?t around at that time.

Also sad that several of those course members are no longer with us ? 
pushing daisies rather than faders.

One other story:
We all remember Reg the Club steward and barman:

One night in the bar, Reg was trying to get us to participate in a stunt.
He bet us that we could not tip a coin balanced on the forehead into a 
funnel tucked into the waistband of trousers.
Frank Smith, who was a tad older than the rest of us and more savvy 
(National Service?) played dim and pretended not to understand the setup.
Frustrated, and to demonstrate, Reg tucked the funnel into _his_ 
waistband, whereupon, Frank at the speed of greased lightning, tipped 
his pint into the funnel!

The look on Reg?s face as he realised he?d been caught with his own gag, 
was worth the cost of the laundry and another round!

Pat H

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jul  6 12:39:01 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 18:39:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
In-Reply-To: <cb9edaef-333b-0180-8692-e5540bfbcdb7@armoor.co.uk>
References: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
	<cb9edaef-333b-0180-8692-e5540bfbcdb7@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6BFC692048464C11B03DF468A53CFD4F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Hi Ian - hope you're well.

Pat did re-send it to me which was successful but when I replied to thank 
him I didn't notice I hadn't included the members. I would guess from what 
happened with me that a re-send might well do the trick for you.

Best wishes,

Dave N.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ian Norman via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:19 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning

Dear Pat,

Thank you for the PDF attached to your email.  Just as David Newbitt
wrote, it appears to be corrupt.  I could open three pages in Firefox
and three and a bit in another viewer, but alas not all of it.  So I
never got to the end.

Any chance of re-sending it?


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 06/07/2023 12:02, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am 
> reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
> (are they still compiled?)
>
> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement lyrics 
> ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that 
> 'little' bit more VT edit time.
>
> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a revised 
> version of 'Albert & The Lion',
> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to 
> the usual job!
>
> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the 
> tutors to pass judgement.
> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and 
> instead mounted a pantomime
> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the 
> facility of PSC equipment, so
> it all faded into dim memory.
>
> Happy Days
>
> Pat H
>
>

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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jul  6 13:08:30 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 18:08:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
In-Reply-To: <6BFC692048464C11B03DF468A53CFD4F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
	<cb9edaef-333b-0180-8692-e5540bfbcdb7@armoor.co.uk>
	<6BFC692048464C11B03DF468A53CFD4F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB16049615EED4EDC5C8689995A72CA@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Opened OK on my iPad, and also in Adobe Reader and pdf Factory on my PC, so apparently nothing wrong with the file or the download. It?s always worth updating software to latest versions if they cease to function properly.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 6 Jul 2023, at 18:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Ian - hope you're well.
> 
> Pat did re-send it to me which was successful but when I replied to thank him I didn't notice I hadn't included the members. I would guess from what happened with me that a re-send might well do the trick for you.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dave N.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Ian Norman via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:19 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
> 
> Dear Pat,
> 
> Thank you for the PDF attached to your email.  Just as David Newbitt
> wrote, it appears to be corrupt.  I could open three pages in Firefox
> and three and a bit in another viewer, but alas not all of it.  So I
> never got to the end.
> 
> Any chance of re-sending it?
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
> 
>> On 06/07/2023 12:02, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
>> (are they still compiled?)
>> 
>> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
>> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that 'little' bit more VT edit time.
>> 
>> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a revised version of 'Albert & The Lion',
>> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
>> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to the usual job!
>> 
>> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the tutors to pass judgement.
>> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and instead mounted a pantomime
>> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the facility of PSC equipment, so
>> it all faded into dim memory.
>> 
>> Happy Days
>> 
>> Pat H
>> 
>> 
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jul  6 14:20:50 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 20:20:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB16049615EED4EDC5C8689995A72CA@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net><cb9edaef-333b-0180-8692-e5540bfbcdb7@armoor.co.uk><6BFC692048464C11B03DF468A53CFD4F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<AM9P191MB16049615EED4EDC5C8689995A72CA@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <90A708D6FBF74898AA9B202BB1726E94@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

As usual I struggle to analyse what might be happening here. My Adobe Reader 
is kept up to date and had no trouble reading the pdf file when Pat re-sent 
it whereas first time round it failed as described. Now that Ian Norman has 
also reported a problem with it I'm inclined to think my software is 
probably ok.

Is it possible for an attached file to become corrupted at the point of 
arrival in the inbox?

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:08 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning

Opened OK on my iPad, and also in Adobe Reader and pdf Factory on my PC, so 
apparently nothing wrong with the file or the download. It?s always worth 
updating software to latest versions if they cease to function properly.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 6 Jul 2023, at 18:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Ian - hope you're well.
>
> Pat did re-send it to me which was successful but when I replied to thank 
> him I didn't notice I hadn't included the members. I would guess from what 
> happened with me that a re-send might well do the trick for you.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dave N.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ian Norman via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:19 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
>
> Dear Pat,
>
> Thank you for the PDF attached to your email.  Just as David Newbitt
> wrote, it appears to be corrupt.  I could open three pages in Firefox
> and three and a bit in another viewer, but alas not all of it.  So I
> never got to the end.
>
> Any chance of re-sending it?
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ian Norman
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
>
>> On 06/07/2023 12:02, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am 
>> reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
>> (are they still compiled?)
>>
>> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement 
>> lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
>> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that 
>> 'little' bit more VT edit time.
>>
>> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a revised 
>> version of 'Albert & The Lion',
>> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
>> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to 
>> the usual job!
>>
>> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the 
>> tutors to pass judgement.
>> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and 
>> instead mounted a pantomime
>> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the 
>> facility of PSC equipment, so
>> it all faded into dim memory.
>>
>> Happy Days
>>
>> Pat H
>>
>>
>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Jul  6 14:27:09 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 20:27:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
In-Reply-To: <90A708D6FBF74898AA9B202BB1726E94@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <5h263j3lbv2idgagusgpco0i.1688671629542@pgtmedia.co.uk>


It will not open for me either on an Android phone, nor a lap top with W10.

Both are up to date. 



Paul Thackray

?

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

+44 7802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

?

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	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 6 July 2023 20:21
To: waresound at msn.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning


As usual I struggle to analyse what might be happening here. My Adobe Reader
is kept up to date and had no trouble reading the pdf file when Pat re-sent
it whereas first time round it failed as described. Now that Ian Norman has
also reported a problem with it I'm inclined to think my software is
probably ok.

Is it possible for an attached file to become corrupted at the point of
arrival in the inbox?

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:08 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning

Opened OK on my iPad, and also in Adobe Reader and pdf Factory on my PC, so
apparently nothing wrong with the file or the download. It?s always worth
updating software to latest versions if they cease to function properly.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

> On 6 Jul 2023, at 18:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Ian - hope you're well.
>
> Pat did re-send it to me which was successful but when I replied to thank
> him I didn't notice I hadn't included the members. I would guess from what
> happened with me that a re-send might well do the trick for you.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dave N.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ian Norman via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:19 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
>
> Dear Pat,
>
> Thank you for the PDF attached to your email.? Just as David Newbitt
> wrote, it appears to be corrupt.? I could open three pages in Firefox
> and three and a bit in another viewer, but alas not all of it.? So I
> never got to the end.
>
> Any chance of re-sending it?
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ian Norman
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
>
>> On 06/07/2023 12:02, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am
>> reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
>> (are they still compiled?)
>>
>> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement
>> lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
>> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that
>> 'little' bit more VT edit time.
>>
>> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a revised
>> version of 'Albert & The Lion',
>> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
>> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to
>> the usual job!
>>
>> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the
>> tutors to pass judgement.
>> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and
>> instead mounted a pantomime
>> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the
>> facility of PSC equipment, so
>> it all faded into dim memory.
>>
>> Happy Days
>>
>> Pat H
>>
>>
>
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Thu Jul  6 16:03:01 2023
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 22:03:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
In-Reply-To: <90A708D6FBF74898AA9B202BB1726E94@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <b1d60f13-fc2a-12ea-5246-bb90548166f8@amps.net>
	<cb9edaef-333b-0180-8692-e5540bfbcdb7@armoor.co.uk>
	<6BFC692048464C11B03DF468A53CFD4F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<AM9P191MB16049615EED4EDC5C8689995A72CA@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<90A708D6FBF74898AA9B202BB1726E94@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <1024983f-1b7b-a3cd-33cf-df535d9fd10a@armoor.co.uk>


Just compared the original pdf of 'Henry at Evesham.pdf' with the second
copy sent directly to me by Pat (Thank you again).

They are different sizes and different check sums.  I think something in 
the email system corrupted the file.  Oddly, the corrupted one is larger 
(3514000 compared to 3505909).


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 06/07/2023 20:20, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> As usual I struggle to analyse what might be happening here. My Adobe 
> Reader is kept up to date and had no trouble reading the pdf file when 
> Pat re-sent it whereas first time round it failed as described. Now that 
> Ian Norman has also reported a problem with it I'm inclined to think my 
> software is probably ok.
> 
> Is it possible for an attached file to become corrupted at the point of 
> arrival in the inbox?
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:08 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
> 
> Opened OK on my iPad, and also in Adobe Reader and pdf Factory on my PC, 
> so apparently nothing wrong with the file or the download. It?s always 
> worth updating software to latest versions if they cease to function 
> properly.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 6 Jul 2023, at 18:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi Ian - hope you're well.
>>
>> Pat did re-send it to me which was successful but when I replied to 
>> thank him I didn't notice I hadn't included the members. I would guess 
>> from what happened with me that a re-send might well do the trick for 
>> you.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Dave N.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ian Norman via Tech1
>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:19 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
>>
>> Dear Pat,
>>
>> Thank you for the PDF attached to your email.? Just as David Newbitt
>> wrote, it appears to be corrupt.? I could open three pages in Firefox
>> and three and a bit in another viewer, but alas not all of it.? So I
>> never got to the end.
>>
>> Any chance of re-sending it?
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ian Norman
>>
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>>
>>> On 06/07/2023 12:02, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I 
>>> am reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
>>> (are they still compiled?)
>>>
>>> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement 
>>> lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
>>> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted 
>>> that 'little' bit more VT edit time.
>>>
>>> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a 
>>> revised version of 'Albert & The Lion',
>>> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
>>> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited 
>>> to the usual job!
>>>
>>> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the 
>>> tutors to pass judgement.
>>> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and 
>>> instead mounted a pantomime
>>> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the 
>>> facility of PSC equipment, so
>>> it all faded into dim memory.
>>>
>>> Happy Days
>>>
>>> Pat H
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
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>>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Thu Jul  6 16:34:17 2023
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 22:34:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sports overrunning
Message-ID: <nl813bc3bspexq4x399a5dxh.1688679257516@email.android.com>

It opened with no problem on my Amazon Fire tablet

Doug Puddifoot

On 6 July 2023, at 17:19, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Dear Pat,

Thank you for the PDF attached to your email.  Just as David Newbitt 
wrote, it appears to be corrupt.  I could open three pages in Firefox 
and three and a bit in another viewer, but alas not all of it.  So I 
never got to the end.

Any chance of re-sending it?


Kind regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 06/07/2023 12:02, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> In the chat about Sports and what seems to be a universal dislike, I am 
> reminded of an item in one of the Christmas tapes
> (are they still compiled?)
> 
> A specially shot version of a Suzie Quattro number with replacement 
> lyrics ("He's a Sports PA") to which she was happy to oblige,
> on a reheasal take, took the piss out of Sports which always wanted that 
> 'little' bit more VT edit time.
> 
> Attached for your 'delectation & delight' (Audience cheers!) is a 
> revised version of 'Albert & The Lion',
> written by a couple of the TA's on STO21.
> There's a lot of talent lurking in the BBC Tech Ops, and not limited to 
> the usual job!
> 
> This item featured in the 'end of term' programme - required for the 
> tutors to pass judgement.
> As it was in the run up to Christmas, we ignored the usual decree and 
> instead mounted a pantomime
> in the dance hall of the club. Pity in those days there wasn't the 
> facility of PSC equipment, so
> it all faded into dim memory.
> 
> Happy Days
> 
> Pat H
> 
> 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jul  7 08:23:21 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 14:23:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BUPA
Message-ID: <c677fa90-ea85-0699-2ffe-1777a881b305@amps.net>

Has anyone got medical insurance with BUPA,
and suffered delaying tactics or not paying a claim?

Yes I know the small print is super exclusive.....

Pat H
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jul  7 08:49:21 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 14:49:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BUPA
In-Reply-To: <c677fa90-ea85-0699-2ffe-1777a881b305@amps.net>
References: <c677fa90-ea85-0699-2ffe-1777a881b305@amps.net>
Message-ID: <5d3d17e9-18bc-d66e-d7b4-f50981b7d75e@chriswoolf.co.uk>

By and large BUPA uses the same doctors as the NHS - they often split 
their time between the two. With far too few doctors now working 
anywhere in this country, the only way BUPA /et al/ can get them is to 
pay over the odds - but that is hitting their bottom line. Not 
surprising that the organisation gets like any other insurance company 
that has to park ethics and morality when profits get slimmer.

Chris Woolf


On 07/07/2023 14:23, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Has anyone got medical insurance with BUPA,
> and suffered delaying tactics or not paying a claim?
>
> Yes I know the small print is super exclusive.....
>
> Pat H
>
>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Jul  8 07:14:15 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2023 13:14:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bernie on facebook
Message-ID: <pefp8npphttov9hj9gk3v8jl.1688818455592@pgtmedia.co.uk>

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Jul  8 07:18:15 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2023 13:18:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bernie on facebook
In-Reply-To: <pefp8npphttov9hj9gk3v8jl.1688818455592@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6neq1crrhjbgu3ainrbend4r.1688818695776@pgtmedia.co.uk>

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jul  8 08:51:51 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 14:51:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bernie on facebook
In-Reply-To: <6neq1crrhjbgu3ainrbend4r.1688818695776@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <6neq1crrhjbgu3ainrbend4r.1688818695776@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FCA37531-67ED-4982-9FE1-9D6C04363B53@icloud.com>

By the way, how is Bernie these days?

> On 8 Jul 2023, at 13:18, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Warning not earning... Sorry fat finger W&E  next to each other on the keyboard!
> 
> 
> Paul Thackray
>  
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> +44 7802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>  
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> Sent: 8 July 2023 13:14
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Bernie on facebook
> Earning for those on Facebook,
> 
> I have just had a duplicate request on Facebook from Newman Bernard. I have blocked it so hopefully Facebook will remove the duplicate shortly. 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Paul Thackray
>  
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> +44 7802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>  
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> -- 
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

? 
Graeme Wall




From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 11:21:41 2023
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:21:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!
Message-ID: <98C8AB29-1843-4850-B612-FE69DE4493D8@gmail.com>

I?m having serious trouble in getting anything on the tech-ops site. Understandably Bernie won?t be able to help.

If this shows up could someone email me back to confirm that it has been seen

Tony B

From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 11:26:08 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:26:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!
In-Reply-To: <98C8AB29-1843-4850-B612-FE69DE4493D8@gmail.com>
References: <98C8AB29-1843-4850-B612-FE69DE4493D8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7abdd0c4-d22d-a2ce-d4cb-88212be7b22c@gmail.com>

Hi Tony

message received "loud and clear" to me...

On 08/07/2023 17:21, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m having serious trouble in getting anything on the tech-ops site. Understandably Bernie won?t be able to help.
>
> If this shows up could someone email me back to confirm that it has been seen
>
> Tony B

-- 
=====================================

Alec Bray
alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
MOD:  07789 561 346
TEL:  0118 981 7502



From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Jul  8 11:30:28 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2023 17:30:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!
In-Reply-To: <98C8AB29-1843-4850-B612-FE69DE4493D8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9qmeevgctek0a1rebbm8ngl0.1688833828950@pgtmedia.co.uk>


All good to me!



Paul Thackray

?

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

+44 7802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

?

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/



	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 8 July 2023 17:22
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: tony.briselden at gmail.com
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!


I?m having serious trouble in getting anything on the tech-ops site. Understandably Bernie won?t be able to help.

If this shows up could someone email me back to confirm that it has been seen

Tony B
--
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Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jul  8 12:24:35 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 18:24:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!
In-Reply-To: <98C8AB29-1843-4850-B612-FE69DE4493D8@gmail.com>
References: <98C8AB29-1843-4850-B612-FE69DE4493D8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C28AFAFD83C4C92A9C73FC4A0F51FCC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Hi Tony,

Like Alec I hear you! All is not lost - there must be others.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tony Briselden via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 5:21 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!

I?m having serious trouble in getting anything on the tech-ops site. 
Understandably Bernie won?t be able to help.

If this shows up could someone email me back to confirm that it has been 
seen

Tony B
-- 
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Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk 



From doug at puddifoot.me  Sat Jul  8 12:41:29 2023
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2023 18:41:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!
Message-ID: <aa18kco2iyjgt32elayhfg16.1688838089427@email.android.com>

Me as well.

Doug Puddifoot

On 8 July 2023, at 17:21, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I?m having serious trouble in getting anything on the tech-ops site. Understandably Bernie won?t be able to help.

If this shows up could someone email me back to confirm that it has been seen

Tony B
-- 
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Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Jul  8 12:41:56 2023
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (David John Mundy)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 18:41:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Spam
Message-ID: <4bd2275d-9048-073f-d808-24532b129be7@btinternet.com>

Yes, I have seen it! Cheers, Dave PS. I found that I had got 92 messages 
in 'spam' today, all of them from tech.ops!


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jul  8 12:42:41 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 18:42:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!
In-Reply-To: <aa18kco2iyjgt32elayhfg16.1688838089427@email.android.com>
References: <aa18kco2iyjgt32elayhfg16.1688838089427@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <421FAC8B-1388-42E8-BD5A-34A50D706131@icloud.com>

+1

> On 8 Jul 2023, at 18:41, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Me as well.
> 
> Doug Puddifoot
> 
> On 8 July 2023, at 17:21, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?m having serious trouble in getting anything on the tech-ops site. Understandably Bernie won?t be able to help.
> 
> If this shows up could someone email me back to confirm that it has been seen
> 
> Tony B
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

? 
Graeme Wall




From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  8 12:48:33 2023
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:48:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!
In-Reply-To: <aa18kco2iyjgt32elayhfg16.1688838089427@email.android.com>
References: <aa18kco2iyjgt32elayhfg16.1688838089427@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <DB9P195MB2084DE897BA55550AA8C7733D032A@DB9P195MB2084.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have seen this too Sara

Sent from my iPhone

> On 8 Jul 2023, at 18:42, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?Me as well.
>
> Doug Puddifoot
>
> On 8 July 2023, at 17:21, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I?m having serious trouble in getting anything on the tech-ops site. Understandably Bernie won?t be able to help.
>
> If this shows up could someone email me back to confirm that it has been seen
>
> Tony B
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 13:14:38 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 19:14:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another test!
In-Reply-To: <98C8AB29-1843-4850-B612-FE69DE4493D8@gmail.com>
References: <98C8AB29-1843-4850-B612-FE69DE4493D8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d603204-5121-2be3-aabe-3eb6fcae9326@gmail.com>

      Yes, that's appeared OK. IIRC, the forum software seems to decide 
at random something is spam and block it. I've changed the email I use 
to send here a couple of times, but it still does it. Even opened a 
gmail account on Bernie's recommendation.

Dave.


On 08/07/2023 17:21, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m having serious trouble in getting anything on the tech-ops site. Understandably Bernie won?t be able to help.
> 
> If this shows up could someone email me back to confirm that it has been seen
> 
> Tony B

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 14:07:58 2023
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 20:07:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another test
Message-ID: <69F7C167-4C84-4A6D-9A94-73B1923ABF85@gmail.com>

Thanks to

Sara Newman 
Graeme All
Doug Puddifoot
David Joh Munday
David Newbit
Gary Critcher
Paul Thackray
Alec Bray

I?ve listed you like this as I?m sure you all don?t want a long trail of independent emails

Thanks again and perhaps I can send a couple of emails that I have wanted to send but no joy.

Tony B

From tonynuttall at me.com  Sun Jul  9 04:12:20 2023
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2023 09:12:20 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] What is Going on at BBC Wimbledon!!!
Message-ID: <fbf1c294-ddca-416e-9c8d-9ebe8565aef6@me.com>

What's going on on match TXM from Wimbledon. "Commercial Breaks" for theBBC iPlayer at most inappropriate moments ?during games. Even Friday Nights R4 "Dead Ringers" ?thought the idea provided a good comedic moment or two.Please could some body get a grip at Auntie. It's probably too late.Tony N , in the Wilds of Cumbriasomebody
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 08:48:41 2023
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 14:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What is Going on at BBC Wimbledon!!!
In-Reply-To: <fbf1c294-ddca-416e-9c8d-9ebe8565aef6@me.com>
References: <fbf1c294-ddca-416e-9c8d-9ebe8565aef6@me.com>
Message-ID: <001601d9b26c$12ec2be0$38c483a0$@gmail.com>

I could not agree more!

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of William Nuttall via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 10:12 AM
To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
Cc: Bernard Newnham <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] What is Going on at BBC Wimbledon!!!

 

What's going on on match TXM from Wimbledon. "Commercial Breaks" for the

BBC iPlayer at most inappropriate moments  during games. Even Friday Nights R4

"Dead Ringers"  thought the idea provided a good comedic moment or two.

Please could some body get a grip at Auntie. It's probably too late.

 

Tony N , in the Wilds of Cumbriasomebody

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From simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 09:53:56 2023
From: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com (Simon Vaughan)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 15:53:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023
Message-ID: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>

It was reported on Facebook this morning that sadly Yvonne Littlewood died on Friday evening.

The post by Adrian Pegg stated:

I have just received this message from Lesley Begley?
"I am so very sorry to tell you the very sad news that Yvonne died around 10pm on Friday.  Her cousin Peter has said that she didn?t pick up when he called her at 8pm on Saturday so he made his way down from the Midlands arriving at 2am this morning to find her resting peacefully on her sofa.?

Peter and I have been corresponding recently as I was due to visit Yvonne a few weeks ago, but family issues & a funeral meant I had to postpone my visit.  She was donating 100+ VHS tapes to the APTS Archive of her programmes - the list of tapes is an A-Z of amazing talent and stars!

An amazing lady with a BBC career that dates back to 1944 when she first started working in The Langham for the Finance Department.  She transferring to Alexandra Palace as secretary to the Establishment Assistant - Television, Sydney Budd.  Following that Yvonne became secretary to Michael Mills (LE Producer) who was responsible for the first LE programme to come out of Studio G at Lime Grove - ?Gala Variety?.  Some of the rehearsals and transmission was filmed by Desmond Campbell (the father of television lighting) which can be viewed here - https://youtu.be/V82uLwnEOYw.

Yvonne was a lovely lady, formidable at times, but a great friend and I will miss our phone conversations, made difficult over recent years due to her hearing loss.

RIP Yvonne, you will be greatly missed.


Simon Vaughan

==============================
Mob:  07791 780882

Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 10 02:30:46 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 08:30:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023
In-Reply-To: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>
References: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0ff0268a-5185-fc2f-0bfb-53c8114ed52e@amps.net>

Formidable indeed! But she had a good handle on producing/directing 
complex LE shows. Well trained under Michael Mills, fearsome in his own 
right!

Pat H

On 09/07/2023 15:53, Simon Vaughan via Tech1 wrote:
> It was reported on Facebook this morning that sadly Yvonne Littlewood 
> died on Friday evening.
>
> The post by Adrian Pegg stated:
>
> I have just received this message from Lesley Begley?
> "I am so very sorry to tell you the very sad news that Yvonne died 
> around 10pm on Friday. Her cousin Peter has said that she didn?t pick 
> up when he called her at 8pm on Saturday so he made his way down from 
> the Midlands arriving at 2am this morning to find her resting 
> peacefully on her sofa.?
> Peter and I have been corresponding recently as I was due to visit 
> Yvonne a few weeks ago, but family issues & a funeral meant I had to 
> postpone my visit. She was donating 100+ VHS tapes to the APTS Archive 
> of her programmes - the list of tapes is an A-Z of amazing talent and 
> stars!
> An amazing lady with a BBC career that dates back to 1944 when she 
> first started working in The Langham for the Finance Department. She 
> transferring to Alexandra Palace as secretary to the Establishment 
> Assistant - Television, Sydney Budd. Following that Yvonne became 
> secretary to Michael Mills (LE Producer) who was responsible for the 
> first LE programme to come out of Studio G at Lime Grove - ?Gala 
> Variety?. Some of the rehearsals and transmission was filmed by 
> Desmond Campbell (the father of television lighting) which can be 
> viewed here - https://youtu.be/V82uLwnEOYw.
>
> Yvonne was a lovely lady, formidable at times, but a great friend and 
> I will miss our phone?conversations, made difficult over recent years 
> due to her hearing loss.
>
> RIP Yvonne, you will be greatly missed.
>
>
> Simon Vaughan
>
> ==============================
> Mob: ?07791 780882
>
> Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Mon Jul 10 03:23:05 2023
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 09:23:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023
In-Reply-To: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>
References: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601d9b307$c196d190$44c474b0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Happy memories working on Val Doonican at the TV Theatre with Yvonne Littlewood in the early ?80?s.

Pioneering women in LE - Variety and Music - History of the BBC <https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/100-voices/pioneering-women/variety-and-music> 

 

Rob

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Simon Vaughan via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 3:54 PM
To: ohbytheway.tv--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023

 

It was reported on Facebook this morning that sadly Yvonne Littlewood died on Friday evening.

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 10 03:36:08 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 09:36:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What is Going on at BBC Wimbledon!!!
In-Reply-To: <001601d9b26c$12ec2be0$38c483a0$@gmail.com>
References: <fbf1c294-ddca-416e-9c8d-9ebe8565aef6@me.com>
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What indeed!

A couple of things I find annoying regarding the tennis coverage:

Thr running score table (top left) gets removed just when one needs a 
visual confirmation of the latest point
lost or won.
Why not permanently leave it up whatever the transmission shot is.

The low angle from behind the receiver is interesting to give the viewer 
a sense of what an expected serve looks like to the
receiver, but the cut back to the master wide is invariably late.

And why do commentators think that any moment of silence needs to be 
filled with mostly
unnecessary blather. Some years ago there used to be an option via red 
button of having no commentary?

However - a splendid memory of the late Max Robertson, radio commentator 
who described each stroke at high speed.

I keep banging on about decent presentation, but that went out of the 
window when TVC was decimated.

The Radio Times carries complaining letters from viewers who dislike the 
practice of shrinking the end credits
and talking over the programme junction, but no attention is paid to these.

There have been numerous skeletons when the cupboard was opened, though!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12279009/From-Savile-Schofield-TV-legends-fell-grace.html

Bah!

Pat H

>
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *William 
> Nuttall via Tech1
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 9, 2023 10:12 AM
> *To:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Bernard Newnham <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] What is Going on at BBC Wimbledon!!!
>
> What's going on on match TXM from Wimbledon. "Commercial Breaks" for the
>
> ?who couBBC iPlayer at most inappropriate moments ?during games. Even 
> Friday Nights R4
>
> "Dead Ringers" ?thought the idea provided a good comedic moment or two.
>
> Please could some body get a grip at Auntie. It's probably too late.
>
> Tony N , in the Wilds of Cumbriasomebody
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 10 04:53:03 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 10:53:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bernie on facebook
In-Reply-To: <pefp8npphttov9hj9gk3v8jl.1688818455592@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <pefp8npphttov9hj9gk3v8jl.1688818455592@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <eb1a85db-c05c-38e0-21b9-b4feacc725d7@amps.net>

Unless this was a spelling error by Paul, Bernie's name is misspelt, so 
could be a phishing or spam.
That sort of thing is immediately suspicious.

Pat H

On 08/07/2023 13:14, paul--- via Tech1 wrote:
> Earning for those on Facebook,
>
> I have just had a duplicate request on Facebook from Newman Bernard. I 
> have blocked it so hopefully Facebook will remove the duplicate shortly.
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> +44 7802 243979 <tel:+447802243979>
>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 10 06:09:08 2023
From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (sue.malden@btinternet.com sue.malden@btinternet.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:09:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023
In-Reply-To: <000601d9b307$c196d190$44c474b0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>
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We have an in interview with her in the BEHP (formerly BECTU) history 
archive
https://historyproject.org.uk/interview/yvonne-littlewood

Cheers Sue

------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert Miles via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: Monday, 10 Jul, 23 At 09:23
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023

Happy memories working on Val Doonican at the TV Theatre with Yvonne 
Littlewood in the early ?80?s.
Pioneering women in LE - Variety and Music - History of the BBC 
<https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/100-voices/pioneering-women/variety-and-music>

Rob


From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Simon Vaughan 
via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 3:54 PM
To: ohbytheway.tv--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023


It was reported on Facebook this morning that sadly Yvonne Littlewood 
died on Friday evening.



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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 06:33:22 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:33:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised for Bernie
Message-ID: <1EE2041F-83CB-4BA5-8A66-9D4BA66343A8@gmail.com>

Dear All,
As you may be aware, Bernie is currently unwell and when I went to see him at his home a couple of weeks ago, I said I?d like to try and arrange a disorganised lunch as we haven?t had one since last October. His eyes lit up at the idea and he asked if I could take photos to show him as he wouldn?t be able to make it himself, so I?m doing a trawl to see how many of us we can get together.
I have in mind Tuesday 18th July at our usual venue, The Horniman, London Bridge, 12noon onwards.
Please let me know if you can come and it would be good if there were lots familiar faces there for Bernie, as I know it would cheer him greatly,
Regards,
Geoff Hawkes
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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 10 06:39:40 2023
From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (sue.malden@btinternet.com sue.malden@btinternet.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:39:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023
In-Reply-To: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>
References: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <346a657a.540e.1893f99a1ff.Webtop.115@btinternet.com>


Thanks Simon
I have you heard our interview with Yvonne? 
https://historyproject.org.uk/interview/yvonne-littlewood
Cheers Sue

------ Original Message ------
From: "Simon Vaughan via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "ohbytheway.tv--- via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, 9 Jul, 23 At 15:53
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023
It was reported on Facebook this morning that sadly Yvonne Littlewood 
died on Friday evening.

The post by Adrian Pegg stated:


I have just received this message from Lesley Begley?
"I am so very sorry to tell you the very sad news that Yvonne died 
around 10pm on Friday.  Her cousin Peter has said that she didn?t pick 
up when he called her at 8pm on Saturday so he made his way down from 
the Midlands arriving at 2am this morning to find her resting peacefully 
on her sofa.?


Peter and I have been corresponding recently as I was due to visit 
Yvonne a few weeks ago, but family issues & a funeral meant I had to 
postpone my visit.  She was donating 100+ VHS tapes to the APTS Archive 
of her programmes - the list of tapes is an A-Z of amazing talent and 
stars!


An amazing lady with a BBC career that dates back to 1944 when she first 
started working in The Langham for the Finance Department.  She 
transferring to Alexandra Palace as secretary to the Establishment 
Assistant - Television, Sydney Budd.  Following that Yvonne became 
secretary to Michael Mills (LE Producer) who was responsible for the 
first LE programme to come out of Studio G at Lime Grove - ?Gala 
Variety?.  Some of the rehearsals and transmission was filmed by Desmond 
Campbell (the father of television lighting) which can be viewed here - 
https://youtu.be/V82uLwnEOYw <https://youtu.be/V82uLwnEOYw> .


Yvonne was a lovely lady, formidable at times, but a great friend and I 
will miss our phone conversations, made difficult over recent years due 
to her hearing loss.


RIP Yvonne, you will be greatly missed.





Simon Vaughan
==============================
Mob:  07791 780882

Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com
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From davidpcarter at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 10 06:43:06 2023
From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:43:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised for Bernie
In-Reply-To: <1EE2041F-83CB-4BA5-8A66-9D4BA66343A8@gmail.com>
References: <1EE2041F-83CB-4BA5-8A66-9D4BA66343A8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c104492.4913.1893f9cc55f.Webtop.98@btinternet.com>


Thanks for doing this Geoff, but I will be out of town.  I hope it goes 
well.

David

------ Original Message ------
From: "Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "BBC Tech-ops" <Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, 10 Jul, 2023 At 12:33
Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised for Bernie
Dear All,
As you may be aware, Bernie is currently unwell and when I went to see 
him at his home a couple of weeks ago, I said I?d like to try and 
arrange a disorganised lunch as we haven?t had one since last October. 
His eyes lit up at the idea and he asked if I could take photos to show 
him as he wouldn?t be able to make it himself, so I?m doing a trawl to 
see how many of us we can get together.
I have in mind Tuesday 18th July at our usual venue, The Horniman, 
London Bridge, 12noon onwards.
Please let me know if you can come and it would be good if there were 
lots familiar faces there for Bernie, as I know it would cheer him 
greatly,
Regards,
Geoff Hawkes
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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 10 07:47:21 2023
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:47:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised for Bernie
In-Reply-To: <1EE2041F-83CB-4BA5-8A66-9D4BA66343A8@gmail.com>
References: <1EE2041F-83CB-4BA5-8A66-9D4BA66343A8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB9P195MB20844738789E34FBE28F3AD9D030A@DB9P195MB2084.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Yes I can come Sara

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Jul 2023, at 12:34, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Dear All,
As you may be aware, Bernie is currently unwell and when I went to see him at his home a couple of weeks ago, I said I?d like to try and arrange a disorganised lunch as we haven?t had one since last October. His eyes lit up at the idea and he asked if I could take photos to show him as he wouldn?t be able to make it himself, so I?m doing a trawl to see how many of us we can get together.
I have in mind Tuesday 18th July at our usual venue, The Horniman, London Bridge, 12noon onwards.
Please let me know if you can come and it would be good if there were lots familiar faces there for Bernie, as I know it would cheer him greatly,
Regards,
Geoff Hawkes
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul 11 03:28:22 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 09:28:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023
In-Reply-To: <4efdef53.52e7.1893f7dac6b.Webtop.115@btinternet.com>
References: <96C09A7B-B931-4E20-81B2-9DEF2D755E63@gmail.com>
	<000601d9b307$c196d190$44c474b0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
	<4efdef53.52e7.1893f7dac6b.Webtop.115@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <f8e3bdb3-410a-87fd-035f-b01f33013e69@amps.net>

Does Simon Vaughan know about this?

Pat H


On 10/07/2023 12:09, sue.malden at btinternet.com sue.malden--- via Tech1 
wrote:
> We have an in interview with her in the BEHP (formerly BECTU) history 
> archive
>
> https://historyproject.org.uk/interview/yvonne-littlewood
>
>
> Cheers Sue
>
>
>     ------ Original Message ------ From: "Robert Miles via Tech1"
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Monday, 10
>     Jul, 23 At 09:23 Subject: [Tech1] Yvonne Littlewood 1927 - 2023
>
>     Happy memories working on Val Doonican at the TV Theatre with
>     Yvonne Littlewood in the early ?80?s.
>
>     Pioneering women in LE - Variety and Music - History of the BBC
>     <https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/100-voices/pioneering-women/variety-and-music>
>
>     Rob
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul 11 04:53:34 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 10:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
Message-ID: <a790f299-d16d-a8c3-c79e-7bb9cfec5cbb@amps.net>

Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of 
merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, 
when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.

I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds 
Mastercard, should they be asked for.
It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.

Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.

Pat H
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 05:00:51 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:00:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <a790f299-d16d-a8c3-c79e-7bb9cfec5cbb@amps.net>
References: <a790f299-d16d-a8c3-c79e-7bb9cfec5cbb@amps.net>
Message-ID: <fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>

Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you are 
retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh -you 
can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.


On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of 
> merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, 
> when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
> 
> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds 
> Mastercard, should they be asked for.
> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
> 
> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.
> 
> Pat H
> 
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jul 11 05:09:25 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:09:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>
References: <fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28ED0AA0-6893-4749-A5CF-EDD1A1C42047@me.com>

It?s also worth bearing in mind that if you pay bills by Direct Debit, it?s entirely under your control and you can instantly cancel it.  On the other hand, continuous authority to pay via a credit card has to be cancelled by the company benefitting from that payment.  There are companies who can be very reluctant to stop helping themselves to your money.

Alan



> On 11 Jul 2023, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
> 
> 
>> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.
>> Pat H
> 
> -- 
> Dave Plowman
> London, SW
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul 11 05:56:31 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:56:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>
References: <a790f299-d16d-a8c3-c79e-7bb9cfec5cbb@amps.net>
	<fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <de8b3ea5-ac44-0060-4e1f-136cd694f4c1@amps.net>

I don't pay any fees for any credit card.

My Amex is linked to BA, so I get AirMiles, or Avios as they are now called.

I have lots, so must go somewhere,soon! Maybe First Class. Have flown 1st
on several occasions, thanks to well-heeled production companies!
Air India out of New York was exceptional.

I intended going to visit old colleagues in NZ, but they died!

Debit cards take the money immediately, whereas a credit card allows several
weeks of grace, so one's annuity/pension income can accrue!

You probably know the acronyms for the airlines, but here they are:

ALITALIA: Aircraft Landing In Tokyo; All Luggage In Amsterdam
BA (UK): Bloody Awful
BOAC (UK):Bought On American Credit
Better On A Camel
BWIA:Britain?s Worst Investment Anywhere
EL AL (Israel): Every Landing Always Late
GARUDA (INDONESIA):Gutted And Rusted Used Dutch Airplanes
IA (INDIA):Allah Informed
JAL (JAPAN): Junk Air Line
LIAT (CARIBBEAN): Leaving Islands, anytime
LUFTHANSA:Let Us F*** The Hostesses As No Stewards Available
PAL Inc (Philippines): Plane Always Late; If Not Cancelled
PIA (PAKISTAN):Please Inform Allah
QANTAS:Queens And Nancies Training As Stewards
SABENA:Such A Bloody Experience Never Again
TAP: Try Another Plane
TWA: The Worst Airline
Try Walking Across

Pat H

On 11/07/2023 11:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you 
> are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh 
> -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
>
>
> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of 
>> merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of 
>> subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>>
>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to 
>> Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>>
>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually 
>> mandatory.
>>
>> Pat H
>>
>>
>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue Jul 11 06:12:14 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 12:12:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>
References: <fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3312D73-1ACE-4D77-B081-5EFD4C8EFD71@me.com>

I've just been caught like that having paid for Nord VPN on my credit card.  While I would have continued with it, it seems impossible to stop - there was no warning.

I don't think Pat was caught like that, I don't  think he's talking about card fees? I may be wrong.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 11 Jul 2023, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
> 
> 
>> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.
>> Pat H
> 
> -- 
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> London, SW
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jul 11 06:54:04 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 12:54:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <A3312D73-1ACE-4D77-B081-5EFD4C8EFD71@me.com>
References: <fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>
	<A3312D73-1ACE-4D77-B081-5EFD4C8EFD71@me.com>
Message-ID: <443a2b0a-101b-5993-0382-e94db9c3fff2@chriswoolf.co.uk>

As Alan has said, these are "continuous authority" payments. Nobody in 
their right mind should agree to those.

Chris Woolf


On 11/07/2023 12:12, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> I've just been caught like that having paid for Nord VPN on my credit card.  While I would have continued with it, it seems impossible to stop - there was no warning.
>
> I don't think Pat was caught like that, I don't  think he's talking about card fees? I may be wrong.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>
>
>
>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
>>
>>
>>> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.
>>> Pat H
>> -- 
>> Dave Plowman
>> London, SW
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 11:33:08 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 17:33:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <443a2b0a-101b-5993-0382-e94db9c3fff2@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <fbed6da9-8e98-e005-0732-2b2b3d49a474@gmail.com>
	<A3312D73-1ACE-4D77-B081-5EFD4C8EFD71@me.com>
	<443a2b0a-101b-5993-0382-e94db9c3fff2@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4607af42-8fa7-63c3-527b-434b5f1e7556@gmail.com>

I'll only agree to them for things I don't want to lapse. Like house and 
car insurance. But generally check if they are still be best deal before 
an auto renew anyway.

Sorry to Pat for thinking he paid for his Amex card.

On 11/07/2023 12:54, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> As Alan has said, these are "continuous authority" payments. Nobody in 
> their right mind should agree to those.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> On 11/07/2023 12:12, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>> I've just been caught like that having paid for Nord VPN on my credit 
>> card.? While I would have continued with it, it seems impossible to 
>> stop - there was no warning.
>>
>> I don't think Pat was caught like that, I don't? think he's talking 
>> about card fees? I may be wrong.
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you 
>>> are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh 
>>> -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of 
>>>> merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of 
>>>> subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>>>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to 
>>>> Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>>>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>>>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually 
>>>> mandatory.
>>>> Pat H
>>> -- 
>>> Dave Plowman
>>> London, SW
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jul 11 11:56:51 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 17:56:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <4607af42-8fa7-63c3-527b-434b5f1e7556@gmail.com>
References: <4607af42-8fa7-63c3-527b-434b5f1e7556@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F1B22D9-2716-42FB-86FA-FFFC5F29C0CD@me.com>

I got rid of my Continuous Authorisation arrangements after I tried to cancel a broadband contract with Virgin.  They kept coming up with excuses why it couldn?t be cancelled, even though I was long out of the minimum contract period and had just moved to a house which didn?t have Virgin cable.  Santander wouldn?t help me by blocking those charges. In the end I cancelled the card, but Virgin still managed to make two months charges against that non-existent card.  Obviously I never paid those fees, but was anticipating some sort of negative effect on my credit rating.  Fortunately it all faded away and I never had anything more to do with Santander or Virgin again.

Alan


> On 11 Jul 2023, at 17:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I'll only agree to them for things I don't want to lapse. Like house and car insurance. But generally check if they are still be best deal before an auto renew anyway.
> 
> Sorry to Pat for thinking he paid for his Amex card.
> 
>> On 11/07/2023 12:54, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> As Alan has said, these are "continuous authority" payments. Nobody in their right mind should agree to those.
>> Chris Woolf
>>> On 11/07/2023 12:12, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I've just been caught like that having paid for Nord VPN on my credit card.  While I would have continued with it, it seems impossible to stop - there was no warning.
>>> 
>>> I don't think Pat was caught like that, I don't  think he's talking about card fees? I may be wrong.
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>>>>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>>>>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>>>>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.
>>>>> Pat H
>>>> -- 
>>>> Dave Plowman
>>>> London, SW
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> -- 
> Dave Plowman
> London, SW
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue Jul 11 12:02:38 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 18:02:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <0F1B22D9-2716-42FB-86FA-FFFC5F29C0CD@me.com>
References: <0F1B22D9-2716-42FB-86FA-FFFC5F29C0CD@me.com>
Message-ID: <0E68B084-3143-45C2-A37E-FA416E866FF3@me.com>

To be fair to Nord, they did tell me the VPN was to be renewed in a month's time.  It looked like a sales e-mail so I didn't even open it.

It turns out to be quite easy to stop auto renewal, which I have done, but will take more care and renew manually.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 11 Jul 2023, at 17:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I got rid of my Continuous Authorisation arrangements after I tried to cancel a broadband contract with Virgin.  They kept coming up with excuses why it couldn?t be cancelled, even though I was long out of the minimum contract period and had just moved to a house which didn?t have Virgin cable.  Santander wouldn?t help me by blocking those charges. In the end I cancelled the card, but Virgin still managed to make two months charges against that non-existent card.  Obviously I never paid those fees, but was anticipating some sort of negative effect on my credit rating.  Fortunately it all faded away and I never had anything more to do with Santander or Virgin again.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 17:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I'll only agree to them for things I don't want to lapse. Like house and car insurance. But generally check if they are still be best deal before an auto renew anyway.
>> 
>> Sorry to Pat for thinking he paid for his Amex card.
>> 
>>>> On 11/07/2023 12:54, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>> As Alan has said, these are "continuous authority" payments. Nobody in their right mind should agree to those.
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> On 11/07/2023 12:12, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I've just been caught like that having paid for Nord VPN on my credit card.  While I would have continued with it, it seems impossible to stop - there was no warning.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think Pat was caught like that, I don't  think he's talking about card fees? I may be wrong.
>>>> 
>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>> 
>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>>>>>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>>>>>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>>>>>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.
>>>>>> Pat H
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Dave Plowman
>>>>> London, SW
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dave Plowman
>> London, SW
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 13:10:23 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 19:10:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fraud Protection
Message-ID: <22cadc11-22e5-12e5-ecef-f6908500bf58@gmail.com>

I've sold my old Rover (because of the ULEZ) to a lovely quite elderly 
couple who came from Wales to collect it.  Some days back, they did a ?1 
transfer to my account followed by a 10% deposit when that was 
successful. Balance to be paid on collection.

Over a cup of tea, the wife tries to make the final payment. But no 
signal (EE) So give her my Wi-Fi code. Still had problems, so she phoned 
her bank. I could hear both ends of the conversation. Eventually, she 
seemed to manage. Then got a text telling her to phone the bank fraud 
line. Asking her all sorts of questions to make sure she wasn't being 
conned. Then her phone credit ran out (PAYG). About 90 minutes later, it 
all seemed sorted. But hadn't appeared in my account. And everyone had 
told me "do not let the car go until the money is in your account" But 
if they were fraudsters, you'd have thought they'd go for a Ferrari or 
whatever.

But it did appear about a 1/2 hour later, so all was well.


-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jul 12 03:58:50 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 09:58:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <0F1B22D9-2716-42FB-86FA-FFFC5F29C0CD@me.com>
References: <4607af42-8fa7-63c3-527b-434b5f1e7556@gmail.com>
	<0F1B22D9-2716-42FB-86FA-FFFC5F29C0CD@me.com>
Message-ID: <bc3d472d-ae54-1d42-c604-77316071ee42@amps.net>

This came about as last year I had been using a free programme from 
SODA, to combine several .pdf's into one composite.
Worked very well.
So recently needed to do the same this month - but now they wanted a 
small payment (?1.67) for a one-off.
So they got my credit card details.
Without any warning, they informed me that my subscription would be 
renewed for one year at ?79.99.

I think I managed to cancel that as I was invited to write in a box why 
I was cancelling - put 'too expensive'.
I have asked my bank for a block on this transaction should it be tried. 
(Lloyds Mastercard).
I bitterly object to this practice of sneakily charging without the 
chance to say yea or no beforehand.

It should be illegal.
Pat H

On 11/07/2023 17:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I got rid of my Continuous Authorisation arrangements after I tried to cancel a broadband contract with Virgin.  They kept coming up with excuses why it couldn?t be cancelled, even though I was long out of the minimum contract period and had just moved to a house which didn?t have Virgin cable.  Santander wouldn?t help me by blocking those charges. In the end I cancelled the card, but Virgin still managed to make two months charges against that non-existent card.  Obviously I never paid those fees, but was anticipating some sort of negative effect on my credit rating.  Fortunately it all faded away and I never had anything more to do with Santander or Virgin again.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 17:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?I'll only agree to them for things I don't want to lapse. Like house and car insurance. But generally check if they are still be best deal before an auto renew anyway.
>>
>> Sorry to Pat for thinking he paid for his Amex card.
>>
>>> On 11/07/2023 12:54, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>> As Alan has said, these are "continuous authority" payments. Nobody in their right mind should agree to those.
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> On 11/07/2023 12:12, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I've just been caught like that having paid for Nord VPN on my credit card.  While I would have continued with it, it seems impossible to stop - there was no warning.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Pat was caught like that, I don't  think he's talking about card fees? I may be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>
>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>>>>>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>>>>>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>>>>>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.
>>>>>> Pat H
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Dave Plowman
>>>>> London, SW
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> -- 
>> Dave Plowman
>> London, SW
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Jul 12 04:42:27 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 10:42:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <bc3d472d-ae54-1d42-c604-77316071ee42@amps.net>
References: <4607af42-8fa7-63c3-527b-434b5f1e7556@gmail.com>
	<0F1B22D9-2716-42FB-86FA-FFFC5F29C0CD@me.com>
	<bc3d472d-ae54-1d42-c604-77316071ee42@amps.net>
Message-ID: <f1875cf6-5e71-295c-650f-e69ccdafb1a8@chriswoolf.co.uk>

You'll probably find that the continuous authority agreement is hidden 
in the terms and conditions that you ticked. It is incredibly hard to 
avoid these sneaky snags.

It is sometimes possible to do a few Google searches to check for such 
scams with a particular product - someone else will probably have been 
caught in a similar fashion.

Chris W


On 12/07/2023 09:58, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> This came about as last year I had been using a free programme from 
> SODA, to combine several .pdf's into one composite.
> Worked very well.
> So recently needed to do the same this month - but now they wanted a 
> small payment (?1.67) for a one-off.
> So they got my credit card details.
> Without any warning, they informed me that my subscription would be 
> renewed for one year at ?79.99.
>
> I think I managed to cancel that as I was invited to write in a box 
> why I was cancelling - put 'too expensive'.
> I have asked my bank for a block on this transaction should it be 
> tried. (Lloyds Mastercard).
> I bitterly object to this practice of sneakily charging without the 
> chance to say yea or no beforehand.
>
> It should be illegal.
> Pat H
>
>
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Wed Jul 12 07:53:28 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 13:53:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <bc3d472d-ae54-1d42-c604-77316071ee42@amps.net>
References: <bc3d472d-ae54-1d42-c604-77316071ee42@amps.net>
Message-ID: <25D9A905-FC77-4639-A32A-833630BDE2FA@talktalk.net>

If you have a Mac the included Preview programme can make multi page .pdfs without any charge. I know nobody likes a smart arse but it might be helpful!

Hugh Snape

> On 12 Jul 2023, at 10:07, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> This came about as last year I had been using a free programme from SODA, to combine several .pdf's into one composite.
> Worked very well.
> So recently needed to do the same this month - but now they wanted a small payment (?1.67) for a one-off.
> So they got my credit card details.
> Without any warning, they informed me that my subscription would be renewed for one year at ?79.99.
> 
> I think I managed to cancel that as I was invited to write in a box why I was cancelling - put 'too expensive'.
> I have asked my bank for a block on this transaction should it be tried. (Lloyds Mastercard).
> I bitterly object to this practice of sneakily charging without the chance to say yea or no beforehand.
> 
> It should be illegal.
> Pat H
> 
> On 11/07/2023 17:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I got rid of my Continuous Authorisation arrangements after I tried to cancel a broadband contract with Virgin.  They kept coming up with excuses why it couldn?t be cancelled, even though I was long out of the minimum contract period and had just moved to a house which didn?t have Virgin cable.  Santander wouldn?t help me by blocking those charges. In the end I cancelled the card, but Virgin still managed to make two months charges against that non-existent card.  Obviously I never paid those fees, but was anticipating some sort of negative effect on my credit rating.  Fortunately it all faded away and I never had anything more to do with Santander or Virgin again.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 17:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I'll only agree to them for things I don't want to lapse. Like house and car insurance. But generally check if they are still be best deal before an auto renew anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry to Pat for thinking he paid for his Amex card.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/07/2023 12:54, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> As Alan has said, these are "continuous authority" payments. Nobody in their right mind should agree to those.
>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>> On 11/07/2023 12:12, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> I've just been caught like that having paid for Nord VPN on my credit card.  While I would have continued with it, it seems impossible to stop - there was no warning.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't think Pat was caught like that, I don't  think he's talking about card fees? I may be wrong.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Would ask why you need a card which carries a yearly charge now you are retired? Unless it gives you benefits like free insurance etc? Oh -you can buy pretty well anything online with a debit card.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/07/2023 10:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>> Is anyone also worried about the iniquitous practice of merchants/companies automatically charging for renewal of subscriptions, when an authorisation has not been specifically sought.
>>>>>>> I have just put a block on two payments, one to Amex and one to Lloyds Mastercard, should they be asked for.
>>>>>>> It's all too easy once the supplier has your credit card details.
>>>>>>> Trouble is - with on-line ordering, a credit card is virtually mandatory.
>>>>>>> Pat H
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Dave Plowman
>>>>>> London, SW
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> -- 
>>> Dave Plowman
>>> London, SW
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> -- 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jul 12 13:28:03 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 19:28:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <25D9A905-FC77-4639-A32A-833630BDE2FA@talktalk.net>
References: <25D9A905-FC77-4639-A32A-833630BDE2FA@talktalk.net>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul 13 02:47:39 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 08:47:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto Renewal charging
In-Reply-To: <f1875cf6-5e71-295c-650f-e69ccdafb1a8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <4607af42-8fa7-63c3-527b-434b5f1e7556@gmail.com>
	<0F1B22D9-2716-42FB-86FA-FFFC5F29C0CD@me.com>
	<bc3d472d-ae54-1d42-c604-77316071ee42@amps.net>
	<f1875cf6-5e71-295c-650f-e69ccdafb1a8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0543ec18-9037-173e-d8eb-bd88aae8f1d6@amps.net>

You are quite right, Chris.

How many folks tick the box without reading. If you do not agree, and 
don't tick, then one doesn't get the product.

They have forced one into it.

Pat H

On 12/07/2023 10:42, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> You'll probably find that the continuous authority agreement is hidden 
> in the terms and conditions that you ticked. It is incredibly hard to 
> avoid these sneaky snags.
>
> It is sometimes possible to do a few Google searches to check for such 
> scams with a particular product - someone else will probably have been 
> caught in a similar fashion.
>
> Chris W
>
>
> On 12/07/2023 09:58, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> This came about as last year I had been using a free programme from 
>> SODA, to combine several .pdf's into one composite.
>> Worked very well.
>> So recently needed to do the same this month - but now they wanted a 
>> small payment (?1.67) for a one-off.
>> So they got my credit card details.
>> Without any warning, they informed me that my subscription would be 
>> renewed for one year at ?79.99.
>>
>> I think I managed to cancel that as I was invited to write in a box 
>> why I was cancelling - put 'too expensive'.
>> I have asked my bank for a block on this transaction should it be 
>> tried. (Lloyds Mastercard).
>> I bitterly object to this practice of sneakily charging without the 
>> chance to say yea or no beforehand.
>>
>> It should be illegal.
>> Pat H
>>
>>
>
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Thu Jul 13 05:17:57 2023
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:17:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
Message-ID: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>

Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.

Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!

Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get readings.

Advice welcome.

John V

From peter.neill at icloud.com  Thu Jul 13 05:25:41 2023
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:25:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
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The biggest objection has been that smart meters enable more subtle variations in charges than the old peak and off peak rates controlled by a simple timeswitch. I?m not sure that?s necessarily a bad thing but there?s no sign of it happening yet. If and when it does you can be sure that we will be persuaded to change by punitive rates for a dull meter. 

Peter Neill 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:19, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.
> 
> Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!
> 
> Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get readings.
> 
> Advice welcome.
> 
> John V
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Jul 13 05:59:40 2023
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:59:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <AEBD686D-2726-4B5E-8F07-8D2E4EF7E53D@icloud.com>
References: <AEBD686D-2726-4B5E-8F07-8D2E4EF7E53D@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <BFE7ABC1-73DF-4D2D-AB26-DC7B92119F7B@zero51.force9.co.uk>

Its not a legal requirement to have one installed. Just government pressure on the energy companies.
They might be able to maintain that your old meter is obsolete/dangerous? They were supposed to be changed at regular intervals but I don't think that happened very often judging by my cu foot mechanical  meter. Incidentally a gas man told me that particular model was amazingly reliable. (one of) My objection is losing control of how much my spend is with daily/hourly varying rates and how much they have extracted. Is the Direct Debit keeping up? At the moment I can enter the readings into an Excel sheet and know how much energy I have used in three months, or one month, whatever. I do not need to know that I spent ?4.73 yesterday. What would I do? turn the heating down 1 degree? If I had done that every time some politician/newspaper/BBC had told me to in the last 55 years I would be getting very close to absolute zero.




Peter Fox

On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:26, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?The biggest objection has been that smart meters enable more subtle variations in charges than the old peak and off peak rates controlled by a simple timeswitch. I?m not sure that?s necessarily a bad thing but there?s no sign of it happening yet. If and when it does you can be sure that we will be persuaded to change by punitive rates for a dull meter. 

Peter Neill 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:19, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.
> 
> Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!
> 
> Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get readings.
> 
> Advice welcome.
> 
> John V
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Jul 13 06:21:40 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:21:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <AEBD686D-2726-4B5E-8F07-8D2E4EF7E53D@icloud.com>
References: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
	<AEBD686D-2726-4B5E-8F07-8D2E4EF7E53D@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <207cb25b-c826-af08-527e-80017f8a3ca8@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Well there was some small scale /downward/ pricing to save generation 
capacity earlier this year, if you had a smart meter, and with certain 
suppliers. Suggestions to do your washing machine and tumble drier 
within certain time bands.

So, yes, it is beginning to be applied. Does have to be a SMETS 2.

I'd love to have smart meters, but because radio reception is tricky 
here, and one of my supplies is a dual tariff version, the meter people 
refuse to put one in. So that'll be amusing if "they" start to insist on 
smart meters everywhere.

The only downside seemed to be if you were on a pre-pay tariff - the 
agencies could put you on and off those remotely, which wasn't always 
good - but it did stop them breaking the door down to get the meter.

Chris Woolf

On 13/07/2023 11:25, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
> The biggest objection has been that smart meters enable more subtle variations in charges than the old peak and off peak rates controlled by a simple timeswitch. I?m not sure that?s necessarily a bad thing but there?s no sign of it happening yet. If and when it does you can be sure that we will be persuaded to change by punitive rates for a dull meter.
>
> Peter Neill
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>
>> On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:19, crew13 via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.
>>
>> Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!
>>
>> Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get readings.
>>
>> Advice welcome.
>>
>> John V
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Jul 13 06:39:53 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:39:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <207cb25b-c826-af08-527e-80017f8a3ca8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
	<AEBD686D-2726-4B5E-8F07-8D2E4EF7E53D@icloud.com>
	<207cb25b-c826-af08-527e-80017f8a3ca8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E3579E97-1DAE-46A9-9A82-3861730DB88D@me.com>

Another real problem is that we've been conditioned for so long to accept that everything from outlandish CEO salaries to energy costs is due to 'market forces', when it is painfully obvious that they're either a self-fulfilling prophecy (exec. pay) or a cartel (oil and gas production).

They are usually scams of some sort, eg renewable energy costs the same and is 'traded' at the same price as nuclear, coal or gas produced energy.

The input costs for renewables are a fraction of the others - we have lost the linkage between input costs and output. Note that many energy suppliers claim to be '100% renewable' even in the depths of winter, or overnight.

And the fault lies with poor regulation, and weak/non-existent enforcement. Or the revolving door between the Regulated and the Regulator, and, of course the accountants.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 13 Jul 2023, at 12:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Well there was some small scale downward pricing to save generation capacity earlier this year, if you had a smart meter, and with certain suppliers. Suggestions to do your washing machine and tumble drier within certain time bands.
> 
> So, yes, it is beginning to be applied. Does have to be a SMETS 2. 
> 
> I'd love to have smart meters, but because radio reception is tricky here, and one of my supplies is a dual tariff version, the meter people refuse to put one in. So that'll be amusing if "they" start to insist on smart meters everywhere.
> 
> The only downside seemed to be if you were on a pre-pay tariff - the agencies could put you on and off those remotely, which wasn't always good - but it did stop them breaking the door down to get the meter.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> On 13/07/2023 11:25, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
>> The biggest objection has been that smart meters enable more subtle variations in charges than the old peak and off peak rates controlled by a simple timeswitch. I?m not sure that?s necessarily a bad thing but there?s no sign of it happening yet. If and when it does you can be sure that we will be persuaded to change by punitive rates for a dull meter. 
>> 
>> Peter Neill 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
>> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:19, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.
>>> 
>>> Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!
>>> 
>>> Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get readings.
>>> 
>>> Advice welcome.
>>> 
>>> John V
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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From jccglass at gmail.com  Thu Jul 13 07:48:13 2023
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris laptop on GMail)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 13:48:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <207cb25b-c826-af08-527e-80017f8a3ca8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
	<AEBD686D-2726-4B5E-8F07-8D2E4EF7E53D@icloud.com>
	<207cb25b-c826-af08-527e-80017f8a3ca8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6f4c3319-7f4c-14ab-7025-a402f794f033@gmail.com>

for those of you who have off peak heating BEWARE

i was on a 10 hour low rate? 10pm to 8? am? but didnt realise i wouldnt 
get the same deal with a smart meter

 ?now with smart meter ive been switched (without warning) to economy 7? 
1`2-7am' and unlike the old mechanicalsystem

oit dosnt adjust for summer time so a present its 1pm? to 8am


at least if i do wake early i can put the washing machine on


chris Glass ( ifealing ive been? scammed by eon)



From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Thu Jul 13 07:51:43 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 13:51:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <BFE7ABC1-73DF-4D2D-AB26-DC7B92119F7B@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <BFE7ABC1-73DF-4D2D-AB26-DC7B92119F7B@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <02DC1B7D-E498-4B0C-BB0C-DF133078C548@sky.com>

I have a smart meter installed and I find it very useful. For some reason I am on a two phase electrical supply set up when we had our storage heaters fitted thirty years ago. We have therefore a three phase smart meter. We have solar panels, a house battery and our supplier is Octopus. Their app allows full information about what we have used and whether it is at a low rate or higher rate. Our tariff is called flux where the dearest part of charges is between 1600 and 1900 each day. There is a very cheap tariff and a mid range one as well. I am at home most days so between the Octopus app and the smart meter display I can be in charge of what I use and when. Octopus bills come in every month and detail how much of each tariff I have used. A separate solar app allows me to control my solar generation, battery storage and when to divert excess electricity to charge up our electric car. We have no gas supply.
I actually enjoy using all these widgets( yes I know it?s very sad) and particularly when I can inform the boss that if she spent two minutes less time in the electric shower( 10 kw!) she could save us 30 p each time. ??

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Jul 2023, at 12:34, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Its not a legal requirement to have one installed. Just government pressure on the energy companies.
> They might be able to maintain that your old meter is obsolete/dangerous? They were supposed to be changed at regular intervals but I don't think that happened very often judging by my cu foot mechanical  meter. Incidentally a gas man told me that particular model was amazingly reliable. (one of) My objection is losing control of how much my spend is with daily/hourly varying rates and how much they have extracted. Is the Direct Debit keeping up? At the moment I can enter the readings into an Excel sheet and know how much energy I have used in three months, or one month, whatever. I do not need to know that I spent ?4.73 yesterday. What would I do? turn the heating down 1 degree? If I had done that every time some politician/newspaper/BBC had told me to in the last 55 years I would be getting very close to absolute zero.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:26, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The biggest objection has been that smart meters enable more subtle variations in charges than the old peak and off peak rates controlled by a simple timeswitch. I?m not sure that?s necessarily a bad thing but there?s no sign of it happening yet. If and when it does you can be sure that we will be persuaded to change by punitive rates for a dull meter. 
> 
> Peter Neill 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
>> On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:19, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.
>> 
>> Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!
>> 
>> Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get readings.
>> 
>> Advice welcome.
>> 
>> John V
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
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> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 13 08:09:31 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:09:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <02DC1B7D-E498-4B0C-BB0C-DF133078C548@sky.com>
References: <BFE7ABC1-73DF-4D2D-AB26-DC7B92119F7B@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<02DC1B7D-E498-4B0C-BB0C-DF133078C548@sky.com>
Message-ID: <cab0915c-acb0-9038-fa40-49975708a5f7@gmail.com>

Yes - same here, I like them too. After eventually getting them all 
working as promised. It's not that hard to work out much anything 
electric costs to run, but gas more tricky. And nice to be able to see 
at a glance what a shower or bath really does cost.

Tend to ignore the conspiracy theorists,
On 13/07/2023 13:51, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote:
> I have a smart meter installed and I find it very useful. For some reason I am on a two phase electrical supply set up when we had our storage heaters fitted thirty years ago. We have therefore a three phase smart meter. We have solar panels, a house battery and our supplier is Octopus. Their app allows full information about what we have used and whether it is at a low rate or higher rate. Our tariff is called flux where the dearest part of charges is between 1600 and 1900 each day. There is a very cheap tariff and a mid range one as well. I am at home most days so between the Octopus app and the smart meter display I can be in charge of what I use and when. Octopus bills come in every month and detail how much of each tariff I have used. A separate solar app allows me to control my solar generation, battery storage and when to divert excess electricity to charge up our electric car. We have no gas supply.
> I actually enjoy using all these widgets( yes I know it?s very sad) and particularly when I can inform the boss that if she spent two minutes less time in the electric shower( 10 kw!) she could save us 30 p each time. ??
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 13 Jul 2023, at 12:34, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Its not a legal requirement to have one installed. Just government pressure on the energy companies.
>> They might be able to maintain that your old meter is obsolete/dangerous? They were supposed to be changed at regular intervals but I don't think that happened very often judging by my cu foot mechanical  meter. Incidentally a gas man told me that particular model was amazingly reliable. (one of) My objection is losing control of how much my spend is with daily/hourly varying rates and how much they have extracted. Is the Direct Debit keeping up? At the moment I can enter the readings into an Excel sheet and know how much energy I have used in three months, or one month, whatever. I do not need to know that I spent ?4.73 yesterday. What would I do? turn the heating down 1 degree? If I had done that every time some politician/newspaper/BBC had told me to in the last 55 years I would be getting very close to absolute zero.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Fox
>>
>> On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:26, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?The biggest objection has been that smart meters enable more subtle variations in charges than the old peak and off peak rates controlled by a simple timeswitch. I?m not sure that?s necessarily a bad thing but there?s no sign of it happening yet. If and when it does you can be sure that we will be persuaded to change by punitive rates for a dull meter.
>>
>> Peter Neill
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>>
>>> On 13 Jul 2023, at 11:19, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.
>>>
>>> Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!
>>>
>>> Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get readings.
>>>
>>> Advice welcome.
>>>
>>> John V
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
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> 
> 

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London, SW


From doug at puddifoot.me  Thu Jul 13 08:22:55 2023
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:22:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <FDC6666255594BC492C545629892133B@NewOffice>

Our Smart Meter certainly helped us economise last winter. On cold days 
heating was costing up to ?11, so we managed the temperatures and times and 
cut that down a bit. Also I have a phone App from Loop which can display my 
yearly, monthly, daily, hourly usage. They ran a trial last winter to reduce 
peak UK consumption. You were notified of peak periods, and they kept a 
record of your reduced usage. At the end I got an ?11 Amazon voucher. Also 
at the moment British gas are running half price electricity between 11AM 
and 4PM Sundays. Both need a Smart Meter. So they can save you a little if 
you want them to, and I have never found a disadvantage.
However, beware of British Gas. Our meter was upgraded to a SMETS2 a year 
ago when we changed supplier to BG, but they still asked for readings. After 
a while I discovered that they were getting gas but not electric readings. 
There followed many  many calls, and many many excuses. After a year I made 
an official complaint. Their reply was that yes they were aware of a 
problem, and no, they were not going to do anything about it. This despite 
them being signed up to the Smart Meter Code of Practice which means that 
should solve problems like that. That is now with the Ombudsman, and an 
investigation is starting. Then at the beginning of the month the Loop App 
and my energy display stopped getting my data simultaneously. At the same 
time BG became uncontactable. Phone call were dropped after ten seconds, 
online chat never connected, emails dropped into a black hole. I did make 
one contact via Twitter, but they just sent a link to the online chat. I 
think British gas have the worst customer service I have ever come across.
By the way, there is a useful site to check if your meter is actually 
 ?Smart?
https://smartmetercheck.citizensadvice.org.uk/

Doug Puddifoot

From: crew13 via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 11:17 AM
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters

Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.

Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and 
stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!

Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get 
readings.

Advice welcome.

John V
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jul 13 09:51:20 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <BFE7ABC1-73DF-4D2D-AB26-DC7B92119F7B@zero51.force9.co.uk>
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On 13 Jul 2023, at 12:34, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?At the moment I can enter the readings into an Excel sheet and know how much energy I have used in three months, or one month, whatever. I do not need to know that I spent ?4.73 yesterday. What would I do? turn the heating down 1 degree? If I had done that every time some politician/newspaper/BBC had told me to in the last 55 years I would be getting very close to absolute zero.

Just like Peter, I have a simple spreadsheet which logs the meter readings I submit ( no smart meter here ).  My heating is oil fired, including hot water, so electricity is only used for cooking, lighting and various appliances. Wherever practical, we have opted for energy efficient appliances. My electricity consumption is surprisingly constant and therefore predictable.  It doesn?t even vary much throughout the seasons. It seemed odd to me that my spreadsheet could predict meter readings remarkably accurately, while the estimated readings which my electricity supplier used to provide were hopelessly wide of the mark. Not consistently high or low, just rather random.

Alan

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jul 14 05:14:19 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:14:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <355A9DD4-F4A2-4555-A2CB-D7E5C0A56B48@me.com>
References: <BFE7ABC1-73DF-4D2D-AB26-DC7B92119F7B@zero51.force9.co.uk>
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I do have a Smart electric meter, which seems to work OK, but I do not 
want a Smart Gas one.
Why?
Because my neighbour in the flat below me had a new gas meter. As the 
gas main extends upwards to serve my flat,
some wrenching about of the pipework caused a gas leak in my flat.
British Gas were on the spot v. quickly, muttering darkly about them 
having to follow up the sub-contractors,
to put right what they manage to screw up!
My service contract for the gas boiler means that the joints of the main 
feed are checked with their 'sniffer'.

BG have always been good, here, but my original gas cooker was condemned 
as the grill was issuing
to much CO. That cost me ?50 to have the kitchen supply disconnected and 
capped off.

One gets 'owt' for 'nowt' these days!

Pat H

On 13/07/2023 15:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> On 13 Jul 2023, at 12:34, Peter Fox via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>> ?At the moment I can enter the readings into an Excel sheet and know how much energy I have used in three months, or one month, whatever. I do not need to know that I spent ?4.73 yesterday. What would I do? turn the heating down 1 degree? If I had done that every time some politician/newspaper/BBC had told me to in the last 55 years I would be getting very close to absolute zero.
> Just like Peter, I have a simple spreadsheet which logs the meter readings I submit ( no smart meter here ).  My heating is oil fired, including hot water, so electricity is only used for cooking, lighting and various appliances. Wherever practical, we have opted for energy efficient appliances. My electricity consumption is surprisingly constant and therefore predictable.  It doesn?t even vary much throughout the seasons. It seemed odd to me that my spreadsheet could predict meter readings remarkably accurately, while the estimated readings which my electricity supplier used to provide were hopelessly wide of the mark. Not consistently high or low, just rather random.
>
> Alan
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 14 08:02:08 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:02:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <7CFFAF19-9902-4254-B9F5-5A2A66BF4859@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <afaa4e8b-65c2-13d2-519e-72a1baa3174a@gmail.com>

Quite. My electric meter was easy to read, at the top of the cellar 
stairs. The gas one buried deep in the cellar and a PITA to read. And as 
we age, such things annoy far more.

I'm very happy with my smart meters which also include water. And I'm 
not one who goes for new technology just to be in fashion.

On 13/07/2023 11:17, crew13 via Tech1 wrote:
> Being pressured by my energy supplier (Ovo) to have one.
> 
> Now that the kerfuffle over 1st and 2nd generation seems to have gone and stories in the press about dodgy installation are les frequent!
> 
> Is it time to put an end to scrabbling about under the stairs to get readings.
> 
> Advice welcome.
> 
> John V

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From waresound at msn.com  Sun Jul 16 13:23:31 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 18:23:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jane Birkin
Message-ID: <AS8P191MB1606B75D9B0F3181AEAE30F7A73AA@AS8P191MB1606.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

So sorry to see that Jane Birkin has died. And I?m not ashamed to admit that I think I was actually in love with her, back in the day. Not only that, but even now I have ?Je t?aime? in my iPad for those moments when I feel the need to serenade my lovely wife, Judi.
Sad innit?
N.
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jul 17 03:50:37 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 09:50:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <a07dc676-0604-f75c-b5ec-c6a5f8bcc133@amps.net>
References: <BFE7ABC1-73DF-4D2D-AB26-DC7B92119F7B@zero51.force9.co.uk><355A9DD4-F4A2-4555-A2CB-D7E5C0A56B48@me.com>
	<a07dc676-0604-f75c-b5ec-c6a5f8bcc133@amps.net>
Message-ID: <A375013D103A49B99F303B394201A032@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I think the point you?re making in that last sentence Pat needs ?gets? to be substituted by ?doesn?t get?. Refer original Yorkshire adage ? if tha duz owt for nowt, allus do it fer thissen? (part of the Tyke?s motto).

Apologies for being a native of God?s own County!

Dave Newbitt

From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 11:14 AM
To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Smart Meters

I do have a Smart electric meter, which seems to work OK, but I do not want a Smart Gas one.
Why?
Because my neighbour in the flat below me had a new gas meter. As the gas main extends upwards to serve my flat,
some wrenching about of the pipework caused a gas leak in my flat.
British Gas were on the spot v. quickly, muttering darkly about them having to follow up the sub-contractors,
to put right what they manage to screw up!
My service contract for the gas boiler means that the joints of the main feed are checked with their 'sniffer'.

BG have always been good, here, but my original gas cooker was condemned as the grill was issuing
to much CO. That cost me ?50 to have the kitchen supply disconnected and capped off.

One gets 'owt' for 'nowt' these days!

Pat H


On 13/07/2023 15:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

On 13 Jul 2023, at 12:34, Peter Fox via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
?At the moment I can enter the readings into an Excel sheet and know how much energy I have used in three months, or one month, whatever. I do not need to know that I spent ?4.73 yesterday. What would I do? turn the heating down 1 degree? If I had done that every time some politician/newspaper/BBC had told me to in the last 55 years I would be getting very close to absolute zero.
Just like Peter, I have a simple spreadsheet which logs the meter readings I submit ( no smart meter here ).  My heating is oil fired, including hot water, so electricity is only used for cooking, lighting and various appliances. Wherever practical, we have opted for energy efficient appliances. My electricity consumption is surprisingly constant and therefore predictable.  It doesn?t even vary much throughout the seasons. It seemed odd to me that my spreadsheet could predict meter readings remarkably accurately, while the estimated readings which my electricity supplier used to provide were hopelessly wide of the mark. Not consistently high or low, just rather random.

Alan


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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Wed Jul 19 07:56:48 2023
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 13:56:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised picture (1)
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From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:01:14 +0100
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From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:03:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised (3)
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From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:06:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised (4)
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jul 24 16:46:05 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 22:46:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News HD
Message-ID: <F076ECAD-D047-4105-88B1-EABC0B38D18B@mac.com>

I am intrigued as to why BBC London local news is now able to follow the national bulletin on BBC1 HD off-air, but not via iPlayer - I thought I?d come to a logical reason, but now I think my logic has disappeared up my own fundament!

Can one of our knowledgeable individuals elucidate, please ?

Mike G

From simoncmorris at mac.com  Wed Jul 26 08:20:36 2023
From: simoncmorris at mac.com (Simon Morris)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:20:36 +0300
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News HD
In-Reply-To: <F076ECAD-D047-4105-88B1-EABC0B38D18B@mac.com>
References: <F076ECAD-D047-4105-88B1-EABC0B38D18B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A3DF58C-F12C-4923-8CCB-C188BFB31099@mac.com>

Hi Mike

My sources inside the BBC say the necessary work hasn?t been done for iPlayer to have all the region programme feeds in HD. They need to upgrade all their region encoders. 
The work to get the regions in HD on Freeview and Freesat was only finished at Easter so I think its next on the list.

Hope that helps



Simon

> On 25 Jul 2023, at 00:46, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I am intrigued as to why BBC London local news is now able to follow the national bulletin on BBC1 HD off-air, but not via iPlayer - I thought I?d come to a logical reason, but now I think my logic has disappeared up my own fundament!
> 
> Can one of our knowledgeable individuals elucidate, please ?
> 
> Mike G
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jul 26 08:52:25 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 14:52:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  BBC News HD
References: <4A3DF58C-F12C-4923-8CCB-C188BFB31099@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C642221F-F734-4F47-B7F1-8914EF1764C6@mac.com>

Thanks Simon,

I won?t pretend to understand the problem, but I?m sure that Aunty?s best brains are dedicated to the solution!

Cynical? Me? Well perhaps just a tad!

Mike G

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Simon Morris <simoncmorris at mac.com>
> Date: 26 July 2023 at 14:20:52 BST
> To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>
> Cc: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News HD
> 
> ?Hi Mike
> 
> My sources inside the BBC say the necessary work hasn?t been done for iPlayer to have all the region programme feeds in HD. They need to upgrade all their region encoders. 
> The work to get the regions in HD on Freeview and Freesat was only finished at Easter so I think its next on the list.
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> 
> 
> Simon
> 
>> On 25 Jul 2023, at 00:46, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I am intrigued as to why BBC London local news is now able to follow the national bulletin on BBC1 HD off-air, but not via iPlayer - I thought I?d come to a logical reason, but now I think my logic has disappeared up my own fundament!
>> 
>> Can one of our knowledgeable individuals elucidate, please ?
>> 
>> Mike G
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From tuckergarth at mac.com  Wed Jul 26 10:09:05 2023
From: tuckergarth at mac.com (garthtucker)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:09:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 3 Photos
Message-ID: <31DB9288-704D-497C-AD10-DD0334167A23@mac.com>

Somewhat after the event, that?s me these days. But three aspects of our last Disorganised (thanks Geoff).

Garth


			





		
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Wed Jul 26 10:54:43 2023
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:54:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Earth Loops
Message-ID: <zlcuRKSfG-sjJhzMXNnbKhQ61IURJgFmxtXWQb3NrVvFT4VgYDoE5uoK5IGoTwSR1_gPF50-Omjqiip7MzDocVpRKT9KB0KFxzbCQPPc_-I=@protonmail.com>

I've just had to replace my overhead electrical connection from the house to the outbuildings as the old mains style connection - two separate wires, live and neutral - had lost some of their exterior insulation, leaving portions of bare wire. Since I was having a new boiler fitted, which needed a qualified electrician to do it's connections and sign it off, I asked the plumber if the man could connect the cable to the consumer units at each end whilst he was here, and the plumber seemed to think he could.

Well, on the day, he said he didn't have the time, due to pressure of work, but he'd take a quick look to see what it involved and I could arrange for him to come back at a later date. I told him about the previous connection being two wires, and said he probably knew not to connect the earth at either end, since the two buildings had separate earths and of course it would create an earth loop. But no, he claimed that that was not applicable to domestic premises, and when I asked why on earth not (feeble attempt at humour) he told be that domestic appliances weren't susceptible to interference.

Now call me old-fashioned, but to me, an earth loop is an earth loop no matter what the premises are like, and these two separate earths are on more than 25 yards apart, so in wet soil (pouring here now) would create a pretty excellent loop. Whilst I think this would still cause a hum on any hi-fi or radio equipment, I also wonder if it would affect any other RF such as wi-fi, mobiles, etc.

Thus, I would be grateful for your thoughts on the matter, as I doubt I'll employ him to make the connections after all.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email.
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From brian at summershome.co.uk  Fri Jul 28 03:42:06 2023
From: brian at summershome.co.uk (Brian Summers)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 09:42:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] MCR21 Good News
Message-ID: <000401d9c12f$63da39d0$2b8ead70$@summershome.co.uk>

Hello all

If you are in the area on the 12th Aug, you would be welcome to come and
have a look at our restoration work on ex BBC MCR21, press release below. 

News snip:- Been working on the sound mixer today, main 16v PSU now repaired
and working,  also the main monitoring pushbuttons fixed ( select main,
group, PA etc.) these fought every inch of the way, but now perfect!  Hope
to at least get some sound through it for the show! 

 

MCR21 Good News

We have arranged for our BBC Outside Broadcast van to be out on display in
Camberley Town centre on the 12th Aug. This is part of the annual car show,
and we will be located just off Park Street near the Bear Pub. 

On show will be our original Pye Mk6 camera, the interpretation display
boards and a gazebo with video displays showing OB's in action. Inside we
will be showing the progress made in the restoration and explaining where
the OB crew sat and what their jobs were. 

This is a well-attended show and we are pleased to have a part in it. It
runs from 10 to 4pm and it's free! A great day out for the family. See
<https://www.collectivelycamberley.co.uk/Car-Show/>
https://www.collectivelycamberley.co.uk/Car-Show/ 

Brian Summers for the BTTT  <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk> brian at mcr21.org.uk
See you there!

 

 

Best Regards 

 

Brian Summers 
Broadcast Television Technology Trust
Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333

Camberley, England. 
  
Contact Email  <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk> brian at mcr21.org.uk 
Find out more  <http://www.mcr21.org.uk/> www.mcr21.org.uk |
<http://www.bttt.org.uk/> www.bttt.org.uk 
Support us         <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/donate/> Make a
Donation |  <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/volunteer/> Become a Volunteer
Phone (+44) 01276677879 

   

 

 

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 16:08:25 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 22:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Group shot from the Disorganised on 18th July
Message-ID: <003601d9c197$a61e5b10$f25b1130$@gmail.com>

Dear All,

Here at last is a photo taken by a passing stranger of those who came to the
Disorganised for Bernie on 18th July at the Hornimans, London Bridge.

There were sixteen of us in all, including Sara Newman who had to go before
this was taken.

Pictured from the left we have:

Phil Major (Ken's son), Geoff Hawkes, Caroline O'Neill, Neill Dormand, John
Farr, Alan Gomery, Andrew Dixon, Les Thorne, Mike Minchin, Doug Coldwell

(front row): Peter Hider, Margot Hayho, Dudley Darby, Garth Tucker, Roy
Bailey

Dudley sent a selection of pictures to Bernie which I'm sure were
appreciated.

Hope to include you next time, 

Geoff Hawkes

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 16:17:44 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 22:17:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Group shot from the Disorganised on 18th July
Message-ID: <004f01d9c198$f3a42170$daec6450$@gmail.com>

Dear All,

Here at last is a photo taken by a passing stranger of those who came to the
Disorganised for Bernie on 18th July at the Hornimans, London Bridge.

There were sixteen of us in all, including Sara Newman who had to go before
this was taken.

Pictured from the left we have:

Phil Major (Ken's son), Geoff Hawkes, Caroline O'Neill, Neill Dormand, John
Farr, Alan Gomery, Andrew Dixon, Les Thorne, Mike Minchin, Doug Coldwell

(front row): Peter Hider, Margot Hayho, Dudley Darby, Garth Tucker, Roy
Bailey

Dudley sent a selection of pictures to Bernie which I'm sure were
appreciated.

Hope to include you next time, 

Geoff Hawkes

 

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 17:11:59 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 23:11:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Group shot from the Disorganised on 18th July
References: <005e01d9c199$2dab0500$89010f00$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CF308A3C-E43E-4B72-B62B-98F1309D73B3@gmail.com>

I?m sending this again in the hope that it will get through this time?

> Date: 28 July 2023 at 22:17:00 BST
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Group shot from the Disorganised on 18th July
> 
> ?
> Dear All,
> Here at last is a photo taken by a passing stranger of those who came to the Disorganised for Bernie on 18th July at the Hornimans, London Bridge.
> There were sixteen of us in all, including Sara Newman who had to go before this was taken.
> Pictured from the left we have:
> Phil Major (Ken?s son), Geoff Hawkes, Caroline O?Neill, Neill Dormand, John Farr, Alan Gomery, Andrew Dixon, Les Thorne, Mike Minchin, Doug Coldwell
> (front row): Peter Hider, Margot Hayho, Dudley Darby, Garth Tucker, Roy Bailey
> Dudley sent a selection of pictures to Bernie which I?m sure were appreciated.
> Hope to include you next time,
> Geoff Hawkes
>  
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jul 29 04:19:53 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 10:19:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC bashing.
Message-ID: <2342AD9CDC684E98B0F339B05319EE63@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>



This sentence from yesterday?s Daily Mail ?Comment? is referring to the Prime Minister?s position re The Mali corruption story. 

?His impressively robust response to the Mail?s expos? of corrupt immigration lawyers (a story so significant even the BBC eventually felt obliged to cover it) was a textbook example.?

Despite admitted shortcomings I hardly think the BBC?s record merits this kind of cheap jibe. The regularity with which this form of ?news? appears does have all the characteristics of an assassination campaign. I hope very much the organisation survives, though recent news channel structural changes look to be less than helpful in this regard.



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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Jul 29 12:15:41 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 18:15:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Earth Loops
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'S'not how earth loops work, sir.

Most properties nowadays pick up a ground connection in all sorts of 
ways, with multiple "earth" points. Leccy boards do earthing in various 
different ways, but the only important point is that a low impedance to 
ground (and ultimately, the local neutral distribution point) exists. 
This is purely for safety purposes - a provision for a large fault 
current to flow to ground/distribution neutral so that it pops a fuse or 
a breaker.

For you to get a hum on audio equipment you have to have a ground or 
shield current flowing through a piece of equipment, and (unfortunately) 
being added to your audio. No amount of circulating earth current out in 
the garden is going to be able to do that if you have a decently 
designed system.

This month's Sound on Sound has a splendid article by our Hugh Robjohns? 
that tells you everything you need to know - about connecting balanced 
and unbalanced systems, avoiding (or correcting) the infamous pin 1 
problem, and connecting all your gear to the mains in such a way that 
you don't create in-house loops.

The concept of a "clean" earth was debunked a long time ago, and most of 
the difficulties in old-fashioned CARs, and the fuss about earthing that 
one remembers on jackfields, was essentially down to poor equipment 
design that allowed shield currents to mingle with amplifier ground 
rails - something that shouldn't happen, and that it took a long time 
for designers to recognise. The solution is actually pretty trivial, but 
has only properly discussed in 1995 by the great Neil Muncy, and later 
by others, including Bill Whitlock of Jensen transformers.

No amount of noise and hum outside your house is going to generate a hum 
in your sound equipment.... unless you have some poorly designed gear 
that isn't wisely connected.

Chris Woolf



On 26/07/2023 16:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> ....
>
> Now call me old-fashioned, but to me, an earth loop is an earth loop 
> no matter what the premises are like, and these two separate earths 
> are on more than 25 yards apart, so in wet soil (pouring here now) 
> would create a pretty excellent loop. Whilst I think this would still 
> cause a hum on any hi-fi or radio equipment, I also wonder if it would 
> affect any other RF such as wi-fi, mobiles, etc.
>
> Thus, I would be grateful for your thoughts on the matter, as I doubt 
> I'll employ him to make the connections after all.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Jul 30 04:36:25 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 10:36:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Earth Loops
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[Second attempt - the first one never showed on the list]

On 26/07/2023 16:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Now call me old-fashioned, but to me, an earth loop is an earth loop 
> no matter what the premises are like, and these two separate earths 
> are on more than 25 yards apart, so in wet soil (pouring here now) 
> would create a pretty excellent loop. Whilst I think this would still 
> cause a hum on any hi-fi or radio equipment, I also wonder if it would 
> affect any other RF such as wi-fi, mobiles, etc.
>
> Thus, I would be grateful for your thoughts on the matter, as I doubt 
> I'll employ him to make the connections after all.
>
> T
>

'S'not how earth loops work, sir.

Most properties nowadays pick up a ground connection in all sorts of 
ways, with multiple "earth" points. Leccy boards do earthing in various 
different ways, but the only important point is that a low impedance to 
ground (and ultimately, the local neutral distribution point) exists. 
This is purely for safety purposes - a provision for a large fault 
current to flow to ground/distribution neutral so that it pops a fuse or 
a breaker.

For you to get a hum on audio equipment you have to have a ground or 
shield current flowing through a piece of equipment, and (unfortunately) 
being added to your audio. No amount of circulating earth current out in 
the garden is going to be able to do that if you have a decently 
designed system.

This month's Sound on Sound has a splendid article by our Hugh Robjohns? 
that tells you everything you need to know - about connecting balanced 
and unbalanced systems, avoiding (or correcting) the infamous pin 1 
problem, and connecting all your gear to the mains in such a way that 
you don't create in-house loops.

The concept of a "clean" earth was debunked a long time ago, and most of 
the difficulties in old-fashioned CARs, and the fuss about earthing that 
one remembers on jackfields, was essentially down to poor equipment 
design that allowed shield currents to mingle with amplifier ground 
rails - something that shouldn't happen, and that it took a long time 
for designers to recognise. The solution is actually pretty trivial, but 
has only properly discussed in 1995 by the great Neil Muncy, and later 
by others, including Bill Whitlock of Jensen transformers.

No amount of noise and hum outside your house is going to generate a hum 
in your sound equipment.... unless you have some poorly designed gear 
that isn't wisely connected.

Chris Woolf
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Jul 30 08:13:46 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 14:13:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Test
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Test - just that.

Chris W




From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 08:35:06 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 14:35:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Zoom audio
Message-ID: <1bda5a94-0271-5486-d095-cb7738bd7e29@gmail.com>

Hi Chaps,
           Once a month my family - scattered over the UK - have a Zoom 
meeting. Just a chat and a quiz for the kids. I host it using a paid for 
Zoom account - to give the time needed in one go.

For my comfort, I do it from my living room where I have a PC mainly 
used as a music server. So I get the pictures and sound from the normal 
TV and audio system. My camera on a lazy arm. My mic end consists of a 
Tram TR 250 fed via a mixer with three band EQ. And heavily tweeked. 
Without the EQ it sounds decidedly woolly compared to the Zoom norm - a 
mic in a phone or laptop.

I also have a fairly decent USB tie-clip mic which sounds much the same 
as the TR250 flat.

What I'd like is free or low cost software to EQ the USB mic for Zoom.
Or other suggestions. I've looked for a single channel USB EQ unit which 
would take up less room that the mixer, but without success. And don't 
want to spend much anyway.
-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 31 03:48:29 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:48:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time Signal
Message-ID: <d48a5c0e-7079-954f-e0b0-84abd8880e46@amps.net>

Has anyone noticed that the timekeeping of BBC Sounds programmes seems 
to be purely arbitrary?

At 9:00 this morning Radio 4 on BBC Sounds broadcast the pips four 
minutes late compared to computer clocks via internet.

Is this another example of uncaring presentation?

Pat H
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jul 31 04:41:57 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 10:41:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OB trucks on digital mapping
Message-ID: <E89B705E-462E-4799-B482-7C6B332EEBF0@me.com>

Some of you may recall that Google Earth used to show a CTV OB unit rigged and ready to work in the tech compound at Aston Villa FC.  The imagery has now been updated, the OB has finally derigged and returned to base.

However I noticed last night that Apple Maps with their ?Look Around? Feature have captured a Telegenic scanner and some BBC Radio OB Trucks working outside the Royal Albert Hall.

I don?t know how frequently that imagery is updated or how recently it was taken. It might too vanish before long.

Has anybody spotted other OB units working at any other venues on Google Streetview or Apple Maps Look Around? 

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