From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jan  1 04:51:52 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 10:51:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Andre Rieu Concert New Year's Eve
Message-ID: <d47658eb-c733-7848-48a3-8a3427d01f83@amps.net>

Happy New Year to All!

Hopefully this is a cheerful posting....

Sky Arts Channel (Freeview 11), last night broadcast a terrific concert 
by Andre Rieu, the Dutch violinist, and his orchestra,
from his home town of Maastricht, 'Happy Days Are Here Again'
The audience filled the town square and seemed to have a wonderful 
party, and very well behaved.
Pure enjoyment!

A mixture of the Last Night of the Proms and the New Year's Day Concert 
from Vienna.

 From clips of an earlier show, the man has his own studio, which seems 
extremely well equipped.
I wondered, from a technical point view if all the cameras were iso'd 
and mikes multitracked, everything being edited together later.
I should be interested in Barry Payne's take on it.

Worth a look, it's repeated on Wed 4th, 06:00 - 09:00 bit early, so set 
the recorder!

All best wishes

Pat
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 05:06:39 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 11:06:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Jools=E2=80=99_Hootenanny?=
In-Reply-To: <440C4473-1F21-484C-BE83-B42C9F0316EA@me.com>
References: <440C4473-1F21-484C-BE83-B42C9F0316EA@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAFKgnyxOAMHDvAd9Su+=TfLaKSgy6ahEKJATqF-j_0R0ZZfnZQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's recorded so far in advance these days it might have been the week
of the Queen's funeral.



On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 at 00:54, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I missed the start of the show, which possibly had an explanation, but does anybody know why all the artists on the show are wearing black?
>
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sun Jan  1 05:08:59 2023
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 11:08:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Twaddle
In-Reply-To: <2497A0F7-4D55-4BE3-ADBE-62293ABEDBBE@mac.com>
References: <3C5F3D7E-5476-4BC6-BD97-7299A552EF5B@sky.com>
	<2497A0F7-4D55-4BE3-ADBE-62293ABEDBBE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B85D551E-6BEA-4810-BB9D-E57AA074FB93@btinternet.com>

And Mike, as you?ll recall, we included metal coat hangers in our kit we took all around the world to enhance major sporting events!
Barry.



On 31 Dec 2022, at 23:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Please don?t pay attention to Garth! What we need is even more coat hangers, or do I mean cliff hangers? Barry?s contribution was quite educational - who knew that coat hangers are an acknowledged problem? When I mentioned kremastraphobia to my teenage grandchildren, two of them agreed that coat hangers can be quite intimidating, apparently having a life of their own when left alone in a bag!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2022, at 18:03, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?That reminds me of a phrase in The Fast Show?.well it?s a paraphrase of a punch  line in the show.
>> ? Do my shoulders look big in this jacket??
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 31 Dec 2022, at 17:58, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Ah! Just coaching you to run the asylum!
>>> 
>>> But it's a good idea to remove the hanger before putting on your coat!
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> On 31/12/2022 16:16, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Please, oh please, do not fill my emails with discussions about coat hangers. It takes me to the edge of sanity.
>>>> 
>>>> Garth
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Jan  1 05:22:45 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 11:22:45 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Twaddle
In-Reply-To: <B85D551E-6BEA-4810-BB9D-E57AA074FB93@btinternet.com>
References: <3C5F3D7E-5476-4BC6-BD97-7299A552EF5B@sky.com>	<2497A0F7-4D55-4BE3-ADBE-62293ABEDBBE@mac.com>
	<B85D551E-6BEA-4810-BB9D-E57AA074FB93@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <002401d91dd3$5f8e8160$1eab8420$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

And claimed the condoms were to water proof the microphones???

 

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>  

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk/> 

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IMDB;  <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1
Sent: 01 January 2023 11:09
To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Twaddle

 

And Mike, as you?ll recall, we included metal coat hangers in our kit we took all around the world to enhance major sporting events!

Barry.

 

 

On 31 Dec 2022, at 23:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:





Please don?t pay attention to Garth! What we need is even more coat hangers, or do I mean cliff hangers? Barry?s contribution was quite educational - who knew that coat hangers are an acknowledged problem? When I mentioned kremastraphobia to my teenage grandchildren, two of them agreed that coat hangers can be quite intimidating, apparently having a life of their own when left alone in a bag!

 

Mike G





On 31 Dec 2022, at 18:03, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?That reminds me of a phrase in The Fast Show?.well it?s a paraphrase of a punch  line in the show.

? Do my shoulders look big in this jacket??

Sent from my iPad





On 31 Dec 2022, at 17:58, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? 

Ah! Just coaching you to run the asylum!

But it's a good idea to remove the hanger before putting on your coat!

Pat

On 31/12/2022 16:16, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote:

Please, oh please, do not fill my emails with discussions about coat hangers. It takes me to the edge of sanity.
 
Garth

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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Jan  1 05:26:11 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 11:26:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Andre Rieu Concert New Year's Eve
In-Reply-To: <d47658eb-c733-7848-48a3-8a3427d01f83@amps.net>
References: <d47658eb-c733-7848-48a3-8a3427d01f83@amps.net>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB16049A77E284A7E5C21356EFA7F69@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Have a listen to The Highland Cathedral on Youtube, Pat. Maastricht, 2018. Wind the wick up on your BNS480?s and marvel at arguably the best live concert sound balance you?ll ever hear. Mic?d up to the eyeballs, and almost certainly remixed later. Just fabulous!
Also, Gheorghie Zamfir - The Lonely Shepherd from Romania the year before.

(It?s Andy Payne, by the way, not Barry)
HNY,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 1 Jan 2023, at 10:52, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Happy New Year to All!

Hopefully this is a cheerful posting....

Sky Arts Channel (Freeview 11), last night broadcast a terrific concert by Andre Rieu, the Dutch violinist, and his orchestra,
from his home town of Maastricht, 'Happy Days Are Here Again'
The audience filled the town square and seemed to have a wonderful party, and very well behaved.
Pure enjoyment!

A mixture of the Last Night of the Proms and the New Year's Day Concert from Vienna.

From clips of an earlier show, the man has his own studio, which seems extremely well equipped.
I wondered, from a technical point view if all the cameras were iso'd and mikes multitracked, everything being edited together later.
I should be interested in Barry Payne's take on it.

Worth a look, it's repeated on Wed 4th, 06:00 - 09:00 bit early, so set the recorder!

All best wishes

Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jan  1 06:11:10 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 12:11:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Andre Rieu Concert New Year's Eve
In-Reply-To: <012f01d91dd6$5ccbb080$16631180$@gmail.com>
References: <d47658eb-c733-7848-48a3-8a3427d01f83@amps.net>
	<012f01d91dd6$5ccbb080$16631180$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23cab892-6591-f19d-ce20-04e88b347634@amps.net>

I thoroughly enjoy both, but each to his own.

Today's Vienna concert had a superb intermission film - very clever and 
inventive camerawork and direction.

The repeat tonight on BBC 4 is flagged as running 30 mins shorter, so 
maybe that film is cut.

Maybe available complete via i-Player.

Pat

On 01/01/2023 11:44, ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have never enjoyed Andre Rieu.
>
> Much better concert is the annual concert from Vienna broadcast on BBC
>
> Very dear to my heart as I worked on Beethoven?s Ninth Symphony from 
> the StatsConcerthalle which is the next concert hall along the 
> corridor, with Leonard Bernstein conducting. Fantastic experience
>
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Pat Heigham 
> via Tech1
> *Sent:* 01 January 2023 10:52
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Andre Rieu Concert New Year's Eve
>
> Happy New Year to All!
>
> Hopefully this is a cheerful posting....
>
> Sky Arts Channel (Freeview 11), last night broadcast a terrific 
> concert by Andre Rieu, the Dutch violinist, and his orchestra,
> from his home town of Maastricht, 'Happy Days Are Here Again'
> The audience filled the town square and seemed to have a wonderful 
> party, and very well behaved.
> Pure enjoyment!
>
> A mixture of the Last Night of the Proms and the New Year's Day 
> Concert from Vienna.
>
> From clips of an earlier show, the man has his own studio, which seems 
> extremely well equipped.
> I wondered, from a technical point view if all the cameras were iso'd 
> and mikes multitracked, everything being edited together later.
> I should be interested in Barry Payne's take on it.
>
> Worth a look, it's repeated on Wed 4th, 06:00 - 09:00 bit early, so 
> set the recorder!
>
> All best wishes
>
> Pat
>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Jan  1 06:32:27 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2023 12:32:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Andre Rieu Concert New Year's Eve
In-Reply-To: <23cab892-6591-f19d-ce20-04e88b347634@amps.net>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jan  2 10:29:24 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 16:29:24 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
Message-ID: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com ascribed to Adrian Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.

Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put them in good company.

The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it? 

If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!

Dave Newbitt.  

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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jan  2 10:50:33 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 16:50:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Twaddle
In-Reply-To: <002401d91dd3$5f8e8160$1eab8420$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <002401d91dd3$5f8e8160$1eab8420$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 10:57:40 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 16:57:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <4f3d7f63-c0dc-e611-03a9-003492368314@gmail.com>

There's a TV add running at the moment about that. But not 'Hyun-day' 
Sounds more like Hindi.

On 02/01/2023 16:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com ascribed to Adrian 
> Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the 
> suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.
> Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is 
> obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m 
> sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in 
> the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. 
> The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, 
> one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put 
> them in good company.
> The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate 
> us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation 
> always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take 
> exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist 
> accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it?
> If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash 
> course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!
> Dave Newbitt.
>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 10:59:15 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 16:59:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Twaddle
In-Reply-To: <C35643EC-F8C2-41FA-A73F-2F9B8592A454@mac.com>
References: <002401d91dd3$5f8e8160$1eab8420$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<C35643EC-F8C2-41FA-A73F-2F9B8592A454@mac.com>
Message-ID: <406f14a4-97e3-c344-d4ee-5f8a3677caaa@gmail.com>

Very useful for fishing cables under floors and through walls too.

On 02/01/2023 16:50, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> And I don?t remember any coat hangers misbehaving in our overseas 
> control rooms!
>
> In the days when breakdowns were more frequent along with a tool kit 
> and spare parts, i always carried a coat hanger or two - very good if 
> the exhaust started falling off.
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 1 Jan 2023, at 11:22, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> And claimed the condoms were to water proof the microphones???
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>> 07802 243979
>>
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 
>> <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746>
>>
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ 
>> <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/>
>>
>> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Barry 
>> Bonner via Tech1
>> *Sent:* 01 January 2023 11:09
>> *To:* Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>
>> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Twaddle
>>
>> And Mike, as you?ll recall, we included metal coat hangers in our kit 
>> we took all around the world to enhance major sporting events!
>>
>> /Barry./
>>
>> On 31 Dec 2022, at 23:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>     Please don?t pay attention to Garth! What we need is even more
>>     coat hangers, or do I mean cliff hangers? Barry?s contribution
>>     was quite educational - who knew that coat hangers are an
>>     acknowledged problem? When I mentioned kremastraphobia to my
>>     teenage grandchildren, two of them agreed that coat hangers can
>>     be quite intimidating, apparently having a life of their own when
>>     left alone in a bag!
>>
>>     Mike G
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 31 Dec 2022, at 18:03, B Wilkinson via Tech1
>>         <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>         ?That reminds me of a phrase in The Fast Show?.well it?s a
>>         paraphrase of a punch ?line in the show.
>>
>>         ? Do my shoulders look big in this jacket??
>>
>>         Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>             On 31 Dec 2022, at 17:58, Pat Heigham via Tech1
>>             <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>             ?
>>
>>             Ah! Just coaching you to run the asylum!
>>
>>             But it's a good idea to remove the hanger _before_
>>             putting on your coat!
>>
>>             Pat
>>
>>             On 31/12/2022 16:16, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>                 Please, oh please, do not fill my emails with discussions about coat hangers. It takes me to the edge of sanity.
>>
>>                 Garth
>>
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Jan  2 13:39:23 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 19:39:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <20843875-6B32-46F7-B893-24E76E2FF839@talktalk.net>

? Nesuls Milky Bar! As certain TV ads used to say (sing.)

Hugh

> On 2 Jan 2023, at 16:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com <https://uk.motor1.com/> ascribed to Adrian Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.
>  
> Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put them in good company.
>  
> The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it?
>  
> If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!
>  
> Dave Newbitt. 
>  
>  
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jan  2 14:59:50 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 20:59:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <20843875-6B32-46F7-B893-24E76E2FF839@talktalk.net>
References: <20843875-6B32-46F7-B893-24E76E2FF839@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <968D5995-686A-4FB8-B7DE-B994F73584AE@me.com>

Alternatively, Lidl embrace the British mispronunciation of their name.  In Germany it?s pronounced Leedul to rhyme with needle, but in the UK it?s usually pronounced to rhyme with fiddle and they make a feature of their special offers being found in the middle of Lidl.

Alan

> On 2 Jan 2023, at 19:39, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?? Nesuls Milky Bar! As certain TV ads used to say (sing.)
> 
> Hugh
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2023, at 16:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com ascribed to Adrian Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.
>>  
>> Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put them in good company.
>>  
>> The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it?
>>  
>> If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt. 
>>  
>>  
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Jan  2 15:12:28 2023
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 21:12:28 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <968D5995-686A-4FB8-B7DE-B994F73584AE@me.com>
References: <20843875-6B32-46F7-B893-24E76E2FF839@talktalk.net>
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You should worry! What about IKEA where everything is given a stupid name like the Kings Mall in Hammersmith is now run by them and called ?Livat?
On going into the arcade one has to say ?higi? or something similarly stoopid instead of Hello!
I guess people will continue to call it Kings Mall like we all talk about the ?Hammersmith Odeon?
Crazy!!

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 8:59 PM
To: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai

Alternatively, Lidl embrace the British mispronunciation of their name.  In Germany it?s pronounced Leedul to rhyme with needle, but in the UK it?s usually pronounced to rhyme with fiddle and they make a feature of their special offers being found in the middle of Lidl.

Alan


  On 2 Jan 2023, at 19:39, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ?? Nesuls Milky Bar! As certain TV ads used to say (sing.) 

  Hugh



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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Mon Jan  2 16:44:36 2023
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 22:44:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Coathanger power rails
Message-ID: <51FDDB8B-EBB8-41E0-BA75-05E268C6BF60@howell61.f9.co.uk>

I straightened out coathangers to use as conductor 'rails' for my under cupboard lights. The stiff wire tails were soldered to two magnets which held each disc in place. There are 10 discs, drawing a total of 12 Watts from a 12 Volt supply on top of the cupboard. Group the discs suit the  use of the worktop and don't waste light where it's not needed.


> On 2 Jan 2023, at 16:50, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> And I don?t remember any coat hangers misbehaving in our overseas control rooms! 
> 
> In the days when breakdowns were more frequent along with a tool kit and spare parts, i always carried a coat hanger or two - very good if the exhaust started falling off. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 1 Jan 2023, at 11:22, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> And claimed the condoms were to water proof the microphones???
>>  
>> Paul Thackray
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> 07802 243979
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>  
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1
>> Sent: 01 January 2023 11:09
>> To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>
>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Twaddle
>>  
>> And Mike, as you?ll recall, we included metal coat hangers in our kit we took all around the world to enhance major sporting events!
>> Barry.
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> On 31 Dec 2022, at 23:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Please don?t pay attention to Garth! What we need is even more coat hangers, or do I mean cliff hangers? Barry?s contribution was quite educational - who knew that coat hangers are an acknowledged problem? When I mentioned kremastraphobia to my teenage grandchildren, two of them agreed that coat hangers can be quite intimidating, apparently having a life of their own when left alone in a bag!
>>  
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Dec 2022, at 18:03, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?That reminds me of a phrase in The Fast Show?.well it?s a paraphrase of a punch  line in the show.
>> ? Do my shoulders look big in this jacket??
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Dec 2022, at 17:58, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? 
>> Ah! Just coaching you to run the asylum!
>> 
>> But it's a good idea to remove the hanger before putting on your coat!
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> On 31/12/2022 16:16, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote:
>> Please, oh please, do not fill my emails with discussions about coat hangers. It takes me to the edge of sanity.
>>  
>> Garth
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> To: John Howell <j at howell61.f9.co.uk>
> Subject: LED lamps 01
> 
> I straightened out coathangers to use as conductor 'rails' for my under cupboard lights. The stiff wire tails were soldered to two magnets which held each disc in place. There are 10 discs, drawing a total of 12 Watts from a 12 Volt supply on top of the cupboard. Group the discs suit the  use of the worktop. No LED failures in 8 Years !

> Naff picture attached.

Hibou.
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 03:22:06 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 09:22:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC 2 playout
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB0nEmFA9-hbAfu=CHkrv6LZ8JXCmZ7r9Gp1VK2DZ-4d0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
For every episode bar one of the festive versions - and first new year
episode - of "Only Connect", layout has crashed into the first notes of the
signature tune.
Any ideas?
Happy New Year, Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jan  3 04:35:18 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 10:35:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC 2 playout
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB0nEmFA9-hbAfu=CHkrv6LZ8JXCmZ7r9Gp1VK2DZ-4d0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0HHB0nEmFA9-hbAfu=CHkrv6LZ8JXCmZ7r9Gp1VK2DZ-4d0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b0b3c77-74c6-fce4-64d0-1662816884a1@amps.net>

I think it's all computer controlled, now. 'White Christmas' suffered 
the last notes of the end titles being unceremoniously chopped.

Nosubtlety? or decent careful presentation these days.

Pat


On 03/01/2023 09:22, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> For every episode bar one of the festive versions - and first new year 
> episode - of "Only Connect", layout has crashed into the first notes 
> of the signature tune.
> Any ideas?
> Happy New Year, Alec
>
> Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 06:50:33 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:50:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>

According to an ad I've just heard, it is pronounced 'Hinday'

On 02/01/2023 16:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com ascribed to Adrian 
> Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the 
> suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.
> Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is 
> obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m 
> sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in 
> the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. 
> The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, 
> one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put 
> them in good company.
> The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate 
> us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation 
> always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take 
> exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist 
> accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it?
> If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash 
> course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!
> Dave Newbitt.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jan  3 07:04:00 2023
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 13:04:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>

How about 'High-Un-Die'? - that's how I have always heard it pronounced! 
Cheers, Dave


From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jan  3 07:24:13 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 13:24:13 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>	<1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
	<639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <004501d91f76$abea47c0$03bed740$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

The ad agency have certainly achieved their goal...to make everyone discuss
it. Much cheaper than paying for advertising.

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 03 January 2023 13:04
To: Dave Plowman <plowmandave44 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai

How about 'High-Un-Die'? - that's how I have always heard it pronounced! 
Cheers, Dave

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Jan  3 07:25:35 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 13:25:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
	<639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <7D9A72A2-D72C-498A-98D4-D929E250C33C@icloud.com>

Sure that?s not Hugh-and-I?

> On 3 Jan 2023, at 13:04, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> How about 'High-Un-Die'? - that's how I have always heard it pronounced! Cheers, Dave
> 
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? 
Graeme Wall




From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 07:27:30 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 13:27:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
	<639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <f26b4ed4-b9ad-462e-35ed-1c65ee227fa8@gmail.com>

You need to see the TV ads -? they are quite amusing first time round.

It has certainly done what it set out to do - get people talking about it.

On 03/01/2023 13:04, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> How about 'High-Un-Die'? - that's how I have always heard it 
> pronounced! Cheers, Dave
>


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jan  3 07:34:42 2023
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 13:34:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <7D9A72A2-D72C-498A-98D4-D929E250C33C@icloud.com>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
	<639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
	<7D9A72A2-D72C-498A-98D4-D929E250C33C@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <7f095045-e8a5-2a3c-ca5c-5ff3c7333329@btinternet.com>

I worked on that! Cheers, Dave


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jan  3 07:41:14 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 13:41:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
	<639b4bdc-7777-2204-6a6d-e2ae88781d83@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <20a636a6-747c-a76c-7693-b0eab634b508@amps.net>

Not 'Hi-De-Hi" Dave?

This pronouciation issue reminds me of a good friend, who working for BP 
was posted to Japan.

He went out one day for a drive, and suffered a flat tyre.

Calling at a service station, enquired of the Jap mechanic if there was 
a foot pump.

Blank inscrutability.

So Chris mimed pumping up with his foot.

Realisation dawned:

"Ah! footu pumpu"


Pat


On 03/01/2023 13:04, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> How about 'High-Un-Die'? - that's how I have always heard it 
> pronounced! Cheers, Dave
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jan  3 07:47:13 2023
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 13:47:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Names
Message-ID: <783f2247-499a-1d48-ef36-fb899b812da3@btinternet.com>

One of the strangest mispronunciations for me is 'Featherstonehaugh' 
pronounced 'Fanshaw'! I agree with 'Ren-owe' and 'Braun' as 'Brown', if 
you've ever learnt German 'au' is 'ow'. Not to forget the English 'ough' 
as in 'plough', 'cough', 'though', 'thorough' etc.!  Who would want to 
learn English from scratch? Cheers, Dave


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Jan  3 08:01:09 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 14:01:09 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4960CAD8E1C42E79C90BCE97479043B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Oh dear ? I imagine Hyundai rather thought they?d settled the issue! I can only reinforce what I mentioned re the manufacturer?s old TV ads ? I have (for once) a very clear recollection of the pronunciation at that time being Hyun-day and if the website I mention is correct in their reportage, that is what is now being requested.

Perhaps a request to the boss of Hyundai UK for ?straight from the horse?s mouth? guidance. Or should that be pony bearing in mind their first UK model in 1982?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 12:50 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai

According to an ad I've just heard, it is pronounced 'Hinday'


On 02/01/2023 16:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

  A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com ascribed to Adrian Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.

  Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put them in good company.

  The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it? 

  If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!

  Dave Newbitt.  



   


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jan  3 09:42:40 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 15:42:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <B4960CAD8E1C42E79C90BCE97479043B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <9383E3AE17704AF2BEE8057231207C51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<1980f3f3-82c9-b070-3e8c-8a2d1301a3c8@gmail.com>
	<B4960CAD8E1C42E79C90BCE97479043B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <7ca1125d-8d4e-7435-fa67-f4dc0879194d@chriswoolf.co.uk>

The real problem is that tonal language sounds can't translate properly 
to our pitch-accented ears.

You can try to make a similar sound but our way for putting syllables 
together doesn't happen in the Asian languages, so the attempt 
invariably fails. Our ears simply don't hear the differences that 
completely change the meaning of a sentence.

In much the same way many Indo-European language speakers utterly fail 
with our "th" and "w" sounds - and likewise we fail with Welsh phonemes.

Let's face it - we can't even get the Americans to pronounce a lot of 
words intelligibly.

Chris Woolf


On 03/01/2023 14:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Oh dear ? I imagine Hyundai rather thought they?d settled the issue! I 
> can only reinforce what I mentioned re the manufacturer?s old TV ads ? 
> I have (for once) a very clear recollection of the pronunciation at 
> that time being Hyun-day and if the website I mention is correct in 
> their reportage, that is what is now being requested.
> Perhaps a request to the boss of Hyundai UK for ?straight from the 
> horse?s mouth? guidance. Or should that be pony bearing in mind their 
> first UK model in 1982?
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Dave Plowman via Tech1
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2023 12:50 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Hyundai
>
> According to an ad I've just heard, it is pronounced 'Hinday'
>
> On 02/01/2023 16:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com ascribed to Adrian 
>> Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the 
>> suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.
>> Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is 
>> obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m 
>> sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in 
>> the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. 
>> The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, 
>> one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put 
>> them in good company.
>> The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate 
>> us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation 
>> always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take 
>> exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist 
>> accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it?
>> If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash 
>> course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!
>> Dave Newbitt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jan  3 11:00:10 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 17:00:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
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I did a job where Mitsubishi supplied a car.  I was intrigued to hear how the Japanese guy from the company pronounced the company name. The best approximation I can come up with is Mee shoe bee see, which is quite unlike how most Brits would pronounce it. 

On a show where I was recording voice overs with an American guy, a discussion arose about how to pronounce the name of the sponsor - Visa. The VO artist wanted to say Veezah, while the New York producer insisted it was Veesah, with a very soft ?S?. Both insisted they were right, but it seemed obvious to me that you mustn?t get the name of the sponsor wrong. Unfortunately, neither of them trusted my pronunciation because being a Brit, they had already deduced that I couldn?t be trusted to correctly pronounce simple words like water ( warder ), Beta ( Bayder ), Basil ( bay sill ), herb ( airb ) or aluminium ( aluminum ). I decided to phone their number for reporting a lost card, switched it to speakerphone and we all listened to how they announced themselves. It was the hard ?Z? version. Unsurprisingly, the producer insisted that they were wrong, but agreed that it would be prudent to humour the company by pronouncing it their way.

Alan


> On 3 Jan 2023, at 15:43, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The real problem is that tonal language sounds can't translate properly to our pitch-accented ears.
> 
> You can try to make a similar sound but our way for putting syllables together doesn't happen in the Asian languages, so the attempt invariably fails. Our ears simply don't hear the differences that completely change the meaning of a sentence.
> 
> In much the same way many Indo-European language speakers utterly fail with our "th" and "w" sounds - and likewise we fail with Welsh phonemes.
> 
> Let's face it - we can't even get the Americans to pronounce a lot of words intelligibly.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/01/2023 14:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Oh dear ? I imagine Hyundai rather thought they?d settled the issue! I can only reinforce what I mentioned re the manufacturer?s old TV ads ? I have (for once) a very clear recollection of the pronunciation at that time being Hyun-day and if the website I mention is correct in their reportage, that is what is now being requested.
>>  
>> Perhaps a request to the boss of Hyundai UK for ?straight from the horse?s mouth? guidance. Or should that be pony bearing in mind their first UK model in 1982?
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 12:50 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai
>>  
>> According to an ad I've just heard, it is pronounced 'Hinday'
>> 
>> On 02/01/2023 16:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com ascribed to Adrian Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.
>>>  
>>> Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put them in good company.
>>>  
>>> The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it?
>>>  
>>> If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!
>>>  
>>> Dave Newbitt. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jan  3 16:11:39 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2023 22:11:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
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In all the years I?ve been doing car launches, commercials, promos, etc., it?s always been about whether the product name could mean something offensive or obscene in another language, not about how you pronounce it. Why the sudden concern?
My favourite American mis-pronounciation is ?soddering? (soldering). Makes me chuckle every time.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 3 Jan 2023, at 17:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I did a job where Mitsubishi supplied a car.  I was intrigued to hear how the Japanese guy from the company pronounced the company name. The best approximation I can come up with is Mee shoe bee see, which is quite unlike how most Brits would pronounce it.

On a show where I was recording voice overs with an American guy, a discussion arose about how to pronounce the name of the sponsor - Visa. The VO artist wanted to say Veezah, while the New York producer insisted it was Veesah, with a very soft ?S?. Both insisted they were right, but it seemed obvious to me that you mustn?t get the name of the sponsor wrong. Unfortunately, neither of them trusted my pronunciation because being a Brit, they had already deduced that I couldn?t be trusted to correctly pronounce simple words like water ( warder ), Beta ( Bayder ), Basil ( bay sill ), herb ( airb ) or aluminium ( aluminum ). I decided to phone their number for reporting a lost card, switched it to speakerphone and we all listened to how they announced themselves. It was the hard ?Z? version. Unsurprisingly, the producer insisted that they were wrong, but agreed that it would be prudent to humour the company by pronouncing it their way.

Alan


On 3 Jan 2023, at 15:43, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

The real problem is that tonal language sounds can't translate properly to our pitch-accented ears.

You can try to make a similar sound but our way for putting syllables together doesn't happen in the Asian languages, so the attempt invariably fails. Our ears simply don't hear the differences that completely change the meaning of a sentence.

In much the same way many Indo-European language speakers utterly fail with our "th" and "w" sounds - and likewise we fail with Welsh phonemes.

Let's face it - we can't even get the Americans to pronounce a lot of words intelligibly.

Chris Woolf


On 03/01/2023 14:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
Oh dear ? I imagine Hyundai rather thought they?d settled the issue! I can only reinforce what I mentioned re the manufacturer?s old TV ads ? I have (for once) a very clear recollection of the pronunciation at that time being Hyun-day and if the website I mention is correct in their reportage, that is what is now being requested.

Perhaps a request to the boss of Hyundai UK for ?straight from the horse?s mouth? guidance. Or should that be pony bearing in mind their first UK model in 1982?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 12:50 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai


According to an ad I've just heard, it is pronounced 'Hinday'

On 02/01/2023 16:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
A piece today on the website https://uk.motor1.com ascribed to Adrian Padenau/Brian Potter describes as a ?somewhat unusual change? the suggestion from Hyundai that we should pronounce the brand as ?Hyun-day?.

Why would they find ?unusual? the attempt at correcting what is obviously incorrect pronunciation? I remember very clearly, as I?m sure many do, that when the company first established a presence in the UK the TV advertisements always did pronounce it as ?Hyun-day?. The inevitability of it becoming anglicised in common parlance led, one imagines, the company to give up the unequal struggle. Which put them in good company.

The firm of Braun must have eventually despaired of trying to educate us away from ?Brawn?. My father and many others of his generation always referred to Renault not as Ren-oh but as Ren-ult. I don?t take exception to any of this but wonder why we so determinedly resist accepting pronouncing a name as its owner pronounces it?

If ever I could afford a Patek Philippe I think I?d take a crash course in its pronunciation before heading into the jewellers!

Dave Newbitt.





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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jan  4 16:19:15 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 22:19:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ten o'clock news
Message-ID: <882593CA-6409-4844-8A10-4B74EAC14577@mac.com>

I?ve just realised that I haven?t recently noticed standing news presenters and reporters changing the image behind them by touching the screen  ~ well, it was a stupid idea anyway ~ presumably somebody had to be standing by to take over the function if the touch-screen failed, so they might as well do it anyway.

Am I right, or just unobservant? And I fancy Hugh Edwards is now the only one who gets up from his desk at the end of the programme and walks to a dais showing Newsnight pictures, followed by the regional presenters en masse.

I think the whole set is till a mess, though ~ the product of a troubled mind!

Mike G

From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 17:26:20 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 23:26:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ten o'clock news
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Nicely put Mike. Tonight?s News at Ten with Rita getting up to do an interview with Simon Jack at the screen was a silly idea, as are all the bits where you see the reporters in long shot. Worse is when the presenter is sitting at the desk with a much larger than life image of the person being talked about on the screen to the right of frame. It?s out of all proportion. I?d love to know who dreamt up the whole idea and how they persuaded the chiefs to go along with it and spend all that money. It?s obvious the cameras are all remote controlled now with not even one studio cameraman as was the case when I worked in N6 at TC, and how they love to show these new cameras that don?t look like cameras, repositioning in shot with their neon hazard light flashing away at the base. News is about conveying information, not shouting about what a big studio we have. Do they really think it impresses the viewers so much better than other channels can do? It?s the quality of reporting that counts, not all that, surely?

Geoff

> On 4 Jan 2023, at 22:19, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ve just realised that I haven?t recently noticed standing news presenters and reporters changing the image behind them by touching the screen  ~ well, it was a stupid idea anyway ~ presumably somebody had to be standing by to take over the function if the touch-screen failed, so they might as well do it anyway.
> 
> Am I right, or just unobservant? And I fancy Hugh Edwards is now the only one who gets up from his desk at the end of the programme and walks to a dais showing Newsnight pictures, followed by the regional presenters en masse.
> 
> I think the whole set is till a mess, though ~ the product of a troubled mind!
> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 17:34:21 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 23:34:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ten o'clock news
In-Reply-To: <882593CA-6409-4844-8A10-4B74EAC14577@mac.com>
References: <882593CA-6409-4844-8A10-4B74EAC14577@mac.com>
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?and why on earth was Rita dressed head to toe in black this evening, as though she was in mourning? Black is not a good colour for television, especially in a high key setting as it doesn?t register in detail well. The old principles seem to have gone out of the window in more ways than one,

Geoff

> On 4 Jan 2023, at 22:19, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ve just realised that I haven?t recently noticed standing news presenters and reporters changing the image behind them by touching the screen  ~ well, it was a stupid idea anyway ~ presumably somebody had to be standing by to take over the function if the touch-screen failed, so they might as well do it anyway.
> 
> Am I right, or just unobservant? And I fancy Hugh Edwards is now the only one who gets up from his desk at the end of the programme and walks to a dais showing Newsnight pictures, followed by the regional presenters en masse.
> 
> I think the whole set is till a mess, though ~ the product of a troubled mind!
> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 17:59:36 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 23:59:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ten o'clock news
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It is a mess. And one thing that constantly annoys is that big angled 
'flat' in the middle of the set that they put up information on - for 
more info look at this URL or whatever - angled, I suppose, to look clever.


On 04/01/2023 22:19, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:

> I?ve just realised that I haven?t recently noticed standing news presenters and reporters changing the image behind them by touching the screen  ~ well, it was a stupid idea anyway ~ presumably somebody had to be standing by to take over the function if the touch-screen failed, so they might as well do it anyway.
>
> Am I right, or just unobservant? And I fancy Hugh Edwards is now the only one who gets up from his desk at the end of the programme and walks to a dais showing Newsnight pictures, followed by the regional presenters en masse.
>
> I think the whole set is till a mess, though ~ the product of a troubled mind!
>
> Mike G


From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Wed Jan  4 18:41:35 2023
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 00:41:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ten o'clock news
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For me Rita always looks classy.

John V



> On 4 Jan 2023, at 23:34, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?and why on earth was Rita dressed head to toe in black this evening, as though she was in mourning? Black is not a good colour for television, especially in a high key setting as it doesn?t register in detail well. The old principles seem to have gone out of the window in more ways than one,
> 
> Geoff
> 
>> On 4 Jan 2023, at 22:19, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?ve just realised that I haven?t recently noticed standing news presenters and reporters changing the image behind them by touching the screen  ~ well, it was a stupid idea anyway ~ presumably somebody had to be standing by to take over the function if the touch-screen failed, so they might as well do it anyway.
>> 
>> Am I right, or just unobservant? And I fancy Hugh Edwards is now the only one who gets up from his desk at the end of the programme and walks to a dais showing Newsnight pictures, followed by the regional presenters en masse.
>> 
>> I think the whole set is till a mess, though ~ the product of a troubled mind!
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jan  5 03:27:54 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 09:27:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ten o'clock news
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Reeta, not Rita. (But spellchecker wanted to change Reeta to Retail on my iPad, so could be to blame for Rita?).
I do agree, she looks and is great, and the set is ridiculously distracting.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Jan 2023, at 00:42, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?For me Rita always looks classy.
> 
> John V
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jan 2023, at 23:34, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?and why on earth was Rita dressed head to toe in black this evening, as though she was in mourning? Black is not a good colour for television, especially in a high key setting as it doesn?t register in detail well. The old principles seem to have gone out of the window in more ways than one,
>> 
>> Geoff
>> 
>>>> On 4 Jan 2023, at 22:19, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I?ve just realised that I haven?t recently noticed standing news presenters and reporters changing the image behind them by touching the screen  ~ well, it was a stupid idea anyway ~ presumably somebody had to be standing by to take over the function if the touch-screen failed, so they might as well do it anyway.
>>> 
>>> Am I right, or just unobservant? And I fancy Hugh Edwards is now the only one who gets up from his desk at the end of the programme and walks to a dais showing Newsnight pictures, followed by the regional presenters en masse.
>>> 
>>> I think the whole set is till a mess, though ~ the product of a troubled mind!
>>> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 03:43:02 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 09:43:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ten o'clock news
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?apologies for the misspelling of her name and at 58 she does look good and I couldn?t believe she was that old. We wondered why she was all in black last night as though she was in mourning. I just wish she wouldn?t do so much head movement when she?s reading as though she needs to emphasise every point that way, as it looks unnatural,
Geoff

> On 5 Jan 2023, at 09:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Reeta, not Rita. (But spellchecker wanted to change Reeta to Retail on my iPad, so could be to blame for Rita?).
> I do agree, she looks and is great, and the set is ridiculously distracting.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2023, at 00:42, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?For me Rita always looks classy.
>> 
>> John V
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 4 Jan 2023, at 23:34, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?and why on earth was Rita dressed head to toe in black this evening, as though she was in mourning? Black is not a good colour for television, especially in a high key setting as it doesn?t register in detail well. The old principles seem to have gone out of the window in more ways than one,
>>> 
>>> Geoff
>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Jan 2023, at 22:19, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I?ve just realised that I haven?t recently noticed standing news presenters and reporters changing the image behind them by touching the screen  ~ well, it was a stupid idea anyway ~ presumably somebody had to be standing by to take over the function if the touch-screen failed, so they might as well do it anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> Am I right, or just unobservant? And I fancy Hugh Edwards is now the only one who gets up from his desk at the end of the programme and walks to a dais showing Newsnight pictures, followed by the regional presenters en masse.
>>>> 
>>>> I think the whole set is till a mess, though ~ the product of a troubled mind!
>>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jan  6 04:50:29 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 10:50:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
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Absolutely right, Nick. Rolls Royce nearly got embarrassed when naming a 
model 'Silver Mist':

The Silver Shadow was originally intended to be called the Silver Mist 
until someone at Crewe, where the car was produced, politely pointed out 
that in German, the word ?mist? means ?manure? and other things like it, 
some quite extreme.
Realising what a disastrous effect such an association would have on the 
model?s fortunes, the bosses at Rolls-Royce decided to call their new 
car the Silver Shadow, instead.?It was a wise move and the Shadow 
remains the car maker?s most successful model with sales of more than 
25,000.

On the subject of pronounciation, Americans are guilty of all sorts of 
modifications to 'English as she is spoke'. 
(https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/English_As_She_Is_Spoke)

My first visit to the States was before US-style shopping malls came to 
the UK, so on a day off, ventured to a mall to mosey around. It was 
lunchtime, so spotting a fast food place that rejoiced in the name of 
"Chick-Fil-A"
I asked for a "Chick-Fil-Ah". That's "Chick-Fil- Ay", sir! As Americans 
pronounce the steak Filay mignon!

But what is more annoying to my UK ears is the US pronounciation of the 
'o' in 'lot', 'job' etc which comes out as 'lart' & 'jarb'
and some commercials, giving the website address as 'dot.karm'.

Accents are regional, we know, but I was startled when on a job (jarb!) 
in Austria, I attempted to order food in parrot fashion German. The 
location liaison, a lovely man from Munich, said to me: " Your German is 
great, Pat", but you have no accent -
I cannot tell where you come from!" Forebade to tell him it was copied 
off Dudley Moore from Beyond the Fringe!

Best New Year Wishes to everyone!

Pat

On 03/01/2023 22:11, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> In all the years I?ve been doing car launches, commercials, promos, 
> etc., it?s always been about whether the product name could mean 
> something offensive or obscene in another language, not about how you 
> pronounce it. Why the sudden concern?
> My favourite American mis-pronounciation is ?soddering? (soldering). 
> Makes me chuckle every time.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 3 Jan 2023, at 17:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:? 
>> I did a job where Mitsubishi supplied a car. ?I was intrigued to hear 
>> how the Japanese guy from the company pronounced the company name. 
>> The best approximation I can come up with is Mee shoe bee see, which 
>> is quite unlike how most Brits would pronounce it.
>>
>> On a show where I was recording voice overs with an American guy, a 
>> discussion arose about how to pronounce the name of the sponsor - 
>> Visa. The VO artist wanted to say Veezah, while the New York producer 
>> insisted it was Veesah, with a very soft ?S?. Both insisted they were 
>> right, but it seemed obvious to me that you mustn?t get the name of 
>> the sponsor wrong. Unfortunately, neither of them trusted my 
>> pronunciation because being a Brit, they had already deduced that I 
>> couldn?t be trusted to correctly pronounce simple words like water ( 
>> warder ), Beta ( Bayder ), Basil ( bay sill ), herb ( airb ) or 
>> aluminium ( aluminum ). I decided to phone their number for reporting 
>> a lost card, switched it to speakerphone and we all listened to how 
>> they announced themselves. It was the hard ?Z? version. 
>> Unsurprisingly, the producer insisted that they were wrong, but 
>> agreed that it would be prudent to humour the company by pronouncing 
>> it their way.
>>
>> Alan


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jan  6 04:53:38 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 10:53:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <228c6fd8-8d8b-6985-6b87-33fe7f1349f1@amps.net>
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Could have been worse, could have been from John Cleese in Fawlty Towers.

> On 6 Jan 2023, at 10:50, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Accents are regional, we know, but I was startled when on a job (jarb!) in Austria, I attempted to order food in parrot fashion German. The location liaison, a lovely man from Munich, said to me: " Your German is great, Pat", but you have no accent -
> I cannot tell where you come from!" Forebade to tell him it was copied off Dudley Moore from Beyond the Fringe!

? 
Graeme Wall




From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jan  6 05:07:09 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 11:07:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <4DC531A4-E26B-441E-8729-7D246FD2BA55@icloud.com>
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'I think I got away with it!'

P

On 06/01/2023 10:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Could have been worse, could have been from John Cleese in Fawlty Towers.
>
>
> Graeme Wall
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Jan  6 13:13:26 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 19:13:26 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
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I once worked with a character who always referred to his Mitsubishi as a Mitzibushy.

Remember the Mitsubishi Starion? The stock story of course was that the makers intended Stallion but the Japanese l/r pronunciation problem rather screwed things. This oft quoted account is more often than not dismissed as apocryphal and yet.....

There is a YouTube clip of an old Japanese TV ad for the car which some enterprising eagle eyed observer took a screen grab from showing the car's logo:-



Looks a bit like a Stallion wouldn?t you say? The design was dropped on exported production cars. 

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 5:00 PM
To: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai

I did a job where Mitsubishi supplied a car.  I was intrigued to hear how the Japanese guy from the company pronounced the company name. The best approximation I can come up with is Mee shoe bee see, which is quite unlike how most Brits would pronounce it. 

On a show where I was recording voice overs with an American guy, a discussion arose about how to pronounce the name of the sponsor - Visa. The VO artist wanted to say Veezah, while the New York producer insisted it was Veesah, with a very soft ?S?. Both insisted they were right, but it seemed obvious to me that you mustn?t get the name of the sponsor wrong. Unfortunately, neither of them trusted my pronunciation because being a Brit, they had already deduced that I couldn?t be trusted to correctly pronounce simple words like water ( warder ), Beta ( Bayder ), Basil ( bay sill ), herb ( airb ) or aluminium ( aluminum ). I decided to phone their number for reporting a lost card, switched it to speakerphone and we all listened to how they announced themselves. It was the hard ?Z? version. Unsurprisingly, the producer insisted that they were wrong, but agreed that it would be prudent to humour the company by pronouncing it their way.

Alan


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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jan  6 13:27:44 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 19:27:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <E84AEBA239CC41E194177975245060AC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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When my Wife, Judi, bought her Nissan Juke, not her first Nissan, the salesman assured us that it was originally going to be marketed as the Nissan Puke.
Pronounce it how you like, that was never going to work.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 6 Jan 2023, at 19:14, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I once worked with a character who always referred to his Mitsubishi as a Mitzibushy.

Remember the Mitsubishi Starion? The stock story of course was that the makers intended Stallion but the Japanese l/r pronunciation problem rather screwed things. This oft quoted account is more often than not dismissed as apocryphal and yet.....

There is a YouTube clip of an old Japanese TV ad for the car which some enterprising eagle eyed observer took a screen grab from showing the car's logo:-

[Starion[2].jpg]

Looks a bit like a Stallion wouldn?t you say? The design was dropped on exported production cars.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 5:00 PM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai

I did a job where Mitsubishi supplied a car.  I was intrigued to hear how the Japanese guy from the company pronounced the company name. The best approximation I can come up with is Mee shoe bee see, which is quite unlike how most Brits would pronounce it.

On a show where I was recording voice overs with an American guy, a discussion arose about how to pronounce the name of the sponsor - Visa. The VO artist wanted to say Veezah, while the New York producer insisted it was Veesah, with a very soft ?S?. Both insisted they were right, but it seemed obvious to me that you mustn?t get the name of the sponsor wrong. Unfortunately, neither of them trusted my pronunciation because being a Brit, they had already deduced that I couldn?t be trusted to correctly pronounce simple words like water ( warder ), Beta ( Bayder ), Basil ( bay sill ), herb ( airb ) or aluminium ( aluminum ). I decided to phone their number for reporting a lost card, switched it to speakerphone and we all listened to how they announced themselves. It was the hard ?Z? version. Unsurprisingly, the producer insisted that they were wrong, but agreed that it would be prudent to humour the company by pronouncing it their way.

Alan



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jan  6 15:03:33 2023
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 21:03:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
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Our Honda Jazz was originally named Honda City but Toyota had the 
copyright on the name City so Honda changed it to Jazz. Cheers, Dave


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Jan  6 17:36:25 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2023 23:36:25 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
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This thread has dipped in and out of Americanisms so can any of the 
considerable number of you with first hand experience of their language help 
with this one.

Increasingly over the years our word 'alternative' has become more and more 
replaced by the American 'alternate' e.g. alternate contact details.
If the Americans need to express something like "alternate bouts of optimism 
& despair", what do they say?

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:03 PM
To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai

Our Honda Jazz was originally named Honda City but Toyota had the
copyright on the name City so Honda changed it to Jazz. Cheers, Dave

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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sat Jan  7 04:56:56 2023
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:56:56 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
Message-ID: <be476f55-d689-4f7b-a0b0-cf4c882e5199@me.com>

Hi folks,I find it rather hard to get my head around Royal Mail.The corporate logo gives the impression that it hassomething to do with the Royal Family, Queens/Kingscypher etc. The reality is that it is a private company,I'm ?not sure if it is even owned by anyone in the UK?I suppose the same applies to the BBC Logo on variousbusiness operations. Again I get the feeling do any ofthese companies have anything to do with the BBC?Tony Nuttall, in the Wild of Cumbria
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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  7 05:16:18 2023
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 11:16:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The LE meet up
Message-ID: <438A3923-A7E2-448F-803B-357D0C4C6B1A@hotmail.com>

Hi, 

Is anyone going to this on the 18th (I think) that I know? Is there a train strike? 

With best wishes 

sarax

From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sat Jan  7 05:19:04 2023
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 11:19:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The LE meet up
In-Reply-To: <438A3923-A7E2-448F-803B-357D0C4C6B1A@hotmail.com>
References: <438A3923-A7E2-448F-803B-357D0C4C6B1A@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <228A1241-2A37-42DD-9775-2A7748FE6E09@icloud.com>

I?m not going to be able to make it this year as I?m off to Goa the next day, but it?s usually well attended. 

Peter 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 7 Jan 2023, at 11:16, Sara Newman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi, 
> 
> Is anyone going to this on the 18th (I think) that I know? Is there a train strike? 
> 
> With best wishes 
> 
> sarax
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Jan  7 05:44:45 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2023 11:44:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
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From Waresound at msn.com  Sat Jan  7 06:29:24 2023
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 12:29:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai - Americanisms
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I?m afraid we have to accept that British English and American English are two different languages. 
From 1992 onwards for a number of years, I recorded and edited all of the audio content for Jolly Phonics. Originally in paper form, the printed Jolly Phonics learning books contained stories and pictures of everyday objects. Concealed under the image inks were dot matrix codes (early form of QR code) that were only visible to a companion touch-pen. Touch the pen on, say, a sheep, and from the UK and US folders of files stored in the pen, the tiny built-in speaker would say the word ?sheep?, etc., etc. Even earlier editions than this used a set of ten companion CD?s - a lot less convenient!
The touch-pen contained thousands of individual words, phrases, nursery rhymes and songs as individual mp3 files. A lot of time was spent editing and naming them all. Thank God for computer editing, file management software and Autotune! 
In many instances, the audio had to spell out words to clarify differences between the same sound having more than one meaning, e.g., their, there, they?re etc.
The voice artists had to say or sing each word in both British English and American English versions. The user would select the version appropriate to where they were. In Japan, for instance, children were mostly taught the American pronounciation.
Then later, the same audio files were used in iPad apps. Much more convenient as it eliminated printing costs and can be bought and downloaded anywhere in the World. 
Jolly Phonics went on to become one of the most used English language teaching aids, and it isn?t even necessary for there to be an English speaking teacher present.
Company name: Jolly Learning, Ltd., owner and founder, Chris Jolly.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Jan 2023, at 23:36, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?This thread has dipped in and out of Americanisms so can any of the considerable number of you with first hand experience of their language help with this one.
> 
> Increasingly over the years our word 'alternative' has become more and more replaced by the American 'alternate' e.g. alternate contact details.
> If the Americans need to express something like "alternate bouts of optimism & despair", what do they say?
> 
> Dave Newbitt


From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 06:45:13 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 12:45:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The LE meet up
In-Reply-To: <438A3923-A7E2-448F-803B-357D0C4C6B1A@hotmail.com>
References: <438A3923-A7E2-448F-803B-357D0C4C6B1A@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFKgnyyYdh1roNvfNMCUE6_TfW9gXWRzuu08yFmfjk_0pgxbdA@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing announced yet, but it all depends on the result of the
negociation meeting on Monday before more dates are set.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 at 11:16, Sara Newman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is anyone going to this on the 18th (I think) that I know? Is there a train strike?
>
> With best wishes
>
> sarax
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jan  7 08:53:15 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 14:53:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
In-Reply-To: <be476f55-d689-4f7b-a0b0-cf4c882e5199@me.com>
References: <be476f55-d689-4f7b-a0b0-cf4c882e5199@me.com>
Message-ID: <58A8B966-4A1E-4461-982B-AC79D33F2215@me.com>

Prior to Parcelforce being spun off from Royal Mail to become a privatised business, I was working on a series of promotional videos for them.

The writers in London decided to rewrite much of the script. A motorbike courier was used to get the new script to us, half way across England, by first thing the next morning.  I pointed out that we had only just recorded a sequence about how they offered a service where Royal Mail / Parcelforce would deliver documents and small parcels by priority mail, guaranteed to arrive before 10:00 the next day.  I asked why they weren?t using that service? The reply was that they needed delivery by 10:00 to really happen.

As far as ownership is concerned, it was one of those privatisations where the public could buy shares.  I suspect that a large proportion of those shares have since been sold and are now owned by pension funds and investment companies.  The small proportion of shares originally retained by the government were sold ages ago.

Alan



> On 7 Jan 2023, at 10:57, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi folks,
> I find it rather hard to get my head around Royal Mail.
> The corporate logo gives the impression that it has
> something to do with the Royal Family, Queens/Kings
> cypher etc. The reality is that it is a private company,
> I'm  not sure if it is even owned by anyone in the UK?
> I suppose the same applies to the BBC Logo on various
> business operations. Again I get the feeling do any of
> these companies have anything to do with the BBC?
> 
> Tony Nuttall, in the Wild of Cumbria
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Jan  7 09:37:05 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 15:37:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
In-Reply-To: <58A8B966-4A1E-4461-982B-AC79D33F2215@me.com>
References: <be476f55-d689-4f7b-a0b0-cf4c882e5199@me.com>
	<58A8B966-4A1E-4461-982B-AC79D33F2215@me.com>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB160438395887340C6D88C513A7F89@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

This morning I received a parcel sent by special delivery, posted on Thursday afternoon. Our Postie in his shorts in the pouring rain as usual.
I wonder what my maternal Grandad would have made of it all today. He was Head Postmaster for Redhill, Reigate and Dorking, and I think, Horsham at the time of the attached pic. That?s him in the light suit in the centre.
He was the first to introduce motor vehicles for postal collection and delivery in this country (fact verified by the Curator of the National Post Office Museum). Sadly, even though they hadn?t seen this picture before, they declined my offer of a high res copy plus the original itself for the archive, on the grounds that it might be someone?s copyright. I replied that as I made this print from a half-plate glass negative, if it?s anyone?s I would claim it as mine!
[image0.jpeg]
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 7 Jan 2023, at 14:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Prior to Parcelforce being spun off from Royal Mail to become a privatised business, I was working on a series of promotional videos for them.

The writers in London decided to rewrite much of the script. A motorbike courier was used to get the new script to us, half way across England, by first thing the next morning.  I pointed out that we had only just recorded a sequence about how they offered a service where Royal Mail / Parcelforce would deliver documents and small parcels by priority mail, guaranteed to arrive before 10:00 the next day.  I asked why they weren?t using that service? The reply was that they needed delivery by 10:00 to really happen.

As far as ownership is concerned, it was one of those privatisations where the public could buy shares.  I suspect that a large proportion of those shares have since been sold and are now owned by pension funds and investment companies.  The small proportion of shares originally retained by the government were sold ages ago.

Alan



On 7 Jan 2023, at 10:57, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Hi folks,
I find it rather hard to get my head around Royal Mail.
The corporate logo gives the impression that it has
something to do with the Royal Family, Queens/Kings
cypher etc. The reality is that it is a private company,
I'm  not sure if it is even owned by anyone in the UK?
I suppose the same applies to the BBC Logo on various
business operations. Again I get the feeling do any of
these companies have anything to do with the BBC?

Tony Nuttall, in the Wild of Cumbria
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jan  7 10:55:55 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 16:55:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
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Great picture.  I?m just intrigued about the two people on the bridge, top right.  What do you reckon they might be doing? I can?t work it out by enlarging the scan.

Alan


> On 7 Jan 2023, at 15:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? This morning I received a parcel sent by special delivery, posted on Thursday afternoon. Our Postie in his shorts in the pouring rain as usual.
> I wonder what my maternal Grandad would have made of it all today. He was Head Postmaster for Redhill, Reigate and Dorking, and I think, Horsham at the time of the attached pic. That?s him in the light suit in the centre.
> He was the first to introduce motor vehicles for postal collection and delivery in this country (fact verified by the Curator of the National Post Office Museum). Sadly, even though they hadn?t seen this picture before, they declined my offer of a high res copy plus the original itself for the archive, on the grounds that it might be someone?s copyright. I replied that as I made this print from a half-plate glass negative, if it?s anyone?s I would claim it as mine!
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> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 14:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Prior to Parcelforce being spun off from Royal Mail to become a privatised business, I was working on a series of promotional videos for them.
>> 
>> The writers in London decided to rewrite much of the script. A motorbike courier was used to get the new script to us, half way across England, by first thing the next morning.  I pointed out that we had only just recorded a sequence about how they offered a service where Royal Mail / Parcelforce would deliver documents and small parcels by priority mail, guaranteed to arrive before 10:00 the next day.  I asked why they weren?t using that service? The reply was that they needed delivery by 10:00 to really happen.
>> 
>> As far as ownership is concerned, it was one of those privatisations where the public could buy shares.  I suspect that a large proportion of those shares have since been sold and are now owned by pension funds and investment companies.  The small proportion of shares originally retained by the government were sold ages ago.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 10:57, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I find it rather hard to get my head around Royal Mail.
>>> The corporate logo gives the impression that it has
>>> something to do with the Royal Family, Queens/Kings
>>> cypher etc. The reality is that it is a private company,
>>> I'm  not sure if it is even owned by anyone in the UK?
>>> I suppose the same applies to the BBC Logo on various
>>> business operations. Again I get the feeling do any of
>>> these companies have anything to do with the BBC?
>>> 
>>> Tony Nuttall, in the Wild of Cumbria
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 11:12:54 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 17:12:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
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Looks like two schoolboys in shorts, bare knees and peaked caps.


On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 at 16:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Great picture.  I?m just intrigued about the two people on the bridge, top right.  What do you reckon they might be doing? I can?t work it out by enlarging the scan.
>
> Alan
>


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jan  7 11:16:48 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 17:16:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
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That?s a lovely photo

> On 7 Jan 2023, at 15:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> <image0.jpeg>

? 
Graeme Wall




From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Jan  7 12:02:33 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 18:02:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
Message-ID: <B6C0D3EB-2FB2-4AD2-95BB-FC5EAA3F2778@me.com>

I've recently bought  a Quad VENA stand alone Amp, and for the first time, I have an out-of-sync problem when using the digital o/p from the BD player, sound before vision.

Any ideas how to solve it please?  It's fine playing analogue on the Quad.

A quick look at the internet gives multiple solutions, mostly for computer playback, but I'm trying to get away from another bodge-it box in the signal path, that was part of the reason for getting the Quad.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.




From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 12:38:36 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 18:38:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
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Trainspotting- that's what those two lads are doing.  Some typical railway
fencing on the ramp up to the bridge
 BR Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023, 16:56 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Great picture.  I?m just intrigued about the two people on the bridge, top
> right.  What do you reckon they might be doing? I can?t work it out by
> enlarging the scan.
>
> Alan
>
>
> > On 7 Jan 2023, at 15:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > ? This morning I received a parcel sent by special delivery, posted on
> Thursday afternoon. Our Postie in his shorts in the pouring rain as usual.
> > I wonder what my maternal Grandad would have made of it all today. He
> was Head Postmaster for Redhill, Reigate and Dorking, and I think, Horsham
> at the time of the attached pic. That?s him in the light suit in the centre.
> > He was the first to introduce motor vehicles for postal collection and
> delivery in this country (fact verified by the Curator of the National Post
> Office Museum). Sadly, even though they hadn?t seen this picture before,
> they declined my offer of a high res copy plus the original itself for the
> archive, on the grounds that it might be someone?s copyright. I replied
> that as I made this print from a half-plate glass negative, if it?s
> anyone?s I would claim it as mine!
> >
> > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> >
> >>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 14:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >> ?Prior to Parcelforce being spun off from Royal Mail to become a
> privatised business, I was working on a series of promotional videos for
> them.
> >>
> >> The writers in London decided to rewrite much of the script. A
> motorbike courier was used to get the new script to us, half way across
> England, by first thing the next morning.  I pointed out that we had only
> just recorded a sequence about how they offered a service where Royal Mail
> / Parcelforce would deliver documents and small parcels by priority mail,
> guaranteed to arrive before 10:00 the next day.  I asked why they weren?t
> using that service? The reply was that they needed delivery by 10:00 to
> really happen.
> >>
> >> As far as ownership is concerned, it was one of those privatisations
> where the public could buy shares.  I suspect that a large proportion of
> those shares have since been sold and are now owned by pension funds and
> investment companies.  The small proportion of shares originally retained
> by the government were sold ages ago.
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 10:57, William Nuttall via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>> I find it rather hard to get my head around Royal Mail.
> >>> The corporate logo gives the impression that it has
> >>> something to do with the Royal Family, Queens/Kings
> >>> cypher etc. The reality is that it is a private company,
> >>> I'm  not sure if it is even owned by anyone in the UK?
> >>> I suppose the same applies to the BBC Logo on various
> >>> business operations. Again I get the feeling do any of
> >>> these companies have anything to do with the BBC?
> >>>
> >>> Tony Nuttall, in the Wild of Cumbria
> >>> --
> >>> Tech1 mailing list
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Jan  7 13:20:08 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 19:20:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Very Strange all This Coperate Name Business
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It?s changed a lot since then, but I was told that the picture was taken at Redhill railway station.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 7 Jan 2023, at 18:39, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Trainspotting- that's what those two lads are doing.  Some typical railway fencing on the ramp up to the bridge
 BR Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023, 16:56 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Great picture.  I?m just intrigued about the two people on the bridge, top right.  What do you reckon they might be doing? I can?t work it out by enlarging the scan.

Alan


> On 7 Jan 2023, at 15:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> ? This morning I received a parcel sent by special delivery, posted on Thursday afternoon. Our Postie in his shorts in the pouring rain as usual.
> I wonder what my maternal Grandad would have made of it all today. He was Head Postmaster for Redhill, Reigate and Dorking, and I think, Horsham at the time of the attached pic. That?s him in the light suit in the centre.
> He was the first to introduce motor vehicles for postal collection and delivery in this country (fact verified by the Curator of the National Post Office Museum). Sadly, even though they hadn?t seen this picture before, they declined my offer of a high res copy plus the original itself for the archive, on the grounds that it might be someone?s copyright. I replied that as I made this print from a half-plate glass negative, if it?s anyone?s I would claim it as mine!
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 14:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>> ?Prior to Parcelforce being spun off from Royal Mail to become a privatised business, I was working on a series of promotional videos for them.
>>
>> The writers in London decided to rewrite much of the script. A motorbike courier was used to get the new script to us, half way across England, by first thing the next morning.  I pointed out that we had only just recorded a sequence about how they offered a service where Royal Mail / Parcelforce would deliver documents and small parcels by priority mail, guaranteed to arrive before 10:00 the next day.  I asked why they weren?t using that service? The reply was that they needed delivery by 10:00 to really happen.
>>
>> As far as ownership is concerned, it was one of those privatisations where the public could buy shares.  I suspect that a large proportion of those shares have since been sold and are now owned by pension funds and investment companies.  The small proportion of shares originally retained by the government were sold ages ago.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 10:57, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I find it rather hard to get my head around Royal Mail.
>>> The corporate logo gives the impression that it has
>>> something to do with the Royal Family, Queens/Kings
>>> cypher etc. The reality is that it is a private company,
>>> I'm  not sure if it is even owned by anyone in the UK?
>>> I suppose the same applies to the BBC Logo on various
>>> business operations. Again I get the feeling do any of
>>> these companies have anything to do with the BBC?
>>>
>>> Tony Nuttall, in the Wild of Cumbria
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jan  7 13:27:34 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 19:27:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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?. using the digital o/p from the BD player ?

I assume you?re talking about a Blu-ray player.  I helped somebody to sort a similar problem and found a setting on their player. It was called something like A/V sync and it could delay the sound by a number of milliseconds until the pictures caught up. 

If you can estimate the magnitude of the delay in frames, one frame is 40mS. A moderately annoying sync error might be 4 frames. If the delay adjustment is calibrated in mS, a first guess of around 160mS might be a suitable starting point.  That?s what I did when I tweaked my friend?s player and they were impressed that I sorted it instantly, but I felt it was still slightly wrong and by setting the delay to 3 frames ( 120mS ) it looked to be spot-on to me. 

I don?t have a Blu-ray player and therefore don?t know if this is a standard feature, but it would be worth looking for, or dare it say it,  reading the manual - which can usually be found online if you don?t have it to hand.

Alan



> On 7 Jan 2023, at 18:03, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I've recently bought  a Quad VENA stand alone Amp, and for the first time, I have an out-of-sync problem when using the digital o/p from the BD player, sound before vision.
> 
> Any ideas how to solve it please?  It's fine playing analogue on the Quad.
> 
> A quick look at the internet gives multiple solutions, mostly for computer playback, but I'm trying to get away from another bodge-it box in the signal path, that was part of the reason for getting the Quad.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 14:18:59 2023
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 20:18:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
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It?s the Americans  pronunciation of words like ?city? as ?caddy? that annoys me every time but no more I suppose than British people who say ?walm waw-ah? instead of ?warm water? or ?our commun-i-ee? instead of ?community?
A reference was made earlier to the Braun company having given up on their attempts to stop us pronouncing it as ?Brawn? which is how I say it. I assume the correct pronunciation is ?Brun? which I believe is how the name of the singer Ane Brun is pronounced instead of ? Broon? as I would say it. I?m sure Alan with his first hand knowledge will put us right on that, 
Geoff

> On 6 Jan 2023, at 23:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?This thread has dipped in and out of Americanisms so can any of the considerable number of you with first hand experience of their language help with this one.
> 
> Increasingly over the years our word 'alternative' has become more and more replaced by the American 'alternate' e.g. alternate contact details.
> If the Americans need to express something like "alternate bouts of optimism & despair", what do they say?
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:03 PM
> To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai
> 
> Our Honda Jazz was originally named Honda City but Toyota had the
> copyright on the name City so Honda changed it to Jazz. Cheers, Dave
> 
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  7 14:35:39 2023
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 20:35:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
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 ....and just when did Poland become Pole-land??








    On Saturday, 7 January 2023, 12:19:51 GMT-8, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 It?s the Americans? pronunciation of words like ?city? as ?caddy? that annoys me every time but no more I suppose than British people who say ?walm waw-ah? instead of ?warm water? or ?our commun-i-ee? instead of ?community?
A reference was made earlier to the Braun company having given up on their attempts to stop us pronouncing it as ?Brawn? which is how I say it. I assume the correct pronunciation is ?Brun? which I believe is how the name of the singer Ane Brun is pronounced instead of ? Broon? as I would say it. I?m sure Alan with his first hand knowledge will put us right on that, 
Geoff

> On 6 Jan 2023, at 23:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?This thread has dipped in and out of Americanisms so can any of the considerable number of you with first hand experience of their language help with this one.
> 
> Increasingly over the years our word 'alternative' has become more and more replaced by the American 'alternate' e.g. alternate contact details.
> If the Americans need to express something like "alternate bouts of optimism & despair", what do they say?
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:03 PM
> To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai
> 
> Our Honda Jazz was originally named Honda City but Toyota had the
> copyright on the name City so Honda changed it to Jazz. Cheers, Dave
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jan  7 14:55:50 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 20:55:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
Message-ID: <4355CDED-817B-474B-A2C8-FC88D3D064B2@me.com>

?
I must point out that my knowledge of the German language is second hand because I would struggle to put a sentence together, but I do recognise many German words. 

As far as Braun is concerned, my wife pronounces it in a way which is indistinguishable from ?Brown?.

Alan


> On 7 Jan 2023, at 20:19, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?It?s the Americans  pronunciation of words like ?city? as ?caddy? that annoys me every time but no more I suppose than British people who say ?walm waw-ah? instead of ?warm water? or ?our commun-i-ee? instead of ?community?
> A reference was made earlier to the Braun company having given up on their attempts to stop us pronouncing it as ?Brawn? which is how I say it. I assume the correct pronunciation is ?Brun? which I believe is how the name of the singer Ane Brun is pronounced instead of ? Broon? as I would say it. I?m sure Alan with his first hand knowledge will put us right on that, 
> Geoff
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2023, at 23:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?This thread has dipped in and out of Americanisms so can any of the considerable number of you with first hand experience of their language help with this one.
>> 
>> Increasingly over the years our word 'alternative' has become more and more replaced by the American 'alternate' e.g. alternate contact details.
>> If the Americans need to express something like "alternate bouts of optimism & despair", what do they say?
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:03 PM
>> To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai
>> 
>> Our Honda Jazz was originally named Honda City but Toyota had the
>> copyright on the name City so Honda changed it to Jazz. Cheers, Dave
>> 
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  7 23:07:50 2023
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 05:07:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Sad news.
References: <201362852.13259535.1673154470516.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <201362852.13259535.1673154470516@mail.yahoo.com>

?Some of you will remember Christine Slattery in VT Cataloguing next door to Current Ops.
?I heard late last night that she passed away very suddenly yesterday while on a cruise in South America.? Quite a shock.
?When I moved from Transcriptions at Kensington House it was to Cataloguing at TVC under Christine. I was there for 3 years before moving to Current Ops.? We were all quite a crew, going out as a gang all the time.
?She lost her husband Gary at a very young age a few years, which can't have helped.
?I'm very much going to miss her.

? ?Gary C.


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jan  8 03:50:20 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 09:50:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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It was explained on this forum a while back that the out-of-sync audio 
is dependent on the relative speed of the decoding circuits and /that/ 
can vary between manufacturers.

Therefore a delay system is not a 'one size fits all' situation.
My small Samsung bedroom TV has an audio delay function which works 
pretty well, but the repeats of Judge John Deed from Ch 20 (Drama) seem 
not to be within the
correction range! It seems easier to detect when sound is lagging, but 
not quite so if sound is leading.

I remember a transmission system called 'sound-in-syncs' using some sort 
of encoding principle. Can someone versed in this, enlighten a faulty 
memory?

More irritating, I find, is the delay on subtitles being well behind 
live speech, not to mention the mis-spellings! Is it a speech-to-text 
programme, or a stenographer
with fast fingers?

Best

Pat

On 07/01/2023 19:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> ?. using the digital o/p from the BD player ?
>
> I assume you?re talking about a Blu-ray player.  I helped somebody to sort a similar problem and found a setting on their player. It was called something like A/V sync and it could delay the sound by a number of milliseconds until the pictures caught up.
>
> If you can estimate the magnitude of the delay in frames, one frame is 40mS. A moderately annoying sync error might be 4 frames. If the delay adjustment is calibrated in mS, a first guess of around 160mS might be a suitable starting point.  That?s what I did when I tweaked my friend?s player and they were impressed that I sorted it instantly, but I felt it was still slightly wrong and by setting the delay to 3 frames ( 120mS ) it looked to be spot-on to me.
>
> I don?t have a Blu-ray player and therefore don?t know if this is a standard feature, but it would be worth looking for, or dare it say it,  reading the manual - which can usually be found online if you don?t have it to hand.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 18:03, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?I've recently bought  a Quad VENA stand alone Amp, and for the first time, I have an out-of-sync problem when using the digital o/p from the BD player, sound before vision.
>>
>> Any ideas how to solve it please?  It's fine playing analogue on the Quad.
>>
>> A quick look at the internet gives multiple solutions, mostly for computer playback, but I'm trying to get away from another bodge-it box in the signal path, that was part of the reason for getting the Quad.
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Jan  8 05:31:27 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 11:31:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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On 08/01/2023 09:50, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> ....
>
> I remember a transmission system called 'sound-in-syncs' using some 
> sort of encoding principle. Can someone versed in this, enlighten a 
> faulty memory?
>
>
Sound-in-syncs is applicable only to analogue TV transmission. It was 
based on original BBC work that sampled the sound during each line 
period, coded it as PCM and inserted the digital signal into the 
line-sync period - a part of the signal that didn't convey any useful 
information normally.

There were various different versions, not all compatible, but working 
on roughly the same basis and using NICAM transmission coding. This was 
needed to provide some compansion? to the system, to keep the bitrate 
within practical limits. Ignoring the variations between systems, this 
was 14bit sampling reduced to 10-bit transmission using a gain ranging 
approach.

S-i-S had the massive benefit of cutting out the need for equalised 
"music" lines between broadcast centres and transmitters. Sound was 
inevitably "in-sync" since sound and picture used the same distribution 
channel.

Chris Woolf
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Jan  8 05:51:44 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2023 11:51:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jan  8 05:56:03 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 11:56:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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Thank you, Chris. I thought that perhaps you would come in with an 
explanation!

Shame that the S-i-S is not applicable to digital transmission - or is 
that being worked on?

Probably not, as if the care taken in programme play-out is anything to 
go by, I suspect
that the general attitude is: "Who the hell cares anyway!"

Answer: We do!

Appropos of something completely different (where have we heard that 
before?)

I attach a few photos of my celebration 80th birthday party - a steam 
hauled Pullman
dining train on the Bluebell Railway.? A few old BBC colleagues /were/ 
invited and a couple
managed to attend, but illness and Covid put paid to some others.

( No I didn't steal the top hat from the Minstrels!)

Happy New Year

Pat

On 08/01/2023 11:31, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> On 08/01/2023 09:50, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> ....
>>
>> I remember a transmission system called 'sound-in-syncs' using some 
>> sort of encoding principle. Can someone versed in this, enlighten a 
>> faulty memory?
>>
>>
> Sound-in-syncs is applicable only to analogue TV transmission. It was 
> based on original BBC work that sampled the sound during each line 
> period, coded it as PCM and inserted the digital signal into the 
> line-sync period - a part of the signal that didn't convey any useful 
> information normally.
>
> There were various different versions, not all compatible, but working 
> on roughly the same basis and using NICAM transmission coding. This 
> was needed to provide some compansion? to the system, to keep the 
> bitrate within practical limits. Ignoring the variations between 
> systems, this was 14bit sampling reduced to 10-bit transmission using 
> a gain ranging approach.
>
> S-i-S had the massive benefit of cutting out the need for equalised 
> "music" lines between broadcast centres and transmitters. Sound was 
> inevitably "in-sync" since sound and picture used the same 
> distribution channel.
>
> Chris Wool
>
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 06:11:34 2023
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:11:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] NHS pressures
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There is a way around the problem of unnecessarily waiting for a discharge
from hospital. Just discharge yourself if you are fit enough to judge this
correctly. I used to do this after regular minor operations under general
anaesthetic, when they had said that I would be kept in overnight to make
sure that the effects of the anaesthetic had worn off. Leaving relatively
early enabled me to avoid an overnight stay in hospital.


One day, a nurse told me that doctors would never allow me to return home
on the day of an operation under GA. But, a few weeks later, the decision
was made that patients would be discharged as soon as they felt fit enough
to leave. That was, of course, fine with me. But, one day, they discharged
me soon after I had become semi-conscious, in spite of my protests, and
while I was struggling to understand what was being said to me and I had
double-vision. I remember being told that they needed the bed for another
patient. Because of this bad experience, I stopped going for regular
checkups for several years. I was handed back to the hospital by one of my
GPs when she discovered what had happened. I?m glad to say I?ve not had any
bad hospital experiences since then, in spite of pressure to vacate
hospital beds quickly probably being even greater these days. Fortunately,
my recent tests have shown that all is OK, and so they should soon cease.
But it is slightly alarming to learn that this is because the NHS has
recently cut the duration of tests for the condition I had from 10
all-clear years to only 5 years. I wonder if this is simply part of a
cost-cutting exercise, or whether there are purely medical grounds for this
change. Or perhaps it?s a result of leaving the EC. (I remember being told,
long ago, that as a result of joining the EC, I might have to have stricter
medical supervision if something that seemed trivial to me got any worse,
although nothing happened.)

KW

On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 at 01:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> You touched upon a topic which I was tempted to mention, but felt I had
> already spoken at too much length.
>
> Bed blocking has become a massive problem in hospitals.  A patient cannot
> be discharged unless there is adequate care provision for them. Care in the
> community has reduced to a much lower level than it used to be.  The money
> paid to carers is lower than that paid to CSWs ( see my previous comment
>  about Aldi paying much more ). If no care package is available, they can?t
> be discharged and therefore needlessly occupy a hospital bed.
>
> Much of what I?ve said about the NHS also applies to teachers.  My first
> wife gave up teaching long before her retirement age, my daughter was a
> deputy head at a very large school, but resigned when she was 40. The
> expected working hours were absurd. Thanks to certain newspapers, parents
> are often hostile or disrespectful towards teachers. There are constant
> regime changes and reorganisations, most of which are ill thought out.
> Morale is incredibly low. Four others in our blended family are starting
> careers in teaching, but are starting with the expectation that they will
> most likely resign long before retirement age.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 31 Dec 2022, at 23:56, B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com> wrote:
>
> ?I too have experienced the NHS from critical care where I very nearly
> died ( due to sepsis and not the NHS) right down to wards where people go
> just before going home. I have been on several wards where sadly I was the
> only one who I could have a conversation with. The hospitals are full of
> people who should be in other types of accommodation , stopping the medical
> hospitals getting on with their crucial task of making people better. My
> experience of the nurses was 95% positive and I would never do what some of
> them are asked to do for any money.
> The management situation reminds me of experiences at both the BBC and
> Granada where after three years or so in a particular management position
> people would move on or be politely asked to move on. They were never there
> long enough to take responsibility for their actions. New managers came in
> with ? New Plans? which all the minions knew would not work , but were put
> into place . No manager ever listened to those at the coal face who knew
> what was wrong.
> I have no solution for the NHS probably because there isn?t one as it is
> far to large to change. In my experience the smaller any organisation is
> the more efficient it is, no room for any unnecessary management posts to
> organise woke like trends that are appearing everywhere you look.
> Happy new year y?all , just remember to not break a leg ( twice) either at
> Xmas or NewYear like I did, it is certainly not the best place to be at
> those times.
> Stay warm.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 31 Dec 2022, at 22:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Thank you Alan for the insight. Your dissertation and indeed some of your
> earlier posts re NHS matters show the value of informed anecdotal material
> when it comes to attempting an understanding of what is happening at the
> coal-face. More telling than the welter of analyses and anonymous data we
> have been treated to over recent years ? not that these are without value
> of course.
>
> This last year I have spent significant time back and forth to hospitals
> on my own and other accounts. Much of what I have seen leaves me in no
> doubt of the dire straits the service is in but of course I have not been
> privy to the way any of the underlying issues are being dealt with. I know
> you write with reference to one particular hospital but it seems highly
> probable to me that similar ?management? strategy is widespread ? it
> certainly tallies with what I have observed.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 31, 2022 8:15 AM
> *To:* tech1
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] NHS pressures
>
> My sympathies for your loss and the resultant frustrations regarding
> getting people to do their jobs.  In our business, along with many others,
> we were used to working at any hour of any day, including Bank holidays. I
> find it very hard to accept that so many things have to shut down for about
> a fortnight every year.
>
> The NHS in most areas is having a massive problem with staff retention,
> compounded by very low levels of recruitment. The situation is made worse
> by local managers acting in unwise and insensitive ways while trying to
> tick boxes and meet targets.
>
> Janet works in a critical care ward which about a year ago was relocated
> and refurbished to provide six modern critical care beds. For critical
> care, the normal staffing should be one nurse per two patients, plus one
> auxiliary ( CSW ) for every three, therefore three nurses and two CSWs for
> those six patients . Since then, the bed managers have decided that as it?s
> a large ward, they can squeeze in more beds and there are now fourteen beds
> in there. The extra eight beds are general purpose beds, which means that
> patients requiring critical care, now have the comings and goings of
> ?normal? patients who are usually well enough to be quite demanding if they
> are the type of person who has a sense of entitlement by nature. Covid
> patients are no longer fully isolated from other patients and the
> ?ordinary? patients have visitors who may compromise the infection control
> procedures which ought to apply to critically ill patients .
>
> Standard staffing levels have increased by just one nurse and one CSW, for
> that increase from six to fourteen patients, but in reality, those minimum
> staffing levels have now become a target which it would be nice to meet.
> Most days there are shifts which cannot be filled.
>
> The solution is to try and get staff to work extra shifts, or to get staff
> who have recently left to work for other employers to come back for
> occasional shifts.  Each local authority has a web site listing shifts
> which remain empty.  People can opt to fill those particular shifts.  The
> Oxford Health trust generally lists about 70 such shifts every day. Many
> simply don?t get filled. They have to pay higher rates to fill these shifts
> than they would if staff were available in the first place. As a last
> resort, they employ agency staff at super-premium rates, which takes even
> more out of the budget.
>
> One of Janet?s ex colleagues now works for the police force. Her police
> training salary was significantly higher than her NHS salary. She
> occasionally volunteers to fill shifts in her old ward because she likes
> the other staff, is familiar with the work and knows that she can make an
> important contribution.  It?s also a great way to keep up to date with
> current procedures.  However the last time she turned up, she was then
> suddenly redeployed to a different ward because the sister in charge of
> that ward made a huge fuss about being understaffed, which left the
> Critical Care ward even more understaffed. She ended up doing very little
> work in that other ward that night because it was now fully staffed and
> happened to be an uneventful shift with no real emergencies..  When she
> returned to the Critical Care ward to get her belongings from the lockers,
> she was dismayed to find that the entire shift there had been hectic for
> various reasons, made worse by being well below the safe staffing level.
> She was absolutely furious and is now unlikely to offer to do any more such
> shifts if she doesn?t get to end up doing the work she agreed to do. On top
> of that, if she had agreed to do an extra shift in the police force
> instead, she would have been paid more.
>
> CSWs are particularly peeved these days because even a senior CSW with
> extra experience, training and responsibility is paid less than a newly
> recruited checkout assistant at Aldi. It?s little wonder that they are
> leaving to do other jobs.
>
> People doing office based NHS jobs are also leaving for similar reasons.
> The pay is now well below that of other employers, while the workload is
> increasing. Furthermore, every time a new Health Secretary is appointed by
> a new Prime Minister, they decide that what?s really needed is a
> reorganisation of the way that the NHS is managed.   They seem to be
> oblivious to the fact that each previous reorganisation has been chaotic
> and made things worse, but they believe that their magic reorganisation is
> going to be different ( hint: it never does make things better ).
>
> I can see parallels with how I used to despise BBC management for being
> out of touch and always coming up with ways to make our job less
> appealing.  The reason I left the BBC was more to do with issues regarding
> managers than anything else. I loved the work I was doing, but could see
> that I was feeling that the system was getting in the way of programme
> making and in particular it was getting in the way of enjoying making
> programmes. I felt that the BBC had reached a point where it could never
> recover. Little did I realise that over the next couple of decades, the BBC
> would get rid of its OB fleet, studios and even TVC.
>
> It?s the workers who get results.  If you have good workers, if you have
> enough of them and they are well motivated, you can do great things, but
> once that decline sets in, it?s a monumental task to make it better again.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30 Dec 2022, at 14:59, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Perhaps the worst year Hilary & I have ever coped with is drawing to its
> close. Going out much as it came in.
>
> My 81 year old sister died in hospital at 7.30 pm on Christmas Eve. It has
> taken six days for the bereavement office to obtain a doctor?s signature to
> issue the death certificate. The doctors are so stretched that finding one
> with time to get away from ward duties has taken this long. In the modern
> era the hospital bereavement office sends the certificate electronically to
> the County Registration HQ and I have been notified this was finally being
> done this afternoon. Of course an appointment is now necessary for me to
> attend at a Registry Office to formally register the death.
>
> There is no chance of an appointment slot being offered for today and the
> next day the service will be operating is Tuesday Jan 3rd ? 10 days after
> my sister?s demise when the standard rule is that a death should be
> registered within 5 days. This will be the third time I have had to do
> this, but it is 20 years since the last occasion and much has changed. In
> Somerset one can not now speak directly to any of the individual
> Registration Offices, you contact the central HQ in Taunton who, once they
> have ascertained that they have the Doctor?s certificate, will telephone
> with an an offer of an appointment.
>
> I did in fact telephone the Registration HQ on Tuesday, mistakenly
> believing the certificate would already be with them. I had driven to the
> hospital on Xmas Day morning where the ward staff gave me to understand the
> process was already under way. I suspect they did not realise the
> Bereavement Office (which performs the actual electronic transfer function)
> was closed over the holiday period in marked contrast to Funeral Directors
> who operate 24/7 regardless of date.
>
> All to no avail as the Reg. O was closed on Tuesday. The answer tape said
> ?the office is closed, our open times are Monday to Friday 9 am to 5.30
> pm?. Not a word about Christmas week or revised availability because of it.
> I did speak to them the following day, Wednesday, which was when I found
> out the Doctor?s certificate had not been sent. Accordingly the next day,
> Thursday, I rang the Hospital Bereavement Service. Two numbers were given,
> the first produced ?your call can not be taken?, the second was a message
> to the effect that Transport was unavailable. Central reception had no way
> of finding whether or not the Office was staffed that day, just knew that
> it should have been.
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> I?ll spare you the rest, it doesn?t get any better. Everyone you do speak
> to is nice and tries to be helpful so at no stage do you feel cross with
> anyone, just that one becomes worn out with the effort of it all. I have
> been coping a 12 month with awful fatigue post shingles and perhaps feel
> the problems more keenly because of that.
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> I am executor as well as next of kin so hope probate and administering the
> estate doesn?t pile up more problems. Not holding my breath.
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Jan  8 06:12:05 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:12:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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Thanks for all the info. about my out of sync problem.

It happens with DVD as well as Blu-ray, but only when using the 'Digital Out' phono. It's therefore something to do with the player, and not the Quad.  (Special subject, the bleedin' obvious....John Cleese?)

It's not mentioned in the (rather cursory) manual, so I looked in the net and found a section on 'Bravia Sync'.  'A-ha', thought I, but it turns out to be just controlling your TV with the player remote, not what I'm after at all.

I've just cheered myself up with the King Crimson CD ( 'In the Court of the Crimson King' ) via digital, where, obviously, the lag doesn't matter.

A bit of a revelation, I must say - precise and solid stereo image, effortless bass and clean top, and what joy, that drum break near the end of Track 5.....  It's what you get from a 200VA toroidal transformer and 2 x 15000mfd reservoir capacitors. No wonder it's so heavy for its size.

And good job we don't have much in the way of neighbours.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 8 Jan 2023, at 11:51, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> Reply to: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk <mailto:chris at chriswoolf.co.uk>
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> On 08/01/2023 09:50, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
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>> I remember a transmission system called 'sound-in-syncs' using some sort of encoding principle. Can someone versed in this, enlighten a faulty memory?
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 06:16:38 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:16:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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Long time ago, but weren't there different NICAM versions? The name was 
coined long before end user NICAM stereo.

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> Chris,
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> information normally.
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> on roughly the same basis and using NICAM transmission coding. This 
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> bitrate within practical limits. Ignoring the variations between 
> systems, this was 14bit sampling reduced to 10-bit transmission using 
> a gain ranging approach.
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> S-i-S had the massive benefit of cutting out the need for equalised 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 06:26:27 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:26:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] NHS pressures
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I've has three TURBT which is a relatively minor op (at least in my 
case) done under general anaesthetic. And in each case was told I'd be 
kept in overnight. Waking up after the first one, I felt just fine. Just 
hungry. I was allowed to go home shortly afterwards - just a few hours 
after waking up. They did check I could pee OK though, and insisted I 
was collected. Oddly, the walk to where the car was parked vastly longer 
than that to the bus stop I'd have used on my own. Much the same with 
the other two - one of which was done in a private clinic due to Covid - 
by by the same consultant.

On 08/01/2023 12:11, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
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> There is a way around the problem of unnecessarily waiting for a 
> discharge from hospital. Just discharge yourself if you are fit enough 
> to judge this correctly. I used to do this after regular minor 
> operations under general anaesthetic, when they had said that I would 
> be kept in overnight to make sure that the effects of the anaesthetic 
> had worn off. Leaving relatively early enabled me to avoid an 
> overnight stay in hospital.
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> One day, a nurse told me that doctors would never allow me to return 
> home on the day of an operation under GA. But, a few weeks later,the 
> decision was made that patients would be discharged as soon as they 
> felt fit enough to leave. That was, of course, fine with me. But, one 
> day, they discharged me soon after I had become semi-conscious, in 
> spite of my protests, and while I was struggling to understand what 
> was being said to me and I had double-vision. I remember being told 
> that they needed the bed for another patient. Because of this bad 
> experience, I stopped going for regular checkups for several years. I 
> was handed back to the hospital by one of my GPs when she discovered 
> what had happened. I?m glad to say I?ve not had any bad hospital 
> experiences since then, in spite of pressure to vacate hospital beds 
> quickly probably being even greater these days. Fortunately, my recent 
> tests have shown that all is OK, and so they should soon cease. But it 
> is slightly alarming to learn that this is because the NHS has 
> recently cut the duration of tests for the condition I had from 10 
> all-clear years to only 5 years. I wonder if this is simply part of a 
> cost-cutting exercise, or whether there are purely medical grounds for 
> this change. Or perhaps it?s a result of leaving the EC. (I remember 
> being told, long ago, that as a result of joining the EC, I might have 
> to have stricter medical supervision if something that seemed trivial 
> to me got any worse, although nothing happened.)
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> On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 at 01:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>     You touched upon a topic which I was tempted to mention, but felt
>     I had already spoken at too much length.
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>     Bed blocking has become a massive problem in hospitals.? A patient
>     cannot be discharged unless there is adequate care provision for
>     them. Care in the community has reduced to a much lower level than
>     it used to be.? The money paid to carers is lower than that paid
>     to CSWs ( see my previous comment ?about Aldi paying much more ).
>     If no care package is available, they can?t be discharged and
>     therefore needlessly occupy a hospital bed.
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>     Much of what I?ve said about the NHS also applies to teachers.? My
>     first wife gave up teaching long before her retirement age, my
>     daughter was a deputy head at a very large school, but resigned
>     when she was 40. The expected working hours were absurd. Thanks to
>     certain newspapers, parents are often hostile or disrespectful
>     towards teachers. There are constant regime changes and
>     reorganisations, most of which are ill thought out.? Morale is
>     incredibly low. Four others in our blended family are starting
>     careers in teaching, but are starting with the expectation that
>     they will most likely resign long before retirement age.
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>     Alan
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>>     On 31 Dec 2022, at 23:56, B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com>
>>     wrote:
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>>     ?I too have experienced the NHS from critical care where I very
>>     nearly died ( due to sepsis and not the NHS) right down to wards
>>     where people go just before going home. I have been on several
>>     wards where sadly I was the only one who I could have a
>>     conversation with. The hospitals are full of people who should be
>>     in other types of accommodation , stopping the medical hospitals
>>     getting on with their crucial task of making people better. My
>>     experience of the nurses was 95% positive and I would never do
>>     what some of them are asked to do for any money.
>>     The management situation reminds me of experiences at both the
>>     BBC and Granada where after three years or so in a particular
>>     management position people would move on or be politely asked to
>>     move on. They were never there long enough to take responsibility
>>     for their actions. New managers came in with ? New Plans? which
>>     all the minions knew would not work , but were put into place .
>>     No manager ever listened to those at the coal face who knew what
>>     was wrong.
>>     I have no solution for the NHS probably because there isn?t one
>>     as it is far to large to change. In my experience the smaller any
>>     organisation is the more efficient it is, no room for any
>>     unnecessary management posts to organise woke like trends that
>>     are appearing everywhere you look.
>>     Happy new year y?all , just remember to not break a leg ( twice)
>>     either at Xmas or NewYear like I did, it is certainly not the
>>     best place to be at those times.
>>     Stay warm.
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>>     Sent from my iPad
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>>>     On 31 Dec 2022, at 22:54, David Newbitt via Tech1
>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>     Thank you Alan for the insight. Your dissertation and indeed
>>>     some of your earlier posts re NHS matters show the value of
>>>     informed anecdotal material when it comes to attempting an
>>>     understanding of what is happening at the coal-face. More
>>>     telling than the welter of analyses and anonymous data we have
>>>     been treated to over recent years ? not that these are without
>>>     value of course.
>>>     This last year I have spent significant time back and forth to
>>>     hospitals on my own and other accounts. Much of what I have seen
>>>     leaves me in no doubt of the dire straits the service is in but
>>>     of course I have not been privy to the way any of the underlying
>>>     issues are being dealt with. I know you write with reference to
>>>     one particular hospital but it seems highly probable to me that
>>>     similar ?management? strategy is widespread ? it certainly
>>>     tallies with what I have observed.
>>>     Best wishes,
>>>     Dave Newbitt.
>>>     *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>>     *Sent:* Saturday, December 31, 2022 8:15 AM
>>>     *To:* tech1
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] NHS pressures
>>>     My sympathies for your loss and the resultant frustrations
>>>     regarding getting people to do their jobs.? In our business,
>>>     along with many others, we were used to working at any hour of
>>>     any day, including Bank holidays. I find it very hard to accept
>>>     that so many things have to shut down for about a fortnight
>>>     every year.
>>>     The NHS in most areas is having a massive problem with staff
>>>     retention, compounded by very low levels of recruitment. The
>>>     situation is made worse by local managers acting in unwise and
>>>     insensitive ways while trying to tick boxes and meet targets.
>>>     Janet works in a critical care ward which about a year ago was
>>>     relocated and refurbished to provide six modern critical care
>>>     beds. For critical care, the normal staffing should be one nurse
>>>     per two patients, plus one auxiliary ( CSW ) for every three,
>>>     therefore three nurses and two CSWs for those six patients .
>>>     Since then, the bed managers have decided that as it?s a large
>>>     ward, they can squeeze in more beds and there are now fourteen
>>>     beds in there. The extra eight beds are general purpose beds,
>>>     which means that patients requiring critical care, now have the
>>>     comings and goings of ?normal? patients who are usually well
>>>     enough to be quite demanding if they are the type of person who
>>>     has a sense of entitlement by nature. Covid patients are no
>>>     longer fully isolated from other patients and the ?ordinary?
>>>     patients have visitors who may compromise the infection control
>>>     procedures which ought to apply to critically ill patients .
>>>     Standard staffing levels have increased by just one nurse and
>>>     one CSW, for that increase from six to fourteen patients, but in
>>>     reality, those minimum staffing levels have now become a target
>>>     which it would be nice to meet. Most days there are shifts which
>>>     cannot be filled.
>>>     The solution is to try and get staff to work extra shifts, or to
>>>     get staff who have recently left to work for other employers to
>>>     come back for occasional shifts.? Each local authority has a web
>>>     site listing shifts which remain empty.? People can opt to fill
>>>     those particular shifts.? The Oxford Health trust generally
>>>     lists about 70 such shifts every day. Many simply don?t get
>>>     filled. They have to pay higher rates to fill these shifts than
>>>     they would if staff were available in the first place. As a last
>>>     resort, they employ agency staff at super-premium rates, which
>>>     takes even more out of the budget.
>>>     One of Janet?s ex colleagues now works for the police force. Her
>>>     police training salary was significantly higher than her NHS
>>>     salary. She occasionally volunteers to fill shifts in her old
>>>     ward because she likes the other staff, is familiar with the
>>>     work and knows that she can make an important contribution.?
>>>     It?s also a great way to keep up to date with current
>>>     procedures.? However the last time she turned up, she was then
>>>     suddenly redeployed to a different ward because the sister in
>>>     charge of that ward made a huge fuss about being understaffed,
>>>     which left the Critical Care ward even more understaffed. She
>>>     ended up doing very little work in that other ward that night
>>>     because it was now fully staffed and happened to be an
>>>     uneventful shift with no real emergencies..? When she returned
>>>     to the Critical Care ward to get her belongings from the
>>>     lockers, she was dismayed to find that the entire shift there
>>>     had been hectic for various reasons, made worse by being well
>>>     below the safe staffing level.? She was absolutely furious and
>>>     is now unlikely to offer to do any more such shifts if she
>>>     doesn?t get to end up doing the work she agreed to do. On top of
>>>     that, if she had agreed to do an extra shift in the police force
>>>     instead, she would have been paid more.
>>>     CSWs are particularly peeved these days because even a senior
>>>     CSW with extra experience, training and responsibility is paid
>>>     less than a newly recruited checkout assistant at Aldi. It?s
>>>     little wonder that they are leaving to do other jobs.
>>>     People doing office based NHS jobs are also leaving for similar
>>>     reasons. The pay is now well below that of other employers,
>>>     while the workload is increasing. Furthermore, every time a new
>>>     Health Secretary is appointed by a new Prime Minister, they
>>>     decide that what?s really needed is a reorganisation of the way
>>>     that the NHS is managed. They seem to be oblivious to the fact
>>>     that each previous reorganisation has been chaotic and made
>>>     things worse, but they believe that their magic reorganisation
>>>     is going to be different ( hint: it never does make things better ).
>>>     I can see parallels with how I used to despise BBC management
>>>     for being out of touch and always coming up with ways to make
>>>     our job less appealing.? The reason I left the BBC was more to
>>>     do with issues regarding managers than anything else. I loved
>>>     the work I was doing, but could see that I was feeling that the
>>>     system was getting in the way of programme making and in
>>>     particular it was getting in the way of enjoying making
>>>     programmes. I felt that the BBC had reached a point where it
>>>     could never recover. Little did I realise that over the next
>>>     couple of decades, the BBC would get rid of its OB fleet,
>>>     studios and even TVC.
>>>     It?s the workers who get results.? If you have good workers, if
>>>     you have enough of them and they are well motivated, you can do
>>>     great things, but once that decline sets in, it?s a monumental
>>>     task to make it better again.
>>>     Alan
>>>>     On 30 Dec 2022, at 14:59, David Newbitt via Tech1
>>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>>     Perhaps the worst year Hilary & I have ever coped with is
>>>>     drawing to its close. Going out much as it came in.
>>>>     My 81 year old sister died in hospital at 7.30 pm on Christmas
>>>>     Eve. It has taken six days for the bereavement office to obtain
>>>>     a doctor?s signature to issue the death certificate. The
>>>>     doctors are so stretched that finding one with time to get away
>>>>     from ward duties has taken this long. In the modern era the
>>>>     hospital bereavement office sends the certificate
>>>>     electronically to the County Registration HQ and I have been
>>>>     notified this was finally being done this afternoon. Of course
>>>>     an appointment is now necessary for me to attend at a Registry
>>>>     Office to formally register the death.
>>>>     There is no chance of an appointment slot being offered for
>>>>     today and the next day the service will be operating is Tuesday
>>>>     Jan 3rd ? 10 days after my sister?s demise when the standard
>>>>     rule is that a death should be registered within 5 days. This
>>>>     will be the third time I have had to do this, but it is 20
>>>>     years since the last occasion and much has changed. In Somerset
>>>>     one can not now speak directly to any of the individual
>>>>     Registration Offices, you contact the central HQ in Taunton
>>>>     who, once they have ascertained that they have the Doctor?s
>>>>     certificate, will telephone with an an offer of an appointment.
>>>>     I did in fact telephone the Registration HQ on Tuesday,
>>>>     mistakenly believing the certificate would already be with
>>>>     them. I had driven to the hospital on Xmas Day morning where
>>>>     the ward staff gave me to understand the process was already
>>>>     under way. I suspect they did not realise the Bereavement
>>>>     Office (which performs the actual electronic transfer function)
>>>>     was closed over the holiday period in marked contrast to
>>>>     Funeral Directors who operate 24/7 regardless of date.
>>>>     All to no avail as the Reg. O was closed on Tuesday. The answer
>>>>     tape said ?the office is closed, our open times are Monday to
>>>>     Friday 9 am to 5.30 pm?. Not a word about Christmas week or
>>>>     revised availability because of it. I did speak to them the
>>>>     following day, Wednesday, which was when I found out the
>>>>     Doctor?s certificate had not been sent. Accordingly the next
>>>>     day, Thursday, I rang the Hospital Bereavement Service. Two
>>>>     numbers were given, the first produced ?your call can not be
>>>>     taken?, the second was a message to the effect that Transport
>>>>     was unavailable. Central reception had no way of finding
>>>>     whether or not the Office was staffed that day, just knew that
>>>>     it should have been.
>>>>     I?ll spare you the rest, it doesn?t get any better. Everyone
>>>>     you do speak to is nice and tries to be helpful so at no stage
>>>>     do you feel cross with anyone, just that one becomes worn out
>>>>     with the effort of it all. I have been coping a 12 month with
>>>>     awful fatigue post shingles and perhaps feel the problems more
>>>>     keenly because of that.
>>>>     I am executor as well as next of kin so hope probate and
>>>>     administering the estate doesn?t pile up more problems. Not
>>>>     holding my breath.
>>>>     Dave Newbitt.
>>>>     -- 
>>>>     Tech1 mailing list
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Jan  8 06:26:22 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:26:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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Indeed. I phrased the reply badly - compansion was always needed, but 
NICAM only came in with the stereo distribution.

I think RE made the ITV system, and that was the one I was mainly 
involved with.

It always amazed me that the BBC and ITV didn't agree compatibility in 
these sort of areas.

Chris Woolf


On 08/01/2023 11:51, Paul Thackray wrote:
> Chris,
> The original mono sis was way before NIcam , it was linear with analog 
> companding.
> The 2 channel version for stereo did use Nicam, which did add a short 
> delay. The ITV and BBC systems were different and in compatible.
>
> Paul
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>
> Paul Thackray
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> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
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> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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> On 08/01/2023 09:50, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
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>> I remember a transmission system called 'sound-in-syncs' using some 
>> sort of encoding principle. Can someone versed in this, enlighten a 
>> faulty memory?
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> Sound-in-syncs is applicable only to analogue TV transmission. It was 
> based on original BBC work that sampled the sound during each line 
> period, coded it as PCM and inserted the digital signal into the 
> line-sync period - a part of the signal that didn't convey any useful 
> information normally.
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> There were various different versions, not all compatible, but working 
> on roughly the same basis and using NICAM transmission coding. This 
> was needed to provide some compansion? to the system, to keep the 
> bitrate within practical limits. Ignoring the variations between 
> systems, this was 14bit sampling reduced to 10-bit transmission using 
> a gain ranging approach.
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> S-i-S had the massive benefit of cutting out the need for equalised 
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> inevitably "in-sync" since sound and picture used the same 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Jan  8 07:05:03 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2023 13:05:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jan  8 07:08:12 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 13:08:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
In-Reply-To: <C3224E1E-35BE-469B-B9F6-FA2B6B21E3E0@me.com>
References: <34te2oro0fe74qvhmv117cmf.1673178704737@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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I got into Quad's as a result of the BBC having a staff discount with 
one of the installation firms in use at the time.
But having progressed from valve based amps (KT's?), which got awfully 
hot!), through 22's and 303 finally with 44 and 405,
the on/off switch failed so I sent both the units back to Huntingdon, 
where the 405 was upgraded with various mods, all
for the single service labour charge. (I think the parts were costed).

I still regret that they didn't incorporate a remote control - do the 
new versions have this?

I had a special flight case made by CP, who took over from Samcine, for 
the 44/405, as it was frequently used on playback jobs.
Even with a flap on the top to access the input adjustment switches of 
the 44.

Nick Ware sold me two BNS speakers (Dutch) which are superb (he reckoned 
that they reproduced a 32ft organ pipe pretty well).
But living in a flat means I cannot let them rip!
Best
Pat
/(I voted Leave, but changing my mind - maybe De Gaull was right!)/


On 08/01/2023 12:12, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Thanks for all the info. about my out of sync problem.
>
> It happens with DVD as well as Blu-ray, but only when using the 
> 'Digital Out' phono. It's therefore something to do with the player, 
> and not the Quad. ?(Special subject, the bleedin' obvious....John Cleese?)
>
> It's not mentioned in the (rather cursory) manual, so I looked in the 
> net and found a section on 'Bravia Sync'. ?'A-ha', thought I, but it 
> turns out to be just controlling your TV with the player remote, not 
> what I'm after at all.
>
> I've just cheered myself up with the King Crimson CD ( 'In the Court 
> of the Crimson King' ) via digital, where, obviously, the lag doesn't 
> matter.
>
> A bit of a revelation, I must say - precise and solid stereo image, 
> effortless bass and clean top, and what joy, that drum break near the 
> end of Track 5..... ?It's what you get from a 200VA toroidal 
> transformer and 2 x 15000mfd reservoir capacitors. No wonder it's so 
> heavy for its size.
>
> And good job we don't have much in the way of neighbours.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*/
>
>
>
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 11:51, Paul Thackray via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Chris,
>> The original mono sis was way before NIcam , it was linear with 
>> analog companding.
>> The 2 channel version for stereo did use Nicam, which did add a short 
>> delay. The ITV and BBC systems were different and in compatible.
>>
>> Paul
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>> Paul Thackray
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>> 07802 243979
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>> Mail;paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
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>> Web;http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
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>> Linkedin;http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
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>> *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Reply to:*chris at chriswoolf.co.uk
>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/01/2023 09:50, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> ....
>>>
>>> I remember a transmission system called 'sound-in-syncs' using some 
>>> sort of encoding principle. Can someone versed in this, enlighten a 
>>> faulty memory?
>>>
>>>
>> Sound-in-syncs is applicable only to analogue TV transmission. It was 
>> based on original BBC work that sampled the sound during each line 
>> period, coded it as PCM and inserted the digital signal into the 
>> line-sync period - a part of the signal that didn't convey any useful 
>> information normally.
>>
>> There were various different versions, not all compatible, but 
>> working on roughly the same basis and using NICAM transmission 
>> coding. This was needed to provide some compansion? to the system, to 
>> keep the bitrate within practical limits. Ignoring the variations 
>> between systems, this was 14bit sampling reduced to 10-bit 
>> transmission using a gain ranging approach.
>>
>> S-i-S had the massive benefit of cutting out the need for equalised 
>> "music" lines between broadcast centres and transmitters. Sound was 
>> inevitably "in-sync" since sound and picture used the same 
>> distribution channel.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Jan  8 07:18:40 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 13:18:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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On 08/01/2023 13:08, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> /(I voted Leave, but changing my mind - maybe De Gaull was right!)/


My admiration, sir, for being one of the earlier ones to publicly admit 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Jan  8 08:06:14 2023
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:06:14 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
In-Reply-To: <582c588d-8405-2427-3c17-82ff27434111@amps.net>
References: <34te2oro0fe74qvhmv117cmf.1673178704737@pgtmedia.co.uk><C3224E1E-35BE-469B-B9F6-FA2B6B21E3E0@me.com>
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Mentioning Quads, I have just been pressed to do something about a youngish relations HUGE audio rack built by a neighbour some years ago. Almost takes the whole sitting room in his tiny Acton house what with 2 huge speakers.
It is all almost home made wood panel framed about the size of a small filing cabinet and contains a Garrard 401 turntable, a Quad 33 pre-amp, Quad 33 turner (both panel mounted in special frames) and of course a 303 main amp and a space for a tape deck.
It hasn?t been turned on for years and took me some time to sort out internal cabling including mains wire splitters insulated with elastoplast and amazingly 4pin DINs (yes and almost square layout I had never seen before)
The turntable seems to work ? despite the deck plate falling off when all squeezed into my car boot. What an amazing huge deep device. Los like even the cartridges are still available.
Amps seemed to work (after bodging plugs wired to my LS3/5 spare speakers. But then suddenly one side all bad hum!
Pit to one side at present awaiting time and keenness.
I was amazed doing a google search that the turntables go for anything between ?500 and 1,000. Not sure of worth of amps.
Might have to sort the TT and cut top 12? off the box to keep just that.
Not sure who would want the amps.
Might just have to convince him to buy a new cheap TT. Then offer him some of my almost 180 discs living under the stairs!

Ah well.

Mike

From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2023 1:08 PM
To: Alasdair Lawrance ; Paul Thackray 
Cc: Tech Ops List 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD

I got into Quad's as a result of the BBC having a staff discount with one of the installation firms in use at the time.
But having progressed from valve based amps (KT's?), which got awfully hot!), through 22's and 303 finally with 44 and 405,
the on/off switch failed so I sent both the units back to Huntingdon, where the 405 was upgraded with various mods, all
for the single service labour charge. (I think the parts were costed).

I still regret that they didn't incorporate a remote control - do the new versions have this?

I had a special flight case made by CP, who took over from Samcine, for the 44/405, as it was frequently used on playback jobs.
Even with a flap on the top to access the input adjustment switches of the 44.

Nick Ware sold me two BNS speakers (Dutch) which are superb (he reckoned that they reproduced a 32ft organ pipe pretty well).
But living in a flat means I cannot let them rip!
Best
Pat

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Jan  8 08:09:08 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:09:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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Yes, Pat, it does have a remote. The guy I bought it from via e-bay obviously didn't use ti - the battery was dead!)

I was partly impressed by the lack of Bass/treble/loudness and other such frippery in the Vena.

Perhaps it's getting closer to Peter Walker's definition of an amplifier - "A straight piece of wire with gain".

It's always amused me, that.

I don't wish to go on about it, but here's a link to Quad <https://www.quad-hifi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/QH-Catalogue-91224.pdf> if you're interested, and the Hi-fi News review <https://www.hifinews.com/content/quad-vena-ii-integrated-amp> of the Vena 2. There is a later version of the amp, Vena 2 Playing, which incorporates direct access to Spotify and other streaming services. My previous model requires a laptop or suchlike to do that.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 8 Jan 2023, at 13:08, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> I got into Quad's as a result of the BBC having a staff discount with one of the installation firms in use at the time.
> But having progressed from valve based amps (KT's?), which got awfully hot!), through 22's and 303 finally with 44 and 405,
> the on/off switch failed so I sent both the units back to Huntingdon, where the 405 was upgraded with various mods, all
> for the single service labour charge. (I think the parts were costed).
> 
> I still regret that they didn't incorporate a remote control - do the new versions have this?
> 
> I had a special flight case made by CP, who took over from Samcine, for the 44/405, as it was frequently used on playback jobs.
> Even with a flap on the top to access the input adjustment switches of the 44.
> 
> Nick Ware sold me two BNS speakers (Dutch) which are superb (he reckoned that they reproduced a 32ft organ pipe pretty well).
> But living in a flat means I cannot let them rip!
> Best
> Pat
> (I voted Leave, but changing my mind - maybe De Gaull was right!)
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/01/2023 12:12, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>> Thanks for all the info. about my out of sync problem.
>> 
>> It happens with DVD as well as Blu-ray, but only when using the 'Digital Out' phono. It's therefore something to do with the player, and not the Quad.  (Special subject, the bleedin' obvious....John Cleese?)
>> 
>> It's not mentioned in the (rather cursory) manual, so I looked in the net and found a section on 'Bravia Sync'.  'A-ha', thought I, but it turns out to be just controlling your TV with the player remote, not what I'm after at all.
>> 
>> I've just cheered myself up with the King Crimson CD ( 'In the Court of the Crimson King' ) via digital, where, obviously, the lag doesn't matter.
>> 
>> A bit of a revelation, I must say - precise and solid stereo image, effortless bass and clean top, and what joy, that drum break near the end of Track 5.....  It's what you get from a 200VA toroidal transformer and 2 x 15000mfd reservoir capacitors. No wonder it's so heavy for its size.
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>> And good job we don't have much in the way of neighbours.
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>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
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>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
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>>> Chris,
>>> The original mono sis was way before NIcam , it was linear with analog companding. 
>>> The 2 channel version for stereo did use Nicam, which did add a short delay. The ITV and BBC systems were different and in compatible. 
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>>> Paul Thackray
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>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
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>>> 07802 243979
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>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>>> 
>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk/>
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>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746>
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>>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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>>> Reply to: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk <mailto:chris at chriswoolf.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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>>> On 08/01/2023 09:50, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> ....
>>>> I remember a transmission system called 'sound-in-syncs' using some sort of encoding principle. Can someone versed in this, enlighten a faulty memory?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Sound-in-syncs is applicable only to analogue TV transmission. It was based on original BBC work that sampled the sound during each line period, coded it as PCM and inserted the digital signal into the line-sync period - a part of the signal that didn't convey any useful information normally.
>>> 
>>> There were various different versions, not all compatible, but working on roughly the same basis and using NICAM transmission coding. This was needed to provide some compansion  to the system, to keep the bitrate within practical limits. Ignoring the variations between systems, this was 14bit sampling reduced to 10-bit transmission using a gain ranging approach. 
>>> 
>>> S-i-S had the massive benefit of cutting out the need for equalised "music" lines between broadcast centres and transmitters. Sound was inevitably "in-sync" since sound and picture used the same distribution channel. 
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk <http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 08:26:24 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2023 14:26:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
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The 4 pin DIN were used simply to make plugging up by an amateur as fool 
proof as possible. As the Quad stuff came with all the leads necessary.

On 08/01/2023 14:06, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> Mentioning Quads, I have just been pressed to do something about a 
> youngish relations HUGE audio rack built by a neighbour some years 
> ago. Almost takes the whole sitting room in his tiny Acton house what 
> with 2 huge speakers.
> It is all almost home made wood panel framed about the size of a small 
> filing cabinet and contains a Garrard 401 turntable, a Quad 33 
> pre-amp, Quad 33 turner (both panel mounted in special frames) and of 
> course a 303 main amp and a space for a tape deck.
> It hasn?t been turned on for years and took me some time to sort out 
> internal cabling including mains wire splitters insulated with 
> elastoplast and amazingly 4pin DINs (yes and almost square layout I 
> had never seen before)
> The turntable seems to work ? despite the deck plate falling off when 
> all squeezed into my car boot. What an amazing huge deep device. Los 
> like even the cartridges are still available.
> Amps seemed to work (after bodging plugs wired to my LS3/5 spare 
> speakers. But then suddenly one side all bad hum!
> Pit to one side at present awaiting time and keenness.
> I was amazed doing a google search that the turntables go for anything 
> between ?500 and 1,000. Not sure of worth of amps.
> Might have to sort the TT and cut top 12? off the box to keep just that.
> Not sure who would want the amps.
> Might just have to convince him to buy a new cheap TT. Then offer him 
> some of my almost 180 discs living under the stairs!
> Ah well.
> Mike
> *From:* Pat Heigham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2023 1:08 PM
> *To:* Alasdair Lawrance <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com> ; Paul Thackray 
> <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
> *Cc:* Tech Ops List <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Out-of- sync sound from DVD/BD
>
> I got into Quad's as a result of the BBC having a staff discount with 
> one of the installation firms in use at the time.
> But having progressed from valve based amps (KT's?), which got awfully 
> hot!), through 22's and 303 finally with 44 and 405,
> the on/off switch failed so I sent both the units back to Huntingdon, 
> where the 405 was upgraded with various mods, all
> for the single service labour charge. (I think the parts were costed).
>
> I still regret that they didn't incorporate a remote control - do the 
> new versions have this?
>
> I had a special flight case made by CP, who took over from Samcine, 
> for the 44/405, as it was frequently used on playback jobs.
> Even with a flap on the top to access the input adjustment switches of 
> the 44.
>
> Nick Ware sold me two BNS speakers (Dutch) which are superb (he 
> reckoned that they reproduced a 32ft organ pipe pretty well).
> But living in a flat means I cannot let them rip!
> Best
> Pat
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jan 11 03:25:37 2023
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:25:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Louise Wilcox
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Very sad to hear about Louise a very nice and competent Audio 
Supervisor. I seem to remeber a Roger Wilcox in Brum as well, were they 
together at one point? Regards, Dave


From tonynuttall at me.com  Wed Jan 11 08:39:40 2023
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:39:40 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Interest In East European History 1985-1999 TRAUMA ZONE.
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Hi Folks,If you have an interest in Eastern Europe and Rusia this is great series. No voice overs, just"supers" giving the location of the items concerned. Recomended by Petroc Trelawny of R3. Not seen a ?trail for it on any BBC TV Channel although it is a BBC Production!:-Superb series on BBC iPlayer RUSSIA 1985 to 1999:-TRAUMAZONE. 7 Episodes. It records the fall of COMMUNISUM and DEMORACY in Rusia & the Eastern Block. Produced by Adam Curtis. Should get a BAFTA in my opinion.Tony N,  in the wilds of Cumbria
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jan 11 09:35:27 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 15:35:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Louise Wilcox (Willcox)
In-Reply-To: <7a3b653d-ee31-e6fa-1f5e-496a1bf32732@btinternet.com>
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Yes it was a shock to us all. Louise was very much involved in IPS committee matters, and a frequent contributor on the IPSNET and IPSCHAT mail forums and Workplace groups.
Much respected and loved by all who knew and worked with her. The following link was put on IPS forums together with plans for a commemorative anecdotal offering in her memory.
See: https://rememberancebook.net/book/Louise-willcox/
Or read more at: https://www.dwrassociates.co.uk/memorial/
I only met Louise on a few occasions. Never, as far as I can remember, actually working with her, but it is a sad loss nevertheless.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 11 Jan 2023, at 09:25, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Very sad to hear about Louise a very nice and competent Audio Supervisor. I seem to remeber a Roger Wilcox in Brum as well, were they together at one point? Regards, Dave
> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Jan 11 09:46:25 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 15:46:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Interest In East European History 1985-1999 TRAUMA ZONE.
In-Reply-To: <915c9af8-0541-4c42-8f45-84c90d6e54ab@me.com>
References: <915c9af8-0541-4c42-8f45-84c90d6e54ab@me.com>
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We watched it first time round, and we were both open mouthed.   A 'must see' if you're at all interested, and it's most instructive considering what's happening in the UK.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 11 Jan 2023, at 14:40, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Hi Folks,
> If you have an interest in Eastern Europe and Rusia this is great series. No voice overs, just
> "supers" giving the location of the items concerned. Recomended by Petroc Trelawny of R3. 
> Not seen a  trail for it on any BBC TV Channel although it is a BBC Production!:-
> 
> Superb series on BBC iPlayer RUSSIA 1985 to 1999:-TRAUMAZONE. 7 Episodes. It records the fall of COMMUNISUM and DEMORACY in Rusia & the Eastern Block. Produced by Adam Curtis. Should get a BAFTA in my opinion.
> 
> Tony N,  in the wilds of Cumbria
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 11 10:01:04 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 16:01:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cost of living rant
Message-ID: <c20902d7-445f-84a6-a5e6-65e22ccdbaec@amps.net>

Rant of the Day:

*Cost of living*

Much of the rise in the cost of living has to be at the doors of the 
high street stores - mostly groceries?
My local Co-op - a pint of semi-skimmed milk used to be 50-52p, now 1.05.

How is this justified, and how much gets passed on to the dairy farmer? 
More cheaper feed for his animals?

I suspect that a bandwagon is being jumped on after the delivery 
difficulties due to Covid - Oh what
a convenient excuse!

OK, I also shop at M & S and Waitrose - both expensive, but the product 
is good.
The shelves in my local Co-op resemble those I saw in East Germany 
before the wall came down -
like empty!

Time for a Watchdog programme - where is Esther when we need her?

Pat
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 11 10:09:29 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 16:09:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Interest In East European History 1985-1999 TRAUMA ZONE.
In-Reply-To: <915c9af8-0541-4c42-8f45-84c90d6e54ab@me.com>
References: <915c9af8-0541-4c42-8f45-84c90d6e54ab@me.com>
Message-ID: <d3395e2e-090a-c37f-8f08-b3bce1911188@amps.net>

Tony N,

Your spelling is excruciating - go directly toLubyanka - do not pass 
Kremlin, do not collect 200 roubles!

Pat

On 11/01/2023 14:39, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> If you have an interest in Eastern Europe and Rusia this is great 
> series. No voice overs, just
> "supers" giving the location of the items concerned. Recomended by 
> Petroc Trelawny of R3.
> Not seen a ?trail for it on any BBC TV Channel although it is a BBC 
> Production!:-
>
> Superb series on BBC iPlayer RUSSIA 1985 to 1999:-TRAUMAZONE. 7 
> Episodes. It records the fall of COMMUNISUM and DEMORACY in Rusia & 
> the Eastern Block. Produced by Adam Curtis. Should get a BAFTA in my 
> opinion.
>
> Tony N, in the wilds of Cumbria
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jan 11 10:50:42 2023
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 16:50:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Interest In East European History 1985-1999 TRAUMA ZONE.
In-Reply-To: <d3395e2e-090a-c37f-8f08-b3bce1911188@amps.net>
References: <915c9af8-0541-4c42-8f45-84c90d6e54ab@me.com>
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That was a very rude comment Pat, not everyone is as perfect as you! 
Cheers, Dave


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 11 10:56:12 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 16:56:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Interest In East European History 1985-1999 TRAUMA ZONE.
In-Reply-To: <441c8585-6955-e23e-7599-79cdc2527ad8@btinternet.com>
References: <915c9af8-0541-4c42-8f45-84c90d6e54ab@me.com>
	<d3395e2e-090a-c37f-8f08-b3bce1911188@amps.net>
	<441c8585-6955-e23e-7599-79cdc2527ad8@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <f593cd83-78f2-d0dc-19b6-f84624ab2675@amps.net>

No it wasn't.
Where's your sense of humour?

Pat


On 11/01/2023 16:50, dave.mdv wrote:
> That was a very rude comment Pat, not everyone is as perfect as you! 
> Cheers, Dave
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Jan 11 11:12:50 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 17:12:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cost of living rant
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References: <c20902d7-445f-84a6-a5e6-65e22ccdbaec@amps.net>
Message-ID: <4998c9a9-20ba-6dfe-710b-2e75a8a1ca6a@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 11/01/2023 16:01, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Rant of the Day:
>
> *Cost of living*
>
> ...
> My local Co-op - a pint of semi-skimmed milk used to be 50-52p, now 1.05.
>
> How is this justified, and how much gets passed on to the dairy 
> farmer? More cheaper feed for his animals?
>
>
You clearly don't know how much fertiliser and stockfeed has gone up! 
They've increased a lot more than your milk;}

Chris Woolf
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Jan 11 11:23:10 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 17:23:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cost of living rant
In-Reply-To: <c20902d7-445f-84a6-a5e6-65e22ccdbaec@amps.net>
References: <c20902d7-445f-84a6-a5e6-65e22ccdbaec@amps.net>
Message-ID: <ca9e6340-58b9-1088-d69b-e2c198404f89@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 11/01/2023 16:01, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> OK, I also shop at M & S and Waitrose - both expensive, but the 
> product is good.
> The shelves in my local Co-op resemble those I saw in East Germany 
> before the wall came down -
> like empty!
>
>
Interesting. We use a Waitrose delivery, but also shop at the local 
Co-op. In many areas - particularly fresh vegetables - the Co-op quality 
is usually better than Waitrose. Same with items such as fresh cream and 
fresh pastries. Stock levels are pretty well equal in both shops.

M&S food is usually very good, but they slip up on certain items - their 
own label crisps often have a rancid oil taste.

Chris Woolf
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jan 11 11:59:47 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 17:59:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cost of living rant
In-Reply-To: <ca9e6340-58b9-1088-d69b-e2c198404f89@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <ca9e6340-58b9-1088-d69b-e2c198404f89@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5AE23518-A33E-4CD2-8484-6DB27A24B4AB@me.com>

There seems to be regional differences between shops and their stock levels.

Our nearest shop is a Co-op and is consistently pretty well stocked. Fresh fruit & veg are of good quality and the bakery section is great if you get there before it?s all gone. Prices in the Co-op are all over the show. Some things are excellent value, while others seem rather expensive. 

Tesco has had some major shortages for the last couple of weeks.  Virtually no rice, eggs are scarce, few mushrooms and there have been no cans of coconut milk for a while. They have closed down their wet fish, fresh meat and deli counters during the last year or so. 

Tesco has become so unreliable that I now go straight to the shelves for any  critically important things which I need.  If they don?t have them, I walk out and do my entire shop at Morrisons or Sainsbury's instead. My elderly neighbour gets Tesco to deliver her shopping and she?s getting rather peeved at the number of substitutions or out of stock items. She will frequently text me a list of a few missing items which she would appreciate me getting for her if I see them when I?m next in a shop.

If you shop at Aldi or Lidl, you know that you can?t expect to do your entire household shop there. A few things need to be got from a conventional supermarket. We know that and accept it as part of the deal.  The same applies to a convenience store ( which I regard my Co-op to be ). But a big superstore is supposed to stock everything all the time and if it doesn?t, then it makes more sense to do the entire shop at a different one.  We?re quite fortunate in having large stores for Tesco, Waitrose, Sainsbury, Morrisons and M&S all within 5-10 minutes of each other. No Asda though, which possibly explains why petrol prices are rather higher here than in nearby towns.

Alan


> On 11 Jan 2023, at 17:23, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> On 11/01/2023 16:01, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I also shop at M & S and Waitrose - both expensive, but the product is good.
>> The shelves in my local Co-op resemble those I saw in East Germany before the wall came down -
>> like empty!
>> 
>> 
> Interesting. We use a Waitrose delivery, but also shop at the local Co-op. In many areas - particularly fresh vegetables - the Co-op quality is usually better than Waitrose. Same with items such as fresh cream and fresh pastries. Stock levels are pretty well equal in both shops.
> 
> M&S food is usually very good, but they slip up on certain items - their own label crisps often have a rancid oil taste.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 11 12:24:13 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 18:24:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cost of living rant
In-Reply-To: <ca9e6340-58b9-1088-d69b-e2c198404f89@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <c20902d7-445f-84a6-a5e6-65e22ccdbaec@amps.net>
	<ca9e6340-58b9-1088-d69b-e2c198404f89@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Sadly, where I live the Co-Op quality does not match that of M & S or 
Waitrose.

We do have the fortunate facility of a dedicated, independent 
greengrocer who goes every day at 4 AM to Nine Elms for fresh stock.
People come from various nearby villages to shop there.
Also, dedicated bakers. too.

When my parents first moved to this same village, we had a lovely 
Victoria plum tree, and sold the then (different) greengrocer
the excess fruit that the wasps had left. He sold it at twice the price 
paid!
Today's shopping displays allow one to pick and choose exactly what is 
wanted. None of the serving of rotten stuff from the back!
My mother always insisted on tipping out the punnets of 
strawberries/raspberries to make sure, and the grocer never forgot that!

My local Waitrose is a large store, as is an M & S Food Hall, but I use 
a Simply Food outlet at a petrol station as a rule.

The latter has shoppers' parking spaces, threatening huge fines for 
excess time beyond 30 mins. There are now two electric
charging points, so I wonder how that will work!

Pat


On 11/01/2023 17:23, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> On 11/01/2023 16:01, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> OK, I also shop at M & S and Waitrose - both expensive, but the 
>> product is good.
>>
>> The shelves in my local Co-op resemble those I saw in East Germany 
>> before the wall came down -
>> like empty!
>>
>>
> Interesting. We use a Waitrose delivery, but also shop at the local 
> Co-op. In many areas - particularly fresh vegetables - the Co-op 
> quality is usually better than Waitrose. Same with items such as fresh 
> cream and fresh pastries. Stock levels are pretty well equal in both 
> shops.
>
> M&S food is usually very good, but they slip up on certain items - 
> their own label crisps often have a rancid oil taste.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 11 13:09:42 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 19:09:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cost of living rant
In-Reply-To: <5AE23518-A33E-4CD2-8484-6DB27A24B4AB@me.com>
References: <ca9e6340-58b9-1088-d69b-e2c198404f89@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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There is a Lidl near me, which I've never used. My friends in Somerset 
do have one, though, but the stock is never dependably the same week by 
week.

Sainsbury's near me will refund the multistory car park charges. But I 
don't mind forking out 50p for an hour in the M & S Food Hall's village 
park, provided
the check-out queue is fast.

Living in the country has its 'for and against'. Local friends have farm 
shops adjacent and Somerset friends have a village shop, run by volunteers,
which also has a Post Office counter! Their next village has the 
pharmacy and a small Co-op which I now believe to be a Budgens.

Otherwise they do a big shop at Morrisons in Yeovil.
Years ago, I shot a corporate video, comparing supermarkets between UK 
and the continent.
Fascinating, we went to France, Germany and Belgium, but I cannot 
remember the point of it!
We flew from Paris to Brussels, whereas the director was keen to drive 
his Porsche. He arrived at our lodgings at dinner
to witness us tucking in to smoked salmon starter.

He was objecting to cost, whereupon the spark announced that he would 
expect to eat as well as at home.
The client remarked: "Well I expect to eat better!"

Pat


On 11/01/2023 17:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> There seems to be regional differences between shops and their stock 
> levels.
>
> Our nearest shop is a Co-op and is consistently pretty well stocked. 
> Fresh fruit & veg are of good quality and the bakery section is great 
> if you get there before it?s all gone. Prices in the Co-op are all 
> over the show. Some things are excellent value, while others seem 
> rather expensive.
>
> Tesco has had some major shortages for the last couple of weeks. 
> ?Virtually no rice, eggs are scarce, few mushrooms and there have been 
> no cans of coconut milk for a while. They have closed down their wet 
> fish, fresh meat and deli counters during the last year or so.
>
> Tesco has become so unreliable that I now go straight to the shelves 
> for any ?critically important things which I need. ?If they don?t have 
> them, I walk out and do my entire shop at Morrisons or Sainsbury's 
> instead. My elderly neighbour gets Tesco to deliver her shopping and 
> she?s getting rather peeved at the number of substitutions or out of 
> stock items. She will frequently text me a list of a few missing items 
> which she would appreciate me getting for her if I see them when I?m 
> next in a shop.
>
> If you shop at Aldi or Lidl, you know that you can?t expect to do your 
> entire household shop there. A few things need to be got from a 
> conventional supermarket. We know that and accept it as part of the 
> deal. ?The same applies to a convenience store ( which I regard my 
> Co-op to be ). But a big superstore is supposed to stock everything 
> all the time and if it doesn?t, then it makes more sense to do the 
> entire shop at a different one. ?We?re quite fortunate in having large 
> stores for Tesco, Waitrose, Sainsbury, Morrisons and M&S all within 
> 5-10 minutes of each other. No Asda though, which possibly explains 
> why petrol prices are rather higher here than in nearby towns.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 11 Jan 2023, at 17:23, Chris Woolf via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>> On 11/01/2023 16:01, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, I also shop at M & S and Waitrose - both expensive, but the 
>>> product is good.
>>> The shelves in my local Co-op resemble those I saw in East Germany 
>>> before the wall came down -
>>> like empty!
>>>
>>>
>> Interesting. We use a Waitrose delivery, but also shop at the local 
>> Co-op. In many areas - particularly fresh vegetables - the Co-op 
>> quality is usually better than Waitrose. Same with items such as 
>> fresh cream and fresh pastries. Stock levels are pretty well equal in 
>> both shops.
>>
>> M&S food is usually very good, but they slip up on certain items - 
>> their own label crisps often have a rancid oil taste.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed Jan 11 14:01:01 2023
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 20:01:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Floating Chairs
Message-ID: <44E54ACB-07F0-487C-B6AB-AB656CF3DA5A@howell61.f9.co.uk>

Did anyone notice the chairs in the interview with the young cellist bobbing around during the interview with the young cellist on SE @6? Assad's was the worst, made me feel quite ill. I 'spose the cameras were on 'fluid heads'!

Hibou.


From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jan 11 14:54:39 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 20:54:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Floating Chairs
In-Reply-To: <44E54ACB-07F0-487C-B6AB-AB656CF3DA5A@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <44E54ACB-07F0-487C-B6AB-AB656CF3DA5A@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604316D19E34BDEB289550DA7FC9@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Didn?t see the cellist, but?.
I?m a huge fan of Silent Witness. Last night?s episode though, contained some of the worst wobblycam I?ve ever seen. I can?t even begin to imagine how anyone can think that?s in any way creative, or adds anything to the production in any way at all. The rest of it was fine.
Are there any camera folk here who still do that kind of thing? From a purely professional pride point of view, I?m curious to know how they feel about being asked to do this? To me it?s shoddy amateurism of the worst possible order.
What does the team think?
And while we?re about it, the picture format. Not quite 16x9, so what does a black border top and bottom, and cut-off head tops bring to the party? Made for TV, and never going to be seen anywhere other than on a 16x9 TV screen, so why?
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 11 Jan 2023, at 20:01, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Did anyone notice the chairs in the interview with the young cellist bobbing around during the interview with the young cellist on SE @6? Assad's was the worst, made me feel quite ill. I 'spose the cameras were on 'fluid heads'!
> 
> Hibou.
> 
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 11 17:22:24 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 23:22:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!
Message-ID: <edc35c47-832a-27b6-5fc0-8971d5516bc1@amps.net>

*Things that gets one's goat*

Glossy covered paperwork ? which, when piled up slide around and fall in 
a heap.

Microsoft pop-ups -supposedly helpful. They are NOT.

Screen pop-ups which have no connection with that which is being worked 
upon.

Being behind a bank customer with all the problems in the world, and the 
other cashiers are busying themselves with paperwork instead of dealing 
with queueing customers.

Banks closing local branches.

Medical/Optical practitioners who keep you waiting when you have turned 
up on time.
(I will then take as long as I can for my appointment! GP?s only allow 
10 mins, if you can get an appointment at all!).

Phone menus! (Why isn?t here a fast one that invites you to press zero 
for a real person?)
Because you revert to the end of the queue?

Call centres in foreign countries whose speech is not understandable. 
Even in UK ones, as a sound man, I often ask them to adjust the headset mic!

Temporary traffic lights holding up traffic at roadworks where there is 
patently no evidence of any work being done.

*Come on folks, there must be others!*

Pat (grumpy mode, but intended as a bit of a laugh).*
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 17:52:15 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 23:52:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Floating Chairs
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I've just watched the first pair if the new series of SW tonight. And 
too much wobblecam. And shot too tight - I want to see where the money 
was spent. Far too many cuts too - in an attempt to give it pace. And 
that truly dreadful background music droning on and on - and I like 
music when well written and use sparingly. That and the wrong aspect 
ratio an attempt to make it what it simply isn't. Quite a disappointment 
as I'm a fan of the series.

On 11/01/2023 20:54, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Didn?t see the cellist, but?.
> I?m a huge fan of Silent Witness. Last night?s episode though, contained some of the worst wobblycam I?ve ever seen. I can?t even begin to imagine how anyone can think that?s in any way creative, or adds anything to the production in any way at all. The rest of it was fine.
> Are there any camera folk here who still do that kind of thing? From a purely professional pride point of view, I?m curious to know how they feel about being asked to do this? To me it?s shoddy amateurism of the worst possible order.
> What does the team think?
> And while we?re about it, the picture format. Not quite 16x9, so what does a black border top and bottom, and cut-off head tops bring to the party? Made for TV, and never going to be seen anywhere other than on a 16x9 TV screen, so why?
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 11 Jan 2023, at 20:01, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Did anyone notice the chairs in the interview with the young cellist bobbing around during the interview with the young cellist on SE @6? Assad's was the worst, made me feel quite ill. I 'spose the cameras were on 'fluid heads'!
>>
>> Hibou.
>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jan 12 08:14:56 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 14:14:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!
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Glossy paperwork - stop buying those naughty magazines!

Microsoft pop-ups - click on notification icon bottom right of your toolbar, click ?all settings? and disable as you wish. Done.

Other pop-ups, presumably adverts. - install Adguard. Done.

Banks - don't go there. I think the last time I actually went into a bank was probably about ten years ago.

Medical - remember that you are not their only patient!

Menus - agree. BOTs, call centres and options that don?t cover your enquiry topic are a pain in the BUT.

Temp traffic lights - yes, a little Co-ordination between Council and their contractors wouldn?t go amiss, but unfortunately, Councils and intelligence don?t go together.

Otherwise, look on the bright side. It can only get better, so fill your half empty glass?full!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 11 Jan 2023, at 23:23, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Things that gets one's goat
Glossy covered paperwork ? which, when piled up slide around and fall in a heap.
Microsoft pop-ups -supposedly helpful. They are NOT.
Screen pop-ups which have no connection with that which is being worked upon.
Being behind a bank customer with all the problems in the world, and the other cashiers are busying themselves with paperwork instead of dealing with queueing customers.
Banks closing local branches.
Medical/Optical practitioners who keep you waiting when you have turned up on time.
(I will then take as long as I can for my appointment! GP?s only allow 10 mins, if you can get an appointment at all!).
Phone menus! (Why isn?t here a fast one that invites you to press zero for a real person?)
Because you revert to the end of the queue?
Call centres in foreign countries whose speech is not understandable. Even in UK ones, as a sound man,  I often ask them to adjust the headset mic!
Temporary traffic lights holding up traffic at roadworks where there is patently no evidence of any work being done.
Come on folks, there must be others!
Pat (grumpy mode, but intended as a bit of a laugh).

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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 08:37:11 2023
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 14:37:11 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!
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Nick,

I thoroughly agree with every point!

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 12 January 2023 14:15
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!

 

Glossy paperwork - stop buying those naughty magazines! 

 

Microsoft pop-ups - click on notification icon bottom right of your toolbar, click ?all settings? and disable as you wish. Done.

 

Other pop-ups, presumably adverts. - install Adguard. Done.

 

Banks - don't go there. I think the last time I actually went into a bank was probably about ten years ago.

 

Medical - remember that you are not their only patient!

 

Menus - agree. BOTs, call centres and options that don?t cover your enquiry topic are a pain in the BUT.

 

Temp traffic lights - yes, a little Co-ordination between Council and their contractors wouldn?t go amiss, but unfortunately, Councils and intelligence don?t go together.

 

Otherwise, look on the bright side. It can only get better, so fill your half empty glass?full!

Cheers,

Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad





On 11 Jan 2023, at 23:23, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? 

Things that gets one's goat

Glossy covered paperwork ? which, when piled up slide around and fall in a heap.

Microsoft pop-ups -supposedly helpful. They are NOT.

Screen pop-ups which have no connection with that which is being worked upon.

Being behind a bank customer with all the problems in the world, and the other cashiers are busying themselves with paperwork instead of dealing with queueing customers.

Banks closing local branches.

Medical/Optical practitioners who keep you waiting when you have turned up on time.
(I will then take as long as I can for my appointment! GP?s only allow 10 mins, if you can get an appointment at all!).

Phone menus! (Why isn?t here a fast one that invites you to press zero for a real person?) 
Because you revert to the end of the queue?

Call centres in foreign countries whose speech is not understandable. Even in UK ones, as a sound man,  I often ask them to adjust the headset mic!

Temporary traffic lights holding up traffic at roadworks where there is patently no evidence of any work being done.

Come on folks, there must be others!

Pat (grumpy mode, but intended as a bit of a laugh).

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 09:29:31 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 15:29:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!
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Hi

On 12/01/2023 14:14, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Menus - agree. BOTs, call centres and options that don?t cover your 
> enquiry topic are a pain in the BUT.

Just had a session with NOW Broadband? who (which?) also provides the 
landline phone line.? Phone has been dead for a day or so.

Tried looking for solutions online -? of course , the fault must be in 
your base station ...

Tried the online line checker -


Which is nonsense since the phone line was open circuit at this point!? 
(I had removed the base station)

NOW Broadband information makes it clear that it is only for Broadband 
queries,? Tried anyway.? Talked to a very helpful young lady who - after 
we jumped through hoops to identify the account holder and that I was 
allowed to speak - ran a line test.

Yup, there was a fault outside of our property and someone will be sent 
to mend it ...


Best regards, Alec


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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Jan 12 10:09:01 2023
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:09:01 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!
In-Reply-To: <1861c279-f78a-a02e-e62f-2dbc24f90484@gmail.com>
References: <edc35c47-832a-27b6-5fc0-8971d5516bc1@amps.net><AM9P191MB16043D57F79A3EA450E14ADAA7FD9@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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You are perhaps lucky!
Around here in Ealing a private company is installing fibres in all the BT ducts with the intention to provide Fibre to the premises everywhere.
The last hop will be via the existing wooden or whatever poles if overhead and presumably somehow through gardens to house.
We are now on our second complete loss of dial phone ? although Broadband works due to probably bouncing across dry joints in the 50odd years joints in the old copper cables.
Took quite while to convince BT but a repair is promised tonight!
Poor BT must be snowed under with similar faults.
Give them their due but the installers are having a terrible time putting the fibres through the very full ducts (in the rain) and now are putting very clever splitters everywhere.
Chatting to one of the guys (from Brazil!) I was given a splitter bit and it is very clever and a machine does all the cutting/joining of the fibres.
I remember the first fibre we got in OBs and had to join ourselves ? but only did one analogue circuit (LED lit from the 70Meg modulator from a radio link) and nothing like the capacity of this hairthin stuff!

Mike (waiting for poor BT to mend the joints in their cables!)

From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 3:29 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!

Hi


On 12/01/2023 14:14, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:

  Menus - agree. BOTs, call centres and options that don?t cover your enquiry topic are a pain in the BUT.
Just had a session with NOW Broadband  who (which?) also provides the landline phone line.  Phone has been dead for a day or so.  


Tried looking for solutions online -  of course , the fault must be in your base station ...


Tried the online line checker - 






Which is nonsense since the phone line was open circuit at this point!  (I had removed the base station)


NOW Broadband information makes it clear that it is only for Broadband queries,  Tried anyway.  Talked to a very helpful young lady who - after we jumped through hoops to identify the account holder and that I was allowed to speak - ran a line test.

Yup, there was a fault outside of our property and someone will be sent to mend it ...



Best regards, Alec

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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Thu Jan 12 10:17:18 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:17:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!
In-Reply-To: <1861c279-f78a-a02e-e62f-2dbc24f90484@gmail.com>
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We?ve just got our landline back having lost it on 30th Dec. 

OpenReach repair via TalkTalk. The manhole down the hill  was full of water, OpenReach had to close the road overnight to work on it.

I feel sorry for the support staff at TalkTalk as they?re all based overseas, S. Africa I think. I?m sure they have to put up with a great deal of s**t from the customers in the UK and their first world problems.

The Open Reach engineers are generally friendly and helpful but unfortunately you can never communicate with that company directly, only through the service provider.

I always think about the bits of profit creamed off by all the organisations involved these days.

GPO where art thou . . .

Hugh





> On 12 Jan 2023, at 15:29, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> On 12/01/2023 14:14, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Menus - agree. BOTs, call centres and options that don?t cover your enquiry topic are a pain in the BUT.
> Just had a session with NOW Broadband  who (which?) also provides the landline phone line.  Phone has been dead for a day or so.  
> 
> Tried looking for solutions online -  of course , the fault must be in your base station ...
> 
> Tried the online line checker - 
> 
> <nBgrKqSSnwCh9jIe.png>
> 
> 
> 
> Which is nonsense since the phone line was open circuit at this point!  (I had removed the base station)
> 
> NOW Broadband information makes it clear that it is only for Broadband queries,  Tried anyway.  Talked to a very helpful young lady who - after we jumped through hoops to identify the account holder and that I was allowed to speak - ran a line test.
> 
> Yup, there was a fault outside of our property and someone will be sent to mend it ...
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards, Alec
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> =======
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Thu Jan 12 10:25:41 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:25:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!
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Same here, masses of fibre and terminations strapped to posts, it all looks rather vulnerable.

No chance of fibre at this house though, our service is via an ancient pole with a D (do not climb) notice hammered on the side. OpenReach et al have visited and looked at it on numerous occasions over the last ten years. At the end of each encounter ?it will be replaced very soon? but they never return.

I?m hoping it collapses one day and injures me very slightly so I can make a massive claim!

Hugh

> On 12 Jan 2023, at 16:09, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> You are perhaps lucky!
> Around here in Ealing a private company is installing fibres in all the BT ducts with the intention to provide Fibre to the premises everywhere.
> The last hop will be via the existing wooden or whatever poles if overhead and presumably somehow through gardens to house.
> We are now on our second complete loss of dial phone ? although Broadband works due to probably bouncing across dry joints in the 50odd years joints in the old copper cables.
> Took quite while to convince BT but a repair is promised tonight!
> Poor BT must be snowed under with similar faults.
> Give them their due but the installers are having a terrible time putting the fibres through the very full ducts (in the rain) and now are putting very clever splitters everywhere.
> Chatting to one of the guys (from Brazil!) I was given a splitter bit and it is very clever and a machine does all the cutting/joining of the fibres.
> I remember the first fibre we got in OBs and had to join ourselves ? but only did one analogue circuit (LED lit from the 70Meg modulator from a radio link) and nothing like the capacity of this hairthin stuff!
>  
> Mike (waiting for poor BT to mend the joints in their cables!)
>  
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 3:29 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] New Year resolutions!
>  
> Hi
> On 12/01/2023 14:14, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Menus - agree. BOTs, call centres and options that don?t cover your enquiry topic are a pain in the BUT.
> Just had a session with NOW Broadband  who (which?) also provides the landline phone line.  Phone has been dead for a day or so.  
> Tried looking for solutions online -  of course , the fault must be in your base station ...
> Tried the online line checker - 
> <nBgrKqSSnwCh9jIe.png>
>  
> Which is nonsense since the phone line was open circuit at this point!  (I had removed the base station)
> NOW Broadband information makes it clear that it is only for Broadband queries,  Tried anyway.  Talked to a very helpful young lady who - after we jumped through hoops to identify the account holder and that I was allowed to speak - ran a line test.
> Yup, there was a fault outside of our property and someone will be sent to mend it ...
>  
> Best regards, Alec
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Thu Jan 12 23:24:27 2023
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 05:24:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Faulty telephone lines
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A few years back, our telephone line went down, although the broadband 
still worked at a reduced speed.

It was just after workmen had left after cladding our house and the last 
thing to be done was to fit soffit vents. I knew immediately that, while 
drilling one of the vent holes, the drill had clipped the incoming line.

As we are all Sky, I did a line test via their website which confirmed 
that there was a faulty out side the house. I requested an engineer to 
call, which could take a few days, so the info on the website said.

I found the fault at 1pm, and at 3pm Openreach arrived and fixed the 
problem by switching to a spare pair on the cable as well as changing 
the front panel of the main box so that I could do away with the filters 
on the phones.

I was very surprised at the speed that the fault was cleared, but we are 
only 200 yards from the exchange and Openreach vans are in and out 
regularly.

The more recent problem was loss of speech on the line but the line 
wasn't faulty, it was in the exchange as side tone was present which 
meant that there was 50v on the line.

On this occasion I had to phone Sky on a mobile and explain to someone 
who admitted that I knew more than he did as to where the problem was! A 
day later it was cleared and the exchange engineer phoned to check that 
all was well.

(While this fault was present, I was very tempted to go to the exchange 
and stick a note on the door!)

Dave Buckley

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jan 15 04:50:02 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 10:50:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat likes something - wow!
Message-ID: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>

Hello All,

I have been delighting in watching repeats of "My Family" on Freeview 25 
('W').

Not only is it cleverly written, but the cast is superb, paticularly Zoe 
Wanamaker
whose facial reactions are brilliantly timed and caught.

Four years old, now but highly enjoyable.

Another recent series, starting last night "Atlantic Crossing", a Norwegian
production shows promise at being well shot, too.

Happy New Year

Pat
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 05:01:34 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 11:01:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat likes something - wow!
In-Reply-To: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
References: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
Message-ID: <dc805180-4948-d47c-b3a1-069bbf060607@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Alec likes something - too!


For some reason, my wife and I missed the original transmission of the 
first two series of "Happy Valley". Over a couple of nights this week, 
we binge-watched those two series.

What an good programme!? Developing camera shots with not a single 
wobble in sight.? Good sound.? Totally absorbing.

Best regards, Alec

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jan 15 07:48:06 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 13:48:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat likes something - wow!
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Speaking of 'developing shots', there was a staff drama director at TVC, 
who was allocated TC4 or 3, with five cameras.
He planned things to have one camera per set, with single shots, 
developing - hard work for the operators.
But actors blocked out perfectly. And vision mixing cut to a mininum.

He also managed to employ the spare camera, stuck in the tech store, for 
the roller caption!

Pat


On 15/01/2023 11:01, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Alec likes something - too!
>
>
> For some reason, my wife and I missed the original transmission of the 
> first two series of "Happy Valley". Over a couple of nights this week, 
> we binge-watched those two series.
>
> What an good programme!? Developing camera shots with not a single 
> wobble in sight.? Good sound.? Totally absorbing.
>
> Best regards, Alec
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 10:44:22 2023
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 16:44:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat likes something - wow!
In-Reply-To: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
References: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
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I just discovered Freevee. Lots of stuff and you only have to have free
Amazon account

On Sun, 15 Jan 2023, 10:50 Pat Heigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I have been delighting in watching repeats of "My Family" on Freeview 25
> ('W').
>
> Not only is it cleverly written, but the cast is superb, paticularly Zoe
> Wanamaker
> whose facial reactions are brilliantly timed and caught.
>
> Four years old, now but highly enjoyable.
>
> Another recent series, starting last night "Atlantic Crossing", a Norwegian
> production shows promise at being well shot, too.
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Pat
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jan 15 11:51:46 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 17:51:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat likes something - wow!
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyH7eXghn6y1LCF_LcRszm6=q_dEP6ea1GE16N6Fo71-9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA7MLyH7eXghn6y1LCF_LcRszm6=q_dEP6ea1GE16N6Fo71-9g@mail.gmail.com>
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We tried the Freevee app just before Christmas.  It played huge numbers of adverts flawlessly, but then doesn?t play the actual content we wanted to watch. On another occasion it did start showing the content, followed by part one, but when it cut to a commercial break, it showed another lengthy block of adverts and then went blank. We didn?t manage to watch a single movie or programme in its entirety.

I accept that you have to put up with adverts in exchange for viewing programme material free of charge, but once I have sat through the adverts, I do expect to get something in return. We deleted the app.

Alan


> On 15 Jan 2023, at 16:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I just discovered Freevee. Lots of stuff and you only have to have free Amazon account
> 
>> On Sun, 15 Jan 2023, 10:50 Pat Heigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have been delighting in watching repeats of "My Family" on Freeview 25 ('W').
>> 
>> Not only is it cleverly written, but the cast is superb, paticularly Zoe Wanamaker
>> whose facial reactions are brilliantly timed and caught.
>> 
>> Four years old, now but highly enjoyable.
>> 
>> Another recent series, starting last night "Atlantic Crossing", a Norwegian
>> production shows promise at being well shot, too.
>> 
>> Happy New Year
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 11:56:57 2023
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 17:56:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat likes something - wow!
In-Reply-To: <EF5CABE6-FEDE-48F2-B018-092CBD01E477@me.com>
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All fine for me. Very few ads, lots and lots of content

B

On Sun, 15 Jan 2023, 17:52 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> We tried the Freevee app just before Christmas.  It played huge numbers of
> adverts flawlessly, but then doesn?t play the actual content we wanted to
> watch. On another occasion it did start showing the content, followed by
> part one, but when it cut to a commercial break, it showed another lengthy
> block of adverts and then went blank. We didn?t manage to watch a single
> movie or programme in its entirety.
>
> I accept that you have to put up with adverts in exchange for viewing
> programme material free of charge, but once I have sat through the adverts,
> I do expect to get something in return. We deleted the app.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 15 Jan 2023, at 16:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> I just discovered Freevee. Lots of stuff and you only have to have free
> Amazon account
>
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2023, 10:50 Pat Heigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have been delighting in watching repeats of "My Family" on Freeview 25
>> ('W').
>>
>> Not only is it cleverly written, but the cast is superb, paticularly Zoe
>> Wanamaker
>> whose facial reactions are brilliantly timed and caught.
>>
>> Four years old, now but highly enjoyable.
>>
>> Another recent series, starting last night "Atlantic Crossing", a
>> Norwegian
>> production shows promise at being well shot, too.
>>
>> Happy New Year
>>
>> Pat
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
> --
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jan 15 12:40:44 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 18:40:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat likes something - wow!
In-Reply-To: <EF5CABE6-FEDE-48F2-B018-092CBD01E477@me.com>
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I stay with a good friend in Somerset, with whom I set up outdoor film shows
(when weather is good!).

He steadfastly refuses to watch ANY channel that shows commercials.

I am beginning to share his views - muting sound when they are on.
This is a bit of a Judas attitude from me as I made a good living, 
working on
commercials. Ridley Scott was great to work with - somehow he had the budget
for super results. Worked again with him on Alien, and he has many other 
good
features under his belt.

If you look at todays' ad's - they are incredibly same-y, are the 'young'
directors running out of new ideas?

Fed up with too fast cuts, wobbly camera etc.
The latter must be for speed -? takes too long to set up tracks and legs.

Suspect that play-out is computer controlled every fifteen mins whether
or not ready. Then the same reel of ad's get played, every time.

I knew a young guy, whose job it was to re-edit the 35mm commercials
when at the last minute, the client had bought the airtime.
This was when they came off telecine.

Pat


On 15/01/2023 17:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> We tried the Freevee app just before Christmas. ?It played huge 
> numbers of adverts flawlessly, but then doesn?t play the actual 
> content we wanted to watch. On another occasion it did start showing 
> the content, followed by part one, but when it cut to a commercial 
> break, it showed another lengthy block of adverts and then went blank. 
> We didn?t manage to watch a single movie or programme in its entirety.
>
> I accept that you have to put up with adverts in exchange for viewing 
> programme material free of charge, but once I have sat through the 
> adverts, I do expect to get something in return. We deleted the app.
>
> Alan
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jan 16 05:43:51 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 11:43:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
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Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other 
evening - on a friend's recommendation.

Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak 
direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.

Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very 
close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is 
often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to 
grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on 
top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but 
unintelligible.

You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) 
and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so 
it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.

Chris Woolf



From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Jan 16 06:01:04 2023
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:01:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
	<0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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We watched it the other night on iPlayer and thought it was quite fun, not great art but well stuck together by Mike Newell, he's obviously done well since his Corrie days.

I'm no expert, but I'm constantly amazed at why film sound can get an Oscar.  It usually strikes me as overly processed either with limiters or expanders or badly gated, as Chris points out.

People don't seem to realise that when actors are (dramatically) whispering, we still need to hear what, exactly, they are saying, and if that can't be done put up sub-titles....

But then I'm only a cameraman, so what do I know.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:43, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
> 
> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
> 
> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
> 
> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jan 16 06:06:19 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:06:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>

I don?t know anything of the making of this movie, but IMDB shows that far more sound people were involved in the post production than on location.  Maybe it was one of those movies where every actor had individual radio microphones and were recorded in a noisy environment?  I see that the locations were mostly in the West Country and also Ealing Studios.

I was lined up to do a drama a few years ago and then pulled out when the production team asked if I had a rack of twelve radio mics.  I didn?t have that many and could have hired them in, but I could see what sort of production it was going to be and didn?t want to get involved.

Directors like the idea of radio microphones because it reduces the need for those pesky boom microphones and also allows shooting simultaneous wide shots and close ups ( not to be confused with true multi camera shooting in a TV studio ).

Poor sound quality is often blamed on small loudspeakers, but for about forty years, I?ve fed my TV sound to my HiFi.  I still experience muffled dialogue which magically stops being a problem when the next show or movie starts.

Alan


> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
> 
> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
> 
> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
> 
> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jan 16 06:14:19 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:14:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
References: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Glad you feel the same;}

Yes, I think your analysis is close to the mark, but I fear that they do 
the ADR (which is credited) in much the same way - they've lost the idea 
of acoustic perspective, and that is very much involved in intelligibility.

Poor home speakers don't help, but watched a Vera last night, and that 
was no problem at all, despite hefty Northern accents.

Chris Woolf


On 16/01/2023 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I don?t know anything of the making of this movie, but IMDB shows that far more sound people were involved in the post production than on location.  Maybe it was one of those movies where every actor had individual radio microphones and were recorded in a noisy environment?  I see that the locations were mostly in the West Country and also Ealing Studios.
>
> I was lined up to do a drama a few years ago and then pulled out when the production team asked if I had a rack of twelve radio mics.  I didn?t have that many and could have hired them in, but I could see what sort of production it was going to be and didn?t want to get involved.
>
> Directors like the idea of radio microphones because it reduces the need for those pesky boom microphones and also allows shooting simultaneous wide shots and close ups ( not to be confused with true multi camera shooting in a TV studio ).
>
> Poor sound quality is often blamed on small loudspeakers, but for about forty years, I?ve fed my TV sound to my HiFi.  I still experience muffled dialogue which magically stops being a problem when the next show or movie starts.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
>>
>> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
>>
>> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
>>
>> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From tuckergarth at me.com  Mon Jan 16 06:15:53 2023
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:15:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Developing Shots
Message-ID: <6F2D6694-9B18-4DC9-9AAF-F28D51C20EFD@me.com>

Pat (Re. Developing Shots) reminded me of a play directed by Alan Bridges who in conversation with Frank Wilkins and Geoff Feld (Crew 2) decided they would together record a play where every single shot would be static. During the rehearsal Alan thought it it was all too difficult and said he was abandoning the idea. Frank and Geoff persuaded him otherwise and the shoot finished with every shot static except for one early cut when a cameraman was still adjusting his shot. My memory is not so do good these days, I can?t remember the title of the play but I believe David Mercer was the playwright and Glenda Jackson was one of the main actors. Can anybody else substantiate this story?

Garth

From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Jan 16 06:18:50 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:18:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
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Message-ID: <DF4E4AE8-B8EF-43E0-ABE6-1F4D518DF030@talktalk.net>

Yes, pretty much agree with all of that Chris, not a great plot, a bit muddled in the telling, and sometimes struggling with the dialogue.

I?m often disappointed by film sound these days, but I generally check whether Judy agrees the intelligibilty?s poor as I have lost some of my ?top end? and have a degree of tinnitus; she generally concurs, which is reassuring!

I happened to see a bit of an old Morse the other day and it was interesting to hear the very obviously boomed sound matching the interior shots, quite a lively acoustic but dialogue still easy to understand. By way of contrast I also watched one of the Star Treks recently; all voices perfectly on mic. and very good quality but almost no variation in the acoustic; presumably mostly / all ADR.

And then there?s the matter of VO?s in trailers and commercials pretty much drowned out by the M+E . . .

Hurumph

Best wishes


Hugh Snape





> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:43, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
> 
> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
> 
> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
> 
> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Jan 16 06:24:02 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:24:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <25c7d832-6803-47c2-286d-ac181ccb0e0c@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
	<25c7d832-6803-47c2-286d-ac181ccb0e0c@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <064102CB-CCDE-4C00-B571-C82CD420EEA4@talktalk.net>

NB, try Maigret on Talking Pictures TV for nostalgic (and impressive) multicam / boom work; 20:00 Tuesdays :^)

Hugh

> On 16 Jan 2023, at 12:14, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Glad you feel the same;}
> 
> Yes, I think your analysis is close to the mark, but I fear that they do the ADR (which is credited) in much the same way - they've lost the idea of acoustic perspective, and that is very much involved in intelligibility.
> 
> Poor home speakers don't help, but watched a Vera last night, and that was no problem at all, despite hefty Northern accents.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> On 16/01/2023 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I don?t know anything of the making of this movie, but IMDB shows that far more sound people were involved in the post production than on location.  Maybe it was one of those movies where every actor had individual radio microphones and were recorded in a noisy environment?  I see that the locations were mostly in the West Country and also Ealing Studios.
>> 
>> I was lined up to do a drama a few years ago and then pulled out when the production team asked if I had a rack of twelve radio mics.  I didn?t have that many and could have hired them in, but I could see what sort of production it was going to be and didn?t want to get involved.
>> 
>> Directors like the idea of radio microphones because it reduces the need for those pesky boom microphones and also allows shooting simultaneous wide shots and close ups ( not to be confused with true multi camera shooting in a TV studio ).
>> 
>> Poor sound quality is often blamed on small loudspeakers, but for about forty years, I?ve fed my TV sound to my HiFi.  I still experience muffled dialogue which magically stops being a problem when the next show or movie starts.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
>>> 
>>> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
>>> 
>>> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
>>> 
>>> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jan 16 06:30:58 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:30:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <DF4E4AE8-B8EF-43E0-ABE6-1F4D518DF030@talktalk.net>
References: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
	<0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<DF4E4AE8-B8EF-43E0-ABE6-1F4D518DF030@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <beb90c96-6992-329b-ddb2-04bd70fb3489@chriswoolf.co.uk>

So good that others agree!

Yes, age doesn't help, and hearing diminished somewhat, but the fall-off 
in intelligibility really is something different.

There's a vast amount of attention paid to signal levels and loudness 
(rightly) but almost none to intelligibility currently. As with 
listening to someone with a strange language cadence, it can take a 
while to grasp what is being said, so it is really hard for the brain to 
match an image of someone talking in wide shot, with a voice 6" from 
your ear.

I'm not against ADR, but it ought to be perfectly possible to put some 
distance (and faked atmos) into the sound for wider shots. rather than 
everything in one flat plane.

Chris Woolf


On 16/01/2023 12:18, Hugh Snape wrote:
> Yes, pretty much agree with all of that Chris, not a great plot, a bit muddled in the telling, and sometimes struggling with the dialogue.
>
> I?m often disappointed by film sound these days, but I generally check whether Judy agrees the intelligibilty?s poor as I have lost some of my ?top end? and have a degree of tinnitus; she generally concurs, which is reassuring!
>
> I happened to see a bit of an old Morse the other day and it was interesting to hear the very obviously boomed sound matching the interior shots, quite a lively acoustic but dialogue still easy to understand. By way of contrast I also watched one of the Star Treks recently; all voices perfectly on mic. and very good quality but almost no variation in the acoustic; presumably mostly / all ADR.
>
> And then there?s the matter of VO?s in trailers and commercials pretty much drowned out by the M+E . . .
>
> Hurumph
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Hugh Snape
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:43, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
>>
>> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
>>
>> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
>>
>> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 06:59:19 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:59:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
References: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
Message-ID: <6d2751f5-be1f-36b1-b112-3bca3ced417c@gmail.com>

Ages ago, a pal was working on the early days of The Bill. All done on 
fish-poles - with very skilled operators and lighting men used to them.

As an experiment he mic'd up all the actors with personals too. In those 
days, likely ECM 50 and Micron VHF. Sent a rough (not monitored) mix to 
the second channel on the MII recorder, with the normal boom mix to 
channel 1. Think? it was pretty straightforward episode - perhaps all 
the police station set. Did paperwork explaining what he'd done for the 
editor, etc.

Was rather surprised to find the editor chose the personals, and used 
them throughout.

I watched the prog transmitted at home on fairly decent speakers - 
Spendor BC1. And thought it sounded horrid. Despite the best efforts of 
the dubbing mixer - who to be fair didn't have unlimited time to 
optimise each and every shot. But so often the norm today.

I also remember when a favourite, Morse, changed from booms to 
personals. Again, a retrograde step to my ears.

Many will rave about a good music balance on TV, but few seem to care 
about natural sounding dialogue, sadly.

I enjoy a few 'lifestyle' progs. Credits, if you can read them, include 
loads of runners etc, but rarely a sound credit, other than dubbing 
mixer. Sometimes, I'm happy to be retired.?

On 16/01/2023 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I don?t know anything of the making of this movie, but IMDB shows that far more sound people were involved in the post production than on location.  Maybe it was one of those movies where every actor had individual radio microphones and were recorded in a noisy environment?  I see that the locations were mostly in the West Country and also Ealing Studios.
>
> I was lined up to do a drama a few years ago and then pulled out when the production team asked if I had a rack of twelve radio mics.  I didn?t have that many and could have hired them in, but I could see what sort of production it was going to be and didn?t want to get involved.
>
> Directors like the idea of radio microphones because it reduces the need for those pesky boom microphones and also allows shooting simultaneous wide shots and close ups ( not to be confused with true multi camera shooting in a TV studio ).
>
> Poor sound quality is often blamed on small loudspeakers, but for about forty years, I?ve fed my TV sound to my HiFi.  I still experience muffled dialogue which magically stops being a problem when the next show or movie starts.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
>>
>> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
>>
>> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
>>
>> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jan 16 07:20:07 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 13:20:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
References: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
Message-ID: <FBAEF172-56D0-46DC-9E47-EC5277D5E026@mac.com>

I concur with everything that?s been said about sound coverage in general, even within the same programme levels and intelligibility can vary greatly. And it?s not new - we watched a fairly ancient Agatha Christie Hour on Sky Arts last evening and it was all over the place - we had to keep winding the level up and down. 

But, strangely, we saw the Potato Society film a while ago at Dorking Halls and I don?t recall any issue with intelligibility. 

Mike G

> On 16 Jan 2023, at 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I don?t know anything of the making of this movie, but IMDB shows that far more sound people were involved in the post production than on location.  Maybe it was one of those movies where every actor had individual radio microphones and were recorded in a noisy environment?  I see that the locations were mostly in the West Country and also Ealing Studios.
> 
> I was lined up to do a drama a few years ago and then pulled out when the production team asked if I had a rack of twelve radio mics.  I didn?t have that many and could have hired them in, but I could see what sort of production it was going to be and didn?t want to get involved.
> 
> Directors like the idea of radio microphones because it reduces the need for those pesky boom microphones and also allows shooting simultaneous wide shots and close ups ( not to be confused with true multi camera shooting in a TV studio ).
> 
> Poor sound quality is often blamed on small loudspeakers, but for about forty years, I?ve fed my TV sound to my HiFi.  I still experience muffled dialogue which magically stops being a problem when the next show or movie starts.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
>> 
>> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
>> 
>> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
>> 
>> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 07:25:22 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 13:25:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
References: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
Message-ID: <780a985a-69c4-96f3-2a42-3c558356f4ec@gmail.com>

Ages ago, a pal was working on the early days of The Bill. All done on 
fish-poles - with very skilled operators and lighting men used to them.

As an experiment he mic'd up all the actors with personals too. In those 
days, likely ECM 50 and Micron VHF. Sent a rough (not monitored) mix to 
the second channel on the MII recorder, with the normal boom mix to 
channel 1. Think  it was pretty straightforward episode - perhaps all 
the police station set. Did paperwork explaining what he'd done for the 
editor, etc.

Was rather surprised to find the editor chose the personals, and used 
them throughout.

I watched the prog transmitted at home on fairly decent speakers - 
Spendor BC1. And thought it sounded horrid. Despite the best efforts of 
the dubbing mixer - who to be fair didn't have unlimited time to 
optimise each and every shot. But so often the norm today.

I also remember when a favourite, Morse, changed from booms to 
personals. Again, a retrograde step to my ears.

Many will rave about a good music balance on TV, but few seem to care 
about natural sounding dialogue, sadly.

I enjoy a few 'lifestyle' progs. Credits, if you can read them, include 
loads of runners etc, but rarely a sound credit, other than dubbing 
mixer. Sometimes, I'm happy to be retired.?


On 16/01/2023 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I don?t know anything of the making of this movie, but IMDB shows that far more sound people were involved in the post production than on location.  Maybe it was one of those movies where every actor had individual radio microphones and were recorded in a noisy environment?  I see that the locations were mostly in the West Country and also Ealing Studios.
> 
> I was lined up to do a drama a few years ago and then pulled out when the production team asked if I had a rack of twelve radio mics.  I didn?t have that many and could have hired them in, but I could see what sort of production it was going to be and didn?t want to get involved.
> 
> Directors like the idea of radio microphones because it reduces the need for those pesky boom microphones and also allows shooting simultaneous wide shots and close ups ( not to be confused with true multi camera shooting in a TV studio ).
> 
> Poor sound quality is often blamed on small loudspeakers, but for about forty years, I?ve fed my TV sound to my HiFi.  I still experience muffled dialogue which magically stops being a problem when the next show or movie starts.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
>>
>> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
>>
>> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
>>
>> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 


From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 07:29:07 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 13:29:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <FBAEF172-56D0-46DC-9E47-EC5277D5E026@mac.com>
References: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
	<FBAEF172-56D0-46DC-9E47-EC5277D5E026@mac.com>
Message-ID: <36a5028d-f576-a8c3-f44a-00d811084a02@gmail.com>

At one time, broadcast TV sound seemed to be limited at -10 dBFS. 
Noticed even on BBC 1, some things apparently peaking to maximum 
possible. Which is a great deal louder. Don't really care what standard 
is used - if everyone sticks to it.

On 16/01/2023 13:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> I concur with everything that?s been said about sound coverage in general, even within the same programme levels and intelligibility can vary greatly. And it?s not new - we watched a fairly ancient Agatha Christie Hour on Sky Arts last evening and it was all over the place - we had to keep winding the level up and down.
> 
> But, strangely, we saw the Potato Society film a while ago at Dorking Halls and I don?t recall any issue with intelligibility.
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?I don?t know anything of the making of this movie, but IMDB shows that far more sound people were involved in the post production than on location.  Maybe it was one of those movies where every actor had individual radio microphones and were recorded in a noisy environment?  I see that the locations were mostly in the West Country and also Ealing Studios.
>>
>> I was lined up to do a drama a few years ago and then pulled out when the production team asked if I had a rack of twelve radio mics.  I didn?t have that many and could have hired them in, but I could see what sort of production it was going to be and didn?t want to get involved.
>>
>> Directors like the idea of radio microphones because it reduces the need for those pesky boom microphones and also allows shooting simultaneous wide shots and close ups ( not to be confused with true multi camera shooting in a TV studio ).
>>
>> Poor sound quality is often blamed on small loudspeakers, but for about forty years, I?ve fed my TV sound to my HiFi.  I still experience muffled dialogue which magically stops being a problem when the next show or movie starts.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other evening - on a friend's recommendation.
>>>
>>> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
>>>
>>> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the dialogue all-but unintelligible.
>>>
>>> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound chain of that programme.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
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> 


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jan 16 07:31:52 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 13:31:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <DBE0677B-FE86-4E82-8F00-50CFE50490F7@me.com>
References: <d4c62031-43d3-9d74-3c8f-88a3736270d2@amps.net>
	<0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<DBE0677B-FE86-4E82-8F00-50CFE50490F7@me.com>
Message-ID: <28f06af7-f2e6-b2fa-ded2-5f78319e5e43@amps.net>

I haven't seen this programme, but one of the reasons why I was a 
founder member of AMPS (Association of Motion Picture Sound) was that 
the aim of AMPS would be to
promote the skill of its members. Membership was granted only on the 
basis of experience and proven technique. Attempting to encourage 
productions to employ AMPS
members, as they would then be assured of the best possible results.
One story relates that a production manager queried the high rate asked 
for by a Production Mixer. His reply was that he had already made and 
learned from
all the mistakes that your cheaper candidate has yet to make.

I was fortunate to work on 'Fiddler on the Roof'. It gained an Oscar for 
Best Sound, but I wondered whether the judges were swayed by the music 
elements
(necessarily a studio recording). Norman Jewison, the director, 
initially wanted for the actors to sing live, but the problems of 
maintaining the acoustic, and
eliminating extraneous noise persuaded him otherwise. We, on the sound 
crew of only four on location, achieved? very nearly 100% usuable 
dialogue sound,
due to the expertise of John Stevenson on the boom or pole. There were 
but two radio mics, and very dodgy they were!
But the whole aim was to achieve clean, useable dialogue.
If a dialogue take is unacceptable, then a wildtrack can be recorded, 
but it absolutely must be done as a further take, without camera 
running, and the same
environment maintained, with actors accustonedtuned in to delivery, 
pacing etc. Many first assistants will try to leave it until the end of 
the day, but the sound mixer
_must_ insist on doing it as an extra take at the time. The on set 
discipline is in place, just do it one more time!

Actors must play their part, too (no pun!). A sound mixer I often worked 
with was given a lesson by an artiste in how to project for whispered 
dialogue.
I once had to ask an actor for _less_ voice level. He was surprised as 
normally he was asked for more. But the scene was in a tiled stairwell 
and too much
level was echoing around and muddying it all up.
That's where a sound man's experience comes into play.

Directors love the idea of shooting with multi cameras, wide and close. 
Continuity is achieved (get rid of the Script Supervisor?)
But radio/personal mics are not the final answer - watch 'Singin' In The 
Rain'. The problems with sound as depicted in the movie are still with 
us today!

One movie I worked on for Euston Films (Thames) had a scene on a theatre 
stage - pre-recorded singing interspersed with live speech pick-up.
The same model mic (Neumann U87) as used in the music studio was mounted 
in the boom, which I was operating, working between the top of frame
and below the beam from a Super-Trooper follow spot. Plus I was on a 
Fisher platform on three rostra in the orchestra pit (don't fall off - 
it's a long way down!)

But you cannot hear the join!

Here endeth this chapter of my book!

Best
Pat

On 16/01/2023 12:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> We watched it the other night on iPlayer and thought it was quite fun, 
> not great art but well stuck together by Mike Newell, he's obviously 
> done well since his Corrie days.
>
> I'm no expert, but I'm constantly amazed at why film sound can get an 
> Oscar. ?It usually strikes me as overly processed either with limiters 
> or expanders or badly gated, as Chris points out.
>
> People don't seem to realise that when actors are (dramatically) 
> whispering, we still need to hear what, exactly, they are saying, and 
> if that can't be done put up sub-titles....
>
> But then I'm only a cameraman, so what do I know.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 16 Jan 2023, at 11:43, Chris Woolf via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Watched the "Guernsey literary and potato peel pie society" the other 
>> evening - on a friend's recommendation.
>>
>> Besides the story being rather poorly put together - weak 
>> direction/writing - the sound was atrocious.
>>
>> Almost no acoustic for the spaces the actors were in - everything 
>> very close-miked - and gated to death. With modern actors the diction 
>> is often weak, but with decent sound pick-up one can get sufficient 
>> to grasp what is going on. However this suffered some gritty 
>> distortion on top of the other problems, and rendered most of the 
>> dialogue all-but unintelligible.
>>
>> You begin to wonder if it is your sound equipment (or your own 
>> hearing) and then you watch something else that is perfectly clean 
>> and clear - so it isn't - just incompetence somewhere in the sound 
>> chain of that programme.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jan 16 08:11:35 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 14:11:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <780a985a-69c4-96f3-2a42-3c558356f4ec@gmail.com>
References: <0c2ff26f-9c00-45e5-0b13-5124ce30553b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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How I agree with Dave P.

Please read my posting of today.

(Hey! Look at my CV, I was a runner on XXXX)

I learned a lot at BBC's knees, for which I am eternally grateful,

and stood me in great stead later on.

See attachment for a story.

Best

Pat

On 16/01/2023 13:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I also remember when a favourite, Morse, changed from booms to 
> personals. Again, a retrograde step to my ears.
>
> Many will rave about a good music balance on TV, but few seem to care 
> about natural sounding dialogue, sadly.
>
> I enjoy a few 'lifestyle' progs. Credits, if you can read them, 
> include loads of runners etc, but rarely a sound credit, other than 
> dubbing mixer. Sometimes, I'm happy to be retired.?
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jan 16 08:28:23 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 14:28:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <FBAEF172-56D0-46DC-9E47-EC5277D5E026@mac.com>
References: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
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Message-ID: <da81f9ca-55dc-9125-6859-5e82106aa26c@amps.net>

Well, the last time I went to the Dorking Halls. I was appalled at the 
acoustics in the cinema.

Far too reverberant - maybe something has been done?

Bob Foley and I went to see the filmed version of '42nd Street' (having 
seen the stage show at least 3 times!) at a digital cinema in Horsham,
which was excellent as to projection and sound. Also the seats were 
slightly tilted back,
like aircraft seats, so the whole experience was first class.

Pat

On 16/01/2023 13:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> But, strangely, we saw the Potato Society film a while ago at Dorking Halls and I don?t recall any issue with intelligibility.
>
> Mike G


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jan 16 08:38:42 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 14:38:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "Film" sound
In-Reply-To: <FBAEF172-56D0-46DC-9E47-EC5277D5E026@mac.com>
References: <CB8924CE-611C-40D8-9A22-F8852F8B8285@me.com>
	<FBAEF172-56D0-46DC-9E47-EC5277D5E026@mac.com>
Message-ID: <ed5d750a-5df0-6cbf-d142-c8d2380d03ab@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 16/01/2023 13:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> But, strangely, we saw the Potato Society film a while ago at Dorking Halls and I don?t recall any issue with intelligibility.
>
It is not impossible that the streamed version has gone through some 
sort of auto-compression to fit it within whatever arbitrary limits 
i-player deems correct. I can imagine that bu**ering up some audio that 
was previously acceptable, and tipping it over the edge.

Chris Woolf



From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Mon Jan 16 09:47:26 2023
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 15:47:26 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 40 Years of Breakfast Time
Message-ID: <000001d929c1$d52d8f20$7f88ad60$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Tomorrow, 17th January, sees the 40th anniversary of BBC?s Breakfast Time going on air. A special show is promised with probably a few cringeworthy clips ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/bbc-breakfast-40th-anniversary-breakfast-time-special-guests

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/jan/16/40-glorious-disastrous-years-of-breakfast-tv

 

Rob

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jan 17 09:56:24 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:56:24 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 40 Years of Breakfast Time
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References: <000001d929c1$d52d8f20$7f88ad60$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00bd01d92a8c$406d6740$c14835c0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

This 1 year anniversary clip from Youtube might be of interest?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S56mRLVfaw

 

(A youn Stuart McDonald and Sue Brincat amongst others?.

Paul Thackray

 

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

+44 7802 243979

Mail;  <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

 

Web;  <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk> http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin;  <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746> http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB;  <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Robert Miles via Tech1
Sent: 16 January 2023 15:47
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] 40 Years of Breakfast Time

 

Tomorrow, 17th January, sees the 40th anniversary of BBC?s Breakfast Time going on air. A special show is promised with probably a few cringeworthy clips ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/bbc-breakfast-40th-anniversary-breakfast-time-special-guests

 

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/jan/16/40-glorious-disastrous-years-of-breakfast-tv

 

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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Tue Jan 17 14:56:24 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 20:56:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Winterwatch . . .
Message-ID: <E247472B-69E2-4F3A-8A0D-1C611794A450@talktalk.net>

Just wondering whether anyone else is watching Winterwatch this evening? The live location sound is really good but the mix and VO quality of the inserts appears ?strained? to me. Heavy music fighting the dialogue and the latter compressed and on the edge of distortion.

Or is it just me?

Hugh Snape

From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jan 18 02:28:36 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 08:28:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Winterwatch . . .
In-Reply-To: <E247472B-69E2-4F3A-8A0D-1C611794A450@talktalk.net>
References: <E247472B-69E2-4F3A-8A0D-1C611794A450@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604B96A7957AEB7F80D9FCBA7C79@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Maybe the sudden and sad loss of Louise Willcox had something to do with it. 
They said she would be irreplaceable. RIP.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Jan 2023, at 20:57, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Just wondering whether anyone else is watching Winterwatch this evening? The live location sound is really good but the mix and VO quality of the inserts appears ?strained? to me. Heavy music fighting the dialogue and the latter compressed and on the edge of distortion.
> 
> Or is it just me?
> 
> Hugh Snape
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed Jan 18 09:40:02 2023
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 15:40:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <EF77022E-189A-4F73-B2E5-6C239CA795D6@gmail.com>
References: <9B42A4D0B90D49CE8958009B80162342@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<EF77022E-189A-4F73-B2E5-6C239CA795D6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3422a90e-e763-8023-2ed5-9a2c531dbdc0@howell61.f9.co.uk>

Hi Geoff et al,

Another Americanism which seems to be thrown in randomly is "real 
quick"? as in "I'll put a new engine in my car real quick"

 ?I find the use of this phrase "real irritating"!

Hibou.



On 07/01/2023 20:18, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> It?s the Americans  pronunciation of words like ?city? as ?caddy? that annoys me every time but no more I suppose than British people who say ?walm waw-ah? instead of ?warm water? or ?our commun-i-ee? instead of ?community?
> A reference was made earlier to the Braun company having given up on their attempts to stop us pronouncing it as ?Brawn? which is how I say it. I assume the correct pronunciation is ?Brun? which I believe is how the name of the singer Ane Brun is pronounced instead of ? Broon? as I would say it. I?m sure Alan with his first hand knowledge will put us right on that,
> Geoff
>
>> On 6 Jan 2023, at 23:37, David Newbitt via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?This thread has dipped in and out of Americanisms so can any of the considerable number of you with first hand experience of their language help with this one.
>>
>> Increasingly over the years our word 'alternative' has become more and more replaced by the American 'alternate' e.g. alternate contact details.
>> If the Americans need to express something like "alternate bouts of optimism & despair", what do they say?
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:03 PM
>> To: Nick Ware ;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai
>>
>> Our Honda Jazz was originally named Honda City but Toyota had the
>> copyright on the name City so Honda changed it to Jazz. Cheers, Dave
>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jan 18 13:16:26 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 19:16:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hyundai
In-Reply-To: <3422a90e-e763-8023-2ed5-9a2c531dbdc0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <9B42A4D0B90D49CE8958009B80162342@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<EF77022E-189A-4F73-B2E5-6C239CA795D6@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3409DE3B-A844-424C-A08C-E0AF0276DA54@mac.com>

Time to ?get real?, I suppose!

Mike G


> On 18 Jan 2023, at 15:40, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Geoff et al,
> 
> Another Americanism which seems to be thrown in randomly is "real quick"  as in "I'll put a new engine in my car real quick"
> 
>  I find the use of this phrase "real irritating"!
> 
> Hibou.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/01/2023 20:18, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>> It?s the Americans  pronunciation of words like ?city? as ?caddy? that annoys me every time but no more I suppose than British people who say ?walm waw-ah? instead of ?warm water? or ?our commun-i-ee? instead of ?community?
>> A reference was made earlier to the Braun company having given up on their attempts to stop us pronouncing it as ?Brawn? which is how I say it. I assume the correct pronunciation is ?Brun? which I believe is how the name of the singer Ane Brun is pronounced instead of ? Broon? as I would say it. I?m sure Alan with his first hand knowledge will put us right on that, 
>> Geoff
>> 
>>> On 6 Jan 2023, at 23:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?This thread has dipped in and out of Americanisms so can any of the considerable number of you with first hand experience of their language help with this one.
>>> 
>>> Increasingly over the years our word 'alternative' has become more and more replaced by the American 'alternate' e.g. alternate contact details.
>>> If the Americans need to express something like "alternate bouts of optimism & despair", what do they say?
>>> 
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 9:03 PM
>>> To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hyundai
>>> 
>>> Our Honda Jazz was originally named Honda City but Toyota had the
>>> copyright on the name City so Honda changed it to Jazz. Cheers, Dave
>>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jan 18 17:59:33 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 23:59:33 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pity it didn't work
Message-ID: <B9EFDB486B3042B798BEFAFEA1598478@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Found myself fascinated by this piece from almost 8 years back from one Alan Taylor and wondered why I had no previous awareness whatever of this beast of a machine.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2015/06/the-antarctic-snow-cruiser/396617/#img05

Right up there with the Charge of The Light Brigade and the Suez Crisis for inspired decisions.

Dave Newbitt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jan 19 02:53:42 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:53:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pity it didn't work
Message-ID: <3CE952BD-8552-4D7A-BB6F-F966FCDDE820@me.com>

Obviously not from this Alan Taylor. There are a lot of us about.

If anybody is interested, he wrote a follow up article with more pictures, including many of it in the snow. There is also a Wiki article with additional info.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/01/the-antarctic-snow-cruiser-updated/424851/

It?s biggest problem seemed to be poor traction.  It had fat tyres three metres in diameter, but they chose smooth tyres so that treads wouldn?t clog up with snow.  They did take snow chains, but they didn?t help much. Finally they put the spare wheels to double up the back wheels and then discovered it had better traction when reversing, which must have made it tricky to see where you are going. 

I?m not sure how they steered it. No steering while is visible, so I initially assumed it was steered like a tank, but in some of the pictures the front or rear wheels appear to be pivoted. It?s believed to be the first diesel-electric 4 wheel vehicle.

Some of you may recall the British army buying Snowcats for use in arctic conditions.  More details of an entirely different European approach here.

https://mortarinvestments.eu/catalog/item/volvo-bv-202-snowcat-bandvagn

I?ve seen one doing demonstration runs at the Dorset Steam Fair.  Not much snow in September, but is was effortlessly making its way over all sorts of obstacles, mostly enormous tree trunks laid on the ground. Apparently it floats too.

Alan


> On 19 Jan 2023, at 00:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jan 19 03:41:51 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:41:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pity it didn't work
In-Reply-To: <3CE952BD-8552-4D7A-BB6F-F966FCDDE820@me.com>
References: <3CE952BD-8552-4D7A-BB6F-F966FCDDE820@me.com>
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Fascinating bit of kit - as you say: Shame it didn't work! Snowcats, 
being smaller and tracked, maybe had the advantage.
On a skiing trip to Switzerland, I rode in the longest, highest cable 
car, the cabin of which could accommodate 100 passengers.
I was intrigued by a trapdoor in the floor with a winch above. I asked 
the attendant what was that for. "Oh, we hang the
Snowcat on that to take it to the top!" I realised that effectively, the 
cable car was a huge travelling crane, as it ran on three
parallel cables, not just one!

Pat H

On 19/01/2023 08:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Obviously not from this Alan Taylor. There are a lot of us about.
>
> If anybody is interested, he wrote a follow up article with more 
> pictures, including many of it in the snow. There is also a Wiki 
> article with additional info.
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/01/the-antarctic-snow-cruiser-updated/424851/
>
> It?s biggest problem seemed to be poor traction. ?It had fat tyres 
> three metres in diameter, but they chose smooth tyres so that treads 
> wouldn?t clog up with snow. ?They did take snow chains, but they 
> didn?t help much. Finally they put the spare wheels to double up the 
> back wheels and then discovered it had better traction when reversing, 
> which must have made it tricky to see where you are going.
>
> I?m not sure how they steered it. No steering while is visible, so I 
> initially assumed it was steered like a tank, but in some of the 
> pictures the front or rear wheels appear to be pivoted. It?s believed 
> to be the first diesel-electric 4 wheel vehicle.
>
> Some of you may recall the British army buying Snowcats for use in 
> arctic conditions. ?More details of an entirely different European 
> approach here.
>
> https://mortarinvestments.eu/catalog/item/volvo-bv-202-snowcat-bandvagn
>
> I?ve seen one doing demonstration runs at the Dorset Steam Fair. ?Not 
> much snow in September, but is was effortlessly making its way over 
> all sorts of obstacles, mostly enormous tree trunks laid on the 
> ground. Apparently it floats too.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 00:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jan 23 07:53:03 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 13:53:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Crazy Otto
Message-ID: <72f7003a-a631-46be-8dee-591e7660e087@amps.net>

Does anyone remember Crazy Otto - a jazz pianist who had a 'treated' 
piano - slightly de-tuned
and thumbtacks on the hammers - bit like we used to do with a celeste to 
turn it into a 'jangle' piano.

He was a classical pianist under the name of Fritz Schulz-Reichel.
Which proves the point that if you are going to fool about, you've got 
to be bloody good to
start with - like a clown on a high wire?

I have most of his recordings which sold well, I understand.

Pat

Crazy Otto
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Jan 24 02:45:15 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 08:45:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Crazy Otto
In-Reply-To: <72f7003a-a631-46be-8dee-591e7660e087@amps.net>
References: <72f7003a-a631-46be-8dee-591e7660e087@amps.net>
Message-ID: <77B34902-2E49-46BD-92FE-33391F216DC4@icloud.com>

Thmb tacks? Do you mena drawing pins? :-)

> On 23 Jan 2023, at 13:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone remember Crazy Otto - a jazz pianist who had a 'treated' piano - slightly de-tuned
> and thumbtacks on the hammers - bit like we used to do with a celeste to turn it into a 'jangle' piano.
> He was a classical pianist under the name of Fritz Schulz-Reichel.
> Which proves the point that if you are going to fool about, you've got to be bloody good to
> start with - like a clown on a high wire?
> I have most of his recordings which sold well, I understand.
> Pat
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? 
Graeme Wall




From doug at puddifoot.me  Tue Jan 24 04:15:42 2023
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 10:15:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Crazy Otto
Message-ID: <yvg1xhlmhsqk6mr412ee5gcf.1674555342198@email.android.com>

Here's a sample

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AQhM4smxPU

Doug

On 24 January 2023, at 08:45, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Thmb tacks? Do you mena drawing pins? :-)

> On 23 Jan 2023, at 13:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone remember Crazy Otto - a jazz pianist who had a 'treated' piano - slightly de-tuned
> and thumbtacks on the hammers - bit like we used to do with a celeste to turn it into a 'jangle' piano.
> He was a classical pianist under the name of Fritz Schulz-Reichel.
> Which proves the point that if you are going to fool about, you've got to be bloody good to
> start with - like a clown on a high wire?
> I have most of his recordings which sold well, I understand.
> Pat
> <51hOsOXIpxL._AC_.jpg> -- 
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? 
Graeme Wall



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jan 24 07:59:40 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 13:59:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Crazy Otto
In-Reply-To: <77B34902-2E49-46BD-92FE-33391F216DC4@icloud.com>
References: <72f7003a-a631-46be-8dee-591e7660e087@amps.net>
	<77B34902-2E49-46BD-92FE-33391F216DC4@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <4536b03d-e8b1-4279-5a06-5be16ec6a611@amps.net>

Yes, of course.
I copied the text from the CD inlay card.
It's another insidious Americanism creeping in!
The disc was made in Germany, but he did record at RIAS
(Radio Im Amerikanischen Sektor) in 1953.

I dare not play it to a music teacher friend who has perfect pitch!

I have great friends who being classical fans, would not allow anything 
like this in the house.
I played to his daughter, some Firehouse Five - a Dixieland style jazz 
band who
were Walt Disney's animators. She pronounced it 'happy music'. Later, on her
bedroom shelf, I was delighted to spy a 3 CD collection of the FH5.
It's certainly brilliant party music.

Her brother, married with three kids, all were taken by me to "42nd 
Street" when it ran at
Theatre Royal a few years ago. That went down an absolute storm!
So I'm a bit naughty in perpetrating something different for them.

Pat

On 24/01/2023 08:45, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Thmb tacks? Do you mena drawing pins? :-)
>
>> On 23 Jan 2023, at 13:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone remember Crazy Otto - a jazz pianist who had a 'treated' piano - slightly de-tuned
>> and thumbtacks on the hammers - bit like we used to do with a celeste to turn it into a 'jangle' piano.
>> He was a classical pianist under the name of Fritz Schulz-Reichel.
>> Which proves the point that if you are going to fool about, you've got to be bloody good to
>> start with - like a clown on a high wire?
>> I have most of his recordings which sold well, I understand.
>> Pat
>> <51hOsOXIpxL._AC_.jpg> --
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>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jan 25 02:25:01 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 08:25:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
Message-ID: <67AE539D-E5B5-44E7-A940-01BF93C36DEF@mac.com>

Sorry to contact you via the forum, Roger (Long) but I don?t have your e-mail address and I?ve received a message addressed individually to me, with attachments purporting to be from you, which seems very unlikely. 

Mike Giles

From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jan 25 03:26:00 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 09:26:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
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I had one like that as well, something about sending photos with a very dodgy link.


> On 25 Jan 2023, at 08:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Sorry to contact you via the forum, Roger (Long) but I don?t have your e-mail address and I?ve received a message addressed individually to me, with attachments purporting to be from you, which seems very unlikely. 
> 
> Mike Giles
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> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

? 
Graeme Wall




From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jan 25 03:54:32 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 09:54:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
In-Reply-To: <343F7090-D6CF-49D3-AB0E-31B8021C95E3@btinternet.com>
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I presumed not - I will delete it. 

Mike G

> On 25 Jan 2023, at 09:38, Roger Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Not sent by me Mike
> Roger
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25 Jan 2023, at 08:26, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Sorry to contact you via the forum, Roger (Long) but I don?t have your e-mail address and I?ve received a message addressed individually to me, with attachments purporting to be from you, which seems very unlikely. 
>> 
>> Mike Giles
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 


From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 04:48:06 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 10:48:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
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Hi Mike

I should have mentioned it at the time but about a week ago I had a
random message from 'Mike Giles' one day last week. Sounds like it was
the exact same text and attachment. "You might like to see these
photos" and a link.

The email address on it wasn't your usual one (had a foreign country
indicator as part of the name) so I just deleted it and flagged the
address to go automatically to the bin on arrival.

Sounds like someone on the group has been hacked and some fake names
are being used for spam.

David Brunt

On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 08:26, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sorry to contact you via the forum, Roger (Long) but I don?t have your e-mail address and I?ve received a message addressed individually to me, with attachments purporting to be from you, which seems very unlikely.
>
> Mike Giles
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 25 05:29:58 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 11:29:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
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References: <67AE539D-E5B5-44E7-A940-01BF93C36DEF@mac.com>
	<CAFKgnyyUp0fu7-ynBP2gjDgsqdNqRqCFpwm=hDykcJpCK0piiQ@mail.gmail.com>
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You might try installing Avast Anti-track, which seems to stifle any 
attempt to attack your email list.

Similarly I don't get spoof phone calls, these days. Maybe that's merely 
because I look at 'Caller Display',
and if unrecognised, is immediately manually cancelled.

I loved the scene in 'GoldenEye' where the Russian nerd computer geek 
could send a 'spike'
to rot up the distant computer. Oh! would it be for real!

Pat H

On 25/01/2023 10:48, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
> I should have mentioned it at the time but about a week ago I had a
> random message from 'Mike Giles' one day last week. Sounds like it was
> the exact same text and attachment. "You might like to see these
> photos" and a link.
>
> The email address on it wasn't your usual one (had a foreign country
> indicator as part of the name) so I just deleted it and flagged the
> address to go automatically to the bin on arrival.
>
> Sounds like someone on the group has been hacked and some fake names
> are being used for spam.
>
> David Brunt
>
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 08:26, Mike Giles via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>> Sorry to contact you via the forum, Roger (Long) but I don?t have your e-mail address and I?ve received a message addressed individually to me, with attachments purporting to be from you, which seems very unlikely.
>>
>> Mike Giles
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 06:47:59 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:47:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
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Problem with blocking calls not recognised is outgoing switchboards from 
doctor and hospitals etc often don't use the incoming number you know. 
Indeed, my urologist once phoned me up to discuss test results using a 
mobile phone, by number.

On 25/01/2023 11:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> You might try installing Avast Anti-track, which seems to stifle any 
> attempt to attack your email list.
> 
> Similarly I don't get spoof phone calls, these days. Maybe that's merely 
> because I look at 'Caller Display',
> and if unrecognised, is immediately manually cancelled.
> 
> I loved the scene in 'GoldenEye' where the Russian nerd computer geek 
> could send a 'spike'
> to rot up the distant computer. Oh! would it be for real!
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 25/01/2023 10:48, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Hi Mike
>>
>> I should have mentioned it at the time but about a week ago I had a
>> random message from 'Mike Giles' one day last week. Sounds like it was
>> the exact same text and attachment. "You might like to see these
>> photos" and a link.
>>
>> The email address on it wasn't your usual one (had a foreign country
>> indicator as part of the name) so I just deleted it and flagged the
>> address to go automatically to the bin on arrival.
>>
>> Sounds like someone on the group has been hacked and some fake names
>> are being used for spam.
>>
>> David Brunt
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 08:26, Mike Giles via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>> Sorry to contact you via the forum, Roger (Long) but I don?t have your e-mail address and I?ve received a message addressed individually to me, with attachments purporting to be from you, which seems very unlikely.
>>>
>>> Mike Giles
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Jan 25 07:13:46 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 13:13:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
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On 25/01/2023 12:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Problem with blocking calls not recognised is outgoing switchboards 
> from doctor and hospitals etc often don't use the incoming number you 
> know. Indeed, my urologist once phoned me up to discuss test results 
> using a mobile phone, by number.
>
Indeed. And the spoofers often now pick a local number that could be a 
neighbour.

Chris Woolf



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jan 25 07:19:47 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 13:19:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
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Good point, Dave,

I do not employ auto-screening, so I still have the facility to answer 
and find out who's calling.

Who would have thought that Bell's invention should develop into 
something really irritating.

And I have a hate against Microsoft! (Which keeps interfering with what 
I'm working on).
Remember that irritating paperclip?
I would really love to see a (Panorama?) fly-on-the wall programme in 
the boardroom
when new ideas are put forward for brand image, logos, ad script etc.
I would want an interactive reply system to tell them if it's a lousy idea!

Hope your waterworks dept is OK!
It's a bugger getting old.
I only realised this when I hit 79 in 2021.
Both my knees started protesting.

Pat H

On 25/01/2023 12:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Problem with blocking calls not recognised is outgoing switchboards 
> from doctor and hospitals etc often don't use the incoming number you 
> know. Indeed, my urologist once phoned me up to discuss test results 
> using a mobile phone, by number.
>
> On 25/01/2023 11:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> You might try installing Avast Anti-track, which seems to stifle any 
>> attempt to attack your email list.
>>
>> Similarly I don't get spoof phone calls, these days. Maybe that's 
>> merely because I look at 'Caller Display',
>> and if unrecognised, is immediately manually cancelled.
>>
>> I loved the scene in 'GoldenEye' where the Russian nerd computer geek 
>> could send a 'spike'
>> to rot up the distant computer. Oh! would it be for real!
>>
>> Pat H
>>
>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 07:36:46 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 13:36:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
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	<9c56e034-f83a-f0dc-934d-00c1befb9a2e@amps.net>
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	<0f336cc5-1593-c203-bb12-8bc425d67997@amps.net>
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I do have a device called TrueCall on my landline. You feed in your 
contact list to it, and it only lets numbers from that straight through. 
You can add extra numbers to it at any time. And a genuine caller can 
get thought via a series of hoops. A spam one won't bother. If you power 
it down, it routes the phone line straight through. But old now, and may 
well be better options currently. I tend to leave it off, unless spam 
calls are frequent - they seem to come in batches here.

On 25/01/2023 13:19, Pat Heigham wrote:
> Good point, Dave,
> 
> I do not employ auto-screening, so I still have the facility to answer 
> and find out who's calling.
> 
> Who would have thought that Bell's invention should develop into 
> something really irritating.
> 
> And I have a hate against Microsoft! (Which keeps interfering with what 
> I'm working on).
> Remember that irritating paperclip?
> I would really love to see a (Panorama?) fly-on-the wall programme in 
> the boardroom
> when new ideas are put forward for brand image, logos, ad script etc.
> I would want an interactive reply system to tell them if it's a lousy idea!
> 
> Hope your waterworks dept is OK!
> It's a bugger getting old.
> I only realised this when I hit 79 in 2021.
> Both my knees started protesting.
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 25/01/2023 12:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Problem with blocking calls not recognised is outgoing switchboards 
>> from doctor and hospitals etc often don't use the incoming number you 
>> know. Indeed, my urologist once phoned me up to discuss test results 
>> using a mobile phone, by number.
>>
>> On 25/01/2023 11:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> You might try installing Avast Anti-track, which seems to stifle any 
>>> attempt to attack your email list.
>>>
>>> Similarly I don't get spoof phone calls, these days. Maybe that's 
>>> merely because I look at 'Caller Display',
>>> and if unrecognised, is immediately manually cancelled.
>>>
>>> I loved the scene in 'GoldenEye' where the Russian nerd computer geek 
>>> could send a 'spike'
>>> to rot up the distant computer. Oh! would it be for real!
>>>
>>> Pat H
>>>
>>


From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jan 25 17:32:40 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:32:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspicious message
In-Reply-To: <0f336cc5-1593-c203-bb12-8bc425d67997@amps.net>
References: <0f336cc5-1593-c203-bb12-8bc425d67997@amps.net>
Message-ID: <49C578DA-10DA-4C0D-BCBF-FE459ACB8C51@mac.com>

Just get your knees to complain to each other, Pat!

Mike G

> On 25 Jan 2023, at 13:20, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Good point, Dave,
> 
> I do not employ auto-screening, so I still have the facility to answer and find out who's calling.
> 
> Who would have thought that Bell's invention should develop into something really irritating.
> 
> And I have a hate against Microsoft! (Which keeps interfering with what I'm working on).
> Remember that irritating paperclip?
> I would really love to see a (Panorama?) fly-on-the wall programme in the boardroom
> when new ideas are put forward for brand image, logos, ad script etc.
> I would want an interactive reply system to tell them if it's a lousy idea!
> 
> Hope your waterworks dept is OK!
> It's a bugger getting old.
> I only realised this when I hit 79 in 2021.
> Both my knees started protesting.
> 
> Pat H
> 
> On 25/01/2023 12:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Problem with blocking calls not recognised is outgoing switchboards from doctor and hospitals etc often don't use the incoming number you know. Indeed, my urologist once phoned me up to discuss test results using a mobile phone, by number. 
>> 
>>> On 25/01/2023 11:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: 
>>> You might try installing Avast Anti-track, which seems to stifle any attempt to attack your email list. 
>>> 
>>> Similarly I don't get spoof phone calls, these days. Maybe that's merely because I look at 'Caller Display', 
>>> and if unrecognised, is immediately manually cancelled. 
>>> 
>>> I loved the scene in 'GoldenEye' where the Russian nerd computer geek could send a 'spike' 
>>> to rot up the distant computer. Oh! would it be for real! 
>>> 
>>> Pat H 
>>> 
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jan 26 07:32:36 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 13:32:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Staying active and healthy
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Sent again, this time from an address that Tech1 recognises.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Nick Ware
Date: 26 January 2023 at 10:42:05 GMT
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Staying active and healthy

??My Brother-in-Law, Barry Rose is 89. Tomorrow he?s off to New York and Philadelphia for a two and a half week series of broadcast and streamed choral concerts and organ recitals. Even after many decades of working with and alongside organists, and trying to play myself, I still don?t understand how even a younger person can achieve the level of physical and mental agility that that entails, never mind an 89 year-old.
But he still does it effortlessly to the highest possible level of excellence. With some encouragement, much of it from me, he?s written his memoir which is selling in hard-back and on Amazon in greater than expected numbers. He has always been keen on recording and is very much into the most advanced and modern forms of digital audio editing and audio restoration etc.
I?m happy to boast that whilst I haven?t achieved anything on his level, I have followed his constant advice that as long as you keep physically and mentally active, you can stay that way for much longer. He says that the moment you sit around doing nothing, that is when you start to fall apart (his words for it).
One thing that has kept me fit is daily dog-walking. On a typical Sunday morning we expect to cover at least three to four miles.
Keep fit, stay active, and live long!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 25 Jan 2023, at 23:33, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Just get your knees to complain to each other, Pat!

Mike G

On 25 Jan 2023, at 13:20, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Good point, Dave,

I do not employ auto-screening, so I still have the facility to answer and find out who's calling.

Who would have thought that Bell's invention should develop into something really irritating.

And I have a hate against Microsoft! (Which keeps interfering with what I'm working on).
Remember that irritating paperclip?
I would really love to see a (Panorama?) fly-on-the wall programme in the boardroom
when new ideas are put forward for brand image, logos, ad script etc.
I would want an interactive reply system to tell them if it's a lousy idea!

Hope your waterworks dept is OK!
It's a bugger getting old.
I only realised this when I hit 79 in 2021.
Both my knees started protesting.

Pat H

On 25/01/2023 12:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
Problem with blocking calls not recognised is outgoing switchboards from doctor and hospitals etc often don't use the incoming number you know. Indeed, my urologist once phoned me up to discuss test results using a mobile phone, by number.

On 25/01/2023 11:29, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
You might try installing Avast Anti-track, which seems to stifle any attempt to attack your email list.

Similarly I don't get spoof phone calls, these days. Maybe that's merely because I look at 'Caller Display',
and if unrecognised, is immediately manually cancelled.

I loved the scene in 'GoldenEye' where the Russian nerd computer geek could send a 'spike'
to rot up the distant computer. Oh! would it be for real!

Pat H


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Jan 26 10:40:43 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 16:40:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bargain of the week!
Message-ID: <92775101-FD13-4B60-A751-F007EFA823C6@icloud.com>

Clearing out some cupboards I discovered I still have an Analogue to Digital video converter. If anybody has a need to transfer eg VHS to computer they are welcome to have it. I?m in the Guildford area. It?s a Datavideo DAC2 that I got to transfer some Betacam material into Final Cut Pro for editing.


? 
Graeme Wall




From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jan 30 14:17:03 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:17:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Andre Rieu Concert New Year's Eve
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I've replied before, but I will say that a guy who may or not be a great 
insrumentalist, can put together
a series of concerts, and maybe funds them as well, providing an 
enjpyable entertainment, with the
orchestra and audience having a ball,? is worthy of bit of acclaim?

Maybe he takes a bit of the ticket price! But why not?

I'm intrigued to know if the 'cheek' mics are put through a 
limiter/compressor?

Pat


 ?01/01/2023 11:44, ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com wrote:

> I have never enjoyed Andre Rieu.
>
> Much better concert is the annual concert from Vienna broadcast on BBC
>
> Very dear to my heart as I worked on Beethoven?s Ninth Symphony from the StatsConcerthalle which is the next concert hall along the corridor, with Leonard Bernstein conducting. Fantastic experience
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 17:50:10 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 23:50:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pop goes Newsnight
Message-ID: <aa30ab57-2f63-bff6-d0b8-052dc8510188@gmail.com>

It was an OB for Milton Keynes tonight about the 'B' word. Questions 
from an audience. With a few radio hand-mics passed around them. Hideous 
great things, and despite the size, popping like the clappers. Does 
no-one really make a suitable mic for speech these days?  Os is the BBC 
now so poor it can't afford them?


From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Tue Jan 31 02:40:58 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 08:40:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pop goes Newsnight
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Absolutely agree Dave, I also hate the modern habit of giving reporters a 416 in a basket windshield + windjammer, or a softie, to use for a PTC. I think it began during lockdown when suddenly it was acceptable to have fish poles and mics in shot in the interests of social distancing. Fair enough at the time but the habit has persisted. Alan Whicker churned out excellent sound with a little hand held STC, what?s gone wrong?

Hugh Snape

> On 30 Jan 2023, at 23:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?It was an OB for Milton Keynes tonight about the 'B' word. Questions from an audience. With a few radio hand-mics passed around them. Hideous great things, and despite the size, popping like the clappers. Does no-one really make a suitable mic for speech these days?  Os is the BBC now so poor it can't afford them?
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Tue Jan 31 05:08:48 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 11:08:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pop goes Newsnight
In-Reply-To: <D8A62FBF-19B9-40C7-B2B0-52F77211D375@talktalk.net>
References: <D8A62FBF-19B9-40C7-B2B0-52F77211D375@talktalk.net>
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FYI: https://www.facebook.com/groups/411248849080553/permalink/2063978667140888/

> On 31 Jan 2023, at 08:41, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Absolutely agree Dave, I also hate the modern habit of giving reporters a 416 in a basket windshield + windjammer, or a softie, to use for a PTC. I think it began during lockdown when suddenly it was acceptable to have fish poles and mics in shot in the interests of social distancing. Fair enough at the time but the habit has persisted. Alan Whicker churned out excellent sound with a little hand held STC, what?s gone wrong?
> 
> Hugh Snape
> 
>> On 30 Jan 2023, at 23:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?It was an OB for Milton Keynes tonight about the 'B' word. Questions from an audience. With a few radio hand-mics passed around them. Hideous great things, and despite the size, popping like the clappers. Does no-one really make a suitable mic for speech these days?  Os is the BBC now so poor it can't afford them?
>> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 09:55:43 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:55:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Money saving tips
Message-ID: <63c1056a-1249-5168-a0cf-8966031c5c6f@gmail.com>

What's the most ludicrous one you've seen published? This one

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/money-saving/were-saving-2000-year-daily-26107314?fbclid=IwAR20ENoiHnUsRdv9gwXkUB_lkFd_vACs8qPQHELhB4WOBaFbmOWHyMajtWE

takes some beating. A family says they save ?2000 a year by turning off 
the electricity for a hour each day. Assuming they are in bed for 8 
hours a day and using no electricity means their normal bill is 
something like ?30000 a year.

For a bigger laugh, the father claims to be a financial advisor.


From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Jan 31 12:01:12 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 18:01:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pop goes Newsnight
In-Reply-To: <EB94F9B4-242B-4038-8784-9321264DF4E8@talktalk.net>
References: <D8A62FBF-19B9-40C7-B2B0-52F77211D375@talktalk.net>
	<EB94F9B4-242B-4038-8784-9321264DF4E8@talktalk.net>
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Has anybody joined this group?

Mike G



> On 31 Jan 2023, at 11:08, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> FYI: https://www.facebook.com/groups/411248849080553/permalink/2063978667140888/
> 
>> On 31 Jan 2023, at 08:41, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Absolutely agree Dave, I also hate the modern habit of giving reporters a 416 in a basket windshield + windjammer, or a softie, to use for a PTC. I think it began during lockdown when suddenly it was acceptable to have fish poles and mics in shot in the interests of social distancing. Fair enough at the time but the habit has persisted. Alan Whicker churned out excellent sound with a little hand held STC, what?s gone wrong?
>> 
>> Hugh Snape
>> 
>>> On 30 Jan 2023, at 23:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?It was an OB for Milton Keynes tonight about the 'B' word. Questions from an audience. With a few radio hand-mics passed around them. Hideous great things, and despite the size, popping like the clappers. Does no-one really make a suitable mic for speech these days?  Os is the BBC now so poor it can't afford them?
>>> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jan 31 12:48:53 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:48:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pop goes Newsnight
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jan 31 13:31:10 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:31:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pop goes Newsnight
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Yes, me too. Worth joining even if only in a passive mode. Even better for anyone with a real interest in latest techniques, inside info and audio technology is the IPS, needless to say.
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 31 Jan 2023, at 18:49, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Yes Mike,
I have been a member for a few years. A bit of a sound biase as Rob who admins it is x LWT sound, but quite a broad range of members across most broadcasters.


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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 31 January 2023 19:01
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: mibridge at mac.com
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pop goes Newsnight

Has anybody joined this group?

Mike G



On 31 Jan 2023, at 11:08, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

FYI: https://www.facebook.com/groups/411248849080553/permalink/2063978667140888/

On 31 Jan 2023, at 08:41, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?Absolutely agree Dave, I also hate the modern habit of giving reporters a 416 in a basket windshield + windjammer, or a softie, to use for a PTC. I think it began during lockdown when suddenly it was acceptable to have fish poles and mics in shot in the interests of social distancing. Fair enough at the time but the habit has persisted. Alan Whicker churned out excellent sound with a little hand held STC, what?s gone wrong?

Hugh Snape

On 30 Jan 2023, at 23:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?It was an OB for Milton Keynes tonight about the 'B' word. Questions from an audience. With a few radio hand-mics passed around them. Hideous great things, and despite the size, popping like the clappers. Does no-one really make a suitable mic for speech these days?  Os is the BBC now so poor it can't afford them?

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