From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  1 14:14:55 2023
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 20:14:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Fri Dec  1 15:16:29 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 21:16:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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As a kid it was my favourite programme. Michael Bentine I think but I cannot remember the name of the programme where they had lots of clever( for the time) mechanical items, which is probably why the guys are under the table.
Sent from my iPad

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Dec  1 16:29:17 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 22:29:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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Another Bentine fan here.

I wonder if that picture with the guys beneath the table is when Bentine used to do his flea circus? I remember footprints appearing and objects moving, but of course the fleas themselves were too small to see on our tiny TV screens.

Alan


> On 1 Dec 2023, at 21:17, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?As a kid it was my favourite programme. Michael Bentine I think but I cannot remember the name of the programme where they had lots of clever( for the time) mechanical items, which is probably why the guys are under the table.
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On 1 Dec 2023, at 20:16, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Dec  1 16:59:05 2023
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 22:59:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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I think Square World was the audience show where quite a lot of water got thrown around, and we managed to get Durex approved as a stores item that one could go and ask for. To protect the warm-up hand mic, you understand?.yeah, right!!
Nick Ware - sent from my iPad

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Dec  2 03:45:35 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 09:45:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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Pretty certain that was Square World.

I'll talk to Mike McCarthy who was the ace gram op charged with sorting 
out all the sound effects for the animated tableaus.
My memory of the programme:
On 'Square World' - the winning one for Golden Rose - I was on the main 
boom over Mike Bentine's
counter, there was a large cup of coffee in front of him.
Superimposed was a telecine cartoon figure who wanders on, then dives 
into the cup!
At that moment, the special FX man under the counter squirts a jet of 
liquid from underneath the cup
- rather too hard, as the jet hit the mic fair and square and for the 
rest of the scene was dripping everywhere!

Happy Days!

Pat H

On 01/12/2023 21:16, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote:
> As a kid it was my favourite programme. Michael Bentine I think but I 
> cannot remember the name of the programme where they had lots of 
> clever( for the time) mechanical items, which is probably why the guys 
> are under the table.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Dec  2 04:22:38 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:22:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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> On 2 Dec 2023, at 09:46, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> At that moment, the special FX man under the counter squirts a jet of liquid from underneath the cup
> - rather too hard, as the jet hit the mic fair and square and for the rest of the scene was dripping everywhere!
> 

You should have gone to tech stores and got a condom for the microphone.  We are told that they were specially stocked for Bentine shows. 

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 04:25:14 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:25:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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The bearded man on the right under the table is Peter Day of Visual Effects.

Hard to tell if that's Jack Kine on the left or one of the other VFX assistants.

Certainly a working effects prop of some sort.

On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 at 20:15, Gary Critcher via Tech1
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 04:53:21 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:53:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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Hi,

I worked on a complete series of "It's a Square World". (Can't believe 
it was some 60 years ago ...)

As regards film inserts - well, this could be quite tricky.? I remember 
one show quite clearly.? Michael B was standing in front of a back 
projection screen - very much in "TV Presenter" mode - and action would 
happen on the BP behind his presentation. BUT - here's the but - the 
director wanted to cut to the film on occasion.? No way you could get a 
decent picture out of Back Projection.? So the BP and the TK BOTH had a 
print of the film "insert" - and both would play .... at the same time 
... Now, the issue was that the BP machine - a regular cinema projector 
- took a 10 second run-up: so with a "10" in the gate, it was then a 10 
second cue to run BP.? The telecine machines at the time took about 8.5 
seconds to run up to speed, so the two film "projectors" could not be 
cued together.? So, at the 10 second mark, it was "Cue BP" and at the 
8.5 second mark it was "Run TK".? Just to add a little extra spice, the 
BP machinists - although they wore Cans - were supposed to be cued by 
the stage manager, so it was "Cue BP" to the stage manager, who in turn 
flagged the BP machine to start.? Meanwhile, TK took their cue directly 
off talkback, so the TK Operator pressed the start button as soon as 
they heard "Run TK".? And well yes, we were professional in those 
days... the two disparate machines produced their pictures enough in 
sync to let the vision mixer cut between TK and "presenter plus BP" 
without horrible "jump cuts".

Later there was Eidophor for BP use, so that machine would take its feed 
from the TK output - everything in sync.? Then CS0? ... then ...


On one show we had a complete item on TK. ? When it was played first 
during a run-through, the whole crew just were in fits of laughter - it 
was "The Sinking of the Woolwich Ferry".

---------

BTW, Talking of cueing - it is driving me mad that playout can't cue 
"Only Connect" correctly and every time (bar one this series) they 
mangle the start music...

Best regards,

Alec

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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Dec  2 09:30:18 2023
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 15:30:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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Methinks I worked on that show, which looks to me like Michael Bentine's 
'Worms in my window-box' item, when his plants were snaffled downwards 
all of a sudden.

If so, I might have been the guy left of frame, but more likely had the 
shot facing Bentine over the special effects team.? What was the source, 
please!

Hugh

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Dec  3 10:05:28 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 16:05:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Geoff Hawkes service of celebration details.
Message-ID: <t1ac6o88rv2rppp8hl6qvjb6.1701619528765@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Please see details received from Geoff son.

It is with great sadness that the family of Geoffrey Hawkes announce that he passed away on 21st November. The service to celebrate Geoff?s life will take place at Broadway Baptist Church, Chesham HP5 1EG on Friday 15th December at 2pm. Family flowers only but donations, if desired, to benefit British Heat Foundation and CompassionUK.


( Steve's email is imperial.dalek at gmail.com )

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sun Dec  3 10:33:25 2023
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 16:33:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's A Square World
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Hello folks,

The later series was "Bentine Time" and was shot in October 1972. IIRC 
the little critters in the sand were "The Potties"'? John Holmes was the 
Sound Supervisor, and I was the Grams Op for? most of the series.

Merry Christmas one and all!

JH2 (John Holmes was JH1)




On 01/12/2023 21:16, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote:
> As a kid it was my favourite programme. Michael Bentine I think but I 
> cannot remember the name of the programme where they had lots of 
> clever( for the time) mechanical items, which is probably why the guys 
> are under the table.
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 1 Dec 2023, at 20:16, Gary Critcher via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Dec  3 12:11:05 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 18:11:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Geoff Hawkes service of celebration details.
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That is something of a shock, last time we met he seemed to be in fine health.

> On 3 Dec 2023, at 16:05, paul--- via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Please see details received from Geoff son.
> 
> It is with great sadness that the family of Geoffrey Hawkes announce that he passed away on 21st November. The service to celebrate Geoff?s life will take place at Broadway Baptist Church, Chesham HP5 1EG on Friday 15th December at 2pm. Family flowers only but donations, if desired, to benefit British Heat Foundation and CompassionUK.
> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Dec  3 12:15:53 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 18:15:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Geoff Hawkes service of celebration details.
In-Reply-To: <6D1599D8-ED9D-4D3F-98A9-797469861DDF@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <r6bgerre8ppbgasdsqdp2vll.1701627353173@pgtmedia.co.uk>

It was sudden. The family had to wait for a PM and an inquest before the arrangements could be made.

I posted about his passing shortly after his passing, but I di not belive it went out to most people. I think the tech1 Announce list had a better day today!




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Cc: announce at tech-ops.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Geoff Hawkes service of celebration details.


That is something of a shock, last time we met he seemed to be in fine health.

> On 3 Dec 2023, at 16:05, paul--- via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Please see details received from Geoff son.
>
> It is with great sadness that the family of Geoffrey Hawkes announce that he passed away on 21st November. The service to celebrate Geoff?s life will take place at Broadway Baptist Church, Chesham HP5 1EG on Friday 15th December at 2pm. Family flowers only but donations, if desired, to benefit British Heat Foundation and CompassionUK.
>
>
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From briantech at gmx.co.uk  Sun Dec  3 13:56:44 2023
From: briantech at gmx.co.uk (Brian Dale)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:56:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Geoff Hawkes service of celebration details.
In-Reply-To: <t1ac6o88rv2rppp8hl6qvjb6.1701619528765@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Here's a picture a Geoff in case you need to connect the name and face.

Brian Dale

On 03/12/2023 16:05, paul--- via Tech1 wrote:
> Please see details received from Geoff son.
>
> It is with great sadness that the family of Geoffrey Hawkes announce that he passed away on 21st November. The service to celebrate Geoff?s life will take place at Broadway Baptist Church, Chesham HP5 1EG on Friday 15th December at 2pm. Family flowers only but donations, if desired, to benefit British Heat Foundation and CompassionUK.
>
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  4 12:20:08 2023
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 18:20:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bill Bonner
Message-ID: <EFDD23F2-763B-42B3-9A15-85CFA09C9CDD@btinternet.com>

Dear All
Sad news I?m afraid. Bill Bonner dies yesterday. 
Many in tech ops may remember him he was a prop buyer and worked on many programmes over the years. He looked a bit like Father Christmas with his white beard but was respected and liked by many in TV. 
Albert 

Sent from my iPhone


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  4 17:50:13 2023
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 23:50:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bill Bonner
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Hi Albert
	That?s very sad news indeed. Bill was a real character. 
He was props buyer on Grange Hill when I was the sound supervisor and one day when I went to my pigeon hole there was a very large pile of heavy boxes near it. 
They were school books for the Grange Hill series??..all addressed to B.Bonner!  Bill and I had a good laugh about it!

Incidentally, I was called Bill by my parents and still am by my sister but that?s another story!

Barry.



On 4 Dec 2023, at 18:20, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear All
> Sad news I?m afraid. Bill Bonner dies yesterday. 
> Many in tech ops may remember him he was a prop buyer and worked on many programmes over the years. He looked a bit like Father Christmas with his white beard but was respected and liked by many in TV. 
> Albert 
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 14 10:21:05 2023
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:21:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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Any ideas? lads?
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Thu Dec 14 10:29:16 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:29:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !

Hugh

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Dec 14 10:30:14 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:30:14 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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Looks a bit like a young Roger Fenna on the camera, but I make a lot of mistakes in my eighties!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 14 10:36:24 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:36:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
In-Reply-To: <7FB16A9B-7244-4DA4-9F60-99A38B7BCFDC@talktalk.net>
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At Thames, when we did a bit from the car park, there was a cupboard 
full of old OB coats etc, as studio types don't come in expecting to 
work outside.


On 14/12/2023 16:29, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
> There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the 
> faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, 
> not ideal for sound operations !
> 
> Hugh
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Any ideas? lads?
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Dec 14 10:43:33 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:43:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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From philiptyler at me.com  Thu Dec 14 10:49:28 2023
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:49:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
In-Reply-To: <1986914958.2262744.1702570865481@mail.yahoo.com>
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That?s the one and only Roger Fenna on camera, and Dave Howell on sound.

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:22, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Dec 14 10:59:33 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:59:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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From taylornigel at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 14 13:26:40 2023
From: taylornigel at hotmail.com (Nigel Taylor)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:26:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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References: <1986914958.2262744.1702570865481.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. In late 1975 or early 1976  Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.

Nigel Taylor
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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
To: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....

There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !

Hugh

On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Dec 14 13:36:42 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:36:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
In-Reply-To: <DB9PR10MB65221BDD80485BAC9703E7DEBB8CA@DB9PR10MB6522.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1986914958.2262744.1702570865481.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. In late 1975 or early 1976  Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.
> 
> Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
> To: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>  There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !
> 
> Hugh
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Any ideas  lads?
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Thu Dec 14 14:28:10 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 20:28:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
In-Reply-To: <2C35919C-3C0D-4071-A5EA-68D4695620D6@icloud.com>
References: <1986914958.2262744.1702570865481.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<7FB16A9B-7244-4DA4-9F60-99A38B7BCFDC@talktalk.net>
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Here?s the link containing the Link:

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=6365908276842668&set=gm.6878324478882324&idorvanity=198160583565447

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:36, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. In late 1975 or early 1976  Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.
>> 
>> Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
>> To: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>> There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !
>> 
>> Hugh
>> 
>>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any ideas  lads?
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> 
> ? 
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> 
> 



From taylornigel at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 14 14:35:26 2023
From: taylornigel at hotmail.com (Nigel Taylor)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 20:35:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
In-Reply-To: <2C35919C-3C0D-4071-A5EA-68D4695620D6@icloud.com>
References: <1986914958.2262744.1702570865481.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1986914958.2262744.1702570865481@mail.yahoo.com>
	<7FB16A9B-7244-4DA4-9F60-99A38B7BCFDC@talktalk.net>
	<DB9PR10MB65221BDD80485BAC9703E7DEBB8CA@DB9PR10MB6522.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Just looked in my old diaries - I was allocated to a one day 'Centre Play', 0830 to 2230, on Friday 21st January 1977, TC6, Crew 19 (Roger Fenna, Senior Cameraman). That could be it. The early start would allow for the extra rigging time for the two cameras, which were cabled back to the studio.

TC6 was the first of the main studios to lose the EMI 2001's.
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From: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
Sent: 14 December 2023 19:36
To: Nigel Taylor <taylornigel at hotmail.com>
Cc: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>; Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net>; Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....

Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. In late 1975 or early 1976  Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.
>
> Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
> To: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>  There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !
>
> Hugh
>
>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Any ideas  lads?
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Dec 15 01:30:52 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:30:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
In-Reply-To: <2C35919C-3C0D-4071-A5EA-68D4695620D6@icloud.com>
References: <2C35919C-3C0D-4071-A5EA-68D4695620D6@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <C4118C79-6DFD-41BD-BBC3-B0BDA8521308@mac.com>

The sound man is Dave Howell and I recognise the cameraman but can?t bring his name to mind. I?m pretty sure he was a Senior Cameraman at TVC. 

Mike G

> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:37, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. In late 1975 or early 1976  Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.
>> 
>> Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
>> To: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>> There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !
>> 
>> Hugh
>> 
>>>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any ideas  lads?
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Dec 15 01:35:01 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 07:35:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
In-Reply-To: <C4118C79-6DFD-41BD-BBC3-B0BDA8521308@mac.com>
References: <C4118C79-6DFD-41BD-BBC3-B0BDA8521308@mac.com>
Message-ID: <71B1FEE9-D444-405B-9F29-0B480237382B@mac.com>

Of course - Roger Fenna - why do names get buried too deep in the brain to bring to the surface, even though it?s something you know you know?

Mike G

> On 15 Dec 2023, at 07:32, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The sound man is Dave Howell and I recognise the cameraman but can?t bring his name to mind. I?m pretty sure he was a Senior Cameraman at TVC.
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:37, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.
>> 
>>>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. In late 1975 or early 1976  Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.
>>> 
>>> Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
>>> To: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>>> There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !
>>> 
>>> Hugh
>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Any ideas  lads?
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 15 03:07:14 2023
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:07:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
In-Reply-To: <DB9PR10MB652254BE43521862F6F76625BB8CA@DB9PR10MB6522.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Yip!? I'd said Roger Fenna as soon as I saw it. Is he still with us?? 
Are his whereabouts known?

Hugh



On 14/12/2023 20:35, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Just looked in my old diaries - I was allocated to a one day 'Centre 
> Play', 0830 to 2230, on Friday 21^st ?January 1977, TC6, Crew 19 
> (Roger Fenna, Senior Cameraman). That could be it. The early start 
> would allow for the extra rigging time for the two cameras, which were 
> cabled back to the studio.
>
> TC6 was the first of the main studios to lose the EMI 2001's.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:*?Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
> *Sent:*?14 December 2023 19:36
> *To:*?Nigel Taylor <taylornigel at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:*?Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>; Hugh Snape 
> <hughsnape at talktalk.net>; Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:*?Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
> Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.
>
> > On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. 
> In late 1975 or early 1976? Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning 
> shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was 
> the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.
> >
> > Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of 
> Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
> > To: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
> >? There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of 
> the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional 
> coats, not ideal for sound operations !
> >
> > Hugh
> >
> >> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Any ideas? lads?
> >> <Screenshot_20231214-192006_Samsung Internet.jpg>--
> >> Tech1 mailing list
> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >> 
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Fri Dec 15 03:53:06 2023
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:53:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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Hi Hugh

Sadly Roger Fenna has gone already to the great studio in the sky and today is the funeral of another of his crew, the lovely Geoff Hawkes.

Too many going nowadays.

Stay safe everyone and have a great Christmas and a Happy & Healthy New Year.

Graham Maunder

Apodis Media . Brackenwood, High Road . Pinner . Middx . HA5 2HQ
            Mobile: 07831 515678   Visit Us: www.apodis.tv

> On 15 Dec 2023, at 09:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Yip!  I'd said Roger Fenna as soon as I saw it. Is he still with us?  Are his whereabouts known?
>  
> Hugh
> 
> 
> On 14/12/2023 20:35, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Just looked in my old diaries - I was allocated to a one day 'Centre Play', 0830 to 2230, on Friday 21st January 1977, TC6, Crew 19 (Roger Fenna, Senior Cameraman). That could be it. The early start would allow for the extra rigging time for the two cameras, which were cabled back to the studio.
>> 
>> TC6 was the first of the main studios to lose the EMI 2001's.
>> From: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> <mailto:graeme.wall at icloud.com>
>> Sent: 14 December 2023 19:36
>> To: Nigel Taylor <taylornigel at hotmail.com> <mailto:taylornigel at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com> <mailto:gary_critcher at yahoo.com>; Hugh Snape <hughsnape at talktalk.net> <mailto:hughsnape at talktalk.net>; Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>>  
>> Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.
>> 
>> > On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. In late 1975 or early 1976  Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.
>> >
>> > Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> > Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
>> > To: Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com> <mailto:gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
>> > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>> >  There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !
>> >
>> > Hugh
>> >
>> >> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas  lads?
>> >> <Screenshot_20231214-192006_Samsung Internet.jpg>--
>> >> Tech1 mailing list
>> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> >> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce180146a9fc54ec505f708dbfcdc07f9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638381794175721143%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ubyz%2F6C3Vqa4cgshqmcvefaYnJtPiMP69haIMnKUKgM%3D&reserved=0 <http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>
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>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Fri Dec 15 17:04:34 2023
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 23:04:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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However, there is one of the old guard still battling on. I was with 
Geoff Tindale, (TVC cameraman), last week celebrating his 90th birthday 
and still enjoying his regular trips to the golf course and the ski 
slope! Here he is with his two nieces and special cake.

Dave Beer


On 15/12/2023 09:53, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Hugh
>
> Sadly Roger Fenna has gone already to the great studio in the sky and 
> today is the funeral of another of his crew, the lovely Geoff Hawkes.
>
> Too many going nowadays.
>
> Stay safe everyone and have a great Christmas and a Happy & Healthy 
> New Year.
>
> Graham Maunder
>
> Apodis Media . Brackenwood, High Road . Pinner . Middx . HA5 2HQ
> Mobile: 07831 515678? ?Visit Us:www.apodis.tv <http://www.apodis.tv>
>
>> On 15 Dec 2023, at 09:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Yip!? I'd said Roger Fenna as soon as I saw it. Is he still with us?? 
>> Are his whereabouts known?
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>> On 14/12/2023 20:35, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Just looked in my old diaries - I was allocated to a one day 'Centre 
>>> Play', 0830 to 2230, on Friday 21^st ?January 1977, TC6, Crew 19 
>>> (Roger Fenna, Senior Cameraman). That could be it. The early start 
>>> would allow for the extra rigging time for the two cameras, which 
>>> were cabled back to the studio.
>>>
>>> TC6 was the first of the main studios to lose the EMI 2001's.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:*?Graeme Wall<graeme.wall at icloud.com>
>>> *Sent:*?14 December 2023 19:36
>>> *To:*?Nigel Taylor<taylornigel at hotmail.com>
>>> *Cc:*?Gary Critcher<gary_critcher at yahoo.com>; Hugh 
>>> Snape<hughsnape at talktalk.net>; Tech ops<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> *Subject:*?Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>>> Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.
>>>
>>> > On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via 
>>> Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. 
>>> In late 1975 or early 1976? Crew 19 did a one-day play with a 
>>> morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in 
>>> TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from 
>>> that production.
>>> >
>>> > Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1<tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>on behalf of 
>>> Hugh Snape via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> > Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
>>> > To: Gary Critcher<gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
>>> > Cc:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>>> >? There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either 
>>> of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue 
>>> Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !
>>> >
>>> > Hugh
>>> >
>>> >> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via 
>>> Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Any ideas? lads?
>>> >> <Screenshot_20231214-192006_Samsung Internet.jpg>--
>>> >> Tech1 mailing list
>>> >>Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> >>https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce180146a9fc54ec505f708dbfcdc07f9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638381794175721143%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ubyz%2F6C3Vqa4cgshqmcvefaYnJtPiMP69haIMnKUKgM%3D&reserved=0 
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Fri Dec 15 20:36:22 2023
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 02:36:22 +0000
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Sat Dec 16 14:37:12 2023
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 20:37:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
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Thanks Dave, it's always good to know who's still around, and congratulations to Geoff, I just hope I'm as sprightly at 90. I'm still playing table tennis (thank you Doug Watson for reforming my game, and are you still amongst us?) and pickle ball (thank you to U3A for introducing that here) although I haven't quite reached 80.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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On Friday, 15 December 2023 at 23:04, David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> However, there is one of the old guard still battling on. I was with Geoff Tindale, (TVC cameraman), last week celebrating his 90th birthday and still enjoying his regular trips to the golf course and the ski slope! Here he is with his two nieces and special cake.
>
> Dave Beer
>
> On 15/12/2023 09:53, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh
>>
>> Sadly Roger Fenna has gone already to the great studio in the sky and today is the funeral of another of his crew, the lovely Geoff Hawkes.
>>
>> Too many going nowadays.
>>
>> Stay safe everyone and have a great Christmas and a Happy & Healthy New Year.
>>
>> Graham Maunder
>>
>> Apodis Media . Brackenwood, High Road . Pinner . Middx . HA5 2HQ
>> Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us:www.apodis.tv
>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2023, at 09:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yip! I'd said Roger Fenna as soon as I saw it. Is he still with us? Are his whereabouts known?
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>> On 14/12/2023 20:35, Nigel Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just looked in my old diaries - I was allocated to a one day 'Centre Play', 0830 to 2230, on Friday 21st January 1977, TC6, Crew 19 (Roger Fenna, Senior Cameraman). That could be it. The early start would allow for the extra rigging time for the two cameras, which were cabled back to the studio.
>>>>
>>>> TC6 was the first of the main studios to lose the EMI 2001's.
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> From: Graeme Wall[<graeme.wall at icloud.com>](mailto:graeme.wall at icloud.com)
>>>> Sent: 14 December 2023 19:36
>>>> To: Nigel Taylor[<taylornigel at hotmail.com>](mailto:taylornigel at hotmail.com)
>>>> Cc: Gary Critcher[<gary_critcher at yahoo.com>](mailto:gary_critcher at yahoo.com); Hugh Snape[<hughsnape at talktalk.net>](mailto:hughsnape at talktalk.net); Tech ops[<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>>>>
>>>> Bit early for Link cameras, TC was still EMI 2001s then.
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 19:26, Nigel Taylor via Tech1[<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like Roger Fenna on the camera and Dave Howell with the mic. In late 1975 or early 1976 Crew 19 did a one-day play with a morning shoot in Frithville Gardens and the afternoon/evening in TC6. I was the trainee on the crew at that time. This maybe from that production.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nigel TaylorFrom: Tech1[<tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk)on behalf of Hugh Snape via Tech1[<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
>>>>> Sent: 14 December 2023 16:29
>>>>> To: Gary Critcher[<gary_critcher at yahoo.com>](mailto:gary_critcher at yahoo.com)
>>>>> Cc:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk[<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Seen on Facebook....
>>>>> There were quite a few answers on Facebook. I don?t know either of the faces but I did note the, very crinkly, standard issue Functional coats, not ideal for sound operations !
>>>>>
>>>>> Hugh
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2023, at 16:21, Gary Critcher via Tech1[<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas lads?
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Dec 17 07:06:56 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:06:56 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ted Kent TO23
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAACSsg4AwmjxPsTxExn/qL5ABAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADMO7vfVj7ATbQ2zrrGQyciAQAAAAA=@pgtmedia.co.uk>

At Geoff Hawkes Memorial Service I spoke to Edward (Ted) Kent who was on TO
23 
and was Geoff s Best Man.
He asked about joining the Tech Ops Email group. Unfortunately , at the
moment we do not have a way of adding anyone.

I have copied Ted on this Email, If you know Ted, and have memories of TO 23
or otherwise,  please make sure your replies have him in the CC of your
reply.
Hopefully the list will accept emails from me today!!!

(Ted is ted123kent at gmail.com )
  

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Dec 17 07:24:46 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:24:46 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] FW: Ted Kent TO23
In-Reply-To: <CAJqjnLhD4NN-ZBNkKWvpgD09DnoCaNhtgG6R3=mcp2CRfR4HEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAACSsg4AwmjxPsTxExn/qL5ABAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADMO7vfVj7ATbQ2zrrGQyciAQAAAAA=@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<CAJqjnLhD4NN-ZBNkKWvpgD09DnoCaNhtgG6R3=mcp2CRfR4HEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01da30ec$693f1d50$3bbd57f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>


From: Edward Kent <ted123kent at gmail.com> 
Sent: 17 December 2023 13:12
To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
Cc: Tech 1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Ted Kent TO23

Hi everyone  it was TO22, the large intake that took place at the same time as TO 21.
Ted

On Sun, 17 Dec 2023, 13:07 , <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
At Geoff Hawkes Memorial Service I spoke to Edward (Ted) Kent who was on TO
23 
and was Geoff s Best Man.
He asked about joining the Tech Ops Email group. Unfortunately , at the
moment we do not have a way of adding anyone.

I have copied Ted on this Email, If you know Ted, and have memories of TO 23
or otherwise,  please make sure your replies have him in the CC of your
reply.
Hopefully the list will accept emails from me today!!!

(Ted is mailto:ted123kent at gmail.com )


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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 17 07:52:14 2023
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:52:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] FW: Ted Kent TO23
In-Reply-To: <002d01da30ec$693f1d50$3bbd57f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <002d01da30ec$693f1d50$3bbd57f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DB9P195MB2084058A6656CB1AD15836BCD091A@DB9P195MB2084.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Some pictures from Geoff?s very moving service on Friday and The Order of Service from those how are interested. Sara x [image0.jpeg] [image1.jpeg] [image2.jpeg] [image3.jpeg] [image4.jpeg] [image5.jpeg] [image6.jpeg] [image7.jpeg] [image8.jpeg] [image9.jpeg]
Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Dec 2023, at 13:25, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
From: Edward Kent <ted123kent at gmail.com>
Sent: 17 December 2023 13:12
To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
Cc: Tech 1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Ted Kent TO23

Hi everyone  it was TO22, the large intake that took place at the same time as TO 21.
Ted

On Sun, 17 Dec 2023, 13:07 , <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
At Geoff Hawkes Memorial Service I spoke to Edward (Ted) Kent who was on TO
23
and was Geoff s Best Man.
He asked about joining the Tech Ops Email group. Unfortunately , at the
moment we do not have a way of adding anyone.

I have copied Ted on this Email, If you know Ted, and have memories of TO 23
or otherwise,  please make sure your replies have him in the CC of your
reply.
Hopefully the list will accept emails from me today!!!

(Ted is mailto:ted123kent at gmail.com )


Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Dec 19 16:19:08 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 22:19:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi8 video transfer
Message-ID: <2120C409-9D7A-46C4-89A6-F6662D598CC0@me.com>

I recall that there was recently a discussion mentioning a guy who did transfers from pretty well any format to digital files.  I?ve tried various search terms but can?t locate that email.

Can somebody kindly remind me who does this?

A relative has just turned up with three Hi8 cassettes which were found amongst her husband?s belongings after he passed away.  They aren?t labelled in any way and might possibly be blank, but if they have been recorded, for sentimental reasons she would obviously like to see what?s on them.

Alan

From w12rogers at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 06:50:42 2023
From: w12rogers at gmail.com (Georgie and Steve Rogers)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 12:50:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] crew 9
Message-ID: <CAJa+fU5OQFOJD1Jpfxts-jnrSM1iO_b+eW=rzc3A31xc0ts5NQ@mail.gmail.com>

nice Xmas picture just appeared on memories of TVC site
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 09:25:16 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 15:25:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] crew 9
In-Reply-To: <CAJa+fU5OQFOJD1Jpfxts-jnrSM1iO_b+eW=rzc3A31xc0ts5NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJa+fU5OQFOJD1Jpfxts-jnrSM1iO_b+eW=rzc3A31xc0ts5NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <872f566a-03cc-4dff-a1be-550fcf5e2d85@gmail.com>

I know all the faces, but can only put names to about a half.

Happy Christmas to all.

Dave

XXXX

On 24/12/2023 12:50, Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 wrote:
> nice Xmas picture just appeared on memories of TVC site
>
-- 
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London, SW



From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun Dec 24 10:14:15 2023
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 16:14:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] crew 9
In-Reply-To: <872f566a-03cc-4dff-a1be-550fcf5e2d85@gmail.com>
References: <CAJa+fU5OQFOJD1Jpfxts-jnrSM1iO_b+eW=rzc3A31xc0ts5NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<872f566a-03cc-4dff-a1be-550fcf5e2d85@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50d9363a-77dc-486e-8261-2af3deebe03e@btinternet.com>

BUT... but... could someone show the Crew 9 Xmas picture as an attachment?

I tried via the history site, but only picked out an un-Christmassy one 
of Laurie Duley...

Happy times,

Hugh

On 24/12/2023 15:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> I know all the faces, but can only put names to about a half.
>
> Happy Christmas to all.
>
> Dave
>
> XXXX
>
> On 24/12/2023 12:50, Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 wrote:
>> nice Xmas picture just appeared on memories of TVC site
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Dec 24 10:17:32 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 16:17:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] crew 9
In-Reply-To: <50d9363a-77dc-486e-8261-2af3deebe03e@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <8otlncjpa96ia7rueqr0hovb.1703434652877@pgtmedia.co.uk>






Paul Thackray

?

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

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Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

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	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 24 December 2023 16:14
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: hughsheppard at btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Tech1] crew 9


BUT... but... could someone show the Crew 9 Xmas picture as an attachment?


I tried via the history site, but only picked out an un-Christmassy one of Laurie Duley...

Happy times,

Hugh


On 24/12/2023 15:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

I know all the faces, but can only put names to about a half.

Happy Christmas to all.

Dave

XXXX

On 24/12/2023 12:50, Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 wrote:

nice Xmas picture just appeared on memories of TVC site
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Dec 24 10:27:18 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 16:27:18 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] crew 9
In-Reply-To: <50d9363a-77dc-486e-8261-2af3deebe03e@btinternet.com>
References: <CAJa+fU5OQFOJD1Jpfxts-jnrSM1iO_b+eW=rzc3A31xc0ts5NQ@mail.gmail.com><872f566a-03cc-4dff-a1be-550fcf5e2d85@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5487553ADBAC43CF992AC04C0FBE4B32@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Here you go Hugh,

Merry Christmas to all of you,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 4:14 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] crew 9

BUT... but... could someone show the Crew 9 Xmas picture as an attachment? 


I tried via the history site, but only picked out an un-Christmassy one of Laurie Duley...

Happy times,

Hugh


On 24/12/2023 15:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

  I know all the faces, but can only put names to about a half. 

  Happy Christmas to all.

  Dave 

  XXXX 

  On 24/12/2023 12:50, Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 wrote: 

    nice Xmas picture just appeared on memories of TVC site 




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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Dec 24 10:51:16 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 16:51:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] crew 9
In-Reply-To: <8otlncjpa96ia7rueqr0hovb.1703434652877@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <8otlncjpa96ia7rueqr0hovb.1703434652877@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A917533A-35EC-44E6-A3B9-06365C6061D5@icloud.com>

That will be a pint of drambuie shandy then!

Merry Christmas

> On 24 Dec 2023, at 16:17, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
>  
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 
> +44 7802 243979
> 
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
>  
> 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> 
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> 
> 
>   Original Message   
> 
> 
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 24 December 2023 16:14
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: hughsheppard at btinternet.com
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] crew 9
> 
> 
> BUT... but... could someone show the Crew 9 Xmas picture as an attachment?
> 
> 
> I tried via the history site, but only picked out an un-Christmassy one of Laurie Duley...
> 
> Happy times,
> 
> Hugh
> 
> 
> On 24/12/2023 15:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> I know all the faces, but can only put names to about a half.
> 
> Happy Christmas to all.
> 
> Dave
> 
> XXXX
> 
> On 24/12/2023 12:50, Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> nice Xmas picture just appeared on memories of TVC site
> 
> <1000009652.jpg>-- 
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? 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 11:05:26 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:05:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Picture crew 9
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB2GfWs=AiGG-bsO+9UpsZpGwmO04+Y44DSmpY6LFespdw@mail.gmail.com>

I think that this is the relevant picture! Enjoy!!
Best regards Alec

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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun Dec 24 11:17:48 2023
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:17:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] crew 9
In-Reply-To: <A917533A-35EC-44E6-A3B9-06365C6061D5@icloud.com>
References: <8otlncjpa96ia7rueqr0hovb.1703434652877@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <1770e271-05a6-4331-91a1-296c1e18a75a@btinternet.com>

WoW!? Thanks all, but where are Laurie, Bill, Ken et al?? Crewing for 
Otis in heaven I'd guess... from circa 1961 or thereabouts...

Every Seasonal Blessing,

Hugh


On 24/12/2023 16:51, Graeme Wall wrote:
> That will be a pint of drambuie shandy then!
>
> Merry Christmas
>
>> On 24 Dec 2023, at 16:17, paul--- via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>>
>>   
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>> +44 7802 243979
>>
>> Mail;paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>>   
>>
>> Web;http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>> Linkedin;http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>
>> IMDB;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>
>>
>>
>>    Original Message
>>
>>
>> From:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: 24 December 2023 16:14
>> To:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Reply to:hughsheppard at btinternet.com
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] crew 9
>>
>>
>> BUT... but... could someone show the Crew 9 Xmas picture as an attachment?
>>
>>
>> I tried via the history site, but only picked out an un-Christmassy one of Laurie Duley...
>>
>> Happy times,
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>> On 24/12/2023 15:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> I know all the faces, but can only put names to about a half.
>>
>> Happy Christmas to all.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> XXXX
>>
>> On 24/12/2023 12:50, Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> nice Xmas picture just appeared on memories of TVC site
>>
>> <1000009652.jpg>--
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Dec 24 11:40:03 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:40:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] crew 9
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Mon Dec 25 15:22:42 2023
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 21:22:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ian Lewis
Message-ID: <9Psxq3Y-wYHRmO9bG_W83I272WKLDvXl43L1p56d_nrt8aUCJNjZOsNuNP7rkZg2aWv-M3toAhQ8KTPfNhll7gqvFRGyRVsBg1iwrbQErGg=@protonmail.com>

I've just heard via the GTC forum and a message there from Bob Ewens that my good friend Ian suddenly passed away last Wednesday. Sadly I hadn't seen him in far too many years, but the news has hit hard. Bob says that he will pass on more news about service arrangements when he knows.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 29 01:40:54 2023
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 07:40:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
References: <1664312145.9413621.1703835654223.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1664312145.9413621.1703835654223@mail.yahoo.com>

? Guys, with Bernie's passing I'm just wondering if anyone is now able to update the Tech Ops website now and then?
?It would a great shame if it just stayed as is and gently fade away....
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Dec 29 03:31:38 2023
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 09:31:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <1664312145.9413621.1703835654223@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <l1m007qidc58qp2bum46262g.1703842298317@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Hi Gary,
I belive the only person with any access to the non email part is Alan Taylor.


Please see the email below he sent me in August. Not sure if he got any further.


Paul
............


Hi Paul,

I don?t know anything about the email system, but I did agree to archive messages and threads of significance onto the web site after Alec Bray announced that he could no longer continue doing it.

I have saved selected? emails and reformatted them for the web site, but when I tried to upload them onto the site, I couldn?t make sense of it.? Alec has offered help with it, but there have been so many things going on here and I didn?t want to keep wasting time trying to work out how to archive messages onto the web site when there are other demands on my time.

I will be away in Germany and Korea between now and October, but do intend to try and get to grips with WordPress once I get back. However I must stress that I?m only talking about archiving email threads which have been successfully distributed.? I know nothing about the technicalities of the email distribution and have no access to the inner workings of it any more than other users do.

Feel free to tell others about my involvement. I got the impression that some thought I was looking after the email system, but my involvement is solely with the web site and hasn?t really got started yet - I?ve locally saved the exchanges I propose to archive once I get my head round WordPress. I?m not aware that Bernie has involved anybody else with looking after the email system.

All the best

Alan?




Paul Thackray

?

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

+44 7802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

?

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/



	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 29 December 2023 07:41
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: gary_critcher at yahoo.com
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?


? Guys, with Bernie's passing I'm just wondering if anyone is now able to update the Tech Ops website now and then?


?It would a great shame if it just stayed as is and gently fade away....


All the best.?

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Dec 29 11:39:01 2023
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:39:01 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <l1m007qidc58qp2bum46262g.1703842298317@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <l1m007qidc58qp2bum46262g.1703842298317@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6CCC4160198D4440B2EB25550803126D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

These latest updates do seem to me to indicate a pretty low level of 
likelihood that the overall forum structure as we all enjoyed it with Bernie 
at the helm can be fully restored. Some of us obviously obtain a very 
satisfying stream of material from the "Memories of working at Television 
Centre" Facebook group, but of course this is a broader based accumulation 
of interests. If significant numbers of members of our Tech Ops forum feel 
that its narrower format should not be lost, what options exist?

I suppose in theory, given the apparent availability of archived material, 
an entirely new forum incorporating it could be contemplated. That of course 
would require ability, dedication and a huge time and energy drain few if 
any of us could commit to. Perhaps a newly created Facebook group might be a 
candidate?

I think maybe an attempt at gathering together, via some sort of poll, what 
everyone's feelings are could at least establish what level of overall 
interest exists. Or do people feel 'DNR' is the appropriate analogy?

Any support for a move in this direction?

Happy New Year everyone,

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: paul--- via Tech1
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 9:31 AM
To: Gary Critcher ; Tech 1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?

Hi Gary,
I belive the only person with any access to the non email part is Alan 
Taylor.


Please see the email below he sent me in August. Not sure if he got any 
further.


Paul
............


Hi Paul,

I don?t know anything about the email system, but I did agree to archive 
messages and threads of significance onto the web site after Alec Bray 
announced that he could no longer continue doing it.

I have saved selected  emails and reformatted them for the web site, but 
when I tried to upload them onto the site, I couldn?t make sense of it. 
Alec has offered help with it, but there have been so many things going on 
here and I didn?t want to keep wasting time trying to work out how to 
archive messages onto the web site when there are other demands on my time.

I will be away in Germany and Korea between now and October, but do intend 
to try and get to grips with WordPress once I get back. However I must 
stress that I?m only talking about archiving email threads which have been 
successfully distributed.  I know nothing about the technicalities of the 
email distribution and have no access to the inner workings of it any more 
than other users do.

Feel free to tell others about my involvement. I got the impression that 
some thought I was looking after the email system, but my involvement is 
solely with the web site and hasn?t really got started yet - I?ve locally 
saved the exchanges I propose to archive once I get my head round WordPress. 
I?m not aware that Bernie has involved anybody else with looking after the 
email system.

All the best

Alan




Paul Thackray



PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

+44 7802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk



Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/



  Original Message


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 29 December 2023 07:41
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: gary_critcher at yahoo.com
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?


  Guys, with Bernie's passing I'm just wondering if anyone is now able to 
update the Tech Ops website now and then?


It would a great shame if it just stayed as is and gently fade away....


All the best.
-- 
Tech1 mailing list
Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk 



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Dec 29 12:05:05 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:05:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <6CCC4160198D4440B2EB25550803126D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <l1m007qidc58qp2bum46262g.1703842298317@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<6CCC4160198D4440B2EB25550803126D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <7a6a95c0-e38c-4566-b51e-45078c6abd7a@amps.net>

Personally, I will have nothing to do with Facebook or any other 'social 
media' networks, so that is discriminating against me!

I might suggest that an approach to:

Simon Vaughan - historian of the Alexandra Palace Society

Charles Norton - young archivist who handles a lot of BBC material.

or maybe Natasha Maclean - runs the Alumni website for ex-BBC staff 
(seems a most likely candidate to merge all the memories)

Might find a gold thread.

Pat Heigham


On 29/12/2023 17:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> These latest updates do seem to me to indicate a pretty low level of 
> likelihood that the overall forum structure as we all enjoyed it with 
> Bernie at the helm can be fully restored. Some of us obviously obtain 
> a very satisfying stream of material from the "Memories of working at 
> Television Centre" Facebook group, but of course this is a broader 
> based accumulation of interests. If significant numbers of members of 
> our Tech Ops forum feel that its narrower format should not be lost, 
> what options exist?
>
> I suppose in theory, given the apparent availability of archived 
> material, an entirely new forum incorporating it could be 
> contemplated. That of course would require ability, dedication and a 
> huge time and energy drain few if any of us could commit to. Perhaps a 
> newly created Facebook group might be a candidate?
>
> I think maybe an attempt at gathering together, via some sort of poll, 
> what everyone's feelings are could at least establish what level of 
> overall interest exists. Or do people feel 'DNR' is the appropriate 
> analogy?
>
> Any support for a move in this direction?
>
> Happy New Year everyone,
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
>
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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 29 12:12:20 2023
From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (sue.malden)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:12:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <7a6a95c0-e38c-4566-b51e-45078c6abd7a@amps.net>
Message-ID: <6577B87C024D047A@re-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>
	(added by postmaster@btinternet.com)

I wonder if the BBC Pensioners Assos or Robert Seatter BBC History would be able to helpCheers SueSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 29/12/2023  18:05  (GMT+00:00) To: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>, paul at pgtmedia.co.uk, Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com>, Tech 1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tech Ops website? 
    Personally, I will have nothing to do with
        Facebook or any other 'social media' networks, so that is
        discriminating against me!
    I might suggest that an approach to:
    Simon Vaughan - historian of the Alexandra
        Palace Society
    Charles Norton - young archivist who handles
        a lot of BBC material.
    or maybe Natasha Maclean - runs the Alumni
        website for ex-BBC staff (seems a most likely candidate to merge
        all the memories)
    Might find a gold thread.
      
    Pat Heigham
      
    
      
    On 29/12/2023 17:39, David Newbitt via
      Tech1 wrote:
    
    These
      latest updates do seem to me to indicate a pretty low level of
      likelihood that the overall forum structure as we all enjoyed it
      with Bernie at the helm can be fully restored. Some of us
      obviously obtain a very satisfying stream of material from the
      "Memories of working at Television Centre" Facebook group, but of
      course this is a broader based accumulation of interests. If
      significant numbers of members of our Tech Ops forum feel that its
      narrower format should not be lost, what options exist?
      
      
      I suppose in theory, given the apparent availability of archived
      material, an entirely new forum incorporating it could be
      contemplated. That of course would require ability, dedication and
      a huge time and energy drain few if any of us could commit to.
      Perhaps a newly created Facebook group might be a candidate?
      
      
      I think maybe an attempt at gathering together, via some sort of
      poll, what everyone's feelings are could at least establish what
      level of overall interest exists. Or do people feel 'DNR' is the
      appropriate analogy?
      
      
      Any support for a move in this direction?
      
      
      Happy New Year everyone,
      
      
      Dave Newbitt.
      
      
      
    
  

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 29 12:55:06 2023
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 18:55:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <6CCC4160198D4440B2EB25550803126D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <l1m007qidc58qp2bum46262g.1703842298317@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<6CCC4160198D4440B2EB25550803126D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB0weFikzrM_git-QmYf8Sd0oi4MbCnTOh5+wdg=ERU1UQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

It would be a considerable loss to the future if the Tech Ops site material
would disappear - it is the "folk history" told by the practitioners and
sits alongside the folk histories of, for example, the steam era railwaymen
- it is a source that can never be recreated it the way it is now.  I know
that Bernie told us that he asked in his will for the web site to be paid
for for some 10 years after his death, so we have some wiggle room.  I was
expecting his family to be in touch with Alan (or myself) re the future of
the site.

There have been a couple of interesting suggestions, and I'll add a couple
- but note I (nor Alan to my knowledge) have approached these:  1.  The BBC
archive site at Caversham or 2. The Bradford National Science and Media
Museum.

There are also two sort-of parallel web sites - VT old boys and the old OB
people's web site.  So there are a number of avenues to explore.

Very best regards,

Alec


Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Fri, 29 Dec 2023, 17:39 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> These latest updates do seem to me to indicate a pretty low level of
> likelihood that the overall forum structure as we all enjoyed it with
> Bernie
> at the helm can be fully restored. Some of us obviously obtain a very
> satisfying stream of material from the "Memories of working at Television
> Centre" Facebook group, but of course this is a broader based accumulation
> of interests. If significant numbers of members of our Tech Ops forum feel
> that its narrower format should not be lost, what options exist?
>
> I suppose in theory, given the apparent availability of archived material,
> an entirely new forum incorporating it could be contemplated. That of
> course
> would require ability, dedication and a huge time and energy drain few if
> any of us could commit to. Perhaps a newly created Facebook group might be
> a
> candidate?
>
> I think maybe an attempt at gathering together, via some sort of poll,
> what
> everyone's feelings are could at least establish what level of overall
> interest exists. Or do people feel 'DNR' is the appropriate analogy?
>
> Any support for a move in this direction?
>
> Happy New Year everyone,
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul--- via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 9:31 AM
> To: Gary Critcher ; Tech 1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
>
> Hi Gary,
> I belive the only person with any access to the non email part is Alan
> Taylor.
>
>
> Please see the email below he sent me in August. Not sure if he got any
> further.
>
>
> Paul
> ............
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I don?t know anything about the email system, but I did agree to archive
> messages and threads of significance onto the web site after Alec Bray
> announced that he could no longer continue doing it.
>
> I have saved selected  emails and reformatted them for the web site, but
> when I tried to upload them onto the site, I couldn?t make sense of it.
> Alec has offered help with it, but there have been so many things going on
> here and I didn?t want to keep wasting time trying to work out how to
> archive messages onto the web site when there are other demands on my time.
>
> I will be away in Germany and Korea between now and October, but do intend
> to try and get to grips with WordPress once I get back. However I must
> stress that I?m only talking about archiving email threads which have been
> successfully distributed.  I know nothing about the technicalities of the
> email distribution and have no access to the inner workings of it any more
> than other users do.
>
> Feel free to tell others about my involvement. I got the impression that
> some thought I was looking after the email system, but my involvement is
> solely with the web site and hasn?t really got started yet - I?ve locally
> saved the exchanges I propose to archive once I get my head round
> WordPress.
> I?m not aware that Bernie has involved anybody else with looking after the
> email system.
>
> All the best
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> Paul Thackray
>
>
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> +44 7802 243979
>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
>
>
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
>
>
>   Original Message
>
>
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 29 December 2023 07:41
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: gary_critcher at yahoo.com
> Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
>
>
>   Guys, with Bernie's passing I'm just wondering if anyone is now able to
> update the Tech Ops website now and then?
>
>
> It would a great shame if it just stayed as is and gently fade away....
>
>
> All the best.
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
>
> --
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Fri Dec 29 13:48:39 2023
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 19:48:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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Pat, agreed, facebook is to be avoided

Peter Fox

On 29 Dec 2023, at 18:05, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Personally, I will have nothing to do with Facebook or any other 'social media' networks, so that is discriminating against me!

I might suggest that an approach to:

Simon Vaughan - historian of the Alexandra Palace Society

Charles Norton - young archivist who handles a lot of BBC material.

or maybe Natasha Maclean - runs the Alumni website for ex-BBC staff (seems a most likely candidate to merge all the memories)

Might find a gold thread.

Pat Heigham



On 29/12/2023 17:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> These latest updates do seem to me to indicate a pretty low level of likelihood that the overall forum structure as we all enjoyed it with Bernie at the helm can be fully restored. Some of us obviously obtain a very satisfying stream of material from the "Memories of working at Television Centre" Facebook group, but of course this is a broader based accumulation of interests. If significant numbers of members of our Tech Ops forum feel that its narrower format should not be lost, what options exist? 
> 
> I suppose in theory, given the apparent availability of archived material, an entirely new forum incorporating it could be contemplated. That of course would require ability, dedication and a huge time and energy drain few if any of us could commit to. Perhaps a newly created Facebook group might be a candidate? 
> 
> I think maybe an attempt at gathering together, via some sort of poll, what everyone's feelings are could at least establish what level of overall interest exists. Or do people feel 'DNR' is the appropriate analogy? 
> 
> Any support for a move in this direction? 
> 
> Happy New Year everyone, 
> 
> Dave Newbitt. 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Dec 30 05:16:31 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 11:16:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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On 29/12/2023 19:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
> Pat, agreed, facebook is to be avoided
>
>
Agreed in principle, but unfortunately it isn't feasible to have no 
connection at all with the likes of Meta (behind Facebook, WhatsApp, 
Workplace, Instagram, etc); or Google (too many platforms to name); 
Microsoft, Apple etc, all of which collect your data and try to use it 
wherever possible. But then the UK police do too, having just quietly 
incorporated the database of passports and driving licences into facial 
recognition libraries. You can't go into a supermarket without leaving a 
trace somewhere.

The only answer is to use such services carefully. Never accept full 
sets of cookies, always "manage" them. Use tangential interfaces such as 
Duck Duck Go, lie inconsistently about date of birth, gender, racial 
characteristics. Save stuff to the cloud by all means, but keep changing 
the account. Use lots of different looks - FR has terrible problems with 
hats, sunglasses, women's make-up etc - where there are high levels of 
CCTV - that really isn't paranoia. You'd be amazed at how inaccurate the 
facial recognition stuff is, and how it guesses the top 10-20% of 
matches. "But sir, the cameras saw you in Leeds at the scene of that 
rape - it's no good telling us you were in Bristol that day..."

I do find the Tech Ops site useful, and not just because of its history 
stuff and park-bench stick-waving. But I have to admit to not having the 
time to run it - too many other calls on my time and grey cells.

Starting afresh with one of the simpler list systems is probably the 
best approach to keeping things running. Trying to understand someone 
else's one, cobbled together over several years is usually harder.

Bet there's someone with sufficient skills and time out there....


Chris Woolf



From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 07:02:11 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 13:02:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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In the past, I was on several email groups similar to this one. Mainly 
related to my hobbies. Although this one for some reason seemed to have 
the most flaky software. All but this and one other are now moribund. 
Having migrated to much easier to use things like Facebook, etc. Where 
if you want to add a pic etc you can do easily. It is easy to set up a 
closed group on FB to prevent spam and nutcases etc. And only members of 
that group can read it.

I do realises the concerns about privacy, etc, with any social media. 
But as soon as you go online you are vulnerable anyway?
  >
> On 29/12/2023 19:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>> Pat, agreed, facebook is to be avoided
>>
>>
> Agreed in principle, but unfortunately it isn't feasible to have no 
> connection at all with the likes of Meta (behind Facebook, WhatsApp, 
> Workplace, Instagram, etc); or Google (too many platforms to name); 
> Microsoft, Apple etc, all of which collect your data and try to use it 
> wherever possible. But then the UK police do too, having just quietly 
> incorporated the database of passports and driving licences into facial 
> recognition libraries. You can't go into a supermarket without leaving a 
> trace somewhere.
> 
> The only answer is to use such services carefully. Never accept full 
> sets of cookies, always "manage" them. Use tangential interfaces such as 
> Duck Duck Go, lie inconsistently about date of birth, gender, racial 
> characteristics. Save stuff to the cloud by all means, but keep changing 
> the account. Use lots of different looks - FR has terrible problems with 
> hats, sunglasses, women's make-up etc - where there are high levels of 
> CCTV - that really isn't paranoia. You'd be amazed at how inaccurate the 
> facial recognition stuff is, and how it guesses the top 10-20% of 
> matches. "But sir, the cameras saw you in Leeds at the scene of that 
> rape - it's no good telling us you were in Bristol that day..."
> 
> I do find the Tech Ops site useful, and not just because of its history 
> stuff and park-bench stick-waving. But I have to admit to not having the 
> time to run it - too many other calls on my time and grey cells.
> 
> Starting afresh with one of the simpler list systems is probably the 
> best approach to keeping things running. Trying to understand someone 
> else's one, cobbled together over several years is usually harder.
> 
> Bet there's someone with sufficient skills and time out there....
> 
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Dec 30 07:46:01 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 13:46:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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I?m a reluctant user of Facebook because our village uses a private FB site to communicate stuff about village life. The only info that FB have about me is a misleading name and false DoB.  I try to dissuade people from posting pictures of me on FB and strongly object to having my name tagged against a picture.

FB offers some advantages in that any member of a group can add postings, pictures etc rather easily.  It?s also good for propagating the latest news rapidly.  Where it falls down for me is scrolling a long way to find older posts.  The search feature is OK if you know what you?re searching for, but not so good if you need to scroll around associated postings. To my mind, the Tech Ops site should be more of an archive rather than a news site and isn?t well suited to FB.

As for the big tech companies, I would not put all of their data gathering operations into the same category.  Much depends on why data is collected and what it?s used for.  Many convenient features on smartphones are only possible if data is held centrally.  However if that data is anonymised, or encrypted so that only the user?s devices can access it, then I don?t have a problem with that.  Where I do have massive reservations is with the companies who gather data about people and then sell it to third parties.

I?d rather spend a small amount of money to buy online storage ( in my case ?2.99 for 200GB, shared between myself, my wife and one child at uni ), rather than use ?free? services where the user becomes the commodity. Similarly I use a browser which respects privacy ( DuckDuckGo ) and never Google.  Neither do I use Google Maps or Google Mail.  All the apps I use have to declare exactly what data is collected from users before they are allowed into the App Store. If an app needs to know my location, I have to specifically allow it to do so, including options such as ?never?, ?only once?, or ?only while using the app?.  There is also usually an option to only pass on vague location data ( nearest town ) rather than your precise position.

It?s difficult to be online without leaving some sort of footprints, but there are ways to minimise those footprints.  In simple terms, if a service is free, then you are likely to end up paying for it in some other way.  On the other hand, if you pay for a service, or that service is provided as a perk for buying certain hardware, then there should be no justification for monetising the data gathered from those customers. 

Alan


> On 30 Dec 2023, at 11:17, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
>> On 29/12/2023 19:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>> Pat, agreed, facebook is to be avoided
>> 
>> 
> Agreed in principle, but unfortunately it isn't feasible to have no connection at all with the likes of Meta (behind Facebook, WhatsApp, Workplace, Instagram, etc); or Google (too many platforms to name); Microsoft, Apple etc, all of which collect your data and try to use it wherever possible. But then the UK police do too, having just quietly incorporated the database of passports and driving licences into facial recognition libraries. You can't go into a supermarket without leaving a trace somewhere.
> 
> The only answer is to use such services carefully. Never accept full sets of cookies, always "manage" them. Use tangential interfaces such as Duck Duck Go, lie inconsistently about date of birth, gender, racial characteristics. Save stuff to the cloud by all means, but keep changing the account. Use lots of different looks - FR has terrible problems with hats, sunglasses, women's make-up etc - where there are high levels of CCTV - that really isn't paranoia. You'd be amazed at how inaccurate the facial recognition stuff is, and how it guesses the top 10-20% of matches. "But sir, the cameras saw you in Leeds at the scene of that rape - it's no good telling us you were in Bristol that day..."
> 
> I do find the Tech Ops site useful, and not just because of its history stuff and park-bench stick-waving. But I have to admit to not having the time to run it - too many other calls on my time and grey cells.
> 
> Starting afresh with one of the simpler list systems is probably the best approach to keeping things running. Trying to understand someone else's one, cobbled together over several years is usually harder.
> 
> Bet there's someone with sufficient skills and time out there....
> 
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Sat Dec 30 08:16:53 2023
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 14:16:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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I subscribe to several forums which are based on this platform https://www.phpbb.com/ no idea what it might cost but it seems to work well and the features are straightforward.

Hugh

> On 30 Dec 2023, at 13:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m a reluctant user of Facebook because our village uses a private FB site to communicate stuff about village life. The only info that FB have about me is a misleading name and false DoB.  I try to dissuade people from posting pictures of me on FB and strongly object to having my name tagged against a picture.
> 
> FB offers some advantages in that any member of a group can add postings, pictures etc rather easily.  It?s also good for propagating the latest news rapidly.  Where it falls down for me is scrolling a long way to find older posts.  The search feature is OK if you know what you?re searching for, but not so good if you need to scroll around associated postings. To my mind, the Tech Ops site should be more of an archive rather than a news site and isn?t well suited to FB.
> 
> As for the big tech companies, I would not put all of their data gathering operations into the same category.  Much depends on why data is collected and what it?s used for.  Many convenient features on smartphones are only possible if data is held centrally.  However if that data is anonymised, or encrypted so that only the user?s devices can access it, then I don?t have a problem with that.  Where I do have massive reservations is with the companies who gather data about people and then sell it to third parties.
> 
> I?d rather spend a small amount of money to buy online storage ( in my case ?2.99 for 200GB, shared between myself, my wife and one child at uni ), rather than use ?free? services where the user becomes the commodity. Similarly I use a browser which respects privacy ( DuckDuckGo ) and never Google.  Neither do I use Google Maps or Google Mail.  All the apps I use have to declare exactly what data is collected from users before they are allowed into the App Store. If an app needs to know my location, I have to specifically allow it to do so, including options such as ?never?, ?only once?, or ?only while using the app?.  There is also usually an option to only pass on vague location data ( nearest town ) rather than your precise position.
> 
> It?s difficult to be online without leaving some sort of footprints, but there are ways to minimise those footprints.  In simple terms, if a service is free, then you are likely to end up paying for it in some other way.  On the other hand, if you pay for a service, or that service is provided as a perk for buying certain hardware, then there should be no justification for monetising the data gathered from those customers. 
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2023, at 11:17, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>>>> On 29/12/2023 19:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Pat, agreed, facebook is to be avoided
>>> 
>>> 
>> Agreed in principle, but unfortunately it isn't feasible to have no connection at all with the likes of Meta (behind Facebook, WhatsApp, Workplace, Instagram, etc); or Google (too many platforms to name); Microsoft, Apple etc, all of which collect your data and try to use it wherever possible. But then the UK police do too, having just quietly incorporated the database of passports and driving licences into facial recognition libraries. You can't go into a supermarket without leaving a trace somewhere.
>> 
>> The only answer is to use such services carefully. Never accept full sets of cookies, always "manage" them. Use tangential interfaces such as Duck Duck Go, lie inconsistently about date of birth, gender, racial characteristics. Save stuff to the cloud by all means, but keep changing the account. Use lots of different looks - FR has terrible problems with hats, sunglasses, women's make-up etc - where there are high levels of CCTV - that really isn't paranoia. You'd be amazed at how inaccurate the facial recognition stuff is, and how it guesses the top 10-20% of matches. "But sir, the cameras saw you in Leeds at the scene of that rape - it's no good telling us you were in Bristol that day..."
>> 
>> I do find the Tech Ops site useful, and not just because of its history stuff and park-bench stick-waving. But I have to admit to not having the time to run it - too many other calls on my time and grey cells.
>> 
>> Starting afresh with one of the simpler list systems is probably the best approach to keeping things running. Trying to understand someone else's one, cobbled together over several years is usually harder.
>> 
>> Bet there's someone with sufficient skills and time out there....
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 09:50:40 2023
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:50:40 +0000
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If you go into Facebook settings, you can set it so that you're not
tagged in any posts.  Same with much staying out of much of the data
gathering you're worried about.  You could also sign up to a FB group
with any false name you wish to use.

Private group posts can not be seen by everyone on Facebook. Only
those *in* the same group.

In any case. Several existing Tech-ops site pages can be found in a
google (or other engine) search, so privacy isn't even an option
there.




On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 13:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I?m a reluctant user of Facebook because our village uses a private FB site to communicate stuff about village life. The only info that FB have about me is a misleading name and false DoB.  I try to dissuade people from posting pictures of me on FB and strongly object to having my name tagged against a picture.
>
> FB offers some advantages in that any member of a group can add postings, pictures etc rather easily.  It?s also good for propagating the latest news rapidly.  Where it falls down for me is scrolling a long way to find older posts.  The search feature is OK if you know what you?re searching for, but not so good if you need to scroll around associated postings. To my mind, the Tech Ops site should be more of an archive rather than a news site and isn?t well suited to FB.
>
> As for the big tech companies, I would not put all of their data gathering operations into the same category.  Much depends on why data is collected and what it?s used for.  Many convenient features on smartphones are only possible if data is held centrally.  However if that data is anonymised, or encrypted so that only the user?s devices can access it, then I don?t have a problem with that.  Where I do have massive reservations is with the companies who gather data about people and then sell it to third parties.
>
> I?d rather spend a small amount of money to buy online storage ( in my case ?2.99 for 200GB, shared between myself, my wife and one child at uni ), rather than use ?free? services where the user becomes the commodity. Similarly I use a browser which respects privacy ( DuckDuckGo ) and never Google.  Neither do I use Google Maps or Google Mail.  All the apps I use have to declare exactly what data is collected from users before they are allowed into the App Store. If an app needs to know my location, I have to specifically allow it to do so, including options such as ?never?, ?only once?, or ?only while using the app?.  There is also usually an option to only pass on vague location data ( nearest town ) rather than your precise position.
>
> It?s difficult to be online without leaving some sort of footprints, but there are ways to minimise those footprints.  In simple terms, if a service is free, then you are likely to end up paying for it in some other way.  On the other hand, if you pay for a service, or that service is provided as a perk for buying certain hardware, then there should be no justification for monetising the data gathered from those customers.
>
> Alan
>
>
> > On 30 Dec 2023, at 11:17, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> >> On 29/12/2023 19:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
> >> Pat, agreed, facebook is to be avoided
> >>
> >>
> > Agreed in principle, but unfortunately it isn't feasible to have no connection at all with the likes of Meta (behind Facebook, WhatsApp, Workplace, Instagram, etc); or Google (too many platforms to name); Microsoft, Apple etc, all of which collect your data and try to use it wherever possible. But then the UK police do too, having just quietly incorporated the database of passports and driving licences into facial recognition libraries. You can't go into a supermarket without leaving a trace somewhere.
> >
> > The only answer is to use such services carefully. Never accept full sets of cookies, always "manage" them. Use tangential interfaces such as Duck Duck Go, lie inconsistently about date of birth, gender, racial characteristics. Save stuff to the cloud by all means, but keep changing the account. Use lots of different looks - FR has terrible problems with hats, sunglasses, women's make-up etc - where there are high levels of CCTV - that really isn't paranoia. You'd be amazed at how inaccurate the facial recognition stuff is, and how it guesses the top 10-20% of matches. "But sir, the cameras saw you in Leeds at the scene of that rape - it's no good telling us you were in Bristol that day..."
> >
> > I do find the Tech Ops site useful, and not just because of its history stuff and park-bench stick-waving. But I have to admit to not having the time to run it - too many other calls on my time and grey cells.
> >
> > Starting afresh with one of the simpler list systems is probably the best approach to keeping things running. Trying to understand someone else's one, cobbled together over several years is usually harder.
> >
> > Bet there's someone with sufficient skills and time out there....
> >
> >
> > Chris Woolf
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tech1 mailing list
> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Dec 30 12:26:30 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 18:26:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <CAFKgnyydd3_rCygeqtQ6dVXsuc2DqTjawRrvGqR==tMrzym4Kg@mail.gmail.com>
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Both my forename and surname are widely used, which makes it difficult to identify me online without further information because t here are so many Alan Taylors, but even the name I use on FB isn?t genuine for me.  On the other hand, my wife has a forename and ( maiden ) surname which appears to be unique on the entire internet. There is no other instance of that name, which made her feel easy about being so readily traceable by people who might have had a grudge against her, such as staff who she had to discipline or dismiss when she worked for a previous employer. As a result we have been careful to ensure that her name appears online as little as possible and is never publicly linked to where she lives.

Alan


> On 30 Dec 2023, at 15:51, David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If you go into Facebook settings, you can set it so that you're not
> tagged in any posts.  Same with much staying out of much of the data
> gathering you're worried about.  You could also sign up to a FB group
> with any false name you wish to use.
> 
> Private group posts can not be seen by everyone on Facebook. Only
> those *in* the same group.
> 
> In any case. Several existing Tech-ops site pages can be found in a
> google (or other engine) search, so privacy isn't even an option
> there.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 13:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m a reluctant user of Facebook because our village uses a private FB site to communicate stuff about village life. The only info that FB have about me is a misleading name and false DoB.  I try to dissuade people from posting pictures of me on FB and strongly object to having my name tagged against a picture.
>> 
>> FB offers some advantages in that any member of a group can add postings, pictures etc rather easily.  It?s also good for propagating the latest news rapidly.  Where it falls down for me is scrolling a long way to find older posts.  The search feature is OK if you know what you?re searching for, but not so good if you need to scroll around associated postings. To my mind, the Tech Ops site should be more of an archive rather than a news site and isn?t well suited to FB.
>> 
>> As for the big tech companies, I would not put all of their data gathering operations into the same category.  Much depends on why data is collected and what it?s used for.  Many convenient features on smartphones are only possible if data is held centrally.  However if that data is anonymised, or encrypted so that only the user?s devices can access it, then I don?t have a problem with that.  Where I do have massive reservations is with the companies who gather data about people and then sell it to third parties.
>> 
>> I?d rather spend a small amount of money to buy online storage ( in my case ?2.99 for 200GB, shared between myself, my wife and one child at uni ), rather than use ?free? services where the user becomes the commodity. Similarly I use a browser which respects privacy ( DuckDuckGo ) and never Google.  Neither do I use Google Maps or Google Mail.  All the apps I use have to declare exactly what data is collected from users before they are allowed into the App Store. If an app needs to know my location, I have to specifically allow it to do so, including options such as ?never?, ?only once?, or ?only while using the app?.  There is also usually an option to only pass on vague location data ( nearest town ) rather than your precise position.
>> 
>> It?s difficult to be online without leaving some sort of footprints, but there are ways to minimise those footprints.  In simple terms, if a service is free, then you are likely to end up paying for it in some other way.  On the other hand, if you pay for a service, or that service is provided as a perk for buying certain hardware, then there should be no justification for monetising the data gathered from those customers.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 30 Dec 2023, at 11:17, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>>> On 29/12/2023 19:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Pat, agreed, facebook is to be avoided
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Agreed in principle, but unfortunately it isn't feasible to have no connection at all with the likes of Meta (behind Facebook, WhatsApp, Workplace, Instagram, etc); or Google (too many platforms to name); Microsoft, Apple etc, all of which collect your data and try to use it wherever possible. But then the UK police do too, having just quietly incorporated the database of passports and driving licences into facial recognition libraries. You can't go into a supermarket without leaving a trace somewhere.
>>> 
>>> The only answer is to use such services carefully. Never accept full sets of cookies, always "manage" them. Use tangential interfaces such as Duck Duck Go, lie inconsistently about date of birth, gender, racial characteristics. Save stuff to the cloud by all means, but keep changing the account. Use lots of different looks - FR has terrible problems with hats, sunglasses, women's make-up etc - where there are high levels of CCTV - that really isn't paranoia. You'd be amazed at how inaccurate the facial recognition stuff is, and how it guesses the top 10-20% of matches. "But sir, the cameras saw you in Leeds at the scene of that rape - it's no good telling us you were in Bristol that day..."
>>> 
>>> I do find the Tech Ops site useful, and not just because of its history stuff and park-bench stick-waving. But I have to admit to not having the time to run it - too many other calls on my time and grey cells.
>>> 
>>> Starting afresh with one of the simpler list systems is probably the best approach to keeping things running. Trying to understand someone else's one, cobbled together over several years is usually harder.
>>> 
>>> Bet there's someone with sufficient skills and time out there....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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>> 
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Sat Dec 30 15:11:58 2023
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 21:11:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <D90333E8-F445-4FFC-B612-1C81ECE0435E@talktalk.net>
References: <304DB223-FF56-4CF7-9814-F9EFC4B3BA47@me.com>
	<D90333E8-F445-4FFC-B612-1C81ECE0435E@talktalk.net>
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I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.

Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.

Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that their handling of social platforms is perfectly safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email.

On Saturday, 30 December 2023 at 14:16, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I subscribe to several forums which are based on this platform https://www.phpbb.com/ no idea what it might cost but it seems to work well and the features are straightforward.
>
> Hugh
>
>> On 30 Dec 2023, at 13:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ?I?m a reluctant user of Facebook because our village uses a private FB site to communicate stuff about village life. The only info that FB have about me is a misleading name and false DoB. I try to dissuade people from posting pictures of me on FB and strongly object to having my name tagged against a picture.
>>
>> FB offers some advantages in that any member of a group can add postings, pictures etc rather easily. It?s also good for propagating the latest news rapidly. Where it falls down for me is scrolling a long way to find older posts. The search feature is OK if you know what you?re searching for, but not so good if you need to scroll around associated postings. To my mind, the Tech Ops site should be more of an archive rather than a news site and isn?t well suited to FB.
>>
>> As for the big tech companies, I would not put all of their data gathering operations into the same category. Much depends on why data is collected and what it?s used for. Many convenient features on smartphones are only possible if data is held centrally. However if that data is anonymised, or encrypted so that only the user?s devices can access it, then I don?t have a problem with that. Where I do have massive reservations is with the companies who gather data about people and then sell it to third parties.
>>
>> I?d rather spend a small amount of money to buy online storage ( in my case ?2.99 for 200GB, shared between myself, my wife and one child at uni ), rather than use ?free? services where the user becomes the commodity. Similarly I use a browser which respects privacy ( DuckDuckGo ) and never Google. Neither do I use Google Maps or Google Mail. All the apps I use have to declare exactly what data is collected from users before they are allowed into the App Store. If an app needs to know my location, I have to specifically allow it to do so, including options such as ?never?, ?only once?, or ?only while using the app?. There is also usually an option to only pass on vague location data ( nearest town ) rather than your precise position.
>>
>> It?s difficult to be online without leaving some sort of footprints, but there are ways to minimise those footprints. In simple terms, if a service is free, then you are likely to end up paying for it in some other way. On the other hand, if you pay for a service, or that service is provided as a perk for buying certain hardware, then there should be no justification for monetising the data gathered from those customers.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>> On 30 Dec 2023, at 11:17, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> ?
>>
>>>> On 29/12/2023 19:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>>> Pat, agreed, facebook is to be avoided
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> Agreed in principle, but unfortunately it isn't feasible to have no connection at all with the likes of Meta (behind Facebook, WhatsApp, Workplace, Instagram, etc); or Google (too many platforms to name); Microsoft, Apple etc, all of which collect your data and try to use it wherever possible. But then the UK police do too, having just quietly incorporated the database of passports and driving licences into facial recognition libraries. You can't go into a supermarket without leaving a trace somewhere.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> The only answer is to use such services carefully. Never accept full sets of cookies, always "manage" them. Use tangential interfaces such as Duck Duck Go, lie inconsistently about date of birth, gender, racial characteristics. Save stuff to the cloud by all means, but keep changing the account. Use lots of different looks - FR has terrible problems with hats, sunglasses, women's make-up etc - where there are high levels of CCTV - that really isn't paranoia. You'd be amazed at how inaccurate the facial recognition stuff is, and how it guesses the top 10-20% of matches. "But sir, the cameras saw you in Leeds at the scene of that rape - it's no good telling us you were in Bristol that day..."
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I do find the Tech Ops site useful, and not just because of its history stuff and park-bench stick-waving. But I have to admit to not having the time to run it - too many other calls on my time and grey cells.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Starting afresh with one of the simpler list systems is probably the best approach to keeping things running. Trying to understand someone else's one, cobbled together over several years is usually harder.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Bet there's someone with sufficient skills and time out there....
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --
>>
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>>
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Dec 31 05:56:56 2023
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 11:56:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <GfUtyQKX3NgqghThfGQBB9GoERX96-FESxcu12RoW9EIVOagwu7t2SG7KKUOd6lsCjZ_7jVdFGf05wfKXsr1jf0BgSwKHW8FhwET-_2_V9Y=@protonmail.com>
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What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no 
doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using 
_their_ programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.

Perhaps they _are _control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the 
way.
Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although 
there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.

Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, 
but maybe they are blinkered as well.

Bah
Pat (with his head in the sand!)

On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using 
> my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online 
> searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails 
> are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of 
> these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not 
> seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>
> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website 
> hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into 
> the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like 
> Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in 
> today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, 
> there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have 
> a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) 
> and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>
> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to 
> trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that 
> their handling of social platforms is perfectly 
> safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Dec 31 06:01:19 2023
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 12:01:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <3f0821dc-ee37-4065-80c1-46168c1fb60c@amps.net>
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Apart from Jobs being dead, there is nothing surreptitios about his programmes and apps, they are what you get with Apple devices. If you don?t want to use them get a Windows machine, oh angonamo?  As for Musk, he seems to be doing his best to drive people away from his app.

> On 31 Dec 2023, at 11:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using their programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.
> Perhaps they are control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the way.
> Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.
> Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, but maybe they are blinkered as well.
> Bah
> Pat (with his head in the sand!)
> On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>> 
>> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>> 
>> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that their handling of social platforms is perfectly safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> -- 
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

? 
Graeme Wall




From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 06:10:33 2023
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 12:10:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <3f0821dc-ee37-4065-80c1-46168c1fb60c@amps.net>
References: <304DB223-FF56-4CF7-9814-F9EFC4B3BA47@me.com>
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	<3f0821dc-ee37-4065-80c1-46168c1fb60c@amps.net>
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Pat, Musk is loosing money hand over fist on X formerly known as Twitter.

On 31/12/2023 11:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no 
> doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using 
> _their_ programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.
> 
> Perhaps they _are _control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the 
> way.
> Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although 
> there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.
> 
> Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, 
> but maybe they are blinkered as well.
> 
> Bah
> Pat (with his head in the sand!)
> 
> On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using 
>> my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online 
>> searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails 
>> are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of 
>> these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not 
>> seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>>
>> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website 
>> hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into 
>> the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like 
>> Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in 
>> today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, 
>> there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have 
>> a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) 
>> and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>>
>> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to 
>> trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that 
>> their handling of social platforms is perfectly 
>> safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
> 

-- 
Dave Plowman
London, SW


From philiptyler at me.com  Sun Dec 31 06:19:28 2023
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 12:19:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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From nickrodger at mac.com  Sun Dec 31 07:06:53 2023
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 13:06:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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1)  I totally agree with Graeme re. Apple devices and software. I use Apple because you buy a device, turn it on, and it works. 
Always. 
If you don?t like their software there are about a squillion alternatives out there that work on their operating systems. 
If I have one gripe with the world?s most profitable company it?s the way they try to encourage you to continually have to buy new cables, adapters, etc. 
But again, there?s gazillions of pattern parts available. 

2)  Having made the comments above, I?m not particularly tech savvy. 
What does an email forum give one that a WhatsApp group doesn?t? 
WhatsApp is supposed to be ?end to end encrypted? 
Is that a fallacy? 
I?m on a few WhatsApp groups, for organising stuff like Pickleball and golf, they all do the job and work fine. 

And while I?m on??. 

A Happy and (particularly) Peaceful New Year 
to everyone ?????? 

Nick. 

Nick Rodger 
Cameraman (Retired) 
07971 007578 
nickrodger at mac.com  

Sent from my iPhone. 
Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 

Don?t blame me!! 
I voted Remain ??












On 31 Dec 2023, at 12:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Apart from Jobs being dead, there is nothing surreptitios about his programmes and apps, they are what you get with Apple devices. If you don?t want to use them get a Windows machine, oh angonamo?  As for Musk, he seems to be doing his best to drive people away from his app.

> On 31 Dec 2023, at 11:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using their programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.
> Perhaps they are control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the way.
> Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.
> Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, but maybe they are blinkered as well.
> Bah
> Pat (with his head in the sand!)
> On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>> 
>> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>> 
>> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that their handling of social platforms is perfectly safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

? 
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From philiptyler at me.com  Sun Dec 31 07:16:08 2023
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 13:16:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <650D38A8-0E47-4A9C-BAE6-19B8FD751B23@mac.com>
References: <650D38A8-0E47-4A9C-BAE6-19B8FD751B23@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7F09BAA5-8E25-4621-BB96-3A2178FF244B@me.com>

A more ?independent? App than WhatsApp is ?Telegram? likewise end to end encrypted.

Or the one preferred by Boris and his cronies, ?Signal? that allowed complete deletion of messages.

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 31 Dec 2023, at 13:08, Nick Rodger via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?1)  I totally agree with Graeme re. Apple devices and software. I use Apple because you buy a device, turn it on, and it works. 
> Always. 
> If you don?t like their software there are about a squillion alternatives out there that work on their operating systems. 
> If I have one gripe with the world?s most profitable company it?s the way they try to encourage you to continually have to buy new cables, adapters, etc. 
> But again, there?s gazillions of pattern parts available. 
> 
> 2)  Having made the comments above, I?m not particularly tech savvy. 
> What does an email forum give one that a WhatsApp group doesn?t? 
> WhatsApp is supposed to be ?end to end encrypted? 
> Is that a fallacy? 
> I?m on a few WhatsApp groups, for organising stuff like Pickleball and golf, they all do the job and work fine. 
> 
> And while I?m on??. 
> 
> A Happy and (particularly) Peaceful New Year 
> to everyone ?????? 
> 
> Nick. 
> 
> Nick Rodger 
> Cameraman (Retired) 
> 07971 007578 
> nickrodger at mac.com  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 
> 
> Don?t blame me!! 
> I voted Remain ??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Dec 2023, at 12:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Apart from Jobs being dead, there is nothing surreptitios about his programmes and apps, they are what you get with Apple devices. If you don?t want to use them get a Windows machine, oh angonamo?  As for Musk, he seems to be doing his best to drive people away from his app.
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 11:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using their programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.
>> Perhaps they are control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the way.
>> Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.
>> Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, but maybe they are blinkered as well.
>> Bah
>> Pat (with his head in the sand!)
>>> On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>>> 
>>> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>>> 
>>> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that their handling of social platforms is perfectly safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>>> 
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Dec 31 07:42:37 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 13:42:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <650D38A8-0E47-4A9C-BAE6-19B8FD751B23@mac.com>
References: <650D38A8-0E47-4A9C-BAE6-19B8FD751B23@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7635E6DE-E6EB-422C-B84B-D221A2195768@me.com>

I?ve used Apple hardware for well over thirty years. I?ve tried and in many cases have adopted third party software, but if Apple offer something promising, I try it and make a judgement about switching. Bearing in mind that Apple designs the chips, hardware, operating system and applications, they have a huge advantage when it comes to optimising the individual elements to work well together.  Their software is usually very good, with a lot of features which might not be obvious at first glance, but might not suit some people?s way of working.

Apple have recently changed things like chargers and leads, but they are no longer proprietary devices like lightning leads were.  USB C leads and chargers are readily available from many suppliers. While I would have preferred to keep my lightning leads going for a few more years, the USB standard allows for hugely faster data transfer than would be possible with lightning, but those extreme speeds require specialist USB C leads which are currently incredibly expensive.  I have no need for that sort of speed, but it?s an important consideration for some users. USB C also allows the use of a wide range of peripherals, such as multiple external displays, interfaces and storage.  In addition, it allows devices to draw pretty big amounts of power ( >100W to rapidly charge a laptop ) Desktops, laptops, phones and tablets will all be using the same standard connector and are likely to continue using it for quite some time to come.

I?ve recently been doing things with Smart Control in my home.  Previously I was using HomeKit devices, which were good, but not necessarily cheap.  I?ve been making things using the universal Matter standard and even though HomeKit devices were easy to add to the system, these Matter devices have been ridiculously simple to add and very affordable too.  Just use the smartphone camera to look at the QR code on the device and it adds it automatically.  No messing about configuring WiFi settings or passwords, the smartphone deals with all those technicalities in the background. It only asks me to give the device a meaningful name and specify which room it is in. Matter is designed to work on all home automation platforms, therefore devices will be built in larger quantities and should be more affordable.

Alan


> On 31 Dec 2023, at 13:08, Nick Rodger via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?1)  I totally agree with Graeme re. Apple devices and software. I use Apple because you buy a device, turn it on, and it works.
> Always.
> If you don?t like their software there are about a squillion alternatives out there that work on their operating systems.
> If I have one gripe with the world?s most profitable company it?s the way they try to encourage you to continually have to buy new cables, adapters, etc.
> But again, there?s gazillions of pattern parts available.
> 
> 2)  Having made the comments above, I?m not particularly tech savvy.
> What does an email forum give one that a WhatsApp group doesn?t?
> WhatsApp is supposed to be ?end to end encrypted?
> Is that a fallacy?
> I?m on a few WhatsApp groups, for organising stuff like Pickleball and golf, they all do the job and work fine.
> 
> And while I?m on??.
> 
> A Happy and (particularly) Peaceful New Year
> to everyone ??????
> 
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Rodger
> Cameraman (Retired)
> 07971 007578
> nickrodger at mac.com  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone.
> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!!
> 
> Don?t blame me!!
> I voted Remain ??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Dec 2023, at 12:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Apart from Jobs being dead, there is nothing surreptitios about his programmes and apps, they are what you get with Apple devices. If you don?t want to use them get a Windows machine, oh angonamo?  As for Musk, he seems to be doing his best to drive people away from his app.
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 11:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using their programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.
>> Perhaps they are control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the way.
>> Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.
>> Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, but maybe they are blinkered as well.
>> Bah
>> Pat (with his head in the sand!)
>>> On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>>> 
>>> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>>> 
>>> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that their handling of social platforms is perfectly safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>>> 
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Dec 31 08:25:47 2023
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 14:25:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <650D38A8-0E47-4A9C-BAE6-19B8FD751B23@mac.com>
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	<650D38A8-0E47-4A9C-BAE6-19B8FD751B23@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4a01501d-853a-48f7-9209-0f589a82e920@chriswoolf.co.uk>

There is only a limited truth about the infallibility of Apple products. 
They mostly do "just work", but only by limiting the software used. As 
soon as you reach out further Apple stuff crashes as easily as any other 
device. No surprise there - they use the same parts in the same way - 
there's no magic, even though Apple likes to make you believe that.

And yes, they are the world's worst company for pushing obsolescence - 
their reputation has been sullied many times in that direction. For some 
purposes I have old Windows machines running that are 10-15 years old - 
if they were Apples, the OS would have cut me out a long time ago.

email groups are old-fashioned but easy to use since the content is 
pushed towards you - you don't have to fetch it from a web page.

WhatsApp is an instant messaging service that runs over wi-fi links 
(unlike SMS messaging) and so costs nothing to use. The encryption isn't 
important to most people, but does indicate that even Meta can't see/use 
your content, though it does know who ~you~ are.

Facebook etc are web pages that you need to visit to get content.

They all have their uses, and paranoia needs to be kept in check, but it 
is always worth thinking about what the exchange is when you use these 
systems. With smart speakers and the like you get a very convenient 
supply of information and services.... but the services get to know an 
awful lot about ~you~. Do you mind? Many don't care, but not everyone is 
happy to share their world without any checks whatsoever.

Chris Woolf


On 31/12/2023 13:06, Nick Rodger via Tech1 wrote:
> 1)  I totally agree with Graeme re. Apple devices and software. I use Apple because you buy a device, turn it on, and it works.
> Always.
> If you don?t like their software there are about a squillion alternatives out there that work on their operating systems.
> If I have one gripe with the world?s most profitable company it?s the way they try to encourage you to continually have to buy new cables, adapters, etc.
> But again, there?s gazillions of pattern parts available.
>
> 2)  Having made the comments above, I?m not particularly tech savvy.
> What does an email forum give one that a WhatsApp group doesn?t?
> WhatsApp is supposed to be ?end to end encrypted?
> Is that a fallacy?
> I?m on a few WhatsApp groups, for organising stuff like Pickleball and golf, they all do the job and work fine.
>
> And while I?m on??.
>
> A Happy and (particularly) Peaceful New Year
> to everyone ??????
>
> Nick.
>
> Nick Rodger
> Cameraman (Retired)
> 07971 007578
> nickrodger at mac.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!!
>
> Don?t blame me!!
> I voted Remain ??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 31 Dec 2023, at 12:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?Apart from Jobs being dead, there is nothing surreptitios about his programmes and apps, they are what you get with Apple devices. If you don?t want to use them get a Windows machine, oh angonamo?  As for Musk, he seems to be doing his best to drive people away from his app.
>
>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 11:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using their programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.
>> Perhaps they are control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the way.
>> Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.
>> Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, but maybe they are blinkered as well.
>> Bah
>> Pat (with his head in the sand!)
>> On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>>>
>>> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>>>
>>> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that their handling of social platforms is perfectly safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>>>
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
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>
>
>


From philiptyler at me.com  Sun Dec 31 08:53:30 2023
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 14:53:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <4a01501d-853a-48f7-9209-0f589a82e920@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <4a01501d-853a-48f7-9209-0f589a82e920@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3DA379DF-517C-46EE-BD27-81043900FBB5@me.com>

Having been a life long user of Apple products, all I can say, in my own experience of using Apple products it has been a very good one.

I also came into contact with many Apple users in the music industry, and they have been more than happy with their reliability.

It is true the ability of getting ?under the hood? of the Apple system is very limited. But then that?s why it is so stable a platform. Today you are limited to what you can install on your iPhone through the App Store. This is to avoid apps that don?t conform to the rules.

The majority of ?problems? on their desktop computers were down to third party software which undermined the system.

Similarly for the iPhone and iPad,  it was third party software causing problems. Hence now limiting access to apps via their App Store.

I started using a Mac Plus many, many years ago. It was at the BBC writing a guide to operating the Adams Smith Synchroniser in TMS. Along with general information on operations in TMS. Approaching some 49 years of Apple use.

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 31 Dec 2023, at 14:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?There is only a limited truth about the infallibility of Apple products. They mostly do "just work", but only by limiting the software used. As soon as you reach out further Apple stuff crashes as easily as any other device. No surprise there - they use the same parts in the same way - there's no magic, even though Apple likes to make you believe that.
> 
> And yes, they are the world's worst company for pushing obsolescence - their reputation has been sullied many times in that direction. For some purposes I have old Windows machines running that are 10-15 years old - if they were Apples, the OS would have cut me out a long time ago.
> 
> email groups are old-fashioned but easy to use since the content is pushed towards you - you don't have to fetch it from a web page.
> 
> WhatsApp is an instant messaging service that runs over wi-fi links (unlike SMS messaging) and so costs nothing to use. The encryption isn't important to most people, but does indicate that even Meta can't see/use your content, though it does know who ~you~ are.
> 
> Facebook etc are web pages that you need to visit to get content.
> 
> They all have their uses, and paranoia needs to be kept in check, but it is always worth thinking about what the exchange is when you use these systems. With smart speakers and the like you get a very convenient supply of information and services.... but the services get to know an awful lot about ~you~. Do you mind? Many don't care, but not everyone is happy to share their world without any checks whatsoever.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
>> On 31/12/2023 13:06, Nick Rodger via Tech1 wrote:
>> 1)  I totally agree with Graeme re. Apple devices and software. I use Apple because you buy a device, turn it on, and it works.
>> Always.
>> If you don?t like their software there are about a squillion alternatives out there that work on their operating systems.
>> If I have one gripe with the world?s most profitable company it?s the way they try to encourage you to continually have to buy new cables, adapters, etc.
>> But again, there?s gazillions of pattern parts available.
>> 
>> 2)  Having made the comments above, I?m not particularly tech savvy.
>> What does an email forum give one that a WhatsApp group doesn?t?
>> WhatsApp is supposed to be ?end to end encrypted?
>> Is that a fallacy?
>> I?m on a few WhatsApp groups, for organising stuff like Pickleball and golf, they all do the job and work fine.
>> 
>> And while I?m on??.
>> 
>> A Happy and (particularly) Peaceful New Year
>> to everyone ??????
>> 
>> Nick.
>> 
>> Nick Rodger
>> Cameraman (Retired)
>> 07971 007578
>> nickrodger at mac.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone.
>> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!!
>> 
>> Don?t blame me!!
>> I voted Remain ??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 12:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Apart from Jobs being dead, there is nothing surreptitios about his programmes and apps, they are what you get with Apple devices. If you don?t want to use them get a Windows machine, oh angonamo?  As for Musk, he seems to be doing his best to drive people away from his app.
>> 
>>>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 11:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using their programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.
>>> Perhaps they are control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the way.
>>> Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.
>>> Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, but maybe they are blinkered as well.
>>> Bah
>>> Pat (with his head in the sand!)
>>> On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>>>> 
>>>> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that their handling of social platforms is perfectly safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>>>> 
>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Sun Dec 31 09:06:13 2023
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:06:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
In-Reply-To: <3DA379DF-517C-46EE-BD27-81043900FBB5@me.com>
References: <3DA379DF-517C-46EE-BD27-81043900FBB5@me.com>
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My iPads are the best things I ever bought. Being retired, it sits next to me and is my window on the world , access to banking and a contact centre. It integrates with my iPhone which I rarely use but they are both so simple to operate and understand. My fingers don?t work well with mobile phones so the iPad ( 10 inch ) is just perfect.
Sent from my iPad

> On 31 Dec 2023, at 14:54, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Having been a life long user of Apple products, all I can say, in my own experience of using Apple products it has been a very good one.
> 
> I also came into contact with many Apple users in the music industry, and they have been more than happy with their reliability.
> 
> It is true the ability of getting ?under the hood? of the Apple system is very limited. But then that?s why it is so stable a platform. Today you are limited to what you can install on your iPhone through the App Store. This is to avoid apps that don?t conform to the rules.
> 
> The majority of ?problems? on their desktop computers were down to third party software which undermined the system.
> 
> Similarly for the iPhone and iPad,  it was third party software causing problems. Hence now limiting access to apps via their App Store.
> 
> I started using a Mac Plus many, many years ago. It was at the BBC writing a guide to operating the Adams Smith Synchroniser in TMS. Along with general information on operations in TMS. Approaching some 49 years of Apple use.
> 
> Philip and Bee
> 
> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
> 
>>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 14:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?There is only a limited truth about the infallibility of Apple products. They mostly do "just work", but only by limiting the software used. As soon as you reach out further Apple stuff crashes as easily as any other device. No surprise there - they use the same parts in the same way - there's no magic, even though Apple likes to make you believe that.
>> 
>> And yes, they are the world's worst company for pushing obsolescence - their reputation has been sullied many times in that direction. For some purposes I have old Windows machines running that are 10-15 years old - if they were Apples, the OS would have cut me out a long time ago.
>> 
>> email groups are old-fashioned but easy to use since the content is pushed towards you - you don't have to fetch it from a web page.
>> 
>> WhatsApp is an instant messaging service that runs over wi-fi links (unlike SMS messaging) and so costs nothing to use. The encryption isn't important to most people, but does indicate that even Meta can't see/use your content, though it does know who ~you~ are.
>> 
>> Facebook etc are web pages that you need to visit to get content.
>> 
>> They all have their uses, and paranoia needs to be kept in check, but it is always worth thinking about what the exchange is when you use these systems. With smart speakers and the like you get a very convenient supply of information and services.... but the services get to know an awful lot about ~you~. Do you mind? Many don't care, but not everyone is happy to share their world without any checks whatsoever.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31/12/2023 13:06, Nick Rodger via Tech1 wrote:
>>> 1)  I totally agree with Graeme re. Apple devices and software. I use Apple because you buy a device, turn it on, and it works.
>>> Always.
>>> If you don?t like their software there are about a squillion alternatives out there that work on their operating systems.
>>> If I have one gripe with the world?s most profitable company it?s the way they try to encourage you to continually have to buy new cables, adapters, etc.
>>> But again, there?s gazillions of pattern parts available.
>>> 
>>> 2)  Having made the comments above, I?m not particularly tech savvy.
>>> What does an email forum give one that a WhatsApp group doesn?t?
>>> WhatsApp is supposed to be ?end to end encrypted?
>>> Is that a fallacy?
>>> I?m on a few WhatsApp groups, for organising stuff like Pickleball and golf, they all do the job and work fine.
>>> 
>>> And while I?m on??.
>>> 
>>> A Happy and (particularly) Peaceful New Year
>>> to everyone ??????
>>> 
>>> Nick.
>>> 
>>> Nick Rodger
>>> Cameraman (Retired)
>>> 07971 007578
>>> nickrodger at mac.com
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone.
>>> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!!
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me!!
>>> I voted Remain ??
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 12:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Apart from Jobs being dead, there is nothing surreptitios about his programmes and apps, they are what you get with Apple devices. If you don?t want to use them get a Windows machine, oh angonamo?  As for Musk, he seems to be doing his best to drive people away from his app.
>>> 
>>>>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 11:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What annoys me is that guys like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, while no doubt being clever blokes are surreptitiously driving people into using their programmes and apps, which is a form of mass control.
>>>> Perhaps they are control freaks, making buckets full of dosh along the way.
>>>> Cynical - moi? Certainly. I don't like to be told what to do, although there seem to be lots of people that fall for it.
>>>> Most world 'leaders' no doubt would welcome these guys on their payroll, but maybe they are blinkered as well.
>>>> Bah
>>>> Pat (with his head in the sand!)
>>>> On 30/12/2023 21:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> I too have a phobia about privacy on the internet, together with using my mobile phone. To that extent I use Duck duck go for online searching via the Brave browser. You may also notice that my emails are hosted via Proton mail. Bundled together, the basic components of these free applications appear to suit my purposes, and they do not seem to suffer any spam or unwelcome ads etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whether any aspect of this could be useful when it comes to website hosting is beyond my tech abilities these days, but I throw them into the melting pot for those of you who hate social media, of which, like Pat, I do not join. But I do realise that they are so rooted in today's online activity that in order to interface with so may others, there are times when you find yourself forced into their use. We have a cheap laptop for this, with false names (nicknames that others know) and we only use on wi-fi off the premises.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Call me paranoid, but having worked in broadcasting, I hesitate to trust any of the self-appointed experts and pundits who claim that their handling of social platforms is perfectly safe/legitimate/legal/trustworthy, etc. etc. Stay safe out there,
>>>>> 
>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>> --
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Dec 31 09:08:54 2023
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:08:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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My desktop computer is a 2009 model iMac, just coming up to 15 yrs old.  I currently have no newer desktop or laptop and use it most days. I?ve been intending to replace it for a year or two, but other demands on my money take precedence and the upgrade gets postponed a little longer because the need isn?t particularly pressing. Like most recent years, I have again promised myself that I?ll replace it soon.

I have Apple laptops going back to the 1996 PowerBook 1400, which still works ( on mains - the battery only lasts for 10 minutes now ) and runs the software intended for it. It was one of the first laptops to ship with a CD reader as standard, a floppy disk too.  I only keep it as I occasionally need to open old files for stuff I designed using what was at the time leading proprietary software which created files no longer supported by modern software.  Whenever I open one of those files, I export it and  archive it as a PDF for future reference. 

There?s a couple of other ancient laptops too. Again still in good working order.  The reason for keeping them is that one of them has some detailed research notes which I want to preserve, but they were saved in a user account where I have now forgotten the password. At some point I hope to stumble across that password and finally export the files. Once in a while I try entering some likely passwords, but after a few wrong attempts, it locks me out again. These days I am much more careful about keeping notes of passwords.

My Apple hardware has served me very reliably.  The only device I?ve had which actually failed was a WiFi router ( Airport ).  Ironically it was a device which enjoyed a reputation as one of the most rock-solid Apple devices ever. The staff at Apple Stores rarely had one brought back and even when they were brought back, it was usually down to operator error. I was given a replacement unit FoC, even though it was long out of warranty.  It ceased to be useful once internet service providers supplied decent WiFi routers as standard.

Alan





> On 31 Dec 2023, at 14:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> For some purposes I have old Windows machines running that are 10-15 years old - if they were Apples, the OS would have cut me out a long time ago.


From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Dec 31 16:58:47 2023
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 22:58:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops website?
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I am likewise dyed in the wool Apple/Mac. I first used an Apple to draw up the sound and comms schematics for the 1986 Mexico World Cup studio, because we weren?t having the services of the SCPD engineer who usually created all the drawings and carried out the installation on site - he had already been nabbed for the Commonwealth Games in Bonny Scotland and was replaced by an American contractor who needed chapter and verse. And I also still have a working iMac which is at least fifteen years old, although I mostly use my laptop nowadays in the comfort of the sitting room, only purchased because I wanted more capacity and improved speed over its predecessor, which, like Alan, I am keeping for material which is on there which I?m sure I will want one day but haven?t bothered to transfer. 

During the time that I?ve kept my Macs running on and on, friends and relatives have gone through several generations of PCs, almost certainly spending more money and enduring more frustration than I have encountered. But each to his/her own, I suppose. 

Mike G

> On 31 Dec 2023, at 18:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?My desktop computer is a 2009 model iMac, just coming up to 15 yrs old.  I currently have no newer desktop or laptop and use it most days. I?ve been intending to replace it for a year or two, but other demands on my money take precedence and the upgrade gets postponed a little longer because the need isn?t particularly pressing. Like most recent years, I have again promised myself that I?ll replace it soon.
> 
> I have Apple laptops going back to the 1996 PowerBook 1400, which still works ( on mains - the battery only lasts for 10 minutes now ) and runs the software intended for it. It was one of the first laptops to ship with a CD reader as standard, a floppy disk too.  I only keep it as I occasionally need to open old files for stuff I designed using what was at the time leading proprietary software which created files no longer supported by modern software.  Whenever I open one of those files, I export it and  archive it as a PDF for future reference.
> 
> There?s a couple of other ancient laptops too. Again still in good working order.  The reason for keeping them is that one of them has some detailed research notes which I want to preserve, but they were saved in a user account where I have now forgotten the password. At some point I hope to stumble across that password and finally export the files. Once in a while I try entering some likely passwords, but after a few wrong attempts, it locks me out again. These days I am much more careful about keeping notes of passwords.
> 
> My Apple hardware has served me very reliably.  The only device I?ve had which actually failed was a WiFi router ( Airport ).  Ironically it was a device which enjoyed a reputation as one of the most rock-solid Apple devices ever. The staff at Apple Stores rarely had one brought back and even when they were brought back, it was usually down to operator error. I was given a replacement unit FoC, even though it was long out of warranty.  It ceased to be useful once internet service providers supplied decent WiFi routers as standard.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2023, at 14:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> For some purposes I have old Windows machines running that are 10-15 years old - if they were Apples, the OS would have cut me out a long time ago.
> 
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