From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Tue Nov  1 09:42:46 2022
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 14:42:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Another OB Vehicle
In-Reply-To: <D223FCB6-5CD0-498B-85B3-B431F489F121@colinhassell.com>
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Hello Alan, Colin et al,

Thank you for responding to my query, I don't need more information, if 
it wasn't wearing its 'Muffler' I probably would have seen the Daimler 
'flutes' at the top of the radiator.

Thanks for your trouble,

John.



On 31/10/2022 00:14, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Here you?ll find the Saturday Night Out opening sequence, about 11 
> mins in.
>
> It?s from the Alexandra Television Society?s You Tube channel.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNBSUDgPeps
>
>
>
> Colin Hassell
> colin at colinhassell.com
> St Albans
> Herts
> UK
>
>
>> On 30 Oct 2022, at 23:43, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> It was the first Roving Eye. Built in 1953 on a Daimler chassis. 
>> ?Other picture show the radiator in the nude and the characteristic 
>> Daimler radiator is more obvious. The camera was the Marconi 1B.
>>
>> It was the first time that the BBC decided to built an OB vehicle 
>> which could transmit live pictures while moving. ?There was an 
>> onboard generator and a radio link with a range of up to a couple of 
>> miles. ?The aerial was directional, but used gyro control to keep it 
>> automatically pointing in the correct direction irrespective of how 
>> the vehicle moved.
>>
>> I?m pretty sure it was the vehicle featured in the opening title 
>> sequence for Saturday Night Out, driving out of the Wembley OB base, 
>> but I can?t find a video of it to check for sure. ?The vehicle was 
>> extensively used on that series.
>>
>> I?m not sure how much detail you are after, but you should be able to 
>> find quite a bit about it online. ?I could probably point you in the 
>> right direction if you don?t find what you?re looking for.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 30 Oct 2022, at 23:12, John Howell via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Attention OB Vehicle buffs!
>>>
>>> Here's another vehicle to identify, this time I don't know the 
>>> answer! what was 'H729'?
>>>
>>> ?I think it's a Morris Commercial,? 11/2 Ton and judging by the 
>>> radiator blinds it's fitted out for duty in cold Winters. It has a 
>>> London registration, I think it is from about 1951, there appear to 
>>> be flashing direction indicators in the wings as opposed to 
>>> semaphore, I seem to remember my Dad fitting them to our 1939 
>>> Standard 'Flying 12' at about this time.
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone can identify the camera, Any clues?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hibou.
>>>
>>> OB Vehicle.png--
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 13:01:36 2022
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 18:01:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Friday Night Live (was)
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Interesting about RAF Locking as I also went there for training when I did my National Service. Ended up by maintaining transmitters at a very small station in a village called Weyhill which was about 2 miles from an RAF station at Andover. This was a helicopter training site.

The Weyhill site was very small and not all people posted there lived on the site so had to sleep at RAF Andover and be there on their off duty days. I was one of those who were at Andover. We had night shifts and so when finished and returned to Andover we slept during the day. A very interesting situation all together bas we had nothing to do with Andover other than having a billet there and using their Mess Hall when we were on site.

Another story about Weyhill. While there I met someone call Ted Bragg a name which some of you may recognise. Both he and I were keen to built tape recorders and we had permission from our OC, who was a Warrant Officer Pillar, to use the stations workshop to do this. It was a small room down a corridor which went past the WO?s office. During our building and testing we played a record on a disk player. This was a record of Frankie Lane singing one of his top hits. This was done so often that the WO told us never to use it again or we would lose the the use of the workshop for our personal use. Lesson learned! Anyway when our tape recorders were up and running Ted suggested that we sent tapes to his friend in Torquay who was doing an apprenticeship and therefore had not yet ben called up for National Service. This friend was called Derek Slee.

I?m sure that the two names must be recognised by many of you and jumping ahead I can tell you a story. In 1953/54 I was working as a photographic printer in the publicity apartment of Ilford Ltd the photographic company. While there I still kept in touch with Ted and Derek. In 1955 as every one knows commercial TV companies started up and I saw an advertisement from the BBC for people to work in TV. AS we know all the TV staff were going to the commercial companies as the pay was better than the BBC.

I duly applied got called up for an interview at BH and in a week got a job offer which I obviously accepted and was told to report to Lime Grove. Gave notice to Ilford and arrived at LG a week later.

When I accepted the job I got in touch with both Ted Bragg and Derek Slee to discover that they had both applied to the BBC and got jobs. Ted Bragg died a few years ago but I am still in close touch with Derek Slee. 

I was on Crew & - THE Crew 7 - And it was great and a very friendly crew as I suspect they all were and if my memory is correct there were only 9 crews at that time. However on 7 there were people such as Ron Green, Mike Bond, Len Shorey and other well known people who are no longer with us. I must mention Paul Kay - Hello Paul - who with me must be the only people left from the 1955 Crew 7.

Tony B

> On 23 Oct 2022, at 18:19, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Mention of the Anson aircraft brings backs massive memories for me! At Wells Cathedral School, circa 1956, we had a choice between Football, Scouts, ACF, or ATC. I had little interest in football, or Scouts - camping out rough all night - so chose the ACF. Rifles and military stuff sounded fun, but I very soon got fed up with lugging Bren guns around on excercises up on the Mendips. Pull-throughs to me were a bore! 
> So, I switched at the first opportunity to the ATC. And that brought incredible adventures, first at RAF Locking, which although not an active airfield at the time, was where I got to learn about radio communications, and in the training workshops, actually got to make a pair of pliers! Not particularly well, but I was very proud of them.
> But best of all, we got to fly. Towards the end of each month we would often get a call from Yeovilton, where they had fuel that they needed to use up so that their next month?s quota didn?t get cut back. So, the typical treat for us boys was a flight in an Anson! And I do vividly remember being made to wind those undercarriage cranks up and down. We would usually depart from Yeovilton, pass over Bath, then do a low pass over Bristol and up the Avon. As we approached the Clifton Suspension Bridge we would shout ?Go under it, go under it!?. Our pilot would shout back ?You have no idea what a temptation that is!?, and would do a nose-down as if to do so. How they got away with that I?ll never know. Then another low pass, this time a touch-and-go over RAF Locking, and back to Yeovilton. Not a bad day?s outing for a fourteen year-old schoolboy. Those Ansons - sheer Heaven!
> But after Wells I went on to Guildford Art School to do Photography, and discovered ?.Girls!!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2022, at 17:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> [snip]
>> ?During WW2, the Alliance factory was used to build wings for Mosquitos and fuselages for Avro Ansons.
>> Ansons were the first RAF aircraft to have retractable undercarriage. None of your poncey electric motors to do it though.  The undercarriage was retracted by the pilot operating a crank handle which needed 144 turns.  Unsurprisingly, short flight were often made without bothering to retract the undercarriage.
>> 
>> Alan
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 06:22:26 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 11:22:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] a bit too disorrganised
Message-ID: <3cff5feb-7b7a-59d9-879d-475b59746d41@gmail.com>

This is rather delayed owing to having been struck down again by the 
dreaded lurg.

I think my original disorganised email for Oct 21st failed to send 
properly, though it was all right leaving me guv.? As ever, it's very 
difficult to tell what happened to a tech1 email because you don't get a 
copy to yourself.? Mr Bonner says that I should copy the email to 
myself, but that only means that it went through the Gmail system, not 
the Tech1 system. There is a? way of doing it, and that's to have two 
emails on the tech1 list, and the email will go - with any luck - to the 
other one.? I'm trying that now.

Anyway, find our small but happy group here - 
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/11/lunch-21st-oct-2022/? Hopefully next 
time I'll feel better and it will all work properly.

cheers

B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 07:14:22 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 12:14:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] So, testing my theory on two addresses
Message-ID: <e0a44941-1b83-016d-0c30-fd55f7b7cbb3@gmail.com>

I haven't seen this before -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3PdcXNKLTQ

B
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Nov  3 07:53:59 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 12:53:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] So, testing my theory on two addresses
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I haven?t seen it before either.  It?s always fascinating to see younger versions of so many familiar faces.

Around the 14:00 mark is a close up of an early action replay machine which employed a mechanism comparable to that of a modern hard disk.  I can only once recall one of them being brought out to an OB ( Wimbledon ). They seemed better suited to being kept indoors.

There?s all sorts of technology which has since been superseded, but one not so obvious technology which has advanced in leaps and bounds is the technology of the playing surface.  The shots of the pitch showed it to be pretty threadbare in many places and that was pretty normal for top level clubs in those days.  The way that pitches are maintained these days is such the at the end of the playing season, a modern pitch looks as good as a 1970s pitch looked before the first match of the season.

It?s great how these behind the scenes shows keep turning up on YouTube. I hope there are more to be found.  Obviously the subjects they were filming are of interest, but there are any number of other things in the background of some shots which are equally interesting.

Alan


> On 3 Nov 2022, at 12:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I haven't seen this before -
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3PdcXNKLTQ
> 
> B
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Nov  3 08:01:50 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 13:01:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] So, testing my theory on two addresses
In-Reply-To: <521E9BFA-0290-46D8-8CCE-1D2135E26659@me.com>
References: <521E9BFA-0290-46D8-8CCE-1D2135E26659@me.com>
Message-ID: <1F71F8D7-FF20-4423-9FBC-70CBD26AA2B8@me.com>

Correction, the timing for the shots of the slow mo machine was around the 5 minute mark.

Alan


> On 3 Nov 2022, at 12:54, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I haven?t seen it before either.  It?s always fascinating to see younger versions of so many familiar faces.
> 
> Around the 14:00 mark is a close up of an early action replay machine which employed a mechanism comparable to that of a modern hard disk.  I can only once recall one of them being brought out to an OB ( Wimbledon ). They seemed better suited to being kept indoors.
> 
> There?s all sorts of technology which has since been superseded, but one not so obvious technology which has advanced in leaps and bounds is the technology of the playing surface.  The shots of the pitch showed it to be pretty threadbare in many places and that was pretty normal for top level clubs in those days.  The way that pitches are maintained these days is such the at the end of the playing season, a modern pitch looks as good as a 1970s pitch looked before the first match of the season.
> 
> It?s great how these behind the scenes shows keep turning up on YouTube. I hope there are more to be found.  Obviously the subjects they were filming are of interest, but there are any number of other things in the background of some shots which are equally interesting.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>>> On 3 Nov 2022, at 12:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? I haven't seen this before -
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3PdcXNKLTQ
>> 
>> B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 10:26:54 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 15:26:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] So, testing my theory on two addresses
In-Reply-To: <1F71F8D7-FF20-4423-9FBC-70CBD26AA2B8@me.com>
References: <521E9BFA-0290-46D8-8CCE-1D2135E26659@me.com>
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The only downside on the "two addresses" thing is that you get multiple 
versions of each reply that someone sends.

The video disc lived in a room at the end the first corridor in VT Area 
1.? So the sports machines tended to be -


You can see 9 and 10 in the video (and of course here - 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88hsBHuw5yc).

The disc really didn't like being moved or have any kind of disturbance? 
- I assume some maniac sports producer decided it should be sent to an 
OB, with the VT guys saying "You really don't want the do that" but 
being ignored .

I spent? very large chunks of my life working there on non sports days, 
surrounded by that constant head whine.

These days of course, you can do it all for free - 
http://openslomo.ru/en/home

B


On 03/11/2022 13:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Correction, the timing for the shots of the slow mo machine was around 
> the 5 minute mark.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 3 Nov 2022, at 12:54, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I haven?t seen it before either. ?It?s always fascinating to see 
>> younger versions of so many familiar faces.
>>
>> Around the 14:00 mark is a close up of an early action replay machine 
>> which employed a mechanism comparable to that of a modern hard disk. 
>> ?I can only once recall one of them being brought out to an OB ( 
>> Wimbledon ). They seemed better suited to being kept indoors.
>>
>> There?s all sorts of technology which has since been superseded, but 
>> one not so obvious technology which has advanced in leaps and bounds 
>> is the technology of the playing surface. ?The shots of the pitch 
>> showed it to be pretty threadbare in many places and that was pretty 
>> normal for top level clubs in those days. ?The way that pitches are 
>> maintained these days is such the at the end of the playing season, a 
>> modern pitch looks as good as a 1970s pitch looked before the first 
>> match of the season.
>>
>> It?s great how these behind the scenes shows keep turning up on 
>> YouTube. I hope there are more to be found. ?Obviously the subjects 
>> they were filming are of interest, but there are any number of other 
>> things in the background of some shots which are equally interesting.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>> On 3 Nov 2022, at 12:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? I haven't seen this before -
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3PdcXNKLTQ
>>>
>>> B
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Nov  3 12:47:32 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 17:47:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] a bit too disorrganised
In-Reply-To: <3cff5feb-7b7a-59d9-879d-475b59746d41@gmail.com>
References: <3cff5feb-7b7a-59d9-879d-475b59746d41@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D32A684-97C5-4376-91AA-38086A93C1F5@mac.com>

I normally get my own e-mails back via Tech1.

Mike G


> On 3 Nov 2022, at 11:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This is rather delayed owing to having been struck down again by the dreaded lurg.
> 
> I think my original disorganised email for Oct 21st failed to send properly, though it was all right leaving me guv.  As ever, it's very difficult to tell what happened to a tech1 email because you don't get a copy to yourself.  Mr Bonner says that I should copy the email to myself, but that only means that it went through the Gmail system, not the Tech1 system. There is a  way of doing it, and that's to have two emails on the tech1 list, and the email will go - with any luck - to the other one.  I'm trying that now.
> 
> Anyway, find our small but happy group here - http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/11/lunch-21st-oct-2022/ <http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/11/lunch-21st-oct-2022/>  Hopefully next time I'll feel better and it will all work properly.
> 
> cheers
> 
> B
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 13:04:39 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 18:04:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] So, testing my theory on two addresses
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On 03/11/2022 15:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> The only downside on the "two addresses" thing is that you get 
> multiple versions of each reply that someone sends.


Quite. Hope I'm unusual in that I've had to change email addresses twice 
with this group, due to messages not appearing. This one I set up just 
for this group. Although just why a gmail address is better than a bt 
one or indeed my own domain, I've no idea.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Nov  4 10:56:51 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 15:56:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
Message-ID: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>

Here's a question....

Today I received an amount of new bar-coded postage stamps under Royal 
Mail's Swap-Out scheme.
This is because existing stamps which may have been stockpiled before 
the rates went up every March,
will not be at the correct value after January 2023 and if used, 
recipients will be charged an insufficient
postage fee.

But, what if the postage rates are increased when one has a stock of the 
bar-coded stamps, which
may well have a date encoded. Would there be a similar problem of 
insufficient postage?

Royal Mail is keeping quiet about this as no information can be found!

Pat H

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Nov  4 11:08:18 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 16:08:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
In-Reply-To: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
References: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
Message-ID: <A77665A0-1A16-46E4-B94B-C503923DF358@me.com>

Rule of thumb.  When a company doesn?t explain such things, it?s because they know that if they did explain, you would be mightily miffed with their explanation.

Alan


> On 4 Nov 2022, at 15:57, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Here's a question....
> 
> Today I received an amount of new bar-coded postage stamps under Royal Mail's Swap-Out scheme.
> This is because existing stamps which may have been stockpiled before the rates went up every March,
> will not be at the correct value after January 2023 and if used, recipients will be charged an insufficient
> postage fee.
> 
> But, what if the postage rates are increased when one has a stock of the bar-coded stamps, which
> may well have a date encoded. Would there be a similar problem of insufficient postage?
> 
> Royal Mail is keeping quiet about this as no information can be found!
> 
> Pat H
> 
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Nov  4 11:19:50 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 16:19:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
In-Reply-To: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
References: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
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Well I /think/ you will be able to hoard them in the same way, because 
there doesn't appear to be a "use by" date in the coding.

What seems to be the purpose is to prevent re-use of seemingly unfranked 
stamps - the code is individual and therefore can be spotted if it comes 
up a second time. This way the franking can happen electronically 
without any need to physically mark the stamp.

Royal Mail /might/ put out an edict that (say) purple 1st class stamps 
would no longer be valid after a certain date, but they would have to 
give very long warnings of that, and put another expensive swap scheme 
into place, as they have just done.

Chris Woolf



On 04/11/2022 15:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Here's a question....
>
> Today I received an amount of new bar-coded postage stamps under Royal 
> Mail's Swap-Out scheme.
> This is because existing stamps which may have been stockpiled before 
> the rates went up every March,
> will not be at the correct value after January 2023 and if used, 
> recipients will be charged an insufficient
> postage fee.
>
> But, what if the postage rates are increased when one has a stock of 
> the bar-coded stamps, which
> may well have a date encoded. Would there be a similar problem of 
> insufficient postage?
>
> Royal Mail is keeping quiet about this as no information can be found!
>
> Pat H
>
>
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Nov  4 11:50:31 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 16:50:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
In-Reply-To: <a3b2c122-3558-bb8a-673e-18e78ec31119@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
	<a3b2c122-3558-bb8a-673e-18e78ec31119@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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My local postmaster told me that they were brought in because the old 
stamps were being photocopied and printed and sold! Has anyone decoded 
the mini QR code and what does it say? Cheers, Dave. PS. If it is date 
coded does that mean I can't re-use unfranked ones again? (as if I would!)


From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 14:29:04 2022
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 19:29:04 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
In-Reply-To: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
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For the past few years the straightforward stamps with the Monarch?s portrait have been classed simply as 1st or 2nd class, and despite monetary cost have continued to be valid to post letters of each class

Special edition stamps depicting paintings or other illustrations are retaining the displayed value and do not need to be exchanged.

Royal Mail have some simple advice, to use your old stamps posting your Christmas cards

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Pat Heigham via Tech1
Sent: 04 November 2022 15:57
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps

 

Here's a question....

Today I received an amount of new bar-coded postage stamps under Royal Mail's Swap-Out scheme.
This is because existing stamps which may have been stockpiled before the rates went up every March,
will not be at the correct value after January 2023 and if used, recipients will be charged an insufficient
postage fee.

But, what if the postage rates are increased when one has a stock of the bar-coded stamps, which
may well have a date encoded. Would there be a similar problem of insufficient postage?

Royal Mail is keeping quiet about this as no information can be found!

Pat H

 

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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Fri Nov  4 16:39:36 2022
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 21:39:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
In-Reply-To: <A77665A0-1A16-46E4-B94B-C503923DF358@me.com>
References: <A77665A0-1A16-46E4-B94B-C503923DF358@me.com>
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The stamps are bigger , plus the extra bar code paper, so much for saving the environment. 
To me with all the strikes and price rises we might as well scrap all the railway lines and build motorways , shut down the post offices and mail delivery ,and close all the power stations. Maybe this is Labours or the lib non dems plan for the future?.revert to the Stone Age . I may glue myself to myself as a protest ?.which I usually do when handling super glue.

Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Nov 2022, at 18:40, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Rule of thumb.  When a company doesn?t explain such things, it?s because they know that if they did explain, you would be mightily miffed with their explanation.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>>> On 4 Nov 2022, at 15:57, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Here's a question....
>> 
>> Today I received an amount of new bar-coded postage stamps under Royal Mail's Swap-Out scheme.
>> This is because existing stamps which may have been stockpiled before the rates went up every March,
>> will not be at the correct value after January 2023 and if used, recipients will be charged an insufficient
>> postage fee.
>> 
>> But, what if the postage rates are increased when one has a stock of the bar-coded stamps, which
>> may well have a date encoded. Would there be a similar problem of insufficient postage?
>> 
>> Royal Mail is keeping quiet about this as no information can be found!
>> 
>> Pat H
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Nov  5 03:35:03 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 08:35:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
In-Reply-To: <a3b2c122-3558-bb8a-673e-18e78ec31119@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
	<a3b2c122-3558-bb8a-673e-18e78ec31119@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Thank you Chris for your take on this.
You actually pre-empted my next question : what info is carried by the 
bar code?

Even with the naked eye, it is possible to detect differences in the 
patterns.
What a complicated printing exercise, to make every stamp individually
different with all the millions in circulation!

It's taken Royal Mail a considerable time to wake up to the fact that
stamps would be stockpiled before the annual price increases, thus
losing revenue. This trick was even pointed out by Martin Lewis in
his moneysaving advice programmes.

There were several comments by people, complaining that it was difficult
to 'swap-out' if one didn't have internet access, and it was taking too 
long.
I had no trouble - there was a leaflet delivered with a tear off section
to fill in and mail with your old stamps to a freepost address.
The correct number of 1st & 2nd class new stamps arrived within a couple 
of weeks.

Pat H

On 04/11/2022 16:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Well I /think/ you will be able to hoard them in the same way, because 
> there doesn't appear to be a "use by" date in the coding.
>
> What seems to be the purpose is to prevent re-use of seemingly 
> unfranked stamps - the code is individual and therefore can be spotted 
> if it comes up a second time. This way the franking can happen 
> electronically without any need to physically mark the stamp.
>
> Royal Mail /might/ put out an edict that (say) purple 1st class stamps 
> would no longer be valid after a certain date, but they would have to 
> give very long warnings of that, and put another expensive swap scheme 
> into place, as they have just done.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
>
> On 04/11/2022 15:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Here's a question....
>>
>> Today I received an amount of new bar-coded postage stamps under 
>> Royal Mail's Swap-Out scheme.
>> This is because existing stamps which may have been stockpiled before 
>> the rates went up every March,
>> will not be at the correct value after January 2023 and if used, 
>> recipients will be charged an insufficient
>> postage fee.
>>
>> But, what if the postage rates are increased when one has a stock of 
>> the bar-coded stamps, which
>> may well have a date encoded. Would there be a similar problem of 
>> insufficient postage?
>>
>> Royal Mail is keeping quiet about this as no information can be found!
>>
>> Pat H
>>
>>
>>
>
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Nov  5 04:08:24 2022
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 09:08:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
In-Reply-To: <a91c3176-c2d2-2ac3-f54f-067ec48c35b6@amps.net>
References: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
	<a3b2c122-3558-bb8a-673e-18e78ec31119@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<a91c3176-c2d2-2ac3-f54f-067ec48c35b6@amps.net>
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If '/It's taken Royal Mail a considerable time to wake up to the fact 
that stamps would be stockpiled.../' How long might it take Pat to wake 
up to the implications of the real cost at the time of purchase having 
been more thanks to inflation, while Royal Mail benefited from income 
received before its services were required?

Just asking.

Hugh

On 05/11/2022 08:35, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Thank you Chris for your take on this.
> You actually pre-empted my next question : what info is carried by the 
> bar code?
>
> Even with the naked eye, it is possible to detect differences in the 
> patterns.
> What a complicated printing exercise, to make every stamp individually
> different with all the millions in circulation!
>
> It's taken Royal Mail a considerable time to wake up to the fact that
> stamps would be stockpiled before the annual price increases, thus
> losing revenue. This trick was even pointed out by Martin Lewis in
> his moneysaving advice programmes.
>
> There were several comments by people, complaining that it was difficult
> to 'swap-out' if one didn't have internet access, and it was taking 
> too long.
> I had no trouble - there was a leaflet delivered with a tear off section
> to fill in and mail with your old stamps to a freepost address.
> The correct number of 1st & 2nd class new stamps arrived within a 
> couple of weeks.
>
> Pat H
>
> On 04/11/2022 16:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Well I /think/ you will be able to hoard them in the same way, 
>> because there doesn't appear to be a "use by" date in the coding.
>>
>> What seems to be the purpose is to prevent re-use of seemingly 
>> unfranked stamps - the code is individual and therefore can be 
>> spotted if it comes up a second time. This way the franking can 
>> happen electronically without any need to physically mark the stamp.
>>
>> Royal Mail /might/ put out an edict that (say) purple 1st class 
>> stamps would no longer be valid after a certain date, but they would 
>> have to give very long warnings of that, and put another expensive 
>> swap scheme into place, as they have just done.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/11/2022 15:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a question....
>>>
>>> Today I received an amount of new bar-coded postage stamps under 
>>> Royal Mail's Swap-Out scheme.
>>> This is because existing stamps which may have been stockpiled 
>>> before the rates went up every March,
>>> will not be at the correct value after January 2023 and if used, 
>>> recipients will be charged an insufficient
>>> postage fee.
>>>
>>> But, what if the postage rates are increased when one has a stock of 
>>> the bar-coded stamps, which
>>> may well have a date encoded. Would there be a similar problem of 
>>> insufficient postage?
>>>
>>> Royal Mail is keeping quiet about this as no information can be found!
>>>
>>> Pat H
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 04:58:57 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 09:58:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New bar-coded stamps
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References: <982fc3d9-d46d-ed9c-8e5d-a1c26ed4e2cd@amps.net>
	<a3b2c122-3558-bb8a-673e-18e78ec31119@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <49705e87-6673-3b04-135b-7935779bddfb@gmail.com>

I'd thought the main reason would be to stop stamps which hadn't been 
cancelled (franked?) being used again? Selling those is quite a little 
cottage industry.

On 05/11/2022 09:08, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote:
>
> If '/It's taken Royal Mail a considerable time to wake up to the fact 
> that stamps would be stockpiled.../' How long might it take Pat to 
> wake up to the implications of the real cost at the time of purchase 
> having been more thanks to inflation, while Royal Mail benefited from 
> income received before its services were required?
>
> Just asking.
>
> Hugh
>
> On 05/11/2022 08:35, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Chris for your take on this.
>> You actually pre-empted my next question : what info is carried by 
>> the bar code?
>>
>> Even with the naked eye, it is possible to detect differences in the 
>> patterns.
>> What a complicated printing exercise, to make every stamp individually
>> different with all the millions in circulation!
>>
>> It's taken Royal Mail a considerable time to wake up to the fact that
>> stamps would be stockpiled before the annual price increases, thus
>> losing revenue. This trick was even pointed out by Martin Lewis in
>> his moneysaving advice programmes.
>>
>> There were several comments by people, complaining that it was difficult
>> to 'swap-out' if one didn't have internet access, and it was taking 
>> too long.
>> I had no trouble - there was a leaflet delivered with a tear off section
>> to fill in and mail with your old stamps to a freepost address.
>> The correct number of 1st & 2nd class new stamps arrived within a 
>> couple of weeks.
>>
>> Pat H
>>
>> On 04/11/2022 16:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Well I /think/ you will be able to hoard them in the same way, 
>>> because there doesn't appear to be a "use by" date in the coding.
>>>
>>> What seems to be the purpose is to prevent re-use of seemingly 
>>> unfranked stamps - the code is individual and therefore can be 
>>> spotted if it comes up a second time. This way the franking can 
>>> happen electronically without any need to physically mark the stamp.
>>>
>>> Royal Mail /might/ put out an edict that (say) purple 1st class 
>>> stamps would no longer be valid after a certain date, but they would 
>>> have to give very long warnings of that, and put another expensive 
>>> swap scheme into place, as they have just done.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/11/2022 15:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here's a question....
>>>>
>>>> Today I received an amount of new bar-coded postage stamps under 
>>>> Royal Mail's Swap-Out scheme.
>>>> This is because existing stamps which may have been stockpiled 
>>>> before the rates went up every March,
>>>> will not be at the correct value after January 2023 and if used, 
>>>> recipients will be charged an insufficient
>>>> postage fee.
>>>>
>>>> But, what if the postage rates are increased when one has a stock 
>>>> of the bar-coded stamps, which
>>>> may well have a date encoded. Would there be a similar problem of 
>>>> insufficient postage?
>>>>
>>>> Royal Mail is keeping quiet about this as no information can be found!
>>>>
>>>> Pat H
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From phider at gmx.com  Tue Nov  8 15:22:15 2022
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2022 21:22:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] More Found
In-Reply-To: <5E4E641E-B0F9-406A-B586-AD4E600E7FBA@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1MJE2D-1oYMu015wp-00Kl2V@mail.gmx.net>

Once upon a time, a long time time ago, in 1974 I worked as No.2 to Jim on 'I Claudius'.Robert Graves the writer of the book upon which it was based visited the studio. He was wearing his signature floppy Fedora hat and he seemed a bit vague but as he walked past me I asked him to sign my script which he duly did. I still have the script and attach the signed page.I left Cameras for Drama Department in 1980 and went to work in Majorca on a Ruth Rendell Mystery, the Strawberry Tree.Thomas Graves, the son of Robert came onto the Design Department as a local assistantSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 23/07/2022  19:33  (GMT+00:00) To: David Taylor <david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk> Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tech1] More Found I used to have a copy of the script for a pilot of a cookery programme with Delia Smith but haven?t seen it since I last moved house :-( I do rememeber eating the results though!If it turns up I?ll scan it and post it on here.? Graeme Wall> On 23 Jul 2022, at 18:22, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:> > Bernard,> How amazing that you kept it....and have? found it again!> I will relish reading it and try and incorporate bits in my original article if that's OK.> Caversham would appreciate the original I'm sure.> Don't we all wish we'd kept some of our old scripts or even planning sheets.> I have a couple of original 'Mr Bean' scripts....anyone else got anything hidden away?> > David T> On 23 Jul 2022, at 17:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:> This is mostly for David Taylor.....> > 55 years and one month ago I passed through TC1 on the way to somewhere.? I picked up a junk script with Brian Hiles name on it.? It was for Our World, which was what was in TC1, but it was junk because it was the original version, which started with a view from a Soviet satellite looking down at the Earth. At the last minute the Russians took offence at something and dropped out, thus making this version of the script useless.?? It's probably the only copy.> > I found it stuffed in a bag with lots of other stuff, and here it is - unclipped and scanned after 55 years - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/Our_World.pdf> > B>? -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk> -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From phider at gmx.com  Tue Nov  8 15:27:26 2022
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2022 21:27:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] More Found
Message-ID: <1MYvcG-1oWV9F3NPU-00UoNX@mail.gmx.net>

It's a small world!Tomas Graves.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: phider <phider at gmx.com> Date: 08/11/2022  21:22  (GMT+00:00) To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>, David Taylor <david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk> Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tech1] More Found Once upon a time, a long time time ago, in 1974 I worked as No.2 to Jim on 'I Claudius'.Robert Graves the writer of the book upon which it was based visited the studio. He was wearing his signature floppy Fedora hat and he seemed a bit vague but as he walked past me I asked him to sign my script which he duly did. I still have the script and attach the signed page.I left Cameras for Drama Department in 1980 and went to work in Majorca on a Ruth Rendell Mystery, the Strawberry Tree.Thomas Graves, the son of Robert came onto the Design Department as a local assistantSent from my Galaxy-------- Original message --------From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 23/07/2022  19:33  (GMT+00:00) To: David Taylor <david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk> Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tech1] More Found I used to have a copy of the script for a pilot of a cookery programme with Delia Smith but haven?t seen it since I last moved house :-( I do rememeber eating the results though!If it turns up I?ll scan it and post it on here.? Graeme Wall> On 23 Jul 2022, at 18:22, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:> > Bernard,> How amazing that you kept it....and have? found it again!> I will relish reading it and try and incorporate bits in my original article if that's OK.> Caversham would appreciate the original I'm sure.> Don't we all wish we'd kept some of our old scripts or even planning sheets.> I have a couple of original 'Mr Bean' scripts....anyone else got anything hidden away?> > David T> On 23 Jul 2022, at 17:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:> This is mostly for David Taylor.....> > 55 years and one month ago I passed through TC1 on the way to somewhere.? I picked up a junk script with Brian Hiles name on it.? It was for Our World, which was what was in TC1, but it was junk because it was the original version, which started with a view from a Soviet satellite looking down at the Earth. At the last minute the Russians took offence at something and dropped out, thus making this version of the script useless.?? It's probably the only copy.> > I found it stuffed in a bag with lots of other stuff, and here it is - unclipped and scanned after 55 years - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/Our_World.pdf> > B>? -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk> -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From dougsmithis at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  9 08:09:32 2022
From: dougsmithis at hotmail.com (Doug)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:09:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Glyn Alkin's Book on Sound
In-Reply-To: <0edd3d67-9362-532c-6aa2-707de8bef359@amps.net>
References: <0edd3d67-9362-532c-6aa2-707de8bef359@amps.net>
Message-ID: <AM6PR09MB29357A67F5E5E47764380270A73E9@AM6PR09MB2935.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>

Good afternoon,

I?m sorry to have to let you know that my father, Doug Smith, sadly passed away last Sunday. 

For those of you for whom his name may ring a bell, he worked as a cameraman for the BBC from 1963.  He moved to Pebble Mill in 1979, taking early retirement in 2000. From my experiences of accompanying him as ?assistant? (school holidays 1987-1994) he could mostly be found having a nap behind a locked off camera, or as he would have it, deep in thought (most probably about the days crossword).

He spoke very fondly of his time behind the camera, and the characters that he met through his career. I?d be most grateful if you could forward this on to the group in case there are those that remember those days, and to thank them for accommodating his grubby child in the hallowed crew room.

Kind regards,

Howard Smith


> On 28 Oct 2022, at 12:30, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Browsing the Internet recently, I happened across Glyn Alkin's book, available to view for free.
> 
> I knew of it, but did not realise how comprehensive it was, although perhaps not quite up to date with the digital era.
> 
> As there have been many adverse comments about sound quality from BH's newsroom, it would be useful
> for those responsible for the audio thereof, to read it!
> 
> Remember the exercises at Wood Norton, to treat an echoey room with Cabot's quilts?
> Could do with a few of those with contributors from laptops, these days!
> 
> Pat H
> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 02:00:31 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:00:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Glyn Alkin's Book on Sound
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR09MB29357A67F5E5E47764380270A73E9@AM6PR09MB2935.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <0edd3d67-9362-532c-6aa2-707de8bef359@amps.net>
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very sad to hear of Doug?s passing Howard. I remember him well from my BBC
days. A very likeable chap, he was well liked by all.
Geoff F

On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 14:10, Doug via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> I?m sorry to have to let you know that my father, Doug Smith, sadly passed
> away last Sunday.
>
> For those of you for whom his name may ring a bell, he worked as a
> cameraman for the BBC from 1963.  He moved to Pebble Mill in 1979, taking
> early retirement in 2000. From my experiences of accompanying him as
> ?assistant? (school holidays 1987-1994) he could mostly be found having a
> nap behind a locked off camera, or as he would have it, deep in thought
> (most probably about the days crossword).
>
> He spoke very fondly of his time behind the camera, and the characters
> that he met through his career. I?d be most grateful if you could forward
> this on to the group in case there are those that remember those days, and
> to thank them for accommodating his grubby child in the hallowed crew room.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Howard Smith
>
>
> On 28 Oct 2022, at 12:30, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Browsing the Internet recently, I happened across Glyn Alkin's book,
> available to view for free.
>
> I knew of it, but did not realise how comprehensive it was, although
> perhaps not quite up to date with the digital era.
>
> As there have been many adverse comments about sound quality from BH's
> newsroom, it would be useful
> for those responsible for the audio thereof, to read it!
>
> Remember the exercises at Wood Norton, to treat an echoey room with
> Cabot's quilts?
> Could do with a few of those with contributors from laptops, these days!
>
> Pat H
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
>
> --
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From k.sam at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Nov 10 04:04:35 2022
From: k.sam at tiscali.co.uk (Keith Salmon)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:04:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Glyn Alkin's Book on Sound
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR09MB29357A67F5E5E47764380270A73E9@AM6PR09MB2935.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>
References: <0edd3d67-9362-532c-6aa2-707de8bef359@amps.net>
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So sorry to hear that your dad has passed away Howard.
Doug was not on my crew but I spent many happy years working with him at Pebble Mill.
He was a pleasure to know always happy, with a constant smile.
He moved to Kidderminster and after leaving the BBC became a teacher.
RIP Doug.

Keith Salmon


> On 9 Nov 2022, at 14:09, Doug via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon,
> 
> I?m sorry to have to let you know that my father, Doug Smith, sadly passed away last Sunday. 
> 
> For those of you for whom his name may ring a bell, he worked as a cameraman for the BBC from 1963.  He moved to Pebble Mill in 1979, taking early retirement in 2000. From my experiences of accompanying him as ?assistant? (school holidays 1987-1994) he could mostly be found having a nap behind a locked off camera, or as he would have it, deep in thought (most probably about the days crossword).
> 
> He spoke very fondly of his time behind the camera, and the characters that he met through his career. I?d be most grateful if you could forward this on to the group in case there are those that remember those days, and to thank them for accommodating his grubby child in the hallowed crew room.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Howard Smith
> 
> 
>> On 28 Oct 2022, at 12:30, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Browsing the Internet recently, I happened across Glyn Alkin's book, available to view for free.
>> 
>> I knew of it, but did not realise how comprehensive it was, although perhaps not quite up to date with the digital era.
>> 
>> As there have been many adverse comments about sound quality from BH's newsroom, it would be useful
>> for those responsible for the audio thereof, to read it!
>> 
>> Remember the exercises at Wood Norton, to treat an echoey room with Cabot's quilts?
>> Could do with a few of those with contributors from laptops, these days!
>> 
>> Pat H
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Nov 10 04:09:51 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:09:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Doug Smith :Was Glyn Alkin's Book on Sound
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB_HCUJ4jhUFOcnZRedXbHG7fFQaQBhN0rYjvmn8CV5jMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB99AB_HCUJ4jhUFOcnZRedXbHG7fFQaQBhN0rYjvmn8CV5jMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Shortly I will be archiving the mention of Doug?s passing and memories of him on the Tech Ops web site, along with others who have recently left us. If anybody has a picture of him, it would be a nice touch to include a picture with the tributes.

The same applies to anybody else passing away in the future. If anybody can provide a photograph of them, it would be appreciated.

Alan

> On 10 Nov 2022, at 08:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> very sad to hear of Doug?s passing Howard. I remember him well from my BBC days. A very likeable chap, he was well liked by all.
> Geoff F
> 
>> On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 14:10, Doug via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>> 
>> I?m sorry to have to let you know that my father, Doug Smith, sadly passed away last Sunday. 
>> 
>> For those of you for whom his name may ring a bell, he worked as a cameraman for the BBC from 1963.  He moved to Pebble Mill in 1979, taking early retirement in 2000. From my experiences of accompanying him as ?assistant? (school holidays 1987-1994) he could mostly be found having a nap behind a locked off camera, or as he would have it, deep in thought (most probably about the days crossword).
>> 
>> He spoke very fondly of his time behind the camera, and the characters that he met through his career. I?d be most grateful if you could forward this on to the group in case there are those that remember those days, and to thank them for accommodating his grubby child in the hallowed crew room.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Howard Smith
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Oct 2022, at 12:30, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Browsing the Internet recently, I happened across Glyn Alkin's book, available to view for free.
>>> 
>>> I knew of it, but did not realise how comprehensive it was, although perhaps not quite up to date with the digital era.
>>> 
>>> As there have been many adverse comments about sound quality from BH's newsroom, it would be useful
>>> for those responsible for the audio thereof, to read it!
>>> 
>>> Remember the exercises at Wood Norton, to treat an echoey room with Cabot's quilts?
>>> Could do with a few of those with contributors from laptops, these days!
>>> 
>>> Pat H
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 05:16:00 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 11:16:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Doug Smith :Was Glyn Alkin's Book on Sound
In-Reply-To: <59081DBF-3F87-417F-B42C-0EBF7DAEF53A@me.com>
References: <CAB99AB_HCUJ4jhUFOcnZRedXbHG7fFQaQBhN0rYjvmn8CV5jMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<59081DBF-3F87-417F-B42C-0EBF7DAEF53A@me.com>
Message-ID: <C79EDB28-C93A-4273-9F4D-28EC899BB8B8@gmail.com>

I have found Doug on thes etwo photos. 
TO18 - Doug is on middle row, second from the end on the right: 
Crew 3 at Prince Charles' investiture as Prince Of Wales -  Doug is on the left.
Smiling as always. 
RIP old friend.





Geoff F














> On 10 Nov 2022, at 10:09, Alan Tayor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote





> :
> 
> Shortly I will be archiving the mention of Doug?s passing and memories of him on the Tech Ops web site, along with others who have recently left us. If anybody has a picture of him, it would be a nice touch to include a picture with the tributes.
> 
> The same applies to anybody else passing away in the future. If anybody can provide a photograph of them, it would be appreciated.
> 
> Alan
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2022, at 08:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> very sad to hear of Doug?s passing Howard. I remember him well from my BBC days. A very likeable chap, he was well liked by all.
>> Geoff F
>> 
>> On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 14:10, Doug via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>> 
>> I?m sorry to have to let you know that my father, Doug Smith, sadly passed away last Sunday. 
>> 
>> For those of you for whom his name may ring a bell, he worked as a cameraman for the BBC from 1963.  He moved to Pebble Mill in 1979, taking early retirement in 2000. From my experiences of accompanying him as ?assistant? (school holidays 1987-1994) he could mostly be found having a nap behind a locked off camera, or as he would have it, deep in thought (most probably about the days crossword).
>> 
>> He spoke very fondly of his time behind the camera, and the characters that he met through his career. I?d be most grateful if you could forward this on to the group in case there are those that remember those days, and to thank them for accommodating his grubby child in the hallowed crew room.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Howard Smith
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Oct 2022, at 12:30, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Browsing the Internet recently, I happened across Glyn Alkin's book, available to view for free.
>>> 
>>> I knew of it, but did not realise how comprehensive it was, although perhaps not quite up to date with the digital era.
>>> 
>>> As there have been many adverse comments about sound quality from BH's newsroom, it would be useful
>>> for those responsible for the audio thereof, to read it!
>>> 
>>> Remember the exercises at Wood Norton, to treat an echoey room with Cabot's quilts?
>>> Could do with a few of those with contributors from laptops, these days!
>>> 
>>> Pat H
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk <http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>
>> 
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>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk <http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>
>> -- 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 03:50:55 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:50:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Make your own mic
Message-ID: <c923079d-1fb5-f4eb-869b-1d4c5b3dcdd7@gmail.com>

Hi all,

All those posts about which mic to use for which occasion - why, you 
could make your own!

This article is from the very First issue of the very First year of 
publication of "The Model Engineer" magazine - February 1898 (yup, 1898).

Don't think it would fit in a boom cradle...

Best regards,


Alec


-- 
=======

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
Mob:  07789 561 346
Tel:  0118 981 7502
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Fri Nov 11 04:56:15 2022
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:56:15 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nice VR Tour of Chichester Festival Theatre
Message-ID: <9ce4a572-e686-4f8f-838a-9be7f1f9fa29@me.com>

H Folks,For those of us who had a start in Theatre and still have the love oflive productions. Full marks to who ever in CFT ?made the VR Video.Should inspire a fell young people!Tony N.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yGcRXIbmgs
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Nov 11 11:47:42 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:47:42 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] posts not arriving in my inbox
Message-ID: <0F0B265F23D44F948FAD6E0ADC405123@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I hesitate to add to this topic because I understand from earlier examples that, whatever the problem may be, it is unlikely a full explanation is possible. However.....

Yesterday (Nov 10th), a post from Geoff fletcher re Doug Smith and the request for photo images is on the archive but not in my inbox.
Today (Nov 11th), a post from Alec Bray ?Make your own mic? is also on the archive but not in my inbox.

Purely for interest I would appreciate hearing if anyone else missed these. I wasn?t on the archive looking for examples of this hiccup but my attention was caught by Alec?s ?make your own mic? subject heading as I would certainly have homed in on it had it come to me. Almost next door in the list was Geoff?s post.

Dave Newbitt.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 11 12:22:29 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 18:22:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] posts not arriving in my inbox
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I received both messages, Dave, what I do not receive are my own 
contributions - unless someone comments on one and then I can see it 
below their message! Cheers, Dave


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 13:45:00 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:45:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] posts not arriving in my inbox
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I'm sorry I still don't know the answer.

Bernie

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022, 18:23 dave.mdv via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I received both messages, Dave, what I do not receive are my own
> contributions - unless someone comments on one and then I can see it
> below their message! Cheers, Dave
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 13:47:31 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:47:31 +0000
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Cc: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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I'm sorry I still don't know the answer.

Bernie

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022, 18:23 dave.mdv via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I received both messages, Dave, what I do not receive are my own
> contributions - unless someone comments on one and then I can see it
> below their message! Cheers, Dave
>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sat Nov 12 02:14:19 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:14:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
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Tried sending Dave a message direct from my other eMail address and it was
also blocked. Must be a prob at his end I think Bernie.
Geoff F

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 at 19:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>
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> Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
> To: <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>
>
> [image: Error Icon]
> Message blocked
> Your message to *dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net* has been blocked. See technical
> details below for more information.
> The response from the remote server was:
>
> 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [209.85.219.53] blocked using
> cbl.abuseat.org
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> To: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
> Cc: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:45:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] posts not arriving in my inbox
> I'm sorry I still don't know the answer.
>
> Bernie
>
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2022, 18:23 dave.mdv via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I received both messages, Dave, what I do not receive are my own
>> contributions - unless someone comments on one and then I can see it
>> below their message! Cheers, Dave
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Nov 12 03:17:35 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:17:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Email System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Fwd:
 Email System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Re: posts not arriving in
 my inbox
In-Reply-To: <20221111215124.EPSN3055.re-prd-fep-043.btinternet.com@re-prd-fep-043>
References: <20221111215124.EPSN3055.re-prd-fep-043.btinternet.com@re-prd-fep-043>
Message-ID: <170c933d-903d-6c1c-1796-3deaae50f91a@btinternet.com>

This is the reply I get when I try To e-mail Dave Newbitt. Cheers, Dave


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Email System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Fwd: Email 
System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Re: [Tech1] posts not 
arriving in my inbox
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 21:51:24 +0000
From: Email Administrator <postmaster at btinternet.com>
Reply-To: Email Administrator <postmaster at btinternet.com>
To: dave.mdv at btinternet.com

Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server. 
The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine why 
each recipient was rejected.

     Recipient: <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
     Reason:    5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [213.120.69.102] 
blocked using cbl.abuseat.org; Error: open resolver; 
https://www.spamhaus.org/returnc/pub/3.251.120.108

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Nov 12 03:24:29 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:24:29 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB-k+9jX6kFMs38TjDuXKbZpCSzknkB5mYd=eye1=dKrqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0F0B265F23D44F948FAD6E0ADC405123@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><40f5f102-5ef7-cff8-295c-f718d4f9db40@btinternet.com><CAA7MLyFUtB_jL+s8Qtq27UVcq5g0bgEj3zXRRoLD+xfBtEco_Q@mail.gmail.com><636ea647.0c0a0220.f729c.46ff.GMR@mx.google.com><CAA7MLyHeQSZfO0cSZ-ZsnvdUurmmkQsAPydOvDhLQEV0R8YhkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB-k+9jX6kFMs38TjDuXKbZpCSzknkB5mYd=eye1=dKrqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1174965A002A4B47A815E880B1282793@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Now there?s food for thought Geoff. A couple of days ago a local cattery found their sent message blocked when trying to email my wife (second email account on my ISP arrangement) ? same tech details regarding reason. Following day repeat attempt by cattery was fine.

When I looked up the reason behind < 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; client host ---.?.---.?blocked using cbl .abuseat .org >, it indicated that this was due to our receiving server being suspicious of the sender?s server.

I don?t pretend to understand any of this but the cattery?s server which was blocked was 209.85.221.52, in Geoff?s case it was 209.85.219.53. Can anyone suggest a way of investigating/resolving this? Would be most grateful!

Thank you Geoff for taking the trouble to try messaging direct to me,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 8:14 AM
To: Bernard Newnham 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

Tried sending Dave a message direct from my other eMail address and it was also blocked. Must be a prob at his end I think Bernie. 
Geoff F

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 at 19:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ---------- Forwarded message ---------
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon at googlemail.com>
  Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022, 19:45
  Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
  To: <bernie833 at gmail.com>




               Message blocked  
                    Your message to dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net has been blocked. See technical details below for more information.  
             
       
        The response from the remote server was:

        554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [209.85.219.53] blocked using cbl.abuseat.org 
       




  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
  From: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
  To: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
  Cc: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
  Bcc: 
  Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:45:00 +0000
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] posts not arriving in my inbox

  I'm sorry I still don't know the answer. 

  Bernie

  On Fri, 11 Nov 2022, 18:23 dave.mdv via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    I received both messages, Dave, what I do not receive are my own 
    contributions - unless someone comments on one and then I can see it 
    below their message! Cheers, Dave


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Nov 12 03:47:25 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:47:25 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Email System Error - Returned Email with Subject:
 Fwd: Email System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Re: posts not
 arriving in my inbox
In-Reply-To: <170c933d-903d-6c1c-1796-3deaae50f91a@btinternet.com>
References: <20221111215124.EPSN3055.re-prd-fep-043.btinternet.com@re-prd-fep-043>
	<170c933d-903d-6c1c-1796-3deaae50f91a@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B670B5EC3B4243DE8CF44ED11674C6C4@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

This adds to the info I have just posted Dave so that makes at least 3 
sender's servers blocked by our receiving server. Looks as though I need to 
chase up our ISP. Thank you for trying - much appreciated.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 9:17 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Email System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Fwd: 
Email System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Re: posts not arriving in 
my inbox

This is the reply I get when I try To e-mail Dave Newbitt. Cheers, Dave


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Email System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Fwd: Email
System Error - Returned Email with Subject: Re: [Tech1] posts not
arriving in my inbox
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 21:51:24 +0000
From: Email Administrator <postmaster at btinternet.com>
Reply-To: Email Administrator <postmaster at btinternet.com>
To: dave.mdv at btinternet.com

Each of the following recipients was rejected by a remote mail server.
The reasons given by the server are included to help you determine why
each recipient was rejected.

     Recipient: <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
     Reason:    5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [213.120.69.102]
blocked using cbl.abuseat.org; Error: open resolver;
https://www.spamhaus.org/returnc/pub/3.251.120.108







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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Nov 12 08:33:11 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 14:33:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] posts not arriving in my inbox
In-Reply-To: <0F0B265F23D44F948FAD6E0ADC405123@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <0F0B265F23D44F948FAD6E0ADC405123@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <28d225d9-cff5-a9d4-d353-8b7c974cc699@amps.net>

I received the two postings OK that Dave N didn't get, but I do have 
another problem. Postings from my Guild (AMPS) do not display properly,
mostly blank where the text should be, images and logos show OK, instead 
- a series of little boxes with numbers. Is this a form of encryption?

Messages come up OK on a Fire 7 tablet.

Wonder if it's to do with a particular browser. Tablet has Amazon's 
Silk, but the laptop uses either Firefox or Google Chrome, also
Microsoft Edge is loaded.

The e-mail programme is Thunderbird. Something is clashing, somewhere!

Weren't computers supposed to make life simpler, but I get so frustrated 
by trying to remember what passwords I've variously used.

Try too many attempts with Banking and Credit Card sites and one gets 
locked out, resulting in phone calls and, here's another
moan - negotiating endless telephone menus - and one's particular 
problem category is never included, so one holds for ages,
to speak to a real human!

Pat


On 11/11/2022 17:47, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> I hesitate to add to this topic because I understand from earlier 
> examples that, whatever the problem may be, it is unlikely a full 
> explanation is possible. However.....
> Yesterday (Nov 10th), a post from Geoff fletcher re Doug Smith and the 
> request for photo images is on the archive but not in my inbox.
> Today (Nov 11th), a post from Alec Bray ?Make your own mic? is also on 
> the archive but not in my inbox.
> Purely for interest I would appreciate hearing if anyone else missed 
> these. I wasn?t on the archive looking for examples of this hiccup but 
> my attention was caught by Alec?s ?make your own mic? subject heading 
> as I would certainly have homed in on it had it come to me. Almost 
> next door in the list was Geoff?s post.
> Dave Newbitt.
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Nov 14 02:41:01 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 08:41:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604159BEEB07E365CE3C9B7A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad


From waresound at msn.com  Mon Nov 14 03:18:07 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:18:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB1604159BEEB07E365CE3C9B7A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM9P191MB1604159BEEB07E365CE3C9B7A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604770B03374ABD31F051F1A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.
Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.
Cheers,
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
> N.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Nov 14 03:25:16 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:25:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB1604770B03374ABD31F051F1A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM9P191MB1604770B03374ABD31F051F1A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <F82C29C7-8277-4E12-B5EE-6814B757F32A@icloud.com>

Yes Nick, I saw it,

Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 14 Nov 2022, at 09:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.
> Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.
> Cheers,
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
>> N.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Nov 14 03:36:05 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:36:05 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <F82C29C7-8277-4E12-B5EE-6814B757F32A@icloud.com>
References: <AM9P191MB1604770B03374ABD31F051F1A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<F82C29C7-8277-4E12-B5EE-6814B757F32A@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <BDAEA655963146ADA7FFD6324ACEBA30@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Have just seen Peter's response to Nick's enquiry so checked on the archive 
and saw two 'test' posts from Nick, neither of which came to me.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Neill via Tech1
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:25 AM
To: Nick Ware
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test

Yes Nick, I saw it,

Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.

> On 14 Nov 2022, at 09:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.
> Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.
> Cheers,
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
>> N.
>>
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Mon Nov 14 03:45:08 2022
From: david.jasma at sky.com (david.jasma)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:45:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB1604770B03374ABD31F051F1A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1744088831.915126.1668419111050@sky.com>

Yes, Nick.From Dave? BuckleySent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 14/11/2022  09:18  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.Cheers,Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:> > ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)> N.> > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 03:47:44 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:47:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB1604770B03374ABD31F051F1A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM9P191MB1604159BEEB07E365CE3C9B7A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<AM9P191MB1604770B03374ABD31F051F1A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <aa76269d-bb12-072e-59db-9375c1e2be2e@gmail.com>

Yes Nick, I saw it!

BR Alec

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 04:00:30 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 10:00:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB1604159BEEB07E365CE3C9B7A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM9P191MB1604159BEEB07E365CE3C9B7A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <a4379c60-5206-0530-c01d-6291acd09177@ntlworld.com>

I saw it

B



On 14/11/2022 08:41, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
> N.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Nov 14 04:54:58 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 10:54:58 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <679353E30761405DACD00FF39F154F1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <679353E30761405DACD00FF39F154F1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <89DC10A3E05347E0B422CFABD4431A08@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Now find from the archive I've missed a further three - David Jasma, Alec & 
Bernie. So I chased my ISP.

I have been 14 years unbroken with Firefly Internet (Firefly Cloud). A long 
way off being the cheapest but stuck with them for the quality of their 
customer responsiveness. In Jan this year they (together with Surftime 
Anytime) were bought up by inTEC Business. Firefly was a small outfit, all 
of their front line people having a stake in the company, all of whom I came 
to know and trust. They didn't offer telephone contact at weekends but you 
could raise a help ticket which would be responded to in very reasonable 
time. Weekday telephone contact never involved more than a couple of minutes 
wait, menu was a choice of two - accounts or customer service. Bliss.

Now, the help ticket I raised early Saturday morning was still not attended 
to 48 hrs later so at 10 am I rang. Still a short wait time in fairness but 
I find that weekends are now a dead end. Chap who responded had other users 
with the same problem which seemingly is caused by Spamshield, recently 
upgraded to provide the ultimate in spam filtering. Hmmm.

Some humour in hearing one's ISP had an email to me blocked! Think they're 
currently looking for a 'restore point'.

I expressed my disappointment on hearing that all the Firefly folk I knew 
have gone, bought out I'm told with generous compensation. We're all used to 
"big dog eats little dog", this looks like small dog eats even smaller dog.

Think I may be looking around with a view to changing.

Dave Newbitt



-----Original Message----- 
From: David Newbitt
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:36 AM
To: Peter Neill ; Nick Ware
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test

Have just seen Peter's response to Nick's enquiry so checked on the archive
and saw two 'test' posts from Nick, neither of which came to me.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Neill via Tech1
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:25 AM
To: Nick Ware
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test

Yes Nick, I saw it,

Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.

> On 14 Nov 2022, at 09:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.
> Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.
> Cheers,
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
>> N.
>>
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 05:04:08 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:04:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <89DC10A3E05347E0B422CFABD4431A08@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <679353E30761405DACD00FF39F154F1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<89DC10A3E05347E0B422CFABD4431A08@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <6d5be2c7-c824-aacd-b850-1eae5a975df9@gmail.com>

Gmail is easy and straightforward, and probably the biggest email 
provider in the world. You can use it in parallel.

These days I use Gmail for pretty much everything in which I expect to 
interact. That's especially Tech1, the reason I got it in the first 
place. Most of the stuff that comes to my Ntlworld address is now junk

B



On 14/11/2022 10:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Now find from the archive I've missed a further three - David Jasma, 
> Alec & Bernie. So I chased my ISP.
>
> I have been 14 years unbroken with Firefly Internet (Firefly Cloud). A 
> long way off being the cheapest but stuck with them for the quality of 
> their customer responsiveness. In Jan this year they (together with 
> Surftime Anytime) were bought up by inTEC Business. Firefly was a 
> small outfit, all of their front line people having a stake in the 
> company, all of whom I came to know and trust. They didn't offer 
> telephone contact at weekends but you could raise a help ticket which 
> would be responded to in very reasonable time. Weekday telephone 
> contact never involved more than a couple of minutes wait, menu was a 
> choice of two - accounts or customer service. Bliss.
>
> Now, the help ticket I raised early Saturday morning was still not 
> attended to 48 hrs later so at 10 am I rang. Still a short wait time 
> in fairness but I find that weekends are now a dead end. Chap who 
> responded had other users with the same problem which seemingly is 
> caused by Spamshield, recently upgraded to provide the ultimate in 
> spam filtering. Hmmm.
>
> Some humour in hearing one's ISP had an email to me blocked! Think 
> they're currently looking for a 'restore point'.
>
> I expressed my disappointment on hearing that all the Firefly folk I 
> knew have gone, bought out I'm told with generous compensation. We're 
> all used to "big dog eats little dog", this looks like small dog eats 
> even smaller dog.
>
> Think I may be looking around with a view to changing.
>
> Dave Newbitt
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:36 AM
> To: Peter Neill ; Nick Ware
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test
>
> Have just seen Peter's response to Nick's enquiry so checked on the 
> archive
> and saw two 'test' posts from Nick, neither of which came to me.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Neill via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:25 AM
> To: Nick Ware
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test
>
> Yes Nick, I saw it,
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>
>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 09:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.
>> Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
>>> N.
>>>
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Nov 14 05:55:01 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:55:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <6d5be2c7-c824-aacd-b850-1eae5a975df9@gmail.com>
References: <679353E30761405DACD00FF39F154F1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<89DC10A3E05347E0B422CFABD4431A08@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<6d5be2c7-c824-aacd-b850-1eae5a975df9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cdef40ae-0c47-bb15-f25d-664b076a7a34@chriswoolf.co.uk>

I slightly agree - gmail in parallel with a proper ISP works fairly well.

But gmail isn't without its foibles. I've had endless problems with it 
on the IPS list site, and on some private gmail addresses too, where it 
refuses intermittently to deliver, but doesn't tell me. Gmail seems to 
create odd blacklists for no obvious reason. I had assumed it would be 
just on stuff from my chriswoolf domain, but it even does it to my gmail 
account on occasions - and no chance of finding out why.

As with Dave Newbitt, I used to use a small (and excellent) ISP - 
newnet. They got taken over and the service fell apart - had to junk 
them. I now use A & A, who are expensive and specialist, but are 
absolutely brilliant when it comes to problems. I think they are too 
staunchly independent, and hold a powerful position on account of that, 
to be vulnerable to takeover.

Chris Woolf


On 14/11/2022 11:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Gmail is easy and straightforward, and probably the biggest email 
> provider in the world. You can use it in parallel.
>
> These days I use Gmail for pretty much everything in which I expect to 
> interact. That's especially Tech1, the reason I got it in the first 
> place. Most of the stuff that comes to my Ntlworld address is now junk
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 14/11/2022 10:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Now find from the archive I've missed a further three - David Jasma, 
>> Alec & Bernie. So I chased my ISP.
>>
>> I have been 14 years unbroken with Firefly Internet (Firefly Cloud). 
>> A long way off being the cheapest but stuck with them for the quality 
>> of their customer responsiveness. In Jan this year they (together 
>> with Surftime Anytime) were bought up by inTEC Business. Firefly was 
>> a small outfit, all of their front line people having a stake in the 
>> company, all of whom I came to know and trust. They didn't offer 
>> telephone contact at weekends but you could raise a help ticket which 
>> would be responded to in very reasonable time. Weekday telephone 
>> contact never involved more than a couple of minutes wait, menu was a 
>> choice of two - accounts or customer service. Bliss.
>>
>> Now, the help ticket I raised early Saturday morning was still not 
>> attended to 48 hrs later so at 10 am I rang. Still a short wait time 
>> in fairness but I find that weekends are now a dead end. Chap who 
>> responded had other users with the same problem which seemingly is 
>> caused by Spamshield, recently upgraded to provide the ultimate in 
>> spam filtering. Hmmm.
>>
>> Some humour in hearing one's ISP had an email to me blocked! Think 
>> they're currently looking for a 'restore point'.
>>
>> I expressed my disappointment on hearing that all the Firefly folk I 
>> knew have gone, bought out I'm told with generous compensation. We're 
>> all used to "big dog eats little dog", this looks like small dog eats 
>> even smaller dog.
>>
>> Think I may be looking around with a view to changing.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:36 AM
>> To: Peter Neill ; Nick Ware
>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test
>>
>> Have just seen Peter's response to Nick's enquiry so checked on the 
>> archive
>> and saw two 'test' posts from Nick, neither of which came to me.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Neill via Tech1
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:25 AM
>> To: Nick Ware
>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test
>>
>> Yes Nick, I saw it,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>>
>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 09:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.
>>> Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
>>>> N.
>>>>
>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 06:03:12 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:03:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <cdef40ae-0c47-bb15-f25d-664b076a7a34@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <679353E30761405DACD00FF39F154F1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<89DC10A3E05347E0B422CFABD4431A08@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<6d5be2c7-c824-aacd-b850-1eae5a975df9@gmail.com>
	<cdef40ae-0c47-bb15-f25d-664b076a7a34@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c4cd6a49-ed34-490a-e98d-367559c0609b@gmail.com>

I've tried 3 email addresses with this group. Through having problems 
sending, not receiving.? Something to do with the spam filtering the 
software uses?

So I got a gmail account just for it. But I now get duplicates to that 
gmail address and my previous one - but to my previous one, faster than 
gmail. Your post hasn't yet arrived to the gmail one. So I've replied 
and had to change my from' address manually to gmail.

On 14/11/2022 11:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I slightly agree - gmail in parallel with a proper ISP works fairly well.
>
> But gmail isn't without its foibles. I've had endless problems with it 
> on the IPS list site, and on some private gmail addresses too, where 
> it refuses intermittently to deliver, but doesn't tell me. Gmail seems 
> to create odd blacklists for no obvious reason. I had assumed it would 
> be just on stuff from my chriswoolf domain, but it even does it to my 
> gmail account on occasions - and no chance of finding out why.
>
> As with Dave Newbitt, I used to use a small (and excellent) ISP - 
> newnet. They got taken over and the service fell apart - had to junk 
> them. I now use A & A, who are expensive and specialist, but are 
> absolutely brilliant when it comes to problems. I think they are too 
> staunchly independent, and hold a powerful position on account of 
> that, to be vulnerable to takeover.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 14/11/2022 11:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Gmail is easy and straightforward, and probably the biggest email 
>> provider in the world. You can use it in parallel.
>>
>> These days I use Gmail for pretty much everything in which I expect 
>> to interact. That's especially Tech1, the reason I got it in the 
>> first place. Most of the stuff that comes to my Ntlworld address is 
>> now junk
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14/11/2022 10:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Now find from the archive I've missed a further three - David Jasma, 
>>> Alec & Bernie. So I chased my ISP.
>>>
>>> I have been 14 years unbroken with Firefly Internet (Firefly Cloud). 
>>> A long way off being the cheapest but stuck with them for the 
>>> quality of their customer responsiveness. In Jan this year they 
>>> (together with Surftime Anytime) were bought up by inTEC Business. 
>>> Firefly was a small outfit, all of their front line people having a 
>>> stake in the company, all of whom I came to know and trust. They 
>>> didn't offer telephone contact at weekends but you could raise a 
>>> help ticket which would be responded to in very reasonable time. 
>>> Weekday telephone contact never involved more than a couple of 
>>> minutes wait, menu was a choice of two - accounts or customer 
>>> service. Bliss.
>>>
>>> Now, the help ticket I raised early Saturday morning was still not 
>>> attended to 48 hrs later so at 10 am I rang. Still a short wait time 
>>> in fairness but I find that weekends are now a dead end. Chap who 
>>> responded had other users with the same problem which seemingly is 
>>> caused by Spamshield, recently upgraded to provide the ultimate in 
>>> spam filtering. Hmmm.
>>>
>>> Some humour in hearing one's ISP had an email to me blocked! Think 
>>> they're currently looking for a 'restore point'.
>>>
>>> I expressed my disappointment on hearing that all the Firefly folk I 
>>> knew have gone, bought out I'm told with generous compensation. 
>>> We're all used to "big dog eats little dog", this looks like small 
>>> dog eats even smaller dog.
>>>
>>> Think I may be looking around with a view to changing.
>>>
>>> Dave Newbitt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt
>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:36 AM
>>> To: Peter Neill ; Nick Ware
>>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test
>>>
>>> Have just seen Peter's response to Nick's enquiry so checked on the 
>>> archive
>>> and saw two 'test' posts from Nick, neither of which came to me.
>>>
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Neill via Tech1
>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:25 AM
>>> To: Nick Ware
>>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test
>>>
>>> Yes Nick, I saw it,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>>>
>>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 09:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.
>>>> Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
>>>>> N.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>
>>
>>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Nov 14 06:08:26 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:08:26 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <6d5be2c7-c824-aacd-b850-1eae5a975df9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C5F708BABB542F49D8633E413D32BE2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Thanks Bernie - as you will infer, your post didn?t come to my inbox!

I do have a gmail account but in what will seem an odd way to you mobile competent chaps. My wife and I both have smart phones (mine way out of date, Android O/S not upgradeable above vers. 7.1.1 Nougat dating from Oct 2016), Hilary?s is on vers. 12 Snow Cone from Oct 2021. Neither of them is set up for email as, having spent years out of reach of any cellphone network, we didn?t learn the basics and haven?t grown with the technology. Making or receiving a simple phone call is usually an embarrassingly inept process for both of us.

My gmail account is on a decent Samsung tablet, a Galaxy Tab S5e SM-T720 running Android 11 and this goes with us on holiday or when away and enables us to access our Firefly emails via Webmail but with the gmail option, rarely used, as a backup. Try not to laugh.

There are literally hundreds of contacts who use our firefly addresses, the vast bulk of them not in the contacts list on Windows Live Mail. A tiny handful have the gmail address. The idea of tackling the task of somehow transferring all of the firefly address users to gmail frightens the life out of me. Basically paralysed by ignorance/incompetence.

I haven?t the slightest doubt that the gmail suggestion is common sense and wish we could come to grips with it at the same time as abandoning Windows Live Mail, another instance of fear getting in the way of action.

Apologetically,

Dave Newbitt.


message below copied from archive.
Gmail is easy and straightforward, and probably the biggest email 
provider in the world. You can use it in parallel.

These days I use Gmail for pretty much everything in which I expect to 
interact. That's especially Tech1, the reason I got it in the first 
place. Most of the stuff that comes to my Ntlworld address is now junk

B


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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Nov 14 06:08:20 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:08:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Mail problems
Message-ID: <DEF7B066-DA8E-466D-89AF-43A20018152D@icloud.com>

I use Apple Mail, the native client on my Mac. The problem I have is that about 50% of the time the email gives me no clue as to the sender apart from being from Tech Ops List. I haven?t yet tried to discern a pattern. 

Peter Neill

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Nov 14 06:28:06 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:28:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <0C5F708BABB542F49D8633E413D32BE2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <0C5F708BABB542F49D8633E413D32BE2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <ca60bde7-d30d-5066-bed0-de7a8c763576@chriswoolf.co.uk>

I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.

We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.

I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.

I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
so don't be embarrassed at being honest.

Chris Woolf


On 14/11/2022 12:08, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Thanks Bernie - as you will infer, your post didn?t come to my inbox!
> I do have a gmail account but in what will seem an odd way to you 
> mobile competent chaps. My wife and I both have smart phones (mine way 
> out of date, Android O/S not upgradeable above vers. 7.1.1 Nougat 
> dating from Oct 2016), Hilary?s is on vers. 12 Snow Cone from Oct 
> 2021. Neither of them is set up for email as, having spent years out 
> of reach of any cellphone network, we didn?t learn the basics and 
> haven?t grown with the technology. Making or receiving a simple phone 
> call is usually an embarrassingly inept process for both of us.
> My gmail account is on a decent Samsung tablet, a Galaxy Tab S5e 
> SM-T720 running Android 11 and this goes with us on holiday or when 
> away and enables us to access our Firefly emails via Webmail but with 
> the gmail option, rarely used, as a backup. Try not to laugh.
> There are literally hundreds of contacts who use our firefly 
> addresses, the vast bulk of them not in the contacts list on Windows 
> Live Mail. A tiny handful have the gmail address. The idea of tackling 
> the task of somehow transferring all of the firefly address users to 
> gmail frightens the life out of me. Basically paralysed by 
> ignorance/incompetence.
> I haven?t the slightest doubt that the gmail suggestion is common 
> sense and wish we could come to grips with it at the same time as 
> abandoning Windows Live Mail, another instance of fear getting in the 
> way of action.
> Apologetically,
> Dave Newbitt.
> **
> **
> *message below copied from archive.*
> Gmail is easy and straightforward, and probably the biggest email
> provider in the world. You can use it in parallel.
>
> These days I use Gmail for pretty much everything in which I expect to
> interact. That's especially Tech1, the reason I got it in the first
> place. Most of the stuff that comes to my Ntlworld address is now junk
>
> B
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Nov 14 07:24:42 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:24:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <0C5F708BABB542F49D8633E413D32BE2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <0C5F708BABB542F49D8633E413D32BE2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <8BBE200B-3AD6-42CB-80D0-C5747AFC08E9@me.com>

My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.  

The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.

After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.

I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.

A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.

The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.

Alan

From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 07:28:33 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:28:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <8BBE200B-3AD6-42CB-80D0-C5747AFC08E9@me.com>
References: <0C5F708BABB542F49D8633E413D32BE2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<8BBE200B-3AD6-42CB-80D0-C5747AFC08E9@me.com>
Message-ID: <622a84e2-5716-26c4-cbad-04f1154ae2d1@gmail.com>

I have my own domain hosted by 123-reg. And that address gave problems 
with this site.

On 14/11/2022 13:24, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.
>
> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.
>
> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>
> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.
>
> A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.
>
> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>
> Alan


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Nov 14 04:42:14 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (pat.heigham)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 10:42:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
Message-ID: <o3k3nnhqh2b6m1x9olvovhop.1668422534680@email.android.com>

Received, Nick. Can you describe the weirds?


 Pat

On 14 November 2022, at 09:19, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Did anyone else see this test? I only got back the copy-to-self.
Similar tests between this and my other email addresses are all OK.
Cheers,
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 14 Nov 2022, at 08:41, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
> N.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
-- 
Tech1 mailing list
Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 07:47:07 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:47:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Centrica
Message-ID: <9d4284e9-f4ef-be50-e560-6fc965b6c3ae@gmail.com>

Just had an international phone call regarding some Centrica shares I 
have - not a vast amount. The had my name and address correct. She said 
their client is engaged in a takeover of Centrica - and offered between 
?7-15 per share. Current price, under a quid. I take it this is just 
another scam? But a bit of a worry they knew I owned shares in Centrica?


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Nov 14 08:37:14 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 14:37:14 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
Message-ID: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.



I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green. 



Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)? 



Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.



I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?



Dave Newbitt



Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive



My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.  



The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.



After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.



I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.



A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.



The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.



Alan

Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.

We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.

I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.

I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
so don't be embarrassed at being honest.

Chris Woolf
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Nov 14 09:25:05 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:25:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <3D603B0D-4A57-4037-A9A7-EFDA4C4FC6B9@me.com>


> On 14 Nov 2022, at 14:37, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians

That?s an easy one to answer.  The young whippersnappers are those who are younger than me, while the old duffers are those who are older than me.

A similar rule applies to drinking: Heavy drinkers are those who drink more than me.

Then there is driving: People who drive faster than me are lunatics who should be banned and those driving slower should get out of the way and stay at home.

The main problem with those views is that the age view has been there since I was 25, the drinking one since I used to keep up with my colleagues and the driving one since I used to drive modified cars.

It?s almost as if I?m the only normal one, always have been and always will be.

Alan

From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 09:32:09 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:32:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <13c34c76-a96c-ea5d-c5ee-87c92b242a58@gmail.com>

I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That 
doesn't seem to have arrived either.

On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>
> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email 
> Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. 
> Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has 
> posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>
> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners 
> in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from 
> web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to 
> me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.
>
> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost 
> octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>
> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no 
> email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>
> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up 
> Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of 
> this ISP own goal syndrome?
>
> Dave Newbitt
>
> **
>
> *Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive*
>
> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work 
> is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the 
> address you?re currently using.
>
> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, 
> you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they 
> thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell 
> people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukwhile you?re still using 
> that existing email address.Both your domain name emails and your 
> normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice 
> people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to 
> update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still 
> receive it.
>
> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto 
> your new address.If at any time in the future you decide to change 
> ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the 
> new ISP instead.No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email 
> address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at 
> MyNewDomain.co.ukIt has become your permanent email address and will 
> not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>
> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have 
> pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. 
> Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of 
> any change.
>
> A domain name is pretty cheap.I pay for a ten year renewal each time 
> and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer 
> for just a few quid.
>
> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of 
> prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukor Her at 
> MyNewDomain.co.ukEmails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt 
> with in different ways.Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a 
> different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails 
> from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam 
> mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any 
> request from a company for my email address.If I got spam sent using 
> that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one 
> of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to 
> automatically delete it.
>
> Alan
>
> *Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.*
> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>
> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>
> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>
> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Nov 14 09:43:30 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:43:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <13c34c76-a96c-ea5d-c5ee-87c92b242a58@gmail.com>
References: <13c34c76-a96c-ea5d-c5ee-87c92b242a58@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0BAEE702-8836-40AF-A566-2EFB03196ECE@me.com>

I didn?t receive the Centrica email, but got all the ones mentioned previously.

Alan



> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
> 
> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>  
>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.
>>  
>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>  
>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>  
>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt
>>  
>> Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive
>>  
>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using. 
>>  
>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>  
>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>  
>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.
>>  
>> A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.
>>  
>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>  
>> Alan
>> Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.
>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>> 
>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>> 
>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>> 
>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Nov 14 09:54:53 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:54:53 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <3D603B0D-4A57-4037-A9A7-EFDA4C4FC6B9@me.com>
References: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<3D603B0D-4A57-4037-A9A7-EFDA4C4FC6B9@me.com>
Message-ID: <9930E018F48D4B99833D75D6E5C9CA8E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Sounds entirely reasonable to me.

Minor triumph Alan - this message arrived in my inbox where your original 
post didn't!

Dave N.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 3:25 PM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test


> On 14 Nov 2022, at 14:37, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost 
> octogenarians

That?s an easy one to answer.  The young whippersnappers are those who are 
younger than me, while the old duffers are those who are older than me.

A similar rule applies to drinking: Heavy drinkers are those who drink more 
than me.

Then there is driving: People who drive faster than me are lunatics who 
should be banned and those driving slower should get out of the way and stay 
at home.

The main problem with those views is that the age view has been there since 
I was 25, the drinking one since I used to keep up with my colleagues and 
the driving one since I used to drive modified cars.

It?s almost as if I?m the only normal one, always have been and always will 
be.

Alan
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Tech1 mailing list
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http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk 



From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 03:19:18 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 09:19:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <a4379c60-5206-0530-c01d-6291acd09177@ntlworld.com>
References: <AM9P191MB1604159BEEB07E365CE3C9B7A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<a4379c60-5206-0530-c01d-6291acd09177@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <07D4183A-A8E9-4524-97AC-CC3491BFBDC9@gmail.com>

I saw it Nick.
Geoff F


> On 14 Nov 2022, at 10:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I saw it
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/11/2022 08:41, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
>> N.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> 
> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 03:34:08 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 09:34:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <13c34c76-a96c-ea5d-c5ee-87c92b242a58@gmail.com>
References: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<13c34c76-a96c-ea5d-c5ee-87c92b242a58@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3C41282-DAD7-450B-971D-F4AAEC05DD4E@gmail.com>

I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems 
with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.

Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.

Geoff F

> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
> 
> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>  
>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.
>>  
>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>  
>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>  
>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt
>>  
>> Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive
>>  
>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using. 
>>  
>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <> while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>  
>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <>  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>  
>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.
>>  
>> A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.
>>  
>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <> or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk <>  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>  
>> Alan
>> Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.
>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>> 
>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>> 
>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>> 
>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 03:43:41 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 09:43:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <F3C41282-DAD7-450B-971D-F4AAEC05DD4E@gmail.com>
References: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<13c34c76-a96c-ea5d-c5ee-87c92b242a58@gmail.com>
	<F3C41282-DAD7-450B-971D-F4AAEC05DD4E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cbeab052-03f3-f5c7-e98e-ec782bcf8dea@gmail.com>

Don't think the problems are OS based, Geoff - more to to with your 
email provider, or the forum software. As I can use two different OS, 
and have the same problems with both.

On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - 
> buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV 
> provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and 
> have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the 
> rest. I have had hardly any problems
> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I 
> find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you 
> go. On the rare occassions I have had
> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by 
> comparison in every respect.
>
> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>
> Geoff F
>
>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. 
>> That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>
>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email 
>>> Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. 
>>> Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has 
>>> posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>>
>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front 
>>> runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to 
>>> equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also 
>>> received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from 
>>> Dick Green.
>>>
>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us 
>>> almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>
>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? 
>>> no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>
>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken 
>>> up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other 
>>> of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>
>>> Dave Newbitt
>>> **
>>> *Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive*
>>>
>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for 
>>> work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the 
>>> address you?re currently using.
>>>
>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email 
>>> address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what 
>>> they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can 
>>> tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukwhile you?re still 
>>> using that existing email address.Both your domain name emails and 
>>> your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you 
>>> notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind 
>>> them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you 
>>> still receive it.
>>>
>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto 
>>> your new address.If at any time in the future you decide to change 
>>> ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards 
>>> the new ISP instead.No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or 
>>> email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at 
>>> MyNewDomain.co.ukIt has become your permanent email address and will 
>>> not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>>
>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years 
>>> have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email 
>>> services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts 
>>> were aware of any change.
>>>
>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.I pay for a ten year renewal each time 
>>> and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer 
>>> for just a few quid.
>>>
>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of 
>>> prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukor Her at 
>>> MyNewDomain.co.ukEmails sent to those different prefixes can be 
>>> dealt with in different ways.Some can be sent to one ISP and another 
>>> to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal 
>>> emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing 
>>> on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix 
>>> for any request from a company for my email address.If I got spam 
>>> sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( 
>>> the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a 
>>> filter to automatically delete it.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> *Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.*
>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>
>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>
>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>
>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>> -- 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 04:02:10 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:02:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <F3C41282-DAD7-450B-971D-F4AAEC05DD4E@gmail.com>
References: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<13c34c76-a96c-ea5d-c5ee-87c92b242a58@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <35d1ba91-5ce7-8532-e1dc-0420d30a99e8@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse 
button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using 
them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty 
incomprehensible;}

Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed 
freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is 
mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past 
due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to 
accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the 
criticisms of the platform are long outdated.

Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes 
feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", 
"more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy 
a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple 
users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.

Chris Woolf



On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - 
> buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV 
> provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and 
> have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the 
> rest. I have had hardly any problems
> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I 
> find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you 
> go. On the rare occassions I have had
> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by 
> comparison in every respect.
>
> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>
> Geoff F
>
>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. 
>> That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>
>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email 
>>> Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. 
>>> Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has 
>>> posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>>
>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front 
>>> runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to 
>>> equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also 
>>> received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from 
>>> Dick Green.
>>>
>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us 
>>> almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>
>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? 
>>> no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>
>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken 
>>> up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other 
>>> of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>
>>> Dave Newbitt
>>> **
>>> *Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive*
>>>
>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for 
>>> work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the 
>>> address you?re currently using.
>>>
>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email 
>>> address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what 
>>> they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can 
>>> tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukwhile you?re still 
>>> using that existing email address.Both your domain name emails and 
>>> your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you 
>>> notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind 
>>> them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you 
>>> still receive it.
>>>
>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto 
>>> your new address.If at any time in the future you decide to change 
>>> ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards 
>>> the new ISP instead.No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or 
>>> email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at 
>>> MyNewDomain.co.ukIt has become your permanent email address and will 
>>> not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>>
>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years 
>>> have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email 
>>> services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts 
>>> were aware of any change.
>>>
>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.I pay for a ten year renewal each time 
>>> and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer 
>>> for just a few quid.
>>>
>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of 
>>> prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukor Her at 
>>> MyNewDomain.co.ukEmails sent to those different prefixes can be 
>>> dealt with in different ways.Some can be sent to one ISP and another 
>>> to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal 
>>> emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing 
>>> on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix 
>>> for any request from a company for my email address.If I got spam 
>>> sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( 
>>> the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a 
>>> filter to automatically delete it.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> *Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.*
>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>
>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>
>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>
>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 04:20:07 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:20:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
In-Reply-To: <07D4183A-A8E9-4524-97AC-CC3491BFBDC9@gmail.com>
References: <AM9P191MB1604159BEEB07E365CE3C9B7A7059@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<a4379c60-5206-0530-c01d-6291acd09177@ntlworld.com>
	<07D4183A-A8E9-4524-97AC-CC3491BFBDC9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604CEE73DC0138F74AC14C8A7049@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Thanks, Geoff. All sorted now. I finally convinced Microsoft that despite a change of email address (username) and 365 subscription payment method, I?m actually still the same person. And, surprise-surprise, not a BOT, but a real person. Well, I was when I last looked!

Sad times when filling out an application for a car insurance quote, it won?t deliver the quote until you have ticked an ?I am not a robot? box.
And, worrying times when you look out of the window and the rainwater is gushing OUT of the drains, forming a substantial river down the road, flooding people?s gardens (not ours, thankfully).
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2022, at 09:19, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I saw it Nick.
Geoff F


On 14 Nov 2022, at 10:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

I saw it

B



On 14/11/2022 08:41, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:

Test. Weird goings-on, prob my MSN mail server. (Or not?)
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad



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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Nov 15 04:25:01 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:25:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <35d1ba91-5ce7-8532-e1dc-0420d30a99e8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<13c34c76-a96c-ea5d-c5ee-87c92b242a58@gmail.com>
	<F3C41282-DAD7-450B-971D-F4AAEC05DD4E@gmail.com>
	<35d1ba91-5ce7-8532-e1dc-0420d30a99e8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <80B02ADF-9672-4328-9E40-473D32B7E7DC@mac.com>

Sorry Chris ~ having been a Mac user since 1984, when I used one of the tiny screened integrated models (can?t remember to model number) to plan for the World Cup in Mexico, including full audio and comms system drawings, I am unswayed! I confess I?ve never owned a windows PC, but used them extensively at TVC until I retired in 2000 and I found the difference then like chalk and cheese, so I?m died in the wool Mac, although I acknowledge the frustration that some applications aren?t available. That hasn?t mattered much to me, but I would probably take Hibou?s advice and buy a cheap PC for that specific purpose if there was a need. I?ve never bothered with Boot Camp or other PC emulations.

I am very aware that my son has to change his windows lap-top far more frequently than I do and I tore my hair out trying to sort my sister out with her PC ~ as a very non-tech individual, if she?d only listened to me and bought a Mac!

Mike G

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}
> 
> Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.
> 
> Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
>> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems 
>> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
>> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.
>> 
>> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>> 
>> Geoff F
>> 
>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>> 
>>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>>>  
>>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.
>>>>  
>>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>>  
>>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>>  
>>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>>  
>>>> Dave Newbitt
>>>>  
>>>> Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive
>>>>  
>>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using. 
>>>>  
>>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <> while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>>>  
>>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <>  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>>>  
>>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.
>>>>  
>>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.
>>>>  
>>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <> or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk <>  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>>>  
>>>> Alan
>>>> Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.
>>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
>>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
>>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>> 
>>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
>>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
>>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
>>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
>>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
>>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>> 
>>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
>>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
>>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
>>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk <http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 04:43:43 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:43:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <35d1ba91-5ce7-8532-e1dc-0420d30a99e8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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I tried be fair in my comment - it was only atongue in cheek  personal observation. However, your reply proves my point about the stupid Mac v Windows ?war? 
and how entrenched and  biased some Windows users can be.  I?ll have you know I?m not a b***** Mac acolyte and I don?t use Macs to "feel different"!! 

Did you not read my final sentence?

Geoff F


> On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}
> 
> Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.
> 
> Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
>> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems 
>> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
>> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.
>> 
>> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>> 
>> Geoff F
>> 
>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>> 
>>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>>>  
>>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.
>>>>  
>>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>>  
>>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>>  
>>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>>  
>>>> Dave Newbitt
>>>>  
>>>> Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive
>>>>  
>>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.  
>>>>  
>>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <> while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>>>  
>>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <>  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>>>  
>>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.
>>>>  
>>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.
>>>>  
>>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk <> or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk <>  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>>>  
>>>> Alan
>>>> Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.
>>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
>>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
>>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>> 
>>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
>>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
>>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
>>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
>>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
>>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>> 
>>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
>>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
>>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
>>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Nov 15 04:45:20 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:45:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
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You are out of date, the one-button mouse disappeared over a decade ago!

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}
> Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.
> Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s 
>> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems  
>> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
>> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.
>> 
>> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>> 
>> Geoff F
>> 
>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>>>   I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green. 
>>>>   Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)? 
>>>>   Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>>   I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>>   Dave Newbitt
>>>>   Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive
>>>>   My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.    The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>>>   After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>>>   I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.
>>>>   A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.
>>>>   The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>>>   Alan
>>>> Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.
>>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
>>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
>>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>> 
>>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
>>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
>>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
>>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
>>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
>>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>> 
>>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
>>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
>>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
>>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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>> 
>> 
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? 
Graeme Wall




From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Nov 15 05:04:21 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 11:04:21 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Update re my email blocking
Message-ID: <F0040CB4786545A5ACD3B770E19F3EEA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I think blow by blow examples of my difficulties have reached saturation point so no more of those. As of 1010 this morning I have received no feedback whatever from Firefly other than what I gleaned when I rang them 24 hrs. ago (confirming Spamshield as being the problem). I rang again at 1010 this morning to find a menu announcement obviously designed to stem the flow of complaints, basically advising that their engineers were working with their Spamshield partners to solve the problem, ?please bear with us?. I inferred from this they have not been able to return the system to a restore point while investigation proceeds.

I am currently, utilising LPA power I hold, in much email correspondence concerning my sister?s affairs. I am at a crucial phase of these with HMG regarding pensions, winter fuel payments etc and really could do without random blocking of incoming messages on such important and sensitive issues. The LPA only came through a week ago (from an application made on June 1st). 

For 8 months now my sister has either been in hospital or residential care and unable to deal with her own affairs ? indeed it soon became apparent she had not been managing her affairs for a year prior to that. Until now I have had to navigate, as best I have been able, the sale of her home (completed 14th Oct), the disposal/storage of her house contents (40 years hoarding on an unimaginable scale), the management of all income and expenditure, direct debits/standing orders for utilities, insurances, charities etc. all without benefit of LPA which, believe me, would try the patience of a saint. It has been commonplace to spend upwards of an hour on a telephone  because the fact I am next of kin, awaiting LPA and clearly not in any way standing to benefit by what I am trying to accomplish cuts no ice at all with the bulk of agents you talk to. Emails/letters often receive no response. In mid October, talking to Civil Service Pensions, I was told they were still opening their post from the beginning of September.

At the same time I have had to, of course, attend to her wellbeing, keep family, friends and former neighbours up to date and all while I have not exactly been in
the best of health myself, not to mention the stress of having the entire roof of the house (barring the rafters) replaced. 

The experience of attending to someone else?s affairs has focussed my mind very much on the two sides of current data protection, privacy protection and security procedures ? all well intentioned but more than capable of preventing good being done.

In the interests of my own sanity I indulge in a moan but not a rant!

Dave Newbitt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Nov 15 05:30:42 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 11:30:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
Message-ID: <72625FB3-DCC7-40E8-9D32-06E81865E3AF@me.com>

I?m all for technology which makes life easier. For a number of years I?ve been using automatically shared lists to handle tasks such as shopping lists or plugging sheets on location.  Any changes are reflected immediately on other linked devices so the information is always current.  The particular solution I used was an Apple specific one, but many of you might be interested in the shopping list solution I now use, which works on all platforms. Obviously it needs some sort of portable device for when you are shopping. There are versions of the app for Android, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch.

I use an app called OurGroceries, which you can download from the Apple or Android App stores.  You can link multiple devices to one shared account ( it?s all free, but there are small adverts at the top of the screen - you can pay to remove them if preferred ). You can set up lists for different shops, so that if you visit Tesco, Waitrose and Aldi, you can put items in the appropriate list.  

Adding stuff can be done from any device, anywhere, at any time, in several ways. If you start typing ?ba?, it will offer selections including bananas, bacon, bagels and baked beans.  You can click on one, or keep typing to narrow down the options, or keep going to specify something unusual. Items are then  automatically listed in categories; bananas will appear in Produce, bacon in Meats, bagels in Bakery and baked beans in Tinned Food.  

You can re-order the way that categories appear in your list so that it reflects the order you find them in your shop ( unfortunately that order applies to all lists, you can?t currently have the Tesco list in a different order to the Aldi list ). You can also specify that certain items should in future be in a different category. For instance, water chestnuts listed under World Foods rather than Tinned Food. Subsequent purchases will then be listed accordingly. Some people rename the categories as Aisle 1, Aisle 2 etc to suit their shop layout.

You can also add things with voice commands via Siri or Alexa, which is handy if you?re in the kitchen with mucky hands and have just used the last of something. There is also an option to add things by scanning the barcode on the packet - I haven?t tried that yet. Items can also be added in bulk from recipes and lists can be exported as data files. 

Your list is synced across all devices and can be accessed via a browser too. There are various options to aid with accessibility as well, but the specifics depend on the platform you?re using.

As you walk around the shop, you tap on whatever you take off the shelf and it disappears from your list and the linked ones too. If you?re in a shop and mark that you?ve got the beer,  it will vanish from your partner?s list who might still be choosing a greetings card. It can be set to temporarily over-ride the screensaver so that your screen stays on as you walk around the shop.

I?m very impressed with it and reckon it?s well worth looking at for those who physically visit shops rather than have groceries delivered.

Do any of you use comparable well thought out technologies which make life easier?

Alan

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 06:28:04 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 12:28:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <F3C41282-DAD7-450B-971D-F4AAEC05DD4E@gmail.com>
References: <530EDEC872984E0F8F4DA5AC01DF9C84@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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"I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users"

I think the heresy bit is twenty years out of date now.? Why do people 
default to Windows?? Cost, ease of use, availability of software. I 
owned a Mac G4 for several years when it was current so that I could run 
Final Cut Pro. When the G4 got a bit dated I built a Hackintosh - a 
standard PC running MacOS. Then Apple decided in their wisdom to EOL 
FCP.? Thank you Apple - you got rid of the best editing system, much 
used in Hollywood. We all moved to Premiere Pro, and then Da Vinci Resolve.

Windows 10 especially is an excellent operating system, straightforward, 
flexible,and running a huge amount of software. Definitely no return to 
Apple for me.

B



On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - 
> buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV 
> provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and 
> have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the 
> rest. I have had hardly any problems
> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I 
> find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you 
> go. On the rare occassions I have had
> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by 
> comparison in every respect.
>
> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>
> Geoff F
>
>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. 
>> That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>
>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email 
>>> Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. 
>>> Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has 
>>> posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>>
>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front 
>>> runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to 
>>> equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also 
>>> received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from 
>>> Dick Green.
>>>
>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us 
>>> almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>
>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? 
>>> no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>
>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken 
>>> up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other 
>>> of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>
>>> Dave Newbitt
>>> **
>>> *Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive*
>>>
>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for 
>>> work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the 
>>> address you?re currently using.
>>>
>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email 
>>> address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what 
>>> they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can 
>>> tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukwhile you?re still 
>>> using that existing email address.Both your domain name emails and 
>>> your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you 
>>> notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind 
>>> them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you 
>>> still receive it.
>>>
>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto 
>>> your new address.If at any time in the future you decide to change 
>>> ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards 
>>> the new ISP instead.No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or 
>>> email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at 
>>> MyNewDomain.co.ukIt has become your permanent email address and will 
>>> not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>>
>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years 
>>> have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email 
>>> services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts 
>>> were aware of any change.
>>>
>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.I pay for a ten year renewal each time 
>>> and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer 
>>> for just a few quid.
>>>
>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of 
>>> prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukor Her at 
>>> MyNewDomain.co.ukEmails sent to those different prefixes can be 
>>> dealt with in different ways.Some can be sent to one ISP and another 
>>> to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal 
>>> emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing 
>>> on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix 
>>> for any request from a company for my email address.If I got spam 
>>> sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( 
>>> the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a 
>>> filter to automatically delete it.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> *Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.*
>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>
>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>
>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>
>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 06:37:37 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 12:37:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
In-Reply-To: <72625FB3-DCC7-40E8-9D32-06E81865E3AF@me.com>
References: <72625FB3-DCC7-40E8-9D32-06E81865E3AF@me.com>
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We have a marvellous piece of aide-m?moire technology for shopping. My lovely wife sends me off to M&S, the Co-op and/or the village farmers? market on a regular basis while she?s tucked away in her ?home office? working from home. The trouble with M&S and the Co-op is that they keep their staff up all night moving stuff around, so you never find things where you thought they were. The above mentioned aide-m?moire is pretty effective, though, and in its modest way, very environmentally friendly. You may have come across it - it?s called pencil and paper!
Cheers, Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m all for technology which makes life easier. For a number of years I?ve been using automatically shared lists to handle tasks such as shopping lists or plugging sheets on location.  Any changes are reflected immediately on other linked devices so the information is always current.  The particular solution I used was an Apple specific one, but many of you might be interested in the shopping list solution I now use, which works on all platforms. Obviously it needs some sort of portable device for when you are shopping. There are versions of the app for Android, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch.
> 
> I use an app called OurGroceries, which you can download from the Apple or Android App stores.  You can link multiple devices to one shared account ( it?s all free, but there are small adverts at the top of the screen - you can pay to remove them if preferred ). You can set up lists for different shops, so that if you visit Tesco, Waitrose and Aldi, you can put items in the appropriate list.  
> 
> Adding stuff can be done from any device, anywhere, at any time, in several ways. If you start typing ?ba?, it will offer selections including bananas, bacon, bagels and baked beans.  You can click on one, or keep typing to narrow down the options, or keep going to specify something unusual. Items are then  automatically listed in categories; bananas will appear in Produce, bacon in Meats, bagels in Bakery and baked beans in Tinned Food.  
> 
> You can re-order the way that categories appear in your list so that it reflects the order you find them in your shop ( unfortunately that order applies to all lists, you can?t currently have the Tesco list in a different order to the Aldi list ). You can also specify that certain items should in future be in a different category. For instance, water chestnuts listed under World Foods rather than Tinned Food. Subsequent purchases will then be listed accordingly. Some people rename the categories as Aisle 1, Aisle 2 etc to suit their shop layout.
> 
> You can also add things with voice commands via Siri or Alexa, which is handy if you?re in the kitchen with mucky hands and have just used the last of something. There is also an option to add things by scanning the barcode on the packet - I haven?t tried that yet. Items can also be added in bulk from recipes and lists can be exported as data files. 
> 
> Your list is synced across all devices and can be accessed via a browser too. There are various options to aid with accessibility as well, but the specifics depend on the platform you?re using.
> 
> As you walk around the shop, you tap on whatever you take off the shelf and it disappears from your list and the linked ones too. If you?re in a shop and mark that you?ve got the beer,  it will vanish from your partner?s list who might still be choosing a greetings card. It can be set to temporarily over-ride the screensaver so that your screen stays on as you walk around the shop.
> 
> I?m very impressed with it and reckon it?s well worth looking at for those who physically visit shops rather than have groceries delivered.
> 
> Do any of you use comparable well thought out technologies which make life easier?
> 
> Alan
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Nov 15 06:47:28 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 12:47:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB160410BF0C1E24013A8E90A3A7049@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <72625FB3-DCC7-40E8-9D32-06E81865E3AF@me.com>
	<AM9P191MB160410BF0C1E24013A8E90A3A7049@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <0809F257-D40C-4E81-BF80-9B4E8EEA706F@icloud.com>

For some reason that reminds me of the, probably apocryphal, story about the Americans spending millions of dollars developing a pen that could write in zero gravity. The Russians used a pencil.

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 12:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We have a marvellous piece of aide-m?moire technology for shopping. My lovely wife sends me off to M&S, the Co-op and/or the village farmers? market on a regular basis while she?s tucked away in her ?home office? working from home. The trouble with M&S and the Co-op is that they keep their staff up all night moving stuff around, so you never find things where you thought they were. The above mentioned aide-m?moire is pretty effective, though, and in its modest way, very environmentally friendly. You may have come across it - it?s called pencil and paper!
> Cheers, Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m all for technology which makes life easier. For a number of years I?ve been using automatically shared lists to handle tasks such as shopping lists or plugging sheets on location.  Any changes are reflected immediately on other linked devices so the information is always current.  The particular solution I used was an Apple specific one, but many of you might be interested in the shopping list solution I now use, which works on all platforms. Obviously it needs some sort of portable device for when you are shopping. There are versions of the app for Android, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch.
>> 
>> I use an app called OurGroceries, which you can download from the Apple or Android App stores.  You can link multiple devices to one shared account ( it?s all free, but there are small adverts at the top of the screen - you can pay to remove them if preferred ). You can set up lists for different shops, so that if you visit Tesco, Waitrose and Aldi, you can put items in the appropriate list.  
>> 
>> Adding stuff can be done from any device, anywhere, at any time, in several ways. If you start typing ?ba?, it will offer selections including bananas, bacon, bagels and baked beans.  You can click on one, or keep typing to narrow down the options, or keep going to specify something unusual. Items are then  automatically listed in categories; bananas will appear in Produce, bacon in Meats, bagels in Bakery and baked beans in Tinned Food.  
>> 
>> You can re-order the way that categories appear in your list so that it reflects the order you find them in your shop ( unfortunately that order applies to all lists, you can?t currently have the Tesco list in a different order to the Aldi list ). You can also specify that certain items should in future be in a different category. For instance, water chestnuts listed under World Foods rather than Tinned Food. Subsequent purchases will then be listed accordingly. Some people rename the categories as Aisle 1, Aisle 2 etc to suit their shop layout.
>> 
>> You can also add things with voice commands via Siri or Alexa, which is handy if you?re in the kitchen with mucky hands and have just used the last of something. There is also an option to add things by scanning the barcode on the packet - I haven?t tried that yet. Items can also be added in bulk from recipes and lists can be exported as data files. 
>> 
>> Your list is synced across all devices and can be accessed via a browser too. There are various options to aid with accessibility as well, but the specifics depend on the platform you?re using.
>> 
>> As you walk around the shop, you tap on whatever you take off the shelf and it disappears from your list and the linked ones too. If you?re in a shop and mark that you?ve got the beer,  it will vanish from your partner?s list who might still be choosing a greetings card. It can be set to temporarily over-ride the screensaver so that your screen stays on as you walk around the shop.
>> 
>> I?m very impressed with it and reckon it?s well worth looking at for those who physically visit shops rather than have groceries delivered.
>> 
>> Do any of you use comparable well thought out technologies which make life easier?
>> 
>> Alan
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? 
Graeme Wall




From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 07:10:21 2022
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:10:21 +0000
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Nov 15 07:15:59 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:15:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
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But Nick, you didn?t need to bother sending that message as an email. A postcard would have been fine.

Alan

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 12:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?We have a marvellous piece of aide-m?moire technology for shopping. My lovely wife sends me off to M&S, the Co-op and/or the village farmers? market on a regular basis while she?s tucked away in her ?home office? working from home. The trouble with M&S and the Co-op is that they keep their staff up all night moving stuff around, so you never find things where you thought they were. The above mentioned aide-m?moire is pretty effective, though, and in its modest way, very environmentally friendly. You may have come across it - it?s called pencil and paper!
> Cheers, Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m all for technology which makes life easier. For a number of years I?ve been using automatically shared lists to handle tasks such as shopping lists or plugging sheets on location.  Any changes are reflected immediately on other linked devices so the information is always current.  The particular solution I used was an Apple specific one, but many of you might be interested in the shopping list solution I now use, which works on all platforms. Obviously it needs some sort of portable device for when you are shopping. There are versions of the app for Android, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch.
>> 
>> I use an app called OurGroceries, which you can download from the Apple or Android App stores.  You can link multiple devices to one shared account ( it?s all free, but there are small adverts at the top of the screen - you can pay to remove them if preferred ). You can set up lists for different shops, so that if you visit Tesco, Waitrose and Aldi, you can put items in the appropriate list.  
>> 
>> Adding stuff can be done from any device, anywhere, at any time, in several ways. If you start typing ?ba?, it will offer selections including bananas, bacon, bagels and baked beans.  You can click on one, or keep typing to narrow down the options, or keep going to specify something unusual. Items are then  automatically listed in categories; bananas will appear in Produce, bacon in Meats, bagels in Bakery and baked beans in Tinned Food.  
>> 
>> You can re-order the way that categories appear in your list so that it reflects the order you find them in your shop ( unfortunately that order applies to all lists, you can?t currently have the Tesco list in a different order to the Aldi list ). You can also specify that certain items should in future be in a different category. For instance, water chestnuts listed under World Foods rather than Tinned Food. Subsequent purchases will then be listed accordingly. Some people rename the categories as Aisle 1, Aisle 2 etc to suit their shop layout.
>> 
>> You can also add things with voice commands via Siri or Alexa, which is handy if you?re in the kitchen with mucky hands and have just used the last of something. There is also an option to add things by scanning the barcode on the packet - I haven?t tried that yet. Items can also be added in bulk from recipes and lists can be exported as data files. 
>> 
>> Your list is synced across all devices and can be accessed via a browser too. There are various options to aid with accessibility as well, but the specifics depend on the platform you?re using.
>> 
>> As you walk around the shop, you tap on whatever you take off the shelf and it disappears from your list and the linked ones too. If you?re in a shop and mark that you?ve got the beer,  it will vanish from your partner?s list who might still be choosing a greetings card. It can be set to temporarily over-ride the screensaver so that your screen stays on as you walk around the shop.
>> 
>> I?m very impressed with it and reckon it?s well worth looking at for those who physically visit shops rather than have groceries delivered.
>> 
>> Do any of you use comparable well thought out technologies which make life easier?
>> 
>> Alan
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 07:17:17 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:17:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
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Nick,
Old technologies are sometimes the best and I?m with you on the handwritten lists as long as I remember to do them. Countless times I?ve popped down to street after a glance round the cupboard, confident I?d remember what I went for, then coming home without half of it.
Just for fun you might ?accidentally? drop one of your lists while there for the benefit of those who like to collect them, ?
Geoff Hawkes

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 12:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?We have a marvellous piece of aide-m?moire technology for shopping. My lovely wife sends me off to M&S, the Co-op and/or the village farmers? market on a regular basis while she?s tucked away in her ?home office? working from home. The trouble with M&S and the Co-op is that they keep their staff up all night moving stuff around, so you never find things where you thought they were. The above mentioned aide-m?moire is pretty effective, though, and in its modest way, very environmentally friendly. You may have come across it - it?s called pencil and paper!
> Cheers, Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m all for technology which makes life easier. For a number of years I?ve been using automatically shared lists to handle tasks such as shopping lists or plugging sheets on location.  Any changes are reflected immediately on other linked devices so the information is always current.  The particular solution I used was an Apple specific one, but many of you might be interested in the shopping list solution I now use, which works on all platforms. Obviously it needs some sort of portable device for when you are shopping. There are versions of the app for Android, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch.
>> 
>> I use an app called OurGroceries, which you can download from the Apple or Android App stores.  You can link multiple devices to one shared account ( it?s all free, but there are small adverts at the top of the screen - you can pay to remove them if preferred ). You can set up lists for different shops, so that if you visit Tesco, Waitrose and Aldi, you can put items in the appropriate list.  
>> 
>> Adding stuff can be done from any device, anywhere, at any time, in several ways. If you start typing ?ba?, it will offer selections including bananas, bacon, bagels and baked beans.  You can click on one, or keep typing to narrow down the options, or keep going to specify something unusual. Items are then  automatically listed in categories; bananas will appear in Produce, bacon in Meats, bagels in Bakery and baked beans in Tinned Food.  
>> 
>> You can re-order the way that categories appear in your list so that it reflects the order you find them in your shop ( unfortunately that order applies to all lists, you can?t currently have the Tesco list in a different order to the Aldi list ). You can also specify that certain items should in future be in a different category. For instance, water chestnuts listed under World Foods rather than Tinned Food. Subsequent purchases will then be listed accordingly. Some people rename the categories as Aisle 1, Aisle 2 etc to suit their shop layout.
>> 
>> You can also add things with voice commands via Siri or Alexa, which is handy if you?re in the kitchen with mucky hands and have just used the last of something. There is also an option to add things by scanning the barcode on the packet - I haven?t tried that yet. Items can also be added in bulk from recipes and lists can be exported as data files. 
>> 
>> Your list is synced across all devices and can be accessed via a browser too. There are various options to aid with accessibility as well, but the specifics depend on the platform you?re using.
>> 
>> As you walk around the shop, you tap on whatever you take off the shelf and it disappears from your list and the linked ones too. If you?re in a shop and mark that you?ve got the beer,  it will vanish from your partner?s list who might still be choosing a greetings card. It can be set to temporarily over-ride the screensaver so that your screen stays on as you walk around the shop.
>> 
>> I?m very impressed with it and reckon it?s well worth looking at for those who physically visit shops rather than have groceries delivered.
>> 
>> Do any of you use comparable well thought out technologies which make life easier?
>> 
>> Alan
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 08:17:01 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 14:17:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
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I?ll put some postcards on my shopping list for when I?m next in the village. Now the only snag is, why can you never find a pencil when you want one?
Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?But Nick, you didn?t need to bother sending that message as an email. A postcard would have been fine.
> 
> Alan
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 12:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?We have a marvellous piece of aide-m?moire technology for shopping. My lovely wife sends me off to M&S, the Co-op and/or the village farmers? market on a regular basis while she?s tucked away in her ?home office? working from home. The trouble with M&S and the Co-op is that they keep their staff up all night moving stuff around, so you never find things where you thought they were. The above mentioned aide-m?moire is pretty effective, though, and in its modest way, very environmentally friendly. You may have come across it - it?s called pencil and paper!
>> Cheers, Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I?m all for technology which makes life easier. For a number of years I?ve been using automatically shared lists to handle tasks such as shopping lists or plugging sheets on location.  Any changes are reflected immediately on other linked devices so the information is always current.  The particular solution I used was an Apple specific one, but many of you might be interested in the shopping list solution I now use, which works on all platforms. Obviously it needs some sort of portable device for when you are shopping. There are versions of the app for Android, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch.
>>> 
>>> I use an app called OurGroceries, which you can download from the Apple or Android App stores.  You can link multiple devices to one shared account ( it?s all free, but there are small adverts at the top of the screen - you can pay to remove them if preferred ). You can set up lists for different shops, so that if you visit Tesco, Waitrose and Aldi, you can put items in the appropriate list.  
>>> 
>>> Adding stuff can be done from any device, anywhere, at any time, in several ways. If you start typing ?ba?, it will offer selections including bananas, bacon, bagels and baked beans.  You can click on one, or keep typing to narrow down the options, or keep going to specify something unusual. Items are then  automatically listed in categories; bananas will appear in Produce, bacon in Meats, bagels in Bakery and baked beans in Tinned Food.  
>>> 
>>> You can re-order the way that categories appear in your list so that it reflects the order you find them in your shop ( unfortunately that order applies to all lists, you can?t currently have the Tesco list in a different order to the Aldi list ). You can also specify that certain items should in future be in a different category. For instance, water chestnuts listed under World Foods rather than Tinned Food. Subsequent purchases will then be listed accordingly. Some people rename the categories as Aisle 1, Aisle 2 etc to suit their shop layout.
>>> 
>>> You can also add things with voice commands via Siri or Alexa, which is handy if you?re in the kitchen with mucky hands and have just used the last of something. There is also an option to add things by scanning the barcode on the packet - I haven?t tried that yet. Items can also be added in bulk from recipes and lists can be exported as data files. 
>>> 
>>> Your list is synced across all devices and can be accessed via a browser too. There are various options to aid with accessibility as well, but the specifics depend on the platform you?re using.
>>> 
>>> As you walk around the shop, you tap on whatever you take off the shelf and it disappears from your list and the linked ones too. If you?re in a shop and mark that you?ve got the beer,  it will vanish from your partner?s list who might still be choosing a greetings card. It can be set to temporarily over-ride the screensaver so that your screen stays on as you walk around the shop.
>>> 
>>> I?m very impressed with it and reckon it?s well worth looking at for those who physically visit shops rather than have groceries delivered.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you use comparable well thought out technologies which make life easier?
>>> 
>>> Alan
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Nov 15 09:01:19 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:01:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
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I'm sure this is a deliberate sales policy, so that shoppers are forced 
into possibly buying something that they wouldn't
have come across in their normal shop navigation.

Similarly the psychological trick of putting confectionery at child 
eyeball height by the check outs:
leads to "Mummy, can I have...." or more likely, these days: "I want...."

Alan's discourse on handheld shopping aids leads me to reminisce about 
grocery shopping when I was little.

Around the corner from where we lived, was a corner, family-run grocery 
store, whose proprietor knew all his customers by name
and personallyserved each in turn. Took time of course, and sliced meats 
needed individual operation.
Supermarkets sprang up to serve an increasing population, very quickly, 
with self-service, this became a time saving chore,
but what does our 'busy' lifestyle need extra time for?

This little grocer used to render dry goods, sugar, rice etc in a cone 
of blue paper, so you could have as much or little as you wanted.
no pre-packed weights forced upon you. And there was always a big tin of 
broken biscuits to rummage in, sold by weight.
I was delighted to discover a store in a small town north of Toronto, 
which practiced this system, even liquids such as cooking oil
and syrup could be decanted into a plastic pot with a tight fitting lid.

Pat H

On 15/11/2022 12:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>   The trouble with M&S and the Co-op is that they keep their staff up all night moving stuff around, so you never find things where you thought they were.
> Cheers, Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
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From tuckergarth at me.com  Tue Nov 15 09:02:28 2022
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:02:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Emails
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We run on Apple in our household, all four of us, and have very few problems (fingers crossed).

Garth

From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Tue Nov 15 09:07:39 2022
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:07:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
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As we do not have any large supermarkets closer than a twenty minute drive from our house we use 90% of the time Tesco home delivery. Other delivery services are available!
It takes about fifteen minutes in the comfort of our settee to construct the order on an iPad , helped by having Tesco lists of previous orders. If you order more than ?40 then delivery is more or less free and certainly cheaper than the fuel we would use to get there and back. It usually takes five minutes to pack away the stuff when it arrives as the driver puts the boxes on our kitchen table. OK ,so it means getting everything from one place but as our orders are usually very similar we do not really miss popping into M+S , as that is not near any of our supermarkets and their car park is usually full. 
This system is topped up by the short trip to a local small shop if we forget anything , but 90% of the time the once a week order is all we need.
It also avoids mixing with Covid laden peasants in the supermarket and trying to find that special item that they keep moving around in the aisles . They are also very good at taking stuff away that you don?t like or not charging for a leaking milk bottle, which we are allowed to keep.
The lazy shopper.

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 14:17, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ll put some postcards on my shopping list for when I?m next in the village. Now the only snag is, why can you never find a pencil when you want one?
> Cheers, N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?But Nick, you didn?t need to bother sending that message as an email. A postcard would have been fine.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 12:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?We have a marvellous piece of aide-m?moire technology for shopping. My lovely wife sends me off to M&S, the Co-op and/or the village farmers? market on a regular basis while she?s tucked away in her ?home office? working from home. The trouble with M&S and the Co-op is that they keep their staff up all night moving stuff around, so you never find things where you thought they were. The above mentioned aide-m?moire is pretty effective, though, and in its modest way, very environmentally friendly. You may have come across it - it?s called pencil and paper!
>>> Cheers, Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I?m all for technology which makes life easier. For a number of years I?ve been using automatically shared lists to handle tasks such as shopping lists or plugging sheets on location.  Any changes are reflected immediately on other linked devices so the information is always current.  The particular solution I used was an Apple specific one, but many of you might be interested in the shopping list solution I now use, which works on all platforms. Obviously it needs some sort of portable device for when you are shopping. There are versions of the app for Android, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch.
>>>> 
>>>> I use an app called OurGroceries, which you can download from the Apple or Android App stores.  You can link multiple devices to one shared account ( it?s all free, but there are small adverts at the top of the screen - you can pay to remove them if preferred ). You can set up lists for different shops, so that if you visit Tesco, Waitrose and Aldi, you can put items in the appropriate list.  
>>>> 
>>>> Adding stuff can be done from any device, anywhere, at any time, in several ways. If you start typing ?ba?, it will offer selections including bananas, bacon, bagels and baked beans.  You can click on one, or keep typing to narrow down the options, or keep going to specify something unusual. Items are then  automatically listed in categories; bananas will appear in Produce, bacon in Meats, bagels in Bakery and baked beans in Tinned Food.  
>>>> 
>>>> You can re-order the way that categories appear in your list so that it reflects the order you find them in your shop ( unfortunately that order applies to all lists, you can?t currently have the Tesco list in a different order to the Aldi list ). You can also specify that certain items should in future be in a different category. For instance, water chestnuts listed under World Foods rather than Tinned Food. Subsequent purchases will then be listed accordingly. Some people rename the categories as Aisle 1, Aisle 2 etc to suit their shop layout.
>>>> 
>>>> You can also add things with voice commands via Siri or Alexa, which is handy if you?re in the kitchen with mucky hands and have just used the last of something. There is also an option to add things by scanning the barcode on the packet - I haven?t tried that yet. Items can also be added in bulk from recipes and lists can be exported as data files. 
>>>> 
>>>> Your list is synced across all devices and can be accessed via a browser too. There are various options to aid with accessibility as well, but the specifics depend on the platform you?re using.
>>>> 
>>>> As you walk around the shop, you tap on whatever you take off the shelf and it disappears from your list and the linked ones too. If you?re in a shop and mark that you?ve got the beer,  it will vanish from your partner?s list who might still be choosing a greetings card. It can be set to temporarily over-ride the screensaver so that your screen stays on as you walk around the shop.
>>>> 
>>>> I?m very impressed with it and reckon it?s well worth looking at for those who physically visit shops rather than have groceries delivered.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you use comparable well thought out technologies which make life easier?
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
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>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 09:13:03 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:13:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Making technology work for you
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We have a superb traditional handyman shop here in Cranleigh. I went in recently wanting a radiator bleed key. He popped two into a paper bag, and when I said I only needed one, he replied: ?We only sell them in two?s - one to use and one to lose.? The next time I went in was for a pair of scissors. He remembered our previous encounter and said: ?Don?t tell me, you don?t want a pair, you only want one.? I countered with: ?well it?s hard to lose one half without losing the other half.?
So, you guessed it: I came out with two pairs of scissors. As with the keys, two for the price of one. Village life has a lot to offer, but only time will tell how far I can push his one to use and one to lose generosity!
Cheers, Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 14:17, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ll put some postcards on my shopping list for when I?m next in the village. Now the only snag is, why can you never find a pencil when you want one?
> Cheers, N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?But Nick, you didn?t need to bother sending that message as an email. A postcard would have been fine.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 12:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?We have a marvellous piece of aide-m?moire technology for shopping. My lovely wife sends me off to M&S, the Co-op and/or the village farmers? market on a regular basis while she?s tucked away in her ?home office? working from home. The trouble with M&S and the Co-op is that they keep their staff up all night moving stuff around, so you never find things where you thought they were. The above mentioned aide-m?moire is pretty effective, though, and in its modest way, very environmentally friendly. You may have come across it - it?s called pencil and paper!
>>> Cheers, Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 11:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I?m all for technology which makes life easier. For a number of years I?ve been using automatically shared lists to handle tasks such as shopping lists or plugging sheets on location.  Any changes are reflected immediately on other linked devices so the information is always current.  The particular solution I used was an Apple specific one, but many of you might be interested in the shopping list solution I now use, which works on all platforms. Obviously it needs some sort of portable device for when you are shopping. There are versions of the app for Android, iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch.
>>>> 
>>>> I use an app called OurGroceries, which you can download from the Apple or Android App stores.  You can link multiple devices to one shared account ( it?s all free, but there are small adverts at the top of the screen - you can pay to remove them if preferred ). You can set up lists for different shops, so that if you visit Tesco, Waitrose and Aldi, you can put items in the appropriate list.  
>>>> 
>>>> Adding stuff can be done from any device, anywhere, at any time, in several ways. If you start typing ?ba?, it will offer selections including bananas, bacon, bagels and baked beans.  You can click on one, or keep typing to narrow down the options, or keep going to specify something unusual. Items are then  automatically listed in categories; bananas will appear in Produce, bacon in Meats, bagels in Bakery and baked beans in Tinned Food.  
>>>> 
>>>> You can re-order the way that categories appear in your list so that it reflects the order you find them in your shop ( unfortunately that order applies to all lists, you can?t currently have the Tesco list in a different order to the Aldi list ). You can also specify that certain items should in future be in a different category. For instance, water chestnuts listed under World Foods rather than Tinned Food. Subsequent purchases will then be listed accordingly. Some people rename the categories as Aisle 1, Aisle 2 etc to suit their shop layout.
>>>> 
>>>> You can also add things with voice commands via Siri or Alexa, which is handy if you?re in the kitchen with mucky hands and have just used the last of something. There is also an option to add things by scanning the barcode on the packet - I haven?t tried that yet. Items can also be added in bulk from recipes and lists can be exported as data files. 
>>>> 
>>>> Your list is synced across all devices and can be accessed via a browser too. There are various options to aid with accessibility as well, but the specifics depend on the platform you?re using.
>>>> 
>>>> As you walk around the shop, you tap on whatever you take off the shelf and it disappears from your list and the linked ones too. If you?re in a shop and mark that you?ve got the beer,  it will vanish from your partner?s list who might still be choosing a greetings card. It can be set to temporarily over-ride the screensaver so that your screen stays on as you walk around the shop.
>>>> 
>>>> I?m very impressed with it and reckon it?s well worth looking at for those who physically visit shops rather than have groceries delivered.
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of you use comparable well thought out technologies which make life easier?
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 09:49:30 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:49:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Emails
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Hi Garth,

My son in law and younger daughter are both professional writers and swear by Apple/Mac hardware. My elder daughter works as a scene of crime investigator and her office is Apple/Mac based.
My wife uses Apple /Mac. Like you - very few problems. I seem to have stirred up a bit of trouble for myself making a personal observation. I wonder why Windows users are so defensive?
Hope you are keeping well.

Geoff F

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 15:02, Garth Tucker via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We run on Apple in our household, all four of us, and have very few problems (fingers crossed).
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 10:51:03 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 16:51:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test
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I bought a new laptop as the old one had died.? It has W11. It's sort of 
like W10 with unnecessary irritations. Why on earth would you want to 
move the start button, there since W95, or the stop button.

If you don't have to have it, don't get it. I think it exists because of 
internal Microsoft politics.

B

On 15/11/2022 13:10, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> As Windows user, thanks for that affirmation Bernie.
> What does the panel think of Windows 11? Previous opinion was 
> generally thumbs down, does anyone have a favourable report?
> Geoff
> PS I?m sending this To Bernie, with Cc to Tech1 as part of the test 
> for those having difficulties receiving copies of mailings
>
>
>
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 12:28, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? "I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users"
>>
>> I think the heresy bit is twenty years out of date now.? Why do 
>> people default to Windows?? Cost, ease of use, availability of 
>> software. I owned a Mac G4 for several years when it was current so 
>> that I could run Final Cut Pro. When the G4 got a bit dated I built a 
>> Hackintosh - a standard PC running MacOS. Then Apple decided in their 
>> wisdom to EOL FCP.? Thank you Apple - you got rid of the best editing 
>> system, much used in Hollywood. We all moved to Premiere Pro, and 
>> then Da Vinci Resolve.
>>
>> Windows 10 especially is an excellent operating system, 
>> straightforward, flexible,and running a huge amount of software. 
>> Definitely no return to Apple for me.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - 
>>> buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV 
>>> provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
>>> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser 
>>> and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL 
>>> for the rest. I have had hardly any problems
>>> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I 
>>> find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away 
>>> you go. On the rare occassions I have had
>>> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by 
>>> comparison in every respect.
>>>
>>> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>>>
>>> Geoff F
>>>
>>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. 
>>>> That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>>>
>>>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email 
>>>>> Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this 
>>>>> one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who 
>>>>> has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third 
>>>>> failing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front 
>>>>> runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to 
>>>>> equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also 
>>>>> received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded 
>>>>> from Dick Green.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us 
>>>>> almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? 
>>>>> no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have 
>>>>> taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant 
>>>>> or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Newbitt
>>>>> **
>>>>> *Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive*
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for 
>>>>> work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to 
>>>>> the address you?re currently using.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email 
>>>>> address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on 
>>>>> what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you 
>>>>> can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukwhile you?re 
>>>>> still using that existing email address.Both your domain name 
>>>>> emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing 
>>>>> address. When you notice people sending emails to your old 
>>>>> address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever 
>>>>> one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>>>>
>>>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody 
>>>>> onto your new address.If at any time in the future you decide to 
>>>>> change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email 
>>>>> towards the new ISP instead.No need to tell anybody about a change 
>>>>> of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails 
>>>>> to Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukIt has become your permanent email 
>>>>> address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the 
>>>>> future.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years 
>>>>> have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email 
>>>>> services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts 
>>>>> were aware of any change.
>>>>>
>>>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.I pay for a ten year renewal each 
>>>>> time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you 
>>>>> prefer for just a few quid.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of 
>>>>> prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukor Her at 
>>>>> MyNewDomain.co.ukEmails sent to those different prefixes can be 
>>>>> dealt with in different ways.Some can be sent to one ISP and 
>>>>> another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like 
>>>>> personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when 
>>>>> appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a 
>>>>> unique prefix for any request from a company for my email 
>>>>> address.If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had 
>>>>> leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught 
>>>>> in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> *Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.*
>>>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
>>>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
>>>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
>>>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
>>>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
>>>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
>>>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
>>>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
>>>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
>>>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
>>>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 11:58:32 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 17:58:32 +0000
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M'dear, I was only putting the alternative platforms side of things in 
the same vein as thee. Each indeed to their own.

I was merely responding to the suggestion that Apple path was somehow 
trouble-free compared to Windows - if only....

Chris Woolf


On 15/11/2022 10:43, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
> I tried be fair in my comment - it was only atongue in cheek ?personal 
> observation. However, your reply proves my point about the stupid Mac 
> v Windows ?war?
> and how entrenched and ?biased some Windows users can be. ?I?ll have 
> you know I?m not a b***** Mac acolyte and I don?t use Macs to "feel 
> different"!!
>
> Did you not read my final sentence?
>
> Geoff F
>
>
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited 
>> mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start 
>> using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, 
>> are pretty incomprehensible;}
>>
>> Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their 
>> supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but 
>> sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater 
>> problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, 
>> and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment 
>> and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.
>>
>> Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its 
>> acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more 
>> reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, 
>> Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which 
>> sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior 
>> about the platforms.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - 
>>> buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV 
>>> provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
>>> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser 
>>> and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL 
>>> for the rest. I have had hardly any problems
>>> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I 
>>> find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away 
>>> you go. On the rare occassions I have had
>>> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by 
>>> comparison in every respect.
>>>
>>> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>>>
>>> Geoff F
>>>
>>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. 
>>>> That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>>>
>>>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email 
>>>>> Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this 
>>>>> one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who 
>>>>> has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third 
>>>>> failing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front 
>>>>> runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to 
>>>>> equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also 
>>>>> received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded 
>>>>> from Dick Green.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us 
>>>>> almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? 
>>>>> no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have 
>>>>> taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant 
>>>>> or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Newbitt
>>>>> **
>>>>> *Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive*
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for 
>>>>> work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to 
>>>>> the address you?re currently using.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email 
>>>>> address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on 
>>>>> what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you 
>>>>> can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukwhile you?re 
>>>>> still using that existing email address.Both your domain name 
>>>>> emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing 
>>>>> address. When you notice people sending emails to your old 
>>>>> address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever 
>>>>> one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>>>>
>>>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody 
>>>>> onto your new address.If at any time in the future you decide to 
>>>>> change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email 
>>>>> towards the new ISP instead.No need to tell anybody about a change 
>>>>> of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails 
>>>>> to Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukIt has become your permanent email 
>>>>> address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the 
>>>>> future.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years 
>>>>> have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email 
>>>>> services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts 
>>>>> were aware of any change.
>>>>>
>>>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.I pay for a ten year renewal each 
>>>>> time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you 
>>>>> prefer for just a few quid.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of 
>>>>> prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.ukor Her at 
>>>>> MyNewDomain.co.ukEmails sent to those different prefixes can be 
>>>>> dealt with in different ways.Some can be sent to one ISP and 
>>>>> another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like 
>>>>> personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when 
>>>>> appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a 
>>>>> unique prefix for any request from a company for my email 
>>>>> address.If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had 
>>>>> leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught 
>>>>> in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> *Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.*
>>>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
>>>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
>>>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
>>>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
>>>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
>>>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
>>>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
>>>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
>>>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
>>>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
>>>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Nov 15 12:08:50 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 18:08:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Emails
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One thing I would add to the talk of malware on Macs is that yes, it is very rare. I read an article today which explained that 80.5% of the malware discovered on Macs has been Trojans.  Trojans are applications which pretend to be one thing so that the user unwittingly instals them, but in reality they have a sinister purpose. It?s often called Social Engineering.  They fool somebody into deliberately downloading the malware. It?s not a virus, viruses self spread and infect other computers without user intervention. Trojans can only be spread by deception. That?s why you should only download stuff from trusted sites. A Mac asks if you?re really sure if it?s a legit site if it isn?t able to see that the site you?re proposing to download from is a known, trusted site.

But even more remarkable is that when you examine that remaining 20% of malware of other types, 48% of it got in via just one application called MacKeeper, which ironically was claimed to protect you from malware.   

My experience of fault finding other people?s Macs has been that anti-viral utilities have created far more problems than they have solved. They hook so deeply into the operating system that it?s difficult to be sure quite what they are doing.  Even the official uninstaller won?t necessarily completely remove all traces of the utility.  When I was presented with such a Mac, my advice was always to a full back up, perform a clean install with a verified, factory fresh version of the operating system and reload everything back in, with the exception of the anti-viral application.  For people with massive hard drives, it could take 12 hours or more. 

Bottom line.  Never put third party antiviral software on a Mac, it can do more harm than good. The operating system itself tries to prevent malware being installed, therefore you don?t need anything else. Just keep your operating system up to date and you?ll be protected against the latest threats. Updates are free downloads and automatically install without any fuss, just needing a restart once complete. Even if your Mac is too old to run the latest version of the operating system, Apple continues to release security updates for older versions and they should always be installed. My Mac from 2009 recently had a security update installed, even though the computer itself is no longer officially supported.

Alan


> On 15 Nov 2022, at 15:02, Garth Tucker via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?We run on Apple in our household, all four of us, and have very few problems (fingers crossed).
> 
> Garth
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 13:06:32 2022
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 19:06:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] SAQ Grimeton UN-DAY 2021 Transmission
Message-ID: <FCB4420E-A618-45B3-9E92-039D798FCAEB@howell61.f9.co.uk>

This is off-topic but does concern a 200KW transmitter capable of reaching around the world. Built in 1924 it has no valves or transistors and generates a carrier of 17.2KHhz. Here is a live stream from last year's UN Day.

https://youtu.be/f6cEm9A71g8

I will see if I can again receive the live transmissions,


All the best,

Hibou



From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Tue Nov 15 13:21:08 2022
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 19:21:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] SAQ Grimeton UN-DAY 2021 Transmission
In-Reply-To: <FCB4420E-A618-45B3-9E92-039D798FCAEB@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <FCB4420E-A618-45B3-9E92-039D798FCAEB@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <754D4550-1295-45CB-83CF-EE93760650CA@sky.com>

Looks like black magic to me, fabulous old school machinery with probably not much plastic involved. Just base metals I guess.

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 19:07, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?This is off-topic but does concern a 200KW transmitter capable of reaching around the world. Built in 1924 it has no valves or transistors and generates a carrier of 17.2KHhz. Here is a live stream from last year's UN Day.
> 
> https://youtu.be/f6cEm9A71g8
> 
> I will see if I can again receive the live transmissions,
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Hibou
> 
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 14:09:59 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 20:09:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] SAQ Grimeton UN-DAY 2021 Transmission
In-Reply-To: <FCB4420E-A618-45B3-9E92-039D798FCAEB@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <FCB4420E-A618-45B3-9E92-039D798FCAEB@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604C94736AFC65BDD65937BA7049@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Well I didn?t find the transmitter bit, but I did learn how best to cut up a cabbage!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 15 Nov 2022, at 19:07, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?This is off-topic but does concern a 200KW transmitter capable of reaching around the world. Built in 1924 it has no valves or transistors and generates a carrier of 17.2KHhz. Here is a live stream from last year's UN Day.
> 
> https://youtu.be/f6cEm9A71g8
> 
> I will see if I can again receive the live transmissions,
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Hibou
> 
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 15:31:04 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:31:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB1604EB47A35C536DBA8DD8F9A7049@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?We don?t allow Mac versus Windows arguments on the ipsCOMP forum, and probably shouldn?t here.
For me, though, the chief reason for staying with Windows is that I am computer-nerdy enough to want to fiddle about with registry settings etc., to make it do exactly what I want it to do. And not do what I don?t want it to do.
Despite regular nagging from Microsoft to update to Win11, I won?t until I know it won?t muck up how it is now.
But, I barely use Windows Explorer because Directory Opus (GP Software) replaces as much or as little as I want it to, the result being almost absolute visibility, transparency and configurability. And once bought, comes with forever updates.
On the ipsCOMP forum there is frequent mention of the backwards incompatibility of Mac OS?s, so much so that Mac users find it necessary to be able to boot up into any of two or three retro versions as required in order to run audio edit software that they paid lots of money for, but won?t run in current versions. Not ideal.
The oldest Windows software that I still use is a long-since obsolete version of Sony CD Architect that still runs perfectly on Windows 10, but dates from 2007.
For me that?s a no-brainier.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2022, at 17:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

M'dear, I was only putting the alternative platforms side of things in the same vein as thee. Each indeed to their own.

I was merely responding to the suggestion that Apple path was somehow trouble-free compared to Windows - if only....

Chris Woolf


On 15/11/2022 10:43, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
I tried be fair in my comment - it was only atongue in cheek  personal observation. However, your reply proves my point about the stupid Mac v Windows ?war?
and how entrenched and  biased some Windows users can be.  I?ll have you know I?m not a b***** Mac acolyte and I don?t use Macs to "feel different"!!

Did you not read my final sentence?

Geoff F


On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}

Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.

Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.

Chris Woolf


On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems
with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.

Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.

Geoff F

On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.

On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.

I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.

Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?

Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.

I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?

Dave Newbitt

Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive

My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.

The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.

After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.

I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.

A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.

The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.

Alan

Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.

I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.

We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.

I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.

I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
so don't be embarrassed at being honest.

Chris Woolf


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From Waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 15 16:05:58 2022
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 22:05:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
In-Reply-To: <F3F0B65A-ACBE-4616-BA1B-665C869B9A8B@icloud.com>
References: <AM9P191MB1604EB47A35C536DBA8DD8F9A7049@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi Peter, Nope, I?m not rising to that!
(By the way, did you know that those record sleeves you helped us design all those decades ago are still in the catalogues today?)
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:41, Peter Neill <peter.neill at icloud.com> wrote:

? Macs are for people who don?t want to tinker under the bonnet.
Linux is for those who do.
Windows is for those who don?t want to but need to to make it work.

Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.

On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
?We don?t allow Mac versus Windows arguments on the ipsCOMP forum, and probably shouldn?t here.
For me, though, the chief reason for staying with Windows is that I am computer-nerdy enough to want to fiddle about with registry settings etc., to make it do exactly what I want it to do. And not do what I don?t want it to do.
Despite regular nagging from Microsoft to update to Win11, I won?t until I know it won?t muck up how it is now.
But, I barely use Windows Explorer because Directory Opus (GP Software) replaces as much or as little as I want it to, the result being almost absolute visibility, transparency and configurability. And once bought, comes with forever updates.
On the ipsCOMP forum there is frequent mention of the backwards incompatibility of Mac OS?s, so much so that Mac users find it necessary to be able to boot up into any of two or three retro versions as required in order to run audio edit software that they paid lots of money for, but won?t run in current versions. Not ideal.
The oldest Windows software that I still use is a long-since obsolete version of Sony CD Architect that still runs perfectly on Windows 10, but dates from 2007.
For me that?s a no-brainier.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2022, at 17:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

M'dear, I was only putting the alternative platforms side of things in the same vein as thee. Each indeed to their own.

I was merely responding to the suggestion that Apple path was somehow trouble-free compared to Windows - if only....

Chris Woolf


On 15/11/2022 10:43, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
I tried be fair in my comment - it was only atongue in cheek  personal observation. However, your reply proves my point about the stupid Mac v Windows ?war?
and how entrenched and  biased some Windows users can be.  I?ll have you know I?m not a b***** Mac acolyte and I don?t use Macs to "feel different"!!

Did you not read my final sentence?

Geoff F


On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}

Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.

Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.

Chris Woolf


On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems
with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.

Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.

Geoff F

On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.

On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.

I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.

Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?

Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.

I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?

Dave Newbitt

Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive

My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.

The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.

After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.

I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.

A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.

The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.

Alan

Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.

I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.

We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.

I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.

I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
so don't be embarrassed at being honest.

Chris Woolf


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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 19:24:21 2022
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 01:24:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
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Peter, I reckon he just wants us to buy his Nickware !

Hibou.




> On 15 Nov 2022, at 22:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter, Nope, I?m not rising to that!
> (By the way, did you know that those record sleeves you helped us design all those decades ago are still in the catalogues today?)
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:41, Peter Neill <peter.neill at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Macs are for people who don?t want to tinker under the bonnet. 
>> Linux is for those who do. 
>> Windows is for those who don?t want to but need to to make it work. 
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> ?We don?t allow Mac versus Windows arguments on the ipsCOMP forum, and probably shouldn?t here.
>>> For me, though, the chief reason for staying with Windows is that I am computer-nerdy enough to want to fiddle about with registry settings etc., to make it do exactly what I want it to do. And not do what I don?t want it to do. 
>>> Despite regular nagging from Microsoft to update to Win11, I won?t until I know it won?t muck up how it is now.
>>> But, I barely use Windows Explorer because Directory Opus (GP Software) replaces as much or as little as I want it to, the result being almost absolute visibility, transparency and configurability. And once bought, comes with forever updates.
>>> On the ipsCOMP forum there is frequent mention of the backwards incompatibility of Mac OS?s, so much so that Mac users find it necessary to be able to boot up into any of two or three retro versions as required in order to run audio edit software that they paid lots of money for, but won?t run in current versions. Not ideal.
>>> The oldest Windows software that I still use is a long-since obsolete version of Sony CD Architect that still runs perfectly on Windows 10, but dates from 2007.
>>> For me that?s a no-brainier.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 17:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> M'dear, I was only putting the alternative platforms side of things in the same vein as thee. Each indeed to their own.
>>>> 
>>>> I was merely responding to the suggestion that Apple path was somehow trouble-free compared to Windows - if only....
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15/11/2022 10:43, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
>>>>> I tried be fair in my comment - it was only atongue in cheek  personal observation. However, your reply proves my point about the stupid Mac v Windows ?war? 
>>>>> and how entrenched and  biased some Windows users can be.  I?ll have you know I?m not a b***** Mac acolyte and I don?t use Macs to "feel different"!! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did you not read my final sentence?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Geoff F
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
>>>>>>> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems 
>>>>>>> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
>>>>>>> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Geoff F
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Dave Newbitt
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using. 
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>> Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.
>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
>>>>>>>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
>>>>>>>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
>>>>>>>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
>>>>>>>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
>>>>>>>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
>>>>>>>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
>>>>>>>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
>>>>>>>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
>>>>>>>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
>>>>>>>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 16 03:43:23 2022
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As long as it isn't his NickNacks it won't hurt! Cheers, Dave


From waresound at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 04:05:51 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 10:05:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
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My favourite school report, ?In the days when school teachers could say whatever they wanted, was: ?Potteryware has a glazed look. So has Nickware?. And that was a teacher who in front of everyone used to call me Nickelarse, and sometimes Nickelbum.
Not happy days! Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 16 Nov 2022, at 01:25, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Peter, I reckon he just wants us to buy his Nickware !

Hibou.




On 15 Nov 2022, at 22:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi Peter, Nope, I?m not rising to that!
(By the way, did you know that those record sleeves you helped us design all those decades ago are still in the catalogues today?)
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:41, Peter Neill <peter.neill at icloud.com<mailto:peter.neill at icloud.com>> wrote:

? Macs are for people who don?t want to tinker under the bonnet.
Linux is for those who do.
Windows is for those who don?t want to but need to to make it work.

Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.

On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?
?We don?t allow Mac versus Windows arguments on the ipsCOMP forum, and probably shouldn?t here.
For me, though, the chief reason for staying with Windows is that I am computer-nerdy enough to want to fiddle about with registry settings etc., to make it do exactly what I want it to do. And not do what I don?t want it to do.
Despite regular nagging from Microsoft to update to Win11, I won?t until I know it won?t muck up how it is now.
But, I barely use Windows Explorer because Directory Opus (GP Software) replaces as much or as little as I want it to, the result being almost absolute visibility, transparency and configurability. And once bought, comes with forever updates.
On the ipsCOMP forum there is frequent mention of the backwards incompatibility of Mac OS?s, so much so that Mac users find it necessary to be able to boot up into any of two or three retro versions as required in order to run audio edit software that they paid lots of money for, but won?t run in current versions. Not ideal.
The oldest Windows software that I still use is a long-since obsolete version of Sony CD Architect that still runs perfectly on Windows 10, but dates from 2007.
For me that?s a no-brainier.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2022, at 17:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?

M'dear, I was only putting the alternative platforms side of things in the same vein as thee. Each indeed to their own.

I was merely responding to the suggestion that Apple path was somehow trouble-free compared to Windows - if only....

Chris Woolf


On 15/11/2022 10:43, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
I tried be fair in my comment - it was only atongue in cheek  personal observation. However, your reply proves my point about the stupid Mac v Windows ?war?
and how entrenched and  biased some Windows users can be.  I?ll have you know I?m not a b***** Mac acolyte and I don?t use Macs to "feel different"!!

Did you not read my final sentence?

Geoff F


On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}

Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.

Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.

Chris Woolf


On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems
with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.

Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.

Geoff F

On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.

On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.

I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.

Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?

Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.

I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?

Dave Newbitt

Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive

My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.

The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.

After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.

I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.

A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.

The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.

Alan

Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.

I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your
own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's
idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.

We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use
WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the
chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10
year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block
that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block
everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.

I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking
over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.

I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I
struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control -
so don't be embarrassed at being honest.

Chris Woolf


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Nov 16 04:58:02 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 10:58:02 +0000
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At my prep school (definitely _not_ happy days) I was nicknamed 'Potter' 
after Potter Heigham in Norfolk, by the sports/gym teacher, an ex-Army 
PTI, with whom I got on well.
This did not transfer to the BBC, being known simply as 'Pat'.
On the occasions when Marion, our admin secretary was on leave, a nice 
South African lady stood in, and with her accent, she used to address me 
as 'Pet', which I
rather liked!

Screen credits for TV and Film tend to use the full Patrick, however.

(Hibou, of course, requires a knowledge of French!)

Pet H


On 16/11/2022 10:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> My favourite school report, ?In the days when school teachers could 
> say whatever they wanted, was: ?Potteryware has a glazed look. So has 
> Nickware?. And that was a teacher who in front of everyone used to 
> call me Nickelarse, and sometimes Nickelbum.
> Not happy days! Cheers, N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 01:25, John Howell via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Peter, I reckon he just wants us to buy his Nickware !
>>
>> Hibou.
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From Waresound at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 06:06:37 2022
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 12:06:37 +0000
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[image0.jpeg]
You may prefer this!
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 16 Nov 2022, at 10:58, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

?

At my prep school (definitely not happy days) I was nicknamed 'Potter' after Potter Heigham in Norfolk, by the sports/gym teacher, an ex-Army PTI, with whom I got on well.
This did not transfer to the BBC, being known simply as 'Pat'.
On the occasions when Marion, our admin secretary was on leave, a nice South African lady stood in, and with her accent, she used to address me as 'Pet', which I
rather liked!

Screen credits for TV and Film tend to use the full Patrick, however.

(Hibou, of course, requires a knowledge of French!)

Pet H

<Potter Heigham sign.jpg>

On 16/11/2022 10:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
My favourite school report, ?In the days when school teachers could say whatever they wanted, was: ?Potteryware has a glazed look. So has Nickware?. And that was a teacher who in front of everyone used to call me Nickelarse, and sometimes Nickelbum.
Not happy days! Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 16 Nov 2022, at 01:25, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Peter, I reckon he just wants us to buy his Nickware !

Hibou.
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Nov 16 06:36:03 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 12:36:03 -0000
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We had an engineer in BH called Higham ? otherwise known as ?Higham mighty?

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 12:06 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test


  ? 
  At my prep school (definitely not happy days) I was nicknamed 'Potter' after Potter Heigham in Norfolk, by the sports/gym teacher, an ex-Army PTI, with whom I got on well.
  This did not transfer to the BBC, being known simply as 'Pat'.
  On the occasions when Marion, our admin secretary was on leave, a nice South African lady stood in, and with her accent, she used to address me as 'Pet', which I
  rather liked!

  Screen credits for TV and Film tend to use the full Patrick, however.


  (Hibou, of course, requires a knowledge of French!)


  Pet H

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed Nov 16 06:37:56 2022
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Nov 16 07:32:14 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 13:32:14 +0000
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'Higham mighty' Quite so - most appropriate!? Name spelling is quite 
interesting.
A lot of surnames originated from the trade that families practiced:

Thatcher/Fletcher (arrows)/Cook(e)/Carpenter/Forrester/Ploughman - 
Plowman?/etc.

I used to get Dickie Higham's (Lighting Supervisor) internal mail at 
TVC, and mine to him.

Don't know how the 'e' got included, but according to a family tree that 
was researched by a
fairly recent ancestor of mine, the Heigham is traced back to Sir 
Richard Heigham in around 1340.

Most ancestors were clergy people, but one served as Speaker of the House.
On a shoot in the Palace of Westminster, I was chuffed to find his name 
on a list of
previous Speakers.

Mind you, there are skeletons, too! One nefarious ancestor was in 
trouble for burning down
the then family manor house for the insurance to pay off gambling debts!
(I'm sure there's a TV script there)

Best

Pet H

On 16/11/2022 12:36, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> We had an engineer in BH called Higham ? otherwise known as ?Higham 
> mighty?
> *From:* Nick Ware via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2022 12:06 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
>> ?
>>
>> At my prep school (definitely _not_ happy days) I was nicknamed 
>> 'Potter' after Potter Heigham in Norfolk, by the sports/gym teacher, 
>> an ex-Army PTI, with whom I got on well.
>> This did not transfer to the BBC, being known simply as 'Pat'.
>> On the occasions when Marion, our admin secretary was on leave, a 
>> nice South African lady stood in, and with her accent, she used to 
>> address me as 'Pet', which I
>> rather liked!
>>
>> Screen credits for TV and Film tend to use the full Patrick, however.
>>
>> (Hibou, of course, requires a knowledge of French!)
>>
>> Pet H
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My Woodwork teacher ( remember those days) put a comment on my annual report that I was ?Very good on the whole?. I don?t think he realised what he had written as he was an old dodderer.

Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Nov 2022, at 12:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My favourite school report, ?In the days when school teachers could say whatever they wanted, was: ?Potteryware has a glazed look. So has Nickware?. And that was a teacher who in front of everyone used to call me Nickelarse, and sometimes Nickelbum.
> Not happy days! Cheers, N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 01:25, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Peter, I reckon he just wants us to buy his Nickware !
>> 
>> Hibou.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 22:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter, Nope, I?m not rising to that!
>>> (By the way, did you know that those record sleeves you helped us design all those decades ago are still in the catalogues today?)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> 
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:41, Peter Neill <peter.neill at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? Macs are for people who don?t want to tinker under the bonnet. 
>>>> Linux is for those who do. 
>>>> Windows is for those who don?t want to but need to to make it work. 
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> ?We don?t allow Mac versus Windows arguments on the ipsCOMP forum, and probably shouldn?t here.
>>>>> For me, though, the chief reason for staying with Windows is that I am computer-nerdy enough to want to fiddle about with registry settings etc., to make it do exactly what I want it to do. And not do what I don?t want it to do. 
>>>>> Despite regular nagging from Microsoft to update to Win11, I won?t until I know it won?t muck up how it is now.
>>>>> But, I barely use Windows Explorer because Directory Opus (GP Software) replaces as much or as little as I want it to, the result being almost absolute visibility, transparency and configurability. And once bought, comes with forever updates.
>>>>> On the ipsCOMP forum there is frequent mention of the backwards incompatibility of Mac OS?s, so much so that Mac users find it necessary to be able to boot up into any of two or three retro versions as required in order to run audio edit software that they paid lots of money for, but won?t run in current versions. Not ideal.
>>>>> The oldest Windows software that I still use is a long-since obsolete version of Sony CD Architect that still runs perfectly on Windows 10, but dates from 2007.
>>>>> For me that?s a no-brainier.
>>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 17:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> M'dear, I was only putting the alternative platforms side of things in the same vein as thee. Each indeed to their own.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was merely responding to the suggestion that Apple path was somehow trouble-free compared to Windows - if only....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15/11/2022 10:43, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
>>>>>>> I tried be fair in my comment - it was only atongue in cheek  personal observation. However, your reply proves my point about the stupid Mac v Windows ?war? 
>>>>>>> and how entrenched and  biased some Windows users can be.  I?ll have you know I?m not a b***** Mac acolyte and I don?t use Macs to "feel different"!! 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Did you not read my final sentence?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Geoff F
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
>>>>>>>>> laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems 
>>>>>>>>> with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
>>>>>>>>> to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Geoff F
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> My ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third failing.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> I really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from Dick Green.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> Who are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Newbitt
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> Below from Alan Taylor copied from archive
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using. 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> The reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.  Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> After a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.  If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.  No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk  It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> I got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> A domain name is pretty cheap.  I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> The other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as Me at MyNewDomain.co.uk or Her at MyNewDomain.co.uk  Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.  Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any request from a company for my email address.  If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>> Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.
>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
>>>>>>>>>>> own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
>>>>>>>>>>> idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
>>>>>>>>>>> WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
>>>>>>>>>>> chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
>>>>>>>>>>> year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
>>>>>>>>>>> that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
>>>>>>>>>>> everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
>>>>>>>>>>> over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
>>>>>>>>>>> struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
>>>>>>>>>>> so don't be embarrassed at being honest.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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My woodwork teacher asked us to write WOODWORK on the front of our brownpaper covered exercise books. This had to done in technical drawing fashion with construction lines and measurements. He commended me highly for my work in front of the class but pointed out that I was doing a different subject to the rest of the class:- WOODWORM. The nickname stuck and he then referred to me as Woodworm.Our Technical Drawing Master could not provide me with a left-handed drawing board so I had numerous thumb marks on my finished drawings and he pointed out that my construction lines were heavier than the actual drawing. His favourite expression to me in his very strong Welsh accent was "Be reasonable Hider, be reasonable."?Happy days, well some.Peter Hider (Crew 5)Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 16/11/2022  15:15  (GMT+00:00) To: Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test My Woodwork teacher ( remember those days) put a comment on my annual report that I was ?Very good on the whole?. I don?t think he realised what he had written as he was an old dodderer.Sent from my iPadOn 16 Nov 2022, at 12:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:?




My favourite school report, ?In the days when school teachers could say whatever they wanted, was: ?Potteryware has a glazed look. So has Nickware?. And that was a teacher who in front of everyone used to call me Nickelarse, and sometimes Nickelbum.
Not happy days! Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 16 Nov 2022, at 01:25, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




?

Peter, I reckon he just wants us to buy his Nickware !


Hibou.







On 15 Nov 2022, at 22:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



Hi Peter, Nope, I?m not rising to that!
(By the way, did you know that those record sleeves you helped us design all those decades ago are still in the catalogues today?)
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:41, Peter Neill <peter.neill at icloud.com> wrote:




? Macs are for people who don?t want to tinker under the bonnet.?
Linux is for those who do.?
Windows is for those who don?t want to but need to to make it work.?


Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.?

On 15 Nov 2022, at 21:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




?
?We don?t allow Mac versus Windows arguments on the ipsCOMP forum, and probably shouldn?t here.
For me, though, the chief reason for staying with Windows is that I am computer-nerdy enough to want to fiddle about with registry settings etc., to make it do exactly what I want it to do. And not do what I don?t want it to do.?
Despite regular nagging from Microsoft to update to Win11, I won?t until I know it won?t muck up how it is now.
But, I barely use Windows Explorer because Directory Opus (GP Software) replaces as much or as little as I want it to, the result being almost absolute visibility, transparency and configurability. And once bought, comes with forever updates.
On the ipsCOMP forum there is frequent mention of the backwards incompatibility of Mac OS?s, so much so that Mac users find it necessary to be able to boot up into any of two or three retro versions as required in order to run audio edit software that
 they paid lots of money for, but won?t run in current versions. Not ideal.
The oldest Windows software that I still use is a long-since obsolete version of Sony CD Architect that still runs perfectly on Windows 10, but dates from 2007.
For me that?s a no-brainier.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2022, at 17:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




?
M'dear, I was only putting the alternative platforms side of things in the same vein as thee. Each indeed to their own.
I was merely responding to the suggestion that Apple path was somehow trouble-free compared to Windows - if only....
Chris Woolf



On 15/11/2022 10:43, Geoff Fletcher wrote:


I tried be fair in my comment - it was only atongue in cheek ?personal observation. However, your reply proves my point about the stupid Mac v Windows ?war??
and how entrenched and ?biased some Windows users can be. ?I?ll have you know I?m not a b***** Mac acolyte and I don?t use Macs to "feel different"!!?


Did you not read my final sentence?


Geoff F




On 15 Nov 2022, at 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



Indeed - if you are a Windows user, then Macs, with their limited mouse button arrangement, their restricted software (unless you start using them as a techie UNIX box), and their opaque file structure, are pretty incomprehensible;}
Apple has always tried to push their apparent simplicity, their supposed freedom from viruses, and their inability to crash.... but sadly, it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Windows has had greater problems in the past due to being far more open with
 their software, and their willingness to accommodate a vast array of legacy equipment and programs, but the criticisms of the platform are long outdated.
Apple is expensive, and likes to keep it that way to make its acolytes feel different, but the substance of "better made", "more reliable", "more innovative", wore out some years back. Windows, Android etc occupy a wider price/quality range of the
 market (which sometimes allows Apple users to sneer) but there's nothing inferior about the platforms.
Chris Woolf





On 15/11/2022 09:34, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:


I know this will be heresy to all you Windows users, but I suggest - buy a Mac! I have always used Mac computers ever since Anglia TV provided me with my first Unit Manager?s
laptop way back in the dim and distant. I use their Safari browser and have 2 eMail accounts - Gmail for all things Tech Ops, and AOL for the rest. I have had hardly any problems?

with either account or with my Macs. Maybe I have been lucky, but I find Macs intuitive sytem-wise, and you just plug ?em up and away you go. On the rare occassions I have had
to use Windows I found it a ridiculously complicated op system by comparison in every respect.


Still, everyone to their own I guess - whatever works for each of us.


Geoff F





On 14 Nov 2022, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



I sent a post here entitled "Centrica" About a couple of hours ago. That doesn't seem to have arrived either.

On 14/11/2022 14:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:





My
 ISP generated problems re email blocking seem random. The email Chris sent prior to the one below came to my inbox but not this one. Alan?s new contribution didn?t arrive, also Dave Plowman who has posted three ? the first arriving ok, the second and third
 failing.

?

I
 really appreciate what Chris & Alan have posted ? two front runners in providing comprehensible information very difficult to equal from web searches. Kind and sympathetic as well! I also received direct to me a helpful & informative article forwarded from
 Dick Green. 

?

Who
 are these ?younger people? Alan - are you being kind to us almost octogenarians (3 mths to go for me!)?


?

Thank
 you all very much, I still await any response from Firefly ? no email and no contribution on the help ticket as at 1425.

?

I
 wonder just how much of the difficulties so many of us have taken up Bernie?s time with in the past are down to some variant or other of this ISP own goal syndrome?

?

Dave
 Newbitt

?

Below
 from Alan Taylor copied from archive

?

My
 suggestion to the younger people on here who rely on email for work is to get a domain name now and then forward your emails to the address you?re currently using.?


?

The
 reason for doing this is that when you change your email address, you risk people no longer being able to contact you on what they thought was your address. By getting a domain name, you can tell people to migrate to
Me
 at MyNewDomain.co.uk while you?re still using that existing email address.?
Both your domain name emails and your normal emails will arrive at that existing address. When you notice people sending emails to your old address, you can remind them to update your details, but whichever one they send it to, you still receive it.

?

After
 a year or two you should have smoothly migrated everybody onto your new address.?
If at any time in the future you decide to change ISPs, you only need to redirect your domain to point email towards the new ISP instead.?
No need to tell anybody about a change of ISP or email address, because they will continue to send emails to
Me
 at MyNewDomain.co.uk?
It has become your permanent email address and will not be affected by the ISP you might use in the future.

?

I
 got my domain name at least twenty years ago and over the years have pointed it towards NTL, PlusNet, BT, Google and Apple email services. Each transition has been instant and none of my contacts were aware of any change.

?

A
 domain name is pretty cheap.? I pay for a ten year renewal each time and it was about ?50 last time, but you can pay yearly if you prefer for just a few quid.

?

The
 other advantage is that you can have an unlimited number of prefixes, such as 
Me
 at MyNewDomain.co.uk or 
Her
 at MyNewDomain.co.uk?
Emails sent to those different prefixes can be dealt with in different ways.?
Some can be sent to one ISP and another to a different one, making it easy to separate things like personal emails from the ones sent by businesses. In the days when appearing on spam mail lists was a huge problem, I always used a unique prefix for any
 request from a company for my email address.?
If I got spam sent using that prefix, I knew who had leaked or sold my details ( the AA was one of the first I caught in that way ) and can set a filter to automatically delete it.

?

Alan
Below from Chris Woolf copied from archive.
I certainly don't laugh - trying to run communication systems for your 
own purposes is tricky enough, but the need to take everyone else's 
idiosyncratic methods into account adds enormously to the complications.

We have various friends who only use SMS, others who have to use 
WhatsApp. Many use email, but some use my gmail account, others the 
chriswoolf domain. Many try to email my wife using an address that is 10 
year out of date. Some try to communicate through Facebook, but I block 
that because the Meta stuff leaks everywhere, even if you try to block 
everything - there is work stuff I have to keep pretty secure.

I use a glucose monitor these days, and that has its own way of taking 
over your phone to communicate both locally and through sneaky web routes.

I'm not too bad on the technology front but there are aspects that I 
struggle with in all this, and would never claim to have total control - 
so don't be embarrassed at being honest.

Chris Woolf



 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 16 10:24:29 2022
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Sharon Taylor, BBC Sports AP, called me 'sic transit' after the Latin 
phrase 'sic transit gloria mundi' (after my surname, of course!). It 
could have been worse if she had picked 'Gloria!' Cheers, Dave


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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Nov 16 13:51:22 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:51:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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I think Mike means the other Nick - whichever of us that is!
Nick (also known as Copperbottom). And a long time ago someone very dear to me used to call me Git! She knows who she is xx.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?d like to know what your worst friend called you, Nick!
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 16:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Sharon Taylor, BBC Sports AP, called me 'sic transit' after the Latin phrase 'sic transit gloria mundi' (after my surname, of course!). It could have been worse if she had picked 'Gloria!' Cheers, Dave
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 08:16:12 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:16:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re [Tech 1] Test
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Of course, the guy by the river on the sign would be holding a ?fish pole?.

Geoff F

> On 16 Nov 2022, at 12:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> You may prefer this!
> N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 10:58, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> At my prep school (definitely not happy days) I was nicknamed 'Potter' after Potter Heigham in Norfolk, by the sports/gym teacher, an ex-Army PTI, with whom I got on well.
>> This did not transfer to the BBC, being known simply as 'Pat'.
>> On the occasions when Marion, our admin secretary was on leave, a nice South African lady stood in, and with her accent, she used to address me as 'Pet', which I
>> rather liked!
>> 
>> Screen credits for TV and Film tend to use the full Patrick, however.
>> 
>> (Hibou, of course, requires a knowledge of French!)
>> 
>> Pet H
>> 
>> 
>> <Potter Heigham sign.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> On 16/11/2022 10:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My favourite school report, ?In the days when school teachers could say whatever they wanted, was: ?Potteryware has a glazed look. So has Nickware?. And that was a teacher who in front of everyone used to call me Nickelarse, and sometimes Nickelbum.
>>> Not happy days! Cheers, N.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 01:25, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Peter, I reckon he just wants us to buy his Nickware !
>>>> 
>>>> Hibou.
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 08:18:00 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:18:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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I have a friend named Tony Burton but he is known to all as ?Gonferrer?

Geoff F

> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I think Mike means the other Nick - whichever of us that is!
> Nick (also known as Copperbottom). And a long time ago someone very dear to me used to call me Git! She knows who she is xx.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?d like to know what your worst friend called you, Nick!
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 16:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sharon Taylor, BBC Sports AP, called me 'sic transit' after the Latin phrase 'sic transit gloria mundi' (after my surname, of course!). It could have been worse if she had picked 'Gloria!' Cheers, Dave
>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Nov 17 08:57:53 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:57:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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I used to go to school with a boy called Tim Burton, who ended up via a circuitous route being known as Jack.

?Tim Burton? was close enough to what they yelled when a tree was cut through and about to fall down. It was yelled by a lumberjack.  Jack for short.

? and no, it wasn?t the one who went on to become the famous Tim Button. 

Alan Taylor 


> On 17 Nov 2022, at 14:18, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I have a friend named Tony Burton but he is known to all as ?Gonferrer?
> 
> Geoff F
> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Mike means the other Nick - whichever of us that is!
>> Nick (also known as Copperbottom). And a long time ago someone very dear to me used to call me Git! She knows who she is xx.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I?d like to know what your worst friend called you, Nick!
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 16:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sharon Taylor, BBC Sports AP, called me 'sic transit' after the Latin phrase 'sic transit gloria mundi' (after my surname, of course!). It could have been worse if she had picked 'Gloria!' Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Thu Nov 17 16:21:13 2022
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 22:21:13 +0000 (GMT)
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There used to be a footballer (played for Portsmouth, I believe) called 
Fitz Hall.  His nickname?  "One Size".


         Best wishes  .....  Vern





Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets
I have a friend named Tony Burton but he is known to all as ?Gonferrer?
Geoff F
On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:
I think Mike means the other Nick - whichever of us that is!
Nick (also known as Copperbottom). And a long time ago someone very dear 
to me used to call me Git! She knows who she is xx.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:
?I?d like to know what your worst friend called you, Nick!
Mike G

On 16 Nov 2022, at 16:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:
Sharon Taylor, BBC Sports AP, called me 'sic transit' after the Latin 
phrase 'sic transit gloria mundi' (after my surname, of course!). It 
could have been worse if she had picked 'Gloria!' Cheers, Dave
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Nov 18 03:12:22 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:12:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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?Younger members of our family like to corrupt names into collective abbreviations where possible. It seems to be a form of youth-speak. So:
Nick and Judi become - Nudi
Hannah and Sam (Tubb) - Ham
Tom (Ware) and Silvia - Tilvia
Ellie and James (Fox) - we?re still working on (Jellie has been suggested)
Frankie and Rupert (dogs) - Frupert
Etc.
Households: Ware, Tubb, Fox, so ours being the parent one is collectively WTF HQ. (WTF, of course, having another meaning!)
And the two-room Summerhouse we installed earlier this year is not The Summerhouse, but No5a. (Which bizaarly is the same number of syllables, so no shorter). We discourage that though in case the Borough Council try to slap Council Tax on it. I wouldn?t put it past them!
There are others, but I won?t bore you anymore.
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 17 Nov 2022, at 22:21, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?


There used to be a footballer (played for Portsmouth, I believe) called Fitz Hall.
His nickname? "One Size".



Best wishes ..... Vern





Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets

I have a friend named Tony Burton but he is known to all as ?Gonferrer?

Geoff F

On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I think Mike means the other Nick - whichever of us that is!
Nick (also known as Copperbottom). And a long time ago someone very dear to me used to call me Git! She knows who she is xx.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?I?d like to know what your worst friend called you, Nick!

Mike G


On 16 Nov 2022, at 16:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Sharon Taylor, BBC Sports AP, called me 'sic transit' after the Latin phrase 'sic transit gloria mundi' (after my surname, of course!). It could have been worse if she had picked 'Gloria!' Cheers, Dave

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri Nov 18 03:45:05 2022
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:45:05 +0000
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I believe the Television Centre was due to be called White City Studios thus WC1, WC2 etc.

'Bou.

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 09:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Younger members of our family like to corrupt names into collective abbreviations where possible. It seems to be a form of youth-speak. So:
> Nick and Judi become - Nudi
> Hannah and Sam (Tubb) - Ham
> Tom (Ware) and Silvia - Tilvia
> Ellie and James (Fox) - we?re still working on (Jellie has been suggested)
> Frankie and Rupert (dogs) - Frupert
> Etc.
> Households: Ware, Tubb, Fox, so ours being the parent one is collectively WTF HQ. (WTF, of course, having another meaning!)
> And the two-room Summerhouse we installed earlier this year is not The Summerhouse, but No5a. (Which bizaarly is the same number of syllables, so no shorter). We discourage that though in case the Borough Council try to slap Council Tax on it. I wouldn?t put it past them!
> There are others, but I won?t bore you anymore.
> Cheers,
> N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2022, at 22:21, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There used to be a footballer (played for Portsmouth, I believe) called Fitz Hall.
>> 
>> His nickname? "One Size".
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes ..... Vern
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a friend named Tony Burton but he is known to all as ?Gonferrer?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Geoff F
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think Mike means the other Nick - whichever of us that is!
>> 
>> Nick (also known as Copperbottom). And a long time ago someone very dear to me used to call me Git! She knows who she is xx.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ?I?d like to know what your worst friend called you, Nick!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 16:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sharon Taylor, BBC Sports AP, called me 'sic transit' after the Latin phrase 'sic transit gloria mundi' (after my surname, of course!). It could have been worse if she had picked 'Gloria!' Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Nov 18 04:21:40 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:21:40 +0000
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At my previous house a young couple moved in.  They were living together, but had just got engaged.  He would introduce her as his wife to be and she always referred to him as her husband to be.  We referred to them as the Toobies.

Time passed, they married and she produced a child.  We then referred to them at the Threebies. 

I know I?ve told the tale before, but my favourite nickname was given to some German people I was working with in Cologne.  The CEO of the company was a very old-school chap called Wolfgang Beyer.  Wherever he went there was a little entourage accompanying him and preceding him.  We were warned on multiple occasions never to refer to him as Wolfgang.  It must always be preferably Herr, or at least Mr Beyer.

I started referring to his entourage as the Herr Beyer Bunch. It greatly amused the Brits. Some the Germans sussed that there was some sort of joke going on, but couldn?t work out what was funny about calling a group of people a bunch and there was clearly nothing funny about a relatively common name such as Herr Beyer.

Alan



> On 18 Nov 2022, at 09:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ?Younger members of our family like to corrupt names into collective abbreviations where possible. It seems to be a form of youth-speak. So:
> Nick and Judi become - Nudi
> Hannah and Sam (Tubb) - Ham
> Tom (Ware) and Silvia - Tilvia
> Ellie and James (Fox) - we?re still working on (Jellie has been suggested)
> Frankie and Rupert (dogs) - Frupert
> Etc.
> Households: Ware, Tubb, Fox, so ours being the parent one is collectively WTF HQ. (WTF, of course, having another meaning!)
> And the two-room Summerhouse we installed earlier this year is not The Summerhouse, but No5a. (Which bizaarly is the same number of syllables, so no shorter). We discourage that though in case the Borough Council try to slap Council Tax on it. I wouldn?t put it past them!
> There are others, but I won?t bore you anymore.
> Cheers,
> N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2022, at 22:21, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There used to be a footballer (played for Portsmouth, I believe) called Fitz Hall.
>> 
>> His nickname? "One Size".
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes ..... Vern
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a friend named Tony Burton but he is known to all as ?Gonferrer?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Geoff F
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Mike means the other Nick - whichever of us that is!
>> Nick (also known as Copperbottom). And a long time ago someone very dear to me used to call me Git! She knows who she is xx.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?d like to know what your worst friend called you, Nick!
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Nov 2022, at 16:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Sharon Taylor, BBC Sports AP, called me 'sic transit' after the Latin phrase 'sic transit gloria mundi' (after my surname, of course!). It could have been worse if she had picked 'Gloria!' Cheers, Dave
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Nov 18 05:33:05 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:33:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <09977287-5C36-4DE6-8CF7-8001EA13FF3D@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <AM9P191MB1604CE634195E7FBCDCC1142A7099@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<09977287-5C36-4DE6-8CF7-8001EA13FF3D@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <be9208b5-e071-108f-e4a2-b65170baef7a@amps.net>

Presumably the programmes generated in those studios would be 'crap'?

The Corporation were always keen on job title abbreviations. Middle 
management were never good at thinking things through
- remember when a re-shuffle appointed an overall regional supervising 
engineer: RSE, fine, except for his assistant!

Pat H

On 18/11/2022 09:45, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
> I believe the Television Centre was due to be called White City 
> Studios thus WC1, WC2 etc.
>
> 'Bou.


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Nov 18 05:45:28 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:45:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <be9208b5-e071-108f-e4a2-b65170baef7a@amps.net>
References: <AM9P191MB1604CE634195E7FBCDCC1142A7099@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<09977287-5C36-4DE6-8CF7-8001EA13FF3D@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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> On 18 Nov 2022, at 11:33, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Presumably the programmes generated in those studios would be 'crap??

Camera Rocking Attachment, Pedestal

? 
Graeme Wall




From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Fri Nov 18 06:59:11 2022
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:59:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Football World Cup
Message-ID: <9075DD9E-AD22-4971-BA5F-7AA23DBD0EDF@vincent68.plus.com>

I?m coming out to say I am a football fan!

My Dad was Wimbledons goalkeeper in the 30?s.

My brother and I managed to get him to Wembley in 1988 to see Wimbledon beat Liverpool in the FA Cup Final. He sat with an old teammate.

My brother was a goalie and did get a trial for Wimbledon. I think Dad pulled a few strings!

I was rubbish. I played for my Boys Brigade team and we got thrashed about 20 nil every week.

Normally I would be glued to the TV for the World Cup.

This time I want nothing to do with it. An insignificant gesture I know but it makes me feel better.

I can feel trouble looming over the next few weeks!

Cue Pat

John V





From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Nov 18 07:22:34 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:22:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Football World Cup
In-Reply-To: <9075DD9E-AD22-4971-BA5F-7AA23DBD0EDF@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <9075DD9E-AD22-4971-BA5F-7AA23DBD0EDF@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <b48ae9c4-daf4-cfca-f25e-d35a9a5cca20@amps.net>

Cue Pat...
Not to disappoint, I was no field player, but my school was rugger, not 
soccer.

I do watch the Six-Nations though.

Saw a repeat of 'To the Manor Born' intrigued to see a credit for Crew 
13 on the end captions.

Some recognition at least!

Pat

On 18/11/2022 12:59, crew13 via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m coming out to say I am a football fan!
>
> My Dad was Wimbledons goalkeeper in the 30?s.
>
> My brother and I managed to get him to Wembley in 1988 to see Wimbledon beat Liverpool in the FA Cup Final. He sat with an old teammate.
>
> My brother was a goalie and did get a trial for Wimbledon. I think Dad pulled a few strings!
>
> I was rubbish. I played for my Boys Brigade team and we got thrashed about 20 nil every week.
>
> Normally I would be glued to the TV for the World Cup.
>
> This time I want nothing to do with it. An insignificant gesture I know but it makes me feel better.
>
> I can feel trouble looming over the next few weeks!
>
> Cue Pat
>
> John V
>
>
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Nov 18 07:26:47 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:26:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <09977287-5C36-4DE6-8CF7-8001EA13FF3D@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <AM9P191MB1604CE634195E7FBCDCC1142A7099@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<09977287-5C36-4DE6-8CF7-8001EA13FF3D@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ae016d59-5667-219e-e8c9-66f3b7aa4ee3@amps.net>

I'm reminded that driving through leafy Surrey, I came up behind a 
lorry, delivering Portaloos to a caravan site.
On the tailboard was their advertisment: "We're No 1 for your No 2's!"
Thought that was rather witty!

Pat

On 18/11/2022 09:45, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
> I believe the Television Centre was due to be called White City 
> Studios thus WC1, WC2 etc.
>
> 'Bou.


From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Nov 18 08:12:05 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 14:12:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Football World Cup
In-Reply-To: <9075DD9E-AD22-4971-BA5F-7AA23DBD0EDF@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <9075DD9E-AD22-4971-BA5F-7AA23DBD0EDF@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <A7701E3C-6551-44BB-AC06-8F8CCCD34529@me.com>

There?s a freelance sound guy who I have known for maybe ten years or more.  We have frequently worked together and have chatted about everything under the sun.  One day he told me that he used to be a professional footballer for Norwich, albeit never getting further than the reserves bench on big matches.

I was quite surprised that it?s something he had never even hinted at.  It was clearly true, because when we later covered a match together at Norwich, he was known by many of the staff or players and they chatted about mutual friends.

Similarly there was a rigger I worked with, maybe on a weekly basis for years and years. Again we would talk about anything and everything.  He was one of those people I would always gravitate towards and have a friendly chat, or have a drink with in the pub. Then one day I was working covering superbikes and bumped into him in the pit lane.  I was pretty confident he wasn?t listed on the call sheet, and besides he was dressed for racing, not rigging.  It turned out that he had been a very successful sidecar racing passenger for donkey's years. Again he has never mentioned anything about his racing career. I asked Murray Walker if he had heard of him and Murray said yes of course and off the top of his head told me about his racing career and who he partnered with.  Murray was as surprised to hear that he works as an OB rigger as I was surprised to hear about his racing career.

Alan


> On 18 Nov 2022, at 12:59, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m coming out to say I am a football fan!
> 
> My Dad was Wimbledons goalkeeper in the 30?s.
> 
> My brother and I managed to get him to Wembley in 1988 to see Wimbledon beat Liverpool in the FA Cup Final. He sat with an old teammate.
> 
> My brother was a goalie and did get a trial for Wimbledon. I think Dad pulled a few strings!
> 
> I was rubbish. I played for my Boys Brigade team and we got thrashed about 20 nil every week.
> 
> Normally I would be glued to the TV for the World Cup.
> 
> This time I want nothing to do with it. An insignificant gesture I know but it makes me feel better.
> 
> I can feel trouble looming over the next few weeks!
> 
> Cue Pat
> 
> John V
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Nov 18 09:10:25 2022
From: david.jasma at sky.com (david.jasma)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 15:10:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <ae016d59-5667-219e-e8c9-66f3b7aa4ee3@amps.net>
Message-ID: <2056594645.157896.1668784228164@sky.com>

Around here in SW Scotland, the local portable loo company is called WC in a Field. I wonder if who ever started the company was a film buff!Date BuckleySent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 18/11/2022  14:45  (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell <j at howell61.f9.co.uk>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets I'm reminded that driving through leafy Surrey, I came up behind a lorry, delivering Portaloos to a caravan site.On the tailboard was their advertisment: "We're No 1 for your No 2's!"Thought that was rather witty!PatOn 18/11/2022 09:45, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:> I believe the Television Centre was due to be called White City > Studios thus WC1, WC2 etc.>> 'Bou.-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 09:49:19 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 15:49:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Football World Cup
In-Reply-To: <A7701E3C-6551-44BB-AC06-8F8CCCD34529@me.com>
References: <9075DD9E-AD22-4971-BA5F-7AA23DBD0EDF@vincent68.plus.com>
	<A7701E3C-6551-44BB-AC06-8F8CCCD34529@me.com>
Message-ID: <8e73bf6f-7556-250f-ba90-0508da292675@gmail.com>

I used to work on OBs (not BBC) as a gram op with a particular SS. And 
on location, etc, spent many an evening in the pub with him. So thought 
I knew him quite well. He sadly died young, and at his funeral turns out 
he and his wife were into line dancing and naturism. Although probably 
not at the same time.

On 18/11/2022 14:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> There?s a freelance sound guy who I have known for maybe ten years or more.  We have frequently worked together and have chatted about everything under the sun.  One day he told me that he used to be a professional footballer for Norwich, albeit never getting further than the reserves bench on big matches.
>
> I was quite surprised that it?s something he had never even hinted at.  It was clearly true, because when we later covered a match together at Norwich, he was known by many of the staff or players and they chatted about mutual friends.
>
> Similarly there was a rigger I worked with, maybe on a weekly basis for years and years. Again we would talk about anything and everything.  He was one of those people I would always gravitate towards and have a friendly chat, or have a drink with in the pub. Then one day I was working covering superbikes and bumped into him in the pit lane.  I was pretty confident he wasn?t listed on the call sheet, and besides he was dressed for racing, not rigging.  It turned out that he had been a very successful sidecar racing passenger for donkey's years. Again he has never mentioned anything about his racing career. I asked Murray Walker if he had heard of him and Murray said yes of course and off the top of his head told me about his racing career and who he partnered with.  Murray was as surprised to hear that he works as an OB rigger as I was surprised to hear about his racing career.
>
> Alan
>
>
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 12:59, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?I?m coming out to say I am a football fan!
>>
>> My Dad was Wimbledons goalkeeper in the 30?s.
>>
>> My brother and I managed to get him to Wembley in 1988 to see Wimbledon beat Liverpool in the FA Cup Final. He sat with an old teammate.
>>
>> My brother was a goalie and did get a trial for Wimbledon. I think Dad pulled a few strings!
>>
>> I was rubbish. I played for my Boys Brigade team and we got thrashed about 20 nil every week.
>>
>> Normally I would be glued to the TV for the World Cup.
>>
>> This time I want nothing to do with it. An insignificant gesture I know but it makes me feel better.
>>
>> I can feel trouble looming over the next few weeks!
>>
>> Cue Pat
>>
>> John V
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Fri Nov 18 10:58:06 2022
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 16:58:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <ae016d59-5667-219e-e8c9-66f3b7aa4ee3@amps.net>
References: <ae016d59-5667-219e-e8c9-66f3b7aa4ee3@amps.net>
Message-ID: <912573C1-4068-433E-B77F-55EDD35E0C79@sky.com>

At the Beeb , Con Jones suggested an amusing pastime with names. It was to swap the first letter of the Christian name with the surname. This was when we had hours and hours of warm up and line up on Philips PC80 cameras.
So I became Warry Bilkinson ?not very funny !
He became Jon Cones ?funny.
Don Groom became Gron  Doom?funny and 
John Chester became Con Jester?very funny.
Then it was back to endless games of Canasta.

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 13:27, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm reminded that driving through leafy Surrey, I came up behind a lorry, delivering Portaloos to a caravan site.
> On the tailboard was their advertisment: "We're No 1 for your No 2's!"
> Thought that was rather witty!
> 
> Pat
> 
>> On 18/11/2022 09:45, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>> I believe the Television Centre was due to be called White City Studios thus WC1, WC2 etc.
>> 
>> 'Bou.
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Nov 19 01:49:11 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:49:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Football World Cup
In-Reply-To: <8e73bf6f-7556-250f-ba90-0508da292675@gmail.com>
References: <8e73bf6f-7556-250f-ba90-0508da292675@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D450C1C8-9212-4B97-8ABF-9CF0018338F1@mac.com>

Of course one of our most esteemed Senior Cameramen, sadly deceased, was an adherent of one of those pursuits - and I don?t think it was line dancing!

Mike G



> On 18 Nov 2022, at 15:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I used to work on OBs (not BBC) as a gram op with a particular SS. And on location, etc, spent many an evening in the pub with him. So thought I knew him quite well. He sadly died young, and at his funeral turns out he and his wife were into line dancing and naturism. Although probably not at the same time.
> 
>> On 18/11/2022 14:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> There?s a freelance sound guy who I have known for maybe ten years or more.  We have frequently worked together and have chatted about everything under the sun.  One day he told me that he used to be a professional footballer for Norwich, albeit never getting further than the reserves bench on big matches.
>> 
>> I was quite surprised that it?s something he had never even hinted at.  It was clearly true, because when we later covered a match together at Norwich, he was known by many of the staff or players and they chatted about mutual friends.
>> 
>> Similarly there was a rigger I worked with, maybe on a weekly basis for years and years. Again we would talk about anything and everything.  He was one of those people I would always gravitate towards and have a friendly chat, or have a drink with in the pub. Then one day I was working covering superbikes and bumped into him in the pit lane.  I was pretty confident he wasn?t listed on the call sheet, and besides he was dressed for racing, not rigging.  It turned out that he had been a very successful sidecar racing passenger for donkey's years. Again he has never mentioned anything about his racing career. I asked Murray Walker if he had heard of him and Murray said yes of course and off the top of his head told me about his racing career and who he partnered with.  Murray was as surprised to hear that he works as an OB rigger as I was surprised to hear about his racing career.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 12:59, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I?m coming out to say I am a football fan!
>>> 
>>> My Dad was Wimbledons goalkeeper in the 30?s.
>>> 
>>> My brother and I managed to get him to Wembley in 1988 to see Wimbledon beat Liverpool in the FA Cup Final. He sat with an old teammate.
>>> 
>>> My brother was a goalie and did get a trial for Wimbledon. I think Dad pulled a few strings!
>>> 
>>> I was rubbish. I played for my Boys Brigade team and we got thrashed about 20 nil every week.
>>> 
>>> Normally I would be glued to the TV for the World Cup.
>>> 
>>> This time I want nothing to do with it. An insignificant gesture I know but it makes me feel better.
>>> 
>>> I can feel trouble looming over the next few weeks!
>>> 
>>> Cue Pat
>>> 
>>> John V
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sat Nov 19 05:56:35 2022
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:56:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <912573C1-4068-433E-B77F-55EDD35E0C79@sky.com>
References: <ae016d59-5667-219e-e8c9-66f3b7aa4ee3@amps.net>
	<912573C1-4068-433E-B77F-55EDD35E0C79@sky.com>
Message-ID: <39c04f61.2c6f8.1848fbf659c.Webtop.107@btinternet.com>


.....  and there was a football commentator called (not to his face) 
Barry Gloom.

V

------ Original Message ------
From: "B Wilkinson via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "Pat Heigham" <pat.heigham at amps.net>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: Friday, 18 Nov, 22 At 16:58
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets
At the Beeb , Con Jones suggested an amusing pastime with names. It was 
to swap the first letter of the Christian name with the surname. This 
was when we had hours and hours of warm up and line up on Philips PC80 
cameras.
So I became Warry Bilkinson ?not very funny !
He became Jon Cones ?funny.
Don Groom became Gron  Doom?funny and
John Chester became Con Jester?very funny.
Then it was back to endless games of Canasta.
Sent from my iPad


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From tuckergarth at me.com  Sat Nov 19 09:17:19 2022
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:17:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Football in Qatar
Message-ID: <2782D585-87FC-4FAA-914D-84C7B2411D5A@me.com>

I agree with John. 

I had a minor football career before having it cut short by the BBC. I scored the winning goal enabling BTR Ltd to win the Maidenhead and District  Premier League cup in 1959 (my parents came to see the match and when I asked my mother if she had seen the goal her reply was ?Yes, but it only bounced off your shin?. She was right. After National Service I played for Burnham FC and scored a Hat Trick against Southall Reserves.

I now have the misfortune to support Spurs (I blame my son) and spend too much time worrying about them as I watch them from my settee.

However, I will add another insignificant gesture to John?s re. the World Cup Competition. I note a female Labour MP in Qatar on a fact finding excursion this week was stopped by police for walking with 5 males. It became an ugly scene when the police demanded to know which of her companions was her husband. Her husband, another MP, was back in London. Finally, to satisfy the police one of her companions claimed that she was his wife. 

Garth



From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Nov 19 10:13:40 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 16:13:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <39c04f61.2c6f8.1848fbf659c.Webtop.107@btinternet.com>
References: <ae016d59-5667-219e-e8c9-66f3b7aa4ee3@amps.net>
	<912573C1-4068-433E-B77F-55EDD35E0C79@sky.com>
	<39c04f61.2c6f8.1848fbf659c.Webtop.107@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <2340ef82-3d6b-f204-5421-ba02657b5398@chriswoolf.co.uk>

..Peter Anther....


Chris Woolf



On 19/11/2022 11:56, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
> ..... and there was a football commentator called (not to his face) 
> Barry Gloom.
>
>
> V
>
>
>     ------ Original Message ------ From: "B Wilkinson via Tech1"
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> To: "Pat Heigham" <pat.heigham at amps.net>
>     Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Friday, 18 Nov, 22 At 16:58
>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets At the Beeb , Con Jones suggested
>     an amusing pastime with names. It was to swap the first letter of
>     the Christian name with the surname. This was when we had hours
>     and hours of warm up and line up on Philips PC80 cameras. So I
>     became Warry Bilkinson ?not very funny ! He became Jon Cones
>     ?funny. Don Groom became Gron Doom?funny and John Chester became
>     Con Jester?very funny. Then it was back to endless games of
>     Canasta. Sent from my iPad 
>
> .
>
>
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 10:22:28 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 16:22:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Football in Qatar
In-Reply-To: <2782D585-87FC-4FAA-914D-84C7B2411D5A@me.com>
References: <2782D585-87FC-4FAA-914D-84C7B2411D5A@me.com>
Message-ID: <07e71c64-31a2-a797-62ba-5af509d81784@gmail.com>

It does make you wonder about all the researchers etc that MPs employ, 
if she wasn't informed about a country's laws like that? Ridiculous as 
they may appear to us. We would expect visitors to obey laws here that 
don't apply in their country?

On 19/11/2022 15:17, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote:
> I agree with John.
>
> I had a minor football career before having it cut short by the BBC. I scored the winning goal enabling BTR Ltd to win the Maidenhead and District  Premier League cup in 1959 (my parents came to see the match and when I asked my mother if she had seen the goal her reply was ?Yes, but it only bounced off your shin?. She was right. After National Service I played for Burnham FC and scored a Hat Trick against Southall Reserves.
>
> I now have the misfortune to support Spurs (I blame my son) and spend too much time worrying about them as I watch them from my settee.
>
> However, I will add another insignificant gesture to John?s re. the World Cup Competition. I note a female Labour MP in Qatar on a fact finding excursion this week was stopped by police for walking with 5 males. It became an ugly scene when the police demanded to know which of her companions was her husband. Her husband, another MP, was back in London. Finally, to satisfy the police one of her companions claimed that she was his wife.
>
> Garth
>
>


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Nov 19 11:16:42 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 17:16:42 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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Not strictly on topic but .....

John Staple whose outlandish/outrageous antics  we have all aired here before included the obsessive ordering of mail order ?send no money now? books (his loft at Claygate was literally full). He used many false names for the purpose. Over time these became ever more extreme and I recall, to cite just one, ?Miss Virgin Yesterday?. You would think any supplier would spot that but no, I remember seeing the address label on the arriving parcel.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 4:13 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets

..Peter Anther....



Chris Woolf





On 19/11/2022 11:56, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:

  ..... and there was a football commentator called (not to his face) Barry Gloom. 


  V



    ------ Original Message ------ From: "B Wilkinson via Tech1" mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk To: "Pat Heigham" mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Friday, 18 Nov, 22 At 16:58 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sobriquets At the Beeb , Con Jones suggested an amusing pastime with names. It was to swap the first letter of the Christian name with the surname. This was when we had hours and hours of warm up and line up on Philips PC80 cameras. So I became Warry Bilkinson ?not very funny ! He became Jon Cones ?funny. Don Groom became Gron Doom?funny and John Chester became Con Jester?very funny. Then it was back to endless games of Canasta. Sent from my iPad 
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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 19 21:16:50 2022
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 03:16:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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We have a neighbour who is so nosey - every neighbourhood should have one as he?s the best security system - but a little annoying as he knows everything! so we know him as Spy49 but our neighbours know him as 11o?reef as he?s one better than Tenerife! Sara xx

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 06:46, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 11:33, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Presumably the programmes generated in those studios would be 'crap??
> 
> Camera Rocking Attachment, Pedestal
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Nov 20 03:58:41 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 09:58:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <1A97E811F39B4CD3B83043116646EA51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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John Staple, who was known as 'Dear God!' from his frequent utterings, 
was undoubtly a character.
I always enjoyed working with him, and recall a moment, midway through a 
VT recording from Riverside:

John suddenly announced: "Dear God! I need a pee - ah! think something 
sexy! /(Short pause)
/"That's better!"

Such a shame that he was killed in a light aircraft disaster in South 
Africa. I did hear that
the incident had suspicious undertones?

He was certainly one of those people who made our own lives more 
interesting.

Pat H

On 19/11/2022 17:16, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Not strictly on topic but .....
> John Staple whose outlandish/outrageous antics? we have all aired here 
> before included the obsessive ordering of mail order ?send no money 
> now? books (his loft at Claygate was literally full). He used many 
> false names for the purpose. Over time these became ever more extreme 
> and I recall, to cite just one, ?Miss Virgin Yesterday?. You would 
> think any supplier would spot that but no, I remember seeing the 
> address label on the arriving parcel.
> Dave Newbitt.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Nov 21 04:34:38 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:34:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Guide dogs
Message-ID: <fcefd1d4-f4d1-9560-b5cb-ec203f60042a@amps.net>

Some nice TV commercials looking for donations to Guide Dogs for the Blind.
I'm much in favour of supporting them.

But I had an unsavoury thought.
With many Councils requiring owners to clear up after their doggies, 
what about totally blind people
who probably cannot see where their animal has performed. Do they drop 
to their knees and grope
around on the ground?

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Nov 21 04:57:25 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:57:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Guide dogs
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Clearing up after your dog is part of the training when blind people are taught to work with a guide dog. The dogs are also trained to alert the owners when clearing up is required.

One of my best friends is totally blind, but although he has had a guide dog in the past, he now prefers to rely on his iPhone, smart watch  and a white stick. Dogs can?t follow Sat Nav instructions or tell you when you have reached a particular shop you?ve never visited before. He finds it much simpler to enter a destination and navigate with the help of the watch tapping his wrist to indicate where to turn left or right, together with his white stick to avoid bumping into people or street furniture.  

Incidentally, as he can?t see the screen, he turns the brightness to zero and one charge of the battery lasts for three days or more.

When I did a lot of work for the BBC disability unit, one blind contributer told a story about when he was in a strange town and asked for directions to a specific shop.  The person he asked kneeled down and helpfully explained to the dog that you go along this road, take the second left and it?s on the other side of the road next to the bank.

Alan

> On 21 Nov 2022, at 10:35, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Some nice TV commercials looking for donations to Guide Dogs for the Blind.
> I'm much in favour of supporting them.
> 
> But I had an unsavoury thought.
> With many Councils requiring owners to clear up after their doggies, what about totally blind people
> who probably cannot see where their animal has performed. Do they drop to their knees and grope
> around on the ground?
> 
> Pat H (trying to think practically!)
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Nov 21 05:33:12 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:33:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Guide dogs
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Thanks for that clarification, Alan. Love your end story - labs are very 
intelligent, but that takes the (dog) biscuit!

If I lost my sight, I would love a dog, would like one anyway, but would 
have to move, as the flat leases where I live,
forbids animals. Smuggled in a girlfriend's dog when they stayed for a 
weekend, though.

My other Guild (AMPS) wanted to support a charity, connected with sound, 
and settled on Hearing Dogs for Deaf Persons,
equipping a special school with some text display kit in their 
auditorium. (A sophisticated Autocue, in effect).
Sadly, the local authorities removed the funding to send deaf pupils 
there, and the school had to close, which was
a great shame.

The difference between Hearing and Blind assistence dogs is that the 
public are discouraged from talking
to the Guide dogs, so as not to distract them while working, whereas the 
Hearing Dogs are a means of creating
interaction with the deaf owners, so they are not excluded from social 
life. Quite the opposite, therefore.

I get on well with canine fourlegged ones, see photo of me at 4 years, 
not scared of them, making friends with
a foxhound at an IOW meet. (Dig the pixie hood coat!)

Pat H


On 21/11/2022 10:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Clearing up after your dog is part of the training when blind people 
> are taught to work with a guide dog. The dogs are also trained to 
> alert the owners when clearing up is required.
>
> One of my best friends is totally blind, but although he has had a 
> guide dog in the past, he now prefers to rely on his iPhone, smart 
> watch ?and a white stick. Dogs can?t follow Sat Nav instructions or 
> tell you when you have reached a particular shop you?ve never visited 
> before. He finds it much simpler to enter a destination and navigate 
> with the help of the watch tapping his wrist to indicate where to turn 
> left or right, together with his white stick to avoid bumping into 
> people or street furniture.
>
> Incidentally, as he can?t see the screen, he turns the brightness to 
> zero and one charge of the battery lasts for three days or more.
>
> When I did a lot of work for the BBC disability unit, one blind 
> contributer told a story about when he was in a strange town and asked 
> for directions to a specific shop. ?The person he asked kneeled down 
> and helpfully explained to the dog that you go along this road, take 
> the second left and it?s on the other side of the road next to the bank.
>
> Alan
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Nov 21 11:29:05 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:29:05 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.
Message-ID: <2E467EE0DB6A45D6AAC17ECB0253E43D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Cats, as they say, are the supreme opportunists. Here?s our pair upholding the claim.



Not the most technical of threads but I thought to maybe chance raising a smile rather than a brain-taxing topic.

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Nov 21 12:45:24 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:45:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.
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You can?t really blame them, but it might be worth explaining a bit of simple physics to them  - that part of it?s function is as a convector heater, and they are reducing its efficiency somewhat. In effect, diverting some of its thermal energy to other rooms!
We have two Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. They take a different approach, always wanting to be on your lap, thereby keeping you and themselves warm, and in doing so, enabling the room thermostat to be a couple of degrees lower!
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 21 Nov 2022, at 17:30, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Cats, as they say, are the supreme opportunists. Here?s our pair upholding the claim.

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Not the most technical of threads but I thought to maybe chance raising a smile rather than a brain-taxing topic.

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Nov 21 12:53:42 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:53:42 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.
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The black one might just grasp the concept, the tabby ? no chance.

Dave N.

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 6:45 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.

You can?t really blame them, but it might be worth explaining a bit of simple physics to them  - that part of it?s function is as a convector heater, and they are reducing its efficiency somewhat. In effect, diverting some of its thermal energy to other rooms! 
We have two Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. They take a different approach, always wanting to be on your lap, thereby keeping you and themselves warm, and in doing so, enabling the room thermostat to be a couple of degrees lower!

Cheers,
N. 
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From Waresound at msn.com  Mon Nov 21 13:21:33 2022
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:21:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.
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In the days when we had cats, we had a tabby just like yours, called Pepsi. Pepsi was intelligent, and brilliant at fetching mini tennis balls and dropping them at your feet to throw again, and again, and again??. Pepsi (and one of our Cavaliers) had a tragic end when a horrible neighbour insisted on (illegally) putting down industrial rat poison. The rats were only there because he threw out leftovers in his garden, from his Woking market fast-food stall.
We moved.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 21 Nov 2022, at 18:54, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

?
The black one might just grasp the concept, the tabby ? no chance.

Dave N.

From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 6:45 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.

You can?t really blame them, but it might be worth explaining a bit of simple physics to them  - that part of it?s function is as a convector heater, and they are reducing its efficiency somewhat. In effect, diverting some of its thermal energy to other rooms!
We have two Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. They take a different approach, always wanting to be on your lap, thereby keeping you and themselves warm, and in doing so, enabling the room thermostat to be a couple of degrees lower!
Cheers,
N.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Nov 21 14:00:22 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 20:00:22 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.
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That is a really distressing tale. So many people seem not to grasp the notion of suffering in animals being a direct parallel of suffering in humans. Back in the 1970?s Hilary had amongst her cats one who was shot at with pellets in both eyes and was blind in consequence. Somehow the poor creature found his way home, the vet removed the pellets but there was no hope of restoration of vision.
Remarkably he still had a full interest in life and learned to hunt effectively using other senses. Therein lies a key difference between animals and (most) humans ? they tend not to sit fretting but setting about adapting and coping, bearing no grudges. He finally distinguished himself by bringing home a Wryneck ? one of Britain?s rarest birds! 

Dave N.

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 7:21 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.

In the days when we had cats, we had a tabby just like yours, called Pepsi. Pepsi was intelligent, and brilliant at fetching mini tennis balls and dropping them at your feet to throw again, and again, and again??. Pepsi (and one of our Cavaliers) had a tragic end when a horrible neighbour insisted on (illegally) putting down industrial rat poison. The rats were only there because he threw out leftovers in his garden, from his Woking market fast-food stall.  
We moved.
Cheers,
Nick.


Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad


  On 21 Nov 2022, at 18:54, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:


  ? 
  The black one might just grasp the concept, the tabby ? no chance.

  Dave N.

  From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 6:45 PM
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.

  You can?t really blame them, but it might be worth explaining a bit of simple physics to them  - that part of it?s function is as a convector heater, and they are reducing its efficiency somewhat. In effect, diverting some of its thermal energy to other rooms! 
  We have two Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. They take a different approach, always wanting to be on your lap, thereby keeping you and themselves warm, and in doing so, enabling the room thermostat to be a couple of degrees lower!

  Cheers,
  N. 
  Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad


   


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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Mon Nov 21 17:08:45 2022
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 23:08:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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......which reminds me Graeme that during the World Cup Football in 
Dallas we had a strange 'roughness' to some of the commentary circuits, 
certain vowel sounds appeared distorted. With a flash of inspiration I 
suggested on the Tech. Conference that the circuits suffered from 
Circuit Related Audio Patterning.

This did not go down well in Dallas! I was reminded that I auditioned 
the codecs on a previous sporting event and gave them the OKay.


Hibou.


On 18/11/2022 11:45, Graeme Wall wrote:
>
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 11:33, Pat Heigham via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> Presumably the programmes generated in those studios would be 'crap??
> Camera Rocking Attachment, Pedestal
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
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From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:10:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:13:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Nov 22 03:36:03 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:36:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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Thinking of abbreviations, of which the Corporation was inordinately 
fond - I'm happy to refer to myself as an Old

Formerly Active Recording Technician!

Pat

On 22/11/2022 09:13, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> In fact, John, I think that your inspired title was /Content/ Related 
> Audio Patterning, rather than Circuit.
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 21 Nov 2022, at 23:09, John Howell via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> .......which reminds me Graeme that during the World Cup Football in 
>> Dallas we had a strange 'roughness' to some of the commentary 
>> circuits, certain vowel sounds appeared distorted. With a flash of 
>> inspiration I suggested on the Tech. Conference that the circuits 
>> suffered from Circuit Related Audio Patterning.
>>
>> This did not go down well in Dallas! I was reminded that I auditioned 
>> the codecs on a previous sporting event and gave them the OKay.
>>
>>
>> Hibou.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 22 06:42:23 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 12:42:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
Message-ID: <6b36d039-3ef9-09bc-db02-f5a72bd34675@btinternet.com>

I have just watched the most disgusting half-hour of television coverage 
of a State Occasion that I have eveer seen! The camerawork was truly 
appalling with whip pans, crash zooms in and out, random cuts and it was 
a disgrace. Whoever was responsible should be fired! Very upset, Dave.


From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue Nov 22 06:43:12 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 12:43:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <DEEDE68C-9C76-40D7-AF7C-C825EE6420D6@mac.com>
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My favourite is Engineering Information (External Inquiry) Officer.

Used to be a Mr. McDonald, I believe.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 22 Nov 2022, at 09:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In fact, John, I think that your inspired title was Content Related Audio Patterning, rather than Circuit. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>>> On 21 Nov 2022, at 23:09, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> .......which reminds me Graeme that during the World Cup Football in Dallas we had a strange 'roughness' to some of the commentary circuits, certain vowel sounds appeared distorted. With a flash of inspiration I suggested on the Tech. Conference that the circuits suffered from Circuit Related Audio Patterning.
>> 
>> This did not go down well in Dallas! I was reminded that I auditioned the codecs on a previous sporting event and gave them the OKay.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hibou.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 18/11/2022 11:45, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 11:33, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Presumably the programmes generated in those studios would be 'crap??
>>> Camera Rocking Attachment, Pedestal
>>> 
>>> ? 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 22 07:00:00 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 13:00:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <DEEDE68C-9C76-40D7-AF7C-C825EE6420D6@mac.com>
References: <d779fd8a-776d-d06d-b95e-f6f41df55527@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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Yes Mike, correct title and it was in Lillehammer.

	Barry.



On 22 Nov 2022, at 09:13, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> In fact, John, I think that your inspired title was Content Related Audio Patterning, rather than Circuit. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 21 Nov 2022, at 23:09, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> .......which reminds me Graeme that during the World Cup Football in Dallas we had a strange 'roughness' to some of the commentary circuits, certain vowel sounds appeared distorted. With a flash of inspiration I suggested on the Tech. Conference that the circuits suffered from Circuit Related Audio Patterning.
>> 
>> This did not go down well in Dallas! I was reminded that I auditioned the codecs on a previous sporting event and gave them the OKay.
>> 
>> 
>> Hibou.
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/11/2022 11:45, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 11:33, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Presumably the programmes generated in those studios would be 'crap??
>>> Camera Rocking Attachment, Pedestal
>>> 
>>> ? 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Nov 22 10:21:33 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:21:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
In-Reply-To: <6b36d039-3ef9-09bc-db02-f5a72bd34675@btinternet.com>
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Sounds as though you are also in a ?state?, Dave. Who was the visiting dignitary - we didn?t watch - we went to Worthing instead - a good leg-stretch, followed by over 60s fish and chips, enough for anyone, with ice cream and coffee included!

Mike G

> On 22 Nov 2022, at 12:42, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I have just watched the most disgusting half-hour of television coverage of a State Occasion that I have eveer seen! The camerawork was truly appalling with whip pans, crash zooms in and out, random cuts and it was a disgrace. Whoever was responsible should be fired! Very upset, Dave.
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Nov 22 10:25:43 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:25:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Tue Nov 22 10:43:08 2022
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:43:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
In-Reply-To: <90278FF4-8309-4B2D-A415-AF8418D06DFC@mac.com>
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Perhaps ?not a Prince ? Andrew was doing the camera now he was out of a day job, probably sat on his horse while doing it?

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Nov 2022, at 16:22, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Sounds as though you are also in a ?state?, Dave. Who was the visiting dignitary - we didn?t watch - we went to Worthing instead - a good leg-stretch, followed by over 60s fish and chips, enough for anyone, with ice cream and coffee included!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 22 Nov 2022, at 12:42, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I have just watched the most disgusting half-hour of television coverage of a State Occasion that I have eveer seen! The camerawork was truly appalling with whip pans, crash zooms in and out, random cuts and it was a disgrace. Whoever was responsible should be fired! Very upset, Dave.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Nov 22 10:44:13 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:44:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sobriquets
In-Reply-To: <64FC10D7-2CEC-4240-A117-0357E80AE1C9@me.com>
References: <DEEDE68C-9C76-40D7-AF7C-C825EE6420D6@mac.com>
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I think the job has been since farmed out to consutants?

> On 22 Nov 2022, at 12:43, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> My favourite is Engineering Information (External Inquiry) Officer.
> 
> Used to be a Mr. McDonald, I believe.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Nov 2022, at 09:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?In fact, John, I think that your inspired title was Content Related Audio Patterning, rather than Circuit. 
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>> On 21 Nov 2022, at 23:09, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? .......which reminds me Graeme that during the World Cup Football in Dallas we had a strange 'roughness' to some of the commentary circuits, certain vowel sounds appeared distorted. With a flash of inspiration I suggested on the Tech. Conference that the circuits suffered from Circuit Related Audio Patterning.
>>> This did not go down well in Dallas! I was reminded that I auditioned the codecs on a previous sporting event and gave them the OKay.
>>> 
>>> Hibou.
>>> 
>>> On 18/11/2022 11:45, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 11:33, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Presumably the programmes generated in those studios would be 'crap??
>>>>> 
>>>> Camera Rocking Attachment, Pedestal
>>>> 
>>>> ? 
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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? 
Graeme Wall




From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 22 10:50:20 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:50:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
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The President of South Africa, thousand troops, several military bands, 
carriage procession up the Mall, in other words the full works! I think 
OAP fish & Chips was the prferable alternative to the rubbish 
transmitted (same pictures on Sky News as well!), it made me feel 
ashamed comparing it with Trooping and such like. Sadly, Dave


From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Nov 22 12:24:56 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:24:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
In-Reply-To: <BE050EE5-E059-4045-ACFD-F01532C791DD@sky.com>
References: <90278FF4-8309-4B2D-A415-AF8418D06DFC@mac.com>
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Modesty prevents me from mentioning names ~ but having touched on royal connections, the King asked that the SS who did the Queen?s funeral should cover another project for which he (Charles) had already arranged dates. The unnamed individual could not accommodate the dates in question, so the King re-arranged the schedule!

Mike G 

> On 22 Nov 2022, at 16:43, B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps ?not a Prince ? Andrew was doing the camera now he was out of a day job, probably sat on his horse while doing it?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 22 Nov 2022, at 16:22, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Sounds as though you are also in a ?state?, Dave. Who was the visiting dignitary - we didn?t watch - we went to Worthing instead - a good leg-stretch, followed by over 60s fish and chips, enough for anyone, with ice cream and coffee included!
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>> On 22 Nov 2022, at 12:42, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I have just watched the most disgusting half-hour of television coverage of a State Occasion that I have eveer seen! The camerawork was truly appalling with whip pans, crash zooms in and out, random cuts and it was a disgrace. Whoever was responsible should be fired! Very upset, Dave.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Nov 22 12:44:47 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:44:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
In-Reply-To: <90278FF4-8309-4B2D-A415-AF8418D06DFC@mac.com>
References: <6b36d039-3ef9-09bc-db02-f5a72bd34675@btinternet.com>
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Watched the lunchtime news, but no mention of State visit.

Worthing - obviously some advantage to getting old, which reminds me:

There was a large billboard at Newhaven announcing: "Newhaven for the 
Continent"
(it being a ferry port)

Underneath, someone had graffitied:
" and Eastbourne for the incontinent"!

Pat



On 22/11/2022 16:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:

> Sounds as though you are also in a ?state?, Dave. Who was the visiting dignitary - we didn?t watch - we went to Worthing instead - a good leg-stretch, followed by over 60s fish and chips, enough for anyone, with ice cream and coffee included!
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 22 Nov 2022, at 12:42, dave.mdv via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> ?I have just watched the most disgusting half-hour of television coverage of a State Occasion that I have eveer seen! The camerawork was truly appalling with whip pans, crash zooms in and out, random cuts and it was a disgrace. Whoever was responsible should be fired! Very upset, Dave.
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 12:59:38 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:59:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
In-Reply-To: <90278FF4-8309-4B2D-A415-AF8418D06DFC@mac.com>
References: <6b36d039-3ef9-09bc-db02-f5a72bd34675@btinternet.com>
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 16:22, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sounds as though you are also in a ?state?, Dave. Who was the visiting dignitary

President of South Africa

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63711177


From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Tue Nov 22 16:51:37 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:51:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
Message-ID: <799CAFEC-81FC-4E19-B0D9-E3F99543E189@zero51.force9.co.uk>

So... The Coronation is now not on Saturday 6th May?

Peter Fox

On 22 Nov 2022, at 19:00, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 16:22, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Sounds as though you are also in a ?state?, Dave. Who was the visiting dignitary

President of South Africa

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63711177

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Nov 23 05:04:02 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 11:04:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
In-Reply-To: <C08BC208-B551-4340-A553-74E48E2DEC7E@mac.com>
References: <90278FF4-8309-4B2D-A415-AF8418D06DFC@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <895774d5-cb6c-ee16-a731-960f3bfe1b6a@amps.net>

I wonder if said SS can put 'By Appointment to His Majesty CIIIR' on his 
letterhead?


On 22/11/2022 18:24, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> Modesty prevents me from mentioning names ~ but having touched on royal connections, the King asked that the SS who did the Queen?s funeral should cover another project for which he (Charles) had already arranged dates. The unnamed individual could not accommodate the dates in question, so the King re-arranged the schedule!
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 22 Nov 2022, at 16:43, B Wilkinson<barry-wilkinson at sky.com>  wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps ?not a Prince ? Andrew was doing the camera now he was out of a day job, probably sat on his horse while doing it?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Nov 23 06:16:11 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 12:16:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News - State Visit 1200-1230
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Sometimes it?s easier to move the mountain.
No connection with Royalty, but I?m reminded of an incident that occurred on a 60 Minutes shoot. We were covering a military incident where Israeli troops and tanks were poised ready to push forward into the Gaza Strip. Standing right next to us was a very senior Israeli military gentleman. Our cameraman said to him quite casually ?Such a pity the tanks aren?t coming from over there rather than where they are at the moment. Those hills would make a much better background.? Whereupon, the the order was issued for them to withdraw and come forward to suit the camera! True story.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> Modesty prevents me from mentioning names ~ but having touched on royal connections, the King asked that the SS who did the Queen?s funeral should cover another project for which he (Charles) had already arranged dates. The unnamed individual could not accommodate the dates in question, so the King re-arranged the schedule!
>> 
>> Mike G 

From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Nov 23 07:34:53 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 13:34:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?b?V2hhdOKAmXMgdGhpcyBmb3I/?=
Message-ID: <7C72BC66-D134-421B-A4B6-B51007A26C92@me.com>

I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.  

Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.

I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do. 

When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Nov 23 07:56:17 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 13:56:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?b?V2hhdOKAmXMgdGhpcyBmb3I/?=
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At a guess, maybe an installation tool/guide, to position the gears if 
your fingers are not small enough?

Intrigued and fascinated to know what you need tiny motors for?

I'm reminded of my car electric wing mirror that got buggered by a 
pigeon colliding having not gained
enough height. A very small 2mm plastic lug was broken off a drive gear, 
necessitating a whole new mirror
motor assembly at ?40!

Pat

On 23/11/2022 13:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.
>
> Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.
>
> I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do.
>
> When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Nov 23 08:45:16 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 14:45:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.
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I could well be accused of being somewhat extreme in my views, but I 
should like to think that justice should be meted out along the lines of 
G & S's Mikado:

/"The punishment fit the crime"/ Thus when the perpetrators are caught, 
have the same thing administered to them as they caused the poor animals 
to suffer.

And make it public - new Saturday evening TV! For a time, executions by 
guillotine were a popular form of entertainment that attracted great 
crowds of spectators,
with vendors selling programs listing the names of the condemned. (Well, 
the Tricoteuses sat beside the guillotine 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine> during public executions, 
supposedly continuing to knit.
The performances of the Tricoteuses were particularly intense during the 
Reign of Terror <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror>.)

/My object all sublime//
//I shall achieve in time ?//
//To let the punishment fit the crime ?//
//The punishment fit the crime;//
//And make each prisoner pent//
//Unwillingly represent//
//A source of innocent merriment!//
//Of innocent merriment!/


On 21/11/2022 20:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> That is a really distressing tale. So many people seem not to grasp 
> the notion of suffering in animals being a direct parallel of 
> suffering in humans. Back in the 1970?s Hilary had amongst her cats 
> one who was shot at with pellets in both eyes and was blind in 
> consequence. Somehow the poor creature found his way home, the vet 
> removed the pellets but there was no hope of restoration of vision.
> Remarkably he still had a full interest in life and learned to hunt 
> effectively using other senses. Therein lies a key difference between 
> animals and (most) humans ? they tend not to sit fretting but setting 
> about adapting and coping, bearing no grudges. He finally 
> distinguished himself by bringing home a Wryneck ? one of Britain?s 
> rarest birds!
> Dave N.
> *From:* Nick Ware via Tech1
> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2022 7:21 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Winter's comin' on.
> In the days when we had cats, we had a tabby just like yours, called 
> Pepsi. Pepsi was intelligent, and brilliant at fetching mini tennis 
> balls and dropping them at your feet to throw again, and again, and 
> again??. Pepsi (and one of our Cavaliers) had a tragic end when a 
> horrible neighbour insisted on (illegally) putting down industrial rat 
> poison. The rats were only there because he threw out leftovers in his 
> garden, from his Woking market fast-food stall.
> We moved.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Nov 23 09:08:42 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 15:08:42 +0000
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The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why!
I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.

Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.

I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do.

When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.

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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Wed Nov 23 09:56:32 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 15:56:32 +0000
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I would suggest the yellow disc is to push the gear wheels onto their shafts without damaging them.

Hugh 

> On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why!
> I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.  
>> 
>> Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.
>> 
>> I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do. 
>> 
>> When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alan
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Nov 23 10:47:40 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 16:47:40 +0000
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Well so far, I think Hugh is probably along the right lines.  I didn?t include it in the photo, but there is a second plain yellow disk which doesn?t have a slot, but does have a boss with a blind hole in the middle, which is a clearance size hole for the axles, while most of the gears have push-fit sized holes.  An axle could slip into the hole and the disk could be used to force the axle through a gear supported by the slotted disk.  I had intended to make a little wooden jig and to use he jaws of a vice to force the axles through the gears, but might not need to bother now.

The rounded circumference does suggest that it?s designed to be kind to the hands if you use a lot of force.  The fact that those two items are yellow and every other part is white does fit in with it being a fitting tool. However none of that explains why there is a square recess as part of the slot. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to make that recess and I?m at a loss to work out why it?s there.

Nick, it?s definitely a proper motor. With 3V across it, it runs at enormous speed and almost silently too. No vibration at all. I?m astonished at just how tiny it is.  

Pat, as for what the project is, I?ll post a picture shortly.

Alan



> On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:57, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I would suggest the yellow disc is to push the gear wheels onto their shafts without damaging them.
> 
> Hugh 
> 
>>> On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why!
>> I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.  
>>> 
>>> Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.
>>> 
>>> I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do. 
>>> 
>>> When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Wed Nov 23 11:34:54 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 17:34:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?b?V2hhdOKAmXMgdGhpcyBmb3I/?=
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Comfirmed

On 23 November 2022, at 16:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Well so far, I think Hugh is probably along the right lines. ?I didn?t include it in the photo, but there is a second plain yellow disk which doesn?t have a slot, but does have a boss with a blind hole in the middle, which is a clearance size hole for the axles, while most of the gears have push-fit sized holes. ?An axle could slip into the hole and the disk could be used to force the axle through a gear supported by the slotted disk. ?I had intended to make a little wooden jig and to use he jaws of a vice to force the axles through the gears, but might not need to bother now.


The rounded circumference does suggest that it?s designed to be kind to the hands if you use a lot of force. ?The fact that those two items are yellow and every other part is white does fit in with it being a fitting tool. However none of that explains why there is a square recess as part of the slot. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to make that recess and I?m at a loss to work out why it?s there.


Nick, it?s definitely a proper motor. With 3V across it, it runs at enormous speed and almost silently too. No vibration at all. I?m astonished at just how tiny it is. ?


Pat, as for what the project is, I?ll post a picture shortly.


Alan




On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:57, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I would suggest the yellow disc is to push the gear wheels onto their shafts without damaging them.


Hugh?


On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 

The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why! 

I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
Cheers,

Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad


On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 

I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.? I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.? However I?m puzzled by one item.? 

Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?? There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.

I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do. 

When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.

? 



? 



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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Nov 25 13:40:16 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 19:40:16 +0000
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Alan, here are two that I have. You?re welcome to them if they are any use to you. Both run fast on an AA batt. Thin one is 4mm diameter. That?s a cog on the fatter one, which may or may not fit yours. Pic taken on this iPad mini 6.
Cheers,
Nick.
[image0.jpeg]

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:08, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:

? The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why!
I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.

Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.

I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do.

When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.

[image0.jpeg]


[image1.jpeg]


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From jackieshorey at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 25 15:21:56 2022
From: jackieshorey at hotmail.com (Jackie Shorey)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:21:56 +0000
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Hello guys!
This is Jackie Shorey, the late Len Shorey (sound superviser)'s daughter!

Did you ever work with Len?

I'm intrigued that I have somehow gatecrashed your conversation, although it's just the thing my dad would have loved - and helped with if he could!

I hope you are able to help each other out and send you my warmest wishes

Jackie x
________________________________
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 25 November 2022 19:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What?s this for?

Alan, here are two that I have. You?re welcome to them if they are any use to you. Both run fast on an AA batt. Thin one is 4mm diameter. That?s a cog on the fatter one, which may or may not fit yours. Pic taken on this iPad mini 6.
Cheers,
Nick.
[image0.jpeg]

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:08, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:

? The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why!
I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.

Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.

I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do.

When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.

[image0.jpeg]


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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Nov 25 15:48:20 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:48:20 +0000
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Hi Jackie,

You haven?t gatecrashed in any way at all.

People here chat about all manner of things, anything from discussions of vintage equipment to moaning about shows on the telly last night.  Along the way we talk about all sorts of random topics and reminisce about people who we worked with. It?s a bit like how people used to hang out in the TVC bar at lunchtime.  Sometimes talking shop, sometimes gossiping and sometimes discussing DIY or fixing cars.

I?m from OBs, so never actually worked with Len and only met him socially, but obviously everybody in Tech Ops knew of his legendary reputation.  I?m sure you are very proud to be his daughter and quite right to be proud too. Top bloke in every sense of the phrase.

If you have any stories to tell about Len, we would love to hear them and they would later be archived for many years to come. Often when somebody tells one story, others will remember a subsequent story and a more detailed picture emerges.

All the best

Alan


> On 25 Nov 2022, at 21:22, Jackie Shorey via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hello guys!
> This is Jackie Shorey, the late Len Shorey (sound superviser)'s daughter!
> 
> Did you ever work with Len?
> 
> I'm intrigued that I have somehow gatecrashed your conversation, although it's just the thing my dad would have loved - and helped with if he could!
> 
> I hope you are able to help each other out and send you my warmest wishes
> 
> Jackie x
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 25 November 2022 19:40
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What?s this for?
>  
> Alan, here are two that I have. You?re welcome to them if they are any use to you. Both run fast on an AA batt. Thin one is 4mm diameter. That?s a cog on the fatter one, which may or may not fit yours. Pic taken on this iPad mini 6.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:08, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why!
>> I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.  
>>> 
>>> Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.
>>> 
>>> I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do. 
>>> 
>>> When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alan
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 16:31:10 2022
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Nov 25 16:31:28 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 22:31:28 +0000
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I echo Alan's sentiments, Jackie. Len was not only a legendary sound mixer, but also one of the nicest guys you could wish to meet and only too willing to share his technique with others, but it was difficult in the extreme to match his flair.

Others will have better recollection than I do of an incident which involved a sliding window between the sound and production galleries ~ cue the official version!

Mike G


> On 25 Nov 2022, at 21:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jackie,
> 
> You haven?t gatecrashed in any way at all.
> 
> People here chat about all manner of things, anything from discussions of vintage equipment to moaning about shows on the telly last night.  Along the way we talk about all sorts of random topics and reminisce about people who we worked with. It?s a bit like how people used to hang out in the TVC bar at lunchtime.  Sometimes talking shop, sometimes gossiping and sometimes discussing DIY or fixing cars.
> 
> I?m from OBs, so never actually worked with Len and only met him socially, but obviously everybody in Tech Ops knew of his legendary reputation.  I?m sure you are very proud to be his daughter and quite right to be proud too. Top bloke in every sense of the phrase.
> 
> If you have any stories to tell about Len, we would love to hear them and they would later be archived for many years to come. Often when somebody tells one story, others will remember a subsequent story and a more detailed picture emerges.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 25 Nov 2022, at 21:22, Jackie Shorey via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hello guys!
>> This is Jackie Shorey, the late Len Shorey (sound superviser)'s daughter!
>> 
>> Did you ever work with Len?
>> 
>> I'm intrigued that I have somehow gatecrashed your conversation, although it's just the thing my dad would have loved - and helped with if he could!
>> 
>> I hope you are able to help each other out and send you my warmest wishes
>> 
>> Jackie x
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: 25 November 2022 19:40
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What?s this for?
>>  
>> Alan, here are two that I have. You?re welcome to them if they are any use to you. Both run fast on an AA batt. Thin one is 4mm diameter. That?s a cog on the fatter one, which may or may not fit yours. Pic taken on this iPad mini 6.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:08, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why!
>>> I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.  
>>>> 
>>>> Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.
>>>> 
>>>> I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do. 
>>>> 
>>>> When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.
>>>> 
>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Nov 25 16:43:38 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 22:43:38 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?b?V2hhdOKAmXMgdGhpcyBmb3I/?=
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I?m sure Jackie you must have heard many times from many people just how liked, admired, respected and sought after your father was. A real Londoner, Arsenal man to his boots, a natural leader (being that tall was no hindrance!) and professionally a sound mixer who could wring every last drop of excitement from a band in full cry. I recall the phrase ?too much of everything?!

He was an absolute delight to work with, always seemed to see the best in the crews assigned to his shows and someone you could never forget if you had, as I had, the pleasure of working with him over many years. As Alan said, you must be proud of him and have every right to be. For me, a pleasure to find the memories stirred again by your post.

Kindest regards,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Jackie Shorey via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2022 9:21 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Nick Ware 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What?s this for?

Hello guys!

This is Jackie Shorey, the late Len Shorey (sound superviser)'s daughter!

Did you ever work with Len?


I'm intrigued that I have somehow gatecrashed your conversation, although it's just the thing my dad would have loved - and helped with if he could!

I hope you are able to help each other out and send you my warmest wishes

Jackie x


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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 25 November 2022 19:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What?s this for? 

Alan, here are two that I have. You?re welcome to them if they are any use to you. Both run fast on an AA batt. Thin one is 4mm diameter. That?s a cog on the fatter one, which may or may not fit yours. Pic taken on this iPad mini 6. 
Cheers,
Nick.



Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad


  On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:08, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:


  ? The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why! 
  I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
  Cheers,
  Nick.

  Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad


    On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    ? 
    I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.  

    Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.

    I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do. 

    When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.


     



     


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From jackieshorey at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 26 04:17:41 2022
From: jackieshorey at hotmail.com (Jackie Shorey)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 10:17:41 +0000
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Wow chaps!
Thank you so much for your lovely messages.
You've really made my day.
I will be sure to pass on to my mum (Rose - going strong at 88!) and my brother Tony.
With warmest wishes
Jackie x
PS Apologies for spelling supervisor wrong. I am truly ashamed, especially since I'm an editor by trade.
Dad: forgive me!

________________________________
From: Jackie Shorey <jackieshorey at hotmail.com>
Sent: 25 November 2022 21:21
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>; Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What?s this for?

Hello guys!
This is Jackie Shorey, the late Len Shorey (sound superviser)'s daughter!

Did you ever work with Len?

I'm intrigued that I have somehow gatecrashed your conversation, although it's just the thing my dad would have loved - and helped with if he could!

I hope you are able to help each other out and send you my warmest wishes

Jackie x
________________________________
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 25 November 2022 19:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What?s this for?

Alan, here are two that I have. You?re welcome to them if they are any use to you. Both run fast on an AA batt. Thin one is 4mm diameter. That?s a cog on the fatter one, which may or may not fit yours. Pic taken on this iPad mini 6.
Cheers,
Nick.
[image0.jpeg]

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 23 Nov 2022, at 15:08, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:

? The yellow disc looks very familiar to me, but at the moment I?m not sure why!
I would hazard a guess that the motor is the buzzer that you would find in older mobile phones. It would have an eccentric weight to generate the vibration, and would be even smaller in an iPhone, etc. That?s unless they?ve invented a better way - I haven?t had a phone apart lately.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad

On 23 Nov 2022, at 13:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?ve got a project where I needed some tiny geared motors.  I bought a pack of miscellaneous gears and pulleys via eBay and they?re just what I need.  However I?m puzzled by one item.

Here?s a picture of a few gears, but what do you reckon the yellow disk with the slot is intended for?  There is a square recess either side of the middle section of the slot, but nothing seems to obviously fit it. The other side is smooth and the circumference is nicely rounded.

I?m not worried if it turns out to be a useless scrap of yellow plastic, but am curious about what it might have been intended to do.

When I say the motor is tiny, it?s 6mm diameter and 10mm long.

[image0.jpeg]


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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 09:46:02 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 15:46:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] "The BBC"
Message-ID: <fba0698e-8df8-3c81-dad0-2846a78b8c36@gmail.com>

Hi,

I have been reading David Hendy's history of "The BBC".? The last third 
or so is an exposition of how politicians of all colours and vested 
commercial interests have tried and tried to kill off the BBC one way or 
another.? This is a bit of contrast to the first part of the book which 
looks at the development of the technology as well as the development of 
the BBC itself.

There are a number of omissions in David's book which immediately spring 
to mind (and you will probably have your own lists!)

CEEFAX - an amazing innovation - of its own time, of course - but which 
led to thousands of people turning to their television sets to go 
"on-line" - or really "off-air" - to get up-to-date information on 
tickets, travel, troubles, tax? or whatever. This translated naturally 
over to use of the various web sites as they were developed.? I suggest 
that CEEFAX demonstrated to the populace the benefits of some instant 
information provision.

The Radiophonic Workshop - again, amazingly innovative, but no mention 
in the book.? Doctor Who gets a mention, bur not its music!

BBC Research and Development - barely mentioned but was again very 
innovative.? What was more, R&D welcomed ideas from anyone, it wasn't a 
closed shop.? I submitted an idea for a single tube colour television 
pickup tube back in 64-ish: alas they turned it down, as it was based on 
old technology and would have been tricky (but NOT impossible) to 
manufacture. And in my last job - consultant for configuration 
management - I was back at TC with R&D - alas, now sold off to some 
company with no feeling for the job? -? in the very late 1990s working 
with R&D and BBC USA in the development of a video streaming protocol.

Digital Television - apart from the growth of the streaming services, 
doesn't really get a look in - but that has changed the viewer's 
experience beyond all measure.? Flat screen Telly - why how we joked 
about that in the 1960s....High Definition Telly - ditto! But these 
innovations have made an altogether different experience for the viewer 
- especially when allied to developments in sound and the soundscape 
that viewers experience.


You lists welcomed!

Best regards,

Alec


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From philiptyler at me.com  Sat Nov 26 10:20:29 2022
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 16:20:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Home automation.
Message-ID: <06279450-F893-49C2-BFD7-273603630172@me.com>

I have been looking for a replacement timer for our lounge light. It was an aged clockwork one, so completely useless if you had a power cut.

I ended up with the Tapo TP100, a plug/socket combination with a 2.4 GHz wifi receiver in it.

Like all things in life now there?s an app for it, called erm.. Tapo.

You initially connect to it via Bluetooth and then it goes off and finds your 2.4 GHz wifi. Setup was pretty easygoing.

Once set can have various timer modes. The sunset or sunrise settings are for the location of your phone by the way!

You can set any number of on and off times and what days as well. There is also an ?away? setting where you can set a start and end time and it will randomly switch the connected device on and off.

They also do LED bayonet and ES bulbs which offer the same function and also dimmable.

There are cameras in the range as well.

I have been running the lounge floor lamp off one for a while and it doesn?t get hot. Any loss of power and it will automatically reconnect and carry on as if nothing happened.

So while away in some far flung corner of the world, I can happily turn a light on and off at home with a tap on the phone screen :))

A single TP100 is just under ?10.

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Nov 26 12:22:16 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 18:22:16 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] "The BBC"
In-Reply-To: <fba0698e-8df8-3c81-dad0-2846a78b8c36@gmail.com>
References: <fba0698e-8df8-3c81-dad0-2846a78b8c36@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6364875C4D54DC0A0242F058CDB62EB@Gigabyte>

This is an amazing video on YouTube all about Ceefax hosted by Angela Ripon.
It contains some great shots of what went into producing Ceefax with all the old hardware (keyboards?) and software.
Well worth a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICoj8mxG0ww


These 2 appeared yesterday. Ah back to my Ferrograph days doing sound at school and how a VT suite used to look ? enjoy!

Mike

From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 3:46 PM
To: Tech Ops 
Subject: [Tech1] "The BBC"

Hi,

I have been reading David Hendy's history of "The BBC".  The last third or so is an exposition of how politicians of all colours and vested commercial interests have tried and tried to kill off the BBC one way or another.  This is a bit of contrast to the first part of the book which looks at the development of the technology as well as the development of the BBC itself.

There are a number of omissions in David's book which immediately spring to mind (and you will probably have your own lists!)

CEEFAX - an amazing innovation - of its own time, of course - but which led to thousands of people turning to their television sets to go "on-line" - or really "off-air" - to get up-to-date information on tickets, travel, troubles, tax  or whatever. This translated naturally over to use of the various web sites as they were developed.  I suggest that CEEFAX demonstrated to the populace the benefits of some instant information provision.


The Radiophonic Workshop - again, amazingly innovative, but no mention in the book.  Doctor Who gets a mention, bur not its music!

BBC Research and Development - barely mentioned but was again very innovative.  What was more, R&D welcomed ideas from anyone, it wasn't a closed shop.  I submitted an idea for a single tube colour television pickup tube back in 64-ish: alas they turned it down, as it was based on old technology and would have been tricky (but NOT impossible) to manufacture. And in my last job - consultant for configuration management - I was back at TC with R&D - alas, now sold off to some company with no feeling for the job  -  in the very late 1990s working with R&D and BBC USA in the development of a video streaming protocol.

Digital Television - apart from the growth of the streaming services, doesn't really get a look in - but that has changed the viewer's experience beyond all measure.  Flat screen Telly - why how we joked about that in the 1960s....High Definition Telly - ditto! But these innovations have made an altogether different experience for the viewer - especially when allied to developments in sound and the soundscape that viewers experience.




You lists welcomed!

Best regards,

Alec

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Nov 26 14:49:26 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 20:49:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Home automation.
In-Reply-To: <06279450-F893-49C2-BFD7-273603630172@me.com>
References: <06279450-F893-49C2-BFD7-273603630172@me.com>
Message-ID: <169645B8-C3F6-43C3-B7BE-F72592819AA1@me.com>

I?ve got some comparable smart sockets made by Meross and some very cheap branded ones.  It was good to use an app to control them, but they really came into their own once I used home automation to control them.  I used Homekit, but I would assume that the same ideas are possible using other automation platforms.

As some of the lights are in different rooms, I set up an automation for bedtime, which turns on the living room lamp for a minute, a kitchen lamp for two minutes and a bedroom lamp for four minutes.  We can take teacups back to the kitchen and go upstairs to bed without bothering with light switches, which is handy if you?re carrying stuff.  At the end of four minutes, it switches off every smart socket so that things like the HiFi are turned off even if they had been left on.

The other useful automation is to switch on a light in the kitchen for a couple of minutes just before one of us arrives home while it?s dark ( it senses when you?re within range of the WiFi ).  No fumbling around in the dark feeling for the light switch.  There?s also an automation to turn it on for a minute when we are leaving the house. I changed the automations to turning lights on for a finite time after discovering the lights left on one night after I first drove to a neighbour's house and then past my house, the lights came on and stayed on.  At any time you can also use voice commands such as telling it to switch on the desk light or turn off the HiFi.

The big advantage of the automation is that it?s done by stuff I already have and makes better use of the smart switches I bought. My project for next summer is to build smart water switches which will control the garden micro irrigation systems.  At the moment, they come on and off every day at preset times, but I should be able to make them operate only when it hasn?t rained.  HomeKit supports checking the local online weather forecast and then making other actions conditional on what the weather is expected to be. For instance cancelling watering if significant rain expected, but giving longer watering during a heatwave or during June when the strawberry plants need extra water.  Any other times it will water for the normal duration during dry weather.

During the summer I had a fan on the bedroom windowsill with an automation which checked the weather forecast and if the temperature was above a certain point, it switched on the fan during the early evening to suck hot air out of the bedroom so that it wouldn?t be too hot at bed time. It switched off automatically whenever we triggered the ?off to bed? automation which progressively turned on lamps as we made our way to bed.

Alan



> On 26 Nov 2022, at 16:21, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I have been looking for a replacement timer for our lounge light. It was an aged clockwork one, so completely useless if you had a power cut.
> 
> I ended up with the Tapo TP100, a plug/socket combination with a 2.4 GHz wifi receiver in it.
> 
> Like all things in life now there?s an app for it, called erm.. Tapo.
> 
> You initially connect to it via Bluetooth and then it goes off and finds your 2.4 GHz wifi. Setup was pretty easygoing.
> 
> Once set can have various timer modes. The sunset or sunrise settings are for the location of your phone by the way!
> 
> You can set any number of on and off times and what days as well. There is also an ?away? setting where you can set a start and end time and it will randomly switch the connected device on and off.
> 
> They also do LED bayonet and ES bulbs which offer the same function and also dimmable.
> 
> There are cameras in the range as well.
> 
> I have been running the lounge floor lamp off one for a while and it doesn?t get hot. Any loss of power and it will automatically reconnect and carry on as if nothing happened.
> 
> So while away in some far flung corner of the world, I can happily turn a light on and off at home with a tap on the phone screen :))
> 
> A single TP100 is just under ?10.
> 
> Philip and Bee
> 
> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
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From plowmandave44 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 07:47:27 2022
From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 13:47:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Satellite F plugs.
Message-ID: <efd4f0fa-62b2-9bc8-19de-4a08e61a3d48@gmail.com>

TV in the kitchen is mounted on a wall arm - this allows me to watch it 
when cooking and move it to watch when eating. I've just replaced the 
set, and the new one came with a satellite tuner, which being a nerd 
wanted to get working, even if little used. Mainly to view the BBC local 
news from my home town.

Cabling to the TV consists of mains, HDMI, UHF aerial, audio out, and 
now satellite. Internet is fine via Wi-Fi. Because of the bending, I 
used some ultra flexible video cable for the short UHF cable from wall 
outlet to TV which works fine, despite being the wrong cable. And using 
F to Belling Lee adaptors, the satellite also works with the same cable.

But. The adaptors look clumsy, as the wall outlet is very much on view.

So. Does anyone know of an F connector that fits a cable with a stranded 
centre core? Or would it make more sense to change to a BNC? That would 
be a last resort as the wall panel is custom made.


From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 11:35:32 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 17:35:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Blue street lights
Message-ID: <01F31958-D8BC-4E48-942D-0EDBCB354596@gmail.com>


Near where I live we have two street lights that a few months ago were modified to cast a blue streak across the road below them (see photo). This causes a blue flash when you pass under them in your car and  my guess is that it?s an attempt at traffic calming. I?ve not seen them elsewhere and I?m wondering if any of you have or can offer an alternative explanation as to what they are for?
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Nov 27 14:11:07 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:11:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Satellite F plugs.
In-Reply-To: <efd4f0fa-62b2-9bc8-19de-4a08e61a3d48@gmail.com>
References: <efd4f0fa-62b2-9bc8-19de-4a08e61a3d48@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7BFC0128-6BF4-4D8B-A1BC-CE77F0B79837@me.com>

We?ve got a TV with a satellite tuner mounted on a double extension swing arm, so that it can pivot over a very wide range.  I decided to use a pre-made F type lead because it looks so much neater than terminating cables myself, even though I have a proper compression tool for fitting F types and a big reel of suitable cable.

The cable I used has a solid core and the arm is moved daily. There have been no issues with the cable failing.  I did make sure that there is no flexing at the end of the connector, only in the middle of the cable.  The cable is fastened to the arms with a little bit of slack where the hinges are.

I got my leads from CPC, but you can get thin looking ones on eBay quite cheaply.  This is a typical example -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/372880590013?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=7101533165274578&mkcid=2&itemid=372880590013&targetid=4585169652812020&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=412354547&mkgroupid=1305120599331881&rlsatarget=pla-4585169652812020&abcId=9300541&merchantid=87779&msclkid=048c98200efd11259f12fba3ceb0ba45

Alan

> On 27 Nov 2022, at 13:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?TV in the kitchen is mounted on a wall arm - this allows me to watch it when cooking and move it to watch when eating. I've just replaced the set, and the new one came with a satellite tuner, which being a nerd wanted to get working, even if little used. Mainly to view the BBC local news from my home town.
> 
> Cabling to the TV consists of mains, HDMI, UHF aerial, audio out, and now satellite. Internet is fine via Wi-Fi. Because of the bending, I used some ultra flexible video cable for the short UHF cable from wall outlet to TV which works fine, despite being the wrong cable. And using F to Belling Lee adaptors, the satellite also works with the same cable.
> 
> But. The adaptors look clumsy, as the wall outlet is very much on view.
> 
> So. Does anyone know of an F connector that fits a cable with a stranded centre core? Or would it make more sense to change to a BNC? That would be a last resort as the wall panel is custom made.
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Nov 28 06:59:23 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:59:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is anybody using a HomePod?
Message-ID: <697690D0-788F-4AD4-9963-8C12A0F8CEE5@me.com>

If there is anybody using an Apple HomePod, can they check for me whether a particular radio station can be streamed in the UK? It?s the local radio station my wife used to listen to and of course it broadcasts all the local news.

The station is MDR Th?ringen Erfurt

According to the TuneIn site, it is supported, but not in this region, however streaming directly from their site onto a browser on a computer or smartphone works perfectly in the UK.

Apple tech support were very helpful, but ultimately it boiled down to ?Dunno, but if you buy one and it won?t do that, you can send it back for a full refund?. It?s a bit of a trek to the nearest Apple Store to try it in person, so I wondered if there was anybody who could check whether it really works or not?

Thanks in advance

Alan



From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Nov 28 08:16:20 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:16:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is anybody using a HomePod?
In-Reply-To: <15288af2-ddba-c482-7920-54090a452577@amps.net>
References: <15288af2-ddba-c482-7920-54090a452577@amps.net>
Message-ID: <1643C106-C906-4232-B74D-5CF9BB8E2ACE@me.com>

Yes Pat,   it can be received by an iPhone and in turn played via Bluetooth, but the idea is to have the HomePod playing the station by itself, irrespective of what the phone is doing, or if it?s in the same room. 

Think of it working like a radio alarm clock.  It?s no good if the radio switches on automatically but needs a phone to also be switched on and to run an app before you hear anything.

Alan



> On 28 Nov 2022, at 14:04, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Alan,
> 
> Can't help regarding HomePod, but I had a play with getting that station on my Amazon Fire tablet.
> 
> The latter will Bluetooth connect to a Bose Soundlink Mini, which affords a listen.
> 
> However the stream kept pausing, but as the language is German, I'm at a loss as to what
> I should click on.
> 
> But if you can receive it on a smartphone, the latter might Bluetooth link?
> 
> Best of luck
> 
> Pat
> 
> On 28/11/2022 12:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> If there is anybody using an Apple HomePod, can they check for me whether a particular radio station can be streamed in the UK? It?s the local radio station my wife used to listen to and of course it broadcasts all the local news.
>> 
>> The station is MDR Th?ringen Erfurt
>> 
>> According to the TuneIn site, it is supported, but not in this region, however streaming directly from their site onto a browser on a computer or smartphone works perfectly in the UK.
>> 
>> Apple tech support were very helpful, but ultimately it boiled down to ?Dunno, but if you buy one and it won?t do that, you can send it back for a full refund?. It?s a bit of a trek to the nearest Apple Store to try it in person, so I wondered if there was anybody who could check whether it really works or not?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
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