From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun May 1 04:10:33 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:10:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT Message-ID: <626e4e89.1c69fb81.688fd.16ad@mx.google.com> I confess to being a slave to BGT. I love the useless acts, when they get ?gonged? out! But sometimes there?s a really good act that holds one?s attention. Last night, an acrobatic act that was striking and used a background video presentation. There seemed to be a huge screen at the back of the stage, and having shot there, I know how big it is. Does anyone know if there is such a large electronic screen in existence? I don?t think it was back projection. (It?s repeated today, Sunday, on ITV2 at 12.35) Maybe worth a look. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun May 1 04:39:55 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 01 May 2022 10:39:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: <626e4e89.1c69fb81.688fd.16ad@mx.google.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun May 1 04:49:41 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 10:49:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: References: <626e4e89.1c69fb81.688fd.16ad@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <626e57b6.1c69fb81.8779a.030d@mx.google.com> Thanks, Paul. I was impressed with the size of it! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Paul Thackray Sent: 01 May 2022 10:39 To: patheigham; Tech 1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT Hi Pat, These are very unlikely to be BP these days they waste far too much space with throw lengths and would need to be very bright.? LED walls are the norm. These come in sections which bolt together along with metal work to stabilise and keep them upright. Usually a group of labour's arrive to carry it all in and assembled it.(And the reverse for the strike) LED walls have gradually become better resolutions you can get 4mm fairly easily although a big one like this is likely 8mm to avoid the money man having a hart attack. I do not think I have seen a big BP since the early 2000s?? Paul ? Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 1 May 2022 10:10 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net Subject: [Tech1] BGT I confess to being a slave to BGT. I love the useless acts, when they get ?gonged? out! But sometimes there?s a really good act that holds one?s attention. Last night, an acrobatic act that was striking and used a background video presentation. There seemed to be a huge screen at the back of the stage, and having shot there, I know how big it is. Does anyone know if there is such a large electronic screen in existence? I don?t think it was back projection. (It?s repeated today, Sunday, on ITV2 at 12.35) Maybe worth a look. Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 998716654DEC42E19E076DE85BB1D2FE.png Type: image/png Size: 160 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun May 1 05:34:18 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 11:34:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62A51C44-F3C3-4C3F-8800-B444326AAC15@icloud.com> For exterior use they are often lorry mounted. ? Graeme Wall > On 1 May 2022, at 10:39, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Pat, > These are very unlikely to be BP these days they waste far too much space with throw lengths and would need to be very bright. LED walls are the norm. These come in sections which bolt together along with metal work to stabilise and keep them upright. Usually a group of labour's arrive to carry it all in and assembled it.(And the reverse for the strike) LED walls have gradually become better resolutions you can get 4mm fairly easily although a big one like this is likely 8mm to avoid the money man having a hart attack. I do not think I have seen a big BP since the early 2000s > Paul > > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 1 May 2022 10:10 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net > Subject: [Tech1] BGT > > I confess to being a slave to BGT. > I love the useless acts, when they get ?gonged? out! > But sometimes there?s a really good act that holds one?s attention. > Last night, an acrobatic act that was striking and used a background video presentation. > There seemed to be a huge screen at the back of the stage, and having shot there, I know how big it is. > Does anyone know if there is such a large electronic screen in existence? I don?t think it was back projection. > (It?s repeated today, Sunday, on ITV2 at 12.35) > Maybe worth a look. > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun May 1 05:49:45 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 01 May 2022 11:49:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: <62A51C44-F3C3-4C3F-8800-B444326AAC15@icloud.com> Message-ID: Yup, I remember one supplier in the late 90s who had a trailer with (CRT) Video wall on it. All was well until someone managed to over turn it on the motorway. Quater of a million pounds gone. (When 1/4 million bought more than a pie and a pint) Paul ? Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? Original Message ? From: graeme.wall at icloud.com Sent: 1 May 2022 11:34 To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Cc: pat.heigham at amps.net; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT For exterior use they are often lorry mounted. ? Graeme Wall > On 1 May 2022, at 10:39, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Pat, > These are very unlikely to be BP these days they waste far too much space with throw lengths and would need to be very bright.? LED walls are the norm. These come in sections which bolt together along with metal work to stabilise and keep them upright. Usually a group of labour's arrive to carry it all in and assembled it.(And the reverse for the strike) LED walls have gradually become better resolutions you can get 4mm fairly easily although a big one like this is likely 8mm to avoid the money man having a hart attack. I do not think I have seen a big BP since the early 2000s? > Paul > >? > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 1 May 2022 10:10 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net > Subject: [Tech1] BGT > > I confess to being a slave to BGT. > I love the useless acts, when they get ?gonged? out! > But sometimes there?s a really good act that holds one?s attention. > Last night, an acrobatic act that was striking and used a background video presentation. > There seemed to be a huge screen at the back of the stage, and having shot there, I know how big it is. > Does anyone know if there is such a large electronic screen in existence? I don?t think it was back projection. > (It?s repeated today, Sunday, on ITV2 at 12.35) > Maybe worth a look. > Pat >? > Sent from Mail for Windows >? > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun May 1 06:01:06 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:01:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> Thinking about it, the last time I can recall BP being used was on Z-Cars! CSO took over for quite while, including on Dr Who, a drama-doco on Crystal Palace and an epic version of Candide. ? Graeme Wall > On 1 May 2022, at 11:49, Paul Thackray wrote: > > > Yup, > I remember one supplier in the late 90s who had a trailer with (CRT) Video wall on it. All was well until someone managed to over turn it on the motorway. Quater of a million pounds gone. (When 1/4 million bought more than a pie and a pint) > > > > Paul > > > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > > Original Message > > > From: graeme.wall at icloud.com > Sent: 1 May 2022 11:34 > To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Cc: pat.heigham at amps.net; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > > > For exterior use they are often lorry mounted. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 1 May 2022, at 10:39, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Hi Pat, >> These are very unlikely to be BP these days they waste far too much space with throw lengths and would need to be very bright. LED walls are the norm. These come in sections which bolt together along with metal work to stabilise and keep them upright. Usually a group of labour's arrive to carry it all in and assembled it.(And the reverse for the strike) LED walls have gradually become better resolutions you can get 4mm fairly easily although a big one like this is likely 8mm to avoid the money man having a hart attack. I do not think I have seen a big BP since the early 2000s >> Paul >> >> >> Paul Thackray >> >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >> >> 07802 243979 >> >> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >> >> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >> >> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Sent: 1 May 2022 10:10 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net >> Subject: [Tech1] BGT >> >> I confess to being a slave to BGT. >> I love the useless acts, when they get ?gonged? out! >> But sometimes there?s a really good act that holds one?s attention. >> Last night, an acrobatic act that was striking and used a background video presentation. >> There seemed to be a huge screen at the back of the stage, and having shot there, I know how big it is. >> Does anyone know if there is such a large electronic screen in existence? I don?t think it was back projection. >> (It?s repeated today, Sunday, on ITV2 at 12.35) >> Maybe worth a look. >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun May 1 06:33:52 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:33:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> References: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> Message-ID: <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Attached shot is on the Tech Ops History pages dealing with Z Cars as per Graeme's recollection. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:01 PM To: Paul Thackray Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT Thinking about it, the last time I can recall BP being used was on Z-Cars! CSO took over for quite while, including on Dr Who, a drama-doco on Crystal Palace and an epic version of Candide. ? Graeme Wall -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Z Cars.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 107499 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun May 1 06:36:02 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:36:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <83E4255E-7F00-43D0-A107-6206449630CB@icloud.com> Thanks Dave, was there ever a colour eidophore? ? Graeme Wall > On 1 May 2022, at 12:33, David Newbitt wrote: > > Attached shot is on the Tech Ops History pages dealing with Z Cars as per Graeme's recollection. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:01 PM > To: Paul Thackray > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > > Thinking about it, the last time I can recall BP being used was on Z-Cars! CSO took over for quite while, including on Dr Who, a drama-doco on Crystal Palace and an epic version of Candide. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun May 1 06:54:13 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:54:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: The good 'ol days. When you could mic up a car with a boom.? On 01/05/2022 12:33, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Attached shot is on the Tech Ops History pages dealing with Z Cars as > per Graeme's recollection. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:01 PM > To: Paul Thackray > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > > Thinking about it, the last time I can recall BP being used was on > Z-Cars! CSO took over for quite while, including on Dr Who, a > drama-doco on Crystal Palace and an epic version of Candide. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun May 1 06:59:12 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 12:59:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: <83E4255E-7F00-43D0-A107-6206449630CB@icloud.com> References: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <83E4255E-7F00-43D0-A107-6206449630CB@icloud.com> Message-ID: <015e01d85d52$df618000$9e248000$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Yes used on TOTP in the 80's at least & at LG on Breakfast Timw (Weather) Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall Sent: 01 May 2022 12:36 To: David Newbitt Cc: Paul Thackray ; Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT Thanks Dave, was there ever a colour eidophore? ? Graeme Wall > On 1 May 2022, at 12:33, David Newbitt wrote: > > Attached shot is on the Tech Ops History pages dealing with Z Cars as per Graeme's recollection. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:01 PM > To: Paul Thackray > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > > Thinking about it, the last time I can recall BP being used was on Z-Cars! CSO took over for quite while, including on Dr Who, a drama-doco on Crystal Palace and an epic version of Candide. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun May 1 07:00:15 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 13:00:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: <015e01d85d52$df618000$9e248000$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <83E4255E-7F00-43D0-A107-6206449630CB@icloud.com> <015e01d85d52$df618000$9e248000$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: After my time at TVC ? Graeme Wall > On 1 May 2022, at 12:59, Paul Thackray wrote: > > Yes used on TOTP in the 80's at least & at LG on Breakfast Timw (Weather) > > Paul > > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > 07802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graeme Wall > Sent: 01 May 2022 12:36 > To: David Newbitt > Cc: Paul Thackray ; Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > > Thanks Dave, was there ever a colour eidophore? > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 1 May 2022, at 12:33, David Newbitt wrote: >> >> Attached shot is on the Tech Ops History pages dealing with Z Cars as per Graeme's recollection. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 >> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:01 PM >> To: Paul Thackray >> Cc: Tech ops >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT >> >> Thinking about it, the last time I can recall BP being used was on Z-Cars! CSO took over for quite while, including on Dr Who, a drama-doco on Crystal Palace and an epic version of Candide. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> > > From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sun May 1 07:04:57 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 13:04:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: References: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com><05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><83E4255E-7F00-43D0-A107-6206449630CB@icloud.com><015e01d85d52$df618000$9e248000$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <23FD48547230404B98D9DC37ED69D216@0023242e4e14> Probably most famously during the TOTP 'Jocky Wilson' performance of Dexy's Midnight Runners. -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2022 1:00 PM To: Paul Thackray Cc: Tech ops ; David Newbitt Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT After my time at TVC ? Graeme Wall > On 1 May 2022, at 12:59, Paul Thackray wrote: > > Yes used on TOTP in the 80's at least & at LG on Breakfast Timw (Weather) > > Paul > > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > 07802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graeme Wall > Sent: 01 May 2022 12:36 > To: David Newbitt > Cc: Paul Thackray ; Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > > Thanks Dave, was there ever a colour eidophore? > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 1 May 2022, at 12:33, David Newbitt wrote: >> >> Attached shot is on the Tech Ops History pages dealing with Z Cars as per >> Graeme's recollection. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 >> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 12:01 PM >> To: Paul Thackray >> Cc: Tech ops >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT >> >> Thinking about it, the last time I can recall BP being used was on >> Z-Cars! CSO took over for quite while, including on Dr Who, a drama-doco >> on Crystal Palace and an epic version of Candide. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Jocky Wilson.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10917 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun May 1 07:07:56 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 13:07:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: References: <62A51C44-F3C3-4C3F-8800-B444326AAC15@icloud.com> Message-ID: <626e781c.1c69fb81.c93c6.23f3@mx.google.com> Well, that would have made a good insert for ?Trucking Hell?! Presumably it wasn?t displaying the lane closure arrow! The last time I recall having a time with BP was a Bond film in 1977 at Pinewood. Three 35mm blimped projectors were producing the effect of multiple aquariums (aquaria?) in the villain?s underwater hide-out. I remember that set vividly, as radio mics were not that great in those days, so there was an XLR taped to Roger Moore?s shoe, with which I was tasked to connect a cable for his dialogue, once he descended the stairs. Me lying flat out on the carpet, just below bottom of frame! To make sure that all the shutters were open at the same time, 3 projectors and the camera, everything was driven with Sel-Syn interlock. There was a careful routine when needing to rewind the BP films, as the camera had to be disconnected first, otherwise it would run backwards and over expose the last take! Sent from Mail for Windows From: Paul Thackray Sent: 01 May 2022 11:57 To: Graeme Wall Cc: patheigham; Tech 1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT I remember one supplier in the late 90s who had a trailer with (CRT) Video wall on it. All was well until someone managed to over turn it on the motorway. Quater of a million pounds gone. (When 1/4 million bought more than a pie and a pint) Paul ? Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun May 1 07:23:40 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 13:23:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: References: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <83E4255E-7F00-43D0-A107-6206449630CB@icloud.com> <015e01d85d52$df618000$9e248000$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <626e7bcd.1c69fb81.7ec98.2614@mx.google.com> Yes, a colour eidophor was demonstrated at Aston University in Birmingham, way back in 1966. Those of us on STO21 course were taken up to see it. I was more impressed with the brilliant PA, handled by Birmingham Radio OB?s, I think. An absolute perfect example in how it should be enhancement and not blasting out. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 01 May 2022 13:00 To: Paul Thackray Cc: Tech ops; David Newbitt Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > -----Original Message----- > From: Graeme Wall > Sent: 01 May 2022 12:36 > To: David Newbitt > Cc: Paul Thackray ; Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > > Thanks Dave, was there ever a colour eidophore? > ? > Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Sun May 1 09:08:39 2022 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 15:08:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Jocky Wilson Message-ID: <7118D943-C82F-4503-8598-E83A62FD38EB@icloud.com> https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2012/mar/27/jocky-wilson-other-rock-myths Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun May 1 15:09:35 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 21:09:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error Message-ID: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> The Sister Boniface Mysteries is a spin off from Father Brown, and has the same sort of English village, murder with a cup of tea vicar, feel. I fell into this one this afternoon on Drama, because it featured a 1960s tv broadcast. A famous tv cook, a nasty piece of work, was judging a cake contest at the village fete which they were broadcasting. The writer was obviously old enough to have experienced in some way Fanny Craddock, and as someone who once had the joy of her demanding to see the contents of my viewfinder, I watched. The plot is actually very 2022 because the two chaps on the left become a successful gay couple tv cooks at the end. It was shot on one camera, this one, maybe because Golden Age TV only has one, or they were expensive to hire.? The cue light worked ok, but can you spot the large, and very limiting, technical problem? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The writer was obviously old enough to have experienced in some way Fanny Craddock, and as someone who once had the joy of her demanding to see the contents of my viewfinder, I watched. The plot is actually very 2022 because the two chaps on the left become a successful gay couple tv cooks at the end. > > It was shot on one camera, this one, maybe because Golden Age TV only has one, or they were expensive to hire. The cue light worked ok, but can you spot the large, and very limiting, technical problem? > > B > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sun May 1 15:20:30 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 21:20:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error In-Reply-To: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0020C1A1-9FE1-417E-B74E-35E182634289@me.com> It?s a bit before my time and I don?t know what model of camera is being used in that shot, but is the lens in the correct position on the turret? I seem to remember IO tubes as being located at the bottom of cameras. Alan > On 1 May 2022, at 21:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? The Sister Boniface Mysteries is a spin off from Father Brown, and has the same sort of English village, murder with a cup of tea vicar, feel. > > I fell into this one this afternoon on Drama, because it featured a 1960s tv broadcast. A famous tv cook, a nasty piece of work, was judging a cake contest at the village fete which they were broadcasting. The writer was obviously old enough to have experienced in some way Fanny Craddock, and as someone who once had the joy of her demanding to see the contents of my viewfinder, I watched. The plot is actually very 2022 because the two chaps on the left become a successful gay couple tv cooks at the end. > > It was shot on one camera, this one, maybe because Golden Age TV only has one, or they were expensive to hire. The cue light worked ok, but can you spot the large, and very limiting, technical problem? > > B > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IZ4RbsR9nxta3o09.png Type: image/png Size: 124514 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon May 2 02:42:44 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 07:42:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error Message-ID: ?The lighting? N. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 On 1 May 2022, at 21:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? The Sister Boniface Mysteries is a spin off from Father Brown, and has the same sort of English village, murder with a cup of tea vicar, feel. I fell into this one this afternoon on Drama, because it featured a 1960s tv broadcast. A famous tv cook, a nasty piece of work, was judging a cake contest at the village fete which they were broadcasting. The writer was obviously old enough to have experienced in some way Fanny Craddock, and as someone who once had the joy of her demanding to see the contents of my viewfinder, I watched. The plot is actually very 2022 because the two chaps on the left become a successful gay couple tv cooks at the end. It was shot on one camera, this one, maybe because Golden Age TV only has one, or they were expensive to hire. The cue light worked ok, but can you spot the large, and very limiting, technical problem? B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon May 2 03:15:11 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 09:15:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error In-Reply-To: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> Message-ID: <626f9311.1c69fb81.90aca.b16e@mx.google.com> No talk-back cans plugged in? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 01 May 2022 21:09 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error The Sister Boniface Mysteries is a spin off from Father Brown, and has the same sort of English village, murder with a cup of tea vicar, feel.?? I fell into this one this afternoon on Drama, because it featured a 1960s tv broadcast. A famous tv cook, a nasty piece of work, was judging a cake contest at the village fete which they were broadcasting. The writer was obviously old enough to have experienced in some way Fanny Craddock, and as someone who once had the joy of her demanding to see the contents of my viewfinder, I watched. The plot is actually very 2022 because the two chaps on the left become a successful gay couple tv cooks at the end. It was shot on one camera, this one, maybe because Golden Age TV only has one, or they were expensive to hire.? The cue light worked ok, but can you spot the large, and very limiting,? technical problem? B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IZ4RbsR9nxta3o09.png Type: image/png Size: 883605 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon May 2 03:25:44 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 09:25:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error In-Reply-To: References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> Message-ID: <626f9589.1c69fb81.6afd0.ada3@mx.google.com> >From Pat Second attempt ? No Shot card holder? Sent from Mail for Windows From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 01 May 2022 21:15 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spot the error Head still chained? ? Graeme Wall > On 1 May 2022, at 21:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > The Sister Boniface Mysteries is a spin off from Father Brown, and has the same sort of English village, murder with a cup of tea vicar, feel. > > I fell into this one this afternoon on Drama, because it featured a 1960s tv broadcast. A famous tv cook, a nasty piece of work, was judging a cake contest at the village fete which they were broadcasting. The writer was obviously old enough to have experienced in some way Fanny Craddock, and as someone who once had the joy of her demanding to see the contents of my viewfinder, I watched. The plot is actually very 2022 because the two chaps on the left become a successful gay couple tv cooks at the end. > > It was shot on one camera, this one, maybe because Golden Age TV only has one, or they were expensive to hire. The cue light worked ok, but can you spot the large, and very limiting, technical problem? > > B > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon May 2 04:42:32 2022 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:42:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error In-Reply-To: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, What an interesting "spot the Error" by Bernie! Pat said? "No talk-back cans plugged in?", but there ARE cans (OK, maybe not plugged in!!) , just not the STC black ones (or the earlier, real CANS)? ... Pat also said that there was no shot card holder - but was this meant to be an OB rather than a studio production - and so would there be a shot card?? Like a lot of you, I first looked at the camera but then spotted something very very strange at the front,? It looks a bit like a 4033 mounted vertically, but they were BLACK and I doubt if the black arts of sound would have used a 4033 like that!? It looks more like a "Headlight" - as Nick said, a problem with lighting - but these were always mounted on the Top of the camera (in studios at least). There looks to be a big mounting bar across the front of the panning head and fixed to the camera: and part of the rig for this looks like the head has still got its chains on. So my guess is that the big old bar at the front of the camera would prevent it panning down.? 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They were happy for me to spirit away all the rats? nest of spaghetti, and I spent some time at home, untangling it, but ended up with a drum of 6 core, practically brand new, most useful telephone cable! Pat (OK, Bernie what?s your answer to the error?) Sent from Mail for Windows From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 02 May 2022 10:42 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spot the error Hi all, What an interesting "spot the Error" by Bernie!? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Mon May 2 05:32:46 2022 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:32:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error In-Reply-To: <626f9589.1c69fb81.6afd0.ada3@mx.google.com> References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> <626f9589.1c69fb81.6afd0.ada3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <59B8FAAD-B1FD-4EB7-A468-B29E273F1FB8@btinternet.com> No TB cans plugged in! Barry. On 2 May 2022, at 09:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > From Pat Second attempt ? > No Shot card holder? > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: 01 May 2022 21:15 > To: Bernard Newnham > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spot the error > > Head still chained? > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 1 May 2022, at 21:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > The Sister Boniface Mysteries is a spin off from Father Brown, and has the same sort of English village, murder with a cup of tea vicar, feel. > > > > I fell into this one this afternoon on Drama, because it featured a 1960s tv broadcast. A famous tv cook, a nasty piece of work, was judging a cake contest at the village fete which they were broadcasting. The writer was obviously old enough to have experienced in some way Fanny Craddock, and as someone who once had the joy of her demanding to see the contents of my viewfinder, I watched. The plot is actually very 2022 because the two chaps on the left become a successful gay couple tv cooks at the end. > > > > It was shot on one camera, this one, maybe because Golden Age TV only has one, or they were expensive to hire. The cue light worked ok, but can you spot the large, and very limiting, technical problem? > > > > B > > > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon May 2 05:47:26 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:47:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error In-Reply-To: <626fad66.1c69fb81.5bc7c.bd91@mx.google.com> References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> <626fad66.1c69fb81.5bc7c.bd91@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <626fb6bf.1c69fb81.a2817.d070@mx.google.com> A follow up to the BT phone cable story, which was a good perk: Purchasing stuff off a production after shooting. When working on feature films, it?s often possible to buy various pieces when finished with after shooting. The production is always ready to claw back a bit of the outlay cost! This rather backfired on a couple of the camera boys on ?Puppet on a Chain? in Amsterdam. They put in a bid for the two speedboats, but hadn?t foreseen that they would be virtually wrecked during the canal boat chase! I had better fortune on a Bond movie. A shop window set in Hong Kong was reproduced in the studio, and dressed with lovely electronic goodies. I asked if I could speak for a Sony cassette deck and a small Sony Trinitron colour TV. The set designer came up to me later and said that he had my stuff in his office if I wanted to complete the deal. Discovered that the boxes were still sealed and had never been opened. I remarked on this and said designer just told me he had added extras to the original purchase list! I came away with my booty, and a pukka receipt, if I was stopped at the studio gate. Although all paid for, it was at a remarkable discount! Pat ( I recall that the BBC had a staff discount scheme running with a business called Giles? Their commercial side did a lot of installation work at TVC, but we could source hi-fi stuff from the retail arm. Think I got a few Quad units that way, I remember they were in Reigate, but could now be Richer Sounds). Sent from Mail for Windows From: patheigham Sent: 02 May 2022 11:07 To: Alec Bray; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] Spot the error This set-up reminds me of a shoot for British Telecom. A promotional video for a multi-station office phone system. It was necessary for all the right lights to come up as required on camera. Special FX would have wired a unit on push buttons, but BT had to have the system fully connected and working. This meant yards pf phone cable everywhere. Come the de-rig, I asked them what was going to happen to all the cable. In the skip, they replied. I said that the skip was called a Volvo and was outside! They were happy for me to spirit away all the rats? nest of spaghetti, and I spent some time at home, untangling it, but ended up with a drum of 6 core, practically brand new, most useful telephone cable! Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon May 2 09:30:25 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 15:30:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error review In-Reply-To: References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0a267a9d-8d41-02d9-330a-7fc02b5e67a2@gmail.com> I must admit that people have come up with more errors than I had noticed. It's a little unfair just to show a still, but cumbersome to do more. In the programme the recording camera moves around the prop camera a bit, and the first time I saw it I glimpsed that the chains were on, an d looked no further. As the scene went on I was waiting to see it again to see whether I was wrong, but I wasn't They did the "recorded" cookery programme, and then the "live" one, and the chains were on all through. Between the two the crew were fiddling a bit with the turret, in a way that said the director had told them to look busy with something. So a bit like "The Hour" and that Dr Who thing - no sensible consultant, who probably would have done it for expenses just for fun. Nick's suggestion of lighting made me think - I wondered if it was just available, but looking again the shot suggests a big soft light off to the left.? I used to teach basic lighting at a university, but my problem was having no real modern lighting, which tends to have a lot of big softness about it, often with smaller soft golds low down.? What i did was to tell the students about traditional 3 point with much demonstration, and then say that people mostly don't do that any more because it isn't natural looking. I'm all for modern style lighting. Back in the mid seventies I worked on the opera Falstaff during the rota cuts. Bob Wright had a full height cyc down the right hand side of the studio which he lit with a quarter of a megawatt. He then made the sun rise, and it was quite incredible. That was the beginning of modern lighting for me. At the uni, we just didn't have the space or the gear - big translucent stuff or Chinese lanterns or whatever - so old fashioned it was. On a slightly different note, I think I need an up to date camcorder.? In my U3A "work" I've been using a Sony Z1, a really nice camera but running HD DV tape.? I must admit to preferring tape to SD cards - you can write on the box, they are more difficult to lose, and you watch rushes in real time and make notes as you copy them off - but it looks like I'm about to make a couple of things that require me to look modern. ? So - any thoughts around ?1500? b -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon May 2 12:11:42 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 17:11:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error review In-Reply-To: <0a267a9d-8d41-02d9-330a-7fc02b5e67a2@gmail.com> References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> <0a267a9d-8d41-02d9-330a-7fc02b5e67a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bernie, unless you want to buy a new camera, how about this as an upgrade, but secondhand? Have a look at https://tinyurl.com/2cen8bz6 - an ebay listing for a Sony HVR-Z7e. I had exactly this model for several years, mainly being used live for concerts, etc. Usually fed into a vision mixer, thence, 6x big Plasma monitors, or sometimes as the only camera to same for organ recitals, lectures etc. It is basically Mini DV, but has (as mine did), the CF (not Cfast) recorder accessory on the back. I don?t think I ever put a tape in it! Seller is only asking ?500 for it which seems ridiculously cheap if it?s in as good condition as it looks. I also had the wide zoom. Both lenses were Sonnars, so about as good as it gets. Currently I have a Sony PXW-Z90 which is smaller and 4k capable in XDCAM mode (4k mpeg or RAW requires a firmware add-on which I never got because it costs a further ?450.00. Lighting: actually I wasn?t referring to camera ?headlamps? but the dreary look the set has in your grabbed frame. I think the Marconi MkIV would expect and need better than that! That?s something that I was acutely aware of at the time because when I joined TechOps in 1960 I had just completed a two year photography course at what was Guildford Art School (*). We had been tought lighting for still photography by amongst others, Bavid Bailey and Tony Armstrong Jones! However, everything they taught me was shattered in fragments when I went on the junior TechOps course, and on the very first page of our lighting handout was a paragraph that listed the basic requirements of lighting for television. No 1 on the list read: ?To satisfy the technical requirements of the TV system?. True, of course, but not quite what I had hoped! BTW, if you or anyone has a use for a sturdy video tripod, I have one to dispose of. It?s described as a DSLR tripod, has a pretty adequate pan/tilt head etc. it?s actually new and unused because the sponsor of the Guildford Phil concerts withdrew its backing and that all ground to a halt. I would be happy to see it go for ?70.00 (in original box as new). (*) For by BBC interview I took along my ARPS photo portfolio, which they looked through and then offered me a job as a sound trainee! Anyway, enough of my waffle - 6.10PM and a glass of wine has just been put in front of me! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 > On 2 May 2022, at 15:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I must admit that people have come up with more errors than I had noticed. It's a little unfair just to show a still, but cumbersome to do more. In the programme the recording camera moves around the prop camera a bit, and the first time I saw it I glimpsed that the chains were on, an d looked no further. As the scene went on I was waiting to see it again to see whether I was wrong, but I wasn't They did the "recorded" cookery programme, and then the "live" one, and the chains were on all through. Between the two the crew were fiddling a bit with the turret, in a way that said the director had told them to look busy with something. > > So a bit like "The Hour" and that Dr Who thing - no sensible consultant, who probably would have done it for expenses just for fun. > > Nick's suggestion of lighting made me think - I wondered if it was just available, but looking again the shot suggests a big soft light off to the left. I used to teach basic lighting at a university, but my problem was having no real modern lighting, which tends to have a lot of big softness about it, often with smaller soft golds low down. What i did was to tell the students about traditional 3 point with much demonstration, and then say that people mostly don't do that any more because it isn't natural looking. > > I'm all for modern style lighting. Back in the mid seventies I worked on the opera Falstaff during the rota cuts. Bob Wright had a full height cyc down the right hand side of the studio which he lit with a quarter of a megawatt. He then made the sun rise, and it was quite incredible. That was the beginning of modern lighting for me. At the uni, we just didn't have the space or the gear - big translucent stuff or Chinese lanterns or whatever - so old fashioned it was. > > On a slightly different note, I think I need an up to date camcorder. In my U3A "work" I've been using a Sony Z1, a really nice camera but running HD DV tape. I must admit to preferring tape to SD cards - you can write on the box, they are more difficult to lose, and you watch rushes in real time and make notes as you copy them off - but it looks like I'm about to make a couple of things that require me to look modern. So - any thoughts around ?1500? > > b > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon May 2 12:48:35 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 18:48:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error review In-Reply-To: References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> <0a267a9d-8d41-02d9-330a-7fc02b5e67a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09e4d904-1fa7-2d37-9a58-5061e15c8fb7@gmail.com> Hi Nick Thanks for that, but I don't think I can see myself doing the collection from Ormskirk, and i would only want to buy having tried. No, not headlamps - I think that was Alec.? The scene is sort of dingy, but I think it was intentional - they were in a tent. It just looked as if maybe they'd added some soft off to the left. Pity about the camera - the Z7 was a nice machine. B On 02/05/2022 18:11, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Bernie, unless you want to buy a new camera, how about this as an upgrade, but secondhand? Have a look athttps://tinyurl.com/2cen8bz6 - an ebay listing for a Sony HVR-Z7e. I had exactly this model for several years, mainly being used live for concerts, etc. Usually fed into a vision mixer, thence, 6x big Plasma monitors, or sometimes as the only camera to same for organ recitals, lectures etc. It is basically Mini DV, but has (as mine did), the CF (not Cfast) recorder accessory on the back. I don?t think I ever put a tape in it! Seller is only asking ?500 for it which seems ridiculously cheap if it?s in as good condition as it looks. I also had the wide zoom. Both lenses were Sonnars, so about as good as it gets. > Currently I have a Sony PXW-Z90 which is smaller and 4k capable in XDCAM mode (4k mpeg or RAW requires a firmware add-on which I never got because it costs a further ?450.00. > > Lighting: actually I wasn?t referring to camera ?headlamps? but the dreary look the set has in your grabbed frame. I think the Marconi MkIV would expect and need better than that! That?s something that I was acutely aware of at the time because when I joined TechOps in 1960 I had just completed a two year photography course at what was Guildford Art School (*). We had been tought lighting for still photography by amongst others, Bavid Bailey and Tony Armstrong Jones! However, everything they taught me was shattered in fragments when I went on the junior TechOps course, and on the very first page of our lighting handout was a paragraph that listed the basic requirements of lighting for television. No 1 on the list read: ?To satisfy the technical requirements of the TV system?. True, of course, but not quite what I had hoped! > BTW, if you or anyone has a use for a sturdy video tripod, I have one to dispose of. It?s described as a DSLR tripod, has a pretty adequate pan/tilt head etc. it?s actually new and unused because the sponsor of the Guildford Phil concerts withdrew its backing and that all ground to a halt. I would be happy to see it go for ?70.00 (in original box as new). > > (*) For by BBC interview I took along my ARPS photo portfolio, which they looked through and then offered me a job as a sound trainee! > Anyway, enough of my waffle - 6.10PM and a glass of wine has just been put in front of me! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 > >> On 2 May 2022, at 15:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> I must admit that people have come up with more errors than I had noticed. It's a little unfair just to show a still, but cumbersome to do more. In the programme the recording camera moves around the prop camera a bit, and the first time I saw it I glimpsed that the chains were on, an d looked no further. As the scene went on I was waiting to see it again to see whether I was wrong, but I wasn't They did the "recorded" cookery programme, and then the "live" one, and the chains were on all through. Between the two the crew were fiddling a bit with the turret, in a way that said the director had told them to look busy with something. >> >> So a bit like "The Hour" and that Dr Who thing - no sensible consultant, who probably would have done it for expenses just for fun. >> >> Nick's suggestion of lighting made me think - I wondered if it was just available, but looking again the shot suggests a big soft light off to the left. I used to teach basic lighting at a university, but my problem was having no real modern lighting, which tends to have a lot of big softness about it, often with smaller soft golds low down. What i did was to tell the students about traditional 3 point with much demonstration, and then say that people mostly don't do that any more because it isn't natural looking. >> >> I'm all for modern style lighting. Back in the mid seventies I worked on the opera Falstaff during the rota cuts. Bob Wright had a full height cyc down the right hand side of the studio which he lit with a quarter of a megawatt. He then made the sun rise, and it was quite incredible. That was the beginning of modern lighting for me. At the uni, we just didn't have the space or the gear - big translucent stuff or Chinese lanterns or whatever - so old fashioned it was. >> >> On a slightly different note, I think I need an up to date camcorder. In my U3A "work" I've been using a Sony Z1, a really nice camera but running HD DV tape. I must admit to preferring tape to SD cards - you can write on the box, they are more difficult to lose, and you watch rushes in real time and make notes as you copy them off - but it looks like I'm about to make a couple of things that require me to look modern. So - any thoughts around ?1500? >> >> b >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Tue May 3 00:55:06 2022 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 06:55:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Dave Hewitt In-Reply-To: <2508A5FA-2100-4805-8AC0-6130F2958AB3@mac.com> References: <2508A5FA-2100-4805-8AC0-6130F2958AB3@mac.com> Message-ID: <1100231650.1964511.1651557306537@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue May 3 05:12:22 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 11:12:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: <626e7bcd.1c69fb81.7ec98.2614@mx.google.com> References: <6F5D689D-57A0-4894-843A-35C263E3DC99@icloud.com> <05969EE8337749A487A3039C5845CDBD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <83E4255E-7F00-43D0-A107-6206449630CB@icloud.com> <015e01d85d52$df618000$9e248000$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <626e7bcd.1c69fb81.7ec98.2614@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <62710008.1c69fb81.7a6e2.7b1f@mx.google.com> Replying to my own post: I?m pretty sure it was colour ? I have dim memory of three lenses, presumably RGB. Attached is a list of the STO21 Course participants, and the course photo. I had hoped to contact some of the guys to see if they remembered, but sadly, a number of them I knew well are now longer with us (Ian Leiper, Tony Bowers). Eric Wallis may still be around ? anyone got an e-mail address for him? Eric and I had cars, so were deputised by the ?Major? to collect the girls from the Worcester nurses home, for the weekly dances at the Evesham club. This was for ?3 petrol money. If there wasn?t one we fancied, then that got spent over the bar! I recall that both of us felt the need to replenish Piddle Brook on the way home! Happy days! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: patheigham Sent: 01 May 2022 13:23 To: Graeme Wall; Paul Thackray Cc: Tech ops; David Newbitt Subject: RE: [Tech1] BGT Yes, a colour eidophor was demonstrated at Aston University in Birmingham, way back in 1966. Those of us on STO21 course were taken up to see it. I was more impressed with the brilliant PA, handled by Birmingham Radio OB?s, I think. An absolute perfect example in how it should be enhancement and not blasting out. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 01 May 2022 13:00 To: Paul Thackray Cc: Tech ops; David Newbitt Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > Thanks Dave, was there ever a colour eidophore? > ? > Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 36AB51FCE6DB4698AA2B8301836568E9.png Type: image/png Size: 152677 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We had everything set up well ahead of time and the Eidophor was expected to be troublesome, but also worked first time and only needed minor tweaks. I can?t remember if the BBC Micro computer was provided by somebody on the crew, the projection people, or a graphics person, but it got plugged into the Eidophor and was running the space adventure game Elite. People who played Elite might recall that it used wire frame vector graphics and that one important manoeuvre in the gameplay was to match the rotation speed of your craft so that it could safely dock with a rotating mother ship. With the computer temporarily set up on the stage right in front of what must have been at least a twenty foot screen, the images towered above the player in a most impressive manner. It seemed as though you were piloting something out of the 2001 Space Odyssey movie. Much fun was had by crew members with this biggest video game ever. Then somebody fed the audio to the PA system, which boomed out massive explosions and other sound effects. That was the point where the Stage Manager thought that people were having too much fun and it had to be stopped. Alan > On 3 May 2022, at 13:51, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Anyone remember working with it? > > I was scared of it and never went near. > > Wouldn?t get past H&S today! > > The operator looked as though he had mutated from all the dodgy emissions coming from it. > > John V > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dudley.darby at gmail.com Tue May 3 08:26:27 2022 From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 14:26:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eidophor In-Reply-To: <5F601093-71C8-4E24-A06B-293A1270FC57@vincent68.plus.com> References: <5F601093-71C8-4E24-A06B-293A1270FC57@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: Yes, had to sit by the thing in the TVT circle a couple of times on "This is Your Life" with the only instructions: 1. Adjust that knob to keep the picture bright, but not too bright or it clears itself 2. If it catches fire, switch it off! The one in the Theatre was never terribly reliable. Often went into a long smear of oil which gradually cleared as the disc? rotated Dudley *Dudley C. Darby * On 03/05/2022 13:50, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > Anyone remember working with it? > > I was scared of it and never went near. > > Wouldn?t get past H&S today! > > The operator looked as though he had mutated from all the dodgy emissions coming from it. > > John V -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Tue May 3 08:30:01 2022 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 14:30:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BGT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38cb7b7d-9208-328c-18fd-02b6e25223c3@howell61.f9.co.uk> Insured for........??? On 01/05/2022 11:49, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > Yup, > I remember one supplier in the late 90s who had a trailer with (CRT) Video wall on it. All was well until someone managed to over turn it on the motorway. Quater of a million pounds gone. (When 1/4 million bought more than a pie and a pint) > > > > Paul > > > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail;paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web;http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin;http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > > ? Original Message > > > From:graeme.wall at icloud.com > Sent: 1 May 2022 11:34 > To:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Cc:pat.heigham at amps.net;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT > > > For exterior use they are often lorry mounted. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 1 May 2022, at 10:39, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Hi Pat, >> These are very unlikely to be BP these days they waste far too much space with throw lengths and would need to be very bright.? LED walls are the norm. These come in sections which bolt together along with metal work to stabilise and keep them upright. Usually a group of labour's arrive to carry it all in and assembled it.(And the reverse for the strike) LED walls have gradually become better resolutions you can get 4mm fairly easily although a big one like this is likely 8mm to avoid the money man having a hart attack. I do not think I have seen a big BP since the early 2000s >> Paul >> >> >> Paul Thackray >> >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >> >> 07802 243979 >> >> Mail;paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Web;http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Linkedin;http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >> >> IMDB;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >> >> From:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Sent: 1 May 2022 10:10 >> To:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Reply to:pat.heigham at amps.net >> Subject: [Tech1] BGT >> >> I confess to being a slave to BGT. >> I love the useless acts, when they get ?gonged? out! >> But sometimes there?s a really good act that holds one?s attention. >> Last night, an acrobatic act that was striking and used a background video presentation. >> There seemed to be a huge screen at the back of the stage, and having shot there, I know how big it is. >> Does anyone know if there is such a large electronic screen in existence? I don?t think it was back projection. >> (It?s repeated today, Sunday, on ITV2 at 12.35) >> Maybe worth a look. >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue May 3 09:41:34 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 15:41:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eidophor In-Reply-To: References: <5F601093-71C8-4E24-A06B-293A1270FC57@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: <62713f20.1c69fb81.b392e.0788@mx.google.com> Here?s a description of how the eidophor worked: https://www.videohistoryproject.org/eidophor-television-system I remember a large screen BP in the TVT. It was displaying the ?London to Brighton in 4 Minutes? film for the theatre audience, before mixing through to telecine for transmission. I was driving a Vinten motorised and tracked in to frame up and fill the screen, couldn?t help but lean into the curves as the train barrelled through! Pinewood?s Theatre 7 (now the John Barry Theatre) and the cinema at the NFTS are equipped with digital projectors which I have used to great effect for the AMPS AGM?s. Large screen projection has always fascinated me ever since seeing ?South Pacific? in CinemaScope in the fleapit cinema in the Isle of Wight. That initiated a desire to work in movies and on a musical. I got my wish, much later. Domestically, I run films for friends in their dining room, a decent size for a home cinema. The pic shows a 6 ft screen, but I have managed to put in a 9 ft one for a big film! The projector is a Panasonic, now no longer available, but displays BluRay discs brilliantly, as it handles Hi-Def. A good friendly evening ensues, particularly as we have nibbles pertinent to the movie and people bring a bottle! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Dudley Darby via Tech1 Sent: 03 May 2022 14:26 To: crew13 Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eidophor Yes, had to sit by the thing in the TVT circle a couple of times on "This is Your Life" with the only instructions: 1. Adjust that knob to keep the picture bright, but not too bright or it clears itself 2. If it catches fire, switch it off! The one in the Theatre was never terribly reliable. Often went into a long smear of oil which gradually cleared as the disc? rotated Dudley Dudley C. Darby -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue May 3 12:35:43 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 18:35:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spot the error review In-Reply-To: <0a267a9d-8d41-02d9-330a-7fc02b5e67a2@gmail.com> References: <75933a73-b98e-8c80-a868-38cd51777077@gmail.com> <0a267a9d-8d41-02d9-330a-7fc02b5e67a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <627167f1.1c69fb81.a5bdd.124c@mx.google.com> Bob Wright: He lit ?Hamlet at Elsinore? as an OB, I think. Due to the narrow confines of the real castle, he had the sparks hold redheads(?) on poles, so as to be very mobile. They got christened Boblights. I too learned 3-point lighting c/o BBC. My story on a commercial runs thus: One commercial I worked on, shot at Hatchlands, a National Trust property near my home (probably the nearest location I?ve ever had!), was the first Nescafe Gold Blend of the subsequent series. The DoP was none other than the great Freddie Young. He paused by the sound table and enquired who was the boom operator. Me! Asked me my name and said: ?I?m Freddie, and you won?t have any problems?. Standing in the artistes? position, I took a look ? perfectly textbook standard 3-point lighting ? key, fill, back. On another shoot, working on my own, (no boom op) to cover a forum discussion with students on raked seating. Camera centre front. The ?inexperienced? (my reading) cameraman plonked a 2K right behind the camera and then wondered why there was a mike shadow on the back wall, as at the full stretch of the Panamic pole I was going for a chatty bloke at the very back. Two solutions: move the key light sideways, or do a bit of research as to who might pose decent questions and move them to the front row! There became a technique of using soft light, bounced off sheets of poly. This built a wall making it physically difficult to get the boom in! Lighting for colour is better with overall soft, I believe. I suppose three point lighting works in B & W as it?s needed to accentuate the modelling and contrast ratio. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 02 May 2022 15:30 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spot the error review I used to teach basic lighting at a university, but my problem was having no real modern lighting, which tends to have a lot of big softness about it, often with smaller soft golds low down.? What i did was to tell the students about traditional 3 point with much demonstration, and then say that people mostly don't do that any more because it isn't natural looking. Bob Wright had a full height cyc down the right hand side of the studio which he lit with a quarter of a megawatt. He then made the sun rise, and it was quite incredible. That was the beginning of modern lighting for me.? 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Jones 100v line speakers 'around' it along with the audience mics. The Eidiphor 'hummed' unfortunately and mics were kept away from it because of that. As the very interesting video that William has found points out, it was surprisingly robust in normal operation, for such a complicated piece of kit. However the operator started line-up whilst we were still rigging each time. David T On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 15:43, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: > > Fantastic bit of Kit!!! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-BvMcqEc98 > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidophor > > Wonderful smell of Hot Valves, Diff Pumps etc. Includes pics of the COLOUE > EIDOPHOR!! > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Therefore, I forwarded to Karl your emails and, as you will see from his response, he was delighted and chuffed by your comments. He really appreciates your kind words. Please take no offence that Karl may not recall you, Mike! The BBC in our years there, with around 25,000 of us, most of us just ?heads down, doing our best for a greater good? .. paths may not always cross even after all those overlapping decades in and around the BBC. All the best, Steve ( Steve: https://100voices.bbcpa.org.uk/voices/steve-lowry-in-conversation-with-colin-sykes/ ) ( Karl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Neilson ) From: Karl Neilson Sent: 03 May 2022 21:36 To: Steve Lowry > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazing scenes on Eastenders ?Hi Steve! What a lovely, lovely email! Thank you so much for sending me the snapshot of the discussion, it was fascinating to read and made me really proud. So many questions! Firstly, do I know Mike Jordan? Or is he someone I probably haven?t crossed? I love the fact that he watched the episode and took so much from it. As you know I put a lot into my eps, and include film references etc which are very rarely picked up! But for Mike to draw comparisons with Hitchcock was just fantastic. It tells me that perhaps I do know what I?m doing!!! You were spot on about the team. It was brilliant, but also very significant with Hils, because it was the first block with a vision mixer since Covid struck. Corrie and Emmerdale in their madness have decided to dispense with Vision Mixers, which I believe to be a terrible mistake, but i am a little old fashioned that way. So one significance of this block is it was the first to be shot ?the old fashioned way?, and i feel it is no coincidence that it also turned out to be so good!!! The Southend ep has been entered into the Soap Awards as ?episode of the year?. Depends how the politics play out, but it deffo has a chance. Thank you for letting me know how you are getting on. It led me to think when it was we last saw each other. When did you retire? I have actually not been around Enders as much in recent years, as i have been fortunate to be able to work on Coronation Street and Holby. Covid affected me mainly in a financial sense. I lost 6 months of work overnight, for which I was ill prepared. It was a very tough 5 months or so with no income, and I was unable to access the government schemes. It?s only now I can confidently say I?m truly back on my feet. Shooting during covid has been no fun, very technical, and just difficult. Now restrictions are loosening it is all becoming much easier and the joy is starting, slowly, to return for me. But back to the episode! For those who were interested, the hall of mirrors was an exceptionally demanding scene to shoot. The set was actually quite small, and in reality it would be impossible for Stacey not to find and trap Jean easily. It was shot single camera, and very carefully, shot by shot. For each shot we would clear the set, and both me and Adam (the camera sup) would find a position for the actress, and then the camera so we could get what we needed. The actresses would be continually moved from position to position to create the cheats and for us to not see the camera. I knew geography wouldn?t matter, but eyelines would, so I arranged all the shots so Jean would look L-R when conversing with Stacey (whether in a mirror or reality), and that Stacey would look R-L in her shots. Therefore I knew I would get a non jarring cut between them whether I went via the mirrors or the person. It was absolutely exhausting, and it took so much out of me that day I think it took a while to recover! Obviously it was a lot of fun in the edit to create the ?mirror Jean? which was a really successful way of telling the story (And that bit wasn?t in the script!) For the beach scene we were so lucky to have consistent sunny weather across the two days. When I saw the weather I had to embrace it and give Jean a pathway to the Sun. I would?ve attempted this in post, but it wouldn?t have been as successful. The downside of this as I was then having to chase the tide AND the Sun, which really is quite stressful. Plus on the second day the wind was up, so on the shots favouring Stacey in the water the sea was really choppy, meaning I had to quickly change my plan as I couldn?t move backwards with her. I spent a long, long time auditioning music for this. It wasn?t in the script, but I knew it was essential to the final sequence whereby Jean goes underwater and yet it seems a good place to be. In the end, out of nowhere, I remembered the Lotus Eaters track and also remembered I had spent my whole career trying to find a suitable moment to use it. It was a very weird realisation, but I was so happy with how that detail aided our understanding of Jean?s journey. Anyway I best be off as you may be thinking ?why is he telling me all this????! Again, lovely to hear from you, and look out for my this Sunday as I?m with the Holby team at the BAFTAs! Take care Karl Sent from my iPad On 2 May 2022, at 21:53, Steve Lowry > wrote: ? Hi Karl, I hope that you are well. Thriving? Surely!? There?s an email group called tech-ops.co.uk ? They have watched EastEnders, particularly the TX on 28th April and they loved it for all the best reasons. I thought you should see a snapshot of what was said. I?ve now caught up with this ?Enders on iPlayer ? It is brilliantly shot in every way; I then looked at the credits and realised why ? TOP TEAM: Karl, Hils West, Hilary Charles, Mark on sound, John Carberry, all ?departments? ? all the very best - on location and in the Studio & on the Lot. Top work, top team! All the best Karl, Steve xx From: Tech1 < stil> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 29 April 2022 23:34 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazing scenes on Eastenders Totally agree. Spactacular by all departments. Why does it take soaps to show how TV drama could and should be? We switched the latest one, Life after Life, off after the first five minutes. Cheers, N. Nick Ware On 29 Apr 2022, at 22:07, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: ? I know EE is not for everyone but last nights edition has some totally amazing scenes reminiscent of when even regular serial shows like this had them. Specifically (and excuse my using cast names) stuff shot in Southend (which I was regularly taken to as child so recognise some bits) where there was a whole segment with Jean Slater in the very fast big dipper and shot from behind her heading down the slopes and cross-cut with her totally enthused and excited shot looking up into her face. The second amazingly clever stuff was shot inside the huge ?Hall of Mirrors? where she was shot from all sorts of angles with much cutting between reflected in the mirrors and one where she was seeing herself and responding with her reflection. The twirling around ?lost? was out of this world. And then of course she was found by Stacy also with multiple cross-cut reflections and a chase around where she was lost in her own reflection with different angles ? hence shapes ? of herself as she ran around. Even the final scene shot on the beach as they went down to and into the sea was amazing and there was a beautiful closing sequence when the clear blue summer sky was replaced by huge storm clouds at sunset ? WOW!! I haven?t seen such brilliant stuff on TV for years ? even more effective than some Hitchcock films. It must be on iPlayer and not to be missed. Let?s all watch it and start a discussion. Mike Jordan -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roybailey100 at gmail.com Thu May 5 16:22:45 2022 From: roybailey100 at gmail.com (Roy Bailey) Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 22:22:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Amazing scenes on Eastenders In-Reply-To: References: <4AA731D6-74E9-4D82-94D3-6C8D851FB9DE@me.com> Message-ID: The reply from Karl was very interesting, having myself worked with him many times. But he refers a couple of times to 'old fashioned', indeed he is as he says 'I knew geography wouldn?t matter, but eyelines would' - eyelines often seem to be a dead art these days! Roy On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 11:05, Steve Lowry via Tech1 wrote: > Mike & Nick, thank you for pointing me towards the EastEnders? TX from 28 > th April with your praise for it. I totally agree! > > > > Until I retired in 2015, I had worked with EastEnders as a Resource > Manager for decades (as well as with many, many other productions, of > course) but I had fallen out of the habit of watching ?Enders. > > > > The director for 28th April TX ?Southend? EastEnders was Karl Neilson who > I have had the pleasure of working with many times in our overlapping > careers. Karl is a genuinely lovely, no-nonsense person who as a great director > always puts so much thought, planning and DEDICATION into his work whilst > inspiring the best from all of his team. > > > > Therefore, I forwarded to Karl your emails and, as you will see from his > response, he was delighted and chuffed by your comments. He really > appreciates your kind words. > > > > Please take no offence that Karl may not recall you, Mike! The BBC in our > years there, with around 25,000 of us, most of us just ?heads down, doing > our best for a greater good? .. paths may not always cross even after all > those overlapping decades in and around the BBC. > > > > All the best, > > > > Steve > > > > ( Steve: > https://100voices.bbcpa.org.uk/voices/steve-lowry-in-conversation-with-colin-sykes/ > ) > > > > ( Karl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Neilson ) > > > > *From:* Karl Neilson > > *Sent:* 03 May 2022 21:36 > *To:* Steve Lowry > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Amazing scenes on Eastenders > > > > ?Hi Steve! > > > > What a lovely, lovely email! Thank you so much for sending me the snapshot > of the discussion, it was fascinating to read and made me really proud. So > many questions! Firstly, do I know Mike Jordan? Or is he someone I probably > haven?t crossed? I love the fact that he watched the episode and took so > much from it. As you know I put a lot into my eps, and include film > references etc which are very rarely picked up! But for Mike to draw > comparisons with Hitchcock was just fantastic. It tells me that perhaps I > do know what I?m doing!!! > > > > You were spot on about the team. It was brilliant, but also very > significant with Hils, because it was the first block with a vision mixer > since Covid struck. Corrie and Emmerdale in their madness have decided to > dispense with Vision Mixers, which I believe to be a terrible mistake, but > i am a little old fashioned that way. So one significance of this block is > it was the first to be shot ?the old fashioned way?, and i feel it is no > coincidence that it also turned out to be so good!!! > > > > The Southend ep has been entered into the Soap Awards as ?episode of the > year?. Depends how the politics play out, but it deffo has a chance. > > > > Thank you for letting me know how you are getting on. It led me to think > when it was we last saw each other. When did you retire? I have actually > not been around Enders as much in recent years, as i have been fortunate to > be able to work on Coronation Street and Holby. > > > > Covid affected me mainly in a financial sense. I lost 6 months of work > overnight, for which I was ill prepared. It was a very tough 5 months or so > with no income, and I was unable to access the government schemes. It?s > only now I can confidently say I?m truly back on my feet. Shooting during > covid has been no fun, very technical, and just difficult. Now restrictions > are loosening it is all becoming much easier and the joy is starting, > slowly, to return for me. > > > > But back to the episode! For those who were interested, the hall of > mirrors was an exceptionally demanding scene to shoot. The set was actually > quite small, and in reality it would be impossible for Stacey not to find > and trap Jean easily. It was shot single camera, and very carefully, shot > by shot. For each shot we would clear the set, and both me and Adam (the > camera sup) would find a position for the actress, and then the camera so > we could get what we needed. The actresses would be continually moved from > position to position to create the cheats and for us to not see the camera. > I knew geography wouldn?t matter, but eyelines would, so I arranged all the > shots so Jean would look L-R when conversing with Stacey (whether in a > mirror or reality), and that Stacey would look R-L in her shots. Therefore > I knew I would get a non jarring cut between them whether I went via the > mirrors or the person. It was absolutely exhausting, and it took so much > out of me that day I think it took a while to recover! Obviously it was a > lot of fun in the edit to create the ?mirror Jean? which was a really > successful way of telling the story (And that bit wasn?t in the script!) > > > > For the beach scene we were so lucky to have consistent sunny weather > across the two days. When I saw the weather I had to embrace it and give > Jean a pathway to the Sun. I would?ve attempted this in post, but it > wouldn?t have been as successful. The downside of this as I was then having > to chase the tide AND the Sun, which really is quite stressful. Plus on the > second day the wind was up, so on the shots favouring Stacey in the water > the sea was really choppy, meaning I had to quickly change my plan as I > couldn?t move backwards with her. > > > > I spent a long, long time auditioning music for this. It wasn?t in the > script, but I knew it was essential to the final sequence whereby Jean goes > underwater and yet it seems a good place to be. In the end, out of nowhere, > I remembered the Lotus Eaters track and also remembered I had spent my > whole career trying to find a suitable moment to use it. It was a very > weird realisation, but I was so happy with how that detail aided our > understanding of Jean?s journey. > > > > Anyway I best be off as you may be thinking ?why is he telling me all > this????! > > > > Again, lovely to hear from you, and look out for my this Sunday as I?m > with the Holby team at the BAFTAs! > > > > Take care > > > > Karl > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On 2 May 2022, at 21:53, Steve Lowry wrote: > > ? > > Hi Karl, > > > > I hope that you are well. Thriving? Surely!? > > > > There?s an email group called *tech-ops.co.uk *? > They have watched EastEnders, particularly the TX on 28th April and they > loved it for all the best reasons. I thought you should see a snapshot of > what was said. > > > > I?ve now caught up with this ?Enders on iPlayer ? It is brilliantly shot > in every way; I then looked at the credits and realised why ? TOP TEAM: > Karl, Hils West, Hilary Charles, Mark on sound, John Carberry, all > ?departments? ? all the very best - on location and in the Studio & on the > Lot. > > > > Top work, top team! All the best Karl, > > > > Steve xx > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Tech1 < stil> *On Behalf Of *Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent:* 29 April 2022 23:34 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Amazing scenes on Eastenders > > > > Totally agree. Spactacular by all departments. Why does it take soaps to > show how TV drama could and should be? We switched the latest one, Life > after Life, off after the first five minutes. > Cheers, > > N. > > > > Nick Ware > > > > On 29 Apr 2022, at 22:07, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > I know EE is not for everyone but last nights edition has some totally > amazing scenes reminiscent of when even regular serial shows like this had > them. > > > > Specifically (and excuse my using cast names) stuff shot in Southend > (which I was regularly taken to as child so recognise some bits) where > there was a whole segment with Jean Slater in the very fast big dipper and > shot from behind her heading down the slopes and cross-cut with her totally > enthused and excited shot looking up into her face. > > > > The second amazingly clever stuff was shot inside the huge ?Hall of > Mirrors? where she was shot from all sorts of angles with much cutting > between reflected in the mirrors and one where she was seeing herself and > responding with her reflection. The twirling around ?lost? was out of this > world. > > > > And then of course she was found by Stacy also with multiple cross-cut > reflections and a chase around where she was lost in her own reflection > with different angles ? hence shapes ? of herself as she ran around. > > > > Even the final scene shot on the beach as they went down to and into the > sea was amazing and there was a beautiful closing sequence when the clear > blue summer sky was replaced by huge storm clouds at sunset ? WOW!! > > > > I haven?t seen such brilliant stuff on TV for years ? even more effective > than some Hitchcock films. > > > > It must be on iPlayer and not to be missed. > > > > Let?s all watch it and start a discussion. > > > > Mike Jordan > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Fri May 6 05:55:45 2022 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 11:55:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Amazing scenes on Eastenders In-Reply-To: References: <4AA731D6-74E9-4D82-94D3-6C8D851FB9DE@me.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Peter Fox via Tech1 Sent: 06 May 2022 11:56 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] FW: Amazing scenes on Eastenders Reminds me of "pulling up" Philip Savile on an eyeline for Susan Penhaligon when she abruptly sat up in bed, waking out of a vampirish nightmare in the '77 Dracula. ?"Oh no, I want the eyeline wrong to show her disorientation" ? Excellent!? but it only worked because all the other eyelines had been carefully managed! (including in the mirror, with Louis Jourdan not being reflected) Peter -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The only remote button that worked was the power button which turned the TV off. But then would not turn back on? Searching the web I tried the two recommended fixes. Disconnect from the supply and leave for 20 minutes as a power reset, no joy. Next was to disconnect, press and hold the power on and volume down button down on the TV and turn it on. Keep holding until TV shows a green LED at the front, this does a factory reset of the TV, sadly still no joy. So I unplugged the TV and left it overnight. In the morning surprisingly it turned on? Only to display the ?Action Menu? screen and to be unresponsive to the remote. I tried the factory reset, which rebooted Android and then I got the ?Welcome to Bravia? and the TV setup. Except it still did not respond to any button pressing on the remote. I had a John Lewis 5 year guarantee which was still current so rang them. The fix. Remove batteries from remote, hold down the power key on the remote for 20 seconds. Reinsert batteries and everything works again? The guy on the phone said he didn?t really know why it works either. So if your Sony Bravia Smart TV doesn?t respond to your remote, you know the fix. Later on I eventually got a reply to my email to Sony support, and the fix is listed there as well. Philip and Bee https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun May 8 04:45:08 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 10:45:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sony Bravia Smart TV - interesting fix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <530d973a-2823-39b5-4ee1-d05347c66172@davesound.co.uk> I've got one here at the moment - fixing it for a pal. Kept on going into the reboot mode (whirling circle). Seems to be a dry joint on a processor chip to PCB and common. Sent the boards off. They remove the chip(s) clean and re-solder. ?90. Had similar on an Acer laptop, and the repair sorted it too - but a lot cheaper. I blame lead free solder.? On 08/05/2022 10:32, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: > I was watching the TV the other night when it suddenly went to the > ?Action Menu? screen. > Strange I thought, as the program I was watching wasn?t that bad :) > Trying to get it back proved impossible, as the TV didn?t respond to > any of the key presses on the remote. I changed remote batteries to a > known working pair but still no joy. > The only remote button that worked was the power button which turned > the TV off. But then would not turn back on? > Searching the web I tried the two recommended fixes. > Disconnect from the supply and leave for 20 minutes as a power reset, > no joy. > Next was to disconnect, press and hold the power on and volume down > button down on the TV and turn it on. Keep holding until TV shows a > green LED at the front, this does a factory reset of the TV, sadly > still no joy. > So I unplugged the TV and left it overnight. In the morning > surprisingly it turned on? Only to display the ?Action Menu? screen > and to be unresponsive to the remote. > I tried the factory reset, which rebooted Android and then I got the > ?Welcome to Bravia? and the TV setup. Except it still did not respond > to any button pressing on the remote. > I had a John Lewis 5 year guarantee which was still current so rang them. > > The fix. Remove batteries from remote, hold down the power key on the > remote for 20 seconds. Reinsert batteries and everything works again? > The guy on the phone said he didn?t really know why it works either. > > So if your Sony Bravia Smart TV doesn?t respond to your remote, you > know the fix. > > Later on I eventually got a reply to my email to Sony support, and the > fix is listed there as well. > > Philip and Bee > > https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/ > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun May 8 04:57:02 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 10:57:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Game shows Message-ID: <627793ef.1c69fb81.cdaa1.3441@mx.google.com> Interesting problem that Philip Tyler flagged up. In scanning the guides to find something to watch, I was struck by how many (mostly all) the game shows produce a ?celebrity? version. Usually with participants of whom I?ve never heard ? perhaps I don?t view enough ?soaps?! What I do find excruciating, is the lack of knowledge exhibited by these ?celebs? apart from one or two brighter sparks. Perhaps ?Pointless Celebrities? sums it up! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Sun May 8 10:21:19 2022 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Sun, 08 May 2022 16:21:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sony Bravia Smart TV - interesting fix Message-ID: I have a JVC tv running the Amazon Fire software. A couple of days ago when turned it on I got the message "Updating Remote". Even your remote is a computer these days. Doug On 8 May 2022, at 10:32, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: I was watching the TV the other night when it suddenly went to the ?Action Menu? screen. Strange I thought, as the program I was watching wasn?t that bad :) Trying to get it back proved impossible, as the TV didn?t respond to any of the key presses on the remote. I changed remote batteries to a known working pair but still no joy. The only remote button that worked was the power button which turned the TV off. But then would not turn back on? Searching the web I tried the two recommended fixes. Disconnect from the supply and leave for 20 minutes as a power reset, no joy. Next was to disconnect, press and hold the power on and volume down button down on the TV and turn it on. Keep holding until TV shows a green LED at the front, this does a factory reset of the TV, sadly still no joy. So I unplugged the TV and left it overnight. In the morning surprisingly it turned on? Only to display the ?Action Menu? screen and to be unresponsive to the remote. I tried the factory reset, which rebooted Android and then I got the ?Welcome to Bravia? and the TV setup. Except it still did not respond to any button pressing on the remote. I had a John Lewis 5 year guarantee which was still current so rang them. The fix. Remove batteries from remote, hold down the power key on the remote for 20 seconds. Reinsert batteries and everything works again? The guy on the phone said he didn?t really know why it works either. So if your Sony Bravia Smart TV doesn?t respond to your remote, you know the fix. Later on I eventually got a reply to my email to Sony support, and the fix is listed there as well. Philip and Bee https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Mon May 9 04:00:00 2022 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 10:00:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Willy Cave Message-ID: This from Brian Elliott? 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He was always easy to talk to and will be missed at our lunches, Geoff > On 12 May 2022, at 13:20, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I see on an obit site that Don has died. > I know no more than that. > > Peter Neill > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From phider at gmx.com Thu May 12 11:14:41 2022 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 17:14:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Don Smith In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1N3bWr-1nyQfn0uOp-010but@mail.gmx.net> Thanks PeteMy brother Dave and I were friends of Don's who's work at Radio Times was so extensive. The archivist at Radio Times is Ralph Montague and I've just spoken to him. Apparently Don was fine until a few weeks ago when acquired a blood infection. He was admitted to Lister Hospital in Stevenage but didn't respond to any treatment, went slowly downhill and died at 2am this morning. Ralph is putting together some obituaries.I hope to get more details later.regardsPeter HiderSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Date: 12/05/2022 13:20 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Don Smith I see on an obit site that Don has died. I know no more than that. Peter NeillSent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri May 13 03:26:07 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 09:26:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Book review Message-ID: Just finished reading David Hendy?s book on BBC history. A fascinating overview, I can thoroughly reccomend it. ? Graeme Wall From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Fri May 13 04:04:09 2022 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 10:04:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Book review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Graeme, Nice to get a recommendation, which of his BBC history books was it? His latest must be 'A Peoples History' and apart from history of Radio 4, he wrote one called 'A Century on Air'. DT On 13 May 2022, 09:26, at 09:26, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >Just finished reading David Hendy?s book on BBC history. A fascinating >overview, I can thoroughly reccomend it. > >? >Graeme Wall > > > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A fascinating overview, I can thoroughly reccomend it. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > From sue.malden at btinternet.com Fri May 13 10:20:43 2022 From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (SUSAN MALDEN) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 16:20:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Book review In-Reply-To: <08E3B7B9-0C23-4FFF-9405-EAA285C71A76@icloud.com> References: <08E3B7B9-0C23-4FFF-9405-EAA285C71A76@icloud.com> Message-ID: <683d2585.f592.180be01fd04.Webtop.90@btinternet.com> Hi guys At the BBC Pensioners Assos we have copies of David's book - signed ?25. Do let us know if you want to buy a copy Cheers Sue ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" To: "David Taylor" Cc: "Tech ops" Sent: Friday, 13 May, 22 At 10:06 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Book review Sorry, Should have given the full title: The BBC, A People?s History. ? Graeme Wall On 13 May 2022, at 10:04, David Taylor wrote: Graeme, Nice to get a recommendation, which of his BBC history books was it? 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Sue ------ Original Message ------ From: "Paul Thackray via Tech1" To: "SUSAN MALDEN" ; "David Taylor" ; "Graeme Wall" ; "ravenscourt1_btinternet.com" Cc: "Tech 1" Sent: Friday, 13 May, 22 At 16:27 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Book review It's currently on Amazon (un signed) for ?12 Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 13 May 2022 16:21 To: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk; graeme.wall at icloud.com; ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Reply to: sue.malden at btinternet.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Book review Hi guys At the BBC Pensioners Assos we have copies of David's book - signed ?25. Do let us know if you want to buy a copy Cheers Sue ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" > To: "David Taylor" > Cc: "Tech ops" > Sent: Friday, 13 May, 22 At 10:06 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Book review Sorry, Should have given the full title: The BBC, A People?s History. ? Graeme Wall On 13 May 2022, at 10:04, David Taylor > wrote: Graeme, Nice to get a recommendation, which of his BBC history books was it? His latest must be 'A Peoples History' and apart from history of Radio 4, he wrote one called 'A Century on Air'. DT On 13 May 2022, at 09:26, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: Just finished reading David Hendy?s book on BBC history. A fascinating overview, I can thoroughly reccomend it. ? Graeme Wall -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidpcarter at btinternet.com Fri May 13 12:34:40 2022 From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 18:34:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Book review In-Reply-To: <2gjckmek36t1bplj8tbo4o7f.1652455648426@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <683d2585.f592.180be01fd04.Webtop.90@btinternet.com> <2gjckmek36t1bplj8tbo4o7f.1652455648426@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <16939f25.4e67.180be7ca333.Webtop.105@btinternet.com> From which ?12 David Hendy might receive ?0.01p, if he's lucky! David ------ Original Message ------ From: "Paul Thackray via Tech1" To: "SUSAN MALDEN" ; "David Taylor" ; "Graeme Wall" ; "ravenscourt1_btinternet.com" Cc: "Tech 1" Sent: Friday, 13 May, 2022 At 16:27 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Book review It's currently on Amazon (un signed) for ?12 Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 13 May 2022 16:21 To: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk; graeme.wall at icloud.com; ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Reply to: sue.malden at btinternet.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Book review Hi guys At the BBC Pensioners Assos we have copies of David's book - signed ?25. Do let us know if you want to buy a copy Cheers Sue ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" > To: "David Taylor" > Cc: "Tech ops" > Sent: Friday, 13 May, 22 At 10:06 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Book review Sorry, Should have given the full title: The BBC, A People?s History. ? Graeme Wall On 13 May 2022, at 10:04, David Taylor > wrote: Graeme, Nice to get a recommendation, which of his BBC history books was it? His latest must be 'A Peoples History' and apart from history of Radio 4, he wrote one called 'A Century on Air'. DT On 13 May 2022, at 09:26, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: Just finished reading David Hendy?s book on BBC history. A fascinating overview, I can thoroughly reccomend it. ? Graeme Wall -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Fri May 13 13:49:42 2022 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 19:49:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Don Smith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the information, Peter. I didn't know about his death, although he was an old friend. We had arranged to have a pub lunch when I was next near his home in Southgate. Besides being the only staff photographer that Radio Times ever had,, Don was also bass player for the Mike Daniels jazz band, which I used to see at the 100 Club in the late '50s and throughout the 1960s. My wife got to know him around that time when she worked at Radio Times, and we all became friends. A talented man and a sad loss. A brief notice about Don's death was issued by Radio Times: https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/radio-times-photographer-don-smith-dies-tribute/ KW On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 13:19, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > I see on an obit site that Don has died. > I know no more than that. > > Peter Neill > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri May 13 16:27:39 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 22:27:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Book review In-Reply-To: <16939f25.4e67.180be7ca333.Webtop.105@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9nio1au8d2rghju2vlae9b58.1652477259736@pgtmedia.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon May 16 05:03:04 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:03:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Affinity Message-ID: <25c48fa0-9435-8315-f86d-4dbb5f42de06@gmail.com> If, like me, you hate the idea of software subscriptions and you need a Photoshop substitute or a publisher, may I recommend Affinity, who are currently running their half price sale - https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/#buy ?B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsnape at talktalk.net Mon May 16 05:14:01 2022 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:14:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Affinity In-Reply-To: <25c48fa0-9435-8315-f86d-4dbb5f42de06@gmail.com> References: <25c48fa0-9435-8315-f86d-4dbb5f42de06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D1FF4D5-3722-4B64-94BE-CAAA530AA184@talktalk.net> That?s worth knowing, thank you from me too! Hugh > On 16 May 2022, at 11:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > If, like me, you hate the idea of software subscriptions and you need a Photoshop substitute or a publisher, may I recommend Affinity, who are currently running their half price sale - > > https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/#buy > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon May 16 05:24:33 2022 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:24:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Affinity In-Reply-To: <25c48fa0-9435-8315-f86d-4dbb5f42de06@gmail.com> References: <25c48fa0-9435-8315-f86d-4dbb5f42de06@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi The Affinity Designer - a vector drawing package from the same stable? - is excellent.? PS? Affinity used to be Serif who produced good, free, software. BR Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon May 16 05:29:34 2022 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:29:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Affinity In-Reply-To: <0D1FF4D5-3722-4B64-94BE-CAAA530AA184@talktalk.net> References: <25c48fa0-9435-8315-f86d-4dbb5f42de06@gmail.com> <0D1FF4D5-3722-4B64-94BE-CAAA530AA184@talktalk.net> Message-ID: I expect that Bernard's recommendation is a good alternative to Photoshop. However, there are free alternatives. Some will be OK if they happen to have the features that you want. Others probably offer few facilities. And, with some, the word "free" applies only to a download that will work properly only for a limited trial period. I've not checked Photoshop alternatives, but 17 possibles are here for anyone interested in investigating: https://skylum.com/blog/best-free-photoshop-alternatives KW On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 11:14, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: > That?s worth knowing, thank you from me too! > > Hugh > > On 16 May 2022, at 11:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > If, like me, you hate the idea of software subscriptions and you need a > Photoshop substitute or a publisher, may I recommend Affinity, who are > currently running their half price sale - > > https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/#buy > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(WordPress is becoming increasingly easier to use - you can now copy and paste (with care) from MS Word into WordPress - a great advantage.) Anyway, I hope this collection is enjoyable and acceptable to all, Very best regards, Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon May 16 07:06:31 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 13:06:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TO Topics 6 Spring 2022 In-Reply-To: <49be4a86-ed8d-26a2-580c-3d4fe706c9b8@gmail.com> References: <49be4a86-ed8d-26a2-580c-3d4fe706c9b8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62823e48.1c69fb81.e4739.8745@mx.google.com> I?m looking forward to reading your collection ? sorry that you have been impinged by Covid! There was an interesting programme on Radio, yes, steam radio! Radio 4Extra at 03:30 (I listen through the night, sometimes) ? ?The Lost Art of the TV Theme? Available on BBC Sounds for 29 days. As I and other hard-working Gram Ops often played these in, either as opening music or closers, this was a wallow in nostalgia (available from all good pharmacies ? bath toiletries). ?Dr. Who? featured, and I recall that the closing music had to be variable in length, depending on the roller caption. So after the main theme, there was a repeating rhythm vamp, which was terminated by a final chord played in off a second deck, as the director?s credit centred on screen. I was ashamed at how many series I couldn?t identify, although one recognised the music, of course. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 16 May 2022 12:37 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] TO Topics 6 Spring 2022 Hi All, Here is a collection of topics gleaned from your emails: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/05/topics-6-spring-2022 As some of you may know, I have had to stop collecting your emails for the Tech Ops web site because of a new wonderful granddaughter - and my wife's increasing problems with her mobility.? But a positive Covid Test (go straight to isolation, do not pass GO) and a remarkable EastEnders episode gave me the impetus and chance to collect some things together. There are MANY bits and Topics over the past 18months which are missing, and the current selection is rather eclectic? - but anyone can volunteer to fill in the bits and make the selections for the website, there are many of you who like writing !!!!? and who write well.... (WordPress is becoming increasingly easier to use - you can now copy and paste (with care) from MS Word into WordPress - a great advantage.) Anyway, I hope this collection is enjoyable and acceptable to all, Very best regards, Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon May 16 07:32:47 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 13:32:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] I feel so helpless. Message-ID: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> Just a rant. And to get it down on paper, knowing no-one directly concerned can read this. My next door neighbour is a near 90 year old widow who lives on her own. Who I get on well with over the past 40 years or so. She was actually born in her house and wants to die in it. A stubborn old lady - and nothing wrong with that. She has two married daughters and grand-kids, all of whom live reasonably close. She had both hips replaced some years ago, and they have worn out. So she is now housebound, and not even been out to her garden on a nice day - and terrified of Covid. She how lives in the kitchen, as unable to get upstairs. And I've not spoken to her for about two years - but do ask after her when I see one of the family visiting. Before that we'd have regular chats over the garden wall, etc. Her house has zero maintenance over the past 20 years or more. But the kids keep the gardens tidy. A couple of weeks ago, a water pipe burst in the cellar. Flooded that - and the house next to hers too (they are semis). The younger daughter attempted to turn off the stop cock in the cellar by wading though the water and received a bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E. Thames Water turned off the supply in the street. The electric people disconnected the power supply - no surprise as much of the wiring is pre-WW2. That all come from a son-in-law, a day or two after it happened. He had contacted the house insurance people and had a plumber round. Insurance company offered to put up the widow in an hotel until things sorted out - she refused. She won't go into a home either, I'm told. Plumber refused to work in what he called unsafe conditions. Insurance were meant to arrange to pump out the cellar, but nothing done over a week later. Her next door neighbour got theirs done the next day. So no water or electricity. I was told social services etc don't want to know as she is a houseowner. The house would sell in the current market for well over ?1M. I've run an extension lead from my house to her kitchen - fed off an RCBO protected socket in my house. So at least she has her TV, a table light, and her microwave for ready meals.? She is visited very day by one of the family to make sure of food and bottled water. She uses a commode. They've opened the manhole cover into the drains in the back garden and empty it into that. Not having water to flush the loo - there is a ground floor one. Youngest daughter talked to me yesterday. Said they are going to sell the house and buy a more suitable one for her. But none of the family have money - they all pretty well live day by day. So that will take a long time, I'd say. I've offered to help in any way I can. Organising repairs etc. But feel very frustrated by the lack of help they've had from the powers that be. If I'm being told the whole story. From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon May 16 08:01:05 2022 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 14:01:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TO Topics 6 Spring 2022 In-Reply-To: <62823e48.1c69fb81.e4739.8745@mx.google.com> References: <49be4a86-ed8d-26a2-580c-3d4fe706c9b8@gmail.com> <62823e48.1c69fb81.e4739.8745@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <49bb4ad4-73df-1d14-d321-79a3c4c9416a@gmail.com> Hi Pat (et al) Covid?? all boosted, no symptoms at all, just tested positive.? A few weeks earlier, had a "cold" which made thinking difficult - like peering (or thinking)? through soup. Covid has affected my wife's joints, apparently a known side effect of Covid. On 16/05/2022 13:06, patheigham wrote: > terminated by a final chord played in off a second deck Now that is very interesting indeed!.? Perhaps could do with an extended write-up!! As I recall on the programmes I worked on ("Softly Softly" and Dixon for example) the roller caption motor was speeded up or slowed down so that it ended in time with the music.? There was a speed control on the side of the roller caption machine.? I DO remember at least one programme where there was a huddle of people round the machine come run-through? trying to persuade the - who was it, scene operator or Sparks ?? -? that the control could be altered to change the speed of the roller to match the music. Best regards, Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsnape at talktalk.net Mon May 16 08:49:10 2022 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] I feel so helpless. In-Reply-To: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> References: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E37ADE9-CE63-4B23-985E-B14105DF48BF@talktalk.net> Hi Dave, Yes, a very upsetting situation for all concerned, and it?s so difficult when one is involved as a neighbour but not family. After I?d been made redundant from TV for the second time my life took a completely different direction as I embarked on a career with Devon Adult Services assessing just the sorts of situation you describe. Although I?m now retired I?m pretty sure what follows is still accurate: (i) It?s unfortunate your neighbour won?t take up the offer of hotel accommodation from the insurance company as this would put her in a safe place (most hotels have some adapted rooms to accommodate the less able these days) and the cost of this would also encourage the company to expedite the repairs to her home. (ii) Everyone is entitled to a needs assessment by the local authority regardless of their means. If they have savings of over ?23,250 then they would have to fund care themselves but although the local authority would strongly encourage them to make their own arrangements for that care it still has a duty to arrange that (privately funded) care if the person with needs so insists. (iii) With further regard to finance in the case of short term (e.g. respite) residential care the value of a persons ordinary residence (where they normally choose to live) is disregarded, just as it is for domiciliary care. It?s only when a person chooses to opt for long term residential care that the value of their home becomes relevant. (iv) One of the most frustrating aspects of cases such as this is often the fact that whilst a person is deemed to have mental capacity the law says that they must be permitted to make unwise decisions. Families sometimes find this difficult to understand, because, quite reasonably, they want the best (in their eyes) to be done for (to) the person with needs. The mental capacity act means that it?s the person themselves who must make decisions about their situation. I hope this is a bit helpful. Best wishes, Hugh NB there?s a good summary of the Care Act here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/care-act-2014-part-1-factsheets/care-act-factsheets and Age UK have some very useful factsheets too: https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/care/ > On 16 May 2022, at 13:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Just a rant. And to get it down on paper, knowing no-one directly concerned can read this. > > My next door neighbour is a near 90 year old widow who lives on her own. Who I get on well with over the past 40 years or so. She was actually born in her house and wants to die in it. A stubborn old lady - and nothing wrong with that. She has two married daughters and grand-kids, all of whom live reasonably close. > > She had both hips replaced some years ago, and they have worn out. So she is now housebound, and not even been out to her garden on a nice day - and terrified of Covid. She how lives in the kitchen, as unable to get upstairs. And I've not spoken to her for about two years - but do ask after her when I see one of the family visiting. Before that we'd have regular chats over the garden wall, etc. > > Her house has zero maintenance over the past 20 years or more. But the kids keep the gardens tidy. > > A couple of weeks ago, a water pipe burst in the cellar. Flooded that - and the house next to hers too (they are semis). The younger daughter attempted to turn off the stop cock in the cellar by wading though the water and received a bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E. > > Thames Water turned off the supply in the street. The electric people disconnected the power supply - no surprise as much of the wiring is pre-WW2. > > That all come from a son-in-law, a day or two after it happened. He had contacted the house insurance people and had a plumber round. Insurance company offered to put up the widow in an hotel until things sorted out - she refused. She won't go into a home either, I'm told. Plumber refused to work in what he called unsafe conditions. Insurance were meant to arrange to pump out the cellar, but nothing done over a week later. Her next door neighbour got theirs done the next day. > > So no water or electricity. I was told social services etc don't want to know as she is a houseowner. The house would sell in the current market for well over ?1M. > > I've run an extension lead from my house to her kitchen - fed off an RCBO protected socket in my house. So at least she has her TV, a table light, and her microwave for ready meals. 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon May 16 09:04:34 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 15:04:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] I feel so helpless. In-Reply-To: <3E37ADE9-CE63-4B23-985E-B14105DF48BF@talktalk.net> References: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> <3E37ADE9-CE63-4B23-985E-B14105DF48BF@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <1d46f3a7-8f63-2d3f-769c-9f67eb89c191@davesound.co.uk> Thanks Hugh. ???????????????????????? What does rather worry me is the family may not be working to her best interests. But more to protect their legacy. She has been helping them out for ages - buying used cars etc - even although her only income is the OAP and her late husband's pension, from being a posty. But, of course, she could well want to leave then the most she can too. I'm told she can't afford the costs of having the house repaired - new wiring and so on - most of which won't be covered by insurance. Or cope with the disruption of having strangers in the house to do the work. On 16/05/2022 14:49, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Dave, > > > Yes, a very upsetting situation for all concerned, and it?s so > difficult when one is involved as a neighbour but not family. > > After I?d been made redundant from TV for the second time my life took > a completely different direction as I embarked on a career with Devon > Adult Services assessing just the sorts of situation you describe. > Although I?m now retired I?m pretty sure what follows is still accurate: > > (i) It?s unfortunate your neighbour won?t take up the offer of hotel > accommodation from the insurance company as this would put her in a > safe place (most hotels have some adapted rooms to accommodate the > less able these days) and the cost of this would also encourage the > company to expedite the repairs to her home. > > (ii) Everyone is entitled to a needs assessment by the local authority > regardless of their means. If they have savings of over ?23,250 then > they would have to fund care themselves but although the local > authority would strongly encourage them to make their own arrangements > for that care it still has a duty to arrange that (privately funded) > care if the person with needs so insists. > > (iii) With further regard to finance in the case of short term (e.g. > respite) residential care the value of a persons ordinary residence > (where they normally choose to live) is disregarded, just as it is for > domiciliary care. It?s only when a person chooses to opt for long term > residential care that the value of their home becomes relevant. > > (iv) One of the most frustrating aspects of cases such as this is > often the fact that whilst a person is deemed to have mental capacity > the law says that they must be permitted to make unwise decisions. > Families sometimes find this difficult to understand, because, quite > reasonably, they want the best (in their eyes) to be done for (to) the > person with needs. The mental capacity act means that it?s the person > themselves who must make decisions about their situation. > > I hope this is a bit helpful. > > Best wishes, > > > Hugh > > NB there?s a good summary of the Care Act here: > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/care-act-2014-part-1-factsheets/care-act-factsheets?and > Age UK have some very useful factsheets too: > https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/care/ > > > > > > > >> On 16 May 2022, at 13:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Just a rant. And to get it down on paper, knowing no-one directly >> concerned can read this. >> >> My next door neighbour is a near 90 year old widow who lives on her >> own. Who I get on well with over the past 40 years or so. She was >> actually born in her house and wants to die in it. A stubborn old >> lady - and nothing wrong with that. She has two married daughters and >> grand-kids, all of whom live reasonably close. >> >> She had both hips replaced some years ago, and they have worn out. So >> she is now housebound, and not even been out to her garden on a nice >> day - and terrified of Covid. She how lives in the kitchen, as unable >> to get upstairs. And I've not spoken to her for about two years - but >> do ask after her when I see one of the family visiting. Before that >> we'd have regular chats over the garden wall, etc. >> >> Her house has zero maintenance over the past 20 years or more. But >> the kids keep the gardens tidy. >> >> A couple of weeks ago, a water pipe burst in the cellar. Flooded that >> - and the house next to hers too (they are semis). The younger >> daughter attempted to turn off the stop cock in the cellar by wading >> though the water and received a bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E. >> >> Thames Water turned off the supply in the street. The electric people >> disconnected the power supply - no surprise as much of the wiring is >> pre-WW2. >> >> That all come from a son-in-law, a day or two after it happened. He >> had contacted the house insurance people and had a plumber round. >> Insurance company offered to put up the widow in an hotel until >> things sorted out - she refused. She won't go into a home either, I'm >> told. Plumber refused to work in what he called unsafe conditions. >> Insurance were meant to arrange to pump out the cellar, but nothing >> done over a week later. Her next door neighbour got theirs done the >> next day. >> >> So no water or electricity. I was told social services etc don't want >> to know as she is a houseowner. The house would sell in the current >> market for well over ?1M. >> >> I've run an extension lead from my house to her kitchen - fed off an >> RCBO protected socket in my house. So at least she has her TV, a >> table light, and her microwave for ready meals.? She is visited very >> day by one of the family to make sure of food and bottled water. >> >> She uses a commode. They've opened the manhole cover into the drains >> in the back garden and empty it into that. Not having water to flush >> the loo - there is a ground floor one. >> >> Youngest daughter talked to me yesterday. Said they are going to sell >> the house and buy a more suitable one for her. But none of the family >> have money - they all pretty well live day by day. So that will take >> a long time, I'd say. >> >> I've offered to help in any way I can. Organising repairs etc. But >> feel very frustrated by the lack of help they've had from the powers >> that be. If I'm being told the whole story. >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John V From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon May 16 09:34:46 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 15:34:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme In-Reply-To: <2EE19634-4C79-41C0-BB7D-13AA91FDBA1D@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: Hi John, BBC Pension have stated it will not effect those already taking a pension or defered members, it might effect those who are still active members (Still paying in) Well worth the ?15 per year to join the BBCPA, might well cover the cost from discount offered, but worth it for extra info. The lady who manages the pension asset investments came to talk at the last AGM and gave lots of background on how they invest. (she was very positive about the current position, which was good to hear) Paul ? Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? 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URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Mon May 16 12:09:15 2022 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 18:09:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme In-Reply-To: <2EE19634-4C79-41C0-BB7D-13AA91FDBA1D@vincent68.plus.com> References: <2EE19634-4C79-41C0-BB7D-13AA91FDBA1D@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: When we on the Old Benefits scheme were awarded the sizeable increase on our pensions this year, while it was nice, it did make me wonder if there would be a claw back of some sort, perhaps a change in the rules about how the increases are calculated - or worse, a collapse of the fund itself. Perhaps Albert can offer a few words to alleviate such fears? Meanwhile I think it good if anyone eligible join the BBCPA. The annual subs are modest and easily offset by taking up any of the perks, subscription to RT being a case in point, to which I as a relatively new member can testify, Regards, Geoff > On 16 May 2022, at 15:14, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just had a letter from the Scheme informing me the BBC is going to Court to try and clarify the interpretation of some of the rules. Digging a bit deeper it seems they want to reduce their contribution to the scheme. Apparently it will not affect those of us on the Old Scheme rules. > > Does sort of ring some alarm bells! > > I?m joining the BBCPA now! > > John V > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon May 16 13:33:48 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 19:33:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme In-Reply-To: References: <2EE19634-4C79-41C0-BB7D-13AA91FDBA1D@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: <009e01d86953$7bf6e610$73e4b230$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Hi Geoff, The 'professional' Trustee (Responsible for Investing the Pension Fund), spoke at the BBCPA AGM a month ago. She was very positive that the fund was doing well and was doing better than other similar funds (Within the top 25% of similar funds) . The Fund has improved over the last few years. While nothing can be guaranteed, she gave the idea their was a lot of other things in the world to worry about before the BBC Pension Scheme! The BBC and quite a few organisations have tried to break the RPI <> Pension links in the courts, but have all failed. Unfortunately the government have decided to tackle the issue another way: Rather than change any pension schemes, the Government is going to change how RPI is calculated so its similar to CPIH from February 2030. Nothing the BBC can do, but if this happens, the rises for April 2030 will be based on RPI Dec 2029 or 10% which ever is the lower. The rises for April 2031 will be based on RPI Dec 2030 or 10% which ever is the lower but the RPI figure will be published as a smaller figure than would have been seen without the Government fiddling the figures ! Everything up to April 2031 should be unchanged (For old benefits members) I hope this helps. Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 16 May 2022 18:09 To: crew13 Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme When we on the Old Benefits scheme were awarded the sizeable increase on our pensions this year, while it was nice, it did make me wonder if there would be a claw back of some sort, perhaps a change in the rules about how the increases are calculated - or worse, a collapse of the fund itself. Perhaps Albert can offer a few words to alleviate such fears? Meanwhile I think it good if anyone eligible join the BBCPA. The annual subs are modest and easily offset by taking up any of the perks, subscription to RT being a case in point, to which I as a relatively new member can testify, Regards, Geoff > On 16 May 2022, at 15:14, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just had a letter from the Scheme informing me the BBC is going to Court to try and clarify the interpretation of some of the rules. Digging a bit deeper it seems they want to reduce their contribution to the scheme. Apparently it will not affect those of us on the Old Scheme rules. > > Does sort of ring some alarm bells! > > I?m joining the BBCPA now! > > John V > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Mon May 16 13:46:34 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 19:46:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme In-Reply-To: <009e01d86953$7bf6e610$73e4b230$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <2EE19634-4C79-41C0-BB7D-13AA91FDBA1D@vincent68.plus.com> <009e01d86953$7bf6e610$73e4b230$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: Just as an aside, even those who left the BBC Pension scheme are eligible to join BBC PA, on the basis that the majority of their fund accrued whilst working for Aunty. I am a case in point. Mike G > On 16 May 2022, at 19:33, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Geoff, > The 'professional' Trustee (Responsible for Investing the Pension Fund), spoke at the BBCPA AGM a month ago. She was very positive that the fund was doing well and was doing better than other similar funds (Within the top 25% of similar funds) . The Fund has improved over the last few years. While nothing can be guaranteed, she gave the idea their was a lot of other things in the world to worry about before the BBC Pension Scheme! > > The BBC and quite a few organisations have tried to break the RPI <> Pension links in the courts, but have all failed. > > Unfortunately the government have decided to tackle the issue another way: > > Rather than change any pension schemes, the Government is going to change how RPI is calculated so its similar to CPIH from February 2030. Nothing the BBC can do, but if this happens, the rises for April 2030 will be based on RPI Dec 2029 or 10% which ever is the lower. The rises for April 2031 will be based on RPI Dec 2030 or 10% which ever is the lower but the RPI figure will be published as a smaller figure than would have been seen without the Government fiddling the figures ! > > > Everything up to April 2031 should be unchanged (For old benefits members) > > I hope this helps. > Paul > > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > 07802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: 16 May 2022 18:09 > To: crew13 > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme > > When we on the Old Benefits scheme were awarded the sizeable increase on our pensions this year, while it was nice, it did make me wonder if there would be a claw back of some sort, perhaps a change in the rules about how the increases are calculated - or worse, a collapse of the fund itself. Perhaps Albert can offer a few words to alleviate such fears? > Meanwhile I think it good if anyone eligible join the BBCPA. The annual subs are modest and easily offset by taking up any of the perks, subscription to RT being a case in point, to which I as a relatively new member can testify, Regards, Geoff > >> On 16 May 2022, at 15:14, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Just had a letter from the Scheme informing me the BBC is going to Court to try and clarify the interpretation of some of the rules. Digging a bit deeper it seems they want to reduce their contribution to the scheme. Apparently it will not affect those of us on the Old Scheme rules. >> >> Does sort of ring some alarm bells! >> >> I?m joining the BBCPA now! >> >> John V >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Mon May 16 14:36:42 2022 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:36:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme In-Reply-To: <009e01d86953$7bf6e610$73e4b230$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <2EE19634-4C79-41C0-BB7D-13AA91FDBA1D@vincent68.plus.com> <009e01d86953$7bf6e610$73e4b230$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <00c101d8695c$457f0690$d07d13b0$@gmail.com> Thanks Paul, that's good to know and I can rest assured that Gibraltar may tumble, the Rockies may crumble but our BBC pension payments and increases are here to stay, for a few years yet anyway, Geoff -----Original Message----- From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sent: 16 May 2022 19:34 To: 'Geoffrey Hawkes' ; 'crew13' Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Paul Thackray - Main (paul at pgtmedia. co. uk) Subject: RE: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme Hi Geoff, The 'professional' Trustee (Responsible for Investing the Pension Fund), spoke at the BBCPA AGM a month ago. She was very positive that the fund was doing well and was doing better than other similar funds (Within the top 25% of similar funds) . The Fund has improved over the last few years. While nothing can be guaranteed, she gave the idea their was a lot of other things in the world to worry about before the BBC Pension Scheme! The BBC and quite a few organisations have tried to break the RPI <> Pension links in the courts, but have all failed. Unfortunately the government have decided to tackle the issue another way: Rather than change any pension schemes, the Government is going to change how RPI is calculated so its similar to CPIH from February 2030. Nothing the BBC can do, but if this happens, the rises for April 2030 will be based on RPI Dec 2029 or 10% which ever is the lower. The rises for April 2031 will be based on RPI Dec 2030 or 10% which ever is the lower but the RPI figure will be published as a smaller figure than would have been seen without the Government fiddling the figures ! Everything up to April 2031 should be unchanged (For old benefits members) I hope this helps. Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 16 May 2022 18:09 To: crew13 Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme When we on the Old Benefits scheme were awarded the sizeable increase on our pensions this year, while it was nice, it did make me wonder if there would be a claw back of some sort, perhaps a change in the rules about how the increases are calculated - or worse, a collapse of the fund itself. Perhaps Albert can offer a few words to alleviate such fears? Meanwhile I think it good if anyone eligible join the BBCPA. The annual subs are modest and easily offset by taking up any of the perks, subscription to RT being a case in point, to which I as a relatively new member can testify, Regards, Geoff > On 16 May 2022, at 15:14, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just had a letter from the Scheme informing me the BBC is going to Court to try and clarify the interpretation of some of the rules. Digging a bit deeper it seems they want to reduce their contribution to the scheme. Apparently it will not affect those of us on the Old Scheme rules. > > Does sort of ring some alarm bells! > > I?m joining the BBCPA now! > > John V > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Mon May 16 15:34:27 2022 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:34:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] I feel so helpless. In-Reply-To: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> References: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: I am sorry to hear this but there isn?t any help It doesn?t exist as far as I know from my experience and as the lady is still obviously in full possession of her marbles there are Denial of Liberty issues. My friend has been in a similar position but it was both her mother (dementia) and father (Brain injury from cancer which has caused cognitive issues) Father almost burnt the house down at one point and there was nothing that could be done. In the end Mum ended up in a home for her safety and the local authority launched a DoLs investigation. Nightmare doesn?t even cover it. They dropped the case after almost 18 months. I know of other friends each with their own nightmare too, I think it comes at this age, with elderly parents. I myself looked after both sets of parents and an elderly aunt so i know just how frustrating and time consuming and a minefield the whole thing is. Moral of this is make sure you have your own Power of Attorney sorted so your children will be able to look after your needs and more importantly your wishes. I am determined not to cause my children the same complex issues. I think what you are doing is admirable but it could be seen in a number of different ways. At least my parents were accommodating and persuaded when the time came for change My mother in law was a different story. Take care and I hope things resolve in some way soon. Sara . Sent from my iPad > On 16 May 2022, at 08:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just a rant. And to get it down on paper, knowing no-one directly concerned can read this. > > My next door neighbour is a near 90 year old widow who lives on her own. Who I get on well with over the past 40 years or so. She was actually born in her house and wants to die in it. A stubborn old lady - and nothing wrong with that. She has two married daughters and grand-kids, all of whom live reasonably close. > > She had both hips replaced some years ago, and they have worn out. So she is now housebound, and not even been out to her garden on a nice day - and terrified of Covid. She how lives in the kitchen, as unable to get upstairs. And I've not spoken to her for about two years - but do ask after her when I see one of the family visiting. Before that we'd have regular chats over the garden wall, etc. > > Her house has zero maintenance over the past 20 years or more. But the kids keep the gardens tidy. > > A couple of weeks ago, a water pipe burst in the cellar. Flooded that - and the house next to hers too (they are semis). The younger daughter attempted to turn off the stop cock in the cellar by wading though the water and received a bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E. > > Thames Water turned off the supply in the street. The electric people disconnected the power supply - no surprise as much of the wiring is pre-WW2. > > That all come from a son-in-law, a day or two after it happened. He had contacted the house insurance people and had a plumber round. Insurance company offered to put up the widow in an hotel until things sorted out - she refused. She won't go into a home either, I'm told. Plumber refused to work in what he called unsafe conditions. Insurance were meant to arrange to pump out the cellar, but nothing done over a week later. Her next door neighbour got theirs done the next day. > > So no water or electricity. I was told social services etc don't want to know as she is a houseowner. The house would sell in the current market for well over ?1M. > > I've run an extension lead from my house to her kitchen - fed off an RCBO protected socket in my house. So at least she has her TV, a table light, and her microwave for ready meals. She is visited very day by one of the family to make sure of food and bottled water. > > She uses a commode. They've opened the manhole cover into the drains in the back garden and empty it into that. Not having water to flush the loo - there is a ground floor one. > > Youngest daughter talked to me yesterday. Said they are going to sell the house and buy a more suitable one for her. But none of the family have money - they all pretty well live day by day. So that will take a long time, I'd say. > > I've offered to help in any way I can. Organising repairs etc. But feel very frustrated by the lack of help they've had from the powers that be. If I'm being told the whole story. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cfcea8385d50544958a8e08da37384548%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637883012065376676%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6i%2F19YnKqN9yvrQm3liU%2F4xjOwkAHIpU%2FlxjDmcTXcE%3D&reserved=0 From techtone at protonmail.com Mon May 16 15:34:33 2022 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:34:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TO Topics 6 Spring 2022 In-Reply-To: <49be4a86-ed8d-26a2-580c-3d4fe706c9b8@gmail.com> References: <49be4a86-ed8d-26a2-580c-3d4fe706c9b8@gmail.com> Message-ID: I for one, would like to thank Alec for all his work sifting through the past few years of rants, ravings, ramblings, remembering, reviewing, reviving, reruns, repeats and all the rest, too often a seemingly thankless task. I'm sorry to hear that it's taken a bout of Covid to provide the impetus to resume your efforts. Funnily enough, having steered clear of it up to now, both our daughter and granddaughter have just succumbed to it in the past few days, and we're hoping that they only have a relatively mild version, and that we didn't pick it up from them since we saw them last week! You've fortunately been spared many of my own diatribes, as I got so worn down by the amount time I had to spend on the computer ordering things, and trying to sort out missed, lost, and erroneous deliveries during lockdown, that I now shun the beast for several days at a time, and delete many emails after only reading the header (wait, no, no, not on tech ops, obviously!). In fact, thank you to all who take the time and trouble for contributing to this list, as it so often provides such interesting and useful information, and not forgetting Bernie for keeping all our balls in the air, especially the ones from Kerriemuir, thanks once again. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, May 16th, 2022 at 12:37, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi All, > > Here is a collection of topics gleaned from your emails: > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/05/topics-6-spring-2022 > > As some of you may know, I have had to stop collecting your emails for the Tech Ops web site because of a new wonderful granddaughter - and my wife's increasing problems with her mobility. But a positive Covid Test (go straight to isolation, do not pass GO) and a remarkable EastEnders episode gave me the impetus and chance to collect some things together. > > There are MANY bits and Topics over the past 18months which are missing, and the current selection is rather eclectic - but anyone can volunteer to fill in the bits and make the selections for the website, there are many of you who like writing !!!! and who write well.... > > (WordPress is becoming increasingly easier to use - you can now copy and paste (with care) from MS Word into WordPress - a great advantage.) > > Anyway, I hope this collection is enjoyable and acceptable to all, > > Very best regards, > > Alec > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue May 17 03:33:59 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 09:33:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories Message-ID: <96C09224-6488-4EBE-9AB3-D3C305EB63DC@me.com> Whenever there is a World Cup, it?s impossible for the British media to cover it without mentioning England in 1966. Similarly for the Eurovision Song Contest, it?s obligatory to mention ABBA winning in 1974. I was a young sound guy in those days and was part of the crew responsible for getting stage mics on and off. Before going further, it?s time for a trivia question. You either already know the answer, or won?t guess, even if you were given twenty guesses: Who represented the United Kingdom when ABBA won Eurovision in 1974? I?ll provide the answer later. If you?re in to Eurovision trivia, you might also like to guess who did the commentary for BBC TV? You might guess it was Terry Wogan and he was there, but did the radio commentary. The television commentary was done by David Vine. He did a straightforward commentary, quite unlike the style of commentary which was going to become established once Terry Wogan and then Graham Norton were handed the lip mic. The BBC agreed to host Eurovision because Luxembourg had won in ?72 and ?73, but didn?t want the expense of hosting the event for two successive years. The venue was The Dome in Brighton and it was televised as an OB. There were some interesting challenges on that show. It was a conventional theatre with a proscenium arch. The on-stage crew worked from the wings either side of the stage. The first challenge was that the stage sloped towards the audience. Not a lot, but enough to make tall microphone stands lean awkwardly away from the performers. The solution I came up with was to tape washers near the hinges of the feet on the microphone stand so that the foot pointing towards the audience is offset downwards just enough to make the mic column stand vertical. I couldn?t find any suitable washers on the scanner and the chippies only had stuff which would have looked weird. Fortunately there was an excellent old-fashioned hardware shop very close the the theatre, near The Lanes. I took one of our mic stands into the shop, along with a paper template for the angle it needed to adopt. The guy in the shop was great. When I explained what I was looking for, he fetched a big case of washers in little compartments. We found the ideal washers and I tried to buy a full box of that size so that we could tweak twenty or thirty microphone stands. He refused to accept any money, even though I explained I could reclaim it on expenses. He was thrilled that all those celebrities were in town and was delighted to help out. I asked his name, I think it was Kevin. A couple of days later I was able to take him a signed photograph of Olivia Newton John ( there?s your trivia answer ). She had written ?To Kevin, thanks for your help. Olivia?. To say he was delighted was something of an understatement. The washers worked perfectly, they could be taped close to the hinge and were invisible in shot. The next problem was also to do with the stage. The art dept had decided to cover it with an off-white fairly long pile carpet. Admittedly it looked great in shot and didn?t reflect too much light, but it was very difficult to put marks down for identifying the positioning of things. I ended up getting some white 1? diameter sticky labels. We could mark and label a position very easily, but the marks were inconspicuous in shot. Once an act were happy during rehearsal and the shots were decided, I could mark the spot for the mic stand and marked my script accordingly. Something like microphone VOX 3, Position E, tall stand extended to 135cm. Similar notes were made for all the other mics. Separate notes were made about microphone types and where they were plugged into the multi boxes. In those days backing tracks were not allowed. There was was a live orchestra and all on-stage instruments and backing singers had to be catered for. Some acts required quite a few microphones to be set and there might also be DI feeds from keyboards and isolating transformers too for amplifiers, keyboards and other equipment. Turn around between one act and the next was going to be rapid and of course it was a live show, so it all had to work efficiently. If I remember correctly, that year was the first time they covered the changeover between acts by running VT recordings of the artists rehearsing and doing the touristy things in town, therefore the time to changeover was fixed and couldn?t be extended in any way., We carefully noted any changes following each rehearsal and by the time of the dress rehearsal, it was running like clockwork. Once act 1 had been set, we could start to preset the heights for the stands for act 2 and gather everything together ready for the changeover. If microphone Vox 1 was used on consecutive acts, it was quicker to bring on a second mic stand set to the correct height for act 2, put it on its mark and swap the mic over before taking away the old mic stand. We pre set stuff in the wings while the previous act was performing. Being a theatre, the space in the wings was limited and there was loads of other stuff which needed to be there too, together with an ever increasing number of hangers-on who just wanted to watch the show from there. We had to be quite tactful but still forceful, telling people to go away so that we could have a little bit of space to do our job. We still ended up with people who stood on microphone cables while they were being run out - very few radio mics were used in those days. Fortunately as the changeovers were during VT inserts, no live sound was being transmitted from the stage, so if necessary, we could shout at the person to step away from the cables. I?ve never worked out how anybody can stand on a figure of eighted cable and be oblivious to it being uncoiled. At some point in the dress rehearsal, the proceedings had to be stopped for a few minutes - I can?t remember exactly why. The band on stage just sat on the comfy carpet and we all waited until we could continue. Except the band didn?t just sit there. They noticed that somebody had left a lot of round sticky labels on the carpet and ?helpfully? peeled them off so that it would look nice for the show. I didn?t immediately notice what they were doing, but by the time I realised and rushed on stage to stop them, the damage had been done. Fortunately I was trained to be a belt and braces sort of chap and as a precaution had marked up a copy of the stage plan with our microphone positions. It was possible to recreate our marks quite rapidly and as far as I?m aware, it worked accurately for the camera shots that had been rehearsed. The television show always ends with the winning act reprising their performance. During early rehearsals, any act might be called to be the ?winning? act for the purposes of rehearsal, but Michael Hurll felt that that for the dress rehearsal, choosing any particular country to pretend to be the winners might either give that act an unfair boost, or jinx them. His solution was to hire a chap called Norman Caley. He was an actor who also performed a novelty act where he sung the traditional song ?Galway Bay?. While he performed exuberant arm movements, his arms would gradually lengthen until they were about twenty feet across. It was one of those acts where initially you wonder what the hell is going on because he wasn?t much of a singer, but the audience slowly notice his arms lengthening until they reach comically absurd lengths. Michael Hurll didn?t tell the cameramen what to expect, he just directed them to shoot it wide. It was the perfect way to send performers and crew away in a good frame of mind ready for the live show. We had noticed ABBA very early on and felt that they were certain winners. We were able to get to the betting shop and place bets while the odds offered were still fairly attractive. I also placed a bet on Italy and that song did pretty well too. I don?t have any strong memories of the live show, so that?s probably a good thing. It must have gone well. Once we were off air, which always seem to involve an over run due to voting issues, the derig went very rapidly. Everything was packed away within a couple of hours and the sound crew went out for a celebratory meal. A late night table had been reserved at a nearby restaurant. Having spent most of that week in Brighton and worked intensively to get everything set up ready for the rehearsals and then the live show, adrenalin was kicking in quite significantly. Once it was over, it was definitely a well deserved opportunity to unwind, let our hair down and celebrate. There may have been wine! What do other people remember from Eurovision Song Contests? I have previously written about the 1979 Song for Europe show from the Albert Hall which was pulled at the last moment due to industrial action. Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 30110 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue May 17 04:09:41 2022 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:09:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories In-Reply-To: <96C09224-6488-4EBE-9AB3-D3C305EB63DC@me.com> References: <96C09224-6488-4EBE-9AB3-D3C305EB63DC@me.com> Message-ID: <3B5F1D2ABDF4466E9432F2CB7C294C1C@Gigabyte> My Song contest memories are much simpler! For 1974, I was stationed on Radio Links outside Brighton at Plumpton Plain where we had a van and also a scaffold tower as too many bits of links kit to fit on the roof. I seem to remember we sent pictures directly towards London and a standby route via Rowridge in Isle of Wight. I did get a chance to visit the Dome for a look around and noticed the lighting platform with really old Strand dimmers, a small more modern one and by the side a single ?Domestic? dimmer in a white plate ? all there then! Then for 1977 at Wembley Conference Centre, the link went straight to TC. Best bit there was the ?after show? dinner when we all had to wear DJs ? even the riggers. I still have my pass (not posting it cos of an embarrassing photo of me centuries ago). When will all out memories ever fade completely? Mike Jordan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue May 17 04:46:49 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:46:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories In-Reply-To: <3B5F1D2ABDF4466E9432F2CB7C294C1C@Gigabyte> References: <96C09224-6488-4EBE-9AB3-D3C305EB63DC@me.com> <3B5F1D2ABDF4466E9432F2CB7C294C1C@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <8d6ece33-a390-f446-31b4-de0d2d8ff099@gmail.com> Jim Moir, when Head of LE, used to say "We only want to come second" thus avoiding an enormous bill.? What's the betting that the BBC volunteers for next year. I made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBVy6Oavt9s , with a very talented Ealing cameraman called Peter...something..... At one point he had the camera upside down on the tripod, held on by his assistant.? The opening shot is me, and of course it was necessary to have one bottle of real champagne because the prop stuff is deliberately flat-ish.? Bucks Fizz got the flat stuff.? We took them to a smart Greek restaurant in Chiswick for lunch, and Cheryl Baker embarrassed the gathering by loudly asking for ketchup with her steak. B On 17/05/2022 10:09, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > My Song contest memories are much simpler! > For 1974, I was stationed on Radio Links outside Brighton at Plumpton > Plain where we had a van and also a scaffold tower as too many bits of > links kit to fit on the roof. > I seem to remember we sent pictures directly towards London and a > standby route via Rowridge in Isle of Wight. > I did get a chance to visit the Dome for a look around and noticed the > lighting platform with really old Strand dimmers, a small more modern > one and by the side a single ?Domestic? dimmer in a white plate ? all > there then! > Then for 1977 at Wembley Conference Centre, the link went straight to > TC. Best bit there was the ?after show? dinner when we all had to wear > DJs ? even the riggers. > I still have my pass (not posting it cos of an embarrassing photo of > me centuries ago). > When will all out memories ever fade completely? > Mike Jordan > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue May 17 04:55:37 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:55:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories In-Reply-To: <8d6ece33-a390-f446-31b4-de0d2d8ff099@gmail.com> References: <96C09224-6488-4EBE-9AB3-D3C305EB63DC@me.com> <3B5F1D2ABDF4466E9432F2CB7C294C1C@Gigabyte> <8d6ece33-a390-f446-31b4-de0d2d8ff099@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1027c9b0-d5df-11c5-95b7-57d032e944a6@davesound.co.uk> Isn't the cost shared? With such an enormous audience, it should be quite cheap TV? On 17/05/2022 10:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Jim Moir, when Head of LE, used to say "We only want to come second" > thus avoiding an enormous bill.? What's the betting that the BBC > volunteers for next year. > > I made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBVy6Oavt9s , with a > very talented Ealing cameraman called Peter...something..... At one > point he had the camera upside down on the tripod, held on by his > assistant.? The opening shot is me, and of course it was necessary to > have one bottle of real champagne because the prop stuff is > deliberately flat-ish.? Bucks Fizz got the flat stuff.? We took them > to a smart Greek restaurant in Chiswick for lunch, and Cheryl Baker > embarrassed the gathering by loudly asking for ketchup with her steak. > > B > > > > On 17/05/2022 10:09, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> My Song contest memories are much simpler! >> For 1974, I was stationed on Radio Links outside Brighton at Plumpton >> Plain where we had a van and also a scaffold tower as too many bits >> of links kit to fit on the roof. >> I seem to remember we sent pictures directly towards London and a >> standby route via Rowridge in Isle of Wight. >> I did get a chance to visit the Dome for a look around and noticed >> the lighting platform with really old Strand dimmers, a small more >> modern one and by the side a single ?Domestic? dimmer in a white >> plate ? all there then! >> Then for 1977 at Wembley Conference Centre, the link went straight to >> TC. Best bit there was the ?after show? dinner when we all had to >> wear DJs ? even the riggers. >> I still have my pass (not posting it cos of an embarrassing photo of >> me centuries ago). >> When will all out memories ever fade completely? >> Mike Jordan >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue May 17 05:04:27 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 11:04:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme In-Reply-To: <00c101d8695c$457f0690$d07d13b0$@gmail.com> References: <2EE19634-4C79-41C0-BB7D-13AA91FDBA1D@vincent68.plus.com> <009e01d86953$7bf6e610$73e4b230$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <00c101d8695c$457f0690$d07d13b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6283732c.1c69fb81.8d9c5.7619@mx.google.com> I may have posted the following before, but for those of you who might have missed it..... I resigned from the BBC in 1969, after eight years, and left my pension in, I case I needed to seek re-employment. I did not need to, having been fairly successful in my freelance career in the Film Industry, and had set up three SERA plans (L&G,AXA(Sun Life),NPI) via a broker, who wondered what the BBC Pension was worth, reckoning he could place it more advantageously. Enquiring of the BBC Pensions unit got the reply that as I had left before everything was computerised, they had no record of my contributions and therefore I did not have a pension! That was a pretty shitty attitude. Fortunately, I had kept all the correspondence relating to my decision to leave the pension in, and the BBC?s subsequent acknowledgement. After six months ? whoopee! They found it. It was worth ?3000 which was recovered and placed with the Prudential as a single premium. Altogether, the policies matured at around ?90K in total, at age 65, which bought two annuities, paying monthly amounts that keep me living reasonably comfortably. I permutated every combination of pension provider to find the best return, eventually settling on Aviva ? formerly Norwich Union. There are two types of annuities ? a Dynamic pension and a Level one. Dynamic keeps pace with inflation, but starts by giving a lower amount, Level stays the same, and starts higher. As I had no idea of my life expectancy ? who does! I wanted as much as possible from the word go, so chose Level. You can?t change horses in mid stream so one is committed. The Government allows you to take a tax-free cash sum out of the pot, up to a certain percentage, which as I needed to replace my 18 year old vehicle, was able to afford a nice new BMW Sports Coupe, which is now itself, thirteen years old! Still, it was my retirement present to myself. The mortgage on my flat had been paid off years ago, with one of the life insurance protection policies maturing, but I?m startled that I probably could not afford what would now be the current monthly rental on my flat, had I not bought the lease. Best regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: 16 May 2022 20:36 To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme (Sun Life) Geoff -----Original Message----- From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sent: 16 May 2022 19:34 To: 'Geoffrey Hawkes' ; 'crew13' Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Paul Thackray - Main (paul at pgtmedia. co. uk) Subject: RE: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme Hi Geoff, The 'professional' Trustee (Responsible for Investing the Pension Fund), spoke at the BBCPA AGM a month ago. She was very positive that the fund was doing well and was doing better than other similar funds (Within the top 25% of similar funds) . The Fund has improved over the last few years. While nothing can be guaranteed, she gave the idea their was a lot of other things in the world to worry about before the BBC Pension Scheme! The BBC and quite a few organisations have tried to break the RPI <> Pension links in the courts, but have all failed. Unfortunately the government have decided to tackle the issue another way: Rather than change any pension schemes, the Government is going to change how RPI is calculated so its similar to CPIH from February 2030. Nothing the BBC can do, but if this happens, the rises for April 2030 will be based on RPI Dec 2029 or 10% which ever is the lower. The rises for April 2031 will be based on RPI Dec 2030 or 10% which ever is the lower but the RPI figure will be published as a smaller figure than would have been seen without the Government fiddling the figures ! Everything up to April 2031 should be unchanged (For old benefits members) I hope this helps. Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 16 May 2022 18:09 To: crew13 Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Pension Scheme When we on the Old Benefits scheme were awarded the sizeable increase on our pensions this year, while it was nice, it did make me wonder if there would be a claw back of some sort, perhaps a change in the rules about how the increases are calculated - or worse, a collapse of the fund itself. Perhaps Albert can offer a few words to alleviate such fears? Meanwhile I think it good if anyone eligible join the BBCPA. The annual subs are modest and easily offset by taking up any of the perks, subscription to RT being a case in point, to which I as a relatively new member can testify, Regards, Geoff > On 16 May 2022, at 15:14, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just had a letter from the Scheme informing me the BBC is going to Court to try and clarify the interpretation of some of the rules. Digging a bit deeper it seems they want to reduce their contribution to the scheme. Apparently it will not affect those of us on the Old Scheme rules. > > Does sort of ring some alarm bells! > > I?m joining the BBCPA now! > > John V -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phider at gmx.com Tue May 17 05:05:59 2022 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 11:05:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories In-Reply-To: <8d6ece33-a390-f446-31b4-de0d2d8ff099@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1MaJ3n-1oMPU70me5-00WDW8@mail.gmx.net> Thursday!!!Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Date: 17/05/2022 10:47 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories Jim Moir, when Head of LE, used to say "We only want to come second" thus avoiding an enormous bill.? What's the betting that the BBC volunteers for next year. I made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBVy6Oavt9s , with a very talented Ealing cameraman called Peter...something..... At one point he had the camera upside down on the tripod, held on by his assistant.? The opening shot is me, and of course it was necessary to have one bottle of real champagne because the prop stuff is deliberately flat-ish.? Bucks Fizz got the flat stuff.? We took them to a smart Greek restaurant in Chiswick for lunch, and Cheryl Baker embarrassed the gathering by loudly asking for ketchup with her steak. B ? On 17/05/2022 10:09, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: My Song contest memories are much simpler! ? For 1974, I was stationed on Radio Links outside Brighton at Plumpton Plain where we had a van and also a scaffold tower as too many bits of links kit to fit on the roof. I seem to remember we sent pictures directly towards London and a standby route via Rowridge in Isle of Wight. I did get a chance to visit the Dome for a look around and noticed the lighting platform with really old Strand dimmers, a small more modern one and by the side a single ?Domestic? dimmer in a white plate ? all there then! ? Then for 1977 at Wembley Conference Centre, the link went straight to TC. Best bit there was the ?after show? dinner when we all had to wear DJs ? even the riggers. I still have my pass (not posting it cos of an embarrassing photo of me centuries ago). ? When will all out memories ever fade completely? ? Mike Jordan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue May 17 05:28:09 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 11:28:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories In-Reply-To: <8d6ece33-a390-f446-31b4-de0d2d8ff099@gmail.com> References: <96C09224-6488-4EBE-9AB3-D3C305EB63DC@me.com> <3B5F1D2ABDF4466E9432F2CB7C294C1C@Gigabyte> <8d6ece33-a390-f446-31b4-de0d2d8ff099@gmail.com> Message-ID: <628378ba.1c69fb81.bb876.7476@mx.google.com> Speaking of real Champagne, my story on one of the Bond?s with Roger Moore as 007... ?The Spy Who Loved Me? Scene @ Pinewood: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it was the real stuff. Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always after opening the bottle. Each time a fresh bottle. Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the director: ?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis grinned and said mildly: ?Roger, you are naughty!? Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the actors and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the champagne, and such was his nature that he thought all the crew should have a taste. Lovely guy! Cheryl would have been catered for in a Swedish self-service restaurant that I experienced. Condiments - Mayo, Salad cream, Ketchup were all at the counter in their own containers, but the delivery spout had what can only be described as a thick rubber johnny, which one ?milked? as if a cow?s udder! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 17 May 2022 10:47 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories of course it was necessary to have one bottle of real champagne because the prop stuff is deliberately flat-ish.? Bucks Fizz got the flat stuff.? We took them to a smart Greek restaurant in Chiswick for lunch, and Cheryl Baker embarrassed the gathering by loudly asking for ketchup with her steak. B ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue May 17 05:39:14 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 11:39:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] I feel so helpless. In-Reply-To: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> References: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <62837b53.1c69fb81.15045.7d31@mx.google.com> Sadly, if the lady won?t accept the offer of a temporary hotel, where she would be warm, comfortable and if there was room service ? fed. But the latter may not be available, as the insurers would go for the cheapest option. Good of you, Dave to run in a mains feed, but the tale of someone getting a severe shock implies that there is something very wrong with the house wiring, as more often than not, the earthing is to the rising main pipe. Modern buildings now have a problem in that the supply pipes are plastic. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 16 May 2022 13:33 To: TechOps Subject: [Tech1] I feel so helpless. Just a rant. And to get it down on paper, knowing no-one directly concerned can read this. My next door neighbour is a near 90 year old widow who lives on her own. Who I get on well with over the past 40 years or so. She was actually born in her house and wants to die in it. A stubborn old lady - and nothing wrong with that. She has two married daughters and grand-kids, all of whom live reasonably close. She had both hips replaced some years ago, and they have worn out. So she is now housebound, and not even been out to her garden on a nice day - and terrified of Covid. She how lives in the kitchen, as unable to get upstairs. And I've not spoken to her for about two years - but do ask after her when I see one of the family visiting. Before that we'd have regular chats over the garden wall, etc. Her house has zero maintenance over the past 20 years or more. But the kids keep the gardens tidy. A couple of weeks ago, a water pipe burst in the cellar. Flooded that - and the house next to hers too (they are semis). The younger daughter attempted to turn off the stop cock in the cellar by wading though the water and received a bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E. Thames Water turned off the supply in the street. The electric people disconnected the power supply - no surprise as much of the wiring is pre-WW2. That all come from a son-in-law, a day or two after it happened. He had contacted the house insurance people and had a plumber round. Insurance company offered to put up the widow in an hotel until things sorted out - she refused. She won't go into a home either, I'm told. Plumber refused to work in what he called unsafe conditions. Insurance were meant to arrange to pump out the cellar, but nothing done over a week later. Her next door neighbour got theirs done the next day. So no water or electricity. I was told social services etc don't want to know as she is a houseowner. The house would sell in the current market for well over ?1M. I've run an extension lead from my house to her kitchen - fed off an RCBO protected socket in my house. So at least she has her TV, a table light, and her microwave for ready meals.? She is visited very day by one of the family to make sure of food and bottled water. She uses a commode. They've opened the manhole cover into the drains in the back garden and empty it into that. Not having water to flush the loo - there is a ground floor one. Youngest daughter talked to me yesterday. Said they are going to sell the house and buy a more suitable one for her. But none of the family have money - they all pretty well live day by day. So that will take a long time, I'd say. I've offered to help in any way I can. Organising repairs etc. But feel very frustrated by the lack of help they've had from the powers that be. If I'm being told the whole story. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue May 17 06:50:16 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:50:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] I feel so helpless. In-Reply-To: <62837b53.1c69fb81.15045.7d31@mx.google.com> References: <5872bbf3-bd8b-58a8-a375-1a2b5bd28f63@davesound.co.uk> <62837b53.1c69fb81.15045.7d31@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It's been against regs for many a year to use a water main etc as the ground. In a relatively modern build - where the street wiring is designed for it - you use PME (protective multiple earth) where the supply neutral provides the ground. Older street supplies like here can use the sheath of the armoured supply cable to provide the ground - that's what I have here, and paid to have it provided. Other way is earth rods. But all the internal metal pipes in the house need to be bonded to the ground too - regardless of type of ground. Must admit to wondering here - as my incoming water main is lead, and the gas iron barrel. Both underground so in contact with the actual soil. So do wonder what does provide the best path to earth. On 17/05/2022 11:39, patheigham wrote: > > Sadly, if the lady won?t accept the offer of a temporary hotel, where > she would be warm, comfortable and if there was room service ? fed. > But the latter may not be available, as the insurers would go for the > cheapest option. > > Good of you, Dave to run in a mains feed, but the tale of someone > getting a severe shock implies that there is something very wrong with > the house wiring, as more often than not, the earthing is to the > rising main pipe. > > Modern buildings now have a problem in that the supply pipes are plastic. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > *From: *Dave Plowman via Tech1 > *Sent: *16 May 2022 13:33 > *To: *TechOps > *Subject: *[Tech1] I feel so helpless. > > Just a rant. And to get it down on paper, knowing no-one directly > > concerned can read this. > > My next door neighbour is a near 90 year old widow who lives on her own. > > Who I get on well with over the past 40 years or so. She was actually > > born in her house and wants to die in it. A stubborn old lady - and > > nothing wrong with that. She has two married daughters and grand-kids, > > all of whom live reasonably close. > > She had both hips replaced some years ago, and they have worn out. So > > she is now housebound, and not even been out to her garden on a nice day > > - and terrified of Covid. She how lives in the kitchen, as unable to get > > upstairs. And I've not spoken to her for about two years - but do ask > > after her when I see one of the family visiting. Before that we'd have > > regular chats over the garden wall, etc. > > Her house has zero maintenance over the past 20 years or more. But the > > kids keep the gardens tidy. > > A couple of weeks ago, a water pipe burst in the cellar. Flooded that - > > and the house next to hers too (they are semis). The younger daughter > > attempted to turn off the stop cock in the cellar by wading though the > > water and received a bad electric shock. Ended up in A&E. > > Thames Water turned off the supply in the street. The electric people > > disconnected the power supply - no surprise as much of the wiring is > > pre-WW2. > > That all come from a son-in-law, a day or two after it happened. He had > > contacted the house insurance people and had a plumber round. Insurance > > company offered to put up the widow in an hotel until things sorted out > > - she refused. She won't go into a home either, I'm told. Plumber > > refused to work in what he called unsafe conditions. Insurance were > > meant to arrange to pump out the cellar, but nothing done over a week > > later. Her next door neighbour got theirs done the next day. > > So no water or electricity. I was told social services etc don't want to > > know as she is a houseowner. The house would sell in the current market > > for well over ?1M. > > I've run an extension lead from my house to her kitchen - fed off an > > RCBO protected socket in my house. So at least she has her TV, a table > > light, and her microwave for ready meals. She is visited very day by > > one of the family to make sure of food and bottled water. > > She uses a commode. They've opened the manhole cover into the drains in > > the back garden and empty it into that. Not having water to flush the > > loo - there is a ground floor one. > > Youngest daughter talked to me yesterday. Said they are going to sell > > the house and buy a more suitable one for her. But none of the family > > have money - they all pretty well live day by day. So that will take a > > long time, I'd say. > > I've offered to help in any way I can. Organising repairs etc. But feel > > very frustrated by the lack of help they've had from the powers that be. > > If I'm being told the whole story. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue May 17 06:55:01 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:55:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Canon camera In-Reply-To: <654316B6-4175-417B-9FE3-8F7BBCFCB12F@me.com> References: <654316B6-4175-417B-9FE3-8F7BBCFCB12F@me.com> Message-ID: <559d035a-8d1d-4219-718f-cd4b4b67089b@gmail.com> Hi Alan Thanks for that, but I've spent my money now. After much research, I picked a Canon C100 Mk2. I pitched up at the Canon stand at the Media show on Wednesday to play with one, and discovered that they've stopped making them, after seven years. Not unreasonable I suppose, but my research showed that it had a pretty exact niche in the market, now apparently empty. A man on the Wex stand said it was his favourite, not that he could sell me one either.? He recommended a big used kit company called mpb.com, which actually I'd already found. I bought from them a C100 Mk2, and then looked at lenses. The Canon 24-70 seemed to be the one, but even second hand they cost a lot. New currently they are ?2109. MPB had a Tamron for much, much less and that's what I bought.?? I've been playing with the combination, and am very impressed. Both are like new and cost a bit over ?1800.?? I've used a good few small cameras since the 1995 VX1000, and can sort of work through where the controls I need are, a bit like getting into a new car.? This one is incredibly sensibly laid out, with all the things you need, and few that you don't eg I don't have a use for 4k, but I did want log if available. The push auto focus button is in exactly the right place, and the auto focus has various settings so that you get what you want, with manual on a ring.? The iris is on a wheel by your right finger. The two sound channels have individual separate controls, unlike the Z1 that I'm finally retiring, with easily accessible line/mic/48v switching, rather than in a menu. It records in AVCHD or mp4, which I thought were pretty much the same thing with one being a special instance of the other.? That's true, but the AVCHD recordings are higher spec for not a huge amount more data rate. And it records on bog standard SD cards - none of your fancy expensive proprietary cards. All good stuff - if only the script writing man would get his act together! 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After much research, I picked a Canon C100 Mk2. I pitched up at the Canon stand at the Media show on Wednesday to play with one, and discovered that they've stopped making them, after seven years. Not unreasonable I suppose, but my research showed that it had a pretty exact niche in the market, now apparently empty. A man on the Wex stand said it was his favourite, not that he could sell me one either. He recommended a big used kit company called mpb.com, which actually I'd already found. I bought from them a C100 Mk2, and then looked at lenses. The Canon 24-70 seemed to be the one, but even second hand they cost a lot. New currently they are ?2109. MPB had a Tamron for much, much less and that's what I bought. I've been playing with the combination, and am very impressed. Both are like new and cost a bit over ?1800. I've used a good few small cameras since the 1995 VX1000, and can sort of work through where the controls I need are, a bit like getting into a new car. This one is incredibly sensibly laid out, with all the things you need, and few that you don't eg I don't have a use for 4k, but I did want log if available. The push auto focus button is in exactly the right place, and the auto focus has various settings so that you get what you want, with manual on a ring. The iris is on a wheel by your right finger. The two sound channels have individual separate controls, unlike the Z1 that I'm finally retiring, with easily accessible line/mic/48v switching, rather than in a menu. It records in AVCHD or mp4, which I thought were pretty much the same thing with one being a special instance of the other. That's true, but the AVCHD recordings are higher spec for not a huge amount more data rate. And it records on bog standard SD cards - none of your fancy expensive proprietary cards. All good stuff - if only the script writing man would get his act together! B [If0mcToPbcVmhHrn.png] On 17/05/2022 11:19, Alan Taylor wrote: Hi Bernie, If I remember correctly, you recently posted about getting a new Canon camera. I didn?t take too much interest at the time as it?s not my speciality and I?ve since deleted that email, but you might be interested in this second hand one which I spotted this morning ? https://www.bblist.co.uk/item.php?item=78838 I?ve bought and sold stuff on BB list and it works well. Transactions are safe too. BB list was set up by an ex-BBC Wales guy. All the best Alan -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: If0mcToPbcVmhHrn.png Type: image/png Size: 1395052 bytes Desc: If0mcToPbcVmhHrn.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: If0mcToPbcVmhHrn.png Type: image/png Size: 1395052 bytes Desc: If0mcToPbcVmhHrn.png URL: From colin at colinhassell.com Tue May 17 12:45:54 2022 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 18:45:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision Song Contest memories In-Reply-To: <8d6ece33-a390-f446-31b4-de0d2d8ff099@gmail.com> References: <96C09224-6488-4EBE-9AB3-D3C305EB63DC@me.com> <3B5F1D2ABDF4466E9432F2CB7C294C1C@Gigabyte> <8d6ece33-a390-f446-31b4-de0d2d8ff099@gmail.com> Message-ID: The 1982 Eurovision Song Contest was from Harrogate?s brand new Conference Centre, Michael Hurll Producing. I was part of the Sound Crew running the stage - with Pete Hales our SA1. Sound Supervisor was the great Chris Holcombe. There were no Radio Mics, it was all cabled. We had a collection of AKG 451 Hand Mics & 451s with VR1 & VR2 extensions, plus other stands as necessary. Up to 6 performers per country, so there could be changes involving 6 cabled mics on, 6 cabled mics off. We were based in no-mans land between the camera-left side of stage and the additional staging full of Orchestra (lead by Ronnie Hazelhurst). Exiting from stage, having done the change, involved us diving under the Mid-shot shot of the Conductor as they were introduced prior to the song. Rehearsals were long and intense and we made copious notes of; mic type, stand (or if handed to performer), positions of any stands & cable routes. The Stage was covered in tiny labelled marks for each song, together with similar marks put down by the set crew for various items; chairs, risers, pianos, etc. Following the Dress Run the Designer, Graeme Story, had the whole stage recovered in that ?sticky backed plastic? floor film. You have never seen so many people on their hands & knees, armed with pen-knives, feeling for the marks under the film, and cutting round them to reveal the labels. Nicole won for Germany and, on her winner?s reprise, sang the song in 4 different languages - not rehearsed and a complete surprise to us all. Hard work but a fabulous experience to be part of such a show. Come on Mike Jordan, I?ll show you mine where?s yours? Colin Hassell colin at colinhassell.com +44-(0)7973-802722 St Albans, Herts, UK > On 17 May 2022, at 10:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > Jim Moir, when Head of LE, used to say "We only want to come second" thus avoiding an enormous bill. What's the betting that the BBC volunteers for next year. > > I made this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBVy6Oavt9s , with a very talented Ealing cameraman called Peter...something..... At one point he had the camera upside down on the tripod, held on by his assistant. The opening shot is me, and of course it was necessary to have one bottle of real champagne because the prop stuff is deliberately flat-ish. Bucks Fizz got the flat stuff. We took them to a smart Greek restaurant in Chiswick for lunch, and Cheryl Baker embarrassed the gathering by loudly asking for ketchup with her steak. > > B > > > > On 17/05/2022 10:09, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> My Song contest memories are much simpler! >> >> For 1974, I was stationed on Radio Links outside Brighton at Plumpton Plain where we had a van and also a scaffold tower as too many bits of links kit to fit on the roof. >> I seem to remember we sent pictures directly towards London and a standby route via Rowridge in Isle of Wight. >> I did get a chance to visit the Dome for a look around and noticed the lighting platform with really old Strand dimmers, a small more modern one and by the side a single ?Domestic? dimmer in a white plate ? all there then! >> >> Then for 1977 at Wembley Conference Centre, the link went straight to TC. Best bit there was the ?after show? dinner when we all had to wear DJs ? even the riggers. >> I still have my pass (not posting it cos of an embarrassing photo of me centuries ago). >> >> When will all out memories ever fade completely? >> >> Mike Jordan >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue May 17 15:55:45 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 21:55:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Canon camera In-Reply-To: References: <654316B6-4175-417B-9FE3-8F7BBCFCB12F@me.com> <559d035a-8d1d-4219-718f-cd4b4b67089b@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f0c79b6-cf0c-37dc-a913-2395b1118716@gmail.com> I'm interested. I currently have a Manfrotto 503HDV, and the head wasn't the greatest engineering even when new.? Tell me about yours. B On 17/05/2022 15:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I have here a highly suitable fluid head tripod if you have a need for > one. It?s new and unused and up for grabs for ?75 if anyone wants it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk Sat May 21 08:37:19 2022 From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce) Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 13:37:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] April edition of Prospero Message-ID: <7ED97943-5413-41DA-8080-84508BA9F20A@cam.ac.uk> Dear all, My dad?s obituary appeared in the April edition of Prospero. Does anyone have a hardcopy that they don?t want? If so, would they be willing to send it to me? Best wishes, Robin Sent from my iPhone From davewagner at gmx.com Sat May 21 09:30:03 2022 From: davewagner at gmx.com (GMX) Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 15:30:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] April edition of Prospero Message-ID: <304FB834-5DE8-446D-B287-B190F1B84F48@gmx.com> Hi Robin. I still have my April issue of Prospero with your dad?s obituary. Very happy to post to you if you let me have your address. Dave Wagner Sent by Dave from his phone. > On 21 May 2022, at 14:37, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Dear all, > > My dad?s obituary appeared in the April edition of Prospero. Does anyone have a hardcopy that they don?t want? If so, would they be willing to send it to me? > > Best wishes, > > Robin > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Mon May 23 06:40:49 2022 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 12:40:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Don Smith funeral today In-Reply-To: <161dde3a-beda-8556-05b2-8cdd59141d58@gmail.com> References: <161dde3a-beda-8556-05b2-8cdd59141d58@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b215083-f5e5-2864-b306-a44c29d9384b@armoor.co.uk> Hello, Does anyone know if Don's funeral is being live streamed and if so, do they know the URL, passwords etc? Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue May 24 03:12:19 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 09:12:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Canine exemptions Message-ID: <6C32D77488B4473A914EBBFEA82F84E0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Thought you dog owners/enthusiasts might like this. Public footpath at Solva, Pembrokeshire, 18th May 2022. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Tue May 24 06:08:27 2022 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 11:08:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canine exemptions In-Reply-To: References: <6C32D77488B4473A914EBBFEA82F84E0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Brilliant All dogs now called Esme for the day Sx Sent from my iPhone On 24 May 2022, at 04:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? Our two Cavalier King Charles Spaniels are convinced that when on their leads, it?s so that they can keep US under control. And I have to admit, they are doing a pretty good job! N. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 On 24 May 2022, at 09:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? Thought you dog owners/enthusiasts might like this. Public footpath at Solva, Pembrokeshire, 18th May 2022. Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue May 24 06:09:17 2022 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 12:09:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Canine exemptions In-Reply-To: <6C32D77488B4473A914EBBFEA82F84E0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <6C32D77488B4473A914EBBFEA82F84E0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <8D2189FD-FC97-4320-A95A-8A7057D25E15@btinternet.com> Nice expensive cast iron dog sign near Wooburn Common but, as teacher used to write;?.."SP See me"! Barry On 24 May 2022, at 09:12, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Thought you dog owners/enthusiasts might like this. Public footpath at Solva, Pembrokeshire, 18th May 2022. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SP See me.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 209336 bytes Desc: not available URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Tue May 24 06:22:24 2022 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 11:22:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canine exemptions In-Reply-To: <8D2189FD-FC97-4320-A95A-8A7057D25E15@btinternet.com> References: <6C32D77488B4473A914EBBFEA82F84E0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <8D2189FD-FC97-4320-A95A-8A7057D25E15@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Dyslexic special! Sx Sent from my iPhone On 24 May 2022, at 07:10, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: ? Nice expensive cast iron dog sign near Wooburn Common but, as teacher used to write;?.."SP See me"! Barry [SP See me.jpg] On 24 May 2022, at 09:12, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: Thought you dog owners/enthusiasts might like this. Public footpath at Solva, Pembrokeshire, 18th May 2022. Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SP See me.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 209336 bytes Desc: SP See me.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:09 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Canine exemptions Nice expensive cast iron dog sign near Wooburn Common but, as teacher used to write;?.."SP See me"! Barry On 24 May 2022, at 09:12, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Thought you dog owners/enthusiasts might like this. Public footpath at Solva, Pembrokeshire, 18th May 2022. Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please either respond to me or to Robin directly on rerb2 at cam.ac.uk if you can help, Thanks, Geoff Hawkes From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu May 26 05:36:06 2022 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 11:36:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1953 OB Farnborough Message-ID: I am sure that many of you will have seen this This is from Geoffrey Negus on the BBC Alumni website (what do you mean, you are not a BBC Alumnus?) *Geoffrey Negus* One for OB types: much of my time is devoted to sorting material for an aviation history archive. I'm going through a bequest from an air traffic controller, who - not surprisingly? - often photographed control towers. He was a controller at the 1953 Farnborough Air Show. Gazing at a shot of the tower there, I noticed a figure on the roof. What a great vantage point! May be a black-and-white image of 2 people and outdoors Your comments .... Best regards, Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1Q2oON3AcsdNCJ4b.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23636 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu May 26 06:56:20 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 12:56:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1953 OB Farnborough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E669F3-7852-4B6C-AEA2-557FF99CC22E@icloud.com> Nice picture ? Graeme Wall > On 26 May 2022, at 11:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > > > I am sure that many of you will have seen this > > This is from Geoffrey Negus on the BBC Alumni website > > (what do you mean, you are not a BBC Alumnus?) > > > > > > Geoffrey Negus > > One for OB types: much of my time is devoted to sorting material for an aviation history archive. I'm going through a bequest from an air traffic controller, who - not surprisingly? - often photographed control towers. He was a controller at the 1953 Farnborough Air Show. Gazing at a shot of the tower there, I noticed a figure on the roof. What a great vantage point! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <1Q2oON3AcsdNCJ4b.jpg> > > > > > > Your comments .... > > Best regards, > > Alec > > > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu May 26 08:09:52 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 14:09:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1953 OB Farnborough In-Reply-To: <44E669F3-7852-4B6C-AEA2-557FF99CC22E@icloud.com> References: <44E669F3-7852-4B6C-AEA2-557FF99CC22E@icloud.com> Message-ID: I haven?t a clue about who might be operating the camera, but I was wondering about the lens. 1953 was pretty early for zoom lenses, but but that doesn?t look like a Rank Taylor Hobson Varatal III 5:1 zoom lens, which was the only one I know of from then. What do you camera guys reckon was being used? A zoom, or a big prime lens? There were probably a lot of ex-RAF aerial reconnaissance lenses available at that time which might be adaptable for TV cameras. That lens certainly does look like it?s a zoom, but the cameraman only appears to be using one hand, which suggests that it?s not a zoom ? or maybe he?s just relaxing. I wondered if there might be more info or pictures online. I couldn?t find any mention of Farnborough 1953 on the BBC Genome, which seemed odd. On YouTube there is a Movietone film of that year?s air show and it includes some panning shots which include what might be TV camera scaffolding towers, but it was too blurry to make out any detail. Plenty of nice shots of aircraft of that time for anybody interested in such things. Alan > On 26 May 2022, at 12:56, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Nice picture > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 26 May 2022, at 11:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> I am sure that many of you will have seen this >> >> This is from Geoffrey Negus on the BBC Alumni website >> >> (what do you mean, you are not a BBC Alumnus?) >> >> >> >> >> >> Geoffrey Negus >> >> One for OB types: much of my time is devoted to sorting material for an aviation history archive. I'm going through a bequest from an air traffic controller, who - not surprisingly? - often photographed control towers. He was a controller at the 1953 Farnborough Air Show. Gazing at a shot of the tower there, I noticed a figure on the roof. What a great vantage point! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <1Q2oON3AcsdNCJ4b.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> >> Your comments .... >> >> Best regards, >> >> Alec >> >> >> >> -- >> ======= >> >> Alec Bray >> >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> >> Mob: 07789 561 346 >> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu May 26 08:22:04 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 14:22:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1953 OB Farnborough In-Reply-To: References: <44E669F3-7852-4B6C-AEA2-557FF99CC22E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <809B6BF70DA147B984F85574F9A66562@0023242e4e14> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > I couldn?t find any mention of Farnborough 1953 on the BBC Genome, which > seemed odd. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f37baadadaad4421b64e378a4f177873 From simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com Thu May 26 08:26:08 2022 From: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com (Simon Vaughan) Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 14:26:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1953 OB Farnborough In-Reply-To: References: <44E669F3-7852-4B6C-AEA2-557FF99CC22E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1760C493-78E9-44BA-9F52-A6E3BEF8A32C@gmail.com> I think it?s a Watson zoom lens. We had one on display in Studio A as part of the temporary TV museum at AP. I do have a photograph of it on display, but struggling to find it. Here is a photograph of the one held by the Science Museum, and a link to further photographs https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co416954/watson-varifocal-zoom-lens-model-75-6-7-1948-zoom-lens . This one appears to have been used at the Coronation in 1953. Simon Vaughan ============================== Mob: 07791 780882 Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com ============================== > On 26 May 2022, at 14:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I haven?t a clue about who might be operating the camera, but I was wondering about the lens. > > 1953 was pretty early for zoom lenses, but but that doesn?t look like a Rank Taylor Hobson Varatal III 5:1 zoom lens, which was the only one I know of from then. What do you camera guys reckon was being used? A zoom, or a big prime lens? > > There were probably a lot of ex-RAF aerial reconnaissance lenses available at that time which might be adaptable for TV cameras. That lens certainly does look like it?s a zoom, but the cameraman only appears to be using one hand, which suggests that it?s not a zoom ? or maybe he?s just relaxing. > > I wondered if there might be more info or pictures online. I couldn?t find any mention of Farnborough 1953 on the BBC Genome, which seemed odd. On YouTube there is a Movietone film of that year?s air show and it includes some panning shots which include what might be TV camera scaffolding towers, but it was too blurry to make out any detail. Plenty of nice shots of aircraft of that time for anybody interested in such things. > > Alan > >> On 26 May 2022, at 12:56, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Nice picture >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 26 May 2022, at 11:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I am sure that many of you will have seen this >>> >>> This is from Geoffrey Negus on the BBC Alumni website >>> >>> (what do you mean, you are not a BBC Alumnus?) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Geoffrey Negus >>> >>> One for OB types: much of my time is devoted to sorting material for an aviation history archive. I'm going through a bequest from an air traffic controller, who - not surprisingly? - often photographed control towers. He was a controller at the 1953 Farnborough Air Show. Gazing at a shot of the tower there, I noticed a figure on the roof. What a great vantage point! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <1Q2oON3AcsdNCJ4b.jpg> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Your comments .... >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ======= >>> >>> Alec Bray >>> >>> >>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >>> >>> Mob: 07789 561 346 >>> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A zoom, or a big prime lens? > > There were probably a lot of ex-RAF aerial reconnaissance lenses available at that time which might be adaptable for TV cameras. That lens certainly does look like it?s a zoom, but the cameraman only appears to be using one hand, which suggests that it?s not a zoom ? or maybe he?s just relaxing. > > I wondered if there might be more info or pictures online. I couldn?t find any mention of Farnborough 1953 on the BBC Genome, which seemed odd. On YouTube there is a Movietone film of that year?s air show and it includes some panning shots which include what might be TV camera scaffolding towers, but it was too blurry to make out any detail. Plenty of nice shots of aircraft of that time for anybody interested in such things. > > Alan > >> On 26 May 2022, at 12:56, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Nice picture >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 26 May 2022, at 11:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I am sure that many of you will have seen this >>> >>> This is from Geoffrey Negus on the BBC Alumni website >>> >>> (what do you mean, you are not a BBC Alumnus?) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Geoffrey Negus >>> >>> One for OB types: much of my time is devoted to sorting material for an aviation history archive. I'm going through a bequest from an air traffic controller, who - not surprisingly? - often photographed control towers. He was a controller at the 1953 Farnborough Air Show. Gazing at a shot of the tower there, I noticed a figure on the roof. What a great vantage point! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <1Q2oON3AcsdNCJ4b.jpg> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Your comments .... >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ======= >>> >>> Alec Bray >>> >>> >>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >>> >>> Mob: 07789 561 346 >>> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu May 26 10:18:43 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 16:18:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1953 OB Farnborough In-Reply-To: <1760C493-78E9-44BA-9F52-A6E3BEF8A32C@gmail.com> References: <1760C493-78E9-44BA-9F52-A6E3BEF8A32C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08037E91-6C89-4356-8EA8-795A8117AF4F@me.com> Yes, it looks exactly like the Watson zoom. The Farnborough Air show was in September, so it was only a few months after the Coronation. It could even be that very same lens as the one now in the Science Museum collection. However it?s not quite that simple. The Science Museum say that the Watson lens was used with a Pye mk III camera, but when Peter Dimmock was interviewed about the Coronation, he said ?I?d managed to bully Broadcasting House to give us enough money to buy the image orthicon zoom camera from Marconi?. Dimmock talks as though there was only the one zoom lens in use, so I don?t know whether it was a Marconi camera used with that Watson lens, or else a different zoom lens was used on the Coronation?s Marconi zoom camera. The other possibility is that Dimmock mis-remembered, but my hunch is that he did remember correctly and it definitely was a Marconi camera because he was quite specific about that detail. Does anybody know for sure which camera and zoom lens were used? Any photographs taken at the time showing it? Zoom lenses were quite a novelty in 1953 so it might well have been photographed. Some of my old OB colleagues told me that the Coronation was the first time a zoom lens was used on OBs and I had no reason to doubt them, but I have recently discovered this Wireless World article which states that a zoom lens was used on coverage of the 1949 Cup Final. This particular zoom lens was placed in front of a prime lens. It could be used with any lens up to 2? in diameter, with an angle of less than 30? and offered a 4:1 zoom range. Alan > On 26 May 2022, at 14:26, Simon Vaughan wrote: > > ?I think it?s a Watson zoom lens. We had one on display in Studio A as part of the temporary TV museum at AP. I do have a photograph of it on display, but struggling to find it. > > Here is a photograph of the one held by the Science Museum, and a link to further photographs https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co416954/watson-varifocal-zoom-lens-model-75-6-7-1948-zoom-lens. This one appears to have been used at the Coronation in 1953. > > > Simon Vaughan > > ============================== > Mob: 07791 780882 > > Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com > ============================== > > > > >> On 26 May 2022, at 14:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I haven?t a clue about who might be operating the camera, but I was wondering about the lens. >> >> 1953 was pretty early for zoom lenses, but but that doesn?t look like a Rank Taylor Hobson Varatal III 5:1 zoom lens, which was the only one I know of from then. What do you camera guys reckon was being used? A zoom, or a big prime lens? >> >> There were probably a lot of ex-RAF aerial reconnaissance lenses available at that time which might be adaptable for TV cameras. That lens certainly does look like it?s a zoom, but the cameraman only appears to be using one hand, which suggests that it?s not a zoom ? or maybe he?s just relaxing. >> >> I wondered if there might be more info or pictures online. I couldn?t find any mention of Farnborough 1953 on the BBC Genome, which seemed odd. On YouTube there is a Movietone film of that year?s air show and it includes some panning shots which include what might be TV camera scaffolding towers, but it was too blurry to make out any detail. Plenty of nice shots of aircraft of that time for anybody interested in such things. >> >> Alan >> >>> On 26 May 2022, at 12:56, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Nice picture >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 26 May 2022, at 11:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am sure that many of you will have seen this >>>> >>>> This is from Geoffrey Negus on the BBC Alumni website >>>> >>>> (what do you mean, you are not a BBC Alumnus?) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Geoffrey Negus >>>> >>>> One for OB types: much of my time is devoted to sorting material for an aviation history archive. I'm going through a bequest from an air traffic controller, who - not surprisingly? - often photographed control towers. He was a controller at the 1953 Farnborough Air Show. Gazing at a shot of the tower there, I noticed a figure on the roof. What a great vantage point! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <1Q2oON3AcsdNCJ4b.jpg> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Your comments .... >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Alec >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ======= >>>> >>>> Alec Bray >>>> >>>> >>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> Mob: 07789 561 346 >>>> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5lcZJUMReSZ9h1I5.png Type: image/png Size: 499119 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: GWVPmiqutp3t50ia.png Type: image/png Size: 304314 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu May 26 12:31:31 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 18:31:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1953 OB Farnborough Message-ID: ? Thanks Alec, that ties up the loose ends. That?s clearly a zoom lens and looks to be the Watson. Accounts of coverage inside the Abbey only seem to mention one zoom lens, used for the camera over the west door, which was able to maintain a continuous close up as the newly crowned Queen approached the door after the climax of the ceremony. I had assumed that only one zoom was used on the Coronation broadcast, which seems to be true for the coverage within the Abbey. I had overlooked the possibility that one or more zoom lenses might also used for exterior shots. It looks like the apparently conflicting accounts might be simultaneously correct. Presumably the Marconi zoom camera was used inside and the Pye / Watson zoom was used outside for the procession. The Watson lens in the Science Museum collection was used for the Coronation OB coverage, but was not for the coverage inside the Abbey, which is what I assumed they were claiming. 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Because NELCO made aircraft parts amongst other things, he had tickets for the Farnborough Air Show, and I was lucky, and very nearly somewhat unlucky, to be in the audience just feet from where the De Haviland 110 crashed, sending a jet engine tearing through the audience not far from us, killing 39 people. A terrifying sight, still burned deep into my memory today. The thing that really upset this ten-year-old was that the show just carried on as if nothing had happened. Pix and newsreel footage on Youtube shows that the public got much closer to the action in those days! TV cameras and Varotals, etc., weren?t on my radar then - that was to come eight years later. Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 > On 26 May 2022, at 14:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I haven?t a clue about who might be operating the camera, but I was wondering about the lens. > > 1953 was pretty early for zoom lenses, but but that doesn?t look like a Rank Taylor Hobson Varatal III 5:1 zoom lens, which was the only one I know of from then. What do you camera guys reckon was being used? A zoom, or a big prime lens? > > There were probably a lot of ex-RAF aerial reconnaissance lenses available at that time which might be adaptable for TV cameras. That lens certainly does look like it?s a zoom, but the cameraman only appears to be using one hand, which suggests that it?s not a zoom ? or maybe he?s just relaxing. > > I wondered if there might be more info or pictures online. I couldn?t find any mention of Farnborough 1953 on the BBC Genome, which seemed odd. On YouTube there is a Movietone film of that year?s air show and it includes some panning shots which include what might be TV camera scaffolding towers, but it was too blurry to make out any detail. Plenty of nice shots of aircraft of that time for anybody interested in such things. > > Alan > >> On 26 May 2022, at 12:56, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Nice picture >> ? >> Graeme Wall >>>> On 26 May 2022, at 11:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >>> I am sure that many of you will have seen this >>> This is from Geoffrey Negus on the BBC Alumni website >>> (what do you mean, you are not a BBC Alumnus?) >>> Geoffrey Negus >>> One for OB types: much of my time is devoted to sorting material for an aviation history archive. I'm going through a bequest from an air traffic controller, who - not surprisingly? - often photographed control towers. He was a controller at the 1953 Farnborough Air Show. Gazing at a shot of the tower there, I noticed a figure on the roof. What a great vantage point! >>> <1Q2oON3AcsdNCJ4b.jpg> >>> Your comments .... >>> Best regards, >>> Alec >>> -- >>> ======= >>> Alec Bray >>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >>> Mob: 07789 561 346 >>> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri May 27 04:57:24 2022 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 10:57:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Request for a copy of the Calendar that Roger Bunce made - job done Message-ID: <64C67AB4-78DB-4344-A63B-9DA74B0B990F@gmail.com> Dear All, This is to say that two people responded to the request I relayed from Robin Bunce for a copy of the calendar that Roger had made, so thanks to Dave Wagner and Roy Bailey that?s now done, Geoff Geoff From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk Sat May 28 06:21:30 2022 From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce) Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 11:21:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Request for a copy of the Calendar that Roger Bunce made - job done In-Reply-To: <64C67AB4-78DB-4344-A63B-9DA74B0B990F@gmail.com> References: <64C67AB4-78DB-4344-A63B-9DA74B0B990F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A052753-7868-47E5-B5A1-195555A5A31E@cam.ac.uk> Thank you to everyone on the Tech-Ops list for their help sourcing a copy of my Dad?s Callander. It?s so nice to see it again. Lots of love, Robin Sent from my iPhone > On 27 May 2022, at 10:57, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Dear All, > This is to say that two people responded to the request I relayed from Robin Bunce for a copy of the calendar that Roger had made, so thanks to Dave Wagner and Roy Bailey that?s now done, > Geoff > > > Geoff > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=05%7C01%7Crerb2%40universityofcambridgecloud.onmicrosoft.com%7C7f49469dadaf48d4655908da3fc75a18%7C49a50445bdfa4b79ade3547b4f3986e9%7C0%7C0%7C637892422679521898%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0ENv2D6jFOLc0yWkM4p3zJcG%2Bij2Gv1g5lvNh7aqNt4%3D&reserved=0 From waresound at msn.com Sat May 28 13:23:47 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 18:23:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] NVMe SSD caddy Message-ID: My lovely wife saw this neat little Chinese-made SSD drive caddy on my desk and fell about laughing. 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