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MCR21 Newsletter March? 2022


  NEWSLETTER

March 2022

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The Broadcast Television Technology Trust
has become the proud owner of a
Pye Mk 6 camera.


Brian Summers collects the camera on a pallet from the Science Museum 
store at Wroughton, near Swindon

There was a really exciting discovery when Brian unpacked the camera 
back at BTTT HQ, There is a plate on the rear of the camera head that 
reads 21/4. This means that it was camera 4 from MCR21. The camera has 
been re-united with its control room - at last! The camera does need 
quite a bit of TLC to get it back to its original appearance. That is 
not surprising, considering its history.

After it spent some five years on the road with MCR21, we believe that 
it was one of the cameras which was installed in the BBC?s theatre in 
Golders Green, where a number of light entertainment shows were 
produced, whilst the BBC theatre at Shepherds Bush was being 
refurbished. The Pye Mk 6 cameras remained there until the early 1970s 
when the BBC sold off their monochrome equipment. Two Mk 6 cameras 
(including ours) were bought by BRES, an amateur radio organisation 
based in Bromley. They used them in their TV outside broadcast van, 
before selling them to a dealer who stored them in a garage in 
Ilfracombe, Devon.

Fortunately, Bob Warren, a manager at Thames TV, had permission from the 
company to start an historic collection of broadcast television 
equipment. Bob heard about the two Mk 6 cameras and bought them for the 
Thames collection. In 1981 Thames lost its ITV franchise. The 
collection, which was being kept at Alexandra Palace had to go. Bob got 
in touch with John Trenouth, who was at that time Curator of Broadcast 
Television at the Museum of Photography Film and Television in Bradford 
- which was part of the Science Museum Group. John agreed to take in the 
complete Thames collection. Two lorry loads of equipment arrived from 
Alexandra Palace at Bradford. The cameras became part of the National 
Collection and, after being stored at Bradford for a number of years, 
were transferred to the Science Museum main storage facility at 
Wroughton. A long journey but now, thanks to the help of many of the 
curators at the Science Museum Group, one of the Pye Mk 6 cameras will 
be on display with MCR21.

 ?MCR21 has been chosen as one of the
BBC 100 Objects
That tell the story of the BBC since it was formed in 1922
You will find MCR21 somewhere between the Mastermind chair and Morph

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Volunteer, Paul Read, starts another series of informative videos. This 
time restoring MCR21's battery charger


*CAN YOU HELP?*
Now there seems little chance of saving this 1960s
ATV OB 6.
Unless you know someone who would like to take on this mammoth 
restoration project?


    BBC Television OBs
    in the North of England
    PART ONE


Jerry Clegg and Robin Stonestreet tell the story of BBC Outside 
Broadcasts in the North
Part One?? 1951 - 1980

With the opening of the Holme Moss television transmitter near 
Huddersfield on 12^th October 1951, it became possible to link OBs from 
the North of England back down the distribution network to London. Early 
OBs from the North were serviced by what was then known as the ?Midland 
and North? Unit, MCR10, based in Birmingham, equipped with 3? Marconi 
image orthicon cameras. Probably the most notable programme from that 
era would be the first edition of /The Good Old Days/, broadcast live 
from the City Varieties Theatre in Leeds in 1953. Television production 
in the North expanded rapidly with the opening of the Manchester OB base 
in 1955, followed shortly afterwards by the Dickenson Road Studios.

Camera operator, Don Mackay, using a Marconi Mk 1b camera from MCR10 in 1954

Don Mackay again. This time behind a Marconi Mk 111 camera outside the
Plymouth Grove OB base in 1955

The BBC studios
in the former Weslyan chapel at Rusholme

The OB base was located in a disused church in Plymouth Grove, 
Longsight, Manchester 12, with additional parking and storage facilities 
at Daisy Works, a little way down Stockport Road. The studios were about 
a mile away in a disused Weslyan chapel in Rusholme, Manchester 14, 
which had formerly been a film studio. The brand new North Region OB 
unit MCR13 (PGN813) was based on a Bedford rigid vehicle, the first of 
four for the BBC, each equipped with three Marconi Mk.3 cameras using 
the new four and a half inch image orthicon tubes. Initially, there was 
a great deal of trouble with microphony in these camera tubes affecting 
the pictures, and this took quite a while to sort out. The condition was 
not cured in time for the first scheduled OB, which was to have been 
snooker from the Tower Circus at Blackpool, so the Scottish unit was 
brought down from East Kilbride to do that one. The first actual OB by 
MCR13 was Rugby League from Keighley at the beginning of March 1955.

The OB fleet at that time comprised the scanner with its camera van and 
articulated cable tender plus a general-purpose truck, three radio links 
trucks and a 60ft Eagle Tower plus two Land Rovers.

It was a time of great innovation on television OBs and shows produced 
in Manchester included /Saturday Night Out/ and live helicopter coverage 
of the opening of the Preston Bypass, Britain?s first stretch of 
motorway. There were programmes from Calder Hall, the first nuclear 
power station and from the ferry Royal Iris out in the River Mersey. The 
illuminations at Blackpool featured several times and included the first 
live pictures from a moving tram! The Grand National at Aintree was 
televised for the first time in 1960 and stewards there complained that 
Roving Eye-2 from London was too tall and obscured their view of the 
horses. It was also found not to have sufficient acceleration to keep up 
with the horses. As a result, engineers in Plymouth Grove built Roving 
Eye 3, the BBC?s first high-speed Roving Eye, mounting a Marconi Mk.3 
camera on top of a Humber Super Snipe estate car - 256BLA - and towing a 
small generator

In an era just prior to the advent of electronic news gathering and 
portable single cameras, the Roving Eye could occasionally prove to be a 
valuable asset to genres other than sport. With just three crew and 
without any outside assistance it could provide live pictures within 
minutes of arriving on the scene of a news event. Admittedly, it was 
still necessary to provide terrestrial vision and sound circuits back to 
the studio centre, but that problem could be overcome by radio links.
In 1963 the Roving Eye went across to Dublin and assisted the fledgling 
Irish TV service, Telefis Eireann, with live coverage of the visit by 
President John F Kennedy. In 1964 the Roving Eye provided live pictures 
from the scene of the Cheadle Hulme train crash, when three people were 
killed and a large number injured following a serious derailment in the 
station. In 1965 the Roving Eye put to sea on a barge to cover the 
launch of the tanker /British Admiral/ in Barrow.
Two years later it sent live coverage from the scene of the Stockport 
Air Disaster, when 72 people died as an Argonaut airliner crashed near 
the centre of the town.

The OB fleet had been augmented in October 1961 by the addition of a 
Morris videotape truck (265BLA), housing an Ampex VR 1000 2? quad VTR. 
The North?s first VTR enabled programmes to be sourced from venues 
difficult to service by radio links, such as parts of the Lake District. 
It also provided recording facilities for Studio A, on which occasions 
it was parked in a special bay in Rusholme Telephone exchange.

MCR 13 - Below the production area
inside the unit

MCR13 served for 12 years in Manchester. Its last OB was Rugby League 
from Leigh in 1967, and it was then transferred to Leeds and derigged 
into an old church hall to provide facilities for the introduction of 
the Leeds
opt-out version of /Look North/, BBC North's regional news programme. It 
was replaced in Manchester by two former London units MCR19 - 364DXP and 
MCR 22 - 389EHX - equipped with Pye Mk.6 cameras. These units were two 
of a batch of ten, which had a relatively short service life as 
monochrome units, being gradually replaced by colour units from about 1969.

Above- MCR19, a Pye-built unit, as MCR21 is, and a cutaway diagram,
showing the equipment inside

Based on Albion Clydesdale chassis with Leyland 400 engines, these 
type-2 Units CMCR7 (AMU374H) and CMCR8 (AMU386H) were first taxed in 
Sept / Oct 1969. They were equipped with 4 x Pye PC80 cameras operating 
on G101 cable with Varitol zoom lenses made by Rank Taylor Hobson.? One 
monochrome unit, MCR19 went to Edinburgh and was re-fitted as a 
two-camera colour unit with PC60 cameras. MCR22 was sold to Jordan TV.

Worthy of a mention at this point is an ancient caravan, which was 
fitted out with a single PC80 camera in the early 70s. The vision 
equipment was mounted on Dexion racks and the sound side was cobbled 
together on a sort of ?kitchen table? affair. In spite of its very 
humble appearance the caravan had quite an illustrious career, being 
used for many general election hustings and various other contributions. 
The highlight of its career was being used as the ?transmission gallery? 
for the first World Snooker Championship to take place at the Crucible 
in Sheffield.
Also during the 70s, the redundant Studio A in Dickenson Road was fitted 
out as a drive-in? studio, linked with a colour scanner parked over the 
road by the former Sunday School building. Popular programmes from the 
drive-in Studio A included /A Question of Sport /and the quiz programme 
/Face the Music/ presented by /Joseph Cooper./ It continued in use until 
shortly before Dickenson Road was demolished in early 1976.

The Plymouth Grove / Daisy Works OB base soldiered on, serving the two 
colour units and getting ever more congested until the excellent 
purpose-built OB base at New Broadcasting House in Oxford Road opened in 
1976.

The 2-channel LMCR (UYL852S)? with two Philips LDK15 cameras and two 
helican scan VPR-2? 1? VTRs- was added to the fleet in 1978 and became a 
useful resource for the regional magazine programmes from Manchester, 
Leeds & Newcastle. These cameras were replaced with 3 x Philips LDK614 
cameras in June 1986 in time for the Commonwealth Games from Edinburgh. 
The LDK614s were a temporary solution until the new mixed field LDK54s 
were delivered in December. The LDK54?s were replaced in September 1990 
with 4 x Ikegami TA79 triax CCUs, running firstly HL95 3 tube cameras, 
then HL99 IT CCD cameras. These were replaced with HL55 FIT CCDs in 
August 1991.

In 1980 a third type-2 was added to the Manchester fleet, CMCR 9 
(AMU418H), another PC80 equipped unit. This unit had started life in 
Kendal Avenue as LO 5, then been swapped with CMCR 6 in Birmingham in 
the early 70s, so that London had all EMI 2001 equipped units. In 1979 
it was decided to retain only one large unit? in Birmingham and to base 
a third large unit in Manchester, so CMCR 9 and a selection of staff? 
were transferred to Manchester. CMCR 9 became North 3.

The first North 3, a Type 2 colour unit equipped with PC 80 cameras, has 
been lovingly restored to full working order by Steve Harris. You can 
find out more by visiting the North 3 website

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The following article by Barrie Dodd was first published in 2019 in the 
magazine of the Guild of TV Professionals, Zerb. Thank you to Barrie 
Dodd and the publishers of Zerb for allowing it to be included in this 
Newsletter


*...AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.....*

Well it does features some iconic vintage ?? ????? cameras .........a 
Philips PC80 LDK13
 ???????????????? and an EMI 2008



The release of the multi-award winning feature Bohemian Rhapsody last 
year brought back some memories for one of the GTC's longest-standing 
members, 2007 TiCA winner, Barrie Dodd. Back in 1975, Barrie and some 
colleagues turned up for work one day for just another job - that job 
was to shoot the iconic 'Bohemian Rhapsody' video. Not only was this 
quickly put-together recording extraordinary at the time for the way the 
in-camera visual effects were used to reflect the unusual track, but 
also it would effectively mark the start of the whole genre of the pop 
music video and ultimately the 'MTV' age.

/*Barrie tells the story.*/

/My family recently booked tickets to see the movie Bohemian Rhapsody. 
?You must come,? they said. I wasn?t so sure, as I had worked on the 
original ?pop video?, as it was then called. Also, in the ensuing years, 
I had worked on many amazing Queen concerts and videos, so in a way I 
didn?t want to break the spell with this attempt to reproduce them on 
?lm. Actually it was rather good. After about 10 minutes, I began to 
settle back and enjoy the casting ? in some moments spookily good ? and, 
of course, the music. It?s all about the music.

*A regular day at the office!*

Recollection is a funny thing, as all sorts of memories pop in and out 
of one?s mind, and it becomes hard to work out a proper timeline of the 
events of that day back in 1975 when we shot the video. At the time it 
was just another quick job.
But, brie?y, I was one of four cameramen working for Trilion, one of the 
early broadcast facilities companies. Trilion had grown out of Lion 
Television, part of British Lion Films based at Shepperton Studios, 
owned by the Boulting brothers, which was then taken over by the 
Shef?eld brothers,who had started and owned the Trident sound studios in 
St Anne?s Court, Soho.
Because the ITV regional group of broadcasters, Anglia, Tyne Tees and 
Yorkshire, already traded under the brand Trident, a name combining 
?Tri? and ?Lion? was chosen ? and Trilion was born.
The camera team for the shoot was headed by the brilliant Dave Swan (a 
founder Council member of the GTC, who tragically died in a hotel ?re on 
holiday some years later), along with Mike Fitch, Dave Barber aka 
?Rocket? (also very early GTC members) and me. The director was Bruce 
Gowers, with whom we had already worked on various music shoots, and who 
had also directed a video of Queen?s 1974 concert at the Rainbow 
Theatre. The performance was to be recorded at the group?s pre-tour 
rehearsal studio (stage 9 at Elstree ? now a car park).

*Cobbling together some kit. *

We had a great team of engineers, sound and riggers at Trilion, who 
could respond quickly to the challenges of any new job ? which was just 
as well since our main four-camera scanner had recently been sold to a 
German broadcaster (don?t ask), and we had been left with just a VT unit 
aptly named Mack Sennett because the huge 2-inch machine lurched it over 
to one side to an almost comical degree! As for cameras, we had just one 
Philips PC80 and an LDK 13. With less than a day?s notice, our 
ever-inventive senior vision engineer, Colin Reynolds (later nicknamed 
Barnes Wallace), had to source another two or three cameras to make it 
all happen. He managed to borrow a new EMI 2005, along with all the 
necessary racks etc., from a conference suite at Heathrow. He also 
secured from Ewarts (later Capital) Studios in Wandsworth, a German-made 
Fernseh camera. Amazingly, somehow these were all plumbed into a Merc 
van (sorry, ?temporary scanner?) and ready to shoot by early evening.

*In-camera visual effects*

This was all achieved in time for Freddie and the rest of the band to 
arrive early evening. First of all, a small area was prepared at the 
side of the rehearsal stage to set up the iconic faces shot. This showed 
the four band members singing the a capella part of the song and was 
modelled on the cover photo by Mick Rock from their album ?Queen II?, 
which had been released the year before. This in turn had been inspired 
by a photograph of Marlene Dietrich and was the band?s favourite image 
of themselves. The shot was lit by Richard Thompson under the direction 
of Bruce Gowers and Dave Swan, working closely with Freddie./

/Next we set up the famous video ?howlround? shot by feeding a MCU of 
Freddie from one camera into a monitor and then mixing the output of 
another camera pointing at the monitor to make the image feedback or 
multiply itself, much like the effect that happens when a sound 
microphone hears itself. At ?rst, the image repeat was too random, so 
more control was needed. This was achieved by mounting the large PC80 
camera on a geared Moy head (borrowed from the studio) at 180 degrees in 
order to tilt and stabilise the image so that it tailed off in a precise 
diagonal across the screen in time to the music (a broadcast studio TV 
camera on a ?lm Moy head mount was not a usual sight in the 1970s!). The 
?nal in-camera effect was the multi-image shot featuring multiple 
repeated faces of the band. The inventive and always helpful John 
Henshall, founder and owner of specialist ?lters company Telefex (and 
now GTC President), had been asked if he could supply a multifaceted 
prism lens, but at this short notice his wasn?t available. John 
suggested the ATV studios across the way, who had something similar, and 
he would supply a wooden support frame. ATV head of cameras, Reg Clowes, 
kindly obliged ? but the prism didn?t ?t the frame. So, to save time, we 
just handheld it in front of the lens ? and held our breath. It worked!
Finally, we shot the band on their rehearsal stage giving a full-out 
performance for the hard rock section of the song, using their own tour 
lighting setup. We secured a couple of takes of that and then it was 
onto the ?nal shot of Roger Taylor hitting the gong, stripped to the 
waist, in an echo of the well-known Rank Organisation ident. Rocket shot 
this on the LDK 13 with a 3?1 zoom attached to a ?xed wide-angle 
adaptor. This was early optics, without any back focus device. As Roger 
hit the gong, the director suddenly said ?Zoom in?? as always, Rocket 
made it happen!
Then it was a wrap and a rush to the pub (they had licensing hours 
then!). Under the skilled ?oor management of Jim McCutcheon it had all 
come together and we had made it. The band had been great to work with 
as well. As the video was needed for a show the next week, the edit was 
also done in super-quick time ? just ?ve hours./

/*The birth of the music video.*

Although some artists, notably The Beatles, had been making short 
promotional video clips for a while (including Queen themselves ? ?Keep 
Yourself Alive?, ?Seven Seas of Rhye? and ?Killer Queen? already had 
short promo videos), it was only after the success of ?Bohemian 
Rhapsody? that it became regular practice for record companies to 
produce full-length videos to accompany single releases, meaning the 
music could be broadcast on shows like Top of the Pops without the 
artist having to appear in person. The videos also gave artists control 
over the visuals accompanying their tracks instead of
dance routines from groups like Pan?s People. According to Brian May 
(Queen lead guitarist), the ?Bohemian Rhapsody? video was produced so 
that the band could avoid miming on Top of the Pops, since it would have 
been hard to mime convincingly to such a complex song. And so, a major 
new genre was born!
With its operatic overtones and mystical lyrics, ?Bohemian Rhapsody? 
didn?t immediately ?t with most rock and roll songs. It was also unusual 
in that it was nearly six minutes long at a time when the norm was 
nearer three minutes. Funny how 40 years on it still captures so many 
people?s imagination ? maybe in some part due to that rapidly recorded 
and edited rather quirky video.
Afternote
Some years after Trillion had moved to a larger base, it began dubbing 
the bulky old 2-inch tapes to the latest 1-inch format. One evening, as 
I was leaving, there was a large yellow skip next to my motorbike, full 
to the brim with the now unneeded 2-inch tapes in their blue boxes.
?Hey,? called out one of the engineers, ?That?s Bohemian Rhapsody, do 
you want it??
?No, I can?t get it on my bike,? I replied. Whoops!
It was only after the success of 'Bohemian Rhapsody? that it became 
regular practice for record companies to produce full-length videos to 
accompany single releases./

>From Left? - Dave Swan helps Rocket into an early Steadicam ? Dave Swan? 
and Barrie Dodd?? -
- Mike Fitch with an EMI 2008 ?
A more recent photo of Barrie and Rocket, still good friends!
Barrie Dodd? 2019

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar  2 04:23:13 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:23:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Covid alert
Message-ID: <270c675a-3a34-381f-2683-3e77f8e993fe@btinternet.com>

I received a message on my mobile yesterday from +447708699972 to tell 
me that 'I have been in close contact with someone who has recently been 
isolating. Please order a test kit - https://pcr-home-test-kit.com '. My 
wife said I should order one straight away! We also had a phone call at 
0810 which I didn't answer, when I rang back there was a long speech in 
Urdu or Hindi follwed by a short sentence in English. Cheers, Dave



From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 04:31:34 2022
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:31:34 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Covid alert
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References: <270c675a-3a34-381f-2683-3e77f8e993fe@btinternet.com>
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Hello Dave

This is a well known scam. Worth signing up to Which? Scam alerts service -
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More info on the NHS site -
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om-fraud

Cheers

Rob

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Subject: [Tech1] Covid alert

I received a message on my mobile yesterday from +447708699972 to tell me
that 'I have been in close contact with someone who has recently been
isolating. Please order a test kit - https://pcr-home-test-kit.com '. My
wife said I should order one straight away! We also had a phone call at
0810 which I didn't answer, when I rang back there was a long speech in Urdu
or Hindi follwed by a short sentence in English. Cheers, Dave


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From david.jasma at sky.com  Wed Mar  2 04:46:19 2022
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:46:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Covid alert
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My wife received a similar text a few days ago. However, the current 
edition of Computer Active carried a scam warning - see attached.
So I was able to out her mind at ease.

Dave Buckley

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed Mar  2 04:49:09 2022
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:49:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  MCR21 Newsletter
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Hi Bernie & Nick,
	 Interesting item. There?s an ancient picture of Dickenson Road Studio A where TOTP used to be done. 
In February 1972 ( just over 50 years ago!!) during the miners' strike myself and Al Thorpe were sent there as boom operators to do a week?s worth of Playschool as there were a lot of power cuts in London shutting down TVC.
 John Drake was the Sound Supervisor and I think John Howarth did Grams. We had a lot of fun and John Drake?s knowledge of local hostelries was invaluable! 
At the end of the week we went with the lady director to a local pub for a few drinks. We were subject to quite a few rude comments from the locals for ?allowing a woman to buy drinks?!
The miners? strike ended three days later! 

I took a very similar picture of the Studio which is a close match of the one in the MCR21 Newsletter.??.feel free Nick to use it if you wish.

Regards 
	Barry.



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From doug at puddifoot.me  Wed Mar  2 04:57:33 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 10:57:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Covid alert
Message-ID: <5va7rfy0qh0139o2bv0688s4.1646218425664@email.android.com>

I have had several of these, and wondered how the scam worked. Apparently the link takes you to a fake website where you are asked to pay a small amount on a card for delivery, and they take your details. Shortly after you get a phone call from your "bank". The scammers  have enough information from the card payment to convince some people it is a genuine call. They are told that their bank account is compromised, and they need to transfer all their money into a new "safe" account. You can guess the rest. One report suggests the scam has netted nearly a million pounds this year alone.

Doug

On 2 March 2022, at 10:23, "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I received a message on my mobile yesterday from +447708699972 to tell 
me that 'I have been in close contact with someone who has recently been 
isolating. Please order a test kit - https://pcr-home-test-kit.com '. My 
wife said I should order one straight away! We also had a phone call at 
0810 which I didn't answer, when I rang back there was a long speech in 
Urdu or Hindi follwed by a short sentence in English. Cheers, Dave


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Mar  2 05:02:40 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:02:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Covid alert
In-Reply-To: <270c675a-3a34-381f-2683-3e77f8e993fe@btinternet.com>
References: <270c675a-3a34-381f-2683-3e77f8e993fe@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <621f4ed0.1c69fb81.44438.4cdc@mx.google.com>

I agree with Rob Miles ? a scam to get your bank details.
Perhaps you would have been encouraged to buy a test kit.
The flow test kits are free from your local NHS pharmacy, or they were,
but check with your local surgery.
Don?t get sucked in with a calculated panic approach.
(How did they know your mobile, who have you given it out to?)

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 02 March 2022 10:23
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Ian Hillson; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] Covid alert

I received a message on my mobile yesterday from +447708699972 to tell 
me that 'I have been in close contact with someone who has recently been 
isolating. Please order a test kit - https://pcr-home-test-kit.com '. My 
wife said I should order one straight away! We also had a phone call at 
0810 which I didn't answer, when I rang back there was a long speech in 
Urdu or Hindi follwed by a short sentence in English. Cheers, Dave


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From doug at puddifoot.me  Wed Mar  2 05:05:50 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 11:05:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam
Message-ID: <uvutn0qm7o9aahgsdyb7n86y.1646219150536@email.android.com>

I have had several of these, and wondered how the scam worked. Apparently the link takes you to a fake website where you are asked to pay a small amount on a card for delivery, and they take your details. Shortly after you get a phone call from your "bank". The scammers? have enough information from the card payment to convince some people it is a genuine call. They are told that their bank account is compromised, and they need to transfer all their money into a new "safe" account. You can guess the rest. One report suggests the scam has netted nearly a million pounds this year alone.

Doug

From nick at mcr21.org.uk  Wed Mar  2 06:39:56 2022
From: nick at mcr21.org.uk (Nick Gilbey)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 12:39:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] MCR21 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <E8915217-5262-4551-9B97-4776F7ACD1D3@btinternet.com>
References: <24da6d5790bf363b61ed2e195.27b31bf3ae.20220301103542.a7585cb975.cec533f9@mail134.suw241.rsgsv.net>
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Hi Barry

Great photo of the studio - plus the camera van and the front of CMCR 8

Many thanks

Nick
> On 2 Mar 2022, at 10:49, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bernie & Nick,
> 	 Interesting item. There?s an ancient picture of Dickenson Road Studio A where TOTP used to be done. 
> In February 1972 ( just over 50 years ago!!) during the miners' strike myself and Al Thorpe were sent there as boom operators to do a week?s worth of Playschool as there were a lot of power cuts in London shutting down TVC.
>  John Drake was the Sound Supervisor and I think John Howarth did Grams. We had a lot of fun and John Drake?s knowledge of local hostelries was invaluable! 
> At the end of the week we went with the lady director to a local pub for a few drinks. We were subject to quite a few rude comments from the locals for ?allowing a woman to buy drinks?!
> The miners? strike ended three days later! 
> 
> I took a very similar picture of the Studio which is a close match of the one in the MCR21 Newsletter.??.feel free Nick to use it if you wish.
> 
> Regards 
> 	Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Nick Gilbey
nick at mcr21.org.uk



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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Mar  2 07:01:03 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:01:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam
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My wife got caught up in some sort of scam.  She got a phone call saying that ?60 had been incorrectly paid into her Halifax account ( not her main account ) and could she send it to the intended account instead? Sure enough, there was an unexpected ?60, she checked that it had cleared and then sent it on to the intended recipient and thought nothing more of it.

Soon after, a sum of ?250 was deposited and she got a ?Sorry it?s me again ?.? phone call from ?the bank?.  At that point she became suspicious and said that she would call the Halifax independently to find it what was really going on.

Needless to say, the Halifax knew nothing about it and she asked them to immediately freeze that account, sort out what was happening and then get back to her.

A couple of months after that, I tried using my Halifax credit card and it was declined, despite actually being in credit due to a refund. When I made enquiries, I was told that they cancelled it because my wife no longer fitted their risk appetite.  They never actually bothered to tell me that and it?s taken several months to get the money back which was refunded to that card.  My wife?s credit rating is around 999, which doesn?t sound to me like a risky proposition. She ( and I ) always pay credit cards in full each month and she had a car finance agreement which was paid as agreed, there has never been any issue with either of our finances. The card was in my name, she had a second card.  They still insist she?s an unacceptable risk, but refuse to explain why or what can be done about it.

Its now been passed onto the Financial Ombudsman.  As far as I can see, she acted responsibly by promptly alerting the bank to the suspicious activity and no money has been lost. I?m not sure what more she could have done. I?m furious that they cancelled my credit card, without bothering to tell me. Fortunately it was a credit card which I mainly used for foreign travel and have scarcely used for the last couple of years.

I?ve always made sure that I have more than two valid credit cards and two current accounts with different banks.  That way I can swiftly switch from one to the other if the banks cock something up.

Alan

> On 2 Mar 2022, at 11:06, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I have had several of these, and wondered how the scam worked. Apparently the link takes you to a fake website where you are asked to pay a small amount on a card for delivery, and they take your details. Shortly after you get a phone call from your "bank". The scammers  have enough information from the card payment to convince some people it is a genuine call. They are told that their bank account is compromised, and they need to transfer all their money into a new "safe" account. You can guess the rest. One report suggests the scam has netted nearly a million pounds this year alone.
> 
> Doug
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 07:02:12 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:02:12 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] MCR21 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <17168B33-E963-4F11-8C9B-696E4A2ABD43@mcr21.org.uk>
References: <24da6d5790bf363b61ed2e195.27b31bf3ae.20220301103542.a7585cb975.cec533f9@mail134.suw241.rsgsv.net><3415a3b3-acfb-8ad0-d207-946c459d1601@gmail.com><E8915217-5262-4551-9B97-4776F7ACD1D3@btinternet.com>
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Back in the day, I was working in Manchester  -  I think sent there when BBC strikes prevented the start of an Evesham course -  and went to Dickenson Road to a Juke Box Jury recording.
In those days (sound familiar) there used to be two shows recorded on the same evening.
Complete with a short break when the audience was asked to move around to different seats so it would seem that there was different audience for the two shows!
And no, I am NOT going to attach the off-tube photo of me there taken those few years ago!

Mike

From: Nick Gilbey via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2022 12:39 PM
To: Barry Bonner 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] MCR21 Newsletter

Hi Barry 

Great photo of the studio - plus the camera van and the front of CMCR 8

Many thanks

Nick
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Mar  2 07:58:42 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:58:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] MCR21 Newsletter
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I came across a similar ?sexist? attitude, when filming for NBC at Muirfield, to cover a profile for the golf, when we were invited into the bar for a reward drink. The club was definitely males only and a lot of muttering & harrumphing went on at our lady director.
Ditto, shooting in a care home which was Jewish and had their own synagogue. Again the director was female, and would normally have to enter the place via a separate door.

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Nick Gilbey via Tech1
Sent: 02 March 2022 12:40
To: Barry Bonner
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] MCR21 Newsletter

On 2 Mar 2022, at 10:49, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi Bernie & Nick,
At the end of the week we went with the lady director to a local pub for a few drinks. We were subject to quite a few rude comments?from the locals for ?allowing a woman to buy drinks?!
The miners? strike ended three days later!?





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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 09:39:57 2022
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 15:39:57 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scams
In-Reply-To: <005201d82e4b$7b104b80$7130e280$@soundsuper.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <005501d82e4b$c540c1d0$4fc24570$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Some real scammer scumbags using the war in Ukraine to 'raise funds'. If
donating, then use the big charities like:-
https://www.dec.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-humanitarian-appeal

Rob

-----Original Message-----
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Tech1
Sent: 02 March 2022 10:32
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid alert

Hello Dave

This is a well known scam. Worth signing up to Which? Scam alerts service -
https://campaigns.which.co.uk/scam-alert-service/

More info on the NHS site -
https://cfa.nhs.uk/fraud-prevention/COVID-19-guidance/protecting-yourself-fr
om-fraud

Cheers

Rob

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Sent: 02 March 2022 10:23
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Ian Hillson <ian.hillson at gmail.com>; Dave
<d.cjennings at btinternet.com>
Subject: [Tech1] Covid alert

I received a message on my mobile yesterday from +447708699972 to tell me
that 'I have been in close contact with someone who has recently been
isolating. Please order a test kit - https://pcr-home-test-kit.com '. My
wife said I should order one straight away! We also had a phone call at
0810 which I didn't answer, when I rang back there was a long speech in Urdu
or Hindi follwed by a short sentence in English. Cheers, Dave





From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 09:46:43 2022
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 15:46:43 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] FW: Scooter battery
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAANf2/fTFY79PpzmarS3SxtsBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>

Received today, be warned!

 

Neil

 

 

 

The battery of a scooter explodes while it is being charged, frightening.  

The person still had the presence to remove the plug.  But it was too late because the chemical reaction was already underway.  

This is what firefighters fear when it comes to electric cars.

    

 

 

 

 

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Mar  2 10:41:27 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 16:41:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] FW: Scooter battery
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAANf2/fTFY79PpzmarS3SxtsBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>
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Remind us why a scooter or car battery is more likely to explode than 
your phone one?

Except, of course, that these scooters being illegal anyway are more 
likely to have other corners cut.

On 02/03/2022 15:46, Neil Dormand via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Received today, be warned!
>
> Neil
>
>                 The battery of a scooter explodes while it is being
>                 charged, frightening.
>
>                     The person still had the presence to remove the
>                     plug.? But it was too late because the chemical
>                     reaction was already underway.
>
>                 This is what firefighters fear when it comes to
>                 electric cars.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 11:48:20 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 17:48:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] disorganised
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Thanks to everyone who sent in ideas.? I think I'll do a pub crawl after 
this one to check them out, because unless Nicholsons discover that 
people don't necessarily want a lunch main course at ?17.50 for a 
burger, the Horniman is out from now on.

In the meantime, I'm going to be conservative. So The Coach and Horses 
at Ickenham, Tuesday 29th from 1200. We've been there lots of times, 
they are friendly and well priced, and there's three tube lines, main 
line, and buses nearby. For those who want to drive, there's a pay car 
park (refunded when you buy something), but you need to be there early. 
Otherwise there's another car park nearby.

So - hopefully see you there, and something central next time.? BTW - 
does anyone know The George in Southwark? 
https://www.greeneking-pubs.co.uk/pubs/greater-london/george-southwark/ 
Looks interesting.

B

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Mar  3 11:59:46 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 17:59:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] disorganised
In-Reply-To: <ab8c4819-0b0c-20c7-e8ad-c88dd1f75cb8@gmail.com>
References: <ab8c4819-0b0c-20c7-e8ad-c88dd1f75cb8@gmail.com>
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If that?s the National Trust one, I?ve had a drink there about three years ago.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/george-inn

I didn?t eat there, partly because it was too crowded, partly because the food looked unremarkable ( it?s probably called ?classic pub food? by those selling it ), but mainly because Borough Market is a short stroll away and is full of interesting places to eat. 

Alan Taylor


> On 3 Mar 2022, at 17:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? 
> Thanks to everyone who sent in ideas.  I think I'll do a pub crawl after this one to check them out, because unless Nicholsons discover that people don't necessarily want a lunch main course at ?17.50 for a burger, the Horniman is out from now on.
> 
> In the meantime, I'm going to be conservative. So The Coach and Horses at Ickenham, Tuesday 29th from 1200. We've been there lots of times, they are friendly and well priced, and there's three tube lines, main line, and buses nearby. For those who want to drive, there's a pay car park (refunded when you buy something), but you need to be there early. Otherwise there's another car park nearby.  
> 
> So - hopefully see you there, and something central next time.  BTW - does anyone know The George in Southwark? https://www.greeneking-pubs.co.uk/pubs/greater-london/george-southwark/  Looks interesting.
> 
> B
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar  3 12:03:40 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 18:03:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] disorganised
In-Reply-To: <ab8c4819-0b0c-20c7-e8ad-c88dd1f75cb8@gmail.com>
References: <2c38535b-8159-e9ca-c9fc-0f2c28fab417@gmail.com>
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The George in Southwark is nice, described by the author Peter Brown as Shakespeare?s Local.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 3 Mar 2022, at 17:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to everyone who sent in ideas.  I think I'll do a pub crawl after this one to check them out, because unless Nicholsons discover that people don't necessarily want a lunch main course at ?17.50 for a burger, the Horniman is out from now on.
> 
> In the meantime, I'm going to be conservative. So The Coach and Horses at Ickenham, Tuesday 29th from 1200. We've been there lots of times, they are friendly and well priced, and there's three tube lines, main line, and buses nearby. For those who want to drive, there's a pay car park (refunded when you buy something), but you need to be there early. Otherwise there's another car park nearby.  
> 
> So - hopefully see you there, and something central next time.  BTW - does anyone know The George in Southwark? https://www.greeneking-pubs.co.uk/pubs/greater-london/george-southwark/  Looks interesting.
> 
> B
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Mar  3 12:27:18 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 18:27:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] disorganised
In-Reply-To: <F4698629-1105-4441-862A-CD5BE0A4DB1F@icloud.com>
References: <F4698629-1105-4441-862A-CD5BE0A4DB1F@icloud.com>
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A little bit of pedantry ?

The Bell Inn at Welford upon Avon is reputed to be the only surviving pub which Shakespeare is known for certain to have visited, which he did with playwright Ben Jonson. 

Three other pubs often associated with Shakespeare are only presumed to have been visited by him as they existed when Shakespeare was living or working nearby. It is known that he liked to drink to excess, so those claims are highly likely to be true, but impossible to verify.

Shakespeare couldn?t have drunk at the George which we see now because it burnt down about fifty years after he died, but it was rebuilt to look exactly as it was before. However it?s still a very impressive building - all the more so for being so close to the centre of London.

Alan Taylor

> On 3 Mar 2022, at 18:04, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The George in Southwark is nice, described by the author Peter Brown as Shakespeare?s Local.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 3 Mar 2022, at 17:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks to everyone who sent in ideas.  I think I'll do a pub crawl after this one to check them out, because unless Nicholsons discover that people don't necessarily want a lunch main course at ?17.50 for a burger, the Horniman is out from now on.
>> 
>> In the meantime, I'm going to be conservative. So The Coach and Horses at Ickenham, Tuesday 29th from 1200. We've been there lots of times, they are friendly and well priced, and there's three tube lines, main line, and buses nearby. For those who want to drive, there's a pay car park (refunded when you buy something), but you need to be there early. Otherwise there's another car park nearby.  
>> 
>> So - hopefully see you there, and something central next time.  BTW - does anyone know The George in Southwark? https://www.greeneking-pubs.co.uk/pubs/greater-london/george-southwark/  Looks interesting.
>> 
>> B
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Thu Mar  3 14:24:03 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 20:24:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] disorganised
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George in Southwark was our lunchtime watering hole when working in the Greenwood Theatre. It?s not got a lot of space inside though. OK for summer when you can sit in the courtyard.
Barry.



On 3 Mar 2022, at 17:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> Thanks to everyone who sent in ideas.  I think I'll do a pub crawl after this one to check them out, because unless Nicholsons discover that people don't necessarily want a lunch main course at ?17.50 for a burger, the Horniman is out from now on.
> 
> In the meantime, I'm going to be conservative. So The Coach and Horses at Ickenham, Tuesday 29th from 1200. We've been there lots of times, they are friendly and well priced, and there's three tube lines, main line, and buses nearby. For those who want to drive, there's a pay car park (refunded when you buy something), but you need to be there early. Otherwise there's another car park nearby.  
> 
> So - hopefully see you there, and something central next time.  BTW - does anyone know The George in Southwark? https://www.greeneking-pubs.co.uk/pubs/greater-london/george-southwark/  Looks interesting.
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 15:01:32 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 21:01:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] disorganised
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Ah well, just a thought

B



On 03/03/2022 20:24, Barry Bonner wrote:
> George in Southwark was our lunchtime watering hole when working in 
> the Greenwood Theatre. It?s not got a lot of space inside though. OK 
> for summer when you can sit in the courtyard.
> Barry.
>
>
>
> On 3 Mar 2022, at 17:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who sent in ideas.? I think I'll do a pub crawl 
>> after this one to check them out, because unless Nicholsons discover 
>> that people don't necessarily want a lunch main course at ?17.50 for 
>> a burger, the Horniman is out from now on.
>>
>> In the meantime, I'm going to be conservative. So The Coach and 
>> Horses at Ickenham, Tuesday 29th from 1200. We've been there lots of 
>> times, they are friendly and well priced, and there's three tube 
>> lines, main line, and buses nearby. For those who want to drive, 
>> there's a pay car park (refunded when you buy something), but you 
>> need to be there early. Otherwise there's another car park nearby.
>>
>> So - hopefully see you there, and something central next time.? BTW - 
>> does anyone know The George in Southwark? 
>> https://www.greeneking-pubs.co.uk/pubs/greater-london/george-southwark/ 
>> Looks interesting.
>>
>> B
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Mar  3 18:45:45 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 00:45:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Duh!
Message-ID: <b370bf01-4b43-9e89-948d-f8d99853e8c2@btinternet.com>

Sir Gavin Williamson!!!!!!!!!! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave



From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Mar  4 04:55:15 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 10:55:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV audio outputs.
Message-ID: <db65f946-9520-eacc-911e-609ae2b6630d@davesound.co.uk>

Anyone else get annoyed that even the most expensive TVs no longer have 
an analogue audio out - not even a headphone socket? Given they still 
have loudspeakers, just how much money does this save them in production 
costs?

And while we're at it, why do optical to phono (RCA) converters never 
provide sufficient level to match other sources to an analogue amp?



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 05:18:15 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 11:18:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
Message-ID: <b7c3d2b3-9c7d-0b22-170a-a4e4a2b909a2@gmail.com>

Always faintly surprising when something you never really thought about 
gets other going.

In the quest for a new ongoing central London lunch venue, someone 
replied -

"No way I'm supporting Wetherspoons."

and someone else wrote -

" the web address indicates that it is a Green King pub, and many beer 
lovers regard Green King beer as undrinkable."

I drink very little beer - at the Horniman it's usually a couple of 
coffees - sometimes I stretch to a bottle of Becks if available, or a 
small IPA. The latter could be Greene King, but I have no idea when I 
order.? Writing this, I am reminded that on my short attachment to OBs 
in 1975 it was a big subject of conversation in which I could not join, 
having no experience.

Ah well, each to his own.? As I say, there'll need to be a central 
London pub crawl, maybe in April.....

B
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From philiptyler at me.com  Fri Mar  4 05:47:19 2022
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 11:47:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
In-Reply-To: <b7c3d2b3-9c7d-0b22-170a-a4e4a2b909a2@gmail.com>
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Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 4 Mar 2022, at 11:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Always faintly surprising when something you never really thought about gets other going.
> 
> In the quest for a new ongoing central London lunch venue, someone replied -  
> 
> "No way I'm supporting Wetherspoons."
> 
> and someone else wrote - 
> 
> " the web address indicates that it is a Green King pub, and many beer lovers regard Green King beer as undrinkable."
> 
> I drink very little beer - at the Horniman it's usually a couple of coffees - sometimes I stretch to a bottle of Becks if available, or a small IPA. The latter could be Greene King, but I have no idea when I order.  Writing this, I am reminded that on my short attachment to OBs in 1975 it was a big subject of conversation in which I could not join, having no experience.
> 
> Ah well, each to his own.  As I say, there'll need to be a central London pub crawl, maybe in April.....
> 
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From davelebreton at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  4 06:11:32 2022
From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 12:11:32 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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Or, better still, an engineer!

Dave LeB

From: Philip Tyler via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2022 11:47 AM
To: Bernard Newnham 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer

Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??


Philip and Bee 

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/


  On 4 Mar 2022, at 11:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? Always faintly surprising when something you never really thought about gets other going.

  In the quest for a new ongoing central London lunch venue, someone replied -  

  "No way I'm supporting Wetherspoons."

  and someone else wrote - 

  " the web address indicates that it is a Green King pub, and many beer lovers regard Green King beer as undrinkable."

  I drink very little beer - at the Horniman it's usually a couple of coffees - sometimes I stretch to a bottle of Becks if available, or a small IPA. The latter could be Greene King, but I have no idea when I order.  Writing this, I am reminded that on my short attachment to OBs in 1975 it was a big subject of conversation in which I could not join, having no experience.

  Ah well, each to his own.  As I say, there'll need to be a central London pub crawl, maybe in April.....

  B
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Mar  4 06:55:08 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 12:55:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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To me, a pub is rather more than the type of beer it sells. It should be 
interesting building (which generally means old) which retains much of 
its history. Wetherspoons round here tend to be converted shops which 
appeal to those where the cheapest source of alcohol is the main 
priority. And the older character pubs tend to attract customers I feel 
more at home with. But then most of the pubs I liked also sold decent beer.

Saw a local paper the other day - not from my area, but Merton. An 
article about the pubs which had closed there. And was dismayed to find 
how many favourites from my 'Bill' days are now gone. Large and small. 
Most of which we used as both locations now and then, and for a drink 
after work.

On 04/03/2022 11:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

> Always faintly surprising when something you never really thought 
> about gets other going.
>
> In the quest for a new ongoing central London lunch venue, someone 
> replied -
>
> "No way I'm supporting Wetherspoons."
>
> and someone else wrote -
>
> " the web address indicates that it is a Green King pub, and many beer 
> lovers regard Green King beer as undrinkable."
>
> I drink very little beer - at the Horniman it's usually a couple of 
> coffees - sometimes I stretch to a bottle of Becks if available, or a 
> small IPA. The latter could be Greene King, but I have no idea when I 
> order.? Writing this, I am reminded that on my short attachment to OBs 
> in 1975 it was a big subject of conversation in which I could not 
> join, having no experience.
>
> Ah well, each to his own.? As I say, there'll need to be a central 
> London pub crawl, maybe in April.....
>
> B
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar  4 08:13:51 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 14:13:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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Maybe that?s why my regular cameraman of some years ago, on spying a down-and-out on a park bench or in a doorway, clutching his bottle in a paper bag, would remark:? Oh, look, another ex-sound man!?

Another possible venue:
My group of ne?er-do-well AMPS Fellows used to meet for lunch at Cote Brasserie, 124-126 Wardour St. Although their website says No Private Dining, they had an extension to the dining room which could be occupied by just us. A downstairs area is also available, but we have not been there for some time. Some comments say it?s posh and expensive.
Don?t agree with either.

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Philip Tyler via Tech1
Sent: 04 March 2022 11:47
To: Bernard Newnham
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer

Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??
Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar  4 08:18:34 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 14:18:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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Thanks for the link, Philip.
Great shots ? superb photography.
Worth a view everyone!

Pat

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From: Philip Tyler via Tech1
Sent: 04 March 2022 11:47
To: Bernard Newnham
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer

Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??
Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/





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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Mar  4 10:06:53 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 16:06:53 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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Congratulations indeed ? fully endorse Pat?s appreciative comments. Beautifully presented collection. If you?re into wings I guess East Anglia scores top marks. Do you do wheels as well?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Philip Tyler via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:47 AM
To: Bernard Newnham 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer

Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??


Philip and Bee 

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

 
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From philiptyler at me.com  Fri Mar  4 10:33:58 2022
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 16:33:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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Thank You ? 

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 4 Mar 2022, at 14:18, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks for the link, Philip.
> Great shots ? superb photography.
> Worth a view everyone!
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Philip Tyler via Tech1
> Sent: 04 March 2022 11:47
> To: Bernard Newnham
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
>  
> Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??
> 
> Philip and Bee
>  
> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
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From philiptyler at me.com  Fri Mar  4 10:35:32 2022
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 16:35:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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Very kind.

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 4 Mar 2022, at 16:07, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Congratulations indeed ? fully endorse Pat?s appreciative comments. Beautifully presented collection. If you?re into wings I guess East Anglia scores top marks. Do you do wheels as well?
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Philip Tyler via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:47 AM
> To: Bernard Newnham
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
>  
> Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??
> 
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>  
> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Mar  4 10:36:13 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 16:36:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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I can?t stand sport either, which might be regarded as a drawback for somebody based at KA, but being a resident of that department, I was able to find niches which suited me very nicely at various points during my career. Essentially they were music shows in the 70s and drama in the 80s. 

Despite that, I did still have to do loads of sporting events.  One fun experience at Hickstead was when my wife came along for the day.  After work we were wandering around and got ushered into a large room where we were plied with drinks and canap?s. Then Prince Phillip and Princess Anne turned up. People started giving speeches in praise of the Irish Horse Breeding Association and we were concerned that we would get rumbled once people started chatting to us because we knew nothing about equestrian matters.  We didn?t need to worry though, the people who talked to us knew even less about horses than we did.

Drama was much more productive for nights out because you tended to be in one area for weeks at a time. You got to discover the better places and exchange tip offs with
 others on the crew.  The location caterers fed us wonderfully during the day, so we didn?t need a big meal, but it?s nice to have something. We would often go to a restaurant and ask if it was OK to order just a starter and dessert - with wine of course.  We were always welcomed.

Alan



> On 4 Mar 2022, at 14:46, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ? I have to admit that I didn't enjoy my visit to OBs. I've never enjoyed sport, and what I endlessly got was yet another green field with people doing things, and other people talking about real ale and cars. The best bit was at Hickstead, where some nice Kerrygold lady fed me large gins and tonics, whilst I tried to operate the camera with the other hand .  I was glad to be home in TC1.
> 
> Much later on, as a producer of short films for Breakfast Time and others, I'd arrive in another town in the evening, ready to meet the crew next morning. I'd walk around, looking for some kind of meal, and end up in yet another Pizza Hut, or wherever.  It's all much better restaurant wise now.
> 
> Later still, when I was producing PoV, we did the balti tour of Britain. We'd order balti in the towns we visited. Swansea won.   
> 
> cheers
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
>> On 04/03/2022 11:58, Alan Taylor wrote:
>> One OB tradition which always saddened me was that when we were staying overnight somewhere, a group would decide it?s time to eat.  Stepping outside of the hotel, there would be an exchange of opinions.
>> 
>> ?I don?t like Indian? ? ?Please - not yet another Berni Inn? ? ?I can?t afford fancy French food? ? ?Chinese food doesn?t fill me up?,  and any number of similar issues.  Fortunately in those days vegans were virtually non existent, vegetarians didn?t seem to work on OBs and nobody appeared to have any food allergies, otherwise the situation would have become even more complicated.
>> 
>> The next ritual was the OB shuffle, where the group walks a little way along the road, can?t see anywhere they like and walk back again and onwards in the opposite direction, which doesn?t have anywhere either. After 15 minutes, they go into a pub ( real ale of course ) and remain there until closing time.
>> 
>> My solution was to proclaim that ?there used to be a really nice Italian restaurant just up here on the left?, while heading purposefully along the road. None of the group needed to know that I had never been to that town before and certainly had no knowledge of the local restaurants, but if one person acts decisively and proposes an option which most don?t object to, they tend to follow along.
>> 
>> The choice of Italian restaurant might not be many people's first choice, but few object to it, so it was a good ruse to get people moving.  What surprised me was just how often there really was an Italian restaurant not too far along that road. 
>> 
>> Because I chose the direction which I assumed most restaurants might be, there was often a different sort of restaurant which we encountered first.  It?s much easier to get people to go in if they?re already standing outside, hungry, and fed up with aimlessly wandering about. 
>> 
>> If there was nothing, I would claim that the restaurant doesn?t seem to be here any more and head off in another direction.
>> 
>> Bottom line is that it?s difficult to come up with an option in any aspect of life which appeals to everybody.  My approach is to propose what I think is a good option.  Those who like it will come along, those who don?t like it will stay away and others might not like the idea too much, but will hold their noses and come anyway along because of the other people who will be there.
>> 
>> Talking of such things, would anybody be interested in a disorganised which was well out of London?  I don't know where most people live, so haven?t a clue who lives anywhere me in north Oxfordshire ( well just one as far as I?m aware ). Pubs in the countryside on sunny weekdays are very civilised places to meet up and there is usually loads of parking too.  
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Mar 2022, at 11:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Always faintly surprising when something you never really thought about gets other going.
>>> 
>>> In the quest for a new ongoing central London lunch venue, someone replied -  
>>> 
>>> "No way I'm supporting Wetherspoons."
>>> 
>>> and someone else wrote - 
>>> 
>>> " the web address indicates that it is a Green King pub, and many beer lovers regard Green King beer as undrinkable."
>>> 
>>> I drink very little beer - at the Horniman it's usually a couple of coffees - sometimes I stretch to a bottle of Becks if available, or a small IPA. The latter could be Greene King, but I have no idea when I order.  Writing this, I am reminded that on my short attachment to OBs in 1975 it was a big subject of conversation in which I could not join, having no experience.
>>> 
>>> Ah well, each to his own.  As I say, there'll need to be a central London pub crawl, maybe in April.....
>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Mar  4 11:00:50 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:00:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Flight tracking
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I heard an unusual noise in the sky about 09:30 this morning and saw two American B52 bombers.  I tracked them on ADSB.  They had taken off from Brize Norton and after passing over us,  went over Rutland and Lincs and then over the North Sea, eventually turning off their transponders and vanishing from view as they approached Norway at pretty high altitude. 

Most days it?s possible to spot in-flight refuelling aircraft taking off from Brize Norton, going over to a position west of Ukraine and then fly that characteristic paper clip pattern while other aircraft refuel.  While I was looking to see if there was any further sign of those B52s, a British plane finished doing that and headed home, but was immediately replaced by a German tanker flying exactly the same pattern in exactly the same location.  There seems to be a filling station in the sky, always operating, sometimes using American Stratotankers from East Anglia too.

Alan





From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar  4 11:03:42 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:03:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Flight tracking
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I tracked those B52s as well, they ended up over eastern Romania where they circled for a long time before returning towards the UK.

? 
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> On 4 Mar 2022, at 17:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I heard an unusual noise in the sky about 09:30 this morning and saw two American B52 bombers.  I tracked them on ADSB.  They had taken off from Brize Norton and after passing over us,  went over Rutland and Lincs and then over the North Sea, eventually turning off their transponders and vanishing from view as they approached Norway at pretty high altitude. 
> 
> Most days it?s possible to spot in-flight refuelling aircraft taking off from Brize Norton, going over to a position west of Ukraine and then fly that characteristic paper clip pattern while other aircraft refuel.  While I was looking to see if there was any further sign of those B52s, a British plane finished doing that and headed home, but was immediately replaced by a German tanker flying exactly the same pattern in exactly the same location.  There seems to be a filling station in the sky, always operating, sometimes using American Stratotankers from East Anglia too.
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 12:00:14 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 18:00:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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Nout  wrong with Green King beers! Too strong for southern softened maybe.
Geoff F

On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 16:34, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Thank You ?
>
> Philip and Bee
>
> https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/
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> On 4 Mar 2022, at 14:18, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>
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>
> Thanks for the link, Philip.
>
> Great shots ? superb photography.
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> Worth a view everyone!
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>
> Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy!
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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Fri Mar  4 12:21:14 2022
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2022 18:21:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Flight tracking
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Yes there's constant activity with tankers from Brize ( Voyagers) and Mildenhall (KC135s and DC10s....yes still flying) along with the high tech RC135s of both the UD and UK flying circuits as the either refuel or snoop. Every now and then a UK Eurofighter switches on it's transponder as it refuels, so you know what's looking after the NATI border. Some of the American 'big jets' are seriously old now, and it's not just the B52s that date back to the 60's. The US Sir Force serials, displayed in ADS-B, show the year of registration, so the K35R currently over Poland with a serial of 61-0315, dates from 1961. 
NATO have. combined fleet' of I think 18 AWCS early warning E-3TF's with LX Luxembourg registrations. They're getting serious servicing problems now because they cost so much to keep to date.
Dave T

On 4 Mar 2022, 17:04, at 17:04, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>I tracked those B52s as well, they ended up over eastern Romania where
>they circled for a long time before returning towards the UK.
>
>? 
>Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 4 Mar 2022, at 17:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>wrote:
>> 
>> I heard an unusual noise in the sky about 09:30 this morning and saw
>two American B52 bombers.  I tracked them on ADSB.  They had taken off
>from Brize Norton and after passing over us,  went over Rutland and
>Lincs and then over the North Sea, eventually turning off their
>transponders and vanishing from view as they approached Norway at
>pretty high altitude. 
>> 
>> Most days it?s possible to spot in-flight refuelling aircraft taking
>off from Brize Norton, going over to a position west of Ukraine and
>then fly that characteristic paper clip pattern while other aircraft
>refuel.  While I was looking to see if there was any further sign of
>those B52s, a British plane finished doing that and headed home, but
>was immediately replaced by a German tanker flying exactly the same
>pattern in exactly the same location.  There seems to be a filling
>station in the sky, always operating, sometimes using American
>Stratotankers from East Anglia too.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Mar  4 12:24:17 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 18:24:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Flight tracking
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I?m not sure if it?s the same two, but two are currently over the North Sea, heading towards Peterborough.  Military aircraft often follow an air corridor from Peterborough towards Gloucester, which goes right over my garden.  If heading to Brize Norton, they turn south soon after passing my place.

They might become audible here in twenty minutes or so, but it will be too dark and the cloud is too low to see them.

Alan



> On 4 Mar 2022, at 17:03, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I tracked those B52s as well, they ended up over eastern Romania where they circled for a long time before returning towards the UK.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 4 Mar 2022, at 17:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I heard an unusual noise in the sky about 09:30 this morning and saw two American B52 bombers.  I tracked them on ADSB.  They had taken off from Brize Norton and after passing over us,  went over Rutland and Lincs and then over the North Sea, eventually turning off their transponders and vanishing from view as they approached Norway at pretty high altitude. 
>> 
>> Most days it?s possible to spot in-flight refuelling aircraft taking off from Brize Norton, going over to a position west of Ukraine and then fly that characteristic paper clip pattern while other aircraft refuel.  While I was looking to see if there was any further sign of those B52s, a British plane finished doing that and headed home, but was immediately replaced by a German tanker flying exactly the same pattern in exactly the same location.  There seems to be a filling station in the sky, always operating, sometimes using American Stratotankers from East Anglia too.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar  4 12:38:59 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 18:38:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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My cameraman, mentioned earlier was not a beer chap, but liked his wine ? here?s a story (probably posted before).
? On following McLaren F1 team, after Monte Carlo, we then went on to cover some of the European GP?s ? Italy, France, Portugal, test tracks in Germany and of course Silverstone in the UK, also Canada which was fun. For the Canadian trip, we first of all landed in the USA to film a profile of Michael Andretti, McLaren?s second driver. My cameraman did not drink on the flight as he would drive from Newark N.J. to Allentown in Pennsylvania. Hitting a diner for supper, he ordered ?The finest red wine you have!? Only to be told that the place was ?dry?! We had fetched up in the middle of the Bible Belt!?

Pat


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From: Geoff Fletcher
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To: Philip Tyler
Cc: Bernard Newnham; patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer

Nout ?wrong with Green King beers! Too strong for southern softened maybe.
Geoff F

On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 16:34, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Thank You ??
Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/


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Thanks for the link, Philip.
Great shots ? superb photography.
Worth a view everyone!
?
Pat
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Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar  4 12:55:11 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 18:55:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV audio outputs.
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Dunno about optical-RCA converters, but my ancient Sony Bravia, and newer Samsung for the bedroom both have headphone outputs. In the case of the Samsung, this is fed to a Bose Soundlink positioned close to my head so I don?t have to wind up the audio to annoy my neighbours ? part of the problem of living in a flat!
I like to go to sleep with Radio 4 or 4X. Conventional headphones were uncomfy, so I invested in Sleepphones (from Radio Times). These are worn like an alice band around the head, and are of amazing quality.
The Bluetooth version is expensive, but works well linked to a tablet and it avoids being strangled by a corded version!
https://www.sleepphones.co.uk/collections/sleepphones

Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 04 March 2022 10:55
To: TechOps
Subject: [Tech1] TV audio outputs.

Anyone else get annoyed that even the most expensive TVs no longer have 
an analogue audio out - not even a headphone socket? Given they still 
have loudspeakers, just how much money does this save them in production 
costs?

And while we're at it, why do optical to phono (RCA) converters never 
provide sufficient level to match other sources to an analogue amp?





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From techtone at protonmail.com  Fri Mar  4 14:31:43 2022
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2022 20:31:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pubs, their management and their beer
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Green Queen - strong? Sheer gnat's piss boys (you should know better Geoff!).

For a top tipple, I'm currently drinking Owd Roger, (approx. 8% alcohol) which is now brewed by Marstons, although reputedly it was first brewed at the Royal Standard of England in Forty Green (not far from Beaconsfield). Sadly, of course, I can only access bottles of it (ordered online direct from the brewery). Another reasonably strong beer is Guinness Export (brewed in Nigeria it says on the label) again at around 8% alcohol, and available in Sainsburys and Tesco.

However, a health warning, I can only manage one bottle of either with an evening meal, and spend the rest of the night with legs that don't always respond to the brain's commands - you have been warned!

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> Nout wrong with Green King beers! Too strong for southern softened maybe.
> Geoff F
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> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 16:34, Philip Tyler via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Thank You ?
>>
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>>> On 4 Mar 2022, at 14:18, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>>
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>>
>>> Thanks for the link, Philip.
>>>
>>> Great shots ? superb photography.
>>>
>>> Worth a view everyone!
>>>
>>> Pat
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>>> Cameramen will never understand about pubs and beer, you need a sound guy! ??
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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 00:02:17 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC & Sunflowers
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Although the vast bulk of our collective nostalgia centres on the productions we recall and the welter of technical devices and knowhow that went with them, I suspect many of us also feel a pride in what the BBC stood for and still stands for when the chips are down. I watch daily, with admiration and respect, the coverage from Ukraine fronted by men and women whose reportage is courageous and objective but also conveys their humanity, kindness and sensitivity when talking to the beleaguered folk whose lives are being destroyed before our eyes. The fact that the communication channels facilitating the reportage are so good is of course a tribute to the equally committed and courageous production and technical staff working on the ground with them.

I wonder if it might be possible to find a channel to convey to them all how much we, as former staff, appreciate and applaud their dedication? 

Frequent recent mention of the Sunflower as Ukraine?s national flower prompted me to recall a photo I took last year on holiday in the Scilly Isles. Just below the access to Pellistry Bay on St Mary?s I found a solitary sunflower, obviously self-seeded in the sand. Against all the odds it was surviving the harshness of the location and precious little nutrition. The usual image is of fields of luxuriant, head high exuberant flowers ? this by contrast was the underdog, not registering with me at the time as anything beyond an image but now symbolising to me the defiance of the Ukranian people against overwhelming indiscriminate assault.



Dave Newbitt.
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 03:03:03 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 09:03:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC & Sunflowers
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Wonderful... I couldn't agree more.
Best regards , Alec

On Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 00:02 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Although the vast bulk of our collective nostalgia centres on the
> productions we recall and the welter of technical devices and knowhow that
> went with them, I suspect many of us also feel a pride in what the BBC
> stood for and still stands for when the chips are down. I watch daily, with
> admiration and respect, the coverage from Ukraine fronted by men and women
> whose reportage is courageous and objective but also conveys their
> humanity, kindness and sensitivity when talking to the beleaguered folk
> whose lives are being destroyed before our eyes. The fact that the
> communication channels facilitating the reportage are so good is of course
> a tribute to the equally committed and courageous production and technical
> staff working on the ground with them.
>
> I wonder if it might be possible to find a channel to convey to them all
> how much we, as former staff, appreciate and applaud their dedication?
>
> Frequent recent mention of the Sunflower as Ukraine?s national flower
> prompted me to recall a photo I took last year on holiday in the Scilly
> Isles. Just below the access to Pellistry Bay on St Mary?s I found a
> solitary sunflower, obviously self-seeded in the sand. Against all the odds
> it was surviving the harshness of the location and precious little
> nutrition. The usual image is of fields of luxuriant, head high exuberant
> flowers ? this by contrast was the underdog, not registering with me at the
> time as anything beyond an image but now symbolising to me the defiance of
> the Ukranian people against overwhelming indiscriminate assault.
>
> [image: Defiant sunflower]
>
> Dave Newbitt.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar  5 03:53:28 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 09:53:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC & Sunflowers
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB1K4v9_8TFdM_OpmsM8KwoF2cOWvNVOmxMxjxxO21M5tw@mail.gmail.com>
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I see a Sky reportor was wounded and his camerman (sorry, operator) was hit but savd by his body armout when their car was sht at. The worrying thing was thy had to wait for 3!!! producers to get out first.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 5 Mar 2022, at 09:03, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Wonderful... I couldn't agree more.
> Best regards , Alec
> 
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 00:02 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Although the vast bulk of our collective nostalgia centres on the productions we recall and the welter of technical devices and knowhow that went with them, I suspect many of us also feel a pride in what the BBC stood for and still stands for when the chips are down. I watch daily, with admiration and respect, the coverage from Ukraine fronted by men and women whose reportage is courageous and objective but also conveys their humanity, kindness and sensitivity when talking to the beleaguered folk whose lives are being destroyed before our eyes. The fact that the communication channels facilitating the reportage are so good is of course a tribute to the equally committed and courageous production and technical staff working on the ground with them.
>  
> I wonder if it might be possible to find a channel to convey to them all how much we, as former staff, appreciate and applaud their dedication?
>  
> Frequent recent mention of the Sunflower as Ukraine?s national flower prompted me to recall a photo I took last year on holiday in the Scilly Isles. Just below the access to Pellistry Bay on St Mary?s I found a solitary sunflower, obviously self-seeded in the sand. Against all the odds it was surviving the harshness of the location and precious little nutrition. The usual image is of fields of luxuriant, head high exuberant flowers ? this by contrast was the underdog, not registering with me at the time as anything beyond an image but now symbolising to me the defiance of the Ukranian people against overwhelming indiscriminate assault.
>  
> 
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
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From k.sam at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Mar  5 04:40:23 2022
From: k.sam at tiscali.co.uk (keith salmon)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 10:40:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Thank you Bernard
Message-ID: <F965FA7B-6024-401D-ADB6-611B1481A559@tiscali.co.uk>


As one of the 'Silent Majority? who reads Tech 1 while eating toast in the morning I would like to thank Bernard for all your work. The read is often, informative, rubbish, educational and at times amusing. The breadth of talent, expertise and knowledge is quite outstanding on so many diverse subjects. I find recommendations  for products helpful, thank you Tony for the ?Power cut Torch? brilliant.
So once again thank you Bernard and to all those who are ?still above ground' and remember me from TVC, Pebble Mill and OB?s  Best Wishes.

Keith Salmon

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 04:42:49 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 10:42:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC & Sunflowers
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References: <B3D953AE5DA0431E8D444BE39A21F90A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Do we know about the Onion Network?

There's a browser caller Tor which you can download - 
https://www.torproject.org/download/

It's the gateway to the dark web, via the Hidden Wiki, and it's also the 
way people in nasty places get news from outside.

The BBC has had an onion address for a while now -
https://www.bbcweb3hytmzhn5d532owbu6oqadra5z3ar726vq5kgwwn6aucdccrad.onion

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50150981

Another link gives news in Russian, and another Ukrainian.

You can only access it via Tor.

B
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar  5 06:02:09 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 12:02:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Mobile Phone
Message-ID: <62235140.1c69fb81.521ae.2928@mx.google.com>

MOTD, footie? No! Moan Of The Day.

I use my mobile infrequently, a safety measure when out in the car.
So I subscribe to a Vodafone PAYG card.
I get e-mails from Vodafone threatening to turn off the service if I do not make a call or top-up.
If that happened, could it be construed as theft, as they already have my money? Or would I get a refund of unused credit?
Apparently not, it?s forfeit!

Pat


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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Mar  5 06:17:34 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 12:17:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Mobile Phone
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PAYG seems to be difficult to get these days. But regardless of your 
credit, they all require you to? make a call once in a while.

I recently changed to a low cost monthly deal. Mainly to get internet 
access anywhere.? One app I seem to be using a lot needs it. It is a 
parking app where you pay for the actual time you need on a street etc, 
rather than having to pre-pay at a meter. And needs to be online. And 
with that plan I can use the phone without worrying about running out of 
credit. Does cost me about twice PAYG, though.

On 05/03/2022 12:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> MOTD, footie? No! Moan Of The Day.
>
> I use my mobile infrequently, a safety measure when out in the car.
>
> So I subscribe to a Vodafone PAYG card.
>
> I get e-mails from Vodafone threatening to turn off the service if I 
> do not make a call or top-up.
>
> If that happened, could it be construed as theft, as they already have 
> my money? Or would I get a refund of unused credit?
>
> Apparently not, it?s forfeit!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Mar  5 06:28:18 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 12:28:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Mobile Phone
In-Reply-To: <771e11c4-0ad9-d228-0a62-cb38b1762d8f@davesound.co.uk>
References: <62235140.1c69fb81.521ae.2928@mx.google.com>
	<771e11c4-0ad9-d228-0a62-cb38b1762d8f@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B4D61D1E-894B-4066-9C68-6A150FBAC0AF@me.com>

Giffgaff (stupid name, but it runs on O2 backbone), still advertises PAYG SIMs 

We use it for emergencies, but internet is fearsomely expensive - used only for stoppage notices when we're on our narrowboat.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 5 Mar 2022, at 12:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> PAYG seems to be difficult to get these days. But regardless of your credit, they all require you to  make a call once in a while.
> 
> I recently changed to a low cost monthly deal. Mainly to get internet access anywhere.  One app I seem to be using a lot needs it. It is a parking app where you pay for the actual time you need on a street etc, rather than having to pre-pay at a meter. And needs to be online. And with that plan I can use the phone without worrying about running out of credit. Does cost me about twice PAYG, though.
> 
> On 05/03/2022 12:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> MOTD, footie? No! Moan Of The Day.
>>  
>> I use my mobile infrequently, a safety measure when out in the car.
>> So I subscribe to a Vodafone PAYG card.
>> I get e-mails from Vodafone threatening to turn off the service if I do not make a call or top-up.
>> If that happened, could it be construed as theft, as they already have my money? Or would I get a refund of unused credit?
>> Apparently not, it?s forfeit!
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Mar  5 06:40:49 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 12:40:49 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Mobile Phone
In-Reply-To: <771e11c4-0ad9-d228-0a62-cb38b1762d8f@davesound.co.uk>
References: <62235140.1c69fb81.521ae.2928@mx.google.com>
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Several providers have removed PAYG from what they offer compleatly. I believe all the remaining ones have something in the T&Cs that say if you do not make a call or top up every x the balance asnd number is void, so sadly no recompense. 

SIM only , the cheapest I have seen is ?6.95/month for 10Gb data and unlimited calls / texts  

 

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PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 05 March 2022 12:18
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mobile Phone

 

PAYG seems to be difficult to get these days. But regardless of your credit, they all require you to  make a call once in a while.

I recently changed to a low cost monthly deal. Mainly to get internet access anywhere.  One app I seem to be using a lot needs it. It is a parking app where you pay for the actual time you need on a street etc, rather than having to pre-pay at a meter. And needs to be online. And with that plan I can use the phone without worrying about running out of credit. Does cost me about twice PAYG, though.

On 05/03/2022 12:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

MOTD, footie? No! Moan Of The Day.

 

I use my mobile infrequently, a safety measure when out in the car.

So I subscribe to a Vodafone PAYG card.

I get e-mails from Vodafone threatening to turn off the service if I do not make a call or top-up.

If that happened, could it be construed as theft, as they already have my money? Or would I get a refund of unused credit?

Apparently not, it?s forfeit!

 

Pat

 

 

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From jccglass at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 06:41:45 2022
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on GMail)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 12:41:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Mobile Phone
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Theft of un-used balance seem a common practice with pay as(before) you go

ive had i happen twice because i hadnt made a call for 3 months on o2

enen though i recieved regular incomming calls


GGRRRRRR







From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Sat Mar  5 09:38:35 2022
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 15:38:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PAYG
Message-ID: <F58D3AA2-F136-4716-BE35-474BDB0D26AA@vincent68.plus.com>

1p mobile

So long as you top up ?10 every 120 days works out at ?2.50 a month if you are a light user.

Changeover no problem and old number ported easily.

JV

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 09:39:09 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 15:39:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC & Sunflowers
In-Reply-To: <645E5CDD-E9FD-43DD-9DC7-17364ACF5229@icloud.com>
References: <B3D953AE5DA0431E8D444BE39A21F90A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Message-ID: <ca2e7aff-a65f-80bd-ea96-bf028231e7a8@gmail.com>

Back in the cold war, we all knew that we at TC were a big target. I 
remember a tea bar conversation about what we'd do if we knew that a 
bomb was on it's way. "Head up to the roof of the East Tower with a make 
up lady" was the consensus.

Many years later I was telling this story on a forum -

Someone: "I can understand the logic of the roof bit, but why the make 
up lady?"
Me: "Well, some people would have chosen one of the chaps from wardrobe, 
but not, generally, cameramen"

I'm pleased to say this cause much hilarity.

No East Tower now.....

B



On 05/03/2022 09:53, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> I see a Sky reportor was wounded and his camerman (sorry, operator) was hit but savd by his body armout when their car was sht at. The worrying thing was thy had to wait for 3!!! producers to get out first.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 5 Mar 2022, at 09:03, Alec Bray via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful... I couldn't agree more.
>> Best regards , Alec
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022, 00:02 David Newbitt via Tech1,<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>> Although the vast bulk of our collective nostalgia centres on the productions we recall and the welter of technical devices and knowhow that went with them, I suspect many of us also feel a pride in what the BBC stood for and still stands for when the chips are down. I watch daily, with admiration and respect, the coverage from Ukraine fronted by men and women whose reportage is courageous and objective but also conveys their humanity, kindness and sensitivity when talking to the beleaguered folk whose lives are being destroyed before our eyes. The fact that the communication channels facilitating the reportage are so good is of course a tribute to the equally committed and courageous production and technical staff working on the ground with them.
>>   
>> I wonder if it might be possible to find a channel to convey to them all how much we, as former staff, appreciate and applaud their dedication?
>>   
>> Frequent recent mention of the Sunflower as Ukraine?s national flower prompted me to recall a photo I took last year on holiday in the Scilly Isles. Just below the access to Pellistry Bay on St Mary?s I found a solitary sunflower, obviously self-seeded in the sand. Against all the odds it was surviving the harshness of the location and precious little nutrition. The usual image is of fields of luxuriant, head high exuberant flowers ? this by contrast was the underdog, not registering with me at the time as anything beyond an image but now symbolising to me the defiance of the Ukranian people against overwhelming indiscriminate assault.
>>   
>>
>>   
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> <Defiant%20sunflower[3].jpg><Defiant%20sunflower[3].jpg>--
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 09:49:40 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 15:49:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PAYG
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Message-ID: <906d71cb-711f-0d5a-57ee-bbab27b8a1fb@gmail.com>

The thing is that people who don't have smartphones regards them as 
phones.? They aren't - they're small computers that do an awful lot of 
things.? In my case I make very few phone calls, but I chat a lot with 
my family on WhatsApp, plus much more. You can do this for ?6-9 per 
month and get much much more than a phone.

Internet browser
Maps including car GPS with accurate up to the second traffic
WhatsApp or similar
Rail timetables and ticket bookings
A tube map
Audio recorder
IPlayer and news
Weather including radar rainfall
Endless parking apps
Uber and similar
Birdnet
Calculator
Alarm clock with night setting, useful in hotels
Compass
File manager, and access to the home system

...and that's just up to F, leaving stuff out along the way.

B



On 05/03/2022 15:38, crew13 via Tech1 wrote:
> 1p mobile
>
> So long as you top up ?10 every 120 days works out at ?2.50 a month if you are a light user.
>
> Changeover no problem and old number ported easily.
>
> JV
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar  7 04:21:50 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 10:21:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PhotoShop
Message-ID: <6225dcbe.1c69fb81.1e2e2.31bb@mx.google.com>

This is a plea from an old fart (now, nearly 80) who used to be able to manipulate Paintshop to get rid of an unwanted background. Can?t do it with the 2020 upgrade version ? it all seems different.
If anyone cleverer than me could do it for me, I would be pleased and could send you the image that I want to be clean of its background.

Best
Pat

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 04:31:39 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 10:31:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PhotoShop
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Message-ID: <5c58b4f4-8084-825d-48c0-81d18565d3da@ntlworld.com>

I've done lots of that stuff, but it depends on the picture. Feel free 
to send it.

B



On 07/03/2022 10:21, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
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> This is a plea from an old fart (now, nearly 80) who used to be able 
> to manipulate Paintshop to get rid of an unwanted background. Can?t do 
> it with the 2020 upgrade version ? it all seems different.
>
> If anyone cleverer than me could do it for me, I would be pleased and 
> could send you the image that I want to be clean of its background.
>
> Best
>
> Pat
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Mon Mar  7 04:47:06 2022
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 10:47:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PhotoShop
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Pat

Be careful what you wish for and who you ask??


https://www.liveabout.com/photoshop-requesters-4080524#:~:text=James%20Fridman%20is%20just%20your,Twitter%20page%20and%20personal%20website <https://www.liveabout.com/photoshop-requesters-4080524#:~:text=James Fridman is just your,Twitter page and personal website>  


James Fridman, whilst being a PhotoShop genius shouldn?t be your first port of call?.


Graham Maunder
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> On 7 Mar 2022, at 10:21, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> This is a plea from an old fart (now, nearly 80) who used to be able to manipulate Paintshop to get rid of an unwanted background. Can?t do it with the 2020 upgrade version ? it all seems different.
> If anyone cleverer than me could do it for me, I would be pleased and could send you the image that I want to be clean of its background.
>  
> Best
> Pat
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Mar  7 04:57:12 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 10:57:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How things have changed.
Message-ID: <3be0f2b0-9e05-c9da-15d4-d1fd062f5b1a@davesound.co.uk>

I generally don't have much to do with the trades you need for house 
maintenance. Mostly DIY.

But need a flat roof replaced. Something I might have attempted years 
ago, but advancing years don't make climbing ladders easier.

My preferred way to find a tradesman is to ask a trusted friend for a 
recommendation. So did just this with my architect pal who designed the 
attic conversion in the first place. And his guy came round and gave me 
a price. But because of Covid and Brexit (he's Eastern European) he got 
stuck after going home to visit a poorly relative. A year ago. And I'm 
told the lack of both tradesmen and labour due to Brexit is a real 
problem in the London building industry.

It got urgent - a bad leak in the heavy rain. So had no option but to 
choose a roofer at random. After looking at Checkatrade. etc. Mt first 
two choices were busy until the summer. Others not willing to come and 
do a quote. Understandable since this takes a deal of time - and you get 
several for the best one.

Eventually, I had to agree to a phone quote based on the size of the 
roof. Knowing it was far less than I'd end up paying - as there are 
always extras. But seemed the only way to get a firm to give a firm 
start date.

So here I am locked to the house from 0730, till they leave, killing 
time by posting a long article. So thanks for indulging me.

Interesting the different views on flat roofing methods. Some will only 
do fibreglass. Some only traditional felt. Some rubber sheeting (EPDM). 
And each seems to poo-poo the others.

I've gone for three layer felt. Also probably the cheapest - but given 
my age should see me out.

Price? The phone quote - based on a new felt overlay - ?1200. Once 
they'd see it, the old felt had to come off and new slates fitted at a 
junction between pitched roof and flat. So ?3500.? The first quote from 
the EU guy was ?5000 - for fibreglass. So not unexpected.

Good thing today is you can find online calculators for various types of 
roofing. So you can suss a guideline price yourself.



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 05:28:32 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 11:28:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PhotoShop
In-Reply-To: <6225dcbe.1c69fb81.1e2e2.31bb@mx.google.com>
References: <6225dcbe.1c69fb81.1e2e2.31bb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0afc3899-2819-8aec-8568-160e2ca98b0b@gmail.com>

Hi Pat,

If you JUST want to get rid of a background completely, there are some 
very good services on line that will do if Free .. - here is just one:

https://www.remove.bg/

Free - if you use normal definition for download... .Of course, it 
depends on the main subject etc etc.

As you like Doctor Who, here is an example:


Microsoft Powerpoint also claims to remove a background, but this can be 
very iffy, as it will miss bits of the main subject.


Hope this helps,


best regards,

Alec

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Mar  7 14:51:26 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2022 20:51:26 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shades of Gerard Hoffnung
Message-ID: <E96401B029934BC5A56C005D252C5A67@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Nothing will ever replace Hoffnung?s ?Letters from Tyrolean landlords? but this more recent effort purporting to be a brochure from a Beijing hotel did raise a smile.


Getting There :
Our representative will make you wait at the airport. The bus to the hotel runs along the lake shore. Soon you will feel pleasure in passing water. You will know that you are getting near the hotel, because you will go round the bend. The manager will await you in the entrance hall. He always tries to have intercourse with all new guests.
 
The Hotel: 
This is a family hotel, so children are very welcome. We of course are always pleased to accept adultery. Highly skilled nurses are available in the evenings to put down your children. Guests are invited to conjugate in the bar and expose themselves to others. But please note that ladies are not allowed to have babies in the bar. We organize social games, so no guest is ever left alone to play with them self.
 
The Restaurant: 
Our menus have been carefully chosen to be ordinary and unexciting. At dinner, our quartet will circulate from table to table, and fiddle with you.
 
Your Room: 
Every room has excellent facilities for your private parts. In winter, every room is on heat. Each room has a balcony offering views of outstanding obscenity! .. You will not be disturbed by traffic noise, since the road between the hotel and the lake is used only by pederasts. 
 
Bed: 
Your bed has been made in accordance with local tradition. If you have any other ideas please ring for the chambermaid. Please take advantage of her. She will be very pleased to squash your shirts, blouses and underwear. If asked, she will also squeeze your trousers. 
 
Above All: When you leave us at the end of your holiday, you will have no hope. You will struggle to forget it.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar  8 02:55:59 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 08:55:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shades of Gerard Hoffnung
In-Reply-To: <E96401B029934BC5A56C005D252C5A67@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <E96401B029934BC5A56C005D252C5A67@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <62271a20.1c69fb81.7e848.69d4@mx.google.com>

I would love to have been at the Oxford Union when Hoffnung gave ?the letter requesting sick leave from a builder? for the first time. The beauty of that was the anticipation of each event, as it was possible to get ahead and thoroughly enjoy the moment when it was revealed.
I have the commercial issued CD, which bears constant replaying.

Pat
(P.S. Have you fully recovered from the shingles, Dave?)

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 07 March 2022 20:51
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: [Tech1] Shades of Gerard Hoffnung

Nothing will ever replace Hoffnung?s ?Letters from Tyrolean landlords? but this more recent effort purporting to be a brochure from a Beijing hotel did raise a smile.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 03:55:43 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 09:55:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shades of Gerard Hoffnung
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On 08/03/2022 08:55, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> P.S. Have you fully recovered from the shingles, Dave?

Yes - whilst our sympathies were loud at the beginning of your illness, 
we haven't asked for a status report lately, and we should have.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar  8 05:26:03 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 11:26:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's 80th and Coat of Arms
Message-ID: <62273d4c.1c69fb81.f90b4.16bb@mx.google.com>

Hi all,
Many thanks to those that helped me to delete the background of my family Coat of Arms. John Barlow rendered me exactly what was required, thank you, John.

To celebrate my 80th, I?m chartering the Golden Arrow Pullman dining train from the Bluebell Railway and they will arrange a personalised headboard for the steam locomotive. My senior family member has agreed to have the coat of arms displayed on the front! In order to keep the party to a single coach, numbers are restricted to 42, so it?s a struggle to work out who to include/exclude!
One used to have the arms displayed on one?s horse drawn carriage, but I don?t think that would apply to today?s BMW! (likely to invite vandalism ? jealousy?)
For interest, I attach the image, plus the heraldic description. The artist, sadly now departed, was a talented portraitist and wanted to paint me, but I asked him if he could produce a rendition of the Arms, instead. He carefully checked with the College of Heralds as to accurate description and colours. I think he did a superb job.
I learned a bit of heraldry at college, so got used to the descriptive language.
Pat




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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 05:44:52 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 11:44:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tor browser, a practical use
Message-ID: <964f3b0d-45fb-e2a1-9ad6-2883ed8eb238@gmail.com>

The Tor browser is normally used for big things in the world, or bad 
things, depending on what you need. Here's a new use (maybe).......

I've had cable tv, then broadband as well, since? it was available round 
here. First with Cabletel, then NTL, then Virgin. I can't remember what 
it cost originally, but with tv, phone and broadband it hovered around 
?70 for a long time.? The broadband speed went from 256k to 213Mb/s 
without me paying more.? But - just in the last couple of years or so 
the price has quietly increased. The last bill came in at ?94.99, and 
the time had come to say "enough", especially as my energy contract is 
about to end.

So I looked at the Virgin media website. It turns out that it won't show 
me deals for new people, only upgrades to more expensive ones for 
existing customers. It obviously can tell that I'm looking down their 
connection.

So - again - I get out the trusty TOR browser and try from there, with a 
few hops around the world to anonymise me. Suddenly a whole new section 
of the website appears, for new customers, and I can see what's on 
offer.? I'm out of contract so I'm in a good bargaining position. They 
offer mobile phone from them for ?12 per month, but I don't need that 
bit as I already did that deal a while back and pay ?9.

The phone call lasted a long time, with much silent holding on, but I'm 
now back to pretty much the same deal at ?69, which I'll go with. Good 
landline stuff, 213Mb/s, and lots of tv channels which I may or may not 
watch. Oh, and - I think - the two Tivo boxes, one of which is free from 
a much earlier deal. Doesn't matter if they cut that off anyway.

So - again again - thanks to the TOR network, I save ?26 per month, 
which can go to the gas bill.

B

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Mar  8 10:02:39 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:02:39 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shades of Gerard Hoffnung
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You?ll all wish you hadn?t asked!

I have been feeling a bit guilty, particularly with Sara who had specifically asked me to update weekly when she posted a very kind message of sympathy back on Jan 17th. Her words and those from quite a few of you really did go some way down the ?a problem shared is a problem halved? path. So thank you to Sara, Bernie, Pat, Mike Giles, Doug Puddifoot, Alasdair, David Taylor, Geoff Hawkes and ?Chris on gmail? (apologies for never having been able to figure that one out). Hope I haven?t missed anyone.

Since those early weeks I have hoped many times to write a more upbeat bulletin than this, but here I am 11 weeks after the onset with but small cheer. I will not be alone in having experienced the limitations imposed on the NHS at GP level by the Covid pandemic.This has meant in my case having been seen five times, once by a locum at my local GP practice, once by a practise nurse at the nearest community/MIU hospital, twice by a physiotherapist at the same hospital and once by a medical student. Additionally I have had five telephone consultations, three with GPs (one a locum) from my GP practice and two duty doctors via the 111 phone line. Every single one of these encounters has been with a different person. That makes 10 different people with often differing assessments. Getting to anyone at all is a trial even if you get past the huge telephone call stack to speak to the receptionist. She is single handed at the desk trying to cope with high levels of demand against a backdrop of wholly inadequate medical staff availability. On one occasion the best she could offer was a telephone consultation 8 days hence. On another occasion she tapped into the 111 circus and arranged for a duty doctor to call me without my having to go through the trial of ringing myself. Whatever she?s paid she?s worth more.

SYMPTOMS. (Right arm, shoulder and r.h.s of neck/lower back of head).
Typical rash of large red spots confined to forearm, upper-arm and shoulder ? none on neck or head. Should go in c. 5 weeks ? mine are still very apparent.
Excruciating level of sensitisation of above plus some to neck and head.
Neuropathic pain and damage generated not just in sensation nerves but in motor function nerves as well. Consequent virtual paralysis of arm and shoulder.

TREATMENT.

Initial 7 day course of Aciclovir anti-viral 5 times a day.
Amitriptyline 10mg once daily.
Revised advice, increase gradually to 50mg. once daily.
When I?d got up to 30mg, further revision to revert to 10mg but add in Pregabalin 25mg twice daily and gradually increase this to total 150mg daily. Also this doctor thought I might have an infection so issued a prescription for Flucloxacillin antibiotic. Didn?t look like infection to me but took the 7-day course anyway.

Take 5 on the clock ? discontinue Amitriptyline altogether and further increase Pregabalin gradually to 300mg daily.
This I followed faithfully, albeit at the price of feeling ?drugged-up? when I got to just 200mg. The next consultation, taking Pregabalin side-effects into account suggested weaning off it and re-establishing the amitriptyline rising to 75mg per day.
So I worked up to the specified level.

At this point a physiotherapist (the second of the two) came to the view that the paralysed shoulder was trauma to the rotation cuff muscle and tendon arrangement brought on by a lifetime of treating my 9 1/2 stone frame as if I was Charles Atlas. I?ve always adopted the mantra of ?if it won?t move, push harder? and to hell with what that might be doing to me. Probably began with accolades from school rugby days for felling lads twice my size with flying tackles. Whatever.

Physio saw little hope of ?recovery? as such, just some return of function over a period of many months. So if this aspect of my condition wasn?t neuropathic pain, what was the point in continuing all this drug regime which had anyway never had any impact at all on my pain levels? So decided to reduce back down to the minimal 10mg Amitriptyline as a nod towards treating the sensitisation problem and try to tough it out.

Along the way I had high hopes for treating the sensitisation when I was given a prescription for Capsaicin ointment .075%, widely thought to be effective. This was some weeks ago now but the pharmacy had none, nor did any other pharmacy nor pharmaceutical wholesalers. Supply problem ? none expected until March. As of yesterday still none and still no eta.

COPING.

The last time I was able to lie down in bed was Xmas Day. I sleep as best I can sitting up in bed propped up with pillows but usually manage 6 hours or so with just one bathroom excursion. Hilary is the unpaid chauffeur. Between us we somehow manage to support my disabled widowed sister who is pretty much housebound with virtually no mobility. Mercifully she is only 20 minutes drive and also has helpful neighbours reducing the burden significantly.

Depending on the meal I need some of my food cut up which I find an indignity. I have learned to adapt to a degree as my fingers work properly and can be used effectively providing the arm is straight down ? I can?t raise it unassisted. But if I put a toothbrush in my right hand and then use my good left hand under the right elbow to push it up I can manage to use it. Can?t get it high enough for a comb or to wet shave though.

WHERE TO FROM HERE?

I see yet another different physio on Thursday, one who apparently specialises in rotation cuff diagnosis. I shall have to report that the two exercises I was given are in one case physically impossible through lack of function and in the other generates more pain than I can deal with.

My best hope is this. Three months before the Shingles I had a double neurectomy on my right wrist (severing of anterior and posterior interosseous nerves) to try to deal with the chronic pain caused by severe arthritic abnormality in my hand. A week on Friday I have a routine follow-up appointment with the consultant surgeon who performed the procedure. Short of waiting forever to get a referral to a neurological consultant for this new set of circumstances, I hope to charm him into making an assessment of this new damage. He can be assured that his efforts were splendid but that sadly the improved hand is now operating on the end of a limb which presently is for ornamental purposes only.

WHILE I?M AT IT.

Barely a fortnight before the shingles I saw a consultant surgeon about a hernia repair, diagnosed years ago as being pretty urgent. From fear of mesh surgery I?ve just buried my head in the sand. This needs doing now was the story. Op was booked for Feb 12th with the pre-op assessment on Jan 26th which, despite the shingles being notified to them, they said to attend anyway. I did and all seemed to be fine until a few days before the op when the anaesthetist decided that the risks of general anaesthetic on a patient of 79 were such that he wanted me in prime condition, not while I was under the stress of an existing condition. So I now wait until June 7th. Ah me!

Well you did ask!

Dave Newbitt.












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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 9:55 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shades of Gerard Hoffnung




On 08/03/2022 08:55, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

  P.S. Have you fully recovered from the shingles, Dave?

Yes - whilst our sympathies were loud at the beginning of your illness, we haven't asked for a status report lately, and we should have.

B




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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Mar  8 11:48:03 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 17:48:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shades of Gerard Hoffnung
In-Reply-To: <1FD987D799F24D0498E9EA101291FCD1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <1FD987D799F24D0498E9EA101291FCD1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <BAC6682B-2DD1-4FEB-AA60-D1F6F8724EF6@mac.com>

Oh Dave!  I really can?t think of anything positive to say - talk about a double whammy!

Mike G

> On 8 Mar 2022, at 16:04, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> You?ll all wish you hadn?t asked!
>  
> I have been feeling a bit guilty, particularly with Sara who had specifically asked me to update weekly when she posted a very kind message of sympathy back on Jan 17th. Her words and those from quite a few of you really did go some way down the ?a problem shared is a problem halved? path. So thank you to Sara, Bernie, Pat, Mike Giles, Doug Puddifoot, Alasdair, David Taylor, Geoff Hawkes and ?Chris on gmail? (apologies for never having been able to figure that one out). Hope I haven?t missed anyone.
>  
> Since those early weeks I have hoped many times to write a more upbeat bulletin than this, but here I am 11 weeks after the onset with but small cheer. I will not be alone in having experienced the limitations imposed on the NHS at GP level by the Covid pandemic.This has meant in my case having been seen five times, once by a locum at my local GP practice, once by a practise nurse at the nearest community/MIU hospital, twice by a physiotherapist at the same hospital and once by a medical student. Additionally I have had five telephone consultations, three with GPs (one a locum) from my GP practice and two duty doctors via the 111 phone line. Every single one of these encounters has been with a different person. That makes 10 different people with often differing assessments. Getting to anyone at all is a trial even if you get past the huge telephone call stack to speak to the receptionist. She is single handed at the desk trying to cope with high levels of demand against a backdrop of wholly inadequate medical staff availability. On one occasion the best she could offer was a telephone consultation 8 days hence. On another occasion she tapped into the 111 circus and arranged for a duty doctor to call me without my having to go through the trial of ringing myself. Whatever she?s paid she?s worth more.
>  
> SYMPTOMS. (Right arm, shoulder and r.h.s of neck/lower back of head).
> Typical rash of large red spots confined to forearm, upper-arm and shoulder ? none on neck or head. Should go in c. 5 weeks ? mine are still very apparent.
> Excruciating level of sensitisation of above plus some to neck and head.
> Neuropathic pain and damage generated not just in sensation nerves but in motor function nerves as well. Consequent virtual paralysis of arm and shoulder.
>  
> TREATMENT.
>  
> Initial 7 day course of Aciclovir anti-viral 5 times a day.
> Amitriptyline 10mg once daily.
> Revised advice, increase gradually to 50mg. once daily.
> When I?d got up to 30mg, further revision to revert to 10mg but add in Pregabalin 25mg twice daily and gradually increase this to total 150mg daily. Also this doctor thought I might have an infection so issued a prescription for Flucloxacillin antibiotic. Didn?t look like infection to me but took the 7-day course anyway.
>  
> Take 5 on the clock ? discontinue Amitriptyline altogether and further increase Pregabalin gradually to 300mg daily.
> This I followed faithfully, albeit at the price of feeling ?drugged-up? when I got to just 200mg. The next consultation, taking Pregabalin side-effects into account suggested weaning off it and re-establishing the amitriptyline rising to 75mg per day.
> So I worked up to the specified level.
>  
> At this point a physiotherapist (the second of the two) came to the view that the paralysed shoulder was trauma to the rotation cuff muscle and tendon arrangement brought on by a lifetime of treating my 9 1/2 stone frame as if I was Charles Atlas. I?ve always adopted the mantra of ?if it won?t move, push harder? and to hell with what that might be doing to me. Probably began with accolades from school rugby days for felling lads twice my size with flying tackles. Whatever.
>  
> Physio saw little hope of ?recovery? as such, just some return of function over a period of many months. So if this aspect of my condition wasn?t neuropathic pain, what was the point in continuing all this drug regime which had anyway never had any impact at all on my pain levels? So decided to reduce back down to the minimal 10mg Amitriptyline as a nod towards treating the sensitisation problem and try to tough it out.
>  
> Along the way I had high hopes for treating the sensitisation when I was given a prescription for Capsaicin ointment .075%, widely thought to be effective. This was some weeks ago now but the pharmacy had none, nor did any other pharmacy nor pharmaceutical wholesalers. Supply problem ? none expected until March. As of yesterday still none and still no eta.
>  
> COPING.
>  
> The last time I was able to lie down in bed was Xmas Day. I sleep as best I can sitting up in bed propped up with pillows but usually manage 6 hours or so with just one bathroom excursion. Hilary is the unpaid chauffeur. Between us we somehow manage to support my disabled widowed sister who is pretty much housebound with virtually no mobility. Mercifully she is only 20 minutes drive and also has helpful neighbours reducing the burden significantly.
>  
> Depending on the meal I need some of my food cut up which I find an indignity. I have learned to adapt to a degree as my fingers work properly and can be used effectively providing the arm is straight down ? I can?t raise it unassisted. But if I put a toothbrush in my right hand and then use my good left hand under the right elbow to push it up I can manage to use it. Can?t get it high enough for a comb or to wet shave though.
>  
> WHERE TO FROM HERE?
>  
> I see yet another different physio on Thursday, one who apparently specialises in rotation cuff diagnosis. I shall have to report that the two exercises I was given are in one case physically impossible through lack of function and in the other generates more pain than I can deal with.
>  
> My best hope is this. Three months before the Shingles I had a double neurectomy on my right wrist (severing of anterior and posterior interosseous nerves) to try to deal with the chronic pain caused by severe arthritic abnormality in my hand. A week on Friday I have a routine follow-up appointment with the consultant surgeon who performed the procedure. Short of waiting forever to get a referral to a neurological consultant for this new set of circumstances, I hope to charm him into making an assessment of this new damage. He can be assured that his efforts were splendid but that sadly the improved hand is now operating on the end of a limb which presently is for ornamental purposes only.
>  
> WHILE I?M AT IT.
>  
> Barely a fortnight before the shingles I saw a consultant surgeon about a hernia repair, diagnosed years ago as being pretty urgent. From fear of mesh surgery I?ve just buried my head in the sand. This needs doing now was the story. Op was booked for Feb 12th with the pre-op assessment on Jan 26th which, despite the shingles being notified to them, they said to attend anyway. I did and all seemed to be fine until a few days before the op when the anaesthetist decided that the risks of general anaesthetic on a patient of 79 were such that he wanted me in prime condition, not while I was under the stress of an existing condition. So I now wait until June 7th. Ah me!
>  
> Well you did ask!
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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>  
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> 0
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> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2022 9:55 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shades of Gerard Hoffnung
>  
> 
> 
> On 08/03/2022 08:55, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> P.S. Have you fully recovered from the shingles, Dave?
> 
> Yes - whilst our sympathies were loud at the beginning of your illness, we haven't asked for a status report lately, and we should have.
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Mar  9 09:05:27 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 15:05:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Heartbreaking then heartwarming.
Message-ID: <4692822A97094A7DBE4B9F9AA1D3F1AD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Kindness and compassion is what this world constantly needs. We see it daily in evidence in all those countries bordering the West of Ukraine, receiving, welcoming and caring for refugees in historic numbers. In Poland especially but by no means exclusively the response is nothing short of heroic. Further West other countries are extending refuge and understanding to those Ukrainians travelling onwards from the border states.

Here then by contrast a look at a case of just one suffering creature far away in India ? an old, female street dog seemingly dying at the roadside, but suddenly in receipt of that same kindness and compassion. Not an easy watch but rewarding for anyone viewing who cares about dogs. It?s 4 or 5 years old now but the video speaks just as loudly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VdHuS4GT1g

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar  9 13:23:22 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 19:23:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
Message-ID: <5a32676d-b565-af11-f00e-f8a1eb785508@btinternet.com>

EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by 
?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, 
overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the 
BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really 
dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave



From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Mar  9 14:46:51 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 20:46:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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Our heating and hot water is via an oil burner as there is no gas in our village.

For the last ten years or so, on average 1,000 litres usually lasted between 10 and 11 months. In May 2020, I paid ?218 for 1048 litres.  Currently the price is around ?1,300 per 1,000 litres and is going up alarmingly.

We?ve been keeping a careful eye on the thermostat setting and improving insulation around the home for the last year or so.  Tank was last filled in Feb ?21 at a cost of ?468 for 1050 litres. It?s currently showing 30% full, so it looks like we will be getting at least 14 months instead of 10 to 11 months per tank full.

Alan

> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Mar  9 15:39:06 2022
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 21:39:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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??more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?.
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> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Mar  9 17:04:51 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 23:04:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
In-Reply-To: <9ED5C52D-54A0-45B4-9AA4-BA37F9FD5843@icloud.com>
References: <9ED5C52D-54A0-45B4-9AA4-BA37F9FD5843@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <2C1451AB-3702-44C2-AB4E-994D5AA66C19@me.com>

None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression.

About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day before the wall came down.  She travelled to Hungary with just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase were likely to be searched. 

As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief.

Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.  She fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next day and offered overnight accommodation.

In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try life in England. 

Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by strangers.  Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.  I don?t want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees.

Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian refugees. 

The Eastern European community around here are eager to help Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning up here at the moment. 

Alan



> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?.
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> Graham Maunder
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Mar  9 17:40:56 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 23:40:56 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
In-Reply-To: <2C1451AB-3702-44C2-AB4E-994D5AA66C19@me.com>
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That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the sum 
total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often as not the 
story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a time. I believe 
and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly political. Not a few 
leading figures have expressed a sense of shame at the UK stance re refugees 
but I don't see that stance as being ascribable to any particular party, 
more to a handful of individuals of a particular mind set. This URL links to 
an assessment that in my view is more about humanity than party politics and 
I hope Bernie will indulge its inclusion.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp

Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows it's 
not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content differently.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills

None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been 
invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from 
a war zone, but still from Russian oppression.

About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day 
before the wall came down.  She travelled to Hungary with just one small 
suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there to visit 
her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase were likely to 
be searched.

As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded the 
train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some people?s 
baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train then crossed 
the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief.

Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a little 
money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.  She fancied going to 
Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted to go to Berlin 
instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next day and offered 
overnight accommodation.

In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered accommodation 
in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). She ended up staying 
there and working in Berlin for several months before moving into a flat in 
Berlin and eventually deciding to try life in England.

Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by strangers. 
Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin and they were 
warmly welcomed and treated generously.  I don?t want to dwell too much on 
the political aspects of it, but it does sharply contrast with how the UK is 
currently treating refugees.

Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able to get 
into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied to Ukrainians. 
However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, supportive and caring British 
individuals are being towards Ukrainian refugees.

The Eastern European community around here are eager to help Ukrainians, and 
in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they had benefitted from 
many years before, but virtually none are turning up here at the moment.

Alan



> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?.
> <image0.jpeg>
>
>
> Graham Maunder
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by 
>> ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, 
>> overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the 
>> BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really 
>> dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Mar  9 17:53:16 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 23:53:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
Message-ID: <BFF46085-F85F-4023-B097-92A3A9E6976C@mac.com>

?That piece from the ?I? puts it very succinctly, Dave. 

Mike G


> On 9 Mar 2022, at 23:41, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie will indulge its inclusion.
> 
> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp
> 
> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content differently.
> 
> Dave Newbitt
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
> 
> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression.
> 
> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day before the wall came down.  She travelled to Hungary with just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase were likely to be searched.
> 
> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief.
> 
> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.  She fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next day and offered overnight accommodation.
> 
> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try life in England.
> 
> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.  I don?t want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees.
> 
> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian refugees.
> 
> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning up here at the moment.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?.
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> Graham Maunder
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 10 02:24:32 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 08:24:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] (Former) East Germany
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A happy outcome for your wife, Alan, but how galling must it have been for folks attempting to escape East Germany and been shot by the Vopos
in doing so, when the wall came down later and people could cross freely.
I had several filming jobs there, both before and after the wall, and on the first trip, argued with our liaison guy that his country was effectively a prison.
The brand new, rented in West Berlin, VW minibus attracted a lot of curious attention, and us walking around with our cellphones clipped to our waists, when those poor, sad East Germans had to wait probably two years to get a landline phone and ten for a vehicle.
After the collapse of the wall and the regime, I encountered our contact, Berndt, again. He had landed on his feet, working for NBC Sports.
One of the later trips was a follow up with champion ice skater Katarina Witt, when the residents of the former GDR were allowed to view the files kept on them by the Stasi secret police. It was just like a Bond or Harry Palmer story, and very spooky to see surveillance photos for real.

Pat


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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 09 March 2022 23:05
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills

None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression.

About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day before the wall came down.  



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 04:31:09 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:31:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.

On the other hand, a link called 
"priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming" 
is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know.

I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to 
write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would 
do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"? .

I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or 
totally wrong.? Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own 
opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.

No politics? - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron 
Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.

B



On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the 
> sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often 
> as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a 
> time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly 
> political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame 
> at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being 
> ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals 
> of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my 
> view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie will 
> indulge its inclusion.
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 
>
>
> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows 
> it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content 
> differently.
>
> Dave Newbitt
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
>
> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has 
> been invaded.? However my wife has experienced being a refugee, 
> although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression.
>
> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the 
> day before the wall came down.? She travelled to Hungary with just one 
> small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there 
> to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase 
> were likely to be searched.
>
> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded 
> the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some 
> people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train 
> then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief.
>
> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a 
> little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.? She 
> fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted 
> to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next 
> day and offered overnight accommodation.
>
> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered 
> accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). 
> She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months 
> before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try 
> life in England.
>
> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by 
> strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin 
> and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.? I don?t want to 
> dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does sharply 
> contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees.
>
> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able 
> to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied 
> to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, 
> supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian 
> refugees.
>
> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help 
> Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they 
> had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning 
> up here at the moment.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?.
>> <image0.jpeg>
>>
>>
>> Graham Maunder
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase 
>>> by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, 
>>> overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for 
>>> the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be 
>>> really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
>>>
>>>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar 10 05:22:36 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 11:22:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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> On 10 Mar 2022, at 10:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> No politics  - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron Maiden blasted in your ears. 

I know some people who would go for that!


? 
Graeme Wall

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 06:31:47 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:31:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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Whatever turns you on, Dear.

B



On 10/03/2022 11:22, Graeme Wall wrote:
>
>
>> On 10 Mar 2022, at 10:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>> No politics  - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron Maiden blasted in your ears.
> I know some people who would go for that!
>
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Mar 10 06:40:44 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:40:44 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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References: <9ED5C52D-54A0-45B4-9AA4-BA37F9FD5843@icloud.com><2C1451AB-3702-44C2-AB4E-994D5AA66C19@me.com><4DF5755C9CBF4D8E9C129DA3E1949171@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Mea culpa! On reflection you are obviously right in your judgement. My indiscretion was really just an expression of my own sense of shame but not an excuse. Because the piece in question was from The Independent, by definition not politically aligned, I allowed myself to see it just as comment on particular people rather than a party as such. I was wrong and apologise.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills


Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.

On the other hand, a link called "priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming"  is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know. 

I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"  . 

I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or totally wrong.  Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.

No politics  - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.

B




On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

  That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie will indulge its inclusion. 

  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 

  Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content differently. 

  Dave Newbitt 

  -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM 
  To: tech1 
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills 

  None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression. 

  About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day before the wall came down.  She travelled to Hungary with just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase were likely to be searched. 

  As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief. 

  Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.  She fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next day and offered overnight accommodation. 

  In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try life in England. 

  Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.  I don?t want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees. 

  Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian refugees. 

  The Eastern European community around here are eager to help Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning up here at the moment. 

  Alan 




    On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 

    ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?. 
    <image0.jpeg> 


    Graham Maunder 

    Sent from my iPhone 


      On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 

      ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave 


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 06:53:14 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:53:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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No problem.....

......though I'm not so sure about "The Independent, by definition not 
politically aligned", given the link name. Perhaps a better one would 
have been "another-difficult-choice-for 
the-home-secretary----a-job-where-you-can't-win", then lay out some 
informed non-aligned possibilities based on good reporting and an in 
depth understanding of the problem.

B



On 10/03/2022 12:40, David Newbitt wrote:
> Mea culpa! On reflection you are obviously right in your judgement. My 
> indiscretion was really just an expression of my own sense of shame 
> but not an excuse. Because the piece in question was from The 
> Independent, by definition not politically aligned, I allowed myself 
> to see it just as comment on particular people rather than a party as 
> such. I was wrong and apologise.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Bills
>
> Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.
>
> On the other hand, a link called 
> "priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming" 
> is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know.
>
> I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to 
> write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would 
> do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"? .
>
> I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or 
> totally wrong.? Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own 
> opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.
>
> No politics? - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron 
> Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the 
>> sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often 
>> as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a 
>> time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly 
>> political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame 
>> at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being 
>> ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals 
>> of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my 
>> view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie 
>> will indulge its inclusion.
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 
>>
>>
>> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows 
>> it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content 
>> differently.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
>>
>> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which 
>> has been invaded.? However my wife has experienced being a refugee, 
>> although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression.
>>
>> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany 
>> the day before the wall came down.? She travelled to Hungary with 
>> just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on 
>> holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of 
>> that suitcase were likely to be searched.
>>
>> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded 
>> the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some 
>> people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train 
>> then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief.
>>
>> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a 
>> little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.? She 
>> fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she 
>> opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the 
>> next day and offered overnight accommodation.
>>
>> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered 
>> accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). 
>> She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months 
>> before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try 
>> life in England.
>>
>> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by 
>> strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to 
>> Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.? I don?t 
>> want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does 
>> sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees.
>>
>> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able 
>> to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied 
>> to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, 
>> supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian 
>> refugees.
>>
>> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help 
>> Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they 
>> had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning 
>> up here at the moment.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 
>>> mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?.
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Maunder
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 
>>>> mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will 
>>>> increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by 
>>>> ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank 
>>>> heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early 
>>>> days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Mar 10 07:01:12 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 13:01:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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I think you were slightly naughty, Dave - spare yourself the sackcloth and ashes!

Mike G

> On 10 Mar 2022, at 12:41, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Mea culpa! On reflection you are obviously right in your judgement. My indiscretion was really just an expression of my own sense of shame but not an excuse. Because the piece in question was from The Independent, by definition not politically aligned, I allowed myself to see it just as comment on particular people rather than a party as such. I was wrong and apologise.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
>  
> 
> Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.
> 
> On the other hand, a link called "priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming"  is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know. 
> 
> I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"  . 
> 
> I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or totally wrong.  Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.
> 
> No politics  - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie will indulge its inclusion. 
>> 
>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 
>> 
>> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content differently. 
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM 
>> To: tech1 
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills 
>> 
>> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression. 
>> 
>> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day before the wall came down.  She travelled to Hungary with just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase were likely to be searched. 
>> 
>> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief. 
>> 
>> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.  She fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next day and offered overnight accommodation. 
>> 
>> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try life in England. 
>> 
>> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.  I don?t want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees. 
>> 
>> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian refugees. 
>> 
>> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning up here at the moment. 
>> 
>> Alan 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?. 
>>>> <image0.jpeg> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Maunder 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave 
>>>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Mar 10 07:17:55 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 13:17:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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Sorry Dave - I meant ?only slightly naughty?

Mike G

> On 10 Mar 2022, at 13:01, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I think you were slightly naughty, Dave - spare yourself the sackcloth and ashes!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2022, at 12:41, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Mea culpa! On reflection you are obviously right in your judgement. My indiscretion was really just an expression of my own sense of shame but not an excuse. Because the piece in question was from The Independent, by definition not politically aligned, I allowed myself to see it just as comment on particular people rather than a party as such. I was wrong and apologise.
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
>>  
>> 
>> Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.
>> 
>> On the other hand, a link called "priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming"  is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know. 
>> 
>> I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"  . 
>> 
>> I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or totally wrong.  Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.
>> 
>> No politics  - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie will indulge its inclusion. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 
>>> 
>>> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content differently. 
>>> 
>>> Dave Newbitt 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM 
>>> To: tech1 
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills 
>>> 
>>> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression. 
>>> 
>>> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day before the wall came down.  She travelled to Hungary with just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase were likely to be searched. 
>>> 
>>> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief. 
>>> 
>>> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.  She fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next day and offered overnight accommodation. 
>>> 
>>> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try life in England. 
>>> 
>>> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.  I don?t want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees. 
>>> 
>>> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian refugees. 
>>> 
>>> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning up here at the moment. 
>>> 
>>> Alan 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?. 
>>>> <image0.jpeg> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Maunder 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Mar 10 07:35:33 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 13:35:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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Is our Discuss pigeonhole still live for those of us who feel that a 
glancing brush with politics is inevitable with many discussions about 
our history and industry?

Chris Woolf


On 10/03/2022 12:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Mea culpa! On reflection you are obviously right in your judgement. My 
> indiscretion was really just an expression of my own sense of shame 
> but not an excuse. Because the piece in question was from The 
> Independent, by definition not politically aligned, I allowed myself 
> to see it just as comment on particular people rather than a party as 
> such. I was wrong and apologise.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Bills
>
> Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.
>
> On the other hand, a link called 
> "priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming" 
> is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know.
>
> I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to 
> write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would 
> do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"? .
>
> I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or 
> totally wrong.? Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own 
> opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.
>
> No politics? - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron 
> Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the 
>> sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often 
>> as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a 
>> time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly 
>> political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame 
>> at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being 
>> ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals 
>> of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my 
>> view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie 
>> will indulge its inclusion.
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 
>>
>>
>> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows 
>> it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content 
>> differently.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
>>
>> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which 
>> has been invaded.? However my wife has experienced being a refugee, 
>> although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression.
>>
>> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany 
>> the day before the wall came down.? She travelled to Hungary with 
>> just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on 
>> holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of 
>> that suitcase were likely to be searched.
>>
>> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded 
>> the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some 
>> people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train 
>> then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief.
>>
>> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a 
>> little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.? She 
>> fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she 
>> opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the 
>> next day and offered overnight accommodation.
>>
>> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered 
>> accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). 
>> She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months 
>> before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try 
>> life in England.
>>
>> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by 
>> strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to 
>> Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.? I don?t 
>> want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does 
>> sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees.
>>
>> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able 
>> to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied 
>> to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, 
>> supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian 
>> refugees.
>>
>> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help 
>> Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they 
>> had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning 
>> up here at the moment.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 
>>> mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?.
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Maunder
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 
>>>> mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will 
>>>> increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by 
>>>> ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank 
>>>> heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early 
>>>> days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Mar 10 08:01:35 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:01:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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Is The Independent not politically aligned? Here is the ownership:-

Evgeny Lebedev (41%) (Russian, and ex KGB)

Sultan Muhammad Abuljadayel (30%) (Saudi)*
*

**

Justin Byam Shaw (26%) Minor shareholders (3%)

Newspapers like that don't generally make money, so I'd wonder why 
anyone invests in them. Other than for influence.
**

On 10/03/2022 12:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Mea culpa! On reflection you are obviously right in your judgement. My 
> indiscretion was really just an expression of my own sense of shame 
> but not an excuse. Because the piece in question was from The 
> Independent, by definition not politically aligned, I allowed myself 
> to see it just as comment on particular people rather than a party as 
> such. I was wrong and apologise.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Bills
>
> Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.
>
> On the other hand, a link called 
> "priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming" 
> is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know.
>
> I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to 
> write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would 
> do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"? .
>
> I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or 
> totally wrong.? Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own 
> opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.
>
> No politics? - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron 
> Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the 
>> sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often 
>> as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a 
>> time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly 
>> political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame 
>> at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being 
>> ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals 
>> of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my 
>> view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie 
>> will indulge its inclusion.
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 
>>
>>
>> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows 
>> it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content 
>> differently.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
>>
>> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which 
>> has been invaded.? However my wife has experienced being a refugee, 
>> although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression.
>>
>> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany 
>> the day before the wall came down.? She travelled to Hungary with 
>> just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on 
>> holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of 
>> that suitcase were likely to be searched.
>>
>> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded 
>> the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some 
>> people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train 
>> then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief.
>>
>> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a 
>> little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.? She 
>> fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she 
>> opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the 
>> next day and offered overnight accommodation.
>>
>> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered 
>> accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). 
>> She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months 
>> before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try 
>> life in England.
>>
>> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by 
>> strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to 
>> Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.? I don?t 
>> want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does 
>> sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees.
>>
>> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able 
>> to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied 
>> to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, 
>> supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian 
>> refugees.
>>
>> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help 
>> Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they 
>> had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning 
>> up here at the moment.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 
>>> mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?.
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Maunder
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 
>>>> mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will 
>>>> increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by 
>>>> ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank 
>>>> heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early 
>>>> days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Mar 10 08:05:22 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:05:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How things have changed.
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I generally don't have much to do with the trades you need for house 
maintenance. Mostly DIY.


But need a flat roof replaced. Something I might have attempted years 
ago, but advancing years don't make climbing ladders easier.

My preferred way to find a tradesman is to ask a trusted friend for a 
recommendation. So did just this with my architect pal who designed the 
attic conversion in the first place. And his guy came round and gave me 
a price. But because of Covid and Brexit (he's Eastern European) he got 
stuck after going home to visit a poorly relative. A year ago. And I'm 
told the lack of both tradesmen and labour due to Brexit is a real 
problem in the London building industry.

It got urgent - a bad leak in the heavy rain. So had no option but to 
choose a roofer at random. After looking at Checkatrade. etc. Mt first 
two choices were busy until the summer. Others not willing to come and 
do a quote. Understandable since this takes a deal of time - and you get 
several for the best one.

Eventually, I had to agree to a phone quote based on the size of the 
roof. Knowing it was far less than I'd end up paying - as there are 
always extras. But seemed the only way to get a firm to give a firm 
start date.

So here I am locked to the house from 0730, till they leave, killing 
time by posting a long article. So thanks for indulging me.

Interesting the different views on flat roofing methods. Some will only 
do fibreglass. Some only traditional felt. Some rubber sheeting (EPDM). 
And each seems to poo-poo the others.

I've gone for three layer felt. Also probably the cheapest - but given 
my age should see me out.

Price? The phone quote - based on a new felt overlay - ?1200. Once 
they'd see it, the old felt had to come off and new slates fitted at a 
junction between pitched roof and flat. So ?3500.? The first quote from 
the EU guy was ?5000 - for fibreglass. So not unexpected.

Good thing today is you can find online calculators for various types of 
roofing. So you can suss a guideline price yourself.



From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Mar 10 08:10:04 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:10:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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There is one point which I had intended to mention in my previous comment, but forgot.

There is a perception, particularly in certain newspapers, that refugees want to come to the UK and stay forever, drawing benefits, getting a council house etc.

I know my sample is small and purely anecdotal, but many people coming from eastern Europe don?t feel particularly drawn to the British way of life or our climate.  They are looking for a place of safety for a few years. They wish to work and be independent. Once circumstances change back home, they long to return.  The major exception is those who form relationships over here and put down roots, but those people are contributing to our society anyway.

Janet?s mum fled to west Germany but later returned to east Germany.  Janet?s sister emigrated to Canada, but has now returned to east Germany. We have friends from Hungary, Romania and other Baltic nations who came here and have since returned.  One of our closest friends married an English guy and last year they left the UK to live in Hungary - I have my doubts about the wisdom of that with their current political regime, but they have been able to buy a substantial house with a lot of land and are planning to live a largely self sufficient life. 

We have standing invites to stay with a number of friends, especially a Romanian couple who retain a house there. They live and work here, her with the NHS, him a policeman.  Ordinarily we would be very tempted to go over there in the summer, but their house is less than 75km from the Ukrainian border.  Definitely a situation where we have to wait and see how things develop.

Alan



> On 10 Mar 2022, at 13:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I think you were slightly naughty, Dave - spare yourself the sackcloth and ashes!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2022, at 12:41, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Mea culpa! On reflection you are obviously right in your judgement. My indiscretion was really just an expression of my own sense of shame but not an excuse. Because the piece in question was from The Independent, by definition not politically aligned, I allowed myself to see it just as comment on particular people rather than a party as such. I was wrong and apologise.
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
>>  
>> 
>> Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.
>> 
>> On the other hand, a link called "priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming"  is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know. 
>> 
>> I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"  . 
>> 
>> I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or totally wrong.  Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.
>> 
>> No politics  - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie will indulge its inclusion. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 
>>> 
>>> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content differently. 
>>> 
>>> Dave Newbitt 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM 
>>> To: tech1 
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills 
>>> 
>>> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression. 
>>> 
>>> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day before the wall came down.  She travelled to Hungary with just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase were likely to be searched. 
>>> 
>>> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief. 
>>> 
>>> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.  She fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next day and offered overnight accommodation. 
>>> 
>>> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try life in England. 
>>> 
>>> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.  I don?t want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees. 
>>> 
>>> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian refugees. 
>>> 
>>> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning up here at the moment. 
>>> 
>>> Alan 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?. 
>>>> <image0.jpeg> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Maunder 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave 
>>>>> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Mar 10 09:32:41 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 15:32:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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Alan et al - 

They're very often a useful 'loss' for tax purposes.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 10 Mar 2022, at 14:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Is The Independent not politically aligned? Here is the ownership:-
> 
> Evgeny Lebedev (41%) (Russian, and ex KGB)
> 
> Sultan Muhammad Abuljadayel (30%) (Saudi)
> 
> Justin Byam Shaw (26%) Minor shareholders (3%)
> 
> Newspapers like that don't generally make money, so I'd wonder why anyone invests in them. Other than for influence.
> 
> On 10/03/2022 12:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Mea culpa! On reflection you are obviously right in your judgement. My indiscretion was really just an expression of my own sense of shame but not an excuse. Because the piece in question was from The Independent, by definition not politically aligned, I allowed myself to see it just as comment on particular people rather than a party as such. I was wrong and apologise.
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 10:31 AM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills
>>  
>> 
>> Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.
>> 
>> On the other hand, a link called "priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming"  is rather pushing your luck, as I think you know. 
>> 
>> I've written a few scripts in my time. It's always massively easy to write knocking copy, it's always very difficult to say "...but I would do this, being in full possession of all the facts......"  . 
>> 
>> I don't know what Priti Patel knows - she might be totally right or totally wrong.  Tom Peck of the Independent obviously has his own opinions, but none of it is relevant on this forum.
>> 
>> No politics  - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals of a particular mind set. This URL links to an assessment that in my view is more about humanity than party politics and I hope Bernie will indulge its inclusion. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-priti-patel-is-blind-to-her-own-cruelty-over-ukrainian-refugees-but-we-should-ve-seen-this-coming/ar-AAUQDpv?ocid=msedgntp 
>>> 
>>> Obviously Bernie I respect your judgement in these matters, god knows it's not an easy tightrope to walk and you may assess the content differently. 
>>> 
>>> Dave Newbitt 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:04 PM 
>>> To: tech1 
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills 
>>> 
>>> None of us can imagine how it must be to flee from a country which has been invaded.  However my wife has experienced being a refugee, although not from a war zone, but still from Russian oppression. 
>>> 
>>> About 15 years before I knew her, she fled the former East Germany the day before the wall came down.  She travelled to Hungary with just one small suitcase, because she had to be plausibly going on holiday there to visit her Hungarian grandmother and the contents of that suitcase were likely to be searched. 
>>> 
>>> As the train approached the border, armed soldiers and Stasi boarded the train, inspected papers, quizzed everybody, looked through some people?s baggage and escorted various people off the train. The train then crossed the border and everybody breathed a huge sigh of relief. 
>>> 
>>> Once in Hungary, she was greeted by the Red Cross, given clothes, a little money and food and asked where she was hoping to go.  She fancied going to Canada, but that wasn?t a viable option, so she opted to go to Berlin instead, was given a rail ticket to travel the next day and offered overnight accommodation. 
>>> 
>>> In Berlin, she was again greeted by the Red Cross and offered accommodation in a refugee camp ( previously an American army base ). She ended up staying there and working in Berlin for several months before moving into a flat in Berlin and eventually deciding to try life in England. 
>>> 
>>> Looking back, she was amazed at the incredible kindness shown by strangers. Hundreds of thousands of people like her had fled to Berlin and they were warmly welcomed and treated generously.  I don?t want to dwell too much on the political aspects of it, but it does sharply contrast with how the UK is currently treating refugees. 
>>> 
>>> Put simply, there was absolutely no way that she would have been able to get into the UK under the rules which are currently being applied to Ukrainians. However it?s still reassuring to see how kind, supportive and caring British individuals are being towards Ukrainian refugees. 
>>> 
>>> The Eastern European community around here are eager to help Ukrainians, and in many cases to show the sort of kindness which they had benefitted from many years before, but virtually none are turning up here at the moment. 
>>> 
>>> Alan 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 21:39, Graham Maunder via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> ???more to the point, thank heavens we?re not in the Ukraine?. 
>>>> <image0.jpeg> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Maunder 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9 Mar 2022, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?EDF have just kindly told me that my electricity bill will increase by ?682.18 next year and that my gas bill will increase by ?770.92!, overall, an increase of ?1453.10. Great isn't it? Thank heavens for the BBC pension, poor people, like us in the early days, must be really dreading the increases. Cheers, Dave 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 10 10:09:01 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:09:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How things have changed.
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Dave P, I don?t know where you live, but can thoroughly recommend the following tradespeople. I reside in a small estate of three blocks of flats and several terraced townhouses ? I?m a Director of the Freeholding Company so take a close interest.
Our newish, to us, Managing agents have a load of tried and trusted contractors for various jobs, but were happy to go with our well known chaps from several years past.
Roofing (and also Decorating)
AK Roofing & Guttering Ltd
A & K Painting (last visit, they spent a great deal of time in doing a very thorough prep job).
Both at 49 Manor Way, Onslow Village, GUILDFORD, GU2 7RP, 01483 502136
Fencing
Chris Palmer Fencing Services, 29 Elgin Gardens, GUILDFORD, GU1 1UB, 01483 222275, 07774 010847 (Chris normally works on his own, but has an assistant sometimes. Very pleasant and knows our property very well)
Tree Surgeons
Dryad Tree Specialists, Oak Hill, Wood Street Village, GUILDFORD, GU3 3ET, 01483 455555 (The boss ? Colin Dry is adept at getting permissions from the Council, as all our trees have Preservation Orders on them, every year he carries out a survey for possible maintenance work to be done).

Good Luck
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 10 March 2022 14:05
To: TechOps
Subject: [Tech1] How things have changed.

But need a flat roof replaced. Something I might have attempted years 
ago, but advancing years don't make climbing ladders easier.




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 10 11:58:55 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:58:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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I am standing up for Dave Newbitt. I read his posting, not as a political diatribe, but as an expression of humanitarian sympathy.
Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 10 March 2022 10:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills


Indeed a compelling piece from Alan.

No politics? - on pain of stretching on the rack whilst having Iron Maiden blasted in your ears. Or just being deleted.

B


On 09/03/2022 23:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
That's a really compelling piece Alan. The plight of millions is the sum total of the plight of individuals. The story of one is as often as not the story of all and it is good of you to share hers at such a time. I believe and hope your comparisons will not be seen as overtly political. Not a few leading figures have expressed a sense of shame at the UK stance re refugees but I don't see that stance as being ascribable to any particular party, more to a handful of individuals of a particular mind set. 



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Mar 10 12:52:56 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:52:56 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bills
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Possibly not quite that simple, Dave.

There is no majority shareholder, a point of some significance. 

Evgeny Lebedov is not ex KGB ? his father Alexander was. Evgeny Russian? ? yes, but he came to this country at the age of 8 and holds joint British and Russian citizenship. That?s not to say he is not a controversial figure, since the security clearance necessary before Boris appointed him a member of the House of Lords was apparently given as a result of MI6 and others reversing their earlier view that he was a risk. He recently published a letter to Putin pleading for an end to Russians killing Ukranians. The whole saga would bear much investigation.

Sultan Muhammad Abuljadayel is difficult to categorise. His relationship to the Saudi tyranny is apparently not really known. Suspicion understandable but summary implied condemnation with no more information than his nationality may be a little hasty.

Justin Byam Shaw is spared any invitation for us to infer something from his nationality as you don?t mention it. He is British, has held multiple directorships in companies I have no knowledge of, but including Lebedev Holdings Ltd from which he resigned in 2018. Why? I have no idea but his decision may be of some importance in understanding the issues. Here is a little more of where his energies go:


FIGHTING FOOD WASTE AND HUNGER

1.5 million adults in London struggle to afford to eat every day, 400,000 children are at risk of missing the next meal. Meanwhile, our food industry generates 3 million tonnes of good, edible surplus food each year.

The Felix Project is a London-based food redistribution charity set up in 2016 to tackle both issues.



JUSTIN BYAM SHAW

FOUNDER AND DEPUTY CHAIR


Justin is Chair of ESI Media, owners of the London Evening Standard, Independent and London Live brands.

Justin was awarded The Beacon Awards Judges' Special Award in 2017. Fabian French, CEO of UK Community Foundations that runs the Beacon Awards, said: ?Justin is a deserving winner of the Beacon Judges? Special Award. He has shone a light on the issue of food waste in order to address food poverty and has deployed his wealth and his business talent to approach both issues in a focused and effective way. That he has done all this whilst coping with the tragic loss of his son Felix makes his achievement all the more remarkable.?




Doesn?t look too seditious.

Dave Newbitt.


























in a focused and effective way. That he has done all this whilst coping with the tragic loss of his son Felix makes his 



From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 2:01 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bills

Is The Independent not politically aligned? Here is the ownership:-

Evgeny Lebedev (41%) (Russian, and ex KGB)


Sultan Muhammad Abuljadayel (30%) (Saudi)


Justin Byam Shaw (26%) Minor shareholders (3%)

Newspapers like that don't generally make money, so I'd wonder why anyone invests in them. Other than for influence.

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From tuckergarth at me.com  Thu Mar 10 15:15:11 2022
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:15:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] only slightly naughty
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When my wife worked as a librarian at the MOD she was known to comment that a particular person who was known to them there, before she became a politician, was a byword for incompetence.

Garth

From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar 10 15:48:22 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:48:22 +0000
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Totally irrelevant to the current situation, but I was interested in your wife?s occupation. My grandfather was a librarian at what was then the War Office!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Mar 2022, at 21:15, Garth Tucker via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> When my wife worked as a librarian at the MOD she was known to comment that a particular person who was known to them there, before she became a politician, was a byword for incompetence.
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Mar 10 17:44:37 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 23:44:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] only slightly naughty
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I think I?ve got a pretty good idea of who the byword was!

Mime G

> On 10 Mar 2022, at 21:48, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Totally irrelevant to the current situation, but I was interested in your wife?s occupation. My grandfather was a librarian at what was then the War Office!
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2022, at 21:15, Garth Tucker via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> When my wife worked as a librarian at the MOD she was known to comment that a particular person who was known to them there, before she became a politician, was a byword for incompetence.
>> 
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 11 04:55:58 2022
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 10:55:58 +0000
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 11 05:25:05 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:25:05 +0000
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Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??

Pat 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 05:42:56 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:42:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?

B



On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, 
> but pleased to see mention of /Gainsborough/, which I always thought 
> of being the owners of LG in the past.
>
> Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we 
> knew and ?loved??
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 05:44:32 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:44:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I take that back. Stage 4 is Studio F, from the plan.

B





On 11/03/2022 11:42, Bernard Newnham wrote:
> I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when 
>> BBC, but pleased to see mention of /Gainsborough/, which I always 
>> thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
>>
>> Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we 
>> knew and ?loved??
>>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 05:49:42 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:49:42 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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References: <3DCA446C-F9A6-4C95-8FBA-7F790E972A91@btinternet.com>	<622b3191.1c69fb81.79904.bf21@mx.google.com>
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Hi Burnie,I think you are a floor out!

5 & 6 are D & E

 

Martin Kempton?s site lists what became what .

Take a look at 

https://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/bbc-studios-in-london/lime-grove/

 

For details.

 

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I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?

B




On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.

Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??

 

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Sent: 11 March 2022 10:56o: tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Mar 11 05:49:41 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:49:41 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I think I posted this once before and found some dissent about the 1950 date. It is signed by what looks to be Raymond C Arnold dated 1951. I posted the 1950 date as that was the info from the source I found.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 11:25 AM
To: Albert Barber ; tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.

Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??

 

Pat 

 

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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 05:59:33 2022
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:59:33 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Stage 4 was Studio F, the one that became a scenery store. The tank was used
as a graveyard for old equipment, and provided a final resting place for
Pedalo Booms! I think Studio 1 was H, used for Quatermass then subsequently
as the Colour Studio with the massive RCA 3-tube colour cameras, Studios 2&3
became Studio G. "second Floor" studios (4th floor to us) were D and E. I
think D was the last CPS Emitron studio, the cameras' tendancy to peel if
they saw a light being used on the last Doctor Who shot there as an effect.

 

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Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2022 11:43
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: Bernard Newnham
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

 

I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?

B




On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

Fascinating. I don't know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but
pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the
owners of LG in the past.

Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and
'loved'?

 

Pat 

 

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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 06:02:47 2022
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:02:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Albert,
A very interesting document. One that Martin Kempton might like to use on
his television studios history website www.tvstudioshistory.co.uk
David T

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar 11 06:11:47 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:11:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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That was my guess, and 6 could be G.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
>> Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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>> From: Albert Barber via Tech1
>> Sent: 11 March 2022 10:56o: tech1
>> Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
>>  
>> Dear All this may be of interest. Best Albert
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 06:14:50 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:14:50 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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The https://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/bbc-studios-in-london/lime-grove/ site gives the breakdown of Gaumont/Lime Grove studios as -


      Gaumont-British BBC 
      stage 1 (dubbing theatre) theatre 1 
      stage 2 studio H 
      stage 3 studio G 
      stage 4 studio F 
      stage 5 studio D 
      stage 6 studio E 
      theatre A theatre 3 
      theatre B theatre 2 
      theatre C theatre 4 



From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 11:25 AM
To: Albert Barber ; tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.

Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??

 

Pat 

 

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Sent: 11 March 2022 10:56o: tech1
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 11 06:25:25 2022
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:25:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: LIME GROVE
References: <33B23137-8050-4F6D-B32A-C989B775D06D@btinternet.com>
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Fwd: LIME GROVE
> Date: 11 March 2022 at 12:24:09 GMT
> To: Christina <hamilton21 at hamilton21.karoo.co.uk>
> Cc: A Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
> 
> 
> Bit of text in this article on LGS 
> 
> https://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/bbc-studios-in-london/lime-grove/ <https://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/bbc-studios-in-london/lime-grove/>
> 
> Of all the TV studio centres in London this was one of the most loved.  It was a higgledy-piggledy rabbit warren of corridors, staircases, fire escapes and studios, apparently piled on each other in random order.  When I worked there in the late 70?s and 80?s it seemed a dark and mysterious place with locked rooms, old gallery suites and other areas that had clearly once been used for this or that but were now either empty or about to be converted into some other use.  You could easily get lost but the place seemed magical and full of hidden secrets. 
> It was also the setting for the acclaimed BBC drama The Hour (?11, ?12) which concerned a fictional current affairs programme in 1956.  Sadly, the studios themselves were long gone when they filmed it.
> Of course, its history went right back to the earliest days of film making 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> The photo was taken in 1965 with a young Ron Green operating.  This was apparently an occasion when the colour cameras were wheeled into studio G to cover the UK end of a Sotheby?s auction live to the US by satellite.  Who knew that the BBC was involved in selling its facilities on a commercial basis back then!
>> 
> 
>> From: Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com <mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>>
>> Subject: LIME GROVE
>> Date: 11 March 2022 at 10:55:58 GMT
>> To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> 
> 
>> Cc: A Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com <mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>>
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From relong at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 11 06:33:09 2022
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:33:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Did anybody ever go on the roof studio?
Great idea (in Hollywood)
Gainsborough film were quite racy in the 40s
Margette Lockwoods and period romps..

> On 11 Mar 2022, at 12:11, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> That was my guess, and 6 could be G.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
>>> Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??
>>> 
>>> Pat
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 07:00:48 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:00:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Surely one of them must be F on the first floor next to G. We passed through it on the way to the canteen. It was the largest and was used for a scenery store as I remember it. Didn?t it have a tank underneath?
Geoff

> On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> ?
> Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
> Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??
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From jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 07:07:01 2022
From: jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com (John Cavaciuti)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:07:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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My take is as follows:

1st Floor:
Studio 1 ~ H
Studio 2&3 ~ G
Studio 4 ~ F (Used by BBC as a Scenery store)

2nd Floor:
Studio 5 ~ E
Studio 6 ~ D

Cheers,

John Cav.

> On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
>> Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 07:19:13 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:19:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Rumour was, because of the tank, you'd not be able to use a Mole Crane 
in F? But then big studios weren't really needed for TV of the day.

Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank.

On 11/03/2022 13:00, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> Surely one of them must be F on the first floor next to G. We passed 
> through it on the way to the canteen. It was the largest and was used 
> for a scenery store as I remember it. Didn?t it have a tank underneath?
> Geoff
>
>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
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>>
>> Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when 
>> BBC, but pleased to see mention of /Gainsborough/, which I always 
>> thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
>>
>> Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we 
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>>
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From sue.malden at outlook.com  Fri Mar 11 07:47:21 2022
From: sue.malden at outlook.com (Sue Malden)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:47:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Many thanks Albert
The BEHP has an interview with Nigel Osterer - grandson??
Cheers Sue

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 11 08:55:51 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:55:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Certainly F was scenery store.
I had a long relationship with D, for Dr.Who in the early days.
Also for Tonight, now was that D or E ?
Grandstand was always G, and my abiding memory was of one afternoon when the weather shut down any racing and nothing was coming in from any OB?s, so Pres ran ? Berlin Express?, and we all sat round the studio monitor on the green studio canvas chairs.
That film is still being churned out, even today!

Pat

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From: John Cavaciuti via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2022 13:07
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

My take is as follows:

1st Floor:
Studio 1 ~ H
Studio 2&3 ~ G
Studio 4 ~ F (Used by BBC as a Scenery store)

2nd Floor:
Studio 5 ~ E
Studio 6 ~ D

Cheers,

John Cav.


On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?

B



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Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of?Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 09:08:54 2022
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 09:23:38 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:23:38 -0000
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You?ve transposed D and E, surely?

D had the odd corners and the lift.



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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 09:27:42 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
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Tonight was almost always in E.  The block booking later taken over by Nationwide.

D was also things like Jackanory, plus sitcoms and drama. 



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Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 2:55 PM
To: John Cavaciuti ; bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 
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Certainly F was scenery store.

I had a long relationship with D, for Dr.Who in the early days.

Also for Tonight, now was that D or E ?

Grandstand was always G, and my abiding memory was of one afternoon when the weather shut down any racing and nothing was coming in from any OB?s, so Pres ran ? Berlin Express?, and we all sat round the studio monitor on the green studio canvas chairs.

That film is still being churned out, even today!

 

Pat

 

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From: John Cavaciuti via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2022 13:07
To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
Cc: TechOps Forum; Bernard Newnham
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My take is as follows:

 

1st Floor:

Studio 1 ~ H

Studio 2&3 ~ G

Studio 4 ~ F (Used by BBC as a Scenery store)

 

2nd Floor:

Studio 5 ~ E

Studio 6 ~ D

 

Cheers,

 

John Cav.





  On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

   

  I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?

  B





  On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

    Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.

    Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??

     

    Pat

     

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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 09:32:49 2022
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:32:49 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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1 was H, various uses in BBC times

2/3 was studio G              

4 was F with tank indicated but plainly visible on ground floor plan. Used as scenery storage and part used to house VT and graphics for Breakfast Time and other CA programmes Tank became crew room.

5 was E

6 was D

 

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Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.

Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??

 

Pat 

 

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 10:22:39 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:22:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Hi,

On 11/03/2022 14:55, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Tonight, now was that D or E ?
>
> Grandstand was always G,
>

In my time, "Tonight" was always in studio G:? the "Grandstand" 
scoreboards and so on were just put in front of the "Tonight" sets.

When "Tonight" ended, "24 Hours" started, and that usually came from 
studio E.? Meanwhile, G became the home of TOTP


Bets regards,

Alec

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From jccglass at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 10:41:43 2022
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:41:43 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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my 1963 diary confirms grandstand and tonight in G
but i seem to remember grandstand being in E at one time 1966 world cup?

Chris Glass


From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Mar 11 10:46:42 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:46:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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And in. my day, Grandstand and Nationwide were normally in E, with Grandstand sometimes going to TC2 before it moved permanently to TC5.

E had an EMI desk, with a phantom power supply in just the right place for idle sound assistants to swing a chair round and knock the toggle switch. I don?t remember who for certain, but I think he may be on this forum, succeeded in doing just that before a Nationwide transmission, with somebody like Dicky Chamberlain at the desk ~ I was shadowing him on the Sound Training Course, I think. The PSU took a while to die, so when Dicky (if it was him) checked mics just before the red lights went on they were working, but proceeded to die gracefully immediately after the opening titles ~ both personal mics and the desk standbys were fed from the same unit, so there was nothing to go to, but I think the culprit realised what he?d done and snuck the switch back on! I may have got some of the detail wrong, but it was a hair-raising moment.

Midweek was usually in Studio D ~ I once went into D for Midweek, following on from Hugh B the day before, and found that enormous amounts of top had been wound into everything ~ Hugh had apparently been listening to some of his music balances at very high level during the afternoon, as was his wont, and had not realised that he had blown the tweeters!


Mike G


> On 11 Mar 2022, at 16:22, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 11/03/2022 14:55, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Tonight, now was that D or E ?
>> 
>> Grandstand was always G,
>> 
> 
> In my time, "Tonight" was always in studio G:  the "Grandstand" scoreboards and so on were just put in front of the "Tonight" sets.
> 
> When "Tonight" ended, "24 Hours" started, and that usually came from studio E.  Meanwhile, G became the home of TOTP
> 
> 
> 
> Bets regards,
> 
> Alec
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Mar 11 10:49:27 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:49:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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David?s memory accords with mine ? D was the larger of the two (with direct access to the external fire escape).

Dave Newbitt.

From: David Brunt via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 3:23 PM
To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

You?ve transposed D and E, surely?

D had the odd corners and the lift.



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Mar 11 10:52:14 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:52:14 -0000
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Think I?m losing it! Correction WITHOUT direct access to the fire escape.

Dave Newbitt

From: David Brunt via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 3:23 PM
To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

You?ve transposed D and E, surely?

D had the odd corners and the lift.



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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 11:01:15 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:01:15 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I think it was G ? though not used as a studio much ? that had a library or something in the side wall.
Back in about 1967 or 8, one time I had to go down from BH to test out GPO lines which appeared in that room.
OK first time as shown where to go.
Next occasion I gave up as all the walls were padded and doors hidden.
A bit the same getting into the Radio Control Room at Festival Hall off a long corridor!
Always remembered the way to the club however.

Mike

From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 4:22 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

Hi,


On 11/03/2022 14:55, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

  Tonight, now was that D or E ?

  Grandstand was always G,



In my time, "Tonight" was always in studio G:  the "Grandstand" scoreboards and so on were just put in front of the "Tonight" sets.

When "Tonight" ended, "24 Hours" started, and that usually came from studio E.  Meanwhile, G became the home of TOTP



Bets regards,

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 11:24:01 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:24:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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On 11/03/2022 15:23, David Brunt wrote:
> You?ve transposed D and E, surely?
>


Well.....

There was a fire escape in the north west corner of D. On one warm 
summer evening we made paper darts and threw them over the railway 
towards the market. Mike Harrison won the distance test. Another 
afternoon we were doing Jackanory with Thora Hird. At tea break we were 
out there chatting, and could she chat.

The motor car lift let out onto Lime Grove and came up next to E.

B
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 11 11:31:25 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:31:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Quite right!? D had the fire-escape door in the corner which we had to 
leave open a lot during the first 'Dr. Who' as the cast were all 
barefoot and in fur pelts, under the tungsten 4-lights the heat and the 
smell was awful! Later on, I think we also did 'Jackanory' there in the 
aftenoon and '24 hours' in the evening. We also did a hilarious 'Money 
Program' with a trainee director who managed to knot all of the camera 
cables at one end of the studio and there was nothing available to cover 
the next item at the far end! This was not good on a live program! When 
it was edited for a repeat it was several minutes shorter than the live 
fracas!? E was definitely 'Grandstand', F was the scenery store (and 
ex-water tank for 'Morning Departure', in film days. H was the 
experimental colour studio with huge RCA cameras and then was converted 
into 'The Music Studio' (TMS). G was TOTP for many years. Smith's Bar 
had real ale, unlike TC at the time, so was well worth a run down 
Frithville Gardens at lunch time!? A stroll around the 'attic' was 
really strange as there were lots of film dubbing suites etc. Studio R 
was a sound only recording studio where I spent many a happy afternoon, 
as did Pat Heigham I suppose, with the lovely Jack Brummit. Happy days! 
Cheers, Dave

On 11/03/2022 15:23, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> You?ve transposed D and E, surely?
>
> D had the odd corners and the lift.
>
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2022 3:08 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 11:38:41 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:38:41 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I never found difficulty finding the club, but finding the way back was always an issue!

 

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2022 17:01
To: Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

 

I think it was G ? though not used as a studio much ? that had a library or something in the side wall.

Back in about 1967 or 8, one time I had to go down from BH to test out GPO lines which appeared in that room.

OK first time as shown where to go.

Next occasion I gave up as all the walls were padded and doors hidden.

A bit the same getting into the Radio Control Room at Festival Hall off a long corridor!

Always remembered the way to the club however.

 

Mike

 

From: Alec Bray via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 4:22 PM

To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

 

Hi,

On 11/03/2022 14:55, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

Tonight, now was that D or E ?

Grandstand was always G,

 

In my time, "Tonight" was always in studio G:  the "Grandstand" scoreboards and so on were just put in front of the "Tonight" sets.

When "Tonight" ended, "24 Hours" started, and that usually came from studio E.  Meanwhile, G became the home of TOTP

 

Bets regards,

Alec

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 11:54:06 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:54:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Hi,

I agree with Bernie's labelling of studios D and E.


A bit difficult to gauge it exactly, as there were obviously some 
changes when the BBC took over.? But one thing that they could not 
change was position of the lavatories which were set between D and E.? E 
was the studio on the Lime Grove side of the site, studio D on the 
underground!!? H&C line to Hammersmith side.

It was from the Gents that the guy who read out the racing results on 
"Grandstand" committed suicide some time about October 1965 (when 
"Grandstand" migrated to Studio E when"24 Hours" started): he owned 
restaurants, I believe,, but was a betting man: he read out the racing 
results, realised he had lost the lot, retired to the gents and jumped...


I'm sure this must be in the Tech Ops history - had a quick search but 
can't see it.


The gents between D and E also figured in a sound issue: a gunshot was 
wanted for a drama;? The gunshot generator was not suitable, a blank 
fired in the studio was too load and had too much presence.? The ideal 
was a cubicle in the gents - just the right timbre and intensity.? The 
moment came, the cue made, the gun was fired.... a Sparks was ensconced 
in the adjacent cubicle...


Hope this helps..

Alec


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 11 12:06:09 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:06:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Thora Hird
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I agree Bernard, Thora could 'talk the hind legs off a donkey', as they 
say! When I worked on? the OB PSC unit we did 'Praise Be' with Thora. It 
was shot mainly at her daughter's house in Isfield, East Sussex. Her 
daughter was the lovely Janette Scott one of the English beauties in the 
film world. Janette had built a small bungalow in her garden for Thora 
and Jack. Thora would regale us with non-stop stories from her past, so 
much so that the poor producer lady got quite agitated about getting 
something 'in the can'! It was Thora's birthday when we there and she 
had a lovely birthday cake which we all enjoyed. At Easter time we shot 
some links in the garden when all the daffodils were out and I sent her 
some photos I had taken. She wrote me a lovely letter to say 'thank you' 
and to bemoan the fact that the BBC Religion department was being moved 
to Manchester, as she enjoyed working with us so much. Sadly missed, a 
true 'trouper' Cheers, Dave

On 11/03/2022 17:24, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> On 11/03/2022 15:23, David Brunt wrote:
>> You?ve transposed D and E, surely?
>>
>
>
> Well.....
>
> There was a fire escape in the north west corner of D. On one warm 
> summer evening we made paper darts and threw them over the railway 
> towards the market. Mike Harrison won the distance test. Another 
> afternoon we were doing Jackanory with Thora Hird. At tea break we 
> were out there chatting, and could she chat.
>
> The motor car lift let out onto Lime Grove and came up next to E.
>
> B
>
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Mar 11 12:21:59 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:21:59 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Oh dear ? seems I have lost it. Anyone seen my specs?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 5:24 PM
To: David Brunt ; Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Cc: Bernard Newnham 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE




On 11/03/2022 15:23, David Brunt wrote:

  You?ve transposed D and E, surely?




Well.....

There was a fire escape in the north west corner of D. On one warm summer evening we made paper darts and threw them over the railway towards the market. Mike Harrison won the distance test. Another afternoon we were doing Jackanory with Thora Hird. At tea break we were out there chatting, and could she chat.

The motor car lift let out onto Lime Grove and came up next to E. 

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar 11 13:12:35 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:12:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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The view from the fire escape outside Studio D
? 
Graeme Wall




> On 11 Mar 2022, at 17:24, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/03/2022 15:23, David Brunt wrote:
>> You?ve transposed D and E, surely?
>> 
> 
> 
> Well.....
> 
> There was a fire escape in the north west corner of D. On one warm summer evening we made paper darts and threw them over the railway towards the market. Mike Harrison won the distance test. Another afternoon we were doing Jackanory with Thora Hird. At tea break we were out there chatting, and could she chat.
> 
> The motor car lift let out onto Lime Grove and came up next to E. 
> 
> B
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 11 13:33:04 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:33:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I remember that, as it was possible to sneak back in to sound control after a late return from the canteen without having to get past the production gallery!
But do you remember Denise Daveluy bringing in her tortoise, and constructing a corral of 2x4?s borrowed from props, for the sound gallery of Studio E?
I know it was E, because the sound gallery was accessed from the staircase outside all the production galleries and she posted a sign saying ?tortoise loose? !

Pat

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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2022 19:12
To: Bernard Newnham
Cc: Tech ops; Bernard Newnham
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

The view from the fire escape outside Studio D
??
Graeme Wall




On 11 Mar 2022, at 17:24, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



On 11/03/2022 15:23, David Brunt wrote:

You?ve transposed D and E, surely?


Well.....

There was a fire escape in the north west corner of D. On one warm?summer evening we made paper darts and threw them over the railway?towards the market. Mike Harrison won the?distance test. Another?afternoon we were doing Jackanory with Thora Hird. At tea break we?were out there chatting, and could she chat.

The motor car lift let out onto Lime Grove and came up next to E.?

B

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 11 13:49:31 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:49:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Thanks Graeme, I remember it well! Cheers, Dave

On 11/03/2022 19:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> The view from the fire escape outside Studio D
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 17:24, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/03/2022 15:23, David Brunt wrote:
>>> You?ve transposed D and E, surely?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well.....
>>
>> There was a fire escape in the north west corner of D. On one 
>> warm?summer evening we made paper darts and threw them over the 
>> railway?towards the market. Mike Harrison won the?distance test. 
>> Another?afternoon we were doing Jackanory with Thora Hird. At tea 
>> break we?were out there chatting, and could she chat.
>>
>> The motor car lift let out onto Lime Grove and came up next to E.
>>
>> B
>>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Fri Mar 11 14:28:04 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 20:28:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
Message-ID: <bkfpvwah2iebff0o8j27tvoc.1647030484780@email.android.com>

When the Topical Production Centre started they turned the tank into the duty room for the PSC crews. Very claustrophobic with no windows.

Doug

On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Rumour was, because of the tank, you'd not be able to use a Mole Crane in F? But then big studios weren't really needed for TV of the day.

Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank.

On 11/03/2022 13:00, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:

Surely one of them must be F on the first floor next to G. We passed through it on the way to the canteen. It was the largest and was used for a scenery store as I remember it. Didn?t it have a tank underneath?
Geoff


On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.

Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??

?

Pat 

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From: Albert Barber via Tech1
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Mar 11 15:34:59 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 21:34:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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> On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank

I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.  Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea. 

The problem being that he couldn?t swim.  He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.

I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.  That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.

I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 15:58:24 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 21:58:24 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had closed for film production before it was filmed.

Some known uses of the water tank are:
The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)
The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).
Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).

(Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)




From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PM
To: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

  On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



  Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank


I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.  Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea. 

The problem being that he couldn?t swim.  He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.

I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.  That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.

I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar 11 16:01:12 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:01:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I was told that A Night To Remember was shot in F.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 11 Mar 2022, at 21:58, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had closed for film production before it was filmed.
> 
> Some known uses of the water tank are:
> The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)
> The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).
> Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).
> 
> (Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)
> 
> 
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
>  
>> On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank
> 
> I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.  Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea. 
>  
> The problem being that he couldn?t swim.  He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.
>  
> I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.  That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.
>  
> I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.
>  
> Alan 
> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 16:16:09 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:16:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
In-Reply-To: <6BF240C2-A365-46A4-9FD9-F3E055734C2B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <nqq3kak976m47vuvp4t0dju4.1647036969478@pgtmedia.co.uk>

This is even less likely as the LG had been owned by the BBC for 11 years when ANTR was released. It was very busy with TV programs being during the build but before the opening of TVC. 




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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 11 March 2022 22:01
To: davidvbrunt at gmail.com
Reply to: graeme.wall at icloud.com
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE


I was told that A Night To Remember was shot in F.

?
Graeme Wall


> On 11 Mar 2022, at 21:58, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had closed for film production before it was filmed.
>
> Some known uses of the water tank are:
> The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)
> The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).
> Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).
>
> (Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)
>
>
>?
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
>?
>> On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank
>
> I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.? Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea.
>?
> The problem being that he couldn?t swim.? He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.
>?
> I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.? That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.
>?
> I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.
>?
> Alan
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 16:33:40 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:33:40 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
In-Reply-To: <nqq3kak976m47vuvp4t0dju4.1647036969478@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <nqq3kak976m47vuvp4t0dju4.1647036969478@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D3296F6D85CC45A382B9101512923C7B@0023242e4e14>

A few years less than 11.

The BBC bought the studio in November 1949.  A Night to Remember was filmed 
from October 1957 to March 1958.  The tank scenes were staged in November, 
in Pinewood.

The BBC were busy doing the Alan Badel 'Pride and Prejudice' and Peter 
Sallis as 'Samuel Pepys' at that point.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Paul Thackray
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 10:16 PM
To: Graeme Wall ; David Brunt
Cc: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

This is even less likely as the LG had been owned by the BBC for 11 years 
when ANTR was released. It was very busy with TV programs being during the 
build but before the opening of TVC.




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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 11 March 2022 22:01
To: davidvbrunt at gmail.com
Reply to: graeme.wall at icloud.com
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE


I was told that A Night To Remember was shot in F.

?
Graeme Wall


> On 11 Mar 2022, at 21:58, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had 
> closed for film production before it was filmed.
>
> Some known uses of the water tank are:
> The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)
> The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the 
> steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).
> Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).
>
> (Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)
>
>
>
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
>
>> On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>
>> Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank
>
> I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve 
> it.  Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling 
> me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The 
> Cruel Sea.
>
> The problem being that he couldn?t swim.  He didn?t realise that the water 
> was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board 
> that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple 
> times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.
>
> I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it 
> actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge 
> outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on 
> location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, 
> however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave 
> machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose 
> squirting into it for the storm sequence.  That?s not something which was 
> likely to be done in an indoor tank.
>
> I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows 
> him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on 
> Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.
>
> Alan
>
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 16:41:53 2022
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:41:53 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
In-Reply-To: <6BF240C2-A365-46A4-9FD9-F3E055734C2B@icloud.com>
References: <bkfpvwah2iebff0o8j27tvoc.1647030484780@email.android.com>	<586175E6-63B8-4AF2-89B2-F1F619B2AEFE@me.com>	<BE496854BC0E4BB9B2CD1A4289B74E96@0023242e4e14>
	<6BF240C2-A365-46A4-9FD9-F3E055734C2B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAACAS1R146H9HkFytdbZDViwBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>

Not according to A history of Lime Grove Studios.

However "We Dive at Dawn" is listed. Definitely shot in Lime grove in 1943 and used the tank. Currently available on Britbox. Gainsborough logo and all.

Neil  

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2022 22:01
To: David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com>
Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

I was told that A Night To Remember was shot in F.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 11 Mar 2022, at 21:58, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had closed for film production before it was filmed.
> 
> Some known uses of the water tank are:
> The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)
> The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).
> Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).
> 
> (Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)
> 
> 
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
>  
>> On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank
> 
> I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.  Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea. 
>  
> The problem being that he couldn?t swim.  He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.
>  
> I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.  That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.
>  
> I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.
>  
> Alan 
> 
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 16:46:53 2022
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:46:53 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
In-Reply-To: <nqq3kak976m47vuvp4t0dju4.1647036969478@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <6BF240C2-A365-46A4-9FD9-F3E055734C2B@icloud.com>
	<nqq3kak976m47vuvp4t0dju4.1647036969478@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Based on a book published in 1955, shot in 1957 in Pinewood.

Neil 

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Sent: 11 March 2022 22:16
To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>; David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com>
Cc: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

This is even less likely as the LG had been owned by the BBC for 11 years when ANTR was released. It was very busy with TV programs being during the build but before the opening of TVC. 




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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 11 March 2022 22:01
To: davidvbrunt at gmail.com
Reply to: graeme.wall at icloud.com
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE


I was told that A Night To Remember was shot in F.

?
Graeme Wall


> On 11 Mar 2022, at 21:58, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had closed for film production before it was filmed.
>
> Some known uses of the water tank are:
> The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)
> The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).
> Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).
>
> (Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)
>
>
> 
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
> 
>> On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank
>
> I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.  Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea.
> 
> The problem being that he couldn?t swim.  He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.
> 
> I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.  That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.
> 
> I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.
> 
> Alan
>
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Fri Mar 11 16:59:53 2022
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:59:53 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
In-Reply-To: <BE496854BC0E4BB9B2CD1A4289B74E96@0023242e4e14>
References: <bkfpvwah2iebff0o8j27tvoc.1647030484780@email.android.com>	<586175E6-63B8-4AF2-89B2-F1F619B2AEFE@me.com>
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David you are right it was shot in 1953 using the open air tank at Denham.

 

Neil

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of David Brunt via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2022 21:58
To: Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com>; tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

 

I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had closed for film production before it was filmed.

Some known uses of the water tank are:
The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)
The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).
Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).

(Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)



 

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PM

To: tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

 

On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:





Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank

 

I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.  Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea. 

 

The problem being that he couldn?t swim.  He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.

 

I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.  That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.

 

I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.

 

Alan 

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 17:16:58 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 23:16:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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References: <3DCA446C-F9A6-4C95-8FBA-7F790E972A91@btinternet.com>
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My shot from the fire escape outside Studio D on 20 August 1964.

 

Geoff F

> On 11 Mar 2022, at 17:24, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/03/2022 15:23, David Brunt wrote:
>> You?ve transposed D and E, surely?
>> 
> 
> 
> Well.....
> 
> There was a fire escape in the north west corner of D. On one warm summer evening we made paper darts and threw them over the railway towards the market. Mike Harrison won the distance test. Another afternoon we were doing Jackanory with Thora Hird. At tea break we were out there chatting, and could she chat.
> 
> The motor car lift let out onto Lime Grove and came up next to E. 
> 
> B
> 
> <xhx0KJOlKjXgQ0RL.png>
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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 17:22:30 2022
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 23:22:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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References: <bkfpvwah2iebff0o8j27tvoc.1647030484780@email.android.com>
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The story we were told was that it was Cockleshell Heroes shot in the tank
in F, not The Cruel Sea

Dudley

On Fri, 11 Mar 2022, 21:59 David Brunt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had
> closed for film production before it was filmed.
>
> Some known uses of the water tank are:
> The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)
> The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the
> steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).
> Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).
>
> (Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)
>
>
>
> *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PM
> *To:* tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
>
>
> On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank
>
>
> I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve
> it.  Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me
> a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The
> Cruel Sea.
>
> The problem being that he couldn?t swim.  He didn?t realise that the water
> was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board
> that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times.
> They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.
>
> I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it
> actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge
> outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on
> location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however
> Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine,
> together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting
> into it for the storm sequence.  That?s not something which was likely to
> be done in an indoor tank.
>
> I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows
> him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on
> Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.
>
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 17:30:45 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 23:30:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Grandstand when I did it in the sixties and onward came from Studio E. I remember the setup with the starting prices and racing results captions being hand lettered by the Wurmser brigade under John Tidey?s supervision; the so called Fish & Chip boards with other results and the classified boards for the football results read by ?Len on the lip.? There was the teleprinter for incoming results for which we had to crane the camera up to peer into it and there was the tragic case of the racing commentator who ran up a huge debt from the gambling that went on unofficially and jumped from a toilet window, landing on a first floor flat roof and dying from his injuries. I remember the man but not his name,
Geoff

> On 11 Mar 2022, at 14:56, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Certainly F was scenery store.
> I had a long relationship with D, for Dr.Who in the early days.
> Also for Tonight, now was that D or E ?
> Grandstand was always G, and my abiding memory was of one afternoon when the weather shut down any racing and nothing was coming in from any OB?s, so Pres ran ? Berlin Express?, and we all sat round the studio monitor on the green studio canvas chairs.
> That film is still being churned out, even today!
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> My take is as follows:
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> 1st Floor:
> Studio 1 ~ H
> Studio 2&3 ~ G
> Studio 4 ~ F (Used by BBC as a Scenery store)
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> 2nd Floor:
> Studio 5 ~ E
> Studio 6 ~ D
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> Cheers,
>  
> John Cav.
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> 
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> I wonder if Stage 4 is Studio D?
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> B
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> 
> On 11/03/2022 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Fascinating. I don?t know if I should be proud to work there when BBC, but pleased to see mention of Gainsborough, which I always thought of being the owners of LG in the past.
> Has anyone worked out which of the stages became the LG studios we knew and ?loved??
>  
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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 12 00:26:44 2022
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 08:26:44 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Ken is still around- 95 years old. We are planning to interview him in April for the British Entertainment History ProjectCheers SueSent from Samsung Mobile on O2
-------- Original message --------From: Neil Dormand via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 12/03/2022  01:00  (GMT+02:00) To: 'tech1' <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE David you are right it was shot in 1953 using the open air tank at Denham.?Neil?From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of David Brunt via Tech1Sent: 11 March 2022 21:58To: Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com>; tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE?I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had closed for film production before it was filmed.Some known uses of the water tank are:The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).(Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)?From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PMTo: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE?On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank?I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.? Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea. ?The problem being that he couldn?t swim.? He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.?I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.? That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.?I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.?Alan -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 12 05:31:37 2022
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:31:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Riverside Studios: What's On
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From phider at gmx.com  Sat Mar 12 06:21:31 2022
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 12:21:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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The rumour I heard was that part of 'Sabu the Elephant Boy' , directed by Zoltan Korda, was shot in Lime Grove and the elephant fell in the tank.?The scenery lift was used to bring HMQ up? to E for Blue Peter. It was draped in velvet but someone realised there was nothing for her to sit on during the slowest lift elevation in Europe. A throne duly arrived from the prop store.We also had an elephant on a show in Studio E who came up in the lift but not at the same time as HMQ.As an aside does anyone know if David Korda who was a 1st AD / Production Manager when I was a freelance Associate Producer was a descendant of either Zoltan or Alexander Korda?I worked a number of times with the DoP Ken Westbury and I'll endeavour to find his number and give him a call regarding the 'Cruel Sea'.Best to allPeter HiderSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: "sue.malden via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 12/03/2022  06:27  (GMT+00:00) To: Neil Dormand <neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk>, 'tech1' <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE Ken is still around- 95 years old. We are planning to interview him in April for the British Entertainment History ProjectCheers SueSent from Samsung Mobile on O2-------- Original message --------From: Neil Dormand via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 12/03/2022  01:00  (GMT+02:00) To: 'tech1' <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE David you are right it was shot in 1953 using the open air tank at Denham.?Neil?From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of David Brunt via Tech1Sent: 11 March 2022 21:58To: Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com>; tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE?I?m fairly certain The Cruel Sea was nowhere near Lime Grove. It had closed for film production before it was filmed.Some known uses of the water tank are:The Wicked Lady (moorland scenes)The Arthur Askey Ghost Train (when they crash the bus and run down the steep incline to stop the train was going down into the tank).Hitchcock?s The 39 steps (the bridge over the stream where Hannay hides).(Hopefully this should restore what little reputation I have a bit today)?From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:34 PMTo: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE?On 11 March 2022, at 13:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:Other rumour was The Cruel Sea was partially shot in that tank?I had been told that by multiple people and never had reason to disbelieve it.? Then I found myself doing a film with Donald Sinden who was telling me a tale about how he nearly drowned at Denham Studios while shooting The Cruel Sea. ?The problem being that he couldn?t swim.? He didn?t realise that the water was ten feet deep and the production team didn?t properly take on board that he really was a non-swimmer, despite him mentioning it multiple times. They just assumed he was a poor swimmer.?I thought he was mistaken about the studio and queried which studio it actually was, but he was quite insistent that it definitely was the huge outdoor tank at Denham, the rest being shot at Ealing Studios or on location. IMDb confirms Ealing Studios, but doesn?t mention Denham, however Sinden was quite clear about it and added that they used a wave machine, together with an aeroplane engine & propeller with a fire hose squirting into it for the storm sequence.? That?s not something which was likely to be done in an indoor tank.?I don?t know if Ken Westbury is still around and if anybody here knows him, but according to IMDb, as a young chap he was the clapper loader on Cruel Sea and would surely remember where it was shot.?Alan -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 06:33:47 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 12:33:47 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Alexander Korda?s brother Zoltan had a son named David. Could well be him.

There was also a third Korda brother named Vincent. 



From: phider via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 12:21 PM
To: sue.malden ; Neil Dormand ; 'tech1' 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

The rumour I heard was that part of 'Sabu the Elephant Boy' , directed by Zoltan Korda, was shot in Lime Grove and the elephant fell in the tank.

The scenery lift was used to bring HMQ up  to E for Blue Peter. It was draped in velvet but someone realised there was nothing for her to sit on during the slowest lift elevation in Europe. A throne duly arrived from the prop store.
We also had an elephant on a show in Studio E who came up in the lift but not at the same time as HMQ.

As an aside does anyone know if David Korda who was a 1st AD / Production Manager when I was a freelance Associate Producer was a descendant of either Zoltan or Alexander Korda?

I worked a number of times with the DoP Ken Westbury and I'll endeavour to find his number and give him a call regarding the 'Cruel Sea'.

Best to all
Peter Hider


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 12 06:43:03 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 12:43:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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Hi Peter,
According to IMDb, David is the son of Zoltan.
?Son of Zoltan? sounds like a horror film title in itself!

I like the story of a prop throne to ?prop? up the Queen!

Was the elephant the one that peed all over the Blue Peter floor?
Reminds me: A pony on the TVT stage, lifted its tail and deposited.
Floor manager (think it may have been Paddy Russell) calls out for studio attendant, whereupon a voice from behind the scenery yells back: ?If it?s steaming, it?s Special Effects!?

Pat

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From: phider via Tech1
Sent: 12 March 2022 12:21
To: sue.malden; Neil Dormand; 'tech1'
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

The rumour I heard was that part of 'Sabu the Elephant Boy' , directed by Zoltan Korda, was shot in Lime Grove and the elephant fell in the tank.
?
The scenery lift was used to bring HMQ up? to E for Blue Peter. It was draped in velvet but someone realised there was nothing for her to sit on during the slowest lift elevation in Europe. A throne duly arrived from the prop store.
We also had an elephant on a show in Studio E who came up in the lift but not at the same time as HMQ.

As an aside does anyone know if David Korda who was a 1st AD / Production Manager when I was a freelance Associate Producer was a descendant of either Zoltan or Alexander Korda?

I worked a number of times with the DoP Ken Westbury and I'll endeavour to find his number and give him a call regarding the 'Cruel Sea'.

Best to all
Peter Hider


Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: "sue.malden via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Date: 12/03/2022 06:27 (GMT+00:00) 
To: Neil Dormand <neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk>, 'tech1' <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE 

Ken is still around- 95 years old. We are planning to interview him in April for the British Entertainment History Project
Cheers Sue






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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 12 06:58:57 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 12:58:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Riverside venue for a lunch?
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Bernie, maybe this would be a good place? As we know, it?s close to Hammersmith Broadway tube and bus station, and there used to be an NCP under the flyover, but the bridge is still closed to vehicular traffic.

>From Albert Barber?s posting about Riverside Studios:

However, you'll be particularly interested to hear that our Bar and Kitchen has just received a Diners' Choice 2022 Award - so don't miss out on the delicious food and drinks on offer here at Riverside.

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sun Mar 13 03:49:17 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 08:49:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
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I have a recollection of a boxing kangaroo coming up in the lift at Lime
Grove too. Anyone else recall it?
Geoff F

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 12:34, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Alexander Korda?s brother Zoltan had a son named David. Could well be him.
>
> There was also a third Korda brother named Vincent.
>
>
> *From:* phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2022 12:21 PM
> *To:* sue.malden <sue.malden at btinternet.com> ; Neil Dormand
> <neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk> ; 'tech1' <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
>
> The rumour I heard was that part of 'Sabu the Elephant Boy' , directed by
> Zoltan Korda, was shot in Lime Grove and the elephant fell in the tank.
>
> The scenery lift was used to bring HMQ up  to E for Blue Peter. It was
> draped in velvet but someone realised there was nothing for her to sit on
> during the slowest lift elevation in Europe. A throne duly arrived from the
> prop store.
> We also had an elephant on a show in Studio E who came up in the lift but
> not at the same time as HMQ.
>
> As an aside does anyone know if David Korda who was a 1st AD / Production
> Manager when I was a freelance Associate Producer was a descendant of
> either Zoltan or Alexander Korda?
>
> I worked a number of times with the DoP Ken Westbury and I'll endeavour to
> find his number and give him a call regarding the 'Cruel Sea'.
>
> Best to all
> Peter Hider
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 13 04:03:01 2022
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:03:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: New submission from BBCPA General Enquiry
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Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> Some one has has filled out a general enquiry form via the bbcpa.org.uk
> website. See their details below:
> 
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> 
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> 
>         First Name
> 
>         Roy
> 
>         Last Name
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> 
> Wanted.
> Does anyone have a copy of the 1991/2 brochure entitled "A Climate OF
> Change" produced by engineering & operation recruitment dept for the
> 1992 recruitment of Trainee Engineer Graduates for Transmission Dept. I
> would be very grateful to receive one. Please Telephone 01424 754993.
> 
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> I agree to the privacy policy.
> By using this form you agree with the storage and handling of your data
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Mar 13 04:08:21 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:08:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB8DF76W+ZpQVGp6a3K9-WnbFDkL-ioxM+V-JP8Fb_Fhsg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<946C5C6F62354518B4617CC62B658BD6@0023242e4e14>
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No, but there seems to be a crying need for an animal ?stories? page in the Tech-Ops history site! (Know what I mean, ?arry!).
Pat

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From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
Sent: 13 March 2022 08:49
To: David Brunt
Cc: tech1; sue.malden
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIME GROVE

I have a recollection of a boxing kangaroo coming up in the lift at Lime Grove too. Anyone else recall it??
Geoff F




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From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 04:57:42 2022
From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:57:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIME GROVE
In-Reply-To: <3DCA446C-F9A6-4C95-8FBA-7F790E972A91@btinternet.com>
References: <3DCA446C-F9A6-4C95-8FBA-7F790E972A91@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3028f6f1-f481-e014-e7e2-15cb9c4351c3@mridout.force9.co.uk>

Hi,

That Lime Grove book is in my possession (found in a charity shop), and 
I scanned it and posted the original message and pdf on this list in 
July 2020. I'm pleased it has surfaced again and generated some 
conversation.

Martin

On 11/03/2022 10:55, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear All this may be of interest. Best Albert
> 
> 


From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net  Sun Mar 13 05:15:01 2022
From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:15:01 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
Message-ID: <001501d836c3$33bd3470$9b379d50$@talktalk.net>

On the opening night of BBC 2 a kangaroo was loaded into the big lift at
Lime Grove.

 

The previous month had seen a lot of hype for the new BBC 2 channel
involving a mother kangaroo called Hullabaloo and her baby,  Custard.

 

The kangaroo was a symbol for the BBC One channel and would appear live in
Studio D (or was it E)

 

  As the lift was travelling up the power supply failed due to a
catastrophic failure at Battersea power station.

 

  The kangaroo  was very upset but I don't recall if her keeper/minder was
in the lift with her.

 

I was in TC doing the  "Compact" soap when it all went dark and all
transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.

 

I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as "Horse" saying "It must be
Battersea that has gone"  He was right.

 

The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring road
with cables draped over the building and into CAR.

 

BBC 2 started a day late.

 

Alex Thomas.

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Mar 13 05:50:46 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:50:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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References: <001501d836c3$33bd3470$9b379d50$@talktalk.net>
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How long was the kangaroo incarcerated?


Mike G



> On 13 Mar 2022, at 10:15, Alex Thomas via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> On the opening night of BBC 2 a kangaroo was loaded into the big lift at Lime Grove.
>  
> The previous month had seen a lot of hype for the new BBC 2 channel involving a mother kangaroo called Hullabaloo and her baby,  Custard.
>  
> The kangaroo was a symbol for the BBC One channel and would appear live in Studio D (or was it E)
>  
>   As the lift was travelling up the power supply failed due to a catastrophic failure at Battersea power station.
>  
>   The kangaroo  was very upset but I don?t recall if her keeper/minder was in the lift with her.
>  
> I was in TC doing the  ?Compact? soap when it all went dark and all transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>  
> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It must be Battersea that has gone?  He was right.
>  
> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>  
> BBC 2 started a day late.
>  
> Alex Thomas.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Mar 13 06:37:44 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:37:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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References: <001501d836c3$33bd3470$9b379d50$@talktalk.net>
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The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training and got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp from the desk.
Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that the main power input to TVC would suffer!

A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator in an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit to start the genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care had to be taken when mains power was restored to re-set everything to square one.
The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!

Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible animal.
We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the fauna for Australia!
There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the jaw, as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!

Pat

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From: Alex Thomas via Tech1
Sent: 13 March 2022 10:15
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard


I was in TC doing the ??Compact? soap when it all went dark and all transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.

I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It must be Battersea that has gone?? He was right.

The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.

BBC 2 started a day late.

Alex Thomas.



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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 06:52:34 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:52:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either of 
which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the other 
failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator for the 
entire site. You could provide backup for just the network control area, 
but again expensive for something purely standby. Since it is no big 
deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running the network in event 
of an emergency, provided plans for this are in place.

Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the 
entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and sold 
for scrap some 20 years later.

On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience 
> for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>
> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training and 
> got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp from the desk.
>
> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that the 
> main power input to TVC would suffer!
>
> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. 
> Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator in 
> an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power failed, 
> with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch where the 
> mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit to start the 
> genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care had to be taken 
> when mains power was restored to re-set everything to square one.
>
> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their heads 
> in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>
> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the 
> ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples in 
> the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and 
> unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>
> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had 
> now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible 
> animal.
>
> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South 
> America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the 
> fauna for Australia!
>
> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered 
> whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the jaw, 
> as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah chasing 
> down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the vertical 
> plane, like its own Steadicam!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *13 March 2022 10:15
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>
> I was in TC doing the ??Compact? soap when it all went dark and all 
> transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>
> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It must 
> be Battersea that has gone?? He was right.
>
> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring 
> road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>
> BBC 2 started a day late.
>
> Alex Thomas.
>
>
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 07:08:23 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 12:08:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
In-Reply-To: <92b35c26-87d4-5447-94b2-3ab8bfedb942@davesound.co.uk>
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Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is of 
little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}

Chris Woolf


On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either 
> of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the 
> other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator 
> for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network 
> control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. Since 
> it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running the 
> network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in place.
>
> Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the 
> entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and sold 
> for scrap some 20 years later.
>
> On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience 
>> for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>>
>> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training and 
>> got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp from the 
>> desk.
>>
>> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that 
>> the main power input to TVC would suffer!
>>
>> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. 
>> Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator in 
>> an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power 
>> failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch 
>> where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit to 
>> start the genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care had to 
>> be taken when mains power was restored to re-set everything to square 
>> one.
>>
>> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their 
>> heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>>
>> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the 
>> ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples 
>> in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and 
>> unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>>
>> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had 
>> now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible 
>> animal.
>>
>> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South 
>> America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the 
>> fauna for Australia!
>>
>> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered 
>> whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the jaw, 
>> as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah 
>> chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the 
>> vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows
>>
>> *From: *Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *13 March 2022 10:15
>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>
>> I was in TC doing the ??Compact? soap when it all went dark and all 
>> transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>>
>> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It must 
>> be Battersea that has gone?? He was right.
>>
>> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring 
>> road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>>
>> BBC 2 started a day late.
>>
>> Alex Thomas.
>>
>>
>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 07:16:06 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 12:16:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
In-Reply-To: <f1802bde-267f-1b5a-a6a5-af9f839d9282@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <001501d836c3$33bd3470$9b379d50$@talktalk.net>
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Quite. ? Although it wasn't a nationwide power cut?

What I do remember was the emergency lighting in the studio (battery) 
didn't last long. Not long enough for a safe evacuation had it been a 
fire or whatever. I was working on Dr Findlay's Casebook in TC3 or 4.

On 13/03/2022 12:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is 
> of little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either 
>> of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the 
>> other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator 
>> for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network 
>> control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. Since 
>> it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running the 
>> network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in place.
>>
>> Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the 
>> entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and sold 
>> for scrap some 20 years later.
>>
>> On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience 
>>> for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>>>
>>> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training and 
>>> got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp from the 
>>> desk.
>>>
>>> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that 
>>> the main power input to TVC would suffer!
>>>
>>> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. 
>>> Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator in 
>>> an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power 
>>> failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch 
>>> where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit 
>>> to start the genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care had 
>>> to be taken when mains power was restored to re-set everything to 
>>> square one.
>>>
>>> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their 
>>> heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>>>
>>> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the 
>>> ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples 
>>> in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and 
>>> unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>>>
>>> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had 
>>> now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible 
>>> animal.
>>>
>>> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South 
>>> America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the 
>>> fauna for Australia!
>>>
>>> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered 
>>> whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the jaw, 
>>> as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah 
>>> chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the 
>>> vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>>> Windows
>>>
>>> *From: *Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> *Sent: *13 March 2022 10:15
>>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>>
>>> I was in TC doing the ??Compact? soap when it all went dark and all 
>>> transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>>>
>>> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It 
>>> must be Battersea that has gone?? He was right.
>>>
>>> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC 
>>> ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>>>
>>> BBC 2 started a day late.
>>>
>>> Alex Thomas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Mar 13 07:25:43 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 12:25:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
In-Reply-To: <f1802bde-267f-1b5a-a6a5-af9f839d9282@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <001501d836c3$33bd3470$9b379d50$@talktalk.net>
	<622dd789.1c69fb81.7555.43b0@mx.google.com>
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I had to chortle at your reply. Chris.
Presumably Crystal Palace TX wasn?t affected
And I did have a battery powered set!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
Sent: 13 March 2022 12:08
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard

Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is of little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}
Chris Woolf

On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. Since it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running the network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in place.
Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and sold for scrap some 20 years later.



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 13 07:35:06 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 12:35:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Generator
In-Reply-To: <bbe3b2e8-2785-46c5-c553-b07ae8fd05ad@davesound.co.uk>
References: <001501d836c3$33bd3470$9b379d50$@talktalk.net>
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Several years ago my wife went on at me a lot to buy a generator, just 
in case.? I test it now and then, and try to familiarise myself with the 
complicated start up procedure.

It first came in to its own when we had a summer power cut. It took me a 
while to connect up fridge and freezer, and no sooner had I done it when 
the power came back.? More recently my wife the church warden went off 
at 0900 to do her bit, whilst I read the paper in my dressing gown.? 
Phone rings - "The church power tripped out when i turned on one of the 
heaters, any ideas".? Gets dressed, heads down there with generator and 
petrol can, and the service runs with generator power for the organ and 
an anglepoise.?? I don't go to church, but sometimes I do my bit.

B






On 13/03/2022 12:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Quite. ? Although it wasn't a nationwide power cut?
>
> What I do remember was the emergency lighting in the studio (battery) 
> didn't last long. Not long enough for a safe evacuation had it been a 
> fire or whatever. I was working on Dr Findlay's Casebook in TC3 or 4.
>
> On 13/03/2022 12:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is 
>> of little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either 
>>> of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the 
>>> other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator 
>>> for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network 
>>> control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. 
>>> Since it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running 
>>> the network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in 
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the 
>>> entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and 
>>> sold for scrap some 20 years later.
>>>
>>> On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience 
>>>> for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>>>>
>>>> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training 
>>>> and got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp 
>>>> from the desk.
>>>>
>>>> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that 
>>>> the main power input to TVC would suffer!
>>>>
>>>> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. 
>>>> Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator 
>>>> in an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power 
>>>> failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch 
>>>> where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit 
>>>> to start the genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care 
>>>> had to be taken when mains power was restored to re-set everything 
>>>> to square one.
>>>>
>>>> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their 
>>>> heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>>>>
>>>> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the 
>>>> ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples 
>>>> in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and 
>>>> unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>>>>
>>>> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had 
>>>> now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible 
>>>> animal.
>>>>
>>>> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South 
>>>> America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the 
>>>> fauna for Australia!
>>>>
>>>> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered 
>>>> whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the 
>>>> jaw, as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah 
>>>> chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the 
>>>> vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>>>> Windows
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> *Sent: *13 March 2022 10:15
>>>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>>>
>>>> I was in TC doing the ??Compact? soap when it all went dark and all 
>>>> transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>>>>
>>>> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It 
>>>> must be Battersea that has gone?? He was right.
>>>>
>>>> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC 
>>>> ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>>>>
>>>> BBC 2 started a day late.
>>>>
>>>> Alex Thomas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 07:57:17 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 12:57:17 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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Back to the night of the World Cup Final in the 60s when a backup mobile generator was installed in the ring Road to provide standby power for ICR which wasn?t on the CAR backup system.
The night before the final, this was run up as a test and rapidly the o/p rose to well over 240volts and blew up most of the equipment in ICR.
A long night for the nightshift engineers replacing most of the equipment.

I vaguely remember also when the Queen opened something in BH or just visited, the scanner was parked down Chandos Street, the road to the side of The Langham and took power from there. And that failed before TX but I think there was standby gene.

Mike

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2022 11:52 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard

IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. Since it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running the network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in place.
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From relong at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 13 13:59:27 2022
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 18:59:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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Bush house had a Bristol Proteus Jet engine on the roof for back up?.
It was so noisy it was never used in anger??
It was used in Hovercraft and Bluebird however.

> On 13 Mar 2022, at 12:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Quite. ? Although it wasn't a nationwide power cut?
> 
> What I do remember was the emergency lighting in the studio (battery) didn't last long. Not long enough for a safe evacuation had it been a fire or whatever. I was working on Dr Findlay's Casebook in TC3 or 4.
> 
> On 13/03/2022 12:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is of little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. Since it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running the network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in place.
>>> 
>>> Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and sold for scrap some 20 years later.
>>> 
>>> On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>>>> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training and got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp from the desk.
>>>> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that the main power input to TVC would suffer!
>>>>  
>>>> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator in an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit to start the genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care had to be taken when mains power was restored to re-set everything to square one.
>>>> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>>>>  
>>>> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>>>> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible animal.
>>>> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the fauna for Australia!
>>>> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the jaw, as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!
>>>>  
>>>> Pat
>>>>  
>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>>>  
>>>> From: Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: 13 March 2022 10:15
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> I was in TC doing the  ?Compact? soap when it all went dark and all transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>>>>  
>>>> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It must be Battersea that has gone?  He was right.
>>>>  
>>>> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>>>>  
>>>> BBC 2 started a day late.
>>>>  
>>>> Alex Thomas.
>>>>  
>>>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 13 13:59:45 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 18:59:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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I was in Lime Grove waiting to do '24 hours', i think, which was 
cancelled so I strolled up to TVC and saw people sitting on the stairs 
in the South Hall in tears, obviously from Pres. on their big night! 
Cheers, Dave

On 13/03/2022 12:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Quite. ? Although it wasn't a nationwide power cut?
>
> What I do remember was the emergency lighting in the studio (battery) 
> didn't last long. Not long enough for a safe evacuation had it been a 
> fire or whatever. I was working on Dr Findlay's Casebook in TC3 or 4.
>
> On 13/03/2022 12:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is 
>> of little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either 
>>> of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the 
>>> other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator 
>>> for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network 
>>> control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. 
>>> Since it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running 
>>> the network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in 
>>> place.
>>>
>>> Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the 
>>> entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and 
>>> sold for scrap some 20 years later.
>>>
>>> On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience 
>>>> for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>>>>
>>>> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training 
>>>> and got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp 
>>>> from the desk.
>>>>
>>>> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that 
>>>> the main power input to TVC would suffer!
>>>>
>>>> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. 
>>>> Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator 
>>>> in an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power 
>>>> failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch 
>>>> where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit 
>>>> to start the genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care 
>>>> had to be taken when mains power was restored to re-set everything 
>>>> to square one.
>>>>
>>>> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their 
>>>> heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>>>>
>>>> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the 
>>>> ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples 
>>>> in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and 
>>>> unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>>>>
>>>> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had 
>>>> now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible 
>>>> animal.
>>>>
>>>> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South 
>>>> America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the 
>>>> fauna for Australia!
>>>>
>>>> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered 
>>>> whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the 
>>>> jaw, as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah 
>>>> chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the 
>>>> vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>>>> Windows
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> *Sent: *13 March 2022 10:15
>>>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>>>
>>>> I was in TC doing the ??Compact? soap when it all went dark and all 
>>>> transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>>>>
>>>> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It 
>>>> must be Battersea that has gone?? He was right.
>>>>
>>>> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC 
>>>> ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>>>>
>>>> BBC 2 started a day late.
>>>>
>>>> Alex Thomas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Mar 13 14:05:39 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:05:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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If they were sitting on different levels of the stairs then I suppose they were in tears in tiers!

Mike G

> On 13 Mar 2022, at 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I was in Lime Grove waiting to do '24 hours', i think, which was cancelled so I strolled up to TVC and saw people sitting on the stairs in the South Hall in tears, obviously from Pres. on their big night! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 13/03/2022 12:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Quite. ? Although it wasn't a nationwide power cut?
>> 
>> What I do remember was the emergency lighting in the studio (battery) didn't last long. Not long enough for a safe evacuation had it been a fire or whatever. I was working on Dr Findlay's Casebook in TC3 or 4.
>> 
>> On 13/03/2022 12:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is of little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. Since it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running the network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in place.
>>>> 
>>>> Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and sold for scrap some 20 years later.
>>>> 
>>>> On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>>>>> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training and got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp from the desk.
>>>>> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that the main power input to TVC would suffer!
>>>>>  
>>>>> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator in an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit to start the genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care had to be taken when mains power was restored to re-set everything to square one.
>>>>> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>>>>>  
>>>>> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>>>>> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible animal.
>>>>> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the fauna for Australia!
>>>>> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the jaw, as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!
>>>>>  
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>  
>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>> Sent: 13 March 2022 10:15
>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> I was in TC doing the  ?Compact? soap when it all went dark and all transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>>>>>  
>>>>> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It must be Battersea that has gone?  He was right.
>>>>>  
>>>>> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>>>>>  
>>>>> BBC 2 started a day late.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Alex Thomas.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Mar 13 14:51:13 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 19:51:13 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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Think you deserve a bonus for that one Mike!

Dave Newbitt.

From: M E GILES via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2022 7:05 PM
To: Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard

If they were sitting on different levels of the stairs then I suppose they were in tears in tiers! 

Mike G



  On 13 Mar 2022, at 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  I was in Lime Grove waiting to do '24 hours', i think, which was cancelled so I strolled up to TVC and saw people sitting on the stairs in the South Hall in tears, obviously from Pres. on their big night! Cheers, Dave


  On 13/03/2022 12:16,
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 13 19:55:10 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 00:55:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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... on the other hand one could say 'smart arse!' Cheers, Anon

On 13/03/2022 19:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

> Think you deserve a bonus for that one Mike!
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* M E GILES via Tech1
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2022 7:05 PM
> *To:* Tech Ops
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
> If they were sitting on different levels of the stairs then I suppose 
> they were in tears in tiers!
> Mike G
>
>> On 13 Mar 2022, at 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was in Lime Grove waiting to do '24 hours', i think, which was 
>> cancelled so I strolled up to TVC and saw people sitting on the 
>> stairs in the South Hall in tears, obviously from Pres. on their big 
>> night! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 13/03/2022 12:16,
>
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Mar 14 02:47:15 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 07:47:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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I am not sure about this now, but I think that after BBC2 d?bacle a genny was installed below ground level near the South Hall rear exit and could manage a couple of lamps and a vidicon in pres A. and maybe a few other bits and pieces like Noddy and a Tk machine or two? That  wasn?t run up every week so it refused to start when it was needed. The next iteration was much larger and somewhere near the canteen? Dave Elvin, engineer, who loved routing around TVC infrastructure told me that although there were a matched pair next to each other and were run up regularly the back-up back-up couldn?t be used in anger because its exhaust was next to the fuel tank. I can?t verify that, but I can believe it.
Confirmation anyone?

Peter Fox

On 14 Mar 2022, at 00:55, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
.. on the other hand one could say 'smart arse!' Cheers, Anon 

On 13/03/2022 19:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

> Think you deserve a bonus for that one Mike!
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: M E GILES via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2022 7:05 PM
> To: Tech Ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>  
> If they were sitting on different levels of the stairs then I suppose they were in tears in tiers!
>  
> Mike G
> 
>> On 13 Mar 2022, at 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>  
>> I was in Lime Grove waiting to do '24 hours', i think, which was cancelled so I strolled up to TVC and saw people sitting on the stairs in the South Hall in tears, obviously from Pres. on their big night! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> On 13/03/2022 12:16,
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Mar 14 13:24:11 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 18:24:11 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] BST
Message-ID: <E17F5BA08060489F8D7FC6758D370027@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

This may be old hat but I?ve only just come across it.



Dave Newbitt.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 16:06:35 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 21:06:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BST
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My wife does the car one

B



On 14/03/2022 18:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> This may be old hat but I?ve only just come across it.
> clocks forward
> Dave Newbitt.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 17:44:25 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 22:44:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] MPFS
Message-ID: <8e694f3c-5808-4c20-f280-798430633d8a@gmail.com>

Is anyone else watching on That's TV UK?

It's still just as funny, and the one that just ended included this 
guest appearance -



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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Mar 14 18:02:09 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:02:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BST
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I?m not so sure this BST is such a brilliant idea.  

I give it six months.

Alan Taylor

> On 14 Mar 2022, at 21:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? My wife does the car one
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/03/2022 18:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> This may be old hat but I?ve only just come across it.
>>  
>> <clocks%20forward%5B2%5D.jpg>
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Mon Mar 14 18:12:59 2022
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:12:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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I was en route to Ealing on the Central Line, when? we emerged from 
underground after leaving Shepherds? Bush

I expected to see the lights of TVC's East Tower but I missed it, must 
have been looking out of the wrong window.

When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the 
blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)

Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own 
Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)



John H.

On 13/03/2022 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:


> I was in Lime Grove waiting to do '24 hours', i think, which was 
> cancelled so I strolled up to TVC and saw people sitting on the stairs 
> in the South Hall in tears, obviously from Pres. on their big night! 
> Cheers, Dave
>
> On 13/03/2022 12:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Quite. ? Although it wasn't a nationwide power cut?
>>
>> What I do remember was the emergency lighting in the studio (battery) 
>> didn't last long. Not long enough for a safe evacuation had it been a 
>> fire or whatever. I was working on Dr Findlay's Casebook in TC3 or 4.
>>
>> On 13/03/2022 12:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is 
>>> of little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, 
>>>> either of which capable of running it fully. But when one went 
>>>> down, the other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup 
>>>> generator for the entire site. You could provide backup for just 
>>>> the network control area, but again expensive for something purely 
>>>> standby. Since it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take 
>>>> over running the network in event of an emergency, provided plans 
>>>> for this are in place.
>>>>
>>>> Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the 
>>>> entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and 
>>>> sold for scrap some 20 years later.
>>>>
>>>> On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing 
>>>>> experience for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training 
>>>>> and got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp 
>>>>> from the desk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that 
>>>>> the main power input to TVC would suffer!
>>>>>
>>>>> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of 
>>>>> Wight. Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel 
>>>>> generator in an exterior outhouse. This was started when the 
>>>>> incoming power failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a 
>>>>> mercury switch where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to 
>>>>> complete a circuit to start the genny, which then automatically 
>>>>> fed the hotel. Care had to be taken when mains power was restored 
>>>>> to re-set everything to square one.
>>>>>
>>>>> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their 
>>>>> heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the 
>>>>> ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with 
>>>>> nipples in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk 
>>>>> (4-star and unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>>>>>
>>>>> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she 
>>>>> had now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a 
>>>>> sensible animal.
>>>>>
>>>>> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South 
>>>>> America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the 
>>>>> fauna for Australia!
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered 
>>>>> whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the 
>>>>> jaw, as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a 
>>>>> cheetah chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically 
>>>>> unmoving in the vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
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>>>>> for Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>> *Sent: *13 March 2022 10:15
>>>>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>>>>
>>>>> I was in TC doing the ??Compact? soap when it all went dark and 
>>>>> all transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It 
>>>>> must be Battersea that has gone?? He was right.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC 
>>>>> ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>>>>>
>>>>> BBC 2 started a day late.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex Thomas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Mar 14 18:51:58 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:51:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BST
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I'm surprised there are so many non RDS - or DAB - car radios still around?

But I'll go for another - those green digital stop watches a PA (script 
supervisor) used for logging a take timecode. And few could work out how 
to set the time on them - was often easier to set the camera time code 
generator? to them, on location.

On 14/03/2022 21:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> My wife does the car one
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 14/03/2022 18:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> This may be old hat but I?ve only just come across it.
>> clocks forward
>> Dave Newbitt.
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 19:26:44 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 00:26:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] MPFS
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Looks like Keith Salmon.

Geoff F

> On 14 Mar 2022, at 22:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else watching on That's TV UK?
> 
> It's still just as funny, and the one that just ended included this guest appearance - 
> 
> <FF1z0xLT649mtP9S.png>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 19:29:51 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 00:29:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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Here they are - Hullabaloo andCustard.

Geoff F


> On 14 Mar 2022, at 23:12, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I was en route to Ealing on the Central Line, when  we emerged from underground after leaving Shepherds  Bush
> 
> I expected to see the lights of TVC's East Tower but I missed it, must have been looking out of the wrong window.
> 
> When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
> 
> Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John H.
> 
> On 13/03/2022 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:<lots-road-power-station-interior-1977-001.jpg>
> 
> 
>> I was in Lime Grove waiting to do '24 hours', i think, which was cancelled so I strolled up to TVC and saw people sitting on the stairs in the South Hall in tears, obviously from Pres. on their big night! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> On 13/03/2022 12:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Quite. ? Although it wasn't a nationwide power cut?
>>> 
>>> What I do remember was the emergency lighting in the studio (battery) didn't last long. Not long enough for a safe evacuation had it been a fire or whatever. I was working on Dr Findlay's Casebook in TC3 or 4.
>>> 
>>> On 13/03/2022 12:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Of course the provision of a generator to run the source material is of little value of the audience is also in darkness and can't view it;}
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 13/03/2022 11:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> IIRC, TC did have backup. It had two independent mains feeds, either of which capable of running it fully. But when one went down, the other failed. It would be very expensive to have a backup generator for the entire site. You could provide backup for just the network control area, but again expensive for something purely standby. Since it is no big deal for elsewhere in the UK to take over running the network in event of an emergency, provided plans for this are in place.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thames TV at Teddington did install a generator big enough for the entire site. Tested every month. But was never used in anger and sold for scrap some 20 years later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 13/03/2022 11:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> The opening night of BBC2 must have been an embarrassing experience for TVC?s Engineering Dept. No back-up power?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was mixing Blue Peter live, once, on Sound Supervisor training and got ticked off for not checking the standby main output amp from the desk.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Back-up even there in the programme chain, but nobody thought that the main power input to TVC would suffer!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> A guy I knew well, ran a family seaside hotel in the Isle of Wight. Sometimes prone to power cuts, so he installed a diesel generator in an exterior outhouse. This was started when the incoming power failed, with a mains powered solenoid releasing a mercury switch where the mercury then ran down a glass tube to complete a circuit to start the genny, which then automatically fed the hotel. Care had to be taken when mains power was restored to re-set everything to square one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The local Electricity Board used to peer at his rig, shake their heads in bewilderment and leave him alone!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Kangaroos are an incredible animal species. Mummy Kanga has the ability to carry and nourish differently aged ?joeys?, with nipples in the pouch delivering different strengths of her milk (4-star and unleaded!), Attenborough?s lectures are not wasted on me!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Working in Adelaide for McLaren Formula 1, our PA said that she had now been in Australia for nine days and had not yet seen a sensible animal.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We discussed the idea that maybe the Almighty had planned South America first, got stoned on cocaine, then set about designing the fauna for Australia!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There was a body cam attached to a Kangaroo recently ? wondered whether it would be very jerky, but sensibly put just under the jaw, as the head doesn?t move that much vertically ? like a cheetah chasing down a gazelle ? the head stays practically unmoving in the vertical plane, like its own Steadicam!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: Alex Thomas via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>> Sent: 13 March 2022 10:15
>>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I was in TC doing the  ?Compact? soap when it all went dark and all transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It must be Battersea that has gone?  He was right.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> BBC 2 started a day late.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Alex Thomas.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 19:31:39 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 00:31:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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Here they are - Hullabaloo and Custard.

 

Geoff F



> On 13 Mar 2022, at 10:15, Alex Thomas via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> On the opening night of BBC 2 a kangaroo was loaded into the big lift at Lime Grove.
>  
> The previous month had seen a lot of hype for the new BBC 2 channel involving a mother kangaroo called Hullabaloo and her baby,  Custard.
>  
> The kangaroo was a symbol for the BBC One channel and would appear live in Studio D (or was it E)
>  
>   As the lift was travelling up the power supply failed due to a catastrophic failure at Battersea power station.
>  
>   The kangaroo  was very upset but I don?t recall if her keeper/minder was in the lift with her.
>  
> I was in TC doing the  ?Compact? soap when it all went dark and all transmissions reverted to Alexandra Palace.
>  
> I remember Frank Rose, the VCS, also known as ?Horse? saying ?It must be Battersea that has gone?  He was right.
>  
> The next morning saw a large generator from OBs parked on the TC ring road with cables draped over the building and into CAR.
>  
> BBC 2 started a day late.
>  
> Alex Thomas.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Mar 14 19:57:29 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 00:57:29 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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Here they should be?

Sleep well Geoff!

Dave Newbitt.


From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:29 AM
To: j at howell61.f9.co.uk 
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Here they are - Hullabaloo andCustard. 

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From k.sam at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 03:06:25 2022
From: k.sam at tiscali.co.uk (keith salmon)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 08:06:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] MPFS
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Yes Geoff it is me, those were the days,  ?Such Fun?.
Hope life is good Geoff.

Keith Salmon

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 00:26, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Looks like Keith Salmon.
> 
> Geoff F
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2022, at 22:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone else watching on That's TV UK?
>> 
>> It's still just as funny, and the one that just ended included this guest appearance - 
>> 
>> <FF1z0xLT649mtP9S.png>
>> 
>> B
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 15 03:19:30 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 08:19:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a long lead to the Metropolitan line!
(Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: John Howell via Tech1
Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard

When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)


John H.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Mar 15 04:05:16 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:05:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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<pedant>

750v DC

</pedant>
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 15 Mar 2022, at 08:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a long lead to the Metropolitan line!
> (Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: John Howell via Tech1
> Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>  
> When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
> 
> Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> John H.
> 
> On 13/03/2022 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 04:20:09 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:20:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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No it's +420 -210



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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 15 March 2022 09:05
To: pat.heigham at amps.net
Reply to: graeme.wall at icloud.com
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard


<pedant>

750v DC

</pedant>
?
Graeme Wall


> On 15 Mar 2022, at 08:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a long lead to the Metropolitan line!
> (Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)
>?
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>?
> From: John Howell via Tech1
> Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>?
> When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
>
> Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)
>
>?
>
>?
>
> John H.
>
> On 13/03/2022 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Mar 15 04:21:46 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:21:46 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
In-Reply-To: <1647DE68-C01E-4CC8-B892-0326E921F3A7@icloud.com>
References: <001501d836c3$33bd3470$9b379d50$@talktalk.net><622dd789.1c69fb81.7555.43b0@mx.google.com><92b35c26-87d4-5447-94b2-3ab8bfedb942@davesound.co.uk><f1802bde-267f-1b5a-a6a5-af9f839d9282@chriswoolf.co.uk><bbe3b2e8-2785-46c5-c553-b07ae8fd05ad@davesound.co.uk><3badd854-930e-fcc1-5b8d-61e8197876d5@btinternet.com><37b4284b-990b-e77d-7eec-9cbdc2359f0c@howell61.f9.co.uk><62304c12.1c69fb81.f80d0.d04a@mx.google.com>
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Is it possible you're both right? I have a memory from long ago of 600v DC. 
Or was that applicable to overhead pick -up for British Rail?

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:05 AM
To: patheigham
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard

<pedant>

750v DC

</pedant>
?
Graeme Wall


> On 15 Mar 2022, at 08:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a 
> long lead to the Metropolitan line!
> (Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>
> From: John Howell via Tech1
> Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>
> When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the 
> blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
>
> Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating 
> Station at Lots Road (see pic)
>
>
>
>
>
> John H.



From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Mar 15 04:32:51 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:32:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
In-Reply-To: <9EE6805582124B7692C06EAFBA388524@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <9EE6805582124B7692C06EAFBA388524@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <88555344-C6C0-4937-BD6F-2492DA4D5D54@icloud.com>

Nominally yes we are, the sub-surface lines are 630v and the tube lines are 750v. I thought they?d all been standardised but apparently not.

Graeme Wall

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 09:22, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is it possible you're both right? I have a memory from long ago of 600v DC. Or was that applicable to overhead pick -up for British Rail?
> 
> Dave Newbitt
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:05 AM
> To: patheigham
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
> 
> <pedant>
> 
> 750v DC
> 
> </pedant>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 15 Mar 2022, at 08:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a long lead to the Metropolitan line!
>> (Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: John Howell via Tech1
>> Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>> 
>> When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
>> 
>> Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John H.
> 


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 15 04:48:47 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:48:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
In-Reply-To: <1647DE68-C01E-4CC8-B892-0326E921F3A7@icloud.com>
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	<92b35c26-87d4-5447-94b2-3ab8bfedb942@davesound.co.uk>
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(pedant #2!)
>From what I have found out, the lines are electrified by a 4 rail DC system. All London Underground Lines operate at 630 volts DC using positive and negative current rails. The positive rail is at a potential of 420 volts above earth and the negative rail at 210 volts below earth.

Something else - I had to travel once between Luton and Croydon
and at Farringdon, the surface train switched from overhead to third rail pick up on its way to Brighton.

Could never understand why S. England didn?t adopt overhead, when the snowy winters render the 3rd rail system inoperable. Continental France, Germany, Austria and Switzerland all know about winter conditions!
Also the 3rd rail is mighty dangerous if anyone strays onto the lines!
But I guess, overhead is more expensive to install.

On another tack, I?m supportive of heritage steam railways. When Dr. Beeching slashed most of the branch lines, including those of my birthplace, the Isle of Wight, I suggested to the Bluebell railway that they move their operation to the Island and make it a huge steam museum ? what a tourist attraction that could have been! Too expensive to transport all their carefully restored rolling stock across, but a few far-sighted rich businessmen could have made it happen.

Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Graeme Wall
Sent: 15 March 2022 09:05
To: patheigham
Cc: John Howell; Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard

<pedant>

750v DC

</pedant>
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 15 Mar 2022, at 08:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a long lead to the Metropolitan line!
> (Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: John Howell via Tech1
> Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>  
> When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
> 
> Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)
> 
> John H.



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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Mar 15 05:10:26 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:10:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
In-Reply-To: <62306100.1c69fb81.fd21c.6d32@mx.google.com>
References: <62306100.1c69fb81.fd21c.6d32@mx.google.com>
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I think the Isle of Wight Steam Railway would agree that it is a good place for a major tourist attraction.

Graeme Wall

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 09:48, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> (pedant #2!)
> From what I have found out, the lines are electrified by a 4 rail DC system. All London Underground Lines operate at 630 volts DC using positive and negative current rails. The positive rail is at a potential of 420 volts above earth and the negative rail at 210 volts below earth.
>  
> Something else - I had to travel once between Luton and Croydon
> and at Farringdon, the surface train switched from overhead to third rail pick up on its way to Brighton.
>  
> Could never understand why S. England didn?t adopt overhead, when the snowy winters render the 3rd rail system inoperable. Continental France, Germany, Austria and Switzerland all know about winter conditions!
> Also the 3rd rail is mighty dangerous if anyone strays onto the lines!
> But I guess, overhead is more expensive to install.
>  
> On another tack, I?m supportive of heritage steam railways. When Dr. Beeching slashed most of the branch lines, including those of my birthplace, the Isle of Wight, I suggested to the Bluebell railway that they move their operation to the Island and make it a huge steam museum ? what a tourist attraction that could have been! Too expensive to transport all their carefully restored rolling stock across, but a few far-sighted rich businessmen could have made it happen.
>  
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Graeme Wall
> Sent: 15 March 2022 09:05
> To: patheigham
> Cc: John Howell; Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>  
> <pedant>
>  
> 750v DC
>  
> </pedant>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>  
>  
> > On 15 Mar 2022, at 08:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a long lead to the Metropolitan line!
> > (Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)
> > 
> > Sent from Mail for Windows
> > 
> > From: John Howell via Tech1
> > Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
> > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
> > 
> > When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
> >
> > Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)
> >
> > John H.
>  
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Tue Mar 15 05:29:53 2022
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:29:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] power cuts
References: <84c013da-7f3b-8e21-7309-922af2d7b4cc.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <84c013da-7f3b-8e21-7309-922af2d7b4cc@sky.com>

The comment about the emergency lighting at TVC not lasting very long, 
is surprising, although it was the 1960s.

Some years later, I was involved with a village hall which would get 
inspected by the local fire brigade from time to time as well as the 
council health and safety inspector.

One of the tests would be to switch the emergency lighting on and time 
how long they lasted - which should be in excess of two hours! Any light 
that didn't last this long had to have its battery changed. The fact 
that the hall could be cleared in about five minutes didn't wash!

I had experience of a power cut during a play at the Harrow Arts Centre 
during a production of Oliver. About 20 minutes into the second act, the 
power went out due to a cable fault in the area. We had to evacuate the 
audience (500+) under the emergency lighting only. Afterwards, the cast 
and crew stayed on for a time, and it was noticeable that the lights did 
dim over time. However, the level of the lighting didn't allow for any 
derig, so this had to be done early the next day.

Dave Buckley


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 15 05:40:32 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:40:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
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Sadly, most of the old I.o.W. railways have now been built over, so it could never be restored. Shame ? imagine if the Flying Scotsman could have been given a home, there!
Havenstreet has only about 5 miles of track to play on.
My story about shooting on the Watercress Line (Mid Hants about 10miles) is attached.
Pat

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From: Graeme Wall
Sent: 15 March 2022 10:10
To: patheigham
Cc: John Howell; Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard

I think the Isle of Wight Steam Railway would agree that it is a good place for a major tourist attraction.
Graeme Wall





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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Mar 15 05:55:12 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:55:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] power cuts
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I was only referring to the studio I was working in at the time. Either 
TC 3 or 4. The emergency lighting only lasted a few minutes. Dunno about 
the rest of the building.

TC, of course, had its own firemen. Dunno if they tested such things - 
it would likely be done when there was no production in the studio.

Think later maintained lighting with a battery in dedicated fittings 
(identified by a red LED etc) was a later thing, when Ni-Cad batteries 
arrived.? I'd guess each studio had its own lead acid battery room 
somewhere.

On 15/03/2022 10:29, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote:
> The comment about the emergency lighting at TVC not lasting very long, 
> is surprising, although it was the 1960s.
>
> Some years later, I was involved with a village hall which would get 
> inspected by the local fire brigade from time to time as well as the 
> council health and safety inspector.
>
> One of the tests would be to switch the emergency lighting on and time 
> how long they lasted - which should be in excess of two hours! Any 
> light that didn't last this long had to have its battery changed. The 
> fact that the hall could be cleared in about five minutes didn't wash!
>
> I had experience of a power cut during a play at the Harrow Arts 
> Centre during a production of Oliver. About 20 minutes into the second 
> act, the power went out due to a cable fault in the area. We had to 
> evacuate the audience (500+) under the emergency lighting only. 
> Afterwards, the cast and crew stayed on for a time, and it was 
> noticeable that the lights did dim over time. However, the level of 
> the lighting didn't allow for any derig, so this had to be done early 
> the next day.
>
> Dave Buckley
>
>


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 15 05:57:35 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:57:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] power cuts
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Dave B?s tale about checks carried out with the local fire brigade from time to time as well as the council health and safety inspector, carries weight with me.
Our three small blocks of flats are looked after by a splendid firm of Managing Agents, who are well up-to-date with current Fire and Safety regulations, and carry out regular inspections. We had to have the lighting in communal entrance hallways changed to security backup lighting, which is battery powered, but are trickled charged when normal mains is present. At the same time, the units now operate on a proximity sensing basis, which saves on electricity cost ? previously they were on delay timers, which were frequently failing.
Pat


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From: Dave Buckley via Tech1
Sent: 15 March 2022 10:30
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] power cuts

The comment about the emergency lighting at TVC not lasting very long, 
is surprising, although it was the 1960s.

Some years later, I was involved with a village hall which would get 
inspected by the local fire brigade from time to time as well as the 
council health and safety inspector.

One of the tests would be to switch the emergency lighting on and time 
how long they lasted - which should be in excess of two hours! Any light 
that didn't last this long had to have its battery changed. The fact 
that the hall could be cleared in about five minutes didn't wash!

I had experience of a power cut during a play at the Harrow Arts Centre 
during a production of Oliver. About 20 minutes into the second act, the 
power went out due to a cable fault in the area. We had to evacuate the 
audience (500+) under the emergency lighting only. Afterwards, the cast 
and crew stayed on for a time, and it was noticeable that the lights did 
dim over time. However, the level of the lighting didn't allow for any 
derig, so this had to be done early the next day.

Dave Buckley





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 15 06:12:38 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:12:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BST
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Hey, Alan! Where you been, mate? BST has been in place for years?
?In the Spring, spring forward? ?In the Fall, fall back? is how the reminder works to adjust the clocks.
Mind, you, those residents of our Northern areas don?t like the fact that the kids have to go to school in darkness, during the winter.

I believe that during the War (2) there was Double Summer Time for farmers to make best use of the daylight hours. Why not just get up two hours earlier?

Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 14 March 2022 23:02
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BST

I?m not so sure this BST is such a brilliant idea. ?

I give it six months.

Alan Taylor





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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Mar 15 06:42:39 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:42:39 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] BST
In-Reply-To: <623074a6.1c69fb81.67453.ceb0@mx.google.com>
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Pat ? we really must get you tuned into the general field of spoof, irony and Alan?s regular injections of humour!

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 11:12 AM
To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BST

Hey, Alan! Where you been, mate? BST has been in place for years?

?In the Spring, spring forward? ?In the Fall, fall back? is how the reminder works to adjust the clocks.

Mind, you, those residents of our Northern areas don?t like the fact that the kids have to go to school in darkness, during the winter.

 

I believe that during the War (2) there was Double Summer Time for farmers to make best use of the daylight hours. Why not just get up two hours earlier?

 

Pat

 

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 14 March 2022 23:02
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BST

 

I?m not so sure this BST is such a brilliant idea.  

 

I give it six months.

 

Alan Taylor





 




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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Mar 15 06:44:19 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:44:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BST
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Pat, 

it might have been a whimsical post.

Alan



> On 15 Mar 2022, at 11:12, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hey, Alan! Where you been, mate? BST has been in place for years?
> ?In the Spring, spring forward? ?In the Fall, fall back? is how the reminder works to adjust the clocks.
> Mind, you, those residents of our Northern areas don?t like the fact that the kids have to go to school in darkness, during the winter.
>  
> I believe that during the War (2) there was Double Summer Time for farmers to make best use of the daylight hours. Why not just get up two hours earlier?
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 14 March 2022 23:02
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BST
>  
> I?m not so sure this BST is such a brilliant idea.  
>  
> I give it six months.
>  
> Alan Taylor
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 15 16:14:18 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 21:14:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tubes and SR
In-Reply-To: <1647DE68-C01E-4CC8-B892-0326E921F3A7@icloud.com>
References: <001501d836c3$33bd3470$9b379d50$@talktalk.net>
	<622dd789.1c69fb81.7555.43b0@mx.google.com>
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Just be careful which rail you connect to! One is -200v. and one is 
+450ish whereas? SR is +850v. on the one power rail, I believe. So that 
is why SR trains can run on the tube network from Wimbledon on tube 
lines back into Clapham Junction! Clever what? Cheers, Dave

On 15/03/2022 09:05, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> <pedant>
>
> 750v DC
>
> </pedant>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 15 Mar 2022, at 08:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a long lead to the Metropolitan line!
>> (Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)
>>   
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>   
>> From: John Howell via Tech1
>> Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>   
>> When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
>>
>> Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)
>>
>>   
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>>   
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>> John H.
>>
>> On 13/03/2022 18:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 15 16:16:58 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 21:16:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PH
In-Reply-To: <D5C6CD44DE7041E49F371E209C116726@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <3a9896bb-b36b-62e7-c589-71c36109b0b6@gmail.com>
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Just be careful Dave, Bernie doesn't like us being ctitical of another 
correspondent! Cheers, Dave

On 15/03/2022 11:42, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Pat ? we really must get you tuned into the general field of spoof, 
> irony and Alan?s regular injections of humour!
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 11:12 AM
> *To:* Alan Taylor ; tech1
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] BST
>
> Hey, Alan! Where you been, mate? BST has been in place for years?
>
> ?In the Spring, spring forward? ?In the Fall, fall back? is how the 
> reminder works to adjust the clocks.
>
> Mind, you, those residents of our Northern areas don?t like the fact 
> that the kids have to go to school in darkness, during the winter.
>
> I believe that during the War (2) there was Double Summer Time for 
> farmers to make best use of the daylight hours. Why not just get up 
> two hours earlier?
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1
> *Sent: *14 March 2022 23:02
> *To: *tech1
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] BST
>
> I?m not so sure this BST is such a brilliant idea.
>
> I give it six months.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Mar 15 17:30:55 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:30:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tubes and SR
In-Reply-To: <254d1a99-004a-3019-2a6d-eb5e9c7d8975@btinternet.com>
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Not exactly a balanced line! Whoever?s right, I hope they have plastic axles.
Cheers, N.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 21:14, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Just be careful which rail you connect to! One is -200v. and one is +450ish whereas  SR is +850v. on the one power rail, I believe. So that is why SR trains can run on the tube network from Wimbledon on tube lines back into Clapham Junction! Clever what? Cheers, Dave
> 
>> On 15/03/2022 09:05, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>> <pedant>
>> 
>> 750v DC
>> 
>> </pedant>
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 15 Mar 2022, at 08:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So someone could have nipped out from TVC with a couple of croc clips on a long lead to the Metropolitan line!
>>> (Actually not, as it?s around 600v DC!)
>>>  Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>  From: John Howell via Tech1
>>> Sent: 14 March 2022 23:13
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hullabaloo and Custard
>>>  When we reached the heights of East Acton I could see the extent of the blackout, just a few lights near Acton Town.)
>>> 
>>> Of course the Tube Network was a blaze of glory it had it's own Generating Station at Lots Road (see pic)

From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 12:23:22 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:23:22 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Maida Vale
Message-ID: <311BAF1575F64CE5BEDF0EB5E6F87D85@Gigabyte>

This came in from another group of BBCies

Worth watching the MV bit anyway.

Mike



interesting little 5 minute featurette in today's BBC Music Day Bargain Hunt show (contestants from The Darkness & Feeder), looking around Maida Vale studios.

iPlayer link (starts 25 minutes in) - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0008s93

ken s



      
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Mar 16 12:31:32 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:31:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Maida Vale
In-Reply-To: <311BAF1575F64CE5BEDF0EB5E6F87D85@Gigabyte>
References: <311BAF1575F64CE5BEDF0EB5E6F87D85@Gigabyte>
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Presumably another victim of the BBC being forced out of London.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 16 Mar 2022, at 17:23, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This came in from another group of BBCies
>  
> Worth watching the MV bit anyway.
>  
> Mike
>  
>  
>  
> interesting little 5 minute featurette in today's BBC Music Day Bargain Hunt show (contestants from The Darkness & Feeder), looking around Maida Vale studios.
> 
> iPlayer link (starts 25 minutes in) - https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0008s93
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 13:22:18 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:22:18 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Maida Vale
In-Reply-To: <F93F15CB-379D-48B8-91F9-32954F1F90B5@icloud.com>
References: <311BAF1575F64CE5BEDF0EB5E6F87D85@Gigabyte>
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Message-ID: <52EFDD617D384679A018236B13A74F6F@Gigabyte>

Presumably because MV is getting very antiquated and needing lots of money 
spent on repairs and also requiring all new equipment.
The new place in Dagenham (or is it Stratford or Docklands) looks more like 
a simple concert hall so would be OK for that.
If BBC actually owns MV, that site could soon become a housing area for 
Oligarcs

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Graeme Wall
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 5:31 PM
To: Mike Jordan
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Maida Vale

Presumably another victim of the BBC being forced out of London.

?
Graeme Wall




From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Wed Mar 16 12:53:35 2022
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Sound Super)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:53:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Maida Vale
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Mar 16 13:34:09 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:34:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Maida Vale
In-Reply-To: <4F604961-18F2-8F4A-94E5-54F47794EC1C@hxcore.ol>
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Rash assumption that it was going oop norf.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 16 Mar 2022, at 17:53, Sound Super <robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Not moving outside London this time Graham. New build at Stratford,East London.
> 
> Rob
> 
> Get Outlook for Android



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 16 17:28:34 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 22:28:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nazanin Z-R
Message-ID: <62e4323d-2405-fce9-e47a-a26700479e99@btinternet.com>

Just tracking her flight on Flight Radar on my mobile! It is? a Titan 
Airways Boeing 757-256 from MCT-BZZ , flight no. ZT601, call sign 
AWC601, landing delayed from 0045 until 0110. Currently over Romania. 
Cheers, Dave



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 17 17:58:01 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:58:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's Trumpet!
Message-ID: <6233bcf9.1c69fb81.28ede.5db5@mx.google.com>

OK, Guy?s ? time for Pat to play his trumpet.
Today, ITV4 was running ?The Spy Who Love Me? upon which I worked.
See the attachment. I was seen in background action when Bond?s Lotus emerges from the sea. Wowee! I?m in a Bond movie!
Pat


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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Mar 17 18:29:11 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 23:29:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's Trumpet!
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Spelling and punctuation, Pat ( but not necessarily in that order) ~ definitely a hundred lines for each offence!


Mike G


> On 17 Mar 2022, at 22:58, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> OK, Guy?s ? time for Pat to play his trumpet.
> Today, ITV4 was running ?The Spy Who Love Me? upon which I worked.
> See the attachment. I was seen in background action when Bond?s Lotus emerges from the sea. Wowee! I?m in a Bond movie!
> Pat
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Mar 18 04:49:50 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:49:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Maida Vale
In-Reply-To: <52EFDD617D384679A018236B13A74F6F@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <pfh9e56400ek0o360q1l18kf.1647596990025@pgtmedia.co.uk>


Attached picture is the building site in Stratford. 
New Sadlers Wells East and the new M V replacement are the right of the picture. 
Near the Olympic pool and with the overground and DLR run behind these buildings. 


Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

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	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 16 March 2022 18:22
To: graeme.wall at icloud.com
Reply to: mikej at bmanor.co.uk
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Maida Vale


Presumably because MV is getting very antiquated and needing lots of money
spent on repairs and also requiring all new equipment.
The new place in Dagenham (or is it Stratford or Docklands) looks more like
a simple concert hall so would be OK for that.
If BBC actually owns MV, that site could soon become a housing area for
Oligarcs

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme Wall
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 5:31 PM
To: Mike Jordan
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Maida Vale

Presumably another victim of the BBC being forced out of London.

?
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 12:18:59 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 17:18:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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I think, following Pat's Trumpet - though I think Pat has played that 
particular tune before, a few times - we should all blow our own. So 
feel free - what have you done that you want to show off about?

Personally, I spent much of this spring (today) cleaning Sahara sand off 
the cars .



B



On 17/03/2022 22:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> OK, Guy?s ? time for Pat to play his trumpet.
>
> Today, ITV4 was running ?The Spy Who Love Me? upon which I worked.
>
> See the attachment. I was seen in background action when Bond?s Lotus 
> emerges from the sea. Wowee! I?m in a Bond movie!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Mar 18 12:54:58 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 17:54:58 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Fwd: Pause for reflection!
Message-ID: <6C09CD5C194241DF965533ED49F370C1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I forward this in awareness that independent Googling shows some contentiousness. The main point I suppose is that it seems to be unknown and unremarked by the majority of people, including myself. It came to me from neighbours who, similarly, had no previous knowledge until one of their relatives sent the piece to them.

Dave Newbitt.
  At the entrance to the memorial park in Kyiv, there is a sculpture of an extremely thin girl with a very sad look holding a handful of wheat in her hands. Behind her back is the Candle of Remembrance. This monument commemorates the Holodomor.



  What is the Holodomor?

  After the end of the First World War, Ukraine was an independent state, but in 1919 the Soviet Union "sucked" it into the community of Soviet states. The Ukrainians considered themselves a Central European country, like Poland, and not an Eastern European country like Russia. They tried to restore Ukraine's independence.

  In 1932, not wanting to lose control of Europe's main source of grain, Stalin took away the grain-producing land from the Ukrainian peasants and also all the grain, creating an artificial famine. The goal was to "teach Ukrainians to be smart" so that they would no longer oppose Moscow. The people who produced the most grain in Europe were left without a crumb of bread.

  The peak of the Holodomor was in the spring of 1933. In Ukraine at that time, 17 people died of hunger every minute, more than 1,000 every hour, and almost 24,500 every day! People were literally starving to death in the streets.

  Stalin settled Russians into the emptied Ukrainian villages. During the next census, there was a huge shortage of population. Therefore, the Soviet government annulled the census, destroyed the census documents, and the census takers were shot or sent to the gulag, in order to hide the truth.

  Today, 28 countries around the world present the Holodomor as genocide against Ukrainians. You couldn't learn about in school because almost all evidence was destroyed and victims were covered up for decades. To this day mass graves are being uncovered.

  Books are now being written. Movies are now being made.

  The Holodomor at that time broke the Ukrainian resistance, but it made the desire for Ukraine's independence from Russia eternal.
  ?


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 18 14:00:50 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:00:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
In-Reply-To: <7021e0e1-d939-82a1-f8dd-3b95de0a6424@gmail.com>
References: <6233bcf9.1c69fb81.28ede.5db5@mx.google.com>
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Most of us don't need to blow our own trumpet, the evidence is there on 
the TV screen, with credits! My mother was so proud to show doubters 
that I was actually famous! Long before the credits there was a '30 
minute Theatre' in which Dave King was the host on a game show and, just 
like Anne Robinson, he tore the contestants apart! It was recorded in 
TC7 in front of a live audience as part of the play. The whole crew was 
seen in vision and I, as a boom op., got a ?5 appearance fee! Whoopee! 
That certainly paid the rent that week! My OB credits include 'SOP' , 
'Praise Be', '5 Nations preview', 'See Hear' ( a program for the deaf 
!!!!!) and many others so my trumpet is securely locked away as I don't 
need i! Cheers, Dave

 ?On 18/03/2022 17:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I think, following Pat's Trumpet - though I think Pat has played that 
> particular tune before, a few times - we should all blow our own. So 
> feel free - what have you done that you want to show off about?
>
> Personally, I spent much of this spring (today) cleaning Sahara sand 
> off the cars .
>
>
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 17/03/2022 22:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> OK, Guy?s ? time for Pat to play his trumpet.
>>
>> Today, ITV4 was running ?The Spy Who Love Me? upon which I worked.
>>
>> See the attachment. I was seen in background action when Bond?s Lotus 
>> emerges from the sea. Wowee! I?m in a Bond movie!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> 	
>>
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 14:11:39 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:11:39 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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Would that be ?The Big ?H? ??

Broadcast 23 September 1978.



From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:00 PM
To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Trumpeting

Most of us don't need to blow our own trumpet, the evidence is there on the TV screen, with credits! My mother was so proud to show doubters that I was actually famous! Long before the credits there was a '30 minute Theatre' in which Dave King was the host on a game show and, just like Anne Robinson, he tore the contestants apart! It was recorded in TC7 in front of a live audience as part of the play. The whole crew was seen in vision and I, as a boom op., got a ?5 appearance fee! Whoopee! That certainly paid the rent that week! My OB credits include 'SOP' , 'Praise Be', '5 Nations preview', 'See Hear' ( a program for the deaf !!!!!) and many others so my trumpet is securely locked away as I don't need i! Cheers, Dave 

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Mar 18 15:32:56 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:32:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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Well, I never had a trumpet to blow, but would you like to see my organ?
Uh-oh, that?ll never get past the censors, but just in case it does, here?s a picture of it? I did make most of it, afterall.


[image0.jpeg]
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 18 Mar 2022, at 19:01, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Most of us don't need to blow our own trumpet, the evidence is there on the TV screen, with credits! My mother was so proud to show doubters that I was actually famous! Long before the credits there was a '30 minute Theatre' in which Dave King was the host on a game show and, just like Anne Robinson, he tore the contestants apart! It was recorded in TC7 in front of a live audience as part of the play. The whole crew was seen in vision and I, as a boom op., got a ?5 appearance fee! Whoopee! That certainly paid the rent that week! My OB credits include 'SOP' , 'Praise Be', '5 Nations preview', 'See Hear' ( a program for the deaf !!!!!) and many others so my trumpet is securely locked away as I don't need i! Cheers, Dave

 On 18/03/2022 17:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Mar 18 15:36:29 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:36:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
In-Reply-To: <96aa8bdc-c232-2dd2-d548-9bbc971bbb1b@btinternet.com>
References: <96aa8bdc-c232-2dd2-d548-9bbc971bbb1b@btinternet.com>
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> On 18 Mar 2022, at 19:01, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Most of us don't need to blow our own trumpet, the evidence is there on the TV screen, with credits! My mother was so proud to show doubters that I was actually famous!

My father never really showed much enthusiasm for my career. He spent a number of years telling me that I should pack up this television malarkey and get a ?proper job?. Then when I was clearing out his stuff after he passed away, I came across a VHS marked Alan.  He didn?t have a video camera, so I was intrigued to see what might be on the tape.  It turned out to be a compilation of closing credits for loads of shows I had worked on.

Perhaps he was more proud than he let on.

Alan
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Mar 18 16:29:26 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:29:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pause for reflection!
In-Reply-To: <6C09CD5C194241DF965533ED49F370C1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <6C09CD5C194241DF965533ED49F370C1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Thank you for this Dave ~ another revelation for me and it should be widely disseminated, particularly in Russia.

Mike G


> On 18 Mar 2022, at 17:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I forward this in awareness that independent Googling shows some contentiousness. The main point I suppose is that it seems to be unknown and unremarked by the majority of people, including myself. It came to me from neighbours who, similarly, had no previous knowledge until one of their relatives sent the piece to them.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>> At the entrance to the memorial park in Kyiv, there is a sculpture of an extremely thin girl with a very sad look holding a handful of wheat in her hands. Behind her back is the Candle of Remembrance. This monument commemorates the Holodomor.
>>  
>> <image.png>
>>  
>> What is the Holodomor?
>>  
>> After the end of the First World War, Ukraine was an independent state, but in 1919 the Soviet Union "sucked" it into the community of Soviet states. The Ukrainians considered themselves a Central European country, like Poland, and not an Eastern European country like Russia. They tried to restore Ukraine's independence.
>>  
>> In 1932, not wanting to lose control of Europe's main source of grain, Stalin took away the grain-producing land from the Ukrainian peasants and also all the grain, creating an artificial famine. The goal was to "teach Ukrainians to be smart" so that they would no longer oppose Moscow. The people who produced the most grain in Europe were left without a crumb of bread.
>>  
>> The peak of the Holodomor was in the spring of 1933. In Ukraine at that time, 17 people died of hunger every minute, more than 1,000 every hour, and almost 24,500 every day! People were literally starving to death in the streets.
>>  
>> Stalin settled Russians into the emptied Ukrainian villages. During the next census, there was a huge shortage of population. Therefore, the Soviet government annulled the census, destroyed the census documents, and the census takers were shot or sent to the gulag, in order to hide the truth.
>>  
>> Today, 28 countries around the world present the Holodomor as genocide against Ukrainians. You couldn't learn about in school because almost all evidence was destroyed and victims were covered up for decades. To this day mass graves are being uncovered.
>>  
>> Books are now being written. Movies are now being made.
>>  
>> The Holodomor at that time broke the Ukrainian resistance, but it made the desire for Ukraine's independence from Russia eternal.
>> ?
>>  
>>  
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 18 16:45:07 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:45:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
In-Reply-To: <69BCAC5F-A1C4-4DC7-93C6-58AAE187BB4B@me.com>
References: <96aa8bdc-c232-2dd2-d548-9bbc971bbb1b@btinternet.com>
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That's great for you Alan, it's lovely to know that your parents 
eventually recognised your value to the world! Well done, your Dad. 
Cheers, Dave

On 18/03/2022 20:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> On 18 Mar 2022, at 19:01, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Most of us don't need to blow our own trumpet, the evidence is there 
>> on the TV screen, with credits! My mother was so proud to show 
>> doubters that I was actually famous!
>
> My father never really showed much enthusiasm for my career. He spent 
> a number of years telling me that I should pack up this television 
> malarkey and get a ?proper job?. Then when I was clearing out his 
> stuff after he passed away, I came across a VHS marked Alan. ?He 
> didn?t have a video camera, so I was intrigued to see what might be on 
> the tape. ?It turned out to be a compilation of closing credits for 
> loads of shows I had worked on.
>
> Perhaps he was more proud than he let on.
>
> Alan
>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Mar 18 16:47:13 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 21:47:13 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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Love your equipment wooden shelf as well complete with modem/router, wireless phone, convenient hole in the back to reach the mains socket and of coarse a BT socket on the skirting board for the internet and the proper old no doubt wind-up clock)!

(Seriously though, I wasn?t spying but the big picture opened with all that in the middle!)

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 8:32 PM
To: dave.mdv ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Patrick Heigham 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Trumpeting

Well, I never had a trumpet to blow, but would you like to see my organ? 
Uh-oh, that?ll never get past the censors, but just in case it does, here?s a picture of it? I did make most of it, afterall.



Cheers,
Nick.
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From tuckergarth at me.com  Sat Mar 19 02:53:00 2022
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 07:53:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Parents and Credits!
Message-ID: <65141F12-CB0C-4D60-ADC3-A728B9AE8D0F@me.com>

My parents, who I loved deeply, couldn?t stand ?Brookside? but they did tune in to Channel 4 just see the credits in case I was on them.

Garth

From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Mar 19 05:02:40 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:02:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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On 18/03/2022 20:32, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Well, I never had a trumpet to blow, but would you like to see my organ?

Not quite the same as Nick's, but "mine's bigger";}

Done last year during lockdown. Just two of us - combined age of 141 - 
and completed in 7 months.

Chris W
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 19 05:05:47 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:05:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
Message-ID: <1156f99d-e784-a809-0fda-1c2f0bf05e49@btinternet.com>

Appearing in shot was a definite 'no-no' for any BBC operative! Even the 
end of your microphone was bad news! Unless it was part of the drama or 
sketch we all tried to avoid it, so bad on yer, Pat! Credits, on the 
other hand, were important for free-lancers' s CVs to get their next 
booking! Nowadays, you have to record them as they whizz through so fast 
as to be unreadable. I'm so grateful I retired before the Tories 
demolished the Beeb! Cheers, Dave.



From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Mar 19 05:27:26 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:27:26 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
In-Reply-To: <5ff82206-cf69-b67d-497c-211caffdd485@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <6233bcf9.1c69fb81.28ede.5db5@mx.google.com><7021e0e1-d939-82a1-f8dd-3b95de0a6424@gmail.com><96aa8bdc-c232-2dd2-d548-9bbc971bbb1b@btinternet.com><AM9P191MB197204592C35772599C6FA0BA7139@AM9P191MB1972.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Now that really is something to be proud of. Knowledge, ability, pride in good workmanship and saving something of demonstrable value from terminal extinction.

Brilliant Chris & Co.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2022 10:02 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Trumpeting



On 18/03/2022 20:32, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:

  Well, I never had a trumpet to blow, but would you like to see my organ?

Not quite the same as Nick's, but "mine's bigger";}

Done last year during lockdown. Just two of us - combined age of 141 - and completed in 7 months.

Chris W







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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 19 05:28:50 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:28:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Big Issue
In-Reply-To: <BBD50E7CAA9B4EF7B5834FDBA78BFAE0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <6C09CD5C194241DF965533ED49F370C1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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My wife is recognised by a female seller in Kingston and always feels 
she has to buy an 'Issue'! But one evening she witnessed all of the 
ladies walking up the street and being picked up in a very grand motor 
car! 'Nuff said! Cheers, Dave

On 19/03/2022 10:20, David Newbitt wrote:
> Thank you Mike and Dave for your reaction to the Holodomor. I really 
> do appreciate so very much not being left feeling like a voice in the 
> wilderness. I?m not of the ilk that has an emotional crisis if I don?t 
> get enough Facebook likes but I confess to at times feeling bewildered 
> and a little surprised when so few of the membership respond to this 
> type of post. The vast majority of our colleagues are of course, like 
> you, caring, concerned decent people and show those qualities 
> regularly, yet at other times are strangely reticent.
> I wonder if perhaps with some there is caution just in case someone 
> pops up saying it?s all a hoax and they then look as though they?ve 
> been taken in and have been naive? We all wonder, when tragic looking 
> figures squatting on the pavement with a dog and upturned cap gaze at 
> us as we pass, whether their circumstances
> are as impoverished as they seem. It is often convenient to let that 
> thought stand in the way of a small act of kindness. I am inconsistent 
> but invariably feel uncomfortable if I pass by, less so if I don?t. I 
> sometimes buy a copy of the ?Big Issue? but there are some sellers 
> whose approach really rubs me up the wrong way and they get ignored.
> Best wishes,
> Dave N.
> *From:* M E GILES via Tech1
> *Sent:* Friday, March 18, 2022 9:29 PM
> *To:* Tech Ops
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Pause for reflection!
> Thank you for this Dave ~ another revelation for me and it should be 
> widely disseminated, particularly in Russia.
> Mike G
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Many thanks Dave, this is something we were never taught about in 
> school history lessons! It explains a lot about today's happenings.
> Cheers, Dave.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> On 18 Mar 2022, at 17:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I forward this in awareness that independent Googling shows some 
>> contentiousness. The main point I suppose is that it seems to be 
>> unknown and unremarked by the majority of people, including myself. 
>> It came to me from neighbours who, similarly, had no previous 
>> knowledge until one of their relatives sent the piece to them.
>> Dave Newbitt.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 19 05:47:17 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:47:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
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Dave ? read the story again! This was on a feature movie, a Bond, no less.
Nothing to do with the BBC.
There was one occasion at TVC where a camera was imported into Sound Control, to show how a TV programme was made. We got paid 10 guineas appearance fee, but as it was during our normal work, the Corp deducted 3 guineas!
Much later I was asked to record some memories for a DVD Extras for a Dr.Who. Got ?100 for that and a chauffeured Mercedes to the recording studio! Later still, an on-camera session for ?Out of the Unknown? but the BFI pleaded skint, so no fee, but I think I got travel expenses.
Not ever having had an agent, one had to blow one?s own trumpet as much as possible.
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 19 March 2022 10:05
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism

Appearing in shot was a definite 'no-no' for any BBC operative! Even the 
end of your microphone was bad news! Unless it was part of the drama or 
sketch we all tried to avoid it, so bad on yer, Pat! Credits, on the 
other hand, were important for free-lancers' s CVs to get their next 
booking! Nowadays, you have to record them as they whizz through so fast 
as to be unreadable. I'm so grateful I retired before the Tories 
demolished the Beeb! Cheers, Dave.


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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Sat Mar 19 06:01:59 2022
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:01:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
In-Reply-To: <5ff82206-cf69-b67d-497c-211caffdd485@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <6233bcf9.1c69fb81.28ede.5db5@mx.google.com>
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Dear Chris,

I am impressed!!!

If you have another spare 7 months, I have a similar project waiting in 
the wings.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 19/03/2022 10:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> On 18/03/2022 20:32, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Well, I never had a trumpet to blow, but would you like to see my organ?
> 
> Not quite the same as Nick's, but "mine's bigger";}
> 
> Done last year during lockdown. Just two of us - combined age of 141 - 
> and completed in 7 months.
> 
> Chris W
> 
> 


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 19 06:02:49 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:02:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Parents and Credits!
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My parents were hugely supportive of my chosen career, but I did incur my father?s wrath, when I failed to tell him what I was up to, in banging the central heating pipes to get an effect of a water hammer for a Steptoe, where Harold had installed a load of dodgy plumbing in their house. However, I got my folks audience tickets for that very episode, showed them round the control rooms, and Dad couldn?t stop talking about it in our local pub!

Agreed that end credits are run so fast and shrunk to become unreadable, but magically return to full screen when the production credits turn up!
But technician credits were few and far between in the 60?s.

Pat

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From: Garth Tucker via Tech1
Sent: 19 March 2022 07:53
To: tech1 >
Subject: [Tech1] Parents and Credits!

My parents, who I loved deeply, couldn?t stand ?Brookside? but they did tune in to Channel 4 just see the credits in case I was on them.

Garth



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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Mar 19 06:37:53 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:37:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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Quite proud of it, yes.

The barn is around 60ft long and 20ft wide. It is probably 300 years 
old, a little younger than the house, and "unimproved" , so the original 
cobble floor is still there. We had pictures from many years ago so the 
doors, windows etc could all be rebuilt as original. One day someone 
will convert it to a bloody second home, but for us, just saving it as 
it is more important.

Chris W


On 19/03/2022 10:27, David Newbitt wrote:
> Now that really is something to be proud of. Knowledge, ability, pride 
> in good workmanship and saving something of demonstrable value from 
> terminal extinction.
> Brilliant Chris & Co.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Chris Woolf via Tech1
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2022 10:02 AM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Trumpeting
>
> On 18/03/2022 20:32, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Well, I never had a trumpet to blow, but would you like to see my organ?
>
> Not quite the same as Nick's, but "mine's bigger";}
>
> Done last year during lockdown. Just two of us - combined age of 141 - 
> and completed in 7 months.
>
> Chris W
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Mar 19 06:52:42 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:52:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Parents and Credits!
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What was it about working for the BBC that parents couldn?t see was a ?proper job?? My Dad died eight years before I left the Beeb, so he never saw me in a proper job. Mum, on the other hand, only took my work seriously 26 years after I left the BBC, when in 2006, I showed her my Emmy award for a CBS story we?d covered in Iran about Nuclear energy/weaponry. In that story was an interview with the then President Ahmadinejad. At the end of that interview ?my? cameraman and I were presented with gold Rolexes as a thankyou, which under CBS potential bribery rules, we weren?t allowed to accept. It was a sackable offence. For the staff cameraman it was a no-brainer, but me being freelance, I had only seconds to decide whether the value of the Rolex was greater than the number of CBS working days I would lose if I kept the watch! I did plenty of CBS 60 Minutes after that, but I?ll never be sure if I made the right choice.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 19 Mar 2022, at 11:03, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
My parents were hugely supportive of my chosen career, but I did incur my father?s wrath, when I failed to tell him what I was up to, in banging the central heating pipes to get an effect of a water hammer for a Steptoe, where Harold had installed a load of dodgy plumbing in their house. However, I got my folks audience tickets for that very episode, showed them round the control rooms, and Dad couldn?t stop talking about it in our local pub!

Agreed that end credits are run so fast and shrunk to become unreadable, but magically return to full screen when the production credits turn up!
But technician credits were few and far between in the 60?s.

Pat

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From: Garth Tucker via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 19 March 2022 07:53
To: tech1 ><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Parents and Credits!

My parents, who I loved deeply, couldn?t stand ?Brookside? but they did tune in to Channel 4 just see the credits in case I was on them.

Garth



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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Mar 19 08:51:31 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:51:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TWTWTW LP
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981CFB00143B9D9457339CEA7149@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Two of my very first memories of working at the BBC were on Crew 2, prior to going to Evesham. The first was being sent to Tech stores to get a black level clamp. The storeman had obviously heard that one before and said ?Sorry, they?re all out, you have to book them in advance?. Second was being sent to Millicent Martin?s dressing room to put a radio mic on her. You will remember what bulky gallumphing things they were, with two throat mics (no ECM?s then). I knocked and she called ?Come in?. And there she was in the skimpiest Bunny Outfit you?ve ever seen. I showed her the radio mic and blurted out awkwardly ?I?ve come to fit this on you, but I don?t know where to put it?. She laughed and said ?. er, no, I daren?t tell you what she said, but it had something to do with the shape of the transmitter. Naive little me went back up to the SCR, still with radio mic in hand, only to find the buggers had been listening to my burblings all the time!  Initiation test, or what! Even two years at Art School hadn?t prepared me for that.
That off my chest and hers, do any of you remember this LP of show excerpts? Produced by George Martin, no less in 1963. I still have it but sadly I don?t have anything to play it on now.
N.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 19 08:53:16 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:53:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
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I have read the story Pat but I thought that your BBC training would 
have stayed with you! Feature films are usually one shot at a time with 
all sorts of warnings that recording is about to start so it should be 
easy to keep out of shot, IF YOU WANTED TO! Cheers, Dave

On 19/03/2022 10:47, patheigham wrote:
>
> Dave ? read the story again! This was on a feature movie, a Bond, no less.
>
> Nothing to do with the BBC.
>
> There was one occasion at TVC where a camera was imported into Sound 
> Control, to show how a TV programme was made. We got paid 10 guineas 
> appearance fee, but as it was during our normal work, the Corp 
> deducted 3 guineas!
>
> Much later I was asked to record some memories for a DVD Extras for a 
> Dr.Who. Got ?100 for that and a chauffeured Mercedes to the recording 
> studio! Later still, an on-camera session for ?Out of the Unknown? but 
> the BFI pleaded skint, so no fee, but I think I got travel expenses.
>
> Not ever having had an agent, one had to blow one?s own trumpet as 
> much as possible.
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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>
> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *19 March 2022 10:05
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Professionalism
>
> Appearing in shot was a definite 'no-no' for any BBC operative! Even the
>
> end of your microphone was bad news! Unless it was part of the drama or
>
> sketch we all tried to avoid it, so bad on yer, Pat! Credits, on the
>
> other hand, were important for free-lancers' s CVs to get their next
>
> booking! Nowadays, you have to record them as they whizz through so fast
>
> as to be unreadable. I'm so grateful I retired before the Tories
>
> demolished the Beeb! Cheers, Dave.
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 19 09:11:58 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:11:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
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Dave, you still haven?t grasped it, have you.
READ THE STORY.
BBC has nothing to do with it.
Spare technicians were often used for background action, and paid, to satisfy Equity.
It wasn?t a case of trying to keep out of shot ? you really have missed the point.
(or are you just jealous?)

Pat

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From: dave.mdv
Sent: 19 March 2022 13:53
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Professionalism

I have read the story Pat but I thought that your BBC training would have stayed with you! Feature films are usually one shot at a time with all sorts of warnings that recording is about to start so it should be easy to keep out of shot, IF YOU WANTED TO! Cheers, Dave
On 19/03/2022 10:47, patheigham wrote:
Dave ? read the story again! This was on a feature movie, a Bond, no less.
Nothing to do with the BBC.
There was one occasion at TVC where a camera was imported into Sound Control, to show how a TV programme was made. We got paid 10 guineas appearance fee, but as it was during our normal work, the Corp deducted 3 guineas!
Much later I was asked to record some memories for a DVD Extras for a Dr.Who. Got ?100 for that and a chauffeured Mercedes to the recording studio! Later still, an on-camera session for ?Out of the Unknown? but the BFI pleaded skint, so no fee, but I think I got travel expenses.
Not ever having had an agent, one had to blow one?s own trumpet as much as possible.
Pat
?
Sent from Mail for Windows
?
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 19 March 2022 10:05
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
?
Appearing in shot was a definite 'no-no' for any BBC operative! Even the 
end of your microphone was bad news! Unless it was part of the drama or 
sketch we all tried to avoid it, so bad on yer, Pat! Credits, on the 
other hand, were important for free-lancers' s CVs to get their next 
booking! Nowadays, you have to record them as they whizz through so fast 
as to be unreadable. I'm so grateful I retired before the Tories 
demolished the Beeb! Cheers, Dave.
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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Sat Mar 19 09:27:57 2022
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:27:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TWTWTW LP
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Nick,
George Martin recorded some sketches from the TWTWTW LP prior to the TV
show, as detailed in his biography 'All You Need Is Ears' He wrote and
recorded the Tiltle Music 'By George' as well of course.

DT

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 13:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Two of my very first memories of working at the BBC were on Crew 2, prior
> to going to Evesham. The first was being sent to Tech stores to get a black
> level clamp. The storeman had obviously heard that one before and said
> ?Sorry, they?re all out, you have to book them in advance?. Second was
> being sent to Millicent Martin?s dressing room to put a radio mic on her.
> You will remember what bulky gallumphing things they were, with two throat
> mics (no ECM?s then). I knocked and she called ?Come in?. And there she was
> in the skimpiest Bunny Outfit you?ve ever seen. I showed her the radio mic
> and blurted out awkwardly ?I?ve come to fit this on you, but I don?t know
> where to put it?. She laughed and said ?. er, no, I daren?t tell you what
> she said, but it had something to do with the shape of the transmitter.
> Naive little me went back up to the SCR, still with radio mic in hand, only
> to find the buggers had been listening to my burblings all the time!
> Initiation test, or what! Even two years at Art School hadn?t prepared me
> for that.
> That off my chest and hers, do any of you remember this LP of show
> excerpts? Produced by George Martin, no less in 1963. I still have it but
> sadly I don?t have anything to play it on now.
> N.
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 19 09:31:16 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:31:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TWTWTW LP
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Nick, I still have a Technics turntable SME and Shure V15 and could make a CD for you? Have you checked in case there?s a commercial CD?
Amazon list a CD, but no info as to whether it?s the same material, and its offered at a ridiculous price.
The other favourite stores mission was for a ?peak white clipper?
Somehow I never got sucked into that.

Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 19 March 2022 13:51
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] TWTWTW LP

Two of my very first memories of working at the BBC were on Crew 2, prior to going to Evesham. The first was being sent to Tech stores to get a black level clamp. The storeman had obviously heard that one before and said ?Sorry, they?re all out, you have to book them in advance?. Second was being sent to Millicent Martin?s dressing room to put a radio mic on her. You will remember what bulky gallumphing things they were, with two throat mics (no ECM?s then). I knocked and she called ?Come in?. And there she was in the skimpiest Bunny Outfit you?ve ever seen. I showed her the radio mic and blurted out awkwardly ?I?ve come to fit this on you, but I don?t know where to put it?. She laughed and said ?. er, no, I daren?t tell you what she said, but it had something to do with the shape of the transmitter. Naive little me went back up to the SCR, still with radio mic in hand, only to find the buggers had been listening to my burblings all the time! ?Initiation test, or what! Even two years at Art School hadn?t prepared me for that. 
That off my chest and hers, do any of you remember this LP of show excerpts? Produced by George Martin, no less in 1963. I still have it but sadly I don?t have anything to play it on now.
N.


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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 09:39:45 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:39:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
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Gentleman,
I think the time has come for you to address remarks of this sort to each other privately and not to lower the tone of correspondence for the rest of us with public Yah-boo exchanges between you.
Ancient Chinese proverb has it, ?When blowing own trumpet be sure to make sweet music? and I would add to that, better still to insert one of those cork shaped things into the bell end first and fit it tightly. The more muted the better when it comes to discordant chimes.
Pat has such a fund of stories from worldwide experiences that far exceed my own and should take time to write them in a book while he still has the capacity to do it fluently. It might even make book of the week on Radio 4 for the interest or otherwise of a whole new audience,
Good luck with that,
Geoff

> On 19 Mar 2022, at 14:12, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dave, you still haven?t grasped it, have you.
> READ THE STORY.
> BBC has nothing to do with it.
> Spare technicians were often used for background action, and paid, to satisfy Equity.
> It wasn?t a case of trying to keep out of shot ? you really have missed the point.
> (or are you just jealous?)
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: dave.mdv
> Sent: 19 March 2022 13:53
> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Professionalism
>  
> I have read the story Pat but I thought that your BBC training would have stayed with you! Feature films are usually one shot at a time with all sorts of warnings that recording is about to start so it should be easy to keep out of shot, IF YOU WANTED TO! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 19/03/2022 10:47, patheigham wrote:
> Dave ? read the story again! This was on a feature movie, a Bond, no less.
> Nothing to do with the BBC.
> There was one occasion at TVC where a camera was imported into Sound Control, to show how a TV programme was made. We got paid 10 guineas appearance fee, but as it was during our normal work, the Corp deducted 3 guineas!
> Much later I was asked to record some memories for a DVD Extras for a Dr.Who. Got ?100 for that and a chauffeured Mercedes to the recording studio! Later still, an on-camera session for ?Out of the Unknown? but the BFI pleaded skint, so no fee, but I think I got travel expenses.
> Not ever having had an agent, one had to blow one?s own trumpet as much as possible.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: 19 March 2022 10:05
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
>  
> Appearing in shot was a definite 'no-no' for any BBC operative! Even the
> end of your microphone was bad news! Unless it was part of the drama or
> sketch we all tried to avoid it, so bad on yer, Pat! Credits, on the
> other hand, were important for free-lancers' s CVs to get their next
> booking! Nowadays, you have to record them as they whizz through so fast
> as to be unreadable. I'm so grateful I retired before the Tories
> demolished the Beeb! Cheers, Dave.
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Mar 19 09:55:57 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:55:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TWTWTW LP
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Nick - 

I had a similar experience at TVT (Crackerjack, I think) with (possibly) Anita Harris.  She obviously had done this before, it was a BK6, not radio, asked me to leave and then opened the door to make sure it was in the right place.

Not exactly a claim to fame!
Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 19 Mar 2022, at 14:27, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Nick,
> George Martin recorded some sketches from the TWTWTW LP prior to the TV show, as detailed in his biography 'All You Need Is Ears' He wrote and recorded the Tiltle Music 'By George' as well of course.
> 
> DT
> 
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 13:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Two of my very first memories of working at the BBC were on Crew 2, prior to going to Evesham. The first was being sent to Tech stores to get a black level clamp. The storeman had obviously heard that one before and said ?Sorry, they?re all out, you have to book them in advance?. Second was being sent to Millicent Martin?s dressing room to put a radio mic on her. You will remember what bulky gallumphing things they were, with two throat mics (no ECM?s then). I knocked and she called ?Come in?. And there she was in the skimpiest Bunny Outfit you?ve ever seen. I showed her the radio mic and blurted out awkwardly ?I?ve come to fit this on you, but I don?t know where to put it?. She laughed and said ?. er, no, I daren?t tell you what she said, but it had something to do with the shape of the transmitter. Naive little me went back up to the SCR, still with radio mic in hand, only to find the buggers had been listening to my burblings all the time!  Initiation test, or what! Even two years at Art School hadn?t prepared me for that.
> That off my chest and hers, do any of you remember this LP of show excerpts? Produced by George Martin, no less in 1963. I still have it but sadly I don?t have anything to play it on now.
> N.
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> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Mar 20 05:40:11 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 10:40:11 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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Back in the days of one of many management/staff wage disputes, an arbitration panel was considering the merits of the arguments. A brief r?sum? was published of the panel members credentials -  member of this, chairman of that, fellow of the other etc. The last listed member had no entry against his name, rapidly hand amended by one wag to state ?bereft of all distinction?.

The phrase came to mind when I was contemplating whether I could muster a contribution to this trumpeting thread. Just short of giving up in despair I thought of this.

>From childhood to the present I have suffered from wildly excessive and rapid adrenalin production. Never mind bungee jumping, dropping a pencil on the floor behind me when I?m relaxed or concentrating is all the excitement I need. As a schoolboy sprinter I was out of the blocks before anyone else woke up. I didn?t always win by a long chalk as I wasn?t a strong finisher but if the sprint could have been terminated mid distance I might well have been a sensation. Anticipation situations such as before interviews, races, counts down on ebay auctions and the like saw heart rates probably approaching danger levels. Believe me it?s a curse 90% of the time but it has also enabled the survival of a fair few pheasants, badgers, deer etc. down the years. Plus this:-

Standing at the bar of a pub near East Grinstead when I was in my late 30?s, my companion?s elbow knocked his own beer tankard off the counter. I caught it one-handed, contents intact, half way to the floor and returned it to the counter. I think I lacked the necessary nonchalance to carry it off like cool hand Luke but on balance I did well enough for the time the anecdote lasted amongst colleagues. Maybe not a trumpet, more of a penny whistle.

Dave Newbitt.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Mar 20 06:49:31 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 11:49:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
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Thank you, Geoff, for your supportive message.
I have enjoyed a fascinating and rewarding career, both in TV and Film, and this has given rise to myriad stories and experiences. Some of the tales that I have posted in the past were already typed up as possible chapters for a book which I doubt will ever get published  or even written! A good friend?s wife, who does audio typing, wants me to complete the masterpiece! I?m wary, though, as a well-respected sound mixer who worked on many of the Bonds, did get a book published, but there were a large number of remaindered (unsold) copies. 
Not much of my film career would have been possible were it not for the excellent training provided by the BBC. I often feel a bit guilty at deserting the ranks in the late sixties, but brought the BBC knowhow to securing the next job, fortunately meeting the right people at the right time. Five years after I left, I went back to have tea with some of my former colleagues. At that time, morale in the Tech-Ops Dept was at an all-time low, and Pete Rose, whose funeral in Portishead that Bob Foley, Hibou and Dave Mundy (I think) attended, said morosely, that he wished he?d followed me and left then. I had always wanted to work in the movie industry anyway, so when an opportunity arose, I had to go for it. I loved working on LE from the TVT, probably more than drama, although the variety of programmes was exciting ? but entering Pinewood studios knowing that one was working on the biggest picture in at that time was a thrill which never diminished.
As I mentioned in another posting, relating to supportive parents, my Dad installed a 16 x 8 ft shed in the garden for me. I made it into a home cinema, long before BBC days, or indeed prior to digital projection or large screen TV ? couple of pics attached. The film posters were provided by a neighbour who worked in publicity, and who organised a visit for me to the projection room of the Odeon, Leicester Square and a day to see a film set at MGM Borehamwood. Thus the seeds were sown!
After a while, when motor cars became more compelling, Dad won the shed back as a mechanical workshop and we used to maintain our two Triumph Heralds, side by side, on the grass outside.

Happy days! 
Pat







Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Geoffrey Hawkes
Sent: 19 March 2022 14:39
To: patheigham; Dave Mundy
Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Professionalism

Gentleman,
Pat has such a fund of stories from worldwide experiences that far exceed my own and should take time to write them in a book while he still has the capacity to do it fluently. It might even make book of the week on Radio 4 for the interest or otherwise of a whole new audience,
Good luck with that,
Geoff





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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 20 06:53:16 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 11:53:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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Well caught, Dave! Talking of trumpeting I have just been watching 'The 
Bill' on the drama channel, as we do every Sunday morning, and there was 
a Sound credit for Dave Plowman (previously 'Angus' in a former life!) 
Cheers, Dave

On 20/03/2022 10:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Back in the days of one of many management/staff wage disputes, an 
> arbitration panel was considering the merits of the arguments. A brief 
> r?sum? was published of the panel members credentials -? member of 
> this, chairman of that, fellow of the other etc. The last listed 
> member had no entry against his name, rapidly hand amended by one wag 
> to state ?bereft of all distinction?.
> The phrase came to mind when I was contemplating whether I could 
> muster a contribution to this trumpeting thread. Just short of giving 
> up in despair I thought of this.
> From childhood to the present I have suffered from wildly excessive 
> and rapid adrenalin production. Never mind bungee jumping, dropping a 
> pencil on the floor behind me when I?m relaxed or concentrating is all 
> the excitement I need. As a schoolboy sprinter I was out of the blocks 
> before anyone else woke up. I didn?t always win by a long chalk as I 
> wasn?t a strong finisher but if the sprint could have been terminated 
> mid distance I might well have been a sensation. Anticipation 
> situations such as before interviews, races, counts down on ebay 
> auctions and the like saw heart rates probably approaching danger 
> levels. Believe me it?s a curse 90% of the time but it has also 
> enabled the survival of a fair few pheasants, badgers, deer etc. down 
> the years. Plus this:-
> Standing at the bar of a pub near East Grinstead when I was in my late 
> 30?s, my companion?s elbow knocked his own beer tankard off the 
> counter. I caught it one-handed, contents intact, half way to the 
> floor and returned it to the counter. I think I lacked the necessary 
> nonchalance to carry it off like cool hand Luke but on balance I did 
> well enough for the time the anecdote lasted amongst colleagues. Maybe 
> not a trumpet, more of a penny whistle.
> Dave Newbitt.
>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Mar 20 07:06:11 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 12:06:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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My 5 minutes of fame. Which lasted for about 25 years from my first 
credit on The Bill to the last. Oddly, I watched some early half hour 
eps on catchup, and they cut off the credits before the tech ones. But 
they were an oddity today. Pure police trivia, mainly. Now most are Line 
of Duty, etc. Or rather were until Paul Marquess took over and 
introduced plenty unbelievable story lines.

On 20/03/2022 11:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Well caught, Dave! Talking of trumpeting I have just been watching 
> 'The Bill' on the drama channel, as we do every Sunday morning, and 
> there was a Sound credit for Dave Plowman (previously 'Angus' in a 
> former life!) Cheers, Dave
>
> On 20/03/2022 10:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Back in the days of one of many management/staff wage disputes, an 
>> arbitration panel was considering the merits of the arguments. A 
>> brief r?sum? was published of the panel members credentials -? member 
>> of this, chairman of that, fellow of the other etc. The last listed 
>> member had no entry against his name, rapidly hand amended by one wag 
>> to state ?bereft of all distinction?.
>> The phrase came to mind when I was contemplating whether I could 
>> muster a contribution to this trumpeting thread. Just short of giving 
>> up in despair I thought of this.
>> From childhood to the present I have suffered from wildly excessive 
>> and rapid adrenalin production. Never mind bungee jumping, dropping a 
>> pencil on the floor behind me when I?m relaxed or concentrating is 
>> all the excitement I need. As a schoolboy sprinter I was out of the 
>> blocks before anyone else woke up. I didn?t always win by a long 
>> chalk as I wasn?t a strong finisher but if the sprint could have been 
>> terminated mid distance I might well have been a sensation. 
>> Anticipation situations such as before interviews, races, counts down 
>> on ebay auctions and the like saw heart rates probably approaching 
>> danger levels. Believe me it?s a curse 90% of the time but it has 
>> also enabled the survival of a fair few pheasants, badgers, deer etc. 
>> down the years. Plus this:-
>> Standing at the bar of a pub near East Grinstead when I was in my 
>> late 30?s, my companion?s elbow knocked his own beer tankard off the 
>> counter. I caught it one-handed, contents intact, half way to the 
>> floor and returned it to the counter. I think I lacked the necessary 
>> nonchalance to carry it off like cool hand Luke but on balance I did 
>> well enough for the time the anecdote lasted amongst colleagues. 
>> Maybe not a trumpet, more of a penny whistle.
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Mar 20 08:44:53 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:44:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
In-Reply-To: <4702564d-233f-ef03-45c4-8e7644198608@davesound.co.uk>
References: <4702564d-233f-ef03-45c4-8e7644198608@davesound.co.uk>
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As the old proverb has it - half a pint of beer in the hand is worth more than two pints on the floor!

Did you keep wicket at school, Dave?

Mike G

> On 20 Mar 2022, at 12:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My 5 minutes of fame. Which lasted for about 25 years from my first credit on The Bill to the last. Oddly, I watched some early half hour eps on catchup, and they cut off the credits before the tech ones. But they were an oddity today. Pure police trivia, mainly. Now most are Line of Duty, etc. Or rather were until Paul Marquess took over and introduced plenty unbelievable story lines.
> 
> On 20/03/2022 11:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> Well caught, Dave! Talking of trumpeting I have just been watching 'The Bill' on the drama channel, as we do every Sunday morning, and there was a Sound credit for Dave Plowman (previously 'Angus' in a former life!) Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> On 20/03/2022 10:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Back in the days of one of many management/staff wage disputes, an arbitration panel was considering the merits of the arguments. A brief r?sum? was published of the panel members credentials -  member of this, chairman of that, fellow of the other etc. The last listed member had no entry against his name, rapidly hand amended by one wag to state ?bereft of all distinction?.
>>>  
>>> The phrase came to mind when I was contemplating whether I could muster a contribution to this trumpeting thread. Just short of giving up in despair I thought of this.
>>>  
>>> From childhood to the present I have suffered from wildly excessive and rapid adrenalin production. Never mind bungee jumping, dropping a pencil on the floor behind me when I?m relaxed or concentrating is all the excitement I need. As a schoolboy sprinter I was out of the blocks before anyone else woke up. I didn?t always win by a long chalk as I wasn?t a strong finisher but if the sprint could have been terminated mid distance I might well have been a sensation. Anticipation situations such as before interviews, races, counts down on ebay auctions and the like saw heart rates probably approaching danger levels. Believe me it?s a curse 90% of the time but it has also enabled the survival of a fair few pheasants, badgers, deer etc. down the years. Plus this:-
>>>  
>>> Standing at the bar of a pub near East Grinstead when I was in my late 30?s, my companion?s elbow knocked his own beer tankard off the counter. I caught it one-handed, contents intact, half way to the floor and returned it to the counter. I think I lacked the necessary nonchalance to carry it off like cool hand Luke but on balance I did well enough for the time the anecdote lasted amongst colleagues. Maybe not a trumpet, more of a penny whistle.
>>>  
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Mar 20 08:50:19 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:50:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Trumpeting
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Pat?s remembered another story!! Of my Gram Op days.
See attachment.

Pat


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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 20 March 2022 10:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Trumpeting

Back in the days of one of many management/staff wage disputes, an arbitration panel was considering the merits of the arguments. A brief r?sum? was published of the panel members credentials -? member of this, chairman of that, fellow of the other etc. The last listed member had no entry against his name, rapidly hand amended by one wag to state ?bereft of all distinction?.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 20 09:50:06 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 14:50:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Professionalism
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My apologies, Pat, you hadn't made it clear that you were being paid to 
act in a Bond film! Now that is? something worth 'trumpeting'! (even as 
an NSA!) Well done!! Cheers, Dave

On 19/03/2022 14:11, patheigham wrote:
>
> Dave, you still haven?t grasped it, have you.
>
> READ THE STORY.
>
> BBC has nothing to do with it.
>
> Spare technicians were often used for background action, and paid, to 
> satisfy Equity.
>
> It wasn?t a case of trying to keep out of shot ? you really have 
> missed the point.
>
> (or are you just jealous?)
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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>
> *From: *dave.mdv <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
> *Sent: *19 March 2022 13:53
> *To: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Professionalism
>
> I have read the story Pat but I thought that your BBC training would 
> have stayed with you! Feature films are usually one shot at a time 
> with all sorts of warnings that recording is about to start so it 
> should be easy to keep out of shot, IF YOU WANTED TO! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 19/03/2022 10:47, patheigham wrote:
>
>     Dave ? read the story again! This was on a feature movie, a Bond,
>     no less.
>
>     Nothing to do with the BBC.
>
>     There was one occasion at TVC where a camera was imported into
>     Sound Control, to show how a TV programme was made. We got paid 10
>     guineas appearance fee, but as it was during our normal work, the
>     Corp deducted 3 guineas!
>
>     Much later I was asked to record some memories for a DVD Extras
>     for a Dr.Who. Got ?100 for that and a chauffeured Mercedes to the
>     recording studio! Later still, an on-camera session for ?Out of
>     the Unknown? but the BFI pleaded skint, so no fee, but I think I
>     got travel expenses.
>
>     Not ever having had an agent, one had to blow one?s own trumpet as
>     much as possible.
>
>     Pat
>
>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>     for Windows
>
>     *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Sent: *19 March 2022 10:05
>     *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     *Subject: *[Tech1] Professionalism
>
>     Appearing in shot was a definite 'no-no' for any BBC operative!
>     Even the
>
>     end of your microphone was bad news! Unless it was part of the
>     drama or
>
>     sketch we all tried to avoid it, so bad on yer, Pat! Credits, on the
>
>     other hand, were important for free-lancers' s CVs to get their next
>
>     booking! Nowadays, you have to record them as they whizz through
>     so fast
>
>     as to be unreadable. I'm so grateful I retired before the Tories
>
>     demolished the Beeb! Cheers, Dave.
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 07:39:01 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Facebook post
Message-ID: <bf8f3e43-3142-be43-05e8-6eb60c77b5f3@gmail.com>

The other day Peter Neill passed on a shot of the Russian embassy in 
Lisbon being lit up in blue and yellow.? I, and probably lots of other 
people, passed it on to some London lighting companies.? Here is the 
result on TikTok today. It's actually a video, with a van parked across 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Mar 21 07:58:47 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:58:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Facebook post
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Nice one!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 21 Mar 2022, at 12:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The other day Peter Neill passed on a shot of the Russian embassy in Lisbon being lit up in blue and yellow.  I, and probably lots of other people, passed it on to some London lighting companies.  Here is the result on TikTok today. It's actually a video, with a van parked across the road on the pavement. The police aren't rushing to do anything
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 04:08:43 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:08:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
Message-ID: <cbfc3ef8-0a6d-23d4-3c83-384350d33bb5@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I suddenly sat bolt upright on the sofa:? I couldn't believe my eyes!!!

There in the middle of the screen was a MOLE CRANE!

The shot was the nearly last but one shot of "Landscapers" (Sky 
Atlantic/Now), telling the story of Susan and Christopher who murdered 
Susan's parents and buried the bodies in the parents' garden. The shot 
was of a film set in the back lot of a studio.

The two protagonists were fantasists, and not only did? they collect 
film memorabilia, they loved the old movies, especially Westerns, and 
especially those with Gary Cooper and those made in the fifties - the 
couple were going to ride to the distant (sunset) as the cowboys used to 
do of old....

And I thought ... why a MOLE?? And then I? thought that someone had done 
some real research - the MOLE was first manufactured in 1949 
(Houston-Fearless) (and also manufactured by Mole-Richardson under 
licence) and so was right for the fifties Western sequence. So full 
marks for research.

But then, but then...




The Mole crane in this picture is a sort of Television Version of the 
crane - it has proper wheels, there is the steering wheel at the back.? 
It is not running on tracks, but on a platform - and is being pushed, 
rather than running off the motor....


Sorry, sound guys - you'll have to work out yourselves what boom is 
being used!!


"Landscapers" was a very interesting production - it repeatedly broke 
the fourth wall - characters were seen rushing from set to set to 
present their side of the story.? This particular scene starts with 
Susan in her cell - after the verdict - and dreams about riding out as 
in a Western... she gets up, walks towards what would be the cell wall, 
but there is no wall, she walks straight out into the back lot.......


(Apologies: the sunset is not a sunset, but a reflection of an uplighter 
which I did not notice until now...)


Best regard, keep safe....


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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Mar 22 04:36:55 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:36:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
In-Reply-To: <cbfc3ef8-0a6d-23d4-3c83-384350d33bb5@gmail.com>
References: <cbfc3ef8-0a6d-23d4-3c83-384350d33bb5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862464ED-5C57-4440-9B89-BDFFA8B6602E@me.com>

There was a bit more historical television gear on TV last night on BBC Four, The Golden Age of Steam Railways.  About halfway through was a sequence showing two B&W OB cameras doing a live broadcast on board a narrow gauge train.  The gear looked to be circa early 1960s, maybe a little earlier, but I didn?t get an opportunity to look in detail.

I just happened to catch that part of it in the twenty second interval between first switching the TV on and being able to change to another channel, so I don?t know the context, or how much had been shown before I noticed the shots of the cameras with lens turrets.

I?ll try to take a look on iPlayer, but won?t be able to do that for a few days. Others might like to take a look before then.

Alan


> On 22 Mar 2022, at 09:09, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi all,
> 
> I suddenly sat bolt upright on the sofa:  I couldn't believe my eyes!!!
> 
> There in the middle of the screen was a MOLE CRANE!
> 
> The shot was the nearly last but one shot of "Landscapers" (Sky Atlantic/Now), telling the story of Susan and Christopher who murdered Susan's parents and buried the bodies in the parents' garden. The shot was of a film set in the back lot of a studio.  
> 
> The two protagonists were fantasists, and not only did  they collect film memorabilia, they loved the old movies, especially Westerns, and especially those with Gary Cooper and those made in the fifties - the couple were going to ride to the distant (sunset) as the cowboys used to do of old....
> 
> And I thought ... why a MOLE?  And then I  thought that someone had done some real research - the MOLE was first manufactured in 1949 (Houston-Fearless) (and also manufactured by Mole-Richardson under licence) and so was right for the fifties Western sequence. So full marks for research.
> 
> But then, but then...
> 
> <NNCpqIpBBEHSozqO.png>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> <c2ficeVyBemS6sMU.png>
> 
> 
> The Mole crane in this picture is a sort of Television Version of the crane - it has proper wheels, there is the steering wheel at the back.  It is not running on tracks, but on a platform - and is being pushed, rather than running off the motor....
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, sound guys - you'll have to work out yourselves what boom is being used!!
> 
> 
> 
> "Landscapers" was a very interesting production - it repeatedly broke the fourth wall - characters were seen rushing from set to set to present their side of the story.  This particular scene starts with Susan in her cell - after the verdict - and dreams about riding out as in a Western... she gets up, walks towards what would be the cell wall, but there is no wall, she walks straight out into the back lot.......
> 
> 
> 
> (Apologies: the sunset is not a sunset, but a reflection of an uplighter which I did not notice until now...)
> 
> 
> 
> Best regard, keep safe....
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> =======
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 04:49:49 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:49:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
In-Reply-To: <862464ED-5C57-4440-9B89-BDFFA8B6602E@me.com>
References: <cbfc3ef8-0a6d-23d4-3c83-384350d33bb5@gmail.com>
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Hi Alan,

On 22/03/2022 09:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> . ?About halfway through was a sequence showing two B&W OB cameras 
> doing a live broadcast on board a narrow gauge train. 

As usual, Bernie's Tech Ops web site has the answer

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/talyllyn-railway-ob-summer-1957/

I hope that is the one you saw!

There may be some more footage that we could add to the page.? It may 
well be worth a look!

Best regards, Alec

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 22 04:58:09 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:58:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
In-Reply-To: <cbfc3ef8-0a6d-23d4-3c83-384350d33bb5@gmail.com>
References: <cbfc3ef8-0a6d-23d4-3c83-384350d33bb5@gmail.com>
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At first I thought you were referring to the furry, tunnelling creature!
Reminded me of an occasion, when a friend and I went to walk around Sheffield Park gardens, an NT property in Sussex. Sitting in an arbour, I idly wondered if either of us have seen a molehill under construction. Just 10 feet in front of us, the lawn suddenly erupted, on cue!
No sign of the actual animal, though.
Pat

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From: Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 22 March 2022 09:09
To: Tech Ops
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...

Hi all,
I suddenly sat bolt upright on the sofa:? I couldn't believe my eyes!!!
There in the middle of the screen was a MOLE CRANE!



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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Mar 22 05:01:02 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:01:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
In-Reply-To: <cbfc3ef8-0a6d-23d4-3c83-384350d33bb5@gmail.com>
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Mole boom? (says a a cameraman!). I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 22 Mar 2022, at 09:08, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I suddenly sat bolt upright on the sofa:  I couldn't believe my eyes!!!
> 
> There in the middle of the screen was a MOLE CRANE!
> 
> The shot was the nearly last but one shot of "Landscapers" (Sky Atlantic/Now), telling the story of Susan and Christopher who murdered Susan's parents and buried the bodies in the parents' garden. The shot was of a film set in the back lot of a studio.  
> 
> The two protagonists were fantasists, and not only did  they collect film memorabilia, they loved the old movies, especially Westerns, and especially those with Gary Cooper and those made in the fifties - the couple were going to ride to the distant (sunset) as the cowboys used to do of old....
> 
> And I thought ... why a MOLE?  And then I  thought that someone had done some real research - the MOLE was first manufactured in 1949 (Houston-Fearless) (and also manufactured by Mole-Richardson under licence) and so was right for the fifties Western sequence. So full marks for research.
> 
> But then, but then...
> 
> <NNCpqIpBBEHSozqO.png>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> <c2ficeVyBemS6sMU.png>
> 
> 
> The Mole crane in this picture is a sort of Television Version of the crane - it has proper wheels, there is the steering wheel at the back.  It is not running on tracks, but on a platform - and is being pushed, rather than running off the motor....
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, sound guys - you'll have to work out yourselves what boom is being used!!
> 
> 
> 
> "Landscapers" was a very interesting production - it repeatedly broke the fourth wall - characters were seen rushing from set to set to present their side of the story.  This particular scene starts with Susan in her cell - after the verdict - and dreams about riding out as in a Western... she gets up, walks towards what would be the cell wall, but there is no wall, she walks straight out into the back lot.......
> 
> 
> 
> (Apologies: the sunset is not a sunset, but a reflection of an uplighter which I did not notice until now...)
> 
> 
> 
> Best regard, keep safe....
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> =======
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> 
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 05:12:53 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:12:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
In-Reply-To: <81D6DE96-8070-489D-B4A2-E3A1AE403F0F@icloud.com>
References: <cbfc3ef8-0a6d-23d4-3c83-384350d33bb5@gmail.com>
	<81D6DE96-8070-489D-B4A2-E3A1AE403F0F@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <284de1c9-a93d-834b-6516-f95d49f64968@gmail.com>

Hi

On 22/03/2022 10:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
> I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended.

But not many weights in the extended bucket as far as I can see1


Wouldn't have though a single Panavision camera (??) would weigh that 
much more than a 4.5 inch IO??


Best regards,??? Alec

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 05:16:23 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:16:23 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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I think this was a real train though!
Not sure of the show but big enough for a full racks position.

Mike

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 9:36 AM
To: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...

There was a bit more historical television gear on TV last night on BBC Four, The Golden Age of Steam Railways.  About halfway through was a sequence showing two B&W OB cameras doing a live broadcast on board a narrow gauge train.  The gear looked to be circa early 1960s, maybe a little earlier, but I didn?t get an opportunity to look in detail.

I just happened to catch that part of it in the twenty second interval between first switching the TV on and being able to change to another channel, so I don?t know the context, or how much had been shown before I noticed the shots of the cameras with lens turrets.

I?ll try to take a look on iPlayer, but won?t be able to do that for a few days. Others might like to take a look before then.

Alan
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Mar 22 05:18:20 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:18:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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Should have had a focus puller but the TV version had no facility for the extra seat.  IIRC the BBC?s Nike had a focus puller seat availble from stores. We used it on the Rod McKuen show in TC6 once to have the singer foreground wile we tracked along the dancers in the background. 
? 
Graeme Wall
The oldest swinger in town


> On 22 Mar 2022, at 10:12, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> On 22/03/2022 10:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended.
> But not many weights in the extended bucket as far as I can see1
> 
> <YmW7Zr0WQvXcNOzV.png>
> 
> 
> 
> Wouldn't have though a single Panavision camera (??) would weigh that much more than a 4.5 inch IO??
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,    Alec
> 
> -- 
> =======
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> 
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
> 



From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 05:27:25 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:27:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] I've been a naughty boy.
Message-ID: <779fc173-806a-0cbc-acef-4a0c49f0424a@davesound.co.uk>

And my punishment was going on a Speed Awareness course. About 3 hours 
on Zoom. So less disruptive than have to attend a bricks and mortar one.

Not as boring as I'd expected, and reminded me of forgotten things in 
the Highway Code.

Some of the tips to avoid speeding were interesting. Use your cruise 
control. Sadly mine doesn't work at the speed limit I exceeded.

Next was to use a lower gear than normal. The extra noise from the 
engine will remind you of the speed. Which is certainly true.

But the speed limit I broke was introduced to not only make things 
safer, but reduce emissions. And buzzing along in a low gear is going to 
make emissions worse. Although the instructor denied this.

My speed BTW was 26 mph.



From doug at puddifoot.me  Tue Mar 22 06:35:22 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:35:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
Message-ID: <j4ukxuo6x7igdigfbwd265l6.1647948231660@email.android.com>

An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist  sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the mole tracked. When the first number was over the action moved to the side set for the second song shot on two cameras, while the rest of the crew removed the extension, unloaded two sets of lead weights, pushed the bucket back in, and reloaded it. All in about three minutes. The sort of mad thing you did in those days.

PS the full name of the Mole was the Motion Picture Research Council Camera Crane, no wonder we called it a Mole.

Doug

On 22 March 2022, at 10:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Hi

On 22/03/2022 10:01, Graeme Wall wrote:

I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended. 

But not many weights in the extended bucket as far as I can see1

?


Wouldn't have though a single Panavision camera (??) would weigh that much more than a 4.5 inch IO??


Best regards,??? Alec

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Mar 22 06:37:32 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:37:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
In-Reply-To: <j4ukxuo6x7igdigfbwd265l6.1647948231660@email.android.com>
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IIRC the tech recs always referred to the MPRC crane
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 22 Mar 2022, at 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist  sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the mole tracked. When the first number was over the action moved to the side set for the second song shot on two cameras, while the rest of the crew removed the extension, unloaded two sets of lead weights, pushed the bucket back in, and reloaded it. All in about three minutes. The sort of mad thing you did in those days.
> 
> PS the full name of the Mole was the Motion Picture Research Council Camera Crane, no wonder we called it a Mole.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> On 22 March 2022, at 10:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> On 22/03/2022 10:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended.
> But not many weights in the extended bucket as far as I can see1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wouldn't have though a single Panavision camera (??) would weigh that much more than a 4.5 inch IO??
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,    Alec
> 
> -- 
> =======
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> 
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 07:55:50 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:55:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
In-Reply-To: <j4ukxuo6x7igdigfbwd265l6.1647948231660@email.android.com>
References: <j4ukxuo6x7igdigfbwd265l6.1647948231660@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <3aa0d206-0b7d-4304-f6e7-fc8c53a5ce61@chriswoolf.co.uk>

The so-called "flying chair".

I dimly remember doing a play that involved that arrangement - must have 
been somewhere in TC - but I can't remember any other details, other 
than that it took a lot of swinging;}

Chris W


On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>
> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV 
> Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on 
> the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist? 
> sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the mole 
> tracked. When the first number was over the action moved to the side 
> set for the second song shot on two cameras, while the rest of the 
> crew removed the extension, unloaded two sets of lead weights, pushed 
> the bucket back in, and reloaded it. All in about three minutes. The 
> sort of mad thing you did in those days.
>
> PS the full name of the Mole was the Motion Picture Research Council 
> Camera Crane, no wonder we called it a Mole.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 22 March 2022, at 10:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> On 22/03/2022 10:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended.
>
> But not many weights in the extended bucket as far as I can see1
>
>
> Wouldn't have though a single Panavision camera (??) would weigh that 
> much more than a 4.5 inch IO??
>
>
> Best regards,??? Alec
>
> -- 
> =======
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 07:58:00 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:58:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
In-Reply-To: <3aa0d206-0b7d-4304-f6e7-fc8c53a5ce61@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <j4ukxuo6x7igdigfbwd265l6.1647948231660@email.android.com>
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Thought it was called a Bosun Chair?

On 22/03/2022 12:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> The so-called "flying chair".
>
> I dimly remember doing a play that involved that arrangement - must 
> have been somewhere in TC - but I can't remember any other details, 
> other than that it took a lot of swinging;}
>
> Chris W
>
>
> On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV 
>> Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on 
>> the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist? 
>> sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the mole 
>> tracked. When the first number was over the action moved to the side 
>> set for the second song shot on two cameras, while the rest of the 
>> crew removed the extension, unloaded two sets of lead weights, pushed 
>> the bucket back in, and reloaded it. All in about three minutes. The 
>> sort of mad thing you did in those days.
>>
>> PS the full name of the Mole was the Motion Picture Research Council 
>> Camera Crane, no wonder we called it a Mole.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 March 2022, at 10:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> On 22/03/2022 10:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended.
>>
>> But not many weights in the extended bucket as far as I can see1
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't have though a single Panavision camera (??) would weigh that 
>> much more than a 4.5 inch IO??
>>
>>
>> Best regards,??? Alec
>>
>> -- 
>> =======
>>
>> Alec Bray
>>
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> Mob:  07789 561 346
>> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 08:00:26 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:00:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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Nah! A Bosun's chair is the rope seat affair for transferring people 
between ships at sea.

Chris W


On 22/03/2022 12:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Thought it was called a Bosun Chair?
>
> On 22/03/2022 12:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> The so-called "flying chair".
>>
>> I dimly remember doing a play that involved that arrangement - must 
>> have been somewhere in TC - but I can't remember any other details, 
>> other than that it took a lot of swinging;}
>>
>> Chris W
>>
>>
>> On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the 
>>> TV Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension 
>>> on the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the 
>>> artist? sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the 
>>> mole tracked. When the first number was over the action moved to the 
>>> side set for the second song shot on two cameras, while the rest of 
>>> the crew removed the extension, unloaded two sets of lead weights, 
>>> pushed the bucket back in, and reloaded it. All in about three 
>>> minutes. The sort of mad thing you did in those days.
>>>
>>> PS the full name of the Mole was the Motion Picture Research Council 
>>> Camera Crane, no wonder we called it a Mole.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 March 2022, at 10:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On 22/03/2022 10:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended.
>>>
>>> But not many weights in the extended bucket as far as I can see1
>>>
>>>
>>> Wouldn't have though a single Panavision camera (??) would weigh 
>>> that much more than a 4.5 inch IO??
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,??? Alec
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> =======
>>>
>>> Alec Bray
>>>
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> Mob:  07789 561 346
>>> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>>>
>>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 22 08:02:33 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:02:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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That trick was used in ?Singin? In The Rain? A good few years earlier!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist? sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the mole tracked. 



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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 08:10:46 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:10:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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I know what a real one is. But pretty certain this fitting on the front 
of a Mole was called it too.

Well remember being impressed with a shot using it in TVT. On stage 
band, with one of the musos in the front line on it. Started out as just 
a shot of the band - until to Mole tracked back.

On 22/03/2022 13:00, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Nah! A Bosun's chair is the rope seat affair for transferring people 
> between ships at sea.
>
> Chris W
>
>
> On 22/03/2022 12:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Thought it was called a Bosun Chair?
>>
>> On 22/03/2022 12:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> The so-called "flying chair".
>>>
>>> I dimly remember doing a play that involved that arrangement - must 
>>> have been somewhere in TC - but I can't remember any other details, 
>>> other than that it took a lot of swinging;}
>>>
>>> Chris W
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the 
>>>> TV Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an 
>>>> extension on the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on 
>>>> which the artist sat. The effect was that only the background moved 
>>>> when the mole tracked. When the first number was over the action 
>>>> moved to the side set for the second song shot on two cameras, 
>>>> while the rest of the crew removed the extension, unloaded two sets 
>>>> of lead weights, pushed the bucket back in, and reloaded it. All in 
>>>> about three minutes. The sort of mad thing you did in those days.
>>>>
>>>> PS the full name of the Mole was the Motion Picture Research 
>>>> Council Camera Crane, no wonder we called it a Mole.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22 March 2022, at 10:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> On 22/03/2022 10:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> I note they?ve got the crane column pumped up and the bucket extended.
>>>>
>>>> But not many weights in the extended bucket as far as I can see1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't have though a single Panavision camera (??) would weigh 
>>>> that much more than a 4.5 inch IO??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,??? Alec
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> =======
>>>>
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>>
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> Mob:  07789 561 346
>>>> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 22 08:22:29 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:22:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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Or for hauling the lightweight wife of a sailing friend up the mast, when one of the halliards ran right through the pulley at the top!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
Sent: 22 March 2022 13:00
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...

Nah! A Bosun's chair is the rope seat affair for transferring people between ships at sea.
Chris W

On 22/03/2022 12:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
Thought it was called a Bosun Chair?



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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Tue Mar 22 08:35:09 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:35:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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Also Sammy Davis Jr show - this time it was the drummer playing bongos who was in the chair.

About 35 mins in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uFA6Gh_wsw


Peter Neill


> On 22 Mar 2022, at 13:02, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> That trick was used in ?Singin? In The Rain? A good few years earlier!
> Pat
>  
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> On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist  sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the mole tracked. 
>  
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 14:55:11 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:55:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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AnyonecremembervthecBongo Trolley used with a Mole?
Geoff F

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 13:03, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> That trick was used in ?Singin? In The Rain? A good few years earlier!
>
> Pat
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> On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
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> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV
> Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on the
> front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist  sat. The
> effect was that only the background moved when the mole tracked.
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Tue Mar 22 15:14:07 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 20:14:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uFA6Gh_wsw

About 35 mins in

Peter Neill

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 22 Mar 2022, at 19:55, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> AnyonecremembervthecBongo Trolley used with a Mole? 
> Geoff F
> 
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 13:03, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> That trick was used in ?Singin? In The Rain? A good few years earlier!
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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>> 
>> On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist  sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the mole tracked.
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Tue Mar 22 16:17:14 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 21:17:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Mole in Daylight...
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There were two devices, one was attached but stayed on the ground, and the later one could fly. I never saw them in action, although Ron described them both. I guess Bongo Trolley and Flying Chair would apply respectively. There were later ventures with a  Nike crane and artists stepping off. The craning brake was good enough to cope with that until the lock pin was inserted or some one else stepped on.  We tested the brake by two of us heavies jumping up and hanging on the camera platform to see if the brake would slip. I didn?t, and that was twice the expected change of weight. 

Peter Fox

On 22 Mar 2022, at 20:14, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uFA6Gh_wsw

About 35 mins in

Peter Neill

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 22 Mar 2022, at 19:55, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> AnyonecremembervthecBongo Trolley used with a Mole? 
> Geoff F
> 
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 13:03, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> That trick was used in ?Singin? In The Rain? A good few years earlier!
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 22/03/2022 11:35, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> An extended bucket story. A live Saturday evening LE show from the TV Theatre, may have been Val Doonican. We started with an extension on the front of the Mole. A metal frame with seat on which the artist  sat. The effect was that only the background moved when the mole tracked.
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Wed Mar 23 07:16:39 2022
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:16:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Nick Wheeler
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Mar 23 08:37:01 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 13:37:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nick Wheeler
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I don?t know that Nick, Nick, but I?m wondering if Derek Wheeler might have had a son. Derek was originally at the Beeb, but I know him best from his LWT days, and countless other freelance jobs we did together. I have Derek?s contact info if you think there might be a connection.
Of course, if Derek has a son who does sound, that could explain why I haven?t worked with or for him for some time. What other explanation could there possibly be?
Cheers,
Nick (you guessed it - the other one!)

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 23 Mar 2022, at 12:17, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Dear All,

Is Nick on this forum or anyone know him from years gone by? I think his name is familiar, but not too sure.

He was an audio man and yesterday I met his son here in Dubai at an audio company of all places!

Thanks all.

With best wishes,

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Mar 23 10:18:40 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:18:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nick Wheeler
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At the back of my mind, I'd remembered Derek went over to production at 
one point?

On 23/03/2022 13:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I don?t know that Nick, Nick, but I?m wondering if Derek Wheeler might 
> have had a son. Derek was originally at the Beeb, but I know him best 
> from his LWT days, and countless other freelance jobs we did together. 
> I have Derek?s contact info if you think there might be a connection.
> Of course, if Derek has a son who does sound, that could explain why I 
> haven?t worked with or for him for some time. What other explanation 
> could there possibly be?
> Cheers,
> Nick (you guessed it - the other one!)
>
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
>> On 23 Mar 2022, at 12:17, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Is Nick on this forum or anyone know him from years gone by? I think 
>> his name is familiar, but not too sure.
>>
>> He was an audio man and yesterday I met his son here in Dubai at an 
>> audio company of all places!
>>
>> Thanks all.
>> With best wishes,
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Mar 23 13:44:55 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 18:44:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nick Wheeler
In-Reply-To: <2b86e200-2e72-c3b4-6cb7-491c3b9abd58@davesound.co.uk>
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That?s right, he did. Then left and set up his own company, Visability Productions.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 23 Mar 2022, at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

At the back of my mind, I'd remembered Derek went over to production at one point?

On 23/03/2022 13:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
I don?t know that Nick, Nick, but I?m wondering if Derek Wheeler might have had a son. Derek was originally at the Beeb, but I know him best from his LWT days, and countless other freelance jobs we did together. I have Derek?s contact info if you think there might be a connection.
Of course, if Derek has a son who does sound, that could explain why I haven?t worked with or for him for some time. What other explanation could there possibly be?
Cheers,
Nick (you guessed it - the other one!)

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 23 Mar 2022, at 12:17, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Dear All,

Is Nick on this forum or anyone know him from years gone by? I think his name is familiar, but not too sure.

He was an audio man and yesterday I met his son here in Dubai at an audio company of all places!

Thanks all.

With best wishes,

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 23 14:22:00 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:22:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
Message-ID: <3f5fdf42-24ad-6cfc-bd73-c5480366fe26@btinternet.com>

We are having a fourth go at getting a will to suit all of our family, 
which has changed a lot over the years. Today we had a meeting with a 
very young nice man who had been with the firm for 3 years. We said what 
we wanted and we wanted it done by Friday! Only because my wife has this 
fear that if we drive down to Somerset for Mother's Day we will both be 
killed and the third (totally wrong will) will still be in force! He 
sent us the agreement documents and the terms of service and we signed 
them and I photocopied them all and sent them back, he also wanted a 
copy of my driving licence with my address on and also a list of all our 
children and grandchildren's details like d.o.b and addresses. I sent 
all off those this afternoon and he will prepare the documents and? we 
will call in on Friday a.m. to sign them on the way to Somerset! Hows 
that for productivity? I feel sorry for OAPs without a PC as you could 
never do that in that time scale. BTW, my young man's fees are ?200/hour 
and the partner overlooking the deal is on ?400/hour! Compare that with 
the new P&O workforce on ?2/hour! Makes you think that there is some 
inequality in this great country of ours! Cheers, Dave



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 23 14:41:46 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:41:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Racing
Message-ID: <7c1d5490-2c62-f955-85f5-f57fb40bd771@btinternet.com>

I'm sad to read of the death of Jimmy Lindley, for many years part of 
the BBC's racing output. He was always nice to work with unlike? some of 
the prima-donnas! Sad, Dave



From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 17:06:20 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:06:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
In-Reply-To: <3f5fdf42-24ad-6cfc-bd73-c5480366fe26@btinternet.com>
References: <3f5fdf42-24ad-6cfc-bd73-c5480366fe26@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <44DA01CB-ED2F-4194-B1D9-82FA782D6A1D@gmail.com>

The amount solicitors charge is scandalous. Think how much a minute that equates to and what it costs to sit down with them and say Hello.
Stay safe on your journey and don?t let the beneficiaries know your route or they might stage an accident to put you out of your misery,
Best wishes,

Geoff
Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Mar 2022, at 19:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?We are having a fourth go at getting a will to suit all of our family, which has changed a lot over the years. Today we had a meeting with a very young nice man who had been with the firm for 3 years. We said what we wanted and we wanted it done by Friday! Only because my wife has this fear that if we drive down to Somerset for Mother's Day we will both be killed and the third (totally wrong will) will still be in force! He sent us the agreement documents and the terms of service and we signed them and I photocopied them all and sent them back, he also wanted a copy of my driving licence with my address on and also a list of all our children and grandchildren's details like d.o.b and addresses. I sent all off those this afternoon and he will prepare the documents and  we will call in on Friday a.m. to sign them on the way to Somerset! Hows that for productivity? I feel sorry for OAPs without a PC as you could never do that in that time scale. BTW, my young man's fees are ?200/hour and the partner overlooking the deal is on ?400/hour! Compare that with the new P&O workforce on ?2/hour! Makes you think that there is some inequality in this great country of ours! Cheers, Dave
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 23 17:27:54 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:27:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
In-Reply-To: <44DA01CB-ED2F-4194-B1D9-82FA782D6A1D@gmail.com>
References: <3f5fdf42-24ad-6cfc-bd73-c5480366fe26@btinternet.com>
	<44DA01CB-ED2F-4194-B1D9-82FA782D6A1D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97d3d4f8-d65f-4222-7f26-f5116b59be3c@btinternet.com>

Quite right, Geoff, when you think that this young man's rate is ?200/hr 
and the partner overseeing the deal is on ?400/hr and the new P&O crew 
are on ?1.86/hr and the weekly wage is about ?10/hr it makes you think 
that there is something not quite right with our society! Cheers, Dave

On 23/03/2022 22:06, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> The amount solicitors charge is scandalous. Think how much a minute that equates to and what it costs to sit down with them and say Hello.
> Stay safe on your journey and don?t let the beneficiaries know your route or they might stage an accident to put you out of your misery,
> Best wishes,
>
> Geoff
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 23 Mar 2022, at 19:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?We are having a fourth go at getting a will to suit all of our family, which has changed a lot over the years. Today we had a meeting with a very young nice man who had been with the firm for 3 years. We said what we wanted and we wanted it done by Friday! Only because my wife has this fear that if we drive down to Somerset for Mother's Day we will both be killed and the third (totally wrong will) will still be in force! He sent us the agreement documents and the terms of service and we signed them and I photocopied them all and sent them back, he also wanted a copy of my driving licence with my address on and also a list of all our children and grandchildren's details like d.o.b and addresses. I sent all off those this afternoon and he will prepare the documents and  we will call in on Friday a.m. to sign them on the way to Somerset! Hows that for productivity? I feel sorry for OAPs without a PC as you could never do that in that time scale. BTW, my young man's fees are ?200/hour and the partner overlooking the deal is on ?400/hour! Compare that with the new P&O workforce on ?2/hour! Makes you think that there is some inequality in this great country of ours! Cheers, Dave
>>
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Thu Mar 24 04:31:49 2022
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:31:49 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
Message-ID: <000001d83f61$fd0217a0$f70646e0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

As the making of Wills has come up for discussion, for those with a straight forward request can take advantage of this - 

https://freewillsmonth.org.uk/

Rob



From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Mar 24 05:23:34 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:23:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
In-Reply-To: <97d3d4f8-d65f-4222-7f26-f5116b59be3c@btinternet.com>
References: <3f5fdf42-24ad-6cfc-bd73-c5480366fe26@btinternet.com>
	<44DA01CB-ED2F-4194-B1D9-82FA782D6A1D@gmail.com>
	<97d3d4f8-d65f-4222-7f26-f5116b59be3c@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <a6591640-9cad-6fff-3200-b5da2624d005@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Gentlefolk, let us be careful.

As so many of us who have worked as freelances know, the apparent hourly 
rate isn't the same as a salary. The guy may be charging ?200 pounds per 
hour /while working for you,/ but he might be sitting for the next 4 
hours getting nothing at all - ?50 / hour salary equivalent. He may also 
be working most of the day, but be having to pay two minions to type up, 
post and bill everyone. In which case the ?200 is really for three 
people. Quite likely both partners have a ?60k debt each for their 
university training too, which enables them to do the job, but has to be 
repaid (at about 6% nowadays).

I don't want to defend gouged prices, and I have little love for 
solicitors, but it is very easy to criticise on the basis of headline 
figures, without thinking of the reality. I seem to remember Mrs T. 
being furious about the lazy people in TV who sat around doing nothing 
most of the time - drastic over-manning - simply because she had no idea 
how TV studio production worked. Don't fall into the same? trap.

Chris W


//

On 23/03/2022 22:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Quite right, Geoff, when you think that this young man's rate is 
> ?200/hr and the partner overseeing the deal is on ?400/hr and the new 
> P&O crew are on ?1.86/hr and the weekly wage is about ?10/hr it makes 
> you think that there is something not quite right with our society! 
> Cheers, Dave
>
> On 23/03/2022 22:06, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
>> The amount solicitors charge is scandalous. Think how much a minute 
>> that equates to and what it costs to sit down with them and say Hello.
>> Stay safe on your journey and don?t let the beneficiaries know your 
>> route or they might stage an accident to put you out of your misery,
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Geoff
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 23 Mar 2022, at 19:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?We are having a fourth go at getting a will to suit all of our 
>>> family, which has changed a lot over the years. Today we had a 
>>> meeting with a very young nice man who had been with the firm for 3 
>>> years. We said what we wanted and we wanted it done by Friday! Only 
>>> because my wife has this fear that if we drive down to Somerset for 
>>> Mother's Day we will both be killed and the third (totally wrong 
>>> will) will still be in force! He sent us the agreement documents and 
>>> the terms of service and we signed them and I photocopied them all 
>>> and sent them back, he also wanted a copy of my driving licence with 
>>> my address on and also a list of all our children and 
>>> grandchildren's details like d.o.b and addresses. I sent all off 
>>> those this afternoon and he will prepare the documents and? we will 
>>> call in on Friday a.m. to sign them on the way to Somerset! Hows 
>>> that for productivity? I feel sorry for OAPs without a PC as you 
>>> could never do that in that time scale. BTW, my young man's fees are 
>>> ?200/hour and the partner overlooking the deal is on ?400/hour! 
>>> Compare that with the new P&O workforce on ?2/hour! Makes you think 
>>> that there is some inequality in this great country of ours! Cheers, 
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Thu Mar 24 05:37:35 2022
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From chris.maurice at talk21.com  Thu Mar 24 06:46:22 2022
From: chris.maurice at talk21.com (chris.maurice)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:46:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
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Dear GeoffMy daughter is a Private Client solicitor and her 'charge out' rate is no way the same as her salary. Nor does she get anymore for spending her evening sitting at the hospital bedside of a terminally ill client so that she can get her affairs in order before she dies.You can, if you so wish, write a Will on the back of a fag? packet or get a d.i.y. Will writing kit, but be warned! My daughter has plenty of stories to tell of such documents failing Probate because they are not properly drawn up!Yes, it can be pricey to have a Will written by a solicitor, but you may want to consider that your beneficiaries and those you leave behind might just be worth that cost.RegardsChris?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 23/03/2022  22:06  (GMT+00:00) To: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wills The amount solicitors charge is scandalous. Think how much a minute that equates to and what it costs to sit down with them and say Hello.Stay safe on your journey and don?t let the beneficiaries know your route or they might stage an accident to put you out of your misery,Best wishes,GeoffSent from my iPhone> On 23 Mar 2022, at 19:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:> > ?We are having a fourth go at getting a will to suit all of our family, which has changed a lot over the years. Today we had a meeting with a very young nice man who had been with the firm for 3 years. We said what we wanted and we wanted it done by Friday! Only because my wife has this fear that if we drive down to Somerset for Mother's Day we will both be killed and the third (totally wrong will) will still be in force! He sent us the agreement documents and the terms of service and we signed them and I photocopied them all and sent them back, he also wanted a copy of my driving licence with my address on and also a list of all our children and grandchildren's details like d.o.b and addresses. I sent all off those this afternoon and he will prepare the documents and? we will call in on Friday a.m. to sign them on the way to Somerset! Hows that for productivity? I feel sorry for OAPs without a PC as you could never do that in that time scale. BTW, my young man's fees are ?200/hour and the partner overlooking the deal is on ?400/hour! Compare that with the new P&O workforce on ?2/hour! Makes you think that there is some inequality in this great country of ours! Cheers, Dave> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 24 07:19:16 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:19:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
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I couldn?t agree more, Chris M.
Years ago I had my will drawn up, by a local firm of solicitors, who have three offices around Surrey, which cannot be cheap.
Not a complicated will, but needed to be spelt out in proper legal language. Just this this year I wanted to have a codicil to change one of my executors. So returned to the original firm, and the same lass to effect this.
Some advice to help my executors, was suggested to be put into a side-letter, stored where they could find it.
Happy that it?s all legally correct.

I?m just peeved that I won?t be around to see it through!

Pat

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From: chris.maurice via Tech1
Sent: 24 March 2022 11:46
To: Geoffrey Hawkes; dave.mdv
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wills

Dear Geoff

You can, if you so wish, write a Will on the back of a fag? packet or get a d.i.y. Will writing kit, but be warned! My daughter has plenty of stories to tell of such documents failing Probate because they are not properly drawn up!

Yes, it can be pricey to have a Will written by a solicitor, but you may want to consider that your beneficiaries and those you leave behind might just be worth that cost.

Regards

Chris?






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From nickrodger at mac.com  Thu Mar 24 07:22:42 2022
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:22:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
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I live in Cheshire/South Manchester, so costs are not quite as high as the South~East (I assume). 

When I did my will last summer it cost me ?350.00 (+VAT, but they don?t get that). 

That has to pay for their staff, offices, etc.etc., and for all I know that was his only job that week. 

As my estate is anything but straightforward our initial consultation with him lasted over two hours. 

Included in that estate is a 50% interest in a house in SW London, so I?m in the lucky position of having an estate worth well over ?1M. 

As I imagine does nearly everyone on this forum, given todays property values. 

The last time my Civil Partner and I went out for a ?good? meal it cost us over ?100.00. 

I don?t think ?350.00 is excessive to protect the interests and make life easier for those I leave behind. 

Nick.  

Nick Rodger 
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On 24 Mar 2022, at 11:46, chris.maurice via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Dear Geoff

My daughter is a Private Client solicitor and her 'charge out' rate is no way the same as her salary. Nor does she get anymore for spending her evening sitting at the hospital bedside of a terminally ill client so that she can get her affairs in order before she dies.

You can, if you so wish, write a Will on the back of a fag  packet or get a d.i.y. Will writing kit, but be warned! My daughter has plenty of stories to tell of such documents failing Probate because they are not properly drawn up!

Yes, it can be pricey to have a Will written by a solicitor, but you may want to consider that your beneficiaries and those you leave behind might just be worth that cost.

Regards

Chris 



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Date: 23/03/2022 22:06 (GMT+00:00)
To: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wills

The amount solicitors charge is scandalous. Think how much a minute that equates to and what it costs to sit down with them and say Hello.
Stay safe on your journey and don?t let the beneficiaries know your route or they might stage an accident to put you out of your misery,
Best wishes,

Geoff
Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Mar 2022, at 19:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?We are having a fourth go at getting a will to suit all of our family, which has changed a lot over the years. Today we had a meeting with a very young nice man who had been with the firm for 3 years. We said what we wanted and we wanted it done by Friday! Only because my wife has this fear that if we drive down to Somerset for Mother's Day we will both be killed and the third (totally wrong will) will still be in force! He sent us the agreement documents and the terms of service and we signed them and I photocopied them all and sent them back, he also wanted a copy of my driving licence with my address on and also a list of all our children and grandchildren's details like d.o.b and addresses. I sent all off those this afternoon and he will prepare the documents and  we will call in on Friday a.m. to sign them on the way to Somerset! Hows that for productivity? I feel sorry for OAPs without a PC as you could never do that in that time scale. BTW, my young man's fees are ?200/hour and the partner overlooking the deal is on ?400/hour! Compare that with the new P&O workforce on ?2/hour! Makes you think that there is some inequality in this great country of ours! Cheers, Dave
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Mar 24 09:30:50 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:30:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wills
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It is true that some legal and medical people are charging quite extortionate rates, but our financial adviser helped us with our 'mirror' wills, virtually identical apart from the names. As he said, he would become involved if either of us died, (quite likely except in the case of a serious car crash, when we might both be dead), and he was trying to make his life straightforward, a not unreasonable attitude it seemed to us. 

Also the cost of Professional Indemnity Insurance is very high, because, amongst other things, of the number of people being economical with the truth about their qualifications/skills/background.

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> On 24 Mar 2022, at 12:22, Nick Rodger via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I live in Cheshire/South Manchester, so costs are not quite as high as the South~East (I assume). 
> 
> When I did my will last summer it cost me ?350.00 (+VAT, but they don?t get that). 
> 
> That has to pay for their staff, offices, etc.etc., and for all I know that was his only job that week. 
> 
> As my estate is anything but straightforward our initial consultation with him lasted over two hours. 
> 
> Included in that estate is a 50% interest in a house in SW London, so I?m in the lucky position of having an estate worth well over ?1M. 
> 
> As I imagine does nearly everyone on this forum, given todays property values. 
> 
> The last time my Civil Partner and I went out for a ?good? meal it cost us over ?100.00. 
> 
> I don?t think ?350.00 is excessive to protect the interests and make life easier for those I leave behind. 
> 
> Nick.  
> 
> Nick Rodger 
> Cameraman (Retired) 
> 07971 007578 
> nickrodger at mac.com <mailto:nickrodger at mac.com>  
> 
> Don?t blame me!! 
> I voted Remain ?? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 24 Mar 2022, at 11:46, chris.maurice via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> Dear Geoff
> 
> My daughter is a Private Client solicitor and her 'charge out' rate is no way the same as her salary. Nor does she get anymore for spending her evening sitting at the hospital bedside of a terminally ill client so that she can get her affairs in order before she dies.
> 
> You can, if you so wish, write a Will on the back of a fag  packet or get a d.i.y. Will writing kit, but be warned! My daughter has plenty of stories to tell of such documents failing Probate because they are not properly drawn up!
> 
> Yes, it can be pricey to have a Will written by a solicitor, but you may want to consider that your beneficiaries and those you leave behind might just be worth that cost.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chris 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> Date: 23/03/2022 22:06 (GMT+00:00)
> To: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>>
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wills
> 
> The amount solicitors charge is scandalous. Think how much a minute that equates to and what it costs to sit down with them and say Hello.
> Stay safe on your journey and don?t let the beneficiaries know your route or they might stage an accident to put you out of your misery,
> Best wishes,
> 
> Geoff
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 23 Mar 2022, at 19:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> > 
> > ?We are having a fourth go at getting a will to suit all of our family, which has changed a lot over the years. Today we had a meeting with a very young nice man who had been with the firm for 3 years. We said what we wanted and we wanted it done by Friday! Only because my wife has this fear that if we drive down to Somerset for Mother's Day we will both be killed and the third (totally wrong will) will still be in force! He sent us the agreement documents and the terms of service and we signed them and I photocopied them all and sent them back, he also wanted a copy of my driving licence with my address on and also a list of all our children and grandchildren's details like d.o.b and addresses. I sent all off those this afternoon and he will prepare the documents and  we will call in on Friday a.m. to sign them on the way to Somerset! Hows that for productivity? I feel sorry for OAPs without a PC as you could never do that in that time scale. BTW, my young man's fees are ?200/hour and the partner overlooking the deal is on ?400/hour! Compare that with the new P&O workforce on ?2/hour! Makes you think that there is some inequality in this great country of ours! Cheers, Dave
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 25 01:58:13 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 06:58:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner
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For your interest:
The Horror Channel, Ch69 is transmitting a re-run of The Prisoner (@6:00 pm, weekdays). I still don?t understand what it?s all about!
The location at Portmeirion is fascinating.
Portmeirion is a tourist village in Gwynedd, North Wales. It was designed and built by Sir Clough Williams-Ellis, who liked to collect architecture. It?s strange enough to cause the bewilderment of ?No 6?.
Before he passed away, I recorded an interview with Sir Clough, and as we stayed over, each of the crew got billeted in one of the curious cottages. We had a charming Welsh speaking PA lass, who took great delight in coaching us to pronounce properly all the Welsh place names.

Pat

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 04:34:15 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 09:34:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner
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Hi Pat,

I shot these photos of Portmeirion on 19 June 2007 from our Cherokee when on a North Wales tootle around with my pal Paul Baldwin - another ex BBC TV cameraman. 

Geoff F

 

> On 25 Mar 2022, at 06:58, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> For your interest:
> The Horror Channel, Ch69 is transmitting a re-run of The Prisoner (@6:00 pm, weekdays). I still don?t understand what it?s all about!
> The location at Portmeirion is fascinating.
> Portmeirion is a tourist village in Gwynedd, North Wales. It was designed and built by Sir Clough Williams-Ellis, who liked to collect architecture. It?s strange enough to cause the bewilderment of ?No 6?.
> Before he passed away, I recorded an interview with Sir Clough, and as we stayed over, each of the crew got billeted in one of the curious cottages. We had a charming Welsh speaking PA lass, who took great delight in coaching us to pronounce properly all the Welsh place names.
>  
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Mar 25 05:06:19 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 10:06:19 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner
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Fascinating place. We holidayed there on three successive years, 1997-1999. Back then there was a decent time before the day visiting public were admitted and they had to depart by 5 pm, meaning in high summer a good many hours to savor and enjoy in peace. On the first visit there had been a booking hiccup which resulted in us being given a free upgrade to a suite in ?Fountains? where Noel Coward stayed and wrote Blythe Spirit.

The food was sublime, the level of attention to guest?s comfort quite exceptional.

Attached a few shots, all scanned from old film but give a sense of the place as it was then. Much more commercial now and modern shots on the web suggest a pretty crowded scene.

Dave Newbitt

From: patheigham via Tech1 
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner

For your interest:

The Horror Channel, Ch69 is transmitting a re-run of The Prisoner (@6:00 pm, weekdays). I still don?t understand what it?s all about!

The location at Portmeirion is fascinating.

Portmeirion is a tourist village in Gwynedd, North Wales. It was designed and built by Sir Clough Williams-Ellis, who liked to collect architecture. It?s strange enough to cause the bewilderment of ?No 6?.

Before he passed away, I recorded an interview with Sir Clough, and as we stayed over, each of the crew got billeted in one of the curious cottages. We had a charming Welsh speaking PA lass, who took great delight in coaching us to pronounce properly all the Welsh place names.

 

Pat

 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 25 07:37:25 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:37:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni + other
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Hi Bernie,
It seems to me that there are more than one BBC History/stories sites.
There?s yours, BBC Alumni, now asking for tales, and Sue Malden?s 100 voices.
Would it not be better to correlate all these together as one reference point?

No I?m not volunteering to organise this!

Pat

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 11:17:35 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:17:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni + other
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I've sent my piece to BBC Alumni, now awaiting moderation. It basically 
says "look at the website". With Alec's huge compilation of stories from 
us, I don't think that anyone should feel too pressured into duplicating 
their material unless they want to.?? Doing a voice piece for Sue Malden 
is of course a different matter? - please do your bit.

Meanwhile, I agree with Pat, and I don't plan to be coordinator any more 
than he does.

B



On 25/03/2022 12:37, patheigham wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> It seems to me that there are more than one BBC History/stories sites.
>
> There?s yours, BBC Alumni, now asking for tales, and Sue Malden?s 100 
> voices.
>
> Would it not be better to correlate all these together as one 
> reference point?
>
> No I?m not volunteering to organise this!
>
> Pat
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 26 04:34:34 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 09:34:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner
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Hi all

Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Portmeirion is a tourist village in Gwynedd, North Wales. It was 
> designed and built by Sir Clough Williams-Ellis, who liked to collect 
> architecture. It?s strange enough to cause the bewilderment of ?No 6?.


Of course, what Portmeirion is missing is a railway station, perhaps an 
Italianate narrow gauge railway station as on the line through Cosenza 
....? oh, and the Ffestiniog is but a stone's throw away at 
Minffordd...? Always thought that a branch line could be done there!


The road transport at Portmeirion at one time was a fleet of Min-Mokes - 
now there was an interesting vehicle, especially the double engined ones!


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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 26 04:49:21 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 09:49:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni + other
In-Reply-To: <7f7f0ac5-aed7-18b0-23b7-41e095be9e1a@ntlworld.com>
References: <623db785.1c69fb81.9792e.b9af@mx.google.com>
	<7f7f0ac5-aed7-18b0-23b7-41e095be9e1a@ntlworld.com>
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Hi Pat,

> On 25/03/2022 12:37, patheigham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bernie,
>>
>> It seems to me that there are more than one BBC History/stories sites.
>>
>> There?s yours, BBC Alumni, now asking for tales, and Sue Malden?s 100 
>> voices.
>>
>> Would it not be better to correlate all these together as one 
>> reference point?
>>

A reply just to you, as Bernie has replied to the Tech Ops list.

We are absolutely in agreement re the "need" to correlate all these 
sites together.

When BBC Alumni first mentioned the idea of its own "recollections" 
area, I contacted Natasha Maclean about some way of linking the various 
sites together - no one wanted really to duplicate stories to the nth 
degree.? After a number of email exchanges, and a Zoom call with Bernie 
etc, Natasha let us know that the sites were NOT going to be linked 
together.? What she suggested was the site owners did a puff piece for 
the Alumni website and put all the necessary links to their specific 
website into their article.? This is what Bernie is doing.

So, for example, you (or the site owner) could prepare a puff piece for 
the AMPS site, with a taster story or trailer included too, and include 
all the links to the AMPS site, and offer this to the BBC Alumni site.

You might be interested to know that the BBC Tech Ops website contains 
over 3000 pictures and more than 850 pages and posts.

Very best regards,


Alec


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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Mar 26 05:15:37 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 10:15:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner
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I?ve done several shows from Portmeirion and some of them have involved being accommodated in the village. Quite an early one led to me staying in Anchor cottage ( I hope I have the name right ), which was close to the hotel and had excellent sea views.  Being something of an early riser, I opened the curtains at first light and was treated to the sight of many thousands of wading birds feeding in the estuary. 

The next time I stayed there was as part of a recc? for a drama series. We all parked in the car park and crammed into a mini bus to be taken into the village itself.  The location manager asked who had not been there before and suggested they cover their eyes until the bus stopped.  The looks on their faces when a couple of minutes later they found themselves in centre of the village was priceless. 

I can?t remember the exact reason, but normal holiday makers were not staying in the village at that time. When we all went into the village office to be allocated our rooms, I asked if it might be possible to get the top right room of Anchor cottage ( I knew  it would have afforded the best views of the estuary ).  They were happy to oblige.  Other people in our group thought that I must be onto something by making such a specific request and asked to stay in the other five rooms in that cottage. 

As it happens, Anchor cottage is also very close to the swimming pool. Obviously if you?re going on a recc?, you don?t pack swimming gear, but there again the village was empty, so late in the evening the swimming pool was enjoyed by some of the less inhibited crew.  

It might be best to draw a veil over further details of the story, but that evening proved to be an excellent ice-breaker for what went on to be a hugely enjoyable series to work on.

Alan



> On 25 Mar 2022, at 10:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Fascinating place. We holidayed there on three successive years, 1997-1999. Back then there was a decent time before the day visiting public were admitted and they had to depart by 5 pm, meaning in high summer a good many hours to savor and enjoy in peace. On the first visit there had been a booking hiccup which resulted in us being given a free upgrade to a suite in ?Fountains? where Noel Coward stayed and wrote Blythe Spirit.
>  
> The food was sublime, the level of attention to guest?s comfort quite exceptional.
>  
> Attached a few shots, all scanned from old film but give a sense of the place as it was then. Much more commercial now and modern shots on the web suggest a pretty crowded scene.
>  
> Dave Newbitt
>  
> From: patheigham via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 6:58 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner
>  
> For your interest:
> The Horror Channel, Ch69 is transmitting a re-run of The Prisoner (@6:00 pm, weekdays). I still don?t understand what it?s all about!
> The location at Portmeirion is fascinating.
> Portmeirion is a tourist village in Gwynedd, North Wales. It was designed and built by Sir Clough Williams-Ellis, who liked to collect architecture. It?s strange enough to cause the bewilderment of ?No 6?.
> Before he passed away, I recorded an interview with Sir Clough, and as we stayed over, each of the crew got billeted in one of the curious cottages. We had a charming Welsh speaking PA lass, who took great delight in coaching us to pronounce properly all the Welsh place names.
>  
> Pat
>  
> <Hotel & pool 1997.jpg>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 26 05:26:23 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 10:26:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner
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Well, the mini-mokes featured heavily in ?The Prisoner?.
But to put in a railway, if down to the hotel at the water?s edge, would need engineering of a zig-zag system. As per the Blue Mountains in Australia now by-passed, or certain lines in S. America!
Pat

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From: Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 26 March 2022 09:34
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Prisoner

Hi all
Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
Portmeirion is a tourist village in Gwynedd, North Wales. It was designed and built by Sir Clough Williams-Ellis, who liked to collect architecture. It?s strange enough to cause the bewilderment of ?No 6?.

Of course, what Portmeirion is missing is a railway station, perhaps an Italianate narrow gauge railway station as on the line through Cosenza ....? oh, and the Ffestiniog is but a stone's throw away at Minffordd...? Always thought that a branch line could be done there!

The road transport at Portmeirion at one time was a fleet of Min-Mokes - now there was an interesting vehicle, especially the double engined ones!




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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar 26 05:31:09 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 10:31:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Prisoner
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The most famous zig-zags are on the Darjeeling mountain railway, as featured in many BBC documentaries.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 26 Mar 2022, at 10:26, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Well, the mini-mokes featured heavily in ?The Prisoner?.
> But to put in a railway, if down to the hotel at the water?s edge, would need engineering of a zig-zag system. As per the Blue Mountains in Australia now by-passed, or certain lines in S. America!
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
> Sent: 26 March 2022 09:34
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Prisoner
>  
> Hi all
> 
> Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Portmeirion is a tourist village in Gwynedd, North Wales. It was designed and built by Sir Clough Williams-Ellis, who liked to collect architecture. It?s strange enough to cause the bewilderment of ?No 6?.
>  
> 
> Of course, what Portmeirion is missing is a railway station, perhaps an Italianate narrow gauge railway station as on the line through Cosenza ....  oh, and the Ffestiniog is but a stone's throw away at Minffordd...  Always thought that a branch line could be done there!
> 
>  
> 
> The road transport at Portmeirion at one time was a fleet of Min-Mokes - now there was an interesting vehicle, especially the double engined ones!
> 
>  
> 
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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Sat Mar 26 05:34:31 2022
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 10:34:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nineteen Eighty-Four, BBC 1954
Message-ID: <F26F81A7-6878-4B46-A240-A46859C86C05@cam.ac.uk>

Dear all,

As you may be aware, the BBC and BFI are releasing Nigel Kneale?s adaptation of George Orwell?s Nineteen Eighty-Four on DVD and Blu-ray on the 11th of April this year.

I?m running an event as part of the Cambridge festival, looking at the BBC production. I?m glad to say that the BBC and BFI have given me permission to use some footage from the film.

To promote the event I have tried to remake the ?Big Brother is watching you? poster which was featured in the show. I attach a screen capture, and my reconstruction, in case it is of interest.

Wishing you all well,

Robin

[cid:158BDF27-F1B4-480C-A292-F1BDD0D037BB]


[cid:AB453A20-45DE-488A-8184-F46804EB835A]


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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Mar 27 03:22:14 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 09:22:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BST
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You guys have been over-thinking it.   The clock is now sorted until the autumn.

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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 27 05:46:55 2022
From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (SUSAN MALDEN)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 11:46:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni + other
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Hi Pat
Quite agree with you -After a discussion with Natasha we hoped that by 
posting our request and some of our stories with BBC Alumni we would 10 
draw attention to the need to collect these stories and 20 that this 
would be the first stage of collating them altogether

Cheers Sue

------ Original Message ------
From: "Alec Bray via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; "patheigham" <pat.heigham at amps.net>
Sent: Saturday, 26 Mar, 22 At 09:49
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Alumni + other

Hi Pat,

On 25/03/2022 12:37, patheigham         wrote:



Hi Bernie,
It seems to me that there are more than             one BBC 
History/stories sites.
There?s yours, BBC Alumni, now asking for             tales, and Sue 
Malden?s 100 voices.
Would it not be better to correlate all             these together as 
one reference point?


A reply just to you, as Bernie has replied to the Tech Ops list.

We are absolutely in agreement re the "need" to correlate all 
these sites together.

When BBC Alumni first mentioned the idea of its own 
"recollections" area, I contacted Natasha Maclean about some way 
of linking the various sites together - no one wanted really to 
duplicate stories to the nth degree.  After a number of email 
exchanges, and a Zoom call with Bernie etc, Natasha let us know 
that the sites were NOT going to be linked together.  What she 
suggested was the site owners did a puff piece for the Alumni 
website and put all the necessary links to their specific website 
into their article.  This is what Bernie is doing.
So, for example, you (or the site owner) could prepare a puff 
piece for the AMPS site, with a taster story or trailer included 
too, and include all the links to the AMPS site, and offer this to 
the BBC Alumni site.
You might be interested to know that the BBC Tech Ops website 
contains over 3000 pictures and more than 850 pages and posts.
Very best regards,

Alec

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Mar 27 06:14:33 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:14:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BST
In-Reply-To: <6F7A71DA-8051-41DA-8209-7AC761AA9AC9@me.com>
References: <6F7A71DA-8051-41DA-8209-7AC761AA9AC9@me.com>
Message-ID: <5bcf19da-b850-0020-7d13-6c123f325adf@davesound.co.uk>

Lidl had radio ones for under a tenner recently. Proper clock face and 
hands etc too.

Just had my second booster. Booked at my local hospital, as parking no 
problem on a Sunday morning. Last booster, in and out. This one, a 90 
minute wait. And despite getting an email from the NHS telling me to 
book it, was 2 weeks before the 6 month gap. But they did it anyway. So 
if getting that email, worth checking yourself.

On 27/03/2022 09:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> You guys have been over-thinking it.   The clock is now sorted until the autumn.
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Mar 27 08:43:03 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 14:43:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BST
In-Reply-To: <5bcf19da-b850-0020-7d13-6c123f325adf@davesound.co.uk>
References: <6F7A71DA-8051-41DA-8209-7AC761AA9AC9@me.com>
	<5bcf19da-b850-0020-7d13-6c123f325adf@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <d7f61980-a0c2-1da2-be2f-d5ce848126cd@davesound.co.uk>

Sorry - missed out the bit about wondering if the long wait was down to 
some hospital staff missing the hour change?

On 27/03/2022 12:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Lidl had radio ones for under a tenner recently. Proper clock face and 
> hands etc too.
>
> Just had my second booster. Booked at my local hospital, as parking no 
> problem on a Sunday morning. Last booster, in and out. This one, a 90 
> minute wait. And despite getting an email from the NHS telling me to 
> book it, was 2 weeks before the 6 month gap. But they did it anyway. 
> So if getting that email, worth checking yourself.
>
> On 27/03/2022 09:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> You guys have been over-thinking it.?? The clock is now sorted until 
>> the autumn.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Mar 30 03:54:00 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 09:54:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Amex System unavailable
Message-ID: <62441aa9.1c69fb81.97fd5.043b@mx.google.com>

Does anyone use American Express Credit card, and have you found difficulty in accessing your account on-line?
For a couple of days, it?s been unavailable.

Pat

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 30 12:31:13 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 18:31:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My lucky day?
Message-ID: <77a5d815-98ca-1790-ef4e-52e8cf2dca89@btinternet.com>

P800

We have reviewed your tax liability for the year Based on our 
calculation, you are eligible for a ?978.00 tax refund.

For this reason, Be sure to complete your P800 correctly, as any 
mistakes will take longer to process.

Find your attached P800 instructions.

Sincerely,
HM Revenue & Customs.

Please note that this is an automatically generated email, replies will 
not be answered.

 ????????????????????????????????? Great! Just what I need after paying 
for the wills! Cheers, Dave



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Mar 30 12:53:54 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 18:53:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My lucky day?
In-Reply-To: <77a5d815-98ca-1790-ef4e-52e8cf2dca89@btinternet.com>
References: <77a5d815-98ca-1790-ef4e-52e8cf2dca89@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <62449933.1c69fb81.cfd72.239a@mx.google.com>

I hope it?s genuine. Our Neighbourhood Watch Police Office sent this out yesterday:
Beware of scam emails or messages that suggest you are owed a tax refund. Criminals use ?hooks? to grab your attention, by claiming you owe tax or are due a refund. Remember the #StopChallengeProtect advice:?
STOP: Taking a moment to stop and think before parting with your money or information could keep you safe.
 CHALLENGE: Could it be fake? It?s ok to reject, refuse or ignore any requests. Only criminals will try to rush or panic you. 
PROTECT: Contact your bank immediately if you think you?ve fallen for a scam and report it to Action Fraud. If you have any suspicions, forward emails to phishing at hmrc.gov.uk and texts to 60599.
If it was a proper letter in the post, probably OK, but if an email ? dodgy as HMRC doesn?t send out like that.
Phone them to check if suspicious. 
Contact HMRC - GOV.UK
https://www.gov.uk ? ... ? Dealing with HMRC

Sorry, Dave I think it?s fake.
Pat

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 30 March 2022 18:32
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] My lucky day?

P800

We have reviewed your tax liability for the year Based on our 
calculation, you are eligible for a ?978.00 tax refund.

For this reason, Be sure to complete your P800 correctly, as any 
mistakes will take longer to process.

Find your attached P800 instructions.

Sincerely,
HM Revenue & Customs.

Please note that this is an automatically generated email, replies will 
not be answered.

????????????????????????????????? Great! Just what I need after paying 
for the wills! Cheers, Dave





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Mar 30 13:06:15 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:06:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My lucky day?
In-Reply-To: <77a5d815-98ca-1790-ef4e-52e8cf2dca89@btinternet.com>
References: <77a5d815-98ca-1790-ef4e-52e8cf2dca89@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <62449c18.1c69fb81.7e66d.f553@mx.google.com>

Further clues, Dave (from HMRC query pages)

How you can tell the 'HMRC' tax email is a fake. Simple: HMRC never contacts customers who are due a refund by email or text. It only ever sends such a letter by post. Similarly, it's worth knowing that HMRC never contacts taxpayers about refunds by telephone, and never uses external companies regarding refunds.

Sorry to disappoint you.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 30 March 2022 18:32
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] My lucky day?

P800

We have reviewed your tax liability for the year Based on our 
calculation, you are eligible for a ?978.00 tax refund.

For this reason, Be sure to complete your P800 correctly, as any 
mistakes will take longer to process.

Find your attached P800 instructions.

Sincerely,
HM Revenue & Customs.

Please note that this is an automatically generated email, replies will 
not be answered.

 ????????????????????????????????? Great! Just what I need after paying 
for the wills! Cheers, Dave





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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 30 13:19:26 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:19:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My lucky day?
In-Reply-To: <62449c18.1c69fb81.7e66d.f553@mx.google.com>
References: <77a5d815-98ca-1790-ef4e-52e8cf2dca89@btinternet.com>
	<62449c18.1c69fb81.7e66d.f553@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <b7167df1-eac1-eb4a-262c-c609d421e560@btinternet.com>

Thanks Pat, it's nice to know that you care. Cheers, Dave

On 30/03/2022 19:06, patheigham wrote:
>
> Further clues, Dave (from HMRC query pages)
>
> How you can tell the 'HMRC' tax email is a fake. Simple: *HMRC never 
> contacts customers who are due a refund by email or text*. It only 
> ever sends such a letter by post. Similarly, it's worth knowing that 
> HMRC never contacts taxpayers about refunds by telephone, and never 
> uses external companies regarding refunds.
>
> Sorry to disappoint you.
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *30 March 2022 18:32
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil <mailto:phil at philwthomas.plus.com>; 
> Dave <mailto:d.cjennings at btinternet.com>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] My lucky day?
>
> P800
>
> We have reviewed your tax liability for the year Based on our
>
> calculation, you are eligible for a ?978.00 tax refund.
>
> For this reason, Be sure to complete your P800 correctly, as any
>
> mistakes will take longer to process.
>
> Find your attached P800 instructions.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> HM Revenue & Customs.
>
> Please note that this is an automatically generated email, replies will
>
> not be answered.
>
> ????????????????????????????????? Great! Just what I need after paying
>
> for the wills! Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 31 02:30:27 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:30:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HMRC Tax refund
Message-ID: <62455894.1c69fb81.90281.1427@mx.google.com>

Hello everyone, particularly dave.mdv and Geoff Hawkes,
This is found on HMRC Website: (their bold)

You will only receive a genuine P800 by post and HMRC will not text or email you to ask for any personal or financial details. They do have a quick link to help your get to the right page: www.gov.uk/p800refund. If in any doubt, do not enter any details or click on any attachments ? the scams are pretty convincing.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-a-letter-youve-received-from-hmrc-is-genuine

I?m surprised that you haven?t had a search on the Internet for yourselves!

Pat
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 31 04:24:12 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:24:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tax refund My Lucky Day?
Message-ID: <6245733d.1c69fb81.4a87d.91c4@mx.google.com>

I didn?t see this in my ?sent? folder, so I?m not sure it went.
Apologies for duplication if you DID get it.

Hello everyone, particularly dave.mdv and Geoff Hawkes,
This is found on HMRC Website: (their bold)

You will only receive a genuine P800 by post and HMRC will not text or email you to ask for any personal or financial details. They do have a quick link to help your get to the right page: www.gov.uk/p800refund. If in any doubt, do not enter any details or click on any attachments ? the scams are pretty convincing.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-a-letter-youve-received-from-hmrc-is-genuine

I?m surprised that you haven?t had a search on the Internet for yourselves!

Pat


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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Mar 31 04:41:28 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 09:41:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tax refund My Lucky Day?
In-Reply-To: <6245733d.1c69fb81.4a87d.91c4@mx.google.com>
References: <6245733d.1c69fb81.4a87d.91c4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB198178648B8BDEBB6E175EA7A7E19@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It was such an obvious scam that I just chuckled and assumed Dave was joking in the first place.
Nick.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 31 Mar 2022, at 10:24, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I didn?t see this in my ?sent? folder, so I?m not sure it went.
Apologies for duplication if you DID get it.

Hello everyone, particularly dave.mdv and Geoff Hawkes,
This is found on HMRC Website: (their bold)

You will only receive a genuine P800 by post and HMRC will not text or email you to ask for any personal or financial details. They do have a quick link to help your get to the right page: www.gov.uk/p800refund. If in any doubt, do not enter any details or click on any attachments ? the scams are pretty convincing.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-a-letter-youve-received-from-hmrc-is-genuine

I?m surprised that you haven?t had a search on the Internet for yourselves!

Pat


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 31 07:08:35 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:08:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tax refund My Lucky Day?
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB198178648B8BDEBB6E175EA7A7E19@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <6245733d.1c69fb81.4a87d.91c4@mx.google.com>
	<PAXP191MB198178648B8BDEBB6E175EA7A7E19@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <624599c3.1c69fb81.cec2f.d4f4@mx.google.com>

Well, we are not all as astute as you, Nick, so on behalf of all, you are awarded a suitable gong!



Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 31 March 2022 10:41
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tax refund My Lucky Day?

It was such an obvious scam that I just chuckled and assumed Dave was joking in the first place. 
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6


On 31 Mar 2022, at 10:24, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
I didn?t see this in my ?sent? folder, so I?m not sure it went.
Apologies for duplication if you DID get it.
?
Hello everyone, particularly dave.mdv and Geoff Hawkes,
This is found on HMRC Website: (their bold)
?
You will only receive a genuine P800 by post and HMRC will not text or email you to ask for any personal or financial details. They do have a quick link to help your get to the right page: www.gov.uk/p800refund. If in any doubt, do not enter any details or click on any attachments ? the scams are pretty convincing.
?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-a-letter-youve-received-from-hmrc-is-genuine
?
I?m surprised that you haven?t had a search on the Internet for yourselves!
?
Pat
?
?
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?



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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Mar 31 07:25:11 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:25:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles jab.
Message-ID: <4ca3eb8f-d535-5fce-e896-cc9dd67fe4d6@davesound.co.uk>

Got an SMS from my GP today offering a shingles jab. And thanks to 
others on here, decided it would make sense.

Phoned them to make an appointment. And mentioned I'd had a second Covid 
booster last Sunday. (At that, they asked if I'd had any vaccinations 
recently - think within two weeks)

Was put on hold while reception asked a doctor. Then again while they 
asked another in the practice. Then asked my date of birth.

They're going to get back to me.?



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 08:15:01 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:15:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles jab.
In-Reply-To: <4ca3eb8f-d535-5fce-e896-cc9dd67fe4d6@davesound.co.uk>
References: <4ca3eb8f-d535-5fce-e896-cc9dd67fe4d6@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyEjdKsBon9GPseWRKVRmPo=ex=qG=xF3VXuiuOBwUrfNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Try and get the Shingrix one. It's in two parts and is known to be much
better.

B

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 13:25 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Got an SMS from my GP today offering a shingles jab. And thanks to
> others on here, decided it would make sense.
>
> Phoned them to make an appointment. And mentioned I'd had a second Covid
> booster last Sunday. (At that, they asked if I'd had any vaccinations
> recently - think within two weeks)
>
> Was put on hold while reception asked a doctor. Then again while they
> asked another in the practice. Then asked my date of birth.
>
> They're going to get back to me.?
>
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