From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun  1 09:26:23 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 15:26:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Queen Vic
Message-ID: <E7801506A6CE428C9F6F64F6101526E0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Spotted on this morning?s walk, West Chinnock, South Somerset.



Dave Newbitt.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jun  1 09:32:14 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 15:32:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Queen Vic
In-Reply-To: <E7801506A6CE428C9F6F64F6101526E0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <E7801506A6CE428C9F6F64F6101526E0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <5AA9C1D8-7CC2-427C-8BE8-5491A5041C68@icloud.com>

And she started earlier!  became queen at 18
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Spotted on this morning?s walk, West Chinnock, South Somerset.
>  
> <Queen%20Vic[3].jpg>
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun  1 09:36:14 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 15:36:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] QEII
Message-ID: <D216A2E0DE57464AAADE522F38ACB659@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Or this further along the village street, also not amused by the look of it.



Dave Newbitt.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 11:47:47 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:47:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
Message-ID: <5744e4b2-dff3-3cf0-14b7-930df3f2b092@gmail.com>

It's gone a bit quiet.........

There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, where 
the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.? As I left the 
village, the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot just 
a little.




Surprise!? Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow no 
parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun



37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just another 
way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 56 year of 
driving.? I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent this stuff. It 
doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just annoys me. So, I opt 
for the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of ?100 and three points, 
and look up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - can get a decent coffee. 
No - though it's advertised they are still Covid locked out. So Zoom 
here for 2.5 hours in August.

And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out 
of Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a 
picture for parking illegally.

B



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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Wed Jun  1 12:09:05 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:09:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
In-Reply-To: <5744e4b2-dff3-3cf0-14b7-930df3f2b092@gmail.com>
References: <5744e4b2-dff3-3cf0-14b7-930df3f2b092@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB832AA0-B555-4B24-B97F-6213CBDAF80B@talktalk.net>

Mmm, maddening.

The only thing I would say, having done two face to face speed awareness courses, is that I found them both thought provoking and worthwhile and at least you don?t get points on your licence.

Hugh

> On 1 Jun 2022, at 17:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It's gone a bit quiet.........
> 
> There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, where the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.  As I left the village, the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot just a little. 
> 
> <1.PNG>
> 
> 
> Surprise!  Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow no parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun
> 
> <2.PNG>
> 
> 37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just another way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 56 year of driving.  I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent this stuff. It doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just annoys me. So, I opt for the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of ?100 and three points, and look up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - can get a decent coffee. No - though it's advertised they are still Covid locked out. So Zoom here for 2.5 hours in August.
> 
> And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out of Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a picture for parking illegally.
> 
> B 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jun  1 12:48:44 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:48:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
In-Reply-To: <FB832AA0-B555-4B24-B97F-6213CBDAF80B@talktalk.net>
References: <FB832AA0-B555-4B24-B97F-6213CBDAF80B@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <C44A7480-7B8A-4BC6-A1B4-A9370B4B24ED@mac.com>

The speed awareness course should be mandatory for all drivers. The one I attended was excellent - 18 year olds up to 90!

My niece attended one and promptly got a speeding ticket on the way home! No second bite at the cherry, though - fine and 3 points.

Mike G

> On 1 Jun 2022, at 18:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Mmm, maddening.
> 
> The only thing I would say, having done two face to face speed awareness courses, is that I found them both thought provoking and worthwhile and at least you don?t get points on your licence.
> 
> Hugh
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 17:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> It's gone a bit quiet.........
>> 
>> There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, where the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.  As I left the village, the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot just a little. 
>> 
>> <1.PNG>
>> 
>> 
>> Surprise!  Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow no parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun
>> 
>> <2.PNG>
>> 
>> 37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just another way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 56 year of driving.  I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent this stuff. It doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just annoys me. So, I opt for the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of ?100 and three points, and look up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - can get a decent coffee. No - though it's advertised they are still Covid locked out. So Zoom here for 2.5 hours in August.
>> 
>> And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out of Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a picture for parking illegally.
>> 
>> B 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jun  1 12:51:26 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:51:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
In-Reply-To: <C44A7480-7B8A-4BC6-A1B4-A9370B4B24ED@mac.com>
References: <FB832AA0-B555-4B24-B97F-6213CBDAF80B@talktalk.net>
	<C44A7480-7B8A-4BC6-A1B4-A9370B4B24ED@mac.com>
Message-ID: <711AA62D-A8C1-4AC4-B56A-017EA30A0AFF@icloud.com>

My sister did one and was most annoyed about the misuse of statistics, especially as she was the person at the Road Research Laboratory who had prepared the statistics!

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 Jun 2022, at 18:48, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The speed awareness course should be mandatory for all drivers. The one I attended was excellent - 18 year olds up to 90!
> 
> My niece attended one and promptly got a speeding ticket on the way home! No second bite at the cherry, though - fine and 3 points.
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 18:10, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Mmm, maddening.
>> 
>> The only thing I would say, having done two face to face speed awareness courses, is that I found them both thought provoking and worthwhile and at least you don?t get points on your licence.
>> 
>> Hugh
>> 
>>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 17:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's gone a bit quiet.........
>>> 
>>> There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, where the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.  As I left the village, the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot just a little. 
>>> 
>>> <1.PNG>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Surprise!  Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow no parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun
>>> 
>>> <2.PNG>
>>> 
>>> 37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just another way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 56 year of driving.  I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent this stuff. It doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just annoys me. So, I opt for the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of ?100 and three points, and look up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - can get a decent coffee. No - though it's advertised they are still Covid locked out. So Zoom here for 2.5 hours in August.
>>> 
>>> And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out of Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a picture for parking illegally.
>>> 
>>> B 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Jun  1 13:05:56 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 19:05:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
In-Reply-To: <5744e4b2-dff3-3cf0-14b7-930df3f2b092@gmail.com>
References: <5744e4b2-dff3-3cf0-14b7-930df3f2b092@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f73c5ec-5d82-778e-7ce8-d6c489519727@davesound.co.uk>

I can sympathise? - twice.

First was dropping off an elderly pal at Clapham Junction station, on a 
Sunday about 1830. In the rain. Went to the rear entrance as that is the 
closed to his line. Only place near I could stop near (other than a 
zebra crossing) was the bus stop. One bus every 20 minutes and none in 
sight. But a thick yellow line. And a convenient camera which caught me. 
Stopped for 25 seconds. Appeal failed. So if you can get a pic of that 
chap with speed gun...

Next was 26 mph on Parkside, Wimbledon. A normal London main A road, 
which crosses Wimbledon common. Now 20 mph. The very similar A road 
which crosses my nearer common, Wandsworth, is 30 mph.

It's all about easy money from fines. Try and get police action about 
theft etc - even when caught on camera - and no chance.

Oh - don't get me started on the ULEZ. Many thousands of diesel Mercs, 
BMW, VW etc have their true emissions fiddled by the makers to pass the 
tests. Some say they produce 200 times the emissions allowed. Even when 
in perfect condition. But are allowed to drive in the ULEZ freely.

On 01/06/2022 17:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> It's gone a bit quiet.........
>
> There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, 
> where the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.? As I left 
> the village, the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot 
> just a little.
>
>
>
>
> Surprise!? Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow 
> no parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun
>
>
>
> 37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just 
> another way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 
> 56 year of driving.? I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent 
> this stuff. It doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just 
> annoys me. So, I opt for the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of 
> ?100 and three points, and look up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - 
> can get a decent coffee. No - though it's advertised they are still 
> Covid locked out. So Zoom here for 2.5 hours in August.
>
> And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out 
> of Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a 
> picture for parking illegally.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed Jun  1 13:51:03 2022
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 19:51:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <26318a10-9677-7c09-2037-6cdeb1188886@gmail.com>
References: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
	<26318a10-9677-7c09-2037-6cdeb1188886@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f9ec827e-2f07-ae5d-fa79-756860d3d0fd@howell61.f9.co.uk>

I was going along with the suggestion that it was a resonance between 
the inter-seat screens,

but the effect was also on the chairlady's mic and I don't remember 
seeing any next to her.

I guess we will never know.

John H.

(Hibou)








On 10/04/2022 15:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I've grabbed some audio, attached. Still sounds a bit odd to me, 
> especially on VCM.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>
>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A 
>> strong resonance
>>
>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>
>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, Hitachi 
>> FET power Amps)
>>
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>> John H.
>>
>> (Hibou)
>>
>>
>
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From roybailey100 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 13:59:47 2022
From: roybailey100 at gmail.com (Roy Bailey)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 19:59:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
In-Reply-To: <7f73c5ec-5d82-778e-7ce8-d6c489519727@davesound.co.uk>
References: <5744e4b2-dff3-3cf0-14b7-930df3f2b092@gmail.com>
	<7f73c5ec-5d82-778e-7ce8-d6c489519727@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAEoXqV21H=KEhVbzu_jE=n=EFKwVSE8aNG7Be6vKJMuMQT1tiA@mail.gmail.com>

Coincidentally, I have just received this link to the survey about
extending the ULEZ.
https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/cleanair?cid=email_FINAL_TFL855_ULEZ_expansion_consultation-HeroCTA

Roy

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 19:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I can sympathise  - twice.
>
> First was dropping off an elderly pal at Clapham Junction station, on a
> Sunday about 1830. In the rain. Went to the rear entrance as that is the
> closed to his line. Only place near I could stop near (other than a zebra
> crossing) was the bus stop. One bus every 20 minutes and none in sight. But
> a thick yellow line. And a convenient camera which caught me. Stopped for
> 25 seconds. Appeal failed. So if you can get a pic of that chap with speed
> gun...
>
> Next was 26 mph on Parkside, Wimbledon. A normal London main A road, which
> crosses Wimbledon common. Now 20 mph. The very similar A road which crosses
> my nearer common, Wandsworth, is 30 mph.
>
> It's all about easy money from fines. Try and get police action about
> theft etc - even when caught on camera - and no chance.
>
> Oh - don't get me started on the ULEZ. Many thousands of diesel Mercs,
> BMW, VW etc have their true emissions fiddled by the makers to pass the
> tests. Some say they produce 200 times the emissions allowed. Even when in
> perfect condition. But are allowed to drive in the ULEZ freely.
> On 01/06/2022 17:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> It's gone a bit quiet.........
>
> There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, where
> the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.  As I left the village,
> the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot just a little.
>
>
>
>
> Surprise!  Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow no
> parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun
>
>
>
> 37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just another
> way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 56 year of
> driving.  I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent this stuff. It
> doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just annoys me. So, I opt for
> the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of ?100 and three points, and look
> up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - can get a decent coffee. No - though
> it's advertised they are still Covid locked out. So Zoom here for 2.5 hours
> in August.
>
> And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out of
> Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a picture for
> parking illegally.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 16:41:52 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:41:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
In-Reply-To: <CAEoXqV21H=KEhVbzu_jE=n=EFKwVSE8aNG7Be6vKJMuMQT1tiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5744e4b2-dff3-3cf0-14b7-930df3f2b092@gmail.com>	<7f73c5ec-5d82-778e-7ce8-d6c489519727@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAEoXqV21H=KEhVbzu_jE=n=EFKwVSE8aNG7Be6vKJMuMQT1tiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01d87600$682eba40$388c2ec0$@gmail.com>

I was driving at 36mph through Chalfont St Peter at 5.15am while it was still dark for an early start on a children?s show (Exchange) when a great flash of light from a speed camera on the off-side went off right in my face. There were no other vehicles or pedestrians in sight and I was causing a hazard to no-one. I thought that if I was standing at the side of the road firing a flash gun at oncoming motorists I would get done for it.

I got a fixed penalty fine and three points on my licence which is like a four year sentence as the points count for three but you can?t get a clean licence till four have elapsed.. I consider myself to be a careful and considerate driver and it made me feel like a criminal. That was before there was the option of a speed awareness course instead of points for minor offences which I took advantage of on a later occasion when I got done by a mobile camera. Since then and with the warnings which satnavs give, I?ve manged to avoid getting caught again and I try to keep doggedly to the limit anyway to the annoyance of vehicles following me,

 

Geoff

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Roy Bailey via Tech1
Sent: 01 June 2022 20:00
To: Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ho hum

 

Coincidentally, I have just received this link to the survey about extending the ULEZ. 

https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/cleanair?cid=email_FINAL_TFL855_ULEZ_expansion_consultation-HeroCTA

 

Roy

 

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 19:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

I can sympathise  - twice.

First was dropping off an elderly pal at Clapham Junction station, on a Sunday about 1830. In the rain. Went to the rear entrance as that is the closed to his line. Only place near I could stop near (other than a zebra crossing) was the bus stop. One bus every 20 minutes and none in sight. But a thick yellow line. And a convenient camera which caught me. Stopped for 25 seconds. Appeal failed. So if you can get a pic of that chap with speed gun...

Next was 26 mph on Parkside, Wimbledon. A normal London main A road, which crosses Wimbledon common. Now 20 mph. The very similar A road which crosses my nearer common, Wandsworth, is 30 mph.

It's all about easy money from fines. Try and get police action about theft etc - even when caught on camera - and no chance.

Oh - don't get me started on the ULEZ. Many thousands of diesel Mercs, BMW, VW etc have their true emissions fiddled by the makers to pass the tests. Some say they produce 200 times the emissions allowed. Even when in perfect condition. But are allowed to drive in the ULEZ freely.

On 01/06/2022 17:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

It's gone a bit quiet.........

There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, where the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.  As I left the village, the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot just a little. 




Surprise!  Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow no parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun



37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just another way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 56 year of driving.  I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent this stuff. It doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just annoys me. So, I opt for the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of ?100 and three points, and look up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - can get a decent coffee. No - though it's advertised they are still Covid locked out. So Zoom here for 2.5 hours in August.

And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out of Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a picture for parking illegally.

B 






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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Jun  1 17:59:40 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 23:59:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
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My daily driver is OK. But I also have an old Rover, just as a hobby. At 
the moment I'm outside the ULEZ, but will be inside the extension. And 
it's 1985, so three years before it becomes exempt. I like going to old 
car shows. Usually on the other side of the Thames to me. Before, I'd 
leave early on a weekend morning to get there and cross London. I now 
have to either pay, or divert many miles to the first bridge I can cross.

But it's virtually nothing about emissions - otherwise they'd simply ban 
cars that can't pass regs. It is all about money.

On 01/06/2022 19:59, Roy Bailey wrote:
> Coincidentally, I have just received this link to the survey about 
> extending the ULEZ.
> https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/cleanair?cid=email_FINAL_TFL855_ULEZ_expansion_consultation-HeroCTA
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jun  2 04:55:13 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 09:55:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
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How funny! The instant I saw those pix, and before I read a word of your text, I knew exactly where that is. It?s about 150yds from Burnt Common roundabout where I lived for 35 years!
At that point, you have just passed Send Primary School and Send Infants? schools on your right, neither of which have off-street parking for parents to drop off and collect their kids. Most parents, too lazy to walk them to school, seemingly find it necessary to drive huge diesel tonka toys (it is Surrey, after all!).
On your left, you have just passed the Send Medical Centre, which has a car park, but many of their patients are decrepid old codgers turning in and out, who shouldn?t be driving anyway.
Just hidden behind the trees at the turning to your right, is a large mansion owned by a senior Tory Cabinet Minister, who I happen to know doesn?t like noisy traffic speeding past his tennis court and swimming pool!
150 yds ahead is Burnt Common roundabout. That?s a traffic nightmare at the best of times, with traffic peeling off the A3 in order to rat-run through Ripley village in the hope of jumping the constant queue onto the M25 at Wisley. It?s also the most practical route for Woking-bound traffic exiting the M25 at jct 10 (through Ripley and Send and Old Woking villages).
Huge backhanders got the five pump-lane Shell petrol station moved from further down the road into Ripley, to an utterly ludicrous site right on the roundabout. (Older readers may remember the relative tranquil that was the Happy Eater on that site). Ditto, a large distribution centre the other (right) side of the roundabout - lorry and petrol tanker mayhem day and night. And soon to be 400 new-build housing estate.
And let?s not even mention the hundreds of deafeningly noisy motorbikes heading to Newlands Corner every weekend!
Traffic has steadily increased since we first moved there (obviously), and whereas for all those years we cursed the rat-runners, lorries, motorbikes,  etc., we now are among them! Our only route from the traffic-free haven that we now enjoy, onto the M25 jct 10, is past our old house!
While still in ?The Ware-house?, which directly faced the Shell site, we campaigned hard to get the speed limit from the roundabout reduced to 30mph into Ripley where it is 30 already. We were repeatedly told that there is a mandatory minimum distance between which any changes to speed limits can be. Crap, I say, but there it was.
And finally, as the saying goes: a few years ago during our time there, on the exact bend you see ahead of you, a close friend of my elder son crashed his motorbike one night, with his girlfried on the back. It skidded into the undergrowth, and it took a most of the next day for the emergency services to find her head, still in its helmet.
Stick to the speed limit and stay safe!
Cheers,
Nick.
 Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 1 Jun 2022, at 17:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? It's gone a bit quiet.........

There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, where the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.  As I left the village, the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot just a little.

[1.PNG]


Surprise!  Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow no parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun

[2.PNG]

37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just another way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 56 year of driving.  I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent this stuff. It doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just annoys me. So, I opt for the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of ?100 and three points, and look up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - can get a decent coffee. No - though it's advertised they are still Covid locked out. So Zoom here for 2.5 hours in August.

And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out of Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a picture for parking illegally.

B




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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Thu Jun  2 05:06:58 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 11:06:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ho hum
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Green and pleasant land . . .

> On 2 Jun 2022, at 10:55, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> How funny! The instant I saw those pix, and before I read a word of your text, I knew exactly where that is. It?s about 150yds from Burnt Common roundabout where I lived for 35 years! 
> At that point, you have just passed Send Primary School and Send Infants? schools on your right, neither of which have off-street parking for parents to drop off and collect their kids. Most parents, too lazy to walk them to school, seemingly find it necessary to drive huge diesel tonka toys (it is Surrey, after all!).
> On your left, you have just passed the Send Medical Centre, which has a car park, but many of their patients are decrepid old codgers turning in and out, who shouldn?t be driving anyway.
> Just hidden behind the trees at the turning to your right, is a large mansion owned by a senior Tory Cabinet Minister, who I happen to know doesn?t like noisy traffic speeding past his tennis court and swimming pool!
> 150 yds ahead is Burnt Common roundabout. That?s a traffic nightmare at the best of times, with traffic peeling off the A3 in order to rat-run through Ripley village in the hope of jumping the constant queue onto the M25 at Wisley. It?s also the most practical route for Woking-bound traffic exiting the M25 at jct 10 (through Ripley and Send and Old Woking villages).
> Huge backhanders got the five pump-lane Shell petrol station moved from further down the road into Ripley, to an utterly ludicrous site right on the roundabout. (Older readers may remember the relative tranquil that was the Happy Eater on that site). Ditto, a large distribution centre the other (right) side of the roundabout - lorry and petrol tanker mayhem day and night. And soon to be 400 new-build housing estate.
> And let?s not even mention the hundreds of deafeningly noisy motorbikes heading to Newlands Corner every weekend!
> Traffic has steadily increased since we first moved there (obviously), and whereas for all those years we cursed the rat-runners, lorries, motorbikes,  etc., we now are among them! Our only route from the traffic-free haven that we now enjoy, onto the M25 jct 10, is past our old house!
> While still in ?The Ware-house?, which directly faced the Shell site, we campaigned hard to get the speed limit from the roundabout reduced to 30mph into Ripley where it is 30 already. We were repeatedly told that there is a mandatory minimum distance between which any changes to speed limits can be. Crap, I say, but there it was.
> And finally, as the saying goes: a few years ago during our time there, on the exact bend you see ahead of you, a close friend of my elder son crashed his motorbike one night, with his girlfried on the back. It skidded into the undergrowth, and it took a most of the next day for the emergency services to find her head, still in its helmet. 
> Stick to the speed limit and stay safe!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>  Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 17:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> ? It's gone a bit quiet.........
>> 
>> There I was gently driving south on the A247 out of Send village, where the speed limit is sensibly 30 and I was doing it.  As I left the village, the road widened, the houses went away. I relaxed my foot just a little. 
>> 
>> <1.PNG>
>> 
>> 
>> Surprise!  Just round the bend, in a bus stop with a prominent yellow no parking line, was parked an eager chap with a speed gun
>> 
>> <2.PNG>
>> 
>> 37mph in a 30 limit. I'm an incredibly dangerous driver! Or just another way of upping statistics and collecting money. First time in 56 year of driving.  I'm certainly an evil criminal, but I do resent this stuff. It doesn't make me a newly reformed citizen, it just annoys me. So, I opt for the ?85 speed awareness course, instead of ?100 and three points, and look up places. Oh - The Hogs Back Hotel - can get a decent coffee. No - though it's advertised they are still Covid locked out. So Zoom here for 2.5 hours in August.
>> 
>> And the moral of this tale, is - if you are sending yourself south out of Send, stop just past the lay by and take his registration and a picture for parking illegally.
>> 
>> B 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jun  2 17:16:09 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 23:16:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.

This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.

We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond  about 150 metres away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending towards that pond.

Alan

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From phider at gmx.com  Fri Jun  3 01:04:50 2022
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2022 07:04:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW: RE:  For those who like big birds
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-------- Original message --------From: phider <phider at gmx.com> Date: 03/06/2022  07:03  (GMT+00:00) To: Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> Subject: RE: [Tech1] For those who like big birds Hi AlanThe only similar behaviour I can recall is that of storks who make their nests on chimneypots in Denmark.? Maybe he's looking for a chimney?The storks also nest on electricity poles on the continent although how they teach their young not to straddle the live and return defeats me.Happy JubblyPeterSent from my Galaxy-------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 02/06/2022  23:16  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond? about 150 metres away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending towards that pond.Alan
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Jun  3 02:35:01 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 08:35:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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We used to get these around here from the River Brent and the Canal. WE once 
had some goldfish in our little pond but they soon found those. A neighbour 
has t keep a cover over his pond. Replaced the goldfish with sticklebacks 
(abducted from the canal) and that put paid to the herons who don't like 
spiky things stuck in their throats.
And all this in Sunny built-up part of Ealing!
Been replaced by swarms of pigeons and seagulls (I guess when it is rough at 
sea). No peace.

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:16 PM
To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds

We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.

This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and then 
goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a heron, but it?s 
a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in flight, wading in water, 
or stood at the water?s edge.

We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours do, 
but there is what was once a medieval fishpond  about 150 metres away and we 
sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending towards that pond.

Alan















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From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  3 03:58:03 2022
From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 08:58:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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Bad bird sight of the day yesterday: herring gull trying to swallow a 
juvenile starling, head first. The starling was still struggling! The 
gull flew off with the starling still flapping fruitlessly...

Our garden is currently full of baby starlings: the parents dump them 
here for easy feeding. The noise level is deafening.

John Nottage

On 03/06/2022 07:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> We used to get these around here from the River Brent and the Canal. WE 
> once had some goldfish in our little pond but they soon found those. A 
> neighbour has t keep a cover over his pond. Replaced the goldfish with 
> sticklebacks (abducted from the canal) and that put paid to the herons 
> who don't like spiky things stuck in their throats.
> And all this in Sunny built-up part of Ealing!
> Been replaced by swarms of pigeons and seagulls (I guess when it is 
> rough at sea). No peace.
> 
> Mike
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:16 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
> 
> We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.
> 
> This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and 
> then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a 
> heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in 
> flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.
> 
> We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours 
> do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond? about 150 metres 
> away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending 
> towards that pond.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jun  3 04:49:15 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 10:49:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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The common gulls of Looe are famous for their ability to snatch pasties 
and ice-creams from tourists.

Their aerobatic skill has to be seen and admired. Their preferred 
approach is a low diving one from the rear right - tourists hold 
ice-creams in their left hand and away from the body to avoid drips on 
their clothes. The gulls bank hard as they go over the shoulder, 
side-slip superbly to cut the speed right down, and grab the ice-cream 
as one wing stalls. Then a couple of power flaps to reach a decent 
flying speed again and they are off. It is so fast that few people can 
react quickly enough to thwart them. They can handle complete cones, and 
even the weight of a pasty, which is significant.

They use a totally different method for fish and chips - more of the 
Stuka approach from the above, with wings flapping full vertical stretch 
in a controlled stall and plenty of scary noise to startle. The tourist 
instinctively backs their head and torso, leaving the fish and chips 
fully exposed, and beakful is snatched.

If you manage to grab everything towards you, out of snatch range, 10:1 
they will crap on you, also with great accuracy.

Chris



On 03/06/2022 09:58, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
> Bad bird sight of the day yesterday: herring gull trying to swallow a 
> juvenile starling, head first. The starling was still struggling! The 
> gull flew off with the starling still flapping fruitlessly...
>
> Our garden is currently full of baby starlings: the parents dump them 
> here for easy feeding. The noise level is deafening.
>
> John Nottage
>
> On 03/06/2022 07:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>> We used to get these around here from the River Brent and the Canal. 
>> WE once had some goldfish in our little pond but they soon found 
>> those. A neighbour has t keep a cover over his pond. Replaced the 
>> goldfish with sticklebacks (abducted from the canal) and that put 
>> paid to the herons who don't like spiky things stuck in their throats.
>> And all this in Sunny built-up part of Ealing!
>> Been replaced by swarms of pigeons and seagulls (I guess when it is 
>> rough at sea). No peace.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:16 PM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
>>
>> We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.
>>
>> This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while 
>> and then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for 
>> a heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in 
>> flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.
>>
>> We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours 
>> do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond about 150 metres 
>> away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending 
>> towards that pond.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Jun  3 05:14:44 2022
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 11:14:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war gravel 
pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are 
north of the border!)

Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which had 
been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron from the 
loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, except the heron 
from time to time, would take to perching on our roof and doing low 
swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our neighbours. It soon 
gave up.

Dave Buckley

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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Jun  3 05:37:12 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 11:37:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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A superb and, predictably, technically accurate description of the raiding skills and methods of Cornish gulls.

I can confirm their Devonian rivals are similarly able!

> On 3 Jun 2022, at 10:49, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The common gulls of Looe are famous for their ability to snatch pasties and ice-creams from tourists.
> 
> Their aerobatic skill has to be seen and admired. Their preferred approach is a low diving one from the rear right - tourists hold ice-creams in their left hand and away from the body to avoid drips on their clothes. The gulls bank hard as they go over the shoulder, side-slip superbly to cut the speed right down, and grab the ice-cream as one wing stalls. Then a couple of power flaps to reach a decent flying speed again and they are off. It is so fast that few people can react quickly enough to thwart them. They can handle complete cones, and even the weight of a pasty, which is significant.
> 
> They use a totally different method for fish and chips - more of the Stuka approach from the above, with wings flapping full vertical stretch in a controlled stall and plenty of scary noise to startle. The tourist instinctively backs their head and torso, leaving the fish and chips fully exposed, and beakful is snatched.
> 
> If you manage to grab everything towards you, out of snatch range, 10:1 they will crap on you, also with great accuracy.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/06/2022 09:58, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
>> Bad bird sight of the day yesterday: herring gull trying to swallow a juvenile starling, head first. The starling was still struggling! The gull flew off with the starling still flapping fruitlessly...
>> 
>> Our garden is currently full of baby starlings: the parents dump them here for easy feeding. The noise level is deafening.
>> 
>> John Nottage
>> 
>> On 03/06/2022 07:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>> We used to get these around here from the River Brent and the Canal. WE once had some goldfish in our little pond but they soon found those. A neighbour has t keep a cover over his pond. Replaced the goldfish with sticklebacks (abducted from the canal) and that put paid to the herons who don't like spiky things stuck in their throats.
>>> And all this in Sunny built-up part of Ealing!
>>> Been replaced by swarms of pigeons and seagulls (I guess when it is rough at sea). No peace.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:16 PM
>>> To: tech1
>>> Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
>>> 
>>> We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.
>>> 
>>> This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.
>>> 
>>> We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond about 150 metres away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending towards that pond.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun  3 05:43:38 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 11:43:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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The suggestion that the heron might be looking for a chimney is probably unlikely as although the picture doesn?t show it, there is a chimney just out of frame.  When we had the flue reclined for a wood burner and a new chimney cap installed, Janet did say that it looked ideal for storks to nest on like they do in Germany, but I told her that storks and cranes are rare in this part of the world.  This heron doesn?t look like it?s planning to stay, just admiring the view. We?ve been in Germany while thousands of cranes have been flying over, presumably doing a seasonal migration.  It?s a very impressive sight.  

At my previous house I built a wildlife pond about twenty years ago and initially populated it with a variety of fish, mostly comet tailed goldfish.  

One day I was excited to see a heron in the garden, but my excitement was tempered by the fact that every time the heron dipped its beak in the pond, it came out with ?5 worth of comet tailed goldfish.

We decided against netting the pond as there were too many tall plants to make it viable without being unsightly, but instead set up a couple of rows of fishing line trip wires a little above ground level, which made fishing sufficiently annoying that the heron no longer troubled us.  Once it had proved its effectiveness, I redesigned the supports so that most of it could be easily lifted away when we were using the garden and could be swiftly replaced afterwards.

Alan



> On 3 Jun 2022, at 11:15, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war gravel pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are north of the border!)
> 
> Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which had been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron from the loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, except the heron from time to time, would take to perching on our roof and doing low swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our neighbours. It soon gave up.
> 
> Dave Buckley
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun  3 05:45:28 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 11:45:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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**Re-lined**

A reclined flue might make the house smoky!

> On 3 Jun 2022, at 11:43, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The suggestion that the heron might be looking for a chimney is probably unlikely as although the picture doesn?t show it, there is a chimney just out of frame.  When we had the flue reclined for a wood burner and a new chimney cap installed, Janet did say that it looked ideal for storks to nest on like they do in Germany, but I told her that storks and cranes are rare in this part of the world.  This heron doesn?t look like it?s planning to stay, just admiring the view. We?ve been in Germany while thousands of cranes have been flying over, presumably doing a seasonal migration.  It?s a very impressive sight.  
> 
> At my previous house I built a wildlife pond about twenty years ago and initially populated it with a variety of fish, mostly comet tailed goldfish.  
> 
> One day I was excited to see a heron in the garden, but my excitement was tempered by the fact that every time the heron dipped its beak in the pond, it came out with ?5 worth of comet tailed goldfish.
> 
> We decided against netting the pond as there were too many tall plants to make it viable without being unsightly, but instead set up a couple of rows of fishing line trip wires a little above ground level, which made fishing sufficiently annoying that the heron no longer troubled us.  Once it had proved its effectiveness, I redesigned the supports so that most of it could be easily lifted away when we were using the garden and could be swiftly replaced afterwards.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2022, at 11:15, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war gravel pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are north of the border!)
>> 
>> Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which had been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron from the loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, except the heron from time to time, would take to perching on our roof and doing low swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our neighbours. It soon gave up.
>> 
>> Dave Buckley
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jun  3 06:17:41 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:17:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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Ah, but do the Devonian gulls know which way up the cream and jam go on 
the splits?? ;}

Chris


On 03/06/2022 11:37, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
> A superb and, predictably, technically accurate description of the raiding skills and methods of Cornish gulls.
>
> I can confirm their Devonian rivals are similarly able!
>
>> On 3 Jun 2022, at 10:49, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> The common gulls of Looe are famous for their ability to snatch pasties and ice-creams from tourists.
>>
>> Their aerobatic skill has to be seen and admired. Their preferred approach is a low diving one from the rear right - tourists hold ice-creams in their left hand and away from the body to avoid drips on their clothes. The gulls bank hard as they go over the shoulder, side-slip superbly to cut the speed right down, and grab the ice-cream as one wing stalls. Then a couple of power flaps to reach a decent flying speed again and they are off. It is so fast that few people can react quickly enough to thwart them. They can handle complete cones, and even the weight of a pasty, which is significant.
>>
>> They use a totally different method for fish and chips - more of the Stuka approach from the above, with wings flapping full vertical stretch in a controlled stall and plenty of scary noise to startle. The tourist instinctively backs their head and torso, leaving the fish and chips fully exposed, and beakful is snatched.
>>
>> If you manage to grab everything towards you, out of snatch range, 10:1 they will crap on you, also with great accuracy.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/06/2022 09:58, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Bad bird sight of the day yesterday: herring gull trying to swallow a juvenile starling, head first. The starling was still struggling! The gull flew off with the starling still flapping fruitlessly...
>>>
>>> Our garden is currently full of baby starlings: the parents dump them here for easy feeding. The noise level is deafening.
>>>
>>> John Nottage
>>>
>>> On 03/06/2022 07:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> We used to get these around here from the River Brent and the Canal. WE once had some goldfish in our little pond but they soon found those. A neighbour has t keep a cover over his pond. Replaced the goldfish with sticklebacks (abducted from the canal) and that put paid to the herons who don't like spiky things stuck in their throats.
>>>> And all this in Sunny built-up part of Ealing!
>>>> Been replaced by swarms of pigeons and seagulls (I guess when it is rough at sea). No peace.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:16 PM
>>>> To: tech1
>>>> Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
>>>>
>>>> We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.
>>>>
>>>> This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.
>>>>
>>>> We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond about 150 metres away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending towards that pond.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jun  3 06:25:28 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 11:25:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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There?s a Seagull on the secluded beach we like to go to in Menorca. We?re convinced it?s the same guy every time. We call him Sqwark. He comes right up close and stares us out as we tuck into our picnic lunch. He?s smart enough to recognise a soft touch when he sees one (me), because he?s never tried to snatch anything. I chuck him a piece of whatever it might be and it lands in the sand. He scowls, picks up the scrap, and trots to the water?s edge to rinse the sand off before guzzling it. Clever guy!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

> On 3 Jun 2022, at 11:37, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?A superb and, predictably, technically accurate description of the raiding skills and methods of Cornish gulls.
> 
> I can confirm their Devonian rivals are similarly able!
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2022, at 10:49, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> The common gulls of Looe are famous for their ability to snatch pasties and ice-creams from tourists.
>> 
>> Their aerobatic skill has to be seen and admired. Their preferred approach is a low diving one from the rear right - tourists hold ice-creams in their left hand and away from the body to avoid drips on their clothes. The gulls bank hard as they go over the shoulder, side-slip superbly to cut the speed right down, and grab the ice-cream as one wing stalls. Then a couple of power flaps to reach a decent flying speed again and they are off. It is so fast that few people can react quickly enough to thwart them. They can handle complete cones, and even the weight of a pasty, which is significant.
>> 
>> They use a totally different method for fish and chips - more of the Stuka approach from the above, with wings flapping full vertical stretch in a controlled stall and plenty of scary noise to startle. The tourist instinctively backs their head and torso, leaving the fish and chips fully exposed, and beakful is snatched.
>> 
>> If you manage to grab everything towards you, out of snatch range, 10:1 they will crap on you, also with great accuracy.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 03/06/2022 09:58, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Bad bird sight of the day yesterday: herring gull trying to swallow a juvenile starling, head first. The starling was still struggling! The gull flew off with the starling still flapping fruitlessly...
>>> 
>>> Our garden is currently full of baby starlings: the parents dump them here for easy feeding. The noise level is deafening.
>>> 
>>> John Nottage
>>> 
>>> On 03/06/2022 07:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> We used to get these around here from the River Brent and the Canal. WE once had some goldfish in our little pond but they soon found those. A neighbour has t keep a cover over his pond. Replaced the goldfish with sticklebacks (abducted from the canal) and that put paid to the herons who don't like spiky things stuck in their throats.
>>>> And all this in Sunny built-up part of Ealing!
>>>> Been replaced by swarms of pigeons and seagulls (I guess when it is rough at sea). No peace.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:16 PM
>>>> To: tech1
>>>> Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
>>>> 
>>>> We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.
>>>> 
>>>> This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.
>>>> 
>>>> We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond about 150 metres away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending towards that pond.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Jun  3 06:39:12 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:39:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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I daresay they do, but once ?tis in their gizzards . . .

Best,

Hugh

> On 3 Jun 2022, at 12:17, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Ah, but do the Devonian gulls know which way up the cream and jam go on the splits?  ;}
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On 03/06/2022 11:37, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote:
>> A superb and, predictably, technically accurate description of the raiding skills and methods of Cornish gulls.
>> 
>> I can confirm their Devonian rivals are similarly able!
>> 
>>> On 3 Jun 2022, at 10:49, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The common gulls of Looe are famous for their ability to snatch pasties and ice-creams from tourists.
>>> 
>>> Their aerobatic skill has to be seen and admired. Their preferred approach is a low diving one from the rear right - tourists hold ice-creams in their left hand and away from the body to avoid drips on their clothes. The gulls bank hard as they go over the shoulder, side-slip superbly to cut the speed right down, and grab the ice-cream as one wing stalls. Then a couple of power flaps to reach a decent flying speed again and they are off. It is so fast that few people can react quickly enough to thwart them. They can handle complete cones, and even the weight of a pasty, which is significant.
>>> 
>>> They use a totally different method for fish and chips - more of the Stuka approach from the above, with wings flapping full vertical stretch in a controlled stall and plenty of scary noise to startle. The tourist instinctively backs their head and torso, leaving the fish and chips fully exposed, and beakful is snatched.
>>> 
>>> If you manage to grab everything towards you, out of snatch range, 10:1 they will crap on you, also with great accuracy.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/06/2022 09:58, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Bad bird sight of the day yesterday: herring gull trying to swallow a juvenile starling, head first. The starling was still struggling! The gull flew off with the starling still flapping fruitlessly...
>>>> 
>>>> Our garden is currently full of baby starlings: the parents dump them here for easy feeding. The noise level is deafening.
>>>> 
>>>> John Nottage
>>>> 
>>>> On 03/06/2022 07:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> We used to get these around here from the River Brent and the Canal. WE once had some goldfish in our little pond but they soon found those. A neighbour has t keep a cover over his pond. Replaced the goldfish with sticklebacks (abducted from the canal) and that put paid to the herons who don't like spiky things stuck in their throats.
>>>>> And all this in Sunny built-up part of Ealing!
>>>>> Been replaced by swarms of pigeons and seagulls (I guess when it is rough at sea). No peace.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:16 PM
>>>>> To: tech1
>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
>>>>> 
>>>>> We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond about 150 metres away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending towards that pond.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  3 11:00:08 2022
From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:00:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
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There was a herring gull on Sark, eyeing up our lunch. I had a 
microcassette recorder with me at the time. I recorded his swearing & 
played it back to him. He gave me a very offended look & flew away!

John Nottage

On 03/06/2022 11:25, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> There?s a Seagull on the secluded beach we like to go to in Menorca. We?re convinced it?s the same guy every time. We call him Sqwark. He comes right up close and stares us out as we tuck into our picnic lunch. He?s smart enough to recognise a soft touch when he sees one (me), because he?s never tried to snatch anything. I chuck him a piece of whatever it might be and it lands in the sand. He scowls, picks up the scrap, and trots to the water?s edge to rinse the sand off before guzzling it. Clever guy!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2022, at 11:37, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?A superb and, predictably, technically accurate description of the raiding skills and methods of Cornish gulls.
>>
>> I can confirm their Devonian rivals are similarly able!
>>
>>> On 3 Jun 2022, at 10:49, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> The common gulls of Looe are famous for their ability to snatch pasties and ice-creams from tourists.
>>>
>>> Their aerobatic skill has to be seen and admired. Their preferred approach is a low diving one from the rear right - tourists hold ice-creams in their left hand and away from the body to avoid drips on their clothes. The gulls bank hard as they go over the shoulder, side-slip superbly to cut the speed right down, and grab the ice-cream as one wing stalls. Then a couple of power flaps to reach a decent flying speed again and they are off. It is so fast that few people can react quickly enough to thwart them. They can handle complete cones, and even the weight of a pasty, which is significant.
>>>
>>> They use a totally different method for fish and chips - more of the Stuka approach from the above, with wings flapping full vertical stretch in a controlled stall and plenty of scary noise to startle. The tourist instinctively backs their head and torso, leaving the fish and chips fully exposed, and beakful is snatched.
>>>
>>> If you manage to grab everything towards you, out of snatch range, 10:1 they will crap on you, also with great accuracy.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 03/06/2022 09:58, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Bad bird sight of the day yesterday: herring gull trying to swallow a juvenile starling, head first. The starling was still struggling! The gull flew off with the starling still flapping fruitlessly...
>>>>
>>>> Our garden is currently full of baby starlings: the parents dump them here for easy feeding. The noise level is deafening.
>>>>
>>>> John Nottage
>>>>
>>>> On 03/06/2022 07:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> We used to get these around here from the River Brent and the Canal. WE once had some goldfish in our little pond but they soon found those. A neighbour has t keep a cover over his pond. Replaced the goldfish with sticklebacks (abducted from the canal) and that put paid to the herons who don't like spiky things stuck in their throats.
>>>>> And all this in Sunny built-up part of Ealing!
>>>>> Been replaced by swarms of pigeons and seagulls (I guess when it is rough at sea). No peace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2022 11:16 PM
>>>>> To: tech1
>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] For those who like big birds
>>>>>
>>>>> We?ve started getting a new visitor at our house.
>>>>>
>>>>> This heron comes along, sits on the roof looking around for a while and then goes on its way. I?ve no idea if that?s normal behaviour for a heron, but it?s a new one on me. I?ve only previously seen them in flight, wading in water, or stood at the water?s edge.
>>>>>
>>>>> We don?t have a pond at this house and none of the nearest neighbours do, but there is what was once a medieval fishpond about 150 metres away and we sometimes see heron, ducks, geese and swans descending towards that pond.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  4 05:34:13 2022
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:34:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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In the 90s when I travelled to/from Westminster by train past Purley, in 
one of the back gardens was a fish-pond with a model heron standing at 
the edge.  Heron are very territorial and wouldn't dare encroach on 
another's patch, apparently, so the fish were safe.  The owner 
periodically moved the fake heron to another position so the real ones 
didn't cotton on to the deception.

Best wishes  .....  Vern Dyer

------ Original Message ------
From: "Dave Buckley via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: Friday, 3 Jun, 22 At 11:14
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war gravel 
pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are 
north of the border!)
Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which had 
been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron from the 
loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, except the heron 
from time to time, would take to perching on our roof and doing low 
swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our neighbours. It soon 
gave up.
Dave Buckley

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Jun  4 05:38:58 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 11:38:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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In the Vondelpark in Amsterdam we crossed a little bridge over a stream, 
and saw a model heron poised to strike a couple of metres away... and 
then it moved!


Amazing - they are so used to being treated kindly that they have no 
fear there.


Chris Woolf


On 04/06/2022 11:34, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
> In the 90s when I travelled to/from Westminster by train past Purley, 
> in one of the back gardens was a fish-pond with a model heron standing 
> at the edge. Heron are very territorial and wouldn't dare encroach on 
> another's patch, apparently, so the fish were safe. The owner 
> periodically moved the fake heron to another position so the real ones 
> didn't cotton on to the deception.
>
>
> Best wishes ..... Vern Dyer
>
>
>     ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dave Buckley via Tech1"
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Friday, 3
>     Jun, 22 At 11:14 Subject: [Tech1] Herons About a quarter of a mile
>     from our house is a worked out post-war gravel pit which has been
>     turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are north of the
>     border!) Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby'
>     fish, which had been born in our pond, has disappeared. The
>     culprit was a heron from the loch, so we netted the pond and had
>     no more problems, except the heron from time to time, would take
>     to perching on our roof and doing low swoops over the pond much to
>     the amusement of our neighbours. It soon gave up. Dave Buckley 
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jun  4 06:00:58 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 12:00:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
In-Reply-To: <c1d7cbe4-f8f2-ca51-656e-0c0884414952@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Heron in the streets of Amsterdam:
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 4 Jun 2022, at 11:38, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In the Vondelpark in Amsterdam we crossed a little bridge over a stream, and saw a model heron poised to strike a couple of metres away... and then it moved!
> 
> 
> 
> Amazing - they are so used to being treated kindly that they have no fear there.
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/06/2022 11:34, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>> In the 90s when I travelled to/from Westminster by train past Purley, in one of the back gardens was a fish-pond with a model heron standing at the edge. Heron are very territorial and wouldn't dare encroach on another's patch, apparently, so the fish were safe. The owner periodically moved the fake heron to another position so the real ones didn't cotton on to the deception.
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes ..... Vern Dyer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Dave Buckley via Tech1" 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> 
>> To: 
>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, 3 Jun, 22 At 11:14
>> Subject: [Tech1] Herons
>> 
>> About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war gravel pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are north of the border!)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which had been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron from the loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, except the heron from time to time, would take to perching on our roof and doing low swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our neighbours. It soon gave up.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Buckley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Jun  4 06:06:40 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 12:06:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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Wonderful!?? They are such elegant birds.

And sadly I'd expect the Brits would just throw stones at them in that 
situation.

Chris


On 04/06/2022 12:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Heron in the streets of Amsterdam:
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 4 Jun 2022, at 11:38, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> In the Vondelpark in Amsterdam we crossed a little bridge over a 
>> stream, and saw a model heron poised to strike a couple of metres 
>> away... and then it moved!
>>
>>
>>
>> Amazing - they are so used to being treated kindly that they have no 
>> fear there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/06/2022 11:34, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>>> In the 90s when I travelled to/from Westminster by train past 
>>> Purley, in one of the back gardens was a fish-pond with a model 
>>> heron standing at the edge. Heron are very territorial?and wouldn't 
>>> dare encroach on another's patch, apparently, so the fish were safe. 
>>> The owner periodically moved the fake heron to another position so 
>>> the real ones didn't cotton on to?the deception.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes ..... Vern Dyer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Dave Buckley via Tech1"
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>
>>> To:
>>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, 3 Jun, 22 At 11:14
>>> Subject: [Tech1] Herons
>>>
>>> About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war 
>>> gravel pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather 
>>> loch, as we are north of the border!)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which 
>>> had been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron 
>>> from the loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, 
>>> except the heron from time to time, would take to perching on our 
>>> roof and doing low swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our 
>>> neighbours. It soon gave up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Buckley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> -- 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun  4 06:40:42 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 12:40:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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As Chris implies, our herons are generally pretty wary. This one was on the Bridgwater & Taunton Canal in Nov 2019 but even though I was on the towpath on the opposite bank I stalked slowly and carefully as, from past experience, I knew it would readily spook.



Dave Newbitt.

From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2022 12:06 PM
To: Graeme Wall 
Cc: Tech ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Herons

Wonderful!   They are such elegant birds. 


And sadly I'd expect the Brits would just throw stones at them in that situation.

Chris


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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun  4 06:47:57 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 12:47:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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> And sadly I'd expect the Brits would just throw stones at them in that situation.
> 

It?s terns that people always chuck rocks at, hence the expression ?no tern unstoned?.

Having been to visit the Farne Islands to see the puffins and had to run the gauntlet of terns attacking the visitors, I could see some merit in throwing stones at one or two of them, but no harm was done and it made for a highly memorable experience.

Alan



> On 4 Jun 2022, at 12:07, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Wonderful!   They are such elegant birds. 
> 
> And sadly I'd expect the Brits would just throw stones at them in that situation.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
>> On 04/06/2022 12:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> Heron in the streets of Amsterdam:
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2022, at 11:38, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the Vondelpark in Amsterdam we crossed a little bridge over a stream, and saw a model heron poised to strike a couple of metres away... and then it moved!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Amazing - they are so used to being treated kindly that they have no fear there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 04/06/2022 11:34, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> In the 90s when I travelled to/from Westminster by train past Purley, in one of the back gardens was a fish-pond with a model heron standing at the edge. Heron are very territorial and wouldn't dare encroach on another's patch, apparently, so the fish were safe. The owner periodically moved the fake heron to another position so the real ones didn't cotton on to the deception.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes ..... Vern Dyer
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Dave Buckley via Tech1" 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> 
>>>> To: 
>>>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Friday, 3 Jun, 22 At 11:14
>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Herons
>>>> 
>>>> About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war gravel pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are north of the border!)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which had been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron from the loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, except the heron from time to time, would take to perching on our roof and doing low swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our neighbours. It soon gave up.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Buckley
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  4 10:17:56 2022
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 15:17:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] just posted on Facebook...
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Anyone recognise the cameraman?
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun  4 10:18:48 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 16:18:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] just posted on Facebook...
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My guess is that if it was a London OB, it might be a young Barry Chaston. 

Any idea what the event was?  It looks to have been taken about 50 years ago if it was a London colour OB prior to EMI 2001 cameras.

Alan



> On 4 Jun 2022, at 16:12, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Anyone recognise the cameraman?
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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  4 11:00:34 2022
From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (SUSAN MALDEN)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 17:00:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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Can I ask what you guys thought of the camera work on the BBC floating 
"studio" where Kirsyt did her interviewing?
I felt quite seasick by the end!!

Thanks  Sue

------ Original Message ------
From: "Chris Woolf via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "Graeme Wall" <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
Cc: "Tech ops" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, 4 Jun, 22 At 12:06
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Herons

Wonderful!   They are such elegant birds.

And sadly I'd expect the Brits would just throw stones at them in 
that situation.
Chris

On 04/06/2022 12:00, Graeme Wall wrote:

                    Heron in the streets of Amsterdam:

?
          Graeme Wall




        On 4 Jun 2022, at 11:38, Chris         Woolf via Tech1 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> >         wrote:

          In the Vondelpark in Amsterdam we crossed a little bridge over 
a         stream, and saw a model heron poised to strike a couple of 
metres away... and then it moved!



          Amazing - they are so used to being treated kindly that they 
have no fear there.



          Chris Woolf



          On 04/06/2022 11:34, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
          In the 90s when I travelled to/from Westminster by 
train past Purley, in one of the back gardens was a fish-pond 
with a model heron standing at the edge. Heron are very 
territorial and wouldn't dare encroach on another's patch, 
apparently, so the fish were safe. The owner periodically 
moved the fake heron to another position so the real ones 
didn't cotton on to the deception.


            Best wishes ..... Vern Dyer







------ Original Message ------

From: "Dave Buckley via Tech1"
            <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> >


To:
            tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>


Sent: Friday, 3 Jun, 22 At 11:14

Subject: [Tech1] Herons



About a quarter of a mile from our house is a             worked out 
post-war gravel pit which has been turned into a             fishing 
lake (or rather loch, as we are north of the             border!)







Some years ago we became aware that some of our             'baby' fish, 
which had been born in our pond, has             disappeared. The 
culprit was a heron from the loch, so we             netted the pond and 
had no more problems, except the heron             from time to time, 
would take to perching on our roof and             doing low swoops over 
the pond much to the amusement of our             neighbours. It soon 
gave up.







Dave Buckley





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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jun  4 12:53:33 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 18:53:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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Why does the b??y wide shot camera have to keep moving! It?s pointless and distracting and totally destroys the mood.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 4 Jun 2022, at 17:00, SUSAN MALDEN <sue.malden at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Can I ask what you guys thought of the camera work on the BBC floating "studio" where Kirsyt did her interviewing?
> I felt quite seasick by the end!!
> 
> Thanks Sue
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Chris Woolf via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: "Graeme Wall" <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
> Cc: "Tech ops" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, 4 Jun, 22 At 12:06
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Herons
> 
> Wonderful!   They are such elegant birds. 
>      
> And sadly I'd expect the Brits would just throw stones at them in       that situation.
> Chris
> 
>      
>      
> On 04/06/2022 12:00, Graeme Wall wrote:
>      
>      
>               Heron in the streets of Amsterdam:
>        
> ? 
>          Graeme Wall
>          
>        
>        
> <Heron.jpg>
>        
>        
> On 4 Jun 2022, at 11:38, Chris         Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>         wrote:
>          
>          In the Vondelpark in Amsterdam we crossed a little bridge over a         stream, and saw a model heron poised to strike a couple of         metres away... and then it moved!
>          
>          
>          
>          Amazing - they are so used to being treated kindly that they         have no fear there.
>          
>          
>          
>          Chris Woolf
>          
>          
>          
>          On 04/06/2022 11:34, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>          
> In the 90s when I travelled to/from Westminster by train past Purley, in one of the back gardens was a fish-pond with a model heron standing at the edge. Heron are very territorial and wouldn't dare encroach on another's patch, apparently, so the fish were safe. The owner periodically moved the fake heron to another position so the real ones didn't cotton on to the deception.
> 
> 
> Best wishes ..... Vern Dyer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Dave Buckley via Tech1" 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> 
> To: 
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> Sent: Friday, 3 Jun, 22 At 11:14
> Subject: [Tech1] Herons
> 
> About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war gravel pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are north of the border!)
> 
> 
> 
> Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which had been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron from the loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, except the heron from time to time, would take to perching on our roof and doing low swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our neighbours. It soon gave up.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Buckley
> 
> 
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From chriseames1944 at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  4 15:28:39 2022
From: chriseames1944 at btinternet.com (Chris Eames)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 21:28:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] just posted in Facebook
Message-ID: <CED0FA88-2611-4A17-A94B-BB52C06AE876@btinternet.com>

Looks like a youthful Roger Prior. However, the PC80?s later went to Manchester, so could be a northern gentleman. 

Chris Eames. 

Anyone recognise the cameraman?
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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  4 18:17:48 2022
From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (sue.malden)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2022 00:17:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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I quite agree GrahamI presumed it had to be an automated camera !Cheers SueSent from Samsung Mobile on O2
-------- Original message --------From: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> Date: 04/06/2022  18:53  (GMT+00:00) To: SUSAN MALDEN <sue.malden at btinternet.com> Cc: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk, Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Herons Why does the b??y wide shot camera have to keep moving! It?s pointless and distracting and totally destroys the mood.? Graeme Wall> On 4 Jun 2022, at 17:00, SUSAN MALDEN <sue.malden at btinternet.com> wrote:> > Can I ask what you guys thought of the camera work on the BBC floating "studio" where Kirsyt did her interviewing?> I felt quite seasick by the end!!> > Thanks Sue> > > > ------ Original Message ------> From: "Chris Woolf via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> To: "Graeme Wall" <graeme.wall at icloud.com>> Cc: "Tech ops" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, 4 Jun, 22 At 12:06> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Herons> > Wonderful!?? They are such elegant birds. >????? > And sadly I'd expect the Brits would just throw stones at them in?????? that situation.> Chris> >????? >????? > On 04/06/2022 12:00, Graeme Wall wrote:>????? >????? >?????????????? Heron in the streets of Amsterdam:>??????? > ? >????????? Graeme Wall>????????? >??????? >??????? > <Heron.jpg>>??????? >??????? > On 4 Jun 2022, at 11:38, Chris???????? Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>???????? wrote:>????????? >????????? In the Vondelpark in Amsterdam we crossed a little bridge over a???????? stream, and saw a model heron poised to strike a couple of???????? metres away... and then it moved!>????????? >????????? >????????? >????????? Amazing - they are so used to being treated kindly that they???????? have no fear there.>????????? >????????? >????????? >????????? Chris Woolf>????????? >????????? >????????? >????????? On 04/06/2022 11:34, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:>????????? > In the 90s when I travelled to/from Westminster by train past Purley, in one of the back gardens was a fish-pond with a model heron standing at the edge. Heron are very territorial and wouldn't dare encroach on another's patch, apparently, so the fish were safe. The owner periodically moved the fake heron to another position so the real ones didn't cotton on to the deception.> > > Best wishes ..... Vern Dyer> > > > > ------ Original Message ------> From: "Dave Buckley via Tech1" > <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > > To: > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > Sent: Friday, 3 Jun, 22 At 11:14> Subject: [Tech1] Herons> > About a quarter of a mile from our house is a worked out post-war gravel pit which has been turned into a fishing lake (or rather loch, as we are north of the border!)> > > > Some years ago we became aware that some of our 'baby' fish, which had been born in our pond, has disappeared. The culprit was a heron from the loch, so we netted the pond and had no more problems, except the heron from time to time, would take to perching on our roof and doing low swoops over the pond much to the amusement of our neighbours. It soon gave up.> > > > Dave Buckley> > > > >????????? -- >????????? Tech1 mailing list>????????? Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>????????? http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>??????? >??????? >????? >???? > -- > > Tech1 mailing list> > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sun Jun  5 09:54:19 2022
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 15:54:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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There is, or used to be, a heron that patrolled the Kennet & Avon Canal 
in Bath, near where it joins the Avon - we always look out for it when 
visiting our son who lives there.  The towpath is always busy with 
walkers, but the heron doesn't seem to be fazed.  Admittedly it's 
usually on the other bank.

           V


------ Original Message ------From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "Chris Woolf" <chris at chriswoolf.co.uk>
Cc: "Tech ops" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, 4 Jun, 22 At 12:00
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Herons
Heron in the streets of Amsterdam:
?
Graeme Wall


On 4 Jun 2022, at 11:38, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:
In the Vondelpark in Amsterdam we crossed a little bridge over a stream, 
and saw a model heron poised to strike a couple of metres away... and 
then it moved!

Amazing - they are so used to being treated kindly that they have no 
fear there.

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Jun  5 12:37:55 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 18:37:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Herons
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They were also a common site on the Thames lock just opposite Teddington 
Studios.



On 05/06/2022 15:54, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
> There is, or used to be, a heron that patrolled the Kennet & Avon 
> Canal in Bath, near where it joins the Avon - we always look out for 
> it when visiting our son who lives there. The towpath is always busy 
> with walkers, but the heron doesn't seem to be fazed. Admittedly it's 
> usually on the other bank.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 08:34:14 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 14:34:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How the world moves on.
Message-ID: <afc569cf-f13d-9b46-ccbb-fe6425161e27@gmail.com>

A really good Youtube about modern green screen stuff. I have no idea 
how good the actual comedy series is.

https://youtu.be/DQT0Qy856mA

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 10:02:22 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:02:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] "When we all have pocket telephones"
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The Mirror, March 1919....

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  6 10:48:12 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:48:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] "When we all have pocket telephones"
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Cartoonist obviously had 2020 vision!
Barry.



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> 
> The Mirror, March 1919....
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Jun  6 12:07:51 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 18:07:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News mics
Message-ID: <02840ffd-be80-cda3-960f-6d93fab07db1@davesound.co.uk>

At long last, BBC TV news seems to have gone over to head boom personal 
mics, rather than lapel . What took them so long? Perhaps the BBC had to 
buy a job lot for the Jubilee concert?



From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jun  6 12:22:47 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 17:22:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] News mics
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Are you kidding, Dave? That great big zit on Fiona Bruce?s cheek (News, Downing Street)  looks bloody awful!
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

> On 6 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?At long last, BBC TV news seems to have gone over to head boom personal mics, rather than lapel . What took them so long? Perhaps the BBC had to buy a job lot for the Jubilee concert?
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Jun  6 13:19:05 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 19:19:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News mics
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Yes, it?s frustrating isn?t it, a learning curve each time.

When the Brexit protests were going on there was a similar problem and after a bit the little headsets came out and solved it.

Perhaps the way things are arranged now limits opportunities for the sharing of collective wisdom ?

> On 6 Jun 2022, at 18:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> At long last, BBC TV news seems to have gone over to head boom personal mics, rather than lapel . What took them so long? Perhaps the BBC had to buy a job lot for the Jubilee concert?
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun  6 13:51:10 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 19:51:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News mics
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Whatever the explanation, it won?t have been anything to do with surplus gear from the jubilee as the Beeb don?t have any scanners and the facility companies which covered the events probably hired in the microphones they used.

Does anybody know if Diana Ross was always intended to mime at the Jubilee concert, or was there a last minute problem? It seems totally inappropriate for the headline act on such a prestigious event to mime, and to mime so badly too. She did appear to be fiddling with an IFB receiver on her belt at one point too. 

I thought the dynamics of the concert were rather strange.  As soon as an artist sang some belters that got the crowd going, it completely fizzled out when they did interviews or played VTs.  It?s always going to be a bit of a challenge organising a show combining musicals, pop, rock and classics, but I don?t think that was the way to do it. It looked spectacular on the screen and it certainly had its moments, but overall I felt it was rather underwhelming.

I saw it on a big screen in our park.  I wasn?t intending to be there, it?s a long story which doesn?t need to be told here. 

It was fascinating watching the crowd reaction to the different elements of the show.  The queues for the loos and catering stands inversely reflected the degree of interest at different times. When acts were real crowd pleasers, there was an amazing reaction and at other times, they completely lost interest. Hence my comment about the dynamics of the show, it was obvious what people thought, moment by moment.

Alan



> On 6 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?At long last, BBC TV news seems to have gone over to head boom personal mics, rather than lapel . What took them so long? Perhaps the BBC had to buy a job lot for the Jubilee concert?
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jun  6 16:45:35 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 22:45:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Clive Leighton
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So sad to hear of Clive?s passing. A lovely man to work with - a true professional with great sympathy towards the other disciplines. I remember greeting the news of his impending retirement with great sadness. If asked to choose one word in characterising Clive?s qualities, I would settle on ?empathy?. 

> On 6 Jun 2022, at 20:10, angelawilson--- via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Always one of my very favouritest TMs.   RIP Clive.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Announce <announce-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of keithmayes via Announce
> Sent: 06 June 2022 19:16
> To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk; 'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com>; 'TechOps Announce' <announce at tech-ops.co.uk>; keithmayes at blueyonder.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Announce] Clive Leighton
>  
> I agree. A top man; a real shame 
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from my Galaxy
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>  
> -------- Original message --------
> From: paul--- via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 06/06/2022 18:11 (GMT+00:00)
> To: 'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com>, 'TechOps Announce' <announce at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Announce] Clive Leighton
>  
> Very sad,
> I learnt a lot from Clive in my early years as a Tech Co-ord as it was then.
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul Thackray
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 07802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>  
> From: Announce <announce-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Announce
> Sent: 06 June 2022 17:43
> To: TechOps Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: [Announce] Clive Leighton
>  
> Subject:
> Clive Leighton
> From:
> Simon leighton <simon.leighton at talktalk.net>
> Date:
> 06/06/2022, 16:03
> To:
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> 
> Hi Tech 1 team, my name is Simon Leighton - son of Clive Leighton.
>  
> I regret to inform you of his passing today in France following a short and sudden illness. In accordance with his wishes he will be interred in France alongside his wife Jeanette. 
>  
> I don?t have any further details at the present but will keep you informed. 
>  
> Regards Simon
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From phider at gmx.com  Mon Jun  6 17:42:59 2022
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2022 23:42:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Clive Leighton
In-Reply-To: <BA50F61C-7907-41BD-A697-5243CE68B3AD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1MCbIn-1o6ttZ0UmB-009kvj@mail.gmx.net>

That is so sad. One of the nicest lighting directors I worked with. Nothing was too much trouble.My sympathies to his family.Peter Hider?.
-------- Original message --------From: Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 06/06/2022  22:46  (GMT+00:00) To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Clive Leighton So sad to hear of Clive?s passing. A lovely man to work with - a true professional with great sympathy towards the other disciplines. I remember greeting the news of his impending retirement with great sadness. If asked to choose one word in characterising Clive?s qualities, I would settle on ?empathy?.?On 6 Jun 2022, at 20:10, angelawilson--- via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:?<!--
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-->Always one of my very favouritest TMs.?? RIP Clive.???From: Announce <announce-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of keithmayes via AnnounceSent: 06 June 2022 19:16To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk; 'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com>; 'TechOps Announce' <announce at tech-ops.co.uk>; keithmayes at blueyonder.co.ukSubject: Re: [Announce] Clive Leighton?I agree. A top man; a real shame????Sent from my Galaxy??-------- Original message --------From: paul--- via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 06/06/2022 18:11 (GMT+00:00) To: 'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com>, 'TechOps Announce' <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Announce] Clive Leighton ?Very sad,I learnt a lot from Clive in my early years as a Tech Co-ord as it was then.?Paul?Paul ThackrayPGT Media Consulting Ltd.07802 243979Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.ukLinkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/?From: Announce <announce-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via AnnounceSent: 06 June 2022 17:43To: TechOps Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk>Subject: [Announce] Clive Leighton?Subject: Clive LeightonFrom: Simon leighton <simon.leighton at talktalk.net>Date: 06/06/2022, 16:03To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukHi Tech 1 team, my name is Simon Leighton - son of Clive Leighton.?I regret to inform you of his passing today in France following a short and sudden illness. In accordance with his wishes he will be interred in France alongside his wife Jeanette. ?I don?t have any further details at the present but will keep you informed. ?Regards Simon-- Announce mailing listAnnounce at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  7 06:40:10 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 12:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Clive Leighton
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A sad loss indeed. One of the great characters in Tech Ops.
Clive was always pleasure to work with. 
He was on top of his job and did it with many a smile.
Barry.






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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  7 08:47:18 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 14:47:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
Message-ID: <1f97210f-8ef3-bbef-9ae3-97616ed65782@gmail.com>

Hi,

I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by 
this....



Best regards,


Alec


-- 
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Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
Mob:  07789 561 346
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From relong at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  7 09:51:25 2022
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 15:51:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How the world moves on.
In-Reply-To: <afc569cf-f13d-9b46-ccbb-fe6425161e27@gmail.com>
References: <afc569cf-f13d-9b46-ccbb-fe6425161e27@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3691117B-5687-48BB-B9DC-E5A063DF79B8@btinternet.com>

If you want bonkers green screen check out
RRR on Netflix 
A Hindu dancing musical martial arts Bollywood spectacular?
It defies description and goes on for hours
Brilliantly done by film technology unknown to us Gammons.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Jun 2022, at 14:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? A really good Youtube about modern green screen stuff. I have no idea how good the actual comedy series is.
> 
> https://youtu.be/DQT0Qy856mA
> 
> B
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Jun  8 08:00:01 2022
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:00:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
In-Reply-To: <1f97210f-8ef3-bbef-9ae3-97616ed65782@gmail.com>
References: <1f97210f-8ef3-bbef-9ae3-97616ed65782@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ACB5C5DC-7DC3-4749-B27D-E99D8C192AAF@icloud.com>

Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?

Graham Maunder



Sent from my iPhone 

> On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi,
> 
> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Alec
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> =======
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed Jun  8 08:06:21 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:06:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
In-Reply-To: <ACB5C5DC-7DC3-4749-B27D-E99D8C192AAF@icloud.com>
References: <ACB5C5DC-7DC3-4749-B27D-E99D8C192AAF@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <C967D52D-D3DE-4EA8-A5A6-F0A6AD0C3084@icloud.com>

I was on his crew (17) for a few months just after I came back from my TO course - so early 66. I think I?d already gravitated towards sound but the office was still putting me through the system. 

Peter Neill 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:00, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
> Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
> Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?
> 
> Graham Maunder
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>>> On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> =======
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> Mob:  07789 561 346
>> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 08:16:37 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:16:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
In-Reply-To: <ACB5C5DC-7DC3-4749-B27D-E99D8C192AAF@icloud.com>
References: <1f97210f-8ef3-bbef-9ae3-97616ed65782@gmail.com>
	<ACB5C5DC-7DC3-4749-B27D-E99D8C192AAF@icloud.com>
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Hi,
January 1963 - three days only for induction and then to Crew 7.  The
senior cameraman said "Hello, I'm Mike.  We call each other by first names
here".  What a change from school where it had been surnames only!!

Mike Bond looked after this wet-behind-the-ears naive just ex-schoolboy,
and I must say how much I liked and respected him.

Best regards Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 14:00 Graham Maunder, <grahamthecameraman at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen,
> Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy
> Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
> Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
> Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?
>
> Graham Maunder
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hi,
>
> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by
> this....
>
>
> [image: IQ0CMFyNgAorHK3y.png]
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Alec
>
>
> --
> =======
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>
> --
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Jun  8 08:51:13 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:51:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
In-Reply-To: <C967D52D-D3DE-4EA8-A5A6-F0A6AD0C3084@icloud.com>
References: <ACB5C5DC-7DC3-4749-B27D-E99D8C192AAF@icloud.com>
	<C967D52D-D3DE-4EA8-A5A6-F0A6AD0C3084@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <F86205CD-B6C4-4FDD-870D-08FD429E83B9@me.com>

I was on Mike's Crew 7, did a lot of 'Dr. Finlays' and Play Schools at Riverside, and tracked him a few times on a motorised Vinten. Sometimes more successfully than others, it must be said, but he was extremely tolerant and encouraging.

I also remember a few Jazz625's at the Theatre and Yvonne Littlewood music epics in TC1, but I can't remember if that was Mike's crew or not.

It was only later that I learned that Andrew Cruikshank was an old boy at the school David Plowman and I went to, Aberdeen Grammar. 

(I think Angus is a bit older than me, 2 possibly 3 years? I was born in '45)


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:06, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I was on his crew (17) for a few months just after I came back from my TO course - so early 66. I think I?d already gravitated towards sound but the office was still putting me through the system. 
> 
> Peter Neill 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
>> On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:00, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
>> Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
>> Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?
>> 
>> Graham Maunder
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>> On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <IQ0CMFyNgAorHK3y.png>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alec
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> =======
>>> 
>>> Alec Bray
>>> 
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>> Mob:  07789 561 346
>>> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Wed Jun  8 09:49:56 2022
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:49:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Bond
Message-ID: <CDA76F4F-D1B9-48B8-88CD-7042D6E5496D@vincent68.plus.com>

Crew 17

Peter Horton I remember.

Mike was a gentle lovely man.

When I became a Camera Supervisor I remembered how he ran the crew.

And Dave Mutton.

Jim Atkinson showed me how not to do it!

All have left their mark.  

The Herbs did have a nod to some characters at TC.

Dill was Martin Dilly. Bayleaf was Bill Bailiff, Parsley was a manager of something!

I?m sure our collective memory will come up with the rest.

We are blessed with some good memories.

John V  

From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed Jun  8 09:58:23 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:58:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
In-Reply-To: <C967D52D-D3DE-4EA8-A5A6-F0A6AD0C3084@icloud.com>
References: <C967D52D-D3DE-4EA8-A5A6-F0A6AD0C3084@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <D7A21DB1-4ECD-41B9-B724-3065090D7F0A@icloud.com>

And I found this picture on the Interweb


Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:07, Peter Neill <peter.neill at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I was on his crew (17) for a few months just after I came back from my TO course - so early 66. I think I?d already gravitated towards sound but the office was still putting me through the system. 
> 
> Peter Neill 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
>>> On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:00, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
>> Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
>> Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?
>> 
>> Graham Maunder
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>>> On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alec
>>> 
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed Jun  8 10:01:24 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:01:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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Hi Graham,
	I was on Mike's crew (17) when I joined the BBC in Jan 1965 and I was there until I went to Evesham in May. 
There were so many new recruits, I think it was 83, that half of us were delayed going to Evesham as they couldn?t cope. So TO21 & TO22 were actually the same intake.
Mike was a real gentleman and kept an eye on us newbies! He was very keen that we got our ?hands on? straight away. 
Barry.



On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:00, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
> Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
> Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?
> 
> Graham Maunder
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....
>> 
>> <IQ0CMFyNgAorHK3y.png>
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun  8 10:30:58 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:30:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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Agreement all round. I was on Mike?s crew for a spell and above all else he was just the nicest and kindest man you could ever meet. I think at the time it was crew 7 rather than 17 and If my memory serves me accurately the SA1 was Derek Saunders who resigned in favour of going off to run a pub in Cornwall with his wife. Anyone know how he fared?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Graham Maunder via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 2:00 PM
To: Alec Bray 
Cc: Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches

Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!! 
Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?

Graham Maunder




Sent from my iPhone 


  On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Hi,

  I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....








  Best regards,



  Alec




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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed Jun  8 10:38:44 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:38:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mike Bond
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Here's Mike?s crew in1965 as seen in Ariel when it was a glossy magazine. New recruits?.me at the back (next to Chas Chester) and Tony Philpott at the front, and lots of people you might remember!
Barry.




On 8 Jun 2022, at 15:49, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Crew 17
> 
> Peter Horton I remember.
> 
> Mike was a gentle lovely man.
> 
> When I became a Camera Supervisor I remembered how he ran the crew.
> 
> And Dave Mutton.
> 
> Jim Atkinson showed me how not to do it!
> 
> All have left their mark.  
> 
> The Herbs did have a nod to some characters at TC.
> 
> Dill was Martin Dilly. Bayleaf was Bill Bailiff, Parsley was a manager of something!
> 
> I?m sure our collective memory will come up with the rest.
> 
> We are blessed with some good memories.
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun  8 12:11:09 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:11:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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On reflection it might have been a post office/village shop rather than a pub. Memory!

Dave Newbitt.

From: David Newbitt 
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 4:30 PM
To: Graham Maunder ; Alec Bray 
Cc: Tech Ops ; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches

Agreement all round. I was on Mike?s crew for a spell and above all else he was just the nicest and kindest man you could ever meet. I think at the time it was crew 7 rather than 17 and If my memory serves me accurately the SA1 was Derek Saunders who resigned in favour of going off to run a pub in Cornwall with his wife. Anyone know how he fared?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Graham Maunder via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 2:00 PM
To: Alec Bray 
Cc: Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches

Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!! 
Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?

Graham Maunder




Sent from my iPhone 


  On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Hi,

  I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....








  Best regards,



  Alec




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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Jun  8 12:45:05 2022
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:45:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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Thanks to everyone who replied - some e-mails arrived whilst I was still with Karen and she was really happy to know how highly her Dad was regarded.

I will pass on other e-mails (and the picture) to her.

Interesting day - part of a DNA series I?m doing for ITV that?s destined to hit the screens in September I believe.

Graham Maunder 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 8 Jun 2022, at 18:11, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> On reflection it might have been a post office/village shop rather than a pub. Memory!
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: David Newbitt
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 4:30 PM
> To: Graham Maunder ; Alec Bray
> Cc: Tech Ops ; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
>  
> Agreement all round. I was on Mike?s crew for a spell and above all else he was just the nicest and kindest man you could ever meet. I think at the time it was crew 7 rather than 17 and If my memory serves me accurately the SA1 was Derek Saunders who resigned in favour of going off to run a pub in Cornwall with his wife. Anyone know how he fared?
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Graham Maunder via Tech1
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 2:00 PM
> To: Alec Bray
> Cc: Tech Ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
>  
> Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
> Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
> Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?
>  
> Graham Maunder
>  
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -- 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 09:04:11 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 15:04:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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Subject: 	MCR21 Newsletter
Date: 	Thu, 9 Jun 2022 09:34:27 +0000
From: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
Reply-To: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
To: 	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com



MCR21 Newsletter JUNE? 2022


  NEWSLETTER

JUNE 2022

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<https://mailchi.mp/d53e1b721b40/mcr21-newsletter-15510528?e=27b31bf3ae>

MCR21 IS GOING ON DISPLAY
Come and join us at Amberley Museum
West Sussex BN18 9LT

The Museum is open Wednedays to Sundays
On Thursday 8th July we are having a special Launch Day
Please do join us for the Launch. We have arranged for admission to the 
whole museum and a light lunch for
 ?a special price of ?15.50

Please let me know as soon as possible If you would like to come to 
Amberley on the 8th July for the launch event and if you would like to 
bring someone with you.
(There are limited numbers)
Please email me nick at mcr21.org.uk
or Tel 07831 219957

Also please get in touch if you are able to be a volunteer one day or 
more at Amberley, talking to visitors about MCR21

There is a lot to see at Amberley Museum as well as MCR21

The Day When Television Became ?Respectable?
by Nick Gilbey
First published in the BBC Pensioners Association Christmas Newsletter 
December 2021

The date was Tuesday 2nd June 1953. It was an important date for our 
Queen ? It was her Coronation Day. It was also a seminal day for BBC 
Television. That day, 20 million people in the UK watched the Coronation 
on TV, that was against 11 million who listened to the events unfolding 
on the radio. From that date the number of people who watched television 
grew with haste, until nearly every home in the Country had a TV. As 
Professor ASA Briggs puts it in his official history of the BBC, ?All 
commentators agreed that television was here to stay and here to grow. 
The public?s appetite had been whetted?.

While there is no doubt that the televising of the Coronation was a 
great success, there is a question as to whether it would have been, if 
the original plans for televising the event had not been changed. In 
1937, the BBC televised the coronation of George VI, only covering the 
procession as it past through Apsley Gate at Hyde Park Corner. The 
original plan for Elizabeth II Coronation, announced by the Earl 
Marshall for the Coronation, the Duke of Norfolk, in October 1952, was 
again for the BBC to televise the procession, but not the ceremony 
inside Westminster Abbey.

BBC Television, in the guise of Seymour de Lotbiniere, Head of BBC TV 
Outside Broadcasts, and his assistant, Peter Dimmock, knew that this was 
the wrong decision and started to campaign to get cameras inside the 
Abbey. Peter Dimmock, coming from a military background, called it a war 
with Seymour de Lotbiniere being the commander- in chief and himself as 
the general. Perhaps the biggest weapon the BBC had in its arsenal was 
Peter Dimmock?s love of horse racing and being a member of the Turf 
Club, along with the Duke of Norfolk.

As Sir Paul Fox explains
/?Peter knew that televising the ceremony could only be done with the 
co-operation of the Duke of Norfolk. Peter knew the Duke because he was 
in //charge of the racing at Ascot and the BBC did Ascot racing. So 
Peter and Bernard Norfolk were on familiar terms and it was Peter who 
persuaded the Duke of Norfolk that cameras would be OK inside the Abbey.? /

There was one more step in the process of getting permission to televise 
the actual crowning ceremony. It had been agreed that permission would 
be granted to place a camera in the nave of the Abbey but not in the 
main part of the Abbey where the crowning would take place. Again, 
Seymour and Peter felt this was not satisfactory and arranged with the 
Duke to do a camera test at the Abbey.

Peter Dimmock -

/?We took an outside broadcast unit down to Westminster Abbey, and we 
put the camera below the choir screen. The Archbishop, the Duke of 
Norfolk, Ministry of Works and the press secretary of Buckingham Palace, 
they all came, and I was lucky enough, as none of them really understood 
television. So I put on a two-inch lens, which was the widest lens we?d 
got, and then got a girl to sit where the Queen would sit. And of 
course, she looked really small on the screen! I said, look it?s not 
going to upset the Queen. They were all worried, quite genuinely, about 
it being //too much of a strain for the Queen to know that she was on 
television. I said, no it won?t be a strain for her. Then another stroke 
of luck happened They complained about the lighting. I discovered that 
the film newsreels had
been given permission to put lighting in for a colour film camera. So I 
said we don?t need as much light as they do for a colour film camera. So 
that destroyed that argument. As a result of the tests, we were on 
tenterhooks for about 48 hours, and then the answer came through ?OK?.? /

While many ?battles? had been won, the war was not over. The question of 
how many cameras would be allowed in the Abbey and where they would be 
positioned had to be agreed. In the end four cameras were positioned in 
the central part of the Abbey. The Duke insisted that all the cameras 
and camera operators should be inconspicuous so an appeal went out, 
within the BBC, for small camera operators. A diminutive Tony Flanagan 
had to sit among the musicians next to the organ. His camera had the 
best view of the throne and was disguised by covering it with a black 
velvet cloth. D.R.G. Montagu, senior cameraman of the Midlands and North 
Unit, MCR 10, was operating Camera 3 high up behind the triforium, the 
gallery high above the Abbey floor. Monty Montague -"Behind the 
triforium,the Ministry of Works had set up a network of hastily 
constructed rooms or cubicles for operational requirements. I was in one 
of those, rather like a wooden cell with the roof too low for me to 
stand up straight, but equipped with a box seat and an electric fan. I 
used to enter with a sort of Groucho Marx straddle and make for the box 
seat where I could straighten up sitting down. From this seat I evolved 
numerous permutations of kneeling and sitting positions from which to 
make necessary adjustments and operational manoeuvres to the camera. In 
the cubicle over mine was Richard Dimbleby He seemed to have more room 
than me, for I could often hear him striding his floor above my head. I 
envied him his headroom. We knew each other very well by this time, 
through many previous programmes. He always used to call me Monty and 
this name has stuck ever since.?

Many more BBC personnel were working along the procession route. MCR 11 
from Scotland was at Hyde Park Corner, flying the Scottish flag attached 
to the control room. MCR12 from the Westcountry had de-rigged its 
cameras onto the Victoria Memorial, allowing one its Pye cameras, fitted 
with a very long lens, to capture those close- up shots of the Queen and 
her family on the Buckingham Palace balcony. MCR7 was on the Embankment. 
Stephen Wade, who was the stage manager working on that unit, recalls 
the morning of the Coronation. ?
/?I woke stiff from a night on an ex-army bed in someone?s office in 
Langham Place and had just time for a cup of tea before Wynford 
Vaughan-Thomas picked me up to give me a lift to my position on the 
Embankment. We had to pass //through massive gates that sealed off some 
of the roads to the route by, I think, 8.30am. This was part of the 
security system, not much by today?s standard but this was the age when 
such violence, as we have now, was unthinkable.? /

In a shed built in the Edward VII Chapel next to the Abbey, the BBC set 
up the television control room for the Abbey coverage. Peter Dimmock 
would direct this part of the Coronation with Seymour de Lotbiniere, at 
Broadcasting House, taking in the pictures from the Abbey, the five OB 
units along the procession route and the studio at Alexandra Palace, 
where Sylvia Peters would work as the continuity announcer for the day?s 
transmissions. Peter had arranged with Tony Bridgewater, who was in 
charge of BBC engineering, for producer, John Vernon, to operate the 
vision mixer. Days before the ceremony, Peter and John would rehearse 
the coverage and meticulously work out a ?shot? list. Whilst Peter 
Dimmock did not have a direct involvement in the Coronation proceedings, 
he provided some advice, which helped bring a sense of great occasion to 
the final chapter of the crowning ceremony.

Peter was not happy with the music, which was to be played after the 
crowning ceremony, as the Queen and her procession paraded down the aisle.

Peter Dimmock.
/?Arthur Bliss had written a special bit of music ? it was bloody awful. 
It was Princess Margaret who helped me here. We were having a meeting, 
which included me, John Snagge, Bernard Norfolk, and the Ministry of 
Works chap, Mackay, who was the orchestra leader. He said well we?ve got 
this marvellous bit of music and I said, please, please we want 
something dramatic, something really stirring. I mean this is a great 
occasion, and this music I?ve listened to, with respect, it really is 
pretty, pretty ordinary. Princess Margaret said, uncle (meaning the Duke 
of Norfolk) I think Peter Dimmock is right. I think that you do need a 
stronger piece and John Snagge said, I agree. In the end, Bernard 
Norfolk saw that was right. Then McKay, sensing what Bernard Norfolk was 
going to say, nipped in quickly to make it look as though it was his 
decision and said, ?Yes, I think we?ll go with one of the Pomp and 
Circumstances.? /

/Now you see that made a hell of a difference. I had a camera over the 
West Door for when the Queen proceeded out. I was able to hold her in 
close-up and I swear there wasn?t a dry eye in Britain, it was 
marvellous. There was so much, so many hurdles to overcome, and I was 
thrilled when it all came off because if that camera had broken down, 
for example, that would have ruined it.? /

In fact not a single one of the 20 cameras, used in the Abbey and 
covering the procession broke, down during the seven-hour broadcast. 
Televising the Coronation, used the entire operational fleet of BBC 
Television outside broadcast units. The cameras from BBC units, MCRs 8 
and 9, were the inside the Abbey. These cameras, Marconi Mk I and IIs 
had Image Orthicon tubes, which could produce much better pictures than 
the previous generation of cameras and certainly performed well in the 
Abbey. It was Peter Dimmock who persuaded the BBC to order these Image 
Orthicon cameras, which were designed in the USA, but built by Marconi 
in the UK, under a licensing agreement.

Whilst the lavish spectacle of the Coronation lifted the spirits of the 
British public, it was the same for many people living in Europe, Canada 
and the USA. Christian Dior wrote - ?The Coronation of the young 
Elizabeth II has filled, not only the British, but rather strangely the 
French too, and much of Europe, with renewed optimism and faith in the 
future?. It was perhaps fortunate, or forward planning, that the BBC in 
1950 had worked out how to get a broadcast television signal across the 
English Channel with a live broadcast from Calais, hosted by Richard 
Dimbleby. Now the signal was travelling in the opposite direction, 
allowing French, German and Dutch viewers to watch the Coronation live. 
Special arrangements were made so that viewers across the Atlantic could 
see the Coronation on the same day.

Special arrangements were made so that viewers across the Atlantic could 
see the Coronation on the same day. Jim Pople, who was a BBC film editor 
in 1953 and went on to direct many royal occasions for ITV, including 
Diana?s wedding to Prince Charles. Jim recalls. - ?With a hint of rain 
in the air, my trusty 500cc Matchless Twin motorbike was carrying me to 
Kays Laboratory at Finsbury Park where the Coronation Day transmission 
was being tele-recorded onto 35mm film. I assume that a tele-recording 
suite had been set up at the Lab as time was of the essence?.

?We eagerly awaited the first reel to come off the printer and a quick 
look in the preview theatre confirmed that the quality was going to be 
good. My job in the ?positive? room was to take the 1,000ft reels, put 
leaders and tails on them, can them up, label the cans and prepare them 
for each of the three sequences ? the Procession to the Abbey ? the 
Ceremony ? the Procession back to Buckingham Palace, were completed.? 
?With a despatch rider standing by, the reels were taken up to Alexandra 
Palace racecourse, where they were helicoptered to Heathrow, loaded into 
Canberra bombers and flown to America. In the days before satellites, 
the Canberra, courtesy of the RAF, was the fastest way to cross the 
Atlantic. Known as ?Operation Pony Express?, three Canberras left London 
Airport at 1.30pm, 3.15pm and 6.20pm, each taking just five hours for 
the journey. The full tele-recording was transmitted by Canadian TV at 
4.15pm local time and simultaneously sent to NBC and NBC from Montreal 
for showing in the United States.?

It is without doubt that due to the efforts of the BBC, and in 
particular those of Seymour de Lotbiniere and Peter Dimmock, an 
incredible number of people were able to watch this deeply religious, 
poignant and opulent occasion, either live or, with the use of the 
tele-recordings, within hours of the live broadcast and on the same day, 
as Canada and the USA were many hours behind UK time.

Perhaps more importantly, television had become ?respectable?. As Peter 
Dimmock put it ??if you went to a dinner party before the Coronation, 
and you mentioned television, most people would say... well, we haven?t 
got it. Maybe the servants had got it. After the Coronation, all the 
conversation was, ?Did you see that programme on television last week?? 
and that was the real watershed. I mean, television really came into its 
own then.?

Since that date, television cameras have been very welcome at all 
national events. There has been was one exemption, again taking place 
within Westminster Abbey. That was the funeral of Diana, Princess of 
Wales, when cameras were nearly banned from inside the Abbey - but that 
is another story.

BBC NORTH TELEVISION OBs? Part 2

By Jerry Clegg and Robin Stonestreet
Photo Credits - Doug Kipling, Jerry Clegg, Brian Summers, PyeTVT, Sony


**BBC North Oxford Road Studio Complex

The huge scanner-hall in New Broadcasting House, Manchester, opened in 
1976. It had dedicated bays to accommodate scanners fully powered-up? 
both electrically and mechanically. They could be undergoing mechanical 
and electronic servicing at the same time. There was even a rolling road 
to service and test the brakes.

NORTH 3 - CMCR 37 - A Type 5 Unit

In 1982 the three type-2 CMCR?s were replaced with three type-5 CMCR?s. 
CMCR 36 (KYY441X) became North 1, CMCR 37 (NYN34Y) became North 3 and 
CMCR 38 (NYN81Y) became North 2, these were all equipped with 8 x 
Philips LDK5 triax camera CCU?s. Five LDK5 1? tube cameras were supplied 
for each truck. There were also three base spare channels. Each camera 
was supplied with a Schneider 30x12.5 standard box lens and each truck 
carried two Schneider 30x26 narrow angle lenses. Mountings were Vinten 
Mk7 heads. In addition, two LDK15 portable cameras were originally 
provided. These worked into the LDK5 CCU via the hip pack and a Portable 
Processing Unit (PPU). These two cameras could provide a lightweight 
capability to any of the three units. Later the LDK15 cameras were 
replaced with three LDK14 camera heads using 2/3? tubes and Schneider 
14x lenses. These worked into the LDK5 CCUs via an LDK 514 Portable 
Interface Unit (PIU).

Philips LDK 5 Camera with Schneider 30 x 12.5 Box Lens

 ?? Philips LDK 15 ? ? LDK 14

These two cameras could provide a lightweight capability to any of the 
three units. Later the LDK15 cameras were replaced with three LDK14 
camera heads using 2/3? tubes and Schneider 14x lenses. These worked 
into the LDK5 CCUs via an LDK 514 Portable Interface Unit (PIU). In 1988 
the LDK14 camera heads were replaced with Ikegami HL79D cameras working 
through the same PIU into the LDK5 CCU. In August 1990, to improve the 
reliability of the handheld cameras, each type 5 was equipped with an 
Ikegami TA79 triax CCU.

Ikegami HL -79

The type 5s had four operational areas, the cab which could be used as a 
caption area, Vision control room, Production area with Grass Valley 
1600 vision mixer and Sound who had a Neve 24 channel stereo sound desk 
with four groups and two 10-channel sub-mixers. Sound also had a Studer 
B62 tape machine and a bay-mounted cassette recorder/player. The BBC Mk2 
communication system included a very versatile 50 x 100 pin patch matrix 
for routing sources and two Storno VHF/UHF transceiver base stations for 
on-site communications

In 1987 a single camera unit was added to the Manchester OB fleet, this 
was a Ford Transit panel van (D89FUW) locally built with a single 
Ikegami TA79 triax CCU running an HL79D camera head, with a location 
sound mixer and communication set up. There was space for a VPR5 1? 
video tape recorder. The camera & recorder could also work remote from 
the van with a monitor for vision control and power all rigged on a 
folding trolley. Its first shows were /the Tom O?Connor Roadshow/ 
followed by a location drama /Beautiful Lies/.

 >From January to May 1987 a second single camera unit was formed by 
taking a camera from the LMCR and pairing it with a second VPR5 1?VTR, 
this was used for /Open Air/, the new daytime show from the BBC. This 
aired every weekday 11:30-12:30 from Studio B in Manchester. In April 
1988 the LMCR was renamed North 4 and the SCU became North 5.

In the late 80s and early 90s Tech Ops collaborated with the Film Unit 
to train two PSC crews equipped with Ikegami HL79D cameras and Sony 
BVU110 recorders. Film was passing out of favour and PSC was the up and 
coming format. The relative portability of the new kit made travel all 
over the world possible enabling Manchester PSC crews to do /Rough 
Guides/ and /the Russell Harty Show/ in far and wide locations. In May 
1988 a third kit was established with a Sony BVP330 camera. In October 
1988 two LDK90 frame transfer CCD cameras replaced the HL79s and in 
November two Thomson 1640 IT CCD cameras were added. These four new 
cameras were equipped with docking Sony BVP5 Beta SP backs. BVP35 Beta 
SP field recorders and a BVP50 field recorder / player were also available.
The SCU was retired in April 1993, the requirement for 1? VTR single 
camera units having been replaced with firstly Beta SP then Digibeta 
camcorders

In the late 80s BBC Manchester?s Studio A was closed for a major 
enlargement and refit. During this time a new temporary studio was 
created at Brunswick Dock, Liverpool. This was serviced by the ex-Scot 1 
type-4? CMCR 17 (LUU374P), using EMI 2005 cameras from Studio A in 
preference to the ex-Scottish Link 110 cameras.? A side was cut out of 
the vehicle to make an enlarged production gallery. The Liverpool Studio 
replaced Studio A from early 1988 until March 1991, initially as a 
drive-in using one of the operational scanners.

Type 4 CMCR 17 From BBC Scotland

 ???????????????? Sony BVP 70 ?????? Sony BVP 370

In May 1991 both North 2 and North 3 received new cameras to replace the 
original Philips ones. Each truck received 2 x Sony BVP 370 & 4 x BVP 70 
FIT CCD cameras working into Sony CCU370 CCUs. There was also a full 
complement of new lenses and mountings including box 20:1 & 55:1 lenses, 
a standard 18x lens for each lightweight and a couple of Fuji 8.5 x 5.5 
wide angles along with new Vinten Mk7 pan and tilt heads and Vision 20 
lightweight head and legs. This brought about a big improvement in 
picture quality, it also reduced the need for skilled engineers who 
could get good pictures out of the 'tube based' cameras and the hours 
taken to line them up.

Big changes started to come along in 1993 as the three type-5 scanners 
neared the end of their working lives. North 1 type-5 was withdrawn in 
1993 (last show 10^th April 1993: MOTD Man U v Sheff W) followed by 
North 3 (last show racing from Haydock Park Monday 3^rd May 1993) and 
finally North 2 in 1994. The arrival of North 2?s replacement in 
Manchester was delayed as it was ?borrowed? by Kendal Avenue to cover 
modification work on their early type-8 CMCRs.


The three type-5 units were replaced by a brand new North 1 type-8 
(L227GUW), CMCR66? and two ex-National Regions type-6 units: Wales 1 
(D358FUW) and Scot 2 (E38EOY). The ex-Scot 2 type-6 unit now titled Unit 
29 entered service with Ice Hockey from Whitley Bay 10^th April 1993, 
followed by Ice Hockey back in Scotland before travelling to London for 
the London Marathon from Horse Guards Parade. The ex-Wales unit became 
Unit 39 and entered service for Manchester as the Transmission gallery 
for World Snooker from Sheffield on 15^th April 1993. It was renamed 
North 3 on 6^th May 1993 for Badminton Horse Trials (Remote site OB).

CMCR56 (H699XUU). The unit arrived without any cameras, so the Ikegami 
HL55s were installed and the unit became North 4.

During 1993 North 3 received an upgraded Production area with an 
expanding side and a new Grass Valley 200 vision mixer.

Following the introduction of ?Producer Choice? the facilities in 
Manchester were re-organised into Production Facilities Groups, with a 
split between Television and Radio. Radio facilities were absorbed back 
into the BBC along with regional broadcasting. Both these areas were 
deemed not suitable for commercial operations.
On 3^rd October 1994 the Manchester TV OB business was merged with 
London TV OBs, the units and crew remained in the North but management 
of the operation transferred to Kendal Avenue. The TV OB group took over 
the transport building and the former scanner hall was turned into 
office space. The BBC Manchester Studio and Post Production business 
continued until 2000 before being merged into ?360 Media?, based at 
Granada Quay Street, once it had received approval frm the Department 
for Digital,Culture, Media and Sport.

In January 1994 the Manchester units were, North 1 type-8? CMCR 66 
(L227GUW), North 2 type-6 CMCR 49 (E38EOY), North 3 type-6 CMCR 48 
(D358FUW) and North 4 type-7 CMCR56 (H699XUU). The first three were all 
equipped with 6 x Sony 370 CCU operating 2 x BVP370 & 4 x BVP70 CCD 
triax cameras and North 4 had 4 x Ikegami HL55 CCD cameras running on 
TA79 triax CCU?s.

During the winter of 1994-95 North 2 was out of service for conversion 
to the BBC?s first Serial Digital outside broadcast unit, with an 
expanding side to the production area. It had a Grass Valley 4000 vision 
mixer and 8 x Ikegami HL466 4 CCD cameras and full complement of new CCD 
grade lenses. The cameras and lenses were widescreen switchable. Its 
first OB was MOTD from Norwich on 29^th April 1995. To identify it as a 
Digital unit the name was changed to DCR1 (Digital Control Room 1). The 
original Calrec analogue sound desk remained. There was also space 
created for four cassette based VTR?s either Beta SP with outboard 
Digital to Analogue converters or Digibeta. This allowed the one truck 
to record a Main, Backing & two ISO recordings without the need for a 
separate VT truck.

BBC Unit 6 - Formerly North 1

That was more or less the way things were until 21^st March 2001 when 
BBC Television OBs, Manchester, closed down. On that day there was a 
final Closedown Party in the Transport Garage and all the remaining 
assets were transferred to the BBC?s London OB base at Kendal Avenue, 
Acton. Sometime following the takeover by Kendal Avenue, the North 
designation was dropped with North 1 becoming Unit 5, DCR1 becoming Unit 
6, North 3 becoming Unit 7 and North 4 becoming Unit 24.

BBC Unit 4 Formerly North


During 2007 BBC Tel.OB?s moved out of Kendal Avenue to a new base at 
Langley, Berkshire, just outside the M25 so as to qualify as ?out of 
London production?. The BBC sold its Tel.OBs division to SIS in April 
2008. In September 2013 SIS Live failed to win any BBC Sport contracts 
and shortly afterwards in March 2014 it announced the closure of its OB 
business, with the staff being made redundant. Some found work in Media 
City and some retired. Most entered the freelance market working on, for 
example /BBC Match Of The Day,/ but for the new supplier CTV. This was 
the end for many ex-BBC Manchester OB crew who had worked in studios and 
on OB?s for many years.


Postscript? :-

 ?????? North 1 type-5 was stripped out and failed to sell at the Mcr 
Commercial Vehicle Auction. It was subsequently re-fitted as a wardrobe 
truck in the Midlands. Many years later it appeared on E-bay much the 
worse for wear!

 ????? North 2 type-5 and North 3 type-5 were both exported to Nigeria

 ????? North 1 type-8 / Unit 5 was transferred to BBC Northern Ireland.

 ????? North 4 was scrapped, but its Calrec sound desk was sold and 
transferred to the privately restored LO23 (type-7).

 ?????? Unit 6 (ex-North 2) was scrapped and its digital kit was used as 
the basis for Unit 10, a new double expanding trailer unit with 
Production, Sound, Vision and three on-board VT areas.

 ?????? Unit 7 (ex- North 3 type 6) ended its BBC days in use as a 
drive-in gallery at Elstree for /?Top Of The Pops?/. Before being sold 
off, it was refitted with serial digital kit and exported.


MICHAEL COX? 1932 -2022

To all of those who knew Michael Cox, it was of great sadness to hear 
that he had past away on the 1st April. I can't say I knew him well but 
I was in awe of his name and reputation as an enterprising broadcast 
engineer and designer. In 1979, I was working for a production company 
in London. There were Sony Cameras and Bosch Fernseh VTs and then there 
was the Cox vision mixer. While, not surprisingly, Mr Sony or Mr Bosch 
never came into our studio, Michael Cox did on a couple of occasions and 
I was duly impressed by the man.

Norman Green was a colleague and good friend of Michael Cox
and has written the following obituary

Michael Hubert Cox, a giant in the evolution of the UK colour television 
industry, died on April 1st, 2022 after a long illness.

Michael, known to everyone as Mike, was born in Lancashire in 1932 and 
was the son of a Church of England vicar whose parish for seven years 
from 1933 was at the British Church, in Marseille in Southern France. At 
the outbreak of WWII, Mike and his mother returned to the UK to live in 
Oxford, where Mike attended The Dragon School. During this part of his 
education, Mike won a scholarship to Dulwich College which resulted in 
the family moving to live in South East London. On leaving Dulwich 
College in 1950 with university entrance qualifications, Mike went to 
University College London to study for a BSc in Electrical Engineering. 
At UCL he was a member of the Students Union Council and he participated 
in many of the student ?rag? activities, even once being arrested at a 
demonstration in 1953 resulting in him and his cohorts spending the 
night in the cells at Bow Street Police station before, luckily, all 
were released from custody without charge! Whilst at UCL, Mike joined 
the British Amateur Television Club and it was here, in 1955, that he 
built a television flying spot film scanner.

Mike did his National Service with the Fighter Control Unit, University 
of London Air Squadron.? He graduated in 1957 having had to re-sit the 
mathematics year, but he used his spare time in that year to good effect 
by tutoring other students! After National Service Mike joined the 
Marconi company in Chelmsford, on their Graduate Apprenticeship course. 
Participating with him on the Marconi course were many engineers who 
became prominent figures in the broadcast industry and who, in due 
course, were instrumental in setting up television systems around the 
world, particularly in Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Upon 
completion of the Marconi course, Mike went to work for Frazer Nash 
Electronics in Walton-Upon-Thames for a year.

In 1959, Mike joined Associated Rediffusion at Wembley as a studio 
maintenance engineer where he built an iconoscope camera in his spare time!

Then, in 1961 Mike joined ABC Television at their Teddington Studios, 
initially as planning engineer, then as Independent Television?s (ITV) 
only colour development engineer for some years. Here, he was involved 
in the investigations and demonstrations of NTSC, PAL, SECAM and NIR 
colour systems on 405, 525 and 625 lines.? At ABC Television, Mike 
worked for Howard Steele, who was the Chief Engineer and who went on to 
become Director of Engineering at the Independent Television Authority 
(ITA) in 1966. Whilst Steele was at ABC, he persuaded the ABC Board in 
1961 to invest some money in colour television investigation. They 
carefully considered that they should not replicate the work which the 
BBC were undertaking on NTSC and, at that time, the recently proposed 
SECAM system looked as if it had merit as an alternative system. As a 
result of the colour system investigation work of Mike and his team, 
Steele was invited to join the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) Ad Hoc 
Group charged with the decision-making of choice of the colour 
television system for Europe.


ABC TV Studio 3 - demonstration of 405 line SECAM to the Postmaster 
General, Ted Short, in October 1966, which convinced the Government to 
announce in February 1967 that colour television would start in November 
1969 on 625 lines PAL and be transmitted on UHF.

Two EMI? 204 colour cameras in 1964 at ABC studios


Mike and his small team gave demonstrations of various aspects of SECAM 
in the Studio at ABC Television to both EBU and CCIR groups. During 
these demonstrations they got to meet the ?great and good? of the 
European Television fraternity. The first ever SECAM vision mixer was 
demonstrated during this time, as was recording of programmes on the 
monochrome (RCA TR22) VTRs which were installed at Teddington.? They 
also designed and built a lot of other ancillary colour studio equipment 
because, at the time, it was simply just not available commercially.

Mike?s team also gave colour television demonstrations to the British 
General Post Office (GPO) to support a series of lectures which they 
were giving to interest groups around the UK. For these demonstrations, 
they required to have a SECAM video source because the alternative NTSC 
video source from the BBC would not have travelled far on the GPO?s 
video circuits of the time, due to their bandwidth limitations. The 
picture sources used in the demonstration were from a Rank Cintel 
polygon 35mm flying spot telecine machine and a crude colour caption 
facility consisting of Mike's home built vidicon camera and a colour 
synthesiser, which was the prototype, of what was later to become known 
in the industry as the ?COXBOX?.

With the change in Independent Television Franchises in 1968, Mike left 
ABC Television having made the decision to set up his own television 
equipment design and manufacturing company, Michael Cox Electronics Ltd 
(MCE). ?The successful uptake in the market of their first product, the 
aforementioned COXBOX, underpinned the company?s further development, 
and the company grew significantly, building up a good range of coding, 
switching and mixing products and, by 1985, the company employed 125 
staff. ?The ?COXBOX? name was given to the product by a German customer 
(ZDF), who bought one of the first units. In all, some 400 ?COXBOX? 
units were made between 1967 and 1982.

The ABC Clock coloured using a COXBOX

MCE was bought by Carlton Communications in 1985 and Mike left the 
company shortly afterwards.? In the following year, Mike helped 
financially with a management buy-out of a company from GEC-McMichael. 
Mike became a major shareholder and non-executive director of this new 
company which was set-up as Vistek Electronics, to manufacture monitors, 
coders and standards converters. Simultaneously, he set up Cox 
Associates Ltd and this company produced Test Signal Generators, Title 
Assemblers and various other electronic television ?black boxes?.
Mike joined the Institute of Electrical Engineers (IEE, now the IET) in 
1955, resigned in 1966 due to disagreeing with the Institutes proposed 
requirements for membership. He re-joined in 1986 and was awarded a 
Fellowship in the same year/./ It was during his time at Rediffusion 
that Mike joined the Royal Television Society (RTS) in 1958 and in 
subsequent years he became a Member of the RTS Council from 1967-1975, 
1977-80 and 1981-84. He was Chair of the RTS Papers Committee from 
1967-1975 and in this position, he helped organise the technical papers 
for the first International Broadcasting Convention (IBC) in 1967 of 
which the RTS was one of the sponsors. He was made a Fellow of the RTS 
in 1975 and was Chair of the RTS Future Development Committee from 
1977-1979.? In 1979, Mike joined SMPTE.? Mike Cox was appointed to the 
Board of Directors of the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) in 
1991 retiring in 2010. Patrick Swaffer, the President of the BBFC 
declared that Mike was a man full of good of good humour and common 
sense with a good business brain. He did not interfere with the 
classification side of the BBFC operation, contributing by just simply 
working hard to ensure the organisation was well resourced, financially 
stable and had the facilities to properly discharge its statutory duties 
and, in this regard, he was very supportive.

Mike was invited to join the IBC Management Committee in 1988, where he 
became Deputy Chairman in 1991 and then Vice President of IBC in 1998. 
Mike was deeply involved in the negotiations with the Institution of 
Electrical Engineers (IEE) in 1996 to allow it and all the other 
sponsoring organisations, RTS, IABM (International Trade Association for 
Broadcast and Media Technology), IEEE (Institute of Electrical and 
Electronic Engineers), SMPTE (Society of Motion Picture and Television 
Engineers) and SCTE (Society of Cable Telecommunication Engineers) to 
each have a shareholding in IBC.
In retirement, Mike built his own 3D colour television system in his 
sitting room and, when completed, took it to various amateur radio clubs 
and Universities in the South East of the UK with the flat projection 
screen used for the demonstrations tied precariously to the roof of his 
Fiat Panda car. On one occasion it fell off whilst he was driving on the 
M3 motorway, but luckily he was driving on the inside lane!


In 2006, Mike volunteered to help at the Richmond Talking Newspaper 
(RTN) and Alec Thomas, the then Chair of RTN, recalls Mike using his 
technical skills and mischievous sense of humour to migrate the whole 
operation from audio cassettes to digital media without any major 
problems. This resulted in RTN being one of the first Talking Newspapers 
in the UK to achieve this transition. Mike also arranged, through his 
Liberal Party connections, a monthly interview with the MP for Richmond, 
Vince Cable, to keep listeners informed.

Mike had a wonderful sense of humour, was superb at electronic circuit 
design (as such he had ?green fingers?) and he will be sorely missed by 
all who knew him in the industry.

Michael Hubert Cox, electronics engineer, was born on 30^th December 
1932. He died on April 1st, 2022 aged 89. He had latterly been suffering 
from dementia.

Norman Green
Photos - courtesy of Norman Green

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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Jun  9 15:37:05 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 21:37:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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I joined Mike Bond?s Crew 7 in November of 63, and Ron Green was his number 2. In just a month or two we did a La Traviata, with Geoff Dudley and I track/swinging Mike on the Mole, and a bit later a Nina and Frederik show in the TVT. Mike was indeed a calm and brilliant cameraman coping with relative novices (just over a year?s experience) with aplomb, and cheerfully holding court in the bar on a regular basis too. Anyone who worked with Mike had fond memories of being on his crew. I left all too soon to join Ken Major?s brand new Crew 16 in a rapidly expanding BBC just pre BBC2 in Feb of 64 and shortly afterwards Mike himself formed Crew 17 leaving a 34 year old Ron Green in charge of Crew 7 for the next 26 years.

Peter Fox

On 8 Jun 2022, at 18:45, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Thanks to everyone who replied - some e-mails arrived whilst I was still with Karen and she was really happy to know how highly her Dad was regarded.

I will pass on other e-mails (and the picture) to her.

Interesting day - part of a DNA series I?m doing for ITV that?s destined to hit the screens in September I believe.

Graham Maunder 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 8 Jun 2022, at 18:11, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
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> On reflection it might have been a post office/village shop rather than a pub. Memory!
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> Dave Newbitt.
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> From: David Newbitt
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 4:30 PM
> To: Graham Maunder ; Alec Bray
> Cc: Tech Ops ; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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> Agreement all round. I was on Mike?s crew for a spell and above all else he was just the nicest and kindest man you could ever meet. I think at the time it was crew 7 rather than 17 and If my memory serves me accurately the SA1 was Derek Saunders who resigned in favour of going off to run a pub in Cornwall with his wife. Anyone know how he fared?
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> Dave Newbitt.
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> From: Graham Maunder via Tech1
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> Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
> Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
> Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?
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>> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....
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MCR21 Newsletter ERRATUM JUNE? 2022 - Corrections

CORRECTIONS
Many readers have pointed out the confusion oveR the date of the MCR21 
launch at Amberley.
It is on Thursday 7th July - not the 8th.
We would love to see you then or any of the other days when MCR21 will 
be on display at Amberley Museum

If you wish to attend the launch please contact me
nick at mcr21.org.uk 07831 219957

Apologies for the confusion - my only excuse is that, in the haste to 
get the Newsletter out asap,? I didn't proof read it properly. Nick

Another Correction
BBC North OBs Article - captions
BBC Unit 6 was formerly North 2 (not North 1)
Last photo shows BBC North 4 (not Unit 4)



  NEWSLETTER

JUNE 2022

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MCR21 IS GOING ON DISPLAY
Come and join us at Amberley Museum
West Sussex BN18 9LT

The Museum is open Wednedays to Sundays
On Thursday 8th July we are having a special Launch Day
Please do join us for the Launch. We have arranged for admission to the 
whole museum and a light lunch for
 ?a special price of ?15.50

Please let me know as soon as possible If you would like to come to 
Amberley on the 8th July for the launch event and if you would like to 
bring someone with you.
(There are limited numbers)
Please email me nick at mcr21.org.uk
or Tel 07831 219957

Also please get in touch if you are able to be a volunteer one day or 
more at Amberley, talking to visitors about MCR21

There is a lot to see at Amberley Museum as well as MCR21

The Day When Television Became ?Respectable?
by Nick Gilbey
First published in the BBC Pensioners Association Christmas Newsletter 
December 2021

The date was Tuesday 2nd June 1953. It was an important date for our 
Queen ? It was her Coronation Day. It was also a seminal day for BBC 
Television. That day, 20 million people in the UK watched the Coronation 
on TV, that was against 11 million who listened to the events unfolding 
on the radio. From that date the number of people who watched television 
grew with haste, until nearly every home in the Country had a TV. As 
Professor ASA Briggs puts it in his official history of the BBC, ?All 
commentators agreed that television was here to stay and here to grow. 
The public?s appetite had been whetted?.

While there is no doubt that the televising of the Coronation was a 
great success, there is a question as to whether it would have been, if 
the original plans for televising the event had not been changed. In 
1937, the BBC televised the coronation of George VI, only covering the 
procession as it past through Apsley Gate at Hyde Park Corner. The 
original plan for Elizabeth II Coronation, announced by the Earl 
Marshall for the Coronation, the Duke of Norfolk, in October 1952, was 
again for the BBC to televise the procession, but not the ceremony 
inside Westminster Abbey.

BBC Television, in the guise of Seymour de Lotbiniere, Head of BBC TV 
Outside Broadcasts, and his assistant, Peter Dimmock, knew that this was 
the wrong decision and started to campaign to get cameras inside the 
Abbey. Peter Dimmock, coming from a military background, called it a war 
with Seymour de Lotbiniere being the commander- in chief and himself as 
the general. Perhaps the biggest weapon the BBC had in its arsenal was 
Peter Dimmock?s love of horse racing and being a member of the Turf 
Club, along with the Duke of Norfolk.

As Sir Paul Fox explains
/?Peter knew that televising the ceremony could only be done with the 
co-operation of the Duke of Norfolk. Peter knew the Duke because he was 
in //charge of the racing at Ascot and the BBC did Ascot racing. So 
Peter and Bernard Norfolk were on familiar terms and it was Peter who 
persuaded the Duke of Norfolk that cameras would be OK inside the Abbey.? /

There was one more step in the process of getting permission to televise 
the actual crowning ceremony. It had been agreed that permission would 
be granted to place a camera in the nave of the Abbey but not in the 
main part of the Abbey where the crowning would take place. Again, 
Seymour and Peter felt this was not satisfactory and arranged with the 
Duke to do a camera test at the Abbey.

Peter Dimmock -

/?We took an outside broadcast unit down to Westminster Abbey, and we 
put the camera below the choir screen. The Archbishop, the Duke of 
Norfolk, Ministry of Works and the press secretary of Buckingham Palace, 
they all came, and I was lucky enough, as none of them really understood 
television. So I put on a two-inch lens, which was the widest lens we?d 
got, and then got a girl to sit where the Queen would sit. And of 
course, she looked really small on the screen! I said, look it?s not 
going to upset the Queen. They were all worried, quite genuinely, about 
it being //too much of a strain for the Queen to know that she was on 
television. I said, no it won?t be a strain for her. Then another stroke 
of luck happened They complained about the lighting. I discovered that 
the film newsreels had
been given permission to put lighting in for a colour film camera. So I 
said we don?t need as much light as they do for a colour film camera. So 
that destroyed that argument. As a result of the tests, we were on 
tenterhooks for about 48 hours, and then the answer came through ?OK?.? /

While many ?battles? had been won, the war was not over. The question of 
how many cameras would be allowed in the Abbey and where they would be 
positioned had to be agreed. In the end four cameras were positioned in 
the central part of the Abbey. The Duke insisted that all the cameras 
and camera operators should be inconspicuous so an appeal went out, 
within the BBC, for small camera operators. A diminutive Tony Flanagan 
had to sit among the musicians next to the organ. His camera had the 
best view of the throne and was disguised by covering it with a black 
velvet cloth. D.R.G. Montagu, senior cameraman of the Midlands and North 
Unit, MCR 10, was operating Camera 3 high up behind the triforium, the 
gallery high above the Abbey floor. Monty Montague -"Behind the 
triforium,the Ministry of Works had set up a network of hastily 
constructed rooms or cubicles for operational requirements. I was in one 
of those, rather like a wooden cell with the roof too low for me to 
stand up straight, but equipped with a box seat and an electric fan. I 
used to enter with a sort of Groucho Marx straddle and make for the box 
seat where I could straighten up sitting down. From this seat I evolved 
numerous permutations of kneeling and sitting positions from which to 
make necessary adjustments and operational manoeuvres to the camera. In 
the cubicle over mine was Richard Dimbleby He seemed to have more room 
than me, for I could often hear him striding his floor above my head. I 
envied him his headroom. We knew each other very well by this time, 
through many previous programmes. He always used to call me Monty and 
this name has stuck ever since.?

Many more BBC personnel were working along the procession route. MCR 11 
from Scotland was at Hyde Park Corner, flying the Scottish flag attached 
to the control room. MCR12 from the Westcountry had de-rigged its 
cameras onto the Victoria Memorial, allowing one its Pye cameras, fitted 
with a very long lens, to capture those close- up shots of the Queen and 
her family on the Buckingham Palace balcony. MCR7 was on the Embankment. 
Stephen Wade, who was the stage manager working on that unit, recalls 
the morning of the Coronation. ?
/?I woke stiff from a night on an ex-army bed in someone?s office in 
Langham Place and had just time for a cup of tea before Wynford 
Vaughan-Thomas picked me up to give me a lift to my position on the 
Embankment. We had to pass //through massive gates that sealed off some 
of the roads to the route by, I think, 8.30am. This was part of the 
security system, not much by today?s standard but this was the age when 
such violence, as we have now, was unthinkable.? /

In a shed built in the Edward VII Chapel next to the Abbey, the BBC set 
up the television control room for the Abbey coverage. Peter Dimmock 
would direct this part of the Coronation with Seymour de Lotbiniere, at 
Broadcasting House, taking in the pictures from the Abbey, the five OB 
units along the procession route and the studio at Alexandra Palace, 
where Sylvia Peters would work as the continuity announcer for the day?s 
transmissions. Peter had arranged with Tony Bridgewater, who was in 
charge of BBC engineering, for producer, John Vernon, to operate the 
vision mixer. Days before the ceremony, Peter and John would rehearse 
the coverage and meticulously work out a ?shot? list. Whilst Peter 
Dimmock did not have a direct involvement in the Coronation proceedings, 
he provided some advice, which helped bring a sense of great occasion to 
the final chapter of the crowning ceremony.

Peter was not happy with the music, which was to be played after the 
crowning ceremony, as the Queen and her procession paraded down the aisle.

Peter Dimmock.
/?Arthur Bliss had written a special bit of music ? it was bloody awful. 
It was Princess Margaret who helped me here. We were having a meeting, 
which included me, John Snagge, Bernard Norfolk, and the Ministry of 
Works chap, Mackay, who was the orchestra leader. He said well we?ve got 
this marvellous bit of music and I said, please, please we want 
something dramatic, something really stirring. I mean this is a great 
occasion, and this music I?ve listened to, with respect, it really is 
pretty, pretty ordinary. Princess Margaret said, uncle (meaning the Duke 
of Norfolk) I think Peter Dimmock is right. I think that you do need a 
stronger piece and John Snagge said, I agree. In the end, Bernard 
Norfolk saw that was right. Then McKay, sensing what Bernard Norfolk was 
going to say, nipped in quickly to make it look as though it was his 
decision and said, ?Yes, I think we?ll go with one of the Pomp and 
Circumstances.? /

/Now you see that made a hell of a difference. I had a camera over the 
West Door for when the Queen proceeded out. I was able to hold her in 
close-up and I swear there wasn?t a dry eye in Britain, it was 
marvellous. There was so much, so many hurdles to overcome, and I was 
thrilled when it all came off because if that camera had broken down, 
for example, that would have ruined it.? /

In fact not a single one of the 20 cameras, used in the Abbey and 
covering the procession broke, down during the seven-hour broadcast. 
Televising the Coronation, used the entire operational fleet of BBC 
Television outside broadcast units. The cameras from BBC units, MCRs 8 
and 9, were the inside the Abbey. These cameras, Marconi Mk I and IIs 
had Image Orthicon tubes, which could produce much better pictures than 
the previous generation of cameras and certainly performed well in the 
Abbey. It was Peter Dimmock who persuaded the BBC to order these Image 
Orthicon cameras, which were designed in the USA, but built by Marconi 
in the UK, under a licensing agreement.

Whilst the lavish spectacle of the Coronation lifted the spirits of the 
British public, it was the same for many people living in Europe, Canada 
and the USA. Christian Dior wrote - ?The Coronation of the young 
Elizabeth II has filled, not only the British, but rather strangely the 
French too, and much of Europe, with renewed optimism and faith in the 
future?. It was perhaps fortunate, or forward planning, that the BBC in 
1950 had worked out how to get a broadcast television signal across the 
English Channel with a live broadcast from Calais, hosted by Richard 
Dimbleby. Now the signal was travelling in the opposite direction, 
allowing French, German and Dutch viewers to watch the Coronation live. 
Special arrangements were made so that viewers across the Atlantic could 
see the Coronation on the same day.

Special arrangements were made so that viewers across the Atlantic could 
see the Coronation on the same day. Jim Pople, who was a BBC film editor 
in 1953 and went on to direct many royal occasions for ITV, including 
Diana?s wedding to Prince Charles. Jim recalls. - ?With a hint of rain 
in the air, my trusty 500cc Matchless Twin motorbike was carrying me to 
Kays Laboratory at Finsbury Park where the Coronation Day transmission 
was being tele-recorded onto 35mm film. I assume that a tele-recording 
suite had been set up at the Lab as time was of the essence?.

?We eagerly awaited the first reel to come off the printer and a quick 
look in the preview theatre confirmed that the quality was going to be 
good. My job in the ?positive? room was to take the 1,000ft reels, put 
leaders and tails on them, can them up, label the cans and prepare them 
for each of the three sequences ? the Procession to the Abbey ? the 
Ceremony ? the Procession back to Buckingham Palace, were completed.? 
?With a despatch rider standing by, the reels were taken up to Alexandra 
Palace racecourse, where they were helicoptered to Heathrow, loaded into 
Canberra bombers and flown to America. In the days before satellites, 
the Canberra, courtesy of the RAF, was the fastest way to cross the 
Atlantic. Known as ?Operation Pony Express?, three Canberras left London 
Airport at 1.30pm, 3.15pm and 6.20pm, each taking just five hours for 
the journey. The full tele-recording was transmitted by Canadian TV at 
4.15pm local time and simultaneously sent to NBC and NBC from Montreal 
for showing in the United States.?

It is without doubt that due to the efforts of the BBC, and in 
particular those of Seymour de Lotbiniere and Peter Dimmock, an 
incredible number of people were able to watch this deeply religious, 
poignant and opulent occasion, either live or, with the use of the 
tele-recordings, within hours of the live broadcast and on the same day, 
as Canada and the USA were many hours behind UK time.

Perhaps more importantly, television had become ?respectable?. As Peter 
Dimmock put it ??if you went to a dinner party before the Coronation, 
and you mentioned television, most people would say... well, we haven?t 
got it. Maybe the servants had got it. After the Coronation, all the 
conversation was, ?Did you see that programme on television last week?? 
and that was the real watershed. I mean, television really came into its 
own then.?

Since that date, television cameras have been very welcome at all 
national events. There has been was one exemption, again taking place 
within Westminster Abbey. That was the funeral of Diana, Princess of 
Wales, when cameras were nearly banned from inside the Abbey - but that 
is another story.

BBC NORTH TELEVISION OBs? Part 2

By Jerry Clegg and Robin Stonestreet
Photo Credits - Doug Kipling, Jerry Clegg, Brian Summers, PyeTVT, Sony


**BBC North Oxford Road Studio Complex

The huge scanner-hall in New Broadcasting House, Manchester, opened in 
1976. It had dedicated bays to accommodate scanners fully powered-up? 
both electrically and mechanically. They could be undergoing mechanical 
and electronic servicing at the same time. There was even a rolling road 
to service and test the brakes.

NORTH 3 - CMCR 37 - A Type 5 Unit

In 1982 the three type-2 CMCR?s were replaced with three type-5 CMCR?s. 
CMCR 36 (KYY441X) became North 1, CMCR 37 (NYN34Y) became North 3 and 
CMCR 38 (NYN81Y) became North 2, these were all equipped with 8 x 
Philips LDK5 triax camera CCU?s. Five LDK5 1? tube cameras were supplied 
for each truck. There were also three base spare channels. Each camera 
was supplied with a Schneider 30x12.5 standard box lens and each truck 
carried two Schneider 30x26 narrow angle lenses. Mountings were Vinten 
Mk7 heads. In addition, two LDK15 portable cameras were originally 
provided. These worked into the LDK5 CCU via the hip pack and a Portable 
Processing Unit (PPU). These two cameras could provide a lightweight 
capability to any of the three units. Later the LDK15 cameras were 
replaced with three LDK14 camera heads using 2/3? tubes and Schneider 
14x lenses. These worked into the LDK5 CCUs via an LDK 514 Portable 
Interface Unit (PIU).

Philips LDK 5 Camera with Schneider 30 x 12.5 Box Lens

 ?? Philips LDK 15 ? ? LDK 14

These two cameras could provide a lightweight capability to any of the 
three units. Later the LDK15 cameras were replaced with three LDK14 
camera heads using 2/3? tubes and Schneider 14x lenses. These worked 
into the LDK5 CCUs via an LDK 514 Portable Interface Unit (PIU). In 1988 
the LDK14 camera heads were replaced with Ikegami HL79D cameras working 
through the same PIU into the LDK5 CCU. In August 1990, to improve the 
reliability of the handheld cameras, each type 5 was equipped with an 
Ikegami TA79 triax CCU.

Ikegami HL -79

The type 5s had four operational areas, the cab which could be used as a 
caption area, Vision control room, Production area with Grass Valley 
1600 vision mixer and Sound who had a Neve 24 channel stereo sound desk 
with four groups and two 10-channel sub-mixers. Sound also had a Studer 
B62 tape machine and a bay-mounted cassette recorder/player. The BBC Mk2 
communication system included a very versatile 50 x 100 pin patch matrix 
for routing sources and two Storno VHF/UHF transceiver base stations for 
on-site communications

In 1987 a single camera unit was added to the Manchester OB fleet, this 
was a Ford Transit panel van (D89FUW) locally built with a single 
Ikegami TA79 triax CCU running an HL79D camera head, with a location 
sound mixer and communication set up. There was space for a VPR5 1? 
video tape recorder. The camera & recorder could also work remote from 
the van with a monitor for vision control and power all rigged on a 
folding trolley. Its first shows were /the Tom O?Connor Roadshow/ 
followed by a location drama /Beautiful Lies/.

 >From January to May 1987 a second single camera unit was formed by 
taking a camera from the LMCR and pairing it with a second VPR5 1?VTR, 
this was used for /Open Air/, the new daytime show from the BBC. This 
aired every weekday 11:30-12:30 from Studio B in Manchester. In April 
1988 the LMCR was renamed North 4 and the SCU became North 5.

In the late 80s and early 90s Tech Ops collaborated with the Film Unit 
to train two PSC crews equipped with Ikegami HL79D cameras and Sony 
BVU110 recorders. Film was passing out of favour and PSC was the up and 
coming format. The relative portability of the new kit made travel all 
over the world possible enabling Manchester PSC crews to do /Rough 
Guides/ and /the Russell Harty Show/ in far and wide locations. In May 
1988 a third kit was established with a Sony BVP330 camera. In October 
1988 two LDK90 frame transfer CCD cameras replaced the HL79s and in 
November two Thomson 1640 IT CCD cameras were added. These four new 
cameras were equipped with docking Sony BVP5 Beta SP backs. BVP35 Beta 
SP field recorders and a BVP50 field recorder / player were also available.
The SCU was retired in April 1993, the requirement for 1? VTR single 
camera units having been replaced with firstly Beta SP then Digibeta 
camcorders

In the late 80s BBC Manchester?s Studio A was closed for a major 
enlargement and refit. During this time a new temporary studio was 
created at Brunswick Dock, Liverpool. This was serviced by the ex-Scot 1 
type-4? CMCR 17 (LUU374P), using EMI 2005 cameras from Studio A in 
preference to the ex-Scottish Link 110 cameras.? A side was cut out of 
the vehicle to make an enlarged production gallery. The Liverpool Studio 
replaced Studio A from early 1988 until March 1991, initially as a 
drive-in using one of the operational scanners.

Type 4 CMCR 17 From BBC Scotland

 ???????????????? Sony BVP 70 ?????? Sony BVP 370

In May 1991 both North 2 and North 3 received new cameras to replace the 
original Philips ones. Each truck received 2 x Sony BVP 370 & 4 x BVP 70 
FIT CCD cameras working into Sony CCU370 CCUs. There was also a full 
complement of new lenses and mountings including box 20:1 & 55:1 lenses, 
a standard 18x lens for each lightweight and a couple of Fuji 8.5 x 5.5 
wide angles along with new Vinten Mk7 pan and tilt heads and Vision 20 
lightweight head and legs. This brought about a big improvement in 
picture quality, it also reduced the need for skilled engineers who 
could get good pictures out of the 'tube based' cameras and the hours 
taken to line them up.

Big changes started to come along in 1993 as the three type-5 scanners 
neared the end of their working lives. North 1 type-5 was withdrawn in 
1993 (last show 10^th April 1993: MOTD Man U v Sheff W) followed by 
North 3 (last show racing from Haydock Park Monday 3^rd May 1993) and 
finally North 2 in 1994. The arrival of North 2?s replacement in 
Manchester was delayed as it was ?borrowed? by Kendal Avenue to cover 
modification work on their early type-8 CMCRs.


The three type-5 units were replaced by a brand new North 1 type-8 
(L227GUW), CMCR66? and two ex-National Regions type-6 units: Wales 1 
(D358FUW) and Scot 2 (E38EOY). The ex-Scot 2 type-6 unit now titled Unit 
29 entered service with Ice Hockey from Whitley Bay 10^th April 1993, 
followed by Ice Hockey back in Scotland before travelling to London for 
the London Marathon from Horse Guards Parade. The ex-Wales unit became 
Unit 39 and entered service for Manchester as the Transmission gallery 
for World Snooker from Sheffield on 15^th April 1993. It was renamed 
North 3 on 6^th May 1993 for Badminton Horse Trials (Remote site OB).

CMCR56 (H699XUU). The unit arrived without any cameras, so the Ikegami 
HL55s were installed and the unit became North 4.

During 1993 North 3 received an upgraded Production area with an 
expanding side and a new Grass Valley 200 vision mixer.

Following the introduction of ?Producer Choice? the facilities in 
Manchester were re-organised into Production Facilities Groups, with a 
split between Television and Radio. Radio facilities were absorbed back 
into the BBC along with regional broadcasting. Both these areas were 
deemed not suitable for commercial operations.
On 3^rd October 1994 the Manchester TV OB business was merged with 
London TV OBs, the units and crew remained in the North but management 
of the operation transferred to Kendal Avenue. The TV OB group took over 
the transport building and the former scanner hall was turned into 
office space. The BBC Manchester Studio and Post Production business 
continued until 2000 before being merged into ?360 Media?, based at 
Granada Quay Street, once it had received approval frm the Department 
for Digital,Culture, Media and Sport.

In January 1994 the Manchester units were, North 1 type-8? CMCR 66 
(L227GUW), North 2 type-6 CMCR 49 (E38EOY), North 3 type-6 CMCR 48 
(D358FUW) and North 4 type-7 CMCR56 (H699XUU). The first three were all 
equipped with 6 x Sony 370 CCU operating 2 x BVP370 & 4 x BVP70 CCD 
triax cameras and North 4 had 4 x Ikegami HL55 CCD cameras running on 
TA79 triax CCU?s.

During the winter of 1994-95 North 2 was out of service for conversion 
to the BBC?s first Serial Digital outside broadcast unit, with an 
expanding side to the production area. It had a Grass Valley 4000 vision 
mixer and 8 x Ikegami HL466 4 CCD cameras and full complement of new CCD 
grade lenses. The cameras and lenses were widescreen switchable. Its 
first OB was MOTD from Norwich on 29^th April 1995. To identify it as a 
Digital unit the name was changed to DCR1 (Digital Control Room 1). The 
original Calrec analogue sound desk remained. There was also space 
created for four cassette based VTR?s either Beta SP with outboard 
Digital to Analogue converters or Digibeta. This allowed the one truck 
to record a Main, Backing & two ISO recordings without the need for a 
separate VT truck.

BBC Unit 6 - Formerly North 1

That was more or less the way things were until 21^st March 2001 when 
BBC Television OBs, Manchester, closed down. On that day there was a 
final Closedown Party in the Transport Garage and all the remaining 
assets were transferred to the BBC?s London OB base at Kendal Avenue, 
Acton. Sometime following the takeover by Kendal Avenue, the North 
designation was dropped with North 1 becoming Unit 5, DCR1 becoming Unit 
6, North 3 becoming Unit 7 and North 4 becoming Unit 24.

BBC Unit 4 Formerly North


During 2007 BBC Tel.OB?s moved out of Kendal Avenue to a new base at 
Langley, Berkshire, just outside the M25 so as to qualify as ?out of 
London production?. The BBC sold its Tel.OBs division to SIS in April 
2008. In September 2013 SIS Live failed to win any BBC Sport contracts 
and shortly afterwards in March 2014 it announced the closure of its OB 
business, with the staff being made redundant. Some found work in Media 
City and some retired. Most entered the freelance market working on, for 
example /BBC Match Of The Day,/ but for the new supplier CTV. This was 
the end for many ex-BBC Manchester OB crew who had worked in studios and 
on OB?s for many years.


Postscript? :-

 ?????? North 1 type-5 was stripped out and failed to sell at the Mcr 
Commercial Vehicle Auction. It was subsequently re-fitted as a wardrobe 
truck in the Midlands. Many years later it appeared on E-bay much the 
worse for wear!

 ????? North 2 type-5 and North 3 type-5 were both exported to Nigeria

 ????? North 1 type-8 / Unit 5 was transferred to BBC Northern Ireland.

 ????? North 4 was scrapped, but its Calrec sound desk was sold and 
transferred to the privately restored LO23 (type-7).

 ?????? Unit 6 (ex-North 2) was scrapped and its digital kit was used as 
the basis for Unit 10, a new double expanding trailer unit with 
Production, Sound, Vision and three on-board VT areas.

 ?????? Unit 7 (ex- North 3 type 6) ended its BBC days in use as a 
drive-in gallery at Elstree for /?Top Of The Pops?/. Before being sold 
off, it was refitted with serial digital kit and exported.


MICHAEL COX? 1932 -2022

To all of those who knew Michael Cox, it was of great sadness to hear 
that he had past away on the 1st April. I can't say I knew him well but 
I was in awe of his name and reputation as an enterprising broadcast 
engineer and designer. In 1979, I was working for a production company 
in London. There were Sony Cameras and Bosch Fernseh VTs and then there 
was the Cox vision mixer. While, not surprisingly, Mr Sony or Mr Bosch 
never came into our studio, Michael Cox did on a couple of occasions and 
I was duly impressed by the man.

Norman Green was a colleague and good friend of Michael Cox
and has written the following obituary

Michael Hubert Cox, a giant in the evolution of the UK colour television 
industry, died on April 1st, 2022 after a long illness.

Michael, known to everyone as Mike, was born in Lancashire in 1932 and 
was the son of a Church of England vicar whose parish for seven years 
from 1933 was at the British Church, in Marseille in Southern France. At 
the outbreak of WWII, Mike and his mother returned to the UK to live in 
Oxford, where Mike attended The Dragon School. During this part of his 
education, Mike won a scholarship to Dulwich College which resulted in 
the family moving to live in South East London. On leaving Dulwich 
College in 1950 with university entrance qualifications, Mike went to 
University College London to study for a BSc in Electrical Engineering. 
At UCL he was a member of the Students Union Council and he participated 
in many of the student ?rag? activities, even once being arrested at a 
demonstration in 1953 resulting in him and his cohorts spending the 
night in the cells at Bow Street Police station before, luckily, all 
were released from custody without charge! Whilst at UCL, Mike joined 
the British Amateur Television Club and it was here, in 1955, that he 
built a television flying spot film scanner.

Mike did his National Service with the Fighter Control Unit, University 
of London Air Squadron.? He graduated in 1957 having had to re-sit the 
mathematics year, but he used his spare time in that year to good effect 
by tutoring other students! After National Service Mike joined the 
Marconi company in Chelmsford, on their Graduate Apprenticeship course. 
Participating with him on the Marconi course were many engineers who 
became prominent figures in the broadcast industry and who, in due 
course, were instrumental in setting up television systems around the 
world, particularly in Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Upon 
completion of the Marconi course, Mike went to work for Frazer Nash 
Electronics in Walton-Upon-Thames for a year.

In 1959, Mike joined Associated Rediffusion at Wembley as a studio 
maintenance engineer where he built an iconoscope camera in his spare time!

Then, in 1961 Mike joined ABC Television at their Teddington Studios, 
initially as planning engineer, then as Independent Television?s (ITV) 
only colour development engineer for some years. Here, he was involved 
in the investigations and demonstrations of NTSC, PAL, SECAM and NIR 
colour systems on 405, 525 and 625 lines.? At ABC Television, Mike 
worked for Howard Steele, who was the Chief Engineer and who went on to 
become Director of Engineering at the Independent Television Authority 
(ITA) in 1966. Whilst Steele was at ABC, he persuaded the ABC Board in 
1961 to invest some money in colour television investigation. They 
carefully considered that they should not replicate the work which the 
BBC were undertaking on NTSC and, at that time, the recently proposed 
SECAM system looked as if it had merit as an alternative system. As a 
result of the colour system investigation work of Mike and his team, 
Steele was invited to join the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) Ad Hoc 
Group charged with the decision-making of choice of the colour 
television system for Europe.


ABC TV Studio 3 - demonstration of 405 line SECAM to the Postmaster 
General, Ted Short, in October 1966, which convinced the Government to 
announce in February 1967 that colour television would start in November 
1969 on 625 lines PAL and be transmitted on UHF.

Two EMI? 204 colour cameras in 1964 at ABC studios


Mike and his small team gave demonstrations of various aspects of SECAM 
in the Studio at ABC Television to both EBU and CCIR groups. During 
these demonstrations they got to meet the ?great and good? of the 
European Television fraternity. The first ever SECAM vision mixer was 
demonstrated during this time, as was recording of programmes on the 
monochrome (RCA TR22) VTRs which were installed at Teddington.? They 
also designed and built a lot of other ancillary colour studio equipment 
because, at the time, it was simply just not available commercially.

Mike?s team also gave colour television demonstrations to the British 
General Post Office (GPO) to support a series of lectures which they 
were giving to interest groups around the UK. For these demonstrations, 
they required to have a SECAM video source because the alternative NTSC 
video source from the BBC would not have travelled far on the GPO?s 
video circuits of the time, due to their bandwidth limitations. The 
picture sources used in the demonstration were from a Rank Cintel 
polygon 35mm flying spot telecine machine and a crude colour caption 
facility consisting of Mike's home built vidicon camera and a colour 
synthesiser, which was the prototype, of what was later to become known 
in the industry as the ?COXBOX?.

With the change in Independent Television Franchises in 1968, Mike left 
ABC Television having made the decision to set up his own television 
equipment design and manufacturing company, Michael Cox Electronics Ltd 
(MCE). ?The successful uptake in the market of their first product, the 
aforementioned COXBOX, underpinned the company?s further development, 
and the company grew significantly, building up a good range of coding, 
switching and mixing products and, by 1985, the company employed 125 
staff. ?The ?COXBOX? name was given to the product by a German customer 
(ZDF), who bought one of the first units. In all, some 400 ?COXBOX? 
units were made between 1967 and 1982.

The ABC Clock coloured using a COXBOX

MCE was bought by Carlton Communications in 1985 and Mike left the 
company shortly afterwards.? In the following year, Mike helped 
financially with a management buy-out of a company from GEC-McMichael. 
Mike became a major shareholder and non-executive director of this new 
company which was set-up as Vistek Electronics, to manufacture monitors, 
coders and standards converters. Simultaneously, he set up Cox 
Associates Ltd and this company produced Test Signal Generators, Title 
Assemblers and various other electronic television ?black boxes?.
Mike joined the Institute of Electrical Engineers (IEE, now the IET) in 
1955, resigned in 1966 due to disagreeing with the Institutes proposed 
requirements for membership. He re-joined in 1986 and was awarded a 
Fellowship in the same year/./ It was during his time at Rediffusion 
that Mike joined the Royal Television Society (RTS) in 1958 and in 
subsequent years he became a Member of the RTS Council from 1967-1975, 
1977-80 and 1981-84. He was Chair of the RTS Papers Committee from 
1967-1975 and in this position, he helped organise the technical papers 
for the first International Broadcasting Convention (IBC) in 1967 of 
which the RTS was one of the sponsors. He was made a Fellow of the RTS 
in 1975 and was Chair of the RTS Future Development Committee from 
1977-1979.? In 1979, Mike joined SMPTE.? Mike Cox was appointed to the 
Board of Directors of the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) in 
1991 retiring in 2010. Patrick Swaffer, the President of the BBFC 
declared that Mike was a man full of good of good humour and common 
sense with a good business brain. He did not interfere with the 
classification side of the BBFC operation, contributing by just simply 
working hard to ensure the organisation was well resourced, financially 
stable and had the facilities to properly discharge its statutory duties 
and, in this regard, he was very supportive.

Mike was invited to join the IBC Management Committee in 1988, where he 
became Deputy Chairman in 1991 and then Vice President of IBC in 1998. 
Mike was deeply involved in the negotiations with the Institution of 
Electrical Engineers (IEE) in 1996 to allow it and all the other 
sponsoring organisations, RTS, IABM (International Trade Association for 
Broadcast and Media Technology), IEEE (Institute of Electrical and 
Electronic Engineers), SMPTE (Society of Motion Picture and Television 
Engineers) and SCTE (Society of Cable Telecommunication Engineers) to 
each have a shareholding in IBC.
In retirement, Mike built his own 3D colour television system in his 
sitting room and, when completed, took it to various amateur radio clubs 
and Universities in the South East of the UK with the flat projection 
screen used for the demonstrations tied precariously to the roof of his 
Fiat Panda car. On one occasion it fell off whilst he was driving on the 
M3 motorway, but luckily he was driving on the inside lane!


In 2006, Mike volunteered to help at the Richmond Talking Newspaper 
(RTN) and Alec Thomas, the then Chair of RTN, recalls Mike using his 
technical skills and mischievous sense of humour to migrate the whole 
operation from audio cassettes to digital media without any major 
problems. This resulted in RTN being one of the first Talking Newspapers 
in the UK to achieve this transition. Mike also arranged, through his 
Liberal Party connections, a monthly interview with the MP for Richmond, 
Vince Cable, to keep listeners informed.

Mike had a wonderful sense of humour, was superb at electronic circuit 
design (as such he had ?green fingers?) and he will be sorely missed by 
all who knew him in the industry.

Michael Hubert Cox, electronics engineer, was born on 30^th December 
1932. He died on April 1st, 2022 aged 89. He had latterly been suffering 
from dementia.

Norman Green
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun 10 05:57:17 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 11:57:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter ERRATUM
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I was fascinated by the OB story attached.

I watched the Derby from Epsom (I live quite near to the Downs), OK that 
was ITV, but as a sound man I was wondering about the range of the 
handheld radio mics in use. Were they 'beefed' up or received by an 
interim? booster for bouncing to the scanner? The steadicam at the 
ride-in had to be radioed, so was audio multiplexed into it?

Anyone know - this ageing sound guy would be interested.


Pat

TVC 1961-68

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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 07:48:45 2022
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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Yes, I was on Crew 7 in the 50?s and early 60?s when Mike Bond was on the crew - a good friend.

 I remember tracking him on a children?s programme which he had written. Don?t think the director whoever it was knew!

> On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:00, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
> Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
> Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?
> 
> Graham Maunder
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <IQ0CMFyNgAorHK3y.png>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> =======
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 09:57:51 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:57:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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Would that be Paddington on 'Jackanory' in early 1966?


________________________________________
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 10 June 2022 1:48 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches

Yes, I was on Crew 7 in the 50?s and early 60?s when Mike Bond was on the crew - a good friend.

 I remember tracking him on a children?s programme which he had written. Don?t think the director whoever it was knew!

On 8 Jun 2022, at 14:00, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Quite by chance working on a programme today where we are with Karen, Michael?s daughter and an original Paddington Bear that was made by Jeremy Clarkson?s mum of all people!!!
Needless to say she was very chuffed with the Jubilee appearance!
Anyone on here work with Michael? What crew was he on?

Graham Maunder

<image0.jpeg>

Sent from my iPhone

On 7 Jun 2022, at 14:48, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?

Hi,

I bet dear old Mike Bond would have been thoroughly chuffed to bits by this....


<IQ0CMFyNgAorHK3y.png>


Best regards,


Alec


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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 10:16:28 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 15:16:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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It's just occurred to me that Hartnell must have filmed the 'aging to death' scene for Master Plan the same week his Aunt Bessie had died.

No wonder he was miserable.

From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 10 10:37:44 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 16:37:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Arena fraud
Message-ID: <610B55D8-841C-4CE0-B31F-0E5A9941F395@me.com>

For those who were interested in what happened about Arena Television and the ?280 million which has disappeared, this article outlines how the fraud was carried out. 
https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/tech/court-filings-unveil-arena-tv-fraud-details/5168600.article

As far as I am aware, Richard has not yet been apprehended.  The way the fraud was set up seemed to be very complex and deliberate, therefore I would imagine that he had devised an equally sophisticated plan to carefully conceal his tracks after vanishing.

In years to come, when more details emerge, I reckon this story could be made into a movie. It?s got all the ingredients needed for an amazing film.

Alan
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 12:37:39 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 18:37:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
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Bill Fraser shared the same personality trait, as I found when working with on the sitcom It?s Your Funeral and chatting with him between rehearsals. He?d previously been in The Army Game along with William Hartnell and Alfie Bass though I can?t comment on the latter,
Geoff


> On 10 Jun 2022, at 16:17, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?It's just occurred to me that Hartnell must have filmed the 'aging to death' scene for Master Plan the same week his Aunt Bessie had died.
> 
> No wonder he was miserable.
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 13:55:31 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 18:55:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches
In-Reply-To: <C249495F-8BE8-4531-8932-5D31596F1E39@gmail.com>
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Ooops. Thought I'd caught that one before it went out, to the wrong recipients.

Was intended for elsewhere as it wouldn't make much sense in this thread. Please ignore.



________________________________________
From: Geoffrey Hawkes <geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com>
Sent: 10 June 2022 6:37 PM
To: David Brunt
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Tony Briselden
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ma'amalade sandwiches

Bill Fraser shared the same personality trait, as I found when working with on the sitcom It?s Your Funeral and chatting with him between rehearsals. He?d previously been in The Army Game along with William Hartnell and Alfie Bass though I can?t comment on the latter,
Geoff


> On 10 Jun 2022, at 16:17, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?It's just occurred to me that Hartnell must have filmed the 'aging to death' scene for Master Plan the same week his Aunt Bessie had died.
>
> No wonder he was miserable.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jun 11 01:46:22 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 07:46:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Arena fraud
In-Reply-To: <610B55D8-841C-4CE0-B31F-0E5A9941F395@me.com>
References: <610B55D8-841C-4CE0-B31F-0E5A9941F395@me.com>
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There was a rumour that they had gone to Morocco as there is no extradition treaty for fraud cases.

Graeme Wall

> On 10 Jun 2022, at 16:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?For those who were interested in what happened about Arena Television and the ?280 million which has disappeared, this article outlines how the fraud was carried out. 
> https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/tech/court-filings-unveil-arena-tv-fraud-details/5168600.article
> 
> As far as I am aware, Richard has not yet been apprehended.  The way the fraud was set up seemed to be very complex and deliberate, therefore I would imagine that he had devised an equally sophisticated plan to carefully conceal his tracks after vanishing.
> 
> In years to come, when more details emerge, I reckon this story could be made into a movie. It?s got all the ingredients needed for an amazing film.
> 
> Alan
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jun 13 16:24:32 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 22:24:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News
Message-ID: <B00B42F5-3E48-4F6C-BA90-7FE30A623090@mac.com>

Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.

Mike G



From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 13 17:50:27 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 23:50:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News
In-Reply-To: <B00B42F5-3E48-4F6C-BA90-7FE30A623090@mac.com>
References: <B00B42F5-3E48-4F6C-BA90-7FE30A623090@mac.com>
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I?m told there was a preview of the new setup at the end of the One Show this evening, given by Huw Edwards. I haven?t seen it but will watch it later on iPlayer.
I did see the ten o?clock news however and didn?t like the new style of presentation with more of it, interviews included, done in long shot with Huw wandering across from the news desk. I too wondered if it was VR but don?t know. I didn?t like the lighting or the increase in colour temperature which did Huw no favours,

Geoff

> On 13 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.
> 
> Mike G
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Jun 13 18:06:08 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 00:06:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News
In-Reply-To: <791C9E0A-9549-4910-864E-16427201C2F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gpn5eqo7eolknsajes46f4o7.1655161568098@pgtmedia.co.uk>


Hi Geoff,
It's all real, not VR . 
It's the one studio at LBH that had real cameras with ops not robots  and was used pre covid for Newsnight. Its now new robot cameras and no camera staff. 

Paul

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07802 243979

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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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To: mibridge at mac.com
Reply to: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News


I?m told there was a preview of the new setup at the end of the One Show this evening, given by Huw Edwards. I haven?t seen it but will watch it later on iPlayer.
I did see the ten o?clock news however and didn?t like the new style of presentation with more of it, interviews included, done in long shot with Huw wandering across from the news desk. I too wondered if it was VR but don?t know. I didn?t like the lighting or the increase in colour temperature which did Huw no favours,

Geoff

> On 13 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.
>
> Mike G
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 13 18:27:34 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 00:27:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News
In-Reply-To: <gpn5eqo7eolknsajes46f4o7.1655161568098@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <gpn5eqo7eolknsajes46f4o7.1655161568098@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F8990D9-2D94-47D3-A3A8-456BDBD30AA5@gmail.com>

Hi Paul,
I thought it probably was real rather than virtual as it looked to solid but thanks for confirming. I heard something about them using new Scandinavian cameras, whatever they may be? I assumed they would be all robotic cameras (as I think it was before) but it?s better not to see them or the rails in shot. Are they still controlled but an operator, Radamec see-and-select style in the gallery or is it all run by computer now?
Geoff

> On 14 Jun 2022, at 00:06, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Geoff,
> It's all real, not VR . 
> It's the one studio at LBH that had real cameras with ops not robots  and was used pre covid for Newsnight. Its now new robot cameras and no camera staff. 
> 
> Paul
> 
>  
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 
> 07802 243979
> 
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> 
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> 
> 
>      Original Message      
> 
> 
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 13 June 2022 23:50
> To: mibridge at mac.com
> Reply to: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News
> 
> 
> I?m told there was a preview of the new setup at the end of the One Show this evening, given by Huw Edwards. I haven?t seen it but will watch it later on iPlayer.
> I did see the ten o?clock news however and didn?t like the new style of presentation with more of it, interviews included, done in long shot with Huw wandering across from the news desk. I too wondered if it was VR but don?t know. I didn?t like the lighting or the increase in colour temperature which did Huw no favours,
> 
> Geoff
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 01:37:53 2022
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:37:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News
In-Reply-To: <3F8990D9-2D94-47D3-A3A8-456BDBD30AA5@gmail.com>
References: <gpn5eqo7eolknsajes46f4o7.1655161568098@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<3F8990D9-2D94-47D3-A3A8-456BDBD30AA5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4C6O-d5+D-1FMY7vc4k3bPA-OmvBk9w--Oanw2p+JoWgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm told the robotic system is called "Electric Friends" and it looks like
tall pillar boxes moving around. https://www.electricfriends.net/

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, 00:28 Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> I thought it probably was real rather than virtual as it looked to solid
> but thanks for confirming. I heard something about them using new
> Scandinavian cameras, whatever they may be? I assumed they would be all
> robotic cameras (as I think it was before) but it?s better not to see them
> or the rails in shot. Are they still controlled but an operator, Radamec
> see-and-select style in the gallery or is it all run by computer now?
> Geoff
>
> > On 14 Jun 2022, at 00:06, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi Geoff,
> > It's all real, not VR .
> > It's the one studio at LBH that had real cameras with ops not robots
> and was used pre covid for Newsnight. Its now new robot cameras and no
> camera staff.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Thackray
> >
> > PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> >
> > 07802 243979
> >
> > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> >
> > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> >
> > Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> >
> > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> >
> >
> >
> >      Original Message
> >
> >
> > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Sent: 13 June 2022 23:50
> > To: mibridge at mac.com
> > Reply to: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com
> > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News
> >
> >
> > I?m told there was a preview of the new setup at the end of the One Show
> this evening, given by Huw Edwards. I haven?t seen it but will watch it
> later on iPlayer.
> > I did see the ten o?clock news however and didn?t like the new style of
> presentation with more of it, interviews included, done in long shot with
> Huw wandering across from the news desk. I too wondered if it was VR but
> don?t know. I didn?t like the lighting or the increase in colour
> temperature which did Huw no favours,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> >> On 13 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think
> they?ve over-egged the shadows.
> >>
> >> Mike G
> >>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Jun 14 02:04:31 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:04:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4C6O-d5+D-1FMY7vc4k3bPA-OmvBk9w--Oanw2p+JoWgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gpn5eqo7eolknsajes46f4o7.1655161568098@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<3F8990D9-2D94-47D3-A3A8-456BDBD30AA5@gmail.com>
	<CAE6tP4C6O-d5+D-1FMY7vc4k3bPA-OmvBk9w--Oanw2p+JoWgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D69021AC-06EB-4D31-96C8-06719639B24C@icloud.com>

Cameramen will be eliminated, will be elimnated, will be?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 14 Jun 2022, at 07:37, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I'm told the robotic system is called "Electric Friends" and it looks like tall pillar boxes moving around. https://www.electricfriends.net/
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, 00:28 Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> I thought it probably was real rather than virtual as it looked to solid but thanks for confirming. I heard something about them using new Scandinavian cameras, whatever they may be? I assumed they would be all robotic cameras (as I think it was before) but it?s better not to see them or the rails in shot. Are they still controlled but an operator, Radamec see-and-select style in the gallery or is it all run by computer now?
> Geoff
> 
> > On 14 Jun 2022, at 00:06, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > ?
> > Hi Geoff,
> > It's all real, not VR . 
> > It's the one studio at LBH that had real cameras with ops not robots  and was used pre covid for Newsnight. Its now new robot cameras and no camera staff. 
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Paul Thackray
> > 
> > PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> > 
> > 07802 243979
> > 
> > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> > 
> > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> > 
> > Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> > 
> > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      Original Message      
> > 
> > 
> > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Sent: 13 June 2022 23:50
> > To: mibridge at mac.com
> > Reply to: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com
> > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News
> > 
> > 
> > I?m told there was a preview of the new setup at the end of the One Show this evening, given by Huw Edwards. I haven?t seen it but will watch it later on iPlayer.
> > I did see the ten o?clock news however and didn?t like the new style of presentation with more of it, interviews included, done in long shot with Huw wandering across from the news desk. I too wondered if it was VR but don?t know. I didn?t like the lighting or the increase in colour temperature which did Huw no favours,
> > 
> > Geoff
> > 
> >> On 13 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> ?Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.
> >> 
> >> Mike G
> >> 
> >> 
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Tue Jun 14 03:29:01 2022
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:29:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News
In-Reply-To: <B00B42F5-3E48-4F6C-BA90-7FE30A623090@mac.com>
References: <B00B42F5-3E48-4F6C-BA90-7FE30A623090@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001901d87fc8$cce55d00$66b01700$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Here is a 'walk-around' the new facilities by Huw Edwards - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61785325

Rob


Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.

Mike G






From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 05:50:40 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:50:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ancient tech
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Now in a glass case in Chester Cathedral
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 15:56:47 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 21:56:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
Message-ID: <004e01d88031$42fefe70$c8fcfb50$@gmail.com>

Thanks for sending the link to the preview as it saved me finding it on iPlayer. I looked at it this morning and can't say I share Huw Edwards' enthusiasm for the new setup. They seem to want to make a big production with presenter walkabouts of what in essence is a newsreader reading straight to camera, with one-to-one interviews or down-the-line reports from correspondents thrown in.
It must've cost a lot with all the new equipment and I wonder how they justified it unless there's a cost saving element involved with it,

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 14 June 2022 09:29
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News

Here is a 'walk-around' the new facilities by Huw Edwards - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61785325

Rob


Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jun 14 16:12:03 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 22:12:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
In-Reply-To: <004e01d88031$42fefe70$c8fcfb50$@gmail.com>
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No camera staff going forward is an obvious savings. The press release talks about it being used for general elections etc. I am sure on paper, this is a saving over hiring another studio. 
An accountant would deprecate kit over 5, 7 or 10 years. As LBH kit is now 10 years old , the accountants would say its of no value, so has to be replaced! You or I would say some kit is no issue for years more, other kit has been passed it for years!

The difference between bean counters and those that understand!




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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 14 June 2022 21:57
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Reply to: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look


Thanks for sending the link to the preview as it saved me finding it on iPlayer. I looked at it this morning and can't say I share Huw Edwards' enthusiasm for the new setup. They seem to want to make a big production with presenter walkabouts of what in essence is a newsreader reading straight to camera, with one-to-one interviews or down-the-line reports from correspondents thrown in.
It must've cost a lot with all the new equipment and I wonder how they justified it unless there's a cost saving element involved with it,

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Robert Miles via Tech1
Sent: 14 June 2022 09:29
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News

Here is a 'walk-around' the new facilities by Huw Edwards - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61785325

Rob


Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 16:23:11 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 22:23:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
In-Reply-To: <004e01d88031$42fefe70$c8fcfb50$@gmail.com>
References: <004e01d88031$42fefe70$c8fcfb50$@gmail.com>
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If they could just fix Mark Easton that would be good. No wonder BBC News
gets a bad reputation for not understanding dispassionate reporting. He
wouldn't have lasted a minute under Ron Neil

B



On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, 21:57 geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1, <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks for sending the link to the preview as it saved me finding it on
> iPlayer. I looked at it this morning and can't say I share Huw Edwards'
> enthusiasm for the new setup. They seem to want to make a big production
> with presenter walkabouts of what in essence is a newsreader reading
> straight to camera, with one-to-one interviews or down-the-line reports
> from correspondents thrown in.
> It must've cost a lot with all the new equipment and I wonder how they
> justified it unless there's a cost saving element involved with it,
>
> Geoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Robert Miles via
> Tech1
> Sent: 14 June 2022 09:29
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News
>
> Here is a 'walk-around' the new facilities by Huw Edwards -
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61785325
>
> Rob
>
>
> Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think
> they?ve over-egged the shadows.
>
> Mike G
>
>
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Jun 14 16:38:27 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 22:38:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4C6O-d5+D-1FMY7vc4k3bPA-OmvBk9w--Oanw2p+JoWgQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Having watched the 10 o?clock again this evening, armed with inside information, thank you chaps, I still think it looks as though it?s VR, (even though I know it isn?t), and too full of its own importance - under-chromad (?) and over expended! KISS!

Mike G

> On 14 Jun 2022, at 07:38, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm told the robotic system is called "Electric Friends" and it looks like tall pillar boxes moving around. https://www.electricfriends.net/
> 
>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, 00:28 Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> I thought it probably was real rather than virtual as it looked to solid but thanks for confirming. I heard something about them using new Scandinavian cameras, whatever they may be? I assumed they would be all robotic cameras (as I think it was before) but it?s better not to see them or the rails in shot. Are they still controlled but an operator, Radamec see-and-select style in the gallery or is it all run by computer now?
>> Geoff
>> 
>> > On 14 Jun 2022, at 00:06, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>> > 
>> > ?
>> > Hi Geoff,
>> > It's all real, not VR . 
>> > It's the one studio at LBH that had real cameras with ops not robots  and was used pre covid for Newsnight. Its now new robot cameras and no camera staff. 
>> > 
>> > Paul
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > Paul Thackray
>> > 
>> > PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> > 
>> > 07802 243979
>> > 
>> > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>> > 
>> > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>> > 
>> > Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>> > 
>> > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >      Original Message      
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> > Sent: 13 June 2022 23:50
>> > To: mibridge at mac.com
>> > Reply to: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com
>> > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I?m told there was a preview of the new setup at the end of the One Show this evening, given by Huw Edwards. I haven?t seen it but will watch it later on iPlayer.
>> > I did see the ten o?clock news however and didn?t like the new style of presentation with more of it, interviews included, done in long shot with Huw wandering across from the news desk. I too wondered if it was VR but don?t know. I didn?t like the lighting or the increase in colour temperature which did Huw no favours,
>> > 
>> > Geoff
>> > 
>> >> On 13 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> ?Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.
>> >> 
>> >> Mike G
>> >> 
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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 10:06:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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It?s probably too much to hope for, but if they could fix whatever it is that causes the presenter mic to sound topless and unclear compared to much of the incoming stuff, that would be great. As far as I?m concerned, I don?t care what fancy studio setup they have, it?s the content that matters.

But I daresay the new look is more a question of keeping up with, or ahead of the competition (other channels).
Cheers,
Nick.

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On 14 Jun 2022, at 22:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
If they could just fix Mark Easton that would be good. No wonder BBC News gets a bad reputation for not understanding dispassionate reporting. He wouldn't have lasted a minute under Ron Neil

B



On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, 21:57 geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Thanks for sending the link to the preview as it saved me finding it on iPlayer. I looked at it this morning and can't say I share Huw Edwards' enthusiasm for the new setup. They seem to want to make a big production with presenter walkabouts of what in essence is a newsreader reading straight to camera, with one-to-one interviews or down-the-line reports from correspondents thrown in.
It must've cost a lot with all the new equipment and I wonder how they justified it unless there's a cost saving element involved with it,

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News

Here is a 'walk-around' the new facilities by Huw Edwards - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61785325

Rob


Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 15 05:17:52 2022
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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 11:17:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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Hi Nick,
	The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
Barry.



On 15 Jun 2022, at 11:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> It?s probably too much to hope for, but if they could fix whatever it is that causes the presenter mic to sound topless and unclear compared to much of the incoming stuff, that would be great. As far as I?m concerned, I don?t care what fancy studio setup they have, it?s the content that matters.
> 
> But I daresay the new look is more a question of keeping up with, or ahead of the competition (other channels).
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2022, at 22:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> If they could just fix Mark Easton that would be good. No wonder BBC News gets a bad reputation for not understanding dispassionate reporting. He wouldn't have lasted a minute under Ron Neil
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, 21:57 geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Thanks for sending the link to the preview as it saved me finding it on iPlayer. I looked at it this morning and can't say I share Huw Edwards' enthusiasm for the new setup. They seem to want to make a big production with presenter walkabouts of what in essence is a newsreader reading straight to camera, with one-to-one interviews or down-the-line reports from correspondents thrown in.
>> It must've cost a lot with all the new equipment and I wonder how they justified it unless there's a cost saving element involved with it,
>> 
>> Geoff
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Robert Miles via Tech1
>> Sent: 14 June 2022 09:29
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News
>> 
>> Here is a 'walk-around' the new facilities by Huw Edwards - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61785325
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed Jun 15 05:20:33 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 11:20:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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It?s several years since BBC London News had their own gallery operators. It?s serviced by network staff now. 

Peter Neill 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 15 Jun 2022, at 11:18, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Nick,
> 	The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
> Barry.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2022, at 11:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> It?s probably too much to hope for, but if they could fix whatever it is that causes the presenter mic to sound topless and unclear compared to much of the incoming stuff, that would be great. As far as I?m concerned, I don?t care what fancy studio setup they have, it?s the content that matters.
>> 
>> But I daresay the new look is more a question of keeping up with, or ahead of the competition (other channels).
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2022, at 22:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> If they could just fix Mark Easton that would be good. No wonder BBC News gets a bad reputation for not understanding dispassionate reporting. He wouldn't have lasted a minute under Ron Neil
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, 21:57 geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Thanks for sending the link to the preview as it saved me finding it on iPlayer. I looked at it this morning and can't say I share Huw Edwards' enthusiasm for the new setup. They seem to want to make a big production with presenter walkabouts of what in essence is a newsreader reading straight to camera, with one-to-one interviews or down-the-line reports from correspondents thrown in.
>>>> It must've cost a lot with all the new equipment and I wonder how they justified it unless there's a cost saving element involved with it,
>>>> 
>>>> Geoff
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Robert Miles via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 14 June 2022 09:29
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a 'walk-around' the new facilities by Huw Edwards - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61785325
>>>> 
>>>> Rob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I think they?ve over-egged the shadows.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike G
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Jun 15 05:25:15 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 11:25:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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I assume they've saved money by having no EQ on the sound desk. Or by 
employing those who don't know how to use it.

On 15/06/2022 11:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> It?s probably too much to hope for, but if they could fix whatever it 
> is that causes the presenter mic to sound topless and unclear compared 
> to much of the incoming stuff, that would be great. As far as I?m 
> concerned, I don?t care what fancy studio setup they have, it?s the 
> content that matters.
>
> But I daresay the new look is more a question of keeping up with, or 
> ahead of the competition (other channels).
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
>> On 14 Jun 2022, at 22:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> If they could just fix Mark Easton that would be good. No wonder BBC 
>> News gets a bad reputation for not understanding dispassionate 
>> reporting. He wouldn't have lasted a minute under Ron Neil
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, 21:57 geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1, 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>     Thanks for sending the link to the preview as it saved me finding
>>     it on iPlayer. I looked at it this morning and can't say I share
>>     Huw Edwards' enthusiasm for the new setup. They seem to want to
>>     make a big production with presenter walkabouts of what in
>>     essence is a newsreader reading straight to camera, with
>>     one-to-one interviews or down-the-line reports from
>>     correspondents thrown in.
>>     It must've cost a lot with all the new equipment and I wonder how
>>     they justified it unless there's a cost saving element involved
>>     with it,
>>
>>     Geoff
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Robert
>>     Miles via Tech1
>>     Sent: 14 June 2022 09:29
>>     To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC News
>>
>>     Here is a 'walk-around' the new facilities by Huw Edwards -
>>     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61785325
>>
>>     Rob
>>
>>
>>     Has news gone VR? It has that feel about it and if it is VR, I
>>     think they?ve over-egged the shadows.
>>
>>     Mike G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jun 15 05:30:27 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 11:30:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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I couldn't agree more, Nick. In spite of my friends telling me to get a 
hearing test and aids, there is appreciable quality difference between 
the studio presenter and incoming material.

Maybe there is no-one monitoring the audio?

With Dalek cameras, perhaps a sound supervisor has been redundant for years.

I suspect that the remote stuff is a one man band operation for both 
picture and sound, that bloke could benefit from a crash course in 
preventing wind blasting on the mic.

It can be done.

I recall being taught to even out a presenter's delivery, by dexterous 
manipulation of the fader. Michael Buerk was noted for dropping his 
voice level at the end of sentences,

and needed constant correction. Richard Dimbleby had to have a filter in 
his mic line to correct chest resonance.

In those days - we cared!

Pat

On 15/06/2022 11:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> It?s probably too much to hope for, but if they could fix whatever it 
> is that causes the presenter mic to sound topless and unclear compared 
> to much of the incoming stuff, that would be great. As far as I?m 
> concerned, I don?t care what fancy studio setup they have, it?s the 
> content that matters.
>
> But I daresay the new look is more a question of keeping up with, or 
> ahead of the competition (other channels).
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
>> On 14 Jun 2022, at 22:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> If they could just fix Mark Easton that would be good. No wonder BBC 
>> News gets a bad reputation for not understanding dispassionate 
>> reporting. He wouldn't have lasted a minute under Ron Neil
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun 17 06:40:34 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 12:40:34 +0100
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You are so right, Barry,

Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they get to 
understand.

We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic mic 
positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant blasting 
etc.

How many single person cameramen know about this?

I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input from 
esteemed technicians.

Pat



On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Nick,
> The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? 
> unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence fee 
> spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
> Barry.
>
>
>

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Jun 17 06:55:58 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 12:55:58 +0100
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What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear the 
difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the mouth and a 
decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as closely as possible.

Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it distorted 
the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the camera so show us 
a face as near to reality as possible. Why should sound be different?

On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> You are so right, Barry,
>
> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they get 
> to understand.
>
> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic 
> mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant 
> blasting etc.
>
> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>
> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input 
> from esteemed technicians.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>> Hi Nick,
>> The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? 
>> unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence 
>> fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>> Barry.
>>
>>
>>
>
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I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually 
listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda know 
the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they don't 
need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the problem.

Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor sync 
and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited speaker replay 
in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience doesn't get anything 
like the intelligibility they need.

Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even 
recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, but 
gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and similar faults 
that prevent the actual transfer of useful information - not even the 
terminology is available.

I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the 
line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 30% 
of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. could 
absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong decision - 
nothing to do with actually communicating anything useful. I didn't care 
because I'd asked them to email everything anyway. But if I'd needed to 
communicate for a medical emergency etc, it would have been disastrous.


Chris Woolf


On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear the 
> difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the mouth and a 
> decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as closely as 
> possible.
>
> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it distorted 
> the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the camera so show 
> us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should sound be different?
>
> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> You are so right, Barry,
>>
>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they get 
>> to understand.
>>
>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic 
>> mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant 
>> blasting etc.
>>
>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>
>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input 
>> from esteemed technicians.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Hi Nick,
>>> The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? 
>>> unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence 
>>> fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>> Barry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Jun 17 07:56:48 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 13:56:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
In-Reply-To: <f9f524bb-d47d-e78f-5dba-e8a814f8898d@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite 
passable picture quality but poor-ish? audio. You'd have thought decent 
audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?

On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually 
> listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda know 
> the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they don't 
> need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the problem.
>
> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor 
> sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited speaker 
> replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience doesn't get 
> anything like the intelligibility they need.
>
> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even 
> recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, 
> but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and similar 
> faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful information - not 
> even the terminology is available.
>
> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the 
> line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 
> 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. 
> could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong 
> decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything useful. 
> I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything anyway. But 
> if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency etc, it would 
> have been disastrous.
>
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear the 
>> difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the mouth and 
>> a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as closely as 
>> possible.
>>
>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it distorted 
>> the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the camera so show 
>> us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should sound be different?
>>
>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>
>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they 
>>> get to understand.
>>>
>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic 
>>> mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant 
>>> blasting etc.
>>>
>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>
>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input 
>>> from esteemed technicians.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>> The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? 
>>>> unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence 
>>>> fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>> Barry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> 	
>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 17 08:06:00 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:06:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
In-Reply-To: <d596d117-0ab7-01fb-28ce-04bea0bcf4f3@davesound.co.uk>
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I don?t think the issue is to do with data bandwidth, but with limited bandwidth devoted to thinking about engineering the sound.

When I used to live at Newbury, one of my neighbours was an engineer at Quantel.  He was once telling me how proud they were to get so much video processing done in just 125msec, which was near enough instantaneous as far as they were concerned.

I asked him if they automatically delayed the sound by about 4 frames too.  That was the first time that he had been told that if the audio were leading the video by 4 frames it would be a big problem.

Alan



> On 17 Jun 2022, at 13:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite passable picture quality but poor-ish  audio. You'd have thought decent audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?
> 
> On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda know the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they don't need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the problem. 
>> 
>> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited speaker replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience doesn't get anything like the intelligibility they need.
>> 
>> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and similar faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful information - not even the terminology is available.
>> 
>> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything useful. I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything anyway. But if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency etc, it would have been disastrous.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear the difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the mouth and a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as closely as possible. 
>>> 
>>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should sound be different?
>>> 
>>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>> 
>>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they get to understand.
>>>> 
>>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant blasting etc.
>>>> 
>>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>> 
>>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input from esteemed technicians.
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>> 	The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
>>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>>> Barry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  	
>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
>>>> www.avast.com
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun 17 08:17:33 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:17:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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Poor audio on Zoom?

Where's the bloody mic?

On the computer - miles away from mouth!

Pat

On 17/06/2022 13:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite 
> passable picture quality but poor-ish? audio. You'd have thought 
> decent audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?
>
> On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually 
>> listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda know 
>> the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they don't 
>> need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the problem.
>>
>> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor 
>> sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited speaker 
>> replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience doesn't get 
>> anything like the intelligibility they need.
>>
>> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even 
>> recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, 
>> but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and similar 
>> faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful information - not 
>> even the terminology is available.
>>
>> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the 
>> line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 
>> 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. 
>> could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong 
>> decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything useful. 
>> I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything anyway. But 
>> if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency etc, it would 
>> have been disastrous.
>>
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear the 
>>> difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the mouth and 
>>> a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as closely as 
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it 
>>> distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the 
>>> camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should 
>>> sound be different?
>>>
>>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>>
>>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they 
>>>> get to understand.
>>>>
>>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic 
>>>> mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant 
>>>> blasting etc.
>>>>
>>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>>
>>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input 
>>>> from esteemed technicians.
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>> The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? 
>>>>> unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence 
>>>>> fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
>>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>>> Barry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> 	
>>>>
>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Jun 17 08:22:14 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:22:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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Eh? On most Zoom meetings, the laptop or phone mic is closer than a boom 
on a drama. And many use headsets too.

On 17/06/2022 14:17, Pat Heigham wrote:
>
> Poor audio on Zoom?
>
> Where's the bloody mic?
>
> On the computer - miles away from mouth!
>
> Pat
>
> On 17/06/2022 13:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite 
>> passable picture quality but poor-ish? audio. You'd have thought 
>> decent audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?
>>
>> On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually 
>>> listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda 
>>> know the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they 
>>> don't need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the 
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor 
>>> sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited 
>>> speaker replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience 
>>> doesn't get anything like the intelligibility they need.
>>>
>>> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even 
>>> recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, 
>>> but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and 
>>> similar faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful 
>>> information - not even the terminology is available.
>>>
>>> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the 
>>> line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 
>>> 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. 
>>> could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong 
>>> decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything 
>>> useful. I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything 
>>> anyway. But if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency 
>>> etc, it would have been disastrous.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear 
>>>> the difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the 
>>>> mouth and a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as 
>>>> closely as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it 
>>>> distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the 
>>>> camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should 
>>>> sound be different?
>>>>
>>>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they 
>>>>> get to understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from 
>>>>> basic mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, 
>>>>> consonant blasting etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with 
>>>>> input from esteemed technicians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>>> The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? 
>>>>>> unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest 
>>>>>> licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also 
>>>>>> been dropped!
>>>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>>>> Barry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> 	
>>>>>
>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jun 17 08:40:10 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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On 17/06/2022 14:17, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Poor audio on Zoom?
>
> Where's the bloody mic?
>
> On the computer - miles away from mouth!
>

.. But not only that. The audio is having to deal with using a highly 
un-optimised "telephone hybrid" arrangement to separate the two-way 
sound. And while the video can be cleverly compressed on a multi-frame 
basis, the audio can't - it needs entirely different data compression. 
The video compression can also take advantage of variable data rate 
compression so that time can stretch backwards and forwards during a 
transmission. Doing that with sound causes all sorts of grief.

And when it comes to analogue phone land-lines ... these are digitised 
at the exchange and if you have low level audio (high line loss, quiet 
speaker, etc) then only about 4bits of the ADC get used. Couple that 
with no dithering - I've no idea why it is not there - and the granular 
distortion can be horrendous. Add on the fact that most people are using 
DECT phones which concatenate their (not necessarily very good) codecs 
and even if the acoustic source is good, what comes out at the other end 
can be appalling.


Chris Woolf




From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 08:41:37 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:41:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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Hi,

When I first went into IT working with Paul Whitehouse, we were at - or 
nearly at - the bleeding edge of networking (we didn't package in big 
red boxes like Novell....). I was involved in trying to trademark our 
networking technology - called the Advanced Networking System or ANS.? 
Couldn't get it trademarked as there is a town in Belgium called ANS and 
of course that would cause total confusion - not! Around 1990 there was 
great interest in voice over the internet,? At that time there were two 
major systems? X.25 and IP.? X.25 was European and Connection Oriented - 
that is, you sent a packet of data, the recipient replied? that that 
data packet had been received,? and then you sent the next packet.? Each 
packet went through 7 layers of processing before being presented to the 
user. IP - the Internet Protocol - was American and connectionless - 
that is you banged of a packet and hoped it got to the recipient: in 
fact you banged packet after packet only limited by the low-level 
technology such as Ethernet.

At that time - I must stress at that time in the 1990s - there was a 
great discussion about transmission of voice over the internet - and in 
particular about Voice over IP.? Basically the sound stream has to be 
broken up into packets, and these packets of data handed down to the 
network..? There was great discussion as to what would happen to sound 
if the recipient lost - or lost track of - packets of data - hunks of 
sound would be missing.? (On X.25 the packets would have to be resent).? 
The Internet Protocol only had 4 levels of processing and was inherently 
much faster (at the cost of accuracy) - and was American - so you got 
the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP), The Simple Network Management 
Protocol (SNMP) - and lots of other things including VoIP all running on 
the Internet Protocol.

Pictures are not quite the same - what is transmitted is the difference 
between one frame and the next so if you missed a few packets just some 
of the picture would not be updated and you may not even notice (unless 
there was a lot of whizzy action...).

Now all of this is of course a long long time ago (aeons for IT) and I 
certainly have not kept up to date with all the changes - and surely 
there must be myriads - by 2000 I had moved into software configuration 
and change management, a whole different ball game!

-- 
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Alec Bray

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 09:10:40 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 15:10:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look Missing bit of sond
Message-ID: <22fdeeff-132a-0df7-1162-6ce43d093039@gmail.com>

Should have added this:

"... hunks of sound would be missing. ..."

Sound is delivered and received sequentially, and missing parts usually 
cannot easily be interpolated.

So you might hear something like this "I wen....oo...eh ..oooo to see th...  ..ion"-

Best regards,
Alec

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 17 09:15:06 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 15:15:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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Hand-over from BBC National News to London News (my pet hate) at lunchtime today, first 3 minutes was in fact BBC Sport News! It then switched to London News halfway through an item, no apology forthcoming even at the end. So I assume that the ?Off Air? monitor has been ditched! Presenter obviously not aware either.
Barry.



On 17 Jun 2022, at 14:17, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Poor audio on Zoom?
> 
> Where's the bloody mic?
> 
> On the computer - miles away from mouth!
> 
> Pat
> On 17/06/2022 13:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite passable picture quality but poor-ish  audio. You'd have thought decent audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?
>> On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda know the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they don't need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the problem. 
>>> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited speaker replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience doesn't get anything like the intelligibility they need.
>>> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and similar faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful information - not even the terminology is available.
>>> 
>>> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything useful. I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything anyway. But if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency etc, it would have been disastrous.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear the difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the mouth and a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as closely as possible. 
>>>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should sound be different?
>>>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they get to understand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant blasting etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input from esteemed technicians.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pat
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>>> 	The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
>>>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>>>> Barry.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  	
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 09:35:36 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 15:35:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW: From Simon Leighton
Message-ID: <806db5be-785a-c04b-998f-42e0bde863f0@gmail.com>

Clive Leighton- the final chapter.eml

Subject:
Clive Leighton- the final chapter
From:
Simon Leighton <simon.leighton at talktalk.net>
Date:
14/06/2022, 02:14

To:
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk


Hi All - As Dad wanted to stay in contact with you it?s fair to say we have given him a quiet and dignified touched with dry humour send off today - he is buried in a beautiful village cemetery in his beloved Ger - a great obit from a lay person delivered in a Catholic Church ( 12 th c) using material from his personal memoir that you all know. He lies next to Jeanette so all is well.
Additionally I survived 200k on driving on the wrong side of the road - not driven that side since well before lockdown !
So that ends his story - please feel free to share and please remember he was so proud to know you all and his beloved BBC!
My Thanks
Simon, Kevin & Neil -Leighton
Ps we are going to contribute to putting his name on the side of an RNLI lifeboat - you may know this was a charity he worked for as a coastguard and supported.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 09:45:42 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 15:45:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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I think Pat is entirely right. Everyone knows you can only use the on 
camera mic for very basic stuff like atmos, don't they? ?? When Zoom 
become important I bought this second hand Samson. I'm told it sounds 
fine on Zoom and on Cleanfeed, and it didn't cost much.

B



On 17/06/2022 14:17, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Poor audio on Zoom?
>
> Where's the bloody mic?
>
> On the computer - miles away from mouth!
>
> Pat
>
> On 17/06/2022 13:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite 
>> passable picture quality but poor-ish? audio. You'd have thought 
>> decent audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?
>>
>> On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually 
>>> listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda 
>>> know the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they 
>>> don't need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the 
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor 
>>> sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited 
>>> speaker replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience 
>>> doesn't get anything like the intelligibility they need.
>>>
>>> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even 
>>> recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, 
>>> but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and 
>>> similar faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful 
>>> information - not even the terminology is available.
>>>
>>> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the 
>>> line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 
>>> 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. 
>>> could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong 
>>> decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything 
>>> useful. I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything 
>>> anyway. But if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency 
>>> etc, it would have been disastrous.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear 
>>>> the difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the 
>>>> mouth and a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as 
>>>> closely as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it 
>>>> distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the 
>>>> camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should 
>>>> sound be different?
>>>>
>>>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they 
>>>>> get to understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from 
>>>>> basic mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, 
>>>>> consonant blasting etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with 
>>>>> input from esteemed technicians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>>> The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? 
>>>>>> unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest 
>>>>>> licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also 
>>>>>> been dropped!
>>>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>>>> Barry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jun 17 10:04:04 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 16:04:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News at Ten new look
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> 
> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should sound be different?
> 

That?s been one of my complaints for many years now, the over-use of wide angle lenses too close to the subject because the person on the camera[1] can?t cope with focus any other way.

[1] I hesitate to refer to them as cameramen/women!


? 
Graeme Wall


From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 17 10:56:43 2022
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 16:56:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News and more
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In the very dim and distant past of 50 years ago, BBC Studio Capital 
Projects were commissioned by the heads of Planning and Presentation 
(Charles Lashmar and Rex Moorfoot) to build a computerised mixer for 
Network Control.? For 2 years, Mac McKee and others of R & D expended 
blood, sweat and tears until the day dawned to bring the prototype into 
NC2 for a trial.

To paraphrase Alan Taylor: 'That was the first time that Mac had been 
told that...:? ..while the regular network transition from one vision 
source to another was a cut (this in the days of frame roll) the sound 
transition relied on faders, as in 'lead sound and cut'. The pallor on 
Mac's face was exquisite...? 'Oh no' he said, 'you can't do that'!? It 
took about another 6 months before you could.

And they STILL can't get it right.? That's why WE at home have to 
control the audio level from one programme to the next, and not THEM at 
White City.? Bring back Pres. CONTROL.

Hugh

On 17/06/2022 14:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I don?t think the issue is to do with data bandwidth, but with limited 
> bandwidth devoted to thinking about engineering the sound.
>
> When I used to live at Newbury, one of my neighbours was an engineer 
> at Quantel. ?He was once telling me how proud they were to get so much 
> video processing done in just 125msec, which was near enough 
> instantaneous as far as they were concerned.
>
> I asked him if they automatically delayed the sound by about 4 frames 
> too. ?That was the first time that he had been told that if the audio 
> were leading the video by 4 frames it would be a big problem.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 13:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite 
>> passable picture quality but poor-ish? audio. You'd have thought 
>> decent audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?
>>
>> On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually 
>>> listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda 
>>> know the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they 
>>> don't need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the 
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor 
>>> sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited 
>>> speaker replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience 
>>> doesn't get anything like the intelligibility they need.
>>>
>>> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even 
>>> recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, 
>>> but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and 
>>> similar faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful 
>>> information - not even the terminology is available.
>>>
>>> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the 
>>> line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 
>>> 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. 
>>> could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong 
>>> decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything 
>>> useful. I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything 
>>> anyway. But if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency 
>>> etc, it would have been disastrous.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear 
>>>> the difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the 
>>>> mouth and a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as 
>>>> closely as possible.
>>>>
>>>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it 
>>>> distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the 
>>>> camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should 
>>>> sound be different?
>>>>
>>>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they 
>>>>> get to understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from 
>>>>> basic mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, 
>>>>> consonant blasting etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with 
>>>>> input from esteemed technicians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>>> The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? 
>>>>>> unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest 
>>>>>> licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also 
>>>>>> been dropped!
>>>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>>>> Barry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Jun 17 12:11:11 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:11:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News and more
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As a mere pointer, I do get frustrated at the poor voice quality of many programmes.
I have three particular gripes.

The weekend news opt outs on BBC 1 in the midlands are often done by the daily weather forecaster, Shefalli Ozga (?sp).  Levels do not match network at all, and her breathing is very obvious. It's as if somebody sets it up on Friday pm and says, "Don't touch anything - if you can hear her, it's fine!".  The same is true of Georgia Mann on R3, an otherwise fine presenter - is it compressor? Limiter? I think she works from home, judging by some of her links.

We often watch the paper reviews on the News Channel and the quality of some participants is appalling, near untransmittable and the picture is equally cr*p. Shameful for a national Broadcaster.

Speaking of regional opt-outs, we still don''t get the regional news in HD. Is it too much to ask?

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 17 Jun 2022, at 16:57, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In the very dim and distant past of 50 years ago, BBC Studio Capital Projects were commissioned by the heads of Planning and Presentation (Charles Lashmar and Rex Moorfoot) to build a computerised mixer for Network Control.  For 2 years, Mac McKee and others of R & D expended blood, sweat and tears until the day dawned to bring the prototype into NC2 for a trial.  
> 
> To paraphrase Alan Taylor: 'That was the first time that Mac had been told that...:  ..while the regular network transition from one vision source to another was a cut (this in the days of frame roll) the sound transition relied on faders, as in 'lead sound and cut'. The pallor on Mac's face was exquisite...  'Oh no' he said, 'you can't do that'!  It took about another 6 months before you could.  
> 
> And they STILL can't get it right.  That's why WE at home have to control the audio level from one programme to the next, and not THEM at White City.  Bring back Pres. CONTROL.
> 
> Hugh
> 
> On 17/06/2022 14:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I don?t think the issue is to do with data bandwidth, but with limited bandwidth devoted to thinking about engineering the sound.
>> 
>> When I used to live at Newbury, one of my neighbours was an engineer at Quantel.  He was once telling me how proud they were to get so much video processing done in just 125msec, which was near enough instantaneous as far as they were concerned.
>> 
>> I asked him if they automatically delayed the sound by about 4 frames too.  That was the first time that he had been told that if the audio were leading the video by 4 frames it would be a big problem.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 13:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite passable picture quality but poor-ish  audio. You'd have thought decent audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?
>>> 
>>> On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda know the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they don't need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the problem. 
>>>> 
>>>> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited speaker replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience doesn't get anything like the intelligibility they need.
>>>> 
>>>> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and similar faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful information - not even the terminology is available.
>>>> 
>>>> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything useful. I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything anyway. But if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency etc, it would have been disastrous.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear the difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the mouth and a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as closely as possible. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should sound be different?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they get to understand.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant blasting etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input from esteemed technicians.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>>>> 	The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
>>>>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>>>>> Barry.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  	
>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
>>>>>> www.avast.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri Jun 17 12:30:29 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:30:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News and more
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> On 17 Jun 2022, at 18:11, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking of regional opt-outs, we still don''t get the regional news in HD. Is it too much to ask?
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 


There was a policy that regional opts would only happen when

They could be done on all platforms (this would involve an additional 12 HD Satellite channels)

All regions would be done together

And they would be true HD not upscaled SD. This would involve re-equipping all regional studios.

A huge cost for less than 1 hour a day.

ITV HD isn?t much better. Here in East Anglia we gut upscaled SD from the South Coast.

There is now a rethink of that policy so, watch this space.





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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 17 12:30:28 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:30:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News and more
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I built a few gadgets and devices in my time, but one I was particularly pleased with was in about 1969.  The old scanners had a crude automatic sound mixing device based on relays which followed the vision mixer and it was useful for fast moving events like motor racing, where the director had little choice but to instantly cut and tell you about it afterwards. The Type II scanners didn?t have such a box available, so I designed and built one as a rushed project in the lead up to the Silverstone Grand Prix when the Type II was going to be used to cover it for the first time and the sound supervisor realised that the old auto-cutting box could not be used on the new scanners.

The basic idea was to use two light dependent resistors ( LDRs ) and two fixed resistors wired in a bridge arrangement for each channel.  In darkness, the bridge is balanced and no sound passes.  Shine some light on them and the bridge becomes unbalanced and passes audio.

The basic idea was to tap into the cue light feed in the sound control room and have two low power bulbs in parallel with each indicator ( two bulbs in case one failed, with a third bulb on the front panel as an indicator showing which channel was active ).  There was also an additional bulb connected to a variable resistor on the  front panel to keep a minimum user-defined level of light at all times, so that there is always a mix of background sound.  Twelve little Eddystone boxes were used as lightproof boxes, one per channel, containing the three bulbs and two LDRs  and it was all fitted into a box which needed no further power supply. It was entirely powered from the cue light system and used a custom adaptor to tap into the cue light system. It could be installed or derigged in just a few moments. 

One unexpected advantage was that it didn?t matter whether you used it at mic level or line level.  It was balanced and completely passive, but of course it wouldn?t pass phantom power.  In the scanner, the easiest option was to plug it into the insert points on every channel. The box was placed on top of the jackfield and the knobs for defining the background mix were readily accessible.  If it wasn?t working as you wanted, you only had to turn all the knobs to max and then mix manually. If there was an extreme fault  ( never happened as far as I?m aware ) and you need it totally disconnected, pulling out the row of inject return jacks would take it out of circuit. 

The bulbs took a few milliseconds to fully light up, or go out, therefore instead of cutting between feeds, it was a very rapid cross fade. A later refinement was to add an electrolytic capacitor across the light bulbs so that they stayed on for just a touch longer. A near instant fade up, but a slightly slower fade out. Still a discernible fade rather than a cut. Not a bad set of features for a passive box. Especially one made so rapidly and cheaply.

It worked well for many years, but lenses started appearing offering enormous zoom ratios, which meant that the most suitable mic wasn?t necessarily the one on the camera being used. Cameras with telephoto lenses could see cars from a much greater distance than microphones could hear them, even something so noisy as a racing car.

There are now digital sound desks and vision mixers which can link up to work in the same way, but the problem still remains that at some sporting events, the microphone on the camera being used might not be the best one to pick up the sound.

Alan





> On 17 Jun 2022, at 16:56, Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In the very dim and distant past of 50 years ago, BBC Studio Capital Projects were commissioned by the heads of Planning and Presentation (Charles Lashmar and Rex Moorfoot) to build a computerised mixer for Network Control.  For 2 years, Mac McKee and others of R & D expended blood, sweat and tears until the day dawned to bring the prototype into NC2 for a trial.  
> 
> To paraphrase Alan Taylor: 'That was the first time that Mac had been told that...:  ..while the regular network transition from one vision source to another was a cut (this in the days of frame roll) the sound transition relied on faders, as in 'lead sound and cut'. The pallor on Mac's face was exquisite...  'Oh no' he said, 'you can't do that'!  It took about another 6 months before you could.  
> 
> And they STILL can't get it right.  That's why WE at home have to control the audio level from one programme to the next, and not THEM at White City.  Bring back Pres. CONTROL.
> 
> Hugh
> 
> On 17/06/2022 14:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I don?t think the issue is to do with data bandwidth, but with limited bandwidth devoted to thinking about engineering the sound.
>> 
>> When I used to live at Newbury, one of my neighbours was an engineer at Quantel.  He was once telling me how proud they were to get so much video processing done in just 125msec, which was near enough instantaneous as far as they were concerned.
>> 
>> I asked him if they automatically delayed the sound by about 4 frames too.  That was the first time that he had been told that if the audio were leading the video by 4 frames it would be a big problem.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 13:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Something else I've not quite worked out. Zoom etc usually has quite passable picture quality but poor-ish  audio. You'd have thought decent audio would take up less bandwidth than the vision?
>>> 
>>> On 17/06/2022 13:15, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I'm not entirely sure that a lot of the editors/producers actually listen. Like picture editors and directors of dramas, they kinda know the scripts, so already have the content in their minds - they don't need to hear every word, and therefore don't recognise the problem. 
>>>> 
>>>> Without pre-knowledge, perhaps with limited lip-reading due to poor sync and non-optimal viewing distances, and frequency-limited speaker replay in a non-optimal acoustic space.... the audience doesn't get anything like the intelligibility they need.
>>>> 
>>>> Intelligibility of audio everywhere is not a value that is even recognised. People say it isn't loud enough, or someone is mumbling, but gross distortion on poor phone lines, syllabic muting and similar faults that prevent the actual transfer of useful information - not even the terminology is available.
>>>> 
>>>> I had to discuss pension matters on the phone the other day, and the line quality was abysmal. I'm quite sure I only managed to get about 30% of the details. Of course the call was so that the pensions co. could absolve themselves of responsibility for me making a wrong decision - nothing to do with actually communicating anything useful. I didn't care because I'd asked them to email everything anyway. But if I'd needed to communicate for a medical emergency etc, it would have been disastrous.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 17/06/2022 12:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> What I can't understand is it doesn't take 'golden ears' to hear the difference in a voice between a decent mic in front of the mouth and a decent mic on a lapel. Or much skill to match them as closely as possible. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Imaging the rows if they positioned the cameras so close it distorted the face due to a very wide angle lens? We expect the camera so show us a face as near to reality as possible. Why should sound be different?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 17/06/2022 12:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> You are so right, Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Get the bean counters to turn off the sound and see how much they get to understand.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We spent many hours learning how to engineer good sound, from basic mic positioning, with respect to muffling, wind blasting, consonant blasting etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How many single person cameramen know about this?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I attach a discourse which I had fogotten I put together with input from esteemed technicians.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15/06/2022 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>>>> 	The bit of kit news is missing is called a ?Sound Supervisor? unfortunately due to the extortionate costs of this latest licence fee spending spree they can?t afford one! EQ has also been dropped!
>>>>>>> BBC London News are worse due to multitasking.
>>>>>>> Barry.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  	
>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
>>>>>> www.avast.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri Jun 17 13:11:51 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:11:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News and more
References: <F17D9A6E-1867-4A76-AE7E-7A0DA748C264@icloud.com>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 18:11, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Speaking of regional opt-outs, we still don''t get the regional news in HD. Is it too much to ask?
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> There was a policy that regional opts would only happen when
> 
> They could be done on all platforms (this would involve an additional 12 HD Satellite channels)
> 
> All regions would be done together
> 
> And they would be true HD not upscaled SD. This would involve re-equipping all regional studios.
> 
> A huge cost for less than 1 hour a day.
> 
> ITV HD isn?t much better. Here in East Anglia we gut upscaled SD from the South Coast.
> 
> There is now a rethink of that policy so, watch this space.
> 
Peter Neill
> 
> 
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Jun 17 13:43:48 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:43:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News and more
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I suppose I?m being a curmudgeon but I find a lot of the shots rather odd, some make the studio look as though it?s in the middle of a rig / de-rig. The weather shot is also peculiar. Showing the floor and the weather person?s feet makes the map seem smaller and there?s an odd ?dingy corner? camera left. I presume pretty wide angle lenses are being used as when there?s a two shot throw to another presenter, or the weather, the latter look to be miles away. All the above, in my opinion, distracts from the main business of the programme which is news . . 

> On 17 Jun 2022, at 19:11, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 18:11, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Speaking of regional opt-outs, we still don''t get the regional news in HD. Is it too much to ask?
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There was a policy that regional opts would only happen when
>> 
>> They could be done on all platforms (this would involve an additional 12 HD Satellite channels)
>> 
>> All regions would be done together
>> 
>> And they would be true HD not upscaled SD. This would involve re-equipping all regional studios.
>> 
>> A huge cost for less than 1 hour a day.
>> 
>> ITV HD isn?t much better. Here in East Anglia we gut upscaled SD from the South Coast.
>> 
>> There is now a rethink of that policy so, watch this space.
>> 
> Peter Neill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 15:44:22 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 21:44:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News and more
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Here here to Hugh?s comments and those of others too. I don?t like the new presentation with all those wide shots and Huw Edwards wandering about. The opening with headlines on that tall, portrait format screen is very odd and looks gimmicky. The main presenter shot with a semi transparent white band to left of screen - what is that and what does the designer think it adds to the picture? Huw Edwards face tones look pale, unhealthy and washed out, not warm as they should be, particularly at this time of the year and some of the lighting looks too steep, giving him eye shadows where there shouldn?t be.
Having the weather done in wide shot seeing the presenter full length throughout is not good and detracts attention from the weather map as it seems more about what he/she is wearing and whether it fits than the business in hand.
At least the main presenter no longer holds pages of the script, pretending to be checking details from it when everybody knows they are reading off the prompter, not miraculously memorising it and delivering it so precisely.
I hope that apart from us Techies who can see the glaring flaws, I wonder what Tunbridge Wells will have to say, or even Mrs Trellis of North Wales?

Geoff

> On 17 Jun 2022, at 19:44, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I suppose I?m being a curmudgeon but I find a lot of the shots rather odd, some make the studio look as though it?s in the middle of a rig / de-rig. The weather shot is also peculiar. Showing the floor and the weather person?s feet makes the map seem smaller and there?s an odd ?dingy corner? camera left. I presume pretty wide angle lenses are being used as when there?s a two shot throw to another presenter, or the weather, the latter look to be miles away. All the above, in my opinion, distracts from the main business of the programme which is news . . 
> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 19:11, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 18:11, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Speaking of regional opt-outs, we still don''t get the regional news in HD. Is it too much to ask?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There was a policy that regional opts would only happen when
>>>> 
>>>> They could be done on all platforms (this would involve an additional 12 HD Satellite channels)
>>>> 
>>>> All regions would be done together
>>>> 
>>>> And they would be true HD not upscaled SD. This would involve re-equipping all regional studios.
>>>> 
>>>> A huge cost for less than 1 hour a day.
>>>> 
>>>> ITV HD isn?t much better. Here in East Anglia we gut upscaled SD from the South Coast.
>>>> 
>>>> There is now a rethink of that policy so, watch this space.
>>>> 
>>> Peter Neill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Jun 17 15:45:28 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 21:45:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC News and more
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And another thing....

Just watching Brian Cox on 2  re. Mars rover Perseverance
and they've succumbed to the annoyances of the outer reaches of freeview with an irritating sound and vision sting on edits and fx for slo-mo sequences.  What do these people think they're doing?

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 17 Jun 2022, at 19:44, Hugh Snape via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I suppose I?m being a curmudgeon but I find a lot of the shots rather odd, some make the studio look as though it?s in the middle of a rig / de-rig. The weather shot is also peculiar. Showing the floor and the weather person?s feet makes the map seem smaller and there?s an odd ?dingy corner? camera left. I presume pretty wide angle lenses are being used as when there?s a two shot throw to another presenter, or the weather, the latter look to be miles away. All the above, in my opinion, distracts from the main business of the programme which is news . . 
> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 19:11, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 Jun 2022, at 18:11, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Speaking of regional opt-outs, we still don''t get the regional news in HD. Is it too much to ask?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There was a policy that regional opts would only happen when
>>>> 
>>>> They could be done on all platforms (this would involve an additional 12 HD Satellite channels)
>>>> 
>>>> All regions would be done together
>>>> 
>>>> And they would be true HD not upscaled SD. This would involve re-equipping all regional studios.
>>>> 
>>>> A huge cost for less than 1 hour a day.
>>>> 
>>>> ITV HD isn?t much better. Here in East Anglia we gut upscaled SD from the South Coast.
>>>> 
>>>> There is now a rethink of that policy so, watch this space.
>>>> 
>>> Peter Neill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 02:29:54 2022
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 08:29:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4DBNxHzhK-iFWia7UM8rG9Xx--QSpo7NiwfiTH-gu9JAQ@mail.gmail.com>

There has been quite a bit of discussion about this book on a Facebook
group (not all very accurate) but I can't for the life of me remember who
the guy on the camera is.  I know the swinger is Dave Pattison. Also I
think it must have been Crew 14 in that day - hence the camera tape "14"s
on the camera and Mole column base. Do you think they had a special
photo-shoot for the pictures in this book or did they snap away during a
normal day?  The book was published in January 1969 so I suppose this would
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 02:46:36 2022
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 08:46:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4DdeFoMGnT6sM-++i4PK_z1jYeyXbPouHjuRZpH-1cjEw@mail.gmail.com>

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sun Jun 19 02:49:46 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 08:49:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
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Isn?t it a young Mr Noakes?

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Jun 19 02:59:33 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 08:59:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
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I always thought that was John Noakes on the crane. 

Mike G

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Jun 19 03:00:43 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 09:00:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
Message-ID: <t2thbw1eqvig6lkbhm5c22yn.1655625643754@email.android.com>

John Noakes


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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 03:11:26 2022
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 09:11:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
In-Reply-To: <CA+Uz5bNf0z7zboU4b-6hqZ9vtHfGmb_xxk+GHYyV_kffuCV=MQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though I'm not
convinced.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks like a young Peter Leverick.
>
> Dudley
>
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, 08:47 Bill Jenkin via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Jun 19 03:13:31 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 09:13:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
In-Reply-To: <t2thbw1eqvig6lkbhm5c22yn.1655625643754@email.android.com>
References: <t2thbw1eqvig6lkbhm5c22yn.1655625643754@email.android.com>
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Good example of lateral thinking, Doug - probably got a fair few of us 
thinking "of course - why did my brain fail me!"

Dave Newbitt.

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From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television

John Noakes


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Jun 19 03:33:00 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 09:33:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4A4WJ7BnA1QsvY4J4oGUW3iEa3ZJcP-JYrnAQ=U=TpnaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6tP4DdeFoMGnT6sM-++i4PK_z1jYeyXbPouHjuRZpH-1cjEw@mail.gmail.com><CA+Uz5bNf0z7zboU4b-6hqZ9vtHfGmb_xxk+GHYyV_kffuCV=MQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Can see some resemblance to Pete Leverick but I don?t think it?s him. I think Doug is probably right ? certainly very like Noaksey as he was at that time.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 9:11 AM
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television

I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though I'm not convinced. 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:

  Looks like a young Peter Leverick. 

  Dudley

  On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, 08:47 Bill Jenkin via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 03:34:52 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 09:34:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
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Message-ID: <34262c27-09af-f7cd-c4fd-abbc33f43641@ntlworld.com>

John Noakes

B



On 19/06/2022 09:11, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote:
> I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though 
> I'm not convinced.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Looks like a young Peter Leverick.
>
>     Dudley
>
>     On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, 08:47 Bill Jenkin via Tech1,
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>         Sorry guys, forgot to attach the picture
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Jun 19 04:22:42 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:22:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
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A scan of the book is available online at 
http://www.vtoldboys.com/bpbook/bpfc.htm
Here is a photo of John from the book compared with the cover. The 
cameraman's dress looks a little too casual for the time, the swinger is 
still wearing a tie

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 9:11 AM
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television

I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though I'm not 
convinced.


On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:

  Looks like a young Peter Leverick.

  Dudley

  On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, 08:47 Bill Jenkin via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Jun 19 04:39:16 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:39:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
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John?s shoes from a photo in the book.

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 9:11 AM
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television

I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though I'm not 
convinced.


On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:

  Looks like a young Peter Leverick.

  Dudley

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wrote:

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Jun 19 04:55:47 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:55:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
Message-ID: <310D1B2C706E4DD88D1409BC31C6D121@NewOffice>



Sorry, wrong file type.
John?s shoes from a photo in the book.

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 9:11 AM
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television

I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though I'm not 
convinced.


On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:

  Looks like a young Peter Leverick.

  Dudley

  On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, 08:47 Bill Jenkin via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Jun 19 05:05:41 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:05:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  Blue Peter book of Television
Message-ID: <DA232685125F4793ADF8AA9C388B4007@NewOffice>



From: Doug Puddifoot
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 11:03 AM
To: Doug Adds
Subject: Fw: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television



From: Doug Puddifoot
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 10:55 AM
To: Tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television



Sorry, wrong file type.
John?s shoes from a photo in the book.

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 9:11 AM
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television

I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though I'm not 
convinced.


On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:

  Looks like a young Peter Leverick.

  Dudley

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wrote:

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 05:28:30 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:28:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes on the
camera crane.

Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.

After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
repeat clip from the 1968 show.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 08:30, Bill Jenkin via Tech1
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> There has been quite a bit of discussion about this book on a Facebook group (not all very accurate) but I can't for the life of me remember who the guy on the camera is.  I know the swinger is Dave Pattison. Also I think it must have been Crew 14 in that day - hence the camera tape "14"s on the camera and Mole column base. Do you think they had a special photo-shoot for the pictures in this book or did they snap away during a normal day?  The book was published in January 1969 so I suppose this would have been 1968.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 05:32:57 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:32:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
In-Reply-To: <CAFKgnywQm63mnjtfgRsFiv1sXTPCVgwCQOLR75ePiqPuvXW87A@mail.gmail.com>
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In that item Mr Noakes was on the front of the Chapman Hercules in TC1. 
Bill and I know all about shifting the Hercules fast around TC1, 
courtesy Steward Morris.

B



On 19/06/2022 11:28, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
> operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
> 1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes on the
> camera crane.
>
> Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>
> After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
> repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 08:30, Bill Jenkin via Tech1
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>> There has been quite a bit of discussion about this book on a Facebook group (not all very accurate) but I can't for the life of me remember who the guy on the camera is.  I know the swinger is Dave Pattison. Also I think it must have been Crew 14 in that day - hence the camera tape "14"s on the camera and Mole column base. Do you think they had a special photo-shoot for the pictures in this book or did they snap away during a normal day?  The book was published in January 1969 so I suppose this would have been 1968.
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From alan_machin at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 19 05:39:29 2022
From: alan_machin at hotmail.com (Alan Machin)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 10:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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Yes, it would have to be John Noakes as all Blue Peter books of the 1960s and 1970s had at least one presenter or pet on the cover.

By the way, did anyone see the opening of a BP time capsule on This Morning last week? Classic Blue Peter!


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From: David Brunt via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 19 June 2022 11:29
To: Bill Jenkin<mailto:billjenkin67 at gmail.com>
Cc: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television

There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes on the
camera crane.

Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.

After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
repeat clip from the 1968 show.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 08:30, Bill Jenkin via Tech1
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> There has been quite a bit of discussion about this book on a Facebook group (not all very accurate) but I can't for the life of me remember who the guy on the camera is.  I know the swinger is Dave Pattison. Also I think it must have been Crew 14 in that day - hence the camera tape "14"s on the camera and Mole column base. Do you think they had a special photo-shoot for the pictures in this book or did they snap away during a normal day?  The book was published in January 1969 so I suppose this would have been 1968.
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 05:49:41 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:49:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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Here's the 1974 version of the same item.  1968 would have been exactly the
same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ3wYiNZJIQ




On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 11:32, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> wrote:

> In that item Mr Noakes was on the front of the Chapman Hercules in TC1.
> Bill and I know all about shifting the Hercules fast around TC1, courtesy
> Steward Morris.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 19/06/2022 11:28, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
>
> There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
> operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
> 1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes on the
> camera crane.
>
> Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>
> After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
> repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 08:30, Bill Jenkin via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> There has been quite a bit of discussion about this book on a Facebook group (not all very accurate) but I can't for the life of me remember who the guy on the camera is.  I know the swinger is Dave Pattison. Also I think it must have been Crew 14 in that day - hence the camera tape "14"s on the camera and Mole column base. Do you think they had a special photo-shoot for the pictures in this book or did they snap away during a normal day?  The book was published in January 1969 so I suppose this would have been 1968.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Jun 19 05:55:52 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 11:55:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  Blue Peter book of Television
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I think that?s game, set & match to Mr Puddifoot!

Dave Newbitt.



From: Doug Puddifoot 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 10:55 AM
To: Tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television



Sorry, wrong file type.
John?s shoes from a photo in the book.

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 9:11 AM
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television

I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though I'm not convinced. 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:

  Looks like a young Peter Leverick. 

  Dudley

  On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, 08:47 Bill Jenkin via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    Sorry guys, forgot to attach the picture
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 06:01:49 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 12:01:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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That?s Noakes up front. Dave P on the arm.
Geoff F

On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 11:29, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
> operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
> 1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes on the
> camera crane.
>
> Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>
> After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
> repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 08:30, Bill Jenkin via Tech1
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > There has been quite a bit of discussion about this book on a Facebook
> group (not all very accurate) but I can't for the life of me remember who
> the guy on the camera is.  I know the swinger is Dave Pattison. Also I
> think it must have been Crew 14 in that day - hence the camera tape "14"s
> on the camera and Mole column base. Do you think they had a special
> photo-shoot for the pictures in this book or did they snap away during a
> normal day?  The book was published in January 1969 so I suppose this would
> have been 1968.
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sun Jun 19 06:25:10 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 12:25:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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Think about it - who would they put on the front cover? A cameraman or a presenter?

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 19 Jun 2022, at 12:02, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That?s Noakes up front. Dave P on the arm.
> Geoff F
> 
>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 11:29, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
>> operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
>> 1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes on the
>> camera crane.
>> 
>> Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>> 
>> After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
>> repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>> 
>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 08:30, Bill Jenkin via Tech1
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > There has been quite a bit of discussion about this book on a Facebook group (not all very accurate) but I can't for the life of me remember who the guy on the camera is.  I know the swinger is Dave Pattison. Also I think it must have been Crew 14 in that day - hence the camera tape "14"s on the camera and Mole column base. Do you think they had a special photo-shoot for the pictures in this book or did they snap away during a normal day?  The book was published in January 1969 so I suppose this would have been 1968.
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 19 06:25:20 2022
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 12:25:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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OK I'm persuaded that it is Noakesy on the front of the crane.
But was he on Crew 14? ?
I should explain that this is supposed to be a joke, if you make that sort
of comment on soshal meeja  people take you desperately seriously, there's
no place for humour there.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, 12:02 Geoff Fletcher, <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:

> That?s Noakes up front. Dave P on the arm.
> Geoff F
>
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 11:29, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
>> operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
>> 1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes on the
>> camera crane.
>>
>> Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>>
>> After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
>> repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 08:30, Bill Jenkin via Tech1
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > There has been quite a bit of discussion about this book on a Facebook
>> group (not all very accurate) but I can't for the life of me remember who
>> the guy on the camera is.  I know the swinger is Dave Pattison. Also I
>> think it must have been Crew 14 in that day - hence the camera tape "14"s
>> on the camera and Mole column base. Do you think they had a special
>> photo-shoot for the pictures in this book or did they snap away during a
>> normal day?  The book was published in January 1969 so I suppose this would
>> have been 1968.
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From phider at gmx.com  Sun Jun 19 12:36:07 2022
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 18:36:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television
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I think it's definitely John Noakes who I got to know quite well in the sixties through my friendship with John Adcock who was Assistant Editor under Biddy.Peter HiderSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 19/06/2022  09:12  (GMT+00:00) To: "Tech-Ops. co. uk email group" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter book of Television I don't think it's John Noakes, but could be Peter Leverick, though I'm not convinced. On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:Looks like a young Peter Leverick.DudleyOn Sun, 19 Jun 2022, 08:47 Bill Jenkin via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:Sorry guys, forgot to attach the picture
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 20 03:56:26 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:56:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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This talk of Noakes reminds me of a shoot, where JN was filmed surfing 
at Newquay.

As radio mics were nowhere near waterproof, his piece to camera on 
arriving back at shore, was necessarily covered on my pole.

I was not happy with the production, as they had booked a hotel room for 
John to warm up, shower and change.

I had been up to my thighs in very cold water to get the shot, but was 
there at least a towel for this poor bloody sound guy?

No!

However, the recordist and I returned to London with a stone of 
beautifully fresh plaice in ice!

However, much good ocurred, as Ivan Sharp had a BMW 2002, with which I 
was impressed, so I bought one as my next car,

and have been driving them ever since.

Mixing Blue Peter in the studio might be thought to be a simple kids' 
programme, but could get fearfully complicated.

Apart fro the presenters on their 'woolsack' there were TK and VT 
inserts, and anything from musicians to a military band.

And it was live!

Happy days?

I get a bit peeved with travel programmes, or similar which, to make it 
'interesting' have to have the presenter 'having a go' at

something. I'd much rather see an expert doing it properly.

Pat


On 19/06/2022 12:25, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
> Think about it - who would they put on the front cover? A cameraman or 
> a presenter?
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>
>> On 19 Jun 2022, at 12:02, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> That?s Noakes up front. Dave P on the arm.
>> Geoff F
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 11:29, David Brunt via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>     There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
>>     operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
>>     1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes
>>     on the
>>     camera crane.
>>
>>     Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>>
>>     After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
>>     repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>>
>

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jun 20 05:25:45 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:25:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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On 20/06/2022 09:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> This talk of Noakes reminds me of a shoot, where JN was filmed surfing 
> at Newquay.
>
> As radio mics were nowhere near waterproof, his piece to camera on 
> arriving back at shore, was necessarily covered on my pole.
>
> ....

Well... JN did some stuff after Blue Peter, and one of those programmes 
was to swim with a kid into a large cave off Penzance to find seals. 
This was a wet-suit job, and although we were in a paddled rubber dinghy 
to get pictures and pole for atmos, we needed close conversation. I just 
used double sandwich bags, tied tight for the TXs, and condoms for Trams 
- worked fine for the 30 minute swim, and no damage to the kit.

The seals were very curious, and we all swam around after filming. The 
bull was quite big but not at all threatening - a great finish for the day.

Chris Woolf



From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Jun 20 06:23:39 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:23:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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Would that be the one with Chris Trace rather than Noakes, shown 24 August
1964?  Noakes was still over a year away from starting.

The earliest surfing film with Noakes (and Purves) is 19 November 1973.


On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 09:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> This talk of Noakes reminds me of a shoot, where JN was filmed surfing at
> Newquay.
>
> As radio mics were nowhere near waterproof, his piece to camera on
> arriving back at shore, was necessarily covered on my pole.
>
> I was not happy with the production, as they had booked a hotel room for
> John to warm up, shower and change.
>
> I had been up to my thighs in very cold water to get the shot, but was
> there at least a towel for this poor bloody sound guy?
>
> No!
>
> However, the recordist and I returned to London with a stone of
> beautifully fresh plaice in ice!
>
> However, much good ocurred, as Ivan Sharp had a BMW 2002, with which I was
> impressed, so I bought one as my next car,
>
> and have been driving them ever since.
>
> Mixing Blue Peter in the studio might be thought to be a simple kids'
> programme, but could get fearfully complicated.
>
> Apart fro the presenters on their 'woolsack' there were TK and VT inserts,
> and anything from musicians to a military band.
>
> And it was live!
>
> Happy days?
>
> I get a bit peeved with travel programmes, or similar which, to make it
> 'interesting' have to have the presenter 'having a go' at
>
> something. I'd much rather see an expert doing it properly.
>
> Pat
>
>
> On 19/06/2022 12:25, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Think about it - who would they put on the front cover? A cameraman or a
> presenter?
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>
> On 19 Jun 2022, at 12:02, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
> That?s Noakes up front. Dave P on the arm.
> Geoff F
>
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 11:29, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
>> operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like the late
>> 1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had Noakes on the
>> camera crane.
>>
>> Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>>
>> After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of 31-03-69, with a
>> repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>>
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 20 06:42:50 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:42:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
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Definitely Noakes. I had left the BBC in 1968, but came back 
occasionally as a freelance to the Film Unit out of Lime Grove.

So it could have been 1973. Ivan & I went on to shoot an ATV series 
"Skiboy", 17 weeks in Switzerland in 1974.

Great location in an undeveloped small resort. Only one chairlift! I 
learned how to drive in snow & ice!

The cameraman on that was Tony Leggo.

Pat

On 20/06/2022 12:23, David Brunt wrote:
> Would that be the one with Chris Trace rather than Noakes, shown 24 
> August 1964?? Noakes was still over a year away from starting.
>
> The earliest surfing film with Noakes (and Purves) is 19 November 1973.
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 09:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     This talk of Noakes reminds me of a shoot, where JN was filmed
>     surfing at Newquay.
>
>     As radio mics were nowhere near waterproof, his piece to camera on
>     arriving back at shore, was necessarily covered on my pole.
>
>     I was not happy with the production, as they had booked a hotel
>     room for John to warm up, shower and change.
>
>     I had been up to my thighs in very cold water to get the shot, but
>     was there at least a towel for this poor bloody sound guy?
>
>     No!
>
>     However, the recordist and I returned to London with a stone of
>     beautifully fresh plaice in ice!
>
>     However, much good ocurred, as Ivan Sharp had a BMW 2002, with
>     which I was impressed, so I bought one as my next car,
>
>     and have been driving them ever since.
>
>     Mixing Blue Peter in the studio might be thought to be a simple
>     kids' programme, but could get fearfully complicated.
>
>     Apart fro the presenters on their 'woolsack' there were TK and VT
>     inserts, and anything from musicians to a military band.
>
>     And it was live!
>
>     Happy days?
>
>     I get a bit peeved with travel programmes, or similar which, to
>     make it 'interesting' have to have the presenter 'having a go' at
>
>     something. I'd much rather see an expert doing it properly.
>
>     Pat
>
>
>     On 19/06/2022 12:25, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
>>     Think about it - who would they put on the front cover? A
>>     cameraman or a presenter?
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>>
>>>     On 19 Jun 2022, at 12:02, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ?
>>>     That?s Noakes up front. Dave P on the arm.
>>>     Geoff F
>>>
>>>     On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 11:29, David Brunt via Tech1
>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>         There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
>>>         operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like
>>>         the late
>>>         1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had
>>>         Noakes on the
>>>         camera crane.
>>>
>>>         Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>>>
>>>         After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of
>>>         31-03-69, with a
>>>         repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>>>
>>
>
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Mon Jun 20 06:48:30 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:48:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
In-Reply-To: <334c63c2-e788-cd31-9a08-7fd5880e7921@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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No problems when waves broke over the TX?s Chris? I remember a Get Fresh from a Cornish beach somewhere when the presenters tried surfing and the radio mics were OK until they came off the boards and into the water when the signal abruptly cut . . .

> On 20 Jun 2022, at 11:27, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
>> On 20/06/2022 09:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> This talk of Noakes reminds me of a shoot, where JN was filmed surfing at Newquay.
>> 
>> As radio mics were nowhere near waterproof, his piece to camera on arriving back at shore, was necessarily covered on my pole.
>> 
>> ....
> 
> Well... JN did some stuff after Blue Peter, and one of those programmes was to swim with a kid into a large cave off Penzance to find seals. This was a wet-suit job, and although we were in a paddled rubber dinghy to get pictures and pole for atmos, we needed close conversation. I just used double sandwich bags, tied tight for the TXs, and condoms for Trams - worked fine for the 30 minute swim, and no damage to the kit.
> 
> The seals were very curious, and we all swam around after filming. The bull was quite big but not at all threatening - a great finish for the day.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jun 20 06:55:17 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:55:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Book of Television
In-Reply-To: <CAFKgnyzShOo+doz6GOyn1TdmPT6QOHM0EUNGAqVR49M9XH1v7A@mail.gmail.com>
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The Penzance swim would have been early 90s. I was doing occasional 
location recording for Puffin Pictures.

Chris Woolf


On 20/06/2022 12:23, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> Would that be the one with Chris Trace rather than Noakes, shown 24 
> August 1964?? Noakes was still over a year away from starting.
>
> The earliest surfing film with Noakes (and Purves) is 19 November 1973.
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 09:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     This talk of Noakes reminds me of a shoot, where JN was filmed
>     surfing at Newquay.
>
>     As radio mics were nowhere near waterproof, his piece to camera on
>     arriving back at shore, was necessarily covered on my pole.
>
>     I was not happy with the production, as they had booked a hotel
>     room for John to warm up, shower and change.
>
>     I had been up to my thighs in very cold water to get the shot, but
>     was there at least a towel for this poor bloody sound guy?
>
>     No!
>
>     However, the recordist and I returned to London with a stone of
>     beautifully fresh plaice in ice!
>
>     However, much good ocurred, as Ivan Sharp had a BMW 2002, with
>     which I was impressed, so I bought one as my next car,
>
>     and have been driving them ever since.
>
>     Mixing Blue Peter in the studio might be thought to be a simple
>     kids' programme, but could get fearfully complicated.
>
>     Apart fro the presenters on their 'woolsack' there were TK and VT
>     inserts, and anything from musicians to a military band.
>
>     And it was live!
>
>     Happy days?
>
>     I get a bit peeved with travel programmes, or similar which, to
>     make it 'interesting' have to have the presenter 'having a go' at
>
>     something. I'd much rather see an expert doing it properly.
>
>     Pat
>
>
>     On 19/06/2022 12:25, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
>>     Think about it - who would they put on the front cover? A
>>     cameraman or a presenter?
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>>
>>>     On 19 Jun 2022, at 12:02, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ?
>>>     That?s Noakes up front. Dave P on the arm.
>>>     Geoff F
>>>
>>>     On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 11:29, David Brunt via Tech1
>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>         There was a live Blue Peter item showing the behind the scenes
>>>         operations of TC1 on 25 March 1968. If it's anything like
>>>         the late
>>>         1970s version (reusing the same script) it will have had
>>>         Noakes on the
>>>         camera crane.
>>>
>>>         Some or all of the photos will hail from rehearsals that day.
>>>
>>>         After the book came out, it was plugged on the BP of
>>>         31-03-69, with a
>>>         repeat clip from the 1968 show.
>>>
>>
>
>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 04:12:12 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 10:12:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ma'amalade Sandwiches
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Hello Everyone,

This page is going to be part of Topics 7, but I have released it early

a) because of its topicality and

b) so Eleanor Tomlinson can see it as soon as possible.

Who is Eleanor?? Not the actress from Poldark, but another one, equally 
good looking

.... read the page


http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/maamalade-sandwiches/


Enjoy!


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Jun 21 14:52:10 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:52:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
Message-ID: <E61FC84A368A4759B1AE036E8282862A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard where I found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at the head of the Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all over the UK or is this unusual? Did anyone have any connection with the 1971 Under Milk Wood?



I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted!

Dave Newbitt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 21 15:40:06 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:40:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
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References: <E61FC84A368A4759B1AE036E8282862A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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I?ve never seen one for a film location, but there is one which I remember as being of a similar design to commemorate where Sean Connery lived. It was probably in Edinburgh, but maybe Glasgow.

My favourite commemorative blue plaque is in Haymarket, telling of the time when Ho Chi Minh worked at the Carlton Hotel which used to be at that location.  After that modest beginning, he ended up having an entire city ( formerly Saigon ) named after him. Quite a rags to riches story.

There?s a little more to the story.  The Carlton was the big time for him in London.  Prior to that, he worked as a cleaner and dishwasher in the kitchens of an Ealing pub, the Drayton Court Hotel.  And before that, he worked as a snow clearer. 

Alan



> On 21 Jun 2022, at 20:52, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard where I found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at the head of the Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all over the UK or is this unusual? Did anyone have any connection with the 1971 Under Milk Wood?
>  
> 
>  
> I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted!
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 15:59:01 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:59:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
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He's here now, in Hanoi, with my son foreground. We didn't go in.

And in Ho Chi Minh City they call it Saigon.



B



On 21/06/2022 21:40, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?ve never seen one for a film location, but there is one which I 
> remember as being of a similar design to commemorate where Sean 
> Connery lived. It was probably in Edinburgh, but maybe Glasgow.
>
> My favourite commemorative blue plaque is in Haymarket, telling of the 
> time when Ho Chi Minh worked at the Carlton Hotel which used to be at 
> that location. ?After that modest beginning, he ended up having an 
> entire city ( formerly Saigon ) named after him. Quite a rags to 
> riches story.
>
> There?s a little more to the story. ?The Carlton was the big time for 
> him in London. ?Prior to that, he worked as a cleaner and dishwasher 
> in the kitchens of an Ealing pub, the Drayton Court Hotel. ?And before 
> that, he worked as a snow clearer.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 20:52, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard 
>> where I found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at 
>> the head of the Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all 
>> over the UK or is this unusual? Did anyone have any connection with 
>> the 1971 Under Milk Wood?
>>
>> I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best 
>> home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted!
>> Dave Newbitt.
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jun 21 16:02:05 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:02:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
In-Reply-To: <E61FC84A368A4759B1AE036E8282862A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <E61FC84A368A4759B1AE036E8282862A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB160451A72CB985744761FC5FA7B39@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I had to look hard at that to figure out why ?Institute? looked like a typo. Anyone else find that?
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 21 Jun 2022, at 20:52, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard where I found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at the head of the Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all over the UK or is this unusual? Did anyone have any connection with the 1971 Under Milk Wood?

[BFI%20Plaque[3].jpg]

I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted!

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Jun 21 16:21:44 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:21:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
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You?re quite right Nick and no, I hadn?t spotted it but it does indeed look weird. Here?s the tight crop from the original full frame shot :-



I think the ?u? is the culprit ? touching the preceding ?t? and excessively closed up at the top.

Dave Newbitt

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 10:02 PM
To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema

I had to look hard at that to figure out why ?Institute? looked like a typo. Anyone else find that? 
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6



  On 21 Jun 2022, at 20:52, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard where I found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at the head of the Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all over the UK or is this unusual? Did anyone have any connection with the 1971 Under Milk Wood?



  I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted!

  Dave Newbitt.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 21 16:25:28 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:25:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB160451A72CB985744761FC5FA7B39@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Yes, the large serifs on that typeface makes it look to me like it says ?Institinte? until I look more carefully. 

One of the houses in our village used to have a name sign which was almost illegible due to the poor choice of font. They changed it in recent years after having got fed up with delivery drivers being unable to match up what the sign said with what?s on the parcel.

Badly chosen typography is a similar failure to indistinct dialogue on a drama.  The people creating it already know what it?s supposed to say and can read it easily.  People encountering it for the first time can?t reliably decipher it. 

Alan


> On 21 Jun 2022, at 22:02, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I had to look hard at that to figure out why ?Institute? looked like a typo. Anyone else find that?
> N.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 20:52, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard where I found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at the head of the Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all over the UK or is this unusual? Did anyone have any connection with the 1971 Under Milk Wood?
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted!
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 16:30:29 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:30:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
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The "u" matches the earlier  "n" which is tight at the bottom.  Just to do
with the typeface.
BR Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 22:22 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> You?re quite right Nick and no, I hadn?t spotted it but it does indeed
> look weird. Here?s the tight crop from the original full frame shot :-
>
> [image: Institute]
>
> I think the ?u? is the culprit ? touching the preceding ?t? and
> excessively closed up at the top.
>
> Dave Newbitt
>
> *From:* Nick Ware via Tech1
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 21, 2022 10:02 PM
> *To:* David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
>
> I had to look hard at that to figure out why ?Institute? looked like a
> typo. Anyone else find that?
> N.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
> On 21 Jun 2022, at 20:52, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard where I
> found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at the head of
> the Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all over the UK or is
> this unusual? Did anyone have any connection with the 1971 Under Milk Wood?
>
> [image: BFI%20Plaque[3].jpg]
>
> I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best
> home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted!
>
> Dave Newbitt.
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From davidpcarter at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 21 19:49:03 2022
From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 01:49:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
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Dave

The plaque is one of 126 erected by the BFI, but this link no longer 
works properly!
https://www.londonremembers.com/subjects/british-film-institute?memorial_id=1379 
<https://www.londonremembers.com/subjects/british-film-institute?memorial_id=1379>


Fishguard was also one of the bases for the filming of some of the 
whaling sequences in Moby Dick (1956).  Local legend has it that one of 
the whale models was lost at sea and still resides in a cave along the 
coast.
Just a few miles up the coast, Newport was one of the locations for Law 
and Disorder (1958).  My wife had a 3 second cameo in it, with a rubber 
shark!

Glad the weather was warm enough for you to enjoy ice cream.  The local 
dairy industry has diversified into value added products.

David

------ Original Message ------
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Sent: Tuesday, 21 Jun, 2022 At 20:52
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema



Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard where 
I  found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at the head 
of the  Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all over the UK or 
is this  unusual? Did anyone have any connection with the 1971 Under 
Milk Wood?



BFI Plaque



I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best 
home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted!



Dave Newbitt.



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun 22 03:35:44 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:35:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema
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Thank you for the info David ? it fired my interest to hunt about a bit and I found a little more. As you say, the link you include (which contains its own warning that the on-going link is compromised) is dodgy.

Apparently a competition was mounted jointly by the BFI and the Scottish Film Council for the public to nominate subjects for these centenary plaques. It seems likely that the BFI originally intended to select 100 venues but worthy entrants obviously exceeded this target hence the 126 tally. If the info on this next link is accurate re the overall NFI/ Scottish Film Council quantity then the number is either 262 or 263.     https://openplaques.org/series/1    My Fishguard NFI plaque is listed as No. 40771.

If this piece from Rushden, Northants is correct not all have survived:-



Above written by someone apparently unaware that ?the original 100? had expanded.

Looking at some of these it seems a painter/decorator with an hour or two of spare time would come in handy.

Dave Newbitt.



From: davidpcarter via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:49 AM
To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Cc: davidpcarter ; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema

Dave

The plaque is one of 126 erected by the BFI, but this link no longer works properly!

https://www.londonremembers.com/subjects/british-film-institute?memorial_id=1379



Fishguard was also one of the bases for the filming of some of the whaling sequences in Moby Dick (1956). Local legend has it that one of the whale models was lost at sea and still resides in a cave along the coast. 

Just a few miles up the coast, Newport was one of the locations for Law and Disorder (1958). My wife had a 3 second cameo in it, with a rubber shark!

Glad the weather was warm enough for you to enjoy ice cream. The local dairy industry has diversified into value added products.

David



------ Original Message ------
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Subject: [Tech1] Centenary of Cinema

Our week in Pembrokeshire last month included a visit to Fishguard where I found this plaque set in a large irregular block of stone at the head of the Quay. Were there similar plaques dotted about all over the UK or is this unusual? Did anyone have any connection with the 1971 Under Milk Wood? 

I thought it rather splendid. Further down the Quay we found the best home-made ice-cream I have ever tasted! 

Dave Newbitt.



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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Jun 24 12:36:11 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 18:36:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.
Message-ID: <868ba5dc-bb61-ab66-b930-1dff5882877f@davesound.co.uk>

Does there seem to be more of their fair share of sound problems - mics 
not working and splats etc - than before? Or just coincidence?



From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Jun 24 13:14:42 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 19:14:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.
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I have to say that even as a sound man I have more concern about the pictures ~ they?re awful! Hugh Edwards didn?t look good, but Sophie Raworth looked haggard and I can?t believe any of the presenters would consider their appearance acceptable. It?s an absolute dog?s breakfast and the shot of all the regional presenters waiting dutifully for the big cheese to finish just about sums up the whole ill-conceived presentation. And why did we need to be reminded that weather people have feet?

Mike G



> On 24 Jun 2022, at 18:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Does there seem to be more of their fair share of sound problems - mics not working and splats etc - than before? Or just coincidence?
> 
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Jun 24 14:01:42 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:01:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.
In-Reply-To: <288E2B6F-0D76-400B-A1F1-6723CE8C4773@mac.com>
References: <868ba5dc-bb61-ab66-b930-1dff5882877f@davesound.co.uk>
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Each time the news presenters do their funny walk at the end of the programme before throwing to the regions I worry that they?re going to bump their heads on the spiral staircase; it?s a real dogs dinner . . .

Hugh

> On 24 Jun 2022, at 19:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have to say that even as a sound man I have more concern about the pictures ~ they?re awful! Hugh Edwards didn?t look good, but Sophie Raworth looked haggard and I can?t believe any of the presenters would consider their appearance acceptable. It?s an absolute dog?s breakfast and the shot of all the regional presenters waiting dutifully for the big cheese to finish just about sums up the whole ill-conceived presentation. And why did we need to be reminded that weather people have feet?
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 Jun 2022, at 18:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Does there seem to be more of their fair share of sound problems - mics not working and splats etc - than before? Or just coincidence?
>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Jun 24 14:07:10 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:07:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.
In-Reply-To: <B8472D29-D9E2-4EA6-95BD-5159192AA397@talktalk.net>
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Not to mention the chance of a base over apex on the step!

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 8:01 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.

Each time the news presenters do their funny walk at the end of the 
programme before throwing to the regions I worry that they?re going to bump 
their heads on the spiral staircase; it?s a real dogs dinner . . .

Hugh

> On 24 Jun 2022, at 19:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> I have to say that even as a sound man I have more concern about the 
> pictures ~ they?re awful! Hugh Edwards didn?t look good, but Sophie 
> Raworth looked haggard and I can?t believe any of the presenters would 
> consider their appearance acceptable. It?s an absolute dog?s breakfast and 
> the shot of all the regional presenters waiting dutifully for the big 
> cheese to finish just about sums up the whole ill-conceived presentation. 
> And why did we need to be reminded that weather people have feet?
>
> Mike G



From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 15:25:29 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 21:25:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.
In-Reply-To: <288E2B6F-0D76-400B-A1F1-6723CE8C4773@mac.com>
References: <288E2B6F-0D76-400B-A1F1-6723CE8C4773@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FB42DC43-8DD3-4CBE-9F21-18F1D1C8C24D@gmail.com>

Sorry to all you discerning Sound people but I haven?t registered the poor sound quality that you have, even listening on our Bose Soundbar, so it?s good to read your comments. As a cameraman who worked on the Ten O?clock news on BBC1 when it was in N6 at TC, I thought the studio setup on the news at NBH was bad enough with cameras in shot and the poor eye lines on interviewees at the main desk, but the new studio setup is, as Mike says ?awful?and well described as ?a dog?s breakfast?.
All the wandering about that the presenter does and the throws to contributors in deep wide shot, then doing interviews with them in full length when we need to see their  expressions. The same with people including the weather presenter seen in full shot at the screen, it gives the viewer the impression that we are looking on from a distance when the natural thing we want to do is to move closer to see their faces and expressions. I can?t believe that anyone in News thought it a good idea or allowed themselves to be persuaded to go for it, let alone Huw Edwards who claimed in the preview to be ?very excited about it.? Has he seen what the lighting does to him or Sophie? I?m sure Mrs Edwards would tell him if not, just as Terry Wogan used to complain that his wife had commented when the lighting on him didn?t look good on his chat show.
What a relief when last Saturday evening the news at ten bycame from the old studio, presumably because there was no BBC London News which needed it. I was hoping it would be the same on Sunday evening but sadly it wasn?t, as the regional news was back.
As I said in my last message (if it didn?t get trapped the Bounces filter due to my accidentally using an unregistered email address), I wonder what Tunbridge Wells will have to say about it in the Radio Times feedback column, or even Mrs Trellis of North Wales on one of the comedy shows?
I doubt if it will make a scrap of difference whatever the consumers say, as the News chiefs  will simply ignore it and carry on, as with the main character in the news today despite what happened at the polls yesterday.
Apologies if I?ve strayed into forbidden territory with that comment, 

Geoff

> On 24 Jun 2022, at 19:15, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I have to say that even as a sound man I have more concern about the pictures ~ they?re awful! Hugh Edwards didn?t look good, but Sophie Raworth looked haggard and I can?t believe any of the presenters would consider their appearance acceptable. It?s an absolute dog?s breakfast and the shot of all the regional presenters waiting dutifully for the big cheese to finish just about sums up the whole ill-conceived presentation. And why did we need to be reminded that weather people have feet?
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 Jun 2022, at 18:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Does there seem to be more of their fair share of sound problems - mics not working and splats etc - than before? Or just coincidence?
>> 
>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Jun 24 17:55:43 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 23:55:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.
In-Reply-To: <FB42DC43-8DD3-4CBE-9F21-18F1D1C8C24D@gmail.com>
References: <288E2B6F-0D76-400B-A1F1-6723CE8C4773@mac.com>
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Wasn't poor sound I was commenting on, Geoff, but mics not working at 
all on what I assume is a new installation.

Talking about awkward looking shots - the way Newsnight forces the 
presenter to look over their shoulder at the screen when a remote 
interview is on takes some beating. There must be a better way of doing it.

On 24/06/2022 21:25, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> Sorry to all you discerning Sound people but I haven?t registered the poor sound quality that you have, even listening on our Bose Soundbar, so it?s good to read your comments. As a cameraman who worked on the Ten O?clock news on BBC1 when it was in N6 at TC, I thought the studio setup on the news at NBH was bad enough with cameras in shot and the poor eye lines on interviewees at the main desk, but the new studio setup is, as Mike says ?awful?and well described as ?a dog?s breakfast?.
> All the wandering about that the presenter does and the throws to contributors in deep wide shot, then doing interviews with them in full length when we need to see their  expressions. The same with people including the weather presenter seen in full shot at the screen, it gives the viewer the impression that we are looking on from a distance when the natural thing we want to do is to move closer to see their faces and expressions. I can?t believe that anyone in News thought it a good idea or allowed themselves to be persuaded to go for it, let alone Huw Edwards who claimed in the preview to be ?very excited about it.? Has he seen what the lighting does to him or Sophie? I?m sure Mrs Edwards would tell him if not, just as Terry Wogan used to complain that his wife had commented when the lighting on him didn?t look good on his chat show.
> What a relief when last Saturday evening the news at ten bycame from the old studio, presumably because there was no BBC London News which needed it. I was hoping it would be the same on Sunday evening but sadly it wasn?t, as the regional news was back.
> As I said in my last message (if it didn?t get trapped the Bounces filter due to my accidentally using an unregistered email address), I wonder what Tunbridge Wells will have to say about it in the Radio Times feedback column, or even Mrs Trellis of North Wales on one of the comedy shows?
> I doubt if it will make a scrap of difference whatever the consumers say, as the News chiefs  will simply ignore it and carry on, as with the main character in the news today despite what happened at the polls yesterday.
> Apologies if I?ve strayed into forbidden territory with that comment,
>
> Geoff
>
>> On 24 Jun 2022, at 19:15, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?I have to say that even as a sound man I have more concern about the pictures ~ they?re awful! Hugh Edwards didn?t look good, but Sophie Raworth looked haggard and I can?t believe any of the presenters would consider their appearance acceptable. It?s an absolute dog?s breakfast and the shot of all the regional presenters waiting dutifully for the big cheese to finish just about sums up the whole ill-conceived presentation. And why did we need to be reminded that weather people have feet?
>>
>> Mike G
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 24 Jun 2022, at 18:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does there seem to be more of their fair share of sound problems - mics not working and splats etc - than before? Or just coincidence?
>>>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun 25 04:17:58 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 10:17:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.
In-Reply-To: <FB42DC43-8DD3-4CBE-9F21-18F1D1C8C24D@gmail.com>
References: <288E2B6F-0D76-400B-A1F1-6723CE8C4773@mac.com>
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Strongly agree Geoff as indeed I do with all the adverse comments on this 
thread. My observation as a viewing customer rather than an informed insider 
is that it is another example of a general trend which has gathered momentum 
down the years. The trend I see is for a desire right across all media, 
advertising and general 'lifestyle' promotion to overstate, over do, design 
to death, over hype, generate synthetic excitement where little exists and 
overall make the vehicle more important than the message it is carrying. 
Glossy magazines nowadays have to have pictures anything but square to the 
page, overlapped randomly in collages which are usually a mess rather than 
aesthetically pleasing. Copy has to overlap pictures, often with font colour 
barely distinguishable from picture background colour. One could go on and 
on but the reason as to why is what I would love to see addressed. Many 
times where I have seen coverage of 'around the table' meetings discussing 
art, graphics, presentation etc. my feeling has been one of 90% pretension, 
10% professional input.

Our forum (I speak not for myself but for the rest of you) is a prime 
example of a source for almost unlimited specialist knowledge, experience 
and outright ability in a field which has impacted our society in an almost 
unparalleled way. The voices holding sway however choose not to seek out and 
embrace that utterly professional approach to the material they are 
responsible for, choosing instead what they think is glitzy, eye-catching, 
cool and shot through with "look at me, look at me".

I am sure we are not just grumpy old men, there is real substance to so much 
comment from many members. It may be whistling into the wind but please 
don't stop!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 9:25 PM
To: Mike Giles
Cc: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.

Sorry to all you discerning Sound people but I haven?t registered the poor 
sound quality that you have, even listening on our Bose Soundbar, so it?s 
good to read your comments. As a cameraman who worked on the Ten O?clock 
news on BBC1 when it was in N6 at TC, I thought the studio setup on the news 
at NBH was bad enough with cameras in shot and the poor eye lines on 
interviewees at the main desk, but the new studio setup is, as Mike says 
?awful?and well described as ?a dog?s breakfast?.
All the wandering about that the presenter does and the throws to 
contributors in deep wide shot, then doing interviews with them in full 
length when we need to see their  expressions. The same with people 
including the weather presenter seen in full shot at the screen, it gives 
the viewer the impression that we are looking on from a distance when the 
natural thing we want to do is to move closer to see their faces and 
expressions. I can?t believe that anyone in News thought it a good idea or 
allowed themselves to be persuaded to go for it, let alone Huw Edwards who 
claimed in the preview to be ?very excited about it.? Has he seen what the 
lighting does to him or Sophie? I?m sure Mrs Edwards would tell him if not, 
just as Terry Wogan used to complain that his wife had commented when the 
lighting on him didn?t look good on his chat show.
What a relief when last Saturday evening the news at ten bycame from the old 
studio, presumably because there was no BBC London News which needed it. I 
was hoping it would be the same on Sunday evening but sadly it wasn?t, as 
the regional news was back.
As I said in my last message (if it didn?t get trapped the Bounces filter 
due to my accidentally using an unregistered email address), I wonder what 
Tunbridge Wells will have to say about it in the Radio Times feedback 
column, or even Mrs Trellis of North Wales on one of the comedy shows?
I doubt if it will make a scrap of difference whatever the consumers say, as 
the News chiefs  will simply ignore it and carry on, as with the main 
character in the news today despite what happened at the polls yesterday.
Apologies if I?ve strayed into forbidden territory with that comment,

Geoff

> On 24 Jun 2022, at 19:15, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?I have to say that even as a sound man I have more concern about the 
> pictures ~ they?re awful! Hugh Edwards didn?t look good, but Sophie 
> Raworth looked haggard and I can?t believe any of the presenters would 
> consider their appearance acceptable. It?s an absolute dog?s breakfast and 
> the shot of all the regional presenters waiting dutifully for the big 
> cheese to finish just about sums up the whole ill-conceived presentation. 
> And why did we need to be reminded that weather people have feet?
>
> Mike G
>
>
>
>> On 24 Jun 2022, at 18:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does there seem to be more of their fair share of sound problems - mics 
>> not working and splats etc - than before? Or just coincidence?
>>
>>
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 25 11:01:44 2022
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:01:44 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] New BBC newsroom.
In-Reply-To: <31A02D5D1192428B81CC668737111C4F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Yes, I agree too.  It's all very similar to what Sky News did about 15 
years ago.  The effect, then and now, is to diminish the status of the 
presenter, and the size of the graphic on your home screen is exactly 
the same, however big it is in the studio.  Lighting is of necessity 
very frontal and flat, and as someone has already pointed out you lose 
the subtlety of facial reactions of interviewees, not that you're on 
their eyeline anyway (this is in theory a separate issue, but it seems 
to go hand-in-hand with the general "style").

Oh well, that's progress for you.

Best wishes  .....  Vernon Dyer





Strongly agree Geoff as indeed I do with all the adverse comments on 
this thread. My observation as a viewing customer rather than an 
informed insider is that it is another example of a general trend which 
has gathered momentum down the years. The trend I see is for a desire 
right across all media, advertising and general 'lifestyle' promotion to 
overstate, over do, design to death, over hype, generate synthetic 
excitement where little exists and overall make the vehicle more 
important than the message it is carrying. Glossy magazines nowadays 
have to have pictures anything but square to the page, overlapped 
randomly in collages which are usually a mess rather than aesthetically 
pleasing. Copy has to overlap pictures, often with font colour barely 
distinguishable from picture background colour. One could go on and on 
but the reason as to why is what I would love to see addressed. Many 
times where I have seen coverage of 'around the table' meetings 
discussing art, graphics, presentation etc. my feeling has been one of 
90% pretension, 10% professional input.
Our forum (I speak not for myself but for the rest of you) is a prime 
example of a source for almost unlimited specialist knowledge, 
experience and outright ability in a field which has impacted our 
society in an almost unparalleled way. The voices holding sway however 
choose not to seek out and embrace that utterly professional approach to 
the material they are responsible for, choosing instead what they think 
is glitzy, eye-catching, cool and shot through with "look at me, look at 
me".
I am sure we are not just grumpy old men, there is real substance to so 
much comment from many members. It may be whistling into the wind but 
please don't stop!
Dave Newbitt.
-----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes
Sorry to all you discerning Sound people but I haven?t registered the 
poor sound quality that you have, even listening on our Bose Soundbar, 
so it?s good to read your comments. As a cameraman who worked on the Ten 
O?clock news on BBC1 when it was in N6 at TC, I thought the studio setup 
on the news at NBH was bad enough with cameras in shot and the poor eye 
lines on interviewees at the main desk, but the new studio setup is, as 
Mike says ?awful?and well described as ?a dog?s breakfast?.
All the wandering about that the presenter does and the throws to 
contributors in deep wide shot, then doing interviews with them in full 
length when we need to see their  expressions. The same with people 
including the weather presenter seen in full shot at the screen, it 
gives the viewer the impression that we are looking on from a distance 
when the natural thing we want to do is to move closer to see their 
faces and expressions. I can?t believe that anyone in News thought it a 
good idea or allowed themselves to be persuaded to go for it, let alone 
Huw Edwards who claimed in the preview to be ?very excited about it.? 
Has he seen what the lighting does to him or Sophie? I?m sure Mrs 
Edwards would tell him if not, just as Terry Wogan used to complain that 
his wife had commented when the lighting on him didn?t look good on his 
chat show.
What a relief when last Saturday evening the news at ten bycame from the 
old studio, presumably because there was no BBC London News which needed 
it. I was hoping it would be the same on Sunday evening but sadly it 
wasn?t, as the regional news was back.


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Jun 25 12:08:18 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 18:08:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
Message-ID: <0E04C43E-FC30-4D57-BCD3-64CCF641D5C8@me.com>

Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 

At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.

All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.

Give it a try, it will improve your evening.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

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From relong at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 25 17:51:09 2022
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 23:51:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Jay Bellerose is a top  drummer and the rockabilly band perfect for Alison  and Robert
The twin fiddlers near perfect 
Great balance , great Americana?
Macca on the other hand was all over the place and the sound balance unreliable.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
> 
> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
> 
> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
> 
> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
> 
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 26 04:36:11 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:36:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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References: <0E04C43E-FC30-4D57-BCD3-64CCF641D5C8@me.com>
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Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the 
OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening,

and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?

Pat


On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer.
>
> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to 
> the younger generation.
>
> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>
> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
> /
>
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jun 26 05:11:29 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 11:11:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.

Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.

Alan



> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening, 
> 
> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>> 
>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>> 
>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>> 
>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>> 
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Jun 26 05:49:19 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 11:49:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in the UK to do both. 

I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.
> 
> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening, 
>> 
>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>> 
>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>> 
>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>> 
>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From nick at mcr21.org.uk  Sun Jun 26 05:52:32 2022
From: nick at mcr21.org.uk (Nick Gilbey)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 11:52:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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MCR21, the 1960s restored BBC mobile control room is going to be at the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. Perhaps we can help out with a few live transmissions. Nick

Nick Gilbey

nick at mcr.org.uk

07831 219957

> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.
> 
> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening, 
>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> 
>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>> 
>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>> 
>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>> 
>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Jun 26 05:54:44 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:54:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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I?m out of that side of things now, but in the 21 years that I did Wimbledon it was obvious that the order in which all the trucks arrived and left was very tightly scheduled and coordinated. That included the order that cabling went in and out too.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.

Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.

Alan



On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening,

and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?

Pat


On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer.

At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.

All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.

Give it a try, it will improve your evening.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com<mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.














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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 26 06:57:22 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:57:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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One would hope so, Alan, but given the current 'planning' re: News, I 
wouldn't risk a bet!

I remember that one year the weather delayed the men's final until the 
Monday - problem was that the BBC MCR was required in Sweden, and as it 
was first into the 'media centre' garage, it was blocked in by all the 
other broadcasters!

It was so much more fun with the open air compound - NBC used to 
organise their 'village' so well, but the Wimbledon powers-that-be 
demanded that it all be hidden away.

I was in the area, to go on a Cream Tea train run by the East Somerset 
Steam Railway - so avoided the Glastonbury area like the plague.

Pat

On 26/06/2022 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and 
> allocated trucks accordingly.
>
> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow 
> morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine 
> how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig 
> everything in time for the opening matches.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about 
>> the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening,
>>
>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer.
>>>
>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done 
>>> to the younger generation.
>>>
>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>
>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>
>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>> /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jun 26 07:11:03 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 13:11:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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There used to be a similar hectic period in November.  RAH Remembrance service on Saturday, Cenotaph on Sunday morning.  Lord Mayors show on Saturday, every second year the Royal Variety Performance happened about a week later ( alternating with ITV ) and in the days when they used to still do it, Miss World happened about the same time too, I think it was at the RAH the week after Remembrance. Football and racing continued as normal. It often offered an opportunity to earn a bit of overtime for us OB chaps.

The Boat Race time and date is determined by the tides, but the date of Easter is also determined in part by the phase of the moon. Some years, the Boat Race and Easter would coincide.  Many other big events happened over Easter too, which must have made life difficult for the scheduling people. I remember the Country & Western Festival from Wembley Pool happening every Easter, also the first Hickstead event of the year and Motor Racing.  Just to liven things up a bit, they liked to have Eurovision around then as well.  Maybe a live Easter broadcast from a cathedral would tie up loads of facilities at the same time, although some big Easter religious broadcasts were recorded a few days before. 

Alan


> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in the UK to do both. 
> 
> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.
>> 
>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening, 
>>> 
>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>>> 
>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>>> 
>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>> 
>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>> 
>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Jun 26 07:51:22 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 13:51:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on the same 
day. Had my bother and young family staying with me (from Scotland) and 
they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was working on The Bill at the 
time, and had just got a script called Party Politics. An omen. Not 
being a betting type, and before you could do everything online, I 
decided to find a betting shop between the station and Putney tow path. 
No such luck, so no bet. These days, you'd pass a betting shop every few 
yards on every high street.

On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be 
> on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in the 
> UK to do both.
>
> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the 
> Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and 
>> allocated trucks accordingly.
>>
>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow 
>> morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine 
>> how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig 
>> everything in time for the opening matches.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about 
>>> the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening,
>>>
>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer.
>>>>
>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done 
>>>> to the younger generation.
>>>>
>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>>
>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>
>>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>>> /
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jun 26 08:18:44 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 14:18:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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My favourite betting story concerns a unit manager ( Geoff Davies ) who arrived on site at a dog racing track a little early.  He decided to go to a nearby garage to get a snack and when he looked at the receipt, the date was 3rd March and the total came to ?3.33.  He took it as an omen and decided to put ?3 on dog no 3 in the third race.

Somebody mentioned this bet to the betting pundit for Sky and it became a topic during the coverage of the doggies. When the third race was on, much interest was shown in dog no 3. To the amusement of all concerned, it came third.

Alan



> On 26 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on the same day. Had my bother and young family staying with me (from Scotland) and they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was working on The Bill at the time, and had just got a script called Party Politics. An omen. Not being a betting type, and before you could do everything online, I decided to find a betting shop between the station and Putney tow path. No such luck, so no bet. These days, you'd pass a betting shop every few yards on every high street.
> 
> On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in the UK to do both. 
>> 
>> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.
>>> 
>>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening, 
>>>> 
>>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 26 09:05:29 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 15:05:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Oh! I love that story! Straight out of Ronnie Barker?

I'm not a betting man, either, but living close to Epsom Downs, I did 
place a bet on the Derby one year - I was working on the B & W Minstrels 
in TVT, and there was a horse called The Minstrel, ridden by Piggott, so 
I ventured a fiver at rather short odds - 3:1. It won, so there was 
enough for a bottle of champagne!

Pat

On 26/06/2022 14:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> My favourite betting story concerns a unit manager ( Geoff Davies ) 
> who arrived on site at a dog racing track a little early. ?He decided 
> to go to a nearby garage to get a snack and when he looked at the 
> receipt, the date was 3rd March and the total came to ?3.33. ?He took 
> it as an omen and decided to put ?3 on dog no 3 in the third race.
>
> Somebody mentioned this bet to the betting pundit for Sky and it 
> became a topic during the coverage of the doggies. When the third race 
> was on, much interest was shown in dog no 3. To the amusement of all 
> concerned, it came third.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on the 
>> same day. Had my bother and young family staying with me (from 
>> Scotland) and they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was working on 
>> The Bill at the time, and had just got a script called Party 
>> Politics. An omen. Not being a betting type, and before you could do 
>> everything online, I decided to find a betting shop between the 
>> station and Putney tow path. No such luck, so no bet. These days, 
>> you'd pass a betting shop every few yards on every high street.
>>
>> On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be 
>>> on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in 
>>> the UK to do both.
>>>
>>> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the 
>>> Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>>>
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>
>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>> /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and 
>>>> allocated trucks accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow 
>>>> morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t 
>>>> imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let 
>>>> along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered 
>>>>> about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this 
>>>>> Sun evening,
>>>>>
>>>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to 
>>>>> cover?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be 
>>>>>> done to the younger generation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>>>>> /
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jun 26 09:52:10 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 15:52:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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When I used to work on two different iterations of LO21, doing remote cameras on racecourses was a regular fixture for the scanner and we had some riggers who were really into betting.

Many gamblers claim to have a system, or special insight, but for the most part it seems mythical.  However one rigger did have a system which seemed to make sense to me and was working in reality over the period of a few months.  His approach was to put a pound each way on every horse with odds of 25:1 or greater, so long as it was a National Hunt race with a field of no more than 12 horses.  His logic being that the jumps made the race a bit unpredictable. Favourite horses might fall and the occasional outsider could fluke it.  With those sort of odds, you don?t need to win too often to keep ahead of the game.

Alan


> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:05, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Oh! I love that story! Straight out of Ronnie Barker?
> 
> I'm not a betting man, either, but living close to Epsom Downs, I did place a bet on the Derby one year - I was working on the B & W Minstrels in TVT, and there was a horse called The Minstrel, ridden by Piggott, so I ventured a fiver at rather short odds - 3:1. It won, so there was enough for a bottle of champagne!
> 
> Pat
> 
> On 26/06/2022 14:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> My favourite betting story concerns a unit manager ( Geoff Davies ) who arrived on site at a dog racing track a little early.  He decided to go to a nearby garage to get a snack and when he looked at the receipt, the date was 3rd March and the total came to ?3.33.  He took it as an omen and decided to put ?3 on dog no 3 in the third race.
>> 
>> Somebody mentioned this bet to the betting pundit for Sky and it became a topic during the coverage of the doggies. When the third race was on, much interest was shown in dog no 3. To the amusement of all concerned, it came third.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on the same day. Had my bother and young family staying with me (from Scotland) and they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was working on The Bill at the time, and had just got a script called Party Politics. An omen. Not being a betting type, and before you could do everything online, I decided to find a betting shop between the station and Putney tow path. No such luck, so no bet. These days, you'd pass a betting shop every few yards on every high street.
>>> 
>>> On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in the UK to do both. 
>>>> 
>>>> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>>>> 
>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>> 
>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 26 10:18:19 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:18:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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When I joined Crew 16, in about 1970, there was a? weekly pools entry, 
with each member giving some share of the cost.?? Of course, we never 
won, so someone - it may have been Ian Perry - suggested we do the 
horses instead. So we all put in one week's pools money.This was much 
more fun, and caused much discussion in the tea bar over coffee on each 
crew day.? It would be someone's job to go down to the betting shop on 
the Green and make our bets.? When I left the crew, probably to do a 
Pres stint, there was still money in the kitty, and tea bar enthusiasm.

B



On 26/06/2022 14:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> My favourite betting story concerns a unit manager ( Geoff Davies ) 
> who arrived on site at a dog racing track a little early. ?He decided 
> to go to a nearby garage to get a snack and when he looked at the 
> receipt, the date was 3rd March and the total came to ?3.33. ?He took 
> it as an omen and decided to put ?3 on dog no 3 in the third race.
>
> Somebody mentioned this bet to the betting pundit for Sky and it 
> became a topic during the coverage of the doggies. When the third race 
> was on, much interest was shown in dog no 3. To the amusement of all 
> concerned, it came third.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on the 
>> same day. Had my bother and young family staying with me (from 
>> Scotland) and they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was working on 
>> The Bill at the time, and had just got a script called Party 
>> Politics. An omen. Not being a betting type, and before you could do 
>> everything online, I decided to find a betting shop between the 
>> station and Putney tow path. No such luck, so no bet. These days, 
>> you'd pass a betting shop every few yards on every high street.
>>
>> On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be 
>>> on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in 
>>> the UK to do both.
>>>
>>> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the 
>>> Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>>>
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>
>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>> /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and 
>>>> allocated trucks accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow 
>>>> morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t 
>>>> imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let 
>>>> along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered 
>>>>> about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this 
>>>>> Sun evening,
>>>>>
>>>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to 
>>>>> cover?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be 
>>>>>> done to the younger generation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>>>>> /
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Jun 26 13:30:48 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 19:30:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Hate to say it, but Diana Ross is consistently flat, definitely not 'on top' of the note. 
Such a shame after all the terrific Motown stuff she's done.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 25 Jun 2022, at 23:51, Roger Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Jay Bellerose is a top  drummer and the rockabilly band perfect for Alison  and Robert
> The twin fiddlers near perfect 
> Great balance , great Americana?
> Macca on the other hand was all over the place and the sound balance unreliable.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 25 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>> 
>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>> 
>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>> 
>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>> 
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Jun 26 13:39:48 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 19:39:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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References: <B57B7682-FC76-4BCC-AC50-4EF2B46B1557@me.com>
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Yes Alasdair, but my grandchildren tell me I am flat too - I don?t think I am!

Mike G

> On 26 Jun 2022, at 19:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hate to say it, but Diana Ross is consistently flat, definitely not 'on top' of the note. 
> Such a shame after all the terrific Motown stuff she's done.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 25 Jun 2022, at 23:51, Roger Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Jay Bellerose is a top  drummer and the rockabilly band perfect for Alison  and Robert
>> The twin fiddlers near perfect 
>> Great balance , great Americana?
>> Macca on the other hand was all over the place and the sound balance unreliable.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On 25 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>> 
>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>> 
>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>> 
>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Jun 26 13:46:12 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 19:46:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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In fact, I was just thinking she?s become a female Bob Dylan!

Mike G

> On 26 Jun 2022, at 19:40, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jun 26 14:10:32 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 20:10:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Just been watching Diana Ross on BBC1 and feeling a little disappointed.  She doesn?t really be performing the songs, just singing them ? and not too brilliantly either. The crowd are obviously loving her and she is loving the adulation, but she seems rather wooden.

I think it?s one of those things which works so much better if you?re actually there. However if I had been standing in the sun for a few hours waiting to see her performance, I?d be pretty miffed if the moment she walks onto stage, the girl in front of me climbed up on her boyfriend?s shoulders and completely blocked the already limited view of the stage I might otherwise have had.

Alan





> On 26 Jun 2022, at 19:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hate to say it, but Diana Ross is consistently flat, definitely not 'on top' of the note. 
> Such a shame after all the terrific Motown stuff she's done.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 25 Jun 2022, at 23:51, Roger Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Jay Bellerose is a top  drummer and the rockabilly band perfect for Alison  and Robert
>> The twin fiddlers near perfect 
>> Great balance , great Americana?
>> Macca on the other hand was all over the place and the sound balance unreliable.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On 25 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>> 
>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>> 
>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>> 
>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Jun 26 17:38:36 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:38:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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But would you now be capable of supporting your significant other half on your shoulders for that long Alan? I could have done it once upon a time, but I think that we would both end up on the floor nowadays! I also wonder about those behind the beer tents (at least, I presume that?s what they are). 

Mike G

> On 26 Jun 2022, at 20:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Just been watching Diana Ross on BBC1 and feeling a little disappointed.  She doesn?t really be performing the songs, just singing them ? and not too brilliantly either. The crowd are obviously loving her and she is loving the adulation, but she seems rather wooden.
> 
> I think it?s one of those things which works so much better if you?re actually there. However if I had been standing in the sun for a few hours waiting to see her performance, I?d be pretty miffed if the moment she walks onto stage, the girl in front of me climbed up on her boyfriend?s shoulders and completely blocked the already limited view of the stage I might otherwise have had.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 19:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Hate to say it, but Diana Ross is consistently flat, definitely not 'on top' of the note. 
>> Such a shame after all the terrific Motown stuff she's done.
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 25 Jun 2022, at 23:51, Roger Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?Jay Bellerose is a top  drummer and the rockabilly band perfect for Alison  and Robert
>>> The twin fiddlers near perfect 
>>> Great balance , great Americana?
>>> Macca on the other hand was all over the place and the sound balance unreliable.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> ?Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>>> 
>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>>> 
>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>> 
>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>> 
>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 26 18:02:46 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 00:02:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Betting on horses
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Many years ago I happened to be working in Pres B one afternoon on horse racing when one of the production people in the studio was running a book. One of the fixtures was a four horse race and one horse had odds of 100-1. Miraculously that horse won. I?m not a gambling man as I lost too much of my pocket money in slot machines in arcades at the seaside when I was young and resolved never to bet again, a decision I?ve only gone back on a handful of times since, mainly when there?s been a sweepstake among colleagues in the studio on the National or something like that.
I?ve  often wished though that I?d place a tenner or even a fiver on that horse, if nothing else but to get one over on the bookie as it?s usually them that make the money, sometimes from people who can?t afford it. I overheard one such man complaining bitterly to the man in a booking office on a rare occasion when I was working at Ascot, that the horse he had been told was ?a dead cert? hadn?t even been placed and he?d lost his money. More fool him of course, but I can?t help feeling sorry for such people as addictions of any sort are hard to quit. I detest the amount of ads for gambling there are on television, luring people in by offers of free stake money or offering tuppenny stakes to get them started,

Geoff

> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:52, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> When I used to work on two different iterations of LO21, doing remote cameras on racecourses was a regular fixture for the scanner and we had some riggers who were really into betting.
> 
> Many gamblers claim to have a system, or special insight, but for the most part it seems mythical.  However one rigger did have a system which seemed to make sense to me and was working in reality over the period of a few months.  His approach was to put a pound each way on every horse with odds of 25:1 or greater, so long as it was a National Hunt race with a field of no more than 12 horses.  His logic being that the jumps made the race a bit unpredictable. Favourite horses might fall and the occasional outsider could fluke it.  With those sort of odds, you don?t need to win too often to keep ahead of the game.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:05, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Oh! I love that story! Straight out of Ronnie Barker?
>> 
>> I'm not a betting man, either, but living close to Epsom Downs, I did place a bet on the Derby one year - I was working on the B & W Minstrels in TVT, and there was a horse called The Minstrel, ridden by Piggott, so I ventured a fiver at rather short odds - 3:1. It won, so there was enough for a bottle of champagne!
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> On 26/06/2022 14:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My favourite betting story concerns a unit manager ( Geoff Davies ) who arrived on site at a dog racing track a little early.  He decided to go to a nearby garage to get a snack and when he looked at the receipt, the date was 3rd March and the total came to ?3.33.  He took it as an omen and decided to put ?3 on dog no 3 in the third race.
>>> 
>>> Somebody mentioned this bet to the betting pundit for Sky and it became a topic during the coverage of the doggies. When the third race was on, much interest was shown in dog no 3. To the amusement of all concerned, it came third.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on the same day. Had my bother and young family staying with me (from Scotland) and they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was working on The Bill at the time, and had just got a script called Party Politics. An omen. Not being a betting type, and before you could do everything online, I decided to find a betting shop between the station and Putney tow path. No such luck, so no bet. These days, you'd pass a betting shop every few yards on every high street.
>>>> 
>>>> On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in the UK to do both. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jun 26 19:49:12 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 01:49:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Betting on horses
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For many years I worked on 'windy corner' at Ascot as did most of the OB 
sound ops. looking after Julian Wilson's in-vision set-up. It was on the 
route to the owners and trainers bar. There was always? a Stan Laurel 
shaped gentleman with a bowler hat looking after the access to the bar. 
He claimed to have the 'ear' of every trainer about how their horse 
would perform in the next race. Hot tips ensued and I never won a penny! 
I think my wife with a pin was a better tipper! Cheers, Dave

On 27/06/2022 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> Many years ago I happened to be working in Pres B one afternoon on 
> horse racing when one of the production people in the studio was 
> running a book. One of the fixtures was a four horse race and one 
> horse had odds of 100-1. Miraculously that horse won. I?m not a 
> gambling man as I lost too much of my pocket money in slot machines in 
> arcades at the seaside when I was young and resolved never to bet 
> again, a decision I?ve only gone back on a handful of times since, 
> mainly when there?s been a sweepstake among colleagues in the studio 
> on the National or something like that.
> I?ve ?often wished though that I?d place a tenner or even a fiver on 
> that horse, if nothing else but to get one over on the bookie as it?s 
> usually them that make the money, sometimes from people who can?t 
> afford it. I overheard one such man complaining bitterly to the man in 
> a booking office on a rare occasion when I was working at Ascot, that 
> the horse he had been told was ?a dead cert? hadn?t even been placed 
> and he?d lost his money. More fool him of course, but I can?t help 
> feeling sorry for such people as addictions of any sort are hard to 
> quit. I detest the amount of ads for gambling there are on television, 
> luring people in by offers of free stake money or offering tuppenny 
> stakes to get them started,
>
> Geoff
>
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:52, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> When I used to work on two different iterations of LO21, doing remote 
>> cameras on racecourses was a regular fixture for the scanner and we 
>> had some riggers who were really into betting.
>>
>> Many gamblers claim to have a system, or special insight, but for the 
>> most part it seems mythical. ?However one rigger did have a system 
>> which seemed to make sense to me and was working in reality over the 
>> period of a few months. ?His approach was to put a pound each way on 
>> every horse with odds of 25:1 or greater, so long as it was a 
>> National Hunt race with a field of no more than 12 horses. ?His logic 
>> being that the jumps made the race a bit unpredictable. Favourite 
>> horses might fall and the occasional outsider could fluke it. ?With 
>> those sort of odds, you don?t need to win too often to keep ahead of 
>> the game.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:05, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Oh! I love that story! Straight out of Ronnie Barker?
>>>
>>> I'm not a betting man, either, but living close to Epsom Downs, I 
>>> did place a bet on the Derby one year - I was working on the B & W 
>>> Minstrels in TVT, and there was a horse called The Minstrel, ridden 
>>> by Piggott, so I ventured a fiver at rather short odds - 3:1. It 
>>> won, so there was enough for a bottle of champagne!
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> On 26/06/2022 14:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> My favourite betting story concerns a unit manager ( Geoff Davies ) 
>>>> who arrived on site at a dog racing track a little early. ?He 
>>>> decided to go to a nearby garage to get a snack and when he looked 
>>>> at the receipt, the date was 3rd March and the total came to ?3.33. 
>>>> ?He took it as an omen and decided to put ?3 on dog no 3 in the 
>>>> third race.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody mentioned this bet to the betting pundit for Sky and it 
>>>> became a topic during the coverage of the doggies. When the third 
>>>> race was on, much interest was shown in dog no 3. To the amusement 
>>>> of all concerned, it came third.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on 
>>>>> the same day. Had my bother and young family staying with me (from 
>>>>> Scotland) and they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was working 
>>>>> on The Bill at the time, and had just got a script called Party 
>>>>> Politics. An omen. Not being a betting type, and before you could 
>>>>> do everything online, I decided to find a betting shop between the 
>>>>> station and Putney tow path. No such luck, so no bet. These days, 
>>>>> you'd pass a betting shop every few yards on every high street.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to 
>>>>>> be on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras 
>>>>>> in the UK to do both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal 
>>>>>> the Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>>>>> /
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and 
>>>>>>> allocated trucks accordingly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow 
>>>>>>> morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t 
>>>>>>> imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, 
>>>>>>> let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>>>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered 
>>>>>>>> about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until 
>>>>>>>> this Sun evening,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units 
>>>>>>>> to cover?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be 
>>>>>>>>> done to the younger generation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 27 01:41:03 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 07:41:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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On 26 Jun 2022, at 23:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> But would you now be capable of supporting your significant other half on your shoulders for that long Alan?

I don?t recall ever hoisting any adult onto my shoulders and have no intention of attempting to do so these days.  

I?m not one for huge crowds either, so although there are many things which appeal to me about Glastonbury, the sheer scale of the event would put me off. Every summer they have an evening where local bands perform in Banbury market place, some of them are excellent.  That?s a big enough crowd for me. 

Covering football matches usually meant that by the time you finish the post match interviews and derig, it?s about 90 mins after the end of the match. Still loads of congestion on roads , but the crowds on foot will have dissipated. I freelanced on a number of football club TV stations where it?s a permanent rig and you finish as soon as the commentator puts his microphone down. I never liked walking out to find myself in a massive crowd of people where you could scarcely move.  Some of the people based at TVC have presumably found themselves caught up in the crowd emerging from QPR at one time or another.

Alan

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jun 27 03:18:58 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 09:18:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Working at TVC with QPR as near neighbours - that stirs a memory or two 
Alan!

Arriving by car for work at TVC, first choice for parking was Frithville 
Gardens of course. Not often lucky so progressively on to investigate 
Stanlake Rd., Tunis Rd. and not uncommonly Loftus Road, the latter to be 
avoided on home match days. Not everyone in the crowds filing up and down 
Loftus Rd. was car-friendly. I have seen lads attempting to run the length 
of the street without touching the tarmac - up the boot, along the roof, 
down the bonnet and on to the next car.

If it was an evening match and you had parked in Loftus in the morning, 
'twer well to remember to shift it elsewhere later in the day!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 7:41 AM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury

On 26 Jun 2022, at 23:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> But would you now be capable of supporting your significant other half on 
> your shoulders for that long Alan?

I don?t recall ever hoisting any adult onto my shoulders and have no 
intention of attempting to do so these days.

I?m not one for huge crowds either, so although there are many things which 
appeal to me about Glastonbury, the sheer scale of the event would put me 
off. Every summer they have an evening where local bands perform in Banbury 
market place, some of them are excellent.  That?s a big enough crowd for me.

Covering football matches usually meant that by the time you finish the post 
match interviews and derig, it?s about 90 mins after the end of the match. 
Still loads of congestion on roads , but the crowds on foot will have 
dissipated. I freelanced on a number of football club TV stations where it?s 
a permanent rig and you finish as soon as the commentator puts his 
microphone down. I never liked walking out to find myself in a massive crowd 
of people where you could scarcely move.  Some of the people based at TVC 
have presumably found themselves caught up in the crowd emerging from QPR at 
one time or another.

Alan
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From relong at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 27 03:35:45 2022
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 09:35:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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In 2002 Mr Eavis funded a 16 camera doco about Glastonbury
I was there for 10 days camping behind the Pyramid in the green area
It was empty when I arrived by the weekend tents were erected over my tent even though I had camped next to a genny..
Julian Temple was our director  ,most of the time I was left to my own devices ,and ended up on the roof of sound control recording in MS
It was a fantastic vantage point and I did see some great  performances 
The nights were spent in Lost Vaugness and the Circus area all very weird and requiring evening dress (and shorts!)
The tepee field and healing area were fascinated  especially the camera obscura tent ,  a brilliant image on a copper  parabola with no noise?
Patrolling the new fence and filming the long drop latrines were compulsory and eye opening 
Nights were long ,the world / jazz stage had showers and a canteen , the weather was ok
The green bar in the marquee was a hoot no glasses just paper cups up to your knees at the end of the night
The crowds were ok ,very alt but not as intimidating as football
I saw Roger Walters do Animals for the first time live ( and in Quad PA) 
Rod Stewart with a great LA band 
Rolf Harris on a Sunday morning to 40,000
Plant in a small marquee.
Lots of African jazz and plenty of quirk.
It isn?t about the music really
It is the vibe of that rolling valley and distant Tor.
BBC coverage gives an element , just wish the pictures were more static , constant movement is tedious , I really want to see the performance in detail.
The sound is incredibly variable as are the bands I suppose.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Jun 2022, at 07:41, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?On 26 Jun 2022, at 23:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> But would you now be capable of supporting your significant other half on your shoulders for that long Alan?
> 
> I don?t recall ever hoisting any adult onto my shoulders and have no intention of attempting to do so these days.  
> 
> I?m not one for huge crowds either, so although there are many things which appeal to me about Glastonbury, the sheer scale of the event would put me off. Every summer they have an evening where local bands perform in Banbury market place, some of them are excellent.  That?s a big enough crowd for me. 
> 
> Covering football matches usually meant that by the time you finish the post match interviews and derig, it?s about 90 mins after the end of the match. Still loads of congestion on roads , but the crowds on foot will have dissipated. I freelanced on a number of football club TV stations where it?s a permanent rig and you finish as soon as the commentator puts his microphone down. I never liked walking out to find myself in a massive crowd of people where you could scarcely move.  Some of the people based at TVC have presumably found themselves caught up in the crowd emerging from QPR at one time or another.
> 
> Alan
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 27 03:56:32 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 09:56:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Sky generally arranged crew car parking, but not all OB companies did. If i couldn?t blag my way into a car park ( always worth a try, but it got progressively more difficult over the years ), I would park in a residential street not too close to the stadium and well away from the routes to bus stops and stations.  Arriving at around 9am there were usually plenty of options for on-street parking in those days.

One day I returned to my car which had been parked in a quiet street, only to find dents in the bonnet and over the roof where some cretin had done exactly what you describe. Other cars in the road were similarly dented.  

I wasn?t too keen on losing my no claims bonus, but a local garage proprietor happened to tell me about a guy who pushes out dents in cars, he was nicknamed the Dent Whisperer.  He just used his hands and applied pressure from the other side. The bodywork magically popped back into shape without any need for repainting.  If I hadn?t watched him do it, I wouldn?t have thought it possible. His fee was a fraction of the excess on my policy.

Alan


> On 27 Jun 2022, at 09:19, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Working at TVC with QPR as near neighbours - that stirs a memory or two Alan!
> 
> Arriving by car for work at TVC, first choice for parking was Frithville Gardens of course. Not often lucky so progressively on to investigate Stanlake Rd., Tunis Rd. and not uncommonly Loftus Road, the latter to be avoided on home match days. Not everyone in the crowds filing up and down Loftus Rd. was car-friendly. I have seen lads attempting to run the length of the street without touching the tarmac - up the boot, along the roof, down the bonnet and on to the next car.
> 
> If it was an evening match and you had parked in Loftus in the morning, 'twer well to remember to shift it elsewhere later in the day!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 7:41 AM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury
> 
>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 23:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> But would you now be capable of supporting your significant other half on your shoulders for that long Alan?
> 
> I don?t recall ever hoisting any adult onto my shoulders and have no intention of attempting to do so these days.
> 
> I?m not one for huge crowds either, so although there are many things which appeal to me about Glastonbury, the sheer scale of the event would put me off. Every summer they have an evening where local bands perform in Banbury market place, some of them are excellent.  That?s a big enough crowd for me.
> 
> Covering football matches usually meant that by the time you finish the post match interviews and derig, it?s about 90 mins after the end of the match. Still loads of congestion on roads , but the crowds on foot will have dissipated. I freelanced on a number of football club TV stations where it?s a permanent rig and you finish as soon as the commentator puts his microphone down. I never liked walking out to find myself in a massive crowd of people where you could scarcely move.  Some of the people based at TVC have presumably found themselves caught up in the crowd emerging from QPR at one time or another.
> 
> Alan
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 04:21:23 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 10:21:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Betting on.......
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In a different area of betting -

Some time back I had shares in a company that split itself, hiving off 
its evil coal mining arm. My share of the coal was worth ?2.80. If I'd 
decided that coal mining was for me the current gain is 2597.86% . I 
could have been rich, rich, rich!

As it is I now have ?72.74.? Still not worth the fees for dumping it.



B



On 27/06/2022 01:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> For many years I worked on 'windy corner' at Ascot as did most of the 
> OB sound ops. looking after Julian Wilson's in-vision set-up. It was 
> on the route to the owners and trainers bar. There was always? a Stan 
> Laurel shaped gentleman with a bowler hat looking after the access to 
> the bar. He claimed to have the 'ear' of every trainer about how their 
> horse would perform in the next race. Hot tips ensued and I never won 
> a penny! I think my wife with a pin was a better tipper! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 27/06/2022 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>> Many years ago I happened to be working in Pres B one afternoon on 
>> horse racing when one of the production people in the studio was 
>> running a book. One of the fixtures was a four horse race and one 
>> horse had odds of 100-1. Miraculously that horse won. I?m not a 
>> gambling man as I lost too much of my pocket money in slot machines 
>> in arcades at the seaside when I was young and resolved never to bet 
>> again, a decision I?ve only gone back on a handful of times since, 
>> mainly when there?s been a sweepstake among colleagues in the studio 
>> on the National or something like that.
>> I?ve ?often wished though that I?d place a tenner or even a fiver on 
>> that horse, if nothing else but to get one over on the bookie as it?s 
>> usually them that make the money, sometimes from people who can?t 
>> afford it. I overheard one such man complaining bitterly to the man 
>> in a booking office on a rare occasion when I was working at Ascot, 
>> that the horse he had been told was ?a dead cert? hadn?t even been 
>> placed and he?d lost his money. More fool him of course, but I can?t 
>> help feeling sorry for such people as addictions of any sort are hard 
>> to quit. I detest the amount of ads for gambling there are on 
>> television, luring people in by offers of free stake money or 
>> offering tuppenny stakes to get them started,
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:52, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> When I used to work on two different iterations of LO21, doing 
>>> remote cameras on racecourses was a regular fixture for the scanner 
>>> and we had some riggers who were really into betting.
>>>
>>> Many gamblers claim to have a system, or special insight, but for 
>>> the most part it seems mythical. ?However one rigger did have a 
>>> system which seemed to make sense to me and was working in reality 
>>> over the period of a few months. ?His approach was to put a pound 
>>> each way on every horse with odds of 25:1 or greater, so long as it 
>>> was a National Hunt race with a field of no more than 12 horses. 
>>> ?His logic being that the jumps made the race a bit unpredictable. 
>>> Favourite horses might fall and the occasional outsider could fluke 
>>> it. ?With those sort of odds, you don?t need to win too often to 
>>> keep ahead of the game.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:05, Pat Heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Oh! I love that story! Straight out of Ronnie Barker?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a betting man, either, but living close to Epsom Downs, I 
>>>> did place a bet on the Derby one year - I was working on the B & W 
>>>> Minstrels in TVT, and there was a horse called The Minstrel, ridden 
>>>> by Piggott, so I ventured a fiver at rather short odds - 3:1. It 
>>>> won, so there was enough for a bottle of champagne!
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> On 26/06/2022 14:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> My favourite betting story concerns a unit manager ( Geoff Davies 
>>>>> ) who arrived on site at a dog racing track a little early. ?He 
>>>>> decided to go to a nearby garage to get a snack and when he looked 
>>>>> at the receipt, the date was 3rd March and the total came to 
>>>>> ?3.33. ?He took it as an omen and decided to put ?3 on dog no 3 in 
>>>>> the third race.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody mentioned this bet to the betting pundit for Sky and it 
>>>>> became a topic during the coverage of the doggies. When the third 
>>>>> race was on, much interest was shown in dog no 3. To the amusement 
>>>>> of all concerned, it came third.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on 
>>>>>> the same day. Had my bother and young family staying with me 
>>>>>> (from Scotland) and they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was 
>>>>>> working on The Bill at the time, and had just got a script called 
>>>>>> Party Politics. An omen. Not being a betting type, and before you 
>>>>>> could do everything online, I decided to find a betting shop 
>>>>>> between the station and Putney tow path. No such luck, so no bet. 
>>>>>> These days, you'd pass a betting shop every few yards on every 
>>>>>> high street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due 
>>>>>>> to be on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour 
>>>>>>> cameras in the UK to do both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal 
>>>>>>> the Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that 
>>>>>>>> and allocated trucks accordingly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon 
>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I 
>>>>>>>> can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB 
>>>>>>>> compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 
>>>>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Jun 27 06:05:52 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:05:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
Message-ID: <9406D5E2E11443E792B8FB50EE2AC236@Gigabyte>

Despite all the pro and con comments about this event, it was amazing  how much coverage was done. Shame no accurate times as never quite sure who was on next or exactly when.
Just don?t think of the number of Radio Mics and channels, multicore boxes, cameras ? and especially radiocams - production galleries, lights and controls, video projection systems and so on.
And of course lets not forget how many super clever folks making it all work.
I know some of it wasn?t my BBC specialisation even in OBs but mics appear integrated with all sorts of instruments (and people).
Shows that there is hope for what we all did in years gone by.

It was amazing with some of those ?swooping? camera shots across the audience ? especially in the pyramid stage. I could see several camera hoists and peds but how on earth (or in the sky) were those swooping shots done? Lots of Handhelds on stage and very few in shot ever.

It wasn?t till late I discovered that there was a ?how we did it? video on iPlayer and when I had managed to make mine work, discovered that it disappears offline tonight before I have had a good look at it. I know we are interested folks but why is iPlayer so full of old dubious stuff when this was only online for a while. And of course not possible to download and keep without considerable bodging?
Anyone got a copy saved? The way BBC does iPlayer nowadays, each show downloaded seems to consist of several thousand tiny files about 2seconds long and no way of putting them back together ever.

Nuff said ? back to sleep and wingeing.

Mike
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 06:23:36 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:23:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
In-Reply-To: <9406D5E2E11443E792B8FB50EE2AC236@Gigabyte>
References: <9406D5E2E11443E792B8FB50EE2AC236@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB06NPAdt1=2Uh_4RzA1tMXgBrsjeycHEnNeMpwnhT+waw@mail.gmail.com>

That doco was, I think, for 2021, not this year.  How they did a sort of
virtual Glasto. It's expiring tonight as it is a year old.

BR Alec

Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, 12:06 Mike Jordan via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Despite all the pro and con comments about this event, it was amazing  how
> much coverage was done. Shame no accurate times as never quite sure who was
> on next or exactly when.
> Just don?t think of the number of Radio Mics and channels, multicore
> boxes, cameras ? and especially radiocams - production galleries, lights
> and controls, video projection systems and so on.
> And of course lets not forget how many super clever folks making it all
> work.
> I know some of it wasn?t my BBC specialisation even in OBs but mics appear
> integrated with all sorts of instruments (and people).
> Shows that there is hope for what we all did in years gone by.
>
> It was amazing with some of those ?swooping? camera shots across the
> audience ? especially in the pyramid stage. I could see several camera
> hoists and peds but how on earth (or in the sky) were those swooping shots
> done? Lots of Handhelds on stage and very few in shot ever.
>
> It wasn?t till late I discovered that there was a ?how we did it? video on
> iPlayer and when I had managed to make mine work, discovered that it
> disappears offline tonight before I have had a good look at it. I know we
> are interested folks but why is iPlayer so full of old dubious stuff when
> this was only online for a while. And of course not possible to download
> and keep without considerable bodging?
> Anyone got a copy saved? The way BBC does iPlayer nowadays, each show
> downloaded seems to consist of several thousand tiny files about 2seconds
> long and no way of putting them back together ever.
>
> Nuff said ? back to sleep and wingeing.
>
> Mike
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Jun 27 07:02:13 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:02:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB06NPAdt1=2Uh_4RzA1tMXgBrsjeycHEnNeMpwnhT+waw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <368EC54C0B544ED68599DED40CEC9FCB@Gigabyte>

Thanks Alec regarding the video. I hadn?t watched it all.
My other comments about the clever show are still very valid I feel!

Mike

From: Alec Bray 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 12:23 PM
To: Mike Jordan ; Tech Ops Group 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury

That doco was, I think, for 2021, not this year.  How they did a sort of virtual Glasto. It's expiring tonight as it is a year old. 

BR Alec 


Sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections...

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, 12:06 Mike Jordan via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  Despite all the pro and con comments about this event, it was amazing  how much coverage was done. Shame no accurate times as never quite sure who was on next or exactly when.
  Just don?t think of the number of Radio Mics and channels, multicore boxes, cameras ? and especially radiocams - production galleries, lights and controls, video projection systems and so on.
  And of course lets not forget how many super clever folks making it all work.
  I know some of it wasn?t my BBC specialisation even in OBs but mics appear integrated with all sorts of instruments (and people).
  Shows that there is hope for what we all did in years gone by.

  It was amazing with some of those ?swooping? camera shots across the audience ? especially in the pyramid stage. I could see several camera hoists and peds but how on earth (or in the sky) were those swooping shots done? Lots of Handhelds on stage and very few in shot ever.

  It wasn?t till late I discovered that there was a ?how we did it? video on iPlayer and when I had managed to make mine work, discovered that it disappears offline tonight before I have had a good look at it. I know we are interested folks but why is iPlayer so full of old dubious stuff when this was only online for a while. And of course not possible to download and keep without considerable bodging?
  Anyone got a copy saved? The way BBC does iPlayer nowadays, each show downloaded seems to consist of several thousand tiny files about 2seconds long and no way of putting them back together ever.

  Nuff said ? back to sleep and wingeing.

  Mike
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 27 07:31:21 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:31:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
In-Reply-To: <9406D5E2E11443E792B8FB50EE2AC236@Gigabyte>
References: <9406D5E2E11443E792B8FB50EE2AC236@Gigabyte>
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I would guess that the swooping shots were done with a Technocrane.  I?ve seen them used on festivals I?ve worked at in recent years.  It?s probably best to Google for images, but if you imagine a JimmyJib crossed with a Fisher Boom, with a bit of Simon hoist too, you?re in the right ball park.  It?s a telescopic camera boom which extends to ridiculous lengths.

As for the radio mics, digital systems squeeze huge quantities of devices onto a tiny RF spectrum. Apparently there were about 100 stages happening. Obviously most of them were small scale, but quite a few would have been using lots of radio mics and ridiculous amounts of radio communication simultaneously. 

I was intrigued to spot some backing vocalists singing into two microphones at once.  Decades ago, before microphone splitters were commonplace, you would often see the film crew's microphone taped to the lead vocal microphone, but I?m at a loss to understand why anybody needs to sing into two microphones theses days.

I thought some of the lighting effects were hugely spectacular.  It must have been quite something to see it for real, although it might not be so good for any epileptics.

Much as I like the music, I wish there were more coverage of all the peripheral stuff going on at Glastonbury too. It was good to see a Glastonbury where the weather was reasonably kind.  The crowds were clearly enjoying it and they made a big difference to the coverage.

Alan

> On 27 Jun 2022, at 12:06, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Despite all the pro and con comments about this event, it was amazing  how much coverage was done. Shame no accurate times as never quite sure who was on next or exactly when.
> Just don?t think of the number of Radio Mics and channels, multicore boxes, cameras ? and especially radiocams - production galleries, lights and controls, video projection systems and so on.
> And of course lets not forget how many super clever folks making it all work.
> I know some of it wasn?t my BBC specialisation even in OBs but mics appear integrated with all sorts of instruments (and people).
> Shows that there is hope for what we all did in years gone by.
>  
> It was amazing with some of those ?swooping? camera shots across the audience ? especially in the pyramid stage. I could see several camera hoists and peds but how on earth (or in the sky) were those swooping shots done? Lots of Handhelds on stage and very few in shot ever.
>  
> It wasn?t till late I discovered that there was a ?how we did it? video on iPlayer and when I had managed to make mine work, discovered that it disappears offline tonight before I have had a good look at it. I know we are interested folks but why is iPlayer so full of old dubious stuff when this was only online for a while. And of course not possible to download and keep without considerable bodging?
> Anyone got a copy saved? The way BBC does iPlayer nowadays, each show downloaded seems to consist of several thousand tiny files about 2seconds long and no way of putting them back together ever.
>  
> Nuff said ? back to sleep and wingeing.
>  
> Mike
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Mon Jun 27 07:44:27 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:44:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
In-Reply-To: <9406D5E2E11443E792B8FB50EE2AC236@Gigabyte>
References: <9406D5E2E11443E792B8FB50EE2AC236@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <9374066C9B4341BAAFC38052DF89B5E4@NewOffice>

There is a program called ?get-iPlayer? which is not too fiddly to use. I 
use it mainly for Radio 4 drama, but also works for video.
Here is a link
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer
It opens in Command prompt, then open iPlayer in a browser window and find 
the program that you want to download. Copy the URL.
This is pasted into the Command window with a header telling it what you 
want it to do.
For example 
 ?get_iplayer --pid=https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018sfr/glastonbury-paul-mccartney? 
will download Paul McCartney?s set.
There are many other commands to find a program, or set up the folder to 
record into. Here is a Youtube tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2GEododxjQ


Doug





From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 12:05 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury

Despite all the pro and con comments about this event, it was amazing  how 
much coverage was done. Shame no accurate times as never quite sure who was 
on next or exactly when.
Just don?t think of the number of Radio Mics and channels, multicore boxes, 
cameras ? and especially radiocams - production galleries, lights and 
controls, video projection systems and so on.
And of course lets not forget how many super clever folks making it all 
work.
I know some of it wasn?t my BBC specialisation even in OBs but mics appear 
integrated with all sorts of instruments (and people).
Shows that there is hope for what we all did in years gone by.

It was amazing with some of those ?swooping? camera shots across the 
audience ? especially in the pyramid stage. I could see several camera 
hoists and peds but how on earth (or in the sky) were those swooping shots 
done? Lots of Handhelds on stage and very few in shot ever.

It wasn?t till late I discovered that there was a ?how we did it? video on 
iPlayer and when I had managed to make mine work, discovered that it 
disappears offline tonight before I have had a good look at it. I know we 
are interested folks but why is iPlayer so full of old dubious stuff when 
this was only online for a while. And of course not possible to download and 
keep without considerable bodging?
Anyone got a copy saved? The way BBC does iPlayer nowadays, each show 
downloaded seems to consist of several thousand tiny files about 2seconds 
long and no way of putting them back together ever.

Nuff said ? back to sleep and wingeing.

Mike


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From doug at puddifoot.me  Mon Jun 27 08:20:04 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:20:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
Message-ID: <A37C5BECDC6B40EC87205795FE3A7DB4@NewOffice>

There is a program called ?get-iPlayer? which is not too fiddly to use. I 
use it mainly for Radio 4 drama, but also works for video.
Here is a link
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer
It opens in Command prompt, then open iPlayer in a browser window and find 
the program that you want to download. Copy the URL.
This is pasted into the Command window with a header telling it what you 
want it to do.
For example 
 ?get_iplayer --pid=https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018sfr/glastonbury-paul-mccartney? 
will download Paul McCartney?s set.
There are many other commands to find a program, or set up the folder to 
record into. Here is a Youtube tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2GEododxjQ


Doug 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 09:19:00 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:19:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
In-Reply-To: <368EC54C0B544ED68599DED40CEC9FCB@Gigabyte>
References: <9406D5E2E11443E792B8FB50EE2AC236@Gigabyte>
	<CAA0HHB06NPAdt1=2Uh_4RzA1tMXgBrsjeycHEnNeMpwnhT+waw@mail.gmail.com>
	<368EC54C0B544ED68599DED40CEC9FCB@Gigabyte>
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Hi all,

I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if 
anyone would like a copy,

Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a 
BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier 
("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).? Just get lots of error messages ...

Best regards, Alec

====================


C:\Users\alecb>iplay m000xhdt
get_iplayer 3.20.0-MSWin32, Copyright (C) 2008-2010 Phil Lewis
 ? This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details use 
--warranty.
 ? This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under 
certain
 ? conditions; use --conditions for details.


Episodes:
Glastonbury - 2021, Live at Worthy Farm: Backstage, BBC Music, m000xhdt
INFO: 1 total programmes


ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): 
https://vod-hls-uk-live.akamaized.net/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_hd/d4ffa8-m000xhdr/vf_m000xhdr_0257ffc7-7421-4408-8f35-6f884ff7fa07.ism.hlsv2.ism/vf_m000xhdr_0257ffc7-7421-4408-8f35-6f884ff7fa07.ism.hlsv2.m3u8?__gda__=1656350078_f65642b4ca6661be6a75525197464d2b
ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden
ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful

ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): 
https://matchmaker.live.bidi.net.uk/vod-hls-uk-live/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_hd/d4ffa8-m000xhdr/vf_m000xhdr_0257ffc7-7421-4408-8f35-6f884ff7fa07.ism.hlsv2.ism/vf_m000xhdr_0257ffc7-7421-4408-8f35-6f884ff7fa07.ism.hlsv2.m3u8?at=aG6geUz4d4a5c7ee506dd8f992471b083d0858de067098dc5e26c06900380
ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden
ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful

ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): 
http://vod-hls-uk-live.akamaized.net/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_hd/d4ffa8-m000xhdr/vf_m000xhdr_0257ffc7-7421-4408-8f35-6f884ff7fa07.ism/vf_m000xhdr_0257ffc7-7421-4408-8f35-6f884ff7fa07.m3u8?__gda__=1656350080_506c9e0e5243980aee39a4ff54426b39
ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden
ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful

ERROR: Failed to download URL (3/3): 
http://matchmaker.live.bidi.net.uk/vod-hls-uk-live/usp/auth/vod/piff_abr_full_hd/d4ffa8-m000xhdr/vf_m000xhdr_0257ffc7-7421-4408-8f35-6f884ff7fa07.ism/vf_m000xhdr_0257ffc7-7421-4408-8f35-6f884ff7fa07.m3u8?at=kvCeeG5Ha10fafb08403e8434396ec5aa7c36ce7708d784b5e26c06ae8800
ERROR: Response: 403 Forbidden
ERROR: Ignore this error if programme download is successful
WARNING: A UK TV licence is required to access BBC iPlayer TV content 
legally
INFO: Downloading tv: 'Glastonbury: 2021 - Live at Worthy Farm: 
Backstage (m000xhdt) [original]'
INFO: Downloaded: 57.03 MB (00:59:50) @ 2.11 Mb/s (dvfhd1/ak) [audio]
INFO: Downloaded: 593.14 MB (00:16:00) @ 6.43 Mb/s (dvfhd1/ak) [video]

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 27 09:42:06 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:42:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Betting & Sweeps
Message-ID: <6396aab3-7803-fd2b-0794-f506a36069bb@amps.net>

While working on'Fiddler on the Roof' Location for 5 months in 
Yugoslavia (then)

I organised the following:

There was a sweep running for goals scored by English footie teams, 
everyone drew a team, and deposited 10 dinar a week (about ?1), the 
winner at the end being the highest scoring team. I would record the 
Saturday evening results off BBC World Service from my travelling radio 
onto a Nagra and play them back in the bar that same night!
(I believe the Production Manager copped the jackpot!)

Pat




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From techtone at protonmail.com  Mon Jun 27 14:16:44 2022
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 19:16:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Betting on horses
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I was working on the 'Young Musician of the Year' for two weeks out of a Acton scanner in Oxford Road Manchester, just down the road from the studios. I think it was the middle weekend that the Grand National was being run, and someone (possibly the riggers!) organised a sweepstake, and the horses were allocated at random to all who took part. I WON! But then had to buy drinks for all participants. I've never lost so much money by winning before!

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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On Monday, June 27th, 2022 at 01:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> For many years I worked on 'windy corner' at Ascot as did most of the OB sound ops. looking after Julian Wilson's in-vision set-up. It was on the route to the owners and trainers bar. There was always a Stan Laurel shaped gentleman with a bowler hat looking after the access to the bar. He claimed to have the 'ear' of every trainer about how their horse would perform in the next race. Hot tips ensued and I never won a penny! I think my wife with a pin was a better tipper! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 27/06/2022 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> Many years ago I happened to be working in Pres B one afternoon on horse racing when one of the production people in the studio was running a book. One of the fixtures was a four horse race and one horse had odds of 100-1. Miraculously that horse won. I?m not a gambling man as I lost too much of my pocket money in slot machines in arcades at the seaside when I was young and resolved never to bet again, a decision I?ve only gone back on a handful of times since, mainly when there?s been a sweepstake among colleagues in the studio on the National or something like that.
>> I?ve often wished though that I?d place a tenner or even a fiver on that horse, if nothing else but to get one over on the bookie as it?s usually them that make the money, sometimes from people who can?t afford it. I overheard one such man complaining bitterly to the man in a booking office on a rare occasion when I was working at Ascot, that the horse he had been told was ?a dead cert? hadn?t even been placed and he?d lost his money. More fool him of course, but I can?t help feeling sorry for such people as addictions of any sort are hard to quit. I detest the amount of ads for gambling there are on television, luring people in by offers of free stake money or offering tuppenny stakes to get them started,
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:52, Alan Taylor via Tech1 [<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk) wrote:
>>
>>> ?
>>> When I used to work on two different iterations of LO21, doing remote cameras on racecourses was a regular fixture for the scanner and we had some riggers who were really into betting.
>>>
>>> Many gamblers claim to have a system, or special insight, but for the most part it seems mythical. However one rigger did have a system which seemed to make sense to me and was working in reality over the period of a few months. His approach was to put a pound each way on every horse with odds of 25:1 or greater, so long as it was a National Hunt race with a field of no more than 12 horses. His logic being that the jumps made the race a bit unpredictable. Favourite horses might fall and the occasional outsider could fluke it. With those sort of odds, you don?t need to win too often to keep ahead of the game.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 15:05, Pat Heigham [<pat.heigham at amps.net>](mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net) wrote:
>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Oh! I love that story! Straight out of Ronnie Barker?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a betting man, either, but living close to Epsom Downs, I did place a bet on the Derby one year - I was working on the B & W Minstrels in TVT, and there was a horse called The Minstrel, ridden by Piggott, so I ventured a fiver at rather short odds - 3:1. It won, so there was enough for a bottle of champagne!
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> On 26/06/2022 14:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My favourite betting story concerns a unit manager ( Geoff Davies ) who arrived on site at a dog racing track a little early. He decided to go to a nearby garage to get a snack and when he looked at the receipt, the date was 3rd March and the total came to ?3.33. He took it as an omen and decided to put ?3 on dog no 3 in the third race.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody mentioned this bet to the betting pundit for Sky and it became a topic during the coverage of the doggies. When the third race was on, much interest was shown in dog no 3. To the amusement of all concerned, it came third.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 [<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got a story about that. When the National and Boat race were on the same day. Had my bother and young family staying with me (from Scotland) and they wanted to see the Boat Race live. I was working on The Bill at the time, and had just got a script called Party Politics. An omen. Not being a betting type, and before you could do everything online, I decided to find a betting shop between the station and Putney tow path. No such luck, so no bet. These days, you'd pass a betting shop every few yards on every high street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/06/2022 11:49, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back in the day, the Grand National and the Boat Race were due to be on the same Saturday, and there were not enough colour cameras in the UK to do both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think in the end Aintree was moved, as the Thames, being tidal the Boat Race couldn't easily be re-scheduled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 11:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I?m pretty certain that the OB planners have thought of that and allocated trucks accordingly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apart from anything else, if you turned up at Wimbledon tomorrow morning with a huge OB truck fresh from Glastonbury, I can?t imagine how you would be able to get it into the OB compound, let along rig everything in time for the opening matches.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26 Jun 2022, at 10:36, Pat Heigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Staying with friends near Glastonbury this weekend, I wondered about the OB facilities, given that the Festival runs until this Sun evening,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and Wimbledon starts tomorrow, Mon. Are there enough OB units to cover?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25/06/2022 18:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just watched Robert Plant and Alison Krauss on iPlayer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At 73 and 50, they and their band really show how it should be done to the younger generation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All style, skill and musicality, as well as being beyond cool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Give it a try, it will improve your evening.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>>>>>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>>>>>>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Jun 28 04:16:16 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 10:16:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!

Mike

From: Alec Bray 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
To: Mike Jordan ; Tech Ops Group 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury

Hi all,

I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,

Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...


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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 28 04:23:00 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 10:23:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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If you look for satellite views of Worthy Farm, you can easily see the framework of the pyramid stage. The last time I looked, the Apple Maps satellite view must have been taken shortly after a festival because the fields bore the scars of the festival.

Just out of interest, has anybody ever spotted OB scanners at any venue or event on satellite imagery?  They show up very clearly at the various unit bases. 

Alan

> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:16, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
> I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
> Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
> I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: Alec Bray
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
> To: Mike Jordan ; Tech Ops Group
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,
> 
> Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...
> 
> Best regards, Alec
> 
>  
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Jun 28 04:43:04 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 10:43:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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There appears to be a scanner and hoist parked up at Salisbury racecourse, a quick hunt round various Premier division football clubs doesn?t show anything.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> If you look for satellite views of Worthy Farm, you can easily see the framework of the pyramid stage. The last time I looked, the Apple Maps satellite view must have been taken shortly after a festival because the fields bore the scars of the festival.
> 
> Just out of interest, has anybody ever spotted OB scanners at any venue or event on satellite imagery?  They show up very clearly at the various unit bases. 
> 
> Alan
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:16, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
>> I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
>> Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
>> I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!
>>  
>> Mike
>>  
>> From: Alec Bray
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
>> To: Mike Jordan ; Tech Ops Group
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,
>> 
>> Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...
>> 
>> Best regards, Alec
>> 
>>  
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 28 05:46:16 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 11:46:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Well spotted.  I would guess that it?s a Racetech scanner and hoist vehicle. The colouring and shape are consistent with their fleet. You can see it in much more detail and zoom around it on Google Earth, but there are a lot of blurry bits in the image.

I?ve never worked at that racecourse, but there doesn?t seem to be any scaffold towers for cameras alongside the track, which I would have expected if a normal broadcast OB was imminent.  I assume it?s before the racing as everywhere is pristine and the shadows are long.  After the event, the scanner would normally drive back to base and there would be rubbish all over the public areas. 

Meanwhile, back at Glasto, here?s the Google Earth shot of the Pyramid Stage taken in April 2020, when it was all fields round there.

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> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:43, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?There appears to be a scanner and hoist parked up at Salisbury racecourse, a quick hunt round various Premier division football clubs doesn?t show anything.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> If you look for satellite views of Worthy Farm, you can easily see the framework of the pyramid stage. The last time I looked, the Apple Maps satellite view must have been taken shortly after a festival because the fields bore the scars of the festival.
>> 
>> Just out of interest, has anybody ever spotted OB scanners at any venue or event on satellite imagery?  They show up very clearly at the various unit bases. 
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>>>> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:16, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
>>> I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
>>> Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
>>> I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> From: Alec Bray
>>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
>>> To: Mike Jordan ; Tech Ops Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,
>>> 
>>> Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Alec
>>> 
>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 28 06:06:43 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 12:06:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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I meant to add that the only big event I?ve spotted actually in progress on Google Earth is what I assume to be the Goodwood Revival meeting which takes place in September. I might well have been working there on the day that pictures was taken, but I?ve long since deleted my call sheet and can?t remember exactly where the scanners parked.  If I remember right, the main tech compound was in a wooded area, but I haven?t picked it out.

Those who go to motor racing events will have noticed that the team vehicles look very much like scanners. Normally it?s easy to pick out a huge scanner parked up at a venue, but at somewhere like Donnington Park, the scanners park amongst those vehicles.  The first time I worked there, it took a while to find the trucks as the sketch map was wrong, which didn?t help.

Alan


> On 28 Jun 2022, at 11:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Well spotted.  I would guess that it?s a Racetech scanner and hoist vehicle. The colouring and shape are consistent with their fleet. You can see it in much more detail and zoom around it on Google Earth, but there are a lot of blurry bits in the image.
> 
> I?ve never worked at that racecourse, but there doesn?t seem to be any scaffold towers for cameras alongside the track, which I would have expected if a normal broadcast OB was imminent.  I assume it?s before the racing as everywhere is pristine and the shadows are long.  After the event, the scanner would normally drive back to base and there would be rubbish all over the public areas. 
> 
> Meanwhile, back at Glasto, here?s the Google Earth shot of the Pyramid Stage taken in April 2020, when it was all fields round there.
> 
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> 
> Alan
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:43, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?There appears to be a scanner and hoist parked up at Salisbury racecourse, a quick hunt round various Premier division football clubs doesn?t show anything.
>> 
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you look for satellite views of Worthy Farm, you can easily see the framework of the pyramid stage. The last time I looked, the Apple Maps satellite view must have been taken shortly after a festival because the fields bore the scars of the festival.
>>> 
>>> Just out of interest, has anybody ever spotted OB scanners at any venue or event on satellite imagery?  They show up very clearly at the various unit bases. 
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>>>> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:16, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
>>>> I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
>>>> Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
>>>> I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> From: Alec Bray
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
>>>> To: Mike Jordan ; Tech Ops Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards, Alec
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jun 28 06:56:22 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 11:56:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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You can see the structure clearly on Google Earth. Drag the street view icon onto the site and you will find a number of blue dots. Each dot is a 360 degree picture of events, inside the empty frame, etc.
No trucks to be seen at Wimbledon, but that might be because it usually rains when they are there!
However, there is a dot on the media roof where you can see a Sound bod wearing a Wimbledon shirt and in monkey-like pose! Anybody recognise him? I?m guessing that was in the run-up to Wimbledon, because in that pic there are cables already in, and rain covers on the adjacent courts (13 and 14 if I remember right). Oh, and the roof of a truck just visible if you pan around.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
If you look for satellite views of Worthy Farm, you can easily see the framework of the pyramid stage. The last time I looked, the Apple Maps satellite view must have been taken shortly after a festival because the fields bore the scars of the festival.

Just out of interest, has anybody ever spotted OB scanners at any venue or event on satellite imagery?  They show up very clearly at the various unit bases.

Alan

On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:16, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!

Mike

From: Alec Bray<mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
To: Mike Jordan<mailto:mikej at bmanor.co.uk> ; Tech Ops Group<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury


Hi all,

I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,

Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...

Best regards, Alec



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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 28 07:08:01 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 13:08:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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My version of Google Earth shows the date of the Wimbledon imagery as April, which is far too soon for tech vehicles to be there.  You wouldn?t see most of them anyway because the tech vehicles park in an underground parking area. Similar underground parking arrangements are found at some modern purpose built football stadia.

Alan

> On 28 Jun 2022, at 12:56, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? You can see the structure clearly on Google Earth. Drag the street view icon onto the site and you will find a number of blue dots. Each dot is a 360 degree picture of events, inside the empty frame, etc.
> No trucks to be seen at Wimbledon, but that might be because it usually rains when they are there! 
> However, there is a dot on the media roof where you can see a Sound bod wearing a Wimbledon shirt and in monkey-like pose! Anybody recognise him? I?m guessing that was in the run-up to Wimbledon, because in that pic there are cables already in, and rain covers on the adjacent courts (13 and 14 if I remember right). Oh, and the roof of a truck just visible if you pan around.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> If you look for satellite views of Worthy Farm, you can easily see the framework of the pyramid stage. The last time I looked, the Apple Maps satellite view must have been taken shortly after a festival because the fields bore the scars of the festival.
>> 
>> Just out of interest, has anybody ever spotted OB scanners at any venue or event on satellite imagery?  They show up very clearly at the various unit bases. 
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:16, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
>>> I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
>>> Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
>>> I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!
>>>  
>>> Mike
>>>  
>>> From: Alec Bray
>>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
>>> To: Mike Jordan ; Tech Ops Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,
>>> 
>>> Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...
>>> 
>>> Best regards, Alec
>>> 
>>>  
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jun 28 07:16:57 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 12:16:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Actually, further to that, if you click on the name Alessandro Mattiolo at bottom left, you?ll find he?s a DOP, and he has another pic presumably of his presenter, taken after dark, lit by the LED light panel that?s on the table in the first pic.
Note the sinister black rain clouds in the night picture!
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 28 Jun 2022, at 12:56, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:

? You can see the structure clearly on Google Earth. Drag the street view icon onto the site and you will find a number of blue dots. Each dot is a 360 degree picture of events, inside the empty frame, etc.
No trucks to be seen at Wimbledon, but that might be because it usually rains when they are there!
However, there is a dot on the media roof where you can see a Sound bod wearing a Wimbledon shirt and in monkey-like pose! Anybody recognise him? I?m guessing that was in the run-up to Wimbledon, because in that pic there are cables already in, and rain covers on the adjacent courts (13 and 14 if I remember right). Oh, and the roof of a truck just visible if you pan around.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
If you look for satellite views of Worthy Farm, you can easily see the framework of the pyramid stage. The last time I looked, the Apple Maps satellite view must have been taken shortly after a festival because the fields bore the scars of the festival.

Just out of interest, has anybody ever spotted OB scanners at any venue or event on satellite imagery?  They show up very clearly at the various unit bases.

Alan

On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:16, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!

Mike

From: Alec Bray<mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
To: Mike Jordan<mailto:mikej at bmanor.co.uk> ; Tech Ops Group<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury


Hi all,

I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,

Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...

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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jun 28 07:37:36 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 12:37:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Glastonbury
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Agreed about April (2020). Alessandro?s photo is dated July 2016. I think my last Wimbledon was 2013, the year Prisma lost the down-bidding battle for the NHK contract.
Cheers,
N.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 28 Jun 2022, at 13:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
My version of Google Earth shows the date of the Wimbledon imagery as April, which is far too soon for tech vehicles to be there.  You wouldn?t see most of them anyway because the tech vehicles park in an underground parking area. Similar underground parking arrangements are found at some modern purpose built football stadia.

Alan

On 28 Jun 2022, at 12:56, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? You can see the structure clearly on Google Earth. Drag the street view icon onto the site and you will find a number of blue dots. Each dot is a 360 degree picture of events, inside the empty frame, etc.
No trucks to be seen at Wimbledon, but that might be because it usually rains when they are there!
However, there is a dot on the media roof where you can see a Sound bod wearing a Wimbledon shirt and in monkey-like pose! Anybody recognise him? I?m guessing that was in the run-up to Wimbledon, because in that pic there are cables already in, and rain covers on the adjacent courts (13 and 14 if I remember right). Oh, and the roof of a truck just visible if you pan around.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
If you look for satellite views of Worthy Farm, you can easily see the framework of the pyramid stage. The last time I looked, the Apple Maps satellite view must have been taken shortly after a festival because the fields bore the scars of the festival.

Just out of interest, has anybody ever spotted OB scanners at any venue or event on satellite imagery?  They show up very clearly at the various unit bases.

Alan

On 28 Jun 2022, at 10:16, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Thanks Alec for offer of recording. I actually watched the iPlayer version last night and hadn?t realised it was a show about the fake G last year!
I bet they didn?t have to cope with quite so many tech bits as a full size show.
Nothing much of actual interest but I spotted the Arena mobile truck in one quick shot ? ah that is another story!
I guess they leave the pyramid stage metalwork there over time. Probably far easier to get the canvas cover over it than the difficulty we had getting the roof over a double gazebo tent we had for our street party a while ago!

Mike

From: Alec Bray<mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 3:19 PM
To: Mike Jordan<mailto:mikej at bmanor.co.uk> ; Tech Ops Group<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Glastonbury


Hi all,

I have captured the video of the virtual Glastonbury from iPlayer, if anyone would like a copy,

Yes, it is done with get_iplayer (as per Doug Puddifoot), but using a BAT script to invoke it, and just using the episode identifier ("m0018sfr" in Doug's example).  Just get lots of error messages ...

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Tue Jun 28 12:45:34 2022
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 18:45:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Betting
Message-ID: <063AD514-246A-4F60-856C-861EA7DD063D@vincent68.plus.com>


Doing Gen Game with Bruce he did an identical Warm Up each week. Part of it was to find an old lady with a funny name [ Gladys, Winnie, Ada, Iris [anyone else and we can have a funeral]].
We did a sweepstake. ?1 in and you?d draw a name from all the likely names.
Winner would get about 50 quid.
All went well and Bruce even started to include it. That was a result in itself.
Then we noticed scriptwriters Wally and Gary seemed to win more than most. Apparently they would accost the audience as they came in to plant a willing old dear who would claim she was called the name they had drawn!
That was the end of that.
Happy days!

John V
Sent from my iPad


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 04:05:26 2022
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:05:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
Message-ID: <2b096001-7006-cf81-c76d-68b090cf9527@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Just reviewing Alan's comments about Glasto and the use of a Technocrane....



Time and technology marches on - some 60 odd years, but the concepts 
were ever there.? Technocranes don't have to cope with the 4.5 inch IO 
cameras!? Look at that diddy camera!!


Perhaps we should regard the Peregrine as the BBC/Vinten equivalent of 
Leonardo's helicopter....

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 29 04:53:47 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:53:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
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 I assumed people were a little more familiar with Technocranes, so only mentioned it almost in passing.

Tecchnocrane seems to be a generic term and there are a number of different types. What I think of as the standard one will lift a camera about fifty feet in the air and will fully extend in about 5-6 seconds. A massive counterbalance is driven up and down at the other end.  The camera itself is controlled by a hot head.

I?ve worked in a studio with one which was much smaller, but the hot head was controlled by a targeting computer, which once you specify who to follow and what framing you want, will frame and focus automatically while the operator concentrates on swinging the crane.  It was uncannily effective, even if you move the jib differently from the last take. 

At the other end of the scale I?ve been told about hundred foot versions, but have never seen one in the flesh. I wouldn?t be surprised if they keep making bigger ones, just as Simon Hoists have gone from pretty high, then ridiculously high and now unfeasibly high.

Some have booms made from open tubular metal, rather like trussing, while others have rectangular section telescoping mechanisms like a Simon Hoist.

They don?t have to be kept on a static base, they are often mounted on tracks. Movies sometimes use a Technocrane mounted in a vehicle and driven at comparatively high speeds. 

There are a lot of videos online showcasing different types of Technocranes. One which was shot at the Panavision depot shows familiar landmarks for  those who travel along the A40 near Greenford.

Alan


> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:06, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi All,
> 
> Just reviewing Alan's comments about Glasto and the use of a Technocrane....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Time and technology marches on - some 60 odd years, but the concepts were ever there.  Technocranes don't have to cope with the 4.5 inch IO cameras!  Look at that diddy camera!!
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps we should regard the Peregrine as the BBC/Vinten equivalent of Leonardo's helicopter....
> 
> -- 
> =======
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Wed Jun 29 05:01:24 2022
From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:01:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
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Here?s the products page from the SuperTechno site:

https://www.supertechno.com/telescopic-camera-cranes <https://www.supertechno.com/telescopic-camera-cranes>

Hugh

> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>  I assumed people were a little more familiar with Technocranes, so only mentioned it almost in passing.
> 
> Tecchnocrane seems to be a generic term and there are a number of different types. What I think of as the standard one will lift a camera about fifty feet in the air and will fully extend in about 5-6 seconds. A massive counterbalance is driven up and down at the other end.  The camera itself is controlled by a hot head.
> 
> I?ve worked in a studio with one which was much smaller, but the hot head was controlled by a targeting computer, which once you specify who to follow and what framing you want, will frame and focus automatically while the operator concentrates on swinging the crane.  It was uncannily effective, even if you move the jib differently from the last take. 
> 
> At the other end of the scale I?ve been told about hundred foot versions, but have never seen one in the flesh. I wouldn?t be surprised if they keep making bigger ones, just as Simon Hoists have gone from pretty high, then ridiculously high and now unfeasibly high.
> 
> Some have booms made from open tubular metal, rather like trussing, while others have rectangular section telescoping mechanisms like a Simon Hoist.
> 
> They don?t have to be kept on a static base, they are often mounted on tracks. Movies sometimes use a Technocrane mounted in a vehicle and driven at comparatively high speeds. 
> 
> There are a lot of videos online showcasing different types of Technocranes. One which was shot at the Panavision depot shows familiar landmarks for  those who travel along the A40 near Greenford.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:06, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Just reviewing Alan's comments about Glasto and the use of a Technocrane....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <fmTrLAPBdrt2H2uS.png>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Time and technology marches on - some 60 odd years, but the concepts were ever there.  Technocranes don't have to cope with the 4.5 inch IO cameras!  Look at that diddy camera!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Perhaps we should regard the Peregrine as the BBC/Vinten equivalent of Leonardo's helicopter....
>> 
>> -- 
>> =======
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 06:19:43 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:19:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Betting
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Not only was Bruce?s warm up routine the same from week to week but it was more or less from series to series as I discovered when he was brought back after Larry Grayson and Isla St Clair did it. I could almost parrot it as he went along but due to his professionalism it sounded fresh every time. I remember how he liked to find a lady with an old fashioned name, an Elsie or a Majorie and would bounce back and forth to her with an ?alright Elsie?? during his routine, or pretend he had to explain a joke to her because she hadn?t caught on. They knew it was in fun and loved it.
Was the Wally, Wally Mardell? If so I remember him doing the warm up on Going For Gold at Elstree and his joke about having run over a cat on the way there and knocking at a door nearby to enquire if it was theirs. I?m sure some of you will have heard it but it?s a visual gag involving face pulling and doesn?t tell well in print.
As John says, they were happy days.
Geoff

> On 28 Jun 2022, at 18:46, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Doing Gen Game with Bruce he did an identical Warm Up each week. Part of it was to find an old lady with a funny name [ Gladys, Winnie, Ada, Iris [anyone else and we can have a funeral]].
> We did a sweepstake. ?1 in and you?d draw a name from all the likely names.
> Winner would get about 50 quid.
> All went well and Bruce even started to include it. That was a result in itself.
> Then we noticed scriptwriters Wally and Gary seemed to win more than most. Apparently they would accost the audience as they came in to plant a willing old dear who would claim she was called the name they had drawn!
> That was the end of that.
> Happy days!
> 
> John V
> Sent from my iPad
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 06:37:33 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:37:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
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Message-ID: <f44942de-8ebb-3ae6-7759-20d3debe30ef@ntlworld.com>

And, of course, there was BoomCam - 
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/06/boomcam/

B



On 29/06/2022 10:05, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just reviewing Alan's comments about Glasto and the use of a 
> Technocrane....
>
>
>
> Time and technology marches on - some 60 odd years, but the concepts 
> were ever there.? Technocranes don't have to cope with the 4.5 inch IO 
> cameras!? Look at that diddy camera!!
>
>
> Perhaps we should regard the Peregrine as the BBC/Vinten equivalent of 
> Leonardo's helicopter....
>
> -- 
> =======
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 06:44:08 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:44:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
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Message-ID: <4129c807-2e94-9d39-9b7b-a58e424e0163@gmail.com>

And, whilst hunting for a non-swf copy of Boomcam, I happened across a 
whole DVD full of stills from Mike Cotton, including this likely lad and 
future ace cameraman



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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Jun 29 07:17:46 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 13:17:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
In-Reply-To: <8F7107E3-98E5-492F-87FD-B59E5E30DCA0@talktalk.net>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Jun 29 08:06:26 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:06:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
In-Reply-To: <msc0ngikiimh2dbdsmsmopb6.1656505066290@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <msc0ngikiimh2dbdsmsmopb6.1656505066290@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <fa9154d8-61e8-cd82-226e-189daadc47f8@davesound.co.uk>

Won't be long 'till drones take over from them.?

On 29/06/2022 13:17, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I suppose it depends where you are looking from as to if Technocranes 
> are new technology. They have been around for more than 35 years,? 
> which is almost as long as most careers! They were in use at BBC TVC 
> in mid or late 80s alongside the Nike and Mole.
> It was pre ccd cameras, so would have a ike 79D on it to try and match 
> with the Link 125s and 110's
>
> Paul
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979 <tel:07802243979>
>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Sent:* 29 June 2022 11:01
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Reply to:* hughsnape at talktalk.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
>
>
> Here?s the products page from the SuperTechno site:
>
> https://www.supertechno.com/telescopic-camera-cranes
>
> Hugh
>
>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?I assumed people were a little more familiar with Technocranes, so 
>> only mentioned it almost in passing.
>>
>> Tecchnocrane seems to be a generic term and there are a number of 
>> different types. What I think of as the standard one will lift a 
>> camera about fifty feet in the air and will fully extend in about 5-6 
>> seconds. A massive counterbalance is driven up and down at the other 
>> end. ?The camera itself is controlled by a hot head.
>>
>> I?ve worked in a studio with one which was much smaller, but the hot 
>> head was controlled by a targeting computer, which once you specify 
>> who to follow and what framing you want, will frame and focus 
>> automatically while the operator concentrates on swinging the crane. 
>> ?It was uncannily effective, even if you move the jib differently 
>> from the last take.
>>
>> At the other end of the scale I?ve been told about hundred foot 
>> versions, but have never seen one in the flesh. I wouldn?t be 
>> surprised if they keep making bigger ones, just as Simon Hoists have 
>> gone from pretty high, then ridiculously high and now unfeasibly high.
>>
>> Some have booms made from open tubular metal, rather like trussing, 
>> while others have rectangular section telescoping mechanisms like a 
>> Simon Hoist.
>>
>> They don?t have to be kept on a static base, they are often mounted 
>> on tracks. Movies sometimes use a Technocrane mounted in a vehicle 
>> and driven at comparatively high speeds.
>>
>> There are a lot of videos online showcasing different types of 
>> Technocranes. One which was shot at the Panavision depot shows 
>> familiar landmarks for ?those who travel along the A40 near Greenford.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:06, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Just reviewing Alan's comments about Glasto and the use of a 
>>> Technocrane....
>>>
>>>
>>> <fmTrLAPBdrt2H2uS.png <http://fmTrLAPBdrt2H2uS.png>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Time and technology marches on - some 60 odd years, but the concepts 
>>> were ever there. Technocranes don't have to cope with the 4.5 inch 
>>> IO cameras!? Look at that diddy camera!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should regard the Peregrine as the BBC/Vinten equivalent 
>>> of Leonardo's helicopter....
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> =======
>>>
>>> Alec Bray
>>>
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> Mob:07789 561 346  <tel:07789561346>
>>> Tel:0118 981 7502  <tel:01189817502>
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jun 29 08:27:24 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:27:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
In-Reply-To: <fa9154d8-61e8-cd82-226e-189daadc47f8@davesound.co.uk>
References: <msc0ngikiimh2dbdsmsmopb6.1656505066290@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<fa9154d8-61e8-cd82-226e-189daadc47f8@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8FD5F55B-AEC0-4103-BA73-4FBC4728826C@icloud.com>

Not over crowds
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 29 Jun 2022, at 14:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Won't be long 'till drones take over from them.?
> 
> On 29/06/2022 13:17, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> I suppose it depends where you are looking from as to if Technocranes are new technology. They have been around for more than 35 years,  which is almost as long as most careers! They were in use at BBC TVC in mid or late 80s alongside the Nike and Mole. 
>> It was pre ccd cameras, so would have a ike 79D on it to try and match with the Link 125s and 110's
>> Paul 
>> 
>>  
>> Paul Thackray
>> 
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> 
>> 07802 243979
>> 
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>> 
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>> 
>> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>> 
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>> 
>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: 29 June 2022 11:01
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Reply to: hughsnape at talktalk.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
>> 
>> Here?s the products page from the SuperTechno site:
>> 
>> https://www.supertechno.com/telescopic-camera-cranes
>> 
>> Hugh
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I assumed people were a little more familiar with Technocranes, so only mentioned it almost in passing.
>>> 
>>> Tecchnocrane seems to be a generic term and there are a number of different types. What I think of as the standard one will lift a camera about fifty feet in the air and will fully extend in about 5-6 seconds. A massive counterbalance is driven up and down at the other end.  The camera itself is controlled by a hot head.
>>> 
>>> I?ve worked in a studio with one which was much smaller, but the hot head was controlled by a targeting computer, which once you specify who to follow and what framing you want, will frame and focus automatically while the operator concentrates on swinging the crane.  It was uncannily effective, even if you move the jib differently from the last take. 
>>> 
>>> At the other end of the scale I?ve been told about hundred foot versions, but have never seen one in the flesh. I wouldn?t be surprised if they keep making bigger ones, just as Simon Hoists have gone from pretty high, then ridiculously high and now unfeasibly high.
>>> 
>>> Some have booms made from open tubular metal, rather like trussing, while others have rectangular section telescoping mechanisms like a Simon Hoist.
>>> 
>>> They don?t have to be kept on a static base, they are often mounted on tracks. Movies sometimes use a Technocrane mounted in a vehicle and driven at comparatively high speeds. 
>>> 
>>> There are a lot of videos online showcasing different types of Technocranes. One which was shot at the Panavision depot shows familiar landmarks for  those who travel along the A40 near Greenford.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:06, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> Just reviewing Alan's comments about Glasto and the use of a Technocrane....
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <fmTrLAPBdrt2H2uS.png>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Time and technology marches on - some 60 odd years, but the concepts were ever there.  Technocranes don't have to cope with the 4.5 inch IO cameras!  Look at that diddy camera!!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps we should regard the Peregrine as the BBC/Vinten equivalent of Leonardo's helicopter....
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> =======
>>>> 
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Mob:  
>>>> 07789 561 346
>>>> 
>>>> Tel:  
>>>> 0118 981 7502
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> 
>> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Wed Jun 29 09:09:16 2022
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:09:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] After Drones
Message-ID: <878EC9F8-64C2-4A9C-8EDF-8BE4F17D85BA@vincent68.plus.com>

Some fixed ultra HD cams left and right and high and low. Some mind blowing computing can get any camera angle so Director can get what ever shots he wants post.

Don?t know about sound though. Perhaps some sort of micro chipping of artists and the computer does the rest according to shots selected!

Lighting the same.

Gets rid of all those technical prima donnas!

John V




Sent from my iPad


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Jun 29 09:45:58 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:45:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
In-Reply-To: <8FD5F55B-AEC0-4103-BA73-4FBC4728826C@icloud.com>
References: <msc0ngikiimh2dbdsmsmopb6.1656505066290@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<fa9154d8-61e8-cd82-226e-189daadc47f8@davesound.co.uk>
	<8FD5F55B-AEC0-4103-BA73-4FBC4728826C@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <7f5d71fd-1c0c-bf12-69b9-c22af9e48149@davesound.co.uk>

Perhaps. Am it right in remembering that at one time you couldn't swing 
a Mole arm etc over the audience?

On 29/06/2022 14:27, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Not over crowds
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 14:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Won't be long 'till drones take over from them.?
>>
>> On 29/06/2022 13:17, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I suppose it depends where you are looking from as to if Technocranes are new technology. They have been around for more than 35 years,  which is almost as long as most careers! They were in use at BBC TVC in mid or late 80s alongside the Nike and Mole.
>>> It was pre ccd cameras, so would have a ike 79D on it to try and match with the Link 125s and 110's
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>   
>>> Paul Thackray
>>>
>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>>
>>> 07802 243979
>>>
>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>
>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>
>>> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>>
>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>>
>>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Sent: 29 June 2022 11:01
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Reply to: hughsnape at talktalk.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
>>>
>>> Here?s the products page from the SuperTechno site:
>>>
>>> https://www.supertechno.com/telescopic-camera-cranes
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   I assumed people were a little more familiar with Technocranes, so only mentioned it almost in passing.
>>>>
>>>> Tecchnocrane seems to be a generic term and there are a number of different types. What I think of as the standard one will lift a camera about fifty feet in the air and will fully extend in about 5-6 seconds. A massive counterbalance is driven up and down at the other end.  The camera itself is controlled by a hot head.
>>>>
>>>> I?ve worked in a studio with one which was much smaller, but the hot head was controlled by a targeting computer, which once you specify who to follow and what framing you want, will frame and focus automatically while the operator concentrates on swinging the crane.  It was uncannily effective, even if you move the jib differently from the last take.
>>>>
>>>> At the other end of the scale I?ve been told about hundred foot versions, but have never seen one in the flesh. I wouldn?t be surprised if they keep making bigger ones, just as Simon Hoists have gone from pretty high, then ridiculously high and now unfeasibly high.
>>>>
>>>> Some have booms made from open tubular metal, rather like trussing, while others have rectangular section telescoping mechanisms like a Simon Hoist.
>>>>
>>>> They don?t have to be kept on a static base, they are often mounted on tracks. Movies sometimes use a Technocrane mounted in a vehicle and driven at comparatively high speeds.
>>>>
>>>> There are a lot of videos online showcasing different types of Technocranes. One which was shot at the Panavision depot shows familiar landmarks for  those who travel along the A40 near Greenford.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:06, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just reviewing Alan's comments about Glasto and the use of a Technocrane....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <fmTrLAPBdrt2H2uS.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time and technology marches on - some 60 odd years, but the concepts were ever there.  Technocranes don't have to cope with the 4.5 inch IO cameras!  Look at that diddy camera!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps we should regard the Peregrine as the BBC/Vinten equivalent of Leonardo's helicopter....
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> =======
>>>>>
>>>>> Alec Bray
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Mob:
>>>>> 07789 561 346
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel:
>>>>> 0118 981 7502
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jun 29 10:01:17 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:01:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] After Drones
In-Reply-To: <878EC9F8-64C2-4A9C-8EDF-8BE4F17D85BA@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <878EC9F8-64C2-4A9C-8EDF-8BE4F17D85BA@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <AM9P191MB16048CE2CA2A9A896FF0A7BDA7BB9@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I?ve always said it would be good if all presenters were fitted with an XLR output on their ankles. There?s one I can think of who must already have had one up the derri?re, but I thought it best not to ask.

I remember doing a 3D film studio shoot where two big cranes on tracks were synchronised to track, pan, and tilt exactly in sync. That was a long time ago, 35mm and early days of computing. Any suggestions as to what that might have been for? Also, synchronised zooms on LE shows - does that ring a bell?
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

> On 29 Jun 2022, at 15:09, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Some fixed ultra HD cams left and right and high and low. Some mind blowing computing can get any camera angle so Director can get what ever shots he wants post.
> 
> Don?t know about sound though. Perhaps some sort of micro chipping of artists and the computer does the rest according to shots selected!
> 
> Lighting the same.
> 
> Gets rid of all those technical prima donnas!
> 
> John V
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Jun 29 10:08:53 2022
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:08:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] After Drones
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB16048CE2CA2A9A896FF0A7BDA7BB9@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM9P191MB16048CE2CA2A9A896FF0A7BDA7BB9@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <842476E5-26FC-4C53-913D-5243D830E88D@icloud.com>

GAZE??? Ganged Auto Zoom Equipment???

Graham Maunder

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 29 Jun 2022, at 16:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ve always said it would be good if all presenters were fitted with an XLR output on their ankles. There?s one I can think of who must already have had one up the derri?re, but I thought it best not to ask.
> 
> I remember doing a 3D film studio shoot where two big cranes on tracks were synchronised to track, pan, and tilt exactly in sync. That was a long time ago, 35mm and early days of computing. Any suggestions as to what that might have been for? Also, synchronised zooms on LE shows - does that ring a bell?
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 15:09, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Some fixed ultra HD cams left and right and high and low. Some mind blowing computing can get any camera angle so Director can get what ever shots he wants post.
>> 
>> Don?t know about sound though. Perhaps some sort of micro chipping of artists and the computer does the rest according to shots selected!
>> 
>> Lighting the same.
>> 
>> Gets rid of all those technical prima donnas!
>> 
>> John V
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> -- 
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 29 10:12:37 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:12:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] After Drones
In-Reply-To: <AM9P191MB16048CE2CA2A9A896FF0A7BDA7BB9@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <878EC9F8-64C2-4A9C-8EDF-8BE4F17D85BA@vincent68.plus.com>
	<AM9P191MB16048CE2CA2A9A896FF0A7BDA7BB9@AM9P191MB1604.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <8290D65B-9D09-40E7-884D-6C0979E8A408@btinternet.com>

Synchronised zooms?.GAZE ?...Ganged Agenieux Zoom Equipment.
Barry.



On 29 Jun 2022, at 16:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I?ve always said it would be good if all presenters were fitted with an XLR output on their ankles. There?s one I can think of who must already have had one up the derri?re, but I thought it best not to ask.
> 
> I remember doing a 3D film studio shoot where two big cranes on tracks were synchronised to track, pan, and tilt exactly in sync. That was a long time ago, 35mm and early days of computing. Any suggestions as to what that might have been for? Also, synchronised zooms on LE shows - does that ring a bell?
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 15:09, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Some fixed ultra HD cams left and right and high and low. Some mind blowing computing can get any camera angle so Director can get what ever shots he wants post.
>> 
>> Don?t know about sound though. Perhaps some sort of micro chipping of artists and the computer does the rest according to shots selected!
>> 
>> Lighting the same.
>> 
>> Gets rid of all those technical prima donnas!
>> 
>> John V
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Wed Jun 29 11:21:48 2022
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:21:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Althea McNish, BBC 1973
Message-ID: <7B14B40C-91AE-4981-A884-34F93E2F863D@cam.ac.uk>

Dear All,

I visited the William Morris Gallery in Walthamstow today. There?s a show of work by the textile artist Althea McNish. The show included a video, made by BBC television, in 1973 of a concert at an art show. The footage shows some really nice details of TV cameras, microphones etc. I attach some screenshots.

best wishes,

Robin[cid:417B56B6-8ABB-4EDE-88A7-A85782879FC3][cid:47B3F3A0-42CC-4CA2-8766-D346388AEE19][cid:B9654C43-5176-4672-9F01-FB37B05BC7C6]

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 29 11:24:45 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 17:24:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] After Drones
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When CSO first started we had a set-up in TC6 on 'The Musical Time 
Machine' (with Stewart Morris (RIP!), Vince Hill and the Nolans) where 
we had two peds linked together, on one camera were the artistes and on 
the other a scenic picture and in the studio was a green cyc. It seemed 
to work OK but eventually the cycs. became blue. Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 29 12:07:56 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:07:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PS.
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I think the set-up in TC6 was called 'Scene-Sync'. Cheers, Dave


From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 12:22:02 2022
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:22:02 +0100
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Yes, Dave, it was Scene-Sync, used on The Borgias too. I think it was 
developed by Reg King at Evershed Power Optics, he also operated it. Reg 
was previously with Mole Richardson and was involved in designing the 
steering platform for the Mole Crane to make it more TV-friendly.

Dudley

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On 29/06/2022 18:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I think the set-up in TC6 was called 'Scene-Sync'. Cheers, Dave
>


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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 29 12:33:35 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:33:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] After Drones
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On 29 Jun 2022, at 15:09, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Don?t know about sound though. Perhaps some sort of micro chipping of artists and the computer does the rest according to shots selected!
> 
> Lighting the same.
 
Computers can perform amazing computations in an instant these days.  Look at Portrait mode on the camera in an iPhone.  It can automatically blur the background to create a depth of field  effect. That in itself is pretty impressive, but after you?ve taken the picture, you can retrospective tweak the depth of field, or apply the lighting effects ( which for the most part I?m not so keen on ). Any changes happen in real time, you tweak the f control and it?s as though you were twisting the aperture on a real lens. My iPhone is an SE3, which doesn?t have LiDAR range sensing, so all the magic is done by automatically analysing the 2D image.

Now if that can be done on a battery operated phone, think what could be done with a high powered computer. My money on a bet for future technology would be sampling the voice of an actor and then having a computer which lip-reads a performance and synthesises the speech.  The imagery and artistic lighting could be added afterwards, so long as the original guide image is clearly illuminated. If that became possible, almost every aspect, framing, shot selection, make up, costume, sound, lighting and set design could be done virtually and retrospectively. 

The visual aspects of that are already being done in the Abba virtual live show in the west end. They recorded motion capture sequences, but it seems just a matter of time until virtual actors are routinely synthesised from ordinary pictures without needing motion capture suits. You presumably wouldn?t need the actual actor, just somebody who moves the right way and somebody else who sounds right. The computer system would create the character you actually want. Deep Fake software is already doing many of these things.

On a slightly different tack, a few years ago I did a show where some boffins were making high resolution 3D scans of vinyl records in order to play them on a virtual record player which never made contact with the record. It was meant as a way of playing and restoring irreplaceable recordings. The party trick was going to be that it should be able to play broken records by creating a virtual whole record from individual scans of the broken bits, join it up, play it and automatically repair the damage where the breaks were.  I never heard anything more about it, so I assume that it never came to anything, but it did seem like an entirely plausible technology. 

Alan




From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jun 29 14:50:35 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 20:50:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
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Orchestras, on the other hand, were fair game! 

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 29 Jun 2022, at 15:45, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps. Am it right in remembering that at one time you couldn't swing a Mole arm etc over the audience?
> 
> On 29/06/2022 14:27, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> Not over crowds
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 14:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Won't be long 'till drones take over from them.?
>>> 
>>> On 29/06/2022 13:17, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I suppose it depends where you are looking from as to if Technocranes are new technology. They have been around for more than 35 years,  which is almost as long as most careers! They were in use at BBC TVC in mid or late 80s alongside the Nike and Mole.
>>>> It was pre ccd cameras, so would have a ike 79D on it to try and match with the Link 125s and 110's
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>>  Paul Thackray
>>>> 
>>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>>> 
>>>> 07802 243979
>>>> 
>>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>> 
>>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>> 
>>>> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>>> 
>>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>>> 
>>>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Sent: 29 June 2022 11:01
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Reply to: hughsnape at talktalk.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Time and technolgy changes
>>>> 
>>>> Here?s the products page from the SuperTechno site:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.supertechno.com/telescopic-camera-cranes
>>>> 
>>>> Hugh
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:53, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  I assumed people were a little more familiar with Technocranes, so only mentioned it almost in passing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tecchnocrane seems to be a generic term and there are a number of different types. What I think of as the standard one will lift a camera about fifty feet in the air and will fully extend in about 5-6 seconds. A massive counterbalance is driven up and down at the other end.  The camera itself is controlled by a hot head.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?ve worked in a studio with one which was much smaller, but the hot head was controlled by a targeting computer, which once you specify who to follow and what framing you want, will frame and focus automatically while the operator concentrates on swinging the crane.  It was uncannily effective, even if you move the jib differently from the last take.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At the other end of the scale I?ve been told about hundred foot versions, but have never seen one in the flesh. I wouldn?t be surprised if they keep making bigger ones, just as Simon Hoists have gone from pretty high, then ridiculously high and now unfeasibly high.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some have booms made from open tubular metal, rather like trussing, while others have rectangular section telescoping mechanisms like a Simon Hoist.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They don?t have to be kept on a static base, they are often mounted on tracks. Movies sometimes use a Technocrane mounted in a vehicle and driven at comparatively high speeds.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are a lot of videos online showcasing different types of Technocranes. One which was shot at the Panavision depot shows familiar landmarks for  those who travel along the A40 near Greenford.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2022, at 10:06, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just reviewing Alan's comments about Glasto and the use of a Technocrane....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <fmTrLAPBdrt2H2uS.png>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Time and technology marches on - some 60 odd years, but the concepts were ever there.  Technocranes don't have to cope with the 4.5 inch IO cameras!  Look at that diddy camera!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps we should regard the Peregrine as the BBC/Vinten equivalent of Leonardo's helicopter....
>>>>>> 
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Thu Jun 30 04:37:05 2022
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:37:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Connecting zooms together
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The system Nick remembers is GAZE = Ganged Augenieux Zoom Equipment.

Early in my time with TV Training Department, one Directors course had a 
day in a TVC studio being shown a range of 'auxiliary' equipment 
including GAZE, multi-facet lenses and VLAD = Vinten low-angle dolly.

Dave Buckley

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