From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 2 14:19:46 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 20:19:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Year's Day Concert Message-ID: <61d208e1.1c69fb81.6fc03.0271@mx.google.com> Once again, the New Year?s Day concert from Vienna was musical treat. I like to spot the mics, but this year the close sweetener ones were so neatly positioned as to be virtually invisible, but the overall mics were suspended just on their single very thin cables. Wonder if, when the venue warms up, whether the cables twist, throwing off the alignment. Maybe Andy Payne has some experience here? As the Wiener Philharmoniker in the past, was known to be all-male, I was pleased to learn that there were 10 ladies in the orchestra ? I could spot seven! Best wishes for a peaceful, healthy New Year to everyone. 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 2 18:39:58 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 00:39:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables In-Reply-To: <61d208e1.1c69fb81.6fc03.0271@mx.google.com> References: <61d208e1.1c69fb81.6fc03.0271@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3c96e083-8c2c-6b30-a322-59e46e5d9733@btinternet.com> For Princess Di's wedding BBC Radio Obs dropped their cables from the 'Whispering Gallery' long before the actual sevice to make sure that they ended up in the correct? position for the 'Vows'etc. Cheers, Dave On 02/01/2022 20:19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Once again, the New Year?s Day concert from Vienna was? musical treat. > > I like to spot the mics, but this year the close sweetener ones were > so neatly positioned as to be virtually invisible, but the overall > mics were suspended just on their single very thin cables. Wonder if, > when the venue warms up, whether the cables twist, throwing off the > alignment. 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 3 00:05:07 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 06:05:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables In-Reply-To: <3c96e083-8c2c-6b30-a322-59e46e5d9733@btinternet.com> References: <61d208e1.1c69fb81.6fc03.0271@mx.google.com> <3c96e083-8c2c-6b30-a322-59e46e5d9733@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61d29212.1c69fb81.ab729.a95e@mx.google.com> Thanks, Dave, Seems a sensible precaution. I believe that Schoeps have a hanger that clamps the cable securely? My tale of the Musikverein: Working with Nick Ware on Music in Time, stashed in a side chamber to record some Schubert Lieder (I think), I was searching for a mains socket ? nothing in the chamber, so looked in the corridor (surely a point to plug the cleaners? hoover into?) Still no joy, so opened a door opposite. A very dark space, but when my eyes accustomed, I realised that it was the Golden Hall. Did wonder if I could stow away there until the New Year?s Day concert! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: dave.mdv Sent: 03 January 2022 00:40 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables For Princess Di's wedding BBC Radio Obs dropped their cables from the 'Whispering Gallery' long before the actual sevice to make sure that they ended up in the correct? position for the 'Vows'etc. Cheers, Dave On 02/01/2022 20:19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Once again, the New Year?s Day concert from Vienna was? musical treat. I like to spot the mics, but this year the close sweetener ones were so neatly positioned as to be virtually invisible, but the overall mics were suspended just on their single very thin cables. Wonder if, when the venue warms up, whether the cables twist, throwing off the alignment. Maybe Andy Payne has some experience here? As the Wiener Philharmoniker in the past, was known to be all-male, I was pleased to learn that there were 10 ladies in the orchestra ? I could spot seven! 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Name: 9D4FFFEA90CC42A08EF07BA416FF399C.png Type: image/png Size: 136 bytes Desc: not available URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Jan 3 04:53:35 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 10:53:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables In-Reply-To: <61d29212.1c69fb81.ab729.a95e@mx.google.com> References: <61d208e1.1c69fb81.6fc03.0271@mx.google.com> <3c96e083-8c2c-6b30-a322-59e46e5d9733@btinternet.com> <61d29212.1c69fb81.ab729.a95e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6C50EDD0-F22E-4327-ACBC-80CC7E868292@btinternet.com> I spotted loads of Schoeps stands and capsules in the Orch and for the first time a Decca Tree overhead on a cunning spider web of thin cables. Schoeps really have delivered the goods for hideable but brilliant miking. We filmed in the the Musikverein for Schuberts Walks with Bryn Terfel and Martin Martineau, again in a side room in the 90s. We had visited many ancient monasteries and churches en route, many with gorgeous acoustics. A memorable trip. > On 3 Jan 2022, at 06:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks, Dave, > Seems a sensible precaution. I believe that Schoeps have a hanger that clamps the cable securely? > My tale of the Musikverein: > Working with Nick Ware on Music in Time, stashed in a side chamber to record some Schubert Lieder (I think), I was searching for a mains socket ? nothing in the chamber, so looked in the corridor (surely a point to plug the cleaners? hoover into?) Still no joy, so opened a door opposite. A very dark space, but when my eyes accustomed, I realised that it was the Golden Hall. Did wonder if I could stow away there until the New Year?s Day concert! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: dave.mdv > Sent: 03 January 2022 00:40 > To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables > > For Princess Di's wedding BBC Radio Obs dropped their cables from the 'Whispering Gallery' long before the actual sevice to make sure that they ended up in the correct position for the 'Vows'etc. Cheers, Dave > > On 02/01/2022 20:19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Once again, the New Year?s Day concert from Vienna was musical treat. > I like to spot the mics, but this year the close sweetener ones were so neatly positioned as to be virtually invisible, but the overall mics were suspended just on their single very thin cables. Wonder if, when the venue warms up, whether the cables twist, throwing off the alignment. Maybe Andy Payne has some experience here? > As the Wiener Philharmoniker in the past, was known to be all-male, I was pleased to learn that there were 10 ladies in the orchestra ? I could spot seven! > Best wishes for a peaceful, healthy New Year to everyone. > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > <9D4FFFEA90CC42A08EF07BA416FF399C.png> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > > > <9D4FFFEA90CC42A08EF07BA416FF399C.png>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 3 13:42:46 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 19:42:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables In-Reply-To: <6C50EDD0-F22E-4327-ACBC-80CC7E868292@btinternet.com> References: <61d208e1.1c69fb81.6fc03.0271@mx.google.com> <3c96e083-8c2c-6b30-a322-59e46e5d9733@btinternet.com> <61d29212.1c69fb81.ab729.a95e@mx.google.com> <6C50EDD0-F22E-4327-ACBC-80CC7E868292@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61d351b6.1c69fb81.ca61.7426@mx.google.com> I had several memorable trips with Nick, for Music in Time ? One such was recording the Czech Philharmonic in the Dvorak Hall in Prague, called Rudolfinum, now. The resident guy, whom we took to be the caretaker was keen to show us the sound control so after the recording we deigned to go and see. Nick was expecting some antiquated Russian kit. Were we surprised! ? Neve desk, Lockwood monitors and Ampex tape decks! It turned out that they recorded for Supraphon and sent the tapes to EMI. As they could not receive sterling, payment was rendered as equipment. Nick did run his tape on the Ampex, which scanned the stereo Nagra sync pulse, immediately identified by our new friend. Had we inspected earlier, it would have saved me crawling over the roof to lower our multicore down to the stage box. We could have hung our mics to their slung rig! The orchestra did not have any music on the stands! Prague also produced other stories ? we were ?hijacked? by the location contact driving us to visit a friend who made his own wine! Several tastings of red, then white, then the killer was schnapps! He also took us to the site of Buchenwald concentration camp. The spooky thing there was that there was no birdsong in the surrounding woods. Going back to the Vienna story ? that job also encompassed the Vienna Boys Choir, in their chapel. They were holding lighted candles so our DoP had very low lighting, which meant we were constantly tripping over cables on the floor as we couldn?t see a thing! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Roger E Long Sent: 03 January 2022 10:53 To: patheigham Cc: dave.mdv; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables I spotted loads of Schoeps stands and capsules in the Orch and for the first time a Decca Tree overhead on a cunning spider web of thin cables. Schoeps really have delivered the goods for hideable but brilliant miking. We filmed in the the Musikverein for Schuberts Walks with Bryn Terfel and Martin Martineau, again in a side room in the 90s. We had visited many ancient ?monasteries and churches en route, many with gorgeous acoustics. A memorable trip. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Jan 3 17:35:48 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 23:35:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables In-Reply-To: <61d351b6.1c69fb81.ca61.7426@mx.google.com> References: <61d351b6.1c69fb81.ca61.7426@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9E119973-288A-4699-8AF4-1C42F5F6EB15@btinternet.com> I was working in Prague for HBO films I went into the Dvorak Hall ,it was semi derilict, but the acoustics were superb, sort of black velvet in texture.. We were shooting at the state studios ,the local staff soon realised our pay rates were treble theirs , so some rancour, especially in frocks and make up. The local beers were excellent ,and so much cheaper downstairs in the cellar away from the German weekenders. My mistake was to wear blue overalls in the gritty locations ,this was what the secret police used to wear an extra told me. Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:42, patheigham wrote: > > ? > I had several memorable trips with Nick, for Music in Time ? > One such was recording the Czech Philharmonic in the Dvorak Hall in Prague, called Rudolfinum, now. The resident guy, whom we took to be the caretaker was keen to show us the sound control so after the recording we deigned to go and see. Nick was expecting some antiquated Russian kit. Were we surprised! ? Neve desk, Lockwood monitors and Ampex tape decks! It turned out that they recorded for Supraphon and sent the tapes to EMI. As they could not receive sterling, payment was rendered as equipment. > Nick did run his tape on the Ampex, which scanned the stereo Nagra sync pulse, immediately identified by our new friend. > Had we inspected earlier, it would have saved me crawling over the roof to lower our multicore down to the stage box. > We could have hung our mics to their slung rig! > The orchestra did not have any music on the stands! > Prague also produced other stories ? we were ?hijacked? by the location contact driving us to visit a friend who made his own wine! Several tastings of red, then white, then the killer was schnapps! He also took us to the site of Buchenwald concentration camp. The spooky thing there was that there was no birdsong in the surrounding woods. > Going back to the Vienna story ? that job also encompassed the Vienna Boys Choir, in their chapel. They were holding lighted candles so our DoP had very low lighting, which meant we were constantly tripping over cables on the floor as we couldn?t see a thing! > > Best > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Roger E Long > Sent: 03 January 2022 10:53 > To: patheigham > Cc: dave.mdv; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Twisting mic cables > > I spotted loads of Schoeps stands and capsules in the Orch and for the first time a Decca Tree overhead on a cunning spider web of thin cables. > Schoeps really have delivered the goods for hideable but brilliant miking. > We filmed in the the Musikverein for Schuberts Walks with Bryn Terfel and Martin Martineau, again in a side room in the 90s. > We had visited many ancient monasteries and churches en route, many with gorgeous acoustics. > A memorable trip. > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jan 5 15:47:32 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 21:47:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers Message-ID: I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jan 5 16:16:42 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 22:16:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72127bf5-fbcc-9554-22b9-f2d6b209b88c@btinternet.com> No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: > Have you tried reloading updated drivers. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Thu Jan 6 03:27:11 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 09:27:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: <72127bf5-fbcc-9554-22b9-f2d6b209b88c@btinternet.com> References: <72127bf5-fbcc-9554-22b9-f2d6b209b88c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave > >> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 03:31:49 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 09:31:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b8060b4-bd7b-c028-6ef7-419d36ba87b4@gmail.com> If you have to buy a new one, can I recommend one of the Epson Ecotanks. ? They cost more to buy, but save a lot of money in the long run, with very cheap bottles of ink which last a long time. B On 05/01/2022 21:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which > have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and > 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't > work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load > of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone > need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable > price? Cheers, Dave > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Jan 6 04:14:52 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 10:14:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: References: <72127bf5-fbcc-9554-22b9-f2d6b209b88c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6dfaee12-1268-8ace-29b5-45d57d324fde@btinternet.com> My printer/scanner is an Epson XP 413. Used exclusively with non genuine carts. Of course it moans about those. I also have an alarm set to remind me to print something once a week. If I've already used it that week, I'll remember and ignore. I don't really need state of the art photo printing often. Happy to use a pro printer if I do. I also have a mid range mono laser for the odd occasion where I need to do loads of printing. The first one I had of those wasn't actually good value as it broke half way through the second 'fill'. I'm hopeless at free hand drawing. If say fitting a shelf to an alcove, I'll draw it out on the computer, and do a print out of that with the dimensions. So often just need a printout for one time use. On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? > It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! > Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! > Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >> >>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jan 6 07:56:56 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:56:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: <6dfaee12-1268-8ace-29b5-45d57d324fde@btinternet.com> References: <6dfaee12-1268-8ace-29b5-45d57d324fde@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2B5D7111-677C-4D24-9C77-AEBC6D3BFE0E@me.com> I once bought a super deluxe Epson A3 sized printer and it took forever dealing with their tech support people to establish that the reason why it wouldn?t actually print A3 sized documents was because their driver only worked with one specific version of the operating system and they had no plans to update the driver. By that point the dealer had gone out of business, so I couldn?t even send it back as unfit for purpose. My experience of laser printers was much better than Dave?s. It was an Oki printer and I must have used it for about twenty years. Eventually is was no longer possible to get spare parts. I liked using the laser printer for making PCBs for electronic projects. There?s a technique called toner transfer where you use heat to transfer the toner from a sheet of plastic onto the copper and the toner then acts as a resist during the etching. I also use my printer for laying out holes and cutouts on projects. I design the project using software with allows me to specify circles of a particular diameter and lines to be placed in exact positions ( bizarrely, one particularly excellent option is the free word processor ?Pages? supplied with every Mac and iPad ). Once designed I print it onto paper, fasten the printout to the panel and do the metalwork. It?s important to make sure the dimensions are correct on the printout. Printing a 20cm square and then measuring its width and height will let you know if any adjustment is needed. I?m now a fan of places which cut wood according to dimensions from a spreadsheet. You pay for a panel of veneered or laminated mdf and they chop it up as required. They?ll even put edging strips on the cut edges if you want. You send off the spreadsheet and a few days later, you can collect a pile of pieces, each with a little label saying whatever you wrote in the spreadsheet. If you plan it right, the project almost falls together and it?s not an expensive operation. Alan Taylor > On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My printer/scanner is an Epson XP 413. Used exclusively with non genuine carts. Of course it moans about those. I also have an alarm set to remind me to print something once a week. If I've already used it that week, I'll remember and ignore. > > I don't really need state of the art photo printing often. Happy to use a pro printer if I do. > > I also have a mid range mono laser for the odd occasion where I need to do loads of printing. The first one I had of those wasn't actually good value as it broke half way through the second 'fill'. > > I'm hopeless at free hand drawing. If say fitting a shelf to an alcove, I'll draw it out on the computer, and do a print out of that with the dimensions. So often just need a printout for one time use. > >> On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? >> It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! >> Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! >> Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >> >>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >>> >>>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Jan 6 08:54:12 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:54:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: <2B5D7111-677C-4D24-9C77-AEBC6D3BFE0E@me.com> References: <6dfaee12-1268-8ace-29b5-45d57d324fde@btinternet.com> <2B5D7111-677C-4D24-9C77-AEBC6D3BFE0E@me.com> Message-ID: <61d70293.1c69fb81.c7956.36e5@mx.google.com> My printers are: EPSON STYLUS PHOTO 2100 PRINTER HP PHOTOSMART C6280 ALL-IN-ONE EPSON XP-635 PRINTER CANON PIXMA Pro9000 The Epson Stylus and Canon are both A3 capable as I used to make posters for various organisations. The Stylus was good as the paper feed was straight through, not 180 bend, which was better for heavy grade media, and it would print edge-to-edge, with no white margin. My only beef is that some ink sprayed onto the feed rollers, so there?s an annoying regular smudge occurring ? needs a service and clean! Still using the HP as it prints beautifully onto ICE 220gsm Double sided Glossy. But the carts are few and far between, now, and expensive when they are available. I agree with Nick, that it?s always better to stick with genuine carts. If your printer is still under warranty, this could be invalidated if you use ?compatible? carts. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 06 January 2022 13:57 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Canon printers I once bought a super deluxe Epson A3 sized printer and it took forever dealing with their tech support people to establish that the reason why it wouldn?t actually print A3 sized documents was because their driver only worked with one specific version of the operating system and they had no plans to update the driver. By that point the dealer had gone out of business, so I couldn?t even send it back as unfit for purpose. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Jan 6 09:15:02 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 15:15:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: <2B5D7111-677C-4D24-9C77-AEBC6D3BFE0E@me.com> References: <6dfaee12-1268-8ace-29b5-45d57d324fde@btinternet.com> <2B5D7111-677C-4D24-9C77-AEBC6D3BFE0E@me.com> Message-ID: That's one thing my Epson combined printer and scanner doesn't do well. Scanning to exact real size. But likely a software thing. I often seem to have to re-create PCBs for early electronics in cars.? They are usually pretty simple in relative terms. Have a much older parallel port scanner on the equally old Acorn computer. That scans the original PCB in real size and transfers perfectly into the Acorn CAD prog, where I can draw over it, as a template. The laser printer toner transfer seems excellent over making a transparency. But these days I just send the Gerber files from the CAD prog to a proto PCB maker - as I usually want a few made at the same time. Sad really, as I enjoyed making them. But getting one with printed component places? etc and solder resist was always beyond my facilities. On 06/01/2022 13:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I once bought a super deluxe Epson A3 sized printer and it took forever dealing with their tech support people to establish that the reason why it wouldn?t actually print A3 sized documents was because their driver only worked with one specific version of the operating system and they had no plans to update the driver. By that point the dealer had gone out of business, so I couldn?t even send it back as unfit for purpose. > > My experience of laser printers was much better than Dave?s. It was an Oki printer and I must have used it for about twenty years. Eventually is was no longer possible to get spare parts. I liked using the laser printer for making PCBs for electronic projects. There?s a technique called toner transfer where you use heat to transfer the toner from a sheet of plastic onto the copper and the toner then acts as a resist during the etching. > > I also use my printer for laying out holes and cutouts on projects. I design the project using software with allows me to specify circles of a particular diameter and lines to be placed in exact positions ( bizarrely, one particularly excellent option is the free word processor ?Pages? supplied with every Mac and iPad ). Once designed I print it onto paper, fasten the printout to the panel and do the metalwork. It?s important to make sure the dimensions are correct on the printout. Printing a 20cm square and then measuring its width and height will let you know if any adjustment is needed. > > I?m now a fan of places which cut wood according to dimensions from a spreadsheet. You pay for a panel of veneered or laminated mdf and they chop it up as required. They?ll even put edging strips on the cut edges if you want. You send off the spreadsheet and a few days later, you can collect a pile of pieces, each with a little label saying whatever you wrote in the spreadsheet. If you plan it right, the project almost falls together and it?s not an expensive operation. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My printer/scanner is an Epson XP 413. Used exclusively with non genuine carts. Of course it moans about those. I also have an alarm set to remind me to print something once a week. If I've already used it that week, I'll remember and ignore. >> >> I don't really need state of the art photo printing often. Happy to use a pro printer if I do. >> >> I also have a mid range mono laser for the odd occasion where I need to do loads of printing. The first one I had of those wasn't actually good value as it broke half way through the second 'fill'. >> >> I'm hopeless at free hand drawing. If say fitting a shelf to an alcove, I'll draw it out on the computer, and do a print out of that with the dimensions. So often just need a printout for one time use. >> >>> On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? >>> It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! >>> Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! >>> Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >>> >>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>>>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jan 6 10:15:09 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:15:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77B9026E-0999-468F-A5A4-5F9AF97CCC0C@me.com> The OB chaps might remember Jim Daniels. A very clever engineer, who was always inventing great stuff either for the BBC or as private projects. One such private project was when he wrote a very sophisticated software package for the BBC microcomputer to create PCBs. There was a free demo version, but you needed to pay to get a version which would print transparencies. He took a call from a customer complaining that the PCBs transparencies were coming out the wrong size. After a bit of discussion about what might be going wrong, the customer revealed that they weren?t actually using a printer, but had taped a gel to their monitor screen and were drawing over it with a marker pen. Alan Taylor > On 6 Jan 2022, at 15:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?That's one thing my Epson combined printer and scanner doesn't do well. Scanning to exact real size. But likely a software thing. > > I often seem to have to re-create PCBs for early electronics in cars. They are usually pretty simple in relative terms. Have a much older parallel port scanner on the equally old Acorn computer. That scans the original PCB in real size and transfers perfectly into the Acorn CAD prog, where I can draw over it, as a template. > > The laser printer toner transfer seems excellent over making a transparency. But these days I just send the Gerber files from the CAD prog to a proto PCB maker - as I usually want a few made at the same time. Sad really, as I enjoyed making them. But getting one with printed component places etc and solder resist was always beyond my facilities. > >> On 06/01/2022 13:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I once bought a super deluxe Epson A3 sized printer and it took forever dealing with their tech support people to establish that the reason why it wouldn?t actually print A3 sized documents was because their driver only worked with one specific version of the operating system and they had no plans to update the driver. By that point the dealer had gone out of business, so I couldn?t even send it back as unfit for purpose. >> >> My experience of laser printers was much better than Dave?s. It was an Oki printer and I must have used it for about twenty years. Eventually is was no longer possible to get spare parts. I liked using the laser printer for making PCBs for electronic projects. There?s a technique called toner transfer where you use heat to transfer the toner from a sheet of plastic onto the copper and the toner then acts as a resist during the etching. >> >> I also use my printer for laying out holes and cutouts on projects. I design the project using software with allows me to specify circles of a particular diameter and lines to be placed in exact positions ( bizarrely, one particularly excellent option is the free word processor ?Pages? supplied with every Mac and iPad ). Once designed I print it onto paper, fasten the printout to the panel and do the metalwork. It?s important to make sure the dimensions are correct on the printout. Printing a 20cm square and then measuring its width and height will let you know if any adjustment is needed. >> >> I?m now a fan of places which cut wood according to dimensions from a spreadsheet. You pay for a panel of veneered or laminated mdf and they chop it up as required. They?ll even put edging strips on the cut edges if you want. You send off the spreadsheet and a few days later, you can collect a pile of pieces, each with a little label saying whatever you wrote in the spreadsheet. If you plan it right, the project almost falls together and it?s not an expensive operation. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?My printer/scanner is an Epson XP 413. Used exclusively with non genuine carts. Of course it moans about those. I also have an alarm set to remind me to print something once a week. If I've already used it that week, I'll remember and ignore. >>> >>> I don't really need state of the art photo printing often. Happy to use a pro printer if I do. >>> >>> I also have a mid range mono laser for the odd occasion where I need to do loads of printing. The first one I had of those wasn't actually good value as it broke half way through the second 'fill'. >>> >>> I'm hopeless at free hand drawing. If say fitting a shelf to an alcove, I'll draw it out on the computer, and do a print out of that with the dimensions. So often just need a printout for one time use. >>> >>>> On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? >>>> It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! >>>> Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! >>>> Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick. >>>> >>>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >>>> >>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >>>>> >>>>>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>>>>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Jan 6 11:35:37 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 17:35:37 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: <2B5D7111-677C-4D24-9C77-AEBC6D3BFE0E@me.com> References: <6dfaee12-1268-8ace-29b5-45d57d324fde@btinternet.com> <2B5D7111-677C-4D24-9C77-AEBC6D3BFE0E@me.com> Message-ID: <36315803B624400AA4DDED203FB7B3BC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> This nuisance with printer drivers not being updated reminds me of earlier threads about scanners, where Vuescan (and possibly others) can rescue an older scanner from oblivion by offering software that works for over six thousand scanner models from 40 or more manufacturers. I am not aware of any comparable software for printers but Oki seem to offer a driver setup which works for pretty much all their printers past and present. I wonder, if they were so minded, whether Canon, Epson, HP and the like could do the same thing or is the Oki offering only doable because their printers don't include inkjets? Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:56 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Canon printers I once bought a super deluxe Epson A3 sized printer and it took forever dealing with their tech support people to establish that the reason why it wouldn?t actually print A3 sized documents was because their driver only worked with one specific version of the operating system and they had no plans to update the driver. By that point the dealer had gone out of business, so I couldn?t even send it back as unfit for purpose. My experience of laser printers was much better than Dave?s. It was an Oki printer and I must have used it for about twenty years. Eventually is was no longer possible to get spare parts. I liked using the laser printer for making PCBs for electronic projects. There?s a technique called toner transfer where you use heat to transfer the toner from a sheet of plastic onto the copper and the toner then acts as a resist during the etching. I also use my printer for laying out holes and cutouts on projects. I design the project using software with allows me to specify circles of a particular diameter and lines to be placed in exact positions ( bizarrely, one particularly excellent option is the free word processor ?Pages? supplied with every Mac and iPad ). Once designed I print it onto paper, fasten the printout to the panel and do the metalwork. It?s important to make sure the dimensions are correct on the printout. Printing a 20cm square and then measuring its width and height will let you know if any adjustment is needed. I?m now a fan of places which cut wood according to dimensions from a spreadsheet. You pay for a panel of veneered or laminated mdf and they chop it up as required. They?ll even put edging strips on the cut edges if you want. You send off the spreadsheet and a few days later, you can collect a pile of pieces, each with a little label saying whatever you wrote in the spreadsheet. If you plan it right, the project almost falls together and it?s not an expensive operation. Alan Taylor > On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?My printer/scanner is an Epson XP 413. Used exclusively with non genuine > carts. Of course it moans about those. I also have an alarm set to remind > me to print something once a week. If I've already used it that week, I'll > remember and ignore. > > I don't really need state of the art photo printing often. Happy to use a > pro printer if I do. > > I also have a mid range mono laser for the odd occasion where I need to do > loads of printing. The first one I had of those wasn't actually good value > as it broke half way through the second 'fill'. > > I'm hopeless at free hand drawing. If say fitting a shelf to an alcove, > I'll draw it out on the computer, and do a print out of that with the > dimensions. So often just need a printout for one time use. > >> On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for >> the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I >> assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because >> they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor >> full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that >> correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your >> problem? >> It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, >> because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a >> regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is >> that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! >> Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a >> fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it >> for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and >> printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to >> replace Canon inkjet heads! >> Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do >> with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to >> Space stations, etc.! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >> >>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>> >>> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads >>> before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers >>> each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer >>> itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >>> >>>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which >>>>> have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and >>>>> 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't >>>>> work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load >>>>> of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone >>>>> need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable >>>>> price? Cheers, Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jan 6 12:27:53 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 18:27:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: <36315803B624400AA4DDED203FB7B3BC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <36315803B624400AA4DDED203FB7B3BC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: There was a time when getting any sort of support for peripherals on a Mac was a nightmare. The manufacturers were only putting in the effort to support PCs, but for a number of reasons that changed and these days Mac support is usually pretty good. I had an Epson scanner which worked well until an OS upgrade meant the the driver saws incompatible. Instead of chucking it in the bin, I did what any bloke would do and put it on a shelf in case it might come in useful for something one day. Then a few years later, Apple came up with an operating system improvement where generic drivers for many common printers and scanners were supplied by Apple instead of by the manufacturers. I tried using the old scanner and not only did it work perfectly, it acquired new features which it didn?t have before. My Oki laser printer had such amazing longevity partly because of the build quality, but also because it was a Postscript printer. So long as a computer chucked out data in the Postscript format, the printer was happy to print it and it never needed special drivers. I would imagine that if I still had that printer, I could plug it in to my current Mac and be printing within moments. That printer didn?t even have USB because it hasn?t been invented at the time, I bought a little adaptor box to handle that. Alan Taylor > On 6 Jan 2022, at 17:35, David Newbitt wrote: > ?This nuisance with printer drivers not being updated reminds me of earlier threads about scanners, where Vuescan (and possibly others) can rescue an older scanner from oblivion by offering software that works for over six thousand scanner models from 40 or more manufacturers. > > I am not aware of any comparable software for printers but Oki seem to offer a driver setup which works for pretty much all their printers past and present. I wonder, if they were so minded, whether Canon, Epson, HP and the like could do the same thing or is the Oki offering only doable because their printers don't include inkjets? > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:56 PM > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Canon printers > > I once bought a super deluxe Epson A3 sized printer and it took forever dealing with their tech support people to establish that the reason why it wouldn?t actually print A3 sized documents was because their driver only worked with one specific version of the operating system and they had no plans to update the driver. By that point the dealer had gone out of business, so I couldn?t even send it back as unfit for purpose. > > My experience of laser printers was much better than Dave?s. It was an Oki printer and I must have used it for about twenty years. Eventually is was no longer possible to get spare parts. I liked using the laser printer for making PCBs for electronic projects. There?s a technique called toner transfer where you use heat to transfer the toner from a sheet of plastic onto the copper and the toner then acts as a resist during the etching. > > I also use my printer for laying out holes and cutouts on projects. I design the project using software with allows me to specify circles of a particular diameter and lines to be placed in exact positions ( bizarrely, one particularly excellent option is the free word processor ?Pages? supplied with every Mac and iPad ). Once designed I print it onto paper, fasten the printout to the panel and do the metalwork. It?s important to make sure the dimensions are correct on the printout. Printing a 20cm square and then measuring its width and height will let you know if any adjustment is needed. > > I?m now a fan of places which cut wood according to dimensions from a spreadsheet. You pay for a panel of veneered or laminated mdf and they chop it up as required. They?ll even put edging strips on the cut edges if you want. You send off the spreadsheet and a few days later, you can collect a pile of pieces, each with a little label saying whatever you wrote in the spreadsheet. If you plan it right, the project almost falls together and it?s not an expensive operation. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> ?My printer/scanner is an Epson XP 413. Used exclusively with non genuine carts. Of course it moans about those. I also have an alarm set to remind me to print something once a week. If I've already used it that week, I'll remember and ignore. >> I don't really need state of the art photo printing often. Happy to use a pro printer if I do. >> I also have a mid range mono laser for the odd occasion where I need to do loads of printing. The first one I had of those wasn't actually good value as it broke half way through the second 'fill'. >> I'm hopeless at free hand drawing. If say fitting a shelf to an alcove, I'll draw it out on the computer, and do a print out of that with the dimensions. So often just need a printout for one time use. >>>> On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? >>> It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! >>> Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! >>> Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >>>>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>>>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 14:29:53 2022 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 20:29:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels In-Reply-To: <36315803B624400AA4DDED203FB7B3BC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <36315803B624400AA4DDED203FB7B3BC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <81BA7241-820A-47F9-86CF-666AE32B2F37@gmail.com> I have an old HP 90cxi which has two cartridges, a tri-colour and a black one. I recently had the tricolour refilled at a local shop as I couldn?t get an HP replacement in time for what I needed and it works well. I had placed an order for the HP one with a foreign company and now have that in reserve. For most things the printer works well and I like the layout with the feed tray at the bottom and the output is just above, with both front facing and easy to access. My main complaint with the printer/ computer prog/ driver is that it doesn?t print Avery labels as they show on screen and they don?t register. I use labels in Word 365 and have tried creating a table but frustratingly can?t get it to print as it originally did. I know I?ve said about this before but would be interested to know if any of you have a solution or if it?s not a problem with your printer, Geoff > On 6 Jan 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?This nuisance with printer drivers not being updated reminds me of earlier threads about scanners, where Vuescan (and possibly others) can rescue an older scanner from oblivion by offering software that works for over six thousand scanner models from 40 or more manufacturers. > > I am not aware of any comparable software for printers but Oki seem to offer a driver setup which works for pretty much all their printers past and present. I wonder, if they were so minded, whether Canon, Epson, HP and the like could do the same thing or is the Oki offering only doable because their printers don't include inkjets? > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:56 PM > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Canon printers > > I once bought a super deluxe Epson A3 sized printer and it took forever dealing with their tech support people to establish that the reason why it wouldn?t actually print A3 sized documents was because their driver only worked with one specific version of the operating system and they had no plans to update the driver. By that point the dealer had gone out of business, so I couldn?t even send it back as unfit for purpose. > > My experience of laser printers was much better than Dave?s. It was an Oki printer and I must have used it for about twenty years. Eventually is was no longer possible to get spare parts. I liked using the laser printer for making PCBs for electronic projects. There?s a technique called toner transfer where you use heat to transfer the toner from a sheet of plastic onto the copper and the toner then acts as a resist during the etching. > > I also use my printer for laying out holes and cutouts on projects. I design the project using software with allows me to specify circles of a particular diameter and lines to be placed in exact positions ( bizarrely, one particularly excellent option is the free word processor ?Pages? supplied with every Mac and iPad ). Once designed I print it onto paper, fasten the printout to the panel and do the metalwork. It?s important to make sure the dimensions are correct on the printout. Printing a 20cm square and then measuring its width and height will let you know if any adjustment is needed. > > I?m now a fan of places which cut wood according to dimensions from a spreadsheet. You pay for a panel of veneered or laminated mdf and they chop it up as required. They?ll even put edging strips on the cut edges if you want. You send off the spreadsheet and a few days later, you can collect a pile of pieces, each with a little label saying whatever you wrote in the spreadsheet. If you plan it right, the project almost falls together and it?s not an expensive operation. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My printer/scanner is an Epson XP 413. Used exclusively with non genuine carts. Of course it moans about those. I also have an alarm set to remind me to print something once a week. If I've already used it that week, I'll remember and ignore. >> >> I don't really need state of the art photo printing often. Happy to use a pro printer if I do. >> >> I also have a mid range mono laser for the odd occasion where I need to do loads of printing. The first one I had of those wasn't actually good value as it broke half way through the second 'fill'. >> >> I'm hopeless at free hand drawing. If say fitting a shelf to an alcove, I'll draw it out on the computer, and do a print out of that with the dimensions. So often just need a printout for one time use. >> >>>> On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? >>> It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! >>> Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! >>> Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >>> >>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>>>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jan 6 15:31:01 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 21:31:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels In-Reply-To: <81BA7241-820A-47F9-86CF-666AE32B2F37@gmail.com> References: <81BA7241-820A-47F9-86CF-666AE32B2F37@gmail.com> Message-ID: I never use label templates, even if they are available. I use the page layout features of my word processor. I start my making a grid defining the layout of the labels, starting by using measurements from the sheet of labels. Then I print it and hold it against a window with a sheet of labels carefully aligned with it. I the light shining through makes it easy to see if any of the guidelines need nudging one way out the other. Once I?ve got a sheet which aligns correctly, I then draw lines about 2mm either side of each guideline. This gives me a safe margin to work within. All lay-out and tweaking is done using the arrow keys or entering dimensions into dialogue boxes - I never move elements with the mouse as it?s not necessarily a repeatable movement. If your page layout offers layers, use layers to separate guides, outlines and the wanted text. Then I create a grid of text boxes to exactly fit those guides, lock them into place and everything so far created is put not a layer which can be hidden. Otherwise the guides can be grouped together and turned white before printing. The text and any graphics for the labels can be typed in the usual way, but it automatically snaps into place because of the carefully aligned text boxes. The great advantage of working this way is you can choose how much of a safety margin you need. To a certain extent that will depend on how repeatedly your printer feeds each sheet of labels. For tiny labels, like the ones I used to stick on DAT tapes, the margins can be kept very narrow so that you can print more text in the limited space. Instead of creating margins, an alternative is to define the white space around the text in the text box, but that might require a basic understanding of typesetting terminology. When I think I?ve got it right, I print a copy to plain paper and again hold that and a sheet of labels against the light to check alignment. It?s also important to feed the labels into the printer in the same orientation, some sheets of labels have wider margins at the top to the bottom. Doing dummy runs on plain paper saves wasting expensive labels. Alan Taylor > On 6 Jan 2022, at 20:29, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > ?I have an old HP 90cxi which has two cartridges, a tri-colour and a black one. I recently had the tricolour refilled at a local shop as I couldn?t get an HP replacement in time for what I needed and it works well. I had placed an order for the HP one with a foreign company and now have that in reserve. > For most things the printer works well and I like the layout with the feed tray at the bottom and the output is just above, with both front facing and easy to access. > My main complaint with the printer/ computer prog/ driver is that it doesn?t print Avery labels as they show on screen and they don?t register. I use labels in Word 365 and have tried creating a table but frustratingly can?t get it to print as it originally did. > I know I?ve said about this before but would be interested to know if any of you have a solution or if it?s not a problem with your printer, > Geoff > >> On 6 Jan 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?This nuisance with printer drivers not being updated reminds me of earlier threads about scanners, where Vuescan (and possibly others) can rescue an older scanner from oblivion by offering software that works for over six thousand scanner models from 40 or more manufacturers. >> >> I am not aware of any comparable software for printers but Oki seem to offer a driver setup which works for pretty much all their printers past and present. I wonder, if they were so minded, whether Canon, Epson, HP and the like could do the same thing or is the Oki offering only doable because their printers don't include inkjets? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:56 PM >> To: tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Canon printers >> >> I once bought a super deluxe Epson A3 sized printer and it took forever dealing with their tech support people to establish that the reason why it wouldn?t actually print A3 sized documents was because their driver only worked with one specific version of the operating system and they had no plans to update the driver. By that point the dealer had gone out of business, so I couldn?t even send it back as unfit for purpose. >> >> My experience of laser printers was much better than Dave?s. It was an Oki printer and I must have used it for about twenty years. Eventually is was no longer possible to get spare parts. I liked using the laser printer for making PCBs for electronic projects. There?s a technique called toner transfer where you use heat to transfer the toner from a sheet of plastic onto the copper and the toner then acts as a resist during the etching. >> >> I also use my printer for laying out holes and cutouts on projects. I design the project using software with allows me to specify circles of a particular diameter and lines to be placed in exact positions ( bizarrely, one particularly excellent option is the free word processor ?Pages? supplied with every Mac and iPad ). Once designed I print it onto paper, fasten the printout to the panel and do the metalwork. It?s important to make sure the dimensions are correct on the printout. Printing a 20cm square and then measuring its width and height will let you know if any adjustment is needed. >> >> I?m now a fan of places which cut wood according to dimensions from a spreadsheet. You pay for a panel of veneered or laminated mdf and they chop it up as required. They?ll even put edging strips on the cut edges if you want. You send off the spreadsheet and a few days later, you can collect a pile of pieces, each with a little label saying whatever you wrote in the spreadsheet. If you plan it right, the project almost falls together and it?s not an expensive operation. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?My printer/scanner is an Epson XP 413. Used exclusively with non genuine carts. Of course it moans about those. I also have an alarm set to remind me to print something once a week. If I've already used it that week, I'll remember and ignore. >>> I don't really need state of the art photo printing often. Happy to use a pro printer if I do. >>> I also have a mid range mono laser for the odd occasion where I need to do loads of printing. The first one I had of those wasn't actually good value as it broke half way through the second 'fill'. >>> I'm hopeless at free hand drawing. If say fitting a shelf to an alcove, I'll draw it out on the computer, and do a print out of that with the dimensions. So often just need a printout for one time use. >>>>> On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? >>>> It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! >>>> Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! >>>> Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick. >>>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >>>>>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>>>>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 6 18:42:58 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 00:42:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canon printers In-Reply-To: References: <72127bf5-fbcc-9554-22b9-f2d6b209b88c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes Nick, I always use genuine Canon inks carts. ever since I used to re-fill my early Lexmark printers which eventually got clogged printheads (which were part of the ink tank!). I have had iP5000s since 2005 and also i850s before that, I actually bought both grown-up kids i850s as they were a good deal at the time. The ink tanks I mentioned are non-chipped, which is great, and why I didn't want to change? from the iP5000, the last iP5000 I bought was only ?10 from a family near to my Thursday pub in High Wycombe! I have ordered a new iP7250 from E-Bay which comes with 3 sets of extra life ink carts, it was priced at ?329.99, not a lot more than my original iP5000 and I see one company is pricing them at ?599.99 and Amazon at ?770! They are not current models but it has 1 picolitre droplet spec. as against the iP5000 at 2 picolitre (mind boggling small!). Amazingly, there are very few Canon printers which use those BCI-3 & 6 ink tanks even the iP5200 doesn't. The head failures are all my own fault for not using the i850 for a long time and running the iP5000 with one ink tank removed to try and clean the other nozzles! Cheers, Dave. On 06/01/2022 09:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Mine is a Pixma MG7150, using the 551 series cartridges (x5, plus 550 for the black). A few years old now, but never given any trouble at all. I assume you are using genuine Canon replacement carts? Important because they each contain a chip that communicates with the printer to monitor full to empty status, and some cheapies and refills don?t do that correctly, if at all. I found that out the hard way. Could that be your problem? > It?s true that printer manufacturers almost give away the printer, because it is a one-off purchase lasting years, whereas cartridges are a regular sale, the more so the more you use the printer. The cheeky bit is that the printer uses your ink to flush and clean the printer heads! > Overall, using only genuine Canon XL carts, I think my 7150 was a fantastic purchase. I had Epsons and HP previously that didn?t match it for photo-print quality and reliability. Plus, it has postcard size and printable-CD trays, and is a scanner too. I?ve never, ever, had to replace Canon inkjet heads! > Clever technology, but have you model makers looked at what you can do with a 3D printer? They are even being used to ?send? spare parts to Space stations, etc.! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 5 Jan 2022, at 22:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?No, but I have had this problem with Chinese re-furbished printheads before so i think I will gve up from now on and just buy new printers each time as the cost of inks far outweigh the cost of the printer itself, stupd really! Cheers, Dave >> >>> On 05/01/2022 22:12, Ravenscourt wrote: >>> Have you tried reloading updated drivers. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 16:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?I have two Canon printers, an i850 and a Pixma iP5000, both of which have just got non-working printheads. I have just received 'new' and 'refurbished' ones from China which look just perfect, BUT, they don't work! I know that I can buy a new printer easily but I have got a load of genuine Canon inks which would be a shame to dump. So, does anyone need any BCI-3E black tanks or BCI-6e C,M,Y,BK tanks for a reasonable price? Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 6 18:52:18 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 00:52:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vuescan Message-ID: PS. to the printer saga, I have a superb Canon scanner (Canoscan 9950F) which Vuescan don't have a driver for so I can't use it with Linux! Duh! Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Fri Jan 7 05:14:34 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 11:14:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels Message-ID: ? ?My God, Alan, that?s doing it the hard way! Label Factory Deluxe by Art Explosion does all that in seconds. In the opening menu, simply select your blank label sheet from a huge selection of templates by Avery and many others and type in your data. Or open labels you previously made from same menu page. If you run a test sheet and it doesn?t fit exactly, adjustment is simple. Print a test sheet on plain paper, fold first vertical, then horizontal and place over the actual label sheet - easier than holding up to the light. I?ve never had to fudge the positioning or spacing on my Canon printer. Choose number of labels you want to print, or full pages, and preview (pic 2). There are countless backgrounds, borders and frilly bits that you can choose from, etc. I never do, but you can print multiple different addresses (mailing lists) on the same sheet (Christmas cards, etc.). The version I have is quite old (v3.1, I think) but runs fine in Windows 10. I must have paid for this originally, and there have been v4 and v5 thereafter. If you?d like to try it I?ll happily send you a copy on CDrom. Plus all the clipart, additional fonts, media, etc on a second disk. If you like it when you try it, I leave it to your conscience whether to purchase it or the later versions for yourself. But suffice to say, although this version invites you to register it, it runs fully without doing so. [cid:727AF39D-8135-4C80-8C1F-F8F49AB831CC] [cid:18274F59-479A-49BD-A861-29BE4BA6A62C] (Ellie doesn?t live there anymore, by the way) Cheers, N. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 On 6 Jan 2022, at 21:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ?I never use label templates, even if they are available. I use the page layout features of my word processor. I start my making a grid defining the layout of the labels, starting by using measurements from the sheet of labels. Then I print it and hold it against a window with a sheet of labels carefully aligned with it. I the light shining through makes it easy to see if any of the guidelines need nudging one way out the other. Once I?ve got a sheet which aligns correctly, I then draw lines about 2mm either side of each guideline. This gives me a safe margin to work within. All lay-out and tweaking is done using the arrow keys or entering dimensions into dialogue boxes - I never move elements with the mouse as it?s not necessarily a repeatable movement. If your page layout offers layers, use layers to separate guides, outlines and the wanted text. Then I create a grid of text boxes to exactly fit those guides, lock them into place and everything so far created is put not a layer which can be hidden. Otherwise the guides can be grouped together and turned white before printing. The text and any graphics for the labels can be typed in the usual way, but it automatically snaps into place because of the carefully aligned text boxes. The great advantage of working this way is you can choose how much of a safety margin you need. To a certain extent that will depend on how repeatedly your printer feeds each sheet of labels. For tiny labels, like the ones I used to stick on DAT tapes, the margins can be kept very narrow so that you can print more text in the limited space. Instead of creating margins, an alternative is to define the white space around the text in the text box, but that might require a basic understanding of typesetting terminology. When I think I?ve got it right, I print a copy to plain paper and again hold that and a sheet of labels against the light to check alignment. It?s also important to feed the labels into the printer in the same orientation, some sheets of labels have wider margins at the top to the bottom. Doing dummy runs on plain paper saves wasting expensive labels. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 253018 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 239472 bytes Desc: image1.jpeg URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Jan 7 06:35:23 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 12:35:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels In-Reply-To: References: <81BA7241-820A-47F9-86CF-666AE32B2F37@gmail.com> Message-ID: Am I stating the obvious ... that if you use Word you can create pages of labels in every format known to man - Avery US, Avery A4, and a thousand other brands. You can produce straightforward labels using this system, including mail merges. If you want ultimate pretty versions with borders, pictures etc then you can use MS Publisher to do it. Again every label format is available. I use that to produce laser colour printed jam labels for Sara, with pictures of each fruit. And the same goes for Libre Office... Can't imagine why anyone would struggle to do anything else. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From waresound at msn.com Fri Jan 7 06:45:59 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 12:45:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vuescan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But it is supported by Microsoft and/or Vuescan for Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 and 11, Dave, or Mac OSX (though that?s uncharted territory to me!), so if you have the scanner, why Linux? (Is Linux-user the computer-geek equivalent of anti-vaxxer? - Oops, controversial!) ? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > On 7 Jan 2022, at 00:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?PS. to the printer saga, I have a superb Canon scanner (Canoscan 9950F) which Vuescan don't have a driver for so I can't use it with Linux! Duh! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 06:53:40 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 12:53:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels In-Reply-To: References: <81BA7241-820A-47F9-86CF-666AE32B2F37@gmail.com> Message-ID: You learn something new every day! For many years I've used the Avery label software (that you once could download) for honey jar labelling. It works fine, in its own way, but I had no idea that LibreOffice has the same functions. Thanks Chris B On 07/01/2022 12:35, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > Am I stating the obvious ... that if you use Word you can create pages > of labels in every format known to man - Avery US, Avery A4, and a > thousand other brands. You can produce straightforward labels using > this system, including mail merges. > > If you want ultimate pretty versions with borders, pictures etc then > you can use MS Publisher to do it. Again every label format is > available. I use that to produce laser colour printed jam labels for > Sara, with pictures of each fruit. > > And the same goes for Libre Office... > > Can't imagine why anyone would struggle to do anything else. > > Chris Woolf > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 7 07:25:50 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:25:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61d83f5d.1c69fb81.73cff.85b1@mx.google.com> I?ve never had a problem using Avery labels with Windows 10. Sheets of 21 are perfect for Christmas cards, and as Nick says, use Mailmerge to make sheets containing different addresses. Also there?s a 4 label sheet for printing pre-paid postage labels via Royal Mail Click & Drop, but I had to get Mike McCarthy to talk me through that, as initially I was defeated in telling it where to position the label! The order page is not particularly intuitive, why don?t they call the address fields ?sender? and ?recipient?? The CD/DVD round disc labels might need a bit of tweaking for position, but I?ve never attempted printing onto the blank disks. Best of luck! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 07 January 2022 11:14 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels ? ?My God, Alan, that?s doing it the hard way! Label Factory Deluxe by Art Explosion does all that in seconds. In the opening menu, simply select your blank label sheet from a huge selection of templates by Avery and many others and type in your data. Or open labels you previously made from same menu page. If you run a test sheet and it doesn?t fit exactly, adjustment is simple. Print a test sheet on plain paper, fold first vertical, then horizontal and place over the actual label sheet - easier than holding up to the light. I?ve never had to fudge the positioning or spacing on my Canon printer. Choose number of labels you want to print, or full pages, and preview (pic 2). There are countless backgrounds, borders and frilly bits that you can choose from, etc. I never do, but you can print multiple different addresses (mailing lists) on the same sheet (Christmas cards, etc.). The version I have is quite old (v3.1, I think) but runs fine in Windows 10. I must have paid for this originally, and there have been v4 and v5 thereafter. If you?d like to try it I?ll happily send you a copy on CDrom. Plus all the clipart, additional fonts, media, etc on a second disk.? If you like it when you try it, I leave it to your conscience whether to purchase it or the later versions for yourself. But suffice to say, although this version invites you to register it, it runs fully without doing so. N. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 On 6 Jan 2022, at 21:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ?I never use label templates, even if they are available. I use the page layout features of my word processor. I start my making a grid defining the layout of the labels, starting by using measurements from the sheet of labels. ?Then I print it and hold it against a window with a sheet of labels carefully aligned with it. ?I the light shining through makes it easy to see if any of the guidelines need nudging one way out the other. Once I?ve got a sheet which aligns correctly, I then draw lines about 2mm either side of each guideline. ?This gives me a safe margin to work within. All lay-out and tweaking is done using the arrow keys or entering dimensions into dialogue boxes - I never move elements with the mouse as it?s not necessarily a repeatable movement. ?If your page layout offers layers, use layers to separate guides, outlines and the wanted text. Then I create a grid of text boxes to exactly fit those guides, lock them into place and everything so far created is put not a layer which can be hidden. ?Otherwise the guides can be grouped together and turned white before printing. The text and any graphics for the labels can be typed in the usual way, but it automatically snaps into place because of the carefully aligned text boxes. The great advantage of working this way is you can choose how much of a safety margin you need. To a certain extent that will depend on how repeatedly your printer feeds each sheet of ?labels. ?For tiny labels, like the ones I used to stick on DAT tapes, the margins can be kept very narrow so that you can print more text in the limited space. Instead of creating margins, an alternative is to define the white space around the text in the text box, but that might require a basic understanding of typesetting terminology. When I think I?ve got it right, I print a copy to plain paper and again hold that and a sheet of labels against the light to check alignment. ?It?s also important to feed the labels into the printer in the same orientation, some sheets of labels have wider margins at the top to the bottom. Doing dummy runs on plain paper saves wasting expensive labels. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Jan 7 07:34:41 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:34:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels Message-ID: True, Chris, but I?m a creature of habit, and have a folder of labels made over many years with Label Factory, that I often want to re-use. Ditto, a large collection of CD and DVD labels made in AMF CD & DVD Label Maker, or Canon?s own CD Label Print. For jobs like that I find a standalone program convenient. Where does Sara sell her jams, and in particular does she make marmalade? I have a passion for marmalade that?s not full of gelling agents and preservatives, etc. Whenever daughter Ellie stays at her fiance?s family apartment in Pentire*, she always brings me back a couple of jars of the most fabulous farmer?s market marmalade. OK, admittedly oranges aren?t local produce, but the marmalade is. Sadly, the maker has declined to sell it to me by post (fear of breakages, etc.). *decide.creamed.trudges Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > On 7 Jan 2022, at 12:37, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > ?Am I stating the obvious ... that if you use Word you can create pages of labels in every format known to man - Avery US, Avery A4, and a thousand other brands. You can produce straightforward labels using this system, including mail merges. > > If you want ultimate pretty versions with borders, pictures etc then you can use MS Publisher to do it. Again every label format is available. I use that to produce laser colour printed jam labels for Sara, with pictures of each fruit. > > And the same goes for Libre Office... > > Can't imagine why anyone would struggle to do anything else. > > Chris Woolf > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Fri Jan 7 08:12:36 2022 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 14:12:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vuescan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Dave, I too use Vuescan on 64bit Linux Mint, but I don't have a Canoscan 9950F. According to the web site it is supported. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 07/01/2022 12:45, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > But it is supported by Microsoft and/or Vuescan for Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 and 11, Dave, or Mac OSX (though that?s uncharted territory to me!), so if you have the scanner, why Linux? > (Is Linux-user the computer-geek equivalent of anti-vaxxer? - Oops, controversial!) ? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 7 Jan 2022, at 00:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?PS. to the printer saga, I have a superb Canon scanner (Canoscan 9950F) which Vuescan don't have a driver for so I can't use it with Linux! Duh! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Jan 7 08:22:46 2022 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2022 14:22:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vuescan Message-ID: Yes, but only for Windows operating systems. Doug On 7 January 2022, at 14:12, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote: Dear Dave, I too use Vuescan on 64bit Linux Mint, but I don't have a Canoscan 9950F. According to the web site it is supported. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 07/01/2022 12:45, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > But it is supported by Microsoft and/or Vuescan for Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 and 11, Dave, or Mac OSX (though that?s uncharted territory to me!), so if you have the scanner, why Linux? > (Is Linux-user the computer-geek equivalent of anti-vaxxer? - Oops, controversial!) ? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 7 Jan 2022, at 00:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?PS. to the printer saga, I have a superb Canon scanner (Canoscan 9950F) which Vuescan don't have a driver for so I can't use it with Linux! Duh! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 7 08:23:08 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 14:23:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Marmalade Message-ID: <022ACC78-8F53-4B7A-8BAF-F50A083FF6FA@me.com> If you like proper marmalade try making your own, it?s really easy and the very short season for Seville oranges is about to happen. Apart from the oranges and a couple of lemons, the only other thing we add is sugar. Equipment wise you need a big saucepan and maybe a thermometer. A relatively cheap digital probe thermometer works really well. Instead of a thermometer you can use a plate which has been kept in the freezer and test the set putting a drop of marmalade on that plate. When you?ve made it a few times, you can judge when it?s nearly ready from how gloopy it is in the pan. We find that 2kg of oranges makes more than enough for our annual consumption, but 5kg makes enough to cover giveaways which are very popular. In our village, if somebody does a favour to somebody, they get repaid in home made stuff, fresh eggs or various treats. If anybody wants the recipe we use, just ask. The secret to making crystal clear marmalade is to squeeze out the juice and then separate all the membranes and pips before shredding the skins and pith. The membranes and pips go in a muslin bag which is boiled with the juice and shreds and then removed and the juices squeezed back into the pan. They provide the natural pectin which makes it set. The only other trick is to boil it fiercely once the sugar has been added. You need to reach 105?C ASAP and should use the biggest burner, or on an induction hob, use the boost button. Don?t make huge batches unless you have a hugely powerful cooker as it won?t heat up fast enough, it?s better to make two smaller batches and boil them quicker. Alan Taylor > On 7 Jan 2022, at 13:35, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?True, Chris, but I?m a creature of habit, and have a folder of labels made over many years with Label Factory, that I often want to re-use. Ditto, a large collection of CD and DVD labels made in AMF CD & DVD Label Maker, or Canon?s own CD Label Print. > For jobs like that I find a standalone program convenient. > Where does Sara sell her jams, and in particular does she make marmalade? I have a passion for marmalade that?s not full of gelling agents and preservatives, etc. > Whenever daughter Ellie stays at her fiance?s family apartment in Pentire*, she always brings me back a couple of jars of the most fabulous farmer?s market marmalade. OK, admittedly oranges aren?t local produce, but the marmalade is. Sadly, the maker has declined to sell it to me by post (fear of breakages, etc.). > *decide.creamed.trudges > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 7 Jan 2022, at 12:37, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Am I stating the obvious ... that if you use Word you can create pages of labels in every format known to man - Avery US, Avery A4, and a thousand other brands. You can produce straightforward labels using this system, including mail merges. >> >> If you want ultimate pretty versions with borders, pictures etc then you can use MS Publisher to do it. Again every label format is available. I use that to produce laser colour printed jam labels for Sara, with pictures of each fruit. >> >> And the same goes for Libre Office... >> >> Can't imagine why anyone would struggle to do anything else. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Jan 7 08:27:30 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 14:27:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 07/01/2022 13:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > True, Chris, but I?m a creature of habit... No argument with that - just that anyone starting out would be daft not to use what is already there. > Where does Sara sell her jams, She doesn't bother now - just gives stuff away to friends. > ..and in particular does she make marmalade? I have a passion for marmalade that?s not full of gelling agents and preservatives, etc. Oh yes! I'm in agreement there. She makes about 50 pots for a year, most of which I eat - decent thick cut stuff and no extras whatsoever. She wrote the National Trust book on such things (and many others). https://www.abebooks.co.uk/products/isbn/9781905400706? The recipe is in there;} Chris > Whenever daughter Ellie stays at her fiance?s family apartment in Pentire*, she always brings me back a couple of jars of the most fabulous farmer?s market marmalade. OK, admittedly oranges aren?t local produce, but the marmalade is. Sadly, the maker has declined to sell it to me by post (fear of breakages, etc.). > *decide.creamed.trudges > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 7 Jan 2022, at 12:37, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Am I stating the obvious ... that if you use Word you can create pages of labels in every format known to man - Avery US, Avery A4, and a thousand other brands. You can produce straightforward labels using this system, including mail merges. >> >> If you want ultimate pretty versions with borders, pictures etc then you can use MS Publisher to do it. Again every label format is available. I use that to produce laser colour printed jam labels for Sara, with pictures of each fruit. >> >> And the same goes for Libre Office... >> >> Can't imagine why anyone would struggle to do anything else. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 7 11:40:25 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 17:40:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61d87b08.1c69fb81.eabe5.9b19@mx.google.com> Marmalade: Should we call you Paddington, now, Nick? I?m fond of Frank Coopers Oxford, and staying in an Oxford hotel, there was the usual breakfast basket of preserves on the table ? but no marmalade! I took this up with our waitress who silently pointed to a table in the corner, holding the biggest stone jar of Oxford marmalade I?d ever seen! Black Cherry Jam: Driving through Switzerland on holiday, I stopped in a small village, intent on purchasing some black cherry jam. Asking in my best available French (that being the local language) for two jars, the lass took down the last jar off the shelf, murmured ?moment?, disappeared and re-appeared, saying in perfect English; ?I?m awfully sorry, that?s the last jar we have!? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 07 January 2022 13:34 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Printers and Avery labels I have a passion for marmalade that?s not full of gelling agents and preservatives, etc. Whenever daughter Ellie stays at her fiance?s family apartment in Pentire*, she always brings me back a couple of jars of the most fabulous farmer?s market marmalade. OK, admittedly oranges aren?t local produce, but the marmalade is. Sadly, the maker has declined to sell it to me by post (fear of breakages, etc.). *decide.creamed.trudges Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Jan 8 12:22:34 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 18:22:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canoscan 9950F In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b3f8514-2938-305a-ff0f-88a2c8decc85@btinternet.com> Yes, I have the Windows drivers for it but I like the look of Linux colours and fonts and it is very similar to W7 which I use. It has a good audio player and a good image program and it is free (!) and less likely to be hacked or scammed! The Parisien Gendarmerie went over to Linux years ago as did many other big companies who were sick of Bill Gates's empire constantly changing OS's and charging for them. Needless to say I use W7, my wife's laptop has W8.1, which I don't like. Cheers, Dave On 07/01/2022 12:45, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > But it is supported by Microsoft and/or Vuescan for Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 and 11, Dave, or Mac OSX (though that?s uncharted territory to me!), so if you have the scanner, why Linux? > (Is Linux-user the computer-geek equivalent of anti-vaxxer? - Oops, controversial!) ? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 7 Jan 2022, at 00:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?PS. to the printer saga, I have a superb Canon scanner (Canoscan 9950F) which Vuescan don't have a driver for so I can't use it with Linux! Duh! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Jan 8 14:26:56 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 20:26:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Canoscan 9950F In-Reply-To: <4b3f8514-2938-305a-ff0f-88a2c8decc85@btinternet.com> References: <4b3f8514-2938-305a-ff0f-88a2c8decc85@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2e909564-e79b-05a9-8a28-30a696ac353f@gmail.com> Can I just ask... This Canoscan thing is, I think, ancient. I looked it up on the Canon site - Is it somehow super special? Wouldn't an up to date printer/scanner do a perfectly good job without all this driver hunting? B On 08/01/2022 18:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, I have the Windows drivers for it but I like the look of Linux > colours and fonts and it is very similar to W7 which I use. It has a > good audio player and a good image program and it is free (!) and less > likely to be hacked or scammed! The Parisien Gendarmerie went over to > Linux years ago as did many other big companies who were sick of Bill > Gates's empire constantly changing OS's and charging for them. > Needless to say I use W7, my wife's laptop has W8.1, which I don't > like. 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I'd seen TV news before going to bed, and no mention of this, although the Djokovic thingie was covered I expected to get the full story on the news today - but nothing on R4. From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sun Jan 9 05:56:55 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 11:56:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] World Service and Djokovic. In-Reply-To: <2638c4ab-acd1-7fbd-23d8-91866801de4e@btinternet.com> References: <2638c4ab-acd1-7fbd-23d8-91866801de4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On 09/01/2022 11:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > Heard the 1am news while fully awake. They led with a story about > Djokovic claiming to having been tested positive on (IIRC) the 18th > December. .... > I expected to get the full story on the news today - but nothing on R4. It was well covered on Paddy's 9:00 programme... Chris Woolf > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 9 06:04:58 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 12:04:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] World Service and Djokovic. In-Reply-To: References: <2638c4ab-acd1-7fbd-23d8-91866801de4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Ah - didn't hear all of that as was in the shower. On 09/01/2022 11:56, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > On 09/01/2022 11:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Heard the 1am news while fully awake. They led with a story about >> Djokovic claiming to having been tested positive on (IIRC) the 18th >> December. .... >> I expected to get the full story on the news today - but nothing on R4. > > It was well covered on Paddy's 9:00 programme... > > Chris Woolf > > >> >> > From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 9 14:39:24 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 20:39:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Derek Nash Message-ID: Has anyone got current contact details for Derek Nash, please? The ones I used last year don?t seem to be working. Mike G From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun Jan 9 15:14:31 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2022 21:14:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Derek Nash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mike, Try dereknashsax at me.com I worked with several times over the last year. If this does not work , let me know and I will check with BT Sport sound bookings. Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 9 January 2022 20:39 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: mibridge at mac.com Subject: [Tech1] Derek Nash Has anyone got current contact details for Derek Nash, please? The ones I used last year don?t seem to be working. Mike G -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 10 05:16:42 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 11:16:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. Message-ID: Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Jan 10 05:27:07 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 11:27:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> References: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> Message-ID: Quite. Perhaps MPs don't know about the wireless. But that wasn't my question. Here's an anorak question about the R4 version. Exactly when do you start it so it ends nicely just before the pips? It will be 00:59:XX On 10/01/2022 11:20, Martin Dilly via Tech1 wrote: > > They do; 0058 every night after the shipping forecast. > > On 10/01/2022 11:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. >> >> Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. >> >> The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. >> >> Is there a gag there I'm missing? >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 05:29:52 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 11:29:52 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006596EC629444B6B505546DEC999429@0023242e4e14> The MP has been banging that same drum for many years. The Newsnight piece was the last time it got so vocal. In 2018. Yet here he is again four years on doing the same one-note suggestion. From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 11:16 AM To: TechOps Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. Is there a gag there I'm missing? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 10 06:07:12 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:07:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> References: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61dc2170.1c69fb81.aba7e.75e7@mx.google.com> Well said, Martin. Obviously the MP was an useless individual, for not knowing. Sadly, all too prevalent in those that get elected. Needing a recording of the National Anthem for a dramatic production, I was able to grab it off R4. Somehow it?s reassuring to hear it with the chimes of Big Ben, as well! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Martin Dilly via Tech1 Sent: 10 January 2022 11:20 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. They do; 0058 every night after the shipping forecast. On 10/01/2022 11:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. Is there a gag there I'm missing? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 10 06:49:11 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:49:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: <006596EC629444B6B505546DEC999429@0023242e4e14> References: <006596EC629444B6B505546DEC999429@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <02261119-6496-a3c3-6bd5-967b95947497@btinternet.com> Ah. Thanks David. On 10/01/2022 11:29, David Brunt wrote: > The MP has been banging that same drum for many years. > > The Newsnight piece was the last time it got so vocal. In 2018. > > Yet here he is again four years on doing the same one-note suggestion. > > > *From:* Dave Plowman via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, January 10, 2022 11:16 AM > *To:* TechOps > *Subject:* [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. > > Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. > > Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. > > The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. > > Is there a gag there I'm missing? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Mon Jan 10 06:54:30 2022 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:54:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: <61dc2170.1c69fb81.aba7e.75e7@mx.google.com> References: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> <61dc2170.1c69fb81.aba7e.75e7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <42a20dbb-7a6a-be83-1892-78f71c1a127a@sky.com> The Roman date reads 2016, not 2018 unless it means 2016 (to) 2018! Perhaps this is the gag! Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 10 07:26:20 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 13:26:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: <61dc2170.1c69fb81.aba7e.75e7@mx.google.com> References: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> <61dc2170.1c69fb81.aba7e.75e7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Quite. Perhaps MPs don't know about the wireless. But that wasn't my question. Here's an anorak question about the R4 version. Exactly when do you start it so it ends nicely just before the pips? It will be 00:59:XX On 10/01/2022 11:20, Martin Dilly via Tech1 wrote: > > They do; 0058 every night after the shipping forecast. > > On 10/01/2022 11:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. >> >> Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. >> >> The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. >> >> Is there a gag there I'm missing? >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 10 07:54:07 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 13:54:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: References: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> <61dc2170.1c69fb81.aba7e.75e7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <61dc3a7e.1c69fb81.b2236.9f02@mx.google.com> It?s called ?back-timing? Dave. Once you know how long it is, then it?s cued that much in advance. Did that procedure many times as a Gram op on sig tunes! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 10 January 2022 13:26 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. Here's an anorak question about the R4 version. Exactly when do you start it so it ends nicely just before the pips? It will be 00:59:XX On 10/01/2022 11:20, Martin Dilly via Tech1 wrote: They do; 0058 every night after the shipping forecast. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 10:53:23 2022 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:53:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> References: <835cc6ca-599a-be1f-0fbf-cbeefb762adb@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2018? It's not a gag that is missing! It's two IIs on the MMXVI. KW On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 at 11:20, Martin Dilly via Tech1 wrote: > They do; 0058 every night after the shipping forecast. > On 10/01/2022 11:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. > > Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. > > The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. > > Is there a gag there I'm missing? > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 10 15:10:23 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:10:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you ask Alexa to play God Save The Queen, the Sex Pustols is what you get. We live in very strange times! Try it. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 On 10 Jan 2022, at 11:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: ? Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. Is there a gag there I'm missing? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Jan 11 04:23:28 2022 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:23:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. Message-ID: I got it by Queen Doug On 10 January 2022, at 21:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: If you ask Alexa to play God Save The Queen, the Sex Pustols is what you get. We live in very strange times! Try it. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 On 10 Jan 2022, at 11:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: ? Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. Is there a gag there I'm missing? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Jan 11 04:36:00 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:36:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9048f7fa-d4af-50a4-24c8-96f0efd1a967@btinternet.com> Alexa is probably right. You'd have to ask it for the UK National Anthem. You'd then get 'you'll never walk alone'? On 11/01/2022 10:23, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > > I got it by Queen > > Doug > > > > On 10 January 2022, at 21:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > > If you ask Alexa to play God Save The Queen, the Sex Pustols is what > you get. > We live in very strange times! > Try it. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 10 Jan 2022, at 11:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. >> >> Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. >> >> The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. >> >> Is there a gag there I'm missing? >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Jan 11 04:37:24 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:37:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: <9048f7fa-d4af-50a4-24c8-96f0efd1a967@btinternet.com> References: <9048f7fa-d4af-50a4-24c8-96f0efd1a967@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <378FBB5C-2A77-4A34-AE2D-45DEE17A9E74@icloud.com> Not ?Jerusalem?? ? Graeme Wall > On 11 Jan 2022, at 10:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Alexa is probably right. You'd have to ask it for the UK National Anthem. You'd then get 'you'll never walk alone'? > > On 11/01/2022 10:23, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I got it by Queen >> >> Doug >> >> >> >> On 10 January 2022, at 21:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> If you ask Alexa to play God Save The Queen, the Sex Pustols is what you get. >> We live in very strange times! >> Try it. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >> >>> On 10 Jan 2022, at 11:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. >>> >>> Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. >>> >>> The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. >>> >>> Is there a gag there I'm missing? >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Jan 11 04:45:30 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:45:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsnight -God save the Queen. In-Reply-To: <378FBB5C-2A77-4A34-AE2D-45DEE17A9E74@icloud.com> References: <9048f7fa-d4af-50a4-24c8-96f0efd1a967@btinternet.com> <378FBB5C-2A77-4A34-AE2D-45DEE17A9E74@icloud.com> Message-ID: <0b955708-d5b6-f2ca-b898-9da339138adf@btinternet.com> Does The Mail make Alexas? On 11/01/2022 10:37, Graeme Wall wrote: > Not ?Jerusalem?? > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 11 Jan 2022, at 10:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Alexa is probably right. You'd have to ask it for the UK National Anthem. You'd then get 'you'll never walk alone'? >> >> On 11/01/2022 10:23, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >>> I got it by Queen >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10 January 2022, at 21:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> If you ask Alexa to play God Save The Queen, the Sex Pustols is what you get. >>> We live in very strange times! >>> Try it. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >>> >>>> On 10 Jan 2022, at 11:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Recently, an MP said the BBC should play the national anthem every day. >>>> >>>> Newsnight, as a spoof, signed off with the Sex Pistols version. >>>> >>>> The date at the end of the roller was MMXVI - 2018. >>>> >>>> Is there a gag there I'm missing? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 11 14:49:40 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 20:49:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-bay Message-ID: <2b90560e-3c7a-3b1c-d955-bbaf1766846b@btinternet.com> My newly ordered printer was despatched on Jan.6th. and last night, at 2346 I got a e-mail from E-Bay to tell me that my printer had been delivered to my address at 0934 that morning, as I was sitting in my study at the front of the house - I must have failed to spot a bright red Parcel Force van outside my house and a man carrying a large heavy box and leaving it in my porch. I also missed seeing the opportunist passer-by who removed it and disappeared with it. On the other hand, perhaps it was never delivered! Parcel Force are investigating! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 11 15:13:39 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:13:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles Message-ID: Today, Virgin stopped their PAYG service which my wife's small Nokia C5 was using. She gets lots of medical alerts etc from various hospital departments on it so it was imperative to keep her number. Virgin offered three solutions. One was to change to their monthly contract, secondly to move to their partner company, o2, to continue with a PAYG service, or thirdly to go to an o2 monthly contract. After waiting 25 minutes on a 789 call from the C5 to Virgin I got through to an Indian lady and after a great deal of difficulty understanding her accent managed to change to a Virgin 12 month contract for ?6/mth. - starting immediately. My wife still had ?16 credit on the PAYG scheme which was taken towards the new deal. She usually bought a top-up till voucher from our local shop for ?20 every two months so all-in-all we should be better off with a DD from the bank rather than buying vouchers over the counter. An added benefit is that IF we ever go abroad again Virgin and o2 won't charge 'Roaming Charges'! Cheers, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 16:02:05 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:02:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96c8876f-64f9-a4fe-c8d2-7d8a256b167c@gmail.com> ?6 per month is a very good price. If she decides to get a modern phone, can I suggest one of the Motorolas,? maybe the E30.?? Back in last spring I finally persuaded a friend to ditch his and hers ancient Nokias and buy the Moto G4, and he's been going on about it ever since. Can't get that one now, but this is a successor. B On 11/01/2022 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Today, Virgin stopped their PAYG service which my wife's small Nokia > C5 was using. She gets lots of medical alerts etc from various > hospital departments on it so it was imperative to keep her number. > Virgin offered three solutions. One was to change to their monthly > contract, secondly to move to their partner company, o2, to continue > with a PAYG service, or thirdly to go to an o2 monthly contract. After > waiting 25 minutes on a 789 call from the C5 to Virgin I got through > to an Indian lady and after a great deal of difficulty understanding > her accent managed to change to a Virgin 12 month contract for ?6/mth. > - starting immediately. My wife still had ?16 credit on the PAYG > scheme which was taken towards the new deal. She usually bought a > top-up till voucher from our local shop for ?20 every two months so > all-in-all we should be better off with a DD from the bank rather than > buying vouchers over the counter. 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Name: Why Canadians Live In Arizona In The Winter-1.m4v Type: video/x-m4v Size: 5715729 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Jan 11 16:20:13 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 22:20:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles In-Reply-To: <96c8876f-64f9-a4fe-c8d2-7d8a256b167c@gmail.com> References: <96c8876f-64f9-a4fe-c8d2-7d8a256b167c@gmail.com> Message-ID: I?ve been with GiffGaff ( part of the O2 network ) on a SIM only deal for the last ten years and it?s been excellent. I pay ?6 per month for 1Gb data with unlimited calls and texts. There?s no contract, you can just use it for a month if you want. When we go to a Germany and get through a lot more data, I shift to a different plan with more data and then drop back when we get home. Another thing which is good with GG is that every month they send an email explaining if you would do better on a different deal - including telling you if you should switch to a cheaper deal. One unusual aspect is that they don?t have support staff, but instead there is an active user group. If you encounter a problem, somebody will suggest the solution. They hurry to answer well because the best answers win credits. Alan Taylor > On 11 Jan 2022, at 22:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? ?6 per month is a very good price. > > If she decides to get a modern phone, can I suggest one of the Motorolas, maybe the E30. Back in last spring I finally persuaded a friend to ditch his and hers ancient Nokias and buy the Moto G4, and he's been going on about it ever since. Can't get that one now, but this is a successor. > > B > > > > On 11/01/2022 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> Today, Virgin stopped their PAYG service which my wife's small Nokia C5 was using. She gets lots of medical alerts etc from various hospital departments on it so it was imperative to keep her number. Virgin offered three solutions. One was to change to their monthly contract, secondly to move to their partner company, o2, to continue with a PAYG service, or thirdly to go to an o2 monthly contract. After waiting 25 minutes on a 789 call from the C5 to Virgin I got through to an Indian lady and after a great deal of difficulty understanding her accent managed to change to a Virgin 12 month contract for ?6/mth. - starting immediately. My wife still had ?16 credit on the PAYG scheme which was taken towards the new deal. She usually bought a top-up till voucher from our local shop for ?20 every two months so all-in-all we should be better off with a DD from the bank rather than buying vouchers over the counter. An added benefit is that IF we ever go abroad again Virgin and o2 won't charge 'Roaming Charges'! Cheers, Dave >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She gets lots of medical alerts etc from various > hospital departments on it so it was imperative to keep her number. > Virgin offered three solutions. One was to change to their monthly > contract, secondly to move to their partner company, o2, to continue > with a PAYG service, or thirdly to go to an o2 monthly contract. After > waiting 25 minutes on a 789 call from the C5 to Virgin I got through > to an Indian lady and after a great deal of difficulty understanding > her accent managed to change to a Virgin 12 month contract for ?6/mth. > - starting immediately. My wife still had ?16 credit on the PAYG > scheme which was taken towards the new deal. She usually bought a > top-up till voucher from our local shop for ?20 every two months so > all-in-all we should be better off with a DD from the bank rather than > buying vouchers over the counter. An added benefit is that IF we ever > go abroad again Virgin and o2 won't charge 'Roaming Charges'! Cheers, > Dave > > From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Wed Jan 12 04:10:57 2022 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:10:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles Message-ID: <18467E8B-F61C-4068-B1D5-5A814E060993@vincent68.plus.com> I too had my Virgin PAYG disconnected. Impossible to get through to a human being to discuss. Website a pain to get on with annoying I am not a robot American pictures to tick. Bit of research got me to 1pmobile PAYG. 1p a minute calls and 1p texts.so long as you top up ?10 every 3 months. That?s ?3.33 a month. Ordered Monday afternoon and Sim arrived next day. Old number ported over yesterday. Since fully retiring my mobile use is very low so this is a good deal for me. John V From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 12 04:28:00 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:28:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-bay In-Reply-To: <2b90560e-3c7a-3b1c-d955-bbaf1766846b@btinternet.com> References: <2b90560e-3c7a-3b1c-d955-bbaf1766846b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61dead30.1c69fb81.e5fc.5985@mx.google.com> That?s bad news if your parcel was lifted, Dave. Maybe you need one of these cheap CCTV cameras. Where I live, deliveries are pretty good, except that recently, my neighbour in a different block and I both had a delivery from the same drop ? yes, the driver mixed them up! However all was sorted out between us. I?m in an upstairs flat, so anything left on my doorstep is not visible from street level. My neighbour in the adjacent flat on the same floor and I are happy to take in parcels if either of us happens to be out. However, I get more annoyed and paranoid when the aggressive marketing departments continually bombard me with ?recommendations? after I?ve ordered something on-line. It?s late for 1984, but our lives are being brain-washed and taken over by this electronic age. Read ?The Store? by James Patterson ? a grim comment on the insidious way this is happening. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 11 January 2022 20:49 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] E-bay My newly ordered printer was despatched on Jan.6th. and last night, at 2346 I got a e-mail from E-Bay to tell me that my printer had been delivered to my address at 0934 that morning, as I was sitting in my study at the front of the house - I must have failed to spot a bright red Parcel Force van outside my house and a man carrying a large heavy box and leaving it in my porch. I also missed seeing the opportunist passer-by who removed it and disappeared with it. On the other hand, perhaps it was never delivered! Parcel Force are investigating! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Jan 12 04:53:44 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:53:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-bay In-Reply-To: <61dead30.1c69fb81.e5fc.5985@mx.google.com> References: <61dead30.1c69fb81.e5fc.5985@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7D754D3B-A00C-4430-A0F7-CA6A496B335A@me.com> > > On 12 Jan 2022, at 10:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > However, I get more annoyed and paranoid when the aggressive marketing departments continually bombard me with ?recommendations? after I?ve ordered something on-line. > It?s late for 1984, but our lives are being brain-washed and taken over by this electronic age. Read ?The Store? by James Patterson ? a grim comment on the insidious way this is happening. > Pat > > For marketing emails with companies which you have dealt with, ?unsubscribe? seems to work. They are obliged to remove you from their lists and it works well for me. When ordering online, make sure you always select the option not to be included in mail shots. On the other hand, unsolicited spam emails should not be unsubscribed as you?re confirming that the address is valid. If any company keeps sending unwanted email, using the filtering options in your mail system should completely eliminate their emails. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 12 05:04:05 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 11:04:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles In-Reply-To: <18467E8B-F61C-4068-B1D5-5A814E060993@vincent68.plus.com> References: <18467E8B-F61C-4068-B1D5-5A814E060993@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: <61deb5a4.1c69fb81.93ae5.f9e0@mx.google.com> Not being a smartphone aficionado, I have a small Sony cellphone, really only for calling the car emergency service in the case of a breakdown, or problem with the vehicle (it Bluetooths to the car?s audio system which is great!) I use Vodafone?s PAYG, and only need a ?10 top-up infrequently, so I was startled when Vodafone threatened to cut off my service unless I (a) made a call, or (b) topped up. This is a bullying sales tactic, which is deplorable! However, I still marvel at the technology which enabled me, on a shoot for NBC Sports, to talk to the edit suite in New York, from the original Olympia in Greece, to find out exactly the sort of shots they wanted. Sony is pushing a facility on their latest cameras, that of uploading footage direct to a cloud-based server, to which the edit suite can access, even while still shooting! (Goes to lie-down in a darkened room!). Working with various American productions on Sports stuff, we found that a ?pound of flesh? attitude often prevailed ? like not stopping for lunch (Nah! Lunch is for wimps! Immediately all our hands shot up ? ?We?re wimps! We?re wimps!?). But ABC and NBC were remarkably generous with 5* accommodation and feeding when we did break! (But the US staff had to be educated in the delights of European cuisine!). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: crew13 via Tech1 Sent: 12 January 2022 10:11 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles I too had my Virgin PAYG disconnected. Impossible to get through to a human being to discuss. Website a pain to get on with annoying I am not a robot American pictures to tick. Bit of research got me to 1pmobile PAYG. 1p a minute calls and 1p texts.so long as you top up ?10 every 3 months. That?s ?3.33 a month. Ordered Monday afternoon and Sim arrived next day. Old number ported over yesterday. Since fully retiring my mobile use is very low so this is a good deal for me. John V -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Jan 12 07:09:22 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 13:09:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles In-Reply-To: <61deb5a4.1c69fb81.93ae5.f9e0@mx.google.com> References: <18467E8B-F61C-4068-B1D5-5A814E060993@vincent68.plus.com> <61deb5a4.1c69fb81.93ae5.f9e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: First bought a smart phone to get a half decent camera. And the one on my current one quite remarkable. And then there's contactless payment - no need to also carry a wallet. And the satnav. And so on. I only go for new technology where I can see the benefit of it for me, though. On 12/01/2022 11:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Not being a smartphone aficionado, I have a small Sony cellphone, > really only for calling the car emergency service in the case of a > breakdown, or problem with the vehicle (it Bluetooths to the car?s > audio system which is great!) I use Vodafone?s PAYG, and only need a > ?10 top-up infrequently, so I was startled when Vodafone threatened to > cut off my service unless I (a) made a call, or (b) topped up. This is > a bullying sales tactic, which is deplorable! > > However, I still marvel at the technology which enabled me, on a shoot > for NBC Sports, to talk to the edit suite in New York, from the > original Olympia in Greece, ?to find out exactly the sort of shots > they wanted. > > Sony is pushing a facility on their latest cameras, that of uploading > footage direct to a cloud-based server, to which the edit suite can > access, even while still shooting! > > (Goes to lie-down in a darkened room!). > > Working with various American productions on Sports stuff, we found > that a ?pound of flesh? attitude often prevailed ? like not stopping > for lunch (Nah! Lunch is for wimps! Immediately all our hands shot up > ? ?We?re wimps! We?re wimps!?). But ABC and NBC were remarkably > generous with 5* accommodation and feeding when we _did_ break! (But > the US staff had to be educated in the delights of European cuisine!). > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > *From: *crew13 via Tech1 > *Sent: *12 January 2022 10:11 > *To: *Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Mobiles > > I too had my Virgin PAYG disconnected. Impossible to get through to a > human being to discuss. Website a pain to get on with annoying I am > not a robot American pictures to tick. > > Bit of research got me to 1pmobile PAYG. 1p a minute calls and 1p > texts.so long as you top up ?10 every 3 months. That?s ?3.33 a month. > > Ordered Monday afternoon and Sim arrived next day. Old number ported > over yesterday. > > Since fully retiring my mobile use is very low so this is a good deal > for me. > > John V > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Wed Jan 12 07:11:14 2022 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 13:11:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles In-Reply-To: <61deb5a4.1c69fb81.93ae5.f9e0@mx.google.com> References: <61deb5a4.1c69fb81.93ae5.f9e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Far be it from me to defend Vodafone, it didn?t take them long to re-introduce roaming charges, but it could be that they get clogged up with abandoned ?accounts? that are used as burners by scammers or just abandoned. A one off call every six months or a year isn?t too much of a financial burden as a ?keep alive?? Similar requirement from Skype iirc; I havent heard that name for a while but it appears to be functioning still! Peter Fox On 12 Jan 2022, at 11:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Not being a smartphone aficionado, I have a small Sony cellphone, really only for calling the car emergency service in the case of a breakdown, or problem with the vehicle (it Bluetooths to the car?s audio system which is great!) I use Vodafone?s PAYG, and only need a ?10 top-up infrequently, so I was startled when Vodafone threatened to cut off my service unless I (a) made a call, or (b) topped up. This is a bullying sales tactic, which is deplorable! However, I still marvel at the technology which enabled me, on a shoot for NBC Sports, to talk to the edit suite in New York, from the original Olympia in Greece, to find out exactly the sort of shots they wanted. Sony is pushing a facility on their latest cameras, that of uploading footage direct to a cloud-based server, to which the edit suite can access, even while still shooting! (Goes to lie-down in a darkened room!). Working with various American productions on Sports stuff, we found that a ?pound of flesh? attitude often prevailed ? like not stopping for lunch (Nah! Lunch is for wimps! Immediately all our hands shot up ? ?We?re wimps! We?re wimps!?). But ABC and NBC were remarkably generous with 5* accommodation and feeding when we did break! (But the US staff had to be educated in the delights of European cuisine!). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: crew13 via Tech1 Sent: 12 January 2022 10:11 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles I too had my Virgin PAYG disconnected. Impossible to get through to a human being to discuss. Website a pain to get on with annoying I am not a robot American pictures to tick. Bit of research got me to 1pmobile PAYG. 1p a minute calls and 1p texts.so long as you top up ?10 every 3 months. That?s ?3.33 a month From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 07:13:29 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 13:13:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles In-Reply-To: <61deb5a4.1c69fb81.93ae5.f9e0@mx.google.com> References: <18467E8B-F61C-4068-B1D5-5A814E060993@vincent68.plus.com> <61deb5a4.1c69fb81.93ae5.f9e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I mentioned my friend who I persuaded to buy a smartphone. He really hadn't worked out that they aren't phones, they're small computers that happen, from time to time, to make and receive phone calls. Mine is in use a lot, but phone calls are rare. Currently I'm writing this email, but this morning it's been used for a whole range of things that have nothing to do with phoning. I said to John "It's a small computer" but it was only when he finally bought one that he understood. Sent from my OnePlus 7T B On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, 11:04 patheigham via Tech1, wrote: > Not being a smartphone aficionado, I have a small Sony cellphone, really > only for calling the car emergency service in the case of a breakdown, or > problem with the vehicle (it Bluetooths to the car?s audio system which is > great!) I use Vodafone?s PAYG, and only need a ?10 top-up infrequently, so > I was startled when Vodafone threatened to cut off my service unless I (a) > made a call, or (b) topped up. This is a bullying sales tactic, which is > deplorable! > > > > However, I still marvel at the technology which enabled me, on a shoot for > NBC Sports, to talk to the edit suite in New York, from the original > Olympia in Greece, to find out exactly the sort of shots they wanted. > > Sony is pushing a facility on their latest cameras, that of uploading > footage direct to a cloud-based server, to which the edit suite can access, > even while still shooting! > > (Goes to lie-down in a darkened room!). > > > > Working with various American productions on Sports stuff, we found that > a ?pound of flesh? attitude often prevailed ? like not stopping for lunch > (Nah! Lunch is for wimps! Immediately all our hands shot up ? ?We?re wimps! > We?re wimps!?). But ABC and NBC were remarkably generous with 5* > accommodation and feeding when we *did* break! (But the US staff had to > be educated in the delights of European cuisine!). > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > *From: *crew13 via Tech1 > *Sent: *12 January 2022 10:11 > *To: *Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Mobiles > > > > I too had my Virgin PAYG disconnected. Impossible to get through to a > human being to discuss. Website a pain to get on with annoying I am not a > robot American pictures to tick. > > > > Bit of research got me to 1pmobile PAYG. 1p a minute calls and 1p texts.so > long as you top up ?10 every 3 months. That?s ?3.33 a month. > > > > Ordered Monday afternoon and Sim arrived next day. 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URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Jan 12 15:18:19 2022 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 21:18:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles In-Reply-To: <96c8876f-64f9-a4fe-c8d2-7d8a256b167c@gmail.com> References: <96c8876f-64f9-a4fe-c8d2-7d8a256b167c@gmail.com> Message-ID: Worst 'smart' mobile I ever had was a Motorola, completely died less than two months and two years after its purchase, no support from company, outside its guarantee, wouldn't touch them again. 'The irony for mankind is that now a computer program asks a human to prove that they're not a robot.' TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Tuesday, January 11th, 2022 at 22:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > ?6 per month is a very good price. > > If she decides to get a modern phone, can I suggest one of the Motorolas, maybe the E30. Back in last spring I finally persuaded a friend to ditch his and hers ancient Nokias and buy the Moto G4, and he's been going on about it ever since. Can't get that one now, but this is a successor. > > B > > On 11/01/2022 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > >> Today, Virgin stopped their PAYG service which my wife's small Nokia C5 was using. She gets lots of medical alerts etc from various hospital departments on it so it was imperative to keep her number. Virgin offered three solutions. One was to change to their monthly contract, secondly to move to their partner company, o2, to continue with a PAYG service, or thirdly to go to an o2 monthly contract. After waiting 25 minutes on a 789 call from the C5 to Virgin I got through to an Indian lady and after a great deal of difficulty understanding her accent managed to change to a Virgin 12 month contract for ?6/mth. - starting immediately. My wife still had ?16 credit on the PAYG scheme which was taken towards the new deal. She usually bought a top-up till voucher from our local shop for ?20 every two months so all-in-all we should be better off with a DD from the bank rather than buying vouchers over the counter. An added benefit is that IF we ever go abroad again Virgin and o2 won't charge 'Roaming Charges'! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Jan 12 16:39:19 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 22:39:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mobiles In-Reply-To: References: <96c8876f-64f9-a4fe-c8d2-7d8a256b167c@gmail.com> Message-ID: But don?t panic just yet - the computer program that asks a human to prove that they?re not a robot was designed by a human, and so far at least, can only be. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 On 12 Jan 2022, at 21:18, techtone via Tech1 wrote: [snip] 'The irony for mankind is that now a computer program asks a human to prove that they're not a robot.' TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 13 16:07:40 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 22:07:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-bay In-Reply-To: References: <2b90560e-3c7a-3b1c-d955-bbaf1766846b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <33fe07d4-f803-2a76-7e23-4a758fa09aad@btinternet.com> Definitely nothing Mike! I rang Parcel Force on the 10th. and a very helpful lady called Kylie took all the details and I left it with her to sort out. Checking the tracking of the package it left Lincoln on the 6th., arrived in Aldershot depot on the 7th., was sent to an incorrect delivery depot that day, was back in Aldershot the same evening, out for delivery on the 10th. (!), and was 'delivered' to me that morning - except that it wasn't. I then rang Parcel Force. It was collected from somewhere on the 12th., then on route to the hub, sorted and sent to an incorrect delivery depot again! It has been retrieved again and is on it's way to the correct delivery depot - I hope! That's 8 days so far from Lincoln to Surrey. At Christmas I sent all of the family parcels using UPS and they arrived either just under or just over 24 hours later in Somerset, Nottingham and Horncastle. Nuff said! Cheers, Dave ?On 11/01/2022 23:56, Mike Giles wrote: > No doubt your security cameras will reveal all, Dave, or should that be reveal nothing. > > Mike G > >> On 11 Jan 2022, at 20:50, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My newly ordered printer was despatched on Jan.6th. and last night, at 2346 I got a e-mail from E-Bay to tell me that my printer had been delivered to my address at 0934 that morning, as I was sitting in my study at the front of the house - I must have failed to spot a bright red Parcel Force van outside my house and a man carrying a large heavy box and leaving it in my porch. I also missed seeing the opportunist passer-by who removed it and disappeared with it. On the other hand, perhaps it was never delivered! Parcel Force are investigating! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 14 04:33:36 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:33:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-bay In-Reply-To: <33fe07d4-f803-2a76-7e23-4a758fa09aad@btinternet.com> References: <2b90560e-3c7a-3b1c-d955-bbaf1766846b@btinternet.com> <33fe07d4-f803-2a76-7e23-4a758fa09aad@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61e1517f.1c69fb81.0daf.0c5c@mx.google.com> Oh! Dear! Poor you, Dave. Did you order from Amazon, or a separate supplier? The former is pretty good about sorting delivery problems. The carriers that regularly call in my neck of the woods (nr. Leatherhead, Surrey) are excellent, mostly Hermes and DHL. I think Parcel Force, being part of Royal Mail(?) have a problem at the moment. I have not received my subscription Radio Times for the last two weeks, a local sorting office situation I think ? not enough healthy staff to do the ?walks?. I?ve mentioned this before, but in a fit of pre-Christmas abandon, I ordered a 55? Samsung TV, without measuring where I wanted to put it! (Does crap TV look any better on a large screen, than a small one? ? Maybe a larger target to aim the half eaten mince pie at!). Having decided to send it back, not even unpacked, to BT Shop, DHL, which had delivered it, didn?t want to know as it was oversize for an on-line booking. Ditto other carriers ? resorted to Parcel Force, which charged me ?60! My other experience with Amazon, was actually initiated by my bank, which picked up a suspected fraudulent transaction on my Mastercard account. They were on the ball, as I use only Amex for Amazon purchases. The bank cancelled the card, sent me a new one & leant on Amazon to refund the transaction, only ?30 or so, so probably a test to see if it went through, then the fraudsters could mount a heavy attack! Having said that, I am still a bit annoyed at the fact that our lives are dictated by computers ? a useful tool, no doubt, but they take control, like deciding to update apps when I want to get on with doing something else. Why should Jeff Bezos and Gates (or whoever took over from him) assume to control/organise our lives? I am not a smartphone user, do not entertain social media, therefore get left in the cold because I do not conform, lemming-like, to whatever is decreed by these electronic age dictators. Come on 007, get in there and blow up their mountain/undersea/outer space villainous hideouts!! Happy New Year, everyone! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 13 January 2022 22:08 To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] E-bay Definitely nothing Mike! I rang Parcel Force on the 10th. and a very helpful lady called Kylie took all the details and I left it with her to sort out. Checking the tracking of the package it left Lincoln on the 6th., arrived in Aldershot depot on the 7th., was sent to an incorrect delivery depot that day, was back in Aldershot the same evening, out for delivery on the 10th. (!), and was 'delivered' to me that morning - except that it wasn't. I then rang Parcel Force. It was collected from somewhere on the 12th., then on route to the hub, sorted and sent to an incorrect delivery depot again! It has been retrieved again and is on it's way to the correct delivery depot - I hope! That's 8 days so far from Lincoln to Surrey. At Christmas I sent all of the family parcels using UPS and they arrived either just under or just over 24 hours later in Somerset, Nottingham and Horncastle. Nuff said! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 14 11:15:23 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:15:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale Message-ID: <27681c14-da16-289d-2aca-d5150ebdcaa7@gmail.com> I imagine there are a number of people here who worked for or with Arena TV.?? I visited their base at Redhill once and was impressed at the size of the operation and the quality of the gear. I can't imagine how they managed to screw up so much. Anyway, you can bid on their gear here - https://arenatvsale.com/?utm_source=KitPlus&utm_medium=General&utm_id=ArenaTVSale&mc_cid=ad9ca795df&mc_eid=7197010bb8 B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Jan 14 11:31:08 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:31:08 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <27681c14-da16-289d-2aca-d5150ebdcaa7@gmail.com> References: <27681c14-da16-289d-2aca-d5150ebdcaa7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006b01d8096c$84a407d0$8dec1770$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Its easy to screw up if you (get caught) committing fraud! See attached administration report.. (That?s the business to be in when you charge up to ?950 per HOUR to recover outstanding monies?) Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 14 January 2022 17:15 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale I imagine there are a number of people here who worked for or with Arena TV. I visited their base at Redhill once and was impressed at the size of the operation and the quality of the gear. I can't imagine how they managed to screw up so much. Anyway, you can bid on their gear here - https://arenatvsale.com/?utm_source=KitPlus &utm_medium=General&utm_id=ArenaTVSale&mc_cid=ad9ca795df&mc_eid=7197010bb8 B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: companies_house_document.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 4400132 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jan 14 11:46:20 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:46:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <006b01d8096c$84a407d0$8dec1770$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <27681c14-da16-289d-2aca-d5150ebdcaa7@gmail.com> <006b01d8096c$84a407d0$8dec1770$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <244E66A6-6079-44FA-9000-1099E833F33C@icloud.com> Apparently it was chaos, trucks were being turned round on the motorways en route to locations, those already on location were pulled out overnight and so on. ? Graeme Wall > On 14 Jan 2022, at 17:31, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Its easy to screw up if you (get caught) committing fraud! > > See attached administration report.. (That?s the business to be in when you charge up to ?950 per HOUR to recover outstanding monies?) > > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > 07802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 14 January 2022 17:15 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale > > I imagine there are a number of people here who worked for or with Arena TV. I visited their base at Redhill once and was impressed at the size of the operation and the quality of the gear. I can't imagine how they managed to screw up so much. > > Anyway, you can bid on their gear here - > > https://arenatvsale.com/?utm_source=KitPlus&utm_medium=General&utm_id=ArenaTVSale&mc_cid=ad9ca795df&mc_eid=7197010bb8 > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 14 11:57:26 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:57:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <006b01d8096c$84a407d0$8dec1770$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <006b01d8096c$84a407d0$8dec1770$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <0B749C82-0411-45C8-8255-FC128899BE24@me.com> Here?s a brief article outlining how and why Arena went tits up. https://www.ibc.org/news/arena-tv-hit-by-fraud-allegations/8154.article Alan Taylor > On 14 Jan 2022, at 17:32, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Its easy to screw up if you (get caught) committing fraud! > > See attached administration report.. (That?s the business to be in when you charge up to ?950 per HOUR to recover outstanding monies?) > > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > 07802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 14 January 2022 17:15 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale > > I imagine there are a number of people here who worked for or with Arena TV. I visited their base at Redhill once and was impressed at the size of the operation and the quality of the gear. I can't imagine how they managed to screw up so much. > > Anyway, you can bid on their gear here - > > https://arenatvsale.com/?utm_source=KitPlus&utm_medium=General&utm_id=ArenaTVSale&mc_cid=ad9ca795df&mc_eid=7197010bb8 > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Jan 14 12:46:14 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:46:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <27681c14-da16-289d-2aca-d5150ebdcaa7@gmail.com> References: <27681c14-da16-289d-2aca-d5150ebdcaa7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86565f23-1674-e8b7-e861-6f2075f7526f@btinternet.com> Does seem strange considering the amount of OB TV. But could be Covid hit them hard with cancelled events? On 14/01/2022 17:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I imagine there are a number of people here who worked for or with > Arena TV.?? I visited their base at Redhill once and was impressed at > the size of the operation and the quality of the gear. I can't imagine > how they managed to screw up so much. > > Anyway, you can bid on their gear here - > > https://arenatvsale.com/?utm_source=KitPlus&utm_medium=General&utm_id=ArenaTVSale&mc_cid=ad9ca795df&mc_eid=7197010bb8 > > B > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Jan 14 12:49:36 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:49:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <86565f23-1674-e8b7-e861-6f2075f7526f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2h8uftfj3ph6j4a4ib4j9fhl.1642186176337@pgtmedia.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jan 14 12:50:18 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:50:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <86565f23-1674-e8b7-e861-6f2075f7526f@btinternet.com> References: <27681c14-da16-289d-2aca-d5150ebdcaa7@gmail.com> <86565f23-1674-e8b7-e861-6f2075f7526f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <77FD33DC-701E-4919-B794-D1225761CFB6@icloud.com> It appears to have been a massive fraud over a period of time. They were arranging loans using non-existant equipment as collateral. ? Graeme Wall > On 14 Jan 2022, at 18:46, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Does seem strange considering the amount of OB TV. But could be Covid hit them hard with cancelled events? > > On 14/01/2022 17:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I imagine there are a number of people here who worked for or with Arena TV. I visited their base at Redhill once and was impressed at the size of the operation and the quality of the gear. I can't imagine how they managed to screw up so much. >> >> Anyway, you can bid on their gear here - >> >> https://arenatvsale.com/?utm_source=KitPlus&utm_medium=General&utm_id=ArenaTVSale&mc_cid=ad9ca795df&mc_eid=7197010bb8 >> >> B >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 14 13:06:08 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 19:06:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcel Force (was E-bay) Message-ID: The saga continues! When I tracked the parcel this morning it said '0745, out for delivery'! We were both in all day with two cars in the drive and I was in my study at the front of the house. When I tracked the parcel after lunch it said 'failed delivery at 1327' !!!!!!!!!! No door bell was rung and no heavy iron door knocker was used. Words fail me! In the porch was a card on the floor on the opposite side to the letterbox so someone had opened the door to leave it there! Why not leave the parcel? Simplez. The card said 're-delivery on the next working day'. Duh! Cheers, a not so happy Dave. From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 14 13:23:25 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 19:23:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <86565f23-1674-e8b7-e861-6f2075f7526f@btinternet.com> References: <86565f23-1674-e8b7-e861-6f2075f7526f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <10D01396-B690-4180-A162-D41E41AC6D11@me.com> I can?t speak specifically about Arena in recent years as I stopped working with them some years ago, but with regards to OB companies in general, the business model appears to be that you need to have ongoing lucrative contracts from broadcasters like Sky Sports or BT sports. Once you have the contract, you can borrow to build up the facilities, but of course you only win the contract if you already have ( or appear to have ) suitable facilities. One facility owner told me that the purpose of his new scanner was not so much to make programmes, but to win those contracts. When Covid struck and sports events ceased, the cash flow was suddenly and massively disrupted. Loan repayments still had to be repaid along with some staff salaries and fixed costs like building rental, insurance and maintenance. Meanwhile, those unused assets were depreciating. A lot of OB gear has a surprisingly short working life, not because it stops working, but something new replaces it and it stops being desirable. You need to keep using the gear while it?s still flavour of the month. I think most OB facility companies were hit hard by this set of circumstances, but Arena appeared to have done some dodgy accounting before and/or during the pandemic. Some of the equipment they were using as collateral on loans apparently did not actually exist when auditors started cross-checking serial numbers. Apart from scanners, Arena also operated a number of helicopters such as those used by ITN news. They would also be incredibly expensive assets to have sitting around if they couldn?t be used productively. I would imagine that helicopters modified for filming purposes would not be much use for other purposes. I was surprised to hear of Arena?s collapse because I thought there were other OB facility companies which looked as though they might have been in a more precarious financial position. Alan Taylor > On 14 Jan 2022, at 18:46, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Does seem strange considering the amount of OB TV. But could be Covid hit them hard with cancelled events? > > On 14/01/2022 17:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I imagine there are a number of people here who worked for or with Arena TV. I visited their base at Redhill once and was impressed at the size of the operation and the quality of the gear. I can't imagine how they managed to screw up so much. >> >> Anyway, you can bid on their gear here - >> >> https://arenatvsale.com/?utm_source=KitPlus&utm_medium=General&utm_id=ArenaTVSale&mc_cid=ad9ca795df&mc_eid=7197010bb8 >> >> B >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Jan 14 13:57:10 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 19:57:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcel Force (was E-bay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you?d better move to Cranleigh, Dave. We have a super-efficient postman who never misses a delivery, and a village parcel office within walking distance, where if a failed delivery occurs (we were out, etc.) , we can collect in person. Never fails. And I think I mentioned our Holly Willoughby lookalike Hermes lady before! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > On 14 Jan 2022, at 19:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The saga continues! When I tracked the parcel this morning it said '0745, out for delivery'! We were both in all day with two cars in the drive and I was in my study at the front of the house. When I tracked the parcel after lunch it said 'failed delivery at 1327' !!!!!!!!!! No door bell was rung and no heavy iron door knocker was used. Words fail me! In the porch was a card on the floor on the opposite side to the letterbox so someone had opened the door to leave it there! Why not leave the parcel? Simplez. The card said 're-delivery on the next working day'. Duh! Cheers, a not so happy Dave. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From colin at colinhassell.com Sat Jan 15 04:53:47 2022 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:53:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <10D01396-B690-4180-A162-D41E41AC6D11@me.com> References: <86565f23-1674-e8b7-e861-6f2075f7526f@btinternet.com> <10D01396-B690-4180-A162-D41E41AC6D11@me.com> Message-ID: <23D57B2A-DC89-4A72-B06A-888C95F4B57A@colinhassell.com> Arena were very early, 2016, in adoption of IP when building their OB-X, Y & Z trucks. This was very ambitious, can?t have been cheap, and obviously wasn?t without its problems. If your kit lets you down, you?re likely to lose your lucrative contracts. Then add in Covid, and a bit of dodgy accounting. It?s a very sad situation for many people involved. Colin Hassell colin at colinhassell.com +44-(0)7973-802722 St Albans, Herts, UK > On 14 Jan 2022, at 19:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I can?t speak specifically about Arena in recent years as I stopped working with them some years ago, but with regards to OB companies in general, the business model appears to be that you need to have ongoing lucrative contracts from broadcasters like Sky Sports or BT sports. Once you have the contract, you can borrow to build up the facilities, but of course you only win the contract if you already have ( or appear to have ) suitable facilities. One facility owner told me that the purpose of his new scanner was not so much to make programmes, but to win those contracts. > > When Covid struck and sports events ceased, the cash flow was suddenly and massively disrupted. Loan repayments still had to be repaid along with some staff salaries and fixed costs like building rental, insurance and maintenance. Meanwhile, those unused assets were depreciating. A lot of OB gear has a surprisingly short working life, not because it stops working, but something new replaces it and it stops being desirable. You need to keep using the gear while it?s still flavour of the month. > > I think most OB facility companies were hit hard by this set of circumstances, but Arena appeared to have done some dodgy accounting before and/or during the pandemic. Some of the equipment they were using as collateral on loans apparently did not actually exist when auditors started cross-checking serial numbers. Apart from scanners, Arena also operated a number of helicopters such as those used by ITN news. They would also be incredibly expensive assets to have sitting around if they couldn?t be used productively. I would imagine that helicopters modified for filming purposes would not be much use for other purposes. > > I was surprised to hear of Arena?s collapse because I thought there were other OB facility companies which looked as though they might have been in a more precarious financial position. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 14 Jan 2022, at 18:46, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Does seem strange considering the amount of OB TV. But could be Covid hit them hard with cancelled events? >> >> On 14/01/2022 17:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> I imagine there are a number of people here who worked for or with Arena TV. I visited their base at Redhill once and was impressed at the size of the operation and the quality of the gear. I can't imagine how they managed to screw up so much. >>> >>> Anyway, you can bid on their gear here - >>> >>> https://arenatvsale.com/?utm_source=KitPlus&utm_medium=General&utm_id=ArenaTVSale&mc_cid=ad9ca795df&mc_eid=7197010bb8 >>> >>> B >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Jan 15 13:40:13 2022 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 19:40:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: Anyone got any contact details for Ken Major please? I used to go climbing with Ken when he was my Senior Cameraman on Crew 16 back in the 60s. We have met again since then but I have lost his contact details and another of our climbing mates - Bob Marsland - would like to get in touch with him again. Geoff F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Jan 15 15:51:28 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 21:51:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <23D57B2A-DC89-4A72-B06A-888C95F4B57A@colinhassell.com> References: <23D57B2A-DC89-4A72-B06A-888C95F4B57A@colinhassell.com> Message-ID: <328F97DC-095D-428B-9327-60C93191B080@me.com> For anybody interested in this story, there is a multi-page forum thread here https://www.tvliveforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=887 Page 5 carries quite a detailed account copied from The Sunday Times. Topics mentioned within the thread include Arena?s directors last being seen in Le Touquet ( Richard Yeowart held a helicopter license ), what might happen about the gyro-stabilised TV helicopters, the way their scanner was suddenly pulled out of Wembley during the rig, who might buy their trucks ( some trucks appear to have already been bought ), Arena?s work on remote production galleries and much much more. Some of the contributors appear to have been employed by Arena prior to the collapse. Alan Taylor > On 15 Jan 2022, at 10:54, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Arena were very early, 2016, in adoption of IP when building their OB-X, Y & Z trucks. > This was very ambitious, can?t have been cheap, and obviously wasn?t without its problems. > > If your kit lets you down, you?re likely to lose your lucrative contracts. > > Then add in Covid, and a bit of dodgy accounting. > > It?s a very sad situation for many people involved. > > Colin Hassell > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Jan 15 17:04:00 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 23:04:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <328F97DC-095D-428B-9327-60C93191B080@me.com> References: <328F97DC-095D-428B-9327-60C93191B080@me.com> Message-ID: Is this a re-run of the Limehouse/Trilion/Trillion saga? What?s the betting those trucks will reappear with a new name on the sides, but questionable ownership. I just hope no freelancers have been left out of pocket, as I was to the tune of of just under ?7000 - a lot of money in those days. And that was plus some bits of sound kit that I wasn?t able to retrieve once the padlocks were on the doors (Wembley). Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Sun Jan 16 03:32:50 2022 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 09:32:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: References: <328F97DC-095D-428B-9327-60C93191B080@me.com> Message-ID: Nick, Interesting that you should draw a parallel with Limehouse. That studio was started with best of intentions by committed 'TV people'. but in an unequal marketplace once LWT was opened up and able to undercut- having a broadcast licence to fund their 'temporary losses' whilst doing so. Limehouse then went to Trillion. Likewise once started by 'recording people' but the Sheffield brothers had moved on to the TV world and bit off more than they could chew in investing in South African TV. They brought in Brent Walker, who knew a thing or two about asset stripping already by then. He bargained hard when the Docklands Development Corporation became turn-coat? and were seduced by big money wanting to build 'The City' out to the east. Walker squeezed 21 million out of them for Limehouse Studios but things started falling apart again very soon when the C4 Breakfast pulled out of his Limehouse Trocadero building leaving a? very small studio on top of a building in very expensive Leicester Square. Wembley came cheap, but Trillion didn't really spend on it despite the 21 million they had received but 'we' few staff ( I was running the small sound dept then ) all worked hard and it was successful. Just like the Arena staff were doing I'm sure. Easy come, easy go though. ...and soon all that large amount of Limehouse money was all? gone.... most of it not into 'Television' alas. I'm sorry to hear that you lost money, and gear back then. We had a long running series The Word'? in mid production, so the production company, Planet 24 (TV people again) paid to keep Limehouse Wembley running and we finished the series. We then took it to Teddington. Another sad tale of a TV studio overtook that great place of course. Ahh history is littered with repeating stories. David T On 15 Jan 2022, 23:04, at 23:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >Is this a re-run of the Limehouse/Trilion/Trillion saga? What?s the >betting those trucks will reappear with a new name on the sides, but >questionable ownership. >I just hope no freelancers have been left out of pocket, as I was to >the tune of of just under ?7000 - a lot of money in those days. And >that was plus some bits of sound kit that I wasn?t able to retrieve >once the padlocks were on the doors (Wembley). >Cheers, >Nick. > >Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Jan 16 08:16:47 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:16:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <522BE33B-C878-41E9-9C8C-A366437BB6EF@btinternet.com> Glance at Wikipedia for Lee International and see how the mighty fall From obscure sparks to owners of Mole Richardson , Mitchell cameras ,Colortran, Humphries labs and studios, Panavision etc etc?. All bought down by the financial crash in the 80s.. From 2 ex beeb redheads to Panavision in 20 years. What could possibly go wrong? Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Jan 2022, at 09:33, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Nick, > Interesting that you should draw a parallel with Limehouse. That studio was started with best of intentions by committed 'TV people'. but in an unequal marketplace once LWT was opened up and able to undercut- having a broadcast licence to fund their 'temporary losses' whilst doing so. > Limehouse then went to Trillion. Likewise once started by 'recording people' but the Sheffield brothers had moved on to the TV world and bit off more than they could chew in investing in South African TV. They brought in Brent Walker, who knew a thing or two about asset stripping already by then. He bargained hard when the Docklands Development Corporation became turn-coat and were seduced by big money wanting to build 'The City' out to the east. Walker squeezed 21 million out of them for Limehouse Studios but things started falling apart again very soon when the C4 Breakfast pulled out of his Limehouse Trocadero building leaving a very small studio on top of a building in very expensive Leicester Square. > Wembley came cheap, but Trillion didn't really spend on it despite the 21 million they had received but 'we' few staff ( I was running the small sound dept then ) all worked hard and it was successful. Just like the Arena staff were doing I'm sure. > Easy come, easy go though. ...and soon all that large amount of Limehouse money was all gone.... most of it not into 'Television' alas. > I'm sorry to hear that you lost money, and gear back then. > We had a long running series The Word' in mid production, so the production company, Planet 24 (TV people again) paid to keep Limehouse Wembley running and we finished the series. We then took it to Teddington. Another sad tale of a TV studio overtook that great place of course. > Ahh history is littered with repeating stories. > David T >> On 15 Jan 2022, at 23:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Is this a re-run of the Limehouse/Trilion/Trillion saga? What?s the betting those trucks will reappear with a new name on the sides, but questionable ownership. >> I just hope no freelancers have been left out of pocket, as I was to the tune of of just under ?7000 - a lot of money in those days. And that was plus some bits of sound kit that I wasn?t able to retrieve once the padlocks were on the doors (Wembley). >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Sun Jan 16 08:22:34 2022 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:22:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <522BE33B-C878-41E9-9C8C-A366437BB6EF@btinternet.com> References: <522BE33B-C878-41E9-9C8C-A366437BB6EF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi, I did my work experience with them in my Uni holidays. I needed an ACCT card and they said. If I was outside at 7am they would take me out on set and I did any work they had for that day. I did the Professionals lots of times and other bits and pieces. Anything that was going. At one point it was the only meal a day I was getting as I was sofa surfing and begging off friends. Oh Happy days. sara > On 16 Jan 2022, at 14:16, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > > Glance at Wikipedia for Lee International and see how the mighty fall > From obscure sparks to owners of Mole Richardson , Mitchell cameras ,Colortran, Humphries labs and studios, Panavision etc etc?. > All bought down by the financial crash in the 80s.. > From 2 ex beeb redheads to Panavision in 20 years. > What could possibly go wrong? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 16 Jan 2022, at 09:33, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Nick, >> Interesting that you should draw a parallel with Limehouse. That studio was started with best of intentions by committed 'TV people'. but in an unequal marketplace once LWT was opened up and able to undercut- having a broadcast licence to fund their 'temporary losses' whilst doing so. >> Limehouse then went to Trillion. Likewise once started by 'recording people' but the Sheffield brothers had moved on to the TV world and bit off more than they could chew in investing in South African TV. They brought in Brent Walker, who knew a thing or two about asset stripping already by then. He bargained hard when the Docklands Development Corporation became turn-coat and were seduced by big money wanting to build 'The City' out to the east. Walker squeezed 21 million out of them for Limehouse Studios but things started falling apart again very soon when the C4 Breakfast pulled out of his Limehouse Trocadero building leaving a very small studio on top of a building in very expensive Leicester Square. >> Wembley came cheap, but Trillion didn't really spend on it despite the 21 million they had received but 'we' few staff ( I was running the small sound dept then ) all worked hard and it was successful. Just like the Arena staff were doing I'm sure. >> Easy come, easy go though. ...and soon all that large amount of Limehouse money was all gone.... most of it not into 'Television' alas. >> I'm sorry to hear that you lost money, and gear back then. >> We had a long running series The Word' in mid production, so the production company, Planet 24 (TV people again) paid to keep Limehouse Wembley running and we finished the series. We then took it to Teddington. Another sad tale of a TV studio overtook that great place of course. >> Ahh history is littered with repeating stories. >> David T >> On 15 Jan 2022, at 23:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: >> Is this a re-run of the Limehouse/Trilion/Trillion saga? What?s the betting those trucks will reappear with a new name on the sides, but questionable ownership. >> I just hope no freelancers have been left out of pocket, as I was to the tune of of just under ?7000 - a lot of money in those days. And that was plus some bits of sound kit that I wasn?t able to retrieve once the padlocks were on the doors (Wembley). >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 16 08:47:00 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:47:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <522BE33B-C878-41E9-9C8C-A366437BB6EF@btinternet.com> References: <522BE33B-C878-41E9-9C8C-A366437BB6EF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61e42fe4.1c69fb81.3b81.68c7@mx.google.com> I thought Panavision was the prerogative of Sammies? But that may have been earlier in the mid-70?s.I remember that the camera crew on 007 Spy Who Loved Me (1977) were pissed off as it clashed with A Bridge Too Far, which had nicked all the best lenses. However, operator Alec Mills and DoP Claude Renoir made it all work well. Worked a few times in Lee Studios, the old biscuit factory in NW London (Kensal?). It was actually possible to park! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Roger Long via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2022 14:17 To: David Taylor Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Arena sale Glance at Wikipedia for Lee International and see how the mighty fall >From obscure sparks to owners of Mole Richardson , Mitchell cameras ,Colortran, Humphries labs and studios, Panavision etc etc?. All bought down by the financial crash in the 80s.. >From 2 ex beeb redheads to Panavision in 20 years. What could possibly go wrong? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Jan 16 08:59:47 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:59:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <61e42fe4.1c69fb81.3b81.68c7@mx.google.com> References: <61e42fe4.1c69fb81.3b81.68c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: After the collapse of Lee int Panavision was bought out. They acquired Samuelsons in the 90s They wanted Sammys world wide networks Panavision went into partnership with Sony to develop HD video for cinema that used their lenses. Panaflux lighting was floated. Arri. and Panavision are top providers. Sammys and Lee int just history. Sad tale of overreach. Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Jan 2022, at 14:47, patheigham wrote: > > ? > I thought Panavision was the prerogative of Sammies? But that may have been earlier in the mid-70?s.I remember that the camera crew on 007 Spy Who Loved Me (1977) were pissed off as it clashed with A Bridge Too Far, which had nicked all the best lenses. However, operator Alec Mills and DoP Claude Renoir made it all work well. > Worked a few times in Lee Studios, the old biscuit factory in NW London (Kensal?). It was actually possible to park! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Roger Long via Tech1 > Sent: 16 January 2022 14:17 > To: David Taylor > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Arena sale > > Glance at Wikipedia for Lee International and see how the mighty fall > From obscure sparks to owners of Mole Richardson , Mitchell cameras ,Colortran, Humphries labs and studios, Panavision etc etc?. > All bought down by the financial crash in the 80s.. > From 2 ex beeb redheads to Panavision in 20 years. > What could possibly go wrong? > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 16 09:32:40 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 15:32:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: References: <61e42fe4.1c69fb81.3b81.68c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <61e43a98.1c69fb81.615b7.157e@mx.google.com> Yes, very sad ? conjures up the old adage: ?Eyes bigger than your stomach!? Sammies had an excellent carnet/shipping service ? I?m not involved anymore, but who organises that these days? When I was working the only European country for which a carnet was required was Switzerland, but after Brexit, does that apply to every other Euro country, now? With a carnet needing to be signed off, one always had to go through the Red channel, and it took time for the paperwork to be ratified. Story to follow about entering Switzerland by road, with a load of camera gear. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Roger Long Sent: 16 January 2022 14:59 To: patheigham Cc: David Taylor; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Arena sale After the collapse of Lee int Panavision was bought out. They acquired Samuelsons in the 90s They wanted Sammys world wide networks? Panavision went into partnership with Sony to develop HD video for cinema that used their lenses. Panaflux lighting was floated. Arri. ?and Panavision are top providers. Sammys and Lee int just history. Sad tale of overreach. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jan 2022, at 14:47, patheigham wrote: ? I thought Panavision was the prerogative of Sammies? But that may have been earlier in the mid-70?s.I remember that the camera crew on 007 Spy Who Loved Me (1977) were pissed off as it clashed with A Bridge Too Far, which had nicked all the best lenses. However, operator Alec Mills and DoP Claude Renoir made it all work well. Worked a few times in Lee Studios, the old biscuit factory in NW London (Kensal?). It was actually possible to park! ? Pat ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sun Jan 16 09:58:13 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 15:58:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <61e43a98.1c69fb81.615b7.157e@mx.google.com> References: <61e42fe4.1c69fb81.3b81.68c7@mx.google.com> <61e43a98.1c69fb81.615b7.157e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 16/01/2022 15:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > [Carnets]... but after Brexit, does that apply to every other Euro > country, now? > > With a carnet needing to be signed off, one always had to go through > the Red channel, and it took time for the paperwork to be ratified. > > Sure does. This might have to move to the Discuss pigeon hole, but the prevalence of pro-Brexit voters amongst the elderly who no longer have anything to do with the problems of trading and working with Europeans, is very notable. Those /actively/ engaged in that sort of business recognise the massive problems, expense and bureaucracy that leaving has caused. Carnets, visas, import headaches with equipment - and we haven't even begun to suffer the full effects yet. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Jan 16 10:06:55 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 16:06:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <61e43a98.1c69fb81.615b7.157e@mx.google.com> References: <61e43a98.1c69fb81.615b7.157e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1E7BB5A5-5F41-4A94-B4B8-F648733F52F0@btinternet.com> BBC Shipping did an excellent carnet service at LHR and most ports if needed. When in the EU you still needed customs lists will full SN s etc. When working for HBO Sammys did the carnets , they were on the ball. , but we knew all the beeb shipping guys at LHR anyhow Carnets could be pain in the arse. , or a godsend if you wanted an additional overnight in a superb hotel? Getting into iron curtain countries could excruciating as could remote US airfield where they had never seen one before. Leaving a country short of time was always Stressful Fixing a carnet that was not signed later very tedious finding all the serial no again. Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Jan 2022, at 15:32, patheigham wrote: > > ? > Yes, very sad ? conjures up the old adage: > ?Eyes bigger than your stomach!? > > Sammies had an excellent carnet/shipping service ? I?m not involved anymore, but who organises that these days? > When I was working the only European country for which a carnet was required was Switzerland, but after Brexit, does that apply to every other Euro country, now? > With a carnet needing to be signed off, one always had to go through the Red channel, and it took time for the paperwork to be ratified. > Story to follow about entering Switzerland by road, with a load of camera gear. > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Roger Long > Sent: 16 January 2022 14:59 > To: patheigham > Cc: David Taylor; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Arena sale > > After the collapse of Lee int Panavision was bought out. > They acquired Samuelsons in the 90s > They wanted Sammys world wide networks > Panavision went into partnership with Sony to develop HD video for cinema that used their lenses. > Panaflux lighting was floated. > Arri. and Panavision are top providers. > Sammys and Lee int just history. > Sad tale of overreach. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 16 Jan 2022, at 14:47, patheigham wrote: > > ? > I thought Panavision was the prerogative of Sammies? But that may have been earlier in the mid-70?s.I remember that the camera crew on 007 Spy Who Loved Me (1977) were pissed off as it clashed with A Bridge Too Far, which had nicked all the best lenses. However, operator Alec Mills and DoP Claude Renoir made it all work well. > Worked a few times in Lee Studios, the old biscuit factory in NW London (Kensal?). It was actually possible to park! > > Pat > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Jan 16 10:13:04 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 16:13:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <1E7BB5A5-5F41-4A94-B4B8-F648733F52F0@btinternet.com> References: <1E7BB5A5-5F41-4A94-B4B8-F648733F52F0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <32225D47-AE17-4016-B147-546DD7551CF9@btinternet.com> How do US film companies and touring bands fare Chris , they must have the same hassles as us . Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Jan 2022, at 16:06, Roger Long wrote: > > ?BBC Shipping did an excellent carnet service at LHR and most ports if needed. > When in the EU you still needed customs lists will full SN s etc. > When working for HBO Sammys did the carnets , they were on the ball. , but we knew all the beeb shipping guys at LHR anyhow > Carnets could be pain in the arse. , or a godsend if you wanted an additional overnight in a superb hotel? > Getting into iron curtain countries could excruciating as could remote US airfield where they had never seen one before. > Leaving a country short of time was always > Stressful > Fixing a carnet that was not signed later very tedious finding all the serial no again. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On 16 Jan 2022, at 15:32, patheigham wrote: >>> >> ? >> Yes, very sad ? conjures up the old adage: >> ?Eyes bigger than your stomach!? >> >> Sammies had an excellent carnet/shipping service ? I?m not involved anymore, but who organises that these days? >> When I was working the only European country for which a carnet was required was Switzerland, but after Brexit, does that apply to every other Euro country, now? >> With a carnet needing to be signed off, one always had to go through the Red channel, and it took time for the paperwork to be ratified. >> Story to follow about entering Switzerland by road, with a load of camera gear. >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: Roger Long >> Sent: 16 January 2022 14:59 >> To: patheigham >> Cc: David Taylor; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Arena sale >> >> After the collapse of Lee int Panavision was bought out. >> They acquired Samuelsons in the 90s >> They wanted Sammys world wide networks >> Panavision went into partnership with Sony to develop HD video for cinema that used their lenses. >> Panaflux lighting was floated. >> Arri. and Panavision are top providers. >> Sammys and Lee int just history. >> Sad tale of overreach. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On 16 Jan 2022, at 14:47, patheigham wrote: >> >> ? >> I thought Panavision was the prerogative of Sammies? But that may have been earlier in the mid-70?s.I remember that the camera crew on 007 Spy Who Loved Me (1977) were pissed off as it clashed with A Bridge Too Far, which had nicked all the best lenses. However, operator Alec Mills and DoP Claude Renoir made it all work well. >> Worked a few times in Lee Studios, the old biscuit factory in NW London (Kensal?). It was actually possible to park! >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With a carnet needing to be signed off, one always had to go through the Red channel, and it took time for the paperwork to be ratified. Story to follow about entering Switzerland by road, with a load of camera gear. Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Carnets, visas, import headaches with equipment - and we haven't even begun to suffer the full effects yet. Chris Woolf Virus-free. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 16 10:54:04 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 16:54:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arena sale In-Reply-To: <32225D47-AE17-4016-B147-546DD7551CF9@btinternet.com> References: <1E7BB5A5-5F41-4A94-B4B8-F648733F52F0@btinternet.com> <32225D47-AE17-4016-B147-546DD7551CF9@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61e44dac.1c69fb81.b6c58.832f@mx.google.com> While not a carnet problem or it might have been ? I kept out of that situation, but on Fiddler on the Roof, the exposed film was flown back to Heathrow, to Technicolor, each evening. BA had recently initiated direct flights from Zagreb. We took it in turns to drive to the airport, and early on coincided with the cabin crew disembarking. We asked them if there were any English newspapers going spare, since there was nothing available in our language in Zagreb. They kindly found us some, and the word must have spread, as subsequent crews always made up a parcel for us! It was a five month location initially, so it was reassuring to have English newspapers the day after. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Roger Long Sent: 16 January 2022 16:13 To: patheigham Cc: David Taylor; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Arena sale How do US film companies and touring bands fare Chris , they must have the same hassles as us . -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 16 11:13:07 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:13:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcel Force (was E-bay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61e45223.1c69fb81.676b3.0894@mx.google.com> Dave, I do hope that you will post the final result, otherwise it?ll be like the Hancock library book episode where the last page has been torn out! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 14 January 2022 19:06 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave Subject: [Tech1] Parcel Force (was E-bay) The saga continues! When I tracked the parcel this morning it said '0745, out for delivery'! We were both in all day with two cars in the drive and I was in my study at the front of the house. When I tracked the parcel after lunch it said 'failed delivery at 1327' !!!!!!!!!! No door bell was rung and no heavy iron door knocker was used. Words fail me! In the porch was a card on the floor on the opposite side to the letterbox so someone had opened the door to leave it there! Why not leave the parcel? Simplez. The card said 're-delivery on the next working day'. Duh! Cheers, a not so happy Dave. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 11:41:06 2022 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:41:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcel Force (was E-bay) In-Reply-To: <61e45223.1c69fb81.676b3.0894@mx.google.com> References: <61e45223.1c69fb81.676b3.0894@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <91A4B974-8EFB-4EC1-A072-B11D75E18BA4@gmail.com> Yes, we?re all on edge here wondering how it will turn out. Let?s hope the merry dance music will stop soon and the parcel will end in Dave?s lap, not someone else?s who will just tear into it and not pass it on, Geoff > On 16 Jan 2022, at 17:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Dave, > I do hope that you will post the final result, otherwise it?ll be like the Hancock library book episode where the last page has been torn out! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 14 January 2022 19:06 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave > Subject: [Tech1] Parcel Force (was E-bay) > > The saga continues! When I tracked the parcel this morning it said > '0745, out for delivery'! We were both in all day with two cars in the > drive and I was in my study at the front of the house. When I tracked > the parcel after lunch it said 'failed delivery at 1327' !!!!!!!!!! No > door bell was rung and no heavy iron door knocker was used. Words fail > me! In the porch was a card on the floor on the opposite side to the > letterbox so someone had opened the door to leave it there! Why not > leave the parcel? Simplez. The card said 're-delivery on the next > working day'. Duh! Cheers, a not so happy Dave. > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 16 12:58:59 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 18:58:59 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shingles update Message-ID: Hello again Bernie, I was very pleased to hear you were lined up for the Shingrix 2-dose vaccination. I had the single live dose Zostavax vaccine 8 or 9 years ago which has offered me no effective resistance which is hardly surprising in light of what I now know. Zostavax was, at the time of my vaccination, the only show in town. It is only known to be effective for 3 years but maybe up to 5 years. Its efficacy is just over 50% but only 37% when administered to the over 70s. As the NHS don?t offer vaccination to the under 70s, what the vast majority of us get is 37% protection (in terms of avoiding attack) for a three year period. It is claimed that in terms of limiting the severity of pain however that over 60% of patients will benefit. The injection should be sub-cutaneous according to its maker but here it is more often delivered as intra-muscular. Shingrix protection stat?s are in a completely different ball park. Efficacy is above 90% across all age groups sustained for at least 4 years. The only downside is a greater probability of short term side effects after the injection (not usually more than a couple of days or so). The vaccine was approved for use in the US in 2017 and in 2018 for the EU. Its superiority over Zostavax is such that the latter ceased to be used in the US in 2020. These injections are intra-muscular. As ever in the UK costs appear to have precluded us following the USA. Thus Shingrix here is only NHS available in cases of compromised immune-system response or other contra indicating conditions. It can though be had privately for in the region of ?450 ? 600 which is 3 to 4 times the cost of private Zostavax. My plight has me fervently wishing the Shingrix had been available to me. My first symptoms began 25 days ago affecting my right arm and shoulder. Neuropathic pain is far more difficult to treat than other pain. Paracetamol, Iburofen etc. are ineffective; codeine, though sometimes prescribed (as is Cocodamol) is far from guaranteed to offer much alleviation. My regime has been Acyclovir anti-viral, Amitriptyline and Pregabalin plus an anti-biotic course. Nothing I have taken has given me any pain relief at all which has meant that lying down has not been bearable and the last 21 nights have limited me to propped-upright dozing, at best 5 hours total spread across 2 or 3 sessions. I do though, frequently throughout the day, nod off for 10 minutes or so despite pain levels that mostly range from severe to excruciating. The problem is that both the Amitriptylene and the Pregabalin typically take up to 4 weeks to reach effective dosage levels. To date I have (in order) seen a nurse practitioner, had 3 telephone appts. with 3 different GPs and finally 1 face-to-face GP consultation. In terms of choice of medication and dosage levels they have all differed in their recommendations, in some cases being way off NICE recommendations. The nurse practitioner scored highest! Over this last week my arm has progressively become semi-paralysed. If I stand and let it hang I can only move the arm sideways away from my body a few inches. It does no better moving it forwards or backwards and I can not lift it enough to use a knife or spoon, comb my hair, do up shirt buttons etc. etc. Poor Hilary is dancing attendance on me the whole time. The process of gradually upping the Pregabaline dosage has not yet got my intake up to the effective level, the steady dose Amitriptyline needs several weeks to become fully effective and there is no way of my knowing whether or not when I get to that point I will prove to be one of the unlucky ones who are not helped. I do hope you can view the above as an attempt at informing because it wasn?t my intention to produce a sympathy seeking missive, even though it reads a bit like that now I scan back over it. One last point ? the reason the over 80s are denied vaccination is that the Zostavax potential for any useful protection is deemed to be very small, indeed the benefit declines gradually through one?s seventies. Best to all, Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:56 PM To: David Newbitt Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw from Dave Newbitt Hi Dave I hope your shingles are abating a bit. I had it 20 years ago and I know how it's no fun at all. Coincidentally I had the second part of my Shingrix vaccination yesterday. I felt pretty average this morning and it took me a while to realise that it was that. Gone away now. Anyway.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was very pleased to hear you were lined up for the Shingrix 2-dose vaccination. I had the single live dose Zostavax? vaccine 8 or 9 years ago which has offered me no effective resistance which is hardly surprising in light of what I now know. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 16 16:41:13 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 22:41:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shingles update In-Reply-To: <61e48deb.1c69fb81.7b89c.9acc@mx.google.com> References: <61e48deb.1c69fb81.7b89c.9acc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, If it doesn?t stir a wave of sympathy, then we?re a pretty sorry lot between us - it almost seems as though a medically induced coma would be preferable until it subsides. My wife?s symptoms were on nothing like the scale that you describe, but I felt totally helpless in offering comfort or easing the pain and sheer exhaustion. I can only hope that your account of the potential vaccines and treatments will prevent the worst case for at least some others. I feel very inclined to investigate private vaccination for both of us - my wife would have given anything to reduce the pain at its worst. Mike G > On 16 Jan 2022, at 21:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Poor Dave, > Your seem to have copped it rather badly. My Dad had shingles, and was in discomfort, but not to extent of your condition, as you describe. > I had chicken pox as a youngster, so the virus is probably sitting in me, waiting to pounce. > My surgery gave me the Zostavax jab in Sept 2013, so from what you relate, it?s run its course and is no longer protective? > I really do hope that your condition improves, but you could try a few glasses of your favourite wine to flatten you out? > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: David Newbitt via Tech1 > Sent: 16 January 2022 18:59 > To: Bernard Newnham > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > Subject: [Tech1] Shingles update > > Hello again Bernie, > > I was very pleased to hear you were lined up for the Shingrix 2-dose vaccination. I had the single live dose Zostavax vaccine 8 or 9 years ago which has offered me no effective resistance which is hardly surprising in light of what I now know. > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 16 16:43:21 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 22:43:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcel Force (was E-bay) In-Reply-To: <91A4B974-8EFB-4EC1-A072-B11D75E18BA4@gmail.com> References: <91A4B974-8EFB-4EC1-A072-B11D75E18BA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F8DDDAF-4D7A-4E7F-83EC-06F982501365@mac.com> Do remember to quarantine your package for three days when it does arrive, Dave! (Other helpful suggestions are available.) Mike G > On 16 Jan 2022, at 17:41, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Yes, we?re all on edge here wondering how it will turn out. Let?s hope the merry dance music will stop soon and the parcel will end in Dave?s lap, not someone else?s who will just tear into it and not pass it on, > Geoff > >>> On 16 Jan 2022, at 17:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Dave, >> I do hope that you will post the final result, otherwise it?ll be like the Hancock library book episode where the last page has been torn out! >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: 14 January 2022 19:06 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave >> Subject: [Tech1] Parcel Force (was E-bay) >> >> The saga continues! When I tracked the parcel this morning it said >> '0745, out for delivery'! We were both in all day with two cars in the >> drive and I was in my study at the front of the house. When I tracked >> the parcel after lunch it said 'failed delivery at 1327' !!!!!!!!!! No >> door bell was rung and no heavy iron door knocker was used. Words fail >> me! In the porch was a card on the floor on the opposite side to the >> letterbox so someone had opened the door to leave it there! Why not >> leave the parcel? Simplez. The card said 're-delivery on the next >> working day'. Duh! Cheers, a not so happy Dave. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 16 17:45:16 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 23:45:16 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shingles update In-Reply-To: References: <61e48deb.1c69fb81.7b89c.9acc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1FED56D7B051419C8745304B5FA80B27@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Thanks Mike ? to tell the truth I am finding that seeing a word of kindness like yours and Pat?s does help to steer me through another night. Also I am so pleased to think that my post might encourage members, wives and families to take any precautions available to you. At its worst it can be an absolute beast. By contrast my wife had it a year or two ago but less than 2 years after her vaccination and she got off very lightly. A neighbour tells me he finished up on morphine which I guess indicates the extremity of what the really unlucky can go through. My rash is in the dying stages but the pain hasn?t even begun to subside so I think I need to face the reality of post herpetic neuralgia which can go on for weeks, months or even years. I am not encouraged by the fact that my pain is by no means confined to the rash area but far more widespread. Regards to all, Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:41 PM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shingles update Hi Dave, If it doesn?t stir a wave of sympathy, then we?re a pretty sorry lot between us - it almost seems as though a medically induced coma would be preferable until it subsides. My wife?s symptoms were on nothing like the scale that you describe, but I felt totally helpless in offering comfort or easing the pain and sheer exhaustion. I can only hope that your account of the potential vaccines and treatments will prevent the worst case for at least some others. I feel very inclined to investigate private vaccination for both of us - my wife would have given anything to reduce the pain at its worst. Mike G On 16 Jan 2022, at 21:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Poor Dave, Your seem to have copped it rather badly. My Dad had shingles, and was in discomfort, but not to extent of your condition, as you describe. I had chicken pox as a youngster, so the virus is probably sitting in me, waiting to pounce. My surgery gave me the Zostavax jab in Sept 2013, so from what you relate, it?s run its course and is no longer protective? I really do hope that your condition improves, but you could try a few glasses of your favourite wine to flatten you out? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 17 04:55:51 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 10:55:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] U-Matic transfer. Message-ID: <63b80935-a57f-63b5-7ed1-a8e4f7be711f@btinternet.com> I have a high band U-Matic tape with stereo sound - about 30 minutes long - I'd like 'digitized'? To DVD would be fine. Any recommendations? From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 17 07:14:14 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:14:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] U-Matic transfer. In-Reply-To: <63b80935-a57f-63b5-7ed1-a8e4f7be711f@btinternet.com> References: <63b80935-a57f-63b5-7ed1-a8e4f7be711f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Google comes up with video99.co.uk whose website says that they can even transfer PCM1610 audio to modern media. The key for that is not just having a U-matic machine, but having the 1610 processor too. If it?s a video recording that you just want transferred to DVD, they can do that. I?m afraid mine went in a skip many years ago. It was a 5630, IIRC, that had become very good at chewing up tapes. Everything of course depends on whether the cassette will still run. Some of ours wouldn?t, and that was more than 15 years ago. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > On 17 Jan 2022, at 10:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I have a high band U-Matic tape with stereo sound - about 30 minutes long - I'd like 'digitized' To DVD would be fine. > > Any recommendations? > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 17 07:47:56 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:47:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] U-Matic transfer. In-Reply-To: References: <63b80935-a57f-63b5-7ed1-a8e4f7be711f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0a7bd8fe-44d1-ac56-6a1c-a16ec1586819@btinternet.com> I've got two U-Matic copies which have never been played after recording - but may have been re-cycled stock in the first place. They are copies of the 1" C-format edit master which I also have. That is definitely a scrag end of tape. On 17/01/2022 13:14, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Google comes up with video99.co.uk whose website says that they can even transfer PCM1610 audio to modern media. The key for that is not just having a U-matic machine, but having the 1610 processor too. > If it?s a video recording that you just want transferred to DVD, they can do that. I?m afraid mine went in a skip many years ago. It was a 5630, IIRC, that had become very good at chewing up tapes. > Everything of course depends on whether the cassette will still run. Some of ours wouldn?t, and that was more than 15 years ago. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 17 Jan 2022, at 10:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I have a high band U-Matic tape with stereo sound - about 30 minutes long - I'd like 'digitized' To DVD would be fine. >> >> Any recommendations? >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Jan 17 10:03:22 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:03:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcelforce Message-ID: <5c41deae-7979-96e3-c555-c41dfb67bb37@btinternet.com> ...and Lo, 'twas on the 11th. day of 'The Wait' that a miracle occurred in Hinchley Wood, an angel appeared, dressed in a uniform, a beanie hat and dark glasses, carrying a heavy box containing a new printer! On the box, underneath a new delivery label, was the old one showing the wrong post code! I had left a note on the front door saying we were in, please leave the box in the porch, and please ring the bell. The angel read the note and said gruffly that he wasn't allowed to leave anything if nobody came to the door. I told him that they wouldn't if nobody rang the bell or knocked on the door! He stormed off to his red chariot muttering something about complaining so I said that I had! So, the saga endeth with great joy all round! Cheers, Dave From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 17 10:19:57 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:19:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcelforce In-Reply-To: <5c41deae-7979-96e3-c555-c41dfb67bb37@btinternet.com> References: <5c41deae-7979-96e3-c555-c41dfb67bb37@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Was this a manually written label? Most printed ones rely on the postcode and pick your address from a list derived from that. On 17/01/2022 16:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > ...and Lo, 'twas on the 11th. day of 'The Wait' that a miracle > occurred in Hinchley Wood, an angel appeared, dressed in a uniform, a > beanie hat and dark glasses, carrying a heavy box containing a new > printer! On the box, underneath a new delivery label, was the old one > showing the wrong post code! I had left a note on the front door > saying we were in, please leave the box in the porch, and please ring > the bell. The angel read the note and said gruffly that he wasn't > allowed to leave anything if nobody came to the door. I told him that > they wouldn't if nobody rang the bell or knocked on the door! He > stormed off to his red chariot muttering something about complaining > so I said that I had! So, the saga endeth with great joy all round! > Cheers, Dave > > From saranewman at hotmail.com Mon Jan 17 11:37:47 2022 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 17:37:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shingles update In-Reply-To: <1FED56D7B051419C8745304B5FA80B27@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <61e48deb.1c69fb81.7b89c.9acc@mx.google.com> <1FED56D7B051419C8745304B5FA80B27@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Hi I really must say that my sympathies are with you You are really suffering but thankyou for sharing with us the knowledge you have acquired. Do keep us posted as to your progress as I am now invested in finding out that you will get better. Shingles is a grotty virus and affects people differently but you seem to be suffering worse than most My GP got it and had to take 6 months off it was so bad whereas it took me 6 weeks but my eye was affected for much long Pain can be so all pervasive and often soul destroying You are in my thoughts Take care and do make a weekly bulletin as your pain relief quest is also of interest BL Sarax Sent from my iPhone On 16 Jan 2022, at 23:45, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? Thanks Mike ? to tell the truth I am finding that seeing a word of kindness like yours and Pat?s does help to steer me through another night. Also I am so pleased to think that my post might encourage members, wives and families to take any precautions available to you. At its worst it can be an absolute beast. By contrast my wife had it a year or two ago but less than 2 years after her vaccination and she got off very lightly. A neighbour tells me he finished up on morphine which I guess indicates the extremity of what the really unlucky can go through. My rash is in the dying stages but the pain hasn?t even begun to subside so I think I need to face the reality of post herpetic neuralgia which can go on for weeks, months or even years. I am not encouraged by the fact that my pain is by no means confined to the rash area but far more widespread. Regards to all, Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:41 PM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shingles update Hi Dave, If it doesn?t stir a wave of sympathy, then we?re a pretty sorry lot between us - it almost seems as though a medically induced coma would be preferable until it subsides. My wife?s symptoms were on nothing like the scale that you describe, but I felt totally helpless in offering comfort or easing the pain and sheer exhaustion. I can only hope that your account of the potential vaccines and treatments will prevent the worst case for at least some others. I feel very inclined to investigate private vaccination for both of us - my wife would have given anything to reduce the pain at its worst. Mike G On 16 Jan 2022, at 21:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Poor Dave, Your seem to have copped it rather badly. My Dad had shingles, and was in discomfort, but not to extent of your condition, as you describe. I had chicken pox as a youngster, so the virus is probably sitting in me, waiting to pounce. My surgery gave me the Zostavax jab in Sept 2013, so from what you relate, it?s run its course and is no longer protective? I really do hope that your condition improves, but you could try a few glasses of your favourite wine to flatten you out? 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On the box, underneath a new delivery label, was the old one showing the wrong post code! I had left a note on the front door saying we were in, please leave the box in the porch, and please ring the bell. The angel read the note and said gruffly that he wasn't allowed to leave anything if nobody came to the door. I told him that they wouldn't if nobody rang the bell or knocked on the door! He stormed off to his red chariot muttering something about complaining so I said that I had! So, the saga endeth with great joy all round! Cheers, Dave >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Jan 17 18:23:39 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 00:23:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcelforce In-Reply-To: References: <5c41deae-7979-96e3-c555-c41dfb67bb37@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ab2d714-80ff-ba76-9ad1-e8bc1fba8b4e@btinternet.com> No, it was a printed label, barcode and all. Cheers, Dave On 17/01/2022 16:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Was this a manually written label? Most printed ones rely on the > postcode and pick your address from a list derived from that. > > On 17/01/2022 16:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> ...and Lo, 'twas on the 11th. day of 'The Wait' that a miracle >> occurred in Hinchley Wood, an angel appeared, dressed in a uniform, a >> beanie hat and dark glasses, carrying a heavy box containing a new >> printer! On the box, underneath a new delivery label, was the old one >> showing the wrong post code! I had left a note on the front door >> saying we were in, please leave the box in the porch, and please ring >> the bell. The angel read the note and said gruffly that he wasn't >> allowed to leave anything if nobody came to the door. I told him that >> they wouldn't if nobody rang the bell or knocked on the door! He >> stormed off to his red chariot muttering something about complaining >> so I said that I had! So, the saga endeth with great joy all round! >> Cheers, Dave >> >> > From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 18 03:09:01 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:09:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcelforce In-Reply-To: <5ab2d714-80ff-ba76-9ad1-e8bc1fba8b4e@btinternet.com> References: <5c41deae-7979-96e3-c555-c41dfb67bb37@btinternet.com> <5ab2d714-80ff-ba76-9ad1-e8bc1fba8b4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61e683ae.1c69fb81.4e55b.aeaa@mx.google.com> Hear, hear to Mike?s message. Glad that your finally received your printer! My HP All-in-One has an irritating trick ? changing an empty cartridge throws up a message that the new one is beyond its expiry date and performance will not be guaranteed ? all to make you buy a new cartridge at extortionate cost! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows > On 17/01/2022 16:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> ...and Lo, 'twas on the 11th. day of 'The Wait' that a miracle >> occurred in Hinchley Wood, an angel appeared, dressed in a uniform, a >> beanie hat and dark glasses, carrying a heavy box containing a new >> printer! On the box, underneath a new delivery label, was the old one >> showing the wrong post code! I had left a note on the front door >> saying we were in, please leave the box in the porch, and please ring >> the bell. The angel read the note and said gruffly that he wasn't >> allowed to leave anything if nobody came to the door. I told him that >> they wouldn't if nobody rang the bell or knocked on the door! He >> stormed off to his red chariot muttering something about complaining >> so I said that I had! So, the saga endeth with great joy all round! >> Cheers, Dave >> >> > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Jan 18 03:18:29 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:18:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcelforce In-Reply-To: <61e683ae.1c69fb81.4e55b.aeaa@mx.google.com> References: <61e683ae.1c69fb81.4e55b.aeaa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8F7C3C1A-A91F-4010-AB84-14FD5BDDBE71@me.com> > On 18 Jan 2022, at 09:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Hear, hear to Mike?s message. Glad that your finally received your printer! > My HP All-in-One has an irritating trick ? changing an empty cartridge throws up a message that the new one is beyond its expiry date and performance will not be guaranteed ? all to make you buy a new cartridge at extortionate cost! > > Best > Pat That might be the least of your problems. Some printer/scanners, including mine, have a feature where if it doesn?t detect a useable print cartridge, the unit is blocked from doing anything at all - even scanning. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 18 03:22:38 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:22:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcelforce In-Reply-To: <8F7C3C1A-A91F-4010-AB84-14FD5BDDBE71@me.com> References: <61e683ae.1c69fb81.4e55b.aeaa@mx.google.com> <8F7C3C1A-A91F-4010-AB84-14FD5BDDBE71@me.com> Message-ID: <61e686e0.1c69fb81.1d0fd.d7c7@mx.google.com> Presumably to prevent the use of ?compatible? cartridges ? forcing one to buy the genuine ones at the high price! Beware! The robots ARE taking over the World! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2022 09:18 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Parcelforce On 18 Jan 2022, at 09:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Hear, hear to Mike?s message. Glad that your finally received your printer! My HP All-in-One has an irritating trick ? changing an empty cartridge throws up a message that the new one is beyond its expiry date and performance will not be guaranteed ? all to make you buy a new cartridge at extortionate cost! ? Best Pat That might be the least of your problems. Some printer/scanners, including mine, have a feature where if it doesn?t detect a useable print cartridge, the unit is blocked from doing anything at all - even scanning. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 05:29:59 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:29:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Parcelforce In-Reply-To: <8F7C3C1A-A91F-4010-AB84-14FD5BDDBE71@me.com> References: <61e683ae.1c69fb81.4e55b.aeaa@mx.google.com> <8F7C3C1A-A91F-4010-AB84-14FD5BDDBE71@me.com> Message-ID: <73130c0f-309b-3c49-a43d-201031460126@gmail.com> That's why you should buy non-cartridge printers. https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/printers-scanners-and-ink/printers/319_3065_30087_xx_ba00010757-bv00313337/xx-criteria.html They cost more but the ink is cheap and lasts a long time. My Epson L355 has been here for a few years now, and I've filled the black a couple of times and the others once. https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/printers-scanners-and-ink/ink-and-cartridges/printer-cartridges/epson-104-black-ecotank-ink-bottle-10198893-pdt.html B On 18/01/2022 09:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > >> On 18 Jan 2022, at 09:09, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Hear, hear to Mike?s message. Glad that your finally received your >> printer! >> >> My HP All-in-One has an irritating trick ? changing an empty >> cartridge throws up a message that the new one is beyond its expiry >> date and performance will not be guaranteed ? all to make you buy a >> new cartridge at extortionate cost! >> >> Best >> >> Pat >> > > That might be the least of your problems. Some printer/scanners, > including mine, have a feature where if it doesn?t detect a useable > print cartridge, the unit is blocked from doing anything at all - even > scanning. > > Alan Taylor > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 18 05:37:03 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:37:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printers - was Parcelforce In-Reply-To: <73130c0f-309b-3c49-a43d-201031460126@gmail.com> References: <61e683ae.1c69fb81.4e55b.aeaa@mx.google.com> <8F7C3C1A-A91F-4010-AB84-14FD5BDDBE71@me.com> <73130c0f-309b-3c49-a43d-201031460126@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61e6a660.1c69fb81.89ae0.6e73@mx.google.com> Yeah! But at the time, the tank systems were not available. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2022 11:30 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Parcelforce That's why you should buy non-cartridge printers. https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/printers-scanners-and-ink/printers/319_3065_30087_xx_ba00010757-bv00313337/xx-criteria.html They cost more but the ink is cheap and lasts a long time. My Epson L355 has been here for a few years now, and I've filled the black a couple of times and the others once. https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/printers-scanners-and-ink/ink-and-cartridges/printer-cartridges/epson-104-black-ecotank-ink-bottle-10198893-pdt.html B On 18/01/2022 09:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: On 18 Jan 2022, at 09:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Hear, hear to Mike?s message. Glad that your finally received your printer! My HP All-in-One has an irritating trick ? changing an empty cartridge throws up a message that the new one is beyond its expiry date and performance will not be guaranteed ? all to make you buy a new cartridge at extortionate cost! ? Best Pat That might be the least of your problems. Some printer/scanners, including mine, have a feature where if it doesn?t detect a useable print cartridge, the unit is blocked from doing anything at all - even scanning. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 05:52:02 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:52:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Long ago, in a place that no longer exists..... Message-ID: <91b078dd-4ba5-f03a-d2de-f7b82952edbe@gmail.com> I think it was Saturday January 4th 1969, though it could have been the 10th. I was the youngest, junior-est member of crew 7, and we did the second in the series of "Happening for Lulu".? Crew 13 had done the first in the series, and Stan Dorfmann , directing from a gallery fragrant enough that if you went up there, there was a risk of getting high from the fumes, had told them to let it all hang out.? This was the second week, and he'd been told not to feature the crew in every shot. Anyway, this is the only time ever in my career that I turned out to be pleased to be cable bashing. Actually, for the rest of the series I tracked the Nike with Mike Turner swinging. Ron Green was, of course, on the front. I have a feeling that Ron spent a cumulative time of years on the front of a crane. That's not a criticism - he was the best (and so was I on the back, of course). Anyway again, this was the show on which Jimi Hendrix decided he was going to play something else, and it was also the sequence that Bob Pratt, from VT, illegally copied off and stashed away so that it can still be seen.? It's been run hundreds of times, and if you tune to Yesterday right now you can probably watch it again. The show was live in TC4, and recorded on a 2" VR1000, and neither the studio, nor the VT machine nor the tape still exist. I had reason to look up the clip on YouTube last night - it's been on there for years, though for the first few? the BBC would take it and people would put it back.? I use at the beginning of after lunch/dinner speeches to wake people up . So I looked on YouTube last night, and it's become different - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNkapt6r5m8 Is this a good thing? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Tue Jan 18 06:14:39 2022 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 12:14:39 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions Message-ID: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> A couple of 'Save Our BBC' petitions - https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of -the-license-fee?signed=true https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 08:16:51 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:16:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive oversimplification.?? I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part of British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the lunchtime BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the licence fee system is outdated.? I think it would have gone long ago if anyone had come up with a better idea.? We need the BBC to stay, but I know that two of my three children don't have TV licences because they don't have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, Netflix etc don't require that. So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits the next generation who don't watch linear TV. Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. B On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ? > > https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true > > https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 > > Rob > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Tue Jan 18 08:21:36 2022 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Remember these? References: <718971366.2485785.1642515696101.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <718971366.2485785.1642515696101@mail.yahoo.com> ?Does anyone remember these?The OGWT ticket is from the TV Theatre in about 1977 I think (Larry Coryell's 11th House....which I wasn't too impressed with) and the EDC is from the mid 80s. ? All the best everyone,?? ?Gary C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To DVD would be fine. > > Any recommendations? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Jan 18 08:46:41 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:46:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f6a0c8d-ac0c-dae9-f435-ab8956d36fff@btinternet.com> I agree the licence fee is outdated. But not the idea of a publicly funded broadcaster. Some other EU countries do similar by a tax rather like NI. Which all in work pay. Not sure if that would be any fairer. Nor can I see how you can have terrestrial broadcasts via individual subscription. Even more so for radio - that so many still use in cars and so on. Nor to I fancy relying on broadband for everything. Despite it being better than many here, it still doesn't approach the near 100% reliability of Crystal Place.? On 18/01/2022 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive > oversimplification.?? I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part of > British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the lunchtime > BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the licence fee > system is outdated.? I think it would have gone long ago if anyone had > come up with a better idea.? We need the BBC to stay, but I know that > two of my three children don't have TV licences because they don't > have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, Netflix etc don't > require that. > > So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that > lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits > the next generation who don't watch linear TV. > > Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. > > B > > > > On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ? >> >> https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true >> >> https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 >> >> Rob >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Jan 18 10:47:48 2022 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 16:47:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> B - Unfortunately, it is more political than anything else, and I quote as examples everything else that the right-wing administrations have imposed on us - the destruction of the NHS, Water, Gas and Electricity supply, letters and parcel delivery, railway system. Obsessed by the myth of market ?efficiency?, (whatever that may mean), they have destroyed and asset stripped the country for no apparent improvement, witness the delivery of Christmas cards on January 5. Mostly to enrich their supporters and financiers. When Netflix and the rest start doing proper ?Non-Fox? journalism, then I?ll consider an alternative, for the present the licence is the least worst option. Incidentally, according to TV Licensing - 'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube? You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC iPlayer. You don?t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand on YouTube. But you do need a TV Licence if you watch TV programmes live on YouTube. An example of this would be watching Sky News live. But it isn?t just live news or sport which needs a licence ? it?s any programme which is part of a TV channel, broadcast or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time.? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 18 Jan 2022, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive oversimplification. I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part of British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the lunchtime BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the licence fee system is outdated. I think it would have gone long ago if anyone had come up with a better idea. We need the BBC to stay, but I know that two of my three children don't have TV licences because they don't have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, Netflix etc don't require that. > > So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits the next generation who don't watch linear TV. > > Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. > > B > > > > On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ? >> >> https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true >> >> https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 >> >> Rob >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Jan 18 11:20:36 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 17:20:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> Message-ID: Lets Nationalise em all again then Pickfords removals Road haulage Thomas Cook and even the Brewers were targeted by T Benn. The beeb could go global with Iplayer and concentrate on what it does best, docs,classic drama and the Arts. There is a huge world wide demand for quality TV without ads. Its News and Current Affairs should be unbiased and not follow the papers into the gutter. The facts followed by truly diverse opinion pieces? The licence is outdated , the beeb bloated and out of touch. That its criminal not to own a licence and view live tv is medieval, like paying for Sainsburys but preferring ALDI. > On 18 Jan 2022, at 16:47, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > B - > > Unfortunately, it is more political than anything else, and I quote as examples everything else that the right-wing administrations have imposed on us - > > the destruction of the NHS, Water, Gas and Electricity supply, letters and parcel delivery, railway system. > > Obsessed by the myth of market ?efficiency?, (whatever that may mean), they have destroyed and asset stripped the country for no apparent improvement, witness the delivery of Christmas cards on January 5. Mostly to enrich their supporters and financiers. > > When Netflix and the rest start doing proper ?Non-Fox? journalism, then I?ll consider an alternative, for the present the licence is the least worst option. > > Incidentally, according to TV Licensing - > > 'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube? > You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC iPlayer. > You don?t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand on YouTube. But you do need a TV Licence if you watch TV programmes live on YouTube. An example of this would be watching Sky News live. But it isn?t just live news or sport which needs a licence ? it?s any programme which is part of a TV channel, broadcast or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time.? > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > >> On 18 Jan 2022, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive oversimplification. I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part of British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the lunchtime BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the licence fee system is outdated. I think it would have gone long ago if anyone had come up with a better idea. We need the BBC to stay, but I know that two of my three children don't have TV licences because they don't have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, Netflix etc don't require that. >> >> So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits the next generation who don't watch linear TV. >> >> Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >>> A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ? >>> >>> https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true >>> >>> https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He had therefore after careful examination and consideration decided not to join the scheme and would not be offering any further investment contributions. Fast forward a good many years. Taxation in one form or another continues to support everything our country and its citizens need from infrastructure to education to health and social welfare. I have heard indignant bachelors protesting that as they had no intention of ever fathering children they should not be paying to support education or child welfare. If you take apart the huge range of government spending it would likely throw up all manner of funding that people could variously claim to derive no benefit from. You see where this is going. Taxation is not an optional contribution and legal sanction can be and is enforced. The fact that the BBC license fee is stood apart means the payer can all too readily decide that, as a user exclusively of other media, this is not a scheme he/she should be legally obliged to contribute to. If the licence fee is abolished, then the BBC would would have to either be funded from taxation or by commercial subscription. Clearly the latter scenario would mean, in order to compete with Netflix and the like, major re-profiling of its program output away from the very material that distinguishes it and enjoys widespread recognition for its worth. Governments always hasten to endorse this worth yet choose to promulgate the idea that attacking its revenue source will not harm that uniqueness. So what about direct government funding? One ?merit? might be the poorest paying least in the form of their taxes. But there are mighty big ?ifs? as well. Whatever annual sum might be agreed upon it would need to be inflation linked on an annual basis with a time period to first review sufficiently long to enable forward planning. Review criteria would need to be under a remit precluding the whole thing being thrown up in the air again every five or whatever years. I can?t see it happening. I think Alasdair is right ? the license is for now the least worst option though clearly hardships should be ameliorated through one channel or another of benefit payments. In order for it not to fail however there would need to be as of now an end to this farce of death by a thousand cuts with a so called ?Culture? secretary wielding the axe. Dave Newbitt. From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:47 PM To: Bernard Newnham Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petitions B - Unfortunately, it is more political than anything else, and I quote as examples everything else that the right-wing administrations have imposed on us - the destruction of the NHS, Water, Gas and Electricity supply, letters and parcel delivery, railway system. Obsessed by the myth of market ?efficiency?, (whatever that may mean), they have destroyed and asset stripped the country for no apparent improvement, witness the delivery of Christmas cards on January 5. Mostly to enrich their supporters and financiers. When Netflix and the rest start doing proper ?Non-Fox? journalism, then I?ll consider an alternative, for the present the licence is the least worst option. Incidentally, according to TV Licensing - 'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube? You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC iPlayer. You don?t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand on YouTube. But you do need a TV Licence if you watch TV programmes live on YouTube. An example of this would be watching Sky News live. But it isn?t just live news or sport which needs a licence ? it?s any programme which is part of a TV channel, broadcast or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time.? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 18 Jan 2022, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive oversimplification. I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part of British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the lunchtime BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the licence fee system is outdated. I think it would have gone long ago if anyone had come up with a better idea. We need the BBC to stay, but I know that two of my three children don't have TV licences because they don't have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, Netflix etc don't require that. So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits the next generation who don't watch linear TV. Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. B On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ? https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 Rob -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Jan 18 11:42:06 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 17:42:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> Message-ID: Oh Roger, I love you dearly but you do talk bollocks sometimes! Very few people are suggesting total renationalisation, though it is interesting that currently railways and energy companies are rapidly heading back in that direction by default, since the privatised system has failed. The Beeb could go i-player only but that would disenfranchise an enormous number of the viewing public, who don't have the means (economic or technical) to receive entertainment through the net. Remember that even if people have the knowledge of how to use a smart TV, and the necessary ISP, router etc, there are many areas of the UK where the internet is barely available. You would have to turn off all terrestrial radio and TV because you can't use a subscription model for these. That is really going to go down well with the impecunious and a vast number of the older generation who only watch free-to-air services. You won't want to be at home when ~they~ come for you! And as soon as you have a subscription model for news you start to have the Fox problem - they need to feed the sort of news they think their viewers and listeners want to hear - and it won't be unbiased. That's why ~you~ rail against the newspapers - they (mostly) have to give their readers the red meat they like. The great benefit of the BBC News (and which has been largely copied by ITV News) is that is not subject to proprietorial demands. The licence fee isn't ideal, and could be improved, but sending the BBC, and all the other institutions of state into a hard-right privatised, devil-take-the-hindermost? world isn't going to work in anything but a Trumpist dictatorship. [Oh bugger - this should probably go into Discuss] Chris W On 18/01/2022 17:20, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > Lets Nationalise em all again then > Pickfords removals > Road haulage > Thomas Cook ?and even the Brewers were targeted by T Benn. > > The beeb could go global with Iplayer and concentrate on what it does > best, docs,classic drama and the Arts. > There is a huge world wide demand for quality TV without ads. > Its News and Current Affairs should be unbiased ?and not follow the > papers into the gutter. > The facts followed by truly diverse opinion pieces? > The licence is outdated , the beeb bloated and out of touch. > That its criminal not to own a licence and view live tv is medieval, > like paying for Sainsburys but preferring ALDI. > >> On 18 Jan 2022, at 16:47, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> B - >> >> Unfortunately, it is more political than anything else, and I quote >> as examples everything else that the right-wing administrations have >> imposed on us - >> >> the destruction of the NHS, Water, Gas and Electricity supply, >> letters and parcel delivery, railway system. >> >> Obsessed by the myth of market ?efficiency?, (whatever that may >> mean), they have destroyed and asset stripped the country for no >> apparent improvement, witness the delivery of Christmas cards on >> January 5. ? Mostly to enrich their supporters and financiers. >> >> When Netflix and the rest start doing proper ?Non-Fox? journalism, >> then I?ll consider an alternative, for the present the licence is the >> least worst option. >> >> Incidentally, according to TV Licensing - >> >> /*'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube?*/ >> /*You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live >> on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime >> Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only >> ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC >> iPlayer.*/ >> /*You don?t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand >> on YouTube. But you do need a TV Licence if you watch TV >> programmes live on YouTube. An example of this would be watching >> Sky News live. But it isn?t just live news or sport which needs a >> licence ? it?s any programme which is part of a TV channel, >> broadcast or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same >> time.*/*/?/* >> */ >> /* >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* >> / >> >> */ >> /* >> /* >> */ >> >> >> >>> On 18 Jan 2022, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive >>> oversimplification.?? I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part >>> of British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the >>> lunchtime BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the >>> licence fee system is outdated.? I think it would have gone long ago >>> if anyone had come up with a better idea. We need the BBC to stay, >>> but I know that two of my three children don't have TV licences >>> because they don't have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, >>> Netflix etc don't require that. >>> >>> So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that >>> lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits >>> the next generation who don't watch linear TV. >>> >>> Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ? >>>> https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true >>>> https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 >>>> Rob >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 18 11:44:11 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 17:44:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Moan! Message-ID: <61e6fc6c.1c69fb81.c70e2.0dfb@mx.google.com> Firstly, as a trained BBC employee, I am grateful to the BBC for furthering my career. When foreign countries were embroiled in various wars, the general populace listened to the BBC World Service to discover the actual situations, as that was considered to be the truth. The BBC motto is ?Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation?. Factions that wish to take over a country always target the broadcasters first to take over, as that is the propaganda conduit (i.e. control). In the case of the UK this would surely be the BBC. That is government funded, but if it were not, where would the power then lie? Most broadcasters in the UK are only interested in how much money they can make. At the moment, the BBC is somewhat out of favour with the Royal Family, because of Bashir?s interview with Diana as to how it was done, apparently, and also the Harry and Meghan farrago. But why should they be any less protected from exposure than anyone else ? oh! because they are the Royal Family. But they should set an example - Edward VII let them down for wanting to marry an American, followed by Harry, now? Well, that?s my knighthood out of the window! Don?t get me wrong , I am a devoted monarchist ? just wish that the Sovereign had more say in running the country. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Jan 18 12:03:00 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 18:03:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: <77A89AF2E1444C96BD249F51DFA42E93@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> <77A89AF2E1444C96BD249F51DFA42E93@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <3DD97F25-00E7-4F70-BB8B-C357C258F92A@mac.com> Dave N has sparked a thought, in that the licence fee paid by individuals/households could be variable according to one?s tax code, so that the well-healed amongst us can pay over the odds and be happy do so in the interests of the nation as a whole. There would be anomalies, such as those with no tax code, multi-occupancy establishments like student accommodation and commercial organisations, for example hotels, but I can?t say I know what hotels and the like pay at present. ?Conventional' households should pay according to the highest coded occupant and the condition should be maintained that the licence is required in order to watch live television by whatever means, or iPlayer, allowing those watching other than the BBC on demand to opt out of paying as they can now. Perhaps a radio licence on the same basis should be re-introduced ~ there can be almost nobody who doesn?t listen to live radio or to BBC Sounds, at least occasionally. The prospect of all viewing eventually being via broadband would allow absolute control over what people are obliged to pay and could even open the door to pay-per-view on top of a lower entitlement licence. Thus, multi-set households could find themselves paying extra when different family members are watching different channels. It strikes me that this might be an ideal subject for a Citizens Forum (or whatever they?re called), but their brief would have to be carefully worded ~ any volunteers? I wonder if anyone has worked out the environmental consequences/benefits of switching off TV transmitters in favour of moving everything online. Mike G > On 18 Jan 2022, at 17:30, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Many years ago I recall seeing (mainstream press) a highly witty piece written in the form of a letter from a dissatisfied citizen to HM Revenue regarding what he referred to as the ?Taxation scheme?. The writer began with a critique of the performance of various government departments (everything from education to the state of the roads), concluding that the result of all their spending had amounted to a pretty poor, if not woeful, outcome. He had therefore after careful examination and consideration decided not to join the scheme and would not be offering any further investment contributions. > > Fast forward a good many years. Taxation in one form or another continues to support everything our country and its citizens need from infrastructure to education to health and social welfare. I have heard indignant bachelors protesting that as they had no intention of ever fathering children they should not be paying to support education or child welfare. If you take apart the huge range of government spending it would likely throw up all manner of funding that people could variously claim to derive no benefit from. You see where this is going. > > Taxation is not an optional contribution and legal sanction can be and is enforced. The fact that the BBC license fee is stood apart means the payer can all too readily decide that, as a user exclusively of other media, this is not a scheme he/she should be legally obliged to contribute to. If the licence fee is abolished, then the BBC would would have to either be funded from taxation or by commercial subscription. Clearly the latter scenario would mean, in order to compete with Netflix and the like, major re-profiling of its program output away from the very material that distinguishes it and enjoys widespread recognition for its worth. Governments always hasten to endorse this worth yet choose to promulgate the idea that attacking its revenue source will not harm that uniqueness. > > So what about direct government funding? One ?merit? might be the poorest paying least in the form of their taxes. But there are mighty big ?ifs? as well. Whatever annual sum might be agreed upon it would need to be inflation linked on an annual basis with a time period to first review sufficiently long to enable forward planning. Review criteria would need to be under a remit precluding the whole thing being thrown up in the air again every five or whatever years. I can?t see it happening. > > I think Alasdair is right ? the license is for now the least worst option though clearly hardships should be ameliorated through one channel or another of benefit payments. In order for it not to fail however there would need to be as of now an end to this farce of death by a thousand cuts with a so called ?Culture? secretary wielding the axe. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:47 PM > To: Bernard Newnham <> > Cc: Tech Ops List <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petitions > > B - > > Unfortunately, it is more political than anything else, and I quote as examples everything else that the right-wing administrations have imposed on us - > > the destruction of the NHS, Water, Gas and Electricity supply, letters and parcel delivery, railway system. > > Obsessed by the myth of market ?efficiency?, (whatever that may mean), they have destroyed and asset stripped the country for no apparent improvement, witness the delivery of Christmas cards on January 5. Mostly to enrich their supporters and financiers. > > When Netflix and the rest start doing proper ?Non-Fox? journalism, then I?ll consider an alternative, for the present the licence is the least worst option. > > Incidentally, according to TV Licensing - > > 'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube? > You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC iPlayer. > You don?t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand on YouTube. But you do need a TV Licence if you watch TV programmes live on YouTube. An example of this would be watching Sky News live. But it isn?t just live news or sport which needs a licence ? it?s any programme which is part of a TV channel, broadcast or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time.? > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com <> > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > >> On 18 Jan 2022, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive oversimplification. I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part of British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the lunchtime BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the licence fee system is outdated. I think it would have gone long ago if anyone had come up with a better idea. We need the BBC to stay, but I know that two of my three children don't have TV licences because they don't have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, Netflix etc don't require that. >> >> So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits the next generation who don't watch linear TV. >> >> Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >>> A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ? >>> >>> https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true >>> >>> https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 18 12:16:08 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 18:16:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: <77A89AF2E1444C96BD249F51DFA42E93@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk><6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> <77A89AF2E1444C96BD249F51DFA42E93@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <61e703e9.1c69fb81.f936.83f0@mx.google.com> Dave has said a bit about what I intimated in an earlier message. Where I live has 3 blocks of flats and a while back, a scheme of fairly charging owners for the service charges was worked out according to the then current council rating values. As the properties varied from 3-bed flats to bedsits. This worked well as it obviated the bleat that ? I don?t need to pay for that, as I do not benefit? excuse. It?s a very complicated calculation, but our managing agents have built it into their computer programme and it seems to work satisfactorily. Mike G?s posting has a bit of this. The excuse that ?I don?t watch BBC, so why do I have to pay a licence fee? does not compute. Look at the licence wording: ability to receive material: This licence lets you use and install TV receiving equipment at the licensed place. You are covered to: a) watch and record programmes as they?re being shown on TV or live on an online TV service, including programmes streamed over the internet and satellite programmes from outside the UK, and b) watch or download BBC programmes on demand, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer. This can be on any device, including TVs, desktop computers, laptops, mobile phones, tablets, games consoles, digital boxes, DVD, Blu-ray and VHS recorders, or anything else Whether the ?Pay per view? would work ? I don?t know. If you decided to switch away after the first couple of minutes, would you be charged the whole programme or only the time viewed? That didn?t apply in cinemas, did it! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2022 17:30 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petitions Many years ago I recall seeing (mainstream press) a highly witty piece written in the form of a letter from a dissatisfied citizen to HM Revenue regarding what he referred to as the ?Taxation scheme?. The writer began with a critique of the performance of various government departments (everything from education to the state of the roads), concluding that the result of all their spending had amounted to a pretty poor, if not woeful, outcome. He had therefore after careful examination and consideration decided not to join the scheme and would not be offering any further investment contributions. ? Fast forward a good many years. Taxation in one form or another continues to support everything our country and its citizens need from infrastructure to education to health and social welfare. I have heard indignant bachelors protesting that as they had no intention of ever fathering children they should not be paying to support education or child welfare. If you take apart the huge range of government spending it would likely throw up all manner of funding that people could variously claim to derive no benefit from. You see where this is going. ? Taxation is not an optional contribution and legal sanction can be and is enforced. The fact that the BBC license fee is stood apart means the payer can all too readily decide that, as a user exclusively of other media, this is not a scheme he/she should be legally obliged to contribute to. If the licence fee is abolished, then the BBC would would have to either be funded from taxation or by commercial subscription. Clearly the latter scenario would mean, in order to compete with Netflix and the like, major re-profiling of its program output away from the very material that distinguishes it and enjoys widespread recognition for its worth. Governments always hasten to endorse this worth yet choose to promulgate the idea that attacking its revenue source will not harm that uniqueness. ? So what about direct government funding? One ?merit? might be the poorest paying least in the form of their taxes. But there are mighty big ?ifs? as well. Whatever annual sum might be agreed upon it would need to be inflation linked on an annual basis with a time period to first review sufficiently long to enable forward planning. Review criteria would need to be under a remit precluding the whole thing being thrown up in the air again every five or whatever years. I can?t see it happening. ? I think Alasdair is right ? the license is for now the least worst option though clearly hardships should be ameliorated? through one channel or another of benefit payments. In order for it not to fail however there would need to be as of now an end to this farce of death by a thousand cuts with a so called ?Culture? secretary wielding the axe. ? Dave Newbitt.?????? ? From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:47 PM To: Bernard Newnham Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petitions ? B -? ? Unfortunately, it is more political than anything else, and I quote as examples everything else that the right-wing administrations have imposed on us - ? the destruction of the NHS, Water, Gas and Electricity supply, letters and parcel delivery, railway system. ? Obsessed by the myth of market ?efficiency?, (whatever that may mean), they have destroyed and asset stripped the country for no apparent improvement, witness the delivery of Christmas cards on January 5.?? Mostly to enrich their supporters and financiers. ? When Netflix and the rest start doing proper ?Non-Fox? journalism, then I?ll consider an alternative, for the present the licence is the least worst option. ? Incidentally, according to TV Licensing - 'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube? You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC iPlayer. You don?t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand on YouTube. But you do need a TV Licence if you watch TV programmes live on YouTube. An example of this would be watching Sky News live. But it isn?t just live news or sport which needs a licence ? it?s any programme which is part of a TV channel, broadcast or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time.? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. ? ? ? On 18 Jan 2022, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive oversimplification.?? I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part of British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the lunchtime BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the licence fee system is outdated.? I think it would have gone long ago if anyone had come up with a better idea.? We need the BBC to stay, but I know that two of my three children don't have TV licences because they don't have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, Netflix etc don't require that.? So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits the next generation who don't watch linear TV. Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. B On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ?? ? https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true ? https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 ? Rob --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Jan 18 12:21:38 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 18:21:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: <3DD97F25-00E7-4F70-BB8B-C357C258F92A@mac.com> References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> <77A89AF2E1444C96BD249F51DFA42E93@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <3DD97F25-00E7-4F70-BB8B-C357C258F92A@mac.com> Message-ID: <14de40ea-6bd9-e497-d8a5-4312515640f8@btinternet.com> My earlier post hasn't appeared, so I'll try again:- I agree the licence fee is outdated. But not the idea of a publicly funded broadcaster. Some other EU countries do similar by a tax rather like NI. Which all in work pay. Not sure if that would be any fairer. Nor can I see how you can have terrestrial broadcasts via individual subscription. Even more so for radio - that so many still use in cars and so on. Nor to I fancy relying on broadband for everything. Despite it being better than many here, it still doesn't approach the near 100% reliability of Crystal Place.? On 18/01/2022 18:03, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote: > Dave N has sparked a thought, in that the licence fee paid by > individuals/households could be variable according to one?s tax code, > so that the well-healed amongst us can pay over the odds and be happy > do so in the interests of the nation as a whole. There would be > anomalies, such as those with no tax code, multi-occupancy > establishments like student accommodation and commercial > organisations, for example hotels, but I can?t say I know what hotels > and the like pay at present. ?Conventional'?households should pay > according to the highest coded occupant and the condition should be > maintained that the licence is required in order to watch live > television by whatever means, or iPlayer, allowing those watching > other than the BBC on demand to opt out of paying as they can now. > Perhaps a radio licence on the same basis should be re-introduced ~ > ?there can be almost nobody who doesn?t listen to live radio or to BBC > Sounds, at least occasionally. > > The prospect of all viewing eventually being via broadband would allow > absolute control over what people are obliged to pay and could even > open the door to pay-per-view on top of a lower entitlement licence. > Thus, multi-set households could find themselves paying extra when > different family members are watching different channels. > > It strikes me that this might be an ideal subject for a Citizens Forum > (or whatever they?re called), but their brief would have to be > carefully worded ~ any volunteers? > > I wonder if anyone has worked out the environmental > consequences/benefits of switching off TV transmitters in favour of > moving everything online. > > Mike G > > >> On 18 Jan 2022, at 17:30, David Newbitt via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Many years ago I recall seeing (mainstream press) a highly witty >> piece written in the form of a letter from a dissatisfied citizen to >> HM Revenue regarding what he referred to as the ?Taxation scheme?. >> The writer began with a critique of the performance of various >> government departments (everything from education to the state of the >> roads), concluding that the result of all their spending had amounted >> to a pretty poor, if not woeful, outcome. He had therefore after >> careful examination and consideration decided not to join the scheme >> and would not be offering any further investment contributions. >> Fast forward a good many years. Taxation in one form or another >> continues to support everything our country and its citizens need >> from infrastructure to education to health and social welfare. I have >> heard indignant bachelors protesting that as they had no intention of >> ever fathering children they should not be paying to support >> education or child welfare. If you take apart the huge range of >> government spending it would likely throw up all manner of funding >> that people could variously claim to derive no benefit from. You see >> where this is going. >> Taxation is not an optional contribution and legal sanction can be >> and is enforced. The fact that the BBC license fee is stood apart >> means the payer can all too readily decide that, as a user >> exclusively of other media, this is not a scheme he/she should be >> legally obliged to contribute to. If the licence fee is abolished, >> then the BBC would would have to either be funded from taxation or by >> commercial subscription. Clearly the latter scenario would mean, in >> order to compete with Netflix and the like, major re-profiling of its >> program output away from the very material that distinguishes it and >> enjoys widespread recognition for its worth. Governments always >> hasten to endorse this worth yet choose to promulgate the idea that >> attacking its revenue source will not harm that uniqueness. >> So what about direct government funding? One ?merit? might be the >> poorest paying least in the form of their taxes. But there are mighty >> big ?ifs? as well. Whatever annual sum might be agreed upon it would >> need to be inflation linked on an annual basis with a time period to >> first review sufficiently long to enable forward planning. Review >> criteria would need to be under a remit precluding the whole thing >> being thrown up in the air again every five or whatever years. I >> can?t see it happening. >> I think Alasdair is right ? the license is for now the least worst >> option though clearly hardships should be ameliorated? through one >> channel or another of benefit payments. In order for it not to fail >> however there would need to be as of now an end to this farce of >> death by a thousand cuts with a so called ?Culture? secretary >> wielding the axe. >> Dave Newbitt. >> *From:* Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:47 PM >> *To:* Bernard Newnham >> *Cc:* Tech Ops List >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Petitions >> B - >> Unfortunately, it is more political than anything else, and I quote >> as examples everything else that the right-wing administrations have >> imposed on us - >> the destruction of the NHS, Water, Gas and Electricity supply, >> letters and parcel delivery, railway system. >> Obsessed by the myth of market ?efficiency?, (whatever that may >> mean), they have destroyed and asset stripped the country for no >> apparent improvement, witness the delivery of Christmas cards on >> January 5. Mostly to enrich their supporters and financiers. >> When Netflix and the rest start doing proper ?Non-Fox? journalism, >> then I?ll consider an alternative, for the present the licence is the >> least worst option. >> Incidentally, according to TV Licensing - >> >> /*'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube?*/ >> /*You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live >> on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime >> Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only >> ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC >> iPlayer.*/ >> /*You don?t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand >> on YouTube. But you do need a TV Licence if you watch TV >> programmes live on YouTube. An example of this would be watching >> Sky News live. But it isn?t just live news or sport which needs a >> licence ? it?s any programme which is part of a TV channel, >> broadcast or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same >> time.*/*/?/* >> */ >> /* >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* >> / >> */ >> /* >> /* >> */ >> >>> On 18 Jan 2022, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> I think "Save our BBC" , and political accusations are a massive >>> oversimplification.?? I think the BBC (mostly) is an important part >>> of British culture, even though I endlessly sit shouting at the >>> lunchtime BBC news. But the world has changed enormously, and the >>> licence fee system is outdated.? I think it would have gone long ago >>> if anyone had come up with a better idea. We need the BBC to stay, >>> but I know that two of my three children don't have TV licences >>> because they don't have a means of watching broadcast TV. YouTube, >>> Netflix etc don't require that. >>> >>> So saving the BBC - as we should - needs some good idea, one that >>> lasts well beyond "here today, gone tomorrow" politicians and suits >>> the next generation who don't watch linear TV. >>> >>> Answers on a postcard - no politics or religion. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 18/01/2022 12:14, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> A couple of ?Save Our BBC? petitions ? >>>> https://www.change.org/p/nadine-dorries-save-the-bbc-oppose-the-abolition-of-the-license-fee?signed=true >>>> https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-our-bbc-1 >>>> Rob >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 18 13:05:48 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 19:05:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old films Message-ID: <61e70f8c.1c69fb81.7a173.13a3@mx.google.com> I see that occasionally ?Berlin Express? gets aired. I remember an afternoon on Grandstand when the weather shut off all OB?s of sports fixtures, so Pres ran ?Express? and we all sat around the studio monitor on the green canvas chairs and watched the film. Being paid, too! Wonder if it?s been transferred to digital ? in those days it was probably 35mm Telecine. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Tue Jan 18 13:14:26 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 19:14:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old films In-Reply-To: <61e70f8c.1c69fb81.7a173.13a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 18 13:33:45 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 19:33:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old films In-Reply-To: References: <61e70f8c.1c69fb81.7a173.13a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <61e71619.1c69fb81.10533.8dc8@mx.google.com> So it is! I once travelled on an overnight sleeper from Bucharest to Onesti in Romania for a doc about Nadia Comaneci ? she had an armed guard! Very European spy situation! I?m a good shot, once got offered a job with the Toronto Armed Response Unit when they saw how accurate I was at their range. Sadly, shooting put paid to my sound career, as I suffered tinnitus. Have a 20db dip at 6kcs. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Paul Thackray Sent: 18 January 2022 19:14 To: patheigham; Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old films Shown tomorrow 1515 on freeview ch 51 (will not be TK!)? Paul Thackray From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 18 January 2022 19:06 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net Subject: [Tech1] Old films I see that occasionally ?Berlin Express? gets aired. I remember an afternoon on Grandstand when the weather shut off all OB?s of sports fixtures, so? Pres ran ?Express? and we all sat around the studio monitor on the green canvas chairs and watched the film. Being paid, too! Wonder if it?s been transferred to digital ? in those days it was probably 35mm Telecine. Pat ? ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 15:01:39 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:01:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com> <8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> Message-ID: On 18/01/2022 16:47, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > /*'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube?*/ > /*You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live > on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime > Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only > ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC > iPlayer.*/ ?"So, Mrs Bloggs, I understand that you have no TV or aerial, you're housebound and have six months to live.? Unfortunately, watching your local church service live on YouTube without a TV Licence is against the law, and you'll be fined ?500" It's not a party political problem, it's a society problem, and so far no government has gripped it. But they'll have to, soon enough. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Jan 18 18:08:50 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 00:08:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petitions In-Reply-To: References: <003801d80c64$f7ab4810$e701d830$@soundsuper.co.uk><6efd952d-5778-4aa1-b909-1219d078cabe@gmail.com><8D49559D-DC00-4CD5-B540-3D7492126E22@me.com> Message-ID: <79791B6B001840EA99CDA35F058071EB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Bernie, Obviously you make your point well with an illustration nobody would choose to see come about. I think though that the premise your scenario rests on is that the unfortunate lady has no license as it has been beyond her means/circumstances to obtain one. In arguing for the continuation of the license fee I did point out that in the case of the poor, the needy and disadvantaged, financial support could and should be there so that either a subsidised fee or exemption certificate ensures such folk are within the law. When you argue the notion of a society rather than a political problem, whatever issues society may feel strongly about they are surely only translatable into action through politicians and government. In the end it is political though not necessarily party political. I am also reminded that many years ago when Lord Justice Denning was Master of the Rolls he, in reference to compliance with the letter of the law, stated that the Courts should always consider whether the accused had, in all the circumstances acted and behaved in a manner that fair and decent people would regard as reasonable. This is not a verbatim account of his pronouncement ? it was far too long ago for me to be word for word accurate. However, I remember the essence of it very well as, at the time, it struck me as a principle that should be abided by. If (and I know not whether it fell by the wayside) it remains as an element of justice then I think Mrs Bloggs would be ok. Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:01 PM Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petitions On 18/01/2022 16:47, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: 'Do I need a TV Licence to watch online, including on YouTube? You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch programmes live on any online TV service - such as ITV Hub, All 4, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV or Sky Go. You don?t need a TV Licence if you only ever watch on demand programmes on any TV service apart from BBC iPlayer. "So, Mrs Bloggs, I understand that you have no TV or aerial, you're housebound and have six months to live. Unfortunately, watching your local church service live on YouTube without a TV Licence is against the law, and you'll be fined ?500" It's not a party political problem, it's a society problem, and so far no government has gripped it. But they'll have to, soon enough. B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Jan 20 04:02:20 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:02:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61e9332c.1c69fb81.1d0e.91df@mx.google.com> This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. ? https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 ? Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. ? Oops! ? Dave Newbitt. ? ? Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Jan 20 04:21:55 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:21:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <61e9332c.1c69fb81.1d0e.91df@mx.google.com> References: <61e9332c.1c69fb81.1d0e.91df@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). > Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! > That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. > We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: David Newbitt via Tech1 > Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research > > I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. > > https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 > > Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. > > Oops! > > Dave Newbitt. > > > Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Jan 20 04:24:41 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:24:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> References: <61e9332c.1c69fb81.1d0e.91df@mx.google.com> <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> Message-ID: <69065557-bdad-24d1-5e14-31708805ea97@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 20/01/2022 10:21, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, I had a lengthy argument with a guy in St Neots, Cambridge, about collecting some gear - he told me he'd be in all day if I wanted to call round. He didn't seem to understand that I live near St Neot.... Cornwall. Chris W > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Jan 20 04:52:21 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:52:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> References: <61e9332c.1c69fb81.1d0e.91df@mx.google.com> <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> Message-ID: <61e93ee4.1c69fb81.a154f.adb7@mx.google.com> For me, the police shoot was fascinating ? we ate take-aways with them in their station crew room, and listened to many stories, learning about their lives. Cruising around a housing estate which was the area wherein lived most of the local villains, we stopped at a dwelling inhabited by one of the local tarts, who turned out to be their ?snout?. Very attractive young lady! who came out to the car for a chat. Nothing very exciting ? only escorting an HGV which could not cross a weak river bridge, for a long detour and pulling over a chap who had shot a red light, to scare him. The patrol car was a Vauxhall Omega? Our guys reckoned it was sh*t but it went like nobody?s business! At that time we used a Betacam inside the car, with a lipstick camera on the visor for the officers. Two radio mics and a 416 was all we could do. Interceptors and Traffic Cops now have the technology of body worn cameras, and GoPros in the cars to give a wealth of coverage. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Graeme Wall Sent: 20 January 2022 10:22 To: patheigham Cc: David Newbitt; Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). > Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! > That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. > We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jan 20 05:01:23 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:01:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> Message-ID: Confusion with similar sounding place names has plagued me all my life. I used to live at Botley, near Oxford. In the days before postcodes, we were always getting sent letters intended for an identical road in Botley near Southampton. These days I live in a village called Hanwell in Oxfordshire. Most of you London folks would assume that Hanwell is that place next to Ealing. I?m always spotting things online where somebody suggests an Oxfordshire walk might start at Hanwell and end at the Grand Union Canal. It might be possible to start here and walk there, but it would take a while. Similarly I have seen references to Hanwell Castle being near Ealing. Unless there is a castle I don?t know about in the Ealing area, it?s another case of mistaken identity. Then there was the time I was scheduled to work at Farnborough for the air show. I?d never been there before, looked at my atlas and discovered that there were several Farnboroughs in England. Military airfields were not shown on the maps, so I had to ask our planning office which one I needed to go to. I had already ruled out the one in Kent and another one up north, so the choice was between Hants or Berks. The lady in the office guessed wrong, which is how I spent a morning on the Berks/ Wilts borders asking where the airfield was, repeatedly being directed to Membury airfield. When I got there I could see it was disused and now houses a motorway service station and a transmitter mast, both of which led me to suspect that they don?t have many air shows there these days. Then there was the time when I was asked by telephone to go to the boxing at York Town Hall. I asked that they double checked whether it really was York Town Hall, or whether it was that well known boxing venue, York Halls in Bethnal Green, east London. Needless to say, it was the latter. Alan Taylor > On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. > > Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). >> Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! >> That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. >> We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! >> >> Pat >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >> Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research >> >> I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. >> >> https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 >> >> Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. >> >> Oops! >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Jan 20 05:44:57 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:44:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1749BBB4-974F-42E1-8E7A-6CAD6C10CC96@icloud.com> I lived in Chatsworth Road in Southampton, there is a Chatsworth Road in Chandlers Ford, I was always getting thir post. Then one day bailiffs appeared at the door to reposess a Ford Sierra. I?ve never had a Ford and told them so in no uncertain terms. Yup, they?d got the wrong Chatsworth Road. Never got an apology. ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Jan 2022, at 11:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Confusion with similar sounding place names has plagued me all my life. > > I used to live at Botley, near Oxford. In the days before postcodes, we were always getting sent letters intended for an identical road in Botley near Southampton. > > These days I live in a village called Hanwell in Oxfordshire. Most of you London folks would assume that Hanwell is that place next to Ealing. I?m always spotting things online where somebody suggests an Oxfordshire walk might start at Hanwell and end at the Grand Union Canal. It might be possible to start here and walk there, but it would take a while. Similarly I have seen references to Hanwell Castle being near Ealing. Unless there is a castle I don?t know about in the Ealing area, it?s another case of mistaken identity. > > Then there was the time I was scheduled to work at Farnborough for the air show. I?d never been there before, looked at my atlas and discovered that there were several Farnboroughs in England. Military airfields were not shown on the maps, so I had to ask our planning office which one I needed to go to. I had already ruled out the one in Kent and another one up north, so the choice was between Hants or Berks. The lady in the office guessed wrong, which is how I spent a morning on the Berks/ Wilts borders asking where the airfield was, repeatedly being directed to Membury airfield. When I got there I could see it was disused and now houses a motorway service station and a transmitter mast, both of which led me to suspect that they don?t have many air shows there these days. > > Then there was the time when I was asked by telephone to go to the boxing at York Town Hall. I asked that they double checked whether it really was York Town Hall, or whether it was that well known boxing venue, York Halls in Bethnal Green, east London. Needless to say, it was the latter. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. >> >> Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). >>> Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! >>> That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. >>> We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! >>> >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>> >>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >>> Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research >>> >>> I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. >>> >>> https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 >>> >>> Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. >>> >>> Oops! >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Thu Jan 20 07:04:20 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:04:20 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <61e9332c.1c69fb81.1d0e.91df@mx.google.com> References: <61e9332c.1c69fb81.1d0e.91df@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003b01d80dfe$3d08f0c0$b71ad240$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Very much like the Darts Recce at Lakeside, everyone went to Firmly Green except the Camera Supervisor who went to shopping centre?.only 60 miles between them. Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 20 January 2022 10:02 To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. Oops! Dave Newbitt. Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jan 20 07:39:29 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:39:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <003b01d80dfe$3d08f0c0$b71ad240$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <003b01d80dfe$3d08f0c0$b71ad240$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <25202BBF-1269-4504-A536-AE93834F128D@me.com> I was asked to attend a recce. As the recce was starting at 14:00, it was suggested that we might like to rendezvous at a lovely country pub at 12:30. The directions were to meet at the Navigation Inn near Old Stratford. This created multiple problems. The first is that there is a little known law which states that there has to be a pub called ?The Navigator? or ?The Navigation? roughly every five miles along every British canal. As a result there were at least two which could reasonably be assumed to be the one near Old Stratford. As it happened people found three different ones near there and each waited for the others. The other problem was with the name Stratford. I don?t think anybody imagined it was the Stratford in the east of London, but two people assumed that Old Stratford was where the Bard used to hang out in olden days. As it happens, that Stratford also has a canal, together with a sprinkling of Navigation Inns nearby. Those two peoplefound different Navigation Inns near Stratford upon Avon, ordered a pint and waited for everybody else to show up. After wondering why hardly anybody had turned up, a few phone calls were made. The various people were rounded up at their respective Navigation Inns, asked to drain their glasses and make their way to one specific Navigation Inn, whose location was described with the sort of precision which would have been advantageous at the outset. Alan Taylor > On 20 Jan 2022, at 13:05, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Very much like the Darts Recce at Lakeside, everyone went to Firmly Green except the Camera Supervisor who went to shopping centre?.only 60 miles between them. > > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > 07802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: 20 January 2022 10:02 > To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research > > This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). > Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! > That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. > We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: David Newbitt via Tech1 > Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research > > I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. > > https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 > > Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. > > Oops! > > Dave Newbitt. > > > Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Jan 20 08:12:22 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:12:22 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <1749BBB4-974F-42E1-8E7A-6CAD6C10CC96@icloud.com> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <1749BBB4-974F-42E1-8E7A-6CAD6C10CC96@icloud.com> Message-ID: There is widespread ignorance amongst the general public regarding which county places are in, even when there is only one of a particular name. Discounting the confusion created by messing about with county boundaries, I being a Somerset resident, am particularly aware of that county's towns, villages and areas never-endingly being assigned to Devon. Old postcards of Somerset places sold on eBay are frequently described by the seller as Devon in cases where only the particular location is captioned on the card itself, but there are also numbers of cards where the postcard has been incorrectly captioned as -------, Devon by the postcard producer (example attached, WWII era). I have lost count of the number of times I have seen and heard Exmoor referred to as being in Devon. Exmoor of course straddles the two counties but two thirds of the national park is in Somerset. Taunton and Minehead are front runners for the most frequent errors. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:44 AM To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research I lived in Chatsworth Road in Southampton, there is a Chatsworth Road in Chandlers Ford, I was always getting thir post. Then one day bailiffs appeared at the door to reposess a Ford Sierra. I?ve never had a Ford and told them so in no uncertain terms. Yup, they?d got the wrong Chatsworth Road. Never got an apology. ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Jan 2022, at 11:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > Confusion with similar sounding place names has plagued me all my life. > > I used to live at Botley, near Oxford. In the days before postcodes, we > were always getting sent letters intended for an identical road in Botley > near Southampton. > > These days I live in a village called Hanwell in Oxfordshire. Most of you > London folks would assume that Hanwell is that place next to Ealing. I?m > always spotting things online where somebody suggests an Oxfordshire walk > might start at Hanwell and end at the Grand Union Canal. It might be > possible to start here and walk there, but it would take a while. > Similarly I have seen references to Hanwell Castle being near Ealing. > Unless there is a castle I don?t know about in the Ealing area, it?s > another case of mistaken identity. > > Then there was the time I was scheduled to work at Farnborough for the air > show. I?d never been there before, looked at my atlas and discovered that > there were several Farnboroughs in England. Military airfields were not > shown on the maps, so I had to ask our planning office which one I needed > to go to. I had already ruled out the one in Kent and another one up > north, so the choice was between Hants or Berks. The lady in the office > guessed wrong, which is how I spent a morning on the Berks/ Wilts borders > asking where the airfield was, repeatedly being directed to Membury > airfield. When I got there I could see it was disused and now houses a > motorway service station and a transmitter mast, both of which led me to > suspect that they don?t have many air shows there these days. > > Then there was the time when I was asked by telephone to go to the boxing > at York Town Hall. I asked that they double checked whether it really was > York Town Hall, or whether it was that well known boxing venue, York Halls > in Bethnal Green, east London. Needless to say, it was the latter. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and >> Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. >> >> Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days >> with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 >> days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell >> off his bike after one too many at lunch time. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me >>> the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). >>> Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a >>> police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West >>> Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I >>> needed a postcode, that would have given it away! >>> That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except >>> later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. >>> We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were >>> listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking >>> off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the >>> villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping >>> their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! >>> >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>> >>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >>> Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research >>> >>> I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I >>> saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. >>> >>> https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 >>> >>> Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned >>> correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the >>> researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. >>> >>> Oops! >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and >>> towers were built >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: US Forces camp WWII Taunton.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 49535 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 08:27:09 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:27:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <1749BBB4-974F-42E1-8E7A-6CAD6C10CC96@icloud.com> Message-ID: <809ac7e0-1e93-74de-c511-19107e45e0ba@gmail.com> A Sunday filming job in Soho, trying to get some useful visuals of a new type of standards converter (a box in a 19" bay).? No sign of the Ealing sparks so in the end we did it, such as it was, on available light.? On the way out, there was the sparks - "There was no-one here at 0900, so I thought it was the other something street in the East End and went there" "There was no-one here because the call time was 1000" "Oh, sorry, I'll make sure you don't have to pay the Sunday overtime" Monday morning "Get me the head of Ealing sparks......" B On 20/01/2022 14:12, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > There is widespread ignorance amongst the general public regarding > which county places are in, even when there is only one of a > particular name. Discounting the confusion created by messing about > with county boundaries, I being a Somerset resident, am particularly > aware of that county's towns, villages and areas never-endingly being > assigned to Devon. Old postcards of Somerset places sold on eBay are > frequently described by the seller as Devon in cases where only the > particular location is captioned on the card itself, but there are > also numbers of cards where the postcard has been incorrectly > captioned as? -------, Devon by the postcard producer (example > attached, WWII era). > > I have lost count of the number of times I have seen and heard Exmoor > referred to as being in Devon. Exmoor of course straddles the two > counties but two thirds of the national park is in Somerset. Taunton > and Minehead are front runners for the most frequent errors. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:44 AM > To: Alan Taylor > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research > > I lived in Chatsworth Road in Southampton, there is a Chatsworth Road > in Chandlers Ford, I was always getting thir post. Then one day > bailiffs appeared at the door to reposess a Ford Sierra. I?ve never > had a Ford and told them so in no uncertain terms. Yup, they?d got the > wrong Chatsworth Road. Never got an apology. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 20 Jan 2022, at 11:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Confusion with similar sounding place names has plagued me all my life. >> >> I used to live at Botley, near Oxford.? In the days before postcodes, >> we were always getting sent letters intended for an identical road in >> Botley near Southampton. >> >> These days I live in a village called Hanwell in Oxfordshire. Most of >> you London folks would assume that Hanwell is that place next to >> Ealing. I?m always spotting things online where somebody suggests an >> Oxfordshire walk might start at Hanwell and end at the Grand Union >> Canal.? It might be possible to start here and walk there, but it >> would take a while. Similarly I have seen references to Hanwell >> Castle being near Ealing. Unless there is a castle I don?t know about >> in the Ealing area, it?s another case of mistaken identity. >> >> Then there was the time I was scheduled to work at Farnborough for >> the air show. I?d never been there before, looked at my atlas and >> discovered that there were several Farnboroughs in England.? Military >> airfields were not shown on the maps, so I had to ask our planning >> office which one I needed to go to.? I had already ruled out the one >> in Kent and another one up north, so the choice was between Hants or >> Berks.? The lady in the office guessed wrong, which is how I spent a >> morning on the Berks/ Wilts borders asking where the airfield was, >> repeatedly being directed to Membury airfield. When I got there I >> could see it was disused and now houses a motorway service station >> and a transmitter mast, both of which led me to suspect that they >> don?t have many air shows there these days. >> >> Then there was the time when I was asked by telephone to go to the >> boxing at York Town Hall.? I asked that they double checked whether >> it really was York Town Hall, or whether it was that well known >> boxing venue, York Halls in Bethnal Green, east London.? Needless to >> say, it was the latter. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ?Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and >>> Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. >>> >>> Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 >>> days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the >>> quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a >>> pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to >>>> give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). >>>> Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in >>>> a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was >>>> ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind >>>> you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! >>>> That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except >>>> later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. >>>> We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were >>>> listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was >>>> kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round >>>> amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so >>>> they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret >>>> weapon, the cops thought! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>>> >>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research >>>> >>>> I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when >>>> I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. >>>> >>>> https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 >>>> >>>> >>>> Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, >>>> captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly >>>> for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. >>>> >>>> Oops! >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> >>>> Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks >>>> and towers were built >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Jan 20 08:40:17 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:40:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research Message-ID: ?All of this demonstrates what an inspired idea postcodes were, rather better than the medieval habit of naming places with names that were bound to get duplicated. And now, What.3.Words takes that a step further. I?ve probably bored you all with this before, but my son Ben and his Chinese wife were in a remote town in China, staying with her parents. This post card, posted in that town, arrived though our letterbox in only three or four days with the most basic postal address. Ben knew, of course, that our house had an exclusive postcode, but knowing our Postie at the time, I?m confident it would have got to us anyway. I used to like to brag to people that no-one else had that postcode, and that our rear driveway had another different one! Where we are now we share our postcode with 17 other houses, and from a security point of view, I think that?s a lot better. [cid:710693FA-4545-46D6-BFD5-F4F015F57E87-L0-001] Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 On 20 Jan 2022, at 13:40, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? I was asked to attend a recce. As the recce was starting at 14:00, it was suggested that we might like to rendezvous at a lovely country pub at 12:30. The directions were to meet at the Navigation Inn near Old Stratford. This created multiple problems. The first is that there is a little known law which states that there has to be a pub called ?The Navigator? or ?The Navigation? roughly every five miles along every British canal. As a result there were at least two which could reasonably be assumed to be the one near Old Stratford. As it happened people found three different ones near there and each waited for the others. The other problem was with the name Stratford. I don?t think anybody imagined it was the Stratford in the east of London, but two people assumed that Old Stratford was where the Bard used to hang out in olden days. As it happens, that Stratford also has a canal, together with a sprinkling of Navigation Inns nearby. Those two peoplefound different Navigation Inns near Stratford upon Avon, ordered a pint and waited for everybody else to show up. After wondering why hardly anybody had turned up, a few phone calls were made. The various people were rounded up at their respective Navigation Inns, asked to drain their glasses and make their way to one specific Navigation Inn, whose location was described with the sort of precision which would have been advantageous at the outset. Alan Taylor On 20 Jan 2022, at 13:05, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: ? Very much like the Darts Recce at Lakeside, everyone went to Firmly Green except the Camera Supervisor who went to shopping centre?.only 60 miles between them. Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 20 January 2022 10:02 To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. Oops! 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Jan 20 10:16:45 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:16:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: References: <003b01d80dfe$3d08f0c0$b71ad240$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <25202BBF-1269-4504-A536-AE93834F128D@me.com> Message-ID: Is this a tankard I see before me, the handle towards my hand? ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Jan 2022, at 15:58, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Shakespeare did indeed drink at the Navigation in Stratford-upon-Avon, but then he was bard. > > > Alasdair Lawrance > Programme Organiser > Stratford-upon-Avon Canal Society > > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain > >> On 20 Jan 2022, at 13:39, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> - > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Thu Jan 20 10:40:23 2022 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> Others that caused confusion, Carmarthen and Caernarvon in BBC Wales days, and Eltham and Feltham in ILEA days, usually over bad phone lines. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 20 Jan 2022, at 11:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Confusion with similar sounding place names has plagued me all my life. > > I used to live at Botley, near Oxford. In the days before postcodes, we were always getting sent letters intended for an identical road in Botley near Southampton. > > These days I live in a village called Hanwell in Oxfordshire. Most of you London folks would assume that Hanwell is that place next to Ealing. I?m always spotting things online where somebody suggests an Oxfordshire walk might start at Hanwell and end at the Grand Union Canal. It might be possible to start here and walk there, but it would take a while. Similarly I have seen references to Hanwell Castle being near Ealing. Unless there is a castle I don?t know about in the Ealing area, it?s another case of mistaken identity. > > Then there was the time I was scheduled to work at Farnborough for the air show. I?d never been there before, looked at my atlas and discovered that there were several Farnboroughs in England. Military airfields were not shown on the maps, so I had to ask our planning office which one I needed to go to. I had already ruled out the one in Kent and another one up north, so the choice was between Hants or Berks. The lady in the office guessed wrong, which is how I spent a morning on the Berks/ Wilts borders asking where the airfield was, repeatedly being directed to Membury airfield. When I got there I could see it was disused and now houses a motorway service station and a transmitter mast, both of which led me to suspect that they don?t have many air shows there these days. > > Then there was the time when I was asked by telephone to go to the boxing at York Town Hall. I asked that they double checked whether it really was York Town Hall, or whether it was that well known boxing venue, York Halls in Bethnal Green, east London. Needless to say, it was the latter. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. >> >> Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). >>> Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! >>> That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. >>> We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! >>> >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>> >>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >>> Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research >>> >>> I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. >>> >>> https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 >>> >>> Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. >>> >>> Oops! >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Jan 20 10:43:22 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:43:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> Message-ID: <61e9912a.1c69fb81.babf4.5168@mx.google.com> Effingham, Uppingham and Feltham! Guide lines for young bloods? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 20 January 2022 16:40 To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research Others that caused confusion, Carmarthen and Caernarvon in BBC Wales days, and Eltham and Feltham in ILEA days, usually over bad phone lines. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 20 Jan 2022, at 11:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Confusion with similar sounding place names has plagued me all my life. I used to live at Botley, near Oxford. ?In the days before postcodes, we were always getting sent letters intended for an identical road in Botley near Southampton. These days I live in a village called Hanwell in Oxfordshire. ?Most of you London folks would assume that Hanwell is that place next to Ealing. I?m always spotting things online where somebody suggests an Oxfordshire walk might start at Hanwell and end at the Grand Union Canal. ?It might be possible to start here and walk there, but it would take a while. ?Similarly I have seen references to Hanwell Castle being near Ealing. ?Unless there is a castle I don?t know about in the Ealing area, it?s another case of mistaken identity. Then there was the time I was scheduled to work at Farnborough for the air show. I?d never been there before, looked at my atlas and discovered that there were several Farnboroughs in England. ?Military airfields were not shown on the maps, so I had to ask our planning office which one I needed to go to. ?I had already ruled out the one in Kent and another one up north, so the choice was between Hants or Berks. ?The lady in the office guessed wrong, which is how I spent a morning on the Berks/ Wilts borders asking where the airfield was, repeatedly being directed to Membury airfield. When I got there I could see it was disused and now houses a motorway service station and a transmitter mast, both of which led me to suspect that they don?t have many air shows there these days. Then there was the time when I was asked by telephone to go to the boxing at York Town Hall. ?I asked that they double checked whether it really was York Town Hall, or whether it was that well known boxing venue, York Halls in Bethnal Green, east London. ?Needless to say, it was the latter. Alan Taylor On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. ? Graeme Wall On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. Oops! Dave Newbitt. 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URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Jan 20 10:58:53 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:58:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters In-Reply-To: <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> Message-ID: <84274634-49ed-eedd-078e-22460bcde4e4@chriswoolf.co.uk> I've always been entirely happy with the concept of smart meters, even if I'm irritated by a government that cannot work out how to use them properly. However... a friend had one installed recently, but then noticed that her PV system, which diverts excess power to heating her hot water, was showing up as apparently using some power from the grid. Having checked with Marlec (the manufacturer of the power diversion system)? they agreed that certain particular Landis & Gyr smart meters do indeed have a fault that causes this problem. It also affects people with Tesla Powerwalls. A request to swap the meter has been made... Chris -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Jan 20 11:49:41 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 17:49:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters In-Reply-To: <84274634-49ed-eedd-078e-22460bcde4e4@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> <84274634-49ed-eedd-078e-22460bcde4e4@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <61e9a0b5.1c69fb81.2f7e7.e537@mx.google.com> I have a Smart meter for electricity, which seem to work well. Occasionally, I?m asked to render a reading. Why should this be necessary ? don?t they trust the meter? I have resisted having a smart gas meter, simply because the flat below me had a new meter installed, and the supply pipe continues up into my flat and the wrenching around caused a gas leak in my flat. So on the basis of ?If it ain?t broke ? don?t fix it? I prefer to leave well alone! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 20 January 2022 17:00 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Smart meters I've always been entirely happy with the concept of smart meters, even if I'm irritated by a government that cannot work out how to use them properly. However... a friend had one installed recently, but then noticed that her PV system, which diverts excess power to heating her hot water, was showing up as apparently using some power from the grid. Having checked with Marlec (the manufacturer of the power diversion system)? they agreed that certain particular Landis & Gyr smart meters do indeed have a fault that causes this problem. It also affects people with Tesla Powerwalls. A request to swap the meter has been made... 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Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:58 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Smart meters I've always been entirely happy with the concept of smart meters, even if I'm irritated by a government that cannot work out how to use them properly. However... a friend had one installed recently, but then noticed that her PV system, which diverts excess power to heating her hot water, was showing up as apparently using some power from the grid. Having checked with Marlec (the manufacturer of the power diversion system) they agreed that certain particular Landis & Gyr smart meters do indeed have a fault that causes this problem. It also affects people with Tesla Powerwalls. A request to swap the meter has been made... 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The guys say (and there is a bit more online) that the meters will ultimately cover the whole of the Thames water area and will fed back meter readings throughout the day and enable therefore different charges as to when the water is used. Presumably they hope to save their supply system by forcing people to do things like washing machines and washing up after dinner late at night. Also to use less shower water and even to shower with a friend(??) Apparently the system is so rugged it can send data signals from the little transmitter mounted in the plastic enclosure under the pavement. The water flow charges the battery. Also they say that a sudden change in consumption (especially at night) in a street can point to a water leak and allow investigation. I wonder? Mike From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Jan 20 13:14:58 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:14:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters In-Reply-To: <5B4E84B8C96040908B21EC3AFE6DEF14@Gigabyte> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> <84274634-49ed-eedd-078e-22460bcde4e4@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5450755531F54A4AA56367F20652E56C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <5B4E84B8C96040908B21EC3AFE6DEF14@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <7cc6b568-e502-ac48-ac67-6f696af71731@btinternet.com> Just had mine installed this week. Didn't have a meter before, so perhaps will get a smaller bill? On 20/01/2022 18:49, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Around our way in Ealing, Thames Water are replacing all the existing > outside water meters with new ones and replacing simple stopcocks with > "smart meters" > They say this is to make people pay by actual use. The guys say (and > there is a bit more online) that the meters will ultimately cover the > whole of the Thames water area and will fed back meter readings > throughout the day and enable therefore different charges as to when > the water is used. Presumably they hope to save their supply system by > forcing people to do things like washing machines and washing up after > dinner late at night. Also to use less shower water and even to shower > with a friend(??) > Apparently the system is so rugged it can send data signals from the > little transmitter mounted in the plastic enclosure under the > pavement. The water flow charges the battery. > Also they say that a sudden change in consumption (especially at > night) in a street can point to a water leak and allow investigation. > > I wonder? > > Mike > > From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Jan 20 14:29:44 2022 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 20:29:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> Message-ID: I've already told you about my supposed RV at a field near Aldershot for a story about hot air balloons. Upset our office on another occasion after finding out that I had a shoot in Bradford the following day. 'Which one?" I asked, only to suffer abuse over being stupid, to which I replied that there were six Bradfords in the UK. (Yes, it was the 'Leeds' Bradford, so I still ended up looking stupid to them). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Thursday, January 20th, 2022 at 16:40, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Others that caused confusion, Carmarthen and Caernarvon in BBC Wales days, and Eltham and Feltham in ILEA days, usually over bad phone lines. > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > >> On 20 Jan 2022, at 11:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Confusion with similar sounding place names has plagued me all my life. >> >> I used to live at Botley, near Oxford. In the days before postcodes, we were always getting sent letters intended for an identical road in Botley near Southampton. >> >> These days I live in a village called Hanwell in Oxfordshire. Most of you London folks would assume that Hanwell is that place next to Ealing. I?m always spotting things online where somebody suggests an Oxfordshire walk might start at Hanwell and end at the Grand Union Canal. It might be possible to start here and walk there, but it would take a while. Similarly I have seen references to Hanwell Castle being near Ealing. Unless there is a castle I don?t know about in the Ealing area, it?s another case of mistaken identity. >> >> Then there was the time I was scheduled to work at Farnborough for the air show. I?d never been there before, looked at my atlas and discovered that there were several Farnboroughs in England. Military airfields were not shown on the maps, so I had to ask our planning office which one I needed to go to. I had already ruled out the one in Kent and another one up north, so the choice was between Hants or Berks. The lady in the office guessed wrong, which is how I spent a morning on the Berks/ Wilts borders asking where the airfield was, repeatedly being directed to Membury airfield. When I got there I could see it was disused and now houses a motorway service station and a transmitter mast, both of which led me to suspect that they don?t have many air shows there these days. >> >> Then there was the time when I was asked by telephone to go to the boxing at York Town Hall. I asked that they double checked whether it really was York Town Hall, or whether it was that well known boxing venue, York Halls in Bethnal Green, east London. Needless to say, it was the latter. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. >>> >>> Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). >>>> Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! >>>> That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. >>>> We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>>> >>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research >>>> >>>> I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. >>>> >>>> https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/gallery/incredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460 >>>> >>>> Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. >>>> >>>> Oops! >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 20 15:37:31 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (David Mundy) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 21:37:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Water meters In-Reply-To: <7cc6b568-e502-ac48-ac67-6f696af71731@btinternet.com> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <5497BB1C-C5CA-4938-B2EE-5E084E213F50@me.com> <84274634-49ed-eedd-078e-22460bcde4e4@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5450755531F54A4AA56367F20652E56C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <5B4E84B8C96040908B21EC3AFE6DEF14@Gigabyte> <7cc6b568-e502-ac48-ac67-6f696af71731@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Ours reduced the bills by half as by that time the kids had left home and there were only two of us left who don't spend hours in the shower like teenagers do! Cheers, Dave From saranewman at hotmail.com Fri Jan 21 05:49:16 2022 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:49:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research In-Reply-To: <1749BBB4-974F-42E1-8E7A-6CAD6C10CC96@icloud.com> References: <5D085D2E-6AD3-40A3-B126-C9676B320F90@icloud.com> <1749BBB4-974F-42E1-8E7A-6CAD6C10CC96@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi When I worked in Ghana for the FCO we used to have lots of friends visiting because of our ?exotic? location After doing all the usual stuff Dam, slave castles, Safari and rainforest etc we decided to go see the railway as both my son and the visiting child were train mad. Thomas the tank engine from the original books then. The boys were treated to a shunt in a Diesel engine. What joy ! Anyway as we were leaving there was a mummy selling various cards and letter writing stuff and we found a post card of the station? It was labelled Accra station but was on closer inspection in fact a purloined picture of York Station! Sarax Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Jan 2022, at 11:45, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I lived in Chatsworth Road in Southampton, there is a Chatsworth Road in Chandlers Ford, I was always getting thir post. Then one day bailiffs appeared at the door to reposess a Ford Sierra. I?ve never had a Ford and told them so in no uncertain terms. Yup, they?d got the wrong Chatsworth Road. Never got an apology. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 20 Jan 2022, at 11:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Confusion with similar sounding place names has plagued me all my life. >> >> I used to live at Botley, near Oxford. In the days before postcodes, we were always getting sent letters intended for an identical road in Botley near Southampton. >> >> These days I live in a village called Hanwell in Oxfordshire. Most of you London folks would assume that Hanwell is that place next to Ealing. I?m always spotting things online where somebody suggests an Oxfordshire walk might start at Hanwell and end at the Grand Union Canal. It might be possible to start here and walk there, but it would take a while. Similarly I have seen references to Hanwell Castle being near Ealing. Unless there is a castle I don?t know about in the Ealing area, it?s another case of mistaken identity. >> >> Then there was the time I was scheduled to work at Farnborough for the air show. I?d never been there before, looked at my atlas and discovered that there were several Farnboroughs in England. Military airfields were not shown on the maps, so I had to ask our planning office which one I needed to go to. I had already ruled out the one in Kent and another one up north, so the choice was between Hants or Berks. The lady in the office guessed wrong, which is how I spent a morning on the Berks/ Wilts borders asking where the airfield was, repeatedly being directed to Membury airfield. When I got there I could see it was disused and now houses a motorway service station and a transmitter mast, both of which led me to suspect that they don?t have many air shows there these days. >> >> Then there was the time when I was asked by telephone to go to the boxing at York Town Hall. I asked that they double checked whether it really was York Town Hall, or whether it was that well known boxing venue, York Halls in Bethnal Green, east London. Needless to say, it was the latter. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Based in Southampton we regularly got confusion between Fareham and Farnham, especially when one particular sub-editor was involved. >>> >>> Regarding your police shoot, I had a similar experience spending 3 days with a Chichester based ambulance crew. They said it was the quietest 3 days they?d ever had. Our only ?major? call out was a pensioner who fell off his bike after one too many at lunch time. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 20 Jan 2022, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> This does remind me of a young production secretary, phoning to give me the location call for a shoot. ?West Mersea? (Essex). >>>> Nope! I had been on the shoot the previous week (fly-on-the-wall in a police patrol car as a test programme pilot) and knew it was ?West Mercia?, near Birmingham. A case of misheard speech ? mind you had I needed a postcode, that would have given it away! >>>> That pilot was fascinating to film, but never got taken up, except later, Police Interceptors and Traffic Cops got made. >>>> We were hoping for some decent footage on a Friday night and were listening to three different radio circuits ? but nothing was kicking off. Our police crew reckoned that the word had gone round amongst the villains that there was a roving film crew about, so they were keeping their heads down ? maybe that?s our new secret weapon, the cops thought! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>>> >>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 19 January 2022 18:31 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Croydon and over hasty research >>>> >>>> I lived in Croydon for some years in the 60s so was interested when I saw an item on ?My London? featuring 22 photos of Old Croydon. >>>> >>>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mylondon.news%2Fnews%2Fnostalgia%2Fgallery%2Fincredible-pictures-show-croydon-before-22737460&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc65a3770cadf43e54dd608d9dc0a5bd3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637782759310594029%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=HbnEZiiaPbtxUc1SJKA%2FvR9fpTwCl9OOol1PaLjLq3Y%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> Excellent stuff ? except that picture 13 is of Croydon Hill, captioned correctly as ?Croydon Hill near Dunster? ? which, sadly for the researcher, is in the West Somerset hills. >>>> >>>> Oops! >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> >>>> Incredible pictures show Croydon before all the huge office blocks and towers were built >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc65a3770cadf43e54dd608d9dc0a5bd3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637782759310594029%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%2Fmc0dt4Dl32dwXXOo2kB0dgHAWEQPQKm7vyq3RMIAGo%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc65a3770cadf43e54dd608d9dc0a5bd3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637782759310594029%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=WzzkOrcw3nFfhtJ%2FUxVyAh7PUeFxSoKqDARR90LMu2c%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc65a3770cadf43e54dd608d9dc0a5bd3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637782759310594029%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=WzzkOrcw3nFfhtJ%2FUxVyAh7PUeFxSoKqDARR90LMu2c%3D&reserved=0 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc65a3770cadf43e54dd608d9dc0a5bd3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637782759310594029%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=WzzkOrcw3nFfhtJ%2FUxVyAh7PUeFxSoKqDARR90LMu2c%3D&reserved=0 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc65a3770cadf43e54dd608d9dc0a5bd3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637782759310594029%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=WzzkOrcw3nFfhtJ%2FUxVyAh7PUeFxSoKqDARR90LMu2c%3D&reserved=0 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 21 13:43:12 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (David Mundy) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 19:43:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Verisure Message-ID: The police have just been round as our neighbours have been burgled for the third time in three years! After the first two they have installed Verisure burglar alarms all over, including their huge 'dacha' at the end of the garden. What a great advert for Verisure! Cheers, Dave From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Jan 21 14:35:56 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:35:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Verisure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Big name alarms can be read by criminals as `things worth the effort of stealing hear!` Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 21 January 2022 19:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; phil at philwthomas.plus.com; d.cjennings at btinternet.com Reply to: dave.mdv at btinternet.com Subject: [Tech1] Verisure The police have just been round as our neighbours have been burgled for the third time in three years! After the first two they have installed Verisure burglar alarms all over, including their huge 'dacha' at the end of the garden. What a great advert for Verisure! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 21 15:48:21 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (David Mundy) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 21:48:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Verisure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Obvious, really! Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Fri Jan 21 17:26:38 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 23:26:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Verisure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3AB57D5F-BEA2-467E-8497-F208DCA515E3@mac.com> On the other hand, the police suggest that the low incidence of burglaries in our area is down to the fact that most properties have an alarm. Having said that, we?ve got a cheapo DIY verosion from Yale, because the ADT monitored system which was here when we arrived was too expensive, especially when repairs were required. The Yale system rings my mobile if it?s triggered when we?re out, followed by our kids and we know it works because we got multiple calls whilst we were in a country walk which we therefore curtailed, only to discover that the intruder was a helium balloon, drifting gently backwards and forwards in the sitting room, so every time I reset the alarm remotely, it was triggered again within the next few minutes! Mike G > On 21 Jan 2022, at 21:48, David Mundy via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Obvious, really! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Sat Jan 22 11:12:42 2022 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:12:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alarms Message-ID: <074B1A6E-847C-44B9-9DBD-62F5A6237448@vincent68.plus.com> Get a dog! John V From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Jan 22 11:25:54 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:25:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alarms In-Reply-To: <074B1A6E-847C-44B9-9DBD-62F5A6237448@vincent68.plus.com> References: <074B1A6E-847C-44B9-9DBD-62F5A6237448@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: <4792e0d6-2b47-11a2-543e-d87d66e14b61@chriswoolf.co.uk> A long time ago when an old insurance company listed the requirements for house insurance they put an alarm as mandatory. > I asked what the point would be. - to alert neighbours - >But I have no neighbours. - Ah well in that case you'll need an alarm that notifies an alarm company who will call the police. >But the police admit their response time at night is more than 20minutes at best! Um... well... yes... perhaps we can waive that requirement. Chris W -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Jan 22 12:07:53 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 18:07:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alarms In-Reply-To: <4792e0d6-2b47-11a2-543e-d87d66e14b61@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <074B1A6E-847C-44B9-9DBD-62F5A6237448@vincent68.plus.com> <4792e0d6-2b47-11a2-543e-d87d66e14b61@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <4dc9900a-5019-a8ee-50fc-0f7e90c20503@btinternet.com> Being a good tech op, I installed my own. All the bits came from TLC. And everything cabled too - fairly easy on this Victorian house with a cellar and wood floors.? Actual switches on all external doors and windows. Not a battery in sight - except the rechargeable backup ones in the control panel and sounder. An added on dialler which I can programme to dial who I want. Currently set to ring my mobile. It has never been used in anger - and has never had a false trigger.? I installed it after being burgled many years ago - when the only thing nicked was the VHS. So not sure if the deterrent effect worked - as most houses here have one. On 22/01/2022 17:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > A long time ago when an old insurance company listed the requirements > for house insurance they put an alarm as mandatory. > > > I asked what the point would be. > > - to alert neighbours - > > >But I have no neighbours. > > - Ah well in that case you'll need an alarm that notifies an alarm > company who will call the police. > > >But the police admit their response time at night is more than > 20minutes at best! > > Um... well... yes... perhaps we can waive that requirement. > > Chris W > > > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jan 22 13:29:56 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 19:29:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alarms In-Reply-To: <4792e0d6-2b47-11a2-543e-d87d66e14b61@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <074B1A6E-847C-44B9-9DBD-62F5A6237448@vincent68.plus.com> <4792e0d6-2b47-11a2-543e-d87d66e14b61@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <61ec5b35.1c69fb81.d03de.a698@mx.google.com> I live in a small development of three blocks of flats. The Policeman that came to explain the Neighbourhood Watch set-up was satisfied that there was only one entry and exit point to the estate ? burglars like to have a second escape route, he explained. We have only had a couple or three incidents in the 40 years I?ve been here ? one was a break-in to a garage in a separate block, a portable generator stolen, but thought to be a grudge against the tenant, although the door was badly damaged. A second was rather more targeted. A van parked up outside a garage and the door forced ? loss of a couple of expensive bikes. As it happened , a resident had parked his car within sight, and his constantly recording dashcam captured the incident. Forwarded to the police but never heard of any result. There had been a spate of similar raids in this area. Another incident involved my very elderly downstairs former neighbour. She disturbed a youth who had climbed in through her ground level kitchen window and was going through her bureau, looking for her pension book. She kneed him in the balls, and he fled! This led to the Chief Constable presenting her with an award! We get constant advice from Surrey Police about protecting your home, and as much as possible carry out their recommendations. For instance: No high hedges to hide behind, exterior well illuminating lighting during darkness hours. Not leaving car or property keys within sight of the letterbox ? thieves are adept at fishing via that! Ground floor windows on a restricted opening strut. Some of our ground floor flats have patio doors ? these can be very vulnerable, being capable of being lifted out of the track with a spade, if such implement is left unlocked up. Dog! Good advice. One neighbour has a Belgian barge dog - Not a pretty animal, but if he hears something that he cannot see the source, a massive racket is set up! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 22 January 2022 17:27 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Alarms A long time ago when an old insurance company listed the requirements for house insurance they put an alarm as mandatory. > I asked what the point would be. - to alert neighbours - >But I have no neighbours. - Ah well in that case you'll need an alarm that notifies an alarm company who will call the police. >But the police admit their response time at night is more than 20minutes at best! Um... well... yes... perhaps we can waive that requirement. Chris W -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Jan 22 14:17:10 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:17:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alarms In-Reply-To: <074B1A6E-847C-44B9-9DBD-62F5A6237448@vincent68.plus.com> References: <074B1A6E-847C-44B9-9DBD-62F5A6237448@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: Probably good advice depending on where you are. In our case if the dogs kick up a ruckus, the intruder is almost certainly a fox! Cheers, N. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > On 22 Jan 2022, at 17:13, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Get a dog! > > John V > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Jan 22 14:17:31 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:17:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alarms In-Reply-To: <61ec5b35.1c69fb81.d03de.a698@mx.google.com> References: <61ec5b35.1c69fb81.d03de.a698@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <714C846B-3FD4-40DD-BFB4-96EEED278F98@me.com> A neighbour of mine has installed a number of Ethernet connected cameras inside and outside his house. If movement is detected in predefined areas ( doors and windows ), he gets emailed pictures to alert him that something untoward is happening. Having installed it for a while and being satisfied that it wasn?t prone to false triggers, he contacted the local police to ask if there was an online address where he could forward any pictures showing intruders. He hoped that the police might pop round and catch the villains red handed. He was told that there isn?t a facility to do that. Their suggestion was to copy such images to a USB memory stick and bring it round to the police station. Alan Taylor > On 22 Jan 2022, at 19:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I live in a small development of three blocks of flats. > The Policeman that came to explain the Neighbourhood Watch set-up was satisfied that there was only one entry and exit point to the estate ? burglars like to have a second escape route, he explained. > We have only had a couple or three incidents in the 40 years I?ve been here ? one was a break-in to a garage in a separate block, a portable generator stolen, but thought to be a grudge against the tenant, although the door was badly damaged. > A second was rather more targeted. A van parked up outside a garage and the door forced ? loss of a couple of expensive bikes. As it happened , a resident had parked his car within sight, and his constantly recording dashcam captured the incident. Forwarded to the police but never heard of any result. There had been a spate of similar raids in this area. > Another incident involved my very elderly downstairs former neighbour. She disturbed a youth who had climbed in through her ground level kitchen window and was going through her bureau, looking for her pension book. She kneed him in the balls, and he fled! This led to the Chief Constable presenting her with an award! > We get constant advice from Surrey Police about protecting your home, and as much as possible carry out their recommendations. For instance: > No high hedges to hide behind, exterior well illuminating lighting during darkness hours. > Not leaving car or property keys within sight of the letterbox ? thieves are adept at fishing via that! > Ground floor windows on a restricted opening strut. > Some of our ground floor flats have patio doors ? these can be very vulnerable, being capable of being lifted out of the track with a spade, if such implement is left unlocked up. > > Dog! Good advice. One neighbour has a Belgian barge dog - > Not a pretty animal, but if he hears something that he cannot see the source, a massive racket is set up! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 > Sent: 22 January 2022 17:27 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Alarms > > > A long time ago when an old insurance company listed the requirements > for house insurance they put an alarm as mandatory. > > > I asked what the point would be. > > - to alert neighbours - > > >But I have no neighbours. > > - Ah well in that case you'll need an alarm that notifies an alarm > company who will call the police. > > >But the police admit their response time at night is more than > 20minutes at best! > > Um... well... yes... perhaps we can waive that requirement. > > Chris W > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 22 18:16:28 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 00:16:28 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window Message-ID: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? Here is the run down of the pages, row by row from left to right:- MAIN WINDOW Lemon Hart Rum; Swizzels Navy Sweets; Dewars Scotch Whiskey; Guiness; Virginia McKenna; Walls Ice Cream; Puritan Soap; Gilbeys Odds On Cocktail; Debbie Reynolds; Martini Sweet Vermouth. Scott?s Porage Oats; Breeze Toilet Soap; Kraft Margarine; Marlon Brando; Outspan Oranges; Pascall Fruit Drops; Omo Washing Powder; Leslie Caron. Coca Cola; Joan Collins; Morris Cars; Schweppes Orange Drink; OK Sauce; Murray?s Regent Chocolate Assortment; Murraymints; Bounty Chocolate bar. DOOR Scott?s Porage; Sophia Loren; Surf Washing Powder; Duke of Edinburgh; UK?s 100 mph Cars*; Norman Wisdom & Gillian Moran Dance Sequence at the RVS London Palladium 2.11.1954. also part obscured on LHS:- Wrigleys PK Chewing Gum; Stork Margarine; Panda Rug Making Kits. SIDE LIGHT Kim Novak; Anita Ekberg (centrefold). *the 100 mph cars shown are:- Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire; Riley Pathfinder; Bentley Continental; Lagonda 3 Ltr Coupe; Alvis TC Coupe; Bristol 404; Aston Martin DB2/4; Jensen CV; Sunbeam Talbot Alpine Special; Daimler Conquest; Jaguar XK120; AC Ace; Triumph TR2; Austin Healey 100/4. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lyme Regis shop front 21 Jan 2022.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5955777 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 22 18:56:01 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 00:56:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <9526BEDB-8404-403A-9B72-CB763B978BC9@mac.com> We know Lyme very well, Dave. I don?t suppose you saw the French Lieutenant?s Woman out on the Cobb wall? Mike G > On 23 Jan 2022, at 00:17, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. > > The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. > > With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sun Jan 23 03:11:25 2022 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 09:11:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <623b70d7-89d8-1d4a-b39e-6bcae9e122a7@btinternet.com> WOW!!? What a shop-front! Not quite the one that old lads amongst us might remember for Anita Ekberg, but can anyone match my recall?? She came to Lime Grove in the days of 'Town and Around' with her eye-catching window display.? Wardrobe was summoned to place a chiffon scarf around her shoulders in the interest of discretion. As the opening titles ran, she deftly removed it and leant into camera...? I quite forgot which cables I was meant to clear that day! Hugh With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? Here is the run down of the pages, row by row from left to right:- _MAIN WINDOW_ Lemon Hart Rum;? Swizzels Navy Sweets;? Dewars Scotch Whiskey;? Guiness;? Virginia McKenna;? Walls Ice Cream; Puritan Soap;? Gilbeys Odds On Cocktail; Debbie Reynolds;? Martini Sweet Vermouth. Scott?s Porage Oats;? Breeze Toilet Soap;? Kraft Margarine;? Marlon Brando;? Outspan Oranges;? Pascall Fruit Drops;? Omo Washing Powder;? Leslie Caron. Coca Cola;? Joan Collins;? Morris Cars;? Schweppes Orange Drink;? OK Sauce;? Murray?s Regent Chocolate Assortment; Murraymints;? Bounty Chocolate bar. _DOOR_ Scott?s Porage;? Sophia Loren;? Surf Washing Powder; Duke of Edinburgh;? UK?s 100 mph Cars*; Norman Wisdom & Gillian Moran Dance Sequence at the RVS London Palladium 2.11.1954. also part obscured on LHS:- Wrigleys PK Chewing Gum; Stork Margarine;? Panda Rug Making Kits. _SIDE LIGHT_ Kim Novak;? Anita Ekberg (centrefold). *the 100 mph cars shown are:-? Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire; Riley Pathfinder;? Bentley Continental;? Lagonda 3 Ltr Coupe;? Alvis TC Coupe; Bristol 404;? Aston Martin DB2/4; Jensen CV;? Sunbeam Talbot Alpine Special;? Daimler Conquest;? Jaguar XK120;? AC Ace;? Triumph TR2;? Austin Healey 100/4. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Hugh Sheppard Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 9:11 AM To: tech1 Cc: David Newbitt Subject: Fwd: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window WOW!! What a shop-front! Not quite the one that old lads amongst us might remember for Anita Ekberg, but can anyone match my recall? She came to Lime Grove in the days of 'Town and Around' with her eye-catching window display. Wardrobe was summoned to place a chiffon scarf around her shoulders in the interest of discretion. As the opening titles ran, she deftly removed it and leant into camera... I quite forgot which cables I was meant to clear that day! Hugh With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? Here is the run down of the pages, row by row from left to right:- MAIN WINDOW Lemon Hart Rum; Swizzels Navy Sweets; Dewars Scotch Whiskey; Guiness; Virginia McKenna; Walls Ice Cream; Puritan Soap; Gilbeys Odds On Cocktail; Debbie Reynolds; Martini Sweet Vermouth. Scott?s Porage Oats; Breeze Toilet Soap; Kraft Margarine; Marlon Brando; Outspan Oranges; Pascall Fruit Drops; Omo Washing Powder; Leslie Caron. Coca Cola; Joan Collins; Morris Cars; Schweppes Orange Drink; OK Sauce; Murray?s Regent Chocolate Assortment; Murraymints; Bounty Chocolate bar. DOOR Scott?s Porage; Sophia Loren; Surf Washing Powder; Duke of Edinburgh; UK?s 100 mph Cars*; Norman Wisdom & Gillian Moran Dance Sequence at the RVS London Palladium 2.11.1954. also part obscured on LHS:- Wrigleys PK Chewing Gum; Stork Margarine; Panda Rug Making Kits. SIDE LIGHT Kim Novak; Anita Ekberg (centrefold). *the 100 mph cars shown are:- Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire; Riley Pathfinder; Bentley Continental; Lagonda 3 Ltr Coupe; Alvis TC Coupe; Bristol 404; Aston Martin DB2/4; Jensen CV; Sunbeam Talbot Alpine Special; Daimler Conquest; Jaguar XK120; AC Ace; Triumph TR2; Austin Healey 100/4. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC02525 Anita Ekberg.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2457004 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 23 05:08:44 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:08:44 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: <9526BEDB-8404-403A-9B72-CB763B978BC9@mac.com> References: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <9526BEDB-8404-403A-9B72-CB763B978BC9@mac.com> Message-ID: <822424939C1F41A8A8E879FA63EBB568@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I?ve been wondering about this, Mike and am unsure of my memory. We didn?t consciously see a plaque on this occasion although we did walk out along the Cobb as we always do. I think I recollect seeing a small plaque in the wall close to where the steps take you up from jetty level to the higher level of the Cobb but since your post I have Googled but found nothing. On a sunny, still winter?s day it takes some beating. Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:56 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window We know Lyme very well, Dave. I don?t suppose you saw the French Lieutenant?s Woman out on the Cobb wall? Mike G On 23 Jan 2022, at 00:17, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not difficult to understand how a young Mr Sheppard might momentarily have lost concentration! > > DaveNewbitt. > > From: Hugh Sheppard > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 9:11 AM > To: tech1 > Cc: David Newbitt > Subject: Fwd: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window > > WOW!! What a shop-front! > Not quite the one that old lads amongst us might remember for Anita Ekberg, but can anyone match my recall? She came to Lime Grove in the days of 'Town and Around' with her eye-catching window display. Wardrobe was summoned to place a chiffon scarf around her shoulders in the interest of discretion. As the opening titles ran, she deftly removed it and leant into camera... I quite forgot which cables I was meant to clear that day! > Hugh > > With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. > > The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. > > With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? Here is the run down of the pages, row by row from left to right:- > > MAIN WINDOW > > Lemon Hart Rum; Swizzels Navy Sweets; Dewars Scotch Whiskey; Guiness; Virginia McKenna; Walls Ice Cream; Puritan Soap; Gilbeys Odds On Cocktail; > Debbie Reynolds; Martini Sweet Vermouth. > > Scott?s Porage Oats; Breeze Toilet Soap; Kraft Margarine; Marlon Brando; Outspan Oranges; Pascall Fruit Drops; Omo Washing Powder; Leslie Caron. > > Coca Cola; Joan Collins; Morris Cars; Schweppes Orange Drink; OK Sauce; Murray?s Regent Chocolate Assortment; Murraymints; Bounty Chocolate bar. > > DOOR > > Scott?s Porage; Sophia Loren; Surf Washing Powder; Duke of Edinburgh; UK?s 100 mph Cars*; Norman Wisdom & Gillian Moran Dance Sequence at the RVS London Palladium 2.11.1954. > > also part obscured on LHS:- Wrigleys PK Chewing Gum; Stork Margarine; Panda Rug Making Kits. > > SIDE LIGHT > > Kim Novak; Anita Ekberg (centrefold). > > *the 100 mph cars shown are:- Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire; Riley Pathfinder; Bentley Continental; Lagonda 3 Ltr Coupe; Alvis TC Coupe; Bristol 404; Aston Martin DB2/4; Jensen CV; Sunbeam Talbot Alpine Special; Daimler Conquest; Jaguar XK120; AC Ace; Triumph TR2; Austin Healey 100/4. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sun Jan 23 05:17:23 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:17:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: <822424939C1F41A8A8E879FA63EBB568@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <822424939C1F41A8A8E879FA63EBB568@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <80AB85D8-B1C1-4AB5-8D79-356A2C446085@me.com> Being a frequent visitor to Lyme Regis, one of the things I like is the chip shop which cooks many types of fish ( not necessarily in batter ), even things like scallops, which are dived for in Lyme Bay. Going in the opposite direction to visit my son and his family in North Yorkshire, they also have an excellent chippie nearby which lists scallops on the menu, but if you order them, you get a giant potato croquette. Alan Taylor > On 23 Jan 2022, at 11:09, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I?ve been wondering about this, Mike and am unsure of my memory. We didn?t consciously see a plaque on this occasion although we did walk out along the Cobb as we always do. I think I recollect seeing a small plaque in the wall close to where the steps take you up from jetty level to the higher level of the Cobb but since your post I have Googled but found nothing. > > On a sunny, still winter?s day it takes some beating. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:56 AM > To: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window > > We know Lyme very well, Dave. I don?t suppose you saw the French Lieutenant?s Woman out on the Cobb wall? > > Mike G > >> On 23 Jan 2022, at 00:17, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. >> >> The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. >> >> With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Sun Jan 23 05:31:17 2022 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:31:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Dave, A wonderful find ...and a perfect picture, well done. I live about 8 miles from Lyme, so will hunt for your shop next time I'm visiting. DaveT On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 00:17, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by > distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere > nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme > Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of > you will know, especially out of season. > > The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic > chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the > through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too > much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest > part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very > long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture > Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. > > With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m > attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front > itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed > to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? Here is the run > down of the pages, row by row from left to right:- > > *MAIN WINDOW* > > Lemon Hart Rum; Swizzels Navy Sweets; Dewars Scotch Whiskey; Guiness; > Virginia McKenna; Walls Ice Cream; Puritan Soap; Gilbeys Odds On > Cocktail; > Debbie Reynolds; Martini Sweet Vermouth. > > Scott?s Porage Oats; Breeze Toilet Soap; Kraft Margarine; Marlon > Brando; Outspan Oranges; Pascall Fruit Drops; Omo Washing Powder; > Leslie Caron. > > Coca Cola; Joan Collins; Morris Cars; Schweppes Orange Drink; OK > Sauce; Murray?s Regent Chocolate Assortment; Murraymints; Bounty > Chocolate bar. > > *DOOR* > > Scott?s Porage; Sophia Loren; Surf Washing Powder; Duke of Edinburgh; > UK?s 100 mph Cars*; Norman Wisdom & Gillian Moran Dance Sequence at the > RVS London Palladium 2.11.1954. > > also part obscured on LHS:- Wrigleys PK Chewing Gum; Stork Margarine; > Panda Rug Making Kits. > > *SIDE LIGHT* > > Kim Novak; Anita Ekberg (centrefold). > > *the 100 mph cars shown are:- Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire; Riley > Pathfinder; Bentley Continental; Lagonda 3 Ltr Coupe; Alvis TC Coupe; > Bristol 404; Aston Martin DB2/4; Jensen CV; Sunbeam Talbot Alpine > Special; Daimler Conquest; Jaguar XK120; AC Ace; Triumph TR2; Austin > Healey 100/4. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We visited it when we were on a family holiday self-catering in Torquay with our two young ones. I was sitting on a grassy slope while my wife wandered up the hill exploring and my little boy wandered off onto the breakwater, fell off onto the big rocks below and broke his glasses and cut his legs! End of a day out! Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 23 08:32:31 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:32:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: <822424939C1F41A8A8E879FA63EBB568@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <9526BEDB-8404-403A-9B72-CB763B978BC9@mac.com> <822424939C1F41A8A8E879FA63EBB568@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: The reference to The French Lieutenant?s Woman was mischievous ~ Dave ~ I anticipated no more than a ghost and I'm certainly unaware of any blue plaque. But you are quite right that Lyme Regis takes some beating ~ ideal for a stroll to work off the Sunday lunch. Proximity to the coast is one of the things we miss here in leafy Surrey ~ West Wittering is probably our current favourite seaside outing, almost regardless of weather, but it?s a tad too far for a spontaneous trip after lunch at this time of year. Mike G > On 23 Jan 2022, at 11:08, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > I?ve been wondering about this, Mike and am unsure of my memory. We didn?t consciously see a plaque on this occasion although we did walk out along the Cobb as we always do. I think I recollect seeing a small plaque in the wall close to where the steps take you up from jetty level to the higher level of the Cobb but since your post I have Googled but found nothing. > > On a sunny, still winter?s day it takes some beating. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 <> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:56 AM > To: Tech Ops <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window > > We know Lyme very well, Dave. I don?t suppose you saw the French Lieutenant?s Woman out on the Cobb wall? > > Mike G > >> On 23 Jan 2022, at 00:17, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. >> >> The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. >> >> With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 23 09:23:28 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 15:23:28 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: References: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><9526BEDB-8404-403A-9B72-CB763B978BC9@mac.com><822424939C1F41A8A8E879FA63EBB568@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Dear oh dear Mike, slow on the uptake or what! I am a complete dumbo at times ? might put it down to feeling absolutely drugged on my medication but it more likely is inherent. However, the plaque I think I remember wasn?t the familiar heritage blue circle but a more sombre bronze or lead type rectangle. There are a lot dotted about in Lyme, often easy to pass by such as this one above the small car park (not my photo):- Looking on the web I think the thing in my hazy memory was more likely this (again, not my photo):- Dave Newbitt. From: M E GILES via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 2:32 PM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window The reference to The French Lieutenant?s Woman was mischievous ~ Dave ~ I anticipated no more than a ghost and I'm certainly unaware of any blue plaque. But you are quite right that Lyme Regis takes some beating ~ ideal for a stroll to work off the Sunday lunch. Proximity to the coast is one of the things we miss here in leafy Surrey ~ West Wittering is probably our current favourite seaside outing, almost regardless of weather, but it?s a tad too far for a spontaneous trip after lunch at this time of year. Mike G On 23 Jan 2022, at 11:08, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: I?ve been wondering about this, Mike and am unsure of my memory. We didn?t consciously see a plaque on this occasion although we did walk out along the Cobb as we always do. I think I recollect seeing a small plaque in the wall close to where the steps take you up from jetty level to the higher level of the Cobb but since your post I have Googled but found nothing. On a sunny, still winter?s day it takes some beating. Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 12:56 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window We know Lyme very well, Dave. I don?t suppose you saw the French Lieutenant?s Woman out on the Cobb wall? Mike G On 23 Jan 2022, at 00:17, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. 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We visited it when we were on a family holiday self-catering in Torquay with our two young ones. I was sitting on a grassy slope while my wife wandered up the hill exploring and my little boy wandered off onto the breakwater, fell off onto the big rocks below and broke his glasses and cut his legs! End of a day out! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC06977 heavy crop.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1547797 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 23 10:54:42 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (David Mundy) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:54:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Verisure Message-ID: <37d54a1c-295f-e14c-a5a8-f893a15d3219@btinternet.com> > ?I've just had a chat with my burgled neighbour and his alarm system sets off a smoke generator which fills the whole house with smoke and at the same time rings the police, who were there in eight minutes. They didn't take anything so he thinks that the smoke scared them away. The forensics people were there for 4 hours yesterday but didn't find any clues. The burglars smashed the rear patio door glass to get in, same as the last times. Cheers, Dave From alanaudio at me.com Sun Jan 23 11:46:36 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 17:46:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Verisure In-Reply-To: <37d54a1c-295f-e14c-a5a8-f893a15d3219@btinternet.com> References: <37d54a1c-295f-e14c-a5a8-f893a15d3219@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6946F628-9730-49CB-836C-5001AEA88A96@me.com> > On 23 Jan 2022, at 16:55, David Mundy via Tech1 wrote: > > ?> ?I've just had a chat with my burgled neighbour and his alarm system sets off a smoke generator which fills the whole house with smoke and at the same time rings the police, who were there in eight minutes. They didn't take anything so he thinks that the smoke scared them away. The forensics people were there for 4 hours yesterday but didn't find any clues. The burglars smashed the rear patio door glass to get in, same as the last times. Cheers, Dave Do you have contact details for that forensic team who were unable to find any evidence after looking for four hours, despite there being obvious signs of a crime? I know of a Mr Johnson who would be very keen to use them in the search for evidence of wrongdoing in Downing Street. Alan Taylor From ggstable at mac.com Sun Jan 23 12:46:02 2022 From: ggstable at mac.com (GRAHAM GILES) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 18:46:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ideas for survival of the BBC - in letters to the Times Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I had all those, I started on magazines - because just love the adverts. Somewhere I have Picture Post number one? -? ?70 to you, guv.? Anyway, I've pulled out a few for your enjoyment. If you're in to trigger lines, be warned - these evil old tomes are not for the faint hearted http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/old-magazines/ B On 23/01/2022 10:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Purely in the interest of clarity for any younger members who might > not be aware of the lady, here is a tighter shot of the Anita Ekberg > image? in the RH sidelight. Not difficult to understand how a young Mr > Sheppard might momentarily have lost concentration! > DaveNewbitt. > *From:* Hugh Sheppard > *Sent:* Sunday, January 23, 2022 9:11 AM > *To:* tech1 > *Cc:* David Newbitt > *Subject:* Fwd: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window > > WOW!!? What a shop-front! > > Not quite the one that old lads amongst us might remember for Anita > Ekberg, but can anyone match my recall?? She came to Lime Grove in the > days of 'Town and Around' with her eye-catching window display.? > Wardrobe was summoned to place a chiffon scarf around her shoulders in > the interest of discretion. As the opening titles ran, she deftly > removed it and leant into camera...? I quite forgot which cables I was > meant to clear that day! > > Hugh > > With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by > distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me > somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we > went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as > doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. > The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic > chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the > through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without > too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the > narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected > for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside > with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. > With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m > attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop > front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it > been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the > resort? Here is the run down of the pages, row by row from left to right:- > _MAIN WINDOW_ > Lemon Hart Rum;? Swizzels Navy Sweets;? Dewars Scotch Whiskey;? > Guiness;? Virginia McKenna;? Walls Ice Cream;? Puritan Soap;? Gilbeys > Odds On Cocktail; > Debbie Reynolds;? Martini Sweet Vermouth. > Scott?s Porage Oats;? Breeze Toilet Soap;? Kraft Margarine;? Marlon > Brando;? Outspan Oranges; Pascall Fruit Drops;? Omo Washing Powder;? > Leslie Caron. > Coca Cola;? Joan Collins;? Morris Cars; Schweppes Orange Drink;? OK > Sauce;? Murray?s Regent Chocolate Assortment;? Murraymints;? Bounty > Chocolate bar. > _DOOR_ > Scott?s Porage;? Sophia Loren;? Surf Washing Powder;? Duke of > Edinburgh;? UK?s 100 mph Cars*;? Norman Wisdom & Gillian Moran Dance > Sequence at the RVS London Palladium 2.11.1954. > also part obscured on LHS:- Wrigleys PK Chewing Gum;? Stork > Margarine;? Panda Rug Making Kits. > _SIDE LIGHT_ > Kim Novak;? Anita Ekberg (centrefold). > *the 100 mph cars shown are:- Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire;? Riley > Pathfinder; Bentley Continental;? Lagonda 3 Ltr Coupe;? Alvis TC > Coupe; Bristol 404;? Aston Martin DB2/4; Jensen CV;? Sunbeam Talbot > Alpine Special; Daimler Conquest;? Jaguar XK120;? AC Ace;? Triumph > TR2;? Austin Healey 100/4. > Dave Newbitt. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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B On 23/01/2022 20:15, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > Two obvious issues. > 1) The current show used as an EG is made by ITV (all be It for the > BBC) the BBC does not set or employ the people on the credits. > > 2) Rodger, having done 160 shows with a presenter and DJ who has done > much to damage the BBC reputation , is on a sticky wicket to blame > they had enough people in past times. The counter argument being if > they were adequately staffed , thay may have been able to spot and > stop what activities went on? > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Sent:* 23 January 2022 19:10 > *To:* ggstable at mac.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Reply to:* dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > *Cc:* dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Ideas for survival of the BBC - in letters to > the Times > > > As you say Graham, Roger?s letter was published in The Times but he > also posted it on ?Memories of Working at BBC Television Centre? where > it was met with a barrage of disapproval. No less than 51 comments ? > just a few non-condemnatory but the vast bulk ranging from > disagreement to outright hostility. In the end admin closed the topic > and thereby ended the comments. It had been getting quite heated. > Does look as though some circumspection is required before advancing > solutions, especially if the solutions point a finger in sensitive > directions. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* GRAHAM GILES via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, January 23, 2022 6:46 PM > *To:* TechOps Forum > *Subject:* [Tech1] Ideas for survival of the BBC - in letters to the Times > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 23 18:04:57 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 00:04:57 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: <2f15134d-9282-fede-ca7e-411750bfde30@gmail.com> References: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><623b70d7-89d8-1d4a-b39e-6bcae9e122a7@btinternet.com><1BE4E8DB083D45DB84FADADEBE3748C5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2f15134d-9282-fede-ca7e-411750bfde30@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A480B42C2F2480AB1A07FD159FFF8FE@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Well yes Bernie, the same curiosity prompted me to poke about a bit and everything is more recent than I had thought. A series of images to put some chronology on the tale:- SOMETIME PRIOR TO 2014 AUGUST 2014 SEPTEMBER 2016 MAY 2018 JAN 2022 As I photographed it. The business closed down on Dec 26th 2017, hence the letting agent?s sign in the window on the Google May 2018 image. The magazine cut-outs were therefore added at earliest 3 1/2 years or so ago. The shop is integral with a flat above which is occupied, probably by the same people connected with the last recorded sale of the property in 2004. My speculation is that the Lucy-Ann business ran on a lease from the owners who then, following the demise of that business at the end of 2017, re-let the property at some point in 2018. Nothing seems to remotely suggest that business use is imminent so either the new tenant or the owners (if the tenant failed) established privacy by cutting up at least 10 of the monthly Picture Posts from 1954. It is astonishing how rapidly the appearance has deteriorated but perhaps that has been the result of painting over seriously under-prepared walls, joinery and fittings. Standard British DIY workmanship! Your posting of the wonderful ad images was greatly enjoyed. Best wishes, Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:36 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window Do we know how long that shopfront has been like that? It seems terribly sad if they ripped up those old magazines just recently. Some years ago my wife would drag me to antique fairs on a Sunday afternoon, till I started saying "Too much stuff!!". I used to while away the time by buying old Eagle annuals, and i have one to 12 plus others. When I had all those, I started on magazines - because just love the adverts. Somewhere I have Picture Post number one - ?70 to you, guv. Anyway, I've pulled out a few for your enjoyment. If you're in to trigger lines, be warned - these evil old tomes are not for the faint hearted http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/old-magazines/ B On 23/01/2022 10:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Purely in the interest of clarity for any younger memb ers who might not be aware of the lady, here is a tighter shot of the Anita Ekberg image in the RH sidelight. Not difficult to understand how a young Mr Sheppard might momentarily have lost concentration! DaveNewbitt. From: Hugh Sheppard Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 9:11 AM To: tech1 Cc: David Newbitt Subject: Fwd: [Tech1] Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window WOW!! What a shop-front! Not quite the one that old lads amongst us might remember for Anita Ekberg, but can anyone match my recall? She came to Lime Grove in the days of 'Town and Around' with her eye-catching window display. Wardrobe was summoned to place a chiffon scarf around her shoulders in the interest of discretion. As the opening titles ran, she deftly removed it and leant into camera... I quite forgot which cables I was meant to clear that day! Hugh With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? Here is the run down of the pages, row by row from left to right:- MAIN WINDOW Lemon Hart Rum; Swizzels Navy Sweets; Dewars Scotch Whiskey; Guiness; Virginia McKenna; Walls Ice Cream; Puritan Soap; Gilbeys Odds On Cocktail; Debbie Reynolds; Martini Sweet Vermouth. Scott?s Porage Oats; Breeze Toilet Soap; Kraft Margarine; Marlon Brando; Outspan Oranges; Pascall Fruit Drops; Omo Washing Powder; Leslie Caron. Coca Cola; Joan Collins; Morris Cars; Schweppes Orange Drink; OK Sauce; Murray?s Regent Chocolate Assortment; Murraymints; Bounty Chocolate bar. DOOR Scott?s Porage; Sophia Loren; Surf Washing Powder; Duke of Edinburgh; UK?s 100 mph Cars*; Norman Wisdom & Gillian Moran Dance Sequence at the RVS London Palladium 2.11.1954. also part obscured on LHS:- Wrigleys PK Chewing Gum; Stork Margarine; Panda Rug Making Kits. SIDE LIGHT Kim Novak; Anita Ekberg (centrefold). *the 100 mph cars shown are:- Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire; Riley Pathfinder; Bentley Continental; Lagonda 3 Ltr Coupe; Alvis TC Coupe; Bristol 404; Aston Martin DB2/4; Jensen CV; Sunbeam Talbot Alpine Special; Daimler Conquest; Jaguar XK120; AC Ace; Triumph TR2; Austin Healey 100/4. Dave Newbitt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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She came to Lime Grove in the days of 'Town and Around' with her eye-catching window display. Wardrobe was summoned to place a chiffon scarf around her shoulders in the interest of discretion. As the opening titles ran, she deftly removed it and leant into camera... I quite forgot which cables I was meant to clear that day! Hugh With all my woes from this wretched Shingles only being alleviated by distraction, Hilary has been picking the sunny days to drive me somewhere nice for a few hours. Yesterday (Friday) was one such and we went to Lyme Regis which is only 40 mins drive and an absolute gem as doubtless many of you will know, especially out of season. The steep road that drops down to the tiny car park is usually traffic chaos, especially by the car park. However, roadworks had closed the through-road so it was unusually hazard free. It enabled me, without too much risk of being mown down, to photograph a shop front at the narrowest part of the road which has clearly lain unused and neglected for a very long time. The windows are entirely covered on the inside with 1954 Picture Post covers, adverts and a couple of bits of copy. With one useless arm, taking a photo at all is a challenge but I?m attaching the result which really is a blast from the past. The shop front itself is fascinating in its dereliction ? how on earth has it been allowed to degrade to this degree at the focal point of the resort? Here is the run down of the pages, row by row from left to right:- MAIN WINDOW Lemon Hart Rum; Swizzels Navy Sweets; Dewars Scotch Whiskey; Guiness; Virginia McKenna; Walls Ice Cream; Puritan Soap; Gilbeys Odds On Cocktail; Debbie Reynolds; Martini Sweet Vermouth. Scott?s Porage Oats; Breeze Toilet Soap; Kraft Margarine; Marlon Brando; Outspan Oranges; Pascall Fruit Drops; Omo Washing Powder; Leslie Caron. Coca Cola; Joan Collins; Morris Cars; Schweppes Orange Drink; OK Sauce; Murray?s Regent Chocolate Assortment; Murraymints; Bounty Chocolate bar. DOOR Scott?s Porage; Sophia Loren; Surf Washing Powder; Duke of Edinburgh; UK?s 100 mph Cars*; Norman Wisdom & Gillian Moran Dance Sequence at the RVS London Palladium 2.11.1954. also part obscured on LHS:- Wrigleys PK Chewing Gum; Stork Margarine; Panda Rug Making Kits. SIDE LIGHT Kim Novak; Anita Ekberg (centrefold). *the 100 mph cars shown are:- Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire; Riley Pathfinder; Bentley Continental; Lagonda 3 Ltr Coupe; Alvis TC Coupe; Bristol 404; Aston Martin DB2/4; Jensen CV; Sunbeam Talbot Alpine Special; Daimler Conquest; Jaguar XK120; AC Ace; Triumph TR2; Austin Healey 100/4. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance Alan Taylor From peter.neill at icloud.com Mon Jan 24 04:27:53 2022 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:27:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC sound effects catalogue In-Reply-To: <0E0B3B61-693B-429B-8B07-403C73C79BD7@me.com> References: <0E0B3B61-693B-429B-8B07-403C73C79BD7@me.com> Message-ID: I can?t help with a catalogue, but I?ll share my favourite entry. SEAGULLS: See GULLS, Seagulls Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 24 Jan 2022, at 09:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Can any of the sound guys provide me with images of the BBC sound effects catalogue? > > In the 1980s, I remember it as having a plain red cover and was about the size of a slim telephone directory. > > Ideally I would like a photo or scan of the front cover and another one of a typical page of listings. > > Thanks in advance > > Alan Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 24 04:29:39 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:29:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window In-Reply-To: <2f15134d-9282-fede-ca7e-411750bfde30@gmail.com> References: <08D0928EA9994E4B9138B758EA7EB8F1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <623b70d7-89d8-1d4a-b39e-6bcae9e122a7@btinternet.com> <1BE4E8DB083D45DB84FADADEBE3748C5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2f15134d-9282-fede-ca7e-411750bfde30@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61ee7f94.1c69fb81.6ccda.bd18@mx.google.com> Loved the old ad pages that you put up! The Kensitas ad reminded me that as my parents were both smokers, I used to collect the empty cigarette packets - fascinated by all the different ones. I wish that I had kept them as they would have been useful period props today! What I do still have is a collection of book matches ? safely kept in a tin. I believe these to be collectable, as several are from companies which now no longer exist (Pan Am, and also early BBC ones as well). Dunno what to do if selling, as the Royal Mail decrees that they are prohibited goods, so cannot post them. Even though I have DVD?s of all the Bonds, I sat through ?From Russia With Love? on TV the other night. There?s a scene where the villain exits his flat from behind a huge movie poster advertising Anita Ekberg! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 23 January 2022 20:37 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Preserved 1950's Picture Post in shop window Do we know how long that shopfront has been like that???? It seems terribly sad if they ripped up those old magazines just recently. Some years ago my wife would drag me to antique fairs on a Sunday afternoon, till I started saying "Too much stuff!!".? I used to while away the time by buying old Eagle annuals, and i have one to 12 plus others.? When I had all those, I started on magazines - because just love the adverts. Somewhere I have Picture Post number one? -? ?70 to you, guv.? Anyway, I've pulled out a few for your enjoyment. If you're in to trigger lines, be warned - these evil old tomes are not for the faint hearted? http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/old-magazines/ B On 23/01/2022 10:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Purely in the interest of clarity for any younger members who might not be aware of the lady, here is a tighter shot of the Anita Ekberg image? in the RH sidelight. Not difficult to understand how a young Mr Sheppard might momentarily have lost concentration! ? DaveNewbitt. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 24 04:53:33 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:53:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC sound effects catalogue In-Reply-To: References: <0E0B3B61-693B-429B-8B07-403C73C79BD7@me.com> Message-ID: <61ee852f.1c69fb81.b64fa.fcf6@mx.google.com> The 1980?s was after my time, I have no recollection of a separate catalogue. I used to visit the TVC Gram Library where there was a card index system. If anything wasn?t duplicated at TVC, it was sent over from the main library at BH. Just before I left, FX were re-mastered to 7? microgroove discs at 33 1/3 I think. Not liked by us Gram Ops as the 78rpm ones had much coarser grooves for finding the start of the one required. There are viewers who delight in picking holes in the ?wrong birds? for location or season. To repeat what a favourite director once said ? If they worry about that, they?ve lost the plot!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2022 10:28 To: Alan Taylor Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC sound effects catalogue I can?t help with a catalogue, but I?ll share my favourite entry. SEAGULLS: See GULLS, Seagulls Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 24 Jan 2022, at 09:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Can any of the sound guys provide me with images of the BBC sound effects catalogue? > > In the 1980s, I remember it as having a plain red cover and was about the size of a slim telephone directory. > > Ideally I would like a photo or scan of the front cover and another one of a typical page of listings. > > Thanks in advance > > Alan Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Jan 24 05:48:52 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:48:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC sound effects catalogue In-Reply-To: References: <0E0B3B61-693B-429B-8B07-403C73C79BD7@me.com> Message-ID: <55EFACE3-E2B2-4A90-AABB-A50A0DBE3042@btinternet.com> Some of my wild tracks are in there My fav is Alastians barking at night in January on a Slough council estate.(Langley) 1980 Or Piranah flapping in hand of fisherman (Surinam 1978) My colleague Keith Rodgerson recorded the cries of a goldfish in distress, also included?. Dickie Bird ,lately deceased had a 72 dawn chorus in Sarawak featuring Howlers and Gibbons played fully on R3 Breakfast > On 24 Jan 2022, at 10:27, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > I can?t help with a catalogue, but I?ll share my favourite entry. > > SEAGULLS: See GULLS, Seagulls > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > >> On 24 Jan 2022, at 09:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Can any of the sound guys provide me with images of the BBC sound effects catalogue? >> >> In the 1980s, I remember it as having a plain red cover and was about the size of a slim telephone directory. >> >> Ideally I would like a photo or scan of the front cover and another one of a typical page of listings. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Alan Taylor >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 24 06:24:54 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:24:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC sound effects catalogue In-Reply-To: <55EFACE3-E2B2-4A90-AABB-A50A0DBE3042@btinternet.com> References: <0E0B3B61-693B-429B-8B07-403C73C79BD7@me.com> <55EFACE3-E2B2-4A90-AABB-A50A0DBE3042@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61ee9a99.1c69fb81.dc585.ce50@mx.google.com> No doubt the foreign locations for Wildlife programmes offered a wonderful opportunity to capture FX not readily available from the gram library! I had a holiday trip on a small cruise ship crossing the Indian Ocean, finishing in the Indonesian Archipelago. There we visited Komodo to see the ?dragons? (very large lizards). As well as an S-VHS Handycam, I had with me my stereo Walkman and an electret mic. After the shore party had buggered off back to the ship, thus providing a quiet background free of chattering, I set about recording some wildtrack atmos. The ?prehistoric? seeming creatures then started hissing and crawling over each other, which they hadn?t done while we were there. I saw most of the trip in the B&W viewfinder, but the ship?s library had a super colour TV with every single type of input connector on the back. I used my BBC status to get permission to view my ?rushes? in colour. A fellow traveller couple came in, saw the screen and asked if it was one of the National Geographic videos kept in the library. No, shot this afternoon in Madagascar! At the lemur reservation. I was chuffed that it was thought to look professional enough. Thank you, BBC for teaching me camerawork and sound! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2022 11:49 To: Peter Neill Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC sound effects catalogue Some of my wild tracks are in there My fav is Alastians barking at night in January on a Slough council estate.(Langley) 1980 Or Piranah flapping in hand of fisherman (Surinam 1978) My colleague Keith Rodgerson recorded the cries of a goldfish in distress, also included?. Dickie Bird ,lately deceased had a 72 dawn chorus in Sarawak featuring Howlers and Gibbons played fully on R3 Breakfast -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The storyline was very depressing indeed My Assistant and I hired a local house in Brylcreeme Close, Reading just round the back of the Unilever factory? We existed on Special Brew and Sandwiches . David Thewlis was in it , he later married Uma Thurman. It was directed by Phil Davies , his first . The Surinam track was real , our cameraman was a dab handed fisherman, throw a few chicken bones in the river and the Piranah storm in He neatly whacked them with a machete and we grilled them on the campfire, quite tasty. There was a coup when we were in Surinam , all the locals wanted to get to Holland and enjoy social security there A t the air port it was chaos, we got on board and it was full up I asked the attendant how long to Schiphol, he didn?t know if we were stopping Madrid or not Went to the Captain and returned , we are going direct.With that he cleared the last 5 rows off the plane of passengers, they needed to lose weight! From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Jan 27 12:08:04 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:08:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Programme of interest Message-ID: <61f2df84.1c69fb81.f37f6.f5e8@mx.google.com> This may be of interest to some of the Tech-Ops contingent! Documentary film: Making Waves: The Art of Cinematic Sound Thursday 3rd Feb. Sky Arts Freeview Ch11 9:00 to 11-00 pm There is mention of the talents of Walter Murch and Ben Burtt being showcased. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave Newbitt From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 9:56 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUND RELEASE ORDER -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: FUND RELEASE ORDER Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 01:35:58 -0800 From: Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills mailto:revchriswillie0009 at gmail.com Reply-To: mrsmariegorethmills5707 at gmail.com The World Economy has also been affected tremendously because many Government Institutions and private owned Companies have also been victimized by this unscrupulous elements of our Society at one time or the other. The United Nations in Collaboration with the IMF, USAID and the EU have therefore developed a Compensation Fund to cushion the effects of this Crime on those affected across all Nations. To this effect a total of $ 20Billion (USD) has been Deposited with the Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance UK in Partnership with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York for onward Payment to the short listed Scam Victims whose names appeared on the a comprehensive list jointly complied and submitted by the FBI and INTERPOL through information extracted from arrested Internet Fraudsters who are currently serving various jail terms in Prison facilities Worldwide. Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance is selected as the Paying Bank after a long and thorough Scrutiny of their history, Transparency and diligence in handling cases of this nature which Ranks above all other Competing Banks. You are receiving this email because you are one of those whose name appeared on the "Scam Victims" list and shortlisted for the first phase of Payment which was planned to commence in January 2020 but due suspended due to the COVID19 Pandemic, however, payment has now fully resumed. Furthermore, you are entitled to $ 5Million United States Dollars only not withstanding how much you lost fraudulently. Your Prompt response to this email for contact of details of Mr. Fredrick Peters the Foreign Remittance DIRECTOR of the Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance UK for further guidance and assistance on how to access your compensation which will be effected by the bank using Online Wire Transfer Method. Kindly ignore if you got this email by error. NB: Do not hesitate to Render any Information that can lead to the Arrest of more of this Fraudsters and you can also feel free to share Information of fellow Scam Victims with us so we can also reach out to them. Regards, Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills UN/IMF Representative Scam Victims / Social Welfare -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jan 29 05:09:28 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 11:09:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUNDRELEASE ORDER In-Reply-To: <6D94625FAE6B4805902C06B5CBA32511@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <36f1c02f-aa3e-d14c-3e1a-b4463da5013d@gmail.com> <6D94625FAE6B4805902C06B5CBA32511@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <61f52068.1c69fb81.6aa73.0ccb@mx.google.com> ?Is it a bird, is it a plane?? No it?s SuperScam! Googling this ?lady?s? name throws up a scam warning posting, likening it to the 419 Nigerian scams of a few years ago. Several pointers to the fakery ? unusual and incorrect capitalisation, and if a genuine electronic transfer of funds, would be unaffected by Covid. Anyone sucked in by this is remarkably stupid, greedy, or both. Bah! Bumhug! (oops, meant Humbug!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 29 January 2022 10:13 To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUNDRELEASE ORDER Apart from the usual welter of spelling mistakes and awkward phrasing plus the wild improbability of the content, this looks pretty good. ? Dave Newbitt ? From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 9:56 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUND RELEASE ORDER ? ? -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: FUND RELEASE ORDER Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 01:35:58 -0800 From: Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills mailto:revchriswillie0009 at gmail.com Reply-To: mrsmariegorethmills5707 at gmail.com The World Economy has also been affected tremendously because many Government Institutions and private owned Companies have also been victimized by this unscrupulous elements of our Society at one time or the other. The United Nations in Collaboration with the IMF, USAID and the EU have therefore developed a Compensation Fund to cushion the effects of this Crime on those affected across all Nations. To this effect a total of $ 20Billion (USD) has been Deposited with the Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance UK in Partnership with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York for onward Payment to the short listed Scam Victims whose names appeared on the a comprehensive list jointly complied and submitted by the FBI and INTERPOL through information extracted from arrested Internet Fraudsters who are currently serving various jail terms in Prison facilities Worldwide. Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance is selected as the Paying Bank after a long and thorough Scrutiny of their history, Transparency and diligence in handling cases of this nature which Ranks above all other Competing Banks. You are receiving this email because you are one of those whose name appeared on the "Scam Victims" list and shortlisted for the first phase of Payment which was planned to commence in January 2020 but due suspended due to the COVID19 Pandemic, however, payment has now fully resumed. Furthermore, you are entitled to $ 5Million United States Dollars only not withstanding how much you lost fraudulently. Your Prompt response to this email for contact of details of Mr. Fredrick Peters the Foreign Remittance DIRECTOR of the Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance UK for further guidance and assistance on how to access your compensation which will be effected by the bank using Online Wire Transfer Method. Kindly ignore if you got this email by error. NB: Do not hesitate to Render any Information that can lead to the Arrest of more of this Fraudsters and you can also feel free to share Information of fellow Scam Victims with us so we can also reach out to them. 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Name: 9FB47506687949D0AA56D4C346A95607.png Type: image/png Size: 140 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Jan 29 05:13:21 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 11:13:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUNDRELEASE ORDER In-Reply-To: <61f52068.1c69fb81.6aa73.0ccb@mx.google.com> References: <36f1c02f-aa3e-d14c-3e1a-b4463da5013d@gmail.com> <6D94625FAE6B4805902C06B5CBA32511@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <61f52068.1c69fb81.6aa73.0ccb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <10BD1781-D2EC-4A62-94C0-3991AC316BC5@icloud.com> And, of course, a major UN agency would use not one but two gmail addresses! Sure I?ve heard of the ?rev Chris Willie" before ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Jan 2022, at 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Is it a bird, is it a plane?? No it?s SuperScam! > > Googling this ?lady?s? name throws up a scam warning posting, likening it to the 419 Nigerian scams of a few years ago. > Several pointers to the fakery ? unusual and incorrect capitalisation, and if a genuine electronic transfer of funds, would be unaffected by Covid. Anyone sucked in by this is remarkably stupid, greedy, or both. > > Bah! Bumhug! (oops, meant Humbug!) > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: David Newbitt via Tech1 > Sent: 29 January 2022 10:13 > To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUNDRELEASE ORDER > > Apart from the usual welter of spelling mistakes and awkward phrasing plus the wild improbability of the content, this looks pretty good. > > Dave Newbitt > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 9:56 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUND RELEASE ORDER > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: > FUND RELEASE ORDER > Date: > Sat, 29 Jan 2022 01:35:58 -0800 > From: > Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills mailto:revchriswillie0009 at gmail.com > Reply-To: > mrsmariegorethmills5707 at gmail.com > > > The World Economy has also been affected tremendously because many > Government Institutions and private owned Companies have also been > victimized by this unscrupulous elements of our Society at one time or > the other. The United Nations in Collaboration with the IMF, USAID and > the EU have therefore developed a Compensation Fund to cushion the > effects of this Crime on those affected across all Nations. > > > To this effect a total of $ 20Billion (USD) has been Deposited with > the Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance UK in Partnership with the > Federal Reserve Bank of New York for onward Payment to the short > listed Scam Victims whose names appeared on the a comprehensive list > jointly complied and submitted by the FBI and INTERPOL through > information extracted from arrested Internet Fraudsters who are > currently serving various jail terms in Prison facilities Worldwide. > > > Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance is selected as the Paying Bank > after a long and thorough Scrutiny of their history, Transparency and > diligence in handling cases of this nature which Ranks above all other > Competing Banks. > > You are receiving this email because you are one of those whose name > appeared on the "Scam Victims" list and shortlisted for the first > phase of Payment which was planned to commence in January 2020 but due > suspended due to the COVID19 Pandemic, however, payment has now fully > resumed. Furthermore, you are entitled to $ 5Million United States > Dollars only not withstanding how much you lost fraudulently. > > Your Prompt response to this email for contact of details of Mr. > Fredrick Peters the Foreign Remittance DIRECTOR of the Hallmark > Federal Credit Union / Finance UK for further guidance and assistance > on how to access your compensation which will be effected by the bank > using Online Wire Transfer Method. > > Kindly ignore if you got this email by error. NB: Do not hesitate to > Render any Information that can lead to the Arrest of more of this > Fraudsters and you can also feel free to share Information of fellow > Scam Victims with us so we can also reach out to them. > > Regards, > Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills > UN/IMF Representative > Scam Victims / Social Welfare > <9FB47506687949D0AA56D4C346A95607.png> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <9FB47506687949D0AA56D4C346A95607.png>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Jan 29 05:17:38 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 11:17:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUNDRELEASE ORDER In-Reply-To: <10BD1781-D2EC-4A62-94C0-3991AC316BC5@icloud.com> References: <36f1c02f-aa3e-d14c-3e1a-b4463da5013d@gmail.com> <6D94625FAE6B4805902C06B5CBA32511@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <61f52068.1c69fb81.6aa73.0ccb@mx.google.com> <10BD1781-D2EC-4A62-94C0-3991AC316BC5@icloud.com> Message-ID: <967280E2-E16B-489E-9BEB-273499922387@icloud.com> Quick google of the fake Rev shows he is a Dominic Chidubem, a citizen of Lagos, now there?s a surprise. ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Jan 2022, at 11:13, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > And, of course, a major UN agency would use not one but two gmail addresses! Sure I?ve heard of the ?rev Chris Willie" before > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 29 Jan 2022, at 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Is it a bird, is it a plane?? No it?s SuperScam! >> >> Googling this ?lady?s? name throws up a scam warning posting, likening it to the 419 Nigerian scams of a few years ago. >> Several pointers to the fakery ? unusual and incorrect capitalisation, and if a genuine electronic transfer of funds, would be unaffected by Covid. Anyone sucked in by this is remarkably stupid, greedy, or both. >> >> Bah! Bumhug! (oops, meant Humbug!) >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >> Sent: 29 January 2022 10:13 >> To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUNDRELEASE ORDER >> >> Apart from the usual welter of spelling mistakes and awkward phrasing plus the wild improbability of the content, this looks pretty good. >> >> Dave Newbitt >> >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 9:56 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUND RELEASE ORDER >> >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: >> FUND RELEASE ORDER >> Date: >> Sat, 29 Jan 2022 01:35:58 -0800 >> From: >> Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills mailto:revchriswillie0009 at gmail.com >> Reply-To: >> mrsmariegorethmills5707 at gmail.com >> >> >> The World Economy has also been affected tremendously because many >> Government Institutions and private owned Companies have also been >> victimized by this unscrupulous elements of our Society at one time or >> the other. The United Nations in Collaboration with the IMF, USAID and >> the EU have therefore developed a Compensation Fund to cushion the >> effects of this Crime on those affected across all Nations. >> >> >> To this effect a total of $ 20Billion (USD) has been Deposited with >> the Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance UK in Partnership with the >> Federal Reserve Bank of New York for onward Payment to the short >> listed Scam Victims whose names appeared on the a comprehensive list >> jointly complied and submitted by the FBI and INTERPOL through >> information extracted from arrested Internet Fraudsters who are >> currently serving various jail terms in Prison facilities Worldwide. >> >> >> Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance is selected as the Paying Bank >> after a long and thorough Scrutiny of their history, Transparency and >> diligence in handling cases of this nature which Ranks above all other >> Competing Banks. >> >> You are receiving this email because you are one of those whose name >> appeared on the "Scam Victims" list and shortlisted for the first >> phase of Payment which was planned to commence in January 2020 but due >> suspended due to the COVID19 Pandemic, however, payment has now fully >> resumed. Furthermore, you are entitled to $ 5Million United States >> Dollars only not withstanding how much you lost fraudulently. >> >> Your Prompt response to this email for contact of details of Mr. >> Fredrick Peters the Foreign Remittance DIRECTOR of the Hallmark >> Federal Credit Union / Finance UK for further guidance and assistance >> on how to access your compensation which will be effected by the bank >> using Online Wire Transfer Method. >> >> Kindly ignore if you got this email by error. NB: Do not hesitate to >> Render any Information that can lead to the Arrest of more of this >> Fraudsters and you can also feel free to share Information of fellow >> Scam Victims with us so we can also reach out to them. >> >> Regards, >> Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills >> UN/IMF Representative >> Scam Victims / Social Welfare >> <9FB47506687949D0AA56D4C346A95607.png> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <9FB47506687949D0AA56D4C346A95607.png>-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jan 29 05:28:12 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 11:28:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd:FUNDRELEASE ORDER In-Reply-To: <967280E2-E16B-489E-9BEB-273499922387@icloud.com> References: <36f1c02f-aa3e-d14c-3e1a-b4463da5013d@gmail.com> <6D94625FAE6B4805902C06B5CBA32511@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <61f52068.1c69fb81.6aa73.0ccb@mx.google.com> <10BD1781-D2EC-4A62-94C0-3991AC316BC5@icloud.com> <967280E2-E16B-489E-9BEB-273499922387@icloud.com> Message-ID: <61f524cb.1c69fb81.a1dd0.102f@mx.google.com> In the 007 ?Goldeneye?, the computer nerd character can send a ?spike? to rot up the originating computer. Pity that?s not available in real life! Although in the fake rev?s case maybe it should be a lightning bolt from on high! (There are two amusing golfing stories about this ? might post them later) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Graeme Wall Sent: 29 January 2022 11:17 To: Graeme Wall Cc: patheigham; Tech ops; David Newbitt; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd:FUNDRELEASE ORDER Quick google of the fake Rev shows he is a Dominic Chidubem, a citizen of Lagos, now there?s a surprise. ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Jan 2022, at 11:13, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > And, of course, a major UN agency would use not one but two gmail addresses! Sure I?ve heard of the ?rev Chris Willie" before > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 29 Jan 2022, at 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Is it a bird, is it a plane?? No it?s SuperScam! >> >> Googling this ?lady?s? name throws up a scam warning posting, likening it to the 419 Nigerian scams of a few years ago. >> Several pointers to the fakery ? unusual and incorrect capitalisation, and if a genuine electronic transfer of funds, would be unaffected by Covid. Anyone sucked in by this is remarkably stupid, greedy, or both. >> >> Bah! Bumhug! (oops, meant Humbug!) >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: David Newbitt via Tech1 >> Sent: 29 January 2022 10:13 >> To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUNDRELEASE ORDER >> >> Apart from the usual welter of spelling mistakes and awkward phrasing plus the wild improbability of the content, this looks pretty good. >> >> Dave Newbitt >> >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 9:56 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Haven't seen one of these for a while........Fwd: FUND RELEASE ORDER >> >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: >> FUND RELEASE ORDER >> Date: >> Sat, 29 Jan 2022 01:35:58 -0800 >> From: >> Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills mailto:revchriswillie0009 at gmail.com >> Reply-To: >> mrsmariegorethmills5707 at gmail.com >> >> >> The World Economy has also been affected tremendously because many >> Government Institutions and private owned Companies have also been >> victimized by this unscrupulous elements of our Society at one time or >> the other. The United Nations in Collaboration with the IMF, USAID and >> the EU have therefore developed a Compensation Fund to cushion the >> effects of this Crime on those affected across all Nations. >> >> >> To this effect a total of $ 20Billion (USD) has been Deposited with >> the Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance UK in Partnership with the >> Federal Reserve Bank of New York for onward Payment to the short >> listed Scam Victims whose names appeared on the a comprehensive list >> jointly complied and submitted by the FBI and INTERPOL through >> information extracted from arrested Internet Fraudsters who are >> currently serving various jail terms in Prison facilities Worldwide. >> >> >> Hallmark Federal Credit Union / Finance is selected as the Paying Bank >> after a long and thorough Scrutiny of their history, Transparency and >> diligence in handling cases of this nature which Ranks above all other >> Competing Banks. >> >> You are receiving this email because you are one of those whose name >> appeared on the "Scam Victims" list and shortlisted for the first >> phase of Payment which was planned to commence in January 2020 but due >> suspended due to the COVID19 Pandemic, however, payment has now fully >> resumed. Furthermore, you are entitled to $ 5Million United States >> Dollars only not withstanding how much you lost fraudulently. >> >> Your Prompt response to this email for contact of details of Mr. >> Fredrick Peters the Foreign Remittance DIRECTOR of the Hallmark >> Federal Credit Union / Finance UK for further guidance and assistance >> on how to access your compensation which will be effected by the bank >> using Online Wire Transfer Method. >> >> Kindly ignore if you got this email by error. NB: Do not hesitate to >> Render any Information that can lead to the Arrest of more of this >> Fraudsters and you can also feel free to share Information of fellow >> Scam Victims with us so we can also reach out to them. >> >> Regards, >> Mrs. Marie Goreth Mills >> UN/IMF Representative >> Scam Victims / Social Welfare >> <9FB47506687949D0AA56D4C346A95607.png> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <9FB47506687949D0AA56D4C346A95607.png>-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Jan 29 06:00:00 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:00:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Colin McCormick at video99 Message-ID: <0fe5fa97-206b-7cd9-3f6b-3faf5efdabf4@btinternet.com> Colin was recommended to me on here to to digitise a U-Matic. The content was a fun video I (and much of the Thames sound department) made of a day out to Margate. Made on an early single tube domestic colour camera, and Philips V2000. Like these things do, it escalated, and everyone sought out to add to it. Even had specially written and recorded background music.? Ended up being transferred to 1" C-format so it could have captions added, and dubbed. VTR then ran off copies on VHS for everyone who wanted one. The good ol' days. They also made a couple of U-Matic copies, which I have here (and the 1" edit master) My VHS copy got chewed up. Managed to transfer what was left of it to DVD at home - but bits obviously missing. Got a plea for a copy from the widow of one who featured in it. So the obvious way was to get a U-Matic digitised. Colin at video99 provided a superb and quick service. He uploads the digitized version to a hosting site which you download when it suits you. However, there appeared to be a problem with the U-matic. Results were peak white crushed - and indeed it all rather 'sat up' compared to my DVD of the VHS. Colin had a play and reduced the luma gain. A big improvement. All for no extra charge - and the price was to me very reasonable anyway. It is so rare to get such superb service these days that I thought it worthwhile mentioning it. Since I have the !", I'm wondering about having that pro graded shot by shot. ? Except for the costs, of course.? Not having kept up with PC based editing, did wonder if it's something that could be done at home? From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Jan 29 06:20:27 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:20:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Colin McCormick at video99 In-Reply-To: <0fe5fa97-206b-7cd9-3f6b-3faf5efdabf4@btinternet.com> References: <0fe5fa97-206b-7cd9-3f6b-3faf5efdabf4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Davinci Resolve is free, and an industry standard B On Sat, 29 Jan 2022, 12:00 Dave Plowman via Tech1, wrote: > Colin was recommended to me on here to to digitise a U-Matic. > > The content was a fun video I (and much of the Thames sound department) > made of a day out to Margate. Made on an early single tube domestic > colour camera, and Philips V2000. Like these things do, it escalated, > and everyone sought out to add to it. Even had specially written and > recorded background music. Ended up being transferred to 1" C-format so > it could have captions added, and dubbed. VTR then ran off copies on VHS > for everyone who wanted one. The good ol' days. They also made a couple > of U-Matic copies, which I have here (and the 1" edit master) > > My VHS copy got chewed up. Managed to transfer what was left of it to > DVD at home - but bits obviously missing. > > Got a plea for a copy from the widow of one who featured in it. > > So the obvious way was to get a U-Matic digitised. > > Colin at video99 provided a superb and quick service. He uploads the > digitized version to a hosting site which you download when it suits you. > > However, there appeared to be a problem with the U-matic. Results were > peak white crushed - and indeed it all rather 'sat up' compared to my > DVD of the VHS. > > Colin had a play and reduced the luma gain. A big improvement. All for > no extra charge - and the price was to me very reasonable anyway. > > It is so rare to get such superb service these days that I thought it > worthwhile mentioning it. > > Since I have the !", I'm wondering about having that pro graded shot by > shot. ? Except for the costs, of course. Not having kept up with PC > based editing, did wonder if it's something that could be done at home? > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Jan 29 09:25:14 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 15:25:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Colin McCormick at video99 In-Reply-To: References: <0fe5fa97-206b-7cd9-3f6b-3faf5efdabf4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I've downloaded it and will give it a try. The one I used here is Pinnacle, but that paid for version only works on XP, and never got round to upgrade it. Resolve looks like a steep learning curve. On 29/01/2022 12:20, Bernard Newnham wrote: > Davinci Resolve is free, and an industry standard > > B > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2022, 12:00 Dave Plowman via Tech1, > wrote: > > Colin was recommended to me on here to to digitise a U-Matic. > > The content was a fun video I (and much of the Thames sound > department) > made of a day out to Margate. Made on an early single tube domestic > colour camera, and Philips V2000. Like these things do, it escalated, > and everyone sought out to add to it. Even had specially written and > recorded background music.? Ended up being transferred to 1" > C-format so > it could have captions added, and dubbed. VTR then ran off copies > on VHS > for everyone who wanted one. The good ol' days. They also made a > couple > of U-Matic copies, which I have here (and the 1" edit master) > > My VHS copy got chewed up. Managed to transfer what was left of it to > DVD at home - but bits obviously missing. > > Got a plea for a copy from the widow of one who featured in it. > > So the obvious way was to get a U-Matic digitised. > > Colin at video99 provided a superb and quick service. He uploads the > digitized version to a hosting site which you download when it > suits you. > > However, there appeared to be a problem with the U-matic. Results > were > peak white crushed - and indeed it all rather 'sat up' compared to my > DVD of the VHS. > > Colin had a play and reduced the luma gain. A big improvement. All > for > no extra charge - and the price was to me very reasonable anyway. > > It is so rare to get such superb service these days that I thought it > worthwhile mentioning it. > > Since I have the !", I'm wondering about having that pro graded > shot by > shot. ? Except for the costs, of course.? Not having kept up with PC > based editing, did wonder if it's something that could be done at > home? > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Jan 29 10:19:43 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:19:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Colin McCormick at video99 In-Reply-To: References: <0fe5fa97-206b-7cd9-3f6b-3faf5efdabf4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7e1dc027-faeb-f769-9c58-7818f2d18d85@gmail.com> Yes, DVR can have steep learning curves, but there are lots and lots of tutorials, of varying quality. If someone has their hat on back to front, ditch immediately. The Color page official beginners tutorial is here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrEcXbET1Y4 This chap is useful - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SIxbKrZvf0 My U3A students are all using DVR, and we tend to like Casey Faris - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjRPZSNh2zs Apple once advertised "A $50,000 editor for $500" , and it was true, so after a few years they EOLed it.?? Blackmagic do a $50,000 colour corrector, editor, compositor, and DAW for free. It runs on Windows, Linux and MacOS,? so get it now before it goes away. B On 29/01/2022 15:25, Dave Plowman wrote: > > I've downloaded it and will give it a try. The one I used here is > Pinnacle, but that paid for version only works on XP, and never got > round to upgrade it. Resolve looks like a steep learning curve. > > On 29/01/2022 12:20, Bernard Newnham wrote: >> Davinci Resolve is free, and an industry standard >> >> B >> >> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022, 12:00 Dave Plowman via Tech1, >> wrote: >> >> Colin was recommended to me on here to to digitise a U-Matic. >> >> The content was a fun video I (and much of the Thames sound >> department) >> made of a day out to Margate. Made on an early single tube domestic >> colour camera, and Philips V2000. Like these things do, it >> escalated, >> and everyone sought out to add to it. Even had specially written and >> recorded background music.? Ended up being transferred to 1" >> C-format so >> it could have captions added, and dubbed. VTR then ran off copies >> on VHS >> for everyone who wanted one. The good ol' days. They also made a >> couple >> of U-Matic copies, which I have here (and the 1" edit master) >> >> My VHS copy got chewed up. Managed to transfer what was left of >> it to >> DVD at home - but bits obviously missing. >> >> Got a plea for a copy from the widow of one who featured in it. >> >> So the obvious way was to get a U-Matic digitised. >> >> Colin at video99 provided a superb and quick service. He uploads the >> digitized version to a hosting site which you download when it >> suits you. >> >> However, there appeared to be a problem with the U-matic. Results >> were >> peak white crushed - and indeed it all rather 'sat up' compared >> to my >> DVD of the VHS. >> >> Colin had a play and reduced the luma gain. A big improvement. >> All for >> no extra charge - and the price was to me very reasonable anyway. >> >> It is so rare to get such superb service these days that I >> thought it >> worthwhile mentioning it. >> >> Since I have the !", I'm wondering about having that pro graded >> shot by >> shot. ? Except for the costs, of course.? Not having kept up >> with PC >> based editing, did wonder if it's something that could be done at >> home? >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 02:44:50 2022 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 08:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Photoshop, or...... References: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> ?Lads, can anyone give me a suggestion?I usually use Photoshop for my photographic needs, but am loath to have to pay over ?20 a month to do so. ?My uses are pretty basic - cropping, dirt removal, colour correction and resizing is just about all I use it for. ? Would anyone have any suggestions for an alternative programme that would do all these things, but that might be free to download? ? Thanks in advance for your replies.Gary C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 30 03:13:42 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (David Mundy) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:13:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Photoshop, or...... In-Reply-To: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> References: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2489a222-e677-6e03-e92d-987a77f83712@btinternet.com> IRFANVIEW! It's free and it does all I need, and more. Give it a try at least, - www.irfanview.com - main program plus it's plug-ins. Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 30 03:14:53 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:14:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Photoshop, or...... In-Reply-To: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> References: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For almost as long as I can remember I?ve used Corel Paintshop Pro. It?s easy to use and does just about everything you?re likely to want. You buy it, not rent it, and you don?t need to go on a course to learn how to use it. I had use of the Photoshop Student Edition (*) when daughter was at Uni, and the advantage of the more intuitive Paintshop Pro was obvious to both of us. But Photoshop is of course the Pro-Industry standard. (* full version, but license valid only for the time she was at Uni. Bait to lure her into a lifetime of rental!) Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 On 30 Jan 2022, at 08:45, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: ? Lads, can anyone give me a suggestion? I usually use Photoshop for my photographic needs, but am loath to have to pay over ?20 a month to do so. My uses are pretty basic - cropping, dirt removal, colour correction and resizing is just about all I use it for. Would anyone have any suggestions for an alternative programme that would do all these things, but that might be free to download? Thanks in advance for your replies. Gary C -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Jan 30 03:35:52 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:35:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Photoshop, or...... In-Reply-To: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> References: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E57F6D1-406B-4F74-8CA6-D72C0442748B@icloud.com> Photoshop Elements is a lot cheaper, a one off payment, and I find it very good for just the sort of things you want to do. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Jan 2022, at 08:44, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > > Lads, can anyone give me a suggestion? > I usually use Photoshop for my photographic needs, but am loath to have to pay over ?20 a month to do so. > > My uses are pretty basic - cropping, dirt removal, colour correction and resizing is just about all I use it for. > > Would anyone have any suggestions for an alternative programme that would do all these things, but that might be free to download? > > Thanks in advance for your replies. > Gary C > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 04:00:18 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 10:00:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Photoshop, or...... In-Reply-To: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> References: <28439334.5533937.1643532290604.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <28439334.5533937.1643532290604@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Affinity Photo - one off payment https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/ Gimp - free https://www.gimp.org/ Krita - free https://krita.org/en/ Photo Pos Pro - haven't tried this one https://www.photopos.com/PPP3_BS/ B On 30/01/2022 08:44, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > ?Lads, can anyone give me a suggestion? > I usually use Photoshop for my photographic needs, but am loath to > have to pay over ?20 a month to do so. > > ?My uses are pretty basic - cropping, dirt removal, colour correction > and resizing is just about all I use it for. > > ? Would anyone have any suggestions for an alternative programme that > would do all these things, but that might be free to download? > > ? Thanks in advance for your replies. > Gary C > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 30 05:23:19 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:23:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Colin McCormick at video99 In-Reply-To: <0fe5fa97-206b-7cd9-3f6b-3faf5efdabf4@btinternet.com> References: <0fe5fa97-206b-7cd9-3f6b-3faf5efdabf4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Rather than just reducing the luminance gain, gamma correction might be something to try. Your Trinicon camera would have had an anything but linear gamma curve. I?m sure we all remember dozing off during Evesham lectures about that! When restoring old stills (B&W negs, faded print scans, and transparencies) the Paintshop gamma adjustment tool is the first thing I go to. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > On 29 Jan 2022, at 12:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > [snip] > Colin had a play and reduced the luma gain. A big improvement. All for no extra charge - and the price was to me very etc. From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 30 05:41:45 2022 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:41:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Colin McCormick at video99 In-Reply-To: References: <0fe5fa97-206b-7cd9-3f6b-3faf5efdabf4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The original pics were in general pretty good for what they were. I'd be happy just to get back as close as possible to that. Problem being it went through many generations. Not something analogue video tape does well. Especially when not having their line up etc checked by a pro. ? If I still had the original field tapes and the means to play them, I'd have a go at digitizing them at home and dropping them in, where easy.? But it was likely 20 years before I had the facilities to do this at home. On 30/01/2022 11:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Rather than just reducing the luminance gain, gamma correction might be something to try. Your Trinicon camera would have had an anything but linear gamma curve. I?m sure we all remember dozing off during Evesham lectures about that! > When restoring old stills (B&W negs, faded print scans, and transparencies) the Paintshop gamma adjustment tool is the first thing I go to. > Cheers, > N. > > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6 07802-246088 > >> On 29 Jan 2022, at 12:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> [snip] >> Colin had a play and reduced the luma gain. A big improvement. All for no extra charge - and the price was to me very etc. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 30 11:42:06 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 17:42:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Colin White In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <727e464d-8edc-fb51-b027-afdf07c3d5cf@btinternet.com> How sad, one of the GREAT sound managers we we lucky to have in London OBs. RIP, Colin. In sadness, Dave On 30/01/2022 20:36, Telobians wrote: > > Dear Dave, > > ??? 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Colin was also instrumental in getting me to try drama work, which I initially had no interest in doing and was reluctant to even try, but it turned out to be something which greatly appealed to me once I was cajoled into doing it. He was greatly amused when I returned to base after my first one and asked to do more drama work. When I did my first a Sypher dub, I really struggled on day one and felt that I would never get the hang of it. I phoned Colin at home quite late that night and he really encouraged me, giving me the support I needed to feel confident doing that work. Before long I was feeling that the Sypher dubs were the best part of doing dramas. After I left the Beeb, Colin made a point of seeking me out and we spent a brilliant afternoon together. The last time I met him was when I bumped into him in a west country restaurant, which was a lovely surprise. 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In sadness, Dave >> >>> On 30/01/2022 20:36, Telobians wrote: >>> Dear Dave, >>> >>> We have learned of the passing of Colin White, ex Sound Manager at Kendal Avenue, from a Sandy Tristem via John Caulfield who posted the following: >>> >>> ?Hi all, it is with great sadness that I have to tell you of the passing of Colin White. >>> He came to Bristol around 1960 as a sound man and I used to travel to many OB?s with him. >>> He went on to work in London and Wales. >>> I spoke to his daughter Billie last night and she told me he died peacefully at home. >>> The funeral will be family only. His wife Joy is in a care home.? >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Dave Hume >>> Telobians Organiser >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What a huge orchestra, two harps, two grand pianos, and full woodwind and brass sections. > This was a result of John painstakingly recreating the scores after the MGM music library was bulldozed to make a car park! > Clive Anderson was presenting and unfortunately trod on the opening notes of several numbers. > Andy Payne got a full name credit ? and rightly so. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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