From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Aug 1 08:56:42 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 14:56:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time Message-ID: Time for another rant, maybe? Having watched 'Room 101' (OK another repeat - that's another rantable complaint!) I would be interested in hearing about folks' annoyances. To start this off: * Tear strips on packaging? which give up halfway through. * Sealed Plastic covers on food trays that are difficult for 79 year old fingers! Do you remember the 'Tomorrows World' (I think) item where the 'inventor' of the Tetrapack was invited to open a carton of milk - it went everywhere! Let's have you Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Aug 1 09:29:45 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:29:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <980ad278-e162-e26e-a45b-f70019730ef2@davesound.co.uk> Good tools are the answer to most problems. The things which distinguish us from animals. A small sharp knife is the tool for these. With a device to sharpen it. On 01/08/2022 14:56, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Time for another rant, maybe? > > Having watched 'Room 101' (OK another repeat - that's another rantable > complaint!) > > I would be interested in hearing about folks' annoyances. > > To start this off: > > * Tear strips on packaging? which give up halfway through. > * Sealed Plastic covers on food trays that are difficult for 79 year > old fingers! > > > Do you remember the 'Tomorrows World' (I think) item where the > 'inventor' of the > Tetrapack was invited to open a carton of milk - it went everywhere! > > Let's have you > > Pat > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- Dave P London SW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Mon Aug 1 09:57:47 2022 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:57:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Aug 1 10:35:27 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 16:35:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <8ed7836e-43a4-7b71-92f3-4fe7f615d3df@davesound.co.uk> I have a smile when I see devices for removing jar lids. They seem to assume you have one very strong hand to stop the jar turning, and one weak one that the tool helps. Those I can't open wearing rubber gloves need a couple of strap wrenches. On 01/08/2022 15:57, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > Good points Pat. > > I'm sure when I met yoghurt pots in the 70s, the lids came off in one > go. I'm convinced the aluminium is much thinner now. > > For many years I have wanted to put the supermarkets together with the > packagers and watch the opening of their items. I struggle with seals > and I'm only 63! > With best wishes, > > Nick WAY >> On 01/08/2022 17:56 +04 Pat Heigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Time for another rant, maybe? >> >> Having watched 'Room 101' (OK another repeat - that's another >> rantable complaint!) >> >> I would be interested in hearing about folks' annoyances. >> >> To start this off: >> >> * Tear strips on packaging? which give up halfway through. >> * Sealed Plastic covers on food trays that are difficult for 79 >> year old fingers! >> >> Do you remember the 'Tomorrows World' (I think) item where the >> 'inventor' of the >> Tetrapack was invited to open a carton of milk - it went everywhere! >> >> Let's have you >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Dave P London SW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Aug 1 11:09:06 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 17:09:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> >> Time for another rant, maybe? >> Well rant, yes, because it can start a process off. But as inventive people we should really be able to solve many of these problems too. My wife suffers from a low level of arthritis in her wrist which gives her a weak grip with her thumbs. It is extremely common - the majority of (particularly) women over 50 are likely to get it to some degree. So she has endless problems gripping things tightly enough to unscrew, turn or slide them. To date I have made her (amongst other things) an oversize tin-opener handle, a domed extension for the catch on her secateurs, enlarged the slide switch on her hair dryer and handheld food whisk. I have produced a squeeze handle to open bleach containers, made a couple of extended door key handles, and printed off a tool to deal with ring pulls on tins of anchovies. Obviously it is also possible to buy quite a lot of ready-designed aids too, though you do have to choose them carefully. I never realised how hard it is to push tablets out of a foil pack if your thumbs are weak - there are some excellent tools to do this, and some terrible ones. The pressure needed to squeeze a garlic press can vary enormously with the design too, and there are some devices for the essential task of opening a bottle of fizz that work brilliantly. 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URL: From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com Mon Aug 1 12:55:27 2022 From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 17:55:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> Being mostly off alcohol 'cos of my heart, I have discovered a local speciality replacement for champagne: Adnams LA Blush: https://adnams.co.uk/products/750ml-adn-blush-kombuchaadnams-la-brewery-collab?variant=40509081419955¤cy=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjKzVwIym-QIVygMGAB1dNAhIEAQYASABEgL55vD_BwE Trouble is, I couldn't shift the champagne style cork. Then I found my old nut crackers in the drawer. They work a treat: a couple of twists & out it pops - loudly! John Nottage On 01/08/2022 16:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > >>> Time for another rant, maybe? >>> > Well rant, yes, because it can start a process off. But as inventive > people we should really be able to solve many of these problems too. > > My wife suffers from a low level of arthritis in her wrist which gives > her a weak grip with her thumbs. It is extremely common - the majority > of (particularly) women over 50 are likely to get it to some degree. So > she has endless problems gripping things tightly enough to unscrew, turn > or slide them. > > To date I have made her (amongst other things) an oversize tin-opener > handle, a domed extension for the catch on her secateurs, enlarged the > slide switch on her hair dryer and handheld food whisk. I have produced > a squeeze handle to open bleach containers, made a couple of extended > door key handles, and printed off a tool to deal with ring pulls on tins > of anchovies. > > Obviously it is also possible to buy quite a lot of ready-designed aids > too, though you do have to choose them carefully. I never realised how > hard it is to push tablets out of a foil pack if your thumbs are weak - > there are some excellent tools to do this, and some terrible ones. The > pressure needed to squeeze a garlic press can vary enormously with the > design too, and there are some devices for the essential task of opening > a bottle of fizz that work brilliantly. > > It does seem to be an area where there is some quite badly thought > through design... or perhaps it is because older people with minor, > though still very awkward, disabilities don't rant enough. > > Chris Woolf > > > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Aug 1 13:28:36 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:28:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> I did not know this: When opening a bottle of champagne - yes, I can afford it occasionally, Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! Pat On 01/08/2022 18:55, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Being mostly off alcohol 'cos of my heart, I have discovered a local > speciality replacement for champagne: Adnams LA Blush: > > https://adnams.co.uk/products/750ml-adn-blush-kombuchaadnams-la-brewery-collab?variant=40509081419955¤cy=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjKzVwIym-QIVygMGAB1dNAhIEAQYASABEgL55vD_BwE > > > Trouble is, I couldn't shift the champagne style cork. Then I found my > old nut crackers in the drawer. They work a treat: a couple of twists > & out it pops - loudly! > > John Nottage > > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Aug 1 14:03:16 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:03:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> Message-ID: <0000A89A-C524-4E81-9AA5-92DC2FA2B593@icloud.com> Oh yes! ? Graeme Wall > On 1 Aug 2022, at 19:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I did not know this: > > When opening a bottle of champagne - yes, I can afford it occasionally, > > Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! > > Pat > > > On 01/08/2022 18:55, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> Being mostly off alcohol 'cos of my heart, I have discovered a local speciality replacement for champagne: Adnams LA Blush: >> >> https://adnams.co.uk/products/750ml-adn-blush-kombuchaadnams-la-brewery-collab?variant=40509081419955¤cy=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjKzVwIym-QIVygMGAB1dNAhIEAQYASABEgL55vD_BwE >> >> Trouble is, I couldn't shift the champagne style cork. Then I found my old nut crackers in the drawer. They work a treat: a couple of twists & out it pops - loudly! >> >> John Nottage >> >> >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 14:48:04 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:48:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <0000A89A-C524-4E81-9AA5-92DC2FA2B593@icloud.com> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> <0000A89A-C524-4E81-9AA5-92DC2FA2B593@icloud.com> Message-ID: One of the most important things I learned when I joined Presentation. B On 01/08/2022 20:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Oh yes! > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 1 Aug 2022, at 19:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I did not know this: >> >> When opening a bottle of champagne - yes, I can afford it occasionally, >> >> Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! >> >> Pat >> >> >> On 01/08/2022 18:55, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >>> Being mostly off alcohol 'cos of my heart, I have discovered a local speciality replacement for champagne: Adnams LA Blush: >>> >>> https://adnams.co.uk/products/750ml-adn-blush-kombuchaadnams-la-brewery-collab?variant=40509081419955¤cy=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjKzVwIym-QIVygMGAB1dNAhIEAQYASABEgL55vD_BwE >>> >>> Trouble is, I couldn't shift the champagne style cork. Then I found my old nut crackers in the drawer. They work a treat: a couple of twists & out it pops - loudly! >>> >>> John Nottage >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Aug 1 15:12:48 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 21:12:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99B18CE1-E9DB-4EEA-89D7-1B22F312C1D8@me.com> I think we all know that it?s considered uncouth to explosively pop the cork from a bottle of champagne. John Arlott eloquently explained how you should gradually reduce the pressure in a controlled fashion until you are able to remove the cork ?making no more noise than when withdrawing from a well satisfied woman?. Alan > On 1 Aug 2022, at 20:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? One of the most important things I learned when I joined Presentation. > > B > > > > On 01/08/2022 20:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> Oh yes! >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 1 Aug 2022, at 19:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> I did not know this: >>>> >>>> When opening a bottle of champagne - yes, I can afford it occasionally, >>>> >>>> Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> On 01/08/2022 18:55, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Being mostly off alcohol 'cos of my heart, I have discovered a local speciality replacement for champagne: Adnams LA Blush: >>>> >>>> https://adnams.co.uk/products/750ml-adn-blush-kombuchaadnams-la-brewery-collab?variant=40509081419955¤cy=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjKzVwIym-QIVygMGAB1dNAhIEAQYASABEgL55vD_BwE >>>> >>>> Trouble is, I couldn't shift the champagne style cork. Then I found my old nut crackers in the drawer. They work a treat: a couple of twists & out it pops - loudly! >>>> >>>> John Nottage >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Aug 1 15:32:24 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 21:32:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <99B18CE1-E9DB-4EEA-89D7-1B22F312C1D8@me.com> References: <99B18CE1-E9DB-4EEA-89D7-1B22F312C1D8@me.com> Message-ID: Now there's a thought! Has anyone ever satisfied a woman? Sorry to hear about your ticker John, I blame Colin White's leaving party for the stress we all suffered. My favourite hates are the labels on meat joints which say 'peel here' for instructions and never work for me! There are actually 4 layers to them and of the 8 surfaces only 4 and 5 have the instructions on so I end up using a bright light and reading them backwards! Cheers, Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jccglass at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 23:03:17 2022 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on GMail) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:03:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <99B18CE1-E9DB-4EEA-89D7-1B22F312C1D8@me.com> References: <99B18CE1-E9DB-4EEA-89D7-1B22F312C1D8@me.com> Message-ID: finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south hhmm is that leveling up-or down chris From waresound at msn.com Tue Aug 2 03:57:06 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:57:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time Message-ID: ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). Cheers, Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: > ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant > > being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south > > hhmm is that leveling up-or down > > > chris > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Aug 2 04:23:01 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:23:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> Message-ID: On 01/08/2022 19:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > ...... > > Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! > > Oh Pat!? You are living in Einstein's relativistic world nowadays - it depends entirely which your plane of reference is, as to which is twisting and which is standing still. Chris W From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 2 05:40:17 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 11:40:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> Message-ID: <5010f48a-aa70-9aca-e002-e6dae4e8bac1@amps.net> The twist bottle technique was told to me by a woman with the irritating habit of knowing everything about everything! I suppose the twisting of the bottle gives more torque, like using a long shaft screwdriver on a difficult screw. (satisfaction here, Alan?) There is the method of using a sword: *Sabrage /s??br???/ is a technique for opening a champagne bottle with a saber*, used for ceremonial occasions. The wielder slides the saber along the body seam of the bottle to the lip to break the top of the neck away, leaving the neck of the bottle open and ready to pour. However a friend's son misjudged it and the top of the bottle broke jaggedly. To stop wasting the fizz, said son stuck his finger on the neck, cutting himself and bleeding - so they had pink champagne! The Camel Valley vineyard near Bodmin produces an excellent fizz, using methode champenoise which is giving the French producers severe competition. The vineyard tour used to be ?5, which included a glass of wine - if you wanted to sample the fizz, that was an extra 50p which went to the Cornwall & Devon Air ambulance, a very worthy cause. It's possible to reach it with a ride on the Bodmin & Wenford steam railway. https://www.camelvalley.com/tours https://bodminrailway.co.uk/plan-your-visit/timetables-and-fares/ Pat On 02/08/2022 10:23, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > On 01/08/2022 19:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> ...... >> >> Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! >> >> > Oh Pat!? You are living in Einstein's relativistic world nowadays - it > depends entirely which your plane of reference is, as to which is > twisting and which is standing still. > > Chris W > > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Aug 2 05:56:50 2022 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 11:56:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Re: moving water about the country... It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross'? a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > > ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. > But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. > Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? > > By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! > It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). > Cheers, > Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >> >> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >> >> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >> >> >> chris >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Aug 2 06:02:01 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 12:02:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <5010f48a-aa70-9aca-e002-e6dae4e8bac1@amps.net> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> <5010f48a-aa70-9aca-e002-e6dae4e8bac1@amps.net> Message-ID: <1F2A042C-1FC5-48A2-96EF-8C1EE2FE8BB0@icloud.com> A point of order, Camel Valley use the methode Merritt! allegedley invented some yeras befre Dom Perignon had his bright idea. ? Graeme Wall > On 2 Aug 2022, at 11:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > The twist bottle technique was told to me by a woman with the irritating habit of knowing everything about everything! > > I suppose the twisting of the bottle gives more torque, like using a long shaft screwdriver on a difficult screw. (satisfaction here, Alan?) > > There is the method of using a sword: > > Sabrage /s??br???/ is a technique for opening a champagne bottle with a saber, used for ceremonial occasions. The wielder slides the saber along the body seam of the bottle to the lip to break the top of the neck away, leaving the neck of the bottle open and ready to pour. > > However a friend's son misjudged it and the top of the bottle broke jaggedly. To stop wasting the fizz, said son stuck his finger on the neck, cutting himself and bleeding - so they had pink champagne! > > The Camel Valley vineyard near Bodmin produces an excellent fizz, using methode champenoise which is giving the French producers severe competition. > The vineyard tour used to be ?5, which included a glass of wine - if you wanted to sample the fizz, that was an extra 50p which went to the Cornwall & Devon Air ambulance, a very worthy cause. > It's possible to reach it with a ride on the Bodmin & Wenford steam railway. > https://www.camelvalley.com/tours > https://bodminrailway.co.uk/plan-your-visit/timetables-and-fares/ > > Pat > > On 02/08/2022 10:23, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> On 01/08/2022 19:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> ...... >>> >>> Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! >>> >>> >> Oh Pat! You are living in Einstein's relativistic world nowadays - it depends entirely which your plane of reference is, as to which is twisting and which is standing still. >> >> Chris W >> >> >> > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Aug 2 06:04:08 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 12:04:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On the subject of broken glass, some glass making processes rely on the addition of cullet (broken glass) for more effective production. ? Graeme Wall > On 2 Aug 2022, at 11:56, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Re: moving water about the country... > > It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. > > The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. > > As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. > > On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. > > On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. > > We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). > > Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. > > I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. >> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. >> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? >> >> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >> Cheers, >> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>> >>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >>> >>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>> >>> >>> chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 2 06:23:17 2022 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 12:23:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles Message-ID: Hi All, Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at home a few days ago. More details later but as he had no descendants it may be some time before things are sorted. Seen here on his last day at the BBC. Regards, Barry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Martin in TC5.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 882360 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Aug 2 06:43:21 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 12:43:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <063ac951-8078-d443-4f70-74983760ed86@davesound.co.uk> Now there's a challenge. What uses more energy? Transporting water by tanker (from the nearest place that has excess) or desalination of sea water? On 02/08/2022 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. > But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. > Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? > > By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! > It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). > Cheers, > Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >> >> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >> >> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >> >> >> chris >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Dave P London SW From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Aug 2 07:03:15 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 13:03:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <927cc69e-c9f7-54b7-2622-3281f9112cb1@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 02/08/2022 12:04, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > ... Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, Dear boy, you clearly don't drink enough! There are a minimum of a couple of dozen different classes of bottle alone. There are the dark versions and pale ones, depending on the risk of light on the wine. Reinforced bottles for petillant wine and for full fizz. Ones with punts to hold a sediment, ones with different shoulder slopes (and possibly a bulbous necks) to assist pouring /if /there is a sediment. That's besides the desire for many wine producers to keep special shaped, and sometimes stamped, versions to differentiate their product. I agree that the packaging industry has a big problem, but I'm not sure the solution is simple. Chris W -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ones with punts to hold a sediment, ones with different shoulder slopes (and possibly a bulbous necks) to assist pouring if there is a sediment. That's besides the desire for many wine producers to keep special shaped, and sometimes stamped, versions to differentiate their product. > > I agree that the packaging industry has a big problem, but I'm not sure the solution is simple. > > Chris W > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Aug 2 07:18:04 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 12:18:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <5010f48a-aa70-9aca-e002-e6dae4e8bac1@amps.net> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> <5010f48a-aa70-9aca-e002-e6dae4e8bac1@amps.net> Message-ID: The length of a screwdriver doesn?t determine the amount of torque. The diameter of the handle might (think gear ratios, though obviously there are no actual gears in a screwdriver) and by also giving a better grip, more rotational force. The length of a spanner would determine torque, whereas the thickness of its handle wouldn?t. The only time I would look for a longer screwdriver would be to get the lid of a tin of paint, but then of course you?re using it as a class 1 lever. Easing the cork up with the thumb applies leverage, not torque. Bearing in mind that the pressure in your champagne is twice that in your car tyres (we were told), the more controllable the leverage the better and the gentler the pressure release. But if you must twist the bottle, your lady-friend?s advice would be right if the cork was held in a vice, which in my experience is not often the case! (Sabre). Cheers, hic, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad On 2 Aug 2022, at 11:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: ? The twist bottle technique was told to me by a woman with the irritating habit of knowing everything about everything! I suppose the twisting of the bottle gives more torque, like using a long shaft screwdriver on a difficult screw. (satisfaction here, Alan?) There is the method of using a sword: Sabrage /s??br???/ is a technique for opening a champagne bottle with a saber, used for ceremonial occasions. The wielder slides the saber along the body seam of the bottle to the lip to break the top of the neck away, leaving the neck of the bottle open and ready to pour. However a friend's son misjudged it and the top of the bottle broke jaggedly. To stop wasting the fizz, said son stuck his finger on the neck, cutting himself and bleeding - so they had pink champagne! The Camel Valley vineyard near Bodmin produces an excellent fizz, using methode champenoise which is giving the French producers severe competition. The vineyard tour used to be ?5, which included a glass of wine - if you wanted to sample the fizz, that was an extra 50p which went to the Cornwall & Devon Air ambulance, a very worthy cause. It's possible to reach it with a ride on the Bodmin & Wenford steam railway. https://www.camelvalley.com/tours https://bodminrailway.co.uk/plan-your-visit/timetables-and-fares/ Pat On 02/08/2022 10:23, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: On 01/08/2022 19:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: ...... Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! Oh Pat! You are living in Einstein's relativistic world nowadays - it depends entirely which your plane of reference is, as to which is twisting and which is standing still. Chris W ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Aug 2 08:36:58 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 14:36:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? Dave Newbitt. From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM To: Nick Ware Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time Re: moving water about the country... It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). Cheers, Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south hhmm is that leveling up-or down chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Aug 2 08:43:05 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 14:43:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?35 pa in Guildford, emptied fortnightly. It was the same when i lived in Southampton. ? Graeme Wall > On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. > > On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM > To: Nick Ware > Cc: Tech Ops List > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time > > Re: moving water about the country... > > It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. > > The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. > > As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. > > On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. > > On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. > > We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). > > Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. > > I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. >> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. >> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? >> >> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >> Cheers, >> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>> >>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >>> >>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>> >>> >>> chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Aug 2 08:46:32 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 14:46:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8dcc6113-8549-9094-3d96-3a3f5df4c65d@davesound.co.uk> Here, you can put out 6 large rubbish sacks of garden waste at each weekly collection. On 02/08/2022 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and > interesting to read. > On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much > variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been > here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time > garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for > the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). > What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any > freebies anywhere? > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM > *To:* Nick Ware > *Cc:* Tech Ops List > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Rant time > Re: moving water about the country... > It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the > idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' > a plan to join the great > rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. > The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy > of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River > Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the > infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is > becoming prohibitive. > As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive > due to the cost of processing the spoil.? This is because of the > concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of > past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like > fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be > true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. > On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, > makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power > source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to > change in the forseeable. > On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined > forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for > garden waste. > We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some > fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). > Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are > happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. > I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the > height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly > uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with > water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing > something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about > embedded energy?? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, > back in the day. > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* > / > > > > > > > > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s >> length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. >> The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. >> So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of >> the time. >> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be >> giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil >> fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more >> likely, China, etc. >> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this >> country? >> >> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you >> prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have >> precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the >> guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three >> plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly >> comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >> Cheers, >> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>> >>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to >>> the south >>> >>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>> >>> >>> chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Dave P London SW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Tue Aug 2 09:21:42 2022 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 15:21:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90902DB1-B706-4852-9008-C1D69172CA03@icloud.com> Free in Pinner!! Garden waste, recycling and normal waste all collected every week. Graham Maunder > On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:43, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?35 pa in Guildford, emptied fortnightly. It was the same when i lived in Southampton. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. >> >> On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM >> To: Nick Ware >> Cc: Tech Ops List >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time >> >> Re: moving water about the country... >> >> It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. >> >> The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. >> >> As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. >> >> On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. >> >> On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. >> >> We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). >> >> Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. >> >> I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. >>> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. >>> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? >>> >>> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >>> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>>> >>>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >>>> >>>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>>> >>>> >>>> chris >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Aug 2 09:40:59 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 15:40:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34405E74-AC65-4703-A718-7D05E8AE76C0@me.com> Banbury (Cherwell ) introduced a ?40 pa fee for garden waste this year, previously there was no charge. Coincidentally we?re now seeing a lot of fly tipping of garden waste in the side of the lanes around here. My gripe with kerbside recycling is that there is no nationally agreed colour code for the different recycling bins. When we have guests staying, they ?help? by chucking stuff in what they assume is the correct bin, but it?s different to where they live. Rather illogically our land fill goes in the green bin. Our kerbside recycling doesn?t accept glass, but other areas allow it to be mixed in with the cardboard and plastic. We can leave dead batteries in a bag on top of any bin, but where my daughter lives, they have to be recycled in a shop. Similarly we can leave small appliances on top of the bins, but you can?t do that in other areas. I think that there should be a government initiative to specify which colour each bin should be. New bins will then be issued in the agreed colours and existing bins could have a sticker saying that this bin identifies as a purple bin or whatever. Alan > On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:43, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ??35 pa in Guildford, emptied fortnightly. It was the same when i lived in Southampton. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. >> >> On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM >> To: Nick Ware >> Cc: Tech Ops List >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time >> >> Re: moving water about the country... >> >> It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. >> >> The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. >> >> As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. >> >> On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. >> >> On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. >> >> We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). >> >> Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. >> >> I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. >>> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. >>> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? >>> >>> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >>> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>>> >>>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >>>> >>>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>>> >>>> >>>> chris >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com Tue Aug 2 10:43:13 2022 From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 15:43:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7bac9e77-a107-de22-55bf-8413ad4311ec@googlemail.com> On 02/08/2022 08:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. That's OK if you can shift the cork at all. These bottles, the cork wouldn't budge at all, even a millimetre. I had to resort to the nut crackers. John I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! > It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). > Cheers, > Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >> >> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >> >> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >> >> >> chris >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Aug 2 09:57:55 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 15:57:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <90902DB1-B706-4852-9008-C1D69172CA03@icloud.com> References: <90902DB1-B706-4852-9008-C1D69172CA03@icloud.com> Message-ID: <54D73C5A312846B49B3BA10934421EC0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Well done Pinner - as long as it's not finishing up in Ruislip Lido! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Maunder Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 3:21 PM To: Graeme Wall Cc: David Newbitt ; Nick Ware ; Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time Free in Pinner!! Garden waste, recycling and normal waste all collected every week. Graham Maunder > On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:43, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?35 pa in Guildford, emptied fortnightly. It was the same when i lived in > Southampton. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and >> interesting to read. >> >> On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much >> variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been >> here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden >> waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the >> standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a >> typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies >> anywhere? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM >> To: Nick Ware >> Cc: Tech Ops List >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time >> >> Re: moving water about the country... >> >> It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea >> of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the >> UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. >> >> The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of >> the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that >> the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, >> (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming >> prohibitive. >> >> As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due >> to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the >> concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past >> industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous >> asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of >> other industrial cities, although for different reasons. >> >> On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes >> boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of >> most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the >> forseeable. >> >> On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined >> forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden >> waste. >> >> We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some >> fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). >> >> Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are >> happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. >> >> I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the >> height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform >> and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble >> glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other >> than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a >> system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s >>> length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The >>> rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a >>> waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the >>> time. >>> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant >>> tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, >>> bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, >>> China, etc. >>> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this >>> country? >>> >>> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you >>> prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise >>> control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour >>> and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >>> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three >>> plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly >>> comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>>> >>>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the >>>> south >>>> >>>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>>> >>>> >>>> chris >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsnape at talktalk.net Tue Aug 2 10:06:50 2022 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:06:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6547349D-BEFA-4F0E-A065-7025B66F60C8@talktalk.net> In South Devon our recycling is collected weekly whilst the black (general rubbish) and brown (garden waste) bins are emptied on alternate weeks. The brown bin has become somewhat erratic however and tends to happen once a month. We pay nothing. South Hams District Council has been using a private contractor for the service but will revert to an in house operation this October due to the company?s inability to fulfil its contract. Hugh > On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. > > On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <> > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM > To: Nick Ware <> > Cc: Tech Ops List <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time > > Re: moving water about the country... > > It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. > > The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. > > As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. > > On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. > > On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. > > We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). > > Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. > > I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com <> > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> >> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. >> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. >> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? >> >> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >> Cheers, >> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 > wrote: >>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>> >>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >>> >>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>> >>> >>> chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 10:14:22 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:14:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here in Woking we have a black bin for rubbish, and a blue one for all recycling, alternate weeks. You can have a brown one for garden waste, but we have a big compost heap, and the local tip is quite close, so I don't know how much that costs.? We now have to have a sticker for the car window to get into the tip. B On 02/08/2022 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and > interesting to read. > On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much > variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been > here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time > garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for > the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). > What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any > freebies anywhere? > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM > *To:* Nick Ware > *Cc:* Tech Ops List > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Rant time > Re: moving water about the country... > It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the > idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' > a plan to join the great > rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. > The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy > of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River > Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the > infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is > becoming prohibitive. > As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive > due to the cost of processing the spoil.? This is because of the > concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of > past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like > fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be > true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. > On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, > makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power > source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to > change in the forseeable. > On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined > forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for > garden waste. > We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some > fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). > Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are > happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. > I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the > height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly > uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with > water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing > something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about > embedded energy?? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, > back in the day. > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* > / > > > > > > > > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s >> length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. >> The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. >> So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of >> the time. >> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be >> giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil >> fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more >> likely, China, etc. >> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this >> country? >> >> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you >> prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have >> precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the >> guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three >> plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly >> comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >> Cheers, >> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>> >>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to >>> the south >>> >>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>> >>> >>> chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Aug 2 10:24:38 2022 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:24:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <24DF4D97-66FE-478C-B955-06C493E217CD@talktalk.net> References: <927cc69e-c9f7-54b7-2622-3281f9112cb1@chriswoolf.co.uk> <24DF4D97-66FE-478C-B955-06C493E217CD@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <6189071B-D94D-4081-B138-BD0943668522@me.com> Chris et al - There may be several different types of bottle, but that doesn't detract from my basic premise that glass bottles should be stripped of labels and sanitised for re-use. Empties can be picked up when deliveries are made - it's just too much trouble for the suppliers, especially when the costs of disposal are picked up by the cash starved Local Authority. And I'm quite sure that supermarkets and chains like Majestic would be happy to co-operate, to burnish their Green credentials. JFK quoted in 1962 said - "We do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard." (I know he was talking about space exploration, but you get my drift). Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 2 Aug 2022, at 13:11, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: > > Dear boy, you clearly don't drink enough! > > ????? > > H > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 13:03, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 02/08/2022 12:04, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> ... Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, >> Dear boy, you clearly don't drink enough! There are a minimum of a couple of dozen different classes of bottle alone. >> >> There are the dark versions and pale ones, depending on the risk of light on the wine. Reinforced bottles for petillant wine and for full fizz. Ones with punts to hold a sediment, ones with different shoulder slopes (and possibly a bulbous necks) to assist pouring if there is a sediment. That's besides the desire for many wine producers to keep special shaped, and sometimes stamped, versions to differentiate their product. >> >> I agree that the packaging industry has a big problem, but I'm not sure the solution is simple. >> >> Chris W >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Tue Aug 2 10:29:48 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:29:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Aug 2 10:43:02 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 16:43:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <6547349D-BEFA-4F0E-A065-7025B66F60C8@talktalk.net> References: <6547349D-BEFA-4F0E-A065-7025B66F60C8@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <1270C9670AD64B8982F347BA658581A0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> So it?s well done the South Hams as well as Pinner. The Kingsbridge estuary is one of my all time favourite places. Very sad to read of the on-going problems with the clifftop fire at Bolberry Down; I gather it has been re-igniting on and off for over two months now. Lovely walking along the coast path from Salcombe to Hope Cove, such a shame to see it being spoiled. Dave Newbitt. From: Hugh Snape via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 4:06 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time In South Devon our recycling is collected weekly whilst the black (general rubbish) and brown (garden waste) bins are emptied on alternate weeks. The brown bin has become somewhat erratic however and tends to happen once a month. We pay nothing. South Hams District Council has been using a private contractor for the service but will revert to an in house operation this October due to the company?s inability to fulfil its contract. Hugh On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? Dave Newbitt. From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM To: Nick Ware Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time Re: moving water about the country... It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). Cheers, Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south hhmm is that leveling up-or down chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsnape at talktalk.net Tue Aug 2 11:32:45 2022 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:32:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <1270C9670AD64B8982F347BA658581A0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <6547349D-BEFA-4F0E-A065-7025B66F60C8@talktalk.net> <1270C9670AD64B8982F347BA658581A0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: After a couple of very drizzly mornings I think the fire?s pretty much out now Dave. We did have some rather hazy days in Kingsbridge when the smoke was blowing in from the coast though. Hugh > On 2 Aug 2022, at 16:43, David Newbitt wrote: > > So it?s well done the South Hams as well as Pinner. The Kingsbridge estuary is one of my all time favourite places. Very sad to read of the on-going problems with the clifftop fire at Bolberry Down; I gather it has been re-igniting on and off for over two months now. Lovely walking along the coast path from Salcombe to Hope Cove, such a shame to see it being spoiled. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Hugh Snape via Tech1 <> > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 4:06 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time > > In South Devon our recycling is collected weekly whilst the black (general rubbish) and brown (garden waste) bins are emptied on alternate weeks. The brown bin has become somewhat erratic however and tends to happen once a month. > > We pay nothing. > > South Hams District Council has been using a private contractor for the service but will revert to an in house operation this October due to the company?s inability to fulfil its contract. > > Hugh > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. >> >> On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM >> To: Nick Ware <> >> Cc: Tech Ops List <> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time >> >> Re: moving water about the country... >> >> It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. >> >> The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. >> >> As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. >> >> On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. >> >> On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. >> >> We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). >> >> Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. >> >> I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com <> >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> >>> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. >>> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. >>> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? >>> >>> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >>> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>>> >>>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >>>> >>>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>>> >>>> >>>> chris >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Aug 2 13:16:24 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 19:16:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] And another rant Message-ID: <7089abaa-478c-80c5-16ab-3c7e0421c298@davesound.co.uk> Think I mentioned the 'fun' I was having with TFL. I entered the ULEZ in my old Rover, and forgot about paying the charge until too late. My fault entirely. Didn't receive a PCN (which I was expecting and would have paid). But 2 months later, got a demand from TFL for ?240 or court proceedings. The fine would have been ?80 if paid within 14 days of receiving the PCN, or ?160 if before 28 days. I wrote (letter post) to TFL explaining I hadn't received the PCN. Their reply was effectively 'tough luck'. So on that very hot Tuesday, staying indoors in AC bliss, I wrote to my MP. First time ever. Including copies of all the correspondence with TFL. She, Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, was very helpful. Got an email from her today saying TFL had agreed to accept the original ?80. So went online to pay it. No chance - the PCN number would only allow ?240. She had also sent a PDF copy of the PCN I'd not received (same PCN number as the final demand) giving a phone number to pay. The auto announcement on that said they couldn't take payment by phone, and gave up waiting to speak to a human after 30 minutes or so. Which leaves payment by cheque or PO. Don't have any cheques left - I've not needed any for years. And queuing up at my local PO a real PITA - I haven't done that for years either. -- Dave P London SW From david.jasma at sky.com Tue Aug 2 13:38:20 2022 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 19:38:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant - rubbish collection! References: <06d98745-986d-e80f-96cd-c9fe345bdd4b.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <06d98745-986d-e80f-96cd-c9fe345bdd4b@sky.com> North of the border - Dumfries and Galloway - the local council introduced a three bin system last year. The original black bin remains for general waste, while a red top bin came in for cans/plastic bottles etc and tins, while a blue top bin is used for paper and cardboard. These are collected on a four week rota - black bin/red bin/black bin/blue bin etc. The only charge I know of is if you want to get rid of (say) an old sofa where you can book a collection from your house and pay (I think) about ?10 + VAT. For garden rubbish and building material you have to go a dump - similarly glass, metal and old technical equipment - basically anything that doesn't go into on of the three house bins. What is annoying though, is that you have to book a timed slot to visit any dump. This started in 2020 when the lurgy took hold. You go to the D&G council web site and find the site you want to visit. Click on it and you were (I say were but read on) given a calendar showing the dates available. Click on a date and you were shown the time slots (10 minutes) that were available. Select a time and you were booked in. However, last week, the council changed this and you have to fill in five pages of questions before you even get to date and time slot! I'm waiting for the 'what the hell' letters in the local paper! I'm surprised the council didn't even ask for your inside leg measurement as well! Overall the system works OK, but I did email the council on the why the booking system was still being used considering that the pandemic had finished. I pointed out that (say) I had done a lot of cutting back and had 15 sacks of garden waste and it was about 4pm and it would be useful to take the rubbish to the dump straight away. But a check shows that the next available slot was three days away and after that I wasn't able to get to the dump for another two days, so it would be at least five days before I could get rid of the rubbish bags which were cluttering up my garage! Unfortunately the appropriate department doesn't recognise sarcasm. The comment about possible reuse of wine bottles, nice idea but as it isn't possible to reuse jam jars due to an EU directive (something MPs were shocked to hear when it came out some years ago and an MP brought the matter up in the house), I doubt it. Of course as we are no longer in the EU, then hopefully things will change!! Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Aug 2 13:57:15 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 19:57:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] And another rant In-Reply-To: <7089abaa-478c-80c5-16ab-3c7e0421c298@davesound.co.uk> References: <7089abaa-478c-80c5-16ab-3c7e0421c298@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Oh dear Dave - I'm reminded of the sad old tale of "smile they said - things could be worse, so I smiled and things got worse". Next instalment please! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 7:16 PM To: TechOps Subject: [Tech1] And another rant Think I mentioned the 'fun' I was having with TFL. I entered the ULEZ in my old Rover, and forgot about paying the charge until too late. My fault entirely. Didn't receive a PCN (which I was expecting and would have paid). But 2 months later, got a demand from TFL for ?240 or court proceedings. The fine would have been ?80 if paid within 14 days of receiving the PCN, or ?160 if before 28 days. I wrote (letter post) to TFL explaining I hadn't received the PCN. Their reply was effectively 'tough luck'. So on that very hot Tuesday, staying indoors in AC bliss, I wrote to my MP. First time ever. Including copies of all the correspondence with TFL. She, Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, was very helpful. Got an email from her today saying TFL had agreed to accept the original ?80. So went online to pay it. No chance - the PCN number would only allow ?240. She had also sent a PDF copy of the PCN I'd not received (same PCN number as the final demand) giving a phone number to pay. The auto announcement on that said they couldn't take payment by phone, and gave up waiting to speak to a human after 30 minutes or so. Which leaves payment by cheque or PO. Don't have any cheques left - I've not needed any for years. And queuing up at my local PO a real PITA - I haven't done that for years either. -- Dave P London SW -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Aug 2 17:49:33 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 23:49:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant - rubbish collection! In-Reply-To: <06d98745-986d-e80f-96cd-c9fe345bdd4b@sky.com> References: <06d98745-986d-e80f-96cd-c9fe345bdd4b.ref@sky.com> <06d98745-986d-e80f-96cd-c9fe345bdd4b@sky.com> Message-ID: <92f739ff-82e8-dc15-fc20-455f610f1c3f@davesound.co.uk> Wandsworth introduced booked slots at their tip (sorry, waste transfer station) with the lurgy too. But actually very good, as it saves having to queue as you sometimes did before. But it's an odd system. To get in to the site, you drive along a single car width road the length of the site. And a sign stops you at the end. If it recognises your number plate as booked in, tells you to proceed. But since you can't turn round, they only way out is via the tip. Perhaps dogs chase you if you've not booked, and stop to unload. On 02/08/2022 19:38, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > North of the border - Dumfries and Galloway - the local council > introduced a three bin system last year. The original black bin > remains for general waste, while a red top bin came in for > cans/plastic bottles etc and tins, while a blue top bin is used for > paper and cardboard. These are collected on a four week rota - black > bin/red bin/black bin/blue bin etc. > > The only charge I know of is if you want to get rid of (say) an old > sofa where you can book a collection from your house and pay (I think) > about ?10 + VAT. > > For garden rubbish and building material you have to go a dump - > similarly glass, metal and old technical equipment - basically > anything that doesn't go into on of the three house bins. > > What is annoying though, is that you have to book a timed slot to > visit any dump. This started in 2020 when the lurgy took hold. You go > to the D&G council web site and find the site you want to visit. Click > on it and you were (I say were but read on) given a calendar showing > the dates available. Click on a date and you were shown the time slots > (10 minutes) that were available. Select a time and you were booked > in. However, last week, the council changed this and you have to fill > in five pages of questions before you even get to date and time slot! > I'm waiting for the 'what the hell' letters in the local paper! I'm > surprised the council didn't even ask for your inside leg measurement > as well! > > Overall the system works OK, but I did email the council on the why > the booking system was still being used considering that the pandemic > had finished. I pointed out that (say) I had done a lot of cutting > back and had 15 sacks of garden waste and it was about 4pm and it > would be useful to take the rubbish to the dump straight away. But a > check shows that the next available slot was three days away and after > that I wasn't able to get to the dump for another two days, so it > would be at least five days before I could get rid of the rubbish bags > which were cluttering up my garage! Unfortunately the appropriate > department doesn't recognise sarcasm. > > The comment about possible reuse of wine bottles, nice idea but as it > isn't possible to reuse jam jars due to an EU directive (something MPs > were shocked to hear when it came out some years ago and an MP brought > the matter up in the house), I doubt it. Of course as we are no longer > in the EU, then hopefully things will change!! > > Dave Buckley > -- Dave P London SW From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Aug 3 02:58:32 2022 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:58:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles Message-ID: <507EB4FA-6CFB-4A8C-AA2E-3786026B93D3@btinternet.com> (Second attempt to get this on the Tech Ops site) Hi All, Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at home a few days ago. More details later but as he had no descendants it may be some time before things are sorted. Seen here on his last day at the BBC. 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I only knew Martin smiling. > > Another wonderful colleague has moved on to the great gig in the sky. > > With best wishes, > > Nick WAY. >> On 03/08/2022 11:58 +04 Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> (Second attempt to get this on the Tech Ops site) >> >> Hi All, >> Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at home a few days ago. More details later but as he had no descendants it may be some time before things are sorted. >> >> Seen here on his last day at the BBC. >> >> Regards, >> Barry. >> >> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Martin Eccles TC5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 165031 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Aug 3 03:34:52 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:34:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <34405E74-AC65-4703-A718-7D05E8AE76C0@me.com> References: <34405E74-AC65-4703-A718-7D05E8AE76C0@me.com> Message-ID: How I agree with Alan! Info from Mole Valley, Surrey. (Leatherhead/Dorking) Next door to Guildford, which I think is Waverley? Garden Waste removal is chargeable at ?35/pa. Otherwise we have green bins for recyclable, inc glass bottles, black for anything else - goes to landfill, I believe. Food waste has red/red lid or labelled black, and is collected weekly. Bin liners used to keep them sweet. Changed fortnightly when our cleaner of the communal hallways is here. Small electricals and domestic batteriescan be left bagged up on top of the bins which are emptied alternate weeks. (green/Black). It is a nonsense that there is not a countrywide standard colour code! Or a standard loading clue! If there is bulky waste to be gor rid of (white goods, mattresses etc) Mole Valley charges ?44 per item, so it's no surprise that fly-tipping is rife. Dump it in some poor farmer's field gateway. The local Council are too dim to realise that charging an outlandish fee leads to flytipping. (To quote Basil Fawlty: "Stating the bleedin' obvious!") And they won't collect from a first floor flat. My old gas cooker was condemned - too much CO from the eye-level grill. Cost ?50 to have it disconnected and supply capped off, but it had to be done safely.No, it has to be left out at ground level - so I will have to get 'man & van' to get it down the stairs. I live in a development of three two story blocks of flats - but, well before the wheelies were introduced, I told the Council that we needed 'assisted lift', as most residents are pretty ancient - so we don't need to put all of 34 bins out at the kerbside - they get collected and returned to various walled enclosures. And rinsed out a couple of times a month - again by regular contractors. Garden waste from our little estate gets removed by our grounds maintenance contractors, who attend every week - autumn is busy for them as there are many mature trees, chestnuts and sycamores, so the leaf fall is horrendous. However, trying to train residents and tenants to the correct loading of the bins is a never-ending task - I cannot believe the stupidity! Pat On 02/08/2022 15:40, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Banbury (Cherwell ) introduced a ?40 pa fee for garden waste this year, previously there was no charge.Coincidentally we?re now seeing a lot of fly tipping of garden waste > in the side of the lanes around here. > My gripe with kerbside recycling is that there is no nationally agreed colour code for the different recycling bins. When we have guests staying, they ?help? by chucking stuff in what they assume is the correct bin, but it?s different to where they live. Rather illogically our land fill goes in the green bin. Our kerbside recycling doesn?t accept glass, but other areas allow it to be mixed in with the cardboard and plastic. We can leave dead batteries in a bag on top of any bin, but where my daughter lives, they have to be recycled in a shop. Similarly we can leave small appliances on top of the bins, but you can?t do that in other areas. > > I think that there should be a government initiative to specify which colour each bin should be. New bins will then be issued in the agreed colours and existing bins could have a sticker saying that this bin identifies as a purple bin or whatever. > > Alan > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:43, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ??35 pa in Guildford, emptied fortnightly. It was the same when i lived in Southampton. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. >>> >>> On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Aug 3 03:47:15 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:47:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles In-Reply-To: <602FF290-F4EF-4B6E-96A1-B6566156910C@btinternet.com> References: <602FF290-F4EF-4B6E-96A1-B6566156910C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <97241776-57B8-4302-A1FC-B734FBF43B15@me.com> I only ever worked with Martin once, dubbing what was probably the funniest and cleverest script I?ve ever encountered. The play was shot entirely on OB, so when we got to the dub, everybody was familiar with all the funny bits and no longer reacted. Martin was seeing it for the first time. His frequent and spontaneous laughter gave the director confidence that the production was working well. Needless to say, Martin threw himself into the project with his usual enthusiasm and added so much value to the production. However I also met Martin countless times in the TVC bar and will always remember his constant smile and fabulous sense of humour. I know that these days it?s generally frowned upon to drink in the workplace, but if the TVC bar hadn?t existed, I would have missed out on spending quality time with so many terrific people. It was the prospect of bumping into people like Martin which made lunchtimes at TVC so enjoyable. It?s impossible to think of Martin without also remembering his characteristic smile. Alan >>> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at home a few days ago. More details later but as he had no descendants it may be some time before things are sorted. >>> >>> Seen here on his last day at the BBC. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Barry. >>> >>> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Martin Eccles TC5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 165031 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Wed Aug 3 04:01:50 2022 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2022 10:01:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles In-Reply-To: <602FF290-F4EF-4B6E-96A1-B6566156910C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <35mv5ep3suqktkn2d83doelf.1659517310884@pgtmedia.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had the chance to accompany a cameraman I worked with, to a jolly at Le Touquet, and took plenty of Francs (in those days) to get some champers for Christmas. The cave we went to had Veuve, but at ?2 a bottle more than Majestic, I pointed this out to the patron, who merely gave the Gallic shrug, saying that if I wanted the Cliquot, then that was the price! I assume, Graeme, that you are familiar with Camel Valley? Here's another champagne story - might have posted this before, but never mind: *Pinewood* 007 ?The Spy Who Loved Me? Scene: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it was the real stuff. Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always after opening the bottle. Each time a fresh bottle. Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the director: ?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis grinned and said mildly: ?Roger, you /are/ naughty!? Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the actors and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the champagne, and such was his nature that he thought all the crew should have a taste. Lovely guy! Pat On 02/08/2022 12:02, Graeme Wall wrote: > A point of order, Camel Valley use the methode Merritt! allegedley invented some yeras befre Dom Perignon had his bright idea. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 11:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The Camel Valley vineyard near Bodmin produces an excellent fizz, using methode champenoise which is giving the French producers severe competition. >> The vineyard tour used to be ?5, which included a glass of wine - if you wanted to sample the fizz, that was an extra 50p which went to the Cornwall & Devon Air ambulance, a very worthy cause. >> It's possible to reach it with a ride on the Bodmin & Wenford steam railway. >> https://www.camelvalley.com/tours >> https://bodminrailway.co.uk/plan-your-visit/timetables-and-fares/ >> >> Pat >> >> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More details later but as he had no descendants it may be some time before things are sorted. > > Seen here on his last day at the BBC. > > Regards, > Barry. > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Martin Eccles TC5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 165031 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Aug 3 04:34:36 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 10:34:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant - rubbish collection! In-Reply-To: <06d98745-986d-e80f-96cd-c9fe345bdd4b@sky.com> References: <06d98745-986d-e80f-96cd-c9fe345bdd4b.ref@sky.com> <06d98745-986d-e80f-96cd-c9fe345bdd4b@sky.com> Message-ID: <6c43e4c5-3ccf-4cc2-6506-e7301c1ede9a@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 02/08/2022 19:38, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > .... > > The comment about possible reuse of wine bottles, nice idea but as it > isn't possible to reuse jam jars due to an EU directive (something MPs > were shocked to hear when it came out some years ago and an MP brought > the matter up in the house), I doubt it. Of course as we are no longer > in the EU, then hopefully things will change!! > > Oh dear! Yet another one who has fallen into the "straight banana" trap, or paid too much attention to Boris. The reuse of jam jars, and glass generally, never was an EU directive. We were always free to do it, and it was only the rabid anti-Europeans who were desperate to invent reasons for hating them. http://www.jametc.com/jars.html Chris Woolf From phider at gmx.com Wed Aug 3 04:43:36 2022 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2022 10:43:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles In-Reply-To: <35mv5ep3suqktkn2d83doelf.1659517310884@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <1N8GQs-1nO6EI0X5s-014Dc6@mail.gmx.net> He was Meccles to me and one of the most enjoyable men? to work with. Its a very sad day.? He? was prrofressional and always? gave his best , his grim was infectios I and? ?I shall miss him.Peter Hider?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Paul Thackray via Tech1 Date: 03/08/2022 10:02 (GMT+00:00) To: Albert Barber , Nick Way Cc: Tech 1 , Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Martin Eccles Very sad news.Always had a good time working with Martin Paul ?Paul ThackrayPGT Media Consulting Ltd.07802 243979Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.ukLinkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSent: 3 August 2022 09:11To: nick at nickway.co.ukReply to: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.comCc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; bernie833 at gmail.comSubject: Re: [Tech1] Martin Eccles ?Dry sorry to hear the sad news of Martin. He was always full of enthusiasm and fun. He made everything he did seem effortless. From my point of view as a Director he devoted this to make you feel your production was special.?Condolences to his family?Albert BarberSent from my iPhoneOn 3 Aug 2022, at 09:06, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote:? Oh, Barry. I am just so sorry to hear this news. I only knew Martin smiling. ? Another wonderful colleague has moved on to the great gig in the sky. ? With best wishes, Nick WAY. ???? On 03/08/2022 11:58 +04 Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: ? ? ? (Second attempt to get this on the Tech Ops site) Hi All, Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at home a few days ago. More details later but as he had no descendants it may be some time before things are sorted. ? Seen here on his last day at the BBC. ? Regards, Barry. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Martin Eccles TC5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 165031 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Aug 3 04:48:18 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 10:48:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] And another rant In-Reply-To: References: <7089abaa-478c-80c5-16ab-3c7e0421c298@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <180bf7ad-0227-6c64-1dc9-2d0ec00839c6@davesound.co.uk> Good news - got through to a human on the TFL number this morning, and she had details of it all. And paid the original ?80 fine by credit card. Avoiding the nonsense of it going though the courts - with no guarantee of success. On 02/08/2022 19:57, David Newbitt wrote: > Oh dear Dave - I'm reminded of the sad old tale of "smile they said - > things could be worse, so I smiled and things got worse". > > Next instalment please! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 7:16 PM > To: TechOps > Subject: [Tech1] And another rant > > Think I mentioned the 'fun' I was having with TFL. > > I entered the ULEZ in my old Rover, and forgot about paying the charge > until too late. My fault entirely. Didn't receive a PCN (which I was > expecting and would have paid). But 2 months later, got a demand from > TFL for ?240 or court proceedings. The fine would have been ?80 if paid > within 14 days of receiving the PCN, or ?160 if before 28 days. > > I wrote (letter post) to TFL explaining I hadn't received the PCN. Their > reply was effectively 'tough luck'. > > So on that very hot Tuesday, staying indoors in AC bliss, I wrote to my > MP. First time ever. Including copies of all the correspondence with TFL. > > She, Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, was very helpful. Got an email from her today > saying TFL had agreed to accept the original ?80. > > So went online to pay it. No chance - the PCN number would only allow > ?240. > > She had also sent a PDF copy of the PCN I'd not received (same PCN > number as the final demand) giving a phone number to pay. The auto > announcement on that said they couldn't take payment by phone, and gave > up waiting to speak to a human after 30 minutes or so. > > Which leaves payment by cheque or PO. Don't have any cheques left - I've > not needed any for years. And queuing up at my local PO a real PITA - I > haven't done that for years either. > -- Dave P London SW From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Aug 3 05:02:17 2022 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 11:02:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <90902DB1-B706-4852-9008-C1D69172CA03@icloud.com> References: <90902DB1-B706-4852-9008-C1D69172CA03@icloud.com> Message-ID: <87807882-adac-5834-cc77-b581d76f774e@howell61.f9.co.uk> Which Pinner do you live in? I have to pay ?56-26 pa to Harrow Council to have my garden waste taken away every fortnight? John H. On 02/08/2022 15:21, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > Free in Pinner!! Garden waste, recycling and normal waste all collected every week. > > Graham Maunder > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:43, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?35 pa in Guildford, emptied fortnightly. It was the same when i lived in Southampton. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. >>> >>> On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM >>> To: Nick Ware >>> Cc: Tech Ops List >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time >>> >>> Re: moving water about the country... >>> >>> It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. >>> >>> The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. >>> >>> As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. >>> >>> On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. >>> >>> On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. >>> >>> We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). >>> >>> Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. >>> >>> I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> alawrance1 at me.com >>> >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. >>>> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. >>>> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? >>>> >>>> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >>>> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>>>> >>>>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >>>>> >>>>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From mibridge at mac.com Wed Aug 3 05:52:21 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 11:52:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles In-Reply-To: <35mv5ep3suqktkn2d83doelf.1659517310884@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <35mv5ep3suqktkn2d83doelf.1659517310884@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: I heartily endorse all the good things said of Martin, and add that whilst he was always very modest about his own abilities, as a Sound Supervisor, you could not have wished for more reliable support and helpful suggestions from your gram op when you had missed the obvious (as I often did!) He cut the mustard as a boom operator too, in his earlier days. But above all, he was such a nice chap. Mike G > On 3 Aug 2022, at 10:02, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Very sad news. > Always had a good time working with Martin > > Paul > > > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 3 August 2022 09:11 > To: nick at nickway.co.uk > Reply to: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; bernie833 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Martin Eccles > > Dry sorry to hear the sad news of Martin. He was always full of enthusiasm and fun. He made everything he did seem effortless. From my point of view as a Director he devoted this to make you feel your production was special. > Condolences to his family > Albert Barber > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On 3 Aug 2022, at 09:06, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Oh, Barry. >> >> I am just so sorry to hear this news. I only knew Martin smiling. >> >> Another wonderful colleague has moved on to the great gig in the sky. >> >> With best wishes, >> >> Nick WAY. >>> On 03/08/2022 11:58 +04 Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> (Second attempt to get this on the Tech Ops site) >>> >>> Hi All, >>> Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at home a few days ago. 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He made everything he did seem effortless. From my point of view as a Director he devoted this to make you feel your production was special. Condolences to his family Albert Barber Sent from my iPhone On 3 Aug 2022, at 09:06, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: ? Oh, Barry. I am just so sorry to hear this news. I only knew Martin smiling. Another wonderful colleague has moved on to the great gig in the sky. With best wishes, Nick WAY. On 03/08/2022 11:58 +04 Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: (Second attempt to get this on the Tech Ops site) Hi All, Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at home a few days ago. More details later but as he had no descendants it may be some time before things are sorted. Seen here on his last day at the BBC. 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Garden waste, recycling and normal waste all collected every week. >> >> Graham Maunder >> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:43, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?35 pa in Guildford, emptied fortnightly. It was the same when i lived in Southampton. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 14:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> A great deal of well-reasoned observation in your post Alasdair and interesting to read. >>>> >>>> On the topic of waste collection it struck me I have no idea how much variation there likely is from one authority to another. We have been here in South Somerset just short of 5 years. Throughout that time garden waste collection has been charged for, currently ?57.20 p.a for the standard 180 litre bin emptied fortnightly (used to be weekly). What is a typical charge elsewhere faced by members and are there any freebies anywhere? >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 11:56 AM >>>> To: Nick Ware >>>> Cc: Tech Ops List >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rant time >>>> >>>> Re: moving water about the country... >>>> >>>> It's been talked about, off and on, for years now and based on the idea of James Brindley's 'Grand Cross' a plan to join the great rivers of the UK - Mersey, Trent, Thames and Severn. >>>> >>>> The problem now is that the canal system is now so run down, courtesy of the privatisation of British Waterways into the Canal & River Trust, that the cost of dredging the system and repairing the infrastructure, (reservoirs, by-weirs, culverts, back pumps etc), is becoming prohibitive. >>>> >>>> As an example, dredging canals in Birmingham is fearsomely expensive due to the cost of processing the spoil. This is because of the concentration of heavy metals from the electro-plating activities of past industrialisation, principally in the Jewellery Quarter. Like fibrous asbestos, it's probably best left alone.... This may also be true of other industrial cities, although for different reasons. >>>> >>>> On top of which, any adverse flow especially on the narrow canals, makes boating very difficult and would use more diesel, the power source of most narrowboats - and that power source is unlikely to change in the forseeable. >>>> >>>> On that environmental front Warwick and Stratford Councils have joined forces in refuse collection and disposal, including charging for garden waste. >>>> >>>> We now have four bins and a 'food caddy' some collected weekly, some fortnightly and some three weekly (so far as I can work out). >>>> >>>> Since we also have commercial rubbish bins for the boatyard, which are happy to take anything, within reason, you can guess our response. >>>> >>>> I've always considered smashing up glass bottles to make new ones the height of greenwash. Since wine bottles, for example, are mostly uniform and therefore interchangeable, why not make the labels with water soluble glue and steam clean them for re-use? Or am I missing something, other than profits of bottle makers? And what about embedded energy? It's a system that worked well for milk delivery, back in the day. >>>> >>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>> alawrance1 at me.com >>>> >>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 09:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ?The trouble with HS2, or any other railway, is that only a train?s length of it serves any useful purpose at any given moment in time. The rest is of it is doing nothing until another train comes along. So a waterway would make good sense: all of it carrying water all of the time. >>>>> But knowing us lazy Brits, what is more likely to happen would be giant tanker ships burning millions of tons of irreplaceable fossil fuel, bringing water at huge cost from America, the Arctic, or more likely, China, etc. >>>>> Maybe it?s wake-up time for seawater de-salination plants in this country? >>>>> >>>>> By the way, you don?t twist the cork out of a champagne bottle, you prise it up firmly but gently with your thumb, so that you have precise control of the pressure release. I know this having done the guided tour and wine-tasting at the nearby Albury Vinyard a few days ago! >>>>> It was interesting to note that of 32 people on the tour, only three plus the guide were male, the rest, young women. I couldn?t possibly comment as to why that might be. (Highly recommended tour, by the way). >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Nick. (Well you did say Rant!) >>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 05:03, Chris on GMail via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> ?finnally a use for the HS2 white elephant >>>>>> >>>>>> being faily level it would make a great aquaduct to bring water to the south >>>>>> >>>>>> hhmm is that leveling up-or down >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> chris >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Aug 3 06:42:49 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:42:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Rant - rubbish collection! In-Reply-To: <6c43e4c5-3ccf-4cc2-6506-e7301c1ede9a@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <6c43e4c5-3ccf-4cc2-6506-e7301c1ede9a@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: On 02/08/2022 19:38, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > .... > > The comment about possible reuse of wine bottles, nice idea but as it > isn't possible to reuse jam jars due to an EU directive (something MPs > were shocked to hear when it came out some years ago and an MP brought > the matter up in the house), I doubt it. Of course as we are no longer > in the EU, then hopefully things will change!! > > Oh dear! Yet another one who has fallen into the "straight banana" trap, or paid too much attention to Boris. The reuse of jam jars, and glass generally, never was an EU directive. We were always free to do it. http://www.jametc.com/jars.html Chris Woolf From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Aug 3 06:57:32 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 12:57:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] And another rant In-Reply-To: <180bf7ad-0227-6c64-1dc9-2d0ec00839c6@davesound.co.uk> References: <7089abaa-478c-80c5-16ab-3c7e0421c298@davesound.co.uk> <180bf7ad-0227-6c64-1dc9-2d0ec00839c6@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <8BC326F579A24BCFA187569226A9F14F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Not often that stumping up ?80 seems like good news but well done. Persistence pays, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:48 AM To: David Newbitt ; TechOps Subject: Re: [Tech1] And another rant Good news - got through to a human on the TFL number this morning, and she had details of it all. And paid the original ?80 fine by credit card. Avoiding the nonsense of it going though the courts - with no guarantee of success. On 02/08/2022 19:57, David Newbitt wrote: > Oh dear Dave - I'm reminded of the sad old tale of "smile they said - > things could be worse, so I smiled and things got worse". > > Next instalment please! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 7:16 PM > To: TechOps > Subject: [Tech1] And another rant > > Think I mentioned the 'fun' I was having with TFL. > > I entered the ULEZ in my old Rover, and forgot about paying the charge > until too late. My fault entirely. Didn't receive a PCN (which I was > expecting and would have paid). But 2 months later, got a demand from > TFL for ?240 or court proceedings. The fine would have been ?80 if paid > within 14 days of receiving the PCN, or ?160 if before 28 days. > > I wrote (letter post) to TFL explaining I hadn't received the PCN. Their > reply was effectively 'tough luck'. > > So on that very hot Tuesday, staying indoors in AC bliss, I wrote to my > MP. First time ever. Including copies of all the correspondence with TFL. > > She, Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, was very helpful. Got an email from her today > saying TFL had agreed to accept the original ?80. > > So went online to pay it. No chance - the PCN number would only allow > ?240. > > She had also sent a PDF copy of the PCN I'd not received (same PCN > number as the final demand) giving a phone number to pay. The auto > announcement on that said they couldn't take payment by phone, and gave > up waiting to speak to a human after 30 minutes or so. > > Which leaves payment by cheque or PO. Don't have any cheques left - I've > not needed any for years. And queuing up at my local PO a real PITA - I > haven't done that for years either. > -- Dave P London SW From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Aug 3 07:03:28 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 13:03:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] And another rant In-Reply-To: <8BC326F579A24BCFA187569226A9F14F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <7089abaa-478c-80c5-16ab-3c7e0421c298@davesound.co.uk> <180bf7ad-0227-6c64-1dc9-2d0ec00839c6@davesound.co.uk> <8BC326F579A24BCFA187569226A9F14F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <0d35ba48-7465-f558-ad6f-dd9137996bd7@davesound.co.uk> It is, of course yet another tax on the poor. Going to be far more so when it includes pretty well all of London. I know quite a few who run cars that will have to pay, not through choice, but all they can afford. On 03/08/2022 12:57, David Newbitt wrote: > Not often that stumping up ?80 seems like good news but well done. > > Persistence pays, > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman > Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 10:48 AM > To: David Newbitt ; TechOps > Subject: Re: [Tech1] And another rant > > Good news - got through to a human on the TFL number this morning, and > she had details of it all. And paid the original ?80 fine by credit > card. Avoiding the nonsense of it going though the courts - with no > guarantee of success. > > On 02/08/2022 19:57, David Newbitt wrote: >> Oh dear Dave - I'm reminded of the sad old tale of "smile they said - >> things could be worse, so I smiled and things got worse". >> >> Next instalment please! >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 >> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 7:16 PM >> To: TechOps >> Subject: [Tech1] And another rant >> >> Think I mentioned the 'fun' I was having with TFL. >> >> I entered the ULEZ in my old Rover, and forgot about paying the charge >> until too late. My fault entirely. Didn't receive a PCN (which I was >> expecting and would have paid). But 2 months later, got a demand from >> TFL for ?240 or court proceedings. The fine would have been ?80 if paid >> within 14 days of receiving the PCN, or ?160 if before 28 days. >> >> I wrote (letter post) to TFL explaining I hadn't received the PCN. Their >> reply was effectively 'tough luck'. >> >> So on that very hot Tuesday, staying indoors in AC bliss, I wrote to my >> MP. First time ever. Including copies of all the correspondence with >> TFL. >> >> She, Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, was very helpful. Got an email from her today >> saying TFL had agreed to accept the original ?80. >> >> So went online to pay it. No chance - the PCN number would only allow >> ?240. >> >> She had also sent a PDF copy of the PCN I'd not received (same PCN >> number as the final demand) giving a phone number to pay. The auto >> announcement on that said they couldn't take payment by phone, and gave >> up waiting to speak to a human after 30 minutes or so. >> >> Which leaves payment by cheque or PO. Don't have any cheques left - I've >> not needed any for years. And queuing up at my local PO a real PITA - I >> haven't done that for years either. >> -- Dave P London SW From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Aug 3 07:04:40 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 13:04:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <49E51768-0A37-4310-A894-5DE381BB2F68@icloud.com> References: <87807882-adac-5834-cc77-b581d76f774e@howell61.f9.co.uk> <49E51768-0A37-4310-A894-5DE381BB2F68@icloud.com> Message-ID: I just wonder, when I? drive past the sewage works to the West of Heathrow, that the disinfection is up to scratch. Just think - multiple plane loads of people, whose home country may not be that brilliant at waste disposal - what's maybe the first thing they do on landing - use the loo! Pat On 03/08/2022 12:40, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > I?m just the ?right side of the tracks? so come under Hillingdon - a strange shape Borough that somehow includesHeathrow Airport as well!! > > Graham > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 3 Aug 2022, at 11:02, John Howell wrote: >> >> ?Which Pinner do you live in? I have to pay ?56-26 pa to Harrow Council to have my garden waste taken away every fortnight? >> >> John H. >> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Aug 3 11:38:36 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 17:38:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rubbish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <519e2365-fb6c-8d35-4948-434a8acd5cd8@btinternet.com> Where I live in Surrey we have alternate weekly collections of general rubbish, for landfill, and recycling, glass, paper, tins and paper etc. plus weekly collections of food waste, for composting. The cost comes out of the 'rates' so no direct payment from me. There used to be garden rubbish collections fortnightly for ?20 but they have been suspended. My particular area is about to have strikes and only food and general waste will be collected during August. The bin man this morning told me to put eveything in the general waste wheelie bin! How's that for logic? Cheers, Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Aug 3 12:38:05 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:38:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles In-Reply-To: <5631f20c-f522-5f05-a98e-891fe6148c8e@dfhume.plus.com> References: <5631f20c-f522-5f05-a98e-891fe6148c8e@dfhume.plus.com> Message-ID: <86a4dca9-9819-cb3b-cd3d-2d8084ac2ffd@btinternet.com> I was very sad to read about Martin, he was such a nice guy. Barry Bonner tried for years to get him to join us in Ickenham or at Barry's and Tony's local, but failed. How very sad to die alone and leave no relatives. Even more frightening he was 11 years younger than me! Regards, Dave. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Aug 3 14:45:53 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 20:45:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles In-Reply-To: <507EB4FA-6CFB-4A8C-AA2E-3786026B93D3@btinternet.com> References: <507EB4FA-6CFB-4A8C-AA2E-3786026B93D3@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I didn?t know Martin well by any means but Nick?s observation re his smile strongly accords with my recollections. Being cheerful is one of the greatest of human attributes to respect and admire and as Dave M says, all the more sad in consequence that in Martin?s case there are no close relatives to mourn him. Mercifully his passing does not go unremarked though, witness the warmth of the tributes here. Dave Newbitt. From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 8:58 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles (Second attempt to get this on the Tech Ops site) Hi All, Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at home a few days ago. More details later but as he had no descendants it may be some time before things are sorted. Seen here on his last day at the BBC. Regards, Barry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Dave. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk Thu Aug 4 10:03:39 2022 From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 16:03:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles In-Reply-To: <507EB4FA-6CFB-4A8C-AA2E-3786026B93D3@btinternet.com> References: <507EB4FA-6CFB-4A8C-AA2E-3786026B93D3@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9b0def3f-8898-dd88-7f9b-f86a2d59ff92@mridout.force9.co.uk> Such sad news. Martin was always so infectiously cheerful, always smiling. And he made work look so effortless. He was such a lovely guy. Martin R On 03/08/2022 08:58, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > (Second attempt to get this on the Tech Ops site) > > Hi All, > Some very sad news I?m afraid. Martin Eccles Sound Supervisor died at > home a few days ago. More details later but as he had no descendants it > may be some time before things are sorted. > > Seen here on his last day at the BBC. > > Regards, > Barry. > > > > > > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Aug 5 10:28:06 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:28:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Isle of Man Railways Message-ID: <3806a7ef-6054-c8be-6684-ffc47a649dab@amps.net> Couple of interesting programmes on That's TV (Freeview 65) the last few nights. Train rides on the Isle of Man Railways (The Manx Electric is a tram, really) I suspect much use of Go-Pro cameras, as a lot of driver's view looking ahead down the track. Quiet,informative commentary, telling the viewer what to look out for. Don't know whether it falls into 'Slow TV' but I found it fascinating - always wanted to look ahead! (only experienced that on Newcastle's Metro, where you can sit behind the driver) Can't find That's TV on catch-up, though. 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Graeme Wall > On 5 Aug 2022, at 16:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Couple of interesting programmes on That's TV (Freeview 65) the last few nights. > > Train rides on the Isle of Man Railways (The Manx Electric is a tram, really) > > I suspect much use of Go-Pro cameras, as a lot of driver's view looking ahead down the track. > > Quiet,informative commentary, telling the viewer what to look out for. > > Don't know whether it falls into 'Slow TV' but I found it fascinating - always wanted to look ahead! > > (only experienced that on Newcastle's Metro, where you can sit behind the driver) > > Can't find That's TV on catch-up, though. > > Pat > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 10:30:31 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:30:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Isle of Man Railways In-Reply-To: <3806a7ef-6054-c8be-6684-ffc47a649dab@amps.net> References: <3806a7ef-6054-c8be-6684-ffc47a649dab@amps.net> Message-ID: You'll find the DLR a little closer B On Fri, 5 Aug 2022, 16:28 Pat Heigham via Tech1, wrote: > Couple of interesting programmes on That's TV (Freeview 65) the last few > nights. > > Train rides on the Isle of Man Railways (The Manx Electric is a tram, > really) > > I suspect much use of Go-Pro cameras, as a lot of driver's view looking > ahead down the track. > > Quiet,informative commentary, telling the viewer what to look out for. > > Don't know whether it falls into 'Slow TV' but I found it fascinating - > always wanted to look ahead! > > (only experienced that on Newcastle's Metro, where you can sit behind the > driver) > > Can't find That's TV on catch-up, though. > > Pat > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_2980844899218380501_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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BUT Why is the camera cable from Camera 2 (apparently) not clamped to the bottom of the ped?? BR Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 06:03:43 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 12:03:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Somehow I seem to have missed this... Message-ID: ... or maybe it's just age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6WS-xbE8Y B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 06:28:20 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 12:28:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Somehow I seem to have missed this... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's making the Z Cars story 'What d'yer Mean - Charity?' in January 1968 (shown the month after). The only visual example (outside photographs) of Joss Ackland's year in the series. Shaun Sutton was filmed at Ealing for his sequence. It's also, of course, the earliest colour footage of Z Cars, two years before it went into broadcast colour. On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 at 12:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ... or maybe it's just age. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6WS-xbE8Y > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.neill at icloud.com Sun Aug 7 06:50:32 2022 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 12:50:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rant time In-Reply-To: <1F2A042C-1FC5-48A2-96EF-8C1EE2FE8BB0@icloud.com> References: <2138800552.1159418.1659365867403@email.ionos.co.uk> <3e8439e2-126c-f4e9-292a-80d5248d4d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> <57710f27-8e8e-c497-b0c1-2cbfb30fce2b@googlemail.com> <08fba0e5-04ce-b182-7b88-4d1e45ac3a34@amps.net> <5010f48a-aa70-9aca-e002-e6dae4e8bac1@amps.net> <1F2A042C-1FC5-48A2-96EF-8C1EE2FE8BB0@icloud.com> Message-ID: And Blanquette de Limoux predates them both! Peter Neill > On 2 Aug 2022, at 12:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > A point of order, Camel Valley use the methode Merritt! allegedley invented some yeras befre Dom Perignon had his bright idea. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 2 Aug 2022, at 11:40, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The twist bottle technique was told to me by a woman with the irritating habit of knowing everything about everything! >> >> I suppose the twisting of the bottle gives more torque, like using a long shaft screwdriver on a difficult screw. (satisfaction here, Alan?) >> >> There is the method of using a sword: >> >> Sabrage /s??br???/ is a technique for opening a champagne bottle with a saber, used for ceremonial occasions. The wielder slides the saber along the body seam of the bottle to the lip to break the top of the neck away, leaving the neck of the bottle open and ready to pour. >> >> However a friend's son misjudged it and the top of the bottle broke jaggedly. To stop wasting the fizz, said son stuck his finger on the neck, cutting himself and bleeding - so they had pink champagne! >> >> The Camel Valley vineyard near Bodmin produces an excellent fizz, using methode champenoise which is giving the French producers severe competition. >> The vineyard tour used to be ?5, which included a glass of wine - if you wanted to sample the fizz, that was an extra 50p which went to the Cornwall & Devon Air ambulance, a very worthy cause. >> It's possible to reach it with a ride on the Bodmin & Wenford steam railway. >> https://www.camelvalley.com/tours >> https://bodminrailway.co.uk/plan-your-visit/timetables-and-fares/ >> >> Pat >> >> On 02/08/2022 10:23, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> On 01/08/2022 19:28, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ...... >>>> >>>> Don't twist the cork - hold it still and twist the bottle! >>>> >>>> >>> Oh Pat! You are living in Einstein's relativistic world nowadays - it depends entirely which your plane of reference is, as to which is twisting and which is standing still. >>> >>> Chris W >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 09:41:29 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 15:41:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Somehow I seem to have missed this... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bf7b385-0e94-6549-6dde-217d87949b47@gmail.com> Thanks David ...though I'm surprised to be the first to point out that Shaun Sutton was at Woodstock Grove B On 07/08/2022 12:28, David Brunt wrote: > It's making the Z Cars story 'What d'yer Mean - Charity?' in January > 1968 (shown the month after). > > The only visual example (outside photographs) of Joss Ackland's year > in the series. > > Shaun Sutton was filmed at Ealing for his sequence. > > It's also, of course, the earliest colour footage of Z Cars, two years > before it went into broadcast colour. > > On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 at 12:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> ... or maybe it's just age. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6WS-xbE8Y >> >> B >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Both this and the TTH zoom were used about this time although most programmes IIRC opted for the Angenieux. 3.???? I can find no publicly available pictures of any? studio production plan for any programmes in TC studios. Luckily there is a TC3 plan in the video that Bernie found today, and I am going to try to work from that, but the plan in the write-up will be a complete fiction. 4.????? Pictures of? Marconi Mk IV? Viewfinders:at this time? show both types in use -?? a)? fully enclosed with rubber eyepads and? b) just top and sides like the EMI 203s.?? Help! I would like my made-up piccys to be consistent if possible. 5.????? Was a Heron ever used on "Softly Softly":? I can recall peds only.? (There were rostra and towers). 6?????? Timings - On series 1 and 2 (the fully live ones) and on the subsequent series - done "as live" at the broadcast time - how many "run throughs" were there?? I recall a stagger through on the Tuesday, then notes and run through on Wednesday morning.? 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I can not remember there being an episode ident caption at the start > of episodes of "Softly Softly" but I guess there must have been one? > Episode name and Scriptwriter? There are NO captions or space for > captions on the original title film sequence. > > > > 2. I can find no pictures of a Marconi Mk IV with an Angeniuex Zoom. > Both this and the TTH zoom were used about this time although most > programmes IIRC opted for the Angenieux. > > > > 3. I can find no publicly available pictures of any studio production > plan for any programmes in TC studios. Luckily there is a TC3 plan in the > video that Bernie found today, and I am going to try to work from that, but > the plan in the write-up will be a complete fiction. > > > > 4. Pictures of Marconi Mk IV Viewfinders:at this time show both > types in use - a) fully enclosed with rubber eyepads and b) just top > and sides like the EMI 203s. Help! I would like my made-up piccys to be > consistent if possible. > > > 5. Was a Heron ever used on "Softly Softly": I can recall peds > only. (There were rostra and towers). > > > 6 Timings - On series 1 and 2 (the fully live ones) and on the > subsequent series - done "as live" at the broadcast time - how many "run > throughs" were there? I recall a stagger through on the Tuesday, then > notes and run through on Wednesday morning. The timings are such that > there COULD BE two run throughs plus notes and scene reworks after lunch > and before supper/line-up. But I seem to remember only two run throughs in > total ... > > > 7. Presentation cue dots (one black and one adjacent white square - > none of this flashing moving business) > > Was it this way? > > 30 seconds to go ? cue dot ON > > 10 seconds to go - cue dot OFF > > 5 seconds to go - cue dot ON > > ON AIR - cue dot OFF > > > Any and all help gratefully received, > > Best regards, > > Alec > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are NO captions or space for captions on the original title film sequence. > From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sun Aug 7 12:08:24 2022 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 18:08:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hancock at Riverside In-Reply-To: <1365832102.2469095.1659889645341@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1365832102.2469095.1659889645341.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1365832102.2469095.1659889645341@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The still may have been in colour, but the show certainly wasn't! This would have been in the TV series' of 'Hancock's Half-hour' from 1956-60.? In 1961, minus Sid James, the 7th TV Series was called just 'Hancock'.? Yip!? I was there by then. Seminal moment on Ep. 1. 'The Bedsitter' was when producer Duncan Wood changed my name from 'Three' to 'Hugh' for the last rehearsal. Being identified alongside 'Laurie', 'Bill' and Ken' was such a proud moment! [Duley, Millar and Major - for those who ask). Hugh On 07/08/2022 17:27, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > ?The attached popped up on my Twitter feed today. > I think the picture has been colourists but I'm not sure. > But it's still great to see 'behind the scenes'. > Am I right in thinking there's a couple of people on here who worked > on Hancock? > > ? All the best! > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 12:09:50 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 18:09:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hancock at Riverside In-Reply-To: <1365832102.2469095.1659889645341@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1365832102.2469095.1659889645341.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1365832102.2469095.1659889645341@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is a recolourised still, the b//w image has been knocking around for years. On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 at 17:28, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > > The attached popped up on my Twitter feed today. > I think the picture has been colourists but I'm not sure. > But it's still great to see 'behind the scenes'. > Am I right in thinking there's a couple of people on here who worked on Hancock? > > All the best! > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 12:25:36 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 18:25:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] REQUEST: Info of live/as live drama series routines in 1966 In-Reply-To: References: <8c235561-eebe-7210-1ab5-52d1dcfe9bcc@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's the 1968 (Season 4) titles. The first season intercut a high shot of the Bristol landscape with the word 'Softly' fading up. Towards the end the episode title fades up as a static caption over black, before going back to the 'Softly' name. Then into the episode. The writer credit would be the opening caption of the closing credits. There was a different one for season 2, with photos of the regular cast superimposed over the 'Softly Softly' letters of the title caption. The episode title overlaid over the shot of Bristol at the end. Season 3 featured changing clips of the regulars with the 'Softly' title caption. Credits again overlaid over different high shots of Bristol. On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 at 18:07, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > Episode and writer captions about 24 seconds in over high wide shot of townscape. > > eg: > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 7 Aug 2022, at 16:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > > > 1. I can not remember there being an episode ident caption at the start of episodes of "Softly Softly" but I guess there must have been one? Episode name and Scriptwriter? There are NO captions or space for captions on the original title film sequence. > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.neill at icloud.com Sun Aug 7 12:57:57 2022 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 18:57:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] REQUEST: Info of live/as live drama series routines in 1966 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As you say, it was a long time ago but I worked on a couple of series on crew 7. I don?t remember there ever being an episode title on screen and I think that credits at the beginning of shows came later. And, I think that the first blocking often continued into the Wednesday morning which meant that the stagger-through continued after lunch, sometimes being cut short so that the dress run started on time. And I don?t remember a Heron being used. But I could be wrong! Peter Neill Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 7 Aug 2022, at 17:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Well, I know the cue dot bit because I used to put them on for a couple of years, and you are correct > > B > >> On Sun, 7 Aug 2022, 16:37 Alec Bray via Tech1, wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> As a sort of "swan Song" for |the Tech Ops site (hopefully there is someone in the frame to take over later this year), I thought I'd try to show what it was like to go live with a drama series ("Softly Softly") in 1966. >> >> But alas there are some memory fails - please can anyone help? Remember this is for 1966 !! 56 years ago .... >> >> >> >> >> 1. I can not remember there being an episode ident caption at the start of episodes of "Softly Softly" but I guess there must have been one? Episode name and Scriptwriter? There are NO captions or space for captions on the original title film sequence. >> >> >> >> 2. I can find no pictures of a Marconi Mk IV with an Angeniuex Zoom. Both this and the TTH zoom were used about this time although most programmes IIRC opted for the Angenieux. >> >> >> >> 3. I can find no publicly available pictures of any studio production plan for any programmes in TC studios. Luckily there is a TC3 plan in the video that Bernie found today, and I am going to try to work from that, but the plan in the write-up will be a complete fiction. >> >> >> >> 4. Pictures of Marconi Mk IV Viewfinders:at this time show both types in use - a) fully enclosed with rubber eyepads and b) just top and sides like the EMI 203s. Help! I would like my made-up piccys to be consistent if possible. >> >> >> 5. Was a Heron ever used on "Softly Softly": I can recall peds only. (There were rostra and towers). >> >> >> 6 Timings - On series 1 and 2 (the fully live ones) and on the subsequent series - done "as live" at the broadcast time - how many "run throughs" were there? I recall a stagger through on the Tuesday, then notes and run through on Wednesday morning. The timings are such that there COULD BE two run throughs plus notes and scene reworks after lunch and before supper/line-up. But I seem to remember only two run throughs in total ... >> >> >> 7. 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Pat On 08/08/2022 10:07, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Before my time at TVC/Riverside, Picture looks as if colour original, > so wonder if it was intended for Radio Times - was RT printing in > colour at that time? > > Pat > > On 07/08/2022 17:27, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: >> ?The attached popped up on my Twitter feed today. >> I think the picture has been colourists but I'm not sure. >> But it's still great to see 'behind the scenes'. >> Am I right in thinking there's a couple of people on here who worked >> on Hancock? >> >> ? All the best! >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Aug 8 05:21:35 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 11:21:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Somehow I seem to have missed this... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07C7EB53-3165-4457-B81B-6AE31EAC290D@me.com> I felt confident that this clip would prompt a lively round of name that person, trying to identify the various people shown behind the scenes. As I was never based in studios, I can?t confidently identify many of those people. Would anybody care to name names so that those people can be linked to this video? Alan > On 7 Aug 2022, at 12:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? ... or maybe it's just age. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6WS-xbE8Y > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 9 05:06:36 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 11:06:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some Mothers & funny dialogue Message-ID: <18f2121d-714e-5768-8fb0-e2e24a28ffe6@amps.net> Watched an interesting prog recently - a doc about Some Mothers Do 'Av Them. Revealed that Michael Crawford insisted on doing his own stunts (which I knew). He wouldn't be allowed to, today. (H & S would have a fit!) Stunt men are replaceable, but the lead actor isn't! Martin Grace, who doubled for 007 on several pictures, was brilliant at mimicking an actor's movements, gait etc, but got wiped off the side of a train on 'Octopussy' As the light was going, the train was backed up beyond the stretch that Martin had recced, in order to get in an extra take. Unfortunately, no-one told Martin, and a concrete post of which he was unaware, knocked him off with horrendous multiple injuries. At least, the production (Cubby Broccoli) had him treated at the London Clinic. But it should never have happened. Having seen the Crawford footage, I wondered if people would like to forward their best memories of the wittiest/funniest dialogue (marks out of ten?). TV or film. To start: /"Only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" (Italian Job) "Hang on, chaps, I've got a great idea!" (Italian Job) "I think he's attempting re-entry" (Q in 007 Moonraker)/ Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Aug 9 05:39:50 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 11:39:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some Mothers & funny dialogue In-Reply-To: <18f2121d-714e-5768-8fb0-e2e24a28ffe6@amps.net> References: <18f2121d-714e-5768-8fb0-e2e24a28ffe6@amps.net> Message-ID: Not a funny line, but the Mike Yarwood show from TVT followed Some Mothers at least for one series. One episode ended with Crawford clinging to the weathervane of a church steeple as the closing titles ran. The opening shot of the Mike Yarwood show was Yarwood as Crawford clinging to the ?same? weathervane and then went on from there. ? Graeme Wall > On 9 Aug 2022, at 11:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Watched an interesting prog recently - a doc about Some Mothers Do 'Av Them. > > Revealed that Michael Crawford insisted on doing his own stunts (which I knew). > > He wouldn't be allowed to, today. (H & S would have a fit!) > > Stunt men are replaceable, but the lead actor isn't! > > Martin Grace, who doubled for 007 on several pictures, was brilliant at mimicking > an actor's movements, gait etc, but got wiped off the side of a train on 'Octopussy' > > As the light was going, the train was backed up beyond the stretch that Martin had > recced, in order to get in an extra take. Unfortunately, no-one told Martin, and a concrete > post of which he was unaware, knocked him off with horrendous multiple injuries. > > At least, the production (Cubby Broccoli) had him treated at the London Clinic. > > But it should never have happened. > > > > Having seen the Crawford footage, I wondered if people would like to forward > their best memories of the wittiest/funniest dialogue (marks out of ten?). > TV or film. > > To start: > > "Only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" (Italian Job) > "Hang on, chaps, I've got a great idea!" (Italian Job) > "I think he's attempting re-entry" (Q in 007 Moonraker) > > Pat > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 9 06:00:22 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 12:00:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some Mothers & funny dialogue In-Reply-To: References: <18f2121d-714e-5768-8fb0-e2e24a28ffe6@amps.net> Message-ID: <47dbbf7a-cc33-f99d-5636-496abe3b6bac@amps.net> The programe about Crawford did indeed feature the weathervane episode and he was lifted off by helicopter dressed as a Nativity Angel. I recall that when the copter landed, an adventurous assistant director ran up to rescue him, only to receive a severe shock from the static electricity that an aircraft builds up in flight (Bernie can confirm?) The first thing that should occur is to earth the fuselage - most important, particularly prior to refuelling! Another line: /"A pint! That's very nearly an armful!" (Hancock - the Blood Donor)/ Pat On 09/08/2022 11:39, Graeme Wall wrote: > Not a funny line, but the Mike Yarwood show from TVT followed Some Mothers at least for one series. One episode ended with Crawford clinging to the weathervane of a church steeple as the closing titles ran. The opening shot of the Mike Yarwood show was Yarwood as Crawford clinging to the ?same? weathervane and then went on from there. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 9 Aug 2022, at 11:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Watched an interesting prog recently - a doc about Some Mothers Do 'Av Them. >> >> Revealed that Michael Crawford insisted on doing his own stunts (which I knew). >> >> He wouldn't be allowed to, today. (H & S would have a fit!) >> >> Stunt men are replaceable, but the lead actor isn't! >> >> Martin Grace, who doubled for 007 on several pictures, was brilliant at mimicking >> an actor's movements, gait etc, but got wiped off the side of a train on 'Octopussy' >> >> As the light was going, the train was backed up beyond the stretch that Martin had >> recced, in order to get in an extra take. Unfortunately, no-one told Martin, and a concrete >> post of which he was unaware, knocked him off with horrendous multiple injuries. >> >> At least, the production (Cubby Broccoli) had him treated at the London Clinic. >> >> But it should never have happened. >> >> >> >> Having seen the Crawford footage, I wondered if people would like to forward >> their best memories of the wittiest/funniest dialogue (marks out of ten?). >> TV or film. >> >> To start: >> >> "Only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" (Italian Job) >> "Hang on, chaps, I've got a great idea!" (Italian Job) >> "I think he's attempting re-entry" (Q in 007 Moonraker) >> >> Pat >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Aug 9 06:15:35 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 11:15:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Olivia Newton John Message-ID: Truly gutted to hear today that Olivia Newton has passed away. I will never forget working in the TMS with her (a much less formal environment than a TV studio). And years later, I shall never forget going to her home for a shoot with ?he who must not be mentioned?. That ghastly man was very late arriving at her home (as often happened) for an informal at-home style interview etc. Olivia made ?my? cameraman and me feel truly at ease and welcome in his absence. A gorgeous sweet person who I will never forget, and I feel honoured to have met her well away from all the falsehood that is Show Biz. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad From waresound at msn.com Tue Aug 9 06:27:13 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 11:27:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Olivia Newton John In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I should have read that before sendng it - Dame Olivia Newton-John Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > On 9 Aug 2022, at 12:15, Nick Ware wrote: > > ?Truly gutted to hear today that Olivia Newton has passed away. I will never forget working in the TMS with her (a much less formal environment than a TV studio). > And years later, I shall never forget going to her home for a shoot with ?he who must not be mentioned?. That ghastly man was very late arriving at her home (as often happened) for an informal at-home style interview etc. Olivia made ?my? cameraman and me feel truly at ease and welcome in his absence. A gorgeous sweet person who I will never forget, and I feel honoured to have met her well away from all the falsehood that is Show Biz. > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad From alanaudio at me.com Tue Aug 9 06:32:09 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 12:32:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some Mothers & funny dialogue In-Reply-To: <18f2121d-714e-5768-8fb0-e2e24a28ffe6@amps.net> References: <18f2121d-714e-5768-8fb0-e2e24a28ffe6@amps.net> Message-ID: I?m all for stuntmen ( and of course stuntwomen ) imitating the gait and mannerisms of the actor they are doubling for. What really peeved me was that some stunt performers would repeat the dialogue of the actors while doing the stunt. Very often the stunt is almost impossible to repeat, therefore I will be trying to get clean recordings of the water splashes, falls, crashes etc. If the stunt performer vocalises the dialogue, the sound recording becomes unusable. I?ve pre-warned a stuntman not to do it and explained why we need them to remain silent, but he still did it. Afterwards he just said ?Sorry mate ? couldn?t help it. Can?t stop old habits when the adrenaline kicks in?. On one drama where a lot of the action concerned stuff falling into a lake and people swimming around, the entire sound effects for those sequences had to be recreated in post-production. Sypher studios were not equipped to do Foley for large scale splashes, so it all had to be done by laboriously track-laying wild track recordings from the location in order to synchronise them with the pictures. Not a trivial job using Sypher 1 in 1982. It wasted a lot of time which could have been better spent doing something else. On that particular show, the stunt men didn?t just shout the scripted dialogue, but also improvised extra lines which were hopelessly out of character, were laughably poorly acted and of course didn?t sound remotely like the actors. Talking of how modern risk assessments wouldn?t allow what we used to do. I did a drama where the finale was a scene where the main character was driving along a narrow lane and is killed in a head-on collision with another car. His wife was in the front passenger seat and there was dialogue right up to the crash. The actor sat in a rear seat delivering his lines, along with the director and the camera. A stuntman was driving, with me and the VT machine in the boot ( estate car, so not too uncomfortable ). We repeated the sequence several times, with another stunt driver driving the oncoming car. After each take, the stunt drivers got a little bit more confident and made it look a bit more of a close call. The last take ended up with a bang as the two vehicles really collided. As the dust settled, our stunt driver yelled ?F*** me, that was close?. When we got out we saw that the two cars had made contact, but only enough to snap the number plate. We got a fantastic crash recording afterwards. The cars were switched for wrecks which looked similar and were rigged up with dummies in the seats. There were long steel towing cables underneath the cars, each one passing under the other car. Two towing vehicles would then drive away from each other, pulling the cars towards each other until they collide at a pre-defined point, which was where the camera was ready for them. The stunt drivers had cones placed showing where they needed to get the car to in order to make the crash happen at the right spot. That shot was on screen for barely a second, but it worked brilliantly and created a perfect clean wild track too. Alan > On 9 Aug 2022, at 11:07, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Watched an interesting prog recently - a doc about Some Mothers Do 'Av Them. > > Revealed that Michael Crawford insisted on doing his own stunts (which I knew). > > He wouldn't be allowed to, today. (H & S would have a fit!) > > Stunt men are replaceable, but the lead actor isn't! > > Martin Grace, who doubled for 007 on several pictures, was brilliant at mimicking > an actor's movements, gait etc, but got wiped off the side of a train on 'Octopussy' > > As the light was going, the train was backed up beyond the stretch that Martin had > recced, in order to get in an extra take. Unfortunately, no-one told Martin, and a concrete > post of which he was unaware, knocked him off with horrendous multiple injuries. > > At least, the production (Cubby Broccoli) had him treated at the London Clinic. > > But it should never have happened. > > > > Having seen the Crawford footage, I wondered if people would like to forward > their best memories of the wittiest/funniest dialogue (marks out of ten?). > TV or film. > > To start: > > "Only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" (Italian Job) > "Hang on, chaps, I've got a great idea!" (Italian Job) > "I think he's attempting re-entry" (Q in 007 Moonraker) > > Pat > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Aug 9 06:46:41 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 12:46:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Olivia Newton John In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17F051F91B744F09B549B87FC5E14C22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Didn't quite have that personal level of engagement Nick but do remember her from working on a number of her studio appearances and as you imply she truly was everyone's sweetheart. This morning's BBC Breakfast's tributes all underwrote what a very special person she was - warm, kind, friendliness personified and a joy to watch when she smiled. I remember those around her referring to her affectionately as 'Livy' but didn't hear anyone this morning use the contraction. I wonder if it might have been a case of something she didn't really like? Anyway, an absolutely delightful human being and lovely in both looks and nature. Inspired genuine affection wherever she went. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 12:15 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Olivia Newton John Truly gutted to hear today that Olivia Newton has passed away. I will never forget working in the TMS with her (a much less formal environment than a TV studio). And years later, I shall never forget going to her home for a shoot with ?he who must not be mentioned?. That ghastly man was very late arriving at her home (as often happened) for an informal at-home style interview etc. Olivia made ?my? cameraman and me feel truly at ease and welcome in his absence. A gorgeous sweet person who I will never forget, and I feel honoured to have met her well away from all the falsehood that is Show Biz. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Aug 9 08:14:18 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 14:14:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Olivia Newton John In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I worked with Olivia three times. The first time she was onstage with three backing singers, two males, one female. However when you prefade their microphones, you would swear that it was two females and one male. The bizarre aspect was that the backing singer who doubled Olivia?s voice and who sounded most like her was one of the men. Second time was at the Eurovision Song a contest in Brighton. Suffice it to say that ABBA had the stronger entry, but it?s long been a favourite music quiz question ?Who sung the British Eurovision entry in 1974, when ABBA won??. Olivia seems to be an unlikely choice on account of her not actually being entirely British. The third time was an extended interview for an arts series. We spent quite a while with her and my impression of her was exactly the same as Nick?s. Utterly charming and delightful. Alan > On 9 Aug 2022, at 12:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Truly gutted to hear today that Olivia Newton has passed away. I will never forget working in the TMS with her (a much less formal environment than a TV studio). > And years later, I shall never forget going to her home for a shoot with ?he who must not be mentioned?. That ghastly man was very late arriving at her home (as often happened) for an informal at-home style interview etc. Olivia made ?my? cameraman and me feel truly at ease and welcome in his absence. A gorgeous sweet person who I will never forget, and I feel honoured to have met her well away from all the falsehood that is Show Biz. > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Tue Aug 9 08:18:48 2022 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 14:18:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles Funeral Message-ID: <330de197-cd33-8409-254d-c1da90c6dfbb@howell61.f9.co.uk> ? Following the very sad passing of Martin, I can confirm his cremation will be at: 11.00am Friday 26^th August Breakspear Crematorium Breakspear Road Ruislip HA4 7SJ If anyone would like to say any words at the service, please do let me know? There will not be a formal gathering afterwards, however if anyone would like to, I am more than happy to arrange an informal meet at a local establishment. Kind regards Nigel. 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However when you prefade their microphones, you would swear that it was two females and one male. The bizarre aspect was that the backing singer who doubled Olivia?s voice and who sounded most like her was one of the men. > > Second time was at the Eurovision Song a contest in Brighton. Suffice it to say that ABBA had the stronger entry, but it?s long been a favourite music quiz question ?Who sung the British Eurovision entry in 1974, when ABBA won??. Olivia seems to be an unlikely choice on account of her not actually being entirely British. > > The third time was an extended interview for an arts series. We spent quite a while with her and my impression of her was exactly the same as Nick?s. Utterly charming and delightful. > > Alan > >> On 9 Aug 2022, at 12:16, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Truly gutted to hear today that Olivia Newton has passed away. I will never forget working in the TMS with her (a much less formal environment than a TV studio). >> And years later, I shall never forget going to her home for a shoot with ?he who must not be mentioned?. That ghastly man was very late arriving at her home (as often happened) for an informal at-home style interview etc. Olivia made ?my? cameraman and me feel truly at ease and welcome in his absence. A gorgeous sweet person who I will never forget, and I feel honoured to have met her well away from all the falsehood that is Show Biz. >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 9 09:38:27 2022 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 15:38:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Olivia Newton John In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sad news about Olivia. For those of you who just might remember she appeared in 1966, when she was relatively unknown, on the Dick Emery show (which I was working on) as singing duo ?Pat (Carrol) & Olivia? and, strangely, later changed their name to ?Lisa and Jane?! Barry. On 9 Aug 2022, at 12:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Truly gutted to hear today that Olivia Newton has passed away. I will never forget working in the TMS with her (a much less formal environment than a TV studio). > And years later, I shall never forget going to her home for a shoot with ?he who must not be mentioned?. That ghastly man was very late arriving at her home (as often happened) for an informal at-home style interview etc. Olivia made ?my? cameraman and me feel truly at ease and welcome in his absence. A gorgeous sweet person who I will never forget, and I feel honoured to have met her well away from all the falsehood that is Show Biz. > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The opening shot of the Mike Yarwood show was Yarwood as Crawford clinging to the ?same? weathervane and then went on from there. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 9 Aug 2022, at 11:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Watched an interesting prog recently - a doc about Some Mothers Do 'Av Them. > > > > Revealed that Michael Crawford insisted on doing his own stunts (which I knew). > > > > He wouldn't be allowed to, today. (H & S would have a fit!) > > > > Stunt men are replaceable, but the lead actor isn't! > > > > Martin Grace, who doubled for 007 on several pictures, was brilliant at mimicking > > an actor's movements, gait etc, but got wiped off the side of a train on 'Octopussy' > > > > As the light was going, the train was backed up beyond the stretch that Martin had > > recced, in order to get in an extra take. Unfortunately, no-one told Martin, and a concrete > > post of which he was unaware, knocked him off with horrendous multiple injuries. > > > > At least, the production (Cubby Broccoli) had him treated at the London Clinic. > > > > But it should never have happened. > > > > > > > > Having seen the Crawford footage, I wondered if people would like to forward > > their best memories of the wittiest/funniest dialogue (marks out of ten?). > > TV or film. > > > > To start: > > > > "Only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" (Italian Job) > > "Hang on, chaps, I've got a great idea!" (Italian Job) > > "I think he's attempting re-entry" (Q in 007 Moonraker) > > > > Pat > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Aug 9 10:36:25 2022 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 16:36:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Olivia Newton John 1966 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B5AAAB5-D0A8-4684-9806-211037CECBEA@btinternet.com> Here?s more??.. Barry. On 9 Aug 2022, at 12:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Truly gutted to hear today that Olivia Newton has passed away. I will never forget working in the TMS with her (a much less formal environment than a TV studio). > And years later, I shall never forget going to her home for a shoot with ?he who must not be mentioned?. That ghastly man was very late arriving at her home (as often happened) for an informal at-home style interview etc. Olivia made ?my? cameraman and me feel truly at ease and welcome in his absence. A gorgeous sweet person who I will never forget, and I feel honoured to have met her well away from all the falsehood that is Show Biz. > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That ghastly man was very late arriving at her home (as often happened) for an informal at-home style interview etc. Olivia made ?my? cameraman and me feel truly at ease and welcome in his absence. A gorgeous sweet person who I will never forget, and I feel honoured to have met her well away from all the falsehood that is Show Biz. >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 9 11:01:09 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 17:01:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some Mothers & funny dialogue In-Reply-To: References: <18f2121d-714e-5768-8fb0-e2e24a28ffe6@amps.net> Message-ID: I loved the Angela Rippon sequence. She said in an interview that she had trained as a dancer, and could do the high kicks - wow! Great legs! No doubt there were some stuffy middle management that disapproved. Do you remember the Square World when Bentine launched the TVC into space? This produced a memo to the effect that 'the Television Centre must not be used for entertainment'! Excuse me! In my day, the accountant's office was across the entrance from the main reception doors. We went there to collect petty cash allowances. Some nefarious chaps mounted a raid, biffing the poor chap over the head and made off with some cash. The security guys thought it was Bentine staging a gag, and did nothing! Really, the cash office should have been buried deep in the building? Pat On 09/08/2022 16:04, David Brunt wrote: > They were shown back-to-back on Christmas Night in 1974. A nice piece > of planning pre-between the two series. > > A couple of years later the Eric and Ernie xmas show with Angela > Rippon ended with her going off to read the news. Which she did right > afterwards. > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 11:40, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> Not a funny line, but the Mike Yarwood show from TVT followed Some Mothers at least for one series. One episode ended with Crawford clinging to the weathervane of a church steeple as the closing titles ran. The opening shot of the Mike Yarwood show was Yarwood as Crawford clinging to the ?same? weathervane and then went on from there. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 11:32:25 2022 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 17:32:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Betamax cassette wanted Message-ID: Can anyone help me? I need a Betamax cassette. Some time ago, I was given an old Sanyo Betacord VTC 9300PN video recorder. I don?t know whether or not it still works, but I intend to find out. To do that, I shall need a Betamax cassette containing some recorded material. That will tell me whether or not the machine will play back recordings. I am not so concerned about making new Betamax recordings as there is not much call for such things these days. But the playback function could be useful if anyone wants some ancient recordings digitised. The recorded material must be of reasonable quality, but may be just part of any TV programme or part of a commercial recording. I could exchange a couple of VHS tapes for one Betamax tape (all used), could exchange something else for the Betamax cassette or could purchase it. (A loan is probably not a good idea as the lender might risk a treasured tape being accidentally damaged.) If anyone has a Betamax cassette to offer, or even two, please email me. Thanks Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 12:18:26 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 18:18:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Betamax cassette wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c9c3135-bfbe-62fa-8b6e-acded12c8423@ntlworld.com> I've forwarded your email to Ed Stradling who has that sort of stuff. B On 09/08/2022 17:32, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > Can anyone help me? I need a Betamax cassette. > > > Some time ago, I was given an old Sanyo Betacord VTC 9300PN video > recorder. I don?t know whether or not it still works, but I intend to > find out. To do that, I shall need a Betamax cassette containing some > recorded material. That will tell me whether or not the machine will > play back recordings. I am not so concerned about making new Betamax > recordings as there is not much call for such things these days. But > the playback function could be useful if anyone wants some ancient > recordings digitised. > > > The recorded material must be of reasonable quality, but may be just > part of any TV programme or part of a commercial recording. > > > I could exchange a couple of VHS tapes for one Betamax tape (all > used), could exchange something else for the Betamax cassette or could > purchase it.?(A loan is probably not a good idea as the lender might > risk a treasured tape being accidentally damaged.) > > > If anyone has a Betamax cassette to offer, or even two, please email me. > > > Thanks > > > Keith > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Tue Aug 9 12:36:57 2022 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 18:36:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Betamax cassette wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Keith, I have a collection of Betamax tapes. You are welcome to one of them. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 09/08/2022 17:32, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > Can anyone help me? I need a Betamax cassette. > > > Some time ago, I was given an old Sanyo Betacord VTC 9300PN video > recorder. I don?t know whether or not it still works, but I intend to > find out. To do that, I shall need a Betamax cassette containing some > recorded material. That will tell me whether or not the machine will > play back recordings. I am not so concerned about making new Betamax > recordings as there is not much call for such things these days. But the > playback function could be useful if anyone wants some ancient > recordings digitised. > > > The recorded material must be of reasonable quality, but may be just > part of any TV programme or part of a commercial recording. > > > I could exchange a couple of VHS tapes for one Betamax tape (all used), > could exchange something else for the Betamax cassette or could purchase > it.?(A loan is probably not a good idea as the lender might risk a > treasured tape being accidentally damaged.) > > > If anyone has a Betamax cassette to offer, or even two, please email me. > > > Thanks > > > Keith > > > From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Aug 10 03:10:17 2022 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:10:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Martin Eccles Message-ID: <929C9827-FB8E-463C-8C9F-A59AC49C6A85@howell61.f9.co.uk> > From: Nigel Glossop > Date: 8 August 2022 at 16:40:50 BST > Subject: Martin Eccles > > Following the very sad passing of Martin, I can confirm his cremation will be at: > > 11.00am Friday 26th August > Breakspear Crematorium > Breakspear Road > Ruislip > HA4 7SJ > > If anyone would like to say any words at the service, please do let me know? > > There will not be a formal gathering afterwards, however if anyone would like to, I am more than happy to arrange an informal meet at a local establishment. > > Kind regards > > Nigel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From waresound at msn.com Wed Aug 10 16:29:05 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:29:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Beware SuperGlue! In-Reply-To: <7c760591-dc1b-4897-125f-24f625a32f4e@btinternet.com> References: <7c760591-dc1b-4897-125f-24f625a32f4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Did you have to take the worktop with you to the DIY shop to get the superglue remover? Nx Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > On 10 Aug 2022, at 19:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?A couple of weeks ago I was repairing something on my worktop and accidentally knocked over a bottle of SuperGlue. I immediately grabbed a tissue and wiped up the puddle and of course the inevitable happened! The tissue stuck to the worktop and also to my thumb! I have never felt pain like it! It was though I had put my thumb in a bunsen burner flame! After a lot of effort with SuperGlue remover I managed to clear up the mess and two weeks later my 1 cm. blister has finally drained and hardened so that I could cut off the dead skin. Lesson learned! Cheers, Dave > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Aug 10 16:50:49 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 22:50:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Beware SuperGlue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I could tell you the story of a man who got superglue on his mouth, but my lips are sealed. Mike G > On 10 Aug 2022, at 22:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Did you have to take the worktop with you to the DIY shop to get the superglue remover? > Nx > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > >> On 10 Aug 2022, at 19:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?A couple of weeks ago I was repairing something on my worktop and accidentally knocked over a bottle of SuperGlue. I immediately grabbed a tissue and wiped up the puddle and of course the inevitable happened! The tissue stuck to the worktop and also to my thumb! I have never felt pain like it! It was though I had put my thumb in a bunsen burner flame! After a lot of effort with SuperGlue remover I managed to clear up the mess and two weeks later my 1 cm. blister has finally drained and hardened so that I could cut off the dead skin. Lesson learned! Cheers, Dave >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Aug 10 17:09:12 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 23:09:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Beware SuperGlue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ever tried pouring superglue onto a non-stick frying pan? One of them is going to be proved wrong. Alan > On 10 Aug 2022, at 22:51, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I could tell you the story of a man who got superglue on his mouth, but my lips are sealed. > > Mike G > >> On 10 Aug 2022, at 22:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Did you have to take the worktop with you to the DIY shop to get the superglue remover? >> Nx >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On 10 Aug 2022, at 19:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?A couple of weeks ago I was repairing something on my worktop and accidentally knocked over a bottle of SuperGlue. I immediately grabbed a tissue and wiped up the puddle and of course the inevitable happened! The tissue stuck to the worktop and also to my thumb! I have never felt pain like it! It was though I had put my thumb in a bunsen burner flame! After a lot of effort with SuperGlue remover I managed to clear up the mess and two weeks later my 1 cm. blister has finally drained and hardened so that I could cut off the dead skin. Lesson learned! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From philiptyler at me.com Wed Aug 10 17:18:05 2022 From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 23:18:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Beware SuperGlue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C3C860B-1B12-4B77-8F52-C931D06A4713@me.com> Philip and Bee https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/ > On 10 Aug 2022, at 22:51, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I could tell you the story of a man who got superglue on his mouth, but my lips are sealed. > > Mike G > >> On 10 Aug 2022, at 22:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Did you have to take the worktop with you to the DIY shop to get the superglue remover? >> Nx >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On 10 Aug 2022, at 19:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?A couple of weeks ago I was repairing something on my worktop and accidentally knocked over a bottle of SuperGlue. I immediately grabbed a tissue and wiped up the puddle and of course the inevitable happened! The tissue stuck to the worktop and also to my thumb! I have never felt pain like it! It was though I had put my thumb in a bunsen burner flame! After a lot of effort with SuperGlue remover I managed to clear up the mess and two weeks later my 1 cm. blister has finally drained and hardened so that I could cut off the dead skin. Lesson learned! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan > On 10 Aug 2022, at 23:18, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > Philip and Bee > > https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/ > >>> On 10 Aug 2022, at 22:51, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?I could tell you the story of a man who got superglue on his mouth, but my lips are sealed. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 10 Aug 2022, at 22:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Did you have to take the worktop with you to the DIY shop to get the superglue remover? >>> Nx >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>> On 10 Aug 2022, at 19:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?A couple of weeks ago I was repairing something on my worktop and accidentally knocked over a bottle of SuperGlue. I immediately grabbed a tissue and wiped up the puddle and of course the inevitable happened! The tissue stuck to the worktop and also to my thumb! I have never felt pain like it! It was though I had put my thumb in a bunsen burner flame! After a lot of effort with SuperGlue remover I managed to clear up the mess and two weeks later my 1 cm. blister has finally drained and hardened so that I could cut off the dead skin. Lesson learned! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems unlikely that anybody could grow their hair so rapidly. Any thoughts about who it is? Also any thoughts about who the PA and vision mixer in the gallery might be? They are both clearly featured multiple times. There?s also the guy sitting sideways on the other side of the glass. Most of the cameramen are rather obscured because of their habit of shoving their faces into the viewfinder. These are the best grabs I could find. On the film, I did like the little detail where on the CU of the transmission monitor, Chris Barry is reflected in the glass cuing the cuts. Alan > On 8 Aug 2022, at 11:22, Alan Taylor wrote: > ? > I felt confident that this clip would prompt a lively round of name that person, trying to identify the various people shown behind the scenes. > > As I was never based in studios, I can?t confidently identify many of those people. 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Geoff F On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 18:18, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > Not sure if she worked on this February 1968 one but Nola Schiff was > Vision Mixer on many of the late 1967 Z Cars episodes. > > >> -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Aug 11 12:54:15 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:54:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Somehow I seem to have missed this... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <912690D9-991B-40AA-942B-C55E10444735@me.com> I never knew Nola, but one useful thing about people with an unusual name is that it?s easier to find them on the internet. This is Nola?s picture from her Facebook profile and I think that the vision mixer pictured more than fifty years ago seems to be her. Do you agree? 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From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 6:50 PM To: David Brunt Cc: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Cameraman on right of frame looks like Stu Linley. Geoff F On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 18:18, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: Not sure if she worked on this February 1968 one but Nola Schiff was Vision Mixer on many of the late 1967 Z Cars episodes. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 04:17:42 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:17:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Just a Sound Guy by KEN MELLOR. Don't miss this unique book celebrating those behind the scenes who make the magic happen in the Film & TV Industry. In-Reply-To: <19ec2828859940c3c04e6e496.d952e422d9.20220812085934.90559bf528.8390dcc3@mail23.sea21.rsgsv.net> References: <19ec2828859940c3c04e6e496.d952e422d9.20220812085934.90559bf528.8390dcc3@mail23.sea21.rsgsv.net> Message-ID: <5cb44da8-6038-37b5-f45b-805a3c13ecd1@gmail.com> I know nothing about this, but it appeared in my inbox B -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Just a Sound Guy by KEN MELLOR. Don't miss this unique book celebrating those behind the scenes who make the magic happen in the Film & TV Industry. Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 08:59:48 +0000 From: Talking Pictures TV Reply-To: Talking Pictures TV To: bernie833 at gmail.com Just a Sound Guy by KEN MELLOR. Don't miss this unique book celebrating those behind the scenes who make the magic happen in the Film & TV Industry. Just a Sound Guy by KEN MELLOR. 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The boom is MR mini boom which moved with the department to Elstree in 1984 and went into Studio D together with a Fisher. The last I saw of it was in a garage at Elstree being used as a technical store room looking very sad for itself - de-stringed and with flat tyres! The producer - Ian Curtis - joined the TVT later on and was responsible for arranging training for outside organisations, particularly the police from Bramshill College. I remember him saying about the filming of the production that he had four film crews - two on the studio floor and two in the gallery - for the shoot, all being synchronised to studio pulses to stop frame bars. I recognised some names in the film crew credits, mainly the sound recordists. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 11:14:16 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 17:14:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Modern television, how it's made Message-ID: <0518c37c-d059-6b91-0025-96fa3bca2a2a@gmail.com> I just fell in to an episode of The Pioneer Woman on Food Network. There are a few cutaways to the crew - actually her family, using two phones on gimbals. It isn't quite as sharp as if they'd paid for fancy cameras, but they've sold the series to Food Network, so who cares? Can't see how the sound was done, but presumably a personal radio mic. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No need for much range if you?re shooting in a kitchen. Alan > On 12 Aug 2022, at 17:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I just fell in to an episode of The Pioneer Woman on Food Network. > > There are a few cutaways to the crew - actually her family, using two phones on gimbals. It isn't quite as sharp as if they'd paid for fancy cameras, but they've sold the series to Food Network, so who cares? > > Can't see how the sound was done, but presumably a personal radio mic. > > B > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In later years he ran Lammas Records: lammas.co.uk specialising in Organ and Choral recordings. I?ll update with any funeral details, when known. Colin Hassell colin at colinhassell.com +44-(0)7973-802722 St Albans, Herts, UK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Aug 12 16:56:15 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:56:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lance Andrews In-Reply-To: <36F9A9C6-88AF-4A80-8C19-BF20D04C89C6@colinhassell.com> References: <36F9A9C6-88AF-4A80-8C19-BF20D04C89C6@colinhassell.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hear that Colin. Have you let Barry Rose know that? brose80648 at aol.com Lance did for Barry, all the things I did for him at Guildford and St Pauls (and now). ?All round lovely human being? is Lance in a nutshell. I think he was on my Junior Tech Ops course. Either that or the STO course. Lance gets plenty of well earned mentions in Barry?s book ?Sitting on a Pin?. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad On 12 Aug 2022, at 22:21, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote: ? I am sorry to have to pass on the sad news that Lance Andrews, ex-BBC Sound Supervisor, Recording Engineer, family man, and all round lovely human being, died on Thursday at home in York - he was 82 years of age. I got to know Lance, and his family, many years ago whilst working at Television Centre, and also in St Albans where we both lived. He was St Albans Cathedral?s sound-man at the time and through that roped me, and a number of others, into helping at special events and services at the Cathedral. I have many happy memories of the things we did there, some of which were far more complex than the day job, at the time. In later years he ran Lammas Records: lammas.co.uk specialising in Organ and Choral recordings. I?ll update with any funeral details, when known. Colin Hassell colin at colinhassell.com +44-(0)7973-802722 St Albans, Herts, UK -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Aug 12 17:21:40 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:21:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lance Andrews In-Reply-To: <36F9A9C6-88AF-4A80-8C19-BF20D04C89C6@colinhassell.com> References: <36F9A9C6-88AF-4A80-8C19-BF20D04C89C6@colinhassell.com> Message-ID: <0B4B8FFAB941446FAED87F4ECD81D3C8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Lance was on my junior T.O. course (TO15) and as you and Nick observe was a perfect example of what a nice guy can be. Solid but with a great gentleness about him. As with all my old colleagues I can only see him as a relatively young man and looking again at the course photo feel sad at the increasing number no longer with us. This has been posted before but a nice reminder of those younger days ? Lance with Rex Palmer and Chris Wilden:- RIP Lance, Dave Newbitt. From: Colin Hassell via Tech1 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 10:21 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Lance Andrews I am sorry to have to pass on the sad news that Lance Andrews, ex-BBC Sound Supervisor, Recording Engineer, family man, and all round lovely human being, died on Thursday at home in York - he was 82 years of age. I got to know Lance, and his family, many years ago whilst working at Television Centre, and also in St Albans where we both lived. He was St Albans Cathedral?s sound-man at the time and through that roped me, and a number of others, into helping at special events and services at the Cathedral. I have many happy memories of the things we did there, some of which were far more complex than the day job, at the time. In later years he ran Lammas Records: lammas.co.uk specialising in Organ and Choral recordings. 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I got to know Lance, and his family, many years ago whilst working at Television Centre, and also in St Albans where we both lived. He was St Albans Cathedral?s sound-man at the time and through that roped me, and a number of others, into helping at special events and services at the Cathedral. I have many happy memories of the things we did there, some of which were far more complex than the day job, at the time. In later years he ran Lammas Records: lammas.co.uk specialising in Organ and Choral recordings. I?ll update with any funeral details, when known. Colin Hassell colin at colinhassell.com +44-(0)7973-802722 St Albans, Herts, UK -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: STC10.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 648741 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Aug 13 03:11:53 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 09:11:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lance Andrews In-Reply-To: <871E7EB3-6A81-49C4-88EF-5F89EF9BBF4A@keyinsite.co.uk> References: <871E7EB3-6A81-49C4-88EF-5F89EF9BBF4A@keyinsite.co.uk> Message-ID: <642EA127-9CA5-412C-97FB-EDD60EBC30EC@mac.com> Lance was a true gent - only too happy to share the benefit of his experience with young upstarts and equally happy to share his own equipment very freely. When I told him that I often recorded concerts given by the joint schools wind band that our kids played in, he was insistent that I should use his newly acquired, quite expensive digital kit and refused to accept any payment in return. Whilst I cannot recall the detail, I do hope that I showed my appreciation in an appropriate manner. He was such an unassuming individual, almost self-deprecating at times, but was very accomplished in every area he worked in. I recall that his live mixes for TOTP received great acclaim. Mike G > On 12 Aug 2022, at 23:55, Howard Jones via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Hi Colin > Thanks for letting us know. Very sad new > Lance was such a lovely gentle man > I have many happy memories working with him > Kind regards > Howard > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On 12 Aug 2022, at 23:22, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> I am sorry to have to pass on the sad news that Lance Andrews, ex-BBC Sound Supervisor, Recording Engineer, family man, and all round lovely human being, died on Thursday at home in York - he was 82 years of age. >> >> I got to know Lance, and his family, many years ago whilst working at Television Centre, and also in St Albans where we both lived. >> He was St Albans Cathedral?s sound-man at the time and through that roped me, and a number of others, into helping at special events and services at the Cathedral. >> I have many happy memories of the things we did there, some of which were far more complex than the day job, at the time. >> In later years he ran Lammas Records: >> lammas.co.uk >> specialising in Organ and Choral recordings. >> >> I?ll update with any funeral details, when known. >> >> >> Colin Hassell >> >> colin at colinhassell.com >> +44-(0)7973-802722 >> St Albans, Herts, UK >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Aug 13 04:53:50 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 10:53:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lance Andrews In-Reply-To: <36F9A9C6-88AF-4A80-8C19-BF20D04C89C6@colinhassell.com> References: <36F9A9C6-88AF-4A80-8C19-BF20D04C89C6@colinhassell.com> Message-ID: <5f9fa3ca-dac3-8fa2-3c2a-24849dcaacde@amps.net> Very sorry to learn the sad news of Lance's passing. We were contemporary denizens of the Gram Pool in the 60's, I remember him as a thoroughly competent and pleasant chap. RIP, Lance. Pat Heigham On 12/08/2022 22:21, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote: > I am sorry to have to pass on the sad news that Lance Andrews, ex-BBC > Sound Supervisor, Recording Engineer, family man, and all round lovely > human being, died on Thursday at home in York - he was 82 years of age. > > I got to know Lance, and his family, many years ago whilst working at > Television Centre, and also in St Albans where we both lived. > He was St Albans Cathedral?s sound-man at the time and through that > roped me, and a number of others, into helping at special events and > services at the Cathedral. > I have many happy memories of the things we did there, some of which > were far more complex than the day job, at the time. > In later years he ran Lammas Records: > lammas.co.uk > specialising in Organ? and Choral recordings. > > I?ll update with any funeral details, when known. > > > Colin Hassell > > colin at colinhassell.com > +44-(0)7973-802722 > St Albans, Herts, UK > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 16:03:59 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 22:03:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Something new to try Message-ID: My daughter took me to this today as a birthday present - https://phantompeak.com/ It's rather new, in that you can't do it without a smartphone, apart from the fact that it's a new concept anyway.? A good day out for all. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Sun Aug 14 06:32:16 2022 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:32:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Immersive Theatre Message-ID: Immersive theatre has been around for a while now (Punchdrunk were amongst the first with 'The Masque of the Red Death? in 2007). However, my granddaughter is now acting in another, ?The Gunpowder Plot? in the Tower of London Vaults. I would think the use of Virtual Reality Headsets has helped put spice into the experience. To be ?flown? across the 1605 Thames leaving solid ground behind can be quite exhilarating. To be in a rowing boat on the Thames being rammed is close to scarifying. I assume ?Phantom Peak? had similar experiences Bernie. Garth From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Aug 15 08:47:50 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 14:47:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bluetooth headset Message-ID: <30b01149-a772-acc4-507e-dde718f17ffd@davesound.co.uk> Hi chaps, ??????????????? I'd like a bluetooth headset (with mic) for use with my Android phone (and other things). Not in ear, but on ear. USB too would be good. I do have a USB cabled set I use with my laptop, so want similar but cordless. Good enough quality to use with the TV etc too if wanted. Curries seem to have a vast range at varying prices - but not all their online range available to look at /try at my local stores. So a recommendation would be useful. -- Dave P London SW From alanaudio at me.com Mon Aug 15 09:04:04 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 15:04:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bluetooth headset In-Reply-To: <30b01149-a772-acc4-507e-dde718f17ffd@davesound.co.uk> References: <30b01149-a772-acc4-507e-dde718f17ffd@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <8255E292-E8F5-48D0-9684-FFB89CF900E1@me.com> Richer sounds offer a selection. My wife bought so Sennheiser ones very cheaply and they are excellent. I wish I had bought some for me too., but that offer ended. Loads more though. Alan > On 15 Aug 2022, at 14:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Hi chaps, > > I'd like a bluetooth headset (with mic) for use with my Android phone (and other things). Not in ear, but on ear. USB too would be good. I do have a USB cabled set I use with my laptop, so want similar but cordless. Good enough quality to use with the TV etc too if wanted. Curries seem to have a vast range at varying prices - but not all their online range available to look at /try at my local stores. So a recommendation would be useful. > > -- > Dave P London > SW > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 09:19:16 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 15:19:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bluetooth headset In-Reply-To: <30b01149-a772-acc4-507e-dde718f17ffd@davesound.co.uk> References: <30b01149-a772-acc4-507e-dde718f17ffd@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: I bought a Bluetooth speaker last year but it was no good for video because of delay. B On Mon, 15 Aug 2022, 14:48 Dave Plowman via Tech1, wrote: > Hi chaps, > > I'd like a bluetooth headset (with mic) for use with my > Android phone (and other things). Not in ear, but on ear. USB too would > be good. I do have a USB cabled set I use with my laptop, so want > similar but cordless. Good enough quality to use with the TV etc too if > wanted. Curries seem to have a vast range at varying prices - but not > all their online range available to look at /try at my local stores. So > a recommendation would be useful. > > -- > Dave P London > SW > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Aug 16 00:15:21 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 06:15:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bluetooth headset In-Reply-To: <7b26f45a-68ae-ed74-4710-984fcd736db9@davesound.co.uk> References: <7b26f45a-68ae-ed74-4710-984fcd736db9@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: No noise cancelling or clever jiggery pokery. They are HiFi headphones but with a microphone discreetly built into the ear cup so that you can also make phone calls via your smart phone. It works surprisingly well too. https://www.richersounds.com/sennheiser-hd-250bt-black.html Just be aware that they don?t come with a charger, so you will need a USB charger, or a computer capable of charging a USB socket. That will be the default charger for future devices anyway. Janet got them for language learning, but uses them for watching foreign language movies on her iPad, or listening to music in the garden. If you?re used to Sennheiser HD 25 headphones, these will feel similar. Battery only needs to be charged infrequently, rarely more than once a week the way she uses them. Alan > On 15 Aug 2022, at 15:14, Dave Plowman wrote: > > ?Thanks Alan, I'll have a look there. I'm confused that may seem to be designed for speech in a noisy office etc and have noise cancelling. So may sound odd when used with the TV, etc? > >> On 15/08/2022 15:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Richer sounds offer a selection. >> >> My wife bought so Sennheiser ones very cheaply and they are excellent. I wish I had bought some for me too., but that offer ended. Loads more though. >> >> Alan >> >> >>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 14:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi chaps, >>> >>> I'd like a bluetooth headset (with mic) for use with my Android phone (and other things). Not in ear, but on ear. USB too would be good. I do have a USB cabled set I use with my laptop, so want similar but cordless. Good enough quality to use with the TV etc too if wanted. Curries seem to have a vast range at varying prices - but not all their online range available to look at /try at my local stores. So a recommendation would be useful. >>> >>> -- >>> Dave P London >>> SW >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Dave P London > SW > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Aug 16 00:33:46 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 06:33:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bluetooth headset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I meant to say it needs a USB C charger, with the smaller plug which can go in either way up. Somehow the ?C? never happened. Alan > On 16 Aug 2022, at 06:15, Alan Taylor wrote: > > ? > No noise cancelling or clever jiggery pokery. They are HiFi headphones but with a microphone discreetly built into the ear cup so that you can also make phone calls via your smart phone. It works surprisingly well too. > > https://www.richersounds.com/sennheiser-hd-250bt-black.html > > Just be aware that they don?t come with a charger, so you will need a USB charger, or a computer capable of charging a USB socket. That will be the default charger for future devices anyway. > > Janet got them for language learning, but uses them for watching foreign language movies on her iPad, or listening to music in the garden. If you?re used to Sennheiser HD 25 headphones, these will feel similar. Battery only needs to be charged infrequently, rarely more than once a week the way she uses them. > > Alan > >>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 15:14, Dave Plowman wrote: >>> >> ?Thanks Alan, I'll have a look there. I'm confused that may seem to be designed for speech in a noisy office etc and have noise cancelling. So may sound odd when used with the TV, etc? >> >>> On 15/08/2022 15:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> Richer sounds offer a selection. >>> >>> My wife bought so Sennheiser ones very cheaply and they are excellent. I wish I had bought some for me too., but that offer ended. Loads more though. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 14:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi chaps, >>>> >>>> I'd like a bluetooth headset (with mic) for use with my Android phone (and other things). Not in ear, but on ear. USB too would be good. I do have a USB cabled set I use with my laptop, so want similar but cordless. Good enough quality to use with the TV etc too if wanted. Curries seem to have a vast range at varying prices - but not all their online range available to look at /try at my local stores. So a recommendation would be useful. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave P London >>>> SW >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Dave P London >> SW >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Aug 16 03:35:48 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:35:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bluetooth headset In-Reply-To: References: <7b26f45a-68ae-ed74-4710-984fcd736db9@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <12de8d86-2768-1e97-6757-bb655e4f6fb6@davesound.co.uk> Thanks, Alan. No mention anywhere in the spec etc that it has a mic too? On 16/08/2022 06:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > No noise cancelling or clever jiggery pokery. ?They are HiFi > headphones but with a microphone discreetly built into the ear cup so > that you can also make phone calls via your smart phone. ?It works > surprisingly well too. > > https://www.richersounds.com/sennheiser-hd-250bt-black.html > > Just be aware that they don?t come with a charger, so you will need a > USB charger, or a computer capable of charging a USB socket. That will > be the default charger for future devices anyway. > > Janet got them for language learning, but uses them for watching > foreign language movies on her iPad, or listening to music in the > garden. If you?re used to Sennheiser HD 25 headphones, these will feel > similar. Battery only needs to be charged infrequently, rarely more > than once a week the way she uses them. > > Alan > >> On 15 Aug 2022, at 15:14, Dave Plowman wrote: >> >> ?Thanks Alan, I'll have a look there. I'm confused that may seem to >> be designed for speech in a noisy office etc and have noise >> cancelling. So may sound odd when used with the TV, etc? >> >> On 15/08/2022 15:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> Richer sounds offer a selection. >>> >>> My wife bought so Sennheiser ones very cheaply and they are >>> excellent. I wish I had bought some for me too., but that offer >>> ended. Loads more though. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 14:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hi chaps, >>>> >>>> ????????????????I'd like a bluetooth headset (with mic) for use >>>> with my Android phone (and other things). Not in ear, but on ear. >>>> USB too would be good. I do have a USB cabled set I use with my >>>> laptop, so want similar but cordless. Good enough quality to use >>>> with the TV etc too if wanted. Curries seem to have a vast range at >>>> varying prices - but not all their online range available to look >>>> at /try at my local stores. So a recommendation would be useful. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave P >>>> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????London >>>> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????SW >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Dave P ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????London >> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????SW >> > -- Dave P London SW From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 03:56:58 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:56:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Immersive Theatre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That seems like fun.? I'll look it up - I like a good immersive experience. B On 14/08/2022 12:32, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > Immersive theatre has been around for a while now (Punchdrunk were amongst the first with 'The Masque of the Red Death? in 2007). However, my granddaughter is now acting in another, ?The Gunpowder Plot? in the Tower of London Vaults. I would think the use of Virtual Reality Headsets has helped put spice into the experience. To be ?flown? across the 1605 Thames leaving solid ground behind can be quite exhilarating. To be in a rowing boat on the Thames being rammed is close to scarifying. I assume ?Phantom Peak? had similar experiences Bernie. > > Garth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Aug 16 04:08:55 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:08:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bluetooth headset In-Reply-To: <12de8d86-2768-1e97-6757-bb655e4f6fb6@davesound.co.uk> References: <7b26f45a-68ae-ed74-4710-984fcd736db9@davesound.co.uk> <12de8d86-2768-1e97-6757-bb655e4f6fb6@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Something to be aware of: In some bluetooth-capable phones, iPads etc., you may find that the internal volume control affects the analogue headphone jack but not the bluetooth or USB outputs. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > On 16 Aug 2022, at 09:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Thanks, Alan. No mention anywhere in the spec etc that it has a mic too? > >> On 16/08/2022 06:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> No noise cancelling or clever jiggery pokery. They are HiFi headphones but with a microphone discreetly built into the ear cup so that you can also make phone calls via your smart phone. It works surprisingly well too. >> >> https://www.richersounds.com/sennheiser-hd-250bt-black.html >> >> Just be aware that they don?t come with a charger, so you will need a USB charger, or a computer capable of charging a USB socket. That will be the default charger for future devices anyway. >> >> Janet got them for language learning, but uses them for watching foreign language movies on her iPad, or listening to music in the garden. If you?re used to Sennheiser HD 25 headphones, these will feel similar. Battery only needs to be charged infrequently, rarely more than once a week the way she uses them. >> >> Alan >> >>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 15:14, Dave Plowman wrote: >>> >>> ?Thanks Alan, I'll have a look there. I'm confused that may seem to be designed for speech in a noisy office etc and have noise cancelling. So may sound odd when used with the TV, etc? >>> >>> On 15/08/2022 15:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Richer sounds offer a selection. >>>> >>>> My wife bought so Sennheiser ones very cheaply and they are excellent. I wish I had bought some for me too., but that offer ended. Loads more though. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 14:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hi chaps, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like a bluetooth headset (with mic) for use with my Android phone (and other things). Not in ear, but on ear. USB too would be good. I do have a USB cabled set I use with my laptop, so want similar but cordless. Good enough quality to use with the TV etc too if wanted. Curries seem to have a vast range at varying prices - but not all their online range available to look at /try at my local stores. So a recommendation would be useful. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dave P London >>>>> SW >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Dave P London >>> SW >>> >> > -- > Dave P London > SW > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Aug 16 09:42:03 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:42:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bluetooth headset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Somebody who reviewed them referred to noise cancellation but I think they are mistaken. Manufacturers make no claims about noise cancelling, no mention of it in manual ( available on line ) and no mention of it on the app. The app only offers options for EQ and a fairly rudimentary 3 channel EQ at that. Delay will depend as much as anything on the Bluetooth transmitter and exact protocol it uses. It seems good to me, but I don?t know what BT standard is being used here. On most Apple devices, the volume settings are aware of how you?re listening. The speaker setting will be as you used it before, the Bluetooth will remember the last volume setting for BT, while if you plug in hard wired headphones it remembers that setting as well. Alan > On 16 Aug 2022, at 10:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Something to be aware of: In some bluetooth-capable phones, iPads etc., you may find that the internal volume control affects the analogue headphone jack but not the bluetooth or USB outputs. > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > >> On 16 Aug 2022, at 09:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Thanks, Alan. No mention anywhere in the spec etc that it has a mic too? >> >>>> On 16/08/2022 06:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> No noise cancelling or clever jiggery pokery. They are HiFi headphones but with a microphone discreetly built into the ear cup so that you can also make phone calls via your smart phone. It works surprisingly well too. >>> >>> https://www.richersounds.com/sennheiser-hd-250bt-black.html >>> >>> Just be aware that they don?t come with a charger, so you will need a USB charger, or a computer capable of charging a USB socket. That will be the default charger for future devices anyway. >>> >>> Janet got them for language learning, but uses them for watching foreign language movies on her iPad, or listening to music in the garden. If you?re used to Sennheiser HD 25 headphones, these will feel similar. Battery only needs to be charged infrequently, rarely more than once a week the way she uses them. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 15:14, Dave Plowman wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Thanks Alan, I'll have a look there. I'm confused that may seem to be designed for speech in a noisy office etc and have noise cancelling. So may sound odd when used with the TV, etc? >>>> >>>> On 15/08/2022 15:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Richer sounds offer a selection. >>>>> >>>>> My wife bought so Sennheiser ones very cheaply and they are excellent. I wish I had bought some for me too., but that offer ended. Loads more though. >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Aug 2022, at 14:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Hi chaps, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like a bluetooth headset (with mic) for use with my Android phone (and other things). Not in ear, but on ear. USB too would be good. I do have a USB cabled set I use with my laptop, so want similar but cordless. Good enough quality to use with the TV etc too if wanted. Curries seem to have a vast range at varying prices - but not all their online range available to look at /try at my local stores. So a recommendation would be useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dave P London >>>>>> SW >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave P London >>>> SW >>>> >>> >> -- >> Dave P London >> SW >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jan.goldring at me.com Wed Aug 17 11:17:40 2022 From: jan.goldring at me.com (Janis Goldring) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:17:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Last night Message-ID: <454F0486-9802-40CE-8D43-CDEBABC38A41@me.com> We went to Wembley Stadium to a Coldplay gig and bought a programme, where we saw that Mark Cruikshank was he Camera Supervisor for all their videos! Peter goldring ( and Janis.!) Sent from my iPad From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Aug 17 15:39:35 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:39:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Biddy Message-ID: <26693127-920a-d061-1ebc-ccff74bd6fa8@btinternet.com> I don't know if Bob Foley (gram op) is on this group but she used to call him 'Bobbles', he might have some stories about her famously leading with her crotch! Cheers, Dave From colin at colinhassell.com Thu Aug 18 05:50:04 2022 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 11:50:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lance Andrews In-Reply-To: <642EA127-9CA5-412C-97FB-EDD60EBC30EC@mac.com> References: <871E7EB3-6A81-49C4-88EF-5F89EF9BBF4A@keyinsite.co.uk> <642EA127-9CA5-412C-97FB-EDD60EBC30EC@mac.com> Message-ID: <9DD9A228-5F54-4748-B144-E72D1DF06E6F@colinhassell.com> Hello all To follow up: Thank you David & Dave for the photographs, which I have passed on to Lance?s family. Mary has confirmed the funeral details: Lance Andrews Died on 11th August 2022 at home, 118 The Mount, York. The funeral will be on Wednesday 24th August 2022 at 12 noon St. Clement?s Church, Scarcroft Road, York, YO23 1NE Lance?s body will be taken into the church on Tuesday 23rd August at 3.30 pm. There will be refreshments in the church after the service? time to reminisce. No flowers please, donations to SASH (Safe and Sound Homes) www.sash-uk.org.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> ? >>> I am sorry to have to pass on the sad news that Lance Andrews, ex-BBC Sound Supervisor, Recording Engineer, family man, and all round lovely human being, died on Thursday at home in York - he was 82 years of age. >>> >>> I got to know Lance, and his family, many years ago whilst working at Television Centre, and also in St Albans where we both lived. >>> He was St Albans Cathedral?s sound-man at the time and through that roped me, and a number of others, into helping at special events and services at the Cathedral. >>> I have many happy memories of the things we did there, some of which were far more complex than the day job, at the time. >>> In later years he ran Lammas Records: >>> lammas.co.uk >>> specialising in Organ and Choral recordings. >>> >>> I?ll update with any funeral details, when known. >>> >>> Colin Hassell colin at colinhassell.com +44-(0)7973-802722 St Albans, Herts, UK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Fri Aug 19 07:52:10 2022 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 13:52:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] XLR cable Message-ID: This from Brian Rose on the GTC forum - https://yorkshireav.co.uk/products/audioquest-dragon-analogue-xlr-cables?currency=GBP&variant=42735827189891&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0_r9-tfS-QIVhe3tCh2T7QGqEAQYAiABEgISjPD_BwE Yet again I seem to be in the wrong job... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Very reassuring! > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2022 1:52 PM > *To:* Tech Ops List > *Subject:* [Tech1] XLR cable > This from Brian Rose on the GTC forum - > > https://yorkshireav.co.uk/products/audioquest-dragon-analogue-xlr-cables?currency=GBP&variant=42735827189891&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0_r9-tfS-QIVhe3tCh2T7QGqEAQYAiABEgISjPD_BwE > > Yet again I seem to be in the wrong job... > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* > / > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Dave P London SW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Out of stock, and simpler to put up the price to one none would pay, than to pull the ad and start it again when stocks arrive? On 19/08/2022 16:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: I see they offer alternatives from as little as ?2,700. Very reassuring! Dave Newbitt. From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 1:52 PM To: Tech Ops List Subject: [Tech1] XLR cable This from Brian Rose on the GTC forum - https://yorkshireav.co.uk/products/audioquest-dragon-analogue-xlr-cables?currency=GBP&variant=42735827189891&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0_r9-tfS-QIVhe3tCh2T7QGqEAQYAiABEgISjPD_BwE Yet again I seem to be in the wrong job... 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Perhaps it's because I don't watch > soaps, so I don't know any. > > Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! > > Pat > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Aug 20 11:05:45 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 17:05:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28072028-25df-f915-da83-53a3d14ef770@amps.net> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! Now _that's_ celebrity! Pat On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: > It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a > celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that > no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, > are not used so often. > > KW > > On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no > longer recognise the 'celebs' > on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't > watch soaps, so I don't know any. > > Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! > > Pat > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hugh > On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. > > The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' > > When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! > > Now that's celebrity! > > Pat > >> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >> >> KW >> >> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>> >>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Aug 20 13:48:31 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 19:48:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old In-Reply-To: <40E4A414-D949-4476-9AE9-EE2B19AF5A5E@talktalk.net> References: <40E4A414-D949-4476-9AE9-EE2B19AF5A5E@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <51F926B1-CE0E-4FD0-8C18-B503ED89FF80@me.com> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. Alan > On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . > > Hugh > >>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. >> >> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' >> >> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >> >> Now that's celebrity! >> >> Pat >> >>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >>> >>> KW >>> >>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>>> >>>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The decline starts when they appear on Antiques road trip, later they have a minor part in pantomime in Slough where their credit on the poster reminds readers why they were famous ( played the part of girlfriend of a taxi driver in Coronation street - two episodes, August 2013 ). Finally they end up cutting the ribbon on new branches of Gala Bingo Halls or switch on the Christmas lights in a Shropshire village. They never become normal. It?s an incurable condition. As for celebrity grumpy gits, I am well qualified to join you in that category and I?m sure many others here would join us too. I?m not sure if I?ve told my Chegwin story before, but my daughter used to be part of the youth theatre group at the Watermill Theatre near Newbury. She starred in some of their productions. Therefore when she married, we though that the Watermill, with it?s personal connection, gorgeous gardens and riverside setting would be a perfect venue for the reception. The only problem was that it was an active theatre with a performance in the evening, so we all had to leave by 17:00. The production at that time was a play which featured a brief walk-on part with a celebrity playing them self. Each night had a different celeb. On the day of her wedding, it was Keith Chegwin. Cheggers had been asked to arrive a couple of hours before the performance in order to rehearse etc. I spotted him when he was driven into the car park and stopped by the house/office which would be where he would need to report to. He had noticed a group of about eighty people waiting by the theatre. He assumed it was a group of autograph hunters, so he spent a moment in the car, preening his hair and getting ready to greet his fans. Then a young couple got into a car, drove away, everybody waved them off, kissed each other and disappeared into their cars without even noticing Cheggers. He walked, somewhat crestfallen towards the office. Alan > On 20 Aug 2022, at 23:18, B Wilkinson > wrote: > > ?I totally agree, as soon as the title including the word ?Celebrity? appears on my tv it is change channel time. I wonder hos you can achieve celebrity status, do they go to University to study it? And at some stage in their lives do they suddenly get demoted to being a normal person? It must really hurt when after being worshipped for many years nobody wants to see or meet you again. > Is there a celebrity grumpy old git category? I think I am fully qualified for that role. > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 20:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. >> >> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. >> >> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >> >> Alan >> >> >>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>> >>> Hugh >>> >>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>> >>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' >>>> >>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>> >>>> Now that's celebrity! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. 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I've no proble with expensive houses of artistes, they've worked hard for their rewards, but what the maintenance must cost! And how much goes in death duties, too? Shot an interview with Timothy Dalton, after his outings as Bond. This was in Rome. He realised that my cameraman and I were speaking English, so as the rest of his feature crew were Italian, he asked if he could hang out with us for the rest of the day! Nice guy. I was scared of Glenda Jackson, as she came over as being somewhat fierce. I worked with her in Vienna (Jack Gold directing) and they wanted rain! GJ was wearing a splendid open weave woollen scarf - ideal to place the mic under it, but the rain on the material soon made it sodden, and muffled. I was forever going up and drying off the scarf, squeezing out the moisture, when Glenda remarked that we should have little rain hats for the mics. Forgetting that she once worked behind the counter in Boots I believe, I answered that we did, and bought them in packets of three from the chemist! She retaliated by announcing that "Here am I, taking a great interest in the technicalities, when not only do I get put down, but it's an _obscene_ put down!" She was great though, as when the crew came to a screening at BAFTA, in the bar, she advanced upon me, arms wide, saying: "Where's my hug, then?" Pat On 20/08/2022 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . ?She > did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens > in the Family. ?She was an absolute delight to work with. > > As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about > what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing > habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not > at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. > > As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but > act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who > they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business > executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the > lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. > > Alan > > >> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on >> Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >> >> Hugh >> >>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's >>> daughter reminiscing about her father. >>> >>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with >>> 'If I Ruled the World' >>> >>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty >>> because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>> >>> Now _that's_ celebrity! >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a >>>> celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme >>>> that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, >>>> therefore, are not used so often. >>>> >>>> KW >>>> >>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no >>>> longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't >>>> watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>>> >>>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Aug 21 05:15:41 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 11:15:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old In-Reply-To: References: <40E4A414-D949-4476-9AE9-EE2B19AF5A5E@talktalk.net> <51F926B1-CE0E-4FD0-8C18-B503ED89FF80@me.com> Message-ID: Did a series of dramas with Kenneth More in the 1970s, at the end he took the whole production and technical crew out to dinner at the Italian restaurant in Shepherds Bush. ? Graeme Wall > On 21 Aug 2022, at 10:47, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Well said, Alan. > > (Pat's stories for Sunday....) > > 'Real Celebs' can be splendid people. > I cite the late Roger Moore as being a great bloke when I worked with him. > > I've a lot of time for Michael Caine, too. He was always on time on set, knew his lines. > > He lives near me in Leatherhead. His house is worth ?5m, according to a list of celebs' > dwellings. However he is not too proud to patronise the local chippie in Bookham, which is > coincidentally named 'MIchaels'! > > Shot an interview with him at Shepperton, he was in no hurry to get away, so a very > pleasant chit-chat while we wrapped up. > > I've no proble with expensive houses of artistes, they've worked hard for their rewards, > > but what the maintenance must cost! And how much goes in death duties, too? > > Shot an interview with Timothy Dalton, after his outings as Bond. This was in Rome. > > He realised that my cameraman and I were speaking English, so as the rest of his feature > crew were Italian, he asked if he could hang out with us for the rest of the day! > Nice guy. > > I was scared of Glenda Jackson, as she came over as being somewhat fierce. > I worked with her in Vienna (Jack Gold directing) and they wanted rain! GJ was wearing a splendid open weave woollen scarf > - ideal to place the mic under it, but the rain on the material soon made it sodden, and muffled. > I was forever going up and drying off the scarf, squeezing out the moisture, > when Glenda remarked that we should have little rain hats for the mics. > Forgetting that she once worked behind the counter in Boots I believe, > I answered that we did, and bought them in packets of three from the chemist! > She retaliated by announcing that "Here am I, taking a great interest in the technicalities, when > not only do I get put down, but it's an obscene put down!" > She was great though, as when the crew came to a screening at BAFTA, in the bar, she advanced upon me, arms wide, saying: > "Where's my hug, then?" > Pat > > > On 20/08/2022 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. >> >> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. >> >> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >> >> Alan >> >> >>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>> >>> Hugh >>> >>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>> >>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' >>>> >>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>> >>>> Now that's celebrity! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >>>>> >>>>> KW >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>>>> >>>>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Aug 21 05:20:55 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 11:20:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old In-Reply-To: References: <40E4A414-D949-4476-9AE9-EE2B19AF5A5E@talktalk.net> <51F926B1-CE0E-4FD0-8C18-B503ED89FF80@me.com> Message-ID: Sorry for the confusing changes of font size! Trying to get my head around Thunderbird - doesn't always format the way I expect. Pat On 21/08/2022 10:47, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Well said, Alan. > > (Pat's stories for Sunday....) > > 'Real Celebs' can be splendid people. > I cite the late Roger Moore as being a great bloke when I worked with him. > > I've a lot of time for Michael Caine, too. He was always on time on > set, knew his lines. > > He lives near me in Leatherhead. His house is worth ?5m, according to > a list of celebs' > dwellings. However he is not too proud to patronise the local chippie > in Bookham, which is > coincidentally named 'MIchaels'! > > Shot an interview with him at Shepperton, he was in no hurry to get > away, so a very > pleasant chit-chat while we wrapped up. > > I've no proble with expensive houses of artistes, they've worked hard > for their rewards, > > but what the maintenance must cost! And how much goes in death duties, > too? > > Shot an interview with Timothy Dalton, after his outings as Bond. This > was in Rome. > > He realised that my cameraman and I were speaking English, so as the > rest of his feature > crew were Italian, he asked if he could hang out with us for the rest > of the day! > Nice guy. > > I was scared of Glenda Jackson, as she came over as being somewhat fierce. > I worked with her in Vienna (Jack Gold directing) and they wanted > rain! GJ was wearing a splendid open weave woollen scarf > - ideal to place the mic under it, but the rain on the material soon > made it sodden, and muffled. > I was forever going up and drying off the scarf, squeezing out the > moisture, > when Glenda remarked that we should have little rain hats for the mics. > Forgetting that she once worked behind the counter in Boots I believe, > I answered that we did, and bought them in packets of three from the > chemist! > She retaliated by announcing that "Here am I, taking a great interest > in the technicalities, when > not only do I get put down, but it's an _obscene_ put down!" > > She was great though, as when the crew came to a screening at BAFTA, > in the bar, she advanced upon me, arms wide, saying: > > "Where's my hug, then?" > > Pat > > > On 20/08/2022 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . ?She >> did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens >> in the Family. ?She was an absolute delight to work with. >> >> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about >> what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing >> habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m >> not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. >> >> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but >> act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who >> they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business >> executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the >> lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >> >> Alan >> >> >>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him >>> on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>> >>> Hugh >>> >>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's >>>> daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>> >>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with >>>> 'If I Ruled the World' >>>> >>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty >>>> because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>> >>>> Now _that's_ celebrity! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a >>>>> celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme >>>>> that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, >>>>> therefore, are not used so often. >>>>> >>>>> KW >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no >>>>> longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't >>>>> watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>>>> >>>>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Aug 21 05:31:06 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 11:31:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old In-Reply-To: References: <40E4A414-D949-4476-9AE9-EE2B19AF5A5E@talktalk.net> <51F926B1-CE0E-4FD0-8C18-B503ED89FF80@me.com> Message-ID: <4b311021-078b-b174-2551-7d19483091be@amps.net> Very nice to hear. I'm afraid that my encounter with Kenneth was not so pleasant: There were moments when I made the most appalling mistakes. In Riverside ? a play set during WW1, with Kenneth More, my least favourite actor. Why? A play at Riverside Studios? - set during the First World War. Me - on Grams A sequence of receiving a letter triggers a memory, played in as an audio track. Shot of letter opened CU More's face CU Letter opening CU More's face (2) Cue audio track. I got it wrong and cued the sequence on the first cut to his face. It was not assembled as a prerecorded sequence but was a mixture of tape/grams, so it could be modified as required. More stopped the take, and announced that Grams had made a mistake. I knew I had made a mistake. My Sound Supervisor knew I had made a mistake. The Director knew I had made a mistake. But More didn't have to tell the whole f***ing studio. Later, I put him down as an alibi merchant. (Luckily I never worked with him again). Pat On 21/08/2022 11:15, Graeme Wall wrote: > Did a series of dramas with Kenneth More in the 1970s, at the end he took the whole production and technical crew out to dinner at the Italian restaurant in Shepherds Bush. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 21 Aug 2022, at 10:47, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Well said, Alan. >> >> (Pat's stories for Sunday....) >> >> 'Real Celebs' can be splendid people. >> I cite the late Roger Moore as being a great bloke when I worked with him. >> >> I've a lot of time for Michael Caine, too. He was always on time on set, knew his lines. >> >> He lives near me in Leatherhead. His house is worth ?5m, according to a list of celebs' >> dwellings. However he is not too proud to patronise the local chippie in Bookham, which is >> coincidentally named 'MIchaels'! >> >> Shot an interview with him at Shepperton, he was in no hurry to get away, so a very >> pleasant chit-chat while we wrapped up. >> >> I've no proble with expensive houses of artistes, they've worked hard for their rewards, >> >> but what the maintenance must cost! And how much goes in death duties, too? >> >> Shot an interview with Timothy Dalton, after his outings as Bond. This was in Rome. >> >> He realised that my cameraman and I were speaking English, so as the rest of his feature >> crew were Italian, he asked if he could hang out with us for the rest of the day! >> Nice guy. >> >> I was scared of Glenda Jackson, as she came over as being somewhat fierce. >> I worked with her in Vienna (Jack Gold directing) and they wanted rain! GJ was wearing a splendid open weave woollen scarf >> - ideal to place the mic under it, but the rain on the material soon made it sodden, and muffled. >> I was forever going up and drying off the scarf, squeezing out the moisture, >> when Glenda remarked that we should have little rain hats for the mics. >> Forgetting that she once worked behind the counter in Boots I believe, >> I answered that we did, and bought them in packets of three from the chemist! >> She retaliated by announcing that "Here am I, taking a great interest in the technicalities, when >> not only do I get put down, but it's an obscene put down!" >> She was great though, as when the crew came to a screening at BAFTA, in the bar, she advanced upon me, arms wide, saying: >> "Where's my hug, then?" >> Pat >> >> >> On 20/08/2022 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. >>> >>> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. >>> >>> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>>> >>>> Hugh >>>> >>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>>> >>>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' >>>>> >>>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>>> >>>>> Now that's celebrity! >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >>>>>> >>>>>> KW >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>>>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>>>>> >>>>>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Aug 21 08:04:31 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:04:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old In-Reply-To: <76723C5F-07A9-49E5-B868-B6F880C97EB2@me.com> References: <76723C5F-07A9-49E5-B868-B6F880C97EB2@me.com> Message-ID: <7CC919B7-2F99-4B53-9363-EE10E9CA9EE6@me.com> Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. Alan > On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: > > ? > Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? > > Garth > >> On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. >> >> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. >> >> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >> >> Alan >> >> >>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>> >>> Hugh >>> >>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>> >>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' >>>> >>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>> >>>> Now that's celebrity! >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >>>>> >>>>> KW >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>>>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>>>>> >>>>>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Aug 21 09:57:22 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:57:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Foreign jokes Message-ID: You were always a joker, Alan. I remember your time in Moscow and the 'wild goose chase' and leaving the recorder running through the X-ray scanner! I bet the KGB were glad when you all left! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Aug 21 10:02:15 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:02:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fonts In-Reply-To: References: <40E4A414-D949-4476-9AE9-EE2B19AF5A5E@talktalk.net> <51F926B1-CE0E-4FD0-8C18-B503ED89FF80@me.com> Message-ID: <08cf11a2-858b-a062-6128-31a9d535d720@btinternet.com> Yes, a few weeks ago your e-mails' font suddenly changed to a much bigger one, naturally we thought that you wanted your name-dropping posts to stand out from the rest of our mere mortals' posts! (Joke!) Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Sun Aug 21 11:18:26 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:18:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fonts In-Reply-To: <08cf11a2-858b-a062-6128-31a9d535d720@btinternet.com> References: <08cf11a2-858b-a062-6128-31a9d535d720@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Tee-hee! Even I can tell you a good Bond story - - - - - Yes indeedy, 4x ?25 this month! Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > On 21 Aug 2022, at 16:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Yes, a few weeks ago your e-mails' font suddenly changed to a much bigger one, naturally we thought that you wanted your name-dropping posts to stand out from the rest of our mere mortals' posts! (Joke!) Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Aug 21 11:36:08 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 17:36:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old In-Reply-To: <7CC919B7-2F99-4B53-9363-EE10E9CA9EE6@me.com> References: <76723C5F-07A9-49E5-B868-B6F880C97EB2@me.com> <7CC919B7-2F99-4B53-9363-EE10E9CA9EE6@me.com> Message-ID: <7F3B7AB4B4B84EAE97D0812E8DC43F33@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> This (from Wiktionary) seems to sum it up quite nicely: Famous for being famous. (derogatory) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame based on achievements, skill, or talent. Etymology The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world called The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America (1961), by historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim Kardashian seems to be a front runner. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. Alan On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: ? Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? Garth On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. Alan On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: ? He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . Hugh On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: ? 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Even I can tell you a good Bond story - - - - - Yes indeedy, 4x ?25 this month! > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad From techtone at protonmail.com Sun Aug 21 15:31:16 2022 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:31:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fonts In-Reply-To: <08cf11a2-858b-a062-6128-31a9d535d720@btinternet.com> References: <40E4A414-D949-4476-9AE9-EE2B19AF5A5E@talktalk.net> <51F926B1-CE0E-4FD0-8C18-B503ED89FF80@me.com> <08cf11a2-858b-a062-6128-31a9d535d720@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Every church should have one. And since their function is usually for Christening, I was interested to find out that one of our congregation was attending a Christening in Criccieth today which was being conducted in the sea. At least the weather was benign, no idea if the tide was in or out (could be a long walk if out). I hope to find out how things went when I next see her. TeaTeaFN - Tony From barryaustin2000 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 22 02:50:06 2022 From: barryaustin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (Barry Austin) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 08:50:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old References: Message-ID: ? ?Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. Is it me ? Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. I?m reminded of an old Tony Hancock script that I listened to on the steam radio as a mere lad, and no, that?s not my claim to fame. The Hancock character was the epitome of the pompous nobody, or ?pointless celebrity?, as we?d say today. He?d somehow got a non speaking part as tenth soldier, or some such, in a production of Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier, and was regaling at great length how famously he got on with Olivier to Sid James and Bill Kerr in the pub that night. ? I says to Larry, ?cos that?s what his mates call him, Larry, your playing Hamlet all wrong?. ? Hows that? he says. ? Well, I says, you make it a dead miserable story, you?ll never get any laughs playing it that way !? It was probably funnier 60 plus years ago! Barry Blame me, I voted leave ! Sent from my iPad > On 21 Aug 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > ? > This (from Wiktionary) seems to sum it up quite nicely: > > Famous for being famous. > > (derogatory) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame based on achievements, skill, or talent. > > Etymology > The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world called The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America (1961), by historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". > > > > There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim Kardashian seems to be a front runner. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old > > Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. > > I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. > > I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. > > Alan > > >> On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: >> ? >> Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? >> Garth >> >>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. >>> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. >>> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >>> Alan >>> >>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ? >>>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>>> Hugh >>>> >>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ? >>>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>>> >>>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' >>>>> >>>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>>> >>>>> Now that's celebrity! >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >>>>>> KW >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>>>>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nickrodger at mac.com Mon Aug 22 02:57:38 2022 From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 08:57:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> No, it?s not only you. Although, if you did vote leave it?s definitely your fault. Nick Rodger Cameraman (Retired) 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! Don?t blame me!! I voted Remain ?? On 22 Aug 2022, at 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: ? ? ?Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. Is it me ? Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. I?m reminded of an old Tony Hancock script that I listened to on the steam radio as a mere lad, and no, that?s not my claim to fame. The Hancock character was the epitome of the pompous nobody, or ?pointless celebrity?, as we?d say today. He?d somehow got a non speaking part as tenth soldier, or some such, in a production of Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier, and was regaling at great length how famously he got on with Olivier to Sid James and Bill Kerr in the pub that night. ? I says to Larry, ?cos that?s what his mates call him, Larry, your playing Hamlet all wrong?. ? Hows that? he says. ? Well, I says, you make it a dead miserable story, you?ll never get any laughs playing it that way !? It was probably funnier 60 plus years ago! Barry Blame me, I voted leave ! Sent from my iPad > On 21 Aug 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > This (from Wiktionary) seems to sum it up quite nicely: > > Famous for being famous. > > (derogatory) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame based on achievements, skill, or talent. > > Etymology > The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world called The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America (1961), by historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". > > > > There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim Kardashian seems to be a front runner. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old > > Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. > > I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. > > I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. > > Alan > > >> On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: >> >> ? >> Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? >> Garth >> >>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. >>> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. >>> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >>> Alan >>> >>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>>> Hugh >>>> >>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>>> >>>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' >>>>> >>>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>>> >>>>> Now that's celebrity! >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >>>>>> KW >>>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>>>>> on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Aug 22 04:00:16 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 10:00:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> Message-ID: <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Nothing wrong with being curmudgeonly ? often the basis of where the truth lies. A privilege to be old enough to indulge in the syndrome for the enlightenment of younger members of our society. Judging from Barry and Nick?s contributions you chaps also have a class act in wit going in this topic. Could become famous! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Rodger via Tech1 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 8:57 AM To: Barry Austin Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old No, it?s not only you. Although, if you did vote leave it?s definitely your fault. Nick Rodger Cameraman (Retired) 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! Don?t blame me!! I voted Remain ?? On 22 Aug 2022, at 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: ? ? ?Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. Is it me ? Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. I?m reminded of an old Tony Hancock script that I listened to on the steam radio as a mere lad, and no, that?s not my claim to fame. The Hancock character was the epitome of the pompous nobody, or ?pointless celebrity?, as we?d say today. He?d somehow got a non speaking part as tenth soldier, or some such, in a production of Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier, and was regaling at great length how famously he got on with Olivier to Sid James and Bill Kerr in the pub that night. ? I says to Larry, ?cos that?s what his mates call him, Larry, your playing Hamlet all wrong?. ? Hows that? he says. ? Well, I says, you make it a dead miserable story, you?ll never get any laughs playing it that way !? It was probably funnier 60 plus years ago! Barry Blame me, I voted leave ! Sent from my iPad On 21 Aug 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? This (from Wiktionary) seems to sum it up quite nicely: Famous for being famous. (derogatory) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame based on achievements, skill, or talent. Etymology The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world called The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America (1961), by historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim Kardashian seems to be a front runner. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. Alan On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: ? Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? Garth On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. Alan On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: ? He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . Hugh On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! Now that's celebrity! Pat On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. KW On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! 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I actually had the opportunity to exchange a few words with the Pope?. The barber was impressed and enquired ?what did the Pope say?? He said ?where?d you get that f*****g awful haircut. Dave Newbitt. Apologies to the many who I?m sure know the story. From: David Newbitt Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 10:00 AM To: Nick Rodger ; Barry Austin Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old Nothing wrong with being curmudgeonly ? often the basis of where the truth lies. A privilege to be old enough to indulge in the syndrome for the enlightenment of younger members of our society. Judging from Barry and Nick?s contributions you chaps also have a class act in wit going in this topic. Could become famous! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Rodger via Tech1 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 8:57 AM To: Barry Austin Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old No, it?s not only you. Although, if you did vote leave it?s definitely your fault. Nick Rodger Cameraman (Retired) 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! Don?t blame me!! I voted Remain ?? On 22 Aug 2022, at 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: ? ? ?Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. Is it me ? Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. I?m reminded of an old Tony Hancock script that I listened to on the steam radio as a mere lad, and no, that?s not my claim to fame. The Hancock character was the epitome of the pompous nobody, or ?pointless celebrity?, as we?d say today. He?d somehow got a non speaking part as tenth soldier, or some such, in a production of Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier, and was regaling at great length how famously he got on with Olivier to Sid James and Bill Kerr in the pub that night. ? I says to Larry, ?cos that?s what his mates call him, Larry, your playing Hamlet all wrong?. ? Hows that? he says. ? Well, I says, you make it a dead miserable story, you?ll never get any laughs playing it that way !? It was probably funnier 60 plus years ago! Barry Blame me, I voted leave ! Sent from my iPad On 21 Aug 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? This (from Wiktionary) seems to sum it up quite nicely: Famous for being famous. (derogatory) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame based on achievements, skill, or talent. Etymology The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world called The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America (1961), by historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim Kardashian seems to be a front runner. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. Alan On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: ? Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? Garth On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. Alan On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: ? He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . Hugh On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! Now that's celebrity! Pat On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. KW On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! 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Is it me ? > > Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. > > I?m reminded of an old Tony Hancock script that I listened to on the > steam radio as a mere lad, and no, that?s not my claim to fame. > The Hancock character was the epitome of the pompous nobody, or > ?pointless celebrity?, as we?d say today. > He?d somehow got a non speaking part as tenth soldier, or some such, > in a production of Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier, and was regaling > at great length how famously he got on with Olivier to Sid James and > Bill Kerr in the pub that night. > ? I says to Larry, ?cos that?s what his mates call him, Larry, your > playing Hamlet all wrong?. ? ? ? ?? Hows that? he says. ? ? ?? Well, I > says, you make it a dead miserable story, you?ll never get any laughs > playing it that way !? > > It was probably funnier 60 plus years ago! > > Barry > > Blame me, I voted leave ! > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 21 Aug 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> This (from Wiktionary)? seems to sum it up quite nicely: >> >> *_Famousforbeingfamous._*__ >> >> (/derogatory/) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished >> reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only >> through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame >> based on achievements, skill, or talent. >> >> *Etymology* >> >> The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world >> called /The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America/ (1961), by >> historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined >> the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". >> >> There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim >> Kardashian seems to be a front runner. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM >> *To:* tech1 >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old >> Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate >> with that.? The problem I was mentioning was people who become in >> some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or >> powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because >> they think that they are important too. >> I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German >> banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. >> Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another >> entourage would travel alongside him.? We were warned by his >> entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead >> saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. >> I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits >> thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair >> Bear Bunch at certain times.? His entourage sensed that there was >> some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word >> bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t >> anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what >> everybody has always called him. >> Alan >> >>> On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low >>> myself? >>> Garth >>> >>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows .? >>>> She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called >>>> Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. >>>> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective >>>> about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my >>>> viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, >>>> therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying >>>> celebrities. >>>> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, >>>> but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise >>>> who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business >>>> executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), >>>> the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >>>> Alan >>>> >>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him >>>>> on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>>>> Hugh >>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's >>>>>> daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>>>> >>>>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' >>>>>> with 'If I Ruled the World' >>>>>> >>>>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty >>>>>> because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>>>> >>>>>> Now _that's_ celebrity! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a >>>>>>> celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some >>>>>>> programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more >>>>>>> expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >>>>>>> KW >>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I >>>>>>> no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>>>>> on those versions of games shows. 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TeaTeaFN - Tony -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Mon Aug 22 05:53:46 2022 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 10:53:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> Hi, Probably not as funny but I was a lowly employee of the FCO whilst in Africa, I was invited to a tea party by the British Ambassador's wife who was actually called Mrs Goodenough?? At the tea party I was chatting to her about her children going to uni and how she was going to miss them. She moved on to someone else as we mingled and a very up your a..e women said "You do realise who you were talking to?? I was incredulous? Was I supposed to have curtsied? I don"t know? When in Africa, I met a women who also had red hair like me and we were continuously mistaken which caused no end of funny stories, we became best friends. She was a the wife of a CEO of a huge multi national company and as such was always invited to the Embassy for parties and the Queens birthday bash, we never were. One year they gave us their invites as they were on leave and no one was any the wisher. Mrs Goodenough was a nice old bird but the hangers-on were a pain. No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They get them as part of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords and ladies. They were everything wrong with the British attitude abroad. Sara On 22 Aug 2022, at 10:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: Nothing wrong with being curmudgeonly ? often the basis of where the truth lies. A privilege to be old enough to indulge in the syndrome for the enlightenment of younger members of our society. Judging from Barry and Nick?s contributions you chaps also have a class act in wit going in this topic. Could become famous! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Rodger via Tech1 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 8:57 AM To: Barry Austin Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old No, it?s not only you. Although, if you did vote leave it?s definitely your fault. Nick Rodger Cameraman (Retired) 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! Don?t blame me!! I voted Remain ?? On 22 Aug 2022, at 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 > wrote: ? ? ?Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. Is it me ? Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. I?m reminded of an old Tony Hancock script that I listened to on the steam radio as a mere lad, and no, that?s not my claim to fame. The Hancock character was the epitome of the pompous nobody, or ?pointless celebrity?, as we?d say today. He?d somehow got a non speaking part as tenth soldier, or some such, in a production of Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier, and was regaling at great length how famously he got on with Olivier to Sid James and Bill Kerr in the pub that night. ? I says to Larry, ?cos that?s what his mates call him, Larry, your playing Hamlet all wrong?. ? Hows that? he says. ? Well, I says, you make it a dead miserable story, you?ll never get any laughs playing it that way !? It was probably funnier 60 plus years ago! Barry Blame me, I voted leave ! Sent from my iPad On 21 Aug 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: ? This (from Wiktionary) seems to sum it up quite nicely: Famous for being famous. (derogatory) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame based on achievements, skill, or talent. Etymology The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world called The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America (1961), by historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim Kardashian seems to be a front runner. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. Alan On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker > wrote: ? Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? Garth On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. Alan On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: ? He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . Hugh On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! Now that's celebrity! Pat On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. KW On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' on those versions of games shows. Perhaps it's because I don't watch soaps, so I don't know any. Never has "Pointless Celebrities" been more apt! 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From: Sara Newman Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 11:53 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: Nick Rodger ; Barry Austin ; Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old Hi, Probably not as funny but I was a lowly employee of the FCO whilst in Africa, I was invited to a tea party by the British Ambassador's wife who was actually called Mrs Goodenough?? At the tea party I was chatting to her about her children going to uni and how she was going to miss them. She moved on to someone else as we mingled and a very up your a..e women said "You do realise who you were talking to?? I was incredulous? Was I supposed to have curtsied? I don"t know? When in Africa, I met a women who also had red hair like me and we were continuously mistaken which caused no end of funny stories, we became best friends. She was a the wife of a CEO of a huge multi national company and as such was always invited to the Embassy for parties and the Queens birthday bash, we never were. One year they gave us their invites as they were on leave and no one was any the wisher. Mrs Goodenough was a nice old bird but the hangers-on were a pain. No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They get them as part of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords and ladies. They were everything wrong with the British attitude abroad. Sara On 22 Aug 2022, at 10:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Nothing wrong with being curmudgeonly ? often the basis of where the truth lies. A privilege to be old enough to indulge in the syndrome for the enlightenment of younger members of our society. Judging from Barry and Nick?s contributions you chaps also have a class act in wit going in this topic. Could become famous! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Rodger via Tech1 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 8:57 AM To: Barry Austin Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old No, it?s not only you. Although, if you did vote leave it?s definitely your fault. Nick Rodger Cameraman (Retired) 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! Don?t blame me!! I voted Remain ?? On 22 Aug 2022, at 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: ? ? ?Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. Is it me ? Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. I?m reminded of an old Tony Hancock script that I listened to on the steam radio as a mere lad, and no, that?s not my claim to fame. The Hancock character was the epitome of the pompous nobody, or ?pointless celebrity?, as we?d say today. He?d somehow got a non speaking part as tenth soldier, or some such, in a production of Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier, and was regaling at great length how famously he got on with Olivier to Sid James and Bill Kerr in the pub that night. ? I says to Larry, ?cos that?s what his mates call him, Larry, your playing Hamlet all wrong?. ? Hows that? he says. ? Well, I says, you make it a dead miserable story, you?ll never get any laughs playing it that way !? It was probably funnier 60 plus years ago! Barry Blame me, I voted leave ! Sent from my iPad On 21 Aug 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? This (from Wiktionary) seems to sum it up quite nicely: Famous for being famous. (derogatory) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame based on achievements, skill, or talent. Etymology The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world called The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America (1961), by historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim Kardashian seems to be a front runner. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. Alan On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: ? Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? Garth On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. Alan On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: ? He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . Hugh On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: ? 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 06:51:33 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 12:51:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> Message-ID: I think we should have had that. We could all have BEMs now. I worked a lot with the weather forecasters.? Bill Giles got an OBE and Mike Fish an MBE?? Mike said they stood for "My Bloody Efforts" and "Our Bloody Efforts". Of course no-one behind the scenes got anything. Can't help thinking that Ron Green should have had an OBE. B On 22/08/2022 11:53, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: > No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They > get them as part ?of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords > and ladies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Aug 22 07:10:52 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:10:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com><955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <0B3E81B9E01B4046A63D05E09BFAD82A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Ron Green ? amen to that Bernie. Plus an extra ribbon for being just about the nicest guy ever. Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 12:51 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old I think we should have had that. We could all have BEMs now. I worked a lot with the weather forecasters. Bill Giles got an OBE and Mike Fish an MBE Mike said they stood for "My Bloody Efforts" and "Our Bloody Efforts". Of course no-one behind the scenes got anything. Can't help thinking that Ron Green should have had an OBE. B On 22/08/2022 11:53, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They get them as part of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords and ladies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Aug 22 07:18:17 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:18:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <58DE04D46C6040A29EF7B54EDA076721@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> <58DE04D46C6040A29EF7B54EDA076721@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <8e8cd7d1-9554-4dd2-9022-841c0224985d@amps.net> There was a radio series, currently being repeated on Radio4x entitled 'Flying the Flag' with Dinsdale Landen, set in a British Embassy during the Cold War. Wonder that there wasn't a TV version, penned by the makers of Yes Minister, for example. Pat On 22/08/2022 12:14, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > That?s a pretty telling set of recollections Sara ? yes it is funny > but what lies behind it is the bigger story of class snobbery and > condescension? as you suggest. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Sara Newman > *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2022 11:53 AM > *To:* David Newbitt > *Cc:* Nick Rodger ; Barry Austin ; Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old > Hi, Probably not as funny but I was a lowly employee of the FCO whilst > in Africa, I was invited to a tea party by the British Ambassador's > wife who was actually called Mrs Goodenough?? At the tea party I was > chatting to her about her children going to uni and how she was going > to miss them. She moved on to someone else as we mingled and a very up > your a..e? women said "You do realise who you were talking to?? I was > incredulous? Was I supposed to have curtsied? I don"t know? When in > Africa,? I met a women who also had red hair like me and we were > continuously mistaken which caused no end of funny stories, we became > best friends. She was a the wife of a CEO of a huge multi national > company and as such was always invited to the Embassy for parties and > the Queens birthday bash, we never were.? One year they gave us their > invites as they were on leave and no one was any the wisher. Mrs > Goodenough was a nice old bird but the hangers-on were a pain. No end > of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They get them > as part? of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords and > ladies. They were everything wrong with the British attitude abroad. > Sara > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Aug 22 07:40:51 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:40:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> Message-ID: I thought that OBE was 'Other Buggers Efforts'? But harking on about Getting Old, I seem to attract sales catalogues relating mostly to aids for the aged, and helpful things like that. Apparently there is an aerosol spray to produce a hard-on! I'm sure Billy Connolly would have something amusing about that! Pat On 22/08/2022 12:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I think we should have had that. We could all have BEMs now. > > I worked a lot with the weather forecasters.? Bill Giles got an OBE > and Mike Fish an MBE?? Mike said they stood for "My Bloody Efforts" > and "Our Bloody Efforts". Of course no-one behind the scenes got anything. > > Can't help thinking that Ron Green should have had an OBE. > > B > > > > On 22/08/2022 11:53, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: >> No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They >> get them as part ?of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords >> and ladies. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Aug 22 07:46:01 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:46:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> References: <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <40D460A7-9DF1-4CF6-AA67-711A6BFD64E2@me.com> I worked on a film where the main location was a farmhouse belonging to the CEO of a huge international company. It was a huge house, lavishly appointed with a Bentley in the garage, a Jaguar convertible for the missus and a couple of other cars used mainly by cook or nanny. His wife was very glamorous as you might expect. Obviously she didn?t need to work for a living, but she was passionately interested in rare breed sheep and reared a substantial flock of them on the farm, doing all the work herself, often getting her husband to help at critical times during lambing. At dinner parties, when strangers were making small talk, if asked ? ? and what do you do??, she would simply say that she was a shepherd. People were invariably taken aback and reacted in just one of two ways. One was ?How fascinating. Tell me all about it?. The other was to move swiftly on. Alan > On 22 Aug 2022, at 11:54, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Hi, Probably not as funny but I was a lowly employee of the FCO whilst in Africa, I was invited to a tea party by the British Ambassador's wife who was actually called Mrs Goodenough?? At the tea party I was chatting to her about her children going to uni and how she was going to miss them. She moved on to someone else as we mingled and a very up your a..e women said "You do realise who you were talking to?? I was incredulous? Was I supposed to have curtsied? I don"t know? When in Africa, I met a women who also had red hair like me and we were continuously mistaken which caused no end of funny stories, we became best friends. She was a the wife of a CEO of a huge multi national company and as such was always invited to the Embassy for parties and the Queens birthday bash, we never were. One year they gave us their invites as they were on leave and no one was any the wisher. Mrs Goodenough was a nice old bird but the hangers-on were a pain. No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They get them as part of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords and ladies. They were everything wrong with the British attitude abroad. > Sara > >> On 22 Aug 2022, at 10:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Nothing wrong with being curmudgeonly ? often the basis of where the truth lies. A privilege to be old enough to indulge in the syndrome for the enlightenment of younger members of our society. >> >> Judging from Barry and Nick?s contributions you chaps also have a class act in wit going in this topic. Could become famous! >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Nick Rodger via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 8:57 AM >> To: Barry Austin >> Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old >> >> No, it?s not only you. >> >> Although, if you did vote leave it?s definitely your fault. >> >> Nick Rodger >> Cameraman (Retired) >> 07971 007578 >> nickrodger at mac.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone. >> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! >> >> Don?t blame me!! >> I voted Remain ?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 22 Aug 2022, at 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> ? >>> ?Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. >>> >>> Is it me ? >>> >>> Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. >>> >>> I?m reminded of an old Tony Hancock script that I listened to on the steam radio as a mere lad, and no, that?s not my claim to fame. >>> The Hancock character was the epitome of the pompous nobody, or ?pointless celebrity?, as we?d say today. >>> He?d somehow got a non speaking part as tenth soldier, or some such, in a production of Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier, and was regaling at great length how famously he got on with Olivier to Sid James and Bill Kerr in the pub that night. >>> ? I says to Larry, ?cos that?s what his mates call him, Larry, your playing Hamlet all wrong?. ? Hows that? he says. ? Well, I says, you make it a dead miserable story, you?ll never get any laughs playing it that way !? >>> >>> It was probably funnier 60 plus years ago! >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> Blame me, I voted leave ! >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 21 Aug 2022, at 17:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> This (from Wiktionary) seems to sum it up quite nicely: >>> >>> Famous for being famous. >>> >>> (derogatory) Having attained celebrity status for no distinguished reason; appearing to generate their own fame, or well-known only through association with an existing celebrity, as opposed to fame based on achievements, skill, or talent. >>> >>> Etymology >>> The term originates from an analysis of the media-dominated world called The Image: A Guide to Pseudo-events in America (1961), by historian and social theorist Daniel J. Boorstin, in which he defined the celebrity as "a person who is known for his well-knownness". >>> >>> >>> There are several Google paths to lists of eligible celebs. Kim Kardashian seems to be a front runner. >>> >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 2:04 PM >>> To: tech1 >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend rant, or getting old >>> >>> Nothing wrong with being low status, I think we can all associate with that. The problem I was mentioning was people who become in some way associated with and hang onto the coat tails of famous or powerful people, but then start being obnoxious to others because they think that they are important too. >>> >>> I had a lot of fun working on some big conferences for a German banking company. The CEO of the company was called Wolfgang Bayer. Wherever he went, a little entourage would precede him and another entourage would travel alongside him. We were warned by his entourage that he must never be addressed as a Wolfgang, instead saying Mr Bayer, ideally Herr Bayer. >>> >>> I dubbed his entourage the Herr Bayer bunch, which most of the Brits thought was amusing. Some of them would imitate the music of the Hair Bear Bunch at certain times. His entourage sensed that there was some sort of joke going on, but they couldn?t work out how the word bunch could be in any way amusing and of course there clearly wasn?t anything funny about the name Herr Bayer, because that was what everybody has always called him. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> On 21 Aug 2022, at 13:23, Garth Tucker wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Is there a cut-off point to obnoxiousness Alan. I?m extremely low myself? >>>> Garth >>>> >>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 19:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> His niece, Christine Secombe, directed children's drama shows . She did some Grange Hills and I worked with her on a series called Aliens in the Family. She was an absolute delight to work with. >>>>> As for celebrities, I don?t watch much TV and am very selective about what I choose to view. Celebrity-led shows don?t figure on my viewing habits and neither do I read the red-top newspapers, therefore I?m not at all clued up when it comes to identifying celebrities. >>>>> As far as I can tell, they look pretty much like everybody else, but act like spoilt brats, especially when people fail to recognise who they are. Just like in so many other aspects of life ( business executives, members of the royal family, military officers etc ), the lower their status, the more obnoxiously they behave. >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:22, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> He was always very pleasant in later years when we worked with him on Highway. His ?minder? could be a bit of a nuisance though . . . >>>>>> Hugh >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 Aug 2022, at 17:06, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> I heard on Radio 4X recently, a programme of Harry Secombe's daughter reminiscing about her father. >>>>>>> The family was delighted when he appeared on 'Top of the Pops' with 'If I Ruled the World' >>>>>>> When he came into the studio, the upstairs galleries were empty because we had all gone down to the floor to see him! >>>>>>> Now that's celebrity! >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>>> On 20/08/2022 16:40, Keith Wicks wrote: >>>>>>>> It's because anyone who has appeared on TV calls themselves a celebrity. Even if they have appeared only once on some programme that no one watches. Real celebrities are more expensive and, therefore, are not used so often. >>>>>>>> KW >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 at 16:18, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> One of the things I've noticed about getting old, is that I no longer recognise the 'celebs' >>>>>>>>> on those versions of games shows. 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I hope to find out how things went when I next see her. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Mon Aug 22 09:33:43 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 14:33:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ??My Brother-in-Law, Barry Rose, got his OBE after organising the music for Charles and Diana?s wedding, and had for some time been taking the St Paul?s Cathedral Choristers to Kensington Palace for private musical soir?es for the Queen Mother, who liked to hear the boys sing Gilbert and Sullivan. And among many other Royal events was the Queen?s Silver Jubilee Service. Whenever the subject of his OBE comes up, he insists it stands for ?Other Buggers? Efforts?. That?s modesty for you. For some years Barry held a unique and ungraded staff position at the BBC as Music Adviser to the Head of Religious Broadcasts, and was a regular BBC Choral Evensong producer. His recently published Memoir contains many BBC stories, and is recommended reading. ?Sitting on a Pin?. In hardback and on Amazon. That curious title? As a frontispiece he explains that in his schooldays he used to be teased with: ?Barry Rose sat on a pin - Barry Rose!? N. [Re-sent because the above got sent from another email address by mistake] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad On 22 Aug 2022, at 12:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? I think we should have had that. We could all have BEMs now. I worked a lot with the weather forecasters. Bill Giles got an OBE and Mike Fish an MBE Mike said they stood for "My Bloody Efforts" and "Our Bloody Efforts". Of course no-one behind the scenes got anything. Can't help thinking that Ron Green should have had an OBE. 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Eventually, after several more months of lazing around he was eventually repatriated at the charity's expense. I think they were fed up paying his board and lodging. During his stay he sent various somewhat upbeat messages to his local paper back in Blighty, with the inference that he was spending all his time giving medical assistance to the locals - out-of-date paramedical stuff wasn't required, and the support was largely in the bar. Eventually the journos wrote the story up and someone put him forward for a "lollipop lady's" gong, the BEM. With no evidence to the contrary .... It doesn't do much for the awards image. Chris Woolf From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Aug 22 10:48:44 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 16:48:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Torx screws. Message-ID: I needed to remove the back from my Dell laptop. Even the battery inside. Google for a repair manual and it said T5 torx screws hold it on. Pretty tiny. Have a set of small Torx screwdrivers, 7 in all, cleanly labelled from T15 down to T5. T5 miles too big. Guessed at T3 and ordered one from RS - pricey? (nothing that small from Toolstation, etc). It was too small. Phoned my only remaining decent tool shop - Belton and Slade in Wandsworth. They had a driver plus bits set that went down to T4. Bought that. T4 too small too - but the T5 with that a perfect fit. If my hair was longer I'd have torn it out. -- Dave P London SW From alanaudio at me.com Mon Aug 22 11:11:47 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 17:11:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Torx screws. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It?s too late for you by the sound of it, but there are some pretty good small sized Torx screwdriver sets available surprisingly cheaply from eBay. They are intended for dismantling smartphones and other electronic gadgets. You can also get sets including Pentalobe screwdriver bits which are used on some devices. After I bought mine, I bought a more comprehensive kit which was sold as a micro tool kit by either Lidl or Aldi. The one I got was in their reduced section a couple of weeks after they were on sale, so it was an especially good bargain. Most of their special buys come round regularly, but that one only pops up once in a while, however it?s well worth looking out for when it is available. I once ordered a set of small Torx drivers with integral handles for a client?s toolkit, which cost about ?10 from CPC. They were very good quality and arrived the next day. If buying kits which slot into a hex driver, check whether any of the screw heads are recessed as some recessed screws are too deeply recessed to be reached by a conventional hex driver. Fortunately long versions of the bits can be found in most of the commonly used sizes. Alan > On 22 Aug 2022, at 16:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I needed to remove the back from my Dell laptop. Even the battery inside. Google for a repair manual and it said T5 torx screws hold it on. Pretty tiny. > > Have a set of small Torx screwdrivers, 7 in all, cleanly labelled from T15 down to T5. T5 miles too big. Guessed at T3 and ordered one from RS - pricey (nothing that small from Toolstation, etc). It was too small. Phoned my only remaining decent tool shop - Belton and Slade in Wandsworth. They had a driver plus bits set that went down to T4. Bought that. T4 too small too - but the T5 with that a perfect fit. > > If my hair was longer I'd have torn it out. > > -- > Dave P London > SW > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Aug 22 12:08:09 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 18:08:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> Message-ID: OBE = Other Buggers? Efforts ? Graeme Wall > On 22 Aug 2022, at 12:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I think we should have had that. We could all have BEMs now. > > I worked a lot with the weather forecasters. Bill Giles got an OBE and Mike Fish an MBE Mike said they stood for "My Bloody Efforts" and "Our Bloody Efforts". Of course no-one behind the scenes got anything. > > Can't help thinking that Ron Green should have had an OBE. > > B > > > > On 22/08/2022 11:53, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: >> No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They get them as part of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords and ladies. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Mon Aug 22 12:58:52 2022 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 17:58:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> Message-ID: This will sound bitchy but I know someone who did stuff for the BBC, unfortunately he got a form of blood cancer and was supposed to be on his last legs. His chums decided it would be fitting for him to get an OBE before he passed. It was all sorted. He was lucky enough to get some revolutionary medical treatment, went into complete remission and has survived even to this day. Sara Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Aug 2022, at 18:08, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?OBE = Other Buggers? Efforts > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 22 Aug 2022, at 12:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I think we should have had that. We could all have BEMs now. >> >> I worked a lot with the weather forecasters. Bill Giles got an OBE and Mike Fish an MBE Mike said they stood for "My Bloody Efforts" and "Our Bloody Efforts". Of course no-one behind the scenes got anything. >> >> Can't help thinking that Ron Green should have had an OBE. >> >> B >> >> >> >>> On 22/08/2022 11:53, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: >>> No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They get them as part of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords and ladies. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=05%7C01%7C%7C3ff12c783e3a4ecc888b08da8460f733%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637967849246022195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5uBxXgCeA9%2Fo5MnVUXy3eedxcoWJPPZD3X%2BdjG1y4j0%3D&reserved=0 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=05%7C01%7C%7C3ff12c783e3a4ecc888b08da8460f733%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637967849246022195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5uBxXgCeA9%2Fo5MnVUXy3eedxcoWJPPZD3X%2BdjG1y4j0%3D&reserved=0 From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Aug 22 13:06:39 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 19:06:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <7276A419-726B-4B90-B449-FE9A2F6CA974@mac.com> <955F01C350C247719DFA3A50F6E1DD5C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <7D3FF85C-B760-4DC3-A88A-639B2CD6327E@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <8210b4e0-4224-21af-cc28-a9bdfa4f3877@davesound.co.uk> Only once been involved with an honour. Just after retiring helped out with a charity (part funded by the local council) for addicts. Full time chap who was the facilitator went far more than the extra mile - organising evening and weekend sessions. So we wrote and asked for an honour for him. And he got a well deserved MBE. On 22/08/2022 18:58, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: > This will sound bitchy but I know someone who did stuff for the BBC, unfortunately he got a form of blood cancer and was supposed to be on his last legs. His chums decided it would be fitting for him to get an OBE before he passed. It was all sorted. He was lucky enough to get some revolutionary medical treatment, went into complete remission and has survived even to this day. > Sara > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 Aug 2022, at 18:08, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?OBE = Other Buggers? Efforts >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 22 Aug 2022, at 12:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I think we should have had that. We could all have BEMs now. >>> >>> I worked a lot with the weather forecasters. Bill Giles got an OBE and Mike Fish an MBE Mike said they stood for "My Bloody Efforts" and "Our Bloody Efforts". Of course no-one behind the scenes got anything. >>> >>> Can't help thinking that Ron Green should have had an OBE. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 22/08/2022 11:53, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. (They get them as part of their promotional cycles) They acted like lords and ladies. >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=05%7C01%7C%7C3ff12c783e3a4ecc888b08da8460f733%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637967849246022195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5uBxXgCeA9%2Fo5MnVUXy3eedxcoWJPPZD3X%2BdjG1y4j0%3D&reserved=0 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=05%7C01%7C%7C3ff12c783e3a4ecc888b08da8460f733%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637967849246022195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5uBxXgCeA9%2Fo5MnVUXy3eedxcoWJPPZD3X%2BdjG1y4j0%3D&reserved=0 -- Dave P London SW From alanaudio at me.com Mon Aug 22 16:05:53 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 22:05:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Terminal illness Message-ID: ? In 1986 I worked on a play called Best Years of your Life, written by Clive Jermaine. It was semi autobiographical, in the sense that it was inspired by his life story, but somewhat enhanced. The story was of a promising young footballer, who soon after getting selected to play for a Premiership club, is diagnosed with cancer, which then turns out to be terminal. The author was in the late stages of his own cancer, which was terminal. He had written the screenplay quite soon after his diagnosis and by the time it was commissioned and we had started production, he was only expected to live for a matter of a very few weeks ? if that. By then he was wheelchair-bound and clearly in a great deal of pain all the time, but he turned up to observe as much of the shooting as he could, even on bitterly cold January evenings by the canal in west London. He was the first person I saw using a Tens machine with little control knobs that he could tweak to try and counteract the pain. Drugs powerful enough to have controlled his pain would have pretty well knocked him out. Everybody involved with the production was keen to get it completed before he passed away, in order that he might see the finished production. The first day of location shooting ( single camera ) was 18th Jan, the final location day was 23rd Jan, with a two day studio shoot on 26 & 27th Jan. The edit started soon afterwards and I had to squeeze in the Sypher dub during two days off during another drama on 19th & 20th Feb. A special screening was arranged so that Clive could see it. Much to everybody?s delight, he even kept going until it was transmitted. Not only that, he started appearing on the chat show circuit including Wogan, talking about his story. In fact he went on to live way beyond the time he had been initially given. The doctors reckoned that the excitement and sense of purpose created by the project put him into remission and extended his life substantially. Alan > On 22 Aug 2022, at 18:59, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: > ?This will sound bitchy but I know someone who did stuff for the BBC, unfortunately he got a form of blood cancer and was supposed to be on his last legs. His chums decided it would be fitting for him to get an OBE before he passed. It was all sorted. He was lucky enough to get some revolutionary medical treatment, went into complete remission and has survived even to this day. > Sara > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 Aug 2022, at 18:08, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?OBE = Other Buggers? Efforts >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 22 Aug 2022, at 12:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> I think we should have had that. We could all have BEMs now. >>> I worked a lot with the weather forecasters. Bill Giles got an OBE and Mike Fish an MBE Mike said they stood for "My Bloody Efforts" and "Our Bloody Efforts". Of course no-one behind the scenes got anything. >>> Can't help thinking that Ron Green should have had an OBE. >>> B >>>> On 22/08/2022 11:53, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> No end of bitching about gongs in the New Years honours list. 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Underwater drilling is extremely difficult and it was a highly unfortunate accident. BUT - if it wasn't for the demand for oil, that prospecting for where it is and obtainable that disaster might not have happened. Guess which country has the highest demand for oil? Yep, the good ole US of A. (17 million barrels per day) So it's their fault! Just think about _your_ everyday life - what doesn't depend on a oil supply? Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 23 10:39:55 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:39:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rail Strike pay claim Message-ID: <2222a0fd-489b-d329-eca4-f65024a8b743@amps.net> *Rail strike pay claim.* Has anyone worked out what it means? The RMT wants their pay to reflect the cost of living. Good idea on the surface, BUT transport costs affect the cost of living, whether it's freight or people getting to work. so the RMT pay increases, so the cost of living goes up, so the pay increases to transport workers rises, so the cost of living goes up, so the pay rises go up, so............. Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Aug 23 11:09:33 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:09:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rail Strike pay claim In-Reply-To: <2222a0fd-489b-d329-eca4-f65024a8b743@amps.net> References: <2222a0fd-489b-d329-eca4-f65024a8b743@amps.net> Message-ID: <3a1bede3-8fd5-a284-1e45-93573db1c9c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> You know, Pat, even the imbecilic Liz Truss could work that out;} But I doubt that taking pay away from the drivers to lower the cost of living would reverse that situation.... Chris Woolf On 23/08/2022 16:39, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > *Rail strike pay claim.* > > Has anyone worked out what it means? > > The RMT wants their pay to reflect the cost of living. > Good idea on the surface, BUT transport costs affect the cost of living, > whether it's freight or people getting to work. > so the RMT pay increases, so the cost of living goes up, so the pay > increases to transport workers rises, so the cost of living goes up, > so the > pay rises go up, so............. > > Pat > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 23 11:20:07 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:20:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <778d3c6c-085a-5821-d483-8c4358935fde@amps.net> Yes, Barry, it's you! Perhaps you haven't got any stories to tell...... Remember that technician staff were forbidden to fraternise with artistes. That didn't stop Debbie Watling (From Dr. Who) playing footsie with me under the table in the BBC Club! Walking down the TVC corridor once with John Howard Davies Yep I'm name dropping! (I had seen Tom Brown's Schooldays in Singapore), and I asked him if he was proud of his earlier acheivements. He said he'd rather forget all of them. That surprised me. Pat On 22/08/2022 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: > ? > ? Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site > decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they > once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at > the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so > and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long > chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. > > ? Is it me ? > > Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. > > Barry > > Blame me, I voted leave ! > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Aug 23 11:49:42 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:49:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <778d3c6c-085a-5821-d483-8c4358935fde@amps.net> References: <778d3c6c-085a-5821-d483-8c4358935fde@amps.net> Message-ID: FFS, Pat. Getting teduous now. N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad On 23 Aug 2022, at 17:20, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Yes, Barry, it's you! Perhaps you haven't got any stories to tell...... Remember that technician staff were forbidden to fraternise with artistes. That didn't stop Debbie Watling (From Dr. Who) playing footsie with me under the table in the BBC Club! Walking down the TVC corridor once with John Howard Davies Yep I'm name dropping! (I had seen Tom Brown's Schooldays in Singapore), and I asked him if he was proud of his earlier acheivements. He said he'd rather forget all of them. That surprised me. Pat On 22/08/2022 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: ? ? Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. Is it me ? Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. Barry Blame me, I voted leave ! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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FWIW, did a small shop today, being out of some of the items I always buy. Due to having had visitors. Just enough to tide me over to my usual shop on Friday. And thought they cost a lot - so looked up the list I'd kept from the start of Covid, when I had everything delivered. Roughly a 50 % increase. Items were milk, orange juice and yoghurt. All the same brands from the same supermarket chain. 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(17 million barrels per day) > > So it's their fault! > Just think about your everyday life - what doesn't depend on a oil supply? > > Pat > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Aug 23 16:54:52 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 22:54:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <778d3c6c-085a-5821-d483-8c4358935fde@amps.net> References: <778d3c6c-085a-5821-d483-8c4358935fde@amps.net> Message-ID: If memory serves me right, I recall Barry not only being allowed to fraternise with the talent, but being encouraged by a certain producer to deliver bad news to one individual during after TX drinks, with regard to the next year?s event, i.e. that he would not be included in the commentary team in future - quite remarkable! Barry will no doubt correct me if I am wrong. Mike G > On 23 Aug 2022, at 17:20, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Yes, Barry, it's you! > > Perhaps you haven't got any stories to tell...... > > Remember that technician staff were forbidden to fraternise with artistes. > > That didn't stop Debbie Watling (From Dr. Who) playing footsie with me > under the table in the BBC Club! > > Walking down the TVC corridor once with John Howard Davies > Yep I'm name dropping! (I had seen Tom Brown's Schooldays in Singapore), > and I asked him if he was proud of his earlier acheivements. > He said he'd rather forget all of them. > > That surprised me. > > Pat > > > > > > On 22/08/2022 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: > >> ? >> ? Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. >> >> Is it me ? >> >> Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. >> >> Barry >> >> Blame me, I voted leave ! >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike G > On 23 Aug 2022, at 19:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Think if something was done about the likes of Rees-Mogg and all those multi-national companies getting away without paying the same sort of taxes as the rest of us do, I'd have more sympathy for this government talking about 'holding this country to ransom' and all the other terms they love to use. > > BTW someone defined Conservative as one who doesn't want change. Making the NUT claim just that. They want the same conditions of service etc they've had for years. And the same purchasing power. > > FWIW, did a small shop today, being out of some of the items I always buy. Due to having had visitors. Just enough to tide me over to my usual shop on Friday. And thought they cost a lot - so looked up the list I'd kept from the start of Covid, when I had everything delivered. Roughly a 50 % increase. Items were milk, orange juice and yoghurt. All the same brands from the same supermarket chain. > > On 23/08/2022 17:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> You know, Pat, even the imbecilic Liz Truss could work that out;} >> >> But I doubt that taking pay away from the drivers to lower the cost of living would reverse that situation.... >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >> On 23/08/2022 16:39, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Rail strike pay claim. >>> >>> Has anyone worked out what it means? >>> >>> The RMT wants their pay to reflect the cost of living. >>> Good idea on the surface, BUT transport costs affect the cost of living, >>> whether it's freight or people getting to work. >>> so the RMT pay increases, so the cost of living goes up, so the pay >>> increases to transport workers rises, so the cost of living goes up, so the >>> pay rises go up, so............. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >> > -- > Dave P London > SW > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barryaustin2000 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 24 03:28:28 2022 From: barryaustin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (Barry Austin) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 09:28:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old References: <0D5F5CCF-33AE-450D-8B0A-F25D9FECA031.ref@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <0D5F5CCF-33AE-450D-8B0A-F25D9FECA031@yahoo.co.uk> ? ? ?Perhaps it?s not a question of ?not having any stories to tell?, it would be hard not to have after working in television studio & location production continuously between 1963 and a couple of years ago when cancer forced me to stop, but more a case of not needing to try to impress by endlessly banging on about Stars Wot I Have Known. I still think it?s ironic to, on the one hand, read comments about ? celebrities? who are celebrities in their own mind only, and then, in the next message, tales about 2 minutes spent on set getting to know, seemingly intimately, some actor whilst waiting for the next take. I?ve never liked kiss and tell stories, all sorts of things can be said casually between people, particularly the mega famous, that aren?t meant to be broadcast. I?m sure we?ve all made comments at one time or another that we regret and wouldn?t like to be generally known, or, again, perhaps, is it just me? Barry Sent from my iPad > On 23 Aug 2022, at 17:20, Pat Heigham wrote: > ? > Yes, Barry, it's you! > > Perhaps you haven't got any stories to tell...... > > Remember that technician staff were forbidden to fraternise with artistes. > > That didn't stop Debbie Watling (From Dr. Who) playing footsie with me > under the table in the BBC Club! > > Walking down the TVC corridor once with John Howard Davies > Yep I'm name dropping! (I had seen Tom Brown's Schooldays in Singapore), > and I asked him if he was proud of his earlier acheivements. > He said he'd rather forget all of them. > > That surprised me. > > Pat > > > > > > On 22/08/2022 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: > >> ? >> ? Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. >> >> Is it me ? >> >> Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. >> >> Barry >> >> Blame me, I voted leave ! >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Aug 24 04:42:08 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 10:42:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <0D5F5CCF-33AE-450D-8B0A-F25D9FECA031@yahoo.co.uk> References: <0D5F5CCF-33AE-450D-8B0A-F25D9FECA031.ref@yahoo.co.uk> <0D5F5CCF-33AE-450D-8B0A-F25D9FECA031@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Ah! Do I detect a'slap-on-the-wrist' for Pat? I was trying to point up the difference between fraternising (not) with talent in BBC TV and the Film Industry. We were quite severly told the 'rules' in TV, but I noticed a much more free situation when I went out with an Ealing Film crew to collect sound FX that I would need back in the studio. OK, in the film indusry, fraternising with the artistes may be a bit of basking in reflected glory, but all my stories are good, pleasant ones. (Except for those involving Michael Winner - can one be sued for slander from beyond the grave?) Anyway, it was a rewarding career, and great to look back on. Pat (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') On 24/08/2022 09:28, Barry Austin wrote: > ? > ? > ? Perhaps it?s not a question of ?not having any stories to tell?, ?it > would be hard not to have after working in television studio & > location production continuously between 1963 and a couple of years > ago when cancer forced me to stop, but more a case of not needing to > try to impress by endlessly banging on about Stars Wot I Have Known. > > I still think it?s ironic to, on the one hand, read comments about ? > celebrities? who are celebrities in their own mind only, and then, in > the next message, tales about 2 minutes spent on set getting to know, > seemingly intimately, some actor whilst waiting for the next take. > > I?ve never liked kiss and tell stories, all sorts of things can be > said casually between people, particularly the mega famous, that > aren?t meant to be broadcast. > I?m sure we?ve all made comments at one time or another that we regret > and wouldn?t like to be generally known, or, again, perhaps, is it > just me? > > Barry > Sent from my iPad > >> On 23 Aug 2022, at 17:20, Pat Heigham wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Yes, Barry, it's you! >> >> Perhaps you haven't got any stories to tell...... >> >> Remember that technician staff were forbidden to fraternise with >> artistes. >> >> That didn't stop Debbie Watling (From Dr. Who) playing footsie with me >> under the table in the BBC Club! >> >> Walking down the TVC corridor once with John Howard Davies >> Yep I'm name dropping! (I had seen Tom Brown's Schooldays in Singapore), >> and I asked him if he was proud of his earlier acheivements. >> He said he'd rather forget all of them. >> >> That surprised me. >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> On 22/08/2022 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> ? >>> ? Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site >>> decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they >>> once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst >>> at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with >>> so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a >>> long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. >>> >>> ? Is it me ? >>> >>> Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> Blame me, I voted leave ! >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Aug 24 05:16:07 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 11:16:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <0D5F5CCF-33AE-450D-8B0A-F25D9FECA031@yahoo.co.uk> References: <0D5F5CCF-33AE-450D-8B0A-F25D9FECA031.ref@yahoo.co.uk> <0D5F5CCF-33AE-450D-8B0A-F25D9FECA031@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <02e2aefa-47db-f67c-2b59-e75c327dddaf@davesound.co.uk> But some actors do stick in the mind. Was reminded of one, after seeing one of those 'remember her' posts on social media. Yootha Joyce. Had just started work at Thames, and was doing a boom on George and Mildred. She must have asked someone who the new guy was, and during a break came across, introduced herself and asked my name. Then welcomed me and said she was sure I'd be very happy in my new job. Quite made my day. On 24/08/2022 09:28, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: > ? > ? > ? Perhaps it?s not a question of ?not having any stories to tell?, ?it > would be hard not to have after working in television studio & > location production continuously between 1963 and a couple of years > ago when cancer forced me to stop, but more a case of not needing to > try to impress by endlessly banging on about Stars Wot I Have Known. > > I still think it?s ironic to, on the one hand, read comments about ? > celebrities? who are celebrities in their own mind only, and then, in > the next message, tales about 2 minutes spent on set getting to know, > seemingly intimately, some actor whilst waiting for the next take. > > I?ve never liked kiss and tell stories, all sorts of things can be > said casually between people, particularly the mega famous, that > aren?t meant to be broadcast. > I?m sure we?ve all made comments at one time or another that we regret > and wouldn?t like to be generally known, or, again, perhaps, is it > just me? > > Barry > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 23 Aug 2022, at 17:20, Pat Heigham wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Yes, Barry, it's you! >> >> Perhaps you haven't got any stories to tell...... >> >> Remember that technician staff were forbidden to fraternise with >> artistes. >> >> That didn't stop Debbie Watling (From Dr. Who) playing footsie with me >> under the table in the BBC Club! >> >> Walking down the TVC corridor once with John Howard Davies >> Yep I'm name dropping! (I had seen Tom Brown's Schooldays in Singapore), >> and I asked him if he was proud of his earlier acheivements. >> He said he'd rather forget all of them. >> >> That surprised me. >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> On 22/08/2022 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> ? >>> ? Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site >>> decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they >>> once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst >>> at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with >>> so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a >>> long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. >>> >>> ? Is it me ? >>> >>> Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> Blame me, I voted leave ! >>> >>> > -- Dave P London SW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps it?s not a question of ?not having any stories to tell?, ?it would be hard not to have after working in television studio & location production continuously between 1963 and a couple of years ago when cancer forced me to stop, but more a case of not needing to try to impress by endlessly banging on about Stars Wot I Have Known. I still think it?s ironic to, on the one hand, read comments about ? celebrities? who are celebrities in their own mind only, and then, in the next message, tales about 2 minutes spent on set getting to know, seemingly intimately, some actor whilst waiting for the next take. I?ve never liked kiss and tell stories, all sorts of things can be said casually between people, particularly the mega famous, that aren?t meant to be broadcast. I?m sure we?ve all made comments at one time or another that we regret and wouldn?t like to be generally known, or, again, perhaps, is it just me? Barry Sent from my iPad > On 23 Aug 2022, at 17:20, Pat Heigham wrote: > > ? > > Yes, Barry, it's you! > > Perhaps you haven't got any stories to tell...... > > Remember that technician staff were forbidden to fraternise with artistes. > > That didn't stop Debbie Watling (From Dr. Who) playing footsie with me > under the table in the BBC Club! > > Walking down the TVC corridor once with John Howard Davies > Yep I'm name dropping! (I had seen Tom Brown's Schooldays in Singapore), > and I asked him if he was proud of his earlier acheivements. > He said he'd rather forget all of them. > > That surprised me. > > Pat > > > > On 22/08/2022 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: > >> ? >> ? Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site >> decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they >> once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst >> at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with >> so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a >> long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. >> >> ? Is it me ? >> >> Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. >> >> Barry >> >> Blame me, I voted leave ! >> >> -- Dave P London SW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Aug 24 06:43:38 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:43:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <80F732CF-2547-4FD0-A8E5-4B46FB9BFE2D@me.com> References: <80F732CF-2547-4FD0-A8E5-4B46FB9BFE2D@me.com> Message-ID: <915f10d1-622e-bcb8-225a-2ef643db97aa@chriswoolf.co.uk> VERA was 1952, so this must have been live, or just conceivably film telerecording. There is some evidence that this was tried at this time. The EMI factory was a couple of hundred metres from the Grand Union Canal, so it could be a factory test. The camera doesn't look like the early Emitron but it does have the same essential shape, so could be a prototype housing. Chris Woolf On 24/08/2022 12:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > I've been sent this by a canalling friend, and it's believed to be at > Brentford in 1939. > > I'm guessing it's an Image Iconoscope, and the mic is an apple & > biscuit (STC 4021)? > > But it must have been live, or maybe VERA? ? Was that around at the > time? ?(I don't think so). > > There's no 'BBC' on the camera, and I can't identify the P&T head. > > Maybe it was just a test by EMI, just up the road in Hayes? (Not > necessarily one of their own cameras). > > > > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* > / > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As I became more experienced and known, especially in this century when, for a while, I was the senior Lighting Director on EastEnders, I always made a point of introducing myself, on behalf of the behind camera team, to any new actor joining the production on their first day, even the biggest names can find it daunting to be joining an established club, which is what a ?soap? is, and so trying to make them quickly feel more part of a team. This usually led to much more banter between front of camera and behind camera, something that I look back on with much affection. I?ve always found the condescending way film people denigrate TV people especially irritating. Muticamera TV production, it seems to me, with its low cost and timescale, is, by far, much more difficult than one shot a day film production. Of course the boundaries are becoming blurred these days, but I still maintain that multicamera soaps or sitcoms are much more difficult to do a good technical job on than any film drama. I?ve done both studio and location, and I do know each has its own problems, especially multi camera location. Whoops, I seem to have slipped into Tony Hancock mode, pompous nobody blowing his own trumpet. Now that IS ironic ! Barry Sent from my iPad > On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham wrote: > ? > Ah! Do I detect a'slap-on-the-wrist' for Pat? > > I was trying to point up the difference between fraternising (not) with talent in BBC TV and the Film Industry. > > We were quite severly told the 'rules' in TV, but I noticed a much more free situation when I went out with an Ealing Film crew to collect sound FX that I would need back in the studio. > > OK, in the film indusry, fraternising with the artistes may be a bit of basking in reflected glory, but all my stories are good, pleasant ones. > > (Except for those involving Michael Winner - can one be sued for slander from beyond the grave?) > > Anyway, it was a rewarding career, and great to look back on. > > Pat > > (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') > > > > On 24/08/2022 09:28, Barry Austin wrote: >> ? >> ? >> ? Perhaps it?s not a question of ?not having any stories to tell?, it would be hard not to have after working in television studio & location production continuously between 1963 and a couple of years ago when cancer forced me to stop, but more a case of not needing to try to impress by endlessly banging on about Stars Wot I Have Known. >> >> I still think it?s ironic to, on the one hand, read comments about ? celebrities? who are celebrities in their own mind only, and then, in the next message, tales about 2 minutes spent on set getting to know, seemingly intimately, some actor whilst waiting for the next take. >> >> I?ve never liked kiss and tell stories, all sorts of things can be said casually between people, particularly the mega famous, that aren?t meant to be broadcast. >> I?m sure we?ve all made comments at one time or another that we regret and wouldn?t like to be generally known, or, again, perhaps, is it just me? >> >> Barry >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 23 Aug 2022, at 17:20, Pat Heigham wrote: >>> ? >>> Yes, Barry, it's you! >>> >>> Perhaps you haven't got any stories to tell...... >>> >>> Remember that technician staff were forbidden to fraternise with artistes. >>> >>> That didn't stop Debbie Watling (From Dr. Who) playing footsie with me >>> under the table in the BBC Club! >>> >>> Walking down the TVC corridor once with John Howard Davies >>> Yep I'm name dropping! (I had seen Tom Brown's Schooldays in Singapore), >>> and I asked him if he was proud of his earlier acheivements. >>> He said he'd rather forget all of them. >>> >>> That surprised me. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22/08/2022 08:50, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>>> ? >>>> ? Is it only me that finds it ironic that some messages on this site decry ?pointless celebrities?, who?s only claim to fame is that they once walked down the same corridor as somebody quite famous, whilst at the same time, we get lots of messages of the ?when I worked with so and so?, and ? I found so and so quite a nice chap? and ? I had a long chat with so and so on the set of this and that ?. >>>> >>>> Is it me ? >>>> >>>> Thinking about it, it?s probably me being curmudgeonly. >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> Blame me, I voted leave ! >>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They were a variant of the studio ?A type? ribbon mics, but modified to be more wind resistant and lighter. It offered a figure of eight response. Directional pick up would have been advantageous compared to the omni dynamic microphones available at the time. The actual boom arrangement is curious and possibly rather cumbersome to operate. It looks as though the microphone could be panned ( but maybe not tilted ) remotely. I?ve seen pictures of comparable booms, but they have never shown the other end in sufficient detail to work out if or how the microphone could be panned operationally while the boom is hand held. The broadcast would have been a live transmission, using a radio link for the video to the mast at Swain?s Lane and then onwards via co-ax cable to Alexandra Palace. I think the sound in those days always went to A.P. via post office lines. There?s a fair chance that the guy in the white coat, seen below the boom, is an engineer. They were often seen wearing that type of coat on location. If anybody lives close to that area, they might be able to see how it looks these days. Alan > On 24 Aug 2022, at 12:07, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I've been sent this by a canalling friend, and it's believed to be at Brentford in 1939. > > I'm guessing it's an Image Iconoscope, and the mic is an apple & biscuit (STC 4021)? > > But it must have been live, or maybe VERA? Was that around at the time? (I don't think so). > > There's no 'BBC' on the camera, and I can't identify the P&T head. > > Maybe it was just a test by EMI, just up the road in Hayes? (Not necessarily one of their own cameras). > > > > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m also puzzled about the microphone boom in this picture. It would have been good to find a better quality image, or images from other angles. The boom seems to have an angled support ( somewhat like a Cox rod on OBs ), but it?s not clear what?s happening to the other end of the boom and how it?s supported. Alan > On 24 Aug 2022, at 13:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > ? > That?s a fascinating photograph. > > The first thing that struck me is that the camera looks odd. Early cameras, such as Emitrons always had a ?nose? sticking out below the front. It?s usually somewhat rectangular with a rounded front, but this one is significantly thinner and more tubular. I suspect that it might be a new camera being tried out, which could explain the lack of the BBC logo. Perhaps somebody more knowledgeable about early cameras could throw some light on exactly what it is? > > I?m pretty sure that the microphone in the boom is a ?B type? ribbon mic. They were a variant of the studio ?A type? ribbon mics, but modified to be more wind resistant and lighter. It offered a figure of eight response. Directional pick up would have been advantageous compared to the omni dynamic microphones available at the time. > > The actual boom arrangement is curious and possibly rather cumbersome to operate. It looks as though the microphone could be panned ( but maybe not tilted ) remotely. I?ve seen pictures of comparable booms, but they have never shown the other end in sufficient detail to work out if or how the microphone could be panned operationally while the boom is hand held. > > The broadcast would have been a live transmission, using a radio link for the video to the mast at Swain?s Lane and then onwards via co-ax cable to Alexandra Palace. I think the sound in those days always went to A.P. via post office lines. > > There?s a fair chance that the guy in the white coat, seen below the boom, is an engineer. They were often seen wearing that type of coat on location. > > If anybody lives close to that area, they might be able to see how it looks these days. > > Alan > > >> On 24 Aug 2022, at 12:07, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> ? >> I've been sent this by a canalling friend, and it's believed to be at Brentford in 1939. >> >> I'm guessing it's an Image Iconoscope, and the mic is an apple & biscuit (STC 4021)? >> >> But it must have been live, or maybe VERA? Was that around at the time? (I don't think so). >> >> There's no 'BBC' on the camera, and I can't identify the P&T head. >> >> Maybe it was just a test by EMI, just up the road in Hayes? 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Early iconscopes and Emitron tubes mounted the electron gun at a forward angle, since the mosaic face had to be scanned on the same side as the optical image. Although most pictures show the gun tube directly below the lens barrel, I'm not sure there was any technical? reason why it couldn't be offset at a different angle - which is what it looks like in this picture. These cameras were pretty well one-offs so it may have been something they tried out. Very hard to see, but the lens panel /could /have been a rotatable version? Which might explain why they would have tried shifting the electron gun round to that odd, squiffy position. Chris Woolf > > > A.P.Herbert interviewing Bill & Lucy Edwards at Brentford 1939 from > magazine The Sphere.jpeg > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* > / > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The dates for the tube are entirely > feasible too. https://tvcameramuseum.org/emi/emitron/super1937/superp1.htm http://www.nostalgiatech.co.uk/P1080134a%20(Medium).jpg Chris Woolf From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Aug 24 08:54:24 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:54:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <26f461db-41ad-06dc-cf56-d567c6907f77@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <80F732CF-2547-4FD0-A8E5-4B46FB9BFE2D@me.com> <0F8E458A-6A9E-4F96-B9DE-0D27D45F15F1@me.com> <26f461db-41ad-06dc-cf56-d567c6907f77@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <24BE5FF7-C96D-4049-8E9F-FCA8FC24153E@icloud.com> The boom looks like it has two arms at the back fastened to some sort of harness that the operator is wearing. A bit like some modern hand-held camera rigs. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Aug 2022, at 14:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > > > On 24/08/2022 13:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> ... >> >> The first thing that struck me is that the camera looks odd. Early cameras, such as Emitrons always had a ?nose? sticking out below the front. It?s usually somewhat rectangular with a rounded front, but this one is significantly thinner and more tubular. . > Early iconscopes and Emitron tubes mounted the electron gun at a forward angle, since the mosaic face had to be scanned on the same side as the optical image. Although most pictures show the gun tube directly below the lens barrel, I'm not sure there was any technical reason why it couldn't be offset at a different angle - which is what it looks like in this picture. These cameras were pretty well one-offs so it may have been something they tried out. Very hard to see, but the lens panel could have been a rotatable version? Which might explain why they would have tried shifting the electron gun round to that odd, squiffy position. > > Chris Woolf > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Aug 24 08:55:25 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:55:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <26f461db-41ad-06dc-cf56-d567c6907f77@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <26f461db-41ad-06dc-cf56-d567c6907f77@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D5F9E5B-15BC-4114-A118-3E471E88399F@me.com> Another view of a similar camera and mounting from 1938. > On 24 Aug 2022, at 14:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > On 24/08/2022 13:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> ... >> >> The first thing that struck me is that the camera looks odd. Early cameras, such as Emitrons always had a ?nose? sticking out below the front. It?s usually somewhat rectangular with a rounded front, but this one is significantly thinner and more tubular. . > Early iconscopes and Emitron tubes mounted the electron gun at a forward angle, since the mosaic face had to be scanned on the same side as the optical image. Although most pictures show the gun tube directly below the lens barrel, I'm not sure there was any technical reason why it couldn't be offset at a different angle - which is what it looks like in this picture. These cameras were pretty well one-offs so it may have been something they tried out. Very hard to see, but the lens panel could have been a rotatable version? Which might explain why they would have tried shifting the electron gun round to that odd, squiffy position. > > Chris Woolf > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any other suggestions? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > Alec > > > > -- > > ======= > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 13:13:31 2022 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:13:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1966 Election In-Reply-To: <67B76024-0984-46E3-B015-5FBBE537C787@talktalk.net> References: <8491d574-1a84-3536-b73a-f33752cd6d63@gmail.com> <67B76024-0984-46E3-B015-5FBBE537C787@talktalk.net> Message-ID: It was a Mole on the 1964 October Election - I know because I tracked it! See diary entry attached. Geoff F > On 24 Aug 2022, at 18:01, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: > > Great clip, and I love the row of standby 4038s in front of the desk, not seen that before. > > Hugh > > > >> On 24 Aug 2022, at 17:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Could that be a Mole Crane - probably need to see it moving... if not, what? I think it took the opening shot. Any other suggestions? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Alec >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ======= >> >> Alec Bray >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> Mob: 07789 561 346 >> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. Mike G > On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Aug 24 17:00:30 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 23:00:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> Message-ID: <535B9AF8C8F4407D9BAB7E24A531959E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Fair point Mike, it is on occasion somewhat unclear. Perhaps we should all have a catch phrase - "Don't blame me...." works a treat! Being Yorkshire born and Somerset by adoption I've sometimes employed 'West Country Tyke' but as the name Newbitt is about as common as hen's teeth maybe pretty unnecessary! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 10:39 PM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke of unrequired contributions from talent. I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. Mike G > On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my > Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the > official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official > records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift > from the author. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths >> teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun >> Buster') > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Aug 24 18:30:50 2022 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 00:30:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> Message-ID: <63025885-6FE9-4B6A-A403-437A77D9EC5C@btinternet.com> Hi Mike, I?ve never been called the wrong Barry! It?s odd that when I joined the BBC there was Barry Austin then me, Barry Bonner and a couple of years later Barry Cobden! So that was Barry A?.Barry B?&...Barry C I wonder if there was a Barry D! I was on a seminar once along with Andy Austin, Chris Cotton & Dudley Derby?hence AA, BB, CC, & DD! Barry. On 24 Aug 2022, at 22:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke of unrequired contributions from talent. > > I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! > > Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. > > Mike G > >> On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 19:17:19 2022 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:17:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <63025885-6FE9-4B6A-A403-437A77D9EC5C@btinternet.com> References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> <63025885-6FE9-4B6A-A403-437A77D9EC5C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? Geoff F On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 00:31, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Mike, > I?ve never been called the wrong Barry! It?s odd that when I joined the > BBC there was Barry Austin then me, Barry Bonner and a couple of years > later Barry Cobden! > So that was Barry *A*?.Barry *B*?&...Barry *C *I wonder if there was a > Barry *D!* > > I was on a seminar once along with Andy Austin, Chris Cotton & Dudley > Derby?hence AA, BB, CC, & DD! > > Barry. > > > > On 24 Aug 2022, at 22:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke > of unrequired contributions from talent. > > I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the > only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have > worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not > actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to > amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now > realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! > > Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous > occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first > name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the > same moniker. > > Mike G > > On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my > Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the > official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. > The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the > author. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths > teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun > Buster') > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Aug 25 01:45:18 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:45:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com><63025885-6FE9-4B6A-A403-437A77D9EC5C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: How about ?The Islanders?? Dave Newbitt. From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:17 AM To: Barry Bonner Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? Geoff F On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 00:31, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: Hi Mike, I?ve never been called the wrong Barry! It?s odd that when I joined the BBC there was Barry Austin then me, Barry Bonner and a couple of years later Barry Cobden! So that was Barry A?.Barry B?&...Barry C I wonder if there was a Barry D! I was on a seminar once along with Andy Austin, Chris Cotton & Dudley Derby?hence AA, BB, CC, & DD! Barry. On 24 Aug 2022, at 22:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke of unrequired contributions from talent. I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. Mike G On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. ? Graeme Wall On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Aug 25 01:53:12 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:53:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> Message-ID: <7b7cb00b-4283-15e7-a288-0af0943360f9@amps.net> Yes, I have difficulty distinguishing between Dave Plowman and Dave Newbitt, both signing off as 'Dave' so one has to look closely at the sender's address. Pat H On 24/08/2022 22:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke of unrequired contributions from talent. > > I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! > > Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. > > Mike G > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Aug 25 01:53:22 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:53:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > ? what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s Obviously the name is Barrymore. Alan From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Aug 25 01:57:45 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:57:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> <63025885-6FE9-4B6A-A403-437A77D9EC5C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <391e6f35-1edf-967c-3706-73895eeab03c@amps.net> A 'Barrage' ? Pat H On 25/08/2022 01:17, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a > group of Barry?s? > Geoff F > > On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 00:31, Barry Bonner via Tech1 > wrote: > > Hi Mike, > I?ve never been called the wrong Barry! It?s odd that when I > joined the BBC there was Barry Austin then me, Barry Bonner and a > couple of years later Barry Cobden! > So that was Barry *A*?.Barry *B*?&...Barry *C *I wonder if there > was a Barry *D!* > * > * > **I was on a seminar once along with Andy Austin, Chris Cotton & > Dudley Derby?hence AA, BB, CC, & DD! > > Barry. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s odd that when I joined the BBC there was Barry Austin then me, Barry Bonner and a couple of years later Barry Cobden! >> So that was Barry A?.Barry B?&...Barry C I wonder if there was a Barry D! >> >> I was on a seminar once along with Andy Austin, Chris Cotton & Dudley Derby?hence AA, BB, CC, & DD! >> >> Barry. >> >> >> >>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 22:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke of unrequired contributions from talent. >>> >>> I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! >>> >>> Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! > > Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. > > Mike G > >> On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Aug 25 03:48:01 2022 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:48:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <7b7cb00b-4283-15e7-a288-0af0943360f9@amps.net> References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> <7b7cb00b-4283-15e7-a288-0af0943360f9@amps.net> Message-ID: Really? ? On 25/08/2022 07:53, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Yes, I have difficulty distinguishing between Dave Plowman and Dave > Newbitt, both signing off as 'Dave' so one has to look closely at the > sender's address. > > Pat H > > > -- Dave P London SW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 04:57:02 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 10:57:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> <63025885-6FE9-4B6A-A403-437A77D9EC5C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: A testcard of Bars. On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 01:17, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? > Geoff F From alawrance1 at me.com Thu Aug 25 05:34:24 2022 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:34:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429D0420-870D-4500-AEDC-7423F21B1892@me.com> Sorry, Dave, that's an aircraft. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 25 Aug 2022, at 07:45, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > How about ?The Islanders?? > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:17 AM > To: Barry Bonner > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old > > Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? > Geoff F > > On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 00:31, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> I?ve never been called the wrong Barry! It?s odd that when I joined the BBC there was Barry Austin then me, Barry Bonner and a couple of years later Barry Cobden! >> So that was Barry A?.Barry B?&...Barry C I wonder if there was a Barry D! >> >> I was on a seminar once along with Andy Austin, Chris Cotton & Dudley Derby?hence AA, BB, CC, & DD! >> >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 24 Aug 2022, at 22:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke of unrequired contributions from talent. >>> >>> I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! >>> >>> Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Aug 25 06:06:49 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:06:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> <63025885-6FE9-4B6A-A403-437A77D9EC5C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: An embarryssment Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > On 25 Aug 2022, at 10:57, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?A testcard of Bars. > >> On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 01:17, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? >> Geoff F From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Aug 25 06:12:27 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 12:12:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <429D0420-870D-4500-AEDC-7423F21B1892@me.com> References: <429D0420-870D-4500-AEDC-7423F21B1892@me.com> Message-ID: <868EA655-52D1-42F2-84D7-4617EAD04193@icloud.com> Scrap that idea then (old railway joke) ? Graeme Wall > On 25 Aug 2022, at 11:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Sorry, Dave, that's an aircraft. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 25 Aug 2022, at 07:45, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> How about ?The Islanders?? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 >> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:17 AM >> To: Barry Bonner >> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old >> >> Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? >> Geoff F >> >> On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 00:31, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> I?ve never been called the wrong Barry! It?s odd that when I joined the BBC there was Barry Austin then me, Barry Bonner and a couple of years later Barry Cobden! >> So that was Barry A?.Barry B?&...Barry C I wonder if there was a Barry D! >> >> I was on a seminar once along with Andy Austin, Chris Cotton & Dudley Derby?hence AA, BB, CC, & DD! >> >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 24 Aug 2022, at 22:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke of unrequired contributions from talent. >>> >>> I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! >>> >>> Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? He was my maths teacher at school, and wrote wartime set books under the pen name of 'Gun Buster') >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Aug 25 07:04:48 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:04:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: References: <04293ED1-8687-4D27-A658-70AABA731772@mac.com> <63025885-6FE9-4B6A-A403-437A77D9EC5C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3ece751e-ea3c-1b55-ca24-d06b897ef87c@amps.net> Love that one, Nick - well done! Here's yet another: Barrycade (like a motorcade) Pat H On 25/08/2022 12:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > An embarryssment > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > > >>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 01:17, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? >>> Geoff F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 08:08:12 2022 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:08:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <80F732CF-2547-4FD0-A8E5-4B46FB9BFE2D@me.com> References: <80F732CF-2547-4FD0-A8E5-4B46FB9BFE2D@me.com> Message-ID: <23cbe826-94df-b3b9-93cb-415f8259b258@gmail.com> Hi all, Isn't the ped an "ironman"? 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Barry ( one of the few ) Sent from my iPad > On 25 Aug 2022, at 13:05, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Love that one, Nick - well done! > > Here's yet another: > > Barrycade (like a motorcade) > > > > Pat H > > On 25/08/2022 12:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> An embarryssment >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >> >> >>>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 01:17, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? >>>> Geoff F > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Aug 25 11:14:08 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:14:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Definitely getting old In-Reply-To: <429D0420-870D-4500-AEDC-7423F21B1892@me.com> References: <429D0420-870D-4500-AEDC-7423F21B1892@me.com> Message-ID: Maybe Trislanders then! Dave Newbitt. (late effort ? been at Melplash Show all day). From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 11:34 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old Sorry, Dave, that's an aircraft. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 25 Aug 2022, at 07:45, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? How about ?The Islanders?? Dave Newbitt. From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 1:17 AM To: Barry Bonner Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Definitely getting old Barry Chatfield at Pebble Mill too - what?s the collective name for a group of Barry?s? Geoff F On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 at 00:31, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: Hi Mike, I?ve never been called the wrong Barry! It?s odd that when I joined the BBC there was Barry Austin then me, Barry Bonner and a couple of years later Barry Cobden! So that was Barry A?.Barry B?&...Barry C I wonder if there was a Barry D! I was on a seminar once along with Andy Austin, Chris Cotton & Dudley Derby?hence AA, BB, CC, & DD! Barry. On 24 Aug 2022, at 22:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: Whoops - I was responding to a message about the wrong Barry when I spoke of unrequired contributions from talent. I often don?t see the name of the originator in Tech1 messages and the only way to establish who it was is to create a reply, which wouldn?t have worked anyway in this case as the message I was replying to was not actually from the subject of my attempt at humour (apologies if I failed to amuse). I had assumed that the Barry in this case was Barry B, but now realise that the trade mark font was missing, which should have been a clue! Does anyone else suffer from this anonymity? I suggested on a previous occasion that it would be awfully helpful if people signed off with a first name and at least an initial when there are more than one of us with the same moniker. Mike G On 24 Aug 2022, at 11:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?I have one of his books here, ?Return via Dunkirk?. It belonged to my Grandfather, who was a librarian at the War Office in WW2 and was the official liason for authors like Austin wanting access to official records. The copy I have is not inscribed but may well have been a gift from the author. ? Graeme Wall On 24 Aug 2022, at 10:42, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: (Barry - are you related to Captain Richard Austin? 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OB?s were the first to benefit by having the Super Emi?s, due to their ability to work in low light levels, as compared to the standard Emitron. Wireless World (in their issues of 18th November 1937) reported the first use of the Super Emitron at the the Lord Mayors Show OB on the 9th November.? Although a few Super Emi camera tubes survive in museums no actual camera heads are known to exist. The (pre-war) tx date from David would match with the image as pre-war cameras did not have BBC insignia on their cases.? They only gained the lettering from the resumption on the service in 1946. John Trenouth (former Television Curator at the National Media Museum in Bradford) has stated: The BBC have three Emitron camera heads.? One is on display; one is in storage and the third is on loan to the Media Museum.?? The Media Museum also have an Emitron head of their own - ex science museum with an acrylic panel fitted on the side so you can see inside. This is the only Emitron that has a complete chain, cable, CCU & PSU.? There is also an example of an Emitron head belonging to EMI in the Black Dyke stores at Bradford. That makes a total of 5 heads. They all have minor differences due to being hand built. There is a rumour of a very incomplete sixth example, but I was never able to run it to earth. We also hold a Super Emitron tube, but no complete Super Emitron camera head is known exist. We have an Emitron camera tube in the APTS equipment archive, donated by Monique, the widow of Norman Taylor. Simon Vaughan Archivist for and on behalf of Alexandra Palace Television Society ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mob: +44 (0)7791 780882 Email: apts at apts.org.uk Twitter: https://twitter.com/APTSArchive Web: www.apts.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Tech1 on behalf of Chris Woolf via Tech1 Reply to: Date: Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 14:19 To: Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie On 24/08/2022 13:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ... The first thing that struck me is that the camera looks odd. Early cameras, such as Emitrons always had a ?nose? sticking out below the front. It?s usually somewhat rectangular with a rounded front, but this one is significantly thinner and more tubular. . Early iconscopes and Emitron tubes mounted the electron gun at a forward angle, since the mosaic face had to be scanned on the same side as the optical image. Although most pictures show the gun tube directly below the lens barrel, I'm not sure there was any technical reason why it couldn't be offset at a different angle - which is what it looks like in this picture. These cameras were pretty well one-offs so it may have been something they tried out. Very hard to see, but the lens panel could have been a rotatable version? Which might explain why they would have tried shifting the electron gun round to that odd, squiffy position. 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Simon Vaughan Archivist for and on behalf of Alexandra Palace Television Society ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mob: +44 (0)7791 780882 Email: apts at apts.org.uk Twitter: https://twitter.com/APTSArchive Web: www.apts.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Simon Vaughan Date: Thursday, 25 August 2022 at 17:35 To: , Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie I?ve attached a photo of a Super Emitron at the 1948 Olympic games. It matches with the photograph from Chris, albeit 9 years and a world war apart! There were two versions of the Super Emi ? the ?curved back? and the ?square back?. The square version was believed to be a retro fit conducted by EMI on existing Emitron camera cases (attached). OB?s were the first to benefit by having the Super Emi?s, due to their ability to work in low light levels, as compared to the standard Emitron. Wireless World (in their issues of 18th November 1937) reported the first use of the Super Emitron at the the Lord Mayors Show OB on the 9th November. Although a few Super Emi camera tubes survive in museums no actual camera heads are known to exist. The (pre-war) tx date from David would match with the image as pre-war cameras did not have BBC insignia on their cases. They only gained the lettering from the resumption on the service in 1946. John Trenouth (former Television Curator at the National Media Museum in Bradford) has stated: The BBC have three Emitron camera heads. One is on display; one is in storage and the third is on loan to the Media Museum. The Media Museum also have an Emitron head of their own - ex science museum with an acrylic panel fitted on the side so you can see inside. This is the only Emitron that has a complete chain, cable, CCU & PSU. There is also an example of an Emitron head belonging to EMI in the Black Dyke stores at Bradford. That makes a total of 5 heads. They all have minor differences due to being hand built. There is a rumour of a very incomplete sixth example, but I was never able to run it to earth. We also hold a Super Emitron tube, but no complete Super Emitron camera head is known exist. We have an Emitron camera tube in the APTS equipment archive, donated by Monique, the widow of Norman Taylor. Simon Vaughan Archivist for and on behalf of Alexandra Palace Television Society ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mob: +44 (0)7791 780882 Email: apts at apts.org.uk Twitter: https://twitter.com/APTSArchive Web: www.apts.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Tech1 on behalf of Chris Woolf via Tech1 Reply to: Date: Wednesday, 24 August 2022 at 14:19 To: Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie On 24/08/2022 13:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ... The first thing that struck me is that the camera looks odd. Early cameras, such as Emitrons always had a ?nose? sticking out below the front. It?s usually somewhat rectangular with a rounded front, but this one is significantly thinner and more tubular. . Early iconscopes and Emitron tubes mounted the electron gun at a forward angle, since the mosaic face had to be scanned on the same side as the optical image. Although most pictures show the gun tube directly below the lens barrel, I'm not sure there was any technical reason why it couldn't be offset at a different angle - which is what it looks like in this picture. These cameras were pretty well one-offs so it may have been something they tried out. Very hard to see, but the lens panel could have been a rotatable version? Which might explain why they would have tried shifting the electron gun round to that odd, squiffy position. 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Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 176147 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Aug 25 14:14:34 2022 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 19:14:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <0EAF14B5-84A8-496E-B6DA-934E233FE836@me.com> References: <4EE6F97B-1A60-4D12-9DF6-FE24990AC0E4@apts.org.uk> <0EAF14B5-84A8-496E-B6DA-934E233FE836@me.com> Message-ID: In May 1957 my Dad gave me a book called ?How and Why it Works? pub. Odhams. It basically got me interested in all things technical in my last year at a school, a school that had little interest in teaching the sciences. They were all about sports and non-technical things. Little did I know then that four years later I would be working at the BBC. However, I never saw a TV camera like this! But, I had made a simple oscilloscope using a 6? cathode ray tube like the one shown on the left. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad [image0.jpeg] On 25 Aug 2022, at 18:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Simon has confirmed that, as we suspected, the camera at the canal OB was indeed a super Emitron. I?ve made a composite picture of the three images for comparison and I can?t spot any differences between the Canal camera and the Boat Race camera, it could even be the same one used each time. There are superficial differences with the Olympic camera, but clearly they are all fundamentally the same type of camera. The super Emitrons were so much more sensitive than standard Emitrons that there are accounts of football matches taking place in failing light. The scanner had only one super Emitron, so there came a point where match coverage routinely continued on just that one camera after the standard Emitrons could no longer cope. Alan -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 176147 bytes Desc: image.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1688994 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From apts at apts.org.uk Thu Aug 25 14:45:46 2022 From: apts at apts.org.uk (Simon Vaughan) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 20:45:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: <4EE6F97B-1A60-4D12-9DF6-FE24990AC0E4@apts.org.uk> <0EAF14B5-84A8-496E-B6DA-934E233FE836@me.com> Message-ID: <4ECED376-7F2D-427E-901F-4CE6BC5CF52A@apts.org.uk> I know the book well Nick, it inspired my interest in TV, but from a historical perspective.? I think it was originally published in the late 1940s, but had subsequent reprints. The ?model stage? depiction - bottom left (right-hand page) is from ?The Sleeping Princess?, featuring Margot Fonteyn, tx March 1939. Attached is the original photograph from the studio production which was used for the drawing. Cheers Si Simon Vaughan Archivist for and on behalf of Alexandra Palace Television Society ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mob: +44 (0)7791 780882 Email: apts at apts.org.uk Twitter: https://twitter.com/APTSArchive Web: www.apts.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Tech1 on behalf of Nick Ware via Tech1 Reply to: Nick Ware Date: Thursday, 25 August 2022 at 20:14 To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In May 1957 my Dad gave me a book called ?How and Why it Works? pub. Odhams. It basically got me interested in all things technical in my last year at a school, a school that had little interest in teaching the sciences. They were all about sports and non-technical things. Little did I know then that four years later I would be working at the BBC. However, I never saw a TV camera like this! But, I had made a simple oscilloscope using a 6? cathode ray tube like the one shown on the left. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad On 25 Aug 2022, at 18:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Simon has confirmed that, as we suspected, the camera at the canal OB was indeed a super Emitron. I?ve made a composite picture of the three images for comparison and I can?t spot any differences between the Canal camera and the Boat Race camera, it could even be the same one used each time. There are superficial differences with the Olympic camera, but clearly they are all fundamentally the same type of camera. The super Emitrons were so much more sensitive than standard Emitrons that there are accounts of football matches taking place in failing light. The scanner had only one super Emitron, so there came a point where match coverage routinely continued on just that one camera after the standard Emitrons could no longer cope. Alan -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk This email has been scanned by iomartcloud. http://www.iomartcloud.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ___________________________________________ This email has been scanned by iomartcloud. http://www.iomartcloud.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1688995 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Never did such a painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the river?? Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual court cases. I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in parliament too. Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Aug 26 02:26:20 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 08:26:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <8AF4BFEA-FDF9-49F7-B28A-612B696B61A3@me.com> References: <8AF4BFEA-FDF9-49F7-B28A-612B696B61A3@me.com> Message-ID: <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> Agreed, Alan. Churchill was also given to the witty 'bon mot'. Magnus Pike was always amusing, too, waving his arms about like a demented windmill! Normally, I hate presenters who use their arms too much, for emphasis, but loved Adam Hart-Davies, who described himself as a 'testiculator': " I wave my arms about and talk bollocks!" Totally agree with your last comment, too! Best Pat On 25/08/2022 23:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote >> > > That MP was A.P. Herbert, who was described by Winston Churchill as > the ?funniest man in a England and perhaps the wisest.? > > He regularly wrote for Punch and The Observer. ?When he stood as an > independent MP, he penned a very unconventional 5,000 word election > address containing the disarmingly honest statement ? Agriculture: I > know nothing about agriculture?. > > Once elected to parliament, he made his highly entertaining maiden > speech on the second day of business. ?Churchill said ?Call that a > maiden speech? ?It was a brazen hussy of a speech. Never did such a > painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? > > He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. > ?During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew > working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked > to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. > > He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of > absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes > flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the > river?? ?Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals > were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual > court cases. > > I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. > We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. > ?Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in > parliament too. > > Alan > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barryaustin2000 at icloud.com Fri Aug 26 04:21:16 2022 From: barryaustin2000 at icloud.com (Barry Austin) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:21:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie Message-ID: ? ?I remember Misleading Cases being made into series of 30 minute sitcoms, in TV Centre, 3 series around 1970. Early ones in black and white, later ones in colour. I think John Howard Davies produced some, and Micheal Mills the rest. I seem to remember Otis Eddy or Bill Bailey lighting and Norman Grieves or Robin Luxford on sound, ?fraid can?t remember the camera crew. Roy Doltrice played A.P. Herbert, Alister Sim the judge, Avril Landone the wife and Thorley Walters the prosecutor. How?s that for a sitcom cast. There were also some really big names in individual episodes in cameo roles for that one episode. They were made, if my memory serves me well, just as a normal sitcom, i.e. shot multicamera, top to bottom, rehearsed morning and afternoon, recorded in the evening in front of an audience, in one studio day, weekly. They were quite wordy scripts, the bulk of each episode being the court proceedings in various cases of law involving A.P.Herbert testing various oddities and nonsenses in our laws, and I thought very funny. I remember the ?rights of way? one, it was about Thames riverside roads in Chiswick that flood regularly, not deep enough to stop cars, but deep enough to row a boat on. A.P. Herbert rowed his little boat a long this flooded road keeping to the right, as you should on waterways, and came across a motorist keeping to the left, as you should on the road. An argument about which one was in the right ensued and it went to court, can?t remember the outcome. I remember another one, where A.P. decided, for some reason, to pay his taxes by putting a cheque in a bottle and floating it down the Thames to government, claiming it was a legitimate way to deliver his tax. Again, don?t remember the outcome. Also, there were episodes about whether swearing on a golf course was alright, because the game of golf caused men to forget they were gentlemen, and whether a cheque written on the leather from the side of a cow was legitimate. They don?t make ?em like that anymore Barry Austin p.s. Hope my memory?s not playing tricks, and all the above is correct ! Sent from my iPad > On 26 Aug 2022, at 08:26, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Agreed, Alan. > > Churchill was also given to the witty 'bon mot'. > > Magnus Pike was always amusing, too, waving his arms about like a demented windmill! > > Normally, I hate presenters who use their arms too much, for emphasis, > but loved Adam Hart-Davies, who described himself as a 'testiculator': > " I wave my arms about and talk bollocks!" > > Totally agree with your last comment, too! > > Best > > Pat > > On 25/08/2022 23:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote >> >> That MP was A.P. Herbert, who was described by Winston Churchill as the ?funniest man in a England and perhaps the wisest.? >> >> He regularly wrote for Punch and The Observer. When he stood as an independent MP, he penned a very unconventional 5,000 word election address containing the disarmingly honest statement ? Agriculture: I know nothing about agriculture?. >> >> Once elected to parliament, he made his highly entertaining maiden speech on the second day of business. Churchill said ?Call that a maiden speech? It was a brazen hussy of a speech. Never did such a painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? >> >> He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. >> >> He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the river?? Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual court cases. >> >> I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in parliament too. >> >> Alan > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Aug 26 04:28:01 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:28:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> References: <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> Message-ID: One amusing thing I forgot to mention about A.P. Herbert is that he once drafted a Bill in Parliament in verse. Prior to becoming a permanent member of the sound department, I was working in Sound Test Room and had built a piece of sound equipment. It needed some instructions to be written, but I knew that nobody reads instructions. Therefore I tried to make them amusing, writing them in rhyming couplets. People might not pay attention to the instructions, but at least they might read them. When I worked on a show profiling the contenders in a poetry competition in Cambridge, upon my return to base I decided to write my expenses in rhyming couplets. It was noticed by Jackie, the head of the admin office. She photocopied it and put it on the office notice board. My other expense claim which earned a spot on the coveted admin office notice board was a fictitious claim for A. Wiseman, travelling to Bethlehem on 25/12/0000. It included hundreds of miles travelled by shared camel. Where the form asks for capacity, I wrote 3 litres, or 6 litres if bricked while head in trough. Other items on the claim included myrrh as an expense and one night top rate schedule A. I justified the top rate because having to share accommodation with the son of God must be almost on a par with having to share with the production team. Although there was no mention of my name on the claim, Jackie was quite confident that she knew who sent it and returned a copy to me with what looked like a red rubber stamp saying ?Rejected - Late claim?. Alan > On 26 Aug 2022, at 08:26, Pat Heigham wrote: > > ? > Agreed, Alan. > > Churchill was also given to the witty 'bon mot'. > > Magnus Pike was always amusing, too, waving his arms about like a demented windmill! > > Normally, I hate presenters who use their arms too much, for emphasis, > but loved Adam Hart-Davies, who described himself as a 'testiculator': > " I wave my arms about and talk bollocks!" > > Totally agree with your last comment, too! > > Best > > Pat > > On 25/08/2022 23:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote >>> >> >> That MP was A.P. Herbert, who was described by Winston Churchill as the ?funniest man in a England and perhaps the wisest.? >> >> He regularly wrote for Punch and The Observer. When he stood as an independent MP, he penned a very unconventional 5,000 word election address containing the disarmingly honest statement ? Agriculture: I know nothing about agriculture?. >> >> Once elected to parliament, he made his highly entertaining maiden speech on the second day of business. Churchill said ?Call that a maiden speech? It was a brazen hussy of a speech. Never did such a painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? >> >> He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. >> >> He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the river?? Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual court cases. >> >> I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in parliament too. >> >> Alan >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 05:05:23 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:05:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi that Barry Your memory is quite correct. Three seasons, 1967, 1968 and 1971. Mills the first one, JHD the later ones. Sadly, most of the episodes have long been wiped. Only one each from the first two seasons and two from the third surviving. And off-air home audio recordings of another seven. One of the survivors is 'Right of Way' from 1968. 1967's is 'Is Britain a Free Country?', the colour ones are 'The Usual Channel' and 'Regina Versus Sagittarius' (the final episode of the run, with John Cleese guesting). 'The Negotiable Cow' and 'Is a Golfer a Gentleman?' were the first two episodes. Two of the existing audio recordings. These might be of interest... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eST9UCJYHfo&list=PLVYUq7aYmz1PeUYVnQBgXuui97taKf0A6 David Brunt On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 10:21, Barry Austin via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?I remember Misleading Cases being made into series of 30 minute sitcoms, in TV Centre, 3 series around 1970. Early ones in black and white, later ones in colour. > I think John Howard Davies produced some, and Micheal Mills the rest. I seem to remember Otis Eddy or Bill Bailey lighting and Norman Grieves or Robin Luxford on sound, ?fraid can?t remember the camera crew. > > Roy Doltrice played A.P. Herbert, Alister Sim the judge, Avril Landone the wife and Thorley Walters the prosecutor. How?s that for a sitcom cast. There were also some really big names in individual episodes in cameo roles for that one episode. They were made, if my memory serves me well, just as a normal sitcom, i.e. shot multicamera, top to bottom, rehearsed morning and afternoon, recorded in the evening in front of an audience, in one studio day, weekly. They were quite wordy scripts, the bulk of each episode being the court proceedings in various cases of law involving A.P.Herbert testing various oddities and nonsenses in our laws, and I thought very funny. > > I remember the ?rights of way? one, it was about Thames riverside roads in Chiswick that flood regularly, not deep enough to stop cars, but deep enough to row a boat on. A.P. Herbert rowed his little boat a long this flooded road keeping to the right, as you should on waterways, and came across a motorist keeping to the left, as you should on the road. An argument about which one was in the right ensued and it went to court, can?t remember the outcome. > > I remember another one, where A.P. decided, for some reason, to pay his taxes by putting a cheque in a bottle and floating it down the Thames to government, claiming it was a legitimate way to deliver his tax. Again, don?t remember the outcome. > > Also, there were episodes about whether swearing on a golf course was alright, because the game of golf caused men to forget they were gentlemen, and whether a cheque written on the leather from the side of a cow was legitimate. > > They don?t make ?em like that anymore > > Barry Austin > > p.s. Hope my memory?s not playing tricks, and all the above is correct ! > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Aug 2022, at 08:26, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > Agreed, Alan. > > Churchill was also given to the witty 'bon mot'. > > Magnus Pike was always amusing, too, waving his arms about like a demented windmill! > > Normally, I hate presenters who use their arms too much, for emphasis, > but loved Adam Hart-Davies, who described himself as a 'testiculator': > " I wave my arms about and talk bollocks!" > > Totally agree with your last comment, too! > > Best > > Pat > > On 25/08/2022 23:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote > > > > That MP was A.P. Herbert, who was described by Winston Churchill as the ?funniest man in a England and perhaps the wisest.? > > He regularly wrote for Punch and The Observer. When he stood as an independent MP, he penned a very unconventional 5,000 word election address containing the disarmingly honest statement ? Agriculture: I know nothing about agriculture?. > > Once elected to parliament, he made his highly entertaining maiden speech on the second day of business. Churchill said ?Call that a maiden speech? It was a brazen hussy of a speech. Never did such a painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? > > He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. > > He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the river?? Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual court cases. > > I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in parliament too. > > Alan > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Aug 26 05:13:24 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:13:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> Message-ID: <54c26429-c9fa-a550-380a-244df7b9b5fb@amps.net> I cannot imagime Ma Jenner joining in the jocularity, or Ann Boorman at Thames! 'Bricking' - doesnt the pay-off include: " But doesn't it hurt?" "No, gotta keep your thumbs outside!" Working on a TV movie about Andrei Sakharov, an office set had a desk prop which was an embossing stamp of the Russian Eagle, so we duly stamped our time sheets before rendering them! Best Pat H On 26/08/2022 10:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > When I worked on a show profiling the contenders in a poetry > competition in Cambridge, upon my return to base I decided to write my > expenses in rhyming couplets. ?It was noticed by Jackie, the head of > the admin ?office. ?She photocopied it and put it on the office notice > board. > > My other expense claim which earned a spot on the coveted admin office > notice board was a fictitious claim for A. Wiseman, travelling to > Bethlehem on 25/12/0000. ?It included hundreds of miles travelled by > shared camel. ?Where the form asks for capacity, I wrote 3 litres, or > 6 litres if bricked while head in trough. Other items on the claim > included myrrh as an expense and one night top rate schedule A. ?I > justified the top rate because having to share accommodation with the > son of God must be almost on a par with having to share with the > production team. > > Although there was no mention of my name on the claim, Jackie was > quite confident that she knew who sent it and returned a copy to me > with what looked like a red rubber stamp saying ?Rejected - Late claim?. > > Alan > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Aug 26 06:13:39 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:13:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <54c26429-c9fa-a550-380a-244df7b9b5fb@amps.net> References: <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> <54c26429-c9fa-a550-380a-244df7b9b5fb@amps.net> Message-ID: In my memory Pat, your namesake ?Pat? Jenner was a bit of a stickler and may have come across as somewhat humourless but she was fair (if firm) and did sometimes show a softer side. Not a good idea to try and get one over on her though. Her No.2, (whose name I have forgotten) was, shall we say, a little more pliable. Late night transport/use of own car was a sometimes contentious issue ? the last bus (say the 220 to Croydon) may have been such as to support the claim but I guess a bit of LT super knowledge might have found an alternative. Dave Newbitt. From: Pat Heigham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 11:13 AM To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie I cannot imagime Ma Jenner joining in the jocularity, or Ann Boorman at Thames! 'Bricking' - doesnt the pay-off include: " But doesn't it hurt?" "No, gotta keep your thumbs outside!" Working on a TV movie about Andrei Sakharov, an office set had a desk prop which was an embossing stamp of the Russian Eagle, so we duly stamped our time sheets before rendering them! Best Pat H On 26/08/2022 10:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: When I worked on a show profiling the contenders in a poetry competition in Cambridge, upon my return to base I decided to write my expenses in rhyming couplets. It was noticed by Jackie, the head of the admin office. She photocopied it and put it on the office notice board. My other expense claim which earned a spot on the coveted admin office notice board was a fictitious claim for A. Wiseman, travelling to Bethlehem on 25/12/0000. It included hundreds of miles travelled by shared camel. Where the form asks for capacity, I wrote 3 litres, or 6 litres if bricked while head in trough. Other items on the claim included myrrh as an expense and one night top rate schedule A. I justified the top rate because having to share accommodation with the son of God must be almost on a par with having to share with the production team. Although there was no mention of my name on the claim, Jackie was quite confident that she knew who sent it and returned a copy to me with what looked like a red rubber stamp saying ?Rejected - Late claim?. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 06:26:15 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:26:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] I think I want one of these Message-ID: https://www.jetsonaero.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More than a little worrying that it requires no licence (in the US), no regulation, no control. I'm not sure which is the more at risk - the pilot or anyone on the ground. Chris Woolf On 26/08/2022 14:00, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: Why does a Persian scythed chariot come to mind? Peter Fox On 26 Aug 2022, at 12:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? https://www.jetsonaero.com/ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure which is the more at risk - >> the pilot or anyone on the ground. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> On 26/08/2022 14:00, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: >>> Why does a Persian scythed chariot come to mind? >>> >>> Peter Fox >>> >>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 12:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? https://www.jetsonaero.com/ -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsnape at talktalk.net Fri Aug 26 10:32:57 2022 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 16:32:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] I think I want one of these In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :^( > On 26 Aug 2022, at 16:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Or, option 3: someone in another one not looking where they?re going. > But give it time - quantum computing will provide the solution to all that. > N > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > >>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 15:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> More than a little worrying that it requires no licence (in the US), no regulation, no control. I'm not sure which is the more at risk - the pilot or anyone on the ground. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >>> On 26/08/2022 14:00, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: >>> Why does a Persian scythed chariot come to mind? >>> >>> Peter Fox >>> >>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 12:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? https://www.jetsonaero.com/ -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or, option 3: someone in another one not looking where they?re going. > But give it time - quantum computing will provide the solution to all that. > N > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > >>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 15:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> More than a little worrying that it requires no licence (in the US), no regulation, no control. I'm not sure which is the more at risk - the pilot or anyone on the ground. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >>> On 26/08/2022 14:00, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: >>> Why does a Persian scythed chariot come to mind? >>> >>> Peter Fox >>> >>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 12:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? https://www.jetsonaero.com/ -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Aug 26 14:50:56 2022 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 19:50:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> References: <8AF4BFEA-FDF9-49F7-B28A-612B696B61A3@me.com> <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> Message-ID: As for Winston Churchill, he was once asked about his position on whiskey. Here's how he answered: "If you mean whiskey, the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; If you mean that evil drink that topples men and women from the pinnacles of righteous and gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, shame, despair, helplessness and hopelessness, then, my friend, I am opposed to it with every fibre of my being." "However, if by whiskey you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the elixir of life, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; If you mean good cheer, the stimulating sip that puts a little spring in the step of an elderly gentleman on a frosty morning; If you mean that drink that enables man to magnify his joy, and to forget life's great tragedies and heartbreaks and sorrow; If you mean that drink the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of pounds each year, that provides tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitifully aged and infirm, to build the finest highways, hospitals, universities, and community colleges in this nation... ?Then my friend, I am absolutely, unequivocally in favour of it..!!! "This is my position, and as always, I refuse to compromise on matters of principle." TeaTeaFN - Tony (probably the only one on this list) Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, August 26th, 2022 at 08:26, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > Agreed, Alan. > > Churchill was also given to the witty 'bon mot'. > > Magnus Pike was always amusing, too, waving his arms about like a demented windmill! > > Normally, I hate presenters who use their arms too much, for emphasis, > but loved Adam Hart-Davies, who described himself as a 'testiculator': > " I wave my arms about and talk bollocks!" > > Totally agree with your last comment, too! > > Best > > Pat > > On 25/08/2022 23:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote > >>> >> >> That MP was A.P. Herbert, who was described by Winston Churchill as the ?funniest man in a England and perhaps the wisest.? >> >> He regularly wrote for Punch and The Observer. When he stood as an independent MP, he penned a very unconventional 5,000 word election address containing the disarmingly honest statement ? Agriculture: I know nothing about agriculture?. >> >> Once elected to parliament, he made his highly entertaining maiden speech on the second day of business. Churchill said ?Call that a maiden speech? It was a brazen hussy of a speech. Never did such a painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? >> >> He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. >> >> He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the river?? Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual court cases. >> >> I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in parliament too. >> >> Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Aug 26 14:58:10 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:58:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see your Churchill and raise you some more A. P. Herbert, talking about alcohol. There?s alcohol in plant and tree It must be nature?s plan That there should be in fair degree Some alcohol in man. Alan > On 26 Aug 2022, at 20:51, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > As for Winston Churchill, he was once asked about his position on whiskey. Here's how he answered: > "If you mean whiskey, the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; If you mean that evil drink that topples men and women from the pinnacles of righteous and gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, shame, despair, helplessness and hopelessness, then, my friend, I am opposed to it with every fibre of my being." > > "However, if by whiskey you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the elixir of life, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; If you mean good cheer, the stimulating sip that puts a little spring in the step of an elderly gentleman on a frosty morning; If you mean that drink that enables man to magnify his joy, and to forget life's great tragedies and heartbreaks and sorrow; If you mean that drink the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of pounds each year, that provides tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitifully aged and infirm, to build the finest highways, hospitals, universities, and community colleges in this nation... > > ?Then my friend, I am absolutely, unequivocally in favour of it..!!! > > "This is my position, and as always, I refuse to compromise on matters of principle." > > > TeaTeaFN - Tony (probably the only one on this list) > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > ------- Original Message ------- >> On Friday, August 26th, 2022 at 08:26, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Agreed, Alan. >> >> Churchill was also given to the witty 'bon mot'. >> >> Magnus Pike was always amusing, too, waving his arms about like a demented windmill! >> >> Normally, I hate presenters who use their arms too much, for emphasis, >> but loved Adam Hart-Davies, who described himself as a 'testiculator': >> " I wave my arms about and talk bollocks!" >> >> Totally agree with your last comment, too! >> >> Best >> >> Pat >> >> On 25/08/2022 23:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote >>>> >>> >>> That MP was A.P. Herbert, who was described by Winston Churchill as the ?funniest man in a England and perhaps the wisest.? >>> >>> He regularly wrote for Punch and The Observer. When he stood as an independent MP, he penned a very unconventional 5,000 word election address containing the disarmingly honest statement ? Agriculture: I know nothing about agriculture?. >>> >>> Once elected to parliament, he made his highly entertaining maiden speech on the second day of business. Churchill said ?Call that a maiden speech? It was a brazen hussy of a speech. Never did such a painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? >>> >>> He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. >>> >>> He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the river?? Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual court cases. >>> >>> I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in parliament too. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk Fri Aug 26 16:05:16 2022 From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 22:05:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: <8AF4BFEA-FDF9-49F7-B28A-612B696B61A3@me.com> <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> Message-ID: Or whiskey Neil D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of techtone via Tech1 Sent: 26 August 2022 20:51 Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie As for Winston Churchill, he was once asked about his position on whiskey. Here's how he answered: "If you mean whiskey, the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; If you mean that evil drink that topples men and women from the pinnacles of righteous and gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, shame, despair, helplessness and hopelessness, then, my friend, I am opposed to it with every fibre of my being." "However, if by whiskey you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the elixir of life, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; If you mean good cheer, the stimulating sip that puts a little spring in the step of an elderly gentleman on a frosty morning; If you mean that drink that enables man to magnify his joy, and to forget life's great tragedies and heartbreaks and sorrow; If you mean that drink the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of pounds each year, that provides tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitifully aged and infirm, to build the finest highways, hospitals, universities, and community colleges in this nation... ?Then my friend, I am absolutely, unequivocally in favour of it..!!! "This is my position, and as always, I refuse to compromise on matters of principle." TeaTeaFN - Tony (probably the only one on this list) Sent with Proton Mail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, August 26th, 2022 at 08:26, Pat Heigham via Tech1 > wrote: Agreed, Alan. Churchill was also given to the witty 'bon mot'. Magnus Pike was always amusing, too, waving his arms about like a demented windmill! Normally, I hate presenters who use their arms too much, for emphasis, but loved Adam Hart-Davies, who described himself as a 'testiculator': " I wave my arms about and talk bollocks!" Totally agree with your last comment, too! Best Pat On 25/08/2022 23:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote That MP was A.P. Herbert, who was described by Winston Churchill as the ?funniest man in a England and perhaps the wisest.? He regularly wrote for Punch and The Observer. When he stood as an independent MP, he penned a very unconventional 5,000 word election address containing the disarmingly honest statement ? Agriculture: I know nothing about agriculture?. Once elected to parliament, he made his highly entertaining maiden speech on the second day of business. Churchill said ?Call that a maiden speech? It was a brazen hussy of a speech. Never did such a painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the river?? Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual court cases. I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in parliament too. Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 77255 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Aug 26 16:36:02 2022 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 22:36:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> Message-ID: <0c38762d-d4db-9b63-1264-acda277e3405@btinternet.com> Jackie Howarth, the OBs Admin Manager, was so different to Pat Jenner at TVC. Pat was rumoured to pay all of our meagre expenses and luncheon vouchers from her own tightly closed purse. Jackie, on the other hand, visited us on OBs and saw life as it really was for those on the road. She always had a bottle of Carlsberg Special near to hand and took all of our expense claims with a pinch of salt and a sense of humour, as Alan has described. One day on the Sports Unit we stopped at a service station on the M1 near Sheffield to fill up using our trade card. There was a troop of boy scouts on the forecourt, for Bob-a-Job week, washing cars. We had our white Granada washed and gave them a donation. On our expense claims we put '?1 gratuity to a boy scout'! Don't ask! Cheers, Dave From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Fri Aug 26 16:44:15 2022 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 22:44:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: <8AF4BFEA-FDF9-49F7-B28A-612B696B61A3@me.com> <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> Message-ID: <62fb8108.656c.182dc1cdc10.Webtop.86@btinternet.com> Oh yes, Magnus Pike ..... You couldn't shoot Magnus any closer than an MLS - as well as the arm waving he was always ducking and diving; I've never known anyone more animated. He could always explain the science, though. He appeared in a music video called 'He blinded me with science' (don't remember how far up the charts that one got!). Oh my, that's nearly 50 years ago ,,,,, Best wishes ,,,,, Vern Dyer ------ Original Message -- Agreed, Alan. Churchill was also given to the witty 'bon mot'. Magnus Pike was always amusing, too, waving his arms about like a demented windmill! Normally, I hate presenters who use their arms too much, for emphasis, but loved Adam Hart-Davies, who described himself as a 'testiculator': " I wave my arms about and talk bollocks!" Totally agree with your last comment, too! Best Pat On 25/08/2022 23:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote That MP was A.P. Herbert, who was described by Winston Churchill as the ?funniest man in a England and perhaps the wisest.? He regularly wrote for Punch and The Observer. When he stood as an independent MP, he penned a very unconventional 5,000 word election address containing the disarmingly honest statement ? Agriculture: I know nothing about agriculture?. Once elected to parliament, he made his highly entertaining maiden speech on the second day of business. Churchill said ?Call that a maiden speech? It was a brazen hussy of a speech. Never did such a painted lady of a speech parade itself before a modest parliament.? He loved the river Thames and lived beside the river at Hammersmith. During WW2 he joined the River Emergency Service. One of the crew working on the boat with him was Magnus Pike. Herbert was also asked to join in with planning the Festival of Britain. He wrote more than a hundred ?Misleading Cases?; witty satires of absurd court cases. One example posed the question ?If a road becomes flooded, should traffic follow the rules of the highway, or of the river?? Apparently they were so perfectly achieved that professionals were beguiled into believing that they were transcripts of actual court cases. I would think that he must have been a most entertaining interviewer. We could do with some people of his quality on TV shows these days. Come to think of it, we could do with some people of his calibre in parliament too. Alan -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Aug 26 17:52:24 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 23:52:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Complete the following In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do put me out of my misery, Nick. I?m stumped on this one! (I do hope I?m not alone). Mike G > On 26 Aug 2022, at 16:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ??Our local Chinese takeaway has just got a 10 grand electricity bill. They?ve said they can?t turn all the lights off, but do ???.? > (Well it made me chuckle) > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Aug 26 18:07:40 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 00:07:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <0c38762d-d4db-9b63-1264-acda277e3405@btinternet.com> References: <0c38762d-d4db-9b63-1264-acda277e3405@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <812C0A49-CB77-47E6-A6EC-1D002735B24F@me.com> There was the time when Persil did a promotion where they printed a coupon on the packet which allowed you to travel anywhere on British Rail for ?1, provided that you were with another passenger paying the normal fare. For journeys beyond 100miles from base, there were two options for crews claiming expenses. One was a shared car, where the driver would claim the mileage rate and a named passenger would claim nothing. The other option was to claim the second class rail fare. Persil tickets made it possible for two people to travel to site for one fare + ?1 plus the cost of a box of Persil. By pairing up and dividing the costs, each could claim the second class fare and make a little profit to pay for a few beers. The only problem with Persil tickets was that if you were making one or two journeys every week, you need to get through ridiculous amounts of Persil. The solution was elegantly simple. Give it to Jackie and the other girls in the admin office so that they got some benefit from the arrangement too. Incidentally,myI understanding is that the Persil ticket wheeze was devised by one of our EMs, who although no longer with us, should probably remain nameless. At one time he had something of a reputation for sticking it to the crews and playing according to the letter of the rules. Then one day a crew got rather pissed off with a call he made on site and when it came to the attention of the higher management at K.A., they didn?t back him. He then decided that there was no benefit from dumping on the crews as he would get no thanks from the crews nor management. He changed character virtually overnight, gamekeeper becoming poacher. Whenever there was some degree of latitude or discretion regarding rules, he would invariably choose the option which benefitted the crew. There were occasionally times where Jackie would say to me that I simply can?t do that. If you were expecting significant expenses, you could claim a cash advance, which would be deducted when you claim the expenses. There was a little form you needed to fill in and it was obviously intended for people who were globe trotting. You had to fill in a simple form ?I am required to undertake a journey from ???. to ???.. Leaving on ???. and returning on ???. I require a cash advance of ????.? I was scheduled to do the Royal Variety Performance from The Palladium. We were working multiple very long days ( 16-18 hours each) and were authorised to stay in the very nearest hotels, which are obviously very expensive. I applied for an advance and filled in the form ?I am required to undertake a journey from West Acton to Oxford Circus. Leaving on Thursday and returning Monday. I require a cash advance of ?500? ( prices from forty years ago ). Jackie took one look at it and said that I can?t possibly write that, but I insisted that I had filled in the form accurately and filled in all the blanks truthfully. She asked me to do her a favour and write ?Nearby accommodation for Royal Variety? on the form too. Alan > On 26 Aug 2022, at 22:35, dave.mdv wrote: > > ?Jackie Howarth, the OBs Admin Manager, was so different to Pat Jenner at TVC. Pat was rumoured to pay all of our meagre expenses and luncheon vouchers from her own tightly closed purse. Jackie, on the other hand, visited us on OBs and saw life as it really was for those on the road. She always had a bottle of Carlsberg Special near to hand and took all of our expense claims with a pinch of salt and a sense of humour, as Alan has described. One day on the Sports Unit we stopped at a service station on the M1 near Sheffield to fill up using our trade card. There was a troop of boy scouts on the forecourt, for Bob-a-Job week, washing cars. We had our white Granada washed and gave them a donation. On our expense claims we put '?1 gratuity to a boy scout'! Don't ask! Cheers, Dave From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 18:17:15 2022 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 00:17:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Complete the following In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_sum On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 23:52, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Do put me out of my misery, Nick. I?m stumped on this one! (I do hope I?m not alone). > > Mike G > > > On 26 Aug 2022, at 16:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ??Our local Chinese takeaway has just got a 10 grand electricity bill. They?ve said they can?t turn all the lights off, but do ???.? > > (Well it made me chuckle) > > N. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Aug 27 02:12:06 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 08:12:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] I think I want one of these In-Reply-To: <35C13BB0-561B-4E46-864F-DE264B0B3A08@sky.com> References: <35C13BB0-561B-4E46-864F-DE264B0B3A08@sky.com> Message-ID: <4959AADB-68A4-47A6-89B1-91A6CADC8525@me.com> There are a lot of videos on their site, but one which answered a lot of my questions was this one which explained how it works. https://youtu.be/1m07Y0Btgt0 With a speed of about 100km / hr and a duration of 20 mins, the maximum range is going to be around 30km ( 19 miles ). Without charging facilities at the other end, it?s hardly viable as a form of transport, therefore I assume that the intended market is as a fun device, flying for thrills. I would regard it as something more like a flying version of an off-road motor bike. If one motor fails, the other motor on that arm will keep it flying and allow a controlled descent. One interesting advantage of having four arms, each with two motors ( one above and one below ) is that unlike a helicopter or autogyro, there is nothing rotating above the pilot?s protective cell, which means that if there is a serious failure, it has a parachute which will automatically deploy to bring it down to earth in a safe manner. I?m a bit wary of having four rapidly rotating rotors at the bottom of this craft. I would hope that the LiDAR and computer control system would prevent it from travelling low over people, but do fear that the combination of rapidly rotating rotors, a craft travelling at speed with a significant amount of inertia and people who could move rapidly or jump suddenly could be a potentially dangerous combination. Alan > On 26 Aug 2022, at 22:57, B Wilkinson wrote: > > ?With a range of twenty minutes, they will need to install electrical re charge points in the sky. > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 20:39, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> I assume that it takes care of looking where it?s going and is therefore regarded as being safer than a human pilot ? so long as everything works as intended. >> >> What could possibly go wrong? >> >> Alan >> >> >>>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 16:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? Or, option 3: someone in another one not looking where they?re going. >>> But give it time - quantum computing will provide the solution to all that. >>> N >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 15:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> More than a little worrying that it requires no licence (in the US), no regulation, no control. I'm not sure which is the more at risk - the pilot or anyone on the ground. >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>>> On 26/08/2022 14:00, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Why does a Persian scythed chariot come to mind? >>>>> >>>>> Peter Fox >>>>> >>>>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 12:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? https://www.jetsonaero.com/ -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Aug 27 03:37:26 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:37:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <812C0A49-CB77-47E6-A6EC-1D002735B24F@me.com> References: <812C0A49-CB77-47E6-A6EC-1D002735B24F@me.com> Message-ID: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> We had an EM in Bristol who would examine car bonnets and windscreens for squashed insects each morning to see if you had done a flyer overnight - that wouldn?t work nowadays - not enough insects around. But he wasn?t beyond doing a genuine flyer himself, as the other EM, jolly Julius Jack Belasco, as he was endearingly known, was a pilot and occasionally took both of them home overnight. I?m sure that both will have been honest brokers, though, and not claimed the Sched ?A?!! Mike G > On 27 Aug 2022, at 00:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?There was the time when Persil did a promotion where they printed a coupon on the packet which allowed you to travel anywhere on British Rail for ?1, provided that you were with another passenger paying the normal fare. > > For journeys beyond 100miles from base, there were two options for crews claiming expenses. One was a shared car, where the driver would claim the mileage rate and a named passenger would claim nothing. The other option was to claim the second class rail fare. > > Persil tickets made it possible for two people to travel to site for one fare + ?1 plus the cost of a box of Persil. By pairing up and dividing the costs, each could claim the second class fare and make a little profit to pay for a few beers. The only problem with Persil tickets was that if you were making one or two journeys every week, you need to get through ridiculous amounts of Persil. The solution was elegantly simple. Give it to Jackie and the other girls in the admin office so that they got some benefit from the arrangement too. > > Incidentally,myI understanding is that the Persil ticket wheeze was devised by one of our EMs, who although no longer with us, should probably remain nameless. At one time he had something of a reputation for sticking it to the crews and playing according to the letter of the rules. Then one day a crew got rather pissed off with a call he made on site and when it came to the attention of the higher management at K.A., they didn?t back him. > > He then decided that there was no benefit from dumping on the crews as he would get no thanks from the crews nor management. He changed character virtually overnight, gamekeeper becoming poacher. Whenever there was some degree of latitude or discretion regarding rules, he would invariably choose the option which benefitted the crew. > > There were occasionally times where Jackie would say to me that I simply can?t do that. If you were expecting significant expenses, you could claim a cash advance, which would be deducted when you claim the expenses. There was a little form you needed to fill in and it was obviously intended for people who were globe trotting. You had to fill in a simple form ?I am required to undertake a journey from ???. to ???.. Leaving on ???. and returning on ???. I require a cash advance of ????.? > > I was scheduled to do the Royal Variety Performance from The Palladium. We were working multiple very long days ( 16-18 hours each) and were authorised to stay in the very nearest hotels, which are obviously very expensive. > > I applied for an advance and filled in the form ?I am required to undertake a journey from West Acton to Oxford Circus. Leaving on Thursday and returning Monday. I require a cash advance of ?500? ( prices from forty years ago ). Jackie took one look at it and said that I can?t possibly write that, but I insisted that I had filled in the form accurately and filled in all the blanks truthfully. She asked me to do her a favour and write ?Nearby accommodation for Royal Variety? on the form too. > > Alan > > >> On 26 Aug 2022, at 22:35, dave.mdv wrote: >> >> ?Jackie Howarth, the OBs Admin Manager, was so different to Pat Jenner at TVC. Pat was rumoured to pay all of our meagre expenses and luncheon vouchers from her own tightly closed purse. Jackie, on the other hand, visited us on OBs and saw life as it really was for those on the road. She always had a bottle of Carlsberg Special near to hand and took all of our expense claims with a pinch of salt and a sense of humour, as Alan has described. One day on the Sports Unit we stopped at a service station on the M1 near Sheffield to fill up using our trade card. There was a troop of boy scouts on the forecourt, for Bob-a-Job week, washing cars. We had our white Granada washed and gave them a donation. On our expense claims we put '?1 gratuity to a boy scout'! Don't ask! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Sat Aug 27 03:49:21 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 09:49:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> References: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> Message-ID: I had a fantastic early morning flight with Jack from Lulsgate to the Scillies at 500 feet on a brilliant day Very memorable , Julian Pettifor was the presenter always v professional , the islands magical Did another similar flip with Alan Titchmarsh. But in a Castle Air jet ranger Both great fun Roger Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Aug 2022, at 09:37, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We had an EM in Bristol who would examine car bonnets and windscreens for squashed insects each morning to see if you had done a flyer overnight - that wouldn?t work nowadays - not enough insects around. > > But he wasn?t beyond doing a genuine flyer himself, as the other EM, jolly Julius Jack Belasco, as he was endearingly known, was a pilot and occasionally took both of them home overnight. I?m sure that both will have been honest brokers, though, and not claimed the Sched ?A?!! > > Mike G > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 00:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?There was the time when Persil did a promotion where they printed a coupon on the packet which allowed you to travel anywhere on British Rail for ?1, provided that you were with another passenger paying the normal fare. >> >> For journeys beyond 100miles from base, there were two options for crews claiming expenses. One was a shared car, where the driver would claim the mileage rate and a named passenger would claim nothing. The other option was to claim the second class rail fare. >> >> Persil tickets made it possible for two people to travel to site for one fare + ?1 plus the cost of a box of Persil. By pairing up and dividing the costs, each could claim the second class fare and make a little profit to pay for a few beers. The only problem with Persil tickets was that if you were making one or two journeys every week, you need to get through ridiculous amounts of Persil. The solution was elegantly simple. Give it to Jackie and the other girls in the admin office so that they got some benefit from the arrangement too. >> >> Incidentally,myI understanding is that the Persil ticket wheeze was devised by one of our EMs, who although no longer with us, should probably remain nameless. At one time he had something of a reputation for sticking it to the crews and playing according to the letter of the rules. Then one day a crew got rather pissed off with a call he made on site and when it came to the attention of the higher management at K.A., they didn?t back him. >> >> He then decided that there was no benefit from dumping on the crews as he would get no thanks from the crews nor management. He changed character virtually overnight, gamekeeper becoming poacher. Whenever there was some degree of latitude or discretion regarding rules, he would invariably choose the option which benefitted the crew. >> >> There were occasionally times where Jackie would say to me that I simply can?t do that. If you were expecting significant expenses, you could claim a cash advance, which would be deducted when you claim the expenses. There was a little form you needed to fill in and it was obviously intended for people who were globe trotting. You had to fill in a simple form ?I am required to undertake a journey from ???. to ???.. Leaving on ???. and returning on ???. I require a cash advance of ????.? >> >> I was scheduled to do the Royal Variety Performance from The Palladium. We were working multiple very long days ( 16-18 hours each) and were authorised to stay in the very nearest hotels, which are obviously very expensive. >> >> I applied for an advance and filled in the form ?I am required to undertake a journey from West Acton to Oxford Circus. Leaving on Thursday and returning Monday. I require a cash advance of ?500? ( prices from forty years ago ). Jackie took one look at it and said that I can?t possibly write that, but I insisted that I had filled in the form accurately and filled in all the blanks truthfully. She asked me to do her a favour and write ?Nearby accommodation for Royal Variety? on the form too. >> >> Alan >> >> >>>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 22:35, dave.mdv wrote: >>> >>> ?Jackie Howarth, the OBs Admin Manager, was so different to Pat Jenner at TVC. Pat was rumoured to pay all of our meagre expenses and luncheon vouchers from her own tightly closed purse. Jackie, on the other hand, visited us on OBs and saw life as it really was for those on the road. She always had a bottle of Carlsberg Special near to hand and took all of our expense claims with a pinch of salt and a sense of humour, as Alan has described. One day on the Sports Unit we stopped at a service station on the M1 near Sheffield to fill up using our trade card. There was a troop of boy scouts on the forecourt, for Bob-a-Job week, washing cars. We had our white Granada washed and gave them a donation. On our expense claims we put '?1 gratuity to a boy scout'! Don't ask! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Aug 27 04:55:05 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 10:55:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> References: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> Message-ID: Checking my car for squished insects wouldn?t have revealed anything. They started appearing in the spring and my car was rarely washed. The EM would have needed to do a detailed inventory one day and compare the results with what was there the next day. While not actually a flyer, one crew did come unstuck regarding travel and hotels. I can?t remember if the show concerned was a party conference or a golf tournament, but it was from the tip of Kent and accommodation nearby and even quite some distance away was fully booked. At that time you could get very cheap ferry tickets to France as a foot passenger, so somebody had the bright idea of booking hotel rooms in Calais, indulging in a few drinks on the way over, having a lovely meal in France, a good night?s rest in a very affordable hotel and then a snooze on the ferry back to Kent in the morning. It worked very well for the first couple of nights, but then one morning it was so rough out at sea that the ferry couldn?t dock for quite some time and many of the crew were stranded on the boat. I was one of the few people unaffected as my mother was brought up near Deal and I was able to stay with my aunt for that show. Regarding second class rail travel, many of us lived well outside of London, therefore travelling by train could be quite time consuming by the time you had got to your local station, travelled into London, taken the Tube to the mainline station and then the train, maybe with other trains too, to the destination, often with a cab to site. Therefore it was commonplace to drive yourself to location, but simply claim the rail fare. However, when most of the crew really did travel by rail ( long journeys, or Persil tickets ), there could be unintended consequences. One could be that the entire crew arrive late because of a delayed or cancelled train. The other is that for most jobs more than 100 miles from base, which would involve an overnight stay, the crew would turn up carrying suitcases and there was nowhere convenient to store a couple of dozen suitcases while we were working. Alan > On 27 Aug 2022, at 09:37, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We had an EM in Bristol who would examine car bonnets and windscreens for squashed insects each morning to see if you had done a flyer overnight - that wouldn?t work nowadays - not enough insects around. > > But he wasn?t beyond doing a genuine flyer himself, as the other EM, jolly Julius Jack Belasco, as he was endearingly known, was a pilot and occasionally took both of them home overnight. I?m sure that both will have been honest brokers, though, and not claimed the Sched ?A?!! > > Mike G > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 00:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?There was the time when Persil did a promotion where they printed a coupon on the packet which allowed you to travel anywhere on British Rail for ?1, provided that you were with another passenger paying the normal fare. >> >> For journeys beyond 100miles from base, there were two options for crews claiming expenses. One was a shared car, where the driver would claim the mileage rate and a named passenger would claim nothing. The other option was to claim the second class rail fare. >> >> Persil tickets made it possible for two people to travel to site for one fare + ?1 plus the cost of a box of Persil. By pairing up and dividing the costs, each could claim the second class fare and make a little profit to pay for a few beers. The only problem with Persil tickets was that if you were making one or two journeys every week, you need to get through ridiculous amounts of Persil. The solution was elegantly simple. Give it to Jackie and the other girls in the admin office so that they got some benefit from the arrangement too. >> >> Incidentally,myI understanding is that the Persil ticket wheeze was devised by one of our EMs, who although no longer with us, should probably remain nameless. At one time he had something of a reputation for sticking it to the crews and playing according to the letter of the rules. Then one day a crew got rather pissed off with a call he made on site and when it came to the attention of the higher management at K.A., they didn?t back him. >> >> He then decided that there was no benefit from dumping on the crews as he would get no thanks from the crews nor management. He changed character virtually overnight, gamekeeper becoming poacher. Whenever there was some degree of latitude or discretion regarding rules, he would invariably choose the option which benefitted the crew. >> >> There were occasionally times where Jackie would say to me that I simply can?t do that. If you were expecting significant expenses, you could claim a cash advance, which would be deducted when you claim the expenses. There was a little form you needed to fill in and it was obviously intended for people who were globe trotting. You had to fill in a simple form ?I am required to undertake a journey from ???. to ???.. Leaving on ???. and returning on ???. I require a cash advance of ????.? >> >> I was scheduled to do the Royal Variety Performance from The Palladium. We were working multiple very long days ( 16-18 hours each) and were authorised to stay in the very nearest hotels, which are obviously very expensive. >> >> I applied for an advance and filled in the form ?I am required to undertake a journey from West Acton to Oxford Circus. Leaving on Thursday and returning Monday. I require a cash advance of ?500? ( prices from forty years ago ). Jackie took one look at it and said that I can?t possibly write that, but I insisted that I had filled in the form accurately and filled in all the blanks truthfully. She asked me to do her a favour and write ?Nearby accommodation for Royal Variety? on the form too. >> >> Alan >> >> >>>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 22:35, dave.mdv wrote: >>> >>> ?Jackie Howarth, the OBs Admin Manager, was so different to Pat Jenner at TVC. Pat was rumoured to pay all of our meagre expenses and luncheon vouchers from her own tightly closed purse. Jackie, on the other hand, visited us on OBs and saw life as it really was for those on the road. She always had a bottle of Carlsberg Special near to hand and took all of our expense claims with a pinch of salt and a sense of humour, as Alan has described. One day on the Sports Unit we stopped at a service station on the M1 near Sheffield to fill up using our trade card. There was a troop of boy scouts on the forecourt, for Bob-a-Job week, washing cars. We had our white Granada washed and gave them a donation. On our expense claims we put '?1 gratuity to a boy scout'! Don't ask! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Aug 27 05:31:59 2022 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:31:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> Message-ID: In OBs there was also the "flanker" where we were paid to return to base (travel expenses and time and extra meals) and stayed onsite at a cheap hotel with possibly shared rooms was less and of course one could go to the pub in the evening, stay late in bed before onsite time as well. It was also of course not unknown for some ranks of OBers to bunk down in the truck giving "double" savings. Talking about your Calais event, once upon a time "back in the day" - don't you just HATE that term? The folks on another shift wanted to go to France overnight to get cheap ciggys/wine but that time as well the ferries were cancelled. They had to call a convenient colleague to rush down to site to cover for them! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:55 AM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie Checking my car for squished insects wouldn?t have revealed anything. They started appearing in the spring and my car was rarely washed. The EM would have needed to do a detailed inventory one day and compare the results with what was there the next day. While not actually a flyer, one crew did come unstuck regarding travel and hotels. I can?t remember if the show concerned was a party conference or a golf tournament, but it was from the tip of Kent and accommodation nearby and even quite some distance away was fully booked. At that time you could get very cheap ferry tickets to France as a foot passenger, so somebody had the bright idea of booking hotel rooms in Calais, indulging in a few drinks on the way over, having a lovely meal in France, a good night?s rest in a very affordable hotel and then a snooze on the ferry back to Kent in the morning. It worked very well for the first couple of nights, but then one morning it was so rough out at sea that the ferry couldn?t dock for quite some time and many of the crew were stranded on the boat. I was one of the few people unaffected as my mother was brought up near Deal and I was able to stay with my aunt for that show. Regarding second class rail travel, many of us lived well outside of London, therefore travelling by train could be quite time consuming by the time you had got to your local station, travelled into London, taken the Tube to the mainline station and then the train, maybe with other trains too, to the destination, often with a cab to site. Therefore it was commonplace to drive yourself to location, but simply claim the rail fare. However, when most of the crew really did travel by rail ( long journeys, or Persil tickets ), there could be unintended consequences. One could be that the entire crew arrive late because of a delayed or cancelled train. The other is that for most jobs more than 100 miles from base, which would involve an overnight stay, the crew would turn up carrying suitcases and there was nowhere convenient to store a couple of dozen suitcases while we were working. Alan From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Aug 27 06:07:12 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:07:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> Message-ID: <1f2d6cb9-fd08-89c9-f3f3-286e634d6561@amps.net> No doubt that our job gave rise to some excellent experiences. The Jet Ranger is my favourite whirlybird, and flying with Keith Thompson from Castle Air was exciting. One job - profiling high speed power boats around the Isle of Wight, had Keith hovering with the skids barely a foot above the water, as the power boat hammered towards us head on at about 60 knots. At the last minute, Keith lifted up and the boat passed underneath. If he had mistimed it, think what the insurance claim might read: "Power Boat Collides with Helicopter!" Oh,yeah? Another experience: Filming aerials circling around the Statue of Liberty from helicopter was a bonus! Looking out the window, I felt it was just like a TV shot, then had to pinch myself as it was LIVE! Pat H On 27/08/2022 09:49, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > I had a fantastic early morning flight with Jack from Lulsgate to the Scillies at 500 feet on a brilliant day > Very memorable , Julian Pettifor was the presenter always v professional , the islands magical > Did another similar flip with Alan Titchmarsh. But in a Castle Air jet ranger > Both great fun > Roger > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 06:53:21 2022 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:53:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops Topics 7 Summer 2022 Message-ID: Hi everyone, Here is your Bank Holiday treat: the next collection of your stories and reminiscences from the Tech Ops website: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/08/topics-7-summer-2022/ It is quite a bumper issue! This is the last one that I shall be collating.? I am very pleased to say that Alan Taylor has agreed to take over the role of collating/curating your tales of working for the BBC such that we collect this "folk" history for future generations. I am sure that you will all, with me, wish him well in this role.? It is quite difficult to image - even for us who did it - that we went live on air with complex multi-camera shows every night of the week.? I am hoping to put together a piece about going live with a weekly drama series, so you are not completely done with me yet! It has been an absolute pleasure to have been working with you guys on this over the last eight years: I would like to publicly thank Bernie for the opportunity to work on his website- it has been an absolute privilege - and I hope that I have not muddled too many Barrys, Johns and Daves.? But now my wife is getting less and less mobile (multiple joint issues) - and a new granddaughter as well (now 20 months, very inquisitive *)? - so personal affairs will be taking far more of my time. All the very best to you all, Very best regards, Alec * she knows which ditdit turns the tv on, which ditdit changes channels. She also knows which key opens which shed... I could go on and on and on ...) -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Aug 27 07:03:39 2022 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 13:03:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <1f2d6cb9-fd08-89c9-f3f3-286e634d6561@amps.net> References: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> <1f2d6cb9-fd08-89c9-f3f3-286e634d6561@amps.net> Message-ID: <6F804BB625ED4873B6FF264D766BA7CF@Gigabyte> As in this Castle Air Helicopter? I can?t find my pic of our installation in a Jet Ranger complete with Dexion racking (yes honestly) but my best was flying over London in the Goodyear Airship with camera hanging out the side! Won?t go into Gazelle pics nor our Noel Edmonds show with pop group LIVE in a 747 flying over London. Mike No doubt that our job gave rise to some excellent experiences. The Jet Ranger is my favourite whirlybird, and flying with Keith Thompson from Castle Air was exciting. One job - profiling high speed power boats around the Isle of Wight, had Keith hovering with the skids barely a foot above the water, as the power boat hammered towards us head on at about 60 knots. At the last minute, Keith lifted up and the boat passed underneath. If he had mistimed it, think what the insurance claim might read: "Power Boat Collides with Helicopter!" Oh,yeah? Another experience: Filming aerials circling around the Statue of Liberty from helicopter was a bonus! Looking out the window, I felt it was just like a TV shot, then had to pinch myself as it was LIVE! Pat H -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CastleAir helicopter.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98408 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Goodyear_Airship_Silverstone_1975_2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 270913 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Aug 27 07:05:43 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 13:05:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The riggers would sometimes sleep in the OB trucks. They would refer to staying at the Albion Hotel ( for those who don?t realise, Albion built lorries ). There were other events where there was no accommodation to be found within 25 miles or more. That was often the case for the Open Golf, Three day equestrian events, or shows from holiday resorts over bank holiday weekends. One option was to take tents and camp nearby. Usually people stayed in proper campsites, but on one occasion way back in the 1970s, the scanner was working in a massively crowded Torquay over the August bank holiday and all the hotels were full. The scanner was parked on private land where we were welcome to pitch tents on the perimeter of the field. The show was recorded, so there was no need for music or control lines from the GPO, just a DEL ( telephone line ). As it happened the DEL cable passed close to our tent. The DEL was never used when the scanner was locked up. I got a field telephone, re-routed the cable via our tent and we were able to call home after work. Other crew members in adjacent tents liked the idea and before long there were several field telephones in parallel across this line. One night, before going to sleep, we called the operator and booked an alarm call for 4am. The operator said that due to it being so early in the morning, they needed to call back on that number to check that it wasn?t a prank. She called back, we confirmed we were the people who set up the call and then promptly disconnected our field telephone. 4am the next morning, the phones start ringing in several tents. Tent 1: ?Scanner Torquay ? ? said the first person to answer. The operator tried to say it was the early morning alarm call, but couldn?t get a word in as people in other tents picked up the phone. Tent 2: ?This is the BBC OB ?.? Tent 3: ?Yes that?s right, how can I help you?? Tent 1: ?You called me? Tent 3: ?No I didn?t, you called me? Tent 2: ?The phone was ringing here in Torquay? Tent 1: ?Well I?m in Torquay and you made the call. Who are you?? Tent 3: ? I?m part of the OB crew? Tent 1 & 2 together ? No, I?m part of the OB crew?. Then it dawned on people that they were talking to the occupants of the other tents. The other camping on location story concerned Colin White, our head of sound, who was visiting the Open Golf OB. He knew people were camping on a camp site nearby, but he didn?t have a tent of his own, nor any camping equipment. He was offered space in a large tent being used by the sound crew. He didn?t have a proper camp bed, but instead brought along one of those aluminium folding sun loungers. I would also add that the lantern normally used to illuminate it at night packed up, but the crew improvised to get around the problem. His car was parked closest to the tent and as he had driven to site that day, it was agreed that his car battery was the freshest and that it would be best if his headlights were used for general illumination before everybody settled down for the night after having returned from a restaurant where a certain amount of alcohol might have been consumed. Everybody settled down and Colin popped out to turn off his lights and lock his car. His eyes hasn?t properly adjusted to the darkness as he fumbled his way back to the tent, closed the zipper that shuts down the tent door and started to climb into his bed. There is an important difference between camp beds and sun loungers. Camp beds had rows of legs all along their entire length, while sun loungers only had two legs near the centre, with the head and tail parts cantilevered outwards. When Colin sat on the head of his sun lounger, there was no leg supporting him and he was unceremoniously dumped out of bed and thrown back towards the door of the tent. Those in the tent had already accustomed their eyes to the darkness. All they could make out was the green glow of the luminous hands of Colin?s wrist watch carefully feeling his way to his bed, followed by the green glow wildly flailing around when he was ejected from his bed. Alan > On 27 Aug 2022, at 11:32, Mike Jordan wrote: > It was also of course not unknown for some ranks of OBers to bunk down in the truck giving "double" savings. > > From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Aug 27 07:54:40 2022 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 13:54:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84A935A424D3475898335185746C5CE2@Gigabyte> Your phone story reminds me of a radio (Home service?) programme being held on a cross channel boat to Calais. At the time, a VHF (141Mc/s) link was in use between a boat heading there and received at the military base on English Coast at Swingate. Not only did it work so well that when questioned about the engineers place in the channel and asking when he was to leave, he replied "I am already in Calais". Wonderful stuff Radio eh? The engineers in England - despite being told by seniors that staying in a military site overnight was not allowed, returned there after the pub to sleep in the van. That had the advantage that waking about 07:00, picking up the wired GPO control line telephone on the wall just above the camp bed got confirmation from BH Control Room that tone was arriving, allowed a return to sleep until Tx time. Wonderous! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 1:05 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie The riggers would sometimes sleep in the OB trucks. They would refer to staying at the Albion Hotel ( for those who don?t realise, Albion built lorries ). From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Aug 27 07:56:27 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 13:56:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <0c38762d-d4db-9b63-1264-acda277e3405@btinternet.com> References: <396da9f6-c948-1ec6-57f8-6754f2ef0000@amps.net> <0c38762d-d4db-9b63-1264-acda277e3405@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1c3524c7-75bc-f49a-8048-21190f7f60ff@amps.net> Although I was but a Gram Op at TVC, I occasionally went out with Film Unit crews from Ealing. They frequently complained that the only guys that got allocated the overseas shoots were those who were leaned on by the FOM (Film Ops Manager) to render their duty free's to his office on their return. Pat H On 26/08/2022 22:36, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Jackie Howarth, the OBs Admin Manager, was so different to Pat Jenner > at TVC. Pat was rumoured to pay all of our meagre expenses and > luncheon vouchers from her own tightly closed purse. Jackie, on the > other hand, visited us on OBs and saw life as it really was for those > on the road. She always had a bottle of Carlsberg Special near to hand > and took all of our expense claims with a pinch of salt and a sense of > humour, as Alan has described. One day on the Sports Unit we stopped > at a service station on the M1 near Sheffield to fill up using our > trade card. There was a troop of boy scouts on the forecourt, for > Bob-a-Job week, washing cars. We had our white Granada washed and gave > them a donation. On our expense claims we put '?1 gratuity to a boy > scout'! Don't ask! Cheers, Dave > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Aug 27 08:07:00 2022 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 14:07:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <6F804BB625ED4873B6FF264D766BA7CF@Gigabyte> References: <14917EF6-C7AA-4BFA-A065-EFBA9AF6491C@mac.com> <1f2d6cb9-fd08-89c9-f3f3-286e634d6561@amps.net> <6F804BB625ED4873B6FF264D766BA7CF@Gigabyte> Message-ID: > ... Keith Thompson from Castle Air was exciting. .. > Keith was good, but Mike could be even more thrilling. Castle's 109s for sale would be air-tested for spec, and Mike would occasionally do the test flights. Vne (maximum level flight speed) is usually checked at >1000ft, but Mike would often miss a nought out. He did hit some power lines on one occasion and the flash-over welded the door on one of the Jet Rangers. It did fly again but was never the aircraft it used to be - not sure who they sold it to;} Both Keith and Mike were ex-naval pilots, and compared to the civilian trained ones they would push boundaries a lot closer. Chris W -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plowmandave44 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 08:08:20 2022 From: plowmandave44 at gmail.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 14:08:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13441572-eeaa-0470-ee12-4acd4904f573@gmail.com> Was only a part time OB chap compared to you guys. But do have one story. After going freelance was employed on a Sky show called Beat the Crusher - facilities provided by Thames OBs Or maybe what were Thames OBs. As a gram op. This particular location (in the late autumn) was somewhere in the East of England - too far to commute from London, between rehearsal day and show day. Important people in the unit put up in a local hotel. The rest of us in what would best be described as a retreat, and some 10 miles way down country lanes. No smoking or drinking on the premises. No heating or hot water.? No TV or radios allowed. And nowhere to even get a cup of tea anywhere close, and no breakfast either. Show was also a PITA. The OB unit had only the facilitates paid for. For my job, two dreadful Mini-Disc players. And none of the stuff needed to be played in ever came on Mini-Disc. (IIRC, the contestants had to mime to a pop song they supplied - always on cassette, despite being told it had to be Mini-Disc) Made me really appreciate my staff days. On 27/08/2022 13:05, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > The riggers would sometimes sleep in the OB trucks. They would refer to staying at the Albion Hotel ( for those who don?t realise, Albion built lorries ). > > There were other events where there was no accommodation to be found within 25 miles or more. That was often the case for the Open Golf, Three day equestrian events, or shows from holiday resorts over bank holiday weekends. One option was to take tents and camp nearby. Usually people stayed in proper campsites, but on one occasion way back in the 1970s, the scanner was working in a massively crowded Torquay over the August bank holiday and all the hotels were full. The scanner was parked on private land where we were welcome to pitch tents on the perimeter of the field. > > The show was recorded, so there was no need for music or control lines from the GPO, just a DEL ( telephone line ). As it happened the DEL cable passed close to our tent. The DEL was never used when the scanner was locked up. I got a field telephone, re-routed the cable via our tent and we were able to call home after work. Other crew members in adjacent tents liked the idea and before long there were several field telephones in parallel across this line. > > One night, before going to sleep, we called the operator and booked an alarm call for 4am. The operator said that due to it being so early in the morning, they needed to call back on that number to check that it wasn?t a prank. She called back, we confirmed we were the people who set up the call and then promptly disconnected our field telephone. > > 4am the next morning, the phones start ringing in several tents. > Tent 1: ?Scanner Torquay ? ? said the first person to answer. > The operator tried to say it was the early morning alarm call, but couldn?t get a word in as people in other tents picked up the phone. > Tent 2: ?This is the BBC OB ?.? > Tent 3: ?Yes that?s right, how can I help you?? > Tent 1: ?You called me? > Tent 3: ?No I didn?t, you called me? > Tent 2: ?The phone was ringing here in Torquay? > Tent 1: ?Well I?m in Torquay and you made the call. Who are you?? > Tent 3: ? I?m part of the OB crew? > Tent 1 & 2 together ? No, I?m part of the OB crew?. > Then it dawned on people that they were talking to the occupants of the other tents. > > The other camping on location story concerned Colin White, our head of sound, who was visiting the Open Golf OB. He knew people were camping on a camp site nearby, but he didn?t have a tent of his own, nor any camping equipment. He was offered space in a large tent being used by the sound crew. He didn?t have a proper camp bed, but instead brought along one of those aluminium folding sun loungers. I would also add that the lantern normally used to illuminate it at night packed up, but the crew improvised to get around the problem. > > His car was parked closest to the tent and as he had driven to site that day, it was agreed that his car battery was the freshest and that it would be best if his headlights were used for general illumination before everybody settled down for the night after having returned from a restaurant where a certain amount of alcohol might have been consumed. > > Everybody settled down and Colin popped out to turn off his lights and lock his car. His eyes hasn?t properly adjusted to the darkness as he fumbled his way back to the tent, closed the zipper that shuts down the tent door and started to climb into his bed. > > There is an important difference between camp beds and sun loungers. Camp beds had rows of legs all along their entire length, while sun loungers only had two legs near the centre, with the head and tail parts cantilevered outwards. When Colin sat on the head of his sun lounger, there was no leg supporting him and he was unceremoniously dumped out of bed and thrown back towards the door of the tent. Those in the tent had already accustomed their eyes to the darkness. All they could make out was the green glow of the luminous hands of Colin?s wrist watch carefully feeling his way to his bed, followed by the green glow wildly flailing around when he was ejected from his bed. > > Alan > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 11:32, Mike Jordan wrote: >> It was also of course not unknown for some ranks of OBers to bunk down in the truck giving "double" savings. >> >> From hughsnape at talktalk.net Sat Aug 27 08:32:12 2022 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 14:32:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <1f2d6cb9-fd08-89c9-f3f3-286e634d6561@amps.net> References: <1f2d6cb9-fd08-89c9-f3f3-286e634d6561@amps.net> Message-ID: When I worked on OBs at TSW we used to ?fly? a lot, very often in the crew bus, a venerable vehicle with many stories of its own. We would all contribute to the float for diesel and the arrangement generally worked well. On one shoot however a scene hand who didn?t generally work on outside broadcasts was part of the crew. On day one we all gave the crew bus driver our cash contributions for the week?s flying and all went well. Until expense claim time that is when it was discovered that the aforementioned individual had not only claimed the allowance for accommodation etc but also for his contribution to the float! It caused a few problems . . . > On 27 Aug 2022, at 12:07, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > No doubt that our job gave rise to some excellent experiences. The Jet Ranger is my favourite whirlybird, and flying > with Keith Thompson from Castle Air was exciting. One job - profiling high speed power boats around the Isle of Wight, > had Keith hovering with the skids barely a foot above the water, as the power boat hammered towards us > head on at about 60 knots. > > At the last minute, Keith lifted up and the boat passed underneath. > If he had mistimed it, think what the insurance claim might read: > > "Power Boat Collides with Helicopter!" > > Oh,yeah? > > Another experience: > Filming aerials circling around the Statue of Liberty from helicopter was a bonus! Looking out the window, I felt it was just like a TV shot, > then had to pinch myself as it was LIVE! > > Pat H > > On 27/08/2022 09:49, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >> I had a fantastic early morning flight with Jack from Lulsgate to the Scillies at 500 feet on a brilliant day >> Very memorable , Julian Pettifor was the presenter always v professional , the islands magical >> Did another similar flip with Alan Titchmarsh. But in a Castle Air jet ranger >> Both great fun >> Roger >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 08:49:04 2022 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 14:49:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops Topics 7 Summer 2022 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Alec for all your hard work on your compilations. I?m will not be alone in saying how much I appreciated and enjoyed them. Geoff F On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 at 12:53, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Here is your Bank Holiday treat: the next collection of your stories and > reminiscences from the Tech Ops website: > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/08/topics-7-summer-2022/ > > It is quite a bumper issue! > > This is the last one that I shall be collating. I am very pleased to say > that Alan Taylor has agreed to take over the role of collating/curating > your tales of working for the BBC such that we collect this "folk" history > for future generations. I am sure that you will all, with me, wish him well > in this role. It is quite difficult to image - even for us who did it - > that we went live on air with complex multi-camera shows every night of the > week. I am hoping to put together a piece about going live with a weekly > drama series, so you are not completely done with me yet! > > It has been an absolute pleasure to have been working with you guys on > this over the last eight years: I would like to publicly thank Bernie for > the opportunity to work on his website- it has been an absolute privilege - > and I hope that I have not muddled too many Barrys, Johns and Daves. But > now my wife is getting less and less mobile (multiple joint issues) - and a > new granddaughter as well (now 20 months, very inquisitive *) - so > personal affairs will be taking far more of my time. > > All the very best to you all, > > Very best regards, > > Alec > > * she knows which ditdit turns the tv on, which ditdit changes channels. > She also knows which key opens which shed... I could go on and on and on > ...) > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sat Aug 27 09:32:37 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 15:32:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <13441572-eeaa-0470-ee12-4acd4904f573@gmail.com> References: <13441572-eeaa-0470-ee12-4acd4904f573@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2809513B-4919-410E-982D-338FCB223700@btinternet.com> The Goodyear blimp was a very stable aerial platform and fun to fly We were going to do a Birds eye view show from it. With the engines off you could hear real detail from below and do excellent long lens work without a gimbal mount Goodyear moved their base to Europe and that was that CastleAir would show us where they shot ads and go down real low Not as low as the Drugs agency in Florida who went down to read addresses on US post boxes? and land in the median of interstates to attend drug relatedRTA They also took us out on confiscated tobacco boats used by drug barons v fast and uncomfortable we almost lost a camera asst not strapped in That was for a Brinks Mat robbery show Florida?s was used to process the gold ingots! Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Aug 2022, at 14:08, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Was only a part time OB chap compared to you guys. > > But do have one story. After going freelance was employed on a Sky show called Beat the Crusher - facilities provided by Thames OBs Or maybe what were Thames OBs. As a gram op. > > This particular location (in the late autumn) was somewhere in the East of England - too far to commute from London, between rehearsal day and show day. Important people in the unit put up in a local hotel. The rest of us in what would best be described as a retreat, and some 10 miles way down country lanes. No smoking or drinking on the premises. No heating or hot water. No TV or radios allowed. And nowhere to even get a cup of tea anywhere close, and no breakfast either. > > Show was also a PITA. The OB unit had only the facilitates paid for. For my job, two dreadful Mini-Disc players. And none of the stuff needed to be played in ever came on Mini-Disc. (IIRC, the contestants had to mime to a pop song they supplied - always on cassette, despite being told it had to be Mini-Disc) > > Made me really appreciate my staff days. > >> On 27/08/2022 13:05, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> The riggers would sometimes sleep in the OB trucks. They would refer to staying at the Albion Hotel ( for those who don?t realise, Albion built lorries ). >> >> There were other events where there was no accommodation to be found within 25 miles or more. That was often the case for the Open Golf, Three day equestrian events, or shows from holiday resorts over bank holiday weekends. One option was to take tents and camp nearby. Usually people stayed in proper campsites, but on one occasion way back in the 1970s, the scanner was working in a massively crowded Torquay over the August bank holiday and all the hotels were full. The scanner was parked on private land where we were welcome to pitch tents on the perimeter of the field. >> >> The show was recorded, so there was no need for music or control lines from the GPO, just a DEL ( telephone line ). As it happened the DEL cable passed close to our tent. The DEL was never used when the scanner was locked up. I got a field telephone, re-routed the cable via our tent and we were able to call home after work. Other crew members in adjacent tents liked the idea and before long there were several field telephones in parallel across this line. >> >> One night, before going to sleep, we called the operator and booked an alarm call for 4am. The operator said that due to it being so early in the morning, they needed to call back on that number to check that it wasn?t a prank. She called back, we confirmed we were the people who set up the call and then promptly disconnected our field telephone. >> >> 4am the next morning, the phones start ringing in several tents. >> Tent 1: ?Scanner Torquay ? ? said the first person to answer. >> The operator tried to say it was the early morning alarm call, but couldn?t get a word in as people in other tents picked up the phone. >> Tent 2: ?This is the BBC OB ?.? >> Tent 3: ?Yes that?s right, how can I help you?? >> Tent 1: ?You called me? >> Tent 3: ?No I didn?t, you called me? >> Tent 2: ?The phone was ringing here in Torquay? >> Tent 1: ?Well I?m in Torquay and you made the call. Who are you?? >> Tent 3: ? I?m part of the OB crew? >> Tent 1 & 2 together ? No, I?m part of the OB crew?. >> Then it dawned on people that they were talking to the occupants of the other tents. >> >> The other camping on location story concerned Colin White, our head of sound, who was visiting the Open Golf OB. He knew people were camping on a camp site nearby, but he didn?t have a tent of his own, nor any camping equipment. He was offered space in a large tent being used by the sound crew. He didn?t have a proper camp bed, but instead brought along one of those aluminium folding sun loungers. I would also add that the lantern normally used to illuminate it at night packed up, but the crew improvised to get around the problem. >> >> His car was parked closest to the tent and as he had driven to site that day, it was agreed that his car battery was the freshest and that it would be best if his headlights were used for general illumination before everybody settled down for the night after having returned from a restaurant where a certain amount of alcohol might have been consumed. >> >> Everybody settled down and Colin popped out to turn off his lights and lock his car. His eyes hasn?t properly adjusted to the darkness as he fumbled his way back to the tent, closed the zipper that shuts down the tent door and started to climb into his bed. >> >> There is an important difference between camp beds and sun loungers. Camp beds had rows of legs all along their entire length, while sun loungers only had two legs near the centre, with the head and tail parts cantilevered outwards. When Colin sat on the head of his sun lounger, there was no leg supporting him and he was unceremoniously dumped out of bed and thrown back towards the door of the tent. Those in the tent had already accustomed their eyes to the darkness. All they could make out was the green glow of the luminous hands of Colin?s wrist watch carefully feeling his way to his bed, followed by the green glow wildly flailing around when he was ejected from his bed. >> >> Alan >> >>>> On 27 Aug 2022, at 11:32, Mike Jordan wrote: >>> It was also of course not unknown for some ranks of OBers to bunk down in the truck giving "double" savings. >>> >>> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Sat Aug 27 09:52:26 2022 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 15:52:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <2809513B-4919-410E-982D-338FCB223700@btinternet.com> References: <2809513B-4919-410E-982D-338FCB223700@btinternet.com> Message-ID: As for flyers I did a 12 week anthropology film in Venezuela and Brazil We were due back in Miami for another film which was declared mute at the last moment I had 3 weeks off in Coconut grove Had to go home ,too long in the bush Left the kit the the University Hotel and flew back still on Xs The camera ast rang and said next show in the Everglades had been cancelled Had to explain the situation to the Film Unit Manager , he was v reasonable Something similar happened in Sydney when a show on the Barrier Reef was cancelled due to poor vis we had 3 weeks off in Sydney on Xs before an Animal magic tour of the continent , previously we had been in the Gibson desert? They wanted me to go on to the Himalaya My wife said no. Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Aug 2022, at 15:33, Roger Long wrote: > > ?The Goodyear blimp was a very stable aerial platform and fun to fly > We were going to do a Birds eye view show from it. With the engines off you could hear real detail from below and do excellent long lens work without a gimbal mount > Goodyear moved their base to Europe and that was that > CastleAir would show us where they shot ads and go down real low > Not as low as the Drugs agency in Florida who went down to read addresses on US post boxes? and land in the median of interstates to attend drug relatedRTA > They also took us out on confiscated tobacco boats used by drug barons v fast and uncomfortable we almost lost a camera asst not strapped in > That was for a Brinks Mat robbery show Florida?s was used to process the gold ingots! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 14:08, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Was only a part time OB chap compared to you guys. >> >> But do have one story. After going freelance was employed on a Sky show called Beat the Crusher - facilities provided by Thames OBs Or maybe what were Thames OBs. As a gram op. >> >> This particular location (in the late autumn) was somewhere in the East of England - too far to commute from London, between rehearsal day and show day. Important people in the unit put up in a local hotel. The rest of us in what would best be described as a retreat, and some 10 miles way down country lanes. No smoking or drinking on the premises. No heating or hot water. No TV or radios allowed. And nowhere to even get a cup of tea anywhere close, and no breakfast either. >> >> Show was also a PITA. The OB unit had only the facilitates paid for. For my job, two dreadful Mini-Disc players. And none of the stuff needed to be played in ever came on Mini-Disc. (IIRC, the contestants had to mime to a pop song they supplied - always on cassette, despite being told it had to be Mini-Disc) >> >> Made me really appreciate my staff days. >> >>>> On 27/08/2022 13:05, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> The riggers would sometimes sleep in the OB trucks. They would refer to staying at the Albion Hotel ( for those who don?t realise, Albion built lorries ). >>> >>> There were other events where there was no accommodation to be found within 25 miles or more. That was often the case for the Open Golf, Three day equestrian events, or shows from holiday resorts over bank holiday weekends. One option was to take tents and camp nearby. Usually people stayed in proper campsites, but on one occasion way back in the 1970s, the scanner was working in a massively crowded Torquay over the August bank holiday and all the hotels were full. The scanner was parked on private land where we were welcome to pitch tents on the perimeter of the field. >>> >>> The show was recorded, so there was no need for music or control lines from the GPO, just a DEL ( telephone line ). As it happened the DEL cable passed close to our tent. The DEL was never used when the scanner was locked up. I got a field telephone, re-routed the cable via our tent and we were able to call home after work. Other crew members in adjacent tents liked the idea and before long there were several field telephones in parallel across this line. >>> >>> One night, before going to sleep, we called the operator and booked an alarm call for 4am. The operator said that due to it being so early in the morning, they needed to call back on that number to check that it wasn?t a prank. She called back, we confirmed we were the people who set up the call and then promptly disconnected our field telephone. >>> >>> 4am the next morning, the phones start ringing in several tents. >>> Tent 1: ?Scanner Torquay ? ? said the first person to answer. >>> The operator tried to say it was the early morning alarm call, but couldn?t get a word in as people in other tents picked up the phone. >>> Tent 2: ?This is the BBC OB ?.? >>> Tent 3: ?Yes that?s right, how can I help you?? >>> Tent 1: ?You called me? >>> Tent 3: ?No I didn?t, you called me? >>> Tent 2: ?The phone was ringing here in Torquay? >>> Tent 1: ?Well I?m in Torquay and you made the call. Who are you?? >>> Tent 3: ? I?m part of the OB crew? >>> Tent 1 & 2 together ? No, I?m part of the OB crew?. >>> Then it dawned on people that they were talking to the occupants of the other tents. >>> >>> The other camping on location story concerned Colin White, our head of sound, who was visiting the Open Golf OB. He knew people were camping on a camp site nearby, but he didn?t have a tent of his own, nor any camping equipment. He was offered space in a large tent being used by the sound crew. He didn?t have a proper camp bed, but instead brought along one of those aluminium folding sun loungers. I would also add that the lantern normally used to illuminate it at night packed up, but the crew improvised to get around the problem. >>> >>> His car was parked closest to the tent and as he had driven to site that day, it was agreed that his car battery was the freshest and that it would be best if his headlights were used for general illumination before everybody settled down for the night after having returned from a restaurant where a certain amount of alcohol might have been consumed. >>> >>> Everybody settled down and Colin popped out to turn off his lights and lock his car. His eyes hasn?t properly adjusted to the darkness as he fumbled his way back to the tent, closed the zipper that shuts down the tent door and started to climb into his bed. >>> >>> There is an important difference between camp beds and sun loungers. Camp beds had rows of legs all along their entire length, while sun loungers only had two legs near the centre, with the head and tail parts cantilevered outwards. When Colin sat on the head of his sun lounger, there was no leg supporting him and he was unceremoniously dumped out of bed and thrown back towards the door of the tent. Those in the tent had already accustomed their eyes to the darkness. All they could make out was the green glow of the luminous hands of Colin?s wrist watch carefully feeling his way to his bed, followed by the green glow wildly flailing around when he was ejected from his bed. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>>>> On 27 Aug 2022, at 11:32, Mike Jordan wrote: >>>> It was also of course not unknown for some ranks of OBers to bunk down in the truck giving "double" savings. >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Aug 27 10:07:55 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 16:07:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <2809513B-4919-410E-982D-338FCB223700@btinternet.com> References: <2809513B-4919-410E-982D-338FCB223700@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <65368F1E-F0BC-4489-BD5A-547B9066BC86@me.com> The Goodyear blimp was a fantastic, stable camera platform, but when it was first used on a cup final from Wembley, they discovered a massive drawback. It casts a huge shadow. Racks went bananas when the blimp caused half the pitch to be in shadow, with players dressed in white running between sunshine and shadow. There was a story about low helicopter flying and Ken Griffin, who was a terrific OB events producer who was famed for creating vast quantities of interesting programmes on minuscule budgets. He was ex-Army and never hesitated to try and call in favours from the armed services, especially the Army. He wanted to shoot some helicopter sequences in Wiltshire and naturally went to see the Army helicopter people at Middle Wallop. He explained that he would need to have a cameraman sitting sideways, filming out of the open door, with the helicopter flying sideways, but fast and low. He made the rookie mistake of asking ?Are your guys able to do that??. He was told that it would be best for him to judge it himself. They got an Army helicopter, removed the door and strapped him in sideways, with his legs dangling outside where the cameraman would be. They then flew to Salisbury racecourse where the helicopter flew around the course, just a foot or two above the ground at great speed, climbing at the last moment to clear each of the fences. Ken was shouting and waving to tell the pilot that he was convinced, but the pilot pretended to not notice and went into ?Scream if you want to go faster? mode. Upon his return to Middle Wallop, Ken had no reservations about the skills of the pilot. If he might have had any doubts on future occasions, he would now know better than to ever mention any doubts if there was a chance that they might take him aloft to demonstrate. Alan > On 27 Aug 2022, at 15:33, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The Goodyear blimp was a very stable aerial platform and fun to fly > We were going to do a Birds eye view show from it. With the engines off you could hear real detail from below and do excellent long lens work without a gimbal mount > Goodyear moved their base to Europe and that was that > CastleAir would show us where they shot ads and go down real low > Not as low as the Drugs agency in Florida who went down to read addresses on US post boxes? and land in the median of interstates to attend drug relatedRTA > They also took us out on confiscated tobacco boats used by drug barons v fast and uncomfortable we almost lost a camera asst not strapped in > That was for a Brinks Mat robbery show Florida?s was used to process the gold ingots! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 14:08, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Was only a part time OB chap compared to you guys. >> >> But do have one story. After going freelance was employed on a Sky show called Beat the Crusher - facilities provided by Thames OBs Or maybe what were Thames OBs. As a gram op. >> >> This particular location (in the late autumn) was somewhere in the East of England - too far to commute from London, between rehearsal day and show day. Important people in the unit put up in a local hotel. The rest of us in what would best be described as a retreat, and some 10 miles way down country lanes. No smoking or drinking on the premises. No heating or hot water. No TV or radios allowed. And nowhere to even get a cup of tea anywhere close, and no breakfast either. >> >> Show was also a PITA. The OB unit had only the facilitates paid for. For my job, two dreadful Mini-Disc players. And none of the stuff needed to be played in ever came on Mini-Disc. (IIRC, the contestants had to mime to a pop song they supplied - always on cassette, despite being told it had to be Mini-Disc) >> >> Made me really appreciate my staff days. >> >>>> On 27/08/2022 13:05, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> The riggers would sometimes sleep in the OB trucks. They would refer to staying at the Albion Hotel ( for those who don?t realise, Albion built lorries ). >>> >>> There were other events where there was no accommodation to be found within 25 miles or more. That was often the case for the Open Golf, Three day equestrian events, or shows from holiday resorts over bank holiday weekends. One option was to take tents and camp nearby. Usually people stayed in proper campsites, but on one occasion way back in the 1970s, the scanner was working in a massively crowded Torquay over the August bank holiday and all the hotels were full. The scanner was parked on private land where we were welcome to pitch tents on the perimeter of the field. >>> >>> The show was recorded, so there was no need for music or control lines from the GPO, just a DEL ( telephone line ). As it happened the DEL cable passed close to our tent. The DEL was never used when the scanner was locked up. I got a field telephone, re-routed the cable via our tent and we were able to call home after work. Other crew members in adjacent tents liked the idea and before long there were several field telephones in parallel across this line. >>> >>> One night, before going to sleep, we called the operator and booked an alarm call for 4am. The operator said that due to it being so early in the morning, they needed to call back on that number to check that it wasn?t a prank. She called back, we confirmed we were the people who set up the call and then promptly disconnected our field telephone. >>> >>> 4am the next morning, the phones start ringing in several tents. >>> Tent 1: ?Scanner Torquay ? ? said the first person to answer. >>> The operator tried to say it was the early morning alarm call, but couldn?t get a word in as people in other tents picked up the phone. >>> Tent 2: ?This is the BBC OB ?.? >>> Tent 3: ?Yes that?s right, how can I help you?? >>> Tent 1: ?You called me? >>> Tent 3: ?No I didn?t, you called me? >>> Tent 2: ?The phone was ringing here in Torquay? >>> Tent 1: ?Well I?m in Torquay and you made the call. Who are you?? >>> Tent 3: ? I?m part of the OB crew? >>> Tent 1 & 2 together ? No, I?m part of the OB crew?. >>> Then it dawned on people that they were talking to the occupants of the other tents. >>> >>> The other camping on location story concerned Colin White, our head of sound, who was visiting the Open Golf OB. He knew people were camping on a camp site nearby, but he didn?t have a tent of his own, nor any camping equipment. He was offered space in a large tent being used by the sound crew. He didn?t have a proper camp bed, but instead brought along one of those aluminium folding sun loungers. I would also add that the lantern normally used to illuminate it at night packed up, but the crew improvised to get around the problem. >>> >>> His car was parked closest to the tent and as he had driven to site that day, it was agreed that his car battery was the freshest and that it would be best if his headlights were used for general illumination before everybody settled down for the night after having returned from a restaurant where a certain amount of alcohol might have been consumed. >>> >>> Everybody settled down and Colin popped out to turn off his lights and lock his car. His eyes hasn?t properly adjusted to the darkness as he fumbled his way back to the tent, closed the zipper that shuts down the tent door and started to climb into his bed. >>> >>> There is an important difference between camp beds and sun loungers. Camp beds had rows of legs all along their entire length, while sun loungers only had two legs near the centre, with the head and tail parts cantilevered outwards. When Colin sat on the head of his sun lounger, there was no leg supporting him and he was unceremoniously dumped out of bed and thrown back towards the door of the tent. Those in the tent had already accustomed their eyes to the darkness. All they could make out was the green glow of the luminous hands of Colin?s wrist watch carefully feeling his way to his bed, followed by the green glow wildly flailing around when he was ejected from his bed. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>>>> On 27 Aug 2022, at 11:32, Mike Jordan wrote: >>>> It was also of course not unknown for some ranks of OBers to bunk down in the truck giving "double" savings. >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Aug 27 12:34:14 2022 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 18:34:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops Topics 7 Summer 2022 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17AA4E67443945CDA6D445A85285DE97@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Let?s hear it for Alec everyone! Dave Newbitt. From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 12:53 PM To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops Topics 7 Summer 2022 Hi everyone, Here is your Bank Holiday treat: the next collection of your stories and reminiscences from the Tech Ops website: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/08/topics-7-summer-2022/ It is quite a bumper issue! This is the last one that I shall be collating. I am very pleased to say that Alan Taylor has agreed to take over the role of collating/curating your tales of working for the BBC such that we collect this "folk" history for future generations. I am sure that you will all, with me, wish him well in this role. It is quite difficult to image - even for us who did it - that we went live on air with complex multi-camera shows every night of the week. I am hoping to put together a piece about going live with a weekly drama series, so you are not completely done with me yet! It has been an absolute pleasure to have been working with you guys on this over the last eight years: I would like to publicly thank Bernie for the opportunity to work on his website- it has been an absolute privilege - and I hope that I have not muddled too many Barrys, Johns and Daves. But now my wife is getting less and less mobile (multiple joint issues) - and a new granddaughter as well (now 20 months, very inquisitive *) - so personal affairs will be taking far more of my time. All the very best to you all, Very best regards, Alec * she knows which ditdit turns the tv on, which ditdit changes channels. She also knows which key opens which shed... I could go on and on and on ...) -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk Sat Aug 27 15:14:07 2022 From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 20:14:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Noel Edmonds Message-ID: Dear all, There is a show about Noel Edmonds on Channel 5 tonight. It includes some footage from Swap Shop where Edmunds does a walk round the studio. There?s some good footage of cameras. Best wishes, Robin Sent from my iPhone From mibridge at mac.com Sat Aug 27 15:31:15 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 21:31:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noel Edmonds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B7560F2-24C7-4E8D-A909-D4A5C3EE6DC0@mac.com> I?m watching it! Mike G > On 27 Aug 2022, at 21:14, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Dear all, > > There is a show about Noel Edmonds on Channel 5 tonight. It includes some footage from Swap Shop where Edmunds does a walk round the studio. There?s some good footage of cameras. > > Best wishes, > > Robin > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Aug 27 15:36:39 2022 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 21:36:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noel Edmonds In-Reply-To: <2B7560F2-24C7-4E8D-A909-D4A5C3EE6DC0@mac.com> References: <2B7560F2-24C7-4E8D-A909-D4A5C3EE6DC0@mac.com> Message-ID: <5F0A803A-D009-495A-970D-53D6A5B31228@me.com> For anybody wanting to watch it from the start, there should be a Ch 5+1 channel on your TV with the show starting at 22:00 tonight, and of course a catch-up service on the internet. Alan > On 27 Aug 2022, at 21:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I?m watching it! > > Mike G > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 21:14, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Dear all, >> >> There is a show about Noel Edmonds on Channel 5 tonight. It includes some footage from Swap Shop where Edmunds does a walk round the studio. There?s some good footage of cameras. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Robin >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From techtone at protonmail.com Sat Aug 27 15:52:43 2022 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 20:52:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops Topics 7 Summer 2022 In-Reply-To: <17AA4E67443945CDA6D445A85285DE97@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <17AA4E67443945CDA6D445A85285DE97@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Absolutely! I couldn't agree more. Whilst I dip into my inbox on an irregular basis, and occasionally send off erudite replies (well that's what I think they are at the time) to see subjects neatly collected/arranged/collated under relevant headings helps keep memories alive, and prop up failing brain cells - gosh, I remember that (or in my case, 'oops, did I really say that?'). Heartfelt thanks Alec, and welcome Alan, I look forward to your input, and unending admiration for all the time spent by Bernie for keeping us in touch. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, August 27th, 2022 at 18:34, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Let?s hear it for Alec everyone! > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Alec Bray via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 12:53 PM > To: Tech Ops > Subject: [Tech1] Tech Ops Topics 7 Summer 2022 > > Hi everyone, > > Here is your Bank Holiday treat: the next collection of your stories and reminiscences from the Tech Ops website: > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/08/topics-7-summer-2022/ > > It is quite a bumper issue! > > This is the last one that I shall be collating. I am very pleased to say that Alan Taylor has agreed to take over the role of collating/curating your tales of working for the BBC such that we collect this "folk" history for future generations. I am sure that you will all, with me, wish him well in this role. It is quite difficult to image - even for us who did it - that we went live on air with complex multi-camera shows every night of the week. I am hoping to put together a piece about going live with a weekly drama series, so you are not completely done with me yet! > > It has been an absolute pleasure to have been working with you guys on this over the last eight years: I would like to publicly thank Bernie for the opportunity to work on his website- it has been an absolute privilege - and I hope that I have not muddled too many Barrys, Johns and Daves. But now my wife is getting less and less mobile (multiple joint issues) - and a new granddaughter as well (now 20 months, very inquisitive *) - so personal affairs will be taking far more of my time. > > All the very best to you all, > > Very best regards, > > Alec > > * she knows which ditdit turns the tv on, which ditdit changes channels. She also knows which key opens which shed... I could go on and on and on ...) > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Aug 27 16:32:45 2022 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 22:32:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Complete the following In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67351392-F338-4953-8F6B-B4B5413AA73F@mac.com> What a relief - I thought I was being dim, some. Mike G > On 27 Aug 2022, at 00:18, David Brunt wrote: > > ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_sum > >> On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 23:52, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Do put me out of my misery, Nick. I?m stumped on this one! (I do hope I?m not alone). >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 16:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ??Our local Chinese takeaway has just got a 10 grand electricity bill. They?ve said they can?t turn all the lights off, but do ???.? >>> (Well it made me chuckle) >>> N. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 17:18:49 2022 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 23:18:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Complete the following In-Reply-To: <67351392-F338-4953-8F6B-B4B5413AA73F@mac.com> References: <67351392-F338-4953-8F6B-B4B5413AA73F@mac.com> Message-ID: I tried to arrange a dim sum disorganised long ago, but no-one wanted to join in. Could be done again B On 27/08/2022 22:32, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > What a relief - I thought I was being dim, some. > > Mike G > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 00:18, David Brunt wrote: >> >> ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_sum >> >>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 23:52, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Do put me out of my misery, Nick. I?m stumped on this one! (I do hope I?m not alone). >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>>> On 26 Aug 2022, at 16:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ??Our local Chinese takeaway has just got a 10 grand electricity bill. They?ve said they can?t turn all the lights off, but do ???.? >>>> (Well it made me chuckle) >>>> N. >>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsnape at talktalk.net Sat Aug 27 18:33:26 2022 From: hughsnape at talktalk.net (Hugh Snape) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 00:33:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie References: Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Hugh Snape > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie > Date: 27 August 2022 at 14:32:12 BST > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > When I worked on OBs at TSW we used to ?fly? a lot, very often in the crew bus, a venerable vehicle with many stories of its own. We would all contribute to the float for diesel and the arrangement generally worked well. On one shoot however a scene hand who didn?t generally work on outside broadcasts was part of the crew. On day one we all gave the crew bus driver our cash contributions for the week?s flying and all went well. Until expense claim time that is when it was discovered that the aforementioned individual had not only claimed the allowance for accommodation etc but also for his contribution to the float! It caused a few problems . . . > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 12:07, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> No doubt that our job gave rise to some excellent experiences. The Jet Ranger is my favourite whirlybird, and flying >> with Keith Thompson from Castle Air was exciting. One job - profiling high speed power boats around the Isle of Wight, >> had Keith hovering with the skids barely a foot above the water, as the power boat hammered towards us >> head on at about 60 knots. >> >> At the last minute, Keith lifted up and the boat passed underneath. >> If he had mistimed it, think what the insurance claim might read: >> >> "Power Boat Collides with Helicopter!" >> >> Oh,yeah? >> >> Another experience: >> Filming aerials circling around the Statue of Liberty from helicopter was a bonus! Looking out the window, I felt it was just like a TV shot, >> then had to pinch myself as it was LIVE! >> >> Pat H >> >> On 27/08/2022 09:49, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> I had a fantastic early morning flight with Jack from Lulsgate to the Scillies at 500 feet on a brilliant day >>> Very memorable , Julian Pettifor was the presenter always v professional , the islands magical >>> Did another similar flip with Alan Titchmarsh. But in a Castle Air jet ranger >>> Both great fun >>> Roger >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 04:40:27 2022 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:40:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84B271A5-03B2-444F-AA81-8F24488B7807@gmail.com> Here?s a shot of Dickie Bunn ready for action in a Gazelle helo. Geoff F > On 28 Aug 2022, at 00:33, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: > > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Hugh Snape > >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie >> Date: 27 August 2022 at 14:32:12 BST >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> When I worked on OBs at TSW we used to ?fly? a lot, very often in the crew bus, a venerable vehicle with many stories of its own. We would all contribute to the float for diesel and the arrangement generally worked well. On one shoot however a scene hand who didn?t generally work on outside broadcasts was part of the crew. On day one we all gave the crew bus driver our cash contributions for the week?s flying and all went well. Until expense claim time that is when it was discovered that the aforementioned individual had not only claimed the allowance for accommodation etc but also for his contribution to the float! It caused a few problems . . . >> >>> On 27 Aug 2022, at 12:07, Pat Heigham via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> No doubt that our job gave rise to some excellent experiences. The Jet Ranger is my favourite whirlybird, and flying >>> with Keith Thompson from Castle Air was exciting. One job - profiling high speed power boats around the Isle of Wight, >>> had Keith hovering with the skids barely a foot above the water, as the power boat hammered towards us >>> head on at about 60 knots. >>> >>> At the last minute, Keith lifted up and the boat passed underneath. >>> If he had mistimed it, think what the insurance claim might read: >>> >>> "Power Boat Collides with Helicopter!" >>> >>> Oh,yeah? >>> >>> Another experience: >>> Filming aerials circling around the Statue of Liberty from helicopter was a bonus! Looking out the window, I felt it was just like a TV shot, >>> then had to pinch myself as it was LIVE! >>> >>> Pat H >>> >>> On 27/08/2022 09:49, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>> I had a fantastic early morning flight with Jack from Lulsgate to the Scillies at 500 feet on a brilliant day >>>> Very memorable , Julian Pettifor was the presenter always v professional , the islands magical >>>> Did another similar flip with Alan Titchmarsh. But in a Castle Air jet ranger >>>> Both great fun >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Dickie Bunn in a Gazelle.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 104719 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Aug 30 04:44:03 2022 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:44:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <84B271A5-03B2-444F-AA81-8F24488B7807@gmail.com> References: <84B271A5-03B2-444F-AA81-8F24488B7807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EDAFDB9-5D3D-4F6C-83B9-6ACCE1636D34@icloud.com> Looks like the Middle Wallop air display. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Aug 2022, at 10:40, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 30 04:47:14 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:47:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noel Edmonds In-Reply-To: <2B7560F2-24C7-4E8D-A909-D4A5C3EE6DC0@mac.com> References: <2B7560F2-24C7-4E8D-A909-D4A5C3EE6DC0@mac.com> Message-ID: I also viewed the programme. I felt that here was a man who had a much inflated ego. 'Buying the BBC!' He cannot be serious! (to borrow from McEnroe). The interviewed stunt supervisor had plenty to say about the one where life was lost. I knew some of the guys who did the stunts on Bond, but not him. Think Edmonds should have stayed 'resigned' Pat H On 27/08/2022 21:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I?m watching it! > > Mike G > >> On 27 Aug 2022, at 21:14, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Dear all, >> >> There is a show about Noel Edmonds on Channel 5 tonight. It includes some footage from Swap Shop where Edmunds does a walk round the studio. There?s some good footage of cameras. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Robin >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 30 05:04:47 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:04:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <84B271A5-03B2-444F-AA81-8F24488B7807@gmail.com> References: <84B271A5-03B2-444F-AA81-8F24488B7807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88f261bf-a85b-be1c-c442-cfcfaddbac1d@amps.net> If those of you happened to watch "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" last night on the box - great film, wonderful cast, and there's a good write up on Wikipedia. Apparently six replica aircraft actually flew, and fake noses and cockpits were fitted on the front of an Alouette! However I despair of today's presentation - well there isn't any! The film was coming to an end, but presumably the automated switch clipped the end music and bashed straight into the commercials. I suppose no-one cares anymore. And would it be too difficult to auto switch the aspect ratio? Pat H On 30/08/2022 10:40, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Here?s a shot of Dickie Bunn ready for action in a Gazelle helo. > > > Geoff F > >> On 28 Aug 2022, at 00:33, Hugh Snape via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> *From: *Hugh Snape >>> *Subject: **Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie* >>> *Date: *27 August 2022 at 14:32:12 BST >>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> When I worked on OBs at TSW we used to ?fly? a lot, very often in >>> the crew bus, a venerable vehicle with many stories of its own. We >>> would all contribute to the float for diesel and the arrangement >>> generally worked well. On one shoot however a scene hand who didn?t >>> generally work on outside broadcasts was part of the crew. On day >>> one we all gave the crew bus driver our cash contributions for the >>> week?s flying and all went well. Until expense claim time that is >>> when it was discovered that the aforementioned individual had not >>> only claimed the allowance ?for ?accommodation etc but also for his >>> contribution to the float! It caused a few problems . . . > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 30 Aug 2022, at 11:04, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > If those of you happened to watch "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" last night on the box - > > great film, wonderful cast, and there's a good write up on Wikipedia. > > Apparently six replica aircraft actually flew, and fake noses and cockpits were fitted on the front of an Alouette! > > However I despair of today's presentation - well there isn't any! The film was coming to an end, but presumably > the automated switch clipped the end music and bashed straight into the commercials. > > I suppose no-one cares anymore. > > And would it be too difficult to auto switch the aspect ratio? > > Pat H > > > > > > On 30/08/2022 10:40, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >> Here?s a shot of Dickie Bunn ready for action in a Gazelle helo. >> >> >> >> Geoff F >> >>> On 28 Aug 2022, at 00:33, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: Hugh Snape >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie >>>> Date: 27 August 2022 at 14:32:12 BST >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> When I worked on OBs at TSW we used to ?fly? a lot, very often in the crew bus, a venerable vehicle with many stories of its own. We would all contribute to the float for diesel and the arrangement generally worked well. On one shoot however a scene hand who didn?t generally work on outside broadcasts was part of the crew. On day one we all gave the crew bus driver our cash contributions for the week?s flying and all went well. Until expense claim time that is when it was discovered that the aforementioned individual had not only claimed the allowance for accommodation etc but also for his contribution to the float! It caused a few problems . . . >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Aug 30 06:02:24 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:02:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Golden Oldie In-Reply-To: <1D7FD20A-E037-4313-B6F6-350D6B4DB04E@icloud.com> References: <84B271A5-03B2-444F-AA81-8F24488B7807@gmail.com> <88f261bf-a85b-be1c-c442-cfcfaddbac1d@amps.net> <1D7FD20A-E037-4313-B6F6-350D6B4DB04E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <191a078f-030f-e2ec-f5c6-afd82d31482f@amps.net> My ex-Navy friend is proud of the fact that two of the aircraft he used to fly are in the RNAS Museum at Yeovilton. One was a Gannet, the other a Westland Wessex heli. They've got Concorde 002 there, as well. He went on to fly Puma helicopters out to the North Sea rigs - said it was much easier landing on a rig rather than a carrier at sea, which tended to move about a bit! Pat H On 30/08/2022 11:08, Graeme Wall wrote: > One of the replicas, the Bristol Box-kite, is now on display in the Bristol aerospace museum at Filton, along with the last Concorde. Well worth a visit. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 30 Aug 2022, at 11:04, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> If those of you happened to watch "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" last night on the box - >> >> great film, wonderful cast, and there's a good write up on Wikipedia. >> >> Apparently six replica aircraft actually flew, and fake noses and cockpits were fitted on the front of an Alouette! >> >> However I despair of today's presentation - well there isn't any! The film was coming to an end, but presumably >> the automated switch clipped the end music and bashed straight into the commercials. >> >> I suppose no-one cares anymore. >> >> And would it be too difficult to auto switch the aspect ratio? >> >> Pat H >> >> >> >> >> >> On 30/08/2022 10:40, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >>> Here?s a shot of Dickie Bunn ready for action in a Gazelle helo. >>> >>> >>> >>> Geoff F >>> >>>> On 28 Aug 2022, at 00:33, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>> From: Hugh Snape >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie >>>>> Date: 27 August 2022 at 14:32:12 BST >>>>> To:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> When I worked on OBs at TSW we used to ?fly? a lot, very often in the crew bus, a venerable vehicle with many stories of its own. We would all contribute to the float for diesel and the arrangement generally worked well. 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Ian was always a brilliant person to visit museums with because he was interested in and knowledgeable about so many things, but Yeovilton was especially memorable because they had a Fairy Gannet. Ian had flown in one very extensively when he was working as a photographer filming the prototype Fairey Rotodyne hybrid aircraft. He became incredibly animated and excited to get up close with it again. I?ve seen a similar thing when I took my ex-wife?s grandfather to visit one of the GWR steam locomotives he used to drive and my present wife observed similar emotions when I had an opportunity about a year ago to visit the preserved and restored LPU scanner, which I spent so much of my time working in for about seven or eight incredibly happy years. As far as carrier landings are concerned, Peter Dimmock told a story of when he had to have a meeting concerning TV coverage of the review of the fleet immediately after the Coronation. The person he needed to speak to was on aircraft carrier in the Solent. Dimmock had been a flying instructor during WW2 and decided to hire an aircraft in order to fly himself out to the aircraft carrier. He radioed the carrier, requesting them to sail into the wind, landed on it and then stepped out with his suit, bowler hat, briefcase and umbrella. Full details are in the interview he gave to Nick Gilbey on the OB History site. It?s well worth a read. Alan > On 30 Aug 2022, at 12:02, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > My ex-Navy friend is proud of the fact that two of the aircraft he used to fly are in the RNAS Museum at Yeovilton. > > One was a Gannet, the other a Westland Wessex heli. They've got Concorde 002 there, as well. > > He went on to fly Puma helicopters out to the North Sea rigs - said it was much easier landing on a rig rather than a > > carrier at sea, which tended to move about a bit! > > Pat H > >> On 30/08/2022 11:08, Graeme Wall wrote: >> One of the replicas, the Bristol Box-kite, is now on display in the Bristol aerospace museum at Filton, along with the last Concorde. Well worth a visit. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 30 Aug 2022, at 11:04, Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> If those of you happened to watch "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" last night on the box - >>>> >>>> great film, wonderful cast, and there's a good write up on Wikipedia. >>>> >>>> Apparently six replica aircraft actually flew, and fake noses and cockpits were fitted on the front of an Alouette! >>>> >>>> However I despair of today's presentation - well there isn't any! The film was coming to an end, but presumably >>>> the automated switch clipped the end music and bashed straight into the commercials. >>>> >>>> I suppose no-one cares anymore. >>>> >>>> And would it be too difficult to auto switch the aspect ratio? >>>> >>>> Pat H >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30/08/2022 10:40, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Here?s a shot of Dickie Bunn ready for action in a Gazelle helo. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Geoff F >>>> >>>>>> On 28 Aug 2022, at 00:33, Hugh Snape via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Hugh Snape >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Golden Oldie >>>>>> Date: 27 August 2022 at 14:32:12 BST >>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> When I worked on OBs at TSW we used to ?fly? a lot, very often in the crew bus, a venerable vehicle with many stories of its own. We would all contribute to the float for diesel and the arrangement generally worked well. 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The car careened almost out of control down the road, bouncing off the crash barriers, until it miraculously ground to a halt scraping along the mountainside. The car's occupants, shaken but unhurt, now had a problem: they were stuck halfway down a mountain in a car with no brakes. What were they to do? "I know," said the department manager, "Let's have a meeting, propose a Vision, formulate a Mission Statement, define some Goals and by a process of Continuous Improvement find a solution to the Critical Problems, and we can be on our way." "No, no," said the hardware engineer, "That will take far too long, and besides, that method has never worked before. I've got my Swiss Army knife with me, and in no time at all I can strip down the car's braking system, isolate the fault, fix it and we can be on our way." "Well," said the software engineer, "Before we do anything, I think we should push the car back up the road and see if it happens again." -------------------------- Four engineers were riding in a car: a mechanical engineer, a chemical engineer, an electrical engineer, and a software engineer. The car breaks down. The mechanical engineer says "Oh no, sounds like we threw a rod, I think the valves are shot." The electrical engineer says "I really think it's the points, the spark plugs just aren't firing." The chemical engineer replied "No I think it's the gas we bought at that last station." The software engineer told the other three "I have an idea, why don't we close all the windows, get out and then get back in again and see if it starts." ------------------------ Q: how many Microsoft programmers does it take to change a light bulb?answer A: none, they just make darkness a standard and tell everyone "this behaviour is by design" ------------------------ Best regards Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Aug 31 14:35:58 2022 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (Pat Heigham) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 20:35:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] David Dimbleby's Days That Shook the BBC Message-ID: Anyone see this programme Last night - BBC2? Available on i-Player, or it's repeated on Thurs (23:15) Pat H