From waresound at msn.com  Fri Apr  1 02:51:43 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 07:51:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TVC Diagram
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981BD7EB48EA0EF4DEC6FB2A7E09@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

A few months ago I bought a copy of Terry Hylton?s very splendid TV Centre print. It?s 24? x 36? and sadly, I don?t see it ever getting framed and displayed here, so I wonder if anyone would like it? Still in its protective cardboard tube.
I can?t remember what I paid for it, but first come first served just for the cost of postage, which was ?5.70 in June 2020, so probably double that now. Call it a tenner.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Apr  1 03:28:28 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:28:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting and timely proposal
Message-ID: <A2B7D1BA-65A0-4179-A328-6ED831002476@me.com>

I?m no fan of the royal family, but those who know me would understand why this article appeals to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/01/tory-mps-lobby-no-10-to-let-royal-family-use-seized-russian-superyacht

Alan
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From nickrodger at mac.com  Fri Apr  1 03:31:20 2022
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:31:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting and timely proposal
In-Reply-To: <A2B7D1BA-65A0-4179-A328-6ED831002476@me.com>
References: <A2B7D1BA-65A0-4179-A328-6ED831002476@me.com>
Message-ID: <358931DE-F23C-40B9-9975-E677B2214C07@mac.com>

Just remind me, what?s today?s date??

Nick Rodger 
Cameraman (Retired) 
07971 007578 
nickrodger at mac.com  

Sent from my iPhone. 
Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 

Don?t blame me!! 
I voted Remain ??










On 1 Apr 2022, at 09:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?I?m no fan of the royal family, but those who know me would understand why this article appeals to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/01/tory-mps-lobby-no-10-to-let-royal-family-use-seized-russian-superyacht

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From jccglass at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 04:02:38 2022
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 10:02:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Family History - Find My Past
References: <A2B7D1BA-65A0-4179-A328-6ED831002476@me.com>
	<358931DE-F23C-40B9-9975-E677B2214C07@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6101F70665D9467E95366E6D0659FA4F@dell9100>

Butcher family
only the slightest  connection to TV

In the 1939 voters register  they were living in Chancellors Rd
next to Riverside Film Studios) but by 1939 ww2 register have vanished
but in 1942 marriage licence address is 91 Bayonne Rd Fulham

Knowing several of you do family history
Has anyone got a find my past subscription

Im looking for Butcher children at 91 Bayonne Rd Fulham
might also be  under Davis (step father Edward william Davis)
in the 1939 Ww2 register  Fulham Met B

I have Ancestry, however the higher odd number houses are missing from their
images

Chris Glass
01895 635063





From c.glass110 at btinternet.com  Fri Apr  1 04:35:47 2022
From: c.glass110 at btinternet.com (JCC Glass)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 10:35:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Family history find My Fast lookup
Message-ID: <65978DBAD41B4B398A2749848CD39DA7@dell9100>

i think my previous post bounced

Butcher family
only the slightest  connection to TV

In the 1939 voters register  they were living in Chancellors Rd
next to Riverside Film Studios) but by 1939 ww2 register have vanished
but in 1942 marriage licence address is 91 Bayonne Rd Fulham

Knowing several of you do family history
Has anyone got a find my past subscription

Im looking for Butcher children at 91 Bayonne Rd Fulham
might also be  under Davis (step father Edward william Davis)
in the 1939 Ww2 register  Fulham Met B

I have Ancestry, however the higher odd number houses are missing from their
images

Chris Glass
01895 635063





From waresound at msn.com  Fri Apr  1 04:52:17 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:52:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TVC Diagram
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB1981BD7EB48EA0EF4DEC6FB2A7E09@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PAXP191MB1981BD7EB48EA0EF4DEC6FB2A7E09@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB19813C578F68D8AF15983378A7E09@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Now gone to a good cause.
N.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

> On 1 Apr 2022, at 08:51, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?A few months ago I bought a copy of Terry Hylton?s very splendid TV Centre print. It?s 24? x 36? and sadly, I don?t see it ever getting framed and displayed here, so I wonder if anyone would like it? Still in its protective cardboard tube.
> I can?t remember what I paid for it, but first come first served just for the cost of postage, which was ?5.70 in June 2020, so probably double that now. Call it a tenner.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Apr  1 09:06:43 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:06:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting and timely proposal
In-Reply-To: <A2B7D1BA-65A0-4179-A328-6ED831002476@me.com>
References: <A2B7D1BA-65A0-4179-A328-6ED831002476@me.com>
Message-ID: <624706f3.1c69fb81.eb34d.933d@mx.google.com>

Oh! Not another spaghetti harvest!
(Even a four-former could have come up with a better name for the pirate?)
I wouldn?t mind one of those yachts, but haven?t the money to maintain it and a crew!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 01 April 2022 09:28
To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting and timely proposal

I?m no fan of the royal family, but those who know me would understand why this article appeals to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/01/tory-mps-lobby-no-10-to-let-royal-family-use-seized-russian-superyacht

Alan



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From c.glass110 at btinternet.com  Fri Apr  1 09:22:34 2022
From: c.glass110 at btinternet.com (JCC Glass)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:22:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Family history find My Past lookup
Message-ID: <5E7A7C076CBD4A34AB1F73944658A434@dell9100>

Thanks to Richard Green  Bayonne road found
Sadley my Butchers are still missing

Cheers all


From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Apr  1 10:00:48 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:00:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting and timely proposal
In-Reply-To: <624706f3.1c69fb81.eb34d.933d@mx.google.com>
References: <624706f3.1c69fb81.eb34d.933d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B83DDEDF-7A44-47FB-A39C-0239805DE892@me.com>

The Guardian have a long history for these spoof articles on April 1st.  Generally speaking they do them a little better than most other newspapers, but they always put in some joke names, usually towards the end.

Their most famous jape was the pull-out supplement about the islands of Sans Seriffe in 1977. As it happened, I was working on a remote site, on LO21 at Aintree.  It was the Friday before the Grand National and there was a long tradition of wind-ups between the London and Manchester crews working there.  April Fools day often happens during the rig period for that show and you can?t possibly waste the opportunity for inter-regional pranks.

Bearing in mind that 1977 was long before computer typography, their in-jokes were probably lost on a lot of readers, but as my father was a printer, I immediately recognised words like flong, pica, Gill Sands, Bodoni and serif, so I twigged the joke long before the article drifted into absurdity. 

At that time Concorde was famously doing proving trials, landing at provincial airports, mostly for publicity reasons, but partly to check viability. One of the spoof adverts in the supplement was for British Airways announcing that they would be starting a supersonic service to Sans Seriffe. The advert included a large picture of Concorde in flight.  

We carefully cut out the picture and mounted it on a black caption card. We also put a microphone next to our genny and plugged the six Glensound equalisers in series to make a very sharp filter to create a vaguely plausible sound for Concorde, which was mixed in with the sound of skylarks, which could normally be heard out at the remote site.

One camera was fed to line and initially showed Concorde as a small blurry object, but jerkily zoomed in and sharpened its focus.  Our other camera provided a very slowly panning sky shot which was mixed in and then panned down a little to give the illusion of Concorde flying nearer the skyline.

We didn?t draw attention to it, but simply fed it to the main site.  They spotted it in the scanner and we hard some excitement about it on talkback.  Some of their cameramen rushed up to their cameras on the grandstand, presumably to try and get better shots with their tighter lenses.

Once everybody in the scanner was looking at our feed and unable to find the aircraft with their cameras, we made Concorde fly backwards and do tricks. 

Alan



> On 1 Apr 2022, at 15:07, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Oh! Not another spaghetti harvest!
> (Even a four-former could have come up with a better name for the pirate?)
> I wouldn?t mind one of those yachts, but haven?t the money to maintain it and a crew!
>  
> Pat
>  
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 11:03:59 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 17:03:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lunch the other day
Message-ID: <9141dccd-30e5-89c6-ae0a-7db6ef82c929@gmail.com>

I tried out my new-ish toy to make some video over lunch. It was 
actually a new toy before Covid and has now sat around for a while. It's 
a DJI Osmo Mobile 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah7LpZpFY0 .It's 
an impressive machine, as you can see from the video, and I plan to use 
it for walking and talking shots in the film we're going to make next 
for Woking U3A - separate sound of course, with real clapper boards.

I'm not super pleased with my edited results, but I have a bit of time 
pressure. My phone records at 30fps, and it's quite a deal to get 
DaVinci Resolve to not run at its set speed of 25fps, so the rendered 
result isn't as good as it could be - the rushes are all fine, both in 
quality and not-stickiness.

Anyway - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/Ickenham_19_03_22.mp4

Someone asked me at lunch about a video on the website that he couldn't 
play, and I surmised that it's in Flash Video format. Great stuff at the 
time and I used it quite a lot, but forbidden now.? I need an email from 
that person so I can fix whatever it is. ? I was hunting the system for 
.flv format videos and found this, now in mp4. It's the same venue, 
September 2011 - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/2011.mp4

Next time, somewhere more central.

B
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Apr  1 12:09:31 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 18:09:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Family history find My Fast lookup
In-Reply-To: <65978DBAD41B4B398A2749848CD39DA7@dell9100>
References: <65978DBAD41B4B398A2749848CD39DA7@dell9100>
Message-ID: <646474A25A184E0392F454285E1FE1FB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Hi Chris,

I have Find My Past as well as Ancestry and can report from a preliminary 
check that in the 1939 register the occupants of 91, Bayonne Rd were Alfred 
& Annie Cobb and their daughter. As you already have researched with ref to 
Chancellors Road, in 1939 there were no Butchers at any of the households in 
the road.

What was the source of the 1942 marriage licence and am I right in presuming 
you refer to the marriage between the former Mrs Butcher & Edward William 
Davis? If so was the spouse referred to as Butcher or her maiden name?

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: JCC Glass via Tech1
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 10:35 AM
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Family history find My Fast lookup

i think my previous post bounced

Butcher family
only the slightest  connection to TV

In the 1939 voters register  they were living in Chancellors Rd
next to Riverside Film Studios) but by 1939 ww2 register have vanished
but in 1942 marriage licence address is 91 Bayonne Rd Fulham

Knowing several of you do family history
Has anyone got a find my past subscription

Im looking for Butcher children at 91 Bayonne Rd Fulham
might also be  under Davis (step father Edward william Davis)
in the 1939 Ww2 register  Fulham Met B

I have Ancestry, however the higher odd number houses are missing from their
images

Chris Glass
01895 635063




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From doug at puddifoot.me  Fri Apr  1 12:40:48 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 18:40:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Family History and Trumpeting
Message-ID: <31C62598B5E84AFF80A02B63FC25794B@NewOffice>

You could have knocked me down with a feather, I have just discovered that I 
am a ?Notable?



Doug 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Apr  1 15:25:18 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 21:25:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Family History and Trumpeting
In-Reply-To: <31C62598B5E84AFF80A02B63FC25794B@NewOffice>
References: <31C62598B5E84AFF80A02B63FC25794B@NewOffice>
Message-ID: <3d93321d-22b9-2a83-3a61-21601ef3cdb3@btinternet.com>

Congratulations! Arise, Sir Doug! Cheers, Dave

On 01/04/2022 18:40, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> You could have knocked me down with a feather, I have just discovered 
> that I am a ?Notable?
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 11:14:48 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 17:14:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] No more Flashiness
Message-ID: <e830bd9a-7fe2-4dc5-eaf2-59caa245baf1@gmail.com>

Over lunch the other day Peter Neill pointed out that he couldn't view 
some videos sent in long ago by John Barlow.? You can see why here - 
http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page157d.html

I used to use Flash a lot because you could do so much with it. Now it's 
banned for various reasons, and those pages don't work any more.? So 
I've rebuilt the page with Wordpress having gone back for the videos 
(.vob files) on the DVD that John sent me. So here it is again for 2022 
- http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/04/from-john-barlow/

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Apr  2 12:45:11 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 18:45:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] No more Flashiness
In-Reply-To: <e830bd9a-7fe2-4dc5-eaf2-59caa245baf1@gmail.com>
References: <e830bd9a-7fe2-4dc5-eaf2-59caa245baf1@gmail.com>
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I don?t know if it was the full reason for Flash being discontinued, but Apple certainly played a big part in it?s demise.  Steve Jobs had become dubious about Flash, partly because it was a closed system, but mainly because of security issues and stability problems. Trying to make Flash run on mobile devices was proving to be hopeless as it drew too much power from the battery because the CPU was working far too hard.  Android versions of Flash were performing badly too.

There were similar issues with the version of Flash for Mac computers, but of course power consumption wasn?t such an issue with a computer plugged into the mains. At that time I used to do tech support for Mac computers and if a client complained of poor performance or instability, the first thing to look at was which processes were using the most processing power. Flash was nearly always the culprit. I?ve seen cases where Flash was using more than 90% of the CPU cycles even while it was supposed to be idling in the background.  Uninstalling Flash often solved the instability problem and always speeded up the computer. However Flash was essential for the functionality of many popular web sites in those days, so clients insisted on keeping it installed.

Adobe and Apple worked together to try and make Flash viable on the IOS platform, but Steve Jobs eventually lost patience with it and wrote his infamous open letter declaring that Flash had no future on Apple mobile platforms.  He pointed out that HTML3 had been introduced by then and developers could replicate similar features using HTML3 but much more efficiently.  

Once it was declared that there will never be support for Flash on IOS devices, it?s fate was sealed and developers migrated to other solutions.

Alan



> On 2 Apr 2022, at 17:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Over lunch the other day Peter Neill pointed out that he couldn't view some videos sent in long ago by John Barlow.  You can see why here - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page157d.html
> 
> I used to use Flash a lot because you could do so much with it. Now it's banned for various reasons, and those pages don't work any more.  So I've rebuilt the page with Wordpress having gone back for the videos (.vob files) on the DVD that John sent me. So here it is again for 2022 - http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2022/04/from-john-barlow/ 
> 
> B
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From philiptyler at me.com  Sun Apr  3 05:17:04 2022
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 11:17:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statin side effects.
Message-ID: <DAF74C00-716A-4CC1-B3C3-C42F2594ED99@me.com>

?
It?s a bit long, sorry.

I seem to suffer bad side effects from statins, and just wondered if anyone else did. So I thought I?d drop a line to the old geezers club :))

I first started taking statins in 2019, then while on a birdwatching holiday to St. Lucia. I started suffering muscle weakness and a burning sensation in my legs. This would?ve been a month or so after first taking statins. It got quite bad, and worrying, as just a year earlier I was walking in rainforests on the side of mountains in Costa Rica with no problems!

At the time the information on the NHS website was to stop taking them. Which I did and over the course of several days the problems lessened and eventually went away.

Back in the UK and after a pause of a month of not taking any statins, this pause was suggested by my doctor. I then tried several different statins, they all produced the same problem. Eventually I was put on Rosuvastatin, primarily because I suggested it. Someone I knew had suffered the same as me, and Rosuvastatin seemed to be free of problems for them.

So I started taking Rosuvastatin and things seemed fine. Then in early 2020 I suffered a pinched or trapped nerve. It was quite bad with a dull ache in the small of my back most of the time. With terrible shooting pains down one of my legs that would nearly floor me.

At this point if I was having any reaction to the statins the symptoms wouldn?t be noticeable due to the difficulties I was already suffering.

I was still suffering problems from what I though was as a result of the trapped nerve in September 2020. Spool through to April 2021, when I got married, and my back and legs were still causing me discomfort. September 2021 and although better I was still suffering discomfort. Lower back pain, burning sensation in my calves and a feeling of weakness in my legs at times.

Fast forward to March 2022, and I was still suffering this pain, discomfort and weakness to some extent. We go away on holiday to Jordan. It was an active holiday and my legs, ankles and back soon started to complain. I was able to enjoy the holiday, just putting up with the problems.

Having got back from Jordan and lying in bed one morning, having just been up to ease the pain in my back and legs. My mind goes back to my time in St. Lucia. So that night I stop taking my statin. Over the next 7 days the burning sensation in my legs goes, the dull pain in the small of my back goes, I sleep through without having to get up to move around to try and ease the pain in my legs and back! My legs feel stronger, my ankles as well. I am even able to lift my wife up!

The current information on the NHS website is all about the ?nocebo? effect.

I can?t believe the problems I have been suffering are all ?in the mind.?

Anyone else have statin problems?

I will obviously be contacting my doctor, and maybe there may be another statin I can take. Or it may be I just take a statin once or twice a week, which is apparently still beneficial.

But there is no way I want to go back to the way I was feeling taking them every night.

Thanks in advance if you are able to offer any suggestions.

Philip & Bee

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Apr  3 05:48:11 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 11:48:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Grease
Message-ID: <62497b6c.1c69fb81.ff123.b8fd@mx.google.com>

I see that ?Grease? was transmitted last night on Ch4.
Certainly, Olivia Newton-John was a very pretty lass, but I saw a news item that the leather jacket and trousers worn for ?You?re the One That I Want? went at auction for $405K.
Don?t think she went with them, though!  
Another nugget of useless information, unless you are a competitor on a quiz show!

Pat

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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  3 06:02:20 2022
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 11:02:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] wanted: comedy memorabilia for museum.
References: <285076132.1699801.1648983740997.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <285076132.1699801.1648983740997@mail.yahoo.com>

? Hi all, I have been contacted by Andy Hollingworth, who is putting together an exhibition of TV memorabilia for the national entertainment museum (titled 'Showtime') in Blackpool.?I have donated a 1974 shooting script for an episode in the last series of Monty Python.I was wondering if anyone on here might have anything else they might like to loan? They are interested in scripts, tickets, personal photos, even film, anything from a production.Andy can be contacted through andyhollingworth at mac.com?The exhibition is not due to start until the spring of 2024.
? ?Thanks all.All the best,? ?Gary C
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 06:13:27 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:13:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] No more Flashiness
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On 02/04/2022 18:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Steve Jobs had become dubious about Flash, partly because it was a 
> closed system, 

Hmmmmm........



I've had several runs with Flash.? When I started the website, I wanted 
to add a bit of pizazz so I used Flash for the header menus, and then 
for videos, because they worked and other systems were rubbish.? It was 
fine for about ten years.....

Meanwhile in 2008 I wrote Flight Log System, a way of logging flying 
club flights which used a collection of webpages and a MySQL database. 
It's still in daily use, 14 years later, but it used a lot of Flash, 
horrible to write code for - Actionscript was spawn of the devil -? and 
now out of date.? By 2014 HTML5 was mature and i rewrote the system in 
HTML5 and PHP, and that's the way it has stayed.



More pertinent to this group, I spent 11 years doing part time work at 
Kingston University teaching how to make television.? We had a titler 
for lower thirds etc, but it only worked rather badly in 4:3. We went to 
IBC where we found out the price of Chyron, Aston, etc. Not a chance. 
Then I came across CasparCG - https://casparcg.com/? . It had been 
written by the Swedish equivalent of BBC Research Department to service 
their sports department, because they'd found out the same about prices 
as we had.?? It's a server for graphics, and you control it from a 
client application.? You need a BlackMagic Decklink to get the results 
on air, but you can play with it on a computer without that.? They used 
it eventually for the Eurovision Song Contest so it's not toytown. And 
it's totally free.

My son and I had been playing around with LiveCode, and I wondered if I 
could use the free version to write a CasparCG client. In the end I did, 
and we used it a lot on programme exercises.? You can briefly see it 
here - www.tech-ops.co.uk/kingston/TS6002 /final2.mp4? . Part of the 
deal of using free Livecode is that you have to publish for free all 
your source code, and it's here - www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/titler . Just 
run CasparCG.exe then Titler.exe.?? So if you know anyone who needs a 
free titler......

B






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From phider at gmx.com  Sun Apr  3 07:41:21 2022
From: phider at gmx.com (Mr P.J.Hider)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 13:41:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statin side effects.
Message-ID: <5i5d21wlwuwkhlh6a5fbc3mo.1648989681460@email.android.com>

Hi Phil
Seven or so years ago I was prescribed statins. Within a week I had the sensation of continuosly floating a few inches from the ground and I began to feel nauseous. I also began to suffer leg pains. After one change to a different variety of statin the symptoms persisted so I told my doctor I no longer wanted to take them. All the symptoms cleared up within a couple of weeks and I have had no recurrence. I can't actually remember why he prescribed them in the first place.
Best regards
Peter Hider




From philiptyler at me.com  Sun Apr  3 07:48:54 2022
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 13:48:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statin side effects.
In-Reply-To: <5i5d21wlwuwkhlh6a5fbc3mo.1648989681460@email.android.com>
References: <5i5d21wlwuwkhlh6a5fbc3mo.1648989681460@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <73C739B2-7D77-4910-AD0C-9288A14E1E61@me.com>

Thanks.

Philip and Bee

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/philthebirdbrain/popular-interesting/

> On 3 Apr 2022, at 13:42, Mr P.J.Hider <phider at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Phil
> Seven or so years ago I was prescribed statins. Within a week I had the sensation of continuosly floating a few inches from the ground and I began to feel nauseous. I also began to suffer leg pains. After one change to a different variety of statin the symptoms persisted so I told my doctor I no longer wanted to take them. All the symptoms cleared up within a couple of weeks and I have had no recurrence. I can't actually remember why he prescribed them in the first place.
> Best regards
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> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr  4 03:27:41 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 09:27:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Much Ado About Nothing
Message-ID: <624aabfc.1c69fb81.60e18.12da@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
Did anyone view the RSC production of ?Much Ado About Nothing? last night on BBC4?
I was impressed with the quality and clarity of the audio capture off the stage.
As far as I could see, there were no head-worn mics, and the costumes precluded the use of body-worn radio mics. Couldn?t see any footlights mics, which is what I used at the Globe theatre. I only surmise that there must have been slung mics overhead, a technique used by Brian Forgham when capturing ?Beyond The Fringe? from TVT, many years ago.
Mind you, a company like the RSC would have actors capable of, and trained to project, so no problem with mumbled dialogue!

Dunno whether the audio was handled by whichever OB/Facility company, or left to the in-house PA desk.

Pat

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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Mon Apr  4 04:14:00 2022
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 10:14:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Much Ado About Nothing
In-Reply-To: <624aabfc.1c69fb81.60e18.12da@mx.google.com>
References: <624aabfc.1c69fb81.60e18.12da@mx.google.com>
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Pat,
Productions like that have all used concealed 'head worn' mics for some
years. They're 'dressed' in the hair usually, and theatre costume
departments are very used to hiding them. Operas at Covent Garden do the
same and mix the time-delayed 'personals' with float mics.
DT

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 at 09:28, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Did anyone view the RSC production of ?Much Ado About Nothing? last night
> on BBC4?
>
> I was impressed with the quality and clarity of the audio capture off the
> stage.
>
> As far as I could see, there were no head-worn mics, and the costumes
> precluded the use of body-worn radio mics. Couldn?t see any footlights
> mics, which is what I used at the Globe theatre. I only surmise that there
> must have been slung mics overhead, a technique used by Brian Forgham when
> capturing ?Beyond The Fringe? from TVT, many years ago.
>
> Mind you, a company like the RSC would have actors capable of, and trained
> to project, so no problem with mumbled dialogue!
>
>
>
> Dunno whether the audio was handled by whichever OB/Facility company, or
> left to the in-house PA desk.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
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From colin at colinhassell.com  Mon Apr  4 04:20:52 2022
From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 10:20:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Much Ado About Nothing
In-Reply-To: <CAKrdDqs7vepqPJDkr0x1HyDqnX5QcvdgZ8xNinhvEFyHUdJrUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKrdDqs7vepqPJDkr0x1HyDqnX5QcvdgZ8xNinhvEFyHUdJrUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C47CCCA6-19C7-47C0-8D28-54E7132AAC80@colinhassell.com>

I see Alison Dale as one of the Radio Mic Operators credited.
Alison is a master at concealed mics for stage, and live TV, productions.

Colin Hassell
colin at colinhassell.com
St Albans
Herts
UK


> On 4 Apr 2022, at 10:14, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Pat,
> Productions like that have all used concealed 'head worn' mics for some years. They're 'dressed' in the hair usually, and theatre costume departments are very used to hiding them. Operas at Covent Garden do the same and mix the time-delayed 'personals' with float mics. 
> DT
> 
>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 at 09:28, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Did anyone view the RSC production of ?Much Ado About Nothing? last night on BBC4?
>> 
>> I was impressed with the quality and clarity of the audio capture off the stage.
>> 
>> As far as I could see, there were no head-worn mics, and the costumes precluded the use of body-worn radio mics. Couldn?t see any footlights mics, which is what I used at the Globe theatre. I only surmise that there must have been slung mics overhead, a technique used by Brian Forgham when capturing ?Beyond The Fringe? from TVT, many years ago.
>> 
>> Mind you, a company like the RSC would have actors capable of, and trained to project, so no problem with mumbled dialogue!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dunno whether the audio was handled by whichever OB/Facility company, or left to the in-house PA desk.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr  4 06:21:13 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 12:21:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
Message-ID: <624ad4a9.1c69fb81.f3f30.00b8@mx.google.com>

Coming up to 80, I feel entitled to a grouse every now and then!
The current one concerns the programming of Radio 4Extra.
It?s great to hear re-runs of old comedy programmes, but why does the scheduling run repeat every six or eight hours?
I listen throughout the night, but hear it all again during the day.
Suggests to me that there is not enough material in the archives.
No doubt the excuse would be that night workers would therefore miss the broadcast so aren?t we gracious in running again during daylight hours.
I reckon it?s a cheap way of filling the airtime.
This practice also extends into the multi channel TV broadcasting that we are blessed with today.
Repeat channels are good, but repeats of repeats are irritating. And why do different channels run different episodes of the same programmes.
Again, I think it?s cheap, shoddy, scheduling.
Get as much revenue from commercials. Perhaps?
Pat



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr  4 06:42:48 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 12:42:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Much Ado About Nothing
In-Reply-To: <C47CCCA6-19C7-47C0-8D28-54E7132AAC80@colinhassell.com>
References: <CAKrdDqs7vepqPJDkr0x1HyDqnX5QcvdgZ8xNinhvEFyHUdJrUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C47CCCA6-19C7-47C0-8D28-54E7132AAC80@colinhassell.com>
Message-ID: <624ad9b7.1c69fb81.8e885.6573@mx.google.com>

Thanks for your replies.
Although well retired, I?m cognisant with hiding mics in hairline or wigs.
I saw ?42nd Street? at the Theatre Royal ten times and they were using ear mounted cheek mics for the guys ? the girls had them hidden in the wigs, as were the TX. They were the Shure miniatures, and I think they were built into the wigs. These were used for the BluRay video release (re-mixed at Pinewood).
In my day, some 15 years ago, the smallest mic was the Cos11.
I believe that DPA is even tinier?

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Colin Hassell
Sent: 04 April 2022 10:21
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: patheigham
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Much Ado About Nothing

I see Alison Dale as one of the Radio Mic Operators credited.
Alison is a master at concealed mics for stage, and live TV, productions.
Colin Hassell
colin at colinhassell.com
St Albans
Herts
UK




On 4 Apr 2022, at 10:14, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
?
Pat,
Productions like that have all used concealed 'head worn' mics for some years. They're 'dressed' in the hair usually, and theatre costume departments are very used to hiding them. Operas at Covent Garden do the same and mix the time-delayed 'personals' with float mics.?
DT




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr  4 07:08:29 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 13:08:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Much Ado About Nothing
In-Reply-To: <624ad9b7.1c69fb81.8e885.6573@mx.google.com>
References: <CAKrdDqs7vepqPJDkr0x1HyDqnX5QcvdgZ8xNinhvEFyHUdJrUQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Reply to myself!

Stage radio mics only have a very short range necessary.
those of us who work in documentaries often try for audio at extreme range, as I well know!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: patheigham
Sent: 04 April 2022 12:42
To: Colin Hassell; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Much Ado About Nothing 

Thanks for your replies.
Although well retired, I?m cognisant with hiding mics in hairline or wigs.
I saw ?42nd Street? at the Theatre Royal ten times and they were using ear mounted cheek mics for the guys ? the girls had them hidden in the wigs, as were the TX. They were the Shure miniatures, and I think they were built into the wigs. These were used for the BluRay video release (re-mixed at Pinewood).
In my day, some 15 years ago, the smallest mic was the Cos11.
I believe that DPA is even tinier?

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Colin Hassell
Sent: 04 April 2022 10:21
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: patheigham
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Much Ado About Nothing

I see Alison Dale as one of the Radio Mic Operators credited.
Alison is a master at concealed mics for stage, and live TV, productions.
Colin Hassell
colin at colinhassell.com
St Albans
Herts
UK





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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Apr  4 08:30:05 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 13:30:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB19812EDEF2BEB909E377D4DAA7E59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?The answer is simple, Pat.
Turn off the radio at night - you don?t need it. Result: sleep better.
There, you see ?.. less grousy than me already!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:21, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Coming up to 80, I feel entitled to a grouse every now and then!
The current one concerns the programming of Radio 4Extra.
It?s great to hear re-runs of old comedy programmes, but why does the scheduling run repeat every six or eight hours?
I listen throughout the night, but hear it all again during the day.
Suggests to me that there is not enough material in the archives.
No doubt the excuse would be that night workers would therefore miss the broadcast so aren?t we gracious in running again during daylight hours.
I reckon it?s a cheap way of filling the airtime.
This practice also extends into the multi channel TV broadcasting that we are blessed with today.
Repeat channels are good, but repeats of repeats are irritating. And why do different channels run different episodes of the same programmes.
Again, I think it?s cheap, shoddy, scheduling.
Get as much revenue from commercials. Perhaps?
Pat



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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Apr  4 08:39:51 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 14:39:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB19812EDEF2BEB909E377D4DAA7E59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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My complaint about R4X is they have introduced a music based progs on 
the 00.30 slot. Soul Music. I want a speech based show like A Good Read 
to drift off to.

On 04/04/2022 14:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> ?The answer is simple, Pat.
> Turn off the radio at night - you don?t need it. Result: sleep better.
> There, you see ?.. less grousy than me already!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
>> On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:21, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Coming up to 80, I feel entitled to a grouse every now and then!
>>
>> The current one concerns the programming of Radio 4Extra.
>>
>> It?s great to hear re-runs of old comedy programmes, but why does the 
>> scheduling run repeat every six or eight hours?
>>
>> I listen throughout the night, but hear it all again during the day.
>>
>> Suggests to me that there is not enough material in the archives.
>>
>> No doubt the excuse would be that night workers would therefore miss 
>> the broadcast so aren?t we gracious in running again during daylight 
>> hours.
>>
>> I reckon it?s a cheap way of filling the airtime.
>>
>> This practice also extends into the multi channel TV broadcasting 
>> that we are blessed with today.
>>
>> Repeat channels are good, but repeats of repeats are irritating. And 
>> why do different channels run different episodes of the same programmes.
>>
>> Again, I think it?s cheap, shoddy, scheduling.
>>
>> Get as much revenue from commercials. Perhaps?
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr  4 09:33:50 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 15:33:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB19812EDEF2BEB909E377D4DAA7E59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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No, no
 I do need it!
I need the radio to send me to sleep, when the Bluetooth Sleepphones cut off, with battery fails, that?s when I wake up!
Pat


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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 04 April 2022 14:30
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422

?The answer is simple, Pat.? 
Turn off the radio at night - you don?t need it. Result: sleep better. 
There, you see ?.. less grousy than me already!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6


On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:21, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
Coming up to 80, I feel entitled to a grouse every now and then!
The current one concerns the programming of Radio 4Extra.
It?s great to hear re-runs of old comedy programmes, but why does the scheduling run repeat every six or eight hours?
I listen throughout the night, but hear it all again during the day.
Suggests to me that there is not enough material in the archives.
No doubt the excuse would be that night workers would therefore miss the broadcast so aren?t we gracious in running again during daylight hours.
I reckon it?s a cheap way of filling the airtime.
This practice also extends into the multi channel TV broadcasting that we are blessed with today.
Repeat channels are good, but repeats of repeats are irritating. And why do different channels run different episodes of the same programmes.
Again, I think it?s cheap, shoddy, scheduling.
Get as much revenue from commercials. Perhaps?
Pat
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr  4 10:14:26 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 16:14:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
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Agreed, a speech discourse is great to sleep off to.
I use Sleepphones which was marketed by Radio Times.
It?s like an Alice band  with  a Bluetooth receiver and a couple of very thin loudspeakers which are of great quality.
I used to listen with Sennheiser phones but not comfortable. The sleepphones allow resting on either side without changing earpieces.
bluetooth sleep headphones ultra thin

Yes, the cordless one is expensive, but works well for me.

Pat


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My complaint about R4X is they have introduced a music based progs on the 00.30 slot. Soul Music. I want a speech based show like A Good Read to drift off to.



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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Apr  4 10:22:55 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 16:22:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
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We like to have the radio on at bed time and use the sleep timer to turn it off after an hour or so, by which time we are usually fast asleep.  However I would never want a spoken word station at bed time as that keeps my mind active.  Most types of music do the trick unless it?s too strident or challenging. 

Fortunately our radio can be controlled by an app, so if one of us is not happy with the choice of music, reaching for our phone allows the radio to be quickly retuned without getting out bed. You need a light on to operate the proper remote control with it?s array of buttons, so an app on a phone is less likely to disturb the one who is sleeping.

When I used to cover a lot of boxing matches, it usually involved a long drive home 
starting at some time between midnight and 1am.  In order to keep me awake, spoken word radio was very effective. Another good choice used to be Mark Lamar?s programme ?God?s Jukebox? which was on after midnight for a couple of hours on Friday night / Saturday morning. He often played unfamiliar music which was entirely different to the soothing music played on most stations at night. Not always music which I would choose to hear again, but quite a few where I?ve subsequently looked it up on his playlist. The important aspect for me was that it was nearly always music which kept me alert. Many of the people emailing into the show were musicians travelling back from gigs and they often made interesting comments. I once met the producer of that show and he said that it came as something of a surprise to them to discover that so many people were driving around at that time of night.

Late at night, sometimes I choose radio stations to keep me awake, other times I choose them to send me to sleep. 

Alan



> On 4 Apr 2022, at 15:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> No, no
> I do need it!
> I need the radio to send me to sleep, when the Bluetooth Sleepphones cut off, with battery fails, that?s when I wake up!
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: 04 April 2022 14:30
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
>  
> ?The answer is simple, Pat. 
> Turn off the radio at night - you don?t need it. Result: sleep better.
> There, you see ?.. less grousy than me already!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
> 
> On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:21, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Coming up to 80, I feel entitled to a grouse every now and then!
> The current one concerns the programming of Radio 4Extra.
> It?s great to hear re-runs of old comedy programmes, but why does the scheduling run repeat every six or eight hours?
> I listen throughout the night, but hear it all again during the day.
> Suggests to me that there is not enough material in the archives.
> No doubt the excuse would be that night workers would therefore miss the broadcast so aren?t we gracious in running again during daylight hours.
> I reckon it?s a cheap way of filling the airtime.
> This practice also extends into the multi channel TV broadcasting that we are blessed with today.
> Repeat channels are good, but repeats of repeats are irritating. And why do different channels run different episodes of the same programmes.
> Again, I think it?s cheap, shoddy, scheduling.
> Get as much revenue from commercials. Perhaps?
> Pat
>  
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Apr  4 10:29:17 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 16:29:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
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I'm old school. Have a pair of Chartwell LS 3/5a made from kits I got 
while at the BBC - early 70s.? On brackets fixed to the ceiling at the 
end of the bed. TV between them. Amp is a home built Linsey-Hood.? 
Quality BlueTooth can only dream about.?

On 04/04/2022 16:14, patheigham wrote:
>
> Agreed, a speech discourse is great to sleep off to.
>
> I use Sleepphones which was marketed by Radio Times.
>
> It?s like an Alice band ?with? a Bluetooth receiver and a couple of 
> very thin loudspeakers which are of great quality.
>
> I used to listen with Sennheiser phones but not comfortable. The 
> sleepphones allow resting on either side without changing earpieces.
>
> bluetooth sleep headphones ultra thin
>
> Yes, the cordless one is expensive, but works well for me.
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *04 April 2022 14:40
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
>
> My complaint about R4X is they have introduced a music based progs on 
> the 00.30 slot. Soul Music. I want a speech based show like A Good 
> Read to drift off to.
>
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Apr  4 10:42:39 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 16:42:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
In-Reply-To: <3F823F4D-EE86-4A20-BF9E-331504DB5541@me.com>
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?

Mike G

> On 4 Apr 2022, at 16:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We like to have the radio on at bed time and use the sleep timer to turn it off after an hour or so, by which time we are usually fast asleep.  However I would never want a spoken word station at bed time as that keeps my mind active.  Most types of music do the trick unless it?s too strident or challenging. 
> 
> Fortunately our radio can be controlled by an app, so if one of us is not happy with the choice of music, reaching for our phone allows the radio to be quickly retuned without getting out bed. You need a light on to operate the proper remote control with it?s array of buttons, so an app on a phone is less likely to disturb the one who is sleeping.
> 
> When I used to cover a lot of boxing matches, it usually involved a long drive home 
> starting at some time between midnight and 1am.  In order to keep me awake, spoken word radio was very effective. Another good choice used to be Mark Lamar?s programme ?God?s Jukebox? which was on after midnight for a couple of hours on Friday night / Saturday morning. He often played unfamiliar music which was entirely different to the soothing music played on most stations at night. Not always music which I would choose to hear again, but quite a few where I?ve subsequently looked it up on his playlist. The important aspect for me was that it was nearly always music which kept me alert. Many of the people emailing into the show were musicians travelling back from gigs and they often made interesting comments. I once met the producer of that show and he said that it came as something of a surprise to them to discover that so many people were driving around at that time of night.
> 
> Late at night, sometimes I choose radio stations to keep me awake, other times I choose them to send me to sleep. 
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Apr 2022, at 15:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> No, no
>> I do need it!
>> I need the radio to send me to sleep, when the Bluetooth Sleepphones cut off, with battery fails, that?s when I wake up!
>> Pat
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>  
>> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: 04 April 2022 14:30
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pat's grouse 040422
>>  
>> ?The answer is simple, Pat.  
>> Turn off the radio at night - you don?t need it. Result: sleep better. 
>> There, you see ?.. less grousy than me already!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>> 
>> 
>> On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:21, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? 
>> Coming up to 80, I feel entitled to a grouse every now and then!
>> The current one concerns the programming of Radio 4Extra.
>> It?s great to hear re-runs of old comedy programmes, but why does the scheduling run repeat every six or eight hours?
>> I listen throughout the night, but hear it all again during the day.
>> Suggests to me that there is not enough material in the archives.
>> No doubt the excuse would be that night workers would therefore miss the broadcast so aren?t we gracious in running again during daylight hours.
>> I reckon it?s a cheap way of filling the airtime.
>> This practice also extends into the multi channel TV broadcasting that we are blessed with today.
>> Repeat channels are good, but repeats of repeats are irritating. And why do different channels run different episodes of the same programmes.
>> Again, I think it?s cheap, shoddy, scheduling.
>> Get as much revenue from commercials. Perhaps?
>> Pat
>>  
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  4 12:05:15 2022
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 17:05:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Podcasts?
References: <292325196.2468912.1649091915361.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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....I'm just getting into podcasts to listen to podcasts.?Would anyone have any recommendations??I'm into comedy and historical things.?
? All the best,? ? ?Gary?
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 12:18:19 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 18:18:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Podcasts?
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A couple that spring to mind are:

The Goon Show Podcast
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/goon-pod/id1569929507

The Goodies Podcast
https://goodiespodcast.libsyn.com/



From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 6:05 PM
To: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] Podcasts?

....I'm just getting into podcasts to listen to podcasts.
Would anyone have any recommendations?
I'm into comedy and historical things. 

  All the best,     Gary 


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Apr  4 12:50:20 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 18:50:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sleeping problems
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This is very common with people looking at mobiles etc. in bed, the 
'blue' light stimulates the brain. An article in my daily paper last 
year provided a natural solution to the problem! Forget sleeping pills 
etc. A colleague of mine who had developed prostrate cancer was told by 
his consultant that the best way to avoid prostrate cancer was to keep 
the prostrate working! The same goes for inability to sleep, according 
to a doctor in the paper, the answer lies in your own hand, guys! Know 
what I mean? If you share a bed and are embarrased then pick a suitable 
moment, it can save your life and let you get to sleep as well! Cheers, 
Dave

On 04/04/2022 14:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> ?The answer is simple, Pat.
> Turn off the radio at night - you don?t need it. Result: sleep better.
> There, you see ?.. less grousy than me already!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
>> On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:21, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Coming up to 80, I feel entitled to a grouse every now and then!
>>
>> The current one concerns the programming of Radio 4Extra.
>>
>> It?s great to hear re-runs of old comedy programmes, but why does the 
>> scheduling run repeat every six or eight hours?
>>
>> I listen throughout the night, but hear it all again during the day.
>>
>> Suggests to me that there is not enough material in the archives.
>>
>> No doubt the excuse would be that night workers would therefore miss 
>> the broadcast so aren?t we gracious in running again during daylight 
>> hours.
>>
>> I reckon it?s a cheap way of filling the airtime.
>>
>> This practice also extends into the multi channel TV broadcasting 
>> that we are blessed with today.
>>
>> Repeat channels are good, but repeats of repeats are irritating. And 
>> why do different channels run different episodes of the same programmes.
>>
>> Again, I think it?s cheap, shoddy, scheduling.
>>
>> Get as much revenue from commercials. Perhaps?
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
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From david.plaice at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  4 14:24:31 2022
From: david.plaice at googlemail.com (David Plaice)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 20:24:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Podcasts?
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Hi Gary,

If you're open to some weird dramatic takes on history you could try
PlacePrints by David Rudkin:
https://www.newperspectives.co.uk/?idno=1168&s=82

One of the best is Episode 9: HERE WE STAY
Cast: Charlotte Cornwell, Ray Castleton, Hayley Doherty, Jack Wilkinson and
Anthony Wise, Angharad Davis (violin)
"Hear the voice of the plague, as it offers a guided tour of its spread
through the village Eyam in 1665, before the villagers quarantined
themselves to prevent it from spreading."

Dave


On Mon, 4 Apr 2022, 18:02 Gary Critcher via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> ....I'm just getting into podcasts to listen to podcasts.
>  Would anyone have any recommendations?
>  I'm into comedy and historical things.
>
>   All the best,     Gary
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Apr  6 16:17:18 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 22:17:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Movie
Message-ID: <a3423e77-9bce-1726-4e6e-94d79f568563@btinternet.com>

I'm just watching the opening credits of a Swedish film starring Peter 
Bonke, Gaby Fuchs, and Kristopher Kum with camera assistant Hanno Fuchs. 
I wonder what sort of film it might be? Cheers, (cough, cough) Dave



From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 17:03:41 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:03:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Movie
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Message-ID: <B2F4051B885749DDA1706BAE43AABDC4@0023242e4e14>

Is the casting director Mary Fukutu?

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 10:17 PM 
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Dave 
Subject: [Tech1] Movie 

I'm just watching the opening credits of a Swedish film starring Peter 
Bonke, Gaby Fuchs, and Kristopher Kum with camera assistant Hanno Fuchs. 
I wonder what sort of film it might be? Cheers, (cough, cough) Dave


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Apr  6 17:19:50 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:19:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Movie
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Nice thought Dave, who knows in these liberated days ? I must admit that 
the move itself was very disappointing being very 'soft' throughout!? 
Cheers, Dave

On 06/04/2022 23:03, David Brunt wrote:
> Is the casting director Mary Fukutu?
>
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, 
> April 06, 2022 10:17 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Dave 
> Subject: [Tech1] Movie
> I'm just watching the opening credits of a Swedish film starring Peter 
> Bonke, Gaby Fuchs, and Kristopher Kum with camera assistant Hanno 
> Fuchs. I wonder what sort of film it might be? Cheers, (cough, cough) 
> Dave
>
>


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Apr  7 04:02:13 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 10:02:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Movie
In-Reply-To: <769fed19-378a-df4b-d254-d4044d2d7bda@btinternet.com>
References: <769fed19-378a-df4b-d254-d4044d2d7bda@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <495921A1-687A-4F58-8ED4-7F3E36EFC819@icloud.com>

I am told the sauna scenes are a bit steamy.

Graeme Wall

> On 6 Apr 2022, at 23:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Nice thought Dave, who knows in these liberated days ? I must admit that the move itself was very disappointing being very 'soft' throughout!  Cheers, Dave
> 
>> On 06/04/2022 23:03, David Brunt wrote:
>> Is the casting director Mary Fukutu?
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 10:17 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Dave Subject: [Tech1] Movie
>> I'm just watching the opening credits of a Swedish film starring Peter Bonke, Gaby Fuchs, and Kristopher Kum with camera assistant Hanno Fuchs. I wonder what sort of film it might be? Cheers, (cough, cough) Dave
>> 
>> 
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From david.plaice at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  7 15:38:46 2022
From: david.plaice at googlemail.com (David Plaice)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 21:38:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dodgy Email - Note from Bernard Newnham
Message-ID: <CANssj37QGS=76NsyY-UL42VyjRWX4+hi7oh-B1typv_P8-n-JA@mail.gmail.com>

I've just received an email from a "Bernard Newnham" using a Japanese email
address trying to get me to click a dodgy looking link.

It didn't reference Tech Ops but I'd keep an eye out for it.

Dave
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 16:52:24 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 22:52:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dodgy Email - Note from Bernard Newnham
In-Reply-To: <CANssj37QGS=76NsyY-UL42VyjRWX4+hi7oh-B1typv_P8-n-JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANssj37QGS=76NsyY-UL42VyjRWX4+hi7oh-B1typv_P8-n-JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0664ca5b-c309-23b6-67f2-b9673be861b7@ntlworld.com>

Not me

B



On 07/04/2022 21:38, David Plaice via Tech1 wrote:
> I've just received an email from a "Bernard Newnham" using a Japanese 
> email address trying to get me to click a dodgy looking link.
>
> It didn't reference Tech Ops but I'd keep an eye out for it.
>
> Dave
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Fri Apr  8 05:02:23 2022
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 11:02:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kaspersky Anti Virus
Message-ID: <000201d84b2f$be6a8e30$3b3faa90$@soundsuper.co.uk>

There has been some concerns from those that use the Russian Anti-Virus
software. 

Which? Have published an article - https://tinyurl.com/4rs826mx

 

Rob

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 05:22:00 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 11:22:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kaspersky Anti Virus
In-Reply-To: <000201d84b2f$be6a8e30$3b3faa90$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <000201d84b2f$be6a8e30$3b3faa90$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <37a9c80b-68d0-c595-9e94-081380536db3@gmail.com>

I haven't used an anti virus for some years, since I ditched Avast. I 
have Windows Defender and periodic runs of Malwarebytes Antimalware and 
CCleaner.? It's a long time since I saw an actual virus and malware 
seems to be voluntary these days, when you click on something you shouldn't.

B



On 08/04/2022 11:02, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote:
>
> There has been some concerns from those that use the Russian 
> Anti-Virus software.
>
> Which? Have published an article - https://tinyurl.com/4rs826mx
>
> Rob
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Apr  8 07:35:53 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:35:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kaspersky Anti Virus
In-Reply-To: <37a9c80b-68d0-c595-9e94-081380536db3@gmail.com>
References: <000201d84b2f$be6a8e30$3b3faa90$@soundsuper.co.uk>
	<37a9c80b-68d0-c595-9e94-081380536db3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62502c29.1c69fb81.ec79d.8a1e@mx.google.com>

I use Malwarebytes and CCleaner, also Avast as they gave me a good deal on their Ultimate ?bundle?, as I wanted to cancel Premium Security.
I now have the Ultimate bundle for two years for the price of one.
I get:
Avast Premium Security?
Avast Cleanup Premium?
Avast Secureline is a VPN?service
Avast Antitrack

And I?m happy.
Interested to know why you ditched Avast, Bernie?

Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 08 April 2022 11:43
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Kaspersky Anti Virus

I haven't used an anti virus for some years, since I ditched Avast. I have Windows Defender and periodic runs of Malwarebytes Antimalware and CCleaner.? It's a long time since I saw an actual virus and malware seems to be voluntary these days, when you click on something you shouldn't.

B


On 08/04/2022 11:02, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote:
There has been some concerns from those that use the Russian Anti-Virus software. 
Which? Have published an article - https://tinyurl.com/4rs826mx
?
Rob






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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 08:48:29 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 14:48:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kaspersky Anti Virus
In-Reply-To: <62502c29.1c69fb81.ec79d.8a1e@mx.google.com>
References: <000201d84b2f$be6a8e30$3b3faa90$@soundsuper.co.uk>
	<37a9c80b-68d0-c595-9e94-081380536db3@gmail.com>
	<62502c29.1c69fb81.ec79d.8a1e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <54b96da1-4390-6b66-f183-1f1911220ceb@gmail.com>



On 08/04/2022 13:35, patheigham wrote:
>
> Interested to know why you ditched Avast, Bernie?
>

I didn't think I needed it any more, so i tried without it, some years 
ago.? I've had no problems.

B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 09:23:59 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 15:23:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Cabin Briefing
Message-ID: <698065a7-3e25-d186-381e-f8061635e0f5@gmail.com>

I thought this might make you laugh too.? I assume the Manchester he 
refers to is the one in New Hampshire

http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/briefing.mp4

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Fri Apr  8 09:47:53 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2022 15:47:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kaspersky Anti Virus
Message-ID: <edkjgpjjjksgxbipmonon8lc.1649429273130@email.android.com>

I agree with Bernie. I stopped using Avast because it kept interupting me with pop-ups. I rely on Windows anti-virus, and have had no problems.

Doug


On 8 April 2022, at 14:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



On 08/04/2022 13:35, patheigham wrote:

Interested to know why you ditched Avast, Bernie?


I didn't think I needed it any more, so i tried without it, some years ago.? I've had no problems.

B

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri Apr  8 16:03:04 2022
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 22:03:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
Message-ID: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>

Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?

It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong 
resonance

around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?

(Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, Hitachi 
FET power Amps)


Best Wishes,

John H.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 17:07:39 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 23:07:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <99fda30c-9d3b-b15a-c60f-8245d151e552@gmail.com>

Yes, very strange.

B



On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>
> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A 
> strong resonance
>
> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>
> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, Hitachi 
> FET power Amps)
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> John H.
>
> (Hibou)
>
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Apr  9 02:58:58 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 08:58:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <99fda30c-9d3b-b15a-c60f-8245d151e552@gmail.com>
References: <99fda30c-9d3b-b15a-c60f-8245d151e552@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6351E96F-FAB5-4899-B891-BC18676CD33E@mac.com>

I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters. 

I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly. 

Mike G



> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Yes, very strange.
> 
> B
> 
>  
> 
> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>> 
>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>> 
>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>> 
>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> John H.
>> 
>> (Hibou)
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Apr  9 03:24:49 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 09:24:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <625142d0.1c69fb81.70bd3.ea37@mx.google.com>

I wasn?t aware of a sound quality issue (Digital terrestrial aerial into Samsung TV, then a small Bose Soundlink speaker). I was more bothered by the lag on the sub-titles. This often clashed with ones that are put up at the host?s utterances. Presumably the programme is not live, as it surely must be edited down from a longer capture, otherwise how does the extended version get created? I?ve no idea how the titles are put in, a stenographer lady with fast fingers? If there is an edit stage, then why not insert the subtitles a bit more accurately.
No transmission care seems to be taken with matching sound levels between different programmes, and also colour balancing ? ?Catchphrase? last night had a severe red imbalance. Do programmes these days still have zero level tone and colour bars?
Whatever happened to presentation standards? (Oh! Don?t worry, the punters will never notice!).

Bah!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: John Howell via Tech1
Sent: 08 April 2022 22:03
To: TechOps Forum
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY

Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
(Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)

Best Wishes,
John H.
(Hibou)



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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Apr  9 04:08:31 2022
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 10:08:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <625142d0.1c69fb81.70bd3.ea37@mx.google.com>
References: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
	<625142d0.1c69fb81.70bd3.ea37@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E2E28B25-A108-4E9E-96FC-24053F1F63C6@btinternet.com>

Hi Pat,
	Subtitles?! Is this why you weren?t aware of the sound quality!
Barry.



On 9 Apr 2022, at 09:24, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I wasn?t aware of a sound quality issue (Digital terrestrial aerial into Samsung TV, then a small Bose Soundlink speaker). I was more bothered by the lag on the sub-titles. This often clashed with ones that are put up at the host?s utterances. Presumably the programme is not live, as it surely must be edited down from a longer capture, otherwise how does the extended version get created? I?ve no idea how the titles are put in, a stenographer lady with fast fingers? If there is an edit stage, then why not insert the subtitles a bit more accurately.
> No transmission care seems to be taken with matching sound levels between different programmes, and also colour balancing ? ?Catchphrase? last night had a severe red imbalance. Do programmes these days still have zero level tone and colour bars?
> Whatever happened to presentation standards? (Oh! Don?t worry, the punters will never notice!).
>  
> Bah!
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: John Howell via Tech1
> Sent: 08 April 2022 22:03
> To: TechOps Forum
> Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
>  
> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
> 
> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
> 
> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
> 
> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
> 
>  
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> John H.
> 
> (Hibou)
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 	
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> www.avast.com
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Apr  9 04:20:38 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 10:20:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <6351E96F-FAB5-4899-B891-BC18676CD33E@mac.com>
References: <99fda30c-9d3b-b15a-c60f-8245d151e552@gmail.com>
	<6351E96F-FAB5-4899-B891-BC18676CD33E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <d68e45f7-3013-e72e-ce52-87d292ef5c94@davesound.co.uk>

I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck 
out as being unusual.



On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up 
> on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint 
> I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - 
> at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often 
> unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at 
> slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of 
> course, we?re too loud at close quarters.
>
> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.
>
> Mike G
>
>
>
>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>
>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A 
>>> strong resonance
>>>
>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>
>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, 
>>> Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> John H.
>>>
>>> (Hibou)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Apr  9 04:21:01 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 10:21:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <E2E28B25-A108-4E9E-96FC-24053F1F63C6@btinternet.com>
References: <E2E28B25-A108-4E9E-96FC-24053F1F63C6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <D73E8B2F-46F2-4FEF-9645-D39B66537B07@me.com>

I once exchanged a bit of banter with another sound supervisor in the TVC bar.  He mentioned that his show was the first BBC show to be transmitted with sub-titles.  I pointed out that a series I had recently finished ( studio work by none other than Mr Bonner ), was the first BBC drama series to be released on HiFi VHS format.

Alan



> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:10, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Pat,
> 	Subtitles?! Is this why you weren?t aware of the sound quality!
> Barry.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 09:24, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn?t aware of a sound quality issue (Digital terrestrial aerial into Samsung TV, then a small Bose Soundlink speaker). I was more bothered by the lag on the sub-titles. This often clashed with ones that are put up at the host?s utterances. Presumably the programme is not live, as it surely must be edited down from a longer capture, otherwise how does the extended version get created? I?ve no idea how the titles are put in, a stenographer lady with fast fingers? If there is an edit stage, then why not insert the subtitles a bit more accurately.
>> No transmission care seems to be taken with matching sound levels between different programmes, and also colour balancing ? ?Catchphrase? last night had a severe red imbalance. Do programmes these days still have zero level tone and colour bars?
>> Whatever happened to presentation standards? (Oh! Don?t worry, the punters will never notice!).
>>  
>> Bah!
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>  
>> From: John Howell via Tech1
>> Sent: 08 April 2022 22:03
>> To: TechOps Forum
>> Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
>>  
>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>> 
>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>> 
>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>> 
>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> John H.
>> 
>> (Hibou)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 	
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
>> www.avast.com
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Apr  9 04:23:59 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 10:23:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <E2E28B25-A108-4E9E-96FC-24053F1F63C6@btinternet.com>
References: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
	<625142d0.1c69fb81.70bd3.ea37@mx.google.com>
	<E2E28B25-A108-4E9E-96FC-24053F1F63C6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <625150ae.1c69fb81.a97e9.c591@mx.google.com>

Erm! Possibly!

Had to undergo several health checks in the last couple of weeks.

Got some bad news from my GP yesterday.....

....I have to cut down on the wine imbibing!

The NHS is looking after me very well, otherwise.

Pat
(all the Production Mixers I worked with, now have hearing aids.
Friends tell me to get one, too. Should there be a health warning about monitoring on headphones?)
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Barry Bonner
Sent: 09 April 2022 10:08
To: patheigham
Cc: John Howell; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY

Hi Pat,
	Subtitles?! Is this why you weren?t aware of the sound quality!
Barry.


On 9 Apr 2022, at 09:24, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


I wasn?t aware of a sound quality issue (Digital terrestrial aerial into Samsung TV, then a small Bose Soundlink speaker). I was more bothered by the lag on the sub-titles. This often clashed with ones that are put up at the host?s utterances. Presumably the programme is not live, as it surely must be edited down from a longer capture, otherwise how does the extended version get created? I?ve no idea how the titles are put in, a stenographer lady with fast fingers? If there is an edit stage, then why not insert the subtitles a bit more accurately.
No transmission care seems to be taken with matching sound levels between different programmes, and also colour balancing ? ?Catchphrase? last night had a severe red imbalance. Do programmes these days still have zero level tone and colour bars?
Whatever happened to presentation standards? (Oh! Don?t worry, the punters will never notice!).
?
Bah!
Pat
?
Sent from?Mail?for Windows
?
From:?John Howell via Tech1
Sent:?08 April 2022 22:03
To:?TechOps Forum
Subject:?[Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
?
Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
(Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
?
Best Wishes,
John H.
(Hibou)
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Apr  9 04:28:34 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 10:28:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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Pretty? well all recordings are digital. So should transfer into the 
server with no need for a line up check. That is the theory, and saves 
the cost of using a competent engineer for the process, I'd guess.

What I've never understood is how catchup progs are often a different 
audio level than 'live'

On 09/04/2022 09:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I wasn?t aware of a sound quality issue (Digital terrestrial aerial 
> into Samsung TV, then a small Bose Soundlink speaker). I was more 
> bothered by the lag on the sub-titles. This often clashed with ones 
> that are put up at the host?s utterances. Presumably the programme is 
> not live, as it surely must be edited down from a longer capture, 
> otherwise how does the extended version get created? I?ve no idea how 
> the titles are put in, a stenographer lady with fast fingers? If there 
> is an edit stage, then why not insert the subtitles a bit more accurately.
>
> No transmission care seems to be taken with matching sound levels 
> between different programmes, and also colour balancing ? 
> ?Catchphrase? last night had a severe red imbalance. Do programmes 
> these days still have zero level tone and colour bars?
>
> Whatever happened to presentation standards? (Oh! Don?t worry, the 
> punters will never notice!).
>
> Bah!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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>
> *From: *John Howell via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *08 April 2022 22:03
> *To: *TechOps Forum <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
>
> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>
> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A 
> strong resonance
>
> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>
> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, Hitachi 
> FET power Amps)
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> John H.
>
> (Hibou)
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Apr  9 04:43:50 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 10:43:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Transmission quality
Message-ID: <62515555.1c69fb81.367fd.9a75@mx.google.com>

The recent comments about sound quality, reminds me that in the ?good ole days? of TVC, we used to spell a session in Quality Control, which had a matrix switchboard, where one could sample the signal at various stages in the broadcast chain, right through from studio o/p to TVC o/p to BH switching centre, to transmitter i/p and if a live prog ? off-air.
We CARED! 

Wonder if there will be television in Heaven?
Well, it wouldn?t be terrestrial!
Maybe Angels? haloes act as an inductive aerial. Is there a Ronnie Barker sketch in there?

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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sat Apr  9 06:11:41 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 12:11:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <d68e45f7-3013-e72e-ce52-87d292ef5c94@davesound.co.uk>
References: <d68e45f7-3013-e72e-ce52-87d292ef5c94@davesound.co.uk>
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Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers. 

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.



On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters. 
> 
> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Yes, very strange.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>> 
>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>>> 
>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>> 
>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> John H.
>>> 
>>> (Hibou)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From simoncmorris at mac.com  Sat Apr  9 07:03:06 2022
From: simoncmorris at mac.com (Simon Morris)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 13:03:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <CC25A07E-639B-4D7B-8A37-DC3176F1B32A@zero51.force9.co.uk>
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Hi Peter

I use a Freeview usb tuner 

like this   https://www.amazon.co.uk/August-Freeview-Tuner-Stick-DVB-T202/dp/B00527OCT6/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=freeview+dongle&qid=1649505374&sr=8-6 <https://www.amazon.co.uk/August-Freeview-Tuner-Stick-DVB-T202/dp/B00527OCT6/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=freeview+dongle&qid=1649505374&sr=8-6>

plugged into a Raspberry Pi running TVHeadend

https://tvheadend.org/

Then another Pi with a D to A convertor, pick one with the quality you want

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Sound-Blaster-Resolution-External/dp/B073KTPNDR/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=usb+dac&qid=1649505574&sr=8-3 <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Sound-Blaster-Resolution-External/dp/B073KTPNDR/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=usb+dac&qid=1649505574&sr=8-3>

You can remote control it all from a phone or computer.
Might be over kill for you but has advantages that you can record or pause shows.

If you are interested I?ll send more info.


Cheers

Simon

> On 9 Apr 2022, at 12:11, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers. 
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters. 
>> 
>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly. 
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>> 
>>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>>>> 
>>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>> 
>>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> John H.
>>>> 
>>>> (Hibou)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Apr  9 07:14:58 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 13:14:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <CC25A07E-639B-4D7B-8A37-DC3176F1B32A@zero51.force9.co.uk>
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I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a 
mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all 
FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. 
Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels 
favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the 
tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could also use the remote 
and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.

And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not 
many have that these days.

On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar 
> that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could 
> tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are 
> not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and 
> alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking 
> for is a display that shows the channel numbers.
>
> Peter Fox
>
> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck 
> out as being unusual.
>
>
>
> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up 
>> on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint 
>> I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - 
>> at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often 
>> unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at 
>> slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of 
>> course, we?re too loud at close quarters.
>>
>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.
>>
>> Mike G
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>>
>>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A 
>>>> strong resonance
>>>>
>>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>>
>>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, 
>>>> Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>
>>>> John H.
>>>>
>>>> (Hibou)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Apr  9 07:45:28 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 12:45:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <CC25A07E-639B-4D7B-8A37-DC3176F1B32A@zero51.force9.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <PAXP191MB19814C852774B21BBF60BE0BA7E89@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

This doesn?t quite answer Pete?s question, but for anyone still on FM radio, I highly recommend the following, both on Amazon Prime:
Search: ?  iView HD Freeview box ? @ ?32.99
And: ? HDMI Audio Extractor, eSync Professional 4k/30Hz? (etc). Just search that - plus loads of others to choose from too. This one is ?16.95 on Prime.

The receiver displays only channel numbers, but once you know the ones you want that?s not a problem. Or connected to a TV display or monitor, you get the station info there, then no monitor/TV needed thereafter.
Or, of course you can get audio out from the Scart connector, and then don?t need the extractor.
Better quality than old fashioned analogue FM, and interference free.

Also: Have you discovered Radio Garden? Just put that in your Google search bar and give it a try!
Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 9 Apr 2022, at 12:12, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers.

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.


On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters.

I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.

Mike G



On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Yes, very strange.

B



On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:

Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?

It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance

around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?

(Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)


Best Wishes,

John H.

(Hibou)



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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sat Apr  9 16:20:23 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:20:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <84c704d5-9eae-a86e-c15c-62137df1d966@davesound.co.uk>
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Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick (or similar)  and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but they are both messy.  Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using Freeview for radio. 
My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel numbers!!
Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very treacly  I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is mirrored on the TV.  But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is  nondescript and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too 
It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM or whatever but  it has to be up to standard for serious listening. That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s struggling.
 I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

?
I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV You could also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.

And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not many have that these days.

On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers. 
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters. 
>> 
>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly. 
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>> 
>>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>>>> 
>>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>> 
>>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> John H.
>>>> 
>>>> (Hibou)
>>>> 
>>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Apr  9 18:26:19 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 23:26:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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Glad you still like the SA1?s, Pete, but how about a pair of active Mackie HR824?s? Mine are Mk1?s, which for some reason that I can?t put my finger on, I prefer to the Mk2. Good thing is, they go into auto standby and never need actually turning on or off, and they would replace the 303. Splendid LF response, but even so, for the bottom octave I use them with a carefully set up Genelec 7050cpm sub. (Which also has standby mode).
By the way, did you mean Quad 34? With the well documented upgrades to the 34, it?s massively better than the 33, which even Quad would agree was their least good ever product! The 303 was Quad?s first transistor power amp, and suffered quite bad crossover distortion.
I did suggest a Freeview tuner option in an earlier post.
I daresay all of this is completely not what you want either, but, hey-ho!
Oh, and we watched that HIGNFY on the kitchen telly (small Genelecs) and didn?t notice any problem with the sound. Drowned out by the crunching of deliciously crispy roast potatoes, fan-oven, dishwasher, etc., I daresay! And how is it possible for a kettle to be so noisy, I often ask?
Cheers and best wishes,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 9 Apr 2022, at 22:21, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick (or similar)  and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but they are both messy.  Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using Freeview for radio.
My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel numbers!!
Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very treacly.  I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is mirrored on the TV  But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is  nondescript and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too.
It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM or whatever but  it has to be up to standard for serious listening. That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s struggling.
 I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

?

I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.

And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not many have that these days.

On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers.

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.


On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters

I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.

Mike
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sun Apr 10 02:02:29 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 08:02:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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I recognise that Sony tuner and owned one in early freeview days.  I gave it to my son but it bricked within a year or two, an ebay replacement was dead on arrival too, so we lost faith somewhat. I suppose any that have survived until now, 20 years or so, are probably well proof tested. The ebay examples at ?13 to ?24 are cheap enough to risk!  Were they not around ?100 in their day? I think those preset buttons on the remote would help a lot. Thanks.
 In a quick search I found an article on AVforums that hints at resetting procedures that might have saved our original one.

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 23:35, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

?
The Sony tuners were very popular in their day and long lived. Plenty on Ebay for pennies - so worth a punt if you think it might do what you want.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403587351200?hash=item5df7ae42a0:g:8o4AAOSw31JiTX~A

On 09/04/2022 22:20, Peter Fox wrote:
> Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick (or similar)  and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but they are both messy.  Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using Freeview for radio. 
> My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel numbers!!
> Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very treacly.  I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is mirrored on the TV  But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is  nondescript and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too. 
> It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM or whatever but  it has to be up to standard for serious listening. That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s struggling.
>  I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.
> 
> And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not many have that these days.
> 
> On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
>> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers. 
>> 
>> Peter Fox
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters 
>>> 
>>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly. 
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>>>>> 
>>>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> John H.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Hibou)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Apr 10 04:54:44 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 10:54:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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I have four of them in use. Ages ago I decided to have a built in sound 
system en every room I wanted one. And hated to problems with portable 
radios at that time - as FM reception was poor in this part of London. 
It's far better now. Then, having centrally located tuners and running 
audio circuits to each room made sense. Long before the days of Wi-Fi. 
But since it all works perfectly well felt no need to change it. And a 
real plus, zero latency between rooms.

One has failed, but turned out to be the power supply IC - cheap and 
easy to fix. Being me, I bought a few ICs at the same time.

Do note early ones have slightly different software and don't have the 
favourites feature. Which is fairly essential to be able to toggle 
through wanted channels using the front panel buttons.

Because they are so cheap (especially without remote) I've bought a 
couple of spares from Ebay.

On 10/04/2022 08:02, Peter Fox wrote:
> I recognise that Sony tuner and owned one in early freeview days. ?I 
> gave it to my son but it bricked within a year or two, an ebay 
> replacement was dead on arrival too, so we lost faith somewhat. I 
> suppose any that have survived until now, 20 years or so, are probably 
> well proof tested. The ebay examples at ?13 to ?24 are cheap enough to 
> risk! ?Were they not around ?100 in their day? I think those preset 
> buttons on the remote would help a lot. Thanks.
> ?In a quick search I found an article on AVforums that hints at 
> resetting procedures that might have saved our original one.
>
> Peter Fox
>
> On 9 Apr 2022, at 23:35, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> The Sony tuners were very popular in their day and long lived. Plenty 
> on Ebay for pennies - so worth a punt if you think it might do what 
> you want.
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403587351200?hash=item5df7ae42a0:g:8o4AAOSw31JiTX~A
>
> On 09/04/2022 22:20, Peter Fox wrote:
>> Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, 
>> but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they 
>> are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick 
>> (or similar) ?and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but 
>> they are both messy. ?Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in 
>> mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using 
>> Freeview for radio.
>> My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv 
>> sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better 
>> bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt 
>> Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor 
>> SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I 
>> get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate 
>> bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume 
>> on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel 
>> numbers!!
>> Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted 
>> up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very 
>> treacly. ?I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after 
>> Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was 
>> ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is 
>> mirrored on the TV ?But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up 
>> on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various 
>> family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I 
>> have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was 
>> one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it 
>> sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is ?nondescript and not linked to 
>> the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the 
>> youngsters? PS4s too.
>> It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM 
>> or whatever but ?it has to be up to standard for serious listening. 
>> That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s 
>> struggling.
>> ?I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user 
>> friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as 
>> well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the 
>> ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?
>>
>> Peter Fox
>>
>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a 
>> mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all 
>> FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual 
>> display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted 
>> channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the 
>> buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could 
>> also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual 
>> radio service.
>>
>> And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not 
>> many have that these days.
>>
>> On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
>>> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar 
>>> that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could 
>>> tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that 
>>> are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and 
>>> alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking 
>>> for is a display that shows the channel numbers.
>>>
>>> Peter Fox
>>>
>>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.couk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything 
>>> stuck out as being unusual.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on 
>>>> catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the 
>>>> only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than 
>>>> the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably 
>>>> audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds 
>>>> and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the 
>>>> rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters
>>>>
>>>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.
>>>>
>>>> Mike G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A 
>>>>>> strong resonance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, 
>>>>>> Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John H.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Hibou)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Apr 10 05:14:53 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 11:14:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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If you want something that is easy to use, and you have internet, how about an Amazon Echo. You just have to ask for the station you want, and they have a 3.5mm jack to feed to the hifi. If you happen to have Prime, you get music streaming as well. I am not sure that the quality you need, but they are half price at the moment. The Dot is ?24.99, and the Flex is down to a ?9.99. Maybe cheap enough to try.

Doug

On 10 April 2022, at 08:02, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I recognise that Sony tuner and owned one in early freeview days. ?I gave it to my son but it bricked within a year or two, an ebay replacement was dead on arrival too, so we lost faith somewhat. I suppose any that have survived until now, 20 years or so, are probably well proof tested. The ebay examples at ?13 to ?24 are cheap enough to risk! ?Were they not around ?100 in their day? I think those preset buttons on the remote would help a lot. Thanks.

?In a quick search I found an article on AVforums that hints at resetting procedures that might have saved our original one.


Peter Fox


On 9 Apr 2022, at 23:35, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

? 

The Sony tuners were very popular in their day and long lived. Plenty on Ebay for pennies - so worth a punt if you think it might do what you want.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403587351200?hash=item5df7ae42a0:g:8o4AAOSw31JiTX~A

On 09/04/2022 22:20, Peter Fox wrote:

Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick (or similar) ?and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but they are both messy. ?Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using Freeview for radio.?

My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel numbers!!

Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very treacly. ?I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is mirrored on the TV ?But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is ?nondescript and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too.?

It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM or whatever but ?it has to be up to standard for serious listening. That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s struggling. 

?I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?

Peter Fox


On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

? 

I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.

And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not many have that these days.

On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:

Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers.?

Peter Fox


On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.couk> wrote:

? 

I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.



On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:

I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters?


I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.?


Mike G




On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 

Yes, very strange.

B

?

On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:

Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?

It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance

around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?

(Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)


Best Wishes,

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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Apr 10 05:39:04 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 10:39:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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Wasn?t there a Freeview system upgrade to DVB-T2 which was in some way incompatible with earlier versions built into many TV?s and standalone tuners? And then, Freeview +, Freeview HD and finally Freeview Play. Plus, other issues with reduced channel bandwidths (data compression, etc) to make room for more unwanted shopping, adult, and God channels?
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 10 Apr 2022, at 08:03, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I recognise that Sony tuner and owned one in early freeview days.  I gave it to my son but it bricked within a year or two, an ebay replacement was dead on arrival too, so we lost faith somewhat. I suppose any that have survived until now, 20 years or so, are probably well proof tested. The ebay examples at ?13 to ?24 are cheap enough to risk!  Were they not around ?100 in their day? I think those preset buttons on the remote would help a lot. Thanks.
 In a quick search I found an article on AVforums that hints at resetting procedures that might have saved our original one.

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 23:35, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

?

The Sony tuners were very popular in their day and long lived. Plenty on Ebay for pennies - so worth a punt if you think it might do what you want.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403587351200?hash=item5df7ae42a0:g:8o4AAOSw31JiTX~A

On 09/04/2022 22:20, Peter Fox wrote:
Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick (or similar)  and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but they are both messy.  Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using Freeview for radio.
My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel numbers!!
Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very treacly.  I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is mirrored on the TV  But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is  nondescript and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too.
It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM or whatever but  it has to be up to standard for serious listening. That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s struggling.
 I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk><mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

?

I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.

And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not many have that these days.

On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers.

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.couk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.


On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters

I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.

Mike G



On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Yes, very strange.

B



On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:

Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?

It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance

around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?

(Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Apr 10 08:45:10 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 14:45:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noisy Kettles!
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I agree, modern 'flat plate' kettles are the worst invention ever! I 
have given up and reverted to my old Russell-Hobbs coiled element kettle 
which is so quiet that you wonder if it is actually on! The only problem 
with it is that the water level indicator leaks so I have to dry the 
power supply base after every boil, but at last we don't have to turn up 
the TV sound whilst making a cuppa! Cheers, Dave

On 10/04/2022 00:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Glad you still like the SA1?s, Pete, but how about a pair of active 
> Mackie HR824?s? Mine are Mk1?s, which for some reason that I can?t put 
> my finger on, I prefer to the Mk2. Good thing is, they go into auto 
> standby and never need actually turning on or off, and they would 
> replace the 303. Splendid LF response, but even so, for the bottom 
> octave I use them with a carefully set up Genelec 7050cpm sub. (Which 
> also has standby mode).
> By the way, did you mean Quad 34? With the well documented upgrades to 
> the 34, it?s massively better than the 33, which even Quad would agree 
> was their least good ever product! The 303 was Quad?s first transistor 
> power amp, and suffered quite bad crossover distortion.
> I did suggest a Freeview tuner option in an earlier post.
> I daresay all of this is completely not what you want either, but, hey-ho!
> Oh, and we watched that HIGNFY on the kitchen telly (small Genelecs) 
> and didn?t notice any problem with the sound. Drowned out by the 
> crunching of deliciously crispy roast potatoes, fan-oven, dishwasher, 
> etc., I daresay! And how is it possible for a kettle to be so noisy, I 
> often ask?
> Cheers and best wishes,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 22:21, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, 
>> but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they 
>> are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick 
>> (or similar) ?and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but 
>> they are both messy. ?Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in 
>> mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using 
>> Freeview for radio.
>> My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv 
>> sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better 
>> bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt 
>> Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor 
>> SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I 
>> get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate 
>> bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume 
>> on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel 
>> numbers!!
>> Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted 
>> up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very 
>> treacly. ?I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after 
>> Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was 
>> ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is 
>> mirrored on the TV ?But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up 
>> on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various 
>> family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I 
>> have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was 
>> one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it 
>> sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is ?nondescript and not linked to 
>> the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the 
>> youngsters? PS4s too.
>> It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM 
>> or whatever but ?it has to be up to standard for serious listening. 
>> That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s 
>> struggling.
>> ?I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user 
>> friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as 
>> well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the 
>> ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?
>>
>> Peter Fox
>>
>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a 
>> mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all 
>> FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual 
>> display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted 
>> channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the 
>> buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could 
>> also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual 
>> radio service.
>>
>> And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not 
>> many have that these days.
>>
>> On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
>>> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar 
>>> that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could 
>>> tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that 
>>> are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and 
>>> alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking 
>>> for is a display that shows the channel numbers.
>>>
>>> Peter Fox
>>>
>>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything 
>>> stuck out as being unusual.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on 
>>>> catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the 
>>>> only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than 
>>>> the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably 
>>>> audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds 
>>>> and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the 
>>>> rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters
>>>>
>>>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Apr 10 08:51:09 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 14:51:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noisy Kettles!
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My trusty Russell Hobbs died with a switch fault. And couldn't find new 
spares. Not wanting a jug kettle -? handle on the top makes things 
easier for arthritic hands - I found one in Argos. And couldn't believe 
how noisy it was.

On 10/04/2022 14:45, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I agree, modern 'flat plate' kettles are the worst invention ever! I 
> have given up and reverted to my old Russell-Hobbs coiled element 
> kettle which is so quiet that you wonder if it is actually on! The 
> only problem with it is that the water level indicator leaks so I have 
> to dry the power supply base after every boil, but at last we don't 
> have to turn up the TV sound whilst making a cuppa! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 10/04/2022 00:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Glad you still like the SA1?s, Pete, but how about a pair of active 
>> Mackie HR824?s? Mine are Mk1?s, which for some reason that I can?t 
>> put my finger on, I prefer to the Mk2. Good thing is, they go into 
>> auto standby and never need actually turning on or off, and they 
>> would replace the 303. Splendid LF response, but even so, for the 
>> bottom octave I use them with a carefully set up Genelec 7050cpm sub. 
>> (Which also has standby mode).
>> By the way, did you mean Quad 34? With the well documented upgrades 
>> to the 34, it?s massively better than the 33, which even Quad would 
>> agree was their least good ever product! The 303 was Quad?s first 
>> transistor power amp, and suffered quite bad crossover distortion.
>> I did suggest a Freeview tuner option in an earlier post.
>> I daresay all of this is completely not what you want either, but, 
>> hey-ho!
>> Oh, and we watched that HIGNFY on the kitchen telly (small Genelecs) 
>> and didn?t notice any problem with the sound. Drowned out by the 
>> crunching of deliciously crispy roast potatoes, fan-oven, dishwasher, 
>> etc., I daresay! And how is it possible for a kettle to be so noisy, 
>> I often ask?
>> Cheers and best wishes,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>>
>>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 22:21, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, 
>>> but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because 
>>> they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus 
>>> firestick (or similar) ?and I have dabbled at internet radio using 
>>> VLC, but they are both messy. ?Dave?s system is nearest to what I 
>>> have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were 
>>> using Freeview for radio.
>>> My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv 
>>> sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better 
>>> bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt 
>>> Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor 
>>> SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason 
>>> I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three 
>>> separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust 
>>> the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure 
>>> tv channel numbers!!
>>> Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted 
>>> up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very 
>>> treacly. ?I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and 
>>> after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it 
>>> was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but 
>>> it is mirrored on the TV ?But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi 
>>> set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. 
>>> Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is 
>>> better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I 
>>> think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, 
>>> nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is ?nondescript 
>>> and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an 
>>> hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too.
>>> It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM 
>>> or whatever but ?it has to be up to standard for serious listening. 
>>> That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s 
>>> struggling.
>>> ?I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very 
>>> user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or 
>>> two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already 
>>> found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?
>>>
>>> Peter Fox
>>>
>>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a 
>>> mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all 
>>> FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual 
>>> display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted 
>>> channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the 
>>> buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could 
>>> also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual 
>>> radio service.
>>>
>>> And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. 
>>> Not many have that these days.
>>>
>>> On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
>>>> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar 
>>>> that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could 
>>>> tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that 
>>>> are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and 
>>>> alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am 
>>>> asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Fox
>>>>
>>>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything 
>>>> stuck out as being unusual.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on 
>>>>> catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the 
>>>>> only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than 
>>>>> the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably 
>>>>> audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds 
>>>>> and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the 
>>>>> rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters
>>>>>
>>>>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>


From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sun Apr 10 08:58:30 2022
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 14:58:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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I?ve had a couple of Humax Freeview boxes - Fox HDR T2.
It has an LED display on the front showing which station you?re currently tuned to.
And - probably quite useful for you - with the aid of (unofficial) custom firmware - it?s possible to renumber the channels so you could put all the radio ones you want at the top of the EPG.
And, of course, you can delete the channels you?re not interested in.

You can pick them up from time to time on eBay.

If this sounds interesting, get in touch and I?ll dig out the details.

Best

Peter Neill

peter at neill.tv

> On 9 Apr 2022, at 22:20, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick (or similar)  and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but they are both messy.  Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using Freeview for radio. 
> My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel numbers!!
> Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very treacly.  I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is mirrored on the TV  But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is  nondescript and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too. 
> It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM or whatever but  it has to be up to standard for serious listening. That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s struggling.
>  I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.
> 
> And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not many have that these days.
> On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
>> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers. 
>> 
>> Peter Fox
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters 
>>> 
>>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly. 
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>>>>> 
>>>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> John H.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Hibou)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 09:35:29 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:35:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <e300d467-a649-f75c-88c0-798a895223c0@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <26318a10-9677-7c09-2037-6cdeb1188886@gmail.com>

I've grabbed some audio, attached. Still sounds a bit odd to me, 
especially on VCM.

B



On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>
> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A 
> strong resonance
>
> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>
> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX? & D to A converter, Hitachi 
> FET power Amps)
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> John H.
>
> (Hibou)
>
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Apr 10 11:20:35 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 17:20:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noisy Kettles!
In-Reply-To: <cbff6de5-3668-d00f-a2e7-67bfbc246078@btinternet.com>
References: <84c704d5-9eae-a86e-c15c-62137df1d966@davesound.co.uk>
	<5BE3A99F-6036-4B5B-8B6D-0A515CB51E8B@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<PAXP191MB19819BF46F0FA569E389C0BDA7E89@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <a525c613-a0db-85a6-a2ba-c6fde43a5c99@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Flat plate versions do give better efficiency, which may add to the 
attraction with current prices - and they do boil (noisily) for a 
shorter time.

The failure of Russel Hobbs water level indicators is well-known. They 
make them from a plastic that simply can't cope with the heat. RH can't 
supply spares because they don't make the kettles - they merely import 
the finished items from China. They admitted this to me quite openly, 
and merely offered a discount on a new one.

Chris Woolf

On 10/04/2022 14:45, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I agree, modern 'flat plate' kettles are the worst invention ever! I 
> have given up and reverted to my old Russell-Hobbs coiled element 
> kettle which is so quiet that you wonder if it is actually on! The 
> only problem with it is that the water level indicator leaks so I have 
> to dry the power supply base after every boil, but at last we don't 
> have to turn up the TV sound whilst making a cuppa! Cheers, Dave
>


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Apr 10 11:52:15 2022
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 17:52:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noisy Kettles!
In-Reply-To: <a525c613-a0db-85a6-a2ba-c6fde43a5c99@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <84c704d5-9eae-a86e-c15c-62137df1d966@davesound.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <2259e1dc-5028-a397-58ca-04bfdb6d81e5@btinternet.com>

Very interesting, Chris! The clear perspex water-level gauge is 
conneceted by two small? tubes to the kettle body and sealed by two very 
small O-rings. I have replaced both of those but the solid tubes have 
both snapped off so I replaced them with plastic tubing and sealed the 
kettle body side with my new wonder UV sealant 'Bondic'. Unfortunately, 
I think that the leak is occurring at the other end of the replacement 
tube! Sod's law works again! Cheers, Dave


4/2022 17:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:

> Flat plate versions do give better efficiency, which may add to the 
> attraction with current prices - and they do boil (noisily) for a 
> shorter time.
>
> The failure of Russel Hobbs water level indicators is well-known. They 
> make them from a plastic that simply can't cope with the heat. RH 
> can't supply spares because they don't make the kettles - they merely 
> import the finished items from China. They admitted this to me quite 
> openly, and merely offered a discount on a new one.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
> On 10/04/2022 14:45, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> I agree, modern 'flat plate' kettles are the worst invention ever! I 
>> have given up and reverted to my old Russell-Hobbs coiled element 
>> kettle which is so quiet that you wonder if it is actually on! The 
>> only problem with it is that the water level indicator leaks so I 
>> have to dry the power supply base after every boil, but at last we 
>> don't have to turn up the TV sound whilst making a cuppa! Cheers, Dave
>>
>


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Apr 10 12:42:15 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 18:42:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Cabin Briefing
In-Reply-To: <698065a7-3e25-d186-381e-f8061635e0f5@gmail.com>
References: <698065a7-3e25-d186-381e-f8061635e0f5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <625316f5.1c69fb81.bd512.862c@mx.google.com>

On the subject of airline ?funnies?, I offer these, but you?ve probably seen them before:

Cheap Flights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc

BA Lakme alternative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp_hzrB_FI4
 Picture quality not great on this.

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 08 April 2022 15:24
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Cabin Briefing

I thought this might make you laugh too.? I assume the Manchester he refers to is the one in New Hampshire

http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/briefing.mp4

B



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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sun Apr 10 23:47:50 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 05:47:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <4A377F0A-FC55-4D2F-8F10-BF2764CD4BC5@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <4A377F0A-FC55-4D2F-8F10-BF2764CD4BC5@zero51.force9.co.uk>
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I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full Belgian Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards and psu on modern pcbs. Their philosophy is to use high quality  components with tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to tweak but not fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did the npn/pnp mod of the new power transistors. I am told you can measure the improvement but not necessarily hear the difference!  And new big caps too of course.  They were much much better after all that although there?s no way of comparing with the originals fresh out of the box.
 The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these mods as lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without which I would have made a proper mess of it all, 
I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing a tiny spring a couple of years before.
I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland. Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load from RS. Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components.  
Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness; component update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v (iirc) to give more  headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if you didn?t need vinyl (I did) and a new spark suppressor across the on switch. Always cracked, he said.  
So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very good. Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no longer speak of the higher frequencies!  They might last for another fifty years.

Peter Fox

On 10 Apr 2022, at 08:02, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?I recognise that Sony tuner and owned one in early freeview days.  I gave it to my son but it bricked within a year or two, an ebay replacement was dead on arrival too, so we lost faith somewhat. I suppose any that have survived until now, 20 years or so, are probably well proof tested. The ebay examples at ?13 to ?24 are cheap enough to risk!  Were they not around ?100 in their day? I think those preset buttons on the remote would help a lot. Thanks.
 In a quick search I found an article on AVforums that hints at resetting procedures that might have saved our original one.

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 23:35, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

?
The Sony tuners were very popular in their day and long lived. Plenty on Ebay for pennies - so worth a punt if you think it might do what you want.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403587351200?hash=item5df7ae42a0:g:8o4AAOSw31JiTX~A

On 09/04/2022 22:20, Peter Fox wrote:
> Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick (or similar)  and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but they are both messy.  Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using Freeview for radio. 
> My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel numbers!!
> Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very treacly.  I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is mirrored on the TV  But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is  nondescript and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too. 
> It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM or whatever but  it has to be up to standard for serious listening. That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s struggling.
>  I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.
> 
> And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not many have that these days.
> 
> On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
>> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers. 
>> 
>> Peter Fox
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters 
>>> 
>>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly. 
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>>>>> 
>>>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> John H.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Hibou)
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Mon Apr 11 03:29:02 2022
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 09:29:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
Message-ID: <f7531344-d34b-1027-85b0-e3f542a937f5@btinternet.com>

I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.

But, but...? would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with 
Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, 
Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?

Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?? [Any more than 
when I buy a water filter online from him?]

What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?

Hugh Sheppard


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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Apr 11 03:35:35 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 09:35:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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Thanks Peter N,  I looked up the Fox T2 when Hibou mentioned it and the pics didnt show an lcd window.  Not sure I need a recorder though. That is overkill!
 I am not very keen on Alexa style solutions. Works ok on Star Trek of course, but who else is listening in?
Re kettles we have a real quiet classic Russell Hobbs chrome on copper (with a kettle plug in the back!!)  and a much newer plastic RH that has a simple window on the water level and it doesnt leak. It is suffering from ugly plastic rot round the spout and may well be dumped while still functioning for aesthetic reasons. 
Buy cheapest buy twice, three, four or five times might be best for kettles?
Peter Fox

On 11 Apr 2022, at 05:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full Belgian Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards and psu on modern pcbs. Their philosophy is to use high quality  components with tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to tweak but not fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did the npn/pnp mod of the new power transistors. I am told you can measure the improvement but not necessarily hear the difference!  And new big caps too of course.  They were much much better after all that although there?s no way of comparing with the originals fresh out of the box.
 The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these mods as lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without which I would have made a proper mess of it all, 
I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing a tiny spring a couple of years before.
I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland. Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load from RS. Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components.  
Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness; component update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v (iirc) to give more  headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if you didn?t need vinyl (I did) and a new spark suppressor across the on switch. Always cracked, he said.  
So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very good. Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no longer speak of the higher frequencies!  They might last for another fifty years.

Peter Fox

On 10 Apr 2022, at 08:02, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?I recognise that Sony tuner and owned one in early freeview days.  I gave it to my son but it bricked within a year or two, an ebay replacement was dead on arrival too, so we lost faith somewhat. I suppose any that have survived until now, 20 years or so, are probably well proof tested. The ebay examples at ?13 to ?24 are cheap enough to risk!  Were they not around ?100 in their day? I think those preset buttons on the remote would help a lot. Thanks.
 In a quick search I found an article on AVforums that hints at resetting procedures that might have saved our original one.

Peter Fox

On 9 Apr 2022, at 23:35, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:

?
The Sony tuners were very popular in their day and long lived. Plenty on Ebay for pennies - so worth a punt if you think it might do what you want.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403587351200?hash=item5df7ae42a0:g:8o4AAOSw31JiTX~A

On 09/04/2022 22:20, Peter Fox wrote:
> Thanks Simon, Phil and Dave, almost completely what I didn?t want, but I had to go and look up all the things you mentioned because they are interesting per se! I think flight radar use Pi plus firestick (or similar)  and I have dabbled at internet radio using VLC, but they are both messy.  Dave?s system is nearest to what I have in mind. I recall you told me three or four years ago you were using Freeview for radio. 
> My main set up uses a Sony tv to supply freesat radio, as well as tv sound and vision, and freesat, as you know, mostly has better bitrates than Freeview or DAB. then to a DAC, thence to a rebuilt Quad 303 and on to a couple of early but virtually bombproof Spendor SA1s (thanks Nick Ware) positioned under the telly. For some reason I get a lot of complaints about having to switch on/off three separate bits of kit and having to walk across the room to adjust the volume on the Quad 33 as well as selecting some rather obscure tv channel numbers!!
> Not only that but iplayer and All4 needs the dedicated laptop booted up too. The not-so modern Sony tv?s on-board internet stuff is very treacly.  I am ?lucky? that the laptop is a quite recent HP and after Ben managed to shut a pencil inside it and crack the screen it was ?retired? to me. The screen is offputting rather than dead but it is mirrored on the TV  But that?s not my problem, it?s my hi-fi set up on the Isle of Wight that needs a simple selectable tuner. Various family families stay there from time to time, so simpler is better. I have just trialled a set up using a really basic stb, I think it was one of those freebies that Freeview used to hand out, nevertheless it sounds quite crisp and full. The tv is  nondescript and not linked to the sound system but it does have a scart? and an hdmi for the youngsters? PS4s too. 
> It?s good to have a quick and easy set up for background Classic FM or whatever but  it has to be up to standard for serious listening. That?s what the fm tuner was for, but it is distracting when it?s struggling.
>  I could print out a list of channel numbers but that?s not very user friendly and the box randomly shuts itself down every hour or two as well. I was rather hoping that Dave or someone had already found the ideal stb/tuner! Are those Sony freeview tuners history now?
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 9 Apr 2022, at 13:15, Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I do exactly that for the house 'ring' sound system. Before I had a mixture of DAB and FM to get the four services it has. But now all FreeView radio. And couldn't find any tuner which had a visual display. Best I could fine were Sony tuners, and make the wanted channels favourites. You can then toggle between them using the buttons on the tuner. But initial setup done with a TV. You could also use the remote and mark up the 1-10 buttons with the actual radio service.
> 
> And just had a thought. They require a TV with a SCART for setup. Not many have that these days.
> 
> On 09/04/2022 12:11, Peter Fox wrote:
>> Slightly off topic. Does anyone know of a ?set top box? or similar that you can fly blind for freeview sound radio use? Obs you could tune it initially using a telly.I have a couple of fm tuners that are not sounding so good these days probably due to their age and alignment rather than poor signal strength. I think what I am asking for is a display that shows the channel numbers. 
>> 
>> Peter Fox
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I watched it on catch up too at about 22.30. Can't say anything stuck out as being unusual.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/04/2022 08:58, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I had forgotten your comment, John, when I watched HIGNFY on catch-up on my phone, fairly quietly it has to be said, and the only complaint I had was that Paul?s guest was less audible than the rest of them - at a level where the rest were comfortably audible, he was often unintelligible, but if I rewound ten seconds and listened again at slightly higher level, he was OK, but the rest, and the audience of course, we?re too loud at close quarters 
>>> 
>>> I must lend an ear to it again on the proper telly. 
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 23:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? Yes, very strange.
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/04/2022 22:03, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone notice a strange quality to the sound on tonight's show?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It sounded as f it had been recorded via a mic in a drainpipe. A strong resonance
>>>>> 
>>>>> around 500Hz, I wonder what would cause this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Firefox T2 via Panasonic Freeview TV RX  & D to A converter, Hitachi FET power Amps)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> John H.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Hibou)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 04:10:51 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:10:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <f7531344-d34b-1027-85b0-e3f542a937f5@btinternet.com>
References: <f7531344-d34b-1027-85b0-e3f542a937f5@btinternet.com>
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You can have my Alexa mini to try the link with Mr Bezos if you want - 
if I can find it.

My daughter bought it for me, and it was a good novelty for a while. We 
heard about how it listens all the time, because of course it has to, 
but my wife was spooked when it said out of the blue? "I have added 
public school toilets to your shopping list".?? It finally had to go, 
but it's here somewhere....

Looking at the publicity, I don't think you can get live Freeview tv on 
the Echo Show 5. It says -

"Be entertained: ask Alexa to play TV programmes and films via Prime 
Video, Netflix and more. Stream favourites from Amazon Music, Apple 
Music, Spotify and others."

B





On 11/04/2022 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.
>
> But, but...? would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with 
> Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, 
> Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?
>
> Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?? [Any more than 
> when I buy a water filter online from him?]
>
> What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 
> 'live'?
>
> Hugh Sheppard
>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Mon Apr 11 04:11:22 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:11:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
Message-ID: <hbwhxa6vbuu8a3e596c1gslp.1649667155533@email.android.com>

There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert. 

Have I been turned to the dark side?

Doug

On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.? 

But, but...? would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?

Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?? [Any more than when I buy a water filter online from him?]

What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?

Hugh Sheppard


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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Apr 11 04:23:02 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:23:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Whole house audio
Message-ID: <5C7274E0-3469-4815-A2AA-D7F2E1EA8D15@me.com>

A lot of people have recently explained their way of providing audio throughout the house.  It?s something I have done to a certain extent, but I?m not completely happy with my solution.

The spanner in the works for me is that I want my system to also work with analogue line inputs ( typically vinyl ).  Most solutions work only for broadcast or digital sources.

I don?t want to spend too much money, so having Sonos stuff all over the house isn?t going to happen.  It would be nice if the system could be automated by HomeKit ( or in the near future, by Matter ) as we already have a partial solution which automates pretty well and has proved to be surprisingly convenient.

What I?m doing at the moment is taking the aux out from my HiFi into a wireless sender.  The speaker in the kitchen switches on automatically when the sender is active.  The dining room has secondary speakers from the ?B? output and there is a passive volume control on the wall. 

The HiFi itself is switched on by a smart switch which apart from being easily controlled by the phone, allows various types of automation depending on who is at home and the time of day. We?ve also got NFC stickers in hidden places ( hidden for aesthetic reasons ). If we tap our phone close to one, it changes the state of the audio system, turning it off if it?s on, or on if it?s off.  This proves useful for quickly turning it off when the phone rings.

Upstairs we have a separate HiFi with twin amplifiers and individual volume controls.  One set of speakers in the bedroom, with ceiling speakers via the other amplifier in the en-suite.  It?s independent of the downstairs system, so can?t play the analogue sources, but that isn?t much of a problem. It has BlueTooth and Airplay, so I could presumably put a suitable sender downstairs if needed. For other rooms, we have a second wireless speaker exactly like in the kitchen. It?s plugged in wherever and whenever it?s needed, but it?s on the limit of its range in the front bedroom. 

The ideal solution would be to send audio over WiFi in some way as we have solid coverage throughout the house and also in the garden. I?ve looked at home-brew possibilities using Pi or ESP32 modules , but haven?t yet found a solution which ticks all the boxes. I also have a Synology NAS system which could possibly host a whole house audio system via WiFi, but I?m not very knowledgable about it beyond the way it?s normally used. I did try downloading an internet radio app for it, but it was too much fuss trying to use  it.

Any clever ideas?  

Alan

From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Apr 11 04:25:07 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:25:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <hbwhxa6vbuu8a3e596c1gslp.1649667155533@email.android.com>
References: <hbwhxa6vbuu8a3e596c1gslp.1649667155533@email.android.com>
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Do live progs like Newsnight appear on the iplayer while they're on? 
I've never looked. But do know the delay before they become available in 
catchup is variable.

But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay 
and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions 
where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date.

On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>
> There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is 
> half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. 
> To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer 
> website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It 
> will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn 
> it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing 
> number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal 
> tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert.
>
> Have I been turned to the dark side?
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.
>
> But, but...? would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with 
> Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, 
> Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?
>
> Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?? [Any more than 
> when I buy a water filter online from him?]
>
> What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 
> 'live'?
>
> Hugh Sheppard
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Apr 11 04:43:10 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:43:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
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For anybody thinking about alternatives to Alexa, I can often be expected to suggest an Apple solution, but in this case I offer a caution.  The little spherical HomePod looks great, sounds pretty good and is modestly priced, but has two massive limitations.  One is that although it works with most internet radio stations, it doesn?t currently work with BBC radio.  A possible solution has been talked about for ages, but nothing seems to happen. The way to listen to BBC radio is by using the BBC Sounds app on an iPhone or iPad and then playing it on the HomePod via Bluetooth. 

Which brings me to the second drawback.  Although you can play audio via Bluetooth from an iPhone or iPad, you can?t play it from any other device, such as a Bluetooth transmitter. 

It?s a shame because there?s a lot to like about the device and it has other features which would be great for me. My wife was tempted to buy one for our new kitchen as they offer a speaker exactly the right colour to match the doors, but it was a non-starter for our purposes.

Alan



> On 11 Apr 2022, at 10:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? You can have my Alexa mini to try the link with Mr Bezos if you want - if I can find it.   
> 
> My daughter bought it for me, and it was a good novelty for a while. We heard about how it listens all the time, because of course it has to, but my wife was spooked when it said out of the blue  "I have added public school toilets to your shopping list".   It finally had to go, but it's here somewhere....
> 
> Looking at the publicity, I don't think you can get live Freeview tv on the Echo Show 5. It says -
> 
> "Be entertained: ask Alexa to play TV programmes and films via Prime Video, Netflix and more. Stream favourites from Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify and others."
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/04/2022 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote:
>> I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.  
>> 
>> But, but...  would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?
>> 
>> Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?  [Any more than when I buy a water filter online from him?]
>> 
>> What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?
>> 
>> Hugh Sheppard
>> 
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Apr 11 05:25:15 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:25:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
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If you say ?Alexa, play me Radio 4? she will ask if you would like her to send you a link on your mobile phone, to connect to your BBC Sounds account.
A well meaning young person trying to drag me into their World, gave me an Echo 8 Gen 2 for Christmas, and I have to say I would recommend that to anyone. ?84.99 on Prime, or there?s a limited time deal at ?59.99 for the Echo 8 Gen 1.  Get it by 10PM tonight!

Or you could of course, do it direct on your iPad - assuming you have one.

I don?t think anything will be via copper wires and radio waves for much longer. Apart from mobile phones, of course, but by the time they?ve cracked that one, those of us that are still here will be doing all that, and transport too, Star Trek-style.

Don?t worry too much about Jeff Bezos, he?ll be in prison by then. What?s more important is that YOU get what YOU want.
Cheers,
N.

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On 11 Apr 2022, at 09:28, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.

But, but...  would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?

Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?  [Any more than when I buy a water filter online from him?]

What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?

Hugh Sheppard

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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Mon Apr 11 05:55:54 2022
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:55:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <hbwhxa6vbuu8a3e596c1gslp.1649667155533@email.android.com>
References: <hbwhxa6vbuu8a3e596c1gslp.1649667155533@email.android.com>
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Thanks Bernie, Doug, Albert et al,

Now also checking the Google alternatives re. John Lewis's...

Here's another; does anyone have experience of an 'External Blu-Ray 
Drive USB 3.0 Portable Bluray Player Disc Burner Rewriter Reader' ?? 
[Circa ?85 on Amazon].

would it be a useful tool to download TV catch-up, YouTube etc. via a PC 
so as to achieve Blue-Ray DVD's for the playout projector system at our 
village hall?

Personal pitch: I'm probably in tonight's Odiham episode of 'The Great 
British Dig' on More4 at 9 PM.? [Channel 18 on Freeview].? It will then 
be on All4 without ads, so useful for future consumption...? What 
standard would All4 be on? MPEG4 or ??

Hugh

On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>
> There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is 
> half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. 
> To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer 
> website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It 
> will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn 
> it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing 
> number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal 
> tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert.
>
> Have I been turned to the dark side?
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.
>
> But, but...? would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with 
> Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, 
> Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?
>
> Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?? [Any more than 
> when I buy a water filter online from him?]
>
> What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 
> 'live'?
>
> Hugh Sheppard
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Apr 11 06:04:12 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:04:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
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Message-ID: <FFCF4D9E-D958-4110-B5B9-99AF69D54A45@me.com>

I don?t have any experience of that particular Blu-Ray drive, but when I got a computer which didn?t have a CD-R drive, I bought the similar Amazon branded USB one for peanuts and it?s still going strong, although I have to admit that it rarely gets used these days. 

Alan

> On 11 Apr 2022, at 11:55, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks Bernie, Doug, Albert et al,
> 
> Now also checking the Google alternatives re. John Lewis's...
> 
> Here's another; does anyone have experience of an  'External Blu-Ray Drive USB 3.0 Portable Bluray Player Disc Burner Rewriter Reader' ?  [Circa ?85 on Amazon].
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 06:32:55 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:32:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blu Rays and stuff
In-Reply-To: <cc8cb327-fca3-d0ee-46a8-a95083d3d6eb@btinternet.com>
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I wonder why you need Blu-ray for copying off stuff from a PC.?? A DVD 
can hold 4.7GB, which, if you are using MP4 H264 or H265, is quite a lot.

In any case, why would one need either?

I just downloaded a programme from the iPlayer. You have to use the BBC 
iPlayer app, and the result is heavily encoded, so that you have to use 
the app to play it back. No DVD or Blu-ray allowed.? You can get round 
this by using OBS Studio to copy the programme off, but still easier to 
go direct from the laptop via HDMI to the projector. HDMI has encoding 
stuff built in so it may lock you out of projecting iPlayer stuff.

I can't see an offer to download on All4 or ITV Hub so both would need 
OBS. Or just play the programme from the website.

YouTube is mostly easy, using 4k Video downloader or similar. No disc 
required.

Hopefully the place where you play back has good broadband and wifi. If 
not, a phone hotspot would do the job, maybe. Either way, just playing 
the stuff in off a laptop is the easiest way for all this.

B







On 11/04/2022 11:55, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Thanks Bernie, Doug, Albert et al,
>
> Now also checking the Google alternatives re. John Lewis's...
>
> Here's another; does anyone have experience of an? 'External Blu-Ray 
> Drive USB 3.0 Portable Bluray Player Disc Burner Rewriter Reader' ?? 
> [Circa ?85 on Amazon].
>
> would it be a useful tool to download TV catch-up, YouTube etc. via a 
> PC so as to achieve Blue-Ray DVD's for the playout projector system at 
> our village hall?
>
> Personal pitch: I'm probably in tonight's Odiham episode of 'The Great 
> British Dig' on More4 at 9 PM.? [Channel 18 on Freeview].? It will 
> then be on All4 without ads, so useful for future consumption...? What 
> standard would All4 be on?? MPEG4 or ??
>
> Hugh
>
> On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is 
>> half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. 
>> To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer 
>> website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. 
>> It will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and 
>> turn it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing 
>> number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal 
>> tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert.
>>
>> Have I been turned to the dark side?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.
>>
>> But, but...? would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with 
>> Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, 
>> Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?
>>
>> Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?? [Any more than 
>> when I buy a water filter online from him?]
>>
>> What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 
>> 'live'?
>>
>> Hugh Sheppard
>>
>>
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 06:42:12 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:42:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Blu Rays and stuff
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For BBC, try
https://sourceforge.net/projects/get-iplayer/

You can change the dpi and things. Plus none of the time-limited encoding.

Works for BBC TV and radio.




From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 12:32 PM
To: Hugh Sheppard ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blu Rays and stuff


I wonder why you need Blu-ray for copying off stuff from a PC.   A DVD can hold 4.7GB, which, if you are using MP4 H264 or H265, is quite a lot.  

In any case, why would one need either?

I just downloaded a programme from the iPlayer. You have to use the BBC iPlayer app, and the result is heavily encoded, so that you have to use the app to play it back. No DVD or Blu-ray allowed.  You can get round this by using OBS Studio to copy the programme off, but still easier to go direct from the laptop via HDMI to the projector. HDMI has encoding stuff built in so it may lock you out of projecting iPlayer stuff. 

I can't see an offer to download on All4 or ITV Hub so both would need OBS. Or just play the programme from the website. 

YouTube is mostly easy, using 4k Video downloader or similar. No disc required.

Hopefully the place where you play back has good broadband and wifi. If not, a phone hotspot would do the job, maybe. Either way, just playing the stuff in off a laptop is the easiest way for all this. 

B




  



On 11/04/2022 11:55, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote:

  Thanks Bernie, Doug, Albert et al,

  Now also checking the Google alternatives re. John Lewis's...

  Here's another; does anyone have experience of an  'External Blu-Ray Drive USB 3.0 Portable Bluray Player Disc Burner Rewriter Reader' ?  [Circa ?85 on Amazon].


  would it be a useful tool to download TV catch-up, YouTube etc. via a PC so as to achieve Blue-Ray DVD's for the playout projector system at our village hall?

  Personal pitch: I'm probably in tonight's Odiham episode of 'The Great British Dig' on More4 at 9 PM.  [Channel 18 on Freeview].  It will then be on All4 without ads, so useful for future consumption...  What standard would All4 be on?  MPEG4 or ??  


  Hugh 


  On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:

    There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert. 

    Have I been turned to the dark side?

    Doug



    On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:



    I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.  


    But, but...  would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?

    Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?  [Any more than when I buy a water filter online from him?]

    What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?

    Hugh Sheppard



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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Apr 11 07:20:28 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:20:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi Peter. Is this what you need from my fridge?
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Apr 11 07:49:42 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:49:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
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References: <hbwhxa6vbuu8a3e596c1gslp.1649667155533@email.android.com>
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Do live progs like Newsnight appear on the iplayer while they're on? 
I've never looked. But do know the delay before they become available in 
catchup is variable.

But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay 
and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions 
where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date.
On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>
> There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is 
> half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. 
> To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer 
> website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It 
> will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn 
> it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing 
> number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal 
> tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert.
>
> Have I been turned to the dark side?
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.
>
> But, but...? would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with 
> Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, 
> Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?
>
> Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?? [Any more than 
> when I buy a water filter online from him?]
>
> What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 
> 'live'?
>
> Hugh Sheppard
>
>
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 07:58:19 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:58:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <aacc04e2-06d1-7311-1bae-9dac966c10de@davesound.co.uk>
References: <hbwhxa6vbuu8a3e596c1gslp.1649667155533@email.android.com>
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CBBC is one of the live channels on iplayer. You should be able to watch it while it?s screening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/cbbc




From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 1:49 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?

Do live progs like Newsnight appear on the iplayer while they're on? I've never looked. But do know the delay before they become available in catchup is variable.

But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date. 
On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:

  There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert. 

  Have I been turned to the dark side?

  Doug



  On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:



  I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.  


  But, but...  would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?

  Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?  [Any more than when I buy a water filter online from him?]

  What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?

  Hugh Sheppard



       Virus-free. www.avast.com  


   


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Apr 11 08:20:38 2022
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:20:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <aacc04e2-06d1-7311-1bae-9dac966c10de@davesound.co.uk>
References: <hbwhxa6vbuu8a3e596c1gslp.1649667155533@email.android.com>
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I do very much agree with that.

Living entirely without buying via Amazon is quite difficult - I've had 
to do it, while holding my nose, on occasions. But I really cannot cope 
with the idea of a sodding little box listening to my every word, and 
offering inane replies and unnecessary services in exchange for 
devouring personal information that I /really/ I do not need anyone else 
to know.

Amazon, Apple, Google etc only provide these services as barter for 
being able to harvest all your audible life - it's part of the deal, but 
not a part most people seem willing to notice. We, of all people, know 
about the calamities of radio mics being left on and recorded 
unsuspectingly, yet will commit the same error with an 
internet-connected box? Sorry, guys - not me.

Chris Woolf


On 11/04/2022 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> ...
>
> But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who 
> pay and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their 
> millions where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date.
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Apr 11 08:59:20 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:59:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <6fc3dc4d-31cf-b19d-3420-f37584d8163f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <6fc3dc4d-31cf-b19d-3420-f37584d8163f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <66458576-ED26-4E4C-B191-9570816903CE@zero51.force9.co.uk>

Yesterday our four year old GD came into the kitchen and announced that an enormous poo had quite mysteriously appeared on the bathroom floor. Tena night time security underwear ads  to match our age profile?
Fortunately we don?t have Alexa

Peter Fox

On 11 Apr 2022, at 14:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I do very much agree with that.

Living entirely without buying via Amazon is quite difficult - I've had to do it, while holding my nose, on occasions. But I really cannot cope with the idea of a sodding little box listening to my every word, and offering inane replies and unnecessary services in exchange for devouring personal information that I really I do not need anyone else to know.

Amazon, Apple, Google etc only provide these services as barter for being able to harvest all your audible life - it's part of the deal, but not a part most people seem willing to notice. We, of all people, know about the calamities of radio mics being left on and recorded unsuspectingly, yet will commit the same error with an internet-connected box? Sorry, guys - not me.

Chris Woolf



On 11/04/2022 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> ...
> 
> But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date.
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Apr 11 09:21:35 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:21:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <66458576-ED26-4E4C-B191-9570816903CE@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <6fc3dc4d-31cf-b19d-3420-f37584d8163f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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I too do not like the whole Alexa set-up and the idea of talking to the TV to change channels doesn't appeal, as I get enough strange looks as it is. I'm still mystified by people in the street apparently talking, sometimes quite loudly, to themselves until I realised they were on the 'phone.

I also don't want Alexa and the like knowing which radio station I'm listening to, or CD/DVD I'm playing.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 11 Apr 2022, at 14:59, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Yesterday our four year old GD came into the kitchen and announced that an enormous poo had quite mysteriously appeared on the bathroom floor. Tena night time security underwear ads  to match our age profile?
> Fortunately we don?t have Alexa
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 11 Apr 2022, at 14:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I do very much agree with that.
> 
> Living entirely without buying via Amazon is quite difficult - I've had to do it, while holding my nose, on occasions. But I really cannot cope with the idea of a sodding little box listening to my every word, and offering inane replies and unnecessary services in exchange for devouring personal information that I really I do not need anyone else to know.
> 
> Amazon, Apple, Google etc only provide these services as barter for being able to harvest all your audible life - it's part of the deal, but not a part most people seem willing to notice. We, of all people, know about the calamities of radio mics being left on and recorded unsuspectingly, yet will commit the same error with an internet-connected box? Sorry, guys - not me.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/04/2022 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> ...
>> 
>> But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr 11 09:55:19 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:55:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <E2773029-111C-45B7-AF6C-6322F0531589@me.com>
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I agree with the correspondents that dislike the whole concept of ?voice control? etc. I do not like the idea of my life being taken over by billionaires who dictate what one should buy, and how we should live and apparently make it impossible not to do so.
There?s a good novel by James Patterson - ?The Store? where a whole town is in the grip of ?The Company? and cannot think for themselves.
The way that this ?Store? operates is spookily close to Amazon.
My village High Street has a number of excellent shops, with the exception of Co-op which has a monopoly with regard to groceries. People from other villages come to shop here which speaks for itself. I try and support the other businesses, but they cannot compete with Amazon on price. There has been a retail outlet lying empty for ages, and I believe that Tesco has now got an interest ? I would have preferred Waitrose or M & S Food to have stepped in. But not everyone can afford their prices.
Pat


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From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: 11 April 2022 15:21
To: Peter Fox
Cc: Tech Ops List
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?

I too do not like the whole Alexa set-up and the idea of talking to the TV to change channels doesn't appeal, as I get enough strange looks as it is. I'm still mystified by people in the street apparently talking, sometimes quite loudly, to themselves until I realised they were on the 'phone.

I also don't want Alexa and the like knowing which radio station I'm listening to, or CD/DVD I'm playing.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










On 11 Apr 2022, at 14:59, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Yesterday our four year old GD came into the kitchen and announced that an enormous poo had quite mysteriously appeared on the bathroom floor. Tena night time security underwear ads ?to match our age profile?
Fortunately we don?t have Alexa
Peter Fox

On 11 Apr 2022, at 14:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
I do very much agree with that.
Living entirely without buying via Amazon is quite difficult - I've had to do it, while holding my nose, on occasions. But I really cannot cope with the idea of a sodding little box listening to my every word, and offering inane replies and unnecessary services in exchange for devouring personal information that I really I do not need anyone else to know.
Amazon, Apple, Google etc only provide these services as barter for being able to harvest all your audible life - it's part of the deal, but not a part most people seem willing to notice. We, of all people, know about the calamities of radio mics being left on and recorded unsuspectingly, yet will commit the same error with an internet-connected box? Sorry, guys - not me.
Chris Woolf

On 11/04/2022 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
...
But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Apr 11 09:56:31 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:56:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
In-Reply-To: <E2773029-111C-45B7-AF6C-6322F0531589@me.com>
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If you have a smart TV, it?s highly likely that you have one with an operating system which reports back about which channels you are viewing. That seems to be the case with some internet radio receivers too.

It?s very difficult to find out what data manufacturers are harvesting about you from internet connected devices, some manufacturers are very reluctant to even admit that they?re doing it. That?s why I approve of schemes like privacy nutrition labels, which offer a detailed view of what data is collected by a particular app. I would welcome a similar arrangement for devices. As a general rule, the less you pay for a gadget, the more chance there is of the manufacturer monetising your data.

Alan



> On 11 Apr 2022, at 15:22, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I also don't want Alexa and the like knowing which radio station I'm listening to, or CD/DVD I'm playing.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2022, at 14:59, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Yesterday our four year old GD came into the kitchen and announced that an enormous poo had quite mysteriously appeared on the bathroom floor. Tena night time security underwear ads  to match our age profile?
>> Fortunately we don?t have Alexa
>> 
>> Peter Fox
>> 
>> On 11 Apr 2022, at 14:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I do very much agree with that.
>> 
>> Living entirely without buying via Amazon is quite difficult - I've had to do it, while holding my nose, on occasions. But I really cannot cope with the idea of a sodding little box listening to my every word, and offering inane replies and unnecessary services in exchange for devouring personal information that I really I do not need anyone else to know.
>> 
>> Amazon, Apple, Google etc only provide these services as barter for being able to harvest all your audible life - it's part of the deal, but not a part most people seem willing to notice. We, of all people, know about the calamities of radio mics being left on and recorded unsuspectingly, yet will commit the same error with an internet-connected box? Sorry, guys - not me.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/04/2022 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date.
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Apr 11 11:34:28 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:34:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Blu Rays and stuff
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I find Icecream Screen Recorder and its companion Screenshot very handy. Save to anywhere and anything you want, and in most popular formats.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 11 Apr 2022, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I wonder why you need Blu-ray for copying off stuff from a PC.   A DVD can hold 4.7GB, which, if you are using MP4 H264 or H265, is quite a lot.

In any case, why would one need either?

I just downloaded a programme from the iPlayer. You have to use the BBC iPlayer app, and the result is heavily encoded, so that you have to use the app to play it back. No DVD or Blu-ray allowed.  You can get round this by using OBS Studio to copy the programme off, but still easier to go direct from the laptop via HDMI to the projector. HDMI has encoding stuff built in so it may lock you out of projecting iPlayer stuff.

I can't see an offer to download on All4 or ITV Hub so both would need OBS. Or just play the programme from the website.

YouTube is mostly easy, using 4k Video downloader or similar. No disc required.

Hopefully the place where you play back has good broadband and wifi. If not, a phone hotspot would do the job, maybe. Either way, just playing the stuff in off a laptop is the easiest way for all this.

B







On 11/04/2022 11:55, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote:

Thanks Bernie, Doug, Albert et al,

Now also checking the Google alternatives re. John Lewis's...

Here's another; does anyone have experience of an  'External Blu-Ray Drive USB 3.0 Portable Bluray Player Disc Burner Rewriter Reader' ?  [Circa ?85 on Amazon].

would it be a useful tool to download TV catch-up, YouTube etc. via a PC so as to achieve Blue-Ray DVD's for the playout projector system at our village hall?

Personal pitch: I'm probably in tonight's Odiham episode of 'The Great British Dig' on More4 at 9 PM.  [Channel 18 on Freeview].  It will then be on All4 without ads, so useful for future consumption...  What standard would All4 be on?  MPEG4 or ??

Hugh

On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:

There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert.

Have I been turned to the dark side?

Doug


On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.

But, but...  would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?

Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?  [Any more than when I buy a water filter online from him?]

What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?

Hugh Sheppard

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Mon Apr 11 12:03:59 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:03:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
Message-ID: <muy58224n1wryjnrbx57x5pp.1649695229039@email.android.com>

Yes, if you go to the iplayer website, click on "Channels", then select the one you want it gives you the option watch live. 
I have to say that I have found Amazon shopping an absolute godsend over the past year or so. I developed cancer last year and had six month of chemo. During that time I found it difficult to leave my bed let alone the house. Although I am now well on the road to recovery, the chemo has left my immune system depleated. Despite being jabbed four times, it is probable that I have no Covid immunity at all. So I am still having to isolate, and shopping is a definate no-no. Amazon Prime has come to my rescue many times, supplying almost all my non-food needs for the past two years.

Doug

On 11 April 2022, at 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Do live progs like Newsnight appear on the iplayer while they're on? I've never looked. But do know the delay before they become available in catchup is variable.

But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date. 

On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:

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There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert. 

Have I been turned to the dark side?

Doug



On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.? 

But, but...? would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?

Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?? [Any more than when I buy a water filter online from him?]

What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?

Hugh Sheppard


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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Apr 11 12:21:07 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:21:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alexa - is it almost obligatory?
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Sorry to hear of your cancer, Doug, but even though I am not housebound, I also confess to using Amazon quite a lot because their delivery service has always been excellent and apart from the prices usually being quite favourable, there is so much stuff nowadays that you can?t find in the high street or any of the other local outlets. I make myself feel better by using Amazon Smile, and I hope I am not being na?ve in believing that they do contribute to worthy causes.  

Mike G

> On 11 Apr 2022, at 18:04, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Yes, if you go to the iplayer website, click on "Channels", then select the one you want it gives you the option watch live. 
> I have to say that I have found Amazon shopping an absolute godsend over the past year or so. I developed cancer last year and had six month of chemo. During that time I found it difficult to leave my bed let alone the house. Although I am now well on the road to recovery, the chemo has left my immune system depleated. Despite being jabbed four times, it is probable that I have no Covid immunity at all. So I am still having to isolate, and shopping is a definate no-no. Amazon Prime has come to my rescue many times, supplying almost all my non-food needs for the past two years.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> On 11 April 2022, at 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Do live progs like Newsnight appear on the iplayer while they're on? I've never looked. But do know the delay before they become available in catchup is variable.
> 
> But I've got a thing about these companies owned by billionaires who pay and treat their workforce badly. Prefer not to add to their millions where I can. And have managed OK without Amazon to date.
> On 11/04/2022 10:11, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> There is cheaper and better way. The seven inch Amazon fire tablet is half price at the moment at ?29.99. Larger screen and more flexable. To watch BBC tv you just open the browser and go to the iplayer website. It has Alexa built in so you can just ask for BBC radio 4. It will also operate an Echo Show. Just swipe down from the top and turn it on. It can also be used as a kindle, and there are an amazing number of free books on the amazon website. Plus it acts as a normal tablet with with a camera and thousands of apps. End of advert.
>> 
>> Have I been turned to the dark side?
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 April 2022, at 09:29, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I look on Alexa as Amazon entrapment, so really don't want to know.  
>> 
>> But, but...  would AMAZON Echo Show 5 (2nd Gen) Smart Display with Alexa, now from Curry's at ?45, service bedside listening to say, Newsnight without taking a 42 inch TV with me?
>> 
>> Will I have sold my soul to Jeff Bezos in buying one?  [Any more than when I buy a water filter online from him?]
>> 
>> What hoops would there be in getting Free-to-air TV and Radio 4 etc 'live'?
>> 
>> Hugh Sheppard
>> 
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Apr 11 13:34:52 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:34:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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Peter, it sounds as if we embarked on pretty much the same journey then. The only difference being that thanks to (Dear God!) John Staple, I got to know Quad founder, Peter Walker pretty well. The result of that being that John and I both got our 34/405 amps at a price affordable on our BBC salaries before they were in the shops. So, the 33/303 fell off my radar very suddenly. I get the Quadness absolutely, and felt hugely privileged to have known the man himself in such pioneering times. Dare I say, a time before pure science gave way to mindboggling pretentious journalistic bullshit!

And just for fun: I had previously already met Peter J Walker at a HiFi shop in Guildford, run by another PJ friend of his and mine, Peter J Oram. Peter Oram was well known in HiFi circles, and chose to spend much of his time in Dorset, training people to Scuba dive. In his absence, his wife Margaret liked to go out ?on the pull? in night clubs etc. My mate Brian and I were in the shop one day, when Margaret was complaining that she had failed to pull the night before. As she finished tarting up for that evening, we noticed that the hair spray she was using was in an aerosol can called ?Antimate?, actually intended for her miniature Poodle bitch! A popular and seductive perfume at the time was ?Intimate?, and without her glasses on that was what she apparently thought she had been using. Oh, for the 1960?s all over again!!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

> On 11 Apr 2022, at 05:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full Belgian Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards and psu on modern pcbs. Their philosophy is to use high quality  components with tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to tweak but not fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did the npn/pnp mod of the new power transistors. I am told you can measure the improvement but not necessarily hear the difference!  And new big caps too of course.  They were much much better after all that although there?s no way of comparing with the originals fresh out of the box.
>  The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these mods as lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without which I would have made a proper mess of it all, 
> I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing a tiny spring a couple of years before.
> I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland. Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load from RS. Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components.  
> Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness; component update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v (iirc) to give more  headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if you didn?t need vinyl (I did) and a new spark suppressor across the on switch. Always cracked, he said.  
> So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very good. Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no longer speak of the higher frequencies!  They might last for another fifty years.
> 
> Peter Fox

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Apr 12 03:16:47 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:16:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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I, too, invested in 33/303 amps years ago, and like Nick Ware, knew PJ Equipment in Guildford, from where I bought two Quad ESL?s. The earlier Quads were from a retail chain in Reigate who offered an official discount to BBC staff. Later upgraded to 44/405 which I still have. The pre-amp went back to Huntingdon a while ago, because the on/off switch failed to latch. I didn?t feel competent enough to replace it myself.
For some reason I also sent the 405 and they performed a super upgrade on that, with replacement caps and speaker connect posts amongst other tweaks. As I was using the set-up for playback jobs, I had Charles Smith, ex Samcine Cases, make me a bespoke case for them, with a panel at the rear to mount every sort of connector I could think of, from phono to XLR, and 4mm bananas, bare wire screw posts & Neutrik speaker sockets. By that time I had all sorts of metal punches of the right diameters!
The ESL?s were sold to an antique Hi-fi dealer near Bristol, together with my Tannoy Chatsworth speakers ? he unscrewed the backs to ascertain that they were genuine dual cone drivers inside. Thanks here to Nick Ware, who provided me with Dutch BNS speakers with which I am happily content, but living in a flat, cannot let them rip to their utmost capability!
In talking to Huntingdon, I asked why they never provided a remote control ? simple commands only needed ? on/off and volume, unless one needed the exercise to cross the room! Never got a satisfactory answer, but I believe that from the 99 series on, remotes are now provided. (Vena series?). Perhaps that?s a spin off from the manufacturing in China!!
(The attached pic shows the speaker being used to support an AXBT mic ? sadly not a real one, but a beautifully detailed ceramic trophy which I was awarded).

Pat



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From: Peter Fox via Tech1
Sent: 11 April 2022 05:48
To: Peter Fox via Tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY

I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set about updating them after I lost a channel. 
I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland. Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load from RS. Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components. ?

Peter Fox





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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Apr 12 07:06:36 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:06:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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100% true story, by the way (Anti Mate), and you can still get it, if anyone feels the need for it.
?Product details:
A unique blend of natural ingredients to help deter unwanted attention from males when females are in heat. 
Spray around the rear end of females as and when needed - (etc.)?.

There, with the exception of the word Strange - and maybe Sound  - how far from the above subject heading is it possible to get?
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

> On 11 Apr 2022, at 19:34, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Peter, it sounds as if we embarked on pretty much the same journey then. The only difference being that thanks to (Dear God!) John Staple, I got to know Quad founder, Peter Walker pretty well. The result of that being that John and I both got our 34/405 amps at a price affordable on our BBC salaries before they were in the shops. So, the 33/303 fell off my radar very suddenly. I get the Quadness absolutely, and felt hugely privileged to have known the man himself in such pioneering times. Dare I say, a time before pure science gave way to mindboggling pretentious journalistic bullshit!
> 
> And just for fun: I had previously already met Peter J Walker at a HiFi shop in Guildford, run by another PJ friend of his and mine, Peter J Oram. Peter Oram was well known in HiFi circles, and chose to spend much of his time in Dorset, training people to Scuba dive. In his absence, his wife Margaret liked to go out ?on the pull? in night clubs etc. My mate Brian and I were in the shop one day, when Margaret was complaining that she had failed to pull the night before. As she finished tarting up for that evening, we noticed that the hair spray she was using was in an aerosol can called ?Antimate?, actually intended for her miniature Poodle bitch! A popular and seductive perfume at the time was ?Intimate?, and without her glasses on that was what she apparently thought she had been using. Oh, for the 1960?s all over again!!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Apr 12 09:24:37 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:24:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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Reading your accounts Peter &Nick of half a century?s loyalty to Quad has 
been fascinating. I seem to recall some while ago exchanges between those of 
us who had accompanied John Staple on visits to Huntingdon and Peter Walker 
(with the compulsory scoot up the road to the perimeter fence of the US Air 
Force base thrown in!).
I wondered if either of you might at any point have been tempted by Arthur 
Radford's designs which, as well as being offered as commercially built 
items, were offered as constructional projects in Hi Fi News - the MA15 
Power Amp over the 4 months issues June - Sept 1962, the SC2 preamp over the 
following 4 months. I made these but mono was hardly the thing by the mid 
60's at which time I was sharing my Croydon flat with Keith Warren & John 
Couzens and Keith bought the later Radford STA25/SC22 combo which obviously 
took pride of place over my set up. Some time later Derek Miller Timmins, 
who was not only a Radford man but knew Arthur Radford personally, obtained 
a second MA15 for me which had done service on the test bench at Radford's 
labs in Bristol. I used it together with my home built one for many years 
with a Dynaco preamp.

The most novel feature of the power amp design (Bailey & Radford) was the 
use of a 6U8/ECF82 triode pentode in the phase splitter circuitry in place 
of the usual twin triodes. Within the last decade the STA25 has been 
recreated and marketed to order at circa ?3000 (Radford Revival).

John Staple, Keith and I had numerous comparison sessions between the Quad 
II's/ 22 and the STA25 - like most addictions I don't think anyone was ever 
swayed away from their own loyalties!

Last thought - 8 months of patience to get the designs from start to finish. 
Hardly fits todays pace of living!

Dave Newbitt.

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 7:34 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY

Peter, it sounds as if we embarked on pretty much the same journey then. The 
only difference being that thanks to (Dear God!) John Staple, I got to know 
Quad founder, Peter Walker pretty well. The result of that being that John 
and I both got our 34/405 amps at a price affordable on our BBC salaries 
before they were in the shops. So, the 33/303 fell off my radar very 
suddenly. I get the Quadness absolutely, and felt hugely privileged to have 
known the man himself in such pioneering times. Dare I say, a time before 
pure science gave way to mindboggling pretentious journalistic bullshit!

And just for fun: I had previously already met Peter J Walker at a HiFi shop 
in Guildford, run by another PJ friend of his and mine, Peter J Oram. Peter 
Oram was well known in HiFi circles, and chose to spend much of his time in 
Dorset, training people to Scuba dive. In his absence, his wife Margaret 
liked to go out ?on the pull? in night clubs etc. My mate Brian and I were 
in the shop one day, when Margaret was complaining that she had failed to 
pull the night before. As she finished tarting up for that evening, we 
noticed that the hair spray she was using was in an aerosol can called 
?Antimate?, actually intended for her miniature Poodle bitch! A popular and 
seductive perfume at the time was ?Intimate?, and without her glasses on 
that was what she apparently thought she had been using. Oh, for the 1960?s 
all over again!!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

> On 11 Apr 2022, at 05:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?
> I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set 
> about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full Belgian 
> Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards and psu on 
> modern pcbs. Their philosophy is to use high quality  components with 
> tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to tweak but not 
> fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did the npn/pnp mod of 
> the new power transistors. I am told you can measure the improvement but 
> not necessarily hear the difference!  And new big caps too of course. 
> They were much much better after all that although there?s no way of 
> comparing with the originals fresh out of the box.
>  The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of 
> diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these mods as 
> lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without which I 
> would have made a proper mess of it all,
> I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing a 
> tiny spring a couple of years before.
> I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I 
> bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland. 
> Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few 
> emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load 
> from RS. Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was 
> devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components.
> Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness; component 
> update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v (iirc) to give more 
> headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if you didn?t need vinyl (I 
> did) and a new spark suppressor across the on switch. Always cracked, he 
> said.
> So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very good. 
> Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no longer speak of 
> the higher frequencies!  They might last for another fifty years.
>
> Peter Fox
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Apr 12 10:31:16 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:31:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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It never ceases to amaze me what people will pay for 'revival' designs. 
Far more than when current production. Would you believe ?23k for a Linn 
turntable?

On 12/04/2022 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Reading your accounts Peter &Nick of half a century?s loyalty to Quad 
> has been fascinating. I seem to recall some while ago exchanges 
> between those of us who had accompanied John Staple on visits to 
> Huntingdon and Peter Walker (with the compulsory scoot up the road to 
> the perimeter fence of the US Air Force base thrown in!).
> I wondered if either of you might at any point have been tempted by 
> Arthur Radford's designs which, as well as being offered as 
> commercially built items, were offered as constructional projects in 
> Hi Fi News - the MA15 Power Amp over the 4 months issues June - Sept 
> 1962, the SC2 preamp over the following 4 months. I made these but 
> mono was hardly the thing by the mid 60's at which time I was sharing 
> my Croydon flat with Keith Warren & John Couzens and Keith bought the 
> later Radford STA25/SC22 combo which obviously took pride of place 
> over my set up. Some time later Derek Miller Timmins, who was not only 
> a Radford man but knew Arthur Radford personally, obtained a second 
> MA15 for me which had done service on the test bench at Radford's labs 
> in Bristol. I used it together with my home built one for many years 
> with a Dynaco preamp.
>
> The most novel feature of the power amp design (Bailey & Radford) was 
> the use of a 6U8/ECF82 triode pentode in the phase splitter circuitry 
> in place of the usual twin triodes. Within the last decade the STA25 
> has been recreated and marketed to order at circa ?3000 (Radford 
> Revival).
>
> John Staple, Keith and I had numerous comparison sessions between the 
> Quad II's/ 22 and the STA25 - like most addictions I don't think 
> anyone was ever swayed away from their own loyalties!
>
> Last thought - 8 months of patience to get the designs from start to 
> finish. Hardly fits todays pace of living!
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 7:34 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
>
> Peter, it sounds as if we embarked on pretty much the same journey 
> then. The only difference being that thanks to (Dear God!) John 
> Staple, I got to know Quad founder, Peter Walker pretty well. The 
> result of that being that John and I both got our 34/405 amps at a 
> price affordable on our BBC salaries before they were in the shops. 
> So, the 33/303 fell off my radar very suddenly. I get the Quadness 
> absolutely, and felt hugely privileged to have known the man himself 
> in such pioneering times. Dare I say, a time before pure science gave 
> way to mindboggling pretentious journalistic bullshit!
>
> And just for fun: I had previously already met Peter J Walker at a 
> HiFi shop in Guildford, run by another PJ friend of his and mine, 
> Peter J Oram. Peter Oram was well known in HiFi circles, and chose to 
> spend much of his time in Dorset, training people to Scuba dive. In 
> his absence, his wife Margaret liked to go out ?on the pull? in night 
> clubs etc. My mate Brian and I were in the shop one day, when Margaret 
> was complaining that she had failed to pull the night before. As she 
> finished tarting up for that evening, we noticed that the hair spray 
> she was using was in an aerosol can called ?Antimate?, actually 
> intended for her miniature Poodle bitch! A popular and seductive 
> perfume at the time was ?Intimate?, and without her glasses on that 
> was what she apparently thought she had been using. Oh, for the 1960?s 
> all over again!!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
>> On 11 Apr 2022, at 05:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set 
>> about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full 
>> Belgian Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards 
>> and psu on modern pcbs. Their philosophy is to use high quality? 
>> components with tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to 
>> tweak but not fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did 
>> the npn/pnp mod of the new power transistors. I am told you can 
>> measure the improvement but not necessarily hear the difference!? And 
>> new big caps too of course. They were much much better after all that 
>> although there?s no way of comparing with the originals fresh out of 
>> the box.
>> ?The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of 
>> diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these 
>> mods as lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without 
>> which I would have made a proper mess of it all,
>> I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing 
>> a tiny spring a couple of years before.
>> I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so 
>> I bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern 
>> Ireland. Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he 
>> helped me via a few emails and some components that I would have had 
>> to buy by the barrow load from RS. Of course I could have switched to 
>> a 34 at that point but it was devil you know and easily (with 
>> practice) replaceable components.
>> Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness; 
>> component update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v 
>> (iirc) to give more headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if 
>> you didn?t need vinyl (I did) and a new spark suppressor across the 
>> on switch. Always cracked, he said.
>> So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very 
>> good. Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no 
>> longer speak of the higher frequencies!? They might last for another 
>> fifty years.
>>
>> Peter Fox


From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Wed Apr 13 03:02:59 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:02:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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No Radfords but I did retire the Quads to the computer room for a while (overkill) and replaced them with a pair of mono Leak TL25s that Jeff Goodwin gave me and which I restored somewhat as they had that distinctive smell of slightly charred resistors and waxy capacitors. I did that with useful tips and a couple of  massive difficult to source high voltage capacitors from Mike Izwicki (approx spelling) TVC engineer and vintage radio enthusiast. They were a bit hummy and noisy at very low level, but it wasn?t very intrusive and gave a sort of romantic retro feel even in the eighties. They seemed to suit the IMF TLS 50 transmission line speakers (as did the Quad) but maybe a bit less muddled at high volume. In retrospect it was probably my ears that couldn?t cope. Potentially they were still window rattlers but we had moved to a Victorian semi by then! I note from googling that Radfords have and presumably had loads of very neat pcbs under the chassis whereas the Leaks are point to point wiring and therefore probably easier to ?refresh?

I had my GP invite for Shingles yesterday. How are you managing now Dave N? Update? They offer Zostavax and Shingrix. 52% efficient against up to 97% so Zostavax is no longer offered in America. And Shingrix works beyond age 80. No contest? There?s a snag. An ?association? not proven as causal, between Shingrix and Guillane Barr? which does neurological damage over several weeks but in a few cases can cause paralysis and need breathing assistance, or is, very rarely, fatal. So GB warrants a precautionary hospital stay (if there?s room in a corridor for you) Now, it?s only 6 in one million chance of getting GB within 42 days of the Shingrix first jab (it said) But what are the odds of getting Shingles itself?
And  I haven?t yet found how Shingrix relates to the Covid booster which is also on offer to me now from both the NHS and Guys&StTommies but not the GP (yet?).
Dilemma.

I am sorry you have had a worrying and stressful lockdown Doug. Best wishes for a sustained recovery, it must have traumatic getting treatment with covid all around.

 
Peter Fox

On 12 Apr 2022, at 16:31, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?It never ceases to amaze me what people will pay for 'revival' designs. Far more than when current production. Would you believe ?23k for a Linn turntable?

On 12/04/2022 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Reading your accounts Peter &Nick of half a century?s loyalty to Quad has been fascinating. I seem to recall some while ago exchanges between those of us who had accompanied John Staple on visits to Huntingdon and Peter Walker (with the compulsory scoot up the road to the perimeter fence of the US Air Force base thrown in!).
> I wondered if either of you might at any point have been tempted by Arthur Radford's designs which, as well as being offered as commercially built items, were offered as constructional projects in Hi Fi News - the MA15 Power Amp over the 4 months issues June - Sept 1962, the SC2 preamp over the following 4 months. I made these but mono was hardly the thing by the mid 60's at which time I was sharing my Croydon flat with Keith Warren & John Couzens and Keith bought the later Radford STA25/SC22 combo which obviously took pride of place over my set up. Some time later Derek Miller Timmins, who was not only a Radford man but knew Arthur Radford personally, obtained a second MA15 for me which had done service on the test bench at Radford's labs in Bristol. I used it together with my home built one for many years with a Dynaco preamp.
> 
> The most novel feature of the power amp design (Bailey & Radford) was the use of a 6U8/ECF82 triode pentode in the phase splitter circuitry in place of the usual twin triodes. Within the last decade the STA25 has been recreated and marketed to order at circa ?3000 (Radford Revival).
> 
> John Staple, Keith and I had numerous comparison sessions between the Quad II's/ 22 and the STA25 - like most addictions I don't think anyone was ever swayed away from their own loyalties!
> 
> Last thought - 8 months of patience to get the designs from start to finish. Hardly fits todays pace of living!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 7:34 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
> 
> Peter, it sounds as if we embarked on pretty much the same journey then. The only difference being that thanks to (Dear God!) John Staple, I got to know Quad founder, Peter Walker pretty well. The result of that being that John and I both got our 34/405 amps at a price affordable on our BBC salaries before they were in the shops. So, the 33/303 fell off my radar very suddenly I get the Quadness absolutely, and felt hugely privileged to have known the man himself in such pioneering times. Dare I say, a time before pure science gave way to mindboggling pretentious journalistic bullshit!
> 
> And just for fun: I had previously already met Peter J Walker at a HiFi shop in Guildford, run by another PJ friend of his and mine, Peter J Oram. Peter Oram was well known in HiFi circles, and chose to spend much of his time in Dorset, training people to Scuba dive. In his absence, his wife Margaret liked to go out ?on the pull? in night clubs etc. My mate Brian and I were in the shop one day, when Margaret was complaining that she had failed to pull the night before. As she finished tarting up for that evening, we noticed that the hair spray she was using was in an aerosol can called ?Antimate?, actually intended for her miniature Poodle bitch! A popular and seductive perfume at the time was ?Intimate?, and without her glasses on that was what she apparently thought she had been using. Oh, for the 1960?s all over again!!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2022, at 05:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full Belgian Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards and psu on modern pcbs Their philosophy is to use high quality  components with tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to tweak but not fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did the npn/pnp mod of the new power transistors. I am told you can measure the improvement but not necessarily hear the difference!  And new big caps too of course. They were much much better after all that although there?s no way of comparing with the originals fresh out of the box.
>>  The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these mods as lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without which I would have made a proper mess of it all,
>> I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing a tiny spring a couple of years before.
>> I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland. Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load from RS. Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components.
>> Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness; component update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v (iirc) to give more headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if you didn?t need vinyl (I did) and a new spark suppressor across the on switch. Always cracked, he said.
>> So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very good. Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no longer speak of the higher frequencies!  They might last for another fifty years.
>> 
>> Peter Fox

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Apr 13 04:20:13 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:20:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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I got an SMS? from? my surgery asking me to book a shingles jab if I 
wanted it. Phoned them up to make an appointment, and asked if it 
mattered than I'd had my second booster a few days before. (With that, I 
was asked if I'd had any jab within the previous two weeks.) Was put on 
hold while she asked a doctor. No answer given, so they said they'd get 
back to me. And haven't. But that two weeks was up Sunday, so I'll just 
try again.

On 13/04/2022 09:02, Peter Fox wrote:
> No Radfords but I did retire the Quads to the computer room for a while (overkill) and replaced them with a pair of mono Leak TL25s that Jeff Goodwin gave me and which I restored somewhat as they had that distinctive smell of slightly charred resistors and waxy capacitors. I did that with useful tips and a couple of  massive difficult to source high voltage capacitors from Mike Izwicki (approx spelling) TVC engineer and vintage radio enthusiast. They were a bit hummy and noisy at very low level, but it wasn?t very intrusive and gave a sort of romantic retro feel even in the eighties. They seemed to suit the IMF TLS 50 transmission line speakers (as did the Quad) but maybe a bit less muddled at high volume. In retrospect it was probably my ears that couldn?t cope. Potentially they were still window rattlers but we had moved to a Victorian semi by then! I note from googling that Radfords have and presumably had loads of very neat pcbs under the chassis whereas the Leaks are point to point wiring and therefore probably easier to ?refresh?
>
> I had my GP invite for Shingles yesterday. How are you managing now Dave N? Update? They offer Zostavax and Shingrix. 52% efficient against up to 97% so Zostavax is no longer offered in America. And Shingrix works beyond age 80. No contest? There?s a snag. An ?association? not proven as causal, between Shingrix and Guillane Barr? which does neurological damage over several weeks but in a few cases can cause paralysis and need breathing assistance, or is, very rarely, fatal. So GB warrants a precautionary hospital stay (if there?s room in a corridor for you) Now, it?s only 6 in one million chance of getting GB within 42 days of the Shingrix first jab (it said) But what are the odds of getting Shingles itself?
> And  I haven?t yet found how Shingrix relates to the Covid booster which is also on offer to me now from both the NHS and Guys&StTommies but not the GP (yet?).
> Dilemma.
>
> I am sorry you have had a worrying and stressful lockdown Doug. Best wishes for a sustained recovery, it must have traumatic getting treatment with covid all around.
>
>   
> Peter Fox
>
> On 12 Apr 2022, at 16:31, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?It never ceases to amaze me what people will pay for 'revival' designs. Far more than when current production. Would you believe ?23k for a Linn turntable?
>
> On 12/04/2022 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Reading your accounts Peter &Nick of half a century?s loyalty to Quad has been fascinating. I seem to recall some while ago exchanges between those of us who had accompanied John Staple on visits to Huntingdon and Peter Walker (with the compulsory scoot up the road to the perimeter fence of the US Air Force base thrown in!).
>> I wondered if either of you might at any point have been tempted by Arthur Radford's designs which, as well as being offered as commercially built items, were offered as constructional projects in Hi Fi News - the MA15 Power Amp over the 4 months issues June - Sept 1962, the SC2 preamp over the following 4 months. I made these but mono was hardly the thing by the mid 60's at which time I was sharing my Croydon flat with Keith Warren & John Couzens and Keith bought the later Radford STA25/SC22 combo which obviously took pride of place over my set up. Some time later Derek Miller Timmins, who was not only a Radford man but knew Arthur Radford personally, obtained a second MA15 for me which had done service on the test bench at Radford's labs in Bristol. I used it together with my home built one for many years with a Dynaco preamp.
>>
>> The most novel feature of the power amp design (Bailey & Radford) was the use of a 6U8/ECF82 triode pentode in the phase splitter circuitry in place of the usual twin triodes. Within the last decade the STA25 has been recreated and marketed to order at circa ?3000 (Radford Revival).
>>
>> John Staple, Keith and I had numerous comparison sessions between the Quad II's/ 22 and the STA25 - like most addictions I don't think anyone was ever swayed away from their own loyalties!
>>
>> Last thought - 8 months of patience to get the designs from start to finish. Hardly fits todays pace of living!
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 7:34 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
>>
>> Peter, it sounds as if we embarked on pretty much the same journey then. The only difference being that thanks to (Dear God!) John Staple, I got to know Quad founder, Peter Walker pretty well. The result of that being that John and I both got our 34/405 amps at a price affordable on our BBC salaries before they were in the shops. So, the 33/303 fell off my radar very suddenly I get the Quadness absolutely, and felt hugely privileged to have known the man himself in such pioneering times. Dare I say, a time before pure science gave way to mindboggling pretentious journalistic bullshit!
>>
>> And just for fun: I had previously already met Peter J Walker at a HiFi shop in Guildford, run by another PJ friend of his and mine, Peter J Oram. Peter Oram was well known in HiFi circles, and chose to spend much of his time in Dorset, training people to Scuba dive. In his absence, his wife Margaret liked to go out ?on the pull? in night clubs etc. My mate Brian and I were in the shop one day, when Margaret was complaining that she had failed to pull the night before. As she finished tarting up for that evening, we noticed that the hair spray she was using was in an aerosol can called ?Antimate?, actually intended for her miniature Poodle bitch! A popular and seductive perfume at the time was ?Intimate?, and without her glasses on that was what she apparently thought she had been using. Oh, for the 1960?s all over again!!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>>
>>> On 11 Apr 2022, at 05:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full Belgian Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards and psu on modern pcbs Their philosophy is to use high quality  components with tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to tweak but not fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did the npn/pnp mod of the new power transistors. I am told you can measure the improvement but not necessarily hear the difference!  And new big caps too of course. They were much much better after all that although there?s no way of comparing with the originals fresh out of the box.
>>>   The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these mods as lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without which I would have made a proper mess of it all,
>>> I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing a tiny spring a couple of years before.
>>> I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland. Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load from RS. Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components.
>>> Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness; component update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v (iirc) to give more headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if you didn?t need vinyl (I did) and a new spark suppressor across the on switch. Always cracked, he said.
>>> So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very good. Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no longer speak of the higher frequencies!  They might last for another fifty years.
>>>
>>> Peter Fox

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 04:20:03 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:20:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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I had Shingrix in December/ January without problems.

And....... What about the hignify sound?

B

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 09:03 Peter Fox via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> No Radfords but I did retire the Quads to the computer room for a while
> (overkill) and replaced them with a pair of mono Leak TL25s that Jeff
> Goodwin gave me and which I restored somewhat as they had that distinctive
> smell of slightly charred resistors and waxy capacitors. I did that with
> useful tips and a couple of  massive difficult to source high voltage
> capacitors from Mike Izwicki (approx spelling) TVC engineer and vintage
> radio enthusiast. They were a bit hummy and noisy at very low level, but it
> wasn?t very intrusive and gave a sort of romantic retro feel even in the
> eighties. They seemed to suit the IMF TLS 50 transmission line speakers (as
> did the Quad) but maybe a bit less muddled at high volume. In retrospect it
> was probably my ears that couldn?t cope. Potentially they were still window
> rattlers but we had moved to a Victorian semi by then! I note from googling
> that Radfords have and presumably had loads of very neat pcbs under the
> chassis whereas the Leaks are point to point wiring and therefore probably
> easier to ?refresh?
>
> I had my GP invite for Shingles yesterday. How are you managing now Dave
> N? Update? They offer Zostavax and Shingrix. 52% efficient against up to
> 97% so Zostavax is no longer offered in America. And Shingrix works beyond
> age 80. No contest? There?s a snag. An ?association? not proven as causal,
> between Shingrix and Guillane Barr? which does neurological damage over
> several weeks but in a few cases can cause paralysis and need breathing
> assistance, or is, very rarely, fatal. So GB warrants a precautionary
> hospital stay (if there?s room in a corridor for you) Now, it?s only 6 in
> one million chance of getting GB within 42 days of the Shingrix first jab
> (it said) But what are the odds of getting Shingles itself?
> And  I haven?t yet found how Shingrix relates to the Covid booster which
> is also on offer to me now from both the NHS and Guys&StTommies but not the
> GP (yet?).
> Dilemma.
>
> I am sorry you have had a worrying and stressful lockdown Doug. Best
> wishes for a sustained recovery, it must have traumatic getting treatment
> with covid all around.
>
>
> Peter Fox
>
> On 12 Apr 2022, at 16:31, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?It never ceases to amaze me what people will pay for 'revival' designs.
> Far more than when current production. Would you believe ?23k for a Linn
> turntable?
>
> On 12/04/2022 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> > Reading your accounts Peter &Nick of half a century?s loyalty to Quad
> has been fascinating. I seem to recall some while ago exchanges between
> those of us who had accompanied John Staple on visits to Huntingdon and
> Peter Walker (with the compulsory scoot up the road to the perimeter fence
> of the US Air Force base thrown in!).
> > I wondered if either of you might at any point have been tempted by
> Arthur Radford's designs which, as well as being offered as commercially
> built items, were offered as constructional projects in Hi Fi News - the
> MA15 Power Amp over the 4 months issues June - Sept 1962, the SC2 preamp
> over the following 4 months. I made these but mono was hardly the thing by
> the mid 60's at which time I was sharing my Croydon flat with Keith Warren
> & John Couzens and Keith bought the later Radford STA25/SC22 combo which
> obviously took pride of place over my set up. Some time later Derek Miller
> Timmins, who was not only a Radford man but knew Arthur Radford personally,
> obtained a second MA15 for me which had done service on the test bench at
> Radford's labs in Bristol. I used it together with my home built one for
> many years with a Dynaco preamp.
> >
> > The most novel feature of the power amp design (Bailey & Radford) was
> the use of a 6U8/ECF82 triode pentode in the phase splitter circuitry in
> place of the usual twin triodes. Within the last decade the STA25 has been
> recreated and marketed to order at circa ?3000 (Radford Revival).
> >
> > John Staple, Keith and I had numerous comparison sessions between the
> Quad II's/ 22 and the STA25 - like most addictions I don't think anyone was
> ever swayed away from their own loyalties!
> >
> > Last thought - 8 months of patience to get the designs from start to
> finish. Hardly fits todays pace of living!
> >
> > Dave Newbitt.
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 7:34 PM
> > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
> >
> > Peter, it sounds as if we embarked on pretty much the same journey then.
> The only difference being that thanks to (Dear God!) John Staple, I got to
> know Quad founder, Peter Walker pretty well. The result of that being that
> John and I both got our 34/405 amps at a price affordable on our BBC
> salaries before they were in the shops. So, the 33/303 fell off my radar
> very suddenly I get the Quadness absolutely, and felt hugely privileged to
> have known the man himself in such pioneering times. Dare I say, a time
> before pure science gave way to mindboggling pretentious journalistic
> bullshit!
> >
> > And just for fun: I had previously already met Peter J Walker at a HiFi
> shop in Guildford, run by another PJ friend of his and mine, Peter J Oram.
> Peter Oram was well known in HiFi circles, and chose to spend much of his
> time in Dorset, training people to Scuba dive. In his absence, his wife
> Margaret liked to go out ?on the pull? in night clubs etc. My mate Brian
> and I were in the shop one day, when Margaret was complaining that she had
> failed to pull the night before. As she finished tarting up for that
> evening, we noticed that the hair spray she was using was in an aerosol can
> called ?Antimate?, actually intended for her miniature Poodle bitch! A
> popular and seductive perfume at the time was ?Intimate?, and without her
> glasses on that was what she apparently thought she had been using. Oh, for
> the 1960?s all over again!!
> > Cheers,
> > Nick.
> >
> > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> >
> >> On 11 Apr 2022, at 05:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?
> >> I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set
> about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full Belgian
> Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards and psu on
> modern pcbs Their philosophy is to use high quality  components with
> tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to tweak but not
> fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did the npn/pnp mod of the
> new power transistors. I am told you can measure the improvement but not
> necessarily hear the difference!  And new big caps too of course. They were
> much much better after all that although there?s no way of comparing with
> the originals fresh out of the box.
> >>  The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of
> diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these mods as
> lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without which I would
> have made a proper mess of it all,
> >> I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing a
> tiny spring a couple of years before.
> >> I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I
> bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland.
> Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few
> emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load
> from RS. Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was
> devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components.
> >> Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness;
> component update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v (iirc) to
> give more headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if you didn?t need
> vinyl (I did) and a new spark suppressor across the on switch. Always
> cracked, he said.
> >> So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very
> good. Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no longer
> speak of the higher frequencies!  They might last for another fifty years.
> >>
> >> Peter Fox
>
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Wed Apr 13 04:48:12 2022
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:48:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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We watched the previous week with Clive Myrie being very mischievious and twinkly apparently just a few days after wandering round all kitted up in Ukraine and before that sitting at a serious desk,  and weren?t sure it was the same bloke. No prob with ?live?  sound that week.  It was from Sudbury TX if that helps. 
That?s good Bernie. Only 999,999 others to worry about then. 

Peter Fox

On 13 Apr 2022, at 10:20, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I had Shingrix in December/ January without problems. 

And....... What about the hignify sound?

B

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 09:03 Peter Fox via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> No Radfords but I did retire the Quads to the computer room for a while (overkill) and replaced them with a pair of mono Leak TL25s that Jeff Goodwin gave me and which I restored somewhat as they had that distinctive smell of slightly charred resistors and waxy capacitors. I did that with useful tips and a couple of  massive difficult to source high voltage capacitors from Mike Izwicki (approx spelling) TVC engineer and vintage radio enthusiast. They were a bit hummy and noisy at very low level, but it wasn?t very intrusive and gave a sort of romantic retro feel even in the eighties. They seemed to suit the IMF TLS 50 transmission line speakers (as did the Quad) but maybe a bit less muddled at high volume. In retrospect it was probably my ears that couldn?t cope. Potentially they were still window rattlers but we had moved to a Victorian semi by then! I note from googling that Radfords have and presumably had loads of very neat pcbs under the chassis whereas the Leaks are point to point wiring and therefore probably easier to ?refresh?
> 
> I had my GP invite for Shingles yesterday. How are you managing now Dave N? Update? They offer Zostavax and Shingrix. 52% efficient against up to 97% so Zostavax is no longer offered in America. And Shingrix works beyond age 80 No contest? There?s a snag. An ?association? not proven as causal, between Shingrix and Guillane Barr? which does neurological damage over several weeks but in a few cases can cause paralysis and need breathing assistance, or is, very rarely, fatal. So GB warrants a precautionary hospital stay (if there?s room in a corridor for you) Now, it?s only 6 in one million chance of getting GB within 42 days of the Shingrix first jab (it said) But what are the odds of getting Shingles itself?
> And  I haven?t yet found how Shingrix relates to the Covid booster which is also on offer to me now from both the NHS and Guys&StTommies but not the GP (yet?).
> Dilemma.
> 
> I am sorry you have had a worrying and stressful lockdown Doug. Best wishes for a sustained recovery, it must have traumatic getting treatment with covid all around.
> 
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 12 Apr 2022, at 16:31, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?It never ceases to amaze me what people will pay for 'revival' designs. Far more than when current production. Would you believe ?23k for a Linn turntable?
> 
> On 12/04/2022 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> > Reading your accounts Peter &Nick of half a century?s loyalty to Quad has been fascinating. I seem to recall some while ago exchanges between those of us who had accompanied John Staple on visits to Huntingdon and Peter Walker (with the compulsory scoot up the road to the perimeter fence of the US Air Force base thrown in!).
> > I wondered if either of you might at any point have been tempted by Arthur Radford's designs which, as well as being offered as commercially built items, were offered as constructional projects in Hi Fi News - the MA15 Power Amp over the 4 months issues June - Sept 1962, the SC2 preamp over the following 4 months. I made these but mono was hardly the thing by the mid 60's at which time I was sharing my Croydon flat with Keith Warren & John Couzens and Keith bought the later Radford STA25/SC22 combo which obviously took pride of place over my set up. Some time later Derek Miller Timmins, who was not only a Radford man but knew Arthur Radford personally, obtained a second MA15 for me which had done service on the test bench at Radford's labs in Bristol. I used it together with my home built one for many years with a Dynaco preamp.
> > 
> > The most novel feature of the power amp design (Bailey & Radford) was the use of a 6U8/ECF82 triode pentode in the phase splitter circuitry in place of the usual twin triodes. Within the last decade the STA25 has been recreated and marketed to order at circa ?3000 (Radford Revival).
> > 
> > John Staple, Keith and I had numerous comparison sessions between the Quad II's/ 22 and the STA25 - like most addictions I don't think anyone was ever swayed away from their own loyalties!
> > 
> > Last thought - 8 months of patience to get the designs from start to finish. Hardly fits todays pace of living!
> > 
> > Dave Newbitt.
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 7:34 PM
> > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
> > 
> > Peter, it sounds as if we embarked on pretty much the same journey then. The only difference being that thanks to (Dear God!) John Staple, I got to know Quad founder, Peter Walker pretty well. The result of that being that John and I both got our 34/405 amps at a price affordable on our BBC salaries before they were in the shops. So, the 33/303 fell off my radar very suddenly I get the Quadness absolutely, and felt hugely privileged to have known the man himself in such pioneering times. Dare I say, a time before pure science gave way to mindboggling pretentious journalistic bullshit!
> > 
> > And just for fun: I had previously already met Peter J Walker at a HiFi shop in Guildford, run by another PJ friend of his and mine, Peter J Oram. Peter Oram was well known in HiFi circles, and chose to spend much of his time in Dorset, training people to Scuba dive. In his absence, his wife Margaret liked to go out ?on the pull? in night clubs etc. My mate Brian and I were in the shop one day, when Margaret was complaining that she had failed to pull the night before. As she finished tarting up for that evening, we noticed that the hair spray she was using was in an aerosol can called ?Antimate?, actually intended for her miniature Poodle bitch! A popular and seductive perfume at the time was ?Intimate?, and without her glasses on that was what she apparently thought she had been using. Oh, for the 1960?s all over again!!
> > Cheers,
> > Nick.
> > 
> > Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> > 
> >> On 11 Apr 2022, at 05:48, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> ?
> >> I did mean 33 Nick, I have owned a 33/303 set up since 1971 and I set about updating them after I lost a channel. The 303 got the full Belgian Dada Electronics kit of parts, completely new driver boards and psu on modern pcbs Their philosophy is to use high quality  components with tighter tolerances, metal film resistors, and to tweak but not fundamentally change the original layout. Also I did the npn/pnp mod of the new power transistors. I am told you can measure the improvement but not necessarily hear the difference!  And new big caps too of course. They were much much better after all that although there?s no way of comparing with the originals fresh out of the box.
> >>  The 33 revision was a bag of components using Dada?s downloads of diagrams, pics and instructions. I set about actually doing these mods as lockdown therapy, and bought a powered solder sucker, without which I would have made a proper mess of it all,
> >> I had already dismantled and cleaned the push switches, nearly losing a tiny spring a couple of years before.
> >> I had realised my system was going to be out of action for a while so I bought another allegedly restored 33 from a chap in Northern Ireland. Turned out his work was exemplary and not only that he helped me via a few emails and some components that I would have had to buy by the barrow load from RS Of course I could have switched to a 34 at that point but it was devil you know and easily (with practice) replaceable components.
> >> Again, no fundamental changes that would have lost the Quadness; component update, switch clean, raise the voltage to 18 from 12v (iirc) to give more headroom and optional tweaks for a cd player if you didn?t need vinyl (I did) and a new spark suppressor across the on switch. Always cracked, he said.
> >> So.. Monkey see, Monkey do, I finished them both and they are very good Excellent attack, slightly reduced bass roll-off. I can no longer speak of the higher frequencies!  They might last for another fifty years.
> >> 
> >> Peter Fox
> 
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From philiptyler at me.com  Wed Apr 13 05:11:40 2022
From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 11:11:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Home sound streaming stuff.
Message-ID: <2F85E88C-02F5-4DF6-B446-50273379EB1F@me.com>

With as this talk about home sound systems, I thought I would chip in with what I think is a brilliant find.

A couple of years ago I purchased a Yamaha WXAD-10 MusicCast Wireless Streaming Adapter. Nippy little name :)

It transformed my listening! I had invested in a high quality CD player, with a large library of CD?s, I also have a large library on iTunes as well. To listen to my iTunes Library I used to connect my iPad or iPhone to my Cyrus amp by USB. This had me looking for a better and more convenient solution.

The Yamaha can be added to your wireless network. It has Burr Brown DAC?s with RCA analogue audio outputs. It seems to score 5???s in all the reviews. Having got one to try out, I ended up keeping it.

Connected to my Cyrus amplifier setup which bi-amps my Monitor Audio floor standing 703 PMC?s with an SVS Sub, the sound quality is brilliant. Especially considering it cost less than a 1/10 of the cost of my CD player!

Once setup, I can access the Yamaha through Apple AirPlay. My complete music library is on all my Apple devices. Listening to anything is a breeze. Using my iPad I can connect to the Yamaha and listen to anything in the library via AirPlay.

Recently I got a free 6 month subscription to Apple Music. This gives me access to everything they have and all at lossless encoding. I can see myself keeping this as it is proving an excellent resource.

As I mentioned above the sound quality of the Yamaha is pretty amazing. How they did it for the price I don?t know. Which may be why it?s no longer available? Although they are still available online from a few outlets.

Having access to the complete Apple Music library has given me the ability to significantly increase my music knowledge. I have found some amazing stuff to listen to. Although the building foundations might think differently :)

The Yamaha App, gives you access to Internet Radio as well. Usually at a much higher bit rate than DAB. So along with an expensive CD player gather dust, I have a DAB tuner covered in a layer of dust as well.

The nearest to the Yamaha is the Sonos Port, sadly twice the price.

The Yamaha was an excellent find and far cheaper than dedicated streaming devices by manufacturers like Cyrus, Linn, Naim etc. But it?s up there in terms of quality.

Philip and Bee

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 09:43:49 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:43:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember Colortune?
Message-ID: <B6AF22BD-E87E-4FF2-B684-0E42066AE2AE@gmail.com>


Sorting through the shelves in my garage, I found this. I got it from Goldhawk Motors many years ago with the idea of tuning the carburettor, probably an old SU type on my car but as with other bright ideas, never did. Does anyone recognise it or had any experience of using one of these?
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Apr 13 09:45:24 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:45:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember Colortune?
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My brother-in-law had one I seem to remember.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 13 Apr 2022, at 15:43, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorting through the shelves in my garage, I found this. I got it from Goldhawk Motors many years ago with the idea of tuning the carburettor, probably an old SU type on my car but as with other bright ideas, never did. Does anyone recognise it or had any experience of using one of these?
> Geoff 
> 
> <IMG_2358.jpg>
> 
> Geoff
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 09:54:33 2022
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:54:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember Colortune?
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I think Ian Stanyon had one of those. He was my go-to car expert when I had a Sprite in Ealing. I used to tune it's twin carbs
by listening to the airflow into them through a tube I seem to recall - something like that anyway, but I might be getting that
confused with my Lotus of later years.
Geoff F

> On 13 Apr 2022, at 15:45, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> My brother-in-law had one I seem to remember.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 13 Apr 2022, at 15:43, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sorting through the shelves in my garage, I found this. I got it from Goldhawk Motors many years ago with the idea of tuning the carburettor, probably an old SU type on my car but as with other bright ideas, never did. Does anyone recognise it or had any experience of using one of these?
>> Geoff 
>> 
>> <IMG_2358.jpg>
>> 
>> Geoff
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Apr 13 09:55:39 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:55:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember Colortune?
In-Reply-To: <B6AF22BD-E87E-4FF2-B684-0E42066AE2AE@gmail.com>
References: <B6AF22BD-E87E-4FF2-B684-0E42066AE2AE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88C857AE-4B81-4EED-8087-2F894D7DB2A1@me.com>

I bought a similar device donkey's years ago and used it at the time to tune my car in the days when I knew what most of the bits under the bonnet were and what they did.

It was last used a few years ago to tune my old lawn mower, but I can?t even do that any more as my new lawn mower has smaller diameter spark plugs than the gadget was intended for, just as my cars have had for decades. It worked best when used in pretty deep shade, otherwise there wasn?t really much to see as far as I could make out.

It?s gone the way of feeler gauges, strobe lights and specific gravity testers for batteries.

Alan



> On 13 Apr 2022, at 15:44, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Sorting through the shelves in my garage, I found this. I got it from Goldhawk Motors many years ago with the idea of tuning the carburettor, probably an old SU type on my car but as with other bright ideas, never did. Does anyone recognise it or had any experience of using one of these?
> Geoff 
> 
> 
> 
> Geoff
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Apr 13 10:10:26 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:10:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember Colortune?
In-Reply-To: <B6AF22BD-E87E-4FF2-B684-0E42066AE2AE@gmail.com>
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Yes. IIRC, it had a window in it which allowed you to see the colour of 
the burn. And you'd match that to a chart to get the correct mixture. 
Fine for idle mixture, but not really possible to use when actually 
driving. And there was a simpler way of checking an SU was right at idle 
anyway. These days you'd use a wideband O2 sensor. Which can be read 
when driving too. If you still run a car where you can adjust the mixture.

On 13/04/2022 15:43, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> Sorting through the shelves in my garage, I found this. I got it from Goldhawk Motors many years ago with the idea of tuning the carburettor, probably an old SU type on my car but as with other bright ideas, never did. Does anyone recognise it or had any experience of using one of these?
> Geoff
>
>
>
> Geoff
> Sent from my iPhone
>


From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Apr 13 11:18:17 2022
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 17:18:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember Colortune?
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References: <B6AF22BD-E87E-4FF2-B684-0E42066AE2AE@gmail.com>
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How funny - I was only talking about these the other day. I had one that I used back in the day quite successfully as I recall.

Would love one now if you don;t have a need for it anymore Geoff though I?m not sure it will help me with the balancing of the triple carbs on my Jag!

Graham Maunder
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> On 13 Apr 2022, at 15:43, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorting through the shelves in my garage, I found this. I got it from Goldhawk Motors many years ago with the idea of tuning the carburettor, probably an old SU type on my car but as with other bright ideas, never did. Does anyone recognise it or had any experience of using one of these?
> Geoff 
> 
> <IMG_2358.jpg>
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Apr 13 12:21:47 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:21:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
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Indeed Bernie but so many threads seem to fan out in this way, I suppose because there is genuine overlap brought about by an incidental comment from one or other contributor. Perhaps easier to follow the story development though compared to splitting the topic. Pleased your Shingrix experience was positive ? yours is the first report I?ve seen since I first drew attention to the poor dissemination of information through the NHS/GP routes concerning even the existence of an alternative to Zostavax.

So Peter for myself I continue to regret not having had the necessary awareness until after I contracted the virus. Now 3 1/2 months since my symptoms appeared and I am a long way from being what I was. The paralysed arm does, as of a couple of weeks back, show limited but significant movement capability though no strength whatever. Overall function assessment I would put at no more than 25% of what it should be. The rash is still visible, the neuropathic pain/gross over-sensitisation skin reaction constant. Everything points to that continuing for some months. But here?s an odd little footnote.

Yesterday on Points West an item covered a trial about to take place concerning the effectiveness or otherwise of Amitriptylene in combatting post herpetic pain after a shingles attack. Scientists in Bristol are recruiting 500 patients whose symptoms are just beginning so that use of the drug from as early as possible can be evaluated properly. I started Amitriptylene within a few days on a prescribed dosage of 10 mg daily (which the drug info sheet states as the correct level for neuropathic pain). However a string of different medics first doubled then tripled the dosage. Additionally Pregabalin was thrown in at 2 x 25 mg per day, then 3 then 4 then 5 then 6 ? i.e 150 mg per day. I was supposed to build to 200 mg at least but at the 150 level I was feeling (and apparently registering with others as) drugged to the eyeballs. I unilaterally decided to wean myself off the Pregabalin and reduce the Amitriptylene back to the original 10 mg which I did gradually and finally, after a further couple of weeks, discontinued the Amitryptylene completely.

My point is this ? what was the advice for these higher doses based on exactly? The drug manufacturers certainly sanction higher levels for anti-depression use and indeed epilepsy control but not, as yet, for neuropathic pain. The TV item suggested that the only evidence to support even the 10 mg Amitriptylene arose from a very small scale trial conducted many, many years ago. Hence the now recognised need for something a little more scientifically substantial.

I would like to join with Peter in wishing Doug (& Sue) better times ahead.

Thank you for checking up on me!

Dave Newbitt. 

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 10:20 AM
To: Peter Fox 
Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY

I had Shingrix in December/ January without problems.  

And....... What about the hignify sound?

B

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 09:03 Peter Fox via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  No Radfords but I did retire the Quads to the computer room for a while (overkill) and replaced them with a pair of mono Leak TL25s that Jeff Goodwin gave me and which I restored somewhat as they had that distinctive smell of slightly charred resistors and waxy capacitors. I did that with useful tips and a couple of  massive difficult to source high voltage capacitors from Mike Izwicki (approx spelling) TVC engineer and vintage radio enthusiast. They were a bit hummy and noisy at very low level, but it wasn?t very intrusive and gave a sort of romantic retro feel even in the eighties. They seemed to suit the IMF TLS 50 transmission line speakers (as did the Quad) but maybe a bit less muddled at high volume. In retrospect it was probably my ears that couldn?t cope. Potentially they were still window rattlers but we had moved to a Victorian semi by then! I note from googling that Radfords have and presumably had loads of very neat pcbs under the chassis whereas the Leaks are point to point wiring and therefore probably easier to ?refresh?

  I had my GP invite for Shingles yesterday. How are you managing now Dave N? Update? They offer Zostavax and Shingrix. 52% efficient against up to 97% so Zostavax is no longer offered in America. And Shingrix works beyond age 80. No contest? There?s a snag. An ?association? not proven as causal, between Shingrix and Guillane Barr? which does neurological damage over several weeks but in a few cases can cause paralysis and need breathing assistance, or is, very rarely, fatal. So GB warrants a precautionary hospital stay (if there?s room in a corridor for you) Now, it?s only 6 in one million chance of getting GB within 42 days of the Shingrix first jab (it said) But what are the odds of getting Shingles itself?
  And  I haven?t yet found how Shingrix relates to the Covid booster which is also on offer to me now from both the NHS and Guys&StTommies but not the GP (yet?).
  Dilemma.

  I am sorry you have had a worrying and stressful lockdown Doug. Best wishes for a sustained recovery, it must have traumatic getting treatment with covid all around.


  Peter Fox

  On 12 Apr 2022, at 16:31, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  ?It never ceases to amaze me what people will pay for 'revival' designs. Far more than when current production. Would you believe ?23k for a Linn turntable?

  On 12/04/2022 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
  > Reading your accounts Peter &Nick of half a century?s loyalty to Quad has been fascinating. I seem to recall some while ago exchanges between those of us who had accompanied John Staple on visits to Huntingdon and Peter Walker (with the compulsory scoot up the road to the perimeter fence of the US Air Force base thrown in!).
  > I wondered if either of you might at any point have been tempted by Arthur Radford's designs which, as well as being offered as commercially built items, were offered as constructional projects in Hi Fi News - the MA15 Power Amp over the 4 months issues June - Sept 1962, the SC2 preamp over the following 4 months. I made these but mono was hardly the thing by the mid 60's at which time I was sharing my Croydon flat with Keith Warren & John Couzens and Keith bought the later Radford STA25/SC22 combo which obviously took pride of place over my set up. Some time later Derek Miller Timmins, who was not only a Radford man but knew Arthur Radford personally, obtained a second MA15 for me which had done service on the test bench at Radford's labs in Bristol. I used it together with my home built one for many years with a Dynaco preamp.
  > 
  > The most novel feature of the power amp design (Bailey & Radford) was the use of a 6U8/ECF82 triode pentode in the phase splitter circuitry in place of the usual twin triodes. Within the last decade the STA25 has been recreated and marketed to order at circa ?3000 (Radford Revival).
  > 
  > John Staple, Keith and I had numerous comparison sessions between the Quad II's/ 22 and the STA25 - like most addictions I don't think anyone was ever swayed away from their own loyalties!
  > 
  > Last thought - 8 months of patience to get the designs from start to finish. Hardly fits todays pace of living!
  > 
  > Dave Newbitt.
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Wed Apr 13 14:15:21 2022
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 20:15:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY
In-Reply-To: <CA84867306864DF1A45D106449F661BB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <280d17f0-b38f-3443-adb4-0528b48196cd@davesound.co.uk><1F551175-A762-4344-80FF-1552A4B184CD@zero51.force9.co.uk><CAA7MLyEFsham3T97cY5yqiqj=3Gt=m5r_hhcwM9tn6B=r5aXdg@mail.gmail.com>
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My thanks to Peter and Dave for the good wishes. I had a low grade Lymphoma, 
for which the prognosis is good, and my last scan in December showed no 
problems. The chemo was defiantly the worst part. Since that ended in 
September, I have gone from being a total invalid to being able to manage 
most normal tasks. I don?t yet have the stamina I used to, and easily get 
out of breath, but things are improving all the time.
I very much took to heart your advice Dave about shingles. I had the 
vaccination at 70, but I gather that at 76 this has pretty much run its 
course. I have had shingles, many years ago, and fortunately a mild version. 
So I know it is lurking. I have enquired with our health centre about 
Shingrix as a booster, but was told that it was not advised at the moment. 
Maybe time to try another push to get it.
Best wishes Dave for you continued recovery.

Doug
From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 6:21 PM
To: Bernard Newnham ; Peter Fox
Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Strange Sound Quality on HIGNFY

Indeed Bernie but so many threads seem to fan out in this way, I suppose 
because there is genuine overlap brought about by an incidental comment from 
one or other contributor. Perhaps easier to follow the story development 
though compared to splitting the topic. Pleased your Shingrix experience was 
positive ? yours is the first report I?ve seen since I first drew attention 
to the poor dissemination of information through the NHS/GP routes 
concerning even the existence of an alternative to Zostavax.

So Peter for myself I continue to regret not having had the necessary 
awareness until after I contracted the virus. Now 3 1/2 months since my 
symptoms appeared and I am a long way from being what I was. The paralysed 
arm does, as of a couple of weeks back, show limited but significant 
movement capability though no strength whatever. Overall function assessment 
I would put at no more than 25% of what it should be. The rash is still 
visible, the neuropathic pain/gross over-sensitisation skin reaction 
constant. Everything points to that continuing for some months. But here?s 
an odd little footnote.

Yesterday on Points West an item covered a trial about to take place 
concerning the effectiveness or otherwise of Amitriptylene in combatting 
post herpetic pain after a shingles attack. Scientists in Bristol are 
recruiting 500 patients whose symptoms are just beginning so that use of the 
drug from as early as possible can be evaluated properly. I started 
Amitriptylene within a few days on a prescribed dosage of 10 mg daily (which 
the drug info sheet states as the correct level for neuropathic pain). 
However a string of different medics first doubled then tripled the dosage. 
Additionally Pregabalin was thrown in at 2 x 25 mg per day, then 3 then 4 
then 5 then 6 ? i.e 150 mg per day. I was supposed to build to 200 mg at 
least but at the 150 level I was feeling (and apparently registering with 
others as) drugged to the eyeballs. I unilaterally decided to wean myself 
off the Pregabalin and reduce the Amitriptylene back to the original 10 mg 
which I did gradually and finally, after a further couple of weeks, 
discontinued the Amitryptylene completely.

My point is this ? what was the advice for these higher doses based on 
exactly? The drug manufacturers certainly sanction higher levels for 
anti-depression use and indeed epilepsy control but not, as yet, for 
neuropathic pain. The TV item suggested that the only evidence to support 
even the 10 mg Amitriptylene arose from a very small scale trial conducted 
many, many years ago. Hence the now recognised need for something a little 
more scientifically substantial.

I would like to join with Peter in wishing Doug (& Sue) better times ahead.

Thank you for checking up on me!

Dave Newbitt.
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From jan.goldring at me.com  Thu Apr 14 04:31:24 2022
From: jan.goldring at me.com (Janis Goldring)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:31:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pension rise
Message-ID: <74A1D676-78CA-4252-A47B-C3977825AE3E@me.com>

I just wonder if anyone has received the letter with info of the percentage. Monies went into our account today but no paperwork!  Janis Goldring pp Peter Goldring

Sent from my iPhone

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 04:35:18 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:35:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pension rise
In-Reply-To: <74A1D676-78CA-4252-A47B-C3977825AE3E@me.com>
References: <74A1D676-78CA-4252-A47B-C3977825AE3E@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyHKbybq_ViXFirrYE3igZzFAuNfdGrgYrfn-KkiP_NHxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently they aren't doing paperwork any more. You have to go to my
pension on the BBC website.  The answer for old benefits is 7.5%

B

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022, 10:31 Janis Goldring via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I just wonder if anyone has received the letter with info of the
> percentage. Monies went into our account today but no paperwork!  Janis
> Goldring pp Peter Goldring
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Thu Apr 14 05:00:12 2022
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:00:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pension rise
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyHKbybq_ViXFirrYE3igZzFAuNfdGrgYrfn-KkiP_NHxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA7MLyHKbybq_ViXFirrYE3igZzFAuNfdGrgYrfn-KkiP_NHxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB9341DD-81A9-45A1-83B8-80F9741BE4C7@btinternet.com>

Join the BBCPA and find out. Regular updates and an AGM with chair of the Pension Trustees will give a talk. 
It costs ?15 to join. 
Albert 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Apr 2022, at 10:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Apparently they aren't doing paperwork any more. You have to go to my pension on the BBC website.  The answer for old benefits is 7.5%
> 
> B
> 
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022, 10:31 Janis Goldring via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I just wonder if anyone has received the letter with info of the percentage. Monies went into our account today but no paperwork!  Janis Goldring pp Peter Goldring
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 05:09:21 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:09:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pension rise
In-Reply-To: <AB9341DD-81A9-45A1-83B8-80F9741BE4C7@btinternet.com>
References: <AB9341DD-81A9-45A1-83B8-80F9741BE4C7@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <37AE79A6-9B32-4C06-BBD4-6A6A17C5710B@gmail.com>

?and is worth it if nothing else for the good deal you get on Radio Times, though these days perhaps it should be renamed Netflix Times, ?
Geoff

> On 14 Apr 2022, at 11:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Join the BBCPA and find out. Regular updates and an AGM with chair of the Pension Trustees will give a talk. 
> It costs ?15 to join. 
> Albert 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 14 Apr 2022, at 10:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Apparently they aren't doing paperwork any more. You have to go to my pension on the BBC website.  The answer for old benefits is 7.5%
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022, 10:31 Janis Goldring via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I just wonder if anyone has received the letter with info of the percentage. Monies went into our account today but no paperwork!  Janis Goldring pp Peter Goldring
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 05:18:42 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:18:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pension rise
In-Reply-To: <37AE79A6-9B32-4C06-BBD4-6A6A17C5710B@gmail.com>
References: <AB9341DD-81A9-45A1-83B8-80F9741BE4C7@btinternet.com>
	<37AE79A6-9B32-4C06-BBD4-6A6A17C5710B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cccd7d16-37bb-89b8-5f0c-9dd9df519901@ntlworld.com>

I thought they had to send a P60 by law, but maybe not.? I'm just 
printing mine from the website.

B



On 14/04/2022 11:09, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> ?and is worth it if nothing else for the good deal you get on Radio 
> Times, though these days perhaps it should be renamed Netflix Times, ?
> Geoff
>
>> On 14 Apr 2022, at 11:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? Join the BBCPA and find out. Regular updates and an AGM with chair 
>> of the Pension Trustees will give a talk.
>> It costs ?15 to join.
>> Albert
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2022, at 10:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Apparently they aren't doing paperwork any more. You have to go to 
>>> my pension on the BBC website.? The answer for old benefits is 7.5%
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022, 10:31 Janis Goldring via Tech1, 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I just wonder if anyone has received the letter with info of the
>>>     percentage. Monies went into our account today but no
>>>     paperwork!? Janis Goldring pp Peter Goldring
>>>
>>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>>     -- 
>>>     Tech1 mailing list
>>>     Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>     http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Apr 14 06:59:05 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:59:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pension rise
In-Reply-To: <37AE79A6-9B32-4C06-BBD4-6A6A17C5710B@gmail.com>
References: <AB9341DD-81A9-45A1-83B8-80F9741BE4C7@btinternet.com>
	<37AE79A6-9B32-4C06-BBD4-6A6A17C5710B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62580c89.1c69fb81.36edc.6d4c@mx.google.com>

This obviously applies to folks who receive a BBC Pension.
I may have posted this warning before ?
When I left in 1968, I left my pension in, in case I ever re-joined.
It became apparent that I wouldn?t, so my pension advisors (Towry Law)
thought that any BBC contributions could be placed more effectively elsewhere.
On approaching the BBC for a figure, I was informed that as I had left before everything was computerised, there was no record, and therefore I didn?t have a pension!
I then hit them with copies of all the correspondence of leaving my pension in. Six months later, they found it, and I removed ?3K from their tender administration which was placed as a single contribution with the Prudential. This was useful to put towards an eventual pot of ?92K to provide monthly annuities. (I permutated the results from 4 different companies for the best return, and eventually settled for Norwich Union, now known as Aviva).
Therefore, anyone who has funds deposited and not yet receiving a pension, should check and make sure that the BBC knows about you.
My annuities which pay monthly, plus the State Pension, paid weekly,
plus Cameron?s winter warmer, plus a fair bit of investment income, means that I can live fairly comfortably, thank you.
(Although, if I didn?t own the lease to my flat, I doubt that I could afford the rent that similar properties can command).
Pat
(Pic is me welcoming friends who dropped by for a glass of fizz on my 78th  2020 ? Covid distancing! Stairlift in the communal hallway to my flat on the first floor)





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From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1
Sent: 14 April 2022 11:09
To: TechOps Forum
Cc: Bernard Newnham
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pension rise

?and is worth it if nothing else for the good deal you get on Radio Times, though these days perhaps it should be renamed Netflix Times, ?
Geoff





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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Thu Apr 14 08:51:12 2022
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 14:51:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pension rise
In-Reply-To: <62580c89.1c69fb81.36edc.6d4c@mx.google.com>
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You are quite right pat. We had a few like you and sorted it for them 
It saved a few quid for those BBCPA member ? and for a?15 quid a year membership      

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Apr 2022, at 12:59, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> This obviously applies to folks who receive a BBC Pension.
> I may have posted this warning before ?
> When I left in 1968, I left my pension in, in case I ever re-joined.
> It became apparent that I wouldn?t, so my pension advisors (Towry Law)
> thought that any BBC contributions could be placed more effectively elsewhere.
> On approaching the BBC for a figure, I was informed that as I had left before everything was computerised, there was no record, and therefore I didn?t have a pension!
> I then hit them with copies of all the correspondence of leaving my pension in. Six months later, they found it, and I removed ?3K from their tender administration which was placed as a single contribution with the Prudential. This was useful to put towards an eventual pot of ?92K to provide monthly annuities. (I permutated the results from 4 different companies for the best return, and eventually settled for Norwich Union, now known as Aviva).
> Therefore, anyone who has funds deposited and not yet receiving a pension, should check and make sure that the BBC knows about you.
> My annuities which pay monthly, plus the State Pension, paid weekly,
> plus Cameron?s winter warmer, plus a fair bit of investment income, means that I can live fairly comfortably, thank you.
> (Although, if I didn?t own the lease to my flat, I doubt that I could afford the rent that similar properties can command).
> Pat
> (Pic is me welcoming friends who dropped by for a glass of fizz on my 78th  2020 ? Covid distancing! Stairlift in the communal hallway to my flat on the first floor)
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1
> Sent: 14 April 2022 11:09
> To: TechOps Forum
> Cc: Bernard Newnham
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pension rise
>  
> ?and is worth it if nothing else for the good deal you get on Radio Times, though these days perhaps it should be renamed Netflix Times, ?
> Geoff
> 
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Apr 14 13:42:29 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 19:42:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Investiture
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This is me trying to be amusing!
See what you think.
Pat

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 14:50:09 2022
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 20:50:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pension Increase Notification
Message-ID: <DEE6A324-83DB-4283-B439-F66B5E4A63D0@gmail.com>

Dear Janis,
Guess what, in the post today I received a letter from BBC Pensions advising me that ?under the Rules of the Scheme, pensions are increased annually on 1st April and the percentage increase this year will be 7.5%.? The following paragraph went on to detail the actual amounts and overleaf was the P60 End of Year Certificate.
I hope you and everyone else on the scheme has received theirs and is as pleased with it as I am,
Geoff

From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Apr 18 13:15:36 2022
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:15:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan of the Wek
Message-ID: <9D60B245-CD47-41C0-BB6F-FD6DD0EBE300@icloud.com>


Earth?s Great Rivers

I?ve been trying to watch the programme on the Danube, beautiful photograpy but the appalling commentary has defeated me, 3 words, uneccessary pause, two words, pause, and so on. All delivered in a flat monotone. I?d got through the episode on the Zambezi by muting the sound during the commentary and just listening when there were people speaking in shot but couldn?t face going through all that palaver again.
? 
Graeme Wall




From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Apr 18 13:52:36 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 19:52:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan of the Wek
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Message-ID: <821BF628-3D00-486C-B503-0CD1C2B491DC@me.com>

I?ve done a lot of voice over commentaries in my time and have always hated that sort of delivery.  The cause seems to be that the script was written so that certain phrases coincide with particular images.  There?s nothing wrong with that idea so long as the script timing actually fits the images, otherwise you?re left with those unnatural pauses.

I?ve sometimes tried to encourage directors to write in a few appropriate words to fill in the gaps, or cut out some phrases so that the gaps sound natural, but by and large they insist on sticking to the script exactly as written.

When I?ve had enough time to mess around, I?ve tried digitally tweaking the speed of a phrase while retaining the original pitch, but you can only make minor tweaks before it starts sounding odd alongside the un-tweaked portions.

I did a V/O with the lovely Andrew Sachs, who had practised at home against a VHS and recorded his V/O on an audio cassette so that on the train he could learn the lines and retain his preferred pacing so that he could pay more attention to the screen  rather than simply read off the script.  He occasionally knocked the table during his recording to highlight moments where a word had to be delivered at that precise time. We  tried feeding that cassette recording to his headphones and he talked along with it.  It worked pretty well and his delivery was noticeably more fluid and natural.

That idea of talking along to a cassette guide recording was first shown to me by Michael Rodd ( of Tomorrow?s World ). If doing a piece to camera while walking and then repeating it in a wide shot, he would first record it on cassette, then play it back via a hidden earpiece during the close up shot and finally do the same during the wide angle.  Whenever you cut between them, you could keep using the close up dialogue recording, but his lips in the wide shot were always exactly in sync and his gestures would be in sync too, as they were prompted by the dialogue.

Alan



> On 18 Apr 2022, at 19:16, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Earth?s Great Rivers
> 
> I?ve been trying to watch the programme on the Danube, beautiful photograpy but the appalling commentary has defeated me, 3 words, uneccessary pause, two words, pause, and so on. All delivered in a flat monotone. I?d got through the episode on the Zambezi by muting the sound during the commentary and just listening when there were people speaking in shot but couldn?t face going through all that palaver again.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr 18 14:07:08 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 20:07:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan of the Wek
In-Reply-To: <9D60B245-CD47-41C0-BB6F-FD6DD0EBE300@icloud.com>
References: <9D60B245-CD47-41C0-BB6F-FD6DD0EBE300@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <625db6dc.1c69fb81.6706f.c2ef@mx.google.com>

Sometimes one gets the choice of Red button giving ?no commentary? track.
Obviously not in this case!
Plus the Danube is not ?beautiful blue? it?s brown and nasty, even through Vienna!
The Vltava is better! Especially upstream beyond Prague.

River-wise, I canoed down the Thames with a school mate, from Lechlade (we pushed the craft as far as we could towards the source) then finishing at Maidenhead.
Youth Hostelling all the way ? one place we checked into, the warden, a fierce matron character, asked if we were walkers or cyclists ? neither, we said ? canoeists. This didn?t fit, so she said I?ll put you down as walkers.
So we are Jesus, are we?

Pat
 

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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 18 April 2022 19:15
To: Tech ops
Subject: [Tech1] Moan of the Wek


Earth?s Great Rivers

I?ve been trying to watch the programme on the Danube, beautiful photograpy but the appalling commentary has defeated me, 3 words, uneccessary pause, two words, pause, and so on. All delivered in a flat monotone. I?d got through the episode on the Zambezi by muting the sound during the commentary and just listening when there were people speaking in shot but couldn?t face going through all that palaver again.
? 
Graeme Wall






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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr 18 14:29:57 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 20:29:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moan of the Wek
In-Reply-To: <821BF628-3D00-486C-B503-0CD1C2B491DC@me.com>
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When I was recording artistes for speech in vision, I always asked that they gave the previous line before the one intended to be used, as then the pace and cadence was consistent, and an edit worked.
I always wanted to record the voice overs at the location so that the delivery and sound matched the ?in vision?. This was not always possible as the V/O hadn?t been written!
It still annoys me that the switch from on camera, with all the background noise suddenly changes to perfect sound booth V/O.
Does anyone notice ? not the viewers, ?cos they are never considered?
Not a problem if it?s a different voice. And with the appalling results of the play outs, where no attention is made to sound levels between programmes ? there is no quality control anymore.
Why did we bother?

Pat

from: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 18 April 2022 19:52
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Moan of the Wek

I?ve done a lot of voice over commentaries in my time and have always hated that sort of delivery.  The cause seems to be that the script was written so that certain phrases coincide with particular images.  There?s nothing wrong with that idea so long as the script timing actually fits the images, otherwise you?re left with those unnatural pauses.

I?ve sometimes tried to encourage directors to write in a few appropriate words to fill in the gaps, or cut out some phrases so that the gaps sound natural, but by and large they insist on sticking to the script exactly as written.




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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 14:50:27 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 20:50:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] top 300
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Ok - which of you voted for The? ******ing Lark Ascending again?

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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Tue Apr 19 00:35:40 2022
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:35:40 +0100 (BST)
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From peterjohncombes at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 04:31:21 2022
From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:31:21 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd
Message-ID: <CA+Ybt4Uudh2Y43QF_s_LuK1pS9Wniq26fcoATV63fZ80rgpnGg@mail.gmail.com>

We are at the 30th anniversary of the death of Frankie Howerd.  I saw him
do a rehearsal at the Television Theatre in 1963. There was nothing to
see-- he recited the script in a quiet monotone close to the camera. On the
night -- this was LIVE television! -- he had the house in an uproar, the
audience helpless with laughter,    Pat Heigham may have been present,
since he also was on Crew 3.  Pat -- did you get any good sound levels from
the rehearsal?
Peter Combes
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From peterjohncombes at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 04:32:44 2022
From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:32:44 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd
Message-ID: <CA+Ybt4U7oAQhMmpohV-q=GZ_-krk6nt4SnEO_Up6FqZxWwEpSQ@mail.gmail.com>

We are at the 30th anniversary of the death of Frankie Howerd.  I saw him
do a rehearsal at the Television Theatre in 1963. There was nothing to
see-- he recited the script in a quiet monotone close to the camera. On the
night -- this was LIVE television! -- he had the house in an uproar, the
audience helpless with laughter,    Pat Heigham may have been present,
since he also was on Crew 3.  Pat -- did you get any good sound levels from
the rehearsal?
Peter Combes
Crew 3 Emeritus
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From peterjohncombes at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 04:59:30 2022
From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:59:30 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd
Message-ID: <CA+Ybt4XgxNgb=c41T4LM4ypmTvgGZn2-LdVbS6-wR490DtUvqA@mail.gmail.com>

We are at the 30th anniversary of the death of Frankie Howerd.  I saw him
do a rehearsal at the Television Theatre in 1963. There was nothing to
see-- he recited the script in a quiet monotone close to the camera. On the
night -- this was LIVE television! -- he had the house in an uproar, the
audience helpless with laughter,    Pat Heigham may have been present,
since he also was on Crew 3.  Pat -- did you get any good sound levels from
the rehearsal?
Peter Combes
Crew 3 Emeritus
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From peterjohncombes at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 05:01:07 2022
From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:01:07 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd repost
Message-ID: <CA+Ybt4UrNTqhzdCSrHBi5kMXVj876PXa3-QjZ2xNbxqFOQ4QXw@mail.gmail.com>

We are at the 30th anniversary of the death of Frankie Howerd.  I saw him
do a rehearsal at the Television Theatre in 1963. There was nothing to
see-- he recited the script in a quiet monotone close to the camera. On the
night -- this was LIVE television! -- he had the house in an uproar, the
audience helpless with laughter,    Pat Heigham may have been present,
since he also was on Crew 3.  Pat -- did you get any good sound levels from
the rehearsal?
Peter Combes
Crew 3 Emeritus
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Apr 19 05:27:34 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:27:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd
In-Reply-To: <CA+Ybt4Uudh2Y43QF_s_LuK1pS9Wniq26fcoATV63fZ80rgpnGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Ybt4Uudh2Y43QF_s_LuK1pS9Wniq26fcoATV63fZ80rgpnGg@mail.gmail.com>
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While I was indeed on Crew 3 ? mostly based in TVT, I don?t remember working with Frankie Howerd. But I did know that he wouldn?t play his act on rehearsal at full level, although for timing, all the ?Ooh!? and ?Ahh!? and ?titter ye not? were completely scripted and not ad libbed. So the PA had a chance to get an accurate stopwatch on it.
I think you either liked or loathed Howerd, I was never quite sure, but he was good in ?Up Pompeii? which was amusing.
So the answer to your question, Peter, is ?no, we didn?t!?

Best
Pat

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From: Peter Combes via Tech1
Sent: 19 April 2022 10:31
To: tech Ops List
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd

We are at the 30th anniversary of the death of Frankie Howerd.? I saw him do a rehearsal at the Television Theatre in 1963. There was nothing to see-- he recited the script in a quiet monotone close to the camera. On the night -- this was LIVE television! -- he had the house in an uproar, the audience helpless with laughter,? ? Pat Heigham may have been present, since?he also was on Crew 3.? Pat -- did you get any good sound levels from the rehearsal?? ? ? ? ?
Peter Combes?
Crew 3 Emeritus?



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 05:36:13 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:36:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Classic FM Hall of Fame
Message-ID: <a23dd585-cc97-fdf4-2bea-a845a14ca937@gmail.com>

Following on from my unseemly outburst last night, apologies - and WTF 
does The Lark Ascending always win??? Does Vaughan Williams have 
hundreds of descendants (or possibly ascendants) all out voting? Do they 
get PRS?

Has anyone here worked on it?? I always wonder how they order the lowest 
numbers - are they pulled out of a hat - "Down from 221 to 298 comes 
Elevazione by Domenico Zipoli" (which I was surprised to recognise).?? 
And how many votes do they actually get? Did you vote?

I put in a vote for the best composer of the late 20th century, John 
Williams - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDlU08RU7Tk , though I do 
love this too and voted for it - 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zTc2hD2npA ? ? Didn't come anywhere. 
Perhaps it's my low brow tastes - or maybe I'm ahead of the game again.

Playing currently on my Logitech Z506s. Not quite in the stratospheric 
league as all your Quads and Radfords, but very modern technology, so 
not bad nevertheless.

B
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Tue Apr 19 05:37:57 2022
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:37:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 05:43:58 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:43:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd
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Frankie did guest spots on the ?Billy Cotton Band Show? in March 1963 and ?The Country and Western Show? in June 1963.  Both were from the Theatre.

His starring (comeback) series was in TC4 at the end of 1964/start of 1965.



From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 11:27 AM
To: Peter Combes ; tech Ops List 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd

While I was indeed on Crew 3 ? mostly based in TVT, I don?t remember working with Frankie Howerd. But I did know that he wouldn?t play his act on rehearsal at full level, although for timing, all the ?Ooh!? and ?Ahh!? and ?titter ye not? were completely scripted and not ad libbed. So the PA had a chance to get an accurate stopwatch on it.

I think you either liked or loathed Howerd, I was never quite sure, but he was good in ?Up Pompeii? which was amusing.

So the answer to your question, Peter, is ?no, we didn?t!?

 

Best

Pat

 

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From: Peter Combes via Tech1
Sent: 19 April 2022 10:31
To: tech Ops List
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd

 

We are at the 30th anniversary of the death of Frankie Howerd.  I saw him do a rehearsal at the Television Theatre in 1963. There was nothing to see-- he recited the script in a quiet monotone close to the camera. On the night -- this was LIVE television! -- he had the house in an uproar, the audience helpless with laughter,    Pat Heigham may have been present, since he also was on Crew 3.  Pat -- did you get any good sound levels from the rehearsal?         

Peter Combes 

Crew 3 Emeritus 

 




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Apr 19 06:50:04 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:50:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd
In-Reply-To: <331A87BFD7C74AE695EFE71D1266617B@0023242e4e14>
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I?ve got some sneaky 8mm colour cine film of the Cotton show from the TVT, but only of a little singer I had a crush on!
Also some footage of ?Pops & Lenny?
Got some of the Country & Western Show, the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels ? this time the Mitchell singers were in vision.
I think that footage was from the TVT, but I remember that some episodes came from TC4. I had forgotten to switch on Shani Wallis? radio mic, strapped to her thigh, so skirts hauled up while I corrected the omission!
I think that two members of the Fraser Hayes Four (Jimmy Fraser (Potts), & Tony Hayes), were also on the bill.
I had carte blanche from George Inns to shoot 8mm, as he told me to say that it was for him if I got challenged ? never was, though. Some of my film, with sync sound, got on YouTube, but I had Bernie take it down as I was concerned about copyright. I think there may have been an amnesty on illicit material, as not much survives from that era, and maybe not in colour!
A few people got 8mm, or video, copies of the Minstrels films ? George Mitchell, Stan Stennett and George Chisholm.
Richard Levin then Head of TV Design took it to America, to demonstrate what the BBC were doing at the time.
No Oscar, but I did get it back!

Pat
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From: David Brunt
Sent: 19 April 2022 11:44
To: patheigham; Peter Combes; tech Ops List
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Frankie Howerd

Frankie did guest spots on the ?Billy Cotton Band Show? in March 1963 and ?The Country and Western Show? in June 1963.? Both were from the Theatre.

His starring (comeback) series was in TC4 at the end of 1964/start of 1965.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Apr 19 12:16:25 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:16:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
Message-ID: <104DE074-9158-45A0-A5F5-90397141DE64@me.com>

This article explains how the next generation of US fighter aircraft is likely to have the ability to update its software while in flight.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/

I think a pilot would need to have an amazing level of trust in competence of the software engineers to commence such a procedure in flight. I would also hope that it?s truly impossible for hostile agents to disrupt the software in any way while the aircraft is flying. 

Every so often we hear of problems or unintended consequences that have arisen as a result of software updates on critical computer systems such as those used for banking or running the internet.  The scope for serious consequences increases alarmingly if the computer being updated is flying at supersonic speeds and carrying deadly munitions.

Alan


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Apr 19 12:53:57 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:53:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
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Terrifying.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 6:16 PM
To: tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?

This article explains how the next generation of US fighter aircraft is likely to have the ability to update its software while in flight. 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/

I think a pilot would need to have an amazing level of trust in competence of the software engineers to commence such a procedure in flight. I would also hope that it?s truly impossible for hostile agents to disrupt the software in any way while the aircraft is flying. 

Every so often we hear of problems or unintended consequences that have arisen as a result of software updates on critical computer systems such as those used for banking or running the internet.  The scope for serious consequences increases alarmingly if the computer being updated is flying at supersonic speeds and carrying deadly munitions.

Alan




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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Apr 20 03:23:04 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 09:23:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
In-Reply-To: <8C5D8764A2AE49779A5BF7DD96964B42@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Apr 20 04:00:43 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 09:00:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB198191570D77A339E3C466E7A7F59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?Ah, yes,Popular Mechanics. An article full of clickbait and interspersed with adverts for best gaming chairs, cheap keyboards and other such stuff. They use the words software and hardware as if they?ve just discovered them - like in dated Sci-Fi movies where terms like microchip etc., get liberally sprinked into the dialogue as buzzwords. I wouldn?t take any of that too seriously.
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 19 Apr 2022, at 18:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Terrifying.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 6:16 PM
To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?

This article explains how the next generation of US fighter aircraft is likely to have the ability to update its software while in flight.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/

I think a pilot would need to have an amazing level of trust in competence of the software engineers to commence such a procedure in flight. I would also hope that it?s truly impossible for hostile agents to disrupt the software in any way while the aircraft is flying.

Every so often we hear of problems or unintended consequences that have arisen as a result of software updates on critical computer systems such as those used for banking or running the internet.  The scope for serious consequences increases alarmingly if the computer being updated is flying at supersonic speeds and carrying deadly munitions.

Alan



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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Apr 20 04:35:30 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 10:35:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB198191570D77A339E3C466E7A7F59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PAXP191MB198191570D77A339E3C466E7A7F59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <4BF02433-74C7-4110-85CF-0A19842EFCD9@me.com>

I?m puzzled that you?re seeing adverts all over the article.  You replied via your iPad, so I viewed that link on my iPad using bog standard Safari and am not seeing any adverts other than for different articles in PM.  Maybe you might benefit from changing some settings on your browser?

When I was about 12, my dad used to get Popular Mechanics delivered every month and I would always read it.  The biggest annoyance was the adverts. In particular, American publications used to have some adverts printed on much heavier paper bound in with the rest of the publication.  The magazine would always fall open at that advert.  It was the print equivalent of annoying banner adverts on web sites.

My dad was a printer by trade and would cast a professional eye over any printed work in the house ( just like we criticise TV shows ).  He too hated those card adverts as they ruined the flow of the magazine when you try to thumb through it ( which of course was the intention ).  He called them Badverts.

Popular Mechanics is about as reliable as Tomorrow?s World used to be, or newspapers still are when it comes to reporting technology, but they generally offer enough information so that you can search elsewhere for specifics if a topic seems interesting.

Alan



> On 20 Apr 2022, at 10:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ?Ah, yes,Popular Mechanics. An article full of clickbait and interspersed with adverts for best gaming chairs, cheap keyboards and other such stuff. They use the words software and hardware as if they?ve just discovered them - like in dated Sci-Fi movies where terms like microchip etc., get liberally sprinked into the dialogue as buzzwords. I wouldn?t take any of that too seriously.
> Cheers,
> N.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
> 


From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Apr 20 05:02:17 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 11:02:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
In-Reply-To: <ef6pha0l4mosrre7s9eb1ghh.1650442984794@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <ef6pha0l4mosrre7s9eb1ghh.1650442984794@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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> On 20 Apr 2022, at 09:23, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:a
> Re boot now to complete installation....,,., 
> 

I was mixing a show in a scanner which had a little known semi-pro digital sound desk.  The show was partly live and partly pre-recorded.  During a recorded item, I faded out a VT playback but it remained audible.  The display revealed that although the fader was down, the computer thought it was up. The computer had frozen and the audio continued, but the control surface settings could not be altered. Obviously we rebooted the computer, which took about 90 seconds. 

We were fortunate that it happened during a recording.  It would be pretty scary getting through 90 seconds of a live show with no way of fading anything up or down. That desk was later changed for a well known brand of digital sound desk. Buy cheap, pay twice.

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Apr 20 06:56:41 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 12:56:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DIY card reader.
Message-ID: <1b2f83f3-9431-ce20-eb2e-467f12c1fa8c@davesound.co.uk>

Something you'd use in a small church etc for a voluntary contribution 
according to your means. Like putting cash in the collection plate, but 
using a card instead. Does have a bank current account.

There seems to be a bewildering choice on the market. The cheaper ones 
seem to rely on Bluetooth to an external mobile phone (which would mean 
the phone owner being present at all times?) Others seem to include 
their own sort of phone, but cost a lot more.

Anyone give chapter and verse?



From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Apr 20 07:09:45 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:09:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DIY card reader.
In-Reply-To: <1b2f83f3-9431-ce20-eb2e-467f12c1fa8c@davesound.co.uk>
References: <1b2f83f3-9431-ce20-eb2e-467f12c1fa8c@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BD403D35-05A7-4E84-90D9-7768FB4D8E81@me.com>

My chimney sweep always natters about tech things with me and he recently researched getting a small card reader by using the site comparecardservices.co.uk 

I understand that he didn?t actually go with their recommended option, but the survey suggested the sort of things he needed to think about.

BlueTooth has a very short range and presumably would only work if the associated phone is within a few metres.  Is WiFi available within the church?  

Alan



> On 20 Apr 2022, at 12:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Something you'd use in a small church etc for a voluntary contribution according to your means. Like putting cash in the collection plate, but using a card instead. Does have a bank current account.
> 
> There seems to be a bewildering choice on the market. The cheaper ones seem to rely on Bluetooth to an external mobile phone (which would mean the phone owner being present at all times?) Others seem to include their own sort of phone, but cost a lot more.
> 
> Anyone give chapter and verse?
> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Apr 20 09:28:40 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:28:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DIY card reader.
In-Reply-To: <BD403D35-05A7-4E84-90D9-7768FB4D8E81@me.com>
Message-ID: <f5t2daqe5mvleul8ue01g52s.1650464920271@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Sumup is the current most popular with a reasonable charge.
(Best used to be Izetttel but once PayPal bought them , the rates became less attractive)

sumup has 3 options
1) about ?20 to buy but has to be tied to your mobile and uses your data or via Wi-Fi if available.

2) About ?80 built in SIM and Wi-Fi access

3) About ?120 built in SIM and Wi-Fi access takes all the more obscure cards.

All of them you take the payment and the money arrives in your tied bank account within a couple of days, led a handling fee 1.7% aprox. No ongoing charges on any of them , just handling fee on any transactions (built in SIM has no charges)


https://sumup.co.uk/

Should give the full details. 

Option 2 is probably best , unless it's always the same person doing the collection. (And happy to use their own mobile) 




Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

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? Original Message ?


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 20 April 2022 13:10
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: alanaudio at me.com
Subject: Re: [Tech1] DIY card reader.


My chimney sweep always natters about tech things with me and he recently researched getting a small card reader by using the site comparecardservices.co.uk

I understand that he didn?t actually go with their recommended option, but the survey suggested the sort of things he needed to think about.

BlueTooth has a very short range and presumably would only work if the associated phone is within a few metres.? Is WiFi available within the church??

Alan



> On 20 Apr 2022, at 12:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?Something you'd use in a small church etc for a voluntary contribution according to your means. Like putting cash in the collection plate, but using a card instead. Does have a bank current account.
>
> There seems to be a bewildering choice on the market. The cheaper ones seem to rely on Bluetooth to an external mobile phone (which would mean the phone owner being present at all times?) Others seem to include their own sort of phone, but cost a lot more.
>
> Anyone give chapter and verse?
>
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Apr 20 09:39:52 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:39:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DIY card reader.
In-Reply-To: <f5t2daqe5mvleul8ue01g52s.1650464920271@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <f5t2daqe5mvleul8ue01g52s.1650464920271@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <619872F87C1048E1A2402B1D95752ABF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Very thorough Paul and nicely summarised. Mine of info as usual!

Dave Newbitt.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Paul Thackray via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 3:28 PM
To: Alan Taylor ; Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] DIY card reader.

Sumup is the current most popular with a reasonable charge.
(Best used to be Izetttel but once PayPal bought them , the rates became 
less attractive)

sumup has 3 options
1) about ?20 to buy but has to be tied to your mobile and uses your data or 
via Wi-Fi if available.

2) About ?80 built in SIM and Wi-Fi access

3) About ?120 built in SIM and Wi-Fi access takes all the more obscure 
cards.

All of them you take the payment and the money arrives in your tied bank 
account within a couple of days, led a handling fee 1.7% aprox. No ongoing 
charges on any of them , just handling fee on any transactions (built in SIM 
has no charges)


https://sumup.co.uk/

Should give the full details.

Option 2 is probably best , unless it's always the same person doing the 
collection. (And happy to use their own mobile)




Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Apr 20 10:15:23 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:15:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DIY card reader.
In-Reply-To: <f5t2daqe5mvleul8ue01g52s.1650464920271@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <f5t2daqe5mvleul8ue01g52s.1650464920271@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8be853bd-e151-62c5-f640-4875a4313d8e@davesound.co.uk>

Thanks Paul - it was Sumup I'd arrived at.

Using an external phone a bit of a no-no since it would require that 
phone (and therefore owner) present.

What I wasn't clear about was the use of a SIM card. With Wi-Fi 
mentioned at the same time - but no data charges. One which used its pwn 
internal 'mobile phone' (data only) if no Wi-Fi available would be 
ideal. No need for a receipt, I'd say.

On 20/04/2022 15:28, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
> Sumup is the current most popular with a reasonable charge.
> (Best used to be Izetttel but once PayPal bought them , the rates became less attractive)
>
> sumup has 3 options
> 1) about ?20 to buy but has to be tied to your mobile and uses your data or via Wi-Fi if available.
>
> 2) About ?80 built in SIM and Wi-Fi access
>
> 3) About ?120 built in SIM and Wi-Fi access takes all the more obscure cards.
>
> All of them you take the payment and the money arrives in your tied bank account within a couple of days, led a handling fee 1.7% aprox. No ongoing charges on any of them , just handling fee on any transactions (built in SIM has no charges)
>
>
> https://sumup.co.uk/
>
> Should give the full details.
>
> Option 2 is probably best , unless it's always the same person doing the collection. (And happy to use their own mobile)
>
>
>
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979
>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>  ? Original Message
>
>
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 20 April 2022 13:10
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: alanaudio at me.com
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] DIY card reader.
>
>
> My chimney sweep always natters about tech things with me and he recently researched getting a small card reader by using the site comparecardservices.co.uk
>
> I understand that he didn?t actually go with their recommended option, but the survey suggested the sort of things he needed to think about.
>
> BlueTooth has a very short range and presumably would only work if the associated phone is within a few metres.? Is WiFi available within the church?
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 20 Apr 2022, at 12:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Something you'd use in a small church etc for a voluntary contribution according to your means. Like putting cash in the collection plate, but using a card instead. Does have a bank current account.
>>
>> There seems to be a bewildering choice on the market. The cheaper ones seem to rely on Bluetooth to an external mobile phone (which would mean the phone owner being present at all times?) Others seem to include their own sort of phone, but cost a lot more.
>>
>> Anyone give chapter and verse?
>>
>>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Apr 20 10:44:36 2022
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 16:44:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DIY card reader.
In-Reply-To: <8be853bd-e151-62c5-f640-4875a4313d8e@davesound.co.uk>
References: <f5t2daqe5mvleul8ue01g52s.1650464920271@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<8be853bd-e151-62c5-f640-4875a4313d8e@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <007601d854cd$8a2db5f0$9e8921d0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

The Wifi & Sim can be useful if you are in a basement with wifi but no phone coverage or in halls with no wifi but phone coverage.

Receipts can be done as SMS (Text) or Email but you need to type their email or mobile number each time (So saying no might be easiest!)

The ?20 option can work if you have maybe 3 people, one of which is always present, and get a ?20 unit each, all tied to their own phones, but paying in to the one business / church account. ( I had a charity where 5 people all had a unit tied to their own phones and on big events could all take donation's, on smaller events , just one or two went and collected - This was I-Zettel , before Pay Palls bought them)

Paul

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 20 April 2022 16:15
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] DIY card reader.

Thanks Paul - it was Sumup I'd arrived at.

Using an external phone a bit of a no-no since it would require that phone (and therefore owner) present.

What I wasn't clear about was the use of a SIM card. With Wi-Fi mentioned at the same time - but no data charges. One which used its pwn internal 'mobile phone' (data only) if no Wi-Fi available would be ideal. No need for a receipt, I'd say.

On 20/04/2022 15:28, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
> Sumup is the current most popular with a reasonable charge.
> (Best used to be Izetttel but once PayPal bought them , the rates 
> became less attractive)
>
> sumup has 3 options
> 1) about ?20 to buy but has to be tied to your mobile and uses your data or via Wi-Fi if available.
>
> 2) About ?80 built in SIM and Wi-Fi access
>
> 3) About ?120 built in SIM and Wi-Fi access takes all the more obscure cards.
>
> All of them you take the payment and the money arrives in your tied 
> bank account within a couple of days, led a handling fee 1.7% aprox. 
> No ongoing charges on any of them , just handling fee on any 
> transactions (built in SIM has no charges)
>
>
> https://sumup.co.uk/
>
> Should give the full details.
>
> Option 2 is probably best , unless it's always the same person doing 
> the collection. (And happy to use their own mobile)
>
>
>
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979
>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
>
>
>    Original Message
>
>
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 20 April 2022 13:10
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: alanaudio at me.com
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] DIY card reader.
>
>
> My chimney sweep always natters about tech things with me and he 
> recently researched getting a small card reader by using the site 
> comparecardservices.co.uk
>
> I understand that he didn?t actually go with their recommended option, but the survey suggested the sort of things he needed to think about.
>
> BlueTooth has a very short range and presumably would only work if the associated phone is within a few metres.  Is WiFi available within the church?
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>> On 20 Apr 2022, at 12:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Something you'd use in a small church etc for a voluntary contribution according to your means. Like putting cash in the collection plate, but using a card instead. Does have a bank current account.
>>
>> There seems to be a bewildering choice on the market. The cheaper ones seem to rely on Bluetooth to an external mobile phone (which would mean the phone owner being present at all times?) Others seem to include their own sort of phone, but cost a lot more.
>>
>> Anyone give chapter and verse?
>>
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Apr 21 02:35:39 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:35:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
In-Reply-To: <8C5D8764A2AE49779A5BF7DD96964B42@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <104DE074-9158-45A0-A5F5-90397141DE64@me.com>
	<8C5D8764A2AE49779A5BF7DD96964B42@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <6261094b.1c69fb81.d5653.90bd@mx.google.com>

Some time ago I met the intended husband of a friend?s daughter. He was unshaven, barefoot, clad in torn jeans and a grubby T-shirt, and I wondered what Elizabeth had dragged in! He was well spoken, however, and I asked him what he did:
?I fly Harriers!?
Oh! Hi-five respect!
After the wedding which was at Britannia College at Dartmouth, neatly & smartly turned out in his RAF uniform (although he was RAF ? permitted at this Naval establishment) he was deployed to the USA, both West and East coast airbases, Edwards & Andrews and where he flies the F-35 stealth fighter. Was the second pilot to land on the new Queen Elizabeth carrier and the first UK pilot to take off. I?m not sure whether he was learning to fly the F-35, or teaching the Yanks the technique of VTOL. Hope to see him this summer so must ask him about this computer update whilst airborne!
Just goes to show that first impressions are not gospel ? I was really humbled.

Pat

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 19 April 2022 18:54
To: Alan Taylor; tech1
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?

Terrifying.
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 6:16 PM
To: tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
?
This article explains how the next generation of US fighter aircraft is likely to have the ability to update its software while in flight. 
?
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/
?
I think a pilot would need to have an amazing level of trust in competence of the software engineers to commence such a procedure in flight. I would also hope that it?s truly impossible for hostile agents to disrupt the software in any way while the aircraft is flying. 
?
Every so often we hear of problems or unintended consequences that have arisen as a result of software updates on critical computer systems such as those used for banking or running the internet.? The scope for serious consequences increases alarmingly if the computer being updated is flying at supersonic speeds and carrying deadly munitions.
?
Alan
?
?



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From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 11:07:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] John Teather: Funeral Arrangements
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Dear all who remember 4th Floor Pres. in the 70s and the Weather, and 
the days of Jeux sans Frontieres and on...

The funeral directors have sent the details below for a livestream of 
the late John Teather's service on Monday 25th April at 2.30PM: Harbour 
View Crematorium, Lytchett Minster, Poole BH16 6AN.? When you click open 
the site, these arrangements are under 'Book of Remembrance' and then 
'Watch Service'.

If you have any queries, do call the funeral company as below or Hugh 
Sheppard by email or phone to: 01256 701363.

With all regards

Hugh

    John Teather: Funeral Arrangements:Click Here For Details
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    A very brief email so that you have my contact details (noted at the
    bottom of this email) and to provide you with a link (see above) to
    a page of our web site dedicated to this funeral.

    The dedicated web page will provide details of all funeral
    arrangements, location maps, in-memoriam donations, among other
    things, as the information becomes known.Importantly, if the funeral
    service is broadcasted via the internet, it is from this page that
    it is watched. Please click on the link above labelled 'Click Here
    For Funeral Details'.

    Yours sincerely

    Sue Hayley

    Tel: 01425 629000

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Apr 22 05:24:42 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 10:24:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB19813B72D8F2DE25FD906B30A7F79@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?The interesting thing here Pat, is that the Harrier first flew in 1967, which pretty much pre-dates computers!
Ask your friend if he was involved in this little adventure:
I remember taking my boys in their pushchairs to the Farnborough Air Show. That would be around 1975-78. I?m not sure now how or why, but we were in the front row of the VIP viewing area, which put us a lot closer to the fun than the general public were allowed. The highlight for us was when a truck came out and placed a large and presumably weighted balloon, I would guess about 4ft diameter, on the ground about 50yds in front of us. Then in came two Harriers from left and right of us, each fitted with a nose spike about half the Harrier?s body length long, and what looked like a sink plunger on the end (Daleks come to mind!). They hovered slowly towards each other and picked the balloon up. Then did a sort of airborne rotating pirouette around it before coming to a stationary hover. And then, a Hawker P1127 (earlier version of the Harrier) approached directly towards us, with nose spike, no plunger, and gently teased then pricked and burst the balloon, after which all three turned to the audience to literally take a bow. Massive applause, but drowned out by the incredible sound of three Harriers at close range!
Unbelievably spectacular! I know I had 35mm trannies of the shots I took at the time, but an awful lot of my old negs and trannies went missing, some intentionally, in a divorce and various house moves since then. I?m about to get back half a dozen Kodak carousel slide carriers from that era, and if this event is among them, I?ll post them here..
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 21 Apr 2022, at 08:36, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Some time ago I met the intended husband of a friend?s daughter. He was unshaven, barefoot, clad in torn jeans and a grubby T-shirt, and I wondered what Elizabeth had dragged in! He was well spoken, however, and I asked him what he did:
?I fly Harriers!?
Oh! Hi-five respect!
After the wedding which was at Britannia College at Dartmouth, neatly & smartly turned out in his RAF uniform (although he was RAF ? permitted at this Naval establishment) he was deployed to the USA, both West and East coast airbases, Edwards & Andrews and where he flies the F-35 stealth fighter. Was the second pilot to land on the new Queen Elizabeth carrier and the first UK pilot to take off. I?m not sure whether he was learning to fly the F-35, or teaching the Yanks the technique of VTOL. Hope to see him this summer so must ask him about this computer update whilst airborne!
Just goes to show that first impressions are not gospel ? I was really humbled.

Pat

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 19 April 2022 18:54
To: Alan Taylor<mailto:alanaudio at me.com>; tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net<mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?

Terrifying.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 6:16 PM
To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?

This article explains how the next generation of US fighter aircraft is likely to have the ability to update its software while in flight.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/

I think a pilot would need to have an amazing level of trust in competence of the software engineers to commence such a procedure in flight. I would also hope that it?s truly impossible for hostile agents to disrupt the software in any way while the aircraft is flying.

Every so often we hear of problems or unintended consequences that have arisen as a result of software updates on critical computer systems such as those used for banking or running the internet.  The scope for serious consequences increases alarmingly if the computer being updated is flying at supersonic speeds and carrying deadly munitions.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Apr 22 06:36:48 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 12:36:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
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I don?t know where the time goes!
I remember the Harriers at Farnborough ? probably saw them bowing on TV.
I did not get my friend?s uniform quite right in my earlier message.
(Corrected by my ex-Navy friend). Matt is a Commander, Royal Navy and a pilot in?the Fleet Air Arm!!
He got married in the uniform of a Lieutenant, Royal Navy.?His Guard of Honour was entirely RAF. This highly amused my Naval friend, having light blues amongst the dark blue of the Dartmouth establishment.?The Fleet Air Arm is a totally separate?Command within the RN.? ?
Musically, it was a great wedding in the Dartmouth chapel as his soon-to- be sister-in-law?s brother is the MD for ?The Sixteen? He rustled up half of them to sing, and played the organ.
I was interested in that there is no catapult launch on the Queen Elizabeth carrier. With the ski-jump ramp the aircraft have enough thrust not to need it. Think they land in vertical mode, but will find out.

Been watching ?Warship? (Action 5 CH33 on Tuesdays). The adventures of HMS Northumberland, a super looking frigate. Recent episode had a situation needing to medevac a crew member who was rather quite sick, but their on-board Merlin heli was out of commission, so they sailed within the range of a coastguard search & rescue chopper. The pilot of that had never landed on a moving ship before, but popped it down perfectly!

Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 22 April 2022 11:25
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?

?The interesting thing here Pat, is that the Harrier first flew in 1967, which pretty much pre-dates computers! 
Ask your friend if he was involved in this little adventure:
I remember taking my boys in their pushchairs to the Farnborough Air Show. That would be around 1975-78. I?m not sure now how or why, but we were in the front row of the VIP viewing area, which put us a lot closer to the fun than the general public were allowed. The highlight for us was when a truck came out and placed a large and presumably weighted balloon, I would guess about 4ft diameter, on the ground about 50yds in front of us. Then in came two Harriers from left and right of us, each fitted with a nose spike about half the Harrier?s body length long, and what looked like a sink plunger on the end (Daleks come to mind!). They hovered slowly towards each other and picked the balloon up. Then did a sort of airborne rotating pirouette around it before coming to a stationary hover. And then, a Hawker P1127 (earlier version of the Harrier) approached directly towards us, with nose spike, no plunger, and gently teased then pricked and burst the balloon, after which all three turned to the audience to literally take a bow. Massive applause, but drowned out by the incredible sound of three Harriers at close range!
Unbelievably spectacular! I know I had 35mm trannies of the shots I took at the time, but an awful lot of my old negs and trannies went missing, some intentionally, in a divorce and various house moves since then. I?m about to get back half a dozen Kodak carousel slide carriers from that era, and if this event is among them, I?ll post them here..
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6


On 21 Apr 2022, at 08:36, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
Some time ago I met the intended husband of a friend?s daughter. He was unshaven, barefoot, clad in torn jeans and a grubby T-shirt, and I wondered what Elizabeth had dragged in! He was well spoken, however, and I asked him what he did:
?I fly Harriers!?
Oh! Hi-five respect!
After the wedding which was at Britannia College at Dartmouth, neatly & smartly turned out in his RAF uniform (although he was RAF ? permitted at this Naval establishment) he was deployed to the USA, both West and East coast airbases, Edwards & Andrews and where he flies the F-35 stealth fighter. Was the second pilot to land on the new Queen Elizabeth carrier and the first UK pilot to take off. I?m not sure whether he was learning to fly the F-35, or teaching the Yanks the technique of VTOL. Hope to see him this summer so must ask him about this computer update whilst airborne!
Just goes to show that first impressions are not gospel ? I was really humbled.
?
Pat
?
Sent from Mail for Windows
?
From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 19 April 2022 18:54
To: Alan Taylor; tech1
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
?
Terrifying.
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 6:16 PM
To: tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
?
This article explains how the next generation of US fighter aircraft is likely to have the ability to update its software while in flight. 
?
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/
?
I think a pilot would need to have an amazing level of trust in competence of the software engineers to commence such a procedure in flight. I would also hope that it?s truly impossible for hostile agents to disrupt the software in any way while the aircraft is flying. 
?
Every so often we hear of problems or unintended consequences that have arisen as a result of software updates on critical computer systems such as those used for banking or running the internet.? The scope for serious consequences increases alarmingly if the computer being updated is flying at supersonic speeds and carrying deadly munitions.
?
Alan
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Apr 22 07:03:20 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:03:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
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Talking of Farnborough, way back in the day (as they say) actually 1978, I was working for OBs on the coverage of the Air Show. At that time we still used to have a GPO music wire to a point where there was a shed or something just near the runway ? presumably for a mic.
I was down doing the lines test  from there and suddenly a Harrier scooted along the runway and took off VERY close. Noisy things weren?t they ? and a bit frightening.
Main site rostrum was a bit busy with cameras, links and Comm box and what looks like a very long radio mic aerial wasn?t it!

Somewhere upstairs I have my Mums photo of the future Queen visiting Dartmouth Naval College in the 40s which was apparently where she spotted the future Duke and was ?hooked?

Mike

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 12:36 PM
To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?

I don?t know where the time goes!

I remember the Harriers at Farnborough ? probably saw them bowing on TV.

I did not get my friend?s uniform quite right in my earlier message.

(Corrected by my ex-Navy friend). Matt is a Commander, Royal Navy and a pilot in the Fleet Air Arm!!

He got married in the uniform of a Lieutenant, Royal Navy. His Guard of Honour was entirely RAF. This highly amused my Naval friend, having light blues amongst the dark blue of the Dartmouth establishment. The Fleet Air Arm is a totally separate Command within the RN.   

Musically, it was a great wedding in the Dartmouth chapel as his soon-to- be sister-in-law?s brother is the MD for ?The Sixteen? He rustled up half of them to sing, and played the organ.

I was interested in that there is no catapult launch on the Queen Elizabeth carrier. With the ski-jump ramp the aircraft have enough thrust not to need it. Think they land in vertical mode, but will find out.

 

Been watching ?Warship? (Action 5 CH33 on Tuesdays). The adventures of HMS Northumberland, a super looking frigate. Recent episode had a situation needing to medevac a crew member who was rather quite sick, but their on-board Merlin heli was out of commission, so they sailed within the range of a coastguard search & rescue chopper. The pilot of that had never landed on a moving ship before, but popped it down perfectly!

 

Best

Pat
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Fri Apr 22 14:28:35 2022
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:28:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
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Once freelance, I was lucky enough to have certain contacts within the services, and one of the shoots I was engaged in was providing footage for a training video for American forces to service Harriers. Seeing one 'in pieces' was somewhat jaw-dropping, as most of the plane was a gigantic jet engine, which the pilot sat on top of (OK, with some metal and insulation between that and his backside). Whilst shooting, and moving around the hanger, I kicked out at a large piece of twisted metal in my way. 'CAREFUL!' came a shout from one of the maintenance engineers, 'That's titanium!' and exactly engineered and bent to precise dimensions, probably worth at least half a million quid - ooops!

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 11:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> ?The interesting thing here Pat, is that the Harrier first flew in 1967, which pretty much pre-dates computers!
> Ask your friend if he was involved in this little adventure:
> I remember taking my boys in their pushchairs to the Farnborough Air Show. That would be around 1975-78. I?m not sure now how or why, but we were in the front row of the VIP viewing area, which put us a lot closer to the fun than the general public were allowed. The highlight for us was when a truck came out and placed a large and presumably weighted balloon, I would guess about 4ft diameter, on the ground about 50yds in front of us. Then in came two Harriers from left and right of us, each fitted with a nose spike about half the Harrier?s body length long, and what looked like a sink plunger on the end (Daleks come to mind!). They hovered slowly towards each other and picked the balloon up. Then did a sort of airborne rotating pirouette around it before coming to a stationary hover. And then, a Hawker P1127 (earlier version of the Harrier) approached directly towards us, with nose spike, no plunger, and gently teased then pricked and burst the balloon, after which all three turned to the audience to literally take a bow. Massive applause, but drowned out by the incredible sound of three Harriers at close range!
> Unbelievably spectacular! I know I had 35mm trannies of the shots I took at the time, but an awful lot of my old negs and trannies went missing, some intentionally, in a divorce and various house moves since then. I?m about to get back half a dozen Kodak carousel slide carriers from that era, and if this event is among them, I?ll post them here..
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
>
>> On 21 Apr 2022, at 08:36, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ?
>>
>> Some time ago I met the intended husband of a friend?s daughter. He was unshaven, barefoot, clad in torn jeans and a grubby T-shirt, and I wondered what Elizabeth had dragged in! He was well spoken, however, and I asked him what he did:
>>
>> ?I fly Harriers!?
>>
>> Oh! Hi-five respect!
>>
>> After the wedding which was at Britannia College at Dartmouth, neatly & smartly turned out in his RAF uniform (although he was RAF ? permitted at this Naval establishment) he was deployed to the USA, both West and East coast airbases, Edwards & Andrews and where he flies the F-35 stealth fighter. Was the second pilot to land on the new Queen Elizabeth carrier and the first UK pilot to take off. I?m not sure whether he was learning to fly the F-35, or teaching the Yanks the technique of VTOL. Hope to see him this summer so must ask him about this computer update whilst airborne!
>>
>> Just goes to show that first impressions are not gospel ? I was really humbled.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from [Mail](https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986) for Windows
>>
>> From: [David Newbitt via Tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
>> Sent: 19 April 2022 18:54
>> To: [Alan Taylor](mailto:alanaudio at me.com); [tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
>> Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
>>
>> Terrifying.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 6:16 PM
>>
>> To: tech1
>>
>> Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong?
>>
>> This article explains how the next generation of US fighter aircraft is likely to have the ability to update its software while in flight.
>>
>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a39752243/ngad-software/
>>
>> I think a pilot would need to have an amazing level of trust in competence of the software engineers to commence such a procedure in flight. I would also hope that it?s truly impossible for hostile agents to disrupt the software in any way while the aircraft is flying.
>>
>> Every so often we hear of problems or unintended consequences that have arisen as a result of software updates on critical computer systems such as those used for banking or running the internet. The scope for serious consequences increases alarmingly if the computer being updated is flying at supersonic speeds and carrying deadly munitions.
>>
>> Alan
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From hughsnape at talktalk.net  Fri Apr 22 15:48:23 2022
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Back in the ?90?s during the Bosnian war we filmed on HMS Invincible when she was on exercise off the Italian Adriatic coast. We were allowed to position ourselves quite near to the base of the ramp. The sound of the Harriers passing and then accelerating up the ramp was extraordinary and it was impossible to remain standing. The cameraman and I both sat down on the job and still were heavily buffeted! The sound of the Harriers taking off could be right down through the lower decks of the carrier too.

Hugh

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I haven?t seen this as yet.

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From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:56:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
 mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <69226E3E-17F6-4325-9DD6-17479BB10A1C@mac.com>
References: <mailman.589.1650655734.53219.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>
	<o0HAW3q6JgiV5LteVcKfjlnQTNtdYs7ZmaKjRKBXe_T0jwyA0EICvNm9YNVPrZF6WfiNpc39l0g0G-BzURbGrkGDLDGkigC1ibWMnCJkCp4=@protonmail.com>
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I do not get this from the Tech-Ops list, but I do receive acknowledgements from the AMPS Fellows mail group ? I guess it?s all how it?s set up with the server?
I don?t see my postings to Tech-Ops coming back.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: M E GILES via Tech1
Sent: 22 April 2022 23:03
To: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1" mailinglist

I haven?t seen this as yet.

Mike G

> On 22 Apr 2022, at 20:31, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've just received this message, do you all get this when sending now??
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail secure email.
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 20:28, <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>> The tech-ops server has received your message
> 
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From david.plaice at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 23 02:02:25 2022
From: david.plaice at googlemail.com (David Plaice)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 08:02:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
 mailing list
In-Reply-To: <o0HAW3q6JgiV5LteVcKfjlnQTNtdYs7ZmaKjRKBXe_T0jwyA0EICvNm9YNVPrZF6WfiNpc39l0g0G-BzURbGrkGDLDGkigC1ibWMnCJkCp4=@protonmail.com>
References: <mailman.589.1650655734.53219.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>
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Yes, I received that reply to a message sent on 4 April.

Dave

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022, 20:32 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>
> I've just received this message, do you all get this when sending now??
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail secure email.
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 20:28, <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
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>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 04:35:13 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:35:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
 mailing list
In-Reply-To: <o0HAW3q6JgiV5LteVcKfjlnQTNtdYs7ZmaKjRKBXe_T0jwyA0EICvNm9YNVPrZF6WfiNpc39l0g0G-BzURbGrkGDLDGkigC1ibWMnCJkCp4=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <5ddcf534-74ea-45de-6e15-cf6c36356b7d@ntlworld.com>

I set it up a while back as an attempt to overcome the problem with 
people not seeing their own posts. That bit I can't fix, so this is a 
trial of something different.? I have a feeling that most of these are 
going to spam folders, or that the system is unreliable with this too.

B



On 22/04/2022 20:31, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> I've just received this message, do you all get this when sending now??
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail secure email.
> ------- Original Message -------
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>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 04:35:24 2022
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:35:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
 mailing list
In-Reply-To: <o0HAW3q6JgiV5LteVcKfjlnQTNtdYs7ZmaKjRKBXe_T0jwyA0EICvNm9YNVPrZF6WfiNpc39l0g0G-BzURbGrkGDLDGkigC1ibWMnCJkCp4=@protonmail.com>
References: <mailman.589.1650655734.53219.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <df419a41-26c2-6ef1-f9bb-d960e1dd6f2e@gmail.com>

I set it up a while back as an attempt to overcome the problem with 
people not seeing their own posts. That bit I can't fix, so this is a 
trial of something different.? I have a feeling that most of these are 
going to spam folders, or that the system is unreliable with this too.

B



On 22/04/2022 20:31, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> I've just received this message, do you all get this when sending now??
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail secure email.
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 20:28,<tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>
>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Apr 23 05:42:16 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 11:42:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
 mailing list
In-Reply-To: <df419a41-26c2-6ef1-f9bb-d960e1dd6f2e@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.589.1650655734.53219.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>
	<o0HAW3q6JgiV5LteVcKfjlnQTNtdYs7ZmaKjRKBXe_T0jwyA0EICvNm9YNVPrZF6WfiNpc39l0g0G-BzURbGrkGDLDGkigC1ibWMnCJkCp4=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <202ba424-3ebf-be54-9868-665a3354f23e@davesound.co.uk>

I'm one of them. Sometimes a post gets through, sometimes not. Be 
interesting to know what filter the spam trap is using. Can't be an 
email address, as none from that would ever get through. So a bit of a 
mystery.

On 23/04/2022 10:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I set it up a while back as an attempt to overcome the problem with 
> people not seeing their own posts. That bit I can't fix, so this is a 
> trial of something different.? I have a feeling that most of these are 
> going to spam folders, or that the system is unreliable with this too.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 22/04/2022 20:31, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> I've just received this message, do you all get this when sending now??
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent with ProtonMail secure email.
>> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 20:28,<tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The tech-ops server has received your message
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 06:45:38 2022
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:45:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Test
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJmx_ckMsHUfEq2xadr0uo3SzLeEhV2bJXRJxSpM6jrPAg@mail.gmail.com>

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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 06:58:25 2022
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:58:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
 mailing list
In-Reply-To: <o0HAW3q6JgiV5LteVcKfjlnQTNtdYs7ZmaKjRKBXe_T0jwyA0EICvNm9YNVPrZF6WfiNpc39l0g0G-BzURbGrkGDLDGkigC1ibWMnCJkCp4=@protonmail.com>
References: <mailman.589.1650655734.53219.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <CAA=qGJk_Amp9Cmi3xuK0sZRxMr=bJ+Zz=gF1Fvc2npLfU1N_og@mail.gmail.com>

I (unexpectedly) received an auto-response to my test message.
Before sending that, I hadn't posted to this group for several months, so I
can't say how reliable this service is for me.
KW


On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 20:32, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> I've just received this message, do you all get this when sending now??
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail secure email.
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 20:28, <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> > The tech-ops server has received your message
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Apr 23 07:48:56 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 13:48:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
 mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJk_Amp9Cmi3xuK0sZRxMr=bJ+Zz=gF1Fvc2npLfU1N_og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.589.1650655734.53219.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>
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Time for Pat?s moan.
Perhaps we should have a.moan.com address?
I use Firefox as browser, but get annoyed when it does not accept typing into fields for passwords to various destinations. For getting onto one credit card, I have to use Google with a different password!
And Microsoft is a pain ? unwanted pop-ups, trying to sell something that I don?t want, just eff off and let me get on with what I want my computer to do, thank you.
We are being insidiously infiltrated by these Hi-tech companies, no doubt with 14-year olds playing computer games, messing with our lives!
Perhaps the San Andreas fault could open up and swallow the lot of them!
Bond- get in there with a suitable explosive from ?Q? !

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Keith Wicks via Tech1
Sent: 23 April 2022 12:58
To: techtone
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1" mailinglist

I (unexpectedly) received an auto-response to my test message.?
Before sending that, I hadn't posted to this group for several months, so I can't say how reliable this service is for me.
KW


On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 20:32, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I've just received this message, do you all get this when sending now??

TeaTeaFN - Tony



Sent with ProtonMail secure email.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Apr 23 09:26:52 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:26:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the
 "Tech1"mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJ=iAjw38F07==k5yCoJJO5kp3UPu73g8AWqfaJMBVkyRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.589.1650655734.53219.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>
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Thanks, Keith,
I use an Avast VPN which seems to work, but how do we know?
I don?t get any e-traffic from foreign sources, so maybe it?s OK.
We are led to believe (nose ring in place!), that personal computers are supposed to make our lives easier, but are we being spied on by CIA, FBI or our own GCHQ?
We now live in an age when communication is supposed to be paramount. But how frustrating are the telephone menus that never have the exact problem that your are ringing about.
Now that takes a rare degree of programming!
(Your call is important to us ? NO  It isn?t , please go away and let me drink my latte!) 
How about a game show programme, where the winner is permitted to kick the real arse of a senior executive or CEO, on camera.
Would they take part?
Nah.
Bah!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Keith Wicks
Sent: 23 April 2022 14:44
To: patheigham
Cc: techtone; Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"mailinglist

I know what you mean about Microsoft. I'm a Mac user, but I've been trying out the Microsoft Edge browser, mainly because it has a built-in VPN. Although I had notifications switched off, I kept getting daily reminders about updates to Edge. In the end I got rid of them, but that did entail my finding out about "important" notifications that were excluded from the general "no notifications" preference. I can't really remember just what I had to do, only that it took up a lot of my time.
KW





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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Apr 23 09:39:59 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:39:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
 mailinglist
In-Reply-To: <6263f5b8.1c69fb81.23a46.1041@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.589.1650655734.53219.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>
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Can't say I've had a problem with Firefox. But some of its 'add-ons'? 
can cause problems? Try running it in troubleshoot mode, which disables 
all your add-ons, etc. Menu -Help -Troubleshoot Mode. See if you still 
have problems with a particular site then.

Real trouble is so many expect online services to be 'free' these days. 
Hence the adverts.

On 23/04/2022 13:48, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Time for Pat?s moan.
>
> Perhaps we should have a.moan.com address?
>
> I use Firefox as browser, but get annoyed when it does not accept 
> typing into fields for passwords to various destinations. For getting 
> onto one credit card, I have to use Google with a different password!
>
> And Microsoft is a pain ? unwanted pop-ups, trying to sell something 
> that I don?t want, just eff off and let me get on with what I want my 
> computer to do, thank you.
>
> We are being insidiously infiltrated by these Hi-tech companies, no 
> doubt with 14-year olds playing computer games, messing with our lives!
>
> Perhaps the San Andreas fault could open up and swallow the lot of them!
>
> Bond- get in there with a suitable explosive from ?Q? !
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *Keith Wicks via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *23 April 2022 12:58
> *To: *techtone <mailto:techtone at protonmail.com>
> *Cc: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the 
> "Tech1" mailinglist
>
> I (unexpectedly) received an auto-response to my test message.
>
> Before sending that, I hadn't posted to this group for several months, 
> so I can't say how reliable this service is for me.
>
> KW
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 20:32, techtone via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I've just received this message, do you all get this when sending now??
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail secure email.
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 20:28, <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 08:44:10 2022
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 14:44:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Auto-response for your message to the "Tech1"
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In-Reply-To: <6263f5b8.1c69fb81.23a46.1041@mx.google.com>
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I know what you mean about Microsoft. I'm a Mac user, but I've been trying
out the Microsoft Edge browser, mainly because it has a built-in VPN.
Although I had notifications switched off, I kept getting daily reminders
about updates to Edge. In the end I got rid of them, but that did entail my
finding out about "important" notifications that were excluded from the
general "no notifications" preference. I can't really remember just what I
had to do, only that it took up a lot of my time.
KW


On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 13:48, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> Time for Pat?s moan.
>
> Perhaps we should have a.moan.com address?
>
> I use Firefox as browser, but get annoyed when it does not accept typing
> into fields for passwords to various destinations. For getting onto one
> credit card, I have to use Google with a different password!
>
> And Microsoft is a pain ? unwanted pop-ups, trying to sell something that
> I don?t want, just eff off and let me get on with what I want my computer
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On Saturday, April 23rd, 2022 at 14:44, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know what you mean about Microsoft. I'm a Mac user, but I've been trying out the Microsoft Edge browser, mainly because it has a built-in VPN. Although I had notifications switched off, I kept getting daily reminders about updates to Edge. In the end I got rid of them, but that did entail my finding out about "important" notifications that were excluded from the general "no notifications" preference. I can't really remember just what I had to do, only that it took up a lot of my time.
> KW
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 05:06:40 2022
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 11:06:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re:  Pipe bending)
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From: Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 10:45
Subject: Re: Desoldering (was Re: [Tech1] Pipe bending)
To: Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk>


Hello Peter

I agree that I'd probably want to stick with an electrically powered pump
if I ever tried one, but I'm now trying, with difficulty, to downsize (as
they say). I should really get rid of stuff, not add more to the great
piles of stuff I already have, in spite of the many temptations I see.

Your mention of Weller desoldering equipment reminded me that I have a
Weller soldering station awaiting purchase of a new part. And I wondered if
you had any views on soldering temperatures. I picked up a few soldering
stations. Generally, they have a 24 volt transformer and a temperature
control and get up to a usable temperature quicker than mains-voltage
irons. I avoid aluminium solder for new or replacement joints as it doesn't
seem to work so well and needs a higher temperature. But my favourite
soldering iron was of unknown make and price. It was a simple mains-voltage
iron that someone gave me with some components I bought. It heated up very
quickly and did a good, fast job. Then, after several years, it failed to
work. Only then did I discover, on close inspection, that although it had a
UK plug fitted, it was a 120-volt iron. That discovery has made me in
favour of high-temperature irons for soldering. And I later saw that I am
not the only one. In an on-line discussion about soldering irons and
temperatures, someone suggested using what he called the "hit and run
technique" with a very hot iron. I'd never come across that description
before, but I knew exactly what he meant.

With best wishes

Keith


On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 07:02, Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi Keith,
> I have occasionally over the years but before finally retiring in 2012,
> watched TVC/Elstree engineers sorting out bits of kit doing snip and scrap,
> and walking out ics etc and I don?t recall anyone using an electrically
> pumped sucker so I guess they must be a relatively newish invention. I bet
> if you could try one somewhere you would not look back! It almost makes
> desoldering fun!
> Nevertheless you can clearly cope without one, whereas I didn?t have that
> history of professional repair work and tricks of the trade to give me
> confidence.
>  I put off the Quad upgrade  for months for fear of wrecking things that
> were to be re-used but once started off with the ?Quick? and learning a few
> tricks it soon became a repeatedly successful routine, particularly when
> changing a handful of components on 50 year old pre-amp boards. Not quite
> as sweeping as the pic you sent but all the electrolytics were to be
> replaced as well as the transistors plus a few resistors of tighter
> tolerance or tweaked values
>  Incidentally the Quick is Chinese, it was just the pump that was claimed
> to be imported from Japan. I did a little bit of internet searching and it
> turned up in several places in mainland China. I have to say that it does
> appear to be well made although the supposedly available spares might be
> hard to source?  I haven?t had to try. That?s where the expensive Weller
> items might score?  I don?t know that either though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter Fox
>
> On 22 Apr 2022, at 08:04, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hello Peter
>
>
> Please accept my apologies for taking so long to reply to your messages.
> Thanks for your advice. I had not realised that the range of equipment and
> prices for desoldering equipment was so great. In fact, only recently did I
> become aware that there was more available than absorbent braid and the
> mechanically operated solder sucker (as well as an ordinary soldering iron,
> of course).
>
>
> I became aware of the motorised sucker when I saw one being used in a
> video provided by a ?repairer? who does a lot of desoldering. In fact,
> repairing now seems to be largely a matter of removing and replacing
> suspect components as it is difficult to follow circuits on PCBs with
> hidden tracks these days. (I remember when servicing was mostly a matter of
> logic, and one advertiser (in pre-solid-state days) stated that ?bottle
> changers need not apply?. But now all that has changed. Mind you, the
> extent that some component-changers now go to seems ridiculous to me.
> Here?s one example:
>
>
> [image: Desoldered components.png]
>
>
> I can no longer find the movie I saw of the motorised pump in action, so I
> started searching the internet. There I found simple mechanical pumps
> (which I have never been happy with, hot-air blowers, mechanical pumps with
> a built-in desoldering iron, and motorised pumps. Some devices were poorly
> described and so it was difficult to understand how they worked. For
> example, the following pictures advertise a ?30W electric solder sucker
> iron tool desoldering pump?. That sounded to me like a motorised pump, but
> it did not seem to be large enough to contain a sucker motor, and the price
> was only ?19 including delivery. And yet the detailed description stated
> that, although the heater power was 30W, the device also used
> ?Electromagnetic power 350W (instant)? That sounds like a motor to me.
>
>
> [image: Desoldering tool.png]
>
>
> Although I do lots of desoldering, only rarely would I need the best
> desoldering tool. And, from your investigations, I see that they would be
> much too expensive just for occasional use. In many cases, I am scrapping a
> PCB, so it doesn?t matter if I damage it when removing a component. I find
> it easy to remove components with up to four pins (sometimes more) using an
> ordinary soldering iron. Transformers with numerous pins are sometimes a
> problem, but a hot-air blower usually copes with them, although it makes
> the PCB a little darker in colour, and too hot to handle for a while. When
> repairing a faulty item, a damaged IC can be removed by cutting the pins
> and then desoldering them one by one.
>
>
> I suspect that I?d be happy only with a very expensive tool, so I shall
> probably forget about this intended purchase and continue as before. But
> your advice has been helpful in getting me to a decision.
>
>
> With thanks
>
>
> Keith
>
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 10:31, Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith
>> I bought a Quick 201b from PMTech, a firm near Colchester,
>>
>> https://www.pmtech.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=201b
>>
>> It was relatively expensive compared to the obviously Chinese imports as
>> seen on Ebay and Youtube and it was ?220 plus vat last summer. PMTech are
>> still showing it amongst tons of serious techno machines including a couple
>> of what looks like other desoldering pumps? It is now at ?235 so expect
>> ?295 inc delivery/vat and it was about twice the price of the well plugged
>> and popular machine on You Tube at that time. If I remember, the
>> ?influencers? main complaint about those, at that time,  was either a lack
>> of fan cooling or was it a noisy fan? Anyway this 201b is quiet and holds
>> its adjustable temperature, has a metal case rather than plastic and just
>> makes the expected pumping noise when you pull the trigger with almost
>> instant ?suck?. I bought it because the first joint I did on my shiny new
>> Dada Quad boards started to lift a track and that wasn?t because of age
>> (except mine). The old Quad boards are vulnerable to that as you might
>> expect, but this was meant to be a simple resistor move to an alternative
>> slot set up for the pnp/npn option, on a brand new and beautiful board and
>> I had started off by damaging the track and snapping off a leg of the
>> resistor I was meant to re-use.  I have never got the hang of the simple
>> sprung tube type with solder freezing with the pump jumping around, but
>> then am not a regular solderer!
>> This machine works beautifully, just get the nozzle on as square as poss
>> for a couple of secs and pull the trigger. Of course its easier if you are
>> scrapping the components and can chop them off.  Good job that some Quad
>> boards were stereo twins so I could refer to the other one!
>> There is a little flag on the gun that tells you if the vacuum is failing
>> due to either blockage or that the glass tube getting a bit full. The
>> momenum of the wet solder carries it to the back of the gun and it bounces
>> back off a replaceable washer and solidifies, contained by the glass tube
>> as it splatters, and that tube lifts out easily for the occasional
>> emptying. Absolutely vital not to switch off the machine with solder still
>> in the tube up the middle of the heating element because it?s then a pain
>> to clear. They give you a cleaning wire or broach for poking through.
>> That?s not required every time but if you suspect that its beginning to
>> lose effectiveness then give it a poke through before letting it cool. I?m
>> not sure now, having not used it for months but iirc you don?t switch off
>> to clear the glass tube.
>> You probably know most of that better than I do but if you havent used
>> one before you will wonder how you managed!  When I was searching there was
>> a serious machine on RS and still are. The Wellers are ?800 and ?1200 but
>> there is a  Chinese station at ?181 (all plus vat). The latter resembles
>> one I found on Youtube earlier that is plastic cased and was  being
>> reviewed by a Canadian. Pro?s Kit it was called.
>> My Quick 201b description is a bit ambiguous: ?Powerful Pump imported
>> from Japan? Just the pump? Whole thing?
>> I don?t know about spares, theres no link on PMTechs site
>> It made a scary job a lockdown therapy though!   Feel free to ask more.
>>
>> Peter Fox
>>
>> On 14 Apr 2022, at 04:28, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> You recently mentioned buying a powered solder sucker. I'm thinking of
>> doing the same. Any recommendations or warnings? Thanks.
>> KW
>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Apr 24 05:49:35 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 11:49:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re: Pipe bending)
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At one time, I was doing a lot of soldering at home. And once you've had 
an electric pump vacuum? de-solder iron, you'll wonder how you? managed 
before without. I've had a few, and Pace were the best. But a high 
price, and spare bits etc expensive too.

Being slightly tight for space, no maker did exactly what I wanted as a 
solder/de-solder station. At any price. So I made my own. Soldering 
irons are Antex 24v 50w. That Antex fits my had better than any, and has 
easy to change bits. I can select one of two, with small and medium bits 
fitted. De-solder handset is Pace, as it the pump. Also have a fairy 
cheap hot air rework station alongside - which came from CPC.

On 24/04/2022 11:06, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Keith Wicks* <keithwicksuk at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 10:45
> Subject: Re: Desoldering (was Re: [Tech1] Pipe bending)
> To: Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk>
>
>
> Hello Peter
>
> I agree that I'd probably want to stick with an electrically powered 
> pump if I ever tried one, but I'm now trying, with difficulty, to 
> downsize (as they say). I should really get rid of stuff, not add more 
> to the great piles of stuff I already have, in spite of the many 
> temptations I see.
>
> Your mention of Weller desoldering equipment reminded me that I have a 
> Weller soldering station awaiting purchase of a new part. And I 
> wondered if you had any views on soldering temperatures. I picked up a 
> few soldering stations. Generally, they have a 24 volt transformer and 
> a temperature control and get up to a usable temperature quicker than 
> mains-voltage irons. I avoid aluminium solder for new or replacement 
> joints as it doesn't seem to work so well and needs a higher 
> temperature. But my favourite soldering iron was of unknown make and 
> price. It was a simple mains-voltage iron that someone gave me with 
> some components I bought. It heated up very quickly and did a good, 
> fast job. Then, after several years, it failed to work. Only then did 
> I discover, on close inspection, that although it had a UK plug 
> fitted, it was a 120-volt iron. That discovery has made me in favour 
> of high-temperature irons for soldering. And I later saw that I am not 
> the only one. In an on-line discussion about soldering irons and 
> temperatures, someone suggested using what he called the "hit and run 
> technique" with a very hot iron. I'd never come across that 
> description before, but I knew exactly what he meant.
>
> With best wishes
>
> Keith
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 07:02, Peter Fox 
> <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     Hi Keith,
>     I have occasionally over the years but before finally retiring in
>     2012, watched TVC/Elstree engineers sorting out bits of kit doing
>     snip and scrap, and walking out ics etc and I don?t recall anyone
>     using an electrically pumped sucker so I guess they must be a
>     relatively newish invention. I bet if you could try one somewhere
>     you would not look back! It almost makes desoldering fun!
>     Nevertheless you can clearly cope without one, whereas I didn?t
>     have that history of professional repair work and tricks of the
>     trade to give me confidence.
>     ?I put off the Quad upgrade ?for months for fear of wrecking
>     things that were to be re-used but once started off with the
>     ?Quick? and learning a few tricks it soon became a repeatedly
>     successful routine, particularly when changing a handful of
>     components on 50 year old pre-amp boards. Not quite as sweeping as
>     the pic you sent but all the electrolytics were to be replaced as
>     well as the transistors plus a few resistors of tighter tolerance
>     or tweaked values
>     ?Incidentally the Quick is Chinese, it was just the pump that was
>     claimed to be imported from Japan. I did a little bit of internet
>     searching and it turned up in several places in mainland China. I
>     have to say that it does appear to be well made although the
>     supposedly available spares might be hard to source?? I haven?t
>     had to try. That?s where the expensive Weller items might score??
>     I don?t know that either though.
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Peter Fox
>
>     On 22 Apr 2022, at 08:04, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     ?
>
>     Hello Peter
>
>
>     Please accept my apologies for taking so long to reply to your
>     messages. Thanks for your advice. I had not realised that the
>     range of equipment and prices for desoldering equipment was so
>     great. In fact, only recently did I become aware that there was
>     more available than absorbent braid and the mechanically operated
>     solder sucker (as well as an ordinary soldering iron, of course).
>
>
>     I became aware of the motorised sucker when I saw one being used
>     in a video provided by a ?repairer? who does a lot of desoldering.
>     In fact, repairing now seems to be largely a matter of removing
>     and replacing suspect components as it is difficult to follow
>     circuits on PCBs with hidden tracks these days. (I remember when
>     servicing was mostly a matter of logic, and one advertiser (in
>     pre-solid-state days) stated that ?bottle changers need not
>     apply?. But now all that has changed. Mind you, the extent that
>     some component-changers now go to seems ridiculous to me. Here?s
>     one example:
>
>
>     Desoldered components.png
>
>
>     I can no longer find the movie I saw of the motorised pump in
>     action, so I started searching the internet. There I found simple
>     mechanical pumps (which I have never been happy with, hot-air
>     blowers, mechanical pumps with a built-in desoldering iron, and
>     motorised pumps. Some devices were poorly described and so it was
>     difficult to understand how they worked. For example, the
>     following pictures advertise a ?30W electric solder sucker iron
>     tool desoldering pump?. That sounded to me like a motorised pump,
>     but it did not seem to be large enough to contain a sucker motor,
>     and the price was only ?19 including delivery. And yet the
>     detailed description stated that, although the heater power was
>     30W, the device also used ?Electromagnetic power 350W (instant)?
>     That sounds like a motor to me.
>
>
>     Desoldering tool.png
>
>
>     Although I do lots of desoldering, only rarely would I need the
>     best desoldering tool. And, from your investigations, I see that
>     they would be much too expensive just for occasional use. In many
>     cases, I am scrapping a PCB, so it doesn?t matter if I damage it
>     when removing a component. I find it easy to remove components
>     with up to four pins (sometimes more) using an ordinary soldering
>     iron. Transformers with numerous pins are sometimes a problem, but
>     a hot-air blower usually copes with them, although it makes the
>     PCB a little darker in colour, and too hot to handle for a while.
>     When repairing a faulty item, a damaged IC can be removed by
>     cutting the pins and then desoldering them one by one.
>
>
>     I suspect that I?d be happy only with a very expensive tool, so I
>     shall probably forget about this intended purchase and continue as
>     before. But your advice has been helpful in getting me to a decision.
>
>
>     With thanks
>
>
>     Keith
>
>
>     On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 10:31, Peter Fox
>     <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk> wrote:
>
>         Hi Keith
>         I bought a Quick 201b from PMTech, a firm near Colchester,
>
>         https://www.pmtech.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=201b
>
>         It was relatively expensive compared to the obviously Chinese
>         imports as seen on Ebay and Youtube and it was ?220 plus vat
>         last summer. PMTech are still showing it amongst tons of
>         serious techno machines including a couple of what looks like
>         other desoldering pumps? It is now at ?235 so expect ?295 inc
>         delivery/vat and it was about twice the price of the well
>         plugged and popular machine on You Tube at that time. If I
>         remember, the ?influencers? main complaint about those, at
>         that time, ?was either a lack of fan cooling or was it a noisy
>         fan? Anyway this 201b is quiet and holds its adjustable
>         temperature, has a metal case rather than plastic and just
>         makes the expected pumping noise when you pull the trigger
>         with almost instant ?suck?. I bought it because the first
>         joint I did on my shiny new Dada Quad boards started to lift a
>         track and that wasn?t because of age (except mine). The old
>         Quad boards are vulnerable to that as you might expect, but
>         this was meant to be a simple resistor move to an alternative
>         slot set up for the pnp/npn option, on a brand new and
>         beautiful board and I had started off by damaging the track
>         and snapping off a leg of the resistor I was meant to re-use.?
>         I have never got the hang of the simple sprung tube type with
>         solder freezing with the pump jumping around, but then am not
>         a regular solderer!
>         This machine works beautifully, just get the nozzle on as
>         square as poss for a couple of secs and pull the trigger. Of
>         course its easier if you are scrapping the components and can
>         chop them off.? Good job that some Quad boards were stereo
>         twins so I could refer to the other one!
>         There is a little flag on the gun that tells you if the vacuum
>         is failing due to either blockage or that the glass tube
>         getting a bit full. The momenum of the wet solder carries it
>         to the back of the gun and it bounces back off a replaceable
>         washer and solidifies, contained by the glass tube as it
>         splatters, and that tube lifts out easily for the occasional
>         emptying. Absolutely vital not to switch off the machine with
>         solder still in the tube up the middle of the heating element
>         because it?s then a pain to clear. They give you a cleaning
>         wire or broach for poking through. That?s not required every
>         time but if you suspect that its beginning to lose
>         effectiveness then give it a poke through before letting it
>         cool. I?m not sure now, having not used it for months but iirc
>         you don?t switch off to clear the glass tube.
>         You probably know most of that better than I do but if you
>         havent used one before you will wonder how you managed!? When
>         I was searching there was a serious machine on RS and still
>         are. The Wellers are ?800 and ?1200 but there is a ?Chinese
>         station at ?181 (all plus vat). The latter resembles one I
>         found on Youtube earlier that is plastic cased and was ?being
>         reviewed by a Canadian. Pro?s Kit it was called.
>         My Quick 201b description is a bit ambiguous: ?Powerful Pump
>         imported from Japan? Just the pump? Whole thing?
>         I don?t know about spares, theres no link on PMTechs site
>         It made a scary job a lockdown therapy though! ? Feel free to
>         ask more.
>
>         Peter Fox
>
>         On 14 Apr 2022, at 04:28, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com>
>         wrote:
>
>         ?
>         You recently mentioned buying a powered solder sucker. I'm
>         thinking of doing the same. Any recommendations or warnings?
>         Thanks.
>         KW
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Apr 24 05:49:43 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 11:49:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re:  Pipe bending)
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References: <CAA=qGJmYFa61Jeucpu2M6cii0GxORpbHTK1rjm+ExsqxDUK2XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91C982FE-0D14-4962-A454-8F888E3CAD18@me.com>

Like many who dabble in electronics, I?ve had quite a few soldering irons over the years, from cheap and cheerful through to all singing, all dancing ones.  I now do most of my work with a couple of fairly basic Antex irons with no temperature controls. One has a fine tip for delicate work, the other a bit more meaty tip and a more powerful element for connectors and terminals.  They get hot quite quickly and the one with the thicker tip has enough thermal mass to get any job done rapidly.  I?m definitely in the hot and quick camp when it comes to soldering.  

I was given a huge electric soldering iron which is about as old as I am, but I rarely use it. The chisel bit is about the size of a walnut.  It?s far too bulky for electronics, but excellent for neatly soldering metalwork together. 

For desoldering, I use a spring loaded solder sucker.  It seems to do the job, but they don?t last long, however for only a couple of pounds each, they don?t need to last long. If traces of solder remain on something like a connector, getting it hot and tapping it upside down sharply on the bench  does a great job of transferring the last scraps of solder from the terminal onto the back bedroom carpet.

Alan Taylor



> On 24 Apr 2022, at 11:07, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Peter
> 
> I agree that I'd probably want to stick with an electrically powered pump if I ever tried one, but I'm now trying, with difficulty, to downsize (as they say). I should really get rid of stuff, not add more to the great piles of stuff I already have, in spite of the many temptations I see.
> 
> Your mention of Weller desoldering equipment reminded me that I have a Weller soldering station awaiting purchase of a new part. And I wondered if you had any views on soldering temperatures. I picked up a few soldering stations. Generally, they have a 24 volt transformer and a temperature control and get up to a usable temperature quicker than mains-voltage irons. I avoid aluminium solder for new or replacement joints as it doesn't seem to work so well and needs a higher temperature. But my favourite soldering iron was of unknown make and price. It was a simple mains-voltage iron that someone gave me with some components I bought. It heated up very quickly and did a good, fast job. Then, after several years, it failed to work. Only then did I discover, on close inspection, that although it had a UK plug fitted, it was a 120-volt iron. That discovery has made me in favour of high-temperature irons for soldering. And I later saw that I am not the only one. In an on-line discussion about soldering irons and temperatures, someone suggested using what he called the "hit and run technique" with a very hot iron. I'd never come across that description before, but I knew exactly what he meant. 
> 
> With best wishes
> 
> Keith
> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Apr 24 06:39:50 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 12:39:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re:  Pipe bending)
In-Reply-To: <91C982FE-0D14-4962-A454-8F888E3CAD18@me.com>
References: <CAA=qGJmYFa61Jeucpu2M6cii0GxORpbHTK1rjm+ExsqxDUK2XA@mail.gmail.com>
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I have one of those blue chassis ones that were standard issue in BBC but unfortunately the bit finally burnt away and it was too difficult/expensive to replace so it sits in garage cupboard as yet another memory!
My original Henly Solon is somewhere but also probably beyond repair!
AHHH ? just found it in garage bottom drawer but also beyond repair.

Most cheapies nowadays are almost ?throw away?.

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Apr 24 06:55:53 2022
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 12:55:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re: Pipe bending)
In-Reply-To: <C8BAB6B8F13A4C5D8A575D2E84F65D04@Gigabyte>
References: <CAA=qGJmYFa61Jeucpu2M6cii0GxORpbHTK1rjm+ExsqxDUK2XA@mail.gmail.com>
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Since I was paying for my own spares, I specified two things on my home 
built one.

Doesn't power up the irons when the PS sees mains. Auto power down after 
a couple of hours.

Based on just about every repair area I saw in TV. Even when deserted, 
the Weller iron would be on.

On 24/04/2022 12:39, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> I have one of those blue chassis ones that were standard issue in BBC 
> but unfortunately the bit finally burnt away and it was too 
> difficult/expensive to replace so it sits in garage cupboard as yet 
> another memory!
> My original Henly Solon is somewhere but also probably beyond repair!
> AHHH ? just found it in garage bottom drawer but also beyond repair.
> Most cheapies nowadays are almost ?throw away?.
> Mike
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Apr 25 01:58:37 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 07:58:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re: Pipe bending)
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References: <CAA=qGJmYFa61Jeucpu2M6cii0GxORpbHTK1rjm+ExsqxDUK2XA@mail.gmail.com>
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Talking of soldering irons, I equipped my travelling tool box with small Antex mains one, plus a 12v iron to run of the camera car battery, then a propane one which uses lighter fuel. Perhaps I should not fly the kit with the fuel inside the box! Used the gas one to resolder the downlead of a friend?s boat radio aerial when he had a new mast stepped. The stiff breeze up the River Dart kept cooling the iron, so had to build a windbreak from life jackets, while bobbing about on the water!
Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 24 April 2022 12:56
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re: Pipe bending)

Since I was paying for my own spares, I specified two things on my home built one.
Doesn't power up the irons when the PS sees mains. Auto power down after a couple of hours.
Based on just about every repair area I saw in TV. Even when deserted, the Weller iron would be on.
On 24/04/2022 12:39, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
I have one of those blue chassis ones that were standard issue in BBC but unfortunately the bit finally burnt away and it was too difficult/expensive to replace so it sits in garage cupboard as yet another memory!
My original Henly Solon is somewhere but also probably beyond repair!
AHHH ? just found it in garage bottom drawer but also beyond repair.
?
Most cheapies nowadays are almost ?throw away?.
?
Mike
?





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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Apr 25 11:50:45 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 17:50:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re: Pipe bending)
In-Reply-To: <6266469d.1c69fb81.38135.c195@mx.google.com>
References: <6266469d.1c69fb81.38135.c195@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A48EEE23-90F1-4A57-9CBA-AEDCF9F8E6FD@me.com>

I?ve never had much luck with gas powered soldering irons.  I?ve had two, a cheap one and then one from a reputable brand when I deduced that buying cheap tools was false economy. They work OK when full of gas, but both have slowly leaked, which means that I need to carry a spare gas can too. I have the same problem with a micro butane blowtorch.  The butane has always leaked away by the time I want to use it. My butane blow lamp used for plumbing and cooking works a treat and retains gas perfectly.

For portable soldering, I ended up carrying around a compact 12V to 230V 150W inverter with adapters to power it either from my car or via XLR4s from my equipment batteries.  Adaptors I always carry would expand the range of power sources further.  I could then use my trusty mains soldering iron anywhere.  

The inverter turned out to be a useful thing to keep in my kit box as it allowed almost anything that plugs into the wall to be powered from batteries.  Over the years, apart from allowing portable soldering, it?s recharged peoples phones and laptops, run a mains powered mixer, operated power tools, powered special effects gear, powered an iron when costume dept were working on a moving steam train, and been used both for task lighting and illumination for filming. 

Alan



> On 25 Apr 2022, at 07:59, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Talking of soldering irons, I equipped my travelling tool box with small Antex mains one, plus a 12v iron to run of the camera car battery, then a propane one which uses lighter fuel. Perhaps I should not fly the kit with the fuel inside the box! Used the gas one to resolder the downlead of a friend?s boat radio aerial when he had a new mast stepped. The stiff breeze up the River Dart kept cooling the iron, so had to build a windbreak from life jackets, while bobbing about on the water!
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: 24 April 2022 12:56
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Desoldering (was Re: Pipe bending)
>  
> Since I was paying for my own spares, I specified two things on my home built one.
> 
> Doesn't power up the irons when the PS sees mains. Auto power down after a couple of hours.
> 
> Based on just about every repair area I saw in TV. Even when deserted, the Weller iron would be on.
> 
> On 24/04/2022 12:39, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> I have one of those blue chassis ones that were standard issue in BBC but unfortunately the bit finally burnt away and it was too difficult/expensive to replace so it sits in garage cupboard as yet another memory!
> My original Henly Solon is somewhere but also probably beyond repair!
> AHHH ? just found it in garage bottom drawer but also beyond repair.
>  
> Most cheapies nowadays are almost ?throw away?.
>  
> Mike
>  
> 
> 
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> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Apr 28 12:37:57 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:37:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Coast path walking.
Message-ID: <423B948CCC4D444081F8E5D71B2330D1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I am encouraged to stray from the technical as the great outdoors has been in the past the subject of many posts. I wonder just how frequently members have been taken aback at the sight of coast path walkers totally disregarding warnings about erosion and staying clear of cliff edges where advised to do so. Attached two photos taken about 3 weeks ago suggests rescue services are in little danger of being short of work.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Apr 29 01:36:45 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 07:36:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Coast path walking.
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Stupid people!
If you watch the ?Saving Lives at Sea? series, you see the RNLI crews risking their lives to rescue folks who have unwisely fallen down cliffs.
Not only do these unfortunates put their lives at stake, they expose others to danger, not to mention the palava of rescue helicopters.

Pat

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 28 April 2022 18:38
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: [Tech1] Coast path walking.

I am encouraged to stray from the technical as the great outdoors has been in the past the subject of many posts. I wonder just how frequently members have been taken aback at the sight of coast path walkers totally disregarding warnings about erosion and staying clear of cliff edges where advised to do so. Attached two photos taken about 3 weeks ago suggests rescue services are in little danger of being short of work.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Apr 29 04:09:13 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:09:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV programme Ch4 Tuesday  May 3rd
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>From Radio Times:
May 3rd Ch4 10:05
The Man with a Penis on His Arm
Documentary following men who have had new or replacement penises constructed for them by surgeons, including Malcolm who, having lost his 12 years ago, had a new one made on his arm.

One wonders, if he gets too exited, whether his arm throws up a Nazi salute!

Pat

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Apr 29 05:25:29 2022
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:25:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Coast path walking.
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A few years ago I was walking the coastal path past Durdle Door, took some pictures and noticed there were a couple of lads jumping off the rocks into the sea.  It looked very dangerous. 

Half an hour later when we finished our walk and were starting to retrace our steps, I grabbed some pictures of an Air Sea Rescue helicopter flying fast and low.  Unsurprisingly, when we reached Durdle Door, they were trying to air lift a seriously injured young man to hospital after he had jumped off the rocks.  

Everybody knows those rocks are dangerous. There are prominent warning signs in multiple places.  News reports frequently tell of people being killed or getting seriously injured, but I?ve rarely walked past there without seeing people on those rocks.

Alan



> On 29 Apr 2022, at 07:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Stupid people!
> If you watch the ?Saving Lives at Sea? series, you see the RNLI crews risking their lives to rescue folks who have unwisely fallen down cliffs.
> Not only do these unfortunates put their lives at stake, they expose others to danger, not to mention the palava of rescue helicopters.
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
> Sent: 28 April 2022 18:38
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> Subject: [Tech1] Coast path walking.
>  
> I am encouraged to stray from the technical as the great outdoors has been in the past the subject of many posts. I wonder just how frequently members have been taken aback at the sight of coast path walkers totally disregarding warnings about erosion and staying clear of cliff edges where advised to do so. Attached two photos taken about 3 weeks ago suggests rescue services are in little danger of being short of work.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Apr 29 15:13:37 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 21:13:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling
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Is anyone else annoyed at the dog?s breakfast that seems to be the bane of the broadcast scheduling of the snooker.
Channel switching occurs, from BBC2 to BBC4, mid match, but there is no vision overlap. We get treated to the opening title sequence on the incoming channel, therefore missing some of the action. Wimbledon tennis manages the changeover with both channels running vision until a suitable moment.
BBC has four channels to play with, why not devote one channel to snooker/tennis, and distribute other programmes around the other three channels?
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 15:25:50 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 21:25:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling
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Isn?t it on the red button channel all day?

You think that?s bad ? BBC2 Wales has had rugby instead of the Snooker all evening.



From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 9:13 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling

Is anyone else annoyed at the dog?s breakfast that seems to be the bane of the broadcast scheduling of the snooker.

Channel switching occurs, from BBC2 to BBC4, mid match, but there is no vision overlap. We get treated to the opening title sequence on the incoming channel, therefore missing some of the action. Wimbledon tennis manages the changeover with both channels running vision until a suitable moment.

BBC has four channels to play with, why not devote one channel to snooker/tennis, and distribute other programmes around the other three channels?

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Apr 29 15:35:23 2022
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 21:35:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling
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On top of which, Gardeners World clashes 50% with HIGNFY,  which is B annoying.  

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 29 Apr 2022, at 21:26, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> ?
> Isn?t it on the red button channel all day?
> 
> You think that?s bad ? BBC2 Wales has had rugby instead of the Snooker all evening.
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> From: patheigham via Tech1
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> Is anyone else annoyed at the dog?s breakfast that seems to be the bane of the broadcast scheduling of the snooker.
> Channel switching occurs, from BBC2 to BBC4, mid match, but there is no vision overlap. We get treated to the opening title sequence on the incoming channel, therefore missing some of the action. Wimbledon tennis manages the changeover with both channels running vision until a suitable moment.
> BBC has four channels to play with, why not devote one channel to snooker/tennis, and distribute other programmes around the other three channels?
> Pat
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Apr 29 16:06:30 2022
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 22:06:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Amazing scenes on Eastenders
Message-ID: <FFE7AB57E7DE4CE5B3A62B66A4FDF99B@Gigabyte>

I know EE is not for everyone but last nights edition has some totally amazing scenes reminiscent of when  even regular serial shows like this had them.

Specifically (and excuse my using cast names) stuff shot in Southend (which I was regularly taken to as child so recognise some bits) where there was a whole segment with Jean Slater in the very fast big dipper and shot from behind her heading down the slopes and cross cut with her totally enthused and excited shot looking up into her face.

The second amazingly clever stuff was shot inside the huge ?Hall of Mirrors? where she was shot from all sorts of angles with much cutting between reflected in the mirrors and one where she was seeing herself and responding with her reflection. The twirling around ?lost? was out of this world.

And then of course she was found by Stacy also with multiple cross cut reflections and a chase around where she was lost in her own reflection with different angles ? hence shapes ? of herself as she ran around.

Even the final scene shot on the beach as they went down to and into the sea was amazing and there was a beautiful closing sequence when the clear blue summer sky was replaced by huge storm clouds at sunset ? WOW!!

I haven?t seen such brilliant stuff on TV for years ? even more effective than some Hitchcock films.

It must be on iPlayer and not to be missed.

Lets all watch it and start a discussion.

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Apr 29 17:33:50 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 22:33:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazing scenes on Eastenders
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Totally agree. Spactacular by all departments. Why does it take soaps to show how TV drama could and should be? We switched the latest one, Life after Life, off after the first five minutes.
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

On 29 Apr 2022, at 22:07, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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I know EE is not for everyone but last nights edition has some totally amazing scenes reminiscent of when  even regular serial shows like this had them.

Specifically (and excuse my using cast names) stuff shot in Southend (which I was regularly taken to as child so recognise some bits) where there was a whole segment with Jean Slater in the very fast big dipper and shot from behind her heading down the slopes and cross cut with her totally enthused and excited shot looking up into her face.

The second amazingly clever stuff was shot inside the huge ?Hall of Mirrors? where she was shot from all sorts of angles with much cutting between reflected in the mirrors and one where she was seeing herself and responding with her reflection. The twirling around ?lost? was out of this world.

And then of course she was found by Stacy also with multiple cross cut reflections and a chase around where she was lost in her own reflection with different angles ? hence shapes ? of herself as she ran around.

Even the final scene shot on the beach as they went down to and into the sea was amazing and there was a beautiful closing sequence when the clear blue summer sky was replaced by huge storm clouds at sunset ? WOW!!

I haven?t seen such brilliant stuff on TV for years ? even more effective than some Hitchcock films.

It must be on iPlayer and not to be missed.

Lets all watch it and start a discussion.

Mike Jordan
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Apr 30 02:34:11 2022
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 08:34:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling
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Oh Yes, quite right, David. I couldn?t switch on the subtitles, until I accidentally came out of iPlayer ? when logging back in, there they were!
(I needed them for HIGNFY).

Could someone put a muzzle on John Virgo? He constantly witters on and masks the umpire announcing the running scores.
But there was some brilliant play from both matches yesterday!
Quite interesting early on when the table technician was called out to check the level!
I like the snooker, because the players are gentlemen ? nicely, smartly turned out and polite to their opponents ? really good manners.

Having tried to understand Applied Mathematics at ?A? level, and knowing a bit about Coefficient of Restitution ? (behaviour of colliding objects), I wonder if the players have a computer in their brains, or is it just an instinct to know how to play a shot. Very impressive.

Surprised that BBC Wales didn?t show the match with Williams ? a Welshman!

Pat

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From: David Brunt
Sent: 29 April 2022 21:25
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling

Isn?t it on the red button channel all day?

You think that?s bad ? BBC2 Wales has had rugby instead of the Snooker all evening.
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Apr 30 03:12:13 2022
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 08:12:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dave Hewitt
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Do we know a Dave Hewitt who might have worked on a recording of the Houston Grand Opera in 1996? The name rings a bell with me. He?s credited for sound on a DVD, and one of our US-based IPS members is asking for info about the recording.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6

From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 05:01:42 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:01:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling
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Oh, don?t get me started on cheating Higgins.  He should have been banned for life after the match fixing.  I wouldn?t discount him still being given a few brown envelopes for all the easy sitting balls he fails to hit or pocket. The more you watch him the more he always seems to ?accidentally? miss really easy balls.

The snooker commentary team was hugely improved in the last few years in the period when Virgo was off ill or suspended.  He and Dennis Taylor really should be pensioned off the good they are anymore. The rest of the team is a lot better (as is the Eurosport one, except for ?one time? Joe Johnson.

Rugby outranks everything on BBC Wales. Almost every Friday during winter there?s a two or three hour opt out, knocking out the entire regular BBC2 schedule. Then some of those Network shows get shoehorned into a Saturday, so disrupts all those Network shows as well.  






From: patheigham 
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 8:34 AM
To: David Brunt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling

Oh Yes, quite right, David. I couldn?t switch on the subtitles, until I accidentally came out of iPlayer ? when logging back in, there they were!

(I needed them for HIGNFY).

 

Could someone put a muzzle on John Virgo? He constantly witters on and masks the umpire announcing the running scores.

But there was some brilliant play from both matches yesterday!

Quite interesting early on when the table technician was called out to check the level!

I like the snooker, because the players are gentlemen ? nicely, smartly turned out and polite to their opponents ? really good manners.

 

Having tried to understand Applied Mathematics at ?A? level, and knowing a bit about Coefficient of Restitution ? (behaviour of colliding objects), I wonder if the players have a computer in their brains, or is it just an instinct to know how to play a shot. Very impressive.

 

Surprised that BBC Wales didn?t show the match with Williams ? a Welshman!

 

Pat

 

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Isn?t it on the red button channel all day?

You think that?s bad ? BBC2 Wales has had rugby instead of the Snooker all evening.

 

 




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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Apr 30 05:25:21 2022
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:25:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling
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Your prayers answered David:-



Dave Newbitt.



From: David Brunt via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 11:01 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; patheigham 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling

Oh, don?t get me started on cheating Higgins.  He should have been banned for life after the match fixing.  I wouldn?t discount him still being given a few brown envelopes for all the easy sitting balls he fails to hit or pocket. The more you watch him the more he always seems to ?accidentally? miss really easy balls.

The snooker commentary team was hugely improved in the last few years in the period when Virgo was off ill or suspended.  He and Dennis Taylor really should be pensioned off the good they are anymore. The rest of the team is a lot better (as is the Eurosport one, except for ?one time? Joe Johnson.

Rugby outranks everything on BBC Wales. Almost every Friday during winter there?s a two or three hour opt out, knocking out the entire regular BBC2 schedule. Then some of those Network shows get shoehorned into a Saturday, so disrupts all those Network shows as well.  






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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 05:28:56 2022
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:28:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling
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I?m surprised it took them this long...



From: David Newbitt 
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 11:25 AM
To: David Brunt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; patheigham 
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling

Your prayers answered David:-



Dave Newbitt.



From: David Brunt via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 11:01 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; patheigham 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Snooker scheduling

Oh, don?t get me started on cheating Higgins.  He should have been banned for life after the match fixing.  I wouldn?t discount him still being given a few brown envelopes for all the easy sitting balls he fails to hit or pocket. The more you watch him the more he always seems to ?accidentally? miss really easy balls.

The snooker commentary team was hugely improved in the last few years in the period when Virgo was off ill or suspended.  He and Dennis Taylor really should be pensioned off the good they are anymore. The rest of the team is a lot better (as is the Eurosport one, except for ?one time? Joe Johnson.

Rugby outranks everything on BBC Wales. Almost every Friday during winter there?s a two or three hour opt out, knocking out the entire regular BBC2 schedule. Then some of those Network shows get shoehorned into a Saturday, so disrupts all those Network shows as well.  






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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Apr 30 08:39:34 2022
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:39:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dave Hewitt
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We had an Andy Hewitt on sound who went freelance with his own studio, probably in the late 90s, but he sadly died very young of a brain tumour. Biggest turnout for a memorial service that I?ve ever seen. He was a lovely guy and very talented. 

Mike G

> On 30 Apr 2022, at 09:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Do we know a Dave Hewitt who might have worked on a recording of the Houston Grand Opera in 1996? The name rings a bell with me. He?s credited for sound on a DVD, and one of our US-based IPS members is asking for info about the recording.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6
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