From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Wed Sep 1 04:00:48 2021 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 10:00:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] M&W Message-ID: <000201d79f0f$dbb49610$931dc230$@soundsuper.co.uk> Thoroughly enjoying a young sounding Penelope Keith reading this book about M&W - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000z5vg Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Sep 1 10:22:51 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 16:22:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] M&W In-Reply-To: <000201d79f0f$dbb49610$931dc230$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <000201d79f0f$dbb49610$931dc230$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <596531e15edavesound@btinternet.com> Yup - this sort of think on R4 is worth the licence alone. In article <000201d79f0f$dbb49610$931dc230$@soundsuper.co.uk>, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > Thoroughly enjoying a young sounding Penelope Keith reading this book about > M&W - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000z5vg > > Rob -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 10:26:31 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 16:26:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] M&W In-Reply-To: <000201d79f0f$dbb49610$931dc230$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <000201d79f0f$dbb49610$931dc230$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: By Louis Barfe, of this parish B On Wed, 1 Sep 2021, 10:01 Robert Miles via Tech1, wrote: > Thoroughly enjoying a young sounding Penelope Keith reading this book > about M&W - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000z5vg > > > > Rob > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although the shot of Dick was more or less head to knees, we were on the 60 degree, and only a few feet from him. Once more, much more urgent, 'Wham in one!' We still didn't move. Whilst the next extremely loudly bellowed instruction was being received, 'WHAM IN ONE!!!' John called the boom over (4033 in a Mole boom) there being no reverse TB in those days, and shouted back into it, 'Ernest, WE ARE IN.' 'Well, wham out, then.' Part of the warm-up for the show, done by Ernest himself, was asking the audience if anyone had any sweets. He then helped himself to many of the ones proffered by the old dears (What's that? Us? Old? Heaven forfend). On the last of the series, the floor manager, none other than Jimmy Moir (probably the show's PA), went along the audience queue outside the studio before they entered with a bag of sweets, and said to each and everyone, giving them all a sweet, 'When asked if anyone has a sweet, just throw these at him.' It was probably the first time the whole crew made sure they were on the floor to hear all of Earnie's warm-up. The stunt worked a treat, and the audience's timing was almost completely synchronous. I don't think anyone had ever seen Ernie completely at a loss for words for what seemed like ages. Such a pity in those days that we didn't have the flexibility of running to record beforehand (have you any idea how much these tapes cost,and just for an audience gag? You can just imagine the high heijins spluttering). But give the man his due, he produced some of the best moments of tv light entertainment, probably his best known , and arguably his piece de resistance, was the M&W Singing in the Rain sequence. And what prompted these thoughts of Ernie and his exploits was the following clip I stumbled across recently, which won the Golden Rose at Montreux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZM33ynvBKg TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 8 09:34:28 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 15:34:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 2021 Proms Message-ID: <6138c9f4.1c69fb81.b97fb.f112@mx.google.com> 2021 Proms, Enjoyed a couple of these, as a good friend was singing in one of them. Interested to see that use was made of mics on very tall stalks. Like the AKG capsule extensions but much longer, Shoeps? Who can tell me. Presumably very much easier to position and/or move, and change, if they misbehave, without slinging from the roof. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 8 13:47:24 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 19:47:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing Message-ID: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> Has anyone noticed the technique of very fast cutting on commercials. Hardly any time to register. Deliberate to confuse the viewers? Subliminal? I did hear of an African tribe when the film crew showed them a film and they had no persistence of vision, and could not understand why they saw a series of still frames. (Cue joke ? Marilyn Monroe?s bum doesn?t wiggle ? It?s called persistence of vision!) Pat (waiting for Alastair to have another go at me!) Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Wed Sep 8 14:32:15 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 19:32:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I thought the use of subliminal images was against the law ? I seem to remember that Monty Python slipped them in a couple of programmes to make a point ? When I was at Uni the teaching team did an experiment on us using them on us to see if we registered them The teaching staff (psychology department) did lots of these mini experiments to make points. We went on a days visit to J. Walter Thompson where we were shown all the tricks they used to sell stuff, interestingly it tallied with the psychology departments course exactly They just used different names for the techniques All very interesting ! Sarax Sent from my iPhone On 8 Sep 2021, at 19:47, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Has anyone noticed the technique of very fast cutting on commercials. Hardly any time to register. Deliberate to confuse the viewers? Subliminal? I did hear of an African tribe when the film crew showed them a film and they had no persistence of vision, and could not understand why they saw a series of still frames. (Cue joke ? Marilyn Monroe?s bum doesn?t wiggle ? It?s called persistence of vision!) Pat (waiting for Alastair to have another go at me!) Sent from Mail for Windows ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 14:44:47 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 20:44:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> You mean stuff with maybe ten frames of each shot?? On my film course in about 1979 we had that sort of thing demonstrated, using a corn flakes ad I think. More recently I showed a couple of fight sequences to a group. The first was Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone in Robin Hood (1938), and the second was from The Witcher (2020).? These days fight shots are similarly very short, with lots of shots.? Gives much more dramatic action, whilst the Robin Hood sequence required much more skill from the actors. As for subliminals, you can't do it on television because the shortest shot is 1/25th second, and I've spent a good bit of my life saying "There's a frame in there" in edit suites, and here on the computer. B On 08/09/2021 19:47, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Has anyone noticed the technique of very fast cutting on commercials. > Hardly any time to register. > > Deliberate to confuse the viewers? > > Subliminal? > > I did hear of an African tribe when the film crew showed them a film > and they had no persistence of vision, and could not understand why > they saw a series of still frames. > > (Cue joke ? Marilyn Monroe?s bum doesn?t wiggle ? It?s called > persistence of vision!) > > Pat > > (waiting for Alastair to have another go at me!) > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 9 02:35:14 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 08:35:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> Yes, I think that?s what I meant. Agree that subliminal is the wrong word in this instance. Obviously, fight sequences have to be carefully choreographed to avoid real serious injury ? that?s where the skill of the stunts guys is most needed. I recall that when commercials were made on film, the directors often shot at 24fps, as more images could be squeezed in when run at TV 25fps. Editing technique is not as magic as earlier, since with home video recorders, it?s possible to analyse a shot frame by frame. Rather spoils the illusion? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 08 September 2021 20:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Flash editing You mean stuff with maybe ten frames of each shot?? On my film course in about 1979 we had that sort of thing demonstrated, using a corn flakes ad I think. More recently I showed a couple of fight sequences to a group. The first was Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone in Robin Hood (1938), and the second was from The Witcher (2020).? These days fight shots are similarly very short, with lots of shots.? Gives much more dramatic action, whilst the Robin Hood sequence required much more skill from the actors. As for subliminals, you can't do it on television because the shortest shot is 1/25th second, and I've spent a good bit of my life saying "There's a frame in there" in edit suites, and here on the computer. B ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 9 03:05:41 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 09:05:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic to chew on Message-ID: <6139c054.1c69fb81.f152.59e6@mx.google.com> OK, this one is about Mike Bentine?s Square World ? I worked on several, including the entry for the Golden Rose of Montreux. One set up was quite brilliant. A singer ? think it was Benny Green, walked from the back of the stage, and settled himself on a stool, in sideways profile. Lights down, so he was in silhouette. Starts singing: ?They Can?t Take That Away From Me? Inset into his head, a telecine cartoon of gnomes is superimposed ? one peering through a telescope, reading the words at eye level, and instructing another to yank on a rope to operate the mouth actions. The stool had an earpiece fitted on a stalk, into which Benny could tuck himself to mime to the film track. Mike McCarthy was the ace gram op on Square World and produced all the effects required by Bentine for his animated models with invisible cast! This memory was prompted by a re-run of Parky?s interview with the Goons ? Bentine was originally one of them, but left to do other things. (His monologue of the toasts at a banquet is hysterical). Still on the comedy/satire front, I managed to obtain a DVD of ?Beyond the Fringe? It was the recording I worked on from TVT. Sadly, only Alan Bennett is still with us (87, now). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 04:57:13 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 10:57:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 09/09/2021 08:35, patheigham wrote: > Editing technique is not as magic as earlier, since with home video > recorders, it?s possible to analyse a shot frame by frame. On film you could always examine every frame, in fact only on 2" did you have a problem in that area, because if you stopped the picture went away. I've edited on 35mm, 16mm, 2", 1", D1, D2, D3, Betacam, BetaSP, Optima, Edius, Final Cut Pro, Premiere Pro, Da Vinci Resolve and various other, short term, systems - even once on 2x VHS machines. On the earlier ones I had professionals to do the hard work. Which is most magical? ? Doing your own non linear on a computer. You look - as always - at the rushes, and go "Hmmm, pretty junky". Then you try joining this bit to that bit, and after a while you write some commentary, or add some music, or graphics, and the magic (hopefully) begins to happen and you have a story. It's incredibly fulfilling! I offer this as something I'm proud of - https://youtu.be/_yeM-5cnXi8?t=1484 B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 9 06:18:59 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 11:18:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> References: <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In the context of today?s digital video and broadcast TV formats, you need to forget ?frames? as complete photographic images. Analogue is no more! Compression formats such as Long GOP, H-264, MPEG-4 (Google ?em) send what is effectively a master frame, followed by a series of only the image elements that have changed since the previous master frame. The visible effect of that is that if a background extra walks from left to right in a drama scene, you see the foreground actors relatively stable, the set solid, and a succession of strobing frozen images that is the extra moving too fast. Ditto, horizontal scrolling titles and credits. Casualty directors seem to like busy background actor movenent, but to my eyes, the strobing is blindingly obvious, so why do it? You got strobing carriage wheel spokes in Cowboy films, etc., but not for the same reason. That was because the camera shutter was shut for at least the duration of film pulldown, if not longer. In terms of economy of the digital data you have to store/transmit, it?s pointless sending parts of the ?picture? that haven?t changed since the last master frame, until they do. Clever stuff, but it does mean that the higher the resolution (4k, 8k, etc.) the sharper the strobing is. What?s really needed is a much faster frame rate, but that would require a lot more transmission bandwidth. Sadly, as you know, the bean counters want more channels occupying the available bandwidth in order to sell more commercial time, and never mind the quality. That?s my non-nerdy take on it - I?m sure there are experts who know more. Cheers (back from hot sunny Menorca to English drizzle now), Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 9 Sep 2021, at 08:36, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Yes, I think that?s what I meant. Agree that subliminal is the wrong word in this instance. Obviously, fight sequences have to be carefully choreographed to avoid real serious injury ? that?s where the skill of the stunts guys is most needed. I recall that when commercials were made on film, the directors often shot at 24fps, as more images could be squeezed in when run at TV 25fps. Editing technique is not as magic as earlier, since with home video recorders, it?s possible to analyse a shot frame by frame. Rather spoils the illusion? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 08 September 2021 20:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Flash editing You mean stuff with maybe ten frames of each shot? On my film course in about 1979 we had that sort of thing demonstrated, using a corn flakes ad I think. More recently I showed a couple of fight sequences to a group. The first was Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone in Robin Hood (1938), and the second was from The Witcher (2020). These days fight shots are similarly very short, with lots of shots. Gives much more dramatic action, whilst the Robin Hood sequence required much more skill from the actors. As for subliminals, you can't do it on television because the shortest shot is 1/25th second, and I've spent a good bit of my life saying "There's a frame in there" in edit suites, and here on the computer. B ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 9 12:50:30 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 18:50:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <613a4966.1c69fb81.e9513.8708@mx.google.com> I think I used the wrong words. As Bernie remarked in an earlier reply, I was referring to the short duration shots cutting. So fast these days , does it register with the ?couch potato? viewer? (Thinking of the Royle Family, here). What Nick says is fascinating, and way beyond my appreciation. ?The camera never lies? is rubbish, now! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Bernard Newnham Sent: 09 September 2021 10:57 To: patheigham; Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Flash editing On 09/09/2021 08:35, patheigham wrote: Editing technique is not as magic as earlier, since with home video recorders, it?s possible to analyse a shot frame by frame. On film you could always examine every frame, in fact only on 2" did you have a problem in that area, because if you stopped the picture went away. I've edited on 35mm, 16mm, 2", 1", D1, D2, D3, Betacam, BetaSP, Optima, Edius, Final Cut Pro, Premiere Pro, Da Vinci Resolve and various other, short term, systems - even once on 2x VHS machines.? On the earlier ones I had professionals to do the hard work. Which is most magical? ? Doing your own non linear on a computer.? You look - as always - at the rushes, and go "Hmmm, pretty junky". ? Then you try joining this bit to that bit, and after a while you write some commentary, or add some music, or graphics, and the magic (hopefully) begins to happen and you have a story. It's incredibly fulfilling! I offer this as something I'm proud of - https://youtu.be/_yeM-5cnXi8?t=1484 B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 14:52:35 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 20:52:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: <613a4966.1c69fb81.e9513.8708@mx.google.com> References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> <613a4966.1c69fb81.e9513.8708@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <751df6af-ce79-074e-597c-c2b9fb20469c@gmail.com> On 09/09/2021 18:50, patheigham wrote: > What Nick says is fascinating, and way beyond my appreciation. I used to do a stock lecture on "What is digital, anyway?" for production people at White City.? I could do it again if you want, though discrete cosine transforms are beyond my abilities too. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 9 15:23:21 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 20:23:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: <751df6af-ce79-074e-597c-c2b9fb20469c@gmail.com> References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> <613a4966.1c69fb81.e9513.8708@mx.google.com> <751df6af-ce79-074e-597c-c2b9fb20469c@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can see what I was on about on Masterchef. It?s not our telly not decoding correctly because most other progs are reasonably OK, stro-stro-stro-strobingwise. But in their case I can?t help wondering if the abundance of overhead strip lighting has something to do with it too. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 9 Sep 2021, at 20:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > ? > > On 09/09/2021 18:50, patheigham wrote: >> What Nick says is fascinating, and way beyond my appreciation. > > I used to do a stock lecture on "What is digital, anyway?" for production people at White City. I could do it again if you want, though discrete cosine transforms are beyond my abilities too. > > B > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 16:01:17 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 22:01:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> <613a4966.1c69fb81.e9513.8708@mx.google.com> <751df6af-ce79-074e-597c-c2b9fb20469c@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmmm Live on Freeview? on the iPlayer? Virgin?? Sky? I just gritted my teeth and watched some Greg Wallace on the iPlayer. It looked fine to me on my PC here. B On 09/09/2021 21:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > You can see what I was on about on Masterchef. It?s not our telly not decoding correctly because most other progs are reasonably OK, stro-stro-stro-strobingwise. But in their case I can?t help wondering if the abundance of overhead strip lighting has something to do with it too. > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 9 Sep 2021, at 20:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> ? >> >> On 09/09/2021 18:50, patheigham wrote: >>> What Nick says is fascinating, and way beyond my appreciation. >> I used to do a stock lecture on "What is digital, anyway?" for production people at White City. I could do it again if you want, though discrete cosine transforms are beyond my abilities too. >> >> B >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Sep 10 01:48:50 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 06:48:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> <613a4966.1c69fb81.e9513.8708@mx.google.com> <751df6af-ce79-074e-597c-c2b9fb20469c@gmail.com> Message-ID: Freesat 106 (HD). I don?t know how that compares to iPlayer, or how your graphics card deals with it. Yep, gritted teeth here too. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 9 Sep 2021, at 22:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Hmmm Live on Freeview? on the iPlayer? Virgin? Sky? I just gritted my teeth and watched some Greg Wallace on the iPlayer. It looked fine to me on my PC here. B On 09/09/2021 21:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: You can see what I was on about on Masterchef. It?s not our telly not decoding correctly because most other progs are reasonably OK, stro-stro-stro-strobingwise. But in their case I can?t help wondering if the abundance of overhead strip lighting has something to do with it too. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 9 Sep 2021, at 20:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? On 09/09/2021 18:50, patheigham wrote: What Nick says is fascinating, and way beyond my appreciation. I used to do a stock lecture on "What is digital, anyway?" for production people at White City. I could do it again if you want, though discrete cosine transforms are beyond my abilities too. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Sep 10 06:34:33 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:34:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: References: <6139053b.1c69fb81.9b8a1.8b7d@mx.google.com> <2eeaca81-1b0b-c60c-88b4-fd8bf036c5be@gmail.com> <6139b931.1c69fb81.fc3f6.3918@mx.google.com> <613a4966.1c69fb81.e9513.8708@mx.google.com> <751df6af-ce79-074e-597c-c2b9fb20469c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <240bf9d8-eb3c-3608-30a8-93c2c6345a15@gmail.com> Exactly. The BBC, and everyone else, requires delivery on AS-11 DPP - https://www.thedpp.com/filedelivery/as-11 . A version of H264, MPEG4. After that - who knows?? It goes to lots of places and probably changes format a good few times. ?? SD Freeview is in MPEG2, with HD in H264 (which could be the same as AS-11). It's all multiplexed together in various ways so that you can have lots of lovely channels where they squeezed in 5 analogue ones, and the bitrate can go down a long way at times. And the transmitters don't give out nearly as much power as they used to. The multiplexers rely on the various channels in them to have different stuff - static for a few frames on this one, football on that one, to keep bandwidth down. It all screws up if you put the same thing on all the MUX channels, like when the Duke of Edinburgh died. B On 10/09/2021 07:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Freesat 106 (HD). I don?t know how that compares to iPlayer, or how > your graphics card deals with it. > Yep, gritted teeth here too. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 9 Sep 2021, at 22:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? Hmmm >> >> Live on Freeview? on the iPlayer? Virgin?? Sky? >> >> I just gritted my teeth and watched some Greg Wallace on the iPlayer. >> It looked fine to me on my PC here. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 09/09/2021 21:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> You can see what I was on about on Masterchef. It?s not our telly not decoding correctly because most other progs are reasonably OK, stro-stro-stro-strobingwise. But in their case I can?t help wondering if the abundance of overhead strip lighting has something to do with it too. >>> Nick. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 9 Sep 2021, at 20:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ? >>>> >>>> On 09/09/2021 18:50, patheigham wrote: >>>>> What Nick says is fascinating, and way beyond my appreciation. >>>> I used to do a stock lecture on "What is digital, anyway?" for production people at White City. I could do it again if you want, though discrete cosine transforms are beyond my abilities too. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Sep 11 11:01:15 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 17:01:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flash editing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3817ad52-4805-34d1-837f-2046b65a8414@gmail.com> I got off the phone earlier with my daughter, who is on a cruise ship off the west coast of Greece, and picking up signal from there.? It was actually a WhatsApp video call, which seems to work in .mp4 at 30fps. The attached clip is something she sent recorded, but is the same quality as live. The pictures on the large screen in the background are somewhat inferior, and they only came from a few yards away on the ship. And we - nearly - take this stuff for granted now. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: VID-20210911-WA0017.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 8775612 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Sep 11 15:59:21 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 21:59:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP Message-ID: <0737305c-24c3-aec7-dcbe-b3440bbcc903@gmail.com> Do any of you sound men think the orchestra sounds pretty crap? Or is it my Freeview on the computer reception? ...and the captions are crap too - no drop shadow makes them unreadable. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Sep 11 16:20:07 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 22:20:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP In-Reply-To: <0737305c-24c3-aec7-dcbe-b3440bbcc903@gmail.com> References: <0737305c-24c3-aec7-dcbe-b3440bbcc903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <860B443C-5FEC-42B6-97CA-C033F8B417DC@me.com> Not a sound man, Bernie, but seems OK to me on SD. Captions seem normal, too. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 11 Sep 2021, at 22:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Do any of you sound men think the orchestra sounds pretty crap? Or is it my Freeview on the computer reception? > > ...and the captions are crap too - no drop shadow makes them unreadable. > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Sep 11 16:27:06 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2021 22:27:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP In-Reply-To: <860B443C-5FEC-42B6-97CA-C033F8B417DC@me.com> References: <0737305c-24c3-aec7-dcbe-b3440bbcc903@gmail.com> <860B443C-5FEC-42B6-97CA-C033F8B417DC@me.com> Message-ID: <241F1715-FB8F-4767-A060-CF99A1734278@icloud.com> Sounded a bit thin, but then there was only half an orchestra there. ? Graeme Wall > On 11 Sep 2021, at 22:20, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Not a sound man, Bernie, but seems OK to me on SD. Captions seem normal, too. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 11 Sep 2021, at 22:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Do any of you sound men think the orchestra sounds pretty crap? Or is it my Freeview on the computer reception? >> >> ...and the captions are crap too - no drop shadow makes them unreadable. >> >> B >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sun Sep 12 03:49:38 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 09:49:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP In-Reply-To: <0737305c-24c3-aec7-dcbe-b3440bbcc903@gmail.com> References: <0737305c-24c3-aec7-dcbe-b3440bbcc903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F238AC5D0764DB28F7597448A32D52B@Gigabyte> I only watched a latter part of it but, considering the huge area to be covered with that huge stage extension, I thought the audio was very good. Amazing camera shots with cued C/Us also having to cover a huge orchestra area and audience/BBC singers. However I must certainly agree that for most of the time, although the credit captions lower left were legible, most of the main words captions were totally illegible due to loads of white on white. This is a recurring problem on TV nowadays even in real proper scripted shows. I know that using black boxes can be very annoying but surely a slight increase in text size with a decent black border is possible. I watched the ROH online item with Papano etc concerning the latest Rigoletto (which I saw as final rehearsal in the house on Friday) and subtitles were fine although some of the ums and ahs and his repetitive words completely confused the presumably auto-captioning system! Mike From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:59 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP Do any of you sound men think the orchestra sounds pretty crap? Or is it my Freeview on the computer reception? ...and the captions are crap too - no drop shadow makes them unreadable. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Sun Sep 12 04:22:01 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 10:22:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night References: <10593019-8bb7-8a5e-27d4-19eab14530d7.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <10593019-8bb7-8a5e-27d4-19eab14530d7@sky.com> Our 'feed' is via Sky and I didn't notice a problem with the sound, except that it did seem rather 'open'. However, I agree with Bernie that the captions should have had, not necessarily a drop shadow, but at least a border round the letters to make them stand out. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Sep 12 05:30:55 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 11:30:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP In-Reply-To: <2F238AC5D0764DB28F7597448A32D52B@Gigabyte> References: <0737305c-24c3-aec7-dcbe-b3440bbcc903@gmail.com> <2F238AC5D0764DB28F7597448A32D52B@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <613dd6df.1c69fb81.e02d5.457a@mx.google.com> I, too, only watched the second half, and thought it pretty good. Agree that someone goofed by putting white subtitles over the white shirt of the singer. Other proms I enjoyed were ?Carnival of the Animals? with the amazingly talented Kanneh-Mason family ? but their instruments were fairly close miked. The John Eliot Gardiner one was also good. I have to say that, as one of the soloists is a good friend! Interested in that, as mentioned in an earlier posting, to see that use was made of mics on very tall stalks. Like the AKG capsule extensions but much longer, Shoeps? Who can tell me? Presumably very much easier to position and/or move, and change, if they misbehave, without slinging from the roof. Overall, the mic rig was huge, but assume that the de-rig was the next day, or so. Thought the exterior lighting of the RAH was colourful, and the Coventry OB, very well lit, as to be almost daylight! Was the flown tracking shots down the Thames via a drone? Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 12 September 2021 09:50 To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] LNOTP I only watched a latter part of it but, considering the huge area to be covered with that huge stage extension, I thought the audio was very good. Amazing camera shots with cued C/Us also having to cover a huge orchestra area and audience/BBC singers. However I must certainly agree that for most of the time, although the credit captions lower left were legible, most of the main words captions were totally illegible due to loads of white on white. This is a recurring problem on TV nowadays even in real proper scripted shows. I know that using black boxes can be very annoying but surely a slight increase in text size with a decent black border is possible. I watched the ROH online item with Papano etc concerning the latest Rigoletto (which I saw as final rehearsal in the house on Friday) and subtitles were fine although some of the ums and ahs and his repetitive words completely confused the presumably auto-captioning system! ? Mike ? From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:59 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP ? Do any of you sound men think the orchestra sounds pretty crap? Or is it my Freeview on the computer reception? ...and the captions are crap too - no drop shadow makes them unreadable. B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Sep 12 05:59:43 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 11:59:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night In-Reply-To: <10593019-8bb7-8a5e-27d4-19eab14530d7@sky.com> References: <10593019-8bb7-8a5e-27d4-19eab14530d7.ref@sky.com> <10593019-8bb7-8a5e-27d4-19eab14530d7@sky.com> Message-ID: <613ddd9f.1c69fb81.1ecc6.0d2f@mx.google.com> Sadly where I live, on one of three small blocks of flats (two storied) we cannot get satellite TV, as there are tall trees in line of sight to the ?bird?. Lots of tooth sucking from both Cranleigh Systems and Sky as it then became clear that there was no suitable position to mount a dish, on any of the buildings. However there?s a very strong signal from Crystal Palace and Croydon to a mast mounted digital terrestrial aerial. Audio for the sitting room TV is derived from one of the DVD recorders into a hi-fi rig, and the bedroom set has a Bose Soundlink mini speaker attached. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 12 September 2021 10:22 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night Our 'feed' is via Sky and I didn't notice a problem with the sound, except that it did seem rather 'open'. However, I agree with Bernie that the captions should have had, not necessarily a drop shadow, but at least a border round the letters to make them stand out. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Sun Sep 12 06:47:06 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:47:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised Message-ID: Dear Bernie, as one of the six who managed the last Disorganised I will do my best to get along to Horniman's on the 24th Sept. although for this family that is a day normally put aside for retail therapy (Waitrose). Garth From alanaudio at me.com Sun Sep 12 06:54:40 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:54:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP In-Reply-To: <613dd6df.1c69fb81.e02d5.457a@mx.google.com> References: <613dd6df.1c69fb81.e02d5.457a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <35B587BD-D9A3-4BA9-8C0E-624BD0A1CE27@me.com> I didn?t watch LNOTP, but I would be very surprised if the TV tech derig wasn?t completed that evening. Even amazingly complex shows can be derigged in a couple of hours, often rather less. You wouldn?t want to leave expensive and fragile tech gear around while the art dept and lighting people are getting out. Alan Taylor > On 12 Sep 2021, at 11:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > . > Overall, the mic rig was huge, but assume that the de-rig was the next day, or so. > Thought the exterior lighting of the RAH was colourful, and the Coventry OB, very well lit, as to be almost daylight! Was the flown tracking shots down the Thames via a drone? > Regards > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 > Sent: 12 September 2021 09:50 > To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] LNOTP > > I only watched a latter part of it but, considering the huge area to be covered with that huge stage extension, I thought the audio was very good. Amazing camera shots with cued C/Us also having to cover a huge orchestra area and audience/BBC singers. > However I must certainly agree that for most of the time, although the credit captions lower left were legible, most of the main words captions were totally illegible due to loads of white on white. > This is a recurring problem on TV nowadays even in real proper scripted shows. I know that using black boxes can be very annoying but surely a slight increase in text size with a decent black border is possible. > I watched the ROH online item with Papano etc concerning the latest Rigoletto (which I saw as final rehearsal in the house on Friday) and subtitles were fine although some of the ums and ahs and his repetitive words completely confused the presumably auto-captioning system! > > Mike > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:59 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP > > Do any of you sound men think the orchestra sounds pretty crap? Or is it my Freeview on the computer reception? > > ...and the captions are crap too - no drop shadow makes them unreadable. > > B > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Sep 12 12:10:09 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 18:10:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP In-Reply-To: <613dd6df.1c69fb81.e02d5.457a@mx.google.com> References: <613dd6df.1c69fb81.e02d5.457a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The mics are Schoeps , floor and slung.. The sound was very clean and a marked absence of coughing and dropping scaffolding? The BBC Symphony Orch was a bit underpowered for the event and soloists a little unrehearsed. However it was better than expected and sounded jolly good. It was Helicopters in the credits and may have been live cos it glitched. The hall sounds much better with the stage extended, let?s hope they leave it in situ. The monitors for the choir and singers were a bit sad , but that?s because of the spacing issues. Still hate the music programming. , and ?diversity ,? the Beeb is incapable of subtlety imho. Roger Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Sep 2021, at 11:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I, too, only watched the second half, and thought it pretty good. Agree that someone goofed by putting white subtitles over the white shirt of the singer. > Other proms I enjoyed were ?Carnival of the Animals? with the amazingly talented Kanneh-Mason family ? but their instruments were fairly close miked. The John Eliot Gardiner one was also good. I have to say that, as one of the soloists is a good friend! > Interested in that, as mentioned in an earlier posting, to see that use was made of mics on very tall stalks. > Like the AKG capsule extensions but much longer, Shoeps? Who can tell me? > Presumably very much easier to position and/or move, and change, if they misbehave, without slinging from the roof. > Overall, the mic rig was huge, but assume that the de-rig was the next day, or so. > Thought the exterior lighting of the RAH was colourful, and the Coventry OB, very well lit, as to be almost daylight! Was the flown tracking shots down the Thames via a drone? > Regards > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 > Sent: 12 September 2021 09:50 > To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] LNOTP > > I only watched a latter part of it but, considering the huge area to be covered with that huge stage extension, I thought the audio was very good. Amazing camera shots with cued C/Us also having to cover a huge orchestra area and audience/BBC singers. > However I must certainly agree that for most of the time, although the credit captions lower left were legible, most of the main words captions were totally illegible due to loads of white on white. > This is a recurring problem on TV nowadays even in real proper scripted shows. I know that using black boxes can be very annoying but surely a slight increase in text size with a decent black border is possible. > I watched the ROH online item with Papano etc concerning the latest Rigoletto (which I saw as final rehearsal in the house on Friday) and subtitles were fine although some of the ums and ahs and his repetitive words completely confused the presumably auto-captioning system! > > Mike > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:59 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] LNOTP > > Do any of you sound men think the orchestra sounds pretty crap? Or is it my Freeview on the computer reception? > > ...and the captions are crap too - no drop shadow makes them unreadable. > > B > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Sep 12 14:19:50 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 20:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Unorganised In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope to join you. ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Sep 2021, at 11:50, Bernard Newnham via Announce wrote: > > ... in honour of Roger. > > I think Friday 24th September. I've only had about half a dozen replies (333 on the list) so I'm not planning to book anywhere. Just turn up a the Horniman's around 1200 and we'll see what happens. > > The Horniman at Hays, Unit 26 Hays Galleria, > London, Greater London, SE1 2HD > > https://what3words.com/remit.bunks.pans > > B > -- > Announce mailing list > Announce at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sun Sep 12 17:04:10 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 23:04:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Unorganised In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bernie, I?ll be there. P.S. Didn?t get your tech-ops announce email though. Barry. On 12 Sep 2021, at 20:19, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I hope to join you. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 12 Sep 2021, at 11:50, Bernard Newnham via Announce wrote: >> >> ... in honour of Roger. >> >> I think Friday 24th September. I've only had about half a dozen replies (333 on the list) so I'm not planning to book anywhere. Just turn up a the Horniman's around 1200 and we'll see what happens. >> >> The Horniman at Hays, Unit 26 Hays Galleria, >> London, Greater London, SE1 2HD >> >> https://what3words.com/remit.bunks.pans >> >> B >> -- >> Announce mailing list >> Announce at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Sep 12 17:09:32 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 23:09:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Unorganised lunch Message-ID: <94e926ae-5f23-53d8-998b-b4808dee90f4@gmail.com> ... in honour of Roger. I think Friday 24th September. ??I've only had about half a dozen replies (333 on the list) so I'm not planning to book anywhere. Just turn up a the Horniman's around 1200 and we'll see what happens. The Horniman at Hays, Unit 26 Hays Galleria, London, Greater London, SE1 2HD https://what3words.com/remit.bunks.pans Send again because it seems to have had problems first time B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Mon Sep 13 02:18:14 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:18:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night Message-ID: <48459AF5-E11D-4E46-89ED-547F774A56FF@zero51.force9.co.uk> I thought the more informative item captions were on screen for just too short a time to read and therefore better left off altogether. The operatic translations were also unreadable at times and probably a gratuitous distraction because ?following the story? is not really required on LNOTP. Anyone know why the chat wideshot needs to float up and down distractingly? On the other hand I didn?t mind the karaoke crib for the likes of Jerusalem and groaning at the ludicrous lyrics of our ?patriotic? songs. Anyone felt the need for some extolling recently? The whole empire building ethos is increasingly ironic day by day. And I also found the sound rather thin. Source: Freesat through a DAC, Quad amp and Spendor speakers so it should have been thoroughly exciting but I had to set the volume higher than normal and it still lacked the expected dynamics or punch. We did enjoy the show though so mustn?t grumble. Peter Fox On 12 Sep 2021, at 10:22, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: ?Our 'feed' is via Sky and I didn't notice a problem with the sound, except that it did seem rather 'open'. However, I agree with Bernie that the captions should have had, not necessarily a drop shadow, but at least a border round the letters to make them stand out. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Mon Sep 13 02:49:23 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:49:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night In-Reply-To: <48459AF5-E11D-4E46-89ED-547F774A56FF@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <48459AF5-E11D-4E46-89ED-547F774A56FF@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: I?ve noticed on quite a few programmes that the combination of unwise graphics ( poor choice of font, small font size & low contrast with background ) together with minimal screen time ends up with captions which cannot be read. It?s even more difficult if any of the words are unfamiliar, such as proper nouns or foreign words. I suspect that the explanation is similar to the problem of indistinct drama dialogue. The production team are already familiar with the words and can read them in an instant when they see the caption. On the other hand, the viewers are suddenly presented with them for the first time and cannot necessarily make out all the words very rapidly. By the time they are 80% through making out what the text says, the director has got bored with it and fades it out. There might also be issues with small text being reasonably legible in the control room, but not so legible after the video signal has been compressed and distributed. Alan Taylor > On 13 Sep 2021, at 08:18, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I thought the more informative item captions were on screen for just too short a time to read and therefore better left off altogether. The operatic translations were also unreadable at times and probably a gratuitous distraction because ?following the story? is not really required on LNOTP. From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 13 03:15:29 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 09:15:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night In-Reply-To: References: <48459AF5-E11D-4E46-89ED-547F774A56FF@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <613f08a2.1c69fb81.a7323.a322@mx.google.com> There can also be a problem with the speech-to-text app. It doesn?t always detect the correct context. For instance: the ?Saving Lives at Sea? referred to a casualty being off the bow (of the boat). It came up as ?bough?! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 13 September 2021 08:49 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Proms last night I?ve noticed on quite a few programmes that the combination of unwise graphics ( poor choice of font, small font size & low contrast with background ) together with minimal screen time ends up with captions which cannot be read. 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Message-ID: <149e3cda-29bc-d7dd-e67d-61a4aa44db4b@gmail.com> A number of people have emailed me to say that they only got the invite via someone else's reply to me.? I don't know how that happens, I just sent the email. So - an experiment.? If you get this, please forward it to announce at tech-ops.co.uk.? In order not to get totally swamped, we only need maybe ten people to do it, and you'll see that in your inbox.? Then we'll try and draw some conclusion. Maybe. Here's the original - Unorganised in honour of Roger. I think Friday 24th September. ??I've only had about half a dozen replies (333 on the list) so I'm not planning to book anywhere. Just turn up a the Horniman's around 1200 and we'll see what happens. The Horniman at Hays, Unit 26 Hays Galleria, London, Greater London, SE1 2HD https://what3words.com/remit.bunks.pans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've only had about half a dozen replies (333 on the list) so I'm not planning to book anywhere. Just turn up a the Horniman's around 1200 and we'll see what happens. > > The Horniman at Hays, Unit 26 Hays Galleria, > London, Greater London, SE1 2HD > > https://what3words.com/remit.bunks.pans -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Sep 13 06:32:10 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:32:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Communication problems re Unorganised. In-Reply-To: <149e3cda-29bc-d7dd-e67d-61a4aa44db4b@gmail.com> References: <149e3cda-29bc-d7dd-e67d-61a4aa44db4b@gmail.com> Message-ID: I saw it OK from announce and hope to be there on 24th. So the problem presumably isn?t at ?your end?. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Sep 2021, at 12:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? A number of people have emailed me to say that they only got the invite via someone else's reply to me. I don't know how that happens, I just sent the email. So - an experiment. If you get this, please forward it to announce at tech-ops.co.uk. In order not to get totally swamped, we only need maybe ten people to do it, and you'll see that in your inbox. Then we'll try and draw some conclusion. Maybe. Here's the original - Unorganised in honour of Roger. I think Friday 24th September. I've only had about half a dozen replies (333 on the list) so I'm not planning to book anywhere. Just turn up a the Horniman's around 1200 and we'll see what happens. The Horniman at Hays, Unit 26 Hays Galleria, London, Greater London, SE1 2HD https://what3words.com/remit.bunks.pans -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Sep 13 09:41:14 2021 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 15:41:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night Message-ID: I'm reminded of a director, can't remember who, can't remember where, can't remember when, who when supering a caption would read it out aloud, slowly and distinctly, twice before losing it.? He held that doing that gave sufficient time for the viewer to read it once.?(I shall say this only once:)? best wishes? ..... VernSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 13/09/2021 08:49 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Proms last night I?ve noticed on quite a few programmes that the combination of unwise graphics ( poor choice of font, small font size & low contrast with background ) together with minimal screen time ends up with captions which cannot be read. It?s even more difficult if any of the words are unfamiliar, such as proper nouns or foreign words.I suspect that the explanation is similar to the problem of indistinct drama dialogue.? The production team are already familiar with the words and can read them in an instant when they see the caption.? On the other hand, the viewers are suddenly presented with them for the first time and cannot necessarily make out all the words very rapidly. By the time they are 80% through making out what the text says, the director has got bored with it and fades it out.There might also be issues with small text being reasonably legible in the control room, but not so legible after the video signal has been compressed and distributed.Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 10:38:45 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:38:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Lunch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Message left for Don (still no email) Smith about the lunch and about Roger Bunce. I rarely speak to Don these days as he doesn't normally answer, and I don't think he has a mobile phone. KW On Sat, 11 Sept 2021 at 17:07, Bernard Newnham via Announce < announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > I organised a disorganised a couple of months back, and the were six of > us. Have things changed enough yet for people to venture out? Personally > I've been lunching around the place for weeks now. > > So - thoughts please. If I pick a date that you can do will you come? > > B > > -- > Announce mailing list > Announce at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 15:13:24 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:13:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Roger's BFI obit Message-ID: <62c9eefb-b318-ee62-5a1c-cb9abcba63bc@gmail.com> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/roger_bfi.mp4 B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Sep 15 03:04:30 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 08:04:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night Message-ID: ?An easy mistake to make, to be Frank. N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Sep 2021, at 09:16, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? There can also be a problem with the speech-to-text app. It doesn?t always detect the correct context. For instance: the ?Saving Lives at Sea? referred to a casualty being off the bow (of the boat). It came up as ?bough?! Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Sep 15 03:42:04 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 09:42:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB304E2-26E7-4B20-A07D-4E49E3536E45@icloud.com> Something of a Nationwide problem. ? Graeme Wall > On 15 Sep 2021, at 09:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?An easy mistake to make, to be Frank. > N. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 13 Sep 2021, at 09:16, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> There can also be a problem with the speech-to-text app. >> It doesn?t always detect the correct context. For instance: the ?Saving Lives at Sea? referred to a casualty being off the bow (of the boat). It came up as ?bough?! >> >> Pat > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 15 07:20:46 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:20:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Proms last night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6141e51d.1c69fb81.fb4c0.556d@mx.google.com> Would that not have come out as ?boff? though? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 15 September 2021 09:04 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Proms last night ?An easy mistake to make, to be Frank. N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Sep 2021, at 09:16, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? There can also be a problem with the speech-to-text app. It doesn?t always detect the correct context. For instance: the ?Saving Lives at Sea? referred to a casualty being off the bow (of the boat). It came up as ?bough?! ? Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 15 13:57:53 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:57:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Silly Pat Message-ID: <61424230.1c69fb81.976c9.7337@mx.google.com> I see that there is a programme on BBC2 called ?Animals with Cameras? Does this prove the adage that: ?if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys?? I guess that KangarooCam would be a bit unsteady. CheeterCam would be interesting ? they can achieve 35mph for a short period. Oh, Ha Ha, Pat, now go away! Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Thu Sep 16 16:37:14 2021 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 22:37:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Proms last night Message-ID: <57abbba5.4b595.17bf08ad1a4.Webtop.92@btinternet.com> I'm reminded of a director, can't remember who, can't remember where, can't remember when, who when supering a caption would read it out aloud, slowly and distinctly, twice before losing it. He held that doing that gave sufficient time for the viewer to read it once. (I shall say this only once:) best wishes ..... Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 13/09/2021 08:49 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Proms last night I?ve noticed on quite a few programmes that the combination of unwise graphics ( poor choice of font, small font size & low contrast with background ) together with minimal screen time ends up with captions which cannot be read. It?s even more difficult if any of the words are unfamiliar, such as proper nouns or foreign words. I suspect that the explanation is similar to the problem of indistinct drama dialogue. The production team are already familiar with the words and can read them in an instant when they see the caption. On the other hand, the viewers are suddenly presented with them for the first time and cannot necessarily make out all the words very rapidly. By the time they are 80% through making out what the text says, the director has got bored with it and fades it out. There might also be issues with small text being reasonably legible in the control room, but not so legible after the video signal has been compressed and distributed. Alan Taylor -------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 13/09/2021 08:49 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Proms last night I?ve noticed on quite a few programmes that the combination of unwise graphics ( poor choice of font, small font size & low contrast with background ) together with minimal screen time ends up with captions which cannot be read. It?s even more difficult if any of the words are unfamiliar, such as proper nouns or foreign words.I suspect that the explanation is similar to the problem of indistinct drama dialogue. The production team are already familiar with the words and can read them in an instant when they see the caption. On the other hand, the viewers are suddenly presented with them for the first time and cannot necessarily make out all the words very rapidly. By the time they are 80% through making out what the text says, the director has got bored with it and fades it out.There might also be issues with small text being reasonably legible in the control room, but not so legible after the video signal has been compressed and distributed.Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 17:52:35 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 23:52:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Proms last night In-Reply-To: <57abbba5.4b595.17bf08ad1a4.Webtop.92@btinternet.com> References: <57abbba5.4b595.17bf08ad1a4.Webtop.92@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Interesting to hear that at least one director cared about the readability of captions and understood the problem. I've wondered why they don't usually bother to get someone unfamiliar with the words to try reading the captions. These days, some are shown so briefly that they appear as mere flashes on the screen. When I find that a caption has disappeared before I've had time to read it, I automatically try reading the following captions at high speed ? just in case. But that spoils my enjoyment of the programme so much that I usually end up ignoring the captions, or even switching off. KW On Thu, 16 Sept 2021 at 22:37, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm reminded of a director, can't remember who, can't remember where, > can't remember when, who when supering a caption would read it out aloud, > slowly and distinctly, twice before losing it. He held that doing that gave > sufficient time for the viewer to read it once. > > > (I shall say this only once:) best wishes ..... Vern > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone > ------------------------------ > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Date: 13/09/2021 08:49 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Proms last night > > I?ve noticed on quite a few programmes that the combination of unwise > graphics ( poor choice of font, small font size & low contrast with > background ) together with minimal screen time ends up with captions which > cannot be read. It?s even more difficult if any of the words are > unfamiliar, such as proper nouns or foreign words. > > I suspect that the explanation is similar to the problem of indistinct > drama dialogue. The production team are already familiar with the words and > can read them in an instant when they see the caption. On the other hand, > the viewers are suddenly presented with them for the first time and cannot > necessarily make out all the words very rapidly. By the time they are 80% > through making out what the text says, the director has got bored with it > and fades it out. > > There might also be issues with small text being reasonably legible in the > control room, but not so legible after the video signal has been compressed > and distributed. > > Alan Taylor > ------------------------------ > -------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 13/09/2021 08:49 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Proms last night I?ve noticed > on quite a few programmes that the combination of unwise graphics ( poor > choice of font, small font size & low contrast with background ) together > with minimal screen time ends up with captions which cannot be read. It?s > even more difficult if any of the words are unfamiliar, such as proper > nouns or foreign words.I suspect that the explanation is similar to the > problem of indistinct drama dialogue. The production team are already > familiar with the words and can read them in an instant when they see the > caption. On the other hand, the viewers are suddenly presented with them > for the first time and cannot necessarily make out all the words very > rapidly. By the time they are 80% through making out what the text says, > the director has got bored with it and fades it out.There might also be > issues with small text being reasonably legible in the control room, but > not so legible after the video signal has been compressed and > distributed.Alan Taylor > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike G > On 16 Sep 2021, at 23:53, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 06:22:19 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 12:22:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Roger Bunce Tribute In-Reply-To: <729b0224.4c7cc.17c02e244be.Webtop.109@btinternet.com> References: <729b0224.4c7cc.17c02e244be.Webtop.109@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2b2ade36-e7c4-fc34-91b9-5524cdc5f160@gmail.com> From Carol Owens at the RTS ..... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Roger Bunce Tribute Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 12:05:55 +0100 (BST) From: Carol Owens To: bernie833 at gmail.com CC: pb at philipbarnes.com, dashtonwellman at gmail.com Hi Bernie, We have added a short tribute to Roger on the RTS website and YouTube pages for the TVC-60 video, and would appreciate it if you could share this with Roger's family. 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Frank is quite correct that the BBC didn't buy Elstree Centre until 1984 (I know, as my department, TV Training, was the first department to move there from Woodstock Grove). According to IMDB the locations were Dorset and London. I have thought that it could be the lot at TFS but cannot find any info. From a closer look at pix 4, it looks as though it's an actual location but with a fake perspective addition with the Eiffel Tower in the background. If anyone has any information please let me know though my main email address - david.jasma at sky.com I ask this as I seem to miss a lot of posts until they appear as inclusions in replies by other members! Many thanks, Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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B On 23/09/2021 10:32, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > Can anyone in the group assist with the following question.... > > I have been asked by a third party if it is possible to identify the > location of these shots? > > This is for a book called "The Compleat Beau Geste" by Frank Thompson. > Frank goes on 'this covers all adaptations of the novel -- film, TV, > stage, radio, and much more. In researching the 1982 BBC TV serial of > Beau Geste I've nailed down all locations except one. I have attached > four screen grabs of a single scene set in Paris. It looks like a > backlot set to me and I wonder if it might be Elstree, even though the > BBC didn't buy that lot until 1984.' > > Frank is quite correct that the BBC didn't buy Elstree Centre until > 1984 (I know, as my department, TV Training, was the first department > to move there from Woodstock Grove). > > According to IMDB the locations were Dorset and London. I have thought > that it could be the lot at TFS but cannot find any info. > > From a closer look at pix 4, it looks as though it's an actual > location but with a fake perspective addition with the Eiffel Tower in > the background. > > If anyone has any information please let me know though my main email > address - david.jasma at sky.com?? I ask this as I seem to miss a lot of > posts until they appear as inclusions in replies by other members! > > Many thanks, > > Dave Buckley > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been asked by a third party if it is possible to identify the location of these shots? This is for a book called "The Compleat Beau Geste" by Frank Thompson. Frank goes on 'this covers all adaptations of the novel -- film, TV, stage, radio, and much more. In researching the 1982 BBC TV serial of Beau Geste I've nailed down all locations except one. I have attached four screen grabs of a single scene set in Paris. It looks like a backlot set to me and I wonder if it might be Elstree, even though the BBC didn't buy that lot until 1984.' Frank is quite correct that the BBC didn't buy Elstree Centre until 1984 (I know, as my department, TV Training, was the first department to move there from Woodstock Grove). According to IMDB the locations were Dorset and London. I have thought that it could be the lot at TFS but cannot find any info. >From a closer look at pix 4, it looks as though it's an actual location but with a fake perspective addition with the Eiffel Tower in the background. If anyone has any information please let me know though my main email address - david.jasma at sky.com I ask this as I seem to miss a lot of posts until they appear as inclusions in replies by other members! Many thanks, Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 23 05:21:09 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 11:21:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Beau Geste 1982 drama series In-Reply-To: <555b5e83-4d59-253f-785d-de877dc01247@ntlworld.com> References: <555b5e83-4d59-253f-785d-de877dc01247@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <8D01F926-89B8-4E3E-95AE-72F92C06354E@me.com> It?s a little known fact that the Eiffel Tower is made from strongly magnetised steel, which is why when shooting in Paris, all cameras are irresistibly drawn towards it. Tower Bridge in London has similar properties, but it mainly affects American cameras. The effect becomes particularly strong if a Routemaster bus is on the bridge. On a marginally more serious note, we shot some sequences for The Tripods inside some disused mines and the surrounding rocks turned out to be quite magnetic, which came as a big surprise to all - even the mine people. The three tube cameras became slightly mis-registered if panned 90?, which meant that the scripted shots were no longer practical. However, as the director was Christopher Barry, he was unfazed by the problem and swiftly worked around the limitations. In some cases, tracking shots replaced panning shots. For one essential panning shot, the camera was optimally registered pointing half way through the pan so that it was a tiny bit misregistered one way at the start of the shot and a tiny bit misregistered the other way at the end of the shot, but overall, it was acceptable. Alan Taylor > On 23 Sep 2021, at 10:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? The fourth picture looks like it has a matte painting - > > > > > Otherwise it's probably some street somewhere in the UK, with added shutters. > > B > > > > On 23/09/2021 10:32, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >> Can anyone in the group assist with the following question.... >> >> I have been asked by a third party if it is possible to identify the location of these shots? >> >> This is for a book called "The Compleat Beau Geste" by Frank Thompson. Frank goes on 'this covers all adaptations of the novel -- film, TV, stage, radio, and much more. In researching the 1982 BBC TV serial of Beau Geste I've nailed down all locations except one. I have attached four screen grabs of a single scene set in Paris. It looks like a backlot set to me and I wonder if it might be Elstree, even though the BBC didn't buy that lot until 1984.' >> >> Frank is quite correct that the BBC didn't buy Elstree Centre until 1984 (I know, as my department, TV Training, was the first department to move there from Woodstock Grove). >> >> According to IMDB the locations were Dorset and London. 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It's all an adventure. > > The Horniman at Hays, Unit 26 Hays Galleria, > London, Greater London, SE1 2HD > > https://what3words.com/remit.bunks.pans > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Thu Sep 23 06:27:28 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 12:27:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Early Neve desks Message-ID: I'm writing a history of early Neve sound desks, both big and small....but limiting it to say 1975, which was the year Rupert Neve left the company. Neve of course was then run by a number of owners and still continues as AMS-Neve in Burnley. The BBC's first Neve was the recording desk in Lime Grove TMS: [image: BBC_Lime_Grove-music studio-pic2.jpg] Des Browning commissioned this one 'A135', which was perhaps the only 'standard Neve' the BBC ever bought. The BBC Radio Concert Hall got the next Neve, a very customised console: [image: BBC_Concert_Hall_1971_October.jpg] The trail after that gets harder to follow, so I'd love it if you guys can help. Neve records show three desks built for the BBC between 1973 and 1976. At least one was for Manchester's TV studio A: [image: 1976-BBC Manchester TV Studio-36 channel Neve-from BBC Eng 1976_03.jpg] This is a 36 channel 8 group with Painton Quadrant faders and the narrow 32mm modules produced initially just for the BBC desks. Manchester also got at least 3 other small desks, based on the BCM10/2 model, in the film dubbing suite, and 2 in radio. Neve documents refer to TC3, TC4, TC5 and TC6....but don't state if those desks were just 'quote's or not. Here's a 44 channel. similar to the above: [image: BBC 44 Channel-via Dan Alexander book-1200px.jpg] So this might have been in Television Centre? TC8 got a big Neve, but that was 1981:, here it is, going in the window, under manual propulsion! [image: 1981-Spring-EngInf4.pdf-Neve into TC8-1200px.jpg] Looks like that design was still similar to the above ones, but I'm interested in any desks, as I said up to 1976ish, so before this one. Any memories, information or photos would be appreciated. David Taylor postfade.co.uk "About Broadcast and Recorded Sound" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BBC_Lime_Grove-music studio-pic2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 187766 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 1981-Spring-EngInf4.pdf-Neve into TC8-1200px.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 409780 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Thu Sep 23 07:20:02 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:20:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised 24.09.21 Message-ID: <36EC71C3-723A-418C-828F-3498CA89474F@me.com> Hope to see you Bernie, may be a little late, Garth From tuckergarth at me.com Thu Sep 23 07:22:04 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:22:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] UNORGANISED! Message-ID: <295E0911-D1A0-4CD1-9994-0680757F53A9@me.com> Suddenly realised I might have gone to the wrong event. Garth From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net Thu Sep 23 08:45:14 2021 From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 14:45:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Beau Geste 1982 drama series In-Reply-To: <86734426C0C9452C89AFE519084D157F@0023242e4e14> References: <89a6cfe4-bc0e-13c9-5b01-869f3de753bf.ref@sky.com> <89a6cfe4-bc0e-13c9-5b01-869f3de753bf@sky.com> <86734426C0C9452C89AFE519084D157F@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <5DC6887C-A254-44A6-AB2F-303ED2FFAF90@ukgateway.net> It was done by OBs using the LPU or LMCR and I recall most of it was shot in a sand pit in Dorset so the Poole location could be accurate. I had a look at the crew list and sadly many have passed on, Chris Wickham, John Mason, Ian leiper, Vic Godrich. Trevor Wimlett was also credited and I will try to contact him and see if he recalls the location. Robin Sutherland > On 23 Sep 2021, at 11:02, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > I've a vague memory of reading (somewhere) that that street scene was filmed in Poole, fairly close to the sandpit location. > > With the video effect added Eiffel Tower, of course. > > David > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 10:32 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Beau Geste 1982 drama series > > Can anyone in the group assist with the following question.... > > I have been asked by a third party if it is possible to identify the > location of these shots? > > This is for a book called "The Compleat Beau Geste" by Frank Thompson. > Frank goes on 'this covers all adaptations of the novel -- film, TV, > stage, radio, and much more. In researching the 1982 BBC TV serial of > Beau Geste I've nailed down all locations except one. I have attached > four screen grabs of a single scene set in Paris. It looks like a > backlot set to me and I wonder if it might be Elstree, even though the > BBC didn't buy that lot until 1984.' > > Frank is quite correct that the BBC didn't buy Elstree Centre until 1984 > (I know, as my department, TV Training, was the first department to move > there from Woodstock Grove). > > According to IMDB the locations were Dorset and London. I have thought > that it could be the lot at TFS but cannot find any info. > > From a closer look at pix 4, it looks as though it's an actual location > but with a fake perspective addition with the Eiffel Tower in the > background. > > If anyone has any information please let me know though my main email > address - david.jasma at sky.com I ask this as I seem to miss a lot of > posts until they appear as inclusions in replies by other members! > > Many thanks, > > Dave Buckley > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Sep 23 09:41:20 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:41:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Early Neve desks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <614C9210.5040107@btinternet.com> Wasn't TMS well before Des arrived as Head iof Sound? More Sam's baby? On 23/09/2021 12:27, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I'm writing a history of early Neve sound desks, both big and > small....but limiting it to say 1975, which was the year Rupert Neve > left the company. > Neve of course was then run by a number of owners and still continues > as AMS-Neve in Burnley. > The BBC's first Neve was the recording desk in Lime Grove TMS: > BBC_Lime_Grove-music studio-pic2.jpg > Des Browning commissioned this one 'A135', which was perhaps the only > 'standard Neve' the BBC ever bought. > The BBC Radio Concert Hall got the next Neve, a very customised console: > BBC_Concert_Hall_1971_October.jpg > The trail after that gets harder to follow, so I'd love it if you guys > can help. > Neve records show three desks built for the BBC between 1973 and 1976. > At least one was for Manchester's TV studio A: > 1976-BBC Manchester TV Studio-36 channel Neve-from BBC Eng 1976_03.jpg > This is a 36 channel 8 group with Painton Quadrant faders and the > narrow 32mm modules produced initially just for the BBC desks. > Manchester also got at least 3 other small desks, based on the BCM10/2 > model, in the film dubbing suite, and 2 in radio. > Neve documents refer to TC3, TC4, TC5 and TC6....but don't state if > those desks were just 'quote's or not. > Here's a 44 channel. similar to the above: > BBC 44 Channel-via Dan Alexander book-1200px.jpg > So this might have been in Television Centre? > TC8 got a big Neve, but that was 1981:, here it is, going in the > window, under manual propulsion! > 1981-Spring-EngInf4.pdf-Neve into TC8-1200px.jpg > Looks like that design was still similar to the above ones, but I'm > interested in any desks, as I said up to 1976ish, so before this one. > > Any memories, information or photos would be appreciated. > > David Taylor > postfade.co.uk > "About Broadcast and Recorded Sound" > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Neve of course was then run by a number of owners and still continues as AMS-Neve in Burnley. The BBC's first Neve was the recording desk in Lime Grove TMS: Des Browning commissioned this one 'A135', which was perhaps the only 'standard Neve' the BBC ever bought. The BBC Radio Concert Hall got the next Neve, a very customised console: The trail after that gets harder to follow, so I'd love it if you guys can help. Neve records show three desks built for the BBC between 1973 and 1976. At least one was for Manchester's TV studio A: This is a 36 channel 8 group with Painton Quadrant faders and the narrow 32mm modules produced initially just for the BBC desks. Manchester also got at least 3 other small desks, based on the BCM10/2 model, in the film dubbing suite, and 2 in radio. Neve documents refer to TC3, TC4, TC5 and TC6....but don't state if those desks were just 'quote's or not. Here's a 44 channel. similar to the above: So this might have been in Television Centre? TC8 got a big Neve, but that was 1981:, here it is, going in the window, under manual propulsion! Looks like that design was still similar to the above ones, but I'm interested in any desks, as I said up to 1976ish, so before this one. Any memories, information or photos would be appreciated. David Taylor postfade.co.uk "About Broadcast and Recorded Sound"? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A235A97149974DDBA3850E179A6336EA.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63394 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 8CAE0CB213F744F6A0E4E0692C20FD61.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 108735 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I remember too, the photo he took to show how to lace-up the 1? Scully tape machine, and the C37 Studers - with the tape incorrectly laced up, as it happens. I remember also, questioning why the Scully remote panel on the desk was fitted upside down, with tracks 8 to 1 instead of 1 to 8. Caused no end of accidental track wipes, over the years, that did! I always dreaded working in there with certain sound supervisors, who seemed to need those Lockwood Major monitors so loud they were effing deffening. Even if all you were doing was music links for Marriage Lines or some such. Definitely Sam?s baby. * A lesson that modern drama dubbers would do well to learn. Cheers, Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Sep 2021, at 15:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: ? Wasn't TMS well before Des arrived as Head iof Sound? More Sam's baby? On 23/09/2021 12:27, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: I'm writing a history of early Neve sound desks, both big and small....but limiting it to say 1975, which was the year Rupert Neve left the company. Neve of course was then run by a number of owners and still continues as AMS-Neve in Burnley. The BBC's first Neve was the recording desk in Lime Grove TMS: [BBC_Lime_Grove-music studio-pic2.jpg] Des Browning commissioned this one 'A135', which was perhaps the only 'standard Neve' the BBC ever bought. The BBC Radio Concert Hall got the next Neve, a very customised console: [BBC_Concert_Hall_1971_October.jpg] The trail after that gets harder to follow, so I'd love it if you guys can help. Neve records show three desks built for the BBC between 1973 and 1976. At least one was for Manchester's TV studio A: [1976-BBC Manchester TV Studio-36 channel Neve-from BBC Eng 1976_03.jpg] This is a 36 channel 8 group with Painton Quadrant faders and the narrow 32mm modules produced initially just for the BBC desks. Manchester also got at least 3 other small desks, based on the BCM10/2 model, in the film dubbing suite, and 2 in radio. Neve documents refer to TC3, TC4, TC5 and TC6....but don't state if those desks were just 'quote's or not. Here's a 44 channel. similar to the above: [BBC 44 Channel-via Dan Alexander book-1200px.jpg] So this might have been in Television Centre? TC8 got a big Neve, but that was 1981:, here it is, going in the window, under manual propulsion! [1981-Spring-EngInf4.pdf-Neve into TC8-1200px.jpg] Looks like that design was still similar to the above ones, but I'm interested in any desks, as I said up to 1976ish, so before this one. Any memories, information or photos would be appreciated. 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Sep 24 21:22:56 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 03:22:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Worth a read In-Reply-To: <825CD923-5378-40D7-B677-5D1B4DA9BF46@mac.com> References: <825CD923-5378-40D7-B677-5D1B4DA9BF46@mac.com> Message-ID: <4EA57ED1-87F9-4CEF-B861-B92B52DA505A@icloud.com> Seems to be poor html, in reader view on Safari they display properly ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Sep 2021, at 23:39, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote: > > What a shame The Article squeezes the images in this article into the wrong aspect ratio. I looked at a couple of others which had fewer photos, but they seemed OK, so I assume it?s not something that I am doing.. > > Mike G > > >> On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Dave Jeffcock was once a trainee of mine, long ago - >> >> https://www.thearticle.com/sounds-of-the-sixties-the-unsung-heroes-of-the-bbc >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Sep 25 01:28:44 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:28:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Worth a read In-Reply-To: <4EA57ED1-87F9-4CEF-B861-B92B52DA505A@icloud.com> References: <4EA57ED1-87F9-4CEF-B861-B92B52DA505A@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9A9BCFC9-E7D5-4243-B853-2BB5CDEF2C5C@me.com> Using Safari on my iPad the aspect ratio is also wrong. But I was more bothered by Jimmy Hendrix being ?monotone?. Nit picking aside, I liked the article. I?d love to know if those who ordered the routine erasure of recordings feel any shame for all that cultural vandalism? Alan Taylor > On 25 Sep 2021, at 03:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Seems to be poor html, in reader view on Safari they display properly > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Sep 2021, at 23:39, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote: >> >> What a shame The Article squeezes the images in this article into the wrong aspect ratio. I looked at a couple of others which had fewer photos, but they seemed OK, so I assume it?s not something that I am doing.. >> >> Mike G >> >> >>>> On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Dave Jeffcock was once a trainee of mine, long ago - >>> >>> https://www.thearticle.com/sounds-of-the-sixties-the-unsung-heroes-of-the-bbc >>> >>> B >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Sat Sep 25 02:43:52 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:43:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Worth a read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, When I first started teaching on the HNC/HND in Television Technology(Greenwich University) that I wrote. We sent the students out with cameras to make basic 12 min edited programmes. The guy who owned the local live music venue in TunbridgeWells was supportive and one group went out one Thursday and recorded an early performance by Oasis. Unfortunately as we never had enough tapes, all our tapes had to be recycled and we later lamented that we lost this early performance plus a few more which would have been quite valuable. On another occasion we sent out students onto Tonbridge High street where unbeknownst to us there was a huge surveillance operation going on to cover a gang of jewellery thieves. The students arrived back and within a short time lent Police seized all the students tapes as evidence ara Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Dave Jeffcock was once a trainee of mine, long ago - https://www.thearticle.com/sounds-of-the-sixties-the-unsung-heroes-of-the-bbc B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Sep 25 03:00:43 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:00:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Worth a read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2746115A-D9FF-462E-A83B-1914DA1F58F9@mac.com> I suppose many of them have now been erased themselves! Mike G > On 25 Sep 2021, at 08:44, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Hi, When I first started teaching on the HNC/HND in Television Technology(Greenwich University) that I wrote. We sent the students out with cameras to make basic 12 min edited programmes. The guy who owned the local live music venue in TunbridgeWells was supportive and one group went out one Thursday and recorded an early performance by Oasis. Unfortunately as we never had enough tapes, all our tapes had to be recycled and we later lamented that we lost this early performance plus a few more which would have been quite valuable. On another occasion we sent out students onto Tonbridge High street where unbeknownst to us there was a huge surveillance operation going on to cover a gang of jewellery thieves. The students arrived back and within a short time lent Police seized all the students tapes as evidence ara > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? Dave Jeffcock was once a trainee of mine, long ago - >> >> https://www.thearticle.com/sounds-of-the-sixties-the-unsung-heroes-of-the-bbc >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Sep 25 03:28:13 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:28:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Aspect ratio was Worth a read In-Reply-To: <825CD923-5378-40D7-B677-5D1B4DA9BF46@mac.com> References: <825CD923-5378-40D7-B677-5D1B4DA9BF46@mac.com> Message-ID: <614edd9d.1c69fb81.a4e2e.53dc@mx.google.com> Can anyone tell me for certain, if the aspect ratio is set at ?play-out?? I thought that my small Samsung set was sensing the picture size, but I now do not think so, as when selected to force display 4:3 on the remote, the interim commercials (16:9 origination) get all squished up. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: M E GILES via Tech1 Sent: 24 September 2021 23:39 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Worth a read What a shame The Article squeezes the images in this article into the wrong aspect ratio. I looked at a couple of others which had fewer photos, but they seemed OK, so I assume it?s not something that I am doing..? Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sat Sep 25 04:04:38 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:04:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Worth a read In-Reply-To: <9A9BCFC9-E7D5-4243-B853-2BB5CDEF2C5C@me.com> References: <4EA57ED1-87F9-4CEF-B861-B92B52DA505A@icloud.com> <9A9BCFC9-E7D5-4243-B853-2BB5CDEF2C5C@me.com> Message-ID: Hi all, All pictures show in the correct aspect ratio on my phone! Very interesting. The first appearance of The Beatles as a group on TOTP was by means of 35 mm film telerecording - there surely ought to be a copy somewhere in the world! Best regards keep safe. Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Sat, 25 Sep 2021, 07:29 Alan Taylor via Tech1, wrote: > Using Safari on my iPad the aspect ratio is also wrong. But I was more > bothered by Jimmy Hendrix being ?monotone?. > > Nit picking aside, I liked the article. I?d love to know if those who > ordered the routine erasure of recordings feel any shame for all that > cultural vandalism? > > Alan Taylor > > > On 25 Sep 2021, at 03:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?Seems to be poor html, in reader view on Safari they display properly > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > >> On 24 Sep 2021, at 23:39, M E GILES via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >> What a shame The Article squeezes the images in this article into the > wrong aspect ratio. I looked at a couple of others which had fewer photos, > but they seemed OK, so I assume it?s not something that I am doing.. > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >> > >>>> On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dave Jeffcock was once a trainee of mine, long ago - > >>> > >>> > https://www.thearticle.com/sounds-of-the-sixties-the-unsung-heroes-of-the-bbc > >>> > >>> B > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tech1 mailing list > >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Sep 25 04:25:29 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:25:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Worth a read In-Reply-To: <825CD923-5378-40D7-B677-5D1B4DA9BF46@mac.com> References: <825CD923-5378-40D7-B677-5D1B4DA9BF46@mac.com> Message-ID: <3e0d3102-1059-1d11-61c6-02aa135ea3ca@gmail.com> Here's how it should look. I just did a "Save as..." I think The Article probably uses a content management system that is set up wrong in some way, or just doesn't play nice with the Blink engine. Meanwhile, as I remember it, Dave has a degree in English from Cambridge, so "monotone" is either a slip of the quill pen, or unnoticed autocorrect. B On 24/09/2021 23:39, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote: > What a shame The Article squeezes the images in this article into the > wrong aspect ratio. I looked at a couple of others which had fewer > photos, but they seemed OK, so I assume it?s not something that I am > doing.. > > Mike G > > >> On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> Dave Jeffcock was once a trainee of mine, long ago - >> >> https://www.thearticle.com/sounds-of-the-sixties-the-unsung-heroes-of-the-bbc >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fjincjfkjdkcljpj.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 175390 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Sep 25 04:33:41 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:33:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Worth a read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E5D54A1-60A5-49D6-8C86-DA748CC98249@me.com> Intrigued by the aspect ratio issue, I fired up my Mac to check and this is what was displayed on OS X Safari. All the text and other screen elements are displayed normally. The Beatles picture is orientated like a skyscraper, I couldn?t show it all on the screen at once, despite zooming out a couple of notches to make everything smaller. Curiously, the aspect ratio is even worse on the desktop Mac than on my iPad, both using Safari. Fortunately it doesn?t detract from the story. It great that there were people with the skills, passion and cunning to preserve these recordings, but shameful that it could only be done under the radar. Alan Taylor > On 25 Sep 2021, at 10:05, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Hi all, > All pictures show in the correct aspect ratio on my phone! Very interesting. > > The first appearance of The Beatles as a group on TOTP was by means of 35 mm film telerecording - there surely ought to be a copy somewhere in the world! > > Best regards keep safe. Alec > > > sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. > >> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021, 07:29 Alan Taylor via Tech1, wrote: >> Using Safari on my iPad the aspect ratio is also wrong. But I was more bothered by Jimmy Hendrix being ?monotone?. >> >> Nit picking aside, I liked the article. I?d love to know if those who ordered the routine erasure of recordings feel any shame for all that cultural vandalism? >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> > On 25 Sep 2021, at 03:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > ?Seems to be poor html, in reader view on Safari they display properly >> > ? >> > Graeme Wall >> > >> > >> >> On 24 Sep 2021, at 23:39, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> What a shame The Article squeezes the images in this article into the wrong aspect ratio. I looked at a couple of others which had fewer photos, but they seemed OK, so I assume it?s not something that I am doing.. >> >> >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On 24 Sep 2021, at 22:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dave Jeffcock was once a trainee of mine, long ago - >> >>> >> >>> https://www.thearticle.com/sounds-of-the-sixties-the-unsung-heroes-of-the-bbc >> >>> >> >>> B >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Tech1 mailing list >> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Tech1 mailing list >> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Made a horrendous mistake in ordering Mateus Rose with the veal Marsala ? clashed awfully and tasted like disinfectant! Thank goodness for freelancing and foreign travel, which taught me a lot. I?m concocting a chapter about various table-top cooking which I have come across on location ? the customer does the work! Will post it later, when knocked into shape. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Sep 25 13:58:03 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 18:58:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shepherd's Bush Eateries In-Reply-To: <614f0b03.1c69fb81.298a3.ad1b@mx.google.com> References: <614f0b03.1c69fb81.298a3.ad1b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Concocting a chapter? Will all of us white whiskered old fogies be invited to the book signing - I hope so. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 25 Sep 2021, at 12:42, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Feeling nostalgic, I was remembering that very occasionally my mentor and I would wander across Shepherd?s Bush Green from TVT to lunch at Bertorelli?s. This closed down, but there was another branch in Queensway ? also gone, now, but I believe that the Charlotte Street one is still in business? Also one in Floral Street Covent Garden? Bit more pricey than the three and fourpence second meal-of-the-day allowance! Took a lass out to dinner to Charlotte St in my younger days and didn?t know much about wine. Made a horrendous mistake in ordering Mateus Rose with the veal Marsala ? clashed awfully and tasted like disinfectant! Thank goodness for freelancing and foreign travel, which taught me a lot. I?m concocting a chapter about various table-top cooking which I have come across on location ? the customer does the work! Will post it later, when knocked into shape. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 05:36:14 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 11:36:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lunch pics Message-ID: <7ecccd57-3387-8843-d4c6-13e2ff6fa3a7@gmail.com> Twenty of us there - pretty good I thought for current times. B http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/09/lunch-september-24th-2021/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Om a lighter note, I followed the link to Mike Giles BBC life story and came across the story of the Gulf War Christmas programme. Brought back memories as I was in TC3 for that looking after the Tel OBs Comms side of things. The need was for the orchestra in Andover was to provide the clean feed music fed back to each remote site so they could sing along with it and Iraq was 2 satellite hops via Cyprus or somewhere and Germany on EBU circuits. On return to TC, obviously all sites had to be in sync. One thing he didn?t say was that Designs or Research had just invented some sort of electronic thing to test lip sync on satellite systems and each route from the OBs was different length. However the test using that from Iraq was a complete failure and we resorted to a real person speaking in front of the camera to tweak the delays to be the same from all sites. We all know that human timing of speech sound compared to lip movements is incredibly accurate. Then everything was fed to network through a box from RAI which was just a delay line used in Italy so RAI TV on their re-broadcast networks on cable was never actually ?live? so not illegal. Then during an orchestral bit from UK, the studio o/p was mixed from LIVE to DELAYED and no-one noticed so that it all looked/sounded good! Clever weren?t we? When I was doing The Priory for Channel 5 (or was it 4) in late 1990s we had satellite from punters houses and were offered c/f back on satellite ? 2 hops far too much for sync ? so I as EM always organised the c/f to be on a phone landline so it was better and the punters got audio almost in sync and presenter was better able to cope with delays. Probably easier now with all very fast fibre throughout the world! Catch you at next PU. Mike *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2021 11:36 AM *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk *Subject:* [Tech1] Lunch pics Twenty of us there - pretty good I thought for current times. 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Sep 28 09:27:10 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 14:27:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: <6152f3d5.1c69fb81.675aa.5bac@mx.google.com> References: <6152f3d5.1c69fb81.675aa.5bac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You were lucky. My recent dealings with DVLA didn?t go quite like that: Back in May this year, I noticed that my driver?s licence was due to expire on July 1st. I went online to renew it. It?s an automated system. I needed to update my email address to replace the one registered with them which I don?t have anymore. I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of address just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present Cranleigh address in my name. The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t recognise ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived there for 35 years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed the house name, so The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no longer exists! Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as it just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. Back online: Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of times, achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go back to the start, filling out all your details again. At about the fifth or sixth attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was a real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last looked. I told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we get this (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in less than a couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice was ?Another time, you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, such as a bogus postcode, so that it dumps you straight away. She gave me a fake postcode to try. Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, is that you again?It worked, then!? So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and now in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the letter box two days later. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? A word of praise for a Government Dept. My Driving Licence expires on 6th Dec 2021. I received a postal reminder in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply on-line, acknowledged on Sept 23rd. 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I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of address just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present Cranleigh address in my name. The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t recognise ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived there for 35 years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed the house name, so The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no longer exists! Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as it just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. Back online: Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of times, achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go back to the start, filling out all your details again. At about the fifth or sixth attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was a real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last looked. I told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we get this (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in less than a couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice was ?Another time, you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, such as a bogus postcode, so that it dumps you straight away. She gave me a fake postcode to try. Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, is that you again?It worked, then!? So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and now in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the letter box two days later. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > A word of praise for a Government Dept. > My Driving Licence expires on 6th Dec 2021. I received a postal reminder in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply on-line, acknowledged on Sept 23rd. > My new licence arrived this morning ? Sept 28th, valid from 24th to December 2024. > I think that?s pretty brilliant! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Tue Sep 28 09:37:18 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:37:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Panic! In-Reply-To: <708D61E6-4A6A-4F81-80E4-AF62DD114C44@me.com> References: <708D61E6-4A6A-4F81-80E4-AF62DD114C44@me.com> Message-ID: <872409614.936898.1632839838150@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Tue Sep 28 09:43:14 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 14:43:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anything you like, so long as it has the right number of characters and format but doesn?t exist. The one she gave me was a Swansea (non) postcode. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2021, at 15:34, Nick Rodger wrote: ? So the big question is??.. What?s the bogus postcode???? Nick Rodger Cameraman (Retired) 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! Don?t blame me!! I voted Remain ?? On 28 Sep 2021, at 15:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? You were lucky. My recent dealings with DVLA didn?t go quite like that: Back in May this year, I noticed that my driver?s licence was due to expire on July 1st. I went online to renew it. It?s an automated system. I needed to update my email address to replace the one registered with them which I don?t have anymore. I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of address just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present Cranleigh address in my name. The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t recognise ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived there for 35 years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed the house name, so The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no longer exists! Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as it just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. Back online: Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of times, achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go back to the start, filling out all your details again. At about the fifth or sixth attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was a real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last looked. I told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we get this (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in less than a couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice was ?Another time, you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, such as a bogus postcode, so that it dumps you straight away. She gave me a fake postcode to try. Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, is that you again?It worked, then!? So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and now in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the letter box two days later. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? A word of praise for a Government Dept. My Driving Licence expires on 6th Dec 2021. I received a postal reminder in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply on-line, acknowledged on Sept 23rd. My new licence arrived this morning ? Sept 28th, valid from 24th to December 2024. I think that?s pretty brilliant! 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Scoreline: Pat 1 BOT 0 I enjoy viewing Police Interceptors, I know one of the post mixers quite well ? there seem to be loads of young tykes ?oop Norf? who drive around at high speed, possibly stolen, with no licence, no tax, no insurance and a blatant disregard for the law. It?s creeping South, some examples are appearing in Essex. Quite satisfying when the apprehended vehicle is seized, possibly to be crushed, but we don?t get to see that! I worked on a pilot for this type of programme, riding around with West Mercia Police in a Vauxhall Vanguard (I think it was). The guys thought it was a crap car but cheap to repair and went like the proverbial s**t off a shovel. Most forces seem to favour BMW?s both marked and unmarked. Surrey tried out a sports Porsche, unmarked, but don?t know what happened to that. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2021 15:27 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA You were lucky. My recent dealings with DVLA didn?t go quite like that: Back in May this year, I noticed that my driver?s licence was due to expire on July 1st. I went online to renew it. It?s an automated system.? I needed to update my email address to replace the one registered with them which I don?t have anymore. I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of address just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present Cranleigh address in my name. The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t recognise ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived there for 35 years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed the house name, so The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no longer exists! Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as it just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. Back online: Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of times, achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go back to the start, filling out all your details again. At about the fifth or sixth attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was a real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last looked. I told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we get this (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in less than a couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice was ?Another time, you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, such as a bogus postcode, so that it dumps you straight away. She gave me a fake postcode to try.? Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, is that you again?It worked, then!? So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and now in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the letter box two days later. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? A word of praise for a Government Dept. My Driving Licence expires on 6th Dec 2021. I received a postal reminder in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply on-line, acknowledged on Sept 23rd. My new licence arrived this morning ? Sept 28th, valid from 24th to December 2024. I think that?s pretty brilliant! ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:01 PM To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA What a great, if frustrating story! Automated systems work if there is nothing to alter. In your case, you managed to ?Spoof the Computer!? (New Game Show?) There should be some form of remotely destroying the other end as it?s so irritating to have to run through all the menus and start again each time. Yes, I think I was lucky ? I was asked to send my old licence back, but I wasn?t going to until I had the new one in my paw! Scoreline: Pat 1 BOT 0 I enjoy viewing Police Interceptors, I know one of the post mixers quite well ? there seem to be loads of young tykes ?oop Norf? who drive around at high speed, possibly stolen, with no licence, no tax, no insurance and a blatant disregard for the law. It?s creeping South, some examples are appearing in Essex. Quite satisfying when the apprehended vehicle is seized, possibly to be crushed, but we don?t get to see that! I worked on a pilot for this type of programme, riding around with West Mercia Police in a Vauxhall Vanguard (I think it was). The guys thought it was a crap car but cheap to repair and went like the proverbial s**t off a shovel. Most forces seem to favour BMW?s both marked and unmarked. Surrey tried out a sports Porsche, unmarked, but don?t know what happened to that. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2021 15:27 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA You were lucky. My recent dealings with DVLA didn?t go quite like that: Back in May this year, I noticed that my driver?s licence was due to expire on July 1st. I went online to renew it. It?s an automated system. I needed to update my email address to replace the one registered with them which I don?t have anymore. I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of address just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present Cranleigh address in my name. The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t recognise ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived there for 35 years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed the house name, so The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no longer exists! Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as it just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. Back online: Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of times, achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go back to the start, filling out all your details again. At about the fifth or sixth attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was a real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last looked. I told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we get this (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in less than a couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice was ?Another time, you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, such as a bogus postcode, so that it dumps you straight away. She gave me a fake postcode to try. Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, is that you again?It worked, then!? So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and now in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the letter box two days later. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? A word of praise for a Government Dept. My Driving Licence expires on 6th Dec 2021. I received a postal reminder in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply on-line, acknowledged on Sept 23rd. My new licence arrived this morning ? Sept 28th, valid from 24th to December 2024. I think that?s pretty brilliant! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lotus%20Evora%202021[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 235712 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2021, at 16:02, patheigham wrote: [snip]? ?? I was asked to send my old licence back, but I wasn?t going to until I had the new one in my paw! ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Sep 28 16:43:56 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 22:43:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: <61532e5b.1c69fb81.5950a.fc5d@mx.google.com> References: <6152f3d5.1c69fb81.675aa.5bac@mx.google.com> <61532e5b.1c69fb81.5950a.fc5d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0b8d37b9-5144-7a71-2502-a3c7107a7335@btinternet.com> Standard Vanguard. On 28/09/2021 16:01, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > What a great, if frustrating story! Automated systems work if there is > nothing to alter. In your case, you managed to ?Spoof the Computer!? > (New Game Show?) > > There should be some form of remotely destroying the other end as it?s > so irritating to have to run through all the menus and start again > each time. > > Yes, I think I /was/ lucky ? I was asked to send my old licence back, > but I wasn?t going to until I had the new one in my paw! > > Scoreline: > > Pat 1? BOT 0 > > I enjoy viewing Police Interceptors, I know one of the post mixers > quite well ? there seem to be loads of young tykes ?oop Norf? who > drive around at high speed, possibly stolen, with no licence, no tax, > no insurance and a blatant disregard for the law. It?s creeping South, > some examples are appearing in Essex. > > Quite satisfying when the apprehended vehicle is seized, possibly to > be crushed, but we don?t get to see that! > > I worked on a pilot for this type of programme, riding around with > West Mercia Police in a Vauxhall Vanguard (I think it was). The guys > thought it was a crap car but cheap to repair and went like the > proverbial s**t off a shovel. Most forces seem to favour BMW?s both > marked and unmarked. Surrey tried out a sports Porsche, unmarked, but > don?t know what happened to that. > > Best > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent: *28 September 2021 15:27 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > You were lucky. My recent dealings with DVLA didn?t go quite like that: > > Back in May this year, I noticed that my driver?s licence was due to > expire on July 1st. > > I went online to renew it. It?s an automated system. > > I needed to update my email address to replace the one registered with > them which I don?t have anymore. > > I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of > address just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present > Cranleigh address in my name. > > The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t > recognise ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived > there for 35 years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed > the house name, so The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no > longer exists! > > Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as > it just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. > > Back online: > > Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of > times, achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go > back to the start, filling out all your details again. At about the > fifth or sixth attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! > > Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was > a real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last > looked. I told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we > get this (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in > less than a couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice > was ?Another time, you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, > such as a bogus postcode, so that it dumps you straight away. She gave > me a fake postcode to try. > > Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be > interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. > > Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, > is that you again?It worked, then!? > > So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and > now in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the > letter box two days later. > > Cheers, > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > A word of praise for a Government Dept. > > My Driving Licence expires on 6^th Dec 2021. I received a postal > reminder in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply > on-line, acknowledged on Sept 23rd. > > My new licence arrived this morning ? Sept 28^th , valid from > 24^th to December 2024. > > I think that?s pretty brilliant! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail > for Windows > > Avast logo > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Sep 29 04:58:36 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:58:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week Message-ID: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com> ?Medics say that people shouldn?t drink more than twelve units of alcohol per week. Understandably it?s hard for some people to equate units with bottles, but it?s very easy for technical people. This is what 3U of alcohol looks like. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21396 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Therefore 12U per week means 16 bottles per week. Happy days Alan Taylor From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Sep 29 08:39:41 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:39:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week In-Reply-To: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com> References: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com> Message-ID: I?m obviously not drinkng enough ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Sep 2021, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Medics say that people shouldn?t drink more than twelve units of alcohol per week. Understandably it?s hard for some people to equate units with bottles, but it?s very easy for technical people. > > This is what 3U of alcohol looks like. > > Therefore 12U per week means 16 bottles per week. > > Happy days > > Alan Taylor > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 29 14:10:12 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:10:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week In-Reply-To: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com> References: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com> Message-ID: <6154ba13.1c69fb81.3d74e.38d0@mx.google.com> That?s a decent rack mounting accessory ? but is there a refrigerating version for the white wine? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 29 September 2021 10:58 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week ?Medics say that people shouldn?t drink more than twelve units of alcohol per week. Understandably it?s hard for some people to equate units with bottles, but it?s very easy for technical people. This is what 3U of alcohol looks like. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Sep 29 15:18:25 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:18:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: References: <6152f3d5.1c69fb81.675aa.5bac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7U8WdVuGAoBqeEYwtlXV35lZokwrYSOOmEBo31fnXwuERhqmTa5dc84yfEfANePdJh08VSzsd1S7AAh3CBvzISy8PZT9FcCzqWkBcrKnfNg=@protonmail.com> Wow, thanks for the helpful info. I'm still waiting for DVLA to renew my licence, and I've been all round that BOT thingy, but when it decided I needed to speak to a human, I got the message that there was no one available, try again later!!! I'd already tried phoning, total waste of time. I also tried to email them, but the website started by asking me to fill in a whole load of forms, which I'd already done for the original renewal application. Oh yes, I didn't mention that - apply for licence renewal, and you have to go through a plethora of form filling, including your mother's maiden name, your medical history, and how long you've been on the planet - and at the end of this the final question is, 'has anything changed since your last application?' Arrrgh, if the answer to that is no, which it is, why can't that be the first question, whereupon all your details can be regurgitated without the necessity for all that waste-of-time garbage. It has to be the most frustrating, hair-tearingly bloody useless load of badly designed website on the whole of the internet. In a fit of wanton old-fashioned pique, I've actually written to them, that is, posted a letter first class via Her Majesty's postal system, still known, as far as I know, as the Royal Mail. Reply? You must be joking. All that said, it's also reassuring to know that the applied-for licence is valid from the date of your renewal application, if your information is accurate. My passport expired earlier this year, and I haven't yet bothered to go round the houses with that, has anyone any experience of this? I doubt if it can be any worse than the DVLA shenanigans. Oh no, I feel a bad fit of the over-roasted gnadgers coming on, I'll have to go and lie down in a darkened room, TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Tuesday, September 28th, 2021 at 15:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > You were lucky. My recent dealings with DVLA didn?t go quite like that: > Back in May this year, I noticed that my driver?s licence was due to expire on July 1st. > I went online to renew it. It?s an automated system. > I needed to update my email address to replace the one registered with them which I don?t have anymore. > I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of address just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present Cranleigh address in my name. > The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t recognise ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived there for 35 years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed the house name, so The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no longer exists! > Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as it just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. > Back online: > Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of times, achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go back to the start, filling out all your details again. At about the fifth or sixth attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! > Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was a real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last looked. I told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we get this (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in less than a couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice was ?Another time, you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, such as a bogus postcode, so that it dumps you straight away. She gave me a fake postcode to try. > Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. > Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, is that you again?It worked, then!? > So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and now in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the letter box two days later. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > >> ? >> >> A word of praise for a Government Dept. >> >> My Driving Licence expires on 6th Dec 2021. I received a postal reminder in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply on-line, acknowledged on Sept 23rd. >> >> My new licence arrived this morning ? 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URL: From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com Wed Sep 29 15:28:53 2021 From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 21:28:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: <7U8WdVuGAoBqeEYwtlXV35lZokwrYSOOmEBo31fnXwuERhqmTa5dc84yfEfANePdJh08VSzsd1S7AAh3CBvzISy8PZT9FcCzqWkBcrKnfNg=@protonmail.com> References: <6152f3d5.1c69fb81.675aa.5bac@mx.google.com> <7U8WdVuGAoBqeEYwtlXV35lZokwrYSOOmEBo31fnXwuERhqmTa5dc84yfEfANePdJh08VSzsd1S7AAh3CBvzISy8PZT9FcCzqWkBcrKnfNg=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: I renewed my passport not that long ago on line: very easy. I seem to remember I uploaded a fresh d.i.y. photo, also easy. As we had just left the EU, I got a nice new blue passport. John Nottage John Nottage On Wed, 29 Sep 2021, 21:18 techtone via Tech1, wrote: > Wow, thanks for the helpful info. I'm still waiting for DVLA to renew my > licence, and I've been all round that BOT thingy, but when it decided I > needed to speak to a human, I got the message that there was no one > available, try again later!!! I'd already tried phoning, total waste of > time. I also tried to email them, but the website started by asking me to > fill in a whole load of forms, which I'd already done for the original > renewal application. > > Oh yes, I didn't mention that - apply for licence renewal, and you have to > go through a plethora of form filling, including your mother's maiden name, > your medical history, and how long you've been on the planet - and at the > end of this the final question is, 'has anything changed since your last > application?' Arrrgh, if the answer to that is no, which it is, why can't > that be the first question, whereupon all your details can be regurgitated > without the necessity for all that waste-of-time garbage. It has to be the > most frustrating, hair-tearingly bloody useless load of badly designed > website on the whole of the internet. > > In a fit of wanton old-fashioned pique, I've actually written to them, > that is, posted a letter first class via Her Majesty's postal system, still > known, as far as I know, as the Royal Mail. Reply? You must be joking. All > that said, it's also reassuring to know that the applied-for licence is > valid from the date of your renewal application, if your information is > accurate. > > My passport expired earlier this year, and I haven't yet bothered to go > round the houses with that, has anyone any experience of this? I doubt if > it can be any worse than the DVLA shenanigans. Oh no, I feel a bad fit of > the over-roasted gnadgers coming on, I'll have to go and lie down in a > darkened room, > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Tuesday, September 28th, 2021 at 15:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > You were lucky. My recent dealings with DVLA didn?t go quite like that: > Back in May this year, I noticed that my driver?s licence was due to > expire on July 1st. > I went online to renew it. It?s an automated system. > I needed to update my email address to replace the one registered with > them which I don?t have anymore. > I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of address > just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present Cranleigh address > in my name. > The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t recognise > ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived there for 35 > years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed the house name, so > The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no longer exists! > Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as it > just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. > Back online: > Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of times, > achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go back to the > start, filling out all your details again. At about the fifth or sixth > attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! > Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was a > real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last looked. I > told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we get this > (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in less than a > couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice was ?Another time, > you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, such as a bogus postcode, > so that it dumps you straight away. She gave me a fake postcode to try. > Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be > interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. > Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, is > that you again?It worked, then!? > So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and now > in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the letter box > two days later. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > A word of praise for a Government Dept. > > My Driving Licence expires on 6th Dec 2021. I received a postal reminder > in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply on-line, > acknowledged on Sept 23rd. > > My new licence arrived this morning ? Sept 28th, valid from 24th to > December 2024. > > I think that?s pretty brilliant! > > > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-7984947763315758103_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Sep 29 15:55:50 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 21:55:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If not Standard Vanguard, (which I doubt), may be Vauxhall Viscount? Not sure of the dates, though. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 28 Sep 2021, at 17:58, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Previous photo was 2013 but I see the trend continues :- > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: David Newbitt > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:20 PM > To: patheigham > Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > A few years back this raised an eyebrow or two > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:01 PM > To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > What a great, if frustrating story! Automated systems work if there is nothing to alter. In your case, you managed to ?Spoof the Computer!? (New Game Show?) > There should be some form of remotely destroying the other end as it?s so irritating to have to run through all the menus and start again each time. > Yes, I think I was lucky ? I was asked to send my old licence back, but I wasn?t going to until I had the new one in my paw! > > Scoreline: > Pat 1 BOT 0 > > I enjoy viewing Police Interceptors, I know one of the post mixers quite well ? there seem to be loads of young tykes ?oop Norf? who drive around at high speed, possibly stolen, with no licence, no tax, no insurance and a blatant disregard for the law. It?s creeping South, some examples are appearing in Essex. > Quite satisfying when the apprehended vehicle is seized, possibly to be crushed, but we don?t get to see that! > I worked on a pilot for this type of programme, riding around with West Mercia Police in a Vauxhall Vanguard (I think it was). The guys thought it was a crap car but cheap to repair and went like the proverbial s**t off a shovel. Most forces seem to favour BMW?s both marked and unmarked. Surrey tried out a sports Porsche, unmarked, but don?t know what happened to that. > > Best > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 28 September 2021 15:27 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > You were lucky. My recent dealings with DVLA didn?t go quite like that: > Back in May this year, I noticed that my driver?s licence was due to expire on July 1st. > I went online to renew it. It?s an automated system. > I needed to update my email address to replace the one registered with them which I don?t have anymore. > I noticed too, that despite having notified them of my change of address just over two years ago, the system hadn?t got my present Cranleigh address in my name. > The system wouldn?t let me change that because it also didn?t recognise ?The Ware-house? in my old address and postcode (we lived there for 35 years!). It turns out that the present owner has changed the house name, so The Ware-house for that (exclusive) postcode no longer exists! > Two hours wasted in a phone queue several times achieved nothing, as it just dropped out after approx 20 mins each time. > Back online: > Online help is just a BOT. That took me round in a loop a number of times, achieving nothing. Each time the BOT gives up you have to go back to the start, filling out all your details again. At about the fifth or sixth attempt, the BOT FINALLY spat me out to a human being! > Now, at last, speaking to a real person, I asked her if she really was a real person. She laughed and assured me she was when she last looked. I told her what I?d gone through, and she said ?No problem, we get this (****) all the time. I can sort it all out for you?, and in less than a couple of minutes, she did. Her parting piece of advice was ?Another time, you need tell the BOT stuff it can?t understand, such as a bogus postcode, so that it dumps you straight away. She gave me a fake postcode to try. > Having ended the chat with her satisfactorily, I thought it would be interesting to go back online and put the fake postcode to the test. > Within seconds, I was chatting to Suzanne again, and she said ?Oh hi, is that you again?It worked, then!? > So, finally after a wasted couple of hours, satisfaction at last, and now in the hands of a human being, the licence dropped through the letter box two days later. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 28 Sep 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > A word of praise for a Government Dept. > My Driving Licence expires on 6th Dec 2021. I received a postal reminder in mid Sept. As nothing had changed, I was able to apply on-line, acknowledged on Sept 23rd. > My new licence arrived this morning ? Sept 28th, valid from 24th to December 2024. > I think that?s pretty brilliant! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > <224B48754574430B95D185B7C76E2486.png> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 29 16:09:31 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:09:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: References: <6152f3d5.1c69fb81.675aa.5bac@mx.google.com> <7U8WdVuGAoBqeEYwtlXV35lZokwrYSOOmEBo31fnXwuERhqmTa5dc84yfEfANePdJh08VSzsd1S7AAh3CBvzISy8PZT9FcCzqWkBcrKnfNg=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <6154d60a.1c69fb81.a6ddf.53dd@mx.google.com> Yes, passport easy for me, too, on-line. I was impressed that on uploading a digital photo, it automatically resized and centred it! But mine was before Brexit, so still got a horrid burgundy one. (which could not be machine read at the Brussels Eurostar point, although no problem on the outward journey). I believe that DVLA used my passport photo and signature from that, or it might have been from my previous licence. Tony?s moan about the design of the application form is valid. My previous application asked something about eyesight ? are you suffering, or have you ever etc. As I had had two cataract ops, I was honest and answered ?yes?. This caused a constriction delay, so a phone call to a charming young lady explaining my dilemma resulted in her advice ?just put NO?! I wondered if it was a Catch 22 question, designed to trip you up. During the troubles in the Middle East/South Africa, I knew it was possible for film crews to have a second passport, not showing entrance stamps for certain countries that were out of favour with others. Dunno if this is still possible, or necessary. Being descended from Irish ancestry, I believe I?m entitled to apply for an Irish passport! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 29 September 2021 21:29 To: techtone Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA I renewed my passport not that long ago on line: very easy. I seem to remember I uploaded a fresh d.i.y. photo, also easy. As we had just left the EU, I got a nice new blue passport.? John Nottage? John Nottage -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonynuttall at me.com Thu Sep 30 02:02:41 2021 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:02:41 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?12_units_per_week?= Message-ID: If you are or were a serious Wine Drinker ?you would need Ian Elliots Fridge Unitonly 13 Unit high. Ian as a very well respected Audio Consultant knows about these things!Tony Nhttps://www.canford.co.uk/CANFORD-RACK-FRIDGEOn Sep 29, 2021, at 8:10 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:That?s a decent rack mounting accessory ? but is there a refrigerating version for the white wine?Pat?Sent from Mail for Windows?From: Alan Taylor via Tech1Sent: 29 September 2021 10:58To: tech1Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week??Medics say that people shouldn?t drink more than twelve units of alcohol per week. Understandably it?s hard for some people to equate units with bottles, but it?s very easy for technical people.?This is what 3U of alcohol looks like.? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Thu Sep 30 02:41:57 2021 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:41:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: <6154d60a.1c69fb81.a6ddf.53dd@mx.google.com> References: <6154d60a.1c69fb81.a6ddf.53dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <454EE904-8A36-4699-888F-FB88133243DF@btinternet.com> Isn?t the DVLA?s inefficiency one of the reasons for the lorry driver shortage & the current fuel crisis? ?.. They now have a catastrophic backlog of nearly 50,000 new HGV licence applications - because of COVID, staff working from home coupled with the strike they had in July. Steve > On 29 Sep 2021, at 22:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Yes, passport easy for me, too, on-line. I was impressed that on uploading a digital photo, it automatically resized and centred it! > But mine was before Brexit, so still got a horrid burgundy one. > (which could not be machine read at the Brussels Eurostar point, although no problem on the outward journey). > I believe that DVLA used my passport photo and signature from that, or it might have been from my previous licence. > > Tony?s moan about the design of the application form is valid. > My previous application asked something about eyesight ? are you suffering, or have you ever etc. As I had had two cataract ops, I was honest and answered ?yes?. This caused a constriction delay, so a phone call to a charming young lady explaining my dilemma resulted in her advice ?just put NO?! I wondered if it was a Catch 22 question, designed to trip you up. > > During the troubles in the Middle East/South Africa, I knew it was possible for film crews to have a second passport, not showing entrance stamps for certain countries that were out of favour with others. > Dunno if this is still possible, or necessary. > > Being descended from Irish ancestry, I believe I?m entitled to apply for an Irish passport! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: 29 September 2021 21:29 > To: techtone > Cc: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > I renewed my passport not that long ago on line: very easy. I seem to remember I uploaded a fresh d.i.y. photo, also easy. As we had just left the EU, I got a nice new blue passport. > > John Nottage > > John Nottage > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Sep 30 03:57:43 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:57:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: <454EE904-8A36-4699-888F-FB88133243DF@btinternet.com> References: <6154d60a.1c69fb81.a6ddf.53dd@mx.google.com> <454EE904-8A36-4699-888F-FB88133243DF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: After turning 70 in 2016, I needed a medical every three years to retain my licence to drive a car and caravan combination at over 3.5 tonnes. The invitation to renew came quite early and advised immediate application to avoid the risk of delay in issuing the licence, so I made a doctor's appointment straight away and shelled out something like ?130 for the pleasure. My wife?s licence had expired slightly before mine and we had applied for that online, with the new licence arriving fairly smartly, running from the expiry date of the old licence. So when my new licence arrived I was greatly surprised to see that it ran from the date of application and would therefore expire the best part of two months earlier than it should have done. I rang the DVLA to complain and got through quite quickly, but the response was that it didn?t matter as they don?t charge for renewing licences. I pointed out that it did matter, because of the medical fee, which would come around more quickly than necessary, presumably losing a month or so each time. I said it was no good leaving things until the last minute, because it needed two or three weeks? notice to get a private appointment for the medical and I don?t like cutting these things too fine anyway. But that got me nowhere. So I asked to speak to a manager, but was given an e-mail address. To cut the long story short, after exchanging two or three e-mails, I was asked to return the newly issued licence and in three days a re-issued licence came in the post with the original anniversary date re-instated! When it came to renew at 73, I put a covering letter in with the postal application and the anniversary date was once again retained. So it does pay to complain and not to take no for an answer ~ but we have now sold our caravan and changed the car, so my victory was fairly short-lived! Incidentally, changing the car proves to have been an inspired decision as we bought a PHEV three weeks ago and can sail past the fuel queues with disdain! Driving home from the dealership, the trip computer was showing 999 mpg! It?s currently showing 135 mpg and the fuel gauge is still hard over. From my brief experience, I now wish I had been more persuasive with my arguments and that we had gone for a full electric, but that?s the next thing to look forward to ~ there will be more second-hand options by then and we really don?t like buying brand new. The one we?ve just bought is a 20 reg and had 2010 miles on the clock, in a colour we like which you can?t get any more! Mike G > On 30 Sep 2021, at 08:41, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: > > Isn?t the DVLA?s inefficiency one of the reasons for the lorry driver shortage & the current fuel crisis? > > ?.. They now have a catastrophic backlog of nearly 50,000 new HGV licence applications - because of COVID, staff working from home coupled with the strike they had in July. > > Steve > >> On 29 Sep 2021, at 22:10, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes, passport easy for me, too, on-line. I was impressed that on uploading a digital photo, it automatically resized and centred it! >> But mine was before Brexit, so still got a horrid burgundy one. >> (which could not be machine read at the Brussels Eurostar point, although no problem on the outward journey). >> I believe that DVLA used my passport photo and signature from that, or it might have been from my previous licence. >> >> Tony?s moan about the design of the application form is valid. >> My previous application asked something about eyesight ? are you suffering, or have you ever etc. As I had had two cataract ops, I was honest and answered ?yes?. This caused a constriction delay, so a phone call to a charming young lady explaining my dilemma resulted in her advice ?just put NO?! I wondered if it was a Catch 22 question, designed to trip you up. >> >> During the troubles in the Middle East/South Africa, I knew it was possible for film crews to have a second passport, not showing entrance stamps for certain countries that were out of favour with others. >> Dunno if this is still possible, or necessary. >> >> Being descended from Irish ancestry, I believe I?m entitled to apply for an Irish passport! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> >> From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> Sent: 29 September 2021 21:29 >> To: techtone >> Cc: Tech Ops >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA >> >> I renewed my passport not that long ago on line: very easy. I seem to remember I uploaded a fresh d.i.y. photo, also easy. As we had just left the EU, I got a nice new blue passport. >> >> John Nottage >> >> John Nottage >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 30 04:27:48 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:27:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: References: <6154d60a.1c69fb81.a6ddf.53dd@mx.google.com> <454EE904-8A36-4699-888F-FB88133243DF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <61558312.1c69fb81.9ebff.d3d6@mx.google.com> Well done for persevering, Mike. As I mentioned earlier, my new licence properly runs until the normal renewal date in 2024, three years? time. I don?t need a medical, but my last optometrist check in April revealed that after cataract surgery, I can read the smallest line on the card, which is two lines better than 20:20 - (officer!). My nice lady told me that not many people can achieve that. My new specs were expensive*, but the frame and lenses are so light that I forget I?m wearing them. *Bi-focal and photochromic puts up the cost. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: M E GILES via Tech1 Sent: 30 September 2021 09:58 Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA After turning 70 in 2016, I needed a medical every three years to retain my licence to drive a car and caravan combination at over 3.5 tonnes. The invitation to renew came quite early and advised immediate application to avoid the risk of delay in issuing the licence, so I made a doctor's appointment straight away and shelled out something like ?130 for the pleasure. My wife?s licence had expired slightly before mine and we had applied for that online, with the new licence arriving fairly smartly, running from the expiry date of the old licence. So?when my new licence arrived I was greatly surprised to see that it ran from the date of application and would therefore expire the best part of two months earlier than it should have done. I rang the DVLA to?complain and got through quite quickly, but the response was that it didn?t matter as they don?t charge for renewing licences. I pointed out that it did matter, because of the medical fee, which would come around more quickly than necessary, presumably losing a month or so each time. I said it was no good leaving things until the last minute, because it needed two or three weeks? notice to get a private appointment for the medical and I don?t like cutting these things too fine anyway. But that got me nowhere. So I asked to speak to a manager, but was given an e-mail address. To cut the long story short, after exchanging two or three e-mails, I was asked to return the newly issued licence and in three days a re-issued licence came in the post with the original anniversary date re-instated! When it came to renew at 73, I put a covering letter in with the postal application and the anniversary date was once again retained. So it does pay to complain and not to take no for an answer ~ but we have now sold our caravan and changed the car, so my victory was fairly short-lived! Mike G On 30 Sep 2021, at 08:41, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: Isn?t the DVLA?s inefficiency one of the reasons for the lorry driver shortage & the current fuel crisis? ??.. They now have a catastrophic backlog of nearly 50,000 new HGV licence applications ?- because of COVID, staff working from home coupled with the strike they had in July.? Steve? On 29 Sep 2021, at 22:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Yes, passport easy for me, too, on-line. I was impressed that on uploading a digital photo, it automatically resized and centred it! But mine was before Brexit, so still got a horrid burgundy one. (which could not be machine read at the Brussels Eurostar point, although no problem on the outward journey). I believe that DVLA used my passport photo and signature from that, or it might have been from my previous licence. ? Tony?s moan about the design of the application form is valid. My previous application asked something about eyesight ? are you suffering, or?have you?ever?etc. As I had had two cataract ops, I was honest and answered ?yes?. This caused a constriction delay, so a phone call to a charming young lady explaining my dilemma resulted in her advice ?just put NO?! I wondered if it was a Catch 22 question, designed to trip you up. ? During the troubles in the Middle East/South Africa, I knew it was possible for film crews to have a second passport, not showing entrance stamps for certain countries that were out of favour with others. Dunno if this is still possible, or necessary. ? Being descended from Irish ancestry, I believe I?m entitled to apply for an Irish passport! ? Pat ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows ? From:?John Nottage via Tech1 Sent:?29 September 2021 21:29 To:?techtone Cc:?Tech Ops Subject:?Re: [Tech1] DVLA ? I renewed my passport not that long ago on line: very easy. I seem to remember I uploaded a fresh d.i.y. photo, also easy. As we had just left the EU, I got a nice new blue passport.? ? John Nottage? John Nottage? ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C64815DEF2984824B1A3890F35D0D51D.png Type: image/png Size: 136 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 30 04:51:40 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:51:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <615588aa.1c69fb81.76c60.c243@mx.google.com> I knew Iain Elliot from the days when Canford were at an old quarry, Ryton Works, somewhere up in Tyne & Wear. He always allowed me the pro-discount, as I used to go in person, as I did with Rycote, when Viv was in charge, although Simon is happy to operate ?mates-rates?! The one company I had difficulty dealing with directly was AKG, after the agent based at Camden Hill ceased operation. No probs with Beyer or Sennheiser, but one can use Amazon, now for good prices. With Canford?s fridge unit, all we need now is a peanuts and crisps dispenser, then we would have a ?sound bar??! (groan). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows From: William Nuttall via Tech1 Sent: 30 September 2021 08:02 To: patheigham Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] 12 units per week If you are or were a serious Wine Drinker ?you would need Ian Elliots Fridge Unit only 13 Unit high. Ian as a very well respected Audio Consultant knows about these things! Tony N https://www.canford.co.uk/CANFORD-RACK-FRIDGE On Sep 29, 2021, at 8:10 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: That?s a decent rack mounting accessory ? but is there a refrigerating version for the white wine? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 30 04:51:40 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:51:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week In-Reply-To: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com> References: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com> Message-ID: I thought you folk might like this piccy of The Magnificent Seven, taken at my daughter?s wedding recently. As you can see, yours truly dressing up to the occasion! And, more relevant to this topic: that?s my new Son-in-Law Sam next to me. He?s a wine merchant, and being a rugby playing beer drinker, much of his personal wine ?allowance? finds its way into approximately 32U of wine-rack space in our kitchen. BTW, you only need to keep the bottle you?re currently using, plus the next one on standby, in the fridge. Hic! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 [X] On 29 Sep 2021, at 10:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Medics say that people shouldn?t drink more than twelve units of alcohol per week. Understandably it?s hard for some people to equate units with bottles, but it?s very easy for technical people. This is what 3U of alcohol looks like. [cid:c84fd01f-088d-4ad7-94ee-36bc911d36a1 at EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM] Therefore 12U per week means 16 bottles per week. Happy days Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He?s a wine merchant, and being a rugby playing beer drinker, much of his personal wine ?allowance? finds its way into approximately 32U of wine-rack space in our kitchen. BTW, you only need to keep the bottle you?re currently using, plus the next one on standby, in the fridge. Hic! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 [X] On 29 Sep 2021, at 10:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Medics say that people shouldn?t drink more than twelve units of alcohol per week. Understandably it?s hard for some people to equate units with bottles, but it?s very easy for technical people. This is what 3U of alcohol looks like. [cid:c84fd01f-088d-4ad7-94ee-36bc911d36a1 at EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM] Therefore 12U per week means 16 bottles per week. Happy days Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 21396 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 11:02:43 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:02:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA In-Reply-To: <61558312.1c69fb81.9ebff.d3d6@mx.google.com> References: <6154d60a.1c69fb81.a6ddf.53dd@mx.google.com> <454EE904-8A36-4699-888F-FB88133243DF@btinternet.com> <61558312.1c69fb81.9ebff.d3d6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <87b04dd7-c73c-0399-de41-c1c6eb408f09@ntlworld.com> A few years ago I went to my usual optician and bought new glasses, with varifocal and photochromic (though that was "free").?? It cost me over ?400, so when I was setting up a trip to South East Asia I worried about dropping them in the Mekong. I happened to be in the local Asda, which has its own optician, and asked how much for their cheapest varifocals. "?45". "Including the varifocal bit?" "Yes" I haven't worn the expensive ones since. Not sure where they are now. B On 30/09/2021 10:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Well done for persevering, Mike. As I mentioned earlier, my new > licence properly runs until the normal renewal date in 2024, three > years? time. > > I don?t need a medical, but my last optometrist check in April > revealed that after cataract surgery, I can read the smallest line on > the card, which is two lines better than 20:20 - (officer!). > > My nice lady told me that not many people can achieve that. > > My new specs were expensive*, but the frame and lenses are so light > that I forget I?m wearing them. > > *Bi-focal and photochromic puts up the cost. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > *From: *M E GILES via Tech1 > *Sent: *30 September 2021 09:58 > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > After turning 70 in 2016, I needed a medical every three years to > retain my licence to drive a car and caravan combination at over 3.5 > tonnes. The invitation to renew came quite early and advised immediate > application to avoid the risk of delay in issuing the licence, so I > made a doctor's appointment straight away and shelled out something > like ?130 for the pleasure. My wife?s licence had expired slightly > before mine and we had applied for that online, with the new licence > arriving fairly smartly, running from the expiry date of the old > licence. So?when my new licence arrived I was greatly surprised to see > that it ran from the date of application and would therefore expire > the best part of two months earlier than it should have done. I rang > the DVLA to?complain and got through quite quickly, but the response > was that it didn?t matter as they don?t charge for renewing licences. > I pointed out that it did matter, because of the medical fee, which > would come around more quickly than necessary, presumably losing a > month or so each time. I said it was no good leaving things until the > last minute, because it needed two or three weeks? notice to get a > private appointment for the medical and I don?t like cutting these > things too fine anyway. But that got me nowhere. > > So I asked to speak to a manager, but was given an e-mail address. To > cut the long story short, after exchanging two or three e-mails, I was > asked to return the newly issued licence and in three days a re-issued > licence came in the post with the original anniversary date > re-instated! When it came to renew at 73, I put a covering letter in > with the postal application and the anniversary date was once again > retained. So it does pay to complain and not to take no for an answer > ~ but we have now sold our caravan and changed the car, so my victory > was fairly short-lived! > > Mike G > > > > On 30 Sep 2021, at 08:41, Steve Edwards via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Isn?t the DVLA?s inefficiency one of the reasons for the lorry > driver shortage & the current fuel crisis? > > ??.. They now have a catastrophic backlog of nearly 50,000 new HGV > licence applications ?- because of COVID, staff working from home > coupled with the strike they had in July. > > Steve > > > > On 29 Sep 2021, at 22:10, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > ? > > Yes, passport easy for me, too, on-line. I was impressed that > on uploading a digital photo, it automatically resized and > centred it! > > But mine was before Brexit, so still got a horrid burgundy one. > > (which could not be machine read at the Brussels Eurostar > point, although no problem on the outward journey). > > I believe that DVLA used my passport photo and signature from > that, or it might have been from my previous licence. > > Tony?s moan about the design of the application form is valid. > > My previous application asked something about eyesight ? are > you suffering, or/have you_ever_/etc. As I had had two > cataract ops, I was honest and answered ?yes?. This caused a > constriction delay, so a phone call to a charming young lady > explaining my dilemma resulted in her advice ?just put NO?! I > wondered if it was a Catch 22 question, designed to trip you up. > > During the troubles in the Middle East/South Africa, I knew it > was possible for film crews to have a second passport, not > showing entrance stamps for certain countries that were out of > favour with others. > > Dunno if this is still possible, or necessary. > > Being descended from Irish ancestry, I believe I?m entitled to > apply for an Irish passport! > > Pat > > Sent fromMail > for Windows > > *From:*John Nottage via Tech1 > *Sent:*29 September 2021 21:29 > *To:*techtone > *Cc:*Tech Ops > *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > I renewed my passport not that long ago on line: very easy. I > seem to remember I uploaded a fresh d.i.y. photo, also easy. > As we had just left the EU, I got a nice new blue passport. > > John Nottage > > John Nottage > > Avast logo > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Sep 30 12:29:45 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:29:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Evesham 1965 Message-ID: <9e31f83e-3534-0bf2-3cd5-b73cf5be2310@gmail.com> Robin Bunce, Roger's son, found this - http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/09/evesham-1965/ B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Sep 30 14:09:56 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 20:09:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Evesham 1965 In-Reply-To: <9e31f83e-3534-0bf2-3cd5-b73cf5be2310@gmail.com> References: <9e31f83e-3534-0bf2-3cd5-b73cf5be2310@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7FABC77E-08DF-46DD-ACDC-C63AA1B17F20@icloud.com> Nice crane shot in the middle! I?ll get my coat. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Sep 2021, at 18:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Robin Bunce, Roger's son, found this - > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/09/evesham-1965/ > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 30 15:44:39 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 20:44:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Evesham 1965 In-Reply-To: <7FABC77E-08DF-46DD-ACDC-C63AA1B17F20@icloud.com> References: <9e31f83e-3534-0bf2-3cd5-b73cf5be2310@gmail.com> <7FABC77E-08DF-46DD-ACDC-C63AA1B17F20@icloud.com> Message-ID: There was a fabulous crane shot in a promo for an Attenborough programne earlier today. It dived and caught a fish. Nx Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Sep 2021, at 20:41, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Nice crane shot in the middle! > > I?ll get my coat. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 30 Sep 2021, at 18:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Robin Bunce, Roger's son, found this - >> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/09/evesham-1965/ >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Sep 30 16:33:34 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 22:33:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DVLA and passports In-Reply-To: <61558312.1c69fb81.9ebff.d3d6@mx.google.com> References: <6154d60a.1c69fb81.a6ddf.53dd@mx.google.com> <454EE904-8A36-4699-888F-FB88133243DF@btinternet.com> <61558312.1c69fb81.9ebff.d3d6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4b732ac4-166a-9389-1fd1-7e6ee430aee4@btinternet.com> My driving licence expired on Oct. 1st. 2020 and was extended by 11 months due to Covid ( the only good thing that it has ever done!) I received a reminder a couple of months ago and went through due process on the internet. I was then asked to cut my old one in half and send it back, which I did straight away. A few MONTHS later I received my new one! Our passports were due for renewal recently and although we have no plans to risk travelling abroad for a while I applied on line. Our local pharmacy have a digital photo service where the nice man takes a miserable mugshot on his mobile and sends it off to the authorities who either OK it or reject it and then I get an internet link to continue with the job. They OK'd the photos and I filled in the application form, then they asked for the old passports to be returned, which I did. A week later the new passports arrived! I wouldn't call them 'blue'! More like midnight! Reading about their design (French!) and manufacture (Belgium!) it is an amazing work of art! So many security features built in plus a chip with all your info on it it is an amazing piece of technology! Has anyone noticed the pattern of scratch marks in the plastic surface? There are the same sort of scatches on the new driving licences but a different pattern. I wonder haw they can be useful. Cheers, Dave On 30/09/2021 10:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Well done for persevering, Mike. As I mentioned earlier, my new > licence properly runs until the normal renewal date in 2024, three > years? time. > > I don?t need a medical, but my last optometrist check in April > revealed that after cataract surgery, I can read the smallest line on > the card, which is two lines better than 20:20 - (officer!). > > My nice lady told me that not many people can achieve that. > > My new specs were expensive*, but the frame and lenses are so light > that I forget I?m wearing them. > > *Bi-focal and photochromic puts up the cost. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > *From: *M E GILES via Tech1 > *Sent: *30 September 2021 09:58 > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > After turning 70 in 2016, I needed a medical every three years to > retain my licence to drive a car and caravan combination at over 3.5 > tonnes. The invitation to renew came quite early and advised immediate > application to avoid the risk of delay in issuing the licence, so I > made a doctor's appointment straight away and shelled out something > like ?130 for the pleasure. My wife?s licence had expired slightly > before mine and we had applied for that online, with the new licence > arriving fairly smartly, running from the expiry date of the old > licence. So?when my new licence arrived I was greatly surprised to see > that it ran from the date of application and would therefore expire > the best part of two months earlier than it should have done. I rang > the DVLA to?complain and got through quite quickly, but the response > was that it didn?t matter as they don?t charge for renewing licences. > I pointed out that it did matter, because of the medical fee, which > would come around more quickly than necessary, presumably losing a > month or so each time. I said it was no good leaving things until the > last minute, because it needed two or three weeks? notice to get a > private appointment for the medical and I don?t like cutting these > things too fine anyway. But that got me nowhere. > > So I asked to speak to a manager, but was given an e-mail address. To > cut the long story short, after exchanging two or three e-mails, I was > asked to return the newly issued licence and in three days a re-issued > licence came in the post with the original anniversary date > re-instated! When it came to renew at 73, I put a covering letter in > with the postal application and the anniversary date was once again > retained. So it does pay to complain and not to take no for an answer > ~ but we have now sold our caravan and changed the car, so my victory > was fairly short-lived! > > Mike G > > > > On 30 Sep 2021, at 08:41, Steve Edwards via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Isn?t the DVLA?s inefficiency one of the reasons for the lorry > driver shortage & the current fuel crisis? > > ??.. They now have a catastrophic backlog of nearly 50,000 new HGV > licence applications ?- because of COVID, staff working from home > coupled with the strike they had in July. > > Steve > > > > On 29 Sep 2021, at 22:10, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > ? > > Yes, passport easy for me, too, on-line. I was impressed that > on uploading a digital photo, it automatically resized and > centred it! > > But mine was before Brexit, so still got a horrid burgundy one. > > (which could not be machine read at the Brussels Eurostar > point, although no problem on the outward journey). > > I believe that DVLA used my passport photo and signature from > that, or it might have been from my previous licence. > > Tony?s moan about the design of the application form is valid. > > My previous application asked something about eyesight ? are > you suffering, or/have you_ever_/etc. As I had had two > cataract ops, I was honest and answered ?yes?. This caused a > constriction delay, so a phone call to a charming young lady > explaining my dilemma resulted in her advice ?just put NO?! I > wondered if it was a Catch 22 question, designed to trip you up. > > During the troubles in the Middle East/South Africa, I knew it > was possible for film crews to have a second passport, not > showing entrance stamps for certain countries that were out of > favour with others. > > Dunno if this is still possible, or necessary. > > Being descended from Irish ancestry, I believe I?m entitled to > apply for an Irish passport! > > Pat > > Sent fromMail > for Windows > > *From:*John Nottage via Tech1 > *Sent:*29 September 2021 21:29 > *To:*techtone > *Cc:*Tech Ops > *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] DVLA > > I renewed my passport not that long ago on line: very easy. I > seem to remember I uploaded a fresh d.i.y. photo, also easy. > As we had just left the EU, I got a nice new blue passport. > > John Nottage > > John Nottage > > Avast logo > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Sep 30 17:17:25 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 23:17:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Specs In-Reply-To: <87b04dd7-c73c-0399-de41-c1c6eb408f09@ntlworld.com> References: <6154d60a.1c69fb81.a6ddf.53dd@mx.google.com> <454EE904-8A36-4699-888F-FB88133243DF@btinternet.com> <61558312.1c69fb81.9ebff.d3d6@mx.google.com> <87b04dd7-c73c-0399-de41-c1c6eb408f09@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <02c56f5e-eee9-3cfb-56d1-0c800c4ca328@btinternet.com> One of my OB colleagues always bought his specs on line, ?25 for two pairs at the moment! The one thing you need, apart from the prescription, is what the prescription doesn't tell you! That is the interocular distance between your pupils! Make sure you find out what it is after your eye test and it will save you lots! My wife's last specs cost ?800! The optometrists where I usually go also moonlight at Specsavers! The difference is that Specsavers don't use Zeiss glass for the difficult lenses, like high magnification but needing thin lenses. Cheers, Dave On 30/09/2021 17:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > A few years ago I went to my usual optician and bought new glasses, > with varifocal and photochromic (though that was "free").?? It cost me > over ?400, so when I was setting up a trip to South East Asia I > worried about dropping them in the Mekong. > > I happened to be in the local Asda, which has its own optician, and > asked how much for their cheapest varifocals. > > "?45". > "Including the varifocal bit?" > "Yes" > > I haven't worn the expensive ones since. Not sure where they are now. > > B > > > > On 30/09/2021 10:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Well done for persevering, Mike. As I mentioned earlier, my new >> licence properly runs until the normal renewal date in 2024, three >> years? time. >> >> I don?t need a medical, but my last optometrist check in April >> revealed that after cataract surgery, I can read the smallest line on >> the card, which is two lines better than 20:20 - (officer!). >> >> My nice lady told me that not many people can achieve that. >> >> My new specs were expensive*, but the frame and lenses are so light >> that I forget I?m wearing them. >> >> *Bi-focal and photochromic puts up the cost. >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows >> >> *From: *M E GILES via Tech1 >> *Sent: *30 September 2021 09:58 >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] DVLA >> >> After turning 70 in 2016, I needed a medical every three years to >> retain my licence to drive a car and caravan combination at over 3.5 >> tonnes. The invitation to renew came quite early and advised >> immediate application to avoid the risk of delay in issuing the >> licence, so I made a doctor's appointment straight away and shelled >> out something like ?130 for the pleasure. My wife?s licence had >> expired slightly before mine and we had applied for that online, with >> the new licence arriving fairly smartly, running from the expiry date >> of the old licence. So?when my new licence arrived I was greatly >> surprised to see that it ran from the date of application and would >> therefore expire the best part of two months earlier than it should >> have done. I rang the DVLA to?complain and got through quite quickly, >> but the response was that it didn?t matter as they don?t charge for >> renewing licences. I pointed out that it did matter, because of the >> medical fee, which would come around more quickly than necessary, >> presumably losing a month or so each time. I said it was no good >> leaving things until the last minute, because it needed two or three >> weeks? notice to get a private appointment for the medical and I >> don?t like cutting these things too fine anyway. But that got me nowhere. >> >> So I asked to speak to a manager, but was given an e-mail address. To >> cut the long story short, after exchanging two or three e-mails, I >> was asked to return the newly issued licence and in three days a >> re-issued licence came in the post with the original anniversary date >> re-instated! When it came to renew at 73, I put a covering letter in >> with the postal application and the anniversary date was once again >> retained. So it does pay to complain and not to take no for an answer >> ~ but we have now sold our caravan and changed the car, so my victory >> was fairly short-lived! >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >> On 30 Sep 2021, at 08:41, Steve Edwards via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> Isn?t the DVLA?s inefficiency one of the reasons for the lorry >> driver shortage & the current fuel crisis? >> >> ??.. They now have a catastrophic backlog of nearly 50,000 new >> HGV licence applications ?- because of COVID, staff working from >> home coupled with the strike they had in July. >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> On 29 Sep 2021, at 22:10, patheigham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Yes, passport easy for me, too, on-line. I was impressed that >> on uploading a digital photo, it automatically resized and >> centred it! >> >> But mine was before Brexit, so still got a horrid burgundy one. >> >> (which could not be machine read at the Brussels Eurostar >> point, although no problem on the outward journey). >> >> I believe that DVLA used my passport photo and signature from >> that, or it might have been from my previous licence. >> >> Tony?s moan about the design of the application form is valid. >> >> My previous application asked something about eyesight ? are >> you suffering, or/have you_ever_/etc. As I had had two >> cataract ops, I was honest and answered ?yes?. This caused a >> constriction delay, so a phone call to a charming young lady >> explaining my dilemma resulted in her advice ?just put NO?! I >> wondered if it was a Catch 22 question, designed to trip you up. >> >> During the troubles in the Middle East/South Africa, I knew >> it was possible for film crews to have a second passport, not >> showing entrance stamps for certain countries that were out >> of favour with others. >> >> Dunno if this is still possible, or necessary. >> >> Being descended from Irish ancestry, I believe I?m entitled >> to apply for an Irish passport! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent fromMail >> for Windows >> >> *From:*John Nottage via Tech1 >> *Sent:*29 September 2021 21:29 >> *To:*techtone >> *Cc:*Tech Ops >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] DVLA >> >> I renewed my passport not that long ago on line: very easy. I >> seem to remember I uploaded a fresh d.i.y. photo, also easy. >> As we had just left the EU, I got a nice new blue passport. >> >> John Nottage >> >> John Nottage >> >> Avast logo >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: