From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  1 07:11:00 2021
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:11:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DVLA and passports
Message-ID: <crh3m31bga7o49osfkvvnp5t.1633090260749@email.android.com>

I too received the reminder asking me to?cut my old licence in half and return it. I decided to hang fire a bit and see what happened. 2-3 DAYS later I received my new licence. It really does seem a lottery how long it takes. I sent the cut old licence back, acknowledging receipt of the new one - this would seem a better way to do it.?Best wishes? .....? VernSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 30/09/2021  22:33  (GMT+00:00) To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] DVLA and passports 
    My driving licence expired on Oct. 1st. 2020 and was extended by
      11 months due to Covid ( the only good thing that it has ever
      done!) I received a reminder a couple of months ago and went
      through due process on the internet. I was then asked to cut my
      old one in half and send it back, which I did straight away. A few
      MONTHS later I received my new one!?
              
            
          
        
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  1 08:09:28 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 14:09:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
Message-ID: <597498bf65davesound@btinternet.com>

Couple of weeks ago, got a loud clicking noise just after leaving home in
the car. Turned out to be a largish metal object in a rear tyre. Looked to
be the triangular blade from a paint stripping tool. Couldn't drive like
that so pulled it out. To the sound of air escaping. No spare with this
car, so used the sealer gunge in the toolkit, and the toolkit compressor.
Which did work - tyre held pressure. Instructions said not to exceed 50
mph and get it fixed properly ASAP. So took it to KwikFit. They said a
tyre with gunge in it can't be fixed. Quoted a silly amount for a new
tyre. Never used sealer before, and Googling seemed to suggest it couldn't
be fixed afterwards too. Pity they didn't say that on the bottle.

Decided to go mail order for the best new tyre price. Never done this
before.

MyTyres had a decent price. They give a list of local tyre places that
will fit them, and website said 'in stock' and 'fast delivery'. So bought
them and paid by CC. To be delivered to Earlsfield Tyres, the one I picked
from their list as being closest.

After a couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort -
as they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told was
customs. So not in stock in the UK, and no clue as to when it would be
sorted.

So cancelled the order. Got notice of a refund.

Ordered up from the specialist who services the car. Bit more expensive
than mail order but much cheaper than KwikFit. 

Just had an email from MyTyres saying they were delivered yesterday to a
neighbour. At 0830 when I was in.

Thinking they had been delivered to Earlfield Tyres, I phoned them. Number
not recognised. I'll check later today if they are still in business.

How hard can it be to replace a pair of rear tyres?

-- 
          Dave                                      London UK
      


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Oct  1 08:19:24 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:19:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
In-Reply-To: <597498bf65davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <597498bf65davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <7d36dc46-6ab4-168e-9acb-79a6de48d5c1@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 01/10/2021 14:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> ....
> After a couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort -
> as they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told was
> customs.

MyTyres is a German company - Delticom AG, Hanover - so I'm afraid the 
shipping? and customs delay is Brexit;}

[Hurriedly grabs hard hat...]

Chris Woolf


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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct  1 08:43:10 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:43:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
In-Reply-To: <597498bf65davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <597498bf65davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <18690AC8-1216-461E-994E-D8232947B7A1@me.com>

I?ve used MyTyres a lot and have had good service from them every time.  The tyres always seemed to come from Belgium or somewhere on the continent, but I haven?t ordered any since Brexit, so don?t know where they come from now.

Their prices for leading brand winter tyres were about a quarter of the cost of buying unbranded ones locally. For normal tyres, I pay less than ?75 plus ?15 for fitting.  Small local garages charge around ?125 to supply and fit those same tyres, while the big name tyres places charge ?150 to ?175.

As we have two cars using identical tyres, I order extra tyres when I place an order and keep the unused ones in the garage.  If a tyre needs replacing, I take it to the local guy and he fits it without waiting to get one in specially. 

I?m very wary of this trend for new cars not having a spare tyre.  I can think of at least three occasions when I?ve had a puncture which the sealant wouldn?t have coped with.  I?m less troubled by the fact that the sealant effectively writes off the tyre.  It seems that few punctures turn out to be repairable anyway.  I prefer to carry a spare tyre ( even if it?s a space saver tyre ) and know that I can get moving again in fifteen minutes.

Alan Taylor

> On 1 Oct 2021, at 14:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Couple of weeks ago, got a loud clicking noise just after leaving home in
> the car. Turned out to be a largish metal object in a rear tyre. Looked to
> be the triangular blade from a paint stripping tool. Couldn't drive like
> that so pulled it out. To the sound of air escaping. No spare with this
> car, so used the sealer gunge in the toolkit, and the toolkit compressor.
> Which did work - tyre held pressure. Instructions said not to exceed 50
> mph and get it fixed properly ASAP. So took it to KwikFit. They said a
> tyre with gunge in it can't be fixed. Quoted a silly amount for a new
> tyre. Never used sealer before, and Googling seemed to suggest it couldn't
> be fixed afterwards too. Pity they didn't say that on the bottle.
> 
> Decided to go mail order for the best new tyre price. Never done this
> before.
> 
> MyTyres had a decent price. They give a list of local tyre places that
> will fit them, and website said 'in stock' and 'fast delivery'. So bought
> them and paid by CC. To be delivered to Earlsfield Tyres, the one I picked
> from their list as being closest.
> 
> After a couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort -
> as they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told was
> customs. So not in stock in the UK, and no clue as to when it would be
> sorted.
> 
> So cancelled the order. Got notice of a refund.
> 
> Ordered up from the specialist who services the car. Bit more expensive
> than mail order but much cheaper than KwikFit. 
> 
> Just had an email from MyTyres saying they were delivered yesterday to a
> neighbour. At 0830 when I was in.
> 
> Thinking they had been delivered to Earlfield Tyres, I phoned them. Number
> not recognised. I'll check later today if they are still in business.
> 
> How hard can it be to replace a pair of rear tyres?
> 
> -- 
>          Dave                                      London UK
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  1 09:19:15 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:19:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
In-Reply-To: <7d36dc46-6ab4-168e-9acb-79a6de48d5c1@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <597498bf65davesound@btinternet.com>
	<7d36dc46-6ab4-168e-9acb-79a6de48d5c1@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <615718E3.3030205@btinternet.com>

No need to grab your hard hat for me, Chris. I know it's the reason. But 
the site I bought from was in English and gave a UK address and said 'in 
stock' alongside the actual tyre.

I recently bought a TV from John Lewis, and they made it perfectly clear 
delivery would take a little longer, as they had no stock and it would 
be coming direct from the supplier. But still managed to deliver within 
the week.


On 01/10/2021 14:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> On 01/10/2021 14:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> ....
>> After a couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort -
>> as they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told was
>> customs.
>
> MyTyres is a German company - Delticom AG, Hanover - so I'm afraid the 
> shipping  and customs delay is Brexit;}
>
> [Hurriedly grabs hard hat...]
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>



From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  1 10:59:38 2021
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (Roger Bunce)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 16:59:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce
In-Reply-To: <009901d79d7b$b6f3fae0$24dbf0a0$@btopenworld.com>
References: <009901d79d7b$b6f3fae0$24dbf0a0$@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AC90278-CCA3-4DF4-81B6-98FF0F0EBF73@btinternet.com>

John, would you send a photo of that plate and send it to me please. 
Thank you
Send it to : 
rogerbunce at btinternet.com

Are you coming to the funeral. I suspect not as South East London seems to be a ?no go? area to those who live elsewhere!!!
You would be most welcome though & at my niece?s home afterwards:
3 Thornet Wood Rd,
Bickley 
Bromley
BR12LN
Pat 
Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Aug 2021, at 09:48, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Roger was not just a terrific wit, accomplished cartoonist, crazy animator, film encyclopaedia, first class cameraman but unafraid to speak up when he saw injustice.
 
I still have the cartoon of me and a birthday cake drawn over 30 years ago on the back of a BBC paper plate.
 
A really sad loss of a wonderful character.
 
Rest easy Roger.
 
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  1 11:05:45 2021
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 17:05:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
Message-ID: <6orslf9xx2mrbqp8nntmw9ai.1633104010210@email.android.com>

Always knew I was so lucky to have a brilliant tyre depot just half a mile away - family firm, dad (now retired), 2 daughters and son, in their 40s, all of whom do all the work; good old-fashioned service.?VSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 01/10/2021  14:09  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture... Couple of weeks ago, got a loud clicking noise just after leaving home inthe car. Turned out to be a largish metal object in a rear tyre. Looked tobe the triangular blade from a paint stripping tool. Couldn't drive likethat so pulled it out. To the sound of air escaping. No spare with thiscar, so used the sealer gunge in the toolkit, and the toolkit compressor.Which did work - tyre held pressure. Instructions said not to exceed 50mph and get it fixed properly ASAP. So took it to KwikFit. They said atyre with gunge in it can't be fixed. Quoted a silly amount for a newtyre. Never used sealer before, and Googling seemed to suggest it couldn'tbe fixed afterwards too. Pity they didn't say that on the bottle.Decided to go mail order for the best new tyre price. Never done thisbefore.MyTyres had a decent price. They give a list of local tyre places thatwill fit them, and website said 'in stock' and 'fast delivery'. So boughtthem and paid by CC. To be delivered to Earlsfield Tyres, the one I pickedfrom their list as being closest.After a couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort -as they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told wascustoms. So not in stock in the UK, and no clue as to when it would besorted.So cancelled the order. Got notice of a refund.Ordered up from the specialist who services the car. Bit more expensivethan mail order but much cheaper than KwikFit. Just had an email from MyTyres saying they were delivered yesterday to aneighbour. At 0830 when I was in.Thinking they had been delivered to Earlfield Tyres, I phoned them. Numbernot recognised. I'll check later today if they are still in business.How hard can it be to replace a pair of rear tyres?-- ????????? Dave????????????????????????????????????? London UK????? -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  1 11:21:29 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 17:21:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
In-Reply-To: <615718E3.3030205@btinternet.com>
References: <615718E3.3030205@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <461ACC50-273A-4642-B229-2103B0E936AB@btinternet.com>

I wouldn?t be surprised if being in the EU was one of the reasons why we lost UK  tyre manufacturing in the first place. 

As with most manufacture in the UK, it was cheaper for all the big names in tyre manufacturing to outsource to other countries. I can?t remember seeing ?Made in Gt Britain? on a new vehicle tyre in a very long time. (I think Dunlop are still be making only aircraft tyres here?) 

The same applies to lorry drivers - haulage firms could get away with paying cheaper wages to drivers from the EU countries which drive down UK driver?s wages. 

I?m not for the idea of throwing away all of our independence - whether it be coal, gas, manufacturing, the motor industry - there?s a very long list -  as it can easily turn around to bite us all when there?s even the slightest hiccup, as we?re starting to see. 

It?s a bit too late now!

Steve

> On 1 Oct 2021, at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?No need to grab your hard hat for me, Chris. I know it's the reason. But the site I bought from was in English and gave a UK address and said 'in stock' alongside the actual tyre.
> 
> I recently bought a TV from John Lewis, and they made it perfectly clear delivery would take a little longer, as they had no stock and it would be coming direct from the supplier. But still managed to deliver within the week.
> 
> 
>> On 01/10/2021 14:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>>> On 01/10/2021 14:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> ....
>>> After a couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort -
>>> as they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told was
>>> customs.
>> 
>> MyTyres is a German company - Delticom AG, Hanover - so I'm afraid the shipping  and customs delay is Brexit;}
>> 
>> [Hurriedly grabs hard hat...]
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Sat Oct  2 04:17:24 2021
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:17:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 45 years ago today!
Message-ID: <004501d7b76e$4fbc6030$ef352090$@soundsuper.co.uk>

On this day in 1976 Multi Coloured Swap Shop was first broadcast.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Coloured_Swap_Shop

 

https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1976-blue-peter-multi-coloured-sw
ap-shop/1721529564673851/

 

 

Fun times

 

Rob

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  2 04:51:06 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:51:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 45 years ago today!
In-Reply-To: <004501d7b76e$4fbc6030$ef352090$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <004501d7b76e$4fbc6030$ef352090$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DBBA6BA8-B75F-471F-A8DC-7AC7C0F6CA73@btinternet.com>

On this day in 1976 my standby home was cancelled and I did grams on Swap Shop in TC5 0555-1355! I hated early starts!
Barry.



On 2 Oct 2021, at 10:17, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> On this day in 1976 Multi Coloured Swap Shop was first broadcast.
>  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Coloured_Swap_Shop
>  
> https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1976-blue-peter-multi-coloured-swap-shop/1721529564673851/
>  
>  
> Fun times
>  
> Rob
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  2 07:14:36 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:14:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
In-Reply-To: <461ACC50-273A-4642-B229-2103B0E936AB@btinternet.com>
References: <615718E3.3030205@btinternet.com>
	<461ACC50-273A-4642-B229-2103B0E936AB@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5975178ed5davesound@btinternet.com>

Think it started quite some time ago. Many simply don't want to get their
hands dirty, so manufacturing isn't for them. Fairy nuff if the country
can survive on being a service economy - finance etc. 

But this means most of our good will be imported. Which made it an odd
decision to cut ourselves off from the largest trading block in the world.
Which also happens to be closest to us. With transport costs rising by the
minute. 


In article <461ACC50-273A-4642-B229-2103B0E936AB at btinternet.com>, Steve
Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
> I wouldn?t be surprised if being in the EU was one of the reasons why we
> lost UK  tyre manufacturing in the first place. 

> As with most manufacture in the UK, it was cheaper for all the big names
> in tyre manufacturing to outsource to other countries. I can?t remember
> seeing ?Made in Gt Britain? on a new vehicle tyre in a very long time.
> (I think Dunlop are still be making only aircraft tyres here?) 

> The same applies to lorry drivers - haulage firms could get away with
> paying cheaper wages to drivers from the EU countries which drive down
> UK driver?s wages. 

> I?m not for the idea of throwing away all of our independence - whether
> it be coal, gas, manufacturing, the motor industry - there?s a very long
> list -  as it can easily turn around to bite us all when there?s even
> the slightest hiccup, as we?re starting to see. 

> It?s a bit too late now!

> Steve

> > On 1 Oct 2021, at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > #No need to grab your hard hat for me, Chris. I know it's the reason.
> > But the site I bought from was in English and gave a UK address and
> > said 'in stock' alongside the actual tyre.
> > 
> > I recently bought a TV from John Lewis, and they made it perfectly
> > clear delivery would take a little longer, as they had no stock and it
> > would be coming direct from the supplier. But still managed to deliver
> > within the week.
> > 
> > 
> >> On 01/10/2021 14:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On 01/10/2021 14:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: .... After a
> >>> couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort - as
> >>> they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told was
> >>> customs.
> >> 
> >> MyTyres is a German company - Delticom AG, Hanover - so I'm afraid
> >> the shipping  and customs delay is Brexit;}
> >> 
> >> [Hurriedly grabs hard hat...]
> >> 
> >> Chris Woolf
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

-- 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct  2 07:25:55 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 13:25:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
In-Reply-To: <461ACC50-273A-4642-B229-2103B0E936AB@btinternet.com>
References: <615718E3.3030205@btinternet.com>
	<461ACC50-273A-4642-B229-2103B0E936AB@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <61584fd3.1c69fb81.9ebff.1e24@mx.google.com>

When my present vehicle was new, 12 years ago, it boasted a warning system of tyre pressure loss. (Think it works on rotation speed change, but doesn?t say which wheel!)
With barely 500 miles on the clock, I was explaining this to a lady I took for a spin, she chirped up with ?well, what happens??
At that very moment the warning sounded and on investigation, I had picked up a roofing bolt! No jack or spare, as car fitted with ?run-flat tyres, Dunlop Sport ? good for 150 miles at modest speed.
I had taken out a three-year tyre insurance, which proved fortunate. National Tyres were puzzled as when I quoted the wheel size, said it was wrong.
?07? was on the reg plate (my birthday) but it was an 09 car! Yes - I vainly went for a personalised number! Not very expensive.
A useful accessory is an AirHawk battery/12v tyre inflator, automatic cut-out at selected pressure. It?s first class.

A friend who worked for BP was posted to Japan. Out one day he suffered a flat tyre, and finding a nearby garage asked in English for a tyre pump. Foot pump, foot pump? Blank face from little Japanese man.
So on miming a foot pump, understanding broke over face - : Ah! ?footu pumpu? he exclaimed.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Steve Edwards via Tech1
Sent: 01 October 2021 17:21
To: Dave Plowman
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...

I wouldn?t be surprised if being in the EU was one of the reasons why we lost UK  tyre manufacturing in the first place. 

As with most manufacture in the UK, it was cheaper for all the big names in tyre manufacturing to outsource to other countries. I can?t remember seeing ?Made in Gt Britain? on a new vehicle tyre in a very long time. (I think Dunlop are still be making only aircraft tyres here?) 

It?s a bit too late now!

Steve




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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  2 10:12:04 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 16:12:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
Message-ID: <499D3C8F-F864-4C4D-8F8A-2D5562E2AA97@btinternet.com>

??..and of course I remember all those strikes we had which were once always everyday news. 

I?ve told this story previously: My nearby farmer friend gets paid a whack from the EU to do nothing with his land! - Last year he also had extra money for growing a large field of sunflowers & other floral ?weeds? and had an extra handout ?? from the EU for ?biodiversity?. 

Meanwhile, as my friend is paid by the EU to do nowt, large numbers of polluting lorries pass his farm on their way down to the ferries heading to EU countries where we are buying-in the same foods that he could easily grow here on his vacant fields!  Despite this, I was surprised when he told me that he voted to leave the EU. 

Sadly most of these lorries drive past my friend?s sunflower/weed field which is adjacent to a very busy main A road - moths, insects and other mammals emerge from this wild flower habitat then cross straight into the paths of fast moving vehicles on the busy road, only to meet their fate! (they probably can?t see that from Brussels)

?..My farmer friend wouldn?t need to be paid any handouts if he was to grow and sell food here in the UK - (OK he can?t grow Bananas) avoiding unnecessary ?food miles? involving large trucks driving backwards & forwards from other counties which could be reduced accordingly. Meanwhile we currently have a shortage of drivers and gaps on the supermarket shelves. ?it?s not a very satisfactory situation. 

Back to tyres : I personally never use Kwik-Fit for a number of reasons - I don?t know if Watchdog may have ever featured a better review than I could give. Out of the big nationals, National Tyres in my experience seem to have a reasonable trading policy & modus operandi  - of course other national & local tyre suppliers are available. 

Steve 






> On 2 Oct 2021, at 13:20, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Think it started quite some time ago. Many simply don't want to get their
> hands dirty, so manufacturing isn't for them. Fairy nuff if the country
> can survive on being a service economy - finance etc. 
> 
> But this means most of our good will be imported. Which made it an odd
> decision to cut ourselves off from the largest trading block in the world.
> Which also happens to be closest to us. With transport costs rising by the
> minute.



From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sat Oct  2 13:56:25 2021
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:56:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer'
In-Reply-To: <3qbxaekiucqwphskr1uql298.1613139378555@email.android.com>
References: <3qbxaekiucqwphskr1uql298.1613139378555@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <928a78db-b35b-87d4-267c-9707821dd4b5@howell61.f9.co.uk>

To enhance the illusion we used to clip a Sony personal mic onto Gordon 
the Gopher in 'Swap Shop'.

John H.



On 12/02/2021 14:16, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> Nice story about Ray Alan, Geoff. Another example: Ivan Owen and Basil 
> Brush. Although Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that 
> BB was always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just the 
> crew.
>
>
>
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> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Sat Oct  2 14:07:38 2021
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 20:07:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
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References: <461ACC50-273A-4642-B229-2103B0E936AB@btinternet.com>
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Talking of Country of Origin on tyres (Slightly off the original theme) but a good friend of mine was working on the London buses many years ago when an old lady boarded his bus one stop from the main bus station (but he had already changed the destination sign back to ?Acton? to save time when he finished his shift) and she asked if it was going to the station. 
Yes ma?am he replied. 
?But it says Acton on the front?
It says ?India? on the tyres but we?re not going there either he replied.
Sadly for him, she was the mother of the depot supervisor who made his life impossible after that!

Graham M

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 1 Oct 2021, at 17:21, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I wouldn?t be surprised if being in the EU was one of the reasons why we lost UK  tyre manufacturing in the first place. 
> 
> As with most manufacture in the UK, it was cheaper for all the big names in tyre manufacturing to outsource to other countries. I can?t remember seeing ?Made in Gt Britain? on a new vehicle tyre in a very long time. (I think Dunlop are still be making only aircraft tyres here?) 
> 
> The same applies to lorry drivers - haulage firms could get away with paying cheaper wages to drivers from the EU countries which drive down UK driver?s wages. 
> 
> I?m not for the idea of throwing away all of our independence - whether it be coal, gas, manufacturing, the motor industry - there?s a very long list -  as it can easily turn around to bite us all when there?s even the slightest hiccup, as we?re starting to see. 
> 
> It?s a bit too late now!
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2021, at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?No need to grab your hard hat for me, Chris. I know it's the reason. But the site I bought from was in English and gave a UK address and said 'in stock' alongside the actual tyre.
>> 
>> I recently bought a TV from John Lewis, and they made it perfectly clear delivery would take a little longer, as they had no stock and it would be coming direct from the supplier. But still managed to deliver within the week.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 01/10/2021 14:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 01/10/2021 14:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> ....
>>>> After a couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort -
>>>> as they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told was
>>>> customs.
>>> 
>>> MyTyres is a German company - Delticom AG, Hanover - so I'm afraid the shipping  and customs delay is Brexit;}
>>> 
>>> [Hurriedly grabs hard hat...]
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Oct  2 14:13:18 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 20:13:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer'
In-Reply-To: <928a78db-b35b-87d4-267c-9707821dd4b5@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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For the record, I didn?t receive Geoff?s message which gave rise to Vernon's and John H?s contributions and it wasn?t included in either of their messages, so is there any chance that Geoff?s original could be re-posted, either by your good self, Geoff, or anyone who received it.

I encountered Roland Rat on a couple of occasions  ~ couldn?t stand the rat and liked his handler even less! The guy's name escapes me, but I don?t recall putting a mic on the puppet.

Mike G


> On 2 Oct 2021, at 19:56, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> To enhance the illusion we used to clip a Sony personal mic onto Gordon the Gopher in 'Swap Shop'. 
> 
> John H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/02/2021 14:16, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> Nice story about Ray Alan, Geoff. Another example: Ivan Owen and Basil Brush. Although Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that BB was always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just the crew.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  2 15:07:29 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 21:07:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] It started with a puncture...
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??..a very funny tale Graham!

Given their high prices, modern tyres seem to have an ever decreasing shelf & service life, not to mention the relatively short lifespan of the ?eternally getting damaged by potholes & kerbs? low profile tyre trend of today?s modern vehicles. 

What have happened to the type of rubber they once used ?
I have original Dunlop crossply tyres over 50 years of age still fitted to classic vehicles with no signs of any perishing. (Laid-up & inside buildings) Also new old stock tyres safely stored here that look & smell like the day they were made. 

Just last week I bought a new wheelbarrow tyre by some name plastered over the sidewalks I couldn?t even read let alone pronounce   - made all the way over in China, (where else?) and it has a complimentary stench of creosote, (not rubber) which is enough to knock anyone out - even standing 10 foot away!  I?d like to know whatever they?re throwing into the cauldron ?
A few weeks of sunlight, UV degradation and few loads of bricks and voila - it?s a trip to the skip & time for another new tyre, all over again. 

I was recently quoted ?200 per tyre for a full set of Michelins to fit a Transit van with double rear wheels - ie I need 6 in total at ?200 each = ?1200
Of course these tyres are again made in the another country - (I can?t remember if it was EU or Far East)

I can?t help but think this is another example of what happens when we surrender manufacture and rely on other countries that will end up having us by the short & curlies - ultimately the cost gets more & more expensive to the point where it exceeds the cost of manufacturing back here in the UK ?..and without the need to transport goods thousands of miles. 

Steve


> On 2 Oct 2021, at 20:07, Graham Maunder <grahamthecameraman at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Talking of Country of Origin on tyres (Slightly off the original theme) but a good friend of mine was working on the London buses many years ago when an old lady boarded his bus one stop from the main bus station (but he had already changed the destination sign back to ?Acton? to save time when he finished his shift) and she asked if it was going to the station. 
> Yes ma?am he replied. 
> ?But it says Acton on the front?
> It says ?India? on the tyres but we?re not going there either he replied.
> Sadly for him, she was the mother of the depot supervisor who made his life impossible after that!
> 
> Graham M
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2021, at 17:21, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I wouldn?t be surprised if being in the EU was one of the reasons why we lost UK  tyre manufacturing in the first place. 
>> 
>> As with most manufacture in the UK, it was cheaper for all the big names in tyre manufacturing to outsource to other countries. I can?t remember seeing ?Made in Gt Britain? on a new vehicle tyre in a very long time. (I think Dunlop are still be making only aircraft tyres here?) 
>> 
>> The same applies to lorry drivers - haulage firms could get away with paying cheaper wages to drivers from the EU countries which drive down UK driver?s wages. 
>> 
>> I?m not for the idea of throwing away all of our independence - whether it be coal, gas, manufacturing, the motor industry - there?s a very long list -  as it can easily turn around to bite us all when there?s even the slightest hiccup, as we?re starting to see. 
>> 
>> It?s a bit too late now!
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>>> On 1 Oct 2021, at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?No need to grab your hard hat for me, Chris. I know it's the reason. But the site I bought from was in English and gave a UK address and said 'in stock' alongside the actual tyre.
>>> 
>>> I recently bought a TV from John Lewis, and they made it perfectly clear delivery would take a little longer, as they had no stock and it would be coming direct from the supplier. But still managed to deliver within the week.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 01/10/2021 14:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 01/10/2021 14:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> ....
>>>>> After a couple of days, checked their tracking. A problem of some sort -
>>>>> as they should have been on their way by then. Problem I was told was
>>>>> customs.
>>>> 
>>>> MyTyres is a German company - Delticom AG, Hanover - so I'm afraid the shipping  and customs delay is Brexit;}
>>>> 
>>>> [Hurriedly grabs hard hat...]
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  2 15:57:22 2021
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 21:57:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer'
Message-ID: <17gwus0kkou3x6wh0y6bw4rg.1633208242128@email.android.com>

Mike, if you go to the site (bottom of this page) you'll find 'archives'.? Hit 'Thread' then Feb 2021 and scroll down quite a long way - it's all there.?VSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: M E GILES via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 02/10/2021  20:13  (GMT+00:00) To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' For the record, I didn?t receive Geoff?s message which gave rise to Vernon's and John H?s contributions and it wasn?t included in either of their messages, so is there any chance that Geoff?s original could be re-posted, either by your good self, Geoff, or anyone who received it.I encountered Roland Rat on a couple of occasions ?~ couldn?t stand the rat and liked his handler even less! The guy's name escapes me, but I don?t recall putting a mic on the puppet.Mike GOn 2 Oct 2021, at 19:56, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
  
    
  
  To enhance the illusion we used to clip a Sony personal mic onto
      Gordon the Gopher in 'Swap Shop'. 
    John H.
    
    
    
    On 12/02/2021 14:16, vernon.dyer via
      Tech1 wrote:
    
    
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
        Sent from my
          Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
      
      
        Nice story about Ray Alan,
            Geoff. Another example: Ivan Owen and Basil Brush. Although
            Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that BB was
            always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just
            the crew.
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
        Sent from my
          Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
      
      
      
    
  

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From jccglass at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 16:18:51 2021
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 22:18:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer'
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Got voluteered to set up a hyped video meet the press (seveth floor tvc) for 
new act Roland Rat

whilst setting up commented its a great step up from his warnup gigs --
was imperiouly dismissed with WE DONT DO WARM UPS
but i knew beter!

Needly to say  i never work with it again-- happy days

Chris




From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 17:35:58 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 23:35:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer'
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The original story you refer to, Mike was one I posted at least a year ago, I should think but by chance reappeared at the foot of a recent message from John.
It told of how I was working in Pres A one day in the seventies (I guess), when Ray Alan came in to do an item with his dummy (if that?s the correct term, not puppet) Lord Charles. He was sitting in the gallery chatting to one of the PA?s about nothing in particular, with Lord Charles on his knee, during which Lord Charles was looking all round just like a person would who was new to the place. I commented that that was the sign of a true professional who never let the dummy go ?dead? while he was on show as I?ve seen amateurs do, as that completely destroys the illusion. I can?t remember if Lord Charles interrupted the conversation with a remark or question of his own but it would?ve been even more amusing if he had,

Geoff

> On 2 Oct 2021, at 20:13, M E GILES via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?For the record, I didn?t receive Geoff?s message which gave rise to Vernon's and John H?s contributions and it wasn?t included in either of their messages, so is there any chance that Geoff?s original could be re-posted, either by your good self, Geoff, or anyone who received it.
> 
> I encountered Roland Rat on a couple of occasions  ~ couldn?t stand the rat and liked his handler even less! The guy's name escapes me, but I don?t recall putting a mic on the puppet.
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 2 Oct 2021, at 19:56, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> To enhance the illusion we used to clip a Sony personal mic onto Gordon the Gopher in 'Swap Shop'. 
>> 
>> John H.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/02/2021 14:16, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>> Nice story about Ray Alan, Geoff. Another example: Ivan Owen and Basil Brush. Although Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that BB was always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just the crew.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Oct  2 18:12:38 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 00:12:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer'
Message-ID: <F11E5546-BD3F-4AB7-A207-BF1535CFBAAE@mac.com>

Thanks for that Geoff - the mechanism of threads is all a dark mystery to me! Now you see me, now you don?t, sort of thing.

Mike G



> On 3 Oct 2021, at 00:03, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> 


From simoncmorris at mac.com  Mon Oct  4 03:33:19 2021
From: simoncmorris at mac.com (simoncmorris at mac.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 08:33:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer'
In-Reply-To: <928a78db-b35b-87d4-267c-9707821dd4b5@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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Slightly off topic, but at GMtv I used to name super animals when they appeared on the sofa .... But no mics!

Cheers

Simon



Samsung EE iCloud
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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> on behalf of John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 7:56:25 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer'


To enhance the illusion we used to clip a Sony personal mic onto Gordon the Gopher in 'Swap Shop'.

John H.



On 12/02/2021 14:16, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
Nice story about Ray Alan, Geoff. Another example: Ivan Owen and Basil Brush. Although Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that BB was always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just the crew.




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From sue.malden at outlook.com  Mon Oct  4 12:49:53 2021
From: sue.malden at outlook.com (Sue Malden)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:49:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
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Hi Bernie
Just to let you know I have written this for the BBC Pensioners Association Xmas news letter

Cheers Sue


The first BBC Television Camera woman - Was it  Bimbi Harris?

Bernie Newham posted this on the Techops-History website www. http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page2.html in Nov 2013:"In BBC tech-ops it's always been thought that the BBC's first studio camerawoman was Barbara Franc, in 1974.  After many years, it turns out that this was wrong. Barbara (Bimbi) Harris, who died in 2013 aged 95, was actually the first, as proven by this article, probably from around 1946 .

[bimbi1]<http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2013/11/bimbi-harris-1966-health-and-safety-and-a-1978-wis/bimbi1/>

[bimbi2]<http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2013/11/bimbi-harris-1966-health-and-safety-and-a-1978-wis/bimbi2/>

 Something for us to celebrate as the BBC's centenary year draws near . Coincidentally the Bimbi Harris interview in the British Entertainment History Project collection is number 100! She is interviewed by John Hamilton and Roy Fowler.

Bimbi (Barbara ) Harris started her career at the BBC in 1939 as a Radio trainee recording engineer, at a time when major industries were recruiting women in large numbers to fill vacancies caused by the war. In 1946, when television production recommenced, she applied to the Alexandra Palace studios and was hired as a vision mixer. She faced some resentment from peers, particularly returning servicemen, but she nonetheless applied for every opportunity to improve her skills.

She trained on the early camera systems Baird, Emitron and later Marconi, and is credited as the first woman to operate a television camera on live television, working alongside directors and producers like George More O'Ferrall and Rudolph Cartier.

This from Bimbi's BEHP interview "Television started in 1946 and I with a lot of the others, Ir applied to go over. We were accepted and of course we went over before the studios opened. In those years we had two studios, A and B. One was Marconi and the other was Baird. We did a week in each studio. So, we used to have to learn both systems of course. And I did all the jobs. I used to be on sound, on the floor.
I was the first to operate a camera that's right, then it was upside down and back to front. They were a very short of cameramen in those days.  I was a long time just clearing cables and tracking before I was ever allowed to get to a camera. That was your job, clearing cables, particularly when you used to go out to do the gardening show and of course it was my job to get the cables out there, miles of cables." She goes on to talk about vision mixing, lining up the Emitron cameras and technical breakdowns in the early days of television - as well as life at Ally Pally, sexism, class distinction; then the early days of Lime Grove and Riverside studios; the coming of commercial television and migration of BBC workers to ITV and finally her time at Rediffusion.
I am grateful to Emma Sandon Senior Lecturer in Film and Television, Birkbeck College ,for extracts from this recorded conversation with women who had worked at AP in the very early days from Feminist Media Histories<https://online.ucpress.edu/fmh> (2018) 4 (4): 8-32:

"We come to learn that two of them, Gladys Davies  and Muriel Powell , answered advertisements, and the other two, Bimbi (Barbara) Harris  and Mary Ticehurst , heard by word of mouth that women were being recruited as engineers. However, while they had received training in radio, when they joined the Television Service they received very little. This becomes clear when the subject of how they were treated by their male colleagues upon their arrival at Alexandra Palace . Bimbi: Telecine! Nobody taught me anything, so when I first picked it up it went backwards and frontways and sideways and inside out and you just had to learn by yourself [from] your own mistakes.

The women were told that they could not learn skills such as camera and sound, since they were not as strong as men. The next issue they turn to is men refusing to be supervised by women. Bimbi: After two years I used to say, "I know that job, what else can I do now?" And the only job I was denied was a lighting director. They said, "Oh, you can't have that because you've got to delegate jobs to men and you can't be in charge of men, can you?" Bimbi: I was very definitely sent to Coventry when I was on cameras. ...........

The women's experiences varied depending what shift they were on and/or the men they crewed with. It was often the older men who were resistant to women entering into work they regarded as a male preserve. Bimbi: We did sewing in our spare time! [chuckles] ........
However,  Simon  Vaughan, Alexandra Palace Television Society and Archivist  has come to the debate  talking about Molly Brownless, "....I've been corresponding with Molly's daughter,- Molly has a great recall of her days working at AP.  After emigrating to Australia in 1951 she was a pioneer with Australian television when it was established and went on to have an important career within the industry".

Molly's reminiscences sort of support the Bimbi story (though she was with the BBC earlier than 1946). Here are Molly's memories of being at Alexandra Palace (from an interview recorded by Dr Jeannine Baker,  Macquarie University (Sydney)) Baker is also working on a book about women and technology in television covering the UK and Australia.
"Before we actually reopened Alexandra Palace, in June 1946, there were seven girls on each shift, all the time I was there, there were just two shifts and we worked alternate days and even when one arranged a shift-swap, one didn't see the person one swapped with....
I started on cameras right from the first day........ when we put out a programme .....the day before the Victory Parade, which was a Friday, and it was the afternoon session in Studio B. I was on Camera 3 .The 'iron man' was not really moveable except when your camera was not 'on air'. You could move the camera around obviously, but it was fairly heavy to move whilst you were actually on air. You could push it with one foot as long as you kept your balance with the other one. But the distance was only a matter of how far your legs would stretch and still keep your balance and keep control. Bimbi also talks in her BEHP interview about how difficult it was to move the 'iron man'.
Molly :"I was on that 'iron man' the day the service reopened. I didn't realise that I was actually going to do the transmission. .............I thought that all these chaps that were dashing around being very, very, important were going to take over the camera and do it on the transmission and I was absolutely vapped when I found that I was doing it! Now it was after Bimbi Harris came and I'd being doing camerawork for quite some time, and she wanted to do that - I'm not surprised, I thoroughly enjoyed it and didn't see why she wouldn't want too!
One day a reporter came from a television magazine and found out about there being a "cameraman" who was female or maybe he found out about two, I'm not quite sure. Henry Whiting told me that they wanted to do a publicity picture of me on a camera and I was rather tickled at the idea, as you can imagine. I was actually in Studio A the day the reporter arrived - working on a show. At the end of the programme, I tried to find this photographer only to discover that Bimbi had already been photographed on Camera 2, which was the Crab! I can understand why he would have taken her because she would certainly have taken a better picture than I would have done. But, because she was photographed on a tracking camera and because she wasn't the first female operator, the blokes were a bit peeved. Bimbi hadn't been at the Palace very long and I had been there for a few years at that point, they didn't think she should have appeared on the tracking camera which, of course, is not one she would have operated, and they thought it should have been me.
Now the next thing that happened which was why I and Bimbi came off cameras was due to the fact that the camera men wanted to get themselves a higher grade and they were trying to upgrade their pay in relation to the other operators around - it was a very specialised job! All the cameramen, as far as I know, including me, belonged to the Association of Senior Technicians, and they were expecting this Association to back their claim. The Association didn't like me being one of the camera crew because if I could do it then, obviously, it wasn't such a very skilled job after all. ......
Bertie Baker, stated quite categorically that no female, even if they passed the exam, would be given a C Grade job, so we could pass the exam if we wanted too but we would still be B Grade. I was downright sick about the whole thing............ I don't know who told Bimbi, it might have been Henry - but, like me, she just wasn't rostered on cameras again.
So, it would appear the first female television camera operator was Molly Brownless - she was at AP on re-opening day in June 1946 and was on her camera during the afternoon transmission.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct  4 15:15:19 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:15:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pricing scams
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There as been a lack of new topics , so here?s one:
Pricing Scams
How many times have you seen something priced at ?xx.99?
The poor punters only clock the digits in front of the decimal point (oh, it?s only xx pounds) missing that they are actually paying nearly a full pound more!

There are ads for a model Eddie Stobart truck, to be constructed by a regular magazine purchase.

The first issue is ?1.99 ? to suck you in, but it?s normally ?9.99,
Says it?s completed in 140 issues.
Do the math ? 139 x ?9.99 = ?1388.61
Add in the first ?1.99 = ?1390.60 !

What have I missed?

And who is to say that the issues will continue for the whole series?
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Oct  4 15:17:41 2021
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:17:41 +0100
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That?s been going round since the days it was ?x/19s/11d
? 
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> On 4 Oct 2021, at 21:15, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> There as been a lack of new topics , so here?s one:
> Pricing Scams
> How many times have you seen something priced at ?xx.99?
> The poor punters only clock the digits in front of the decimal point (oh, it?s only xx pounds) missing that they are actually paying nearly a full pound more!
>  
> There are ads for a model Eddie Stobart truck, to be constructed by a regular magazine purchase.
>  
> The first issue is ?1.99 ? to suck you in, but it?s normally ?9.99,
> Says it?s completed in 140 issues.
> Do the math ? 139 x ?9.99 = ?1388.61
> Add in the first ?1.99 = ?1390.60 !
>  
> What have I missed?
>  
> And who is to say that the issues will continue for the whole series?
> Pat
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 20:21:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] FW: Bimbi Harris article
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Hi Emma, Simon and Jeannine
Just to let you know I have written this for the BBC Pensioners Association Xmas news letter

Cheers Sue


The first BBC Television Camera woman - Was it  Bimbi Harris?

Bernie Newham posted this on the Techops-History website www. http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page2.html in Nov 2013:"In BBC tech-ops it's always been thought that the BBC's first studio camerawoman was Barbara Franc, in 1974.  After many years, it turns out that this was wrong. Barbara (Bimbi) Harris, who died in 2013 aged 95, was actually the first, as proven by this article, probably from around 1946 .

[bimbi1]<http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2013/11/bimbi-harris-1966-health-and-safety-and-a-1978-wis/bimbi1/>

[bimbi2]<http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2013/11/bimbi-harris-1966-health-and-safety-and-a-1978-wis/bimbi2/>

 Something for us to celebrate as the BBC's centenary year draws near . Coincidentally the Bimbi Harris interview in the British Entertainment History Project collection is number 100! She is interviewed by John Hamilton and Roy Fowler.

Bimbi (Barbara ) Harris started her career at the BBC in 1939 as a Radio trainee recording engineer, at a time when major industries were recruiting women in large numbers to fill vacancies caused by the war. In 1946, when television production recommenced, she applied to the Alexandra Palace studios and was hired as a vision mixer. She faced some resentment from peers, particularly returning servicemen, but she nonetheless applied for every opportunity to improve her skills.

She trained on the early camera systems Baird, Emitron and later Marconi, and is credited as the first woman to operate a television camera on live television, working alongside directors and producers like George More O'Ferrall and Rudolph Cartier.

This from Bimbi's BEHP interview "Television started in 1946 and I with a lot of the others, Ir applied to go over. We were accepted and of course we went over before the studios opened. In those years we had two studios, A and B. One was Marconi and the other was Baird. We did a week in each studio. So, we used to have to learn both systems of course. And I did all the jobs. I used to be on sound, on the floor.
I was the first to operate a camera that's right, then it was upside down and back to front. They were a very short of cameramen in those days.  I was a long time just clearing cables and tracking before I was ever allowed to get to a camera. That was your job, clearing cables, particularly when you used to go out to do the gardening show and of course it was my job to get the cables out there, miles of cables." She goes on to talk about vision mixing, lining up the Emitron cameras and technical breakdowns in the early days of television - as well as life at Ally Pally, sexism, class distinction; then the early days of Lime Grove and Riverside studios; the coming of commercial television and migration of BBC workers to ITV and finally her time at Rediffusion.
I am grateful to Emma Sandon Senior Lecturer in Film and Television, Birkbeck College ,for extracts from this recorded conversation with women who had worked at AP in the very early days from Feminist Media Histories<https://online.ucpress.edu/fmh> (2018) 4 (4): 8-32:

"We come to learn that two of them, Gladys Davies  and Muriel Powell , answered advertisements, and the other two, Bimbi (Barbara) Harris  and Mary Ticehurst , heard by word of mouth that women were being recruited as engineers. However, while they had received training in radio, when they joined the Television Service they received very little. This becomes clear when the subject of how they were treated by their male colleagues upon their arrival at Alexandra Palace . Bimbi: Telecine! Nobody taught me anything, so when I first picked it up it went backwards and frontways and sideways and inside out and you just had to learn by yourself [from] your own mistakes.

The women were told that they could not learn skills such as camera and sound, since they were not as strong as men. The next issue they turn to is men refusing to be supervised by women. Bimbi: After two years I used to say, "I know that job, what else can I do now?" And the only job I was denied was a lighting director. They said, "Oh, you can't have that because you've got to delegate jobs to men and you can't be in charge of men, can you?" Bimbi: I was very definitely sent to Coventry when I was on cameras. ...........

The women's experiences varied depending what shift they were on and/or the men they crewed with. It was often the older men who were resistant to women entering into work they regarded as a male preserve. Bimbi: We did sewing in our spare time! [chuckles] ........
However,  Simon  Vaughan, Alexandra Palace Television Society and Archivist  has come to the debate  talking about Molly Brownless, "....I've been corresponding with Molly's daughter,- Molly has a great recall of her days working at AP.  After emigrating to Australia in 1951 she was a pioneer with Australian television when it was established and went on to have an important career within the industry".

Molly's reminiscences sort of support the Bimbi story (though she was with the BBC earlier than 1946). Here are Molly's memories of being at Alexandra Palace (from an interview recorded by Dr Jeannine Baker,  Macquarie University (Sydney)) Baker is also working on a book about women and technology in television covering the UK and Australia.
"Before we actually reopened Alexandra Palace, in June 1946, there were seven girls on each shift, all the time I was there, there were just two shifts and we worked alternate days and even when one arranged a shift-swap, one didn't see the person one swapped with....
I started on cameras right from the first day........ when we put out a programme .....the day before the Victory Parade, which was a Friday, and it was the afternoon session in Studio B. I was on Camera 3 .The 'iron man' was not really moveable except when your camera was not 'on air'. You could move the camera around obviously, but it was fairly heavy to move whilst you were actually on air. You could push it with one foot as long as you kept your balance with the other one. But the distance was only a matter of how far your legs would stretch and still keep your balance and keep control. Bimbi also talks in her BEHP interview about how difficult it was to move the 'iron man'.
Molly :"I was on that 'iron man' the day the service reopened. I didn't realise that I was actually going to do the transmission. .............I thought that all these chaps that were dashing around being very, very, important were going to take over the camera and do it on the transmission and I was absolutely vapped when I found that I was doing it! Now it was after Bimbi Harris came and I'd being doing camerawork for quite some time, and she wanted to do that - I'm not surprised, I thoroughly enjoyed it and didn't see why she wouldn't want too!
One day a reporter came from a television magazine and found out about there being a "cameraman" who was female or maybe he found out about two, I'm not quite sure. Henry Whiting told me that they wanted to do a publicity picture of me on a camera and I was rather tickled at the idea, as you can imagine. I was actually in Studio A the day the reporter arrived - working on a show. At the end of the programme, I tried to find this photographer only to discover that Bimbi had already been photographed on Camera 2, which was the Crab! I can understand why he would have taken her because she would certainly have taken a better picture than I would have done. But, because she was photographed on a tracking camera and because she wasn't the first female operator, the blokes were a bit peeved. Bimbi hadn't been at the Palace very long and I had been there for a few years at that point, they didn't think she should have appeared on the tracking camera which, of course, is not one she would have operated, and they thought it should have been me.
Now the next thing that happened which was why I and Bimbi came off cameras was due to the fact that the camera men wanted to get themselves a higher grade and they were trying to upgrade their pay in relation to the other operators around - it was a very specialised job! All the cameramen, as far as I know, including me, belonged to the Association of Senior Technicians, and they were expecting this Association to back their claim. The Association didn't like me being one of the camera crew because if I could do it then, obviously, it wasn't such a very skilled job after all. ......
Bertie Baker, stated quite categorically that no female, even if they passed the exam, would be given a C Grade job, so we could pass the exam if we wanted too but we would still be B Grade. I was downright sick about the whole thing............ I don't know who told Bimbi, it might have been Henry - but, like me, she just wasn't rostered on cameras again.
So, it would appear the first female television camera operator was Molly Brownless - she was at AP on re-opening day in June 1946 and was on her camera during the afternoon transmission.

Sue Malden, Secretary BEHP www.historyproject.org.uk<http://www.historyproject.org.uk>



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct  4 15:26:10 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:26:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
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Lovely article, Sue ? thank you.
Pleased at the mention of Gladys Davies. She was the regular Vision Mixer on the Black & White Minstrels in the early 60?s at the TVT. Not sure if VM?s were permanently attached to a camera crew.
Pat Heigham (ex Crew 3!)

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From: Sue Malden via Tech1
Sent: 04 October 2021 18:50
To: Bernard Newnham; Bernard Newnham
Subject: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

Hi Bernie
Just to let you know I have written this for the BBC Pensioners Association Xmas news letter

Cheers Sue

The first BBC Television Camera woman ? Was it? Bimbi Harris
I am grateful to Emma Sandon Senior Lecturer in Film and Television, Birkbeck College ,for extracts from this recorded conversation with women who had worked at AP in the very early days from Feminist Media Histories?(2018) 4 (4): 8?32:
?We come to learn that two of them, Gladys Davies? and Muriel Powell , answered advertisements, 



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct  4 15:46:21 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:46:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pricing scams
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Very true, Graeme ? I missed a trick ? I should have quoted my daily rate as ?xxx.99 ! Damn!

The Model Stobart leads on to the Motion:
?This House believes that toys should never be given to children ? they are for adults to nurture, care for and sell at auction, years later!? (there?s a Leyland Octopus lorry offered on e-Bay at ?3,000!)

Dinky toys had removable tyres, which invariably got lost or eaten, so Hornby marketed a box of spare tyres!
Pat


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From: Graeme Wall
Sent: 04 October 2021 21:17
To: patheigham
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pricing scams

That?s been going round since the days it was ?x/19s/11d
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 4 Oct 2021, at 21:15, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> There as been a lack of new topics , so here?s one:
> Pricing Scams
> How many times have you seen something priced at ?xx.99?
> The poor punters only clock the digits in front of the decimal point (oh, it?s only xx pounds) missing that they are actually paying nearly a full pound more!
>  
> There are ads for a model Eddie Stobart truck, to be constructed by a regular magazine purchase.
>  
> The first issue is ?1.99 ? to suck you in, but it?s normally ?9.99,
> Says it?s completed in 140 issues.
> Do the math ? 139 x ?9.99 = ?1388.61
> Add in the first ?1.99 = ?1390.60 !
>  
> What have I missed?
>  
> And who is to say that the issues will continue for the whole series?
> Pat



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From sue.malden at outlook.com  Mon Oct  4 15:58:41 2021
From: sue.malden at outlook.com (Sue Malden)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 20:58:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
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Thanks Pat

Cheers Sue

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Sent: 04 October 2021 21:26
To: Sue Malden <sue.malden at outlook.com>; Bernard Newnham <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

Lovely article, Sue - thank you.
Pleased at the mention of Gladys Davies. She was the regular Vision Mixer on the Black & White Minstrels in the early 60's at the TVT. Not sure if VM's were permanently attached to a camera crew.
Pat Heigham (ex Crew 3!)

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Hi Bernie
Just to let you know I have written this for the BBC Pensioners Association Xmas news letter

Cheers Sue


The first BBC Television Camera woman - Was it  Bimbi Harris
I am grateful to Emma Sandon Senior Lecturer in Film and Television, Birkbeck College ,for extracts from this recorded conversation with women who had worked at AP in the very early days from Feminist Media Histories<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fonline.ucpress.edu%2Ffmh&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecfc55bc32864d11440b08d987753448%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637689759718976558%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=JggegX5Ute1l%2F7An6EH3MXZbEVc0AcnyFBW5xduQY8o%3D&reserved=0> (2018) 4 (4): 8-32:

"We come to learn that two of them, Gladys Davies  and Muriel Powell , answered advertisements,


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Oct  4 16:23:18 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 22:23:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pricing scams
In-Reply-To: <7BD0D55C-91DD-4B11-B727-8976DA775B09@icloud.com>
References: <7BD0D55C-91DD-4B11-B727-8976DA775B09@icloud.com>
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Here's another new topic - 

On C4 last night, (Sunday), there was a fascinating doc about the restoration of the clock in the Elizabeth Tower, commonly called 'Big Ben'.

It was introduced and voiced by Anna Keay, of the Landmark Trust - she talks normally,  in easily understood language, with technical terms used only when necessary, and explained.  It was an old fashioned, proper doc and all the better for it.

It was followed immediately by Part 2 of a series called 'Lost Treasure Tombs of the Ancient Maya', a doc in the modern style - endless repeats, a 'sting' at shot changes and incessant use of 3D imaginations of places like Tikal.  A 30 minute show stretched to 1 hour what with adverts and repeat sequences. Thoroughly unsatisfying all round.

How do production people now think this is the way to make documentaries? Or is it just me?  And how and why are they commissioned?

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 4 Oct 2021, at 21:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?That?s been going round since the days it was ?x/19s/11d
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 21:15, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> There as been a lack of new topics , so here?s one:
>> Pricing Scams
>> How many times have you seen something priced at ?xx.99?
>> The poor punters only clock the digits in front of the decimal point (oh, it?s only xx pounds) missing that they are actually paying nearly a full pound more!
>> 
>> There are ads for a model Eddie Stobart truck, to be constructed by a regular magazine purchase.
>> 
>> The first issue is ?1.99 ? to suck you in, but it?s normally ?9.99,
>> Says it?s completed in 140 issues.
>> Do the math ? 139 x ?9.99 = ?1388.61
>> Add in the first ?1.99 = ?1390.60 !
>> 
>> What have I missed?
>> 
>> And who is to say that the issues will continue for the whole series?
>> Pat
>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 02:21:46 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 08:21:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pricing scams
In-Reply-To: <615b60d7.1c69fb81.fb276.aaac@mx.google.com>
References: <615b60d7.1c69fb81.fb276.aaac@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyF2JX7UR4YyvHGHn5yYtEoBEykgMBJjjLHM=K=-7U1zSw@mail.gmail.com>

You can buy my 1/12 scale EMI 2001 and Vinten ped kit for only ?20

B

On Mon, 4 Oct 2021, 21:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> There as been a lack of new topics , so here?s one:
>
> *Pricing Scams*
>
> How many times have you seen something priced at ?xx.99?
>
> The poor punters only clock the digits in front of the decimal point (oh,
> it?s only xx pounds) missing that they are actually paying nearly a full
> pound more!
>
>
>
> There are ads for a model Eddie Stobart truck, to be constructed by a
> regular magazine purchase.
>
>
>
> The first issue is ?1.99 ? to suck you in, but it?s normally ?9.99,
>
> Says it?s completed in 140 issues.
>
> Do the math ? 139 x ?9.99 = ?1388.61
>
> Add in the first ?1.99 = ?1390.60 !
>
>
>
> What have I missed?
>
>
>
> And who is to say that the issues will continue for the whole series?
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct  5 06:34:09 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 12:34:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pricing scams
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyF2JX7UR4YyvHGHn5yYtEoBEykgMBJjjLHM=K=-7U1zSw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAA7MLyF2JX7UR4YyvHGHn5yYtEoBEykgMBJjjLHM=K=-7U1zSw@mail.gmail.com>
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?19.99 surely, Bernie!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Bernard Newnham
Sent: 05 October 2021 08:21
To: patheigham
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pricing scams

You can buy my 1/12 scale EMI 2001 and Vinten ped kit for only ?20

B

On Mon, 4 Oct 2021, 21:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
There as been a lack of new topics , so here?s one:
Pricing Scams
How many times have you seen something priced at ?xx.99?
The poor punters only clock the digits in front of the decimal point (oh, it?s only xx pounds) missing that they are actually paying nearly a full pound more!
?



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct  5 06:48:07 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 12:48:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR10MB22717864957E1DABFD8AD6839EAE9@VI1PR10MB2271.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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More about Gladys Davies. Being Welsh, she was very supportive of the Welsh Woollen Industry, particularly in respect of the Welsh community in Patagonia - South America.
She organised a charity fashion show, staged in the ballroom of the Hilton, Park Lane, and managed to get several of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels to model the clothes. (I think they were allowed to keep them). I was brought in to provide some music for this ? & the cabaret was the guitarist Wout Steenhuis and Leslie Crowther.
Wout and I had a great chat, as he was using the same Revox tape decks as I was. He was multitracking his own playing.

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Sue Malden
Sent: 04 October 2021 21:58
To: patheigham; Bernard Newnham
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

Thanks Pat

Cheers Sue

From: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> 
Sent: 04 October 2021 21:26
To: Sue Malden <sue.malden at outlook.com>; Bernard Newnham <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

Lovely article, Sue ? thank you.
Pleased at the mention of Gladys Davies. She was the regular Vision Mixer on the Black & White Minstrels in the early 60?s at the TVT. Not sure if VM?s were permanently attached to a camera crew.
Pat Heigham (ex Crew 3!)

Sent from Mail for Windows


The first BBC Television Camera woman ? Was it? Bimbi Harris
I am grateful to Emma Sandon Senior Lecturer in Film and Television, Birkbeck College ,for extracts from this recorded conversation with women who had worked at AP in the very early days from Feminist Media Histories?(2018) 4 (4): 8?32:
?We come to learn that two of them, Gladys Davies? and Muriel Powell , answered advertisements, 




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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 06:58:18 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 12:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pricing scams
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Sold! Give me your address!

B

On Tue, 5 Oct 2021, 12:34 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> ?19.99 surely, Bernie!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
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>
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *05 October 2021 08:21
> *To: *patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Pricing scams
>
>
>
> You can buy my 1/12 scale EMI 2001 and Vinten ped kit for only ?20
>
>
>
> B
>
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021, 21:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> There as been a lack of new topics , so here?s one:
>
> *Pricing Scams*
>
> How many times have you seen something priced at ?xx.99?
>
> The poor punters only clock the digits in front of the decimal point (oh,
> it?s only xx pounds) missing that they are actually paying nearly a full
> pound more!
>
>
>
>
>
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  5 07:02:02 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 13:02:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another question
Message-ID: <B8B1DD95-4999-4ACE-A272-8DE202CA85BB@btinternet.com>

A similar question applies to the new series of Blankety Blank. 

I watched Bradley Walsh and the ?celebrity? guests - most names I?d never heard of previously and who I?ll never remember - attempting to rekindle the old show in a very similar format but the entertainment value was near zero and I found nothing was funny enough to make me laugh. 

My patience ran out and I gave up watching before turning it off and  I vowed to never watch it again. 

Wondering if it was just me, I decided to compare this new show by immediately after switching over to YouTube to view an original recording of Blankety Blank from 1981 hosted by Terry Wogan.

As I remembered, it was cheap, simple telly with naff prizes but I recalled that was part of its fun & appeal - 40 years on I found it was funny and reminded me how Wogan was a great presenter & entertainer. Despite it being what I would consider as ?cheap? telly, it did its job - it entertained and made us laugh!  Simple. 

In contrast to the new Blankety Blank, I never felt any urge to switch off the old recording - even when I have better things to do!

I wonder how long the new show will last?

Steve






> On 4 Oct 2021, at 22:23, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Here's another new topic - 
> 
> On C4 last night, (Sunday), there was a fascinating doc about the restoration of the clock in the Elizabeth Tower, commonly called 'Big Ben'.
> 
> It was introduced and voiced by Anna Keay, of the Landmark Trust - she talks normally,  in easily understood language, with technical terms used only when necessary, and explained.  It was an old fashioned, proper doc and all the better for it.
> 
> It was followed immediately by Part 2 of a series called 'Lost Treasure Tombs of the Ancient Maya', a doc in the modern style - endless repeats, a 'sting' at shot changes and incessant use of 3D imaginations of places like Tikal.  A 30 minute show stretched to 1 hour what with adverts and repeat sequences. Thoroughly unsatisfying all round.
> 
> How do production people now think this is the way to make documentaries? Or is it just me?  And how and why are they commissioned?
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.




From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 08:45:04 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 14:45:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another question
In-Reply-To: <B8B1DD95-4999-4ACE-A272-8DE202CA85BB@btinternet.com>
References: <B8B1DD95-4999-4ACE-A272-8DE202CA85BB@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJmbM=1B7D4owPxSsDb_aTgd50V-OeMS+SJLgRj3jZZkog@mail.gmail.com>

Alasdair Lawrence and Steve Edwards commented on the poor quality of some
recent TV programmes. Here are some more examples.


London Live (Freeview 8) has been showing London Districts ? a series of
very short programmes about the capital. On one, I noticed road traffic all
moving backwards, then forwards. I assumed that was an error. When I saw it
again on another programme in the series, I assumed it was a very cheap way
of helping to fill the time slot (only about 10 minutes for the programme).
Occasionally, even people are seen walking backwards. Whatever the reason,
it is most disturbing to see this technique (if that's the right word) in a
simple programme about the capital. Or is this just a recent trendy idea,
thought to be a great way of grabbing viewers' attention? Does anyone know?


Currently, that series seems to have been replaced by another series of
shorts called Secrets of London (I refuse to use the whole title as that
includes the presenter's name ? presumably so he can be called a celebrity
in the future). Today's edition at 12:45 was about a "famous" singing
cabbie. I don't know whether or not he is famous but, if that claim is
genuine, then what is he doing in a programme allegedly about secrets? But
the worst thing about this series is that the sound quality is, at times,
so bad. The first time I encountered it, I was forgiving of a new
presenter/director/producer learning the ropes. But the lesson has not been
learnt, and why London Live is prepared to accept such material is a
mystery to me. Perhaps they just say to people who wish to contribute "We
don't pay much, so we are willing to accept poor quality material ? don't
bother trying to correct it." Does anyone know the answer? I have attached
a short (compressed) clip to this email.

KW

On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 13:02, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> A similar question applies to the new series of Blankety Blank.
>
> I watched Bradley Walsh and the ?celebrity? guests - most names I?d never
> heard of previously and who I?ll never remember - attempting to rekindle
> the old show in a very similar format but the entertainment value was near
> zero and I found nothing was funny enough to make me laugh.
>
> My patience ran out and I gave up watching before turning it off and  I
> vowed to never watch it again.
>
> Wondering if it was just me, I decided to compare this new show by
> immediately after switching over to YouTube to view an original recording
> of Blankety Blank from 1981 hosted by Terry Wogan.
>
> As I remembered, it was cheap, simple telly with naff prizes but I
> recalled that was part of its fun & appeal - 40 years on I found it was
> funny and reminded me how Wogan was a great presenter & entertainer.
> Despite it being what I would consider as ?cheap? telly, it did its job -
> it entertained and made us laugh!  Simple.
>
> In contrast to the new Blankety Blank, I never felt any urge to switch off
> the old recording - even when I have better things to do!
>
> I wonder how long the new show will last?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4 Oct 2021, at 22:23, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > ?Here's another new topic -
> >
> > On C4 last night, (Sunday), there was a fascinating doc about the
> restoration of the clock in the Elizabeth Tower, commonly called 'Big Ben'.
> >
> > It was introduced and voiced by Anna Keay, of the Landmark Trust - she
> talks normally,  in easily understood language, with technical terms used
> only when necessary, and explained.  It was an old fashioned, proper doc
> and all the better for it.
> >
> > It was followed immediately by Part 2 of a series called 'Lost Treasure
> Tombs of the Ancient Maya', a doc in the modern style - endless repeats, a
> 'sting' at shot changes and incessant use of 3D imaginations of places like
> Tikal.  A 30 minute show stretched to 1 hour what with adverts and repeat
> sequences. Thoroughly unsatisfying all round.
> >
> > How do production people now think this is the way to make
> documentaries? Or is it just me?  And how and why are they commissioned?
> >
> > Alasdair Lawrance
> >
> > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>
>
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From sue.malden at outlook.com  Tue Oct  5 12:15:46 2021
From: sue.malden at outlook.com (Sue Malden)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:15:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
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Interesting- many thanks Pat

Cheers Sue

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From: patheigham<mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>
Sent: 05 October 2021 12:48
To: Sue Malden<mailto:sue.malden at outlook.com>; Bernard Newnham<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

More about Gladys Davies. Being Welsh, she was very supportive of the Welsh Woollen Industry, particularly in respect of the Welsh community in Patagonia - South America.
She organised a charity fashion show, staged in the ballroom of the Hilton, Park Lane, and managed to get several of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels to model the clothes. (I think they were allowed to keep them). I was brought in to provide some music for this ? & the cabaret was the guitarist Wout Steenhuis and Leslie Crowther.
Wout and I had a great chat, as he was using the same Revox tape decks as I was. He was multitracking his own playing.

Pat

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From: Sue Malden<mailto:sue.malden at outlook.com>
Sent: 04 October 2021 21:58
To: patheigham<mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; Bernard Newnham<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

Thanks Pat

Cheers Sue

From: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
Sent: 04 October 2021 21:26
To: Sue Malden <sue.malden at outlook.com>; Bernard Newnham <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

Lovely article, Sue ? thank you.
Pleased at the mention of Gladys Davies. She was the regular Vision Mixer on the Black & White Minstrels in the early 60?s at the TVT. Not sure if VM?s were permanently attached to a camera crew.
Pat Heigham (ex Crew 3!)

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?We come to learn that two of them, Gladys Davies  and Muriel Powell , answered advertisements,



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  5 14:14:00 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 20:14:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lady VMs at TVC
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When I started there in Sep. 1963 there were two of them, I think. Both 
were renowned for using the 'preview bus' when selecting the correct 
point to cut. I seem to remember that Gladys used to dry her tobacco on 
the warm valve amplifiers in the sound control room equipment area! 
Cheers, Dave

On 05/10/2021 18:15, Sue Malden via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Interesting- many thanks Pat
>
> Cheers Sue
>
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> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
>
> More about Gladys Davies. Being Welsh, she was very supportive of the 
> Welsh Woollen Industry, particularly in respect of the Welsh community 
> in Patagonia - South America.
>
> She organised a charity fashion show, staged in the ballroom of the 
> Hilton, Park Lane, and managed to get several of the TV Toppers from 
> the B & W Minstrels to model the clothes. (I think they were allowed 
> to keep them). I was brought in to provide some music for this ? & the 
> cabaret was the guitarist Wout Steenhuis and Leslie Crowther.
>
> Wout and I had a great chat, as he was using the same Revox tape decks 
> as I was. He was multitracking his own playing.
>
> Pat
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> Lovely article, Sue ? thank you.
>
> Pleased at the mention of Gladys Davies. She was the regular Vision 
> Mixer on the Black & White Minstrels in the early 60?s at the TVT. Not 
> sure if VM?s were permanently attached to a camera crew.
>
> Pat Heigham (ex Crew 3!)
>
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> *The first BBC Television Camera woman ? Was it? Bimbi Harris*
>
> I am grateful to Emma Sandon Senior Lecturer in Film and Television, 
> Birkbeck College ,for extracts from this recorded conversation with 
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> Histories 
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> ?We come to learn that two of them, Gladys Davies? and Muriel Powell , 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  6 15:44:52 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 21:44:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
Message-ID: <20a431da-d318-b895-d17d-f9c0be17b0d5@btinternet.com>

With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement 
get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I was beginning 
to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge queue last week 
and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this 
afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off pumps I 
eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were queueing round 
the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was a tanker 
parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There was also a 
camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of the pumps! 
Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my mates tomorrow 
without worrying about getting home again!? Cheers, Dave



From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Wed Oct  6 17:03:55 2021
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 23:03:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bilsdale tx
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1633557849.360733.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>


There is a nice video of Bilsdale transmitter being felled today  on Arquivas youtube channel.
Doug Prior
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct  7 14:26:02 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 20:26:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bilsdale tx
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Have you got a link for this, Doug?
I found something about a fire?
Pat


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From: doug prior via Tech1
Sent: 06 October 2021 23:04
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Bilsdale tx


There is a nice video of Bilsdale transmitter being felled today ?on Arquivas youtube channel.
Doug Prior
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct  7 14:31:14 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 20:31:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
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There?s a pic of Gladys, on duty in the Production Control in the TVT when the suite was at the back of the stage.
It was in a commemorative book that the BBC produced after the B & W?s won the Golden Rose of Montreux.
If it?s of use/interest, I?ll try and scan it and send ? not a great photo, not quite sharp enough. Let me know.
Pat

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From: Sue Malden
Sent: 05 October 2021 18:15
To: patheigham; Bernard Newnham
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

Interesting- many thanks Pat

Cheers Sue

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: patheigham
Sent: 05 October 2021 12:48
To: Sue Malden; Bernard Newnham
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article

More about Gladys Davies. Being Welsh, she was very supportive of the Welsh Woollen Industry, particularly in respect of the Welsh community in Patagonia - South America.
She organised a charity fashion show, staged in the ballroom of the Hilton, Park Lane, and managed to get several of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels to model the clothes. (I think they were allowed to keep them). I was brought in to provide some music for this ? & the cabaret was the guitarist Wout Steenhuis and Leslie Crowther.
Wout and I had a great chat, as he was using the same Revox tape decks as I was. He was multitracking his own playing.

Pat




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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 16:04:07 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 22:04:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bilsdale tx
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Try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA-fmLFaqAc

There had been afire at the base of the mast some weeks ago and it went off air. A temporary mast was brought in to cover.
Obviously all the feeders were destroyed and the cost/difficulty of rebuilding a mast when the bottom bit was damaged was obviously impossible and so the whole lot was taken down ? as per the video

Very impressive. I was working in Manchester when Emley Moor fell down due to ice on the guy wires and was being sent to Winter Hill for a microwave relay of a show in Blackpool.
After the Emley worry, we were told not to go up to Winter Hill actual site but park a Radio Links van at least 1000ft from the mast in case that one fell down!

Mike



From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 8:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bilsdale tx

Have you got a link for this, Doug?

I found something about a fire?

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 16:15:40 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 22:15:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] John Mersh
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Oct  7 16:26:23 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 22:26:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] John Mersh
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Does anyone have contact details for John?s family?  

I have many happy memories of working with John on Swap Shop, or it might have been its successor, Saturday Superstore(?). I think he was the Resource Coordinator for the famous meeting which included a Premises Manager, who declared after the site visit to one or other of the areas as TVC, that the Television Centre was not to be considered as a place of entertainment!

One of life?s real gentlemen.

Mike G

> On 7 Oct 2021, at 22:15, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> For those that knew John , please see below an email from John Lightfoot relaying the sad news of the death of John Mersh 
> 
> 
> Dear All,
>  
> So,  so sorry to tell you that John Mersh passed away earlier this week.  John has been unwell for sometime and, recently was to decline. Jim [Hart] told me today?
>  
> ? I have just had a call from Wendy, and she did manage to talk for a little while but is still very upset. She told me that John died of pneumonia having picked up an infection during his hospital stay. I would guess that John had been in hospital for around three or four weeks, certainly in one call I had from Wendy she was expressing some optimism for a recovery.
>  
> They had discussed their wishes for funeral arrangements and had decided that it will be Wendy and their two sons only, so no arrangements to tell you I'm afraid. We only talked for a short while - I had sent a card which she thanked me for, and then that was about it.?
>  
> John spent many of his earlier years in Studio Engineering and, after a period as a Technical Coordinator, was to become an amazing and effective Duty Studio Operations Manager.  With his lovely personality, he had a ?magic touch?, able to pour oil on any troubled water; calming, soothing and resolving many a potential troubling situation.  John was so respected, liked and, frankly, loved by a very wide range of craft and engineering  staff, support staff and production colleagues.  He was a delight to work with; modest and always underestimating his impact, effectiveness and influence.
>  
> John was a discrete friend to many but seemed reluctant to reveal much of his personal life.  His colleagues and his many contacts were so saddened and shocked when John took early retirement. Typically, he never understood the loss felt in the wake of his departure from the BBC. 
>  
> It was a privilege to have known and worked with John. RIP. 
>  
> Please pass on this sad news to any of our former colleagues that you are in touch with and you feel  would wish to know.  Many thanks.
>  
> Yours,
>  
>                             John
>  
> John Lightfoot
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From tonys at tonyscott.org.uk  Thu Oct  7 17:11:10 2021
From: tonys at tonyscott.org.uk (Tony Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 23:11:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] John Mersh
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RIP John

On Thu, 7 Oct 2021, 22:16 Paul Thackray via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> For those that knew John , please see below an email from John Lightfoot
> relaying the sad news of the death of John Mersh
>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
> So,  so sorry to tell you that John Mersh passed away earlier this week.
> John has been unwell for sometime and, recently was to decline. Jim [Hart]
> told me today?
>
>
> ? I have just had a call from Wendy, and she did manage to talk for a
> little while but is still very upset. She told me that John died of
> pneumonia having picked up an infection during his hospital stay. I would
> guess that John had been in hospital for around three or four weeks,
> certainly in one call I had from Wendy she was expressing some optimism for
> a recovery.
>
>
> They had discussed their wishes for funeral arrangements and had decided
> that it will be Wendy and their two sons only, so no arrangements to tell
> you I'm afraid. We only talked for a short while - I had sent a card which
> she thanked me for, and then that was about it.?
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct  8 04:14:39 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:14:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bilsdale tx
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Thanks for that. Sad to see the mast collapse ? I was reminded of Fred Dibnah who demolished chimneys. Looking him up I discovered two fascinating words that would defeat the QI panel: ?blunger? and ?deflocculant?

Did anyone watch the programme on ITV, last night, about the posthumous exposure of Jimmy Savile? The BBC doesn?t come out of it well ? a great deal of ?turning a blind eye?.

Pat

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From: Mike Jordan
Sent: 07 October 2021 22:04
To: patheigham; doug prior; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bilsdale tx

Try this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA-fmLFaqAc
?
There had been afire at the base of the mast some weeks ago and it went off air. A temporary mast was brought in to cover.
Obviously all the feeders were destroyed and the cost/difficulty of rebuilding a mast when the bottom bit was damaged was obviously impossible and so the whole lot was taken down ? as per the video
?
Mike
?
?
?
From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2021 8:26 PM
To: doug prior ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bilsdale tx
?
Have you got a link for this, Doug?
I found something about a fire?
Pat
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct  8 04:29:19 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:29:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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I was lucky yesterday, having driven past 4 filling stations that had no fuel, finished at an Esso one at the beginning of the Leatherhead by-pass. Only two cars waiting in front of me and plenty of unleaded, no limit on what I could have. Mind you it was at top whack ? 1.379/litre (I normally go to Sainsbury?s 1.339/litre), but to drive there probably uses up the saving!
Going in that direction encompasses Waitrose, dentist and optician , so one can combine into a single journey!
Pat
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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 06 October 2021 21:45
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el

With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement 
get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I was beginning 
to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge queue last week 
and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this 
afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off pumps I 
eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were queueing round 
the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was a tanker 
parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There was also a 
camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of the pumps! 
Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my mates tomorrow 
without worrying about getting home again!? Cheers, Dave


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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 05:00:10 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:00:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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You were lucky, around here in Chesham yesterday there wasn?t any to be had. Thankfully I didn?t need it anyway as I?d filled up a week or so ago and we?d got a nearly full 10 litre can of it which I needed for a final mow of the orchard, which took me three hours on Wednesday.
The price at the big three  here (BP, Esso and Shell) is ?1-395, so you?re not doing too badly at ?1-375. Tesco, four miles away in Amersham may be a few pence cheaper but whenever they have any they?re bound to have a long queue and it?s not worth the journey to find out,
Geoff

> On 8 Oct 2021, at 10:29, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I was lucky yesterday, having driven past 4 filling stations that had no fuel, finished at an Esso one at the beginning of the Leatherhead by-pass. Only two cars waiting in front of me and plenty of unleaded, no limit on what I could have. Mind you it was at top whack ? 1.379/litre (I normally go to Sainsbury?s 1.339/litre), but to drive there probably uses up the saving!
> Going in that direction encompasses Waitrose, dentist and optician , so one can combine into a single journey!
> Pat
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: 06 October 2021 21:45
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
> Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
>  
> With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement
> get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I was beginning
> to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge queue last week
> and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this
> afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off pumps I
> eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were queueing round
> the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was a tanker
> parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There was also a
> camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of the pumps!
> Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my mates tomorrow
> without worrying about getting home again!  Cheers, Dave
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 05:08:34 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:08:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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My wife has just been to Asda Sheerwater. No queue, fuel ?133.9

B

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 10:29 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I was lucky yesterday, having driven past 4 filling stations that had no
> fuel, finished at an Esso one at the beginning of the Leatherhead by-pass.
> Only two cars waiting in front of me and plenty of unleaded, no limit on
> what I could have. Mind you it was at top whack ? 1.379/litre (I normally
> go to Sainsbury?s 1.339/litre), but to drive there probably uses up the
> saving!
>
> Going in that direction encompasses Waitrose, dentist and optician , so
> one can combine into a single journey!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *06 October 2021 21:45
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil <phil at philwthomas.plus.com>; Dave
> <d.cjennings at btinternet.com>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Phew-el
>
>
>
> With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement
>
> get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I was beginning
>
> to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge queue last week
>
> and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this
>
> afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off pumps I
>
> eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were queueing round
>
> the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was a tanker
>
> parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There was also a
>
> camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of the pumps!
>
> Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my mates tomorrow
>
> without worrying about getting home again!  Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri Oct  8 05:14:00 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:14:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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The panic seems to have subsided round our way (S Cambs) Sainsbug?s yesterday had fuel at reasonable price and no queue. I didn?t actually get any as I?ve still half a tank. 

Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 8 Oct 2021, at 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My wife has just been to Asda Sheerwater. No queue, fuel ?133.9
> 
> B
> 
>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 10:29 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I was lucky yesterday, having driven past 4 filling stations that had no fuel, finished at an Esso one at the beginning of the Leatherhead by-pass. Only two cars waiting in front of me and plenty of unleaded, no limit on what I could have. Mind you it was at top whack ? 1.379/litre (I normally go to Sainsbury?s 1.339/litre), but to drive there probably uses up the saving!
>> 
>> Going in that direction encompasses Waitrose, dentist and optician , so one can combine into a single journey!
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Sent: 06 October 2021 21:45
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
>> Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement
>> 
>> get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I was beginning
>> 
>> to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge queue last week
>> 
>> and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this
>> 
>> afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off pumps I
>> 
>> eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were queueing round
>> 
>> the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was a tanker
>> 
>> parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There was also a
>> 
>> camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of the pumps!
>> 
>> Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my mates tomorrow
>> 
>> without worrying about getting home again!  Cheers, Dave
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Oct  8 05:16:34 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:16:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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I haven?t needed any. So at ?0.000/litre, I win!
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 8 Oct 2021, at 11:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
My wife has just been to Asda Sheerwater. No queue, fuel ?133.9

B

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 10:29 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
I was lucky yesterday, having driven past 4 filling stations that had no fuel, finished at an Esso one at the beginning of the Leatherhead by-pass. Only two cars waiting in front of me and plenty of unleaded, no limit on what I could have. Mind you it was at top whack ? 1.379/litre (I normally go to Sainsbury?s 1.339/litre), but to drive there probably uses up the saving!
Going in that direction encompasses Waitrose, dentist and optician , so one can combine into a single journey!
Pat
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From: dave.mdv via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 06 October 2021 21:45
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>; Phil<mailto:phil at philwthomas.plus.com>; Dave<mailto:d.cjennings at btinternet.com>
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el

With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement
get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I was beginning
to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge queue last week
and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this
afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off pumps I
eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were queueing round
the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was a tanker
parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There was also a
camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of the pumps!
Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my mates tomorrow
without worrying about getting home again!  Cheers, Dave


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct  8 06:11:52 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 12:11:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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I think there were a lot of selfish people ? the ?me first? syndrome. Those that depend on cars to work, like NHS staff, doctors/nurses/carers, taxi operators/postal workers vans, should be first in line.
Being well retired, I waited until I judged that stations would have had a delivery. Now got enough to venture West to Somerset next week ? and back again!
Pat

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From: Peter Neill
Sent: 08 October 2021 11:14
To: Bernard Newnham
Cc: patheigham; Phil; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Phew-el

The panic seems to have subsided round our way (S Cambs) Sainsbug?s yesterday had fuel at reasonable price and no queue. I didn?t actually get any as I?ve still half a tank.?

Peter
Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.?


On 8 Oct 2021, at 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
?
My wife has just been to Asda Sheerwater. No queue, fuel ?133.9

B

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 10:29 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
I was lucky yesterday, having driven past 4 filling stations that had no fuel, finished at an Esso one at the beginning of the Leatherhead by-pass. Only two cars waiting in front of me and plenty of unleaded, no limit on what I could have. Mind you it was at top whack ? 1.379/litre (I normally go to Sainsbury?s 1.339/litre), but to drive there probably uses up the saving!
Going in that direction encompasses Waitrose, dentist and optician , so one can combine into a single journey!
Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows
?
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 06 October 2021 21:45
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
?
With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement 
get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I was beginning 
to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge queue last week 
and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this 
afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off pumps I 
eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were queueing round 
the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was a tanker 
parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There was also a 
camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of the pumps! 
Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my mates tomorrow 
without worrying about getting home again!? Cheers, Dave
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri Oct  8 06:29:53 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 12:29:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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Isn?t it a touch of 

I am cautious 
You are panicking 
He is greedy and selfish?

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 8 Oct 2021, at 12:11, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I think there were a lot of selfish people ? the ?me first? syndrome. Those that depend on cars to work, like NHS staff, doctors/nurses/carers, taxi operators/postal workers vans, should be first in line.
> Being well retired, I waited until I judged that stations would have had a delivery. Now got enough to venture West to Somerset next week ? and back again!
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Peter Neill
> Sent: 08 October 2021 11:14
> To: Bernard Newnham
> Cc: patheigham; Phil; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Phew-el
>  
> The panic seems to have subsided round our way (S Cambs) Sainsbug?s yesterday had fuel at reasonable price and no queue. I didn?t actually get any as I?ve still half a tank. 
>  
> Peter
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
> 
> On 8 Oct 2021, at 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My wife has just been to Asda Sheerwater. No queue, fuel ?133.9
>  
> B
>  
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 10:29 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I was lucky yesterday, having driven past 4 filling stations that had no fuel, finished at an Esso one at the beginning of the Leatherhead by-pass. Only two cars waiting in front of me and plenty of unleaded, no limit on what I could have. Mind you it was at top whack ? 1.379/litre (I normally go to Sainsbury?s 1.339/litre), but to drive there probably uses up the saving!
> Going in that direction encompasses Waitrose, dentist and optician , so one can combine into a single journey!
> Pat
> Sent from Mail for Windows
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> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: 06 October 2021 21:45
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
> Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
>  
> With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement
> get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I was beginning
> to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge queue last week
> and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this
> afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off pumps I
> eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were queueing round
> the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was a tanker
> parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There was also a
> camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of the pumps!
> Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my mates tomorrow
> without worrying about getting home again!  Cheers, Dave
>  
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct  8 07:00:12 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 13:00:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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Shades of ?I know my place?!
I recall that when fuel rationing was in place as a result of some Middle East conflict, I was entitled to the extra fuel coupons because of working for the BBC!

Pat

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From: Peter Neill
Sent: 08 October 2021 12:29
To: patheigham
Cc: Bernard Newnham; Phil; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Phew-el

Isn?t it a touch of?

I am cautious?
You are panicking?
He is greedy and selfish?



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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  8 07:20:19 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 13:20:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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Quite. In London, so many filling stations have closed due to high land 
prices which makes it more profitable to build flats (sorry, executive 
apartments) on the plot than sell petrol. Meaning the stocks per head is 
lower than many other places. I'm also wondering if they are holding 
back stocks to sell at a higher price.

Social meja does seem to say everyone is being selfish topping up when 
not needed. Except the poster, obviously.

On 08/10/2021 12:29, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
> Isn?t it a touch of
>
> I am cautious
> You are panicking
> He is greedy and selfish?
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>
>> On 8 Oct 2021, at 12:11, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I think there were a lot of selfish people ? the ?me first? syndrome. 
>> Those that depend on cars to work, like NHS staff, 
>> doctors/nurses/carers, taxi operators/postal workers vans, should be 
>> first in line.
>>
>> Being well retired, I waited until I judged that stations would have 
>> had a delivery. Now got enough to venture West to Somerset next week 
>> ? and back again!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows
>>
>> *From: *Peter Neill <mailto:peter.neill at icloud.com>
>> *Sent: *08 October 2021 11:14
>> *To: *Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; Phil 
>> <mailto:phil at philwthomas.plus.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>; Dave <mailto:d.cjennings at btinternet.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Phew-el
>>
>> The panic seems to have subsided round our way (S Cambs) Sainsbug?s 
>> yesterday had fuel at reasonable price and no queue. I didn?t 
>> actually get any as I?ve still half a tank.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 8 Oct 2021, at 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>     ?
>>
>>     My wife has just been to Asda Sheerwater. No queue, fuel ?133.9
>>
>>     B
>>
>>     On Fri, 8 Oct 2021, 10:29 patheigham via Tech1,
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>         I was lucky yesterday, having driven past 4 filling stations
>>         that had no fuel, finished at an Esso one at the beginning of
>>         the Leatherhead by-pass. Only two cars waiting in front of me
>>         and plenty of unleaded, no limit on what I could have. Mind
>>         you it was at top whack ? 1.379/litre (I normally go to
>>         Sainsbury?s 1.339/litre), but to drive there probably uses up
>>         the saving!
>>
>>         Going in that direction encompasses Waitrose, dentist and
>>         optician , so one can combine into a single journey!
>>
>>         Pat
>>
>>         Sent from Mail
>>         <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>
>>         *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>         *Sent: *06 October 2021 21:45
>>         *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>;
>>         Phil <mailto:phil at philwthomas.plus.com>; Dave
>>         <mailto:d.cjennings at btinternet.com>
>>         *Subject: *[Tech1] Phew-el
>>
>>         With my weekly 100 mile round-trip to this week's retirement
>>
>>         get-together and only a quarter of a tank of petrol left I
>>         was beginning
>>
>>         to panic! Especially as my local Shell garage had a huge
>>         queue last week
>>
>>         and has been closed ever since. I had a short drive around this
>>
>>         afternoon and after passing several garages with taped -off
>>         pumps I
>>
>>         eneded up at my nearest Tesco, where last week they were
>>         queueing round
>>
>>         the car park with a 45 minute waiting time! Today, there was
>>         a tanker
>>
>>         parked up and they had just Super Unleaded for sale. There
>>         was also a
>>
>>         camera man and reporter doing an in-vision report in front of
>>         the pumps!
>>
>>         Naturally, I filled up to the brim and can go and meet my
>>         mates tomorrow
>>
>>         without worrying about getting home again! Cheers, Dave
>>
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  8 07:40:35 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 13:40:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phew-el
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If you think about it, that list on ?Key workers? extends a hell of a lot further than it might first appear:  What about somebody like a tyre fitter - you?re not classing him as a Key worker ? Doesn?t he also need to get to work in order to fit tyres onto the cars of say those working in the NHS?  Those who work in food shops and paid only a minimum wage so that those Key workers can eat, plumbers, Council refuse collectors, office staff who process people?s wages so that they too can live, lorry drivers delivering food & other essential supplies?I could carry on!

I don?t think it?s fair that many are not considered to be Key workers as without them those ?Key? workers would not be able to survive. Where do you draw the line?

For that reason I?ll refrain from calling others ?selfish? - well, any more than I normally do when there?s isn?t a fuel crisis.  The media was to blame for broadcasting of an imminent shortage and thus making matters worse. 

Steve 


I think there were a lot of selfish people ? the ?me first? syndrome. Those that depend on cars to work, like NHS staff, doctors/nurses/carers, taxi operators/postal workers vans, should be first in line.
Being well retired, I waited until I judged that stations would have had a delivery. Now got enough to venture West to Somerset next week ? and back again!
Pat

> On 8 Oct 2021, at 12:12, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I think there were a lot of selfish people ? the ?me first? syndrome. Those that depend on cars to work, like NHS staff, doctors/nurses/carers, taxi operators/postal workers vans, should be first in line.
> 
> Being well retired, I waited until I judged that stations would have had a delivery. Now got enough to venture West to Somerset next week ? and back again!
> 
> Pat
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  8 18:12:54 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 00:12:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rain
Message-ID: <626193c2-f360-5cd2-4a98-fb64b07e2651@btinternet.com>

This is what happens when your neighbours cut down water thirsty trees 
and you live on clay! Cheers, Dave

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Oct  9 02:35:53 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 08:35:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rain
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Wot, no goldfish?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 9 Oct 2021, at 00:12, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 02:59:01 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 08:59:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] National Trusty
Message-ID: <e34e7071-d940-0621-1cea-0d74fa7ffa55@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just been catching up with the National Trust magazine for Autumn 2021.

Did a bit of a "double-take" - one of the letters is from Pat::



Sorry this reporting is late: when the NT magazine arrived, my wife and 
i, and younger daughter and family, were down at Swanage, enjoying days 
on the beach at Studland - lovely beaches and free parking for NT 
members.? Here is Willow - the person absorbing any time I have ...



Best regards,

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 06:32:53 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:32:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
Message-ID: <07bd6768-f5da-08f9-5281-47ed2d1ebfe0@gmail.com>

The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their 
faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several 
hotels I've just stayed at.?? I might go and check it out on Friday 
before it goes to full price on the 19th.

B

https://www.thebroadcaster.co.uk/



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct  9 07:00:48 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:00:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been the next studio in the spur).
The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!

Maybe a venue for an ?Unorganised? but after a Premium Bond win!
Where has it been put ? in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?
Pat

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2021 12:33
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several hotels I've just stayed at.?? I might go and check it out on Friday before it goes to full price on the 19th. 

B

https://www.thebroadcaster.co.uk/





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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 07:09:05 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:09:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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Strictly speaking, the next in line is TC13.  Or the fourteenth if you include TC0. 

TC9 was converted for CBBC from an old storeroom.
TC10 and TC11 were the old news studios.
TC12 was a conversion from a music studio control room.
All four closed between 2011 and 2013 during the winding down.

David






From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 1:00 PM
To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been the next studio in the spur).

The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!

 

Maybe a venue for an ?Unorganised? but after a Premium Bond win!

Where has it been put ? in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?

Pat

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2021 12:33
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several hotels I've just stayed at.   I might go and check it out on Friday before it goes to full price on the 19th. 

B

https://www.thebroadcaster.co.uk/




 




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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Oct  9 07:12:58 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 13:12:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 07:22:10 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:22:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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Its opposite Wood Lane tube, by the bridge,  in front of TC1

B

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021, 13:00 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new
> watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been
> the next studio in the spur).
>
> The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!
>
>
>
> Maybe a venue for an ?Unorganised? but after a Premium Bond win!
>
> Where has it been put ? in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *09 October 2021 12:33
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] The Broadcaster
>
>
>
> The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their
> faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several hotels
> I've just stayed at.   I might go and check it out on Friday before it goes
> to full price on the 19th.
>
> B
>
> https://www.thebroadcaster.co.uk/
>
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct  9 07:23:07 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:23:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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While Studio 9, ( or Studio n according to how you count them ) would make sense to ex BBC people, it wouldn?t mean much to Joe Public, although the concept of the Nineteenth Hole is well known in golfing circles. Personally  I like Studio 9, but wouldn?t choose the name for a commercial venture.  I?m not sure I?d have gone for The Broadcaster either.  

It would have been nice to use a name more closely associated with a well known BBC programme made there. If it were primarily a pub, I would have favoured Top of the Hops, but it doesn?t work so well for a restaurant. Maybe something like Only Foods and Courses.

I noted that some of the beers had things like ENG or ITA after them and was thinking there might be some broadcasting in-joke going on until I realised where those drinks were brewed.

Alan Taylor

> On 9 Oct 2021, at 13:01, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been the next studio in the spur).
> The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!
>  
> Maybe a venue for an ?Unorganised? but after a Premium Bond win!
> Where has it been put ? in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
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> Sent: 09 October 2021 12:33
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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> The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several hotels I've just stayed at.   I might go and check it out on Friday before it goes to full price on the 19th. 
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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 07:43:17 2021
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:43:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
In-Reply-To: <5FE8D984CA9A41C3A6D630251BD63D62@0023242e4e14>
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Actually David TC9 was originally the Ground Floor Restaurant, opened during
the night hours when we had overnight set and lights. Food was generally
cooked to order, and better that the First and Third Floor!

 

Dudley

 

Dudley C. Darby

 

 

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From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Brunt
via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2021 13:09
To: patheigham; Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

Strictly speaking, the next in line is TC13.  Or the fourteenth if you
include TC0. 

TC9 was converted for CBBC from an old storeroom.
TC10 and TC11 were the old news studios.
TC12 was a conversion from a music studio control room.
All four closed between 2011 and 2013 during the winding down.

David





 

From: patheigham via <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  Tech1 

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 1:00 PM

To: Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>  ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new
watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been
the next studio in the spur).

The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!

 

Maybe a venue for an 'Unorganised' but after a Premium Bond win!

Where has it been put - in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?

Pat

 

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From: Bernard <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2021 12:33
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their
faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several hotels
I've just stayed at.   I might go and check it out on Friday before it goes
to full price on the 19th. 

B

https://www.thebroadcaster.co.uk/



 

 

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 07:57:44 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:57:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
In-Reply-To: <4AB28741F61947F3AC548A661254F706@DarbydPC1>
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I was under the impression it had been used as a storeroom for the make-up department just prior to the conversion to the CBBC studio.

Maybe that came after the Restaurant period?

Could even have been both, becoming the studio and the foyer into the garden.

David


From: Dudley Darby 
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 1:43 PM
To: 'David Brunt' ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

Actually David TC9 was originally the Ground Floor Restaurant, opened during the night hours when we had overnight set and lights. Food was generally cooked to order, and better that the First and Third Floor!

 

Dudley

 

Dudley C. Darby

 

 


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From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Brunt via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2021 13:09
To: patheigham; Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

Strictly speaking, the next in line is TC13.  Or the fourteenth if you include TC0. 

TC9 was converted for CBBC from an old storeroom.
TC10 and TC11 were the old news studios.
TC12 was a conversion from a music studio control room.
All four closed between 2011 and 2013 during the winding down.

David





 

From: patheigham via Tech1 

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 1:00 PM

To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been the next studio in the spur).

The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!

 

Maybe a venue for an ?Unorganised? but after a Premium Bond win!

Where has it been put ? in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?

Pat

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2021 12:33
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several hotels I've just stayed at.   I might go and check it out on Friday before it goes to full price on the 19th. 

B

https://www.thebroadcaster.co.uk/



 

 


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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 09:47:44 2021
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:47:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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Yes, it first became a kitchen storeroom then much later a make-up store
after the night service closed down, I think the restaurant closing around,
or soon after, the time that specific night rigging crews were introduced.

 

Dudley

 

Dudley C. Darby

 

 

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From: David Brunt [mailto:davidvbrunt at gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 October 2021 13:58
To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

I was under the impression it had been used as a storeroom for the make-up
department just prior to the conversion to the CBBC studio.

Maybe that came after the Restaurant period?

Could even have been both, becoming the studio and the foyer into the
garden.

David

 

From: Dudley <mailto:dudley.darby at gmail.com>  Darby 

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 1:43 PM

To: 'David Brunt' <mailto:davidvbrunt at gmail.com>  ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 

Subject: RE: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

Actually David TC9 was originally the Ground Floor Restaurant, opened during
the night hours when we had overnight set and lights. Food was generally
cooked to order, and better that the First and Third Floor!

 

Dudley

 

Dudley C. Darby

 

 

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From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Brunt
via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2021 13:09
To: patheigham; Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

Strictly speaking, the next in line is TC13.  Or the fourteenth if you
include TC0. 

TC9 was converted for CBBC from an old storeroom.
TC10 and TC11 were the old news studios.
TC12 was a conversion from a music studio control room.
All four closed between 2011 and 2013 during the winding down.

David




 

From: patheigham via <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  Tech1 

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2021 1:00 PM

To: Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>  ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new
watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been
the next studio in the spur).

The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!

 

Maybe a venue for an 'Unorganised' but after a Premium Bond win!

Where has it been put - in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?

Pat

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows

 

From: Bernard <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2021 12:33
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster

 

The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their
faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several hotels
I've just stayed at.   I might go and check it out on Friday before it goes
to full price on the 19th. 

B

https://www.thebroadcaster.co.uk/

 

 

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From ggstable at mac.com  Sat Oct  9 11:06:49 2021
From: ggstable at mac.com (GRAHAM GILES)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:06:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gladys Davies
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Here?s an historic picture with Gladys -



On 7 Oct 2021, at 20:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

There?s a pic of Gladys, on duty in the Production Control in the TVT when the suite was at the back of the stage.
It was in a commemorative book that the BBC produced after the B & W?s won the Golden Rose of Montreux.
If it?s of use/interest, I?ll try and scan it and send ? not a great photo, not quite sharp enough. Let me know.
Pat
 
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
 
From: Sue Malden <mailto:sue.malden at outlook.com>
Sent: 05 October 2021 18:15
To: patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; Bernard Newnham <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
 
Interesting- many thanks Pat
 
Cheers Sue
 
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From: patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>
Sent: 05 October 2021 12:48
To: Sue Malden <mailto:sue.malden at outlook.com>; Bernard Newnham <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
 
More about Gladys Davies. Being Welsh, she was very supportive of the Welsh Woollen Industry, particularly in respect of the Welsh community in Patagonia - South America.
She organised a charity fashion show, staged in the ballroom of the Hilton, Park Lane, and managed to get several of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels to model the clothes. (I think they were allowed to keep them). I was brought in to provide some music for this ? & the cabaret was the guitarist Wout Steenhuis and Leslie Crowther.
Wout and I had a great chat, as he was using the same Revox tape decks as I was. He was multitracking his own playing.
 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct  9 11:46:28 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:46:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gladys Davies
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I recognise every face along the back row but my increasingly inadequate memory recall fails me for names except for Dave Hanks in the middle. Similarly I see Jim Stevens in the front row and recall the faces of the two outer ladies. Anyone able to fill in the blanks?

Great photo isn?t it!

Dave Newbitt.

From: GRAHAM GILES via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 5:06 PM
To: TechOps Forum 
Subject: [Tech1] Gladys Davies

Here?s an historic picture with Gladys - 



On 7 Oct 2021, at 20:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

There?s a pic of Gladys, on duty in the Production Control in the TVT when the suite was at the back of the stage.
It was in a commemorative book that the BBC produced after the B & W?s won the Golden Rose of Montreux.
If it?s of use/interest, I?ll try and scan it and send ? not a great photo, not quite sharp enough. Let me know.
Pat
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Sue Malden
Sent: 05 October 2021 18:15
To: patheigham; Bernard Newnham
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
 
Interesting- many thanks Pat
 
Cheers Sue
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: patheigham
Sent: 05 October 2021 12:48
To: Sue Malden; Bernard Newnham
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
 
More about Gladys Davies. Being Welsh, she was very supportive of the Welsh Woollen Industry, particularly in respect of the Welsh community in Patagonia - South America.
She organised a charity fashion show, staged in the ballroom of the Hilton, Park Lane, and managed to get several of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels to model the clothes. (I think they were allowed to keep them). I was brought in to provide some music for this ? & the cabaret was the guitarist Wout Steenhuis and Leslie Crowther.
Wout and I had a great chat, as he was using the same Revox tape decks as I was. He was multitracking his own playing.
 
Pat

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From ggstable at mac.com  Sat Oct  9 12:20:03 2021
From: ggstable at mac.com (GRAHAM GILES)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 18:20:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gladys Davies
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On 9 Oct 2021, at 17:46, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

From L to R -
Bob Thornton, Peter Norman, Angela Beveridge, Fred Law, Gladys Davies, Dave Hanks, Jim Stephens, Graham Giles, Flo Powney, Bill Morton, Joan Duncan, John Barclay.

I recognise every face along the back row but my increasingly inadequate memory recall fails me for names except for Dave Hanks in the middle. Similarly I see Jim Stevens in the front row and recall the faces of the two outer ladies. Anyone able to fill in the blanks?
 
Great photo isn?t it!
 
Dave Newbitt.
 
From: GRAHAM GILES via Tech1 <>
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 5:06 PM
To: TechOps Forum <>
Subject: [Tech1] Gladys Davies
 
Here?s an historic picture with Gladys -
 
<VM Group.jpeg>
 
On 7 Oct 2021, at 20:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <>> wrote:
 
There?s a pic of Gladys, on duty in the Production Control in the TVT when the suite was at the back of the stage.
It was in a commemorative book that the BBC produced after the B & W?s won the Golden Rose of Montreux.
If it?s of use/interest, I?ll try and scan it and send ? not a great photo, not quite sharp enough. Let me know.
Pat
 
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
 
From: Sue Malden <>
Sent: 05 October 2021 18:15
To: patheigham <>; Bernard Newnham <>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
 
Interesting- many thanks Pat
 
Cheers Sue
 
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
 
From: patheigham <>
Sent: 05 October 2021 12:48
To: Sue Malden <>; Bernard Newnham <>
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
 
More about Gladys Davies. Being Welsh, she was very supportive of the Welsh Woollen Industry, particularly in respect of the Welsh community in Patagonia - South America.
She organised a charity fashion show, staged in the ballroom of the Hilton, Park Lane, and managed to get several of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels to model the clothes. (I think they were allowed to keep them). I was brought in to provide some music for this ? & the cabaret was the guitarist Wout Steenhuis and Leslie Crowther.
Wout and I had a great chat, as he was using the same Revox tape decks as I was. He was multitracking his own playing.
 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct  9 12:57:48 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 18:57:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gladys Davies
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Thanks so much Graham ? I wish I could have done better but as soon as I see the names I reconnect (temporarily at least) the missing brain links!

Dave Newbitt.

From: GRAHAM GILES via Tech1 
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To: TechOps Forum 
Cc: David Newbitt 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Gladys Davies



On 9 Oct 2021, at 17:46, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

>From L to R -
Bob Thornton, Peter Norman, Angela Beveridge, Fred Law, Gladys Davies, Dave Hanks, Jim Stephens, Graham Giles, Flo Powney, Bill Morton, Joan Duncan, John Barclay.

I recognise every face along the back row but my increasingly inadequate memory recall fails me for names except for Dave Hanks in the middle. Similarly I see Jim Stevens in the front row and recall the faces of the two outer ladies. Anyone able to fill in the blanks?

Great photo isn?t it!

Dave Newbitt.

From: GRAHAM GILES via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 5:06 PM
To: TechOps Forum 
Subject: [Tech1] Gladys Davies

Here?s an historic picture with Gladys - 

<VM Group.jpeg>

On 7 Oct 2021, at 20:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

There?s a pic of Gladys, on duty in the Production Control in the TVT when the suite was at the back of the stage.
It was in a commemorative book that the BBC produced after the B & W?s won the Golden Rose of Montreux.
If it?s of use/interest, I?ll try and scan it and send ? not a great photo, not quite sharp enough. Let me know.
Pat
 
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From: Sue Malden
Sent: 05 October 2021 18:15
To: patheigham; Bernard Newnham
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
 
Interesting- many thanks Pat
 
Cheers Sue
 
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From: patheigham
Sent: 05 October 2021 12:48
To: Sue Malden; Bernard Newnham
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Bimbi Harris article
 
More about Gladys Davies. Being Welsh, she was very supportive of the Welsh Woollen Industry, particularly in respect of the Welsh community in Patagonia - South America.
She organised a charity fashion show, staged in the ballroom of the Hilton, Park Lane, and managed to get several of the TV Toppers from the B & W Minstrels to model the clothes. (I think they were allowed to keep them). I was brought in to provide some music for this ? & the cabaret was the guitarist Wout Steenhuis and Leslie Crowther.
Wout and I had a great chat, as he was using the same Revox tape decks as I was. He was multitracking his own playing.
 
Pat

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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Sun Oct 10 06:30:13 2021
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:30:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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The ?Broadcaster? actually fronts Wood Lane to the left of the ?horseshoe? entrance. 
Noticed it the other day when I was being dragged to Westfield!!
Also noticed that Top Gear had taken over the middle of the TVC circle again - not sure how I?d feel about that if I?d spent stupid money on one of the ?luxury? apartments there?

Graham Maunder


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> On 9 Oct 2021, at 13:01, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> ?
> As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been the next studio in the spur).
> The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!
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> Maybe a venue for an ?Unorganised? but after a Premium Bond win!
> Where has it been put ? in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?
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> The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their faintly expensive menu, which looks a lot like the menus at several hotels I've just stayed at.   I might go and check it out on Friday before it goes to full price on the 19th. 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 06:44:09 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:44:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Broadcaster
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We'll, I'll check it out this Friday lunchtime - I've booked for us two -
but I think the menu is too expensive and too narrow to be used as a
disorganised location. If my picture actually made it to their wall I'll
take a picture.

B

On Sun, 10 Oct 2021, 12:30 Graham Maunder, <grahamthecameraman at icloud.com>
wrote:

> The ?Broadcaster? actually fronts Wood Lane to the left of the ?horseshoe?
> entrance.
> Noticed it the other day when I was being dragged to Westfield!!
> Also noticed that Top Gear had taken over the middle of the TVC circle
> again - not sure how I?d feel about that if I?d spent stupid money on one
> of the ?luxury? apartments there?
>
> Graham Maunder
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> On 9 Oct 2021, at 13:01, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> ?
>
> As The Chancellors at Riverside got christened Studio 3, maybe this new
> watering hole should have been Studio 9? (not sure if that would have been
> the next studio in the spur).
>
> The wine list prices are certainly fainting inducing!
>
>
>
> Maybe a venue for an ?Unorganised? but after a Premium Bond win!
>
> Where has it been put ? in the previous area of the TVC Club bar?
>
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> The new pub at Television Centre opens this Thursday, with 50% off their
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Oct 10 06:52:31 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:52:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] "New" Marr studio
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He tells us it is a new studio but does anyone know where it is?
Big enough for a slightly larger version of his original with all the screens showing the video view from Shell Mex house on the Embankment but also a section that looks like a little news studio with a screen showing the view from BH front balcony with The Langham. All Souls Church and a bit of regent Street (though possibly not ?live? as they have taken care not to get road in shot!)
Hope they are ready to show various weather conditions on the screen which was not done on earlier views down embankment with nice leafy trees even in winter until enough people complained!
At least ITV in TC for morning shows apparently did various versions of view across the Thames to suit any weather condition.
BBC London still has the shot of Thames with same barges moored from about 10 years ago.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Oct 10 08:25:34 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 14:25:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sunday afternoons
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Reminiscing about living at home, pre-BBC days, and after a decent roast beef Sunday lunch, settling down in front of the real fire (in winter) to watch a film on TV, in glorious B & W!
There doesn?t seem to be that in the schedules nowadays, although BBC2 is doing its best with ?Ice Station Zebra? this current afternoon. Seen it, though, at least it?s got The Prisoner in it.
A favourite memory ? my Dad used to give my Mum a box of Black Magic chocolates every Sunday. Mum accidentally knocked the open box off the arm of her chair, whereupon our Corgi sprang into action, hoovering up as much as he could, not bothering to swallow, just collecting them before he was hauled off. Chocolate is toxic for doggies, but he didn?t seem to be affected.
Speaking of films on TV, I remember one Saturday, in LG ?G? working on Grandstand, when the weather closed down on all OB sports ? absolutely nothing to broadcast, so Pres ran a feature film ? ?Berlin Express? which is still being churned out to this day!
We collected up all the green canvas chairs and sat before the studio monitor.
Don?t know what the OB crews did, maybe there was an off-air broadcast feed, or a nearby pub!
Happy Daze!
Pat

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Oct 10 08:48:43 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 14:48:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sunday afternoons
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> Don?t know what the OB crews did, maybe there was an off-air broadcast feed, or a nearby pub!

I would hazard a guess that if the event were called off, the OB people did a swift de-rig and went home early.  Sitting in the scanner and watching a movie seems most unlikely.  

Were pubs open in the afternoons in those days?  I remember when all day pub opening was introduced ( late 1980s ? ) and the E.M. on one show being somewhat alarmed when some of my more boozy colleagues decided to go to the pub for an afternoon "tea break", having already enjoyed a prolonged lunch hour there and would doubtless be returning for their evening meal break too.

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From dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Oct 10 09:33:52 2021
From: dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk (Dick Greening)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:33:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Please remove Dick Greening from mailing list
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Hi all

Please could you remove Dick Greening at dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk from 
this mailing list/chat.


As you may know Dick sadly passed away in August.


I couldn't see an unsubscribe option so please could the group 
administrator amend the circulation list.


Thanks for your help


Jane Greening



From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 10 12:17:46 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 18:17:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sunday afternoons
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What lovely memories. I think the composition of chocolate has changed since that time. It was less toxic. We used our easter eggs to train our poodle !
Sarax
> On 10 Oct 2021, at 14:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Don?t know what the OB crews did, maybe there was an off-air broadcast feed, or a nearby pub!
> 
> I would hazard a guess that if the event were called off, the OB people did a swift de-rig and went home early.  Sitting in the scanner and watching a movie seems most unlikely.  
> 
> Were pubs open in the afternoons in those days?  I remember when all day pub opening was introduced ( late 1980s ? ) and the E.M. on one show being somewhat alarmed when some of my more boozy colleagues decided to go to the pub for an afternoon "tea break", having already enjoyed a prolonged lunch hour there and would doubtless be returning for their evening meal break too.
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Oct 10 13:00:21 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:00:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Arcade games
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I own up to watching ?Tipping Point?
It reminds me of my Mum taking me to the end of Ryde Pier
to play the ?penny-in-the-slot? machines.
Older now and more cynical, there is no way that the player is going to win.
The crane one has the grab prongs so highly polished that it won?t pick up the teddy bear and it?s adjusted to let go before it even gets to the delivery shute.
Similarly, a coconut shy offers you balls that are balsa wood, and so light as to have no effect on a nut, much heavier, and partially buried in a sand cup.
Stick to the rides - at least on the dodgems you get something for your money ? they used be referred to as bumper cars?
But you were not supposed to ram them!

The rifle range had the sights wound right off. I used to see where the shots went on the first go, then insisted on the same gun for another attempt.
It?s all a big con.

On location in Blackpool for a Thames/Euston Films drama,
our hotel was hosting an exhibition of fairground attractions in their hall, to sell them to the travelling carnies and we got there just in time at the end of the day to have a free play.
That was great fun.
Pat


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Oct 10 14:29:27 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:29:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Arcade games
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The Milestones Museum in Basingstoke has a selction of penny in the slot arcade machines and will sell you some genuine pennies to play them with.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Oct 2021, at 19:00, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I own up to watching ?Tipping Point?
> It reminds me of my Mum taking me to the end of Ryde Pier
> to play the ?penny-in-the-slot? machines.
> Older now and more cynical, there is no way that the player is going to win.
> The crane one has the grab prongs so highly polished that it won?t pick up the teddy bear and it?s adjusted to let go before it even gets to the delivery shute.
> Similarly, a coconut shy offers you balls that are balsa wood, and so light as to have no effect on a nut, much heavier, and partially buried in a sand cup.
> Stick to the rides - at least on the dodgems you get something for your money ? they used be referred to as bumper cars?
> But you were not supposed to ram them!
>  
> The rifle range had the sights wound right off. I used to see where the shots went on the first go, then insisted on the same gun for another attempt.
> It?s all a big con.
>  
> On location in Blackpool for a Thames/Euston Films drama,
> our hotel was hosting an exhibition of fairground attractions in their hall, to sell them to the travelling carnies and we got there just in time at the end of the day to have a free play.
> That was great fun.
> Pat
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Oct 10 15:48:12 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:48:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Arcade games
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The reward you got from those penny in the slot games was the fun you had trying to win. It didn?t matter much whether or not you actually won something that you probably didn?t want anyway. 
Have a go, then move on to something you can win. Not a bad motto for life, really.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 10 Oct 2021, at 20:30, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The Milestones Museum in Basingstoke has a selction of penny in the slot arcade machines and will sell you some genuine pennies to play them with.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 10 Oct 2021, at 19:00, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I own up to watching ?Tipping Point?
>> It reminds me of my Mum taking me to the end of Ryde Pier
>> to play the ?penny-in-the-slot? machines.
>> Older now and more cynical, there is no way that the player is going to win.
>> The crane one has the grab prongs so highly polished that it won?t pick up the teddy bear and it?s adjusted to let go before it even gets to the delivery shute.
>> Similarly, a coconut shy offers you balls that are balsa wood, and so light as to have no effect on a nut, much heavier, and partially buried in a sand cup.
>> Stick to the rides - at least on the dodgems you get something for your money ? they used be referred to as bumper cars?
>> But you were not supposed to ram them!
>> 
>> The rifle range had the sights wound right off. I used to see where the shots went on the first go, then insisted on the same gun for another attempt.
>> It?s all a big con.
>> 
>> On location in Blackpool for a Thames/Euston Films drama,
>> our hotel was hosting an exhibition of fairground attractions in their hall, to sell them to the travelling carnies and we got there just in time at the end of the day to have a free play.
>> That was great fun.
>> Pat

From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 10 18:06:29 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 00:06:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Summer holidays
Message-ID: <80a6c28a-dc37-5c25-3faa-800838a73a7b@btinternet.com>

As a young teen I spent most summer holidays in Mablethorpe, in 
Lincolnshire, just above the posher Skegness! The 'guest' house had a 
large porcelain bowl in the bedroom and a large jug of cold water, 
en-suite in the 50's! I spent hours in the 'hell-dives', as my mother 
called them, and got to learn which machines you could manipulate to win 
another penny or two. Eventually, the staff kept altering the pins etc. 
on the pin-ball machines to make them less rewarding. Some old one-armed 
bandits you could spin the reels backwards to where you would win a 
penny or two. Happy days. I got many free rides on the big wheel, I 
don't know why but I was very good looking as a twelve year old! The 
juke box had Frankie Laine hits and 'Glenn Miller Story' tracks on 78's 
which were totally alien to me,? being brought up on the Palm Court 
Orchestra on a Sunday evening on the Home Service! When a girl asked me 
if I liked Frankie Laine I had to fib! That was the start of my real 
adolescence! Cheers, Dave



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 10 18:08:49 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 00:08:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sunday afternoons
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Not only chocalate but vine fruits are very bad for doggies. Don't give 
them mince pies or Christmas Pudding! Cheers, Dave

On 10/10/2021 18:17, sara newman via Tech1 wrote:
> What lovely memories. I think the composition of chocolate has changed 
> since that time. It was less toxic. We used our easter eggs to train 
> our poodle !
> Sarax
>> On 10 Oct 2021, at 14:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Don?t know what the OB crews did, maybe there was an off-air 
>>> broadcast feed, or a nearby pub!
>>
>> I would hazard a guess that if the event were called off, the OB 
>> people did a swift de-rig and went home early. ?Sitting in the 
>> scanner and watching a movie seems most unlikely.
>>
>> Were pubs open in the afternoons in those days? ?I remember when all 
>> day pub opening was introduced ( late 1980s ? ) and the E.M. on one 
>> show being somewhat alarmed when some of my more boozy colleagues 
>> decided to go to the pub for an afternoon "tea break", having already 
>> enjoyed a prolonged lunch hour there and would doubtless be returning 
>> for their evening meal break too.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 10 18:16:33 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 00:16:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Boozy lunch breaks
In-Reply-To: <B0D84AF9-190A-4881-9B9D-45C013C329C5@me.com>
References: <6162e9ce.1c69fb81.f6aba.9aef@mx.google.com>
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The most famous apochryphal story about? OB meal expenses came when the 
gathered managers asked the 'Head of something OB wise' what was a 
standard lunch? Back came the answer - 'about 5 pints!' And that was 
that, written into OB folklore at a stroke. Obviously, one tried to obey 
the rules but often time didn't allow a standard lunch, but we tried! 
Cheers, Dave

On 10/10/2021 14:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> Don?t know what the OB crews did, maybe there was an off-air 
>> broadcast feed, or a nearby pub!
>
> I would hazard a guess that if the event were called off, the OB 
> people did a swift de-rig and went home early. ?Sitting in the scanner 
> and watching a movie seems most unlikely.
>
> Were pubs open in the afternoons in those days? ?I remember when all 
> day pub opening was introduced ( late 1980s ? ) and the E.M. on one 
> show being somewhat alarmed when some of my more boozy colleagues 
> decided to go to the pub for an afternoon "tea break", having already 
> enjoyed a prolonged lunch hour there and would doubtless be returning 
> for their evening meal break too.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Oct 10 18:17:57 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 00:17:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Summer holidays
In-Reply-To: <80a6c28a-dc37-5c25-3faa-800838a73a7b@btinternet.com>
References: <80a6c28a-dc37-5c25-3faa-800838a73a7b@btinternet.com>
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Do you mean to tell us that you haven?t retained your good looks Dave? Would a face recognition algorithm identify you now as being the same person as that 12 year old?

And speaking of face recognition - I?ve just got an iPhone 13 with face recognition, which is quite disconcerting in opening up without apparent hesitation, to the point that I?ve felt it necessary to check several times that it doesn?t open up if it can?t see my face reasonably square on - yet it recognises me in the dark!

Mike G

> On 11 Oct 2021, at 00:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?As a young teen I spent most summer holidays in Mablethorpe, in Lincolnshire, just above the posher Skegness! The 'guest' house had a large porcelain bowl in the bedroom and a large jug of cold water, en-suite in the 50's! I spent hours in the 'hell-dives', as my mother called them, and got to learn which machines you could manipulate to win another penny or two. Eventually, the staff kept altering the pins etc. on the pin-ball machines to make them less rewarding. Some old one-armed bandits you could spin the reels backwards to where you would win a penny or two. Happy days. I got many free rides on the big wheel, I don't know why but I was very good looking as a twelve year old! The juke box had Frankie Laine hits and 'Glenn Miller Story' tracks on 78's which were totally alien to me,  being brought up on the Palm Court Orchestra on a Sunday evening on the Home Service! When a girl asked me if I liked Frankie Laine I had to fib! That was the start of my real adolescence! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Oct 11 02:01:32 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 07:01:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sunday afternoons
In-Reply-To: <320c0770-9d0d-b137-8840-101c06393679@btinternet.com>
References: <320c0770-9d0d-b137-8840-101c06393679@btinternet.com>
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Oh, no - what with a Christmas turkey crisis upcoming (you just wait and see!) that doesn?t leave much of a Christmas for doggies!
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 11 Oct 2021, at 00:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Not only chocalate but vine fruits are very bad for doggies. Don't give them mince pies or Christmas Pudding! Cheers, Dave
> 

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 04:15:16 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:15:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Scam
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyEZeXv2imt04EW-+kfVzaznXu3HYmBoWQ3L+n_Uq520jQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA7MLyEZeXv2imt04EW-+kfVzaznXu3HYmBoWQ3L+n_Uq520jQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22ccb683-62a8-55fb-b61b-0330116deef1@gmail.com>


This came as a text to my phone yesterday.

Don't click the link!!

/Hermes: Hi there, please confirm the delivery of your item immediately 
at //https://hermes.online-tracking-parcel.com 
<https://hermes.online-tracking-parcel.com>//before your item is 
returned to sender.

/When I can get time to run VirtualBox or whatever, I'll have a look at 
where it might have sent me.? Meanwhile, I offer the theme from CSI 
Miami to brighten your morning, and act as a warning - though I didn't 
actually get fooled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVdomcsjBA

B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 11:56:50 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:56:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2002
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyFfpwMR4NOLDf_Y+njs=ZqPZ+_oJeOzOnxBjvK9-TadFA@mail.gmail.com>

Just for the next few hours I have two

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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Oct 11 18:04:22 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 00:04:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2002
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyFfpwMR4NOLDf_Y+njs=ZqPZ+_oJeOzOnxBjvK9-TadFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA7MLyFfpwMR4NOLDf_Y+njs=ZqPZ+_oJeOzOnxBjvK9-TadFA@mail.gmail.com>
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They really are quite remarkable, Bernie. If the photo was cropped just to include the table top, on my phone I would think they were the real thing. 

Anyone tried making a Fisher boom?

Mike G

> On 11 Oct 2021, at 17:57, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Just for the next few hours I have two
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct 13 13:11:39 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 19:11:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2002
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyFfpwMR4NOLDf_Y+njs=ZqPZ+_oJeOzOnxBjvK9-TadFA@mail.gmail.com>
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Beautifully made, Bernie. Great stuff!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 11 October 2021 17:57
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] 2002

Just for the next few hours I have two

B



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 14 04:32:25 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 10:32:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
Message-ID: <166848e3-71f1-19bd-bee3-59e5866c0ed7@btinternet.com>

One of our nightly visitors! Cheers, Dave

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 11:37:52 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 17:37:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Fab Four
Message-ID: <56bdbd41-da03-842c-d1ad-c5a8a20f7591@gmail.com>

Hi,

Many of us worked with The Beatles back in the day.


You may be interested in the latest bit of academia fro the University 
of Liverpool:



/The Journal of Beatles Studies/ is the first journal to establish The 
Beatles as an object of academic research, and will publish original, 
rigorously researched essays, notes, as well as book and media reviews.

The journal aims are; to provide a voice to new and emerging research 
locating the Beatles in new contexts, groups and communities from within 
and beyond academic institutions; to inaugurate, innovate, interrogate 
and challenge narrative, cultural historical and musicological tropes 
about the Beatles as both subject and object of study; to publish 
original and critical research from Beatles scholars around the globe 
and across disciplines.

/The Journal of Beatles Studies/ establishes a scholarly focal point for 
critique, dialogue and exchange on the nature, scope and value of The 
Beatles as an object of academic enquiry and seeks to examine and assess 
the continued economic value and cultural values generated by and around 
The Beatles, for policy makers, creative industries and consumers. The 
journal also seeks to approach The Beatles as a prism for accessing 
insight into wider historical, social and cultural issues.

The journal elicits peer-reviewed, interdisciplinary articles 
encompassing scholarship about, but not limited to:

# The Beatles as academic object
# The historical moment of The Beatles
# The music of the Beatles, including issues of composition, recording, 
performance, reception and interpretation
# Beatles fandom and communities
# Social identities and The Beatles
# Beatles geographies
# The legacy of The Beatles
# Cultural value and The Beatles
# The Beatles as heritage object
# The global Beatles
# Beatles historiography
# Mediation of The Beatles
# Beatles pedagogies
# Economics of The Beatles
# Archiving and collecting The Beatles
# Sustaining The Beatles


I'm sure that someone will have something to contribute! Archiving - 
well we all know what happened to TV recordings? ...


(No, this is not a wind-up: came via the University of Liverpool Alumni 
webazine...)


Best regards, Keep safe,


Alec


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alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 14 15:26:52 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:26:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week
In-Reply-To: <C6BB45AC-7069-4EDB-8AEB-FC9044D51E4E@icloud.com>
References: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com>
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When this all started the recommendation was no more than? 28 units per 
week, a figure a colleague suggested that had been plucked out of the 
air as there was no medical science behind it. Then they chopped it by 
half to 14. Chatting to my mates in the pub today, most admitted that 
they exceeded that so-called limit every day! They are all well and 
healthy and enjoying life! When we had a medical check-up at Kendal 
Avenue (the OB base) we were asked about drinking. A rigger told the 
medics that his intake was 7 pints, the medic said 'was that per week' 
and the rigger said 'no, each day!' So that was how it was . Cheers, 
hic, Dave

On 29/09/2021 14:39, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m obviously not drinkng enough
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 29 Sep 2021, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Medics say that people shouldn?t drink more than twelve units of alcohol per week. Understandably it?s hard for some people to equate units with bottles, but it?s very easy for technical people.
>>
>> This is what 3U of alcohol looks like.
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> Therefore 12U per week means 16 bottles per week.
>>
>> Happy days
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Oct 14 16:06:13 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:06:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week
In-Reply-To: <db6651d2-12a2-0c9e-9614-e96afaa2fa36@btinternet.com>
References: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com><C6BB45AC-7069-4EDB-8AEB-FC9044D51E4E@icloud.com>
	<db6651d2-12a2-0c9e-9614-e96afaa2fa36@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <6AE6478844F249229BCB7F7AA0C49FEB@Gigabyte>

Back in KA days, my diary reported a visit to the BBC Club for a lunchtime 
break then a return at the end(ish) of the days work before driving home.
Ah those were the days!
What drink and drive? never!

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 9:26 PM
To: Graeme Wall ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 12 units per week

When this all started the recommendation was no more than  28 units per
week, a figure a colleague suggested that had been plucked out of the
air as there was no medical science behind it. Then they chopped it by
half to 14. Chatting to my mates in the pub today, most admitted that
they exceeded that so-called limit every day! They are all well and
healthy and enjoying life! When we had a medical check-up at Kendal
Avenue (the OB base) we were asked about drinking. A rigger told the
medics that his intake was 7 pints, the medic said 'was that per week'
and the rigger said 'no, each day!' So that was how it was . Cheers,
hic, Dave



From jccglass at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 20:45:21 2021
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 02:45:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] freeview chan 20 sound
References: <121B2F89-3822-45BD-AF31-C365C996BD3F@me.com><C6BB45AC-7069-4EDB-8AEB-FC9044D51E4E@icloud.com>
	<db6651d2-12a2-0c9e-9614-e96afaa2fa36@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <277A756E1C254FD6AA7C0805A4043174@dell9100>

any one else notice intermittant glitch on sound
on freeview arial feed fo channel 20  Dave
thought a first it was the boiler stat arcing
  but
all other channels glitched  free


2 or 3 times a minute 
oddly i havnt noticed it on advets

chris



From peter.neill at icloud.com  Thu Oct 14 23:08:04 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 05:08:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] freeview chan 20 sound
In-Reply-To: <277A756E1C254FD6AA7C0805A4043174@dell9100>
References: <277A756E1C254FD6AA7C0805A4043174@dell9100>
Message-ID: <1B1F12D8-B766-4EEB-BCDB-C6C52E308377@icloud.com>

No - but had what seems to be exactly the same problem on Drama - Channel 10. Splats on both legs but not simultaneously. 

Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 15 Oct 2021, at 02:45, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?any one else notice intermittant glitch on sound
> on freeview arial feed fo channel 20  Dave
> thought a first it was the boiler stat arcing
> but
> all other channels glitched  free
> 
> 
> 2 or 3 times a minute oddly i havnt noticed it on advets
> 
> chris
> 
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Oct 15 03:22:22 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:22:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] freeview chan 20 sound
In-Reply-To: <1B1F12D8-B766-4EEB-BCDB-C6C52E308377@icloud.com>
References: <1B1F12D8-B766-4EEB-BCDB-C6C52E308377@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <EE5E8DD4-AE8C-45EC-AB9D-B01C0514ECB8@mac.com>

We had heavy glitches during Inspector Lindley one evening this week - intermittent but very noticeable because the dialogue is quaintly lowish level, so the sound bar volume was cranked up a bit. Certainly left heavy and not heard during adverts or on any other channels. 

Mike G


> On 15 Oct 2021, at 05:08, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?No - but had what seems to be exactly the same problem on Drama - Channel 10. Splats on both legs but not simultaneously. 
> 
> Peter
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2021, at 02:45, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?any one else notice intermittant glitch on sound
>> on freeview arial feed fo channel 20  Dave
>> thought a first it was the boiler stat arcing
>> but
>> all other channels glitched  free
>> 
>> 
>> 2 or 3 times a minute oddly i havnt noticed it on advets
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>> 
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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Fri Oct 15 03:29:38 2021
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 08:29:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Cup
In-Reply-To: <EE5E8DD4-AE8C-45EC-AB9D-B01C0514ECB8@mac.com>
References: <1B1F12D8-B766-4EEB-BCDB-C6C52E308377@icloud.com>
	<EE5E8DD4-AE8C-45EC-AB9D-B01C0514ECB8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <LO0P265MB394839523C1126E6A1717AE4BCB99@LO0P265MB3948.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear All,

I've been going through my Dad's things, and I found some wonderful pictures featuring BBC paper cups. Inspired by the aesthetic, I've made my own. I attach a picture, hoping it will make someone smile.

Best wishes,

Robin

(Son of Roger Bunce)
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Oct 15 03:32:28 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:32:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Cup
In-Reply-To: <LO0P265MB394839523C1126E6A1717AE4BCB99@LO0P265MB3948.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1B1F12D8-B766-4EEB-BCDB-C6C52E308377@icloud.com>
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Have you done a VT Tea version? 

(See various BBC Christmas tapes)

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 15 Oct 2021, at 09:29, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I've been going through my Dad's things, and I found some wonderful pictures featuring BBC paper cups. Inspired by the aesthetic, I've made my own. I attach a picture, hoping it will make someone smile.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Robin
> 
> (Son of Roger Bunce)
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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Fri Oct 15 03:49:55 2021
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 08:49:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Cup
In-Reply-To: <BD4462E0-B815-4F9C-90B0-F8AC2C5C8A91@icloud.com>
References: <1B1F12D8-B766-4EEB-BCDB-C6C52E308377@icloud.com>
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Dear Graham,

I didn't! I think the VT version feature Comic Sans, which is a typeface I hate!

Best,

Robin

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From: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
Sent: 15 October 2021 09:32
To: R.E.R. Bunce <rerb2 at cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Cup

Have you done a VT Tea version?

(See various BBC Christmas tapes)

?
Graeme Wall


> On 15 Oct 2021, at 09:29, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I've been going through my Dad's things, and I found some wonderful pictures featuring BBC paper cups. Inspired by the aesthetic, I've made my own. I attach a picture, hoping it will make someone smile.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Robin
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> (Son of Roger Bunce)
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 04:13:48 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:13:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Your The Broadcaster booking has been cancelled
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If you were planning to go, like us - don't!

B


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Date: 	Fri, 15 Oct 2021 08:26:25 +0000 (UTC)
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Reply-To: 	no-reply at opentable.co.uk
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct 15 04:21:42 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:21:42 +0100
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Power outage? In the tradition of TVC jinx!

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
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If you were planning to go, like us - don't!

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Oct 15 04:42:18 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:42:18 +0100
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No reason given?

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct 15 05:14:32 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:14:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Cup paper cups
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Splendid, Robin. BBC paper cups turned up all over the world wherever film crews travelled. A cup was part of the kit and a shot was taken for the editors to incorporate in the Christmas tape funnies!

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From: R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1
Sent: 15 October 2021 09:29
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Cup

Dear All,

I've been going through my Dad's things, and I found some wonderful pictures featuring BBC paper cups. Inspired by the aesthetic, I've made my own. I attach a picture, hoping it will make someone smile.

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Robin

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct 15 05:29:21 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:29:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week
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I think it was steelworkers or similar who were permitted 8 pints of beer a day to replace liquid sweated out during their shift.

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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 14 October 2021 22:06
To: dave.mdv; Graeme Wall; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 12 units per week

Back in KA days, my diary reported a visit to the BBC Club for a lunchtime 
break then a return at the end(ish) of the days work before driving home.
Ah those were the days!
What drink and drive? never!

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 9:26 PM
To: Graeme Wall ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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When this all started the recommendation was no more than  28 units per
week, a figure a colleague suggested that had been plucked out of the
air as there was no medical science behind it. Then they chopped it by
half to 14. Chatting to my mates in the pub today, most admitted that
they exceeded that so-called limit every day! They are all well and
healthy and enjoying life! When we had a medical check-up at Kendal
Avenue (the OB base) we were asked about drinking. A rigger told the
medics that his intake was 7 pints, the medic said 'was that per week'
and the rigger said 'no, each day!' So that was how it was . Cheers,
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Oct 15 05:51:51 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:51:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 12 units per week
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Also, if you believe William Hague, draymen.
? 
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> On 15 Oct 2021, at 11:29, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it was steelworkers or similar who were permitted 8 pints of beer a day to replace liquid sweated out during their shift.
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
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> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
> Sent: 14 October 2021 22:06
> To: dave.mdv; Graeme Wall; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] 12 units per week
>  
> Back in KA days, my diary reported a visit to the BBC Club for a lunchtime 
> break then a return at the end(ish) of the days work before driving home.
> Ah those were the days!
> What drink and drive? never!
>  
> Mike
>  
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 9:26 PM
> To: Graeme Wall ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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>  
> When this all started the recommendation was no more than  28 units per
> week, a figure a colleague suggested that had been plucked out of the
> air as there was no medical science behind it. Then they chopped it by
> half to 14. Chatting to my mates in the pub today, most admitted that
> they exceeded that so-called limit every day! They are all well and
> healthy and enjoying life! When we had a medical check-up at Kendal
> Avenue (the OB base) we were asked about drinking. A rigger told the
> medics that his intake was 7 pints, the medic said 'was that per week'
> and the rigger said 'no, each day!' So that was how it was . Cheers,
> hic, Dave
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 15 07:11:09 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:11:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Repair Shop
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It's a prog I look forward to. Being one of those who gets satisfaction 
out of fixing things. And love to watch those more skilled than me at 
work. And pick up some tips.

But this week's one seemed to major on the back stories of the objects 
and their owners. Leaving not enough time to cover the actual 
restorations properly.

It's obviously quicker and cheaper to film/edit talking heads than cover 
the work. And puts it into the same strain as so many other 'DIY' progs, 
where talk is cheaper than showing how it is done. Perhaps to appeal to 
those with no real interest in the actual subject. So plenty 'human 
interest' for them.

Other thing that annoys are the constant cutaways to work nothing to do 
with any of the current projects. From other episodes.

I do realise it takes time and money to make this sort of prog to 
satisfy anoraks like me. But then there seems to be plenty money to make 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 07:14:32 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
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That's why Edd China dropped out of Wheeler Dealers. Not enough car fixing
action

B

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 13:11 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> It's a prog I look forward to. Being one of those who gets satisfaction
> out of fixing things. And love to watch those more skilled than me at
> work. And pick up some tips.
>
> But this week's one seemed to major on the back stories of the objects
> and their owners. Leaving not enough time to cover the actual
> restorations properly.
>
> It's obviously quicker and cheaper to film/edit talking heads than cover
> the work. And puts it into the same strain as so many other 'DIY' progs,
> where talk is cheaper than showing how it is done. Perhaps to appeal to
> those with no real interest in the actual subject. So plenty 'human
> interest' for them.
>
> Other thing that annoys are the constant cutaways to work nothing to do
> with any of the current projects. From other episodes.
>
> I do realise it takes time and money to make this sort of prog to
> satisfy anoraks like me. But then there seems to be plenty money to make
> progs I've no interest in.
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 15 08:02:02 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:02:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Repair Shop
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Wondering how much of the dirty work did Ed China & Mike Brewer actually carry out on the cars themselves ?

?.I should think probably very little when the cameras were switched off, as with most celebrities. 

One of the cars featured had a 10/10 paint job but underneath was nothing more than a very quick tart-up. 
Same sort of telly as the house makeover shows. 

Steve 


> On 15 Oct 2021, at 13:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That's why Edd China dropped out of Wheeler Dealers. Not enough car fixing action
> 
> B
> 
>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 13:11 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> It's a prog I look forward to. Being one of those who gets satisfaction 
>> out of fixing things. And love to watch those more skilled than me at 
>> work. And pick up some tips.
>> 
>> But this week's one seemed to major on the back stories of the objects 
>> and their owners. Leaving not enough time to cover the actual 
>> restorations properly.
>> 
>> It's obviously quicker and cheaper to film/edit talking heads than cover 
>> the work. And puts it into the same strain as so many other 'DIY' progs, 
>> where talk is cheaper than showing how it is done. Perhaps to appeal to 
>> those with no real interest in the actual subject. So plenty 'human 
>> interest' for them.
>> 
>> Other thing that annoys are the constant cutaways to work nothing to do 
>> with any of the current projects. From other episodes.
>> 
>> I do realise it takes time and money to make this sort of prog to 
>> satisfy anoraks like me. But then there seems to be plenty money to make 
>> progs I've no interest in.
>> 
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Oct 15 08:02:12 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:02:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Repair Shop
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I started off liking this programme a lot, but for me at any rate, it?s gone off in the wrong direction. Now the emphasis is too much on targeting the contributors? emotions - the more tears the better. And that?s often uncomfortably intrusive. Time to drop it altogether now in my view, unless of course, they can re-focus on the actual repair craftsmanship and know-how. 
But I suppose to a lot of joe public who lack practical or creative interests, that would be too boring.
And I often think that a much treasured inherited item that shows visible evidence of wear and tear, even neglect, loses its historic appeal when it suddenly looks like brand new.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 15 Oct 2021, at 13:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?It's a prog I look forward to. Being one of those who gets satisfaction out of fixing things. And love to watch those more skilled than me at work. And pick up some tips.
> 
> But this week's one seemed to major on the back stories of the objects and their owners. Leaving not enough time to cover the actual restorations properly.
> 
> It's obviously quicker and cheaper to film/edit talking heads than cover the work. And puts it into the same strain as so many other 'DIY' progs, where talk is cheaper than showing how it is done. Perhaps to appeal to those with no real interest in the actual subject. So plenty 'human interest' for them.
> 
> Other thing that annoys are the constant cutaways to work nothing to do with any of the current projects. From other episodes.
> 
> I do realise it takes time and money to make this sort of prog to satisfy anoraks like me. But then there seems to be plenty money to make progs I've no interest in.
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 08:18:47 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:18:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Repair Shop
In-Reply-To: <E62AE1EF-7A26-46C2-A77C-DF73E0316F8E@btinternet.com>
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It's worth watching Edd China on his YouTube channel. It's all a bit of a
mess, but he spends a lot of time with a spanner or whatever in his hand.

B

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 14:02 Steve Edwards, <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Wondering how much of the dirty work did Ed China & Mike Brewer actually
> carry out on the cars themselves ?
>
> ?.I should think probably very little when the cameras were switched off,
> as with most celebrities.
>
> One of the cars featured had a 10/10 paint job but underneath was nothing
> more than a very quick tart-up.
> Same sort of telly as the house makeover shows.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 15 Oct 2021, at 13:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> That's why Edd China dropped out of Wheeler Dealers. Not enough car fixing
> action
>
> B
>
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 13:11 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> It's a prog I look forward to. Being one of those who gets satisfaction
>> out of fixing things. And love to watch those more skilled than me at
>> work. And pick up some tips.
>>
>> But this week's one seemed to major on the back stories of the objects
>> and their owners. Leaving not enough time to cover the actual
>> restorations properly.
>>
>> It's obviously quicker and cheaper to film/edit talking heads than cover
>> the work. And puts it into the same strain as so many other 'DIY' progs,
>> where talk is cheaper than showing how it is done. Perhaps to appeal to
>> those with no real interest in the actual subject. So plenty 'human
>> interest' for them.
>>
>> Other thing that annoys are the constant cutaways to work nothing to do
>> with any of the current projects. From other episodes.
>>
>> I do realise it takes time and money to make this sort of prog to
>> satisfy anoraks like me. But then there seems to be plenty money to make
>> progs I've no interest in.
>>
>>
>>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 15 08:24:43 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:24:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Repair Shop
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Not really noticed a trend, until this week's one. Dunno if there's been 
a change in the production team. It's the sort of prog that needs 
enthusiasts in charge. Could be moving it to peak time was a mistake. 
Different audience.

On 15/10/2021 14:02, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I started off liking this programme a lot, but for me at any rate, it?s gone off in the wrong direction. Now the emphasis is too much on targeting the contributors? emotions - the more tears the better. And that?s often uncomfortably intrusive. Time to drop it altogether now in my view, unless of course, they can re-focus on the actual repair craftsmanship and know-how.
> But I suppose to a lot of joe public who lack practical or creative interests, that would be too boring.
> And I often think that a much treasured inherited item that shows visible evidence of wear and tear, even neglect, loses its historic appeal when it suddenly looks like brand new.
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 15 Oct 2021, at 13:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?It's a prog I look forward to. Being one of those who gets satisfaction out of fixing things. And love to watch those more skilled than me at work. And pick up some tips.
>>
>> But this week's one seemed to major on the back stories of the objects and their owners. Leaving not enough time to cover the actual restorations properly.
>>
>> It's obviously quicker and cheaper to film/edit talking heads than cover the work. And puts it into the same strain as so many other 'DIY' progs, where talk is cheaper than showing how it is done. Perhaps to appeal to those with no real interest in the actual subject. So plenty 'human interest' for them.
>>
>> Other thing that annoys are the constant cutaways to work nothing to do with any of the current projects. From other episodes.
>>
>> I do realise it takes time and money to make this sort of prog to satisfy anoraks like me. But then there seems to be plenty money to make progs I've no interest in.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct 15 08:43:28 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:43:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Repair Shop
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I worked on a series of car shows for Ch5 where they sometimes featured second hand cars.  On one occasion, the expert had chosen a small car ( possibly a sporty little Peugeot ) as his choice of a good quality bargain.  While we were filming the sequence there was a loud clonk and the wing mirror fell off.  The previous owner had stuck it in place with BluTack.

Similarly on those shows where they make-over a place in three days, absolutely nothing is done unless it appears in shot.  The nicely stained floor is only stained where it?s visible, the bit under the rug is left bare.  Painting is also patchy, bits that you or I would paint are left.  Forget undercoating or priming.  Outside, treated timber gets cut to size, but the cut ends are left as they are.  After the three day filming, a sensible owner would be well advised to get a bunch of tradesmen in to do the job properly.

Having said all that, real life isn?t much better. I recently had a kitchen fitted by a guy who takes a lot of care and did a very high quality job, but there seems to be an unwritten rule that all tradesmen are obliged to mess up work by others.  The newly painted kitchen door got splattered with tile adhesive.  The burglar alarm control box was plastered up the sides so that it now looks impossible to undo the screw to open it. Outside, the garden took quite a hit from items being left on the grass and sawdust or tile dust from work done. The wooden floor in the dining room now has deep scratches which weren?t there before and will need re-sanding, but the saving grace is that it needed re-sanding for other reasons anyway.  However, everything about the kitchen itself ended up almost perfect.  At times I was reminded of Flanders and Swann singing the Gas Man Cometh. 

Alan Taylor

> On 15 Oct 2021, at 14:02, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Wondering how much of the dirty work did Ed China & Mike Brewer actually carry out on the cars themselves ?
> 
> ?.I should think probably very little when the cameras were switched off, as with most celebrities. 
> 
> One of the cars featured had a 10/10 paint job but underneath was nothing more than a very quick tart-up. 
> Same sort of telly as the house makeover shows. 
> 
> Steve 
> 
> 
>>> On 15 Oct 2021, at 13:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> That's why Edd China dropped out of Wheeler Dealers. Not enough car fixing action
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021, 13:11 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It's a prog I look forward to. Being one of those who gets satisfaction 
>>> out of fixing things. And love to watch those more skilled than me at 
>>> work. And pick up some tips.
>>> 
>>> But this week's one seemed to major on the back stories of the objects 
>>> and their owners. Leaving not enough time to cover the actual 
>>> restorations properly.
>>> 
>>> It's obviously quicker and cheaper to film/edit talking heads than cover 
>>> the work. And puts it into the same strain as so many other 'DIY' progs, 
>>> where talk is cheaper than showing how it is done. Perhaps to appeal to 
>>> those with no real interest in the actual subject. So plenty 'human 
>>> interest' for them.
>>> 
>>> Other thing that annoys are the constant cutaways to work nothing to do 
>>> with any of the current projects. From other episodes.
>>> 
>>> I do realise it takes time and money to make this sort of prog to 
>>> satisfy anoraks like me. But then there seems to be plenty money to make 
>>> progs I've no interest in.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 16:50:44 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:50:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Your The Broadcaster booking has been cancelled
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Well, we had to be in the area, so we went there when it opened at 
1600.? In Pauline's words -? "A complete and utter dead loss".?? It has 
no atmosphere, and the only connection to broadcasting is the name, and 
the fact that it obscures the front of TC1.

There'll be no Disorganised there.

B



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From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 16 02:18:36 2021
From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
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We've had similar visitors too, Dave...

John Nottage

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 03:34:16 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 09:34:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
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Lucky you to have a hedgehog, we have plenty of foxes, badgers, deer and are overrun by rabbits but sadly none of them. 
It?s raining here and for some reason it stirs up the bluetits that are flitting vigorously about all over the box bushes, though what they?re getting from them, insects or seed I?d like to know,
Geoff Hawkes

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
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> On 14/10/2021 10:32, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 16 04:56:39 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:56:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
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The pic of the fox and hedgehog is excellent.

We get a fair few hedgehogs and the occasional fox, but our favourite visitor is a rather portly toad ( who we call Arnold Toadie - a nod to a Box of Delights character called Arnold of Todi ), who patrols the vegetable patch dealing with slugs and various insects.  He ( or she? - How do you tell? ) seems to live under one of the raised beds which were made from large crates used for shipping limestone paving slabs for our patio.

I built a hedgehog house some years ago but the hedgehogs appear to prefer living rough, r maybe a neighbour built a more luxurious hedgehog house. I made a few stacks of logs and twiggy stuff to create habitats for insects and small beasties. We don?t see much in the way of beasties, but creatures who eat beasties certainly take a lot of interest in them

One thing which surprises me is how many frogs and dragonflies we see in the garden.  We don?t have a pond and I don?t think any of our neighbours do.  The nearest natural water is a lake a couple of hundred metres away, but we frequently see baby frogs as well as adults.

Alan Taylor

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct 16 05:37:22 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:37:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
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Is it now open season for 'seen in our back garden' photos? Although I have 
a Bushnell Naturecam I'm lazy about setting it up and can't match the hog 
and fox pairing so have more to show from daytime shots. Attached from  two 
months ago trying out my new camera.

Dave Newbitt.

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!

The pic of the fox and hedgehog is excellent.

We get a fair few hedgehogs and the occasional fox, but our favourite 
visitor is a rather portly toad ( who we call Arnold Toadie - a nod to a Box 
of Delights character called Arnold of Todi ), who patrols the vegetable 
patch dealing with slugs and various insects.  He ( or she? - How do you 
tell? ) seems to live under one of the raised beds which were made from 
large crates used for shipping limestone paving slabs for our patio.

I built a hedgehog house some years ago but the hedgehogs appear to prefer 
living rough, r maybe a neighbour built a more luxurious hedgehog house. I 
made a few stacks of logs and twiggy stuff to create habitats for insects 
and small beasties. We don?t see much in the way of beasties, but creatures 
who eat beasties certainly take a lot of interest in them

One thing which surprises me is how many frogs and dragonflies we see in the 
garden.  We don?t have a pond and I don?t think any of our neighbours do. 
The nearest natural water is a lake a couple of hundred metres away, but we 
frequently see baby frogs as well as adults.

Alan Taylor

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
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> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
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>> One of our nightly visitors! Cheers, Dave
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 16 05:43:33 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:43:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
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Was it grubbing about in the lawn trying to eat cranefly larvae ?  We get that happening in the summer.

Alan Taylor

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 11:37, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Is it now open season for 'seen in our back garden' photos? Although I have a Bushnell Naturecam I'm lazy about setting it up and can't match the hog and fox pairing so have more to show from daytime shots. Attached from  two months ago trying out my new camera.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 10:56 AM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
> 
> The pic of the fox and hedgehog is excellent.
> 
> We get a fair few hedgehogs and the occasional fox, but our favourite visitor is a rather portly toad ( who we call Arnold Toadie - a nod to a Box of Delights character called Arnold of Todi ), who patrols the vegetable patch dealing with slugs and various insects.  He ( or she? - How do you tell? ) seems to live under one of the raised beds which were made from large crates used for shipping limestone paving slabs for our patio.
> 
> I built a hedgehog house some years ago but the hedgehogs appear to prefer living rough, r maybe a neighbour built a more luxurious hedgehog house. I made a few stacks of logs and twiggy stuff to create habitats for insects and small beasties. We don?t see much in the way of beasties, but creatures who eat beasties certainly take a lot of interest in them
> 
> One thing which surprises me is how many frogs and dragonflies we see in the garden.  We don?t have a pond and I don?t think any of our neighbours do. The nearest natural water is a lake a couple of hundred metres away, but we frequently see baby frogs as well as adults.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
>> 
>> John Nottage
>> 
>>>> On 14/10/2021 10:32, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>> One of our nightly visitors! Cheers, Dave
>> <Hog and Fox nose to nose.jpg>
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 16 05:51:05 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:51:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
Message-ID: <63ECC536-CA1C-4CCD-BD99-052FC34AEAC0@btinternet.com>

??..and our wild pheasant friend -

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Steve
*Please note I am NOT a pheasant plucker*

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 11:38, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Is it now open season for 'seen in our back garden' photos? Although I have a Bushnell Naturecam I'm lazy about setting it up and can't match the hog and fox pairing so have more to show from daytime shots. Attached from  two months ago trying out my new camera.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 10:56 AM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
> 
> The pic of the fox and hedgehog is excellent.
> 
> We get a fair few hedgehogs and the occasional fox, but our favourite visitor is a rather portly toad ( who we call Arnold Toadie - a nod to a Box of Delights character called Arnold of Todi ), who patrols the vegetable patch dealing with slugs and various insects.  He ( or she? - How do you tell? ) seems to live under one of the raised beds which were made from large crates used for shipping limestone paving slabs for our patio.
> 
> I built a hedgehog house some years ago but the hedgehogs appear to prefer living rough, r maybe a neighbour built a more luxurious hedgehog house. I made a few stacks of logs and twiggy stuff to create habitats for insects and small beasties. We don?t see much in the way of beasties, but creatures who eat beasties certainly take a lot of interest in them
> 
> One thing which surprises me is how many frogs and dragonflies we see in the garden.  We don?t have a pond and I don?t think any of our neighbours do. The nearest natural water is a lake a couple of hundred metres away, but we frequently see baby frogs as well as adults.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
>> John Nottage
>>>> On 14/10/2021 10:32, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>> One of our nightly visitors! Cheers, Dave
>> <Hog and Fox nose to nose.jpg>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct 16 06:02:51 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 12:02:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
In-Reply-To: <A62A9F76-ED96-4D23-A690-E7720094FD0F@me.com>
References: <1DF98241EC9A483FBC9F4D018D95E900@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<A62A9F76-ED96-4D23-A690-E7720094FD0F@me.com>
Message-ID: <EE936C64E20D492DACBB93EEFEEBF511@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

90% of the time it's ants they're after. We have masses of ants nests and so 
have a permanent attraction for these Woodpeckers.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:43 AM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!

Was it grubbing about in the lawn trying to eat cranefly larvae ?  We get 
that happening in the summer.

Alan Taylor

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 11:37, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
>
> ?Is it now open season for 'seen in our back garden' photos? Although I 
> have a Bushnell Naturecam I'm lazy about setting it up and can't match the 
> hog and fox pairing so have more to show from daytime shots. Attached from 
> two months ago trying out my new camera.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 10:56 AM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
>
> The pic of the fox and hedgehog is excellent.
>
> We get a fair few hedgehogs and the occasional fox, but our favourite 
> visitor is a rather portly toad ( who we call Arnold Toadie - a nod to a 
> Box of Delights character called Arnold of Todi ), who patrols the 
> vegetable patch dealing with slugs and various insects.  He ( or she? - 
> How do you tell? ) seems to live under one of the raised beds which were 
> made from large crates used for shipping limestone paving slabs for our 
> patio.
>
> I built a hedgehog house some years ago but the hedgehogs appear to prefer 
> living rough, r maybe a neighbour built a more luxurious hedgehog house. I 
> made a few stacks of logs and twiggy stuff to create habitats for insects 
> and small beasties. We don?t see much in the way of beasties, but 
> creatures who eat beasties certainly take a lot of interest in them
>
> One thing which surprises me is how many frogs and dragonflies we see in 
> the garden.  We don?t have a pond and I don?t think any of our neighbours 
> do. The nearest natural water is a lake a couple of hundred metres away, 
> but we frequently see baby frogs as well as adults.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
>>
>> John Nottage
>>
>>>> On 14/10/2021 10:32, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>> One of our nightly visitors! Cheers, Dave
>> <Hog and Fox nose to nose.jpg>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct 16 06:11:16 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 12:11:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
In-Reply-To: <63ECC536-CA1C-4CCD-BD99-052FC34AEAC0@btinternet.com>
References: <63ECC536-CA1C-4CCD-BD99-052FC34AEAC0@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <696B30B5FC8E4B18BAB5065D441BD879@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Think you've got yourself a wised-up pheasant there Steve. We used to live 
cheek by jowl with a pheasant rearing enterprise for the local shoot and 20 
or so in the garden was pretty regular. All 20 of them put together had less 
brain than yours appears to possess. I think I posted a few shots of them 
some considerable while ago so won't bore you again.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Edwards
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:51 AM
To: David Newbitt
Cc: Alan Taylor ; tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!

?..and our wild pheasant friend -









Steve
*Please note I am NOT a pheasant plucker*

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 11:38, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?Is it now open season for 'seen in our back garden' photos? Although I 
> have a Bushnell Naturecam I'm lazy about setting it up and can't match the 
> hog and fox pairing so have more to show from daytime shots. Attached from 
> two months ago trying out my new camera.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 10:56 AM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
>
> The pic of the fox and hedgehog is excellent.
>
> We get a fair few hedgehogs and the occasional fox, but our favourite 
> visitor is a rather portly toad ( who we call Arnold Toadie - a nod to a 
> Box of Delights character called Arnold of Todi ), who patrols the 
> vegetable patch dealing with slugs and various insects.  He ( or she? - 
> How do you tell? ) seems to live under one of the raised beds which were 
> made from large crates used for shipping limestone paving slabs for our 
> patio.
>
> I built a hedgehog house some years ago but the hedgehogs appear to prefer 
> living rough, r maybe a neighbour built a more luxurious hedgehog house. I 
> made a few stacks of logs and twiggy stuff to create habitats for insects 
> and small beasties. We don?t see much in the way of beasties, but 
> creatures who eat beasties certainly take a lot of interest in them
>
> One thing which surprises me is how many frogs and dragonflies we see in 
> the garden.  We don?t have a pond and I don?t think any of our neighbours 
> do. The nearest natural water is a lake a couple of hundred metres away, 
> but we frequently see baby frogs as well as adults.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
>> John Nottage
>>>> On 14/10/2021 10:32, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>> One of our nightly visitors! Cheers, Dave
>> <Hog and Fox nose to nose.jpg>
>> --
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>
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> <Juvenile Green Woodpecker Aug 2021.jpg>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 16 06:33:23 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:33:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
In-Reply-To: <696B30B5FC8E4B18BAB5065D441BD879@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <63ECC536-CA1C-4CCD-BD99-052FC34AEAC0@btinternet.com>
	<696B30B5FC8E4B18BAB5065D441BD879@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981DA447CE75A2AAD459030A7BA9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Just for fun, Google ? headless chicken ?. There?s something they can do that none of us can! (No, not laying eggs!)
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 12:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Think you've got yourself a wised-up pheasant there Steve. We used to live cheek by jowl with a pheasant rearing enterprise for the local shoot and 20 or so in the garden was pretty regular. All 20 of them put together had less brain than yours appears to possess. I think I posted a few shots of them some considerable while ago so won't bore you again.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Edwards
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:51 AM
> To: David Newbitt
> Cc: Alan Taylor ; tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
> 
> ?..and our wild pheasant friend -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve
> *Please note I am NOT a pheasant plucker*
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 11:38, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Is it now open season for 'seen in our back garden' photos? Although I have a Bushnell Naturecam I'm lazy about setting it up and can't match the hog and fox pairing so have more to show from daytime shots. Attached from two months ago trying out my new camera.
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 10:56 AM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
>> 
>> The pic of the fox and hedgehog is excellent.
>> 
>> We get a fair few hedgehogs and the occasional fox, but our favourite visitor is a rather portly toad ( who we call Arnold Toadie - a nod to a Box of Delights character called Arnold of Todi ), who patrols the vegetable patch dealing with slugs and various insects.  He ( or she? - How do you tell? ) seems to live under one of the raised beds which were made from large crates used for shipping limestone paving slabs for our patio.
>> 
>> I built a hedgehog house some years ago but the hedgehogs appear to prefer living rough, r maybe a neighbour built a more luxurious hedgehog house. I made a few stacks of logs and twiggy stuff to create habitats for insects and small beasties. We don?t see much in the way of beasties, but creatures who eat beasties certainly take a lot of interest in them
>> 
>> One thing which surprises me is how many frogs and dragonflies we see in the garden.  We don?t have a pond and I don?t think any of our neighbours do. The nearest natural water is a lake a couple of hundred metres away, but we frequently see baby frogs as well as adults.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
>>> John Nottage
>>>>> On 14/10/2021 10:32, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> One of our nightly visitors! Cheers, Dave
>>> <Hog and Fox nose to nose.jpg>
>>> --
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 16 10:24:12 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 16:24:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
In-Reply-To: <696B30B5FC8E4B18BAB5065D441BD879@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <63ECC536-CA1C-4CCD-BD99-052FC34AEAC0@btinternet.com>
	<696B30B5FC8E4B18BAB5065D441BD879@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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This is from Hammersmith!
someone nicked my Amazon parcel!

Some fox


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> On 16 Oct 2021, at 12:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Think you've got yourself a wised-up pheasant there Steve. We used to live cheek by jowl with a pheasant rearing enterprise for the local shoot and 20 or so in the garden was pretty regular. All 20 of them put together had less brain than yours appears to possess. I think I posted a few shots of them some considerable while ago so won't bore you again.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Edwards
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:51 AM
> To: David Newbitt
> Cc: Alan Taylor ; tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
> 
> ?..and our wild pheasant friend -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve
> *Please note I am NOT a pheasant plucker*
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 11:38, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Is it now open season for 'seen in our back garden' photos? Although I have a Bushnell Naturecam I'm lazy about setting it up and can't match the hog and fox pairing so have more to show from daytime shots. Attached from two months ago trying out my new camera.
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 10:56 AM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A hungry Fox!
>> 
>> The pic of the fox and hedgehog is excellent.
>> 
>> We get a fair few hedgehogs and the occasional fox, but our favourite visitor is a rather portly toad ( who we call Arnold Toadie - a nod to a Box of Delights character called Arnold of Todi ), who patrols the vegetable patch dealing with slugs and various insects.  He ( or she? - How do you tell? ) seems to live under one of the raised beds which were made from large crates used for shipping limestone paving slabs for our patio.
>> 
>> I built a hedgehog house some years ago but the hedgehogs appear to prefer living rough, r maybe a neighbour built a more luxurious hedgehog house. I made a few stacks of logs and twiggy stuff to create habitats for insects and small beasties. We don?t see much in the way of beasties, but creatures who eat beasties certainly take a lot of interest in them
>> 
>> One thing which surprises me is how many frogs and dragonflies we see in the garden.  We don?t have a pond and I don?t think any of our neighbours do. The nearest natural water is a lake a couple of hundred metres away, but we frequently see baby frogs as well as adults.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 08:19, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?We've had similar visitors too, Dave...
>>> John Nottage
>>>>> On 14/10/2021 10:32, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> One of our nightly visitors! Cheers, Dave
>>> <Hog and Fox nose to nose.jpg>
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Sun Oct 17 03:59:03 2021
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 08:59:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Manual Handing
In-Reply-To: <EE936C64E20D492DACBB93EEFEEBF511@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <1DF98241EC9A483FBC9F4D018D95E900@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Dear All,

I'm going through my Dad's videos of his time at the BBC. I came across a video demonstrating Manual Handing. It's got some great shots of the cameras and other gear, not to mention TV Centre.

Enjoy: https://we.tl/t-HfNqSnTJ5S

Best wishes,

Robin


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Oct 17 04:00:37 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 10:00:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Manual Handing
In-Reply-To: <LO0P265MB3948FE4A46D8B1F64AD06E73BCBB9@LO0P265MB3948.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1DF98241EC9A483FBC9F4D018D95E900@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Message-ID: <723CC153-25A3-48C6-97D3-BB9B559F4D87@icloud.com>

Thank you very much for posting this.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 17 Oct 2021, at 09:59, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm going through my Dad's videos of his time at the BBC. I came across a video demonstrating Manual Handing. It's got some great shots of the cameras and other gear, not to mention TV Centre.
> 
> Enjoy: https://we.tl/t-HfNqSnTJ5S
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Oct 17 09:43:38 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 15:43:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Manual Handing
In-Reply-To: <LO0P265MB3948FE4A46D8B1F64AD06E73BCBB9@LO0P265MB3948.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1DF98241EC9A483FBC9F4D018D95E900@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><A62A9F76-ED96-4D23-A690-E7720094FD0F@me.com><EE936C64E20D492DACBB93EEFEEBF511@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Great stuff! Wonder what Dudley?s recollections of this might be. No appearance money one presumes (all in a day?s work)!

Dave Newbitt.

From: R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 9:59 AM
To: tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] Manual Handing

Dear All,

I'm going through my Dad's videos of his time at the BBC. I came across a video demonstrating Manual Handing. It's got some great shots of the cameras and other gear, not to mention TV Centre.

Enjoy: https://we.tl/t-HfNqSnTJ5S

Best wishes,

Robin




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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 10:40:21 +0100
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Oct 18 04:52:43 2021
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 10:52:43 +0100
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Wot ? no After Eight mint?

Dave Newbitt.

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 05:12:19 2021
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The three bottles of wine that cost them ?30,000 really did the most damage.



From: David Newbitt via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 10:52 AM
To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
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Wot ? no After Eight mint?

Dave Newbitt.

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Oct 18 05:30:13 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:30:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Not my bill, you understand
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Which philistine was drinking Red Bull?

Graeme Wall

> On 18 Oct 2021, at 11:13, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The three bottles of wine that cost them ?30,000 really did the most damage.
> 
>  
> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 10:52 AM
> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
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>  
> Wot ? no After Eight mint?
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 10:40 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Oct 18 05:46:40 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:46:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Not my bill, you understand
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How times change.  There was a time when a restaurateur would spend seven years learning their craft in the kitchen of a world famous chef. In recent years, restaurateurs might have a profound knowledge of a regional cuisine.

This latest celebrity restaurant is run by a guy who?s special skill is dressing up like a Bond villain, shaping his arm and hand into the Rod Hull Emu pose while dribbling salt down his arm onto a gold plated steak.

There are many things to wonder about this restaurant, but one of my more polite thoughts is whether the waiting staff receive all of the 15% service charge split between them?  If they do, some of them might be able to open their own restaurants soon.

Alan Taylor

> On 18 Oct 2021, at 11:13, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The three bottles of wine that cost them ?30,000 really did the most damage.
> 
>  
> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 10:52 AM
> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Not my bill, you understand
>  
> Wot ? no After Eight mint?
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 10:40 AM
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 19 09:55:27 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:55:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
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Borders seem to be in fashion these days. Not only in Ireland - or 
between it and the mainland - but in London too.

Took a load of garden waste down my local  'tip' today - and the last 
time I'll be allowed to do this. Why? On Monday the Ultra Low Emission 
Zone comes into force. Which cuts off the Wandsworth recycle centre (on 
the river) from the vast majority of the borough. And my car is too old 
to comply. But not old enough to be exempt.



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 19 09:59:37 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:59:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
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For some time, my local ?Community Recycling Centre? has a bloke on the gate, checking your postcode to see if you are actually entitled to dump your stuff.
No wonder fly tipping is vastly more popular!
Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 19 October 2021 15:55
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.

Borders seem to be in fashion these days. Not only in Ireland - or 
between it and the mainland - but in London too.

Took a load of garden waste down my local  'tip' today - and the last 
time I'll be allowed to do this. Why? On Monday the Ultra Low Emission 
Zone comes into force. Which cuts off the Wandsworth recycle centre (on 
the river) from the vast majority of the borough. And my car is too old 
to comply. But not old enough to be exempt.


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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 19 10:05:06 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:05:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
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'Ours' is much more sophisticated. You book a slot online (half hour 
window) and they have numberplate recognition cameras on the entrance. 
Quite a good system as it means no queue at busy times.

On 19/10/2021 15:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> For some time, my local ?Community Recycling Centre? has a bloke on 
> the gate, checking your postcode to see if you are actually entitled 
> to dump your stuff.
>
> No wonder fly tipping is vastly more popular!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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> *From: *Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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> *Subject: *[Tech1] London ULEZ.
>
> Borders seem to be in fashion these days. Not only in Ireland - or
>
> between it and the mainland - but in London too.
>
> Took a load of garden waste down my local 'tip' today - and the last
>
> time I'll be allowed to do this. Why? On Monday the Ultra Low Emission
>
> Zone comes into force. Which cuts off the Wandsworth recycle centre (on
>
> the river) from the vast majority of the borough. And my car is too old
>
> to comply. But not old enough to be exempt.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 19 10:27:34 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:27:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
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Cameras? BIG BROTHER again! OK to catch crimminalz, but for us law abiding folk?
My small estate suffers from local louts vaulting over the boundary walls as a short cut. Mentioned to local PCSO who?s first question was: did we have CCTV?
(No, but the walls are treated with anti-climb paint!)

Just watch a few Police Interceptor programmes ? TV dashcams are very useful, there!

Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 19 October 2021 16:05
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] London ULEZ.

'Ours' is much more sophisticated. You book a slot online (half hour window) and they have numberplate recognition cameras on the entrance. Quite a good system as it means no queue at busy times.
On 19/10/2021 15:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
For some time, my local ?Community Recycling Centre? has a bloke on the gate, checking your postcode to see if you are actually entitled to dump your stuff.
No wonder fly tipping is vastly more popular!
Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows
?
From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 19 October 2021 15:55
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
?
Borders seem to be in fashion these days. Not only in Ireland - or 
between it and the mainland - but in London too.
?
Took a load of garden waste down my local? 'tip' today - and the last 
time I'll be allowed to do this. Why? On Monday the Ultra Low Emission 
Zone comes into force. Which cuts off the Wandsworth recycle centre (on 
the river) from the vast majority of the borough. And my car is too old 
to comply. But not old enough to be exempt.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 11:04:13 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 17:04:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
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Here in West Byfleet we just drive in and a man asks what we've got so 
he can direct us to the right place.

B



On 19/10/2021 16:05, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> 'Ours' is much more sophisticated. You book a slot online (half hour 
> window) and they have numberplate recognition cameras on the entrance. 
> Quite a good system as it means no queue at busy times.
>
> On 19/10/2021 15:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> For some time, my local ?Community Recycling Centre? has a bloke on 
>> the gate, checking your postcode to see if you are actually entitled 
>> to dump your stuff.
>>
>> No wonder fly tipping is vastly more popular!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows
>>
>> *From: *Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *19 October 2021 15:55
>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject: *[Tech1] London ULEZ.
>>
>> Borders seem to be in fashion these days. Not only in Ireland - or
>>
>> between it and the mainland - but in London too.
>>
>> Took a load of garden waste down my local? 'tip' today - and the last
>>
>> time I'll be allowed to do this. Why? On Monday the Ultra Low Emission
>>
>> Zone comes into force. Which cuts off the Wandsworth recycle centre (on
>>
>> the river) from the vast majority of the borough. And my car is too old
>>
>> to comply. But not old enough to be exempt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Oct 19 11:30:25 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 17:30:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
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It?s much the same here in the Banbury area. There are three recycling centres a short drive away in different directions. Two are conventional tips while the third recycles serviceable stuff by selling it.

At either of the tips, you just turn up and all the containers are clearly labelled, but there are staff to point you in the right direction.  The staff at one tip are vastly more helpful than the staff at the other. There are no residency checks or booking systems and I can?t remember the last time I queued with more than one car in front of me - but I avoid weekends.

As it happens I was at the tip today, off-loading two builder?s bulk bags full of hedge clippings and a few bits of rubbish. I drove straight in and only about half of the parking bays were occupied. 

They have recently started charging nominal sums for dumping certain types of DIY waste because they have decreed that it?s not normal household waste. There are also a lot of specialised containers for things like cooking oil, printer cartridges or duvets. Every time I go I seem to notice a new category of items to recycle.

Alan Taylor

> On 19 Oct 2021, at 17:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Here in West Byfleet we just drive in and a man asks what we've got so he can direct us to the right place.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/10/2021 16:05, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> 'Ours' is much more sophisticated. You book a slot online (half hour window) and they have numberplate recognition cameras on the entrance. Quite a good system as it means no queue at busy times.
>> 
>> On 19/10/2021 15:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> For some time, my local ?Community Recycling Centre? has a bloke on the gate, checking your postcode to see if you are actually entitled to dump your stuff.
>>> No wonder fly tipping is vastly more popular!
>>> Pat
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>  
>>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
>>> Sent: 19 October 2021 15:55
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
>>>  
>>> Borders seem to be in fashion these days. Not only in Ireland - or
>>> between it and the mainland - but in London too.
>>>  
>>> Took a load of garden waste down my local  'tip' today - and the last
>>> time I'll be allowed to do this. Why? On Monday the Ultra Low Emission
>>> Zone comes into force. Which cuts off the Wandsworth recycle centre (on
>>> the river) from the vast majority of the borough. And my car is too old
>>> to comply. But not old enough to be exempt.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 19 13:05:23 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 19:05:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Manual Handing
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This woke up none-too-fondly memories of the 60?s.
Crew in LG ?D? for a ?split? day  i.e. a lunchtime programme, then nothing until rehearsal and line-up for ?Sky at Night?. I, as SA1 dismissed my guys, having totally missed a training event on correct lifting techniques for the afternoon. (Elf and Safety, again!). Thus, having been soundly knuckle rapped, I was required to attend another training session  and then impart the knowledge to my crew ? thus ensuring that I got it firmly entrenched. But I?ve now always remembered.
One occasion, in the film industry the cry went up to help manoeuvre an Elemack dolly up a spiral staircase. Wishing to help, I pitched in ? mistake. I put my back out and it took six months of chiropractic attention to restore. Thus, if the cry goes up for a pound or two, I vanish quickly in the opposite direction! 
Pat

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From: R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1
Sent: 17 October 2021 09:59
To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] Manual Handing

Dear All,

I'm going through my Dad's videos of his time at the BBC. I came across a video demonstrating?Manual Handing. It's got some great shots of the cameras and other gear, not to mention TV Centre.

Enjoy:?https://we.tl/t-HfNqSnTJ5S

Best wishes,

Robin





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From tuckergarth at me.com  Tue Oct 19 13:43:17 2021
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 19:43:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Waste
Message-ID: <3A5F9EE5-4AE2-4508-B359-AB5AC0854CB4@me.com>

We living in Twickenham, Borough of Richmond, are to be in a similar position Dave. Our Townmead Waste Centre is on the wrong side of the South Circular which will be the boundary line for the Low Emission Charge. Garth

From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Oct 19 17:25:22 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 23:25:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
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References: <16185da9-9d86-522a-2154-878ce0246c54@ntlworld.com>
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The Dorking tip only opens from Friday to Sunday and they?ve reduced the range of items they will accept. When it took everything and was open six days a week it was usually quite busy, but now it?s often quiet on the few days that it is open, largely I suspect because people have to go to Leatherhead to dispose of some items that Dorking used to take, so as they are going to a tip ( sorry, recycling centre) they take everything there, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that Dorking tip isn?t busy enough and can be closed permanently ~ what price reduced vehicle transmissions?

Mike G

> On 19 Oct 2021, at 17:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It?s much the same here in the Banbury area. There are three recycling centres a short drive away in different directions. Two are conventional tips while the third recycles serviceable stuff by selling it.
> 
> At either of the tips, you just turn up and all the containers are clearly labelled, but there are staff to point you in the right direction.  The staff at one tip are vastly more helpful than the staff at the other. There are no residency checks or booking systems and I can?t remember the last time I queued with more than one car in front of me - but I avoid weekends.
> 
> As it happens I was at the tip today, off-loading two builder?s bulk bags full of hedge clippings and a few bits of rubbish. I drove straight in and only about half of the parking bays were occupied. 
> 
> They have recently started charging nominal sums for dumping certain types of DIY waste because they have decreed that it?s not normal household waste. There are also a lot of specialised containers for things like cooking oil, printer cartridges or duvets. Every time I go I seem to notice a new category of items to recycle.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 19 Oct 2021, at 17:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Here in West Byfleet we just drive in and a man asks what we've got so he can direct us to the right place.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19/10/2021 16:05, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> 'Ours' is much more sophisticated. You book a slot online (half hour window) and they have numberplate recognition cameras on the entrance. Quite a good system as it means no queue at busy times.
>>> 
>>> On 19/10/2021 15:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> For some time, my local ?Community Recycling Centre? has a bloke on the gate, checking your postcode to see if you are actually entitled to dump your stuff.
>>>> No wonder fly tipping is vastly more popular!
>>>> Pat
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>>>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: 19 October 2021 15:55
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
>>>>  
>>>> Borders seem to be in fashion these days. Not only in Ireland - or 
>>>> between it and the mainland - but in London too.
>>>>  
>>>> Took a load of garden waste down my local  'tip' today - and the last 
>>>> time I'll be allowed to do this. Why? On Monday the Ultra Low Emission 
>>>> Zone comes into force. Which cuts off the Wandsworth recycle centre (on 
>>>> the river) from the vast majority of the borough. And my car is too old 
>>>> to comply. But not old enough to be exempt.
>>>>  
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct 20 05:24:36 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:24:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London ULEZ.
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This is reminiscent of the railway company which wanted to scrap a service, so did not list it in the timetables ? thus people did not travel on it and therefore it could be closed as not enough custom.

Pat

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From: M E GILES via Tech1
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To: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] London ULEZ.

creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that Dorking tip isn?t busy enough and can be closed permanently 
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From taylornigel at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 06:01:27 2021
From: taylornigel at hotmail.com (Nigel Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:01:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management
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In the late 90's, our management at TVC produced a monthly newsletter called 'Focus'. It always featured an article entitled 'The View From The Bridge', with a stylised drawing of the bows of a ship. Roger Bunce decided this was ripe for satire. It was at the time that BBC Resources was about to be hived off as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC . It was also the time that you could only purchase food and drink at the Elstree canteen using a prepaid card ('Girovend').

Clever chap, our Roger. I'm glad I kept a copy of this.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Oct 20 06:22:52 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:22:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management
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What an extraordinary standard of real wit. This guy was clearly in a class of his own for inventiveness, use of language, sharp observation and all round ability to make a point in an incredibly effective way. It is humbling to see such ability.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Nigel Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:01 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management

In the late 90's, our management at TVC produced a monthly newsletter called 'Focus'. It always featured an article entitled 'The View From The Bridge', with a stylised drawing of the bows of a ship. Roger Bunce decided this was ripe for satire. It was at the time that BBC Resources was about to be hived off as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC . It was also the time that you could only purchase food and drink at the Elstree canteen using a prepaid card ('Girovend').

Clever chap, our Roger. I'm glad I kept a copy of this.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct 20 06:25:35 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:25:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management
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I wonder if it was Roger who coined the quote:
?If the BBC didn?t have to make programmes, it would run on oiled wheels!?
(Circa the 60?s as I recall)

Pat

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From: Nigel Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 20 October 2021 12:01
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management

In the late 90's, our management at TVC produced a monthly newsletter called 'Focus'. It always featured an article entitled 'The View From The Bridge', with a stylised drawing of the bows of a ship. Roger Bunce decided this was ripe for satire. It was at the time that BBC Resources was about to be hived off as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC . It was also the time that you could only purchase food and drink at the Elstree canteen using a prepaid card ('Girovend').

Clever chap, our Roger. I'm glad I kept a copy of this.
Nigel Taylor



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From david.jasma at sky.com  Wed Oct 20 06:35:30 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:35:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v management
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Message-ID: <1eb41048-39f6-36ae-fbb0-9cd4deef1d0b@sky.com>

Did the reply from David Newbitt (and from Nigel) refer to an earlier 
email with a copy of Roger's version of the newsletter? If so I didn't 
get the original, which happens quite a lot.

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From david.jasma at sky.com  Wed Oct 20 06:50:03 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:50:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Refuse centres
References: <a1643869-b990-c6a9-1368-54cfd24e05dc.ref@sky.com>
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Here in Dumfries, the council introduced time slots (10 minutes a go 
with a maximum of three cars each slot) last year without much 
advertising. The first I knew was when we went to our local dump and an 
attendant asked if I had booked. When I asked what he meant he explained 
saying that it had been advertised on West Sound, the local independent 
station. My reply was, who listens to West Sound! In addition I hadn't 
seen anything in the local paper.

On my last visit, I had about 15 sacks of soil and rubble to dump. 
Although the staff on duty aren't allowed to assist you directly, when I 
said what I had, a barrier was moved to allow me to back the car to 
alongside the skip. While we were emptying the sacks, another chap 
dumping items, came and helped.

So far as I know the booking system is probably here to stay. To me this 
is just another way of controlling the masses and reducing local services.

On the other hand, the council introduced kerbside collections of 
paper/card and plastic bottles etc/cans a couple of months ago which has 
cut down the number of trips to the dump to re-cycle these items.

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Oct 20 08:00:46 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:00:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More BBC staff refusing to move to Birmingham and Glasgow
Message-ID: <3A788BC537164B738C9FCA3C42FA3B66@Gigabyte>

Excuse the long URL!

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/19/bbc-radio-1-newsbeat-staff-decline-relocate-birmingham

Not really surprising as it says. Also World Service business staff refusing to move and Technology not keen to move to Glasgow.

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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 08:28:39 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:28:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management
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As they say ?bloody brilliant? 
Sara

> On 20 Oct 2021, at 12:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> What an extraordinary standard of real wit. This guy was clearly in a class of his own for inventiveness, use of language, sharp observation and all round ability to make a point in an incredibly effective way. It is humbling to see such ability.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Nigel Taylor via Tech1 <>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:01 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <>
> Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management
>  
> In the late 90's, our management at TVC produced a monthly newsletter called 'Focus'. It always featured an article entitled 'The View From The Bridge', with a stylised drawing of the bows of a ship. Roger Bunce decided this was ripe for satire. It was at the time that BBC Resources was about to be hived off as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC . It was also the time that you could only purchase food and drink at the Elstree canteen using a prepaid card ('Girovend').
>  
> Clever chap, our Roger. I'm glad I kept a copy of this.
> Nigel Taylor
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Oct 20 08:32:38 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:32:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More BBC staff refusing to move to Birmingham and
 Glasgow
In-Reply-To: <3A788BC537164B738C9FCA3C42FA3B66@Gigabyte>
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Message-ID: <E65D825D-B2A1-4F81-A1F8-67D061943E58@me.com>

One of the details in that article is that production teams are required to relocate to Manchester or Glasgow, but management remains in London.

The production teams need to get access to contributors, many of which will be in the London area and I would imagine that relatively few contributors are conveniently located  for Manchester or Glasgow.  Of all the people who could do their job hundreds of miles away from London, management must be pretty high on that list.

Alan Taylor

> On 20 Oct 2021, at 14:01, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Excuse the long URL!
>  
> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/19/bbc-radio-1-newsbeat-staff-decline-relocate-birmingham
>  
> Not really surprising as it says. Also World Service business staff refusing to move and Technology not keen to move to Glasgow.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Oct 20 09:29:43 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:29:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More BBC staff refusing to move to Birmingham and
 Glasgow
In-Reply-To: <3A788BC537164B738C9FCA3C42FA3B66@Gigabyte>
References: <3A788BC537164B738C9FCA3C42FA3B66@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <17EED1A818F64D028C1A5C306A424280@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Does nothing ever change? Will nobody ever learn the lessons? It?s enough to make you weep.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:00 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] More BBC staff refusing to move to Birmingham and Glasgow

Excuse the long URL!

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/19/bbc-radio-1-newsbeat-staff-decline-relocate-birmingham

Not really surprising as it says. Also World Service business staff refusing to move and Technology not keen to move to Glasgow.

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct 20 09:37:57 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:37:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] More BBC staff refusing to move to Birmingham and
 Glasgow
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB198180E67B3E7641BE80B3B5A7BE9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?In case it?s useful, here?s a reminder of how to turn a long URL in to a short one.
Goto: Tinyurl.com > enter the long URL
The tinyurl for yours would be: tinyurl.com/3v3nvkhn

Dead easy to use, and free.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 20 Oct 2021, at 14:01, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Excuse the long URL!

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/19/bbc-radio-1-newsbeat-staff-decline-relocate-birmingham

Not really surprising as it says. Also World Service business staff refusing to move and Technology not keen to move to Glasgow.

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From davelebreton at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 20 10:09:05 2021
From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:09:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management
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Absolutely brilliant!  Made my day.

Dave LeB

From: Nigel Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:01 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management

In the late 90's, our management at TVC produced a monthly newsletter called 'Focus'. It always featured an article entitled 'The View From The Bridge', with a stylised drawing of the bows of a ship. Roger Bunce decided this was ripe for satire. It was at the time that BBC Resources was about to be hived off as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC . It was also the time that you could only purchase food and drink at the Elstree canteen using a prepaid card ('Girovend').

Clever chap, our Roger. I'm glad I kept a copy of this.
Nigel Taylor



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From relong at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 20 10:18:19 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:18:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More BBC staff refusing to move to Birmingham and
 Glasgow
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Strange organisation the beeb , forever expanding and contracting from its metropolitan base.
Looks like Whiteladies BH is doomed 
NHU is moving to a ?media hub ? in dock lands ?
All post is centred around the BH site.
Pebble Mill was knocked down and relocated to a cupboard in the jewellery centre .

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Oct 2021, at 15:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ?In case it?s useful, here?s a reminder of how to turn a long URL in to a short one.
> Goto: Tinyurl.com > enter the long URL
> The tinyurl for yours would be: tinyurl.com/3v3nvkhn
> 
> Dead easy to use, and free.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 20 Oct 2021, at 14:01, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Excuse the long URL!
>>  
>> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/19/bbc-radio-1-newsbeat-staff-decline-relocate-birmingham
>>  
>> Not really surprising as it says. Also World Service business staff refusing to move and Technology not keen to move to Glasgow.
>>  
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From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Wed Oct 20 11:08:03 2021
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:08:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
Message-ID: <1478714860.137470.1634746083055@apps.talktalk.co.uk>


I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in.

Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.


Doug Prior

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 11:34:48 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:34:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q

It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't 
work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging 
points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.

I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the 
technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week we really have to have 
them - and we do.

B


On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you 
> may be interested in.
>
> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>
>
> Doug Prior
>
> Sent from OX Mail
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 20 12:22:19 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:22:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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References: <1478714860.137470.1634746083055@apps.talktalk.co.uk>
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Has anyone calculated the extra generating capacity needed if we 
effectively stop using gas, petrol and diesel? And how long it will take 
to get it up and running? As I understand it, our generating capacity is 
marginal for current demand. Any reserve capacity has been diminished in 
recent years, despite all the wind power that's new.

On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>
> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff 
> won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough 
> charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.
>
> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the 
> technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week we really have to 
> have them - and we do.
>
> B
>
>
> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you 
>> may be interested in.
>>
>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>
>>
>> Doug Prior
>>
>> Sent from OX Mail
>>
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Oct 20 12:25:22 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:25:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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References: <1478714860.137470.1634746083055@apps.talktalk.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <f10c46f8-73b4-f7de-9ba2-d9fd12a351bc@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Heat pumps aren't rubbish.

Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the pig-ignorant 
British that are just beginning to catch up with the technology.

Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive heat 
inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the most 
ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky boxes and 
then complaining about the cost.

Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat 
energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they run 
for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is 
important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a 
relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable 
insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick them 
in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a 
problem, but it isn't the heat pump.

My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing 
exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that in 
a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be unheatable 
with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice being fed in.

As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes 
sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement piece 
of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part of the 
equation to be considered.

And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this 
whatsoever.


Chris Woolf


On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>
> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff 
> won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough 
> charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.
>
> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the 
> technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week we really have to 
> have them - and we do.
>
> B
>
>
> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you 
>> may be interested in.
>>
>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>
>>
>> Doug Prior
>>
>> Sent from OX Mail
>>
>
>

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Oct 20 13:03:43 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:03:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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I like the idea of green energy, but when you look at our house, the options start disappearing one by one.

At the moment we have an oil combi boiler which lives outside.  There is no gas in the village.  Electricity is via overhead cables which are already close to the limit of their capacity.  When the pub turns it?s ovens on or off, we get lights flickering.  The electricity supply people are concerned about the implications of more than a very few people deciding to install home chargers for electric cars. 

The whole village is a conservation area, which means that most changes to the external appearance are prohibited. We have what is laughingly called double glazing, but the panes are thin and just 4mm apart. It?s very difficult to get permission to change the glazing. With stone mullions, there are very few viable options anyway. Cavity wall insulation isn?t so good in the village because the rough stone walls use a traditional form of pointing which doesn?t readily lend itself to being neatly patched up.  Patched up bits looks rubbish and the council don?t like it. Solar panels on roofs are also forbidden. Even new installations of satellite dishes are sited so as not to be visible from the road.

I?ve insulated my roof with more than a foot of loft insulation and also built a trap door with about 150mm of insulation and rubber seals, so at least the roof is about as good as it?s going to be.

A heat pump would possibly work for background heating as the pipes are 15mm copper, but all the radiators are already double types, so increasing their rating would mean putting in physically larger ones. Electricity supply reliability and costs are the big worry. Hot water poses a challenge. There is no spare space for a cylinder, it would need a pump to provide enough pressure for the showers and the hot water plumbing is so minimal that new pipes would be needed if space for a cylinder could be found - ruining existing decor and possibly floors too.

Of all the options, using a green alternative to oil seems the only viable option, but the cost of that fuel is worrying. Kerosine heating oil varies wildly in price already. Over the course of six years, 1,000 litres of oil ( appx 11 months usage ) was initially ?500, has been as low as ?250 and as high as ?600. Hopefully our 80% full tank will see us through until oil prices stabilise. 

We also rely on a wood burner, which is another technology which is being targeted by the government.  I?m at a loss to understand why our modern, efficient wood burners are considered so bad when countries like Germany have them everywhere in towns and villages and use them so much more.  Germans are generally much more aware of environmental issues than we are and are much more aware than our government is. Germany seems to be much more interested in hydrogen, both for cars and for heating. 

The intentions of greening our heating systems sound good, but I have my doubts that the proposals are as workable as they would like them to be or that the money to fund them properly would be available when there are so many other demands for public money.

Alan Taylor



> On 20 Oct 2021, at 17:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
> 
> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.  
> 
> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.  This week we really have to have them - and we do.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in.
>> 
>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>> 
>> 
>> Doug Prior
>> 
>> Sent from OX Mail
>> 
>> 
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 20 13:10:00 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:10:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
In-Reply-To: <f10c46f8-73b4-f7de-9ba2-d9fd12a351bc@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <1478714860.137470.1634746083055@apps.talktalk.co.uk>
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Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but a 
heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for a 
ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the housing 
stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, this can be 
very difficult for much of our existing housing stock.

On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>
> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the 
> pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the 
> technology.
>
> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive 
> heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the 
> most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky 
> boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>
> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat 
> energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they 
> run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is 
> important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a 
> relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable 
> insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick 
> them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a 
> problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>
> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing 
> exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that 
> in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be 
> unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice 
> being fed in.
>
> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes 
> sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement 
> piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part 
> of the equation to be considered.
>
> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this 
> whatsoever.
>
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>
>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff 
>> won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough 
>> charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.
>>
>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing 
>> the technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week we really have 
>> to have them - and we do.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you 
>>> may be interested in.
>>>
>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug Prior
>>>
>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>
>>
>>
>
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Oct 20 13:23:10 2021
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:23:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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Dave

You don?t need large amounts of land for ground source heat pumps anymore (unlike when we built our house in 2005)
You can now use a vertical system where a deep bore hole is drilled and the pipe work goes in that.
When we built our house we put a lot of other eco friendly things in place including a grey water system that uses rainwater from the main house and garage roofs stored in a large tank that is used for the outside taps and for flushing WC?s and the washing machine.
We also installed early solar panels (hidden from view on the roof) which sadly have just failed 16 years later and were never terribly good anyway.
However, the one thing we couldn?t control was 6 children leaving every appliance and light switch on!!!

It was obviously easier building everything into a new house but at the time all the options we went for were more expensive than the less green option.

Have we saved money in the long run? Possibly, but at least we gave it a go!

Graham Maunder


Sent from my iPhone 

> On 20 Oct 2021, at 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock. 
> 
> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>> 
>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the technology. 
>> 
>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>> 
>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>> 
>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice being fed in.
>> 
>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.
>> 
>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this whatsoever.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>> 
>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.  
>>> 
>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.  This week we really have to have them - and we do.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in.
>>>> 
>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Doug Prior
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 20 14:25:19 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:25:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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Yes - I did know about going down as an alternative to area. But perhaps 
I should have added in access for the machinery to dig the hole. And 
what we really need is a heat pump capable of delivering hot water at 
the temperature current systems use. If I remember correctly, the costs 
of the rads and pipework here was about double that of the boiler. Let 
alone the disruption replacing them.

On 20/10/2021 19:23, Graham Maunder wrote:
> Dave
>
> You don?t need large amounts of land for ground source heat pumps 
> anymore (unlike when we built our house in 2005)
> You can now use a vertical system where a deep bore hole is drilled 
> and the pipe work goes in that.
> When we built our house we put a lot of other eco friendly things in 
> place including a grey water system that uses rainwater from the main 
> house and garage roofs stored in a large tank that is used for the 
> outside taps and for flushing WC?s and the washing machine.
> We also installed early solar panels (hidden from view on the roof) 
> which sadly have just failed 16 years later and were never terribly 
> good anyway.
> However, the one thing we couldn?t control was 6 children leaving 
> every appliance and light switch on!!!
>
> It was obviously easier building everything into a new house but at 
> the time all the options we went for were more expensive than the less 
> green option.
>
> Have we saved money in the long run? Possibly, but at least we gave it 
> a go!
>
> Graham Maunder
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 20 Oct 2021, at 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, 
>> but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land 
>> for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the 
>> housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, 
>> this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock.
>>
>> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>>
>>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the 
>>> pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the 
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive 
>>> heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the 
>>> most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky 
>>> boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>>
>>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat 
>>> energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they 
>>> run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is 
>>> important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a 
>>> relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with 
>>> acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If 
>>> you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home 
>>> you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>>
>>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing 
>>> exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does 
>>> that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be 
>>> unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice 
>>> being fed in.
>>>
>>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes 
>>> sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement 
>>> piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" 
>>> part of the equation to be considered.
>>>
>>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this 
>>> whatsoever.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>>
>>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff 
>>>> won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough 
>>>> charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing 
>>>> the technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week we really 
>>>> have to have them - and we do.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that 
>>>>> you may be interested in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:38:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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Would it be crass of me to say that the exchanges in this thread are in danger of becoming heated?

My basic question to those who decry attempts to contribute to solving a proven problem is ?What would you do instead?? If you have solutions, please let's have them, and I also agree that the government does not yet seem to have a proper handle on this, (or Covid, or the Irish border, etc., etc.,) for that matter, but the answer is definitely not the status quo. If a solution to some people?s situation doesn?t suit everybody, then that?s no reason to deny it to those who could use it to all our benefit. And if the problem is generating capacity, why are British Gas, (amongst others I believe), touting the prospect that they will soon be leasing electric cars, to encourage the use of electricity (Bernie) as a fuel for domestic cars. 

Open minds are always best and in the current scenario, procrastination will not only be the thief of time, but the thief of our descendants? prospects of the decent life that we have enjoyed ~ we really have been a blessed generation.

Here endeth the sermon ~ I am not on a mount, by the way, but I am very happy with our recently acquired PHEV, despite it?s limited range on battery ~ I think that regenerative braking is the greatest thing since sliced bread, except that I never did like sliced bread, especially not that awful stream-cooked cotton wool produced by the Chorley process ~ my only regret is that I was persuaded not to go the whole hog, but we do have the benefit of a generous drive and a 100amp feeder. Most of our journeys are fairly local and two or three hours of an evening tops it up from a (new) 13amp outlet in the garage, with no trace of overheating at the socket.

My other regret in this respect is that I didn?t know about Elon Musk?s solar roof tiles when we had our roof re-tiled a few years ago ~ we hate the sight of huge rectangular panels superimposed on rooves, but I wouldn?t have minded the Musk solution.

Mike G

> On 20 Oct 2021, at 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock. 
> 
> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>> 
>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the technology. 
>> 
>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>> 
>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>> 
>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice being fed in.
>> 
>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.
>> 
>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this whatsoever.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q>
>>> 
>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.  
>>> 
>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.  This week we really have to have them - and we do.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in.
>>>> 
>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Doug Prior
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:38:16 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 21:38:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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	<f10c46f8-73b4-f7de-9ba2-d9fd12a351bc@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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On 20/10/2021 20:38, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:
> to encourage the use of /electricity/ (Bernie) 

I'm all for green-ness, and moving on to sensible energy sources, but it 
would seem to be important to be pragmatic, without meaningless 
political hot air.? I live in an irregularly shaped late Victorian 
detached house in Surrey. If I bought an electric car I could easily 
charge it in our drive, unlike those in a Victorian terrace in London or 
most other cities..? But the house just isn't suitable to be 
comprehensively insulated, and we accepted that years ago.? We have some 
double glazing, and some secondary glazing, but we do have 28 windows, 
and solid walls.? It's a leaky house, and the only way to fix that is to 
knock it down and start again. So no heat pump, which may be wonderful 
in places where they are suitable, but not here.

Of course, with the most energy used by a car is in it's making, rather 
than buy an electric car, it's much more sensible to keep my 50,000 mile 
11 year old Toyota as long as possible. And I'll stick - if I last long 
enough - with my gas boiler, in the hope it will be able to be replaced 
with a either a hydrogen boiler or something not yet invented. Could be 
electricity, which we'd need anyway for hydrogen, but in order to do 
that we need to make much more reliable electricity - which doesn't fail 
when the wind stops blowing. So we should have got working on nuclear 
replacements for the power stations years ago. And we need to work on 
the distribution network - it isn't nearly powerful enough.

Meanwhile - heretical though it is - we need to frack and drill for gas 
and oil so that we don't have to rely on that nice President Putin. If 
we sensibly regard it as a stop gap, we can use it? to save ourselves 
lots of money that we can use to build SNR's, and maybe finally invent 
fusion.

B

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Oct 20 15:54:13 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 21:54:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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Of all the green energy technologies that we could be heavily investing in, the one we should be investing in is tidal power.  The British Isles experience unusually high tides and they are very predictable.  

Obviously you only get peak energy at a certain state of the tide, the particular state depends on how you harness that energy, but because high tide happens at different times around the UK, there is always somewhere experiencing the optimum tide, which would cancel out somewhere else with the least productive tidal state. Most other tidal generators would be operating at intermediate power at any given time.

Unlike wind or solar power, tidal power is predictable and reliable.

There are various ways to harness tidal power. I would support anything except tidal barrages across estuaries, which would have an adverse impact on the wildlife. 

Alan Taylor


> On 20 Oct 2021, at 21:38, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? 
> 
> On 20/10/2021 20:38, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:
>> to encourage the use of electricity (Bernie)
> 
> I'm all for green-ness, and moving on to sensible energy sources, but it would seem to be important to be pragmatic, without meaningless political hot air.  I live in an irregularly shaped late Victorian detached house in Surrey. If I bought an electric car I could easily charge it in our drive, unlike those in a Victorian terrace in London or most other cities..  But the house just isn't suitable to be comprehensively insulated, and we accepted that years ago.  We have some double glazing, and some secondary glazing, but we do have 28 windows, and solid walls.  It's a leaky house, and the only way to fix that is to knock it down and start again. So no heat pump, which may be wonderful in places where they are suitable, but not here.
> 
> Of course, with the most energy used by a car is in it's making, rather than buy an electric car, it's much more sensible to keep my 50,000 mile 11 year old Toyota as long as possible. And I'll stick - if I last long enough - with my gas boiler, in the hope it will be able to be replaced with a either a hydrogen boiler or something not yet invented. Could be electricity, which we'd need anyway for hydrogen, but in order to do that we need to make much more reliable electricity - which doesn't fail when the wind stops blowing. So we should have got working on nuclear replacements for the power stations years ago. And we need to work on the distribution network - it isn't nearly powerful enough. 
> 
> Meanwhile - heretical though it is - we need to frack and drill for gas and oil so that we don't have to rely on that nice President Putin. If we sensibly regard it as a stop gap, we can use it  to save ourselves lots of money that we can use to build SNR's, and maybe finally invent fusion.
> 
> B
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 20 18:02:20 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:02:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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Mike, all I want is realism. And that doesn't come from a politician 
(who doesn't know an end feed from a Yorkshire) telling me I can replace 
my boiler with a heat pump for not much more than the cost of a new boiler.

I do believe there is a solution to any problem. But that requires 
careful research and a measured response.

On 20/10/2021 20:38, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:
> Would it be crass of me to say that the exchanges in this thread are 
> in danger of becoming heated?
>
> My basic question to those who decry attempts to contribute to solving 
> a proven problem is ?What would you do instead?? If you have 
> solutions, please let's have them, and I also agree that the 
> government does not yet seem to have a proper handle on this, (or 
> Covid, or the Irish border, etc., etc.,) for that matter, but the 
> answer is definitely not the status quo. If a solution to some 
> people?s situation doesn?t suit everybody, then that?s no reason to 
> deny it to those who could use it to all our benefit. And if the 
> problem is generating capacity, why are British Gas, (amongst others I 
> believe), touting the prospect that they will soon be leasing electric 
> cars, to encourage the use of /electricity/ (Bernie) as a fuel for 
> domestic cars.
>
> Open minds are always best and in the current scenario, 
> procrastination will not only be the thief of time, but the thief of 
> our descendants? prospects of the decent life that we have enjoyed ~ 
> we really have been a blessed generation.
>
> Here endeth the sermon ~ I am not on a mount, by the way, but I am 
> very happy with our recently acquired PHEV, despite it?s limited range 
> on battery ~ I think that regenerative braking is the greatest thing 
> since sliced bread, except that I never did like sliced bread, 
> especially not that awful stream-cooked cotton wool produced by the 
> Chorley process ~ my only regret is that I was persuaded not to go the 
> whole hog, but we do have the benefit of a generous drive and a 100amp 
> feeder. Most of our journeys are fairly local and two or three hours 
> of an evening tops it up from a (new) 13amp outlet in the garage, with 
> no trace of overheating at the socket.
>
> My other regret in this respect is that I didn?t know about Elon 
> Musk?s solar roof tiles when we had our roof re-tiled a few years ago 
> ~ we hate the sight of huge rectangular panels superimposed on rooves, 
> but I wouldn?t have minded the Musk solution.
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 20 Oct 2021, at 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, 
>> but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land 
>> for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the 
>> housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, 
>> this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock.
>>
>> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>>
>>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the 
>>> pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the 
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive 
>>> heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the 
>>> most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky 
>>> boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>>
>>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat 
>>> energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they 
>>> run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is 
>>> important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a 
>>> relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with 
>>> acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If 
>>> you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home 
>>> you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>>
>>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing 
>>> exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does 
>>> that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be 
>>> unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice 
>>> being fed in.
>>>
>>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes 
>>> sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement 
>>> piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" 
>>> part of the equation to be considered.
>>>
>>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this 
>>> whatsoever.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>>
>>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff 
>>>> won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough 
>>>> charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing 
>>>> the technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week we really 
>>>> have to have them - and we do.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that 
>>>>> you may be interested in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Oct 20 18:15:46 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:15:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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I?m more concerned about politicians making decisions influenced by the wishes of party donors.

For instance ?green? hydrogen, made from water and using hydroelectric, wind, tidal or solar power is a clean and sustainable source of energy, while ?blue? hydrogen made from fossil fuels is a pretty poor option.  Obviously the fossil fuel lobby think that blue hydrogen is good for them and will be pressing to have it adopted.  It remains to be seen which way the government jumps, but I would be very surprised if they went against donors.

Alan Taylor

> On 21 Oct 2021, at 00:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Mike, all I want is realism. And that doesn't come from a politician (who doesn't know an end feed from a Yorkshire) telling me I can replace my boiler with a heat pump for not much more than the cost of a new boiler. 
> 
> I do believe there is a solution to any problem. But that requires careful research and a measured response. 
> 
> On 20/10/2021 20:38, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:
>> Would it be crass of me to say that the exchanges in this thread are in danger of becoming heated?
>> 
>> My basic question to those who decry attempts to contribute to solving a proven problem is ?What would you do instead?? If you have solutions, please let's have them, and I also agree that the government does not yet seem to have a proper handle on this, (or Covid, or the Irish border, etc., etc.,) for that matter, but the answer is definitely not the status quo. If a solution to some people?s situation doesn?t suit everybody, then that?s no reason to deny it to those who could use it to all our benefit. And if the problem is generating capacity, why are British Gas, (amongst others I believe), touting the prospect that they will soon be leasing electric cars, to encourage the use of electricity (Bernie) as a fuel for domestic cars. 
>> 
>> Open minds are always best and in the current scenario, procrastination will not only be the thief of time, but the thief of our descendants? prospects of the decent life that we have enjoyed ~ we really have been a blessed generation.
>> 
>> Here endeth the sermon ~ I am not on a mount, by the way, but I am very happy with our recently acquired PHEV, despite it?s limited range on battery ~ I think that regenerative braking is the greatest thing since sliced bread, except that I never did like sliced bread, especially not that awful stream-cooked cotton wool produced by the Chorley process ~ my only regret is that I was persuaded not to go the whole hog, but we do have the benefit of a generous drive and a 100amp feeder. Most of our journeys are fairly local and two or three hours of an evening tops it up from a (new) 13amp outlet in the garage, with no trace of overheating at the socket.
>> 
>> My other regret in this respect is that I didn?t know about Elon Musk?s solar roof tiles when we had our roof re-tiled a few years ago ~ we hate the sight of huge rectangular panels superimposed on rooves, but I wouldn?t have minded the Musk solution.
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>> On 20 Oct 2021, at 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock. 
>>> 
>>> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>>> 
>>>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the technology. 
>>>> 
>>>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>>> 
>>>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>>> 
>>>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice being fed in.
>>>> 
>>>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.
>>>> 
>>>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this whatsoever.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>>> 
>>>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.  This week we really have to have them - and we do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 20 18:17:03 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:17:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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I blame the Government!

How much fuel/energy/money is being blown to build HS2 and expanding airports?
Then there?s ongoing upkeep & maintenance of these and many other ?infrastructure? projects - all will involve energy of some kind or another for their maintenance. They?d need a sea of oil to keep all those huge guzzling earth movers working - green or emissions issues aren?t high on the agenda. 

They?ve allowed the building of a huge amount of new homes built right on top of one another and most don?t even have a fireplace - they can?t even chuck a log on a fire  - most are completely dependent on gas/electricity/heating fuel. 

I dislike the look of ugly solar panels ?industrialising? the appearance of a roof, windmills in the back garden and other hideous modern bits of dazzling stainless steel or plastic monstrosities & clutter like tanks & air-con units - as Alan says, these also aren?t normally welcome in Conservation areas or on Listed buildings. 

I?m not currently sold on air or ground source heat pumps given their costs and I don?t want to dig up the ground to install hundreds of feet of potentially leaky underground pipes - besides, if we dig deep we hit rock and we suspect there?s a possibility of buried archeological remains nearer the surface which we also don?t wish to disturb. 

A few years ago we were told Biomass was the way to go but now I see that between Biomass boilers (& Drax) burning wood has contributed to supply problems & increase in the price of softwood timber - isn?t it now worth more in the form of wood pellets than fence posts?  Last year it was heat pumps, two months ago it was hydrogen ready boilers and now it?s back to heat pumps again?.the same went for encouraging us to buy diesel cars, next electric cars - with still no end to the problems of rising energy costs and supply problems anywhere in sight. 

(Not being political here of course) Cameron?s father-in-law Sir Reginald (Sam Cam?s dad) had two wind-farms built on his estate - nice ??? earners & and timed just before Dave conveniently pulled the plug on Government subsidies for wind-farms. I think he told us these would provide enough energy to power 9000 homes? 

I suspect the recent reporting of the energy crisis is propaganda and part of a bigger plan to bypass hydrogen/green energy and rushing into nuclear as the only option the government has where those that make the rules (and/or the Chinese or the Russians) could ultimately benefit ??? in a very big way. 
Looks like they?re going to have us by the short & curlies again with the rising cost of energy to charge our electric cars.  I still wonder why they were in such a panic to hand out Smart Meters?

Steve 




> On 20 Oct 2021, at 21:54, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Of all the green energy technologies that we could be heavily investing in, the one we should be investing in is tidal power.  The British Isles experience unusually high tides and they are very predictable.  
> 
> Obviously you only get peak energy at a certain state of the tide, the particular state depends on how you harness that energy, but because high tide happens at different times around the UK, there is always somewhere experiencing the optimum tide, which would cancel out somewhere else with the least productive tidal state. Most other tidal generators would be operating at intermediate power at any given time.
> 
> Unlike wind or solar power, tidal power is predictable and reliable.
> 
> There are various ways to harness tidal power. I would support anything except tidal barrages across estuaries, which would have an adverse impact on the wildlife. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>>> On 20 Oct 2021, at 21:38, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? 
>> 
>> On 20/10/2021 20:38, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:
>>> to encourage the use of electricity (Bernie)
>> 
>> I'm all for green-ness, and moving on to sensible energy sources, but it would seem to be important to be pragmatic, without meaningless political hot air.  I live in an irregularly shaped late Victorian detached house in Surrey. If I bought an electric car I could easily charge it in our drive, unlike those in a Victorian terrace in London or most other cities..  But the house just isn't suitable to be comprehensively insulated, and we accepted that years ago.  We have some double glazing, and some secondary glazing, but we do have 28 windows, and solid walls.  It's a leaky house, and the only way to fix that is to knock it down and start again. So no heat pump, which may be wonderful in places where they are suitable, but not here.
>> 
>> Of course, with the most energy used by a car is in it's making, rather than buy an electric car, it's much more sensible to keep my 50,000 mile 11 year old Toyota as long as possible. And I'll stick - if I last long enough - with my gas boiler, in the hope it will be able to be replaced with a either a hydrogen boiler or something not yet invented. Could be electricity, which we'd need anyway for hydrogen, but in order to do that we need to make much more reliable electricity - which doesn't fail when the wind stops blowing. So we should have got working on nuclear replacements for the power stations years ago. And we need to work on the distribution network - it isn't nearly powerful enough. 
>> 
>> Meanwhile - heretical though it is - we need to frack and drill for gas and oil so that we don't have to rely on that nice President Putin. If we sensibly regard it as a stop gap, we can use it  to save ourselves lots of money that we can use to build SNR's, and maybe finally invent fusion.
>> 
>> B
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Oct 21 00:00:47 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 06:00:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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I?m sure we are all really singing from the same hymn sheet, Alan - it?s horses for courses again, but I remain optimistic that there are bright enough people working towards commercial solutions that will bring appropriate technologies and processes to the market in sufficient variety as to suit a range of different applications, if not all. Government?s best course of (in)action would be to avoid impeding such entrepreneurial enthusiasm. As a result of my limited experience of the financial world after making an unwise move with my pension, (happily resolved many years ago), I still receive what I consider to be fairly impartial updates on current investment thinking and green hydrogen has been touted for some long time as one of the up and coming industries. They are clearly not there yet, but in developing systems which can benefit from that, there is a case to be made for using blue hydrogen in the interim. The switch would then be relatively easy. 

I still think there must be a microbe sitting in a pond somewhere, happily absorbing sunlight to ?digest? water and produce its component parts - it?s just a case of finding it, or perhaps genetically modifying a bug that?s already known. 

There was a fascinating piece in this vein on Radio 4?s The Food Programme last weekend. I?m afraid I?ve forgotten the detail already, but the guy who was extolling the virtues of his company?s idea argued that the market would be unable to resist investing in potentially profitable innovations and his case seemed very plausible. I must listen again!

What we probably need is to create a panic buying episode by frightening the world?s population at large into buying the ?right? solutions, thus convincing the market that there is money to be made. It almost certainly is money that will make the world continue to go around. (Who wrote that song?)

Mike G

> On 21 Oct 2021, at 02:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?m more concerned about politicians making decisions influenced by the wishes of party donors.
> 
> For instance ?green? hydrogen, made from water and using hydroelectric, wind, tidal or solar power is a clean and sustainable source of energy, while ?blue? hydrogen made from fossil fuels is a pretty poor option.  Obviously the fossil fuel lobby think that blue hydrogen is good for them and will be pressing to have it adopted.  It remains to be seen which way the government jumps, but I would be very surprised if they went against donors.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>>> On 21 Oct 2021, at 00:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Mike, all I want is realism. And that doesn't come from a politician (who doesn't know an end feed from a Yorkshire) telling me I can replace my boiler with a heat pump for not much more than the cost of a new boiler. 
>> 
>> I do believe there is a solution to any problem. But that requires careful research and a measured response. 
>> 
>> On 20/10/2021 20:38, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Would it be crass of me to say that the exchanges in this thread are in danger of becoming heated?
>>> 
>>> My basic question to those who decry attempts to contribute to solving a proven problem is ?What would you do instead?? If you have solutions, please let's have them, and I also agree that the government does not yet seem to have a proper handle on this, (or Covid, or the Irish border, etc., etc.,) for that matter, but the answer is definitely not the status quo. If a solution to some people?s situation doesn?t suit everybody, then that?s no reason to deny it to those who could use it to all our benefit. And if the problem is generating capacity, why are British Gas, (amongst others I believe), touting the prospect that they will soon be leasing electric cars, to encourage the use of electricity (Bernie) as a fuel for domestic cars. 
>>> 
>>> Open minds are always best and in the current scenario, procrastination will not only be the thief of time, but the thief of our descendants? prospects of the decent life that we have enjoyed ~ we really have been a blessed generation.
>>> 
>>> Here endeth the sermon ~ I am not on a mount, by the way, but I am very happy with our recently acquired PHEV, despite it?s limited range on battery ~ I think that regenerative braking is the greatest thing since sliced bread, except that I never did like sliced bread, especially not that awful stream-cooked cotton wool produced by the Chorley process ~ my only regret is that I was persuaded not to go the whole hog, but we do have the benefit of a generous drive and a 100amp feeder. Most of our journeys are fairly local and two or three hours of an evening tops it up from a (new) 13amp outlet in the garage, with no trace of overheating at the socket.
>>> 
>>> My other regret in this respect is that I didn?t know about Elon Musk?s solar roof tiles when we had our roof re-tiled a few years ago ~ we hate the sight of huge rectangular panels superimposed on rooves, but I wouldn?t have minded the Musk solution.
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>>> On 20 Oct 2021, at 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock. 
>>>> 
>>>> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the technology. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice being fed in.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this whatsoever.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.  This week we really have to have them - and we do.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> B
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 21 04:13:42 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:13:42 +0100
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Other thing many don't seem to realise is replacing gas with hydrogen in 
say a domestic boiler or internal combustion engine results in the 
production of Nox. But not (or very much less) if used in a fuel cell. 
And has been said we need at total CO2 production involved in producing 
any alternative and the different hardware needed to make use of it.

I'm rather pessimistic about attempts to bring CO2 generation under 
control. Sure some countries will - but not others until too late. My 
guess is at the end of the day mother nature will sort it - but at a 
vast cost to much of the life on this planet.

On 21/10/2021 00:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m more concerned about politicians making decisions influenced by 
> the wishes of party donors.
>
> For instance ?green? hydrogen, made from water and using 
> hydroelectric, wind, tidal or solar power is a clean and sustainable 
> source of energy, while ?blue? hydrogen made from fossil fuels is a 
> pretty poor option. ?Obviously the fossil fuel lobby think that blue 
> hydrogen is good for them and will be pressing to have it adopted. ?It 
> remains to be seen which way the government jumps, but I would be very 
> surprised if they went against donors.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 21 Oct 2021, at 00:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Mike, all I want is realism. And that doesn't come from a politician 
>> (who doesn't know an end feed from a Yorkshire) telling me I can 
>> replace my boiler with a heat pump for not much more than the cost of 
>> a new boiler.
>>
>> I do believe there is a solution to any problem. But that requires 
>> careful research and a measured response.
>>
>> On 20/10/2021 20:38, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Would it be crass of me to say that the exchanges in this thread are 
>>> in danger of becoming heated?
>>>
>>> My basic question to those who decry attempts to contribute to 
>>> solving a proven problem is ?What would you do instead?? If you have 
>>> solutions, please let's have them, and I also agree that the 
>>> government does not yet seem to have a proper handle on this, (or 
>>> Covid, or the Irish border, etc., etc.,) for that matter, but the 
>>> answer is definitely not the status quo. If a solution to some 
>>> people?s situation doesn?t suit everybody, then that?s no reason to 
>>> deny it to those who could use it to all our benefit. And if the 
>>> problem is generating capacity, why are British Gas, (amongst others 
>>> I believe), touting the prospect that they will soon be leasing 
>>> electric cars, to encourage the use of /electricity/ (Bernie) as a 
>>> fuel for domestic cars.
>>>
>>> Open minds are always best and in the current scenario, 
>>> procrastination will not only be the thief of time, but the thief of 
>>> our descendants? prospects of the decent life that we have enjoyed ~ 
>>> we really have been a blessed generation.
>>>
>>> Here endeth the sermon ~ I am not on a mount, by the way, but I am 
>>> very happy with our recently acquired PHEV, despite it?s limited 
>>> range on battery ~ I think that regenerative braking is the greatest 
>>> thing since sliced bread, except that I never did like sliced bread, 
>>> especially not that awful stream-cooked cotton wool produced by the 
>>> Chorley process ~ my only regret is that I was persuaded not to go 
>>> the whole hog, but we do have the benefit of a generous drive and a 
>>> 100amp feeder. Most of our journeys are fairly local and two or 
>>> three hours of an evening tops it up from a (new) 13amp outlet in 
>>> the garage, with no trace of overheating at the socket.
>>>
>>> My other regret in this respect is that I didn?t know about Elon 
>>> Musk?s solar roof tiles when we had our roof re-tiled a few years 
>>> ago ~ we hate the sight of huge rectangular panels superimposed on 
>>> rooves, but I wouldn?t have minded the Musk solution.
>>>
>>> Mike G
>>>
>>>> On 20 Oct 2021, at 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, 
>>>> but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty 
>>>> land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part 
>>>> of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. 
>>>> Sadly, again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing 
>>>> housing stock.
>>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the 
>>>>> pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the 
>>>>> technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive 
>>>>> heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the 
>>>>> most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into 
>>>>> leaky boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the 
>>>>> heat energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. 
>>>>> And they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about 
>>>>> them that is important to understand is that they work best if you 
>>>>> run them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a 
>>>>> house with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a 
>>>>> problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed 
>>>>> British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>>>>
>>>>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is 
>>>>> doing exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it 
>>>>> does that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used 
>>>>> to be unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of 
>>>>> fossil juice being fed in.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat 
>>>>> homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest 
>>>>> replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the 
>>>>> "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this 
>>>>> whatsoever.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this 
>>>>>> stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't 
>>>>>> have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric 
>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't 
>>>>>> developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week 
>>>>>> we really have to have them - and we do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that 
>>>>>>> you may be interested in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From relong at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 21 04:29:32 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:29:32 +0100
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Tidal energy is difficult, the last test failed when the main bearings were destroyed by salt water
Ships drive via propellors that are immersed in sea water, their drive shafts have sea water as a lubricant internally
There must be some design that can overcome the salinity and still be economic.
Tidal Barriers silt up, dredging must be continuous and complex, the Severn produces millions of tons of silt, can this be overcome?
The amount of concrete required is gargantuan, its carbon footprint huge.
Hydrogen can be electrolysed but needs clean power, Natural Gas can be converted but still produce carbon in the process.
We need a sensible transition period when we can use modular Nuclear and possibly frack for shale gas in the interim.
Nuclear Fusion is imminent science tells us, that prospect is the Holy Grail, as is working at absolute zero where the laws of Quantum Physics come into force and open a world of unlimited energy, anti gravity engines  and even time flux.
The Neutrino is a guide to this world of Dark Matter, which comprises the majority the universes mass.
It might give an insight into a state unknown.
Or not.
Nature is truly brilliant and self adaptive, adapt or die is the Darwinian credo, we have used hydrocarbon as a fuel for the past 400 yrs, it produced the biggest improvements to human life since the invention of farming, we have to rely on our ingenuity to replace burning and harness the universal forces and see similar but Quantum results.

Roger



From grahame at gmstev.com  Thu Oct 21 04:50:35 2021
From: grahame at gmstev.com (Grahame Stevens)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 20:50:35 +1100
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I had an interesting conversation with a fairly techie British Gas chap a couple of years ago and asked him about hydrogen use.  

He was quite sure that the mains are just too leaky to cope with the less dense gas.  

He mentioned that very often engineers will respond to a smell of gas only to discover there has been a (slow) build up in the pit at a valve point.  He described the standard procedure was to take cast iron cover off, put a hazard barrier around it and leave it a few days to disperse.  He said if the system leaks like that with natural gas it would just not be up to scratch for distributing hydrogen.

 

Grahame Stevens

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, 21 October 2021 8:14 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Future heating

 

Other thing many don't seem to realise is replacing gas with hydrogen in say a domestic boiler or internal combustion engine results in the production of Nox. But not (or very much less) if used in a fuel cell. And has been said we need at total CO2 production involved in producing any alternative and the different hardware needed to make use of it.

I'm rather pessimistic about attempts to bring CO2 generation under control. Sure some countries will - but not others until too late. My guess is at the end of the day mother nature will sort it - but at a vast cost to much of the life on this planet.

On 21/10/2021 00:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

I?m more concerned about politicians making decisions influenced by the wishes of party donors.

 

For instance ?green? hydrogen, made from water and using hydroelectric, wind, tidal or solar power is a clean and sustainable source of energy, while ?blue? hydrogen made from fossil fuels is a pretty poor option.  Obviously the fossil fuel lobby think that blue hydrogen is good for them and will be pressing to have it adopted.  It remains to be seen which way the government jumps, but I would be very surprised if they went against donors.

 

Alan Taylor





On 21 Oct 2021, at 00:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 

Mike, all I want is realism. And that doesn't come from a politician (who doesn't know an end feed from a Yorkshire) telling me I can replace my boiler with a heat pump for not much more than the cost of a new boiler. 

I do believe there is a solution to any problem. But that requires careful research and a measured response. 

On 20/10/2021 20:38, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:

Would it be crass of me to say that the exchanges in this thread are in danger of becoming heated? 

 

My basic question to those who decry attempts to contribute to solving a proven problem is ?What would you do instead?? If you have solutions, please let's have them, and I also agree that the government does not yet seem to have a proper handle on this, (or Covid, or the Irish border, etc., etc.,) for that matter, but the answer is definitely not the status quo. If a solution to some people?s situation doesn?t suit everybody, then that?s no reason to deny it to those who could use it to all our benefit. And if the problem is generating capacity, why are British Gas, (amongst others I believe), touting the prospect that they will soon be leasing electric cars, to encourage the use of electricity (Bernie) as a fuel for domestic cars. 

 

Open minds are always best and in the current scenario, procrastination will not only be the thief of time, but the thief of our descendants? prospects of the decent life that we have enjoyed ~ we really have been a blessed generation.

 

Here endeth the sermon ~ I am not on a mount, by the way, but I am very happy with our recently acquired PHEV, despite it?s limited range on battery ~ I think that regenerative braking is the greatest thing since sliced bread, except that I never did like sliced bread, especially not that awful stream-cooked cotton wool produced by the Chorley process ~ my only regret is that I was persuaded not to go the whole hog, but we do have the benefit of a generous drive and a 100amp feeder. Most of our journeys are fairly local and two or three hours of an evening tops it up from a (new) 13amp outlet in the garage, with no trace of overheating at the socket.

 

My other regret in this respect is that I didn?t know about Elon Musk?s solar roof tiles when we had our roof re-tiled a few years ago ~ we hate the sight of huge rectangular panels superimposed on rooves, but I wouldn?t have minded the Musk solution.

 

Mike G





On 20 Oct 2021, at 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

 

Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock. 

On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:

Heat pumps aren't rubbish.

Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the technology. 

Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky boxes and then complaining about the cost.

Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.

My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice being fed in.

As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.

And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this whatsoever.

 

Chris Woolf

 

On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q

It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.  

I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.  This week we really have to have them - and we do.

B



On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:

 

I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in. 

 

Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating. 

 

 

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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct 21 05:00:46 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:00:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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I remember Dr Jacob Bronowski saying exactly that in a Parkinson Show interview back in the early 1970?s. And when asked if mankind would find a way to stop damage being done to the planet, his immortal reply: ?I?m afraid we are just not clever enough?. Wise words from a very wise man.
It?s easy to be clever with the benefit of hindsight, but now that serious harm is being done, are we any cleverer? I doubt it.
I also remember worrying about carbon emissions myself, when at Prep School we used to get shown those Shell Films all about oil production, petrol, petrol engines, etc., and the wondrous relatively new invention that would revolutionise our lives - plastic.
I have four grandchildren and almost certainly more to come, and I shudder to think what sort of a World they are going to inherit from my generation.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 21 Oct 2021, at 10:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> [snip]
> I'm rather pessimistic about attempts to bring CO2 generation under control. Sure some countries will - but not others until too late. My guess is at the end of the day mother nature will sort it - but at a vast cost to much of the life on this planet.

From relong at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 21 05:16:11 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:16:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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Jacob worked for the Coal Board 
He invented the coal brickette?.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Oct 2021, at 11:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I remember Dr Jacob Bronowski saying exactly that in a Parkinson Show interview back in the early 1970?s. And when asked if mankind would find a way to stop damage being done to the planet, his immortal reply: ?I?m afraid we are just not clever enough?. Wise words from a very wise man.
> It?s easy to be clever with the benefit of hindsight, but now that serious harm is being done, are we any cleverer? I doubt it.
> I also remember worrying about carbon emissions myself, when at Prep School we used to get shown those Shell Films all about oil production, petrol, petrol engines, etc., and the wondrous relatively new invention that would revolutionise our lives - plastic.
> I have four grandchildren and almost certainly more to come, and I shudder to think what sort of a World they are going to inherit from my generation.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 21 Oct 2021, at 10:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> [snip]
>> I'm rather pessimistic about attempts to bring CO2 generation under control. Sure some countries will - but not others until too late. My guess is at the end of the day mother nature will sort it - but at a vast cost to much of the life on this planet.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Oct 21 05:52:55 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:52:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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References: <3A1D8278-8C24-49DB-BC25-1C77AC5ECF56@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <55E2554B-24C1-4C0D-BE43-119E6E8D247C@me.com>

Of course tidal energy is extremely difficult. Fusion power is even more difficult, but people are not giving up on it. Both technologies offer the prospect of reliable green energy in large amounts. We shouldn?t limit ourselves to just one or two possibilities.  The chances are that we will do best with a mixture of solutions. One reason for supporting tidal power is that the UK is well placed to benefit from it and unlike technologies like solar and wind turbines, there isn?t a lot of competition already making the stuff elsewhere in the world.  

Most new technologies pose tremendous challenges until people find a way to solve them.  Even in our own industry, look at how many experiments, false starts and failures in multiple disciplines happened before a viable electronic television service became possible.

Alan Taylor

> On 21 Oct 2021, at 10:30, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Tidal energy is difficult, the last test failed when the main bearings were destroyed by salt water
> Ships drive via propellors that are immersed in sea water, their drive shafts have sea water as a lubricant internally
> There must be some design that can overcome the salinity and still be economic.
> Tidal Barriers silt up, dredging must be continuous and complex, the Severn produces millions of tons of silt, can this be overcome?
> The amount of concrete required is gargantuan, its carbon footprint huge.
> Hydrogen can be electrolysed but needs clean power, Natural Gas can be converted but still produce carbon in the process.
> We need a sensible transition period when we can use modular Nuclear and possibly frack for shale gas in the interim.
> Nuclear Fusion is imminent science tells us, that prospect is the Holy Grail, as is working at absolute zero where the laws of Quantum Physics come into force and open a world of unlimited energy, anti gravity engines  and even time flux.
> The Neutrino is a guide to this world of Dark Matter, which comprises the majority the universes mass.
> It might give an insight into a state unknown.
> Or not.
> Nature is truly brilliant and self adaptive, adapt or die is the Darwinian credo, we have used hydrocarbon as a fuel for the past 400 yrs, it produced the biggest improvements to human life since the invention of farming, we have to rely on our ingenuity to replace burning and harness the universal forces and see similar but Quantum results.
> 
> Roger
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Oct 21 06:09:52 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:09:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The ultimate wardrobe malfunction
Message-ID: <FC643AC1-4C0B-483A-82B7-1DE60E554354@icloud.com>

The next episode of The Outlaws will have all the cast drippng wet.

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-58992200>
? 
Graeme Wall




From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Oct 21 06:59:26 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:59:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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A good question. And the full answer is really what I was trying to get 
at - and which several others have twigged to.

Originally this house was poorly insulated and used a classic radiator 
system, pumping pretty hot water round the house and trying to heat the 
air volume. Given a very old property that is hard work, and the heating 
would run for ages trying to evaporate water from the walls before the 
room temperature lifted discernibly. Heat transfer from a hot radiator 
to the bulk of a building is very poor.

The solution was /not/ to just swap over to a heat pump (as the 
government would seem to have in its stupid mind) but to tackle the 
problem in a fully integrated fashion. We increased loft insulation and 
where there is no loft, used multi-layer metallised foil between the 
rafters. The slate floor came up, dug down, insulated, screeded, 
polypipe floor loops put in and the slates put back. Double-glazing 
isn't allowed in this listed property so we added internal wooden 
shutters (which actually work better). The domestic hot water system 
uses part ground-source, part solar hot water when it is available, and 
excess solar PV energy. The point of all that is that what you need is a 
wholesale re-think, not a bolt-on to what is there. The use of low 
temperature heating water running all the time means the temperature 
gradient to outside is less extreme, and you don't get a rush of hot air 
out every time you open a door or window. But the massive heat store of 
floor and stone walls makes the room comfortable again as soon as the 
door is shut.

Yes, it is capital intensive, and that to my mind, is where the 
government should be devoting its efforts.

The result here, is a house that retains heat in the body of the 
structure. There is no damp to evaporate off, so low-level cosmetic heat 
from a wood fire adds to room temperature in minutes. The system runs 
automatically, completely silently within the house, and without any 
maintenance. Note that all this was carried out in a listed building 
without any planning officer even blinking. Nobody coming here is aware 
of any of this work, which is all invisible - it looks very C16th still.

We are indeed fortunate in having space, partly because that allows the 
use of a plant room to house all the techno stuff. As to ground source, 
we used boreholes - more expensive than curlies but more efficient too. 
The area under the foundations of a new house is ample to provide the 
source heat volume - it should be mandated on every new? estate.

Retro-fitting old housing stock is clearly harder but it is surprising 
what can be done with (some) money and plenty of imagination. What 
/doesn't///work is the gradualist approach of swapping one piece of kit 
or trying to save money by using something that isn't really up to the mark.

The UK has atrocious quality housing, and is seriously behind the times 
working out how to build new houses that have any longevity or 
efficiency. We do need to look at other countries that have solved this 
problem, and embrace the rather more ambitious solutions.

Chris Woolf



On 20/10/2021 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but 
> a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for 
> a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the 
> housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, 
> this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock.
>
> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>
>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the 
>> pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the 
>> technology.
>>
>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive 
>> heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the 
>> most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky 
>> boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>
>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat 
>> energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they 
>> run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is 
>> important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a 
>> relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with 
>> acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If 
>> you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you 
>> do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>
>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing 
>> exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that 
>> in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be 
>> unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice 
>> being fed in.
>>
>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes 
>> sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement 
>> piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" 
>> part of the equation to be considered.
>>
>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this 
>> whatsoever.
>>
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>
>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff 
>>> won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough 
>>> charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.
>>>
>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing 
>>> the technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week we really have 
>>> to have them - and we do.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you 
>>>> may be interested in.
>>>>
>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>
>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Oct 21 08:16:32 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:16:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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I recall learning as a young schoolboy about a Scandinavian school which was so well insulated that when it was cold they simply put the lights on and that was sufficient. Not much good with LED lighting, I suppose. 

Mike H

> On 21 Oct 2021, at 13:01, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> A good question. And the full answer is really what I was trying to get at - and which several others have twigged to. 
> 
> Originally this house was poorly insulated and used a classic radiator system, pumping pretty hot water round the house and trying to heat the air volume. Given a very old property that is hard work, and the heating would run for ages trying to evaporate water from the walls before the room temperature lifted discernibly. Heat transfer from a hot radiator to the bulk of a building is very poor.
> 
> The solution was not to just swap over to a heat pump (as the government would seem to have in its stupid mind) but to tackle the problem in a fully integrated fashion. We increased loft insulation and where there is no loft, used multi-layer metallised foil between the rafters. The slate floor came up, dug down, insulated, screeded, polypipe floor loops put in and the slates put back. Double-glazing isn't allowed in this listed property so we added internal wooden shutters (which actually work better). The domestic hot water system uses part ground-source, part solar hot water when it is available, and excess solar PV energy. The point of all that is that what you need is a wholesale re-think, not a bolt-on to what is there. The use of low temperature heating water running all the time means the temperature gradient to outside is less extreme, and you don't get a rush of hot air out every time you open a door or window. But the massive heat store of floor and stone walls makes the room comfortable again as soon as the door is shut.
> 
> Yes, it is capital intensive, and that to my mind, is where the government should be devoting its efforts. 
> 
> The result here, is a house that retains heat in the body of the structure. There is no damp to evaporate off, so low-level cosmetic heat from a wood fire adds to room temperature in minutes. The system runs automatically, completely silently within the house, and without any maintenance. Note that all this was carried out in a listed building without any planning officer even blinking. Nobody coming here is aware of any of this work, which is all invisible - it looks very C16th still.
> 
> We are indeed fortunate in having space, partly because that allows the use of a plant room to house all the techno stuff. As to ground source, we used boreholes - more expensive than curlies but more efficient too. The area under the foundations of a new house is ample to provide the source heat volume - it should be mandated on every new  estate. 
> 
> Retro-fitting old housing stock is clearly harder but it is surprising what can be done with (some) money and plenty of imagination. What doesn't work is the gradualist approach of swapping one piece of kit or trying to save money by using something that isn't really up to the mark.
> 
> The UK has atrocious quality housing, and is seriously behind the times working out how to build new houses that have any longevity or efficiency. We do need to look at other countries that have solved this problem, and embrace the rather more ambitious solutions.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 20/10/2021 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock. 
>> 
>> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>> 
>>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the technology. 
>>> 
>>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>> 
>>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>> 
>>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice being fed in.
>>> 
>>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.
>>> 
>>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this whatsoever.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Woolf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>> 
>>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.  
>>>> 
>>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.  This week we really have to have them - and we do.
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Oct 21 08:19:49 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:19:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
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Tidal energy undoubtedly makes much sense, and could almost certainly be 
achieved cost effectively using run-of-tide generators, possibly sharing 
some of the infrastructure of off-shore wind.

That it hasn't happened is partly because few nations have such a superb 
tidal range as the UK. Our governments have always liked to see other 
countries start developing concepts, and then try to copy the ideas when 
they are less of a risk. But in this case we need to do our own 
development from scratch.

It isn't something that is unduly difficult - the technology is all 
invented and understood, but the construction and deployment has to be 
sorted out. That takes cash that successive governments have been 
nervous about spending. Considering the enormous amounts dumped into 
nuclear energy the arguments are remarkably weak, but it was ever thus. 
Tidal energy could be <10 years away - fusion reactors will not be in 
any of our lifetimes.

Chris Woolf


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Oct 21 08:28:55 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:28:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
In-Reply-To: <8C8620A2-B110-48BE-910E-71AE31E50389@mac.com>
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Passivhaus specs are pretty close to that. Each occupant generates 
something like 1kW of heat by just being in the building. Even LEDs 
generate a little heat. A room full of decent illumination could still 
provide 60W and maybe 40W from the telly etc. Then there's the heat from 
the kettle and the cooker.... Soon mounts up.

The trick is just to keep that heat in and not spaff it around the 
neighbourhood.

Chris Woolf

On 21/10/2021 14:16, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> I recall learning as a young schoolboy about a Scandinavian school 
> which was so well insulated that when it was cold they simply put the 
> lights on and that was sufficient. Not much good with LED lighting, I 
> suppose.
>
> Mike H
>
>> On 21 Oct 2021, at 13:01, Chris Woolf via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> A good question. And the full answer is really what I was trying to 
>> get at - and which several others have twigged to.
>>
>> Originally this house was poorly insulated and used a classic 
>> radiator system, pumping pretty hot water round the house and trying 
>> to heat the air volume. Given a very old property that is hard work, 
>> and the heating would run for ages trying to evaporate water from the 
>> walls before the room temperature lifted discernibly. Heat transfer 
>> from a hot radiator to the bulk of a building is very poor.
>>
>> The solution was /not/ to just swap over to a heat pump (as the 
>> government would seem to have in its stupid mind) but to tackle the 
>> problem in a fully integrated fashion. We increased loft insulation 
>> and where there is no loft, used multi-layer metallised foil between 
>> the rafters. The slate floor came up, dug down, insulated, screeded, 
>> polypipe floor loops put in and the slates put back. Double-glazing 
>> isn't allowed in this listed property so we added internal wooden 
>> shutters (which actually work better). The domestic hot water system 
>> uses part ground-source, part solar hot water when it is available, 
>> and excess solar PV energy. The point of all that is that what you 
>> need is a wholesale re-think, not a bolt-on to what is there. The use 
>> of low temperature heating water running all the time means the 
>> temperature gradient to outside is less extreme, and you don't get a 
>> rush of hot air out every time you open a door or window. But the 
>> massive heat store of floor and stone walls makes the room 
>> comfortable again as soon as the door is shut.
>>
>> Yes, it is capital intensive, and that to my mind, is where the 
>> government should be devoting its efforts.
>>
>> The result here, is a house that retains heat in the body of the 
>> structure. There is no damp to evaporate off, so low-level cosmetic 
>> heat from a wood fire adds to room temperature in minutes. The system 
>> runs automatically, completely silently within the house, and without 
>> any maintenance. Note that all this was carried out in a listed 
>> building without any planning officer even blinking. Nobody coming 
>> here is aware of any of this work, which is all invisible - it looks 
>> very C16th still.
>>
>> We are indeed fortunate in having space, partly because that allows 
>> the use of a plant room to house all the techno stuff. As to ground 
>> source, we used boreholes - more expensive than curlies but more 
>> efficient too. The area under the foundations of a new house is ample 
>> to provide the source heat volume - it should be mandated on every 
>> new estate.
>>
>> Retro-fitting old housing stock is clearly harder but it is 
>> surprising what can be done with (some) money and plenty of 
>> imagination. What /doesn't///work is the gradualist approach of 
>> swapping one piece of kit or trying to save money by using something 
>> that isn't really up to the mark.
>>
>> The UK has atrocious quality housing, and is seriously behind the 
>> times working out how to build new houses that have any longevity or 
>> efficiency. We do need to look at other countries that have solved 
>> this problem, and embrace the rather more ambitious solutions.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/10/2021 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, 
>>> but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty 
>>> land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part 
>>> of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, 
>>> again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing 
>>> stock.
>>>
>>> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>>>
>>>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the 
>>>> pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the 
>>>> technology.
>>>>
>>>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive 
>>>> heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the 
>>>> most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky 
>>>> boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>>>
>>>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat 
>>>> energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And 
>>>> they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them 
>>>> that is important to understand is that they work best if you run 
>>>> them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a house 
>>>> with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a 
>>>> problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed 
>>>> British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>>>
>>>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing 
>>>> exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does 
>>>> that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be 
>>>> unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice 
>>>> being fed in.
>>>>
>>>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat 
>>>> homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest 
>>>> replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the 
>>>> "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.
>>>>
>>>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this 
>>>> whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Woolf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff 
>>>>> won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have 
>>>>> enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing 
>>>>> the technology used in nuclear submarines.? This week we really 
>>>>> have to have them - and we do.
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that 
>>>>>> you may be interested in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 21 08:30:43 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 14:30:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
In-Reply-To: <6fba8967-9055-8e77-143c-5c233d704806@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Chris, what you're saying about insulation applies to any heating system 
- if you want the lowest running costs, and therefore the least use of 
energy. Makes no difference if the hear source is oil, gas or 
electricity. And exactly the same with ground or air sourced - the 
running costs will be lower with decent insulation. As will the capital 
costs.

All houses with less than perfect insulation have a thermal mass. Mine 
is Victorian, and if we go away in the winter, takes some days to get 
the comfort level back to where it was.

My main problem is the solid walls. Insulating the inside would lose 
precious space as well as being very disruptive, and insulating the 
outside would look dreadful. The only practical answer is to demolish 
and replace. Same as with much of the UK housing stock. But of course 
modern designs that are easy to build and insulate are likely to have a 
much shorter life than conventional building methods.

On 21/10/2021 12:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> A good question. And the full answer is really what I was trying to 
> get at - and which several others have twigged to.
>
> Originally this house was poorly insulated and used a classic radiator 
> system, pumping pretty hot water round the house and trying to heat 
> the air volume. Given a very old property that is hard work, and the 
> heating would run for ages trying to evaporate water from the walls 
> before the room temperature lifted discernibly. Heat transfer from a 
> hot radiator to the bulk of a building is very poor.
>
> The solution was /not/ to just swap over to a heat pump (as the 
> government would seem to have in its stupid mind) but to tackle the 
> problem in a fully integrated fashion. We increased loft insulation 
> and where there is no loft, used multi-layer metallised foil between 
> the rafters. The slate floor came up, dug down, insulated, screeded, 
> polypipe floor loops put in and the slates put back. Double-glazing 
> isn't allowed in this listed property so we added internal wooden 
> shutters (which actually work better). The domestic hot water system 
> uses part ground-source, part solar hot water when it is available, 
> and excess solar PV energy. The point of all that is that what you 
> need is a wholesale re-think, not a bolt-on to what is there. The use 
> of low temperature heating water running all the time means the 
> temperature gradient to outside is less extreme, and you don't get a 
> rush of hot air out every time you open a door or window. But the 
> massive heat store of floor and stone walls makes the room comfortable 
> again as soon as the door is shut.
>
> Yes, it is capital intensive, and that to my mind, is where the 
> government should be devoting its efforts.
>
> The result here, is a house that retains heat in the body of the 
> structure. There is no damp to evaporate off, so low-level cosmetic 
> heat from a wood fire adds to room temperature in minutes. The system 
> runs automatically, completely silently within the house, and without 
> any maintenance. Note that all this was carried out in a listed 
> building without any planning officer even blinking. Nobody coming 
> here is aware of any of this work, which is all invisible - it looks 
> very C16th still.
>
> We are indeed fortunate in having space, partly because that allows 
> the use of a plant room to house all the techno stuff. As to ground 
> source, we used boreholes - more expensive than curlies but more 
> efficient too. The area under the foundations of a new house is ample 
> to provide the source heat volume - it should be mandated on every 
> new? estate.
>
> Retro-fitting old housing stock is clearly harder but it is surprising 
> what can be done with (some) money and plenty of imagination. What 
> /doesn't///work is the gradualist approach of swapping one piece of 
> kit or trying to save money by using something that isn't really up to 
> the mark.
>
> The UK has atrocious quality housing, and is seriously behind the 
> times working out how to build new houses that have any longevity or 
> efficiency. We do need to look at other countries that have solved 
> this problem, and embrace the rather more ambitious solutions.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
>
> On 20/10/2021 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, 
>> but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land 
>> for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the 
>> housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, 
>> this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock.
>>
>> On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Heat pumps aren't rubbish.
>>>
>>> Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the 
>>> pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the 
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive 
>>> heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the 
>>> most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky 
>>> boxes and then complaining about the cost.
>>>
>>> Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat 
>>> energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they 
>>> run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is 
>>> important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a 
>>> relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with 
>>> acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If 
>>> you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home 
>>> you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.
>>>
>>> My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing 
>>> exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does 
>>> that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be 
>>> unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice 
>>> being fed in.
>>>
>>> As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes 
>>> sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement 
>>> piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" 
>>> part of the equation to be considered.
>>>
>>> And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this 
>>> whatsoever.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q
>>>>
>>>> It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff 
>>>> won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough 
>>>> charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing 
>>>> the technology used in nuclear submarines. This week we really have 
>>>> to have them - and we do.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that 
>>>>> you may be interested in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Prior
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from OX Mail
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 21 09:33:51 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:33:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The ultimate wardrobe malfunction
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Oops! I?d like to see the firm of Crouch, who appear in the Trucking Hell series, rescuing HGV?s from disasters, see to this one!
There?s a similar funny, but a cameraman I know well, assures me that it?s faked up:
https://tinyurl.com/yxmcpnzv

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 21 October 2021 12:10
To: Tech ops
Subject: [Tech1] The ultimate wardrobe malfunction

The next episode of The Outlaws will have all the cast drippng wet.

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-58992200>
? 
Graeme Wall



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Oct 21 09:55:25 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:55:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
In-Reply-To: <6651b3cc-6259-5f1b-8e4e-4f040d3f5e70@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Have been following this thread with great interest and wondered, in 
relation to the tidal resource element of the debate, whether there was any 
widespread awareness of the potential from the Alderney Race (the fast 
running tidal movement between Alderney and France). I had lived in the 
Channel Islands (Jersey) as a boy and after some 50 years absence my wife 
and I began holidaying there about 20 years back. most recently with three 
stays on Alderney in 2014 & 15. We thus became strongly aware of the huge 
potential and ever since have waited eagerlyfor news of real progress.

It is of course largely in French hands and the current state of relations 
hardly points to a spirit of ongoing cooperation. Nevertheless there is a 
lot of background info available and I am attaching a Word Document of two 
separate pieces on the topic, which I think reinforce what Chris has been 
saying.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 2:19 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Future heating

Tidal energy undoubtedly makes much sense, and could almost certainly be
achieved cost effectively using run-of-tide generators, possibly sharing
some of the infrastructure of off-shore wind.

That it hasn't happened is partly because few nations have such a superb
tidal range as the UK. Our governments have always liked to see other
countries start developing concepts, and then try to copy the ideas when
they are less of a risk. But in this case we need to do our own
development from scratch.

It isn't something that is unduly difficult - the technology is all
invented and understood, but the construction and deployment has to be
sorted out. That takes cash that successive governments have been
nervous about spending. Considering the enormous amounts dumped into
nuclear energy the arguments are remarkably weak, but it was ever thus.
Tidal energy could be <10 years away - fusion reactors will not be in
any of our lifetimes.

Chris Woolf


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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Thu Oct 21 10:44:22 2021
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:44:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Cobra latest BBC series
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Message-ID: <896845D8-5340-454B-9C82-95D29275D3AC@sky.com>

The latest Cobra series about the explosion of the WW2 ship sunk just off the Southern Coast of the Thames estuary has a bit of an anomaly in locations in it.
Being a local I noticed that the shore station used after the explosion was actually located at Fleetwood in Lancashire. Did anyone else notice?

Sent from my iPad


From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct 21 15:34:39 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 20:34:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Future heating
In-Reply-To: <6fba8967-9055-8e77-143c-5c233d704806@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <1478714860.137470.1634746083055@apps.talktalk.co.uk>
	<66ddcc97-835b-6fea-6c3c-d97c4897bf5a@gmail.com>
	<f10c46f8-73b4-f7de-9ba2-d9fd12a351bc@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<e8dd6015-de3a-eab6-c795-9c1ea793389d@btinternet.com>
	<6fba8967-9055-8e77-143c-5c233d704806@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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An interesting read, which Chris Woolf will know about, can be found at https://tinyurl.com/w23fcwjb .
Ex-ITN cameraman, Mike Coe is an IPS colleague of ours who built what he describes as ?The Autonomous House?. Not only that, but having done it once, I believe he?s building another.

Oh, and my mention of Dr Bronowski was to make the point that he was talking about what we?re facing now all that time ago, not whether or not he worked for the coal board. Let?s face it, when it comes to environmental issues, carbon emissions, etc., we?re all guilty.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 21 Oct 2021, at 13:01, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

A good question. And the full answer is really what I was trying to get at - and which several others have twigged to.

Originally this house was poorly insulated and used a classic radiator system, pumping pretty hot water round the house and trying to heat the air volume. Given a very old property that is hard work, and the heating would run for ages trying to evaporate water from the walls before the room temperature lifted discernibly. Heat transfer from a hot radiator to the bulk of a building is very poor.

The solution was not to just swap over to a heat pump (as the government would seem to have in its stupid mind) but to tackle the problem in a fully integrated fashion. We increased loft insulation and where there is no loft, used multi-layer metallised foil between the rafters. The slate floor came up, dug down, insulated, screeded, polypipe floor loops put in and the slates put back. Double-glazing isn't allowed in this listed property so we added internal wooden shutters (which actually work better). The domestic hot water system uses part ground-source, part solar hot water when it is available, and excess solar PV energy. The point of all that is that what you need is a wholesale re-think, not a bolt-on to what is there. The use of low temperature heating water running all the time means the temperature gradient to outside is less extreme, and you don't get a rush of hot air out every time you open a door or window. But the massive heat store of floor and stone walls makes the room comfortable again as soon as the door is shut.

Yes, it is capital intensive, and that to my mind, is where the government should be devoting its efforts.

The result here, is a house that retains heat in the body of the structure. There is no damp to evaporate off, so low-level cosmetic heat from a wood fire adds to room temperature in minutes. The system runs automatically, completely silently within the house, and without any maintenance. Note that all this was carried out in a listed building without any planning officer even blinking. Nobody coming here is aware of any of this work, which is all invisible - it looks very C16th still.

We are indeed fortunate in having space, partly because that allows the use of a plant room to house all the techno stuff. As to ground source, we used boreholes - more expensive than curlies but more efficient too. The area under the foundations of a new house is ample to provide the source heat volume - it should be mandated on every new  estate.

Retro-fitting old housing stock is clearly harder but it is surprising what can be done with (some) money and plenty of imagination. What doesn't work is the gradualist approach of swapping one piece of kit or trying to save money by using something that isn't really up to the mark.

The UK has atrocious quality housing, and is seriously behind the times working out how to build new houses that have any longevity or efficiency. We do need to look at other countries that have solved this problem, and embrace the rather more ambitious solutions.

Chris Woolf



On 20/10/2021 19:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

Chris, curious how a conventional boiler couldn't heat your house, but a heat pump can? Also I'd assume an old farmhouse has plenty land for a ground source system. This isn't the case for a big part of the housing stock. Of course decent insulation is the key. Sadly, again, this can be very difficult for much of our existing housing stock.

On 20/10/2021 18:25, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:

Heat pumps aren't rubbish.

Half Europe has been using them for ages and it is only the pig-ignorant British that are just beginning to catch up with the technology.

Since this country has never understood the need to keep expensive heat inside a house (using insulation) we have only considered the most ludicrous and wasteful ideas of blasting 10s of kWs into leaky boxes and then complaining about the cost.

Heat pumps are fabulously brilliant at producing 3-4 times the heat energy out that is put in - no other heating can beat that. And they run for years with no maintenance. The only thing about them that is important to understand is that they work best if you run them at a relatively low output temperature. If you have a house with acceptable insulation and thermal control this is not a problem. If you stick them in standard draughty, ill-constructed British home you do have a problem, but it isn't the heat pump.

My ground source heat pump has been running since 2013 and is doing exactly what it was intended to do very efficiently. And it does that in a very extensive, very old listed farmhouse that used to be unheatable with an oil boiler, despite vast amounts of fossil juice being fed in.

As a country we do need to re-educate ourselves in how to heat homes sensibly, and it isn't by just bolting on the cheapest replacement piece of kit. It needs the" leak out", as well as the "energy in" part of the equation to be considered.

And I agree that the government has absolutely no concept of this whatsoever.


Chris Woolf


On 20/10/2021 17:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uNKPDREa-Q

It seems that everyone except the government knows that this stuff won't work. Heat pumps are rubbish, electric cars don't have enough charging points, and we don't make enough electric anyway.

I remember about ten years ago wondering why we weren't developing the technology used in nuclear submarines.  This week we really have to have them - and we do.

B


On 20/10/2021 17:08, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:

I have just watched an interesting conversation on youtube that you may be interested in.

Hydrogen boilers,heat pumps & the future of heating.


Doug Prior

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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Fri Oct 22 04:23:02 2021
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:23:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management
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Dear Nigel,

Thank you enormously for these. And thank you for explaining the context: 'The View From The Blige' is a great send up of 'The View From The Bridge'!

Best wishes,

Robin

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Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce v. The Management

In the late 90's, our management at TVC produced a monthly newsletter called 'Focus'. It always featured an article entitled 'The View From The Bridge', with a stylised drawing of the bows of a ship. Roger Bunce decided this was ripe for satire. It was at the time that BBC Resources was about to be hived off as a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC . It was also the time that you could only purchase food and drink at the Elstree canteen using a prepaid card ('Girovend').

Clever chap, our Roger. I'm glad I kept a copy of this.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct 22 07:07:04 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 13:07:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Cobra latest BBC series
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I hadn?t noticed, not being familiar with the area, but it?s all part of the magic of films ? like the camera never lies, does it?
I?ve often shot in Vienna, playing the part of Moscow, but Vienna is a much more pleasant location, I assume, particularly for chocolate cake!
Pat

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From: B Wilkinson via Tech1
Sent: 21 October 2021 16:44
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Cobra latest BBC series

The latest Cobra series about the explosion of the WW2 ship sunk just off the Southern Coast of the Thames estuary has a bit of an anomaly in locations in it.
Being a local I noticed that the shore station used after the explosion was actually located at Fleetwood in Lancashire. Did anyone else notice?

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Oct 22 10:01:59 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:01:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid management
Message-ID: <9C16F21483954566B2D6F3B2D00112BE@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

This article struck me as having useful things to say.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Oct 22 11:47:19 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:47:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid management
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Involves Boris making a decision, ain?t gonna happen till it?s too late.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 22 Oct 2021, at 16:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This article struck me as having useful things to say.
>  
> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct 22 14:07:18 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:07:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid management
In-Reply-To: <D1DB816A-CFEB-4C45-9511-AB251E089F01@icloud.com>
References: <D1DB816A-CFEB-4C45-9511-AB251E089F01@icloud.com>
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The aspect which worries me is that any normal person learns from their mistakes.  Johnson refuses to concede that he made any mistakes, so therefore there is nothing for him to learn from the previous Covid cycles.

It seems inevitable that the minimum possible number of half-hearted measures will again be reluctantly introduced much later than they should have been. Bolts, stable door, vanished horse etc for the third or more time.

In the hospital my wife works in, there are loads of Covid cases, some are very serious indeed and many of them have been fully vaccinated. Many of the staff in other wards have caught it too, but in her ward they have to take more stringent precautions because the patient?s are so critically ill and the staff have been OK so far. The hospital has been working flat out for more than eighteen months, initially dealing with Covid - twice, then trying to catch up with postponed procedures and now they are having to cancel appointments and procedures to prioritise Covid patients again. On any given day or night there are currently dozens of unfilled shifts around her hospital and it?s only a small hospital.  Heaven only knows what will happen if cases dramatically increase.

There were concerns some months ago that if Covid were allowed to rip through a partially-vaccinated population, it would make the UK into a huge Petri dish optimised for breeding new variants.  We now see that the AY.4.2 variant ( AKA Delta plus variant ) is showing up in significant numbers in England and appears to be more transmissible than the Delta variant. This comes as no surprise at all to people with even a superficial understanding of how viruses spread and mutate. 

Alan Taylor

> On 22 Oct 2021, at 17:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Involves Boris making a decision, ain?t gonna happen till it?s too late.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 16:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> This article struck me as having useful things to say.
>> 
>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 22 14:20:06 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:20:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid management
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Many other countries are at similar levels of vaccination as the UK, but 
have currently much lower rates of infection. Why is that? Or is it just 
the cycling up and down of figures we've seen before?

On 22/10/2021 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> The aspect which worries me is that any normal person learns from their mistakes.  Johnson refuses to concede that he made any mistakes, so therefore there is nothing for him to learn from the previous Covid cycles.
>
> It seems inevitable that the minimum possible number of half-hearted measures will again be reluctantly introduced much later than they should have been. Bolts, stable door, vanished horse etc for the third or more time.
>
> In the hospital my wife works in, there are loads of Covid cases, some are very serious indeed and many of them have been fully vaccinated. Many of the staff in other wards have caught it too, but in her ward they have to take more stringent precautions because the patient?s are so critically ill and the staff have been OK so far. The hospital has been working flat out for more than eighteen months, initially dealing with Covid - twice, then trying to catch up with postponed procedures and now they are having to cancel appointments and procedures to prioritise Covid patients again. On any given day or night there are currently dozens of unfilled shifts around her hospital and it?s only a small hospital.  Heaven only knows what will happen if cases dramatically increase.
>
> There were concerns some months ago that if Covid were allowed to rip through a partially-vaccinated population, it would make the UK into a huge Petri dish optimised for breeding new variants.  We now see that the AY.4.2 variant ( AKA Delta plus variant ) is showing up in significant numbers in England and appears to be more transmissible than the Delta variant. This comes as no surprise at all to people with even a superficial understanding of how viruses spread and mutate.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 17:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Involves Boris making a decision, ain?t gonna happen till it?s too late.
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 16:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> This article struck me as having useful things to say.
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks
>>>
>>> Dave Newbitt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct 22 14:57:08 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:57:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid management
In-Reply-To: <b3221054-e20a-b868-bf43-cad5e62f0b31@btinternet.com>
References: <b3221054-e20a-b868-bf43-cad5e62f0b31@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CB823C45-1D93-4A56-9B51-4C7F14959B52@me.com>

If you?re talking about European countries, most of them have made wearing masks obligatory ( in Germany it has to be an FFP2 medical grade mask ).  They also have checks of vaccination status before you are allowed into places like bars and restaurants. The public go along with it too because they are intelligent enough to understand why they are required to do these things and besides, they can look across the Channel to see what happens if they don?t.

Alan Taylor

> On 22 Oct 2021, at 20:20, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Many other countries are at similar levels of vaccination as the UK, but have currently much lower rates of infection. Why is that? Or is it just the cycling up and down of figures we've seen before?
> 
>> On 22/10/2021 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> The aspect which worries me is that any normal person learns from their mistakes.  Johnson refuses to concede that he made any mistakes, so therefore there is nothing for him to learn from the previous Covid cycles.
>> 
>> It seems inevitable that the minimum possible number of half-hearted measures will again be reluctantly introduced much later than they should have been. Bolts, stable door, vanished horse etc for the third or more time.
>> 
>> In the hospital my wife works in, there are loads of Covid cases, some are very serious indeed and many of them have been fully vaccinated. Many of the staff in other wards have caught it too, but in her ward they have to take more stringent precautions because the patient?s are so critically ill and the staff have been OK so far. The hospital has been working flat out for more than eighteen months, initially dealing with Covid - twice, then trying to catch up with postponed procedures and now they are having to cancel appointments and procedures to prioritise Covid patients again. On any given day or night there are currently dozens of unfilled shifts around her hospital and it?s only a small hospital.  Heaven only knows what will happen if cases dramatically increase.
>> 
>> There were concerns some months ago that if Covid were allowed to rip through a partially-vaccinated population, it would make the UK into a huge Petri dish optimised for breeding new variants.  We now see that the AY.4.2 variant ( AKA Delta plus variant ) is showing up in significant numbers in England and appears to be more transmissible than the Delta variant. This comes as no surprise at all to people with even a superficial understanding of how viruses spread and mutate.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 17:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Involves Boris making a decision, ain?t gonna happen till it?s too late.
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 16:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This article struck me as having useful things to say.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sat Oct 23 03:58:36 2021
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 08:58:36 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting bit of Kit  RONIN-4D
Message-ID: <60146a74-e09d-4eb1-97f2-b84f747c3a52@me.com>

Hi Folks,Has anybody used one yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7DnNoAnbDchttps://www.dji.com/uk/ronin-4dTony N.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 04:28:56 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:28:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting bit of Kit RONIN-4D
In-Reply-To: <60146a74-e09d-4eb1-97f2-b84f747c3a52@me.com>
References: <60146a74-e09d-4eb1-97f2-b84f747c3a52@me.com>
Message-ID: <b9e23591-81c0-a52d-56cb-3b1e714b33dd@gmail.com>

I have a DJI Osmo Mobile 3.? Not quite in the same ball park, but a very 
good phone steadicam

B



On 23/10/2021 09:58, William Nuttall wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Has anybody used one yet?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7DnNoAnbDc 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7DnNoAnbDc>
>
> https://www.dji.com/uk/ronin-4d <https://www.dji.com/uk/ronin-4d>
>
> Tony N.

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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 23 04:30:53 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:30:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid management
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Message-ID: <196EDFC1-DB31-4B82-8068-838D2C28AC71@btinternet.com>

Interesting stuff

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5213737805/building-a-photo-and-video-editing-pc-part-1-cpu-and-motherboard?ref_=pe_1822230_610131980_dpr_nl_501_11

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Oct 2021, at 20:20, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Many other countries are at similar levels of vaccination as the UK, but have currently much lower rates of infection. Why is that? Or is it just the cycling up and down of figures we've seen before?
> 
>> On 22/10/2021 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> The aspect which worries me is that any normal person learns from their mistakes.  Johnson refuses to concede that he made any mistakes, so therefore there is nothing for him to learn from the previous Covid cycles.
>> 
>> It seems inevitable that the minimum possible number of half-hearted measures will again be reluctantly introduced much later than they should have been. Bolts, stable door, vanished horse etc for the third or more time.
>> 
>> In the hospital my wife works in, there are loads of Covid cases, some are very serious indeed and many of them have been fully vaccinated. Many of the staff in other wards have caught it too, but in her ward they have to take more stringent precautions because the patient?s are so critically ill and the staff have been OK so far. The hospital has been working flat out for more than eighteen months, initially dealing with Covid - twice, then trying to catch up with postponed procedures and now they are having to cancel appointments and procedures to prioritise Covid patients again. On any given day or night there are currently dozens of unfilled shifts around her hospital and it?s only a small hospital.  Heaven only knows what will happen if cases dramatically increase.
>> 
>> There were concerns some months ago that if Covid were allowed to rip through a partially-vaccinated population, it would make the UK into a huge Petri dish optimised for breeding new variants.  We now see that the AY.4.2 variant ( AKA Delta plus variant ) is showing up in significant numbers in England and appears to be more transmissible than the Delta variant. This comes as no surprise at all to people with even a superficial understanding of how viruses spread and mutate.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 17:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Involves Boris making a decision, ain?t gonna happen till it?s too late.
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 16:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This article struck me as having useful things to say.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 23 05:04:43 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:04:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting bit of Kit RONIN-4D
In-Reply-To: <b9e23591-81c0-a52d-56cb-3b1e714b33dd@gmail.com>
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That looks like an amazing bit of kit.  The gimbal stuff looks great, but we?ve seen most of that before.  The stand-out feature which impressed me was the LIDAR focussing.  It?s not simply that they have added it to their camera, but they have devised a way of exploiting it so that operators can use it in a new and creative manner.

If that RF link is as rugged as the demo suggests, I could see these cameras being used on the pitch for live coverage at events like rugby matches instead of the heavy radio cams and Steadicams  used these days.

Having accurate remote control of focus, exposure and other parameters via radio would be a huge advantage even in fairly static setups, especially if it ever allowed raw recordings to be made, as raw allows more latitude for corrections retrospectively.  When we used to use the LPU on location, there was a van full of people looking after these aspects and now much of that functionality could be replicated by a camera operator and one other person. 

I wasn?t sure whether the gimbal could act as a hot head. It looks as though it could, which could make it very useful in sensitive situations where having actual camera operators feels intrusive, or else there simply isn?t room.  I could imagine a lot of documentary work finding uses for these cameras - even if there are no shots of people running about like mad things.

My feeling is that the gimbal will initially impress people, but the focussing system and RF link is what will turn out to be the real advantage. 

Alan Taylor


> On 23 Oct 2021, at 10:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I have a DJI Osmo Mobile 3.  Not quite in the same ball park, but a very good phone steadicam
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/10/2021 09:58, William Nuttall wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> Has anybody used one yet?
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7DnNoAnbDc
>> 
>> https://www.dji.com/uk/ronin-4d
>> 
>> Tony N.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 05:36:14 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:36:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
In-Reply-To: <196EDFC1-DB31-4B82-8068-838D2C28AC71@btinternet.com>
References: <b3221054-e20a-b868-bf43-cad5e62f0b31@btinternet.com>
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I've just - after several days - solved a problem on this home built 
PC.? It started crashing, mostly on start up, during Windows loading. It 
seemed at first that some Windows update must have caused it, so I did 
all kinds of things. None worked, and gradually I had to accept that I 
was going to have to buy a new power supply, at around ?50, without 
knowing whether it was the problem.? Luckily it was, so my unwilling 
investment was a success.

I think I'd had the old power supply through several generations of 
rebuild, so old electrolytics were probably the reason.

I've been building PCs since the late nineties, first at the BBC, where 
the establishment hadn't yet worked out that Photoshop and After Effects 
were going to replace Quantel at much lower cost and didn't want to join 
in.? I got a company to build the first one for us, but I had to take it 
apart to fit the enormous Matrox Digisuite video card in.? After that, I 
just built them from the bits we needed to get the job done.?? At home, 
the natural progression was to follow on and just build from bits.? You 
can buy cheaper stuff, and I have for other places, but if you put your 
own together you can pick exactly what you want.? This one I'm using is 
probably the fifth or sixth incarnation, but the keyboard is still the 
original 1998 one.

B





On 23/10/2021 10:30, Ravenscourt via Tech1 wrote:
> Interesting stuff
>
> https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5213737805/building-a-photo-and-video-editing-pc-part-1-cpu-and-motherboard?ref_=pe_1822230_610131980_dpr_nl_501_11 
> <https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5213737805/building-a-photo-and-video-editing-pc-part-1-cpu-and-motherboard?ref_=pe_1822230_610131980_dpr_nl_501_11>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 20:20, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Many other countries are at similar levels of vaccination as the UK, 
>> but have currently much lower rates of infection. Why is that? Or is 
>> it just the cycling up and down of figures we've seen before?
>>
>> On 22/10/2021 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> The aspect which worries me is that any normal person learns from 
>>> their mistakes. ?Johnson refuses to concede that he made any 
>>> mistakes, so therefore there is nothing for him to learn from the 
>>> previous Covid cycles.
>>>
>>> It seems inevitable that the minimum possible number of half-hearted 
>>> measures will again be reluctantly introduced much later than they 
>>> should have been. Bolts, stable door, vanished horse etc for the 
>>> third or more time.
>>>
>>> In the hospital my wife works in, there are loads of Covid cases, 
>>> some are very serious indeed and many of them have been fully 
>>> vaccinated. Many of the staff in other wards have caught it too, but 
>>> in her ward they have to take more stringent precautions because the 
>>> patient?s are so critically ill and the staff have been OK so far. 
>>> The hospital has been working flat out for more than eighteen 
>>> months, initially dealing with Covid - twice, then trying to catch 
>>> up with postponed procedures and now they are having to cancel 
>>> appointments and procedures to prioritise Covid patients again. On 
>>> any given day or night there are currently dozens of unfilled shifts 
>>> around her hospital and it?s only a small hospital. ?Heaven only 
>>> knows what will happen if cases dramatically increase.
>>>
>>> There were concerns some months ago that if Covid were allowed to 
>>> rip through a partially-vaccinated population, it would make the UK 
>>> into a huge Petri dish optimised for breeding new variants. ?We now 
>>> see that the AY.4.2 variant ( AKA Delta plus variant ) is showing up 
>>> in significant numbers in England and appears to be more 
>>> transmissible than the Delta variant. This comes as no surprise at 
>>> all to people with even a superficial understanding of how viruses 
>>> spread and mutate.
>>>
>>> Alan Taylor
>>>
>>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 17:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Involves Boris making a decision, ain?t gonna happen till it?s too 
>>>> late.
>>>> ?
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 16:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This article struck me as having useful things to say.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Newbitt.
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 23 05:53:20 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:53:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
In-Reply-To: <2cb33732-8f54-ceb7-3925-56fb485bf3a2@gmail.com>
References: <b3221054-e20a-b868-bf43-cad5e62f0b31@btinternet.com>
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What did the BIOS pages report as regards the various power rails from 
the PS? Most will give a warning if low. Think you can find a prog which 
gives them with Windows running too.

On 23/10/2021 11:36, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I've just - after several days - solved a problem on this home built 
> PC.? It started crashing, mostly on start up, during Windows loading. 
> It seemed at first that some Windows update must have caused it, so I 
> did all kinds of things. None worked, and gradually I had to accept 
> that I was going to have to buy a new power supply, at around ?50, 
> without knowing whether it was the problem.? Luckily it was, so my 
> unwilling investment was a success.
>
> I think I'd had the old power supply through several generations of 
> rebuild, so old electrolytics were probably the reason.
>
> I've been building PCs since the late nineties, first at the BBC, 
> where the establishment hadn't yet worked out that Photoshop and After 
> Effects were going to replace Quantel at much lower cost and didn't 
> want to join in.? I got a company to build the first one for us, but I 
> had to take it apart to fit the enormous Matrox Digisuite video card 
> in.? After that, I just built them from the bits we needed to get the 
> job done.?? At home, the natural progression was to follow on and just 
> build from bits.? You can buy cheaper stuff, and I have for other 
> places, but if you put your own together you can pick exactly what you 
> want.? This one I'm using is probably the fifth or sixth incarnation, 
> but the keyboard is still the original 1998 one.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
> On 23/10/2021 10:30, Ravenscourt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Interesting stuff
>>
>> https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5213737805/building-a-photo-and-video-editing-pc-part-1-cpu-and-motherboard?ref_=pe_1822230_610131980_dpr_nl_501_11
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 20:20, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Many other countries are at similar levels of vaccination as the 
>>> UK, but have currently much lower rates of infection. Why is that? 
>>> Or is it just the cycling up and down of figures we've seen before?
>>>
>>> On 22/10/2021 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> The aspect which worries me is that any normal person learns from 
>>>> their mistakes. ?Johnson refuses to concede that he made any 
>>>> mistakes, so therefore there is nothing for him to learn from the 
>>>> previous Covid cycles.
>>>>
>>>> It seems inevitable that the minimum possible number of 
>>>> half-hearted measures will again be reluctantly introduced much 
>>>> later than they should have been. Bolts, stable door, vanished 
>>>> horse etc for the third or more time.
>>>>
>>>> In the hospital my wife works in, there are loads of Covid cases, 
>>>> some are very serious indeed and many of them have been fully 
>>>> vaccinated. Many of the staff in other wards have caught it too, 
>>>> but in her ward they have to take more stringent precautions 
>>>> because the patient?s are so critically ill and the staff have been 
>>>> OK so far. The hospital has been working flat out for more than 
>>>> eighteen months, initially dealing with Covid - twice, then trying 
>>>> to catch up with postponed procedures and now they are having to 
>>>> cancel appointments and procedures to prioritise Covid patients 
>>>> again. On any given day or night there are currently dozens of 
>>>> unfilled shifts around her hospital and it?s only a small hospital. 
>>>> ?Heaven only knows what will happen if cases dramatically increase.
>>>>
>>>> There were concerns some months ago that if Covid were allowed to 
>>>> rip through a partially-vaccinated population, it would make the UK 
>>>> into a huge Petri dish optimised for breeding new variants. ?We now 
>>>> see that the AY.4.2 variant ( AKA Delta plus variant ) is showing 
>>>> up in significant numbers in England and appears to be more 
>>>> transmissible than the Delta variant. This comes as no surprise at 
>>>> all to people with even a superficial understanding of how viruses 
>>>> spread and mutate.
>>>>
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 17:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Involves Boris making a decision, ain?t gonna happen till it?s 
>>>>> too late.
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22 Oct 2021, at 16:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This article struck me as having useful things to say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Newbitt.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct 23 06:49:30 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:49:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
In-Reply-To: <2cb33732-8f54-ceb7-3925-56fb485bf3a2@gmail.com>
References: <b3221054-e20a-b868-bf43-cad5e62f0b31@btinternet.com><196EDFC1-DB31-4B82-8068-838D2C28AC71@btinternet.com>
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This is a thread calculated to elicit more opinions than there are components! Dare I start the ball rolling?

My PC at 6 years old had more glitches than enough and yet another clean re-install of the OS seemed not worthwhile with Windows 11 imminent (and my CPU and Mobo incompatible with the new version anyway). I decided to modernise but took the cowards way out and opted for a custom spec build by specialists.

My last three PC?s have all been built by PC Specialist but this time I opted for Punch Technology as they include in their range a number of models pitched at users whose requirement is focussed on photo/video editing. Using one of these as the baseline I tweaked the spec a little and ordered some weeks ago. I found them excellent and particularly ethical in their pricing insofar as they charge out in line with what they themselves have paid for the particular component. For example I had specified the PSU as a Corsair TX550M 80 Plus Gold Semi-Modular. They responded by pointing out to me they could offer the higher spec., fully modular Corsair RM750 80 Plus Gold for ?19.20 LESS incl. VAT which of course offers far better reserve capacity for further drives or whatever in the future.

Part 1 of the DP Review as posted by Ravenscourt deals with CPU and Mobo. I specified the 11th gen Intel Core i5-11600K 3.9GHz 6Core, 12Thread (without overclocking) and the Gigabyte Z590 AORUS Elite AX ATX. I shall be interested to see how the ensuing DP Review episodes look in relation to my other component choices.

Current supply problems might significantly skew the cost advantages of self build if chosen components are unavailable or priced ever upwards in response to demand. Equally one might be driven to higher cost components for the same reason. I?m aware that the Seagate Ironwolf Pro HDD?s are available in 6TB versions but not 4TB (obviously this may change but was the case when I was shopping).

Dave Newbitt.


From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 11:36 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] PC building


I've just - after several days - solved a problem on this home built PC.  It started crashing, mostly on start up, during Windows loading. It seemed at first that some Windows update must have caused it, so I did all kinds of things. None worked, and gradually I had to accept that I was going to have to buy a new power supply, at around ?50, without knowing whether it was the problem.  Luckily it was, so my unwilling investment was a success.  

I think I'd had the old power supply through several generations of rebuild, so old electrolytics were probably the reason.

I've been building PCs since the late nineties, first at the BBC, where the establishment hadn't yet worked out that Photoshop and After Effects were going to replace Quantel at much lower cost and didn't want to join in.  I got a company to build the first one for us, but I had to take it apart to fit the enormous Matrox Digisuite video card in.  After that, I just built them from the bits we needed to get the job done.   At home, the natural progression was to follow on and just build from bits.  You can buy cheaper stuff, and I have for other places, but if you put your own together you can pick exactly what you want.  This one I'm using is probably the fifth or sixth incarnation, but the keyboard is still the original 1998 one.

B






On 23/10/2021 10:30, Ravenscourt via Tech1 wrote:

  Interesting stuff 

  https://www.dpreview.com/articles/5213737805/building-a-photo-and-video-editing-pc-part-1-cpu-and-motherboard?ref_=pe_1822230_610131980_dpr_nl_501_11


  Sent from my iPhone


    On 22 Oct 2021, at 20:20, Dave Plowman via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:


    ?Many other countries are at similar levels of vaccination as the UK, but have currently much lower rates of infection. Why is that? Or is it just the cycling up and down of figures we've seen before?

    On 22/10/2021 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

      The aspect which worries me is that any normal person learns from their mistakes.  Johnson refuses to concede that he made any mistakes, so therefore there is nothing for him to learn from the previous Covid cycles.



      It seems inevitable that the minimum possible number of half-hearted measures will again be reluctantly introduced much later than they should have been. Bolts, stable door, vanished horse etc for the third or more time.



      In the hospital my wife works in, there are loads of Covid cases, some are very serious indeed and many of them have been fully vaccinated. Many of the staff in other wards have caught it too, but in her ward they have to take more stringent precautions because the patient?s are so critically ill and the staff have been OK so far. The hospital has been working flat out for more than eighteen months, initially dealing with Covid - twice, then trying to catch up with postponed procedures and now they are having to cancel appointments and procedures to prioritise Covid patients again. On any given day or night there are currently dozens of unfilled shifts around her hospital and it?s only a small hospital.  Heaven only knows what will happen if cases dramatically increase.



      There were concerns some months ago that if Covid were allowed to rip through a partially-vaccinated population, it would make the UK into a huge Petri dish optimised for breeding new variants.  We now see that the AY.4.2 variant ( AKA Delta plus variant ) is showing up in significant numbers in England and appears to be more transmissible than the Delta variant. This comes as no surprise at all to people with even a superficial understanding of how viruses spread and mutate.



      Alan Taylor



        On 22 Oct 2021, at 17:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:



        ?Involves Boris making a decision, ain?t gonna happen till it?s too late.

        ?

        Graeme Wall





          On 22 Oct 2021, at 16:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:



          This article struck me as having useful things to say.



          https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-control-covid-winter-lockdown-plan-b-vaccine-certification-masks



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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 23 07:19:46 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:19:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting bit of Kit RONIN-4D
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They start at about ?6k, which to me seems pretty reasonable for what it is.

https://store.dji.com/uk/product/dji-ronin-4d?vid=107481

Alan Taylor



> On 23 Oct 2021, at 12:56, B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> ?How much do they cost? I have a birthday coming up.???
> It makes a Philips PC 80 look a bit ?.erm?.Stone Age.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On 23 Oct 2021, at 12:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> That looks like an amazing bit of kit.  The gimbal stuff looks great, but we?ve seen most of that before.  The stand-out feature which impressed me was the LIDAR focussing.  It?s not simply that they have added it to their camera, but they have devised a way of exploiting it so that operators can use it in a new and creative manner.
>> 
>> If that RF link is as rugged as the demo suggests, I could see these cameras being used on the pitch for live coverage at events like rugby matches instead of the heavy radio cams and Steadicams  used these days.
>> 
>> Having accurate remote control of focus, exposure and other parameters via radio would be a huge advantage even in fairly static setups, especially if it ever allowed raw recordings to be made, as raw allows more latitude for corrections retrospectively.  When we used to use the LPU on location, there was a van full of people looking after these aspects and now much of that functionality could be replicated by a camera operator and one other person. 
>> 
>> I wasn?t sure whether the gimbal could act as a hot head. It looks as though it could, which could make it very useful in sensitive situations where having actual camera operators feels intrusive, or else there simply isn?t room.  I could imagine a lot of documentary work finding uses for these cameras - even if there are no shots of people running about like mad things.
>> 
>> My feeling is that the gimbal will initially impress people, but the focussing system and RF link is what will turn out to be the real advantage. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 23 Oct 2021, at 10:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ? I have a DJI Osmo Mobile 3.  Not quite in the same ball park, but a very good phone steadicam
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23/10/2021 09:58, William Nuttall wrote:
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> 
>>>> Has anybody used one yet?
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7DnNoAnbDc
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.dji.com/uk/ronin-4d
>>>> 
>>>> Tony N.
>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct 23 08:22:30 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:22:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
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I am in awe of you chaps who build their own computers!
I?m back in the Meccano age ? if I can?t construct it in that, I?m lost!
Video editing ? I have had great success with Pinnacle, which I believe to be quite similar to AVID. Currently have installed version 22, and resisting upgrading to 25 at considerable cost.
As I have a Sony semi-pro camera, I get Sony?s newsletters. There was a recent puff for a cloud based system, allowing material to be fired up directly from the camera, and collected by editors anywhere in the world. Forget rushes via postal etc and does away with radio links and old tech to get the footage back to where it?s needed.

Also awed by Chris Woolf?s postings on various matters. Chris -you seem to be extremely up to speed on many varied things, or at least, know where to find the answers!

Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 23 October 2021 12:49
To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] PC building

This is a thread calculated to elicit more opinions than there are components! Dare I start the ball rolling?
?



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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 23 08:36:02 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:36:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
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With a desktop, it is quite similar to Meccano. Much of it is just 
bolting things in.

My workhorse PC (don't use it for games etc) had to have a big upgrade 
when Win7 ceased to be supported. So got a new state of the art 
motherboard - to future proof as much as practical. One facility I did 
want to keep was the DigiGram sound card - balanced in and out, and the 
pro digital in outs. A new one with similar facilities, not cheap. But 
new MB didn't have the correct PCIe slot - so had to get an adaptor. And 
fitting all that was more mechanical engineering.

I've also stayed with the old clacky-clack IBM style keyboard. Must be 
about 30 years old, but still looks and works like new.

On 23/10/2021 14:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I am in awe of you chaps who build their own computers!
>
> I?m back in the Meccano age ? if I can?t construct it in that, I?m lost!
>
> Video editing ? I have had great success with Pinnacle, which I 
> believe to be quite similar to AVID. Currently have installed version 
> 22, and resisting upgrading to 25 at considerable cost.
>
> As I have a Sony semi-pro camera, I get Sony?s newsletters. There was 
> a recent puff for a cloud based system, allowing material to be fired 
> up directly from the camera, and collected by editors anywhere in the 
> world. Forget rushes via postal etc and does away with radio links and 
> old tech to get the footage back to where it?s needed.
>
> Also awed by Chris Woolf?s postings on various matters. Chris -you 
> seem to be extremely up to speed on many varied things, or at least, 
> know where to find the answers!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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>
> This is a thread calculated to elicit more opinions than there are 
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>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct 23 10:10:06 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
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I have two Dell tower enclosures, if anyone would like them.
Excellent condition. There are some electronics inside, but I?ll remove the hard drives for security.
Pity to take them to the tip, sorry - community recycling centre, so they are up for grabs at no charge. More convenient if recipient collects (near Leatherhead, v. close to M25 and A3).
Can post a photo if required, when I?m back home from Somerset.
Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 23 October 2021 14:36
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] PC building

With a desktop, it is quite similar to Meccano. Much of it is just bolting things in.
My workhorse PC (don't use it for games etc) had to have a big upgrade when Win7 ceased to be supported. So got a new state of the art motherboard - to future proof as much as practical. One facility I did want to keep was the DigiGram sound card - balanced in and out, and the pro digital in outs. A new one with similar facilities, not cheap. But new MB didn't have the correct PCIe slot - so had to get an adaptor. And fitting all that was more mechanical engineering.
I've also stayed with the old clacky-clack IBM style keyboard. Must be about 30 years old, but still looks and works like new.
On 23/10/2021 14:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
I am in awe of you chaps who build their own computers!
I?m back in the Meccano age ? if I can?t construct it in that, I?m lost!
Video editing ? I have had great success with Pinnacle, which I believe to be quite similar to AVID. Currently have installed version 22, and resisting upgrading to 25 at considerable cost.
As I have a Sony semi-pro camera, I get Sony?s newsletters. There was a recent puff for a cloud based system, allowing material to be fired up directly from the camera, and collected by editors anywhere in the world. Forget rushes via postal etc and does away with radio links and old tech to get the footage back to where it?s needed.
?
Also awed by Chris Woolf?s postings on various matters. Chris -you seem to be extremely up to speed on many varied things, or at least, know where to find the answers!
?
Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows
?
From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 23 October 2021 12:49
To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 23 10:22:41 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:22:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.
Message-ID: <b09b23e3-a7a5-6596-a5d2-65cea3ba3e30@btinternet.com>

Anyone else been following this with a very sad sense of incredulity?

Of course guns were pretty rare in the TV progs I worked on. And perhaps 
things have changed. But I do remember just how carefully they were 
handled. The armourer keeping them under his direct control and handing 
it to the actor. Depending on the reporting, Alec Baldwin was handed it 
by a props man or AD. Others said the armourer had gone home.

Other reports say virtually the entire crew had walked out earlier, due 
to not being paid and concerns over safety issues. And been replaced by 
non union labour.

Alec Baldwin was not only starring, but the or a producer. So cannot 
just pass the buck, as must be responsible for the lack of safety 
enforcement on set.

If this is the direction the industry is going, I'm glad I retired when 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 11:08:26 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:08:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
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Just download DaVinci Resolve. It's free

B

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021, 14:22 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> I am in awe of you chaps who build their own computers!
>
> I?m back in the Meccano age ? if I can?t construct it in that, I?m lost!
>
> Video editing ? I have had great success with Pinnacle, which I believe to
> be quite similar to AVID. Currently have installed version 22, and
> resisting upgrading to 25 at considerable cost.
>
> As I have a Sony semi-pro camera, I get Sony?s newsletters. There was a
> recent puff for a cloud based system, allowing material to be fired up
> directly from the camera, and collected by editors anywhere in the world.
> Forget rushes via postal etc and does away with radio links and old tech to
> get the footage back to where it?s needed.
>
>
>
> Also awed by Chris Woolf?s postings on various matters. Chris -you seem to
> be extremely up to speed on many varied things, or at least, know where to
> find the answers!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
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> *Cc: *dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] PC building
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 11:09:08 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:09:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
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And building computers is like Lego. Really easy

B

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021, 14:22 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> I am in awe of you chaps who build their own computers!
>
> I?m back in the Meccano age ? if I can?t construct it in that, I?m lost!
>
> Video editing ? I have had great success with Pinnacle, which I believe to
> be quite similar to AVID. Currently have installed version 22, and
> resisting upgrading to 25 at considerable cost.
>
> As I have a Sony semi-pro camera, I get Sony?s newsletters. There was a
> recent puff for a cloud based system, allowing material to be fired up
> directly from the camera, and collected by editors anywhere in the world.
> Forget rushes via postal etc and does away with radio links and old tech to
> get the footage back to where it?s needed.
>
>
>
> Also awed by Chris Woolf?s postings on various matters. Chris -you seem to
> be extremely up to speed on many varied things, or at least, know where to
> find the answers!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *23 October 2021 12:49
> *To: *Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Cc: *dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] PC building
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 23 11:13:00 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:13:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.
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The part of that story which amazes me is the references to ?hot gun? and ?cold gun? on the set.  I can?t think of any circumstances when anybody would allow a hot gun ( loaded with real bullets ) on a British set.

Latest reports suggest that a floor manager might have taken the wrong gun from three which were left on a trolley, believing it to be a ?cold gun?.  If that is true, I am shocked that a loaded gun could be left unattended anywhere near a movie location.  I?ve no idea what the rules are for Hollywood productions, but that must surely break any number of rules. 

Some reports are claiming that some of the crew previously walked off due to unsafe working practices and they were replaced with non-union people. If the armourer turned out to be one of those replacements, there could be all sorts of consequences. 

I did a fair few drama shoots with firearms and don?t know of any occasion when live ammunition was present.  Even close-up shots of guns being loaded were done with bullets which contained no detonator or charge, but still looked real. 

Armourers have always been fastidious, checking over firearms before and between takes and accounting for all the blanks taken onto and off the set.  I might not have much regard for some special effects people, but I?ve never felt concerned by any armourer?s competence or safety procedures.

I did a show where live high calibre rounds were used during a science demo, where a bullet-proof car window was being put through it?s paces.  They took comprehensive precautions in case of unexpected ricochets. Everybody was withdrawn to a safe distance and hid behind a shield, including camera crew, leaving just the marksman to do the shooting. Coverage was courtesy of locked off cameras.

Alan Taylor


> On 23 Oct 2021, at 16:23, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Anyone else been following this with a very sad sense of incredulity?
> 
> Of course guns were pretty rare in the TV progs I worked on. And perhaps things have changed. But I do remember just how carefully they were handled. The armourer keeping them under his direct control and handing it to the actor. Depending on the reporting, Alec Baldwin was handed it by a props man or AD. Others said the armourer had gone home.
> 
> Other reports say virtually the entire crew had walked out earlier, due to not being paid and concerns over safety issues. And been replaced by non union labour.  
> 
> Alec Baldwin was not only starring, but the or a producer. So cannot just pass the buck, as must be responsible for the lack of safety enforcement on set.
> 
> If this is the direction the industry is going, I'm glad I retired when I did.
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 23 11:17:11 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:17:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
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> And building computers is like Lego. Really easy.

Re-installing windows is much easier with Lego.

Alan Taylor

From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 23 11:30:17 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:30:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
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Pity you never joined the IPS, Pat. Then you?d know just how true that is. Chris doesn?t know where to find the answers, he?s the source of most of them!
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 23 Oct 2021, at 14:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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[snip]
 Also awed by Chris Woolf?s postings on various matters. Chris -you seem to be extremely up to speed on many varied things, or at least, know where to find the answers!

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Oct 23 11:32:36 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:32:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.
In-Reply-To: <b09b23e3-a7a5-6596-a5d2-65cea3ba3e30@btinternet.com>
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According to reports, the armourer (sic) was a 20 year old girl with little experience. 
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 23 Oct 2021, at 16:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Anyone else been following this with a very sad sense of incredulity?
> 
> Of course guns were pretty rare in the TV progs I worked on. And perhaps things have changed. But I do remember just how carefully they were handled. The armourer keeping them under his direct control and handing it to the actor. Depending on the reporting, Alec Baldwin was handed it by a props man or AD. Others said the armourer had gone home.
> 
> Other reports say virtually the entire crew had walked out earlier, due to not being paid and concerns over safety issues. And been replaced by non union labour.  
> 
> Alec Baldwin was not only starring, but the or a producer. So cannot just pass the buck, as must be responsible for the lack of safety enforcement on set.
> 
> If this is the direction the industry is going, I'm glad I retired when I did.
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Oct 23 11:39:30 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 17:39:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PC building
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On 23/10/2021 14:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> ...
>
> Also awed by Chris Woolf?s postings on various matters. Chris -you 
> seem to be extremely up to speed on many varied things, or at least, 
> know where to find the answers!
>

Thank you, kind sir.? It's mainly because I've switched back and forth 
between operations and engineering all my working life, and I'm still 
doing research and design for new equipment. After an awful lot of years 
you inevitably pick up the ability to sift and sort reliable 
information, if you don't already have experience of it.

There's quite a few on this list who demonstrate considerable skills of 
that kind.


Chris W


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From relong at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 23 12:34:41 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:34:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.
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Its deeply sad.
When we have filmed real guns firing blanks the armourer was always in attendance .
Mostly it was Baptys and they were very professional.
On Jack Golds Arturo Ui we restaged the Valentines Day Massacre with real Thompson sub machine guns, what a racket they made, it was quite scary and smokey.
Any guns aimed anywhere near camera needed armoured plexiglass screens and minimum crew with goggles
Blanks can produce spurious wadding at hi velocity
We fired Lewis Guns with wooden blanks on Monocled Mutineer, this was a truly splendid noise, but no body was down range of that.
The Maxim and German MG had hi rates of fire but not the noise of the Lewis and its original training blanks.
When War Walking we fired numerous weapons in the Butts under strict supervision, but I remember at Bisley when firing an Armstrong MG with 303 rounds on their range, the Safety Officer said, even with the red flag flying and an effective range of 2 m some dog walkers still walked downrange..
We did borrow weapons from various museums in Belgium and France, they came just with our researcher
We did one ptc with the Brigadier presenter repeated pulling the trigger mech during his piece and we were on a long lense looking down the barrel
of the German MG.
Later we discovered there was a live round jammed in the mech, so much for the museum and our professionalism, mistakes can be made.
We cant really judge till all the evidence is presented.
It seemed an unhappy set, with union problems and long hours, there is a dispute on going in Hollywood.
Why they need to fire live guns  now  is a mystery, its so easy to CGI effective flash and smoke.

> On 23 Oct 2021, at 16:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Anyone else been following this with a very sad sense of incredulity?
> 
> Of course guns were pretty rare in the TV progs I worked on. And perhaps things have changed. But I do remember just how carefully they were handled. The armourer keeping them under his direct control and handing it to the actor. Depending on the reporting, Alec Baldwin was handed it by a props man or AD. Others said the armourer had gone home.
> 
> Other reports say virtually the entire crew had walked out earlier, due to not being paid and concerns over safety issues. And been replaced by non union labour.  
> 
> Alec Baldwin was not only starring, but the or a producer. So cannot just pass the buck, as must be responsible for the lack of safety enforcement on set.
> 
> If this is the direction the industry is going, I'm glad I retired when I did.
> 
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sat Oct 23 12:38:10 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:38:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.
In-Reply-To: <43DC2A9B-FA79-4FB0-9262-2027C7F42F14@btinternet.com>
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I see that one US Cop series (The Rookie) has banned real guns from now on. Flashes will be added wit CGI. 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 23 Oct 2021, at 18:35, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Its deeply sad.
> When we have filmed real guns firing blanks the armourer was always in attendance .
> Mostly it was Baptys and they were very professional.
> On Jack Golds Arturo Ui we restaged the Valentines Day Massacre with real Thompson sub machine guns, what a racket they made, it was quite scary and smokey.
> Any guns aimed anywhere near camera needed armoured plexiglass screens and minimum crew with goggles
> Blanks can produce spurious wadding at hi velocity
> We fired Lewis Guns with wooden blanks on Monocled Mutineer, this was a truly splendid noise, but no body was down range of that.
> The Maxim and German MG had hi rates of fire but not the noise of the Lewis and its original training blanks.
> When War Walking we fired numerous weapons in the Butts under strict supervision, but I remember at Bisley when firing an Armstrong MG with 303 rounds on their range, the Safety Officer said, even with the red flag flying and an effective range of 2 m some dog walkers still walked downrange..
> We did borrow weapons from various museums in Belgium and France, they came just with our researcher
> We did one ptc with the Brigadier presenter repeated pulling the trigger mech during his piece and we were on a long lense looking down the barrel
> of the German MG.
> Later we discovered there was a live round jammed in the mech, so much for the museum and our professionalism, mistakes can be made.
> We cant really judge till all the evidence is presented.
> It seemed an unhappy set, with union problems and long hours, there is a dispute on going in Hollywood.
> Why they need to fire live guns  now  is a mystery, its so easy to CGI effective flash and smoke.
> 
>> On 23 Oct 2021, at 16:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else been following this with a very sad sense of incredulity?
>> 
>> Of course guns were pretty rare in the TV progs I worked on. And perhaps things have changed. But I do remember just how carefully they were handled. The armourer keeping them under his direct control and handing it to the actor. Depending on the reporting, Alec Baldwin was handed it by a props man or AD. Others said the armourer had gone home.
>> 
>> Other reports say virtually the entire crew had walked out earlier, due to not being paid and concerns over safety issues. And been replaced by non union labour.  
>> 
>> Alec Baldwin was not only starring, but the or a producer. So cannot just pass the buck, as must be responsible for the lack of safety enforcement on set.
>> 
>> If this is the direction the industry is going, I'm glad I retired when I did.
>> 
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct 23 13:03:17 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 19:03:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.
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Having been used to firearms via a rifle club at school and later at Bisley, I was startled when filming Enemy at the Door in Jersey for LWT, the SFX people were firing live tracer machine gun rounds over the camera crew?s heads into water, instead of laying floating sequential charges.
It?s probable that the fatality in the US was caused by the wadding contained in the blank cartridge. I have witnessed said wadding penetrating a canvas rucksack.
But nothing excuses the weapon being pointed in the wrong direction.
One afternoon on the pistol ranges at Bisley, our wives and girlfriends were present to have a go. One girl had a hangfire (where the firing pin doesn?t set off the charge, but could go off at any moment).She swung round, complaining that it didn?t work, whereupon we all hit the deck, vociferously telling her to keep it pointed down the range at all times! Accidents can happen even with the most careful precautions. Another range we shot on at Westcott in Surrey, had a fatality ? a wide shot hit the metal target pulley frame and ricocheted into the squaddie who was manipulating the target.
The range was shut down after that and never used again.
On another film, the SFX guy had the top of a finger missing ? apparently he?d managed to shoot it off!
But Bapty?s were always good and careful.
Pat

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From: Roger E Long via Tech1
Sent: 23 October 2021 18:35
To: Dave Plowman
Cc: TechOps
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.

Its deeply sad.
When we have filmed real guns firing blanks the armourer was always in attendance .
Mostly it was Baptys and they were very professional.
On Jack Golds Arturo Ui we restaged the Valentines Day Massacre with real Thompson sub machine guns, what a racket they made, it was quite scary and smokey.
Any guns aimed anywhere near camera needed armoured plexiglass screens and minimum crew with goggles
Blanks can produce spurious wadding at hi velocity
We fired Lewis Guns with wooden blanks on Monocled Mutineer, this was a truly splendid noise, but no body was down range of that.
The Maxim and German MG had hi rates of fire but not the noise of the Lewis and its original training blanks.
When War Walking we fired numerous weapons in the Butts under strict supervision, but I remember at Bisley when firing an Armstrong MG with 303 rounds on their range, the Safety Officer said, even with the red flag flying and an effective range of 2 m some dog walkers still walked downrange..
We did borrow weapons from various museums in Belgium and France, they came just with our researcher
We did one ptc with the Brigadier presenter repeated pulling the trigger mech during his piece and we were on a long lense looking down the barrel
of the German MG.
Later we discovered there was a live round jammed in the mech, so much for the museum and our professionalism, mistakes can be made.
We cant really judge till all the evidence is presented.
It seemed an unhappy set, with union problems and long hours, there is a dispute on going in Hollywood.
Why they need to fire live guns ?now ?is a mystery, its so easy to CGI effective flash and smoke.





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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 23 13:56:49 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 19:56:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Halyna Hutchins's death.
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One armourer I spoke to explained that he regarded it as a red flag if another armourer was too interested in the guns. He felt that the job was 10% knowing about guns and 90% knowing about film production and safety procedures so that he can supervise and facilitate guns being used on the set without wasting time for the production team, or presenting a danger to the people on the set.

Alan Taylor

> On 23 Oct 2021, at 19:04, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Having been used to firearms via a rifle club at school and later at Bisley, I was startled when filming Enemy at the Door in Jersey for LWT, the SFX people were firing live tracer machine gun rounds over the camera crew?s heads into water, instead of laying floating sequential charges.
> It?s probable that the fatality in the US was caused by the wadding contained in the blank cartridge. I have witnessed said wadding penetrating a canvas rucksack.
> But nothing excuses the weapon being pointed in the wrong direction.
> One afternoon on the pistol ranges at Bisley, our wives and girlfriends were present to have a go. One girl had a hangfire (where the firing pin doesn?t set off the charge, but could go off at any moment).She swung round, complaining that it didn?t work, whereupon we all hit the deck, vociferously telling her to keep it pointed down the range at all times! Accidents can happen even with the most careful precautions. Another range we shot on at Westcott in Surrey, had a fatality ? a wide shot hit the metal target pulley frame and ricocheted into the squaddie who was manipulating the target.
> The range was shut down after that and never used again.
> On another film, the SFX guy had the top of a finger missing ? apparently he?d managed to shoot it off!
> But Bapty?s were always good and careful.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Roger E Long via Tech1
> Sent: 23 October 2021 18:35
> To: Dave Plowman
> Cc: TechOps
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.
>  
> Its deeply sad.
> When we have filmed real guns firing blanks the armourer was always in attendance .
> Mostly it was Baptys and they were very professional.
> On Jack Golds Arturo Ui we restaged the Valentines Day Massacre with real Thompson sub machine guns, what a racket they made, it was quite scary and smokey.
> Any guns aimed anywhere near camera needed armoured plexiglass screens and minimum crew with goggles
> Blanks can produce spurious wadding at hi velocity
> We fired Lewis Guns with wooden blanks on Monocled Mutineer, this was a truly splendid noise, but no body was down range of that.
> The Maxim and German MG had hi rates of fire but not the noise of the Lewis and its original training blanks.
> When War Walking we fired numerous weapons in the Butts under strict supervision, but I remember at Bisley when firing an Armstrong MG with 303 rounds on their range, the Safety Officer said, even with the red flag flying and an effective range of 2 m some dog walkers still walked downrange..
> We did borrow weapons from various museums in Belgium and France, they came just with our researcher
> We did one ptc with the Brigadier presenter repeated pulling the trigger mech during his piece and we were on a long lense looking down the barrel
> of the German MG.
> Later we discovered there was a live round jammed in the mech, so much for the museum and our professionalism, mistakes can be made.
> We cant really judge till all the evidence is presented.
> It seemed an unhappy set, with union problems and long hours, there is a dispute on going in Hollywood.
> Why they need to fire live guns  now  is a mystery, its so easy to CGI effective flash and smoke.
> 
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct 23 14:42:10 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 20:42:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.
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Like Pat, I became familiar with standard British Army firearms through training in my school?s CCF ? Lee Enfield .303 rifle, Bren and Sten guns. On a field day in the mid 1950?s with us all carrying 303?s and issued blanks we merrily spread out across the woods and moorland firing at the ?enemy?. One of the lads spotted a live round in the container of blanks and received not a little gratitude for his acute observation. One never knows how these things happen ? the school armoury was pretty much Fort Knox as we had a firing range where of course live rounds were used and tight security measures were strictly enforced.

I remember the Mk 1 & Mk 11 versions of the Sten ? the sprung loaded action had no lock on the early version and a loaded weapon could be made to fire into the sky simply by sharply banging the butt against the ground. Another less than edifying memory is of the firing range at Chickerell in Dorset where weapons were fired towards the sea. 

A thick walled concrete hut behind the butts with a flagpole beside it had a seaward facing open entry where a lookout was stationed with a view across the Littlesea Channel to the Chesil Bank and open sea. Out on the Chesil Bank were two flagpoles to left and right and the presence of any vessel between them was indicated by red flags being run up. On seeing these the lookout behind said butts would emerge from his concrete lifesaver and run a further red flag up his flagpole, visible from the firing lines who would cease firing until the all clear. Snag was if any rounds were fired too high they could skim over the rim of ground behind the shelter and make life interesting for the poor old lookout. My school contingent were at the RE Bridging camp at Wyke Regis so we had sessions at Chickerell where I once got the short straw for the lookout job.

I do not mean to trivialise the recent tragedy with sick humour but as with much in life, everything seems fine until it all goes wrong.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2021 7:03 PM
To: Roger E Long ; Dave Plowman 
Cc: TechOps 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.

Having been used to firearms via a rifle club at school and later at Bisley, I was startled when filming Enemy at the Door in Jersey for LWT, the SFX people were firing live tracer machine gun rounds over the camera crew?s heads into water, instead of laying floating sequential charges.

It?s probable that the fatality in the US was caused by the wadding contained in the blank cartridge. I have witnessed said wadding penetrating a canvas rucksack.

But nothing excuses the weapon being pointed in the wrong direction.

One afternoon on the pistol ranges at Bisley, our wives and girlfriends were present to have a go. One girl had a hangfire (where the firing pin doesn?t set off the charge, but could go off at any moment).She swung round, complaining that it didn?t work, whereupon we all hit the deck, vociferously telling her to keep it pointed down the range at all times! Accidents can happen even with the most careful precautions. Another range we shot on at Westcott in Surrey, had a fatality ? a wide shot hit the metal target pulley frame and ricocheted into the squaddie who was manipulating the target.

The range was shut down after that and never used again.

On another film, the SFX guy had the top of a finger missing ? apparently he?d managed to shoot it off!

But Bapty?s were always good and careful.

Pat

 

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From: Roger E Long via Tech1
Sent: 23 October 2021 18:35
To: Dave Plowman
Cc: TechOps
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Halnya Hutchins's death.

 

Its deeply sad.

When we have filmed real guns firing blanks the armourer was always in attendance .

Mostly it was Baptys and they were very professional.

On Jack Golds Arturo Ui we restaged the Valentines Day Massacre with real Thompson sub machine guns, what a racket they made, it was quite scary and smokey.

Any guns aimed anywhere near camera needed armoured plexiglass screens and minimum crew with goggles

Blanks can produce spurious wadding at hi velocity

We fired Lewis Guns with wooden blanks on Monocled Mutineer, this was a truly splendid noise, but no body was down range of that.

The Maxim and German MG had hi rates of fire but not the noise of the Lewis and its original training blanks.

When War Walking we fired numerous weapons in the Butts under strict supervision, but I remember at Bisley when firing an Armstrong MG with 303 rounds on their range, the Safety Officer said, even with the red flag flying and an effective range of 2 m some dog walkers still walked downrange..

We did borrow weapons from various museums in Belgium and France, they came just with our researcher

We did one ptc with the Brigadier presenter repeated pulling the trigger mech during his piece and we were on a long lense looking down the barrel

of the German MG.

Later we discovered there was a live round jammed in the mech, so much for the museum and our professionalism, mistakes can be made.

We cant really judge till all the evidence is presented.

It seemed an unhappy set, with union problems and long hours, there is a dispute on going in Hollywood.

Why they need to fire live guns  now  is a mystery, its so easy to CGI effective flash and smoke.





 




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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 23 16:40:10 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Standard of living
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Dear Everyone 
This survey may prove interesting fat cats are in the stratosphere though

https://www.retirementlivingstandards.org.uk/

Albert 

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 24 05:35:41 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:35:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Standard of living
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Interesting it considers DIY house maintenance only for the poor.?

On 23/10/2021 22:40, Ravenscourt via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear Everyone
> This survey may prove interesting fat cats are in the stratosphere though
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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 24 12:55:24 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:55:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Filming
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Well before joining the BBC I worked in the film industry. On one film, we had a major fight scene. As we were outside London we could hire people as extras who had no previous training or were members of Equity, saving quite a lot of money. So we had some blokes off the street being stunt men. They spent a week in ?training? and were told not to have any alcohol during the lunch break. One chap ignored this and had just one pint. In the afternoon we had another rehearsal and this bloke missed hisQ and basically wiped the stuntman?s nose off his face I was tasked with getting him into A&E and making sure he was OK - not ! It was horrific Later there was a huge insurance claims The stuntman?s next contact was with Disney Knowing what I know now he was lucky to be alive When I joined the BBC their safety ethos was a million miles from the film industries, I have other less horrific stories of my attachments to film units trying to get a union card. Safety is still a major concern 40 years later ! Sarax 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 25 06:38:01 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:38:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] When stunts go wrong
Message-ID: <61769719.1c69fb81.b9283.b307@mx.google.com>

Sara wrote:
Well before joining the BBC I worked in the film industry. On one film, we had a major fight scene. As we were outside London we could hire people as extras who had no previous training or were members of Equity, saving quite a lot of money. So we had some blokes off the street being stunt men. They spent a week in ?training? and were told not to have any alcohol during the lunch break. One chap ignored this and had just one pint. In the afternoon we had another rehearsal and this bloke missed his Q and basically wiped the stuntman?s nose off his face I was tasked with getting him into A&E and making sure he was OK - not ! It was horrific Later there was a huge insurance claims The stuntman?s next contact was with Disney Knowing what I know now he was lucky to be alive When I joined the BBC their safety ethos was a million miles from the film industries, I have other less horrific stories of my attachments to film units trying to get a union card. Safety is still a major concern 40 years later ! Sarax 

While I did not work on the following productions, I knew crew members involved:
A stunt driver was tasked with driving close to camera. He said that it was a close as possible to remain safe. The Director?s chauffeur volunteered to do it, if the stunt driver wouldn?t.
The Director unwisely gave him the go-ahead, and he lost control on a gravel surface, skidded and ploughing into the camera and pinning the focus puller against a wall. Later, I saw that the guy?s chest was a mass of stitching scars, some 14 operations, I believe.
On another film, there was a shot required of the stunt guy, doubling for the hero, to climb along the side of a train carriage at speed. In order to beat the failing light, the train was backed up further than the stunt guy had recced it, in order to try for two takes in one go. No-one told the stunt man. A concrete trackside post wiped him off, with pretty severe injuries.
I knew the guy well having worked with him previously.

Perhaps someone will be able to name the films? (I?ll tell you if you are right).

Pat


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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 06:44:20 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:44:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] When stunts go wrong
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The train one is Octopussy.  Martin Grace was the stunt arranger.



From: patheigham via Tech1 
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; sara newman 
Subject: [Tech1] When stunts go wrong

Sara wrote:

Well before joining the BBC I worked in the film industry. On one film, we had a major fight scene. As we were outside London we could hire people as extras who had no previous training or were members of Equity, saving quite a lot of money. So we had some blokes off the street being stunt men. They spent a week in ?training? and were told not to have any alcohol during the lunch break. One chap ignored this and had just one pint. In the afternoon we had another rehearsal and this bloke missed his Q and basically wiped the stuntman?s nose off his face I was tasked with getting him into A&E and making sure he was OK - not ! It was horrific Later there was a huge insurance claims The stuntman?s next contact was with Disney Knowing what I know now he was lucky to be alive When I joined the BBC their safety ethos was a million miles from the film industries, I have other less horrific stories of my attachments to film units trying to get a union card. Safety is still a major concern 40 years later ! Sarax 

 

While I did not work on the following productions, I knew crew members involved:

A stunt driver was tasked with driving close to camera. He said that it was a close as possible to remain safe. The Director?s chauffeur volunteered to do it, if the stunt driver wouldn?t.

The Director unwisely gave him the go-ahead, and he lost control on a gravel surface, skidded and ploughing into the camera and pinning the focus puller against a wall. Later, I saw that the guy?s chest was a mass of stitching scars, some 14 operations, I believe.

On another film, there was a shot required of the stunt guy, doubling for the hero, to climb along the side of a train carriage at speed. In order to beat the failing light, the train was backed up further than the stunt guy had recced it, in order to try for two takes in one go. No-one told the stunt man. A concrete trackside post wiped him off, with pretty severe injuries.

I knew the guy well having worked with him previously.

 

Perhaps someone will be able to name the films? (I?ll tell you if you are right).

 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 05:24:26 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:24:26 +0100
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 From Mike du Boulay.....


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To: 	Bernie Newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>



Hi Bernie;

 ? Reading about "Dr Who Pilots and Titles," Dave Plowman was asking if 
anyone had a crew list for Crew 13.

Here goes:-? As of March 11th, 1972 staff list for Crew 13 was:-

Camera P.H. Ware

Camera Carr B.J.C.

Camera Payne C.S.

Camera Fox P.G.

Camera Greening R.I.

Camera assist? Gould R.J.N.

Sound Assist I? Hays J.F.

Sound Assist II? Neil P.

Sound Assist III? Brown M.E.

Back in Phil Ward's day list shows up to Crew 17.

cheers,

Mike

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From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:31:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Tech Ops course 16
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 From Mike du Boulay,? the course schedule for TO16. Fun to read - a 
trip back nearly 60 years. Although the current gear is very different, 
many aspects are just the same.

I don't have mine for TO25, but I think it might be just like this one. 
Then I spent years dragging cables.

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Wow!  That is the course that I was on!
Many thanks to Mike du Bouley. It would make a super addition to My Time at
the BBC. I am so sorry I cleared my stuff out so many years ago, including
our programme film insert (actually, pre-titles!)

Best regards, Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

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> From Mike du Boulay,  the course schedule for TO16. Fun to read - a trip
> back nearly 60 years. Although the current gear is very different, many
> aspects are just the same.
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> I don't have mine for TO25, but I think it might be just like this one.
> Then I spent years dragging cables.
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> B
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MCR21 Newsletter October 2021 MCR21 Project Newsletter


  MCR21 PROJECT


  NEWSLETTER

*OCTOBER 2021*

View in your browser 
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MCR21? LOOKING? GREAT


THE GOODWOOD REVIVAL
Here We Come....

The sun shone, thousands of people arrived in their 1940s/50s/60s finery 
and MCR21 was there for all to see. It couldn't have been a better day 
for the 1960's BBC mobile control room to have for its first public 
appearance.
Over the three day event, thousands of visitors took photos of MCR21, 
asked questions about it's history and many were amazed watching, and 
listening to, the seven monitor display in the production area inside MCR21.

The photos tell the story.......

And The Video Says It All.......

Goodwood Revival 
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Watch The Monitor Display 
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THE DISPLAY INSIDE MCR21

>From the very start of the MCR21 Project, it had been our intention to 
bring the 1960's mobile control room 'alive'. It would be too much to 
expect all the 1960's electronics to work continually day after day, so 
a solution was needed that kept any alterations to the original set up, 
to a minimum.

For the display inside the production area, we wanted to create the 
feeling that you were taken back to the 1960s, watching a transmission 
going out live. You would be able to watch the feeds from the four 
cameras and caption camera on the monitors, hear the live sound mixed 
with the commentary and director's instructions to the camera operators.

In 2019, we came to the Goodwood Revival to record the Glover Trophy 
Race taking feeds from four of the cameras, which just about covered the 
course.
(Cloudbass had twelve cameras round the racetrack).
Again, with the help of students from Solent University, we recorded the 
four cameras covering a concert by the Ben Holder Quartet.

Much work was done producing a transmission video, cutting between the 
four cameras. We then had five separate videos which were converted from 
the colour originals to black and white. We added a couple more videos, 
showing captions to feed the other two monitors in the stack.

The design of the supports for the original tube monitors allowed for 
them to be slid back. This meant we could slide modern LCD monitors in 
front with suitable masking to replicate the original 405 line shape.

We now had? seven videos of the same length but had to find a way of 
feeding them to the monitors and keeping them in sync.

Above - Recording the Glover Trophy in 2019
 ??????????????????????????????????????? Below? - Recording the Ben 
Holder Concert in 2019

Fortunately Paul Sweatland came to the rescue.
Paul Explains


I had the pleasure of being asked to design a novel solution for MCR21?s 
monitor stack.? The brief was to create a display that could be switched 
on in the morning by non-technical staff, left running unattended all 
day, and cope with being hard-powered off at the end of the day - a 
museum display, where the public could view over the shoulder of a 
virtual director.

I was provided with a number of carefully sync'd videos, one for each of 
the monitors in the stack.? My job was to ensure all videos are started 
at exactly the same time across all outputs, and restarted just before 
the video's end.? As the duration is less than eight minutes long before 
restart, I was not concerned about drift over time.

Keeping costs as low as possible suggested the use of cheap single board 
computers, and the initial development made use of a number of Orange Pi 
boards from my spares box, each of which ran a video in a loop. The 
brief then extended from five monitors (four cameras and TX) to include 
the Engineering and Production Preview monitors, and this exceeded the 
number of Orange Pi units I had to hand.? The solution was re-engineered 
using Raspberry Pi 4s, as each has dual HDMI outputs, meaning only four 
boards were required to feed up to eight monitors.

A script handles the timing, periodically firing a restart pulse onto a 
GPIO line tied between all the Pi units to tell them to restart their 
videos from the beginning.? A restart message is also available via 
ethernet and WiFi, should there ever be a requirement to sync monitors a 
distance away from the monitor stack.

The script also controls a bank of eight relays connected to the GPIOs 
of one of the Pi units. The relays feed the monitor indicator unit lamps 
under the monitors. The script is fed a text file containing a list of 
video frame numbers and the relays that should be open/closed from that 
frame forward. In this way we can coincide the illumination of the lamps 
with changes in shot, making it appear that the video switcher is 
actually performing video source selection, when, in fact, we?re 
synchronising the relay action to the known timing of the video.

The Raspberry Pi units boot straight video display mode from a microSD 
card.? They boot into read-only mode such that they never need to write 
to their local storage, and this means it is perfectly acceptable to 
pull the power without shutting them down properly. Whilst stationary on 
Brian?s drive, each Pi has the facility to ?phone home? using Brian?s 
home WiFi, meaning that I can update/reconfigure/troubleshoot the entire 
system from my home in the Chilterns.

All that remains to do now, once we know the final shape of the space 
we?re allocated in MCR21, is to arrange the layout of the boards 
appropriately, harden everything for touring, and properly lace the 
cabling.

BBC OUTSIDE BROADCASTS? - NORTHERN IRELAND 1957 -2021

Thank you to Gordon Bannister, Dixie Deane and Keith Nicholas
for the photos and information

MCR18 accompanied by a camera tender van, a microwave Eagle aerial 
tower, links van and trailer generator. MCR18 carried two Marconi MkIII 
cameras. The tender van still exists. After life on the road for the 
BBC, it became a horse-box.

MCR14 had 4 cameras ? this one on Paddock Dolly had a Varitol 3 zoom 
lens with cameraman Sam Wilson and sound assistant Dixie Deane holding 
the loudhailer. The photo was taken 20 April 1969 during a recording of 
/The Pattersons/ folk group near Enniskillen - the last time MCR14 was 
used on an outside broadcast.

MCR24 came to Belfast from Kendal Avenue in the late 1969 when London 
OBs started receiving colour MCRs. It is a great photo showing not only 
MCR24, but also a very happy looking crew.

CMCR 14
BBC Northern Ireland had to wait until 1973 to receive a colour unit. 
The OB unit was built by Link and equipped with three EMI 2001 cameras, 
with capability of taking four.
Gordon Bannister recalls working on the unit.
CMCR14 was the first colour OB truck in Northern Ireland, which I worked 
on for its last ten years. I think it was built by Link as a demo truck 
in about 1972-1973 and it was taken on by us in 1973.

I have attached a photo of the vision desk taken in 1984, with the 
colour balance knobs and EMI 2001 operator control panels. The truck had 
four EMI 2001s and a B&W caption camera in the cab, the two knobs to the 
right of the EMI control panels. It had a Prowest Vision Mixer with 
about 8-10 channels, which included a small electronic vision matrix, 
Prowest coders and monitors. It originally used two BBC Sync Pulse 
Generators, which were eventually replaced by Leitch ones - a lot more 
reliable. I think the sound desk was Neve. In later years we 
supplemented the EMI?s with a couple of Ikegami HL79D?s. We used the 
vehicle with a drive-in studio which had a second vision mixer panel 
connected to the truck, with 2 G101 camera cables and the camera control 
panels, which were also extended from the truck. CMCR14 was retired by 
us in 1988.

THE INSIDE OF CMCR 14
 ????? Above - The vision control? Below? - The Neve sound desk

FORMER CMCR 14
Now a Film Unit Laundry/Wardrobe Van
When we retired CMCR14, an English region, possibly Newcastle, ended up 
doing something with the vehicle. Several years later, it reappeared in 
our staff car park in a different paint colour and registration. It was 
being used by one of our film location companies as a laundry truck, 
full of washing machines.

CMCR14 AT THE KIRKISTOWN RACEWAY
The unit covered /Swap Shop/ in the morning before televising
motor racing in the afternoon on 8th October 1974


Dixie Deane remembers CMCR14 being used to televise a climbing programme 
at Pidgeon Rock on 24th August 1974
..... I remember doing a mountain climbing OB, where we carried EMI 2001 
cameras upa mountainside (it took eight men and over one hour for each 
camera) with thecables laid across the valley to the OB fleet beside the 
road on the farside.

The yellow Landrover in the photo is a BBC Landrover. On the 9th 
February 1971,a BBC Landrover was approaching the Brougher mountain 
transmitter to carry out repairs.? On the lonely road up to the 
transmitter, it was blown up by the IRA and three workers and two BBC 
engineers were killed.? All the BBC Landrovers in Northern Ireland were 
immediately painted entirely bright yellow.

Below -John Lunn, sound assistant, working the base station for 6 BBC 
TM3/3 radio microphones and also 6 Pye walkie talkies for climber?s deaf 
aids.? All could talk and listen to each other and with commentators in 
scanner cab.

John Lunn, sound assistant, working the base station for 6 BBC TM3/3 
radio microphones and also 6 Pye walkie talkies for climber?s deaf 
aids.? All could talk and listen to each other and with commentators in 
scanner cab.

Gordon Bannster continues
Our BBC Type 6 unit, CMCR47, had arrived in May 1987, but with no 
cameras and we used the trucks together with the EM 2001s in CMCR14 
connected up to 47?s Vision Mixer.
In1988 we finally got our Thomson 1531s for our Type 6 CMCR47.

The photo above was taken in Bangor, Co Down, at a cycling road race, 
which had a full heli-teli with a Philips LDK14 in the ball and linking 
to the motorbike camera. This was in the post grey and green colours. 
Our CMVT is behind CMCR 47. The generator also belonged to BBCNI as we 
didn?t have access to hired-in Lee Generators, as mainland OB?s may have 
had.
BELOW INTERIOR OF THE TYPE 6

ABOVE? TYPE 8 CMCR 66
In BBC Northern Ireland Livery

Gordon Bannister continues;
Our Type 8 unit, NIHD1, was an ex-Manchester truck. The photo was taken 
at Clones in July 2011 at the Ulster Football Finals.
We have helped out BBC Scotland. We did the Edinburgh Tattoo about three 
times with the Type 8, up to 2010 and have since done various OBs in 
Scotland from football to Hogmanay. Our Type 8 was retired in 2011 after 
a good few years including an upgrade to SDI and HD, albeit it only ever 
did one OB in HD.

We have had a few other trucks over the years. LO3 a type 2, acted as a 
temporary gallery etc one summer, when our very old TV studio shell was 
refurbished in about 1982. LO22 was our first small/medium-sized truck 
which we had for a few years. Later we had CMCR55, a Type 7 to replace 
it. We shared it with BBC Scotland for a few years.

BBC NORTHERN IRELAND HD1
Gordon Bannister:
This photo was taken at Radio 1?s Big Weekend in May 2013 in 
Derry/Londonderry. This truck is actually T5 ex-Telegenics, which was a 
rugby scanner that travelled a fair bit, including Moscow I believe, and 
did some of the early 3D tests for Sky. They needed the space for 
another 3D truck. It has been partially rebuilt inside by us and is used 
for a drive-in studio, sport and other OBs. On 23^rd ?July 2012, this 
unit was used for the live Olympic Eastenders special for SIS, would you 
believe, as trucks were in short supply.

ABOVE?? BBC NORTHERN IRELAND HD2

NIHD2 is a combined satellite and 5-camera truck. It was built new with 
final construction done locally in 2015. It is still very much in use. I 
know recently it has been used as a studio/uplink truck for Friday Night 
live rugby as BBCNI Sport won the contract. On one particular occasion 
recently, it was used with a hired large truck as our NIHD1 was tied up 
with other programmes. ?Recently the latest rounds of Mastermind have 
been recorded in our drive-in studio.

Plans are in place to replace NIHD1 in the next year or two, as 
including its years with Telegenics, it is quite old, dating back to the 
1990s. All the remaining original analogue CRT?s were replaced over the 
summer with flat HD screens and multiviewers and a new HD router to 
drive them, with all SD kit removed. The replacement truck is likely to 
be IP based, and certainly at one stage was going to be 4k, although as 
time goes on, that will be more likely anyway.
Gordon Bannister

TELEVISING THE 1969 ELECTION RESULTS
IN NORTHERN IRELAND

Many BBC TV outside broadcast vehicles came over to Northern Ireland to 
cover the General Elections in February 1969.
Watch the BBC film which shows behind the scene footage

ELECTION VIDEO 
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Brian Gavitt, chairman of the British Vintage Wireless Society, handing 
Brian Summers their Major Achievement Award
for his work on preserving and restoring broadcasting technology.

The weekend after the Goodwood Revival, Brian Summers, Jeremy Owen, 
Andrew Peakin, Chris Wood and Nick Gilbey travelled up to Warwickshire 
to the the Retro-Tech event organised by the British Vintage Wireless 
Society, where Brian received his award. The volunteers put on a display 
about the Project - this time without MCR21.

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I would just like to add that we were saddened to hear of the tragic 
death of Sir David Amess. Just a month ago, Sir David came to talk to us 
at the Goodwood Revival. He was full of praise and enthusiasm for the 
MCR21 Project and offered to help us in anyway he could. I have read 
about his achievements, not for himself, but for many individuals and 
worthy organisations. He will of course be greatly missed by his family, 
but also by the great number of people that he has helped as a Member of 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Oct 27 08:42:58 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:42:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter October 2021
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MCR21 Newsletter October 2021What an absolutely fantastic achievement. Video does indeed ?say it all?. Congratulations to everyone concerned ? now how about reconstructing TC in its heyday!

The project richly deserved the Goodwood perfect day and so nice to see people of younger generations engage with and appreciate how things were done. What a distinguished looking interviewee as well!

Hats of to all,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
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      Date:  Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:10:30 +0000 
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MCR21 Project Newsletter 
                                  
                             
                       
                 
           
                                  MCR21 PROJECT
                                NEWSLETTER
                                OCTOBER 2021
                                 
                             
                                View in your browser
                                  
                             
                                  
                             

                                 
                             
                                MCR21  LOOKING  GREAT 
                             

                                 
                             
                                  
                                  
                             
                                THE GOODWOOD REVIVAL
                                Here We Come.... 
                             
                                 
                             
                                  
                             
                                The sun shone, thousands of people arrived in their 1940s/50s/60s finery and MCR21 was there for all to see. It couldn't have been a better day for the 1960's BBC mobile control room to have for its first public appearance.
                                Over the three day event, thousands of visitors took photos of MCR21, asked questions about it's history and many were amazed watching, and listening to, the seven monitor display in the production area inside MCR21.

                                The photos tell the story....... 
                             
                                  
                             
                                  
                                  
                             
                                  
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
                                And The Video Says It All.......  
                             
                                Goodwood Revival
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
                                Watch The Monitor Display
                                  
                             
                                THE DISPLAY INSIDE MCR21 
                             
                                From the very start of the MCR21 Project, it had been our intention to bring the 1960's mobile control room 'alive'. It would be too much to expect all the 1960's electronics to work continually day after day, so a solution was needed that kept any alterations to the original set up, to a minimum.

                                For the display inside the production area, we wanted to create the feeling that you were taken back to the 1960s, watching a transmission going out live. You would be able to watch the feeds from the four cameras and caption camera on the monitors, hear the live sound mixed with the commentary and director's instructions to the camera operators.

                                In 2019, we came to the Goodwood Revival to record the Glover Trophy Race taking feeds from four of the cameras, which just about covered the course.
                                (Cloudbass had twelve cameras round the racetrack).
                                Again, with the help of students from Solent University, we recorded the four cameras covering a concert by the Ben Holder Quartet.

                                Much work was done producing a transmission video, cutting between the four cameras. We then had five separate videos which were converted from the colour originals to black and white. We added a couple more videos, showing captions to feed the other two monitors in the stack.

                                The design of the supports for the original tube monitors allowed for them to be slid back. This meant we could slide modern LCD monitors in front with suitable masking to replicate the original 405 line shape.

                                We now had  seven videos of the same length but had to find a way of feeding them to the monitors and keeping them in sync.  
                             
                                  
                                  
                             
                                Above - Recording the Glover Trophy in 2019
                                                                        Below  - Recording the Ben Holder Concert in 2019  
                             
                                  
                                  
                             
                                Fortunately Paul Sweatland came to the rescue.
                                Paul Explains
                                   
                             
                                  
                             

                                I had the pleasure of being asked to design a novel solution for MCR21?s monitor stack.  The brief was to create a display that could be switched on in the morning by non-technical staff, left running unattended all day, and cope with being hard-powered off at the end of the day - a museum display, where the public could view over the shoulder of a virtual director.

                                I was provided with a number of carefully sync'd videos, one for each of the monitors in the stack.  My job was to ensure all videos are started at exactly the same time across all outputs, and restarted just before the video's end.  As the duration is less than eight minutes long before restart, I was not concerned about drift over time.

                                Keeping costs as low as possible suggested the use of cheap single board computers, and the initial development made use of a number of Orange Pi boards from my spares box, each of which ran a video in a loop.  The brief then extended from five monitors (four cameras and TX) to include the Engineering and Production Preview monitors, and this exceeded the number of Orange Pi units I had to hand.  The solution was re-engineered using Raspberry Pi 4s, as each has dual HDMI outputs, meaning only four boards were required to feed up to eight monitors.

                                A script handles the timing, periodically firing a restart pulse onto a GPIO line tied between all the Pi units to tell them to restart their videos from the beginning.  A restart message is also available via ethernet and WiFi, should there ever be a requirement to sync monitors a distance away from the monitor stack.  

                                The script also controls a bank of eight relays connected to the GPIOs of one of the Pi units. The relays feed the monitor indicator unit lamps under the monitors.  The script is fed a text file containing a list of video frame numbers and the relays that should be open/closed from that frame forward.  In this way we can coincide the illumination of the lamps with changes in shot, making it appear that the video switcher is actually performing video source selection, when, in fact, we?re synchronising the relay action to the known timing of the video.

                                The Raspberry Pi units boot straight video display mode from a microSD card.  They boot into read-only mode such that they never need to write to their local storage, and this means it is perfectly acceptable to pull the power without shutting them down properly.  Whilst stationary on Brian?s drive, each Pi has the facility to ?phone home? using Brian?s home WiFi, meaning that I can update/reconfigure/troubleshoot the entire system from my home in the Chilterns.

                                All that remains to do now, once we know the final shape of the space we?re allocated in MCR21, is to arrange the layout of the boards appropriately, harden everything for touring, and properly lace the cabling.  
                             
                                BBC OUTSIDE BROADCASTS  - NORTHERN IRELAND 1957 -2021 
                             
                                Thank you to Gordon Bannister, Dixie Deane and Keith Nicholas 
                                for the photos and information 
                             
                                  
                             
                                MCR18 accompanied by a camera tender van, a microwave Eagle aerial tower, links van and trailer generator. MCR18 carried two Marconi MkIII cameras. The tender van still exists. After life on the road for the BBC, it became a horse-box.  
                             
                                  
                             
                                MCR14 had 4 cameras ? this one on Paddock Dolly had a Varitol 3 zoom lens with cameraman Sam Wilson and sound assistant Dixie Deane holding the loudhailer.  The photo was taken 20 April 1969 during a recording of The Pattersons folk group near Enniskillen - the last time MCR14 was used on an outside broadcast. 
                             
                                  
                             
                                MCR24 came to Belfast from Kendal Avenue in the late 1969 when London OBs started receiving colour MCRs. It is a great photo showing not only MCR24, but also a very happy looking crew.
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
                                CMCR 14
                                BBC Northern Ireland had to wait until 1973 to receive a colour unit. The OB unit was built by Link and equipped with three EMI 2001 cameras, with capability of taking four.
                                Gordon Bannister recalls working on the unit.  

                                CMCR14 was the first colour OB truck in Northern Ireland, which I worked on for its last ten years. I think it was built by Link as a demo truck in about 1972-1973 and it was taken on by us in 1973.
                                 
                                I have attached a photo of the vision desk taken in 1984, with the colour balance knobs and EMI 2001 operator control panels. The truck had four EMI 2001s and a B&W caption camera in the cab, the two knobs to the right of the EMI control panels. It had a Prowest Vision Mixer with about 8-10 channels, which included a small electronic vision matrix, Prowest coders and monitors. It originally used two BBC Sync Pulse Generators, which were eventually replaced by Leitch ones - a lot more reliable. I think the sound desk was Neve. In later years we supplemented the EMI?s with a couple of Ikegami HL79D?s. We used the vehicle with a drive-in studio which had a second vision mixer panel connected to the truck, with 2 G101 camera cables and the camera control panels, which were also extended from the truck. CMCR14 was retired by us in 1988.
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
                                THE INSIDE OF CMCR 14   
                                      Above - The vision control  Below  - The Neve sound desk  
                             
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
                                FORMER CMCR 14
                                Now a Film Unit Laundry/Wardrobe Van
                                When we retired CMCR14, an English region, possibly Newcastle, ended up doing something with the vehicle. Several years later, it reappeared in our staff car park in a different paint colour and registration. It was being used by one of our film location companies as a laundry truck, full of washing machines. 
                             
                                  
                                  
                             
                                CMCR14 AT THE KIRKISTOWN RACEWAY
                                The unit covered Swap Shop in the morning before televising
                                motor racing in the afternoon on 8th October 1974 
                             

                                 
                             
                                Dixie Deane remembers CMCR14 being used to televise a climbing programme at Pidgeon Rock on 24th August 1974
                                ..... I remember doing a mountain climbing OB, where we carried EMI 2001 cameras up a mountainside (it took eight men and over one hour for each camera) with the cables laid across the valley to the OB fleet beside the road on the far side.

                                The yellow Landrover in the photo is a BBC Landrover. On the 9th February 1971, a BBC Landrover was approaching the Brougher mountain transmitter to carry out repairs.  On the lonely road up to the transmitter, it was blown up by the IRA and three workers and two BBC engineers were killed.  All the BBC Landrovers in Northern Ireland were immediately painted entirely bright yellow.  
                             
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
                                Below -John Lunn, sound assistant, working the base station for 6 BBC TM3/3 radio microphones and also 6 Pye walkie talkies for climber?s deaf aids.  All could talk and listen to each other and with commentators in scanner cab.  
                             
                                  
                             
                                John Lunn, sound assistant, working the base station for 6 BBC TM3/3 radio microphones and also 6 Pye walkie talkies for climber?s deaf aids.  All could talk and listen to each other and with commentators in scanner cab.  
                             
                                  
                             
                                Gordon Bannster continues
                                Our BBC Type 6 unit, CMCR47, had arrived in May 1987, but with no cameras and we used the trucks together with the EM 2001s in CMCR14 connected up to 47?s Vision Mixer.
                                In 1988  we finally got our Thomson 1531s for our Type 6 CMCR47.

                                The photo above was taken in Bangor, Co Down, at a cycling road race, which had a full heli-teli with a Philips LDK14 in the ball and linking to the motorbike camera. This was in the post grey and green colours. Our CMVT is behind CMCR 47. The generator also belonged to BBCNI as we didn?t have access to hired-in Lee Generators, as mainland OB?s may have had. 
                                BELOW  INTERIOR OF THE TYPE 6  
                             
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
                                ABOVE  TYPE 8 CMCR 66 
                                In BBC Northern Ireland Livery 
                             
                                Gordon Bannister continues;
                                Our Type 8 unit, NIHD1, was an ex-Manchester truck. The photo was taken at Clones in July 2011 at the Ulster Football Finals.
                                We have helped out BBC Scotland. We did the Edinburgh Tattoo about three times with the Type 8, up to 2010 and have since done various OBs in Scotland from football to Hogmanay. Our Type 8 was retired in 2011 after a good few years including an upgrade to SDI and HD, albeit it only ever did one OB in HD.

                                We have had a few other trucks over the years. LO3 a type 2, acted as a temporary gallery etc one summer, when our very old TV studio shell was refurbished in about 1982. LO22 was our first small/medium-sized truck which we had for a few years. Later we had CMCR55, a Type 7 to replace it. We shared it with BBC Scotland for a few years.  
                             
                                  
                             
                                BBC NORTHERN IRELAND HD1
                                Gordon Bannister:
                                This photo was taken at Radio 1?s Big Weekend in May 2013 in Derry/Londonderry. This truck is actually T5 ex-Telegenics, which was a rugby scanner that travelled a fair bit, including Moscow I believe, and did some of the early 3D tests for Sky. They needed the space for another 3D truck. It has been partially rebuilt inside by us and is used for a drive-in studio, sport and other OBs. On 23rd July 2012, this unit was used for the live Olympic Eastenders special for SIS, would you believe, as trucks were in short supply.  
                             
                                  
                             
                                ABOVE   BBC NORTHERN IRELAND HD2 
                             
                                NIHD2 is a combined satellite and 5-camera truck. It was built new with final construction done locally in 2015. It is still very much in use. I know recently it has been used as a studio/uplink truck for Friday Night live rugby as BBCNI Sport won the contract. On one particular occasion recently, it was used with a hired large truck as our NIHD1 was tied up with other programmes.  Recently the latest rounds of Mastermind have been recorded in our drive-in studio.

                                Plans are in place to replace NIHD1 in the next year or two, as including its years with Telegenics, it is quite old, dating back to the 1990s. All the remaining original analogue CRT?s were replaced over the summer with flat HD screens and multiviewers and a new HD router to drive them, with all SD kit removed. The replacement truck is likely to be IP based, and certainly at one stage was going to be 4k, although as time goes on, that will be more likely anyway.
                                Gordon Bannister

                                   
                             
                                TELEVISING THE 1969 ELECTION RESULTS
                                IN NORTHERN IRELAND 
                             
                                Many BBC TV outside broadcast vehicles came over to Northern Ireland to cover the General Elections in February 1969.
                                Watch the BBC film which shows behind the scene footage 
                             
                                ELECTION VIDEO
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
                                Brian Gavitt, chairman of the British Vintage Wireless Society, handing Brian Summers their Major Achievement Award
                                for his work on preserving and restoring broadcasting technology. 
                             
                                The weekend after the Goodwood Revival, Brian Summers, Jeremy Owen, Andrew Peakin, Chris Wood and Nick Gilbey travelled up to Warwickshire to the the Retro-Tech event organised by the British Vintage Wireless Society, where Brian received his award. The volunteers put on a display about the Project - this time without MCR21. 
                             
                                  
                                  
                             
                                  
                             
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On 27/10/2021 14:42, David Newbitt wrote:
> how how about reconstructing TC in its heyday



A few years ago Roger Bunce was talking about that - and then we worked 
out just how big the model would have to be.? Pres A, at 1/12 scale, 
would have to be nearly a metre by half metre. You could make it in a 
much smaller scale but soon enough it would be like those TC models with 
no studio detail at all just to fit a room.

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I took this photo of the BBC TV units at Silverstone on 13August 1988 when IwasUnbit Managerwith AngliaTV OBunits coveringf thetruck GP. Ithink it was a Birmingham outfit - as my old friend Keith Salmon was there from Birmingham
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> On 27 Oct 2021, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject:	MCR21 Newsletter October 2021
> Date:	Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:10:30 +0000
> From:	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk> <mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk>
> Reply-To:	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk> <mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk>
> To:	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com <mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
> 
> 
>   MCR21 PROJECT
> NEWSLETTER
> OCTOBER 2021
>  
> View in your browser
>  <https://mailchi.mp/b4e1d5f7c152/mcr21-newsletter-october-2021?e=27b31bf3ae>
> 
> 
> MCR21  LOOKING  GREAT
> 
> 
> 
> THE GOODWOOD REVIVAL
> Here We Come....
>  
> 
> The sun shone, thousands of people arrived in their 1940s/50s/60s finery and MCR21 was there for all to see. It couldn't have been a better day for the 1960's BBC mobile control room to have for its first public appearance.
> Over the three day event, thousands of visitors took photos of MCR21, asked questions about it's history and many were amazed watching, and listening to, the seven monitor display in the production area inside MCR21.
> 
> The photos tell the story.......
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And The Video Says It All....... 
> Goodwood Revival
>  <https://mcr21.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=24da6d5790bf363b61ed2e195&id=2317212a71&e=27b31bf3ae>
> 
> Watch The Monitor Display
>  <https://mcr21.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=24da6d5790bf363b61ed2e195&id=582f144a01&e=27b31bf3ae>
> THE DISPLAY INSIDE MCR21
> From the very start of the MCR21 Project, it had been our intention to bring the 1960's mobile control room 'alive'. It would be too much to expect all the 1960's electronics to work continually day after day, so a solution was needed that kept any alterations to the original set up, to a minimum.
> 
> For the display inside the production area, we wanted to create the feeling that you were taken back to the 1960s, watching a transmission going out live. You would be able to watch the feeds from the four cameras and caption camera on the monitors, hear the live sound mixed with the commentary and director's instructions to the camera operators.
> 
> In 2019, we came to the Goodwood Revival to record the Glover Trophy Race taking feeds from four of the cameras, which just about covered the course.
> (Cloudbass had twelve cameras round the racetrack).
> Again, with the help of students from Solent University, we recorded the four cameras covering a concert by the Ben Holder Quartet.
> 
> Much work was done producing a transmission video, cutting between the four cameras. We then had five separate videos which were converted from the colour originals to black and white. We added a couple more videos, showing captions to feed the other two monitors in the stack.
> 
> The design of the supports for the original tube monitors allowed for them to be slid back. This meant we could slide modern LCD monitors in front with suitable masking to replicate the original 405 line shape.
> 
> We now had  seven videos of the same length but had to find a way of feeding them to the monitors and keeping them in sync.
> 
> 
> Above - Recording the Glover Trophy in 2019
>                                         Below  - Recording the Ben Holder Concert in 2019
> 
> 
> Fortunately Paul Sweatland came to the rescue.
> Paul Explains
>   
> 
> 
> I had the pleasure of being asked to design a novel solution for MCR21?s monitor stack.  The brief was to create a display that could be switched on in the morning by non-technical staff, left running unattended all day, and cope with being hard-powered off at the end of the day - a museum display, where the public could view over the shoulder of a virtual director.
> 
> I was provided with a number of carefully sync'd videos, one for each of the monitors in the stack.  My job was to ensure all videos are started at exactly the same time across all outputs, and restarted just before the video's end.  As the duration is less than eight minutes long before restart, I was not concerned about drift over time.
> 
> Keeping costs as low as possible suggested the use of cheap single board computers, and the initial development made use of a number of Orange Pi boards from my spares box, each of which ran a video in a loop.  The brief then extended from five monitors (four cameras and TX) to include the Engineering and Production Preview monitors, and this exceeded the number of Orange Pi units I had to hand.  The solution was re-engineered using Raspberry Pi 4s, as each has dual HDMI outputs, meaning only four boards were required to feed up to eight monitors.
> 
> A script handles the timing, periodically firing a restart pulse onto a GPIO line tied between all the Pi units to tell them to restart their videos from the beginning.  A restart message is also available via ethernet and WiFi, should there ever be a requirement to sync monitors a distance away from the monitor stack.  
> 
> The script also controls a bank of eight relays connected to the GPIOs of one of the Pi units. The relays feed the monitor indicator unit lamps under the monitors.  The script is fed a text file containing a list of video frame numbers and the relays that should be open/closed from that frame forward.  In this way we can coincide the illumination of the lamps with changes in shot, making it appear that the video switcher is actually performing video source selection, when, in fact, we?re synchronising the relay action to the known timing of the video.
> 
> The Raspberry Pi units boot straight video display mode from a microSD card.  They boot into read-only mode such that they never need to write to their local storage, and this means it is perfectly acceptable to pull the power without shutting them down properly.  Whilst stationary on Brian?s drive, each Pi has the facility to ?phone home? using Brian?s home WiFi, meaning that I can update/reconfigure/troubleshoot the entire system from my home in the Chilterns.
> 
> All that remains to do now, once we know the final shape of the space we?re allocated in MCR21, is to arrange the layout of the boards appropriately, harden everything for touring, and properly lace the cabling.
> BBC OUTSIDE BROADCASTS  - NORTHERN IRELAND 1957 -2021
> Thank you to Gordon Bannister, Dixie Deane and Keith Nicholas 
> for the photos and information
> 
> MCR18 accompanied by a camera tender van, a microwave Eagle aerial tower, links van and trailer generator. MCR18 carried two Marconi MkIII cameras. The tender van still exists. After life on the road for the BBC, it became a horse-box.
> 
> MCR14 had 4 cameras ? this one on Paddock Dolly had a Varitol 3 zoom lens with cameraman Sam Wilson and sound assistant Dixie Deane holding the loudhailer.  The photo was taken 20 April 1969 during a recording of The Pattersons folk group near Enniskillen - the last time MCR14 was used on an outside broadcast.
> 
> MCR24 came to Belfast from Kendal Avenue in the late 1969 when London OBs started receiving colour MCRs. It is a great photo showing not only MCR24, but also a very happy looking crew.
>  
> 
> CMCR 14
> BBC Northern Ireland had to wait until 1973 to receive a colour unit. The OB unit was built by Link and equipped with three EMI 2001 cameras, with capability of taking four.
> Gordon Bannister recalls working on the unit.  
>  
> CMCR14 was the first colour OB truck in Northern Ireland, which I worked on for its last ten years. I think it was built by Link as a demo truck in about 1972-1973 and it was taken on by us in 1973.
>  
> I have attached a photo of the vision desk taken in 1984, with the colour balance knobs and EMI 2001 operator control panels. The truck had four EMI 2001s and a B&W caption camera in the cab, the two knobs to the right of the EMI control panels. It had a Prowest Vision Mixer with about 8-10 channels, which included a small electronic vision matrix, Prowest coders and monitors. It originally used two BBC Sync Pulse Generators, which were eventually replaced by Leitch ones - a lot more reliable. I think the sound desk was Neve. In later years we supplemented the EMI?s with a couple of Ikegami HL79D?s. We used the vehicle with a drive-in studio which had a second vision mixer panel connected to the truck, with 2 G101 camera cables and the camera control panels, which were also extended from the truck. CMCR14 was retired by us in 1988.
>  
> 
> THE INSIDE OF CMCR 14   
>       Above - The vision control  Below  - The Neve sound desk
> 
> 
> FORMER CMCR 14
> Now a Film Unit Laundry/Wardrobe Van
> When we retired CMCR14, an English region, possibly Newcastle, ended up doing something with the vehicle. Several years later, it reappeared in our staff car park in a different paint colour and registration. It was being used by one of our film location companies as a laundry truck, full of washing machines.
> 
> 
> CMCR14 AT THE KIRKISTOWN RACEWAY
> The unit covered Swap Shop in the morning before televising
> motor racing in the afternoon on 8th October 1974
> 
> Dixie Deane remembers CMCR14 being used to televise a climbing programme at Pidgeon Rock on 24th August 1974
> ..... I remember doing a mountain climbing OB, where we carried EMI 2001 cameras up a mountainside (it took eight men and over one hour for each camera) with the cables laid across the valley to the OB fleet beside the road on the far side.
> 
> The yellow Landrover in the photo is a BBC Landrover. On the 9th February 1971, a BBC Landrover was approaching the Brougher mountain transmitter to carry out repairs.  On the lonely road up to the transmitter, it was blown up by the IRA and three workers and two BBC engineers were killed.  All the BBC Landrovers in Northern Ireland were immediately painted entirely bright yellow.
> 
> 
> Below -John Lunn, sound assistant, working the base station for 6 BBC TM3/3 radio microphones and also 6 Pye walkie talkies for climber?s deaf aids.  All could talk and listen to each other and with commentators in scanner cab.
> 
> John Lunn, sound assistant, working the base station for 6 BBC TM3/3 radio microphones and also 6 Pye walkie talkies for climber?s deaf aids.  All could talk and listen to each other and with commentators in scanner cab.
> 
> Gordon Bannster continues
> Our BBC Type 6 unit, CMCR47, had arrived in May 1987, but with no cameras and we used the trucks together with the EM 2001s in CMCR14 connected up to 47?s Vision Mixer.
> In 1988  we finally got our Thomson 1531s for our Type 6 CMCR47.
> 
> The photo above was taken in Bangor, Co Down, at a cycling road race, which had a full heli-teli with a Philips LDK14 in the ball and linking to the motorbike camera. This was in the post grey and green colours. Our CMVT is behind CMCR 47. The generator also belonged to BBCNI as we didn?t have access to hired-in Lee Generators, as mainland OB?s may have had. 
> BELOW  INTERIOR OF THE TYPE 6 
> 
> 
> ABOVE  TYPE 8 CMCR 66 
> In BBC Northern Ireland Livery
> Gordon Bannister continues;
> Our Type 8 unit, NIHD1, was an ex-Manchester truck. The photo was taken at Clones in July 2011 at the Ulster Football Finals.
> We have helped out BBC Scotland. We did the Edinburgh Tattoo about three times with the Type 8, up to 2010 and have since done various OBs in Scotland from football to Hogmanay. Our Type 8 was retired in 2011 after a good few years including an upgrade to SDI and HD, albeit it only ever did one OB in HD.
> 
> We have had a few other trucks over the years. LO3 a type 2, acted as a temporary gallery etc one summer, when our very old TV studio shell was refurbished in about 1982. LO22 was our first small/medium-sized truck which we had for a few years. Later we had CMCR55, a Type 7 to replace it. We shared it with BBC Scotland for a few years. 
> 
> BBC NORTHERN IRELAND HD1
> Gordon Bannister:
> This photo was taken at Radio 1?s Big Weekend in May 2013 in Derry/Londonderry. This truck is actually T5 ex-Telegenics, which was a rugby scanner that travelled a fair bit, including Moscow I believe, and did some of the early 3D tests for Sky. They needed the space for another 3D truck. It has been partially rebuilt inside by us and is used for a drive-in studio, sport and other OBs. On 23rd July 2012, this unit was used for the live Olympic Eastenders special for SIS, would you believe, as trucks were in short supply. 
> 
> ABOVE   BBC NORTHERN IRELAND HD2
> NIHD2 is a combined satellite and 5-camera truck. It was built new with final construction done locally in 2015. It is still very much in use. I know recently it has been used as a studio/uplink truck for Friday Night live rugby as BBCNI Sport won the contract. On one particular occasion recently, it was used with a hired large truck as our NIHD1 was tied up with other programmes.  Recently the latest rounds of Mastermind have been recorded in our drive-in studio.
> 
> Plans are in place to replace NIHD1 in the next year or two, as including its years with Telegenics, it is quite old, dating back to the 1990s. All the remaining original analogue CRT?s were replaced over the summer with flat HD screens and multiviewers and a new HD router to drive them, with all SD kit removed. The replacement truck is likely to be IP based, and certainly at one stage was going to be 4k, although as time goes on, that will be more likely anyway.
> Gordon Bannister
> 
>   
> TELEVISING THE 1969 ELECTION RESULTS
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Oct 28 16:44:10 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 22:44:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
Message-ID: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>

Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a Germany is approaching it.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 04:54:10 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:54:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
In-Reply-To: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>
References: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>
Message-ID: <6c9bd33c-427b-1238-bcd0-f63ffe9d8967@gmail.com>

It's all very well having a strategy, but as the Queen said - "Don't 
just talk - act".

For a while at the BBC, just before I escaped, I was attached to an 
admin department that had a budget for training, and as a working 
producer (when I could), my job was to advise on where to funnel the 
money they had. It was a sensible thing to do on the part of the woman 
who ran the department, as she acknowledged that she had no idea about 
tv or radio.?? What it did for me was to expose me to a part of the BBC 
that I knew about but had never been near. An area that produced 
strategy documents and had lots of meetings with croissants and coffee 
but never quite did anything.

There wasn't much friction between me and them - I spent a good bit of 
that time making my bomb disposal film in muddy fields - but there was a 
moment....?? The office secretary, young and not knowing the ways of BBC 
admin, suggested that we run a day in a studio where people who never 
got near the sharp end could try out being a camera person, or 
whatever.? It seemed like a good idea to me, so I chatted up lots of 
people and we ran it in TC3 for a day.? In the run up though, one of my 
HR colleagues in the office, during a meeting, said "You're in our world 
now Bernie".?? I said "No, you're in my world, because if I don't make 
this happen, it won't".?? Two completely different cultures in one office.

So - you can write all the strategy documents you want - it's cheap and 
people think your doing something - but someone has to actually do.

B




On 28/10/2021 22:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be 
> interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a 
> Germany is approaching it.
>
> https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy
>
> Alan Taylor
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Oct 29 06:00:34 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:00:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
In-Reply-To: <6c9bd33c-427b-1238-bcd0-f63ffe9d8967@gmail.com>
References: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>
	<6c9bd33c-427b-1238-bcd0-f63ffe9d8967@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF4545DF-E594-4AFE-821E-147A8AAF9B2A@me.com>

There's a quote alledgedly from a heavyweight boxer - "Everyone has a fight strategy until they get a punch in the mouth."
Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 29 Oct 2021, at 10:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It's all very well having a strategy, but as the Queen said - "Don't just talk - act".    
> 
> For a while at the BBC, just before I escaped, I was attached to an admin department that had a budget for training, and as a working producer (when I could), my job was to advise on where to funnel the money they had. It was a sensible thing to do on the part of the woman who ran the department, as she acknowledged that she had no idea about tv or radio.   What it did for me was to expose me to a part of the BBC that I knew about but had never been near. An area that produced strategy documents and had lots of meetings with croissants and coffee but never quite did anything.
> 
> There wasn't much friction between me and them - I spent a good bit of that time making my bomb disposal film in muddy fields - but there was a moment....   The office secretary, young and not knowing the ways of BBC admin, suggested that we run a day in a studio where people who never got near the sharp end could try out being a camera person, or whatever.  It seemed like a good idea to me, so I chatted up lots of people and we ran it in TC3 for a day.  In the run up though, one of my HR colleagues in the office, during a meeting, said "You're in our world now Bernie".   I said "No, you're in my world, because if I don't make this happen, it won't".   Two completely different cultures in one office.
> 
> So - you can write all the strategy documents you want - it's cheap and people think your doing something - but someone has to actually do. 
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/10/2021 22:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a Germany is approaching it.
>> 
>> https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy <https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy>
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Oct 29 06:09:29 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:09:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
In-Reply-To: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>
References: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>
Message-ID: <6062A784-A71A-4CE2-A2E4-5759624F5D85@me.com>

Aberdeen Council seems to be doing well and that's not just because I was born there, as was Dave P.

https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/environment/aberdeen-hydrogen-hub <https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/environment/aberdeen-hydrogen-hub>


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 28 Oct 2021, at 22:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a Germany is approaching it.
> 
> https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy <https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy>
> 
> Alan Taylor
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 06:15:56 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:15:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  German hydrogen strategy
In-Reply-To: <9F13097A-9A87-4FD6-8B37-062753629B85@sky.com>
References: <9F13097A-9A87-4FD6-8B37-062753629B85@sky.com>
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
Date: 	Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:14:10 +0100
From: 	B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



This reminds me , a bit, about my time at Granada / ITV as a news 
cameraman. ?The head of the news department would usually stay in the 
job for about three years before moving on upwards or sideways.
I detected a trend in that operation of that sort of job. After arriving 
we would have a big optimistic meeting where the new boss would announce 
 ?? changes? . Despite being told that the things he or she were 
suggesting had been tried years before and had not worked ,they usually 
ignored all the workers and ploughed onwards with the ?New Idea?.
Then after ?two and a half years they left , with the new idea not 
having worked and were replaced by a new person , with a different new 
idea . So we had a big meeting?.etc.
My theory was that being in the job for two and a half years they never 
were around for long enough to take the blame for the failed idea, so 
carried on successfully into new jobs where this trend probably continued.
Of course the mistake they all made was to assume that the people they 
were managing, who had been in jobs for many years, couldn?t possibly 
know the right way to do things.
An example of this is British Gas where all the time served experienced 
engineers were told to ?re apply? for their own jobs with worse 
conditions. Many of them just retired or left and according to my fiend 
who has gas boiler service contract the replacements are useless but 
probably cheaper to employ. One guy who came asked if my friend had the 
manual for the boiler, ended up cutting off the gas and condemning the 
boiler because of a poorly sealed plate. When the next engineer arrived 
( experienced) he said that the seal did not have a safety function and 
was perfectly ok, re connected the gas and did a boiler service which 
the previous guy had not even done.
This is progress?

Sent from my iPad

> On 29 Oct 2021, at 10:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ? It's all very well having a strategy, but as the Queen said - "Don't 
> just talk - act".
>
> For a while at the BBC, just before I escaped, I was attached to an 
> admin department that had a budget for training, and as a working 
> producer (when I could), my job was to advise on where to funnel the 
> money they had. It was a sensible thing to do on the part of the woman 
> who ran the department, as she acknowledged that she had no idea about 
> tv or radio.?? What it did for me was to expose me to a part of the 
> BBC that I knew about but had never been near. An area that produced 
> strategy documents and had lots of meetings with croissants and coffee 
> but never quite did anything.
>
> There wasn't much friction between me and them - I spent a good bit of 
> that time making my bomb disposal film in muddy fields - but there was 
> a moment....?? The office secretary, young and not knowing the ways of 
> BBC admin, suggested that we run a day in a studio where people who 
> never got near the sharp end could try out being a camera person, or 
> whatever.? It seemed like a good idea to me, so I chatted up lots of 
> people and we ran it in TC3 for a day.? In the run up though, one of 
> my HR colleagues in the office, during a meeting, said "You're in our 
> world now Bernie".?? I said "No, you're in my world, because if I 
> don't make this happen, it won't".?? Two completely different cultures 
> in one office.
>
> So - you can write all the strategy documents you want - it's cheap 
> and people think your doing something - but someone has to actually do.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
> On 28/10/2021 22:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be 
>> interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a 
>> Germany is approaching it.
>>
>> https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 06:32:58 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:32:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
In-Reply-To: <6062A784-A71A-4CE2-A2E4-5759624F5D85@me.com>
References: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>
	<6062A784-A71A-4CE2-A2E4-5759624F5D85@me.com>
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It's probably the right time to invest in hydrogen producers.?? To me it 
becomes more and more obvious that batteries, and battery changers, 
aren't the answer to big distribution,? but if we make hydrogen near to 
the electricity production area - next to a wind farm or SNR or whatever 
- we have a viable setup.

I looked up which companies do this -

"ITM Power, Johnson Matthey and Ceres Power are already producing the 
technology for low and zero carbon hydrogen".

As it happens I put ?1000 into Ceres Power a long time ago, because I 
thought their technology had future.? My ?1000 turned into about ?200 
soon enough. I didn't and don't understand why - maybe bad management?? 
I see the price is going up now so maybe I'll make a profit one day.

B





On 29/10/2021 12:09, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Aberdeen Council seems to be doing well and that's not just because I 
> was born there, as was Dave P.
>
> https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/environment/aberdeen-hydrogen-hub
>
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 28 Oct 2021, at 22:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be 
>> interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a 
>> Germany is approaching it.
>>
>> https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy
>>
>> Alan Taylor
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 29 06:44:37 2021
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:44:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
In-Reply-To: <6c9bd33c-427b-1238-bcd0-f63ffe9d8967@gmail.com>
References: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>
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Thank you Bernie, for underlining the reasons why TVC was sold off.

Hugh

On 29/10/2021 10:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> It's all very well having a strategy, but as the Queen said - "Don't 
> just talk - act".
>
> For a while at the BBC, just before I escaped, I was attached to an 
> admin department that had a budget for training, and as a working 
> producer (when I could), my job was to advise on where to funnel the 
> money they had. It was a sensible thing to do on the part of the woman 
> who ran the department, as she acknowledged that she had no idea about 
> tv or radio.?? What it did for me was to expose me to a part of the 
> BBC that I knew about but had never been near. An area that produced 
> strategy documents and had lots of meetings with croissants and coffee 
> but never quite did anything.
>
> There wasn't much friction between me and them - I spent a good bit of 
> that time making my bomb disposal film in muddy fields - but there was 
> a moment....?? The office secretary, young and not knowing the ways of 
> BBC admin, suggested that we run a day in a studio where people who 
> never got near the sharp end could try out being a camera person, or 
> whatever.? It seemed like a good idea to me, so I chatted up lots of 
> people and we ran it in TC3 for a day.? In the run up though, one of 
> my HR colleagues in the office, during a meeting, said "You're in our 
> world now Bernie".?? I said "No, you're in my world, because if I 
> don't make this happen, it won't".?? Two completely different cultures 
> in one office.
>
> So - you can write all the strategy documents you want - it's cheap 
> and people think your doing something - but someone has to actually do.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
> On 28/10/2021 22:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be 
>> interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a 
>> Germany is approaching it.
>>
>> https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>
>

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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 06:52:00 2021
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:52:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Max Stahl/Christopher Wenner - ex Blue Peter
Message-ID: <000201d7ccbb$65a2fcd0$30e8f670$@soundsuper.co.uk>

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59075271

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 07:16:34 2021
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 13:16:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
In-Reply-To: <6062A784-A71A-4CE2-A2E4-5759624F5D85@me.com>
References: <9BDE2C90-C03B-41E8-A263-FFD9CA6846F7@me.com>
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It's a fallacy that hydrogen is a truly green fuel under all conditions. 
Some think it would be an ideal replacement for natural gas? used for 
heating. But it produces NOx under those conditions. As it does if used 
in an internal combustion engine. In a fuel cell, it is largely 
pollution free, though. But not as efficient a way of recovering the 
energy from it.

In London, we now have the ULEZ. Which has coincided with a reduction in 
PT services. Before Covid, there was a train every 10 minutes to take me 
to Clapham Junction - only a few minutes journey. Giving me access to 
ASDA, Lidl, and Boots. Now 20 minutes or more. So I now use my car.

Other thing is the ULEZ will make the poorer who need a car to swap 
their older diesel for petrol. Due to the cost of buying a Euro6 
compliant diesel. Which will increase CO2 , but reduce NOx. And don't 
get me started on the vast numbers of Euro6 compliant cars with Bosch 
injection which pass the lab tests, but fail miserably in actual use.

On 29/10/2021 12:09, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Aberdeen Council seems to be doing well and that's not just because I 
> was born there, as was Dave P.
>
> https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/environment/aberdeen-hydrogen-hub
>
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>> On 28 Oct 2021, at 22:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be 
>> interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a 
>> Germany is approaching it.
>>
>> https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy
>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct 29 08:06:09 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:06:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
In-Reply-To: <6c9bd33c-427b-1238-bcd0-f63ffe9d8967@gmail.com>
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In Germany it?s not merely a theoretical strategy, they already have a network of hydrogen refuelling stations for cars.  In Feb 2020, when I was last in Erfurt ( small city in former East Germany ) I spotted an H2 logo on a Total petrol station on the Erfurt ring road. When I asked my in-laws about it, they explained that they were all over Germany, not just the really big cities.  Apparently the main users in Erfurt are cars with fuel cells. 

Having had the logo explained to me, I noticed others as we drove home and understand that there are at least fifty of them across the country.

Rural Germany has a lot of wind turbines, while solar panels on roofs are everywhere, especially on agricultural, educational, governmental and industrial buildings.  Their ambition to use wind and solar power to create hydrogen does seem perfectly realistic. It remains to be seen how successfully it will scale up, but they seem pretty confident about it and are now learning more by doing it for real.

Alan Taylor

> On 29 Oct 2021, at 10:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? It's all very well having a strategy, but as the Queen said - "Don't just talk - act".    
> 
> For a while at the BBC, just before I escaped, I was attached to an admin department that had a budget for training, and as a working producer (when I could), my job was to advise on where to funnel the money they had. It was a sensible thing to do on the part of the woman who ran the department, as she acknowledged that she had no idea about tv or radio.   What it did for me was to expose me to a part of the BBC that I knew about but had never been near. An area that produced strategy documents and had lots of meetings with croissants and coffee but never quite did anything.
> 
> There wasn't much friction between me and them - I spent a good bit of that time making my bomb disposal film in muddy fields - but there was a moment....   The office secretary, young and not knowing the ways of BBC admin, suggested that we run a day in a studio where people who never got near the sharp end could try out being a camera person, or whatever.  It seemed like a good idea to me, so I chatted up lots of people and we ran it in TC3 for a day.  In the run up though, one of my HR colleagues in the office, during a meeting, said "You're in our world now Bernie".   I said "No, you're in my world, because if I don't make this happen, it won't".   Two completely different cultures in one office.
> 
> So - you can write all the strategy documents you want - it's cheap and people think your doing something - but someone has to actually do. 
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/10/2021 22:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Further to the recent discussion about hydrogen power, some might be interested in this fairly lengthy but detailed report about how a Germany is approaching it.
>> 
>> https://www.csis.org/analysis/germanys-hydrogen-industrial-strategy
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 08:34:13 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:34:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] German hydrogen strategy
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Germany - and many other EU countries - don't have the habit of sucking 
air through their teeth and muttering "don't think that's possible" 
about so many new ideas. For instance the media here are full of how 
heat pumps aren't going to work.... irrespective of the fact that they 
have been working for decades in other countries. Instead, the Germans 
do tend to work out a strategy and then implement it. They may not 
always get things perfect but they do not have the insular view of our 
Blighty nation.

Hydrogen has a great deal of drawbacks, and probably isn't the great 
saviour fuel of the future, but it probably does have a place amongst 
other fuels for some limited purposes. In many cases it is much better 
to use the electric power necessary to create green hydrogen directly - 
remember that a heat pump is 200-400% efficient, whereas green hydrogen 
can only be around 70%.

The benefits of hydrogen are in it being a portable fuel, but sadly it 
has many drawbacks. The effective energy density (inclusive of the 
massive cylinders needed to contain it) is a lot lower than diesel or 
petrol. It does work quite well, and cleanly, in fuel cells, but these 
are a bit delicate for many uses such as construction machinery and 
tractors. And as an explosion hazard at filling stations it is risky stuff.

There is a great danger that some of our politicians - who invariably 
have a long-term view that barely extends beyond the first year of the 
next parliament, at best - will see hydrogen as a quick compromise 
solution to home heating. That would be a tragic strategic mistake.

Chris Woolf




On 29/10/2021 14:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> In Germany it?s not merely a theoretical strategy, they already have a 
> network of hydrogen refuelling stations for cars. ?In Feb 2020, when I 
> was last in Erfurt ( small city in former East Germany ) I spotted an 
> H2 logo on a Total petrol station on the Erfurt ring road. When I 
> asked my in-laws about it, they explained that they were all over 
> Germany, not just the really big cities. ?Apparently the main users in 
> Erfurt are cars with fuel cells.
>
> Having had the logo explained to me, I noticed others as we drove home 
> and understand that there are at least fifty of them across the country.
>
> Rural Germany has a lot of wind turbines, while solar panels on roofs 
> are everywhere, especially on agricultural, educational, governmental 
> and industrial buildings. ?Their ambition to use wind and solar power 
> to create hydrogen does seem perfectly realistic. It remains to be 
> seen how successfully it will scale up, but they seem pretty confident 
> about it and are now learning more by doing it for real.
>
> Alan Taylor
>

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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 30 06:08:27 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:08:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981A95B4C63EB31DBE34DB3A7889@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dear arty folk amongst you (I know you?re there!),
I have a rare and fragile original architect?s planning application drawing that I need to make the best possible copy of. It measures 45? x 33.5?. From searches I?ve done, there don?t seem to be any other copies available anywhere.  I have it on loan for a month before it has to be returned.
I could of course, set it up on an easel and photograph it, but that could never be as good as a same size scan. It has been folded up to around A4 size in storage, so not any easy task with a camera anyway. I did think of photographing it in sections and patching them together in Photoshop, etc., but looking for a more sensible option first.
Any suggestions?
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Sat Oct 30 06:27:59 2021
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:27:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document
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Nick,
I frequently join images in Photoshop and it's straightforward, however you do need an overlap for each image so that you can align the 'layers'. 
Scanning would require you to produce such overlaps of each folded A4 section...not easy to achieve I guess, without even more folding of the document.
I would opt for photographing it in sections, but that would best be carried out with the camera looking down, mounted on a 'copy stand', such as you get when you visit the National Record Office in Kew. I've photographed old documents there and produced perfect joins later in Photoshop.
So anyone got a copy stand, like a photographic enlarger stand but with a camera threaded mount?
David T.

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On 30 Oct 2021, 12:08, at 12:08, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>Dear arty folk amongst you (I know you?re there!),
>I have a rare and fragile original architect?s planning application
>drawing that I need to make the best possible copy of. It measures 45?
>x 33.5?. From searches I?ve done, there don?t seem to be any other
>copies available anywhere.  I have it on loan for a month before it has
>to be returned.
>I could of course, set it up on an easel and photograph it, but that
>could never be as good as a same size scan. It has been folded up to
>around A4 size in storage, so not any easy task with a camera anyway. I
>did think of photographing it in sections and patching them together in
>Photoshop, etc., but looking for a more sensible option first.
>Any suggestions?
>Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 30 06:44:35 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:44:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB1981A95B4C63EB31DBE34DB3A7889@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PAXP191MB1981A95B4C63EB31DBE34DB3A7889@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I copied a document almost as big as that by using an A4 flat bed scanner and scanning the original in sections with a decent overlap each time. The scanner worked well because the scale, linearity and angle of view were the same each time, but you do have to compensate for incredibly small misalignment angles, even though you think it was scanned with the orientation exactly straight. 

Previously I had tried photographing it in sections, but I never quite got the parallax sorted. The original image had lots of straight fine lines, but the patchwork photographic copy always ended up with irregularities. I tried correcting trapezoid distortion, but never got it exactly perfect.

An approach which you could  try is to take a series of panoramic photos with a smartphone.  If you can improvise some sort of dolly or slider for your smartphone to move it in a perfectly straight line, you might be able to take a sequence of panoramic pictures in the x axis and stitch the panoramic images together in the y axis to get the height you need.  

I?ve always made a point of making a photographic record of whatever pipes and cables are underneath my floor whenever I do any DIY.  Initially I did it by taking lots of pictures and stitching them together ( not neatly, but it didn?t matter as it was only for reference ), but when I tried taking panoramic pics, they stitched together much more neatly once I adjusted the scale a tiny bit for each image.

The stitching process itself is quite straightforward. Make sure that each image is on an individual layer so that you can tweak them if subsequent sections don?t fit as expected. The first thing is to get the orientation exactly perfect, then the scale.  I don?t adjust with the mouse, but type figures into the measurement box, which means I can make precise  microscopic adjustments if needed.  Similarly when moving one image to exactly line up with the adjacent one, once it?s roughly aligned I set maximum viewing magnification and use the cursor keys to nudge it one pixel at a time to get it spot on and then look at the other end of that image to see if the scaling or rotation needs a little tweak.

I used to use Photoshop, but these days I use a Mac application called Pixelmator which I highly recommend to Mac users and now prefer using, even though I?ve used Photoshop for decades. 

Alan Taylor



> On 30 Oct 2021, at 12:08, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Dear arty folk amongst you (I know you?re there!),
> I have a rare and fragile original architect?s planning application drawing that I need to make the best possible copy of. It measures 45? x 33.5?. From searches I?ve done, there don?t seem to be any other copies available anywhere.  I have it on loan for a month before it has to be returned.
> I could of course, set it up on an easel and photograph it, but that could never be as good as a same size scan. It has been folded up to around A4 size in storage, so not any easy task with a camera anyway. I did think of photographing it in sections and patching them together in Photoshop, etc., but looking for a more sensible option first.
> Any suggestions?
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> -- 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 30 06:47:59 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:47:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document
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Oddly was chatting to the architect who did the conversion here. And at 
about 80, still working. And not a computer in sight - he still draws 
plans by hand. I still have the plans he did here which were full sized 
copies of some sort. So I'd guess he can still have copies made?

On 30/10/2021 12:08, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear arty folk amongst you (I know you?re there!),
> I have a rare and fragile original architect?s planning application drawing that I need to make the best possible copy of. It measures 45? x 33.5?. From searches I?ve done, there don?t seem to be any other copies available anywhere.  I have it on loan for a month before it has to be returned.
> I could of course, set it up on an easel and photograph it, but that could never be as good as a same size scan. It has been folded up to around A4 size in storage, so not any easy task with a camera anyway. I did think of photographing it in sections and patching them together in Photoshop, etc., but looking for a more sensible option first.
> Any suggestions?
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 30 08:46:50 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 14:46:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document
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References: <0AD61080-5A25-496F-8E58-974DEB288266@me.com>
Message-ID: <348E3436-B65B-4305-BE0B-05D06D88792A@me.com>

Another thing to try is to improvise a copying stand from a suitable cardboard box.

I?ve cut holes in a rugged cardboard box, big one at bottom, large ones in sides to let light in ( via grease proof paper if you want softer light ) with a small hole for the cellphone, gaffered in position.  If you lay a strip of wood on the document and align the box with it, you should be able to take a series of pics which would line up accurately.  Put marks on the wooden strip and you can move the contraption along in consistent steps. Remember to allow a decent overlap in the vertical and horizontal axis.

Alan Taylor

> On 30 Oct 2021, at 12:44, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I copied a document almost as big as that by using an A4 flat bed scanner and scanning the original in sections with a decent overlap each time. The scanner worked well because the scale, linearity and angle of view were the same each time, but you do have to compensate for incredibly small misalignment angles, even though you think it was scanned with the orientation exactly straight. 
> 
> Previously I had tried photographing it in sections, but I never quite got the parallax sorted. The original image had lots of straight fine lines, but the patchwork photographic copy always ended up with irregularities. I tried correcting trapezoid distortion, but never got it exactly perfect.
> 
> An approach which you could  try is to take a series of panoramic photos with a smartphone.  If you can improvise some sort of dolly or slider for your smartphone to move it in a perfectly straight line, you might be able to take a sequence of panoramic pictures in the x axis and stitch the panoramic images together in the y axis to get the height you need.  
> 
> I?ve always made a point of making a photographic record of whatever pipes and cables are underneath my floor whenever I do any DIY.  Initially I did it by taking lots of pictures and stitching them together ( not neatly, but it didn?t matter as it was only for reference ), but when I tried taking panoramic pics, they stitched together much more neatly once I adjusted the scale a tiny bit for each image.
> 
> The stitching process itself is quite straightforward. Make sure that each image is on an individual layer so that you can tweak them if subsequent sections don?t fit as expected. The first thing is to get the orientation exactly perfect, then the scale.  I don?t adjust with the mouse, but type figures into the measurement box, which means I can make precise  microscopic adjustments if needed.  Similarly when moving one image to exactly line up with the adjacent one, once it?s roughly aligned I set maximum viewing magnification and use the cursor keys to nudge it one pixel at a time to get it spot on and then look at the other end of that image to see if the scaling or rotation needs a little tweak.
> 
> I used to use Photoshop, but these days I use a Mac application called Pixelmator which I highly recommend to Mac users and now prefer using, even though I?ve used Photoshop for decades. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Oct 2021, at 12:08, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Dear arty folk amongst you (I know you?re there!),
>> I have a rare and fragile original architect?s planning application drawing that I need to make the best possible copy of. It measures 45? x 33.5?. From searches I?ve done, there don?t seem to be any other copies available anywhere.  I have it on loan for a month before it has to be returned.
>> I could of course, set it up on an easel and photograph it, but that could never be as good as a same size scan. It has been folded up to around A4 size in storage, so not any easy task with a camera anyway. I did think of photographing it in sections and patching them together in Photoshop, etc., but looking for a more sensible option first.
>> Any suggestions?
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct 30 08:55:47 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 14:55:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document
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Like David T. I've often multiple -scanned overlap images and then stitched 
in Elements but it is sometimes difficult to obtain perfect matching, 
particularly where folds and bends have to be overcome e.g. large maps. Your 
document sounds deserving of the best process so I wonder if commercial 
channels might be worth pursuing?

Wide format scanners are made by a number of manufacturers, some able to 
scan widths of as much as 54". Taking your smaller dimension of 33.5", a 
number of wide format models of 36" width capacity can accommodate long 
lengths so might be a feasible proposition. Commercially advertised scanning 
services suggest that multiple scans in sections can be stitched using 
purpose designed software that perhaps betters standard photo-editing 
capability.

I have a copy stand I used extensively over many years at the Natural 
History Museum's bird specimen and skin collection at Tring (formerly South 
Ken.) - literally thousands of birds and not a few book plates from their 
library. Never tried to tackle large documents and given the probable need 
for lighting I can see it being a less than easy proposition. Attached photo 
was back in the days I was still using film; note the angle viewfinder, 
remote release, daylight rated light source etc. etc. - all a bit of a heavy 
number for occasional or one-off use.

If you were just around the corner you'd be welcome to a loan but not much 
help from 150 miles away!

Good luck,

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 12:08 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document

Dear arty folk amongst you (I know you?re there!),
I have a rare and fragile original architect?s planning application drawing 
that I need to make the best possible copy of. It measures 45? x 33.5?. From 
searches I?ve done, there don?t seem to be any other copies available 
anywhere.  I have it on loan for a month before it has to be returned.
I could of course, set it up on an easel and photograph it, but that could 
never be as good as a same size scan. It has been folded up to around A4 
size in storage, so not any easy task with a camera anyway. I did think of 
photographing it in sections and patching them together in Photoshop, etc., 
but looking for a more sensible option first.
Any suggestions?
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 30 09:27:37 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 15:27:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document
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Great stuff there Dave.  If you don?t have a cable release, timed shutter release minimises vibration. If you?re using a modern camera, there is a fair chance that there is an app to remote control the camera, previewing the image, setting the controls and firing the shutter from an app on your phone or tablet. 

If you?re using a phone as a camera, I would suggest having massive overlaps and only using the centre sections of each picture to avoid lens distortions. Again there are apps for many phones allowing photographs to be previewed and triggered from another phone or tablet. 

Dave, I didn?t know you were involved with Tring.  It?s a fascinating museum, I?ve filmed there and also been as a visitor a few times. Well worth a visit, especially when it?s not school holidays and the place is more peaceful. The show I did there was prior to Crufts, featuring the pedigree dog collection from Victorian times.  Looking at them it?s hard to believe just how enormously the modern ones have changed from how they were in those days.

Alan Taylor

> On 30 Oct 2021, at 14:56, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Like David T. I've often multiple -scanned overlap images and then stitched in Elements but it is sometimes difficult to obtain perfect matching, particularly where folds and bends have to be overcome e.g. large maps. Your document sounds deserving of the best process so I wonder if commercial channels might be worth pursuing?
> 
> Wide format scanners are made by a number of manufacturers, some able to scan widths of as much as 54". Taking your smaller dimension of 33.5", a number of wide format models of 36" width capacity can accommodate long lengths so might be a feasible proposition. Commercially advertised scanning services suggest that multiple scans in sections can be stitched using purpose designed software that perhaps betters standard photo-editing capability.
> 
> I have a copy stand I used extensively over many years at the Natural History Museum's bird specimen and skin collection at Tring (formerly South Ken.) - literally thousands of birds and not a few book plates from their library. Never tried to tackle large documents and given the probable need for lighting I can see it being a less than easy proposition. Attached photo was back in the days I was still using film; note the angle viewfinder, remote release, daylight rated light source etc. etc. - all a bit of a heavy number for occasional or one-off use.
> 
> If you were just around the corner you'd be welcome to a loan but not much help from 150 miles away!
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 12:08 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Photocopy of an old document
> 
> Dear arty folk amongst you (I know you?re there!),
> I have a rare and fragile original architect?s planning application drawing that I need to make the best possible copy of. It measures 45? x 33.5?. From searches I?ve done, there don?t seem to be any other copies available anywhere.  I have it on loan for a month before it has to be returned.
> I could of course, set it up on an easel and photograph it, but that could never be as good as a same size scan. It has been folded up to around A4 size in storage, so not any easy task with a camera anyway. I did think of photographing it in sections and patching them together in Photoshop, etc., but looking for a more sensible option first.
> Any suggestions?
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 07:43:40 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 12:43:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?We_claimed_=C2=A370=2C000_in_grants_for_heat_p?=
	=?utf-8?q?ump=2C_but_it_saved_us_NOTHING_=7C_Daily_Mail_Online?=
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https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-10147319/We-claimed-70-000-grants-heat-pump-saved-NOTHING.html
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