From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 1 02:14:18 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 08:14:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Substitute boom ops. Was (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dismaying as it might be to be told that your boom op is going to be the runner, there are a couple of other bits of news which make my heart sink even faster. One is that ... the role of the shop assistant will be played by the director?s partner / wife. This so often means that an attractive but not very talented actress will be given the part. The ones to worry about are those who only have worked on productions directed by him. The only worse thing than being told them being an item is not knowing they are an item and saying to the director how useless that actress is ( which nearly happened on a big series I worked on, but the fist assistant spotted it about to happen and tactfully intervened ). The other one is more of a varian than a separate category ... The three year old child in this story will be played by the producer?s granddaughter. Not only do you end up with a less photogenic child than you would have got from an agency, but they come with a chaperone who is the daughter of the producer. Then there is that perennial favourite of telling you something significant at the last moment. On live inserts for Swap Shop, I was told ?Oh by the way, did I tell you about the penguin marching band??. It turned out that a forty piece marching brass band dressed as penguins would be taking part in the show. More than half an hours notice during a live transmission would have been a nice touch. Alan Taylor > On 28 Feb 2021, at 11:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ? > ?Couldn?t agree more. An undervalued and underestimated skill indeed. The more so, pole operating, because there?s no counterbalance weight, it?s not length-adjustable while in use, and you?re at floor level potentially in everybody?s way. If the boom op doesn?t do a good job there?s nothing the Sound Mixer or Post can do to make it any better! > I lost count a long time ago of how many times I?ve heard the deeply offensive statement: ?Do we really need a boom operator? The runner (or spark) can hold the pole.? - They think that?s all there is to it! > Did you ever see this animated example of how little regard or understanding Production have for the Sound department? You?ve heard of text-to-speech, even speech-to-text, but how about text-to-pictures, as here?: > Youtube search: ? Sound Mixer Hell ? - it?s a classic. (I would show the url, but it doesn?t seem to work this side of the pond maybe). Sound Mixer Hell does. > > Now let?s all go out and enjoy the sunshine - suitably distanced, of course. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 28 Feb 2021, at 08:26, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Nothing demeaning about a talented boom op using a fish pole. >> >> I did a film of Fiona Shaw performing a one woman version of The Wasteland. During the planning meeting it became obvious that it was going to be very difficult to get decent sound coverage. >> >> One of the biggest challenges was a very lengthy tracking shot with multiple overhead obstructions. It would use an entire 400 foot roll of film, which runs for 11 minutes. Obviously nobody wants to risk screwing up and causing a retake. >> >> I told the producer that freelance boom op Dave Sutton was the guy I needed if shots such as that were being attempted. I warned them he was not cheap, but was worth it. I also phoned Dave and suggested that he didn?t budge on his rate because I had told production that we absolutely had to have him. As things turned out, Dave managed to negotiate a slightly higher daily rate than I was charging, which was absolutely fine by me. >> >> The sequence itself was shot without using a clapper board and if there was still any film still running in the camera at the end, an upside down clapper board would be rushed in. On a couple of takes the film did run out just before the end of the performance, but we did get a few good takes too. >> >> Shooting on film with an electronic viewfinder, there is a visible safe area above the marked frame. It was incredible to see how Dave kept the tip of the microphone visible in the safe area but never in shot, this was while walking along and avoiding lamp stands, overhead lighting and multiple obstructions built by the art dept. No shadows in shot either, despite complex lighting which wasn?t at all sound-friendly. It was all done with a five metre pole extended to about three quarters, so it was physically demanding too. >> >> The finished film got shown at Cannes and when Variety reviewed it, they specifically praised the sound, but Dave Sutton was the one who really made the difference. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 27 Feb 2021, at 20:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave >>> >>>> On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 1 05:33:27 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 11:33:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Substitute boom ops. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <603cd107.1c69fb81.1029c.81ee@mx.google.com> Hi Alan, That precise scenario happened with a Thames TV biographical drama: ?The One & Only Phyllis Dixey? about Britain?s first stripper. The Director?s girlfriend had been cast as Phyllis, but after a few days the DoP said that there was no way he could make a 35 year old look 18! Director says she?s in it or I go. Bye bye Director! So the production collapsed. It was resuscitated later with Lesley-Anne Down in the title role, who was perfect. All the music numbers were recorded in Thames? music studio and we shot in Blackpool?s theatres, in January. It was so cold that the sea froze at the edge! Nevertheless it was a fun show to work on. I was engaged as boom op, as Thames? Film Unit didn?t have an experienced operator used to a Fisher boom. One scene required an audience of servicemen, so a whole crowd were bussed in from Barrow-in-Furness, and they discovered where the cast girls and crew where staying. A large Petty Officer plonked himself next to me in the bar, saying: ?You?re the guy with the long thing that goes in and out!? ?Not me, mate, go and talk to John, the Props Master ? he?s more what you?re looking for!? Luckily he disappeared in that direction. It turned out to be a good show. I have a DVD version, from an off-air VHS ? if anyone would like to see it, drop me a message with your postal address. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 01 March 2021 08:14 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Substitute boom ops. Was (no subject) Dismaying as it might be to be told that your boom op is going to be the runner, there are a couple of other bits of news which make my heart sink even faster. One is that ... the role of the shop assistant will be played by the director?s partner / wife. This so often means that an attractive but not very talented actress will be given the part. ?The ones to worry about are those who only have worked on productions directed by him. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Mar 1 05:37:43 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 11:37:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Substitute boom ops. Was (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happens in MU too. I worked as UM on a long drama serial shot on OBs. The director was an absolute bastard throughout and half the time the First and I were trying to stop actors walking out of the whole thing let alone freelance crew members. Of course I told my long suffering make up artist wife all about his iniquities all through the shoot. Cut to a few weeks later when she was talking to an actress she was making up in the MU room and his name came up. Anya mentioned how difficult he was to work with, only to have the actress remark "Actually, he's my husband!" Geoff F On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 at 08:14, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Dismaying as it might be to be told that your boom op is going to be the > runner, there are a couple of other bits of news which make my heart sink > even faster. > > One is that ... the role of the shop assistant will be played by the > director?s partner / wife. This so often means that an attractive but not > very talented actress will be given the part. The ones to worry about are > those who only have worked on productions directed by him. The only worse > thing than being told them being an item is not knowing they are an item > and saying to the director how useless that actress is ( which nearly > happened on a big series I worked on, but the fist assistant spotted it > about to happen and tactfully intervened ). > > The other one is more of a varian than a separate category ... The three > year old child in this story will be played by the producer?s > granddaughter. Not only do you end up with a less photogenic child than you > would have got from an agency, but they come with a chaperone who is the > daughter of the producer. > > Then there is that perennial favourite of telling you something > significant at the last moment. On live inserts for Swap Shop, I was told > ?Oh by the way, did I tell you about the penguin marching band??. It > turned out that a forty piece marching brass band dressed as penguins would > be taking part in the show. More than half an hours notice during a live > transmission would have been a nice touch. > > Alan Taylor > > > On 28 Feb 2021, at 11:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > ? > ?Couldn?t agree more. An undervalued and underestimated skill indeed. The > more so, pole operating, because there?s no counterbalance weight, it?s not > length-adjustable while in use, and you?re at floor level potentially in > everybody?s way. If the boom op doesn?t do a good job there?s nothing the > Sound Mixer or Post can do to make it any better! > I lost count a long time ago of how many times I?ve heard the deeply > offensive statement: ?Do we really need a boom operator? The runner (or > spark) can hold the pole.? - They think that?s all there is to it! > Did you ever see this animated example of how little regard or > understanding Production have for the Sound department? You?ve heard of > text-to-speech, even speech-to-text, but how about text-to-pictures, as > here?: > Youtube search: ? Sound Mixer Hell ? - it?s a classic. (I would show the > url, but it doesn?t seem to work this side of the pond maybe). Sound Mixer > Hell does. > > Now let?s all go out and enjoy the sunshine - suitably distanced, of > course. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 28 Feb 2021, at 08:26, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > Nothing demeaning about a talented boom op using a fish pole. > > I did a film of Fiona Shaw performing a one woman version of The > Wasteland. During the planning meeting it became obvious that it was going > to be very difficult to get decent sound coverage. > > One of the biggest challenges was a very lengthy tracking shot with > multiple overhead obstructions. It would use an entire 400 foot roll of > film, which runs for 11 minutes. Obviously nobody wants to risk screwing up > and causing a retake. > > I told the producer that freelance boom op Dave Sutton was the guy I > needed if shots such as that were being attempted. I warned them he was not > cheap, but was worth it. I also phoned Dave and suggested that he didn?t > budge on his rate because I had told production that we absolutely had to > have him. As things turned out, Dave managed to negotiate a slightly > higher daily rate than I was charging, which was absolutely fine by me. > > The sequence itself was shot without using a clapper board and if there > was still any film still running in the camera at the end, an upside down > clapper board would be rushed in. On a couple of takes the film did run out > just before the end of the performance, but we did get a few good takes too. > > Shooting on film with an electronic viewfinder, there is a visible safe > area above the marked frame. It was incredible to see how Dave kept the > tip of the microphone visible in the safe area but never in shot, this was > while walking along and avoiding lamp stands, overhead lighting and > multiple obstructions built by the art dept. No shadows in shot either, > despite complex lighting which wasn?t at all sound-friendly. It was all > done with a five metre pole extended to about three quarters, so it was > physically demanding too. > > The finished film got shown at Cannes and when Variety reviewed it, they > specifically praised the sound, but Dave Sutton was the one who really made > the difference. > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 27 Feb 2021, at 20:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real > boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave > On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join > Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Mar 1 07:41:23 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 13:41:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> Message-ID: <590666c73cdavesound@btinternet.com> How very odd. This is the first time I've seen it on here. I've done some research and it seems those adaptors which look the same can have difference chipsets. So a gamble if they work with your OS. Had the same problem with Serial to USB adaptors too. In article <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899 at email.android.com>, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > If you mean this one, it did post. I had the same problem, sent two back that did not work. I finally found one on Amazon some time ago that seems to work, but have not used properly yet. I will have a look at my old Amazon orders and post a link. > Doug > On 27 February 2021, at 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Came across a box of VHS tapes I'd forgotten about. Had transferred the > ones I wanted to DVD many years ago. > Do still have a working VHS player - a Panasonic S-VHS which cost and arm > on a leg years ago, so kept for sentimental reasons. ;-) And checked it > out - it still works. > I'd like to transfer some of those tapes to hard disc - I have a server > for use on the main TV. > But don't any longer have a PC with analogue video inputs. > Bought a CVBS and S-Video to USB adaptor from Ebay for under a tenner. > Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. > It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The > picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. > with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. > It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic > driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said > Win10 on it. > All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for > them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 1 08:04:18 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 14:04:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Plumbers Mate In-Reply-To: <603b726f.1c69fb81.a78f7.1e99@mx.google.com> References: <603b726f.1c69fb81.a78f7.1e99@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <603cf462.1c69fb81.59cb5.665a@mx.google.com> Another tale from ?Plumbers?. The hero?s girlfriend had to hop on to the back of his motorbike. After the shot, the cameraman said he thought he caught a flash of knickers ? she giggled and said she wasn?t wearing any! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: patheigham Sent: 28 February 2021 10:37 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: dave.mdv; Alan Taylor Subject: RE: [Tech1] Plumbers Mate It was actually ?Adventures of...? and was an amusing little film to work on. Made by two brothers ? one produced and the other directed. We shot all around Streatham and come tea break time, their Mum & Dad would turn up with the tea urn and sticky buns in the boot of their BMW! Just a 2-man sound crew, yes, lovely to have had a Fisher boom, but the difficulty there would be transporting the thing. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 of a reproduced stage act. Sent: 27 February 2021 20:24 To: Bernard Newnham via Tech1; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: dave.mdv Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! 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Worse than that is when the boys look like they?ve had lipstick applied to make them even more angelic, or women in bed still wearing makeup and looking perfect when they wake in the morning, when normally they would?ve cleaned it all off before going to bed, if for no other reason than not having it wipe off on the linen. And please tell us how you covered the forty piece marching penguin brass band, did you use a boom to follow them in, like I think they did with the Salvation Army band on the Christmas Blue Peters? Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 01 March 2021 08:14 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Substitute boom ops. Was (no subject) Dismaying as it might be to be told that your boom op is going to be the runner, there are a couple of other bits of news which make my heart sink even faster. One is that ... the role of the shop assistant will be played by the director?s partner / wife. This so often means that an attractive but not very talented actress will be given the part. The ones to worry about are those who only have worked on productions directed by him. The only worse thing than being told them being an item is not knowing they are an item and saying to the director how useless that actress is ( which nearly happened on a big series I worked on, but the fist assistant spotted it about to happen and tactfully intervened ). The other one is more of a varian than a separate category ... The three year old child in this story will be played by the producer?s granddaughter. Not only do you end up with a less photogenic child than you would have got from an agency, but they come with a chaperone who is the daughter of the producer. Then there is that perennial favourite of telling you something significant at the last moment. On live inserts for Swap Shop, I was told ?Oh by the way, did I tell you about the penguin marching band??. It turned out that a forty piece marching brass band dressed as penguins would be taking part in the show. More than half an hours notice during a live transmission would have been a nice touch. Alan Taylor On 28 Feb 2021, at 11:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: ? ? ?Couldn?t agree more. An undervalued and underestimated skill indeed. The more so, pole operating, because there?s no counterbalance weight, it?s not length-adjustable while in use, and you?re at floor level potentially in everybody?s way. If the boom op doesn?t do a good job there?s nothing the Sound Mixer or Post can do to make it any better! I lost count a long time ago of how many times I?ve heard the deeply offensive statement: ?Do we really need a boom operator? The runner (or spark) can hold the pole.? - They think that?s all there is to it! Did you ever see this animated example of how little regard or understanding Production have for the Sound department? You?ve heard of text-to-speech, even speech-to-text, but how about text-to-pictures, as here?: Youtube search: ? Sound Mixer Hell ? - it?s a classic. (I would show the url, but it doesn?t seem to work this side of the pond maybe). Sound Mixer Hell does. Now let?s all go out and enjoy the sunshine - suitably distanced, of course. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Feb 2021, at 08:26, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: ? Nothing demeaning about a talented boom op using a fish pole. I did a film of Fiona Shaw performing a one woman version of The Wasteland. During the planning meeting it became obvious that it was going to be very difficult to get decent sound coverage. One of the biggest challenges was a very lengthy tracking shot with multiple overhead obstructions. It would use an entire 400 foot roll of film, which runs for 11 minutes. Obviously nobody wants to risk screwing up and causing a retake. I told the producer that freelance boom op Dave Sutton was the guy I needed if shots such as that were being attempted. I warned them he was not cheap, but was worth it. I also phoned Dave and suggested that he didn?t budge on his rate because I had told production that we absolutely had to have him. As things turned out, Dave managed to negotiate a slightly higher daily rate than I was charging, which was absolutely fine by me. The sequence itself was shot without using a clapper board and if there was still any film still running in the camera at the end, an upside down clapper board would be rushed in. On a couple of takes the film did run out just before the end of the performance, but we did get a few good takes too. Shooting on film with an electronic viewfinder, there is a visible safe area above the marked frame. It was incredible to see how Dave kept the tip of the microphone visible in the safe area but never in shot, this was while walking along and avoiding lamp stands, overhead lighting and multiple obstructions built by the art dept. No shadows in shot either, despite complex lighting which wasn?t at all sound-friendly. It was all done with a five metre pole extended to about three quarters, so it was physically demanding too. The finished film got shown at Cannes and when Variety reviewed it, they specifically praised the sound, but Dave Sutton was the one who really made the difference. Alan Taylor On 27 Feb 2021, at 20:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: ? Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 1 09:58:44 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:58:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Substitute boom ops. In-Reply-To: <006101d70eaa$a596ed80$f0c4c880$@gmail.com> References: <006101d70eaa$a596ed80$f0c4c880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9BBCBFE2-84F4-4C12-A4A2-8BD07D99FB5A@me.com> Addressing your points in the order raised .... There are a lot of excellent boom operators, but I knew from previous experience that Dave Sutton was quite exceptional. It was a combination of understanding what other departments were trying to achieve, perfect memory for dialogue and complex moves, physical endurance, and above all the right sort of temperament. Confident enough to stand his corner when it matters but friendly towards all the actors and crew. I?ve done a lot of children?s drama and have worked with loads of child actors. For the most part, I?m not too impressed with the ones who emerge from the famous stage schools. Amongst the best I?ve ever worked with were the kids who played the main characters in Box of Delights. They had no previous stage or screen experience ( as far as I was aware of ), but were good actors and very well behaved on set and behind the scenes too. Child actors also come with tutor / chaperones and during school holidays, the parents sometimes act as chaperones as there is no need for tutoring. There was a kid?s drama where mum was chaperoning a 14 yr old boy who was quite badly behaved, but if anybody got annoyed with him, she would come out guns blazing, defending her son, irrespective of what he did. The one that stuck with me was a children?s drama I did as a freelancer. The lead girl was OK, but not overly likeable at first, but she sort of grew on you. However things all changed during the wrap party ( not in the way you might be imagining ). Her mother turned up for the wrap party, dressed to kill. When it was getting quite late, daughter was looking everywhere for mum and by a process of elimination deduced that she must be in a cubicle in the gent?s loos, having an intimate liaison with the director. Daughter marched in, sussed out exactly what was happening and with her hands on her hips yelled at the top of her voice ?Mum ?? you slag ?? you?re always showing me up doing stuff like that?. As for the penguin marching band. The problem is that you plan for the show they told you about at the planning meeting. When you?re expecting to cover various ?B? list celebs turning up to do 1+2 interviews and a bit of crowd reaction, you don?t bring much other gear along and the few gun mics we had were either on cameras or fixed to scaffolding. The only way to cover it with what we had available was to take a couple of gun mics down from the scaffolding, replace them with non-directional mics so that at least we retained some effects coverage and then used those gun mics hand panned. If I remember correctly, one of the riggers panned one of them, which is sort of relevant to this topic. There is a trap for the unwary when covering marching bands outside, it?s all to do with the speed of sound. If the band spreads out in a long column, there is a noticeable time difference between those at the front and those at the back ( sound travels about 40 feet in 1 ms, which is equivalent to one video frame ). If a band marches past, turns around and marches back again while still playing, you need to be quite careful about exactly when you cross fade from one microphone to another if those mics are well spaced, otherwise you hear a double strike of the drums, or a truncated interval within one bar. If you just leave two mics up, you are likely to get a hard echo. Fortunately most of us on OBs would have encountered that before with military bands and would be prepared for it. Alan Taylor > On 1 Mar 2021, at 14:54, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi Alan, > I can sympathise with the concerns you had with being told to use unskilled operators, especially after the story about with the fishing rod operator you employed who made such a good job of the long track in. There is no substitute for training and experience, is there? > > As to child actors, my dislike is the ones who are so perfectly formed, scrubbed and groomed that they don?t look like the ordinary ones I know and love to see in real life. Worse than that is when the boys look like they?ve had lipstick applied to make them even more angelic, or women in bed still wearing makeup and looking perfect when they wake in the morning, when normally they would?ve cleaned it all off before going to bed, if for no other reason than not having it wipe off on the linen. > > And please tell us how you covered the forty piece marching penguin brass band, did you use a boom to follow them in, like I think they did with the Salvation Army band on the Christmas Blue Peters? > > Geoff > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 01 March 2021 08:14 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Substitute boom ops. Was (no subject) > > Dismaying as it might be to be told that your boom op is going to be the runner, there are a couple of other bits of news which make my heart sink even faster. > > One is that ... the role of the shop assistant will be played by the director?s partner / wife. This so often means that an attractive but not very talented actress will be given the part. The ones to worry about are those who only have worked on productions directed by him. The only worse thing than being told them being an item is not knowing they are an item and saying to the director how useless that actress is ( which nearly happened on a big series I worked on, but the fist assistant spotted it about to happen and tactfully intervened ). > > The other one is more of a varian than a separate category ... The three year old child in this story will be played by the producer?s granddaughter. Not only do you end up with a less photogenic child than you would have got from an agency, but they come with a chaperone who is the daughter of the producer. > > Then there is that perennial favourite of telling you something significant at the last moment. On live inserts for Swap Shop, I was told ?Oh by the way, did I tell you about the penguin marching band??. It turned out that a forty piece marching brass band dressed as penguins would be taking part in the show. More than half an hours notice during a live transmission would have been a nice touch. > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 28 Feb 2021, at 11:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ? > ?Couldn?t agree more. An undervalued and underestimated skill indeed. The more so, pole operating, because there?s no counterbalance weight, it?s not length-adjustable while in use, and you?re at floor level potentially in everybody?s way. If the boom op doesn?t do a good job there?s nothing the Sound Mixer or Post can do to make it any better! > I lost count a long time ago of how many times I?ve heard the deeply offensive statement: ?Do we really need a boom operator? The runner (or spark) can hold the pole.? - They think that?s all there is to it! > Did you ever see this animated example of how little regard or understanding Production have for the Sound department? You?ve heard of text-to-speech, even speech-to-text, but how about text-to-pictures, as here?: > Youtube search: ? Sound Mixer Hell ? - it?s a classic. (I would show the url, but it doesn?t seem to work this side of the pond maybe). Sound Mixer Hell does. > > Now let?s all go out and enjoy the sunshine - suitably distanced, of course. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 28 Feb 2021, at 08:26, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Nothing demeaning about a talented boom op using a fish pole. > > I did a film of Fiona Shaw performing a one woman version of The Wasteland. During the planning meeting it became obvious that it was going to be very difficult to get decent sound coverage. > > One of the biggest challenges was a very lengthy tracking shot with multiple overhead obstructions. It would use an entire 400 foot roll of film, which runs for 11 minutes. Obviously nobody wants to risk screwing up and causing a retake. > > I told the producer that freelance boom op Dave Sutton was the guy I needed if shots such as that were being attempted. I warned them he was not cheap, but was worth it. I also phoned Dave and suggested that he didn?t budge on his rate because I had told production that we absolutely had to have him. As things turned out, Dave managed to negotiate a slightly higher daily rate than I was charging, which was absolutely fine by me. > > The sequence itself was shot without using a clapper board and if there was still any film still running in the camera at the end, an upside down clapper board would be rushed in. On a couple of takes the film did run out just before the end of the performance, but we did get a few good takes too. > > Shooting on film with an electronic viewfinder, there is a visible safe area above the marked frame. It was incredible to see how Dave kept the tip of the microphone visible in the safe area but never in shot, this was while walking along and avoiding lamp stands, overhead lighting and multiple obstructions built by the art dept. No shadows in shot either, despite complex lighting which wasn?t at all sound-friendly. It was all done with a five metre pole extended to about three quarters, so it was physically demanding too. > > The finished film got shown at Cannes and when Variety reviewed it, they specifically praised the sound, but Dave Sutton was the one who really made the difference. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > On 27 Feb 2021, at 20:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave > > On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Mar 1 10:02:53 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 16:02:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <590666c73cdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com>, <590666c73cdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Or more likely whether they interface correctly with the USB chips on your motherboard. It?s tempting to blame the OS, but it might be innocent. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 1 Mar 2021, at 13:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?How very odd. This is the first time I've seen it on here. > > I've done some research and it seems those adaptors which look the same > can have difference chipsets. So a gamble if they work with your OS. > > Had the same problem with Serial to USB adaptors too. > From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Mar 1 18:51:27 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 00:51:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> <590666c73cdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5906a41f39davesound@btinternet.com> Think in this case it's the drivers. And Win10 makes it difficult to use other than the one it 'knows' is best. In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Or more likely whether they interface correctly with the USB chips on > your motherboard. It?s tempting to blame the OS, but it might be > innocent. Cheers, Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 1 Mar 2021, at 13:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > #How very odd. This is the first time I've seen it on here. > > > > I've done some research and it seems those adaptors which look the > > same can have difference chipsets. So a gamble if they work with your > > OS. > > > > Had the same problem with Serial to USB adaptors too. > > > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 1 23:23:58 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 05:23:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <5906a41f39davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5906a41f39davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0C893C72-E40F-47F3-BF78-3E8746ED5643@me.com> A cameraman friend of mine was impressed with Elgato?s Video Capture adaptor. It sells for about ?90 and is intended for tasks like VHS digitising. He specifically praised their tech support people who were able to offer pre sales advice about whether the device would be suitable for his particular computer setup. Not the cheapest, but not an unreasonable price for a piece of kit which does the job reliably and has proper tech support. Alan Taylor > On 2 Mar 2021, at 01:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Think in this case it's the drivers. And Win10 makes it difficult to use > other than the one it 'knows' is best. > > > In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Or more likely whether they interface correctly with the USB chips on >> your motherboard. It?s tempting to blame the OS, but it might be >> innocent. Cheers, Nick. > >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 1 Mar 2021, at 13:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> #How very odd. This is the first time I've seen it on here. >>> >>> I've done some research and it seems those adaptors which look the >>> same can have difference chipsets. So a gamble if they work with your >>> OS. >>> >>> Had the same problem with Serial to USB adaptors too. >>> >> -- > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 2 05:09:20 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 11:09:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <5906a41f39davesound@btinternet.com> References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> <590666c73cdavesound@btinternet.com> , <5906a41f39davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: A couple of months ago I bought an ION Video Forever composite + S-video USB interface, that cost ?26.99 on Amazon. It comes with a CDrom containing a USB driver and an importing app. It works into my desktop without installing their app or the USB driver, but as it has a USB1/2 connector it works only into USB1 or 2. Not into USB3 or C. On the other hand, USB3 and C devices are unlikely to work into USB1 or 2. There have been seven versions of USB over the years, 8 if you count USB4. Windows 10 includes generic drivers for all of those, and if your plug-in device identifies itself correctly, Windows will select the appropriate driver. That?s it in simple terms that I can understand, but as, for instance with HDMI, it?s a great deal more complex than that. If you (or I) buy a cheap piece of toot from China that doesn?t comply, you can?t really blame Microsoft. A third thing worth considering is whether your computer?s motherboard firmware is up to date. I was hoping we?d kicked the Win10 slagging out of court! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 2 Mar 2021, at 01:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Think in this case it's the drivers. And Win10 makes it difficult to use > other than the one it 'knows' is best. > > > In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Or more likely whether they interface correctly with the USB chips on >> your motherboard. It's tempting to blame the OS, but it might be >> innocent. Cheers, Nick. > >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 1 Mar 2021, at 13:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> #How very odd. This is the first time I've seen it on here. >>> >>> I've done some research and it seems those adaptors which look the >>> same can have difference chipsets. So a gamble if they work with your >>> OS. >>> >>> Had the same problem with Serial to USB adaptors too. >>> >> -- > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Mar 2 05:14:46 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 11:14:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <590666c73cdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> <590666c73cdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: This was the video grabber that I bought from Amazon last September, but is now listed as unavailable. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01D9T8E1U/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It was ?19.99 at the time. You might find it elsewhere. It is working OK on my Windows 10 computer. It came with a program called Honestech VHS to DVD 2.0. There is a trial version available on the internet. It might be worth giving that a try with the grabber that you have. I found that some software worked better that others at capturing. Probably only worth trying a grabber from somewhere like Amazon where you can return it if it does not work. I sent back two before I found one that works. I believe that it is updates to part of windows called "DirectX" that has caused the problem. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 1:41 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. How very odd. This is the first time I've seen it on here. I've done some research and it seems those adaptors which look the same can have difference chipsets. So a gamble if they work with your OS. Had the same problem with Serial to USB adaptors too. In article <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899 at email.android.com>, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > If you mean this one, it did post. I had the same problem, sent two back > that did not work. I finally found one on Amazon some time ago that seems > to work, but have not used properly yet. I will have a look at my old > Amazon orders and post a link. > Doug > On 27 February 2021, at 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > Came across a box of VHS tapes I'd forgotten about. Had transferred the > ones I wanted to DVD many years ago. > Do still have a working VHS player - a Panasonic S-VHS which cost and arm > on a leg years ago, so kept for sentimental reasons. ;-) And checked it > out - it still works. > I'd like to transfer some of those tapes to hard disc - I have a server > for use on the main TV. > But don't any longer have a PC with analogue video inputs. > Bought a CVBS and S-Video to USB adaptor from Ebay for under a tenner. > Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. > It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The > picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. > with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. > It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic > driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said > Win10 on it. > All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for > them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Mar 2 05:29:45 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 11:29:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> <590666c73cdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5906de902bdavesound@btinternet.com> That's the one I've got, Doug. And having the problems with. But the CD does say Win10. In article , Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > This was the video grabber that I bought from Amazon last September, but is > now listed as unavailable. > https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01D9T8E1U/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > It was ?19.99 at the time. You might find it elsewhere. It is working OK on > my Windows 10 computer. It came with a program called Honestech VHS to DVD > 2.0. There is a trial version available on the internet. It might be worth > giving that a try with the grabber that you have. I found that some software > worked better that others at capturing. Probably only worth trying a grabber > from somewhere like Amazon where you can return it if it does not work. I > sent back two before I found one that works. I believe that it is updates to > part of windows called "DirectX" that has caused the problem. > Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 1:41 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Dave Plowman > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. > How very odd. This is the first time I've seen it on here. > I've done some research and it seems those adaptors which look the same > can have difference chipsets. So a gamble if they work with your OS. > Had the same problem with Serial to USB adaptors too. > In article <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899 at email.android.com>, > Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > If you mean this one, it did post. I had the same problem, sent two back > > that did not work. I finally found one on Amazon some time ago that seems > > to work, but have not used properly yet. I will have a look at my old > > Amazon orders and post a link. > > Doug > > On 27 February 2021, at 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Came across a box of VHS tapes I'd forgotten about. Had transferred the > > ones I wanted to DVD many years ago. > > Do still have a working VHS player - a Panasonic S-VHS which cost and arm > > on a leg years ago, so kept for sentimental reasons. ;-) And checked it > > out - it still works. > > I'd like to transfer some of those tapes to hard disc - I have a server > > for use on the main TV. > > But don't any longer have a PC with analogue video inputs. > > Bought a CVBS and S-Video to USB adaptor from Ebay for under a tenner. > > Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. > > It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The > > picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. > > with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. > > It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic > > driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said > > Win10 on it. > > All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for > > them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Mar 2 08:08:27 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 14:08:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <5906de902bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <5906de902bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5906ed17d6davesound@btinternet.com> Did a bit of Googling, and Diamond OneTouch came up as pretty decent. A software package with a different design of dongle at about ?40. So decided to risk it. And it does work OK. I've got some S-VHS stuff, and was surprised how good it looked. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 2 08:47:05 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 14:47:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember? Message-ID: <603e4fe9.1c69fb81.64625.985c@mx.google.com> I see that ?Wizard of Oz? is being transmitted on Sky Cinema Musicals next week. There was a TVC Weekly Information Sheet (WIS) ? wasn?t the compiler nicknamed ?The Ozzard?? Anyone know about the financial dealings of buying films for TV? It seems that some films are run to death, being transmitted several times over weeks and months. Except that the one you missed and really wanted to see, never comes up again! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 2 09:03:39 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 15:03:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <5906ed17d6davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5906de902bdavesound@btinternet.com> <5906ed17d6davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <603e53cb.1c69fb81.551b4.a1a0@mx.google.com> What is your S-VHS playback machine, Dave? I think I mentioned that I have a Sony Studio S-VHS player, and a Panasonic multi-country VHS machine. Sadly my lovely Panasonic S-VHS 8000, bit the dust (couldn?t replace the heads anymore). My system now is, to transfer VHS to my hard-drive DVD recorder, in analogue obviously, which has the facility to edit, by creating a frame accurate dubbing list before burning a disc. For maintenance, I used to go to Stanley at Thames Ditton. The guys there bought the workshop business when Wardour Street collapsed, and they serviced my gadgets, easy to access them. Difficult, now, but there was a chap I went to at Biggin Hill, who was good. There?s a lady who can transfer most formats to others ? Lucy Woodward, but that?s a business, so there?s a charge. I don?t know if she has facilities for 2? Ampex! But she managed a ?? Shibaden for a surgeon who wanted a conversion to something he could play. Best Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 02 March 2021 14:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. Did a bit of Googling, and Diamond OneTouch came up as pretty decent. A software package with a different design of dongle at about ?40. So decided to risk it. And it does work OK. I've got some S-VHS stuff, and was surprised how good it looked. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Mar 2 10:06:24 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 16:06:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember? Message-ID: <8pqnotpeq211gje2jehtnyp8.1614701184233@email.android.com> I seem to remember that the BBC paid several million pounds in 1978 for the rights to The Sound of Music for Christmas showings. It was also shown again last Christmas and presumably many times inbetween. Value for money???? Doug On 2 March 2021, at 14:47, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I see that ?Wizard of Oz? is being transmitted on Sky Cinema Musicals next week. There was a TVC Weekly Information Sheet (WIS) ? wasn?t the compiler nicknamed ?The Ozzard?? ? Anyone know about the financial dealings of buying films for TV? It seems that some films are run to death, being transmitted several times over weeks and months. Except that the one you missed and really wanted to see, never comes up again! ? Pat H ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 2 10:23:23 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 16:23:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember? In-Reply-To: <8pqnotpeq211gje2jehtnyp8.1614701184233@email.android.com> References: <8pqnotpeq211gje2jehtnyp8.1614701184233@email.android.com> Message-ID: <603e667a.1c69fb81.2e383.7e6e@mx.google.com> ?The Hills are alive with the Sound of ?Money?? ! But are the number of showings restricted? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 Sent: 02 March 2021 16:06 To: tech1 at tech-ops co. uk Cc: Doug Puddifoot Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone remember? I seem to remember that the BBC paid several million pounds in 1978 for the rights to The Sound of Music for Christmas showings. It was also shown again last Christmas and presumably many times inbetween. Value for money???? Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sue.malden at btinternet.com Tue Mar 2 10:23:35 2021 From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (SUSAN MALDEN) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 16:23:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember? In-Reply-To: <8pqnotpeq211gje2jehtnyp8.1614701184233@email.android.com> References: <8pqnotpeq211gje2jehtnyp8.1614701184233@email.android.com> Message-ID: <6e8468be.8eee.177f3c0808b.Webtop.114@btinternet.com> I heard at the time that they had secured 25 showings Sue ------ Original Message ------ From: "Doug Puddifoot via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops co. uk" Cc: "Doug Puddifoot" Sent: Tuesday, 2 Mar, 21 At 16:06 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone remember? I seem to remember that the BBC paid several million pounds in 1978 for the rights to The Sound of Music for Christmas showings. It was also shown again last Christmas and presumably many times inbetween. Value for money???? Doug On 2 March 2021, at 14:47, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I see that ?Wizard of Oz? is being transmitted on Sky Cinema Musicals next week. There was a TVC Weekly Information Sheet (WIS) ? wasn?t the compiler nicknamed ?The Ozzard?? Anyone know about the financial dealings of buying films for TV? It seems that some films are run to death, being transmitted several times over weeks and months. Except that the one you missed and really wanted to see, never comes up again! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Mar 2 10:36:14 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 16:36:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember? In-Reply-To: <603e667a.1c69fb81.2e383.7e6e@mx.google.com> References: <8pqnotpeq211gje2jehtnyp8.1614701184233@email.android.com> <603e667a.1c69fb81.2e383.7e6e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <25804A6D-1598-4CE8-86E1-6697602D56D0@icloud.com> Depends on the age of the film and the number of members of the cast still alive to pay residuals to. ? Graeme Wall > On 2 Mar 2021, at 16:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The Hills are alive with the Sound of ?Money?? ! > But are the number of showings restricted? > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 > Sent: 02 March 2021 16:06 > To: tech1 at tech-ops co. uk > Cc: Doug Puddifoot > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone remember? > > I seem to remember that the BBC paid several million pounds in 1978 for the rights to The Sound of Music for Christmas showings. It was also shown again last Christmas and presumably many times inbetween. Value for money???? > > Doug > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 10:56:48 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 16:56:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember? In-Reply-To: <8pqnotpeq211gje2jehtnyp8.1614701184233@email.android.com> References: <8pqnotpeq211gje2jehtnyp8.1614701184233@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi, I seem to remember that it was decided that they needed to show it 9 times to get full monetary value One of my friends was a manager of a regional theatre and they had full houses when they did a singalong film showing with people dressing up as nuns and such. I remember my mother taking me to see it when it was first released, I even got the music to play on the piano. I do think is a film you either love or hate. I have seen a few times over the years but would not go out of my way to see it now but at the time to an 8 year old it was great. Sara > On 2 Mar 2021, at 16:06, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > I seem to remember that the BBC paid several million pounds in 1978 for the rights to The Sound of Music for Christmas showings. It was also shown again last Christmas and presumably many times inbetween. Value for money???? > > Doug > > > > On 2 March 2021, at 14:47, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > I see that ?Wizard of Oz? is being transmitted on Sky Cinema Musicals next week. > There was a TVC Weekly Information Sheet (WIS) ? wasn?t the compiler nicknamed ?The Ozzard?? > > Anyone know about the financial dealings of buying films for TV? > It seems that some films are run to death, being transmitted several times over weeks and months. > Except that the one you missed and really wanted to see, never comes up again! > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 2 13:22:11 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 19:22:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] VHS etc. Message-ID: <8e05c172-05d9-423a-9401-2a60c36533b2@btinternet.com> When one of my Panasonic VHS-DVD machine's failed my local brilliant Panny service centre offered me a Panasonic DMR-EX99 for about the same as the repairs to my broken one. It includes a VHS player, DVD/CD recorder/player, and a 250Gb. HDD! Beat that, Heigham! I also have a JVC S-VHS machine (HR-S6700). While working in Japan I bought several E-180 Super VHS cassettes, in the UK they run a lot longer as we are on 50Hz. mains and Japan is on 60Hz.! Cheers, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 13:55:08 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 19:55:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw From Jan Goldring Message-ID: The attached message has been automatically discarded. ForwardedMessage.eml Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone remember? From: Janis Goldring Date: 02/03/2021, 18:15 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk I used to work for the man who bought ?ENGLISH speaking feature films for tv. These were usually bought in a ?package? with a mixture of blockbusters, and A and B movies ranging from U category up to adult ones. The movies are bought for ?x with either unlimited or a defined number of transmissions over a number of years so they need to be played a certain number of times to get your money?s worth. The decision of when the transmissions are scheduled depend on many factors - time of year ( ie.Christmas, Easter etc) the subject matter and also, the running length of time of the movie as Programme Planning would often ask for a movie of 95 minutes for a certain slot for example. I hope this explanation helps. ?Janis Goldring. Sent from my iPad > On 2 Mar 2021, at 14:47, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > ? I see that ?Wizard of Oz? is being transmitted on Sky Cinema Musicals next week. There was a TVC Weekly Information Sheet (WIS) ? wasn?t the compiler nicknamed ?The Ozzard?? Anyone know about the financial dealings of buying films for TV? It seems that some films are run to death, being transmitted several times over weeks and months. Except that the one you missed and really wanted to see, never comes up again! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 13:55:55 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 19:55:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW From Jan Goldring Message-ID: <0df67fdd-3f6b-6a4d-03cf-88711a7d16b3@gmail.com> The attached message has been automatically discarded. ForwardedMessage.eml Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone remember? From: Janis Goldring Date: 02/03/2021, 18:39 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Well Doug ?- showing a film like that several times reduces the cost per transmission - as I said, some films are charged at a much higher price by the film companies so to get value for money, they have to be shown several times and obviously Christmas time is a suitable time of year for a film like this. Sent from my iPad > On 2 Mar 2021, at 16:06, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 > wrote: > ? I seem to remember that the BBC paid several million pounds in 1978 for the rights to The Sound of Music for Christmas showings. It was also shown again last Christmas and presumably many times inbetween. Value for money???? Doug On 2 March 2021, at 14:47, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I see that ?Wizard of Oz? is being transmitted on Sky Cinema Musicals next week. There was a TVC Weekly Information Sheet (WIS) ? wasn?t the compiler nicknamed ?The Ozzard?? Anyone know about the financial dealings of buying films for TV? It seems that some films are run to death, being transmitted several times over weeks and months. Except that the one you missed and really wanted to see, never comes up again! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. B On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! > > Mike G? > https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doohaejmfgicflhp.png Type: image/png Size: 308554 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: kkdfbgnbpipcpgmj.png Type: image/png Size: 335459 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Most of the symbols were bomb shaped in various styles and the number of them indicated how heavily a particular place was bombed. However there was a mystery symbol shown in many places on that map, including one on my village. There was no key on the map explaining what the symbols represented, so I wonder of we have anybody in the group who knows what this symbol might represent? This area wasn?t targeted much. The most significant local target was the Aluminium recycling factory where saucepans were melted down to make spitfires. It was the only factory of its type in Britain ( and the machinery was installed in the mid 1930s by German specialists who presumably told their superiors exactly where it was ). It was fairly well defended and a wooden decoy factory was built a few miles away at a point where the railway and canal look similar from the air, but both sites were spared significant bombing raids. Most bombing in this area targeted the various airfields which had been built. But I?m mystified about what that tapered symbol represents. Alan Taylor > On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb was top right. > > > > > I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone has to blow something up, even you". > > > > > At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. > > Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. > > > > > B > > > > > On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! >> >> Mike G? >> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Wed Mar 3 04:33:40 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:33:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: References: <36F06BF3-0D8C-4633-932D-82BD57542F39@mac.com> Message-ID: The only time I ever worked with some ammunitions, I was unfortunate to be travelling through Heathrow the next day with the same camera assistant that had been with me on the army base. I went through security and scanning etc with no issues (even with the camera etc) but was suddenly aware of a big police presence surrounding the adjoining checking area. Sure enough it was my poor assistant with his trusty Billingham bag and they obviously didn?t like what they found when they had ?swabbed? it!! Luckily with yesterday?s call sheet in my backpack and some understanding officials, we put their mind at rest that we had indeed been near explosives but for a legitimate reason. Took a few swift ones at the bar to calm him back down though. I often reminded him of the need to be nice to me after that as I could have just walked away!!!! Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:49, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb was top right. > > > > I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone has to blow something up, even you". > > > > At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. > > Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. > > > > B > > > > > On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! >> >> Mike G? >> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: anvc-logo-mail-small.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14651 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Mar 3 04:33:50 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:33:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> References: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> Message-ID: <61D9AA8C-720E-496D-AB23-4E05B14DF58D@mac.com> Could it be a searchlight? Mike G > On 3 Mar 2021, at 10:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I was amused by newspaper reports referring to it as a ?suspected WW2 bomb?. > > Now I?m not especially qualified with regards to munitions from that era, but judging by the pictures of it, the cylindrical shape - pointed at one end with fins at the other, the fact it was in an area targeted during the war and the enormous bang it made when blown up, at no point did I suspect that it might have been anything other than a WW2 bomb. Just wondering what else the experts suspected it might have been if not a bomb? > > However, talking of WW2 bombing, I came across a 1940s map showing bombing raids in the Banbury area. Most of the symbols were bomb shaped in various styles and the number of them indicated how heavily a particular place was bombed. However there was a mystery symbol shown in many places on that map, including one on my village. There was no key on the map explaining what the symbols represented, so I wonder of we have anybody in the group who knows what this symbol might represent? > > > > This area wasn?t targeted much. The most significant local target was the Aluminium recycling factory where saucepans were melted down to make spitfires. It was the only factory of its type in Britain ( and the machinery was installed in the mid 1930s by German specialists who presumably told their superiors exactly where it was ). It was fairly well defended and a wooden decoy factory was built a few miles away at a point where the railway and canal look similar from the air, but both sites were spared significant bombing raids. Most bombing in this area targeted the various airfields which had been built. But I?m mystified about what that tapered symbol represents. > > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb was top right. >> >> >> >> >> I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone has to blow something up, even you". >> >> >> >> >> At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. >> >> Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. >> >> >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! >>> >>> Mike G? >>> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Mar 3 04:43:35 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 10:43:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> References: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> Message-ID: Incendary bomb maybe - the butterfly type. Geoff F On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 at 10:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I was amused by newspaper reports referring to it as a ?suspected WW2 > bomb?. > > Now I?m not especially qualified with regards to munitions from that era, > but judging by the pictures of it, the cylindrical shape - pointed at one > end with fins at the other, the fact it was in an area targeted during the > war and the enormous bang it made when blown up, at no point did I suspect > that it might have been anything other than a WW2 bomb. Just wondering > what else the experts suspected it might have been if not a bomb? > > However, talking of WW2 bombing, I came across a 1940s map showing bombing > raids in the Banbury area. Most of the symbols were bomb shaped in various > styles and the number of them indicated how heavily a particular place was > bombed. However there was a mystery symbol shown in many places on that > map, including one on my village. There was no key on the map explaining > what the symbols represented, so I wonder of we have anybody in the group > who knows what this symbol might represent? > > > > This area wasn?t targeted much. The most significant local target was the > Aluminium recycling factory where saucepans were melted down to make > spitfires. It was the only factory of its type in Britain ( and the > machinery was installed in the mid 1930s by German specialists who > presumably told their superiors exactly where it was ). It was fairly well > defended and a wooden decoy factory was built a few miles away at a point > where the railway and canal look similar from the air, but both sites were > spared significant bombing raids. Most bombing in this area targeted the > various airfields which had been built. But I?m mystified about what that > tapered symbol represents. > > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son > spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb > was top right. > > > > > I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than > most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone > has to blow something up, even you". > > > > > At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with > four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow > some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. > > Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive > rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe > they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. > > > > > B > > > > > On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! > > Mike G? > > https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Mar 3 05:08:41 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:08:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <603e53cb.1c69fb81.551b4.a1a0@mx.google.com> References: <5906de902bdavesound@btinternet.com> <5906ed17d6davesound@btinternet.com> <603e53cb.1c69fb81.551b4.a1a0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5907607716davesound@btinternet.com> It's a Panasonic NV-FS1B - their flagship S-VHS when it came out. Has a NICAM tuner too. At the time Thames were buying a lot of MII machines from Panny, so got a very good price by buying through Thames. But had quite a wait for it, as Thames were slow in paying their bills. ;-) But I had to pay Thames for it on ordering. The only thing it lacks is NTSC playback. In article <603e53cb.1c69fb81.551b4.a1a0 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > What is your S-VHS playback machine, Dave? > I think I mentioned that I have a Sony Studio S-VHS player, and a Panasonic multi-country VHS machine. Sadly my lovely Panasonic S-VHS 8000, bit the dust (couldn?t replace the heads anymore). -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Mar 3 05:20:30 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 11:20:30 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> References: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> Message-ID: Parachute landmine, perhaps. Torpedoes dropped over land in the last months of 1940 and into 1941. One of them killed Al Bowlly. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 10:21 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable I was amused by newspaper reports referring to it as a ?suspected WW2 bomb?. Now I?m not especially qualified with regards to munitions from that era, but judging by the pictures of it, the cylindrical shape - pointed at one end with fins at the other, the fact it was in an area targeted during the war and the enormous bang it made when blown up, at no point did I suspect that it might have been anything other than a WW2 bomb. Just wondering what else the experts suspected it might have been if not a bomb? However, talking of WW2 bombing, I came across a 1940s map showing bombing raids in the Banbury area. Most of the symbols were bomb shaped in various styles and the number of them indicated how heavily a particular place was bombed. However there was a mystery symbol shown in many places on that map, including one on my village. There was no key on the map explaining what the symbols represented, so I wonder of we have anybody in the group who knows what this symbol might represent? This area wasn?t targeted much. The most significant local target was the Aluminium recycling factory where saucepans were melted down to make spitfires. It was the only factory of its type in Britain ( and the machinery was installed in the mid 1930s by German specialists who presumably told their superiors exactly where it was ). It was fairly well defended and a wooden decoy factory was built a few miles away at a point where the railway and canal look similar from the air, but both sites were spared significant bombing raids. Most bombing in this area targeted the various airfields which had been built. But I?m mystified about what that tapered symbol represents. Alan Taylor On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb was top right. I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone has to blow something up, even you". At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. B On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! Mike G? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Mar 3 05:26:36 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 11:26:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: References: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> Message-ID: Yes David - that is probably more likely than my suggestion. Geoff F On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 at 11:21, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > Parachute landmine, perhaps. Torpedoes dropped over land in the last > months of 1940 and into 1941. One of them killed Al Bowlly. > > > > *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2021 10:21 AM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc:* Alan Taylor > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] The inevitable > > I was amused by newspaper reports referring to it as a ?suspected WW2 > bomb?. > > Now I?m not especially qualified with regards to munitions from that era, > but judging by the pictures of it, the cylindrical shape - pointed at one > end with fins at the other, the fact it was in an area targeted during the > war and the enormous bang it made when blown up, at no point did I suspect > that it might have been anything other than a WW2 bomb. Just wondering > what else the experts suspected it might have been if not a bomb? > > However, talking of WW2 bombing, I came across a 1940s map showing bombing > raids in the Banbury area. Most of the symbols were bomb shaped in various > styles and the number of them indicated how heavily a particular place was > bombed. However there was a mystery symbol shown in many places on that > map, including one on my village. There was no key on the map explaining > what the symbols represented, so I wonder of we have anybody in the group > who knows what this symbol might represent? > > > > This area wasn?t targeted much. The most significant local target was the > Aluminium recycling factory where saucepans were melted down to make > spitfires. It was the only factory of its type in Britain ( and the > machinery was installed in the mid 1930s by German specialists who > presumably told their superiors exactly where it was ). It was fairly well > defended and a wooden decoy factory was built a few miles away at a point > where the railway and canal look similar from the air, but both sites were > spared significant bombing raids. Most bombing in this area targeted the > various airfields which had been built. But I?m mystified about what that > tapered symbol represents. > > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son > spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb > was top right. > > > > > I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than > most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone > has to blow something up, even you". > > > > > At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with > four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow > some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. > > Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive > rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe > they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. > > > > > B > > > > > On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! > > Mike G? > > https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 3 05:31:31 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 11:31:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: References: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> Message-ID: <875BDB97-797F-4BE5-86D0-2E648D4A6AAB@me.com> I would have expected a symbol looking more like a parachute for that. I didn't keep a copy of the full map with all the other symbols, but they were all pictorial representations of the various types of bombs. I assumed that there was a standard way of recording them and that maps of dropped bombs were kept throughout the country, possibly done by the Home Guard people. Whatever it was, it didn't explode. I asked some people who lived in the village throughout the war and they don't recall anything falling and certainly would remember if something exploded. They don't recall bomb disposal chaps defusing anything either. My uninformed guess is that it might have been some sort of marker, dropped to judge wind direction and strength, but I've no idea if that was how they operated. Alan Taylor On 3 Mar 2021, at 3 Mar . 11:20, David Brunt wrote: > Parachute landmine, perhaps. Torpedoes dropped over land in the last months of 1940 and into 1941. One of them killed Al Bowlly. > > > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 10:21 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable > > I was amused by newspaper reports referring to it as a ?suspected WW2 bomb?. > > Now I?m not especially qualified with regards to munitions from that era, but judging by the pictures of it, the cylindrical shape - pointed at one end with fins at the other, the fact it was in an area targeted during the war and the enormous bang it made when blown up, at no point did I suspect that it might have been anything other than a WW2 bomb. Just wondering what else the experts suspected it might have been if not a bomb? > > However, talking of WW2 bombing, I came across a 1940s map showing bombing raids in the Banbury area. Most of the symbols were bomb shaped in various styles and the number of them indicated how heavily a particular place was bombed. However there was a mystery symbol shown in many places on that map, including one on my village. There was no key on the map explaining what the symbols represented, so I wonder of we have anybody in the group who knows what this symbol might represent? > > > > This area wasn?t targeted much. The most significant local target was the Aluminium recycling factory where saucepans were melted down to make spitfires. It was the only factory of its type in Britain ( and the machinery was installed in the mid 1930s by German specialists who presumably told their superiors exactly where it was ). It was fairly well defended and a wooden decoy factory was built a few miles away at a point where the railway and canal look similar from the air, but both sites were spared significant bombing raids. Most bombing in this area targeted the various airfields which had been built. But I?m mystified about what that tapered symbol represents. > > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb was top right. >> >> >> >> >> I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone has to blow something up, even you". >> >> >> >> >> At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. >> >> Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. >> >> >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! >>> >>> Mike G? >>> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Mar 3 06:21:45 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:21:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> References: <204F461F-D03E-4A38-A582-3AA32876DFEA@me.com> Message-ID: I think ?suspected WW2 bomb? is media-speak designed not to scare the public. The report I read said that it was of a type likely to contain a booby-trap trigger device that would set the thing off if they tried to drill or cut into it, or otherwise defuse it. And, there was every possibility that the ?suspected? bomb might be unstable, and not moveable to a safe place for disposal. Which only left one option! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 3 Mar 2021, at 10:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I was amused by newspaper reports referring to it as a ?suspected WW2 bomb?. > > Now I?m not especially qualified with regards to munitions from that era, but judging by the pictures of it, the cylindrical shape - pointed at one end with fins at the other, the fact it was in an area targeted during the war and the enormous bang it made when blown up, at no point did I suspect that it might have been anything other than a WW2 bomb. Just wondering what else the experts suspected it might have been if not a bomb? From dudley.darby at gmail.com Wed Mar 3 09:20:53 2021 From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:20:53 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable Message-ID: <6FF59FA2BD824991A828E5A779FC2762@DarbydPC1> Hi Alan I've seen these on a bombing map before, haven't a definitive answer, but the site we were researching showing a similar symbol was attacked with incendiaries. It would sort of make sense with there being an aluminium recycling plant, magnesium incendiaries creating temperatures way above that required to set aluminium burning. Dudley Darby -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are only here part time, having a large house in Cowes, and another also on the IOW, which they don?t use because it?s a shrine to her mother. They have ?staff? who cut the grass and polish the silver at whichever ones they?re not at! He?s one of those people I would dearly love to spend time chatting to, but sadly he?s not up to it now. She was a head teacher for seversl decades at a posh girls? school. Another useless fact about them is that they have three sports cars that never get used because neither of them can get into them. Looking at them, neither should be allowed on the roads anyway. So, it seems there?s money in missiles and posh girls? schools if anyone?s interested. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:36, Peter Hider via Tech1 wrote: ? I was making a tv series called 'Echo Beach' for ITV at the Longcross Studios near Chobham which was formerley an army testing site for, among other things, transport, lasers and gyro systems. When it was made over to civilian use the army did a final sweep for munitions and the all-clear given. As the site was being developed as film studios the Site Manager was called out urgently by one of his ground staff to look at a tarpaulin covered mound which had pointy bits sticking out. The Bomb Disposal squad were called and confirmed that there were three armed Exocet missiles. The Sargeant in charge immediately took out his phone and asked for the M3 to be closed, trains to be diverted and Heathrow to change their flight paths. The controlled explosion that followed could be felt for miles. He said if one had gone off it could have reached Guildford. At the height of the 'troubles' Grandstand was on the air in G at Lime Grove. Brian Cowgill was in full flow such that when a very respectful member of the Corps of Commissionaires slid in to the gallery nobody took any notice for some time. Finally the TM2 noticed him and asked what he wanted. He said there had been a bomb warning and that the studio should be evacuated. Ginger's ears pricked up at this point and turned to asked what time it was going off. The Commissionaire looked at his watch and his piece of notepaper and sheepishly said "Oh I'm sorry it seems I've waited so long we've missed it." Ginger went back to firing and shouting at P.A.s I have to add that I was not present for either of these events so can't vouch for their veracity but I've been told about them by different people. Peter Hider Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 at 10:33 AM From: "Graham Maunder via Tech1" To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: "Graham Maunder" Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable The only time I ever worked with some ammunitions, I was unfortunate to be travelling through Heathrow the next day with the same camera assistant that had been with me on the army base. I went through security and scanning etc with no issues (even with the camera etc) but was suddenly aware of a big police presence surrounding the adjoining checking area. Sure enough it was my poor assistant with his trusty Billingham bag and they obviously didn?t like what they found when they had ?swabbed? it!! Luckily with yesterday?s call sheet in my backpack and some understanding officials, we put their mind at rest that we had indeed been near explosives but for a legitimate reason. Took a few swift ones at the bar to calm him back down though. I often reminded him of the need to be nice to me after that as I could have just walked away!!!! Graham Maunder [cid:005F6AF7-C229-45E0-840B-8237F7F0CFA3]Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:49, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb was top right. I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone has to blow something up, even you". At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. B On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! 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Name: mime-attachment.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14651 bytes Desc: mime-attachment.jpg URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Mar 3 11:23:34 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 17:23:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: References: <36F06BF3-0D8C-4633-932D-82BD57542F39@mac.com> Message-ID: <1699159F-37FD-4D3B-8D3F-306F9541FE87@btinternet.com> When filming Monocled Mutineer on the Somerset levels, Spec FX has explosive charges a plenty left over from the trench scenes. They piled them together in various thunder pots and let rip. I had placed spot Sennheiser MD 441s quite close for the bang It was enormous, the whole peat surface formed a wave and shook violently FX still had some short ends and were rigging a final blast when a irate Farmer screamed up in his Landy and told us in no uncertain term to desist. He was milking in his parlour some 2 miles away and the dairy herd had gone berserk. One of my 441s went missing , 6 months later Design returned it, when they were clearing the site, it still worked perfectly. In Belfast filming a Man Alive story on the Falls we were staying in the Europa and had the inevitable bomb warning, the camera man Tony Pierce Roberts and I decamped to the convenient pub across the road all Brass and Mahogany Tony was straight out of the shower dressed only in a towel.. We had a fun night. There was a controlled explosion and we returned to our rooms @ 2 am. They had all been burgled in our absence. Roger I enjoyed recording machine guns from Bapty The Lewis gun in particular firing wooden blanks, a tremendous bark The Vickers and the Hun MG not quite as terrifying, but they were firing wadding blanks. > On 3 Mar 2021, at 16:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > My next door neighbour used to design Exocet and other missiles, his wife tells me. He?s 88 now, with advanced Parkinsons, triple heart valve replacements, deaf, Altzheimer?s and it seems just about every ailment going (apart from Covid). They are only here part time, having a large house in Cowes, and another also on the IOW, which they don?t use because it?s a shrine to her mother. They have ?staff? who cut the grass and polish the silver at whichever ones they?re not at! He?s one of those people I would dearly love to spend time chatting to, but sadly he?s not up to it now. She was a head teacher for seversl decades at a posh girls? school. Another useless fact about them is that they have three sports cars that never get used because neither of them can get into them. Looking at them, neither should be allowed on the roads anyway. > So, it seems there?s money in missiles and posh girls? schools if anyone?s interested. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:36, Peter Hider via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> I was making a tv series called 'Echo Beach' for ITV at the Longcross Studios near Chobham which was formerley an army testing site for, among other things, transport, lasers and gyro systems. When it was made over to civilian use the army did a final sweep for munitions and the all-clear given. As the site was being developed as film studios the Site Manager was called out urgently by one of his ground staff to look at a tarpaulin covered mound which had pointy bits sticking out. The Bomb Disposal squad were called and confirmed that there were three armed Exocet missiles. The Sargeant in charge immediately took out his phone and asked for the M3 to be closed, trains to be diverted and Heathrow to change their flight paths. The controlled explosion that followed could be felt for miles. He said if one had gone off it could have reached Guildford. >> >> At the height of the 'troubles' Grandstand was on the air in G at Lime Grove. Brian Cowgill was in full flow such that when a very respectful member of the Corps of Commissionaires slid in to the gallery nobody took any notice for some time. Finally the TM2 noticed him and asked what he wanted. He said there had been a bomb warning and that the studio should be evacuated. Ginger's ears pricked up at this point and turned to asked what time it was going off. The Commissionaire looked at his watch and his piece of notepaper and sheepishly said "Oh I'm sorry it seems I've waited so long we've missed it." Ginger went back to firing and shouting at P.A.s >> >> I have to add that I was not present for either of these events so can't vouch for their veracity but I've been told about them by different people. >> >> Peter Hider >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 at 10:33 AM >> From: "Graham Maunder via Tech1" >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Cc: "Graham Maunder" >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable >> The only time I ever worked with some ammunitions, I was unfortunate to be travelling through Heathrow the next day with the same camera assistant that had been with me on the army base. >> >> I went through security and scanning etc with no issues (even with the camera etc) but was suddenly aware of a big police presence surrounding the adjoining checking area. >> >> Sure enough it was my poor assistant with his trusty Billingham bag and they obviously didn?t like what they found when they had ?swabbed? it!! >> >> Luckily with yesterday?s call sheet in my backpack and some understanding officials, we put their mind at rest that we had indeed been near explosives but for a legitimate reason. >> >> Took a few swift ones at the bar to calm him back down though. >> >> I often reminded him of the need to be nice to me after that as I could have just walked away!!!! >> >> Graham Maunder >> Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA >> Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv >> >> On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:49, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb was top right. >> >> >> >> I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone has to blow something up, even you". >> >> >> >> At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow some stuff up. Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment. >> >> Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness. >> >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen! >> >> Mike G? >> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 3 13:42:47 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 19:42:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: References: <36F06BF3-0D8C-4633-932D-82BD57542F39@mac.com> Message-ID: <603fe6b6.1c69fb81.970b6.a376@mx.google.com> This was precisely the scenario that passed through my mind when travelling through Munich airport at the time of a G8 conference. The Betacam was whisked off for swabbing and I wondered if it had maybe previously been used on a shoot in a quarry where explosives had been employed. It came back clean, thankfully. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Maunder via Tech1 Sent: 03 March 2021 10:33 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Graham Maunder Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable The only time I ever worked with some ammunitions, I was unfortunate to be travelling through Heathrow the next day with the same camera assistant that had been with me on the army base. I went through security and scanning etc with no issues (even with the camera etc) but was suddenly aware of a big police presence surrounding the adjoining checking area. Sure enough it was my poor assistant with his trusty Billingham bag and they obviously didn?t like what they found when they had ?swabbed? it!! Luckily with yesterday?s call sheet in my backpack and some understanding officials, we put their mind at rest that we had indeed been near explosives but for a legitimate reason. Took a few swift ones at the bar to calm him back down though. I often reminded him of the need to be nice to me after that as I could have just walked away!!!! Graham Maunder -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Mar 3 14:09:49 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2021 20:09:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <1699159F-37FD-4D3B-8D3F-306F9541FE87@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Puts me in mind of when Special Defects were going to blow up the Cybermans' spaceship on Dr Who. The EM ( Ian Dow?) stepped out of the scanner to discover them pouring petrol into bin bags right next the scanner power input! Needless to say, he was not happy...Mind you, it looked impressive when they set it off, but the sound was very disappointing.?John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Date: 03/03/2021 17:25 (GMT+00:00) To: "," Cc: Roger E Long Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable When filming Monocled Mutineer on the Somerset levels, Spec FX has explosive charges a plenty left over from the trench scenes.They piled them together in various thunder pots and let rip.I had placed spot Sennheiser MD 441s quite close for the bangIt was enormous, the whole peat surface formed a wave and shook violentlyFX still had some short ends and were rigging a final blast when a irate Farmer screamed up in his Landy and told us in no uncertain term to desist.He was milking in his parlour some 2 miles away and the dairy herd had gone berserk.One of my 441s went missing , 6 months later Design returned it, when they were clearing the site, it still worked perfectly.In Belfast filming a Man Alive story on the Falls we were staying in the Europa and had the inevitable bomb warning, the camera man Tony Pierce Roberts and I decamped to the convenient pub across the road all Brass and MahoganyTony was straight out of the shower dressed only in a towel..We had a fun night.There was a controlled explosion and we returned to our rooms @ 2 am.They had all been burgled in our absence.RogerI enjoyed recording machine guns from BaptyThe Lewis gun in particular firing wooden blanks, a tremendous barkThe Vickers and the Hun MG not quite as terrifying, but they were firing ?wadding blanks.On 3 Mar 2021, at 16:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:My next door neighbour used to design Exocet and other missiles, his wife tells me. He?s 88 now, with advanced Parkinsons, triple heart valve replacements, deaf, Altzheimer?s and it seems just about every ailment going (apart from Covid). They are only here part time, having a large house in Cowes, and another also on the IOW, which they don?t use because it?s a shrine to her mother. They have ?staff? who cut the grass and polish the silver at whichever ones they?re not at! He?s one of those people I would dearly love to spend time chatting to, but sadly he?s not up to it now. She was a head teacher for seversl decades at a posh girls? school. Another useless fact about them is that they have three sports cars that never get used because neither of them can get into them. Looking at them, neither should be allowed on the roads anyway.So, it seems there?s money in missiles and posh girls? schools if anyone?s interested.Cheers,Nick.Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:36, Peter Hider via Tech1 wrote:?I was making a tv?series called 'Echo Beach' for ITV at the Longcross Studios near Chobham which was formerley?an army testing site for, among other things, transport,?lasers and gyro systems. When it was made over to civilian use the army did a final sweep for munitions and the all-clear given. As?the site was being developed as?film studios?the Site Manager was called out urgently by one of his ground staff to look at a tarpaulin covered mound which had pointy bits sticking out. The Bomb Disposal squad were called and confirmed that?there were three?armed?Exocet missiles. The Sargeant in charge?immediately took out his phone and asked for the M3?to be closed, trains to be diverted and Heathrow to change their flight paths. The controlled explosion that followed could be felt for miles. He said if one had gone off it could have reached Guildford.?At the height of the 'troubles' Grandstand?was on the air?in G at Lime Grove. Brian Cowgill was in full flow such that when a very respectful member of the Corps of Commissionaires slid in to the gallery nobody took any notice for some time. Finally the TM2 noticed him and asked what he wanted. He said there had been?a bomb warning and that the studio should be evacuated. Ginger's ears pricked up at this point and turned to asked what time it was going off. The Commissionaire looked at his watch and his piece of notepaper and sheepishly said "Oh I'm sorry it seems I've waited so long we've missed it." Ginger went back to firing and shouting at P.A.s?I have to add that I was not present for either of these events so can't vouch for their veracity but I've been told about them by?different people.?Peter Hider??Sent:?Wednesday, March 03, 2021 at 10:33 AMFrom:?"Graham Maunder via Tech1" To:?tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukCc:?"Graham Maunder" Subject:?Re: [Tech1] The inevitableThe only time I ever worked with some ammunitions, I was unfortunate to be travelling through Heathrow the next day with the same camera assistant that had been with me on the army base.?I went through security and scanning etc with no issues (even with the camera etc) but was suddenly aware of a big police presence surrounding the adjoining checking area.?Sure enough it was my poor assistant with his trusty Billingham bag and they obviously didn?t like what they found when they had ?swabbed? it!!?Luckily with yesterday?s call sheet in my backpack and some understanding officials, we put their mind at rest that we had indeed been near explosives but for a legitimate reason.?Took a few swift ones at the bar to calm him back down though.?I often reminded him of the need to be nice to me after that as I could have just walked away!!!!?Graham MaunderAwfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10?8TA? ? ? ? ? ? Tel:?07000 345678? ?Mobile:?07831 515678? ?Visit Us:?www.anvc.tv?On 3 Mar 2021, at 09:49, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:?I have a particular interest in that Exeter bomb, as my younger son spent a year living in halls just a few yards away (bottom left). The bomb was top right.I don't have much experience of bombs, but perhaps a little more than most, having spent some days filming on a bomb disposal course - "Everyone has to blow something up, even you".?At one point I was changing tapes and my assistant Antonia appeared with four sticks of plastic explosive that she had been handed, to use to blow some stuff up.? Well, we'd filled in the risk assessment.Anyway, that particular Exeter explosion - intended to burn the explosive rather than actually explode - did seem to be a bit energetic, as if maybe they'd screwed up. Unlike this one, at Shoeburyness.B?On 02/03/2021 23:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:This may have reached you by other routes, but it had to happen!?Mike G?https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1176382472790953&id=100012576342772???--Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk?http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk--?Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk--?Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 4 01:01:57 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 07:01:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <6FF59FA2BD824991A828E5A779FC2762@DarbydPC1> References: <6FF59FA2BD824991A828E5A779FC2762@DarbydPC1> Message-ID: <40746DA4-ED57-4332-A9B3-DFFA771A6E95@me.com> There have been some good suggestions about what those elongated cone shaped symbols might represent. My original posting only included that particular detail but it may help if people could see it in context. I?m including a larger section of that map covering north Oxfordshire. There are about half a dozen similar maps covering the whole of Oxfordshire. I?m not sure if this was a one-off project done by a person interested in Oxfordshire, or whether similar maps were produced for other areas too. Most bomb damage maps represent each bomb by dots of varying diameter. Alan Taylor > On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:21, Dudley Darby via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi Alan > > I've seen these on a bombing map before, haven't a definitive answer, but the site we were researching showing a similar symbol was attacked with incendiaries. It would sort of make sense with there being an aluminium recycling plant, magnesium incendiaries creating temperatures way above that required to set aluminium burning. > > Dudley Darby > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.png Type: image/png Size: 179743 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 04:27:00 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 10:27:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <40746DA4-ED57-4332-A9B3-DFFA771A6E95@me.com> References: <6FF59FA2BD824991A828E5A779FC2762@DarbydPC1> <40746DA4-ED57-4332-A9B3-DFFA771A6E95@me.com> Message-ID: <7fe3f772-5e91-379c-0eab-4faccc88de26@ntlworld.com> The Royal Engineers bomb disposal archive man showed us a map of London with unexploded WW2 bombs marked, as many as they knew about.? Lots were still there (1998), left in peace - as long as you leave them alone they won't do anything. Going back to actual disposal, we watched two methods of sorting a 1000 pounder. One, in the picture earlier, was to pile discs of sheet plastic explosive seven high, separated by Vaseline, then stick a remote control detonator in the top of the pile. It would force a disc of the shell into the bomb, wizzing around inside. The seal was thus broken and the explosive "just" burns. The other was to run a circle of shaped charge around the flat end and blow it off.? One we didn't get to cover was what they did with a faulty rocket, because we were too busy.? The chaps doing that one got it wrong and when they blew the charge it set off for France, though it didn't get very far. They had to come back the next day and do it right. They couldn't do it that day because the tide was on it's way back. Another way, when the bomb is in deep hole, is to cover it with a huge tarpaulin, and fill that with water. We didn't get to film that one,as there wasn't a suitable one whilst we were around. They provided us with an army recording - a lot of water going everywhere. B On 04/03/2021 07:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > There have been some good suggestions about what those elongated cone > shaped symbols might represent. > > My original posting only included that particular detail but it may > help if people could see it in context. ?I?m including a larger > section of that map covering north Oxfordshire. There are about half a > dozen similar maps covering the whole of Oxfordshire. > > > > I?m not sure if this was a one-off project done by a person interested > in Oxfordshire, or whether similar maps were produced for other areas > too. Most bomb damage maps represent each bomb by dots of varying > diameter. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:21, Dudley Darby via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hi Alan >> >> I've seen these on a bombing map before, haven't a definitive answer, >> but the site we were researching showing a similar symbol was >> attacked with incendiaries. It would sort of make sense with there >> being an aluminium recycling plant, magnesium incendiaries creating >> temperatures way above that required to set aluminium burning. >> >> Dudley Darby >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.png Type: image/png Size: 179743 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 04:27:18 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 10:27:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <40746DA4-ED57-4332-A9B3-DFFA771A6E95@me.com> References: <6FF59FA2BD824991A828E5A779FC2762@DarbydPC1> <40746DA4-ED57-4332-A9B3-DFFA771A6E95@me.com> Message-ID: <6d4b7a6e-17f8-fb64-79e2-ed70ace0307d@gmail.com> The Royal Engineers bomb disposal archive man showed us a map of London with unexploded WW2 bombs marked, as many as they knew about.? Lots were still there (1998), left in peace - as long as you leave them alone they won't do anything. Going back to actual disposal, we watched two methods of sorting a 1000 pounder. One, in the picture earlier, was to pile discs of sheet plastic explosive seven high, separated by Vaseline, then stick a remote control detonator in the top of the pile. It would force a disc of the shell into the bomb, wizzing around inside. The seal was thus broken and the explosive "just" burns. The other was to run a circle of shaped charge around the flat end and blow it off.? One we didn't get to cover was what they did with a faulty rocket, because we were too busy.? The chaps doing that one got it wrong and when they blew the charge it set off for France, though it didn't get very far. They had to come back the next day and do it right. They couldn't do it that day because the tide was on it's way back. Another way, when the bomb is in deep hole, is to cover it with a huge tarpaulin, and fill that with water. We didn't get to film that one,as there wasn't a suitable one whilst we were around. They provided us with an army recording - a lot of water going everywhere. B On 04/03/2021 07:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > There have been some good suggestions about what those elongated cone > shaped symbols might represent. > > My original posting only included that particular detail but it may > help if people could see it in context. ?I?m including a larger > section of that map covering north Oxfordshire. There are about half a > dozen similar maps covering the whole of Oxfordshire. > > > > I?m not sure if this was a one-off project done by a person interested > in Oxfordshire, or whether similar maps were produced for other areas > too. Most bomb damage maps represent each bomb by dots of varying > diameter. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 3 Mar 2021, at 15:21, Dudley Darby via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hi Alan >> >> I've seen these on a bombing map before, haven't a definitive answer, >> but the site we were researching showing a similar symbol was >> attacked with incendiaries. It would sort of make sense with there >> being an aluminium recycling plant, magnesium incendiaries creating >> temperatures way above that required to set aluminium burning. >> >> Dudley Darby >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.png Type: image/png Size: 179743 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Mar 4 05:49:20 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 11:49:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable In-Reply-To: <603fed1e.1c69fb81.aed3a.9773SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <1699159F-37FD-4D3B-8D3F-306F9541FE87@btinternet.com> <603fed1e.1c69fb81.aed3a.9773SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6040c940.1c69fb81.5ffed.b09f@mx.google.com> Having worked on several ?action? movies with multiple explosions, I chatted to the SFX guys, who explained that most of the debris thrown up was vermiculite and coal dust/sawdust ? looks good on camera, but lightweight for sound. Resorted to dubbing on a few thumps from naval gun! They did say that to make the right noise, would take out the whole studio! I was intrigued that to show human bodies being blown into the air, the stunt guys would jump onto a trampoline out of frame, and as they hit the net, the charge was triggered in sync, so it looked as if they had been blown up. Had an interesting job, once for the Army, on Salisbury Plain, showing how to deploy and fire a 25 pounder, towed by a Landrover. Used a 4037 close to the breech to get the loading and firing commands and FX, then put up a 816 pointing vertically upwards, down range at the extent of my cables. Captured the whistle of the shell passing overhead ? I was delighted with that! The BBC instituted a gadget called the Programme Effects Generator (PEG) which used special tape cassettes with instant start for playback and ran for a max of 30 secs. Ideal for spot FX, and I was able to keep a WW1 battle going for some time with gunfire and bangs accurately interspersed with the dialogue. Effectively dubbing the track as we went along. Best regards Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 03 March 2021 20:10 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: jpn Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable Puts me in mind of when Special Defects were going to blow up the Cybermans' spaceship on Dr Who. The EM ( Ian Dow?) stepped out of the scanner to discover them pouring petrol into bin bags right next the scanner power input! Needless to say, he was not happy... Mind you, it looked impressive when they set it off, but the sound was very disappointing.? John Nottage? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 06:09:22 2021 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 12:09:22 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable WHOOPS References: <1699159F-37FD-4D3B-8D3F-306F9541FE87@btinternet.com><603fed1e.1c69fb81.aed3a.9773SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <6040c940.1c69fb81.5ffed.b09f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48FBE417BA0B4D799BC8E1C2F8E045C8@dell9100> cant remember the program in TVC, but an auduiance show special effects had made a trough about 2 ft long and 3inches wide and deep which was devided into 6 sections with a pyro to trigger each section WHOOPS the pucccusion from the first triggered the whole lot and blew trough to bits fortunaty the bit didnt hit anyone chris From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Mar 4 06:13:40 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 12:13:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable WHOOPS In-Reply-To: <48FBE417BA0B4D799BC8E1C2F8E045C8@dell9100> References: <1699159F-37FD-4D3B-8D3F-306F9541FE87@btinternet.com><603fed1e.1c69fb81.aed3a.9773SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <6040c940.1c69fb81.5ffed.b09f@mx.google.com> <48FBE417BA0B4D799BC8E1C2F8E045C8@dell9100> Message-ID: <6040cef3.1c69fb81.65b2b.2865@mx.google.com> Sounds like a Michael Bentine ?Square World? prank! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris on gmail via Tech1 Sent: 04 March 2021 12:09 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Chris on gmail Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable WHOOPS cant remember the program in TVC, but an auduiance show special effects had made a trough about 2 ft long and 3inches wide and deep which was devided into 6 sections with a pyro to trigger each section WHOOPS the pucccusion from the first triggered the whole lot and blew trough to bits fortunaty the bit didnt hit anyone chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris on gmail via Tech1 Sent: 04 March 2021 12:09 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Chris on gmail Subject: Re: [Tech1] The inevitable WHOOPS cant remember the program in TVC, but an auduiance show special effects had made a trough about 2 ft long and 3inches wide and deep which was devided into 6 sections with a pyro to trigger each section WHOOPS the pucccusion from the first triggered the whole lot and blew trough to bits fortunaty the bit didnt hit anyone chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My ears were ringing for days. Doug On 4 March 2021, at 12:09, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: cant remember the program in TVC, but an auduiance show special effects had made a trough about 2 ft long and 3inches wide and deep which was devided into 6 sections with a pyro to trigger each section WHOOPS the pucccusion from the first triggered the whole lot and blew trough to bits fortunaty the bit didnt hit anyone chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 4 09:08:50 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 15:08:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dich Sheppard stunt man Message-ID: <4C9C287D-851E-4BE4-B681-215A84E6A436@me.com> Sad to hear that the stunt man Dick Sheppard has passed away, although I suppose when you take into consideration what he did for a living, reaching 90 was better than he might have expected. His speciality was car stunts and he worked on movies like The Italian Job and Bond films. He also was a regular performer on Seaside Special throughout the 1970s, doing a number of driving stunts, usually driving up a long ramp and jumping over a number of cars, or alternatively deliberately dive bombing into cars. One of his stunts was done in that really hot summer of ?76, most likely from Torbay as that was closest to where Dick was based. I?m pretty certain it was with MCR21 with its EMI 2001 cameras because Leigh Osborne was there too and we worked together on that unit. The stunt involved driving up a ramp and nose diving from a great height into a parked car. I think Dick called it something like the ?T? Bone stunt. The stunt didn?t quite go as planned and on impact, his car rolled over and came to rest inverted on the grass. He was OK, but a little fuel had spilled onto the dry grass and started a small fire which was spreading over the parched grass. The car door wouldn?t open as the car was quite badly bent and Dick was initially trapped in the car. Leigh Osborne used to take the mickey out of me by pointing out that while they watched the events unfolding in MCR21, they were also hearing sound from inside the car because I had put a radio mic in there. As his support crew raced over, carrying huge fire extinguishers and a giant crowbar, I out-sprinted them and could clearly be seen and heard crouching by the window and asking Dick to pass out the radio mic so that it didn?t come to harm. Michael Hurll loved these stunts and we did all sorts on those shows. I?m not sure if Dick did the motor cycle stunts too, but on another Seaside Special a stunt was going to be jumping a motor bike over a record number of buses. The local coach company was approached to provide the buses and as it was going to be seen on prime time BBC Saturday night, they turned up with their newest, shiniest coaches, all lined up with their backs to camera so that the company name was seen to best effect. When the stunt was attempted, it didn?t quite go to plan that time either. The motor bike cleared the first few buses nicely, but landed on the roof of one and drove at high speed over the remaining ones before plunging to the ground. The bus company were probably in two minds about this. On the one hand, there were some expensive repairs to be done on their brand new coaches, but on the other hand, the additional press coverage from the stunt going wrong gained them much more publicity. Dick was also very proud of having what must be the most recursive entry in the Guiness Book of Records. At one point he held the record for holding the most records in the Guiness Book of Records. Alan Taylor From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 4 10:01:35 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:01:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inevitable WHOOPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19F47549-A964-4F88-BBBC-AB2E85B98B60@me.com> When we were shooting The Tripods, there was a scene where the Tripods attack our heroes in a building and destroy the building. The location manager found a semi-derelict building which not only looked the part, but could be completely blown up too. Special Effects wired up the place with explosives and as we all know, special effects explosions only come in one of two sizes, too small or too big. Come the big scene the explosion was hopelessly underwhelming and most of the building remained standing. Special Effects quickly discovered that most of their explosives charges hadn?t detonated. We couldn?t do a retake as the building was too damaged, so it was decided that they would reconnect them to the firing control and set them off like fireworks, with the added thrill of destroying a building for good measure. We were graced with the presence of a BBC safety officer who decided to supervise the safety precautions. Most of the crew were marshalled into a safe area, away from harm but able to get a good view. He was supposed to ensure that nobody approached the house from the other direction. However, if he did that, he wouldn?t have been able to see much of the explosion, so once the explosion was imminent, he moved to get a better view. Meanwhile in the scanner, we were packing up for the night and nobody had thought to tell us that they were going to blow up the remaining explosives. I was puzzled why so few radio talkbacks had been returned and set off to find them. I walked down the lane to the house and just as I got through the gate, there was a huge explosion. I was shaken up, but miraculously unharmed. The safety officer appeared and when I discovered that his particular task had been to stop anybody doing what I had just done, I had what could tactfully be described as a robust exchange with him. After we left site, a company was engaged to finish off the demolition and they discovered some further explosives which meant that bomb disposal engineers had to be called to clear them. All in all, not a particularly good day for special effects dept. Alan Taylor > On 4 Mar 2021, at 13:46, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > ?A Tomorrow World item about safe breaking. If robbers blow a safe, a capsule inside bursts and coats everything in indelible dye. Worked well on rehearsal. On transmission, the explosion blew a 30 cm hole in a very heavy carpet covering the door, and shifted it about 4 metres across the studio. My ears were ringing for days. > > Doug > > On 4 March 2021, at 12:09, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > > cant remember the program in TVC, but an auduiance show > > special effects had made a trough about 2 ft long and 3inches wide and > deep > which was devided into 6 sections with a pyro to trigger each section > WHOOPS the pucccusion from the first triggered the whole lot and blew trough > to bits > fortunaty the bit didnt hit anyone > > chris > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 10:10:29 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:10:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio Message-ID: <3dd8d1f9-6bc5-43b4-495e-2ba2bdd77b45@gmail.com> I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year ago -? ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very happy to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of which I'm part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting plus others, and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine.? OK - I got out my U87 rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place.? An on-going irritation when not in use. Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and that's entirely good enough for the job.? So I went on to ebay and bought this kit - It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. The big deal with this was the price ..........??? Think about it, then scroll down. ?31.99 for the lot. How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money for where they live? ? And you might think about that next time you plan on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door to each other. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Receiver line out into a graphic tweaked as you would for most personals. But as you say a lot of kit to rig - or leave lying around. So bought a USB electret personal mic. Which listened to locally sounds like most other personals. Did look for a real time software graphic equaliser with no success. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 4 12:45:30 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 18:45:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: <3dd8d1f9-6bc5-43b4-495e-2ba2bdd77b45@gmail.com> References: <3dd8d1f9-6bc5-43b4-495e-2ba2bdd77b45@gmail.com> Message-ID: Weird that there is a 1kHz tone being heard. I can?t recall ever hearing a microphone producing a tone. Hiss, noise or splats yes sometimes, but never an identifiable tone. My only theory is that it might be some sort of interference from a switched power supply stepping up the 5V USB to operate the microphone electronics, but those switched power supplies usually run at supersonic frequencies and should be inaudible. The only way I could imagine it becoming audible would be if it were to be beating with another similar switched power supply running about 1kHz faster or slower, but that?s one of those situations where you would need two faults to happen at once, which doesn?t happen very often. Does it do the same when plugged into any other equipment? Is there anything else around or on another track which could be generating tone and breaking through? Alan Taylor > On 4 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > ? I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year ago - ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very happy to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of which I'm part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting plus others, and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. > > One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine. OK - I got out my U87 rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place. An on-going irritation when not in use. > > Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and that's entirely good enough for the job. So I went on to ebay and bought this kit - > > > > > It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. > > The big deal with this was the price .......... Think about it, then scroll down. > > > > > > > > > > > ?31.99 for the lot. > > How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money for where they live? And you might think about that next time you plan on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door to each other. > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 14:39:21 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 20:39:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: References: <3dd8d1f9-6bc5-43b4-495e-2ba2bdd77b45@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99b9e097-2575-a4dd-afd0-e7616269495c@gmail.com> It is odd. I just ran another test and it really is there. Sort of feels like being back in a TC studio.? I've only had it since this afternoon, so I haven't tried it on the laptop yet. If it's there on that, I'll post a recording. B On 04/03/2021 18:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Weird that there is a 1kHz tone being heard. > > I can?t recall ever hearing a microphone producing a tone. Hiss, noise > or splats yes sometimes, but never an identifiable tone. > > My only theory is that it might be some sort of interference from a > switched power supply stepping up the 5V USB ?to operate the > microphone electronics, but those switched power supplies usually run > at supersonic frequencies and should be inaudible. ?The only way I > could imagine it becoming audible would be if it were to be beating > with another similar switched power supply running about 1kHz faster > or slower, but that?s one of those situations where you would need two > faults to happen at once, which doesn?t happen very often. > > Does it do the same when plugged into any other equipment? ?Is there > anything else around or on another track which could be generating > tone and breaking through? > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 4 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year >> ago -? ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a >> session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very happy >> to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of which I'm >> part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting plus others, >> and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. >> >> One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB >> webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other >> end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine.? OK - I got out my U87 >> rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all >> sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place.? >> An on-going irritation when not in use. >> >> Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and that's >> entirely good enough for the job.? So I went on to ebay and bought >> this kit - >> >> >> >> >> It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very >> low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice >> overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. >> >> The big deal with this was the price .......... Think about it, then >> scroll down. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ?31.99 for the lot. >> >> How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money for >> where they live? ? And you might think about that next time you plan >> on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door to each >> other. >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Mar 4 16:12:29 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 22:12:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: <99b9e097-2575-a4dd-afd0-e7616269495c@gmail.com> References: <3dd8d1f9-6bc5-43b4-495e-2ba2bdd77b45@gmail.com> , <99b9e097-2575-a4dd-afd0-e7616269495c@gmail.com> Message-ID: I suspect that at the price you mention, that mic is an electret inside the U87 look-alike. See if the 1kHz is still there if you disconnect the laptop?s PSU and run on batts. There are Rode podcasting mics that are probably much better, but not for 31 quid. My wife is taking part in NHS Teams meetings three days a week, and is most comfortable using an Apple earpiece/microphone earbud set. I?m obvs not allowed to eavesdrop to see what it sounds like, but she seems happy with it. She also does Pilates zoom sessions on her own laptop several times a week, usually in a group of six or so. The person who runs the sessions doesn?t use earbuds, but sounds remarkably clear. It seems it can sound better than some of the garbage sound we hear on TV these days. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Mar 2021, at 20:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? It is odd. I just ran another test and it really is there. Sort of feels like being back in a TC studio. I've only had it since this afternoon, so I haven't tried it on the laptop yet. If it's there on that, I'll post a recording. B On 04/03/2021 18:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Weird that there is a 1kHz tone being heard. I can?t recall ever hearing a microphone producing a tone. Hiss, noise or splats yes sometimes, but never an identifiable tone. My only theory is that it might be some sort of interference from a switched power supply stepping up the 5V USB to operate the microphone electronics, but those switched power supplies usually run at supersonic frequencies and should be inaudible. The only way I could imagine it becoming audible would be if it were to be beating with another similar switched power supply running about 1kHz faster or slower, but that?s one of those situations where you would need two faults to happen at once, which doesn?t happen very often. Does it do the same when plugged into any other equipment? Is there anything else around or on another track which could be generating tone and breaking through? Alan Taylor On 4 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year ago - ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very happy to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of which I'm part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting plus others, and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine. OK - I got out my U87 rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place. An on-going irritation when not in use. Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and that's entirely good enough for the job. So I went on to ebay and bought this kit - It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. The big deal with this was the price .......... Think about it, then scroll down. ?31.99 for the lot. How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money for where they live? And you might think about that next time you plan on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door to each other. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Mar 5 05:07:16 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 11:07:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: References: <3dd8d1f9-6bc5-43b4-495e-2ba2bdd77b45@gmail.com> Message-ID: This morning I attached it to the laptop downstairs via a different cable, same result. On the laptop speakers it sounds more like standing in a VT channel with someone lining up down the corridor.? I recorded in Audacity, then added a notch filter at 1KHz. Both results are attached. It comes apart very easily, photo also attached. Apart from being interesting, it really doesn't matter - this a cheap solution to a minor problem. Still - one has to wonder how it does it. And how they do it for the money. B On 04/03/2021 18:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Weird that there is a 1kHz tone being heard. > > I can?t recall ever hearing a microphone producing a tone. Hiss, noise > or splats yes sometimes, but never an identifiable tone. > > My only theory is that it might be some sort of interference from a > switched power supply stepping up the 5V USB ?to operate the > microphone electronics, but those switched power supplies usually run > at supersonic frequencies and should be inaudible. ?The only way I > could imagine it becoming audible would be if it were to be beating > with another similar switched power supply running about 1kHz faster > or slower, but that?s one of those situations where you would need two > faults to happen at once, which doesn?t happen very often. > > Does it do the same when plugged into any other equipment? ?Is there > anything else around or on another track which could be generating > tone and breaking through? > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 4 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year >> ago -? ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a >> session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very happy >> to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of which I'm >> part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting plus others, >> and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. >> >> One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB >> webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other >> end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine.? OK - I got out my U87 >> rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all >> sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place.? >> An on-going irritation when not in use. >> >> Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and that's >> entirely good enough for the job.? So I went on to ebay and bought >> this kit - >> >> >> >> >> It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very >> low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice >> overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. >> >> The big deal with this was the price .......... Think about it, then >> scroll down. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ?31.99 for the lot. >> >> How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money for >> where they live? ? And you might think about that next time you plan >> on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door to each >> other. >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The reason why I find it intriguing is that apart from the microphone capsule, there doesn?t seem to be any conventional audio components in there. The board doesn?t look that much different to some other non-audio USB devices I?ve looked at. I was expecting some sort of audio pre-amplification before it?s digitised, but it doesn?t look as though that happens. Alan Taylor > On 5 Mar 2021, at 11:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? This morning I attached it to the laptop downstairs via a different cable, same result. On the laptop speakers it sounds more like standing in a VT channel with someone lining up down the corridor. I recorded in Audacity, then added a notch filter at 1KHz. Both results are attached. It comes apart very easily, photo also attached. > > Apart from being interesting, it really doesn't matter - this a cheap solution to a minor problem. Still - one has to wonder how it does it. And how they do it for the money. > > B > > > > On 04/03/2021 18:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Weird that there is a 1kHz tone being heard. >> >> I can?t recall ever hearing a microphone producing a tone. Hiss, noise or splats yes sometimes, but never an identifiable tone. >> >> My only theory is that it might be some sort of interference from a switched power supply stepping up the 5V USB to operate the microphone electronics, but those switched power supplies usually run at supersonic frequencies and should be inaudible. The only way I could imagine it becoming audible would be if it were to be beating with another similar switched power supply running about 1kHz faster or slower, but that?s one of those situations where you would need two faults to happen at once, which doesn?t happen very often. >> >> Does it do the same when plugged into any other equipment? Is there anything else around or on another track which could be generating tone and breaking through? >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 4 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year ago - ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very happy to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of which I'm part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting plus others, and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. >>> >>> One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine. OK - I got out my U87 rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place. An on-going irritation when not in use. >>> >>> Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and that's entirely good enough for the job. So I went on to ebay and bought this kit - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. >>> >>> The big deal with this was the price .......... Think about it, then scroll down. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ?31.99 for the lot. >>> >>> How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money for where they live? And you might think about that next time you plan on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door to each other. >>> >>> B >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Mar 5 05:41:24 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 11:41:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio Message-ID: <0hx9a0akao28wbbcsnyfoo49.1614944395551@email.android.com> I hope you are using it in a "professional" manner Bernie. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know that some of my audio colleagues made their own condenser microphones from scratch forty or fifty years ago, but this approach is closer to a kitchen table project, doesn?t need a precision lathe or require especially skilled construction techniques. https://www.instructables.com/True-Condenser-OPA-Mics/ Alan Taylor > On 5 Mar 2021, at 11:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? This morning I attached it to the laptop downstairs via a different cable, same result. On the laptop speakers it sounds more like standing in a VT channel with someone lining up down the corridor. I recorded in Audacity, then added a notch filter at 1KHz. Both results are attached. It comes apart very easily, photo also attached. > > Apart from being interesting, it really doesn't matter - this a cheap solution to a minor problem. Still - one has to wonder how it does it. And how they do it for the money. > > B > > > > On 04/03/2021 18:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Weird that there is a 1kHz tone being heard. >> >> I can?t recall ever hearing a microphone producing a tone. Hiss, noise or splats yes sometimes, but never an identifiable tone. >> >> My only theory is that it might be some sort of interference from a switched power supply stepping up the 5V USB to operate the microphone electronics, but those switched power supplies usually run at supersonic frequencies and should be inaudible. The only way I could imagine it becoming audible would be if it were to be beating with another similar switched power supply running about 1kHz faster or slower, but that?s one of those situations where you would need two faults to happen at once, which doesn?t happen very often. >> >> Does it do the same when plugged into any other equipment? Is there anything else around or on another track which could be generating tone and breaking through? >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 4 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year ago - ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very happy to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of which I'm part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting plus others, and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. >>> >>> One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine. OK - I got out my U87 rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place. An on-going irritation when not in use. >>> >>> Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and that's entirely good enough for the job. So I went on to ebay and bought this kit - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. >>> >>> The big deal with this was the price .......... Think about it, then scroll down. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ?31.99 for the lot. >>> >>> How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money for where they live? And you might think about that next time you plan on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door to each other. >>> >>> B >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Mar 5 07:01:56 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 13:01:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Having found, recharged, and managed to connect to my cheapo wifi endoscope, it seems that the small chip is an Atmel 24C02N - an EEPROM, as you said. Perhaps it holds the program for the microcontroller, which has no markings. B On 05/03/2021 11:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Things are a bit noisy here so not a good time to check out the sound > file, but the picture of the PCB intrigued me. > > Obviously the huge chip in the middle is a CPU chip, but I?m unable to > make out any writing on it. ?The other chip is an EEPROM chip. > ?Everything else appears to be the usual assortment of passive > components such as surface mount resistors and capacitors. ?The reason > why I find it intriguing is that apart from the microphone capsule, > there doesn?t seem to be any conventional audio components in there. > ?The board doesn?t look that much different to some other non-audio > USB devices I?ve looked at. > > I was expecting some sort of audio pre-amplification before it?s > digitised, but it doesn?t look as though that happens. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 5 Mar 2021, at 11:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? This morning I attached it to the laptop downstairs via a different >> cable, same result. On the laptop speakers it sounds more like >> standing in a VT channel with someone lining up down the corridor.? I >> recorded in Audacity, then added a notch filter at 1KHz. Both results >> are attached. It comes apart very easily, photo also attached. >> >> Apart from being interesting, it really doesn't matter - this a cheap >> solution to a minor problem. Still - one has to wonder how it does >> it. And how they do it for the money. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 04/03/2021 18:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> Weird that there is a 1kHz tone being heard. >>> >>> I can?t recall ever hearing a microphone producing a tone. Hiss, >>> noise or splats yes sometimes, but never an identifiable tone. >>> >>> My only theory is that it might be some sort of interference from a >>> switched power supply stepping up the 5V USB ?to operate the >>> microphone electronics, but those switched power supplies usually >>> run at supersonic frequencies and should be inaudible. ?The only way >>> I could imagine it becoming audible would be if it were to be >>> beating with another similar switched power supply running about >>> 1kHz faster or slower, but that?s one of those situations where you >>> would need two faults to happen at once, which doesn?t happen very >>> often. >>> >>> Does it do the same when plugged into any other equipment? ?Is there >>> anything else around or on another track which could be generating >>> tone and breaking through? >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 4 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year >>>> ago -? ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a >>>> session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very >>>> happy to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of >>>> which I'm part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting >>>> plus others, and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. >>>> >>>> One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB >>>> webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other >>>> end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine.? OK - I got out my U87 >>>> rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all >>>> sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place.? >>>> An on-going irritation when not in use. >>>> >>>> Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and >>>> that's entirely good enough for the job.? So I went on to ebay and >>>> bought this kit - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very >>>> low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice >>>> overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. >>>> >>>> The big deal with this was the price ..........??? Think about it, >>>> then scroll down. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?31.99 for the lot. >>>> >>>> How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money >>>> for where they live? ? And you might think about that next time you >>>> plan on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door >>>> to each other. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lonojmlcpficloap.png Type: image/png Size: 882756 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Mar 5 08:12:23 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 14:12:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27ad42e6-8136-5e53-aac4-af5eec232260@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 05/03/2021 11:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Obviously the huge chip in the middle is a CPU chip,.... Well probably not. I suspect it is a dedicated USB interface along the lines of a TI PCM2912A (and there are many others like it). These have the analogue interface circuitry, ADC and USB interface circuitry integrated, along with power extraction from USB lines. And although not used on Bernie's mic, it almost certainly has the capability of a return path and headphone output too. The EEPROM may be used to retain any adjustable settings, if the mic has this option. The electret capsules have quite a respectable output, so only need an impedance converter and probably something like a 20dB signal lift. That can all happen inside the interface chip. Chris Woolf > but I?m unable to make out any writing on it. ?The other chip is an > EEPROM chip. ?Everything else appears to be the usual assortment of > passive components such as surface mount resistors and capacitors. > ?The reason why I find it intriguing is that apart from the microphone > capsule, there doesn?t seem to be any conventional audio components in > there. ?The board doesn?t look that much different to some other > non-audio USB devices I?ve looked at. > > I was expecting some sort of audio pre-amplification before it?s > digitised, but it doesn?t look as though that happens. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 5 Mar 2021, at 11:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? This morning I attached it to the laptop downstairs via a different >> cable, same result. On the laptop speakers it sounds more like >> standing in a VT channel with someone lining up down the corridor.? I >> recorded in Audacity, then added a notch filter at 1KHz. Both results >> are attached. It comes apart very easily, photo also attached. >> >> Apart from being interesting, it really doesn't matter - this a cheap >> solution to a minor problem. Still - one has to wonder how it does >> it. And how they do it for the money. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 04/03/2021 18:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> Weird that there is a 1kHz tone being heard. >>> >>> I can?t recall ever hearing a microphone producing a tone. Hiss, >>> noise or splats yes sometimes, but never an identifiable tone. >>> >>> My only theory is that it might be some sort of interference from a >>> switched power supply stepping up the 5V USB ?to operate the >>> microphone electronics, but those switched power supplies usually >>> run at supersonic frequencies and should be inaudible. ?The only way >>> I could imagine it becoming audible would be if it were to be >>> beating with another similar switched power supply running about >>> 1kHz faster or slower, but that?s one of those situations where you >>> would need two faults to happen at once, which doesn?t happen very >>> often. >>> >>> Does it do the same when plugged into any other equipment? ?Is there >>> anything else around or on another track which could be generating >>> tone and breaking through? >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 4 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? I do lots of Zooming. Given that I paid for a subscription a year >>>> ago -? ?14.15 per month - and that's for as long as you want in a >>>> session and as many sessions as you want in the month, I'm very >>>> happy to let others share its use. So there's three U3A groups of >>>> which I'm part, plus my wife's church standing and finance meeting >>>> plus others, and as many family groups as we feel like hosting. >>>> >>>> One thing that hasn't been that great is the audio from the USB >>>> webcam on this computer. It's just rubbish, the people on the other >>>> end tell me. The laptop downstairs is fine.? OK - I got out my U87 >>>> rip off, and a mic stand, and my Behringer sound mixer, and now all >>>> sounded fine. Except there was gear in the way all over the place.? >>>> An on-going irritation when not in use. >>>> >>>> Someone else in my group bought a cheap USB condenser mic, and >>>> that's entirely good enough for the job.? So I went on to ebay and >>>> bought this kit - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It works well enough to do the job required, though there's a very >>>> low level 1kHz tone coming from somewhere. If I need to do voice >>>> overs I'll have to get the other gear out again. >>>> >>>> The big deal with this was the price ..........??? Think about it, >>>> then scroll down. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?31.99 for the lot. >>>> >>>> How much do people get paid to make this stuff? Is it good money >>>> for where they live? ? And you might think about that next time you >>>> plan on buying a ?1000 phone. The factories are probably next door >>>> to each other. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 5 09:29:49 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 15:29:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New text scam! Message-ID: <0bebf501-d302-ac9e-db93-8d812e9713c9@btinternet.com> I have just received a new message on my mobile saying - ' Lloyds alert, you have successfully paired a new device at 1415.....etc.' from 07887674576.?? This is a scam! I am not with Lloyds and at 1415? was having lunch! There are lots of articles about this new scam on Google under 'Lloyds alert scam'. Cheers, Dave From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Mar 5 10:53:26 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 16:53:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New text scam! Message-ID: I had a landline call today telling me my national insurance number was about to cancelled and if I did not press one to answer all my assets would be also seized and I would be arrested. Doug From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Mar 5 11:32:15 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:32:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New text scam! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Recorded voice? There?s a factory in India churning these out, usual claiming your internet is going to be cut off or your amazon prime account is being renewed at some ridiculously large figure. All try to get you to press one to speak to an ?executive?. Apparently if you do the nice gentleman on the other end will relieve you of your bank detatils. ? Graeme Wall > On 5 Mar 2021, at 16:53, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > I had a landline call today telling me my national insurance number was about to cancelled and if I did not press one to answer all my assets would be also seized and I would be arrested. > > Doug > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davelebreton at btinternet.com Fri Mar 5 12:00:22 2021 From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 18:00:22 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] New text scam! In-Reply-To: <0bebf501-d302-ac9e-db93-8d812e9713c9@btinternet.com> References: <0bebf501-d302-ac9e-db93-8d812e9713c9@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7FD66BE4ED1F44EEBC0013394193E8AD@DavidPC> I had that one, and an associated one offering to reverse the transaction, which was also a scam! Cheers, Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 05, 2021 3:29 PM To: , ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Cc: dave.mdv Subject: [Tech1] New text scam! I have just received a new message on my mobile saying - ' Lloyds alert, you have successfully paired a new device at 1415.....etc.' from 07887674576. This is a scam! I am not with Lloyds and at 1415 was having lunch! There are lots of articles about this new scam on Google under 'Lloyds alert scam'. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Mar 5 12:50:29 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 18:50:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New text scam! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29A442E8-A93A-4400-ADB9-ACCE058787BE@me.com> A couple of days ago my wife received the opposite of one of these scam calls. I recently mentioned on here that my internet provider offered a deal where I get twice the speed for ?2 per month less, but would need to pay an admin fee to set it up. It was a no-brainier to accept. When I tried to pay online their system failed twice and I emailed their sales department to tell them that it wouldn?t work. They replied asking if I was using Safari as they have had problems with it before. I said yes and they then asked me to try again using Internet Explorer. That was like a red rag to a bull and I emailed the director of the company to tell him what had happened, that I was using an iPad which has never had IE as an option, and even for Macs, the last version of IE came out in 2003. I pointed out that this was a situation often encountered by Mac users twenty or thirty years ago, but I can?t recall the last time it happened to me and of all companies, I wouldn?t expect a hi-tech company to be so far behind the times in the 21st century. I didn?t bother telling my wife about it because it wasn?t a big deal, just me having a go at crappy service. However, earlier this week she answered a call on the landline. We don?t use our landline, it?s only there to get broadband and the only calls we get on it are spam calls. We don?t give that number to anybody, but of course the internet supplier is the only company who actually has our number. She picked up the call because she was in the hall and spotted the answerphone kicking into life. The lady who made the call started by saying ?I believe that you?re having problems trying to make a payment for your internet service?. Janet immediately assumed it was one of those scam calls and laid into her, saying that everything is fine and to go away and stop making spam calls, abruptly terminating the call without giving the woman an opportunity to say anything more. To cut a long story short, I then got an email from the MD?s PA asking if I was having problems. I put two and two together, worked out what had happened and explained. As a goodwill gesture they then waived the fee and gave me an even more advantageous rate for the first year and promising to make it a priority that their payment software will work with all modern browsers. Alan Taylor > On 5 Mar 2021, at 17:32, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrot > ?Recorded voice? > > There?s a factory in India churning these out, usual claiming your internet is going to be cut off or your amazon prime account is being renewed at some ridiculously large figure. All try to get you to press one to speak to an ?executive?. Apparently if you do the nice gentleman on the other end will relieve you of your bank detatils. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 5 Mar 2021, at 16:53, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I had a landline call today telling me my national insurance number was about to cancelled and if I did not press one to answer all my assets would be also seized and I would be arrested. >> >> Doug >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 5 13:12:40 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 19:12:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Recorded voice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f272529-f0fc-9bf8-8fa2-05bd8d2360b2@btinternet.com> Not this time Graeme, just a text message on my mobile, but I do get the ones you mentioned on a daily basis, sometimes twice a day! I also get ones from an Indian gentleman saying that my washing machine warranty has expired, would I like to renew it? I always ask which machine as I have several. Their paperwork seems not to be complete! The last answer was Indesit so I said I wouldn't have one in the house at which point the line went dead! Cheers, Dave On 05/03/2021 17:32, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Recorded voice? > > There?s a factory in India churning these out, usual claiming your internet is going to be cut off or your amazon prime account is being renewed at some ridiculously large figure. All try to get you to press one to speak to an ?executive?. Apparently if you do the nice gentleman on the other end will relieve you of your bank detatils. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 5 Mar 2021, at 16:53, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I had a landline call today telling me my national insurance number was about to cancelled and if I did not press one to answer all my assets would be also seized and I would be arrested. >> >> Doug >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Mar 5 14:34:06 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2021 20:34:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Recorded voice In-Reply-To: <8f272529-f0fc-9bf8-8fa2-05bd8d2360b2@btinternet.com> References: <8f272529-f0fc-9bf8-8fa2-05bd8d2360b2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Ha, I can beat that, I got 4 of these recorded calls, just press 1 to speak to an advisor, last Monday morning. Lots of other calls, texts, emails, re problems with: HMRC, NHS, BT, 'your ISP', DPD, Amazon prime, Lloyds, Barclays, etc. etc. etc. I once reported an email from HMRC as a scam, only to get a polite response that it really was genuine! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Mar 6 05:44:13 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 11:44:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New text scam! In-Reply-To: <29A442E8-A93A-4400-ADB9-ACCE058787BE@me.com> References: <29A442E8-A93A-4400-ADB9-ACCE058787BE@me.com> Message-ID: <37a50e95-1cfa-f9b2-8008-ab0d94f19a09@gmail.com> Strangely, IE is still required for some things, and it still lives in W10 under Windows Accessories. Some years ago NATS, for sensible safety reasons, cooperated with SkyDemon - a flight planning system for GA - to produce free SkyDemon Lite.? It not only required IE but also Silverlight, the ancient Microsoft rival to Flash. It still works and does it's job, but has never been updated, so you have to have an old machine in which you loaded Silverlight a good while ago.? Either that, or you pay for the full version.? It's amazing how Scrooge-like some pilots are about a few quid when they spend ?155 an hour wandering the skies of south-east England. Also, this Dahua camera - http://www.ltfc.org.uk/webcams.html - and many more like it, can only be controlled and setup using an ActiveX control in IE. Perhaps it's a backdoor that China can use to rule the world.? There are certainly complaints from anoraks around the world if it goes down. B On 05/03/2021 18:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > A couple of days ago my wife received the opposite of one of these scam calls. > > I recently mentioned on here that my internet provider offered a deal where I get twice the speed for ?2 per month less, but would need to pay an admin fee to set it up. It was a no-brainier to accept. When I tried to pay online their system failed twice and I emailed their sales department to tell them that it wouldn?t work. > > They replied asking if I was using Safari as they have had problems with it before. I said yes and they then asked me to try again using Internet Explorer. That was like a red rag to a bull and I emailed the director of the company to tell him what had happened, that I was using an iPad which has never had IE as an option, and even for Macs, the last version of IE came out in 2003. I pointed out that this was a situation often encountered by Mac users twenty or thirty years ago, but I can?t recall the last time it happened to me and of all companies, I wouldn?t expect a hi-tech company to be so far behind the times in the 21st century. > > I didn?t bother telling my wife about it because it wasn?t a big deal, just me having a go at crappy service. However, earlier this week she answered a call on the landline. We don?t use our landline, it?s only there to get broadband and the only calls we get on it are spam calls. We don?t give that number to anybody, but of course the internet supplier is the only company who actually has our number. > > She picked up the call because she was in the hall and spotted the answerphone kicking into life. The lady who made the call started by saying ?I believe that you?re having problems trying to make a payment for your internet service?. Janet immediately assumed it was one of those scam calls and laid into her, saying that everything is fine and to go away and stop making spam calls, abruptly terminating the call without giving the woman an opportunity to say anything more. > > To cut a long story short, I then got an email from the MD?s PA asking if I was having problems. I put two and two together, worked out what had happened and explained. As a goodwill gesture they then waived the fee and gave me an even more advantageous rate for the first year and promising to make it a priority that their payment software will work with all modern browsers. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 5 Mar 2021, at 17:32, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrot >> ?Recorded voice? >> >> There?s a factory in India churning these out, usual claiming your internet is going to be cut off or your amazon prime account is being renewed at some ridiculously large figure. All try to get you to press one to speak to an ?executive?. 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Message-ID: <003c01d712e2$c92fa250$5b8ee6f0$@gmail.com> Yesterday afternoon we had a couple of suspicious characters in our front garden, who I spotted through the kitchen window. They were casually trying to peep through the fence at the bottom of our neighbour's garden to see if anyone was in, which fortunately for them, they were. I wish I'd had the presence of mind to grab my camera and take photos but panicked and called the police, hoping they'd come in time to catch them but they saw me watching them and scarpered pretty quick. The police came but by then there was no sign of them anywhere and I'd been told when I rang, to stay indoors and not to go after them for my own safety. The police asked if we had a security camera, which we don't and I'm now thinking of getting one. I'm sure some, if not many of you will have cameras and it would be good to know which ones and what the rules are about what they can cover. I'm told that some legitimate callers object to being seen on them and have taken people to court over it. Is it alright as long as they only cover your own private property and do you still have to put up a notice to warn everyone entering. That would be OK as it would make it more of a deterrent for would-be intruders, like the sight of an alarm system in place. I've thought about that too but we live in a quiet area and the idea of false alarms going off, especially at night, puts me off, Geoff Hawkes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Mar 6 20:17:05 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 02:17:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Home Security Cameras - what are the do's and dont's? In-Reply-To: <003c01d712e2$c92fa250$5b8ee6f0$@gmail.com> References: <003c01d712e2$c92fa250$5b8ee6f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoff, The really cheep option is just to invest in some 'CCTV in use ' signage. This in its self is a deterrent, you can get dummy cameras, but often easier not to have anything (Leaving those who see the signs unclear where yiu have hidden the cameras) Paul On 06/03/2021 23:45, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Yesterday afternoon we had a couple of suspicious characters in our > front garden, who I spotted through the kitchen window. They were > casually trying to peep through the fence at the bottom of our > neighbour?s garden to see if anyone was in, which fortunately for > them, they were. I wish I?d had the presence of mind to grab my camera > and take photos but panicked and called the police, hoping they?d come > in time to catch them but they saw me watching them and scarpered > pretty quick. The police came but by then there was no sign of them > anywhere and I?d been told when I rang, to stay indoors and not to go > after them for my own safety. > > The police asked if we had a security camera, which we don?t and I?m > now thinking of getting one. I?m sure some, if not many of you will > have cameras and it would be good to know which ones and what the > rules are about what they can cover. I?m told that some legitimate > callers object to being seen on them and have taken people to court > over it. Is it alright as long as they only cover your own private > property and do you still have to put up a notice to warn everyone > entering. That would be OK as it would make it more of a deterrent for > would-be intruders, like the sight of an alarm system in place. I?ve > thought about that too but we live in a quiet area and the idea of > false alarms going off, especially at night, puts me off, > > *Geoff Hawkes* > > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Mar 7 02:22:17 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:22:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Home Security Cameras - what are the do's and dont's? In-Reply-To: References: <003c01d712e2$c92fa250$5b8ee6f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12CEEFAC-05B9-48D9-B5A6-C5228C112484@icloud.com> Don?t use dummy cameras, the thieves know exactly what they look like. ? Graeme Wall > On 7 Mar 2021, at 02:17, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Geoff, > > The really cheep option is just to invest in some 'CCTV in use ' signage. This in its self is a deterrent, you can get dummy cameras, but often easier not to have anything (Leaving those who see the signs unclear where yiu have hidden the cameras) > > Paul > > On 06/03/2021 23:45, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> Yesterday afternoon we had a couple of suspicious characters in our front garden, who I spotted through the kitchen window. They were casually trying to peep through the fence at the bottom of our neighbour?s garden to see if anyone was in, which fortunately for them, they were. I wish I?d had the presence of mind to grab my camera and take photos but panicked and called the police, hoping they?d come in time to catch them but they saw me watching them and scarpered pretty quick. The police came but by then there was no sign of them anywhere and I?d been told when I rang, to stay indoors and not to go after them for my own safety. >> >> The police asked if we had a security camera, which we don?t and I?m now thinking of getting one. I?m sure some, if not many of you will have cameras and it would be good to know which ones and what the rules are about what they can cover. I?m told that some legitimate callers object to being seen on them and have taken people to court over it. Is it alright as long as they only cover your own private property and do you still have to put up a notice to warn everyone entering. That would be OK as it would make it more of a deterrent for would-be intruders, like the sight of an alarm system in place. I?ve thought about that too but we live in a quiet area and the idea of false alarms going off, especially at night, puts me off, >> >> Geoff Hawkes >> >> >> > -- > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > +44 7802 243979 > Mail; > paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; > http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; > http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Sun Mar 7 02:52:50 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:52:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Home Security Cameras - what are the do's and dont's? In-Reply-To: References: <003c01d712e2$c92fa250$5b8ee6f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Something terrible happened to our family several years ago and we were involved in two murder investigations about the same incident that happened in the neighboors house when we lived in the centre of Tunbridge Wells. When we first moved to this new home we had at the time some dummies and notices and an entry and exit alarm system. At the onset on the first investigation, the Police told us that they would come and fit CCTV but we decided that we would get it fitted ourselves. The chap who came to advise said it was a better system than an alarm as it would give evidence etc. So we had cameras on the house and the garage. We can access them on our phones as they run through the wifi.This is password protected as with the situation we are security vigilant to a letter. They are carefully positioned so they pick up people as they enter the curtilage of the property from any direction. We have decided in November to upgrade once more as they have been really useful including and because of where we live seeing the wild life at night. They are serviced once a year. The gubbins in under the stairs with a large monitor which we do not often use as the phone footage is more convenient. We have a notice in the window and on the actual garage. I write on all the delivery instructions that the parcels can be dropped in the CCTV monitored porch and I have had no issues. The Police have been round subsequently asking for footage when there has been an incident as one of the cameras cannot fail to pick up a passing car within its scan on its edge. As the property is listed they are not the white huge things that we have on the garage and garden but brown domes. The cabling is a pain as we are listed. The footage is kept for a month and can be recorded on the phone. We have classic footage of the dog escaping the garden and me spectacularly slipping on ice among other things! I know our situation is different because of the past but I think they are a real asset. Hope this helps Sara > On 7 Mar 2021, at 02:17, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Geoff, > > The really cheep option is just to invest in some 'CCTV in use ' signage. This in its self is a deterrent, you can get dummy cameras, but often easier not to have anything (Leaving those who see the signs unclear where yiu have hidden the cameras) > > Paul > > On 06/03/2021 23:45, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> Yesterday afternoon we had a couple of suspicious characters in our front garden, who I spotted through the kitchen window. They were casually trying to peep through the fence at the bottom of our neighbour?s garden to see if anyone was in, which fortunately for them, they were. I wish I?d had the presence of mind to grab my camera and take photos but panicked and called the police, hoping they?d come in time to catch them but they saw me watching them and scarpered pretty quick. The police came but by then there was no sign of them anywhere and I?d been told when I rang, to stay indoors and not to go after them for my own safety. >> >> The police asked if we had a security camera, which we don?t and I?m now thinking of getting one. I?m sure some, if not many of you will have cameras and it would be good to know which ones and what the rules are about what they can cover. I?m told that some legitimate callers object to being seen on them and have taken people to court over it. Is it alright as long as they only cover your own private property and do you still have to put up a notice to warn everyone entering. That would be OK as it would make it more of a deterrent for would-be intruders, like the sight of an alarm system in place. I?ve thought about that too but we live in a quiet area and the idea of false alarms going off, especially at night, puts me off, >> >> Geoff Hawkes >> >> >> > -- > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > +44 7802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Mar 7 02:55:47 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:55:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Upstairs, Downstairs Message-ID: ?In the absence of anything else, I watched 'Upstairs, Downstairs' on Talking Pictures TV (Fv 81) on Friday. Its sponsored by Stilz Homelifts. Neat, eh? By coincidence, Nicola Pagett (Edied from a brain tumour last Thursday, a curious coincidence From mibridge at mac.com Sun Mar 7 02:59:24 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:59:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Home Security Cameras - what are the do's and dont's? Message-ID: <528B2AF2-ECC4-45B2-BA4F-FB90BEF9E606@mac.com> ?As with a lot of technical kit, the problem with recommending things like security cameras is that they have probably progressed significantly over a short time, so that the right choice two or three years ago may well be behind the competition now. But having said that, we bought three from Reo, probably three years, and they have (touch wood) continued to do what it says on the tin since I fitted them. These run from plug-top PSU?s, so a source of power is necessary, but once they have been set up from a PC or Mac via an Ethernet cable, they then rely on wi-fi for the video and audio which can be monitored from anywhere with an internet connection. There are concerns about vulnerability to hackers, but there is password protection and again with fingers crossed, I am unaware of any issue in that respect. Changes in the picture content trigger a local recording on an SD card in each camera and can also be set to send an e-mail alert with a recording of what triggered it. The threshold for the trigger is variable, but, at highish sensitivity, even the sun going in and out causes a recording to be made and an e-mail to be sent. Plants blowing in the wind also register, so a huge number of alerts can be generated, of course, but, at the front of the house, I?ve set one camera with a low threshold, so that it responds as soon as a person or vehicle begins to enter the drive, and the other with a high enough threshold that it needs a person coming up to the front door to register. Most of the time we ignore alerts anyway, because we know nothing untoward has happened whilst we?ve been around, but when we?re not at home, there?s only need to consider a small number of alerts from the second camera and if something seems amiss we can then look at alerts from the other camera at about the same time. We don?t bother with that at all when we?ve just been out for the day, because the burglar alarm telephones me if any of the sensors in the house are triggered, but if we?re on holiday, it?s quite interesting to see who?s been coming and going. I set up a separate gmail account for the camera e-mails and the mail rules send them to their own folders, but it?s a good idea to delete them regularly, or the gmail account will overflow. This probably makes us seem paranoid, but it?s been very much a case of set it up and leave it and I find the live monitoring option useful when we?re expecting a Sainsbury?s delivery or some such, as the office is at the back of the house. The audio gain is quite prodigious and it?s very interesting to hear the conversations of people walking down the road, even though the footpath is fifty or sixty feet from the pavement. You are not supposed to be able to see outside your own property, but I haven?t heard any restrictions on what you can hear and we?ve got a couple of tasteful signs up to show that we have CCTV and our cameras are quite obvious to anybody approaching the house. Should anybody decide to take them out, we would already have received an alert with shots of them approaching. They?re a pretty wide angle and just looking at where they are pointing, it always surprises me how far off axis they can see - it would be impossible to get near them without being seen. If I was choosing again, I would look for something that relied on a PIR sensor to trigger alerts, rather than changes in picture content - I certainly hadn?t bargained on the sun going in and out being registered as an ?event?, but with more than one camera, that?s been manageable. Hope there are some bones to pick out from that lot! Mike G > On 7 Mar 2021, at 02:17, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Hi Geoff, > > The really cheep option is just to invest in some 'CCTV in use ' signage. This in its self is a deterrent, you can get dummy cameras, but often easier not to have anything (Leaving those who see the signs unclear where yiu have hidden the cameras) > > Paul > > On 06/03/2021 23:45, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> Yesterday afternoon we had a couple of suspicious characters in our front garden, who I spotted through the kitchen window. They were casually trying to peep through the fence at the bottom of our neighbour?s garden to see if anyone was in, which fortunately for them, they were. I wish I?d had the presence of mind to grab my camera and take photos but panicked and called the police, hoping they?d come in time to catch them but they saw me watching them and scarpered pretty quick. The police came but by then there was no sign of them anywhere and I?d been told when I rang, to stay indoors and not to go after them for my own safety. >> >> The police asked if we had a security camera, which we don?t and I?m now thinking of getting one. I?m sure some, if not many of you will have cameras and it would be good to know which ones and what the rules are about what they can cover. I?m told that some legitimate callers object to being seen on them and have taken people to court over it. Is it alright as long as they only cover your own private property and do you still have to put up a notice to warn everyone entering. That would be OK as it would make it more of a deterrent for would-be intruders, like the sight of an alarm system in place. I?ve thought about that too but we live in a quiet area and the idea of false alarms going off, especially at night, puts me off, >> >> Geoff Hawkes > -- > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > +44 7802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Mar 7 03:29:00 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:29:00 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Home Security Cameras - what are the do's and dont's? In-Reply-To: <003c01d712e2$c92fa250$5b8ee6f0$@gmail.com> References: <003c01d712e2$c92fa250$5b8ee6f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34DAC1A7F845442988382F7A9DDCDADB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Which? looked at the general considerations of home CCTV quite recently. At risk of in some cases preaching to the already well-informed, I am attaching a Word doc of the item ? it does conclude with mention of the legal aspects of privacy. Dave Newbitt. From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 11:45 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Subject: [Tech1] Home Security Cameras - what are the do's and dont's? Yesterday afternoon we had a couple of suspicious characters in our front garden, who I spotted through the kitchen window. They were casually trying to peep through the fence at the bottom of our neighbour?s garden to see if anyone was in, which fortunately for them, they were. I wish I?d had the presence of mind to grab my camera and take photos but panicked and called the police, hoping they?d come in time to catch them but they saw me watching them and scarpered pretty quick. The police came but by then there was no sign of them anywhere and I?d been told when I rang, to stay indoors and not to go after them for my own safety. The police asked if we had a security camera, which we don?t and I?m now thinking of getting one. I?m sure some, if not many of you will have cameras and it would be good to know which ones and what the rules are about what they can cover. I?m told that some legitimate callers object to being seen on them and have taken people to court over it. Is it alright as long as they only cover your own private property and do you still have to put up a notice to warn everyone entering. That would be OK as it would make it more of a deterrent for would-be intruders, like the sight of an alarm system in place. 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URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Mar 7 06:34:24 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 12:34:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Upstairs, Downstairs In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I only ever worked with Nicola Pagett once, a very long time ago, but I never forgot what a lovely person she was. It was a bit shocking that she was diagnosed with the tumour only three weeks before she died. Upstairs Downstairs was a favourite of ours too. Not so sure I like ?happenstance? though! Had to check if it?s really a word, and it turns out it is if you are North American. You didn?t need it anyway though, as you said it was a coincidence at the start of the sentence! Not that I?m being nit-picky or anything, of course!? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 7 Mar 2021, at 12:03, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? Apologies, here's my complete post. In the absence of anything else, I watched 'Upstairs, Downstairs' on Talking Pictures TV (Fv 81) on Friday. It's sponsored by Stiltz Homelifts. Neat, eh? By coincidence, Nicola Pagett (Elizabeth Bellamy) died from a brain tumour last Thursday. A curious happenstance. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sun Mar 7 07:27:00 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:27:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Upstairs, Downstairs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f30cffd-40dd-63bf-049d-b73766e5b89f@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 07/03/2021 12:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ..... It was a bit shocking that she was diagnosed with the tumour > only three weeks before she died. Glioblastoma - believe me, she would have been grateful. It isn't a good way to go. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Sun Mar 7 10:31:06 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 16:31:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Home Security Cameras - what are the do's and dont's? In-Reply-To: <34DAC1A7F845442988382F7A9DDCDADB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <003c01d712e2$c92fa250$5b8ee6f0$@gmail.com> <34DAC1A7F845442988382F7A9DDCDADB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <14774A76-A551-4C01-A37F-B75A0AD18812@icloud.com> Geoff I installed a Swann 4k system when it was on a very good offer from Costco. I?ve been very pleased with the quality (so many people put cameras in that are almost useless as the resolution is too low). With the ability to monitor remotely on a phone and lots of choices whether you record just when they?re ?triggered? by something/someone means you can get a lot of footage on the hard drive. Happy to let you have more info if you?re interested. I would also recommend adding a top of the range Ring doorbell as a ?belt and braces? option - as we all know, 2 sources are better than 1! One thing I would suggest is getting a system that has POI (power over internet) so you just run 1 cable to each camera. The Swann system was very easy to install and link to the internet/phone. Best wishes, stay safe! Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video Co 07831 515678 > On 7 Mar 2021, at 09:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Which? looked at the general considerations of home CCTV quite recently. At risk of in some cases preaching to the already well-informed, I am attaching a Word doc of the item ? it does conclude with mention of the legal aspects of privacy. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <> > Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 11:45 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> > Cc: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com <> > Subject: [Tech1] Home Security Cameras - what are the do's and dont's? > > Yesterday afternoon we had a couple of suspicious characters in our front garden, who I spotted through the kitchen window. They were casually trying to peep through the fence at the bottom of our neighbour?s garden to see if anyone was in, which fortunately for them, they were. I wish I?d had the presence of mind to grab my camera and take photos but panicked and called the police, hoping they?d come in time to catch them but they saw me watching them and scarpered pretty quick. The police came but by then there was no sign of them anywhere and I?d been told when I rang, to stay indoors and not to go after them for my own safety. > > The police asked if we had a security camera, which we don?t and I?m now thinking of getting one. I?m sure some, if not many of you will have cameras and it would be good to know which ones and what the rules are about what they can cover. I?m told that some legitimate callers object to being seen on them and have taken people to court over it. Is it alright as long as they only cover your own private property and do you still have to put up a notice to warn everyone entering. That would be OK as it would make it more of a deterrent for would-be intruders, like the sight of an alarm system in place. I?ve thought about that too but we live in a quiet area and the idea of false alarms going off, especially at night, puts me off, > > Geoff Hawkes > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It didn't do what it said on the box. Make sure any you buy can be returned easily. And my recent experience with Amazon wasn't favourable in that way - unlike Ebay purchases. In article , Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > Dear All > Can anyone suggest a Scart to HDMI converter please > Albert > Thesis a deal on Amazon: > Scart to HDMI Converter with HDMI Cable,KUYiA Full HD 720P/1080P Switch Video Audio Upscale Converter,SCART In HDMI Out Adaptor for HDTV Monitor Projector STB VHS Xbox PS3 Sky Blu-ray DVD Player > Brand: KUYIA 4.5 out of 5 stars <> 269 ratings | 13 answered questions > Was: ?12.99 > Deal Price: ?9.85 > --Apple-Mail=_906735C8-8E8F-4FEE-AE5A-8B167DA92A77 > Content-Type: multipart/related; > type="text/html"; > boundary="Apple-Mail=_993D8796-BB21-495F-9635-C96877E884FB" -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 8 05:47:17 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 11:47:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV's was SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <60460ec4.1c69fb81.3279d.4f75@mx.google.com> I made a huge (literally) mistake recently. BT Shop were offering a Samsung Smart TV for ?429 ? looked good, except that I didn?t run a tape measure over my sitting room. The TV was a 55? and when it was delivered, I realised ? no way. BT Shop would take it back, but at my expense, as it wasn?t faulty (never even opened the packaging). DHL had delivered, but wouldn?t take it for return, as ?it was oversize for a website booking?. DPD was the same, so I had to go to Parcelforce and it cost me ?60 to send it back to somewhere in North Yorkshire. I must say that the driver was splendid and manhandled the huge package into his van. That?ll teach me to have eyes bigger than my stomach! I did get a full refund of the purchase price, but nowt for the return transport. While on the subject of ?smart? TV?s, I have managed to install the apps for Catch-Up on my small Samsung (22?), with the exception of UK TV Play. No joy, so e-mailed them. Oh, we only support TV?s from 2015 and later, yours is 2014! Thanks a bunch! Samsung no longer make a 22?, which fits neatly on the end of a long bedside table, hence the size required. Regards Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 08 March 2021 11:23 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI Make sure any you buy can be returned easily. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Mar 8 07:06:27 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 13:06:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Driving skills Message-ID: <1347d64e-0989-7963-6159-ded7fedd0f58@btinternet.com> Attached video shows just how good we are in the UK! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: UK drivers v World.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 2802609 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Mar 8 07:11:34 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 13:11:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pam Ayres's latest offering. Message-ID: To Coronavirus.. I'm normally a social girl I love to meet my mates But lately with the virus here We can't go out the gates You see, we are the 'oldies' now We need to stay inside If they haven't seen us for a while They'll think we've upped and died They'll never know the things we did Before we got this old There wasn't any Facebook So not everything was told We may seem sweet old ladies Who would never be uncouth But we grew up in the 60s - If you only knew the truth! There was sex and drugs and rock 'n roll The pill and miniskirts We smoked, we drank, we partied And were quite outrageous flirts Then we settled down, got married And turned into someone's mum, Somebody's wife, then nana, Who on earth did we become? We didn't mind the change of pace Because our lives were full But to bury us before we're dead Is like a red rag to a bull! So here you find me stuck inside For four weeks, maybe more I finally found myself again Then I had to close the door! It didn?t really bother me I'd while away the hour I'd bake for all the family But I've got no flaming flour! Now Netflix is just wonderful I like a gutsy thriller I'm swooning over Idris Or some random sexy killer At least I've got a stash of booze For when I'm being idle There's wine and whiskey, even gin If I'm feeling suicidal! So let's all drink to lockdown To recovery and health And hope this awful virus Doesn't decimate our wealth We'll all get through the crisis And be back to join our mates Just hoping I'm not far too wide To fit through the flaming gates! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Mar 8 07:24:14 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2021 13:24:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] TV's was SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: <60460ec4.1c69fb81.3279d.4f75@mx.google.com> References: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> <60460ec4.1c69fb81.3279d.4f75@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <590a000e97davesound@btinternet.com> I don't often use Amazon - Ebay is my preferred source. As they seem very biased towards the interests of the buyer. I bought some software which also needed specialised hardware for best results. And gave an Amazon UK link for it. Only after ordering and paying did it dawn on me it was coming from the US. A month later it hadn't arrived and had already found UK stock of the item on Ebay - for not much more. So bought that, which arrived a couple of days later and works just fine. Thinking I'd have no trouble returning the one from the US. When it eventually arrived, tried to return it. To be told I'd have to pay the postage (and any duty etc involved) and have 20% deducted as a 'restocking' fee. Put it on Ebay, and got more, including Ebay fees, than I'd have got by returning it. I accept it was my fault for not checking how long it would take to deliver - but that wasn't clear on buying it. Unlike Ebay, where approximate delivery times are clear. BTW, Argos do a 22" Smart TV with all the facilities you'd expect today including Wi-Fi connection for only ?150. But no idea how good or not it is. In article <60460ec4.1c69fb81.3279d.4f75 at mx.google.com>, patheigham wrote: > I made a huge (literally) mistake recently. BT Shop were offering a Samsung Smart TV for ?429 ? looked good, except that I didn?t run a tape measure over my sitting room. The TV was a 55? and when it was delivered, I realised ? no way. BT Shop would take it back, but at my expense, as it wasn?t faulty (never even opened the packaging). DHL had delivered, but wouldn?t take it for return, as ?it was oversize for a website booking?. DPD was the same, so I had to go to Parcelforce and it cost me ?60 to send it back to somewhere in North Yorkshire. I must say that the driver was splendid and manhandled the huge package into his van. > That?ll teach me to have eyes bigger than my stomach! > I did get a full refund of the purchase price, but nowt for the return transport. > While on the subject of ?smart? TV?s, I have managed to install the apps for Catch-Up on my small Samsung (22?), with the exception of UK TV Play. No joy, so e-mailed them. Oh, we only support TV?s from 2015 and later, yours is 2014! Thanks a bunch! Samsung no longer make a 22?, which fits neatly on the end of a long bedside table, hence the size required. > Regards > Pat H > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 08 March 2021 11:23 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Dave Plowman > Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI > Make sure any > you buy can be returned easily. > -- > This email has been checked -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Mar 8 08:39:38 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 14:39:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, When I saw Albert's enquiry and the mention of the Amazon bargain I made a note as, like yourself, I could use a simple means of playback from a VHS into our TV. When you say "it didn't do what it said on the box" do you mean simply that it would not perform this function at all (and was it actually the particular offering referred to in the suggestion)? If so were you aware of there being anything at all that it did do? Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 11:22 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI Good luck, Albert. I bought one to allow a VHS to work into a TV which only had HDMI inputs. It didn't do what it said on the box. Make sure any you buy can be returned easily. And my recent experience with Amazon wasn't favourable in that way - unlike Ebay purchases. In article , Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > Dear All > Can anyone suggest a Scart to HDMI converter please > Albert From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 8 09:34:31 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 15:34:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42543BFE-5CF5-4E4D-96DC-64AF53D42ABC@me.com> My initial reaction was that this wouldn?t be a trivial problem to solve because SCART is an interconnect for analogue technology while HDMI uses digital data. How do these cheap converters work, or am I misunderstanding something? Alan Taylor > On 8 Mar 2021, at 14:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Hi Dave, > > When I saw Albert's enquiry and the mention of the Amazon bargain I made a note as, like yourself, I could use a simple means of playback from a VHS into our TV. > When you say "it didn't do what it said on the box" do you mean simply that it would not perform this function at all (and was it actually the particular offering referred to in the suggestion)? If so were you aware of there being anything at all that it did do? > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 11:22 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Dave Plowman > Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI > > Good luck, Albert. I bought one to allow a VHS to work into a TV which > only had HDMI inputs. It didn't do what it said on the box. Make sure any > you buy can be returned easily. And my recent experience with Amazon > wasn't favourable in that way - unlike Ebay purchases. > > > > In article , > Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> Dear All >> Can anyone suggest a Scart to HDMI converter please >> Albert > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Mon Mar 8 10:27:37 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 16:27:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58C77F3F-531D-4F4D-B202-79273C754EF8@mac.com> Not related to this particular product, I have to say that I?ve been favourably impressed by returns to Amazon ~ I?ve done quite a few and very often the return is free and the refund usually appears on the credit card very shortly after dropping the parcel at our local Hermes agent. I?ve got one ready to go now and although they are charging this time, overall it?s cost me less than driving to the nearest branch of Argos and paying for car parking, both for purchase and return. Mike G > On 8 Mar 2021, at 11:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Good luck, Albert. I bought one to allow a VHS to work into a TV which > only had HDMI inputs. It didn't do what it said on the box. Make sure any > you buy can be returned easily. And my recent experience with Amazon > wasn't favourable in that way - unlike Ebay purchases. > > > > In article , > Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> Dear All >> Can anyone suggest a Scart to HDMI converter please >> Albert > >> Thesis a deal on Amazon: > >> Scart to HDMI Converter with HDMI Cable,KUYiA Full HD 720P/1080P Switch Video Audio Upscale Converter,SCART In HDMI Out Adaptor for HDTV Monitor Projector STB VHS Xbox PS3 Sky Blu-ray DVD Player >> Brand: KUYIA 4.5 out of 5 stars <> 269 ratings | 13 answered questions >> Was: ?12.99 >> Deal Price: ?9.85 > >> --Apple-Mail=_906735C8-8E8F-4FEE-AE5A-8B167DA92A77 >> Content-Type: multipart/related; >> type="text/html"; >> boundary="Apple-Mail=_993D8796-BB21-495F-9635-C96877E884FB" > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Mar 8 10:33:24 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2021 16:33:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: <42543BFE-5CF5-4E4D-96DC-64AF53D42ABC@me.com> References: <42543BFE-5CF5-4E4D-96DC-64AF53D42ABC@me.com> Message-ID: <590a116054davesound@btinternet.com> They are active devices requiring a power supply - usually the common 5v. But HDMI seems very sensitive to lots of things. Don't really understand them all. In article <42543BFE-5CF5-4E4D-96DC-64AF53D42ABC at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > My initial reaction was that this wouldn?t be a trivial problem to solve because SCART is an interconnect for analogue technology while HDMI uses digital data. > How do these cheap converters work, or am I misunderstanding something? > Alan Taylor > > On 8 Mar 2021, at 14:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > > > #Hi Dave, > > > > When I saw Albert's enquiry and the mention of the Amazon bargain I made a note as, like yourself, I could use a simple means of playback from a VHS into our TV. > > When you say "it didn't do what it said on the box" do you mean simply that it would not perform this function at all (and was it actually the particular offering referred to in the suggestion)? If so were you aware of there being anything at all that it did do? > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 11:22 AM > > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Cc: Dave Plowman > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI > > > > Good luck, Albert. I bought one to allow a VHS to work into a TV which > > only had HDMI inputs. It didn't do what it said on the box. Make sure any > > you buy can be returned easily. And my recent experience with Amazon > > wasn't favourable in that way - unlike Ebay purchases. > > > > > > > > In article , > > Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > >> Dear All > >> Can anyone suggest a Scart to HDMI converter please > >> Albert > > > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Mar 8 10:28:52 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2021 16:28:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: References: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <590a10f6cfdavesound@btinternet.com> Didn't work at all. The power LED was on - but a couple of things with SCART which worked into a TV with a SCART didn't into the HDMI one at all, via the adaptor. And tried the combination on another TV with HDMI. In article , David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Dave, > When I saw Albert's enquiry and the mention of the Amazon bargain I made a > note as, like yourself, I could use a simple means of playback from a VHS > into our TV. > When you say "it didn't do what it said on the box" do you mean simply that > it would not perform this function at all (and was it actually the > particular offering referred to in the suggestion)? If so were you aware of > there being anything at all that it did do? > Dave Newbitt. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 11:22 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Dave Plowman > Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI > Good luck, Albert. I bought one to allow a VHS to work into a TV which > only had HDMI inputs. It didn't do what it said on the box. Make sure any > you buy can be returned easily. And my recent experience with Amazon > wasn't favourable in that way - unlike Ebay purchases. > In article , > Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > Dear All > > Can anyone suggest a Scart to HDMI converter please > > Albert -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 8 11:23:10 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 17:23:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sig tunes Message-ID: <60465d7d.1c69fb81.4168b.898a@mx.google.com> We had a discussion about signature tunes ? think it was about the Vision On vibraphone tune that accompanied the children?s art exhibits. One which I love, is the theme for ?Tales of the Unexpected? written by Ron Grainer in ? time. Sky Arts (FV 11) run these from time to time - this afternoon at 1 pm there?s a couple. Very neat stories, none longer than 30 minutes. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 8 11:24:31 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 17:24:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interdepartmental help Message-ID: <60465dcf.1c69fb81.45089.7994@mx.google.com> Whilst working in the film industry, the sound dept was often asked by the make-up and hair depts to mend their radios and cassette recorders. We did so, gladly, as a haircut was the rate of exchange. I had such a good one from Jeanette Freeman, one of the best cutters I?ve met, that everyone noticed. The producer was a bit miffed, as he was paying for all us technician?s time (and also for the batteries provided!). He was sensible enough to realise that these things helped the production to run smoothly. Sometimes, members of the crew, if they could be spared, were pressed into background action (I appear in one of the Bonds!) According to Union rules there had to be a payment (?20) in those days, but it was understood that it was put behind the bar for everyone to have a drink, as not all were able to be an artiste! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Mar 8 11:39:15 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 17:39:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Anne O'Nimity Message-ID: <5701E3E6-F988-4A62-8D9F-7D8ECF1DAF16@mac.com> After a flurry of comments about responding to TechOps messages, things have changed recently, because it used to be the case that if the sender had not signed the message, or if I wanted to know which ?John? it was from, hitting single reply would create a message to the originator, and I believe others have said the same in the past, but now, the system behaves as I think it probably should and hitting single reply just creates a message to TechOps, but the originator of the message is not revealed. So can I request that we all sign off our messages with a name (and surname initial, when more than one contributor has the same moniker). Mike G From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 8 11:48:55 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 17:48:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interdepartmental help In-Reply-To: <60465dcf.1c69fb81.45089.7994@mx.google.com> References: <60465dcf.1c69fb81.45089.7994@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2F318BDC-3A32-4CB2-A9B1-8D2BE78F9276@me.com> There are always some people on the crew who expect make up dept to give them haircuts foc as their right, without offering anything in return. One make up girl was well known for giving half a haircut to such people. She would elegantly style half of the head and then get urgently called away by a colleague. She would leave the guy half done and tell him she will finish it later. Many of the crew knew the routine and whenever the guy with the half haircut returned, she was always called away again on some pretext or another. Alternatively, people in his department would call him away whenever he settles into the chair. If the guy feels embarrassed and asks one of the other girls to finish the cut, they explain that it?s a professional courtesy to let the one who started it finish the job. I?ve seen people walking around with half a haircut for several days, but she always finished it before the end of the week. Alan Taylor > On 8 Mar 2021, at 17:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Whilst working in the film industry, the sound dept was often asked by the make-up and hair depts to mend their radios and cassette recorders. > We did so, gladly, as a haircut was the rate of exchange. 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Very neat stories, none longer than 30 minutes. > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#m_5381798076697566111_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 9 03:20:01 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 09:20:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sig tunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tales of the Unexpected was an iconic series and certainly one to be proud to have been a part of. I used to watch them when they were first transmitted and they were one of the first TV shows where I started to understand how a story is structured. I?ve always known them to be Anglia productions because the dancing girl in the opening titles was always preceded by Anglia?s station ident of the revolving figure of the knight on horseback. My father always insisted that the knight was the east Anglian hero Hereward the Wake, but I was unconvinced as the knight looked to be from a rather later era. I subsequently discovered that it was a statue of the Black Prince, Edward of Woodstock, who had minimal connections with east Anglia. The main flaw with the series as a concept was that the series title tells you that there has to be a twist in the tale, but the standard dramatic device of steering the audience towards a decoy resolution and then at the last moment going off in a different direction won?t really work. If a story develops to strongly suggest that the butler did it, you can be pretty certain that the butler is completely innocent and then it?s often a process of elimination to work out who the real guilty party must be. The best stories in the series had very clever and truly unexpected endings. When we watch many British dramas and movies from half a century ago being televised these days, there is also the added amusement of seeing people who have become internationally famous actors performing in the days when they were just young actors trying to make a living. Alan Taylor > On 8 Mar 2021, at 23:09, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I worked on almost 30 Tales , first as a cameraman then as Unit Manager. I really makes me grit my teeth to see the Granada logo on the end of them - they were all made by Anglia TV except for the few made in the US! > Geoff F >> On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 17:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> We had a discussion about signature tunes ? think it was about the Vision On vibraphone tune that accompanied the children?s art exhibits. >> >> One which I love, is the theme for ?Tales of the Unexpected? >> >> written by Ron Grainer in ? time. >> >> Sky Arts (FV 11) run these from time to time - this afternoon at 1 pm there?s a couple. Very neat stories, none longer than 30 minutes. >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 9 04:12:10 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 10:12:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sig tunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604749fa.1c69fb81.55135.6a80@mx.google.com> I agree with Alan, I knew that ?Tales? was an Anglia production. Maybe Granada bought the rights to re-screen them. Those titles with the silhouette of the dancing girl does remind me of the Bond titles created by Maurice Binder for the earlier ones. He liked to use naked girls and I worked on Roger?s first anamorphic film, therefore the titles had to be reshot in squeezed format. Us Sound Dept set up a playback machine for the title music for them, and it was unsurprising how often we felt it necessary to visit the stage and check that everything was working OK! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 09 March 2021 09:20 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sig tunes Tales of the Unexpected was an iconic series and certainly one to be proud to have been a part of. I used to watch them when they were first transmitted and they were one of the first TV shows where I started to understand how a story is structured.? I?ve always known them to be Anglia productions because the dancing girl in the opening titles was always preceded by Anglia?s station ident of the revolving figure of the knight on horseback. Alan Taylor On 8 Mar 2021, at 23:09, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: ? I worked on almost 30 Tales , first as a cameraman then as Unit Manager. I really makes me grit my teeth to see the Granada logo on the end of them - they were all made by Anglia TV except for the few made in the US! Geoff F On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 17:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: We had a discussion about signature tunes ? think it was about the Vision On vibraphone tune that accompanied the children?s art exhibits. One which I love, is the theme for ?Tales of the Unexpected? written by Ron Grainer in ? time. Sky Arts (FV 11) run these from time to time - this afternoon at 1 pm there?s a couple. Very neat stories, none longer than 30 minutes. ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? 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However they had been tied in knots for shipping and were badly deformed making them unusable. I contacted the email address given for a refund and received a plea direct from China (in badly worded English) not to complain as they were not deformed. I then contacted Amazon direct and a very helpful chap quickly sorted the problem and a refund came promptly. I was never asked to return them and they went to the dump. My regular on line shopping is for gear for the Church PA and for my model railway. I try to use firms direct if possible and not Amazon, but I am amazed at the enormous amount of items Amazon deal in. Dick Blencowe -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 08 March 2021 16:28 To: Tech Ops Cc: Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI Not related to this particular product, I have to say that I?ve been favourably impressed by returns to Amazon ~ I?ve done quite a few and very often the return is free and the refund usually appears on the credit card very shortly after dropping the parcel at our local Hermes agent. I?ve got one ready to go now and although they are charging this time, overall it?s cost me less than driving to the nearest branch of Argos and paying for car parking, both for purchase and return. Mike G > On 8 Mar 2021, at 11:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Good luck, Albert. I bought one to allow a VHS to work into a TV which > only had HDMI inputs. It didn't do what it said on the box. Make sure any > you buy can be returned easily. And my recent experience with Amazon > wasn't favourable in that way - unlike Ebay purchases. > > > > In article , > Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> Dear All >> Can anyone suggest a Scart to HDMI converter please >> Albert > >> Thesis a deal on Amazon: > >> Scart to HDMI Converter with HDMI Cable,KUYiA Full HD 720P/1080P Switch Video Audio Upscale Converter,SCART In HDMI Out Adaptor for HDTV Monitor Projector STB VHS Xbox PS3 Sky Blu-ray DVD Player >> Brand: KUYIA 4.5 out of 5 stars <> 269 ratings | 13 answered questions >> Was: ?12.99 >> Deal Price: ?9.85 > >> --Apple-Mail=_906735C8-8E8F-4FEE-AE5A-8B167DA92A77 >> Content-Type: multipart/related; >> type="text/html"; >> boundary="Apple-Mail=_993D8796-BB21-495F-9635-C96877E884FB" > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 9 04:55:24 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 10:55:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Identifying old photos Message-ID: <9EDEF4DE-A800-48ED-9B16-DD284D53D862@me.com> I suspect that a number of you have researched your family tree. One common aspect of it is that we go through boxes of old photographs and discover that many of them don?t have names written on the back. I recently mentioned facial recognition software in another context, but it can be very helpful in these cases too. Many photo cataloguing systems now employ artificial intelligence systems to put names to faces. You can also use these systems on old photos too. Obviously you can name certain relatives from memory and spot them in other pictures, but the AI system will quickly throw up instances where one particular face has been seen multiple times. Bearing in mind that many old photographs consist of people lined up for wedding pictures or family groups, it?s reasonable to assume that the woman always standing adjacent to great uncle Cyril is likely to be his wife. If a young woman frequently appears in the same groupings on other occasions, then she is probably their daughter and by estimating an age and referring to birth records or census data, you should be able to work out who it is. The AI systems are not completely foolproof, but they work much better than I would have expected them to do. Alan Taylor From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 9 06:13:52 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 12:13:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: <001201d714d1$fb47dc30$f1d79490$@com> References: <5909f4e828davesound@btinternet.com> <58C77F3F-531D-4F4D-B202-79273C754EF8@mac.com> <001201d714d1$fb47dc30$f1d79490$@com> Message-ID: <60476680.1c69fb81.4fdc6.8367@mx.google.com> Like Mike Giles, I too am impressed by Amazon. The company came in for a bit of a lambasting as to how they treat their employees, and one correspondent mentioned that they were a bad taste where he lived as their delivery vans blocked up all the local roads leading to the warehouse. Certainly I have found that it is beneficial to pay the ?7.99 a month for Prime delivery ? if one orders several times a month, one saves on delivery charges, and I recently ordered an item which came same day, on a Sunday! Beat that Royal Mail! Amazon are competitive on price, too. An advance on the costermongers adage of pile it high, sell it cheap. Sell enough, and there?s a profit. Yes, Richard, the range of items they can provide is amazing, but some are held in warehouses by other suppliers, thus a trifle longer to arrive. Have you twigged that the logo has an arrow from ?A? to ?Z?? i.e. they reckon to supply the whole gamut. There is a book, by James Patterson ? ?The Store?, which is about a town which depends on ?the store? providing all their needs ? effectively controlling their lives. It smacks of Amazon?s credence, but worth a read. In this age of lockdown, I am grateful that delivery services proliferate, living alone I get frozen meals delivered by Cook food, wine by Majestic, and a neighbour adds essentials to her Sainsbury?s order. I?ve posted this story, earlier: I received a text message to my mobile, from my bank advising me of a transaction of which they were suspicious. I didn?t call the number displayed, but rang the customer services one from my card. Their fraud dept confirmed that the message was genuine, and it was about a transaction debited to my Mastercard, from Amazon. The bank immediately cancelled the card, sent me a fresh one in three days, and leant on Amazon to refund the debited amount. I would have spotted it, as I tend to check via Internet banking, but Lloyds got there first, probably because I never use Mastercard for Amazon purchases, only Amex. How the scammer got my card details remains a mystery ? probably not a bent Amazon employee for the reason above, but from a Mastercard transaction elsewhere, Is my guess. (I don?t trust the contactless system, although I do use it to prevent touch contamination). Full marks to my bank. Yesterday I got a phone call, thanking me for placing an order with Amazon (not true) and that my account was debited with ?399. Call hung up immediately and I did my usual check of phoning the incoming number displayed to get the regular: ?The number you have dialled has not been recognised? Obvious scam, using a ?borrowed? number. Luckily, we BBC wallahs are fairly alert, but think of the poor elderly folks who get sucked in by these bastards. Grrr Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Blencowe via Tech1 Sent: 09 March 2021 10:50 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Richard Blencowe Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI Hi All, I don't like on line shopping, much prefer going to a shop and seeing the product before buying. Unfortunately so much is not available in shops so forced to use the internet. I have found Amazon ok and returns have not been a problem. On one occasion I ordered a box of various coloured swimming noodles, not for swimming but to make boats for my church Summer Kids Club. They took a long time coming, which was not a problem, being shipped directly from China. However they had been tied in knots for shipping and were badly deformed making them unusable. I contacted the email address given for a refund and received a plea direct from China (in badly worded English) not to complain as they were not deformed. I then contacted Amazon direct and a very helpful chap quickly sorted the problem and a refund came promptly. I was never asked to return them and they went to the dump. My regular on line shopping is for gear for the Church PA and for my model railway. I try to use firms direct if possible and not Amazon, but I am amazed at the enormous amount of items Amazon deal in. Dick Blencowe -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 9 06:26:04 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 12:26:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sig tunes In-Reply-To: <604749fa.1c69fb81.55135.6a80@mx.google.com> References: , <604749fa.1c69fb81.55135.6a80@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It?s all under Granada Media now isn?t it? If that?s still the case, I imagine they own the rights to everything, to do whatever earns them the most money. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 9 Mar 2021, at 10:12, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I agree with Alan, I knew that ?Tales? was an Anglia production. Maybe Granada bought the rights to re-screen them. Those titles with the silhouette of the dancing girl does remind me of the Bond titles created by Maurice Binder for the earlier ones. He liked to use naked girls and I worked on Roger?s first anamorphic film, therefore the titles had to be reshot in squeezed format. Us Sound Dept set up a playback machine for the title music for them, and it was unsurprising how often we felt it necessary to visit the stage and check that everything was working OK! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 09 March 2021 09:20 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sig tunes Tales of the Unexpected was an iconic series and certainly one to be proud to have been a part of. I used to watch them when they were first transmitted and they were one of the first TV shows where I started to understand how a story is structured. I?ve always known them to be Anglia productions because the dancing girl in the opening titles was always preceded by Anglia?s station ident of the revolving figure of the knight on horseback. Alan Taylor On 8 Mar 2021, at 23:09, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: ? I worked on almost 30 Tales , first as a cameraman then as Unit Manager. I really makes me grit my teeth to see the Granada logo on the end of them - they were all made by Anglia TV except for the few made in the US! Geoff F On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 17:23, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: We had a discussion about signature tunes ? think it was about the Vision On vibraphone tune that accompanied the children?s art exhibits. One which I love, is the theme for ?Tales of the Unexpected? written by Ron Grainer in ? time. Sky Arts (FV 11) run these from time to time - this afternoon at 1 pm there?s a couple. Very neat stories, none longer than 30 minutes. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk [cid:image002.png at 01D714CC.AAAFA280]-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 9 10:00:28 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:00:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Oprah interview Harry & Meghan In-Reply-To: <60477886.1c69fb81.e32a0.94c7@mx.google.com> References: <60477886.1c69fb81.e32a0.94c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6900AABC-BD4B-43E8-B4F6-F248A70421C0@mac.com> If you like public slanging matches, then watch it. Megan admits being naive at the outset and failing to do her homework, but I thought the most telling thing was the laughter going on behind the credits - after putting her heart on her sleeve for ages, it seemed as though Megan was saying to Oprah ?well that should put the cat amongst the pigeons!? - but, of course, that?s conjecture on my part. Mike G > On 9 Mar 2021, at 13:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I didn?t watch this ? is it worth viewing time on Catch-up? > Or should it be consigned to the Martin Bashir library of BFA > (Best Forgotten About)? > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 9 10:07:59 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:07:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI In-Reply-To: <60476680.1c69fb81.4fdc6.8367@mx.google.com> References: <60476680.1c69fb81.4fdc6.8367@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6179DA8D-9642-4BF6-885A-B20D40D32725@mac.com> We use the BT Call Protect function to block further unwanted calls and I am surprised at how rarely the system says that the number was not available to add to our Blacklist. Numbers often begin with 00, but I?m not sure that blocking numbers reduces the frequency of calls by much, as the same scams reappear, using different source numbers. Mike G > On 9 Mar 2021, at 12:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Like Mike Giles, I too am impressed by Amazon. The company came in for a bit of a lambasting as to how they treat their employees, and one correspondent mentioned that they were a bad taste where he lived as their delivery vans blocked up all the local roads leading to the warehouse. > Certainly I have found that it is beneficial to pay the ?7.99 a month for Prime delivery ? if one orders several times a month, one saves on delivery charges, and I recently ordered an item which came same day, on a Sunday! Beat that Royal Mail! Amazon are competitive on price, too. An advance on the costermongers adage of pile it high, sell it cheap. Sell enough, and there?s a profit. > Yes, Richard, the range of items they can provide is amazing, but some are held in warehouses by other suppliers, thus a trifle longer to arrive. > Have you twigged that the logo has an arrow from ?A? to ?Z?? > i.e. they reckon to supply the whole gamut. > There is a book, by James Patterson ? ?The Store?, which is about a town which depends on ?the store? providing all their needs ? effectively controlling their lives. It smacks of Amazon?s credence, but worth a read. > In this age of lockdown, I am grateful that delivery services proliferate, living alone I get frozen meals delivered by Cook food, wine by Majestic, and a neighbour adds essentials to her Sainsbury?s order. > > I?ve posted this story, earlier: > I received a text message to my mobile, from my bank advising me of a transaction of which they were suspicious. I didn?t call the number displayed, but rang the customer services one from my card. Their fraud dept confirmed that the message was genuine, and it was about a transaction debited to my Mastercard, from Amazon. The bank immediately cancelled the card, sent me a fresh one in three days, and leant on Amazon to refund the debited amount. I would have spotted it, as I tend to check via Internet banking, but Lloyds got there first, probably because I never use Mastercard for Amazon purchases, only Amex. How the scammer got my card details remains a mystery ? probably not a bent Amazon employee for the reason above, but from a Mastercard transaction elsewhere, Is my guess. (I don?t trust the contactless system, although I do use it to prevent touch contamination). > Full marks to my bank. > Yesterday I got a phone call, thanking me for placing an order with Amazon (not true) and that my account was debited with ?399. Call hung up immediately and I did my usual check of phoning the incoming number displayed to get the regular: ?The number you have dialled has not been recognised? Obvious scam, using a ?borrowed? number. > Luckily, we BBC wallahs are fairly alert, but think of the poor elderly folks who get sucked in by these bastards. > Grrr > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Richard Blencowe via Tech1 > Sent: 09 March 2021 10:50 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Richard Blencowe > Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI > > Hi All, > > I don't like on line shopping, much prefer going to a shop and seeing the product before buying. Unfortunately so much is not available in shops so forced to use the internet. I have found Amazon ok and returns have not been a problem. On one occasion I ordered a box of various coloured swimming noodles, not for swimming but to make boats for my church Summer Kids Club. They took a long time coming, which was not a problem, being shipped directly from China. However they had been tied in knots for shipping and were badly deformed making them unusable. I contacted the email address given for a refund and received a plea direct from China (in badly worded English) not to complain as they were not deformed. I then contacted Amazon direct and a very helpful chap quickly sorted the problem and a refund came promptly. I was never asked to return them and they went to the dump. > > My regular on line shopping is for gear for the Church PA and for my model railway. I try to use firms direct if possible and not Amazon, but I am amazed at the enormous amount of items Amazon deal in. > > Dick Blencowe > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 10:20:02 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:20:02 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Oprah interview Harry & Meghan In-Reply-To: <6900AABC-BD4B-43E8-B4F6-F248A70421C0@mac.com> References: <60477886.1c69fb81.e32a0.94c7@mx.google.com> <6900AABC-BD4B-43E8-B4F6-F248A70421C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <000e01d71500$0faabcf0$2f0036d0$@gmail.com> Oprah revealed to all she's not a real journalist, just an over inflated chat show host. Every single question she asked Meghan was a leading question, feeding her the preferred answer. At times it even appeared rehearsed or pre-planned. A disgraceful bit of television. Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 09 March 2021 16:00 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] Oprah interview Harry & Meghan If you like public slanging matches, then watch it. Megan admits being naive at the outset and failing to do her homework, but I thought the most telling thing was the laughter going on behind the credits - after putting her heart on her sleeve for ages, it seemed as though Megan was saying to Oprah ?well that should put the cat amongst the pigeons!? - but, of course, that?s conjecture on my part. Mike G On 9 Mar 2021, at 13:32, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: ? I didn?t watch this ? is it worth viewing time on Catch-up? Or should it be consigned to the Martin Bashir library of BFA (Best Forgotten About)? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 10:20:53 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:20:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Text messaging ... Message-ID: -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There was a Panorama style program that managed to get a secret camera into one of these call centres to film the guy who was totally a bastard ? didn?t care who he was upsetting as long as he was making money. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 09 March 2021 16:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] SCART TO HDMI We use the BT Call Protect function to block further unwanted calls and I am surprised at how rarely the system says that the number was not available to add to our Blacklist. Numbers often begin with 00, but I?m not sure that blocking numbers reduces the frequency of calls by much, as the same scams reappear, using different source numbers.? Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philiptyler at me.com Tue Mar 9 10:49:43 2021 From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:49:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Oprah interview Harry & Meghan In-Reply-To: <6900AABC-BD4B-43E8-B4F6-F248A70421C0@mac.com> References: <6900AABC-BD4B-43E8-B4F6-F248A70421C0@mac.com> Message-ID: <85F61CFF-E523-4FAB-AA04-010810876C90@me.com> Philip > On 9 Mar 2021, at 16:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > If you like public slanging matches, then watch it. Megan admits being naive at the outset and failing to do her homework, but I thought the most telling thing was the laughter going on behind the credits - after putting her heart on her sleeve for ages, it seemed as though Megan was saying to Oprah ?well that should put the cat amongst the pigeons!? - but, of course, that?s conjecture on my part. > > Mike G > >>> On 9 Mar 2021, at 13:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> I didn?t watch this ? is it worth viewing time on Catch-up? >> Or should it be consigned to the Martin Bashir library of BFA >> (Best Forgotten About)? >> >> Pat H >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If they want to be celebrities, that may be possible now that they have stepped away from being front line royalty, but celebrities don?t get a quiet life. I don?t know what they really want in life and am not convinced that they have a well defined idea about it either. As for The Firm, they will always circle up and look after themselves ( such as with exhibit A: Prince Andrew ). It?s too soon to know what the public think of it all, which I suspect is why Boris Johnson is avoiding talking about it until such time as the public mood becomes clear and he can then join the winning side. It?s often interesting to read foreign newspaper reports about UK stories. The majority of American papers seem to be siding with Harry and Meghan. I didn?t know what to expect from German papers because they are generally very enthusiastic about our royalty, but the German papers seem to be siding with Harry and Meghan too. The allegations of racism have caused much more concern and have been taken more seriously abroad than they have done at home. Maybe that reveals something about attitudes within the UK establishment? The Palace will have to address the allegations of racism in some way and much will depend on exactly what they end up saying. This could have been a catalyst to modernise the Royal Family, but I don?t see that happening now and I don?t see any indications that the next two kings show much enthusiasm to make substantial changes about the monarchy either. Well not voluntarily anyway. Alan Taylor > On 9 Mar 2021, at 16:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > ? > If you like public slanging matches, then watch it. Megan admits being naive at the outset and failing to do her homework, but I thought the most telling thing was the laughter going on behind the credits - after putting her heart on her sleeve for ages, it seemed as though Megan was saying to Oprah ?well that should put the cat amongst the pigeons!? - but, of course, that?s conjecture on my part. > > Mike G > >> On 9 Mar 2021, at 13:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> ? >> I didn?t watch this ? is it worth viewing time on Catch-up? >> Or should it be consigned to the Martin Bashir library of BFA >> (Best Forgotten About)? >> >> Pat H >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With both, I can't see a reason for them, as both sides will lose. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Mar 10 11:19:09 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 17:19:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] iPod nano - A1199 Message-ID: <06A1109B-B819-4936-B4AD-6BF1EFD3671C@me.com> Anyone know anyone who can replace the battery in one of these? It has hugely significant sentimental value. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 10 11:32:41 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 17:32:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] iPod nano - A1199 In-Reply-To: <06A1109B-B819-4936-B4AD-6BF1EFD3671C@me.com> References: <06A1109B-B819-4936-B4AD-6BF1EFD3671C@me.com> Message-ID: Have you looked online to see if Apple still replace them? If you can?t find mention of it, they have telephone or live chat systems where somebody will tell you. Companies who repair iPhones probably do them too. There may be a local company near to you. Many Apple gadgets and phones can have the batteries replaced as a DIY job, but changing the battery on an iPad nano needs some soldering and is quite a delicate operation, however replacement batteries can be sourced from Amazon or eBay if you are able to do that sort of work. Alan Taylor > On 10 Mar 2021, at 17:20, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Anyone know anyone who can replace the battery in one of these? > > It has hugely significant sentimental value. > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From stevewlowry at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 12:09:26 2021 From: stevewlowry at hotmail.com (Steve Lowry) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 18:09:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] iPod nano - A1199 In-Reply-To: <06A1109B-B819-4936-B4AD-6BF1EFD3671C@me.com> References: <06A1109B-B819-4936-B4AD-6BF1EFD3671C@me.com> Message-ID: Hi, A Google search offers services such as this one: https://www.ipodrepairs.co.uk/fix/ipod-nano-2nd-generation YouTube shows how it can be done ?at home?, although there are risks in attempting such a DIY repair, even if the video makes it look easy! https://youtu.be/ZaTbp2Wt8EE eBay offers a choice of battery and tools for the DIY job: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Battery-for-apple-ipod-nano-2-Gen-a1199-450mah-micro-screwing-set-/193409751710?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292 Apple offer the service, at Apple prices, but then, if yours has great sentimental value... https://support.apple.com/en-gb/ipod/repair/service/pricing I hope this helps, Steve On 10 Mar 2021, at 17:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? Anyone know anyone who can replace the battery in one of these? It has hugely significant sentimental value. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 00:36:55 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:36:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Oprah interview Harry & Meghan In-Reply-To: <60477886.1c69fb81.e32a0.94c7@mx.google.com> References: <60477886.1c69fb81.e32a0.94c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I recorded the interview, but have not watched it yet. Judging by newspaper reports, there seems to be little of substance in the TV programme. The important accusations appear to be so vague that it's hard to know what to think. I am reminded of various TV police documentaries in which the veracity of a statement is judged by the amount of detail it contains. I am also reminded of an episode of *Rumpole of the Bailey* in which Eleanor Bron plays the part of an actress. Although she clearly committed the murder, she put on such a good show in court that she convinced the jury she was not guilty. A warning about judging any actor by what he or she says! And was it really pure co-incidence that this Rumpole episode was repeated shortly before the Oprah interview was aired? Harry may have felt obliged to support his wife, and it's hard to know what to make of her claims. So I don't suppose I'll ever know how to judge what was said in the Oprah interview, although many people seem to have made up their minds already. KW On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 13:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I didn?t watch this ? is it worth viewing time on Catch-up? > > Or should it be consigned to the Martin Bashir library of BFA > > (Best Forgotten About)? > > > > Pat H > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_4497053747786740668_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 00:48:41 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:48:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Oprah interview Harry & Meghan In-Reply-To: <60477886.1c69fb81.e32a0.94c7@mx.google.com> References: <60477886.1c69fb81.e32a0.94c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I recorded the interview, but have not watched it yet. Judging by newspaper reports, there seems to be little of substance in the TV programme. The important accusations appear to be so vague that it's hard to know what to think. I am reminded of various TV police documentaries in which the veracity of a statement is judged by the amount of detail it contains. I am also reminded of an episode of *Rumpole of the Bailey* in which Eleanor Bron plays the part of an actress. Although she clearly committed the murder, she put on such a good show in court that she convinced the jury she was not guilty. A warning about judging any actor by what he or she says! And was it really pure co-incidence that this Rumpole episode was repeated shortly before the Oprah interview was aired? Harry may have felt obliged to support his wife, and it's hard to know what to make of her claims. So I don't suppose I'll ever know how to judge what was said in the Oprah interview, although many people seem to have made up their minds already. KW On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 13:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I didn?t watch this ? is it worth viewing time on Catch-up? > > Or should it be consigned to the Martin Bashir library of BFA > > (Best Forgotten About)? > > > > Pat H > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_4497053747786740668_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davelebreton at btinternet.com Thu Mar 11 03:29:32 2021 From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 09:29:32 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Driving hazards! In-Reply-To: <0bf09183-17fb-2269-66a3-d26a45b54958@btinternet.com> References: <0bf09183-17fb-2269-66a3-d26a45b54958@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1CD8741818B04A69BE8FEDEC51D3FB74@DavidPC> I know I was only watching videos but one or two of them made me duck! Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:25 PM To: , ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Subject: Driving hazards! Ooops! I did once see a front wheel come off a Morris Minor on the M45, their front suspension was renowned for it! Cheers, Dave From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 03:34:08 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 09:34:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Topics 5 - your latest compilation Message-ID: <07a967e3-d1e7-8f19-b284-1d362dd115f0@gmail.com> Hi all, The latest collection of your Tech Ops reminiscences is available here: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/03/topics-5/ This is my last compilation of Tech Ops Topics. I would like to publicly thank Bernie so much for the opportunity to work on his Tech Ops website: it has been an honour and a privilege over the past nearly seven years to try to prepare for posterity the spirit of the BBC you all knew. I have enjoyed capturing all your tales of Technical Operations in order to present to ?the world? as realistic as possible an impression of what it was like to work in BBC Television ? from the technical crews? points of view - from the late 1950s through to the present day (and to document some of the influences on our lives).. It was so nice when I first came across Bernie's Tech Ops website, after I had retired,? and my regret is that I had got rid of a lot of BBC-related material ? including Wood Norton notes and the film we made for the end of course programme ? before I found Bernie's Tech Ops site. And let me say, Bernie has been great to work for! The main reason is for my giving up work on the Tech Ops website has been the birth of my granddaughter, Willow! My wife and I want to be fully involved in her growing up.? Willow? is precious and unexpected? - my daughter had lots of problems "down there" over the years: we thought that she would not be able to conceive.? But here is Willow. (nearly four months) _Topics 5 includes:_ "Dr Who" Pilots and Titles Cleopatra Comics and Cutaways Doormen at the BBC ? and at other companies Green Screen Hydrofrolicks Jude the Obscure (1971) The Man Outside Tape Speeds Who's the dummy? Going out with a BANG! ? or a whimper ? Sorry that it is a bit "thinner" than usual! (PS don't worry, I'll still contribute to the ongoing discussions !) /So long, and thanks for all the fish..../ -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Albert > On 11 Mar 2021, at 09:34, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > > The latest collection of your Tech Ops reminiscences is available here: > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/03/topics-5/ > > This is my last compilation of Tech Ops Topics. > > I would like to publicly thank Bernie so much for the opportunity to work on his Tech Ops website: it has been an honour and a privilege over the past nearly seven years to try to prepare for posterity the spirit of the BBC you all knew. > > I have enjoyed capturing all your tales of Technical Operations in order to present to ?the world? as realistic as possible an impression of what it was like to work in BBC Television ? from the technical crews? points of view - from the late 1950s through to the present day (and to document some of the influences on our lives).. > It was so nice when I first came across Bernie's Tech Ops website, after I had retired, and my regret is that I had got rid of a lot of BBC-related material ? including Wood Norton notes and the film we made for the end of course programme ? before I found Bernie's Tech Ops site. And let me say, Bernie has been great to work for! > > The main reason is for my giving up work on the Tech Ops website has been the birth of my granddaughter, Willow! My wife and I want to be fully involved in her growing up. Willow is precious and unexpected - my daughter had lots of problems "down there" over the years: we thought that she would not be able to conceive. But here is Willow. (nearly four months) > > > > > > Topics 5 includes: > > "Dr Who" Pilots and Titles > Cleopatra > Comics and Cutaways > Doormen at the BBC ? and at other companies > Green Screen > Hydrofrolicks > Jude the Obscure (1971) > The Man Outside > Tape Speeds > Who's the dummy? > Going out with a BANG! ? or a whimper ? > > Sorry that it is a bit "thinner" than usual! (PS don't worry, I'll still contribute to the ongoing discussions !) > > So long, and thanks for all the fish.... > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Thu Mar 11 05:24:06 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:24:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Topics 5 - your latest compilation In-Reply-To: <07a967e3-d1e7-8f19-b284-1d362dd115f0@gmail.com> References: <07a967e3-d1e7-8f19-b284-1d362dd115f0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B17F01E-86C7-4EFA-9BFE-107B4126E2D9@icloud.com> Thanks Alec for the latest update and indeed all your efforts over the years. Enjoy your freedom now! Stay safe Graham Maunder > On 11 Mar 2021, at 09:34, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > > The latest collection of your Tech Ops reminiscences is available here: > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/03/topics-5/ > > This is my last compilation of Tech Ops Topics. > > I would like to publicly thank Bernie so much for the opportunity to work on his Tech Ops website: it has been an honour and a privilege over the past nearly seven years to try to prepare for posterity the spirit of the BBC you all knew. > > I have enjoyed capturing all your tales of Technical Operations in order to present to ?the world? as realistic as possible an impression of what it was like to work in BBC Television ? from the technical crews? points of view - from the late 1950s through to the present day (and to document some of the influences on our lives).. > It was so nice when I first came across Bernie's Tech Ops website, after I had retired, and my regret is that I had got rid of a lot of BBC-related material ? including Wood Norton notes and the film we made for the end of course programme ? before I found Bernie's Tech Ops site. And let me say, Bernie has been great to work for! > > The main reason is for my giving up work on the Tech Ops website has been the birth of my granddaughter, Willow! My wife and I want to be fully involved in her growing up. Willow is precious and unexpected - my daughter had lots of problems "down there" over the years: we thought that she would not be able to conceive. But here is Willow. (nearly four months) > > > > > > Topics 5 includes: > > "Dr Who" Pilots and Titles > Cleopatra > Comics and Cutaways > Doormen at the BBC ? and at other companies > Green Screen > Hydrofrolicks > Jude the Obscure (1971) > The Man Outside > Tape Speeds > Who's the dummy? > Going out with a BANG! ? or a whimper ? > > Sorry that it is a bit "thinner" than usual! (PS don't worry, I'll still contribute to the ongoing discussions !) > > So long, and thanks for all the fish.... > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Thu Mar 11 05:37:32 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:37:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Topics 5 - your latest compilation In-Reply-To: <07a967e3-d1e7-8f19-b284-1d362dd115f0@gmail.com> References: <07a967e3-d1e7-8f19-b284-1d362dd115f0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well done Alec for all the work you have put in. As I'm interested in documenting the 'working history' of television, it was your succinct compilations of the forum chat, that brought me to Tech Ops in the first place. Many, many thanks. Dave Taylor On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 09:34, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > > The latest collection of your Tech Ops reminiscences is available here: > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/03/topics-5/ > > > This is my last compilation of Tech Ops Topics. > > I would like to publicly thank Bernie so much for the opportunity to work > on his Tech Ops website: it has been an honour and a privilege over the > past nearly seven years to try to prepare for posterity the spirit of the > BBC you all knew. > I have enjoyed capturing all your tales of Technical Operations in order > to present to ?the world? as realistic as possible an impression of what it > was like to work in BBC Television ? from the technical crews? points of > view - from the late 1950s through to the present day (and to document some > of the influences on our lives).. > > It was so nice when I first came across Bernie's Tech Ops website, after I > had retired, and my regret is that I had got rid of a lot of BBC-related > material ? including Wood Norton notes and the film we made for the end of > course programme ? before I found Bernie's Tech Ops site. And let me say, > Bernie has been great to work for! > > The main reason is for my giving up work on the Tech Ops website has been > the birth of my granddaughter, Willow! My wife and I want to be fully > involved in her growing up. Willow is precious and unexpected - my > daughter had lots of problems "down there" over the years: we thought that > she would not be able to conceive. But here is Willow. (nearly four months) > > > > *Topics 5 includes:* > > "Dr Who" Pilots and Titles > Cleopatra > Comics and Cutaways > Doormen at the BBC ? and at other companies > Green Screen > Hydrofrolicks > Jude the Obscure (1971) > The Man Outside > Tape Speeds > Who's the dummy? > Going out with a BANG! ? or a whimper ? > Sorry that it is a bit "thinner" than usual! (PS don't worry, I'll still contribute to the ongoing discussions !) > *So long, and thanks for all the fish....* > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Very best regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 On 11 Mar 2021, at 09:34, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all, The latest collection of your Tech Ops reminiscences is available here: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/03/topics-5/ This is my last compilation of Tech Ops Topics. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Mar 11 08:50:31 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 14:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] iPod nano - A1199 In-Reply-To: <06A1109B-B819-4936-B4AD-6BF1EFD3671C@me.com> References: <06A1109B-B819-4936-B4AD-6BF1EFD3671C@me.com> Message-ID: <590b9377b7davesound@btinternet.com> In article <06A1109B-B819-4936-B4AD-6BF1EFD3671C at me.com>, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Anyone know anyone who can replace the battery in one of these? > It has hugely significant sentimental value. Some time ago my niece's one failed. She had bought a new one, but just wanted the data from the old. I managed to power it up from my bench top supply. And retrieve the data. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Mar 11 09:13:48 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 15:13:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: <27ad42e6-8136-5e53-aac4-af5eec232260@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <27ad42e6-8136-5e53-aac4-af5eec232260@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <590b959984davesound@btinternet.com> I hosted a Zoom meeting the other day and recorded it. So I could get the best idea of how my new low cost tie clip USB mic worked in comparison to others. And it was how I expected. It certainly minimised room acoustics that can be rather annoying. But was somewhat on the 'woolly' side. Testing it away from Zoom suggested it is nominally flat - not ideal for a tie clip mic. Any easy way to add some 'presence' lift? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 11 09:24:49 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 15:24:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosions Message-ID: There was some recent discussion about explosions. A couple of days ago I saw this video showing how BIG explosions are arranged in movies. https://interestingengineering.com/video/why-real-explosions-dont-look-like-hollywood-movies For those of you who have spent your life in studios, explosions obviously have to be at the ?indoor firework? end of the spectrum, but when on location and especially in remote locations, the SFX people can work on a more spectacular scale, limited mainly by the budget available. The video explains how and why they do what they do. One aspect not shown on that video is using substances like fuller?s earth or bags of cement to blow up and create a massive dust cloud too. I?m not sure if current H&S regulations allow that, but it used to be commonplace in locations where there was no need to clean up the mess afterwards. You get the big mushroom cloud followed by billowing dust and smoke clouds rolling along the ground. When we were shooting Woman in White on location, the last day of shooting was a half day on Nov 6, which meant that the wrap party was going to be on Nov 5th. The location was a large country estate near Sudbury, so it didn?t take a lot of original thinking to come up with the idea of having a bonfire party. There had been a number of unit parties throughout the shoot and each week the crew put a nominal amount of money into a kitty for alcohol. By the end of the shoot, the kitty had built up nicely and somebody asked SFX if they would provide fireworks in exchange for the cash leftover in the kitty. There were two schools of thought about what SFX would deliver for such a paltry sum. It could have been a damp squib or alternatively something akin to the opening salvo of WW3. Fortunately they gathered a lot of ?leftover stuff? from other jobs and it turned out to be the latter. The first thing needed was a bonfire. Art dept donated scenery and other flammable materials, while the riggers toured the estate in land rovers collecting fallen branches. In a very short time a huge bonfire was built and SFX were left to make preparations. On the night, the bonfire was to be lit by the PA Janet Radenkovic, using a script rolled up and lit to make an Olympic style torch. The cast and crew were all marshalled into a roped off viewing area and it soon became clear why. Janet lit a sort of gunpowder trail which fizzed and sparked its way along to the bonfire and when it reached the bonfire triggered a massive explosion. SFX had topped the bonfire with 5 gallons of diesel and petrol, blown up with gelignite, which created a massive mushroom cloud and it felt like it was singeing our eyebrows. The bonfire itself was laced with napalm type jelly and ignited instantly, like you?ve only ever seen happen in a Tom and Jerry cartoon. Then the fireworks started, again on a massive scale with large fireworks being fired from mortars to produce spectacular aerial bursts. One other thing they did was to dig rows of small charges into the ground just in front of the viewing area. They set up a massive flare firework aimed sideways along that line and when it went off, they followed on by detonating the buried charges sequentially in the manner of being strafed by machine guns. None of us were expecting that and it was quite scary for some because they thought that it had gone wrong - which was exactly what they were intended to think. The location had a number of young Dutch ladies working there on exchange conservation attachments. Obviously they were invited to the party and they were hugely impressed by the pyrotechnics. The sparks assured them that it was a typical British fireworks party and pointed to flashes from other ones happening all over the skyline. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Mar 11 09:30:57 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 15:30:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: <590b959984davesound@btinternet.com> References: <27ad42e6-8136-5e53-aac4-af5eec232260@chriswoolf.co.uk> <590b959984davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: You can try emulating one of DPA's pressure build-up heads - a short grilled tube on top of the mic. This might give you the extra HF you need. Chris Woolf On 11/03/2021 15:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I hosted a Zoom meeting the other day and recorded it. So I could get the > best idea of how my new low cost tie clip USB mic worked in comparison to > others. > > And it was how I expected. It certainly minimised room acoustics that can > be rather annoying. But was somewhat on the 'woolly' side. Testing it away > from Zoom suggested it is nominally flat - not ideal for a tie clip mic. > > Any easy way to add some 'presence' lift? > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 11 09:46:32 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 15:46:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: <590b959984davesound@btinternet.com> References: <590b959984davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: If you can use a plug-in filter, that would be the best option, but I don?t know if Zoom and your computer can do that. If you fancy an odd-ball alternative, there is another way to do it which is to create an acoustic filter. The best known example was on the AKG D 109 microphones. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/mbrs/recording_preservation/manuals/AKG%20D-109%20Lavalier%20Dynamic%20Microphone.pdf The clip for attaching the neck loop was about 15mm high and could be extended to surround the microphone. It acted as a resonator to give a little boost to the HF between 2kHz and 6kHz. That boost was just enough to compensate for the microphone being in a less than optimum position. Don?t forget that in those days, some sound desks didn?t have EQ facilities, so the sound needed to be right coming out of the microphone. The clip is shown better here ... https://reverb.com/item/11609042-akg-d109-vintage Unfortunately I can?t find a picture of one with the clip extended. You might be able to improvise something similar out of scrap thin metal or plastic sheet or tubing. Obviously the dimensions will define the frequency it resonates at, but if you reckon on something like 15mm diameter and 12mm tall, you?ll be in the same sort of ball park as what I remember on a D109. After that it?s a matter of listening and adjusting the size. Bigger cavity = lower frequency. Alan Taylor > On 11 Mar 2021, at 15:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I hosted a Zoom meeting the other day and recorded it. So I could get the > best idea of how my new low cost tie clip USB mic worked in comparison to > others. > > And it was how I expected. It certainly minimised room acoustics that can > be rather annoying. But was somewhat on the 'woolly' side. Testing it away > from Zoom suggested it is nominally flat - not ideal for a tie clip mic. > > Any easy way to add some 'presence' lift? > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 11 09:49:20 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 15:49:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This article shows one with the clip extended ... https://martinmitchellsmicrophones.wordpress.com/tag/akg-d109/ Hopefully it makes more sense when you can see it. Alan Taylor > On 11 Mar 2021, at 15:46, Alan Taylor wrote: > > ? > If you can use a plug-in filter, that would be the best option, but I don?t know if Zoom and your computer can do that. > > If you fancy an odd-ball alternative, there is another way to do it which is to create an acoustic filter. The best known example was on the AKG D 109 microphones. > > http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/mbrs/recording_preservation/manuals/AKG%20D-109%20Lavalier%20Dynamic%20Microphone.pdf > > The clip for attaching the neck loop was about 15mm high and could be extended to surround the microphone. It acted as a resonator to give a little boost to the HF between 2kHz and 6kHz. That boost was just enough to compensate for the microphone being in a less than optimum position. Don?t forget that in those days, some sound desks didn?t have EQ facilities, so the sound needed to be right coming out of the microphone. > > The clip is shown better here ... > > https://reverb.com/item/11609042-akg-d109-vintage > > Unfortunately I can?t find a picture of one with the clip extended. > > You might be able to improvise something similar out of scrap thin metal or plastic sheet or tubing. Obviously the dimensions will define the frequency it resonates at, but if you reckon on something like 15mm diameter and 12mm tall, you?ll be in the same sort of ball park as what I remember on a D109. After that it?s a matter of listening and adjusting the size. Bigger cavity = lower frequency. > > Alan Taylor > > >>> On 11 Mar 2021, at 15:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?I hosted a Zoom meeting the other day and recorded it. So I could get the >> best idea of how my new low cost tie clip USB mic worked in comparison to >> others. >> >> And it was how I expected. It certainly minimised room acoustics that can >> be rather annoying. But was somewhat on the 'woolly' side. Testing it away >> from Zoom suggested it is nominally flat - not ideal for a tie clip mic. >> >> Any easy way to add some 'presence' lift? >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 11:46:16 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:46:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: <590b959984davesound@btinternet.com> References: <27ad42e6-8136-5e53-aac4-af5eec232260@chriswoolf.co.uk> <590b959984davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <356c630a-d1e5-b8c0-9d48-4b95b8618ef4@gmail.com> I just tried Voicemeeter Banana (possibly for the second time). It does all kinds of stuff including EQ, but what it also did was howl my system, and I haven't worked out how to stop it, so I've uninstalled it. B On 11/03/2021 15:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I hosted a Zoom meeting the other day and recorded it. So I could get the > best idea of how my new low cost tie clip USB mic worked in comparison to > others. > > And it was how I expected. It certainly minimised room acoustics that can > be rather annoying. But was somewhat on the 'woolly' side. Testing it away > from Zoom suggested it is nominally flat - not ideal for a tie clip mic. > > Any easy way to add some 'presence' lift? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So I could get the > > best idea of how my new low cost tie clip USB mic worked in comparison to > > others. > > > > And it was how I expected. It certainly minimised room acoustics that can > > be rather annoying. But was somewhat on the 'woolly' side. Testing it away > > from Zoom suggested it is nominally flat - not ideal for a tie clip mic. > > > > Any easy way to add some 'presence' lift? > > -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 04:04:16 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:04:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2160ae64-e390-0ef5-7fe1-09fdf2ab14b3@gmail.com> Hi Alan, I have added this email to the Tech Ops Topic "Going out with a BANG! ? or a whimper ?" - it rounds it off nicely! Thank you! -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 12 Mar 2021, at 11:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ?kin?ell! > > Obviously a kamikazi driver. > Or Khazi! > New trousers, please! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alec Bray via Tech1 > Sent: 12 March 2021 10:31 > To: Tech Ops > Cc: Alec Bray > Subject: [Tech1] Alternative ending to The Italian Job? > > Hi all, > > Luckily no gold bullion in the rear of the coach.... > > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 05:42:15 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:42:15 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alternative ending to The Italian Job? 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URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Mar 12 07:07:51 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:07:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic Message-ID: <3A2DCD76-286D-4BBF-80EA-EE6E56FD9073@me.com> Further to my post yesterday, I remembered this explosion picture taken while filming on location for Smith & Jones. I?m on the right of frame with my trusty Ursta Cart. When shooting sequences like this, or something like a car crash, you rarely get a second take, therefore setting the level correctly for an explosion entails a certain amount of informed guesswork. A chat with the SFX people often offers a clue about how loud it will be and after that, the technique is to turn off the limiters and feed the microphone to two channels, with one set at a lower level than the other, just in case. I used to work a lot with the lighting EM John King and we often had a bet about how accurately I could anticipate the explosion level. I would mark chinagraph lines on the PPM at 4 and 6 and if the needle peaked within the lines, he bought me a drink and if it peaked outside, I bought him a drink. He ended up buying me more drinks than I bought him. Guessing the level of an explosion to within +/- 4dB might seem like a tall order, but it?s not as tricky as you might think. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 218907 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- From waresound at msn.com Fri Mar 12 07:49:18 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:49:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: <3A2DCD76-286D-4BBF-80EA-EE6E56FD9073@me.com> References: <3A2DCD76-286D-4BBF-80EA-EE6E56FD9073@me.com> Message-ID: Just out of nosiness, what mic, what recorder and was it via a mixer, and if so, what? (So that we can understand gain structures, clipping, etc.!) Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Mar 2021, at 13:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Further to my post yesterday, I remembered this explosion picture taken while filming on location for Smith & Jones. I?m on the right of frame with my trusty Ursta Cart. When shooting sequences like this, or something like a car crash, you rarely get a second take, therefore setting the level correctly for an explosion entails a certain amount of informed guesswork. A chat with the SFX people often offers a clue about how loud it will be and after that, the technique is to turn off the limiters and feed the microphone to two channels, with one set at a lower level than the other, just in case. I used to work a lot with the lighting EM John King and we often had a bet about how accurately I could anticipate the explosion level. I would mark chinagraph lines on the PPM at 4 and 6 and if the needle peaked within the lines, he bought me a drink and if it peaked outside, I bought him a drink. He ended up buying me more drinks than I bought him. Guessing the level of an explosion to within +/- 4dB might seem like a tall order, but it?s not as tricky as you might think. Alan Taylor [pic] -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 218907 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Mar 12 08:27:52 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 14:27:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hancock Message-ID: <604b7a67.1c69fb81.42005.d103@mx.google.com> Don?t know if anyone watched the (re-run) of Hancock, last night. Very well made, & trying to decide if it was 35mm film. Anyone know? Alfred Molina was believable as Hancock, but every now and then one realised that he wasn?t. I hadn?t known that the film was made and transmitted on BBC1 in 1991! With that story and what we know of Peter Sellers, it does seem that beloved comedy actors are beset with personal problems which affect them. Tony thought that he could go it alone without the writing of Galton & Simpson. Sellers didn?t know who he was, as most of his life was spent in character. I worked with Britt Ekland in 1974, but by that time she was divorced from Sellers, so I didn?t think it was suitable to talk to her about him ? I wasn?t a News of the World journalist! In our industry, we are fortunate to (sometimes) rub shoulders with the ?stars?, but if it wasn?t for us technicians, they wouldn?t make it to the silver screen. There?s a ten point scoresheet of a movie production ? the last one being: ?Reward of the uninvolved?. How true! ?Fiddler? was Oscar nominated for Best Sound, amongst other categories, but my HOD was busy in Rome and could not attend, but those of his crew still in the UK, would have loved to go and accept the eventual award on his behalf. Sadly, I?m the only surviving member of that sound crew. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Mar 12 08:30:53 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 14:30:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4295FD16-D13C-4BF7-BC15-6F220BFBF288@me.com> The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. In those days I normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider faders ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no more than two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer and feed the mics directly into my HHB Portadat. Minimising the stuff between the mic and the recorder tends to reduce the chances of anything screwing up the transients. The SFX people had told me enough so that I could work out that it was going to be more of a woomph than a bang, so I there was little point in using a second, more distant gun mic to pick up the reverberation off the surroundings to make it sound bigger. Besides, it was a terribly noisy location and an ?air? mic would have only gathered more unwanted noises. During the closing ceremony for the commonwealth games in Manchester, my scanner was also covering the 21 gun salute. There was some sort of tie-in with Audio Technica where all microphones had to be from their range. Their rep lent m a stereo pair of large diaphragm capacitor mics, complete with proper Rycote windshields and distant gun mics for ?air? and reverb. The only rehearsal was before the games even started. I set the mics up, turned off the dynamics and EQ on the sound desk and quickly homed in on the optimum gain settings. All settings were carefully noted, but those particular channels were able to be left untouched for the duration of the games and when the closing ceremony was televised, the same mics were put in the same positions and we got some rather splendid howitzer effects peaking a touch less than 6 on the PPM. Alan Taylor > On 12 Mar 2021, at 13:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Just out of nosiness, what mic, what recorder and was it via a mixer, and if so, what? > (So that we can understand gain structures, clipping, etc.!) > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 12 Mar 2021, at 13:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Further to my post yesterday, I remembered this explosion picture taken while filming on location for Smith & Jones. I?m on the right of frame with my trusty Ursta Cart. >> >> When shooting sequences like this, or something like a car crash, you rarely get a second take, therefore setting the level correctly for an explosion entails a certain amount of informed guesswork. A chat with the SFX people often offers a clue about how loud it will be and after that, the technique is to turn off the limiters and feed the microphone to two channels, with one set at a lower level than the other, just in case. >> >> I used to work a lot with the lighting EM John King and we often had a bet about how accurately I could anticipate the explosion level. I would mark chinagraph lines on the PPM at 4 and 6 and if the needle peaked within the lines, he bought me a drink and if it peaked outside, I bought him a drink. He ended up buying me more drinks than I bought him. Guessing the level of an explosion to within +/- 4dB might seem like a tall order, but it?s not as tricky as you might think. >> >> Alan Taylor > [pic] >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Mar 12 08:41:37 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 14:41:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: <4295FD16-D13C-4BF7-BC15-6F220BFBF288@me.com> References: <4295FD16-D13C-4BF7-BC15-6F220BFBF288@me.com> Message-ID: Closing ceremony, Manchester games, taken from Camera 5?s position. ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. In those days I normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider faders ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no more than two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer and feed the mics directly into my HHB Portadat. Minimising the stuff between the mic and the recorder tends to reduce the chances of anything screwing up the transients. > > The SFX people had told me enough so that I could work out that it was going to be more of a woomph than a bang, so I there was little point in using a second, more distant gun mic to pick up the reverberation off the surroundings to make it sound bigger. Besides, it was a terribly noisy location and an ?air? mic would have only gathered more unwanted noises. > > During the closing ceremony for the commonwealth games in Manchester, my scanner was also covering the 21 gun salute. There was some sort of tie-in with Audio Technica where all microphones had to be from their range. Their rep lent m a stereo pair of large diaphragm capacitor mics, complete with proper Rycote windshields and distant gun mics for ?air? and reverb. The only rehearsal was before the games even started. I set the mics up, turned off the dynamics and EQ on the sound desk and quickly homed in on the optimum gain settings. All settings were carefully noted, but those particular channels were able to be left untouched for the duration of the games and when the closing ceremony was televised, the same mics were put in the same positions and we got some rather splendid howitzer effects peaking a touch less than 6 on the PPM. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 12 Mar 2021, at 13:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Just out of nosiness, what mic, what recorder and was it via a mixer, and if so, what? >> (So that we can understand gain structures, clipping, etc.!) >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 12 Mar 2021, at 13:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Further to my post yesterday, I remembered this explosion picture taken while filming on location for Smith & Jones. I?m on the right of frame with my trusty Ursta Cart. >>> >>> When shooting sequences like this, or something like a car crash, you rarely get a second take, therefore setting the level correctly for an explosion entails a certain amount of informed guesswork. A chat with the SFX people often offers a clue about how loud it will be and after that, the technique is to turn off the limiters and feed the microphone to two channels, with one set at a lower level than the other, just in case. >>> >>> I used to work a lot with the lighting EM John King and we often had a bet about how accurately I could anticipate the explosion level. I would mark chinagraph lines on the PPM at 4 and 6 and if the needle peaked within the lines, he bought me a drink and if it peaked outside, I bought him a drink. He ended up buying me more drinks than I bought him. Guessing the level of an explosion to within +/- 4dB might seem like a tall order, but it?s not as tricky as you might think. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >> [pic] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No chance of a level set rehearsal, so, two feeds to different channels at different levels. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 12 March 2021 14:31 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Explosion pic The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. ?In those days I normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider faders ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no more than two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer ?and feed the mics directly into my HHB Portadat. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 09:19:04 2021 From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:19:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I passed this email on to Janet Radenkovic, and she remembers "the bonfire" at Kentwell Hall well.? She also used it to dispose of unwanted scripts - those being the days before recycling. She remembers Alan Taylor, and also Bert Robinson, EM1. This exchange was via my partner, Margot Hayhoe, one time AFM, then Production Manager.? Since her retirement, she has, from time to time, done Extra work, and, relevant to Alan's missive, she worked on the day when SFX "blew up" a bus on Lambeth Bridge for a Jackie Chan film.? She was positioned on the bridge, some way from the bus, facing away (towards Lambeth Palace), and on "action" she started walking.? When the big bang happened, she acted surprised and turned towards the bus - and promptly received a wad of cork in the face!? There was a great outcry about the stunt, because it was relatively soon after genuine terrorist bombings around London.? It was well advertised, but, naturally, the message didn't get through to many people, and those in the vicinity of Westminster thought it was a real outrage. Mike Minchin On 11/03/2021 15:24, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > There was some recent discussion about explosions. ?A couple of days > ago I saw this video showing how BIG explosions are arranged in movies. > > https://interestingengineering.com/video/why-real-explosions-dont-look-like-hollywood-movies > > > For those of you who have spent your life in studios, explosions > obviously have to be at the ?indoor firework? end of the spectrum, but > when on location and especially in remote locations, the SFX people > can work on a more spectacular scale, limited mainly by the budget > available. ?The video explains how and why they do what they do. > > One aspect not shown on that video is using substances like fuller?s > earth or bags of cement to blow up and create a massive dust cloud > too. ?I?m not sure if current H&S regulations allow that, but it used > to be commonplace in locations where there was no need to clean up the > mess afterwards. You get the big mushroom cloud followed by billowing > dust and smoke clouds rolling along the ground. > > When we were shooting Woman in White on location, the last day of > shooting was a half day on Nov 6, which meant that the wrap party was > going to be on Nov 5th. ?The location was a large country estate near > Sudbury, so it didn?t take a lot of original thinking to come up with > the idea of having a bonfire party. > > There had been a number of unit parties throughout the shoot and each > week the crew put a nominal amount of money into a kitty for alcohol. > ?By the end of the shoot, the kitty had built up nicely and somebody > asked SFX if they would provide fireworks in exchange for the cash > leftover in the kitty. ?There were two schools of thought about what > SFX would deliver for such a paltry sum. ?It could have been a damp > squib or alternatively something akin to the opening salvo of WW3. > Fortunately they gathered a lot of ?leftover stuff? from other jobs > and it turned out to be the latter. > > The first thing needed was a bonfire. ?Art dept donated scenery and > other flammable materials, while the riggers toured the estate in land > rovers collecting fallen branches. ?In a very short time a huge > bonfire was built and SFX were left to make preparations. > > On the night, the bonfire was to be lit by the PA Janet Radenkovic, > using a script rolled up and lit to make an Olympic style torch. ?The > cast and crew were all marshalled into a roped off viewing area and it > soon became clear why. ?Janet lit a sort of gunpowder trail which > fizzed and sparked its way along to the bonfire and when it reached > the bonfire triggered a massive explosion. ?SFX had topped the bonfire > with 5 gallons of diesel and petrol, blown up with gelignite, which > created a massive mushroom cloud and it felt like it was singeing our > eyebrows. The bonfire itself was laced with napalm type jelly and > ignited instantly, like you?ve only ever seen happen in a Tom and > Jerry cartoon. > > Then the fireworks started, again on a massive scale with large > fireworks being fired from mortars to produce spectacular aerial > bursts. ?One other thing they did was to dig rows of small charges > into the ground just in front of the viewing area. ?They set up a > massive flare firework aimed sideways along that line and when it went > off, they followed on by detonating the buried charges sequentially in > the manner of being strafed by machine guns. ?None of us were > expecting that and it was quite scary for some because they thought > that it had gone wrong - which was exactly what they were intended to > think. > > The location had a number of young Dutch ladies working there on > exchange conservation attachments. ?Obviously they were invited to the > party and they were hugely impressed by the pyrotechnics. ?The sparks > assured them that it was a typical British fireworks party and pointed > to flashes from other ones happening all over the skyline. > > Alan Taylor > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Luckily there was nobody in the way! 3. This was interesting, I sank a 3d squib into my Dad?s water butt ? a 50 gallon steel drum, balanced on bricks. Dropped it in when it was fizzing well. When it exploded, underwater, it managed to tip the whole thing over. I then began to understand Barnes Wallis? theory of exploding a charge against the dam walls underwater, as water is incompressible. Luckily, my parents never knew of these experiments and were spared having to rescue a scorched, burnt son! Anyone remember the Jetex engines available to power KeilKraft models into the air? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Fri Mar 12 11:09:20 2021 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:09:20 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosions & fireworks References: <604b8f9d.1c69fb81.c02f8.4955@mx.google.com> Message-ID: things we shouldnt do with fire works? we discovered that the ends of the old cast iron drainpipes were a perfect receptor for a tennis ball so seal up the other end. and it was time to let battle comence with our home made mortars as we devided into 2 armies drop lighted banger down pipe, stuff in tennis ball tail aim goodness knows what damage we would have recieved if the cast iron had shattered? Chris From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 12 15:39:30 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 21:39:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! Message-ID: The other night I downloaded a couple of music CDs to continue the series of Caf? del Mar 'Classics', numbers 2 and 3. I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 12 15:58:08 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 21:58:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam Message-ID: <0f6c4baa-873a-52dd-70ef-e4871031a64f@btinternet.com> Nearly all the posted messages on this group are now arriving in my 'Spam' folder. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave From alanaudio at me.com Fri Mar 12 16:25:32 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 22:25:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: <604b802c.1c69fb81.6bfd6.b0a3@mx.google.com> References: <604b802c.1c69fb81.6bfd6.b0a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <86A74E66-8A1F-4606-9118-5A7CC5E36416@me.com> Some people refer to gun mics as lobar mics because the polar diagram has a highly direction lobe at the front and a number of smaller lobes to the sides and rear. Cardioid mics have quite a well defined dead spot at the rear, while hypercardioids have a sort of cottage loaf response, with a small but distinct lobe at the rear. Different lobar mics have different patterns of lobes and those patterns vary with frequency. One brand of lobar mic can sound very different from another brand. Each microphone has various characteristics. I liked the 191 because the off-axis response was still very clean - much quieter than the front, but still clean. Other gun mics sound less good off axis but might have better defined lobes. The biggest downside of the 191 is it?s complexity. There is the mic, the special,lead through the windshield. Another special lead to the matrix box, the matrix box itself and then the output leads to the mixer. If any one of those items were to fail it would be completely useless. Therefore in order to be a practical proposition, I had to buy two kits in order to have a complete set of replacement parts. They are at the upper end of the price range for high quality microphones, so it wasn?t something to do lightly. As it happened I was being over cautious and I don?t think I had any failures, but I often used two of them at once. One particular advantage of a single stereo mic like the 191 is that it?s Rycote windshield is the standard diameter. Using two microphones for stereo usually requires a larger diameter windshield. The extra bulk is not only disadvantageous where space is limited, but is also a problem when used on a long fish pole in windy conditions. A fatter windshield offers much more wind resistance. There is no ?best microphone? for all recordists, just as cameramen will argue about the best lans. The best one is the one that best suits the person using it and the aspects important to one user might not matter to another. Alan Taylor > On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:52, patheigham wrote: > ? > Interesting that the Neumann RSM191 was your choice. > I had one for a while. but did not like it as the back lobe was too sensitive, and not like a cardioid response. > Sold it to a guy in Ireland, and went for the Sennheiser MKH 60/30 rig (I already was using the MKH60, as I preferred it to the 416). > Your tale of feeding the mic with different levels rang home, as I had a shoot on a programme about Gatwick Airport ? one sequence involved all the emergency vehicles belting out of their garage, all bells and sirens going. No chance of a level set rehearsal, so, two feeds to different channels at different levels. > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 12 March 2021 14:31 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Explosion pic > > The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. In those days I normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider faders ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no more than two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer and feed the mics directly into my HHB Portadat. > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Mar 12 17:08:30 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 23:08:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <358AAE06-DE2D-471E-A9BC-3405FCEFEB63@mac.com> Glad to hear that beer is such a good solvent! But beware, Dave, I stopped using ?unfranked? stamps, whether liberated by alcohol or other means, after hearing that there are apparently tell-tale signs, though I don?t recall the detail, and the offence apparently amounts to stealing from the Royal Mail! Would that amount to stealing from Her Majesty? At least offenders against the royal person aren?t sent to the Tower of London nowadays. Mike G > On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > The other night I downloaded a couple of music CDs to continue the series of Caf? del Mar 'Classics', numbers 2 and 3. I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Fri Mar 12 17:09:18 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 23:09:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam In-Reply-To: <0f6c4baa-873a-52dd-70ef-e4871031a64f@btinternet.com> References: <0f6c4baa-873a-52dd-70ef-e4871031a64f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I blame Monty Python myself! Mike G > On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:58, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Nearly all the posted messages on this group are now arriving in my 'Spam' folder. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Mar 12 17:13:19 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 23:13:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: <86A74E66-8A1F-4606-9118-5A7CC5E36416@me.com> References: <604b802c.1c69fb81.6bfd6.b0a3@mx.google.com> <86A74E66-8A1F-4606-9118-5A7CC5E36416@me.com> Message-ID: <678E48DC3885497A9F879157648E01D2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> All these fascinating/hair-raising anecdotes seem to have something in common with Wedding photography ? you only get one shot at it and if you foul up God help you! Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 10:25 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Explosion pic Some people refer to gun mics as lobar mics because the polar diagram has a highly direction lobe at the front and a number of smaller lobes to the sides and rear. Cardioid mics have quite a well defined dead spot at the rear, while hypercardioids have a sort of cottage loaf response, with a small but distinct lobe at the rear. Different lobar mics have different patterns of lobes and those patterns vary with frequency. One brand of lobar mic can sound very different from another brand. Each microphone has various characteristics. I liked the 191 because the off-axis response was still very clean - much quieter than the front, but still clean. Other gun mics sound less good off axis but might have better defined lobes. The biggest downside of the 191 is it?s complexity. There is the mic, the special,lead through the windshield. Another special lead to the matrix box, the matrix box itself and then the output leads to the mixer. If any one of those items were to fail it would be completely useless. Therefore in order to be a practical proposition, I had to buy two kits in order to have a complete set of replacement parts. They are at the upper end of the price range for high quality microphones, so it wasn?t something to do lightly. As it happened I was being over cautious and I don?t think I had any failures, but I often used two of them at once. One particular advantage of a single stereo mic like the 191 is that it?s Rycote windshield is the standard diameter. Using two microphones for stereo usually requires a larger diameter windshield. The extra bulk is not only disadvantageous where space is limited, but is also a problem when used on a long fish pole in windy conditions. A fatter windshield offers much more wind resistance. There is no ?best microphone? for all recordists, just as cameramen will argue about the best lans. The best one is the one that best suits the person using it and the aspects important to one user might not matter to another. Alan Taylor On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:52, patheigham wrote: ? Interesting that the Neumann RSM191 was your choice. I had one for a while. but did not like it as the back lobe was too sensitive, and not like a cardioid response. Sold it to a guy in Ireland, and went for the Sennheiser MKH 60/30 rig (I already was using the MKH60, as I preferred it to the 416). Your tale of feeding the mic with different levels rang home, as I had a shoot on a programme about Gatwick Airport ? one sequence involved all the emergency vehicles belting out of their garage, all bells and sirens going. No chance of a level set rehearsal, so, two feeds to different channels at different levels. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 12 March 2021 14:31 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Explosion pic The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. In those days I normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider faders ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no more than two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer and feed the mics directly into my HHB Portadat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Fri Mar 12 18:15:22 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 00:15:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam In-Reply-To: References: <0f6c4baa-873a-52dd-70ef-e4871031a64f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6CC180A2-467F-43FB-BE62-2CAC7DD45657@btinternet.com> I have the same problem. (Not really a problem though!) Barry. On 12 Mar 2021, at 23:09, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I blame Monty Python myself! > > Mike G > >> On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:58, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Nearly all the posted messages on this group are now arriving in my 'Spam' folder. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 12 18:20:54 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 00:20:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! In-Reply-To: <358AAE06-DE2D-471E-A9BC-3405FCEFEB63@mac.com> References: <358AAE06-DE2D-471E-A9BC-3405FCEFEB63@mac.com> Message-ID: <2bfc0b65-a35e-f800-fb9f-f88bca8f4338@btinternet.com> Thanks for the warning, Mike, the only tell-tale signs I know about are the small cut fingers which might get torn off when peeling the stamp off the envelope. Cheers, Dave. PS. IPA stands for IsoPropyl Alcohol, as if you didn't know! Only use 99.9% for electronic cleaning, not the 70% rub for medical use! On 12/03/2021 23:08, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Glad to hear that beer is such a good solvent! But beware, Dave, I stopped using ?unfranked? stamps, whether liberated by alcohol or other means, after hearing that there are apparently tell-tale signs, though I don?t recall the detail, and the offence apparently amounts to stealing from the Royal Mail! Would that amount to stealing from Her Majesty? At least offenders against the royal person aren?t sent to the Tower of London nowadays. > > Mike G > > >> On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The other night I downloaded a couple of music CDs to continue the series of Caf? del Mar 'Classics', numbers 2 and 3. I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From alanaudio at me.com Fri Mar 12 23:39:49 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 05:39:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! In-Reply-To: <358AAE06-DE2D-471E-A9BC-3405FCEFEB63@mac.com> References: <358AAE06-DE2D-471E-A9BC-3405FCEFEB63@mac.com> Message-ID: <2220078F-71F6-4975-8A77-1782CFBCD000@me.com> Like so many other things, Royal Mail used to be government owned, but got flogged off and privatised. Shares in it were floated on the Stock Exchange in 2013 and the remaining 30% share which the government had initially retained was sold off a couple of years later. If you re-use unfranked stamps, Her Majesty won?t lose any sleep over it, but the share holders might get miffed. Incidentally, despite services being cut back, much to my surprise we had a standard Royal Mail parcel delivered by our usual postman last Sunday. Alan Taylor > On 12 Mar 2021, at 23:08, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > the offence apparently amounts to stealing from the Royal Mail! Would that amount to stealing from Her Majesty? At least offenders against the royal person aren?t sent to the Tower of London nowadays. > > Mike G > From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 13 02:51:10 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:51:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave, it sounds as if you might be better off buying inkjet printable CDR blank discs and print directly onto them. I get through stacks of Taiyo-Yuden 48x inkjet printable discs, available on Amazon @ ?38 per 100 discs. They will burn at 48x, but are said to be optimised for audio at lower speed, say 16x. CD Architect burning software defaults to that in order to conform to ?Red Book? with lowest error-rate, and I?m sure others do too. Ideally you would have a printer such as my Canon MG7100 that has a dedicated CD / DVD print tray (drawer). There are various CD label and insert design software options out there, my fave being CD Label-print, that came with the Canon. For label removal, the most effective and least harmful to plastic surfaces that I?ve found is called Label Remover (funnily enough!) that?s actually a non corrosive product made from orange peel. It comes from CPC. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The other night I downloaded a couple of music CDs to continue the series of Caf? del Mar 'Classics', numbers 2 and 3. I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sat Mar 13 02:52:21 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:52:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam In-Reply-To: <6CC180A2-467F-43FB-BE62-2CAC7DD45657@btinternet.com> References: <6CC180A2-467F-43FB-BE62-2CAC7DD45657@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Do you use Apple Mail, Barry? I do and have separate inboxes for my two usual addresses, but some messages follow my rules, whilst others do not, so Tech Ops messages can end up in either box, for no obvious reason, but they never end up in the Junk folder. Strangely though, replying to your message, Barry, didn?t produce my current usual outcome. I think I?ve mentioned before that it used to be the case that selecting a single Reply would go to the originator of the message only, even if they were unidentified in the original message, whereas Reply All would include the originator, TechOps and any others included in the incoming message. The recent change was that single Reply went to TechOps, not the originator, but as is to be expected, I suppose, for your message single Reply reverted to the old behaviour, namely it only addressed your good self. This surely proves what we really knew already - Barry, you are unique! Mike G > On 13 Mar 2021, at 00:15, Barry Bonner wrote: > > ?I have the same problem. (Not really a problem though!) > Barry. > > > >> On 12 Mar 2021, at 23:09, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I blame Monty Python myself! >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:58, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Nearly all the posted messages on this group are now arriving in my 'Spam' folder. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Mar 13 03:04:14 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:04:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! In-Reply-To: <2bfc0b65-a35e-f800-fb9f-f88bca8f4338@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4tccigmn1avbsniilinn3qpp.1615626254310@pgtmedia.co.uk> The stamp being priced at 1d not in New pence can be a giveaway! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 13 March 2021 00:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: dave.mdv at btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! Thanks for the warning, Mike, the only tell-tale signs I know about are the small cut fingers which might get torn off when peeling the stamp off the envelope. Cheers, Dave. PS. IPA stands for IsoPropyl Alcohol, as if you didn't know! Only use 99.9% for electronic cleaning, not the 70% rub for medical use! On 12/03/2021 23:08, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Glad to hear that beer is such a good solvent! But beware, Dave, I stopped using ?unfranked? stamps, whether liberated by alcohol or other means, after hearing that there are apparently tell-tale signs, though I don?t recall the detail, and the offence apparently amounts to stealing from the Royal Mail! Would that amount to stealing from Her Majesty? At least offenders against the royal person aren?t sent to the Tower of London nowadays. > > Mike G > > >> On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The other night I downloaded a couple of music CDs to continue the series of Caf? del Mar 'Classics', numbers 2 and 3. I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Mar 13 03:40:01 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:40:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c726783-8819-468d-25dd-64f7deaf1bff@btinternet.com> Thanks Nick, when we had regular British Computer Fairs I always bought printable discs but the Verbatim ones I am using now were a 100 'cake' gift from a mate who? didn't need them any more. My printer is a Canon Pixma ip5000 which has a CD printing tray (in the UK version, not in the US one!) I also use Canon's CD Label Print app. The orange smelling label remover is also available from Lidl in the Powerfix range. We also had one in OBs which some people actually hated the smell of! Cheers, Dave. On 13/03/2021 08:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Dave, it sounds as if you might be better off buying inkjet printable CDR blank discs and print directly onto them. I get through stacks of Taiyo-Yuden 48x inkjet printable discs, available on Amazon @ ?38 per 100 discs. They will burn at 48x, but are said to be optimised for audio at lower speed, say 16x. CD Architect burning software defaults to that in order to conform to ?Red Book? with lowest error-rate, and I?m sure others do too. Ideally you would have a printer such as my Canon MG7100 that has a dedicated CD / DVD print tray (drawer). There are various CD label and insert design software options out there, my fave being CD Label-print, that came with the Canon. > > For label removal, the most effective and least harmful to plastic surfaces that I?ve found is called Label Remover (funnily enough!) that?s actually a non corrosive product made from orange peel. It comes from CPC. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?The other night I downloaded a couple of music CDs to continue the series of Caf? del Mar 'Classics', numbers 2 and 3. I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 03:58:57 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:58:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85390AB5-D8C3-4676-9E47-9196396169CA@gmail.com> Interesting tip about how to remove postage stamps but I thought India Pale Ale was sold in pubs and off-licences and didn?t know you could get it from pharmacies, but I suppose it has medicinal uses too, like Guinness that was given to patients in hospital years ago. Knowing Dave, I?m surprised it made it as far as the envelope though - but as the say, there?s many a slip between cup and lip and that?s how unexpected discoveries are made, ? Geoff > On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The other night I downloaded a couple of music CDs to continue the series of Caf? del Mar 'Classics', numbers 2 and 3. I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Mar 13 04:03:07 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:03:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: <86A74E66-8A1F-4606-9118-5A7CC5E36416@me.com> References: <604b802c.1c69fb81.6bfd6.b0a3@mx.google.com> <86A74E66-8A1F-4606-9118-5A7CC5E36416@me.com> Message-ID: <686e1f14-3563-7faf-2de2-7d53f5d2782e@chriswoolf.co.uk> The 191 is a long, long way out of date nowadays. Privately, Neumann admit that it was one of the worst mics they ever produced. Not only is its pattern far from "clean" it also suffers from internal rubber parts that deteriorate and allow the mic to rattle. Repairable, but a nuisance. They had two goes at making the matrix box because the first one failed too frequently. As a DC polarised mic it is terribly susceptible to damp too. It isn't a mic they are proud of. Several mono interference tube mics have been produced since then that are markedly better in pattern performance, and there some good single shank stereo mics now too, that have much better reliability. While a large windshield is slightly harder to hold in difficult conditions it does provide ~much~ better windnoise suppression. The cube law of diameter to noise reduction is massively in your favour. Chris Woolf On 12/03/2021 22:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Some people refer to gun mics as lobar mics because the polar diagram > has a highly direction lobe at the front and a number of smaller lobes > to the sides and rear. ?Cardioid mics have quite a well defined dead > spot at the rear, while hypercardioids have a sort of cottage loaf > response, with a small but distinct lobe at the rear. Different lobar > mics have different patterns of lobes and those patterns vary with > frequency. One brand of lobar mic can sound very different from > another brand. > > Each microphone has various characteristics. I liked the 191 because > the off-axis response was still very clean - much quieter than the > front, but still clean. ?Other gun mics sound less good off axis but > might have better defined lobes. > > The biggest downside of the 191 is it?s complexity. There is the mic, > the special,lead through the windshield. Another special lead to the > matrix box, the matrix box itself and then the output leads to the > mixer. If any one of those items were to fail it would be completely > useless. ?Therefore in order to be a practical proposition, I had to > buy two kits in order to have a complete set of replacement parts. > ?They are at the upper end of the price range for high quality > microphones, so it wasn?t something to do lightly. ?As it happened I > was being over cautious and I don?t think I had any failures, but I > often used two of them at once. > > One particular advantage of a single stereo mic like the 191 is that > it?s Rycote windshield is the standard diameter. Using two microphones > for stereo usually requires a larger diameter windshield. ?The extra > bulk is not only disadvantageous where space is limited, but is also a > problem when used on a long fish pole in windy conditions. ?A fatter > windshield offers much more wind resistance. > > There is no ?best microphone? for all recordists, just as cameramen > will argue about the best lans. ?The best one is the one that best > suits the person using it and the aspects important to one user might > not matter to another. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:52, patheigham wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Interesting that the Neumann RSM191 was your choice. >> >> I had one for a while. but did not like it as the back lobe was too >> sensitive, and not like a cardioid response. >> >> Sold it to a guy in Ireland, and went for the Sennheiser MKH 60/30 >> rig (I already was using the MKH60, as I preferred it to the 416). >> >> Your tale of feeding the mic with different levels rang home, as I >> had a shoot on a programme about Gatwick Airport ? one sequence >> involved all the emergency vehicles belting out of their garage, all >> bells and sirens going. No chance of a level set rehearsal, so, two >> feeds to different channels at different levels. >> >> Pat H >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> *Sent: *12 March 2021 14:31 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Cc: *Alan Taylor >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Explosion pic >> >> The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. ?In those days I >> normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider faders >> ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no more than >> two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer ?and feed the mics directly >> into my HHB Portadat. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 13 06:35:52 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:35:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film Message-ID: I?ve mentioned before, I think, the need to scan 6x6cm negatives. Over many years I have amassed scores of sheets of negs, mainly our GUILD LP and CD cover and recording session pix, recording sessions at Abbey Road, Decca, RAH, RFH, etc, etc. Plus, pix of family, friends, lots of lovelies, King?s Road Chelsea in its hayday, you name it, that Hasselblad went everywhere, from 1968 up until when it and its lenses funded the purchase of a Triumph Spitfire!! But since the demise of film and wet photography, I?ve never found an affordable way of properly digitising 6x6 negs and trannies. Until this week, that is... I?m now the proud owner of an Epson ?Perfection? V600 dedicated flatbed scanner. Said device comes with film carriers for 35mm up to 6x7, mounted or unmounted. And at 600dpi I?m absolutely stunned by the resolution, and the sheer quality it yields from my B&W negs. And the reason it?s good is that you can only scan negs and trannies is by transmission through the film, not by reflection (document scanning), which this does via lightsource in the top cover. I very soon ditched the scanning software though: SilverFast 9 is way quicker, better and more user-friendly. Not a cheap scanner, but as we know, you get what you pay for. It may be available for loan when I?m done. The bummer is, I bought a Plustek 8100 35mm jobby (?222.00) only a couple of months ago! Offers, anyone?! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 13 06:46:51 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:46:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: <686e1f14-3563-7faf-2de2-7d53f5d2782e@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <686e1f14-3563-7faf-2de2-7d53f5d2782e@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: I sold my 191s many years ago, and for a good price too. They were the first truly practical stereo mic as far as I was concerned. I tried lots of other stereo arrangements in the mid 80?s onwards and they were the best option by far at that time. I was fortunate to work on a number of dramas ( cough ... Grange Hill ), where the production teams gave me the freedom to experiment with stereo acquisition, even though what went onto tape was in mono. As a result, I was able to judge what worked in the studio and also on location and discover which techniques were practical in real world conditions. By the time I was required to record a drama in stereo I had already ironed out most of the problems, or at least had rejected the worst options. I never had problems with moisture on my 191s, even though I often worked in adverse conditions and was expecting them to play up. The biggest problem was that the lead between the matrix box and the microphone is unbalanced and prone to interference from things like focus assist transmitters on Steady Cam systems. the interference was a loud digital pulse train sounding a bit like Timecode. It?s completely unusable under those circumstances, so it was important at the planning stage to find out if there was any intention of using Steady Cam. Two factors affect wind suppression. One is the volume of stationary air inside the windshield, which of course increases with a larger diameter, the other is how directional the microphone is. Neumann specifically advise against using a foam windshield inside a Rycote as it reduces the amount of still air inside the windshield, but in windy conditions people frequently add a foam windshield inside the Rycote because they believe two windshields must be even better than one. In extreme winds, the sort where you have difficulty standing upright, I?ve had to swap gun mics for cardioid or even omni capsules inside the Rycote windshield. They need to be mounted as close to the end of the windshield as possible in order to get them closer to the actors, although you do start with a small advantage as a gun mic has the capsule some distance from the front. Ideally the shots need to be adjusted too in order to allow the microphone to be nearer than usual and also to allow the boom op to use a shorter pole because they won?t have a hope in hell of operating a Rycote windshield on a long pole in those sort of conditions. In extreme winds a larger diameter windshield can be useful if your boom op has muscles like Popeye, or else operates the mic hand held without a pole. Wind resistance is proportional to the area times the square of the wind speed, so if the wind speed increases dramatically, a larger windshield is not slightly harder to hold, but becomes almost impossible to use on a fish pole. Gusty winds are the worst because you can?t brace against them and have to deal with the pole flexing too. Here?s a pic from a shoot done adjacent to the Old Harry rocks near Swanage. The entire story was shot on those cliffs. Although this shot was taken in calm conditions, we had some days with extreme winds. The boom op impressed the crew by being able to hold the boom fairly steady under the windiest conditions. She later revealed that she used to be an Olympic swimmer and that boom operating helped to maintain her upper body strength. Alan Taylor > On 13 Mar 2021, at 10:07, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > ? > The 191 is a long, long way out of date nowadays. Privately, Neumann admit that it was one of the worst mics they ever produced. > > Not only is its pattern far from "clean" it also suffers from internal rubber parts that deteriorate and allow the mic to rattle. Repairable, but a nuisance. They had two goes at making the matrix box because the first one failed too frequently. As a DC polarised mic it is terribly susceptible to damp too. It isn't a mic they are proud of. > > Several mono interference tube mics have been produced since then that are markedly better in pattern performance, and there some good single shank stereo mics now too, that have much better reliability. > > While a large windshield is slightly harder to hold in difficult conditions it does provide ~much~ better windnoise suppression. The cube law of diameter to noise reduction is massively in your favour. > > Chris Woolf > > > > On 12/03/2021 22:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Some people refer to gun mics as lobar mics because the polar diagram has a highly direction lobe at the front and a number of smaller lobes to the sides and rear. Cardioid mics have quite a well defined dead spot at the rear, while hypercardioids have a sort of cottage loaf response, with a small but distinct lobe at the rear. Different lobar mics have different patterns of lobes and those patterns vary with frequency. One brand of lobar mic can sound very different from another brand. >> >> Each microphone has various characteristics. I liked the 191 because the off-axis response was still very clean - much quieter than the front, but still clean. Other gun mics sound less good off axis but might have better defined lobes. >> >> The biggest downside of the 191 is it?s complexity. There is the mic, the special,lead through the windshield. Another special lead to the matrix box, the matrix box itself and then the output leads to the mixer. If any one of those items were to fail it would be completely useless. Therefore in order to be a practical proposition, I had to buy two kits in order to have a complete set of replacement parts. They are at the upper end of the price range for high quality microphones, so it wasn?t something to do lightly. As it happened I was being over cautious and I don?t think I had any failures, but I often used two of them at once. >> >> One particular advantage of a single stereo mic like the 191 is that it?s Rycote windshield is the standard diameter. Using two microphones for stereo usually requires a larger diameter windshield. The extra bulk is not only disadvantageous where space is limited, but is also a problem when used on a long fish pole in windy conditions. A fatter windshield offers much more wind resistance. >> >> There is no ?best microphone? for all recordists, just as cameramen will argue about the best lans. The best one is the one that best suits the person using it and the aspects important to one user might not matter to another. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:52, patheigham wrote: >>> ? >>> Interesting that the Neumann RSM191 was your choice. >>> I had one for a while. but did not like it as the back lobe was too sensitive, and not like a cardioid response. >>> Sold it to a guy in Ireland, and went for the Sennheiser MKH 60/30 rig (I already was using the MKH60, as I preferred it to the 416). >>> Your tale of feeding the mic with different levels rang home, as I had a shoot on a programme about Gatwick Airport ? one sequence involved all the emergency vehicles belting out of their garage, all bells and sirens going. No chance of a level set rehearsal, so, two feeds to different channels at different levels. >>> Pat H >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: 12 March 2021 14:31 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Cc: Alan Taylor >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Explosion pic >>> >>> The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. In those days I normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider faders ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no more than two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer and feed the mics directly into my HHB Portadat. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought I would share it with you as it seemed to me to be the epitome?of what a brilliant drone op can do these days! Actually there are two video clips in the article the second one is where the Director and the Drone Op talk about it being "a true one shot clip" and show the drone in question! Enjoy https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-12/hollywood-drone-video-minnesota-bowling-alley/13241718?fbclid=IwAR3khCdP0nybZDcXQqEHLiLvqFppNlSSjVrgr9rt_O87ip_Z_gecgqMTQwI Cheers Brian Curtis Blue Sky Island Media Shanklin IoW -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 689F4ECD3CEB4B448718C0E054A415A1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 33606 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s interesting to note that the 416 was and still is to most people the standard mic as expected by clients on most jobs. Interesting to note too, that despite Sennheiser?s many attempts to render it obsolete, it?s still in production today at ?722 inc VAT from Thomann, or ?732 plus VAT if you prefer to go to Canford Audio. (Maybe we?ll have no choice about that now!) My preference now though, is for the MKH8060 which is lower noise, higher output, and sounds smoother. The term ?gun mic? relates less to the polar pattern of the mic, more to the pistol grip and gunlike appearance. I don?t know where ?lobar? mic comes from - I never heard that one. Portadat. Mine was the timecode version. From day one it had a tendency to unlace the tape when you least expected it! A microswitch under the plastic tape cover flap activated the lace-up/unlace, and mine, despite several return trips to HHB, never got over that problem. Mic preamps were mediochre compared with the Sony PCM2000 which I still have and it still works perfectly. Three times the cost of the Portadat, mind you. Someone did me a big favour when on a commercial at Pinewood one day. Came back from lunch to find the Portadat gone, and thank God the thief didn?t see the PCM2000 under the table. Interestingly, he/she/it had the decency to eject the morning?s takes and leave the tape where I would find it! For me it was to be Sound Devices all the way thereafter, now Zoom F8n. I imagine, Alan, if PPM4 was -20dBFS in your reckoning, you had plenty of headroom, and only the front end to worry about. A fun challenge though. I remember a similar levels challenge on a drama series where the very famous lead actress?s delivery was different on every take, ranging from a shout on one take to a whisper of the same line on the next! Drama, no thanks. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. In those days I normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider faders ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no more than two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer and feed the mics directly into my HHB Portadat. Minimising the stuff between the mic and the recorder tends to reduce the chances of anything screwing up the transients. The SFX people had told me enough so that I could work out that it was going to be more of a woomph than a bang, so I there was little point in using a second, more distant gun mic to pick up the reverberation off the surroundings to make it sound bigger. Besides, it was a terribly noisy location and an ?air? mic would have only gathered more unwanted noises. During the closing ceremony for the commonwealth games in Manchester, my scanner was also covering the 21 gun salute. There was some sort of tie-in with Audio Technica where all microphones had to be from their range. Their rep lent m a stereo pair of large diaphragm capacitor mics, complete with proper Rycote windshields and distant gun mics for ?air? and reverb. The only rehearsal was before the games even started. I set the mics up, turned off the dynamics and EQ on the sound desk and quickly homed in on the optimum gain settings. All settings were carefully noted, but those particular channels were able to be left untouched for the duration of the games and when the closing ceremony was televised, the same mics were put in the same positions and we got some rather splendid howitzer effects peaking a touch less than 6 on the PPM. Alan Taylor On 12 Mar 2021, at 13:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? Just out of nosiness, what mic, what recorder and was it via a mixer, and if so, what? (So that we can understand gain structures, clipping, etc.!) Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Mar 2021, at 13:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Further to my post yesterday, I remembered this explosion picture taken while filming on location for Smith & Jones. I?m on the right of frame with my trusty Ursta Cart. When shooting sequences like this, or something like a car crash, you rarely get a second take, therefore setting the level correctly for an explosion entails a certain amount of informed guesswork. A chat with the SFX people often offers a clue about how loud it will be and after that, the technique is to turn off the limiters and feed the microphone to two channels, with one set at a lower level than the other, just in case. I used to work a lot with the lighting EM John King and we often had a bet about how accurately I could anticipate the explosion level. I would mark chinagraph lines on the PPM at 4 and 6 and if the needle peaked within the lines, he bought me a drink and if it peaked outside, I bought him a drink. He ended up buying me more drinks than I bought him. Guessing the level of an explosion to within +/- 4dB might seem like a tall order, but it?s not as tricky as you might think. Alan Taylor [pic] -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 07:55:02 2021 From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:55:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The things that drones do! In-Reply-To: <604cb956.1c69fb81.4fa54.c084@mx.google.com> References: <604cb956.1c69fb81.4fa54.c084@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Pat Thanks. The pictures of Yarmouth are great. I always appreciate aerial pictures of places I know (on the ground) as they give an extra context to the area like a satellite map shot but better. So many programmes on television are making us of drones these days. Almost obligatory on the "walks around the UK" programmes. Cheers Brian On Sat, 13 Mar 2021, 13:08 patheigham, wrote: > Terrific, Brian, thanks for posting that! > > I recently spoke to a cameraman I used to work with ? he lives in the > I.o.W, too, and has a drone. Sent me some stills of Yarmouth harbour and > Tennyson Down ? excellent quality. > > He explained to me the restrictions imposed by CAA. Apparently there is a > weight regulation and it cannot be flown over people, unless it?s cleared > on behalf of a TV company. > > Best regards > > Pat H > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Brian Curtis via Tech1 > *Sent: *13 March 2021 11:25 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc: *Brian Curtis > *Subject: *[Tech1] The things that drones do! > > > > Hi All > > > > This news article and video clip was in my Facebook feed today. 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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? I sold my 191s many years ago, and for a good price too. They were the first truly practical stereo mic as far as I was concerned. I tried lots of other stereo arrangements in the mid 80?s onwards and they were the best option by far at that time. I was fortunate to work on a number of dramas ( cough ... Grange Hill ), where the production teams gave me the freedom to experiment with stereo acquisition, even though what went onto tape was in mono. As a result, I was able to judge what worked in the studio and also on location and discover which techniques were practical in real world conditions. By the time I was required to record a drama in stereo I had already ironed out most of the problems, or at least had rejected the worst options. I never had problems with moisture on my 191s, even though I often worked in adverse conditions and was expecting them to play up. The biggest problem was that the lead between the matrix box and the microphone is unbalanced and prone to interference from things like focus assist transmitters on Steady Cam systems. the interference was a loud digital pulse train sounding a bit like Timecode. It?s completely unusable under those circumstances, so it was important at the planning stage to find out if there was any intention of using Steady Cam. Two factors affect wind suppression. One is the volume of stationary air inside the windshield, which of course increases with a larger diameter, the other is how directional the microphone is. Neumann specifically advise against using a foam windshield inside a Rycote as it reduces the amount of still air inside the windshield, but in windy conditions people frequently add a foam windshield inside the Rycote because they believe two windshields must be even better than one. In extreme winds, the sort where you have difficulty standing upright, I?ve had to swap gun mics for cardioid or even omni capsules inside the Rycote windshield. They need to be mounted as close to the end of the windshield as possible in order to get them closer to the actors, although you do start with a small advantage as a gun mic has the capsule some distance from the front. Ideally the shots need to be adjusted too in order to allow the microphone to be nearer than usual and also to allow the boom op to use a shorter pole because they won?t have a hope in hell of operating a Rycote windshield on a long pole in those sort of conditions. In extreme winds a larger diameter windshield can be useful if your boom op has muscles like Popeye, or else operates the mic hand held without a pole. Wind resistance is proportional to the area times the square of the wind speed, so if the wind speed increases dramatically, a larger windshield is not slightly harder to hold, but becomes almost impossible to use on a fish pole. Gusty winds are the worst because you can?t brace against them and have to deal with the pole flexing too. Here?s a pic from a shoot done adjacent to the Old Harry rocks near Swanage. The entire story was shot on those cliffs. Although this shot was taken in calm conditions, we had some days with extreme winds. The boom op impressed the crew by being able to hold the boom fairly steady under the windiest conditions. She later revealed that she used to be an Olympic swimmer and that boom operating helped to maintain her upper body Alan Taylor On 13 Mar 2021, at 10:07, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: ? The 191 is a long, long way out of date nowadays. Privately, Neumann admit that it was one of the worst mics they ever produced. Not only is its pattern far from "clean" it also suffers from internal rubber parts that deteriorate and allow the mic to rattle. Repairable, but a nuisance. They had two goes at making the matrix box because the first one failed too frequently. As a DC polarised mic it is terribly susceptible to damp too. It isn't a mic they are proud of. Several mono interference tube mics have been produced since then that are markedly better in pattern performance, and there some good single shank stereo mics now too, that have much better reliability. While a large windshield is slightly harder to hold in difficult conditions it does provide ~much~ better windnoise suppression. The cube law of diameter to noise reduction is massively in your favour. Chris Woolf On 12/03/2021 22:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Some people refer to gun mics as lobar mics because the polar diagram has a highly direction lobe at the front and a number of smaller lobes to the sides and rear. Cardioid mics have quite a well defined dead spot at the rear, while hypercardioids have a sort of cottage loaf response, with a small but distinct lobe at the rear. Different lobar mics have different patterns of lobes and those patterns vary with frequency. One brand of lobar mic can sound very different from another brand. Each microphone has various characteristics. I liked the 191 because the off-axis response was still very clean - much quieter than the front, but still clean. Other gun mics sound less good off axis but might have better defined lobes. The biggest downside of the 191 is it?s complexity. There is the mic, the special,lead through the windshield. Another special lead to the matrix box, the matrix box itself and then the output leads to the mixer. If any one of those items were to fail it would be completely useless. Therefore in order to be a practical proposition, I had to buy two kits in order to have a complete set of replacement parts. They are at the upper end of the price range for high quality microphones, so it wasn?t something to do lightly. As it happened I was being over cautious and I don?t think I had any failures, but I often used two of them at once. One particular advantage of a single stereo mic like the 191 is that it?s Rycote windshield is the standard diameter. Using two microphones for stereo usually requires a larger diameter windshield. The extra bulk is not only disadvantageous where space is limited, but is also a problem when used on a long fish pole in windy conditions. A fatter windshield offers much more wind resistance. There is no ?best microphone? for all recordists, just as cameramen will argue about the best lans. The best one is the one that best suits the person using it and the aspects important to one user might not matter to another. Alan Taylor On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:52, patheigham wrote: ? Interesting that the Neumann RSM191 was your choice. I had one for a while. but did not like it as the back lobe was too sensitive, and not like a cardioid response. Sold it to a guy in Ireland, and went for the Sennheiser MKH 60/30 rig (I already was using the MKH60, as I preferred it to the 416). Your tale of feeding the mic with different levels rang home, as I had a shoot on a programme about Gatwick Airport ? one sequence involved all the emergency vehicles belting out of their garage, all bells and sirens going. No chance of a level set rehearsal, so, two feeds to different channels at different levels. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 12 March 2021 14:31 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Explosion pic The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. 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With Nick's new V600 scanner he presumably obtained bundled Silverfast 9 and has obviously conquered it whereas my older V700 came bundled with SilverFast 8 which I've never got to grips with. I manage well enough with EPSON scan, perhaps because I'm so used to it having previously owned a Perfection 2450 and before that a Perfection 2400. Rugby woes looming if I'm not mistaken. I say that hoping that 'comme d'habitude' my predictions are rubbish! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:35 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film I?ve mentioned before, I think, the need to scan 6x6cm negatives. Over many years I have amassed scores of sheets of negs, mainly our GUILD LP and CD cover and recording session pix, recording sessions at Abbey Road, Decca, RAH, RFH, etc, etc. Plus, pix of family, friends, lots of lovelies, King?s Road Chelsea in its hayday, you name it, that Hasselblad went everywhere, from 1968 up until when it and its lenses funded the purchase of a Triumph Spitfire!! But since the demise of film and wet photography, I?ve never found an affordable way of properly digitising 6x6 negs and trannies. Until this week, that is... I?m now the proud owner of an Epson ?Perfection? V600 dedicated flatbed scanner. Said device comes with film carriers for 35mm up to 6x7, mounted or unmounted. And at 600dpi I?m absolutely stunned by the resolution, and the sheer quality it yields from my B&W negs. And the reason it?s good is that you can only scan negs and trannies is by transmission through the film, not by reflection (document scanning), which this does via lightsource in the top cover. I very soon ditched the scanning software though: SilverFast 9 is way quicker, better and more user-friendly. Not a cheap scanner, but as we know, you get what you pay for. It may be available for loan when I?m done. The bummer is, I bought a Plustek 8100 35mm jobby (?222.00) only a couple of months ago! Offers, anyone?! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 13 08:27:01 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51D8C7D8-A051-49E1-A2C8-D5082F015ABD@me.com> Not so much advice about windshields as an explanation about the difficulties of operating microphones in particularly adverse conditions. A bigger windshield works better, but a small one has less wind resistance. Like so many things, it?s a trade off. Alan Taylor > On 13 Mar 2021, at 14:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Wow, it?s a brave man who offers Chris Woolf advice on windshields!! > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 13 08:39:55 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:39:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <127F8ADF-5EF1-442A-BD55-6E918C21334F@me.com> How things change. A photographer friend of mine decided to buy a scanner, possibly around 1990. The scanner cost a fortune, but was bundled with a free copy of Photoshop 2.0, which he gave to me as he already had Photoshop. He bought a full copy of Photoshop a few years ago and the dealer bundled in a free scanner. Alan Taylor > On 13 Mar 2021, at 14:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Would endorse Nick's comments re this particular family of Epson Perfection scanners. I mentioned in an earlier post that I have the V700 which after several years of usage finds my enthusiasm undiminished. Years ago we used to pay to have some of my wife's artwork professionally photographed on to 5 x 4 origination quality positive film before going to publication and the scanner works well with these. > > Most recently I dug out the Boots the Chemist developed 35 mm colour negs. from three successive stays at Portmeirion in 1997/8/9. It's required a lot of work in Elements 18 to make much of them but the scanner performed admirably. With Nick's new V600 scanner he presumably obtained bundled Silverfast 9 and has obviously conquered it whereas my older V700 came bundled with SilverFast 8 which I've never got to grips with. I manage well enough with EPSON scan, perhaps because I'm so used to it having previously owned a Perfection 2450 and before that a Perfection 2400. > > Rugby woes looming if I'm not mistaken. I say that hoping that 'comme d'habitude' my predictions are rubbish! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:35 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Nick Ware > Subject: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film > > I?ve mentioned before, I think, the need to scan 6x6cm negatives. Over many years I have amassed scores of sheets of negs, mainly our GUILD LP and CD cover and recording session pix, recording sessions at Abbey Road, Decca, RAH, RFH, etc, etc. Plus, pix of family, friends, lots of lovelies, King?s Road Chelsea in its hayday, you name it, that Hasselblad went everywhere, from 1968 up until when it and its lenses funded the purchase of a Triumph Spitfire!! > But since the demise of film and wet photography, I?ve never found an affordable way of properly digitising 6x6 negs and trannies. > Until this week, that is... > I?m now the proud owner of an Epson ?Perfection? V600 dedicated flatbed scanner. Said device comes with film carriers for 35mm up to 6x7, mounted or unmounted. And at 600dpi I?m absolutely stunned by the resolution, and the sheer quality it yields from my B&W negs. And the reason it?s good is that you can only scan negs and trannies is by transmission through the film, not by reflection (document scanning), which this does via lightsource in the top cover. I very soon ditched the scanning software though: SilverFast 9 is way quicker, better and more user-friendly. > Not a cheap scanner, but as we know, you get what you pay for. It may be available for loan when I?m done. > The bummer is, I bought a Plustek 8100 35mm jobby (?222.00) only a couple of months ago! Offers, anyone?! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Mar 13 08:40:24 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:40:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosion pic In-Reply-To: References: <686e1f14-3563-7faf-2de2-7d53f5d2782e@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: On 13/03/2021 14:11, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Wow, it?s a brave man who offers Chris Woolf advice on windshields!! > Nick. Awe, shucks!! Chris W > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 13 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> I sold my 191s many years ago, and for a good price too. ?They were >> the first truly practical stereo mic as far as I was concerned. ?I >> tried lots of other stereo arrangements in the mid 80?s onwards and >> they were the best option by far at that time. I was fortunate to >> work on a number of dramas ( cough ... Grange Hill ), where the >> production teams gave me the freedom to experiment with stereo >> acquisition, even though what went onto tape was in mono. As a >> result, I was able to judge what worked in the studio and also on >> location and discover which techniques were practical in real world >> conditions. ?By the time I was required to record a drama in stereo I >> had already ironed out most of the problems, or at least had rejected >> the worst options. >> >> I never had problems with moisture on my 191s, even though I often >> worked in adverse conditions and was expecting them to play up. The >> biggest problem was that the lead between the matrix box and the >> microphone is unbalanced and prone to interference from things like >> focus assist transmitters on Steady Cam systems. the interference was >> a loud digital pulse train sounding a bit like Timecode. It?s >> completely unusable under those circumstances, so it was important at >> the planning stage to find out if there was any intention of using >> Steady Cam. >> >> Two factors affect wind suppression. One is the volume of stationary >> air inside the windshield, which of course increases with a larger >> diameter, the other is how directional the microphone is. ?Neumann >> specifically advise against using a foam windshield inside a Rycote >> as it reduces the amount of still air inside the windshield, but in >> windy conditions people frequently add a foam windshield inside the >> Rycote because they believe two windshields must be even better than one. >> >> In extreme winds, the sort where you have difficulty standing >> upright, I?ve had to swap gun mics for cardioid or even omni capsules >> inside the Rycote windshield. ?They need to be mounted as close to >> the end of the windshield as possible in order to get them closer to >> the actors, although you do start with a small advantage as a gun mic >> has the capsule some distance from the front. ?Ideally the shots need >> to be adjusted too in order to allow the microphone to be nearer than >> usual and also to allow the boom op to use a shorter pole because >> they won?t have a hope in hell of operating a Rycote windshield on a >> long pole in those sort of conditions. ?In extreme winds a larger >> diameter windshield can be useful if your boom op has muscles like >> Popeye, or else operates the mic hand held without a pole. Wind >> resistance is proportional to the area times the square of the wind >> speed, so if the wind speed increases dramatically, a larger >> windshield is not slightly harder to hold, but becomes almost >> ?impossible to use on a fish pole. Gusty winds are the worst because >> you can?t brace against them and have to deal with the pole flexing too. >> >> Here?s a pic from a shoot done adjacent to the Old Harry rocks near >> Swanage. The entire story was shot on those cliffs. Although this >> shot was taken in calm conditions, we had some days with extreme >> winds. The boom op impressed the crew by being able to hold the boom >> fairly steady under the windiest conditions. ?She later revealed that >> she used to be an Olympic swimmer and that boom operating helped to >> maintain her upper body >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >>> On 13 Mar 2021, at 10:07, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> The 191 is a long, long way out of date nowadays. Privately, Neumann >>> admit that it was one of the worst mics they ever produced. >>> >>> Not only is its pattern far from "clean" it also suffers from >>> internal rubber parts that deteriorate and allow the mic to rattle. >>> Repairable, but a nuisance. They had two goes at making the matrix >>> box because the first one failed too frequently. As a DC polarised >>> mic it is terribly susceptible to damp too. It isn't a mic they are >>> proud of. >>> >>> Several mono interference tube mics have been produced since then >>> that are markedly better in pattern performance, and there some good >>> single shank stereo mics now too, that have much better reliability. >>> >>> While a large windshield is slightly harder to hold in difficult >>> conditions it does provide ~much~ better windnoise suppression. The >>> cube law of diameter to noise reduction is massively in your favour. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> On 12/03/2021 22:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Some people refer to gun mics as lobar mics because the polar >>>> diagram has a highly direction lobe at the front and a number of >>>> smaller lobes to the sides and rear. ?Cardioid mics have quite a >>>> well defined dead spot at the rear, while hypercardioids have a >>>> sort of cottage loaf response, with a small but distinct lobe at >>>> the rear. Different lobar mics have different patterns of lobes and >>>> those patterns vary with frequency. One brand of lobar mic can >>>> sound very different from another brand. >>>> >>>> Each microphone has various characteristics. I liked the 191 >>>> because the off-axis response was still very clean - much quieter >>>> than the front, but still clean. ?Other gun mics sound less good >>>> off axis but might have better defined lobes. >>>> >>>> The biggest downside of the 191 is it?s complexity. There is the >>>> mic, the special,lead through the windshield. Another special lead >>>> to the matrix box, the matrix box itself and then the output leads >>>> to the mixer. If any one of those items were to fail it would be >>>> completely useless. ?Therefore in order to be a practical >>>> proposition, I had to buy two kits in order to have a complete set >>>> of replacement parts. ?They are at the upper end of the price range >>>> for high quality microphones, so it wasn?t something to do lightly. >>>> ?As it happened I was being over cautious and I don?t think I had >>>> any failures, but I often used two of them at once. >>>> >>>> One particular advantage of a single stereo mic like the 191 is >>>> that it?s Rycote windshield is the standard diameter. Using two >>>> microphones for stereo usually requires a larger diameter >>>> windshield. ?The extra bulk is not only disadvantageous where space >>>> is limited, but is also a problem when used on a long fish pole in >>>> windy conditions. ?A fatter windshield offers much more wind >>>> resistance. >>>> >>>> There is no ?best microphone? for all recordists, just as cameramen >>>> will argue about the best lans. ?The best one is the one that best >>>> suits the person using it and the aspects important to one user >>>> might not matter to another. >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12 Mar 2021, at 14:52, patheigham wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> Interesting that the Neumann RSM191 was your choice. >>>>> >>>>> I had one for a while. but did not like it as the back lobe was >>>>> too sensitive, and not like a cardioid response. >>>>> >>>>> Sold it to a guy in Ireland, and went for the Sennheiser MKH 60/30 >>>>> rig (I already was using the MKH60, as I preferred it to the 416). >>>>> >>>>> Your tale of feeding the mic with different levels rang home, as I >>>>> had a shoot on a programme about Gatwick Airport ? one sequence >>>>> involved all the emergency vehicles belting out of their garage, >>>>> all bells and sirens going. No chance of a level set rehearsal, >>>>> so, two feeds to different channels at different levels. >>>>> >>>>> Pat H >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail >>>>> for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>> *Sent: *12 March 2021 14:31 >>>>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> *Cc: *Alan Taylor >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Explosion pic >>>>> >>>>> The mic was a Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mic. ?In those days I >>>>> normally used a Filmtech FSP4 mixer with custom remote slider >>>>> faders ( the mixer had VCAs ), but for explosions covered with no >>>>> more than two mics, I would usually ditch the mixer ?and feed the >>>>> mics directly into my HHB Portadat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Avast logo >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I recently spoke to a cameraman I used to work with ? he lives in the I.o.W, too, and has a drone. Sent me some stills of Yarmouth harbour and Tennyson Down ? excellent quality. He explained to me the restrictions imposed by CAA. Apparently there is a weight regulation and it cannot be flown over people, unless it?s cleared on behalf of a TV company. Best regards Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Brian Curtis via Tech1 Sent: 13 March 2021 11:25 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Brian Curtis Subject: [Tech1] The things that drones do! Hi All This news article and video clip was in my Facebook feed today. I thought I would share it with you as it seemed to me to be the epitome of what a brilliant drone op can do these days! Actually there are two video clips in the article the second one is where the Director and the Drone Op talk about it being "a true one shot clip" and show the drone in question! 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And had a maintenance team to keep them sweet. ;-) At the time, very handy for stereo FX, etc. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Mar 13 09:25:24 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 15:25:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] list settings Message-ID: I've changed the settings again. This line is back to "Poster" - This line is changed from "Munge From" to "Wrap Message" - I have no idea what will happen. Meanwhile, following on from Geoff's never-seen-before picture of me from 1971, here's my current world - making a video in my kitchen in which my wife demonstrates cooking soda bread for an Easter kids thing she normally does live. The gear changes, but the job stays the same (apart from me being director, camera, sound, lighting, editing, graphics and anything else) B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Ware's comments might not make sense if you weren't aware that I was the designer of Rycote's windshields and suspensions since the late 1990 and up till a couple of years ago, when I started doing the same thing for Rode;} I have also had a large hand in the research and science of both windshields and suspensions over the last 20 years - hence Nick's smile. I do understand your point about windage on large windshields - I've poled quite enough blimps to know the problem, I promise. I have been a working operator for a goodly chunk of life. It was even me that put DPA right about their delightful, but hopeless flexible Windpac - the long version folded in half in a moderate wind, and neither could be held in more than a 5mph breeze because they had no aerodynamic balance - something their (subcontracted) design guy had never considered. Neumann's advice about not using a foam shield inside a Rycote actually came from work that Jorg Wuttke of Schoeps did (and I transliterated for him) - the world of audio research is a small and very cooperative one! The theory is absolutely correct, and partly because the "stationary air" explanation isn't actually right - it was busted some time back. The real maths is perimeter-to-capsule distance. That equates to the square law distance of the noise generating surface (the windshield surface) from the mic - the wanted noise source is always a fixed level in relation to that. And because the surface of the shield is near enough to a sphere for calculation purposes, and windnoise is integrated over that surface, it actually comes out to roughly a cube law effect. Hence increasing the spacing slightly produces a much larger improvement in noise suppression than most people imagine, and also explains why spaced shields on personal mics are a bit of a dead loss. I won't bore you with more, I promise! Chris >> On 13 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> wrote: >> > ? > I sold my 191s many years ago, and for a good price too. ?They were > the first truly practical stereo mic as far as I was concerned. ?I > tried lots of other stereo arrangements in the mid 80?s onwards and > they were the best option by far at that time. I was fortunate to work > on a number of dramas ( cough ... Grange Hill ), where the production > teams gave me the freedom to experiment with stereo acquisition, even > though what went onto tape was in mono. As a result, I was able to > judge what worked in the studio and also on location and discover > which techniques were practical in real world conditions. ?By the time > I was required to record a drama in stereo I had already ironed out > most of the problems, or at least had rejected the worst options. > > I never had problems with moisture on my 191s, even though I often > worked in adverse conditions and was expecting them to play up. The > biggest problem was that the lead between the matrix box and the > microphone is unbalanced and prone to interference from things like > focus assist transmitters on Steady Cam systems. the interference was > a loud digital pulse train sounding a bit like Timecode. It?s > completely unusable under those circumstances, so it was important at > the planning stage to find out if there was any intention of using > Steady Cam. > > Two factors affect wind suppression. One is the volume of stationary > air inside the windshield, which of course increases with a larger > diameter, the other is how directional the microphone is. ?Neumann > specifically advise against using a foam windshield inside a Rycote as > it reduces the amount of still air inside the windshield, but in windy > conditions people frequently add a foam windshield inside the Rycote > because they believe two windshields must be even better than one. > > In extreme winds, the sort where you have difficulty standing upright, > I?ve had to swap gun mics for cardioid or even omni capsules inside > the Rycote windshield. ?They need to be mounted as close to the end of > the windshield as possible in order to get them closer to the actors, > although you do start with a small advantage as a gun mic has the > capsule some distance from the front. ?Ideally the shots need to be > adjusted too in order to allow the microphone to be nearer than usual > and also to allow the boom op to use a shorter pole because they won?t > have a hope in hell of operating a Rycote windshield on a long pole in > those sort of conditions. ?In extreme winds a larger diameter > windshield can be useful if your boom op has muscles like Popeye, or > else operates the mic hand held without a pole. Wind resistance is > proportional to the area times the square of the wind speed, so if the > wind speed increases dramatically, a larger windshield is not slightly > harder to hold, but becomes almost ?impossible to use on a fish pole. > Gusty winds are the worst because you can?t brace against them and > have to deal with the pole flexing too. > > Here?s a pic from a shoot done adjacent to the Old Harry rocks near > Swanage. The entire story was shot on those cliffs. Although this shot > was taken in calm conditions, we had some days with extreme winds. The > boom op impressed the crew by being able to hold the boom fairly > steady under the windiest conditions. ?She later revealed that she > used to be an Olympic swimmer and that boom operating helped to > maintain her upper body > > Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net Sat Mar 13 12:56:19 2021 From: clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net (Clive Gulliver) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 18:56:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Explosions & fireworks In-Reply-To: <604b8f9d.1c69fb81.c02f8.4955@mx.google.com> References: <604b8f9d.1c69fb81.c02f8.4955@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1C96787BD4A64281BE331EE04C71351F@CliveHP> I built a Jetex powered balsawood and paper Vulcan (?) bomber. Nosedived on maiden flight ?total write-off! Hours of work wrecked! My Dad made a wire cradle for the Jetex which I could zoom up and down the clothes line! Mich more fun. Clive G From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 3:58 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: patheigham Subject: [Tech1] Explosions & fireworks While on this subject, I tell a few tales against myself. I should have known better, even as a teenager! 1.. Tried to fly a rocket on a control line. Setting it off horizontally, it went faster than I could turn around, the string wound up around me and the firework was fizzing up my nose. 2.. Attempting to emulate the multi-stage USA launches, I tied together three rockets, such that the fire from one would the ignite the next one. Fired it with an electric system, with a five amp fuse wire stuffed up the blue touch paper, across a mains feed. That worked perfectly, but as the balance of the rig was out of kilter, the flight of the first rocket twisted it horizontal and it flew at head height across neighbour?s gardens. Luckily there was nobody in the way! 3.. This was interesting, I sank a 3d squib into my Dad?s water butt ? a 50 gallon steel drum, balanced on bricks. Dropped it in when it was fizzing well. When it exploded, underwater, it managed to tip the whole thing over. I then began to understand Barnes Wallis? theory of exploding a charge against the dam walls underwater, as water is incompressible. Luckily, my parents never knew of these experiments and were spared having to rescue a scorched, burnt son! Anyone remember the Jetex engines available to power KeilKraft models into the air? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Mar 13 13:05:26 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 19:05:26 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17F4CE1271C24A5BA6224A5B79FC6AD6@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> See what I mean? I'm just what England rugby needs! Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 2:18 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware ; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film Would endorse Nick's comments re this particular family of Epson Perfection scanners. I mentioned in an earlier post that I have the V700 which after several years of usage finds my enthusiasm undiminished. Years ago we used to pay to have some of my wife's artwork professionally photographed on to 5 x 4 origination quality positive film before going to publication and the scanner works well with these. Most recently I dug out the Boots the Chemist developed 35 mm colour negs. from three successive stays at Portmeirion in 1997/8/9. It's required a lot of work in Elements 18 to make much of them but the scanner performed admirably. With Nick's new V600 scanner he presumably obtained bundled Silverfast 9 and has obviously conquered it whereas my older V700 came bundled with SilverFast 8 which I've never got to grips with. I manage well enough with EPSON scan, perhaps because I'm so used to it having previously owned a Perfection 2450 and before that a Perfection 2400. Rugby woes looming if I'm not mistaken. I say that hoping that 'comme d'habitude' my predictions are rubbish! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:35 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film I?ve mentioned before, I think, the need to scan 6x6cm negatives. Over many years I have amassed scores of sheets of negs, mainly our GUILD LP and CD cover and recording session pix, recording sessions at Abbey Road, Decca, RAH, RFH, etc, etc. Plus, pix of family, friends, lots of lovelies, King?s Road Chelsea in its hayday, you name it, that Hasselblad went everywhere, from 1968 up until when it and its lenses funded the purchase of a Triumph Spitfire!! But since the demise of film and wet photography, I?ve never found an affordable way of properly digitising 6x6 negs and trannies. Until this week, that is... I?m now the proud owner of an Epson ?Perfection? V600 dedicated flatbed scanner. Said device comes with film carriers for 35mm up to 6x7, mounted or unmounted. And at 600dpi I?m absolutely stunned by the resolution, and the sheer quality it yields from my B&W negs. And the reason it?s good is that you can only scan negs and trannies is by transmission through the film, not by reflection (document scanning), which this does via lightsource in the top cover. I very soon ditched the scanning software though: SilverFast 9 is way quicker, better and more user-friendly. Not a cheap scanner, but as we know, you get what you pay for. It may be available for loan when I?m done. The bummer is, I bought a Plustek 8100 35mm jobby (?222.00) only a couple of months ago! Offers, anyone?! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Mar 13 17:25:12 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:25:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam Message-ID: I have received 16 messages since midnight on the 13th. and all have ended up in my SPAM folder, is this a record? Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Mar 13 17:49:41 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:49:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scanning film negatives In-Reply-To: <17F4CE1271C24A5BA6224A5B79FC6AD6@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <17F4CE1271C24A5BA6224A5B79FC6AD6@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <4ad35918-dafd-694c-f4b1-98ed64a1d783@btinternet.com> My Canon scanner, CanoScan 9950F, comes with several adjustable frames for negative scanning ranging from 5 x strips of 35 mm. , 12 x 5x5 cm., 6 x 9cm. down to 6 x 4.5,? + 12 x 9 cm. and 13 x 5.5 cm. ? at a resolution of 150, 300 and 600? dpi, positive and negative, with Canons own CanoScan program. It came with Silverfast but you had to pay to update it so I stuck with Canon. The trouble is that Linux doesn't have a driver for it! Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 14 03:19:25 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 08:19:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Rugby was Scanning 120 Roll Film In-Reply-To: <17F4CE1271C24A5BA6224A5B79FC6AD6@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <17F4CE1271C24A5BA6224A5B79FC6AD6@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <604dc70c.1c69fb81.57a2f.30b5@mx.google.com> England v. France. Was a good match to watch, but that last try was iffy, I thought. A lot of time was spent looking at the replay from different cameras! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 13 March 2021 19:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film See what I mean? I'm just what England rugby needs! Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 2:18 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware ; dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scanning 120 Roll Film Rugby woes looming if I'm not mistaken. I say that hoping that 'comme d'habitude' my predictions are rubbish! Dave Newbitt. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Mar 14 03:52:38 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 08:52:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Murray Message-ID: <87C17956-4AD8-49E5-BFFC-D3A9136B2680@mac.com> I am very sad to hear of Murray Walker?s passing - one of life?s true gentlemen. I did several Grand Prix with him and James Hunt, back in the day when the tech support was one man, carrying everything required as excess baggage. Traditionally, it had always been an ICR Engineer who went with them, but Dave Wharton encouraged the system to include sound people amongst the pool of candidates. Murray was always most grateful for everything you did to make his job easier and was not averse to helping cart the cases of kit that were required to supplement the host broadcaster?s commentary equipment, unlike the producer of the day, whose prime objective always seemed to be to find hospitality as soon as we got on site and would then be chafing at the bit at the end of the day because we were all in one car and he had to wait whilst the kit had to be packed up - he would then march ahead without offering any help, whilst Murray took as much stuff as he was able. I have two very significant memories from the trips I did. On one occasion, during the race, I was under the commentary desk, chasing a failed coord circuit, when it seemed as though someone had tipped over a bottle of luke warm water which was now making me quite wet - as I crawled out I discovered that what was dripping on me was in fact Murray?s sweat - still warm! The other occasion I count as one of the highlights of my time with Aunty Beeb. After one event in the south of France, the producer had brought his wife along as they were going on holiday immediately after the race, so it was only Murray and me to fly back to the UK. For some reason, we couldn?t use the airport nearest Marseille which he had flown in to, so Murray drove me from Marseille to Nice, through gorgeous Mediterranean countryside on a fabulous day. What a raconteur! The tales he told during those few hours would fill a book, if only I could remember them all. I think it was that event where I got back to TV Centre to find some consternation amongst the ICR guys, because I had managed a recording of the pit to car radio during the race, which apparently the producer had been angling to get for some time without success. It was one of those occasions when I was pilloried (with all good humour, I hasten to add) because henceforth it would always be expected! Good old Murray - nothing can stop him now - or perhaps it can. Mike G From waresound at msn.com Sun Mar 14 05:46:35 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:46:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam and mapS In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: ? Surveying local maps and estate agents? windows when we were looking to move house a few months ago, we came across this one (pic). Apart from looking to die for and worth robbing a bank for, it includes a swimming pool, fishing lake, tennis court (obvs.), stables, paddocks, heli-pad, staff accomodation, and a few other little perks. After much thought we decided it might be too much of a downsize for us, so decided against it. And besides, despite the moat at the front it?s a bit close to the road. Not that the road goes anywhere that heavy traffic can go. But the thing is, what crimes etc., do you have to commit to affort such a place? Oh, yes, how silly of me - just a few No1 hits in the pop charts! Cheers, Nick.[cid:D811B91B-E6C6-4A68-8C21-935B14547491]Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Mar 2021, at 23:25, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ?I have received 16 messages since midnight on the 13th. and all have ended up in my SPAM folder, is this a record? 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And besides, despite the moat at the front it?s a bit close to the road. Not that the road goes anywhere that heavy traffic can go. But the thing is, what crimes etc., do you have to commit to affort such a place? Oh, yes, how silly of me - just a few No1 hits in the pop charts! Cheers, Nick.[cid:D811B91B-E6C6-4A68-8C21-935B14547491]Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini On 13 Mar 2021, at 23:25, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ?I have received 16 messages since midnight on the 13th. and all have ended up in my SPAM folder, is this a record? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431718 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 06:49:33 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:49:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Feeling guilty. Message-ID: <590d0e6846davesound@btinternet.com> Next door neighbour is a 89 year old widow, who I get on very well with. But because of Covid haven't seen as much of her as usual. But she does have two daughters and grand kids, who live locally, and one daughter visits near every day. I'm told she has got very frail over the past few months, both physically and mentally. Have discovered she woke up yesterday to no electricity. And couldn't phone for help because her phone is cordless - and no mobile. Daughter called in the evening to discover what had happened, and called the leccy people. She rang my doorbell at about 23.30 and asked me to move my car to allow an emergency generator to be parked up - seems the supply cable to the house had failed. The wiring and much else in that house are long past their reasonable life, but she was born in it and determined to die in it. I'm feeling guilty because she spent all day without power - although hopefully still had a working gas fire. But no cooker, which is electric - or means to make a cup of tea. But since terrified to leave her house for the last few months, she didn't even ask me for help. And had to wait a day for assistance for her daughter. Any ideas how, in the future, she could contact me in such an emergency? I'm not sure she could learn how to use a mobile phone now. BTW, she will no longer answer her door. I know because I've tried. Her kids have their own key. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From nick at nickway.co.uk Sun Mar 14 07:10:16 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (nick at nickway.co.uk) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:10:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Feeling_guilty=2E?= In-Reply-To: <590d0e6846davesound@btinternet.com> References: <590d0e6846davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Sun Mar 14 07:15:11 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (nick at nickway.co.uk) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:15:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Murray?= In-Reply-To: <87C17956-4AD8-49E5-BFFC-D3A9136B2680@mac.com> References: <87C17956-4AD8-49E5-BFFC-D3A9136B2680@mac.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 07:19:34 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 12:19:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Feeling guilty. In-Reply-To: References: <590d0e6846davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <590d1127ebdavesound@btinternet.com> Some years ago, I installed the cordless phones for her. The original wired phone being in the very cold hall. I added a phone extension socket in the lounge, and a mains socket for the base station - and knew then what a state the mains wiring was in. The wired phone still worked as normal then - but noticed on a later visit it had been removed. In article , nick--- via Tech1 wrote: > --===============3471164040844805798== Content-Type: text/html; > charset=UTF-8 > Have you a spare cabled phone? > Nick WAY--Sent from my Android phone with 1&1 Mail. Please excuse my > brevity. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 07:41:42 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 12:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] list settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <590d132e5fdavesound@btinternet.com> Dunno if it's down to that, but on my thread 'Feeling Guilty' I've received 4 replies from different people direct to me and by the headers only sent to my personal email address. In article , Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I've changed the settings again. > This line is back to "Poster" - > This line is changed from "Munge From" to "Wrap Message" - > I have no idea what will happen. > Meanwhile, following on from Geoff's never-seen-before picture of me > from 1971, here's my current world - making a video in my kitchen in > which my wife demonstrates cooking soda bread for an Easter kids thing > she normally does live. The gear changes, but the job stays the same > (apart from me being director, camera, sound, lighting, editing, > graphics and anything else) > B > --------------95FFBD8355D7C74460FFD9EF > Content-Type: multipart/related; > boundary="------------D5B30C2C799E9081318ED10E" -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 14 08:11:15 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:11:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604e0b72.1c69fb81.72ce8.dc87@mx.google.com> Looking at the date and time you posted the message, I wonder if you have Tardis in your back garden? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 13 March 2021 23:25 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Spam I have received 16 messages since midnight on the 13th. and all have ended up in my SPAM folder, is this a record? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 09:07:03 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:07:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam Message-ID: <8bb7be38-4d23-b769-6c10-79e59e3b2731@btinternet.com> Another 13 e-mails today, all ending up in my Spam folder! Cheers, Dave From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Mar 14 09:29:06 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:29:06 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam and mapS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F7160603F8842A3A242E11FA5BE74D0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> You don?t mention a price but I suspect it would have been a shilling or two more than this one from 1936:- Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:49 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Spam and mapS ?Surveying local maps and estate agents? windows when we were looking to move house a few months ago, we came across this one (pic). Apart from looking to die for and worth robbing a bank for, it includes a swimming pool, fishing lake, tennis court (obvs.), stables, paddocks, heli-pad, staff accomodation, and a few other little perks. After much thought we decided it might be too much of a downsize for us, so decided against it. And besides, despite the moat at the front it?s a bit close to the road. Not that the road goes anywhere that heavy traffic can go. But the thing is, what crimes etc., do you have to commit to affort such a place? Oh, yes, how silly of me - just a few No1 hits in the pop charts! Cheers, Nick.Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini On 13 Mar 2021, at 23:25, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ?I have received 16 messages since midnight on the 13th. and all have ended up in my SPAM folder, is this a record? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1936%20House%20for%20sale[3].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 194106 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Mar 14 10:02:04 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:02:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Feeling guilty. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E890B3E-258A-48CB-8BFA-C7C6E77BC5CC@mac.com> How about a wireless door bell - bell-push in her house of course! We have one mains receiver and one battery which works at the bottom of the garden. Mike G > On 14 Mar 2021, at 12:10, nick--- via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Have you a spare cabled phone? > Nick WAY > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with 1&1 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> On 14/03/2021, 15:50 Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Next door neighbour is a 89 year old widow, who I get on very well with. >> But because of Covid haven't seen as much of her as usual. But she does >> have two daughters and grand kids, who live locally, and one daughter >> visits near every day. I'm told she has got very frail over the past few >> months, both physically and mentally. >> >> Have discovered she woke up yesterday to no electricity. And couldn't >> phone for help because her phone is cordless - and no mobile. >> >> Daughter called in the evening to discover what had happened, and called >> the leccy people. She rang my doorbell at about 23.30 and asked me to move >> my car to allow an emergency generator to be parked up - seems the supply >> cable to the house had failed. The wiring and much else in that house are >> long past their reasonable life, but she was born in it and determined to >> die in it. >> >> I'm feeling guilty because she spent all day without power - although >> hopefully still had a working gas fire. But no cooker, which is electric - >> or means to make a cup of tea. But since terrified to leave her house for >> the last few months, she didn't even ask me for help. And had to wait a >> day for assistance for her daughter. >> >> Any ideas how, in the future, she could contact me in such an emergency? >> I'm not sure she could learn how to use a mobile phone now. >> >> BTW, she will no longer answer her door. I know because I've tried. Her >> kids have their own key. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonynuttall at me.com Sun Mar 14 10:19:15 2021 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:19:15 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] For the Tech Ops Aviation Nutters Message-ID: Go on give yourself a good lock down Project! 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But she does > have two daughters and grand kids, who live locally, and one daughter > visits near every day. I'm told she has got very frail over the past few > months, both physically and mentally. > > Have discovered she woke up yesterday to no electricity. And couldn't > phone for help because her phone is cordless - and no mobile. > > Daughter called in the evening to discover what had happened, and called > the leccy people. She rang my doorbell at about 23.30 and asked me to move > my car to allow an emergency generator to be parked up - seems the supply > cable to the house had failed. The wiring and much else in that house are > long past their reasonable life, but she was born in it and determined to > die in it. > > I'm feeling guilty because she spent all day without power - although > hopefully still had a working gas fire. But no cooker, which is electric - > or means to make a cup of tea. But since terrified to leave her house for > the last few months, she didn't even ask me for help. And had to wait a > day for assistance for her daughter. > > Any ideas how, in the future, she could contact me in such an emergency? > I'm not sure she could learn how to use a mobile phone now. > > BTW, she will no longer answer her door. I know because I've tried. Her > kids have their own key. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 12:57:42 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 17:57:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid 19 Message-ID: ?My Indian-type neighbours have had lots of visitors and parties, stayed away from home etc. My wife has hardly ventured out of the house since last March since being advised by several authorities to stay at home. What should we do? Ignore the orders or do as our neighbours do? Yours, getting more annoyed by the day, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 16:32:10 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 21:32:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Rycotes In-Reply-To: <712b8c2f-819d-6a9a-3561-97da3f093b07@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <358AAE06-DE2D-471E-A9BC-3405FCEFEB63@mac.com> <2220078F-71F6-4975-8A77-1782CFBCD000@me.com> <712b8c2f-819d-6a9a-3561-97da3f093b07@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <42f37b9b-fa9a-0401-e384-c6ef3bc7d121@btinternet.com> I never knew about your connection to them so well done you! I was doing a Thora Hird shoot at the Bristol and Bath West Show and I met Mr. and Mrs. Rycote in person, who were shocked at the state of my Rycote and urged me to send it back to them for tests! A proper 'woolly' Rycote saved my bacon on a SOP shoot on Brighton seafront in a howling gale when you could hear every word of the vicar's blessing, and again on Galway Bay interviewing an Irish rugby player on the beach in a high wind! Thanks, mate! Cheers, Dave On 13/03/2021 15:46, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > Hullo Alan, (privately). > > Nick Ware's comments might not make sense if you weren't aware that I > was the designer of Rycote's windshields and suspensions since the > late 1990 and up till a couple of years ago, when I started doing the > same thing for Rode;} > > I have also had a large hand in the research and science of both > windshields and suspensions over the last 20 years - hence Nick's smile. > > I do understand your point about windage on large windshields - I've > poled quite enough blimps to know the problem, I promise. I have been > a working operator for a goodly chunk of life. It was even me that put > DPA right about their delightful, but hopeless flexible Windpac - the > long version folded in half in a moderate wind, and neither could be > held in more than a 5mph breeze because they had no aerodynamic > balance - something their (subcontracted) design guy had never > considered. > > Neumann's advice about not using a foam shield inside a Rycote > actually came from work that Jorg Wuttke of Schoeps did (and I > transliterated for him) - the world of audio research is a small and > very cooperative one! The theory is absolutely correct, and partly > because the "stationary air" explanation isn't actually right - it was > busted some time back. The real maths is perimeter-to-capsule > distance. That equates to the square law distance of the noise > generating surface (the windshield surface) from the mic - the wanted > noise source is always a fixed level in relation to that. And because > the surface of the shield is near enough to a sphere for calculation > purposes, and windnoise is integrated over that surface, it actually > comes out to roughly a cube law effect. Hence increasing the spacing > slightly produces a much larger improvement in noise suppression than > most people imagine, and also explains why spaced shields on personal > mics are a bit of a dead loss. > > I won't bore you with more, I promise! > > Chris > > > >>> On 13 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >> ? >> I sold my 191s many years ago, and for a good price too. ?They were >> the first truly practical stereo mic as far as I was concerned. ?I >> tried lots of other stereo arrangements in the mid 80?s onwards and >> they were the best option by far at that time. I was fortunate to >> work on a number of dramas ( cough ... Grange Hill ), where the >> production teams gave me the freedom to experiment with stereo >> acquisition, even though what went onto tape was in mono. As a >> result, I was able to judge what worked in the studio and also on >> location and discover which techniques were practical in real world >> conditions. ?By the time I was required to record a drama in stereo I >> had already ironed out most of the problems, or at least had rejected >> the worst options. >> >> I never had problems with moisture on my 191s, even though I often >> worked in adverse conditions and was expecting them to play up. The >> biggest problem was that the lead between the matrix box and the >> microphone is unbalanced and prone to interference from things like >> focus assist transmitters on Steady Cam systems. the interference was >> a loud digital pulse train sounding a bit like Timecode. It?s >> completely unusable under those circumstances, so it was important at >> the planning stage to find out if there was any intention of using >> Steady Cam. >> >> Two factors affect wind suppression. One is the volume of stationary >> air inside the windshield, which of course increases with a larger >> diameter, the other is how directional the microphone is. ?Neumann >> specifically advise against using a foam windshield inside a Rycote >> as it reduces the amount of still air inside the windshield, but in >> windy conditions people frequently add a foam windshield inside the >> Rycote because they believe two windshields must be even better than >> one. >> >> In extreme winds, the sort where you have difficulty standing >> upright, I?ve had to swap gun mics for cardioid or even omni capsules >> inside the Rycote windshield. ?They need to be mounted as close to >> the end of the windshield as possible in order to get them closer to >> the actors, although you do start with a small advantage as a gun mic >> has the capsule some distance from the front. ?Ideally the shots need >> to be adjusted too in order to allow the microphone to be nearer than >> usual and also to allow the boom op to use a shorter pole because >> they won?t have a hope in hell of operating a Rycote windshield on a >> long pole in those sort of conditions. ?In extreme winds a larger >> diameter windshield can be useful if your boom op has muscles like >> Popeye, or else operates the mic hand held without a pole. Wind >> resistance is proportional to the area times the square of the wind >> speed, so if the wind speed increases dramatically, a larger >> windshield is not slightly harder to hold, but becomes almost >> ?impossible to use on a fish pole. Gusty winds are the worst because >> you can?t brace against them and have to deal with the pole flexing too. >> >> Here?s a pic from a shoot done adjacent to the Old Harry rocks near >> Swanage. The entire story was shot on those cliffs. Although this >> shot was taken in calm conditions, we had some days with extreme >> winds. The boom op impressed the crew by being able to hold the boom >> fairly steady under the windiest conditions. ?She later revealed that >> she used to be an Olympic swimmer and that boom operating helped to >> maintain her upper body >> >> Alan Taylor > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 17:06:30 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:06:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Property prices In-Reply-To: <2F7160603F8842A3A242E11FA5BE74D0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <2F7160603F8842A3A242E11FA5BE74D0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <71d3e40c-2d62-dd89-f25b-f12320269f84@btinternet.com> Our first venture into the property market in 1987 after renting a flat in Birmingham and living in a flat in Richmond and then living in an NHS district nurses converted stables in Ham was a maisonette in Whitton, Hounslow which cost ?4750 on a 97 y.o. lease. We sold it 3 years later for ? 11,700 and bought a four bed semi in Esher for ?11,750. Almost all the? house sales in the area are now nudging ?1m.! Whoopee! Cheers, Midas On 14/03/2021 14:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > You don?t mention a price but I suspect it would have been a shilling > or two more than this one from 1936:- > 1936 House for sale > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:49 AM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Spam and mapS > ?Surveying local maps and estate agents? windows when we were looking > to move house a few months ago, we came across this one (pic). Apart > from looking to die for and worth robbing a bank for, it includes a > swimming pool, fishing lake, tennis court (obvs.), stables, paddocks, > heli-pad, staff accomodation, and a few other little perks. > After much thought we decided it might be too much of a downsize for > us, so decided against it. And besides, despite the moat at the front > it?s a bit close to the road. Not that the road goes anywhere that > heavy traffic can go. > But the thing is, what crimes etc., do you have to commit to affort > such a place? > Oh, yes, how silly of me - just a few No1 hits in the pop charts! > Cheers, > Nick.Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini > > >>> On 13 Mar 2021, at 23:25, dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ?I have received 16 messages since midnight on the 13th. and all >>> have ended up in my SPAM folder, is this a record? Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1936 House for sale[3].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 194106 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 17:08:53 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:08:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! In-Reply-To: <4tccigmn1avbsniilinn3qpp.1615626254310@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <4tccigmn1avbsniilinn3qpp.1615626254310@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <012db830-ade1-1601-147a-8a8d6b090c03@btinternet.com> Thanks, Paul, I had thought of that ! Cheers, Dave On 13/03/2021 09:04, Paul Thackray wrote: > The stamp being priced at 1d not in New pence can be a giveaway! > > > > > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > +44 7802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > > ? Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 13 March 2021 00:21 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: dave.mdv at btinternet.com > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lessons learnt! > > > Thanks for the warning, Mike, the only tell-tale signs I know about are > the small cut fingers which might get torn off when peeling the stamp > off the envelope. Cheers, Dave. PS. IPA stands for IsoPropyl Alcohol, as > if you didn't know! Only use 99.9% for electronic cleaning, not the 70% > rub for medical use! > > On 12/03/2021 23:08, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> Glad to hear that beer is such a good solvent! But beware, Dave, I stopped using ?unfranked? stamps, whether liberated by alcohol or other means, after hearing that there are apparently tell-tale signs, though I don?t recall the detail, and the offence apparently amounts to stealing from the Royal Mail! Would that amount to stealing from Her Majesty? At least offenders against the royal person aren?t sent to the Tower of London nowadays. >> >> Mike G >> >> >>> On 12 Mar 2021, at 21:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> The other night I downloaded a couple of music CDs to continue the series of Caf? del Mar 'Classics', numbers 2 and 3. I burned them straight onto two of my best CD-Rs by Verbatim and today I attached sticky labels and printed them appropriately. Then, I suddenly realised that I had burnt the .mp3 tracks! Bugger! So I re-burnt them on a couple of LightScribe CD-Rs which some kind person had donated! I thought to myself, I have only just attached the sticky labels and I don't have many left (although lots of people say you shouldn't use them!) so I gently peeled them off!!! Big mistake!! I was amazed to find that the labels came off quite easily and took the top silvered surface off the CD-R leaving me with a clear, plastic 120 cm. disc!!! Needless to say, it wouldn't play! So, I thought, I'll just try printing onto the matt surface of the new .cda recorded discs. Wrong!!! The ink never dried, even after 10 hours it was still wet so I have just cleaned it off with my last bit of IPA. Amazing what you learn these days!. I bought my original IPA from our local pharmacy in a 500 ml. bottle, in 2008, which I have used to top up a 20ml. small spray which came with a DVD/CD cleaning kit. I have just ordered a 1 L. bottle of 99.9% IPA from Amazon for nearly ?9 which should last me long enough! Cheers, Dave. P.S. IPA is also useful to remove the new peel-and-stick postage stamps (as Bob Smith advised!). We had so many un-franked ones over Christmas it has saved pounds at 63p. per stamp! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 17:34:57 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:34:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Murray Walker Message-ID: So many happy memories working with the great man! With the OBs Sports Unit PSC we interviewed Murray on the lawn of his lovely house down a private road 'somewhere' down south! His pride and joy was a book given to him, and signed by, Enzo Ferrari. Anyway, his wife came home from shopping and made us repeat the interview because we had seen their house and burglars may recognise where it was! A second trip with him was to the IOM to interview Nigel Mansell on the lawn of his lovely house overlooking the sea. After that Murray wanted to show us the TT Course famous wooden name board where his dad had been mentioned years ago. A lovely trip with a lovely guy! Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Sun Mar 14 17:42:04 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 22:42:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you should do what makes you feel safest, Dave. We?re not particularly vulnerable but we?ve been very cautious and haven?t even taken full advantage of what has been allowed from time to time, but every time we go out for a walk we see people clearly flouting the regulations on numbers from different households allowed to meet ~ you can often tell when a group of three or four don?t live together from the nature of their conversation ~ and so many people make very little effort to move aside on footpaths and we?re usually the ones that end up in the ditch! The couple who?ve just moved in next door to us are both police officers, but several family members have visited them and gone indoors for some time. Anybody had their second jab yet? Mike G > On 14 Mar 2021, at 17:57, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > My Indian-type neighbours have had lots of visitors and parties, stayed away from home etc. My wife has hardly ventured out of the house since last March since being advised by several authorities to stay at home. What should we do? Ignore the orders or do as our neighbours do? Yours, getting more annoyed by the day, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Mar 14 19:33:01 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 00:33:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Property prices In-Reply-To: <71d3e40c-2d62-dd89-f25b-f12320269f84@btinternet.com> References: <2F7160603F8842A3A242E11FA5BE74D0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <71d3e40c-2d62-dd89-f25b-f12320269f84@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <590d544deddavesound@btinternet.com> It's interesting to compare the sort of place we all bought when sort of well established in our career. Say in our 30s. And work out how much you'd have to be earning to buy the same place today. In article <71d3e40c-2d62-dd89-f25b-f12320269f84 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Our first venture into the property market in 1987 after renting a flat > in Birmingham and living in a flat in Richmond and then living in an NHS > district nurses converted stables in Ham was a maisonette in Whitton, > Hounslow which cost ?4750 on a 97 y.o. lease. We sold it 3 years later > for ? 11,700 and bought a four bed semi in Esher for ?11,750. Almost all > the house sales in the area are now nudging ?1m.! Whoopee! Cheers, Midas -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 07:47:21 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:47:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? Message-ID: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and get more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from Waterstones (patronise local traders). The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two books recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with the other -? and what a come down.? The second book was Machines Like Me by Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics around the world. The first was Thin Air? by Richard Morgan, he of Altered Carbon, and you've probably never heard of him.? Morgan's book is like thrashing along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a just slow dull plod - I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack McDevitt. So - what do you read? What can you recommend? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 15 07:53:52 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 12:53:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604f58e0.1c69fb81.d170b.9559@mx.google.com> I?m tempted to suggest that you shop them to the police, however a few ?400 fines would not make you very popular and they could turn into ?The Next Door Neighbours from Hell?! I was amused by a recent report from Surrey Police who were checking out cars parked one late evening at Epsom Downs Racecourse. Two people from different areas were caught (presumably engaging in a bit of nookie). Not exactly an essential journey? Both fined ?400! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 14 March 2021 17:58 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Covid 19 ?My Indian-type neighbours have had lots of visitors and parties, stayed away from home etc. My wife has hardly ventured out of the house since last March since being advised by several authorities to stay at home. What should we do? Ignore the orders or do as our neighbours do? Yours, getting more annoyed by the day, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 15 08:08:53 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 13:08:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604f5c66.1c69fb81.da170.b7d4@mx.google.com> Like Woking my local Library (Bookham) is closed, but one can order books for collection with social distancing in place. However I have made great use of e-book service, which is offered via RB Digital, although this is being replaced by ?Libby? so one has to re-register in due course. One could download the e-books to a tablet. For what its worth Bernie, I attach my Excel sheet of favourite authors and their works. I prefer crime/murder/police novels. Greyed out means they?ve been read, green is currently downloaded, yellow are booked ?holds? but these will not transfer to the new ?Libby? app. Red = attempted but abandoned. ?F? means it?s been filmed. Hope this might give a few ideas! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 15 March 2021 12:47 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and get more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from Waterstones (patronise local traders).? The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two books recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with the other -? and what a come down.? The second book was Machines Like Me by Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics around the world. The first was Thin Air? by Richard Morgan, he of Altered Carbon, and you've probably never heard of him.? Morgan's book is like thrashing along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a just slow dull plod - I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack McDevitt. So - what do you read? What can you recommend? B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Authors.xlsx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet Size: 69889 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Mar 15 08:37:22 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 13:37:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6286c9ed-fd2b-f970-2ffb-9b4b76ffdd82@imixmics.co.uk> My local library has reopened for book returns & pre-ordered collection - through a window! I've been making do with the eLibrary too. I download the books on to my phone & read them there. I've also bought some books. One of my favourite authors only has a few of his books in the library, so I've bought them for the Kindle on my phone: Simon Morden. I find his Petrovitch series totally engrossing: I've read them several times. Check out http://bookofmorden.co.uk/ Other favourite authors are the late Stieg Larsen & James Long. Good reading. John Nottage On 15/03/2021 12:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and get > more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from Waterstones > (patronise local traders). > > The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two books > recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with the > other -? and what a come down.? The second book was Machines Like Me by > Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics around the > world. The first was Thin Air? by Richard Morgan, he of Altered Carbon, > and you've probably never heard of him.? Morgan's book is like thrashing > along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a just slow dull plod - > I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack McDevitt. > > So - what do you read? What can you recommend? > > B > From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Mon Mar 15 08:37:41 2021 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 13:37:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21CACDA8-C8A0-45B4-AF80-47449B262C13@vincent68.plus.com> Thursday Murder Club Some of us old farts will identify with some of the characters! John V > On 15 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and get more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from Waterstones (patronise local traders). > > The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two books recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with the other - and what a come down. The second book was Machines Like Me by Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics around the world. The first was Thin Air by Richard Morgan, he of Altered Carbon, and you've probably never heard of him. Morgan's book is like thrashing along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a just slow dull plod - I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack McDevitt. > > So - what do you read? What can you recommend? > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Mon Mar 15 10:07:19 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:07:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1989282915.172088.1615820839720@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Mon Mar 15 10:15:17 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:15:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: <604f5c66.1c69fb81.da170.b7d4@mx.google.com> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> <604f5c66.1c69fb81.da170.b7d4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <745641789.172488.1615821317630@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Mar 15 12:01:37 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:01:37 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes Message-ID: <9B4A37864B65486DAD26453DBAAE0C6F@Gigabyte> Looking for someone interested. Walking from Brentford to Kew this afternoon, I came by the little shop just near The Musical Museum that still sells loads of ex-Army bits. Outside was a flat truck with loads of old stuff on it and a couple of 2? Quad tape boxes. Old labels with BFBS (British Forces Broadcasting Service) labels. Spoke to guys clearing out/knocking down sheds behind who showed me a pile of tape boxes and they throw away a couple each trip to dump!. Had to go but called back in and took this photo of about 60 tapes. Looked inside a few and in very good condition. Unlabelled as to content but two had LWT stickers. It struck me that they might have heritage material on and mentioned that I would circulate this information to see if there was any interest. I know a load of old stuff that was thought lost has been found in odd places. I suspect that there is now no BBC department interested so trying here. Is there anyone interested? I have the phone number of the guy who runs the shop who wasn?t there today but is probably Charlie or Bill on 0778 035 0937 I may post this on Facebook ?Memories of TC? as well. If I don?t hear from anyone in a few days/a week I will go and see them and say thanks. Mike Jordan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Quad tapes in Brentford store.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 209283 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 15 12:36:53 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:36:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes In-Reply-To: <9B4A37864B65486DAD26453DBAAE0C6F@Gigabyte> References: <9B4A37864B65486DAD26453DBAAE0C6F@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <604f9b35.1c69fb81.f17e0.14f4@mx.google.com> I guess it?s a question of where they can be played. You could try Lucy Woodward 020 8840 6293 who runs a business transferring stuff between various formats. Or Charles Norton, a young archivist 0116 2290558 candjnorton at yahoo.com who might be able to point you at BBC Archives. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 15 March 2021 17:05 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes Looking for someone interested. ? Walking from Brentford to Kew this afternoon, I came by the little shop just near The Musical Museum that still sells loads of ex-Army bits. Outside was a flat truck with loads of old stuff on it and a couple of 2? Quad tape boxes. Old labels with BFBS (British Forces Broadcasting Service) labels. Spoke to guys clearing out/knocking down sheds behind who showed me a pile of tape boxes and they throw away a couple each trip to dump!. Had to go but called back in and took this photo of about 60 tapes. Looked inside a few and in very good condition. Unlabelled as to content but two had LWT stickers. It struck me that they might have heritage material on and mentioned that I would circulate this information to see if there was any interest. I know a load of old stuff that was thought lost has been found in odd places. I suspect that there is now no BBC department interested so trying here. ? Is there anyone interested? ? I have the phone number of the guy who runs the shop who wasn?t there today but is probably Charlie or Bill on 0778 035 0937 ? I may post this on Facebook ?Memories of TC? as well. ? If I don?t hear from anyone in a few days/a week I will go and see them and say thanks. ? Mike Jordan -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 13:09:49 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 18:09:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes In-Reply-To: <604f9b35.1c69fb81.f17e0.14f4@mx.google.com> References: <9B4A37864B65486DAD26453DBAAE0C6F@Gigabyte> <604f9b35.1c69fb81.f17e0.14f4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3de36a02-6075-9d26-e766-16b974fa9827@gmail.com> Kaleidoscope, also on Facebook, are the people who rescue old stuff thought lost. You should have a good look at the labels very soon before they chuck them all. Also, if you can come by a cleanish one, I'd like it please. reasonable price paid Thanks B On 15/03/2021 17:36, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I guess it?s a question of where they can be played. > > You could try Lucy Woodward 020 8840 6293 who runs a business > transferring stuff between various formats. > > Or Charles Norton, a young archivist? 0116 2290558 > > candjnorton at yahoo.com > > who might be able to point you at BBC Archives. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Mike Jordan via Tech1 > *Sent: *15 March 2021 17:05 > *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject: *[Tech1] Old Quad tapes > > Looking for someone interested. > > Walking from Brentford to Kew this afternoon, I came by the little > shop just near The Musical Museum that still sells loads of ex-Army bits. > > Outside was a flat truck with loads of old stuff on it and a couple of > 2? Quad tape boxes. > > Old labels with BFBS (British Forces Broadcasting Service) labels. > > Spoke to guys clearing out/knocking down sheds behind who showed me a > pile of tape boxes and they throw away a couple each trip to dump!. > > Had to go but called back in and took this photo of about 60 tapes. > Looked inside a few and in very good condition. Unlabelled as to > content but two had LWT stickers. > > It struck me that they might have heritage material on and mentioned > that I would circulate this information to see if there was any interest. > > I know a load of old stuff that was thought lost has been found in odd > places. > > I suspect that there is now no BBC department interested so trying here. > > Is there anyone interested? > > I have the phone number of the guy who runs the shop who wasn?t there > today but is probably Charlie or Bill on 0778 035 0937 > > I may post this on Facebook ?Memories of TC? as well. > > If I don?t hear from anyone in a few days/a week I will go and see > them and say thanks. > > Mike Jordan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Mar 15 17:39:14 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 22:39:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes References: <3de36a02-6075-9d26-e766-16b974fa9827@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9460AFA0-EA0D-4044-92DE-2AAF6E923648@btinternet.com> Hello Mike. I have forwarded this to Sue Malden who might be of help Albert > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes > Date: 15 March 2021 at 18:09:49 GMT > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply-To: Bernard Newnham > > Kaleidoscope, also on Facebook, are the people who rescue old stuff thought lost. You should have a good look at the labels very soon before they chuck them all. > > Also, if you can come by a cleanish one, I'd like it please. reasonable price paid > > Thanks > > B > > > > On 15/03/2021 17:36, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> I guess it?s a question of where they can be played. >> You could try Lucy Woodward 020 8840 6293 who runs a business transferring stuff between various formats. >> Or Charles Norton, a young archivist 0116 2290558 >> candjnorton at yahoo.com >> who might be able to point you at BBC Archives. >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 >> Sent: 15 March 2021 17:05 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes >> >> Looking for someone interested. >> >> Walking from Brentford to Kew this afternoon, I came by the little shop just near The Musical Museum that still sells loads of ex-Army bits. >> Outside was a flat truck with loads of old stuff on it and a couple of 2? Quad tape boxes. >> Old labels with BFBS (British Forces Broadcasting Service) labels. >> Spoke to guys clearing out/knocking down sheds behind who showed me a pile of tape boxes and they throw away a couple each trip to dump!. >> Had to go but called back in and took this photo of about 60 tapes. Looked inside a few and in very good condition. Unlabelled as to content but two had LWT stickers. >> It struck me that they might have heritage material on and mentioned that I would circulate this information to see if there was any interest. >> I know a load of old stuff that was thought lost has been found in odd places. >> I suspect that there is now no BBC department interested so trying here. >> >> Is there anyone interested? >> >> I have the phone number of the guy who runs the shop who wasn?t there today but is probably Charlie or Bill on 0778 035 0937 >> >> I may post this on Facebook ?Memories of TC? as well. >> >> If I don?t hear from anyone in a few days/a week I will go and see them and say thanks. >> >> Mike Jordan >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Mar 15 18:28:59 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:28:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! Message-ID: <69709C3C-CFB8-4A3F-8BE1-8AD9335C089B@mac.com> This has been mentioned before, but I find myself increasingly aggravated by the widespread habit of taking a wide shot of participants in things like Escape to the Country, with focus set on an often insignificant object close to camera ~ these shots seem to be interminable, whilst the eye and brain struggle with the blurred image of the real subject matter. I often have to search for the object that is actually in focus, because it?s certainly not at the point of concentration. It?s even crept into news coverage of interviews and I can only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras on auto-focus which lock onto nearby objects, because that?s what they do, and now seems to have become de rigueur ~ it seems happen on all channels and it enrages me every time. Almost as annoying as mumbled dialogue, or unequalised personal mics! Am I alone in my misery? Mike G From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Mar 16 02:40:03 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 07:40:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <69709C3C-CFB8-4A3F-8BE1-8AD9335C089B@mac.com> References: <69709C3C-CFB8-4A3F-8BE1-8AD9335C089B@mac.com> Message-ID: It?s a fad, I was tryng to watch a re-run of a Neil Oliver doco about the Orkneys the other day and some bits were literally unwatchable as the relevant bits were never in focus. It?s done by film wannabes because they?ve discovered shallow depths of field but have no clue how to use it properly. ? Graeme Wall > On 15 Mar 2021, at 23:28, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > This has been mentioned before, but I find myself increasingly aggravated by the widespread habit of taking a wide shot of participants in things like Escape to the Country, with focus set on an often insignificant object close to camera ~ these shots seem to be interminable, whilst the eye and brain struggle with the blurred image of the real subject matter. I often have to search for the object that is actually in focus, because it?s certainly not at the point of concentration. It?s even crept into news coverage of interviews and I can only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras on auto-focus which lock onto nearby objects, because that?s what they do, and now seems to have become de rigueur ~ it seems happen on all channels and it enrages me every time. Almost as annoying as mumbled dialogue, or unequalised personal mics! > > Am I alone in my misery? > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 16 02:44:23 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 07:44:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <69709C3C-CFB8-4A3F-8BE1-8AD9335C089B@mac.com> References: <69709C3C-CFB8-4A3F-8BE1-8AD9335C089B@mac.com> Message-ID: <500A4CDA-4E3B-4013-AF5E-747509ED7013@me.com> There?s a variant of that which seems to be obligatory on cooking shows. The camera operator hides behind stuff in the kitchen ( hanging utensils or things standing on the counter ). The presenter is sharply focussed, while the foreground object is really soft, but the camera tracks along to make it look like a hopelessly out of focus version of Brucie?s conveyor belt. Other over- used conventions are always in detective dramas. One is where they are searching somewhere for clues. Our hero is prominent in the wide shot when another cop in the distance over-acts spotting something and yells ?Oi Sarge .....? Another convention is that when a suspect is initially approached, they are always doing something ..... mucking out the pigs, pruning roses, fixing a car engine etc. The police start asking them about the night of the murder, but they continue to nonchalantly do what they were doing. Now I?m the first to concede that in real life I haven?t been the prime suspect in many murder enquiries, but I do think that if the police ( or anybody else ) called to ask me questions, I would pause for a moment and give them my undivided attention. In news or documentaries, the director often likes to film the interviewee walking along while the voice over or caption introduces them ? Faye Dowt, author of a book about television clich?s?. The trouble is that the person invariably walks in a very self-conscious manner. I did a documentary following the first few days of a bunch of new MPs and one of them asked us for any useful media appearance tips for newbies. I suggested practicing walking in an establishing shot without looking like a pillock. There is a variant of that establishing shot which is used in many of those property shows mentioned by Mike. The couple walk hand in hand through the streets of a Spanish village. Now for many couples, that?s a routine thing and no problem, but occasionally it looks like the couple have never walked hand in hand in their life and appear awkward at being required to do so. Alan Taylor > On 15 Mar 2021, at 23:29, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?This has been mentioned before, but I find myself increasingly aggravated by the widespread habit of taking a wide shot of participants in things like Escape to the Country, with focus set on an often insignificant object close to camera ~ these shots seem to be interminable, whilst the eye and brain struggle with the blurred image of the real subject matter. I often have to search for the object that is actually in focus, because it?s certainly not at the point of concentration. It?s even crept into news coverage of interviews and I can only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras on auto-focus which lock onto nearby objects, because that?s what they do, and now seems to have become de rigueur ~ it seems happen on all channels and it enrages me every time. Almost as annoying as mumbled dialogue, or unequalised personal mics! > > Am I alone in my misery? > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Mar 16 03:33:06 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:33:06 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes In-Reply-To: <9460AFA0-EA0D-4044-92DE-2AAF6E923648@btinternet.com> References: <3de36a02-6075-9d26-e766-16b974fa9827@gmail.com> <9460AFA0-EA0D-4044-92DE-2AAF6E923648@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks Albert Stuart from Kaleidoscope and Philip from International Archives (both found via Facebook BBC Memories page) are in contact with shop people already and at least if someone, somewhere rescues them it is better than in the dump! Mike From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 10:39 PM To: Sue Malden ; Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes Hello Mike. I have forwarded this to Sue Malden who might be of help Albert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 16 03:39:42 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:39:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <500A4CDA-4E3B-4013-AF5E-747509ED7013@me.com> References: <500A4CDA-4E3B-4013-AF5E-747509ED7013@me.com> Message-ID: <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> I hadn?t realised just how many things annoy me whilst watching the box, but everything that?s been mentioned would be in my list of pet hates if I took the trouble to compile it. Alan mentioned walking and that prompts me to mention the standard Countryfile formula, also used elsewhere, of walking whilst describing the facts around the topic and then carrying on to walk out of shot once a particular point has been made. I know it helps when cutting to the same person in another setting, but a bit of variety in techniques wouldn?t hurt - I suppose that requires thought and would take extra time on what I imagine are usually quite tight schedules. Perhaps the problem is ours - we watch too much TV! Mike G > On 16 Mar 2021, at 07:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?There?s a variant of that which seems to be obligatory on cooking shows. > > The camera operator hides behind stuff in the kitchen ( hanging utensils or things standing on the counter ). The presenter is sharply focussed, while the foreground object is really soft, but the camera tracks along to make it look like a hopelessly out of focus version of Brucie?s conveyor belt. > > Other over- used conventions are always in detective dramas. One is where they are searching somewhere for clues. Our hero is prominent in the wide shot when another cop in the distance over-acts spotting something and yells ?Oi Sarge .....? > > Another convention is that when a suspect is initially approached, they are always doing something ..... mucking out the pigs, pruning roses, fixing a car engine etc. The police start asking them about the night of the murder, but they continue to nonchalantly do what they were doing. Now I?m the first to concede that in real life I haven?t been the prime suspect in many murder enquiries, but I do think that if the police ( or anybody else ) called to ask me questions, I would pause for a moment and give them my undivided attention. > > In news or documentaries, the director often likes to film the interviewee walking along while the voice over or caption introduces them ? Faye Dowt, author of a book about television clich?s?. The trouble is that the person invariably walks in a very self-conscious manner. I did a documentary following the first few days of a bunch of new MPs and one of them asked us for any useful media appearance tips for newbies. I suggested practicing walking in an establishing shot without looking like a pillock. > > There is a variant of that establishing shot which is used in many of those property shows mentioned by Mike. The couple walk hand in hand through the streets of a Spanish village. Now for many couples, that?s a routine thing and no problem, but occasionally it looks like the couple have never walked hand in hand in their life and appear awkward at being required to do so. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 15 Mar 2021, at 23:29, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?This has been mentioned before, but I find myself increasingly aggravated by the widespread habit of taking a wide shot of participants in things like Escape to the Country, with focus set on an often insignificant object close to camera ~ these shots seem to be interminable, whilst the eye and brain struggle with the blurred image of the real subject matter. I often have to search for the object that is actually in focus, because it?s certainly not at the point of concentration. It?s even crept into news coverage of interviews and I can only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras on auto-focus which lock onto nearby objects, because that?s what they do, and now seems to have become de rigueur ~ it seems happen on all channels and it enrages me every time. Almost as annoying as mumbled dialogue, or unequalised personal mics! >> >> Am I alone in my misery? >> >> Mike G >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From sue.malden at btinternet.com Tue Mar 16 04:04:00 2021 From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (sue.malden) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:04:00 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5ED9C2FD2AC2BA83@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) Phil Morris has a lot of archive experience but not based in London. I ll ask him about it. I dont know Stuart. I was going g to ask Norman Green to investigate as he does a lot of 2" restorationI hope it is something interesting!SueSent from Samsung Mobile on O2 -------- Original message --------From: Mike Jordan Date: 16/03/2021 10:33 (GMT+02:00) To: Albert Barber , Sue Malden , Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes Thanks Albert ? Stuart from Kaleidoscope and Philip from International Archives (both found via Facebook BBC Memories page) are in contact with shop people already and at least if someone, somewhere rescues them it is better than in the dump! ? Mike ? ? ? From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 10:39 PM To: Sue Malden ; Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes ? Hello Mike. I have forwarded this to Sue Malden who might be of help Albert ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sue.malden at btinternet.com Tue Mar 16 04:05:11 2021 From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (sue.malden) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:05:11 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5ED9C2FD2AC2C2D8@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) Hi BernieOn another matter l seem to have dropped off the Techops mailings. Can you help?Thanx SueSent from Samsung Mobile on O2 -------- Original message --------From: Mike Jordan Date: 16/03/2021 10:33 (GMT+02:00) To: Albert Barber , Sue Malden , Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes Thanks Albert ? Stuart from Kaleidoscope and Philip from International Archives (both found via Facebook BBC Memories page) are in contact with shop people already and at least if someone, somewhere rescues them it is better than in the dump! ? Mike ? ? ? From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 10:39 PM To: Sue Malden ; Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes ? Hello Mike. I have forwarded this to Sue Malden who might be of help Albert ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 16 04:18:56 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:18:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> References: <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> Message-ID: <07B5AE1F-5C58-44C5-9FF1-20BC147FD76C@me.com> There?s that other much overdone variant often seen on news programmes. The presenter walks into a wide shot mostly featuring a wall and stands to the LHS of frame so that graphs and charts can be overlain in the wall. An audio clich? which really annoys me in movies is how a sudden rain shower always starts with a clap of thunder. Thankfully the days seem to have finally gone when car tyres squeal during car chases on grass and it?s now possible for a character to wake up early morning in a soap opera without a milk float being heard passing outside. With old TV shows being repeated, it?s interesting to notice things like how commonplace it used to be for people to smoke in the workplace, or how we can accurately date dramas by the computer monitors on their desks, or the telephones they use. I recently noticed a character reacting to a pager and can?t remember when I last saw one of those in real life. Alan Taylor > On 16 Mar 2021, at 08:40, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I hadn?t realised just how many things annoy me whilst watching the box, but everything that?s been mentioned would be in my list of pet hates if I took the trouble to compile it. Alan mentioned walking and that prompts me to mention the standard Countryfile formula, also used elsewhere, of walking whilst describing the facts around the topic and then carrying on to walk out of shot once a particular point has been made. I know it helps when cutting to the same person in another setting, but a bit of variety in techniques wouldn?t hurt - I suppose that requires thought and would take extra time on what I imagine are usually quite tight schedules. > > Perhaps the problem is ours - we watch too much TV! > > Mike G > >> On 16 Mar 2021, at 07:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?There?s a variant of that which seems to be obligatory on cooking shows. >> >> The camera operator hides behind stuff in the kitchen ( hanging utensils or things standing on the counter ). The presenter is sharply focussed, while the foreground object is really soft, but the camera tracks along to make it look like a hopelessly out of focus version of Brucie?s conveyor belt. >> >> Other over- used conventions are always in detective dramas. One is where they are searching somewhere for clues. Our hero is prominent in the wide shot when another cop in the distance over-acts spotting something and yells ?Oi Sarge .....? >> >> Another convention is that when a suspect is initially approached, they are always doing something ..... mucking out the pigs, pruning roses, fixing a car engine etc. The police start asking them about the night of the murder, but they continue to nonchalantly do what they were doing. Now I?m the first to concede that in real life I haven?t been the prime suspect in many murder enquiries, but I do think that if the police ( or anybody else ) called to ask me questions, I would pause for a moment and give them my undivided attention. >> >> In news or documentaries, the director often likes to film the interviewee walking along while the voice over or caption introduces them ? Faye Dowt, author of a book about television clich?s?. The trouble is that the person invariably walks in a very self-conscious manner. I did a documentary following the first few days of a bunch of new MPs and one of them asked us for any useful media appearance tips for newbies. I suggested practicing walking in an establishing shot without looking like a pillock. >> >> There is a variant of that establishing shot which is used in many of those property shows mentioned by Mike. The couple walk hand in hand through the streets of a Spanish village. Now for many couples, that?s a routine thing and no problem, but occasionally it looks like the couple have never walked hand in hand in their life and appear awkward at being required to do so. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 23:29, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?This has been mentioned before, but I find myself increasingly aggravated by the widespread habit of taking a wide shot of participants in things like Escape to the Country, with focus set on an often insignificant object close to camera ~ these shots seem to be interminable, whilst the eye and brain struggle with the blurred image of the real subject matter. I often have to search for the object that is actually in focus, because it?s certainly not at the point of concentration. It?s even crept into news coverage of interviews and I can only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras on auto-focus which lock onto nearby objects, because that?s what they do, and now seems to have become de rigueur ~ it seems happen on all channels and it enrages me every time. Almost as annoying as mumbled dialogue, or unequalised personal mics! >>> >>> Am I alone in my misery? >>> >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 16 04:32:12 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:32:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> References: <500A4CDA-4E3B-4013-AF5E-747509ED7013@me.com> <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> Message-ID: <60507b1c.1c69fb81.93c4.bb0d@mx.google.com> My pet hate is presenters, whether walking or not, waving their arms about, needlessly, to emphasize their point. Adam Hart-Davis, an excellent presenter on camera was once asked to describe his job. He said he was a testiculator; ?I wave my arms about and talk a load of bollocks!? I used to work on Tomorrow?s World, but it was much later, recording an interview with Raymond Baxter at his house, that I asked him if he missed doing TW. He admitted to not understanding what he was saying about a subject, but just learning it, parrot fashion. One would never have suspected it. The doyen of both in-vision and oov, has to be Richard Dimbleby. He did his homework and could fill brilliantly if there was any hold up in ceremonial occasions. When he passed away, both sons were keen to step into his shoes. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 16 March 2021 08:40 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Soft options! I hadn?t realised just how many things annoy me whilst watching the box, but everything that?s been mentioned would be in my list of pet hates if I took the trouble to compile it. Alan mentioned walking and that prompts me to mention the standard Countryfile formula, also used elsewhere, of walking whilst describing the facts around the topic -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Tue Mar 16 04:33:06 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:33:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> References: <500A4CDA-4E3B-4013-AF5E-747509ED7013@me.com> <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> Message-ID: <3AB45DF3-55EC-4FBA-A178-6C8476F27093@icloud.com> Mike As someone who gets ?forced? to do these ?meaningless? shots I can shed some light for you. They?re referred to as ?non-sync wides? and are used so that you cut an interview without having a jump cut. In my early days of single camera shooting it would be done by using a ?reverse? or ?noddy? of the interviewer, but these became ?unfashionable? and this is seen as the replacement. Sadly, you?re right though, and I suspect Joe Sixpack at home has no idea what the hell he should be looking at or why (to him) ?everything is out of focus?!! Add to the list: ?Dirty? singles (where there is someone or something in foreground that fills some of the frame) ?Wrong? looking room (trendy to be inversed now) Ridiculous amount of cameras on a straightforward ?sit-down? interview with at least one or more of the following: a constantly tracking shot; an extreme wide that shows all the crew/lights etc; a hopelessly mis-matched camera because production wouldn?t pay to have the same type of cameras for all the shots and had no money to grade; the main camera with just one eye in focus as the DOF is too narrow; etc etc.???. Most shoot nowadays we?re getting asked to shoot in 4k or above as well so they can ?reframe? the shots in the edit and get more than one size per camera - another bit of control ebbing away from the camera crew. Life used to be so simple!!! With regard to the same processes slipping into news reports, I would put this down to 2 things: 1. Most news cameras are now the ?full frame/large sensor? type cameras with shallow depth of field (which, I suspect most ENG crews will hate not having a zoom lens that actually goes from '0-100? for the times when they see something far away that hey need quickly) 2. During the pandemic a lot of doco type cameramen have been doing news to get some work and have brought their art form with them. Oh well - we?ll all be able to go back to the pub soon and sunny days are coming and we can all get outside again away from the box. Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 16 Mar 2021, at 08:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > I hadn?t realised just how many things annoy me whilst watching the box, but everything that?s been mentioned would be in my list of pet hates if I took the trouble to compile it. Alan mentioned walking and that prompts me to mention the standard Countryfile formula, also used elsewhere, of walking whilst describing the facts around the topic and then carrying on to walk out of shot once a particular point has been made. I know it helps when cutting to the same person in another setting, but a bit of variety in techniques wouldn?t hurt - I suppose that requires thought and would take extra time on what I imagine are usually quite tight schedules. > > Perhaps the problem is ours - we watch too much TV! > > Mike G > >> On 16 Mar 2021, at 07:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?There?s a variant of that which seems to be obligatory on cooking shows. >> >> The camera operator hides behind stuff in the kitchen ( hanging utensils or things standing on the counter ). The presenter is sharply focussed, while the foreground object is really soft, but the camera tracks along to make it look like a hopelessly out of focus version of Brucie?s conveyor belt. >> >> Other over- used conventions are always in detective dramas. One is where they are searching somewhere for clues. Our hero is prominent in the wide shot when another cop in the distance over-acts spotting something and yells ?Oi Sarge .....? >> >> Another convention is that when a suspect is initially approached, they are always doing something ..... mucking out the pigs, pruning roses, fixing a car engine etc. The police start asking them about the night of the murder, but they continue to nonchalantly do what they were doing. Now I?m the first to concede that in real life I haven?t been the prime suspect in many murder enquiries, but I do think that if the police ( or anybody else ) called to ask me questions, I would pause for a moment and give them my undivided attention. >> >> In news or documentaries, the director often likes to film the interviewee walking along while the voice over or caption introduces them ? Faye Dowt, author of a book about television clich?s?. The trouble is that the person invariably walks in a very self-conscious manner. I did a documentary following the first few days of a bunch of new MPs and one of them asked us for any useful media appearance tips for newbies. I suggested practicing walking in an establishing shot without looking like a pillock. >> >> There is a variant of that establishing shot which is used in many of those property shows mentioned by Mike. The couple walk hand in hand through the streets of a Spanish village. Now for many couples, that?s a routine thing and no problem, but occasionally it looks like the couple have never walked hand in hand in their life and appear awkward at being required to do so. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 23:29, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?This has been mentioned before, but I find myself increasingly aggravated by the widespread habit of taking a wide shot of participants in things like Escape to the Country, with focus set on an often insignificant object close to camera ~ these shots seem to be interminable, whilst the eye and brain struggle with the blurred image of the real subject matter. I often have to search for the object that is actually in focus, because it?s certainly not at the point of concentration. It?s even crept into news coverage of interviews and I can only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras on auto-focus which lock onto nearby objects, because that?s what they do, and now seems to have become de rigueur ~ it seems happen on all channels and it enrages me every time. Almost as annoying as mumbled dialogue, or unequalised personal mics! >>> >>> Am I alone in my misery? >>> >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: anvc-logo-mail-small.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14651 bytes Desc: not available URL: From phider at gmx.com Tue Mar 16 04:35:06 2021 From: phider at gmx.com (Mr P.J.Hider) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:35:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! Message-ID: <2u99nm2c82c07o1gxq7qxs57.1615887306440@email.android.com> I'm afraid that this has nothing to do with auto-focus cameras. It's called fashion and its used on the move to the country genre as a way of establishing the location without having to worry about lipsync and also provides a useful editing tool which can be used to cut the show to the required running time. There have been numerous 'fashions' over the years such as always having something in the foreground of every wide shot which was featured heavily by the series director Peter Hammond. Another, which can still be seen on studio interviews, is to have the wide shot camera drift aimlessly left and right. I also find it difficult to come to terms with 'reverse looking room' which is currently being used on all crime series. It's the technique of having the subject looking out of right of frame with little space between them and the edge of frame but a huge space behind their head. Crossing the line was fashion for a while but fortunately died an unmourned death fairly quickly. My most hated fashion shot at the moment is during an advert for the mental health programme 'Headroom' when the girl narrating turns to face left of frame but there's no cut to a camera in front of her. It stays on the profile shot for no reason and she speaks out the side of frame. I scream at the tv every time. I'm sure there will be those who are saying that I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud fuddyduddy who can't accept change or modern fashion. I'm of the opinion that if the camerawork gets in the way between the camera and the performer it detracts from the content or performance. Peter Hider Former cameraman on Crew 5 and proud to have worked with Senior Cameraman Jim Atkinson for 14 years. From tonynuttall at me.com Tue Mar 16 04:43:46 2021 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 09:43:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft Options: SOUND SYNC Message-ID: Recently I noticed, after watching a dubbed foreign film on Netflicks that the lip sync of the film became less distracting. I wonder if this is due to watching so many News remotes that ones brain accepts the delay in the sync as being normal?!! For some reason SKY News seems to be the only News format that after a few? seconds , some times , can pulls the sync in! It's a pity that the BBC Proms does not have this ability any more and has to resort to pictures of the "back of heads" when remote singing is?part of the programme. Tony N (in the wilds of Cumbria) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They?re referred to as ?non-sync wides? and are used so that you cut an interview without having a jump cut. In my early days of single camera shooting it would be done by using a ?reverse? or ?noddy? of the interviewer, but these became ?unfashionable? and this is seen as the replacement. Sadly, you?re right though, and I suspect Joe Sixpack at home has no idea what the hell he should be looking at or why (to him) ?everything is out of focus?!! Add to the list: ?Dirty? singles (where there is someone or something in foreground that fills some of the frame) ?Wrong? looking room (trendy to be inversed now) Ridiculous amount of cameras on a straightforward ?sit-down? interview with at least one or more of the following: a constantly tracking shot; an extreme wide that shows all the crew/lights etc; a hopelessly mis-matched camera because production wouldn?t pay to have the same type of cameras for all the shots and had no money to grade; the main camera with just one eye in focus as the DOF is too narrow; etc etc.???. Most shoot nowadays we?re getting asked to shoot in 4k or above as well so they can ?reframe? the shots in the edit and get more than one size per camera - another bit of control ebbing away from the camera crew. Life used to be so simple!!! With regard to the same processes slipping into news reports, I would put this down to 2 things: 1. Most news cameras are now the ?full frame/large sensor? type cameras with shallow depth of field (which, I suspect most ENG crews will hate not having a zoom lens that actually goes from '0-100? for the times when they see something far away that hey need quickly) 2. During the pandemic a lot of doco type cameramen have been doing news to get some work and have brought their art form with them. Oh well - we?ll all be able to go back to the pub soon and sunny days are coming and we can all get outside again away from the box. Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 16 Mar 2021, at 08:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > I hadn?t realised just how many things annoy me whilst watching the box, but everything that?s been mentioned would be in my list of pet hates if I took the trouble to compile it. Alan mentioned walking and that prompts me to mention the standard Countryfile formula, also used elsewhere, of walking whilst describing the facts around the topic and then carrying on to walk out of shot once a particular point has been made. I know it helps when cutting to the same person in another setting, but a bit of variety in techniques wouldn?t hurt - I suppose that requires thought and would take extra time on what I imagine are usually quite tight schedules. > > Perhaps the problem is ours - we watch too much TV! > > Mike G > >> On 16 Mar 2021, at 07:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?There?s a variant of that which seems to be obligatory on cooking shows. >> >> The camera operator hides behind stuff in the kitchen ( hanging utensils or things standing on the counter ). The presenter is sharply focussed, while the foreground object is really soft, but the camera tracks along to make it look like a hopelessly out of focus version of Brucie?s conveyor belt. >> >> Other over- used conventions are always in detective dramas. One is where they are searching somewhere for clues. Our hero is prominent in the wide shot when another cop in the distance over-acts spotting something and yells ?Oi Sarge .....? >> >> Another convention is that when a suspect is initially approached, they are always doing something ..... mucking out the pigs, pruning roses, fixing a car engine etc. The police start asking them about the night of the murder, but they continue to nonchalantly do what they were doing. Now I?m the first to concede that in real life I haven?t been the prime suspect in many murder enquiries, but I do think that if the police ( or anybody else ) called to ask me questions, I would pause for a moment and give them my undivided attention. >> >> In news or documentaries, the director often likes to film the interviewee walking along while the voice over or caption introduces them ? Faye Dowt, author of a book about television clich?s?. The trouble is that the person invariably walks in a very self-conscious manner. I did a documentary following the first few days of a bunch of new MPs and one of them asked us for any useful media appearance tips for newbies. I suggested practicing walking in an establishing shot without looking like a pillock. >> >> There is a variant of that establishing shot which is used in many of those property shows mentioned by Mike. The couple walk hand in hand through the streets of a Spanish village. Now for many couples, that?s a routine thing and no problem, but occasionally it looks like the couple have never walked hand in hand in their life and appear awkward at being required to do so. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 23:29, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?This has been mentioned before, but I find myself increasingly aggravated by the widespread habit of taking a wide shot of participants in things like Escape to the Country, with focus set on an often insignificant object close to camera ~ these shots seem to be interminable, whilst the eye and brain struggle with the blurred image of the real subject matter. I often have to search for the object that is actually in focus, because it?s certainly not at the point of concentration. It?s even crept into news coverage of interviews and I can only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras on auto-focus which lock onto nearby objects, because that?s what they do, and now seems to have become de rigueur ~ it seems happen on all channels and it enrages me every time. Almost as annoying as mumbled dialogue, or unequalised personal mics! >>> >>> Am I alone in my misery? >>> >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Closely related is the apparent ownership of every country in the world by one or another presenter. Certainly with wildlife, travel etc. the informative and explanatory narrative was once largely delivered off camera in a manner focussing on the subject rather than the celeb presenter. This enabled the viewer to concentrate on the essence of the programme. There is nothing wrong with balanced on screen inclusion of presenters, especially where their expertise and core involvement is central to the subject. Exemplified of course by David Attenborough who has the gift of communicating in a way that clearly intends to inform you rather than glorify him. 'Fings ain't what they used to be! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 8:39 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Soft options! I hadn?t realised just how many things annoy me whilst watching the box, but everything that?s been mentioned would be in my list of pet hates if I took the trouble to compile it. Alan mentioned walking and that prompts me to mention the standard Countryfile formula, also used elsewhere, of walking whilst describing the facts around the topic and then carrying on to walk out of shot once a particular point has been made. I know it helps when cutting to the same person in another setting, but a bit of variety in techniques wouldn?t hurt - I suppose that requires thought and would take extra time on what I imagine are usually quite tight schedules. Perhaps the problem is ours - we watch too much TV! Mike G > On 16 Mar 2021, at 07:44, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?There?s a variant of that which seems to be obligatory on cooking shows. > > The camera operator hides behind stuff in the kitchen ( hanging utensils > or things standing on the counter ). The presenter is sharply focussed, > while the foreground object is really soft, but the camera tracks along > to make it look like a hopelessly out of focus version of Brucie?s > conveyor belt. > > Other over- used conventions are always in detective dramas. One is where > they are searching somewhere for clues. Our hero is prominent in the wide > shot when another cop in the distance over-acts spotting something and > yells ?Oi Sarge .....? > > Another convention is that when a suspect is initially approached, they > are always doing something ..... mucking out the pigs, pruning roses, > fixing a car engine etc. The police start asking them about the night of > the murder, but they continue to nonchalantly do what they were doing. > Now I?m the first to concede that in real life I haven?t been the prime > suspect in many murder enquiries, but I do think that if the police ( or > anybody else ) called to ask me questions, I would pause for a moment and > give them my undivided attention. > > In news or documentaries, the director often likes to film the interviewee > walking along while the voice over or caption introduces them ? Faye Dowt, > author of a book about television clich?s?. The trouble is that the > person invariably walks in a very self-conscious manner. I did a > documentary following the first few days of a bunch of new MPs and one of > them asked us for any useful media appearance tips for newbies. I > suggested practicing walking in an establishing shot without looking like > a pillock. > > There is a variant of that establishing shot which is used in many of > those property shows mentioned by Mike. The couple walk hand in hand > through the streets of a Spanish village. Now for many couples, that?s a > routine thing and no problem, but occasionally it looks like the couple > have never walked hand in hand in their life and appear awkward at being > required to do so. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 15 Mar 2021, at 23:29, Mike Giles via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?This has been mentioned before, but I find myself increasingly >> aggravated by the widespread habit of taking a wide shot of participants >> in things like Escape to the Country, with focus set on an often >> insignificant object close to camera ~ these shots seem to be >> interminable, whilst the eye and brain struggle with the blurred image of >> the real subject matter. I often have to search for the object that is >> actually in focus, because it?s certainly not at the point of >> concentration. It?s even crept into news coverage of interviews and I can >> only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras >> on auto-focus which lock onto nearby objects, because that?s what they >> do, and now seems to have become de rigueur ~ it seems happen on all >> channels and it enrages me every time. Almost as annoying as mumbled >> dialogue, or unequalised personal mics! >> >> Am I alone in my misery? >> >> Mike G From doug.prior at talktalk.net Tue Mar 16 05:11:29 2021 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:11:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> References: <0FEB0B05-BDDD-479F-9479-43A28DC8F7C9@mac.com> Message-ID: <1733742662.91964.1615889490246@apps.talktalk.co.uk> A convention I have never understood - used mainly in documentaries - is where someone is referenced and a still is cut to and the camera then slowly pans up to reveal the face. Doug Prior -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 16 05:29:36 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:29:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <69709C3C-CFB8-4A3F-8BE1-8AD9335C089B@mac.com> References: <69709C3C-CFB8-4A3F-8BE1-8AD9335C089B@mac.com> Message-ID: <6f878dd1-495d-a539-d8ad-1e9b543201e1@gmail.com> On 15/03/2021 23:28, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I can only assume that it derives from producers (sorry Bernie!) using cameras on auto-focus I've always said to students "Put anything you need in auto, but never the focus".?? For fly on the wall I was always in manual focus - though nothing else -? but with my finger on Push Auto.? Other stuff - sound, white balance, iris - are fine in auto as long as you are familiar with how they work. Other training exercises - get someone to walk in front of a window, or listen on cans to the sound after someone talks loudly into the mic. The "introducing a person or place" shot is always a pain. As you say, telling people to walk or whatever usually makes them self conscious. I've had problems with places too, and in a film I've long used for training, thus having seen it many times, I featured as a buyer of a Chinese take away (cameraman Tony Grant) because no one else would do it. I've done variations on that since - walk through a door or whatever. Make your life easy if possible. As for pet hates - I obviously don't watch enough television. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.prior at talktalk.net Tue Mar 16 06:14:26 2021 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:14:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <171F1C63-BD77-4A17-B8DB-4F76C283CBBA@icloud.com> References: <171F1C63-BD77-4A17-B8DB-4F76C283CBBA@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1175439239.97177.1615893266942@apps.talktalk.co.uk> What would a diagonal be? Doug Prior Sent from OX Mail On March 16, 2021 at 10:22 AM Graham Maunder wrote: > Or do they tilt up????!!!!!!! > > Graham Maunder (off forum!) > > > > > On 16 Mar 2021, at 10:11, doug prior via Tech1 wrote: > > > > A convention I have never understood - used mainly in documentaries - is where someone is referenced and a still is cut to and the camera then slowly pans up to reveal the face. > > > > Doug Prior > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 16 06:16:09 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:16:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <6f878dd1-495d-a539-d8ad-1e9b543201e1@gmail.com> References: <6f878dd1-495d-a539-d8ad-1e9b543201e1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A4399CE-ECD1-43C9-9648-094AC83DD775@me.com> When as I explained earlier, I explained to newbie MPs the problem of looking awkward when walking for the camera, Mo Mowlem was in the room and added that when you get promoted to be a minister, the crew always ask you to pore over an important document and write pencil notes in the margin. She went on to tell them to be careful what you write because the crew always try to read it. We had a few minutes earlier done an establishing shot of her annotating a document. It was still on her desk and following what she said, I couldn?t resist looking to see what she had written in the margin. ?Nice crew with pert bottoms?. She spotted me sneaking a crafty look and laughed ?You guys are too predictable?. Alan Taylor > On 16 Mar 2021, at 10:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > The "introducing a person or place" shot is always a pain. As you say, telling people to walk or whatever usually makes them self conscious. I've had problems with places too, and in a film I've long used for training, thus having seen it many times, I featured as a buyer of a Chinese take away (cameraman Tony Grant) because no one else would do it. I've done variations on that since - walk through a door or whatever. Make your life easy if possible. > > As for pet hates - I obviously don't watch enough television. > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 16 06:23:47 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:23:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <8A4399CE-ECD1-43C9-9648-094AC83DD775@me.com> References: <6f878dd1-495d-a539-d8ad-1e9b543201e1@gmail.com> <8A4399CE-ECD1-43C9-9648-094AC83DD775@me.com> Message-ID: <60509543.1c69fb81.6c482.96bf@mx.google.com> An old girlfriend mentioned that her father would often comment NLB when observing a good looking female. Now NLB in the film industry meant No Lunch Break (more overtime!) However, I was assured that her father meant Nice Little Bum! I suppose he would today be castigated as sexist. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 16 March 2021 11:16 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Soft options! We had a few minutes earlier done an establishing shot of her annotating a document. It was still on her desk and following what she said, I couldn?t resist looking to see what she had written in the margin. ?Nice crew with pert bottoms?. She spotted me sneaking a crafty look and laughed ?You guys are too predictable?. 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Best wishes to all Albert > On 16 Mar 2021, at 11:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > When as I explained earlier, I explained to newbie MPs the problem of looking awkward when walking for the camera, Mo Mowlem was in the room and added that when you get promoted to be a minister, the crew always ask you to pore over an important document and write pencil notes in the margin. She went on to tell them to be careful what you write because the crew always try to read it. > > We had a few minutes earlier done an establishing shot of her annotating a document. It was still on her desk and following what she said, I couldn?t resist looking to see what she had written in the margin. ?Nice crew with pert bottoms?. She spotted me sneaking a crafty look and laughed ?You guys are too predictable?. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 16 Mar 2021, at 10:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The "introducing a person or place" shot is always a pain. As you say, telling people to walk or whatever usually makes them self conscious. I've had problems with places too, and in a film I've long used for training, thus having seen it many times, I featured as a buyer of a Chinese take away (cameraman Tony Grant) because no one else would do it. I've done variations on that since - walk through a door or whatever. Make your life easy if possible. >> >> As for pet hates - I obviously don't watch enough television. >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alan_machin at hotmail.com Tue Mar 16 06:53:13 2021 From: alan_machin at hotmail.com (Alan Machin) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:53:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Murray In-Reply-To: References: <87C17956-4AD8-49E5-BFFC-D3A9136B2680@mac.com>, Message-ID: Thanks for the memories, Mike. I never covered any races on site, just some of those taking place outside Europe where Murray and James would commentate standing in the booth next to the TC5 Production Gallery. I seem to remember them sharing a lip mic at one time, but they probably soon had to use two due to the difference in levels! At the start of one season James was missing when we went on air (I think there had been some sort of mix-up with his contract), but he raced in and needless to say, Murray covered for him, seamlessly handing over as though he had been there all the time. I think that the old traffic cop?s line ?Who do you think you are, Stirling Moss?? applied equally to James Hunt. Lovely characters to work with! Alan M. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: nick--- via Tech1 Sent: 14 March 2021 12:15 To: Tech Ops; Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] Murray Thanks Mike for your memories which made me smile. Very early in my career at TVC, as Dick Green's Trainee, I was amazed, in Pres B, when we set up Comms and a small monitor for Murray and James. I really didn't know that could happen. My essential memory was Murray standing excitedly and James slumped in a chair! ? Nick WAY -- Sent from my Android phone with 1&1 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On 14/03/2021, 12:53 Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: I am very sad to hear of Murray Walker?s passing - one of life?s true gentlemen. I did several Grand Prix with him and James Hunt, back in the day when the tech support was one man, carrying everything required as excess baggage. Traditionally, it had always been an ICR Engineer who went with them, but Dave Wharton encouraged the system to include sound people amongst the pool of candidates. Murray was always most grateful for everything you did to make his job easier and was not averse to helping cart the cases of kit that were required to supplement the host broadcaster?s commentary equipment, unlike the producer of the day, whose prime objective always seemed to be to find hospitality as soon as we got on site and would then be chafing at the bit at the end of the day because we were all in one car and he had to wait whilst the kit had to be packed up - he would then march ahead without offering any help, whilst Murray took as much stuff as he was able. I have two very significant memories from the trips I did. On one occasion, during the race, I was under the commentary desk, chasing a failed coord circuit, when it seemed as though someone had tipped over a bottle of luke warm water which was now making me quite wet - as I crawled out I discovered that what was dripping on me was in fact Murray?s sweat - still warm! The other occasion I count as one of the highlights of my time with Aunty Beeb. After one event in the south of France, the producer had brought his wife along as they were going on holiday immediately after the race, so it was only Murray and me to fly back to the UK. For some reason, we couldn?t use the airport nearest Marseille which he had flown in to, so Murray drove me from Marseille to Nice, through gorgeous Mediterranean countryside on a fabulous day. What a raconteur! The tales he told during those few hours would fill a book, if only I could remember them all. I think it was that event where I got back to TV Centre to find some consternation amongst the ICR guys, because I had managed a recording of the pit to car radio during the race, which apparently the producer had been angling to get for some time without success. It was one of those occasions when I was pilloried (with all good humour, I hasten to add) because henceforth it would always be expected! 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URL: From sue.malden at btinternet.com Tue Mar 16 08:11:18 2021 From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (SUSAN MALDEN) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:11:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Old Quad tapes In-Reply-To: <9460AFA0-EA0D-4044-92DE-2AAF6E923648@btinternet.com> References: <3de36a02-6075-9d26-e766-16b974fa9827@gmail.com> <9460AFA0-EA0D-4044-92DE-2AAF6E923648@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks Albert I have sent it on to Phil Morris, but I see it is already on the Kaleidoscope FB page Cheers Sue ------ Original Message ------ From: "Albert Barber" To: "Sue Malden" ; "Bernard Newnham via Tech1" Cc: "A Barber" Sent: Monday, 15 Mar, 21 At 22:39 Subject: Fwd: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes Hello Mike. I have forwarded this to Sue Malden who might be of help Albert Begin forwarded message: From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes Date: 15 March 2021 at 18:09:49 GMT To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply-To: Bernard Newnham > Kaleidoscope, also on Facebook, are the people who rescue old stuff thought lost. You should have a good look at the labels very soon before they chuck them all. Also, if you can come by a cleanish one, I'd like it please. reasonable price paid Thanks B On 15/03/2021 17:36, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I guess it?s a question of where they can be played. You could try Lucy Woodward 020 8840 6293 who runs a business transferring stuff between various formats. Or Charles Norton, a young archivist 0116 2290558 candjnorton at yahoo.com who might be able to point you at BBC Archives. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 15 March 2021 17:05 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Old Quad tapes Looking for someone interested. Walking from Brentford to Kew this afternoon, I came by the little shop just near The Musical Museum that still sells loads of ex-Army bits. Outside was a flat truck with loads of old stuff on it and a couple of 2? Quad tape boxes. Old labels with BFBS (British Forces Broadcasting Service) labels. Spoke to guys clearing out/knocking down sheds behind who showed me a pile of tape boxes and they throw away a couple each trip to dump!. Had to go but called back in and took this photo of about 60 tapes. Looked inside a few and in very good condition. Unlabelled as to content but two had LWT stickers. It struck me that they might have heritage material on and mentioned that I would circulate this information to see if there was any interest. I know a load of old stuff that was thought lost has been found in odd places. I suspect that there is now no BBC department interested so trying here. Is there anyone interested? I have the phone number of the guy who runs the shop who wasn?t there today but is probably Charlie or Bill on 0778 035 0937 I may post this on Facebook ?Memories of TC? as well. If I don?t hear from anyone in a few days/a week I will go and see them and say thanks. Mike Jordan Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 16 11:47:03 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:47:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2191D84F-4EEB-47A0-A51C-D2EDC75C350E@mac.com> > On 16 Mar 2021, at 09:55, David Newbitt wrote: > > sugges From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 16 11:51:00 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:51:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B5C811C-B4A4-46DB-9E45-B60D70697A18@mac.com> You?ve obviously forgotten the Armand and Michaela Denis wildlife programmes, Dave - one or other of them was in nearly every shot! Or so it seems from memory. Mike G > On 16 Mar 2021, at 09:55, David Newbitt wrote: > > Like Mike, I find the whole list of irritations a r?sum? of my armchair rantings. Would it be too cynical to suggest that very much allied to some of these moans has been the emergence of the presenter as being more important than the subject matter? > > I'M JOE BLOW and I'LL BE FINDING the story behind this and I'LL BE REVEALING the hidden truth, so join me JOE BLOW and see how MY INVESTIGATION has enabled this EXCLUSIVE behind the scenes look at what you're dying to know. Closely related is the apparent ownership of every country in the world by one or another presenter. > > Certainly with wildlife, travel etc. the informative and explanatory narrative was once largely delivered off camera in a manner focussing on the subject rather than the celeb presenter. This enabled the viewer to concentrate on the essence of the programme. There is nothing wrong with balanced on screen inclusion of presenters, especially where their expertise and core involvement is central to the subject. Exemplified of course by David Attenborough who has the gift of communicating in a way that clearly intends to inform you rather than glorify him. > > 'Fings ain't what they used to be! > > Dave Newbitt. From tuckergarth at me.com Tue Mar 16 12:15:54 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:15:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mis-focused wide shots Message-ID: Yes, my family are fed up with me whinging on about wide shots focused on the f/g when the interest is in the distance. I assume it all started to help with sound edits as lip sync is then undetectable on any human interest. It comes under my heading of 'lamentable fad?. Garth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Mar 16 12:22:35 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:22:35 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <2B5C811C-B4A4-46DB-9E45-B60D70697A18@mac.com> References: <2B5C811C-B4A4-46DB-9E45-B60D70697A18@mac.com> Message-ID: <75B5A37249BE43FF9C186A53B90F124C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Fair point Mike - come to think of it there were others too - Jacques Cousteau wasn't exactly backward in coming forward for one. On balance though I do feel that modern era material is really over dominated by presenters. I don't know when the concept of 'learning' the art of presentation came to the fore but as well as what clearly can be very helpful technique-wise there is a sameness about the result of the process which I often find tiresome. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 4:51 PM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Soft options! You?ve obviously forgotten the Armand and Michaela Denis wildlife programmes, Dave - one or other of them was in nearly every shot! Or so it seems from memory. Mike G > On 16 Mar 2021, at 09:55, David Newbitt wrote: > > Like Mike, I find the whole list of irritations a r?sum? of my armchair > rantings. Would it be too cynical to suggest that very much allied to some > of these moans has been the emergence of the presenter as being more > important than the subject matter? > > I'M JOE BLOW and I'LL BE FINDING the story behind this and I'LL BE > REVEALING the hidden truth, so join me JOE BLOW and see how MY > INVESTIGATION has enabled this EXCLUSIVE behind the scenes look at what > you're dying to know. Closely related is the apparent ownership of every > country in the world by one or another presenter. > > Certainly with wildlife, travel etc. the informative and explanatory > narrative was once largely delivered off camera in a manner focussing on > the subject rather than the celeb presenter. This enabled the viewer to > concentrate on the essence of the programme. There is nothing wrong with > balanced on screen inclusion of presenters, especially where their > expertise and core involvement is central to the subject. Exemplified of > course by David Attenborough who has the gift of communicating in a way > that clearly intends to inform you rather than glorify him. > > 'Fings ain't what they used to be! > > Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 16 13:40:17 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:40:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <2B5C811C-B4A4-46DB-9E45-B60D70697A18@mac.com> References: <2B5C811C-B4A4-46DB-9E45-B60D70697A18@mac.com> Message-ID: <6050fb92.1c69fb81.ca408.fa61@mx.google.com> Armand Denis was an innovative engineer, in that he invented an automatic volume control for radio, and developed a printer to even out exposure of damaged film stock. I?ve extracted a bit from his autobiography which I?ll post later. I remember the two of them speaking to camera, sitting on camp chairs outside their tent. Best Pat. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 16 March 2021 16:51 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Soft options! You?ve obviously forgotten the Armand and Michaela Denis wildlife programmes, Dave - one or other of them was in nearly every shot! Or so it seems from memory. Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Tue Mar 16 15:16:14 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 20:16:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <8A4399CE-ECD1-43C9-9648-094AC83DD775@me.com> References: <6f878dd1-495d-a539-d8ad-1e9b543201e1@gmail.com> <8A4399CE-ECD1-43C9-9648-094AC83DD775@me.com> Message-ID: I featured as a buyer of a Chinese take away (cameraman Tony Grant) ......snip........ Make your life easy if possible. I like the implied compliment - make your life easy if possible - with - cameraman Tony Grant. Thanks Bernie, the cheque's in the post (again). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 16 18:26:26 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 23:26:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam Message-ID: 27 more e-mails and all in SPAM! What are you lot doing to me? Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 16 19:07:37 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 00:07:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Murray Message-ID: <0AFA853F-CD8E-4BAD-88DD-1EB2326F2B58@mac.com> For anyone who missed it, there was a repeat of a documentary on Murray Walker from a couple of years back on BBC1 after the ten o?clock news on Tuesday evening. Thoroughly entertaining, whether or not you like motor sport. Mike G From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 16 19:37:00 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 00:37:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Murray In-Reply-To: <0AFA853F-CD8E-4BAD-88DD-1EB2326F2B58@mac.com> References: <0AFA853F-CD8E-4BAD-88DD-1EB2326F2B58@mac.com> Message-ID: <1d6afb40-6a5b-4d86-93e6-b0c08a5f5f2f@btinternet.com> Whilst on the OB Sports Unit we had several shoots with Murray. One to the Isle Of Man to interview Nigel Mansell on the lawn of his lovely home overlooking sea. After that , we dropped the tape into IOM telecom to send back to HQ and Murray wanted to show us where his dad had raced in the TT races and especially the famous wooden leader board. A lovely day out with a real enthusiast! A second shoot was at Murray's house down a private drive in the middle of nowhere down south! We set up on his lawn in lovely sunshine and did a super interview. His wife came home and asked if we had shown the house in the background? Of course, we had. She made us do the whole thing again looking the other way in case burglars recognised where Murray lived! His prize possession was a large book about Ferrari signed by Enzo Ferrari himself. I remember his commentery years ago, when I lived at home, on the weekly Motor Cycle Scrambles on ATV Midlands. It was always Arthur Lampkin 'going up the ascent and down the descent!' Typical Murray! When the Beeb did F1 you would see Murray on his feet for the commentary and James Hunt arriving just before the off, fully relaxed in his chair. We interviewed James at his home just up the hill from Wimbledon Centre Court. He had a small A35 in his drive to take the kids about and a huge aviary in his living room!? He died shortly afterwards and Mark Wilkin said the last thing James said to him was that he had 'at long last got his life sorted out'! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 16 19:58:18 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 00:58:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bill Bryson In-Reply-To: <1989282915.172088.1615820839720@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> <1989282915.172088.1615820839720@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <10f34240-0b35-5ce9-e729-1fe13351bbed@btinternet.com> Very amusing books and very informative. His daughter lives near to us in Thames Ditton. I am working my way through 'Little Dribbling' which mentions so many places I have been to or worked in! Cheers, Dave On 15/03/2021 15:07, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > Bernie, > > If it helps, I have joined Surrey Libraries and they have an online > service and am galloping through several Bill Bryson books at the > moment on my phone. They can also be read on a tablet. Both need an > App downloaded. > > Nick WAY >> On 15/03/2021 12:47 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and >> get more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from >> Waterstones (patronise local traders). >> >> The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two >> books recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with >> the other -? and what a come down.? The second book was Machines Like >> Me by Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics >> around the world. The first was Thin Air? by Richard Morgan, he of >> Altered Carbon, and you've probably never heard of him.? Morgan's >> book is like thrashing along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a >> just slow dull plod - I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack >> McDevitt. >> >> So - what do you read? What can you recommend? >> >> B >> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 17 03:25:34 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:25:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alternative to wind turbines Message-ID: Some of you might be interested in this development. It?s a different way to generate small scale power from wind by using carbon fibre tubes which oscillate in the wind and produce power from a mechanism a little like the voice coil in a loudspeaker, which is built into the cylinder. The major difference being that in this device, the coils and magnets oscillate from side to side rather than up and down like a piston. The assembly flexes and doesn?t require lubrication or maintenance as there are no rotating or hinged parts. The product is still being developed, but looks very promising. Their web site contains a lot of explanatory material. https://vortexbladeless.com/ Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Mar 17 03:43:06 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:43:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alternative to wind turbines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Strikes me it should also work in water to harness tidal energy. Graeme Wall > On 17 Mar 2021, at 08:26, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Some of you might be interested in this development. It?s a different way to generate small scale power from wind by using carbon fibre tubes which oscillate in the wind and produce power from a mechanism a little like the voice coil in a loudspeaker, which is built into the cylinder. The major difference being that in this device, the coils and magnets oscillate from side to side rather than up and down like a piston. The assembly flexes and doesn?t require lubrication or maintenance as there are no rotating or hinged parts. > > The product is still being developed, but looks very promising. Their web site contains a lot of explanatory material. > > https://vortexbladeless.com/ > > Alan Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 17 04:28:08 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:28:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Soft options! In-Reply-To: <6050fb92.1c69fb81.ca408.fa61@mx.google.com> References: <2B5C811C-B4A4-46DB-9E45-B60D70697A18@mac.com> <6050fb92.1c69fb81.ca408.fa61@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6051cba9.1c69fb81.9b641.18b6@mx.google.com> Here is the story of the variable light printer that Armand invented, and why it was necessary. Quite a clever chap. I knew about the damaged film and how it was rescued. His whole book is fascinating, and I found it on the Internet. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: patheigham Sent: 16 March 2021 18:40 To: Mike Giles; Tech Ops Subject: RE: [Tech1] Soft options! Armand Denis was an innovative engineer, in that he invented an automatic volume control for radio, and developed a printer to even out exposure of damaged film stock. I?ve extracted a bit from his autobiography which I?ll post later. I remember the two of them speaking to camera, sitting on camp chairs outside their tent. Best Pat. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 16 March 2021 16:51 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Soft options! You?ve obviously forgotten the Armand and Michaela Denis wildlife programmes, Dave - one or other of them was in nearly every shot! Or so it seems from memory. Mike G This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Armand Denis automatic printer.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 27970 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 93DBCDE2DE3748689A731E185E6604F0.png Type: image/png Size: 155 bytes Desc: not available URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Mar 17 05:16:00 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:16:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ian McEwan lives near to me in a vast Cotswold Manor House that once belonged to Pat Smythe I consider him highly overrated , but Attonement was a fascinating film, though with plenty of gaping plot holes. Solar is entertaining but the Robot AI novel feeble as the radio 4 dramatisation revealed. Im rereading Bill Brysons the History of nearly everything, which is reliable BB and good for lockdown. I am a keen William Boyd reader but his latest 'Trio ' fails for me ,its about a film being produced in Brighton in 68, starring a Jean Seeburg type actress and an Adam Faith type pop star. The mechanics and people of the film do not ring true, and Seeburg is not revealed enough for credibility. Many lockdown books have failed, Rose Tremains latest is a dud. Its better to rediscover old favourites imho. Just bought a book on Classical Recording, Decca Style from the AES, thats good in a Decca way. Roger > On 15 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and get more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from Waterstones (patronise local traders). > > The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two books recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with the other - and what a come down. The second book was Machines Like Me by Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics around the world. The first was Thin Air by Richard Morgan, he of Altered Carbon, and you've probably never heard of him. Morgan's book is like thrashing along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a just slow dull plod - I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack McDevitt. > > So - what do you read? What can you recommend? > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 05:53:48 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:53:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bf45d5f-a6f8-8d92-3759-3520b585f668@gmail.com> It does seem that this is a very rare and personal problem, unique to you. For this reason I feel that you should contact my assistant and arrange a visit to my surgery. I've now found my "Looking-Inside-Engine-Cylinders" endoscope, which I am sure will come in extremely useful in finding the problem and fixing it. Alternatively - I don't know what email client you are using, but on Thunderbird you can give emails a destination folder based on some property. All my tech1 emails go to their own folder, which over-rides any mechanical thoughts of spamminess. B On 16/03/2021 23:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > 27 more e-mails and all in SPAM! What are you lot doing to me? Cheers, > Dave > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Mar 17 06:52:54 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 11:52:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Alternative to wind turbines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are quite a number of "movement" generators being contemplated currently. Some, like this, use rigid pole-blades, some use very flexible ones (like saplings or even as thin as grasses). Others use natural movements such as those of people, possibly attached to their limbs, or using their foot traffic on a walkway. There was even an attempt to do this with cars on a road. Suffice it to say that so far none have really made the grade. They tend to produce rather low levels of power, if they function at all. I suspect some will become useful enough to find a place in the practical world, but I doubt that they will take over a substantial part of power generation. A shame, because they could be a lot less intrusive than current turbines. Chris Woolf On 17/03/2021 08:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Some of you might be interested in this development. ?It?s a different > way to generate small scale power from wind by using carbon fibre > tubes which oscillate in the wind and produce power from a mechanism a > little like the voice coil in a loudspeaker, which is built into the > cylinder. The major difference being that in this device, the coils > and magnets oscillate from side to side rather than up and down like a > piston. The assembly flexes and doesn?t require lubrication or > maintenance as there are no rotating or hinged parts. > > The product is still being developed, but looks very promising. Their > web site contains a lot of explanatory material. > > https://vortexbladeless.com/ > > Alan Taylor > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 07:05:03 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 12:05:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Various people have recommended the Surrey Libraries ebook system, for which thank you.? I've tried ebooks in one form or another, including this one, down the years, and just haven't enjoyed the experience. Lying in bed or bath reading with a tablet doesn't work for me? - especially since I broke my tablet trying to change the battery and haven't bothered to replace it.? On my phone I have an e-reader, and it's loaded with 1930s pulp scifi from Project Gutenberg for when I run out of other material on train journeys. B PS - I've now changed the MailMan settings again, as of 1200 on 17/3/21. Let me know if anything changes at your end. On 17/03/2021 10:16, Roger E Long wrote: > Ian McEwan lives near to me in a vast Cotswold Manor House that once > belonged to Pat Smythe > I consider him highly overrated , but Attonement was a fascinating > film, though with plenty of gaping plot holes. > Solar is entertaining but the Robot AI novel feeble as the radio 4 > dramatisation revealed. > Im rereading Bill Brysons the History of nearly everything, which is > reliable BB and good for lockdown. > I am a keen William Boyd reader but his latest 'Trio ' fails for me > ,its about a film being produced in Brighton in 68, starring a Jean > Seeburg type actress and an Adam Faith type pop star. > The mechanics and people of the film do not ring true, and Seeburg is > not revealed enough for credibility. > Many lockdown books have failed, Rose Tremains latest is a dud. > Its better to rediscover old favourites imho. > Just bought a book on Classical Recording, Decca Style from the AES, > thats good in a Decca way. > Roger > >> On 15 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and >> get more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from >> Waterstones (patronise local traders). >> >> The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two >> books recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with >> the other -? and what a come down.? The second book was Machines Like >> Me by Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics >> around the world. The first was Thin Air? by Richard Morgan, he of >> Altered Carbon, and you've probably never heard of him.? Morgan's >> book is like thrashing along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a >> just slow dull plod - I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack >> McDevitt. >> >> So - what do you read? What can you recommend? >> >> B >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Mar 17 07:28:02 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 12:28:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ED78FB8-1326-48CC-898F-DD68A44ACA17@btinternet.com> Hi Bernie, Last email didn?t go in my spam box?.well done for whatever you did! Barry. On 17 Mar 2021, at 12:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > From: Bernard Newnham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who reads what? > Date: 17 March 2021 12:05:03 GMT > To: Roger E Long , Bernard Newnham > Cc: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" > > > Various people have recommended the Surrey Libraries ebook system, for which thank you. I've tried ebooks in one form or another, including this one, down the years, and just haven't enjoyed the experience. Lying in bed or bath reading with a tablet doesn't work for me - especially since I broke my tablet trying to change the battery and haven't bothered to replace it. On my phone I have an e-reader, and it's loaded with 1930s pulp scifi from Project Gutenberg for when I run out of other material on train journeys. > > B > > PS - I've now changed the MailMan settings again, as of 1200 on 17/3/21. Let me know if anything changes at your end. > > > > > On 17/03/2021 10:16, Roger E Long wrote: >> Ian McEwan lives near to me in a vast Cotswold Manor House that once belonged to Pat Smythe >> I consider him highly overrated , but Attonement was a fascinating film, though with plenty of gaping plot holes. >> Solar is entertaining but the Robot AI novel feeble as the radio 4 dramatisation revealed. >> Im rereading Bill Brysons the History of nearly everything, which is reliable BB and good for lockdown. >> I am a keen William Boyd reader but his latest 'Trio ' fails for me ,its about a film being produced in Brighton in 68, starring a Jean Seeburg type actress and an Adam Faith type pop star. >> The mechanics and people of the film do not ring true, and Seeburg is not revealed enough for credibility. >> Many lockdown books have failed, Rose Tremains latest is a dud. >> Its better to rediscover old favourites imho. >> Just bought a book on Classical Recording, Decca Style from the AES, thats good in a Decca way. >> Roger >> >>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and get more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from Waterstones (patronise local traders). >>> >>> The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two books recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with the other - and what a come down. The second book was Machines Like Me by Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics around the world. The first was Thin Air by Richard Morgan, he of Altered Carbon, and you've probably never heard of him. Morgan's book is like thrashing along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a just slow dull plod - I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack McDevitt. >>> >>> So - what do you read? What can you recommend? >>> >>> B >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Mar 17 07:48:23 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 12:48:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? Message-ID: ?Last two (Chris W and Bernie) came to me with no content, but had a mime-attachment that contained the message. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 17 Mar 2021, at 12:28, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi Bernie, Last email didn?t go in my spam box?.well done for whatever you did! Barry. On 17 Mar 2021, at 12:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: From: Bernard Newnham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who reads what? Date: 17 March 2021 12:05:03 GMT To: Roger E Long >, Bernard Newnham > Cc: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" > Various people have recommended the Surrey Libraries ebook system, for which thank you. I've tried ebooks in one form or another, including this one, down the years, and just haven't enjoyed the experience. Lying in bed or bath reading with a tablet doesn't work for me - especially since I broke my tablet trying to change the battery and haven't bothered to replace it. On my phone I have an e-reader, and it's loaded with 1930s pulp scifi from Project Gutenberg for when I run out of other material on train journeys. B PS - I've now changed the MailMan settings again, as of 1200 on 17/3/21. Let me know if anything changes at your end. On 17/03/2021 10:16, Roger E Long wrote: Ian McEwan lives near to me in a vast Cotswold Manor House that once belonged to Pat Smythe I consider him highly overrated , but Attonement was a fascinating film, though with plenty of gaping plot holes. Solar is entertaining but the Robot AI novel feeble as the radio 4 dramatisation revealed. Im rereading Bill Brysons the History of nearly everything, which is reliable BB and good for lockdown. I am a keen William Boyd reader but his latest 'Trio ' fails for me ,its about a film being produced in Brighton in 68, starring a Jean Seeburg type actress and an Adam Faith type pop star. The mechanics and people of the film do not ring true, and Seeburg is not revealed enough for credibility. Many lockdown books have failed, Rose Tremains latest is a dud. Its better to rediscover old favourites imho. Just bought a book on Classical Recording, Decca Style from the AES, thats good in a Decca way. Roger On 15 Mar 2021, at 12:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: With Woking Library long closed, so I can't take my books back and get more, I'm either re-reading stuff here, or buying from Waterstones (patronise local traders). The reason for offering this for discussion is that I bought two books recently. I finished one yesterday and started straight in with the other - and what a come down. The second book was Machines Like Me by Ian McEwan - a man very well known, and much feted by critics around the world. The first was Thin Air by Richard Morgan, he of Altered Carbon, and you've probably never heard of him. Morgan's book is like thrashing along on a mad blustery day, and McEwan's is a just slow dull plod - I've given up. I've moved on to re-read a Jack McDevitt. So - what do you read? What can you recommend? B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Mar 17 07:49:15 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 12:49:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Your email now arrives as an eml? attachment, which is why it doesn't show below.?John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Date: 17/03/2021 12:05 (GMT+00:00) To: Roger E Long , Bernard Newnham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who reads what? -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Mar 17 08:24:13 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:24:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam In-Reply-To: <3394F91E-7EBA-4C8A-8255-C23B621C8427@mac.com> References: <3394F91E-7EBA-4C8A-8255-C23B621C8427@mac.com> Message-ID: <88b35a0a-50d0-d4d7-3234-3b55881f78c9@btinternet.com> Are you including yours in that assumption? Cheers, Dave On 17/03/2021 08:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Perhaps your mail app is commenting on the quality of the messages you receive, Dave! > > Mike G > >> On 16 Mar 2021, at 23:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?27 more e-mails and all in SPAM! What are you lot doing to me? Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 17 08:55:29 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:55:29 +0000 Subject: Armand Denis Message-ID: <60520a51.1c69fb81.a4efe.b32f@mx.google.com> This is both a message to Alec and a test to see if I receive it back as included in the tech ops mailings. Alec ? somehow I happened across the full text of Armand?s autobiography, from which I extracted the story of the variable light printer. I did not save it and now cannot find it again! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Mar 17 09:11:06 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:11:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: <3ED78FB8-1326-48CC-898F-DD68A44ACA17@btinternet.com> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> <3ED78FB8-1326-48CC-898F-DD68A44ACA17@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <590ea6de96davesound@btinternet.com> In article <3ED78FB8-1326-48CC-898F-DD68A44ACA17 at btinternet.com>, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Bernie, > Last email didn?t go in my spam box .well done for whatever you did! > Barry. And arrived here with no ASCI text, and a Marcel file (b86) attachment, as has several others today. I'm used to getting other files as attachments (HTML, etc) but this is a new one here. Not quite sure why so many email progs seem incapable of sending plain ASCI text these days. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 09:32:24 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:32:24 +0000 Subject: In our house, we think it is a dead cert ... Message-ID: <2da54306-e669-8414-774e-2b2790eb6cf4@gmail.com> Hi All, ] another TikTok video which came my way? - for your enjoyment. Is it spam ? -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 17 11:23:36 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:23:36 +0000 Subject: From my local Nextdoor forum Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cpednkfngpikgdam.png Type: image/png Size: 21111 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Mar 17 11:23:50 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:23:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam In-Reply-To: <88b35a0a-50d0-d4d7-3234-3b55881f78c9@btinternet.com> References: <88b35a0a-50d0-d4d7-3234-3b55881f78c9@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <173BF4AE-4952-414F-9E6B-BF9C887B7658@mac.com> Absolutely! Mike G > On 17 Mar 2021, at 13:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Are you including yours in that assumption? Cheers, Dave > >> On 17/03/2021 08:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> Perhaps your mail app is commenting on the quality of the messages you receive, Dave! >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 16 Mar 2021, at 23:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?27 more e-mails and all in SPAM! What are you lot doing to me? Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Mar 17 11:32:02 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:32:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who reads what? In-Reply-To: <590ea6de96davesound@btinternet.com> References: <590ea6de96davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <97E7A4A0-1F92-49F1-8C66-C224095A563C@mac.com> Hi Bernie, Today?s messages are appearing as Mime attachments within the body of the e-mail. Not a problem, but it?s never been like that before fir me. Mike G > On 17 Mar 2021, at 14:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <3ED78FB8-1326-48CC-898F-DD68A44ACA17 at btinternet.com>, > Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >> Hi Bernie, >> Last email didn?t go in my spam box?.well done for whatever you did! >> Barry. > > > And arrived here with no ASCI text, and a Marcel file (b86) attachment, as > has several others today. I'm used to getting other files as attachments > (HTML, etc) but this is a new one here. > > Not quite sure why so many email progs seem incapable of sending plain > ASCI text these days. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Wed Mar 17 12:03:47 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:03:47 +0000 Subject: Early BBC Radio mics and cameras Message-ID: The BBC Archive page has the interesting video of the 1967 broadcast covering the climb of The Old Man Of Hoy. It can be seen here: https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/ Now this item has been discussed on Tech-Ops before of course, but I do find it fascinating to contemplate the difficulties involved. In July 1967 we have: 1:"Four Radio Cameramen": Each with small portable cameras with 'back-packs'. They aren't LDK14's since they came much later, so are they Marconi VIIIP portables, or something even earlier? I love the cameraman 'leaning' back to shoot up the rock face, even if he is being held by a colleague. 2: The camera Radio TX kit. We see this big piece of kit being 'held on' alongside that cameraman. 3: Radio mic from Joe Brown. The mic would be taped to his helmet I guess, but there's the receiver and the VHF aerials to house, plus mains feed. 4: Radio ear-piece to Joe Brown. So there's the transmitter for that as well. 5: Chris Bonnington, standing in a gale - obviously being 'boomed' . The BBC R&D reported on the Senny 805 in 1966, so it could be that. I remember Senny made 'windshields', but that was before the Rycote 'sheep' outer cover (question to Chris Woolfe perhaps)? 6: Getting the signal out from The Orkneys....now that would have been fun . Microwave for vision, plus laying the PO lines across from the nearest connection block, to the site for the audio and comms. 7: The de-rigged gear from MCR27 - in a tented Control Room I guess. If there are 4 Radio cameras, plus say 2 or 3 Pye MkVI's, it's quite a rig in that tent. More camera CCU kit than MCR27 usually used. Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. 'Merit Awards' for all I reckon! So when did the first Radio Cameras arrive? And the first use by the BBC of radio mics? ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? David T www.postfade.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <590ea6de96davesound@btinternet.com> References: <2f17e426-89bb-25da-fb3b-d44e300722f5@gmail.com> <3ED78FB8-1326-48CC-898F-DD68A44ACA17@btinternet.com> <590ea6de96davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Davr the same has happened to my oxmail /talktalkmail account. All email from tech-ops have content is a file I cannot open. My gmail account is ok and reads content as usual !! Doug Prior On Wed, 17 Mar 2021, 14:11 Dave Plowman via Tech1, wrote: > In article <3ED78FB8-1326-48CC-898F-DD68A44ACA17 at btinternet.com>, > Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > > Last email didn?t go in my spam box?.well done for whatever you > did! > > Barry. > > > And arrived here with no ASCI text, and a Marcel file (b86) attachment, as > has several others today. I'm used to getting other files as attachments > (HTML, etc) but this is a new one here. > > Not quite sure why so many email progs seem incapable of sending plain > ASCI text these days. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Mar 17 12:30:43 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:30:43 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I worked on the 1984 version. Good show. Final worry was when the climber decided it was too much fuss to climb down and traversed on a zip wire (or something) back to the mainland. There was a worry that he might pull over The Old Man but went OK. Flying in by helicopter with all the main site and midpoint equipment on this occasion, one could still see a jagged track cut in the grass on the hillside by the trucks they pulled in with the equipment back in 1976. My version of the 1967 video has production interviews as well. Mike From: David Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 5:03 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Early BBC Radio mics and cameras The BBC Archive page has the interesting video of the 1967 broadcast covering the climb of The Old Man Of Hoy. It can be seen here: https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: M Hoy 1984 traverse.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 509184 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Wed Mar 17 14:11:14 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 19:11:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4498c173-38ad-40b5-8434-94558f25c87f@davidtaylorsound.co.uk> Mike, I'm interested to know where you get a version of the 1967 climb with production interviews? We forget how quickly our technology was advancing at that time. The first radio mic I saw was the one David Frost insisted on using in the late '60s, but by 1980 I worked with a kit of 12 Micron radio mics at Drury Lane for a programme covering Sweeney Todd. I can't remember when small back pack cameras appeared but the LDK13 was in common use by 1976 at LWT, hiding in the orchestra in the Albert Hall for instance. For many years we still used to hire radio TB, so sound assistants could use them as the scanner only had a set for the FM. So I think the 1967 coverage of Hoy was doing pretty well out there on Orkney. Dave T ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On 17 Mar 2021, 17:30, at 17:30, Mike Jordan wrote: >I worked on the 1984 version. Good show. Final worry was when the >climber decided it was too much fuss to climb down and traversed on a >zip wire (or something) back to the mainland. >There was a worry that he might pull over The Old Man but went OK. >Flying in by helicopter with all the main site and midpoint equipment >on this occasion, one could still see a jagged track cut in the grass >on the hillside by the trucks they pulled in with the equipment back in >1976. > >My version of the 1967 video has production interviews as well. > >Mike > >From: David Taylor >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 5:03 PM >To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >Subject: Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > >The BBC Archive page has the interesting video of the 1967 broadcast >covering the climb of The Old Man Of Hoy. >It can be seen here: >https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at summershome.co.uk Wed Mar 17 14:37:11 2021 From: brian at summershome.co.uk (Brian Summers) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 19:37:11 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> The Radio cameras in use at that time, 1967, were monochrome and probably this Thomson model introduced in 1962. http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/thomson/chf503/p2.html which, together with its predecessor had been in use since about 1957. The BBC had several. In the late 1960s (1978/8 in the USA) portable colour cameras were a desperate thing, the first one that BBC OBs had (that was any good at all) was the Philips/Norelco PCP90. The Marconi MkVIIIP did not appear until 1974. Brian Summers www.tvcameramuseum.org From: David Taylor [mailto:david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk] Sent: 17 March 2021 17:04 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Early BBC Radio mics and cameras The BBC Archive page has the interesting video of the 1967 broadcast covering the climb of The Old Man Of Hoy. It can be seen here: https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/ Now this item has been discussed on Tech-Ops before of course, but I do find it fascinating to contemplate the difficulties involved. In July 1967 we have: 1:"Four Radio Cameramen": Each with small portable cameras with 'back-packs'. They aren't LDK14's since they came much later, so are they Marconi VIIIP portables, or something even earlier? I love the cameraman 'leaning' back to shoot up the rock face, even if he is being held by a colleague. 2: The camera Radio TX kit. We see this big piece of kit being 'held on' alongside that cameraman. 3: Radio mic from Joe Brown. The mic would be taped to his helmet I guess, but there's the receiver and the VHF aerials to house, plus mains feed. 4: Radio ear-piece to Joe Brown. So there's the transmitter for that as well. 5: Chris Bonnington, standing in a gale - obviously being 'boomed' . The BBC R&D reported on the Senny 805 in 1966, so it could be that. I remember Senny made 'windshields', but that was before the Rycote 'sheep' outer cover (question to Chris Woolfe perhaps)? 6: Getting the signal out from The Orkneys....now that would have been fun . Microwave for vision, plus laying the PO lines across from the nearest connection block, to the site for the audio and comms. 7: The de-rigged gear from MCR27 - in a tented Control Room I guess. If there are 4 Radio cameras, plus say 2 or 3 Pye MkVI's, it's quite a rig in that tent. More camera CCU kit than MCR27 usually used. Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. 'Merit Awards' for all I reckon! So when did the first Radio Cameras arrive? And the first use by the BBC of radio mics? ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? David T www.postfade.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Wed Mar 17 15:23:32 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:23:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> References: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> Message-ID: Brian, Thanks for that info on the Thompson camera, it does look like it. Here's a screenshot from the clip: [image: 1967_07-The Old Man Of Hoy climb-Cameraman_Ian McNaught-Davis+engineer_on_a_ledge-ScnShot400 .jpg] The cameraman, leaning back, is of course well lashed on. Another climber, Ian McNaughton-Davis is on the left facing us and the other intrepid guy on the right has a radio phone, that he uses a few seconds after this. Dave T. On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 19:37, Brian Summers wrote: > The Radio cameras in use at that time, 1967, were monochrome and > probably this Thomson model introduced in 1962. > http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/thomson/chf503/p2.html which, together > with its predecessor had been in use since about 1957. The BBC had several. > > > > In the late 1960s (1978/8 in the USA) portable colour cameras were a > desperate thing, the first one that BBC OBs had (that was any good at all) > was the Philips/Norelco PCP90. The Marconi MkVIIIP did not appear until > 1974. > > > > Brian Summers > > www.tvcameramuseum.org > > > > *From:* David Taylor [mailto:david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk] > *Sent:* 17 March 2021 17:04 > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > > > > The BBC Archive page has the interesting video of the 1967 broadcast > covering the climb of The Old Man Of Hoy. > > It can be seen here: > > https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/ > > > > Now this item has been discussed on Tech-Ops before of course, but I do > find it fascinating to contemplate the difficulties involved. > > In July 1967 we have: > 1:"Four Radio Cameramen": Each with small portable cameras with > 'back-packs'. They aren't LDK14's since they came much later, so are they > Marconi VIIIP portables, or something even earlier? I love the cameraman > 'leaning' back to shoot up the rock face, even if he is being held by a > colleague. > 2: The camera Radio TX kit. We see this big piece of kit being 'held on' > alongside that cameraman. > > 3: Radio mic from Joe Brown. The mic would be taped to his helmet I guess, > but there's the receiver and the VHF aerials to house, plus mains feed. > 4: Radio ear-piece to Joe Brown. So there's the transmitter for that as > well. > > 5: Chris Bonnington, standing in a gale - obviously being 'boomed' . The > BBC R&D reported on the Senny 805 in 1966, so it could be that. I remember > Senny made 'windshields', but that was before the Rycote 'sheep' outer > cover (question to Chris Woolfe perhaps)? > > 6: Getting the signal out from The Orkneys....now that would have been fun > . Microwave for vision, plus laying the PO lines across from the nearest > connection block, to the site for the audio and comms. > > 7: The de-rigged gear from MCR27 - in a tented Control Room I guess. If > there are 4 Radio cameras, plus say 2 or 3 Pye MkVI's, it's quite a rig in > that tent. More camera CCU kit than MCR27 usually used. Three days of > transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. > > > > 'Merit Awards' for all I reckon! > > > > So when did the first Radio Cameras arrive? And the first use by the BBC > of radio mics? > > ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from > 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus > the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do > that as well around that time? > > > > David T > > www.postfade.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1967_07-The Old Man Of Hoy climb-Cameraman_Ian McNaught-Davis+engineer_on_a_ledge-ScnShot400 .jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 449273 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 17 15:45:15 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 20:45:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> References: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> Message-ID: This is a picture of the earliest type of BBC radio mic Tx I?ve been able to find. When I joined OBs in 1968, these were the standard radio transmitters and receivers :- I remember MCR21 having two of those receivers fitted although originally I gather that it had Eddystone receivers, but that was before my time. Geoffrey Blundell founded Audio Ltd and in 1963 built a transistorised transmitter and 4 channel valve receiver system. Lustraphone transistorised Rx / Tx systems were around in 1966. VEF handheld transmitters were also available in 1966 and Audio released their RSM9 hand held transmitter in 1966 too. Audio?s RMS7 Rx and Preh Pocket Tx spanned 1969 to 1976. I remember using those ones on OBs and also RSM5 Rx and pocket Tx 1970-80. Their RMS 2000 Rx, handheld Tx and pocket Tx were launched in 1988. Finally a picture of multiple generations of BBC radio stuff through the years. Top right is the type of BBC band 1 radio Tx shown earlier. It used a Toblerone shaped custom Kalium battery. The red one is it?s replacement type and used a rectangular custom battery. The two items on the left are not positively identified, but I suspect that they may be early radio talkback Tx and Rx units. I?d be grateful for any further information or recollections about any of this stuff, or information about related items which I haven?t mentioned. Alan Taylor > On 17 Mar 2021, at 19:37, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote: > ? > The Radio cameras in use at that time, 1967, were monochrome and probably this Thomson model introduced in 1962. http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/thomson/chf503/p2.html which, together with its predecessor had been in use since about 1957. The BBC had several. > > In the late 1960s (1978/8 in the USA) portable colour cameras were a desperate thing, the first one that BBC OBs had (that was any good at all) was the Philips/Norelco PCP90. The Marconi MkVIIIP did not appear until 1974. > > Brian Summers > www.tvcameramuseum.org > > From: David Taylor [mailto:david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk] > Sent: 17 March 2021 17:04 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > > The BBC Archive page has the interesting video of the 1967 broadcast covering the climb of The Old Man Of Hoy. > It can be seen here: > https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/ > > Now this item has been discussed on Tech-Ops before of course, but I do find it fascinating to contemplate the difficulties involved. > In July 1967 we have: > 1:"Four Radio Cameramen": Each with small portable cameras with 'back-packs'. They aren't LDK14's since they came much later, so are they Marconi VIIIP portables, or something even earlier? I love the cameraman 'leaning' back to shoot up the rock face, even if he is being held by a colleague. > 2: The camera Radio TX kit. We see this big piece of kit being 'held on' alongside that cameraman. > 3: Radio mic from Joe Brown. The mic would be taped to his helmet I guess, but there's the receiver and the VHF aerials to house, plus mains feed. > 4: Radio ear-piece to Joe Brown. So there's the transmitter for that as well. > 5: Chris Bonnington, standing in a gale - obviously being 'boomed' . The BBC R&D reported on the Senny 805 in 1966, so it could be that. I remember Senny made 'windshields', but that was before the Rycote 'sheep' outer cover (question to Chris Woolfe perhaps)? > 6: Getting the signal out from The Orkneys....now that would have been fun . Microwave for vision, plus laying the PO lines across from the nearest connection block, to the site for the audio and comms. > 7: The de-rigged gear from MCR27 - in a tented Control Room I guess. If there are 4 Radio cameras, plus say 2 or 3 Pye MkVI's, it's quite a rig in that tent. More camera CCU kit than MCR27 usually used. Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. > > 'Merit Awards' for all I reckon! > > So when did the first Radio Cameras arrive? And the first use by the BBC of radio mics? > ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? > > David T > www.postfade.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 205011 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The cells had transparent glass cases and there were little coloured plastic balls inside of different densities. You could judge the state of the batteries by which plastic balls were floating or had sunk. Producers were well used to the batteries failing and it wasn?t a quick job to swap for freshly charged batteries. If the batteries failed towards the end of the show, the radio camera was effectively useless for the rest of that show. Unsurprisingly, if the radio camera team fancied an early finish, the cameraman would tell the director that the batteries were rapidly failing and they would be cleared to return to the truck, start derigging early and get away nice and sharpish. Alan Taylor > On 17 Mar 2021, at 19:37, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The Radio cameras in use at that time, 1967, were monochrome and probably this Thomson model introduced in 1962. http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/thomson/chf503/p2.html which, together with its predecessor had been in use since about 1957. The BBC had several. > > In the late 1960s (1978/8 in the USA) portable colour cameras were a desperate thing, the first one that BBC OBs had (that was any good at all) was the Philips/Norelco PCP90. The Marconi MkVIIIP did not appear until 1974. > > Brian Summers > www.tvcameramuseum.org > > From: David Taylor [mailto:david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk] > Sent: 17 March 2021 17:04 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > > The BBC Archive page has the interesting video of the 1967 broadcast covering the climb of The Old Man Of Hoy. > It can be seen here: > https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/ > > Now this item has been discussed on Tech-Ops before of course, but I do find it fascinating to contemplate the difficulties involved. > In July 1967 we have: > 1:"Four Radio Cameramen": Each with small portable cameras with 'back-packs'. They aren't LDK14's since they came much later, so are they Marconi VIIIP portables, or something even earlier? I love the cameraman 'leaning' back to shoot up the rock face, even if he is being held by a colleague. > 2: The camera Radio TX kit. We see this big piece of kit being 'held on' alongside that cameraman. > 3: Radio mic from Joe Brown. The mic would be taped to his helmet I guess, but there's the receiver and the VHF aerials to house, plus mains feed. > 4: Radio ear-piece to Joe Brown. So there's the transmitter for that as well. > 5: Chris Bonnington, standing in a gale - obviously being 'boomed' . The BBC R&D reported on the Senny 805 in 1966, so it could be that. I remember Senny made 'windshields', but that was before the Rycote 'sheep' outer cover (question to Chris Woolfe perhaps)? > 6: Getting the signal out from The Orkneys....now that would have been fun . Microwave for vision, plus laying the PO lines across from the nearest connection block, to the site for the audio and comms. > 7: The de-rigged gear from MCR27 - in a tented Control Room I guess. If there are 4 Radio cameras, plus say 2 or 3 Pye MkVI's, it's quite a rig in that tent. More camera CCU kit than MCR27 usually used. 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I think it was to do with Base64 encoding. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Mar 18 04:46:00 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:46:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI Message-ID: <006645b4-1f70-73a6-b73d-67e2c2897b48@gmail.com> Hi All, Just been going through the photographs, mainly collecting together old print film pictures (scanning in from the negatives) and I came across these pictures which I hope will interest you! At this time, print film processors were offering CDs of the pictures as well as prints, so these are from those CDs. In 2003, the family went for a Summer Holiday to the Lizard Peninsular. One day we went to Gunwalloe (famous for the church on the beach).? About mid morning a number of trucks rolled into view, and equipment was unloaded.? Turns out it is ZDF filming a music programme: the singer was walking around the headlands and coves of Cornwall, and apparently was very popular.? The singer was singing "Ich Komm Wieder" (the German translation of "I'm Still Standing" and ran through it a number of times (not many retakes) with crane shots, tracking shots and static camera shots as you can see.? Two cameras:? sorry, sound people, no idea of what foldback was used! (I've tried to find the programme on Google,? but so far my searches have come up blank) Later in September, my wife Jane and I went to Italy - to Silva di Fasano (an organised trip).? ON the Sunday I went for a stroll out of the hotel, and at the local church I found that RAI were broadcasting the morning mass from the local church.? The odds against them using that church on that day are pretty huge, I guess. So two foreign OBS in about a month! ===== Mr Sod and his bl**dy Law have given me issues this week.? As I said, I want to organise my photos, so I got a large capacity Memory Stick.? I wanted to transfer photos to this memory stick - and I did a move instead of a copy.? For some reason, the flash drive decided it couldn't cope, became corrupted and would not save - but the cut part on the original drive carried on regardless. Luckily I spotted it before too much damage was done. Then, i had to retrieve the pictures which had been deleted from the source but not had been written to the flash drive. Did this before doing anything else, in case deleted files got overwritten. I used Piriform "Recuva" which did? an amazingly good job, and I retrieved most of the pictures.? There were two directories to go - but I had those images stored on CD, so I did not "recova" them. I was then able to retrieve a lot of photo? from the flash drive -? but then I had to reformat it, as it would not delete etc etc. So that was the first bit of "if it can go wrong, it will". I got the fist of the CDs to copy..CD drive ran up, then ran down. EH?? Managed to get one picture recovered before the drive powered down and sulked.? Try again, get another picture off it.... and repeat.? Slam CD into the drive do a quick grab of one picture, drive powers down. OK, a problem CD. Put the other one in,? SAME PROBLEM!! Of course, by this time, I could not recover form the original storage, as many of the deleted? files were now over written (although Windows always used to leave deleted files until they had to be overwritten, unlike UNIX which always used a sector immediately? if it had been released) .? So now, it was "if it can go wrong, it will, and if it goes wrong..." So with the problem CDs I tried Roadkill Unstoppable Recovery. Well, it tried...it really tried.? Got about 60% of the files of one CD, but then just sat there... Discs not spinning, not a lot showing on Task Manager.? 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From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 9:46 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI Hi All, Just been going through the photographs, mainly collecting together old print film pictures (scanning in from the negatives) and I came across these pictures which I hope will interest you! At this time, print film processors were offering CDs of the pictures as well as prints, so these are from those CDs. In 2003, the family went for a Summer Holiday to the Lizard Peninsular. One day we went to Gunwalloe (famous for the church on the beach). About mid morning a number of trucks rolled into view, and equipment was unloaded. Turns out it is ZDF filming a music programme: the singer was walking around the headlands and coves of Cornwall, and apparently was very popular. The singer was singing "Ich Komm Wieder" (the German translation of "I'm Still Standing" and ran through it a number of times (not many retakes) with crane shots, tracking shots and static camera shots as you can see. Two cameras: sorry, sound people, no idea of what foldback was used! (I've tried to find the programme on Google, but so far my searches have come up blank) Later in September, my wife Jane and I went to Italy - to Silva di Fasano (an organised trip). ON the Sunday I went for a stroll out of the hotel, and at the local church I found that RAI were broadcasting the morning mass from the local church. The odds against them using that church on that day are pretty huge, I guess. So two foreign OBS in about a month! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Happening across location shooting whilst on holiday can be intriguing if it?s not obvious what it?s all about.? On Sept 12th 2016 we were walking along The Lugger in Portscatho and found JW Film Location Facilities using No. 12, The Lugger as ?Harry?s B & B? as per attached photos. I?m sure you location chaps get fed up with Joe Public constantly wanting to know what?s going on so I didn?t enquire. Back home however I failed to find any info and wonder now if anyone knows anything about it? ? Dave Newbitt. ? From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 9:46 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF In 2003, the family went for a Summer Holiday to the Lizard Peninsular. One day we went to Gunwalloe (famous for the church on the beach).? About mid morning a number of trucks rolled into view, and equipment was unloaded.? Turns out it is ZDF filming a music programme: the singer was walking around the headlands and coves of Cornwall, and apparently was very popular.? The singer was singing "Ich Komm Wieder" (the German translation of "I'm Still Standing" and ran through it a number of times (not many retakes) with crane shots, tracking shots and static camera shots as you can see.? Two cameras:? sorry, sound people, no idea of what foldback was used! (I've tried to find the programme on Google,? but so far my searches have come up blank) Later in September, my wife Jane and I went to Italy - to Silva di Fasano (an organised trip).? ON the Sunday I went for a stroll out of the hotel, and at the local church I found that RAI were broadcasting the morning mass from the local church.? The odds against them using that church on that day are pretty huge, I guess.? So two foreign OBS in about a month! ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DaveT On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 21:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > At the start of my career, I was recruited into the engineering stream > rather than the operations side and briefly worked as the technical > assistant on the radio camera with cameraman John Pilblad and engineer John > Scrivens? Don?t remember much about the B&W radio camera itself, but do > recall that the portable back pack used wet electrolyte batteries, ( > possibly silver zinc cells ? ). The cells had transparent glass cases and > there were little coloured plastic balls inside of different densities. > You could judge the state of the batteries by which plastic balls were > floating or had sunk. > > Producers were well used to the batteries failing and it wasn?t a quick > job to swap for freshly charged batteries. If the batteries failed towards > the end of the show, the radio camera was effectively useless for the rest > of that show. Unsurprisingly, if the radio camera team fancied an early > finish, the cameraman would tell the director that the batteries were > rapidly failing and they would be cleared to return to the truck, start > derigging early and get away nice and sharpish. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > On 17 Mar 2021, at 19:37, Brian Summers via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > The Radio cameras in use at that time, 1967, were monochrome and > probably this Thomson model introduced in 1962. > http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/thomson/chf503/p2.html which, together > with its predecessor had been in use since about 1957. The BBC had several. > > > > In the late 1960s (1978/8 in the USA) portable colour cameras were a > desperate thing, the first one that BBC OBs had (that was any good at all) > was the Philips/Norelco PCP90. The Marconi MkVIIIP did not appear until > 1974. > > > > Brian Summers > > www.tvcameramuseum.org > > > > *From:* David Taylor [mailto:david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk] > *Sent:* 17 March 2021 17:04 > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > > > > The BBC Archive page has the interesting video of the 1967 broadcast > covering the climb of The Old Man Of Hoy. > > It can be seen here: > > https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/ > > > > Now this item has been discussed on Tech-Ops before of course, but I do > find it fascinating to contemplate the difficulties involved. > > In July 1967 we have: > 1:"Four Radio Cameramen": Each with small portable cameras with > 'back-packs'. They aren't LDK14's since they came much later, so are they > Marconi VIIIP portables, or something even earlier? I love the cameraman > 'leaning' back to shoot up the rock face, even if he is being held by a > colleague. > 2: The camera Radio TX kit. We see this big piece of kit being 'held on' > alongside that cameraman. > > 3: Radio mic from Joe Brown. The mic would be taped to his helmet I guess, > but there's the receiver and the VHF aerials to house, plus mains feed. > 4: Radio ear-piece to Joe Brown. So there's the transmitter for that as > well. > > 5: Chris Bonnington, standing in a gale - obviously being 'boomed' . The > BBC R&D reported on the Senny 805 in 1966, so it could be that. I remember > Senny made 'windshields', but that was before the Rycote 'sheep' outer > cover (question to Chris Woolfe perhaps)? > > 6: Getting the signal out from The Orkneys....now that would have been fun > . Microwave for vision, plus laying the PO lines across from the nearest > connection block, to the site for the audio and comms. > > 7: The de-rigged gear from MCR27 - in a tented Control Room I guess. If > there are 4 Radio cameras, plus say 2 or 3 Pye MkVI's, it's quite a rig in > that tent. More camera CCU kit than MCR27 usually used. Three days of > transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. > > > > 'Merit Awards' for all I reckon! > > > > So when did the first Radio Cameras arrive? And the first use by the BBC > of radio mics? > > ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from > 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus > the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do > that as well around that time? > > > > David T > > www.postfade.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Mar 18 09:13:27 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:13:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E48A9E73F0F460B8125541D8DDCEF82@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Well you?re bang on the money with that one Vernon ? with your clue as to a possible I had instant Google success! My photos were of a shoot for the series of the Rosamunde Pilcher being done for ZDF. There is a photograph almost identical to mine on AgeFotostock :- So thanks Vernon ? mystery over! Dave Newbitt. From: vernon.dyer via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:58 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI We had a weekend away in Hayle, across the bay from St Ives, a few years ago (about 5 BC!) and were walking along the beach when a "film" crew rocked up. Turns out they were German, and were shooting (sorry, I refuse to say filming) an adaptation of a Rosamunde Pilcher book. Apparently these, set in Cornwall, are phenomenally popular in Germany. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Happening across location shooting whilst on holiday can be intriguing if it?s not obvious what it?s all about. On Sept 12th 2016 we were walking along The Lugger in Portscatho and found JW Film Location Facilities using No. 12, The Lugger as ?Harry?s B & B? as per attached photos. I?m sure you location chaps get fed up with Joe Public constantly wanting to know what?s going on so I didn?t enquire. Back home however I failed to find any info and wonder now if anyone knows anything about it? Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Harry's%20B%20&%20B[3].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 198017 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 18 09:24:49 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:24:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75352096-1413-4C9D-8BE2-527DD27B3328@me.com> Filming outside always attracts attention from the public, even more so with OBs rather than single camera shoots because it?s a bigger circus, there are a lot more cables laid along the streets and we tend to be there for longer. I?ve done loads of OBs where friends and family have turned up unexpectedly. A friend sent me a picture of me working on a Royal Wedding. Setting up for premieres in Leicester Square invariably involves friends walking past and spotting us. You sort of expect people you know to turn up when you?re working in Central London, but it still happens in quite remote places. I did a Countryfile programme where we on a beautiful wooden launch taking us along the Thames from Marlow to Wallingford. We had essentially finished shooting our story by the time we had a fabulous lunch in Henley and therefore decided that the rest of the afternoon could be an Pimms-fuelled jaunt along the river until we were met at Wallingford. Roger Prior ( Porridge ) just happened to be walking along the towpath and witnessed the depravity. Filming a block of of ?Murder Most Horrid?, we were shooting exteriors at the house which was our principal location and a nosy neighbour came to see what was going on. I was delighted to see that it was Jem Whippey. It also works the other way around. I once had an assignation with a lady friend who I hadn?t seen for a long time and we decided to meet for a meal at a quiet pub in rural Bedfordshire. Well when I say a quiet pub, it usually was a quiet pub, except for that particular evening when the entire OB crew from a Songs of Praise were in there after having rigged the OB in the nearby church. To make things worse, our table was en-route to the gent?s loo, so everybody walked past at least once and stopped for a chat. In the same vein, I was phoned up to do a single camera shoot from Germany. I didn?t know the director, had only a vague recollection of the cameraman, but was sent my ticket and told to meet at the appropriate Heathrow check-in desk. After all, how difficult can it be to spot somebody checking in with dozens of silver flight cases? When I got there, I couldn?t see any sign of flight cases and hung about scrutinising my fellow travellers to see if any of them looked as though they might be cameramen or directors. It took me a while to realise that one couple were always concealing themselves from me, shifting to hide behind people whenever I turned to look in their direction. I knew they weren?t the people I was looking for because at least one of them was the wrong gender, so didn?t think too much of it. I eventually got a call on my mobile from the cameraman, who said he had checked in ages ago and was in a bar air-side with the director, where was I? I checked in, joined them in the departure terminal bar and when we went into the departure lounge for the flight, the shy couple had nowhere to hide. It was one of my BBC OB sound dept colleagues ( no need to name names ), travelling to Germany for a dirty weekend with a production assistant who I also recognised. Alan Taylor > On 18 Mar 2021, at 12:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Happening across location shooting whilst on holiday can be intriguing if it?s not obvious what it?s all about. On Sept 12th 2016 we were walking along The Lugger in Portscatho and found JW Film Location Facilities using No. 12, The Lugger as ?Harry?s B & B? as per attached photos. I?m sure you location chaps get fed up with Joe Public constantly wanting to know what?s going on so I didn?t enquire. Back home however I failed to find any info and wonder now if anyone knows anything about it? > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Alec Bray via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 9:46 AM > To: Tech Ops > Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI > > Hi All, > > Just been going through the photographs, mainly collecting together old print film pictures (scanning in from the negatives) and I came across these pictures which I hope will interest you! > > At this time, print film processors were offering CDs of the pictures as well as prints, so these are from those CDs. > > In 2003, the family went for a Summer Holiday to the Lizard Peninsular. One day we went to Gunwalloe (famous for the church on the beach). About mid morning a number of trucks rolled into view, and equipment was unloaded. Turns out it is ZDF filming a music programme: the singer was walking around the headlands and coves of Cornwall, and apparently was very popular. The singer was singing "Ich Komm Wieder" (the German translation of "I'm Still Standing" and ran through it a number of times (not many retakes) with crane shots, tracking shots and static camera shots as you can see. Two cameras: sorry, sound people, no idea of what foldback was used! > > (I've tried to find the programme on Google, but so far my searches have come up blank) > > Later in September, my wife Jane and I went to Italy - to Silva di Fasano (an organised trip). ON the Sunday I went for a stroll out of the hotel, and at the local church I found that RAI were broadcasting the morning mass from the local church. The odds against them using that church on that day are pretty huge, I guess. > > So two foreign OBS in about a month! > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Mar 18 09:35:34 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI In-Reply-To: <75352096-1413-4C9D-8BE2-527DD27B3328@me.com> References: <75352096-1413-4C9D-8BE2-527DD27B3328@me.com> Message-ID: <590f2cf316davesound@btinternet.com> When I moved to this house in the 70s, St James's hospital A&E entrance was near opposite. Used by many broadcasters on occasion as an exterior location. IIRC, Angels was one. Now a housing estate. Remember having a Thames location manager knocking on the door to say there would be lights shining into my house. Don't know who was more surprised when we recognised one another. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 18 09:45:20 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:45:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was interesting to read Vernon?s account of the German film crew shooting in Cornwall. My wife likes to watch German films online and earlier this week was watching a couple of Rosamunde Pilcher movies shot in Cornwall. There are quite a few of them available on the ZDF site I initially assumed that they were shot in English and then dubbed into German because Germans don?t like sub-titled programmes ( my theory is that they can?t fit enough of those long words across the screen at once ) and they dub movies into German extremely well. However I was wrong about these ones as the lip sync is perfect and the crew credits were very Germanic. It does seem slightly strange for a German character to get in a cab in Cornwall and for the driver to speak perfect German with a Swabian accent. One curiosity with that series of films is that they seem to use a small rep company of actors for minor roles. My wife keeps spotting the same actors playing quite different supporting roles in other episodes. Alan Taylor > On 18 Mar 2021, at 12:59, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > We had a weekend away in Hayle, across the bay from St Ives, a few years ago (about 5 BC!) and were walking along the beach when a "film" crew rocked up. Turns out they were German, and were shooting (sorry, I refuse to say filming) an adaptation of a Rosamunde Pilcher book. Apparently these, set in Cornwall, are phenomenally popular in Germany. > From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Mar 18 11:54:08 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 16:54:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Admin In-Reply-To: <64d66031-22b6-a5da-46cf-9258489ef7b6@gmail.com> References: <64d66031-22b6-a5da-46cf-9258489ef7b6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <590f39a2fcdavesound@btinternet.com> Mailman isn't by any chance set to 'Digest Mode'? In article <64d66031-22b6-a5da-46cf-9258489ef7b6 at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > This morning I changed a setting in Mailman to see what would happen. I > changed "Munge From" to "Wrap Message".. Some odd things have happened > so I've switched it back. Some background info is here - > https://www.spamresource.com/2016/09/dmarc-support-in-mailman.html > And for anyone who is not seeing their own messages - I can't fix that. > B -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Thu Mar 18 13:57:36 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 18:57:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 2003 Ouside Broadcasts ZDF and RAI Message-ID: The one time I?ve been on a shoot where I didn?t want to be seen, was on a documentary about Capital Radio. It was in the early days of Capital, and because it was going to be shown in cinemas, it was shot on 35mm with all the ballyhoo that that entails. On day one of the shoot we were up in the Flying Eye, buzzing around London doing live traffic reports. Cumbersome overkill to say the least, but somehow we squeezed in the bare essentials, and it went OK. Scary, but OK. The second day wasn?t quite so rosy. The audio requirement was for stereo, so I had managed to borrow a stereo Nagra from Antony, a friend of mine who worked for Oxford University Press. He was desperately proud of his Nagra, which normally only ever got used for recording classical music demo LP?s to accompany OUP?s sheet music publications. I had done a good few sessions on those LP?s myself, and knew how meticulously fussy he was about how his gear had to be looked after. So, as I said, day two. The call was at dawn somewhere in Tottenham Court Road, and it suddenly became apparent that we were going to be filming down in the London sewers! The idea was to show that for 24 hours a day, seven days a week, working people used Capital Radio for company no matter where they worked. We all had to get togged up in protective clothing, principally, we were told, to protect us from Weil?s Disease caused by rat infestation, etc. Not much in the way of H&SE in those days! We clambered through a manhole and down a ladder, and walked and filmed underground workings for what seemed like hours. Some of the architecture down there is actually very cavernous and impressive, Victorian architecture and engineering at its best. (if you ever get offered a chance to see it for yourself, don?t miss the opportunity). The smell was pretty dire though of course, wading alonging in shit and fat, etc., but you soon get used to that. Eventually, we had what we needed, and were led to a point where we would emerge back into the street, and a mobile shower van would be waiting for us with our clean clothes ready to change back into. So, there was our escape route, and as I emerged into the daylight, I saw to my horror that we were coming up in Dover Street, bang outside the entrance to OUP! Unbelievably (but it?s true), right there in front of me, striding in to work, was Antony!!! He saw me and his precious Nagra, and his face turned peuce-purple! In fact, the Nagra had been well protected, but I had some quick explaining to do! I know for sure he never forgave me. It did trigger me into getting a stereo Nagra of my own though, but that?s another story. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Mar 18 16:36:48 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 21:36:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Message-ID: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> Found this on Youtube, but I don't recall Riverside being colourised, and that has to be a Marconi at 30 secs in. If Riverside, must be R2, as there doesn't appear to be much more room than Pres B. Definitely not Pres, as I did enough OGWTs there to know the studio instantly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MjtX8ast4 Any ideas, who, what, where? TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Mar 18 16:59:03 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 21:59:03 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> It?ll be from the first OGWT show on 21-09-71. America were a pre-recorded VT insert though where and when the clip was done I don?t know. Could it have been at Riverside with a colour OB van outside? Programmes had ceased being made there more than 18 months earlier, because of the lack of colour. But just being used as a four wall location? From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 9:36 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Found this on Youtube, but I don't recall Riverside being colourised, and that has to be a Marconi at 30 secs in. If Riverside, must be R2, as there doesn't appear to be much more room than Pres B. Definitely not Pres, as I did enough OGWTs there to know the studio instantly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MjtX8ast4 Any ideas, who, what, where? TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Definitely not Pres, as I did enough OGWTs there to know the studio instantly. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MjtX8ast4 > > Any ideas, who, what, where? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 04:09:25 2021 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:09:25 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? Bill J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Mar 19 04:18:58 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:18:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08BD46BD-B07A-466C-83FC-AE2400CC2466@icloud.com> Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility. ? Graeme Wall > On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > > The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. > If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? > Bill J > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Fri Mar 19 04:19:52 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:19:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AD52259-01BD-4CB1-B08D-B8871ECDF0AE@icloud.com> Good spot Bill! Sometimes we can?t see the wood from the trees (and also Tony posted on St. Patricks day so ??!!!!!!) Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > > The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. > If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? > Bill J > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: anvc-logo-mail-small.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14651 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 05:06:18 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:06:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <08BD46BD-B07A-466C-83FC-AE2400CC2466@icloud.com> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> <08BD46BD-B07A-466C-83FC-AE2400CC2466@icloud.com> Message-ID: Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a late addition. And this is the layout of Pres B B On 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. >> If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? >> Bill J >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dfkmclhbgcnbmihb.png Type: image/png Size: 372306 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a late addition. > > > > And this is the layout of Pres B > > > > > B > > > > > > On 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. >>> If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? >>> Bill J >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 19 06:18:17 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:18:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <88c77cce-2fca-0c08-c8ec-14d16e487cdf@btinternet.com> I seem to remember OBs doing an OGWT at Shepperton in one of their smaller studios, we had done a couple of big co-productions in a big studio before that. Cheers, Dave On 18/03/2021 21:36, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > Found this on Youtube, but I don't recall Riverside being colourised, > and that has to be a Marconi at 30 secs in. If Riverside, must be R2, > as there doesn't appear to be much more room than Pres B. Definitely > not Pres, as I did enough OGWTs there to know the studio instantly. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9MjtX8ast4 > > > Any ideas, who, what, where? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Fri Mar 19 07:09:16 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:09:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <16B9B623-63E4-447A-A243-C0375D921F06@icloud.com> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> <08BD46BD-B07A-466C-83FC-AE2400CC2466@icloud.com> <16B9B623-63E4-447A-A243-C0375D921F06@icloud.com> Message-ID: If you watch the Jimmy Hendrix video that?s on the same page as America you?ll see that the backgrounds match. Jimmy Hendrix was definitely in Pres B. Barry. On 19 Mar 2021, at 11:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Has to be B then I would have thought. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a late addition. >> >> >> >> And this is the layout of Pres B >> >> >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> >> On 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. >>>> If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? >>>> Bill J >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 07:16:07 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:16:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> <08BD46BD-B07A-466C-83FC-AE2400CC2466@icloud.com> <16B9B623-63E4-447A-A243-C0375D921F06@icloud.com> Message-ID: <4148b2e9-3053-8deb-7b0f-ca6747bb6b6c@gmail.com> Can you supply the link please Barry, as all pages on YouTube are different.? If it's the Lulu show that was in TC4 B On 19/03/2021 12:09, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > If you watch the Jimmy Hendrix video that?s on the same page as > America you?ll see that the backgrounds match. Jimmy Hendrix was > definitely in Pres B. > Barry. > > > > On 19 Mar 2021, at 11:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Has to be B then I would have thought. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a >>> late addition. >>> >>> >>> >>> And this is the layout of Pres B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the >>>> ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. >>>> So Manchester is a possibility. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the >>>>> track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed >>>>> by the band America. >>>>> If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a >>>>> regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi >>>>> mk vii? >>>>> Bill J >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Fri Mar 19 07:51:36 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:51:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> <08BD46BD-B07A-466C-83FC-AE2400CC2466@icloud.com> <16B9B623-63E4-447A-A243-C0375D921F06@icloud.com> Message-ID: Oops! I meant Bob Marley not Jimi! Barry. On 19 Mar 2021, at 12:09, Barry Bonner wrote: > If you watch the Jimmy Hendrix video that?s on the same page as America you?ll see that the backgrounds match. Jimmy Hendrix was definitely in Pres B. > Barry. > > > > On 19 Mar 2021, at 11:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > >> Has to be B then I would have thought. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a late addition. >>> >>> >>> >>> And this is the layout of Pres B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. >>>>> If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? >>>>> Bill J >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Fri Mar 19 07:55:33 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:55:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <4148b2e9-3053-8deb-7b0f-ca6747bb6b6c@gmail.com> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com> <260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14> <004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com> <08BD46BD-B07A-466C-83FC-AE2400CC2466@icloud.com> <16B9B623-63E4-447A-A243-C0375D921F06@icloud.com> <4148b2e9-3053-8deb-7b0f-ca6747bb6b6c@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry Bernie et al, I meant Bob Marley not Jimi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXldLCBqjE Barry. On 19 Mar 2021, at 12:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Can you supply the link please Barry, as all pages on YouTube are different. If it's the Lulu show that was in TC4 > > B > > > > On 19/03/2021 12:09, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >> If you watch the Jimmy Hendrix video that?s on the same page as America you?ll see that the backgrounds match. Jimmy Hendrix was definitely in Pres B. >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 11:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> Has to be B then I would have thought. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a late addition. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And this is the layout of Pres B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility. >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. >>>>>> If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? >>>>>> Bill J >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 08:29:17 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:29:17 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <4148b2e9-3053-8deb-7b0f-ca6747bb6b6c@gmail.com> References: <1tLDlGes-1rl8DXjHo_2KT1vOpx8r5xYiRQH6FtjpnxjFTqvBONgfFovOknKNHYfcm06A26-AY9hnIzcCvwZ1qne07DfWKeAV7Ow0n2vWJA=@protonmail.com><260FD31DD6294646AF92E29128A97D19@0023242e4e14><004501d71c9f$8fe07a30$afa16e90$@gmail.com><08BD46BD-B07A-466C-83FC-AE2400CC2466@icloud.com><16B9B623-63E4-447A-A243-C0375D921F06@icloud.com> <4148b2e9-3053-8deb-7b0f-ca6747bb6b6c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94F1760775E5446691E309600F585C0D@0023242e4e14> There?s a clip of the surviving Late Night Line Up of Hendrix from 1967. That would be Pres B, though you?d never tell from the stage set up in the clip (what you can see of it). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjryvfgKD0Q Hendrix died almost exactly a year before Whistle Test started. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 12:16 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Can you supply the link please Barry, as all pages on YouTube are different. If it's the Lulu show that was in TC4 B On 19/03/2021 12:09, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: If you watch the Jimmy Hendrix video that?s on the same page as America you?ll see that the backgrounds match. Jimmy Hendrix was definitely in Pres B. Barry. On 19 Mar 2021, at 11:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Has to be B then I would have thought. ? Graeme Wall On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a late addition. And this is the layout of Pres B B On 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility. ? Graeme Wall On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? Bill J -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Mar 19 08:31:36 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:31:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: References: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> Message-ID: <6054a7b8.1c69fb81.377df.4b19@mx.google.com> >From Pat H Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras Re The Hoy climb of 1967.? Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain.? ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. Regards Pat H ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Mar 19 09:10:40 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:10:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <6054a7b8.1c69fb81.377df.4b19@mx.google.com> References: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> <6054a7b8.1c69fb81.377df.4b19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <142004e9-44a1-af53-edea-18e351539902@chriswoolf.co.uk> Radio mics go back a long way. While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. Chris Woolf On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > From Pat H > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > > Re The Hoy climb of 1967. > > Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. > > I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot > of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas > awning in heavy rain. > > ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium > Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a > whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went > with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around > that time? > > My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & > Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the > B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. > Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a > transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of > the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, > with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not > only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage? of the > charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as > possible. > > Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t > switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained > the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me > to put my hand up and flick the switch. > > Fairly recently, I saw ?42^nd Street? several times also in > the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 > (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be > Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics > used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, > under the fishnet tights. > > Regards > > Pat H > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Mar 19 12:09:26 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:09:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Message-ID: <0dodsiot9yv4aj43ro9979dp.1616173642651@email.android.com> Rumour has it that they used 3,000 watt a amplification, which would explain the vocals being a little lost. Doug On 19 March 2021, at 13:29, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: There?s a clip of the surviving Late Night Line Up of Hendrix from 1967.? That would be Pres B, though you?d never tell from the stage set up in the clip (what you can see of it). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjryvfgKD0Q Hendrix died almost exactly a year before Whistle Test started. ? From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 12:16 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? ? Can you supply the link please Barry, as all pages on YouTube are different.? If it's the Lulu show that was in TC4 B ? On 19/03/2021 12:09, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: If you watch the Jimmy Hendrix video that?s on the same page as America you?ll see that the backgrounds match. Jimmy Hendrix was definitely in Pres B. Barry. ? On 19 Mar 2021, at 11:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Has to be B then I would have thought. ? Graeme Wall On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a late addition. And this is the layout of Pres B B On 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility. ? Graeme Wall On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii? Bill J -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the_slad at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 19 12:52:54 2021 From: the_slad at yahoo.co.uk (the_slad) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:52:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <0dodsiot9yv4aj43ro9979dp.1616173642651@email.android.com> Message-ID: Definitely Pres B in my opinion, with the small emergency exit that we used to wedge open so a camera could squeeze back into it for a wider shot visible in the background of the first or second shot. The cameras were a Marconi, an EMI2001 and a Philips /Peto Scot PC60. Late Night Line Up had been doing occasional groups like this for at least 5 years before turning it into OGWT.?Sent from my Galaxy far far away.? Rumour has it that they used 3,000 watt a amplification, which would explain the vocals being a little lost. Doug On 19 March 2021, at 13:29, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: -------- Original message --------From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 Date: 19/03/2021 17:31 (GMT+00:00) To: "tech1 at tech-ops co. uk" Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? There?s a clip of the surviving Late Night Line Up of Hendrix from 1967.? That would be Pres B, though you?d never tell from the stage set up in the clip (what you can see of it).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjryvfgKD0QHendrix died almost exactly a year before Whistle Test started. ? From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 12:16 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? ? Can you supply the link please Barry, as all pages on YouTube are different.? If it's the Lulu show that was in TC4B? On 19/03/2021 12:09, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: If you watch the Jimmy Hendrix video that?s on the same page as America you?ll see that the backgrounds match. Jimmy Hendrix was definitely in Pres B. Barry. ? On 19 Mar 2021, at 11:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Has to be B then I would have thought.? Graeme Wall On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:Very much a Marconi, and it has that fan box on the top, which was a late addition.And this is the layout of Pres BBOn 19/03/2021 09:18, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Having looked at it carefully, I think it may be a Peto Scott, the ped has a small steering ring, the Mk VIIs had to have a big ring. So Manchester is a possibility.? Graeme Wall On 19 Mar 2021, at 09:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote:The ?Riverside? referred to on the VT Clock is the name of the track, nothing to do with the studios, it is Riverside performed by the band America. If, as Tony is convinced, it?s not pres B could it perhaps be a regional studio, Manchester perhaps? Is that definitely a Marconi mk vii?Bill J-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Mar 19 16:07:19 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:07:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Message-ID: Pres B started with 3 Peto Scott PC60s when it was in colour, and then changed to 3 Marconi Mk VII, no 2001s. Here's one OGWT I did in Pres B, with the Marconi's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XktInhZH4v0 I'm on the camera left side of the group, and that's my 'signature' shot shot from 00.49 to 01.00, crane up saxophone (still looks good, though I say so myself). Now the studio walls behind the group I recognise as I spent quite a bit of time here, and the America studio b/gd doesn't seem to fit. Also, why 'T' OGWT on there clock? Plus the camerawork seems over-indulgent, even for us youngsters, not quite the polished performance I'd expect from studio cameramen. And, even after all this time, there must be someone (or two) on this list who'd say, 'yes I remember doing that.' OK, shoot me down again! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 16:52:02 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:52:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <6054e512.1c69fb81.12b4a.5639SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <6054e512.1c69fb81.12b4a.5639SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <73601816-d58c-61b1-32b2-50b1b0e64dd0@gmail.com> In the background there are some yellow cables which appear in both pieces - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mdbcpjodbodlbgep.png Type: image/png Size: 135915 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 17:49:54 2021 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:49:54 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? References: <6054e512.1c69fb81.12b4a.5639SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <73601816-d58c-61b1-32b2-50b1b0e64dd0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DF60F935227402EA1BF5891D530E458@dell9100> pres B? as I remeber there should be a wall box for mics/tielines about 6 ft upstage right from emergency exit als dont remember what looks the large venterlation access panel near the floor and most definatly whee has the slung monitor upstage left above cyc rail gone chris From jccglass at gmail.com Fri Mar 19 18:08:41 2021 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 23:08:41 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? References: <6054e512.1c69fb81.12b4a.5639SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <73601816-d58c-61b1-32b2-50b1b0e64dd0@gmail.com> Message-ID: pres B it is ok ive now decided the wall boxes are all in the right place for Pres B as is the slung foldback chris From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Sat Mar 20 07:12:32 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:12:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <142004e9-44a1-af53-edea-18e351539902@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> <6054a7b8.1c69fb81.377df.4b19@mx.google.com> <142004e9-44a1-af53-edea-18e351539902@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: Alan, Pat and Chris, Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: *"The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country."* In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: *"The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control."* Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum:* "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; **compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven **and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 **initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was **alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a **revolving set! **It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" *. Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. David T On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > Radio mics go back a long way. > > While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to > buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. > > Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics > in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF > bands. > > I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which > had poor range and needed receiver help. > > Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic > systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. > > Chris Woolf > > > On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > From Pat H > > > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > > > > Re The Hoy climb of 1967. > > Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. > > I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very > unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. > > > ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from > 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus > the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do > that as well around that time? > > My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western > Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same > singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and > required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside > thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip > flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only > were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. > So they were switched off for as long as possible. > > Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it > back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She > obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the > switch. > > Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of > Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that > stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed > version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, > under the fishnet tights. > > > > Regards > > Pat H > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#m_5337501401267359665_m_-6355031491083686274_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Mar 20 07:19:55 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:19:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: References: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> <6054a7b8.1c69fb81.377df.4b19@mx.google.com> <142004e9-44a1-af53-edea-18e351539902@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <80be91a4-124f-3e86-54db-88701a9e9986@chriswoolf.co.uk> Hullo David T, Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. Chris On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: > Alan, Pat and Chris, > > Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. > The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described > in the BBC 4 documentary? as being 'on the limits'.....well I can > certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with? good Yagi > aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of > those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the > broadcasts. > That documentary really shows the problems well. ( > https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ?) > > Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The > Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier > edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May > 1962: /"The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val > Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by > A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our > knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of > work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests > show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such > parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to > this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at > 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country."/ > > In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that:///"The > transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special > receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. > ocal oscillator control."/ > > Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum:/"ATV had > developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film > community; //compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were > the size of a microwave oven //and complete with a huge VHF ground > plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic > introduced in 1965 //initially used for theatre work and it's first > outing for film work and was //alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 > to overcome mike cables breaking on a //revolving set! //It was an > excellent R/F design with no compansion" /. > Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio > mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd > and the Microns'. > / > / > Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the > PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. > However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed > circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have > been just a development photo I guess. > Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later > became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. > > David T > > > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Radio mics go back a long way. > > While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV > liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. > > Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling > radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but > uncompanded, in the VHF bands. > > I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure > ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. > > Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market > radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty > early. > > Chris Woolf > > > On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> From Pat H >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >> >> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >> >> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >> >> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a >> shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering >> under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >> >> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The >> Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor >> transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big >> Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able >> to do that as well around that time? >> >> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The >> Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer >> replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but >> they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and >> required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped >> to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in >> the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the >> triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only >> were the contacts unreliable, but the storage? of the >> charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long >> as possible. >> >> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I >> hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, >> explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her >> skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >> >> Fairly recently, I saw ?42^nd Street? several times also >> in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there >> were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. >> Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed >> version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked >> down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >> >> Regards >> >> Pat H >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#m_5337501401267359665_m_-6355031491083686274_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Mar 20 07:29:27 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:29:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: References: <022101d71b64$ed2b81d0$c7828570$@summershome.co.uk> Message-ID: <591029126fdavesound@btinternet.com> In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Top right is the type of BBC band 1 radio Tx shown earlier. It used a > Toblerone shaped custom Kalium battery. The red one is it?s replacement > type and used a rectangular custom battery. The two items on the left > are not positively identified, but I suspect that they may be early > radio talkback Tx and Rx units. I often wondered about the use of those Kalium batteries. New ones from stores were often faulty. Only thing I can think of is the designer was worried about PP3s being nicked. As I'd guess a few of those taking up the same space would have worked just fine. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 20 08:10:34 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:10:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <80be91a4-124f-3e86-54db-88701a9e9986@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <80be91a4-124f-3e86-54db-88701a9e9986@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <69921DE2-5E14-454B-B879-B7D9F025C8BF@me.com> One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. Alan Taylor > On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hullo David T, > > Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! > > I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. > > Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. > > Chris > > > > On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >> Alan, Pat and Chris, >> >> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. >> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >> >> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." >> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . >> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >> >> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. >> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >> >> David T >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>> >>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>> >>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>> >>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>> >>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> From Pat H >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>> >>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>> >>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>> >>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? >>>> >>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. >>>> >>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >>>> >>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Pat H >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Plus of course, Also included are two Dr Woolf fluffy windhields. Cost? Ridiculously low at ?134.08 inc VAT on Amazon Prime. I haven?t tried it in earnest yet, but I?m very optimistic. It sounds amazing here on test. [cid:D0D01FC2-4F8D-4728-9A8C-42E123338B3F-L0-001] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Mar 2021, at 13:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Endlessly positioning and re-positioning the receivers at locations around the studio perimeter hoping for reliable signal often led to improvement which half an hour later proved to be temporary. As Pat observes, the batteries in the transmitters were poor and the contacts troublesome. I (and some others) used to insert a sixpenny bit in-between battery and contact at one end, a practice disapproved of once they on the 4th floor heard about it. BBC Research Dept published in 1973 (R.D.C.Thoday) the results of practical performance tests carried out in various TC Studios under the title ?Radio Microphones: Propagation Characteristics in Television Studios?. downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1973-03.pdf Clearly the unpredictability of the system in a studio setting was seen as a pretty knotty problem. As to kitting out artists with the transmitters, it wasn?t all lovely ladies Pat ? I remember for one dealing with Kenneth Williams who would be so wound up before appearing that he would snap irritably at the need for any adjustment. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 1:10 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. Alan Taylor On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: ? Hullo David T, Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. Chris On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: Alan, Pat and Chris, Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. David T On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: Radio mics go back a long way. While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. Chris Woolf On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: From Pat H Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras Re The Hoy climb of 1967. Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. 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URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Mar 20 11:40:23 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:40:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <3DB1F4DCE2EB4D7EAC49827D1114950D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <80be91a4-124f-3e86-54db-88701a9e9986@chriswoolf.co.uk> <69921DE2-5E14-454B-B879-B7D9F025C8BF@me.com> <3DB1F4DCE2EB4D7EAC49827D1114950D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: On 20/03/2021 16:23, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Nothing technical but I often, at an operational level, Ah, but technical and operational should never be kept apart;} The "reliable" signal? problem was what made designers consider the concept of diversity receivers, which really made radio mics sufficiently "solid" that the cabled version became almost unnecessary. I don't have a date for the introduction of a diversity RX though I remember using a diversity VHF one in the 1980s. The UHF versions were so much easier! Chris Woolf > had experience of trying to nurse them through productions in various > TC studios. If two or more were in use, S.S?s often had a sound crew > (or pool) member assigned to the unenviable task. Endlessly > positioning and re-positioning the receivers at locations around the > studio perimeter hoping for reliable signal often led to improvement > which half an hour later proved to be temporary. As Pat observes, the > batteries in the transmitters were poor and the contacts troublesome. > I (and some others) used to insert a sixpenny bit in-between battery > and contact at one end, a practice disapproved of once they on the 4th > floor heard about it. > BBC Research Dept published in 1973 (R.D.C.Thoday) the results of > practical performance tests carried out in various TC Studios under > the title ?Radio Microphones: Propagation Characteristics in > Television Studios?. downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1973-03.pdf > Clearly the unpredictability of the system in a studio setting was > seen as a pretty knotty problem. > As to kitting out artists with the transmitters, it wasn?t all lovely > ladies Pat ? I remember for one dealing with Kenneth Williams who > would be so wound up before appearing that he would snap irritably at > the need for any adjustment. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, March 20, 2021 1:10 PM > *To:* tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC > designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955.? I hope to take > proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. > There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have > located much of the planning information for that show. > I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of > scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes > against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near > future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we > all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when > alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my > heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it > so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year > show from Wembley.? It was sometime later when I discovered that it > wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. > When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but > declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson > for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I > wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long > recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the > climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. > Alan Taylor > > >> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hullo David T, >> >> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >> >> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are >> correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was >> certainly an early one. >> >> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do >> with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally >> controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we >> could complete things. >> >> Chris >> >> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>> >>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is >>> described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well >>> I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with? good >>> Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or >>> most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for >>> the broadcasts. >>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( >>> https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The >>> Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier >>> edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May >>> 1962: /"The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val >>> Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by >>> A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of >>> our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this >>> kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but >>> our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in >>> such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. >>> Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German >>> microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this >>> country."/ >>> >>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that:///"The >>> transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special >>> receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and >>> a.f.c. ocal oscillator control."/ >>> >>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum:/"ATV had >>> developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film >>> community; //compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers >>> were the size of a microwave oven //and complete with a huge VHF >>> ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell? at Audio Ltd developed a VHF >>> radio mic introduced in 1965 //initially used for theatre work and >>> it's first outing for film work and was //alleged to be used for >>> Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a //revolving >>> set! //It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" /. >>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my >>> radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better >>> Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >>> / >>> / >>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by >>> the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 >>> yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a >>> printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that >>> might have been just a development photo I guess. >>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later >>> became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>> >>> David T >>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>> >>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV >>> liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>> >>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling >>> radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but >>> uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>> >>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure >>> ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>> >>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market >>> radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from >>> pretty early. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> From Pat H >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>> >>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>> >>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>> >>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing >>>> a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering >>>> under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>> >>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The >>>> Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor >>>> transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big >>>> Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were >>>> able to do that as well around that time? >>>> >>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The >>>> Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer >>>> replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but >>>> they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and >>>> required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was >>>> strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top >>>> right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, >>>> with the triangular profile battery, which was >>>> hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but >>>> the storage? of the charge was pitiful. So they were >>>> switched off for as long as possible. >>>> >>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I >>>> hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she >>>> was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up >>>> her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the >>>> switch. >>>> >>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42^nd Street? several times >>>> also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that >>>> there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage >>>> show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in >>>> the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the >>>> taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Pat H >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Avast logo >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>> software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably the 2 ch version with Rode lavaliers Roger From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 20 13:34:10 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:34:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FC163A9-99C0-4E25-ABD1-D1DF84899EEE@me.com> In the UK, I can?t remember whether it was Micron or Audio who first released a diversity receiver. I know Audio released their RMS2000 system in 1988 and it seemed like every manufacturer was producing diversity systems by the end of the 1990s. I have been told about BBC designs dept making diversity receivers for the BBC radio mic systems on VHF band I, but as far as I?m aware, that was done around or after the time I left the BBC in 1989. As Chris said, diversity reception was a huge step forward in radio mics. Prior to that they were tricky to use reliably, but diversity reception made radio mics almost plug and play. However i have to concede that good UHF single-ended radio mics have become pretty reliable in recent years. Expanding on what Chris said about technical and operational expertise needing to work closely together. I felt that the biggest frustration with BBC designs dept was that they didn?t properly listen to operators. There was no excuse, they could visit studios, OBs and unit bases whenever they wanted and often did, but weren?t usually very receptive to feedback. By contrast most commercial companies were not only prepared to listen, but encouraged feedback and acted upon it. The original SQN 3 mixer was intended for quite a different purpose to the role it?s successors became ubiquitous for. I?ve often felt that Glensound was successful because they listened to users, the same goes for Nagra. The same thing is doubtless true for many other companies making cameras and accessories too. Alan Taylor Alan Taylor > On 20 Mar 2021, at 16:41, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > On 20/03/2021 16:23, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> Nothing technical but I often, at an operational level, > Ah, but technical and operational should never be kept apart;} > > The "reliable" signal problem was what made designers consider the concept of diversity receivers, which really made radio mics sufficiently "solid" that the cabled version became almost unnecessary. I don't have a date for the introduction of a diversity RX though I remember using a diversity VHF one in the 1980s. The UHF versions were so much easier! > > Chris Woolf > > > > > > > >> had experience of trying to nurse them through productions in various TC studios. If two or more were in use, S.S?s often had a sound crew (or pool) member assigned to the unenviable task. Endlessly positioning and re-positioning the receivers at locations around the studio perimeter hoping for reliable signal often led to improvement which half an hour later proved to be temporary. As Pat observes, the batteries in the transmitters were poor and the contacts troublesome. I (and some others) used to insert a sixpenny bit in-between battery and contact at one end, a practice disapproved of once they on the 4th floor heard about it. >> >> BBC Research Dept published in 1973 (R.D.C.Thoday) the results of practical performance tests carried out in various TC Studios under the title ?Radio Microphones: Propagation Characteristics in Television Studios?. downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1973-03.pdf Clearly the unpredictability of the system in a studio setting was seen as a pretty knotty problem. >> >> As to kitting out artists with the transmitters, it wasn?t all lovely ladies Pat ? I remember for one dealing with Kenneth Williams who would be so wound up before appearing that he would snap irritably at the need for any adjustment. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 1:10 PM >> To: tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >> >> One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. >> >> There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. >> >> I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. >> >> When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Hullo David T, >>> >>> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >>> >>> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. >>> >>> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >>>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. >>>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>>> >>>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >>>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." >>>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . >>>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >>>> >>>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. >>>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>>> >>>> David T >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>>>> >>>>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>>>> >>>>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>>>> >>>>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> From Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>>>> >>>>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? >>>>>> >>>>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sat Mar 20 13:57:28 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:57:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <0FC163A9-99C0-4E25-ABD1-D1DF84899EEE@me.com> References: <0FC163A9-99C0-4E25-ABD1-D1DF84899EEE@me.com> Message-ID: <18B06774-DF8B-49B7-9EB2-E470485AA1E5@btinternet.com> I was using 4ch VHF Micron diversity in the 80s, up to 6 were possible for field use. The Micron TX were very adaptable for line or mic, with good limiting and bearable compander. The pre amp gain control and indicator were good. I was using wireless boom and you could TPower direct from the TX for MKH 406/416/816. I later used an external battery pack for TPower with pads and LF roll off for more control. P48 was a bit more complicated. Obviously UHF and eventually digital TX enabled many more channels. VHF was useful for world travel on BBC frequencies, it worked in many countries whilst UHF was unreliable. I do remember trying to get 4 Audio Ltd radios to work on Season of the Witch 1969 with Julie Driscol and Robert Powell , just 20? across a road, totally garbled result? The arrival of the Micron sorted that. You could never relax with Radios then, now my ex assistants work with up to 16 and excellent range and SQ. Its a miracle. Roger > On 20 Mar 2021, at 18:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > In the UK, I can?t remember whether it was Micron or Audio who first released a diversity receiver. I know Audio released their RMS2000 system in 1988 and it seemed like every manufacturer was producing diversity systems by the end of the 1990s. > > I have been told about BBC designs dept making diversity receivers for the BBC radio mic systems on VHF band I, but as far as I?m aware, that was done around or after the time I left the BBC in 1989. > > As Chris said, diversity reception was a huge step forward in radio mics. Prior to that they were tricky to use reliably, but diversity reception made radio mics almost plug and play. However i have to concede that good UHF single-ended radio mics have become pretty reliable in recent years. > > Expanding on what Chris said about technical and operational expertise needing to work closely together. I felt that the biggest frustration with BBC designs dept was that they didn?t properly listen to operators. There was no excuse, they could visit studios, OBs and unit bases whenever they wanted and often did, but weren?t usually very receptive to feedback. By contrast most commercial companies were not only prepared to listen, but encouraged feedback and acted upon it. The original SQN 3 mixer was intended for quite a different purpose to the role it?s successors became ubiquitous for. I?ve often felt that Glensound was successful because they listened to users, the same goes for Nagra. The same thing is doubtless true for many other companies making cameras and accessories too. > > Alan Taylor > > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 20 Mar 2021, at 16:41, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> >> >> On 20/03/2021 16:23, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> Nothing technical but I often, at an operational level, >> Ah, but technical and operational should never be kept apart;} >> >> The "reliable" signal problem was what made designers consider the concept of diversity receivers, which really made radio mics sufficiently "solid" that the cabled version became almost unnecessary. I don't have a date for the introduction of a diversity RX though I remember using a diversity VHF one in the 1980s. The UHF versions were so much easier! >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> had experience of trying to nurse them through productions in various TC studios. If two or more were in use, S.S?s often had a sound crew (or pool) member assigned to the unenviable task. Endlessly positioning and re-positioning the receivers at locations around the studio perimeter hoping for reliable signal often led to improvement which half an hour later proved to be temporary. As Pat observes, the batteries in the transmitters were poor and the contacts troublesome. I (and some others) used to insert a sixpenny bit in-between battery and contact at one end, a practice disapproved of once they on the 4th floor heard about it. >>> >>> BBC Research Dept published in 1973 (R.D.C.Thoday) the results of practical performance tests carried out in various TC Studios under the title ?Radio Microphones: Propagation Characteristics in Television Studios?. downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1973-03.pdf Clearly the unpredictability of the system in a studio setting was seen as a pretty knotty problem. >>> >>> As to kitting out artists with the transmitters, it wasn?t all lovely ladies Pat ? I remember for one dealing with Kenneth Williams who would be so wound up before appearing that he would snap irritably at the need for any adjustment. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 1:10 PM >>> To: tech1 <> >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>> >>> One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. >>> >>> There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. >>> >>> I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. >>> >>> When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Hullo David T, >>>> >>>> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >>>> >>>> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. >>>> >>>> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>>>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >>>>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. >>>>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>>>> >>>>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >>>>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." >>>>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . >>>>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >>>>> >>>>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. >>>>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>>>> >>>>> David T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>>>> >>>>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>>>> >>>>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>>>> >>>>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> From Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>>>> >>>>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? >>>>>> >>>>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Sat Mar 20 16:43:42 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:43:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok,I get the message, and Dudley, I hope you don't mind me passing on your info re the cameras in Pres, I obviously missed any stint there when the 2001 was in situ, but the overriding opinion is that the America clip really is in Pres B. Which still leaves me wondering why 'they' obviously 'dressed' the set with posters, when the standard OGWT form of presentation was using the undressed studio surround. And of course the 'T' on the clock is for 'The', which was obviously dropped as the programme abbreviation became just OGWT. But where are the cameramen from this clip today? FWIW, I much preferred the colorimetry of the PC60s to both the MkVIIs and the 2001s, although I would agree that the colorimetry of the 2001s was probably more suited to the majority of drama productions downstairs. Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 20 March 2021 12:27, Dudley Darby wrote: > Hi Tony > > Yes, there was a 2001 in Pres B. It started off its colour career with 2 Peto Scott PC60s and a single Philips PC60 borrowed. It stayed like that until the Philips had to be returned, and was replaced with a single 2001.I spent a lot of time with Stu Patterson finding out about lining up the 2001 during a three-month stint in B. When the Marconi VIIs were eventually removed from the main studios (TC6 I think) they ended up in Pres. Did a few OGWTs and a lot of Colour Me Pops there but not this one. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Marconi mk7.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 554610 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Marconi Pres A.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 605150 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sat Mar 20 16:49:55 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:49:55 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was the first episode of OGWT, it is perhaps more applicable to say that the posters *were* the standard at that point, which they quickly dropped. From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Ok,I get the message, and Dudley, I hope you don't mind me passing on your info re the cameras in Pres, I obviously missed any stint there when the 2001 was in situ, but the overriding opinion is that the America clip really is in Pres B. Which still leaves me wondering why 'they' obviously 'dressed' the set with posters, when the standard OGWT form of presentation was using the undressed studio surround. And of course the 'T' on the clock is for 'The', which was obviously dropped as the programme abbreviation became just OGWT. But where are the cameramen from this clip today? FWIW, I much preferred the colorimetry of the PC60s to both the MkVIIs and the 2001s, although I would agree that the colorimetry of the 2001s was probably more suited to the majority of drama productions downstairs. Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 20 March 2021 12:27, Dudley Darby wrote: Hi Tony Yes, there was a 2001 in Pres B. It started off its colour career with 2 Peto Scott PC60s and a single Philips PC60 borrowed. It stayed like that until the Philips had to be returned, and was replaced with a single 2001.I spent a lot of time with Stu Patterson finding out about lining up the 2001 during a three-month stint in B. When the Marconi VIIs were eventually removed from the main studios (TC6 I think) they ended up in Pres. Did a few OGWTs and a lot of Colour Me Pops there but not this one. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Mar 20 17:53:24 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:53:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60567ce3.1c69fb81.b90bb.1793@mx.google.com> I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" Fun, in those days! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? ? Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! ? Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, ? TeaTeaFN - Tony ? ? Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sat Mar 20 18:55:36 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 23:55:36 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <60567ce3.1c69fb81.b90bb.1793@mx.google.com> References: <60567ce3.1c69fb81.b90bb.1793@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio info on yet. Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in the second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour serial. Shown from the start of December. The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or recorded not long before broadcast. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. From: patheigham Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" Fun, in those days! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Mar 20 19:21:02 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:21:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31CE3025-79FF-4965-AE64-209EAE44857B@mac.com> Weren?t the last one or two episodes of the Forsyte Saga in colour? Or am I thinking of The Pallisers? Whichever, we were hooked on The Forsyte Saga as viewers and the strangest thing that I have found over the years since is that although the great majority, if not all of the episodes were monochrome, I remember them in colour. I had no involvement as I was an oik in Bristol at the time and could only wonder at the magic of it all. Mike G > On 20 Mar 2021, at 23:56, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio info on yet. > > Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in the second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour serial. Shown from the start of December. > > The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or recorded not long before broadcast. > https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f > > This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. > https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 > > > Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. > > > > From: patheigham > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM > To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? > > I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. > I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. > Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? > There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). > Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. > A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. > I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. > Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" > "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" > > Fun, in those days! > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: techtone via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM > To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? > > Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! > > Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 20 19:31:42 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:31:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <31CE3025-79FF-4965-AE64-209EAE44857B@mac.com> References: <31CE3025-79FF-4965-AE64-209EAE44857B@mac.com> Message-ID: Pallisers was definitely shot in colour - or at least the OB parts were. Forsyte was officially made in B&W according to IMDB, but was shot on the cusp of colour, so it?s quite likely that some episodes originated in colour. Does anybody know for sure? Alan Taylor > On 21 Mar 2021, at 00:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Weren?t the last one or two episodes of the Forsyte Saga in colour? Or am I thinking of The Pallisers? Whichever, we were hooked on The Forsyte Saga as viewers and the strangest thing that I have found over the years since is that although the great majority, if not all of the episodes were monochrome, I remember them in colour. > > I had no involvement as I was an oik in Bristol at the time and could only wonder at the magic of it all. > > Mike G > >>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 23:56, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio info on yet. >> >> Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in the second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour serial. Shown from the start of December. >> >> The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or recorded not long before broadcast. >> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f >> >> This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. >> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 >> >> >> Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. >> >> >> >> From: patheigham >> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM >> To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >> >> I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. >> I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. >> Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? >> There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). >> Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. >> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. >> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. >> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" >> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" >> >> Fun, in those days! >> Pat H >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: techtone via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM >> To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >> >> Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! >> >> Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sat Mar 20 19:36:52 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:36:52 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <31CE3025-79FF-4965-AE64-209EAE44857B@mac.com> References: <31CE3025-79FF-4965-AE64-209EAE44857B@mac.com> Message-ID: <542346175721490C9E8F456B30266A75@0023242e4e14> Forsyte was the last of the major costume drama series all made in b/w. I think the final episodes were recorded just before the colour broadcasts from Wimbledon, though went out around the same time. The Pallisers was made in 1973/74. From: Mike Giles Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 12:21 AM To: David Brunt Cc: techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat ; patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Weren?t the last one or two episodes of the Forsyte Saga in colour? Or am I thinking of The Pallisers? Whichever, we were hooked on The Forsyte Saga as viewers and the strangest thing that I have found over the years since is that although the great majority, if not all of the episodes were monochrome, I remember them in colour. I had no involvement as I was an oik in Bristol at the time and could only wonder at the magic of it all. Mike G On 20 Mar 2021, at 23:56, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: ? The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio info on yet. Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in the second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour serial. Shown from the start of December. The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or recorded not long before broadcast. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. From: patheigham Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" Fun, in those days! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Sun Mar 21 03:11:12 2021 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:11:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <722C8B5F-FC2A-4D17-805F-206A53D4DF0C@btinternet.com> I wondered if anyone might know the date when the Pres A/B Marconi Mk7s were finally decommissioned or may recall what happened to them afterwards? Steve > On 21 Mar 2021, at 00:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Pallisers was definitely shot in colour - or at least the OB parts were. Forsyte was officially made in B&W according to IMDB, but was shot on the cusp of colour, so it?s quite likely that some episodes originated in colour. Does anybody know for sure? > > Alan Taylor > >>> On 21 Mar 2021, at 00:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Weren?t the last one or two episodes of the Forsyte Saga in colour? Or am I thinking of The Pallisers? Whichever, we were hooked on The Forsyte Saga as viewers and the strangest thing that I have found over the years since is that although the great majority, if not all of the episodes were monochrome, I remember them in colour. >> >> I had no involvement as I was an oik in Bristol at the time and could only wonder at the magic of it all. >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 23:56, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio info on yet. >>> >>> Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in the second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour serial. Shown from the start of December. >>> >>> The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or recorded not long before broadcast. >>> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f >>> >>> This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. >>> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 >>> >>> >>> Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: patheigham >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM >>> To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >>> >>> I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. >>> I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. >>> Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? >>> There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). >>> Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. >>> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. >>> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. >>> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" >>> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" >>> >>> Fun, in those days! >>> Pat H >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: techtone via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM >>> To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >>> >>> Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! >>> >>> Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sue.malden at btinternet.com Sun Mar 21 04:43:49 2021 From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (SUSAN MALDEN) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:43:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: References: <60567ce3.1c69fb81.b90bb.1793@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <137e4a2c.1c1e5.178542b578b.Webtop.117@btinternet.com> The was a colour separated neg in the archive for the 1967 Vanity Fair Sue ------ Original Message ------ From: "David Brunt via Tech1" To: "techtone" ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com; "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" ; "patheigham" Sent: Saturday, 20 Mar, 21 At 23:55 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio info on yet. Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in the second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour serial. Shown from the start of December. The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or recorded not long before broadcast. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. From: patheigham Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" Fun, in those days! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 21 04:58:13 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:58:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <722C8B5F-FC2A-4D17-805F-206A53D4DF0C@btinternet.com> References: <722C8B5F-FC2A-4D17-805F-206A53D4DF0C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <605718b4.1c69fb81.de2b4.28a0@mx.google.com> I don?t recall Lieutenant Tenant title, but as I was back on the Gram Pool in Feb 1967, but left in Oct 1968, It could have been one of the last productions I worked on. Unlike some sensible people, I never kept a diary ? wish I had, now! I was booming on The Forsyte Saga, and it was definitely B & W (TC3?) I remember a difficult shot, two characters walking down a pillared cloister, Bob Wright, I think, lit with a series of frontal keylights, and I was frantically racking in and out between the pillars, trying to avoid shadows. I never knew that Susan Hampshire was dyslexic ? she learned the dialogue so well. Much later, booming on a film, I was given an in depth lecture on how to operate, from Michael Winner ? didn?t know he was an expert! (expanded story attached). Regards Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. ? From: patheigham Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? ? I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). Got into trouble on that one, one? of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" ? Fun, in those days! Pat H ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Firepower Boom Op.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 18174 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 05:06:27 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:06:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <722C8B5F-FC2A-4D17-805F-206A53D4DF0C@btinternet.com> References: <722C8B5F-FC2A-4D17-805F-206A53D4DF0C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5a16ca24-085f-2d46-e125-e9ffc2fdac0b@gmail.com> Pres A got a major rebuild, with the gallery completely stripped, in 1982, so I imagine that's when we got the Link 110s, along with our amazing Grass Valley 300 mixer, and later the first Quantel Stills Store. Where did they go? Who knows? Well, someone does, but for us, old gear just disappeared. B On 21/03/2021 08:11, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: > > I wondered if anyone might know the date when the Pres A/B Marconi > Mk7s were finally decommissioned or may recall what happened to them > afterwards? > > > Steve > > >> On 21 Mar 2021, at 00:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Pallisers was definitely shot in colour - or at least the OB parts >> were. ?Forsyte was officially made in B&W according to IMDB, but was >> shot on the cusp of colour, so it?s quite likely that some episodes >> originated in colour. ?Does anybody know for sure? >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 21 Mar 2021, at 00:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Weren?t the last one or two episodes of the Forsyte Saga in colour? >>> Or am I thinking of The Pallisers? Whichever, we were hooked on The >>> Forsyte Saga as viewers and the strangest thing that I have found >>> over the years since is that although the great majority, if not all >>> of the episodes were monochrome, I remember them in colour. >>> >>> I had no involvement as I was an oik in Bristol at the time and >>> could only wonder at the magic of it all. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 23:56, David Brunt via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio >>>> info on yet. >>>> >>>> Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in >>>> the second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour >>>> serial. Shown from the start of December. >>>> >>>> The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute >>>> Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or >>>> recorded not long before broadcast. >>>> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f >>>> >>>> >>>> This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. >>>> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock >>>> Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often >>>> pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* patheigham >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM >>>> *To:* David Brunt ; techtone >>>> ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com >>>> ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>> >>>> *Subject:* RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >>>> >>>> I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. >>>> >>>> I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. >>>> >>>> Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? >>>> >>>> There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully >>>> dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). >>>> >>>> Got into trouble on that one, one? of the first plays to be shot in >>>> colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. >>>> >>>> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his >>>> dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for >>>> lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. >>>> >>>> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. >>>> >>>> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" >>>> >>>> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" >>>> >>>> Fun, in those days! >>>> >>>> Pat H >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for >>>> Windows 10 >>>> >>>> *From:*techtone via Tech1 >>>> >>>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM >>>> >>>> *To:*Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; >>>> Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>> >>>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >>>> >>>> Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6on Crew 2, so they were >>>> there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's >>>> one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! >>>> >>>> Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, >>>> >>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>> >>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Avast logo >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 05:12:12 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:12:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? In-Reply-To: <31CE3025-79FF-4965-AE64-209EAE44857B@mac.com> References: <31CE3025-79FF-4965-AE64-209EAE44857B@mac.com> Message-ID: The Forsyte Saga was always B and W, made in TC4. There was controversy at the time because people said they should have waited for colour, but I imagine the schedules would have had 26 big holes if they had. I worked on the first TC8 show, It was scheduled as Proving Tests, 27th September 1967, but not long before, it turned into the Julie Felix Show, with The Incredible String Band B On 21/03/2021 00:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Weren?t the last one or two episodes of the Forsyte Saga in colour? Or > am I thinking of The Pallisers? Whichever, we were hooked on The > Forsyte Saga as viewers and the strangest thing that I have found over > the years since is that although the great majority, if not all of the > episodes were monochrome, I remember them in colour. > > I had no involvement as I was an oik in Bristol at the time and could > only wonder at the magic of it all. > > Mike G > >> On 20 Mar 2021, at 23:56, David Brunt via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio info >> on yet. >> >> Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in the >> second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour >> serial. Shown from the start of December. >> >> The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute >> Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or >> recorded not long before broadcast. >> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f >> >> >> This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. >> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 >> >> >> >> Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock >> Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often >> pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. >> >> >> *From:* patheigham >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM >> *To:* David Brunt ; techtone >> ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com >> ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> >> *Subject:* RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >> >> I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. >> >> I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. >> >> Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? >> >> There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully >> dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). >> >> Got into trouble on that one, one? of the first plays to be shot in >> colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. >> >> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his >> dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for >> lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. >> >> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. >> >> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" >> >> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" >> >> Fun, in those days! >> >> Pat H >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From:*techtone via Tech1 >> >> *Sent:*Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM >> >> *To:*Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; >> Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >> >> Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6on Crew 2, so they were >> there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one >> in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! >> >> Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Geoff F > On 21 Mar 2021, at 09:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I don?t recall Lieutenant Tenant title, but as I was back on the Gram Pool in Feb 1967, but left in Oct 1968, > It could have been one of the last productions I worked on. > Unlike some sensible people, I never kept a diary ? wish I had, now! > I was booming on The Forsyte Saga, and it was definitely B & W (TC3?) > I remember a difficult shot, two characters walking down a pillared cloister, > Bob Wright, I think, lit with a series of frontal keylights, and I was frantically racking in and out between the pillars, > trying to avoid shadows. > I never knew that Susan Hampshire was dyslexic ? she learned the dialogue so well. > > Much later, booming on a film, I was given an in depth lecture on how to operate, from Michael Winner ? didn?t > know he was an expert! (expanded story attached). > > Regards > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. > https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 > > > Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. > > > > From: patheigham > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM > To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? > > I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. > I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. > Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? > There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). > Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. > A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. > I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. > Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" > "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" > > Fun, in those days! > Pat H > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot 2021-03-21 at 10.21.44 copy.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 107980 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There was controversy at the time because people said they should have waited for colour, but I imagine the schedules would have had 26 big holes if they had. > > I worked on the first TC8 show, It was scheduled as Proving Tests, 27th September 1967, but not long before, it turned into the Julie Felix Show, with The Incredible String Band > > B > > > > > > On 21/03/2021 00:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> Weren?t the last one or two episodes of the Forsyte Saga in colour? Or am I thinking of The Pallisers? Whichever, we were hooked on The Forsyte Saga as viewers and the strangest thing that I have found over the years since is that although the great majority, if not all of the episodes were monochrome, I remember them in colour. >> >> I had no involvement as I was an oik in Bristol at the time and could only wonder at the magic of it all. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 23:56, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> The late 1960s is a period I haven?t got a great deal of studio info on yet. >>> >>> Vanity Fair was certainly among the earliest colour recordings in the second half of 1967, heavily promoted as the first major colour serial. Shown from the start of December. >>> >>> The first colour dramas to air though appear to be Thirty Minute Theatre from late October onwards. Most likely either live or recorded not long before broadcast. >>> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f >>> >>> This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. >>> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 >>> >>> >>> Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: patheigham >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM >>> To: David Brunt ; techtone ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >>> >>> I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. >>> I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. >>> Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? >>> There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme Effects Generator). >>> Got into trouble on that one, one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. >>> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. >>> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. >>> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!" >>> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" >>> >>> Fun, in those days! >>> Pat H >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: techtone via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 9:43 PM >>> To: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? >>> >>> Did the first drama on the Mk VIIs in TC6 on Crew 2, so they were there, and had the ring steer modified, and lo and behold, here's one in Pres A, hope you can cope with them as attachments Bernie! >>> >>> Thanks for all your help to a poor, puzzled pensioner, >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Filmed interviews and business on set for Late Night Line Up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hFSUInQFI0&list=PLOm818XDvvgcH2X6w1P7P5rce9fnsbh_3&index=27 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Sun Mar 21 08:43:40 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:43:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <0FC163A9-99C0-4E25-ABD1-D1DF84899EEE@me.com> References: <0FC163A9-99C0-4E25-ABD1-D1DF84899EEE@me.com> Message-ID: Alan, I'd love to have confirmed that the *" earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955."*Seems like that would have to be a valve transmitter, wouldn't it? I've always believed that the first germanium transistor equipment came a couple of years after '55. However Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_microphone ) details the Reg Moores radio mic developed in 1947, followed by McCelland in 1951 and the Shure in 1953, but I do still wonder how small the transmitters were. Another website (*( * https://hub.fullsail.edu/articles/the-evolution-of-the-wireless-microphone) states *"*In 1951, Herbert McClelland of McClelland Sound made a small wireless microphone worn by umpires during a baseball game (a transmitter was strapped to their back). The first claim of a wireless microphone system came in 1953 from audio company Shure Brothers, but the microphone could only go about 15 feet away from the receiver. Sennheiser*'s first wireless microphone also arrived in the '50s as well. "It was a box about the size of two water bottles and it hung on your back and had an antenna that came up the back of your jacket and clipped to your collar," said Brian. "It held six big D-cell batteries and could last for 90 minutes.". *That sounds fun! I wonder if the climbers were needing to change their radio mic batteries during the transmissions. Regarding the radio earpiece feeds that the climbers on the 1967 Hoy programme would have needed, what were the BBC using that would have done that at that time, Stornos perhaps? Brian Summers pointed me to the camera, the Thomson CHF503, a 1" Vidicon with optical viewfinders. Details on the Camera Museum website - https://www.tvcameramuseum.org/thomson/chf503/p2.html. You see the video 'frame rolls' when they cut to the unsynced radio feeds, but as the Producer Alan Chivers says in the documentary* "They had a second man with a backpack, which carried the transmitter. They didn't have the resolution and quality of the big outside broadcast cameras, but they were vital to us as they were the only things we could get on the face of The Old Man."* David T On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 at 18:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > In the UK, I can?t remember whether it was Micron or Audio who first > released a diversity receiver. I know Audio released their RMS2000 system > in 1988 and it seemed like every manufacturer was producing diversity > systems by the end of the 1990s. > > I have been told about BBC designs dept making diversity receivers for the > BBC radio mic systems on VHF band I, but as far as I?m aware, that was done > around or after the time I left the BBC in 1989. > > As Chris said, diversity reception was a huge step forward in radio mics. > Prior to that they were tricky to use reliably, but diversity reception > made radio mics almost plug and play. However i have to concede that good > UHF single-ended radio mics have become pretty reliable in recent years. > > Expanding on what Chris said about technical and operational expertise > needing to work closely together. I felt that the biggest frustration with > BBC designs dept was that they didn?t properly listen to operators. There > was no excuse, they could visit studios, OBs and unit bases whenever they > wanted and often did, but weren?t usually very receptive to feedback. By > contrast most commercial companies were not only prepared to listen, but > encouraged feedback and acted upon it. The original SQN 3 mixer was > intended for quite a different purpose to the role it?s successors became > ubiquitous for. I?ve often felt that Glensound was successful because they > listened to users, the same goes for Nagra. The same thing is doubtless > true for many other companies making cameras and accessories too. > > Alan Taylor > > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 20 Mar 2021, at 16:41, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > > On 20/03/2021 16:23, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Nothing technical but I often, at an operational level, > > Ah, but technical and operational should never be kept apart;} > > The "reliable" signal problem was what made designers consider the > concept of diversity receivers, which really made radio mics sufficiently > "solid" that the cabled version became almost unnecessary. I don't have a > date for the introduction of a diversity RX though I remember using a > diversity VHF one in the 1980s. The UHF versions were so much easier! > > Chris Woolf > > > > > had experience of trying to nurse them through productions in various TC > studios. If two or more were in use, S.S?s often had a sound crew (or pool) > member assigned to the unenviable task. Endlessly positioning and > re-positioning the receivers at locations around the studio perimeter > hoping for reliable signal often led to improvement which half an hour > later proved to be temporary. As Pat observes, the batteries in the > transmitters were poor and the contacts troublesome. I (and some others) > used to insert a sixpenny bit in-between battery and contact at one end, a > practice disapproved of once they on the 4th floor heard about it. > > BBC Research Dept published in 1973 (R.D.C.Thoday) the results of > practical performance tests carried out in various TC Studios under the > title ?Radio Microphones: Propagation Characteristics in Television > Studios?. downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1973-03.pdf Clearly > the unpredictability of the system in a studio setting was seen as a pretty > knotty problem. > > As to kitting out artists with the transmitters, it wasn?t all lovely > ladies Pat ? I remember for one dealing with Kenneth Williams who would be > so wound up before appearing that he would snap irritably at the need for > any adjustment. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, March 20, 2021 1:10 PM > *To:* tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras > > One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC > designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take > proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. > > There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have > located much of the planning information for that show. > > I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of > scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes > against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future > and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a > point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name > I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I > immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have > to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was > sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the > climb of the Old Man of Hoy. > > When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined > my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily > peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able > to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at > that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show > from the Xenon club in London. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > Hullo David T, > > Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! > > I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct > about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early > one. > > Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with > him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable > mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. > > Chris > > > On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: > > Alan, Pat and Chris, > > Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. > The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in > the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly > imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the > receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed > radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. > That documentary really shows the problems well. ( > https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) > > Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium > shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV > engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: *"The radio > microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium > Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is > transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first > transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and > German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are > unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, > frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s > and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to > this country."* > > In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: *"The > transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are > employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator > control."* > Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum:* "ATV had > developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film > community; **compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the > size of a microwave oven **and complete with a huge VHF ground plane > aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced > in 1965 **initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film > work and was **alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike > cables breaking on a **revolving set! **It was an excellent R/F design > with no compansion" *. > Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic > world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the > Microns'. > > Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO > in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However > there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board > with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a > development photo I guess. > Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became > Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. > > David T > > > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Radio mics go back a long way. >> >> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to >> buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >> >> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics >> in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF >> bands. >> >> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, >> which had poor range and needed receiver help. >> >> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic >> systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> From Pat H >> >> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >> >> >> >> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >> >> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >> >> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very >> unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >> >> >> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from >> 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus >> the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do >> that as well around that time? >> >> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western >> Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same >> singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and >> required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside >> thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip >> flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only >> were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. >> So they were switched off for as long as possible. >> >> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it >> back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She >> obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the >> switch. >> >> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company >> of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for >> that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed >> version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, >> under the fishnet tights. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Pat H >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> [image: Avast logo] >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <55EF9458-FA5A-413A-AEC9-D4C092E4DEE3@me.com> ? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9365917/amp/Jed-Mercurio-says-BBC-inefficient-claims-staff-issue-work-ethic.html Philip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 156450 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Mar 21 10:26:10 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:26:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <18B06774-DF8B-49B7-9EB2-E470485AA1E5@btinternet.com> References: <0FC163A9-99C0-4E25-ABD1-D1DF84899EEE@me.com> <18B06774-DF8B-49B7-9EB2-E470485AA1E5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: With regards to diversity radio mics, there was a BBC monograph from 1975 describing a Band III quad diversity system for studio use. https://ia800704.us.archive.org/17/items/bbc-monographs-101/bbc_engineering_101.pdf Unusually for designs dept, they used commercially available radio mic receivers which were slightly modified. The outputs were then fed into a BBC designed combiner system. Do any of the studio chaps have any knowledge of it being deployed? Alan Taylor On 20 Mar 2021, at 20 Mar . 18:57, Roger E Long wrote: > I was using 4ch VHF Micron diversity in the 80s, up to 6 were possible for field use. > The Micron TX were very adaptable for line or mic, with good limiting and bearable compander. > The pre amp gain control and indicator were good. > I was using wireless boom and you could TPower direct from the TX for MKH 406/416/816. > I later used an external battery pack for TPower with pads and LF roll off for more control. > P48 was a bit more complicated. > Obviously UHF and eventually digital TX enabled many more channels. > VHF was useful for world travel on BBC frequencies, it worked in many countries whilst UHF was unreliable. > I do remember trying to get 4 Audio Ltd radios to work on Season of the Witch 1969 with Julie Driscol and Robert Powell , just 20? across a road, totally garbled result? > The arrival of the Micron sorted that. > You could never relax with Radios then, now my ex assistants work with up to 16 and excellent range and SQ. > Its a miracle. > Roger > > >> On 20 Mar 2021, at 18:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> In the UK, I can?t remember whether it was Micron or Audio who first released a diversity receiver. I know Audio released their RMS2000 system in 1988 and it seemed like every manufacturer was producing diversity systems by the end of the 1990s. >> >> I have been told about BBC designs dept making diversity receivers for the BBC radio mic systems on VHF band I, but as far as I?m aware, that was done around or after the time I left the BBC in 1989. >> >> As Chris said, diversity reception was a huge step forward in radio mics. Prior to that they were tricky to use reliably, but diversity reception made radio mics almost plug and play. However i have to concede that good UHF single-ended radio mics have become pretty reliable in recent years. >> >> Expanding on what Chris said about technical and operational expertise needing to work closely together. I felt that the biggest frustration with BBC designs dept was that they didn?t properly listen to operators. There was no excuse, they could visit studios, OBs and unit bases whenever they wanted and often did, but weren?t usually very receptive to feedback. By contrast most commercial companies were not only prepared to listen, but encouraged feedback and acted upon it. The original SQN 3 mixer was intended for quite a different purpose to the role it?s successors became ubiquitous for. I?ve often felt that Glensound was successful because they listened to users, the same goes for Nagra. The same thing is doubtless true for many other companies making cameras and accessories too. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 16:41, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> On 20/03/2021 16:23, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Nothing technical but I often, at an operational level, >>> Ah, but technical and operational should never be kept apart;} >>> The "reliable" signal problem was what made designers consider the concept of diversity receivers, which really made radio mics sufficiently "solid" that the cabled version became almost unnecessary. I don't have a date for the introduction of a diversity RX though I remember using a diversity VHF one in the 1980s. The UHF versions were so much easier! >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> had experience of trying to nurse them through productions in various TC studios. If two or more were in use, S.S?s often had a sound crew (or pool) member assigned to the unenviable task. Endlessly positioning and re-positioning the receivers at locations around the studio perimeter hoping for reliable signal often led to improvement which half an hour later proved to be temporary. As Pat observes, the batteries in the transmitters were poor and the contacts troublesome. I (and some others) used to insert a sixpenny bit in-between battery and contact at one end, a practice disapproved of once they on the 4th floor heard about it. >>>> >>>> BBC Research Dept published in 1973 (R.D.C.Thoday) the results of practical performance tests carried out in various TC Studios under the title ?Radio Microphones: Propagation Characteristics in Television Studios?. downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1973-03.pdf Clearly the unpredictability of the system in a studio setting was seen as a pretty knotty problem. >>>> >>>> As to kitting out artists with the transmitters, it wasn?t all lovely ladies Pat ? I remember for one dealing with Kenneth Williams who would be so wound up before appearing that he would snap irritably at the need for any adjustment. >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2021 1:10 PM >>>> To: tech1 >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>> >>>> One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. >>>> >>>> There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. >>>> >>>> I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. >>>> >>>> When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> Hullo David T, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >>>>> >>>>> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. >>>>> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>>>>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >>>>>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. >>>>>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >>>>>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." >>>>>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . >>>>>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. >>>>>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>>>>> >>>>>> David T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>>>>> >>>>>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> From Pat H >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat H >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Mar 21 11:25:38 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:25:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Work shy BBC staff! In-Reply-To: <55EF9458-FA5A-413A-AEC9-D4C092E4DEE3@me.com> References: <55EF9458-FA5A-413A-AEC9-D4C092E4DEE3@me.com> Message-ID: <0C131180-6165-48A7-9ECC-7539A2C4A22D@icloud.com> Why do I get the impression that he is whingeing because he didn?t get an award. ? Graeme Wall > On 21 Mar 2021, at 15:02, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9365917/amp/Jed-Mercurio-says-BBC-inefficient-claims-staff-issue-work-ethic.html > > Philip > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Mar 21 12:09:46 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Work shy BBC staff! In-Reply-To: <55EF9458-FA5A-413A-AEC9-D4C092E4DEE3@me.com> References: <55EF9458-FA5A-413A-AEC9-D4C092E4DEE3@me.com> Message-ID: <5910c6932edavesound@btinternet.com> Just the Mail doing its usual BBC bashing. Finds a few quotes to suit the story it has already written. In article <55EF9458-FA5A-413A-AEC9-D4C092E4DEE3 at me.com>, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: > # > https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9365917/amp/Jed-Mercurio-says-BBC-inefficient-claims-staff-issue-work-ethic.html > Philip > --Apple-Mail-62020EBE-9229-40D1-A61E-C9C56BCEBD0E > Content-Type: multipart/related; > type="text/html"; > boundary=Apple-Mail-B8BACDCB-9A24-4808-B25D-52F85A84A5B4 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net Sun Mar 21 14:53:23 2021 From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:53:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <69921DE2-5E14-454B-B879-B7D9F025C8BF@me.com> References: <80be91a4-124f-3e86-54db-88701a9e9986@chriswoolf.co.uk> <69921DE2-5E14-454B-B879-B7D9F025C8BF@me.com> Message-ID: <6F216688-87B0-4D87-BEC4-6B1A13A49523@ukgateway.net> Hi Alan The second Hoy climb OB was actually 1982 which I worked on with Lo2. You missed an amazing show which went really well. Two weeks in Orkney in beautiful weather without a drop of rain, just the swarms of midges to contend with. Travel to work from Stromness by boat across Scapa Flow, then minibus and an hours walk to site, unless you could cadge a lift by helicopter. It all went amazingly well with two pairs of climbers, two pros who went up like a dose of salts and Joe Brown and daughter Zoe who struggled but made it eventually. Great live tele! Amazing progress in 15 years from struggling to get local radio mics working in 1967 to all the cameras radio working to the scanner 10 miles away on mainland Orkney. The whole show was a radio links extravaganza. Made up for our previous year?s attempt at an Ice Climb on Ben Nevis which was plagued with bad weather and aborted when conditions got even worse. Some of the gear on the summit wasn?t recovered for months! Robin Sutherland > On 20 Mar 2021, at 13:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. > > There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. > > I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. > > When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Hullo David T, >> >> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >> >> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. >> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. >> >> Chris >> >> >> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>> >>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. >>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>> >>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." >>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . >>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >>> >>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. >>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>> >>> David T >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: >>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>> >>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>> >>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>> >>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>> >>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> From Pat H >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>> >>>> >>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>> >>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>> >>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>> >>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? >>>> >>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. >>>> >>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >>>> >>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Pat H >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Hoy OB 1982.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 99434 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hair raising commutes by helicopter when the weather wasn?t so dreadful that even those maniac pilots wouldn?t fly. When the horrendous weather grounded the helicopters, an hour or two walking up a mountain through the snow made for an invigorating start and finish to each day. It was one of the most memorable shows of my career and I did more than my share of memorable shows. It was all the more fun for me because nearly all the crew booked into a motel which only had a skeleton staff out of season but found itself 100% full for a week or two. As I couldn?t book into there, I randomly chose an alternative and found myself staying in the West End hotel in Fort William. Much of the time I was the only guest in a 40 room hotel, with plenty of staff to look after me and even to socialise with in the evenings. Radio mic coverage is crucial on those types of show. The BBC Band I radio mics had a wire aerial about a metre long. Traditionally it would be fed down the trouser leg of an artist, but for climbing, more reliable results were obtained by feeding the aerial wire upwards along the arm of the climber. Another challenge with working in cold weather is that some battery types suffer from reduced capacity in cold conditions and equipment might only function for 75 to 80% of the expected duration. Fortunately it?s not usually a problem with radio mics because the transmitter is worn close to the body and benefits from body heat. When working in cold weather, recordists sometimes keep certain types of batteries in shirt pockets or other pockets close to the skin so as to keep them nice and warm before using them. Alan Taylor > On 21 Mar 2021, at 19:54, Robin Sutherland wrote: > > ?Hi Alan > > The second Hoy climb OB was actually 1982 which I worked on with Lo2. You missed an amazing show which went really well. Two weeks in Orkney in beautiful weather without a drop of rain, just the swarms of midges to contend with. > > Travel to work from Stromness by boat across Scapa Flow, then minibus and an hours walk to site, unless you could cadge a lift by helicopter. It all went amazingly well with two pairs of climbers, two pros who went up like a dose of salts and Joe Brown and daughter Zoe who struggled but made it eventually. Great live tele! > > Amazing progress in 15 years from struggling to get local radio mics working in 1967 to all the cameras radio working to the scanner 10 miles away on mainland Orkney. The whole show was a radio links extravaganza. Made up for our previous year?s attempt at an Ice Climb on Ben Nevis which was plagued with bad weather and aborted when conditions got even worse. Some of the gear on the summit wasn?t recovered for months! > > Robin Sutherland > > > > > > >> On 20 Mar 2021, at 13:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. >> >> There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. >> >> I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. >> >> When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Hullo David T, >>> >>> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >>> >>> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. >>> >>> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >>>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. >>>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>>> >>>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >>>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." >>>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . >>>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >>>> >>>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. >>>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>>> >>>> David T >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>>>> >>>>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>>>> >>>>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>>>> >>>>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> From Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>>>> >>>>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? >>>>>> >>>>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Sun Mar 21 17:13:13 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 22:13:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: References: <6F216688-87B0-4D87-BEC4-6B1A13A49523@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: <47c80f99-9d59-48c5-b1d6-4211a5e29f82@davidtaylorsound.co.uk> Hi Robin, Thanks for showing us the difference that a bit of better weather...and 15 years of considerable advancement in technology made ! I'm writing a piece that's basically about the Pye TVT built scanners, so I wondered if the vehicles that were on mainland Orkney in 1984 were any of the Pye built ones? David Taylor www postfade co.uk ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On 21 Mar 2021, 21:59, at 21:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >That?s typical, Robin gets the sunshine and a successful show, I did >the previous ice climb on Ben Nevis where brass monkeys were speaking >an octave higher than usual and the climb itself was something of an >anti climax. > >Having said that, I had a whale of a time working on the Ben Nevis >show. Hair raising commutes by helicopter when the weather wasn?t so >dreadful that even those maniac pilots wouldn?t fly. When the >horrendous weather grounded the helicopters, an hour or two walking up >a mountain through the snow made for an invigorating start and finish >to each day. It was one of the most memorable shows of my career and I >did more than my share of memorable shows. It was all the more fun for >me because nearly all the crew booked into a motel which only had a >skeleton staff out of season but found itself 100% full for a week or >two. As I couldn?t book into there, I randomly chose an alternative and >found myself staying in the West End hotel in Fort William. Much of the >time I was the only guest in a 40 room hotel, with plenty of staff to >look after me and even to socialise with in the evenings. > >Radio mic coverage is crucial on those types of show. The BBC Band I >radio mics had a wire aerial about a metre long. Traditionally it >would be fed down the trouser leg of an artist, but for climbing, more >reliable results were obtained by feeding the aerial wire upwards along >the arm of the climber. > >Another challenge with working in cold weather is that some battery >types suffer from reduced capacity in cold conditions and equipment >might only function for 75 to 80% of the expected duration. Fortunately >it?s not usually a problem with radio mics because the transmitter is >worn close to the body and benefits from body heat. When working in >cold weather, recordists sometimes keep certain types of batteries in >shirt pockets or other pockets close to the skin so as to keep them >nice and warm before using them. > >Alan Taylor > > >> On 21 Mar 2021, at 19:54, Robin Sutherland > wrote: >> >> ?Hi Alan >> >> The second Hoy climb OB was actually 1982 which I worked on with Lo2. >You missed an amazing show which went really well. Two weeks in Orkney >in beautiful weather without a drop of rain, just the swarms of midges >to contend with. >> >> Travel to work from Stromness by boat across Scapa Flow, then minibus >and an hours walk to site, unless you could cadge a lift by helicopter. >It all went amazingly well with two pairs of climbers, two pros who >went up like a dose of salts and Joe Brown and daughter Zoe who >struggled but made it eventually. Great live tele! >> >> Amazing progress in 15 years from struggling to get local radio mics >working in 1967 to all the cameras radio working to the scanner 10 >miles away on mainland Orkney. The whole show was a radio links >extravaganza. Made up for our previous year?s attempt at an Ice Climb >on Ben Nevis which was plagued with bad weather and aborted when >conditions got even worse. Some of the gear on the summit wasn?t >recovered for months! >> >> Robin Sutherland >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 13:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC >designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take >proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. >>> >>> There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I >have located much of the planning information for that show. >>> >>> I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of >scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes >against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near >future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we >all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when >alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my >heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so >that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show >from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t >Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. >>> >>> When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but >declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson >for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I >wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long >recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the >climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Hullo David T, >>>> >>>> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >>>> >>>> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are >correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly >an early one. >>>> >>>> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do >with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled >portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete >things. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>>>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of >them. >>>>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is >described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I >can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi >aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of >those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the >broadcasts. >>>>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( >https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>>>> >>>>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The >Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier >edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May >1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val >Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. >Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our >knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of >work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests >show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such >parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to >this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 >Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >>>>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The >transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers >are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal >oscillator control." >>>>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had >developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film >community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the >size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane >aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic >introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first >outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to >overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent >R/F design with no compansion" . >>>>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my >radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound >Ltd and the Microns'. >>>>> >>>>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by >the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. >However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed >circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been >just a development photo I guess. >>>>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later >became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>>>> >>>>> David T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>>>>> >>>>>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV >liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling >radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but >uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure >ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market >radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty >early. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> From Pat H >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of >a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in >heavy rain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium >Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF >receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC >were able to do that as well around that time? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & >Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W >Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was >guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped >to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo >supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which >was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage >of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as >possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t >switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the >situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my >hand up and flick the switch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the >company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics >in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, >in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked >down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat H >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm pretty sure it was recorded in TC6, and as soon as the relevant diary surfaces, I shall hopefully provide TR dates. TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 21 17:49:43 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 22:49:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Forsyte Saga In-Reply-To: <605718b4.1c69fb81.de2b4.28a0@mx.google.com> References: <722C8B5F-FC2A-4D17-805F-206A53D4DF0C@btinternet.com> <605718b4.1c69fb81.de2b4.28a0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It was shot just before the advent of colour because the director had managed to assemble his dream cast who wouldn't have been available if he had waited another few weeks, how sad, but a brilliant production, none the less. Cheers, Dave On 21/03/2021 09:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I don?t recall Lieutenant Tenant title, but as I was back on the Gram > Pool in Feb 1967, but left in Oct 1968, > > It could have been one of the last productions I worked on. > > Unlike some sensible people, I never kept a diary ? wish I had, now! > > I was booming on The Forsyte Saga, and it was definitely B & W (TC3?) > > I remember a difficult shot, two characters walking down a pillared > cloister, > > Bob Wright, I think, lit with a series of frontal keylights, and I was > frantically racking in and out between the pillars, > > trying to avoid shadows. > > I never knew that Susan Hampshire was dyslexic ? she learned the > dialogue so well. > > Much later, booming on a film, I was given an in depth lecture on how > to operate, from Michael Winner ? didn?t > > know he was an expert! (expanded story attached). > > Regards > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > This one seems to be war-based, which could be a possible. > https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f6d8e274a134423bb4eb83e1f1120618 > > > > Early 1968 and shows like Theatre 625, Portrait of a Lady, > Sherlock Holmes, Nana and others start to creep onto the > schedules, often pre-recorded way in advance of transmission. > > *From:*patheigham > > *Sent:*Saturday, March 20, 2021 10:53 PM > > *To:*David Brunt ; techtone > ; Dudley.Darby at gmail.com > ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat > > > *Subject:*RE: [Tech1] Riverside - Colour - OGWT? > > I wonder if that was ?Vanity Fair? for which I was on Grams. > > I know it was one of the first colour productions from TC6. > > Perhaps David Brunt can supply further info? > > There was also a play, where I could keep battle FX going > carefully dubbed against dialogue using the PEG (Programme > Effects Generator). > > Got into trouble on that one, one? of the first plays to > be shot in colour from Studio TC6. Cannot remember the title. > > A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed > near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go > get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision. > > I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud. > > Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing > lunch!" > > "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!" > > Fun, in those days! > > Pat H > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 18:32:31 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 23:32:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> Hi Tony, Think your dates must be wrong. I did Portrait Of A Lady in colour in TC8 with Dave Mutton?s Crew 14 from December 1967 toJanuary 1868.We used the big Marconis with the extended ring steers on the peds. Did Camera 2 on the first episode shot Thursday 7 December and Friday 8 December 1967 in TC8. Last episode was shot in TC8 Thursday 25 January and Friday 26 January 1968 and I was Mole tracking Camera 2 with Piers Fford-Crush on the arm and Pete Leverick up front. We al (and do I mean all) went to Carlo?s Place in Fulham Palace Road for an end of shoot meal party afterwards. One of the happiest series I ever worked on. Geof fF > On 21 Mar 2021, at 22:04, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > I've been searching frantically, but I can'y find my relevant diary entry, but suspect it was recorded in 1968, and it was an Alan Plater trilogy called 'To See How Far It Is' and it starred Norman Rodway and Nigel Davenport as the main two characters. I'm pretty sure it was recorded in TC6, and as soon as the relevant diary surfaces, I shall hopefully provide TR dates. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Mar 22 03:25:30 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 08:25:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Work shy BBC staff! In-Reply-To: <5910c6932edavesound@btinternet.com> References: <5910c6932edavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Like Megan and Harry, Jed should name names - casting a general slur against an organisation taints everybody, but doesn?t lead to the guilty parties being corrected and what he describes is not characteristic of the majority of people I worked with. Mike G > On 21 Mar 2021, at 17:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just the Mail doing its usual BBC bashing. Finds a few quotes to suit the > story it has already written. > > > In article <55EF9458-FA5A-413A-AEC9-D4C092E4DEE3 at me.com>, > Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: >> # > >> https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9365917/amp/Jed-Mercurio-says-BBC-inefficient-claims-staff-issue-work-ethic.html > >> Philip >> --Apple-Mail-62020EBE-9229-40D1-A61E-C9C56BCEBD0E >> Content-Type: multipart/related; >> type="text/html"; >> boundary=Apple-Mail-B8BACDCB-9A24-4808-B25D-52F85A84A5B4 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 22 04:30:38 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:30:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <47c80f99-9d59-48c5-b1d6-4211a5e29f82@davidtaylorsound.co.uk> References: <47c80f99-9d59-48c5-b1d6-4211a5e29f82@davidtaylorsound.co.uk> Message-ID: <85AD0A71-31D0-442D-A297-79B280A4C694@me.com> David, The cameras used on the colour Hoy shoot were far more recent than those in the scanners you?re researching. I?m pretty confident that scanner would have been a Type V scanner with LDK5 cameras and as Robin has mentioned, the cameras nearest the action were radio linked to the main site. Cabled cameras would have been able to take advantage of triax cable runs measured in kilometres, just as on the Ben Nevis ice climb. That type of operation would not have been practical with EMI2001 cameras as used in the previous generation of colour scanners. I can probably find specific information about vehicles on site if it?s needed, but for your purposes with regards to it possibly using earlier Pye scanners, I think we can dismiss that idea. Happening in the mid 1980s puts it definitely in the era of Type V scanners. Alan Taylor > On 21 Mar 2021, at 22:13, David Taylor wrote: > > ? > Hi Robin, > Thanks for showing us the difference that a bit of better weather...and 15 years of considerable advancement in technology made ! > I'm writing a piece that's basically about the Pye TVT built scanners, so I wondered if the vehicles that were on mainland Orkney in 1984 were any of the Pye built ones? > David Taylor > www postfade co.uk > Get BlueMail for Android >> On 21 Mar 2021, at 21:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> That?s typical, Robin gets the sunshine and a successful show, I did the previous ice climb on Ben Nevis where brass monkeys were speaking an octave higher than usual and the climb itself was something of an anti climax. >> >> Having said that, I had a whale of a time working on the Ben Nevis show. Hair raising commutes by helicopter when the weather wasn?t so dreadful that even those maniac pilots wouldn?t fly. When the horrendous weather grounded the helicopters, an hour or two walking up a mountain through the snow made for an invigorating start and finish to each day. It was one of the most memorable shows of my career and I did more than my share of memorable shows. It was all the more fun for me because nearly all the crew booked into a motel which only had a skeleton staff out of season but found itself 100% full for a week or two. As I couldn?t book into there, I randomly chose an alternative and found myself staying in the West End hotel in Fort William. Much of the time I was the only guest in a 40 room hotel, with plenty of staff to look after me and even to socialise with in the evenings. >> >> Radio mic coverage is crucial on those types of show. The BBC Band I radio mics had a wire aerial about a metre long. Traditionally it would be fed down the trouser leg of an artist, but for climbing, more reliable results were obtained by feeding the aerial wire upwards along the arm of the climber. >> >> Another challenge with working in cold weather is that some battery types suffer from reduced capacity in cold conditions and equipment might only function for 75 to 80% of the expected duration. Fortunately it?s not usually a problem with radio mics because the transmitter is worn close to the body and benefits from body heat. When working in cold weather, recordists sometimes keep certain types of batteries in shirt pockets or other pockets close to the skin so as to keep them nice and warm before using them. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 21 Mar 2021, at 19:54, Robin Sutherland wrote: >>>> >>> ?Hi Alan >>> >>> The second Hoy climb OB was actually 1982 which I worked on with Lo2. You missed an amazing show which went really well. Two weeks in Orkney in beautiful weather without a drop of rain, just the swarms of midges to contend with. >>> >>> Travel to work from Stromness by boat across Scapa Flow, then minibus and an hours walk to site, unless you could cadge a lift by helicopter. It all went amazingly well with two pairs of climbers, two pros who went up like a dose of salts and Joe Brown and daughter Zoe who struggled but made it eventually. Great live tele! >>> >>> Amazing progress in 15 years from struggling to get local radio mics working in 1967 to all the cameras radio working to the scanner 10 miles away on mainland Orkney. The whole show was a radio links extravaganza. Made up for our previous year?s attempt at an Ice Climb on Ben Nevis which was plagued with bad weather and aborted when conditions got even worse. Some of the gear on the summit wasn?t recovered for months! >>> >>> Robin Sutherland >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 13:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. >>>> >>>> There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. >>>> >>>> I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. >>>> >>>> When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> Hullo David T, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >>>>> >>>>> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. >>>>> >>>>> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>>>>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >>>>>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. >>>>>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >>>>>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." >>>>>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . >>>>>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. >>>>>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>>>>> >>>>>> David T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> From Pat H >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pat H >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 22 05:07:11 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:07:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] About Radio Mics Message-ID: <60586c4d.1c69fb81.1830.611b@mx.google.com> In talking about range of body worn radio mics, apart from careful positioning of the transmitter aerial, another point to bear in mind is ?body absorption? probably more affecting VHF. (Chris Woolf?). Years ago I did a historical programme about tennis for NBC, with Peter Ustinov at Hampton Court where there is a Real Tennis court. Ustinov is a dream presenter, wordwise, but on that hot summer?s day, he was sweating profusely and range was brought down to literally just a few feet. I used Audio?s RMS2000 in those days, with a trailing wire aerial, carefully cut to the right length according to the wavelength, dimensions supplied by Kish at Audio Ltd. I used a single strand of Sennheiser HD25 headphone cable, as the core was steel and not prone to fracturing. The plugs bought directly from Lemo in Sussex. Lemo were very helpful to freelance recordists, as I had a problem with Canare mic cable which they sorted for me ? but that?s another story. Audio Ltd were superb at customer service, one of my transmitters suffered a break in the board, caused by the wearer leaning against a table ? the TX being in the back trouser pocket. I took it into their Wycombe HQ and expected to be without it for days ? Kish, said if I could wait, he would have it attended to immediately! In those days, JFMG correlated the use of licensable VHF frequencies to enable units to mesh around a city. I had three channels: between them, two frequencies each for BBC, ITV and Independent & seldom ran into any conflicting troubles ? but wait for my next post with some stories! I?ll post a further set of tales involving radio mics in due course ? to brighten up peoples? reading matter in this lockdown era! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Mar 22 05:59:56 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:59:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] About Radio Mics In-Reply-To: <60586c4d.1c69fb81.1830.611b@mx.google.com> References: <60586c4d.1c69fb81.1830.611b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7f183bf4-9cf7-c3cd-14aa-f73c707c3a76@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 22/03/2021 10:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > In talking about range of body worn radio mics, apart from careful > positioning of the transmitter aerial, another point to bear in mind > is ?body absorption? probably more affecting VHF. > > (Chris Woolf?). > The worst frequency for absorption is 40-70MHz, where the body is in resonance. However UHF frequencies can be more affected by surface moisture in clothing - the wave penetration is shallower for higher frequencies. And of course, UHF sees the human body as a much "larger" object, and so struggles to diffract round it. The fact that UK rules allow body pack TXs to be 50mW against the 10mW handheld ones shows the level of absorption expected in terms of reducing range. There is a great deal of work that has been done on this and it is not trivial. The link below is to work out directional patterns with radio mics in real use. Enjoy;} Chris Woolf https://www.bakom.admin.ch/dam/bakom/en/dokumente/frequenzen/report_the_effectofthehumanbodyonwirelessmicrophonetransmission.pdf.download.pdf/report_the_effectofthehumanbodyonwirelessmicrophonetransmission.pdf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When the Hoy programme was planned for the following year the producer on both, Mike Begg insisted that wherever possible the same crew did both shows to make up for the disappointments of the first one. So Lo 2 did them both. To answer David Taylor?s question, Alan is correct. This was not a Pye built Type 2 scanner but the replacement Type 5 with triax cabled LDK5 cameras, which revolutionised OB flexibility with enormous cable runs and radio working capability. Robin Sutherland > On 21 Mar 2021, at 21:59, Alan Taylor wrote: > > That?s typical, Robin gets the sunshine and a successful show, I did the previous ice climb on Ben Nevis where brass monkeys were speaking an octave higher than usual and the climb itself was something of an anti climax. > > Having said that, I had a whale of a time working on the Ben Nevis show. Hair raising commutes by helicopter when the weather wasn?t so dreadful that even those maniac pilots wouldn?t fly. When the horrendous weather grounded the helicopters, an hour or two walking up a mountain through the snow made for an invigorating start and finish to each day. It was one of the most memorable shows of my career and I did more than my share of memorable shows. It was all the more fun for me because nearly all the crew booked into a motel which only had a skeleton staff out of season but found itself 100% full for a week or two. As I couldn?t book into there, I randomly chose an alternative and found myself staying in the West End hotel in Fort William. Much of the time I was the only guest in a 40 room hotel, with plenty of staff to look after me and even to socialise with in the evenings. > > Radio mic coverage is crucial on those types of show. The BBC Band I radio mics had a wire aerial about a metre long. Traditionally it would be fed down the trouser leg of an artist, but for climbing, more reliable results were obtained by feeding the aerial wire upwards along the arm of the climber. > > Another challenge with working in cold weather is that some battery types suffer from reduced capacity in cold conditions and equipment might only function for 75 to 80% of the expected duration. Fortunately it?s not usually a problem with radio mics because the transmitter is worn close to the body and benefits from body heat. When working in cold weather, recordists sometimes keep certain types of batteries in shirt pockets or other pockets close to the skin so as to keep them nice and warm before using them. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 21 Mar 2021, at 19:54, Robin Sutherland wrote: >> >> ?Hi Alan >> >> The second Hoy climb OB was actually 1982 which I worked on with Lo2. You missed an amazing show which went really well. Two weeks in Orkney in beautiful weather without a drop of rain, just the swarms of midges to contend with. >> >> Travel to work from Stromness by boat across Scapa Flow, then minibus and an hours walk to site, unless you could cadge a lift by helicopter. It all went amazingly well with two pairs of climbers, two pros who went up like a dose of salts and Joe Brown and daughter Zoe who struggled but made it eventually. Great live tele! >> >> Amazing progress in 15 years from struggling to get local radio mics working in 1967 to all the cameras radio working to the scanner 10 miles away on mainland Orkney. The whole show was a radio links extravaganza. Made up for our previous year?s attempt at an Ice Climb on Ben Nevis which was plagued with bad weather and aborted when conditions got even worse. Some of the gear on the summit wasn?t recovered for months! >> >> Robin Sutherland >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 13:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> One thing I didn?t mention with the photograph of that earliest BBC designed radio mic was that it was developed in 1955. I hope to take proper pictures of it once Covid restrictions allow. >>> >>> There was another televised climb of Hoy in 1984 in colour and I have located much of the planning information for that show. >>> >>> I?ve previously told the story that our Head of Sound had a habit of scheduling supervisors by initially lightly pencilling cryptic notes against our names on his supervisor allocation sheets for the near future and then inking them in properly nearer the time. Obviously we all made a point of taking a crafty look at any opportunity and when alongside my name I saw about ten days blocked out against Hoy, my heart sank and I immediately filled in a leave chit to clash with it so that I wouldn?t have to work for ten days on the Horse Of the Year show from Wembley. It was sometime later when I discovered that it wasn?t Horse Of the Year, but the climb of the Old Man of Hoy. >>> >>> When I realised my mistake, he allowed me to cancel my leave, but declined my request to put me back on the Hoy job to teach me a lesson for sneakily peeping at his advance planning. As it happened, I wouldn?t have been able to do Hoy anyway as I had to do a week long recce for a drama series at that time and during the weekend of the climb itself, I did a music show from the Xenon club in London. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Hullo David T, >>>> >>>> Thank you - much more fully researched than my dilettante efforts! >>>> >>>> I didn't know that ATV did their own design. I'm not sure they are correct about it being the first transistorised TX but it was certainly an early one. >>>> Geoff Blundell was a brilliant designer, and I had a fair bit to do with him in his last years - we were working on a digitally controlled portable mixer, but sadly his heart gave out before we could complete things. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> On 20/03/2021 12:12, David Taylor wrote: >>>>> Alan, Pat and Chris, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the BBC Radio mic information. and Alan's photos of them. >>>>> The range required for the mics used on the Hoy broadcast is described in the BBC 4 documentary as being 'on the limits'.....well I can certainly imagine that was the case in 1967 even with good Yagi aerial kit on the receivers, as there were 6 climbers, all or most of those would have needed radio mics and radio ear pieces for the broadcasts. >>>>> That documentary really shows the problems well. ( https://youtu.be/k6aYKZwr15k ) >>>>> >>>>> Chris- ATV were proud to have built their own radio mics for The Palladium shows. Referring to a mention of radio mics in an earlier edition, ATV engineer Bernard Marden, stated in Wireless World May 1962: "The radio microphones used by A.T.V.-he refers to the Val Parnell "London Palladium Show "-are designed and constructed by A.T.V. Limited. The unit is transistorized, and is, to the best of our knowledge, the first transistorized transmitter used for this kind of work. The Japanese and German models? came along later but our tests show that these units are unsuitable for broadcasting in such parameters as signal/noise ratio, frequency response, etc. Further to this the Japanese microphone at 27 Mc/s and the German microphone at 37 Mc/s are on frequencies not acceptable to this country." >>>>> In July '62 there is a further mention by Marsden that: "The transmission frequencies are in Bands II and III, and special receivers are employed with very low noise input circuitry and a.f.c. ocal oscillator control." >>>>> Film sound mixer Mike Westgate said in an audio forum: "ATV had developed it's own radio mikes that were the envy of the local film community; compact re-chargeble transmitters but the receivers were the size of a microwave oven and complete with a huge VHF ground plane aerial. Geoff Blundell at Audio Ltd developed a VHF radio mic introduced in 1965 initially used for theatre work and it's first outing for film work and was alleged to be used for Kubrick's 2001 to overcome mike cables breaking on a revolving set! It was an excellent R/F design with no compansion" . >>>>> Like many others I do remember the Audio Ltd RMS models, but my radio mic world didn't really seem to be reliable until 'Better Sound Ltd and the Microns'. >>>>> >>>>> Alan mentioned the Lustraphone model, which I see was approved by the PO in May 1963 for 174.6 to 175 Mcs with a range of 200-300 yards. However there's a photo, also in WW that just shows it as a printed circuit board with a hanging PP3 battery, although that might have been just a development photo I guess. >>>>> Vega had early models in the US didn't they, and LabW, that later became Sennheiser had that first 'Microport' model in '57-58. >>>>> >>>>> David T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> Radio mics go back a long way. >>>>> >>>>> While the BBC always liked to make engineering claims, and ITV liked to buy in new gear, other countries were ahead of the UK. >>>>> >>>>> Shure, Sennheiser and Sony were all demonstrating and selling radio mics in the late 1950s. These used FM transmission, but uncompanded, in the VHF bands. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect the 1961 ones used for the Palladium Show were Shure ones, which had poor range and needed receiver help. >>>>> >>>>> Audio Ltd was created in 1963 specifically to design and market radio mic systems so the UK was in there commercially from pretty early. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19/03/2021 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> From Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Re The Hoy climb of 1967. >>>>>> >>>>>> Three days of transmissions to 'endure' in the rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember viewing this broadcast, and vividly, seeing a shot of a very unhappy looking sound guy, sheltering under a canvas awning in heavy rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> ATV were proud at having radio mics in use on The Palladium Shows from 1961. They had a transistor transmitter, but a whooping VHF receiver, plus the big Yagi aerials that went with it. I guess the BBC were able to do that as well around that time? >>>>>> >>>>>> My only recollection of BBC Radio Mics, was on ?The Country & Western Show? in TC4. This was the summer replacement for the B & W Minstrels, same singers, but they were now in vision. Shani Wallis was guesting and required to dance and sing, so a transmitter was strapped to her inside thigh. It was one of the top right type in the photo supplied ? like a hip flask, with the triangular profile battery, which was hopeless. Not only were the contacts unreliable, but the storage of the charge was pitiful. So they were switched off for as long as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just before she was due to appear, I realised that I hadn?t switched it back on, so dashing to where she was, explained the situation. She obligingly hauled up her skirt, allowing me to put my hand up and flick the switch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fairly recently, I saw ?42nd Street? several times also in the company of Bob Foley, who discovered that there were 83 (!) radio mics in use for that stage show. Believed to be Shure. It?s possible to see, in the filmed version, the mics used for picking up the taps, tucked down at calf height, under the fishnet tights. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However UHF frequencies can be more affected by surface moisture in clothing - the wave penetration is shallower for higher frequencies. And of course, UHF sees the human body as a much "larger" object, and so struggles to diffract round it. The fact that UK rules allow body pack TXs to be 50mW against the 10mW handheld ones shows the level of absorption expected in terms of reducing range. There is a great deal of work that has been done on this and it is not trivial. The link below is to work out directional patterns with radio mics in real use. Enjoy;} Chris Woolf https://www.bakom.admin.ch/dam/bakom/en/dokumente/frequenzen/report_the_effectofthehumanbodyonwirelessmicrophonetransmission.pdf.download.pdf/report_the_effectofthehumanbodyonwirelessmicrophonetransmission.pdf Virus-free. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Later I had multiple contacts with Kish at High Wycombe and was always delighted by the way he dealt with customers. Lemo connectors are amazing, but very scary to solder when using versions with a dozen or more pins in a tiny shell size. The scare factor increases when you know that if you mess it up, you?ve wasted thirty pounds or more ( at 1990s prices ) . I had a Filmtech mixer which used a number of Lemo connectors for specialised purposes and didn?t initially realise that the cable clamp is a precision collet . You need to match the collet size to the exact cable diameter and it?s specified in tenths of a millimetre. Once you get the right size and tighten it all up, they?re the most rock solid connector you can hope for. I encountered a problem finding a spanner thin enough to fit in order to fasten the lock nut. The Lemo people said that they would be happy to sell me the expensive tool for the part, but I might prefer to buy a cheap 10mm spanner and grind it down to be thin enough. They also warned me to always start soldering in the centre and work outwards, which I already knew, but was glad that they warned me. If you start by soldering pin 1, then 2 etc, you can find yourself without enough room to get the soldering iron into the innermost pins. Sound recordists develop many unusual skills, but making up weird adaptor cables is one of the more vital ones. When using radio mics on VHF frequencies, the aerial is often a length of wire and the lower the frequency, the longer the aerial needs to be. Ideally the aerial would be in free air, but in reality it usually has to go under clothing. If you?ve got a combination of a sweaty body and wet clothing with the aerial trapped tightly between what must have looked to the radio waves as being two conductive surfaces, I?ve no idea of exactly what the radio emissions make of it, that?s one for the scientists, but they don?t appear to like it and the range dramatically reduced. Alan Taylor From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Mar 22 07:20:27 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:20:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras In-Reply-To: <85AD0A71-31D0-442D-A297-79B280A4C694@me.com> References: <47c80f99-9d59-48c5-b1d6-4211a5e29f82@davidtaylorsound.co.uk> <85AD0A71-31D0-442D-A297-79B280A4C694@me.com> Message-ID: <39B52DDCC97D4373AF90934FA88D7330@Gigabyte> Looks like an LDK5 here with the CCU on the floor and all linked back to main site on Orkney with usual remote tweaking . Lots of Triax everywhere. I can?t make out all the vehicles at the main site in my photos but it looks as if the scanner was only something small and not full size. I worked on the Glencoe climb in 1980 with enormous lengths of triax (500 and 200ft) helicoptered in and laid down on the mountainside and some links to the top as well. Possibly for reverse vision or maybe a couple of 2001s. Mike From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 9:30 AM To: David Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early BBC Radio mics and cameras David, The cameras used on the colour Hoy shoot were far more recent than those in the scanners you?re researching. I?m pretty confident that scanner would have been a Type V scanner with LDK5 cameras and as Robin has mentioned, the cameras nearest the action were radio linked to the main site. Cabled cameras would have been able to take advantage of triax cable runs measured in kilometres, just as on the Ben Nevis ice climb. That type of operation would not have been practical with EMI2001 cameras as used in the previous generation of colour scanners. I can probably find specific information about vehicles on site if it?s needed, but for your purposes with regards to it possibly using earlier Pye scanners, I think we can dismiss that idea. Happening in the mid 1980s puts it definitely in the era of Type V scanners. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From waresound at msn.com Mon Mar 22 08:02:39 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:02:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] About Radio Mics Message-ID: ?We moved away from VHF a long time ago. Ch38 has an aerial length of approx 3.75 inches. A good tip for soldering Lemos is to slip a piece of 1 or 2mm neoprene sleeve onto the adjacent pins to the one you?re working on so that you don?t accidently transfer solder to them. And slide a piece down onto the one you?ve just done to protect it from the next one. If you think a 6pin OB Lemo is hard to solder, try the even smaller 6pin Timecode Lemo connector, or one of these! > [cid:3A67E9E0-927F-4B21-A0D3-CCFC233D4B06] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Mar 2021, at 12:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ?It?s always good to hear of people experiencing similar excellent customer device. My first experience of getting stuff from Audio Ltd was when they operated from what I remember as a terraced house off the Askew Road in west London. I was dealt with by somebody who I later realised was Geoff Blundell, who seemed very knowledgable about radio mics. Now knowing that he pretty well invented British radio mics, I can understand why he seemed so knowledgeable. Later I had multiple contacts with Kish at High Wycombe and was always delighted by the way he dealt with customers. Lemo connectors are amazing, but very scary to solder when using versions with a dozen or more pins in a tiny shell size. The scare factor increases when you know that if you mess it up, you?ve wasted thirty pounds or more ( at 1990s prices ) . I had a Filmtech mixer which used a number of Lemo connectors for specialised purposes and didn?t initially realise that the cable clamp is a precision collet . You need to match the collet size to the exact cable diameter and it?s specified in tenths of a millimetre. Once you get the right size and tighten it all up, they?re the most rock solid connector you can hope for. I encountered a problem finding a spanner thin enough to fit in order to fasten the lock nut. The Lemo people said that they would be happy to sell me the expensive tool for the part, but I might prefer to buy a cheap 10mm spanner and grind it down to be thin enough. They also warned me to always start soldering in the centre and work outwards, which I already knew, but was glad that they warned me. If you start by soldering pin 1, then 2 etc, you can find yourself without enough room to get the soldering iron into the innermost pins. Sound recordists develop many unusual skills, but making up weird adaptor cables is one of the more vital ones. When using radio mics on VHF frequencies, the aerial is often a length of wire and the lower the frequency, the longer the aerial needs to be. Ideally the aerial would be in free air, but in reality it usually has to go under clothing. If you?ve got a combination of a sweaty body and wet clothing with the aerial trapped tightly between what must have looked to the radio waves as being two conductive surfaces, I?ve no idea of exactly what the radio emissions make of it, that?s one for the scientists, but they don?t appear to like it and the range dramatically reduced. Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35450 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 22 08:20:10 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:20:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] About Radio Mics In-Reply-To: <791F1FD5-C1A2-4E85-BB53-D68EC667F427@me.com> References: <60586c4d.1c69fb81.1830.611b@mx.google.com> <791F1FD5-C1A2-4E85-BB53-D68EC667F427@me.com> Message-ID: <60589988.1c69fb81.18fbf.75a3@mx.google.com> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2021 12:17 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] About Radio Mics It?s always good to hear of people experiencing similar excellent customer device. My first experience of getting stuff from Audio Ltd was when they operated from what I remember as a terraced house off the Askew Road in west London. I was dealt with by somebody who I later realised was Geoff Blundell, who seemed very knowledgable about radio mics. Now knowing that he pretty well invented British radio mics, I can understand why he seemed so knowledgeable. Later I had multiple contacts with Kish at High Wycombe and was always delighted by the way he dealt with customers. Lemo connectors are amazing, but very scary to solder when using versions with a dozen or more pins in a tiny shell size. The scare factor increases when you know that if you mess it up, you?ve wasted thirty pounds or more ( at 1990s prices ) . I had a Filmtech mixer which used a number of Lemo connectors for specialised purposes and didn?t initially realise that the cable clamp is a precision collet . You need to match the collet size to the exact cable diameter and it?s specified in tenths of a millimetre. Once you get the right size and tighten it all up, they?re the most rock solid connector you can hope for. I encountered a problem finding a spanner thin enough to fit in order to fasten the lock nut. The Lemo people said that they would be happy to sell me the expensive tool for the part, but I might prefer to buy a cheap 10mm spanner and grind it down to be thin enough. They also warned me to always start soldering in the centre and work outwards, which I already knew, but was glad that they warned me. If you start by soldering pin 1, then 2 etc, you can find yourself without enough room to get the soldering iron into the innermost pins. Sound recordists develop many unusual skills, but making up weird adaptor cables is one of the more vital ones. When using radio mics on VHF frequencies, the aerial is often a length of wire and the lower the frequency, the longer the aerial needs to be. Ideally the aerial would be in free air, but in reality it usually has to go under clothing. If you?ve got a combination of a sweaty body and wet clothing with the aerial trapped tightly between what must have looked to the radio waves as being two conductive surfaces, I?ve no idea of exactly what the radio emissions make of it, that?s one for the scientists, but they don?t appear to like it and the range dramatically reduced. Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 22 08:39:47 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:39:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] About Radio Mics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63A5EFBD-6BB9-43F2-B626-AAFB4328443B@me.com> Your picture is closer to the type of connector I was soldering. I?ve no longer got the equipment nor the manuals to refer to, but from memory, one of the more useful leads was one which provided a balanced pre-fade output of each channel of a Filmtech mixer and might have included other functions too. It was at least a 12 pin connector within a small shell. There was a similarly complex lead to access the VCA control signals in the mixer so that it could be controlled by an external fader box using just DC control voltages. It offered a very useful way of rain proofing my mixer because the mixer could stay nicely protected, with only the fader box exposed to the elements. The same fader box also had remote control facilities for my DAT too, so that one control surface did everything needed for normal use. I was once given some very thin heat resistant tape by a wireman and used to cut small pieces of it to slip between the terminal being soldered and adjacent ones in order to protect against inadvertent solder bridges. The principle is similar to what you describe using neoprene sleeping. It was a useful trick to use when repairing cables when there was no opportunity to slip sleeping over wires which had already been soldered because slips of tape could be wrapped around any pins. My wife always knew when a big shoot was coming up as I would spend a couple of weeks making custom cables to deal with whatever challenges I had been warned about. Alan Taylor > On 22 Mar 2021, at 13:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?We moved away from VHF a long time ago. Ch38 has an aerial length of approx 3.75 inches. > A good tip for soldering Lemos is to slip a piece of 1 or 2mm neoprene sleeve onto the adjacent pins to the one you?re working on so that you don?t accidently transfer solder to them. And slide a piece down onto the one you?ve just done to protect it from the next one. > If you think a 6pin OB Lemo is hard to solder, try the even smaller 6pin Timecode Lemo connector, or one of these! > > > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 12:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?It?s always good to hear of people experiencing similar excellent customer device. My first experience of getting stuff from Audio Ltd was when they operated from what I remember as a terraced house off the Askew Road in west London. I was dealt with by somebody who I later realised was Geoff Blundell, who seemed very knowledgable about radio mics. Now knowing that he pretty well invented British radio mics, I can understand why he seemed so knowledgeable. Later I had multiple contacts with Kish at High Wycombe and was always delighted by the way he dealt with customers. >> >> Lemo connectors are amazing, but very scary to solder when using versions with a dozen or more pins in a tiny shell size. The scare factor increases when you know that if you mess it up, you?ve wasted thirty pounds or more ( at 1990s prices ) . I had a Filmtech mixer which used a number of Lemo connectors for specialised purposes and didn?t initially realise that the cable clamp is a precision collet . You need to match the collet size to the exact cable diameter and it?s specified in tenths of a millimetre. Once you get the right size and tighten it all up, they?re the most rock solid connector you can hope for. I encountered a problem finding a spanner thin enough to fit in order to fasten the lock nut. The Lemo people said that they would be happy to sell me the expensive tool for the part, but I might prefer to buy a cheap 10mm spanner and grind it down to be thin enough. They also warned me to always start soldering in the centre and work outwards, which I already knew, but was glad that they warned me. If you start by soldering pin 1, then 2 etc, you can find yourself without enough room to get the soldering iron into the innermost pins. Sound recordists develop many unusual skills, but making up weird adaptor cables is one of the more vital ones. >> >> When using radio mics on VHF frequencies, the aerial is often a length of wire and the lower the frequency, the longer the aerial needs to be. Ideally the aerial would be in free air, but in reality it usually has to go under clothing. If you?ve got a combination of a sweaty body and wet clothing with the aerial trapped tightly between what must have looked to the radio waves as being two conductive surfaces, I?ve no idea of exactly what the radio emissions make of it, that?s one for the scientists, but they don?t appear to like it and the range dramatically reduced. >> >> Alan Taylor >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 22 09:08:08 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:08:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] About Radio Mics In-Reply-To: <791F1FD5-C1A2-4E85-BB53-D68EC667F427@me.com> References: <60586c4d.1c69fb81.1830.611b@mx.google.com> <791F1FD5-C1A2-4E85-BB53-D68EC667F427@me.com> Message-ID: <6058a4c6.1c69fb81.526cf.4ef7@mx.google.com> My excellent experience with Lemo concerned a problem I encountered with using Canare mic cables. The jacket is slightly spongy ? probably helps with the flexibility. But on tightening the collar, one could not slide the catch far enough up to release. The guy at Lemo, ( Brian Bostock?) suggested putting a short length of heat shrink sleeving for the collar grip to clamp onto. Solved the problem. Nick- I always used a heat shrink sleeve on all Lemo solder socket connections inside the plug, and also XLR so there was insulation all the way up to the conductor jacket. I think you taught me that. My tool kit contained soldering irons which would work on every countries mains, or propane gas or 12v. With various delicate tips. The kit accompanied me twice round the world. A story: Being able to rescue a possible disastrous shoot: For ABC Sports NY, we had done a 16 hour day in the North of Holland, finally collapsing into a motel. Trouble was that we had an early start to catch a flight to Paris in the morning. The camera batteries were completely flat, and one only got a 4 hr charge overnight ? the charger only processed one at a time, not all together. Arriving in Paris, KLM had managed to mislay our battery box, so we went to the I/V location. Luckily we had the camera mains unit, so I hauled out the battery from the rental car, buggered the power cable to give open ends to wrap around the terminals, and we got the interview! ( I vowed that it would be a good idea to split the battery complement between boxes!). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2021 12:17 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] About Radio Mics Lemo connectors are amazing, but very scary to solder when using versions with a dozen or more pins in a tiny shell size. The scare factor increases when you know that if you mess it up, you?ve wasted thirty pounds or more ( at 1990s prices ) . I had a Filmtech mixer which used a number of Lemo connectors for specialised purposes and didn?t initially realise that the cable clamp is a precision collet . You need to match the collet size to the exact cable diameter and it?s specified in tenths of a millimetre. Once you get the right size and tighten it all up, they?re the most rock solid connector you can hope for. I encountered a problem finding a spanner thin enough to fit in order to fasten the lock nut. The Lemo people said that they would be happy to sell me the expensive tool for the part, but I might prefer to buy a cheap 10mm spanner and grind it down to be thin enough. They also warned me to always start soldering in the centre and work outwards, which I already knew, but was glad that they warned me. If you start by soldering pin 1, then 2 etc, you can find yourself without enough room to get the soldering iron into the innermost pins. Sound recordists develop many unusual skills, but making up weird adaptor cables is one of the more vital ones. Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 22 09:18:04 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:18:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics Message-ID: <6058a71a.1c69fb81.c046d.4321@mx.google.com> As promised, a few stories. Now, Nick Ware, I know you have some, too. Let?s hear them. (Anneka Rice?) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I despise the latter because they do our profession no favours. I have on more than one occasion asked a female presenter if I?m being too familiar or inappropriate, and invariably they?ve said something along the lines of: ?good grief no, I could tell you horror stories of some that have seriously given me the creeps?. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Mar 2021, at 14:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? As promised, a few stories. Now, Nick Ware, I know you have some, too. Let?s hear them. (Anneka Rice?) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Radio Mic Tales.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 38881 bytes Desc: Radio Mic Tales.pdf URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Mar 22 16:05:45 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 21:05:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> References: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ha! I've found the relevant info, and I can see why I had difficulties tracking it down, but to start: The programmes went under the banner of Theatre 625, and the first was recorded in TC6 November 13 - 15 1967, entitled 'See How Far It Is'. The thing that misled me was that we then did another Theatre 625 in TC6 November 27 - 29 called 'Play With A Tiger' which I don't recall as being one of the trilogy. OK,then, TC6 December 11 - 13 'Murphy's Law'. TC6 December 18 - 20 'The Curse of the Donkins'. These titles as Norman Rodway played Murphy and Nigel Davenport played Donkin. First drama(s) in colour, I rest my case m'lud. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 17:35:28 2021 From: jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com (John Cavaciuti) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:35:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tony, Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat you by a week. We, Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph Cartier in TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well. Large Marconi mark VII cameras, a mole crane, peds with large steering wheels and the provision of extra floor staff to help with tracking. Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves. Cheers, John. Cav. > On 22 Mar 2021, at 21:05, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > Ha! I've found the relevant info, and I can see why I had difficulties tracking it down, but to start: The programmes went under the banner of Theatre 625, and the first was recorded in TC6 November 13 - 15 1967, entitled 'See How Far It Is'. > > The thing that misled me was that we then did another Theatre 625 in TC6 November 27 - 29 called 'Play With A Tiger' which I don't recall as being one of the trilogy. > > OK,then, TC6 December 11 - 13 'Murphy's Law'. TC6 December 18 - 20 'The Curse of the Donkins'. These titles as Norman Rodway played Murphy and Nigel Davenport played Donkin. First drama(s) in colour, I rest my case m'lud. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 17:52:04 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:52:04 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> Message-ID: There?s a Cartier Theatre 625 that went out on November 12th, which might be a bit tight for editing. Not marked in the Radiotimes as Colour either. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/9684c590a7284ad18f8a08542b690204 The next one was transmitted in April 1968 and is perhaps more likely. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/25dbfbf45ef44134a5940f0baa098fd4 From: John Cavaciuti via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:35 PM To: techtone Cc: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) Hi Tony, Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat you by a week. We, Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph Cartier in TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well. Large Marconi mark VII cameras, a mole crane, peds with large steering wheels and the provision of extra floor staff to help with tracking. Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves. Cheers, John. Cav. On 22 Mar 2021, at 21:05, techtone via Tech1 wrote: Ha! I've found the relevant info, and I can see why I had difficulties tracking it down, but to start: The programmes went under the banner of Theatre 625, and the first was recorded in TC6 November 13 - 15 1967, entitled 'See How Far It Is'. The thing that misled me was that we then did another Theatre 625 in TC6 November 27 - 29 called 'Play With A Tiger' which I don't recall as being one of the trilogy. OK,then, TC6 December 11 - 13 'Murphy's Law'. TC6 December 18 - 20 'The Curse of the Donkins'. These titles as Norman Rodway played Murphy and Nigel Davenport played Donkin. First drama(s) in colour, I rest my case m'lud. 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Message-ID: John Cav is absolutely correct. The first studio drama in colour was done in TC6 (God rest its soul) on the 6th and 7th November 1967. It was a Theatre 625 production of 'Lieutenant Tenant' directed by Donald McWhinnie and Produced by Michael Bakewell. It starred Jimmy Thomson and, much to my delight, Angela Douglas The storyline, as far as I can remember, was that a clerical error meant there was no name was attached to a deportation order to Siberia of a Russian army Lieutenant. Therefore two squaddies were ordered to escort Lieutenant Comma (the Russian word for comma is Tenant) who didn't exist through the snow and ice. Snow was a technical nightmare for the colour cameras we had but it was a great set designed by Richard Wilmott. It was recorded and transmitted on 4th December and it was Crew 5. And I can't believe that's 53 years ago! Peter Hider From phider at gmx.com Tue Mar 23 03:16:35 2021 From: phider at gmx.com (Mr P.J.Hider) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:16:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama at Television Centre. Message-ID: John Cav is absolutely correct. The first studio drama in colour was done in TC6 (God rest its soul) on the 6th and 7th November 1967. It was a Theatre 625 production of 'Lieutenant Tenant' directed by Donald McWhinnie and Produced by Michael Bakewell. It starred Jimmy Thomson and, much to my delight, Angela Douglas The storyline, as far as I can remember, was that a clerical error meant there was no name was attached to a deportation order to Siberia of a Russian army Lieutenant. Therefore two squaddies were ordered to escort Lieutenant Comma (the Russian word for comma is Tenant) who didn't exist through the snow and ice. Snow was a technical nightmare for the colour cameras we had but it was a great set designed by Richard Wilmott. It was recorded and transmitted on 4th December and it was Crew 5. And I can't believe that's 53 years ago! Peter Hider From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 23 06:42:10 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:42:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: <717876859.183291.1616478668501@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> <717876859.183291.1616478668501@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <6059d412.1c69fb81.43737.826b@mx.google.com> Ah! The never-to-be-forgotten Jim Atkinson. He taught me camerawork in thirty minutes! Was it actually that simple? I did make an utter balls-up on a schools programme. Tracking a Vinten Motorised with Jim on the front, we had to come in from the corner of TC2, on a curving track to finish up on a tracking ladder, which for the rest of the show, was used to go up and down past a row of shopfront sets. Rehearsal perfect, but on the recording, I got the line up wrong and missed the ladder - two foot further back. No zoom lenses then, and all the shots were a bit too wide. I got a real wigging from Jim ? quite deservedly! I recall a programme with a new, inexperienced director. He kept directing the #1 camera ? pan left, no, pan right, tilt up, tilt down. Eddie Stuart beckoned the boom over and said: ?Just tell me the shot you want, and I?ll give it to you!? I learned about lighting at Wood Norton and much later, working on a commercial with the great Freddie Young as DoP: Shot at Hatchlands, a National Trust property near my home (probably the nearest location I?ve ever had!) it was the first Nescafe Gold Blend of the subsequent series. Freddie paused by the sound table and enquired who was the boom operator. Me! Asked me my name and said: ?I?m Freddie, and you won?t have any problems?. Standing in the artistes? position, I took a look and saw perfectly textbook standard 3-point lighting ? key, fill, back. A lovely man! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Way via Tech1 Sent: 23 March 2021 05:51 To: John Cavaciuti; John Cavaciuti via Tech1; techtone Subject: Re: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) Hi John, "Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves." With best wishes, ? Nick WAY -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 06:47:04 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:47:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: <717876859.183291.1616478668501@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> <717876859.183291.1616478668501@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <03320161-8dee-ad60-2c1b-966d0bce2bff@gmail.com> Most people didn't need help, though the union said there should be, so a group of us were put on the ped tracking pool, and we would hang out in Blue Assembly waiting for work. It was very depressing. Those of us who had read "Technical Careers in the Engineering Division" had expected to be cameramen in three years and here we were wasting our days away. Lots of people left the BBC, Later we'd be rotated through Pres, where, in Pres B we'd track Marconis around the place on OGWT with no help at all, though I was told by John Bowey that my union forbidded it. B On 23/03/2021 05:51, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > Hi John, > > You did make me smile: "Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t > need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves." > > I was the Sound Trainee on Crew 5 in 1980. > With best wishes, > Nick WAY >> On 22/03/2021 22:35 John Cavaciuti via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Tony, >> >> Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat >> you by a week. >> >> ?We, ?Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph >> Cartier in TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. >> I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well. ?Large >> Marconi mark VII cameras, a mole crane, >> peds with large steering wheels ?and ?the provision of extra floor >> staff to help with tracking. >> >> Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as >> we could manage quite well ourselves. >> >> Cheers, >> >> John. Cav. >> >>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 21:05, techtone via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> Ha! I've found the relevant info, and I can see why I had >>> difficulties tracking it down, but to start: The programmes went >>> under the banner of Theatre 625, and the first was recorded in TC6 >>> November 13 - 15 1967, entitled 'See How Far It Is'. >>> >>> The thing that misled me was that we then did another Theatre 625 in >>> TC6 November 27 - 29 called 'Play With A Tiger' which I don't recall >>> as being one of the trilogy. >>> >>> OK,then, TC6 December 11 - 13 'Murphy's Law'. TC6 December 18 - 20 >>> 'The Curse of the Donkins'. These titles as Norman Rodway played >>> Murphy and Nigel Davenport played Donkin. First drama(s) in colour, >>> I rest my case m'lud. >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 07:02:20 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:02:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: <03320161-8dee-ad60-2c1b-966d0bce2bff@gmail.com> References: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> <717876859.183291.1616478668501@email.ionos.co.uk> <03320161-8dee-ad60-2c1b-966d0bce2bff@gmail.com> Message-ID: I always saw ped work as a stand alone job - taught by the great Pete Ware and initially Mike Harrison on Crew 4. Pete Ware was the best ped man I ever saw, easily as good, if not better, than Jim but without the arrogance and bullsh. Geoff F On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 11:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Most people didn't need help, though the union said there should be, so a > group of us were put on the ped tracking pool, and we would hang out in > Blue Assembly waiting for work. It was very depressing. Those of us who had > read "Technical Careers in the Engineering Division" had expected to be > cameramen in three years and here we were wasting our days away. Lots of > people left the BBC, > > Later we'd be rotated through Pres, where, in Pres B we'd track Marconis > around the place on OGWT with no help at all, though I was told by John > Bowey that my union forbidded it. > > > B > > > > On 23/03/2021 05:51, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi John, > > You did make me smile: "Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t > need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves." > > I was the Sound Trainee on Crew 5 in 1980. > > With best wishes, > > Nick WAY > > On 22/03/2021 22:35 John Cavaciuti via Tech1 > wrote: > > > Hi Tony, > > Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat you > by a week. > > We, Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph Cartier in > TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. > I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well. Large Marconi > mark VII cameras, a mole crane, > peds with large steering wheels and the provision of extra floor staff > to help with tracking. > > Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we > could manage quite well ourselves. > > Cheers, > > John. Cav. > > On 22 Mar 2021, at 21:05, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: > Ha! I've found the relevant info, and I can see why I had difficulties > tracking it down, but to start: The programmes went under the banner of > Theatre 625, and the first was recorded in TC6 November 13 - 15 1967, > entitled 'See How Far It Is'. > > The thing that misled me was that we then did another Theatre 625 in TC6 > November 27 - 29 called 'Play With A Tiger' which I don't recall as being > one of the trilogy. > > OK,then, TC6 December 11 - 13 'Murphy's Law'. TC6 December 18 - 20 'The > Curse of the Donkins'. These titles as Norman Rodway played Murphy and > Nigel Davenport played Donkin. First drama(s) in colour, I rest my case > m'lud. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Tue Mar 23 07:41:43 2021 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:41:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics Message-ID: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other political views to his pwn and this subject came up. Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see how long it would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing on the Producers knickers. 20 minutes! John V From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Tue Mar 23 07:49:08 2021 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:49:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spellcheck Message-ID: <7E941A43-8533-4AD5-B06E-3B64EB72DEF3@vincent68.plus.com> I think wine balance sounds better than white balance! John V From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Tue Mar 23 08:32:33 2021 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:32:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) Message-ID: <9ejq6sou65d8hu2d91mqfeym.1616504485996@email.android.com> Not the first colour drama, but quite early, was a series called 'Ooh la la' in about 1967-68.? French farces by Georges Feydeau (IIRC!), Crew 18 with Colin Reid in TC8*, I think, because it was EMI 2001s rather than MkVIIs, and I thought they were better suited to the pace of the action - fast!* someone can tell us!Best wishes? .....? Vernon Dyer?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Date: 23/03/2021 12:02 (GMT+00:00) To: Bernard Newnham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) I always saw ped work as a stand alone job - taught by the great Pete Ware and initially Mike Harrison on Crew 4. Pete Ware was the best ped man I ever saw, easily as good, if not better, than Jim but without the arrogance and bullsh.?Geoff FOn Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 11:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Most people didn't need help, though the union said there should be, so a group of us were put on the ped tracking pool, and we would hang out in Blue Assembly waiting for work. It was very depressing. Those of us who had read "Technical Careers in the Engineering Division" had expected to be cameramen in three years and here we were wasting our days away. Lots of people left the BBC, Later we'd be rotated through Pres, where, in Pres B we'd track Marconis around the place on OGWT with no help at all, though I was told by John Bowey that my union forbidded it. B ? On 23/03/2021 05:51, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: Hi John, You did make me smile: "Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves." I was the Sound Trainee on Crew 5 in 1980. ? With best wishes, ? Nick WAY On 22/03/2021 22:35 John Cavaciuti via Tech1 wrote: Hi Tony, Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat you by a week. ?We, ?Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph Cartier in TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well.? Large Marconi mark VII cameras, a mole crane,? peds with large steering wheels ?and ?the provision of extra floor staff to help with tracking.? Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves. Cheers, John. Cav. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 09:26:40 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:26:40 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics In-Reply-To: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> References: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> I could not agree more! I very quickly get fed up with his BS stories of his exploits around females of the species, and his fertile imagination of how many film shoots he has saved from disaster! A better place for those would be a cinematographers forum, not BBC Techs which he left many years ago Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1 Sent: 23 March 2021 12:42 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other political views to his pwn and this subject came up. Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see how long it would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing on the Producers knickers. 20 minutes! John V -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 09:47:14 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:47:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Being kind to others In-Reply-To: <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> References: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: We are now all old gits - well most of us.? It behoves to be tolerant of others? on the list. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 10:22:41 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:22:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics In-Reply-To: <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> References: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Personally I would rather read Pat's usually entertaining stories than endless technical and supremely boring diatribes about radio mics and the like. I have tried to be tolerant, but lately this forum has become a sound technical treatise. But then, I was only a thicko cameraman! Leave the guy alone. He tells it like it was before the insidious PC brigade rose to power and stifled much of free speech. Nick Ware and co don't bother having a go at me because I shall ignore your comments anyway! I expect. Bernie will boot me out of this group now, but someone had to stick his neck out on Pat's behalf. Geoff F Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 14:27, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > I could not agree more! > I very quickly get fed up with his BS stories of his exploits around > females > of the species, and his fertile imagination of how many film shoots he has > saved from disaster! > A better place for those would be a cinematographers forum, not BBC Techs > which he left many years ago > Dave D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1 > Sent: 23 March 2021 12:42 > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics > > Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! > > I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. > > I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other political > views to his pwn and this subject came up. > > Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see how long > it > would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing on the > Producers knickers. > > 20 minutes! > > John V > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 11:11:29 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:11:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] List conduct In-Reply-To: References: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <85c37fc3-84f3-3047-8d9f-077259784dea@gmail.com> No - actually I tend to agree.?? I don't mind at all if people want to talk dirty about obscure technology, or about white balancing on panties. What I don't like is people being unkind on the list, and attacking other members. And I do have the right of veto, and have exercised it before. Once upon a time, I was producer/cameraman on a fashion thing somewhere in London. Basically I was looking after a junior director. We went to Janet Reger's and recorded various underwear, then on to some place that did tops of various sorts.? I mostly operated the camera, gave it to my trainee some of the time, and otherwise gave directorial advice.? We got to a plain jumper, and the model said "That won't fit me, it's too big".? I looked around, and our researcher, who had set things up, looked the right size, so I suggested she wore the top - "We won't see your face, just the jumper". So off she went and got changed, cam back and sat down. It has to be said that a plain jumper isn't terribly gripping visually, but there was another problem. After a while, I could do no more - "I'm sorry, but all can see is nipples".? They were rather prominent.? "Oh, what shall I do?"? "If you go off to the loo and stuff toilet paper down your bra, that will probably work" And it did. I haven't told that story here before and I won't again. B On 23/03/2021 15:22, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Personally I would rather read Pat's usually entertaining stories than > endless technical and supremely boring diatribes about radio mics and > the like.? I have tried to be tolerant, but lately this forum has > become a sound technical treatise. But then, I was only a thicko > cameraman! Leave the guy alone. > He tells it like it was before ?the ?insidious PC brigade rose to > power and stifled ?much of free speech.? Nick Ware and co don't bother > having a go at me because I shall ignore your comments anyway!? I > expect. Bernie will boot me out of this group now, but someone had to > stick his neck out on Pat's behalf. > Geoff F > > > ?Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 14:27, David Denness via Tech1 > > wrote: > > I could not agree more! > I very quickly get fed up with his BS stories of his exploits > around females > of the species, and his fertile imagination of how many film > shoots he has > saved from disaster! > A better place for those would be a cinematographers forum, not > BBC Techs > which he left many years ago > Dave D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1 > Sent: 23 March 2021 12:42 > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics > > Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! > > I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. > > I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other > political > views to his pwn and this subject came up. > > Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see > how long it > would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing > on the > Producers knickers. > > 20 minutes! > > John V > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Mar 23 11:26:03 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:26:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fashion, was List conduct In-Reply-To: <85c37fc3-84f3-3047-8d9f-077259784dea@gmail.com> References: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> <85c37fc3-84f3-3047-8d9f-077259784dea@gmail.com> Message-ID: Fashion shoots coud have some non-obvious problems, What is now Solent university had a design course that put on a fashion show at a local venue at the end of the academic year which TVS used to cover as a nice little item for the local magazine programme. One year one of the girls, who?s sister was a model, on the course had managed to persuade some professional models from London to come down and model the clothes. Got set up ready and, just as we started, one of the models came running round from backstage and begged us not to film her. Her agent had said she wasn?t to do it and she?d be in dreadful trouble if he saw her. She was modelling shoes so I said OK, I?m only flming feet for that bit. Not good enough, he?d recognise her walk! Easy answer, we didn?t cover the shoes at all. ? Graeme Wall > On 23 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > No - actually I tend to agree. I don't mind at all if people want to talk dirty about obscure technology, or about white balancing on panties. What I don't like is people being unkind on the list, and attacking other members. And I do have the right of veto, and have exercised it before. > > Once upon a time, I was producer/cameraman on a fashion thing somewhere in London. Basically I was looking after a junior director. We went to Janet Reger's and recorded various underwear, then on to some place that did tops of various sorts. I mostly operated the camera, gave it to my trainee some of the time, and otherwise gave directorial advice. We got to a plain jumper, and the model said "That won't fit me, it's too big". I looked around, and our researcher, who had set things up, looked the right size, so I suggested she wore the top - "We won't see your face, just the jumper". So off she went and got changed, cam back and sat down. It has to be said that a plain jumper isn't terribly gripping visually, but there was another problem. After a while, I could do no more - "I'm sorry, but all can see is nipples". They were rather prominent. "Oh, what shall I do?" "If you go off to the loo and stuff toilet paper down your bra, that will probably work" And it did. > > I haven't told that story here before and I won't again. > > B > > > > On 23/03/2021 15:22, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >> Personally I would rather read Pat's usually entertaining stories than endless technical and supremely boring diatribes about radio mics and the like. I have tried to be tolerant, but lately this forum has become a sound technical treatise. But then, I was only a thicko cameraman! Leave the guy alone. >> He tells it like it was before the insidious PC brigade rose to power and stifled much of free speech. Nick Ware and co don't bother having a go at me because I shall ignore your comments anyway! I expect. Bernie will boot me out of this group now, but someone had to stick his neck out on Pat's behalf. >> Geoff F >> >> >> Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 14:27, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >> I could not agree more! >> I very quickly get fed up with his BS stories of his exploits around females >> of the species, and his fertile imagination of how many film shoots he has >> saved from disaster! >> A better place for those would be a cinematographers forum, not BBC Techs >> which he left many years ago >> Dave D >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1 >> Sent: 23 March 2021 12:42 >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics >> >> Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! >> >> I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. >> >> I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other political >> views to his pwn and this subject came up. >> >> Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see how long it >> would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing on the >> Producers knickers. >> >> 20 minutes! >> >> John V >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 11:41:03 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:41:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] List conduct In-Reply-To: <85c37fc3-84f3-3047-8d9f-077259784dea@gmail.com> References: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> <85c37fc3-84f3-3047-8d9f-077259784dea@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70F6CC59-BAF6-4427-A196-FF69E4C3C630@gmail.com> Well Bernie - my ghast is totally flabbered! And I?m pleased not to be booted out. Geoff F. > On 23 Mar 2021, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > No - actually I tend to agree. I don't mind at all if people want to talk dirty about obscure technology, or about white balancing on panties. What I don't like is people being unkind on the list, and attacking other members. And I do have the right of veto, and have exercised it before. > > Once upon a time, I was producer/cameraman on a fashion thing somewhere in London. Basically I was looking after a junior director. We went to Janet Reger's and recorded various underwear, then on to some place that did tops of various sorts. I mostly operated the camera, gave it to my trainee some of the time, and otherwise gave directorial advice. We got to a plain jumper, and the model said "That won't fit me, it's too big". I looked around, and our researcher, who had set things up, looked the right size, so I suggested she wore the top - "We won't see your face, just the jumper". So off she went and got changed, cam back and sat down. It has to be said that a plain jumper isn't terribly gripping visually, but there was another problem. After a while, I could do no more - "I'm sorry, but all can see is nipples". They were rather prominent. "Oh, what shall I do?" "If you go off to the loo and stuff toilet paper down your bra, that will probably work" And it did. > > I haven't told that story here before and I won't again. > > B > > > > On 23/03/2021 15:22, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >> Personally I would rather read Pat's usually entertaining stories than endless technical and supremely boring diatribes about radio mics and the like. I have tried to be tolerant, but lately this forum has become a sound technical treatise. But then, I was only a thicko cameraman! Leave the guy alone. >> He tells it like it was before the insidious PC brigade rose to power and stifled much of free speech. Nick Ware and co don't bother having a go at me because I shall ignore your comments anyway! I expect. Bernie will boot me out of this group now, but someone had to stick his neck out on Pat's behalf. >> Geoff F >> >> >> Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 14:27, David Denness via Tech1 > wrote: >> I could not agree more! >> I very quickly get fed up with his BS stories of his exploits around females >> of the species, and his fertile imagination of how many film shoots he has >> saved from disaster! >> A better place for those would be a cinematographers forum, not BBC Techs >> which he left many years ago >> Dave D >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1 >> Sent: 23 March 2021 12:42 >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics >> >> Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! >> >> I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. >> >> I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other political >> views to his pwn and this subject came up. >> >> Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see how long it >> would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing on the >> Producers knickers. >> >> 20 minutes! >> >> John V >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 12:32:33 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:32:33 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] List conduct In-Reply-To: <85c37fc3-84f3-3047-8d9f-077259784dea@gmail.com> References: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> <85c37fc3-84f3-3047-8d9f-077259784dea@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009a01d7200a$82103120$86309360$@gmail.com> I couldn?t agree more about the need to be tolerant of others as we don?t want any bad feeling to arise between us on here. We should also be circumspect and restrained in what we post, as we are doing it for readers we don?t know, not just those with whom we can say what we like, knowing how they?ll take it. It's good to read some of the stories of past exploits on OBs and filming, like the one about covering the ascent of the Old Man of Hoy and what was involved for the crew in accessing the site, as I remember seeing bits of it on tv. The story below from Bernie below was good too as it takes us into the moment when he handled a delicate situation diplomatically and without causing embarrassment, as a true professional. We all have stories to tell of things we did well and those we didn?t, even those of us who spent their working life almost entirely in studios and it?s good if we can do so honestly. The great Frank Wilkins of whom I was an admirer far more that the other, oft mentioned senior cameraman, once said after a show, ?Well, we mucked that one up (spelling changed) well and truly didn?t we? - which made him seem human just like the rest of us and not a demi-god. Haste the day when we can meet again and share stories face to face - and I look forward hopefully to meeting some of you more prolific writers and hearing your tales in person, Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 23 March 2021 16:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] List conduct No - actually I tend to agree. I don't mind at all if people want to talk dirty about obscure technology, or about white balancing on panties. What I don't like is people being unkind on the list, and attacking other members. And I do have the right of veto, and have exercised it before. Once upon a time, I was producer/cameraman on a fashion thing somewhere in London. Basically I was looking after a junior director. We went to Janet Reger's and recorded various underwear, then on to some place that did tops of various sorts. I mostly operated the camera, gave it to my trainee some of the time, and otherwise gave directorial advice. We got to a plain jumper, and the model said "That won't fit me, it's too big". I looked around, and our researcher, who had set things up, looked the right size, so I suggested she wore the top - "We won't see your face, just the jumper". So off she went and got changed, cam back and sat down. It has to be said that a plain jumper isn't terribly gripping visually, but there was another problem. After a while, I could do no more - "I'm sorry, but all can see is nipples". They were rather prominent. "Oh, what shall I do?" "If you go off to the loo and stuff toilet paper down your bra, that will probably work" And it did. I haven't told that story here before and I won't again. B On 23/03/2021 15:22, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: Personally I would rather read Pat's usually entertaining stories than endless technical and supremely boring diatribes about radio mics and the like. I have tried to be tolerant, but lately this forum has become a sound technical treatise. But then, I was only a thicko cameraman! Leave the guy alone. He tells it like it was before the insidious PC brigade rose to power and stifled much of free speech. Nick Ware and co don't bother having a go at me because I shall ignore your comments anyway! I expect. Bernie will boot me out of this group now, but someone had to stick his neck out on Pat's behalf. Geoff F Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 14:27, David Denness via Tech1 > wrote: I could not agree more! I very quickly get fed up with his BS stories of his exploits around females of the species, and his fertile imagination of how many film shoots he has saved from disaster! A better place for those would be a cinematographers forum, not BBC Techs which he left many years ago Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1 Sent: 23 March 2021 12:42 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other political views to his pwn and this subject came up. Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see how long it would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing on the Producers knickers. 20 minutes! John V -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 12:34:45 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:34:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] List conduct In-Reply-To: <009a01d7200a$82103120$86309360$@gmail.com> References: <73CFBD83-B553-4518-A2A3-22437886A75B@vincent68.plus.com> <006c01d71ff0$8aaf5f00$a00e1d00$@gmail.com> <85c37fc3-84f3-3047-8d9f-077259784dea@gmail.com> <009a01d7200a$82103120$86309360$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here! here! Geoff. Geoff F On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 17:33, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > I couldn?t agree more about the need to be tolerant of others as we don?t > want any bad feeling to arise between us on here. We should also be > circumspect and restrained in what we post, as we are doing it for readers > we don?t know, not just those with whom we can say what we like, knowing > how they?ll take it. > > > > It's good to read some of the stories of past exploits on OBs and filming, > like the one about covering the ascent of the Old Man of Hoy and what was > involved for the crew in accessing the site, as I remember seeing bits of > it on tv. The story below from Bernie below was good too as it takes us > into the moment when he handled a delicate situation diplomatically and > without causing embarrassment, as a true professional. > > > > We all have stories to tell of things we did well and those we didn?t, > even those of us who spent their working life almost entirely in studios > and it?s good if we can do so honestly. The great Frank Wilkins of whom I > was an admirer far more that the other, oft mentioned senior cameraman, > once said after a show, ?Well, we mucked that one up (spelling changed) > well and truly didn?t we? - which made him seem human just like the rest of > us and not a demi-god. > > > > Haste the day when we can meet again and share stories face to face - and > I look forward hopefully to meeting some of you more prolific writers and > hearing your tales in person, > > > > *Geoff* > > > > *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Bernard > Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 23 March 2021 16:11 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] List conduct > > > > No - actually I tend to agree. I don't mind at all if people want to > talk dirty about obscure technology, or about white balancing on panties. > What I don't like is people being unkind on the list, and attacking other > members. And I do have the right of veto, and have exercised it before. > > Once upon a time, I was producer/cameraman on a fashion thing somewhere in > London. Basically I was looking after a junior director. We went to Janet > Reger's and recorded various underwear, then on to some place that did tops > of various sorts. I mostly operated the camera, gave it to my trainee some > of the time, and otherwise gave directorial advice. We got to a plain > jumper, and the model said "That won't fit me, it's too big". I looked > around, and our researcher, who had set things up, looked the right size, > so I suggested she wore the top - "We won't see your face, just the > jumper". So off she went and got changed, cam back and sat down. It has to > be said that a plain jumper isn't terribly gripping visually, but there was > another problem. After a while, I could do no more - "I'm sorry, but all > can see is nipples". They were rather prominent. "Oh, what shall I do?" > "If you go off to the loo and stuff toilet paper down your bra, that will > probably work" And it did. > > I haven't told that story here before and I won't again. > > B > > > On 23/03/2021 15:22, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > Personally I would rather read Pat's usually entertaining stories than > endless technical and supremely boring diatribes about radio mics and the > like. I have tried to be tolerant, but lately this forum has become a > sound technical treatise. But then, I was only a thicko cameraman! Leave > the guy alone. > > He tells it like it was before the insidious PC brigade rose to power > and stifled much of free speech. Nick Ware and co don't bother having a > go at me because I shall ignore your comments anyway! I expect. Bernie > will boot me out of this group now, but someone had to stick his neck out > on Pat's behalf. > > Geoff F > > > > > > Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 14:27, David Denness via Tech1 > wrote: > > I could not agree more! > I very quickly get fed up with his BS stories of his exploits around > females > of the species, and his fertile imagination of how many film shoots he has > saved from disaster! > A better place for those would be a cinematographers forum, not BBC Techs > which he left many years ago > Dave D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1 > Sent: 23 March 2021 12:42 > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics > > Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! > > I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. > > I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other political > views to his pwn and this subject came up. > > Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see how long > it > would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing on the > Producers knickers. > > 20 minutes! > > John V > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 23 15:00:15 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:00:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] List conduct Message-ID: ? ?Firstly, let me remind you that I started with ?I don?t mean this unkindly...? and you may notice that I carefully didn?t actually accuse anyone of anything. If you want to read more into it than that, that?s fine by me. Bernie, we all have nipples - nothing to feel awkward about there, but story nicely told! I read it twice in case you never tell it again. You (all) might be surprised at the background support I?ve had, except that you won?t be because you?ll never know. More on Thursday or more likely Friday - I?m busy tomorrow, and then have two cremations to organise on Thursday. Be nice, folks, I know that this is something that Pat and I would laugh off over a glass of vino, except that that?s not easy at the mo. for what it?s worth, radiomics bore me too, and if there was one thing in the World that I could un-invent, that would be it! I?m tempted to put the jet engine above that, but Frank Whittle?s son is a friend of mine...... Cheers all, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Mar 2021, at 16:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? No - actually I tend to agree. I don't mind at all if people want to talk dirty about obscure technology, or about white balancing on panties. What I don't like is people being unkind on the list, and attacking other members. And I do have the right of veto, and have exercised it before. Once upon a time, I was producer/cameraman on a fashion thing somewhere in London. Basically I was looking after a junior director. We went to Janet Reger's and recorded various underwear, then on to some place that did tops of various sorts. I mostly operated the camera, gave it to my trainee some of the time, and otherwise gave directorial advice. We got to a plain jumper, and the model said "That won't fit me, it's too big". I looked around, and our researcher, who had set things up, looked the right size, so I suggested she wore the top - "We won't see your face, just the jumper". So off she went and got changed, cam back and sat down. It has to be said that a plain jumper isn't terribly gripping visually, but there was another problem. After a while, I could do no more - "I'm sorry, but all can see is nipples". They were rather prominent. "Oh, what shall I do?" "If you go off to the loo and stuff toilet paper down your bra, that will probably work" And it did. I haven't told that story here before and I won't again. B On 23/03/2021 15:22, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: Personally I would rather read Pat's usually entertaining stories than endless technical and supremely boring diatribes about radio mics and the like. I have tried to be tolerant, but lately this forum has become a sound technical treatise. But then, I was only a thicko cameraman! Leave the guy alone. He tells it like it was before the insidious PC brigade rose to power and stifled much of free speech. Nick Ware and co don't bother having a go at me because I shall ignore your comments anyway! I expect. Bernie will boot me out of this group now, but someone had to stick his neck out on Pat's behalf. Geoff F Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 14:27, David Denness via Tech1 > wrote: I could not agree more! I very quickly get fed up with his BS stories of his exploits around females of the species, and his fertile imagination of how many film shoots he has saved from disaster! A better place for those would be a cinematographers forum, not BBC Techs which he left many years ago Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1 Sent: 23 March 2021 12:42 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics Nick, you are quite right calling Pat out! I think we have heard his salacious stories many times. I was having a private exchange about his intolerance of other political views to his pwn and this subject came up. Said I would post something innocuous about wine balance and see how long it would take for him to tell his story again about white balancing on the Producers knickers. 20 minutes! John V -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Tue Mar 23 15:47:36 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:47:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: <6DBC9D38-0A3D-4BE1-85EB-588919B61F9F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Noswaith Dda John, Well, heck, blow and spit, I thought we'd been reliably informed that we were first! Probably the same as all who were rescued from around Snowdonia when Prince William was based at Valley were told that he was piioting the helicopter they were on. And yes, we were assigned 'help' with tracking the peds, but it was totally impractical with our normal way of working, and we ended up doing it ourselves. I felt sorry for those who were supposed to assist as they simply ended up cable bashing, although that could often be a big help, and is one of the jobs that has been greatly under-appreciated/underestimated in the history of studio operations. Good to know you're still rattling around the valleys, running cafes and swilling ice cream. Another one of the usual suspects I haven't heard mentioned for yonks, is Paul Sampson, is he still around? TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 22 March 2021 22:35, John Cavaciuti wrote: > Hi Tony, > > Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat you by a week. > > We, Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph Cartier in TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. > I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well. Large Marconi mark VII cameras, a mole crane, > peds with large steering wheels and the provision of extra floor staff to help with tracking. > > Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves. > > Cheers, > > John. Cav. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 23 16:07:13 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:07:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the same vein as the number of people told they were rescued by Prince William?s helicopter, I?m intrigued to know just how big the Cavern Club in Liverpool was. There doesn?t seem to be any Liverpudlians of ?our age? who didn?t see The Beatles perform there before they became famous. Similarly, the number of people who claim their grandfather drove the Flying Scotsman would probably reach all the way from London to Scotland. Getting back to the actual topic of this thread. That first studio colour drama .... did they use radio mics? Alan Taylor > On 23 Mar 2021, at 20:48, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Noswaith Dda John, > > Well, heck, blow and spit, I thought we'd been reliably informed that we were first! Probably the same as all who were rescued from around Snowdonia when Prince William was based at Valley were told that he was piioting the helicopter they were on. > > And yes, we were assigned 'help' with tracking the peds, but it was totally impractical with our normal way of working, and we ended up doing it ourselves. I felt sorry for those who were supposed to assist as they simply ended up cable bashing, although that could often be a big help, and is one of the jobs that has been greatly under-appreciated/underestimated in the history of studio operations. > > Good to know you're still rattling around the valleys, running cafes and swilling ice cream. Another one of the usual suspects I haven't heard mentioned for yonks, is Paul Sampson, is he still around? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Monday, 22 March 2021 22:35, John Cavaciuti wrote: >> >> Hi Tony, >> >> Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat you by a week. >> >> We, Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph Cartier in TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. >> I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well. Large Marconi mark VII cameras, a mole crane, >> peds with large steering wheels and the provision of extra floor staff to help with tracking. >> >> Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves. >> >> Cheers, >> >> John. Cav. >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 23 16:12:49 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:12:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners Message-ID: <3131ed02-0f6e-6146-0127-ff950429a9f5@btinternet.com> My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog'? cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! Cheers, Dave. From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 16:48:51 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 21:48:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74d99f29-df4c-5cb9-522e-615dd01cecb5@gmail.com> Highly unlikely!? That's what boom operators were for. B On 23/03/2021 21:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > That first studio colour drama .... did they use radio mics? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Tue Mar 23 17:06:20 2021 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:06:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners In-Reply-To: <3131ed02-0f6e-6146-0127-ff950429a9f5@btinternet.com> References: <3131ed02-0f6e-6146-0127-ff950429a9f5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Ah ......Dyson ! We have ?inherited? a small hand held Dyson - a great little thing: It works well and does what it?s supposed to for up to a maximum of 10 seconds before it finally cuts out! I was reluctant to skip it - I discovered that it had an inherent fault: As it sucks it distorts the internal filter out of shape and this results in the cut-out switch being activated because it thinks it needs emptying! Unless I missed something, the remedy was to turn the filter around! Sadly, very soon after the same fault occurred again as it sucked the filter out of shape - even with it fitted in the opposite direction! I suspect a significant number will have already ended up as landfill. Thanks again for another one of your ?inventions? Sir James! Steve > On 23 Mar 2021, at 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog' cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! Cheers, Dave. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 17:19:54 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:19:54 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners In-Reply-To: References: <3131ed02-0f6e-6146-0127-ff950429a9f5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <000901d72032$a767cb90$f63762b0$@gmail.com> We have had Dysons of all shapes and sizes for years. Never had a problem with mains or battery versions Rosalind, my wife, absolutely delighted with our current battery model Would not think of any other now, and we had a Miele previously! -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Steve Edwards via Tech1 Sent: 23 March 2021 22:06 To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners Ah ......Dyson ! We have ?inherited? a small hand held Dyson - a great little thing: It works well and does what it?s supposed to for up to a maximum of 10 seconds before it finally cuts out! I was reluctant to skip it - I discovered that it had an inherent fault: As it sucks it distorts the internal filter out of shape and this results in the cut-out switch being activated because it thinks it needs emptying! Unless I missed something, the remedy was to turn the filter around! Sadly, very soon after the same fault occurred again as it sucked the filter out of shape - even with it fitted in the opposite direction! I suspect a significant number will have already ended up as landfill. Thanks again for another one of your ?inventions? Sir James! Steve > On 23 Mar 2021, at 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog' cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! Cheers, Dave. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 23 17:52:33 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:52:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners In-Reply-To: <000901d72032$a767cb90$f63762b0$@gmail.com> References: <3131ed02-0f6e-6146-0127-ff950429a9f5@btinternet.com> <000901d72032$a767cb90$f63762b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F50252A-87C1-4BB2-A75F-C556DFFB1375@mac.com> We?ve had a mains powered Dyson and a battery hand-held for at least fifteen years, I reckon, and we?ve been entirely happy with both. I heard fairly early on that Dysons tended to end up in the dump after quite a short time, but some operatives were making a nice little sideline by cleaning the filters thoroughly and selling them on. We?ve scrupulously washed the filters for both of ours at fairly regular intervals and always ensure that they are bone dry before reinserting them. Now they?ll probably give up the ghost next week. Mike G > . . > On 23 Mar 2021, at 22:19, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > We have had Dysons of all shapes and sizes for years. > Never had a problem with mains or battery versions > Rosalind, my wife, absolutely delighted with our current battery model > Would not think of any other now, and we had a Miele previously! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Steve Edwards via Tech1 > Sent: 23 March 2021 22:06 > To: dave.mdv > Cc: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners > > Ah ......Dyson ! > > We have ?inherited? a small hand held Dyson - a great little thing: It works well and does what it?s supposed to for up to a maximum of 10 seconds before it finally cuts out! > > I was reluctant to skip it - I discovered that it had an inherent fault: As it sucks it distorts the internal filter out of shape and this results in the cut-out switch being activated because it thinks it needs emptying! > > Unless I missed something, the remedy was to turn the filter around! > Sadly, very soon after the same fault occurred again as it sucked the filter out of shape - even with it fitted in the opposite direction! > > I suspect a significant number will have already ended up as landfill. > > Thanks again for another one of your ?inventions? Sir James! > > Steve > > > >> On 23 Mar 2021, at 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog' cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! Cheers, Dave. >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From tuckergarth at me.com Tue Mar 23 18:26:58 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:26:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ped work Message-ID: Re:- I always saw ped work as a stand alone job - taught by the great Pete Ware and initially Mike Harrison on Crew 4. Pete Ware was the best ped man I ever saw, easily as good, if not better, than Jim but without the arrogance and bullsh. Geoff F I wasn?t fortunate enough to work alongside Pete but I know many cameramen rated him extremely highly. I did work with Jim, who had his moments, but I don?t think we should forget Frank Wilkins in this type of discussion, or, having watched Jonathan Miller?s ?Lear? recently, Ron Green. Garth From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Wed Mar 24 01:44:40 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:44:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners In-Reply-To: <000901d72032$a767cb90$f63762b0$@gmail.com> References: <000901d72032$a767cb90$f63762b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <213E65D6-CAC1-4795-9B3A-8BBCADB2E43A@zero51.force9.co.uk> We have had our V8 Dyson for about four or five years now, but there was a time when it seemed to have the apparently terminal issue of the pulsing cut-out. Fortunately this coincided with there being a regular specialised Dyson salesman in PC World and I challenged him on this problem. ?Its the narrow conical filter with the round blue cap down the middle, pull it out and wash it out? I did better than that by using an airline to blow it out which is of course a bit messy and not in most people?s arsenal of tools, but it fixed it and that was three years back. The great thing about them is the handyness of just grabbing the machine for quick clean ups. We have a nearly three year old girl in our child minding bubble who is responsible for most of these incidents but she immediately goes for the Dyson, of her own volition, wielding it with considerable expertise. Not only that but she can hoover under the table whilst barely stooping down. Peter Fox On 23 Mar 2021, at 22:20, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: ?We have had Dysons of all shapes and sizes for years. Never had a problem with mains or battery versions Rosalind, my wife, absolutely delighted with our current battery model Would not think of any other now, and we had a Miele previously! -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Steve Edwards via Tech1 Sent: 23 March 2021 22:06 To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners Ah ......Dyson ! We have ?inherited? a small hand held Dyson - a great little thing: It works well and does what it?s supposed to for up to a maximum of 10 seconds before it finally cuts out! I was reluctant to skip it - I discovered that it had an inherent fault: As it sucks it distorts the internal filter out of shape and this results in the cut-out switch being activated because it thinks it needs emptying! Unless I missed something, the remedy was to turn the filter around! Sadly, very soon after the same fault occurred again as it sucked the filter out of shape - even with it fitted in the opposite direction! I suspect a significant number will have already ended up as landfill. Thanks again for another one of your ?inventions? Sir James! Steve > On 23 Mar 2021, at 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog' cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! Cheers, Dave. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 02:15:21 2021 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Solar powered water pump. References: <760405351.6028155.1616570121117.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <760405351.6028155.1616570121117@mail.yahoo.com> Lads,? We're thinking of building a small waterfall in our garden run by a solar powered pump.?Have any of you had any experience of these at all?Any recommendations? All the best,? Gary C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Mar 24 03:32:52 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:32:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Solar powered water pump. In-Reply-To: <760405351.6028155.1616570121117@mail.yahoo.com> References: <760405351.6028155.1616570121117.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <760405351.6028155.1616570121117@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96fce525-b3bb-659a-5d24-39461a12bb4f@imixmics.co.uk> I've no experience of solar power, but I've been through a few water pumps. In about 15 years I went through 3 different pumps. They always got clogged with rubbish after not many months or even weeks & had to be regularly cleaned - a tedious job involving shifting loads of stones! About 6 years ago I gave up, so no fountain - until 2 years ago when I bought a new pump: a Lotus Maximus Evo 2500. That's been running ever since! It's set to turn off at night & when the temperature gets down to freezing, but no sign of any clogging: it just keeps going. I assume solar power means very low power so I guess it could clog easily without the power to force rubbish through. Make sure you have it set up so it's easy to get to the water inlet for cleaning & clearing. I tried all sorts of inlet filters - some supposedly self-cleaning, but they always clogged up. My current pump has a design that doesn't seem to need any sort of extra filter. Good luck. John Nottage On 24/03/2021 07:15, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > Lads, > ? We're thinking of building a small waterfall in our garden run by a > solar powered pump. > ?Have any of you had any experience of these at all? > Any recommendations? > > All the best, > ? Gary C > From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 24 04:30:16 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:30:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Solar powered water pump. In-Reply-To: <760405351.6028155.1616570121117@mail.yahoo.com> References: <760405351.6028155.1616570121117@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <451C6930-7B6A-446F-ABE4-2BB1607BD67B@me.com> I had exactly the same thought a few years ago. Having built a few water features in the past, I realised that what we were envisioning was a cascade of water rather than a fountain. When I started working out how powerful it would need to be to lift that number of litres per hour, it needed more power than was practical for the solar power panel I was considering. Moden solar panels might offer a workable solution, it depends on your needs, budget and available space. I ended up running mains power to the pond. I agree with John with regards to filters. The submersible pump I used was quite actually quite small, but fitted inside a pretty big, double filter arrangement. Cleaning the filter was still needed every few months, so make sure that access to the pump / filters is easy. Alan Taylor > On 24 Mar 2021, at 07:15, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Lads, > We're thinking of building a small waterfall in our garden run by a solar powered pump. > Have any of you had any experience of these at all? > Any recommendations? > > All the best, > Gary C > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Wed Mar 24 04:32:03 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:32:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ped work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ped-tracking had an early exponent in Stuart Burge, Producer of John Arden's 'Soldier, Soldier' live from Riverside 1 on 16 Feb. 1960. Tasked to track Malcolm Martin's Camera 3 on a Vinten ped, memory has it that Mo Fleisher was on another tracked ped, maybe steered by Gordon Blockley. What sticks in the mind was that as a crew we didn't respect Burge's requirements at all, yet 'Soldier, Soldier' went on to win an Itala Prize.? That implies a telerecording, so where is that now? Another demanding Producer who rarely won respect on the floor was Michael Leeston-Smith, although he too won an Itala Prize with a drama I was on, which must have been early-60s. Do others have experiences to re-kindle of productions that hit the spot for the viewer but not for us? Hugh On 23-Mar-21 11:26 PM, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > Re:- > > I always saw ped work as a stand alone job - taught by the great Pete Ware and initially Mike Harrison on Crew 4. Pete Ware was the best ped man I ever saw, easily as good, if not better, than Jim but without the arrogance and bullsh. > Geoff F > > I wasn?t fortunate enough to work alongside Pete but I know many cameramen rated him extremely highly. 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If anyone is interested, the scale is still very much on test, sitting on a garden table, and the webpage is also a prototype - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/hives/result4.php B On 24/03/2021 07:15, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > Lads, > ? We're thinking of building a small waterfall in our garden run by a > solar powered pump. > ?Have any of you had any experience of these at all? > Any recommendations? > > All the best, > ? Gary C > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Mar 24 04:55:05 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:55:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners In-Reply-To: <213E65D6-CAC1-4795-9B3A-8BBCADB2E43A@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <213E65D6-CAC1-4795-9B3A-8BBCADB2E43A@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <94E12972-D771-4950-92FF-C2E7DD46D776@me.com> Not being Dyson fans at all, we like G-tech stuff. No, not the elegant hard drive people, but the ones who make battery powered vacuums and garden stuff. Very pleased with whatever we've had from them. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 24 Mar 2021, at 06:45, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We have had our V8 Dyson for about four or five years now, but there was a time when it seemed to have the apparently terminal issue of the pulsing cut-out. Fortunately this coincided with there being a regular specialised Dyson salesman in PC World and I challenged him on this problem. ?Its the narrow conical filter with the round blue cap down the middle, pull it out and wash it out? I did better than that by using an airline to blow it out which is of course a bit messy and not in most people?s arsenal of tools, but it fixed it and that was three years back. > The great thing about them is the handyness of just grabbing the machine for quick clean ups. We have a nearly three year old girl in our child minding bubble who is responsible for most of these incidents but she immediately goes for the Dyson, of her own volition, wielding it with considerable expertise. Not only that but she can hoover under the table whilst barely stooping down. > > Peter Fox > > On 23 Mar 2021, at 22:20, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We have had Dysons of all shapes and sizes for years. > Never had a problem with mains or battery versions > Rosalind, my wife, absolutely delighted with our current battery model > Would not think of any other now, and we had a Miele previously! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Steve Edwards via Tech1 > Sent: 23 March 2021 22:06 > To: dave.mdv > Cc: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners > > Ah ......Dyson ! > > We have ?inherited? a small hand held Dyson - a great little thing: It works well and does what it?s supposed to for up to a maximum of 10 seconds before it finally cuts out! > > I was reluctant to skip it - I discovered that it had an inherent fault: As it sucks it distorts the internal filter out of shape and this results in the cut-out switch being activated because it thinks it needs emptying! > > Unless I missed something, the remedy was to turn the filter around! > Sadly, very soon after the same fault occurred again as it sucked the filter out of shape - even with it fitted in the opposite direction! > > I suspect a significant number will have already ended up as landfill. > > Thanks again for another one of your ?inventions? Sir James! > > Steve > > > >> On 23 Mar 2021, at 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog' cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! Cheers, Dave. >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Wed Mar 24 05:54:47 2021 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:54:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pedwork Message-ID: <26D1357E-66DD-4F9B-9CD1-E363F30908A9@vincent68.plus.com> My role model was Geoff Clark. Just quietly got on with it with some subtle little moves. And the one we could turn to when Jim gave us a bollocking John V Sent from my iPad From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Mar 24 05:55:42 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:55:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Solar powered water pump. In-Reply-To: <451C6930-7B6A-446F-ABE4-2BB1607BD67B@me.com> Message-ID: I haven't touched my pump for 2 years now and it's still going strong - no filter cleaning needed.?John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 24/03/2021 09:30 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Solar powered water pump. I had exactly the same thought a few years ago. ?Having built a few water features in the past, I realised that what we were envisioning was a cascade of water rather than a fountain. ?When I started working out how powerful it would need to be to lift that number of litres per hour, it needed more power than was practical for the solar power panel I was considering. Moden solar panels might offer a workable solution, it depends on your needs, budget and available space.I ended up running mains power to the pond. ?I agree with John with regards to filters. ?The submersible pump I used was quite actually quite small, but fitted inside a pretty big, double filter arrangement. ?Cleaning the filter was still needed every few months, so make sure that access to the pump / filters is easy.Alan TaylorOn 24 Mar 2021, at 07:15, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote:?Lads,? We're thinking of building a small waterfall in our garden run by a solar powered pump.?Have any of you had any experience of these at all?Any recommendations?All the best,? Gary C-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Mar 24 06:14:46 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:14:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pedwork In-Reply-To: <26D1357E-66DD-4F9B-9CD1-E363F30908A9@vincent68.plus.com> References: <26D1357E-66DD-4F9B-9CD1-E363F30908A9@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: I guess many of you will find, as I do, that a name pops up you've not had occasion to think about for donkey's years and stirs one particular memory or another. In Geoff's case it's simply that he was a really nice unassuming chap and one of the camaramen who was helpful and patient if you had a problem on the boom. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: John Vincent via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 10:54 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Pedwork My role model was Geoff Clark. Just quietly got on with it with some subtle little moves. And the one we could turn to when Jim gave us a bollocking John V Sent from my iPad -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Wed Mar 24 06:24:50 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:24:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ped work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2103e3ad-7038-85a7-20e9-f9b0217da850@btinternet.com> Ooops!? It was the Prix _Italia_, Itala being an ancient Fiat. Hugh On 24-Mar-21 9:32 AM, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Ped-tracking had an early exponent in Stuart Burge, Producer of John > Arden's 'Soldier, Soldier' live from Riverside 1 on 16 Feb. 1960. > Tasked to track Malcolm Martin's Camera 3 on a Vinten ped, memory has > it that Mo Fleisher was on another tracked ped, maybe steered by > Gordon Blockley. What sticks in the mind was that as a crew we didn't > respect Burge's requirements at all, yet 'Soldier, Soldier' went on to > win an Itala Prize.? That implies a telerecording, so where is that now? > > Another demanding Producer who rarely won respect on the floor was > Michael Leeston-Smith, although he too won an Itala Prize with a drama > I was on, which must have been early-60s. Do others have experiences > to re-kindle of productions that hit the spot for the viewer but not > for us? > > Hugh > > On 23-Mar-21 11:26 PM, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: >> Re:- >> >> I always saw ped work as a stand alone job - taught by the great Pete Ware and initially Mike Harrison on Crew 4. Pete Ware was the best ped man I ever saw, easily as good, if not better, than Jim but without the arrogance and bullsh. >> Geoff F >> >> I wasn?t fortunate enough to work alongside Pete but I know many cameramen rated him extremely highly. I did work with Jim, who had his moments, but I don?t think we should forget Frank Wilkins in this type of discussion, or, having watched Jonathan Miller?s ?Lear? recently, Ron Green. Garth >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 06:45:28 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:45:28 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ped work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?Soldier, Soldier? still exists in the Archive. Not sure about the M L-S play. Could it be ?Pagliacci? in 1960? That?s missing, inevitably. From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 9:32 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ped work Ped-tracking had an early exponent in Stuart Burge, Producer of John Arden's 'Soldier, Soldier' live from Riverside 1 on 16 Feb. 1960. Tasked to track Malcolm Martin's Camera 3 on a Vinten ped, memory has it that Mo Fleisher was on another tracked ped, maybe steered by Gordon Blockley. What sticks in the mind was that as a crew we didn't respect Burge's requirements at all, yet 'Soldier, Soldier' went on to win an Itala Prize. That implies a telerecording, so where is that now? Another demanding Producer who rarely won respect on the floor was Michael Leeston-Smith, although he too won an Itala Prize with a drama I was on, which must have been early-60s. Do others have experiences to re-kindle of productions that hit the spot for the viewer but not for us? Hugh On 23-Mar-21 11:26 PM, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: Re:- I always saw ped work as a stand alone job - taught by the great Pete Ware and initially Mike Harrison on Crew 4. Pete Ware was the best ped man I ever saw, easily as good, if not better, than Jim but without the arrogance and bullsh. Geoff F I wasn?t fortunate enough to work alongside Pete but I know many cameramen rated him extremely highly. I did work with Jim, who had his moments, but I don?t think we should forget Frank Wilkins in this type of discussion, or, having watched Jonathan Miller?s ?Lear? recently, Ron Green. Garth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Wed Mar 24 07:16:56 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:16:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pedwork Message-ID: <1954D047-A630-4589-AE16-599CE4DBB69D@me.com> You got there before me John. I woke up this morning knowing I ought to add Geoff to those with out of the ordinary ped skills. In 1964, on ?In Camera?, a Philip Saville production, starring Harold Pinter, Geoff had a 360 degree track/crab around a circular table at some pace finally zooming into a MCU of an actor (possibly Pinter himself) at the far end of the set through a Reg Butler Sculpture. Although a lowly Dolly Op at the time it took my breath away, and it lives with me still. Garth P.S. And the zoom wasn?t internal to the camera but mounted on the front like a huge counter weight. From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 08:32:28 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:32:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pedwork In-Reply-To: <1954D047-A630-4589-AE16-599CE4DBB69D@me.com> References: <1954D047-A630-4589-AE16-599CE4DBB69D@me.com> Message-ID: Somewhere here I have In Camera. I might be able to export that bit B On Wed, 24 Mar 2021, 12:17 Garth Tucker via Tech1, wrote: > You got there before me John. > > I woke up this morning knowing I ought to add Geoff to those with out of > the ordinary ped skills. > > In 1964, on ?In Camera?, a Philip Saville production, starring Harold > Pinter, Geoff had a 360 degree track/crab around a circular table at some > pace finally zooming into a MCU of an actor (possibly Pinter himself) at > the far end of the set through a Reg Butler Sculpture. Although a lowly > Dolly Op at the time it took my breath away, and it lives with me still. > > Garth > > P.S. And the zoom wasn?t internal to the camera but mounted on the front > like a huge counter weight. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Wed Mar 24 10:10:07 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:10:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Geoff and In Camera Message-ID: <4CB463BF-A773-4BEE-B311-BE9B772BA95A@me.com> That would be great Bernie. Garth From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Mar 24 10:49:34 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:49:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Zooming audio In-Reply-To: <590baaa510davesound@btinternet.com> References: <590baaa510davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <59124abdd5davesound@btinternet.com> Just an update. I don't want to use a headset. Camera etc mics tend to pick up too much room acoustics and or background noises. I do have a couple of personal mics but the cables are cut to radio mic lengths. USB mics seem impossible to EQ. And personal mics generally sound better when EQ'd to the individual voice. I have a small (and pretty cheap) Yamaha mixer which has three band EQ and phantom power. And a rudimentary compressor. Bought a Synco personal mic from Ebay at 30 quid. XLR connector and phantom powered - and with a nice long lead. Quick test says it sounds pretty good. My direct comparison being a Tram TR50 - admittedly rather old. I also got a thread adaptor to fit the webcam to a lazy arm mic stand. So that can go where I want it without obscuring the view of the screen. So after a year of Zoom meetings I've finally got things how I want them. Until I want to play with something better. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 12:00:26 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:00:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW From Maurice Fleisher Message-ID: <2d6e7e50-e572-e4fd-a8f7-04f180aed5e5@gmail.com> ForwardedMessage.eml Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ped work From: Maurice Fleisher Date: 24/03/2021, 13:45 To: Hugh Sheppard CC: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Hugh. You have a good memory although I don't recall ever giving permission to anyone outside of my immediate family to abbreviate my name to "Mo"....(shades of the 'Three Stooges' but at least Mo was the clever one)?. I am a bit confused over your references to 'tracking pedestals'. OK, so we are talking over 60 years ago but I can only remember the occasional use of a cable basher sometimes being responsible for ensuring a pedestal operator didn't run into or over his, or anyone else's, cable. I don't personally remember ever have my pedestal actually steered by someone else but then Tempus Frugit!. Tracking dollies, cranes Mole's, yes. Certainly Malcolm Martin and I were on the same crew at one time and I do recall Stuart Burge as a director. There was more than one director who didn't command the respect their title might have assumed. One foreign gentleman, whose name I can't now remember, actually threw a chair at the control room window in a fit of frustrated rage then of course there was Bryan Cowgill, sports director, on Saturday Grandstand who would go stratospheric in the gallery when things weren't going right. David Coleman, the then presenter, threatened to walk out in the middle of transmission if Cowgill didn't stop shouting at him. It was fun in those days before the 'suits' took over from the programme makers. I was struck by Garth Tucker's comment about Jim's attitude by which I assume he was referring to Jim Atkinson. I was great friends with Jim at one time but then he suddenly went all peculiar and became quite obnoxious. Ron Green was a legend and I recall greatly admiring his camera work on a very big and intricate production he did in Japan. I had left before then to pastures new. Happy days of yore! Maurice Fleisher =============================== On 24/03/2021 09:32, Hugh Sheppard wrote: > Ped-tracking had an early exponent in Stuart Burge, Producer of John > Arden's 'Soldier, Soldier' live from Riverside 1 on 16 Feb. 1960. > Tasked to track Malcolm Martin's Camera 3 on a Vinten ped, memory has > it that Mo Fleisher was on another tracked ped, maybe steered by > Gordon Blockley. What sticks in the mind was that as a crew we didn't > respect Burge's requirements at all, yet 'Soldier, Soldier' went on to > win an Itala Prize.? That implies a telerecording, so where is that now? > > Another demanding Producer who rarely won respect on the floor was > Michael Leeston-Smith, although he too won an Itala Prize with a drama > I was on, which must have been early-60s. Do others have experiences > to re-kindle of productions that hit the spot for the viewer but not > for us? > > Hugh > > On 23-Mar-21 11:26 PM, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: >> Re:- >> >> I always saw ped work as a stand alone job - taught by the great Pete Ware and initially Mike Harrison on Crew 4. Pete Ware was the best ped man I ever saw, easily as good, if not better, than Jim but without the arrogance and bullsh. >> Geoff F >> >> I wasn?t fortunate enough to work alongside Pete but I know many cameramen rated him extremely highly. I did work with Jim, who had his moments, but I don?t think we should forget Frank Wilkins in this type of discussion, or, having watched Jonathan Miller?s ?Lear? recently, Ron Green. Garth >> >> > -- *Maurice Fleisher* maurice12 at ntlworld.com High Wycombe, Bucks. UK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Mar 24 15:35:25 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:35:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've no idea who was on the sound side of the crew, but, radio mics? The sound crew would shoot you down in flames, absolutely not, it would have been Fisher booms, almost certainly with D25s,1967 remember. The only crew member I can recall was Geoff Feld as acting Snr. Cameraman, as I think Frank was no longer operational by then. And I'm still smarting from the revelation that I no longer hold the prize for the first drama in colour (you owe me a pint of Guinness John). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Tuesday, 23 March 2021 21:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > In the same vein as the number of people told they were rescued by Prince William?s helicopter, I?m intrigued to know just how big the Cavern Club in Liverpool was. There doesn?t seem to be any Liverpudlians of ?our age? who didn?t see The Beatles perform there before they became famous. > > Similarly, the number of people who claim their grandfather drove the Flying Scotsman would probably reach all the way from London to Scotland. > > Getting back to the actual topic of this thread. That first studio colour drama .... did they use radio mics? > > Alan Taylor > >> On 23 Mar 2021, at 20:48, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > >> ? >> Noswaith Dda John, >> >> Well, heck, blow and spit, I thought we'd been reliably informed that we were first! Probably the same as all who were rescued from around Snowdonia when Prince William was based at Valley were told that he was piioting the helicopter they were on. >> >> And yes, we were assigned 'help' with tracking the peds, but it was totally impractical with our normal way of working, and we ended up doing it ourselves. I felt sorry for those who were supposed to assist as they simply ended up cable bashing, although that could often be a big help, and is one of the jobs that has been greatly under-appreciated/underestimated in the history of studio operations. >> >> Good to know you're still rattling around the valleys, running cafes and swilling ice cream. Another one of the usual suspects I haven't heard mentioned for yonks, is Paul Sampson, is he still around? >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Monday, 22 March 2021 22:35, John Cavaciuti wrote: >> >>> Hi Tony, >>> >>> Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat you by a week. >>> >>> We, Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph Cartier in TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. >>> I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well. Large Marconi mark VII cameras, a mole crane, >>> peds with large steering wheels and the provision of extra floor staff to help with tracking. >>> >>> Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> John. Cav. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Mar 24 15:48:52 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:48:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E91223D-6A80-4366-B0CE-BE01A34A1FF3@icloud.com> Frank Wilkins was still operational in 1977 when I left. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Mar 2021, at 20:35, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > I've no idea who was on the sound side of the crew, but, radio mics? The sound crew would shoot you down in flames, absolutely not, it would have been Fisher booms, almost certainly with D25s,1967 remember. > > The only crew member I can recall was Geoff Feld as acting Snr. Cameraman, as I think Frank was no longer operational by then. And I'm still smarting from the revelation that I no longer hold the prize for the first drama in colour (you owe me a pint of Guinness John). > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Tuesday, 23 March 2021 21:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > >> In the same vein as the number of people told they were rescued by Prince William?s helicopter, I?m intrigued to know just how big the Cavern Club in Liverpool was. There doesn?t seem to be any Liverpudlians of ?our age? who didn?t see The Beatles perform there before they became famous. >> >> Similarly, the number of people who claim their grandfather drove the Flying Scotsman would probably reach all the way from London to Scotland. >> >> Getting back to the actual topic of this thread. That first studio colour drama .... did they use radio mics? >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 23 Mar 2021, at 20:48, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>> ? >>> Noswaith Dda John, >>> >>> Well, heck, blow and spit, I thought we'd been reliably informed that we were first! Probably the same as all who were rescued from around Snowdonia when Prince William was based at Valley were told that he was piioting the helicopter they were on. >>> >>> And yes, we were assigned 'help' with tracking the peds, but it was totally impractical with our normal way of working, and we ended up doing it ourselves. I felt sorry for those who were supposed to assist as they simply ended up cable bashing, although that could often be a big help, and is one of the jobs that has been greatly under-appreciated/underestimated in the history of studio operations. >>> >>> Good to know you're still rattling around the valleys, running cafes and swilling ice cream. Another one of the usual suspects I haven't heard mentioned for yonks, is Paul Sampson, is he still around? >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>> On Monday, 22 March 2021 22:35, John Cavaciuti wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Tony, >>>> >>>> Sorry to have to contradict a (honorary) fellow Welshman but we beat you by a week. >>>> >>>> We, Crew 5, did a Theatre 625, in colour, directed by Rudolph Cartier in TC6 on 7th & 8th of November. >>>> I don?t have the name of the play but remember it well. Large Marconi mark VII cameras, a mole crane, >>>> peds with large steering wheels and the provision of extra floor staff to help with tracking. >>>> >>>> Of course, being crew 5, Jim decided we didn?t need the extra help as we could manage quite well ourselves. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> John. Cav. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidpcarter at btinternet.com Wed Mar 24 15:58:33 2021 From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:58:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <581a50e6.4515.1786608253a.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> Hi Tony I don't want you to smart too much but I was on Frank's crew (2) when we did "The Last of the Mohicans" with Kenneth Ives as Hawkeye in 1971. I'm fairly certain Frank was still in charge at that time though not for much longer. Hwyl David ------ Original Message ------ From: "techtone via Tech1" To: Cc: "tech1" Sent: Wednesday, 24 Mar, 2021 At 20:35 Subject: Re: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) I've no idea who was on the sound side of the crew, but, radio mics? The sound crew would shoot you down in flames, absolutely not, it would have been Fisher booms, almost certainly with D25s,1967 remember. The only crew member I can recall was Geoff Feld as acting Snr. Cameraman, as I think Frank was no longer operational by then. And I'm still smarting from the revelation that I no longer hold the prize for the first drama in colour (you owe me a pint of Guinness John). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From phider at gmx.com Thu Mar 25 04:50:44 2021 From: phider at gmx.com (Peter Hider) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:50:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TRACKING PEDS In-Reply-To: <2d6e7e50-e572-e4fd-a8f7-04f180aed5e5@gmail.com> References: <2d6e7e50-e572-e4fd-a8f7-04f180aed5e5@gmail.com> Message-ID: My very first shot live on air was a crab across all the large Bank signs laid out across the studio floor on Blue Peter. Mike Bond was the Senior Cameraman and he had let those crew who had nothing to do have an early. To get as square to the signs as possible required being at the top of the stalk on the ped panned fully down and I had to stand on the foot. Mike just came over and tracked me. No fuss, he just did it. What a gent! I was lucky to work with all the great Senior Cameramen on all genres of programmes and I think that its splitting hairs to choose between them. Peter Hider > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 6:00 PM > From: "Bernard Newnham via Tech1" > To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" > Subject: [Tech1] FW From Maurice Fleisher > > ForwardedMessage.eml > > Subject: > Re: [Tech1] Ped work > From: > Maurice Fleisher > Date: > 24/03/2021, 13:45 > > To: > Hugh Sheppard > CC: > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > > Hugh. You have a good memory although I don't recall ever giving > permission to anyone outside of my immediate family to abbreviate my > name to "Mo"....(shades of the 'Three Stooges' but at least Mo was the > clever one)?. > > I am a bit confused over your references to 'tracking pedestals'. OK, so > we are talking over 60 years ago but I can only remember the occasional > use of a cable basher sometimes being responsible for ensuring a > pedestal operator didn't run into or over his, or anyone else's, cable. > I don't personally remember ever have my pedestal actually steered by > someone else but then Tempus Frugit!. Tracking dollies, cranes Mole's, yes. > > Certainly Malcolm Martin and I were on the same crew at one time and I > do recall Stuart Burge as a director. There was more than one director > who didn't command the respect their title might have assumed. One > foreign gentleman, whose name I can't now remember, actually threw a > chair at the control room window in a fit of frustrated rage then of > course there was Bryan Cowgill, sports director, on Saturday Grandstand > who would go stratospheric in the gallery when things weren't going > right. David Coleman, the then presenter, threatened to walk out in the > middle of transmission if Cowgill didn't stop shouting at him. It was > fun in those days before the 'suits' took over from the programme makers. > > I was struck by Garth Tucker's comment about Jim's attitude by which I > assume he was referring to Jim Atkinson. I was great friends with Jim at > one time but then he suddenly went all peculiar and became quite > obnoxious. Ron Green was a legend and I recall greatly admiring his > camera work on a very big and intricate production he did in Japan. I > had left before then to pastures new. > > Happy days of yore! > > Maurice Fleisher > > =============================== > > On 24/03/2021 09:32, Hugh Sheppard wrote: > > Ped-tracking had an early exponent in Stuart Burge, Producer of John > > Arden's 'Soldier, Soldier' live from Riverside 1 on 16 Feb. 1960. > > Tasked to track Malcolm Martin's Camera 3 on a Vinten ped, memory has > > it that Mo Fleisher was on another tracked ped, maybe steered by > > Gordon Blockley. What sticks in the mind was that as a crew we didn't > > respect Burge's requirements at all, yet 'Soldier, Soldier' went on to > > win an Itala Prize.? That implies a telerecording, so where is that now? > > > > Another demanding Producer who rarely won respect on the floor was > > Michael Leeston-Smith, although he too won an Itala Prize with a drama > > I was on, which must have been early-60s. Do others have experiences > > to re-kindle of productions that hit the spot for the viewer but not > > for us? > > > > Hugh > > > > On 23-Mar-21 11:26 PM, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > >> Re:- > >> > >> I always saw ped work as a stand alone job - taught by the great Pete Ware and initially Mike Harrison on Crew 4. Pete Ware was the best ped man I ever saw, easily as good, if not better, than Jim but without the arrogance and bullsh. > >> Geoff F > >> > >> I wasn?t fortunate enough to work alongside Pete but I know many cameramen rated him extremely highly. I did work with Jim, who had his moments, but I don?t think we should forget Frank Wilkins in this type of discussion, or, having watched Jonathan Miller?s ?Lear? recently, Ron Green. Garth > >> > >> > > > -- > *Maurice Fleisher* > maurice12 at ntlworld.com > High Wycombe, Bucks. UK > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From tonynuttall at me.com Thu Mar 25 05:29:16 2021 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:29:16 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Yorkshire Walks BBC 4 Message-ID: <07a2c009-9362-47f3-ae06-672dc6d9b852@me.com> Hi Folks, Interesting series on BBC 4 presented by ?Shanaz Gulzar at 1900 hrs. Very "NICE" as Bob Ross would say, if he was still about , NO Murder, Stabbings, Rapes, Bad Language etc etc. Shot on a Selfie Stick, shadow on presenter removed in Edit. Wide GVs from a drone; very taste full all round! Good sound from a personal mic. Full marks from me as a good Walking style programme. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000cd03 Preview:-?https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07wpl5y Tony N (in the wilds of Cumbria) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Mar 25 06:31:59 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:31:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TRACKING PEDS In-Reply-To: References: <2d6e7e50-e572-e4fd-a8f7-04f180aed5e5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <605c74b0.1c69fb81.2c351.42bd@mx.google.com> Does anyone remember a director ? Mervyn Pinfield ? who made great use of a 5 camera studio (TC3 or 4?) by having one camera per scene. I think it was a composite set, with rooms all linked together. Thus each set-up became an all-tracking/craning/panning/tilting etc developing shot. It must have taxed the skills of the camera crew. I think he even managed to scrounge use of the spare camera, probably for the end captions. I cannot remember the title of the play or the crew involved. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Hider via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2021 09:51 To: bernie833 at gmail.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] TRACKING PEDS My very first shot live on air was a crab across all the large Bank signs laid out across the studio floor on Blue Peter. Mike Bond was the Senior Cameraman and he had let those crew who had nothing to do have an early. To get as square to the signs as possible required being at the top of the stalk on the ped panned fully down and I had to stand on the foot. Mike just came over and tracked me. No fuss, he just did it. What a gent! I was lucky to work with all the great Senior Cameramen on all genres of programmes and I think that its splitting hairs to choose between them. 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Wide GVs from a drone; very taste full all round! > Good sound from a personal mic. Full marks from me as a good Walking style programme. > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000cd03 > > Preview:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07wpl5y > > Tony N (in the wilds of Cumbria) > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Mar 25 08:30:56 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 13:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TRACKING PEDS In-Reply-To: References: <2d6e7e50-e572-e4fd-a8f7-04f180aed5e5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <605c9091.1c69fb81.7af70.3477@mx.google.com> Mention has been made of Geoff Feld. When I joined, I was seconded to Crew Two (Frank Wilkins, and put with Geoff ? a really pleasant chap. Later, as related earlier), I received my bollocking from Jim Atkinson, well, a bit like getting a battle medal! Opted for sound, later! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Hider via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2021 09:51 To: bernie833 at gmail.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] TRACKING PEDS My very first shot live on air was a crab across all the large Bank signs laid out across the studio floor on Blue Peter. Mike Bond was the Senior Cameraman and he had let those crew who had nothing to do have an early. To get as square to the signs as possible required being at the top of the stalk on the ped panned fully down and I had to stand on the foot. Mike just came over and tracked me. No fuss, he just did it. What a gent! I was lucky to work with all the great Senior Cameramen on all genres of programmes and I think that its splitting hairs to choose between them. 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We were shooting a play ?A Dinner of Herbs? directed by Michael Darlow also a nice chap. Barry. On 25 Mar 2021, at 13:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Mention has been made of Geoff Feld. When I joined, I was seconded to Crew Two (Frank Wilkins, and put with Geoff ? a really pleasant chap. Later, as related earlier), I received my bollocking from Jim Atkinson, well, a bit like getting a battle medal! > Opted for sound, later! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Peter Hider via Tech1 > Sent: 25 March 2021 09:51 > To: bernie833 at gmail.com > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] TRACKING PEDS > > My very first shot live on air was a crab across all the large Bank signs laid out across the studio floor on Blue Peter. Mike Bond was the Senior Cameraman and he had let those crew who had nothing to do have an early. To get as square to the signs as possible required being at the top of the stalk on the ped panned fully down and I had to stand on the foot. Mike just came over and tracked me. No fuss, he just did it. What a gent! > > I was lucky to work with all the great Senior Cameramen on all genres of programmes and I think that its splitting hairs to choose between them. > > Peter Hider > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner Sent: 25 March 2021 16:18 To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TRACKING PEDS I worked a lot with Geoff and as you say a nice chap, seen here at the lowest point in his career??.the Dead Sea, Israel! We were shooting a play ?A Dinner of Herbs? directed by Michael Darlow also a nice chap. Barry. On 25 Mar 2021, at 13:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Mention has been made of Geoff Feld. When I joined, I was seconded to Crew Two (Frank Wilkins, and put with Geoff ? a really pleasant chap. Later, as related earlier), I received my bollocking from Jim Atkinson, well, a bit like getting a battle medal! Opted for sound, later! Pat ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ? From:?Peter Hider via Tech1 Sent:?25 March 2021 09:51 To:?bernie833 at gmail.com Cc:?tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject:?[Tech1] TRACKING PEDS ? My very first shot live on air? was a crab across all the large Bank signs laid out across the studio floor on Blue Peter. Mike Bond was the Senior Cameraman and he had let those crew who had nothing to do have an early. To get as square to the signs as possible required being at the top of the stalk on the ped panned fully down and I had to stand on the foot. Mike just came over and tracked me. No fuss, he just did it. What a gent! ? I was lucky to work with all the great Senior Cameramen on all genres of programmes and I think that its splitting hairs to choose between them. ? Peter Hider ? ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.? www.avast.com --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice neat tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve discussed this before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike crane on Blue Peter. It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed fashion on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t remember swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, though I could be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left could be Dudley Darby as it looks like his stance and if it is, I?m sure he?ll recognise himself if he sees it, Geoff -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Mar 25 15:49:11 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:49:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter In-Reply-To: <605cdb92.1c69fb81.9e69d.c496@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. Probably 1967 or 8.John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 25/03/2021 18:51 (GMT+00:00) To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [SPAM?] Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter As a sound man, Blue Peter could have been regarded as a simple programme. Not on your Nellie! Anything could be thrown at you! Mixing live, was a seat of the pants job and it kept one on one?s toe?s. But I did have Norman Greaves behind me to step in if I panicked and lost it! Great fun!(I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!)Pat??Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1Sent: 25 March 2021 15:41To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: [Tech1] Blue Peter?Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice neat tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve discussed this before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike crane on Blue Peter.It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed fashion on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t remember swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, though I could be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left could be Dudley Darby as it looks like his stance and if it is, I?m sure he?ll recognise himself if he sees it,?Geoff?? 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But I honestly have no recollection of Frank on these shoots, and that grieves me if indeed he was still in charge, as I always enjoyed working with him, his easy-going nature, and being able to quietly dig you out of holes when you'd dropped yourself in from a great height (who me? Did I really say that?). OK, Guinness on me, see you up in the club after the derig, TeaTeaFN - Hwyl Fawr - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Wednesday, 24 March 2021 20:58, davidpcarter wrote: > Hi Tony > > I don't want you to smart too much but I was on Frank's crew (2) when we did "The Last of the Mohicans" with Kenneth Ives as Hawkeye in 1971. I'm fairly certain Frank was still in charge at that time though not for much longer. > > Hwyl > > David > >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "techtone via Tech1" >> To: >> Cc: "tech1" >> Sent: Wednesday, 24 Mar, 2021 At 20:35 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] First colour drama (was Riverside - Colour - OGWT?) >> >> I've no idea who was on the sound side of the crew, but, radio mics? The sound crew would shoot you down in flames, absolutely not, it would have been Fisher booms, almost certainly with D25s,1967 remember. >> >> The only crew member I can recall was Geoff Feld as acting Snr. Cameraman, as I think Frank was no longer operational by then. And I'm still smarting from the revelation that I no longer hold the prize for the first drama in colour (you owe me a pint of Guinness John). >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Mar 25 16:05:30 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:05:30 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter In-Reply-To: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show. Noakes on the crane, Purves in the gallery. Just after TC1 had been refitted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM To: patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. Probably 1967 or 8. John Nottage Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 25/03/2021 18:51 (GMT+00:00) To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [SPAM?] Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter As a sound man, Blue Peter could have been regarded as a simple programme. Not on your Nellie! Anything could be thrown at you! Mixing live, was a seat of the pants job and it kept one on one?s toe?s. But I did have Norman Greaves behind me to step in if I panicked and lost it! Great fun! (I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice neat tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve discussed this before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike crane on Blue Peter. It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed fashion on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t remember swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, though I could be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left could be Dudley Darby as it looks like his stance and if it is, I?m sure he?ll recognise himself if he sees it, Geoff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Mar 25 16:07:05 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:07:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Geoff and In Camera In-Reply-To: References: <4CB463BF-A773-4BEE-B311-BE9B772BA95A@me.com> Message-ID: I'm sticking my head above the parapet again, but I was on crew 5 in TC1 on 'In Camera' directed by Philip Saville. I was swinging the mole with Paul Kay on the front. But every time Philip scripted a shot on the mole, Jim would step in (track in?) and say no, no, do it like this, and promptly do something similar on a wide angle on the ped. Philip was utterly bemused, and I suspect Jim was the only cameraman who ever overruled him with regards to shots. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Wednesday, 24 March 2021 22:25, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > My copy seems to be missing the last section but I found the whole thing here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v96qw83tw4 I haven't found the shot yet. > > B > > On 24/03/2021 15:10, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > >> That would be great Bernie. >> >> Garth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Mar 25 16:21:15 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:21:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I left TVC in 1969 so it was before then. I believe Blue Peter used to look round TC1 quite often...John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: David Brunt Date: 25/03/2021 21:05 (GMT+00:00) To: jpn , patheigham , geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show.? Noakes on the crane, Purves in the gallery.? Just after TC1 had been refitted. ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA ? ? From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM To: patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter ? I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. Probably 1967 or 8. ? John Nottage ? ? ? Sent from my Galaxy ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 25/03/2021 18:51 (GMT+00:00) To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [SPAM?] Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter ? As a sound man, Blue Peter could have been regarded as a simple programme. Not on your Nellie! Anything could be thrown at you! Mixing live, was a seat of the pants job and it kept one on one?s toe?s. But I did have Norman Greaves behind me to step in if I panicked and lost it! Great fun! (I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!) Pat ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1Sent: 25 March 2021 15:41To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: [Tech1] Blue Peter ? Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice neat tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve discussed this before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike crane on Blue Peter. It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed fashion on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t remember swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, though I could be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left could be Dudley Darby as it looks like his stance and if it is, I?m sure he?ll recognise himself if he sees it, ? Geoff ? ? 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I believe Blue Peter used to look round TC1 quite often... John Nottage Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: David Brunt Date: 25/03/2021 21:05 (GMT+00:00) To: jpn , patheigham , geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show. Noakes on the crane, Purves in the gallery. Just after TC1 had been refitted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM To: patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. Probably 1967 or 8. John Nottage Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 25/03/2021 18:51 (GMT+00:00) To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [SPAM?] Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter As a sound man, Blue Peter could have been regarded as a simple programme. Not on your Nellie! Anything could be thrown at you! Mixing live, was a seat of the pants job and it kept one on one?s toe?s. But I did have Norman Greaves behind me to step in if I panicked and lost it! Great fun! (I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice neat tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve discussed this before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike crane on Blue Peter. It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed fashion on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t remember swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, though I could be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left could be Dudley Darby as it looks like his stance and if it is, I?m sure he?ll recognise himself if he sees it, Geoff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Thu Mar 25 18:10:04 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:10:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Dave and John, I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I ask those of a 'sound background' something? I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 Blue Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio mixers, and the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV Theatre and TC1. I know that it went into TC1 when it was built and the earlier studios had the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get that generation of transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful Transatlantic crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! David Taylor On 25 Mar 2021, 21:05, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show. Noakes on the crane, >Purves in the gallery. Just after TC1 had been refitted. > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA > > >From: jpn via Tech1 >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM >To: patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter > >I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging >a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us >swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to >swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. Probably 1967 >or 8. > >John Nottage > > > >Sent from my Galaxy > > >-------- Original message -------- >From: patheigham via Tech1 >Date: 25/03/2021 18:51 (GMT+00:00) >To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >Subject: [SPAM?] Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter > >As a sound man, Blue Peter could have been regarded as a simple >programme. Not on your Nellie! Anything could be thrown at you! Mixing >live, was a seat of the pants job and it kept one on one?s toe?s. But I >did have Norman Greaves behind me to step in if I panicked and lost it! >Great fun! > >(I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!) > >Pat > > > > > >Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > >From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 >Sent: 25 March 2021 15:41 >To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter > > > >Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice neat >tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve discussed this >before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike crane on Blue >Peter. > >It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed fashion >on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t remember >swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, though I could >be wrong. 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Mar 25 18:54:27 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:54:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If you?ve not already come across this David you might find it interesting:- http://www.orbem.co.uk/outsidestds/camden.htm Dave Newbitt. From: David Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:10 PM To: David Brunt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 Dave and John, I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I ask those of a 'sound background' something? I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 Blue Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio mixers, and the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV Theatre and TC1. I know that it went into TC1 when it was built and the earlier studios had the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get that generation of transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful Transatlantic crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! David Taylor On 25 Mar 2021, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show. Noakes on the crane, Purves in the gallery. Just after TC1 had been refitted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM To: patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. 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On 25 Mar 2021, at 23:10, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Dave and John, > I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I ask those of a 'sound background' something? > I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 Blue Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio mixers, and the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV Theatre and TC1. I know that it went into TC1 when it was built and the earlier studios had the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get that generation of transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? > Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful Transatlantic crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! > David Taylor > > On 25 Mar 2021, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show. Noakes on the crane, Purves in the gallery. Just after TC1 had been refitted. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA > > > From: jpn via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM > To: patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter > > I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. Probably 1967 or 8. > > John Nottage > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: patheigham via Tech1 > Date: 25/03/2021 18:51 (GMT+00:00) > To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [SPAM?] Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter > > As a sound man, Blue Peter could have been regarded as a simple programme. Not on your Nellie! Anything could be thrown at you! Mixing live, was a seat of the pants job and it kept one on one?s toe?s. But I did have Norman Greaves behind me to step in if I panicked and lost it! Great fun! > > (I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!) > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 > Sent: 25 March 2021 15:41 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter > > > Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice neat tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve discussed this before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike crane on Blue Peter. > > It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed fashion on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t remember swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, though I could be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left could be Dudley Darby as it looks like his stance and if it is, I?m sure he?ll recognise himself if he sees it, > > > Geoff > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pye Desk GGH.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 532555 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Mar 25 19:41:11 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 00:41:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pye sound desks In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3c78deff-51e5-831d-8d06-154b2f60f05c@btinternet.com> Thanks, Dave,a very interesting article! Of course, I worked in TC1 many times with that desk as a Gram. Op. One was a Glenn Miller show with the British tribute orchestra, Syd Lawrence, which started on a shot through the control room window showing me looking just like Glenn Miller! My worst ever show in TC1 were two live 'Z-Cars' called 'Car to Car'. Written by a sadist, they involved two patrol cars continually talking to each other on their car radios. I had two Leevers-Rich tape machines running and switched between live to tape on their amps at the same time as playing disc sound effects on the RP2 gram desks! The same sadist wrote an episode about a block of flats where there were continuous sound effects of lifts arriving, dogs barking, and aeroplanes flying over etc.! All in 30 minutes, LIVE! Cheers, Dave. PS When TC1 was refurbished they threw the sound desk out of the window onto the studio floor and Joe Driver bought most of it! Shortly afterwards was the Neil Foster scandal and a worried Joe had to go to John Lightfoot to get clearance to keep his acquisition! On 25/03/2021 23:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > If you?ve not already come across this David you might find it > interesting:- http://www.orbem.co.uk/outsidestds/camden.htm > > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* David Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:10 PM > *To:* David Brunt > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 > Dave and John, > I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I ask > those of a 'sound background' something? > I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 > Blue Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio > mixers, and the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV > Theatre and TC1. I know that it went into TC1 when it was built and > the earlier studios had the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get > that generation of transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? > Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful > Transatlantic crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! > David Taylor > > On 25 Mar 2021, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 > wrote: > > That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show.? Noakes on the > crane, Purves in the gallery.? Just after TC1 had been refitted. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA > > *From:* jpn via Tech1 > *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM > *To:* patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter > I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was > swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there > were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), > as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control > room window. Probably 1967 or 8. > John Nottage > Sent from my Galaxy > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Mar 25 19:48:28 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 00:48:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: <9867DA1A-E685-4CE1-8D86-F441DF21F3A7@btinternet.com> References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <9867DA1A-E685-4CE1-8D86-F441DF21F3A7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8781a65e-043a-bb85-d645-b535577f9910@btinternet.com> Thanks, Barry, that picture brings back so many memories! 'Best of Both Worlds', 'Our World', Churchill's birthday program, 'Billy Budd', Fawlty Towers, and so on. Going up from Lime Grove on a Saturday afternoon to pre-rig for the Sunday show.? Cheers, Dave > Hi David, > This Pye Desk was moved from TVC to Golders Green Hippodrome in 1969 > whilst the TVT was being refurbished. When the TVT was finished it > went to Pebble Mill. > Barry. > > > > > On 25 Mar 2021, at 23:10, David Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Dave and John, >> I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I >> ask those of a 'sound background' something? >> I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 >> Blue Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio >> mixers, and the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV >> Theatre and TC1. I know that it went into TC1 when it was built and >> the earlier studios had the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get >> that generation of transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? >> Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful >> Transatlantic crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! >> David Taylor >> >> On 25 Mar 2021, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show.? Noakes on the >> crane, Purves in the gallery.? Just after TC1 had been refitted. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA >> >> *From:* jpn via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM >> *To:* patheigham ; >> geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter >> I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was >> swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there >> were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), >> as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control >> room window. Probably 1967 or 8. >> John Nottage >> Sent from my Galaxy >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: patheigham via Tech1 > > >> Date: 25/03/2021 18:51 (GMT+00:00) >> To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com , >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [SPAM?] Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter >> >> As a sound man, Blue Peter could have been regarded as a simple >> programme. Not on your Nellie! Anything could be thrown at you! >> Mixing live, was a seat of the pants job and it kept one on one?s >> toe?s. But I did have Norman Greaves behind me to step in if I >> panicked and lost it! Great fun! >> >> (I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!) >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows 10 >> >> >> *From: *geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 >> *Sent: *25 March 2021 15:41 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *[Tech1] Blue Peter >> >> >> Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice >> neat tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve >> discussed this before, I know), I came across this one of the >> Nike crane on Blue Peter. >> >> It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed >> fashion on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I >> can?t remember swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the >> front, though I could be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left >> could be Dudley Darby as it looks like his stance and if it is, >> I?m sure he?ll recognise himself if he sees it, >> >> >> *Geoff* >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Obviously before the 2 Nikes were returned to the Chapman Leonard in the States (As they were leased) (I agree it looks like Dudley hiding behind '2') Geoff, I guess you were on '1' and had gone to take the Photo. Paul On 25/03/2021 15:41, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice neat > tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve discussed this > before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike crane on Blue Peter. > > It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed fashion > on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t remember > swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, though I could > be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left could be Dudley Darby as it > looks like his stance and if it is, I?m sure he?ll recognise himself > if he sees it, > > *Geoff* > > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Fri Mar 26 04:19:21 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:19:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pye sound desks In-Reply-To: <3c78deff-51e5-831d-8d06-154b2f60f05c@btinternet.com> References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <3c78deff-51e5-831d-8d06-154b2f60f05c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The 'Block of Flats' Z-Cars was one of the live 50 minute episodes, directed by John (600-shots) McGrath. The set so-filled TC1 that a couple of cameras stayed at the rear of the block throughout, leaving most of the work to four of us at the front. Without checking iMDb etc. I'd guess a script by Troy Kennedy Martin or John Hopkins. "600-shots" came about as John McGrath squeezed that many into one episode; it may well have been this one. Hugh On 26-Mar-21 12:41 AM, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks, Dave,a very interesting article! Of course, I worked in TC1 > many times with that desk as a Gram. Op. One was a Glenn Miller show > with the British tribute orchestra, Syd Lawrence, which started on a > shot through the control room window showing me looking just like > Glenn Miller! My worst ever show in TC1 were two live 'Z-Cars' called > 'Car to Car'. Written by a sadist, they involved two patrol cars > continually talking to each other on their car radios. I had two > Leevers-Rich tape machines running and switched between live to tape > on their amps at the same time as playing disc sound effects on the > RP2 gram desks! The same sadist wrote an episode about a block of > flats where there were continuous sound effects of lifts arriving, > dogs barking, and aeroplanes flying over etc.! All in 30 minutes, > LIVE! Cheers, Dave. PS When TC1 was refurbished they threw the sound > desk out of the window onto the studio floor and Joe Driver bought > most of it! Shortly afterwards was the Neil Foster scandal and a > worried Joe had to go to John Lightfoot to get clearance to keep his? > acquisition! > > On 25/03/2021 23:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> If you?ve not already come across this David you might find it >> interesting:- http://www.orbem.co.uk/outsidestds/camden.htm >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> *From:* David Taylor via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:10 PM >> *To:* David Brunt >> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 >> Dave and John, >> I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I >> ask those of a 'sound background' something? >> I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 >> Blue Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio >> mixers, and the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV >> Theatre and TC1. I know that it went into TC1 when it was built and >> the earlier studios had the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get >> that generation of transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? >> Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful >> Transatlantic crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! >> David Taylor >> >> On 25 Mar 2021, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show.? Noakes on the >> crane, Purves in the gallery.? Just after TC1 had been refitted. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA >> >> *From:* jpn via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM >> *To:* patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter >> I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was >> swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there >> were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), >> as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control >> room window. 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Just in case this has troubled anyone else, here?s the one click solution: https://www.theverge.com/21591476/edge-chromium-browser-copy-and-paste-url-hyperlink-default-change-how-to and this is what you get if you don?t alter the default setting: How to disable Edge?s new URL copy and paste feature - The Verge Amusingly I also found one poor soul on line who had tried to engage with Microsoft?s wonderful help forum with the usual result ? after loads of exchanges and daft suggestions the poor guy gave up. I got involved with them once and just like the present case it descended into the farce of me telling them over and over again that they hadn?t read the question. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Without checking iMDb etc. I'd guess a script by Troy Kennedy Martin or John Hopkins. "600-shots" came about as John McGrath squeezed that many into one episode; it may well have been this one. Hugh On 26-Mar-21 12:41 AM, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Thanks, Dave,a very interesting article! Of course, I worked in TC1 many times with that desk as a Gram. Op. One was a Glenn Miller show with the British tribute orchestra, Syd Lawrence, which started on a shot through the control room window showing me looking just like Glenn Miller! My worst ever show in TC1 were two live 'Z-Cars' called 'Car to Car'. Written by a sadist, they involved two patrol cars continually talking to each other on their car radios. I had two Leevers-Rich tape machines running and switched between live to tape on their amps at the same time as playing disc sound effects on the RP2 gram desks! The same sadist wrote an episode about a block of flats where there were continuous sound effects of lifts arriving, dogs barking, and aeroplanes flying over etc.! All in 30 minutes, LIVE! Cheers, Dave. PS When TC1 was refurbished they threw the sound desk out of the window onto the studio floor and Joe Driver bought most of it! Shortly afterwards was the Neil Foster scandal and a worried Joe had to go to John Lightfoot to get clearance to keep his acquisition! On 25/03/2021 23:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: If you?ve not already come across this David you might find it interesting:- http://www.orbem.co.uk/outsidestds/camden.htm Dave Newbitt. From: David Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:10 PM To: David Brunt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 Dave and John, I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I ask those of a 'sound background' something? I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 Blue Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio mixers, and the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV Theatre and TC1. I know that it went into TC1 when it was built and the earlier studios had the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get that generation of transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful Transatlantic crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! David Taylor On 25 Mar 2021, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show. Noakes on the crane, Purves in the gallery. Just after TC1 had been refitted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM To: patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. Probably 1967 or 8. John Nottage Sent from my Galaxy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The big Pye's had those wonderful Pye Compressor/Limiters built in as well. They had a tendency to 'thump' I remember but are now highly sort after...currently a pair on the Reverb website for almost ?14k. Some great shows done in TC1 in the '60s of course, with Len Shorey, High Barker, Adrian Bishop-Laggett and Mike McCarthy at the controls (Who did I miss out...Dickie Chamberlain, I guess....anyone else?) By the way who's the 'Dave' mixing in that 1974 Blue Peter clip, and the Gram Op behind him at 06.37? Anyone remember how 'reverb' was produced at TVC when it open...EMT plates were in common use by then. Were then all in one place and patched as required? ATV were the other user for the big wrap around Pye desks and Elstree had a 34 Channel in each of the 4 studios They also had a Pye built sound truck for doing Sunday Night at The London Palladium. It had a 27 Channel main desk with two 12 Channel fully equipped ad-ons, making a 51 Channel desk. This must have been the biggest desk through the '60's....and in a 'mobile' as well. David T On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 23:54, David Newbitt wrote: > If you?ve not already come across this David you might find it > interesting:- http://www.orbem.co.uk/outsidestds/camden.htm > > Dave Newbitt. > > *From:* David Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:10 PM > *To:* David Brunt > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 > > Dave and John, > I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I ask > those of a 'sound background' something? > I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 Blue > Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio mixers, and > the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV Theatre and TC1. I > know that it went into TC1 when it was built and the earlier studios had > the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get that generation of > transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? > Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful Transatlantic > crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! > David Taylor > > On 25 Mar 2021, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show. Noakes on the crane, >> Purves in the gallery. Just after TC1 had been refitted. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA >> >> >> *From:* jpn via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM >> *To:* patheigham ; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter >> >> I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was swinging a >> crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there were 2 of us >> swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), as we were cued to >> swing John Noakes up to look in the control room window. 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You can do much the same job with a single chip these days. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Mar 26 09:10:38 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:10:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5913495afddavesound@btinternet.com> In article , David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I'm intrigued by them, because the also look like the first broadcast > desks to have 'RSA's' ie EQ built in the 'channel strips'...if I'm > correct in thinking that the BBC Type D's had RSA's added at the sides > of the main fader strips? IIRC, only some channels had RSAs. Some just plain mic amps. But you could cross patch if you wanted an RSA on a channel without. Think the Neves were the first with EQ on every channel at TC. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Mar 26 12:07:31 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:07:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <23869507-1a06-4dbc-b3f2-9a2da1b025f8@gmail.com> Hi all, On 26/03/2021 12:11, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Anyone remember how 'reverb' was produced at TVC when it open... IIRC, in 1963 in studios TC3 and possibly TC4 (and possibly in the other two open at the time (TC2 and TC5))? the reverb or echo unit was in the sound equipment room where all the amps and so on were kept - was it on the other side of the corridor - er viewing area - to the Sound Gallery?.? Sorry to the sound people - I spent the bare minimum of time on the sound side of things so bear with, bear with? ... The reverb or echo unit was a sheet of metal, mounted long side horizontal , short side vertical (so on its side)? and about 8 ft long and 4 ft high (Imperial in those days!!) .? At one end was mounted the moving bits of a loudspeaker, and at the other end was mounted the moving bits of a microphone.? The whole thing was mounted inside a wooden box about 9 inches wide.? I DID get a peek inside the box one day,? On the outside of the box - at the top, I think, there was a wheel 6 to 9 inches in diameter, mounted horizontally, which could be used to (query) dampen the oscillations of the metal sheet or (query) change the position of a fixed point along the length of the metal sheet so that the periodicity of the vibrations ( er er the effective length of the sheet ??)? was changed. Basically, your sound was fed in at one end, the metal plate vibrated and the vibrations were picked up at the other end by the "mic"- the size of the sheet basically determining the period before you got the "echo".? It was a bit "one echo fits all". Sorry for the imprecision, but I hope you've got the idea! The whole shebang was in a wooden case - I don't think it was chipboard, but was a pale-ish colour like a lot of office furniture. Best regards, keep safe Alec -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Mar 26 13:27:30 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:27:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: <23869507-1a06-4dbc-b3f2-9a2da1b025f8@gmail.com> References: <23869507-1a06-4dbc-b3f2-9a2da1b025f8@gmail.com> Message-ID: The wheel on top of the EMT140 was indeed a damper, bringing a damper almost as big as the plate itself, closer to the plate. [cid:EE368F36-427D-43BE-934B-876B815BB38E] And I thought you might like this pic of Paul Graydon at the TC6 Type D (?) desk. Note the Pye compressors. [cid:09466DF5-1621-4CA6-ABDC-5988E2302CF1] Do we know what became of Paul? I shared a flat on Talgarth Road with him for a couple of years, circa 1968-1970. Traffic at the front, Barons Court tube station (above ground) at the back. Freshwater Flats rent, my share, was ?32 per month inc gas, elec, etc. Very interesting times. Thereafter, Hanwell with Rick Gardner and Rex Palmer - even more interesting times. What naughty boys we were, in the days when you could be!! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Mar 2021, at 17:08, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi all, On 26/03/2021 12:11, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Anyone remember how 'reverb' was produced at TVC when it open... IIRC, in 1963 in studios TC3 and possibly TC4 (and possibly in the other two open at the time (TC2 and TC5)) the reverb or echo unit was in the sound equipment room where all the amps and so on were kept - was it on the other side of the corridor - er viewing area - to the Sound Gallery?. Sorry to the sound people - I spent the bare minimum of time on the sound side of things so bear with, bear with ... The reverb or echo unit was a sheet of metal, mounted long side horizontal , short side vertical (so on its side) and about 8 ft long and 4 ft high (Imperial in those days!!) . At one end was mounted the moving bits of a loudspeaker, and at the other end was mounted the moving bits of a microphone. The whole thing was mounted inside a wooden box about 9 inches wide. I DID get a peek inside the box one day, On the outside of the box - at the top, I think, there was a wheel 6 to 9 inches in diameter, mounted horizontally, which could be used to (query) dampen the oscillations of the metal sheet or (query) change the position of a fixed point along the length of the metal sheet so that the periodicity of the vibrations ( er er the effective length of the sheet ??) was changed. Basically, your sound was fed in at one end, the metal plate vibrated and the vibrations were picked up at the other end by the "mic"- the size of the sheet basically determining the period before you got the "echo". It was a bit "one echo fits all". Sorry for the imprecision, but I hope you've got the idea! The whole shebang was in a wooden case - I don't think it was chipboard, but was a pale-ish colour like a lot of office furniture. 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Peter Neill > On 26 Mar 2021, at 17:07, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > On 26/03/2021 12:11, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Anyone remember how 'reverb' was produced at TVC when it open... > > IIRC, in 1963 in studios TC3 and possibly TC4 (and possibly in the other two open at the time (TC2 and TC5)) the reverb or echo unit was in the sound equipment room where all the amps and so on were kept - was it on the other side of the corridor - er viewing area - to the Sound Gallery?. Sorry to the sound people - I spent the bare minimum of time on the sound side of things so bear with, bear with ... > > The reverb or echo unit was a sheet of metal, mounted long side horizontal , short side vertical (so on its side) and about 8 ft long and 4 ft high (Imperial in those days!!) . At one end was mounted the moving bits of a loudspeaker, and at the other end was mounted the moving bits of a microphone. The whole thing was mounted inside a wooden box about 9 inches wide. I DID get a peek inside the box one day, On the outside of the box - at the top, I think, there was a wheel 6 to 9 inches in diameter, mounted horizontally, which could be used to (query) dampen the oscillations of the metal sheet or (query) change the position of a fixed point along the length of the metal sheet so that the periodicity of the vibrations ( er er the effective length of the sheet ??) was changed. > > Basically, your sound was fed in at one end, the metal plate vibrated and the vibrations were picked up at the other end by the "mic"- the size of the sheet basically determining the period before you got the "echo". 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There's this picture of Brian Hiles at a BBC Type B desk: [image: 1966-foley_hiles_large.jpg] I didn't know the Type B was still around, and this is apparently a few years after TV Centre got started. David T. On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 18:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > The wheel on top of the EMT140 was indeed a damper, bringing a damper > almost as big as the plate itself, closer to the plate. > > And I thought you might like this pic of Paul Graydon at the TC6 Type D > (?) desk. Note the Pye compressors. > > > Do we know what became of Paul? I shared a flat on Talgarth Road with him > for a couple of years, circa 1968-1970. Traffic at the front, Barons Court > tube station (above ground) at the back. Freshwater Flats rent, my share, > was ?32 per month inc gas, elec, etc. Very interesting times. Thereafter, > Hanwell with Rick Gardner and Rex Palmer - even more interesting times. > What naughty boys we were, in the days when you could be!! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 26 Mar 2021, at 17:08, Alec Bray via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > Hi all, > On 26/03/2021 12:11, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone remember how 'reverb' was produced at TVC when it open... > > > IIRC, in 1963 in studios TC3 and possibly TC4 (and possibly in the other > two open at the time (TC2 and TC5)) the reverb or echo unit was in the > sound equipment room where all the amps and so on were kept - was it on the > other side of the corridor - er viewing area - to the Sound Gallery?. > Sorry to the sound people - I spent the bare minimum of time on the sound > side of things so bear with, bear with ... > > The reverb or echo unit was a sheet of metal, mounted long side horizontal > , short side vertical (so on its side) and about 8 ft long and 4 ft high > (Imperial in those days!!) . At one end was mounted the moving bits of a > loudspeaker, and at the other end was mounted the moving bits of a > microphone. The whole thing was mounted inside a wooden box about 9 inches > wide. I DID get a peek inside the box one day, On the outside of the box > - at the top, I think, there was a wheel 6 to 9 inches in diameter, mounted > horizontally, which could be used to (query) dampen the oscillations of the > metal sheet or (query) change the position of a fixed point along the > length of the metal sheet so that the periodicity of the vibrations ( er er > the effective length of the sheet ??) was changed. > > Basically, your sound was fed in at one end, the metal plate vibrated and > the vibrations were picked up at the other end by the "mic"- the size of > the sheet basically determining the period before you got the "echo". 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Name: 1966-foley_hiles_large.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 107585 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Fri Mar 26 13:49:09 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:49:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <23869507-1a06-4dbc-b3f2-9a2da1b025f8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter and Alec...sorry I missed the fact that the EMT Plates were in each Sound apparatus Room. At least that stopped the 'bun fight' that we had at LWT when more than one studio wanted an EMT. David T On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 18:36, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > This is the layout of TC3 or 4 gallery (I think 4). The others were > similar but smaller. > You can see where the SAR is - and the echo plate is even drawn in! > > > > > > > > Peter Neill > > > > > > On 26 Mar 2021, at 17:07, Alec Bray via Tech1 > wrote: > > Hi all, > On 26/03/2021 12:11, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone remember how 'reverb' was produced at TVC when it open... > > > IIRC, in 1963 in studios TC3 and possibly TC4 (and possibly in the other > two open at the time (TC2 and TC5)) the reverb or echo unit was in the > sound equipment room where all the amps and so on were kept - was it on the > other side of the corridor - er viewing area - to the Sound Gallery?. > Sorry to the sound people - I spent the bare minimum of time on the sound > side of things so bear with, bear with ... > > The reverb or echo unit was a sheet of metal, mounted long side horizontal > , short side vertical (so on its side) and about 8 ft long and 4 ft high > (Imperial in those days!!) . At one end was mounted the moving bits of a > loudspeaker, and at the other end was mounted the moving bits of a > microphone. The whole thing was mounted inside a wooden box about 9 inches > wide. I DID get a peek inside the box one day, On the outside of the box > - at the top, I think, there was a wheel 6 to 9 inches in diameter, mounted > horizontally, which could be used to (query) dampen the oscillations of the > metal sheet or (query) change the position of a fixed point along the > length of the metal sheet so that the periodicity of the vibrations ( er er > the effective length of the sheet ??) was changed. > > Basically, your sound was fed in at one end, the metal plate vibrated and > the vibrations were picked up at the other end by the "mic"- the size of > the sheet basically determining the period before you got the "echo". 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When TVT was doing musical programmes in the training studio at WG, I would book the echo room, with go and return via our music lines, although as an alternative I would use an echo plate and ask CAR to set the reverb to 1.5 seconds. The echo feed would be sent via a reel to reel tape machine running at 15 IPS. I did many a PG recording with a folk group I knew in the training studio and still have some of the recordings. When TVT moved to Elstree, we lost the facility of using TVC plates. ATV had a room with about six or eight EMT plates with a router system for the four studios there. As the plates contained a lot of asbestos, they were removed not long after the BBC took over the site. I have the two row jackfield that came out of the area in my home equipment bay! Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From Waresound at msn.com Fri Mar 26 15:19:30 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:19:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <23869507-1a06-4dbc-b3f2-9a2da1b025f8@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I think that pic must have been mid seventies. I?m afraid I don?t know what the show was. It?s one of the very few times I took a camera into work. The Hasselblad was a bit too conspicuous, considering that we weren?t supposed to take pictures. If he is still around, Paul might be able to tell us. It looks as though he was on sound training, attached to someone. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Mar 2021, at 18:46, David Taylor wrote: ? Nick, Thanks for that great picture of the BBC Type D. Do you know what year that would be Nick? It's wonderful that you can to 'pull out' these rare photos of BBC gear in use from 'back in the day'. I love that 'putting out a call' on Tech-Ops can do that! And thanks Alec for the summary of the reverb unit...as Nick shows it would have been an EMT140. Now at LWT in 1971 we had 6 of those...so I guess TV Centre would have had a good few, and perhaps they were spaced around, as it was such a big place Perhaps Lime Grove still had Echo Chambers? There's this picture of Brian Hiles at a BBC Type B desk: I didn't know the Type B was still around, and this is apparently a few years after TV Centre got started. David T. On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 18:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: The wheel on top of the EMT140 was indeed a damper, bringing a damper almost as big as the plate itself, closer to the plate. And I thought you might like this pic of Paul Graydon at the TC6 Type D (?) desk. Note the Pye compressors. Do we know what became of Paul? I shared a flat on Talgarth Road with him for a couple of years, circa 1968-1970. Traffic at the front, Barons Court tube station (above ground) at the back. Freshwater Flats rent, my share, was ?32 per month inc gas, elec, etc. Very interesting times. Thereafter, Hanwell with Rick Gardner and Rex Palmer - even more interesting times. What naughty boys we were, in the days when you could be!! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Mar 2021, at 17:08, Alec Bray via Tech1 > wrote: ? Hi all, On 26/03/2021 12:11, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Anyone remember how 'reverb' was produced at TVC when it open... IIRC, in 1963 in studios TC3 and possibly TC4 (and possibly in the other two open at the time (TC2 and TC5)) the reverb or echo unit was in the sound equipment room where all the amps and so on were kept - was it on the other side of the corridor - er viewing area - to the Sound Gallery?. Sorry to the sound people - I spent the bare minimum of time on the sound side of things so bear with, bear with ... The reverb or echo unit was a sheet of metal, mounted long side horizontal , short side vertical (so on its side) and about 8 ft long and 4 ft high (Imperial in those days!!) . At one end was mounted the moving bits of a loudspeaker, and at the other end was mounted the moving bits of a microphone. The whole thing was mounted inside a wooden box about 9 inches wide. I DID get a peek inside the box one day, On the outside of the box - at the top, I think, there was a wheel 6 to 9 inches in diameter, mounted horizontally, which could be used to (query) dampen the oscillations of the metal sheet or (query) change the position of a fixed point along the length of the metal sheet so that the periodicity of the vibrations ( er er the effective length of the sheet ??) was changed. Basically, your sound was fed in at one end, the metal plate vibrated and the vibrations were picked up at the other end by the "mic"- the size of the sheet basically determining the period before you got the "echo". It was a bit "one echo fits all". Sorry for the imprecision, but I hope you've got the idea! The whole shebang was in a wooden case - I don't think it was chipboard, but was a pale-ish colour like a lot of office furniture. Best regards, keep safe Alec. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 202022 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It looked cheap, felt horrible to use and it turned out to be a waste of money. The extended use of my vocabulary was attributed to owning a ******* G-Tech. I believe the new ones are now much better and as we all know battery technology has ?evolved? since 2010 but that?s a far as my knowledge goes with G-Tech - I wouldn?t know how prices compare or what the reviews say. My experience of Dyson is a premium priced product with a service life much shorter than I would have expected - not helped by the type of plastics used which seem to be brittle enough to break easily. As I?ve said in the past, the number of Dysons dumped at our local recycling centre may be considered an indication to support this. Dyson appears to be one of those brands that inspires fierce loyalty. When I float my unpopular opinion, almost understandably people become very protective of their purchases, which isn?t surprising given the amount they?ve handed over to Sir James ? Steve > On 26 Mar 2021, at 13:52, Janis Goldring wrote: > > ?We found the Gtech cordless hand held job was much better - the attachments include a ?power? head which is great for cleaning carpet on stairs - also has a long nozzle which is conveniently stored inside the handle. We bought the upright cordless at the same time as it was a special offer for the two together (which they do these offers from time to time) - they both share the same charge connector/plug (though you can buy another) and the run time is excellent - I can do our whole flat on one charge with power to spare. > > Janis and Peter Goldring > >> On 23 Mar 2021, at 22:06, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: >> Ah ......Dyson ! >> We have ?inherited? a small hand held Dyson - a great little thing: It works well and does what it?s supposed to for up to a maximum of 10 seconds before it finally cuts out! >> I was reluctant to skip it - I discovered that it had an inherent fault: As it sucks it distorts the internal filter out of shape and this results in the cut-out switch being activated because it thinks it needs emptying! >> Unless I missed something, the remedy was to turn the filter around! >> Sadly, very soon after the same fault occurred again as it sucked the filter out of shape - even with it fitted in the opposite direction! >> I suspect a significant number will have already ended up as landfill. >> Thanks again for another one of your ?inventions? Sir James! >> Steve >>>> On 23 Mar 2021, at 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog' cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! Cheers, Dave. >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Fri Mar 26 16:37:56 2021 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:37:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> Hi David, The first desk in TC7 was a Pye, but I didn't think it had germanium transistors. I remember burning my fingers on the switching transistors in the Pye 4060 compressor/Limiter so I doubt this was germanium based. The 4060 was well regarded as it removed energy from the signal rather than just 'squashing' it. Several were modified for use in other studios and in Mexico for the World Cup in 1986. Talking of which, I sub-mixed for the World Cup on a 'portable' Pye 4 channel mixer in 1966. Remember "Goooooooooooooooal? Attached is a photo of myself doing a spot of plugging in TVT. I hope this is useful, John H. On 25/03/2021 23:10, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Dave and John, > I know you guys are talking about the camera side of TC1 but can I ask > those of a 'sound background' something? > I've only recently been looking back at that YouTube clip of the 1974 > Blue Peter because I'm researching for an article about Pye audio > mixers, and the BBC had that big wrap around desk in both the TV > Theatre and TC1. I know that it went into TC1 when it was built and > the earlier studios had the BBC type D desks. Did anywhere else get > that generation of transistorised (germanium) Pye desks? > Sorry to 'high-jack' your discussion about that wonderful > Transatlantic crane by the way, and I always enjoy seeing EMI2001's! > David Taylor > > On 25 Mar 2021, at 21:05, David Brunt via Tech1 > wrote: > > That sounds a lot like the 4 November 1974 show. Noakes on the > crane, Purves in the gallery.? Just after TC1 had been refitted. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxD6LW-JmA > > *From:* jpn via Tech1 > *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 8:49 PM > *To:* patheigham ; > geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com ; > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Blue Peter > I remember working on a look round TC1 on a Blue Peter & I was > swinging a crane, but it was a Transatlantic as I recall & there > were 2 of us swinging. I got paid an appearance fee (3 guineas?), > as we were cued to swing John Noakes up to look in the control > room window. Probably 1967 or 8. > John Nottage > Sent from my Galaxy > -------- Original message -------- > From: patheigham via Tech1 > Date: 25/03/2021 18:51 (GMT+00:00) > To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [SPAM?] Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter > > As a sound man, Blue Peter could have been regarded as a simple > programme. Not on your Nellie! Anything could be thrown at you! > Mixing live, was a seat of the pants job and it kept one on one?s > toe?s. But I did have Norman Greaves behind me to step in if I > panicked and lost it! Great fun! > > (I?m talking about LG in B/W in the 60?s!) > > Pat > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 > *Sent: *25 March 2021 15:41 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Blue Peter > > Sorting through my photos and trying to get the folders in a nice > neat tree structure instead of lots in unnamed ones (we?ve > discussed this before, I know), I came across this one of the Nike > crane on Blue Peter. > > It?s undeniably Howard Michaels in characteristically relaxed > fashion on the back, with a guy I recognise but whose name I can?t > remember swinging and what looks like Geoff Clark on the front, > though I could be wrong. The guy half hidden on the left could be > Dudley Darby as it looks like his stance and if it is, I?m sure > he?ll recognise himself if he sees it, > > *Geoff* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TVT_Pye Mixer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440429 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 26 17:05:53 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:05:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Echo units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tel. OBs also used to book plates, we would get a message about what value delay to set it to. They were plugged on CAR tie-lines and? fed to the OB site.? Some later scanners were fitted with Grampian spring reverbs which weren't supposed to be moved! I had to dismantle the one in the Type 5, LO5, to sort it out!? Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Fri Mar 26 18:01:40 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:01:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> , <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: Those empty mic amp holes were just right for keeping a bottle of beer cool when you knew you weren?t going to make it to the bar before it closed. If there weren?t any empty holes, you had to decide what channels you could do without. Priorities! Does 2N3055 ring a bell, John? Two on the back panel of every one of those Pye modules. Never understood why a mic amp needed power output transistors. Hope that?s not too much audio chat. Just in case, I?ll mention that the last time I saw an EMI 2001 was at Sussex University, where it was being used in the TV studio green room as a coffee table. Sad but true. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:38, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi David, The first desk in TC7 was a Pye, but I didn't think it had germanium transistors. I remember burning my fingers on the switching transistors in the Pye 4060 compressor/Limiter so I doubt this was germanium based. The 4060 was well regarded as it removed energy from the signal rather than just 'squashing' it. Several were modified for use in other studios and in Mexico for the World Cup in 1986. Talking of which, I sub-mixed for the World Cup on a 'portable' Pye 4 channel mixer in 1966. Remember "Goooooooooooooooal? Attached is a photo of myself doing a spot of plugging in TVT. I hope this is useful, John H. [cid:4AD36F53-7B1E-4749-B222-0DBAA70CD435]-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TVT_Pye Mixer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440429 bytes Desc: TVT_Pye Mixer.jpg URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 27 03:13:57 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:13:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Echo units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03E540EA-DED7-40AD-8781-C44CC9F57981@me.com> When John Livingstone was a sound supervisor, he was frequently described in many ways, but I think that most would agree that he strived to be a perfectionist. He was mixing a show starring Olivia Newton John, from Ceaser?s Palace ( err ... the one that was on an industrial estate in Luton ) and wanted excellent reverb. He had previously had an unfortunate experience with a large portable echo plate getting knocked while in use on location and decided that the best solution would be to book dedicated music circuits to and from Broadcasting House and use their echo room. Unfortunately the outgoing line suffered from occasional splats, which when fed into the echo room resulted in something closer to a comedy sound effect. John being John, he made an almighty fuss about it after the show and demanded that the next week, the line should be faultless or there would be hell to pay. The following week there were no splats ... just a series of irregular subtle clicks, some presumed to be on the outgoing line because they came back reverberated and others on the return line because they sounded dry. Nobody will ever know exactly what the reason was, but my theory was that John had made so much fuss that at every point along the route, BT staff might have been intermittently checking to ensure it was OK and their monitoring across the line might have been introducing those clicks. Incidentally there was a curious oddity regarding ONJ?s backing singers. They were two men and a woman, but when you pre-hear their vocal mics, it sounded like two women and one man. The one that sounded closest to Olivia?s voice and occasionally doubled her vocals was one of the blokes. When I was the SA1 on MSC2 ( Mobile Sound Control - used for the big music shows ), in the late 70s, one sound supervisor borrowed or hired an EMT 250, which was the most spectacular beast of outboard kit ever. It stood waist high and the operational controls looked like they had been stolen from Dr Who?s Tardis after it had landed on the set of Star Wars. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 48627 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Most of the vertical sides were large heatsinks which were needed because the electronics largely consisted of about 500 TTL logic chips. The digital storage consisted of a massive array of ?2102? memory chips of the type commonly used in home computers in the early days. It needed three fans and all that heat sinking to keep it cool. Note from the picture that the device had handles and was therefore deemed to be portable, despite weighing about 50kg. Lifting it up into the doorway of a vehicle, combined with the awkward shape and positioning of the handles made it feel even heavier than it actually was and I might beg to differ about EMT?s definition of portable. The results were almost as impressive as the look of the thing. It was an amazing device and to this day is still regarded as one of the best reverb units ever and can still fetch about ?5k if one is up for sale. However, time has moved on to such an extent that many of us have a laptop computer, iPad or even smartphone capable of synthesising comparable quality reverb. Alan Taylor > On 26 Mar 2021, at 22:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > ?Tel. OBs also used to book plates, we would get a message about what value delay to set it to. They were plugged on CAR tie-lines and fed to the OB site. Some later scanners were fitted with Grampian spring reverbs which weren't supposed to be moved! I had to dismantle the one in the Type 5, LO5, to sort it out! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 27 03:28:35 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:28:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54FEFB6D-1A46-43F6-93D1-AD8B90C4C01B@me.com> While the size of those Pye modules is perfect for storing sanity inducing beverages, I?m not convinced that storing bottles of beer in a vacant module surrounded by other modules which each need a couple of power transistors on the back would do much to keep them cool. On OBs we addressed the same problem by adapting the air conditioning vents so that they could be quickly removed so that the duct became a handy refrigerated storage unit for beer, sandwiches and Mars bars. It was important to ensure that you emptied the A/C ducts after the show because when the vehicle was in motion, anything left there would roll away in order to find the most inaccessible spots in the scanner. On the rare occasions when A/C engineers needed to work on the ducts, they would sometimes find festering sandwiches, dodgy looking Mars bars and the occasional can of beer. I sometimes wondered if the A/C performance was impaired by the wayward refreshments which it swallowed, or whether it regarded them as offerings to a really cool God ? Alan Taylor > On 26 Mar 2021, at 23:02, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Those empty mic amp holes were just right for keeping a bottle of beer cool when you knew you weren?t going to make it to the bar before it closed. If there weren?t any empty holes, you had to decide what channels you could do without. Priorities! > Does 2N3055 ring a bell, John? Two on the back panel of every one of those Pye modules. Never understood why a mic amp needed power output transistors. > > Hope that?s not too much audio chat. Just in case, I?ll mention that the last time I saw an EMI 2001 was at Sussex University, where it was being used in the TV studio green room as a coffee table. Sad but true. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:38, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Hi David, >> >> The first desk in TC7 was a Pye, but I didn't think it had germanium transistors. I remember burning my fingers on the switching transistors in the Pye 4060 compressor/Limiter so I doubt this was germanium based. The 4060 was well regarded as it removed energy from the signal rather than just 'squashing' it. Several were modified for use in other studios and in Mexico for the World Cup in 1986. >> >> Talking of which, I sub-mixed for the World Cup on a 'portable' Pye 4 channel mixer in 1966. Remember "Goooooooooooooooal? >> >> Attached is a photo of myself doing a spot of plugging in TVT. >> >> I hope this is useful, >> >> John H. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Sat Mar 27 04:30:33 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:30:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Don't get me on vacuums. I have had a huge number over the years. Our golden retriever Wesley is terrified of them! which is a bind since its his fault we have so much hoovering to do Over the years I have had various models. Nothing actually cleans like a Miele, in my opinion. When ever I do the hoovering with this model the dog sits outside. I have have a G-Tec push along thats OK which the dog will tolerate and I use between blitzing but I am endlessly cleaning the sponge filter- I can do the whole downstairs easily on this but I do not reckon it cleaning power against the Miele. I was under the impression that G-tec were originally battery makers that went into machinery. I have a freind who bought the gardening combo (Mower/strimmer/blower) who seems quite happy I had a Dyson that died after 40 mins of cleaning and found that there was a battery fault ( I rang Dyson to complain!)which I ended up having to send it to be refurbished and after a year it was back to 20 mins max on full cleaning. I think they are over rated massively. They are useful as they are light and easy to store etc this crappy one is exiled to the garage as it cleans a car quite well in 20 mins. I bought my elderly mother a smaller lighter corded Dyson which is quite good but still no match for the Miele. Looking at Which best buys they all have issues with length of battery time. There is one called the Tineco Pure One S12. rated 83%. ?328.00 on Amazon. A Dyson V11 got 85% and is ?599 But its your choice in the end and I am taking no responsibility if its a duffer if you decided to buy it. I have lots of cordless stuff these days Drills, chainsaw (bosch) and Stihlt strimmer and hedge trimmer . They are all quite heavy and run for 40 mins on a 2 hour charge but then the batteries very much bigger and much heavier. Thought of keeping the Miele and getting a cleaner which is what I did did for my mum? Take care, Sarax > On 26 Mar 2021, at 20:35, Steve Edwards via Tech. wrote: > > A friend of mine has a G -Tech, I?m unsure of the model but he seems to like it. My aunt also likes the one she bought a couple of years ago (a K9 Airram?) which is still functioning OK - I believe it is now supplied with the Lithium battery. > > Our own experience of G-Tech wasn?t a particularly good one: We bought it during a very weak and vulnerable moment from one of those Daily Express ads over 10 years ago. The NiCad battery was worse than useless and it never held its charge for long enough to clean half the room. It looked cheap, felt horrible to use and it turned out to be a waste of money. The extended use of my vocabulary was attributed to owning a ******* G-Tech. > > I believe the new ones are now much better and as we all know battery technology has ?evolved? since 2010 but that?s a far as my knowledge goes with G-Tech - I wouldn?t know how prices compare or what the reviews say. > > My experience of Dyson is a premium priced product with a service life much shorter than I would have expected - not helped by the type of plastics used which seem to be brittle enough to break easily. As I?ve said in the past, the number of Dysons dumped at our local recycling centre may be considered an indication to support this. > > Dyson appears to be one of those brands that inspires fierce loyalty. When I float my unpopular opinion, almost understandably people become very protective of their purchases, which isn?t surprising given the amount they?ve handed over to Sir James ? > > Steve > > >> On 26 Mar 2021, at 13:52, Janis Goldring wrote: >> >> ?We found the Gtech cordless hand held job was much better - the attachments include a ?power? head which is great for cleaning carpet on stairs - also has a long nozzle which is conveniently stored inside the handle. We bought the upright cordless at the same time as it was a special offer for the two together (which they do these offers from time to time) - they both share the same charge connector/plug (though you can buy another) and the run time is excellent - I can do our whole flat on one charge with power to spare. >> >> Janis and Peter Goldring >> >>> On 23 Mar 2021, at 22:06, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: >>> Ah ......Dyson ! >>> We have ?inherited? a small hand held Dyson - a great little thing: It works well and does what it?s supposed to for up to a maximum of 10 seconds before it finally cuts out! >>> I was reluctant to skip it - I discovered that it had an inherent fault: As it sucks it distorts the internal filter out of shape and this results in the cut-out switch being activated because it thinks it needs emptying! >>> Unless I missed something, the remedy was to turn the filter around! >>> Sadly, very soon after the same fault occurred again as it sucked the filter out of shape - even with it fitted in the opposite direction! >>> I suspect a significant number will have already ended up as landfill. >>> Thanks again for another one of your ?inventions? Sir James! >>> Steve >>>>> On 23 Mar 2021, at 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog' cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! 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An hour later I had collected it and was told that Miele have a policy of trying to stock spares for at least ten years after a model is discontinued and for longer when it comes to major parts for popular models. Since remarrying, it was an obvious choice to get another Miele, which is going strong. We were lucky in that we were able to buy the more powerful one which was available before energy efficiency rules neutered them. The one we have is able to suck the floor cleaning head onto the wall with such force that the head and hose pipe are supported and remain stuck to the wall. I?m always delighted when companies supply spare parts long after the product is discontinued. The Miele ?experience centre? at Abingdon is a great idea if you?re thinking of buying any of their products. Cooking appliances are connected up and can be used, washing machines are fully plumbed in and practical. You can try the appliances for real to see how they work for you. Most retailers only have them on display, but not connected or functioning. In most showrooms you can?t judge how noisy the fan oven is, or whether you like the controls and responsiveness of an induction hob. Alan Taylor > On 27 Mar 2021, at 09:31, sara newman via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Hi, > > Don't get me on vacuums. I have had a huge number over the years. Our golden retriever Wesley is terrified of them! which is a bind since its his fault we have so much hoovering to do > > Over the years I have had various models. Nothing actually cleans like a Miele, in my opinion. When ever I do the hoovering with this model the dog sits outside. > > I have have a G-Tec push along thats OK which the dog will tolerate and I use between blitzing but I am endlessly cleaning the sponge filter- I can do the whole downstairs easily on this but I do not reckon it cleaning power against the Miele. I was under the impression that G-tec were originally battery makers that went into machinery. I have a freind who bought the gardening combo (Mower/strimmer/blower) who seems quite happy > > I had a Dyson that died after 40 mins of cleaning and found that there was a battery fault ( I rang Dyson to complain!)which I ended up having to send it to be refurbished and after a year it was back to 20 mins max on full cleaning. I think they are over rated massively. They are useful as they are light and easy to store etc this crappy one is exiled to the garage as it cleans a car quite well in 20 mins. > > I bought my elderly mother a smaller lighter corded Dyson which is quite good but still no match for the Miele. > > Looking at Which best buys they all have issues with length of battery time. There is one called the Tineco Pure One S12. rated 83%. ?328.00 on Amazon. A Dyson V11 got 85% and is ?599 But its your choice in the end and I am taking no responsibility if its a duffer if you decided to buy it. > > I have lots of cordless stuff these days Drills, chainsaw (bosch) and Stihlt strimmer and hedge trimmer . They are all quite heavy and run for 40 mins on a 2 hour charge but then the batteries very much bigger and much heavier. > > Thought of keeping the Miele and getting a cleaner which is what I did did for my mum? > > Take care, > > Sarax >> On 26 Mar 2021, at 20:35, Steve Edwards via Tech. wrote: >> >> A friend of mine has a G -Tech, I?m unsure of the model but he seems to like it. My aunt also likes the one she bought a couple of years ago (a K9 Airram?) which is still functioning OK - I believe it is now supplied with the Lithium battery. >> >> Our own experience of G-Tech wasn?t a particularly good one: We bought it during a very weak and vulnerable moment from one of those Daily Express ads over 10 years ago. The NiCad battery was worse than useless and it never held its charge for long enough to clean half the room. It looked cheap, felt horrible to use and it turned out to be a waste of money. The extended use of my vocabulary was attributed to owning a ******* G-Tech. >> >> I believe the new ones are now much better and as we all know battery technology has ?evolved? since 2010 but that?s a far as my knowledge goes with G-Tech - I wouldn?t know how prices compare or what the reviews say. >> >> My experience of Dyson is a premium priced product with a service life much shorter than I would have expected - not helped by the type of plastics used which seem to be brittle enough to break easily. As I?ve said in the past, the number of Dysons dumped at our local recycling centre may be considered an indication to support this. >> >> Dyson appears to be one of those brands that inspires fierce loyalty. When I float my unpopular opinion, almost understandably people become very protective of their purchases, which isn?t surprising given the amount they?ve handed over to Sir James ? >> >> Steve >> >> >>> On 26 Mar 2021, at 13:52, Janis Goldring wrote: >>> >>> ?We found the Gtech cordless hand held job was much better - the attachments include a ?power? head which is great for cleaning carpet on stairs - also has a long nozzle which is conveniently stored inside the handle. We bought the upright cordless at the same time as it was a special offer for the two together (which they do these offers from time to time) - they both share the same charge connector/plug (though you can buy another) and the run time is excellent - I can do our whole flat on one charge with power to spare. >>> >>> Janis and Peter Goldring >>> >>>> On 23 Mar 2021, at 22:06, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Ah ......Dyson ! >>>> We have ?inherited? a small hand held Dyson - a great little thing: It works well and does what it?s supposed to for up to a maximum of 10 seconds before it finally cuts out! >>>> I was reluctant to skip it - I discovered that it had an inherent fault: As it sucks it distorts the internal filter out of shape and this results in the cut-out switch being activated because it thinks it needs emptying! >>>> Unless I missed something, the remedy was to turn the filter around! >>>> Sadly, very soon after the same fault occurred again as it sucked the filter out of shape - even with it fitted in the opposite direction! >>>> I suspect a significant number will have already ended up as landfill. >>>> Thanks again for another one of your ?inventions? Sir James! >>>> Steve >>>>>> On 23 Mar 2021, at 21:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?My wife wants one as our Miele 'Big Cat & Dog' cabled one is too heavy for her! Any recommendations? My ex-son-in-law worked in a repair shop and he hated Dysons as the dust flew everywhere when you opened it, also, every time I went to the local re-cycling centre there was a container full of Dysons! 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Us Gram Ops often had to visit other BBC premises to use facilities when TVC ran short, and it was assumed that with the unified(?) overall training we should be able to operate all studios, except that there were local variations. So I turn up at a BH studio one evening for a sound editing session, to discover that I could not find the master main switch to turn everything on. A call to BH CAR answered by a very helpful chap who explained that the SAR was actually across the corridor and came up to show me. Friendly, helpful colleagues all! Memories again ? after I left, I was booked as a freelance recordist by the Film Unit, and had a location which based us at LG. The director needed some VO narration, so I immediately thought of Studio R, much used by myself when working on Dr.Who. Sneaking up the back stairs, the place was empty, so we set up the mic and Nagra. We always had to get the ventilation turned off for silence, and I went over to the internal phone and automatically dialled the building engineers ? somehow the phone number surfaced in my brain after several years! Thank you BBC, for an excellent grounding in knowledge and experience that I took with me and put into practice, later. Hopefully, my stories of real situations & solutions effected, might help younger chaps who might not have encountered them, to avoid disasters. Regards Pat (There is an apocryphal story of a Film Production Mixer being interviewed for a job. The Production Manager remarked that he was expensive: ?Because? he replied ? I?ve already made all the mistakes, that younger fellows have yet to make!?) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Sent: 26 March 2021 18:36 To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 This is the layout of TC3 or 4 gallery (I think 4). The others were similar but smaller. You can see where the SAR is - and the echo plate is even drawn in! Peter Neill On 26 Mar 2021, at 17:07, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all, On 26/03/2021 12:11, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Anyone remember how 'reverb' was produced at TVC when it open... IIRC, in 1963 in studios TC3 and possibly TC4 (and possibly in the other two open at the time (TC2 and TC5))? the reverb or echo unit was in the sound equipment room where all the amps and so on were kept - was it on the other side of the corridor - er viewing area - to the Sound Gallery?.? Sorry to the sound people - I spent the bare minimum of time on the sound side of things so bear with, bear with? ... -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sat Mar 27 06:17:45 2021 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:17:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes Nick, the 2N3055 was a workhorse power transistor of the day from RCA. The operator's instructions for the Pye desk were issued on 22nd March 1971 (50 years ago!). TC1 43 channels, TC6 36 channels, TC7 30 channels. The spec. for the Pye channel amplifiers called for the capability to feed +23dbs into 600 ohms which requires something approaching a power amplifier. Regards, John H. On 26/03/2021 23:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Those empty mic amp holes were just right for keeping a bottle of beer > cool when you knew you weren?t going to make it to the bar before it > closed. If there weren?t any empty holes, you had to decide what > channels you could do without. Priorities! > Does 2N3055 ring a bell, John? Two on the back panel of every one of > those Pye modules. Never understood why a mic amp needed power output > transistors. > > Hope that?s not too much audio chat. Just in case, I?ll mention that > the last time I saw an EMI 2001 was at Sussex University, where it was > being used in the TV studio green room as a coffee table. Sad but true. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:38, John Howell via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hi David, >> >> The first desk in TC7 was a Pye, but I didn't think it had germanium >> transistors. I remember burning my fingers on the switching >> transistors in the Pye 4060 compressor/Limiter so I doubt this was >> germanium based. The 4060 was well regarded as it removed energy from >> the signal rather than just 'squashing' it. Several were modified for >> use in other studios and in Mexico for the World Cup in 1986. >> >> Talking of which, I sub-mixed for the World Cup on a 'portable' Pye 4 >> channel mixer in 1966. Remember "Goooooooooooooooal? >> >> Attached is a photo of myself doing a spot of plugging in TVT. >> >> I hope this is useful, >> >> John H. >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After sales service V. Good. The only problem being that fitting the hose upside down, causes a problem. Why not have an engraved arrow! Miele?s reckoned to be heavy. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: sara newman via Tech1 Sent: 27 March 2021 09:30 To: Steve Edwards Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners Hi,? Don't get me on vacuums. I have had a huge number over the years. ?Our golden retriever Wesley is terrified of them! which is a bind since its his fault we have so much hoovering to do? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 27 06:39:18 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:39:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90B8C5DB-1748-4A4D-A544-6B2B5CE059AF@me.com> I remember a lecturer at Evesham trying to explain how dB scales work. Tone at +24db was something like a 15v AC signal, while 50Hz at +50dB would be 230v and can be conveniently found coming out of a 13A socket. ~~~ Disclaimer. Exact values may be a little wrong as I can?t be bothered to look it up properly, but you get the gist of it ~~~ Alan Taylor > On 27 Mar 2021, at 11:18, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > Yes Nick, the 2N3055 was a workhorse power transistor of the day from RCA. > > The operator's instructions for the Pye desk were issued on 22nd March 1971 (50 years ago!). TC1 43 channels, TC6 36 channels, TC7 30 channels. > > The spec. for the Pye channel amplifiers called for the capability to feed +23dbs into 600 ohms which requires something approaching a power amplifier. > > Regards, > > John H. > > > > On 26/03/2021 23:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Those empty mic amp holes were just right for keeping a bottle of beer cool when you knew you weren?t going to make it to the bar before it closed. If there weren?t any empty holes, you had to decide what channels you could do without. Priorities! >> Does 2N3055 ring a bell, John? Two on the back panel of every one of those Pye modules. Never understood why a mic amp needed power output transistors. >> >> Hope that?s not too much audio chat. Just in case, I?ll mention that the last time I saw an EMI 2001 was at Sussex University, where it was being used in the TV studio green room as a coffee table. Sad but true. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:38, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Hi David, >>> >>> The first desk in TC7 was a Pye, but I didn't think it had germanium transistors. I remember burning my fingers on the switching transistors in the Pye 4060 compressor/Limiter so I doubt this was germanium based. The 4060 was well regarded as it removed energy from the signal rather than just 'squashing' it. Several were modified for use in other studios and in Mexico for the World Cup in 1986. >>> >>> Talking of which, I sub-mixed for the World Cup on a 'portable' Pye 4 channel mixer in 1966. 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URL: From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com Sat Mar 27 06:40:14 2021 From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:40:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] News from Shepherds Bush In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <7f558f4b-eb8d-13c7-438e-eaeed5541adc@gmail.com> I have just been told by a friend (ex-BBC) that there is now a great hole on the north-west end of Shepherds Bush Green, where Threshold and Union Houses were.? Apparently destined to be the low rent version of TVC. More memories gone. Mike Minchin From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 27 06:55:40 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:55:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners In-Reply-To: <605f18bb.1c69fb81.119e5.a17d@mx.google.com> References: <605f18bb.1c69fb81.119e5.a17d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4577759D-62ED-40BC-B5F5-6C48626A7F08@me.com> ? Miele?s reckoned to be heavy.? Isn?t there some sort of imaginary scale which goes from ?flimsy? to ?heavy?, with a corresponding scale running from ?short lived? to ?durable?? There is an inverse of that scale which goes from ?convenient? to ?needs a bit of effort to shift it?. We each choose our preferred point along that scale for our particular purposes. Alan Taylor > On 27 Mar 2021, at 11:36, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Sorry that your pooch is frightened of the vacuum cleaner. > Maybe, earlier, you could have made a game out of letting > you run the ?comb? nozzle over his coat, thus preventing the loose hairs from even getting to the carpet! Some dogs love it, according to some friends. > Friends who have had black Labradors for years, have now got a Sebo vacuum cleaner, but rugs instead of carpets, as the floors are tiled, with underfloor heating. > Apparently, bitches moult just before they come into season, dogs, - dunno, when the weather gets warmer, I guess. > Another lady friend with two dogs swears by the Dyson DC40, her ?lady wot does? loves it. After sales service V. Good. The only problem being that fitting the hose upside down, causes a problem. Why not have an engraved arrow! > Miele?s reckoned to be heavy. > Best > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: sara newman via Tech1 > Sent: 27 March 2021 09:30 > To: Steve Edwards > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners > > Hi, > > Don't get me on vacuums. I have had a huge number over the years. Our golden retriever Wesley is terrified of them! which is a bind since its his fault we have so much hoovering to do > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Sat Mar 27 07:23:56 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:23:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: John, As Richard Ellis, the Pye TVT historian has virtually no information on the wrap-around Pye desks, and I've been struggling to find any. The photos from Barry and Nick are so good to see and now you've been able to tell me the sizes of the TVC desks...hey I wasn't even sure how many of the studios after TC1 had got them. Do you any documentation? I think I'd like to produce a drawing of the layout. The TC1 desk, like the ATV consoles, appears to have '9 Bays', but obviously they are broken down into fader sections and group and monitoring ones. When were they installed as presumably the Operator Notes dated 1971 were after installation? An ATV desk appeared in a Wireless World news clip in December 1961: [image: 1961-December-Wireless-World-1961-12-Pic-of-ATV-Elstree-Pye-mixer-19.jpg] And TV Centre TC1 opened in the summer of 1963. Therefore these must have been germanium transistor desks, with silicon transistors not getting into consoles until say the late '60's.. So perhaps Bob Barrass's team in the audio department at Pye re-designed the audio amps for later desks? Rupert Neve says germanium's were very hard to keep consistent and were always prone to thermal runaway. Which raises another question.... if germanium, what cooling did they need? I believe ATV had external fans in use cooling their desks at Elstree. Even the germanium Pye OB desks, as in that 20 channel MCR21 one, must have run hot I guess. Many thanks David www.postfade.co.uk On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 at 11:18, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > Yes Nick, the 2N3055 was a workhorse power transistor of the day from RCA. > > The operator's instructions for the Pye desk were issued on 22nd March > 1971 (50 years ago!). TC1 43 channels, TC6 36 channels, TC7 30 channels. > > The spec. for the Pye channel amplifiers called for the capability to feed > +23dbs into 600 ohms which requires something approaching a power amplifier. > > Regards, > > John H. > > > On 26/03/2021 23:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Those empty mic amp holes were just right for keeping a bottle of beer > cool when you knew you weren?t going to make it to the bar before it > closed. If there weren?t any empty holes, you had to decide what channels > you could do without. Priorities! > Does 2N3055 ring a bell, John? Two on the back panel of every one of those > Pye modules. Never understood why a mic amp needed power output transistors. > > Hope that?s not too much audio chat. Just in case, I?ll mention that the > last time I saw an EMI 2001 was at Sussex University, where it was being > used in the TV studio green room as a coffee table. Sad but true. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:38, John Howell via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > Hi David, > > The first desk in TC7 was a Pye, but I didn't think it had germanium > transistors. I remember burning my fingers on the switching transistors in > the Pye 4060 compressor/Limiter so I doubt this was germanium based. The > 4060 was well regarded as it removed energy from the signal rather than > just 'squashing' it. Several were modified for use in other studios and in > Mexico for the World Cup in 1986. > > Talking of which, I sub-mixed for the World Cup on a 'portable' Pye 4 > channel mixer in 1966. 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I was amazed at the turn-out, mostly from his church I think, but ? glad that there was a presence from TVC) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 26 March 2021 21:38 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 Hi David, Attached is a photo of myself doing a spot of plugging in TVT. I hope this is useful, John H. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at summershome.co.uk Sat Mar 27 08:42:12 2021 From: brian at summershome.co.uk (Brian Summers) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 13:42:12 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <01de01d7230e$fe8a9bd0$fb9fd370$@summershome.co.uk> HI all Attached some extracts from the Pye Audio catalogue, sorry they are poor, copies of copies?.., showing some of the installations. And a photo of the spares box for MCR21?s mixer. The Mixer in MCR21 is fan cooled and as I recall does not really get that hot. In a well-designed circuit thermal runaway was not a big problem the fans coped. Noise was/is more of a problem with germanium, hiss, pops and LF grumbles?.. Perhaps they were better when new. On the subject of Pye kit we need to find a lot of the original style Pye Knobs along with any number of other items. Best Regards Brian Summers Broadcast Television Technology Trust Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333 Camberley, England. Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk | www.bttt.org.uk Support us Make a Donation | Become a Volunteer Phone (+44) 01276677879 From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 27 March 2021 12:24 To: John Howell Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 John, As Richard Ellis, the Pye TVT historian has virtually no information on the wrap-around Pye desks, and I've been struggling to find any. The photos from Barry and Nick are so good to see and now you've been able to tell me the sizes of the TVC desks...hey I wasn't even sure how many of the studios after TC1 had got them. Do you any documentation? I think I'd like to produce a drawing of the layout. The TC1 desk, like the ATV consoles, appears to have '9 Bays', but obviously they are broken down into fader sections and group and monitoring ones. When were they installed as presumably the Operator Notes dated 1971 were after installation? An ATV desk appeared in a Wireless World news clip in December 1961: And TV Centre TC1 opened in the summer of 1963. Therefore these must have been germanium transistor desks, with silicon transistors not getting into consoles until say the late '60's.. So perhaps Bob Barrass's team in the audio department at Pye re-designed the audio amps for later desks? Rupert Neve says germanium's were very hard to keep consistent and were always prone to thermal runaway. Which raises another question.... if germanium, what cooling did they need? I believe ATV had external fans in use cooling their desks at Elstree. Even the germanium Pye OB desks, as in that 20 channel MCR21 one, must have run hot I guess. Many thanks David www.postfade.co.uk On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 at 11:18, John Howell via Tech1 > wrote: Yes Nick, the 2N3055 was a workhorse power transistor of the day from RCA. The operator's instructions for the Pye desk were issued on 22nd March 1971 (50 years ago!). TC1 43 channels, TC6 36 channels, TC7 30 channels. The spec. for the Pye channel amplifiers called for the capability to feed +23dbs into 600 ohms which requires something approaching a power amplifier. Regards, John H. On 26/03/2021 23:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Those empty mic amp holes were just right for keeping a bottle of beer cool when you knew you weren?t going to make it to the bar before it closed. If there weren?t any empty holes, you had to decide what channels you could do without. Priorities! Does 2N3055 ring a bell, John? Two on the back panel of every one of those Pye modules. Never understood why a mic amp needed power output transistors. Hope that?s not too much audio chat. Just in case, I?ll mention that the last time I saw an EMI 2001 was at Sussex University, where it was being used in the TV studio green room as a coffee table. Sad but true. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:38, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi David, The first desk in TC7 was a Pye, but I didn't think it had germanium transistors. I remember burning my fingers on the switching transistors in the Pye 4060 compressor/Limiter so I doubt this was germanium based. The 4060 was well regarded as it removed energy from the signal rather than just 'squashing' it. Several were modified for use in other studios and in Mexico for the World Cup in 1986. Talking of which, I sub-mixed for the World Cup on a 'portable' Pye 4 channel mixer in 1966. Remember "Goooooooooooooooal? Attached is a photo of myself doing a spot of plugging in TVT. 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I'll see if I can get at that rack of Pye line send or DAs and take a pic - they're buried somewhere in the cellar. They too used 2n3055 in push pull and an output transformer. More like a power amp. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Mar 27 08:46:04 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 13:46:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners Message-ID: <5913caf136davesound@btinternet.com> I do have a cordless one, but the mains one still the workhorse. It is a Which 'Best Buy' from the 90s - a Panasonic upright, and still working well. Thing is, it has a 1 hp plus motor. Do the sums and see how easy that would be with batteries. Even allowing for a more efficient design. As electric motors are generally pretty efficient. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Mar 27 08:53:59 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 13:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Echo units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5913cbaa7ddavesound@btinternet.com> Remember being told TVT - perhaps when it was in King Street - used a loo as an echo room. An LSU 10 one end and a 4038 the other. Hope it didn't have auto flush loos. ;-) Teddington Studios had the EMT plates in a central location, with remote control in each of the studios. After booking them, you patched the number needed on the day to each studio, etc. On the premise that not all would need more than one at the same time, as you might do with a large music show. I was told initial setup in the factory a bit of a black art. So you hoped a good one would never need repair. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 27 09:06:40 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 14:06:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> , Message-ID: Modular transistorised desks ran hot in those days because they still used impedance matching transformers between stages, following BBC and GPO 600Ohms practice. The Damascene moment was the publishing of a series of early Studio Sound articles by Peter Levesley extolling the virtues of unbalanced Virtual Earth mixing (Voltage coupling as opposed to current driving). Those articles made it possible for me to build this basic little mixer, the first of many I built before you could actually buy anything comparable ready-made. There wasn?t even a standard for female input XLR?s at that time. The flat faders were rack & pinion gear driven rotary pots, made by a Beeb engineer whose name I don?t recall, and which probably pre-dated Penny & Giles. PPM?s were Surrey Electronics PPM cards. [cid:C1CE5439-09A8-4DDF-96D7-E71C58C9B29C] (Re-discovered 120 roll film neg) Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Mar 2021, at 12:24, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? John, As Richard Ellis, the Pye TVT historian has virtually no information on the wrap-around Pye desks, and I've been struggling to find any. The photos from Barry and Nick are so good to see and now you've been able to tell me the sizes of the TVC desks...hey I wasn't even sure how many of the studios after TC1 had got them. Do you any documentation? I think I'd like to produce a drawing of the layout. The TC1 desk, like the ATV consoles, appears to have '9 Bays', but obviously they are broken down into fader sections and group and monitoring ones. When were they installed as presumably the Operator Notes dated 1971 were after installation? An ATV desk appeared in a Wireless World news clip in December 1961: [1961-December-Wireless-World-1961-12-Pic-of-ATV-Elstree-Pye-mixer-19.jpg] And TV Centre TC1 opened in the summer of 1963. Therefore these must have been germanium transistor desks, with silicon transistors not getting into consoles until say the late '60's.. So perhaps Bob Barrass's team in the audio department at Pye re-designed the audio amps for later desks? Rupert Neve says germanium's were very hard to keep consistent and were always prone to thermal runaway. Which raises another question.... if germanium, what cooling did they need? I believe ATV had external fans in use cooling their desks at Elstree. Even the germanium Pye OB desks, as in that 20 channel MCR21 one, must have run hot I guess. Many thanks David www.postfade.co.uk On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 at 11:18, John Howell via Tech1 > wrote: Yes Nick, the 2N3055 was a workhorse power transistor of the day from RCA. The operator's instructions for the Pye desk were issued on 22nd March 1971 (50 years ago!). TC1 43 channels, TC6 36 channels, TC7 30 channels. The spec. for the Pye channel amplifiers called for the capability to feed +23dbs into 600 ohms which requires something approaching a power amplifier. Regards, John H. On 26/03/2021 23:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Those empty mic amp holes were just right for keeping a bottle of beer cool when -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 1961-December-Wireless-World-1961-12-Pic-of-ATV-Elstree-Pye-mixer-19.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 115103 bytes Desc: 1961-December-Wireless-World-1961-12-Pic-of-ATV-Elstree-Pye-mixer-19.jpg URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Mar 27 09:07:25 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 14:07:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: References: <23869507-1a06-4dbc-b3f2-9a2da1b025f8@gmail.com> , Message-ID: <605f3c1d.1c69fb81.3f828.1f8b@mx.google.com> Your Hasselblad produced some great sharp pics, Nick, Thanks. The shot involving the GB Kaylee limiter reminded me that I had it in Riverside when I mixed Dr.Who under Gordon Mackie?s supervision. His advice was to ignore the picture monitor ? concentrate on the script and the PPM. Let the limiter take care of overmods! I was allowed a play on the Pye desk in TVT, setting the balance on Billy Cotton ? great fun! The one in TC1 I remember slightly ? during rehearsals of the B & W?s, Hugh Barker was doing his time sheets and petty cash, on the desk, so we fed the studio mic output via the tape deck, so I could wind in the studio after rehearsal when the tape wasn?t used. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 26 March 2021 20:19 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 I think that pic must have been mid seventies. I?m afraid I don?t know what the show was. It?s one of the very few times I took a camera into work. The Hasselblad was a bit too conspicuous, considering that we weren?t supposed to take pictures. If he is still around, Paul might be able to tell us. It looks as though he was on sound training, attached to someone. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Sat Mar 27 09:50:50 2021 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 14:50:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners In-Reply-To: <605f18bb.1c69fb81.119e5.a17d@mx.google.com> References: <605f18bb.1c69fb81.119e5.a17d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <158FE8FB-8D2B-43B4-834A-EB6F10D816BE@btinternet.com> Apologies for all this talk on domestic appliances.... I haven?t yet opened my eyes to the possibility of being converted to world of Miele but will keep an open mind. We looked at their Washing machines a few years ago but decided that I could buy 2 x equivalent Bosch machines for the price of 1 x Miele! Therefore I couldn?t justify the Miele route - there was no guarantee that it would offer twice the service life of the half price Bosch so I didn?t think it was viable. I agree the Miele looked the part and may well have demonstrated to any visitors entering my utility room that I have a successful rewarding career but the machine in question didn?t appear to have world-class build quality or be able to survive a nuke strike and I wouldn?t be surprised if the PCBs are produced in the same Malaysian factory as many other makes. I?m still running resurrected Dysons and to maintain my pool of spare parts my friends take pity on me and offer me their old ones when they break down - some parts are interchangeable but most are not (there?s a surprise) My mother?s prehistoric Electrolux from the 1960s is still going strong - bought in the days when you didn?t need to carry out extensive research to find out how many months products would live after you?d bought them! I could never bring myself to buy a new Dyson and would go as far as to say that I?d rather reach for my old push along Ewbank carpet sweeper than support the lifestyle of somebody who receives a knighthood for ?inventions? that I feel have caused a serious amount of pollution to this planet. Steve > On 27 Mar 2021, at 11:36, patheigham wrote: > > ? > Sorry that your pooch is frightened of the vacuum cleaner. > Maybe, earlier, you could have made a game out of letting > you run the ?comb? nozzle over his coat, thus preventing the loose hairs from even getting to the carpet! Some dogs love it, according to some friends. > Friends who have had black Labradors for years, have now got a Sebo vacuum cleaner, but rugs instead of carpets, as the floors are tiled, with underfloor heating. > Apparently, bitches moult just before they come into season, dogs, - dunno, when the weather gets warmer, I guess. > Another lady friend with two dogs swears by the Dyson DC40, her ?lady wot does? loves it. After sales service V. Good. The only problem being that fitting the hose upside down, causes a problem. Why not have an engraved arrow! > Miele?s reckoned to be heavy. > Best > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: sara newman via Tech1 > Sent: 27 March 2021 09:30 > To: Steve Edwards > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cordless vacuum cleaners > > Hi, > > Don't get me on vacuums. I have had a huge number over the years. Our golden retriever Wesley is terrified of them! which is a bind since its his fault we have so much hoovering to do > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 27 11:54:48 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:54:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Royal wedding 1981 Message-ID: I thought you might like to see these. In my rummagings and foragings I?ve just re-discovered original unopened copies of Radio Times and TV Times for the week of the Charles and Diana wedding. They are in slightly discoloured but otherwise mint condition having been stored in poly bags all this time. One shows camera positions, so might be of interest. But am I right in thinking that Thames TV did the Cathedral? And I think it was touch and go whether there would be an ITV strike, because I remember that I had all my St Paul?s recording gear in the basement BBC sound control room on standby. On the other hand, I might have got that wrong and I was on standby for the Silver Jubilee in 1977. We had just completed recording all the Jubilee music for a Guild LP, GRSP7010. My B-in-L Barry Rose got his OBE following this event. That, and the fact that he had been secretly taking the choristers to St James Palace on a regular basis for private informal musical entertainment for the Queen Mum, as he used to call her (though probably not to her face!) Cheers, Nick. [cid:734C9200-F1BB-462E-A513-A25F143A6CD8][cid:60B0C285-045A-494B-BEBA-7C610D63CFAC] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1283130 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1439587 bytes Desc: image1.jpeg URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sat Mar 27 12:28:01 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:28:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Echo units In-Reply-To: <03E540EA-DED7-40AD-8781-C44CC9F57981@me.com> References: <03E540EA-DED7-40AD-8781-C44CC9F57981@me.com> Message-ID: <5D2E5794-1681-4C4C-8BF8-C493CE918193@btinternet.com> EMT plates suffer from microphony When we still had West Region continuity announcers in Bristol BH they had rest bedrooms rooms in the attic for night shift/earlies. The EMT plates were housed in there.. They had large official notices warning of any uneccesarry noises from the room or occupants, sort of BBC birth control. I was fascinated by echo and reverb after hearing Apache from the Shadows ,who used a Meatzi Factotum tape loop device. I also heard Jorgen Ingemans version of Apache which used copious ammounts of slap. Our school group had a Selmer Tape echo with a rotating head drum to vary delay. I modded this by wrapping editing tape round the capstan drive to give v high tape speed and very short slap. Binson Echorecs were the best , and very expensive, they used a steel drum and multiple heads. The BBC and Royal Festival Hall had a similar device for electronic ambience in large spaces, not a success though. Delaying send to plates always produces a cleaner ,pleasing verb, now easily done in a convolution reverb with first delay selection. The first time I went to a commercial studio( Advision )I was amazed how different their EMT plates sounded, they had eq and compression on their send and returns and had great control of the signal. At TFS we had a portable AKG Spring device which gave subtle results compared with the dreaded Grampian spring reverb, it had compression and eq. There was an echo room at TFS next to the model stage, thats where the EMTs were kept for the 2 Dubbing theatres. No prophylactic notices on those , though you could hear Blackbirds. Roger > On 27 Mar 2021, at 08:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > When John Livingstone was a sound supervisor, he was frequently described in many ways, but I think that most would agree that he strived to be a perfectionist. > > He was mixing a show starring Olivia Newton John, from Ceaser?s Palace ( err ... the one that was on an industrial estate in Luton ) and wanted excellent reverb. He had previously had an unfortunate experience with a large portable echo plate getting knocked while in use on location and decided that the best solution would be to book dedicated music circuits to and from Broadcasting House and use their echo room. > > Unfortunately the outgoing line suffered from occasional splats, which when fed into the echo room resulted in something closer to a comedy sound effect. John being John, he made an almighty fuss about it after the show and demanded that the next week, the line should be faultless or there would be hell to pay. > > The following week there were no splats ... just a series of irregular subtle clicks, some presumed to be on the outgoing line because they came back reverberated and others on the return line because they sounded dry. > > Nobody will ever know exactly what the reason was, but my theory was that John had made so much fuss that at every point along the route, BT staff might have been intermittently checking to ensure it was OK and their monitoring across the line might have been introducing those clicks. > > Incidentally there was a curious oddity regarding ONJ?s backing singers. They were two men and a woman, but when you pre-hear their vocal mics, it sounded like two women and one man. The one that sounded closest to Olivia?s voice and occasionally doubled her vocals was one of the blokes. > > > When I was the SA1 on MSC2 ( Mobile Sound Control - used for the big music shows ), in the late 70s, one sound supervisor borrowed or hired an EMT 250, which was the most spectacular beast of outboard kit ever. It stood waist high and the operational controls looked like they had been stolen from Dr Who?s Tardis after it had landed on the set of Star Wars. > > > > Most of the vertical sides were large heatsinks which were needed because the electronics largely consisted of about 500 TTL logic chips. The digital storage consisted of a massive array of ?2102? memory chips of the type commonly used in home computers in the early days. It needed three fans and all that heat sinking to keep it cool. > > Note from the picture that the device had handles and was therefore deemed to be portable, despite weighing about 50kg. Lifting it up into the doorway of a vehicle, combined with the awkward shape and positioning of the handles made it feel even heavier than it actually was and I might beg to differ about EMT?s definition of portable. > > The results were almost as impressive as the look of the thing. It was an amazing device and to this day is still regarded as one of the best reverb units ever and can still fetch about ?5k if one is up for sale. However, time has moved on to such an extent that many of us have a laptop computer, iPad or even smartphone capable of synthesising comparable quality reverb. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 26 Mar 2021, at 22:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Tel. OBs also used to book plates, we would get a message about what value delay to set it to. They were plugged on CAR tie-lines and fed to the OB site. Some later scanners were fitted with Grampian spring reverbs which weren't supposed to be moved! I had to dismantle the one in the Type 5, LO5, to sort it out! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Mar 27 12:35:50 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:35:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Royal wedding 1981 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cathedral was certainly all BBC for video. Don?t know about sound. I think I have RT copies as well and probably the full OB planning sheet somewhere! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don?t know about sound. > > I think I have RT copies as well and probably the full OB planning sheet somewhere! > > Mike > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ED07.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 609855 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Mar 27 12:57:07 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:57:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Royal wedding 1981 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ddb293c-49bd-89df-950c-b729cf8f6e9d@btinternet.com> No, the Beeb did the Cathedral, I was there standing overlooking the whole thing from the Triforium level, the only TV sound person in there! Radio OBs were in the basement and the comm. box was too small for extra people. Cheers, Dave On 27/03/2021 16:54, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I thought you might like to see these. In my rummagings and foragings > I?ve just re-discovered original unopened copies of Radio Times and TV > Times for the week of the Charles and Diana wedding. They are in > slightly discoloured but otherwise mint condition having been stored > in poly bags all this time. One shows camera positions, so might be of > interest. > But am I right in thinking that Thames TV did the Cathedral? And I > think it was touch and go whether there would be an ITV strike, > because I remember that I had all my St Paul?s recording gear in the > basement BBC sound control room on standby. On the other hand, I might > have got that wrong and I was on standby for the Silver Jubilee in > 1977. We had just completed recording all the Jubilee music for a > Guild LP, GRSP7010. > My B-in-L Barry Rose got his OBE following this event. That, and the > fact that he had been secretly taking the choristers to St James > Palace on a regular basis for private informal musical entertainment > for the Queen Mum, as he used to call her (though probably not to her > face!) > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1283130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1439587 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 27 14:05:38 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 19:05:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Royal wedding 1981 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Impressive! Now the other thing I have from that day, and the reason for my curiosity, is an audio cassette labelled ?Royal Wedding - ITV Clean feed? (i.e. no commentary). Given to me by Thames Head of Sound, whose name I?m ashamed to say escapes me at the moment (it?ll come to me as soon as I click ?send?). So presumably it was a BBC clean feed sent to them? Anyway, this suggests that my standby setup was in the run-up to the 1977 Jubilee service, which was back in my BBC days. Potential clash of interests there! We had issued several records in ?76 and ?77, plus a single that made it to No13 in the pop charts, and recorded a series of seven organ recitals on the Noel Mander renovated organ. That in itself was a big deal to organ nerds like me. Google says the ITV strike did eventually happen in 1979. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Mar 2021, at 17:36, Mike Jordan wrote: ? Cathedral was certainly all BBC for video. Don?t know about sound. I think I have RT copies as well and probably the full OB planning sheet somewhere! Mike [cid:C50E58C9-4AE5-4569-AC44-DCE42D3A9DD7] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Charles&Di_Wedding_1981_St_Pauls_Vehicles.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 848354 bytes Desc: Charles&Di_Wedding_1981_St_Pauls_Vehicles.jpg URL: From Waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 27 14:25:32 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 19:25:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Royal wedding 1981 In-Reply-To: <9ddb293c-49bd-89df-950c-b729cf8f6e9d@btinternet.com> References: , <9ddb293c-49bd-89df-950c-b729cf8f6e9d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I was in the organ loft observing! So you weren?t the only TV sound person there - although I wasn?t there in any professional role. One thing that I?ll never forget was the huge crowds inside and outside, and the sensation you get when the ?room? is live to countless millions of people. And then the following evening B-in-L Barry and I were the only two people in the entire mostly dark cathedral, and the incredible sense of quiet and stillness. All those millions of people gone. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Mar 2021, at 17:57, dave.mdv wrote: ? No, the Beeb did the Cathedral, I was there standing overlooking the whole thing from the Triforium level, the only TV sound person in there! Radio OBs were in the basement and the comm. box was too small for extra people. Cheers, Dave On 27/03/2021 16:54, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: I thought you might like to see these. In my rummagings and foragings I?ve just re-discovered original unopened copies of Radio Times and TV Times for the week of the Charles and Diana wedding. 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Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1439587 bytes Desc: image1.jpeg URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sat Mar 27 14:35:17 2021 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 19:35:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 In-Reply-To: <605f3578.1c69fb81.d21d8.a9ab@mx.google.com> References: <605cf765.1c69fb81.adc5a.bb25SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0d8f0351-61e8-e528-b41e-ec579c1a4e16@howell61.f9.co.uk> <605f3578.1c69fb81.d21d8.a9ab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Pat, The control rooms were still 'backstage' when this was taken, I think it was when the crew was doing a run of "This is Your Life" in November/December 1963. Sound Sup. was George Ageros. Best wishes John (Hibou). On 27/03/2021 13:39, patheigham wrote: > > Hi Hibou, > > Was this photo when the control rooms at TVT were moved to the circle? > I only remember them as being backstage, when there was a vidicon > camera mounted on the circle to give view of the stage. > > (It was nice to see you at Pete Rose?s funeral, with a beer or two > afterwards. I was amazed at the turn-out, mostly from his church I > think, but ? glad that there was a presence from TVC) > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *John Howell via Tech1 > *Sent: *26 March 2021 21:38 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 > > Hi David, > > Attached is a photo of myself doing a spot of plugging in TVT. > > I hope this is useful, > > John H. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Noise was/is more of a problem with germanium, hiss, pops and > LF grumbles?.. Perhaps they were better when new. > > > > On the subject of Pye kit we need to find a lot of the original style Pye > Knobs along with any number of other items. > > Best Regards > > > > Brian Summers > Broadcast Television Technology Trust > Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333 > > Camberley, England. > > *Contact* *Email *brian at mcr21.org.uk > *Find out more *www.mcr21.org.uk | www.bttt.org.uk > *Support us *Make a Donation > | Become a Volunteer > > *Phone* (+44) 01276677879 > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *David > Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* 27 March 2021 12:24 > *To:* John Howell > *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Blue Peter....and TC1 > > > > John, > > As Richard Ellis, the Pye TVT historian has virtually no information on > the wrap-around Pye desks, and I've been struggling to find any. The photos > from Barry and Nick are so good to see and now you've been able to tell me > the sizes of the TVC desks...hey I wasn't even sure how many of the studios > after TC1 had got them. > > Do you any documentation? > > I think I'd like to produce a drawing of the layout. The TC1 desk, like > the ATV consoles, appears to have '9 Bays', but obviously they are broken > down into fader sections and group and monitoring ones. > > When were they installed as presumably the Operator Notes dated 1971 were > after installation? > An ATV desk appeared in a Wireless World news clip in December 1961: > > [image: > 1961-December-Wireless-World-1961-12-Pic-of-ATV-Elstree-Pye-mixer-19.jpg] > > And TV Centre TC1 opened in the summer of 1963. Therefore these must have > been germanium transistor desks, with silicon transistors not getting into > consoles until say the late '60's.. So perhaps Bob Barrass's team in the > audio department at Pye re-designed the audio amps for later desks? Rupert > Neve says germanium's were very hard to keep consistent and were always > prone to thermal runaway. Which raises another question.... if germanium, > what cooling did they need? I believe ATV had external fans in use cooling > their desks at Elstree. Even the germanium Pye OB desks, as in that 20 > channel MCR21 one, must have run hot I guess. > > > > Many thanks > > > > David > > www.postfade.co.uk > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 at 11:18, John Howell via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Yes Nick, the 2N3055 was a workhorse power transistor of the day from RCA. > > The operator's instructions for the Pye desk were issued on 22nd March > 1971 (50 years ago!). TC1 43 channels, TC6 36 channels, TC7 30 channels. > > The spec. for the Pye channel amplifiers called for the capability to feed > +23dbs into 600 ohms which requires something approaching a power amplifier. > > Regards, > > John H. > > > > On 26/03/2021 23:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Those empty mic amp holes were just right for keeping a bottle of beer > cool when you knew you weren?t going to make it to the bar before it > closed. If there weren?t any empty holes, you had to decide what channels > you could do without. Priorities! > > Does 2N3055 ring a bell, John? Two on the back panel of every one of those > Pye modules. Never understood why a mic amp needed power output transistors. > > > > Hope that?s not too much audio chat. Just in case, I?ll mention that the > last time I saw an EMI 2001 was at Sussex University, where it was being > used in the TV studio green room as a coffee table. Sad but true. > > Cheers, > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:38, John Howell via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > Hi David, > > The first desk in TC7 was a Pye, but I didn't think it had germanium > transistors. I remember burning my fingers on the switching transistors in > the Pye 4060 compressor/Limiter so I doubt this was germanium based. The > 4060 was well regarded as it removed energy from the signal rather than > just 'squashing' it. Several were modified for use in other studios and in > Mexico for the World Cup in 1986. > > Talking of which, I sub-mixed for the World Cup on a 'portable' Pye 4 > channel mixer in 1966. Remember "Goooooooooooooooal? > > Attached is a photo of myself doing a spot of plugging in TVT. > > I hope this is useful, > > John H. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11136 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Robin Sutherland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjcnvQkcjQ From alanaudio at me.com Sun Mar 28 04:25:20 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:25:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ben Nevis Ice Climb In-Reply-To: <9D148D8B-BB0B-4DA0-AF0D-8F15BA4D8558@ukgateway.net> References: <9D148D8B-BB0B-4DA0-AF0D-8F15BA4D8558@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: Thank you Robin for posting that video. I didn?t realise that the film had survived. I was working at the mid point, which was shown multiple times in the film. There?s even a shot of me there. It was certainly an adventure! I never flew with John Poland, it seemed so much easier to get flights in Dave Clem?s helicopter, but maybe you explained the reason. The helicopters were flying heavily laden in conditions which were at the limits of what was possible. Dave Clem liked to take advantage of updraughts on the mountain to gain altitude quickly. Unfortunately for every updraught there is a corresponding downdraught. On one occasion I was in the front passenger seat and two or three marines were in the back. We were at quite a respectable altitude of a few hundred feet above the ground when we got caught in a bad downdraught. In order to re-establish control, Dave needed to dive sharply so that we were going down faster than the wind, which meant that we dropped more than three hundred feet in just a few seconds, pulling out at great speed, swooping just a few feet above the ground ( explanation was given by Dave that evening in the bar, I don?t know if it is a proper aeronautical manoeuvre, or whether he was playing silly buggers and making up an excuse ). It was certainly a hugely memorable experience seeing the ground get close so rapidly. The marines were not impressed at all. They were accustomed to flying in Sea Kings, which had the ability to go up, along and down in all conditions in a very controlled manner. When the marines got out, they used some robust language to provide their feedback about that trip. It might be better not reported verbatim, but the essence of it was ? That?s enough - I?m walking up the mountain next time?. There was a lot of frustration concerning the making of that film. The helicopters had done a terrific job of getting equipment and supplies up to where they were needed, but quite a lot of gear and essential supplies were still at the base camp near the scanners. The decision was made to redeploy the helicopters to shoot that film and resume lifting the gear the next day. However the weather took an unexpected turn for the worse and the next day was unsuitable for flying and the weather stayed bad for a few days. At the time there was a certain amount of anger that poncing about in the helicopters for non-essential filming was putting at risk the show we were actually supposed to be making. There was a hell of a lot of ?told you so? when the weather subsequently closed in. I did get the first exploratory flight up towards the mid point on one bad flying day, but we couldn?t get to the midpoint itself. Instead Dave asked me if I would be OK if he dropped me off by means of a one-skid landing. The bad flying conditions meant that there was no level area accessible to the helicopter near the midpoint, so instead he flew sideways towards a ridge and plonked one skid firmly onto it, with the other skid in mid air. It?s important when leaving the helicopter under those circumstances to stop as soon as your feet touch the ground. If you walk away from the helicopter on the rising ground, you risk walking into the rotors. After the helicopter flew away, I realised that I couldn?t see our mid point and visibility wasn?t too good either, which meant that mountain features couldn?t be identified. I guessed where to head but was wrong and did quite a detour without paths or route markers before I identified where I needed to be going. It turned out that I had been dropped off not too far from the mid point and could have saved a lot of effort if I had set off in the correct direction. Some of the crew at the summit stayed in the tents overnight and others walked down roped together and wearing crampons, with experienced mountain guides front and back. One of the sound guys, Colin Andrews, always wore glasses and his breath froze on his glasses making it impossible to see, but if he took them off, he couldn?t see much either. Without helicopters we had to carry equipment and supplies to the midpoint. It was quite a strenuous treck even unladen. Possibly the most impressive effort was from Simon Betts who carried up 20 litre Jerry can of fuel for our generator. It was strapped to a rucksack frame and he ascended the mountain at quite a pace. Walking on snow covered mountains could be challenging. Paths are concealed, so you just walk where you think is best. Sometimes you sink into deep patches of powder snow. Mountains have lots of little streams running down them and many of these streams still flow under the snow, melting a little tube to run in, quite invisible on the surface. I trod on the snow above one of these streams and my foot sank down right into the stream, effectively making a dam. The water then flowed up my trouser leg and out of my sleeve. Everybody with me thought it was hilarious, but I was less amused by it than they were, although I can see the funny side now. I found my diary for that year, expecting to discover all sorts of fascinating details, but there was very little information concerning those ten days, just a lot of notes reminding me to claim for meal periods worked through. Alan Taylor > On 27 Mar 2021, at 21:54, Robin Sutherland wrote: > > ?For Alan Taylor and anyone else who?s interested I?ve finally found the documentary made about the ill fated Ben Nevis Ice Climb OB in 1983 recently mentioned on the forum. > > It certainly gives a flavour of the problems encountered with the dreadful weather. Most of the doc was shot by a film crew [Ian Kennedy] but I do recognise a few interviews that I did on the main site camera. > > The two helicopter pilots we worked with were like chalk and cheese -John Poland was cool calm and inspired total confidence and Dave Clem scared everyone to death - all his passengers thought it was their last trip? > > Robin Sutherland > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjcnvQkcjQ From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Mon Mar 29 06:32:24 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:32:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] A blast from the past Message-ID: <38215c01-e36b-41f2-facc-f61a5fc7f643@btinternet.com> If you turn to 'A Tech-Ops History - in stories and pictures' you'll find 'Maurice Fleisher - his working life', including a Daily Mail picture from 1956 with several faces that old-lags may recognise. I've attached the full Daily Mail article and a cinemascope jpeg kindly sent on by Maurice who is on the camera + Houston pedestal.? Also a closer look at those 'technicians' standing near him, bottom left of the picture. [I tried to insert the edited version below, but can't turn it the right way up]. Names please!? In addition to Maurice, he and I recognise Ken Twitchen, Roger Brunskill, Gordon Blockley, Laurie Duley, John Farr and possibly Rachel Blayney.? Mark Lewis is on the early Vinten dolly tracked by Dave Thomson in the full picture.? So how about any other names to the faces?. Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:32 PM To: Tech1 at tech-ops Cc: Maurice Fleisher Subject: [Tech1] A blast from the past If you turn to 'A Tech-Ops History - in stories and pictures' you'll find 'Maurice Fleisher - his working life', including a Daily Mail picture from 1956 with several faces that old-lags may recognise. I've attached the full Daily Mail article and a cinemascope jpeg kindly sent on by Maurice who is on the camera + Houston pedestal. Also a closer look at those 'technicians' standing near him, bottom left of the picture. [I tried to insert the edited version below, but can't turn it the right way up]. Names please! In addition to Maurice, he and I recognise Ken Twitchen, Roger Brunskill, Gordon Blockley, Laurie Duley, John Farr and possibly Rachel Blayney. Mark Lewis is on the early Vinten dolly tracked by Dave Thomson in the full picture. So how about any other names to the faces?. 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Also a > closer look at those 'technicians' standing near him, bottom left of > the picture. [I tried to insert the edited version below, but can't > turn it the right way up]. > > Names please!? In addition to Maurice, he and I recognise Ken > Twitchen, Roger Brunskill, Gordon Blockley, Laurie Duley, John Farr > and possibly Rachel Blayney.? Mark Lewis is on the early Vinten dolly > tracked by Dave Thomson in the full picture.? So how about any other > names to the faces?. > > Hugh > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Crew 6. 1956 full frame.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 621601 bytes Desc: not available URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Mon Mar 29 12:58:11 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 18:58:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Advice Message-ID: Hi, Can I ask for some advice. Please Between August 2014- August 2015 we used Hamptons as a agent to rent out a property in Tunbridge Wells. It was not a happy experience Added to the fact I was nursing my mother and one or two other things were going on. They asked for ?500 contingency money. It was frankly a relief to get rid of them They were terrible and we have used a smaller company ever since with no issues and I clean forgot about the Contingency fund. 2 weeks ago I received an email saying that could they pay the money - almost 6 years later. No money for loss of interest on this money - or compensation for loss of interest. They are adamant that they do not owe us anything ( they do not use interest accounts for customers money apparently, but I think they should ? Am I being silly thinking this or is there something in law of something that says they should. I know its not electrical or anything but ?500 is not a small amount of money in my book to hold for 6 years with out a sorry attached ? Take care, Thank you, Sara From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Mar 29 17:03:38 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:03:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! Message-ID: <5fa17ccc-a6d3-7f51-1988-244b61e2b296@btinternet.com> When? we were on holiday in the Scilly Isles in the 70s we did exactly the same thing, from one of their tourist launches, out to the Bishop Rock lighthouse which had lots of jagged rocks around it and not smooth walls like this one! It was quite exciting! Nowadays, they have spoilt the fun by putting a helipad on top! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lighthose crew change.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 7449571 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Mar 29 17:50:08 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:50:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! In-Reply-To: <5fa17ccc-a6d3-7f51-1988-244b61e2b296@btinternet.com> References: <5fa17ccc-a6d3-7f51-1988-244b61e2b296@btinternet.com> Message-ID: But it begs the question as to how on earth they built these things! Mike G > On 29 Mar 2021, at 23:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > When we were on holiday in the Scilly Isles in the 70s we did exactly the same thing, from one of their tourist launches, out to the Bishop Rock lighthouse which had lots of jagged rocks around it and not smooth walls like this one! It was quite exciting! Nowadays, they have spoilt the fun by putting a helipad on top! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Mar 29 17:56:00 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:56:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! In-Reply-To: References: <5fa17ccc-a6d3-7f51-1988-244b61e2b296@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Very carefully! You can't get the sea to retreat while you do it so it must be a very clever strategy! Cheers, Dave On 29/03/2021 23:50, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > But it begs the question as to how on earth they built these things! > > Mike G > >> On 29 Mar 2021, at 23:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> When we were on holiday in the Scilly Isles in the 70s we did exactly the same thing, from one of their tourist launches, out to the Bishop Rock lighthouse which had lots of jagged rocks around it and not smooth walls like this one! It was quite exciting! Nowadays, they have spoilt the fun by putting a helipad on top! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 30 01:56:55 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 07:56:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! In-Reply-To: References: <5fa17ccc-a6d3-7f51-1988-244b61e2b296@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6062cbb7.1c69fb81.1ed43.dbc2@mx.google.com> This link throws some ?light? on the construction! https://www.trinityhouse.co.uk/lighthouses-and-lightvessels/bishop-rock-lighthouse Dave?s attached video suggests something that John Noakes might have been conned into doing , for Blue Peter! One job I was on was to go up in a camera chopper to film the end of a transatlantic yacht race ? think the Eddystone light was the finishing post. We landed on the helipad, and I remember looking down through the grid, and thinking it was an awful long way down to the rocks. This picture has been around for ages, but I still think it?s fortunate that the door wasn?t on the other side! Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 29 March 2021 23:50 To: Tech Ops Cc: Phil Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scary video! But it begs the question as to how on earth they built these things! Mike G > On 29 Mar 2021, at 23:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > When we were on holiday in the Scilly Isles in the 70s we did exactly the same thing, from one of their tourist launches, out to the Bishop Rock lighthouse which had lots of jagged rocks around it and not smooth walls like this one! It was quite exciting! Nowadays, they have spoilt the fun by putting a helipad on top! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C305D4F9949243848EF82733A2C59D75.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 47564 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Mar 30 04:06:53 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 10:06:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! In-Reply-To: <5fa17ccc-a6d3-7f51-1988-244b61e2b296@btinternet.com> References: <5fa17ccc-a6d3-7f51-1988-244b61e2b296@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <32D133511D47429B9C81A05FCE3B1B89@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I'd love to see this but I can't open the MP4 file - error code 0xc10100be. It won't open in Windows Media Player, VLC Media player or Windows 'Films & TV'. Same problem on two different PC's. Does this mean I have a corrupted version of the file? Any help suggestions appreciated. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:03 PM To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! When we were on holiday in the Scilly Isles in the 70s we did exactly the same thing, from one of their tourist launches, out to the Bishop Rock lighthouse which had lots of jagged rocks around it and not smooth walls like this one! It was quite exciting! Nowadays, they have spoilt the fun by putting a helipad on top! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 30 04:33:08 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 09:33:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! Message-ID: It plays on my iPad OK. But it?s 7.4 MB, so has it exceeded your email attachment size limit? Google that error code and you might be able to fix it. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Mar 2021, at 10:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I'd love to see this but I can't open the MP4 file - error code 0xc10100be. It won't open in Windows Media Player, VLC Media player or Windows 'Films & TV'. Same problem on two different PC's. Does this mean I have a corrupted version of the file? Any help suggestions appreciated. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:03 PM > To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! > > When we were on holiday in the Scilly Isles in the 70s we did exactly > the same thing, from one of their tourist launches, out to the Bishop > Rock lighthouse which had lots of jagged rocks around it and not smooth > walls like this one! It was quite exciting! Nowadays, they have spoilt > the fun by putting a helipad on top! Cheers, Dave > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 30 06:27:59 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:27:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks Message-ID: <4B51E519-4E62-4165-893E-E813EEA526AC@me.com> I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas. Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year. Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally, more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU. I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats. The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities. Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used? There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright ... A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is. Ideally in a rural setting. Interior pictures of the LPU and LMCR Pictures of the LPU or LMCR on drama locations. A picture showing both the LMCR and LPU together. Alan Taylor From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 30 06:50:15 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:50:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <4B51E519-4E62-4165-893E-E813EEA526AC@me.com> References: <4B51E519-4E62-4165-893E-E813EEA526AC@me.com> Message-ID: <60631077.1c69fb81.f0beb.7bb2@mx.google.com> Alan, While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. The tale I learned about was that Bob Wright lit it, using his sparks crew holding pups or redheads on poles, for easy movement around narrow corridors. They got christened ?Boblights?! I?ve no idea if it was a totally BBC production, with imported scanners, or a joint production with Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR) However, fishing about, I found this: The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. Producer Peter Luke decided not to cast big stars in order to make a better ensemble, but his talent spotting was impressive. Rising star Christopher Plummer was Hamlet, with Michael Caine as Horatio. Robert Shaw was Claudius and June Tobin played Gertrude. Alec Clunes was Polonius and Jo Maxwell Muller was Ophelia. Donald Sutherland, Steven Berkoff, Roy Kinnear and Lindsay Kemp appeared further down the cast list. Plummer was nominated for an Emmy for his performance. Kronborg Castle ? Home of Hamlet In Hamlet, Shakespeare called Kronborg Castle Elsinore. This has become the English name for Helsing?r. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 30 March 2021 12:28 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas. Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year. Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally, more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU. I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats. The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities. Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used? There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright ... A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is. Ideally in a rural setting. Interior pictures of the LPU and LMCR Pictures of the LPU or LMCR on drama locations. A picture showing both the LMCR and LPU together. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 30 07:02:55 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:02:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore Message-ID: <6063136f.1c69fb81.1e442.87c8@mx.google.com> There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. Pat From: patheigham Sent: 30 March 2021 12:50 To: Alan Taylor; tech1 Subject: RE: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks Alan, While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 30 08:10:31 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:10:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! Message-ID: Some time ago I worked with ?my? 60 Minutes cameraman on a ?piece? about how the long dark winters, and being indoors for too many months, affects people?s health in places such as the Northern parts of Norway and Sweden. We followed a plane load of Norwegian families who were sent on vacation at State expense to a government funded holiday resort in Turkey. The break had a profound effect on their physical and mental health (and ours!). Suddenly, today we have beautiful brilliant sunshine, and the wind has dropped. In the nicest possible way, I get the sense that some of you folk have been in lockdown too long - I know I have - and I urge you all to get out into the countryside and fresh air. Yesterday we walked about 4 miles around Elstead Common with no1 daughter. Today we?re about to trek up Leith Hill with the dogs. Up there, there is no traffic to be heard, and only very occasional aircraft (long may that last!). Just to listen to the birdsong is bliss, and to be able to see all the way to the South Downs (not normally possible), and they do fabulous hot sausage rolls, soups and snacks up at the Leith Hill tower! This video keeps popping up on my Youtube home-page, and I don?t know what it is about it, but I would go there now if I could! Enjoy the infectious nature of the music in this video, and people looking happy and contented. It looks like a posh version of our Butlins, but being Germany, it would be. And while we?re about it, try to figure out how the ?flying? shots were done. https://tinyurl.com/zy83aww Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 30 08:17:00 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 13:17:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That tinyurl doesn?t seem to work try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKxALQvzpF0 Or search Wolkenfrei - Champs-Elysees N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Mar 2021, at 14:10, Nick Ware wrote: > > ?Some time ago I worked with ?my? 60 Minutes cameraman on a ?piece? about how the long dark winters, and being indoors for too many months, affects people?s health in places such as the Northern parts of Norway and Sweden. We followed a plane load of Norwegian families who were sent on vacation at State expense to a government funded holiday resort in Turkey. The break had a profound effect on their physical and mental health (and ours!). > Suddenly, today we have beautiful brilliant sunshine, and the wind has dropped. In the nicest possible way, I get the sense that some of you folk have been in lockdown too long - I know I have - and I urge you all to get out into the countryside and fresh air. > Yesterday we walked about 4 miles around Elstead Common with no1 daughter. Today we?re about to trek up Leith Hill with the dogs. Up there, there is no traffic to be heard, and only very occasional aircraft (long may that last!). Just to listen to the birdsong is bliss, and to be able to see all the way to the South Downs (not normally possible), and they do fabulous hot sausage rolls, soups and snacks up at the Leith Hill tower! > > This video keeps popping up on my Youtube home-page, and I don?t know what it is about it, but I would go there now if I could! Enjoy the infectious nature of the music in this video, and people looking happy and contented. It looks like a posh version of our Butlins, but being Germany, it would be. And while we?re about it, try to figure out how the ?flying? shots were done. > https://tinyurl.com/zy83aww > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 08:25:42 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:25:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101d72568$2f85e6d0$8e91b470$@gmail.com> Nick, Your link not working for me Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 30 March 2021 14:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! Some time ago I worked with ?my? 60 Minutes cameraman on a ?piece? about how the long dark winters, and being indoors for too many months, affects people?s health in places such as the Northern parts of Norway and Sweden. We followed a plane load of Norwegian families who were sent on vacation at State expense to a government funded holiday resort in Turkey. The break had a profound effect on their physical and mental health (and ours!). Suddenly, today we have beautiful brilliant sunshine, and the wind has dropped. In the nicest possible way, I get the sense that some of you folk have been in lockdown too long - I know I have - and I urge you all to get out into the countryside and fresh air. Yesterday we walked about 4 miles around Elstead Common with no1 daughter. Today we?re about to trek up Leith Hill with the dogs. Up there, there is no traffic to be heard, and only very occasional aircraft (long may that last!). Just to listen to the birdsong is bliss, and to be able to see all the way to the South Downs (not normally possible), and they do fabulous hot sausage rolls, soups and snacks up at the Leith Hill tower! This video keeps popping up on my Youtube home-page, and I don?t know what it is about it, but I would go there now if I could! Enjoy the infectious nature of the music in this video, and people looking happy and contented. It looks like a posh version of our Butlins, but being Germany, it would be. And while we?re about it, try to figure out how the ?flying? shots were done. https://tinyurl.com/zy83aww Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Mar 30 08:39:34 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:39:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Nick - attachment limits not a problem but a sensible suggestion. The error code is a 'catch all' for any number of possible reasons for failure to open videos. At risk of being laughed at for the antiquarian nature of my email set up I have to report that, as I thought a corrupted file was quite likely, I went to my webmail where my current setting is to preserve messages on the server for a few days and forwarded the original email to myself. On receipt of this for a second time I had no problem opening the attached MP4 video, proving I suppose that for some reason when I first received the email the attachment became corrupted. Thanks to Pat also who was good enough to attempt sending the video independently only to coincidentally find my mailbox full. That lasted for a couple of hours as I was out until lunchtime and have only just now dealt with it. Pat also took the trouble to 'phone while I was out and left a message as to what he had tried to do. Sorry to have created effort for you both unnecessarily. Spectacular footage though! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 10:33 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scary video! It plays on my iPad OK. But it?s 7.4 MB, so has it exceeded your email attachment size limit? Google that error code and you might be able to fix it. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Mar 2021, at 10:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?I'd love to see this but I can't open the MP4 file - error code > 0xc10100be. It won't open in Windows Media Player, VLC Media player or > Windows 'Films & TV'. Same problem on two different PC's. Does this mean I > have a corrupted version of the file? Any help suggestions appreciated. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:03 PM > To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! > > When we were on holiday in the Scilly Isles in the 70s we did exactly > the same thing, from one of their tourist launches, out to the Bishop > Rock lighthouse which had lots of jagged rocks around it and not smooth > walls like this one! It was quite exciting! Nowadays, they have spoilt > the fun by putting a helipad on top! Cheers, Dave > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 30 09:04:43 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:04:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60632ffa.1c69fb81.1fcb4.af30@mx.google.com> Glad you got it working, Dave N. Did you have your seasick pills ready? Reminds me of a nervous passenger asking what the best thing was for seasickness: ?Bananas!? ?Will it stop me being sick?? ?No, but it?s about the only thing that tastes reasonable the second time around!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt Sent: 30 March 2021 14:39 To: Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Pat Heigham Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scary video! Thanks Nick - attachment limits not a problem but a sensible suggestion. The error code is a 'catch all' for any number of possible reasons for failure to open videos. At risk of being laughed at for the antiquarian nature of my email set up I have to report that, as I thought a corrupted file was quite likely, I went to my webmail where my current setting is to preserve messages on the server for a few days and forwarded the original email to myself. On receipt of this for a second time I had no problem opening the attached MP4 video, proving I suppose that for some reason when I first received the email the attachment became corrupted. Thanks to Pat also who was good enough to attempt sending the video independently only to coincidentally find my mailbox full. That lasted for a couple of hours as I was out until lunchtime and have only just now dealt with it. Pat also took the trouble to 'phone while I was out and left a message as to what he had tried to do. Sorry to have created effort for you both unnecessarily. Spectacular footage though! Dave Newbitt. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Mar 30 09:15:15 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:15:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <736BF59D087945D2B8255477BF0D7AE9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Well I'm glad that URL works - most enjoyable! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:17 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! That tinyurl doesn?t seem to work try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKxALQvzpF0 Or search Wolkenfrei - Champs-Elysees N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Mar 2021, at 14:10, Nick Ware wrote: > > ?Some time ago I worked with ?my? 60 Minutes cameraman on a ?piece? about > how the long dark winters, and being indoors for too many months, affects > people?s health in places such as the Northern parts of Norway and Sweden. > We followed a plane load of Norwegian families who were sent on vacation > at State expense to a government funded holiday resort in Turkey. The > break had a profound effect on their physical and mental health (and > ours!). > Suddenly, today we have beautiful brilliant sunshine, and the wind has > dropped. In the nicest possible way, I get the sense that some of you folk > have been in lockdown too long - I know I have - and I urge you all to get > out into the countryside and fresh air. > Yesterday we walked about 4 miles around Elstead Common with no1 daughter. > Today we?re about to trek up Leith Hill with the dogs. Up there, there is > no traffic to be heard, and only very occasional aircraft (long may that > last!). Just to listen to the birdsong is bliss, and to be able to see all > the way to the South Downs (not normally possible), and they do fabulous > hot sausage rolls, soups and snacks up at the Leith Hill tower! > > This video keeps popping up on my Youtube home-page, and I don?t know what > it is about it, but I would go there now if I could! Enjoy the infectious > nature of the music in this video, and people looking happy and contented. > It looks like a posh version of our Butlins, but being Germany, it would > be. And while we?re about it, try to figure out how the ?flying? shots > were done. > https://tinyurl.com/zy83aww > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Mar 30 09:20:47 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:20:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scary video! Message-ID: I spent a day with the RNLI, who wanted to show us how good their boat was in the rough waters off Beachy Head. I was VERY seasick. They gave me copious quantities of Fanta, because it tastes exactly the same on the way up as it did on the way down. Doug From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 30 09:24:07 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:24:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60633486.1c69fb81.ea275.898d@mx.google.com> The label suggest that it was set up in Paris? Flying shots ? the establisher has to be from the roof of a tall building. Other than that I would reckon on a crane? I was channel surfing the other night and happened across a concert set up by the Dutch violinist Andre Rieu, from the main Square in Maastrich. Quite a splendid effort and his orchestra were really enjoying themselves. He had 100 dancers waltzing down the aisles between the audience ? quite a sight. Think it?s repeated on Sky Arts (FV11) at 16:30 and again at 06:00 Thurs 8th, same channel. There?s also a repeat of The John Wilson Orchestra Presents Cole Porter ? 07:00 2nd April (Good Friday) again on Sky Arts Ch11. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 30 March 2021 14:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! That tinyurl doesn?t seem to work try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKxALQvzpF0 Or search Wolkenfrei - Champs-Elysees N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Mar 2021, at 14:10, Nick Ware wrote: > > ?Some time ago I worked with ?my? 60 Minutes cameraman on a ?piece? about how the long dark winters, and being indoors for too many months, affects people?s health in places such as the Northern parts of Norway and Sweden. We followed a plane load of Norwegian families who were sent on vacation at State expense to a government funded holiday resort in Turkey. The break had a profound effect on their physical and mental health (and ours!). > Suddenly, today we have beautiful brilliant sunshine, and the wind has dropped. In the nicest possible way, I get the sense that some of you folk have been in lockdown too long - I know I have - and I urge you all to get out into the countryside and fresh air. > Yesterday we walked about 4 miles around Elstead Common with no1 daughter. Today we?re about to trek up Leith Hill with the dogs. Up there, there is no traffic to be heard, and only very occasional aircraft (long may that last!). Just to listen to the birdsong is bliss, and to be able to see all the way to the South Downs (not normally possible), and they do fabulous hot sausage rolls, soups and snacks up at the Leith Hill tower! > > This video keeps popping up on my Youtube home-page, and I don?t know what it is about it, but I would go there now if I could! Enjoy the infectious nature of the music in this video, and people looking happy and contented. It looks like a posh version of our Butlins, but being Germany, it would be. And while we?re about it, try to figure out how the ?flying? shots were done. > https://tinyurl.com/zy83aww > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 30 10:16:42 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:16:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <6063136f.1c69fb81.1e442.87c8@mx.google.com> References: <6063136f.1c69fb81.1e442.87c8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. I assume that it must have been shot on film. Alan Taylor > On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham wrote: > ? > There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. > I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. > Pat > > > From: patheigham > Sent: 30 March 2021 12:50 > To: Alan Taylor; tech1 > Subject: RE: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks > > Alan, > While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. > The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 30 10:37:31 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:37:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! Message-ID: ? ?My guess that it?s a multi-point cable suspension. Flyonix, maybe. I?ve seen go-anywhere cabled cameras on figure skating, etc.. I expect our camera experts will know. You get glimpses of two peds and a steadicam, plus whatever does the aerials, which obviously can?t be a drone over all that audience. Not Paris, I don?t think. The words translate as (approximately): ?Magic of Paris I still feel the magic, The city of love for you and me..?, etc. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 30 Mar 2021, at 15:24, patheigham wrote: ? The label suggest that it was set up in Paris? Flying shots ? the establisher has to be from the roof of a tall building. Other than that I would reckon on a crane? I was channel surfing the other night and happened across a concert set up by the Dutch violinist Andre Rieu, from the main Square in Maastrich. Quite a splendid effort and his orchestra were really enjoying themselves. He had 100 dancers waltzing down the aisles between the audience ? quite a sight. Think it?s repeated on Sky Arts (FV11) at 16:30 and again at 06:00 Thurs 8th, same channel. There?s also a repeat of The John Wilson Orchestra Presents Cole Porter ? 07:00 2nd April (Good Friday) again on Sky Arts Ch11. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 30 March 2021 14:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! That tinyurl doesn?t seem to work try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKxALQvzpF0 Or search Wolkenfrei - Champs-Elysees N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Mar 2021, at 14:10, Nick Ware wrote: > > ?Some time ago I worked with ?my? 60 Minutes cameraman on a ?piece? about how the long dark winters, and being indoors for too many months, affects people?s health in places such as the Northern parts of Norway and Sweden. We followed a plane load of Norwegian families who were sent on vacation at State expense to a government funded holiday resort in Turkey. The break had a profound effect on their physical and mental health (and ours!). > Suddenly, today we have beautiful brilliant sunshine, and the wind has dropped. In the nicest possible way, I get the sense that some of you folk have been in lockdown too long - I know I have - and I urge you all to get out into the countryside and fresh air. > Yesterday we walked about 4 miles around Elstead Common with no1 daughter. Today we?re about to trek up Leith Hill with the dogs. Up there, there is no traffic to be heard, and only very occasional aircraft (long may that last!). Just to listen to the birdsong is bliss, and to be able to see all the way to the South Downs (not normally possible), and they do fabulous hot sausage rolls, soups and snacks up at the Leith Hill tower! > > This video keeps popping up on my Youtube home-page, and I don?t know what it is about it, but I would go there now if I could! Enjoy the infectious nature of the music in this video, and people looking happy and contented. It looks like a posh version of our Butlins, but being Germany, it would be. And while we?re about it, try to figure out how the ?flying? shots were done. > https://tinyurl.com/zy83aww > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 30 11:34:22 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:34:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <60631077.1c69fb81.f0beb.7bb2@mx.google.com> References: <60631077.1c69fb81.f0beb.7bb2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1F254271-2E08-486E-8D5B-5BD02BF379C9@mac.com> There was a spell with Gordon Mackie as Head of Sound at TVC when studio Sound Supervisors were allowed a one month attachment to Kendal Avenue, to follow a few different shows as supernumeraries. I can?t remember the dates that I did my month, but one of the shows I sat in on was with Graham Haines doing John Dankworth and Cleo Laine, at The Talk of the Town, or some such venue, if that helps decide on a date, but the show which is relevant to this thread was Survivors, with the LPU, I?m fairly sure. Ian Lieper was the SS, with John Cox as SA1 - I used his clothes prop Cox-rod invention on several scenes and was flattered by his remarks on my ?boom? operation in awkward places. I?m fairly sure that episode was shot somewhere in Monmouthshire. Gordon said I had a cheek asking for an OB attachment, as I came from Bristol where I frequently worked on OBs, but I don?t think there were many takers and he had a budget to spend or he?d lose it, so off I went with his good grace. I really can?t think of anyone else who took up the offer. Mike G > On 30 Mar 2021, at 12:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Alan, > While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. > The tale I learned about was that Bob Wright lit it, using his sparks crew holding pups or redheads on poles, for easy movement around narrow corridors. They got christened ?Boblights?! > I?ve no idea if it was a totally BBC production, with imported scanners, or a joint production with Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR) > However, fishing about, I found this: The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. > Producer Peter Luke decided not to cast big stars in order to make a better ensemble, but his talent spotting was impressive. Rising star Christopher Plummer was Hamlet, with Michael Caine as Horatio. Robert Shaw was Claudius and June Tobin played Gertrude. Alec Clunes was Polonius and Jo Maxwell Muller was Ophelia. Donald Sutherland, Steven Berkoff, Roy Kinnear and Lindsay Kemp appeared further down the cast list. Plummer was nominated for an Emmy for his performance. > > Kronborg Castle ? Home of Hamlet > In Hamlet, Shakespeare called Kronborg Castle Elsinore. This has become the English name for Helsing?r. > > Regards > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 30 March 2021 12:28 > To: tech1 > Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks > > I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas. > > Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year. Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally, more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU. > > I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats. The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities. Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used? > > There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright ... > A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is. Ideally in a rural setting. > Interior pictures of the LPU and LMCR > Pictures of the LPU or LMCR on drama locations. > A picture showing both the LMCR and LPU together. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Mar 30 11:52:33 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:52:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CCC9F53-BAE6-46E3-9BA4-361208BEC29F@icloud.com> Technocrane possibly. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Mar 2021, at 16:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?My guess that it?s a multi-point cable suspension. Flyonix, maybe. I?ve seen go-anywhere cabled cameras on figure skating, etc.. I expect our camera experts will know. You get glimpses of two peds and a steadicam, plus whatever does the aerials, which obviously can?t be a drone over all that audience. > Not Paris, I don?t think. The words translate as (approximately): > ?Magic of Paris I still feel the magic, > The city of love for you and me..?, etc. > > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 30 Mar 2021, at 15:24, patheigham wrote: >> >> ? >> The label suggest that it was set up in Paris? >> Flying shots ? the establisher has to be from the roof of a tall building. Other than that I would reckon on a crane? >> >> I was channel surfing the other night and happened across a concert set up by the Dutch violinist Andre Rieu, from the main Square in Maastrich. Quite a splendid effort and his orchestra were really enjoying themselves. >> He had 100 dancers waltzing down the aisles between the audience ? quite a sight. >> Think it?s repeated on Sky Arts (FV11) at 16:30 and again at 06:00 Thurs 8th, same channel. >> There?s also a repeat of The John Wilson Orchestra Presents Cole Porter ? 07:00 2nd April (Good Friday) again on Sky Arts Ch11. >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 >> Sent: 30 March 2021 14:17 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sunshine, beer, totty, and music! >> >> That tinyurl doesn?t seem to work try: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKxALQvzpF0 >> Or search Wolkenfrei - Champs-Elysees >> N. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> > On 30 Mar 2021, at 14:10, Nick Ware wrote: >> > >> > ?Some time ago I worked with ?my? 60 Minutes cameraman on a ?piece? about how the long dark winters, and being indoors for too many months, affects people?s health in places such as the Northern parts of Norway and Sweden. We followed a plane load of Norwegian families who were sent on vacation at State expense to a government funded holiday resort in Turkey. The break had a profound effect on their physical and mental health (and ours!). >> > Suddenly, today we have beautiful brilliant sunshine, and the wind has dropped. In the nicest possible way, I get the sense that some of you folk have been in lockdown too long - I know I have - and I urge you all to get out into the countryside and fresh air. >> > Yesterday we walked about 4 miles around Elstead Common with no1 daughter. Today we?re about to trek up Leith Hill with the dogs. Up there, there is no traffic to be heard, and only very occasional aircraft (long may that last!). Just to listen to the birdsong is bliss, and to be able to see all the way to the South Downs (not normally possible), and they do fabulous hot sausage rolls, soups and snacks up at the Leith Hill tower! >> > >> > This video keeps popping up on my Youtube home-page, and I don?t know what it is about it, but I would go there now if I could! Enjoy the infectious nature of the music in this video, and people looking happy and contented. It looks like a posh version of our Butlins, but being Germany, it would be. And while we?re about it, try to figure out how the ?flying? shots were done. >> > https://tinyurl.com/zy83aww >> > Cheers, >> > Nick. >> > >> > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 12:45:41 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 18:45:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] From the Sunday Times Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20210330_184508.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4051236 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 30 14:16:56 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:16:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <1F254271-2E08-486E-8D5B-5BD02BF379C9@mac.com> References: <1F254271-2E08-486E-8D5B-5BD02BF379C9@mac.com> Message-ID: <94D42EF9-33FC-47BD-97CF-03F3A54CF62F@me.com> Well Mike, from my point of view that was an especially interesting time to visit OBs. Can I try jogging your memory? While Cleo & John did do shows from the Talk of the Town, they did others from the Collegiate Theatre ( now known as the Bloomsbury ) and also from the New London Theatre. They were at the collegiate in ?75 and ?76. Do you recall any guests appearing with them? Swingle Singers, Jose Feliciano, Cy Grant? I did a loads of shows with them from their home in Wavendon. The style of the show was very informal with world class guests just dropping in ?unexpectedly? and performing in their house. They were fabulous shows to work on and after the recording, we were welcome to hang out with the artists while the wine flowed and a few impromptu songs were performed. As for The Survivors, there were three series of that show in ?75, ?76, and ?77. For those who don?t remember it, the story was a post-apocalyptic story where civilisation as we know it had largely ceased to exist and people had to find a way of surviving. Series one and two used a sort of eco-hippy commune as the main location and the scanner was the converted RE5, which acquired the name LMCR before dedicated LMCR was commissioned. RE5/LMCR was an experiment to discover what was needed for drama and small programme production. The original RE5 ( Roving Eye 5 ) had been a small, versatile 2 camera B&W scanner and as re-equipped to be a test bed for those sort of shows. Do you happen to remember whether it was the LPU, or RE5/LMCR? The LPU had a separate sound control area. I never worked on RE5, but I believe that the sound desk was in with production, which was the norm for scanners in B&W days. The LPU was completed in 1977 and my understanding is that it was used for Survivors series III. Survivors became a cult programme and there is a lot of info online including on Wiki. If you remember any storylines or specific locations, it might confirm the date. It was a very unlucky production. Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Technical issues, production disputes, copyright claims, industrial action and budget problems. On top of that, the principle location, the self sufficient eco-commune became affected by the fame, disruption and money which came with the show. By series two there was a lot of tension when shooting at the location and by series three, the camp had acrimoniously disbanded and the main location could no longer be used. If Mike or anybody who worked on that show has any memories, it would be good to collect more information about it. The series spanned the transition from experimental video drama to the first custom built scanner for drama. Alan Taylor > On 30 Mar 2021, at 17:34, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > There was a spell with Gordon Mackie as Head of Sound at TVC when studio Sound Supervisors were allowed a one month attachment to Kendal Avenue, to follow a few different shows as supernumeraries. I can?t remember the dates that I did my month, but one of the shows I sat in on was with Graham Haines doing John Dankworth and Cleo Laine, at The Talk of the Town, or some such venue, if that helps decide on a date, but the show which is relevant to this thread was Survivors, with the LPU, I?m fairly sure. Ian Lieper was the SS, with John Cox as SA1 - I used his clothes prop Cox-rod invention on several scenes and was flattered by his remarks on my ?boom? operation in awkward places. I?m fairly sure that episode was shot somewhere in Monmouthshire. > > Gordon said I had a cheek asking for an OB attachment, as I came from Bristol where I frequently worked on OBs, but I don?t think there were many takers and he had a budget to spend or he?d lose it, so off I went with his good grace. I really can?t think of anyone else who took up the offer. > > Mike G > >>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 12:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Alan, >> While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. >> The tale I learned about was that Bob Wright lit it, using his sparks crew holding pups or redheads on poles, for easy movement around narrow corridors. They got christened ?Boblights?! >> I?ve no idea if it was a totally BBC production, with imported scanners, or a joint production with Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR) >> However, fishing about, I found this: The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. >> Producer Peter Luke decided not to cast big stars in order to make a better ensemble, but his talent spotting was impressive. Rising star Christopher Plummer was Hamlet, with Michael Caine as Horatio. Robert Shaw was Claudius and June Tobin played Gertrude. Alec Clunes was Polonius and Jo Maxwell Muller was Ophelia. Donald Sutherland, Steven Berkoff, Roy Kinnear and Lindsay Kemp appeared further down the cast list. Plummer was nominated for an Emmy for his performance. >> >> Kronborg Castle ? Home of Hamlet >> In Hamlet, Shakespeare called Kronborg Castle Elsinore. This has become the English name for Helsing?r. >> >> Regards >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: 30 March 2021 12:28 >> To: tech1 >> Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks >> >> I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas. >> >> Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year. Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally, more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU. >> >> I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats. The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities. Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used? >> >> There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright ... >> A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is. Ideally in a rural setting. >> Interior pictures of the LPU and LMCR >> Pictures of the LPU or LMCR on drama locations. >> A picture showing both the LMCR and LPU together. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Tue Mar 30 14:46:58 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:46:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <94D42EF9-33FC-47BD-97CF-03F3A54CF62F@me.com> Message-ID: I can fill in some things about Survivors. I worked on several episodes. Ian Leiper, Vic Godrich and Robin Luxford were the regular supervisors as I recall. Most were recorded at a place called Callow Hill Farm I think, near Monmouth, with a few odd episodes done elsewhere. One was done in the London Underground tunnels overnight (not one of mine). I remember lots of fun with ck8 capsules fitted on c451s and frequent damage when the fishing rod fell over. Eventually we managed to get 416s instead. I think it was the LPU when I joined the team. Cameras were blue & cream things with a big remote box at the end of a shortish cable?John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 30/03/2021 20:17 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks Well Mike, from my point of view that was an especially interesting time to visit OBs. ?Can I try jogging your memory? ?While Cleo & John did do shows from the Talk of the Town, they did others from the Collegiate Theatre ( now known as the Bloomsbury ) and also from the New London Theatre. ?They were at the collegiate in ?75 and ?76. Do you recall any guests appearing with them? ?Swingle Singers, Jose Feliciano, Cy Grant?I did a loads of shows with them from their home in Wavendon. ?The style of the show was very informal with world class guests just dropping in ?unexpectedly? and performing in their house. They were fabulous shows to work on and after the recording, we were welcome to hang out with the artists while the wine flowed and a few impromptu songs were performed. ?As for The Survivors, there were three series of that show in ?75, ?76, and ?77. ?For those who don?t remember it, the story was a post-apocalyptic story where civilisation as we know it had largely ceased to exist and people had to find a way of surviving. Series one and two used a sort of eco-hippy commune ?as the main location and the scanner was the converted RE5, which acquired the name LMCR before dedicated LMCR was commissioned. ?RE5/LMCR was an experiment to discover what was needed for drama and small programme production. ?The original RE5 ( Roving Eye 5 ) had been a small, versatile 2 camera B&W scanner and as re-equipped to be a test bed for those sort of shows.?Do you happen to remember whether it was the LPU, or RE5/LMCR? ?The LPU had a separate sound control area. ?I never worked on RE5, but I believe that the sound desk was in with production, which was the norm for scanners in B&W days. The LPU was completed in 1977 and my understanding is that it was used for Survivors series III.Survivors became a cult programme and there is a lot of info online including on Wiki. ?If you remember any storylines or specific locations, it might confirm the date.It was a very unlucky production. ?Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong. ?Technical issues, production disputes, copyright claims, industrial action and budget problems. ?On top of that, the principle location, the self sufficient eco-commune became affected by the fame, disruption and money which came with the show. ?By series two there was a lot of tension when shooting at the location and by series three, the camp had acrimoniously disbanded and the main location could no longer be used.If Mike or anybody who worked on that show has any memories, it would be good to collect more information about it. ?The series spanned the transition from experimental video drama to the first custom built scanner for drama.Alan TaylorOn 30 Mar 2021, at 17:34, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:?There was a spell with Gordon Mackie as Head of Sound at TVC when studio Sound Supervisors were allowed a one month attachment to Kendal Avenue, to follow a few different shows as supernumeraries. I can?t remember the dates that I did my month, but one of the shows I sat in on was with Graham Haines doing John Dankworth and Cleo Laine, at The Talk of the Town, or some such venue, if that helps decide on a date, but the show which is relevant to this thread was Survivors, with the LPU, I?m fairly sure. Ian Lieper was the SS, with John Cox as SA1 - I used his clothes prop Cox-rod invention on several scenes and was flattered by his remarks on my ?boom? operation in awkward places. I?m fairly sure that episode was shot somewhere in Monmouthshire.?Gordon said I had a cheek asking for an OB attachment, as I came from Bristol where I frequently worked on OBs, but I don?t think there were many takers and he had a budget to spend or he?d lose it, so off I went with his good grace. I really can?t think of anyone else who took up the offer.?Mike GOn 30 Mar 2021, at 12:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:?Alan,While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore.The tale I learned about was that Bob Wright lit it, using his sparks crew holding pups or redheads on poles, for easy movement around narrow corridors. They got christened ?Boblights?!I?ve no idea if it was a totally BBC production, with imported scanners, or a joint production with Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR)However, fishing about, I found this: The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama.Producer Peter Luke decided not to cast big stars in order to make a better ensemble, but his talent spotting was impressive. Rising star Christopher Plummer was Hamlet, with Michael Caine as Horatio. Robert Shaw was Claudius and June Tobin played Gertrude. Alec Clunes was Polonius and Jo Maxwell Muller was Ophelia. Donald Sutherland, Steven Berkoff, Roy Kinnear and Lindsay Kemp appeared further down the cast list. Plummer was nominated for an Emmy for his performance.Kronborg Castle ? Home of HamletIn Hamlet, Shakespeare called Kronborg Castle Elsinore. This has become the English name for Helsing?r.?RegardsPat??Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: Alan Taylor via Tech1Sent: 30 March 2021 12:28To: tech1Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks?I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas.?Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977?? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year.? Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally,? more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU.?? ?I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats.? The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities.? Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used??There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright? ...?? A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is.? Ideally in a rural setting.?? Interior pictures of the LPU and LMCR?? Pictures of the LPU or LMCR on drama locations.?? A picture showing both the LMCR and LPU together.?Alan Taylor?????? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Mar 30 15:51:06 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 21:51:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <20210330194725.D10E534010B@st11p00im-smtpin003.me.com> References: <20210330194725.D10E534010B@st11p00im-smtpin003.me.com> Message-ID: <8FEA9F75-616D-480E-9D6E-E2CA6D3D50FF@icloud.com> Cameras sound as though they could have been Marconi Mk IX Ps, they had a remote box that had to be failry close to the camera head. They wre arrow-head design with all the mass well forward of the shoulder so you had to have a stomach brace to hold the things up. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Mar 2021, at 20:46, jpn via Tech1 wrote: > > I can fill in some things about Survivors. I worked on several episodes. Ian Leiper, Vic Godrich and Robin Luxford were the regular supervisors as I recall. Most were recorded at a place called Callow Hill Farm I think, near Monmouth, with a few odd episodes done elsewhere. One was done in the London Underground tunnels overnight (not one of mine). I remember lots of fun with ck8 capsules fitted on c451s and frequent damage when the fishing rod fell over. Eventually we managed to get 416s instead. I think it was the LPU when I joined the team. Cameras were blue & cream things with a big remote box at the end of a shortish cable? > > John Nottage > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Date: 30/03/2021 20:17 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks > > Well Mike, from my point of view that was an especially interesting time to visit OBs. Can I try jogging your memory? While Cleo & John did do shows from the Talk of the Town, they did others from the Collegiate Theatre ( now known as the Bloomsbury ) and also from the New London Theatre. They were at the collegiate in ?75 and ?76. Do you recall any guests appearing with them? Swingle Singers, Jose Feliciano, Cy Grant? > > I did a loads of shows with them from their home in Wavendon. The style of the show was very informal with world class guests just dropping in ?unexpectedly? and performing in their house. They were fabulous shows to work on and after the recording, we were welcome to hang out with the artists while the wine flowed and a few impromptu songs were performed. > > As for The Survivors, there were three series of that show in ?75, ?76, and ?77. For those who don?t remember it, the story was a post-apocalyptic story where civilisation as we know it had largely ceased to exist and people had to find a way of surviving. Series one and two used a sort of eco-hippy commune as the main location and the scanner was the converted RE5, which acquired the name LMCR before dedicated LMCR was commissioned. RE5/LMCR was an experiment to discover what was needed for drama and small programme production. The original RE5 ( Roving Eye 5 ) had been a small, versatile 2 camera B&W scanner and as re-equipped to be a test bed for those sort of shows. > > Do you happen to remember whether it was the LPU, or RE5/LMCR? The LPU had a separate sound control area. I never worked on RE5, but I believe that the sound desk was in with production, which was the norm for scanners in B&W days. The LPU was completed in 1977 and my understanding is that it was used for Survivors series III. > > Survivors became a cult programme and there is a lot of info online including on Wiki. If you remember any storylines or specific locations, it might confirm the date. > > It was a very unlucky production. Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Technical issues, production disputes, copyright claims, industrial action and budget problems. On top of that, the principle location, the self sufficient eco-commune became affected by the fame, disruption and money which came with the show. By series two there was a lot of tension when shooting at the location and by series three, the camp had acrimoniously disbanded and the main location could no longer be used. > > If Mike or anybody who worked on that show has any memories, it would be good to collect more information about it. The series spanned the transition from experimental video drama to the first custom built scanner for drama. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 30 Mar 2021, at 17:34, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> There was a spell with Gordon Mackie as Head of Sound at TVC when studio Sound Supervisors were allowed a one month attachment to Kendal Avenue, to follow a few different shows as supernumeraries. I can?t remember the dates that I did my month, but one of the shows I sat in on was with Graham Haines doing John Dankworth and Cleo Laine, at The Talk of the Town, or some such venue, if that helps decide on a date, but the show which is relevant to this thread was Survivors, with the LPU, I?m fairly sure. Ian Lieper was the SS, with John Cox as SA1 - I used his clothes prop Cox-rod invention on several scenes and was flattered by his remarks on my ?boom? operation in awkward places. I?m fairly sure that episode was shot somewhere in Monmouthshire. >> >> Gordon said I had a cheek asking for an OB attachment, as I came from Bristol where I frequently worked on OBs, but I don?t think there were many takers and he had a budget to spend or he?d lose it, so off I went with his good grace. I really can?t think of anyone else who took up the offer. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 12:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Alan, >>> While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. >>> The tale I learned about was that Bob Wright lit it, using his sparks crew holding pups or redheads on poles, for easy movement around narrow corridors. They got christened ?Boblights?! >>> I?ve no idea if it was a totally BBC production, with imported scanners, or a joint production with Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR) >>> However, fishing about, I found this: The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. >>> Producer Peter Luke decided not to cast big stars in order to make a better ensemble, but his talent spotting was impressive. Rising star Christopher Plummer was Hamlet, with Michael Caine as Horatio. Robert Shaw was Claudius and June Tobin played Gertrude. Alec Clunes was Polonius and Jo Maxwell Muller was Ophelia. Donald Sutherland, Steven Berkoff, Roy Kinnear and Lindsay Kemp appeared further down the cast list. Plummer was nominated for an Emmy for his performance. >>> >>> Kronborg Castle ? Home of Hamlet >>> In Hamlet, Shakespeare called Kronborg Castle Elsinore. This has become the English name for Helsing?r. >>> >>> Regards >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: 30 March 2021 12:28 >>> To: tech1 >>> Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks >>> >>> I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas. >>> >>> Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year. Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally, more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU. >>> >>> I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats. The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities. Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used? >>> >>> There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright ... >>> A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is. Ideally in a rural setting. >>> Interior pictures of the LPU and LMCR >>> Pictures of the LPU or LMCR on drama locations. >>> A picture showing both the LMCR and LPU together. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Tue Mar 30 16:09:40 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 22:09:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <8FEA9F75-616D-480E-9D6E-E2CA6D3D50FF@icloud.com> Message-ID: No, not Marconi. I'm thinking German- Bosch? Just googled them: Bosch Fernseh KCR40 looks right & rings a bell.John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Graeme Wall Date: 30/03/2021 21:51 (GMT+00:00) To: jpn Cc: Alan Taylor , Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks Cameras sound as though they could have been Marconi Mk IX Ps, they had a remote box that had to be failry close to the camera head. They wre arrow-head design with all the mass well forward of the shoulder so you had to have a stomach brace to hold the things up.? Graeme Wall> On 30 Mar 2021, at 20:46, jpn via Tech1 wrote:> > I can fill in some things about Survivors. I worked on several episodes. Ian Leiper, Vic Godrich and Robin Luxford were the regular supervisors as I recall. Most were recorded at a place called Callow Hill Farm I think, near Monmouth, with a few odd episodes done elsewhere. One was done in the London Underground tunnels overnight (not one of mine). I remember lots of fun with ck8 capsules fitted on c451s and frequent damage when the fishing rod fell over. Eventually we managed to get 416s instead. I think it was the LPU when I joined the team. Cameras were blue & cream things with a big remote box at the end of a shortish cable?> > John Nottage > > > > Sent from my Galaxy> > > -------- Original message --------> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Date: 30/03/2021 20:17 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks > > Well Mike, from my point of view that was an especially interesting time to visit OBs.? Can I try jogging your memory?? While Cleo & John did do shows from the Talk of the Town, they did others from the Collegiate Theatre ( now known as the Bloomsbury ) and also from the New London Theatre.? They were at the collegiate in ?75 and ?76. Do you recall any guests appearing with them?? Swingle Singers, Jose Feliciano, Cy Grant?> > I did a loads of shows with them from their home in Wavendon.? The style of the show was very informal with world class guests just dropping in ?unexpectedly? and performing in their house. They were fabulous shows to work on and after the recording, we were welcome to hang out with the artists while the wine flowed and a few impromptu songs were performed.? > > As for The Survivors, there were three series of that show in ?75, ?76, and ?77.? For those who don?t remember it, the story was a post-apocalyptic story where civilisation as we know it had largely ceased to exist and people had to find a way of surviving. Series one and two used a sort of eco-hippy commune? as the main location and the scanner was the converted RE5, which acquired the name LMCR before dedicated LMCR was commissioned.? RE5/LMCR was an experiment to discover what was needed for drama and small programme production.? The original RE5 ( Roving Eye 5 ) had been a small, versatile 2 camera B&W scanner and as re-equipped to be a test bed for those sort of shows. > > Do you happen to remember whether it was the LPU, or RE5/LMCR?? The LPU had a separate sound control area.? I never worked on RE5, but I believe that the sound desk was in with production, which was the norm for scanners in B&W days. The LPU was completed in 1977 and my understanding is that it was used for Survivors series III.> > Survivors became a cult programme and there is a lot of info online including on Wiki.? If you remember any storylines or specific locations, it might confirm the date.> > It was a very unlucky production.? Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong.? Technical issues, production disputes, copyright claims, industrial action and budget problems.? On top of that, the principle location, the self sufficient eco-commune became affected by the fame, disruption and money which came with the show.? By series two there was a lot of tension when shooting at the location and by series three, the camp had acrimoniously disbanded and the main location could no longer be used.> > If Mike or anybody who worked on that show has any memories, it would be good to collect more information about it.? The series spanned the transition from experimental video drama to the first custom built scanner for drama.> > Alan Taylor> > > >> On 30 Mar 2021, at 17:34, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:>> >> ?>> There was a spell with Gordon Mackie as Head of Sound at TVC when studio Sound Supervisors were allowed a one month attachment to Kendal Avenue, to follow a few different shows as supernumeraries. I can?t remember the dates that I did my month, but one of the shows I sat in on was with Graham Haines doing John Dankworth and Cleo Laine, at The Talk of the Town, or some such venue, if that helps decide on a date, but the show which is relevant to this thread was Survivors, with the LPU, I?m fairly sure. Ian Lieper was the SS, with John Cox as SA1 - I used his clothes prop Cox-rod invention on several scenes and was flattered by his remarks on my ?boom? operation in awkward places. I?m fairly sure that episode was shot somewhere in Monmouthshire. >> >> Gordon said I had a cheek asking for an OB attachment, as I came from Bristol where I frequently worked on OBs, but I don?t think there were many takers and he had a budget to spend or he?d lose it, so off I went with his good grace. I really can?t think of anyone else who took up the offer. >> >> Mike G>> >>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 12:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:>>> >>> ?>>> Alan,>>> While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore.>>> The tale I learned about was that Bob Wright lit it, using his sparks crew holding pups or redheads on poles, for easy movement around narrow corridors. They got christened ?Boblights?!>>> I?ve no idea if it was a totally BBC production, with imported scanners, or a joint production with Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR)>>> However, fishing about, I found this: The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama.>>> Producer Peter Luke decided not to cast big stars in order to make a better ensemble, but his talent spotting was impressive. Rising star Christopher Plummer was Hamlet, with Michael Caine as Horatio. Robert Shaw was Claudius and June Tobin played Gertrude. Alec Clunes was Polonius and Jo Maxwell Muller was Ophelia. Donald Sutherland, Steven Berkoff, Roy Kinnear and Lindsay Kemp appeared further down the cast list. Plummer was nominated for an Emmy for his performance.>>> >>> Kronborg Castle ? Home of Hamlet>>> In Hamlet, Shakespeare called Kronborg Castle Elsinore. This has become the English name for Helsing?r.>>>? >>> Regards>>> Pat>>>? >>>? >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10>>>? >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1>>> Sent: 30 March 2021 12:28>>> To: tech1>>> Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks>>>? >>> I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas.>>>? >>> Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977?? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year.? Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally,? more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU.?? >>>? >>> I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats.? The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities.? Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used?>>>? >>> There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright? ...>>>??? A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is.? Ideally in a rural setting.>>>??? Interior pictures of the LPU and LMCR>>>??? Pictures of the LPU or LMCR on drama locations.>>>??? A picture showing both the LMCR and LPU together.>>>? >>> Alan Taylor>>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>> -- >> Tech1 mailing list>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk> -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simoncmorris at mac.com Tue Mar 30 16:11:58 2021 From: simoncmorris at mac.com (simoncmorris at mac.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 21:11:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <8FEA9F75-616D-480E-9D6E-E2CA6D3D50FF@icloud.com> References: <20210330194725.D10E534010B@st11p00im-smtpin003.me.com>, <8FEA9F75-616D-480E-9D6E-E2CA6D3D50FF@icloud.com> Message-ID: I think the cameras might have been Bosch Fernseh KCR-40s ... I'm sure I've seen location pictures showing KCR-40s. When I started at TVC in 1979 there was one still in service ... Simon Samsung EE iCloud ________________________________ From: Tech1 on behalf of Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 9:51:06 PM To: jpn Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks Cameras sound as though they could have been Marconi Mk IX Ps, they had a remote box that had to be failry close to the camera head. They wre arrow-head design with all the mass well forward of the shoulder so you had to have a stomach brace to hold the things up. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Mar 2021, at 20:46, jpn via Tech1 wrote: > > I can fill in some things about Survivors. I worked on several episodes. Ian Leiper, Vic Godrich and Robin Luxford were the regular supervisors as I recall. Most were recorded at a place called Callow Hill Farm I think, near Monmouth, with a few odd episodes done elsewhere. One was done in the London Underground tunnels overnight (not one of mine). I remember lots of fun with ck8 capsules fitted on c451s and frequent damage when the fishing rod fell over. Eventually we managed to get 416s instead. I think it was the LPU when I joined the team. Cameras were blue & cream things with a big remote box at the end of a shortish cable? > > John Nottage > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Date: 30/03/2021 20:17 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks > > Well Mike, from my point of view that was an especially interesting time to visit OBs. Can I try jogging your memory? While Cleo & John did do shows from the Talk of the Town, they did others from the Collegiate Theatre ( now known as the Bloomsbury ) and also from the New London Theatre. They were at the collegiate in ?75 and ?76. Do you recall any guests appearing with them? Swingle Singers, Jose Feliciano, Cy Grant? > > I did a loads of shows with them from their home in Wavendon. The style of the show was very informal with world class guests just dropping in ?unexpectedly? and performing in their house. They were fabulous shows to work on and after the recording, we were welcome to hang out with the artists while the wine flowed and a few impromptu songs were performed. > > As for The Survivors, there were three series of that show in ?75, ?76, and ?77. For those who don?t remember it, the story was a post-apocalyptic story where civilisation as we know it had largely ceased to exist and people had to find a way of surviving. Series one and two used a sort of eco-hippy commune as the main location and the scanner was the converted RE5, which acquired the name LMCR before dedicated LMCR was commissioned. RE5/LMCR was an experiment to discover what was needed for drama and small programme production. The original RE5 ( Roving Eye 5 ) had been a small, versatile 2 camera B&W scanner and as re-equipped to be a test bed for those sort of shows. > > Do you happen to remember whether it was the LPU, or RE5/LMCR? The LPU had a separate sound control area. I never worked on RE5, but I believe that the sound desk was in with production, which was the norm for scanners in B&W days. The LPU was completed in 1977 and my understanding is that it was used for Survivors series III. > > Survivors became a cult programme and there is a lot of info online including on Wiki. If you remember any storylines or specific locations, it might confirm the date. > > It was a very unlucky production. Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Technical issues, production disputes, copyright claims, industrial action and budget problems. On top of that, the principle location, the self sufficient eco-commune became affected by the fame, disruption and money which came with the show. By series two there was a lot of tension when shooting at the location and by series three, the camp had acrimoniously disbanded and the main location could no longer be used. > > If Mike or anybody who worked on that show has any memories, it would be good to collect more information about it. The series spanned the transition from experimental video drama to the first custom built scanner for drama. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 30 Mar 2021, at 17:34, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> There was a spell with Gordon Mackie as Head of Sound at TVC when studio Sound Supervisors were allowed a one month attachment to Kendal Avenue, to follow a few different shows as supernumeraries. I can?t remember the dates that I did my month, but one of the shows I sat in on was with Graham Haines doing John Dankworth and Cleo Laine, at The Talk of the Town, or some such venue, if that helps decide on a date, but the show which is relevant to this thread was Survivors, with the LPU, I?m fairly sure. Ian Lieper was the SS, with John Cox as SA1 - I used his clothes prop Cox-rod invention on several scenes and was flattered by his remarks on my ?boom? operation in awkward places. I?m fairly sure that episode was shot somewhere in Monmouthshire. >> >> Gordon said I had a cheek asking for an OB attachment, as I came from Bristol where I frequently worked on OBs, but I don?t think there were many takers and he had a budget to spend or he?d lose it, so off I went with his good grace. I really can?t think of anyone else who took up the offer. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 12:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Alan, >>> While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. >>> The tale I learned about was that Bob Wright lit it, using his sparks crew holding pups or redheads on poles, for easy movement around narrow corridors. They got christened ?Boblights?! >>> I?ve no idea if it was a totally BBC production, with imported scanners, or a joint production with Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR) >>> However, fishing about, I found this: The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. >>> Producer Peter Luke decided not to cast big stars in order to make a better ensemble, but his talent spotting was impressive. Rising star Christopher Plummer was Hamlet, with Michael Caine as Horatio. Robert Shaw was Claudius and June Tobin played Gertrude. Alec Clunes was Polonius and Jo Maxwell Muller was Ophelia. Donald Sutherland, Steven Berkoff, Roy Kinnear and Lindsay Kemp appeared further down the cast list. Plummer was nominated for an Emmy for his performance. >>> >>> Kronborg Castle ? Home of Hamlet >>> In Hamlet, Shakespeare called Kronborg Castle Elsinore. This has become the English name for Helsing?r. >>> >>> Regards >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: 30 March 2021 12:28 >>> To: tech1 >>> Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks >>> >>> I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas. >>> >>> Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year. Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally, more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU. >>> >>> I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats. The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities. Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used? >>> >>> There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright ... >>> A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is. Ideally in a rural setting. >>> Interior pictures of the LPU and LMCR >>> Pictures of the LPU or LMCR on drama locations. >>> A picture showing both the LMCR and LPU together. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 30 16:46:01 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 22:46:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <20210330194725.287492190D9A@ms11p00im-qufv17080901.me.com> References: <20210330194725.287492190D9A@ms11p00im-qufv17080901.me.com> Message-ID: <488AAA11-E520-4FF9-AD03-E5814D62EABC@mac.com> That?s all consistent with my recollection of the Survivors location on a farm, with the LPU on site ~ definitely a separate sound section ~ distinctly bijou, one might say. But I don?t remember anything about the specific plot, or any evidence of a commune. As to Dankworth and Laine, I really recall nothing of any other performers, but comparing dates with Survivors, it may well not have been The Talk of the Town. If I can find them, I?ll have a look through my dairies of that time. Mike G > On 30 Mar 2021, at 20:46, jpn via Tech1 wrote: > > I can fill in some things about Survivors. I worked on several episodes. Ian Leiper, Vic Godrich and Robin Luxford were the regular supervisors as I recall. Most were recorded at a place called Callow Hill Farm I think, near Monmouth, with a few odd episodes done elsewhere. One was done in the London Underground tunnels overnight (not one of mine). I remember lots of fun with ck8 capsules fitted on c451s and frequent damage when the fishing rod fell over. Eventually we managed to get 416s instead. I think it was the LPU when I joined the team. Cameras were blue & cream things with a big remote box at the end of a shortish cable? > > John Nottage > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Date: 30/03/2021 20:17 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks > > Well Mike, from my point of view that was an especially interesting time to visit OBs. Can I try jogging your memory? While Cleo & John did do shows from the Talk of the Town, they did others from the Collegiate Theatre ( now known as the Bloomsbury ) and also from the New London Theatre. They were at the collegiate in ?75 and ?76. Do you recall any guests appearing with them? Swingle Singers, Jose Feliciano, Cy Grant? > > I did a loads of shows with them from their home in Wavendon. The style of the show was very informal with world class guests just dropping in ?unexpectedly? and performing in their house. They were fabulous shows to work on and after the recording, we were welcome to hang out with the artists while the wine flowed and a few impromptu songs were performed. > > As for The Survivors, there were three series of that show in ?75, ?76, and ?77. For those who don?t remember it, the story was a post-apocalyptic story where civilisation as we know it had largely ceased to exist and people had to find a way of surviving. Series one and two used a sort of eco-hippy commune as the main location and the scanner was the converted RE5, which acquired the name LMCR before dedicated LMCR was commissioned. RE5/LMCR was an experiment to discover what was needed for drama and small programme production. The original RE5 ( Roving Eye 5 ) had been a small, versatile 2 camera B&W scanner and as re-equipped to be a test bed for those sort of shows. > > Do you happen to remember whether it was the LPU, or RE5/LMCR? The LPU had a separate sound control area. I never worked on RE5, but I believe that the sound desk was in with production, which was the norm for scanners in B&W days. The LPU was completed in 1977 and my understanding is that it was used for Survivors series III. > > Survivors became a cult programme and there is a lot of info online including on Wiki. If you remember any storylines or specific locations, it might confirm the date. > > It was a very unlucky production. Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Technical issues, production disputes, copyright claims, industrial action and budget problems. On top of that, the principle location, the self sufficient eco-commune became affected by the fame, disruption and money which came with the show. By series two there was a lot of tension when shooting at the location and by series three, the camp had acrimoniously disbanded and the main location could no longer be used. > > If Mike or anybody who worked on that show has any memories, it would be good to collect more information about it. The series spanned the transition from experimental video drama to the first custom built scanner for drama. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 30 Mar 2021, at 17:34, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> There was a spell with Gordon Mackie as Head of Sound at TVC when studio Sound Supervisors were allowed a one month attachment to Kendal Avenue, to follow a few different shows as supernumeraries. I can?t remember the dates that I did my month, but one of the shows I sat in on was with Graham Haines doing John Dankworth and Cleo Laine, at The Talk of the Town, or some such venue, if that helps decide on a date, but the show which is relevant to this thread was Survivors, with the LPU, I?m fairly sure. Ian Lieper was the SS, with John Cox as SA1 - I used his clothes prop Cox-rod invention on several scenes and was flattered by his remarks on my ?boom? operation in awkward places. I?m fairly sure that episode was shot somewhere in Monmouthshire. >> >> Gordon said I had a cheek asking for an OB attachment, as I came from Bristol where I frequently worked on OBs, but I don?t think there were many takers and he had a budget to spend or he?d lose it, so off I went with his good grace. I really can?t think of anyone else who took up the offer. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 12:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Alan, >>> While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. >>> The tale I learned about was that Bob Wright lit it, using his sparks crew holding pups or redheads on poles, for easy movement around narrow corridors. They got christened ?Boblights?! >>> I?ve no idea if it was a totally BBC production, with imported scanners, or a joint production with Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR) >>> However, fishing about, I found this: The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. >>> Producer Peter Luke decided not to cast big stars in order to make a better ensemble, but his talent spotting was impressive. Rising star Christopher Plummer was Hamlet, with Michael Caine as Horatio. Robert Shaw was Claudius and June Tobin played Gertrude. Alec Clunes was Polonius and Jo Maxwell Muller was Ophelia. Donald Sutherland, Steven Berkoff, Roy Kinnear and Lindsay Kemp appeared further down the cast list. Plummer was nominated for an Emmy for his performance. >>> >>> Kronborg Castle ? Home of Hamlet >>> In Hamlet, Shakespeare called Kronborg Castle Elsinore. This has become the English name for Helsing?r. >>> >>> Regards >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: 30 March 2021 12:28 >>> To: tech1 >>> Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks >>> >>> I?m trying to gather even more info about early OB dramas. >>> >>> Did anybody here work on OB dramas in 1977? I understand that the LPU was just going into service that year. Prior to that, drama work was done by Type II scanners occasionally, more often on the colourised LO21, but mostly on the RE5 vehicle which was converted into a lightweight, self contained scanner and acquired the abbreviation LMCR before a purpose built LMCR was built at about the same time as the LPU. >>> >>> I know that in 1977 I worked on The Maiden?s Trip, which was a wartime drama set on canal boats. The show was a Birmingham Production, but used Kendal Avenue facilities. Did anybody else remember working on it too, or can confirm that the LPU was used? >>> >>> There are some pictures I would love to be able to find, if they exist, preferably privately taken pics to avoid the problems of copyright ... >>> A picture of a Mk II scanner showing just how large it is. 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 31 03:05:15 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:05:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: References: <6063136f.1c69fb81.1e442.87c8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <60642d3b.1c69fb81.63cb5.4d66@mx.google.com> According to IMDb, (not always accurate): Runtime 2 hr 50 min (170 min) (USA) Sound Mix Mono Color Black and White Aspect Ratio 1.33 : 1 Negative Format Video Printed Film Format Video Production Companies British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) Danmarks Radio (DR) It seems that most of the technical crew were Danish. I look forward to viewing the DVD, when it arrives from the USA. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 30 March 2021 16:23 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. ?I assume that it must have been shot on film. Alan Taylor On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham wrote:? There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. Pat ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 31 03:23:34 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:23:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Good Music programmes Message-ID: <60643185.1c69fb81.17055.4f17@mx.google.com> I omitted to put in the date of the first repeat of Andre Rieu?s ?Shall We Dance? programme. Here is the corrected version: I was channel surfing the other night and happened across a concert set up by the Dutch violinist Andre Rieu, from the main Square in Maastrich. Quite a splendid effort and his orchestra were really enjoying themselves. He had 100 dancers waltzing down the aisles between the audience ? quite a sight. Think it?s repeated on Sky Arts (FV11) at 16:30 on 5th April (Easter Monday) and again at 06:00 Thurs 8th, same channel. There?s also a repeat of The John Wilson Orchestra Presents Cole Porter ? 07:00 2nd April (Good Friday) again on Sky Arts Ch11. I would have loved to have heard what Len Shorey or Hugh Barker would have made of the Rieu band balance! Enjoy Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Mar 31 03:25:57 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 08:25:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What the Passenger Saw Message-ID: ? ?If you are the driver, you only really get to see what?s ahead of you. My wife and I like to share the driving so that as front seat passenger, we get to see the wider view. As we made our way through the streets of Paris, here?s What the Passenger Saw: [cid:8BFB054B-4E77-4AC3-AD65-D92ACDB5F6D2] Cheers, Nick Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 857931 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 31 03:54:47 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:54:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <60642d3b.1c69fb81.63cb5.4d66@mx.google.com> References: <60642d3b.1c69fb81.63cb5.4d66@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Well IMDB reveals a certain amount about the crewing. Most names sound Danish except for Philip Saville and Bob Wright. A VT editor is credited, as are several technical managers so we might reasonably deduce that it was a B&W video production crewed by Danish people, with a Danish art dept too. Obviously I?ve no idea about the technical arrangements, but the shoot would have been either an OB or a de-rig, while options for recording on site could have been a mobile VT, de-rigged VT or it might even have been sent via radio or lines to a studio and recorded there. It?s a bit before my time, but VT was a rather young technology in those days and things were changing rapidly. It would be interesting to know exactly how it was done. If it had been serviced by the BBC, scanners in those days were usually built n such a way that the equipment could be removed and relocated into temporary control rooms. A show such as this one would be a good candidate for a de-rig setup because there would presumably be space to house the equipment close to the action, whereas parking a scanner might be tricky because very few castles were built with lorry parking in mind. Another reason why I tend towards the de-reg idea is Philip Saville. When we did Life and Loves of a She Devil, he insisted on having a temporary control room in the main location so that he was only a few steps away from the actors. Stellar cast list though. Should be interesting to watch. ... and you?re quite right about IMadB sometimes being unreliable. For a year or so my listing included the time I directed Games of Thrones, except of course it wasn?t me, just my namesake, but it?s now been corrected. Alan Taylor > On 31 Mar 2021, at 09:05, patheigham wrote: > > ? > According to IMDb, (not always accurate): > Runtime > 2 hr 50 min (170 min) (USA) > Sound Mix > Mono > Color > Black and White > Aspect Ratio > 1.33 : 1 > Negative Format > Video > Printed Film Format > Video > Production Companies > British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) > Danmarks Radio (DR) > It seems that most of the technical crew were Danish. > I look forward to viewing the DVD, when it arrives from the USA. > > Regards > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 30 March 2021 16:23 > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore > > If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. I assume that it must have been shot on film. > > Alan Taylor > > On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham wrote:? > > There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. > I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. > Pat > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Wed Mar 31 04:00:03 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 10:00:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <60642d3b.1c69fb81.63cb5.4d66@mx.google.com> References: <60642d3b.1c69fb81.63cb5.4d66@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com> Perhaps it was with the Intertel scanner which I believe was the first colour scanner in Europe. Dave Denness would know more as this was before my time!! Graham Maunder BBC, TVi, Trilion, Limehouse, Awfully Nice Video..... Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Mar 2021, at 09:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > According to IMDb, (not always accurate): > Runtime > 2 hr 50 min (170 min) (USA) > Sound Mix > Mono > Color > Black and White > Aspect Ratio > 1.33 : 1 > Negative Format > Video > Printed Film Format > Video > Production Companies > British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) > Danmarks Radio (DR) > It seems that most of the technical crew were Danish. > I look forward to viewing the DVD, when it arrives from the USA. > > Regards > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 30 March 2021 16:23 > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore > > If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. I assume that it must have been shot on film. > > Alan Taylor > > On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham wrote:? > > There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. > I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. > Pat > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 31 06:06:02 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:06:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com> References: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com> Message-ID: <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> The show was in B&W, so no need for a colour scanner. However you may be onto something with Intertel. They might have been a possible source of mobile VT machines in those days. I would imagine that there was a Danish or other Scandinavian TV company able to provide suitable OB facilities. I wasn?t so sure about a mobile VT being available locally. I looked at the IMDB crew list to see if any of the tech names might be familiar, but I was never part of the Intertel operation and might not have recognised them. DD will surely know. Alan Taylor > On 31 Mar 2021, at 10:00, Graham Maunder wrote: > > ?Perhaps it was with the Intertel scanner which I believe was the first colour scanner in Europe. > > Dave Denness would know more as this was before my time!! > > Graham Maunder > BBC, TVi, Trilion, Limehouse, Awfully Nice Video..... > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 09:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> According to IMDb, (not always accurate): >> Runtime >> 2 hr 50 min (170 min) (USA) >> Sound Mix >> Mono >> Color >> Black and White >> Aspect Ratio >> 1.33 : 1 >> Negative Format >> Video >> Printed Film Format >> Video >> Production Companies >> British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) >> Danmarks Radio (DR) >> It seems that most of the technical crew were Danish. >> I look forward to viewing the DVD, when it arrives from the USA. >> >> Regards >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: 30 March 2021 16:23 >> To: tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore >> >> If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. I assume that it must have been shot on film. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham wrote:? >> >> There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. >> I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Mar 31 06:23:12 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:23:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> References: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com> <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> Message-ID: <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> Not about Hamlet, but related... I've just bought the Stones 'Rock'n'Roll Circus' on Blu ray, alledgedly Region 0, but it also says NTSC. Before I unwrap it, will it play on my Sony Blu-ray player? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 31 Mar 2021, at 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > The show was in B&W, so no need for a colour scanner. However you may be onto something with Intertel. They might have been a possible source of mobile VT machines in those days. I would imagine that there was a Danish or other Scandinavian TV company able to provide suitable OB facilities. I wasn?t so sure about a mobile VT being available locally. > > I looked at the IMDB crew list to see if any of the tech names might be familiar, but I was never part of the Intertel operation and might not have recognised them. DD will surely know. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 31 Mar 2021, at 10:00, Graham Maunder wrote: >> >> ?Perhaps it was with the Intertel scanner which I believe was the first colour scanner in Europe. >> >> Dave Denness would know more as this was before my time!! >> >> Graham Maunder >> BBC, TVi, Trilion, Limehouse, Awfully Nice Video..... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 09:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> According to IMDb, (not always accurate): >>> Runtime >>> 2 hr 50 min (170 min) (USA) >>> Sound Mix >>> Mono >>> Color >>> Black and White >>> Aspect Ratio >>> 1.33 : 1 >>> Negative Format >>> Video >>> Printed Film Format >>> Video >>> Production Companies >>> British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) >>> Danmarks Radio (DR) >>> It seems that most of the technical crew were Danish. >>> I look forward to viewing the DVD, when it arrives from the USA. >>> >>> Regards >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: 30 March 2021 16:23 >>> To: tech1 >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore >>> >>> If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. I assume that it must have been shot on film. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham wrote:? >>> >>> There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. >>> I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 06:42:08 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:42:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> References: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com> <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> Message-ID: <092d2d96-a3b4-c902-c45c-77cd8214158c@ntlworld.com> Difficult to say, and depends on the player and the tv, but probably. B On 31/03/2021 12:23, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Not about Hamlet, but related... > > I've just bought the Stones 'Rock'n'Roll Circus' on Blu ray, > alledgedly Region 0, but it also says NTSC. > > Before I unwrap it, will it play on my Sony Blu-ray player? > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* > / > > > > > > > > > >> On 31 Mar 2021, at 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> The show was in B&W, so no need for a colour scanner. ?However you >> may be onto something with Intertel. ?They might have been a possible >> source of mobile VT machines in those days. ?I would imagine that >> there was a Danish or other Scandinavian TV company able to provide >> suitable OB facilities. ?I wasn?t so sure about a mobile VT being >> available locally. >> >> I looked at the IMDB crew list to see if any of the tech names might >> be familiar, but I was never part of the Intertel operation and might >> not have recognised them. DD will surely know. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 10:00, Graham Maunder >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> ?Perhaps it was with the Intertel scanner which I believe was the >>> first colour scanner in Europe. >>> >>> Dave Denness would know more as this was before my time!! >>> >>> Graham Maunder >>> BBC, TVi, Trilion, Limehouse, Awfully Nice Video..... >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 09:05, patheigham via Tech1 >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> According to IMDb, (not always accurate): >>>> Runtime >>>> >>>> 2 hr 50 min (170 min) (USA) >>>> Sound Mix >>>> >>>> Mono >>>> >>>> Color >>>> >>>> Black and White >>>> >>>> Aspect Ratio >>>> >>>> 1.33 : 1 >>>> Negative Format >>>> >>>> Video >>>> Printed Film Format >>>> >>>> Video >>>> >>>> *Production Companies*** >>>> British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) >>>> >>>> Danmarks Radio (DR) >>>> >>>> It seems that most of the technical crew were Danish. >>>> I look forward to viewing the DVD, when it arrives from the USA. >>>> Regards >>>> Pat >>>> Sent fromMail for >>>> Windows 10 >>>> *From:*Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>> *Sent:*30 March 2021 16:23 >>>> *To:*tech1 >>>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore >>>> If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated >>>> mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. ?I assume >>>> that it must have been shot on film. >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham >>> > wrote:? >>>> >>>> There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. >>>> I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only >>>> 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Avast logo >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 06:42:25 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:42:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> References: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com> <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> Message-ID: <2452f2da-05ab-8154-167e-54958207bb00@gmail.com> Difficult to say, and depends on the player and the tv, but probably. B On 31/03/2021 12:23, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Not about Hamlet, but related... > > I've just bought the Stones 'Rock'n'Roll Circus' on Blu ray, > alledgedly Region 0, but it also says NTSC. > > Before I unwrap it, will it play on my Sony Blu-ray player? > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* > / > > > > > > > > > >> On 31 Mar 2021, at 12:06, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> The show was in B&W, so no need for a colour scanner. ?However you >> may be onto something with Intertel. ?They might have been a possible >> source of mobile VT machines in those days. ?I would imagine that >> there was a Danish or other Scandinavian TV company able to provide >> suitable OB facilities. ?I wasn?t so sure about a mobile VT being >> available locally. >> >> I looked at the IMDB crew list to see if any of the tech names might >> be familiar, but I was never part of the Intertel operation and might >> not have recognised them. DD will surely know. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 10:00, Graham Maunder >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> ?Perhaps it was with the Intertel scanner which I believe was the >>> first colour scanner in Europe. >>> >>> Dave Denness would know more as this was before my time!! >>> >>> Graham Maunder >>> BBC, TVi, Trilion, Limehouse, Awfully Nice Video..... >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 09:05, patheigham via Tech1 >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> According to IMDb, (not always accurate): >>>> Runtime >>>> >>>> 2 hr 50 min (170 min) (USA) >>>> Sound Mix >>>> >>>> Mono >>>> >>>> Color >>>> >>>> Black and White >>>> >>>> Aspect Ratio >>>> >>>> 1.33 : 1 >>>> Negative Format >>>> >>>> Video >>>> Printed Film Format >>>> >>>> Video >>>> >>>> *Production Companies*** >>>> British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) >>>> >>>> Danmarks Radio (DR) >>>> >>>> It seems that most of the technical crew were Danish. >>>> I look forward to viewing the DVD, when it arrives from the USA. >>>> Regards >>>> Pat >>>> Sent fromMail for >>>> Windows 10 >>>> *From:*Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>> *Sent:*30 March 2021 16:23 >>>> *To:*tech1 >>>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore >>>> If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated >>>> mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. ?I assume >>>> that it must have been shot on film. >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham >>> > wrote:? >>>> >>>> There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. >>>> I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only >>>> 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Avast logo >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 31 06:46:20 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:46:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> References: <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> Message-ID: For anybody interested, the entire production of Hamlet at Elsinore is available on YouTube. I haven?t watched it yet ( 2hrs 50 min ), but a quick scan showed pretty impressive image quality. Reading a little more about it, one aspect which fascinated me was that the producer, Peter Luke, was keen to avoid using big name stars. The cast includes Christopher Plummer, Robert Shaw, Micheal Caine, Steven Berkoff and Roy Kinnear, which at first glance seems to contradict that idea, however most of them subsequently became famous, which was quite a testament to his talent spotting ability. Alan Taylor > On 31 Mar 2021, at 12:06, Alan Taylor wrote: > > ?-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 06:46:35 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:46:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> References: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com><50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> Message-ID: Region 0 Music blurays tend to be formatted in NTSC these days. Saves them making a new master for every region, and the US is the bigger market. Should play without problem on your machine (it did on mine). UK machines can play NTSC. From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:23 PM To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore Not about Hamlet, but related... I've just bought the Stones 'Rock'n'Roll Circus' on Blu ray, alledgedly Region 0, but it also says NTSC. Before I unwrap it, will it play on my Sony Blu-ray player? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 31 06:49:34 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:49:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> References: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com> <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> Message-ID: <606461cd.1c69fb81.b4ce7.7091@mx.google.com> I seem to have started a storm of info about Hamlet. Well, it may well add to Alan?s quest for OB Drama stories! Maybe a letter to DR (OB Engineering department) might produce further clues. Most of the crew names seem to be Danish. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2021 12:06 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore The show was in B&W, so no need for a colour scanner. ?However you may be onto something with Intertel. ?They might have been a possible source of mobile VT machines in those days. ?I would imagine that there was a Danish or other Scandinavian TV company able to provide suitable OB facilities. ?I wasn?t so sure about a mobile VT being available locally. I looked at the IMDB crew list to see if any of the tech names might be familiar, but I was never part of the Intertel operation and might not have recognised them. DD will surely know. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 31 07:11:38 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 13:11:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> References: <764482A2-DB0A-4974-BE7F-116489A6376F@icloud.com> <50E00BBA-EC2B-4C0A-B325-9ADE0A917977@me.com> <0879603A-1DBB-470F-AABC-2260C2723C8C@me.com> Message-ID: <606466f9.1c69fb81.86d6e.028a@mx.google.com> Probably, but depends on your player. I see that Amazon offer various versions of this title ? which one did you buy? Have a look at the user guide ? if you have lost it, it?s probably available on the Internet. (I keep .pdf versions of mine and friends? kit, as I?m always being beset with their problems!). I needed to purchase a multi-region player, as some of the films I worked on were only available from the States, therefore Region 1 and NTSC, although I?ve found that my PAL players very often can read NTSC. (At the last count, I have six, three being recorders!) The model is (Bluray) SONY BDP-S6500 BLU-RAY PLAYER Bought in March 2017 at ?225. It?s very small and sits on my bedside table with an HDMI connection to Samsung 22? TV, Whether it?s still available I know not. Yes, I?ve moved my ?cinema? into my bedroom where I can watch movies, drinking white wine, eating Thornton?s chocolates, with the phone in one hand and remote in the other! Self-isolating is bearable, not really necessary, but just keeping away from contact. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2021 12:23 To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore Not about Hamlet, but related... I've just bought the Stones 'Rock'n'Roll Circus' on Blu ray, alledgedly Region 0, but it also says NTSC. Before I unwrap it, will it play on my Sony Blu-ray player? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Mar 31 15:43:13 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:43:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <5122A1D2-061A-4D9F-BF34-5F0BDEFA6833@me.com> References: <5122A1D2-061A-4D9F-BF34-5F0BDEFA6833@me.com> Message-ID: Could this be the one, Howard Michaels on his knees! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Howard & Bosch.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 609131 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Mar 31 17:30:53 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 23:30:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <5122A1D2-061A-4D9F-BF34-5F0BDEFA6833@me.com> References: <5122A1D2-061A-4D9F-BF34-5F0BDEFA6833@me.com> Message-ID: I fear that I may be walking on eggshells in reminding some of the fact that some time in the mid 1980s TVC had three or four months? loan of a Bosch-Fernseh camera and a portable recorder which I remember as resembling an oversize and very heavy Ferrograph. Names in the frame apart from me were John Howell, Geoff Feld and Peter Ware, engineers Eddie Dunlop and John Humphries, lighting Warwick Fielding and ?? (Hibou will remind me), with Ron Koplick as manager. We were given an old Links Land Rover which had been repossessed from the hill farmer who had bought it at auction and it came complete with a bird?s nest under the wheel arch, quite a lot of straw and a broken chassis - it was probably not fit to drive on public roads, but we were given the ?garage" on TVC ring road which we labelled TC9, with carte blanche to do what was necessary. We cut and drilled the Land Rover and used quite a lot of Dexion to fit it out as an operational base, with the expectation of taking the recorder out of the wagon quite frequently. On our experimental outings Peter Ware took us to the naturist area near Shere (no naturists in evidence and we remained fully clothed!) and to his favourite pub, the City Barge at Strand on the Green near Kew, We spent a day on the BBC Club narrow boat at Tring, or thereabouts and were ready to do a piece for real, going down a grassy slope on a trolley for Last of the Summer Wine, I think it was, but that raised hackles at Kendal Avenue, who thought we were treading on their toes, so it didn?t happen as there was a threat to walk out en masse if the unit ever left TVC to do a piece for broadcast. We were slightly surprised as it was an item that was more likely to have been covered by film department and it would have been an insert to a studio show. I wondered whether it would have been successful anyway, as the recorder had a relatively small diameter head drum and uneven surfaces on a trolley tended to cause instability, but what do I know? But we established a few rules that I gathered were carried over to the Eastenders set-up, although I have to confess that I was mightily relieved that I never had to work on Eastenders. My name did appear on the' forward schedules at one point, but ?sadly? Olympics planning got in the way and things carried on in that vein until I retired! Speaking of which, I have just realised that I?m now nearly two thirds of the way to being as long in retirement as the 35 years I worked for Aunty! This does not go down well with our children who can?t even see the retirement horizon yet, even though next year our son will be the age I was when I bowed out, with our daughter only a few years behind him. Mike G > On 31 Mar 2021, at 07:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Yes, Fernseh cameras were initially used on RE5/LMCR experimental vehicle and also on the LPU when it was built, but proved to be unreliable. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 30 Mar 2021, at 22:12, simoncmorris--- via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? >> I think the cameras might have been Bosch Fernseh KCR-40s ... I'm sure I've seen location pictures showing KCR-40s. >> When I started at TVC in 1979 there was one still in service ... >> >> Simon > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: