From relong at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  1 04:23:09 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 10:23:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Seeing your work
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I once worked on World Theatre, The Lie by Ingmar Bergmann, directed by Alan Bridges and shot in Poole Harbour in 69. Scandi guilt and infidelity,
 At the Dentists.
I knew the script inside out.
It was a very intense shoot with Frank Finlay Gemma Jones ,Joss  Ackland and many others.
In 1970 we were shooting Captain Cook for Explorers in the Virgin Islands and the Pacific.
We transited via San Fran, I was in my hotel room and put on PBS, it was some dark play full of American actors unknown to me, I immediately knew all the dialog but could not place the screenplay in my head, it was of course The Lie, being produced all over the World by various broadcasters.
Seems bit bonkers now , but it was the 70s.
The Lie was intriguing to work on , money seemed no object, we were shooting on the top floor of a block of Sandbanks apartments, all glass ,one shot required an Aquarium to be illuminated brightly yet the whole room to be seen, Brian Tuffano was given the weekend to find a solution and on the Monday
 The first  huge Cherry Picker lighting rig I had ever seen arrived.
We shot a steamy sex scene in a basement Notting Hill flat, just Brian and I Frank and Gemma, shown  and shot in one complete take, another first for me?
Captain Cook had other problems, a leaking ship, a mutiny by the crew and breakdown in trust between Director and the Production and obviously countless travel.
Two fascinating experiences for a 23 yr old me.
Roger



From david.plaice at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  1 07:33:30 2021
From: david.plaice at googlemail.com (David Plaice)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 12:33:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Seeing your work
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The Lie is available on Blu-ray as part of the BFI's Play for Today Volume
1 box set (
https://shop.bfi.org.uk/play-for-today-volume-one-4-disc-blu-ray-box-set.html),
or there's a ropey copy on YouTube (https://youtu.be/mp31OeyrN2I).

Dave

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 at 10:23, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I once worked on World Theatre, The Lie by Ingmar Bergmann, directed by
> Alan Bridges and shot in Poole Harbour in 69. Scandi guilt and infidelity,
>  At the Dentists.
> I knew the script inside out.
> It was a very intense shoot with Frank Finlay Gemma Jones ,Joss  Ackland
> and many others.
> In 1970 we were shooting Captain Cook for Explorers in the Virgin Islands
> and the Pacific.
> We transited via San Fran, I was in my hotel room and put on PBS, it was
> some dark play full of American actors unknown to me, I immediately knew
> all the dialog but could not place the screenplay in my head, it was of
> course The Lie, being produced all over the World by various broadcasters.
> Seems bit bonkers now , but it was the 70s.
> The Lie was intriguing to work on , money seemed no object, we were
> shooting on the top floor of a block of Sandbanks apartments, all glass
> ,one shot required an Aquarium to be illuminated brightly yet the whole
> room to be seen, Brian Tuffano was given the weekend to find a solution and
> on the Monday
>  The first  huge Cherry Picker lighting rig I had ever seen arrived.
> We shot a steamy sex scene in a basement Notting Hill flat, just Brian and
> I Frank and Gemma, shown  and shot in one complete take, another first for
> me?
> Captain Cook had other problems, a leaking ship, a mutiny by the crew and
> breakdown in trust between Director and the Production and obviously
> countless travel.
> Two fascinating experiences for a 23 yr old me.
> Roger
>
>
> --
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  1 07:53:01 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2021 13:53:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV set
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In article <60b521ec.1c69fb81.e66c.f4f4 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Alan, I discovered Velcro reusable ties ? it?s double-sided, so
> fastens onto itself. ?6.14 for 5m roll from Amazon. Perfect for cable
> management.

One of the major problems is you are stuck with set lengths for things
like HDMI cables, as they are pretty difficult to make up or shorten. Much
easier in analogue days.

-- 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  1 08:26:40 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 14:26:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Seeing your work
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Ta Dave
Stoppers Copper on Vol 2 is the one I?ve been looking for!
3 brass bands , 3 choirs and a clay pit . Great fun to work on and brill to  experience Jack Gold directing at his height of powers.
6 weeks in Cornwall in October with the Glamorgan riot police and a town full of strikers.
We shot so violent confrontations but Jack faded them to red ,brilliant.
Roger

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jun 2021, at 13:34, David Plaice <david.plaice at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The Lie is available on Blu-ray as part of the BFI's Play for Today Volume 1 box set (https://shop.bfi.org.uk/play-for-today-volume-one-4-disc-blu-ray-box-set.html), or there's a ropey copy on YouTube (https://youtu.be/mp31OeyrN2I).
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 at 10:23, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I once worked on World Theatre, The Lie by Ingmar Bergmann, directed by Alan Bridges and shot in Poole Harbour in 69. Scandi guilt and infidelity,
>>  At the Dentists.
>> I knew the script inside out.
>> It was a very intense shoot with Frank Finlay Gemma Jones ,Joss  Ackland and many others.
>> In 1970 we were shooting Captain Cook for Explorers in the Virgin Islands and the Pacific.
>> We transited via San Fran, I was in my hotel room and put on PBS, it was some dark play full of American actors unknown to me, I immediately knew all the dialog but could not place the screenplay in my head, it was of course The Lie, being produced all over the World by various broadcasters.
>> Seems bit bonkers now , but it was the 70s.
>> The Lie was intriguing to work on , money seemed no object, we were shooting on the top floor of a block of Sandbanks apartments, all glass ,one shot required an Aquarium to be illuminated brightly yet the whole room to be seen, Brian Tuffano was given the weekend to find a solution and on the Monday
>>  The first  huge Cherry Picker lighting rig I had ever seen arrived.
>> We shot a steamy sex scene in a basement Notting Hill flat, just Brian and I Frank and Gemma, shown  and shot in one complete take, another first for me?
>> Captain Cook had other problems, a leaking ship, a mutiny by the crew and breakdown in trust between Director and the Production and obviously countless travel.
>> Two fascinating experiences for a 23 yr old me.
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  1 08:41:24 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 14:41:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Seeing your work
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Stocker?s Copper maybe!
Barry.



On 1 Jun 2021, at 14:26, Roger Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Ta Dave
> Stoppers Copper on Vol 2 is the one I?ve been looking for!
> 3 brass bands , 3 choirs and a clay pit . Great fun to work on and brill to  experience Jack Gold directing at his height of powers.
> 6 weeks in Cornwall in October with the Glamorgan riot police and a town full of strikers.
> We shot so violent confrontations but Jack faded them to red ,brilliant.
> Roger
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2021, at 13:34, David Plaice <david.plaice at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> The Lie is available on Blu-ray as part of the BFI's Play for Today Volume 1 box set (https://shop.bfi.org.uk/play-for-today-volume-one-4-disc-blu-ray-box-set.html), or there's a ropey copy on YouTube (https://youtu.be/mp31OeyrN2I).
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 at 10:23, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I once worked on World Theatre, The Lie by Ingmar Bergmann, directed by Alan Bridges and shot in Poole Harbour in 69. Scandi guilt and infidelity,
>>  At the Dentists.
>> I knew the script inside out.
>> It was a very intense shoot with Frank Finlay Gemma Jones ,Joss  Ackland and many others.
>> In 1970 we were shooting Captain Cook for Explorers in the Virgin Islands and the Pacific.
>> We transited via San Fran, I was in my hotel room and put on PBS, it was some dark play full of American actors unknown to me, I immediately knew all the dialog but could not place the screenplay in my head, it was of course The Lie, being produced all over the World by various broadcasters.
>> Seems bit bonkers now , but it was the 70s.
>> The Lie was intriguing to work on , money seemed no object, we were shooting on the top floor of a block of Sandbanks apartments, all glass ,one shot required an Aquarium to be illuminated brightly yet the whole room to be seen, Brian Tuffano was given the weekend to find a solution and on the Monday
>>  The first  huge Cherry Picker lighting rig I had ever seen arrived.
>> We shot a steamy sex scene in a basement Notting Hill flat, just Brian and I Frank and Gemma, shown  and shot in one complete take, another first for me?
>> Captain Cook had other problems, a leaking ship, a mutiny by the crew and breakdown in trust between Director and the Production and obviously countless travel.
>> Two fascinating experiences for a 23 yr old me.
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  1 10:33:25 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 16:33:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sid Paris - sad news
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Hi All,
	Just heard from Pete Nash that Sid Paris died on Monday. One of the nicest people I had the pleasure of working with. Always jolly.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 17:11:12 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 23:11:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Live TV, 2021
Message-ID: <ad227e9e-6146-e096-ddf0-4d13d24e0ddd@gmail.com>

You might like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwmJ9O9_mLM

I'm quite a fan of the makers, Wendover Productions - 
https://www.youtube.com/c/Wendoverproductions/videos

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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 13:33:33 2021
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:33:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!
Message-ID: <CAKrdDqsJLEY_fcpTPr_FmBA1XK=uzbTAENtH0juXJhb5NRT2jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Searching for an example to illustrate the '60's in Television Theatre, I
came across 'An Evening With Nat King Cole', which Yvonne Littlewood
directed in 1963.
What initially surprised me was that this was in colour....in 1963.
Although I suspected it, the secret wasn't revealed until the very last
credit, which reads 'Digital Color by CST Entertainment Inc'. Yes it was
shot in black and white (Pye Mk5's?) and for a DVD release it has been both
'colorized ' and digitally restored as there are no 2" Quad tape drop outs,
or even Telerecording film scratches visible.
The DVD is still available and there's this pretty good copy on
YouTube:  * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRostdhqww
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRostdhqww>*
Do take a look.
In fact it's a stunning bit of restoration I think and shows that a US
production company was prepared to spend to make a show available that
showcased Cole's talents...and the BBC's too in fact, although they did
edit in new opening captions I see.

The sound, alas not credited (what a crime), surely by either 'Hugh or
Len', is staggeringly good for 1963 and an exciting balance throughout. As
good as Capitol, his record company,  were doing at the time certainly.
The 'band' is credited as The Augmented Ted Heath Orchestra....and there's
lots of strings in the arrangements being used, plus some of Cole's
musicians are highlighted in separate sections. The Mike Sammes singers do
a section with Cole as well....this part of the programme is 'of it's time'
of course and it was made in July 1963 when Cole was touring the UK with
the Heath band backing him. Can anyone tell me when the band moved from the
audience area to the dedicated band room at TVT? Martin Kempton's website
seems to indicate that had happened by 1964.

With a series of very 'frontal' follow spots being used I was amazed at how
well the boom op was doing keeping out of shot and picking up his vocals
and chat, but at 32 minutes in, he touches his tie and the small clunk
heard revealed that he was on a radio mic. I tend to forget that both the
Beeb and ATV (Palladium Show) had them back then. Considering these were
the days of BK6's worn on a lanyard around the neck and potentially
troublesome radio kit, I think it's remarkable sound and blends with the
inevitable occasional pre-recorded bits wonderfully, so well done to the
gram op for his cueing as well.
If anyone has memories, or diary pages of this from that far back, they
would be appreciated. I'm sure this programme also ties in with what I'm
researching about the Pye sound consoles as ATV had them in 1961 and TC1
got one in 1964 so surely TVT's was in by July '63?

David
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun  2 14:28:42 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:28:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!
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David,

At this URL, on P63 (coincidentally) is Yvonne?s recollection of the 1963 Nat King Cole:-

https://historyproject.org.uk/sites/default/files/HP0227%20Yvonne%20Littlewood%20-%20Transcript.pdf

The whole document is fascinating ? best part of 5 hours of interview.

Dave Newbitt.

From: David Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 7:33 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!

Searching for an example to illustrate the '60's in Television Theatre, I came across 'An Evening With Nat King Cole', which Yvonne Littlewood directed in 1963. 
What initially surprised me was that this was in colour....in 1963. Although I suspected it, the secret wasn't revealed until the very last credit, which reads 'Digital Color by CST Entertainment Inc'. Yes it was shot in black and white (Pye Mk5's?) and for a DVD release it has been both 'colorized ' and digitally restored as there are no 2" Quad tape drop outs, or even Telerecording film scratches visible.
The DVD is still available and there's this pretty good copy on YouTube:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRostdhqww
Do take a look.
In fact it's a stunning bit of restoration I think and shows that a US production company was prepared to spend to make a show available that showcased Cole's talents...and the BBC's too in fact, although they did edit in new opening captions I see.


The sound, alas not credited (what a crime), surely by either 'Hugh or Len', is staggeringly good for 1963 and an exciting balance throughout. As good as Capitol, his record company,  were doing at the time certainly. 
The 'band' is credited as The Augmented Ted Heath Orchestra....and there's lots of strings in the arrangements being used, plus some of Cole's musicians are highlighted in separate sections. The Mike Sammes singers do a section with Cole as well....this part of the programme is 'of it's time' of course and it was made in July 1963 when Cole was touring the UK with the Heath band backing him. Can anyone tell me when the band moved from the audience area to the dedicated band room at TVT? Martin Kempton's website seems to indicate that had happened by 1964.


With a series of very 'frontal' follow spots being used I was amazed at how well the boom op was doing keeping out of shot and picking up his vocals and chat, but at 32 minutes in, he touches his tie and the small clunk heard revealed that he was on a radio mic. I tend to forget that both the Beeb and ATV (Palladium Show) had them back then. Considering these were the days of BK6's worn on a lanyard around the neck and potentially troublesome radio kit, I think it's remarkable sound and blends with the inevitable occasional pre-recorded bits wonderfully, so well done to the gram op for his cueing as well.
If anyone has memories, or diary pages of this from that far back, they would be appreciated. I'm sure this programme also ties in with what I'm researching about the Pye sound consoles as ATV had them in 1961 and TC1 got one in 1964 so surely TVT's was in by July '63?


David


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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Wed Jun  2 14:36:15 2021
From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (SUSAN MALDEN)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:36:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!
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Im pleased you have found our British Entertainment History Project - 
www.historyproject.org.uk . There are loads of briliiant interviews 
there with people who have worked in Film, television, radio and theatre

Enjoy - Cheers Sue
Secretary of BEHP
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To: "David Taylor" <david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk>; "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" 
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Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Sent: Wednesday, 2 Jun, 21 At 20:28
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!



David,



At this URL, on P63 (coincidentally) is Yvonne?s recollection of the 
1963  Nat King Cole:-



https://historyproject.org.uk/sites/default/files/HP0227%20Yvonne%20Littlewood%20-%20Transcript.pdf 
<https://historyproject.org.uk/sites/default/files/HP0227%20Yvonne%20Littlewood%20-%20Transcript.pdf>



The whole document is fascinating ? best part of 5 hours of  interview.



Dave Newbitt.






From: David  Taylor via Tech1

Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 7:33 PM

To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat

Subject: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely  not!





Searching for an example to illustrate the '60's in  Television Theatre, 
I came across 'An Evening With Nat King Cole', which Yvonne  Littlewood 
directed in 1963.

What initially surprised me was that this was in colour....in  1963. 
Although I suspected it, the secret wasn't revealed until the very last 
credit, which reads 'Digital Color by CST Entertainment Inc'. Yes it was 
shot in  black and white (Pye Mk5's?) and for a DVD release it has been 
both 'colorized '  and digitally restored as there are no 2" Quad tape 
drop outs, or even  Telerecording film scratches visible.

The DVD is still available and there's this pretty good copy  on 
YouTube:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRostdhqww 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRostdhqww>

Do take a look.
In fact it's a stunning bit of restoration  I think and shows that a US 
production company was prepared to spend to make a  show available that 
showcased Cole's talents...and the BBC's too in fact,  although they did 
edit in new opening captions I see.



The sound, alas not credited (what a crime), surely by either  'Hugh or 
Len', is staggeringly good for 1963 and an exciting balance throughout. 
As good as Capitol, his record company,  were doing at the time 
certainly.
The 'band' is credited as The Augmented Ted Heath Orchestra....and 
there's  lots of strings in the arrangements being used, plus some of 
Cole's musicians  are highlighted in separate sections. The Mike Sammes 
singers do a section with  Cole as well....this part of the programme is 
'of it's time' of course and it  was made in July 1963 when Cole was 
touring the UK with the Heath band backing  him. Can anyone tell me when 
the band moved from the audience area to the  dedicated band room at 
TVT? Martin Kempton's website seems to indicate that had  happened by 
1964.



With a series of very 'frontal' follow spots being used I was  amazed at 
how well the boom op was doing keeping out of shot and picking up his 
vocals and chat, but at 32 minutes in, he touches his tie and the small 
clunk  heard revealed that he was on a radio mic. I tend to forget that 
both the Beeb  and ATV (Palladium Show) had them back then. Considering 
these were the days of  BK6's worn on a lanyard around the neck and 
potentially troublesome radio kit, I  think it's remarkable sound and 
blends with the inevitable occasional  pre-recorded bits wonderfully, so 
well done to the gram op for his cueing as  well.

If anyone has memories, or diary pages of this from that far  back, they 
would be appreciated. I'm sure this programme also ties in with what 
I'm researching about the Pye sound consoles as ATV had them in 1961 and 
TC1 got  one in 1964 so surely TVT's was in by July '63?



David

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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 14:53:21 2021
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:53:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!
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David,
Thankyou for that link.

DT

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:29, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

> David,
>
> At this URL, on P63 (coincidentally) is Yvonne?s recollection of the 1963
> Nat King Cole:-
>
>
> https://historyproject.org.uk/sites/default/files/HP0227%20Yvonne%20Littlewood%20-%20Transcript.pdf
>
> The whole document is fascinating ? best part of 5 hours of interview.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:* David Taylor via Tech1
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 2, 2021 7:33 PM
> *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!
>
> Searching for an example to illustrate the '60's in Television Theatre, I
> came across 'An Evening With Nat King Cole', which Yvonne Littlewood
> directed in 1963.
> What initially surprised me was that this was in colour....in 1963.
> Although I suspected it, the secret wasn't revealed until the very last
> credit, which reads 'Digital Color by CST Entertainment Inc'. Yes it was
> shot in black and white (Pye Mk5's?) and for a DVD release it has been both
> 'colorized ' and digitally restored as there are no 2" Quad tape drop outs,
> or even Telerecording film scratches visible.
> The DVD is still available and there's this pretty good copy on YouTube:  * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRostdhqww
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRostdhqww>*
> Do take a look.
> In fact it's a stunning bit of restoration I think and shows that a US
> production company was prepared to spend to make a show available that
> showcased Cole's talents...and the BBC's too in fact, although they did
> edit in new opening captions I see.
>
> The sound, alas not credited (what a crime), surely by either 'Hugh or
> Len', is staggeringly good for 1963 and an exciting balance throughout. As
> good as Capitol, his record company,  were doing at the time certainly.
> The 'band' is credited as The Augmented Ted Heath Orchestra....and there's
> lots of strings in the arrangements being used, plus some of Cole's
> musicians are highlighted in separate sections. The Mike Sammes singers do
> a section with Cole as well....this part of the programme is 'of it's time'
> of course and it was made in July 1963 when Cole was touring the UK with
> the Heath band backing him. Can anyone tell me when the band moved from the
> audience area to the dedicated band room at TVT? Martin Kempton's website
> seems to indicate that had happened by 1964.
>
> With a series of very 'frontal' follow spots being used I was amazed at
> how well the boom op was doing keeping out of shot and picking up his
> vocals and chat, but at 32 minutes in, he touches his tie and the small
> clunk heard revealed that he was on a radio mic. I tend to forget that both
> the Beeb and ATV (Palladium Show) had them back then. Considering these
> were the days of BK6's worn on a lanyard around the neck and potentially
> troublesome radio kit, I think it's remarkable sound and blends with the
> inevitable occasional pre-recorded bits wonderfully, so well done to the
> gram op for his cueing as well.
> If anyone has memories, or diary pages of this from that far back, they
> would be appreciated. I'm sure this programme also ties in with what I'm
> researching about the Pye sound consoles as ATV had them in 1961 and TC1
> got one in 1964 so surely TVT's was in by July '63?
>
> David
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 02:19:52 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 08:19:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!
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Marconi mk3 ?Beer Handle?   Image orthicons through 1963. 

Peter Fox

On 2 Jun 2021, at 20:37, SUSAN MALDEN via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Im pleased you have found our British Entertainment History Project - www.historyproject.org.uk . There are loads of briliiant interviews there with people who have worked in Film, television, radio and theatre

Enjoy - Cheers Sue
Secretary of BEHP


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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely not!

 
 
 
David,
 
 
 
At this URL, on P63 (coincidentally) is Yvonne?s recollection of the 1963  Nat King Cole:-
 
 
 
https://historyproject.org.uk/sites/default/files/HP0227%20Yvonne%20Littlewood%20-%20Transcript.pdf
 
 
 
The whole document is fascinating ? best part of 5 hours of  interview.
 
 
 
Dave Newbitt.
  
 
 
 
 
From: David  Taylor via Tech1 
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 7:33 PM
 
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
 
Subject: [Tech1] Colour at the TV Theatre in 1963....surely  not!
 
 
  
Searching for an example to illustrate the '60's in  Television Theatre, I came across 'An Evening With Nat King Cole', which Yvonne  Littlewood directed in 1963.  
 
What initially surprised me was that this was in colour....in  1963. Although I suspected it, the secret wasn't revealed until the very last  credit, which reads 'Digital Color by CST Entertainment Inc'. Yes it was shot in  black and white (Pye Mk5's?) and for a DVD release it has been both 'colorized '  and digitally restored as there are no 2" Quad tape drop outs, or even  Telerecording film scratches visible.
 
The DVD is still available and there's this pretty good copy  on YouTube:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRostdhqww
 
Do take a look.
In fact it's a stunning bit of restoration  I think and shows that a US production company was prepared to spend to make a  show available that showcased Cole's talents...and the BBC's too in fact,  although they did edit in new opening captions I see.
 

 
The sound, alas not credited (what a crime), surely by either  'Hugh or Len', is staggeringly good for 1963 and an exciting balance throughout.  As good as Capitol, his record company,  were doing at the time certainly.  
The 'band' is credited as The Augmented Ted Heath Orchestra....and there's  lots of strings in the arrangements being used, plus some of Cole's musicians  are highlighted in separate sections. The Mike Sammes singers do a section with  Cole as well....this part of the programme is 'of it's time' of course and it  was made in July 1963 when Cole was touring the UK with the Heath band backing  him. Can anyone tell me when the band moved from the audience area to the  dedicated band room at TVT? Martin Kempton's website seems to indicate that had  happened by 1964.
 

 
With a series of very 'frontal' follow spots being used I was  amazed at how well the boom op was doing keeping out of shot and picking up his  vocals and chat, but at 32 minutes in, he touches his tie and the small clunk  heard revealed that he was on a radio mic. I tend to forget that both the Beeb  and ATV (Palladium Show) had them back then. Considering these were the days of  BK6's worn on a lanyard around the neck and potentially troublesome radio kit, I  think it's remarkable sound and blends with the inevitable occasional  pre-recorded bits wonderfully, so well done to the gram op for his cueing as  well.
 
If anyone has memories, or diary pages of this from that far  back, they would be appreciated. I'm sure this programme also ties in with what  I'm researching about the Pye sound consoles as ATV had them in 1961 and TC1 got  one in 1964 so surely TVT's was in by July '63?
 

 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 05:24:26 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:24:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The obvious
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I bought some whole frozen crab. Always read the label!





Even if they can't spell shell

B
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 05:54:33 2021
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2021 11:54:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The obvious
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Looks a funny colour to me. I'd stick to fresh crabs if I were you.?JohnSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 04/06/2021  11:24  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] The obvious 
    
    I bought some whole frozen crab. Always read the label!
    
    
    
    
    
    Even if they can't spell shell
    
    B
  

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun  4 08:21:57 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:21:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The obvious
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This is what a crab ought to look like, or at least did look like a couple of weeks ago.



Warning: shell may contain huge amounts of crab.

Not too shabby for ?20, served outside a favourite restaurant within two feet of the sea wall and only a few yards from where it was landed that morning. 

Alan Taylor

> On 4 Jun 2021, at 11:55, jpn via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looks a funny colour to me. I'd stick to fresh crabs if I were you. 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 04/06/2021 11:24 (GMT+00:00)
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] The obvious
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> 
> I bought some whole frozen crab. Always read the label!
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 08:48:47 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:48:47 +0100
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Easy if you live near the sea. I expect if you live in
Southwold or wherever you can just shake the crab off your toe into the pot.
Here in Woodham it's a bit more difficult. The stall in Woking used to sell
my favourite blue crabs, but they are gone.  The usual online sources have
only had prepared crab for ages. It's delivered overnight, but I don't
think it can be as fresh as cooked then frozen and delivered in dry ice.
The crab looked perfectly normal when unbagged and defrosted, and tastes
very good.

B

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021, 14:22 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> This is what a crab ought to look like, or at least did look like a couple
> of weeks ago.
>
>
>
> Warning: shell may contain huge amounts of crab.
>
> Not too shabby for ?20, served outside a favourite restaurant within two
> feet of the sea wall and only a few yards from where it was landed that
> morning.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
> On 4 Jun 2021, at 11:55, jpn via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
> Looks a funny colour to me. I'd stick to fresh crabs if I were you.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 04/06/2021 11:24 (GMT+00:00)
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] The obvious
>
>
> I bought some whole frozen crab. Always read the label!
>
> <dheafchmepmnidoc.png>
>
>
> <dcipgfmjgiggocii.png>
>
>
> Even if they can't spell shell
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun  4 09:09:07 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:09:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The obvious
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I live near Banbury, which is about as far from the sea as you can get in the UK, but we did take a few days in a remote self catering place in May, once such things were permitted. 

We hadn?t travelled far from home for a year, so it was most welcome. 

In our village, the visiting fishmonger will deliver fresh crabs to order, but they?re little tidily ones. We occasionally get crabs or lobsters by arrangement with a wholesale fish supplier who delivers to top end restaurants. 

Alan Taylor 

> On 4 Jun 2021, at 14:49, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Easy if you live near the sea. I expect if you live in Southwold or wherever you can just shake the crab off your toe into the pot.
> Here in Woodham it's a bit more difficult. The stall in Woking used to sell my favourite blue crabs, but they are gone.  The usual online sources have only had prepared crab for ages. It's delivered overnight, but I don't think it can be as fresh as cooked then frozen and delivered in dry ice. The crab looked perfectly normal when unbagged and defrosted, and tastes very good.
> 
> B
> 
>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021, 14:22 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> This is what a crab ought to look like, or at least did look like a couple of weeks ago.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Warning: shell may contain huge amounts of crab.
>> 
>> Not too shabby for ?20, served outside a favourite restaurant within two feet of the sea wall and only a few yards from where it was landed that morning. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>>> On 4 Jun 2021, at 11:55, jpn via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Looks a funny colour to me. I'd stick to fresh crabs if I were you. 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> Date: 04/06/2021 11:24 (GMT+00:00)
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: [Tech1] The obvious
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I bought some whole frozen crab. Always read the label!
>>> 
>>> <dheafchmepmnidoc.png>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <dcipgfmjgiggocii.png>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Even if they can't spell shell
>>> 
>>> B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 15:54:11 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 21:54:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Nationwide film
Message-ID: <be47de53-a5db-7ee8-a39b-338cfb8f2480@gmail.com>

This from 1975 - rather a lot of location, then at around 1820 a very 
distinctive voice I never expected to hear again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWCBSu1Qzpc

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun  5 02:59:54 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 08:59:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Courage in children
Message-ID: <21244D2321D24FE7ABE49122D5F2DAB8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Regular media coverage of exceptional young people overcoming adversity is always inspiring and often humbling. Here?s one that may have had less exposure than some.

Early last month we had a week in Cornwall in the same self-catering we used last September at Porthallow on the NE Lizard. On the shingle at the cove was this boat which caught my eye with its smart paint finish:



Whenever I photograph a boat I try to find out a little more about it so I looked this one up on the UK Fishing Vessel List. It is named ?Boy Brad? which I discovered refers to a young man, now 13, named Bradley Pedrick. This extract from Classic Boat magazine two years ago explains:

?The Royal Yachting Association (RYA) and Italian luxury watchmaker Panerai recently announced the winner of the Panerai Challenger Trophy, set up to promote the positive power of sailing in young people?s lives. The winner, 11-year-old Bradley Pedrick, started sailing at Polkerris Beach in Cornwall less than a year ago.                                     His achievements ? learning to sail, putting on a wetsuit, carrying his own kit and helping others ? are made monumental by the difficulties he has faced in his life: a below-the-knee amputation at the age of three; kidney surgery at seven, followed by serious burns in an accident shortly afterwards; then more leg surgery that will continue until he is fully grown.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bradley received a grant of ?5,000 to continue his development in sailing. Polkerris Beach will also receive a grant of up to ?10,000 to purchase new equipment that further supports junior sailors or windsurfers.                                                                                                                                                                                                               Winning the grant will mean a huge amount to Brad. It will enable him to have one-to-one sailing sessions, which combined with regular attendance at his sailing club, will help him to build on his passion for sailing and develop his talent.Bradley also received the impressive Challenger Trophy, designed and sculpted in leather by leading contemporary designer Simon Hasan and inspired by a spinnaker drop on Panerai?s 1936 Fife yacht Eilean.?

Polkerris referred to in the article is next door to Porthallow Cove where I took the photograph.

Here?s a link to a clip from SW regional TV from July 2019:-                 https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/meet-cornwalls-11-year-old-3050500

And here?s the lad himself from the magazine photo, pictured with the sculptor of the trophy he was awarded:



I really must quit whingeing about my aches and pains and old age deterioration!

Dave Newbitt.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun  5 03:50:00 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 09:50:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Courage in children
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Dave ? what a heart-warming story!
The fact that people/children with disabilities won?t let them get in the way of what they want to achieve, is inspiring.
Some years ago, I was asked by H.T.O.Tel.S to help the Guildford branch of the Red Cross to make a promotional film showing donors where their money was applied. (I think this was a penance for my making the unofficial colour movie of the B & W Minstrels in 1962-3). Shooting it mute, meant that the pictures had to tell the story, and it took a year to film as the myriad activities took place over that period. One sequence involved disabled youngsters being taken on a coach trip to the seaside with their Junior Red Cross carers. One lad in a wheelchair was fascinated by my BBC job, and we had a long chat, during which I asked him what most pissed him off about being wheelchair bound. He said that, for instance, people ask my carer if I want a piece of cake, ? I can tell them that, but it seems that some people, although well-meaning, equate physical disability with mental conditions. This absolutely echoed the programme: ?Does he take sugar?? which highlighted this perception.

Following the knowledge of what the Red Cross does, from then on, I try to support them by buying my Christmas Cards from them, and still do, all these years later.
Best
Pat


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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 05 June 2021 09:00
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Courage in children

Regular media coverage of exceptional young people overcoming adversity is always inspiring and often humbling. Here?s one that may have had less exposure than some.
?
Early last month we had a week in Cornwall in the same self-catering we used last September at Porthallow on the NE Lizard. On the shingle at the cove was this boat which caught my eye with its smart paint finish:
?

?
Whenever I photograph a boat I try to find out a little more about it so I looked this one up on the UK Fishing Vessel List. It is named ?Boy Brad? which I discovered refers to a young man, now 13, named Bradley Pedrick. This extract from Classic Boat magazine two years ago explains:
?
?The Royal Yachting Association (RYA) and Italian luxury watchmaker Panerai recently announced the winner of the Panerai Challenger Trophy, set up to promote the positive power of sailing in young people?s lives. The winner, 11-year-old Bradley Pedrick, started sailing at Polkerris Beach in Cornwall less than a year ago.???????????????????????????????????? His achievements ? learning to sail, putting on a wetsuit, carrying his own kit and helping others ? are made monumental by the difficulties he has faced in his life: a below-the-knee amputation at the age of three; kidney surgery at seven, followed by serious burns in an accident shortly afterwards; then more leg surgery that will continue until he is fully grown.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Bradley received a grant of ?5,000 to continue his development in sailing. Polkerris Beach will also receive a grant of up to ?10,000 to purchase new equipment that further supports junior sailors or windsurfers.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Winning the grant will mean a huge amount to Brad. It will enable him to have one-to-one sailing sessions, which combined with regular attendance at his sailing club, will help him to build on his passion for sailing and develop his talent.Bradley also received the impressive Challenger Trophy, designed and sculpted in leather by leading contemporary designer Simon Hasan and inspired by a spinnaker drop on Panerai?s 1936 Fife yacht Eilean.?
Polkerris referred to in the article is next door to Porthallow Cove where I took the photograph.
Here?s a link to a clip from SW regional TV from July 2019:-???????????????? https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/meet-cornwalls-11-year-old-3050500
And here?s the lad himself from the magazine photo, pictured with the sculptor of the trophy he was awarded:

I really must quit whingeing about my aches and pains and old age deterioration!
Dave Newbitt.



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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  5 06:24:32 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2021 12:24:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] I'm now OLED.
Message-ID: <5937ca7fbbdavesound@btinternet.com>

Bit the bullet and bought an LG G1.

First impressions good. Once taming down the picture setting to what I
want, impressed so far. HIGNFY on HD looked the best I've ever seen it.
Blacks on an OLED really are black - a bit like a CRT - and the best flesh
tones I've seen in ages. And viewing angle makes little difference, unlike
LCD. Internal sound - which I'll never use - not too bad either.

Would you believe on such an expensive set, no user manual? But plenty
regulatory paperwork in every language known to man.

It's my first set with a built in satellite tuner. Blurb just mentioned
FreeSat, but if can also act as a normal STB tuner, and control my
rotating dish. So one less STB needed. It took 2 hours to tune in
everything from just the Astra satellites. Thousands of progs. The
favourites function will take some time to set up. ;-)

On first switching on, thought it soft as old boots. Only later found the
protective film over the screen.

This was courtesy of the lockdown. Isolating for all that time meant less
money spent.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun  5 07:43:31 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 13:43:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] I'm now OLED.
In-Reply-To: <5937ca7fbbdavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <5937ca7fbbdavesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <60bb7173.1c69fb81.80cdd.adef@mx.google.com>

Love the fact that you were spoofed with the protective film, how close were you to sending it back??

Where I live we cannot get satellite as there are trees in the way, but when I stayed with a friend in Canada, I was impressed that he had a 3m motorised dish in his backyard.
One could view a movie on the eastern satellite ? 2 hours later, swing the dish to the Midwest, then 2 hours after that, to the western bird. Also one could eavesdrop into the bounce of raw programme footage from East to West, although I would hope that now it?s encrypted!
Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 05 June 2021 12:24
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] I'm now OLED.

Bit the bullet and bought an LG G1.


On first switching on, thought it soft as old boots. Only later found the
protective film over the screen.




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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Jun  7 05:48:40 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 11:48:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise Cancelling Headphones
Message-ID: <C32CD6AA-09D1-4108-9072-E319567A128B@vincent68.plus.com>

A week ago builders turned up at the house backing on to me and started ripping out the roof. Looking at the councils planning site they have permission for a monster roof conversion that is apparently allowed under ?Permtted Development?. This means neighbours do not have to be informed or consulted! Be aware and get registered on your councils automatic system for works in your area.

So its another summer of noise making it impossible to sit outside.

Unless I can block it out.

I?ve recorded some background noise of my garden at a quiet time and have been looking for noise reducing headphones.

?500 plus for good ones!!

In ear pods and ear defenders over the top work quite well but are a bit uncomfortable.

Any ideas?

John V

From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Jun  7 06:05:20 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 12:05:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise Cancelling Headphones
In-Reply-To: <C32CD6AA-09D1-4108-9072-E319567A128B@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <C32CD6AA-09D1-4108-9072-E319567A128B@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <8F645180-BAB1-416E-BBD0-7C0AD57F7316@icloud.com>

I?m very pleased with my Bose Quiet Comfort ones.

?229 from John Lewis or there?s here . . .

https://www.onbuy.com/gb/bose-quietcomfort-35-wireless-headphones-ii-black~c11487~p9688836/?exta=gshp&stat=eyJpcCI6IjE0MS45MCIsImRwIjowLCJsaWQiOiI0MzcwODUwNCIsInMiOiI1IiwidCI6MTYyMzAzNzYzNCwiYm1jIjoiMC4wIn0=&lid=43708504&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_eFBhDZARIsALHjIKc5eFguooiiBhUtDoAqowAKBPie5i1iMuG9F-WKBadU7zJTYo4QUAAaArWCEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds <https://www.onbuy.com/gb/bose-quietcomfort-35-wireless-headphones-ii-black~c11487~p9688836/?exta=gshp&stat=eyJpcCI6IjE0MS45MCIsImRwIjowLCJsaWQiOiI0MzcwODUwNCIsInMiOiI1IiwidCI6MTYyMzAzNzYzNCwiYm1jIjoiMC4wIn0=&lid=43708504&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_eFBhDZARIsALHjIKc5eFguooiiBhUtDoAqowAKBPie5i1iMuG9F-WKBadU7zJTYo4QUAAaArWCEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds>




Peter Neill



> On 7 Jun 2021, at 11:48, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A week ago builders turned up at the house backing on to me and started ripping out the roof. Looking at the councils planning site they have permission for a monster roof conversion that is apparently allowed under ?Permtted Development?. This means neighbours do not have to be informed or consulted! Be aware and get registered on your councils automatic system for works in your area.
> 
> So its another summer of noise making it impossible to sit outside.
> 
> Unless I can block it out.
> 
> I?ve recorded some background noise of my garden at a quiet time and have been looking for noise reducing headphones.
> 
> ?500 plus for good ones!!
> 
> In ear pods and ear defenders over the top work quite well but are a bit uncomfortable.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> John V
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  7 06:19:32 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 12:19:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise Cancelling Headphones
In-Reply-To: <C32CD6AA-09D1-4108-9072-E319567A128B@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <C32CD6AA-09D1-4108-9072-E319567A128B@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <2A4E82CA-20A5-42FC-991F-178FF87A62E6@btinternet.com>

Fantastic! I have these, review as the best?John lewis
Expensive but so worth it top spec for noise cancelling. Before Lockdown used with great effect on many flights. America, Canada, Alaska, Washington etc


Sony WH-1000XM3 Noise Cancelling Wireless Bluetooth NFC High Resolution Audio Over-Ear Headphones with Mic/Remote, Black

Product Price, 
?235.00
This product has received, on average,4.50 star reviews,

Free standard delivery


Black
Silver
Currently in stock



> On 7 Jun 2021, at 11:48, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A week ago builders turned up at the house backing on to me and started ripping out the roof. Looking at the councils planning site they have permission for a monster roof conversion that is apparently allowed under ?Permtted Development?. This means neighbours do not have to be informed or consulted! Be aware and get registered on your councils automatic system for works in your area.
> 
> So its another summer of noise making it impossible to sit outside.
> 
> Unless I can block it out.
> 
> I?ve recorded some background noise of my garden at a quiet time and have been looking for noise reducing headphones.
> 
> ?500 plus for good ones!!
> 
> In ear pods and ear defenders over the top work quite well but are a bit uncomfortable.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> John V
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 06:26:02 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 12:26:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS data grab
Message-ID: <2ad8a2ab-9141-35a9-f053-dae5a0464af9@zero51.force9.co.uk>

Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload all 
their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st July? If 
you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they won't erase 
what they have already taken.

NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions and 
allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.

You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course 
it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS even 
more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in later if 
you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and opting out 
won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.

Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at very 
short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.

Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a 
source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a 
sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too late.

https://medconfidential.org/ <https://medconfidential.org/>

Peter F


From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 07:06:59 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:06:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
Message-ID: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>

I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active hyperlink.


Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload all 
their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st July? If 
you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they won't erase 
what they have already taken.

NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions and 
allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.

You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course 
it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS even 
more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in later if 
you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and opting out 
won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.

Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at very 
short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.

Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a 
source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a 
sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too late.

https://medconfidential.org

Peter F


From nickrodger at mac.com  Mon Jun  7 09:26:24 2021
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 15:26:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise Cancelling Headphones
In-Reply-To: <2A4E82CA-20A5-42FC-991F-178FF87A62E6@btinternet.com>
References: <2A4E82CA-20A5-42FC-991F-178FF87A62E6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9F0CB758-C820-497A-998F-C855758DBE94@mac.com>

Or there?s the slightly newer model 

https://www.johnlewis.com/search?search-term=Sony%20WH-1000XM4 

I?ve just got a pair, they seem brilliant. 

Nick Rodger 
Cameraman 
07971 007578 
nickrodger at mac.com  

Sent from my iPhone. 
Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 

Don?t blame me!! 
I voted Remain ??




On 7 Jun 2021, at 12:20, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Fantastic! I have these, review as the best?John lewis
Expensive but so worth it top spec for noise cancelling. Before Lockdown used with great effect on many flights. America, Canada, Alaska, Washington etc


Sony WH-1000XM3 Noise Cancelling Wireless Bluetooth NFC High Resolution Audio Over-Ear Headphones with Mic/Remote, Black

Product Price, 
?235.00
This product has received, on average,4.50 star reviews,

Free standard delivery


Black
Silver
Currently in stock



> On 7 Jun 2021, at 11:48, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A week ago builders turned up at the house backing on to me and started ripping out the roof. Looking at the councils planning site they have permission for a monster roof conversion that is apparently allowed under ?Permtted Development?. This means neighbours do not have to be informed or consulted! Be aware and get registered on your councils automatic system for works in your area.
> 
> So its another summer of noise making it impossible to sit outside.
> 
> Unless I can block it out.
> 
> I?ve recorded some background noise of my garden at a quiet time and have been looking for noise reducing headphones.
> 
> ?500 plus for good ones!!
> 
> In ear pods and ear defenders over the top work quite well but are a bit uncomfortable.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> John V
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 10:43:47 2021
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 16:43:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Noise Cancelling Headphones
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References: <C32CD6AA-09D1-4108-9072-E319567A128B@vincent68.plus.com>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun  7 13:07:40 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 19:07:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <60be606c.1c69fb81.f5e4a.eef8@mx.google.com>

I do not have any issue with medical professionals being able to access my records. As long as it doesn?t lead to a shower of advertisements trying to sell me ?quack? medicines!
A case in point ? I have a lady friend who is bi-polar. She suffered a huge ?wobble? ? we ended up in Charing Cross Hospital (because the ambulance crew told me that there was a neurological unit there). I managed to get some phone numbers off her phone, including her doctor?s surgery, so the hospital was able to contact and find out what medication she was on. That would have been so much faster with a few keystrokes into her records. (I had no knowledge of the condition at that time, and I was scared ? she was hallucinating, and thought that I was her father).

Pat




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From: Peter Fox via Tech1
Sent: 07 June 2021 13:07
To: Tech-OpsMailing List
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab

I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active hyperlink.


Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload all 
their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st July? If 
you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they won't erase 
what they have already taken.

NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions and 
allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.

You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course 
it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS even 
more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in later if 
you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and opting out 
won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.

Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at very 
short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.

Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a 
source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a 
sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too late.

https://medconfidential.org

Peter F

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 05:21:30 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 11:21:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <464d18fa-c3f7-bcc9-d738-ec6fcadfee16@chriswoolf.co.uk>

It's a very difficult problem, and don't know which way to go.

I fell of a scaffolding a few days ago and did a fair bit of damage. The 
ability of the hospital to compare old CT scans with current ones, pull 
up GP medication etc without much assistance from me undoubtedly made 
life much easier.

But I don't like the idea of the NHS gaining an income selling my 
(psuedoanonymised) data drug companies to allow them to profit from my 
mishaps.

There seems to be no sensible middle way, and indeed bl**dy Boris 
doesn't want there to be.

Chris Woolf


On 07/06/2021 13:06, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
> I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active 
> hyperlink.
>
>
> Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload 
> all their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st 
> July? If you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they 
> won't erase what they have already taken.
>
> NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions 
> and allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.
>
> You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course 
> it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS 
> even more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in 
> later if you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and 
> opting out won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.
>
> Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at 
> very short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.
>
> Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a 
> source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a 
> sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too 
> late.
>
> https://medconfidential.org
>
> Peter F
>

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun  8 05:52:26 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 11:52:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <464d18fa-c3f7-bcc9-d738-ec6fcadfee16@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <464d18fa-c3f7-bcc9-d738-ec6fcadfee16@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <163089C0-D71C-4473-B288-5A1274661271@me.com>

I have no problem with my medical data being used by genuine medical professions, but I am totally against anonymised medical data being sold to private companies. I am even more opposed to a scheme where the government pretends it?s for scientific research, but in reality it could be sold to commercial companies. Once our data has been passed left NHS servers, it can?t be recalled. 

One of the reasons why I am so strongly against it is because I did a series of corporate videos for a well known software company ( can?t publicly name them due to NDC ), where they were boasting about how powerful their data mining technology was.

The essence of it is that although your medical data cannot be directly linked to you, other agencies such as Facebook, Google, Amazon, insurers and supermarkets also know an incredible amount about you.  If a medical record refers to somebody with a risky condition ( such as heart condition, alcoholism, depression etc ),there is a good chance that by using data mining techniques , they can narrow the number of people it could be so that they are pretty certain that it is one particular individual. If that information can in turn be sold to an insurer, then you can see how things could turn out.

It?s possible that the company was overstating it?s abilities to a certain extent, but what they were claiming sounded totally plausible and when you combine that with the extraordinary amount of data that Facebook, Amazon and Google collect about individuals, it?s best not to add to that mass of data.

One problem is that more and more aspects of modern life are governed by algorithms and if the algorithm deduces something about you, there is no way to appeal against an algorithm, even if you believe it?s wrong.

Alan Taylor





> On 8 Jun 2021, at 11:22, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?It's a very difficult problem, and don't know which way to go.
> 
> I fell of a scaffolding a few days ago and did a fair bit of damage. The ability of the hospital to compare old CT scans with current ones, pull up GP medication etc without much assistance from me undoubtedly made life much easier.
> 
> But I don't like the idea of the NHS gaining an income selling my (psuedoanonymised) data drug companies to allow them to profit from my mishaps.
> 
> There seems to be no sensible middle way, and indeed bl**dy Boris doesn't want there to be.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
>> On 07/06/2021 13:06, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
>> I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active hyperlink.
>> 
>> 
>> Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload all their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st July? If you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they won't erase what they have already taken.
>> 
>> NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions and allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.
>> 
>> You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS even more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in later if you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and opting out won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.
>> 
>> Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at very short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.
>> 
>> Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too late.
>> 
>> https://medconfidential.org
>> 
>> Peter F
>> 
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Tue Jun  8 08:31:31 2021
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:31:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <464d18fa-c3f7-bcc9-d738-ec6fcadfee16@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<464d18fa-c3f7-bcc9-d738-ec6fcadfee16@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00e801d75c6a$97f47c70$c7dd7550$@btopenworld.com>

This is only the start of commercialising the NHS.

Boris has appointed a supremo from Centene Corporation of America, as an
"adviser" on how to reshape the NHS. If you track the recent history of the
NHS over the last, say, 15 years we've moved from small local Primary Care
Groups (PCGs) to regional PCGs and the next stage is to be the creation of
so called Integrated Care Systems based on the US Medicated Managed Care
Centene is the market leader in MMCs and generates huge profits ($5.2bn -
$111bn over eight years).

It does this by reducing the quality of care, influencing right wing
political parties with donations, failure to comply with regulations, paying
peanuts and maximising contract exclusions.

The greater the access to our data the better to shape services to exclude.

JohnB

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Chris Woolf via
Tech1
Sent: 08 June 2021 11:22
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab

It's a very difficult problem, and don't know which way to go.

I fell of a scaffolding a few days ago and did a fair bit of damage. The
ability of the hospital to compare old CT scans with current ones, pull up
GP medication etc without much assistance from me undoubtedly made life much
easier.

But I don't like the idea of the NHS gaining an income selling my
(psuedoanonymised) data drug companies to allow them to profit from my
mishaps.

There seems to be no sensible middle way, and indeed bl**dy Boris doesn't
want there to be.

Chris Woolf


On 07/06/2021 13:06, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
> I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active 
> hyperlink.
>
>
> Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload 
> all their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st 
> July? If you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they 
> won't erase what they have already taken.
>
> NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions 
> and allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.
>
> You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course 
> it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS 
> even more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in 
> later if you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and 
> opting out won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.
>
> Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at 
> very short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.
>
> Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a 
> source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a 
> sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too 
> late.
>
> https://medconfidential.org
>
> Peter F
>

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun  8 08:52:28 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:52:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <00e801d75c6a$97f47c70$c7dd7550$@btopenworld.com>
References: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
	<464d18fa-c3f7-bcc9-d738-ec6fcadfee16@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<00e801d75c6a$97f47c70$c7dd7550$@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <60bf761c.1c69fb81.5f586.968a@mx.google.com>

I was under the impression that American citizens do not like the idea of a National Health Service that we have. They prefer to pay, either directly, or via expensive insurance. It?s said that as one goes through the hospital doors on the gurney, they extract your credit card before anything happens!
I was always puzzled that American footballers dress themselves up in body armour and padding compared to our rugger buggers who might only put a bit of Elastoplast across their ears. American friends told me that it?s not that they are wimpish, but that medical treatment is expensive, and insurance premiums practically stratospheric for contact sports.
Pat

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From: jpbarlow--- via Tech1
Sent: 08 June 2021 14:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab

This is only the start of commercialising the NHS.

Boris has appointed a supremo from Centene Corporation of America, as an
"adviser" on how to reshape the NHS. If you track the recent history of the
NHS over the last, say, 15 years we've moved from small local Primary Care
Groups (PCGs) to regional PCGs and the next stage is to be the creation of
so called Integrated Care Systems based on the US Medicated Managed Care
Centene is the market leader in MMCs and generates huge profits ($5.2bn -
$111bn over eight years).

It does this by reducing the quality of care, influencing right wing
political parties with donations, failure to comply with regulations, paying
peanuts and maximising contract exclusions.

The greater the access to our data the better to shape services to exclude.

JohnB




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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 09:20:10 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 15:20:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <60bf761c.1c69fb81.5f586.968a@mx.google.com>
References: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>	<464d18fa-c3f7-bcc9-d738-ec6fcadfee16@chriswoolf.co.uk>	<00e801d75c6a$97f47c70$c7dd7550$@btopenworld.com>
	<60bf761c.1c69fb81.5f586.968a@mx.google.com>
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All the top pro players have full medical insurance paid for by the team owners

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 08 June 2021 14:52
To: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab

 

I was under the impression that American citizens do not like the idea of a National Health Service that we have. They prefer to pay, either directly, or via expensive insurance. It?s said that as one goes through the hospital doors on the gurney, they extract your credit card before anything happens!

I was always puzzled that American footballers dress themselves up in body armour and padding compared to our rugger buggers who might only put a bit of Elastoplast across their ears. American friends told me that it?s not that they are wimpish, but that medical treatment is expensive, and insurance premiums practically stratospheric for contact sports.

Pat

 

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From: jpbarlow--- via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 08 June 2021 14:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab

 

This is only the start of commercialising the NHS.

 

Boris has appointed a supremo from Centene Corporation of America, as an

"adviser" on how to reshape the NHS. If you track the recent history of the

NHS over the last, say, 15 years we've moved from small local Primary Care

Groups (PCGs) to regional PCGs and the next stage is to be the creation of

so called Integrated Care Systems based on the US Medicated Managed Care

Centene is the market leader in MMCs and generates huge profits ($5.2bn -

$111bn over eight years).

 

It does this by reducing the quality of care, influencing right wing

political parties with donations, failure to comply with regulations, paying

peanuts and maximising contract exclusions.

 

The greater the access to our data the better to shape services to exclude.

 

JohnB

 

 

 

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From tonys at tonyscott.org.uk  Tue Jun  8 10:27:28 2021
From: tonys at tonyscott.org.uk (Tony Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:27:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <002a01d75c71$64a40690$2dec13b0$@gmail.com>
References: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
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The plan has now. been delayed until September 2021.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021, 15:20 David Denness via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> All the top pro players have full medical insurance paid for by the team
> owners
>
> Dave D
>
>
>
> *From:* Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *patheigham
> via Tech1
> *Sent:* 08 June 2021 14:52
> *To:* jpbarlow at btopenworld.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
>
>
>
> I was under the impression that American citizens do not like the idea of
> a National Health Service that we have. They prefer to pay, either
> directly, or via expensive insurance. It?s said that as one goes through
> the hospital doors on the gurney, they extract your credit card before
> anything happens!
>
> I was always puzzled that American footballers dress themselves up in body
> armour and padding compared to our rugger buggers who might only put a bit
> of Elastoplast across their ears. American friends told me that it?s not
> that they are wimpish, but that medical treatment is expensive, and
> insurance premiums practically stratospheric for contact sports.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *jpbarlow--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *08 June 2021 14:31
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
>
>
>
> This is only the start of commercialising the NHS.
>
>
>
> Boris has appointed a supremo from Centene Corporation of America, as an
>
> "adviser" on how to reshape the NHS. If you track the recent history of the
>
> NHS over the last, say, 15 years we've moved from small local Primary Care
>
> Groups (PCGs) to regional PCGs and the next stage is to be the creation of
>
> so called Integrated Care Systems based on the US Medicated Managed Care
>
> Centene is the market leader in MMCs and generates huge profits ($5.2bn -
>
> $111bn over eight years).
>
>
>
> It does this by reducing the quality of care, influencing right wing
>
> political parties with donations, failure to comply with regulations,
> paying
>
> peanuts and maximising contract exclusions.
>
>
>
> The greater the access to our data the better to shape services to exclude.
>
>
>
> JohnB
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 12:02:43 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 18:02:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Used audio casettes
Message-ID: <431B1F65F08143B491D8992B179F6695@Gigabyte>

Does anyone know an environmentally/easy/possibly profitable way to dispose of about 900 audio cassettes. About  300 with recordings on and rest new but most without cases.
A mixture of C60 and C120 (remember those!)
They are the heritage from a local Talking Newspapers before we went to USB sticks. We have a bulk eraser but most of the used ones have a return label firmly stuck on them!

It seems a shame to send to the dump but even someone a while ago who suggested sending to Africa has gone quiet.
I am keeping a few new ones to go with about the last cassette portable recorder we have to record AGMs etc! (Don?t laugh)

I suppose the same goes for the many many VHS and a few Betamax tapes I have but have dumped any wanted videos to digital!
I must look through my old LPs as, looking in an antique shop in Chiswick today, LPs are going at around ?20 and a few (Beatles white one etc) nearer ?150.

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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 04:36:02 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 10:36:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <33d9d850-f269-1f34-686a-991a31530160@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DB9PR08MB70495922F6EF7574F360D453D0369@DB9PR08MB7049.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, 

I know a little about this issue as my brother was a clinical pathologist of some note. He began the computerisation of his department at Jimmy?s in Leeds alone and no funding in the late 1980?s and the Government came to see him. He told Blair a pandemic was on its way It was when not if. and that there should be paperless hospitals so that if you arrived at A and E they would have a full profile and be able to treat you without delay. No faffing around waiting for notes to come from the bowels of the building, badly written up and a mess.  That was pre 2000.  Doctors are only as good as he information they have. 

The Tory?s arrived and there was a battle. By this time my brother had started Informatics. Data-mining NHS info and the true efficacy of drugs out in the real world. Unfortunately he died of leukaemia in 2014 and there is now a building named after him at Leeds Uni where they do this work. Only three people are allowed access. Its used for planning in all sorts of ways, not just medical
He did lots of other things like work on BSE. He was vilified in parliament for this. Work on Downs Syndrome, on diabetes and finally on leukaemia He set up a lab in his attic and was telling the oncology team where they were under prescribing drugs in its control  which eventually lead to a change of treatment across the NHS. That he survived 10 years longer than predicted was testament to his continuous research even when very ill so that others would benefit. . 

So the Government wanted to sell the NHS records that you, me and the rest of us paid for in our taxes for ?40m to US medical Insurance companies. He raised the money to avoid this - they are worth billions !!! its the only data base in the world that has been going for over 60 years with a complete cross section of people and conditions. Its an amazing resource which we should own ourselves for ourselves and our children and grandchildren. 

If the companies had to access and paid real money each time they used it,  it would fund the NHS for years but they want it on the cheap and for me its frankly stealing. 

Your data is one of the most expensive/ valuable  items you own.Your health is priceless.  Until people get to grips with this, the companies will continue to steal it. So I would advise you to opt out ASAP before you forget. They can find out where you live because it will have enough for them to do that. It will have ramifications not just for you but your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. 

Take care, 

sara

 



> On 7 Jun 2021, at 13:06, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active hyperlink.
> 
> 
> Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload all their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st July? If you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they won't erase what they have already taken.
> 
> NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions and allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.
> 
> You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS even more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in later if you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and opting out won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.
> 
> Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at very short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.
> 
> Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too late.
> 
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedconfidential.org%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb9cc7bd54bfb4676a68508d929acd7d7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637586644589952975%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=dpuxDNzZKxWCJ0pfuzx7V6LGFFK%2FQ1fLsDCRBNX2kR0%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 06:04:32 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:04:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The trouble with cameras....
Message-ID: <07292c65-710a-648f-e87d-60e14170912c@gmail.com>



...is that automatic or manual, you have a lot of trouble getting an 
exposure on the sun in cloudy conditions. 1/2500 at f8, in the end

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jun 10 06:23:20 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:23:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Used audio casettes
In-Reply-To: <431B1F65F08143B491D8992B179F6695@Gigabyte>
References: <431B1F65F08143B491D8992B179F6695@Gigabyte>
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Hi Mike,
I had a look on the Internet, in case there was any advice.
In general, nothing much. If the cassettes are dismantled, a horrendous task for 900(!) the tape is non-recyclable as it?s coated with toxic ingredients. There is also a small metal shield behind the tape where the head fits. Here in Surrey, we are asked not to put black plastic food trays in for recycling ? apparently the sorting machinery cannot recognise ?black?, so if the cassette shells are black, presumably the same applies.
As far as any profit might be available, only commercial pre-recorded music tapes that might be rare are possible.
New and unused ones might find a buyer on E-Bay, perhaps ? might be worth an advert to test the water.
In Guildford there was a secondhand LP shop, but my collection was mostly ?middle of the road? stuff, of no interest to him (Mantovani, Conniff, Kaempfert etc). ? best offer was 5p a disc or 10p if I wanted to buy something from his CD stock.

Not much help, I?m afraid.
Regards
Pat

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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 08 June 2021 18:03
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Used audio casettes

Does anyone know an environmentally/easy/possibly profitable way to dispose of about 900 audio cassettes. About? 300 with recordings on and rest new but most without cases.
A mixture of C60 and C120 (remember those!)
They are the heritage from a local Talking Newspapers before we went to USB sticks. We have a bulk eraser but most of the used ones have a return label firmly stuck on them!
?
It seems a shame to send to the dump but even someone a while ago who suggested sending to Africa has gone quiet.
I am keeping a few new ones to go with about the last cassette portable recorder we have to record AGMs etc! (Don?t laugh)
?
I suppose the same goes for the many many VHS and a few Betamax tapes I have but have dumped any wanted videos to digital!
I must look through my old LPs as, looking in an antique shop in Chiswick today, LPs are going at around ?20 and a few (Beatles white one etc) nearer ?150.
?
Mike Jordan



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jun 10 06:26:35 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:26:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The trouble with cameras....
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Looks as though the cow got hungry during its jump!
Pat

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...is that automatic or manual, you have a lot of trouble getting an exposure on the sun in cloudy conditions. 1/2500 at f8, in the end

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 10 06:27:46 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:27:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Best pictures?
Message-ID: <593a5df9a3davesound@btinternet.com>

Having bought a new TV, which prog uses the very best cameras currently
available?

It would likely be UK studio, and one where they still have racks men or
whatever.

HIGNFY usually looks pretty good - but wondered what others have as a
standard to judge everything by?

Being a sound man, I despair of the lack of care taken with so much TV
sound. So hoping the picture side might have one or two still made in the
old fashioned way.

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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Jun 10 06:28:09 2021
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:28:09 +0100
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Jun 10 06:32:21 2021
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:32:21 +0100
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This isnt much cop, The telescope with sun filter gets a good image but only a few seconds in cloud gaps to find it and frame up. And the iphone did not get it at all well
Peter Fox

From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Jun 10 11:23:27 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:23:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
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Sara,

That's sad? but also amazing. You must be proud of your brother for 
leaving such a worthwhile legacy. Our ephemeral efforts in TV, mostly 
lost to the ether and many deliberately wiped just don't compare.. I 
agree with you about all that data being so casually splashed about. 
It's not a matter of how much our individual data is worth so much as 
how it will be misused once control of it is lost. Look how many "third 
party" miners of tracking data are feeding from the trough of our 
internet interests and purchases. We'll end up paying many times over 
for big pharma research results or maybe we just won't be able to access 
it at all, if the insurance model completely takes over in England. It's 
strange how some really crap ideas seem to cross the Atlantic in our 
direction, and insurance based health care that cancels anyone who can't 
afford it or has pre-existing conditions is probably the worst. Of 
course research is motivated by rewards but the prices charged are obscene.

You have said how your brother was able to search through patient data 
in the past, on a need to know basis and the ability to do that long 
predates this current episode. It's fairly clear the current data grab 
must be driven by the desire to monetise the data wholesale rather than 
enabling research and planning.

I am not against research, hence my support of the Zoe/Kings Covid 
symptom tracker and it's wider future application, and Moorfields 
research, it's the cynical monetisation with no control or feedback to 
subscribers that upsets me.

So there you are, I have opted out now using the type 1 opt-out via 
letter/form to? the GP and on-line via the National opt out (previously 
type2). I am not waiting for someone to "forget" to alter the 23rd June 
cut off date to match the new September delay. As I have said elsewhere, 
I wouldn't trust a government promise further than I could push a red bus.

Peter



On 09/06/2021 10:36, sara newman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know a little about this issue as my brother was a clinical pathologist of some note. He began the computerisation of his department at Jimmy?s in Leeds alone and no funding in the late 1980?s and the Government came to see him. He told Blair a pandemic was on its way It was when not if. and that there should be paperless hospitals so that if you arrived at A and E they would have a full profile and be able to treat you without delay. No faffing around waiting for notes to come from the bowels of the building, badly written up and a mess.  That was pre 2000.  Doctors are only as good as he information they have.
>
> The Tory?s arrived and there was a battle. By this time my brother had started Informatics. Data-mining NHS info and the true efficacy of drugs out in the real world. Unfortunately he died of leukaemia in 2014 and there is now a building named after him at Leeds Uni where they do this work. Only three people are allowed access. Its used for planning in all sorts of ways, not just medical
> He did lots of other things like work on BSE. He was vilified in parliament for this. Work on Downs Syndrome, on diabetes and finally on leukaemia He set up a lab in his attic and was telling the oncology team where they were under prescribing drugs in its control  which eventually lead to a change of treatment across the NHS. That he survived 10 years longer than predicted was testament to his continuous research even when very ill so that others would benefit. .
>
> So the Government wanted to sell the NHS records that you, me and the rest of us paid for in our taxes for ?40m to US medical Insurance companies. He raised the money to avoid this - they are worth billions !!! its the only data base in the world that has been going for over 60 years with a complete cross section of people and conditions. Its an amazing resource which we should own ourselves for ourselves and our children and grandchildren.
>
> If the companies had to access and paid real money each time they used it,  it would fund the NHS for years but they want it on the cheap and for me its frankly stealing.
>
> Your data is one of the most expensive/ valuable  items you own.Your health is priceless.  Until people get to grips with this, the companies will continue to steal it. So I would advise you to opt out ASAP before you forget. They can find out where you live because it will have enough for them to do that. It will have ramifications not just for you but your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.
>
> Take care,
>
> sara
>
>   
>
>
>
>> On 7 Jun 2021, at 13:06, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active hyperlink.
>>
>>
>> Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload all their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st July? If you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they won't erase what they have already taken.
>>
>> NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions and allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.
>>
>> You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS even more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in later if you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and opting out won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.
>>
>> Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at very short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.
>>
>> Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too late.
>>
>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedconfidential.org%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb9cc7bd54bfb4676a68508d929acd7d7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637586644589952975%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=dpuxDNzZKxWCJ0pfuzx7V6LGFFK%2FQ1fLsDCRBNX2kR0%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>> Peter F
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 11 18:19:06 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 00:19:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something to make you smile !
Message-ID: <711f3b7c-00f2-9299-d167-db623c8dfb2f@btinternet.com>

https://youtu.be/zlfKdbWwruY.? Cheers, Dave



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 12 02:19:32 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:19:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something of interest
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A possibly very interesting programme:
Today: Radio 4 Extra 9:00 ? 12:00
Repeated @ 19:00
?The Changing Sound of Radio?
Presented by wildlife recordist Chris Watson.

Happy listening!
Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 12 05:05:22 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:05:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something to make you smile !
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Phew! I?m exhausted, just watching!

I was keen to see how many of the locations I had actually been to, myself ? Christmas Island of the red crabs was one. This was on a small cruise ship, crossing the Indian Ocean.
Sadly, the sailing schedule did not allow staying long enough for one day to witness the mass migration of the crabs to the sea to spawn. A French photographer we met, suggested that we shoved a spanner in the engines to delay departure!
As we were there on Boxing Day, I had planned to post all my Christmas cards that year, postmarked from there. However, the shop/post office was closed, as it was the day that the supply aircraft arrived and everyone had gone to the airstrip. I found a cheerful resident to whom I handed US$100 to buy stamps and post my cards for me, and use any change to have a drink! It all worked!
Pat
(This is not a crab ? but a Komodo dragon! It had been thought that the saliva was toxic, if bitten, but later explorations revealed that there were venom sacs attached to the teeth).



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https://youtu.be/zlfKdbWwruY.? Cheers, Dave





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 12 05:34:20 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:34:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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	<156d426d-b47e-1e82-9a64-1294de77139b@gmail.com>
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Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.
While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we had to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of vehicles and radio links etc.
One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.
I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) for a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there was Pete!
Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.

Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & Farewell ? we need something like the WIS?
(Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)

Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that address when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s stupid programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.

Pat

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	MCR21 Newsletter
Date: 	Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000
From: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
Reply-To: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
To: 	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com



MCR21 Newsletter June 2021


  MCR21 PROJECT


  NEWSLETTER

JUNE 2021

View in your browser 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 05:40:34 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:40:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mail client
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On 12/06/2021 11:34, patheigham wrote:
> will shift to Outlook, I think.


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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 12 06:05:04 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 12:05:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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These MCR21 newsletters are sent out via Mailchimp - an email monitoring/marketing platform (apologies, but Spyware in my language) 

I?ve heard that there?s a possibility of recipient?s email being hacked and there are some concerning reviews and bad press about Mailchimp. I?m surprised that email monitoring is deemed necessary for most recipients when reading about an old OB van - why can?t these newsletters simply be sent out as a PDF without having to monitor when & who opens it?

Steve





> On 12 Jun 2021, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.
> While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we had to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of vehicles and radio links etc.
> One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.
> I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) for a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there was Pete!
> Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.
>  
> Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & Farewell ? we need something like the WIS?
> (Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)
>  
> Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that address when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s stupid programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.
>  
> Pat
>  
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:            MCR21 Newsletter
> Date:    Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000
> From:   Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
> Reply-To:          Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
> To:        bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>  
>  
>  
> MCR21 Newsletter June 2021
>  
>  
>   MCR21 PROJECT
>  
>  
>   NEWSLETTER
>  
> JUNE 2021
>  
> View in your browser
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>  
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 12 07:44:47 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:44:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sugar lumps
Message-ID: <60c4ac3e.1c69fb81.6fd3b.4bbc@mx.google.com>

Viewing one of the repeats of ?Room 101? ? one of the guests was denigrating sugar lumps.
He had missed one important use:

Champagne Cocktails:
In a saucer glass,
Place one sugar lump in the centre.
Drip a few drops of Angostura bitters onto it.
Add brandy in up to the level of the cube.
Fill the glass with champagne.
Drink

Pat

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun 12 14:06:28 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 20:06:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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References: <D1B48700-50F0-449E-B717-9A5FA5F12C80@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <940DEE90-8C9C-493C-8427-2360F5A7884A@me.com>

I don't know the precise techniques used by MailChimp, but a massive number of emails use a Spy Pixel to report back to the sender when that email is opened.  This week, Apple announced that later this year, Apple?s operating systems will thwart Spy Pixels.

I?ve been concerned about users being tracked by Spy Pixels for at least a year and have been involved in a correspondence about this very subject with an internationally renowned Mac expert - John Gruber.  I?m delighted that Apple are addressing this issue as part of their drive to preserve the privacy of users.

Spy Pixels, AKA tracking pixels, are embedded into an email and report back to the sender telling them if and when you opened that email, how many times you opened it, details of the device used to open it and the IP address of the recipient. 

It?s likely that the vast majority of commercial emails sent to you include Spy Pixels. If challenged, those companies tend to respond by saying that they are complying with widespread industry best practices, but rarely admit using Spy Pixels by name.

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> On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> These MCR21 newsletters are sent out via Mailchimp - an email monitoring/marketing platform (apologies, but Spyware in my language) 
> 
> I?ve heard that there?s a possibility of recipient?s email being hacked and there are some concerning reviews and bad press about Mailchimp. I?m surprised that email monitoring is deemed necessary for most recipients when reading about an old OB van - why can?t these newsletters simply be sent out as a PDF without having to monitor when & who opens it?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.
>> While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we had to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of vehicles and radio links etc.
>> One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.
>> I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) for a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there was Pete!
>> Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.
>>  
>> Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & Farewell ? we need something like the WIS?
>> (Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)
>>  
>> Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that address when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s stupid programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:            MCR21 Newsletter
>> Date:    Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000
>> From:   Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>> Reply-To:          Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>> To:        bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> MCR21 Newsletter June 2021
>>  
>>  
>>   MCR21 PROJECT
>>  
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 12 14:31:29 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 20:31:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sugar cubes
Message-ID: <1d263e40-a932-6feb-6144-80ef4a3ddd46@btinternet.com>

An even more important use was at TVC, with the wrapped sugar cubes, a 
popular table game in the canteen at lunchtime! Similar to 'snobs' it 
helped pass the time before rehearsals continued! Cheers, Dave



From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jun 13 03:45:31 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 09:45:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Drones
Message-ID: <CC885D24-8D49-4A88-8B9C-7A850E4DEE8C@me.com>

One of our neighbours is concerned after having noticed small drones flying near her property late at night on several occasions over the last couple of months.

On the face of it, those drones may be operating lawfully for a C0 or C1 drone. They are operating near a public footpath in open countryside, but she is concerned that the person or people operating them might be either hi-tech peeping Toms, or somebody checking out homes for potential robberies. Most of the houses in the village are not overlooked from other houses, therefore few villagers close their curtains in the evening. I struggle to think of an innocent explanation for somebody to walk along a lengthy footpath behind a row of houses late at night in order to fly a drone and only to fly it relatively close to houses ( but still about 50 feet away ).

It hasn?t been possible to challenge the operators so far because by the time anybody walks round to access the footpath at either end, the people have gone and it?s usually getting dark, which would make spotting the people difficult and potentially dangerous.

Does anybody know if the RF camera link of drones is in a standard format which could be received by a third party so that we can monitor what these drones are actually looking at?

The laws and guidelines seem to be framed with regards to safety from collisions, her concern is about invasions of privacy, which doesn?t seem to have been addressed in those regulations.

Alan Taylor

From nick at nickway.co.uk  Sun Jun 13 04:01:53 2021
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 10:01:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Sugar cubes
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Sun Jun 13 04:15:58 2021
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 10:15:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Drones
In-Reply-To: <CC885D24-8D49-4A88-8B9C-7A850E4DEE8C@me.com>
References: <CC885D24-8D49-4A88-8B9C-7A850E4DEE8C@me.com>
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Dear Alan,

I recently bought a tiny 249gm DJI Mini 2 drone and as it has a camera, 
had to register on the government web site to get an operator id.

The drone must be labelled with my operator id to be used legally.

Perhaps with a telephoto lens you could take a photo of the drone, read 
the operator id and make a complaint.

As for the video transmission, different drones use different protocols 
and I suspect are difficult to monitor.  The one I have uses OcuSync 2.0 
technology and the phone needs to be connected to the controller via a 
USB cable.

https://www.armoor.co.uk/video/dji-mini-2.mp4


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 13/06/2021 09:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> One of our neighbours is concerned after having noticed small drones flying near her property late at night on several occasions over the last couple of months.
> 
> On the face of it, those drones may be operating lawfully for a C0 or C1 drone. They are operating near a public footpath in open countryside, but she is concerned that the person or people operating them might be either hi-tech peeping Toms, or somebody checking out homes for potential robberies. Most of the houses in the village are not overlooked from other houses, therefore few villagers close their curtains in the evening. I struggle to think of an innocent explanation for somebody to walk along a lengthy footpath behind a row of houses late at night in order to fly a drone and only to fly it relatively close to houses ( but still about 50 feet away ).
> 
> It hasn?t been possible to challenge the operators so far because by the time anybody walks round to access the footpath at either end, the people have gone and it?s usually getting dark, which would make spotting the people difficult and potentially dangerous.
> 
> Does anybody know if the RF camera link of drones is in a standard format which could be received by a third party so that we can monitor what these drones are actually looking at?
> 
> The laws and guidelines seem to be framed with regards to safety from collisions, her concern is about invasions of privacy, which doesn?t seem to have been addressed in those regulations.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 


From waresound at msn.com  Sun Jun 13 04:32:16 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 09:32:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sugar cubes
In-Reply-To: <1043143252.221580.1623574913353@email.ionos.co.uk>
References: <1d263e40-a932-6feb-6144-80ef4a3ddd46@btinternet.com>,
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Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981280CD6AA0E31AEAE6488A7329@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Not much to do with sugar cubes, and not far from where you might expect to find them, but who remembers what we used to hunt for on the formica table tops in the Riverside canteen?
Hint: not Babs Lord!
(Well OK, that too!)
Nick (the other one)

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 13 Jun 2021, at 10:02, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
...useful for potatoes being spilled in the opening titles of Blackadder 2. Slowed down, of course.

As a Gram Op, in response to a comment of mine, my Supervisor (and I wish I could remember who) turned around from the desk and hurled a twin pack at me. It hit the bridge of my nose and split with each cube passing symmetrically around my head missing even my ears.

Not something you could ever expect to accurately happen.

Happy daze!

With best wishes,

Nick WAY

On 12/06/2021 20:31 dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


An even more important use was at TVC, with the wrapped sugar cubes, a
popular table game in the canteen at lunchtime! Similar to 'snobs' it
helped pass the time before rehearsals continued! Cheers, Dave


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Jun 13 05:04:38 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:04:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Drones
In-Reply-To: <32b58566-4438-1bb4-2e45-0e33e1b7bf28@armoor.co.uk>
References: <32b58566-4438-1bb4-2e45-0e33e1b7bf28@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6DAEAE5E-728A-44C2-B6F7-869B24F918F7@me.com>

I don't think you need a licence for an air rifle.....

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 13 Jun 2021, at 10:16, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Dear Alan,
> 
> I recently bought a tiny 249gm DJI Mini 2 drone and as it has a camera, had to register on the government web site to get an operator id.
> 
> The drone must be labelled with my operator id to be used legally.
> 
> Perhaps with a telephoto lens you could take a photo of the drone, read the operator id and make a complaint.
> 
> As for the video transmission, different drones use different protocols and I suspect are difficult to monitor.  The one I have uses OcuSync 2.0 technology and the phone needs to be connected to the controller via a USB cable.
> 
> https://www.armoor.co.uk/video/dji-mini-2.mp4
> 
> 
> Stay safe
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
> 
>> On 13/06/2021 09:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> One of our neighbours is concerned after having noticed small drones flying near her property late at night on several occasions over the last couple of months.
>> On the face of it, those drones may be operating lawfully for a C0 or C1 drone. They are operating near a public footpath in open countryside, but she is concerned that the person or people operating them might be either hi-tech peeping Toms, or somebody checking out homes for potential robberies. Most of the houses in the village are not overlooked from other houses, therefore few villagers close their curtains in the evening. I struggle to think of an innocent explanation for somebody to walk along a lengthy footpath behind a row of houses late at night in order to fly a drone and only to fly it relatively close to houses ( but still about 50 feet away ).
>> It hasn?t been possible to challenge the operators so far because by the time anybody walks round to access the footpath at either end, the people have gone and it?s usually getting dark, which would make spotting the people difficult and potentially dangerous.
>> Does anybody know if the RF camera link of drones is in a standard format which could be received by a third party so that we can monitor what these drones are actually looking at?
>> The laws and guidelines seem to be framed with regards to safety from collisions, her concern is about invasions of privacy, which doesn?t seem to have been addressed in those regulations.
>> Alan Taylor
> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 05:08:16 2021
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:08:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sugar cubes
In-Reply-To: <1043143252.221580.1623574913353@email.ionos.co.uk>
References: <1d263e40-a932-6feb-6144-80ef4a3ddd46@btinternet.com>
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Bob Tate told a great story about a sugar cube fight in a sound control
room at Bush House when one of the projectiles fell unnoticed end on into a
running take-up spool and was caught and held in place by the spooling
tape. This eventually led to a big elliptical build up on the spool with
some dire results! I don't know if this is true or not but Bob made it a
very amusing tale.
Geoff F

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 at 10:02, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> ...useful for potatoes being spilled in the opening titles of Blackadder
> 2. Slowed down, of course.
>
> As a Gram Op, in response to a comment of mine, my Supervisor (and I wish
> I could remember who) turned around from the desk and hurled a twin pack at
> me. It hit the bridge of my nose and split with each cube passing
> symmetrically around my head missing even my ears.
>
> Not something you could ever expect to accurately happen.
>
> Happy daze!
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Nick WAY
>
> On 12/06/2021 20:31 dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> An even more important use was at TVC, with the wrapped sugar cubes, a
> popular table game in the canteen at lunchtime! Similar to 'snobs' it
> helped pass the time before rehearsals continued! Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Jun 13 15:28:17 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 21:28:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
Message-ID: <7uosm6shfhywhcao0ywfc51l.1623616097629@email.android.com>

Andrew  Neil's audio was totally out of sync for the first five minutes, then another  presenters mic failed. That was just the first ten minutes. The lighting is totally overhead. Softlight panels in the ceiling of the set. If you have a presenter in a black suit against a black set, you really do need a backlight. The pictures are very flat and dull. It can only get better..........hopefully.

Doug

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 17:38:59 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 23:38:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
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References: <7uosm6shfhywhcao0ywfc51l.1623616097629@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <e3fd7938-8df3-f5f8-10dd-08b79a3e9e08@gmail.com>

In sync on Virgin, and more chroma, but the not-VTs? were all out of 
sync.?? Never dress a black woman in black then put her against black 
with bad lighting. All stuff that should have been sorted weeks ago.

B



On 13/06/2021 21:28, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> Andrew  Neil's audio was totally out of sync for the first five minutes, then another  presenters mic failed. That was just the first ten minutes. The lighting is totally overhead. Softlight panels in the ceiling of the set. If you have a presenter in a black suit against a black set, you really do need a backlight. The pictures are very flat and dull. It can only get better..........hopefully.
>
> Doug

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Jun 13 18:26:48 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 00:26:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
In-Reply-To: <e3fd7938-8df3-f5f8-10dd-08b79a3e9e08@gmail.com>
References: <e3fd7938-8df3-f5f8-10dd-08b79a3e9e08@gmail.com>
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But don?t you like a good cock-up? Much more interesting than plain news! But only once, though - twice would be unforgivable!

Mike G

> On 13 Jun 2021, at 23:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? In sync on Virgin, and more chroma, but the not-VTs  were all out of sync.   Never dress a black woman in black then put her against black with bad lighting. All stuff that should have been sorted weeks ago. 
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/06/2021 21:28, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> Andrew  Neil's audio was totally out of sync for the first five minutes, then another  presenters mic failed. That was just the first ten minutes. The lighting is totally overhead. Softlight panels in the ceiling of the set. If you have a presenter in a black suit against a black set, you really do need a backlight. The pictures are very flat and dull. It can only get better..........hopefully.
>> 
>> Doug
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 14 00:47:49 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:47:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
In-Reply-To: <8FA10C33-1E38-4C3E-8348-F44159D48296@mac.com>
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Perhaps use it for a Training Exercise in ?What not to do?!

I guess there?s no training anymore?
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: 14 June 2021 00:27
To: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] GB News Launch

But don?t you like a good cock-up? Much more interesting than plain news! But only once, though - twice would be unforgivable!

Mike G


On 13 Jun 2021, at 23:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? In sync on Virgin, and more chroma, but the not-VTs? were all out of sync.?? Never dress a black woman in black then put her against black with bad lighting. All stuff that should have been sorted weeks ago. 

B





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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 03:03:32 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:03:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
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References: <e3fd7938-8df3-f5f8-10dd-08b79a3e9e08@gmail.com>	<8FA10C33-1E38-4C3E-8348-F44159D48296@mac.com>
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Pat,

Just because Wood Norton closed many years ago it doesn?t mean all training stopped. Educational establishments such as universities and colleges such as Ravensbourne took up the cudgel together with facilities companies like Visions (now NEP) Telegenic, Arena, Timeline are all doing a great job.

While the BBC was training technicians it was common to hear exiles from the BBC comment that they learned as much in 3 months outside the Corporation as in many years inside it

Dave D 

 

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 14 June 2021 06:48
To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>; Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] GB News Launch

 

Perhaps use it for a Training Exercise in ?What not to do?!

 

I guess there?s no training anymore?

Pat

 

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From: Mike Giles via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 14 June 2021 00:27
To: Tech Ops <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] GB News Launch

 

But don?t you like a good cock-up? Much more interesting than plain news! But only once, though - twice would be unforgivable!

 

Mike G

 

On 13 Jun 2021, at 23:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? In sync on Virgin, and more chroma, but the not-VTs  were all out of sync.   Never dress a black woman in black then put her against black with bad lighting. All stuff that should have been sorted weeks ago. 

B



 

 

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Mon Jun 14 03:49:50 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:49:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
Message-ID: <rmoa54mlvnklvp0ihstlcwno.1623660590529@email.android.com>

They have gone one more step from remote controlled cameras to non controlled camera. Breakfast program is using a single locked off two shot. Slightly better quality zoom tv.

Doug

On 13 June 2021, at 23:38, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

In sync on Virgin, and more chroma, but the not-VTs? were all out of sync.?? Never dress a black woman in black then put her against black with bad lighting. All stuff that should have been sorted weeks ago. 

B



On 13/06/2021 21:28, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:

Andrew Neil's audio was totally out of sync for the first five minutes, then another presenters mic failed. That was just the first ten minutes. The lighting is totally overhead. Softlight panels in the ceiling of the set. If you have a presenter in a black suit against a black set, you really do need a backlight. The pictures are very flat and dull. It can only get better..........hopefully. Doug 

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From relong at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 14 03:58:07 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:58:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
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The opening was out of sync and it still is this morning?
They don?t seem to have a sound supervisor.
Audio is all over the place, low level, off mic , no mic and a dreadful barn acoustic from the set.
That black presenters are dressed in black against a black set seems to have escaped them, some shots are out of focus or plain fuzzy.
Local regional presenters seem to be self shooters, there is no continuity, even Mr Farage was cut off in full flow by an ad break.
Not a great start, at least BBC2 could blame London Electricity Board when BBC2 went down on its opening night.
GBN shows you cant trust journos with tech  at any level.
Roger

> On 13 Jun 2021, at 23:38, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In sync on Virgin, and more chroma, but the not-VTs  were all out of sync.   Never dress a black woman in black then put her against black with bad lighting. All stuff that should have been sorted weeks ago. 
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 13/06/2021 21:28, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> Andrew  Neil's audio was totally out of sync for the first five minutes, then another  presenters mic failed. That was just the first ten minutes. The lighting is totally overhead. Softlight panels in the ceiling of the set. If you have a presenter in a black suit against a black set, you really do need a backlight. The pictures are very flat and dull. It can only get better..........hopefully.
>> 
>> Doug
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 14 04:15:50 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:15:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
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Ah! Yes, Dave D, I know a few sound guys who teach at Ravensbourne, then there?s NFTS, too.
I will say that having wanted to work in the Film Industry, I knew someone who had a dubbing facility in Lisle Street. He could offer me a job, but recommended that I tried for the BBC, as they would teach me in two years, what it would take 10 years to pick up. Certainly the BBC training stood me in good stead when I managed to transfer into film. Made some good friends with whom I?m still in touch ? all of 60 years later!
Apropos your last remark, having spent six months in TVC studios before the first WN course, it became obvious that the tutors there were not up to date with the then current studio practice.

Regards
Pat

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From: David Denness
Sent: 14 June 2021 09:03
To: 'patheigham'; 'Mike Giles'
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Tech1] GB News Launch

Pat,
Just because Wood Norton closed many years ago it doesn?t mean all training stopped. Educational establishments such as universities and colleges such as Ravensbourne took up the cudgel together with facilities companies like Visions (now NEP) Telegenic, Arena, Timeline are all doing a great job.
While the BBC was training technicians it was common to hear exiles from the BBC comment that they learned as much in 3 months outside the Corporation as in many years inside it
Dave D 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 14 05:23:14 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:23:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sugar cubes
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB-ffM4CSh7UFtEc5EGCkE9w=9Y5FssF20EHEDvLMEmRvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d263e40-a932-6feb-6144-80ef4a3ddd46@btinternet.com>
	<1043143252.221580.1623574913353@email.ionos.co.uk>
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What was recorded on the tape?
- ?Sugar, Sugar??
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nE2spOw_o


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From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
Sent: 13 June 2021 11:08
To: Nick Way
Cc: dave.mdv via Tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sugar cubes

Bob Tate told a great story about a sugar cube fight in a sound control room at Bush House when one of the projectiles fell unnoticed end on into a running take-up spool and was caught and held in place by the spooling tape. This eventually led to a big elliptical build up on the spool with some dire results! I don't know if this is true or not but Bob made it a very amusing tale.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 05:43:44 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:43:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What? Still out of sync?
Message-ID: <8f73f7c2-a59e-95fa-2381-9857a6a39251@ntlworld.com>

It's all very well employing all those journalist types, but you do also 
need some good technical people too - ones who can light, operate sound 
and cameras, and set up the system so stuff stays in sync.? These all 
all problems that have been solved, even by my local church, which 
broadcasts a weekly service that looks better than what you seem to be 
able to manage.

A great pity, as I was looking forward to your new approach - and still 
am. I taught this stuff after I left the BBC and I just can't watch your 
amateur technical output. Let me know when you get it right.

Bernard Newnham
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 14 05:46:12 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:46:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
In-Reply-To: <60c71e45.1c69fb81.f510e.a696@mx.google.com>
References: <60c71e45.1c69fb81.f510e.a696@mx.google.com>
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When I went to Evesham raw from school, I was somewhat in awe of the lecturers, but when I returned at various stages in my career and was increasingly experienced, I became somewhat less impressed with them. I managed to upset one of the lecturers by suggesting that experienced people get sent on courses to teach lecturers how the job is really done these days. It might have been a bit too close to the truth.

Alan Taylor

> On 14 Jun 2021, at 10:16, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Ah! Yes, Dave D, I know a few sound guys who teach at Ravensbourne, then there?s NFTS, too.
> I will say that having wanted to work in the Film Industry, I knew someone who had a dubbing facility in Lisle Street. He could offer me a job, but recommended that I tried for the BBC, as they would teach me in two years, what it would take 10 years to pick up. Certainly the BBC training stood me in good stead when I managed to transfer into film. Made some good friends with whom I?m still in touch ? all of 60 years later!
> Apropos your last remark, having spent six months in TVC studios before the first WN course, it became obvious that the tutors there were not up to date with the then current studio practice.
>  
> Regards
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: David Denness
> Sent: 14 June 2021 09:03
> To: 'patheigham'; 'Mike Giles'
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: RE: [Tech1] GB News Launch
>  
> Pat,
> Just because Wood Norton closed many years ago it doesn?t mean all training stopped. Educational establishments such as universities and colleges such as Ravensbourne took up the cudgel together with facilities companies like Visions (now NEP) Telegenic, Arena, Timeline are all doing a great job.
> While the BBC was training technicians it was common to hear exiles from the BBC comment that they learned as much in 3 months outside the Corporation as in many years inside it
> Dave D
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 14 06:51:11 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:51:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What? Still out of sync?
In-Reply-To: <8f73f7c2-a59e-95fa-2381-9857a6a39251@ntlworld.com>
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Message-ID: <60c742ae.1c69fb81.5db0f.3181@mx.google.com>

Now, if all presenters were to wear an anti-Covid face mask, then lip-sync drift wouldn?t matter!
Mind you, masks could have helped Peter Brough with his Archie Andrews act. Vents on radio ? come on!
Pat

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 14 June 2021 11:44
To: yourviews at gbnews.uk
Cc: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] What? Still out of sync?

It's all very well employing all those journalist types, but you do also need some good technical people too - ones who can light, operate sound and cameras, and set up the system so stuff stays in sync.? These all all problems that have been solved, even by my local church, which broadcasts a weekly service that looks better than what you seem to be able to manage.

A great pity, as I was looking forward to your new approach - and still am. I taught this stuff after I left the BBC and I just can't watch your amateur technical output. Let me know when you get it right.

Bernard Newnham 



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From doug at puddifoot.me  Mon Jun 14 07:46:41 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:46:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What? Still out of sync?
Message-ID: <da6v7c55idowyk1ac3jb1ffu.1623674681601@email.android.com>

Not much hope when the camera mounts are knocked up by the chippie

On 14 June 2021, at 11:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

It's all very well employing all those journalist types, but you do also need some good technical people too - ones who can light, operate sound and cameras, and set up the system so stuff stays in sync.? These all all problems that have been solved, even by my local church, which broadcasts a weekly service that looks better than what you seem to be able to manage.

A great pity, as I was looking forward to your new approach - and still am. I taught this stuff after I left the BBC and I just can't watch your amateur technical output. Let me know when you get it right.

Bernard Newnham 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 14 05:26:56 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:26:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
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In article <7uosm6shfhywhcao0ywfc51l.1623616097629 at email.android.com>,
   Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Andrew  Neil's audio was totally out of sync for the first five minutes,
> then another  presenters mic failed. That was just the first ten
> minutes. The lighting is totally overhead. Softlight panels in the
> ceiling of the set. If you have a presenter in a black suit against a
> black set, you really do need a backlight. The pictures are very flat
> and dull. It can only get better..........hopefully.

The good news is presumably we'll no longer see Andrew Neil on mainstream
TV?

-- 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 14 08:31:37 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:31:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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Nick,

Whether Mailchimp is ?used by thousands, if not millions? is irrelevant - so are Class A drugs! 
My point is that you?re sending your MCR21 newsletters out to recipients via the Tech-Ops list and using a email marketing platform that may expose others to the risk of their email accounts being hacked and email details being harvested.
Why don?t you simply forward a PDF copy of your written articles to Tech-Ops about restoring your old OB truck ?

I?m aware that Mailchimp provides you with email tracking & monitoring information: How does this work when you are sending your newsletters via Bernie?s Tech-Ops list? (rather than directly to recipients).

Tech-Ops recipients may not be aware or wish to give consent to Mailchimp having access to their email addresses which may be at risk of being harvested and/or sent on to yourself to monitor?

I am interested to find out this aspect and wondered if you can confirm whether Mailchimp provides you with a list of individual email addresses of anyone on the Tech-Ops list who has opened your newsletters. 

As most will be aware, this isn?t new technology, but,  as Alan points out, Mailchimp emails have a sneaky invisible Spy Pixel that provides you (the sender) with information following anyone opening emails: For those who aren?t already aware - It informs the sender when an email is opened, the IP address & provider, how many times it gets opened, the type of device used to open the email and whether any links were clicked etc.

I haven?t given you or any of your BTTT or MCR21 Charity trustees explicit consent to track any of my Internet/email activities, which is why I previously asked to Unsubscribe me from your MCR21 (Mailchimp) list. 

Would either yourself or Brian be able to clarify the points I?ve raised, as your newsletters sent via Mailchimp email monitoring could easily be perceived as an invasion of an individual?s privacy.

Perhaps there?s something I?ve missed, but it would be helpful if you could clarify the situation.

Steve


> On 12 Jun 2021, at 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> I don't know the precise techniques used by MailChimp, but a massive number of emails use a Spy Pixel to report back to the sender when that email is opened.  This week, Apple announced that later this year, Apple?s operating systems will thwart Spy Pixels.
> 
> I?ve been concerned about users being tracked by Spy Pixels for at least a year and have been involved in a correspondence about this very subject with an internationally renowned Mac expert - John Gruber.  I?m delighted that Apple are addressing this issue as part of their drive to preserve the privacy of users.
> 
> Spy Pixels, AKA tracking pixels, are embedded into an email and report back to the sender telling them if and when you opened that email, how many times you opened it, details of the device used to open it and the IP address of the recipient. 
> 
> It?s likely that the vast majority of commercial emails sent to you include Spy Pixels. If challenged, those companies tend to respond by saying that they are complying with widespread industry best practices, but rarely admit using Spy Pixels by name.
> 
> Alan Taylor 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?
>> These MCR21 newsletters are sent out via Mailchimp - an email monitoring/marketing platform (apologies, but Spyware in my language) 
>> 
>> I?ve heard that there?s a possibility of recipient?s email being hacked and there are some concerning reviews and bad press about Mailchimp. I?m surprised that email monitoring is deemed necessary for most recipients when reading about an old OB van - why can?t these newsletters simply be sent out as a PDF without having to monitor when & who opens it?
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?
>>> Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.
>>> While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we had to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of vehicles and radio links etc.
>>> One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.
>>> I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) for a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there was Pete!
>>> Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.
>>>  
>>> Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & Farewell ? we need something like the WIS?
>>> (Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)
>>>  
>>> Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that address when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s stupid programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.
>>>  
>>> Pat
>>>  
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:            MCR21 Newsletter
>>> Date:    Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000
>>> From:   Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>> Reply-To:          Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>> To:        bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
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>>>  
>>>  
>>> MCR21 Newsletter June 2021
>>>  
>>>  
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>>>  
>>>  
>>>   NEWSLETTER
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jun 14 08:43:57 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:43:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What? Still out of sync?
In-Reply-To: <8f73f7c2-a59e-95fa-2381-9857a6a39251@ntlworld.com>
References: <8f73f7c2-a59e-95fa-2381-9857a6a39251@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB19816655F3DA912E9105F547A7319@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Ye Gods, it?s wonderful!
TV is so much more fun when the technology, or lack of it, is more conspicuous than the content.
Easy to criticise when you know nothing about what led to it to being that way. It can only be that they have been very badly advised. It is somewhat risky when every contribution is dependant on the quality of the internet connection at the remote end.
But as long as the advertisers like it enough to fund them it can only get better, and as pros I?m sure we would all want that to happen, right?
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 14 Jun 2021, at 11:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? It's all very well employing all those journalist types, but you do also need some good technical people too - ones who can light, operate sound and cameras, and set up the system so stuff stays in sync.  These all all problems that have been solved, even by my local church, which broadcasts a weekly service that looks better than what you seem to be able to manage.

A great pity, as I was looking forward to your new approach - and still am. I taught this stuff after I left the BBC and I just can't watch your amateur technical output. Let me know when you get it right.

Bernard Newnham
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Jun 14 10:13:38 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:13:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What? Still out of sync?
In-Reply-To: <da6v7c55idowyk1ac3jb1ffu.1623674681601@email.android.com>
References: <da6v7c55idowyk1ac3jb1ffu.1623674681601@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <83CB198AB349488CAA0AF1D6A54FDCF6@Gigabyte>

I like the way there is a big fat cable sneaking up the back of the ?mount? but only possibly one core used and another (power) cable sneaking up from the heap of odd CAT V cables lying around to trip people up. H&S?

Does anyone know where this ?studio? is?

Mike

From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 1:46 PM
To: mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What? Still out of sync?

Not much hope when the camera mounts are knocked up by the chippie


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From tonynuttall at me.com  Mon Jun 14 10:24:58 2021
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 15:24:58 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] My New BT Digital World
Message-ID: <1850ecf6-9c44-4bc5-aa04-c4d1465f1f6c@me.com>

Hi folks,
After many years of pestering my local MP's, David McClean and Rory Stewart. High speed broad band arrived a couple of months ago. David McClean and Rory Stewart have now? both done runners, McClean to the House of Lords and Rory Stewart back to Yale University.
Last week BT announced that my twisted copper wire land line was to be de activated. My new phone line was by BT" Digital Voice!" It was apparent that this new service was in fact VOIP. I was rather sad as?my none digital?
"Binatone Trend" passive phone would be no longer available for use in power cuts, an occasional occurrence in rural areas! Only two of my existing phones were modern, mains powered jobs. These of course would be susceptible to power cuts. Not to worry my trusty iPone Pro would step into the breach. (?Unless spooked by
an EMP, curtesy of a bucket of sunshine!) ?Highly unlikely I hope.
One final problem was the inability to hear the ringers on my modern mains powered phones especially in the garden.
Solution was a BT 80D fed by a BT Micro-filter this I mounted in a front conservatory. Total cost of the
BT ? 80D External bell from a local charity shop ?5-00. I already had the Microfilter.
The only braw back being that when the phone rings it sounds like a cross between a Scrap Yard / Garden Centre. But I can now hear my ?phone ringing!!!

Tony Nuttall, In ?Rural Connected Cumbria.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 10:26:19 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:26:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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He did

B



On 14/06/2021 14:31, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote:
> Why don?t you simply forward a PDF copy of your written articles to 
> Tech-Ops about restoring your old OB truck ?

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 10:28:41 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:28:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <11CE24B5-631F-4B54-9501-A621188830D8@btinternet.com>
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	<11CE24B5-631F-4B54-9501-A621188830D8@btinternet.com>
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We aren't on Mailchimp, nor does any tech1 material go anywhere near 
Mailchimp. I looked at it years ago, when people were complaining about 
Mailman, but it's a one way system, thus not suitable.

B



On 14/06/2021 14:31, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> Nick,
>
>
> Whether Mailchimp is ?used by thousands, if not millions? is 
> irrelevant - so are Class A drugs!
>
> My point is that you?re sending your MCR21 newsletters out to 
> recipients via the Tech-Ops list and using a email marketing platform 
> that may expose others to the risk of their email accounts being 
> hacked and email details being harvested.
>
> Why don?t you simply forward a PDF copy of your written articles to 
> Tech-Ops about restoring your old OB truck ?
>
>
> I?m aware that Mailchimp provides you with email tracking & monitoring 
> information: How does this work when you are sending your newsletters 
> _via_ Bernie?s Tech-Ops list? (rather than directly to recipients).
>
>
> Tech-Ops recipients may not be aware or wish to give consent to 
> Mailchimp having access to their email addresses which may be at risk 
> of being harvested and/or sent on to yourself to monitor?
>
>
> I am interested to find out this aspect and wondered if you can 
> confirm whether Mailchimp provides you with a list of individual email 
> addresses of anyone on the Tech-Ops list who has opened your newsletters.
>
>
> As most will be aware, this isn?t new technology, but, ?as Alan points 
> out, Mailchimp emails have a sneaky invisible Spy Pixel that provides 
> you (the sender) with information following anyone opening emails: For 
> those who aren?t already aware - It informs the sender when an email 
> is opened, the IP address & provider, how many times it gets opened, 
> the type of device used to open the email and whether any links were 
> clicked etc.
>
>
> I haven?t given you or any of your BTTT or MCR21 Charity trustees 
> explicit consent to track any of my Internet/email activities, which 
> is why I previously asked to Unsubscribe me from your MCR21 
> (Mailchimp) list.
>
>
> Would either yourself or Brian be able to clarify the points I?ve 
> raised, as your newsletters sent via Mailchimp email monitoring could 
> easily be perceived as an invasion of an individual?s privacy.
>
>
> Perhaps there?s something I?ve missed, but it would be helpful if you 
> could clarify the situation.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I don't know the precise techniques used by MailChimp, but a massive 
>> number of emails use a Spy Pixel to report back to the sender when 
>> that email is opened. ?This week, Apple announced that later this 
>> year, Apple?s operating systems will thwart Spy Pixels.
>>
>> I?ve been concerned about users being tracked by Spy Pixels for at 
>> least a year and have been involved in a correspondence about this 
>> very subject with an internationally renowned Mac expert - John 
>> Gruber. ?I?m delighted that Apple are addressing this issue as part 
>> of their drive to preserve the privacy of users.
>>
>> Spy Pixels, AKA tracking pixels, are embedded into an email and 
>> report back to the sender telling them if and when you opened that 
>> email, how many times you opened it, details of the device used to 
>> open it and the IP address of the recipient.
>>
>> It?s likely that the vast majority of commercial emails sent to you 
>> include Spy Pixels. If challenged, those companies tend to respond by 
>> saying that they are complying with widespread industry best 
>> practices, but rarely admit using Spy Pixels by name.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> These MCR21 newsletters are sent out via Mailchimp - an email 
>>> monitoring/marketing platform (apologies, but Spyware in my language)
>>>
>>> I?ve heard that there?s a possibility of recipient?s email being 
>>> hacked and there are some concerning reviews and bad press about 
>>> Mailchimp. I?m surprised that email monitoring is deemed necessary 
>>> for most recipients when reading about an old OB van - why can?t 
>>> these newsletters simply be sent out as a PDF without having to 
>>> monitor when & who opens it?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.
>>>>
>>>> While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we had 
>>>> to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of 
>>>> vehicles and radio links etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the 
>>>> resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.
>>>>
>>>> I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) for 
>>>> a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there was Pete!
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead 
>>>> (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, 
>>>> and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we 
>>>> linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.
>>>>
>>>> Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & Farewell 
>>>> ? we need something like the WIS?
>>>>
>>>> (Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)
>>>>
>>>> Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that address 
>>>> when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s stupid 
>>>> programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>
>>>> Subject: ?????????? MCR21 Newsletter
>>>>
>>>> Date: ?? Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000
>>>>
>>>> From: ? Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>>
>>>> Reply-To: ???????? Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>>
>>>> To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>>
>>>> MCR21 Newsletter June 2021
>>>>
>>>> ? MCR21 PROJECT
>>>>
>>>> ? NEWSLETTER
>>>>
>>>> JUNE 2021
>>>>
>>>> View in your browser
>>>>
>>>> <https://mailchi.mp/ed5c136f272a/mcr21-newsletter?e=27b31bf3ae>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:34:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What? Still out of sync?
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 14 11:07:11 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 17:07:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <11CE24B5-631F-4B54-9501-A621188830D8@btinternet.com>
References: <11CE24B5-631F-4B54-9501-A621188830D8@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <0FADF13C-3E82-41E2-A7C3-BA2B449553E1@me.com>

One minor detail Steve: I didn?t specifically say that Mailchimp uses Spy Pixels because I have never investigated exactly what technology they use, but I do know that most commercial emails do incorporate tracking via Spy Pixels.  It?s quite likely that Mailchimp does use them, but I don?t know for sure.

Personally I don?t like the idea of companies collection excessive amounts of data about me and I especially disapprove of my data being sold on to other companies.  Therefore I welcome systems where these dodgy practices are thwarted within the users?s devices.  It?s a feature which Apple users will be able to opt in or out of, but recent data relating to comparable privacy controls shows that the vast majority of users choose to opt out when offered a simple choice. 

I think that as online privacy becomes better understood, more and more people will choose to opt out when given a choice, but I?m equally sure that companies will devise increasingly sophisticated techniques for getting around these blockers and trying to grab data by other means.

Recently I got quite annoyed when I was looking at a web site for kitchen products and checked the details for a specific item, but then lost interest when I noticed it was unsuitable for use on an induction hob.  The next day, I got an email from that company saying that they noticed I was interested in that item but didn?t buy.  They were happy to offer a 5% discount if I purchased it that day.  I was miffed for two reasons, one is that it?s bad enough that they snoop on my browsing habits, but even worse to brag about it.  The other reason was that if they can offer a 5% discount, they could have offered that price on the day - not that it would have made any difference as I had already established that the product would not have been suitable for my purposes. 

Alan Taylor



> On 14 Jun 2021, at 14:31, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Nick,
> 
> Whether Mailchimp is ?used by thousands, if not millions? is irrelevant - so are Class A drugs! 
> My point is that you?re sending your MCR21 newsletters out to recipients via the Tech-Ops list and using a email marketing platform that may expose others to the risk of their email accounts being hacked and email details being harvested.
> Why don?t you simply forward a PDF copy of your written articles to Tech-Ops about restoring your old OB truck ?
> 
> I?m aware that Mailchimp provides you with email tracking & monitoring information: How does this work when you are sending your newsletters via Bernie?s Tech-Ops list? (rather than directly to recipients).
> 
> Tech-Ops recipients may not be aware or wish to give consent to Mailchimp having access to their email addresses which may be at risk of being harvested and/or sent on to yourself to monitor?
> 
> I am interested to find out this aspect and wondered if you can confirm whether Mailchimp provides you with a list of individual email addresses of anyone on the Tech-Ops list who has opened your newsletters. 
> 
> As most will be aware, this isn?t new technology, but,  as Alan points out, Mailchimp emails have a sneaky invisible Spy Pixel that provides you (the sender) with information following anyone opening emails: For those who aren?t already aware - It informs the sender when an email is opened, the IP address & provider, how many times it gets opened, the type of device used to open the email and whether any links were clicked etc.
> 
> I haven?t given you or any of your BTTT or MCR21 Charity trustees explicit consent to track any of my Internet/email activities, which is why I previously asked to Unsubscribe me from your MCR21 (Mailchimp) list. 
> 
> Would either yourself or Brian be able to clarify the points I?ve raised, as your newsletters sent via Mailchimp email monitoring could easily be perceived as an invasion of an individual?s privacy.
> 
> Perhaps there?s something I?ve missed, but it would be helpful if you could clarify the situation.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> I don't know the precise techniques used by MailChimp, but a massive number of emails use a Spy Pixel to report back to the sender when that email is opened.  This week, Apple announced that later this year, Apple?s operating systems will thwart Spy Pixels.
>> 
>> I?ve been concerned about users being tracked by Spy Pixels for at least a year and have been involved in a correspondence about this very subject with an internationally renowned Mac expert - John Gruber.  I?m delighted that Apple are addressing this issue as part of their drive to preserve the privacy of users.
>> 
>> Spy Pixels, AKA tracking pixels, are embedded into an email and report back to the sender telling them if and when you opened that email, how many times you opened it, details of the device used to open it and the IP address of the recipient. 
>> 
>> It?s likely that the vast majority of commercial emails sent to you include Spy Pixels. If challenged, those companies tend to respond by saying that they are complying with widespread industry best practices, but rarely admit using Spy Pixels by name.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> These MCR21 newsletters are sent out via Mailchimp - an email monitoring/marketing platform (apologies, but Spyware in my language) 
>>> 
>>> I?ve heard that there?s a possibility of recipient?s email being hacked and there are some concerning reviews and bad press about Mailchimp. I?m surprised that email monitoring is deemed necessary for most recipients when reading about an old OB van - why can?t these newsletters simply be sent out as a PDF without having to monitor when & who opens it?
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.
>>>> While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we had to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of vehicles and radio links etc.
>>>> One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.
>>>> I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) for a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there was Pete!
>>>> Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.
>>>>  
>>>> Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & Farewell ? we need something like the WIS?
>>>> (Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)
>>>>  
>>>> Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that address when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s stupid programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.
>>>>  
>>>> Pat
>>>>  
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:            MCR21 Newsletter
>>>> Date:    Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000
>>>> From:   Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>> Reply-To:          Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>> To:        bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> MCR21 Newsletter June 2021
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>   MCR21 PROJECT
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>   NEWSLETTER
>>>>  
>>>> JUNE 2021
>>>>  
>>>> View in your browser
>>>> <https://mailchi.mp/ed5c136f272a/mcr21-newsletter?e=27b31bf3ae>
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  	
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 14 18:10:21 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 00:10:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GB News Launch
In-Reply-To: <8FA10C33-1E38-4C3E-8348-F44159D48296@mac.com>
References: <e3fd7938-8df3-f5f8-10dd-08b79a3e9e08@gmail.com>
	<8FA10C33-1E38-4C3E-8348-F44159D48296@mac.com>
Message-ID: <593cada362davesound@btinternet.com>

Had a first look this evening. FreeView. Roger Daltrey was being interview
via Zoom or whatever. Audio level on both him and presenter about 10dB
lower than normal. Checked a couple of hours later. Still the same.  

In article <8FA10C33-1E38-4C3E-8348-F44159D48296 at mac.com>,
   Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> But don?t you like a good cock-up? Much more interesting than plain news! But only once, though - twice would be unforgivable!

> Mike G

> > On 13 Jun 2021, at 23:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > # In sync on Virgin, and more chroma, but the not-VTs  were all out of sync.   Never dress a black woman in black then put her against black with bad lighting. All stuff that should have been sorted weeks ago. 
> > 
> > B
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 13/06/2021 21:28, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
> >> Andrew  Neil's audio was totally out of sync for the first five minutes, then another  presenters mic failed. That was just the first ten minutes. The lighting is totally overhead. Softlight panels in the ceiling of the set. If you have a presenter in a black suit against a black set, you really do need a backlight. The pictures are very flat and dull. It can only get better..........hopefully.
> >> 
> >> Doug
> > 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Jun 15 03:03:42 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:03:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <0FADF13C-3E82-41E2-A7C3-BA2B449553E1@me.com>
References: <11CE24B5-631F-4B54-9501-A621188830D8@btinternet.com>
	<0FADF13C-3E82-41E2-A7C3-BA2B449553E1@me.com>
Message-ID: <2E5689AF5D7947049C44894D86404FD9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I noticed this info at the foot of an email this morning from ?Getting Personal? (personalised gift ideas I once used for granddaughters? birthday gifts).



I guess they are at least letting you know, though quite what they mean by ?turning off the images? is not clear to me. Is this commonplace?

Dave Newbitt.




From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 5:07 PM
To: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter

One minor detail Steve: I didn?t specifically say that Mailchimp uses Spy Pixels because I have never investigated exactly what technology they use, but I do know that most commercial emails do incorporate tracking via Spy Pixels.  It?s quite likely that Mailchimp does use them, but I don?t know for sure.

Personally I don?t like the idea of companies collection excessive amounts of data about me and I especially disapprove of my data being sold on to other companies.  Therefore I welcome systems where these dodgy practices are thwarted within the users?s devices.  It?s a feature which Apple users will be able to opt in or out of, but recent data relating to comparable privacy controls shows that the vast majority of users choose to opt out when offered a simple choice. 

I think that as online privacy becomes better understood, more and more people will choose to opt out when given a choice, but I?m equally sure that companies will devise increasingly sophisticated techniques for getting around these blockers and trying to grab data by other means.

Recently I got quite annoyed when I was looking at a web site for kitchen products and checked the details for a specific item, but then lost interest when I noticed it was unsuitable for use on an induction hob.  The next day, I got an email from that company saying that they noticed I was interested in that item but didn?t buy.  They were happy to offer a 5% discount if I purchased it that day.  I was miffed for two reasons, one is that it?s bad enough that they snoop on my browsing habits, but even worse to brag about it.  The other reason was that if they can offer a 5% discount, they could have offered that price on the day - not that it would have made any difference as I had already established that the product would not have been suitable for my purposes. 

Alan Taylor




  On 14 Jun 2021, at 14:31, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:


  ? 


  Nick,



  Whether Mailchimp is ?used by thousands, if not millions? is irrelevant - so are Class A drugs! 


  My point is that you?re sending your MCR21 newsletters out to recipients via the Tech-Ops list and using a email marketing platform that may expose others to the risk of their email accounts being hacked and email details being harvested.

  Why don?t you simply forward a PDF copy of your written articles to Tech-Ops about restoring your old OB truck ?




  I?m aware that Mailchimp provides you with email tracking & monitoring information: How does this work when you are sending your newsletters via Bernie?s Tech-Ops list? (rather than directly to recipients).




  Tech-Ops recipients may not be aware or wish to give consent to Mailchimp having access to their email addresses which may be at risk of being harvested and/or sent on to yourself to monitor?




  I am interested to find out this aspect and wondered if you can confirm whether Mailchimp provides you with a list of individual email addresses of anyone on the Tech-Ops list who has opened your newsletters. 




  As most will be aware, this isn?t new technology, but,  as Alan points out, Mailchimp emails have a sneaky invisible Spy Pixel that provides you (the sender) with information following anyone opening emails: For those who aren?t already aware - It informs the sender when an email is opened, the IP address & provider, how many times it gets opened, the type of device used to open the email and whether any links were clicked etc.




  I haven?t given you or any of your BTTT or MCR21 Charity trustees explicit consent to track any of my Internet/email activities, which is why I previously asked to Unsubscribe me from your MCR21 (Mailchimp) list. 




  Would either yourself or Brian be able to clarify the points I?ve raised, as your newsletters sent via Mailchimp email monitoring could easily be perceived as an invasion of an individual?s privacy.




  Perhaps there?s something I?ve missed, but it would be helpful if you could clarify the situation.




  Steve






    On 12 Jun 2021, at 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    ? 
    I don't know the precise techniques used by MailChimp, but a massive number of emails use a Spy Pixel to report back to the sender when that email is opened.  This week, Apple announced that later this year, Apple?s operating systems will thwart Spy Pixels.

    I?ve been concerned about users being tracked by Spy Pixels for at least a year and have been involved in a correspondence about this very subject with an internationally renowned Mac expert - John Gruber.  I?m delighted that Apple are addressing this issue as part of their drive to preserve the privacy of users.

    Spy Pixels, AKA tracking pixels, are embedded into an email and report back to the sender telling them if and when you opened that email, how many times you opened it, details of the device used to open it and the IP address of the recipient. 

    It?s likely that the vast majority of commercial emails sent to you include Spy Pixels. If challenged, those companies tend to respond by saying that they are complying with widespread industry best practices, but rarely admit using Spy Pixels by name.

    Alan Taylor 




      On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      ? 
      These MCR21 newsletters are sent out via Mailchimp - an email monitoring/marketing platform (apologies, but Spyware in my language) 

      I?ve heard that there?s a possibility of recipient?s email being hacked and there are some concerning reviews and bad press about Mailchimp. I?m surprised that email monitoring is deemed necessary for most recipients when reading about an old OB van - why can?t these newsletters simply be sent out as a PDF without having to monitor when & who opens it?

      Steve






        On 12 Jun 2021, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


        ? 
        Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.

        While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we had to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of vehicles and radio links etc.

        One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.

        I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) for a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there was Pete!

        Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.

         

        Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & Farewell ? we need something like the WIS?

        (Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)

         

        Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that address when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s stupid programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.

         

        Pat

         

        -------- Forwarded Message --------

        Subject:            MCR21 Newsletter

        Date:    Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000

        From:   Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>

        Reply-To:          Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>

        To:        bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com

         

         

         

        MCR21 Newsletter June 2021

         

         

          MCR21 PROJECT

         

         

          NEWSLETTER

         

        JUNE 2021

         

        View in your browser 

        <https://mailchi.mp/ed5c136f272a/mcr21-newsletter?e=27b31bf3ae>

         

         

         

         




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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 15 04:32:18 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:32:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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Not being pedantic here but my point is that by Nick sending his MCR21 newsletters to & via the Tech-Ops list, rather than to his own (?Opted-in?) list of members) who may not already be aware that this is a Mailchimp platform which typically uses tracking cookies and provides email monitoring information back to the sender (Nick) and therefore may be in beach of the both the General Data Protection Regulations & Privacy & Electronic Communications Regulations?

I notice that within the Newsletter the MCR21 video link URLs also state ?Track/Click? which also indicates (presumably) that Mailchimp is gathering data whenever a video link of MCR21 is clicked on. 

Unless I?m mistaken this campaign/practice is defined as ?Direct Marketing? ? 
It appears that these MCR21 Newsletters are a marketing campaign promoting financial donations for the restoration and future upkeep of Brian?s MCR21 - I also understand charities are Not exempt from the GDPR & PECR (regulations). 

I would like to get a better understanding of this and look forward to a reply and clarification from Nick & Brian.

Steve

> On 15 Jun 2021, at 09:04, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I noticed this info at the foot of an email this morning from ?Getting Personal? (personalised gift ideas I once used for granddaughters? birthday gifts).
>  
> <activity%20tracking[2].jpg>
>  
> I guess they are at least letting you know, though quite what they mean by ?turning off the images? is not clear to me. Is this commonplace?
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 5:07 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
>  
> One minor detail Steve: I didn?t specifically say that Mailchimp uses Spy Pixels because I have never investigated exactly what technology they use, but I do know that most commercial emails do incorporate tracking via Spy Pixels.  It?s quite likely that Mailchimp does use them, but I don?t know for sure.
>  
> Personally I don?t like the idea of companies collection excessive amounts of data about me and I especially disapprove of my data being sold on to other companies.  Therefore I welcome systems where these dodgy practices are thwarted within the users?s devices.  It?s a feature which Apple users will be able to opt in or out of, but recent data relating to comparable privacy controls shows that the vast majority of users choose to opt out when offered a simple choice.
>  
> I think that as online privacy becomes better understood, more and more people will choose to opt out when given a choice, but I?m equally sure that companies will devise increasingly sophisticated techniques for getting around these blockers and trying to grab data by other means.
>  
> Recently I got quite annoyed when I was looking at a web site for kitchen products and checked the details for a specific item, but then lost interest when I noticed it was unsuitable for use on an induction hob.  The next day, I got an email from that company saying that they noticed I was interested in that item but didn?t buy.  They were happy to offer a 5% discount if I purchased it that day.  I was miffed for two reasons, one is that it?s bad enough that they snoop on my browsing habits, but even worse to brag about it.  The other reason was that if they can offer a 5% discount, they could have offered that price on the day - not that it would have made any difference as I had already established that the product would not have been suitable for my purposes.
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
>  
> 
>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 14:31, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>>  
>> Nick,
>>  
>> Whether Mailchimp is ?used by thousands, if not millions? is irrelevant - so are Class A drugs!
>> My point is that you?re sending your MCR21 newsletters out to recipients via the Tech-Ops list and using a email marketing platform that may expose others to the risk of their email accounts being hacked and email details being harvested.
>> Why don?t you simply forward a PDF copy of your written articles to Tech-Ops about restoring your old OB truck ?
>> 
>> I?m aware that Mailchimp provides you with email tracking & monitoring information: How does this work when you are sending your newsletters via Bernie?s Tech-Ops list? (rather than directly to recipients).
>> 
>> Tech-Ops recipients may not be aware or wish to give consent to Mailchimp having access to their email addresses which may be at risk of being harvested and/or sent on to yourself to monitor?
>> 
>> I am interested to find out this aspect and wondered if you can confirm whether Mailchimp provides you with a list of individual email addresses of anyone on the Tech-Ops list who has opened your newsletters.
>> 
>> As most will be aware, this isn?t new technology, but,  as Alan points out, Mailchimp emails have a sneaky invisible Spy Pixel that provides you (the sender) with information following anyone opening emails: For those who aren?t already aware - It informs the sender when an email is opened, the IP address & provider, how many times it gets opened, the type of device used to open the email and whether any links were clicked etc.
>> 
>> I haven?t given you or any of your BTTT or MCR21 Charity trustees explicit consent to track any of my Internet/email activities, which is why I previously asked to Unsubscribe me from your MCR21 (Mailchimp) list.
>> 
>> Would either yourself or Brian be able to clarify the points I?ve raised, as your newsletters sent via Mailchimp email monitoring could easily be perceived as an invasion of an individual?s privacy.
>> 
>> Perhaps there?s something I?ve missed, but it would be helpful if you could clarify the situation.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I don't know the precise techniques used by MailChimp, but a massive number of emails use a Spy Pixel to report back to the sender when that email is opened.  This week, Apple announced that later this year, Apple?s operating systems will thwart Spy Pixels.
>>>  
>>> I?ve been concerned about users being tracked by Spy Pixels for at least a year and have been involved in a correspondence about this very subject with an internationally renowned Mac expert - John Gruber.  I?m delighted that Apple are addressing this issue as part of their drive to preserve the privacy of users.
>>>  
>>> Spy Pixels, AKA tracking pixels, are embedded into an email and report back to the sender telling them if and when you opened that email, how many times you opened it, details of the device used to open it and the IP address of the recipient.
>>>  
>>> It?s likely that the vast majority of commercial emails sent to you include Spy Pixels. If challenged, those companies tend to respond by saying that they are complying with widespread industry best practices, but rarely admit using Spy Pixels by name.
>>>  
>>> Alan Taylor
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> These MCR21 newsletters are sent out via Mailchimp - an email monitoring/marketing platform (apologies, but Spyware in my language)
>>>>  
>>>> I?ve heard that there?s a possibility of recipient?s email being hacked and there are some concerning reviews and bad press about Mailchimp. I?m surprised that email monitoring is deemed necessary for most recipients when reading about an old OB van - why can?t these newsletters simply be sent out as a PDF without having to monitor when & who opens it?
>>>>  
>>>> Steve
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.
>>>>> While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we had to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of vehicles and radio links etc.
>>>>> One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.
>>>>> I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) for a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there was Pete!
>>>>> Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & Farewell ? we need something like the WIS?
>>>>> (Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)
>>>>>  
>>>>> Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that address when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s stupid programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>  
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject:            MCR21 Newsletter
>>>>> Date:    Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000
>>>>> From:   Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>>> Reply-To:          Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>>> To:        bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> MCR21 Newsletter June 2021
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>   MCR21 PROJECT
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>   NEWSLETTER
>>>>>  
>>>>> JUNE 2021
>>>>>  
>>>>> View in your browser
>>>>> <https://mailchi.mp/ed5c136f272a/mcr21-newsletter?e=27b31bf3ae>
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 15 04:44:30 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:44:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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I'm not exactly sure what they mean by 'turning off the images" in that context because it's not something which users can usually apply to just one e-mail, it's usually a setting applied either to all e-mails or none.  If you change the settings on your e-mail client so that it never downloads remote images, then you will fail to see a certain amount of content on other emails. Unfortunately the days have long gone since e-mails were plain text messages with honest attachments. They are now loaded with all manner of junk.  A Spy Pixel masquerades as one of those remotely loaded images.  Turning off automatic downloading will defeat the Spy Pixel from functioning, but it will also ruin your viewing of many other e-mails.

The problem with simply turning it off is that you're throwing away the baby with the bathwater.  There are many remotely loaded images which you do want to see, but you probably would prefer to avoid the creepy stuff. You need a smart solution in order to block Spy Pixels while keeping honest stuff working.  Apple's solution is to route any such requests via an anonymising proxy service.

That's why I'm pleased that a company as prominent as Apple is taking this stand for privacy. Other developers such as HEY have approached this problem previously, but although it worked,  theirs was a niche solution and not widely known about or used.  If most of the people using Macs, iPhones and iPads decline to be tracked, that's going to disrupt the marketing data gathered from e-mails.  Similarly their recent changes to actively prevent companies such as Facebook tracking what users are doing by blocking the IDFA ( IDentifier For Advertisers ) for cross-app tracking is now a feature which users can choose to turn off or leave on ( It's reported that 96% of US users have opted out ). With the IDFA off, advertisers won't know what you're clicking on and will be unable to snoop at what you're doing on other apps, so they won't be able to deliver targeted advertisements to you. You'll still get adverts and may get frequent repetition of the same adverts, but I find it very easy to ignore adverts unless they prevent me from seeing what I'm trying to view. Any company which advertises in an intrusive way is spending money to put themselves in my black book of companies to avoid. By all means buy space for an advert saying that your product is great, but if they put a banner over my screen and block what I'm trying to view, they have crossed the line. 

Alan Taylor





On 15 Jun 2021, at 15 Jun . 09:03, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

> I noticed this info at the foot of an email this morning from ?Getting Personal? (personalised gift ideas I once used for granddaughters? birthday gifts).
>  
> <activity%20tracking[2].jpg>
>  
> I guess they are at least letting you know, though quite what they mean by ?turning off the images? is not clear to me. Is this commonplace?
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 04:45:03 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:45:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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Nick asked me to forward the email, which I always do.? If he asks me 
again, I'll do that too.? I think a good number of people here, 
including me, are interested.

Pretty much everything one looks at on the internet these days has 
tracking cookies, it's a fact of life.? I haven't noticed my world 
crumbling because of it,? and the level of spam etc doesn't seem to 
change particularly That may be down to Virgin taking out all those 
Russian girls and penis enlargements, who knows.

Tech-ops.co.uk doesn't have cookies, so I haven't put of of those pop up 
things.? So far I haven't thought of a way of exploiting you.

B




On 15/06/2021 10:32, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Not being pedantic here but my point is that by Nick sending his MCR21 
> newsletters to & via the _Tech-Ops list_, rather than to his own 
> (?Opted-in?) list of members) who may not already be aware that this 
> is a Mailchimp platform which typically uses tracking cookies and 
> provides email monitoring information back to the sender (Nick) and 
> therefore may be in beach of the both the General Data Protection 
> Regulations & Privacy & Electronic Communications Regulations?
>
>
> I notice that within the Newsletter the MCR21 video link URLs also 
> state ?Track/Click? which also indicates (presumably) that Mailchimp 
> is gathering data whenever a video link of MCR21 is clicked on.
>
>
> Unless I?m mistaken this campaign/practice is defined as ?Direct 
> Marketing? ?
>
> It appears that these MCR21 Newsletters are a marketing campaign 
> promoting financial donations for the restoration and future upkeep of 
> Brian?s MCR21 - I also understand charities are Not exempt from the 
> GDPR & PECR (regulations).
>
>
> I would like to get a better understanding of this and look forward to 
> a reply and clarification from Nick & Brian.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 09:04, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I noticed this info at the foot of an email this morning from 
>> ?Getting Personal? (personalised gift ideas I once used for 
>> granddaughters? birthday gifts).
>> <activity%20tracking[2].jpg>
>> I guess they are at least letting you know, though quite what they 
>> mean by ?turning off the images? is not clear to me. Is this commonplace?
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 5:07 PM
>> *To:* tech1
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
>> One minor detail Steve: I didn?t specifically say that Mailchimp uses 
>> Spy Pixels because I have never investigated exactly what technology 
>> they use, but I do know that most commercial emails do incorporate 
>> tracking via Spy Pixels.? It?s quite likely that Mailchimp does use 
>> them, but I don?t know for sure.
>> Personally I don?t like the idea of companies collection excessive 
>> amounts of data about me and I especially disapprove of my data being 
>> sold on to other companies.? Therefore I welcome systems where these 
>> dodgy practices are thwarted within the users?s devices.? It?s a 
>> feature which Apple users will be able to opt in or out of, but 
>> recent data relating to comparable privacy controls shows that the 
>> vast majority of users choose to opt out when offered a simple choice.
>> I think that as online privacy becomes better understood, more and 
>> more people will choose to opt out when given a choice, but I?m 
>> equally sure that companies will devise increasingly sophisticated 
>> techniques for getting around these blockers and trying to grab data 
>> by other means.
>> Recently I got quite annoyed when I was looking at a web site for 
>> kitchen products and checked the details for a specific item, but 
>> then lost interest when I noticed it was unsuitable for use on an 
>> induction hob.? The next day, I got an email from that company saying 
>> that they noticed I was interested in that item but didn?t buy.? They 
>> were happy to offer a 5% discount if I purchased it that day.? I was 
>> miffed for two reasons, one is that it?s bad enough that they snoop 
>> on my browsing habits, but even worse to brag about it.? The other 
>> reason was that if they can offer a 5% discount, they could have 
>> offered that price on the day - not that it would have made any 
>> difference as I had already established that the product would not 
>> have been suitable for my purposes.
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 14:31, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Nick,
>>>
>>> Whether Mailchimp is ?used by thousands, if not millions? is 
>>> irrelevant - so are Class A drugs!
>>>
>>> My point is that you?re sending your MCR21 newsletters out to 
>>> recipients via the Tech-Ops list and using a email marketing 
>>> platform that may expose others to the risk of their email accounts 
>>> being hacked and email details being harvested.
>>>
>>> Why don?t you simply forward a PDF copy of your written articles to 
>>> Tech-Ops about restoring your old OB truck ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I?m aware that Mailchimp provides you with email tracking & 
>>> monitoring information: How does this work when you are sending your 
>>> newsletters _via_ Bernie?s Tech-Ops list? (rather than directly to 
>>> recipients).
>>>
>>>
>>> Tech-Ops recipients may not be aware or wish to give consent to 
>>> Mailchimp having access to their email addresses which may be at 
>>> risk of being harvested and/or sent on to yourself to monitor?
>>>
>>>
>>> I am interested to find out this aspect and wondered if you can 
>>> confirm whether Mailchimp provides you with a list of individual 
>>> email addresses of anyone on the Tech-Ops list who has opened your 
>>> newsletters.
>>>
>>>
>>> As most will be aware, this isn?t new technology, but,? as Alan 
>>> points out, Mailchimp emails have a sneaky invisible Spy Pixel that 
>>> provides you (the sender) with information following anyone opening 
>>> emails: For those who aren?t already aware - It informs the sender 
>>> when an email is opened, the IP address & provider, how many times 
>>> it gets opened, the type of device used to open the email and 
>>> whether any links were clicked etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> I haven?t given you or any of your BTTT or MCR21 Charity trustees 
>>> explicit consent to track any of my Internet/email activities, which 
>>> is why I previously asked to Unsubscribe me from your MCR21 
>>> (Mailchimp) list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Would either yourself or Brian be able to clarify the points I?ve 
>>> raised, as your newsletters sent via Mailchimp email monitoring 
>>> could easily be perceived as an invasion of an individual?s privacy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps there?s something I?ve missed, but it would be helpful if 
>>> you could clarify the situation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 20:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> I don't know the precise techniques used by MailChimp, but a 
>>>> massive number of emails use a Spy Pixel to report back to the 
>>>> sender when that email is opened.? This week, Apple announced that 
>>>> later this year, Apple?s operating systems will thwart Spy Pixels.
>>>> I?ve been concerned about users being tracked by Spy Pixels for at 
>>>> least a year and have been involved in a correspondence about this 
>>>> very subject with an internationally renowned Mac expert - John 
>>>> Gruber.? I?m delighted that Apple are addressing this issue as part 
>>>> of their drive to preserve the privacy of users.
>>>> Spy Pixels, AKA tracking pixels, are embedded into an email and 
>>>> report back to the sender telling them if and when you opened that 
>>>> email, how many times you opened it, details of the device used to 
>>>> open it and the IP address of the recipient.
>>>> It?s likely that the vast majority of commercial emails sent to you 
>>>> include Spy Pixels. If challenged, those companies tend to respond 
>>>> by saying that they are complying with widespread industry best 
>>>> practices, but rarely admit using Spy Pixels by name.
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>
>>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 12:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> These MCR21 newsletters are sent out via Mailchimp - an email 
>>>>> monitoring/marketing platform (apologies, but Spyware in my language)
>>>>> I?ve heard that there?s a possibility of recipient?s email being 
>>>>> hacked and there are some concerning reviews and bad press about 
>>>>> Mailchimp. I?m surprised that email monitoring is deemed necessary 
>>>>> for most recipients when reading about an old OB van - why can?t 
>>>>> these newsletters simply be sent out as a PDF without having to 
>>>>> monitor when & who opens it?
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 Jun 2021, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 
>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fascinating, Bernie, thanks for forwarding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I never had true experience of working on OB?s, at TVC we 
>>>>>> had to plan a fictitious broadcast, to show our understanding, of 
>>>>>> vehicles and radio links etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of my mates at TVC, Peter Rose, moved to OB?s and became the 
>>>>>> resident sound mixer for Antiques Road Show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I collected a job to work on a day at Highclere (Downton Abbey) 
>>>>>> for a historical doco. I knocked on the scanner door, and there 
>>>>>> was Pete!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly, Pete passed away, and Bob Foley drove us to Portishead 
>>>>>> (Bristol) for his funeral. He had become a deacon for his Church, 
>>>>>> and the place was packed ? a good send off. At the reception, we 
>>>>>> linked up with Dave Mundy and Hibou who had turned up, as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernie does a good job in letting people know about Hail & 
>>>>>> Farewell ? we need something like the WIS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Wasn?t the editor of that known as ?the Ozzard??)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave P ? for some reason my Mail client always puts in that 
>>>>>> address when I try to select ?Tech-ops? Sorry about that. It?s 
>>>>>> stupid programme, will shift to Outlook, I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: MCR21 Newsletter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date:??? Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:22:38 +0000
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From:?? Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MCR21 Newsletter June 2021
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? MCR21 PROJECT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? NEWSLETTER
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JUNE 2021
>>>>>>
>>>>>> View in your browser
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://mailchi.mp/ed5c136f272a/mcr21-newsletter?e=27b31bf3ae>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 15 05:05:52 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:05:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
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Great to know that Apple are taking a stand for privacy ??now that they already my Full Name & DOB, Address, Phone Number,  Fingerprint, Recognise my face, Payment information, Access to my photos with facial recognition software, Know exactly where I am  and where I?ve been and even know what I sound like!  

Anything I?ve missed?

?? Nice to know my privacy will be safe with Apple!

??
Steve 
(A sense of humour may be required)

> On 15 Jun 2021, at 10:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm not exactly sure what they mean by 'turning off the images" in that context because it's not something which users can usually apply to just one e-mail, it's usually a setting applied either to all e-mails or none.  If you change the settings on your e-mail client so that it never downloads remote images, then you will fail to see a certain amount of content on other emails. Unfortunately the days have long gone since e-mails were plain text messages with honest attachments. They are now loaded with all manner of junk.  A Spy Pixel masquerades as one of those remotely loaded images.  Turning off automatic downloading will defeat the Spy Pixel from functioning, but it will also ruin your viewing of many other e-mails.
> 
> The problem with simply turning it off is that you're throwing away the baby with the bathwater.  There are many remotely loaded images which you do want to see, but you probably would prefer to avoid the creepy stuff. You need a smart solution in order to block Spy Pixels while keeping honest stuff working.  Apple's solution is to route any such requests via an anonymising proxy service.
> 
> That's why I'm pleased that a company as prominent as Apple is taking this stand for privacy. Other developers such as HEY have approached this problem previously, but although it worked,  theirs was a niche solution and not widely known about or used.  If most of the people using Macs, iPhones and iPads decline to be tracked, that's going to disrupt the marketing data gathered from e-mails.  Similarly their recent changes to actively prevent companies such as Facebook tracking what users are doing by blocking the IDFA ( IDentifier For Advertisers ) for cross-app tracking is now a feature which users can choose to turn off or leave on ( It's reported that 96% of US users have opted out ). With the IDFA off, advertisers won't know what you're clicking on and will be unable to snoop at what you're doing on other apps, so they won't be able to deliver targeted advertisements to you. You'll still get adverts and may get frequent repetition of the same adverts, but I find it very easy to ignore adverts unless they prevent me from seeing what I'm trying to view. Any company which advertises in an intrusive way is spending money to put themselves in my black book of companies to avoid. By all means buy space for an advert saying that your product is great, but if they put a banner over my screen and block what I'm trying to view, they have crossed the line. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 15 Jun . 09:03, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I noticed this info at the foot of an email this morning from ?Getting Personal? (personalised gift ideas I once used for granddaughters? birthday gifts).
>>  
>> <activity%20tracking[2].jpg>
>>  
>> I guess they are at least letting you know, though quite what they mean by ?turning off the images? is not clear to me. Is this commonplace?
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>>  
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Jun 15 05:33:07 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:33:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <9F0316A1-C17E-4DF0-8D33-8654E1D88B3D@btinternet.com>
References: <9F0316A1-C17E-4DF0-8D33-8654E1D88B3D@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <916671A7-F08C-4726-8F1B-A2A3DEF852CD@mac.com>

Apple Mail allows you to set not to download embedded images as a general rule, but you can opt to see them from each individual e-mail. I imagine other mail clients may offer the same. 

Mike G

> On 15 Jun 2021, at 11:06, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Great to know that Apple are taking a stand for privacy ??now that they already my Full Name & DOB, Address, Phone Number,  Fingerprint, Recognise my face, Payment information, Access to my photos with facial recognition software, Know exactly where I am  and where I?ve been and even know what I sound like!  
> 
> Anything I?ve missed?
> 
> ?? Nice to know my privacy will be safe with Apple!
> 
> ??
> Steve 
> (A sense of humour may be required)
> 
>>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 10:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?I'm not exactly sure what they mean by 'turning off the images" in that context because it's not something which users can usually apply to just one e-mail, it's usually a setting applied either to all e-mails or none.  If you change the settings on your e-mail client so that it never downloads remote images, then you will fail to see a certain amount of content on other emails. Unfortunately the days have long gone since e-mails were plain text messages with honest attachments. They are now loaded with all manner of junk.  A Spy Pixel masquerades as one of those remotely loaded images.  Turning off automatic downloading will defeat the Spy Pixel from functioning, but it will also ruin your viewing of many other e-mails.
>> 
>> The problem with simply turning it off is that you're throwing away the baby with the bathwater.  There are many remotely loaded images which you do want to see, but you probably would prefer to avoid the creepy stuff. You need a smart solution in order to block Spy Pixels while keeping honest stuff working.  Apple's solution is to route any such requests via an anonymising proxy service.
>> 
>> That's why I'm pleased that a company as prominent as Apple is taking this stand for privacy. Other developers such as HEY have approached this problem previously, but although it worked,  theirs was a niche solution and not widely known about or used.  If most of the people using Macs, iPhones and iPads decline to be tracked, that's going to disrupt the marketing data gathered from e-mails.  Similarly their recent changes to actively prevent companies such as Facebook tracking what users are doing by blocking the IDFA ( IDentifier For Advertisers ) for cross-app tracking is now a feature which users can choose to turn off or leave on ( It's reported that 96% of US users have opted out ). With the IDFA off, advertisers won't know what you're clicking on and will be unable to snoop at what you're doing on other apps, so they won't be able to deliver targeted advertisements to you. You'll still get adverts and may get frequent repetition of the same adverts, but I find it very easy to ignore adverts unless they prevent me from seeing what I'm trying to view. Any company which advertises in an intrusive way is spending money to put themselves in my black book of companies to avoid. By all means buy space for an advert saying that your product is great, but if they put a banner over my screen and block what I'm trying to view, they have crossed the line. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 15 Jun . 09:03, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I noticed this info at the foot of an email this morning from ?Getting Personal? (personalised gift ideas I once used for granddaughters? birthday gifts).
>>>  
>>> <activity%20tracking[2].jpg>
>>>  
>>> I guess they are at least letting you know, though quite what they mean by ?turning off the images? is not clear to me. Is this commonplace?
>>>  
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>  
>>>  
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jun 15 05:46:24 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:46:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <916671A7-F08C-4726-8F1B-A2A3DEF852CD@mac.com>
References: <9F0316A1-C17E-4DF0-8D33-8654E1D88B3D@btinternet.com>
	<916671A7-F08C-4726-8F1B-A2A3DEF852CD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000701d761d3$afbfdf20$0f3f9d60$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Outlook is the same, but what neitheremail give the option to block ?pictures used to track me? while seeing ?pictures which are part of the email?!

 

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>  

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk/> 

Linkedin;    <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746> http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: 15 June 2021 11:33
To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter

 

Apple Mail allows you to set not to download embedded images as a general rule, but you can opt to see them from each individual e-mail. I imagine other mail clients may offer the same. 

 

Mike G





On 15 Jun 2021, at 11:06, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?

Great to know that Apple are taking a stand for privacy ??now that they already my Full Name & DOB, Address, Phone Number,  Fingerprint, Recognise my face, Payment information, Access to my photos with facial recognition software, Know exactly where I am  and where I?ve been and even know what I sound like!  

 

Anything I?ve missed?

 

?? Nice to know my privacy will be safe with Apple!

 

??

Steve 

(A sense of humour may be required)





On 15 Jun 2021, at 10:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?I'm not exactly sure what they mean by 'turning off the images" in that context because it's not something which users can usually apply to just one e-mail, it's usually a setting applied either to all e-mails or none.  If you change the settings on your e-mail client so that it never downloads remote images, then you will fail to see a certain amount of content on other emails. Unfortunately the days have long gone since e-mails were plain text messages with honest attachments. They are now loaded with all manner of junk.  A Spy Pixel masquerades as one of those remotely loaded images.  Turning off automatic downloading will defeat the Spy Pixel from functioning, but it will also ruin your viewing of many other e-mails.

 

The problem with simply turning it off is that you're throwing away the baby with the bathwater.  There are many remotely loaded images which you do want to see, but you probably would prefer to avoid the creepy stuff. You need a smart solution in order to block Spy Pixels while keeping honest stuff working.  Apple's solution is to route any such requests via an anonymising proxy service.

 

That's why I'm pleased that a company as prominent as Apple is taking this stand for privacy. Other developers such as HEY have approached this problem previously, but although it worked,  theirs was a niche solution and not widely known about or used.  If most of the people using Macs, iPhones and iPads decline to be tracked, that's going to disrupt the marketing data gathered from e-mails.  Similarly their recent changes to actively prevent companies such as Facebook tracking what users are doing by blocking the IDFA ( IDentifier For Advertisers ) for cross-app tracking is now a feature which users can choose to turn off or leave on ( It's reported that 96% of US users have opted out ). With the IDFA off, advertisers won't know what you're clicking on and will be unable to snoop at what you're doing on other apps, so they won't be able to deliver targeted advertisements to you. You'll still get adverts and may get frequent repetition of the same adverts, but I find it very easy to ignore adverts unless they prevent me from seeing what I'm trying to view. Any company which advertises in an intrusive way is spending money to put themselves in my black book of companies to avoid. By all means buy space for an advert saying that your product is great, but if they put a banner over my screen and block what I'm trying to view, they have crossed the line. 

 

Alan Taylor

 

 

 

 

 

On 15 Jun 2021, at 15 Jun . 09:03, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net <mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> > wrote:





I noticed this info at the foot of an email this morning from ?Getting Personal? (personalised gift ideas I once used for granddaughters? birthday gifts).

 

<activity%20tracking[2].jpg>

 

I guess they are at least letting you know, though quite what they mean by ?turning off the images? is not clear to me. Is this commonplace?

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 15 05:47:39 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:47:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <9F0316A1-C17E-4DF0-8D33-8654E1D88B3D@btinternet.com>
References: <32BE707C-9404-474E-9DD1-5D92752A7E20@me.com>
	<9F0316A1-C17E-4DF0-8D33-8654E1D88B3D@btinternet.com>
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Things such as  fingerprint, face ID and credit card detais for contactless payments are held solely within the phone and Apple can't access them, even if you were to hand them your device and beg them to do it.  There is a dedicated processor in iPhones, iPads and newer Macs called the Secure Enclave.  It handles sensitive data in a way that can't be accessed by the rest of the system or by anything outside of the device.For instance, it doesn't contain an image of your fingerprint, just a collection of data points calculated from a number of aspects of your fingerprint.  When you touch the sensor the Secure Enclave reports back saying yes or no regarding the finger on the sensor. A similar process happens with face recognition, it doesn't contain a mug shot of you, just 3D measurements relating to your physical features and it checks whether the face it's seeing has similar measurements.

All smartphones log data such as where you have been, it's essential in order to make them work in the way that you expect them to work.  Apple's approach is whenever possible to store all that data in your device, not in their central servers. To put it into context, a study from the School of Computer Science and Statistics in Dublin reported that Apple devices send about 42kB of data back to Apple in 24 hours, while an Android phone sends Google 1MB in the same period.

Apple's business model isn't selling data about people, it's about selling hardware.  They don't need to collect data from you and sell to others. They only collect what it needed to interact with you and they are increasingly off-loading tasks which previously used the Cloud ( such as certain types of voice recognition ) to now be done entirely within the handset and not require an internet connection to operate.  Their new chips are fast enough to handle jobs which previously depended on central servers. 

I think that future handsets on all platforms will do more of the heavy lifting within the device now that ARM chips are becoming so powerful and memory capacities are increasing. What different platforms will do about user privacy remains to be seen as they each have different priorities. It also remains to be seen how users regard their digital privacy. Privacy wasn't talked about very much until a few years ago.

Alan Taylor


On 15 Jun 2021, at 15 Jun . 11:05, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Great to know that Apple are taking a stand for privacy ??now that they already my Full Name & DOB, Address, Phone Number,  Fingerprint, Recognise my face, Payment information, Access to my photos with facial recognition software, Know exactly where I am  and where I?ve been and even know what I sound like!  
> 
> Anything I?ve missed?
> 
> ?? Nice to know my privacy will be safe with Apple!
> 
> ??
> Steve 
> (A sense of humour may be required)
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 10:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I'm not exactly sure what they mean by 'turning off the images" in that context because it's not something which users can usually apply to just one e-mail, it's usually a setting applied either to all e-mails or none.  If you change the settings on your e-mail client so that it never downloads remote images, then you will fail to see a certain amount of content on other emails. Unfortunately the days have long gone since e-mails were plain text messages with honest attachments. They are now loaded with all manner of junk.  A Spy Pixel masquerades as one of those remotely loaded images.  Turning off automatic downloading will defeat the Spy Pixel from functioning, but it will also ruin your viewing of many other e-mails.
>> 
>> The problem with simply turning it off is that you're throwing away the baby with the bathwater.  There are many remotely loaded images which you do want to see, but you probably would prefer to avoid the creepy stuff. You need a smart solution in order to block Spy Pixels while keeping honest stuff working.  Apple's solution is to route any such requests via an anonymising proxy service.
>> 
>> That's why I'm pleased that a company as prominent as Apple is taking this stand for privacy. Other developers such as HEY have approached this problem previously, but although it worked,  theirs was a niche solution and not widely known about or used.  If most of the people using Macs, iPhones and iPads decline to be tracked, that's going to disrupt the marketing data gathered from e-mails.  Similarly their recent changes to actively prevent companies such as Facebook tracking what users are doing by blocking the IDFA ( IDentifier For Advertisers ) for cross-app tracking is now a feature which users can choose to turn off or leave on ( It's reported that 96% of US users have opted out ). With the IDFA off, advertisers won't know what you're clicking on and will be unable to snoop at what you're doing on other apps, so they won't be able to deliver targeted advertisements to you. You'll still get adverts and may get frequent repetition of the same adverts, but I find it very easy to ignore adverts unless they prevent me from seeing what I'm trying to view. Any company which advertises in an intrusive way is spending money to put themselves in my black book of companies to avoid. By all means buy space for an advert saying that your product is great, but if they put a banner over my screen and block what I'm trying to view, they have crossed the line. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Jun 2021, at 15 Jun . 09:03, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I noticed this info at the foot of an email this morning from ?Getting Personal? (personalised gift ideas I once used for granddaughters? birthday gifts).
>>>  
>>> <activity%20tracking[2].jpg>
>>>  
>>> I guess they are at least letting you know, though quite what they mean by ?turning off the images? is not clear to me. Is this commonplace?
>>>  
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>  
>>>  
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From alan_machin at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 15 11:49:49 2021
From: alan_machin at hotmail.com (Alan Machin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:49:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shredders.
Message-ID: <DB3PR0602MB38044641550DFFBDB14F80C192309@DB3PR0602MB3804.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Dave,

In your posting of 24 January you said you had a lot of shredding to do before dying and had bought a Bonsaii C-169. Like you I have a lot of paper to get rid of and don't wish to leave it to the children to sort out, so I am looking for a decent shredder.
After almost 6 months of use how are finding the Bonsaii C-169?

All the best, hope to see you at a Disorganised sometime!

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From techtone at protonmail.com  Wed Jun 16 15:07:27 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 20:07:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
Message-ID: <UotoYIFOIH6m1itAK6y_6W5_y6hOJf6ieZSl1kG4jwskcxmstk5brHnBkbrHR14TnZxFNIW0qEgYgnZBkKijqyDUSWeeeT0FLV4vyLLeQng=@protonmail.com>

I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:

The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!

The query:

Dear Tech Support,

Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0.

In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.

Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system.

Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.

What can I do?

Signed: Desperate

The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...

Dear Desperate,

First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system.

Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2.

Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.

However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1.

Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version.

Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.

In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.

In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.

You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.

Good Luck

Tech Support Team.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun 16 16:03:03 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 22:03:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <UotoYIFOIH6m1itAK6y_6W5_y6hOJf6ieZSl1kG4jwskcxmstk5brHnBkbrHR14TnZxFNIW0qEgYgnZBkKijqyDUSWeeeT0FLV4vyLLeQng=@protonmail.com>
References: <UotoYIFOIH6m1itAK6y_6W5_y6hOJf6ieZSl1kG4jwskcxmstk5brHnBkbrHR14TnZxFNIW0qEgYgnZBkKijqyDUSWeeeT0FLV4vyLLeQng=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A49A1DABE984F6EA6538C4D1EB50F4D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!

Dave Newbitt.

From: techtone via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support

I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:


The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!


The query:


Dear Tech Support,


Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. 


In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.


Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. 


Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.


What can I do?


Signed: Desperate





The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...


 

Dear Desperate,


First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. 


Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2. 


Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.


However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1. 



 

Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version. 



 

Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.



 

In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. 



 

In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. 



 

You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.



 

Good Luck



 

Tech Support Team.



 




TeaTeaFN - Tony


Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jun 16 16:37:03 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 22:37:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <2A49A1DABE984F6EA6538C4D1EB50F4D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <UotoYIFOIH6m1itAK6y_6W5_y6hOJf6ieZSl1kG4jwskcxmstk5brHnBkbrHR14TnZxFNIW0qEgYgnZBkKijqyDUSWeeeT0FLV4vyLLeQng=@protonmail.com>
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Message-ID: <60ca6eff.1c69fb81.93ec4.ef11@mx.google.com>

Sorry, but that?s an old one.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support

That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: techtone via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
?
I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:
?
The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!
The query:
Dear Tech Support,
Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. 
In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.
Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. 
Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.
What can I do?
Signed: Desperate
?

The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...

?
Dear Desperate,
First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. 
Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2. 
Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.
However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1. 

?
Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version. 

?
Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.

?
In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. 

?
In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. 

?
You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.

?
Good Luck

?
Tech Support Team.

?
?
?
TeaTeaFN - Tony
?
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun 16 17:17:35 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 23:17:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <60ca6eff.1c69fb81.93ec4.ef11@mx.google.com>
References: <UotoYIFOIH6m1itAK6y_6W5_y6hOJf6ieZSl1kG4jwskcxmstk5brHnBkbrHR14TnZxFNIW0qEgYgnZBkKijqyDUSWeeeT0FLV4vyLLeQng=@protonmail.com><2A49A1DABE984F6EA6538C4D1EB50F4D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Message-ID: <CE6D4CECD0B746A9B621AA110296F4D8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

It may be old to seasoned world travellers but that doesn?t spoil it for the less worldly-wise among us. Remember ?there?s nothing new under the sun? which could result in nobody bothering to say anything to anyone.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:37 PM
To: David Newbitt ; techtone ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support

Sorry, but that?s an old one.

Pat

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support

 

That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

From: techtone via Tech1 

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM

To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 

Subject: [Tech1] Technical support

 

I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:

 

The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!

The query:

Dear Tech Support,

Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. 

In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.

Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. 

Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.

What can I do?

Signed: Desperate

 


The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...


 

Dear Desperate,

First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. 

Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2. 

Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.

However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1. 


 

Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version. 


 

Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.


 

In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. 


 

In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. 


 

You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.


 

Good Luck


 

Tech Support Team.


 

 

 

TeaTeaFN - Tony

 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 16 18:27:53 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 00:27:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <60ca6eff.1c69fb81.93ec4.ef11@mx.google.com>
References: <UotoYIFOIH6m1itAK6y_6W5_y6hOJf6ieZSl1kG4jwskcxmstk5brHnBkbrHR14TnZxFNIW0qEgYgnZBkKijqyDUSWeeeT0FLV4vyLLeQng=@protonmail.com>
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Spoil Sport! I hadn't seen it before, but there again I don't spend 
every living minute on the computer! Thanks Tony. Cheers, Dave

On 16/06/2021 22:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Sorry, but that?s an old one.
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *David Newbitt via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *16 June 2021 22:03
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>
> That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be 
> conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is 
> genuine wit. Great stuff!
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:*techtone via Tech1
>
> *Sent:*Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
>
> *To:*Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>
> *Subject:*[Tech1] Technical support
>
> I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with 
> humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my 
> favourite for this year:
>
> The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about 
> her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she 
> got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support 
> people's love advice was hilarious and genius!
>
> The query:
>
> Dear Tech Support,
>
> Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a 
> distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the 
> flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under 
> Boyfriend 5.0.
>
> In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, 
> such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed 
> undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.
>
> Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes 
> the system.
>
> Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these 
> problems, but to no avail.
>
> What can I do?
>
> Signed: Desperate
>
>
> The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...
>
>
> Dear Desperate,
>
> First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while 
> Husband 1.0 is an operating system.
>
> Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download 
> Tears 6.2.
>
> Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application 
> works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the 
> applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.
>
> However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 
> 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1.
>
>
> Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download 
> Snoring Loudly Beta version.
>
>
> Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install 
> Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will 
> eventually seize control of all your system resources.
>
>
> In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 
> program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.
>
>
> In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited 
> memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.
>
>
> You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and 
> performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.
>
>
> Good Luck
>
>
> Tech Support Team.
>
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jun 17 04:42:22 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 09:42:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981320495EB33732D7959AAA70E9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

??Sorry,? doesn?t make your harsh put-down OK, Pat. I must remember to quote it back at you next time you re-tell one of your oft-repeated tales. It was new to me, and I daresay it amused plenty of others.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 16 Jun 2021, at 22:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Sorry, but that?s an old one.
Pat

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: David Newbitt via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support

That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!

Dave Newbitt.

From: techtone via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support

I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:


The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!

The query:

Dear Tech Support,

Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0.

In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.

Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system.

Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.

What can I do?

Signed: Desperate



The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...



Dear Desperate,

First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system.

Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2.

Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.

However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1.

 Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version.

 Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.

 In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.

 In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.

 You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.

 Good Luck

 Tech Support Team.

 TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 07:03:48 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 13:03:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB1981320495EB33732D7959AAA70E9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PAXP191MB1981320495EB33732D7959AAA70E9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <00a201d76370$d4a1cee0$7de56ca0$@gmail.com>

The story was new to me too and it made me smile as it was well written and a humorous comment on life.

 

As to what?s arisen in its wake, I know that age is said to bring an element of grumpiness and irascibility from which I?m guilty myself at times, but we need to remember to be patient with one another especially with what we put in print and try to avoid hurting people?s feelings.

When we were at work I?m sure we all suffered from occasional stinging remarks and trespassed against others ourselves with hasty and ill-considered words or actions from which we walked away not realising the effect it had on the recipient.

 

Now we?re older and should be wiser and more relaxed, let?s try to maintain the notional tea-bar friendly atmosphere in this forum - and if we have given offence, intentionally or otherwise, have the grace to admit it and apologise properly.

 

Eating humble pie may not be the food of choice but when needed, there?s nothing so tasty and satisfying if restores friendships and clears the air,

 

Here endeth today?s lesson,

 

With kind regards to all,

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 17 June 2021 10:42
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support

 

??Sorry,? doesn?t make your harsh put-down OK, Pat. I must remember to quote it back at you next time you re-tell one of your oft-repeated tales. It was new to me, and I daresay it amused plenty of others. 

Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5





On 16 Jun 2021, at 22:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? 

Sorry, but that?s an old one.

Pat

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

From: David Newbitt via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support

 

That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

From: techtone via Tech1 

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM

To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 

Subject: [Tech1] Technical support

 

I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:

 

The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!

The query:

Dear Tech Support,

Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. 

In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.

Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. 

Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.

What can I do?

Signed: Desperate

 


The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...


 

Dear Desperate,

First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. 

Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2. 

Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.

However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1. 


 Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version.


 Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.


 In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.


 In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.


 You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.


 Good Luck


 Tech Support Team.


 TeaTeaFN - Tony

 

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From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 19:22:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021 4:16:20
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To: 	dave.mdv at btinternet.com
Subject: 	Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m. | 
Refund available
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HMRC Brexit webinars

*Date: 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m.*
Dear dave.mdv at btinternet.com

THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL - Please do not reply as emails received at 
this address cannot be responded to.

*You are eligible to claim tax refund of ?275.38*

According to advance tax calculation, you are paid extra amount in this 
account which can be claimed or adjusted in your next fiscal year.

If you wish to claim this amount please complete the refund form.

Proceed 
<https://kadmielint.com.co/grocery_store-web_Free20-07-2017_336905076/web/>


Things to keep in hand while claiming
? ?Personal ID to enter official name and address.
? ?Your debit card to which you want the refund to be credited.
? ?Active mobile phone to receive calls.


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From davelebreton at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 17 13:46:42 2021
From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 19:46:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021
 4:16:20 p.m. | Refund available
In-Reply-To: <632f8ae2-4615-6526-dc2e-2b3742609688@btinternet.com>
References: <20210617161620.1EA83851B4C2E512@telenet.be>
	<632f8ae2-4615-6526-dc2e-2b3742609688@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <7A9FE84CE9CE48CFB76132DEF89BFF1E@DavidPC>

Very strange ? it seems I am entitled to exactly the same amount as you!

Cheers, Dave LeB

From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:22 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Dave ; Richard ; Pete 
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m. | Refund available

Whoopee! More money coming my way, just what an OAP needs! Or not? Note the telltale 'telnet.be' in the address! Not Belgium but Belize, I think. Beware! Cheers, Dave




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                              Date: 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m. 
                                Dear dave.mdv at btinternet.com

                                THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL - Please do not reply as emails received at this address cannot be responded to. 

                                You are eligible to claim tax refund of ?275.38

                                According to advance tax calculation, you are paid extra amount in this account which can be claimed or adjusted in your next fiscal year. 

                                If you wish to claim this amount please complete the refund form.

                                Proceed


                                Things to keep in hand while claiming
                                ?  Personal ID to enter official name and address.
                                ?  Your debit card to which you want the refund to be credited.
                                ?  Active mobile phone to receive calls.


                                ILXQI: rcoxpnpulqrtveaorelhxgmvzclxyzinprxclqxksvcfzoajdidjpzcwnnkvtdhiywjazruzyg

                                Kind regards
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jun 17 14:41:05 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 20:41:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021
 4:16:20 p.m. | Refund available
In-Reply-To: <632f8ae2-4615-6526-dc2e-2b3742609688@btinternet.com>
References: <632f8ae2-4615-6526-dc2e-2b3742609688@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1AA24BAE-F6B4-48E1-91B7-E3508598A235@me.com>

Apart from the sender being in Belize and that they don?t refer to you by name, do you normally receive emails from Gov.uk which end with ?kind regards??

A while ago I received a similar email where the official looking logo was for an entirely different government department to the one the email was purporting to have been sent from.

Alan Taylor

> On 17 Jun 2021, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> Whoopee! More money coming my way, just what an OAP needs! Or not? Note the telltale 'telnet.be' in the address! Not Belgium but Belize, I think. Beware! Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
> 
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> From:	HM Customs and Revenue - Digital tax refund rxxel <xfbouz at telenet.be>
> To:	dave.mdv at btinternet.com
> Subject:	Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m. | Refund available
> Date:	17 Jun 2021 16:16:21 +0100
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> 
> 
> 
> Date: 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m.
> Dear dave.mdv at btinternet.com
> 
> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL - Please do not reply as emails received at this address cannot be responded to. 
> 
> You are eligible to claim tax refund of ?275.38
> 
> According to advance tax calculation, you are paid extra amount in this account which can be claimed or adjusted in your next fiscal year. 
> 
> If you wish to claim this amount please complete the refund form.
> 
> Proceed
> 
> 
> Things to keep in hand while claiming
> ?  Personal ID to enter official name and address.
> ?  Your debit card to which you want the refund to be credited.
> ?  Active mobile phone to receive calls.
> 
> 
> ILXQI: rcoxpnpulqrtveaorelhxgmvzclxyzinprxclqxksvcfzoajdidjpzcwnnkvtdhiywjazruzyg
> 
> Kind regards
> GOV.UK
> 
> 
> 
> 
> HM Revenue & Customs - GOV.UK
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Jun 17 15:34:04 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 20:34:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <00a201d76370$d4a1cee0$7de56ca0$@gmail.com>
References: <PAXP191MB1981320495EB33732D7959AAA70E9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<00a201d76370$d4a1cee0$7de56ca0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <USoQ83EJm2humGLMYQvGa0tHSHX3XkwEI0W53WMgtiYTy0CchKkLmMlqpNIf-CbPyawCl-q0ofWsULAhnUDd8eL5gtd0IUGA7RqcU-G75Zc=@protonmail.com>

To be fair to Pat, I wasn't upset, as you may have gathered that I get an awful lot of emails from time to time, and whilst I've often previously seen quite a bit of the humour that arrives, I simply consign it to the trash. Say, how many in the trash are duplicates from Pat? Oo-er missus (Sorry Pat, that's an uncalled for response, but I would hope that all of us on this list have reached the stage where we can put up with each others foibles, and enjoy the range of views that ensue), Not forgetting lots of thanks to Bernie for putting up with it all too!

Meanwhile, here's one from my sister in Belfast which arrived today, I hope I'm in first with posting it to this list!
[IMG-20210617-WA0000.jpg]

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email.

??????? Original Message ???????
On Thursday, June 17th, 2021 at 13:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> The story was new to me too and it made me smile as it was well written and a humorous comment on life.
>
> As to what?s arisen in its wake, I know that age is said to bring an element of grumpiness and irascibility from which I?m guilty myself at times, but we need to remember to be patient with one another especially with what we put in print and try to avoid hurting people?s feelings.
>
> When we were at work I?m sure we all suffered from occasional stinging remarks and trespassed against others ourselves with hasty and ill-considered words or actions from which we walked away not realising the effect it had on the recipient.
>
> Now we?re older and should be wiser and more relaxed, let?s try to maintain the notional tea-bar friendly atmosphere in this forum - and if we have given offence, intentionally or otherwise, have the grace to admit it and apologise properly.
>
> Eating humble pie may not be the food of choice but when needed, there?s nothing so tasty and satisfying if restores friendships and clears the air,
>
> Here endeth today?s lesson,
>
> With kind regards to all,
>
> Geoff Hawkes
>
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: 17 June 2021 10:42
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>
> ??Sorry,? doesn?t make your harsh put-down OK, Pat. I must remember to quote it back at you next time you re-tell one of your oft-repeated tales. It was new to me, and I daresay it amused plenty of others.
>
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 22:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ?
>>
>> Sorry, but that?s an old one.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from [Mail](https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986) for Windows 10
>>
>> From: [David Newbitt via Tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
>> Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>>
>> That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> From: techtone via Tech1
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
>>
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>
>> Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
>>
>> I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:
>>
>> The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!
>>
>> The query:
>>
>> Dear Tech Support,
>>
>> Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0.
>>
>> In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.
>>
>> Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system.
>>
>> Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.
>>
>> What can I do?
>>
>> Signed: Desperate
>>
>> The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...
>>
>> Dear Desperate,
>>
>> First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system.
>>
>> Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2.
>>
>> Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.
>>
>> However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1.
>>
>> Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version.
>>
>> Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.
>>
>> In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.
>>
>> In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.
>>
>> You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.
>>
>> Good Luck
>>
>> Tech Support Team.
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>
>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email.
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Jun 17 15:39:01 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 20:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021
 4:16:20 p.m. | Refund available
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References: <632f8ae2-4615-6526-dc2e-2b3742609688@btinternet.com>
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A couple of years ago I received an email which claimed to be from HMRC offering help with filling in my tax return. I immediately passed it on to them as a phishing email. A week or so later I got a polite reply informing me that it really was genuine!

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email.

??????? Original Message ???????
On Thursday, June 17th, 2021 at 20:41, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Apart from the sender being in Belize and that they don?t refer to you by name, do you normally receive emails from Gov.uk which end with ?kind regards??
>
> A while ago I received a similar email where the official looking logo was for an entirely different government department to the one the email was purporting to have been sent from.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 17 Jun 2021, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ?
>>
>> Whoopee! More money coming my way, just what an OAP needs! Or not? Note the telltale 'telnet.be' in the address! Not Belgium but Belize, I think. Beware! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Return-Path:	[<xfbouz at telenet.be>](mailto:xfbouz at telenet.be)
>> Received:	from sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net ([10.2.38.18]) by sa-prd-fep-035.mx.internal with ESMTP id [<20210617151622.TYYI12278.sa-prd-fep-035.mx.internal at sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>](mailto:20210617151622.TYYI12278.sa-prd-fep-035.mx.internal at sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net) for [<dave.mdv at btinternet.com>](mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com); Thu, 17 Jun 2021 16:16:22 +0100
>> Authentication-Results:	btinternet.com; dmarc=pass header.from=telenet.be; dkim=none; dkim=error; spf=none smtp.helo=albert.telenet-ops.be; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=telenet.be; bimi=skipped
>> X-OWM-SPF-MAILFROM:	Pass
>> X-OWM-SPF:	0
>> Received-SPF:	none (sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net: domain albert.telenet-ops.be does not designate permitted sender hosts) identity=helo; receiver=sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net; client-ip=195.130.137.90; helo=albert.telenet-ops.be;
>> Received-SPF:	pass (sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net: domain telenet.be designates 195.130.137.90 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; receiver=sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net; client-ip=195.130.137.90; envelope-from=xfbouz at telenet.be; helo=albert.telenet-ops.be;
>> X-Originating-IP:	[195.130.137.90]
>> X-OWM-Source-IP:	195.130.137.90 (BE)
>> X-OWM-Env-Sender:	xfbouz at telenet.be
>> X-SNCR-Rigid:	60CA9A3D001CA05C
>> X-OWM-DMARC:	spf 0 dkim 7
>> X-OWM-DKIM:	5
>> X-VadeSecure-score:	verdict=clean score=20/300, class=clean
>> X-SNCR-VADESECURE:	CLEAN
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>> X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict:	clean 20
>> X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification:	clean
>> Received:	from albert.telenet-ops.be (195.130.137.90) by sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net (5.8.716.03) id 60CA9A3D001CA05C for dave.mdv at btinternet.com; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 16:16:22 +0100
>> Received:	from smtp.telenet.be ([94.225.243.190]) by albert.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id JFGA2500W47Bjt206FGMSz; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 17:16:22 +0200
>> From:	HM Customs and Revenue - Digital tax refund rxxel [<xfbouz at telenet.be>](mailto:xfbouz at telenet.be)
>> To:	dave.mdv at btinternet.com
>> Subject:	Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m. | Refund available
>> Date:	17 Jun 2021 16:16:21 +0100
>> Message-ID:	[<20210617161620.1EA83851B4C2E512 at telenet.be>](mailto:20210617161620.1EA83851B4C2E512 at telenet.be)
>> MIME-Version:	1.0
>> Content-Type:	multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_7FF92047.22158C5A"
>>
>> [HMRC
>> Brexit webinars]
>>
>> Date: 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m.
>>
>> Dear dave.mdv at btinternet.com
>>
>> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL - Please do not reply as emails received at this address cannot be responded to.
>>
>> You are eligible to claim tax refund of ?275.38
>>
>> According to advance tax calculation, you are paid extra amount in this account which can be claimed or adjusted in your next fiscal year.
>>
>> If you wish to claim this amount please complete the refund form.
>>
>> [Proceed](https://kadmielint.com.co/grocery_store-web_Free20-07-2017_336905076/web/)
>>
>> Things to keep in hand while claiming
>> ? Personal ID to enter official name and address.
>> ? Your debit card to which you want the refund to be credited.
>> ? Active mobile phone to receive calls.
>>
>> ILXQI: rcoxpnpulqrtveaorelhxgmvzclxyzinprxclqxksvcfzoajdidjpzcwnnkvtdhiywjazruzyg
>> Kind regards
>> GOV.UK
>>
>> HM Revenue & Customs - GOV.UK --
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 17 15:44:24 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 21:44:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021
 4:16:20 p.m. | Refund available
In-Reply-To: <uLCGRaf2racj4J8PRhyFUFd3AT7ZbDz2-eSl37M3gRDDRUzG5zG7kCyYfiGiZZSyJB7icFO9vzPw6QciBw0VBt_S-5fC24HmJwIgIEjl6x8=@protonmail.com>
References: <632f8ae2-4615-6526-dc2e-2b3742609688@btinternet.com>
	<1AA24BAE-F6B4-48E1-91B7-E3508598A235@me.com>
	<uLCGRaf2racj4J8PRhyFUFd3AT7ZbDz2-eSl37M3gRDDRUzG5zG7kCyYfiGiZZSyJB7icFO9vzPw6QciBw0VBt_S-5fC24HmJwIgIEjl6x8=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <ba76a16c-468a-7b07-c624-f50e33688047@btinternet.com>

You did the correct thing as all these big organisations tell us that 
they will never contact us by e-mail! More fool them! Cheers, Dave

On 17/06/2021 21:39, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> A couple of years ago I received an email which claimed to be from 
> HMRC offering help with filling in my tax return. I immediately passed 
> it on to them as a phishing email. A week or so later I got a polite 
> reply informing me that it really was genuine!
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Thursday, June 17th, 2021 at 20:41, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Apart from the sender being in Belize and that they don?t refer to 
>> you by name, do you normally receive emails from Gov.uk which end 
>> with ?kind regards??
>>
>> A while ago I received a similar email where the official looking 
>> logo was for an entirely different government department to the one 
>> the email was purporting to have been sent from.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>> On 17 Jun 2021, at 19:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Whoopee! More money coming my way, just what an OAP needs! Or not? 
>>> Note the telltale 'telnet.be' in the address! Not Belgium but 
>>> Belize, I think. Beware! Cheers, Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Return-Path: 	<xfbouz at telenet.be> <mailto:xfbouz at telenet.be>
>>> Received: 	from sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net 
>>> ([10.2.38.18]) by sa-prd-fep-035.mx.internal with ESMTP id 
>>> <20210617151622.TYYI12278.sa-prd-fep-035.mx.internal at sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> 
>>> <mailto:20210617151622.TYYI12278.sa-prd-fep-035.mx.internal at sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> 
>>> for <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>; Thu, 
>>> 17 Jun 2021 16:16:22 +0100
>>> Authentication-Results: 	btinternet.com; dmarc=pass 
>>> header.from=telenet.be; dkim=none; dkim=error; spf=none 
>>> smtp.helo=albert.telenet-ops.be; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=telenet.be; 
>>> bimi=skipped
>>> X-OWM-SPF-MAILFROM: 	Pass
>>> X-OWM-SPF: 	0
>>> Received-SPF: 	none (sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net: 
>>> domain albert.telenet-ops.be does not designate permitted sender 
>>> hosts) identity=helo; 
>>> receiver=sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net; 
>>> client-ip=195.130.137.90; helo=albert.telenet-ops.be;
>>> Received-SPF: 	pass (sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net: 
>>> domain telenet.be designates 195.130.137.90 as permitted sender) 
>>> identity=mailfrom; 
>>> receiver=sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net; 
>>> client-ip=195.130.137.90; envelope-from=xfbouz at telenet.be 
>>> <mailto:envelope-from=xfbouz at telenet.be>; helo=albert.telenet-ops.be;
>>> X-Originating-IP: 	[195.130.137.90]
>>> X-OWM-Source-IP: 	195.130.137.90 (BE)
>>> X-OWM-Env-Sender: 	xfbouz at telenet.be <mailto:xfbouz at telenet.be>
>>> X-SNCR-Rigid: 	60CA9A3D001CA05C
>>> X-OWM-DMARC: 	spf 0 dkim 7
>>> X-OWM-DKIM: 	5
>>> X-VadeSecure-score: 	verdict=clean score=20/300, class=clean
>>> X-SNCR-VADESECURE: 	CLEAN
>>> X-RazorGate-Vade: 
>>> gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrfeefuddgkeehucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuueftkffvkffujffvgffngfevqffonecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecuihhntghorhhrvggtthcuoehhthhmlhequchtrghgucdlvddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtsegrtdefvcdttddunecuhfhrohhmpedfjffoucevuhhsthhomhhsucgrnhguucftvghvvghnuhgvucdqucffihhgihhtrghluchtrgiguchrvghfuhhnugcurhiggigvlhdfuceogihfsghouhiisehtvghlvghnvghtrdgsvgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepgeetvdfgvddugfetvdfhheduhedvffegkeekgfekgeffhffhjeekfedujefhvedtnecuffhomhgrihhnpehkrggumhhivghlihhnthdrtghomhdrtghonecukfhppeduleehrddufedtrddufeejrdeltddpleegrddvvdehrddvgeefrdduledtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheprghlsggvrhhtrdhtvghlvghnvghtqdhophhsrdgsvgdpihhnvghtpeduleehrddufedtrddufeejrdeltddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeigfhgsohhuiiesthgvlhgvnhgvthdrsggvpdhrtghpthhtohepuggrvhgvrdhmughvsegsthhinhhtvghrnhgvthdrtghomh 
>>>
>>> X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: 	clean 20
>>> X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: 	clean
>>> Received: 	from albert.telenet-ops.be (195.130.137.90) by 
>>> sa-prd-rgin-010.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net (5.8.716.03) id 
>>> 60CA9A3D001CA05C for dave.mdv at btinternet.com 
>>> <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 16:16:22 +0100
>>> Received: 	from smtp.telenet.be ([94.225.243.190]) by 
>>> albert.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id JFGA2500W47Bjt206FGMSz; Thu, 
>>> 17 Jun 2021 17:16:22 +0200
>>> From: 	HM Customs and Revenue - Digital tax refund rxxel 
>>> <xfbouz at telenet.be> <mailto:xfbouz at telenet.be>
>>> To: 	dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
>>> Subject: 	Complete form | Payment issued on 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m. | 
>>> Refund available
>>> Date: 	17 Jun 2021 16:16:21 +0100
>>> Message-ID: 	<20210617161620.1EA83851B4C2E512 at telenet.be> 
>>> <mailto:20210617161620.1EA83851B4C2E512 at telenet.be>
>>> MIME-Version: 	1.0
>>> Content-Type: 	multipart/alternative; 
>>> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_7FF92047.22158C5A"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HMRC Brexit webinars
>>>
>>> *Date: 6/17/2021 4:16:20 p.m.*
>>> Dear dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
>>>
>>> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL - Please do not reply as emails received 
>>> at this address cannot be responded to.
>>>
>>> *You are eligible to claim tax refund of ?275.38*
>>>
>>> According to advance tax calculation, you are paid extra amount in 
>>> this account which can be claimed or adjusted in your next fiscal year.
>>>
>>> If you wish to claim this amount please complete the refund form.
>>>
>>> Proceed 
>>> <https://kadmielint.com.co/grocery_store-web_Free20-07-2017_336905076/web/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Things to keep in hand while claiming
>>> ? ?Personal ID to enter official name and address.
>>> ? ?Your debit card to which you want the refund to be credited.
>>> ? ?Active mobile phone to receive calls.
>>>
>>>
>>> ILXQI: 
>>> rcoxpnpulqrtveaorelhxgmvzclxyzinprxclqxksvcfzoajdidjpzcwnnkvtdhiywjazruzyg
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> *GOV.UK*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 	
>>> 	
>>>
>>> HM Revenue & Customs - GOV.UK
>>>
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From nickrodger at mac.com  Thu Jun 17 16:14:25 2021
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 22:14:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <USoQ83EJm2humGLMYQvGa0tHSHX3XkwEI0W53WMgtiYTy0CchKkLmMlqpNIf-CbPyawCl-q0ofWsULAhnUDd8eL5gtd0IUGA7RqcU-G75Zc=@protonmail.com>
References: <USoQ83EJm2humGLMYQvGa0tHSHX3XkwEI0W53WMgtiYTy0CchKkLmMlqpNIf-CbPyawCl-q0ofWsULAhnUDd8eL5gtd0IUGA7RqcU-G75Zc=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <4310ABA7-04E1-49E9-A6C9-7AB3998E0415@mac.com>

Yes, but be fair. 
Cabbage hasn?t been cabbage since Brexit. 

Nick Rodger 
Cameraman 
07971 007578 
nickrodger at mac.com  

Sent from my iPhone. 
Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 

Don?t blame me!! 
I voted Remain ??




On 17 Jun 2021, at 21:34, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
To be fair to Pat, I wasn't upset, as you may have gathered that I get an awful lot of emails from time to time, and whilst I've often previously seen quite a bit of the humour that arrives, I simply consign it to the trash. Say, how many in the trash are duplicates from Pat? Oo-er missus (Sorry Pat, that's an uncalled for response, but I would hope that all of us on this list have reached the stage where we can put up with each others foibles, and enjoy the range of views that ensue), Not forgetting lots of thanks to Bernie for putting up with it all too!

Meanwhile, here's one from my sister in Belfast which arrived today, I hope I'm in first with posting it to this list!


TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.

??????? Original Message ???????
On Thursday, June 17th, 2021 at 13:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> The story was new to me too and it made me smile as it was well written and a humorous comment on life.
> 
>  
> 
> As to what?s arisen in its wake, I know that age is said to bring an element of grumpiness and irascibility from which I?m guilty myself at times, but we need to remember to be patient with one another especially with what we put in print and try to avoid hurting people?s feelings.
> 
> When we were at work I?m sure we all suffered from occasional stinging remarks and trespassed against others ourselves with hasty and ill-considered words or actions from which we walked away not realising the effect it had on the recipient.
> 
>  
> 
> Now we?re older and should be wiser and more relaxed, let?s try to maintain the notional tea-bar friendly atmosphere in this forum - and if we have given offence, intentionally or otherwise, have the grace to admit it and apologise properly.
> 
>  
> 
> Eating humble pie may not be the food of choice but when needed, there?s nothing so tasty and satisfying if restores friendships and clears the air,
> 
>  
> 
> Here endeth today?s lesson,
> 
>  
> 
> With kind regards to all,
> 
>  
> 
> Geoff Hawkes
> 
>  
> 
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: 17 June 2021 10:42
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
> 
>  
> 
> ??Sorry,? doesn?t make your harsh put-down OK, Pat. I must remember to quote it back at you next time you re-tell one of your oft-repeated tales. It was new to me, and I daresay it amused plenty of others.
> 
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Jun 2021, at 22:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Sorry, but that?s an old one.
> 
> Pat
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
>  
> 
> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
> Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
> 
>  
> 
> That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!
> 
>  
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
>  
> 
> From: techtone via Tech1
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
> 
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> 
> Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
> 
>  
> 
> I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:
> 
>  
> 
> The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!
> The query:
> Dear Tech Support,
> Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0.
> In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.
> Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system.
> Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.
> What can I do?
> Signed: Desperate
>  
> 
> The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...
> 
>  
> Dear Desperate,
> First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system.
> Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2.
> Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.
> However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1.
> 
>  Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version.
> 
>  Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.
> 
>  In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.
> 
>  In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.
> 
>  You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.
> 
>  Good Luck
> 
>  Tech Support Team.
> 
>  TeaTeaFN - Tony
>  
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> 
>  
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Jun 17 16:49:08 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 22:49:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <4310ABA7-04E1-49E9-A6C9-7AB3998E0415@mac.com>
References: <4310ABA7-04E1-49E9-A6C9-7AB3998E0415@mac.com>
Message-ID: <37AE2AD0-F1F1-4D43-B55C-011176E7C0AC@mac.com>

I could have understood the word count if it had been for Brussels Sprouts!

Has anyone attempted to read said EU document?

Mike G

> On 17 Jun 2021, at 22:14, Nick Rodger via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Yes, but be fair. 
> Cabbage hasn?t been cabbage since Brexit. 
> 
> Nick Rodger 
> Cameraman 
> 07971 007578 
> nickrodger at mac.com  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 
> 
> Don?t blame me!! 
> I voted Remain ??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 Jun 2021, at 21:34, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> To be fair to Pat, I wasn't upset, as you may have gathered that I get an awful lot of emails from time to time, and whilst I've often previously seen quite a bit of the humour that arrives, I simply consign it to the trash. Say, how many in the trash are duplicates from Pat? Oo-er missus (Sorry Pat, that's an uncalled for response, but I would hope that all of us on this list have reached the stage where we can put up with each others foibles, and enjoy the range of views that ensue), Not forgetting lots of thanks to Bernie for putting up with it all too!
> 
> Meanwhile, here's one from my sister in Belfast which arrived today, I hope I'm in first with posting it to this list!
> <IMG-20210617-WA0000.jpg>
> 
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> 
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Thursday, June 17th, 2021 at 13:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> The story was new to me too and it made me smile as it was well written and a humorous comment on life.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As to what?s arisen in its wake, I know that age is said to bring an element of grumpiness and irascibility from which I?m guilty myself at times, but we need to remember to be patient with one another especially with what we put in print and try to avoid hurting people?s feelings.
>> 
>> When we were at work I?m sure we all suffered from occasional stinging remarks and trespassed against others ourselves with hasty and ill-considered words or actions from which we walked away not realising the effect it had on the recipient.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Now we?re older and should be wiser and more relaxed, let?s try to maintain the notional tea-bar friendly atmosphere in this forum - and if we have given offence, intentionally or otherwise, have the grace to admit it and apologise properly.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Eating humble pie may not be the food of choice but when needed, there?s nothing so tasty and satisfying if restores friendships and clears the air,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Here endeth today?s lesson,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> With kind regards to all,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Geoff Hawkes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
>> Sent: 17 June 2021 10:42
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> ??Sorry,? doesn?t make your harsh put-down OK, Pat. I must remember to quote it back at you next time you re-tell one of your oft-repeated tales. It was new to me, and I daresay it amused plenty of others.
>> 
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 22:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Sorry, but that?s an old one.
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
>> Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: techtone via Tech1
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
>> 
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> 
>> Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!
>> The query:
>> Dear Tech Support,
>> Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0.
>> In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.
>> Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system.
>> Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.
>> What can I do?
>> Signed: Desperate
>>  
>> 
>> The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...
>> 
>>  
>> Dear Desperate,
>> First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system.
>> Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2.
>> Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.
>> However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1.
>> 
>>  Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version.
>> 
>>  Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.
>> 
>>  In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.
>> 
>>  In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.
>> 
>>  You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.
>> 
>>  Good Luck
>> 
>>  Tech Support Team.
>> 
>>  TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>  
>> 
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 17 17:38:20 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 23:38:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On-line buying
Message-ID: <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809@btinternet.com>

I am getting really pi**ed off trying to buy things on line. I just 
wanted a few jars of the best Real Ale chutney (Drivers) but every 
web-site wants me to set up an account. Amazon has the cheapest price 
but then I have been told that I have started a Prime trial! No thank 
you! Fenwicks did a special offer at Christmas but now the price has 
gone up 50%. Duh! Cheers, Dave



From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 17 18:05:08 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 00:05:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On-line buying
In-Reply-To: <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809@btinternet.com>
References: <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <593e38ac5adavesound@btinternet.com>

In article <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I am getting really pi**ed off trying to buy things on line. I just 
> wanted a few jars of the best Real Ale chutney (Drivers) but every 
> web-site wants me to set up an account. Amazon has the cheapest price 
> but then I have been told that I have started a Prime trial! No thank 
> you! Fenwicks did a special offer at Christmas but now the price has 
> gone up 50%. Duh! Cheers, Dave

I'm usually happy enough to set up an account, since it should save a lot
of form filling if you decide to re-order.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jun 18 01:14:52 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:14:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <37AE2AD0-F1F1-4D43-B55C-011176E7C0AC@mac.com>
References: <37AE2AD0-F1F1-4D43-B55C-011176E7C0AC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CB9F727E-6197-4EF9-9814-72CBA679C937@icloud.com>

Does it actually exist?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Jun 2021, at 22:49, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I could have understood the word count if it had been for Brussels Sprouts!
> 
> Has anyone attempted to read said EU document?
> 
> Mike G
> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2021, at 22:14, Nick Rodger via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Yes, but be fair. 
>> Cabbage hasn?t been cabbage since Brexit. 
>> 
>> Nick Rodger 
>> Cameraman 
>> 07971 007578 
>> nickrodger at mac.com  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 
>> 
>> Don?t blame me!! 
>> I voted Remain ??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 Jun 2021, at 21:34, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> To be fair to Pat, I wasn't upset, as you may have gathered that I get an awful lot of emails from time to time, and whilst I've often previously seen quite a bit of the humour that arrives, I simply consign it to the trash. Say, how many in the trash are duplicates from Pat? Oo-er missus (Sorry Pat, that's an uncalled for response, but I would hope that all of us on this list have reached the stage where we can put up with each others foibles, and enjoy the range of views that ensue), Not forgetting lots of thanks to Bernie for putting up with it all too!
>> 
>> Meanwhile, here's one from my sister in Belfast which arrived today, I hope I'm in first with posting it to this list!
>> <IMG-20210617-WA0000.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> 
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>> 
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>> On Thursday, June 17th, 2021 at 13:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The story was new to me too and it made me smile as it was well written and a humorous comment on life.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> As to what?s arisen in its wake, I know that age is said to bring an element of grumpiness and irascibility from which I?m guilty myself at times, but we need to remember to be patient with one another especially with what we put in print and try to avoid hurting people?s feelings.
>>> 
>>> When we were at work I?m sure we all suffered from occasional stinging remarks and trespassed against others ourselves with hasty and ill-considered words or actions from which we walked away not realising the effect it had on the recipient.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Now we?re older and should be wiser and more relaxed, let?s try to maintain the notional tea-bar friendly atmosphere in this forum - and if we have given offence, intentionally or otherwise, have the grace to admit it and apologise properly.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Eating humble pie may not be the food of choice but when needed, there?s nothing so tasty and satisfying if restores friendships and clears the air,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Here endeth today?s lesson,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> With kind regards to all,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Geoff Hawkes
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
>>> Sent: 17 June 2021 10:42
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ??Sorry,? doesn?t make your harsh put-down OK, Pat. I must remember to quote it back at you next time you re-tell one of your oft-repeated tales. It was new to me, and I daresay it amused plenty of others.
>>> 
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 22:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Sorry, but that?s an old one.
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
>>> Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: techtone via Tech1
>>> 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
>>> 
>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>> 
>>> Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!
>>> The query:
>>> Dear Tech Support,
>>> Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0.
>>> In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.
>>> Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system.
>>> Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.
>>> What can I do?
>>> Signed: Desperate
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Dear Desperate,
>>> First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system.
>>> Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2.
>>> Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.
>>> However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1.
>>> 
>>>  Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version.
>>> 
>>>  Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.
>>> 
>>>  In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.
>>> 
>>>  In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.
>>> 
>>>  You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.
>>> 
>>>  Good Luck
>>> 
>>>  Tech Support Team.
>>> 
>>>  TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 18 03:53:10 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:53:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On-line buying
In-Reply-To: <593e38ac5adavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <593e38ac5adavesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1CEB90EF-B295-408C-968F-0577A7C2C6CE@me.com>

Form filling needn?t be a hassle if you use a browser which will auto-fill forms for you.  I use my iPad for a lot on online ordering and whenever it spots that I?m filling in a form, it offers the info found in my address book contact details.  It?s just a matter of doing a quick confirmation tap on each field.  Very occasionally a field is labelled in a way which confuses it, but once you type a letter or two, it works out what you?re trying to do and offers to complete.

I?ve previously mentioned how I avoid Amazon wherever possible. In addition, the way they try and trick you into joining Amazon Prime is appalling, but at least if you have signed up, you can cancel it online before they start charging.  Much of what they sell can be found cheaper elsewhere, especially on eBay. 

 In many cases eBay offers a better price, but eBay has a different pitfall in that if you want two or three identical items, you could get charged the delivery charge two or three times unless you are careful.  One thing I approve of with eBay is that many of the dealers are very small operations with people selling specialised items from home, or supplementing sales from a niche bricks and mortar store which otherwise wouldn?t be viable if it relied solely on local trade. 

If I?m building a project, I sometimes wonder if a specialised component is commercially available which could be adapted for my purposes.  The biggest problem is working out what such a thing might be called, but I?ve often come up with relatively cheap items which have saved an enormous amount of effort and look really neat too. 

Alan Taylor



> On 18 Jun 2021, at 00:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809 at btinternet.com>,
>   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I am getting really pi**ed off trying to buy things on line. I just 
>> wanted a few jars of the best Real Ale chutney (Drivers) but every 
>> web-site wants me to set up an account. Amazon has the cheapest price 
>> but then I have been told that I have started a Prime trial! No thank 
>> you! Fenwicks did a special offer at Christmas but now the price has 
>> gone up 50%. Duh! Cheers, Dave
> 
> I'm usually happy enough to set up an account, since it should save a lot
> of form filling if you decide to re-order.
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Jun 18 05:16:08 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On-line buying
In-Reply-To: <1CEB90EF-B295-408C-968F-0577A7C2C6CE@me.com>
Message-ID: <9kks4g70b9e8fma4ifr9pbnt.1624011368245@pgtmedia.co.uk>

It's all fiction!

See


https://fullfact.org/online/cabbage-myth/

It even pre dates the EU and appears to be originated in the US!



Paul Thackray
PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
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	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 18 June 2021 09:53
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: alanaudio at me.com
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On-line buying


Form filling needn?t be a hassle if you use a browser which will auto-fill forms for you.? I use my iPad for a lot on online ordering and whenever it spots that I?m filling in a form, it offers the info found in my address book contact details.? It?s just a matter of doing a quick confirmation tap on each field.? Very occasionally a field is labelled in a way which confuses it, but once you type a letter or two, it works out what you?re trying to do and offers to complete.

I?ve previously mentioned how I avoid Amazon wherever possible. In addition, the way they try and trick you into joining Amazon Prime is appalling, but at least if you have signed up, you can cancel it online before they start charging.? Much of what they sell can be found cheaper elsewhere, especially on eBay.

In many cases eBay offers a better price, but eBay has a different pitfall in that if you want two or three identical items, you could get charged the delivery charge two or three times unless you are careful.? One thing I approve of with eBay is that many of the dealers are very small operations with people selling specialised items from home, or supplementing sales from a niche bricks and mortar store which otherwise wouldn?t be viable if it relied solely on local trade.

If I?m building a project, I sometimes wonder if a specialised component is commercially available which could be adapted for my purposes.? The biggest problem is working out what such a thing might be called, but I?ve often come up with relatively cheap items which have saved an enormous amount of effort and look really neat too.

Alan Taylor



> On 18 Jun 2021, at 00:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?In article <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809 at btinternet.com>,
>?? dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I am getting really pi**ed off trying to buy things on line. I just
>> wanted a few jars of the best Real Ale chutney (Drivers) but every
>> web-site wants me to set up an account. Amazon has the cheapest price
>> but then I have been told that I have started a Prime trial! No thank
>> you! Fenwicks did a special offer at Christmas but now the price has
>> gone up 50%. Duh! Cheers, Dave
>
> I'm usually happy enough to set up an account, since it should save a lot
> of form filling if you decide to re-order.
>
> --
>??? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? London SW 12
>
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Jun 18 05:21:52 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:21:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On-line buying
In-Reply-To: <9kks4g70b9e8fma4ifr9pbnt.1624011368245@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <u9thbj9e408k4qfuc07boccq.1624011712012@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Sorry,
Responded to the wrong thread !




Paul Thackray
PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
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	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 18 June 2021 11:16
To: alanaudio at me.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On-line buying


It's all fiction!

See


https://fullfact.org/online/cabbage-myth/

It even pre dates the EU and appears to be originated in the US!



Paul Thackray
PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
+44 7802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/



? Original Message ?


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 18 June 2021 09:53
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: alanaudio at me.com
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On-line buying


Form filling needn?t be a hassle if you use a browser which will auto-fill forms for you.? I use my iPad for a lot on online ordering and whenever it spots that I?m filling in a form, it offers the info found in my address book contact details.? It?s just a matter of doing a quick confirmation tap on each field.? Very occasionally a field is labelled in a way which confuses it, but once you type a letter or two, it works out what you?re trying to do and offers to complete.

I?ve previously mentioned how I avoid Amazon wherever possible. In addition, the way they try and trick you into joining Amazon Prime is appalling, but at least if you have signed up, you can cancel it online before they start charging.? Much of what they sell can be found cheaper elsewhere, especially on eBay.

In many cases eBay offers a better price, but eBay has a different pitfall in that if you want two or three identical items, you could get charged the delivery charge two or three times unless you are careful.? One thing I approve of with eBay is that many of the dealers are very small operations with people selling specialised items from home, or supplementing sales from a niche bricks and mortar store which otherwise wouldn?t be viable if it relied solely on local trade.

If I?m building a project, I sometimes wonder if a specialised component is commercially available which could be adapted for my purposes.? The biggest problem is working out what such a thing might be called, but I?ve often come up with relatively cheap items which have saved an enormous amount of effort and look really neat too.

Alan Taylor



> On 18 Jun 2021, at 00:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?In article <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809 at btinternet.com>,
>?? dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I am getting really pi**ed off trying to buy things on line. I just
>> wanted a few jars of the best Real Ale chutney (Drivers) but every
>> web-site wants me to set up an account. Amazon has the cheapest price
>> but then I have been told that I have started a Prime trial! No thank
>> you! Fenwicks did a special offer at Christmas but now the price has
>> gone up 50%. Duh! Cheers, Dave
>
> I'm usually happy enough to set up an account, since it should save a lot
> of form filling if you decide to re-order.
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Jun 18 05:22:41 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:22:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Jun 18 05:50:27 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (david.jasma)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:50:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On-line buying
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Message-ID: <mailman.12.1624013441.16663.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>

I fully agree with Dave Plowman about companies asking you to create an account when buying online. I wanted a sack barrow and found one was suitable, but the company made me create an account even though I knew that I wouldn't be using the company again. I can count on one hand online sales that can be done through a 'guest' account.? There's also having to remember yet another password - I have a book full!It's on the same lines as a company asking for your mobile number when setting up an online account - why, and it isn't necessarily for contacting you if there's a problem, it's so that they can deluge you with text messages with offers you have no interest in!There was a comment recently about the website through which you can? order your medication online asking for a mobile number. I also use this site and? object to the request, which I am ignoring.Dave BuckleySent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 18/06/2021  00:30  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] On-line buying In article <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809 at btinternet.com>,?? dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:> I am getting really pi**ed off trying to buy things on line. I just > wanted a few jars of the best Real Ale chutney (Drivers) but every > web-site wants me to set up an account. Amazon has the cheapest price > but then I have been told that I have started a Prime trial! No thank > you! Fenwicks did a special offer at Christmas but now the price has > gone up 50%. Duh! Cheers, DaveI'm usually happy enough to set up an account, since it should save a lotof form filling if you decide to re-order.-- ??? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? London SW 12??? -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jun 18 05:54:00 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:54:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
In-Reply-To: <jookdupeaubfs42gl962mp5l.1624011761735@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <jookdupeaubfs42gl962mp5l.1624011761735@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ABD78869-562D-4EE3-BE05-23148A886EDA@icloud.com>

There is undoubtably a Soviet/Russian version as well
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 18 Jun 2021, at 11:22, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It's all fiction!
> 
> See
> 
> https://fullfact.org/online/cabbage-myth/
> 
> It even pre dates the EU and appears to be originated in the US!
> 
> 
> Paul Thackray 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 
> +44 7802 243979 
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk 
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 18 June 2021 07:15
> To: mibridge at mac.com
> Reply to: graeme.wall at icloud.com
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
> 
> Does it actually exist?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2021, at 22:49, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I could have understood the word count if it had been for Brussels Sprouts!
>> 
>> Has anyone attempted to read said EU document?
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2021, at 22:14, Nick Rodger via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Yes, but be fair. 
>>> Cabbage hasn?t been cabbage since Brexit. 
>>> 
>>> Nick Rodger 
>>> Cameraman 
>>> 07971 007578 
>>> nickrodger at mac.com  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>>> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me!! 
>>> I voted Remain ??
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 17 Jun 2021, at 21:34, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> To be fair to Pat, I wasn't upset, as you may have gathered that I get an awful lot of emails from time to time, and whilst I've often previously seen quite a bit of the humour that arrives, I simply consign it to the trash. Say, how many in the trash are duplicates from Pat? Oo-er missus (Sorry Pat, that's an uncalled for response, but I would hope that all of us on this list have reached the stage where we can put up with each others foibles, and enjoy the range of views that ensue), Not forgetting lots of thanks to Bernie for putting up with it all too!
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile, here's one from my sister in Belfast which arrived today, I hope I'm in first with posting it to this list!
>>> <IMG-20210617-WA0000.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> 
>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>> 
>>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>>         On Thursday, June 17th, 2021 at 13:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> The story was new to me too and it made me smile as it was well written and a humorous comment on life.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> As to what?s arisen in its wake, I know that age is said to bring an element of grumpiness and irascibility from which I?m guilty myself at times, but we need to remember to be patient with one another especially with what we put in print and try to avoid hurting people?s feelings.
>>>> 
>>>> When we were at work I?m sure we all suffered from occasional stinging remarks and trespassed against others ourselves with hasty and ill-considered words or actions from which we walked away not realising the effect it had on the recipient.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Now we?re older and should be wiser and more relaxed, let?s try to maintain the notional tea-bar friendly atmosphere in this forum - and if we have given offence, intentionally or otherwise, have the grace to admit it and apologise properly.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Eating humble pie may not be the food of choice but when needed, there?s nothing so tasty and satisfying if restores friendships and clears the air,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Here endeth today?s lesson,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> With kind regards to all,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Geoff Hawkes
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> From:  Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 17 June 2021 10:42
>>>> To:  tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> ??Sorry,? doesn?t make your harsh put-down OK, Pat. I must remember to quote it back at you next time you re-tell one of your oft-repeated tales. It was new to me, and I daresay it amused plenty of others. 
>>>> 
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 22:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? 
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry, but that?s an old one.
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 16 June 2021 22:03
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical support
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> That?s an absolute gem Tony, I would expect many of us will be conspiring to give it wider coverage. Wit is priceless and this is genuine wit. Great stuff!
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> From: techtone via Tech1 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:07 PM
>>>> 
>>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Technical support
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> I receive many emails from various friends around the world, with humorous content, which I pass on to my U3A friends. This one is my favourite for this year:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> The young woman who submitted the tech support message below (about her relationship to her husband) presumably did it as a joke. Then she got a reply that was way too good to keep to herself. The tech support people's love advice was hilarious and genius!
>>>> The query:
>>>> Dear Tech Support,
>>>> Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and jewelry applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. 
>>>> In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as: NBA 5.0, NFL 3.0 and Golf Clubs 4.1.
>>>> Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and House cleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. 
>>>> Please note that I have tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail.
>>>> What can I do?
>>>> Signed: Desperate
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> The response (that came weeks later out of the blue)...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Dear Desperate,
>>>> First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. 
>>>> Please enter command: I thought you loved me.html and try to download Tears 6.2.
>>>> Do not forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewelry 2.0 and Flowers 3.5.
>>>> However, remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1. 
>>>> 
>>>>  Please note that Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download Snoring Loudly Beta version.
>>>> 
>>>>  Whatever you do, DO NOT, under any circumstances, install Mother-In-Law 1.0 as it runs a virus in the background that will eventually seize control of all your system resources.
>>>> 
>>>>  In addition, please do not attempt to re-install the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0.
>>>> 
>>>>  In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly.
>>>> 
>>>>  You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Cooking 3.0.
>>>> 
>>>>  Good Luck
>>>> 
>>>>  Tech Support Team.
>>>> 
>>>>  TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>  
>>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>>> 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 18 12:18:09 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 18:18:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On-line buying
In-Reply-To: <9kks4g70b9e8fma4ifr9pbnt.1624011368245@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <9kks4g70b9e8fma4ifr9pbnt.1624011368245@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <415B2C3E-A48C-4C2E-ACEA-C3A63F70336A@btinternet.com>

Try eu-lex.europa.eu
31987R 1591-EN-EUR-Lex
  Roger

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jun 2021, at 11:16, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?It's all fiction!
> 
> See
> 
> 
> https://fullfact.org/online/cabbage-myth/
> 
> It even pre dates the EU and appears to be originated in the US!
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Thackray
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> +44 7802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> 
> 
>      Original Message      
> 
> 
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 18 June 2021 09:53
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: alanaudio at me.com
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On-line buying
> 
> 
> Form filling needn?t be a hassle if you use a browser which will auto-fill forms for you.  I use my iPad for a lot on online ordering and whenever it spots that I?m filling in a form, it offers the info found in my address book contact details.  It?s just a matter of doing a quick confirmation tap on each field.  Very occasionally a field is labelled in a way which confuses it, but once you type a letter or two, it works out what you?re trying to do and offers to complete.
> 
> I?ve previously mentioned how I avoid Amazon wherever possible. In addition, the way they try and trick you into joining Amazon Prime is appalling, but at least if you have signed up, you can cancel it online before they start charging.  Much of what they sell can be found cheaper elsewhere, especially on eBay.
> 
> In many cases eBay offers a better price, but eBay has a different pitfall in that if you want two or three identical items, you could get charged the delivery charge two or three times unless you are careful.  One thing I approve of with eBay is that many of the dealers are very small operations with people selling specialised items from home, or supplementing sales from a niche bricks and mortar store which otherwise wouldn?t be viable if it relied solely on local trade.
> 
> If I?m building a project, I sometimes wonder if a specialised component is commercially available which could be adapted for my purposes.  The biggest problem is working out what such a thing might be called, but I?ve often come up with relatively cheap items which have saved an enormous amount of effort and look really neat too.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 18 Jun 2021, at 00:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?In article <7df94222-4d42-d32c-6c04-c503968d5809 at btinternet.com>,
>>>    dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I am getting really pi**ed off trying to buy things on line. I just
>>> wanted a few jars of the best Real Ale chutney (Drivers) but every
>>> web-site wants me to set up an account. Amazon has the cheapest price
>>> but then I have been told that I have started a Prime trial! No thank
>>> you! Fenwicks did a special offer at Christmas but now the price has
>>> gone up 50%. Duh! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> I'm usually happy enough to set up an account, since it should save a lot
>> of form filling if you decide to re-order.
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 19 11:07:18 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:07:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weekend moan
Message-ID: <60ce1636.1c69fb81.92caa.ab3e@mx.google.com>

Time for a weekend rant!
Come on, folks, reply with a shoot-down!
1. To Nick, who doesn?t approve of my repeated stories. Well we worked in TV and there?s an awful lot of repeats, today! Let?s hear some of your stories ? there must be some?
2. Game show hosts who cannot pronounce words properly. On ?Catchphrase?, there?s one guy who says ?Pownd? for ?pound?, Any sound man out there who picked up artistes for this sort of mis-pronunciation and brought it to the attention of the director? And didn?t get fired?
3. What?s the most hated words in commercial TV: ?After the break!?
4. Tony Hill, one time DG of BBC, promised to prevent end credits being shrinked, but they are run so fast now, that they become unreadable, and those of us in the business like to see them, but they are of no use to the general viewing public. Sadly, this is prevalent on all channels, even on those that run repeated BBC programmes.
5. The practice of ?continuity? announcers crashing in on end credit music ? trying to prevent viewers from switching away to other channels. But there is no proper Presentation anymore. RT letters pages often carry comments about this, but the powers that be pay no attention.
6. Whose turn to buy the teas?
?nuff said, but don?t hold back!
Pat ( stirring)


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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Sat Jun 19 11:52:20 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:52:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Who is Tony Hill
Message-ID: <6DB094F7-75D4-470F-BB4A-2CD615E1A781@vincent68.plus.com>

?


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 19 11:58:08 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:58:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Who is Tony Hill
In-Reply-To: <6DB094F7-75D4-470F-BB4A-2CD615E1A781@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <6DB094F7-75D4-470F-BB4A-2CD615E1A781@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <60ce2220.1c69fb81.897cb.94b8@mx.google.com>

Typo ? Tony Hall?
Pat

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From: crew13 via Tech1
Sent: 19 June 2021 17:52
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Who is Tony Hill

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 14:33:59 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 20:33:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Somewhat scary map
Message-ID: <1becd162-b756-8c58-fe0c-e71d7e289965@gmail.com>

https://platform.leolabs.space/visualizations/leo

Slowing it down to 1:1 top left is sensible

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jun 19 14:45:54 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 20:45:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weekend moan
In-Reply-To: <60ce1636.1c69fb81.92caa.ab3e@mx.google.com>
References: <60ce1636.1c69fb81.92caa.ab3e@mx.google.com>
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Don?t know about the rest of you points but I reckon it is definitely your turn to get the teas in!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Jun 2021, at 17:07, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Time for a weekend rant!
> Come on, folks, reply with a shoot-down!
> To Nick, who doesn?t approve of my repeated stories. Well we worked in TV and there?s an awful lot of repeats, today! Let?s hear some of your stories ? there must be some?
> Game show hosts who cannot pronounce words properly. On ?Catchphrase?, there?s one guy who says ?Pownd? for ?pound?, Any sound man out there who picked up artistes for this sort of mis-pronunciation and brought it to the attention of the director? And didn?t get fired?
> What?s the most hated words in commercial TV: ?After the break!?
> Tony Hill, one time DG of BBC, promised to prevent end credits being shrinked, but they are run so fast now, that they become unreadable, and those of us in the business like to see them, but they are of no use to the general viewing public. Sadly, this is prevalent on all channels, even on those that run repeated BBC programmes.
> The practice of ?continuity? announcers crashing in on end credit music ? trying to prevent viewers from switching away to other channels. But there is no proper Presentation anymore. RT letters pages often carry comments about this, but the powers that be pay no attention.
> Whose turn to buy the teas?
> ?nuff said, but don?t hold back!
> Pat ( stirring)
>  
>  
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 20 12:31:44 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 18:31:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weekend moan
In-Reply-To: <BD38FAF5-75B3-4994-BEB5-74EDF2262F52@icloud.com>
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Certainly ? I can provide Yorkshire Tea ? good and strong, but the chimps won?t let go of their PG Tips!
Or Earl Grey, anyone?

Pat

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From: Graeme Wall
Sent: 19 June 2021 20:45
To: patheigham
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weekend moan

Don?t know about the rest of you points but I reckon it is definitely your turn to get the teas in!
1. Whose turn to buy the teas?
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 21 07:27:13 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 13:27:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
Message-ID: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>

I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
church hall.

My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.

Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.

The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
spent the cash myself.

But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
pay it in.  

We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.

I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap. 

Anyone got practical experience and can help?

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Jun 21 08:08:59 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:08:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics
Message-ID: <1EC816CC-7580-4B1A-8BBB-1B29F344CB1F@vincent68.plus.com>

Having a tidy up I came across this limerick I was going to post during the last thread on putting radio mics on artists. Things were getting a bit heated so I didn?t want to fan the flames! It is based on a true incident. I won?t mention his name to spare his blushes. I?m sure he wouldn?t mind. He was a lovely chap then and I expect still is.


A sound trainee feel for a hoax 
From a crew that liked practical jokes
They said don?t make a racket
When you mic Hinge and Bracket
Cos he didn?t know they were blokes


John V

From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 09:14:49 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:14:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <005a01d766a7$cbccb0c0$63661240$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Hi Dave,
I have experience of these, but not for a few years. My experience was with
'i-Zettel' (Now  known as Zettel and owned by PayPals) I used (several) for
a charity, to collect donations at events.
You need 
	a card reader (Typically priced at ?60 one off, but usually
available at an (always available) discounted price ?20-30)
	A Smart phone 
	An App (Normally FoC)
	A reasonable Data connection (Either venue wifi or Data on your
smart phone)
No on going charges , but up to about 2% of sales are deducted to cover
costs. You can send receipts by email or SMS. You can have a printer for
receipts , but this is a world of pain! Money ends up in your account in
about 3 days.

Provided you have a smart phone , with a reasonable amount of data and you
are in a reception area (Or have venue wifi) it works very well in my
experience.

 If you are in a basement with no wifi, it can be a problem. Worth checking
in person with your own smart phone / network combination as coverage maps
can lie!

Since I did this 'Sumup' have arrived offering a similar (Slightly cheaper
?20 up front and slightly lower charge) product and are getting good
reviews. (They also have a ?100 terminal , which has its own sim card and so
does not require a smart phone, but you are probably better with the Reader
/ smart phone option.)

This is an online comparison of the 2 systems

https://www.mobiletransaction.org/izettle-vs-sumup/

I hope this helps

Paul Thackray
PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
07802 243979
Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk 
Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via
Tech1
Sent: 21 June 2021 13:27
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.

I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
church hall.

My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.

Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.

The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
spent the cash myself.

But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
pay it in.  

We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in a
fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.

I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap. 

Anyone got practical experience and can help?

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 21 09:39:35 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:39:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <005a01d766a7$cbccb0c0$63661240$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <005a01d766a7$cbccb0c0$63661240$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FA3AA3A7-52E6-44B4-8B98-EC99B30DDDCC@me.com>

Another option would be to do without card readers altogether and ask people to pay by BACS.  You can open a dedicated account to be used for the society and give the details for people to pay in.  If anybody still needs to pay in cash, the amounts would presumably be small and could be kept in a jam jar for a week or two until you?re next going near the bank.

The bank statement would pretty well act as a record book showing who had paid how much and when.  You would only need to keep manual records of cash payments.

Alan Taylor



> On 21 Jun 2021, at 15:15, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Dave,
> I have experience of these, but not for a few years. My experience was with
> 'i-Zettel' (Now  known as Zettel and owned by PayPals) I used (several) for
> a charity, to collect donations at events.
> You need 
>  a card reader (Typically priced at ?60 one off, but usually
> available at an (always available) discounted price ?20-30)
>  A Smart phone 
>  An App (Normally FoC)
>  A reasonable Data connection (Either venue wifi or Data on your
> smart phone)
> No on going charges , but up to about 2% of sales are deducted to cover
> costs. You can send receipts by email or SMS. You can have a printer for
> receipts , but this is a world of pain! Money ends up in your account in
> about 3 days.
> 
> Provided you have a smart phone , with a reasonable amount of data and you
> are in a reception area (Or have venue wifi) it works very well in my
> experience.
> 
> If you are in a basement with no wifi, it can be a problem. Worth checking
> in person with your own smart phone / network combination as coverage maps
> can lie!
> 
> Since I did this 'Sumup' have arrived offering a similar (Slightly cheaper
> ?20 up front and slightly lower charge) product and are getting good
> reviews. (They also have a ?100 terminal , which has its own sim card and so
> does not require a smart phone, but you are probably better with the Reader
> / smart phone option.)
> 
> This is an online comparison of the 2 systems
> 
> https://www.mobiletransaction.org/izettle-vs-sumup/
> 
> I hope this helps
> 
> Paul Thackray
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 07802 243979
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via
> Tech1
> Sent: 21 June 2021 13:27
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
> 
> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
> church hall.
> 
> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
> 
> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
> 
> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
> spent the cash myself.
> 
> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
> pay it in.  
> 
> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in a
> fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
> 
> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap. 
> 
> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
> 
> -- 
>  Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 09:59:07 2021
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:59:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <6e2ff366-538b-adc0-63d1-bb08599314f8@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Dave,

I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it.

https://sumup.co.uk/

The reader is on offer from Amazon for ?13.99, there's no monthly fee 
just a 1.69% transaction fee.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM

So it wouldn't cost too much to try.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
> church hall.
> 
> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
> 
> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
> 
> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
> spent the cash myself.
> 
> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
> pay it in.
> 
> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
> 
> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
> 
> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
> 


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 10:21:45 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:21:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <FA3AA3A7-52E6-44B4-8B98-EC99B30DDDCC@me.com>
References: <005a01d766a7$cbccb0c0$63661240$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<FA3AA3A7-52E6-44B4-8B98-EC99B30DDDCC@me.com>
Message-ID: <f6e347c3-8bed-ba87-6fa2-ba67372ec32d@chriswoolf.co.uk>

There are many people who are still nervous at using on-line payments 
through a bank, in which BACs doesn't work.

But I have several friends running tiny businesses - a hair dresser, a 
coffee roaster, a seller of pashminas etc - using i-zettel and they find 
it works very well. None print a receipt on the spot and nobody seems to 
mind. And since it works on credit and debit cards they rarely meet 
someone who won't pay that way.

Chris Woolf


On 21/06/2021 15:39, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Another option would be to do without card readers altogether and ask people to pay by BACS.  You can open a dedicated account to be used for the society and give the details for people to pay in.  If anybody still needs to pay in cash, the amounts would presumably be small and could be kept in a jam jar for a week or two until you?re next going near the bank.
>
> The bank statement would pretty well act as a record book showing who had paid how much and when.  You would only need to keep manual records of cash payments.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>> On 21 Jun 2021, at 15:15, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi Dave,
>> I have experience of these, but not for a few years. My experience was with
>> 'i-Zettel' (Now  known as Zettel and owned by PayPals) I used (several) for
>> a charity, to collect donations at events.
>> You need
>>   a card reader (Typically priced at ?60 one off, but usually
>> available at an (always available) discounted price ?20-30)
>>   A Smart phone
>>   An App (Normally FoC)
>>   A reasonable Data connection (Either venue wifi or Data on your
>> smart phone)
>> No on going charges , but up to about 2% of sales are deducted to cover
>> costs. You can send receipts by email or SMS. You can have a printer for
>> receipts , but this is a world of pain! Money ends up in your account in
>> about 3 days.
>>
>> Provided you have a smart phone , with a reasonable amount of data and you
>> are in a reception area (Or have venue wifi) it works very well in my
>> experience.
>>
>> If you are in a basement with no wifi, it can be a problem. Worth checking
>> in person with your own smart phone / network combination as coverage maps
>> can lie!
>>
>> Since I did this 'Sumup' have arrived offering a similar (Slightly cheaper
>> ?20 up front and slightly lower charge) product and are getting good
>> reviews. (They also have a ?100 terminal , which has its own sim card and so
>> does not require a smart phone, but you are probably better with the Reader
>> / smart phone option.)
>>
>> This is an online comparison of the 2 systems
>>
>> https://www.mobiletransaction.org/izettle-vs-sumup/
>>
>> I hope this helps
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> 07802 243979
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via
>> Tech1
>> Sent: 21 June 2021 13:27
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
>>
>> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
>> church hall.
>>
>> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
>> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
>>
>> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
>>
>> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
>> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
>> spent the cash myself.
>>
>> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
>> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
>> pay it in.
>>
>> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in a
>> fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
>>
>> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
>>
>> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
>>
>> -- 
>>   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 21 10:09:27 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:09:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <FA3AA3A7-52E6-44B4-8B98-EC99B30DDDCC@me.com>
References: <FA3AA3A7-52E6-44B4-8B98-EC99B30DDDCC@me.com>
Message-ID: <59401c7764davesound@btinternet.com>

Thanks chaps. I fancy a way as easy as paying for a coffee in a shop by
card or phone. Over the past year or so many will have got used to this
for small amounts.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 21 10:29:55 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:29:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <59401c7764davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <59401c7764davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <FCF5FB31-341E-4754-83A3-28B046BC772A@me.com>

Is there a way to do this with QR codes on a smart phone in the UK?  When I was in China, people were paying for almost everything ( parking, coffee, newspapers etc ) by scanning QR codes.  By not having a Chinese bank account, visitors are pretty well locked out of paying for small items. 

Alan Taylor



> On 21 Jun 2021, at 16:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks chaps. I fancy a way as easy as paying for a coffee in a shop by
> card or phone. Over the past year or so many will have got used to this
> for small amounts.
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Mon Jun 21 10:41:33 2021
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:41:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <634744bd-f7fa-cd28-8977-2b0409d51aef@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Dave,

I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it.

https://sumup.co.uk/

The reader is on offer Sumup for ?19.99 + VAT or from Amazon for ?13.99 
inc VAT (if you have a Prime account), there's no monthly fee just a 
1.69% transaction fee.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM

So it wouldn't cost too much to try.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
> church hall.
> 
> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
> 
> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
> 
> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
> spent the cash myself.
> 
> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
> pay it in.
> 
> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
> 
> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
> 
> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
> 


From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 05:27:46 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:27:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJkTy96qEhafW+Satd8jDzGj2L6g6v-anAC+OXt6uo+8vQ@mail.gmail.com>

For some members of this list, I have recommended the use of a VPN to
access online BBC programmes from overseas. Alas, this now appears to be
impossible. I'm in the UK, and use a VPN for various reasons. It was set to
United Kingdom, but I found I could not access BBC programmes on BBC
iPlayer. It turns out that the BBC will no longer allow anyone using a VPN
to access programmes. So I had to switch off my VPN in order to gain access.
KW
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 05:38:06 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:38:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJkTy96qEhafW+Satd8jDzGj2L6g6v-anAC+OXt6uo+8vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA=qGJkTy96qEhafW+Satd8jDzGj2L6g6v-anAC+OXt6uo+8vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101d76752$b072ed20$1158c760$@gmail.com>

Try these recommendations:

https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/bbc-iplayer-not-working-with-a-vpn/

 

Dave D

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1
Sent: 22 June 2021 11:28
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs

 

For some members of this list, I have recommended the use of a VPN to access online BBC programmes from overseas. Alas, this now appears to be impossible. I'm in the UK, and use a VPN for various reasons. It was set to United Kingdom, but I found I could not access BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer. It turns out that the BBC will no longer allow anyone using a VPN to access programmes. So I had to switch off my VPN in order to gain access.

KW

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun 22 06:08:39 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:08:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJkTy96qEhafW+Satd8jDzGj2L6g6v-anAC+OXt6uo+8vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA=qGJkTy96qEhafW+Satd8jDzGj2L6g6v-anAC+OXt6uo+8vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60d1c4b8.1c69fb81.3854e.cf57@mx.google.com>

Possibly, because the VPN ?pretends? that your computer is somewhere else, maybe ex-UK, that prevents reception of BBC i-Player. This due to country distribution restrictions.
Having enjoyed ?42nd Street? at the theatre, I eagerly awaited viewing the filmed version streamed from BroadwayHD.
Paid a month?s subscription, only to be told that it was unavailable outside USA/Canada/Mexico.
Tried ?moving? the VPN to Chicago, then Boston, but got rejected again, as they spotted that the credit card was issued in the UK!
However, YouTube streamed it over two nights, and the splendid Foley downloaded it and gave me both a BluRay and DVD versions.
Dave Denness ? thank you for the link, surely a useful ?work around?. I use a VPN from Avast, which does not get past i-Player.
Pat

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From: Keith Wicks via Tech1
Sent: 22 June 2021 11:28
To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs

For some members of this list, I have recommended the use of a VPN to access online BBC programmes from overseas. Alas, this now appears to be impossible. I'm in the UK, and use a VPN for various reasons. It was set to United Kingdom, but I found I could not access BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer. It turns out that the BBC will no longer allow anyone using a VPN to access programmes. So I had to switch off my VPN in order to gain access.
KW




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun 22 06:27:07 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:27:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <60d1c90b.1c69fb81.eedd6.bf0c@mx.google.com>

As my village has no banks, now, I find that I can pay in a cheque via the Post Office, which keeps paying in envelopes for the major banks, but one needs a book of paying in slips carrying your account details. Don?t know if one can put cash coin in, but notes probably OK. Perhaps the PO would give you notes for coin?
Surely there are some shops where you can pay in cash, what about filling stations for the car? Or a window cleaning service, or a delivered take-away, that you pay for on receipt?

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 21 June 2021 13:27
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.

I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
church hall.

My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.

Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.

The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
spent the cash myself.

But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
pay it in.  

We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.

I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap. 

Anyone got practical experience and can help?

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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Tue Jun 22 07:36:09 2021
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:36:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJkTy96qEhafW+Satd8jDzGj2L6g6v-anAC+OXt6uo+8vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA=qGJkTy96qEhafW+Satd8jDzGj2L6g6v-anAC+OXt6uo+8vQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Jun 22 07:51:19 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:51:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
In-Reply-To: <452552733.512242.1624365369735@email.ionos.co.uk>
References: <452552733.512242.1624365369735@email.ionos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <83886FB6-2E34-4689-8CD8-05EBBB4ECCE9@mac.com>

I?ve found that using VPN can make web searches run very slowly, or, in some cases,  not at all. It also played havoc with Zoom calls on a couple of occasions. 

Mike G

> On 22 Jun 2021, at 13:36, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Keith,
> 
> I'm in Dubai with my trusty Express VPN connected to East London. I haven't actually used iPlayer for a while.
> 
> Opened it and it asked me to download the latest software. I did and tried to download a show. It failed a few times as it used to but this time no luck. Got the message:
> 
> <2021-06-22 16.26.16-2.jpg>
> 
> 
> Whatever a DRM Licence is I don't believe I've seen that message before. I was, however able to stream a little of a show, so I guess that part still works via the website.
> 
> Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
> 
> Ironically, I'm paying the Licence Fee back home!
>  
> With best wishes,
>  
> Nick WAY
>> On 22/06/2021 11:27 Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> For some members of this list, I have recommended the use of a VPN to access online BBC programmes from overseas. Alas, this now appears to be impossible. I'm in the UK, and use a VPN for various reasons. It was set to United Kingdom, but I found I could not access BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer. It turns out that the BBC will no longer allow anyone using a VPN to access programmes. So I had to switch off my VPN in order to gain access.
>> KW
>> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 22 07:54:53 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:54:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <60d1c90b.1c69fb81.eedd6.bf0c@mx.google.com>
References: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
	<60d1c90b.1c69fb81.eedd6.bf0c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <594093fb01davesound@btinternet.com>

Can't remember when last I used a PO, Pat. A sub one, that was convenient
for me, closed down. Others not so easy to get to - and usually have a
queue.

I send parcels by Hermes. Do everything online and print out the label
here. They have a locker at the local rail station where it is very easy
to drop things off. Can always park there easily for the time needed for
that, and the locker available 24/7.

I always fill the car up. I'd not be happy holding others up while I paid
over ?70 in small change. ;-)   


In article <60d1c90b.1c69fb81.eedd6.bf0c at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> As my village has no banks, now, I find that I can pay in a cheque via the Post Office, which keeps paying in envelopes for the major banks, but one needs a book of paying in slips carrying your account details. Don?t know if one can put cash coin in, but notes probably OK. Perhaps the PO would give you notes for coin?
> Surely there are some shops where you can pay in cash, what about filling stations for the car? Or a window cleaning service, or a delivered take-away, that you pay for on receipt?

> Pat

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: 21 June 2021 13:27
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.

> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
> church hall.

> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.

> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.

> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
> spent the cash myself.

> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
> pay it in.  

> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.

> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap. 

> Anyone got practical experience and can help?

> -- 
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>     

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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Jun 22 08:02:29 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:02:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <60d1c90b.1c69fb81.eedd6.bf0c@mx.google.com>
References: <60d1c90b.1c69fb81.eedd6.bf0c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00E26FE3-C46B-481A-AA4C-C07C31EF360F@mac.com>

I still have many notes in my wallet that I withdrew before the initial lockdown!

The Coop bank has allowed cheques to be deposited via the Post Office for many years, using dedicated envelopes, but you can?t include cash, neither notes nor change. I?m sure if you include a hand-written note with account details that would do instead of a specific paying-in slip. I always put my account number and sort code on the back of the cheque as well, as an extra security measure against it being paid into the wrong account -not that I get many cheques nowadays. But I do have one to pay in in the near future, by way of compensation from UK Power Networks for a power cut that affected our near neighbours!

Mike G

> On 22 Jun 2021, at 12:27, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As my village has no banks, now, I find that I can pay in a cheque via the Post Office, which keeps paying in envelopes for the major banks, but one needs a book of paying in slips carrying your account details. Don?t know if one can put cash coin in, but notes probably OK. Perhaps the PO would give you notes for coin?
> Surely there are some shops where you can pay in cash, what about filling stations for the car? Or a window cleaning service, or a delivered take-away, that you pay for on receipt?
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: 21 June 2021 13:27
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
>  
> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
> church hall.
>  
> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
>  
> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
>  
> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
> spent the cash myself.
>  
> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
> pay it in. 
>  
> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
>  
> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
>  
> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
>  
> --
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>    
>  
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Tue Jun 22 08:05:42 2021
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:05:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <a529a37b-1ec8-0aef-80e8-97b605b87287@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Dave,

I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it.

https://sumup.co.uk/

The reader is on offer from Amazon for ?13.99, there's no monthly fee 
just a 1.69% transaction fee.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM

So it wouldn't cost too much to try.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
> church hall.
> 
> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
> 
> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
> 
> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
> spent the cash myself.
> 
> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
> pay it in.
> 
> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
> 
> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
> 
> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
> 


From peter.neill at icloud.com  Tue Jun 22 08:12:31 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:12:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <00E26FE3-C46B-481A-AA4C-C07C31EF360F@mac.com>
References: <00E26FE3-C46B-481A-AA4C-C07C31EF360F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8FE72B9B-3F31-463D-811C-002078B1A5C1@icloud.com>

We?re with NatWest who have been gradually closing branches near to us. I find I rarely need to withdraw or pay in cash these days. About ?50 per month from the ATM at the supermarket seems more than enough. My wife, however, still gets the odd cheque for services rendered and they would hang around for some time before she got around to paying them in. NatWest have just announced that we can pay cheques in via the mobile app so that may be the answer for us. 

Peter Neill 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 22 Jun 2021, at 14:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I still have many notes in my wallet that I withdrew before the initial lockdown!
> 
> The Coop bank has allowed cheques to be deposited via the Post Office for many years, using dedicated envelopes, but you can?t include cash, neither notes nor change. I?m sure if you include a hand-written note with account details that would do instead of a specific paying-in slip. I always put my account number and sort code on the back of the cheque as well, as an extra security measure against it being paid into the wrong account -not that I get many cheques nowadays. But I do have one to pay in in the near future, by way of compensation from UK Power Networks for a power cut that affected our near neighbours!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>>> On 22 Jun 2021, at 12:27, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> As my village has no banks, now, I find that I can pay in a cheque via the Post Office, which keeps paying in envelopes for the major banks, but one needs a book of paying in slips carrying your account details. Don?t know if one can put cash coin in, but notes probably OK. Perhaps the PO would give you notes for coin?
>> Surely there are some shops where you can pay in cash, what about filling stations for the car? Or a window cleaning service, or a delivered take-away, that you pay for on receipt?
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>  
>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
>> Sent: 21 June 2021 13:27
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
>>  
>> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
>> church hall.
>>  
>> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
>> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
>>  
>> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
>>  
>> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
>> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
>> spent the cash myself.
>>  
>> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
>> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
>> pay it in. 
>>  
>> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
>> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
>>  
>> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
>>  
>> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
>>  
>> --
>>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>    
>>  
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jun 22 08:27:10 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:27:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <a529a37b-1ec8-0aef-80e8-97b605b87287@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <b0af7qvn7go8vhtoiplh0hnm.1624368430852@pgtmedia.co.uk>

It's only this price if you are a prime member. If not it's cheaper direct from sumup at ?19. (No one ever pays the rep of ?29! )

Not very much either way!




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	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 22 June 2021 14:07
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.


Dear Dave,

I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it.

https://sumup.co.uk/

The reader is on offer from Amazon for ?13.99, there's no monthly fee
just a 1.69% transaction fee.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM

So it wouldn't cost too much to try.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
> church hall.
>
> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
>
> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
>
> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
> spent the cash myself.
>
> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
> pay it in.
>
> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
>
> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
>
> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
>

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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Tue Jun 22 11:45:39 2021
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:45:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <a529a37b-1ec8-0aef-80e8-97b605b87287@armoor.co.uk>
References: <59400d9d16davesound@btinternet.com>
	<a529a37b-1ec8-0aef-80e8-97b605b87287@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AEE89CC4-4095-4059-82A8-58EABBCBDB2E@icloud.com>

Interestingly when you add it to your basket (I?m a Prime member) it comes up as ?3.99 - got to be worth trying at that price!!
I can now ask clients to pay straight away!!!!

Thanks Ian and hope you?re well

Graham Maunder


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> On 22 Jun 2021, at 14:05, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear Dave,
> 
> I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it.
> 
> https://sumup.co.uk/
> 
> The reader is on offer from Amazon for ?13.99, there's no monthly fee just a 1.69% transaction fee.
> 
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM
> 
> So it wouldn't cost too much to try.
> 
> 
> Stay safe
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
> 
> On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
>> church hall.
>> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
>> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
>> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
>> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
>> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
>> spent the cash myself.
>> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
>> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
>> pay it in.
>> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
>> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
>> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
>> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Jun 22 12:21:41 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:21:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Plenty of Radio MIc channels in Iran
Message-ID: <DD36DD23DC89495AADC89D80A7D9C2CE@Gigabyte>

>From the paper today. There certainly seem to be lots of channels available in Tehran for the new President?s speech.
Or I wonder if all the news sources just receive the one that works?



Mike
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 22 12:23:17 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:23:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
In-Reply-To: <AEE89CC4-4095-4059-82A8-58EABBCBDB2E@icloud.com>
References: <AEE89CC4-4095-4059-82A8-58EABBCBDB2E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <8EE39ABB-A5F2-4284-B49D-99251C05E461@me.com>

When freelancing there are a few clients who try to delay paying for as long as possible.  I did a single camera show for one client who asked that I brought my invoice along to the shoot. When we wrapped, I gave the producer my invoice and he opened up a briefcase full of money and paid me in cash.

The camera assistant hadn?t brought an invoice, but they paid him anyway and told him to post the invoice.  He jokingly asked what would happen if he just took the cash and didn?t send the paperwork.  The producer said that if you wish to never again work for a company who pays cash on wrap, the easiest way to ensure it would be to not send the paperwork when requested.

The reason they paid in cash was that the production company?s admin people had a terrible reputation for not paying in a timely fashion and freelancers were refusing to work for them.  The producer decided to take out a cash advance for each show and pay the crews on the spot. Once he started doing that, he had no trouble getting the crews he wanted.

Dave D and some other freelancers might know the story of an otherwise lovely unit manager who was adept at finding excuses to delay giving people their per diem payments ( daily allowance for meals - paid in cash ). He always handed it over eventually, but maybe not as soon as we might have liked.  Then one day, he delayed the payments and somebody stole his briefcase full of money, which should have been mostly empty by then if he had paid the PDs promptly.

Alan Taylor


> On 22 Jun 2021, at 17:52, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Interestingly when you add it to your basket (I?m a Prime member) it comes up as ?3.99 - got to be worth trying at that price!!
> I can now ask clients to pay straight away!!!!
> 
> Thanks Ian and hope you?re well
> 
> Graham Maunder
> 
> 
> <anvc-logo-mail-small.jpg>
> Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA
>             Tel: 07000 345678   Mobile: 07831 515678   Visit Us: www.anvc.tv
> 
>> On 22 Jun 2021, at 14:05, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Dave,
>> 
>> I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it.
>> 
>> https://sumup.co.uk/
>> 
>> The reader is on offer from Amazon for ?13.99, there's no monthly fee just a 1.69% transaction fee.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM
>> 
>> So it wouldn't cost too much to try.
>> 
>> 
>> Stay safe
>> 
>> Ian Norman
>> 
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>> 
>>> On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a
>>> church hall.
>>> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those
>>> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs.
>>> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again.
>>> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit
>>> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then
>>> spent the cash myself.
>>> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever
>>> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to
>>> pay it in.
>>> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in
>>> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change.
>>> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap.
>>> Anyone got practical experience and can help?
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 22 12:46:59 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:46:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Plenty of Radio MIc channels in Iran
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I was amused by that picture too.  There are other pics from a higher angle showing more detail of the microphone array.  Presumably they like the look of fifty TV channels all putting mic flags in shot.  It reminds me of those pictures we used to see of Soviet officials sat at a desk with eight telephones. 

Obviously they have never hard of distribution systems for all the crews to plug into in order to get a feed. Alternatively they could have set up one Tx and each crew tune into that frequency with their own receiver.

Apologies tor re-telling the story, but on a press conference in France, I wanted a feed from the podium and was directed to one of several small wooden boxes which I could pop a microphone into.  Each was fan shaped with a loudspeaker at the narrow end and about twelve radiating foam lined grooves to hold stick mics pointing at the speaker.   Once loaded up, the lid was clipped shut.

The guy overseeing it could see that I was amused by it, but he did a shrug of his a Gallic shoulders and said that it?s simple and reliable.  You can hear the loudspeaker working during the test and when you pop your mic in the box, you know that you?ll be getting a mic level feed without earth loops or needing special adaptors.   It?s hard to argue with that sort of logic, nor is there any need to argue either, because it worked perfectly. 

Alan Taylor

> On 22 Jun 2021, at 18:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> From the paper today. There certainly seem to be lots of channels available in Tehran for the new President?s speech.
> Or I wonder if all the news sources just receive the one that works?
>  
> <Iran%20radio%20mics[1].jpg>
>  
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Wed Jun 23 04:22:32 2021
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:22:32 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Jun 23 04:32:31 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:32:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
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From relong at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 23 04:56:20 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:56:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
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I worked on a Book Programme  ,the life of Rev Audrey (Thomas the tank engine etc)
The director turned up in the back of his parents car , he was 40 ish.
The cam assistant took a look and said difficult payer. , she was right .
4 months of agro. 
I got paid a couple of times in cash or travelers cheques , it always seemed a bit grubby.
6 months was the longest default , from an ex beeb editor , I went and sat in his office ostentatiously.
Tedious business.
Roger

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jun 2021, at 10:33, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> One of the external productions at TVC was not responding to its bills. It was looking like a big bad debt. After much chasing , we had a visit from the main man at the company. Arrived at TVC with a brief case. Full amount (just below ?30k) 
> We just had to back it!
> 
> Paul Thackray 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 
> +44 7802 243979 
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk 
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 23 June 2021 10:22
> To: alanaudio at me.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: nick at nickway.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
> 
> Great story Alan.
> 
> I worked for a channel a very long time back in Hayes. The freelance cameramen were queueing at the PM's door for their cheques from previous invoices before going to the studio floor for that day's booking. That was the only way they would continue to work there after considerable payment delays.
> 
> Early in my freelance career in a small studio in Soho, at the end of the VO session, the Producer asked if I would mind taking cash as he wanted me paid but thought the production was going down the pan. I didn't even need to invoice!
>  
> With best wishes,
>  
> Nick WAY
>>>     On 22/06/2021 18:23 Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When freelancing there are a few clients who try to delay paying for as long as possible.  I did a single camera show for one client who asked that I brought my invoice along to the shoot. When we wrapped, I gave the producer my invoice and he opened up a briefcase full of money and paid me in cash.
>>> 
>>> The camera assistant hadn?t brought an invoice, but they paid him anyway and told him to post the invoice.  He jokingly asked what would happen if he just took the cash and didn?t send the paperwork.  The producer said that if you wish to never again work for a company who pays cash on wrap, the easiest way to ensure it would be to not send the paperwork when requested.
>>> 
>>> The reason they paid in cash was that the production company?s admin people had a terrible reputation for not paying in a timely fashion and freelancers were refusing to work for them.  The producer decided to take out a cash advance for each show and pay the crews on the spot. Once he started doing that, he had no trouble getting the crews he wanted.
>>> 
>>> Dave D and some other freelancers might know the story of an otherwise lovely unit manager who was adept at finding excuses to delay giving people their per diem payments ( daily allowance for meals - paid in cash ). He always handed it over eventually, but maybe not as soon as we might have liked.  Then one day, he delayed the payments and somebody stole his briefcase full of money, which should have been mostly empty by then if he had paid the PDs promptly.
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>      On 22 Jun 2021, at 17:52, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:     
>>>> 
>>> Interestingly when you add it to your basket (I?m a Prime member) it comes up as ?3.99 - got to be worth trying at that price!!
>>> I can now ask clients to pay straight away!!!!
>>> 
>>> Thanks Ian and hope you?re well
>>> 
>>> Graham Maunder
>>> 
>>> 
>>>         <anvc-logo-mail-small.jpg>      
>>> Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA 
>>>             Tel: 07000 345678   Mobile: 07831 515678   Visit Us: www.anvc.tv
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Jun 2021, at 14:05, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Dear Dave, 
>>>> 
>>>> I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it. 
>>>> 
>>>> https://sumup.co.uk/ 
>>>> 
>>>> The reader is on offer from Amazon for ?13.99, there's no monthly fee just a 1.69% transaction fee. 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM          
>>>> 
>>>> So it wouldn't cost too much to try. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Stay safe 
>>>> 
>>>> Ian Norman 
>>>> 
>>>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk          
>>>> Telephone: 01643 888181          
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: 
>>>>> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a 
>>>>> church hall. 
>>>>> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those 
>>>>> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs. 
>>>>> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again. 
>>>>> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit 
>>>>> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then 
>>>>> spent the cash myself. 
>>>>> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever 
>>>>> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to 
>>>>> pay it in. 
>>>>> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in 
>>>>> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change. 
>>>>> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap. 
>>>>> Anyone got practical experience and can help? 
>>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jun 23 04:58:00 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:58:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
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I?m glad that people actually got paid. I was paid for a job, but the facility company to which I was subcontracted was not.
This was a two camera shoot in NTSC for an American ?producer? to film but 10 minutes of ?Return to the Forbidden Planet? at the Cambridge Theatre. An excellent show and I enjoyed a direct audio feed off the PA desk. In fact the whole show was filmed, and I had been instructed not to hand over the tapes unless there was a cheque in exchange.
At Saturday midnight, on the pavement outside the theatre, the ?producer? said that he might use us for further shooting on Monday, so would produce the wherewithal then. I was soon on the phone to the facility company, and against my better judgement, was told to give him the tapes. The bugger waltzed off back to the States and never paid. The Monday, of course never happened!
Hopefully, the word was spread to avoid this character if he ever dared set foot in the UK again!

Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 22 June 2021 18:23
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.

When freelancing there are a few clients who try to delay paying for as long as possible. ?I did a single camera show for one client who asked that I brought my invoice along to the shoot. When we wrapped, I gave the producer my invoice and he opened up a briefcase full of money and paid me in cash.




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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 05:25:40 2021
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:25:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
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 Nick, that wasn't Channel East in Hayes, was it??









    On Wednesday, 23 June 2021, 02:23:18 GMT-7, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
    Great story Alan.   
   I worked for a channel a very long time back in Hayes. The freelance cameramen were queueing at the PM's door for their cheques from previous invoices before going to the studio floor for that day's booking. That was the only way they would continue to work there after considerable payment delays.   
   Early in my freelance career in a small studio in Soho, at the end of the VO session, the Producer asked if I would mind taking cash as he wanted me paid but thought the production was going down the pan. I didn't even need to invoice!    ?   With best wishes,   ?   Nick WAY   
  On 22/06/2021 18:23 Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:   
   
   When freelancing there are a few clients who try to delay paying for as long as possible. ?I did a single camera show for one client who asked that I brought my invoice along to the shoot. When we wrapped, I gave the producer my invoice and he opened up a briefcase full of money and paid me in cash.   
   The camera assistant hadn?t brought an invoice, but they paid him anyway and told him to post the invoice. ?He jokingly asked what would happen if he just took the cash and didn?t send the paperwork. ?The producer said that if you wish to never again work for a company who pays cash on wrap, the easiest way to ensure it would be to not send the paperwork when requested.   
   The reason they paid in cash was that the production company?s admin people had a terrible reputation for not paying in a timely fashion and freelancers were refusing to work for them. ?The producer decided to take out a cash advance for each show and pay the crews on the spot. Once he started doing that, he had no trouble getting the crews he wanted.   
   Dave D and some other freelancers might know the story of an otherwise lovely unit manager who was adept at finding excuses to delay giving people their per diem payments ( daily allowance for meals - paid in cash ). He always handed it over eventually, but maybe not as soon as we might have liked. ?Then one day, he delayed the payments and somebody stole his briefcase full of money, which should have been mostly empty by then if he had paid the PDs promptly.   
   Alan Taylor   
   
   
 On 22 Jun 2021, at 17:52, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 
 
 
  
  Interestingly when you add it to your basket (I?m a Prime member) it comes up as ?3.99 - got to be worth trying at that price!!  I can now ask clients to pay straight away!!!!   
   Thanks Ian and hope you?re well   
   Graham Maunder   
   
   <anvc-logo-mail-small.jpg> Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10?8TA 
? ? ? ? ? ? Tel:?07000 345678? ?Mobile:?07831 515678? ?Visit Us:?www.anvc.tv   
 
  On 22 Jun 2021, at 14:05, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:    Dear Dave, 
 
I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it. 
 
https://sumup.co.uk/ 
 
The reader is on offer from Amazon for ?13.99, there's no monthly fee just a 1.69% transaction fee. 
 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM 
 
So it wouldn't cost too much to try. 
 
 
Stay safe 
 
Ian Norman 
 
Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk 
Telephone: 01643 888181 
 
On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: 
 
 I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a 
church hall. 
My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those 
who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs. 
Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again. 
The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit 
transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then 
spent the cash myself. 
But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever 
use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to 
pay it in. 
We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in 
a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change. 
I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap. 
Anyone got practical experience and can help? 
 
 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 05:54:00 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:54:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
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Dave: Thanks for posting that link. It should be useful to overseas people
who'd like to receive BBC programmes. (As I'm in the UK, I just have to
ensure that my VPN is off.) I had not realised that a solution was already
available as I presumed that the BBC VPN ban was a brand new thing.
Keith


On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 11:38, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:

> Try these recommendations:
>
> https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/bbc-iplayer-not-working-with-a-vpn/
>
>
>
> Dave D
>
> *From:* Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Keith Wicks
> via Tech1
> *Sent:* 22 June 2021 11:28
> *To:* tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] VPNs
>
>
>
> For some members of this list, I have recommended the use of a VPN to
> access online BBC programmes from overseas. Alas, this now appears to be
> impossible. I'm in the UK, and use a VPN for various reasons. It was set to
> United Kingdom, but I found I could not access BBC programmes on BBC
> iPlayer. It turns out that the BBC will no longer allow anyone using a VPN
> to access programmes. So I had to switch off my VPN in order to gain access.
>
> KW
>
>
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 05:56:03 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:56:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
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I tried many VPNs and found all slowed web activities. Perhaps because they
were all free ones. Until, that is, I tried TouchVPN. It's free and fast,
and I don't usually notice that it's on. As it happens, it's on now ? not
that I need to use it at the moment. But it is said to add extra security,
so I generally leave it on.
KW

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 13:51, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I?ve found that using VPN can make web searches run very slowly, or, in
> some cases,  not at all. It also played havoc with Zoom calls on a couple
> of occasions.
>
> Mike G
>
> On 22 Jun 2021, at 13:36, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi Keith,
>
> I'm in Dubai with my trusty Express VPN connected to East London. I
> haven't actually used iPlayer for a while.
>
> Opened it and it asked me to download the latest software. I did and tried
> to download a show. It failed a few times as it used to but this time no
> luck. Got the message:
>
> <2021-06-22 16.26.16-2.jpg>
>
>
> Whatever a DRM Licence is I don't believe I've seen that message before. I
> was, however able to stream a little of a show, so I guess that part still
> works via the website.
>
> Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
>
> Ironically, I'm paying the Licence Fee back home!
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Nick WAY
>
> On 22/06/2021 11:27 Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> For some members of this list, I have recommended the use of a VPN to
> access online BBC programmes from overseas. Alas, this now appears to be
> impossible. I'm in the UK, and use a VPN for various reasons. It was set to
> United Kingdom, but I found I could not access BBC programmes on BBC
> iPlayer. It turns out that the BBC will no longer allow anyone using a VPN
> to access programmes. So I had to switch off my VPN in order to gain
> access.
> KW
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jun 23 06:03:44 2021
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 12:03:44 +0100
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Here?s another story from several, many, years ago, which left a nasty taste in the mouth.
(see my posting about a welshing US ?producer?). 
Myself and camera assistant were booked for a week?s shoot around London. I think the camera kit came from Sammies as the argument about payment took place late in the evening in Samuelson?s main booking office ? empty at that time.
He didn?t want to pay us for a day that we were not called for.
He maintained that that?s how it worked in the States. (I suppose day-by-day). I was at pains to point out that whether he used us or not, he was paying for availability as we had been booked for the week. After a fair bit of argy-bargy, he capitulated, but didn?t have enough cash on him. I asked if he carried Traveller?s cheques. So we drove him to the Park Lane Hilton, where he was staying ? very nice, so his budget must have been good! And stood over him while he changed his cheques into sterling at the accounts desk. That must have blown his minibar bill!
(He then asked us for our details so he could ?recommend us back home?! NOT, I suspect!).
It was certainly better to work under the umbrella of a facility company at your back. I learned a thing or two about unwisely taking on work from unknown people, who then turn out to be rip-off merchants.
Pat

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From: Nick Way via Tech1
Sent: 23 June 2021 10:22
To: Alan Taylor; Alan Taylor via Tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.

Great story Alan. 

I worked for a channel a very long time back in Hayes. The freelance cameramen were queueing at the PM's door for their cheques from previous invoices before going to the studio floor for that day's booking. That was the only way they would continue to work there after considerable payment delays. 

Early in my freelance career in a small studio in Soho, at the end of the VO session, the Producer asked if I would mind taking cash as he wanted me paid but thought the production was going down the pan. I didn't even need to invoice! 
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? 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jun 23 06:10:04 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 12:10:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
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Yeah! Just tested I-Player with my VPN, off and on.
Seems that BBC have blocked any access from a VPN.
Sledgehammer and nut springs to mind.
It?s all to do with DRM (Digital Rights Management)
Money, Money, Money ? now where have I heard that before?
Pat


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From: Keith Wicks via Tech1
Sent: 23 June 2021 11:54
To: David Denness
Cc: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] VPNs

Dave: Thanks for posting that link. It should be useful to overseas people who'd like to receive BBC programmes. (As I'm in the UK, I just have to ensure that my VPN is off.) I had not realised that a solution was already available as I presumed that the BBC VPN ban was a brand new thing.
Keith


On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 11:38, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:
Try these recommendations:
https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/bbc-iplayer-not-working-with-a-vpn/
?
Dave D
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1
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To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
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For some members of this list, I have recommended the use of a VPN to access online BBC programmes from overseas. Alas, this now appears to be impossible. I'm in the UK, and use a VPN for various reasons. It was set to United Kingdom, but I found I could not access BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer. It turns out that the BBC will no longer allow anyone using a VPN to access programmes. So I had to switch off my VPN in order to gain access.
KW
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jun 23 06:33:33 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 12:33:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VPNs
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Hi,
The fact that iPlayer is being blocked from a VPN, suggests that you are trying to view via a computer.
I can access I-Player on my Samsung ?Smart? TV, as it doesn?t use a VPN, just being directly linked to my router via Wi-Fi.

Pat
(usually bewildered)

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 23 06:55:17 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 12:55:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
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That sounds like a company I did just one day for and never again.  I turned up to do a studio job which was basically presenter plus three guests, with a few VT inserts, so nothing to worry about.

In the studio they had ECMs but only one or two XLR cables.  I asked where the rest were and was told that there weren?t any left.  Time was tight, so rather than mess about, I went back to my car and brought out a bundle of five mic cables in order to get the show done.   When wrapping, I bundled up my cables and put them into my bag, only to be accosted by the studio manager who accused me of stealing their cables.  I pointed out that each of them had my name heatshrunk onto them, but he initially still tried to claim that they were theirs. Eventually he gave in, but went away muttering that bloody freelancers keep stealing all their gear.  The sad reality was that there was virtually nothing there to be stolen. 

As far as poor paying is concerned, everyone who freelances has probably encountered this problem and has horror stories.  I would like to tell one tale which is quite different.

Those of you who have worked for Visions will probably recognise the name Dawn Merrel.  Her name was on all the cover notes accompanying cheques.  I needed to phone her to correct a typo after notifying a change of address.  When she picked up the phone and I introduced myself, she said it was nice talking to me as she had seen my name so often and she didn?t think we had ever spoken. I pointed out that at that time I had been freelancing for the company for about 25 years as it morphed from being called  Molinare, VMTV, Visions and then NEP Visions. I must have sent them the best part of a thousand invoices over the years and not once had I ever needed to call anybody in the finance office to get it settled.  The fact that we had never spoken before should be taken as an immense compliment because she had done her job so efficiently. There were many other clients where I knew their financial people all to well, for all the wrong reasons.

Alan Taylor



> On 23 Jun 2021, at 11:25, Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Nick, that wasn't Channel East in Hayes, was it??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, 23 June 2021, 02:23:18 GMT-7, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Great story Alan.
>> 
>> I worked for a channel a very long time back in Hayes. The freelance cameramen were queueing at the PM's door for their cheques from previous invoices before going to the studio floor for that day's booking. That was the only way they would continue to work there after considerable payment delays.
>> 
>> Early in my freelance career in a small studio in Soho, at the end of the VO session, the Producer asked if I would mind taking cash as he wanted me paid but thought the production was going down the pan. I didn't even need to invoice!
>>  
>> With best wishes,
>>  
>> Nick WAY
>> On 22/06/2021 18:23 Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> When freelancing there are a few clients who try to delay paying for as long as possible.  I did a single camera show for one client who asked that I brought my invoice along to the shoot. When we wrapped, I gave the producer my invoice and he opened up a briefcase full of money and paid me in cash.
>> 
>> The camera assistant hadn?t brought an invoice, but they paid him anyway and told him to post the invoice.  He jokingly asked what would happen if he just took the cash and didn?t send the paperwork.  The producer said that if you wish to never again work for a company who pays cash on wrap, the easiest way to ensure it would be to not send the paperwork when requested.
>> 
>> The reason they paid in cash was that the production company?s admin people had a terrible reputation for not paying in a timely fashion and freelancers were refusing to work for them.  The producer decided to take out a cash advance for each show and pay the crews on the spot. Once he started doing that, he had no trouble getting the crews he wanted.
>> 
>> Dave D and some other freelancers might know the story of an otherwise lovely unit manager who was adept at finding excuses to delay giving people their per diem payments ( daily allowance for meals - paid in cash ). He always handed it over eventually, but maybe not as soon as we might have liked.  Then one day, he delayed the payments and somebody stole his briefcase full of money, which should have been mostly empty by then if he had paid the PDs promptly.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 22 Jun 2021, at 17:52, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>> Interestingly when you add it to your basket (I?m a Prime member) it comes up as ?3.99 - got to be worth trying at that price!!
>>> I can now ask clients to pay straight away!!!!
>>> 
>>> Thanks Ian and hope you?re well
>>> 
>>> Graham Maunder
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA 
>>>             Tel: 07000 345678   Mobile: 07831 515678   Visit Us: www.anvc.tv
>>> 
>>>> On 22 Jun 2021, at 14:05, Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Dear Dave, 
>>>> 
>>>> I have been looking at this, but not actually tried it. 
>>>> 
>>>> https://sumup.co.uk/ 
>>>> 
>>>> The reader is on offer from Amazon for ?13.99, there's no monthly fee just a 1.69% transaction fee. 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sum-Up-Air-Card-Reader-White/dp/B06XBDXDRM 
>>>> 
>>>> So it wouldn't cost too much to try. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Stay safe 
>>>> 
>>>> Ian Norman 
>>>> 
>>>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk 
>>>> Telephone: 01643 888181 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21/06/2021 13:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: 
>>>>> I'm the treasurer of a small drop in group. Which meets once a week in a 
>>>>> church hall. 
>>>>> My duties are simply to pay for the room hire, and the refreshments. Those 
>>>>> who attend pay what they can, and that does cover the costs. 
>>>>> Obviously it was closed during Covid. But we would like to open up again. 
>>>>> The contributions were always cash. I counted the money, then did a credit 
>>>>> transfer from my account into the one I'd set up for the group. And then 
>>>>> spent the cash myself. 
>>>>> But things have changed. I now get my shopping delivered. And hardly ever 
>>>>> use cash these days. And don't want the hassle of taking cash to a bank to 
>>>>> pay it in. 
>>>>> We're only talking about perhaps ?40 weekly. The better off usually put in 
>>>>> a fiver. Poorer, maybe just some change. 
>>>>> I've seen card and phone readers are now quite cheap. 
>>>>> Anyone got practical experience and can help? 
>>>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jun 23 09:02:41 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 14:02:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
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OK, so here?s a story from me. (I vill say ziss onlee vunce!)
Several of us will remember the charming gent who used to produce ?pieces? for a certain Showbiz-based nightly American TV show.
?My? cameraman and I, plus a handful of others, had been working intermittently in and around the UK for a couple of years on shoots for this show. ?My? cameraman, we?ll call him Fred, had a small, but busy TV facilities company, and one of his great virtues was that he always paid his freelance crews within thirty days, or in the case of faster paying clients, less than thirty days. Fred kept a slush fund in order to do this.
Now, the charming gent had an uncanny knack of being on the phone or nowhere to be seen, whenever hotel bills, restaurant bills, taxis, or anything else, needed paying, and over time it got to the point where Fred?s company was owed nearly $100,000 by the charming gent in unpaid invoices. We had all been paid on time nevertheless, but Fred?s company hadn?t. We tried everything to extract cheques from the gent, all to no avail - even refusing to hand over shot Beta tapes that we knew he had to edit or FedEx to the US promptly.
And then, purely by chance Fred found himself in Hollywood shooting an interview with the President of Paramount Pictures (who owned the show in question). Fred seized the opportunity to mention all this to the President, and lo: instant payment right from the top, and the charming gent was no more. Good Karma and sweet revenge!
But I know that all along, the gent had been using other facilities companies and individual freelance camera owners too, spreading debts wherever he went. I hope they all got as lucky as Fred did.
It takes all sorts, but thankfully we had all become wiser and more cautious in the nineties, when production companies were going bust all around us. What they never seemed to learn was that you can?t rely on the up-front dosh from the next job to pay for the last one. That was a business model doomed to fail.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 23 Jun 2021, at 12:04, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Here?s another story from several, many, years ago, which left a nasty taste in the mouth.
(see my posting about a welshing US ?producer?).
Myself and camera assistant were booked for a week?s shoot around London. I think the camera kit came from Sammies as the argument about payment took place late in the evening in Samuelson?s main booking office ? empty at that time.
He didn?t want to pay us for a day that we were not called for.
He maintained that that?s how it worked in the States. (I suppose day-by-day). I was at pains to point out that whether he used us or not, he was paying for availability as we had been booked for the week. After a fair bit of argy-bargy, he capitulated, but didn?t have enough cash on him. I asked if he carried Traveller?s cheques. So we drove him to the Park Lane Hilton, where he was staying ? very nice, so his budget must have been good! And stood over him while he changed his cheques into sterling at the accounts desk. That must have blown his minibar bill!
(He then asked us for our details so he could ?recommend us back home?! NOT, I suspect!).
It was certainly better to work under the umbrella of a facility company at your back. I learned a thing or two about unwisely taking on work from unknown people, who then turn out to be rip-off merchants.
Pat

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 23 11:22:11 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 17:22:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for those who may have a solution.
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I just remembered a great example of making somebody pay up.

I did a series of live transmission to the Middle East, for Ramadam.   The shows were done from a massive marquee in Hyde Park, near Marble Arch.  We did the job as a de-rig and had a small marquee as our technical area.  The guy running the event was a somewhat sleazy character, but full of charm.

After a few days of doing these shows and with a few more to come, a lady appeared, asking by name for the guy in charge.  We knew he had left site a few minutes earlier, but was expected back shortly.  She decided to wait and spent a while chatting with us.  It turned out that she ran the company which supplied the marquees and hadn?t been paid, despite multiple promises. 

When the guy returned, she confronted him and he tried to fob her off but she wasn?t having any of it. She then did a very loud whistle through her fingers and suddenly the roof of the main marquee started rolling open. Her staff had been waiting on the roof for her cue.  The organiser panicked, especially as rain looked imminent, but panel by panel, the roof kept disappearing.  He agreed to go to the bank and pay her with cash, so the people on the roof were told to stand by. 

Sure enough, he took out the money, handed it over and then she told the guys to replace the roof. 

Chatting to her afterwards, she said that bad debts had been a problem in the past for her company.  Specialised services will collect bad debts, but charge 15% or more for the privilege.  Her method is to choose about ten of her most scary looking staff, take them to the pub on the way to site to get them in the right frame of mind  and then send them up onto the roof, loosen a few panels in readiness and wait for her whistle.  Once the debt has been settled, they restore it all. She then takes them back to the pub for a celebration and gives them a bit of cash for their trouble.  She beamed as she said that it?s a tiny fraction of the cost of using debt collectors, it gets results rapidly, the clients never forget what can happen and she enjoys watching them in a state of disbelief as their event crumbles before their eyes.  The rigging crews love doing it too.

Alan Taylor

> On 23 Jun 2021, at 16:34, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Nick,
> 
> I have a funny feeling I could put a name or two to that story of yours.
> 
> Cash flow is a very important aspect of running any sort of business and is often overlooked.  I used to do a hell of a lot of work for one UK OB company, but they were slow to pay, generally about 10 weeks.  The jobs for them were mostly quite enjoyable and I was prepared to wait for the payment because meanwhile other clients were paying on time and there wasn?t a cash flow problem for me.
> 
> One day they asked me to do a series where I would be working 6 days per week for 7 days.  I pointed out that I can?t work for 7 weeks and then wait to be paid for 10 more, that works out to about 4 months with no income as I wouldn?t be available to other clients.  
> 
> They made sympathetic noises, but I didn?t believe them.  In the end I said that just like any other business, there will be a credit limit for them and once they exceeded  that limit, I won?t do an more work until the credit is reduced.  They thought that it was a sensible compromise and we agreed on a credit limit of ?15k.   That particular series would have been  just within the credit limit, but they overlooked the fact that they already owed me a lot of money from previous jobs.
> 
> To cut a long story short, I did the series and needed to be paid for the jobs done prior to the series too. They kept promising, but nothing ever happened.  I was then promised a cheque to be brought to site by the unit manager if I did a particular show.  I turned up, but the unit manager didn?t have my cheque.  I told him about the various false promises and that I was proposing to go back and sit in my car for one hour. If the company comes up with a credible proposal for paying me that day, I would resume work, otherwise I?d go home ( this was long before online banking and BACS payments ).
> 
> The upshot was that I was told that a cheque for about ?10k would be brought to site ( Birmingham )  that afternoon.  I wasn?t totally convinced, but started rigging, however just to cover my arse, I kept all my notes about plugging etc in my pocket so that if I walked off, it would be difficult for somebody else to take over.  
> 
> Then in the afternoon a motor bike courier turned up with my cheque.  I?ve no idea how much it must have cost them.  Oddly enough, I hardly ever got to work for that client again, but so long as you have a range of clients, gaps in the diary always seem to fill up from one client or another. 
> 
> When the boot is on the other foot and I needed to engage a boom op or assistant, I always paid them within days of receiving their invoice. The amount of goodwill it generated made it very worthwhile and those same people would gladly work with me on less pleasant jobs or for slightly low rates if I asked them to, because they knew that they would be the first call for the good jobs in the future.  Sometimes those less glamorous sounding jobs with less attractive rates turned out to be the most fun anyway. 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 23 Jun 2021, at 15:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> OK, so here?s a story from me. (I vill say ziss onlee vunce!)
>> Several of us will remember the charming gent who used to produce ?pieces? for a certain Showbiz-based nightly American TV show.
>> ?My? cameraman and I, plus a handful of others, had been working intermittently in and around the UK for a couple of years on shoots for this show. ?My? cameraman, we?ll call him Fred, had a small, but busy TV facilities company, and one of his great virtues was that he always paid his freelance crews within thirty days, or in the case of faster paying clients, less than thirty days. Fred kept a slush fund in order to do this.
>> Now, the charming gent had an uncanny knack of being on the phone or nowhere to be seen, whenever hotel bills, restaurant bills, taxis, or anything else, needed paying, and over time it got to the point where Fred?s company was owed nearly $100,000 by the charming gent in unpaid invoices. We had all been paid on time nevertheless, but Fred?s company hadn?t. We tried everything to extract cheques from the gent, all to no avail - even refusing to hand over shot Beta tapes that we knew he had to edit or FedEx to the US promptly.
>> And then, purely by chance Fred found himself in Hollywood shooting an interview with the President of Paramount Pictures (who owned the show in question). Fred seized the opportunity to mention all this to the President, and lo: instant payment right from the top, and the charming gent was no more. Good Karma and sweet revenge!
>> But I know that all along, the gent had been using other facilities companies and individual freelance camera owners too, spreading debts wherever he went. I hope they all got as lucky as Fred did.
>> It takes all sorts, but thankfully we had all become wiser and more cautious in the nineties, when production companies were going bust all around us. What they never seemed to learn was that you can?t rely on the up-front dosh from the next job to pay for the last one. That was a business model doomed to fail. 
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 23 Jun 2021, at 12:04, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Here?s another story from several, many, years ago, which left a nasty taste in the mouth.
>>> (see my posting about a welshing US ?producer?).
>>> Myself and camera assistant were booked for a week?s shoot around London. I think the camera kit came from Sammies as the argument about payment took place late in the evening in Samuelson?s main booking office ? empty at that time.
>>> He didn?t want to pay us for a day that we were not called for.
>>> He maintained that that?s how it worked in the States. (I suppose day-by-day). I was at pains to point out that whether he used us or not, he was paying for availability as we had been booked for the week. After a fair bit of argy-bargy, he capitulated, but didn?t have enough cash on him. I asked if he carried Traveller?s cheques. So we drove him to the Park Lane Hilton, where he was staying ? very nice, so his budget must have been good! And stood over him while he changed his cheques into sterling at the accounts desk. That must have blown his minibar bill!
>>> (He then asked us for our details so he could ?recommend us back home?! NOT, I suspect!).
>>> It was certainly better to work under the umbrella of a facility company at your back. I learned a thing or two about unwisely taking on work from unknown people, who then turn out to be rip-off merchants.
>>> Pat
>>>  
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 23 16:16:46 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 22:16:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pests
Message-ID: <2ac4909e-0fa6-2a9a-65a3-716dc155a228@btinternet.com>

FYI. Cheers, Dave

*OAK PROCESSIONARY MOTHS (OPM)*

/The Oak Processionary moth is a tree pest that has been spreading 
rapidly in the South East. Its caterpillars only feed on the leaves of 
several species of oak trees. They cannot complete their development on 
any other trees./

/Over the last few years, we have had numerous Oak Processionary Moth 
(OPM) sightings on private properties and EBC owned land. You might have 
spotted OPM information posters at various sites across the borough. We 
are monitoring the situation very closely working in partnership with 
our Tree Services; the Forestry Commission, Surrey County Council and 
advising private landowners on what steps to take./

*/What do OPM look like? /*

/They have long, white hairs, a grey body and dark head. Older larvae 
have a central dark stripe with paler lines down each side. They build 
white silk-type nests in the branches or trunks of trees (not in the 
leaves)./

*/Where can they be found? /*

/They can be spotted on tree trunks moving about in late spring and 
early summer (May, June and July) in nose to tail processions ? hence 
their name. Lines of caterpillars are often arrow headed. They can 
sometimes be found on the ground moving between trees in this procession. /

*/What is the risk to residents? /*

/The caterpillars and their nests contain hairs which can cause itchy 
rashes, eye and throat irritations and in some very rare cases, allergic 
reaction in people and animals who you come in contact with them. The 
greatest risk period is May to July when the caterpillars emerge and 
feed before pupating into adult moths. Please be mindful that 
caterpillars can shed hairs if they are disturbed or threatened. The 
hairs can be blown by the wind, stick to trunks, branches, grass and 
clothing. In warm weather, hairs can stick to the skin more easily when 
you wear sun protection lotion, so please be mindful not to approach oak 
trees then. /

/*What to do when you spot an OPM nest: - */

/When you see posters at affected sites, it is important not to ignore 
them. Please stay well clear of the affected trees for your own safety. 
Make you keep dogs under control, away from infested areas. /

/? If the sighting is on private land, please report it to the Forestry 
Commission using the Tree Alert online reporting form on their website: 
https://treealert.forestresearch.gov.uk/ 
<https://treealert.forestresearch.gov.uk/> /

/? If you cannot use Tree alert, you can report them by telephone on 
0300 067 442 or by email at //opm at forestrycommission.gov.uk//. If you 
own the tree on which the nest if located, the Forestry Commission has 
issued an online manual for owners of oak trees. /



From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 18:17:52 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 00:17:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pests
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I?ve had problems with box tree caterpillars on our two large box bushes. I didn?t realise what was happening until after I?d set the moth traps and by that time the caterpillars had already hatched and been at work stripping a lot of the foliage in patches. I spent an hour or two combing through the leaves and bare branches and picked off 50-100 of them, placing them in a jar of water to kill them. They are similar in size and appearance to cabbage white caterpillars and easy enough to get hold of, though they are sticky. I?m still finding ones and twos of them and the occasional pupae.
I discovered that box is an irritant particularly when it?s wet as it has been after the heavy rain and it made my fingers and knuckles itch.
I?m told that the pest goes through three cycles in a season and to look out for any moths that get caught in the traps to indicate the start of the second wave.
Hopefully the foliage will regrow if the pests are kept under control, but if you?ve any box in your garden, look out for them,

Geoff

> On 23 Jun 2021, at 22:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?FYI. Cheers, Dave
> 
> *OAK PROCESSIONARY MOTHS (OPM)*
> 
> /The Oak Processionary moth is a tree pest that has been spreading rapidly in the South East. Its caterpillars only feed on the leaves of several species of oak trees. They cannot complete their development on any other trees./
> 
> /Over the last few years, we have had numerous Oak Processionary Moth (OPM) sightings on private properties and EBC owned land. You might have spotted OPM information posters at various sites across the borough. We are monitoring the situation very closely working in partnership with our Tree Services; the Forestry Commission, Surrey County Council and advising private landowners on what steps to take./
> 
> */What do OPM look like? /*
> 
> /They have long, white hairs, a grey body and dark head. Older larvae have a central dark stripe with paler lines down each side. They build white silk-type nests in the branches or trunks of trees (not in the leaves)./
> 
> */Where can they be found? /*
> 
> /They can be spotted on tree trunks moving about in late spring and early summer (May, June and July) in nose to tail processions ? hence their name. Lines of caterpillars are often arrow headed. They can sometimes be found on the ground moving between trees in this procession. /
> 
> */What is the risk to residents? /*
> 
> /The caterpillars and their nests contain hairs which can cause itchy rashes, eye and throat irritations and in some very rare cases, allergic reaction in people and animals who you come in contact with them. The greatest risk period is May to July when the caterpillars emerge and feed before pupating into adult moths. Please be mindful that caterpillars can shed hairs if they are disturbed or threatened. The hairs can be blown by the wind, stick to trunks, branches, grass and clothing. In warm weather, hairs can stick to the skin more easily when you wear sun protection lotion, so please be mindful not to approach oak trees then. /
> 
> /*What to do when you spot an OPM nest: - */
> 
> /When you see posters at affected sites, it is important not to ignore them. Please stay well clear of the affected trees for your own safety. Make you keep dogs under control, away from infested areas. /
> 
> /? If the sighting is on private land, please report it to the Forestry Commission using the Tree Alert online reporting form on their website: https://treealert.forestresearch.gov.uk/ <https://treealert.forestresearch.gov.uk/> /
> 
> /? If you cannot use Tree alert, you can report them by telephone on 0300 067 442 or by email at //opm at forestrycommission.gov.uk//. If you own the tree on which the nest if located, the Forestry Commission has issued an online manual for owners of oak trees. /
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Thu Jun 24 02:06:37 2021
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 08:06:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pests
In-Reply-To: <6C3A35C5-6B64-46E1-AD72-8522C5C6FBCA@gmail.com>
References: <6C3A35C5-6B64-46E1-AD72-8522C5C6FBCA@gmail.com>
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I was talking to the gardeners at the AELTC  Wimbledon where I?m working at the moment and they said the box (or buxus) trees are unlikely to grow back.
You need to spot the little buggers early and get rid of them.
Unfortunately the only remedy is a good insecticide which I know some people don?t like to use.
Keep alert!!
Graham Maunder

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 24 Jun 2021, at 00:18, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ve had problems with box tree caterpillars on our two large box bushes. I didn?t realise what was happening until after I?d set the moth traps and by that time the caterpillars had already hatched and been at work stripping a lot of the foliage in patches. I spent an hour or two combing through the leaves and bare branches and picked off 50-100 of them, placing them in a jar of water to kill them. They are similar in size and appearance to cabbage white caterpillars and easy enough to get hold of, though they are sticky. I?m still finding ones and twos of them and the occasional pupae.
> I discovered that box is an irritant particularly when it?s wet as it has been after the heavy rain and it made my fingers and knuckles itch.
> I?m told that the pest goes through three cycles in a season and to look out for any moths that get caught in the traps to indicate the start of the second wave.
> Hopefully the foliage will regrow if the pests are kept under control, but if you?ve any box in your garden, look out for them,
> 
> Geoff
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2021, at 22:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?FYI. Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> *OAK PROCESSIONARY MOTHS (OPM)*
>> 
>> /The Oak Processionary moth is a tree pest that has been spreading rapidly in the South East. Its caterpillars only feed on the leaves of several species of oak trees. They cannot complete their development on any other trees./
>> 
>> /Over the last few years, we have had numerous Oak Processionary Moth (OPM) sightings on private properties and EBC owned land. You might have spotted OPM information posters at various sites across the borough. We are monitoring the situation very closely working in partnership with our Tree Services; the Forestry Commission, Surrey County Council and advising private landowners on what steps to take./
>> 
>> */What do OPM look like? /*
>> 
>> /They have long, white hairs, a grey body and dark head. Older larvae have a central dark stripe with paler lines down each side. They build white silk-type nests in the branches or trunks of trees (not in the leaves)./
>> 
>> */Where can they be found? /*
>> 
>> /They can be spotted on tree trunks moving about in late spring and early summer (May, June and July) in nose to tail processions ? hence their name. Lines of caterpillars are often arrow headed. They can sometimes be found on the ground moving between trees in this procession. /
>> 
>> */What is the risk to residents? /*
>> 
>> /The caterpillars and their nests contain hairs which can cause itchy rashes, eye and throat irritations and in some very rare cases, allergic reaction in people and animals who you come in contact with them. The greatest risk period is May to July when the caterpillars emerge and feed before pupating into adult moths. Please be mindful that caterpillars can shed hairs if they are disturbed or threatened. The hairs can be blown by the wind, stick to trunks, branches, grass and clothing. In warm weather, hairs can stick to the skin more easily when you wear sun protection lotion, so please be mindful not to approach oak trees then. /
>> 
>> /*What to do when you spot an OPM nest: - */
>> 
>> /When you see posters at affected sites, it is important not to ignore them. Please stay well clear of the affected trees for your own safety. Make you keep dogs under control, away from infested areas. /
>> 
>> /? If the sighting is on private land, please report it to the Forestry Commission using the Tree Alert online reporting form on their website: https://treealert.forestresearch.gov.uk/ <https://treealert.forestresearch.gov.uk/> /
>> 
>> /? If you cannot use Tree alert, you can report them by telephone on 0300 067 442 or by email at //opm at forestrycommission.gov.uk//. If you own the tree on which the nest if located, the Forestry Commission has issued an online manual for owners of oak trees. /
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 08:54:22 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 14:54:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
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A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to break 
underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient barn. 
Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation acceleration 
due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a cobbled floor, 
but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a firmly fixed 
horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.

The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and what 
is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal bits. Fear 
not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news went round to 
many friends, who all sent lovely cards.

The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" 
and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a 
retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy branch, 
with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet that 
bloody hurt"!

Chris Woolf



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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Jun 24 09:23:19 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:23:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
In-Reply-To: <2cd93156-ffa9-ef3b-7501-7c0d6740d22b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <2cd93156-ffa9-ef3b-7501-7c0d6740d22b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <667D37DF-A989-44F6-9FA1-D399980D65F2@icloud.com>

Ouch! I bet it did. So when do you start flying lessons?

Graeme Wall

> On 24 Jun 2021, at 14:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to break underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient barn. Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation acceleration due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a cobbled floor, but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a firmly fixed horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.
> 
> The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and what is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal bits. Fear not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news went round to many friends, who all sent lovely cards.
> 
> The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy branch, with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet that bloody hurt"!
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 09:26:59 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:26:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
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References: <2cd93156-ffa9-ef3b-7501-7c0d6740d22b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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 From that altitude stall recovery probably isn't feasible;}

Chris


On 24/06/2021 15:23, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Ouch! I bet it did. So when do you start flying lessons?
>
> Graeme Wall
>
>> On 24 Jun 2021, at 14:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to break underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient barn. Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation acceleration due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a cobbled floor, but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a firmly fixed horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.
>>
>> The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and what is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal bits. Fear not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news went round to many friends, who all sent lovely cards.
>>
>> The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy branch, with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet that bloody hurt"!
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>>
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 09:41:47 2021
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:41:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
In-Reply-To: <2cd93156-ffa9-ef3b-7501-7c0d6740d22b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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That reminds me of when Les Mowbray did some job on his roof, then stepped back to admire his handiwork! I believe a lean-to roof broke his fall, so not much damage except to his ego...John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 24/06/2021  14:55  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] for amusement A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to break underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient barn. Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation acceleration due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a cobbled floor, but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a firmly fixed horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and what is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal bits. Fear not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news went round to many friends, who all sent lovely cards.The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy branch, with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet that bloody hurt"!Chris Woolf-- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://www.avast.com/antivirus-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 24 09:43:23 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:43:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
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Bad luck. Hope you recover fully and soon. Was the board span somewhat
optimistic? I have to have this place scaffolded every few years for
painting - the rear top simply not possible to get at because of a
conservatory by ladders. And they tend to support the boards pretty
generously.    


In article <2cd93156-ffa9-ef3b-7501-7c0d6740d22b at chriswoolf.co.uk>,
   Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to break 
> underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient barn. 
> Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation acceleration 
> due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a cobbled floor, 
> but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a firmly fixed 
> horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.

> The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and what 
> is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal bits. Fear 
> not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news went round to 
> many friends, who all sent lovely cards.

> The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" 
> and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a 
> retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy branch, 
> with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet that 
> bloody hurt"!

> Chris Woolf



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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 09:50:26 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:50:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
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It's always best to do landing lessons before you do the flying lessons!




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Ouch! I bet it did. So when do you start flying lessons?

Graeme Wall

> On 24 Jun 2021, at 14:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to break underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient barn. Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation acceleration due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a cobbled floor, but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a firmly fixed horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.
>
> The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and what is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal bits. Fear not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news went round to many friends, who all sent lovely cards.
>
> The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy branch, with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet that bloody hurt"!
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jun 24 09:51:47 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:51:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
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References: <2cd93156-ffa9-ef3b-7501-7c0d6740d22b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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That was merely gliding, I did a fall which was powered.

A few years ago a beech tree in my garden put out a ridiculously long branch running almost horizontal, about 10-15 feet above the ground.  I decided it needed to be cut back. I put a ladder against the branch with a decent overhang and used my chainsaw to trim the branch. Obviously I ensured that the ladder was leaning against the part of the branch which would remain - I?m not quite that stupid!

Unfortunately the loss of weight from the sawn off part of the branch caused the remainder  of the branch to spring up higher than the ladder overhang and there was suddenly nothing left supporting it.

Rather than gliding gracefully to the ground, I did a powered decent with whirling chainsaw teeth, just to make it exciting. 

I was lucky to escape with no injuries other than damaged pride.  

Alan Taylor

> On 24 Jun 2021, at 14:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to break underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient barn. Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation acceleration due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a cobbled floor, but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a firmly fixed horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.
> 
> The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and what is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal bits. Fear not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news went round to many friends, who all sent lovely cards.
> 
> The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy branch, with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet that bloody hurt"!
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 11:27:22 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 17:27:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
Message-ID: <18c67556-5e10-d83a-9974-12bf31b7691e@gmail.com>


Around 1965 apparently

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jun 24 12:03:14 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 18:03:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
In-Reply-To: <18c67556-5e10-d83a-9974-12bf31b7691e@gmail.com>
References: <18c67556-5e10-d83a-9974-12bf31b7691e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <773F22F159844BB1A8C36CB9CA4A724A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Wild guessing here but might it be one of the productions of or excerpts from the Nutcracker ballet?

Similarly wild speculation ? the mole swingers silhouette somehow brought Don McQuistan to mind, the cameraman?s Ian Perry.

Dave Newbitt.



From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:27 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?


Around 1965 apparently

  


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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 12:07:53 2021
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 18:07:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
In-Reply-To: <773F22F159844BB1A8C36CB9CA4A724A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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I think it's Don McQuistan on the arm, Ken Major up front. I was the usual
mole tracker on Ken's Crew 16 for about a year but it's not me tracking. I
will check the old archives.
Geoff F

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 18:03, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Wild guessing here but might it be one of the productions of or excerpts
> from the Nutcracker ballet?
>
> Similarly wild speculation ? the mole swingers silhouette somehow brought
> Don McQuistan to mind, the cameraman?s Ian Perry.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:27 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
>
>
> Around 1965 apparently
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 14:59:08 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 20:59:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +
 Queen's Coronation
In-Reply-To: <4E2535AE-BCD2-4D50-B41D-EC67FAC1479F@btinternet.com>
References: <4E2535AE-BCD2-4D50-B41D-EC67FAC1479F@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5be86c3b-4457-a022-a98d-6d0f62bbedb3@gmail.com>

This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a 
doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.

B


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's 
Coronation
Date: 	Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100
From: 	Ravenscourt <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
To: 	bernard newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>



Hi Bernie
Any of your group know on this request
Best wishes
Albert

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> *From:* Nick Gilbey <rndgilbey at gmail.com>
> *Date:* 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
> *To:* Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
> *Subject:* *Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + 
> Queen's Coronation*
>
> ? Hello Albert
>
> I received this email from Claire Walding ?requesting information 
> about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be 
> difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she 
> sent me are no longer with us. ?Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, 
> was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together 
> using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.
>
> I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just 
> wondered if you might be able to help her.
>
> Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook
>
> I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Nick
>
> Nick Gilbey
> Rndgilbey at gmail.com <mailto:Rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>
> The Abbots House
> The Street
> Charmouth
> Dorset
> DT6 6QF
>
> 07831 219957
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clairepwalding at gmail.com>>
>> *Subject: **Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's 
>> Coronation*
>> *Date: *23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST
>> *To: *nick at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>> *Cc: *Rndgilbey at gmail.com <mailto:Rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>>
>> Dear Nick Gilbey
>> Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for 
>> information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the 
>> Broadcast Television Technology Trust.
>>
>> To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national 
>> broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will 
>> be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953.
>>
>> As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and 
>> technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from the 
>> cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the 
>> BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine!
>>
>> It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or 
>> two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I 
>> have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in 
>> the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
>> Peter Ward
>> D.R.G. Montague
>> Don Mackay
>> Stephen Wade
>> Max Robertson
>> Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
>> Peter Dimmock
>> John Vernon
>> Bob Hubbard
>> Tony Bridgewater
>> Jack T P Robinson
>>
>> I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be 
>> appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426
>>
>> FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is 
>> called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: 
>> https://looks.film/en/ <https://looks.film/en/>
>>
>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>> Kind regards
>> Claire Walding.
>
> Nick Gilbey
> Rndgilbey at gmail.com <mailto:Rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>
> The Abbots House
> The Street
> Charmouth
> Dorset
> DT6 6QF
>
> 07831 219957
>
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 15:00:59 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:00:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB-j7YdEDW2VzA1zgObPstpeDmaN5Xh7H8BRifaZYXcitw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18c67556-5e10-d83a-9974-12bf31b7691e@gmail.com>
	<773F22F159844BB1A8C36CB9CA4A724A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<CAB99AB-j7YdEDW2VzA1zgObPstpeDmaN5Xh7H8BRifaZYXcitw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17e86f1c-c7f6-b645-e297-e1ba91bdfe4e@ntlworld.com>

Someone on Facebook worked it out -

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/2cb005cc66fb4b7ba5d04cf6db65109c

6th May 1966

B


On 24/06/2021 18:07, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
> I think it's Don McQuistan on the arm, Ken Major up front. I was the 
> usual mole tracker on Ken's Crew 16 for about a year but it's not me 
> tracking. I will check the old archives.
> Geoff F
>
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 18:03, David Newbitt via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Wild guessing here but might it be one of the productions of or
>     excerpts from the Nutcracker ballet?
>     Similarly wild speculation ? the mole swingers silhouette somehow
>     brought Don McQuistan to mind, the cameraman?s Ian Perry.
>     Dave Newbitt.
>     *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>     *Sent:* Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:27 PM
>     *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     *Subject:* [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
>
>     Around 1965 apparently
>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 15:13:30 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:13:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster
 NDR + Queen's Coronation
In-Reply-To: <5be86c3b-4457-a022-a98d-6d0f62bbedb3@gmail.com>
References: <4E2535AE-BCD2-4D50-B41D-EC67FAC1479F@btinternet.com>
	<5be86c3b-4457-a022-a98d-6d0f62bbedb3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cdf72f9d-a45f-2d0a-85bd-b6eca20a7d97@gmail.com>

Hi,

Interesting in respect of a recent conversation that Arthur Reed (later 
to move into TC Studio Crews as Senior Cameraman? - I presume it is the 
same person!) is listed as a cameraman at Grosvenor Gate, Hyde Park.



Best regards, Keep safe

Alec

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:29:14 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 23:29:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
In-Reply-To: <17e86f1c-c7f6-b645-e297-e1ba91bdfe4e@ntlworld.com>
References: <18c67556-5e10-d83a-9974-12bf31b7691e@gmail.com>	<773F22F159844BB1A8C36CB9CA4A724A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>	<CAB99AB-j7YdEDW2VzA1zgObPstpeDmaN5Xh7H8BRifaZYXcitw@mail.gmail.com>
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I wondered if it was the Firebird as I worked on it when I was on Crew 2 at that time and vaguely recognised it. It was done in TC1. It would?ve been Frank Wilkins on the Mole and I tracked Bob Coles on a Heron. He was Frank?s no 2 and Geoff Feld was the no. 3. I?m pretty certain that Mike Minchin was there too as no. 4,

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 24 June 2021 21:01
To: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>; David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 

Someone on Facebook worked it out - 

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/2cb005cc66fb4b7ba5d04cf6db65109c

6th May 1966

B



On 24/06/2021 18:07, Geoff Fletcher wrote:

I think it's Don McQuistan on the arm, Ken Major up front. I was the usual mole tracker on Ken's Crew 16 for about a year but it's not me tracking. I will check the old archives.

Geoff F

 

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 18:03, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Wild guessing here but might it be one of the productions of or excerpts from the Nutcracker ballet?

 

Similarly wild speculation ? the mole swingers silhouette somehow brought Don McQuistan to mind, the cameraman?s Ian Perry.

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

 

 

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:27 PM

To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 


Around 1965 apparently

  


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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:32:54 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 23:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this - there's more!
Message-ID: <004a01d76948$dfb5e2c0$9f21a840$@gmail.com>

I wondered if it was the Firebird as I worked on it when I was on Crew 2 at that time and vaguely recognised it. It was done in TC1. It would?ve been Frank Wilkins on the Mole and Clive Halls would?ve been the swinger. I tracked Bob Coles on a Heron. He was Frank?s no 2 and Geoff Feld was the no. 3. I?m pretty certain that Mike Minchin was there too as no. 4,

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 24 June 2021 21:01
To: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>; David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 

Someone on Facebook worked it out - 

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/2cb005cc66fb4b7ba5d04cf6db65109c

6th May 1966

B

On 24/06/2021 18:07, Geoff Fletcher wrote:

I think it's Don McQuistan on the arm, Ken Major up front. I was the usual mole tracker on Ken's Crew 16 for about a year but it's not me tracking. I will check the old archives.

Geoff F

 

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 18:03, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Wild guessing here but might it be one of the productions of or excerpts from the Nutcracker ballet?

 

Similarly wild speculation ? the mole swingers silhouette somehow brought Don McQuistan to mind, the cameraman?s Ian Perry.

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

 

 

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:27 PM

To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 


Around 1965 apparently

  


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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:33:19 2021
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 23:33:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
In-Reply-To: <002b01d76948$5cdd5590$169800b0$@gmail.com>
References: <18c67556-5e10-d83a-9974-12bf31b7691e@gmail.com>
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Well Geoff, if you worked on it and it is the Firebird, then you must be
correct. Cameraman still doesn't look like Frank as I remember him though,
and the swinger does remind me of Don. The swirling mists of time........
Geoff F

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 23:29, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I wondered if it was the Firebird as I worked on it when I was on Crew 2
> at that time and vaguely recognised it. It was done in TC1. It would?ve
> been Frank Wilkins on the Mole and I tracked Bob Coles on a Heron. He was
> Frank?s no 2 and Geoff Feld was the no. 3. I?m pretty certain that Mike
> Minchin was there too as no. 4,
>
>
>
> *Geoff Hawkes*
>
>
>
> *From:* Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Bernard
> Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent:* 24 June 2021 21:01
> *To:* Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>; David Newbitt <
> dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
> *Cc:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
>
>
>
> Someone on Facebook worked it out -
>
> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/2cb005cc66fb4b7ba5d04cf6db65109c
>
> 6th May 1966
>
> B
>
> On 24/06/2021 18:07, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
>
> I think it's Don McQuistan on the arm, Ken Major up front. I was the usual
> mole tracker on Ken's Crew 16 for about a year but it's not me tracking. I
> will check the old archives.
>
> Geoff F
>
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 18:03, David Newbitt via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Wild guessing here but might it be one of the productions of or excerpts
> from the Nutcracker ballet?
>
>
>
> Similarly wild speculation ? the mole swingers silhouette somehow brought
> Don McQuistan to mind, the cameraman?s Ian Perry.
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> Dave Newbitt.
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> Around 1965 apparently
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:33:36 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 23:33:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this - there's more!
Message-ID: <005701d76948$f91ba7e0$eb52f7a0$@gmail.com>

I wondered if it was the Firebird as I worked on it when I was on Crew 2 at that time and vaguely recognised it. It was done in TC1. It would?ve been Frank Wilkins on the Mole and Clive Halls would?ve been the swinger. I tracked Bob Coles on a Heron. He was Frank?s no 2 and Geoff Feld was the no. 3. I?m pretty certain that Mike Minchin was there too as no. 4,

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 24 June 2021 21:01
To: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>; David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 

Someone on Facebook worked it out - 

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/2cb005cc66fb4b7ba5d04cf6db65109c

6th May 1966

B

On 24/06/2021 18:07, Geoff Fletcher wrote:

I think it's Don McQuistan on the arm, Ken Major up front. I was the usual mole tracker on Ken's Crew 16 for about a year but it's not me tracking. I will check the old archives.

Geoff F

 

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 18:03, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Wild guessing here but might it be one of the productions of or excerpts from the Nutcracker ballet?

 

Similarly wild speculation ? the mole swingers silhouette somehow brought Don McQuistan to mind, the cameraman?s Ian Perry.

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

 

 

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:27 PM

To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 


Around 1965 apparently

  


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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 17:47:20 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 23:47:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?
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It was a long time ago but it seems to have been established that it was The Firebird and we didn?t do a lot of ballet as I remember. Clive Halls was on the crew and usually swung the Mole and I quite often tracked, but on that occasion I tracked the Heron as my first experience of doing anything other than move it from A to B on smaller shows and sadly didn?t do well at it a Bob firmly told me. It?s possible that Frank was on leave but otherwise it would?ve been him on the Mole as the principal camera.

 

All this is subject to correction by anyone with a clearer memory, but they are getting futher and fewer between as we go deeper into the mists,

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> 
Sent: 24 June 2021 23:33
To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com
Cc: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 

Well Geoff, if you worked on it and it is the Firebird, then you must be correct. Cameraman still doesn't look like Frank as I remember him though, and the swinger does remind me of Don. The swirling mists of time........

Geoff F

 

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 23:29, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

I wondered if it was the Firebird as I worked on it when I was on Crew 2 at that time and vaguely recognised it. It was done in TC1. It would?ve been Frank Wilkins on the Mole and I tracked Bob Coles on a Heron. He was Frank?s no 2 and Geoff Feld was the no. 3. I?m pretty certain that Mike Minchin was there too as no. 4,

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> > On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 24 June 2021 21:01
To: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com> >; David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net <mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> >
Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com> >; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 

Someone on Facebook worked it out - 

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/2cb005cc66fb4b7ba5d04cf6db65109c

6th May 1966

B

On 24/06/2021 18:07, Geoff Fletcher wrote:

I think it's Don McQuistan on the arm, Ken Major up front. I was the usual mole tracker on Ken's Crew 16 for about a year but it's not me tracking. I will check the old archives.

Geoff F

 

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 18:03, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Wild guessing here but might it be one of the productions of or excerpts from the Nutcracker ballet?

 

Similarly wild speculation ? the mole swingers silhouette somehow brought Don McQuistan to mind, the cameraman?s Ian Perry.

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

 

 

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:27 PM

To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this?

 


Around 1965 apparently

  


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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 25 10:33:56 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 16:33:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster
 NDR + Queen's Coronation
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Well there?s certainly a lot of familiar and indeed legendary names on that sheet, but it?s hard to imagine that any of them might still be with us.  Obviously the senior people would most likely have been maybe 40 - 50 at the time and it?s nearly 70 years since then, so of any of them were still living, we would know about them via the Guiness Book of Records.  I looked at the more junior responsibilities as they would have mostly been the younger people and more likely to still be around.  For instance Ron Chown was a maintenance engineer and he retired a hell of a long time ago.  

If there was a young lad in his twenties working on the event, he would be well into his nineties these days.  It?s a possibility that they have survived, but I don?t know of any likely candidates. 

Has anybody tried asking Dave Hume of the Telobians?  He maintains a list of ex-OB people in connection with the staff reunions and occasionally announces births, marriages and deaths; rather predictably, mostly the latter.

Alan Taylor

> On 24 Jun 2021, at 20:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
> Date:	Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100
> From:	Ravenscourt <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
> To:	bernard newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
> 
> 
> Hi Bernie 
> Any of your group know on this request 
> Best wishes 
> Albert 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Nick Gilbey <rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>> Date: 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
>> To: Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>> 
>> ? Hello Albert 
>> 
>> I received this email from Claire Walding  requesting information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.  Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.
>> 
>> I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just wondered if you might be able to help her.
>> 
>> Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook
>> 
>> I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> Nick Gilbey
>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>> 
>> The Abbots House
>> The Street 
>> Charmouth
>> Dorset
>> DT6 6QF
>> 
>> 07831 219957
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>> Date: 23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST
>>> To: nick at mcr21.org.uk
>>> Cc: Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Dear Nick Gilbey 
>>> Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the Broadcast Television Technology Trust. 
>>> 
>>> To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953. 
>>> 
>>> As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine! 
>>> 
>>> It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
>>> Peter Ward
>>> D.R.G. Montague
>>> Don Mackay
>>> Stephen Wade 
>>> Max Robertson
>>> Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
>>> Peter Dimmock
>>> John Vernon
>>> Bob Hubbard
>>> Tony Bridgewater
>>> Jack T P Robinson
>>> 
>>> I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426
>>> 
>>> FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: https://looks.film/en/
>>> 
>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Claire Walding.
>> 
>> Nick Gilbey
>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>> 
>> The Abbots House
>> The Street 
>> <P1010616.jpeg>
>> Charmouth
>> <P1010615.jpeg>
>> Dorset
>> <P1010614.jpeg>
>> DT6 6QF
>> <P1010617.jpeg>
>> 
>> 07831 219957
>> 
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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 14:37:56 2021
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 20:37:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this - there's more!
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I don't remember this Firebird, Geoff.? I note that the genome dates it 
to 1965, and I was away from Crew 2 by then. (In April 1965 I joined 
Crew 4 as Camera 3, having previously been on the Camera Pool.)? I was 
certainly on Crew 2 in 1963, but I'm not sure what my status was by late 
December.? That was when we did a 3-day musical ("Stray Cats and Empty 
Bottles"), and my seniority said I ought to be doing the very light 
Camera 6.? But Frank, whose tracker I had been for some time, asked if I 
would mind tracking the very complex Mole (Cam 1).? With pleasure...? In 
the 1st 9 months of 1964 I tended to operate cameras 4 or 5 (or even 6) 
on large shows,? Then in September I moved to Crew 6 as Camera 3 (and 
immediately started doing Live 50-minute Z Cars - where I have always 
claimed to have learnt my job!)

Mike Minchin

On 24/06/2021 23:32, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote:

> I wondered if it was the Firebird as I worked on it when I was on Crew 
> 2 at that time and vaguely recognised it. It was done in TC1. It 
> would?ve been Frank Wilkins on the Mole and *Clive Halls* would?ve 
> been the swinger. I tracked Bob Coles on a Heron. He was Frank?s no 2 
> and Geoff Feld was the no. 3. I?m pretty certain that Mike Minchin was 
> there too as no. 4,
>
> *Geoff Hawkes*
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 25 18:11:47 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 00:11:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
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As Captain Mannering would say - ' Stupid Boy'! I hope that helps! 
Cheers, Dave

On 24/06/2021 14:54, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to 
> break underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient 
> barn. Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation 
> acceleration due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a 
> cobbled floor, but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a 
> firmly fixed horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.
>
> The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and 
> what is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal 
> bits. Fear not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news 
> went round to many friends, who all sent lovely cards.
>
> The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" 
> and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a 
> retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy 
> branch, with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet 
> that bloody hurt"!
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
>


From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun 26 03:55:00 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 09:55:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +
 Queen's Coronation
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Some of my former colleagues who are better with names will doubtless remember more people than I do, but at least twenty of the names on that list are of people who I regularly worked with and spent considerable time socialising with, but I can't actually remember any of them talking about their role in the Coronation broadcast ( except for one of my favourite engineers, Ralph Parrott, who told me about some of his many ingenious inventions ). 

Looking at the sheet, the young lads performing junior roles included people like Ron Chown and Bert Oaten, with Clive Potter as general assistant. All of them went on to be OB Engineering Managers. The more responsible positions included many people who went on to take up senior management roles in later years.  It's also very typical of the BBC in those days that men are referred to as X.Y.Z Smith, while women are referred to as Miss Smith or Mrs Jones.

When you look at that call sheet with countless talented people working on what was the world's biggest OB at that time, it's saddening to think how few of their personal memories have been recorded for posterity and yet the Coronation is one of the most widely documented OBs of all time. Those of us who have enjoyed a long career in television should ensure that our recollections are preserved for posterity, either on here, or on some of the other British TV history sites.  We might have been too young to work on the Coronation and most of us will be too old to work on the next one, but we've all done a hell of a lot of amazing shows which others might like to know about.

Alan Taylor



On 26 Jun 2021, at 26 Jun . 08:51, Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> One name leapt out to me from this NDR enquiry; that of W. S. (Willy) Cave.  I'd last seen him, still going strong-ish at a BBCPA AGM, probably in 2019.
> 
> I'd not want to 'go public' on the email exchange until we know if he's still with us, but I will try a phone call to him later this morning.
> 
> Getting in touch with Dave Hume seems a good idea - and incidentally, Arthur (Ace) Reed came to Crew 6 in Studios from OBs as a No.2 in Z-Cars days probably in 1963 or 4.  It was some time b4 he was promoted. 
> 
> Bestregs
> 
> Hugh 
> 
> On 25-Jun-21 4:33 PM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Well there?s certainly a lot of familiar and indeed legendary names on that sheet, but it?s hard to imagine that any of them might still be with us.  Obviously the senior people would most likely have been maybe 40 - 50 at the time and it?s nearly 70 years since then, so of any of them were still living, we would know about them via the Guiness Book of Records.  I looked at the more junior responsibilities as they would have mostly been the younger people and more likely to still be around.  For instance Ron Chown was a maintenance engineer and he retired a hell of a long time ago.  
>> 
>> If there was a young lad in his twenties working on the event, he would be well into his nineties these days.  It?s a possibility that they have survived, but I don?t know of any likely candidates. 
>> 
>> Has anybody tried asking Dave Hume of the Telobians?  He maintains a list of ex-OB people in connection with the staff reunions and occasionally announces births, marriages and deaths; rather predictably, mostly the latter.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>> On 24 Jun 2021, at 20:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:	Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>> Date:	Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100
>>> From:	Ravenscourt <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
>>> To:	bernard newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
>>> 
>>> Hi Bernie 
>>> Any of your group know on this request 
>>> Best wishes 
>>> Albert 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Nick Gilbey <rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
>>>> To: Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
>>>> Subject: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>>> 
>>>> ? Hello Albert 
>>>> 
>>>> I received this email from Claire Walding  requesting information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.  Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.
>>>> 
>>>> I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just wondered if you might be able to help her.
>>>> 
>>>> Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook
>>>> 
>>>> I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> 
>>>> Nick
>>>> 
>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> The Abbots House
>>>> The Street 
>>>> Charmouth
>>>> Dorset
>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>> 
>>>> 07831 219957
>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>>>> Date: 23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST
>>>>> To: nick at mcr21.org.uk
>>>>> Cc: Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Nick Gilbey 
>>>>> Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the Broadcast Television Technology Trust. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
>>>>> Peter Ward
>>>>> D.R.G. Montague
>>>>> Don Mackay
>>>>> Stephen Wade 
>>>>> Max Robertson
>>>>> Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
>>>>> Peter Dimmock
>>>>> John Vernon
>>>>> Bob Hubbard
>>>>> Tony Bridgewater
>>>>> Jack T P Robinson
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426
>>>>> 
>>>>> FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: https://looks.film/en/
>>>>> 
>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Claire Walding.
>>>> 
>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> The Abbots House
>>>> The Street 
>>>> <P1010616.jpeg>
>>>> Charmouth
>>>> <P1010615.jpeg>
>>>> Dorset
>>>> <P1010614.jpeg>
>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>> <P1010617.jpeg>
>>>> 
>>>> 07831 219957
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun 26 03:57:45 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 09:57:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster
 NDR + Queen's Coronation
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As a mere stripling of 78 I hardly expected to know many names on these lists but one that stood out for me (and I imagine for many TVC Sound men) was D.I.Gough on sheet one, Victoria Memorial location. Derek of course eventually became one of the sound managers in the triumvirate of himself, Sam & John John and looking back I remember him as easy going and agreeable. Apart from casual encounters in the course of the day-to-day, there were the occasions when he conducted my annual interview where relaxed, easy conversation seemed to be his hallmark.

I came with my family to London for the Coronation, staying with relatives in Battlebridge Road, Kings Cross (long demolished). Here I am with my sister and also father (just discernible behind the flags).

 

Another world ? I wrote a short piece for the Islington Tribune in 2012 (attached as a pdf).

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:59 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation

This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.

B



-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:  Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation 
      Date:  Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100 
      From:  Ravenscourt mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com 
      To:  bernard newnham mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 


Hi Bernie  
Any of your group know on this request 
Best wishes 
Albert 


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


  From: Nick Gilbey mailto:rndgilbey at gmail.com
  Date: 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
  To: Albert Barber mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
  Subject: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation


  ? Hello Albert  

  I received this email from Claire Walding  requesting information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.  Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.

  I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just wondered if you might be able to help her.

  Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook

  I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.

  Kind regards

  Nick

  Nick Gilbey
  Rndgilbey at gmail.com

  The Abbots House
  The Street 
  Charmouth
  Dorset
  DT6 6QF

  07831 219957


    Begin forwarded message:

    From: Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>

    Subject: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation

    Date: 23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST

    To: nick at mcr21.org.uk

    Cc: Rndgilbey at gmail.com


    Dear Nick Gilbey  
    Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the Broadcast Television Technology Trust. 

    To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953. 

    As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine! 

    It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
    Peter Ward
    D.R.G. Montague
    Don Mackay
    Stephen Wade 
    Max Robertson
    Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
    Peter Dimmock
    John Vernon
    Bob Hubbard
    Tony Bridgewater
    Jack T P Robinson


    I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426

    FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: https://looks.film/en/

    I look forward to hearing from you.
    Kind regards
    Claire Walding.

  Nick Gilbey
  Rndgilbey at gmail.com

  The Abbots House
  The Street 
  Charmouth
  Dorset
  DT6 6QF

  07831 219957






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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jun 26 04:09:10 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 10:09:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +
 Queen's Coronation
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Me, aged 4. on Coronation day. With my grandmother and sister. We lived in a cul-de-sac near Heathrow and had a street party

? 
Graeme Wall




> On 26 Jun 2021, at 09:57, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> As a mere stripling of 78 I hardly expected to know many names on these lists but one that stood out for me (and I imagine for many TVC Sound men) was D.I.Gough on sheet one, Victoria Memorial location. Derek of course eventually became one of the sound managers in the triumvirate of himself, Sam & John John and looking back I remember him as easy going and agreeable. Apart from casual encounters in the course of the day-to-day, there were the occasions when he conducted my annual interview where relaxed, easy conversation seemed to be his hallmark.
>  
> I came with my family to London for the Coronation, staying with relatives in Battlebridge Road, Kings Cross (long demolished). Here I am with my sister and also father (just discernible behind the flags).
>  
> <Coronation%20June%201953%20Battlebridge%20Road,%20Kings%20Cross[3].jpg> 
>  
> Another world ? I wrote a short piece for the Islington Tribune in 2012 (attached as a pdf).
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:59 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>  
> This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
> Date:	Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100
> From:	Ravenscourt mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
> To:	bernard newnham mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
> 
> 
> Hi Bernie 
> Any of your group know on this request
> Best wishes
> Albert 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Nick Gilbey mailto:rndgilbey at gmail.com
>> Date: 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
>> To: Albert Barber mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
>> Subject: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>> 
>> ? Hello Albert 
>>  
>> I received this email from Claire Walding  requesting information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.  Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.
>>  
>> I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just wondered if you might be able to help her.
>>  
>> Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook
>>  
>> I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.
>>  
>> Kind regards
>>  
>> Nick
>>  
>> Nick Gilbey
>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>  
>> The Abbots House
>> The Street
>> Charmouth
>> Dorset
>> DT6 6QF
>>  
>> 07831 219957
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>  
>>> From: Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>> Date: 23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST
>>> To: nick at mcr21.org.uk
>>> Cc: Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>  
>>> Dear Nick Gilbey 
>>> Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.
>>>  
>>> To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953.
>>>  
>>> As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine!
>>>  
>>> It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
>>> Peter Ward
>>> D.R.G. Montague
>>> Don Mackay
>>> Stephen Wade
>>> Max Robertson
>>> Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
>>> Peter Dimmock
>>> John Vernon
>>> Bob Hubbard
>>> Tony Bridgewater
>>> Jack T P Robinson
>>>  
>>> I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426
>>>  
>>> FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: https://looks.film/en/
>>>  
>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Claire Walding.
>>  
>> Nick Gilbey
>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>  
>> The Abbots House
>> The Street <P1010616.jpeg>
>> Charmouth<P1010615.jpeg>
>> Dorset<P1010614.jpeg>
>> DT6 6QF<P1010617.jpeg>
>>  
>> 07831 219957
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
> 
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 26 06:36:44 2021
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 12:36:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +
 Queen's Coronation
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Delighted to say that Willy Cave is with us and would be pleased to 
contribute on the NDR enquiry.

Among his claims to fame are having competed as a navigator/driver in 
the Monte Carlo Rally since the '50s and as recently as 2018 in the 
'Historique' revivals - aged 91 - and in our sphere as 
producer-cameraman-reporter on the Grosvenor Square riots of 1968, 
putting Sony's own ENG resources to use fir the BBC for the first time.

Despite a heart set-back last year, Willy is cogent and willing. He is 
best contacted by email as per the cc. Would whoever is in touch with 
NDR follow this up - and please keep me in the loop.

Bestregs

Hugh

On 26-Jun-21 9:55 AM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Some of my former colleagues who are better with names will doubtless 
> remember more people than I do, but at least twenty of the names on 
> that list are of people who I regularly worked with and spent 
> considerable time socialising with, but I can't actually remember any 
> of them talking about their role in the Coronation broadcast ( except 
> for one of my favourite engineers, Ralph Parrott, who told me about 
> some of his many ingenious inventions ).
>
> Looking at the sheet, the young lads performing junior roles included 
> people like Ron Chown and Bert Oaten, with Clive Potter as general 
> assistant. All of them went on to be OB Engineering Managers. The more 
> responsible positions included many people who went on to take up 
> senior management roles in later years. ?It's also very typical of the 
> BBC in those days that men are referred to as X.Y.Z Smith, while women 
> are referred to as Miss Smith or Mrs Jones.
>
> When you look at that call sheet with countless talented people 
> working on what was the world's biggest OB at that time, it's 
> saddening to think how few of their personal memories have been 
> recorded for posterity and yet the Coronation is one of the most 
> widely documented OBs of all time. Those of us who have enjoyed a long 
> career in television should ensure that our recollections are 
> preserved for posterity, either on here, or on some of the other 
> British TV history sites. ?We might have been too young to work on the 
> Coronation and most of us will be too old to work on the next one, but 
> we've all done a hell of a lot of amazing shows which others might 
> like to know about.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
> On 26 Jun 2021, at 26 Jun . 08:51, Hugh Sheppard 
> <hughsheppard at btinternet.com <mailto:hughsheppard at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> One name leapt out to me from this NDR enquiry; that of W. S. (Willy) 
>> Cave.? I'd last seen him, still going strong-ish at a BBCPA AGM, 
>> probably in 2019.
>>
>> I'd not want to 'go public' on the email exchange until we know if 
>> he's still with us, but I will try a phone call to him later this 
>> morning.
>>
>> Getting in touch with Dave Hume seems a good idea - and incidentally, 
>> Arthur (Ace) Reed came to Crew 6 in Studios from OBs as a No.2 in 
>> Z-Cars days probably in 1963 or 4.? It was some time b4 he was promoted.
>>
>> Bestregs
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On 25-Jun-21 4:33 PM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Well there?s certainly a lot of familiar and indeed legendary names 
>>> on that sheet, but it?s hard to imagine that any of them might still 
>>> be with us. ?Obviously the senior people would most likely have been 
>>> maybe 40 - 50 at the time and it?s nearly 70 years since then, so of 
>>> any of them were still living, we would know about them via the 
>>> Guiness Book of Records. ?I looked at the more junior 
>>> responsibilities as they would have mostly been the younger people 
>>> and more likely to still be around. ?For instance Ron Chown was a 
>>> maintenance engineer and he retired a hell of a long time ago.
>>>
>>> If there was a young lad in his twenties working on the event, he 
>>> would be well into his nineties these days. ?It?s a possibility that 
>>> they have survived, but I don?t know of any likely candidates.
>>>
>>> Has anybody tried asking Dave Hume of the Telobians? ?He maintains a 
>>> list of ex-OB people in connection with the staff reunions and 
>>> occasionally announces births, marriages and deaths; rather 
>>> predictably, mostly the latter.
>>>
>>> Alan Taylor
>>>
>>>> On 24 Jun 2021, at 20:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about 
>>>> making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject: 	Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + 
>>>> Queen's Coronation
>>>> Date: 	Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100
>>>> From: 	Ravenscourt <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
>>>> To: 	bernard newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bernie
>>>> Any of your group know on this request
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Albert
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Nick Gilbey <rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Date:* 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
>>>>> *To:* Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* *Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + 
>>>>> Queen's Coronation*
>>>>>
>>>>> ? Hello Albert
>>>>>
>>>>> I received this email from Claire Walding ?requesting information 
>>>>> about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be 
>>>>> difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list 
>>>>> she sent me are no longer with us. ?Paul Fox, who I interviewed 
>>>>> last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day 
>>>>> programme together using the telerecording material and BBC 
>>>>> newsreel footage.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just 
>>>>> wondered if you might be able to help her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook
>>>>>
>>>>> I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com <mailto:Rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Abbots House
>>>>> The Street
>>>>> Charmouth
>>>>> Dorset
>>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>>>
>>>>> 07831 219957
>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:clairepwalding at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> *Subject: **Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + 
>>>>>> Queen's Coronation*
>>>>>> *Date: *23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST
>>>>>> *To: *nick at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Rndgilbey at gmail.com <mailto:Rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Nick Gilbey
>>>>>> Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for 
>>>>>> information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the 
>>>>>> Broadcast Television Technology Trust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To give you the background, I am directing a film for German 
>>>>>> national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. 
>>>>>> Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the 
>>>>>> Coronation in 1953.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation 
>>>>>> and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from 
>>>>>> the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - 
>>>>>> to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one 
>>>>>> or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with 
>>>>>> us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that 
>>>>>> appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
>>>>>> Peter Ward
>>>>>> D.R.G. Montague
>>>>>> Don Mackay
>>>>>> Stephen Wade
>>>>>> Max Robertson
>>>>>> Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
>>>>>> Peter Dimmock
>>>>>> John Vernon
>>>>>> Bob Hubbard
>>>>>> Tony Bridgewater
>>>>>> Jack T P Robinson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be 
>>>>>> appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 
>>>>>> 321426
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is 
>>>>>> called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: 
>>>>>> https://looks.film/en/ <https://looks.film/en/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> Claire Walding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com <mailto:Rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Abbots House
>>>>> The Street
>>>>> <P1010616.jpeg>
>>>>> Charmouth
>>>>> <P1010615.jpeg>
>>>>> Dorset
>>>>> <P1010614.jpeg>
>>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>>> <P1010617.jpeg>
>>>>>
>>>>> 07831 219957
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 09:34:51 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 15:34:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] for amusement
In-Reply-To: <2cd93156-ffa9-ef3b-7501-7c0d6740d22b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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On a faintly allied subject, the other day I needed the use of a doctor 
at short notice. Nothing major at all, just a prescription (all my 
medical records available at google.com/bernies_records).? I looked 
online for an appointment at the surgery, and the first offer was by 
telephone in a week's time.

There are huge adverts in the surgery for Livi, and I've had the app on 
the phone for some time, but haven't touched it. Now I thought I'd give 
it a try. I ran it and had to go through a few one off security things - 
photograph my drivers licence (or passport), do a selfie - "head in the 
oval please". Answer some pertinent questions.? Then I had to wait for a 
short while to be verified.?? After a while it said "You'll see a doctor 
in thirty minutes". It was actually about forty, but then I was in a 
video phone conversation with a lady doctor, who fixed me up in no time 
at all.

Livi emailed me the prescription. It says on it "not a prescription at 
all in any way" but it has a bar code down the side and she said "any 
pharmacy"? The upshot was that two hours after I'd started I had what I 
needed.

A bit later I emailed a friend, who though technical, resists these 
new-fangled smartphones. "Try that on your Nokia".

B



On 24/06/2021 14:54, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune for a scaffold board to 
> break underneath me when I was working on the renovation of an ancient 
> barn. Being incompetent at flying I descended with the regulation 
> acceleration due to gravity upon my 80kg mass. The destination was a 
> cobbled floor, but I was saved from meeting that too quickly by a 
> firmly fixed horizontal scaffold pole that decided to join in the fun.
>
> The net result was some broken ribs and knobbles off my spine, and 
> what is politely called blunt force trauma on some of the internal 
> bits. Fear not, I'm trotting around perfectly happily, but the news 
> went round to many friends, who all sent lovely cards.
>
> The standard version was one wishing me something like "get well soon" 
> and a paragraph of kindly words, but the one I valued most was from a 
> retired physio-lady friend - a beautiful photo of an old, mossy 
> branch, with a broken end, and the hand-written wording inside - "Bet 
> that bloody hurt"!
>
> Chris Woolf
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 09:43:29 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 15:43:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sort of admin
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Hi All

Just a note about current stuff.?? A lady - Claire Walding 
(clairepwalding at gmail.com) asked about Coronation stuff. A number of 
people have replied, but as far as I can see, only to this mailing list, 
which she isn't on, so she won't see what you said, helpful as it is. We 
get asked stuff reasonably often. If I can't answer it, I try to pass it 
of to those who might know, but I'm not a return feed. If you can help 
the lady, or anyone else, please email them direct, copy to tech1.

Also - stuff you say on this list isn't being archived, not since Alec 
Bray retired after a good number of years of excellent work. So what we 
need is a new archivist.

cheers

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jun 26 15:31:46 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 21:31:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +
 Queen's Coronation
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Minor correction - there were four Sound Managers - Sam Hutchings was the LE manager, so there were six managers in total - those four, plus H.Tel.Sound and Sound Organiser, John Lightfoot, with three or four secretaries between them, plus three allocators and that structure was essentially repeated for each of Cameras and Vision. Then of course there was Studio Management, looking after Vision Mixers and Floor Managers - talk about top-heavy!

Mike G

> On 26 Jun 2021, at 12:37, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Delighted to say that Willy Cave is with us and would be pleased to contribute on the NDR enquiry.
> 
> Among his claims to fame are having competed as a navigator/driver in the Monte Carlo Rally since the '50s and as recently as 2018 in the 'Historique' revivals - aged 91 - and in our sphere as producer-cameraman-reporter on the Grosvenor Square riots of 1968, putting Sony's own ENG resources to use fir the BBC for the first time. 
> 
> Despite a heart set-back last year, Willy is cogent and willing.  He is best contacted by email as per the cc. Would whoever is in touch with NDR follow this up - and please keep me in the loop.
> 
> Bestregs
> 
> Hugh 
> 
> On 26-Jun-21 9:55 AM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Some of my former colleagues who are better with names will doubtless remember more people than I do, but at least twenty of the names on that list are of people who I regularly worked with and spent considerable time socialising with, but I can't actually remember any of them talking about their role in the Coronation broadcast ( except for one of my favourite engineers, Ralph Parrott, who told me about some of his many ingenious inventions ). 
>> 
>> Looking at the sheet, the young lads performing junior roles included people like Ron Chown and Bert Oaten, with Clive Potter as general assistant. All of them went on to be OB Engineering Managers. The more responsible positions included many people who went on to take up senior management roles in later years.  It's also very typical of the BBC in those days that men are referred to as X.Y.Z Smith, while women are referred to as Miss Smith or Mrs Jones.
>> 
>> When you look at that call sheet with countless talented people working on what was the world's biggest OB at that time, it's saddening to think how few of their personal memories have been recorded for posterity and yet the Coronation is one of the most widely documented OBs of all time. Those of us who have enjoyed a long career in television should ensure that our recollections are preserved for posterity, either on here, or on some of the other British TV history sites.  We might have been too young to work on the Coronation and most of us will be too old to work on the next one, but we've all done a hell of a lot of amazing shows which others might like to know about.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 Jun 2021, at 26 Jun . 08:51, Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> One name leapt out to me from this NDR enquiry; that of W. S. (Willy) Cave.  I'd last seen him, still going strong-ish at a BBCPA AGM, probably in 2019.
>>> 
>>> I'd not want to 'go public' on the email exchange until we know if he's still with us, but I will try a phone call to him later this morning.
>>> 
>>> Getting in touch with Dave Hume seems a good idea - and incidentally, Arthur (Ace) Reed came to Crew 6 in Studios from OBs as a No.2 in Z-Cars days probably in 1963 or 4.  It was some time b4 he was promoted. 
>>> 
>>> Bestregs
>>> 
>>> Hugh 
>>> 
>>> On 25-Jun-21 4:33 PM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Well there?s certainly a lot of familiar and indeed legendary names on that sheet, but it?s hard to imagine that any of them might still be with us.  Obviously the senior people would most likely have been maybe 40 - 50 at the time and it?s nearly 70 years since then, so of any of them were still living, we would know about them via the Guiness Book of Records.  I looked at the more junior responsibilities as they would have mostly been the younger people and more likely to still be around.  For instance Ron Chown was a maintenance engineer and he retired a hell of a long time ago.  
>>>> 
>>>> If there was a young lad in his twenties working on the event, he would be well into his nineties these days.  It?s a possibility that they have survived, but I don?t know of any likely candidates. 
>>>> 
>>>> Has anybody tried asking Dave Hume of the Telobians?  He maintains a list of ex-OB people in connection with the staff reunions and occasionally announces births, marriages and deaths; rather predictably, mostly the latter.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2021, at 20:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ? This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject:	Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>>>> Date:	Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100
>>>>> From:	Ravenscourt <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
>>>>> To:	bernard newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Bernie 
>>>>> Any of your group know on this request 
>>>>> Best wishes 
>>>>> Albert 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Nick Gilbey <rndgilbey at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
>>>>>> To: Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ? Hello Albert 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I received this email from Claire Walding  requesting information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.  Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just wondered if you might be able to help her.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Abbots House
>>>>>> The Street 
>>>>>> Charmouth
>>>>>> Dorset
>>>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 07831 219957
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>>>>>> Date: 23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST
>>>>>>> To: nick at mcr21.org.uk
>>>>>>> Cc: Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear Nick Gilbey 
>>>>>>> Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the Broadcast Television Technology Trust. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and technical                                         expertise. There are many great stories too - from the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine! 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
>>>>>>> Peter Ward
>>>>>>> D.R.G. Montague
>>>>>>> Don Mackay
>>>>>>> Stephen Wade 
>>>>>>> Max Robertson
>>>>>>> Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
>>>>>>> Peter Dimmock
>>>>>>> John Vernon
>>>>>>> Bob Hubbard
>>>>>>> Tony Bridgewater
>>>>>>> Jack T P Robinson
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: https://looks.film/en/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>> Claire Walding.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Abbots House
>>>>>> The Street 
>>>>>> <P1010616.jpeg>
>>>>>> Charmouth
>>>>>> <P1010615.jpeg>
>>>>>> Dorset
>>>>>> <P1010614.jpeg>
>>>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>>>> <P1010617.jpeg>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 07831 219957
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun 26 16:24:29 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 22:24:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +
 Queen's Coronation
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Nice point Mike ? remember it well but I was distinguishing the triumvirate whose job title incorporated the word manager from Des Browning, John Lightfoot, Peter Wyneman (probably spelt that wrong!) et al who rejoiced in other titles. How right you are ? there was hardly a more top heavy management structure anywhere that I ever encountered. Des Browning used to refer to me as the human skeleton just to cheer me up for looking thin and gaunt.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Mike Giles via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 9:31 PM
To: Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation

Minor correction - there were four Sound Managers - Sam Hutchings was the LE manager, so there were six managers in total - those four, plus H.Tel.Sound and Sound Organiser, John Lightfoot, with three or four secretaries between them, plus three allocators and that structure was essentially repeated for each of Cameras and Vision. Then of course there was Studio Management, looking after Vision Mixers and Floor Managers - talk about top-heavy!

Mike G


  On 26 Jun 2021, at 12:37, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? Delighted to say that Willy Cave is with us and would be pleased to contribute on the NDR enquiry.

  Among his claims to fame are having competed as a navigator/driver in the Monte Carlo Rally since the '50s and as recently as 2018 in the 'Historique' revivals - aged 91 - and in our sphere as producer-cameraman-reporter on the Grosvenor Square riots of 1968, putting Sony's own ENG resources to use fir the BBC for the first time. 

  Despite a heart set-back last year, Willy is cogent and willing.  He is best contacted by email as per the cc. Would whoever is in touch with NDR follow this up - and please keep me in the loop.

  Bestregs

  Hugh 


  On 26-Jun-21 9:55 AM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

    Some of my former colleagues who are better with names will doubtless remember more people than I do, but at least twenty of the names on that list are of people who I regularly worked with and spent considerable time socialising with, but I can't actually remember any of them talking about their role in the Coronation broadcast ( except for one of my favourite engineers, Ralph Parrott, who told me about some of his many ingenious inventions ).  

    Looking at the sheet, the young lads performing junior roles included people like Ron Chown and Bert Oaten, with Clive Potter as general assistant. All of them went on to be OB Engineering Managers. The more responsible positions included many people who went on to take up senior management roles in later years.  It's also very typical of the BBC in those days that men are referred to as X.Y.Z Smith, while women are referred to as Miss Smith or Mrs Jones.

    When you look at that call sheet with countless talented people working on what was the world's biggest OB at that time, it's saddening to think how few of their personal memories have been recorded for posterity and yet the Coronation is one of the most widely documented OBs of all time. Those of us who have enjoyed a long career in television should ensure that our recollections are preserved for posterity, either on here, or on some of the other British TV history sites.  We might have been too young to work on the Coronation and most of us will be too old to work on the next one, but we've all done a hell of a lot of amazing shows which others might like to know about.

    Alan Taylor



    On 26 Jun 2021, at 26 Jun . 08:51, Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com> wrote:


      Dear all,

      One name leapt out to me from this NDR enquiry; that of W. S. (Willy) Cave.  I'd last seen him, still going strong-ish at a BBCPA AGM, probably in 2019.

      I'd not want to 'go public' on the email exchange until we know if he's still with us, but I will try a phone call to him later this morning.

      Getting in touch with Dave Hume seems a good idea - and incidentally, Arthur (Ace) Reed came to Crew 6 in Studios from OBs as a No.2 in Z-Cars days probably in 1963 or 4.  It was some time b4 he was promoted. 

      Bestregs

      Hugh 


      On 25-Jun-21 4:33 PM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

        Well there?s certainly a lot of familiar and indeed legendary names on that sheet, but it?s hard to imagine that any of them might still be with us.  Obviously the senior people would most likely have been maybe 40 - 50 at the time and it?s nearly 70 years since then, so of any of them were still living, we would know about them via the Guiness Book of Records.  I looked at the more junior responsibilities as they would have mostly been the younger people and more likely to still be around.  For instance Ron Chown was a maintenance engineer and he retired a hell of a long time ago.  

        If there was a young lad in his twenties working on the event, he would be well into his nineties these days.  It?s a possibility that they have survived, but I don?t know of any likely candidates. 

        Has anybody tried asking Dave Hume of the Telobians?  He maintains a list of ex-OB people in connection with the staff reunions and occasionally announces births, marriages and deaths; rather predictably, mostly the latter.

        Alan Taylor


          On 24 Jun 2021, at 20:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:


          ? This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.

          B



          -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:  Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation 
                Date:  Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100 
                From:  Ravenscourt mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com 
                To:  bernard newnham mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 


          Hi Bernie  
          Any of your group know on this request 
          Best wishes 
          Albert 


          Sent from my iPhone

          Begin forwarded message:


            From: Nick Gilbey mailto:rndgilbey at gmail.com
            Date: 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
            To: Albert Barber mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
            Subject: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation


            ? Hello Albert  

            I received this email from Claire Walding  requesting information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.  Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.

            I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just wondered if you might be able to help her.

            Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook

            I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.

            Kind regards

            Nick

            Nick Gilbey
            Rndgilbey at gmail.com

            The Abbots House
            The Street 
            Charmouth
            Dorset
            DT6 6QF

            07831 219957


              Begin forwarded message:

              From: Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>

              Subject: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation

              Date: 23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST

              To: nick at mcr21.org.uk

              Cc: Rndgilbey at gmail.com


              Dear Nick Gilbey  
              Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the Broadcast Television Technology Trust. 

              To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953. 

              As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine! 

              It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
              Peter Ward
              D.R.G. Montague
              Don Mackay
              Stephen Wade 
              Max Robertson
              Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
              Peter Dimmock
              John Vernon
              Bob Hubbard
              Tony Bridgewater
              Jack T P Robinson


              I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426

              FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: https://looks.film/en/

              I look forward to hearing from you.
              Kind regards
              Claire Walding.

            Nick Gilbey
            Rndgilbey at gmail.com

            The Abbots House
            The Street  
            <P1010616.jpeg>
            Charmouth 
            <P1010615.jpeg>
            Dorset 
            <P1010614.jpeg>
            DT6 6QF 
            <P1010617.jpeg>

            07831 219957




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 26 22:41:21 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 04:41:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster
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I also spotted Derek Gough. I got on well with him, when he occupied a desk in the Sound Office TVC. He allowed me to borrow a pair of C28?s to record an amateur musical that my group of youngsters put on during the summer holidays.
I was chuffed to be trusted. My uncle supplied his caravan as an MCR ? Mike McCarthy loaned a Vortexion mixer and I deprived my parents of their TV, as Nick Ware had cleverly built a TV camera to give a view of the stage.

As far as the Coronation went, my folks and I went to stay with my uncle in Potters Bar, as they had a TV, 9? CRT in quite a large cabinet, so I watched the broadcast. I would have been 11 at that time, I remember making a wooden sword, which I draped in red, white and blue crepe paper.
Much later, I worked freelance with a sound recordist (John Woodward, I think his name was, who had been involved at one of the OB positions). I expect long gone, now.
Regards
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR+ Queen's Coronation

As a mere stripling of 78 I hardly expected to know many names on these lists but one that stood out for me (and I imagine for many TVC Sound men) was D.I.Gough on sheet one, Victoria Memorial location. Derek of course eventually became one of the sound managers in the triumvirate of himself, Sam & John John and looking back I remember him as easy going and agreeable. Apart from casual encounters in the course of the day-to-day, there were the occasions when he conducted my annual interview where relaxed, easy conversation seemed to be his hallmark.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 26 23:03:50 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 05:03:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this - there's more!
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I would have guessed that it was directed by Maggie Dale ? confirmed by the Genome entry. Not the TVT though as the Mole there had an ?anti roll-bar? behind the cameraman to avoid decapitation if tracked too far back under the circle balcony!
I worked many times for Maggie Dale ? once recording an audio interview with Frederick Ashton. It was necessary to reduce a 1 ? hr I/V down to 15 mins, so I cut out all unnecessary pauses. However, Ashton had an unusual speech pattern, taking breath pauses where one did not expect ? having edited out these, it wasn?t him anymore! So had to replace some of these, to maintain his characteristic delivery.
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Sent: 25 June 2021 20:38
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone recognise this - there's more!

I don't remember this Firebird, Geoff.? I note that the genome dates it to 1965, and I was away from Crew 2 by then. (In April 1965 I joined Crew 4 as Camera 3, having previously been on the Camera Pool.)? I was certainly on Crew 2 in 1963, but I'm not sure what my status was by late December.? Mike Minchin
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I wondered if it was the Firebird as I worked on it when I was on Crew 2 at that time and vaguely recognised it. It was done in TC1. It would?ve been Frank Wilkins on the Mole and Clive Halls would?ve been the swinger. I tracked Bob Coles on a Heron. He was Frank?s no 2 and Geoff Feld was the no. 3. I?m pretty certain that Mike Minchin was there too as no. 4,
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Subject: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +
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Ah yes, Peter Wineman, (Sound Organiser), the one-eyed boom operator! So 
useful for judging depth of field and putting the mic in the right 
place! Hence his rapid elevation from the ranks. He played cello in the 
Guards orchestra at receptions in Buck. House. He disappeared without 
trace AFAIK. I know that Jack Sudic, a Jewish colleague of his, died 
having separated from his wife. 'Sic transit' Gloria ....? whoops, 
there's my nick-name again (given to me by the Sports AP, Sharon Lence!) 
Now that's something you didn't know! Cheers, Dave.

On 26/06/2021 22:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Nice point Mike ? remember it well but I was distinguishing the 
> triumvirate whose job title incorporated the word manager from Des 
> Browning, John Lightfoot, Peter Wyneman (probably spelt that wrong!) 
> et al who rejoiced in other titles. How right you are ? there was 
> hardly a more top heavy management structure anywhere that I ever 
> encountered. Des Browning used to refer to me as the human skeleton 
> just to cheer me up for looking thin and gaunt.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Mike Giles via Tech1
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 26, 2021 9:31 PM
> *To:* Tech Ops
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster 
> NDR + Queen's Coronation
> Minor correction - there were four Sound Managers - Sam Hutchings was 
> the LE manager, so there were six managers in total - those four, plus 
> H.Tel.Sound and Sound Organiser, John Lightfoot, with three or four 
> secretaries between them, plus three allocators and that structure was 
> essentially repeated for each of Cameras and Vision. Then of course 
> there was Studio Management, looking after Vision Mixers and Floor 
> Managers - talk about top-heavy!
> Mike G
>
>> On 26 Jun 2021, at 12:37, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? Delighted to say that Willy Cave is with us and would be pleased to 
>> contribute on the NDR enquiry.
>>
>> Among his claims to fame are having competed as a navigator/driver in 
>> the Monte Carlo Rally since the '50s and as recently as 2018 in the 
>> 'Historique' revivals - aged 91 - and in our sphere as 
>> producer-cameraman-reporter on the Grosvenor Square riots of 1968, 
>> putting Sony's own ENG resources to use fir the BBC for the first time.
>>
>> Despite a heart set-back last year, Willy is cogent and willing.? He 
>> is best contacted by email as per the cc. Would whoever is in touch 
>> with NDR follow this up - and please keep me in the loop.
>>
>> Bestregs
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On 26-Jun-21 9:55 AM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Some of my former colleagues who are better with names will 
>>> doubtless remember more people than I do, but at least twenty of the 
>>> names on that list are of people who I regularly worked with and 
>>> spent considerable time socialising with, but I can't actually 
>>> remember any of them talking about their role in the Coronation 
>>> broadcast ( except for one of my favourite engineers, Ralph Parrott, 
>>> who told me about some of his many ingenious inventions ).
>>> Looking at the sheet, the young lads performing junior roles 
>>> included people like Ron Chown and Bert Oaten, with Clive Potter as 
>>> general assistant. All of them went on to be OB Engineering 
>>> Managers. The more responsible positions included many people who 
>>> went on to take up senior management roles in later years.? It's 
>>> also very typical of the BBC in those days that men are referred to 
>>> as X.Y.Z Smith, while women are referred to as Miss Smith or Mrs Jones.
>>> When you look at that call sheet with countless talented people 
>>> working on what was the world's biggest OB at that time, it's 
>>> saddening to think how few of their personal memories have been 
>>> recorded for posterity and yet the Coronation is one of the most 
>>> widely documented OBs of all time. Those of us who have enjoyed a 
>>> long career in television should ensure that our recollections are 
>>> preserved for posterity, either on here, or on some of the other 
>>> British TV history sites.? We might have been too young to work on 
>>> the Coronation and most of us will be too old to work on the next 
>>> one, but we've all done a hell of a lot of amazing shows which 
>>> others might like to know about.
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> On 26 Jun 2021, at 26 Jun . 08:51, Hugh Sheppard 
>>> <hughsheppard at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> One name leapt out to me from this NDR enquiry; that of W. S. 
>>>> (Willy) Cave.? I'd last seen him, still going strong-ish at a BBCPA 
>>>> AGM, probably in 2019.
>>>>
>>>> I'd not want to 'go public' on the email exchange until we know if 
>>>> he's still with us, but I will try a phone call to him later this 
>>>> morning.
>>>>
>>>> Getting in touch with Dave Hume seems a good idea - and 
>>>> incidentally, Arthur (Ace) Reed came to Crew 6 in Studios from OBs 
>>>> as a No.2 in Z-Cars days probably in 1963 or 4.? It was some time 
>>>> b4 he was promoted.
>>>>
>>>> Bestregs
>>>>
>>>> Hugh
>>>>
>>>> On 25-Jun-21 4:33 PM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Well there?s certainly a lot of familiar and indeed legendary 
>>>>> names on that sheet, but it?s hard to imagine that any of them 
>>>>> might still be with us. Obviously the senior people would most 
>>>>> likely have been maybe 40 - 50 at the time and it?s nearly 70 
>>>>> years since then, so of any of them were still living, we would 
>>>>> know about them via the Guiness Book of Records.? I looked at the 
>>>>> more junior responsibilities as they would have mostly been the 
>>>>> younger people and more likely to still be around.? For instance 
>>>>> Ron Chown was a maintenance engineer and he retired a hell of a 
>>>>> long time ago.
>>>>> If there was a young lad in his twenties working on the event, he 
>>>>> would be well into his nineties these days.? It?s a possibility 
>>>>> that they have survived, but I don?t know of any likely candidates.
>>>>> Has anybody tried asking Dave Hume of the Telobians?? He maintains 
>>>>> a list of ex-OB people in connection with the staff reunions and 
>>>>> occasionally announces births, marriages and deaths; rather 
>>>>> predictably, mostly the latter.
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2021, at 20:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>>>>> mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about 
>>>>>> making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: 	Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + 
>>>>>> Queen's Coronation
>>>>>> Date: 	Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100
>>>>>> From: 	Ravenscourt mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
>>>>>> To: 	bernard newnham mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bernie
>>>>>> Any of your group know on this request
>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>> Albert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Nick Gilbey mailto:rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>> *Date:* 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
>>>>>>> *To:* Albert Barber mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* *Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR 
>>>>>>> + Queen's Coronation*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ? Hello Albert
>>>>>>> I received this email from Claire Walding? requesting 
>>>>>>> information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I 
>>>>>>> think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven 
>>>>>>> people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.? Paul Fox, 
>>>>>>> who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening 
>>>>>>> Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording 
>>>>>>> material and BBC newsreel footage.
>>>>>>> I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - 
>>>>>>> just wondered if you might be able to help her.
>>>>>>> Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook
>>>>>>> I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>> The Abbots House
>>>>>>> The Street
>>>>>>> Charmouth
>>>>>>> Dorset
>>>>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>>>>> 07831 219957
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>> *From: *Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Subject: **Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + 
>>>>>>>> Queen's Coronation*
>>>>>>>> *Date: *23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST
>>>>>>>> *To: *nick at mcr21.org.uk
>>>>>>>> *Cc: *Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Dear Nick Gilbey
>>>>>>>> Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request 
>>>>>>>> for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about 
>>>>>>>> the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.
>>>>>>>> To give you the background, I am directing a film for German 
>>>>>>>> national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. 
>>>>>>>> Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and 
>>>>>>>> the Coronation in 1953.
>>>>>>>> As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation 
>>>>>>>> and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - 
>>>>>>>> from the cameramen who were required to be small and 
>>>>>>>> inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle 
>>>>>>>> of wine!
>>>>>>>> It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to 
>>>>>>>> one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are 
>>>>>>>> still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an 
>>>>>>>> article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally 
>>>>>>>> printed in 1985:
>>>>>>>> Peter Ward
>>>>>>>> D.R.G. Montague
>>>>>>>> Don Mackay
>>>>>>>> Stephen Wade
>>>>>>>> Max Robertson
>>>>>>>> Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
>>>>>>>> Peter Dimmock
>>>>>>>> John Vernon
>>>>>>>> Bob Hubbard
>>>>>>>> Tony Bridgewater
>>>>>>>> Jack T P Robinson
>>>>>>>> I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be 
>>>>>>>> appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 
>>>>>>>> 07946 321426
>>>>>>>> FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is 
>>>>>>>> called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: 
>>>>>>>> https://looks.film/en/ <https://looks.film/en/>
>>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>> Claire Walding.
>>>>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>> The Abbots House
>>>>>>> The Street
>>>>>>> <P1010616.jpeg>
>>>>>>> Charmouth
>>>>>>> <P1010615.jpeg>
>>>>>>> Dorset
>>>>>>> <P1010614.jpeg>
>>>>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>>>>> <P1010617.jpeg>
>>>>>>> 07831 219957
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Jun 27 13:59:25 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 18:59:25 +0000
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I remember well the day we were told of Pete Wineman?s ?promotion? to Sound Organiser. Because of whom I was ?going out? with at the time I already knew about this, and must have been feeling over-confident. I recall seeing him newly established  in his 4029 (?) office and saying: ?Oh well, better the fool you know than the fool you don?t know!? To his credit, he saw the funny side, or at any rate, pretended to. I have to say, I quite liked him.
Then, another occasion: a party at his home. There was a door leading off the sitting room into the kitchen and from there, another door through the hallway and back into the other end of the sitting room. A continuous rotation of new arrivals accepting a glass of his homemade red wine. All then going out into the hallway, tipping the unpalatable red wine into a large plant pot in the hallway. I seem to recall him proudly proclaiming that his new wine batch was made with beetroot or some such unnecessity. I think the neighbourhood cats must have been peeing where they grew.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 27 Jun 2021, at 18:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Ah yes, Peter Wineman, (Sound Organiser), the one-eyed boom operator! So useful for judging depth of field and putting the mic in the right place! Hence his rapid elevation from the ranks. He played cello in the Guards orchestra at receptions in Buck. House. He disappeared without trace AFAIK. I know that Jack Sudic, a Jewish colleague of his, died having separated from his wife. 'Sic transit' Gloria ....  whoops, there's my nick-name again (given to me by the Sports AP, Sharon Lence!) Now that's something you didn't know! Cheers, Dave.


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 27 14:07:37 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:07:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Not politics
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Following recent events, my wife the church warden returned home this
morning to tell me that the curate had preached on "the empty lure of
sexual sin". At the end of the service she was talking to the organist, who
ended the conversation with "and don't commit adultery". "Too late", said
Pauline. "I'm on my second marriage, and so are both the readers".

Far more important, I think, than the doings of a "here today, gone
tomorrow, politician" is that someone videoed them and sold the result to a
newspaper. I'm sure that must contravene the official secrets act. If so
they should be taken to the Tower through Traitors Gate and beheaded. The
axe would of course need to be 2m long to observe social distancing.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 28 04:18:55 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 10:18:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Not politics
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Nice one, Bernie, although a 2m axe shaft would produce a fair amount of leverage, and make a clean cut in one swipe!
?My Wife, the Church Warden? has the ring of a sitcom?

I wonder if the Devil has a game show channel that runs a competition programme based on the 10 Commandments, i.e. the contestants score or lose points depending on how many of them they have transgressed!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_game_shows
provides titles that could be adapted!

(This is a Pat Heigham ?Waste of Time? lockdown programme!)

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 27 June 2021 20:08
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Not politics

Following recent events, my wife the church warden returned home this morning to tell me that the curate had preached on "the empty lure of sexual sin". At the end of the service she was talking to the organist, who ended the conversation with "and don't commit adultery". "Too late", said Pauline. "I'm on my second marriage, and so are both the readers".

Far more important, I think, than the doings of a "here today, gone tomorrow, politician" is that someone videoed them and sold the result to a newspaper. I'm sure that must contravene the official secrets act. If so they should be taken to the Tower through Traitors Gate and beheaded. The axe would of course need to be 2m long to observe social distancing.

B



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 28 04:29:33 2021
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 10:29:33 +0100
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I never knew that Pete Wineman was ocular deprived until I brought in my slide viewer having dabbled with stereoscopic photography. He said it wasn?t much good to him as he only had one eye!




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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 27 June 2021 18:18
To: David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +Queen's Coronation

Ah yes, Peter Wineman, (Sound Organiser), the one-eyed boom operator! So useful for judging depth of field and putting the mic in the right place! Hence his rapid elevation from the ranks. He played cello in the Guards orchestra at receptions in Buck. House. He disappeared without trace AFAIK. I know that Jack Sudic, a Jewish colleague of his, died having separated from his wife. Cheers, Dave.



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From Waresound at msn.com  Mon Jun 28 07:21:00 2021
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 12:21:00 +0000
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Sick and offensive.
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 28 Jun 2021, at 11:49, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

?
Now, Nick, I didn?t know that your relationship with a certain Mr. Cole got to that stage!

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I remember well the day we were told of Pete Wineman?s ?promotion? to Sound Organiser. Because of whom I was ?going out? with at the time



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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 08:22:58 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 14:22:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR
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Totally unnecessary and Very offensive.

Pat, you should be ashamed of yourself!

 

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Sick and offensive. 

N.

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Now, Nick, I didn?t know that your relationship with a certain Mr. Cole got to that stage!

 

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I remember well the day we were told of Pete Wineman?s ?promotion? to Sound Organiser. Because of whom I was ?going out? with at the time 

 

 

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Nick and DD - am I missing something here? If Pats remark about the stereo
viewer is offensive, why are Dave's remarks not so? Or is it some obscure
Sound Dept humour between old friends?
Puzzled of Norfolk. (Geoff F)

On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 at 14:23, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Totally unnecessary and Very offensive.
>
> Pat, you should be ashamed of yourself!
>
>
>
> *From:* Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Nick Ware via
> Tech1
> *Sent:* 28 June 2021 13:21
> *To:* patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR
> +Queen's Coronation
>
>
>
> Sick and offensive.
>
> N.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>
>
> On 28 Jun 2021, at 11:49, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Now, Nick, I didn?t know that your relationship with a certain Mr. Cole
> got to that stage!
>
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> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR
> +Queen's Coronation
>
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> I remember well the day we were told of Pete Wineman?s ?promotion? to
> Sound Organiser. Because of whom I was ?going out? with at the time
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 28 09:46:52 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 15:46:52 +0100
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Hi Dave et al,
	Sharon Lence told us that her nickname at school was ?Pesti?. 
We were all having an outing of our nicknames during a very boring Grandstand. Mine at school was ?Bridget" ?cos my initials BB were always on the front pages of the red tops referring of course to Bridget Bardot! 
Sharon called Sue Barker ?Chiefy?. She called me ?Barriolo??Not to mention Sue ?Basher? Boyd? Oh! I just did! ?Hoppo", "Mighty Mouse" etc?..
Barry.



On 27 Jun 2021, at 18:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Ah yes, Peter Wineman, (Sound Organiser), the one-eyed boom operator! So useful for judging depth of field and putting the mic in the right place! Hence his rapid elevation from the ranks. He played cello in the Guards orchestra at receptions in Buck. House. He disappeared without trace AFAIK. I know that Jack Sudic, a Jewish colleague of his, died having separated from his wife. 'Sic transit' Gloria ....  whoops, there's my nick-name again (given to me by the Sports AP, Sharon Lence!) Now that's something you didn't know! Cheers, Dave.
> On 26/06/2021 22:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Nice point Mike ? remember it well but I was distinguishing the triumvirate whose job title incorporated the word manager from Des Browning, John Lightfoot, Peter Wyneman (probably spelt that wrong!) et al who rejoiced in other titles. How right you are ? there was hardly a more top heavy management structure anywhere that I ever encountered. Des Browning used to refer to me as the human skeleton just to cheer me up for looking thin and gaunt.
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
>> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 9:31 PM
>> To: Tech Ops
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>  
>> Minor correction - there were four Sound Managers - Sam Hutchings was the LE manager, so there were six managers in total - those four, plus H.Tel.Sound and Sound Organiser, John Lightfoot, with three or four secretaries between them, plus three allocators and that structure was essentially repeated for each of Cameras and Vision. Then of course there was Studio Management, looking after Vision Mixers and Floor Managers - talk about top-heavy!
>>  
>> Mike G
>> 
>>> On 26 Jun 2021, at 12:37, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Delighted to say that Willy Cave is with us and would be pleased to contribute on the NDR enquiry.
>>> 
>>> Among his claims to fame are having competed as a navigator/driver in the Monte Carlo Rally since the '50s and as recently as 2018 in the 'Historique' revivals - aged 91 - and in our sphere as producer-cameraman-reporter on the Grosvenor Square riots of 1968, putting Sony's own ENG resources to use fir the BBC for the first time. 
>>> 
>>> Despite a heart set-back last year, Willy is cogent and willing.  He is best contacted by email as per the cc. Would whoever is in touch with NDR follow this up - and please keep me in the loop.
>>> 
>>> Bestregs
>>> 
>>> Hugh 
>>> 
>>> On 26-Jun-21 9:55 AM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Some of my former colleagues who are better with names will doubtless remember more people than I do, but at least twenty of the names on that list are of people who I regularly worked with and spent considerable time socialising with, but I can't actually remember any of them talking about their role in the Coronation broadcast ( except for one of my favourite engineers, Ralph Parrott, who told me about some of his many ingenious inventions ). 
>>>>  
>>>> Looking at the sheet, the young lads performing junior roles included people like Ron Chown and Bert Oaten, with Clive Potter as general assistant. All of them went on to be OB Engineering Managers. The more responsible positions included many people who went on to take up senior management roles in later years.  It's also very typical of the BBC in those days that men are referred to as X.Y.Z Smith, while women are referred to as Miss Smith or Mrs Jones.
>>>>  
>>>> When you look at that call sheet with countless talented people working on what was the world's biggest OB at that time, it's saddening to think how few of their personal memories have been recorded for posterity and yet the Coronation is one of the most widely documented OBs of all time. Those of us who have enjoyed a long career in television should ensure that our recollections are preserved for posterity, either on here, or on some of the other British TV history sites.  We might have been too young to work on the Coronation and most of us will be too old to work on the next one, but we've all done a hell of a lot of amazing shows which others might like to know about.
>>>>  
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> On 26 Jun 2021, at 26 Jun . 08:51, Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> One name leapt out to me from this NDR enquiry; that of W. S. (Willy) Cave.  I'd last seen him, still going strong-ish at a BBCPA AGM, probably in 2019.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd not want to 'go public' on the email exchange until we know if he's still with us, but I will try a phone call to him later this morning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Getting in touch with Dave Hume seems a good idea - and incidentally, Arthur (Ace) Reed came to Crew 6 in Studios from OBs as a No.2 in Z-Cars days probably in 1963 or 4.  It was some time b4 he was promoted. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bestregs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hugh 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 25-Jun-21 4:33 PM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Well there?s certainly a lot of familiar and indeed legendary names on that sheet, but it?s hard to imagine that any of them might still be with us.  Obviously the senior people would most likely have been maybe 40 - 50 at the time and it?s nearly 70 years since then, so of any of them were still living, we would know about them via the Guiness Book of Records.  I looked at the more junior responsibilities as they would have mostly been the younger people and more likely to still be around.  For instance Ron Chown was a maintenance engineer and he retired a hell of a long time ago. 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> If there was a young lad in his twenties working on the event, he would be well into his nineties these days.  It?s a possibility that they have survived, but I don?t know of any likely candidates.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Has anybody tried asking Dave Hume of the Telobians?  He maintains a list of ex-OB people in connection with the staff reunions and occasionally announces births, marriages and deaths; rather predictably, mostly the latter.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2021, at 20:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ? This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject:	Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>>>>>> Date:	Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100
>>>>>>> From:	Ravenscourt mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
>>>>>>> To:	bernard newnham mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Bernie 
>>>>>>> Any of your group know on this request
>>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>>> Albert 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Nick Gilbey mailto:rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Date: 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
>>>>>>>> To: Albert Barber mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ? Hello Albert 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> I received this email from Claire Walding  requesting information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.  Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just wondered if you might be able to help her.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>>>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> The Abbots House
>>>>>>>> The Street
>>>>>>>> Charmouth
>>>>>>>> Dorset
>>>>>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 07831 219957
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> From: Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation
>>>>>>>>> Date: 23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST
>>>>>>>>> To: nick at mcr21.org.uk
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Dear Nick Gilbey 
>>>>>>>>> Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine!
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
>>>>>>>>> Peter Ward
>>>>>>>>> D.R.G. Montague
>>>>>>>>> Don Mackay
>>>>>>>>> Stephen Wade
>>>>>>>>> Max Robertson
>>>>>>>>> Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
>>>>>>>>> Peter Dimmock
>>>>>>>>> John Vernon
>>>>>>>>> Bob Hubbard
>>>>>>>>> Tony Bridgewater
>>>>>>>>> Jack T P Robinson
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: https://looks.film/en/
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>> Claire Walding.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Nick Gilbey
>>>>>>>> Rndgilbey at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> The Abbots House
>>>>>>>> The Street 
>>>>>>>> <P1010616.jpeg>
>>>>>>>> Charmouth
>>>>>>>> <P1010615.jpeg>
>>>>>>>> Dorset
>>>>>>>> <P1010614.jpeg>
>>>>>>>> DT6 6QF
>>>>>>>> <P1010617.jpeg>
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>>>>>>>> 07831 219957
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>  
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 28 10:22:17 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 16:22:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR
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I'm puzzled too. Perhaps some posts haven't arrived here - which wouldn't
be unusual.


In article
<CAB99AB-x2pVXM1Sw8VurrvebM70sUoM=x0ni553tB2qCi2yEQw at mail.gmail.com>,
   Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Nick and DD - am I missing something here? If Pats remark about the stereo
> viewer is offensive, why are Dave's remarks not so? Or is it some obscure
> Sound Dept humour between old friends?
> Puzzled of Norfolk. (Geoff F)

> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 at 14:23, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:

> > Totally unnecessary and Very offensive.
> >
> > Pat, you should be ashamed of yourself!
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Nick Ware via
> > Tech1
> > *Sent:* 28 June 2021 13:21
> > *To:* patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR
> > +Queen's Coronation
> >
> >
> >
> > Sick and offensive.
> >
> > N.
> >
> > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> >
> >
> >
> > On 28 Jun 2021, at 11:49, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> >
> > #
> >
> > Now, Nick, I didn?t know that your relationship with a certain Mr. Cole
> > got to that stage!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows 10
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> >
> >
> > *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > *Sent: *27 June 2021 19:59
> > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR
> > +Queen's Coronation
> >
> >
> >
> > I remember well the day we were told of Pete Wineman?s ?promotion? to
> > Sound Organiser. Because of whom I was ?going out? with at the time
> >
> >
> >
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Mon Jun 28 11:21:36 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:21:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Church joke
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Having read Bernie's post about the comments made at her church, 
reminded me of a joke about the vicar who has his bike stolen.....

The following Sunday he decided to base his sermon on the Ten 
Commandments. Before the service he told Fred, his churchwarden, to keep 
an eye on the congregation during  his sermon particularly when he got 
to 'Thou Shall not steal', to see if anyone looked guilty.

At the end of the service, Fred came over and told him that no-one 
'squirmed' when he got to 'Thou Shalt Not Steal'.

'That's Ok Fred, when I got to 'Thou should not commit Adultery', I 
remembered where I had left it'


I told a friend of our who is training to be a Minister in the Church of 
Scotland this joke, and he had a good laugh.

Dave Buckley

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jun 28 11:46:26 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 16:46:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Church joke
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As a Vicar?s son, I can assure you that nothing in the Church is sacred. An American church organist friend of mine has the saying that: ?The closer you are to the Antenna, the worse the reception is?.
Which to me, sums it up nicely.

Back in the nineties we had a Dean at Guildford Cathedral, a larger than life character with a huge booming voice who, when in the pulpit preaching on a Sunday morning, liked to quietly throw in the word ?fuck!? occasionally to see who was still awake.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 28 Jun 2021, at 17:22, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Having read Bernie's post about the comments made at her church, reminded me of a joke about the vicar who has his bike stolen.....
> 
> The following Sunday he decided to base his sermon on the Ten Commandments. Before the service he told Fred, his churchwarden, to keep an eye on the congregation during  his sermon particularly when he got to 'Thou Shall not steal', to see if anyone looked guilty.
> 
> At the end of the service, Fred came over and told him that no-one 'squirmed' when he got to 'Thou Shalt Not Steal'.
> 
> 'That's Ok Fred, when I got to 'Thou should not commit Adultery', I remembered where I had left it'
> 
> 
> I told a friend of our who is training to be a Minister in the Church of Scotland this joke, and he had a good laugh.
> 
> Dave Buckley
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jun 28 14:37:40 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 20:37:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR +
 Queen's Coronation
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I?ve encountered a couple of families with the Barker surname and remember the patriarch always being referred to as the chief barker. Traditionally barkers worked to attract an audience to events ? something Sue did well enough to make her nickname appropriate!

Best to all,

Dave Newbitt

From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 3:46 PM
To: Dave Mundy 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; David Newbitt 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation

Hi Dave et al, 
Sharon Lence told us that her nickname at school was ?Pesti?. 
We were all having an outing of our nicknames during a very boring Grandstand. Mine at school was ?Bridget" ?cos my initials BB were always on the front pages of the red tops referring of course to Bridget Bardot! 
Sharon called Sue Barker ?Chiefy?. She called me ?Barriolo??Not to mention Sue ?Basher? Boyd? Oh! I just did! ?Hoppo", "Mighty Mouse" etc?..

Barry.




On 27 Jun 2021, at 18:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  Ah yes, Peter Wineman, (Sound Organiser), the one-eyed boom operator! So useful for judging depth of field and putting the mic in the right place! Hence his rapid elevation from the ranks. He played cello in the Guards orchestra at receptions in Buck. House. He disappeared without trace AFAIK. I know that Jack Sudic, a Jewish colleague of his, died having separated from his wife. 'Sic transit' Gloria ....  whoops, there's my nick-name again (given to me by the Sports AP, Sharon Lence!) Now that's something you didn't know! Cheers, Dave.


  On 26/06/2021 22:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

    Nice point Mike ? remember it well but I was distinguishing the triumvirate whose job title incorporated the word manager from Des Browning, John Lightfoot, Peter Wyneman (probably spelt that wrong!) et al who rejoiced in other titles. How right you are ? there was hardly a more top heavy management structure anywhere that I ever encountered. Des Browning used to refer to me as the human skeleton just to cheer me up for looking thin and gaunt.

    Dave Newbitt.

    From: Mike Giles via Tech1 
    Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 9:31 PM
    To: Tech Ops 
    Subject: Re: [Tech1] : Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation

    Minor correction - there were four Sound Managers - Sam Hutchings was the LE manager, so there were six managers in total - those four, plus H.Tel.Sound and Sound Organiser, John Lightfoot, with three or four secretaries between them, plus three allocators and that structure was essentially repeated for each of Cameras and Vision. Then of course there was Studio Management, looking after Vision Mixers and Floor Managers - talk about top-heavy!

    Mike G


      On 26 Jun 2021, at 12:37, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:


      ? Delighted to say that Willy Cave is with us and would be pleased to contribute on the NDR enquiry.

      Among his claims to fame are having competed as a navigator/driver in the Monte Carlo Rally since the '50s and as recently as 2018 in the 'Historique' revivals - aged 91 - and in our sphere as producer-cameraman-reporter on the Grosvenor Square riots of 1968, putting Sony's own ENG resources to use fir the BBC for the first time. 

      Despite a heart set-back last year, Willy is cogent and willing.  He is best contacted by email as per the cc. Would whoever is in touch with NDR follow this up - and please keep me in the loop.

      Bestregs

      Hugh 


      On 26-Jun-21 9:55 AM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

        Some of my former colleagues who are better with names will doubtless remember more people than I do, but at least twenty of the names on that list are of people who I regularly worked with and spent considerable time socialising with, but I can't actually remember any of them talking about their role in the Coronation broadcast ( except for one of my favourite engineers, Ralph Parrott, who told me about some of his many ingenious inventions ).  

        Looking at the sheet, the young lads performing junior roles included people like Ron Chown and Bert Oaten, with Clive Potter as general assistant. All of them went on to be OB Engineering Managers. The more responsible positions included many people who went on to take up senior management roles in later years.  It's also very typical of the BBC in those days that men are referred to as X.Y.Z Smith, while women are referred to as Miss Smith or Mrs Jones.

        When you look at that call sheet with countless talented people working on what was the world's biggest OB at that time, it's saddening to think how few of their personal memories have been recorded for posterity and yet the Coronation is one of the most widely documented OBs of all time. Those of us who have enjoyed a long career in television should ensure that our recollections are preserved for posterity, either on here, or on some of the other British TV history sites.  We might have been too young to work on the Coronation and most of us will be too old to work on the next one, but we've all done a hell of a lot of amazing shows which others might like to know about.

        Alan Taylor



        On 26 Jun 2021, at 26 Jun . 08:51, Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com> wrote:


          Dear all,

          One name leapt out to me from this NDR enquiry; that of W. S. (Willy) Cave.  I'd last seen him, still going strong-ish at a BBCPA AGM, probably in 2019.

          I'd not want to 'go public' on the email exchange until we know if he's still with us, but I will try a phone call to him later this morning.

          Getting in touch with Dave Hume seems a good idea - and incidentally, Arthur (Ace) Reed came to Crew 6 in Studios from OBs as a No.2 in Z-Cars days probably in 1963 or 4.  It was some time b4 he was promoted. 

          Bestregs

          Hugh 


          On 25-Jun-21 4:33 PM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

            Well there?s certainly a lot of familiar and indeed legendary names on that sheet, but it?s hard to imagine that any of them might still be with us.  Obviously the senior people would most likely have been maybe 40 - 50 at the time and it?s nearly 70 years since then, so of any of them were still living, we would know about them via the Guiness Book of Records.  I looked at the more junior responsibilities as they would have mostly been the younger people and more likely to still be around.  For instance Ron Chown was a maintenance engineer and he retired a hell of a long time ago.  

            If there was a young lad in his twenties working on the event, he would be well into his nineties these days.  It?s a possibility that they have survived, but I don?t know of any likely candidates. 

            Has anybody tried asking Dave Hume of the Telobians?  He maintains a list of ex-OB people in connection with the staff reunions and occasionally announces births, marriages and deaths; rather predictably, mostly the latter.

            Alan Taylor


              On 24 Jun 2021, at 20:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:


              ? This from Albert, but if you read a lot further down it's about making a doc about the coverage of the coronation, with a request.

              B



              -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:  Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation 
                    Date:  Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:29:01 +0100 
                    From:  Ravenscourt mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com 
                    To:  bernard newnham mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 


              Hi Bernie  
              Any of your group know on this request 
              Best wishes 
              Albert 


              Sent from my iPhone

              Begin forwarded message:


                From: Nick Gilbey mailto:rndgilbey at gmail.com
                Date: 24 June 2021 at 15:56:28 BST
                To: Albert Barber mailto:ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com
                Subject: Fwd: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation


                ? Hello Albert  

                I received this email from Claire Walding  requesting information about people who worked on the 1953 Coronation. I think it will be difficult to find anybody - I know that seven people on the list she sent me are no longer with us.  Paul Fox, who I interviewed last year, was involved. He put the evening Coronation Day programme together using the telerecording material and BBC newsreel footage.

                I have got a list of BBC TV people who worked on the TV OB - just wondered if you might be able to help her.

                Natasha has put out a notice on BBC Alumni plus facebook

                I have put the copies of the BBC 'call list for the day' below.

                Kind regards

                Nick

                Nick Gilbey
                Rndgilbey at gmail.com

                The Abbots House
                The Street 
                Charmouth
                Dorset
                DT6 6QF

                07831 219957


                  Begin forwarded message:

                  From: Claire Walding <clairepwalding at gmail.com>

                  Subject: Documentary for German National Broadcaster NDR + Queen's Coronation

                  Date: 23 June 2021 at 15:59:03 BST

                  To: nick at mcr21.org.uk

                  Cc: Rndgilbey at gmail.com


                  Dear Nick Gilbey  
                  Graeme McAlpine suggested I contact you. He?s seen a request for information I?d posted on the GTC Forum - and told me about the Broadcast Television Technology Trust. 

                  To give you the background, I am directing a film for German national broadcaster NDR, to mark the Queen?s 70th Anniversary. Our focus will be on the 16 months between the Accession and the Coronation in 1953. 

                  As we know, the Coronation OB was a major feat of organisation and technical expertise. There are many great stories too - from the cameramen who were required to be small and inconspicuous - to the BBC lunchbox that included half a bottle of wine! 

                  It?s not surprising therefore, that we would love to speak to one or two of the people involved in that day, if they are still with us. I have a number of names that I took from an article that appeared in the Guild?s magazine originally printed in 1985:
                  Peter Ward
                  D.R.G. Montague
                  Don Mackay
                  Stephen Wade 
                  Max Robertson
                  Tony ?Bud? Flanagan
                  Peter Dimmock
                  John Vernon
                  Bob Hubbard
                  Tony Bridgewater
                  Jack T P Robinson


                  I have no idea if you can help, but any information would be appreciated. Aside from this email, my telephone number is: 07946 321426

                  FYI, the production company engaged to make this documentary is called LOOKS Film. This is the link to the company website: https://looks.film/en/

                  I look forward to hearing from you.
                  Kind regards
                  Claire Walding.

                Nick Gilbey
                Rndgilbey at gmail.com

                The Abbots House
                The Street  
                <P1010616.jpeg>
                Charmouth 
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                Dorset 
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                DT6 6QF 
                <P1010617.jpeg>

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From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 23:55:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beetroot wine : was Documentary for German National
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Meanwhile, back to Peter Wineman?s party (not that I was there) ~ beetroot wine needs years to mature. We only ever made it once, just a gallon when we lived in Bristol, and it was brown and foul, so the glass demi-john was put in the garage and remarkably moved house twice with us, to Carhalton via Clevedon, and lived to tell the tale. When a former Bristol colleague came to visit us in Carshalton, we were sufficiently impoverished by house renovations and a big mortgage that we had nothing in the house to offer by way of alcohol, so I ventured into the garage and dusted off the demi-john, whose contents were by then at least four or five years old. There was a goodly brown silt in the bottom of the jar, but the wine was by then a deep red and almost as good as a Madeira ~ quite heavy and pretty intoxicating, but between the three of us we nearly finished the gallon over a couple of evenings! Patience can indeed be a virtue.

Mike G





From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Jun 29 04:25:35 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:25:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
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Having followed this recent data grab thread with interest my wife and I 
both completed the opt-out forms and deposited them with our GP centre. Only 
a few days later I read this regarding a course being pursued by the NHS 
Somerset Foundation Trust 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-57568711

The trust is centred on Musgrove Park Hospital in Taunton where I have a 
patient history going back to the early 1950's . There is reference to 
'consulting patients before selling' though it seems apparent this is a done 
deal. The mention of "local engagement events in the Autumn" sounds like 
public meetings where public disquiet will be met with smooth reassurances.

It seems only a small number of Trusts are presently pursuing this course 
but they render the GP opt-out process a useless gesture. "You can't win" 
comes to mind!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Fox via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 5:23 PM
To: sara newman
Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List
Subject: Re: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab

Sara,

That's sad  but also amazing. You must be proud of your brother for
leaving such a worthwhile legacy. Our ephemeral efforts in TV, mostly
lost to the ether and many deliberately wiped just don't compare.. I
agree with you about all that data being so casually splashed about.
It's not a matter of how much our individual data is worth so much as
how it will be misused once control of it is lost. Look how many "third
party" miners of tracking data are feeding from the trough of our
internet interests and purchases. We'll end up paying many times over
for big pharma research results or maybe we just won't be able to access
it at all, if the insurance model completely takes over in England. It's
strange how some really crap ideas seem to cross the Atlantic in our
direction, and insurance based health care that cancels anyone who can't
afford it or has pre-existing conditions is probably the worst. Of
course research is motivated by rewards but the prices charged are obscene.

You have said how your brother was able to search through patient data
in the past, on a need to know basis and the ability to do that long
predates this current episode. It's fairly clear the current data grab
must be driven by the desire to monetise the data wholesale rather than
enabling research and planning.

I am not against research, hence my support of the Zoe/Kings Covid
symptom tracker and it's wider future application, and Moorfields
research, it's the cynical monetisation with no control or feedback to
subscribers that upsets me.

So there you are, I have opted out now using the type 1 opt-out via
letter/form to  the GP and on-line via the National opt out (previously
type2). I am not waiting for someone to "forget" to alter the 23rd June
cut off date to match the new September delay. As I have said elsewhere,
I wouldn't trust a government promise further than I could push a red bus.

Peter



On 09/06/2021 10:36, sara newman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know a little about this issue as my brother was a clinical pathologist 
> of some note. He began the computerisation of his department at Jimmy?s in 
> Leeds alone and no funding in the late 1980?s and the Government came to 
> see him. He told Blair a pandemic was on its way It was when not if. and 
> that there should be paperless hospitals so that if you arrived at A and E 
> they would have a full profile and be able to treat you without delay. No 
> faffing around waiting for notes to come from the bowels of the building, 
> badly written up and a mess.  That was pre 2000.  Doctors are only as good 
> as he information they have.
>
> The Tory?s arrived and there was a battle. By this time my brother had 
> started Informatics. Data-mining NHS info and the true efficacy of drugs 
> out in the real world. Unfortunately he died of leukaemia in 2014 and 
> there is now a building named after him at Leeds Uni where they do this 
> work. Only three people are allowed access. Its used for planning in all 
> sorts of ways, not just medical
> He did lots of other things like work on BSE. He was vilified in 
> parliament for this. Work on Downs Syndrome, on diabetes and finally on 
> leukaemia He set up a lab in his attic and was telling the oncology team 
> where they were under prescribing drugs in its control  which eventually 
> lead to a change of treatment across the NHS. That he survived 10 years 
> longer than predicted was testament to his continuous research even when 
> very ill so that others would benefit. .
>
> So the Government wanted to sell the NHS records that you, me and the rest 
> of us paid for in our taxes for ?40m to US medical Insurance companies. He 
> raised the money to avoid this - they are worth billions !!! its the only 
> data base in the world that has been going for over 60 years with a 
> complete cross section of people and conditions. Its an amazing resource 
> which we should own ourselves for ourselves and our children and 
> grandchildren.
>
> If the companies had to access and paid real money each time they used it, 
> it would fund the NHS for years but they want it on the cheap and for me 
> its frankly stealing.
>
> Your data is one of the most expensive/ valuable  items you own.Your 
> health is priceless.  Until people get to grips with this, the companies 
> will continue to steal it. So I would advise you to opt out ASAP before 
> you forget. They can find out where you live because it will have enough 
> for them to do that. It will have ramifications not just for you but your 
> children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.
>
> Take care,
>
> sara
>
>
>
>
>> On 7 Jun 2021, at 13:06, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active 
>> hyperlink.
>>
>>
>> Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload all 
>> their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st July? If 
>> you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they won't erase 
>> what they have already taken.
>>
>> NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions and 
>> allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.
>>
>> You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course 
>> it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS even 
>> more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in later if 
>> you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and opting out won't 
>> affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.
>>
>> Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at very 
>> short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.
>>
>> Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a source 
>> of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a sensible 
>> letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too late.
>>
>> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedconfidential.org%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb9cc7bd54bfb4676a68508d929acd7d7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637586644589952975%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=dpuxDNzZKxWCJ0pfuzx7V6LGFFK%2FQ1fLsDCRBNX2kR0%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>
>> Peter F
>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 29 04:52:56 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:52:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
In-Reply-To: <2EE73364701F49A483423B300A514060@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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The new health secretary was previously a banker and was actively involved in the dodgy dealings which caused the global financial crash.  Whatever my feelings were previously about the prospect of NHS data being sold, I feel infinitely more concerned now that he is running the NHS.  

Obviously I would be perfectly happy for my data to be used for genuine UK based medical research, but I am totally against anonymous data directly or indirectly getting into the hands of large corporations who could use data mining techniques in conjunction with other databases to reconnect anonymous data with individual names and then exploit that highly sensitive data commercially.  

Alan Taylor

> On 29 Jun 2021, at 10:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Having followed this recent data grab thread with interest my wife and I both completed the opt-out forms and deposited them with our GP centre. Only a few days later I read this regarding a course being pursued by the NHS Somerset Foundation Trust https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-j57568711
> 
> The trust is centred on Musgrove Park Hospital in Taunton where I have a patient history going back to the early 1950's . There is reference to 'consulting patients before selling' though it seems apparent this is a done deal. The mention of "local engagement events in the Autumn" sounds like public meetings where public disquiet will be met with smooth reassurances.
> 
> It seems only a small number of Trusts are presently pursuing this course but they render the GP opt-out process a useless gesture. "You can't win" comes to mind!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 5:23 PM
> To: sara newman
> Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] NHS Digital Data grab
> 
> Sara,
> 
> That's sad  but also amazing. You must be proud of your brother for
> leaving such a worthwhile legacy. Our ephemeral efforts in TV, mostly
> lost to the ether and many deliberately wiped just don't compare.. I
> agree with you about all that data being so casually splashed about.
> It's not a matter of how much our individual data is worth so much as
> how it will be misused once control of it is lost. Look how many "third
> party" miners of tracking data are feeding from the trough of our
> internet interests and purchases. We'll end up paying many times over
> for big pharma research results or maybe we just won't be able to access
> it at all, if the insurance model completely takes over in England. It's
> strange how some really crap ideas seem to cross the Atlantic in our
> direction, and insurance based health care that cancels anyone who can't
> afford it or has pre-existing conditions is probably the worst. Of
> course research is motivated by rewards but the prices charged are obscene.
> 
> You have said how your brother was able to search through patient data
> in the past, on a need to know basis and the ability to do that long
> predates this current episode. It's fairly clear the current data grab
> must be driven by the desire to monetise the data wholesale rather than
> enabling research and planning.
> 
> I am not against research, hence my support of the Zoe/Kings Covid
> symptom tracker and it's wider future application, and Moorfields
> research, it's the cynical monetisation with no control or feedback to
> subscribers that upsets me.
> 
> So there you are, I have opted out now using the type 1 opt-out via
> letter/form to  the GP and on-line via the National opt out (previously
> type2). I am not waiting for someone to "forget" to alter the 23rd June
> cut off date to match the new September delay. As I have said elsewhere,
> I wouldn't trust a government promise further than I could push a red bus.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
>> On 09/06/2021 10:36, sara newman wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I know a little about this issue as my brother was a clinical pathologist of some note. He began the computerisation of his department at Jimmy?s in Leeds alone and no funding in the late 1980?s and the Government came to see him. He told Blair a pandemic was on its way It was when not if. and that there should be paperless hospitals so that if you arrived at A and E they would have a full profile and be able to treat you without delay. No faffing around waiting for notes to come from the bowels of the building, badly written up and a mess.  That was pre 2000.  Doctors are only as good as he information they have.
>> 
>> The Tory?s arrived and there was a battle. By this time my brother had started Informatics. Data-mining NHS info and the true efficacy of drugs out in the real world. Unfortunately he died of leukaemia in 2014 and there is now a building named after him at Leeds Uni where they do this work. Only three people are allowed access. Its used for planning in all sorts of ways, not just medical
>> He did lots of other things like work on BSE. He was vilified in parliament for this. Work on Downs Syndrome, on diabetes and finally on leukaemia He set up a lab in his attic and was telling the oncology team where they were under prescribing drugs in its control  which eventually lead to a change of treatment across the NHS. That he survived 10 years longer than predicted was testament to his continuous research even when very ill so that others would benefit. .
>> 
>> So the Government wanted to sell the NHS records that you, me and the rest of us paid for in our taxes for ?40m to US medical Insurance companies. He raised the money to avoid this - they are worth billions !!! its the only data base in the world that has been going for over 60 years with a complete cross section of people and conditions. Its an amazing resource which we should own ourselves for ourselves and our children and grandchildren.
>> 
>> If the companies had to access and paid real money each time they used it, it would fund the NHS for years but they want it on the cheap and for me its frankly stealing.
>> 
>> Your data is one of the most expensive/ valuable  items you own.Your health is priceless.  Until people get to grips with this, the companies will continue to steal it. So I would advise you to opt out ASAP before you forget. They can find out where you live because it will have enough for them to do that. It will have ramifications not just for you but your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> sara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 7 Jun 2021, at 13:06, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am having a second try at mailing this, but without an active hyperlink.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are you all aware that NHS Digital have instructed all GPs to upload all their patients confidential medical records starting from 1st July? If you don't opt out by 23rd June or if you opt out later they won't erase what they have already taken.
>>> 
>>> NHS Digital enable some very useful things like repeat prescriptions and allowing A&E to dive into your record at need.
>>> 
>>> You have to ask yourself why NHS Digital need ALL your data? Of course it's good for research and planning but could it be to make the NHS even more attractive in a potential trade deal? You can opt back in later if you are eventually convinced your data is truly safe and opting out won't affect your normal doctor/hospital transactions.
>>> 
>>> Up to you, but a lot of GPs are upset by this demand which made at very short notice, presumably to stifle dissent.
>>> 
>>> Here's a good site covering the otherwise convoluted op-outs and a source of the type 1 opt-out pdf to post to your GP. I would guess a sensible letter would serve instead, but after the 23rd June it's too late.
>>> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 12:08:54 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 18:08:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Centenary of the BBC in 100 objects
Message-ID: <6d65358f-fa75-3766-66d0-9c717771e5c8@gmail.com>

Hi,

I know that some of you are members of the BBC Alumni mailing 
list/Facebook page, and you will likely have seen the following.

For those who are not members of the BBC Alumni (why not?) or are not 
Facebook followers, there is a piece about the centenary of the BBC in 
100 objects.? in particular, the author, Robert Seatter, Head of BBC 
History,? would like some input on the following topics.? Some of these 
topics we have already discussed amongst ourselves!

Best regards, keep safe,

Alec


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Below and attached?is a list of some of the items featured in the /100 
Objects/ list at the moment. Do you have a specific connection with any 
of them? For example did you operate,?help, create, work or?encounter 
talent on the production associated with that object? If so we?d love to 
hear from you so that we can tap into your stories and memories.

To contribute?please contact natasha.maclean at bbc.co.uk 
<mailto:natasha.maclean at bbc.co.uk?subject=100%20Objects%20That%20Tell%20the%20Story%20of%20the%20BBC&body=I%20would%20like%20to%20contribute%20a%20memory%20or%20story%20in%20connection%20with%20the%20following%20item%3A%0A%0A>, 
specifying the?object of interest from the list.

With many thanks.
Robert Seatter, Head of BBC History

*THEME*

	

*OBJECT*

	

*SIGNIFICANCE*

	

*ACTION*

TECHNOLOGY:

Did you use/encounter any of these in your broadcast career?

	

Lip mic

1937 onwards

	

Transformed on air sport commentary

	
	

Radiophonic Workshop

1958 onwards

	

Innovative mix of technology and music, creating most memorably the Dr 
Who theme

	
	

Testcard F

1963

	

Iconic image of post war TV

	
	

Philips PC60 colour camera

1967

	

1^st camera used for BBC colour TV eg Wimbledon/Pot Black

	
	

EMI 2001 colour TV camera

1966 onwards

	

Iconic camera used for Top of the Pops/Grandstand etc

	
	

Moon landing Radio Times

1969

	

Transformative global broadcast moment

	
	

Ceefax

1974

	

Innovative text service that prefigured the internet

	
	

1^st web page

1997

	

The BBC shift out of conventional TV/R broadcasting

	

PROPS & COSTUMES

Did you make/use/encounter any of these in your broadcast career?

	

Bill & Ben puppets from Watch with Mother

1952

	

1^st regular strand of pre-school TV programmes

	
	

Dr Who dalek mould

1963

	

Longest running sci-fi TV show in the world

	
	

Blue Peter badges

1963

	

Longest running children?s TV show in the world

	
	

Play School puppets

1964

	

Ground-breaking pre-school TV show/opener of BBC 2

	
	

Deri pub sign from Pobol y Cwym

1974

	

BBC?s longest running TV soap

	
	

Queen Vic bust from EEnders

1985

	

Seminal BBC TV soap

	
	

Original Pudsey Bear

1985

	

BBC?s own charity, which transformed TV campaigning

	
	

Woman?s Hour quilt

1993

	

Long-running radio strand for women?s voices

	
	

Mr Darcy?s shirt from Pride & Prejudice

1995

	

Ground-breaking costume drama

	
	

Strictly glitterball

2004

	

BBC?s reinvention of ballroom dancing and a global hit

	

DOCUMENTS & SHEET MUSIC

Did you work on any of these shows, at any point in their long histories?

	

Early Proms poster

1930

	

Largest festival of classical music in the word

	
	

Desert Island Discs proposal letter

1941

	

Just voted the best radio show ever

	
	

1^st Archers script

1951

	

Longest running radio soap in the world

	
	

Under Milk Wood script

1954

	

Innovative radio drama classic

	
	

Puppet on a String Eurovision score

1967

	

1^st UK Eurovision winner

	
	

Morecambe & Wise stripper score

1976

	

The evergreen, record-breaking comedy duo

	
	

Monty Python graphics

1969

	

Groundbreaking comedy

	
	

1^st OU degree ceremony

1973

	

Opening up of tertiary education to all

	
	

Madhur Jaffrey?s Indian Cookery book

1982

	

Transforming British cuisine

	

BRANDING

Were you involved in any of the BBC?s big re-branding moments?

	

Abram Games TV logo

1951

	

1^st BBC TV logo

	
	

BBC revolving globe

1963

	

The iconic mirror globe

	
	

BBC 2 ident

1991

	

The witty and ever-inventive BBC ?2?





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Alec Bray

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Tel:  0118 981 7502

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