From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jan 1 02:10:31 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 08:10:31 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jan 1st 2021 Message-ID: Tier 4 What a bore Not to mention Brexit Trump still here Alas I fear We may not find the exit. Be devout Don?t go out And please don?t hug a friend Put on your mask And please don?t ask If this will ever end. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jan 1 02:25:00 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 08:25:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] B....t In-Reply-To: <2516c6eb-0a2c-ccf2-9bce-377caf3c4d7e@btinternet.com> References: <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72@btinternet.com> <72552F3C-4D64-4FE8-8CCE-C8C6F2AE4771@mac.com> <2516c6eb-0a2c-ccf2-9bce-377caf3c4d7e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <31D00DFC-4FBC-44EE-8ECE-6F885A18D372@icloud.com> Fingers crossed for both of them! Happy new year. ? Graeme Wall > On 1 Jan 2021, at 00:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > No Mike, this is our step-granddaughter from my daughter's second husband. She is in London doing a Masters Degree at Goldsmiths College if ever it re-starts! Cheers, Dave. PS The hi-jacked one is starting a trial with DPD tomorrow so let's hope it works out better than the last delivery job! > > On 01/01/2021 00:14, Mike Giles wrote: >> Surely not the same grand-daughter that was hijacked, Dave? I?m sure you could pass on our best wishes for a speedy recovery for her partner and the heartfelt thanks of all of us on this platform that the NHS is there, should we need it. I agree with the surgeon who apparently said that anybody ignoring the social distancing rules has blood on their hands. >> >> So here?s to a New Year of good behaviour all round, marking time until we can relax. >> >> Mike G >> >> >>> On 31 Dec 2020, at 23:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Ooops, I fell asleep and left Europe without any sensation of change! I've no doubt that I will feel something over the next few years as the merchants of doom explain how many difficulties there will be. Anyway, I think that the virus will be more in the front of our minds in the weeks to come. My step-granddaughter's partner works in St. George's Hospital, Tooting, has tested positive for Covid, as he had to work all over Christmas. She now feels unwell and is now in bed feeling rotten! I wish all of our readers a Happy New Year and hope that many more of us survive to keep this amazing newsgroup going throughout 2021. Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jan 1 03:03:44 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 09:03:44 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] B....t In-Reply-To: <2516c6eb-0a2c-ccf2-9bce-377caf3c4d7e@btinternet.com> References: <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72@btinternet.com><72552F3C-4D64-4FE8-8CCE-C8C6F2AE4771@mac.com> <2516c6eb-0a2c-ccf2-9bce-377caf3c4d7e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Best of luck to her with the courier job - for some time DPD have been the pick of the bunch down here so perhaps it might turn out to be for the best. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 12:30 AM To: Mike Giles ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] B....t No Mike, this is our step-granddaughter from my daughter's second husband. She is in London doing a Masters Degree at Goldsmiths College if ever it re-starts! Cheers, Dave. PS The hi-jacked one is starting a trial with DPD tomorrow so let's hope it works out better than the last delivery job! On 01/01/2021 00:14, Mike Giles wrote: > Surely not the same grand-daughter that was hijacked, Dave? I?m sure you > could pass on our best wishes for a speedy recovery for her partner and > the heartfelt thanks of all of us on this platform that the NHS is there, > should we need it. I agree with the surgeon who apparently said that > anybody ignoring the social distancing rules has blood on their hands. > > So here?s to a New Year of good behaviour all round, marking time until we > can relax. > > Mike G > > >> On 31 Dec 2020, at 23:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Ooops, I fell asleep and left Europe without any sensation of change! >> I've no doubt that I will feel something over the next few years as the >> merchants of doom explain how many difficulties there will be. Anyway, I >> think that the virus will be more in the front of our minds in the weeks >> to come. My step-granddaughter's partner works in St. George's Hospital, >> Tooting, has tested positive for Covid, as he had to work all over >> Christmas. She now feels unwell and is now in bed feeling rotten! I wish >> all of our readers a Happy New Year and hope that many more of us survive >> to keep this amazing newsgroup going throughout 2021. Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 1 03:56:58 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 09:56:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0CF6F0E9-B3F6-4C82-BCE0-A8D957D79DAE@me.com> As Dave points out, there can be a certain amount of culture shock when emerging from the hallowed halls of a mainstream broadcaster into the world of freelance television. I can?t speak with any first hand knowledge about the training in independent television, but the quality of those emerging from that side of the industry fully matched that of the BBC training, so no worries on that front. You learned your craft, proved yourself and progressed as your skills develop. The key point being that everybody else did that too and although we all encountered our share of individuals who weren?t that great, at least they were well trained before becoming not that great. It?s a quite different world when freelancing. Essentially you are whatever you say you are because few clients check on your training. CVs are often treated with suspicion because some are largely works of fiction and all clients receive untold quantities of unsolicited CVs which are rarely read. The only thing that carries any real weight is your reputation, and your reputation will be influenced more by how infrequently you are seen to screw up rather than by how impeccably you handle the finer points of your craft. The downside of that system is that it applies to everybody else too. With traditional broadcasters, you know that everybody you work with has earned their stripes. They may not be perfect, but you could be pretty sure that they were experienced and well trained. In the more informal world of freelancing, there is a lot more scope for bullshit to play a part, or for people to blag work which they are not properly suited for. This works both upwards and downwards along the scale. You can find yourself working with assistants who don?t have a basic understanding of the equipment, or you can find yourself working with a director who has no understanding of the processes. One of my earliest freelance jobs came with an exceedingly rare thing, a handover from one of the staff guys. He explained that everything had to peak to 5? at all times. When I did a rehearsal, I ran the opening music peaking somewhat lower than that in order to match the anticipated level from the presenter, but of course this was deemed wrong. Everything had to be as loud as possible all the time. The music in question was strident brassy music, compressed to hell, with no dynamic range whatsoever. The presenter was a woman who could best be described as having been chosen for visual reasons rather than her vocal qualities. Even with the best dynamic processors available ( only bare bones ones were available at this facility ), you would struggle to make her audible after a loud blast of that music, but nobody really listened, the meter was what mattered. Some years later I was mixing a different show where a VT came in with shockingly bad sound. The interviewer was the owner of the company, while the interviewee was the Dalai Lama, but neither party was tolerably audible. I could see a personal mic on the Dalai Lama, but I was sure we were hearing the camera mic instead of the personal mic, made worse by the location being within a marble temple with dreadful acoustics. I was shocked that nobody in the edit suite thought it sounded odd. This was meant to be one of five interviews shown each day during a week. I insisted that somebody found the original rushes and checked what was actually on each track and re- edit it to salvage it, but word came back the next morning that they couldn?t be located - which I took to mean that they couldn?t be arsed. When I started The Big Breakfast, right at the beginning it was clear that nobody oversaw the technical quality. It was simply left to the respective heads of department to do what they thought was good enough. I was keen that the sound department worked to the highest standard possible, but I don?t think anybody would have worried about the finer points so long as the viewers heard what the people in shot were saying. Having said all that, there are also many freelancers who are truly excellent at their job, despite not having formal training. The worst ones usually disappear fairly quickly. Employment laws are such that if a broadcaster wanted to fire a staff member who wasn?t much good, it can be very difficult, but when clients use freelancers, there is no question of firing anybody, you simply don?t call them ever again and there?s no legal comeback to worry about. Alan Taylor > On 31 Dec 2020, at 16:41, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Regarding the failure of so many modern 'sound technicians' to correct poor sound, I believe that this comes down to the way they are now trained. > > As those of us who worked in the old broadcasting organisations well remember, there was usually a proper formal training scheme that introduced you to the basics of audio, such as at Evesham or there was a slow introduction to sound through watching others, as you moved up through the ranks of an ITV sound department. In fact in the BBC both of these. > As the broadcasting organisations were forced to move to adopt 'casual staff'...freelancers from outside, there became a gradual loss of the techniques that had been passed on through years of professional audio practice. > > This loss of training from the 'vertically integrated Broadcasters' is explored in this PHD Thesis by Tim Heath, which I believe TechOps was a contributor. Here's it is...overly 'academic' (that's a phd of course)...but the truth. > https://pure.royalholloway.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/making-tv-sound(e62b7190-d594-4c79-a37b-0a83573a7e99).html > > In the early 80's, I myself left LWT, where I had been well trained as I progressed through the sound department, even though I had never had the experience of an Evesham type training, and moved into the new freelance world, I still was able to hold up standards in sound work because of my training. > Alan Taylor, Nick Ware, Dave Denness and all the others here in this group would have done the same if they moved from the BBC. > > However there came a point when we started to meet others, who were now in key positions mixing sound, who did not have such a background. That's because these were the days in the 80's and 90's, when the system of training in the broadcast organisations had been replaced by college training courses that were just not up to giving what was required for professional audio. It was probably a failure that the tutors for these courses were usually not from professional audio backgrounds. Too much time was allocated to making you 'good at Pro Tools' and not 'good as achieving a great sound mix' or even achieving the best quality studio or location sound. > > I first met this face on when I had been running an audio post production suite for a few years and during a 'quiet time' needed to get some income by working as a freelance dubbing mixer. I started temporary work, using Pro Tools at a video house in Shepherd's Bush. I was now in a team working on a variety of 'Cash in the Attic' type of day-time programmes. > As we were required to do, I turned out a fast product on very cheap equipment with 8 fader Mackie midi mixers in untreated mix rooms, but mixed it to the usual standards I had always observed. > However after a few of my shows had been through the BBC 'quality control' and on to air, I was asked by the ex-video editor boss of the facility why my programmes weren't as loud as the others were producing. So I viewed some of the other programmes, and was appalled to hear their work. > Extreme compression was applied to the overall mixes and 'pumping' was evident throughout. Most dialogue sat at around PPM 6 most of the time and it was often poor in quality. When I pointed out to one of the guys, a recent college graduate in his 20's, he suggested that 'day-time TV' like this needed to be heavily compressed as the audience listened on 'little TV's in their kitchens'! > > For awhile I accepted that I would have to join this 'loudness race'...but gave up that work as soon as I was able to get back to working in my own sound suite. Alas the 'loudness wars' had only just started and when I got to mixing some of the later series of 'Scrapheap Challenge' for C4, I was often pushed by producers to 'make it more exciting'...ie as loud as it would take. > Hey, I'd come from the LWT sound department which was often accused of 'pushy sound' on our entertainment shows! There was a difference though between 'making sound exciting', as we had practiced and sound that has no dynamic range at all. The latter is just so tiring to listen to. > > Eventually the 'loudness wars' did hit the bottom and audience complaints drove the change, so that slowly in the early 2000's limits on levels were being introduced. First it was the Dolby LM100 meter that we used to make our programmes legal for the US broadcasters like Discovery and then UK companies eventually introduced the even better EBU128 standard metering, that has brought everything back to sensible levels at last. > Yes there are still differences in levels across the channels and as has been pointed out the 'Presentation announcers' seem to have avoided catching up, but it is now the poor standard of dialogue that stands out in broadcasting. > > The college kids never did learn what dialogue on a good AKG or Neumann mic or a boom sounds like, and don't attempt to use the EQ to get all those radio mics sounding any good. Video editors often don't know that 'track 1 has a boom' and 'track 2 has a radio-mic' for instance, so they go and mix them both together, as any experienced recordist knows. > I tried complaining and got back the remarks like 'It was recorded like that' from the video editor, who most probably is now also doing the sound mix. 'Well do something about it' I would scream back at them! But alas he was never trained in sound, but is a 'shit hot picture editor' and delivers a really slick edit to the production company working on a very low budget these days. > > I don't know how we recover from this failure in training in good sound now alas, as the production managers don't understand either and they control the money. Perhaps the audience will complain more, but I don't see that happening at present enough. > > Dave Taylor > >> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 13:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> In article <003501d6df67$3bcc2b30$b3648190$@gmail.com>, >> David Denness wrote: >> > I think it's down to the fact that R4 still use trained and experienced >> > sound technicians and engineers. These are sadly lacking on many TV >> > shows, and even when one gets assigned to a show there is so much >> > adherence to Loudness meters they are unable to concentrate on programme >> > content. I'm forever grateful I'm not involved in making programmes any >> > more >> >> I do wonder if there's a 'Sound Manager' out there who has decreed that >> mics must be used flat. ;-) Or perhaps modern cheap assignable consoles >> where getting to the EQ - if there is any - a PITA. Or the monitor >> speakers in use incredibly bright. Any more guesses welcome. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Fri Jan 1 04:20:53 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 10:20:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: <0CF6F0E9-B3F6-4C82-BCE0-A8D957D79DAE@me.com> References: <0CF6F0E9-B3F6-4C82-BCE0-A8D957D79DAE@me.com> Message-ID: <3E9E9825-94CC-47E2-A714-566EF9012866@icloud.com> Obviously as a mere cameraman I can?t really comment on the sound training element of this thread but I do see the lack of a ?proper? path for young operators in our industry. The frustrating thing is that whilst there are many great courses out there now at universities and many talented lecturers, my attempt to volunteer to pass on some of the real world experiences I?ve had over my career met with an impasse as I don?t have a degree so am not allowed to ?lecture?. From my position within the GTC I see many talented youngsters coming through who have made amazing films on their courses, but they seem to lack the ?real world? ability to light and record a CEO in a very small and uninspiring room with only minutes to set up for instance. Keep all the many varied stories coming and hopefully we can have a disorganised day again very soon. Happy New Year to one and all. Graham Maunder Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Jan 2021, at 09:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > As Dave points out, there can be a certain amount of culture shock when emerging from the hallowed halls of a mainstream broadcaster into the world of freelance television. > > I can?t speak with any first hand knowledge about the training in independent television, but the quality of those emerging from that side of the industry fully matched that of the BBC training, so no worries on that front. > > You learned your craft, proved yourself and progressed as your skills develop. The key point being that everybody else did that too and although we all encountered our share of individuals who weren?t that great, at least they were well trained before becoming not that great. > > It?s a quite different world when freelancing. Essentially you are whatever you say you are because few clients check on your training. CVs are often treated with suspicion because some are largely works of fiction and all clients receive untold quantities of unsolicited CVs which are rarely read. The only thing that carries any real weight is your reputation, and your reputation will be influenced more by how infrequently you are seen to screw up rather than by how impeccably you handle the finer points of your craft. > > The downside of that system is that it applies to everybody else too. With traditional broadcasters, you know that everybody you work with has earned their stripes. They may not be perfect, but you could be pretty sure that they were experienced and well trained. In the more informal world of freelancing, there is a lot more scope for bullshit to play a part, or for people to blag work which they are not properly suited for. This works both upwards and downwards along the scale. You can find yourself working with assistants who don?t have a basic understanding of the equipment, or you can find yourself working with a director who has no understanding of the processes. > > One of my earliest freelance jobs came with an exceedingly rare thing, a handover from one of the staff guys. He explained that everything had to peak to 5? at all times. When I did a rehearsal, I ran the opening music peaking somewhat lower than that in order to match the anticipated level from the presenter, but of course this was deemed wrong. Everything had to be as loud as possible all the time. The music in question was strident brassy music, compressed to hell, with no dynamic range whatsoever. The presenter was a woman who could best be described as having been chosen for visual reasons rather than her vocal qualities. Even with the best dynamic processors available ( only bare bones ones were available at this facility ), you would struggle to make her audible after a loud blast of that music, but nobody really listened, the meter was what mattered. > > Some years later I was mixing a different show where a VT came in with shockingly bad sound. The interviewer was the owner of the company, while the interviewee was the Dalai Lama, but neither party was tolerably audible. I could see a personal mic on the Dalai Lama, but I was sure we were hearing the camera mic instead of the personal mic, made worse by the location being within a marble temple with dreadful acoustics. I was shocked that nobody in the edit suite thought it sounded odd. This was meant to be one of five interviews shown each day during a week. I insisted that somebody found the original rushes and checked what was actually on each track and re- edit it to salvage it, but word came back the next morning that they couldn?t be located - which I took to mean that they couldn?t be arsed. > > When I started The Big Breakfast, right at the beginning it was clear that nobody oversaw the technical quality. It was simply left to the respective heads of department to do what they thought was good enough. I was keen that the sound department worked to the highest standard possible, but I don?t think anybody would have worried about the finer points so long as the viewers heard what the people in shot were saying. > > Having said all that, there are also many freelancers who are truly excellent at their job, despite not having formal training. The worst ones usually disappear fairly quickly. Employment laws are such that if a broadcaster wanted to fire a staff member who wasn?t much good, it can be very difficult, but when clients use freelancers, there is no question of firing anybody, you simply don?t call them ever again and there?s no legal comeback to worry about. > > > Alan Taylor > > >>> On 31 Dec 2020, at 16:41, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Regarding the failure of so many modern 'sound technicians' to correct poor sound, I believe that this comes down to the way they are now trained. >> >> As those of us who worked in the old broadcasting organisations well remember, there was usually a proper formal training scheme that introduced you to the basics of audio, such as at Evesham or there was a slow introduction to sound through watching others, as you moved up through the ranks of an ITV sound department. In fact in the BBC both of these. >> As the broadcasting organisations were forced to move to adopt 'casual staff'...freelancers from outside, there became a gradual loss of the techniques that had been passed on through years of professional audio practice. >> >> This loss of training from the 'vertically integrated Broadcasters' is explored in this PHD Thesis by Tim Heath, which I believe TechOps was a contributor. Here's it is...overly 'academic' (that's a phd of course)...but the truth. >> https://pure.royalholloway.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/making-tv-sound(e62b7190-d594-4c79-a37b-0a83573a7e99).html >> >> In the early 80's, I myself left LWT, where I had been well trained as I progressed through the sound department, even though I had never had the experience of an Evesham type training, and moved into the new freelance world, I still was able to hold up standards in sound work because of my training. >> Alan Taylor, Nick Ware, Dave Denness and all the others here in this group would have done the same if they moved from the BBC. >> >> However there came a point when we started to meet others, who were now in key positions mixing sound, who did not have such a background. That's because these were the days in the 80's and 90's, when the system of training in the broadcast organisations had been replaced by college training courses that were just not up to giving what was required for professional audio. It was probably a failure that the tutors for these courses were usually not from professional audio backgrounds. Too much time was allocated to making you 'good at Pro Tools' and not 'good as achieving a great sound mix' or even achieving the best quality studio or location sound. >> >> I first met this face on when I had been running an audio post production suite for a few years and during a 'quiet time' needed to get some income by working as a freelance dubbing mixer. I started temporary work, using Pro Tools at a video house in Shepherd's Bush. I was now in a team working on a variety of 'Cash in the Attic' type of day-time programmes. >> As we were required to do, I turned out a fast product on very cheap equipment with 8 fader Mackie midi mixers in untreated mix rooms, but mixed it to the usual standards I had always observed. >> However after a few of my shows had been through the BBC 'quality control' and on to air, I was asked by the ex-video editor boss of the facility why my programmes weren't as loud as the others were producing. So I viewed some of the other programmes, and was appalled to hear their work. >> Extreme compression was applied to the overall mixes and 'pumping' was evident throughout. Most dialogue sat at around PPM 6 most of the time and it was often poor in quality. When I pointed out to one of the guys, a recent college graduate in his 20's, he suggested that 'day-time TV' like this needed to be heavily compressed as the audience listened on 'little TV's in their kitchens'! >> >> For awhile I accepted that I would have to join this 'loudness race'...but gave up that work as soon as I was able to get back to working in my own sound suite. Alas the 'loudness wars' had only just started and when I got to mixing some of the later series of 'Scrapheap Challenge' for C4, I was often pushed by producers to 'make it more exciting'...ie as loud as it would take. >> Hey, I'd come from the LWT sound department which was often accused of 'pushy sound' on our entertainment shows! There was a difference though between 'making sound exciting', as we had practiced and sound that has no dynamic range at all. The latter is just so tiring to listen to. >> >> Eventually the 'loudness wars' did hit the bottom and audience complaints drove the change, so that slowly in the early 2000's limits on levels were being introduced. First it was the Dolby LM100 meter that we used to make our programmes legal for the US broadcasters like Discovery and then UK companies eventually introduced the even better EBU128 standard metering, that has brought everything back to sensible levels at last. >> Yes there are still differences in levels across the channels and as has been pointed out the 'Presentation announcers' seem to have avoided catching up, but it is now the poor standard of dialogue that stands out in broadcasting. >> >> The college kids never did learn what dialogue on a good AKG or Neumann mic or a boom sounds like, and don't attempt to use the EQ to get all those radio mics sounding any good. Video editors often don't know that 'track 1 has a boom' and 'track 2 has a radio-mic' for instance, so they go and mix them both together, as any experienced recordist knows. >> I tried complaining and got back the remarks like 'It was recorded like that' from the video editor, who most probably is now also doing the sound mix. 'Well do something about it' I would scream back at them! But alas he was never trained in sound, but is a 'shit hot picture editor' and delivers a really slick edit to the production company working on a very low budget these days. >> >> I don't know how we recover from this failure in training in good sound now alas, as the production managers don't understand either and they control the money. Perhaps the audience will complain more, but I don't see that happening at present enough. >> >> Dave Taylor >> >>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 13:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> In article <003501d6df67$3bcc2b30$b3648190$@gmail.com>, >>> David Denness wrote: >>> > I think it's down to the fact that R4 still use trained and experienced >>> > sound technicians and engineers. These are sadly lacking on many TV >>> > shows, and even when one gets assigned to a show there is so much >>> > adherence to Loudness meters they are unable to concentrate on programme >>> > content. I'm forever grateful I'm not involved in making programmes any >>> > more >>> >>> I do wonder if there's a 'Sound Manager' out there who has decreed that >>> mics must be used flat. ;-) Or perhaps modern cheap assignable consoles >>> where getting to the EQ - if there is any - a PITA. Or the monitor >>> speakers in use incredibly bright. 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URL: From relong at btinternet.com Fri Jan 1 05:34:42 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 11:34:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Further to Alan T s post on GarageBand I decided to investigate Its basically a Fisher Price version of Logic and contains some of its best plug ins (Space Designer, Delay Designer ,various comp limiters etc) However in the entire DAW which enables multitrack record and mastering there is no metering of any substance, they are mere tiny bar indicators The entire process is normalised between record stages and final master track There is no proper metering that can be applied to it, especially with OS 11.1 No wonder there is confusion about levels and levelling, its all hidden from view of the ?creatives? Roger From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Jan 1 05:44:10 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 11:44:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Hootenanny Message-ID: <58e7f9b9f3davesound@btinternet.com> Very much enjoyed the Hootenanny last night - watched as it went out for once - as in better times I'd be at a party of some sort. And good to hear Mike Felton on sound is as good as ever. In some ways the mixture of studio and repeats made for a better programme, here. And was most surprised just how good Sir Tom sounded at 80. Hope for us all yet. ;-) My hearing isn't as it was - with an odd fault. Frequency response is still pretty good for my age. Sensitivity a bit down but not enough to be a real worry. The real fault is distortion. At low levels, things are clean but slightly topless. At normal domestic listening levels, many things sound distorted - sort of harmonic distortion. Like a faulty amp or fried speaker. At control room levels it all cleans up again, and sounds to me as it should. And last night I used control room levels to drown the fireworks. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jan 1 06:02:14 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 12:02:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hootenanny In-Reply-To: <58e7f9b9f3davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e7f9b9f3davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <57E28E26-F87D-4843-9A96-DBF4E68AA63C@icloud.com> One thing that struck me was when the pipes and drums came in for Auld Lang Syne, the pipes were very muted compared to the soloist. ? Graeme Wall > On 1 Jan 2021, at 11:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Very much enjoyed the Hootenanny last night - watched as it went out for > once - as in better times I'd be at a party of some sort. And good to hear > Mike Felton on sound is as good as ever. In some ways the mixture of > studio and repeats made for a better programme, here. And was most > surprised just how good Sir Tom sounded at 80. Hope for us all yet. ;-) > > My hearing isn't as it was - with an odd fault. Frequency response is > still pretty good for my age. Sensitivity a bit down but not enough to be > a real worry. > > The real fault is distortion. At low levels, things are clean but slightly > topless. At normal domestic listening levels, many things sound distorted > - sort of harmonic distortion. Like a faulty amp or fried speaker. > > At control room levels it all cleans up again, and sounds to me as it > should. > > And last night I used control room levels to drown the fireworks. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 06:08:09 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 12:08:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: What do we think of Fairlight, part of DaVinci Resolve?? It seems to have lots of pro stuff in it, but I'm not that pro, and struggle. B On 01/01/2021 11:34, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > Further to Alan T s post on GarageBand I decided to investigate > Its basically a Fisher Price version of Logic and contains some of its best plug ins (Space Designer, Delay Designer ,various comp limiters etc) > However in the entire DAW which enables multitrack record and mastering there is no metering of any substance, they are mere tiny bar indicators > The entire process is normalised between record stages and final master track > There is no proper metering that can be applied to it, especially with OS 11.1 > No wonder there is confusion about levels and levelling, its all hidden from view of the ?creatives? > > Roger > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 06:08:29 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 12:08:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1d5390f8-9411-e08e-0415-397deb28b765@gmail.com> What do we think of Fairlight, part of DaVinci Resolve?? It seems to have lots of pro stuff in it, but I'm not that pro, and struggle. B On 01/01/2021 11:34, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > Further to Alan T s post on GarageBand I decided to investigate > Its basically a Fisher Price version of Logic and contains some of its best plug ins (Space Designer, Delay Designer ,various comp limiters etc) > However in the entire DAW which enables multitrack record and mastering there is no metering of any substance, they are mere tiny bar indicators > The entire process is normalised between record stages and final master track > There is no proper metering that can be applied to it, especially with OS 11.1 > No wonder there is confusion about levels and levelling, its all hidden from view of the ?creatives? > > Roger > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Jan 1 06:04:02 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 12:04:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] B....t In-Reply-To: <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72@btinternet.com> References: <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58e7fb8b9fdavesound@btinternet.com> Hope she recovers fully and quickly. St Georges Tooting is my local hospital which I now know well after the last year or so. And have nothing but praise for it and its staff. Apart from car parking, obviously. ;-) Incidentally, the St James wing was named after the hospital which was once across the road from here. The ambulance A&E entrance being only 25 yards from my front door - a reason I could afford this house. A very busy and noisy side street. It is long gone and now a housing estate. In article <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Ooops, I fell asleep and left Europe without any sensation of change! > I've no doubt that I will feel something over the next few years as the > merchants of doom explain how many difficulties there will be. Anyway, > I think that the virus will be more in the front of our minds in the > weeks to come. My step-granddaughter's partner works in St. George's > Hospital, Tooting, has tested positive for Covid, as he had to work all > over Christmas. She now feels unwell and is now in bed feeling rotten! > I wish all of our readers a Happy New Year and hope that many more of us > survive to keep this amazing newsgroup going throughout 2021. Cheers, Dave > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From relong at btinternet.com Fri Jan 1 06:16:59 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 12:16:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4E6D823A-DB9B-43FF-97ED-37B9340FF04F@btinternet.com> My ex boss of BBC FU bought Fairlight when it first came out for his Films of Bristol production service/ dry hire company. It was horribly expensive then and unsuited to film dubbing. That was 30 yrs ago , Im sure its improved ! Roger > On 1 Jan 2021, at 12:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > What do we think of Fairlight, part of DaVinci Resolve? It seems to have lots of pro stuff in it, but I'm not that pro, and struggle. > > B > > > > On 01/01/2021 11:34, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> Further to Alan T s post on GarageBand I decided to investigate >> Its basically a Fisher Price version of Logic and contains some of its best plug ins (Space Designer, Delay Designer ,various comp limiters etc) >> However in the entire DAW which enables multitrack record and mastering there is no metering of any substance, they are mere tiny bar indicators >> The entire process is normalised between record stages and final master track >> There is no proper metering that can be applied to it, especially with OS 11.1 >> No wonder there is confusion about levels and levelling, its all hidden from view of the ?creatives? >> >> Roger >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Jan 1 06:21:40 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 12:21:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58e7fd28dddavesound@btinternet.com> I do often wonder if there is too much emphasis on music recording ability. Now as then. Considering that perhaps 90% of TV output doesn't involve any. And then there's this notion that a loudness meter is an essential and can cure all ills. It may be a good tool (after my time) but like all tools still needs skill to use it. And I'd not say levels across TV are any better these days. Even just with the major broadcasters. BTW, watched a prog on UK TV catchup the other day. The audio appeared to have been 'normalised' to peak full scale - unlike most things on FreeView that only peak to -10 dBFS. But the commercials (inserted separately I'd say by how they were cut in) were at a normal level. To put it into perspective, with the level set to comfortable for the prog, the ads were all but inaudible. Now this make so little sense it just shows how little many seem care about sound - even when it is in their own interests to do so - as the pictures were what you'd expect. In article , David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Regarding the failure of so many modern 'sound technicians' to correct poor > sound, I believe that this comes down to the way they are now trained. > As those of us who worked in the old broadcasting organisations well > remember, there was usually a proper formal training scheme that introduced > you to the basics of audio, such as at Evesham or there was a slow > introduction to sound through watching others, as you moved up through the > ranks of an ITV sound department. In fact in the BBC both of these. > As the broadcasting organisations were forced to move to adopt 'casual > staff'...freelancers from outside, there became a gradual loss of the > techniques that had been passed on through years of professional audio > practice. > This loss of training from the 'vertically integrated Broadcasters' is > explored in this PHD Thesis by Tim Heath, which I believe TechOps was a > contributor. Here's it is...overly 'academic' (that's a phd of > course)...but the truth. > https://pure.royalholloway.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/making-tv-sound(e62b7190-d594-4c79-a37b-0a83573a7e99).html > In the early 80's, I myself left LWT, where I had been well trained as I > progressed through the sound department, even though I had never had the > experience of an Evesham type training, and moved into the new freelance > world, I still was able to hold up standards in sound work because of my > training. > Alan Taylor, Nick Ware, Dave Denness and all the others here in this group > would have done the same if they moved from the BBC. > However there came a point when we started to meet others, who were now in > key positions mixing sound, who did not have such a background. That's > because these were the days in the 80's and 90's, when the system of > training in the broadcast organisations had been replaced by college > training courses that were just not up to giving what was required for > professional audio. It was probably a failure that the tutors for these > courses were usually not from professional audio backgrounds. Too much time > was allocated to making you 'good at Pro Tools' and not 'good as achieving > a great sound mix' or even achieving the best quality studio or > location sound. > I first met this face on when I had been running an audio post > production suite for a few years and during a 'quiet time' needed to get > some income by working as a freelance dubbing mixer. I started temporary > work, using Pro Tools at a video house in Shepherd's Bush. I was now in a > team working on a variety of 'Cash in the Attic' type of day-time > programmes. > As we were required to do, I turned out a fast product on very > cheap equipment with 8 fader Mackie midi mixers in untreated mix rooms, but > mixed it to the usual standards I had always observed. > However after a few of my shows had been through the BBC 'quality control' > and on to air, I was asked by the ex-video editor boss of the facility why > my programmes weren't as loud as the others were producing. So I viewed > some of the other programmes, and was appalled to hear their work. > Extreme compression was applied to the overall mixes and 'pumping' was > evident throughout. Most dialogue sat at around PPM 6 most of the time and > it was often poor in quality. When I pointed out to one of the guys, a > recent college graduate in his 20's, he suggested that 'day-time TV' like > this needed to be heavily compressed as the audience listened on 'little > TV's in their kitchens'! > For awhile I accepted that I would have to join this 'loudness race'...but > gave up that work as soon as I was able to get back to working in my own > sound suite. Alas the 'loudness wars' had only just started and when I got > to mixing some of the later series of 'Scrapheap Challenge' for C4, I was > often pushed by producers to 'make it more exciting'...ie as loud as it > would take. > Hey, I'd come from the LWT sound department which was often accused of > 'pushy sound' on our entertainment shows! There was a difference though > between 'making sound exciting', as we had practiced and sound that has no > dynamic range at all. The latter is just so tiring to listen to. > Eventually the 'loudness wars' did hit the bottom and audience complaints > drove the change, so that slowly in the early 2000's limits on levels were > being introduced. First it was the Dolby LM100 meter that we used to make > our programmes legal for the US broadcasters like Discovery and then UK > companies eventually introduced the even better EBU128 standard metering, > that has brought everything back to sensible levels at last. > Yes there are still differences in levels across the channels and as has > been pointed out the 'Presentation announcers' seem to have avoided > catching up, but it is now the poor standard of dialogue that stands out in > broadcasting. > The college kids never did learn what dialogue on a good AKG or Neumann mic > or a boom sounds like, and don't attempt to use the EQ to get all those > radio mics sounding any good. Video editors often don't know that 'track 1 > has a boom' and 'track 2 has a radio-mic' for instance, so they go and mix > them both together, as any experienced recordist knows. > I tried complaining and got back the remarks like 'It was recorded like > that' from the video editor, who most probably is now also doing the sound > mix. 'Well do something about it' I would scream back at them! But alas he > was never trained in sound, but is a 'shit hot picture editor' and delivers > a really slick edit to the production company working on a very low budget > these days. > I don't know how we recover from this failure in training in good sound now > alas, as the production managers don't understand either and they control > the money. Perhaps the audience will complain more, but I don't see that > happening at present enough. > Dave Taylor > On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 13:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > > In article <003501d6df67$3bcc2b30$b3648190$@gmail.com>, > > David Denness wrote: > > > I think it's down to the fact that R4 still use trained and experienced > > > sound technicians and engineers. These are sadly lacking on many TV > > > shows, and even when one gets assigned to a show there is so much > > > adherence to Loudness meters they are unable to concentrate on programme > > > content. I'm forever grateful I'm not involved in making programmes any > > > more > > > > I do wonder if there's a 'Sound Manager' out there who has decreed that > > mics must be used flat. ;-) Or perhaps modern cheap assignable consoles > > where getting to the EQ - if there is any - a PITA. Or the monitor > > speakers in use incredibly bright. Any more guesses welcome. > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 1 06:31:17 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 12:31:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jan 1st 2021 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Further to what Dave said, this Covid situation is rapidly getting seriously worrying. Most of us in this group are of an age where we know that shielding is sensible and have been living that way for the last nine months or so. The real concern now is with younger people. People the ages of our children and grandchildren. They have spent the last year believing that Covid mostly affect the old folks, but the new variant is wreaking havoc amongst younger people, especially those 20 - 50. To give you some idea of the scale of the problem, Janet works in a Critical Care ward with four beds. Today they are squeezing in a further six beds, but cannot get any extra staff. In many cases staffing levels are below what they normally would be because bank staff ( freelancers ) either can?t be found or aren?t turning up when booked. The normal wards in the hospital are also stuffed full of less serious Covid patients, while big hospitals routinely have serious patients being treated in rows of parked-up ambulances. Staff normally work 12? hour shifts, but when there is nobody to replace you, it?s human nature to stay on for an extra hour or two, even if you have another early start the next day. Janet finds it absolutely heartbreaking to deal with patients in their 30s and 40s who are unlikely to pull through. The system can no longer cope with them having visits from spouses or children and they are scared that they might never see them again. Vaccines are tantalisingly close, but some medical people are alarmed that the government are decreeing that vaccines are to be administered fundamentally differently to the way they were tested, approved and intended to be used ( one shot rather than two ). Tell your loved ones to keep safe. More importantly, make sure that they understand that things are now different - really different. Janet?s kids treat her warnings with a barely concealed ?whatever?, even though they know what she has had to deal with both as a Covid victim and what she has described when looking after patients. Younger people really do need to minimise risk at the moment. It?s not just flu with knobs on. Alan Taylor > On 1 Jan 2021, at 08:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Tier 4 > What a bore > Not to mention Brexit > Trump still here > Alas I fear > We may not find the exit. > > Be devout > Don?t go out > And please don?t hug a friend > Put on your mask > And please don?t ask > If this will ever end. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 08:00:26 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 14:00:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: <4E6D823A-DB9B-43FF-97ED-37B9340FF04F@btinternet.com> References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> <4E6D823A-DB9B-43FF-97ED-37B9340FF04F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <997afc1d-a536-2000-f8fd-f958e8ec02cd@ntlworld.com> 30 years on, it's completely free, and is intended as the dubbing/DAW section of Resolve. I've fiddled with it, and found it difficult - but I found a digital sound desk difficult, so I may be just not a sound person. B On 01/01/2021 12:16, Roger E Long wrote: > My ex boss of BBC FU bought Fairlight when it first came out for his > Films of Bristol ?production service/ dry hire company. > It was horribly expensive then and unsuited to film dubbing. > That was 30 yrs ago , Im sure its improved ! > Roger > >> On 1 Jan 2021, at 12:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> What do we think of Fairlight, part of DaVinci Resolve?? It seems to >> have lots of pro stuff in it, but I'm not that pro, and struggle. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 01/01/2021 11:34, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> Further to Alan T s post on GarageBand I decided to investigate >>> Its basically a Fisher Price version of Logic and contains some of its best plug ins (Space Designer, Delay Designer ,various comp limiters etc) >>> However in the entire DAW which enables multitrack record and mastering there is no metering of any substance, they are mere tiny bar indicators >>> The entire process is normalised between record stages and final master track >>> There is no proper metering that can be applied to it, especially with OS 11.1 >>> No wonder there is confusion about levels and levelling, its all hidden from view of the ?creatives? >>> >>> Roger >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 1 08:55:36 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 14:55:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: GarageBand has a lot of hidden features, but there is probably a good argument that they should remain hidden from most users. Many users might find that these features allow them to screw things up in ways that they never imagined possible. GarageBand itself is ridiculously easy to use so long as you use it for what it?s intended. The software driving the audio processing is virtually identical to that found in professional audio systems, but differs mainly in the way it?s controlled. The algorithms are the same as with pro systems and the sound quality emerging out of it is primarily limited by your microphones and the analogue/digital conversions. GarageBand has single button presets for many purposes, such as male speech or female vocals. Pressing the button gives you a sensible setting for those purposes and some modes offer a modest amount of tweaks, such as reverberation time. When you roll your sleeves up and delve a little deeper, you find reverb processors offering more than a dozen variables, multi-spectrum dynamics processors offering different dynamics processing for each part of the audio spectrum, or exceedingly powerful equalisers. However although they have sliders enabling users to make subtle adjustments, they don?t have metering, you have to make an adjustment, play the track and listen in order to assess how it sounds. For an inexperienced user, that?s not a very good way of working and even for somebody experienced in such technology, it?s not a very satisfactory way to work, but on the other hand it?s a free feature which is built into every Mac. Alan Taylor > On 1 Jan 2021, at 11:35, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Further to Alan T s post on GarageBand I decided to investigate > Its basically a Fisher Price version of Logic and contains some of its best plug ins (Space Designer, Delay Designer ,various comp limiters etc) > However in the entire DAW which enables multitrack record and mastering there is no metering of any substance, they are mere tiny bar indicators > The entire process is normalised between record stages and final master track > There is no proper metering that can be applied to it, especially with OS 11.1 > No wonder there is confusion about levels and levelling, its all hidden from view of the ?creatives? > > Roger > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Fri Jan 1 09:00:32 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 15:00:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Bernard, Blackmagic Design bought Fairlight and then started putting it in with the DaVinci Resolve software.....and still making it completely free, unless you need the very few additions that would make you pay the ?280ish for the Pro version, certainly makes it worth exploring. I 'joined the Fairlight club' in 1996 when I had just started my first audio post production suite at Ace Editing, near TVC. The amazingly ergonomic Fairlight MFX3plus control panel (just about ?20k in 1996!) was so perfect to use, with it's big jog wheel and dedicated buttons for all editing functions and along with a Yamaha 02R digital desk, I dubbed away happily for years....secretly laughing at users who still 'moused around' and used those hard to recall 'keystrokes', on their Pro Tools rigs. Little did I realise that the very cheapness of not buying a Fairlight like control panel would give those users an advantage, as freelancers working in cheap 'audio suites', within video edit facilities would begin to win the dubbing work away from us 'independent audio post production facilities'. My final 5.1 surround sound Fairlight based room, which was now at Pinewood, became just too expensive as it was based around a stunning 24 fader (196 track) Constellation XT console with built in editor panel (well over ?100k's worth)....and I just couldn't get enough high end work to pay the bills there, as the TV market continued 'downhill'. [image: 2007-Postfade Sound Pinewood.jpg] So I view the 'new Fairlight' in the light of what went before. Can such an amazing hardware based DAW be converted into an audio 'page' in a video software package? Well I have discovered that if you buy the now considerably cheaper Blackmagic Fairlight Editor at say ?4K.....you get a 'Xynergi', with a few minor changes. Xynergi was Fairlights last hardware control panel, a brilliant panel that did everything you could ask...along with switch buttons to operate your Windows programmes as well....and the Resolve software, when coupled with the Editor panel is as probably good as it ever was. However....within Resolve, with just a mouse and a keyboard.... apart from wishing there was a 'jog wheel' to navigate around with, you're going to find quite a lot doesn't quite work as you'd expect alas. Furthermore, as they are re- writing the software away from being 'hardware controlled' as fast as they can, they are 'breaking things' along with 'adding things'! For instance the method everyone relied on to bring in your audio from the video edit, was an AAF File Import, which had replaced OMFI as the file type of choice, coming from the video editor's Avid, Final Cut Pro or Premier workstations. I tried some of my old AAF Imports in Resolve V16 and that worked, however in Resolve V17...AAF importing is broken and you don't get all the video editors audio files at all. So I can't professionally use Resolve 17 unless I find clients giving out Resolve Project files I guess. They will mend it I know, along with introducing all the original Fairlight goodies, but I'm still waiting until I can use it instead of loading up my projects in an old version of Nuendo that is still opening AAF files a treat. Dave Taylor postfade.co.uk Get BlueMail for Android On 1 Jan 2021, at 12:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > What do we think of Fairlight, part of DaVinci Resolve? It seems to have > lots of pro stuff in it, but I'm not that pro, and struggle. > > B > > > > On 01/01/2021 11:34, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > Further to Alan T s post on GarageBand I decided to investigate > Its basically a Fisher Price version of Logic and contains some of its best plug ins (Space Designer, Delay Designer ,various comp limiters etc) > However in the entire DAW which enables multitrack record and mastering there is no metering of any substance, they are mere tiny bar indicators > The entire process is normalised between record stages and final master track > There is no proper metering that can be applied to it, especially with OS 11.1 > No wonder there is confusion about levels and levelling, its all hidden from view of the ?creatives? > > Roger > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Don't need it" he said, "it can all be done on the timeline". And it was. A whole new world.. I normally run about six audio tracks of audio on whatever editor I'm running, two for synced mono sound, two for music and two for various effects.? In the areas I've worked, that was generally it, and any audio EQ or whatever can be done there. Separate dubbing has never been something I've missed in the past 25 years, though I did enjoy those lines of light running across the screen in the dubbing theatre that was once studio G. I was wanting to add a voiceover to something I was doing recently, so I thought I might give Fairlight a go. I gave up after a while - too complex. I used Audacity instead.? We were also playing with VST add-ons to Fairlight using electronic keyboards in recent U3A sessions. For the plugins it would work with, it was fine. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 09:58:32 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 15:58:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fairlight In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <09cdabd7-3526-6ad3-8a3d-5ec463a30b2a@gmail.com> On 01/01/2021 15:00, David Taylor wrote: > my first audio post production suite at Ace Editing, near TVC. Then I think you may well have done some work for me!? Can't remember what, but I did have a session in that suite, and spent a lot of time at Ace doing other stuff. I think, apart from very high end stuff, separate dubbing is a thing of the past, like much else.? I worked on Morning Surgery in 1996, at a hospital in Alnwick.? We had about the first UK online Avid, with quality editor Peter Parnham.? Peter was asked by our exec producer "What about dubbing?"? "Don't need it" he said, "it can all be done on the timeline". And it was. A whole new world.. 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Jan 1 10:36:07 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:36:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58e814747fdavesound@btinternet.com> In article , David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > The college kids never did learn what dialogue on a good AKG or Neumann > mic or a boom sounds like, and don't attempt to use the EQ to get all > those radio mics sounding any good. Video editors often don't know that > 'track 1 has a boom' and 'track 2 has a radio-mic' for instance, so they > go and mix them both together, as any experienced recordist knows. I well remember one very good and experienced editor. Originally film, and had re-trained for off-line/re-conform video when cassette became the norm. With at least one BAFTA to his name. A colleague was experimenting and send both booms on one track and radios on the other. Radios un monitored - levels just set at the start of a take. Boom work was to a very decent standard. It was all explained to the editor. He actually used the radios for all the TX edit. Preferred the intimate sound of them. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Fri Jan 1 10:54:24 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 16:54:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fairlight In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Bernard, OK....I'm biased, but I think an 'audio professional' doing the dubbing will always be able to improve on what the editor thinks is 'OK'. In the same way as a good 'colourist' can bring magic to the pictures, over what the editor can do in the Avid. Once I had shaken off the 'live entertainment show mixer' label and settled into post-production; documentaries were my favourite type of programme. In the early years of course we had to 're-conform' the audio from the shoot tapes using the editors EDL's. A sound-mixer was then able to select the best of the audio tracks on those tapes for his dub. Editors were later giving us OMFI files straight from the Avid with his choices on them and often it was still better to go back to the shoot tapes to improve on that. It's hard to stick to only one type of programme though so when 'Scrapheap Challenge' came my way, it was probably the first of the 'microphones on everything' shows that is the way most 'reality shows' later went. Scrapheap had helmet mounted radio mics on each contestant and both judges, plus hidden FX mics scattered around. When I started it they had done a couple of series using timecoded 8-track DA88 recorders for both recording days. So we had 6x8 tracks per show and sometimes more. The editor used a guide mix track layed down in the sound recording van. It had come by another radio feed from the main camera on each team and sometimes crackled or had the wrong mic on it. Next series moved to recording on hard drives, so I spent days re-conforming separate audio files stacked up on the drives now using timecoded EDL's to get those. The budget was still equivalent to a straight forward Channel 4 hour show, so I could never recover the many hours spent searching for the best mic to use. Television sound is much poorer now that it's considered 'just fine' for the editor's tracks and his EQ to be used and I moved from docs to wildlife work when I could, as there is virtually no original sound in say a Discovery wildlife programme. Everything is concocted in the track-laying/dubbing suite from the library of animal sounds and the talents of your foley artists! Even the David Attenborough Planets Series, which do often have some work by location sound recordists involved must be at least 80% 'made up sound'. DT On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 at 15:55, Bernard Newnham wrote: > On 01/01/2021 15:00, David Taylor wrote: > > my first audio post production suite at Ace Editing, near TVC. > > > > > Then I think you may well have done some work for me! Can't remember > what, but I did have a session in that suite, and spent a lot of time at > Ace doing other stuff. > > I think, apart from very high end stuff, separate dubbing is a thing of > the past, like much else. I worked on Morning Surgery in 1996, at a > hospital in Alnwick. We had about the first UK online Avid, with quality > editor Peter Parnham. Peter was asked by our exec producer "What about > dubbing?" "Don't need it" he said, "it can all be done on the timeline". > And it was. A whole new world.. > > I normally run about six audio tracks of audio on whatever editor I'm > running, two for synced mono sound, two for music and two for various > effects. In the areas I've worked, that was generally it, and any audio EQ > or whatever can be done there. Separate dubbing has never been something > I've missed in the past 25 years, though I did enjoy those lines of light > running across the screen in the dubbing theatre that was once studio G. > > I was wanting to add a voiceover to something I was doing recently, so I > thought I might give Fairlight a go. I gave up after a while - too complex. > I used Audacity instead. We were also playing with VST add-ons to > Fairlight using electronic keyboards in recent U3A sessions. For the > plugins it would work with, it was fine. > > B > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Jan 1 13:56:12 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 19:56:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cutting edge technology In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> , Message-ID: Amidst all these cutting edge VST plugins, Fairlight and U3A (I suspect Mac) stuff which is a foreign language to me, I have a cutting edge technology question that you folk might be able to help me with. My Son and his Chinese wife have given me a beautiful steel chef?s carving knife. Actually, not one, but two. They are of the finest quality steel, rolled and folded 18 times apparently (see pic), and I?m sure would have cost stupid money in Harrods, but not so where they were made. Very posh. Not a very good pic, because it?s a surprisingly difficult thing to get a good pic of. So, the thing is, what?s the best way to keep them in tip-tip cutting condition? I have a set of Sabatier knives that I do my best with, but they never cut like you see on Masterchef! These ones I?m not going to allow anyone else to touch, chuck in the sink, or put in the dishwasher. I have a fancy sharpening thingy where you drag the blade very lightly across two ceramic bars, but the result is never good enough to slice a tomato cleanly. Maybe Sabatier isn?t all it?s cracked up to be? So what does the team think? Before I wreck these knives, what do I need to keep them in tip-top condition? Cheers, Nick. [cid:CF28AFB2-40C6-4C0D-99EA-87BDEF1E2352-L0-001] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 1 Jan 2021, at 15:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? On 01/01/2021 15:00, David Taylor wrote: my first audio post production suite at Ace Editing, near TVC. Then I think you may well have done some work for me! Can't remember what, but I did have a session in that suite, and spent a lot of time at Ace doing other stuff. I think, apart from very high end stuff, separate dubbing is a thing of the past, like much else. I worked on Morning Surgery in 1996, at a hospital in Alnwick. We had about the first UK online Avid, with quality editor Peter Parnham. Peter was asked by our exec producer "What about dubbing?" "Don't need it" he said, "it can all be done on the timeline". And it was. A whole new world.. I normally run about six audio tracks of audio on whatever editor I'm running, two for synced mono sound, two for music and two for various effects. In the areas I've worked, that was generally it, and any audio EQ or whatever can be done there. Separate dubbing has never been something I've missed in the past 25 years, though I did enjoy those lines of light running across the screen in the dubbing theatre that was once studio G. I was wanting to add a voiceover to something I was doing recently, so I thought I might give Fairlight a go. I gave up after a while - too complex. I used Audacity instead. We were also playing with VST add-ons to Fairlight using electronic keyboards in recent U3A sessions. For the plugins it would work with, it was fine. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3152494 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 1 14:15:44 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 20:15:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cutting edge technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Those knives look fabulous. I sharpen our kitchen knives much like I do woodworking tools, by using a fine whetstone mounted in a little wooden housing. I use it dry, but some use a little water or oil. Honing the knives is a different process and I do that using a steel. As I understand it, sharpening abrades a tiny amount of steel, while honing realigns what?s there to make a really sharp edge. Honing is done frequently ( most weeks in my case ), while sharpening is only done a couple of times each year, or if I?m about to do any fine work such as slicing a whole side of smoked salmon. Alan Taylor > On 1 Jan 2021, at 19:56, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ? Amidst all these cutting edge VST plugins, Fairlight and U3A (I suspect Mac) stuff which is a foreign language to me, I have a cutting edge technology question that you folk might be able to help me with. > My Son and his Chinese wife have given me a beautiful steel chef?s carving knife. Actually, not one, but two. They are of the finest quality steel, rolled and folded 18 times apparently (see pic), and I?m sure would have cost stupid money in Harrods, but not so where they were made. Very posh. Not a very good pic, because it?s a surprisingly difficult thing to get a good pic of. > So, the thing is, what?s the best way to keep them in tip-tip cutting condition? I have a set of Sabatier knives that I do my best with, but they never cut like you see on Masterchef! These ones I?m not going to allow anyone else to touch, chuck in the sink, or put in the dishwasher. I have a fancy sharpening thingy where you drag the blade very lightly across two ceramic bars, but the result is never good enough to slice a tomato cleanly. Maybe Sabatier isn?t all it?s cracked up to be? > So what does the team think? Before I wreck these knives, what do I need to keep them in tip-top condition? > Cheers, > Nick. > > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 1 Jan 2021, at 15:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> ? On 01/01/2021 15:00, David Taylor wrote: >>> my first audio post production suite at Ace Editing, near TVC. >> >> >> >> Then I think you may well have done some work for me! Can't remember what, but I did have a session in that suite, and spent a lot of time at Ace doing other stuff. >> >> I think, apart from very high end stuff, separate dubbing is a thing of the past, like much else. I worked on Morning Surgery in 1996, at a hospital in Alnwick. We had about the first UK online Avid, with quality editor Peter Parnham. Peter was asked by our exec producer "What about dubbing?" "Don't need it" he said, "it can all be done on the timeline". And it was. A whole new world.. >> >> I normally run about six audio tracks of audio on whatever editor I'm running, two for synced mono sound, two for music and two for various effects. In the areas I've worked, that was generally it, and any audio EQ or whatever can be done there. 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jan 1 14:25:44 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 20:25:44 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cutting edge technology In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com>, Message-ID: <665F823AD9964AF58D2D98254361A13D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Sadly I think the truth is that nothing surpasses the keenness of edge achieved by use of the traditional steel as wielded skilfully by generations of butchers. I?ve never mastered it so face the same dilemma as you. Re Sabatier I?m sure I?ve read that the name no longer means anything and is applied to products from a number of makers. The two best quality knives we have are Wusthof and they do offer quite sophisticated sharpeners. The device you mention is not always seen as ideal, though that may just be the purists. While writing this, Alan?s response has just come through and as ever it is thoroughly sound. A whetstone is as good as it gets for keeping wood chisels razor sharp. Writing ?Razor? reminds me of the old Rolls Razor which had its edge maintained by a leather strop, the same technique of course as used by traditional barbers for cut-throat razors. At all costs don?t use synthetic material chopping boards ? wood is best. Good luck, Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 7:56 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Cutting edge technology Amidst all these cutting edge VST plugins, Fairlight and U3A (I suspect Mac) stuff which is a foreign language to me, I have a cutting edge technology question that you folk might be able to help me with. My Son and his Chinese wife have given me a beautiful steel chef?s carving knife. Actually, not one, but two. They are of the finest quality steel, rolled and folded 18 times apparently (see pic), and I?m sure would have cost stupid money in Harrods, but not so where they were made. Very posh. Not a very good pic, because it?s a surprisingly difficult thing to get a good pic of. So, the thing is, what?s the best way to keep them in tip-tip cutting condition? I have a set of Sabatier knives that I do my best with, but they never cut like you see on Masterchef! These ones I?m not going to allow anyone else to touch, chuck in the sink, or put in the dishwasher. I have a fancy sharpening thingy where you drag the blade very lightly across two ceramic bars, but the result is never good enough to slice a tomato cleanly. Maybe Sabatier isn?t all it?s cracked up to be? So what does the team think? Before I wreck these knives, what do I need to keep them in tip-top condition? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 1 Jan 2021, at 15:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? On 01/01/2021 15:00, David Taylor wrote: my first audio post production suite at Ace Editing, near TVC. Then I think you may well have done some work for me! Can't remember what, but I did have a session in that suite, and spent a lot of time at Ace doing other stuff. I think, apart from very high end stuff, separate dubbing is a thing of the past, like much else. I worked on Morning Surgery in 1996, at a hospital in Alnwick. We had about the first UK online Avid, with quality editor Peter Parnham. Peter was asked by our exec producer "What about dubbing?" "Don't need it" he said, "it can all be done on the timeline". And it was. A whole new world.. I normally run about six audio tracks of audio on whatever editor I'm running, two for synced mono sound, two for music and two for various effects. In the areas I've worked, that was generally it, and any audio EQ or whatever can be done there. Separate dubbing has never been something I've missed in the past 25 years, though I did enjoy those lines of light running across the screen in the dubbing theatre that was once studio G. I was wanting to add a voiceover to something I was doing recently, so I thought I might give Fairlight a go. I gave up after a while - too complex. I used Audacity instead. We were also playing with VST add-ons to Fairlight using electronic keyboards in recent U3A sessions. For the plugins it would work with, it was fine. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Amidst all these cutting edge VST plugins, Fairlight and U3A (I suspect Mac) stuff which is a foreign language to me, I have a cutting edge technology question that you folk might be able to help me with. > My Son and his Chinese wife have given me a beautiful steel chef?s carving knife. Actually, not one, but two. They are of the finest quality steel, rolled and folded 18 times apparently (see pic), and I?m sure would have cost stupid money in Harrods, but not so where they were made. Very posh. Not a very good pic, because it?s a surprisingly difficult thing to get a good pic of. > So, the thing is, what?s the best way to keep them in tip-tip cutting condition? I have a set of Sabatier knives that I do my best with, but they never cut like you see on Masterchef! These ones I?m not going to allow anyone else to touch, chuck in the sink, or put in the dishwasher. I have a fancy sharpening thingy where you drag the blade very lightly across two ceramic bars, but the result is never good enough to slice a tomato cleanly. Maybe Sabatier isn?t all it?s cracked up to be? > So what does the team think? Before I wreck these knives, what do I need to keep them in tip-top condition? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Sat Jan 2 02:57:57 2021 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2021 08:57:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cutting edge technology In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> , Message-ID: Hi Nick What a wonderful gift. I have treated myself to a a number of premium knives over the years , some hand made in Japan. No problem about using wood or plastic chopping boards. Never put in a dishwasher. Keep in original box or in rack. Have a look at this chap's video about sharpening. Japanese knives generally have a 15 degree edge compared with a 22 deg one found in most Western ones. https://youtu.be/UdgN5LBVlGQ Cheers Rob Sent from my Xperia? by Sony smartphone ---- Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote ---- >Amidst all these cutting edge VST plugins, Fairlight and U3A (I suspect Mac) stuff which is a foreign language to me, I have a cutting edge technology question that you folk might be able to help me with. >My Son and his Chinese wife have given me a beautiful steel chef?s carving knife. Actually, not one, but two. They are of the finest quality steel, rolled and folded 18 times apparently (see pic), and I?m sure would have cost stupid money in Harrods, but not so where they were made. Very posh. Not a very good pic, because it?s a surprisingly difficult thing to get a good pic of. >So, the thing is, what?s the best way to keep them in tip-tip cutting condition? I have a set of Sabatier knives that I do my best with, but they never cut like you see on Masterchef! These ones I?m not going to allow anyone else to touch, chuck in the sink, or put in the dishwasher. I have a fancy sharpening thingy where you drag the blade very lightly across two ceramic bars, but the result is never good enough to slice a tomato cleanly. Maybe Sabatier isn?t all it?s cracked up to be? >So what does the team think? Before I wreck these knives, what do I need to keep them in tip-top condition? >Cheers, >Nick. >[cid:CF28AFB2-40C6-4C0D-99EA-87BDEF1E2352-L0-001] >Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >On 1 Jan 2021, at 15:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > >? On 01/01/2021 15:00, David Taylor wrote: >my first audio post production suite at Ace Editing, near TVC. > > > >Then I think you may well have done some work for me! Can't remember what, but I did have a session in that suite, and spent a lot of time at Ace doing other stuff. > >I think, apart from very high end stuff, separate dubbing is a thing of the past, like much else. I worked on Morning Surgery in 1996, at a hospital in Alnwick. We had about the first UK online Avid, with quality editor Peter Parnham. Peter was asked by our exec producer "What about dubbing?" "Don't need it" he said, "it can all be done on the timeline". And it was. A whole new world.. > >I normally run about six audio tracks of audio on whatever editor I'm running, two for synced mono sound, two for music and two for various effects. In the areas I've worked, that was generally it, and any audio EQ or whatever can be done there. Separate dubbing has never been something I've missed in the past 25 years, though I did enjoy those lines of light running across the screen in the dubbing theatre that was once studio G. > >I was wanting to add a voiceover to something I was doing recently, so I thought I might give Fairlight a go. I gave up after a while - too complex. I used Audacity instead. We were also playing with VST add-ons to Fairlight using electronic keyboards in recent U3A sessions. For the plugins it would work with, it was fine. > >B > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jan 2 04:30:49 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 10:30:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> , Message-ID: <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Jan 2 04:41:33 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 10:41:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> , , <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Unless you?re American, in which case the day and month are arse-about-face! Never have been able to see any logic in that. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 2 Jan 2021, at 10:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Jan 2 04:53:12 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2021 10:53:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 2 05:06:06 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 11:06:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> References: <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> Message-ID: And after 2020, the next year to have two pairs of numbers will be 2112. > On 2 Jan 2021, at 10:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Jan 2 05:44:32 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2021 11:44:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58e87d97d3davesound@btinternet.com> What really annoys is a website where you have to fill in such details and with US software. And asks for your county as a required field. In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Unless you?re American, in which case the day and month are arse-about-face! > Never have been able to see any logic in that. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sat Jan 2 06:09:25 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 12:09:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <58e87d97d3davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> , <58e87d97d3davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Most of your address is superfluous nowadays anyway. Even more so if no-one else has your same postcode. My Son sent me a postcard from Shenzhen in China, addressed to: Nick, GU23 7DB, U.K. It got to me in only three days. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 2 Jan 2021, at 11:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?What really annoys is a website where you have to fill in such details and > with US software. And asks for your county as a required field. > > In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Unless you're American, in which case the day and month are arse-about-face! >> Never have been able to see any logic in that. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Jan 2 06:17:47 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 12:17:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> , <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <471becb.19db5.176c308429d.Webtop.118@btinternet.com> Damn! I was asleep at one minute past two, this morning, and so missed the moment when it was 212121. But I shall look forward to the moment at twenty-one minutes past twelve on Feb 1st, when it's 12211221. Useless it may be, but this is the sort of information I enjoy, Pat. Keep it coming! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "patheigham via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 10:30 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Jan 2 07:18:03 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 13:18:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E02E4A6-8111-445B-B753-F98E6406E1C5@me.com> We live in a house with a name instead of a number. When my German in-laws address a letter by hand, everything is fine because they write it the way that we do, but if they send a parcel things start going awry. The German convention is that you write the street name with the house number after it, such as Downing Street 10. When they send a parcel, it needs a computer printed label with barcodes, which is printed at the post office. Street name is fine, but the software insists that a house number is specified. In the absence of a number, they put 1. There is no field for a house name, so it gets put into line two of the address field. When it reaches us, if we have a driver who doesn?t know us, they try to deliver to the house with number 1 ( only six houses actually have numbers, they are between 1 and 10 and of course they are not sequentially along the village ). As it happens, number 1 is currently unoccupied, so if we get a message saying our parcel has been delivered, we have to go to no 1 and try and find where our parcel might have been left. Presumably there was a card pushed through the letterbox saying that the parcel was left in the woodshed or something similar. Alan Taylor > On 2 Jan 2021, at 12:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Most of your address is superfluous nowadays anyway. Even more so if no-one else has your same postcode. My Son sent me a postcard from Shenzhen in China, addressed to: > Nick, GU23 7DB, U.K. > It got to me in only three days. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From waresound at msn.com Sat Jan 2 08:00:24 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 14:00:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <471becb.19db5.176c308429d.Webtop.118@btinternet.com> References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> , <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com>, <471becb.19db5.176c308429d.Webtop.118@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Something that might be useless information, or not if you happen to have an interest in architecture, is a fascinating little book called ?How to Read Buildings?. It measures only 5.5? x 6.5?, so easy to carry around wherever you go (if we?re ever allowed to again). Containing 250 pages of drawings and explanations of features like Crown Post Roofs, Bargeboards, Windbraces, Hammerbeam Roofs, Pillasters, Corbels, and thousands more. Search ?How to Read Buildings? on Amazon Prime. And there are others: ?How to Read Churches?, ?How to Read Modern Buildings? etc. Just memorise a few snippets and drop a few names at the right moment and your friends will be amazed at how knowledgeable you are (or not)! Or if you are about to put in a planning application to build a Gothic extension with flying buttresses and Roman Capitals on the front of your house, it might prove useful. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 2 Jan 2021, at 12:18, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? Damn! I was asleep at one minute past two, this morning, and so missed the moment when it was 212121. But I shall look forward to the moment at twenty-one minutes past twelve on Feb 1st, when it's 12211221. Useless it may be, but this is the sort of information I enjoy, Pat. Keep it coming! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "patheigham via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 10:30 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 Pat Sent from Mail for Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Jan 2 11:32:19 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:32:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Years Eve Drone show Message-ID: <914342288C554A6CA4E2D76985513FB5@Gigabyte> I am sure my ex colleague from OBs wont mind me sharing this slightly technical information with you. An amazing set-up. He is now one of the main guys at Timeline TV who were originally based (before expansion) at Ealing Television Film Studios! Hope it isn?t TOOO techie! Mike It was a very bizarre programme to work on, so much effort for only 10 minutes of television. The RF aspects of the job alone was huge - I booked 350MHz of spectrum for it, satellite circuits between Wembley, Trinity Buoy Wharf (which we had to uplink from the south side of the O2 Arena due to clearance issues with the nearby airport, microwave links between St Magnus House (next to London Bridge) and the BT Tower for the main and backup circuits, and also IP links between St Magnus House and the Adelphi where we had a derig on the roof. There were radio cameras on hoists at Richmond Terrace (for the Big Ben shot), St Michaels Church Wembley, Tokyngton Community Centre, Wembley, There were also radio cameras on HMS President (x2), City Hall, The Shard, as well as 2 either side of Trinity Buoy Wharf. We should have had 2 Helicopters too, but they were not able to fly due to the low cloud base, and ended up stuck at Redhill. They would have been received at St Magnus House, Trinity Buoy Wharf and Wembley. The paperwork for the job took forever, and I hope I never need to do a RAMS for the Shard ever again to use the 87th (and top) floor. The overall Method Statement for the lighting boys and us ran to 81 pages. I'm glad it was well received - and I watched it myself when I got home after the derig at 4am, and opened a beer....... And another post There is another note to add, and that's the whole programme was driven by the clock, as is fitting on NYE. If the helicopters were flying then they didn't need production talkback, as they both would have flown into Westminster, and then one to the O2 Arena, and the other to Wembley. In the 10 minutes they could only offer the shots that were scripted. Latency on all the circuits were checked to make sure it all timed together OK - the uplink at the O2 fed by radio link was only encoded once on the backup satellite encoder at TBW, and the ASI passed over the Thames, and the feeds on the Adelphi link to SMH was also an ASI onpass of the Richmond Terrace hoist camera- not that a shot of the Big Ben face being delayed by an extra frame would be noticed of course. There were high power radio mics on Big Ben and on the Wembley Stadium roof to hear the fireworks there. The entire Wembley set up was only on air for about 30 seconds, and none of the 13 radio cameras and 6 cabled cameras (plus the two helicopter cameras had they flown) obviously would have been on air for much time at all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Useless it may be, but this is the sort of information I enjoy, Pat. Keep it coming! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "patheigham via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 10:30 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 6AC4201072464D06812660A46662B29C.png Type: image/png Size: 139 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE Sent: 02 January 2021 12:17 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Damn! I was asleep at one minute past two, this morning, and so missed the moment when it was 212121. But I shall look forward to the moment at twenty-one minutes past twelve on Feb 1st, when it's 12211221. Useless it may be, but this is the sort of information I enjoy, Pat. Keep it coming! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "patheigham via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 10:30 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 6AC4201072464D06812660A46662B29C.png Type: image/png Size: 139 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have treated myself to a a number of premium knives over the years , some hand made in Japan. No problem about using wood or plastic chopping boards. Never put in a dishwasher. Keep in original box or in rack. Have a look at this chap's video about sharpening. Japanese knives generally have a 15 degree edge compared with a 22 deg one found in most Western ones. https://youtu.be/UdgN5LBVlGQ Cheers Rob Sent from my Xperia? by Sony smartphone ---- Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote ---- Amidst all these cutting edge VST plugins, Fairlight and U3A (I suspect Mac) stuff which is a foreign language to me, I have a cutting edge technology question that you folk might be able to help me with. My Son and his Chinese wife have given me a beautiful steel chef?s carving knife. Actually, not one, but two. They are of the finest quality steel, rolled and folded 18 times apparently (see pic), and I?m sure would have cost stupid money in Harrods, but not so where they were made. Very posh. Not a very good pic, because it?s a surprisingly difficult thing to get a good pic of. So, the thing is, what?s the best way to keep them in tip-tip cutting condition? I have a set of Sabatier knives that I do my best with, but they never cut like you see on Masterchef! These ones I?m not going to allow anyone else to touch, chuck in the sink, or put in the dishwasher. I have a fancy sharpening thingy where you drag the blade very lightly across two ceramic bars, but the result is never good enough to slice a tomato cleanly. Maybe Sabatier isn?t all it?s cracked up to be? So what does the team think? Before I wreck these knives, what do I need to keep them in tip-top condition? Cheers, Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The details are very hazy for me, being "a very long time ago". > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > From waresound at msn.com Sat Jan 2 13:51:00 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:51:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty Message-ID: I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? OFF. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Jan 2 15:40:33 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 21:40:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <44D142F41D294EEDAED945BFC92434CA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com>, <5ff04b59.1c69fb81.3e260.7064@mx.google.com><471becb.19db5.176c308429d.Webtop.118@btinternet.com> <5ff0b390.1c69fb81.dbc3a.7575@mx.google.com> <44D142F41D294EEDAED945BFC92434CA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <77fceb07.198b5.176c50b7dee.Webtop.119@btinternet.com> That was my logic - 12.21hrs on 2nd. 1st. '21 - following your own system of not bothering with zeros, ordinals, centuries, etc. Otherwise it would have to be 12.21.01.02.2021, which doesn't have the charm. However, the 12th February could be written as 12.02.2021, which is back to being a palindrome. As would two minutes past midday, on the twentieth of February, this year = 12.02.20.02.2021. (would also work on the 10th, Jan; 30th March; 1st Oct; 11th Nov and 21st Dec. - I think.) You've started my brain working, Pat. It's not used to it! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "David Newbitt" To: "patheigham" ; "ROGER BUNCE" ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 18:00 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Hi Pat ? looks like 12.21(time) 1.2.21(date) Open another bottle! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:55 PM To: ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Hi Rog, I can?t work out how you arrive at those numbers ? could you break them down for me? Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE Sent: 02 January 2021 12:17 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Damn! I was asleep at one minute past two, this morning, and so missed the moment when it was 212121. But I shall look forward to the moment at twenty-one minutes past twelve on Feb 1st, when it's 12211221. Useless it may be, but this is the sort of information I enjoy, Pat. Keep it coming! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "patheigham via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 10:30 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess he?s a new boy trying to make a name for himself by dressing the Emperor in a new suit of clothes and hopes to win praise from people like Peter Kosminski who used wobbly-cam to extinction on Wolf Hall for which he was hailed as a genius by the writer and others. I thought that a big mistake too as it just draws attention to the shots and away from the action. I can only imagine with Casualty the idea was to convey an air of how frantic the situation was and how it in those early days of unpreparedness the epidemic was escalating out of hand, as it was only done in the flashback scenes not when Connie was expressing her feelings to Charlie. When we got to the end, my wife commented how depressing the story had been and I too thought they had laid it on a bit thick. Incidentally I couldn?t help thinking how wooden Charlie has become, like he?s reading his lines off a board. I?ve noticed that before and he hasn?t improved. I know the character is very popular with the viewers and is the only one remaining of the original cast so they would be very reluctant to drop him. It would be like dropping Dixon from Dock Green - but now they have an ideal time to do it and let everyone mourn. He must be due retirement by any account now, surely. The same could be said (pardon the blasphemy), for The Archers failure to let the Peggy or Jill - or even Jim bow out gracefully through that final-exit door, instead of creating the unreal situation of Ambridge being ?Covid free?, as they announced it through most of last year. Why take that line when the virus was picking off so many people in real life. Again I think developments like that ain?t gonna happen, as it would have the switchboard jammed by callers from Tonbridge in no time? Geoff PS There?s nothing like a good grumble to get the year off to a fine start, is there? Disgusted of Chesham > On 2 Jan 2021, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? > OFF. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From Waresound at msn.com Sat Jan 2 16:33:25 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 22:33:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: <0AD7715F-8F95-40AF-970E-5165978D07D2@gmail.com> References: , <0AD7715F-8F95-40AF-970E-5165978D07D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: You mean to tell me there was a director, and even a crew? I thought it was just improvised acting with a bunch of runners with handycams! I can?t comment on the Archers. Like Corry, I?m proud to say I have never seen/heard a single episode - ever. And then, after McIntyre?s The Wheel, which I quite enjoy, on comes Ab Fab, which is in every way just that - Ab Fab. Or should that be Ab Professional? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 2 Jan 2021, at 21:55, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > > ?In a word, dreadful. I muttered out loud about it till my wife shut me up, for which I don?t blame her as she just wanted to follow the story. I was going to stop watching and post a comment here myself as I could almost hear the groans coming from our quarter. Instead I turned to RT to see who the director was and didn?t recognise the name. I guess he?s a new boy trying to make a name for himself by dressing the Emperor in a new suit of clothes and hopes to win praise from people like Peter Kosminski who used wobbly-cam to extinction on Wolf Hall for which he was hailed as a genius by the writer and others. > I thought that a big mistake too as it just draws attention to the shots and away from the action. > I can only imagine with Casualty the idea was to convey an air of how frantic the situation was and how it in those early days of unpreparedness the epidemic was escalating out of hand, as it was only done in the flashback scenes not when Connie was expressing her feelings to Charlie. When we got to the end, my wife commented how depressing the story had been and I too thought they had laid it on a bit thick. > Incidentally I couldn?t help thinking how wooden Charlie has become, like he?s reading his lines off a board. I?ve noticed that before and he hasn?t improved. I know the character is very popular with the viewers and is the only one remaining of the original cast so they would be very reluctant to drop him. It would be like dropping Dixon from Dock Green - but now they have an ideal time to do it and let everyone mourn. He must be due retirement by any account now, surely. > The same could be said (pardon the blasphemy), for The Archers failure to let the Peggy or Jill - or even Jim bow out gracefully through that final-exit door, instead of creating the unreal situation of Ambridge being ?Covid free?, as they announced it through most of last year. Why take that line when the virus was picking off so many people in real life. > Again I think developments like that ain?t gonna happen, as it would have the switchboard jammed by callers from Tonbridge in no time? > Geoff > PS There?s nothing like a good grumble to get the year off to a fine start, is there? > Disgusted of Chesham > >> On 2 Jan 2021, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? >> OFF. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 2 16:33:55 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 22:33:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <77fceb07.198b5.176c50b7dee.Webtop.119@btinternet.com> References: <77fceb07.198b5.176c50b7dee.Webtop.119@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1A6071D1-FE9A-446A-8E17-5D474BF527AF@mac.com> I made the observation earlier today that after 2020, the next year which will have two pairs of numbers is 2112, as revealed on yesterday?s University Challenge, but interestingly, although the beginning of my text appears as the headline in the list of sent mail, opening the message reveals nothing, not even a sniff, so I offer the nugget again. And another thing - can anybody on this forum follow Boris?s dad by applying for a European passport on the grounds of parentage? I presume any EU nationality will qualify. Mike G > On 2 Jan 2021, at 21:41, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > That was my logic - 12.21hrs on 2nd. 1st. '21 - following your own system of not bothering with zeros, ordinals, centuries, etc. Otherwise it would have to be 12.21.01.02.2021, which doesn't have the charm. > However, the 12th February could be written as 12.02.2021, which is back to being a palindrome. As would two minutes past midday, on the twentieth of February, this year = 12.02.20.02.2021. (would also work on the 10th, Jan; 30th March; 1st Oct; 11th Nov and 21st Dec. - I think.) > You've started my brain working, Pat. It's not used to it! > luv, Rog. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "David Newbitt" > To: "patheigham" ; "ROGER BUNCE" ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 18:00 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! > > > > > Hi Pat ? looks like 12.21(time) 1.2.21(date) > > > > Open another bottle! > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > > > From: patheigham via Tech1 > > Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:55 PM > > To: ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! > > > > > Hi Rog, > > I can?t work out how you arrive at those numbers ? could you break them down for me? > > > > Regards > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > From: ROGER BUNCE > Sent: 02 January 2021 12:17 > To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! > > > > > Damn! I was asleep at one minute past two, this morning, and so missed the moment when it was 212121. > > > But I shall look forward to the moment at twenty-one minutes past twelve on Feb 1st, when it's 12211221. > > Useless it may be, but this is the sort of information I enjoy, Pat. Keep it coming! > > luv, Rog. > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "patheigham via Tech1" > To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" > Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 10:30 > Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! > > > > Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > > <6AC4201072464D06812660A46662B29C.png> > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 2 16:44:31 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 22:44:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <960311A5-5E9C-49DC-AE3E-3F20B77F84B4@mac.com> We watched our first Wheel this evening, on our son?s recommendation, but gave up because of all the forced jollity and the fact that after ten minutes only one question had been asked! And I will leap to the Archers? defence for their first perhaps twenty years, but after Dan and Doris Archer and Walter Gabriel had gone, it seemed to go off-piste - my wife listens and it seems as depressing now as all the TV soaps. But I do regret the premature ending of At the Luscombes - West Country only, I believe - anybody remember that, or Meet the Huggets? Mike G > On 2 Jan 2021, at 22:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?You mean to tell me there was a director, and even a crew? I thought it was just improvised acting with a bunch of runners with handycams! > I can?t comment on the Archers. Like Corry, I?m proud to say I have never seen/heard a single episode - ever. > And then, after McIntyre?s The Wheel, which I quite enjoy, on comes Ab Fab, which is in every way just that - Ab Fab. Or should that be Ab Professional? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 2 Jan 2021, at 21:55, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: >> >> ?In a word, dreadful. I muttered out loud about it till my wife shut me up, for which I don?t blame her as she just wanted to follow the story. I was going to stop watching and post a comment here myself as I could almost hear the groans coming from our quarter. Instead I turned to RT to see who the director was and didn?t recognise the name. I guess he?s a new boy trying to make a name for himself by dressing the Emperor in a new suit of clothes and hopes to win praise from people like Peter Kosminski who used wobbly-cam to extinction on Wolf Hall for which he was hailed as a genius by the writer and others. >> I thought that a big mistake too as it just draws attention to the shots and away from the action. >> I can only imagine with Casualty the idea was to convey an air of how frantic the situation was and how it in those early days of unpreparedness the epidemic was escalating out of hand, as it was only done in the flashback scenes not when Connie was expressing her feelings to Charlie. When we got to the end, my wife commented how depressing the story had been and I too thought they had laid it on a bit thick. >> Incidentally I couldn?t help thinking how wooden Charlie has become, like he?s reading his lines off a board. I?ve noticed that before and he hasn?t improved. I know the character is very popular with the viewers and is the only one remaining of the original cast so they would be very reluctant to drop him. It would be like dropping Dixon from Dock Green - but now they have an ideal time to do it and let everyone mourn. He must be due retirement by any account now, surely. >> The same could be said (pardon the blasphemy), for The Archers failure to let the Peggy or Jill - or even Jim bow out gracefully through that final-exit door, instead of creating the unreal situation of Ambridge being ?Covid free?, as they announced it through most of last year. Why take that line when the virus was picking off so many people in real life. >> Again I think developments like that ain?t gonna happen, as it would have the switchboard jammed by callers from Tonbridge in no time? >> Geoff >> PS There?s nothing like a good grumble to get the year off to a fine start, is there? >> Disgusted of Chesham >> >>>> On 2 Jan 2021, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? >>> OFF. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 16:51:50 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 22:51:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: <0AD7715F-8F95-40AF-970E-5165978D07D2@gmail.com> References: <0AD7715F-8F95-40AF-970E-5165978D07D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve Hughes has been a semi-regular director on the series since 2012. This appears to be his 27th episode. Before that he did 43 episodes of Doctors and all manner of others dramas. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 9:55 PM To: Nick Ware Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Casualty In a word, dreadful. I muttered out loud about it till my wife shut me up, for which I don?t blame her as she just wanted to follow the story. I was going to stop watching and post a comment here myself as I could almost hear the groans coming from our quarter. Instead I turned to RT to see who the director was and didn?t recognise the name. I guess he?s a new boy trying to make a name for himself by dressing the Emperor in a new suit of clothes and hopes to win praise from people like Peter Kosminski who used wobbly-cam to extinction on Wolf Hall for which he was hailed as a genius by the writer and others. I thought that a big mistake too as it just draws attention to the shots and away from the action. I can only imagine with Casualty the idea was to convey an air of how frantic the situation was and how it in those early days of unpreparedness the epidemic was escalating out of hand, as it was only done in the flashback scenes not when Connie was expressing her feelings to Charlie. When we got to the end, my wife commented how depressing the story had been and I too thought they had laid it on a bit thick. Incidentally I couldn?t help thinking how wooden Charlie has become, like he?s reading his lines off a board. I?ve noticed that before and he hasn?t improved. I know the character is very popular with the viewers and is the only one remaining of the original cast so they would be very reluctant to drop him. It would be like dropping Dixon from Dock Green - but now they have an ideal time to do it and let everyone mourn. He must be due retirement by any account now, surely. The same could be said (pardon the blasphemy), for The Archers failure to let the Peggy or Jill - or even Jim bow out gracefully through that final-exit door, instead of creating the unreal situation of Ambridge being ?Covid free?, as they announced it through most of last year. Why take that line when the virus was picking off so many people in real life. Again I think developments like that ain?t gonna happen, as it would have the switchboard jammed by callers from Tonbridge in no time? Geoff PS There?s nothing like a good grumble to get the year off to a fine start, is there? Disgusted of Chesham > On 2 Jan 2021, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty > at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And > is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? > OFF. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Jan 2 16:55:15 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 22:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <1A6071D1-FE9A-446A-8E17-5D474BF527AF@mac.com> References: <1A6071D1-FE9A-446A-8E17-5D474BF527AF@mac.com> Message-ID: <51B5A80E-1E56-4761-A642-0F1F4E2BB3AD@me.com> My wife has Irish great grandparents, and it seems possible that not only she, but I can get an Irish passport/citizenship because of marriage. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 2 Jan 2021, at 22:34, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I made the observation earlier today that after 2020, the next year which will have two pairs of numbers is 2112, as revealed on yesterday?s University Challenge, but interestingly, although the beginning of my text appears as the headline in the list of sent mail, opening the message reveals nothing, not even a sniff, so I offer the nugget again. > > And another thing - can anybody on this forum follow Boris?s dad by applying for a European passport on the grounds of parentage? I presume any EU nationality will qualify. > > Mike G > >>> On 2 Jan 2021, at 21:41, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> That was my logic - 12.21hrs on 2nd. 1st. '21 - following your own system of not bothering with zeros, ordinals, centuries, etc. Otherwise it would have to be 12.21.01.02.2021, which doesn't have the charm. >> However, the 12th February could be written as 12.02.2021, which is back to being a palindrome. As would two minutes past midday, on the twentieth of February, this year = 12.02.20.02.2021. (would also work on the 10th, Jan; 30th March; 1st Oct; 11th Nov and 21st Dec. - I think.) >> You've started my brain working, Pat. It's not used to it! >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "David Newbitt" >> To: "patheigham" ; "ROGER BUNCE" ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 18:00 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! >> >> >> >> >> Hi Pat ? looks like 12.21(time) 1.2.21(date) >> >> >> >> Open another bottle! >> >> >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: patheigham via Tech1 >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:55 PM >> >> To: ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! >> >> >> >> >> Hi Rog, >> >> I can?t work out how you arrive at those numbers ? could you break them down for me? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> From: ROGER BUNCE >> Sent: 02 January 2021 12:17 >> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! >> >> >> >> >> Damn! I was asleep at one minute past two, this morning, and so missed the moment when it was 212121. >> >> >> But I shall look forward to the moment at twenty-one minutes past twelve on Feb 1st, when it's 12211221. >> >> Useless it may be, but this is the sort of information I enjoy, Pat. Keep it coming! >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "patheigham via Tech1" >> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" >> Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 10:30 >> Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! >> >> >> >> Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> >> <6AC4201072464D06812660A46662B29C.png> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 17:02:16 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 23:02:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <380AB051-7010-41CD-8ACE-EF9D973ECD58@gmail.com> I wouldn?t be listening to TA but am married to a fan and it?s on while we?re having our evening meal, so no escape. Casualty is the only soap we watch together though she likes Holly City too which I opt out of, Geoff > On 2 Jan 2021, at 22:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?You mean to tell me there was a director, and even a crew? I thought it was just improvised acting with a bunch of runners with handycams! > I can?t comment on the Archers. Like Corry, I?m proud to say I have never seen/heard a single episode - ever. > And then, after McIntyre?s The Wheel, which I quite enjoy, on comes Ab Fab, which is in every way just that - Ab Fab. Or should that be Ab Professional? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 2 Jan 2021, at 21:55, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: >> >> ?In a word, dreadful. I muttered out loud about it till my wife shut me up, for which I don?t blame her as she just wanted to follow the story. I was going to stop watching and post a comment here myself as I could almost hear the groans coming from our quarter. Instead I turned to RT to see who the director was and didn?t recognise the name. I guess he?s a new boy trying to make a name for himself by dressing the Emperor in a new suit of clothes and hopes to win praise from people like Peter Kosminski who used wobbly-cam to extinction on Wolf Hall for which he was hailed as a genius by the writer and others. >> I thought that a big mistake too as it just draws attention to the shots and away from the action. >> I can only imagine with Casualty the idea was to convey an air of how frantic the situation was and how it in those early days of unpreparedness the epidemic was escalating out of hand, as it was only done in the flashback scenes not when Connie was expressing her feelings to Charlie. When we got to the end, my wife commented how depressing the story had been and I too thought they had laid it on a bit thick. >> Incidentally I couldn?t help thinking how wooden Charlie has become, like he?s reading his lines off a board. I?ve noticed that before and he hasn?t improved. I know the character is very popular with the viewers and is the only one remaining of the original cast so they would be very reluctant to drop him. It would be like dropping Dixon from Dock Green - but now they have an ideal time to do it and let everyone mourn. He must be due retirement by any account now, surely. >> The same could be said (pardon the blasphemy), for The Archers failure to let the Peggy or Jill - or even Jim bow out gracefully through that final-exit door, instead of creating the unreal situation of Ambridge being ?Covid free?, as they announced it through most of last year. Why take that line when the virus was picking off so many people in real life. >> Again I think developments like that ain?t gonna happen, as it would have the switchboard jammed by callers from Tonbridge in no time? >> Geoff >> PS There?s nothing like a good grumble to get the year off to a fine start, is there? >> Disgusted of Chesham >> >>>> On 2 Jan 2021, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? >>> OFF. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 17:13:51 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 23:13:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EE0B50D-7CC1-40C7-9285-3ED37E80E540@gmail.com> Well, sorry if I insulted him with my terse remarks. I guess he was trying to match the frantic storyline with the shooting style, but in my opinion it made the camera operators look like amateurs using their mobiles. The story was a dismal one as I said previously, but to be fair, probably reflected what was and is happening in our hospitals. We are grateful for and salute the staff who put their lives at risk every day in caring for the patients, whose numbers we don?t want to find ourselves among, Geoff > On 2 Jan 2021, at 22:51, David Brunt wrote: > > ?Steve Hughes has been a semi-regular director on the series since 2012. This appears to be his 27th episode. > > Before that he did 43 episodes of Doctors and all manner of others dramas. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 9:55 PM > To: Nick Ware > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Casualty > > In a word, dreadful. I muttered out loud about it till my wife shut me up, for which I don?t blame her as she just wanted to follow the story. I was going to stop watching and post a comment here myself as I could almost hear the groans coming from our quarter. Instead I turned to RT to see who the director was and didn?t recognise the name. I guess he?s a new boy trying to make a name for himself by dressing the Emperor in a new suit of clothes and hopes to win praise from people like Peter Kosminski who used wobbly-cam to extinction on Wolf Hall for which he was hailed as a genius by the writer and others. > I thought that a big mistake too as it just draws attention to the shots and away from the action. > I can only imagine with Casualty the idea was to convey an air of how frantic the situation was and how it in those early days of unpreparedness the epidemic was escalating out of hand, as it was only done in the flashback scenes not when Connie was expressing her feelings to Charlie. When we got to the end, my wife commented how depressing the story had been and I too thought they had laid it on a bit thick. > Incidentally I couldn?t help thinking how wooden Charlie has become, like he?s reading his lines off a board. I?ve noticed that before and he hasn?t improved. I know the character is very popular with the viewers and is the only one remaining of the original cast so they would be very reluctant to drop him. It would be like dropping Dixon from Dock Green - but now they have an ideal time to do it and let everyone mourn. He must be due retirement by any account now, surely. > The same could be said (pardon the blasphemy), for The Archers failure to let the Peggy or Jill - or even Jim bow out gracefully through that final-exit door, instead of creating the unreal situation of Ambridge being ?Covid free?, as they announced it through most of last year. Why take that line when the virus was picking off so many people in real life. > Again I think developments like that ain?t gonna happen, as it would have the switchboard jammed by callers from Tonbridge in no time? > Geoff > PS There?s nothing like a good grumble to get the year off to a fine start, is there? > Disgusted of Chesham > >> On 2 Jan 2021, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? >> OFF. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 3 03:20:59 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 09:20:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty Message-ID: And I?m not taking back my earlier comments. If that?s the effect he wanted, which it obviously was, he achieved it remarkably well. Pity to inflict it on the entire Casualty-loyal BBC1 audience though. Bring on the day someone invents Image Stabilisation for television screens. - - Oh, I just did! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 2 Jan 2021, at 23:13, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > > ?Well, sorry if I insulted him with my terse remarks. I guess he was trying to match the frantic storyline with the shooting style, but in my opinion it made the camera operators look like amateurs using their mobiles. > The story was a dismal one as I said previously, but to be fair, probably reflected what was and is happening in our hospitals. We are grateful for and salute the staff who put their lives at risk every day in caring for the patients, whose numbers we don?t want to find ourselves among, > Geoff > >> On 2 Jan 2021, at 22:51, David Brunt wrote: >> ?Steve Hughes has been a semi-regular director on the series since 2012. This appears to be his 27th episode. >> Before that he did 43 episodes of Doctors and all manner of others dramas. >> -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 9:55 PM >> To: Nick Ware >> Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Casualty >> In a word, dreadful. I muttered out loud about it till my wife shut me up, for which I don?t blame her as she just wanted to follow the story. I was going to stop watching and post a comment here myself as I could almost hear the groans coming from our quarter. Instead I turned to RT to see who the director was and didn?t recognise the name. I guess he?s a new boy trying to make a name for himself by dressing the Emperor in a new suit of clothes and hopes to win praise from people like Peter Kosminski who used wobbly-cam to extinction on Wolf Hall for which he was hailed as a genius by the writer and others. >> I thought that a big mistake too as it just draws attention to the shots and away from the action. >> I can only imagine with Casualty the idea was to convey an air of how frantic the situation was and how it in those early days of unpreparedness the epidemic was escalating out of hand, as it was only done in the flashback scenes not when Connie was expressing her feelings to Charlie. When we got to the end, my wife commented how depressing the story had been and I too thought they had laid it on a bit thick. >> Incidentally I couldn?t help thinking how wooden Charlie has become, like he?s reading his lines off a board. I?ve noticed that before and he hasn?t improved. I know the character is very popular with the viewers and is the only one remaining of the original cast so they would be very reluctant to drop him. It would be like dropping Dixon from Dock Green - but now they have an ideal time to do it and let everyone mourn. He must be due retirement by any account now, surely. >> The same could be said (pardon the blasphemy), for The Archers failure to let the Peggy or Jill - or even Jim bow out gracefully through that final-exit door, instead of creating the unreal situation of Ambridge being ?Covid free?, as they announced it through most of last year. Why take that line when the virus was picking off so many people in real life. >> Again I think developments like that ain?t gonna happen, as it would have the switchboard jammed by callers from Tonbridge in no time? >> Geoff >> PS There?s nothing like a good grumble to get the year off to a fine start, is there? >> Disgusted of Chesham >>>> On 2 Jan 2021, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? >>> OFF. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 3 07:07:41 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2021 13:07:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58e9090affdavesound@btinternet.com> I was being kind and putting the wobblycam down to having to use longer lenses than usual on two shots etc because of social distancing. And perhaps the cameraman being rather out of practice. But I so agree about the aspect ratio. Wonder how many actually possess TVs with the correct one? It's a soap, FFS. Not some esoteric drama trying to look like a feature film. Just to continue the moans - I thought the makeup on 'Connie' way OTT. Suggested she had been wearing PPE far more than anyone else. Unless I'm missing something. In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? > OFF. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 3 07:23:03 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 13:23:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty wobblycam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ff1c537.1c69fb81.8dcfd.441f@mx.google.com> I also get annoyed with ?wobblycam?, and surmise that working handheld is faster than setting up legs, dolly & tracks etc. For me, it detracts from concentrating on the story, particularly in serious drama plays. A side issue ? I was enthralled by the musical ?42nd Street? which played at Theatre Royal, Drury Lane for a couple of years. It was such a good show that I took various friends on a number of occasions (10 in all, cost a fair bit, but probably the same as mounting a village hall bunfight to celebrate my 75th!) and discovered that it had been filmed for streaming (but only available in the US). However there was a chance to see it here in digital cinemas for a short while. It was shot with eight cameras in 4K, and the shots were rock steady, except where the jib camera was employed for controlled movement. Mind you it was going to be shown on 30ft screens in cinemas. I was also pleased that the edit director held the wide shot when necessary to show the staging and choreography. The sound re-mix was done at Pinewood, something like 83 radio mics in use! YouTube streamed a hi-def of it recently, so it was possible to capture a download for one?s own library! OK it?s a stage show, so the lighting not that conducive to television (lack of backlight, as that would shine into the audiences? eyes), but the music, staging and dancing made it great. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 03 January 2021 09:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Casualty And I?m not taking back my earlier comments. If that?s the effect he wanted, which it obviously was, he achieved it remarkably well. Pity to inflict it on the entire Casualty-loyal BBC1 audience though. Nick. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Worked on a movie once, set in the States, so a road was closed by our police so shots could be made with American cars driving on the right! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 03 January 2021 13:12 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Casualty But I so agree about the aspect ratio. Wonder how many actually possess TVs with the correct one? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 3 08:02:13 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2021 14:02:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Casualty wobblycam In-Reply-To: <5ff1c537.1c69fb81.8dcfd.441f@mx.google.com> References: <5ff1c537.1c69fb81.8dcfd.441f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58e90e0904davesound@btinternet.com> In article <5ff1c537.1c69fb81.8dcfd.441f at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I also get annoyed with ?wobblycam?, and surmise that working handheld > is faster than setting up legs, dolly & tracks etc. Are you saying Casualty was made to a different schedule than usual? I'm likely rare. I appreciate decent hand held stuff. Your head isn't totally static, and some slight movement of the camera looks real to me. Provided it isn't overdone. And to me it is if it distracts - same as any camera move. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 3 08:11:00 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2021 14:11:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Aspect Ratio Message-ID: <58e90ed79adavesound@btinternet.com> In article <5ff1c82b.1c69fb81.5d8e5.a406 at mx.google.com>, patheigham wrote: > I have a 22=95 Samsung which is manually switchable for the correct > aspect ratio, and sometimes automatically detects. However the playouts > don=91t bother to adjust for commercial breaks inserted as 16:9 into a > 4:3 programme, resulting in squashed adverts =97 well, they should be, > anyway! I watch a fair bit of 'legacy' stuff in 4:3 and my set changes to 16:9 for the ads. Not sure if the broadcaster has to set flags accordingly, though. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sun Jan 3 08:22:56 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 14:22:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty wobblycam In-Reply-To: <58e90e0904davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5ff1c537.1c69fb81.8dcfd.441f@mx.google.com> <58e90e0904davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On 03/01/2021 14:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > ....I appreciate decent hand held stuff. Your head isn't totally > static, and some slight movement of the camera looks real to me. I'd argue that the difference is that your body has proprioception - it knows where it is and how the bits are moving. Thus your brain anticipates and compensates for the normal movements of your head (and even the minute saccades that your eyes are making all the time). Your brain ~does~ accept (and therefore doesn't try to compensate for) the relatively slow, purposeful movements that your head makes as you turn to look at something else or walk towards it, and this maps to panning and tracking, which never feels uncomfortable. I'll accept that a "jostled" camera in crowd scene can feel right - the involuntary movement is what your brain expects in such a situation - but if it goes on too long it just gives rise to the same feeling as motion sickness. > Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alanaudio at me.com Sun Jan 3 08:35:27 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 14:35:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: <58e9090affdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e9090affdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <02DB20E7-7349-483B-99FF-8FE2048E25A7@me.com> I didn?t watch Casualty, but did read with interest the observations about it. It?s a refreshing change that this particular discussion isn?t about indistinct dialogue for once. I?m guessing that the reference to Connie?s make up relates to how she was portrayed as looking after prolonged wearing of PPE. Sadly some types of PPE do take their toll and play havoc with people?s looks. Some of Janet?s colleagues decline to wear the most effective PPE because the seal against the skin is ineffective if the user has worn foundation make up in the last twelve hours or so. Rather than be seen free of make up, they choose to wear less effective PPE. Many companies donate goodies to hospital staff at times like these and one of the most eagerly accepted donations is facial cream, which helps to rectify some of the adverse effects from prolonged wearing of PPE. Alan Taylor > On 3 Jan 2021, at 13:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I was being kind and putting the wobblycam down to having to use longer > lenses than usual on two shots etc because of social distancing. And > perhaps the cameraman being rather out of practice. > > But I so agree about the aspect ratio. Wonder how many actually possess > TVs with the correct one? It's a soap, FFS. Not some esoteric drama trying > to look like a feature film. > > Just to continue the moans - I thought the makeup on 'Connie' way OTT. > Suggested she had been wearing PPE far more than anyone else. Unless I'm > missing something. > > In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? >> OFF. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 3 09:35:46 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 15:35:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] In Memoriam - Doctor Who In-Reply-To: <7a0e0d32.19cb4.176c88ddc1a.Webtop.106@btinternet.com> References: <7a0e0d32.19cb4.176c88ddc1a.Webtop.106@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <92E6564B-A96C-4B42-8296-FA4298D9D667@mac.com> I thought Doctor Who always regenerated. Sorry, Roger ~ I know you?re a stickler for sentence construction! Mike G > On 3 Jan 2021, at 14:01, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > For those who haven't seen it already - > > > > Toby Hadoke's moving tribute to those who contributed to 'Doctor Who', who died in 2020. > > > > https://youtu.be/ETIhigg0l0E > > luv, Rog. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 3 11:47:57 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 17:47:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty wobblycam In-Reply-To: <58e90e0904davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5ff1c537.1c69fb81.8dcfd.441f@mx.google.com> <58e90e0904davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ff2034c.1c69fb81.ac4de.71bb@mx.google.com> No, I?ve no idea what the schedule is, either now or before, but from my film experience, I know how long it takes to set up & rehearse with legs and tracking, even if there is a brilliant grips. I did hear about a director that expressly wanted the handheld camera to waver a bit, as if the viewer was part of the action. Sorry, that doesn?t work for me! I can move my eyes around the screen, thanks. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 03 January 2021 14:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Casualty wobblycam Are you saying Casualty was made to a different schedule than usual? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 3 12:16:05 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 18:16:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 2021 Fun Message-ID: <5ff209e8.1c69fb81.27b03.7af2@mx.google.com> A bit of fun from a friend?s brother in the USA. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My arm hurt a lot for hours afterwards, but it was the right thing to do. B On 03/01/2021 17:47, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > No, I?ve no idea what the schedule is, either now or before, but from > my film experience, I know how long it takes to set up & rehearse with > legs and tracking, even if there is a brilliant grips. > > I did hear about a director that expressly wanted the handheld camera > to waver a bit, as if the viewer was part of the action. > > Sorry, that doesn?t work for me! I can move my eyes around the screen, > thanks. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Dave Plowman via Tech1 > *Sent: *03 January 2021 14:11 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Casualty wobblycam > > Are you saying Casualty was made to a different schedule than usual? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 01:33:05 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 07:33:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! In-Reply-To: <1A6071D1-FE9A-446A-8E17-5D474BF527AF@mac.com> References: <1A6071D1-FE9A-446A-8E17-5D474BF527AF@mac.com> Message-ID: <977DA26F-D5CA-4D28-8673-F3ECA13A3993@icloud.com> If my grandmother was still alive I could have applied for an Irish passport. Sent from my iPhone > On 2 Jan 2021, at 22:34, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I made the observation earlier today that after 2020, the next year which will have two pairs of numbers is 2112, as revealed on yesterday?s University Challenge, but interestingly, although the beginning of my text appears as the headline in the list of sent mail, opening the message reveals nothing, not even a sniff, so I offer the nugget again. > > And another thing - can anybody on this forum follow Boris?s dad by applying for a European passport on the grounds of parentage? I presume any EU nationality will qualify. > > Mike G > >>> On 2 Jan 2021, at 21:41, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> That was my logic - 12.21hrs on 2nd. 1st. '21 - following your own system of not bothering with zeros, ordinals, centuries, etc. Otherwise it would have to be 12.21.01.02.2021, which doesn't have the charm. >> However, the 12th February could be written as 12.02.2021, which is back to being a palindrome. As would two minutes past midday, on the twentieth of February, this year = 12.02.20.02.2021. (would also work on the 10th, Jan; 30th March; 1st Oct; 11th Nov and 21st Dec. - I think.) >> You've started my brain working, Pat. It's not used to it! >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "David Newbitt" >> To: "patheigham" ; "ROGER BUNCE" ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 18:00 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! >> >> >> >> >> Hi Pat ? looks like 12.21(time) 1.2.21(date) >> >> >> >> Open another bottle! >> >> >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: patheigham via Tech1 >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:55 PM >> >> To: ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! >> >> >> >> >> Hi Rog, >> >> I can?t work out how you arrive at those numbers ? could you break them down for me? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> From: ROGER BUNCE >> Sent: 02 January 2021 12:17 >> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! >> >> >> >> >> Damn! I was asleep at one minute past two, this morning, and so missed the moment when it was 212121. >> >> >> But I shall look forward to the moment at twenty-one minutes past twelve on Feb 1st, when it's 12211221. >> >> Useless it may be, but this is the sort of information I enjoy, Pat. Keep it coming! >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "patheigham via Tech1" >> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" >> Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 10:30 >> Subject: [Tech1] Mine of useless information! >> >> >> >> Today?s date can be written as 2121, and Feb 1st is palindromic 1221 >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> >> <6AC4201072464D06812660A46662B29C.png> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1E02E4A6-8111-445B-B753-F98E6406E1C5@me.com> References: <1E02E4A6-8111-445B-B753-F98E6406E1C5@me.com> Message-ID: <6BA1D0AB-281A-4CA1-BBE1-3952D2D9EDA2@btinternet.com> Our hamlet doesnt have street names or house numbers. Mail and delivery services get through. If a website demands a house no as the EU demands I merely enter Rookery Cottage 1 Seems to work Roger > On 2 Jan 2021, at 13:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > We live in a house with a name instead of a number. When my German in-laws address a letter by hand, everything is fine because they write it the way that we do, but if they send a parcel things start going awry. > > The German convention is that you write the street name with the house number after it, such as Downing Street 10. When they send a parcel, it needs a computer printed label with barcodes, which is printed at the post office. Street name is fine, but the software insists that a house number is specified. In the absence of a number, they put 1. There is no field for a house name, so it gets put into line two of the address field. > > When it reaches us, if we have a driver who doesn?t know us, they try to deliver to the house with number 1 ( only six houses actually have numbers, they are between 1 and 10 and of course they are not sequentially along the village ). As it happens, number 1 is currently unoccupied, so if we get a message saying our parcel has been delivered, we have to go to no 1 and try and find where our parcel might have been left. Presumably there was a card pushed through the letterbox saying that the parcel was left in the woodshed or something similar. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 2 Jan 2021, at 12:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Most of your address is superfluous nowadays anyway. Even more so if no-one else has your same postcode. My Son sent me a postcard from Shenzhen in China, addressed to: >> Nick, GU23 7DB, U.K. >> It got to me in only three days. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From tonynuttall at me.com Mon Jan 4 04:17:49 2021 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 10:17:49 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! Message-ID: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> I'm sure that it has its uses! https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM Tony N. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 4 04:33:39 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:33:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> Message-ID: <5ff2ef03.1c69fb81.8dcfd.ef68@mx.google.com> ?Room tone? was always captured when I worked in films, as was ?ext. Atmos? Noddies ? the reverse shots of the interviewer, for cutting in to shorten the spiel from the subject. Once, doing the noddies, the elderly interviewee, who remained in his seat, actually dozed off! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: William Nuttall via Tech1 Sent: 04 January 2021 10:18 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! I'm sure that it has its uses! https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM Tony N. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Jan 4 04:43:44 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:43:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> Message-ID: Its called a buzz track Better without the talent, who always fidget Difficult to get now as editors say they can loop ambience after the clapper But a proper room track is always useful > On 4 Jan 2021, at 10:17, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm sure that it has its uses! > > https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM > > Tony N. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Jan 4 05:24:04 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 11:24:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> Message-ID: <5FAB778F-E6AD-4365-984B-AEC4A92E5B6F@me.com> The term "Room Tone" has been around for a very long time and I've used it for at least twenty five years, maybe longer. In the Beeb it was generally called an atmos track and it's also known as a buzz track. It's a crucial element of any interview or drama if the editor is going to have chance to chop it up seamlessly. As editors don't always look at notes, I always get the cameraman to do a big close up of the boom mic while we record it, then it's pretty obvious what they will find there if they are only spooling through looking at the images. On productions where schedules are tight, getting everybody to stand still for thirty seconds can take a bit of negotiation and it's sometimes refused. If I'm working with a director who i know is sometimes reluctant to record room tone, I encourage the cameraman to go into record a little early before cueing the action and I mark those five seconds of silence as potential room tone if people were indeed silent. There was a great short comedy film, was it "String of Pearls"? The basic premise was that a gang of thieves professionally trained as a film crew in order to pretended to film a bank robbery inside a bank, turning it into a real bank robbery once they were inside the bank. The film contained many brilliant inside jokes. Having completed their heist, they were just about to make their getaway when the robber who was posing as the sound recordist declared that they needed to record a 30 second atmos track. Everybody froze and the recordist listened intently to his headphones. True to form the sparks continued de-rigging, but quietly and then the recordist said it was no good as he could hear sirens. At which point the police burst in. Alan Taylor On 4 Jan 2021, at 4 Jan . 10:17, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: > I'm sure that it has its uses! > > https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM > > Tony N. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 4 05:20:21 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 11:20:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> Message-ID: <58e9830dbadavesound@btinternet.com> In article <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f at me.com>, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: > I'm sure that it has its uses! > https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM > Tony N. I well remember shooting in a real courtroom (so pretty quiet) with it full of walk-ons. In a suitable break, recorded stereo atmos of them all doing pretty well nothing. One of the most useful tracks I ever made. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 4 05:36:00 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 11:36:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty wobblycam Message-ID: ?That Casualty looked more like Easymount than handheld. Easymount seems to be th?e norm these days, because it speeds the whole shooting process up, actors don?t have to hit their marks, and neither do camera operators because they can adjust more freely than a tripod, Dolly, or Ped. A huge advantage for Soaps and TV drama. Less likely to cause long-term back injury and lop-sided shoulders, too! Can be steady, but it?s also open to abuse. Long lenses obviously exaggerate camera unsteadiness. I don?t buy the argument that camera wobble mimics the viewer?s head movement. I don?t know about anyone else, but if I move, my brain knows the room isn?t moving, and my eyes stay ateady on what part of the scene I?m looking at. I don?t see my surroundings wobbling around in a stationary rectangular frame. Therefore camera wobble can?t look natural. When I first saw Easymount I thought what a crass idea, suspending the camera on a piece of bungey elastic. But actually, it might be a stroke of genius. I still say, though, bring on image stabilisation in TV sets. Isn?t that what 4K is for?? (Add your own smiley here). [cid:DFDF36B3-4978-4408-A5F3-97B87DEBFBED]Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 3 Jan 2021, at 17:48, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? No, I?ve no idea what the schedule is, either now or before, but from my film experience, I know how long it takes to set up & rehearse with legs and tracking, even if there is a brilliant grips. I did hear about a director that expressly wanted the handheld camera to waver a bit, as if the viewer was part of the action. Sorry, that doesn?t work for me! I can move my eyes around the screen, thanks. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 03 January 2021 14:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Casualty wobblycam Are you saying Casualty was made to a different schedule than usual? ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 44254 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 4 06:07:27 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:07:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <58e9830dbadavesound@btinternet.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com>, <58e9830dbadavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: With modern day sampling and spectral audio editing, room tone can be used to reduce the underlying atmos (such as air conditioning, etc.) throughout the scene, rather than just adding more on top of what?s there, or missing in gaps. Whether anyone actually bothers is another matter. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f at me.com>, > William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: >> I'm sure that it has its uses! > >> https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM > >> Tony N. > > I well remember shooting in a real courtroom (so pretty quiet) with it > full of walk-ons. > > In a suitable break, recorded stereo atmos of them all doing pretty well > nothing. > > One of the most useful tracks I ever made. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 4 06:09:11 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:09:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <5FAB778F-E6AD-4365-984B-AEC4A92E5B6F@me.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> <5FAB778F-E6AD-4365-984B-AEC4A92E5B6F@me.com> Message-ID: <5ff30567.1c69fb81.8466c.65a2@mx.google.com> The other problem that takes some negotiation, is if a wildtrack of scene dialogue is needed. The First Assistant directors are always pushing to get on to the next set-up, and want to leave it until the end of the day. No good ? it needs to be done while the actors have got the delivery firmly nailed. I usually persuaded to get set up as if another take, but just don?t run the camera. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 04 January 2021 11:24 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! The term "Room Tone" has been around for a very long time and I've used it for at least twenty five years, maybe longer. ?In the Beeb it was generally called an atmos track and it's also known as a buzz track. It's a crucial element of any interview or drama if the editor is going to have ?chance to chop it up seamlessly. ?As editors don't always look at notes, I always get the cameraman to do a big close up of the boom mic while we record it, then it's pretty obvious what they will find there if they are only spooling through looking at the images. On productions where schedules are tight, getting everybody to stand still for thirty seconds can take a bit of negotiation and it's sometimes refused. If I'm working with a director who i know is sometimes reluctant to record room tone, I encourage the cameraman to go into record a little early before cueing the action and I mark those five seconds of silence as potential room tone if people were indeed silent. There was a great short comedy film, was it "String of Pearls"? ?The basic premise was that a gang of thieves professionally trained as a film crew in order to pretended to film a bank robbery inside a bank, turning it into a real bank robbery once they were inside the bank. ?The film contained many brilliant inside jokes. Having completed their heist, they were just about to make their getaway when the robber who was posing as the sound recordist declared that they needed to record a 30 second atmos track. Everybody froze and the recordist listened intently to his headphones. ?True to form the sparks continued de-rigging, but quietly and then the recordist said it was no good as he could hear sirens. ?At which point the police burst in. Alan Taylor On 4 Jan 2021, at 4 Jan . 10:17, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: I'm sure that it has its uses! https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM Tony N. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 06:29:28 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:29:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> <58e9830dbadavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I seem to remember that in the wonderful new Lime Grove G dubbing theatre (1983) there was some magical system for looping very short pieces of atmos, so that if the sound man hadn't recorded any, you could grab the bit from between "Running" and "Action" B On 04/01/2021 12:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > With modern day sampling and spectral audio editing, room tone can be used to reduce the underlying atmos (such as air conditioning, etc.) throughout the scene, rather than just adding more on top of what?s there, or missing in gaps. > Whether anyone actually bothers is another matter. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?In article <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f at me.com>, >> William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: >>> I'm sure that it has its uses! >>> https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM >>> Tony N. >> I well remember shooting in a real courtroom (so pretty quiet) with it >> full of walk-ons. >> >> In a suitable break, recorded stereo atmos of them all doing pretty well >> nothing. >> >> One of the most useful tracks I ever made. ;-) >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Jan 4 06:47:51 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:47:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You finished by saying ?if anyone actually bothers ...?. That?s the real crux of the matter. When nobody reads the label on the box, or listens to find out what?s on track 2, what do you reckon the chances are that they might faff about with esoteric noise cancelling techniques? I could only imagine such processing happening after an enormous cock-up when no other option was available, I?m pretty certain that very few of my atmos tracks ever got used. I know that many of my accurately labelled wild tracks were discarded in favour of generic sound effects and that my carefully recorded stereo dialogue has been reduced to panned mono on what was then mixed into a ?stereo? film. These things happened on high-end shoots with big name dubbing mixers. However, even though I know it?s likely to be futile, I always record room tone, make proper wild tracks and split stuff onto multiple tracks if there is a good reason to do so. The one time I don?t do these things is guaranteed to be the time somebody needs it. Talking of unfamiliar terms. I caught the tail end of a movie ( possibly an animated one ) and several people were credited as being ?sanders?, but were not in the art department credits. Any idea what that job might be? After watching Pixar movie, my wife noticed a credit for ?sweat box manager? and I was quite chuffed to already know what it was due to having worked on animated films. For anybody interested, the sweat box is the equivalent of viewing the rushes, where preliminary animations are viewed before being signed off prior to being properly rendered. Alan Taylor > On 4 Jan 2021, at 12:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?With modern day sampling and spectral audio editing, room tone can be used to reduce the underlying atmos (such as air conditioning, etc.) throughout the scene, rather than just adding more on top of what?s there, or missing in gaps. > Whether anyone actually bothers is another matter. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 4 Jan 2021, at 11:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?In article <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f at me.com>, >>> William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: >>> I'm sure that it has its uses! >> >>> https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR1G3BE6bxIk64wtsZNNA0IhIsKe1aeKDMIxWe0uEbCuA_NDg2KDA25wiVM >> >>> Tony N. >> >> I well remember shooting in a real courtroom (so pretty quiet) with it >> full of walk-ons. >> >> In a suitable break, recorded stereo atmos of them all doing pretty well >> nothing. >> >> One of the most useful tracks I ever made. ;-) >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Jan 4 07:07:31 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 13:07:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> Message-ID: [Room tone] If there has been a problem with audio training in the UK it is that it was mostly mothered by the Beeb. There were many excellent sides to that but also some weaknesses, which need to be recognised in history. In language terms the various different terms for all sorts of things never got taught - Auntie seemed to think she had sole rights to terminology. For things like stereo she put far too strong an emphasis on coincidence and never mentioned the many other methods that (particularly Europeans) had derived. Nor did she ever attempt to teach the physics of stereo angles, angular distortion, stage width and other aspects of stereo and surround reproduction, mostly preferring to leave the whole subject "craft know-how" - not a very developed method. And then there was the excessive bias towards PPMs and the factually incorrect alignment levels used to discredit VUs. I have no wish to damn the company that taught me a great deal, but we also need to see how the BBC also constrained development in some areas, and ceased to foster it at all in later years. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 4 07:28:40 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 13:28:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> Message-ID: <5ff31808.1c69fb81.97dd1.81c9@mx.google.com> My father being military, always said that there were three ways of doing something: The Right way, the Wrong way and the Army way. Substitute BBC for Army! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 04 January 2021 13:07 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! [Room tone] If there has been a problem with audio training in the UK it is that it was mostly mothered by the Beeb. There were many excellent sides to that but also some weaknesses, which need to be recognised in history. In language terms the various different terms for all sorts of things never got taught - Auntie seemed to think she had sole rights to terminology. For things like stereo she put far too strong an emphasis on coincidence and never mentioned the many other methods that (particularly Europeans) had derived. Nor did she ever attempt to teach the physics of stereo angles, angular distortion, stage width and other aspects of stereo and surround reproduction, mostly preferring to leave the whole subject "craft know-how" - not a very developed method. And then there was the excessive bias towards PPMs and the factually incorrect alignment levels used to discredit VUs. I have no wish to damn the company that taught me a great deal, but we also need to see how the BBC also constrained development in some areas, and ceased to foster it at all in later years. Chris Woolf Virus-free. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 4 09:52:15 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 15:52:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! Message-ID: ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From alanaudio at me.com Mon Jan 4 10:29:39 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:29:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Warning if you use eBay Message-ID: Yesterday I was about to buy an item and the price was displayed as being ?8.99, but when I went to pay, the price had increased to ?10.79. There was no explanation why the price had increased, postage was already included in the original price. I terminated that transaction and asked the seller to explain. This was his reply ... "Because of Brexit, all e-commerce platforms including Amazon have been levied a 20% tax. This tax is collected by eBay and not for sellers. Please understand." My guess is that this is a seller based outside of the UK, even though the list of sellers was supposed to be filtered to only contain UK sellers and that particular seller also displays a union flag on their advert. I then sourced a similar item from another vendor where the advertised price was the same as the price which appears on their 'confirm payment' page.That seller had a London contact address. Brexit should not have affected items bought and sold within the UK. I don't like the way that the price of the initial item was simply adjusted without any attempt to itemise the additional charge. I couldn't find and mention on the eBay site of an across the board 20% surcharge either, but I can't claim to have looked everywhere . If you buy stuff on eBay, keep an eye on what price actually appears when you commit to purchase. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Mon Jan 4 10:49:53 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 16:49:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! Message-ID: <3sv2d2ki8gt07a7lp9i5q8h0.1609778993330@email.android.com> While doing an editing attachment I had to cut a piece about demonstrators blocking a road development. The rushes from a new freelance consisted of one shot. He hit record when he arrived, then wondered around for thirty minutes occasionally framing up a twenty second shot, then hit stop. Two minutes usable material and twenty eight minutes of feet and ground. Doug On 4 January 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug at puddifoot.me Mon Jan 4 10:55:51 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 16:55:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Warning if you use eBay Message-ID: I just ordered some items from Aliexpress and they are also now adding tax. Doug On 4 January 2021, at 16:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Yesterday I was about to buy an item and the price was displayed as being ?8.99, but when I went to pay, the price had increased to ?10.79. ?There was no explanation why the price had increased, postage was already included in the original price. ?I terminated that transaction and asked the seller to explain. ?This was his reply ... ? ? ? "Because of Brexit, all e-commerce platforms including Amazon have been levied a 20% tax. This tax is collected by eBay and not for sellers. Please understand." My guess is that this is a seller based outside of the UK, even though the list of sellers was supposed to be filtered to only contain UK sellers and that particular seller also displays a union flag on their advert. ?I then sourced a similar item from another vendor where the advertised price was the same as the price which appears on their 'confirm payment' page.That seller had a London contact address. Brexit should not have affected items bought and sold within the UK. I don't like the way that the price of the initial item was simply adjusted without any attempt to itemise the additional charge. ?I couldn't find and mention on the eBay site of an across the board ?20% surcharge either, but I can't claim to have looked everywhere . If you buy stuff on eBay, keep an eye on what price actually appears when you commit to purchase. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 4 10:49:03 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 16:49:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Warning if you use eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58e9a125c4davesound@btinternet.com> Sounds a total con to me. Report it to Ebay. In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Yesterday I was about to buy an item and the price was displayed as > being ?8.99, but when I went to pay, the price had increased to ?10.79. > There was no explanation why the price had increased, postage was > already included in the original price. I terminated that transaction > and asked the seller to explain. This was his reply ... > "Because of Brexit, all e-commerce platforms including Amazon have > been levied a 20% tax. This tax is collected by eBay and not for > sellers. Please understand." > My guess is that this is a seller based outside of the UK, even though > the list of sellers was supposed to be filtered to only contain UK > sellers and that particular seller also displays a union flag on their > advert. I then sourced a similar item from another vendor where the > advertised price was the same as the price which appears on their > 'confirm payment' page.That seller had a London contact address. Brexit > should not have affected items bought and sold within the UK. > I don't like the way that the price of the initial item was simply > adjusted without any attempt to itemise the additional charge. I > couldn't find and mention on the eBay site of an across the board 20% > surcharge either, but I can't claim to have looked everywhere . If you > buy stuff on eBay, keep an eye on what price actually appears when you > commit to purchase. > Alan Taylor -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From relong at btinternet.com Mon Jan 4 11:09:34 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:09:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <5ff31808.1c69fb81.97dd1.81c9@mx.google.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> <5ff31808.1c69fb81.97dd1.81c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <908E7986-E9D7-429F-B7F0-B49A1CFA4F25@btinternet.com> It taught Blumlein Mid Side coincidence Chris, very sensible for mono compatibility, not many did at that time or even now with any understanding. The PPM was very pragmatic, and essential in analog days and high power transmitters. Peak reading modulometers like the Nagra were indispensable for location work , unlike feeble unreadable VU type displays on many early Sony recorders. BBC Engineering training was excellent , imho, it did have blind spots in the Tonnemeister department but compared to the US broadcast industry it was very comprehensive. Hollywood was a law unto itself, much like the beeb, a pool of knowledge has now emerged via the web, vive la difference?. Roger > On 4 Jan 2021, at 13:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > My father being military, always said that there were three ways of doing something: The Right way, the Wrong way and the Army way. > Substitute BBC for Army! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 > Sent: 04 January 2021 13:07 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! > > [Room tone] > > If there has been a problem with audio training in the UK it is that it was mostly mothered by the Beeb. There were many excellent sides to that but also some weaknesses, which need to be recognised in history. > > In language terms the various different terms for all sorts of things never got taught - Auntie seemed to think she had sole rights to terminology. For things like stereo she put far too strong an emphasis on coincidence and never mentioned the many other methods that (particularly Europeans) had derived. Nor did she ever attempt to teach the physics of stereo angles, angular distortion, stage width and other aspects of stereo and surround reproduction, mostly preferring to leave the whole subject "craft know-how" - not a very developed method. And then there was the excessive bias towards PPMs and the factually incorrect alignment levels used to discredit VUs. > > I have no wish to damn the company that taught me a great deal, but we also need to see how the BBC also constrained development in some areas, and ceased to foster it at all in later years. > > Chris Woolf > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Because of Brexit, all e-commerce platforms including Amazon have been levied a 20% tax. This tax is collected by eBay and not for sellers. Please understand." My guess is that this is a seller based outside of the UK, even though the list of sellers was supposed to be filtered to only contain UK sellers and that particular seller also displays a union flag on their advert. ?I then sourced a similar item from another vendor where the advertised price was the same as the price which appears on their 'confirm payment' page.That seller had a London contact address. Brexit should not have affected items bought and sold within the UK. I don't like the way that the price of the initial item was simply adjusted without any attempt to itemise the additional charge. ?I couldn't find and mention on the eBay site of an across the board ?20% surcharge either, but I can't claim to have looked everywhere . If you buy stuff on eBay, keep an eye on what price actually appears when you commit to purchase. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 11:14:38 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:14:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Atmosphere" - Television Centre studios in the 1960s -> had a Ferrograph under the sound desk with a tape of "studio noise". This cut in automatically if the (A)FM pressed the prompt cut on live drama. Best regards, keep safe, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Mon, 4 Jan 2021, 15:52 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: > ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. > ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in > my experience. > ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, > because it actually says what it is. > Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for > the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman > would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have > to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten > or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. > > A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a > 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound > recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea > of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length > of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Jan 4 11:16:22 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:16:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <3sv2d2ki8gt07a7lp9i5q8h0.1609778993330@email.android.com> References: <3sv2d2ki8gt07a7lp9i5q8h0.1609778993330@email.android.com> Message-ID: <51B877A9-F556-424B-8E23-2F2B735FBAE5@me.com> I was working with one American director for the first time. We were shooting a three minute insert for an American TV show. As we were removing our gear from the car he asked me to bring a tape box. Accordingly I took a Betacam cassette out of the box, but he pointed out that he meant an entire box of ten cassettes. I asked him what sort of shooting ratio he was planning and he said that he sends the recorded tapes over to L.A. to be edited and the only feedback he ever got was if there was something which was not recorded. Therefore he always shoots masses of material and was always happy to record a big chunk of room tone at every location too. He was also the one who introduced me to the term shooting some ?B Roll? - the establishing shots or supplementary sequences which are intercut into an interview. Alan Taylor > On 4 Jan 2021, at 16:50, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > ?While doing an editing attachment I had to cut a piece about demonstrators blocking a road development. The rushes from a new freelance consisted of one shot. He hit record when he arrived, then wondered around for thirty minutes occasionally framing up a twenty second shot, then hit stop. Two minutes usable material and twenty eight minutes of feet and ground. > > Doug > > On 4 January 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. > ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. > ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. > Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. > > A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Jan 4 11:28:28 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:28:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <908E7986-E9D7-429F-B7F0-B49A1CFA4F25@btinternet.com> References: <12398049-1f88-4172-a045-8f054694882f@me.com> <5ff31808.1c69fb81.97dd1.81c9@mx.google.com> <908E7986-E9D7-429F-B7F0-B49A1CFA4F25@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <37b1121e-36d6-cf54-9025-04f3cb700309@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 04/01/2021 17:09, Roger E Long wrote: > It taught Blumlein Mid Side coincidence Chris, very sensible for mono > compatibility, not many did at that time or even now with any > understanding. Interestingly the BBC's love of MS really came from the early days of FM stereo broadcasting, when the benefits of that technique were essential. Coincident microphone techniques have their place, but have lost favour for both stereo and surround because they tend not to satisfy listeners. > The PPM was very pragmatic, and essential in analog days and high > power transmitters. > Peak reading modulometers like the Nagra were indispensable for > location work , unlike feeble unreadable VU type displays on many > ?early Sony recorders. The PPM was certainly very useful for analogue transmitters, but the "feeble" VU was because it was set up to fail by the BBC's use of (purposely) incorrect calibration. The fact that the music industry and most films successfully used the (correctly calibrated) VU for many decades suggests it wasn't anything like as useless as claimed. > BBC Engineering training was excellent , imho, it did have blind spots > in the Tonnemeister department but compared to the US broadcast > industry it was very comprehensive. It was very good - no argument - but had its blind spots and bias like most monolithic organisations. Whether it would have expanded upon these if it had been allowed to carry on through the Thatcher and Birt years is something for us all to muse upon. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From Waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 4 12:01:46 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:01:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I remember it well! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Jan 2021, at 17:14, Alec Bray wrote: ? "Atmosphere" - Television Centre studios in the 1960s -> had a Ferrograph under the sound desk with a tape of "studio noise". This cut in automatically if the (A)FM pressed the prompt cut on live drama. Best regards, keep safe, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Mon, 4 Jan 2021, 15:52 Nick Ware via Tech1, > wrote: ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 13:17:26 2021 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:17:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Warning if you use eBay In-Reply-To: <58e9a125c4davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e9a125c4davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <01A8DD43-0A22-490C-889E-60D5936CEB31@icloud.com> I think it might be related to this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721 Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 4 Jan 2021, at 17:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Sounds a total con to me. Report it to Ebay. > > > In article , Alan Taylor via > Tech1 wrote: >> Yesterday I was about to buy an item and the price was displayed as >> being ?8.99, but when I went to pay, the price had increased to ?10.79. >> There was no explanation why the price had increased, postage was >> already included in the original price. I terminated that transaction >> and asked the seller to explain. This was his reply ... > >> "Because of Brexit, all e-commerce platforms including Amazon have >> been levied a 20% tax. This tax is collected by eBay and not for >> sellers. Please understand." > >> My guess is that this is a seller based outside of the UK, even though >> the list of sellers was supposed to be filtered to only contain UK >> sellers and that particular seller also displays a union flag on their >> advert. I then sourced a similar item from another vendor where the >> advertised price was the same as the price which appears on their >> 'confirm payment' page.That seller had a London contact address. Brexit >> should not have affected items bought and sold within the UK. > >> I don't like the way that the price of the initial item was simply >> adjusted without any attempt to itemise the additional charge. I >> couldn't find and mention on the eBay site of an across the board 20% >> surcharge either, but I can't claim to have looked everywhere . If you >> buy stuff on eBay, keep an eye on what price actually appears when you >> commit to purchase. > >> Alan Taylor > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 13:35:44 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:35:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <3sv2d2ki8gt07a7lp9i5q8h0.1609778993330@email.android.com> References: <3sv2d2ki8gt07a7lp9i5q8h0.1609778993330@email.android.com> Message-ID: My head of cameras at TVS did that once on a story! around 20 minutes of the inside of the flight case! ? Graeme Wall > On 4 Jan 2021, at 16:49, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > While doing an editing attachment I had to cut a piece about demonstrators blocking a road development. The rushes from a new freelance consisted of one shot. He hit record when he arrived, then wondered around for thirty minutes occasionally framing up a twenty second shot, then hit stop. Two minutes usable material and twenty eight minutes of feet and ground. > > Doug > > On 4 January 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. > ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. > ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. > Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. > > A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Mon Jan 4 14:07:58 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:07:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <606CE88D-D45F-427B-9D04-3F1196E4FEC5@me.com> In the days when the Red Arrows routes and timings were published on a web site, I noticed that they were due to fly pretty well over our house at a particular time while travelling between displays. I got out my DSLR and my wife brought her iPhone to video it. We got ready a few minutes ahead of schedule and when we heard the distinctive sound of them approaching, we each shot whatever we could. I tried to get a few shots of the nine ship formation , but they were flying too low and were largely obscured by our neighbour?s garage. My wife recorded a couple of minutes of waving the iPhone camera around, then you could hear me saying they were approaching. It then abruptly cut to empty sky and the sound of aircraft receding, culminating a few minutes later by me asking why her iPhone was still recording. Obviously she got out of sync with toggling the record button after doing a little practice while setting up and recorded everything except the bit we actually wanted. We still do get the Red Arrows flying over in formation occasionally but no longer have any advance warning. We seem to live under some sort of military air route and quite often see unusual aircraft. Once in a while we get a seriously low Hercules flying just above roof height, presumably using the village church tower or castle as a navigation marker. I?ve never managed to grab a picture yet as it?s all over so quickly, but I hope to one day. Alan Taylor > On 4 Jan 2021, at 19:36, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My head of cameras at TVS did that once on a story! around 20 minutes of the inside of the flight case! > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 4 Jan 2021, at 16:49, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >> >> While doing an editing attachment I had to cut a piece about demonstrators blocking a road development. The rushes from a new freelance consisted of one shot. He hit record when he arrived, then wondered around for thirty minutes occasionally framing up a twenty second shot, then hit stop. Two minutes usable material and twenty eight minutes of feet and ground. >> >> Doug >> >> On 4 January 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. >> ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. >> ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. >> Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. >> >> A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.neill at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 14:15:45 2021 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:15:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <606CE88D-D45F-427B-9D04-3F1196E4FEC5@me.com> References: <606CE88D-D45F-427B-9D04-3F1196E4FEC5@me.com> Message-ID: <687D36E2-441E-4392-907F-7C9425B72C6F@icloud.com> I remember a BBC managing exactly the same trick with the Red Arrows for BBC London News. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 4 Jan 2021, at 20:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In the days when the Red Arrows routes and timings were published on a web site, I noticed that they were due to fly pretty well over our house at a particular time while travelling between displays. I got out my DSLR and my wife brought her iPhone to video it. > > We got ready a few minutes ahead of schedule and when we heard the distinctive sound of them approaching, we each shot whatever we could. I tried to get a few shots of the nine ship formation , but they were flying too low and were largely obscured by our neighbour?s garage. My wife recorded a couple of minutes of waving the iPhone camera around, then you could hear me saying they were approaching. It then abruptly cut to empty sky and the sound of aircraft receding, culminating a few minutes later by me asking why her iPhone was still recording. Obviously she got out of sync with toggling the record button after doing a little practice while setting up and recorded everything except the bit we actually wanted. > > We still do get the Red Arrows flying over in formation occasionally but no longer have any advance warning. We seem to live under some sort of military air route and quite often see unusual aircraft. Once in a while we get a seriously low Hercules flying just above roof height, presumably using the village church tower or castle as a navigation marker. I?ve never managed to grab a picture yet as it?s all over so quickly, but I hope to one day. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 4 Jan 2021, at 19:36, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My head of cameras at TVS did that once on a story! around 20 minutes of the inside of the flight case! >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 4 Jan 2021, at 16:49, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> While doing an editing attachment I had to cut a piece about demonstrators blocking a road development. The rushes from a new freelance consisted of one shot. He hit record when he arrived, then wondered around for thirty minutes occasionally framing up a twenty second shot, then hit stop. Two minutes usable material and twenty eight minutes of feet and ground. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>>> On 4 January 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. >>> ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. >>> ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. >>> Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. >>> >>> A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.neill at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 14:18:30 2021 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:18:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Resend with missing word! Message-ID: > > ?I remember a BBC cameraman > managing exactly the same trick with the Red Arrows for BBC London News. > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > >> On 4 Jan 2021, at 20:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?In the days when the Red Arrows routes and timings were published on a web site, I noticed that they were due to fly pretty well over our house at a particular time while travelling between displays. I got out my DSLR and my wife brought her iPhone to video it. >> >> We got ready a few minutes ahead of schedule and when we heard the distinctive sound of them approaching, we each shot whatever we could. I tried to get a few shots of the nine ship formation , but they were flying too low and were largely obscured by our neighbour?s garage. My wife recorded a couple of minutes of waving the iPhone camera around, then you could hear me saying they were approaching. It then abruptly cut to empty sky and the sound of aircraft receding, culminating a few minutes later by me asking why her iPhone was still recording. Obviously she got out of sync with toggling the record button after doing a little practice while setting up and recorded everything except the bit we actually wanted. >> >> We still do get the Red Arrows flying over in formation occasionally but no longer have any advance warning. We seem to live under some sort of military air route and quite often see unusual aircraft. Once in a while we get a seriously low Hercules flying just above roof height, presumably using the village church tower or castle as a navigation marker. I?ve never managed to grab a picture yet as it?s all over so quickly, but I hope to one day. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>>> On 4 Jan 2021, at 19:36, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?My head of cameras at TVS did that once on a story! around 20 minutes of the inside of the flight case! >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 4 Jan 2021, at 16:49, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> While doing an editing attachment I had to cut a piece about demonstrators blocking a road development. The rushes from a new freelance consisted of one shot. He hit record when he arrived, then wondered around for thirty minutes occasionally framing up a twenty second shot, then hit stop. Two minutes usable material and twenty eight minutes of feet and ground. >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>>> On 4 January 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. >>>> ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. >>>> ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. >>>> Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. >>>> >>>> A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick. >>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 14:23:38 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:23:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71818613-39DB-43F1-ADA2-85F48AF3E142@icloud.com> On the current topic of ?room tone? here?s an amusing video of what people get up to whilst it?s happening!! You?re welcome! https://www.theblackandblue.com/2021/01/01/gift-room-tone-criterion/?fbclid=IwAR0NH-v6Khfq9bKwOcR8DXRetwds5jiZK4U55yCQf16Dlarf8WmDN_xFm1E Graham Maunder 07831 515678 Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Jan 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ??Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. > ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. > ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. > Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. > > A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Jan 4 14:47:00 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 20:47:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <606CE88D-D45F-427B-9D04-3F1196E4FEC5@me.com> Message-ID: We regularly get Hercules and those VTOL planes where the engines rotate on the wings flying over us, frightening the geese! Also when there are flypasts in London, they usually form up over Southwold, giving us a preview before anyone else. In the day, we've had Concorde and various WW2 planes performing for us.John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 04/01/2021 20:08 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In the days when the Red Arrows routes and timings were published on a web site, I noticed that they were due to fly pretty well over our house at a particular time while travelling between displays.? I got out my DSLR and my wife brought her iPhone to video it.We got ready a few minutes ahead of schedule and when we heard the distinctive sound of them approaching, we each shot whatever we could.? I tried to get a few shots of the nine ship formation , but they were flying too low and were largely obscured by our neighbour?s garage. My wife recorded a couple of minutes of waving the iPhone camera around, then you could hear me saying they were approaching.? It then abruptly cut to empty sky and the sound of aircraft receding, culminating a few minutes later by me asking why her iPhone was still recording.? Obviously she got out of sync with toggling the record button after doing a little practice while setting up and recorded everything except the bit we actually wanted.We still do get the Red Arrows flying over in formation occasionally but no longer have any advance warning. We seem to live under some sort of military air route and quite often see unusual aircraft.? Once in a while we get a seriously low Hercules flying just above roof height, presumably using the village church tower or castle as a navigation marker.? I?ve never managed to grab a picture yet as it?s all over so quickly, but I hope to one day.Alan Taylor> On 4 Jan 2021, at 19:36, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:> > ?My head of cameras at TVS did that once on a story! around 20 minutes of the inside of the flight case!> ? > Graeme Wall> > >> On 4 Jan 2021, at 16:49, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:>> >> While doing an editing attachment I had to cut a piece about demonstrators blocking a road development. The rushes from a new freelance consisted of one shot. He hit record when he arrived, then wondered around for thirty minutes occasionally framing up a twenty second shot, then hit stop. Two minutes usable material and twenty eight minutes of feet and ground.>> >> Doug>> >> On 4 January 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:>> >> ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. >> ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. >> ?Atmos Track?,? I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is.>> Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take.>> >> A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos.>> Cheers,>> Nick.>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5>> -- >> Tech1 mailing list>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>> -- >> Tech1 mailing list>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 4 16:28:21 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 22:28:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <606CE88D-D45F-427B-9D04-3F1196E4FEC5@me.com> References: , <606CE88D-D45F-427B-9D04-3F1196E4FEC5@me.com> Message-ID: As the old showbiz saying goes: ?Timing is everything!? Cheers, Nick. [cid:091BDB8E-AAF2-4AF6-AADF-026E2B089814] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Jan 2021, at 20:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ?In the days when the Red Arrows routes and timings were published on a web site, I noticed that they were due to fly pretty well over our house at a particular time while travelling between displays. I got out my DSLR and my wife brought her iPhone to video it. We got ready a few minutes ahead of schedule and when we heard the distinctive sound of them approaching, we each shot whatever we could. I tried to get a few shots of the nine ship formation , but they were flying too low and were largely obscured by our neighbour?s garage. My wife recorded a couple of minutes of waving the iPhone camera around, then you could hear me saying they were approaching. It then abruptly cut to empty sky and the sound of aircraft receding, culminating a few minutes later by me asking why her iPhone was still recording. Obviously she got out of sync with toggling the record button after doing a little practice while setting up and recorded everything except the bit we actually wanted. We still do get the Red Arrows flying over in formation occasionally but no longer have any advance warning. We seem to live under some sort of military air route and quite often see unusual aircraft. Once in a while we get a seriously low Hercules flying just above roof height, presumably using the village church tower or castle as a navigation marker. I?ve never managed to grab a picture yet as it?s all over so quickly, but I hope to one day. Alan Taylor On 4 Jan 2021, at 19:36, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?My head of cameras at TVS did that once on a story! around 20 minutes of the inside of the flight case! ? Graeme Wall On 4 Jan 2021, at 16:49, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: While doing an editing attachment I had to cut a piece about demonstrators blocking a road development. The rushes from a new freelance consisted of one shot. He hit record when he arrived, then wondered around for thirty minutes occasionally framing up a twenty second shot, then hit stop. Two minutes usable material and twenty eight minutes of feet and ground. Doug On 4 January 2021, at 15:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ?Room Tone? is very much an Americanism as far as I?m aware. ?Buzz Track?, I think might be more of a film industry thing, certainly in my experience. ?Atmos Track?, I like to think might be a BBC-ism, and is my preference, because it actually says what it is. Most of the work I do now, or would hopefully be doing sans-Covid, is for the Americans, so we ident it Room Tone for them. I think ?my? cameraman would agree that whenever we do a ?Room tone? verbal ident, we usually have to explain to the ?talent? what room tone is. That takes up the first ten or fifteen seconds of the Room Tone take. A long time ago, my friend and mentor, Harold Dines, gave me a copy of a 5? Nagra tape that had come in for 16mm transfer. I won?t name the sound recordist, but he had been sent out to get just one atmos track. His idea of a joke was a verbal ident that waffled on for almost the entire length of the tape, followed by 30 seconds of atmos. Cheers, Nick. 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I would have spotted it myself, as I regularly check the accounts, but the bank picked it up first! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 04 January 2021 16:29 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Warning if you use eBay Yesterday I was about to buy an item and the price was displayed as being ?8.99, but when I went to pay, the price had increased to ?10.79. ?There was no explanation why the price had increased, postage was already included in the original price. ?I terminated that transaction and asked the seller to explain. ? Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 5 05:10:49 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 11:10:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red Arrows (was) New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: References: , <606CE88D-D45F-427B-9D04-3F1196E4FEC5@me.com> Message-ID: <5ff44938.1c69fb81.23938.9d28@mx.google.com> Great photo, Nick If anyone missed the 4-part programmes ?Red Arrows take America? and would like a DVD, I have it saved. Contact me with your postal address, if so. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 04 January 2021 22:28 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] A New to Me Audio Term! As the old showbiz saying goes: ?Timing is everything!? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Jan 2021, at 20:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ?In the days when the Red Arrows routes and timings were published on a web site, I noticed that they were due to fly pretty well over our house at a particular time while travelling between displays. ?I got out my DSLR and my wife brought her iPhone to video it. 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Jan 5 05:57:08 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 11:57:08 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fraud (was Warning if you use eBay) In-Reply-To: <5ff44757.1c69fb81.4156.a46d@mx.google.com> References: <5ff44757.1c69fb81.4156.a46d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <39EADAA7C75A4D3D882633AC39F4C1A1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi Pat, Interesting that your bank?s first communication with you was via text. I recently experienced fraudulent activity on my Mastercard but when the bank?s fraud squad got on it they telephoned. We were out and a message was left asking me to ring back, leaving a code for me to quote when doing so. While I was making notes and mulling over the question of whether it was genuine, the phone rang again and a real person gave details of the suspect transactions. I was thus able to check my account on line and verify that the details were as advised. Two transactions had gone through amounting to close on ?3000 and two further substantial sums had been declined. The two which had gone through were Harrods and Paypal. It must be close to 50 years since I last purchased anything at Harrods but my Paypal account is used regularly. The next phase involved me contacting my card provider using a security-conscious procedure they employ for the purpose. After 36 1/2 minutes of alternating mind-numbing jingles and assurances that I would be spoken to as soon as...., a new message came up advising I should now hang up and they would ring back. They didn?t. Some hours later I initiated the same process with exactly the same result ? 36 1/2 minutes, message as before, no return call. I tried to find an alternative approach. Eureka ? the website advised the existence of a dedicated priority phone number for the over 70s. Hope soon dashed when it became apparent that whatever that number might be it didn?t feature on the website. What did feature was the period each day when the phone lines were operational ? 9 am onwards. I resolved to start early the following day at 8.55 to get through the automated bit by 9 am. Process as before with me waiting for the 36 1/2 minutes to tick by. I nearly fell off the chair when after 20 minutes or so a human being came on the line. I resisted the temptation to ?have a go? as I figured it would clearly not be the individual?s fault and not in my interests to get his back up. In the event the guy was brilliant, both helpful and highly competent. He made it clear at the outset that, given my assurances were genuine that it wasn?t me, I would not be the loser. He explained in great detail their processes for following through on these cases and thought it likely that my details had been obtained by the perpetrator hacking in to an internet trader somewhere whose database included my records. He then set the process in train which resulted in a new card and the amounts being credited within a few days. I did close the conversation with a request for him to convey to management my disquiet with the obstacle course of establishing contact. It transpired that the fraud department is in fact operational 24/7, not 9 am onwards but not mentioned on the website. So a mixed bag, exemplary treatment once I got there but seriously hard work getting to that point. Final anomaly was the new card arrived with, as usual, a pre-printed sticker attached to the face of the card with the phone number for activation. However, the accompanying letter advised that I could use the new card immediately without activation. You?ve guessed ? it didn?t work until I activated it. Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 11:02 AM To: Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fraud (was Warning if you use eBay) I received a text purporting to be from my bank, warning of fraudulent activity and asking me to call a number and quote a reference code. I didn?t, I called customer services, and through them spoke to the bank?s fraud dept. They confirmed the veracity of the text, as the ref code had originated from their dept. By this time I had opened up internet banking and could see that there was an unusual debit on my Mastercard, in favour of Amazon. Unusual because I never use Mastercard for Amazon purchases ? always Amex. The bank cancelled my card, and sent me a fresh one in three days. They also leant on Amazon and obtained a credit refund. I would have spotted it myself, as I regularly check the accounts, but the bank picked it up first! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 04 January 2021 16:29 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Warning if you use eBay Yesterday I was about to buy an item and the price was displayed as being ?8.99, but when I went to pay, the price had increased to ?10.79. There was no explanation why the price had increased, postage was already included in the original price. I terminated that transaction and asked the seller to explain. Alan Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <5ff44938.1c69fb81.23938.9d28@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <444759A0899F48E0913663C1F9294476@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> You say ? nothing clever?. Doesn?t stop it being a hell of a good shot though! Well done. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 12:03 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Red Arrows (was) New to Me Audio Term! Red Arrows display over Mahon Harbour 26-09-2012. Here?s another. Nothing clever about the pix - we couldn?t have had a better setting and viewpoint for it! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 322425 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Jan 5 06:13:57 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 12:13:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red Arrows (was) New to Me Audio Term! In-Reply-To: <444759A0899F48E0913663C1F9294476@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <5ff44938.1c69fb81.23938.9d28@mx.google.com> <444759A0899F48E0913663C1F9294476@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <17F47492-D2CF-435E-AF6F-38F75549FBB4@icloud.com> Agreed, half the the cleverness is recognising a good position and using it! ? Graeme Wall > On 5 Jan 2021, at 12:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > You say ? nothing clever?. Doesn?t stop it being a hell of a good shot though! Well done. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 12:03 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Red Arrows (was) New to Me Audio Term! > > Red Arrows display over Mahon Harbour 26-09-2012. Here?s another. Nothing clever about the pix - we couldn?t have had a better setting and viewpoint for it! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Jan 5 07:57:00 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 13:57:00 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Fraud (was Warning if you use eBay) Message-ID: Unsure whether this went through so re-sending. Apologies if it?s duplicating. Dave Newbitt From: David Newbitt Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 11:57 AM To: patheigham ; Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fraud (was Warning if you use eBay) Hi Pat, Interesting that your bank?s first communication with you was via text. I recently experienced fraudulent activity on my Mastercard but when the bank?s fraud squad got on it they telephoned. We were out and a message was left asking me to ring back, leaving a code for me to quote when doing so. While I was making notes and mulling over the question of whether it was genuine, the phone rang again and a real person gave details of the suspect transactions. I was thus able to check my account on line and verify that the details were as advised. Two transactions had gone through amounting to close on ?3000 and two further substantial sums had been declined. The two which had gone through were Harrods and Paypal. It must be close to 50 years since I last purchased anything at Harrods but my Paypal account is used regularly. The next phase involved me contacting my card provider using a security-conscious procedure they employ for the purpose. After 36 1/2 minutes of alternating mind-numbing jingles and assurances that I would be spoken to as soon as...., a new message came up advising I should now hang up and they would ring back. They didn?t. Some hours later I initiated the same process with exactly the same result ? 36 1/2 minutes, message as before, no return call. I tried to find an alternative approach. Eureka ? the website advised the existence of a dedicated priority phone number for the over 70s. Hope soon dashed when it became apparent that whatever that number might be it didn?t feature on the website. What did feature was the period each day when the phone lines were operational ? 9 am onwards. I resolved to start early the following day at 8.55 to get through the automated bit by 9 am. Process as before with me waiting for the 36 1/2 minutes to tick by. I nearly fell off the chair when after 20 minutes or so a human being came on the line. I resisted the temptation to ?have a go? as I figured it would clearly not be the individual?s fault and not in my interests to get his back up. In the event the guy was brilliant, both helpful and highly competent. He made it clear at the outset that, given my assurances were genuine that it wasn?t me, I would not be the loser. He explained in great detail their processes for following through on these cases and thought it likely that my details had been obtained by the perpetrator hacking in to an internet trader somewhere whose database included my records. He then set the process in train which resulted in a new card and the amounts being credited within a few days. I did close the conversation with a request for him to convey to management my disquiet with the obstacle course of establishing contact. It transpired that the fraud department is in fact operational 24/7, not 9 am onwards but not mentioned on the website. So a mixed bag, exemplary treatment once I got there but seriously hard work getting to that point. Final anomaly was the new card arrived with, as usual, a pre-printed sticker attached to the face of the card with the phone number for activation. However, the accompanying letter advised that I could use the new card immediately without activation. You?ve guessed ? it didn?t work until I activated it. Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 11:02 AM To: Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fraud (was Warning if you use eBay) I received a text purporting to be from my bank, warning of fraudulent activity and asking me to call a number and quote a reference code. I didn?t, I called customer services, and through them spoke to the bank?s fraud dept. They confirmed the veracity of the text, as the ref code had originated from their dept. By this time I had opened up internet banking and could see that there was an unusual debit on my Mastercard, in favour of Amazon. Unusual because I never use Mastercard for Amazon purchases ? always Amex. The bank cancelled my card, and sent me a fresh one in three days. They also leant on Amazon and obtained a credit refund. I would have spotted it myself, as I regularly check the accounts, but the bank picked it up first! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 04 January 2021 16:29 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Warning if you use eBay Yesterday I was about to buy an item and the price was displayed as being ?8.99, but when I went to pay, the price had increased to ?10.79. There was no explanation why the price had increased, postage was already included in the original price. I terminated that transaction and asked the seller to explain. 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There reason I ask is because I had (on behalf of my wife) a protracted and exceptionally disquieting saga involving potential identity theft with a certain international bank. The first phone call to alert them to the possibility of a problem was at 9 p.m. in the evening as we had only just opened the mail which contained the fraudulent information. Whilst the call was answered fairly promptly, it took over a quarter of an hour to make the operator realise that we were trying to report fraudulent activity and not open new accounts or anything else (I suspect it was probably a call centre in India) and he then stunned us by saying, 'That department has gone home for today.' So had it been a scam, we could have been at a serious disadvantage and out of pocket. Without boring the rest of this forum, the situation deteriorated over the next six months or more. Security - don't make me laugh, I don't think ANY financial institution has kept pace with the cyber criminals. 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Thanks to Bernie?s website, here is an example of a TODS from 66 years ago!Yes, I was on crew 7. Often we had to mimic ? as-live ? the work of a rostrum camera.There were captions ? as I recall, never more that A3 landscape in size, and quite often smaller ? and we had to track into and out from these captions, maintaining focus, with a turret EMI 203 on a Vinten HP ped.Because of the ped bases and cation stands, we often could not use the widest angle lens, and it was quite exacting work ? pushing and pulling the ped a matter of inches at a time, keeping the camera steady, to change the size of the picture on air. We would rehearse, break for line up, then with some five minutes to go, back to the studio floor, unlock the camera, run the VT clock ? and often groan internally as the title music came over the cans. After my time at the BBC, in 1968, I went into teacher training in Liverpool, and the college I went to sent us out on Teaching Practice within the first six weeks or so ? to see if we really, really wanted to go into teaching.On this, my first teaching practice, I had to go to a Junior School in Kirby (the real-life location for the fictional of ?Z-Cars?:families and neighbourhoods moved from the old dock area slums of Liverpool). Been there a couple of days when the teacher said: ?Today we are going to watch a science program on the Telly?? and there was quite a buzz from the children.In those days, you had to watch the telly programme when it was transmitted. So into the school hall we all trooped, the children sat down, the class teacher switched on the telly.The title music started ? one in the series of programmes I had worked on!That title music made me groan internally ? but there were the children, bouncing around on their seats, big happy smiles, jigging along with the music, fully engaged.Title music ? very evocative. So interesting that the same ?input? could have such different reactions with the different audiences ? ?I wanna tell you a story ?? When I decided to leave the BBC and go into teaching (happened one day when I was sitting on a rostrum on ?Softly Softly?), one of the places I applied to go to was C. F. Mott College of Education in Liverpool.I got invited to go for an interview, which was to take place one afternoon.I went up to Liverpool the day before, as I thought that I could visit Liverpool in the morning.I had my camera with me, as I was always taking photographs - at least I would have some pictures of this famous city, if nothing else. In the morning I went down to see Pier Head, the Liver Building ? The city, although run down, felt vibrant, felt alive ? ? and I did not take a single picture.I really can?t explain what happened.An absolute certainty flooded through me ? ?I am not going to take any photographs, because I am going to be here!?. In the afternoon, I went for the interview, got accepted- and eventually got enrolled in Liverpool Uni for a degree. -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is core education, and more reliable than wifi . Roger > On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > BBC News? > > > For those of us in the 1960s (and onwards) who were London Studios based and who worked on ?general purpose? crews, there was usually at least one sort of programme a week that we disliked working on. None of the excitement of working on a live drama like ?Softly Softly?, none of the unpredictability of working on TW3 or ?Not Only? But Also? or ?Tonight?, none of the fun of, and occasionally tricky(!), working on ?Play School?. We dreaded programmes such as a party political broadcast (PPB) ? retake again, ?? it does not sound sincere enough ?? And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the schools programmes. > > > > > Thanks to Bernie?s website, here is an example of a TODS from 66 years ago! Yes, I was on crew 7. > > > > > > > > Often we had to mimic ? as-live ? the work of a rostrum camera. There were captions ? as I recall, never more that A3 landscape in size, and quite often smaller ? and we had to track into and out from these captions, maintaining focus, with a turret EMI 203 on a Vinten HP ped. Because of the ped bases and cation stands, we often could not use the widest angle lens, and it was quite exacting work ? pushing and pulling the ped a matter of inches at a time, keeping the camera steady, to change the size of the picture on air. > > We would rehearse, break for line up, then with some five minutes to go, back to the studio floor, unlock the camera, run the VT clock ? and often groan internally as the title music came over the cans. > > > After my time at the BBC, in 1968, I went into teacher training in Liverpool, and the college I went to sent us out on Teaching Practice within the first six weeks or so ? to see if we really, really wanted to go into teaching. On this, my first teaching practice, I had to go to a Junior School in Kirby (the real-life location for the fictional of ?Z-Cars?: families and neighbourhoods moved from the old dock area slums of Liverpool). > > Been there a couple of days when the teacher said: ?Today we are going to watch a science program on the Telly?? and there was quite a buzz from the children. In those days, you had to watch the telly programme when it was transmitted. So into the school hall we all trooped, the children sat down, the class teacher switched on the telly. The title music started ? one in the series of programmes I had worked on! That title music made me groan internally ? but there were the children, bouncing around on their seats, big happy smiles, jigging along with the music, fully engaged. Title music ? very evocative. > > So interesting that the same ?input? could have such different reactions with the different audiences ? > > > > ?I wanna tell you a story ?? > > When I decided to leave the BBC and go into teaching (happened one day when I was sitting on a rostrum on ?Softly Softly?), one of the places I applied to go to was C. F. Mott College of Education in Liverpool. I got invited to go for an interview, which was to take place one afternoon. I went up to Liverpool the day before, as I thought that I could visit Liverpool in the morning. I had my camera with me, as I was always taking photographs - at least I would have some pictures of this famous city, if nothing else. > > In the morning I went down to see Pier Head, the Liver Building ? The city, although run down, felt vibrant, felt alive ? > ? and I did not take a single picture. I really can?t explain what happened. An absolute certainty flooded through me ? ?I am not going to take any photographs, because I am going to be here!?. > > In the afternoon, I went for the interview, got accepted - and eventually got enrolled in Liverpool Uni for a degree. > > > > > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Wed Jan 6 04:48:35 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:48:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Jan 6 06:50:39 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:50:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: It's always amused me that the poor relations of broadcast TV (schools and OU) are now essential viewing on the Beeb. In particular, I smile at the OU getting a credit for the hugely popular D. Attenburgh programmes, a long way from the near contempt in which OU programmes were once held. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:39, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I surprised its taken the BBC so long to bring schools tv back during the Pandemic > Every home has a TV and BBC 4 is fallow during the day. > It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is core education, and more reliable than wifi . > > Roger > >> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> BBC News? >> >> >> For those of us in the 1960s (and onwards) who were London Studios based and who worked on ?general purpose? crews, there was usually at least one sort of programme a week that we disliked working on. None of the excitement of working on a live drama like ?Softly Softly?, none of the unpredictability of working on TW3 or ?Not Only? But Also? or ?Tonight?, none of the fun of, and occasionally tricky(!), working on ?Play School?. We dreaded programmes such as a party political broadcast (PPB) ? retake again, ?? it does not sound sincere enough ?? And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the schools programmes. >> >> >> >> >> Thanks to Bernie?s website, here is an example of a TODS from 66 years ago! Yes, I was on crew 7. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Often we had to mimic ? as-live ? the work of a rostrum camera. There were captions ? as I recall, never more that A3 landscape in size, and quite often smaller ? and we had to track into and out from these captions, maintaining focus, with a turret EMI 203 on a Vinten HP ped. Because of the ped bases and cation stands, we often could not use the widest angle lens, and it was quite exacting work ? pushing and pulling the ped a matter of inches at a time, keeping the camera steady, to change the size of the picture on air. >> >> We would rehearse, break for line up, then with some five minutes to go, back to the studio floor, unlock the camera, run the VT clock ? and often groan internally as the title music came over the cans. >> >> >> After my time at the BBC, in 1968, I went into teacher training in Liverpool, and the college I went to sent us out on Teaching Practice within the first six weeks or so ? to see if we really, really wanted to go into teaching. On this, my first teaching practice, I had to go to a Junior School in Kirby (the real-life location for the fictional of ?Z-Cars?: families and neighbourhoods moved from the old dock area slums of Liverpool). >> >> Been there a couple of days when the teacher said: ?Today we are going to watch a science program on the Telly?? and there was quite a buzz from the children. In those days, you had to watch the telly programme when it was transmitted. So into the school hall we all trooped, the children sat down, the class teacher switched on the telly. The title music started ? one in the series of programmes I had worked on! That title music made me groan internally ? but there were the children, bouncing around on their seats, big happy smiles, jigging along with the music, fully engaged. Title music ? very evocative. >> >> So interesting that the same ?input? could have such different reactions with the different audiences ? >> >> >> >> ?I wanna tell you a story ?? >> >> When I decided to leave the BBC and go into teaching (happened one day when I was sitting on a rostrum on ?Softly Softly?), one of the places I applied to go to was C. F. Mott College of Education in Liverpool. I got invited to go for an interview, which was to take place one afternoon. I went up to Liverpool the day before, as I thought that I could visit Liverpool in the morning. I had my camera with me, as I was always taking photographs - at least I would have some pictures of this famous city, if nothing else. >> >> In the morning I went down to see Pier Head, the Liver Building ? The city, although run down, felt vibrant, felt alive ? >> ? and I did not take a single picture. I really can?t explain what happened. An absolute certainty flooded through me ? ?I am not going to take any photographs, because I am going to be here!?. >> >> In the afternoon, I went for the interview, got accepted - and eventually got enrolled in Liverpool Uni for a degree. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ======= >> >> Alec Bray >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> Mob: 07789 561 346 >> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Jan 6 07:03:25 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 13:03:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would have thought that the BBC could also make better use of iPlayer to offer a wide selection of education material during the pandemic. Alan Taylor > On 6 Jan 2021, at 12:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ?It's always amused me that the poor relations of broadcast TV (schools and OU) are now essential viewing on the Beeb. > > In particular, I smile at the OU getting a credit for the hugely popular D. Attenburgh programmes, a long way from the near contempt in which OU programmes were once held. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >>> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:39, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?I surprised its taken the BBC so long to bring schools tv back during the Pandemic >> Every home has a TV and BBC 4 is fallow during the day. >> It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is core education, and more reliable than wifi . >> >> Roger >> >>> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> BBC News? >>> >>> >>> For those of us in the 1960s (and onwards) who were London Studios based and who worked on ?general purpose? crews, there was usually at least one sort of programme a week that we disliked working on. None of the excitement of working on a live drama like ?Softly Softly?, none of the unpredictability of working on TW3 or ?Not Only? But Also? or ?Tonight?, none of the fun of, and occasionally tricky(!), working on ?Play School?. We dreaded programmes such as a party political broadcast (PPB) ? retake again, ?? it does not sound sincere enough ?? And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the schools programmes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks to Bernie?s website, here is an example of a TODS from 66 years ago! Yes, I was on crew 7. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Often we had to mimic ? as-live ? the work of a rostrum camera. There were captions ? as I recall, never more that A3 landscape in size, and quite often smaller ? and we had to track into and out from these captions, maintaining focus, with a turret EMI 203 on a Vinten HP ped. Because of the ped bases and cation stands, we often could not use the widest angle lens, and it was quite exacting work ? pushing and pulling the ped a matter of inches at a time, keeping the camera steady, to change the size of the picture on air. >>> >>> We would rehearse, break for line up, then with some five minutes to go, back to the studio floor, unlock the camera, run the VT clock ? and often groan internally as the title music came over the cans. >>> >>> >>> After my time at the BBC, in 1968, I went into teacher training in Liverpool, and the college I went to sent us out on Teaching Practice within the first six weeks or so ? to see if we really, really wanted to go into teaching. On this, my first teaching practice, I had to go to a Junior School in Kirby (the real-life location for the fictional of ?Z-Cars?: families and neighbourhoods moved from the old dock area slums of Liverpool). >>> >>> Been there a couple of days when the teacher said: ?Today we are going to watch a science program on the Telly?? and there was quite a buzz from the children. In those days, you had to watch the telly programme when it was transmitted. So into the school hall we all trooped, the children sat down, the class teacher switched on the telly. The title music started ? one in the series of programmes I had worked on! That title music made me groan internally ? but there were the children, bouncing around on their seats, big happy smiles, jigging along with the music, fully engaged. Title music ? very evocative. >>> >>> So interesting that the same ?input? could have such different reactions with the different audiences ? >>> >>> >>> >>> ?I wanna tell you a story ?? >>> >>> When I decided to leave the BBC and go into teaching (happened one day when I was sitting on a rostrum on ?Softly Softly?), one of the places I applied to go to was C. F. Mott College of Education in Liverpool. I got invited to go for an interview, which was to take place one afternoon. I went up to Liverpool the day before, as I thought that I could visit Liverpool in the morning. I had my camera with me, as I was always taking photographs - at least I would have some pictures of this famous city, if nothing else. >>> >>> In the morning I went down to see Pier Head, the Liver Building ? The city, although run down, felt vibrant, felt alive ? >>> ? and I did not take a single picture. I really can?t explain what happened. An absolute certainty flooded through me ? ?I am not going to take any photographs, because I am going to be here!?. >>> >>> In the afternoon, I went for the interview, got accepted - and eventually got enrolled in Liverpool Uni for a degree. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ======= >>> >>> Alec Bray >>> >>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >>> Mob: 07789 561 346 >>> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Jan 6 07:06:28 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 13:06:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com>, Message-ID: And there are any amount of rubbish and +1 channels wasting RF bandwidth that could be put to better use. But they won?t because they are all about money, flogging tacky jewellery to people who can?t afford it, etc., etc. Grumpy Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 6 Jan 2021, at 12:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ? It's always amused me that the poor relations of broadcast TV (schools and OU) are now essential viewing on the Beeb. > > In particular, I smile at the OU getting a credit for the hugely popular D. Attenburgh programmes, a long way from the near contempt in which OU programmes were once held. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >>> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:39, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?I surprised its taken the BBC so long to bring schools tv back during the Pandemic >> Every home has a TV and BBC 4 is fallow during the day. >> It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is core education, and more reliable than wifi . >> >> Roger From george at sundive.org Wed Jan 6 07:33:47 2021 From: george at sundive.org (george at sundive.org) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 13:33:47 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8e45b7ea9d386b9ddc383771f69753cc.squirrel@sundive.email> Forgive me, I rarely get involved in this forum because I have little to say of relevance although I'm always interested in the discussions. However this discussion is different because I was directly involved for many years and on many projects. In the 1990s, after being a TV producer for years I changed track and helped develop BBC Education Online, for both adults and children. This was a couple of years before News Online launched. In those days we were still transmitting programmes to schools, but mainly overnight and meant for recording locally. As well as developing online material for schools we also created GCSE Bitesize, which rapidly became very popular with school children. As broadband developed we also made applications delivering video material reworked from our schools programmes. By 2000 we had a comprehensive range of curriculum material for England. I encouraged our friends and colleagues in the other UK Nations to do the same. At the time I retired in 2011 we had 10,000 video clips accurately mapped to the curriculum across all ages up to GCSE. Two other things happened that relate to this discussion. In the late 90's I received a letter via the Director General from the Department of Education. We were being invited to come up with proposals for an Interactive TV Educational system. At that time broadcast TV transmission was not even digital let alone interactive. After some intense discussions with our R&D friends at BBC Kingswood Warren we came up with a prposal that involved both interactive broadcast TV and online in a broadband world. To cut a very long story short we and Granada Learning ran some technical pilots for a few years until the government made up its mind what it really wanted. The outcome was BBC JAM, one or two of you may remember it. Immediately the BBC was challenged by some of the big players in the Education Industry. Some colleagues spent more time at the EU Commission in Brussels than they care to remember. At the same time I was invited to a number of government committee meetings to discuss the possible role of the BBC in the event of a pandemic when the schools would have to close. Sounds familiar? But this was about 20 years ago. I suggested BBC 2 Daytime could be used to deliver some schools content as well as beefing up our online content. Back to BBC JAM and now I move from facts to my opinion, alas the Powers of Darkness prevailed. BBC JAM was closed down not long after it properly launched. As you can see even some of our more 'illustrious' media outlet were not without involvement in its demise. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/feb/28/bbc.digitalmedia I could say more but I will only get angry and that would not do. All the Best....George George Auckland I surprised its taken the BBC so long to bring schools tv back during the > Pandemic > Every home has a TV and BBC 4 is fallow during the day. > It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is > core education, and more reliable than wifi . > > Roger > >> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> BBC News? >> >> >> For those of us in the 1960s (and onwards) who were London Studios based >> and who worked on ?general purpose? crews, there was usually at least >> one sort of programme a week that we disliked working on. None of the >> excitement of working on a live drama like ?Softly Softly?, none of the >> unpredictability of working on TW3 or ?Not Only? But Also? or >> ?Tonight?, none of the fun of, and occasionally tricky(!), working on >> ?Play School?. We dreaded programmes such as a party political >> broadcast (PPB) ? retake again, ?? it does not sound sincere enough ?? >> And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the >> schools programmes. >> >> >> >> >> Thanks to Bernie?s website, here is an example of a TODS from 66 years >> ago! Yes, I was on crew 7. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Often we had to mimic ? as-live ? the work of a rostrum camera. There >> were captions ? as I recall, never more that A3 landscape in size, and >> quite often smaller ? and we had to track into and out from these >> captions, maintaining focus, with a turret EMI 203 on a Vinten HP ped. >> Because of the ped bases and cation stands, we often could not use the >> widest angle lens, and it was quite exacting work ? pushing and pulling >> the ped a matter of inches at a time, keeping the camera steady, to >> change the size of the picture on air. >> >> We would rehearse, break for line up, then with some five minutes to go, >> back to the studio floor, unlock the camera, run the VT clock ? and >> often groan internally as the title music came over the cans. >> >> >> After my time at the BBC, in 1968, I went into teacher training in >> Liverpool, and the college I went to sent us out on Teaching Practice >> within the first six weeks or so ? to see if we really, really wanted to >> go into teaching. On this, my first teaching practice, I had to go to >> a Junior School in Kirby (the real-life location for the fictional of >> ?Z-Cars?: families and neighbourhoods moved from the old dock area >> slums of Liverpool). >> >> Been there a couple of days when the teacher said: ?Today we are going >> to watch a science program on the Telly?? and there was quite a buzz >> from the children. In those days, you had to watch the telly programme >> when it was transmitted. So into the school hall we all trooped, the >> children sat down, the class teacher switched on the telly. The title >> music started ? one in the series of programmes I had worked on! That >> title music made me groan internally ? but there were the children, >> bouncing around on their seats, big happy smiles, jigging along with the >> music, fully engaged. Title music ? very evocative. >> >> So interesting that the same ?input? could have such different reactions >> with the different audiences ? >> >> >> >> ?I wanna tell you a story ?? >> >> When I decided to leave the BBC and go into teaching (happened one day >> when I was sitting on a rostrum on ?Softly Softly?), one of the places I >> applied to go to was C. F. Mott College of Education in Liverpool. I >> got invited to go for an interview, which was to take place one >> afternoon. I went up to Liverpool the day before, as I thought that I >> could visit Liverpool in the morning. I had my camera with me, as I was >> always taking photographs - at least I would have some pictures of this >> famous city, if nothing else. >> >> In the morning I went down to see Pier Head, the Liver Building ? The >> city, although run down, felt vibrant, felt alive ? >> ? and I did not take a single picture. I really can?t explain what >> happened. An absolute certainty flooded through me ? ?I am not going >> to take any photographs, because I am going to be here!?. >> >> In the afternoon, I went for the interview, got accepted - and >> eventually got enrolled in Liverpool Uni for a degree. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ======= >> >> Alec Bray >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> Mob: 07789 561 346 >> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Jan 6 07:49:02 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 13:49:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B2A67CC-9A25-4A9E-8E14-7855B35C09C2@me.com> That nice Mr Sunak's old boss at Goldman-Sachs will soon sort that out when he takes up his new job as BBC Chairman in February. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 6 Jan 2021, at 13:06, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?And there are any amount of rubbish and +1 channels wasting RF bandwidth that could be put to better use. But they won?t because they are all about money, flogging tacky jewellery to people who can?t afford it, etc., etc. > Grumpy Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 6 Jan 2021, at 12:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? It's always amused me that the poor relations of broadcast TV (schools and OU) are now essential viewing on the Beeb. >> >> In particular, I smile at the OU getting a credit for the hugely popular D. Attenburgh programmes, a long way from the near contempt in which OU programmes were once held. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >>>>> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:39, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>> ?I surprised its taken the BBC so long to bring schools tv back during the Pandemic >>> Every home has a TV and BBC 4 is fallow during the day. >>> It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is core education, and more reliable than wifi . >>> >>> Roger > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Wed Jan 6 09:10:57 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 15:10:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <8e45b7ea9d386b9ddc383771f69753cc.squirrel@sundive.email> References: <8e45b7ea9d386b9ddc383771f69753cc.squirrel@sundive.email> Message-ID: Crickey who ever thought the Guardian and the EU would object to free BBC education content! Roger Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Jan 2021, at 13:33, george at sundive.org wrote: > > ?Forgive me, I rarely get involved in this forum because I have little to > say of relevance although I'm always interested in the discussions. > However this discussion is different because I was directly involved for > many years and on many projects. > In the 1990s, after being a TV producer for years I changed track and > helped develop BBC Education Online, for both adults and children. This > was a couple of years before News Online launched. > > In those days we were still transmitting programmes to schools, but mainly > overnight and meant for recording locally. As well as developing online > material for schools we also created GCSE Bitesize, which rapidly became > very popular with school children. > > As broadband developed we also made applications delivering video material > reworked from our schools programmes. By 2000 we had a comprehensive range > of curriculum material for England. I encouraged our friends and > colleagues in the other UK Nations to do the same. At the time I retired > in 2011 we had 10,000 video clips accurately mapped to the curriculum > across all ages up to GCSE. > Two other things happened that relate to this discussion. In the late 90's > I received a letter via the Director General from the Department of > Education. We were being invited to come up with proposals for an > Interactive TV Educational system. At that time broadcast TV transmission > was not even digital let alone interactive. After some intense discussions > with our R&D friends at BBC Kingswood Warren we came up with a prposal > that involved both interactive broadcast TV and online in a broadband > world. To cut a very long story short we and Granada Learning ran some > technical pilots for a few years until the government made up its mind > what it really wanted. > The outcome was BBC JAM, one or two of you may remember it. Immediately > the BBC was challenged by some of the big players in the Education > Industry. Some colleagues spent more time at the EU Commission in Brussels > than they care to remember. > At the same time I was invited to a number of government committee > meetings to discuss the possible role of the BBC in the event of a > pandemic when the schools would have to close. Sounds familiar? But this > was about 20 years ago. I suggested BBC 2 Daytime could be used to deliver > some schools content as well as beefing up our online content. > > Back to BBC JAM and now I move from facts to my opinion, alas the Powers > of Darkness prevailed. BBC JAM was closed down not long after it properly > launched. As you can see even some of our more 'illustrious' media outlet > were not without involvement in its demise. > > https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/feb/28/bbc.digitalmedia > > I could say more but I will only get angry and that would not do. > > All the Best....George > > George Auckland > > > I surprised its taken the BBC so long to bring schools tv back during the >> Pandemic >> Every home has a TV and BBC 4 is fallow during the day. >> It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is >> core education, and more reliable than wifi . >> >> Roger >> >>> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> BBC News? >>> >>> >>> For those of us in the 1960s (and onwards) who were London Studios based >>> and who worked on ?general purpose? crews, there was usually at least >>> one sort of programme a week that we disliked working on. None of the >>> excitement of working on a live drama like ?Softly Softly?, none of the >>> unpredictability of working on TW3 or ?Not Only? But Also? or >>> ?Tonight?, none of the fun of, and occasionally tricky(!), working on >>> ?Play School?. We dreaded programmes such as a party political >>> broadcast (PPB) ? retake again, ?? it does not sound sincere enough ?? >>> And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the >>> schools programmes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks to Bernie?s website, here is an example of a TODS from 66 years >>> ago! Yes, I was on crew 7. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Often we had to mimic ? as-live ? the work of a rostrum camera. There >>> were captions ? as I recall, never more that A3 landscape in size, and >>> quite often smaller ? and we had to track into and out from these >>> captions, maintaining focus, with a turret EMI 203 on a Vinten HP ped. >>> Because of the ped bases and cation stands, we often could not use the >>> widest angle lens, and it was quite exacting work ? pushing and pulling >>> the ped a matter of inches at a time, keeping the camera steady, to >>> change the size of the picture on air. >>> >>> We would rehearse, break for line up, then with some five minutes to go, >>> back to the studio floor, unlock the camera, run the VT clock ? and >>> often groan internally as the title music came over the cans. >>> >>> >>> After my time at the BBC, in 1968, I went into teacher training in >>> Liverpool, and the college I went to sent us out on Teaching Practice >>> within the first six weeks or so ? to see if we really, really wanted to >>> go into teaching. On this, my first teaching practice, I had to go to >>> a Junior School in Kirby (the real-life location for the fictional of >>> ?Z-Cars?: families and neighbourhoods moved from the old dock area >>> slums of Liverpool). >>> >>> Been there a couple of days when the teacher said: ?Today we are going >>> to watch a science program on the Telly?? and there was quite a buzz >>> from the children. In those days, you had to watch the telly programme >>> when it was transmitted. So into the school hall we all trooped, the >>> children sat down, the class teacher switched on the telly. The title >>> music started ? one in the series of programmes I had worked on! That >>> title music made me groan internally ? but there were the children, >>> bouncing around on their seats, big happy smiles, jigging along with the >>> music, fully engaged. Title music ? very evocative. >>> >>> So interesting that the same ?input? could have such different reactions >>> with the different audiences ? >>> >>> >>> >>> ?I wanna tell you a story ?? >>> >>> When I decided to leave the BBC and go into teaching (happened one day >>> when I was sitting on a rostrum on ?Softly Softly?), one of the places I >>> applied to go to was C. F. Mott College of Education in Liverpool. I >>> got invited to go for an interview, which was to take place one >>> afternoon. I went up to Liverpool the day before, as I thought that I >>> could visit Liverpool in the morning. I had my camera with me, as I was >>> always taking photographs - at least I would have some pictures of this >>> famous city, if nothing else. >>> >>> In the morning I went down to see Pier Head, the Liver Building ? The >>> city, although run down, felt vibrant, felt alive ? >>> ? and I did not take a single picture. I really can?t explain what >>> happened. An absolute certainty flooded through me ? ?I am not going >>> to take any photographs, because I am going to be here!?. >>> >>> In the afternoon, I went for the interview, got accepted - and >>> eventually got enrolled in Liverpool Uni for a degree. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ======= >>> >>> Alec Bray >>> >>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >>> Mob: 07789 561 346 >>> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 10:03:47 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 16:03:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: References: <8e45b7ea9d386b9ddc383771f69753cc.squirrel@sundive.email> Message-ID: <0ef406f0-4791-4a24-80f0-49b10f87cf6e@ntlworld.com> Time to relaunch! B On 06/01/2021 15:10, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > Crickey who ever thought the Guardian and the EU would object to free BBC education content! > > Roger > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 6 Jan 2021, at 13:33, george at sundive.org wrote: >> >> ?Forgive me, I rarely get involved in this forum because I have little to >> say of relevance although I'm always interested in the discussions. >> However this discussion is different because I was directly involved for >> many years and on many projects. >> In the 1990s, after being a TV producer for years I changed track and >> helped develop BBC Education Online, for both adults and children. This >> was a couple of years before News Online launched. >> >> In those days we were still transmitting programmes to schools, but mainly >> overnight and meant for recording locally. As well as developing online >> material for schools we also created GCSE Bitesize, which rapidly became >> very popular with school children. >> >> As broadband developed we also made applications delivering video material >> reworked from our schools programmes. By 2000 we had a comprehensive range >> of curriculum material for England. I encouraged our friends and >> colleagues in the other UK Nations to do the same. At the time I retired >> in 2011 we had 10,000 video clips accurately mapped to the curriculum >> across all ages up to GCSE. >> Two other things happened that relate to this discussion. In the late 90's >> I received a letter via the Director General from the Department of >> Education. We were being invited to come up with proposals for an >> Interactive TV Educational system. At that time broadcast TV transmission >> was not even digital let alone interactive. After some intense discussions >> with our R&D friends at BBC Kingswood Warren we came up with a prposal >> that involved both interactive broadcast TV and online in a broadband >> world. To cut a very long story short we and Granada Learning ran some >> technical pilots for a few years until the government made up its mind >> what it really wanted. >> The outcome was BBC JAM, one or two of you may remember it. Immediately >> the BBC was challenged by some of the big players in the Education >> Industry. Some colleagues spent more time at the EU Commission in Brussels >> than they care to remember. >> At the same time I was invited to a number of government committee >> meetings to discuss the possible role of the BBC in the event of a >> pandemic when the schools would have to close. Sounds familiar? But this >> was about 20 years ago. I suggested BBC 2 Daytime could be used to deliver >> some schools content as well as beefing up our online content. >> >> Back to BBC JAM and now I move from facts to my opinion, alas the Powers >> of Darkness prevailed. BBC JAM was closed down not long after it properly >> launched. As you can see even some of our more 'illustrious' media outlet >> were not without involvement in its demise. >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/feb/28/bbc.digitalmedia >> >> I could say more but I will only get angry and that would not do. >> >> All the Best....George >> >> George Auckland >> >> >> I surprised its taken the BBC so long to bring schools tv back during the >>> Pandemic >>> Every home has a TV and BBC 4 is fallow during the day. >>> It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is >>> core education, and more reliable than wifi . >>> >>> Roger >>> >>>> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> BBC News? >>>> >>>> >>>> For those of us in the 1960s (and onwards) who were London Studios based >>>> and who worked on ?general purpose? crews, there was usually at least >>>> one sort of programme a week that we disliked working on. None of the >>>> excitement of working on a live drama like ?Softly Softly?, none of the >>>> unpredictability of working on TW3 or ?Not Only? But Also? or >>>> ?Tonight?, none of the fun of, and occasionally tricky(!), working on >>>> ?Play School?. We dreaded programmes such as a party political >>>> broadcast (PPB) ? retake again, ?? it does not sound sincere enough ?? >>>> And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the >>>> schools programmes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks to Bernie?s website, here is an example of a TODS from 66 years >>>> ago! Yes, I was on crew 7. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Often we had to mimic ? as-live ? the work of a rostrum camera. There >>>> were captions ? as I recall, never more that A3 landscape in size, and >>>> quite often smaller ? and we had to track into and out from these >>>> captions, maintaining focus, with a turret EMI 203 on a Vinten HP ped. >>>> Because of the ped bases and cation stands, we often could not use the >>>> widest angle lens, and it was quite exacting work ? pushing and pulling >>>> the ped a matter of inches at a time, keeping the camera steady, to >>>> change the size of the picture on air. >>>> >>>> We would rehearse, break for line up, then with some five minutes to go, >>>> back to the studio floor, unlock the camera, run the VT clock ? and >>>> often groan internally as the title music came over the cans. >>>> >>>> >>>> After my time at the BBC, in 1968, I went into teacher training in >>>> Liverpool, and the college I went to sent us out on Teaching Practice >>>> within the first six weeks or so ? to see if we really, really wanted to >>>> go into teaching. On this, my first teaching practice, I had to go to >>>> a Junior School in Kirby (the real-life location for the fictional of >>>> ?Z-Cars?: families and neighbourhoods moved from the old dock area >>>> slums of Liverpool). >>>> >>>> Been there a couple of days when the teacher said: ?Today we are going >>>> to watch a science program on the Telly?? and there was quite a buzz >>>> from the children. In those days, you had to watch the telly programme >>>> when it was transmitted. So into the school hall we all trooped, the >>>> children sat down, the class teacher switched on the telly. The title >>>> music started ? one in the series of programmes I had worked on! That >>>> title music made me groan internally ? but there were the children, >>>> bouncing around on their seats, big happy smiles, jigging along with the >>>> music, fully engaged. Title music ? very evocative. >>>> >>>> So interesting that the same ?input? could have such different reactions >>>> with the different audiences ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?I wanna tell you a story ?? >>>> >>>> When I decided to leave the BBC and go into teaching (happened one day >>>> when I was sitting on a rostrum on ?Softly Softly?), one of the places I >>>> applied to go to was C. F. Mott College of Education in Liverpool. I >>>> got invited to go for an interview, which was to take place one >>>> afternoon. I went up to Liverpool the day before, as I thought that I >>>> could visit Liverpool in the morning. I had my camera with me, as I was >>>> always taking photographs - at least I would have some pictures of this >>>> famous city, if nothing else. >>>> >>>> In the morning I went down to see Pier Head, the Liver Building ? The >>>> city, although run down, felt vibrant, felt alive ? >>>> ? and I did not take a single picture. I really can?t explain what >>>> happened. An absolute certainty flooded through me ? ?I am not going >>>> to take any photographs, because I am going to be here!?. >>>> >>>> In the afternoon, I went for the interview, got accepted - and >>>> eventually got enrolled in Liverpool Uni for a degree. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ======= >>>> >>>> Alec Bray >>>> >>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >>>> Mob: 07789 561 346 >>>> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 6 11:22:11 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 17:22:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ff5f1c2.1c69fb81.3fcc1.bc36@mx.google.com> Strangely enough, I found that some programmes that on the face of it, seemed fairly easy, could actually be quite challenging. Mixing Blue Peter, live, was seat of the pants, sometimes ? there could be Ampex and Telecine inserts, maybe some musicians, not to mention the main presenters ? always boom, no radio mics in the early 60?s! Here are some tales of LG progs, in my experience: Looking back further, as I?m now 78, (shock horror!), I can remember, whilst being incarcerated in boarding prep school in the ?50?s, being allowed to stay up in our dressing gowns to watch ?Sportsview? on the Headmaster?s TV. I hated sport, and would rather have stayed in bed, but for the sake of the others in the dorm, sat still and tried to take an interest. How ironic then, that having secured a job with BBC TV, I was posted to the crew which did indeed transmit ?Sportsview? from Lime Grove! (Crew 2, in those days), with the same Peter Dimmock, presenting. Tonight I used to operate the main boom on Cliff's desk - no personal mics then! We were depending on a Telecine insert to give time to track to the other end of the studio, for Robin Hall & Jimmy McGregor's song. >From the gallery: " We don't have the film - going to song.....!" So a mad swing from Cliff, and rack out, while my tracker bumped over camera cables to reach the appointed spot. No idea what it must have sounded like - but that's live television for you! Panorama Richard D was the ultimate professional, but he had a lovely sense of humour. Fellow technicians will remember Joan Marsden (Floor Manager) known as "Mother" to cast and crew alike, who ran the studio with a rod of iron. One night, to illustrate the number of summonses sent out by one London borough, there was a huge pile of brown envelopes in front of RD's desk. On rehearsal, he leant forward, picked upon the top one, wrote on it, replaced it, and beckoned the camera to focus on it. It read: "To Mother - for Soliciting" The management at TVC were sometimes blind. An occasion arose where George Mitchell wanted the same music balancer from week to week. Management insisted that all personnel were trained to the same level and therefore interchangeable*. Not so, there were people like Len Shorey and Hugh Barker who were excellent at Jazz and big band music shows, and others who preferred drama. We didn?t all come out of the same mould, although management never grasped that. Marion Gates, the Sound Office secretary who was responsible for scheduling the Sound Supervisors and Gram Ops, was exemplary at knowing which programmes people liked working on, and who with (or not!), directors requesting certain people etc. Somehow she kept everyone happy most of the time. A rare talent. Regards Pat (* George took the music recording to Lansdowne, where he could get the same engineer each time. The guy was never credited, which shows the po-faced attitude of management. His widow tells me that even after pulling in audience figures of 16 million, the BBC never, ever said Thank You to him). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 06 January 2021 10:20 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes For those of us in the 1960s (and onwards) who were London Studios based and who worked on ?general purpose? crews, there was usually at least one sort of programme a week that we disliked working on. None of the excitement of working on a live drama like ?Softly Softly?, none of the unpredictability of working on TW3 or ?Not Only? But Also? or ?Tonight?, none of the fun of, and occasionally tricky(!), working on ?Play School?. We dreaded programmes such as a party political broadcast (PPB) ? retake again, ?? it does not sound sincere enough ?? And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the schools programmes. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Wed Jan 6 11:29:01 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 17:29:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> As somebody who produced and directed an OU/BBC 50 minute documentary on the economic problems facing Tanzania in 1982 I was brought up short by Alasdair?s comment of OU programmes being held in near contempt. By whom, and was it merited? I also speak as someone who graduated with the OU in 1977 and gained much from many of their programmes transmitted during the 70s. Garth > On 6 Jan 2021, at 12:50, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > It's always amused me that the poor relations of broadcast TV (schools and OU) are now essential viewing on the Beeb. > > In particular, I smile at the OU getting a credit for the hugely popular D. Attenburgh programmes, a long way from the near contempt in which OU programmes were once held. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:39, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I surprised its taken the BBC so long to bring schools tv back during the Pandemic >> Every home has a TV and BBC 4 is fallow during the day. >> It has a vast archive of educational content , it may be dated but it is core education, and more reliable than wifi . >> >> Roger >> >>> On 6 Jan 2021, at 10:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> BBC News? >>> >>> >>> For those of us in the 1960s (and onwards) who were London Studios based and who worked on ?general purpose? crews, there was usually at least one sort of programme a week that we disliked working on. None of the excitement of working on a live drama like ?Softly Softly?, none of the unpredictability of working on TW3 or ?Not Only? But Also? or ?Tonight?, none of the fun of, and occasionally tricky(!), working on ?Play School?. We dreaded programmes such as a party political broadcast (PPB) ? retake again, ?? it does not sound sincere enough ?? And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the schools programmes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks to Bernie?s website, here is an example of a TODS from 66 years ago! Yes, I was on crew 7. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Often we had to mimic ? as-live ? the work of a rostrum camera. There were captions ? as I recall, never more that A3 landscape in size, and quite often smaller ? and we had to track into and out from these captions, maintaining focus, with a turret EMI 203 on a Vinten HP ped. Because of the ped bases and cation stands, we often could not use the widest angle lens, and it was quite exacting work ? pushing and pulling the ped a matter of inches at a time, keeping the camera steady, to change the size of the picture on air. >>> >>> We would rehearse, break for line up, then with some five minutes to go, back to the studio floor, unlock the camera, run the VT clock ? and often groan internally as the title music came over the cans. >>> >>> >>> After my time at the BBC, in 1968, I went into teacher training in Liverpool, and the college I went to sent us out on Teaching Practice within the first six weeks or so ? to see if we really, really wanted to go into teaching. On this, my first teaching practice, I had to go to a Junior School in Kirby (the real-life location for the fictional of ?Z-Cars?: families and neighbourhoods moved from the old dock area slums of Liverpool). >>> >>> Been there a couple of days when the teacher said: ?Today we are going to watch a science program on the Telly?? and there was quite a buzz from the children. In those days, you had to watch the telly programme when it was transmitted. So into the school hall we all trooped, the children sat down, the class teacher switched on the telly. The title music started ? one in the series of programmes I had worked on! That title music made me groan internally ? but there were the children, bouncing around on their seats, big happy smiles, jigging along with the music, fully engaged. Title music ? very evocative. >>> >>> So interesting that the same ?input? could have such different reactions with the different audiences ? >>> >>> >>> >>> ?I wanna tell you a story ?? >>> >>> When I decided to leave the BBC and go into teaching (happened one day when I was sitting on a rostrum on ?Softly Softly?), one of the places I applied to go to was C. F. Mott College of Education in Liverpool. I got invited to go for an interview, which was to take place one afternoon. I went up to Liverpool the day before, as I thought that I could visit Liverpool in the morning. I had my camera with me, as I was always taking photographs - at least I would have some pictures of this famous city, if nothing else. >>> >>> In the morning I went down to see Pier Head, the Liver Building ? The city, although run down, felt vibrant, felt alive ? >>> ? and I did not take a single picture. I really can?t explain what happened. An absolute certainty flooded through me ? ?I am not going to take any photographs, because I am going to be here!?. >>> >>> In the afternoon, I went for the interview, got accepted - and eventually got enrolled in Liverpool Uni for a degree. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ======= >>> >>> Alec Bray >>> >>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >>> Mob: 07789 561 346 >>> Tel: 0118 981 7502 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Broke for Line-up. 10 minutes to go to live transmission - and no sign of Robin or Jimmy. 5 minutes to go to live transmission - and no sign of Robin or Jimmy. 2 minutes to go to live transmission - and no sign of Robin or Jimmy. At about 15 seconds to live transmission, Robin and Jimmy burst through the studio doors to LG "G".? Then there was an expletive followed by Jimmy looking down and shouting "I forgot my guitar". By this time the cue dots had appeared? and the director shouted "Cue TK".? There was just enough time for TK to run up! The caption sequence was rerun the following night.... -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob:? 07789 561 346 Tel:? 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 06 January 2021 10:20 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes And one of the programmes that we least liked to work on were the schools programmes. ? ? ? -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Jan 7 04:59:27 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 10:59:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> Message-ID: <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> In article <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B at me.com>, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > As somebody who produced and directed an OU/BBC 50 minute documentary on > the economic problems facing Tanzania in 1982 I was brought up short by > Alasdair?s comment of OU programmes being held in near contempt. By > whom, and was it merited? I also speak as someone who graduated with the > OU in 1977 and gained much from many of their programmes transmitted > during the 70s. Garth Yes - often fascinating to watch. My guess is the comment referred to working on them, rather than the content. Was it OU or schools where they sometimes seconded an expert on the subject to direct the prog? Two different skills, I'd say, and having one doesn't mean you have the other. Bit like the emphasis given to music skills when choosing sound people. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jan 7 06:02:49 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 12:02:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C@me.com> I often suggested that promoting senior operators to management wasn't always a sure fire success either. One the one hand you have a 100% chance of losing a proven operator, but as for the chances of acquiring a great manager, there is no guarantee. In my part of the BBC ( OBs in general, not just OB sound ) I saw it work both ways, some truly exceptional managers promoted from the ranks, but others where it's probably better to say very little publicly. Management of people requires an entirely different set of skills to doing an operational job and I think that in some cases, things might have worked out better by engaging a good career manager with minimal knowledge of the technicalities instead of promoting somebody who didn't turn out to have good "people skills. Further to that argument, I never understood why managers should necessarily be paid more than the operational staff. Things might have worked out better in the grand scheme of things if senior operators could simply be paid more to continue doing what they do best and management of crews handled by somebody with appropriate skills, whether that means from the ranks or from outside. Part of the trouble was that we tended to be a rather insubordinate bunch and not particularly easy to manage. It certainly needed the right sort of person to do it well. Further to Dave's comment about directors, it's also interesting working on a long series which is split between two or more directors. I'm sure that many of you will have noticed how there can be a massive change of approach between directors on the same show. I can think of several series I did where one director wanted to make an impact with fresh ideas, but often wasted time on things which ultimately weren't that crucial to telling the story, while another director was an old hand who knew how to get results quickly, ensuring that they left enough time to spend on the bits which really needed it. They were all directors worthy of the job title, but I can see why producers have a habit of gravitating towards employing a safe pair of hands. However as a sound supervisor who got paid overtime, my finances were handsomely boosted by directors who were a bit haphazard and regularly clocked up massive over-runs. Alan Taylor On 7 Jan 2021, at 7 Jan . 10:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Was it OU or schools where they sometimes seconded an expert on the > subject to direct the prog? Two different skills, I'd say, and having one > doesn't mean you have the other. > > Bit like the emphasis given to music skills when choosing sound people. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Jan 7 08:55:17 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 14:55:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C@me.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C@me.com> Message-ID: <58eb223d80davesound@btinternet.com> In article <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Management of people requires an entirely different set of skills to > doing an operational job and I think that in some cases, things might > have worked out better by engaging a good career manager with minimal > knowledge of the technicalities instead of promoting somebody who didn't > turn out to have good "people skills. Further to that argument, I never > understood why managers should necessarily be paid more than the > operational staff. Things might have worked out better in the grand > scheme of things if senior operators could simply be paid more to > continue doing what they do best and management of crews handled by > somebody with appropriate skills, whether that means from the ranks or > from outside. Part of the trouble was that we tended to be a rather > insubordinate bunch and not particularly easy to manage. It certainly > needed the right sort of person to do it well. Very easily explained. It's management who decide the pay rates. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Jan 7 09:38:53 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 15:38:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C@me.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C@me.com> Message-ID: <5ff72b0d.1c69fb81.7033b.b01b@mx.google.com> Two comments from me relating to Alan?s thread: I was granted a board for Sound Supervisor ? didn?t get it, it went to Mike McCarthy, a very worthy gent. I didn?t mind that at all, as I knew he was the better candidate, and we are good friends to this day. The board were kind enough to say that they couldn?t fault me on technical knowledge, but at twenty-seven I would have been the youngest SS and they felt that I didn?t have the skills/experience necessary to handle subordinate staff ? quite right, they were spot on. Re: different directors. I worked for 17 weeks on an ATV children?s show in Switzerland ? lovely location (I learned to drive on snow and ice!). Two directors taking turn and turn about on the 30? stories, hopefully shot one per week. Core cast stayed on location, guest actors came in week by week. One director whom I knew from TVC had a TV background, the other was far more film oriented. I was surprised when the cameraman told me that the latter?s material was re-edited to match the ?TV style?. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 07 January 2021 12:03 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes I often suggested that promoting senior operators to management wasn't always a sure fire success either. One the one hand you have a 100% chance of losing a proven operator, but as for the chances of acquiring a great manager, there is no guarantee. Management of people requires an entirely different set of skills to doing an operational job. Further to Dave's comment about directors, it's also interesting working on a long series which is split between two or more directors. I'm sure that many of you will have noticed how there can be a massive change of approach between directors on the same show. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Jan 7 11:04:09 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 17:04:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sound Department (was BBC Schools Programmes) In-Reply-To: <5ff72b0d.1c69fb81.7033b.b01b@mx.google.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C@me.com> <5ff72b0d.1c69fb81.7033b.b01b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Being a Bristol lad, when I went on the Regional Sound Training Course (i.e. SS training, for the benefit of those who were not TVC/OB sound bods), it was made fairly clear that, certainly at TVC, if you hadn?t made SS by the age of 30 or soon after, you probably wouldn?t and sure enough, thanks to that awfully nice DSB, and probably GSM as well, I made it at the tender age of 28. You are quite right though Pat, that one of the points emphasised through two or three board questions was the potential for conflict with older SA1?s and Gram OPs who may have had their own aspirations squashed. Even before I arrived in post, I was very aware that there were several perfectly good candidates who had been overlooked, or even deliberately dissuaded over quite a long period, who had every right to feel aggrieved, but I have said before and will re-emphasise that I never got anything but the greatest professional support and real friendship from the whole of the Sound Department at Television Centre, particularly since the SA1s to a man were older than me. If you are amongst that happy band of friendly Sound guys, in whichever role, and I haven?t said thank you in person, please take this as belated thanks for 26 very enjoyable years in one of the most highly skilled and professional establishments one could hope to encounter. What a shame today?s breed of politicians don?t appreciate that, or attempt to follow the same philosophy in their own roles ~ a central principle, particularly for live transmissions, or events away from base, was ?What do we do when (not if) something goes wrong?? And if the opportunity arose in advance to prevent problems, it was almost invariably taken ~ I cite late anti-Covid measures and the lack of security staff standing by for trouble in Washington yesterday as two prime examples. Enough waffle. Mke G > On 7 Jan 2021, at 15:38, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Two comments from me relating to Alan?s thread: > I was granted a board for Sound Supervisor ? didn?t get it, it went to Mike McCarthy, a very worthy gent. > I didn?t mind that at all, as I knew he was the better candidate, and we are good friends to this day. > The board were kind enough to say that they couldn?t fault me on technical knowledge, but at twenty-seven > I would have been the youngest SS and they felt that I didn?t have the skills/experience necessary to handle subordinate > staff ? quite right, they were spot on. > Re: different directors. > I worked for 17 weeks on an ATV children?s show in Switzerland ? lovely location (I learned to drive on snow and ice!). > Two directors taking turn and turn about on the 30? stories, hopefully shot one per week. Core cast stayed on location, > guest actors came in week by week. > One director whom I knew from TVC had a TV background, the other was far more film oriented. > I was surprised when the cameraman told me that the latter?s material was re-edited to match the ?TV style?. > Regards > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 07 January 2021 12:03 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes > > I often suggested that promoting senior operators to management wasn't always a sure fire success either. One the one hand you have a 100% chance of losing a proven operator, but as for the chances of acquiring a great manager, there is no guarantee. > Management of people requires an entirely different set of skills to doing an operational job. > Further to Dave's comment about directors, it's also interesting working on a long series which is split between two or more directors. I'm sure that many of you will have noticed how there can be a massive change of approach between directors on the same show. > Alan Taylor > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 7 15:07:29 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 21:07:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sound Department (was BBC Schools Programmes) In-Reply-To: References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C@me.com> <5ff72b0d.1c69fb81.7033b.b01b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <33cfe51f-c802-cf23-614d-9813e072c17f@btinternet.com> There was an opportunity given to all sound staff to visit personnel and be told whether or not to ever apply again for promotion! Democracy, what? Being a founder member of the 'Down River sailing Club' I didn't bother as the writing was on the wall after J-J said after a very successful Riverside music recording session with the Sound Training course, (I wanted to do music and comedy, THEY wanted me to do news and current affairs) J-J uttered the immortal phrase 'I suppose you think that you have proved a point!' After that it was downhill all the way to OBs where life really perked up! As Nick has already mentioned he was doomed by his youthful good looks and daring to lecture on sound at a college! Cheers, Dave. On 07/01/2021 17:04, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Being a Bristol lad, when I went on the Regional Sound Training Course > (i.e. SS training, for the benefit of those who were not TVC/OB sound > bods), it was made fairly clear that, certainly at TVC, if you hadn?t > made SS by the age of 30 or soon after, you probably wouldn?t and sure > enough, thanks to that awfully nice DSB, and probably GSM as well, I > made it at the tender age of 28. You are quite right though Pat, that > one of the points emphasised through two or three board questions was > the potential for conflict with older SA1?s and Gram OPs who may have > had their own aspirations squashed. Even before I arrived in post, I > was very aware that there were several perfectly good candidates who > had been overlooked, or even deliberately dissuaded over quite a long > period, who had every right to feel aggrieved, but I have said before > and will re-emphasise that I never got anything but the greatest > professional support and real friendship from the whole of the Sound > Department at Television Centre, particularly since the SA1s to a man > were older than me. > > If you are amongst that happy band of friendly Sound guys, in > whichever role, and I haven?t said thank you in person, please take > this as belated thanks for 26 very enjoyable years in one of the most > highly skilled and professional establishments one could hope to > encounter. What a shame today?s breed of politicians don?t appreciate > that, or attempt to follow the same philosophy in their own roles ~ a > central principle, particularly for live transmissions, or events away > from base, was ?What do we do when (not if) something goes wrong?? And > if the opportunity arose in advance to prevent problems, it was almost > invariably taken ~ I cite late anti-Covid measures and the lack of > security staff standing by for trouble in Washington yesterday as two > prime examples. > > Enough waffle. > > Mke G > > > >> On 7 Jan 2021, at 15:38, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Two comments from me relating to Alan?s thread: >> I was granted a board for Sound Supervisor ? didn?t get it, it went >> to Mike McCarthy, a very worthy gent. >> I didn?t mind that at all, as I knew he was the better candidate, and >> we are good friends to this day. >> The board were kind enough to say that they couldn?t fault me on >> technical knowledge, but at twenty-seven >> I would have been the youngest SS and they felt that I didn?t have >> the skills/experience necessary to handle subordinate >> staff ? quite right, they were spot on. >> Re: different directors. >> I worked for 17 weeks on an ATV children?s show in Switzerland ? >> lovely location (I learned to drive on snow and ice!). >> Two directors taking turn and turn about on the 30? stories, >> hopefully shot one per week. Core cast stayed on location, >> guest actors came in week by week. >> One director whom I knew from TVC had a TV background, the other was >> far more film oriented. >> I was surprised when the cameraman told me that the latter?s material >> was re-edited to match the ?TV style?. >> Regards >> Pat >> Sent fromMail for >> Windows 10 >> *From:*Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> *Sent:*07 January 2021 12:03 >> *To:*Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes >> I often suggested that promoting senior operators to management >> wasn't always a sure fire success either. One the one hand you have a >> 100% chance of losing a proven operator, but as for the chances of >> acquiring a great manager, there is no guarantee. >> Management of people requires an entirely different set of skills to >> doing an operational job. >> Further to Dave's comment about directors, it's also interesting >> working on a long series which is split between two or more >> directors.? I'm sure that many of you will have noticed how there can >> be a massive change of approach between directors on the same show. >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 7 15:39:52 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 21:39:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Good management? Message-ID: <7af71317-8092-2030-989f-7d7c2ea9cb9a@btinternet.com> Another great example of TVC sound management supporting their staff came about when doing shows in the TV Theatre. When the SS went to lunch the SA1 sat in at the sound desk to keep the faders open so that production could listen to the band call, BUT, under the strict orders that no recordings should be done. On one occasion, an aspiring SA1 was asked to record a musical number by production. He refused, obeying his orders. The producer complained to Head of LE, who complained to GSH, who the bo**ocked the SA1, who then went no further in his career! Great back up! Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Fri Jan 8 04:29:27 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 10:29:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Good management? In-Reply-To: <7af71317-8092-2030-989f-7d7c2ea9cb9a@btinternet.com> References: <7af71317-8092-2030-989f-7d7c2ea9cb9a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <13C3563C-59D9-4049-AF90-F290EC2C2738@mac.com> I wonder who that aspiring SA1 might have been, Dave! Mike G > On 7 Jan 2021, at 21:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Another great example of TVC sound management supporting their staff came about when doing shows in the TV Theatre. When the SS went to lunch the SA1 sat in at the sound desk to keep the faders open so that production could listen to the band call, BUT, under the strict orders that no recordings should be done. On one occasion, an aspiring SA1 was asked to record a musical number by production. He refused, obeying his orders. The producer complained to Head of LE, who complained to GSH, who the bo**ocked the SA1, who then went no further in his career! Great back up! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 8 04:55:47 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 10:55:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Good management? In-Reply-To: <13C3563C-59D9-4049-AF90-F290EC2C2738@mac.com> References: <13C3563C-59D9-4049-AF90-F290EC2C2738@mac.com> Message-ID: <0CC3FB27-DAC7-4A8A-BCA1-52A55B21CD45@me.com> Disregarding the management implementations for a moment, I?m just trying to understand why the SS was not at the sound desk during a band call? I know we all need to be fed, but you don?t get musicians playing for long and I would have hoped to make the most of any time when they were actually playing. Not knocking or criticising anybody, just intrigued why this was the norm? Alan Taylor > On 8 Jan 2021, at 10:29, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I wonder who that aspiring SA1 might have been, Dave! > > Mike G > > >> On 7 Jan 2021, at 21:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Another great example of TVC sound management supporting their staff came about when doing shows in the TV Theatre. When the SS went to lunch the SA1 sat in at the sound desk to keep the faders open so that production could listen to the band call, BUT, under the strict orders that no recordings should be done. On one occasion, an aspiring SA1 was asked to record a musical number by production. He refused, obeying his orders. The producer complained to Head of LE, who complained to GSH, who the bo**ocked the SA1, who then went no further in his career! Great back up! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.neill at icloud.com Fri Jan 8 05:25:44 2021 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 11:25:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Casualty has a history in trying to break away from the ?Hospital Soap? mould. They tried flickery filmic look. I think they even did one show on a single shot. Each time they venture away from the tried and tested the audience don?t like it and they soon revert. Peter Neill > On 3 Jan 2021, at 09:20, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > And I?m not taking back my earlier comments. If that?s the effect he wanted, which it obviously was, he achieved it remarkably well. Pity to inflict it on the entire Casualty-loyal BBC1 audience though. > Bring on the day someone invents Image Stabilisation for television screens. > - - Oh, I just did! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 2 Jan 2021, at 23:13, Geoffrey Hawkes > wrote: >> >> ?Well, sorry if I insulted him with my terse remarks. I guess he was trying to match the frantic storyline with the shooting style, but in my opinion it made the camera operators look like amateurs using their mobiles. >> The story was a dismal one as I said previously, but to be fair, probably reflected what was and is happening in our hospitals. We are grateful for and salute the staff who put their lives at risk every day in caring for the patients, whose numbers we don?t want to find ourselves among, >> Geoff >> >>> On 2 Jan 2021, at 22:51, David Brunt > wrote: >>> ?Steve Hughes has been a semi-regular director on the series since 2012. This appears to be his 27th episode. >>> Before that he did 43 episodes of Doctors and all manner of others dramas. >>> -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 9:55 PM >>> To: Nick Ware >>> Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Casualty >>> In a word, dreadful. I muttered out loud about it till my wife shut me up, for which I don?t blame her as she just wanted to follow the story. I was going to stop watching and post a comment here myself as I could almost hear the groans coming from our quarter. Instead I turned to RT to see who the director was and didn?t recognise the name. I guess he?s a new boy trying to make a name for himself by dressing the Emperor in a new suit of clothes and hopes to win praise from people like Peter Kosminski who used wobbly-cam to extinction on Wolf Hall for which he was hailed as a genius by the writer and others. >>> I thought that a big mistake too as it just draws attention to the shots and away from the action. >>> I can only imagine with Casualty the idea was to convey an air of how frantic the situation was and how it in those early days of unpreparedness the epidemic was escalating out of hand, as it was only done in the flashback scenes not when Connie was expressing her feelings to Charlie. When we got to the end, my wife commented how depressing the story had been and I too thought they had laid it on a bit thick. >>> Incidentally I couldn?t help thinking how wooden Charlie has become, like he?s reading his lines off a board. I?ve noticed that before and he hasn?t improved. I know the character is very popular with the viewers and is the only one remaining of the original cast so they would be very reluctant to drop him. It would be like dropping Dixon from Dock Green - but now they have an ideal time to do it and let everyone mourn. He must be due retirement by any account now, surely. >>> The same could be said (pardon the blasphemy), for The Archers failure to let the Peggy or Jill - or even Jim bow out gracefully through that final-exit door, instead of creating the unreal situation of Ambridge being ?Covid free?, as they announced it through most of last year. Why take that line when the virus was picking off so many people in real life. >>> Again I think developments like that ain?t gonna happen, as it would have the switchboard jammed by callers from Tonbridge in no time? >>> Geoff >>> PS There?s nothing like a good grumble to get the year off to a fine start, is there? >>> Disgusted of Chesham >>>>> On 2 Jan 2021, at 19:51, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?I know this isn?t the place to complain, but if you?re watching Casualty at the moment, what do you think of the camerawork? And why not 16x9? And is it just me that sees massive strobing on fast moving images? >>>> OFF. >>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 8 05:37:18 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 11:37:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Good management? In-Reply-To: <0CC3FB27-DAC7-4A8A-BCA1-52A55B21CD45@me.com> References: <13C3563C-59D9-4049-AF90-F290EC2C2738@mac.com> <0CC3FB27-DAC7-4A8A-BCA1-52A55B21CD45@me.com> Message-ID: <5ff843ee.1c69fb81.cefbc.5b64@mx.google.com> I enjoyed a proud moment years ago, working on Crew 3 sound when we did the Minstrels one weekend and Billy Cotton the next, in TVT. At the band call for Cotton, our regular SS, Adrian Stocks (Yogi) let me set the balance, and I don?t think he changed any of the fader settings for transmission! That was a hell of a good training session, don?t often have the chance of a full band on the end of the mikes. I recall that one of my tasks before going on air, was to remove the empty gin bottles from under the electric organ pedals ? avoiding unwanted clinking noises! While the Minstrels was pre-recorded, George Inns the producer, realised that the band could be away on the night, gigging for another fee, so insisted that they attend the studio. Gave them a live number to justify their presence. They used to get bored and one of them started up a Jewish tune, with every band member joining in and busking. Got out of hand quite quickly to the chagrin of the floor manager! Alan - can?t comment on why the SS wasn?t on the desk for the band call ? that?s the whole point, isn?t it? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 08 January 2021 10:56 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Good management? Disregarding the management implementations for a moment, I?m just trying to understand why the SS was not at the sound desk during a band call? I know we all need to be fed, but you don?t get musicians playing for long and I would have hoped to make the most of any time when they were actually playing. Not knocking or criticising anybody, just intrigued why this was the norm? 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As it happened I was on home ground there because we had cut a number of Guild Records lacquer Masters there. I think it was this version, but there?s some disagreement in the comments about the date. See what you think. I left the Beeb in 1980, which isn?t necessarily to say the music wasn?t still the same, whenever it was (it changed a number of times over the years). IBC was a very small studio, so it sounds right. Anyway, whichever version it was I got bo**ocked for it, and I know the absentee did too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb5ndRhEzf8 Personally, I liked the original Jackanory sig tune best. And even if the dates are wrong, I thought you?d all like to see a VT Clock! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 7 Jan 2021, at 21:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Another great example of TVC sound management supporting their staff came about when doing shows in the TV Theatre. When the SS went to lunch the SA1 sat in at the sound desk to keep the faders open so that production could listen to the band call, BUT, under the strict orders that no recordings should be done. On one occasion, an aspiring SA1 was asked to record a musical number by production. He refused, obeying his orders. The producer complained to Head of LE, who complained to GSH, who the bo**ocked the SA1, who then went no further in his career! Great back up! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Fri Jan 8 06:08:53 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 12:08:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes Message-ID: <32b49a95.22d4a.176e1e6440b.Webtop.93@btinternet.com> The problem for Management in an area like ours is that Operational Staff never considered themselves to be working for Management. It always felt as though we were working for Production. A Manager who said, "I order you to do whatever the Production wants!" was someone who needn't be there at all, because that's what we were doing anyway. A Manager who ordered us to do something different from what the Production wanted was someone we just had to ignore. Working for Production wasn't just a case of blindly obeying orders. We were expected to make a helpful, constructive and creative contributions. Management, from John Birt onwards, expected unquestioning obedience and forelock tugging, which just isn't the way that creative people are programmed. Any attempt to make helpful and constructive suggestions about how they could manage things better was NOT well received. Then, of course, we all went freelance, and discovered that we could carry on working for Production with absolutely zero Management hierarchy looming above us! There was a very useful role for Management in areas like Staff Training, but the Managers doing it needed to know what they were talking about, i.e. to be ex-Operators. Later, as Managers increasingly didn't know what they were talking about, they delegated stuff like training down to ageing Operators. I've known excellent Managers who were ex-Operators, and lousy Mangers who were ex-Operators. I've known excellent Mangers who were never Operators, and lousy Mangers who were never Operators. I'll always remember one Head of Cameras and Lighting who had been completely brainwashed to believe in the perfection of 'Producer Choice'. But as he became more aware of the world around him, he found himself floundering, unable to understand why morale was collapsing catastrophically. In desperation, he once asked me if I believed in "Bad Building Syndrome" (it was a fashionable excuse at the time). I said no, and anyway TV Centre was a wonderful building. But I did believe in Bad Management Syndrome! Much to my surprise, his eyes lit up, as though suddenly everything had become clear. He didn't stay long after that. luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" To: "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" Sent: Thursday, 7 Jan, 21 At 14:55 Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In article <43C42A96-A159-4DE5-85C4-02D27F57390C at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Management of people requires an entirely different set of skills to doing an operational job and I think that in some cases, things might have worked out better by engaging a good career manager with minimal knowledge of the technicalities instead of promoting somebody who didn't turn out to have good "people skills. Further to that argument, I never understood why managers should necessarily be paid more than the operational staff. Things might have worked out better in the grand scheme of things if senior operators could simply be paid more to continue doing what they do best and management of crews handled by somebody with appropriate skills, whether that means from the ranks or from outside. Part of the trouble was that we tended to be a rather insubordinate bunch and not particularly easy to manage. It certainly needed the right sort of person to do it well. Very easily explained. It's management who decide the pay rates. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Fri Jan 8 08:34:05 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 14:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> Maybe I'm weird, but I remember enjoying working on some School's Programmes, and Further Education Programmes, and OU Programmes at Alexandra Palace. Desperate to avoid Talking-Heads and Blackboards, they'd often use experimental and imaginative visuals to communicate their ideas. Schools Programmes could include mini-dramas; semi-dramatised reconstructions; foreign language dramas, and full-blown drama series - often on much smaller budgets than available to Drama Dept. but expecting similar levels of professionalism. Who wouldn't enjoy the challenge? luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 7 Jan, 21 At 10:59 Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In article <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B at me.com>, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: As somebody who produced and directed an OU/BBC 50 minute documentary on the economic problems facing Tanzania in 1982 I was brought up short by Alasdair?s comment of OU programmes being held in near contempt. By whom, and was it merited? I also speak as someone who graduated with the OU in 1977 and gained much from many of their programmes transmitted during the 70s. Garth Yes - often fascinating to watch. My guess is the comment referred to working on them, rather than the content. Was it OU or schools where they sometimes seconded an expert on the subject to direct the prog? Two different skills, I'd say, and having one doesn't mean you have the other. Bit like the emphasis given to music skills when choosing sound people. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jan 8 08:46:55 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 14:46:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> References: <88135CA3-266E-4329-B4D3-25D4D7CF079A@btinternet.com> <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B@me.com> <58eb0ca581davesound@btinternet.com> <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <09329FA4-3001-4607-A9B2-B38BB4DF4600@icloud.com> I remeber doing stop motion animation at AP for an OU programme, using quad VT! Advancing the edit point a couple of frames each time, not sure what it did to the tape but it worked quite nicely in the end. ? Graeme Wall > On 8 Jan 2021, at 14:34, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > Maybe I'm weird, but I remember enjoying working on some School's Programmes, and Further Education Programmes, and OU Programmes at Alexandra Palace. Desperate to avoid Talking-Heads and Blackboards, they'd often use experimental and imaginative visuals to communicate their ideas. Schools Programmes could include mini-dramas; semi-dramatised reconstructions; foreign language dramas, and full-blown drama series - often on much smaller budgets than available to Drama Dept. but expecting similar levels of professionalism. Who wouldn't enjoy the challenge? > > luv, Rog. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: Thursday, 7 Jan, 21 At 10:59 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes > > In article <8922D4E5-6FF8-4907-8556-10AE1C89A36B at me.com>, > > Garth Tucker via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > As somebody who produced and directed an OU/BBC 50 minute documentary on > the economic problems facing Tanzania in 1982 I was brought up short by > Alasdair?s comment of OU programmes being held in near contempt. By > whom, and was it merited? I also speak as someone who graduated with the > OU in 1977 and gained much from many of their programmes transmitted > during the 70s. Garth > > > Yes - often fascinating to watch. My guess is the comment referred to > > > working on them, rather than the content. > > > > > Was it OU or schools where they sometimes seconded an expert on the > > > subject to direct the prog? Two different skills, I'd say, and having one > > > doesn't mean you have the other. > > > > > Bit like the emphasis given to music skills when choosing sound people. ;-) > > > > > -- > > > Dave Plowman > dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > > -- > > > Tech1 mailing list > > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 8 09:02:29 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 15:02:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> References: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0DD950F4-6B3C-483E-8193-D8D461747A1F@me.com> I don?t think it was a true educational programme, but a little show which I always enjoyed working on in the 80s was The Caterpillar Trail. It was a natural history show for young kids. Sometimes the presenter was a very young Chris Packham, with punk style spiky hair, but there were other presenters too and every one of then was great to work with and the shows themselves were always interesting. One bizarre moment was when we went to visit Les Stocker at his home, where in his garden he had built the first hedgehog hospital - St Tiggywinkles. The opening sequence had been scripted in advance. We set up in the road outside his house ... The presenter said ?This may look like a normal suburban road, but there is something amazing here?. I pointed out that on the other side of the road, one house had a fifteen foot Dalek parked on it?s drive. The director explained that the Dalek was nothing to do with the hedgehog hospital, but I said that if you were being told that there is something amazing in this quite ordinary road and the shot included a bloody great big Dalek, a viewer might reasonably suppose that the story was going to be about gigantic Daleks. Reluctantly, the director decided to reposition, we pointed the camera in the other direction and re-recorded the scripted introduction. Alan Taylor From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Jan 8 09:02:56 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 15:02:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58eba6c6c4davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > They tried flickery filmic look. I think they even did one show on a > single shot. Was anyone - other than some office wallers - ever even remotely conned by 'filmic' look? To me it just looked like video with added judder. Not in the least bit like film. Like adding 'clicks' to a CD. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jan 8 09:26:11 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 15:26:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lockdown Walks Series Three Message-ID: Episode 1: The Gloom Descends! ? Graeme Wall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Stoughton Rec.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 592556 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 8 09:35:12 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 15:35:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: <58eba6c6c4davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58eba6c6c4davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5D20CBBE-2623-4A13-BF45-7CCF50BE3478@me.com> There was also that technique of getting the film look by desaturating the pictures and making the images less sharp. I hated it. There was a huge sigh of relief during the planning stage of Life and Loves of a She Devil when asked about what sort of look he was after, Philip Saville declared that he wanted the best images possible from the cameras, none of that film-look nonsense. Alan Taylor On 8 Jan 2021, at 8 Jan . 15:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article , > Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: >> They tried flickery filmic look. I think they even did one show on a >> single shot. > > Was anyone - other than some office wallers - ever even remotely conned by > 'filmic' look? > > To me it just looked like video with added judder. Not in the least bit > like film. Like adding 'clicks' to a CD. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 09:42:17 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 15:42:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Casualty In-Reply-To: <58eba6c6c4davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58eba6c6c4davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5d767da3-7dbf-6453-35c8-15478f7d99b9@gmail.com> It was a long time ago, and pretty primitive.? Now everything is manipulated any way you want, using Resolve or whatever, and almost everything is electronic. When Quentin Tarantino insisted on filming The Hateful Eight on 65mm they had to find a film stock supplier, and resurrect the cameras etc from the Panavision museum.? Few cinemas could show it that way, and it was still a rubbish story B On 08/01/2021 15:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article , > Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: >> They tried flickery filmic look. I think they even did one show on a >> single shot. > Was anyone - other than some office wallers - ever even remotely conned by > 'filmic' look? > > To me it just looked like video with added judder. Not in the least bit > like film. Like adding 'clicks' to a CD. ;-) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One of my favourites was John Hosier's music programmes (can't remember their title), and the enthusiasm of the kids taking part, plus he was such a nice man to work for/with. On the subject of directing cameramen in TVC, I found that, since they knew me, they couldn't do enough to help, as they knew that I (usually) knew what I was talking about. I remember one floor manager Don, can't remember his surname, who floor managed on some of my efforts, and then I operated camera when he was directing (or vice versa, doesn't time fly and the memory play tricks) and we thought it was a great way to understand each others roles. And yes, I floor managed a few productions too.........and did I ever mentioned that I even 'gram-opped' on live radio?. Working in broadcasting, especially on live programmes and events was some of the most emotionally exhilarating, exciting, satisfying, fun, frightening, frustrating and unforgettable moments of my career, thanks guys! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 8 17:28:12 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 23:28:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hedgehogs In-Reply-To: <0DD950F4-6B3C-483E-8193-D8D461747A1F@me.com> References: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> <0DD950F4-6B3C-483E-8193-D8D461747A1F@me.com> Message-ID: <13f02162-bbf2-6661-4001-9dcd180957ca@btinternet.com> I did a PSC shoot at St. Tiggywinkles with Thora Hird as part of her 'Praise Be' series. From small beginnings Les Cocker has managed to build a real pet hospital and good luck to him! Cheers, Dave On 08/01/2021 15:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I don?t think it was a true educational programme, but a little show which I always enjoyed working on in the 80s was The Caterpillar Trail. It was a natural history show for young kids. Sometimes the presenter was a very young Chris Packham, with punk style spiky hair, but there were other presenters too and every one of then was great to work with and the shows themselves were always interesting. > > One bizarre moment was when we went to visit Les Stocker at his home, where in his garden he had built the first hedgehog hospital - St Tiggywinkles. The opening sequence had been scripted in advance. We set up in the road outside his house ... The presenter said ?This may look like a normal suburban road, but there is something amazing here?. > > I pointed out that on the other side of the road, one house had a fifteen foot Dalek parked on it?s drive. The director explained that the Dalek was nothing to do with the hedgehog hospital, but I said that if you were being told that there is something amazing in this quite ordinary road and the shot included a bloody great big Dalek, a viewer might reasonably suppose that the story was going to be about gigantic Daleks. > > Reluctantly, the director decided to reposition, we pointed the camera in the other direction and re-recorded the scripted introduction. > > Alan Taylor > > From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Jan 9 03:42:14 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 09:42:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls Message-ID: <4e505b7f-4092-1219-f10e-3626bcc9a6c2@btinternet.com> Over the last couple of days I've had dialogue with BT over potential cancellation of a little-used secondary email address. Some 40 minutes of rational help came from a Liverpool-based BT call-centre that straightened out other issues too. Since then, I've had 3 'overseas calls' purporting to be from BT, all pre-recorded and beginning 'Hi', threatening disconnection unless...? etc. etc.? I'm sure BT would have these taken down if they could, but the Action Fraud online questionnaire required details that were only available had I engaged with the caller. As I didn't do that, all I had was the incoming call phone no. - amazingly not 'withheld'. Has any one found a way of readily just reporting the scam originator's number? Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 04:06:16 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 10:06:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls In-Reply-To: <4e505b7f-4092-1219-f10e-3626bcc9a6c2@btinternet.com> References: <4e505b7f-4092-1219-f10e-3626bcc9a6c2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi Hugh, Interesting that you say about your conversation with BT about the notice to cancel little used email addresses. I?ve had a message from them about one that I?ve not used for a long time saying that it would be automatically deleted after a certain date and wondered if it was genuine. What was the outcome in your case? Nuisance calls coming from what looks like a genuine UK number on the caller display rather than what used to be flagged as International (we never answered those) are an everyday problem. If you try calling back on those numbers it?s always unobtainable and putting them in your personal blacklist doesn?t do much good other than to fill up the list as next time it?s the same message from ?Amazon? or someone else using a different number. I imagine it?s hard for anyone to devise a system to prevent those calls getting through or to trace the source but it would save a lot of time wasted in answering them and the unwitting from getting duped, Geoff > On 9 Jan 2021, at 09:42, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Over the last couple of days I've had dialogue with BT over potential cancellation of a little-used secondary email address. Some 40 minutes of rational help came from a Liverpool-based BT call-centre that straightened out other issues too. > > Since then, I've had 3 'overseas calls' purporting to be from BT, all pre-recorded and beginning 'Hi', threatening disconnection unless... etc. etc. I'm sure BT would have these taken down if they could, but the Action Fraud online questionnaire required details that were only available had I engaged with the caller. As I didn't do that, all I had was the incoming call phone no. - amazingly not 'withheld'. > > Has any one found a way of readily just reporting the scam originator's number? > > Hugh > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Jan 9 04:34:04 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 10:34:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls In-Reply-To: <4e505b7f-4092-1219-f10e-3626bcc9a6c2@btinternet.com> References: <4e505b7f-4092-1219-f10e-3626bcc9a6c2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately Hugh you can?t find the originating number, they are all spoofed and they change for each batch of calls. The same oufit is responsible for BT scams, Amazon Prime scams and non-specific internet scams. They are believed to originate in the States but that is just guess-work based on the accent of the pre-recorded voice. ? Graeme Wall > On 9 Jan 2021, at 09:42, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > Over the last couple of days I've had dialogue with BT over potential cancellation of a little-used secondary email address. Some 40 minutes of rational help came from a Liverpool-based BT call-centre that straightened out other issues too. > > Since then, I've had 3 'overseas calls' purporting to be from BT, all pre-recorded and beginning 'Hi', threatening disconnection unless... etc. etc. I'm sure BT would have these taken down if they could, but the Action Fraud online questionnaire required details that were only available had I engaged with the caller. As I didn't do that, all I had was the incoming call phone no. - amazingly not 'withheld'. > > Has any one found a way of readily just reporting the scam originator's number? > > Hugh > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 04:59:51 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 10:59:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <544B3058-AAC9-4C2A-A510-EC7C061B5E71@gmail.com> I assumed that they use American sounding voices to overcome the usual Asian ones and that the scammers are based in India as is commonly thought. I would hope that if they are in the USA the police there would be more active in tracing them than in India or wherever. Considering what a huge problem the frauds are both as a nuisance and more importantly for how they steal people?s money, there would be more concerted effort in trying to defeat them. The criminals are clever but there are lots of very clever honest people too and good should be able to triumph over evil, surely? Geoff > On 9 Jan 2021, at 10:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Unfortunately Hugh you can?t find the originating number, they are all spoofed and they change for each batch of calls. The same oufit is responsible for BT scams, Amazon Prime scams and non-specific internet scams. They are believed to originate in the States but that is just guess-work based on the accent of the pre-recorded voice. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 9 Jan 2021, at 09:42, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Over the last couple of days I've had dialogue with BT over potential cancellation of a little-used secondary email address. Some 40 minutes of rational help came from a Liverpool-based BT call-centre that straightened out other issues too. >> >> Since then, I've had 3 'overseas calls' purporting to be from BT, all pre-recorded and beginning 'Hi', threatening disconnection unless... etc. etc. I'm sure BT would have these taken down if they could, but the Action Fraud online questionnaire required details that were only available had I engaged with the caller. As I didn't do that, all I had was the incoming call phone no. - amazingly not 'withheld'. >> >> Has any one found a way of readily just reporting the scam originator's number? >> >> Hugh >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Jan 9 05:16:58 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 11:16:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls In-Reply-To: <544B3058-AAC9-4C2A-A510-EC7C061B5E71@gmail.com> References: <544B3058-AAC9-4C2A-A510-EC7C061B5E71@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AE44122-3A1C-4C18-B06D-01C0B09A9412@me.com> In non English-speaking countries, if you want to learn to speak English, you either learn British English or American English, If it's just called English, the default is likely to be the American variant. I don't think it's a cunning wheeze to fool Brits dealing with call centres, it's just how they learned to speak the language. Alan Taylor On 9 Jan 2021, at 9 Jan . 10:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > I assumed that they use American sounding voices to overcome the usual Asian ones and that the scammers are based in India as is commonly thought. > I would hope that if they are in the USA the police there would be more active in tracing them than in India or wherever. Considering what a huge problem the frauds are both as a nuisance and more importantly for how they steal people?s money, there would be more concerted effort in trying to defeat them. The criminals are clever but there are lots of very clever honest people too and good should be able to triumph over evil, surely? > Geoff > >> On 9 Jan 2021, at 10:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Unfortunately Hugh you can?t find the originating number, they are all spoofed and they change for each batch of calls. The same oufit is responsible for BT scams, Amazon Prime scams and non-specific internet scams. They are believed to originate in the States but that is just guess-work based on the accent of the pre-recorded voice. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 9 Jan 2021, at 09:42, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Over the last couple of days I've had dialogue with BT over potential cancellation of a little-used secondary email address. Some 40 minutes of rational help came from a Liverpool-based BT call-centre that straightened out other issues too. >>> >>> Since then, I've had 3 'overseas calls' purporting to be from BT, all pre-recorded and beginning 'Hi', threatening disconnection unless... etc. etc. I'm sure BT would have these taken down if they could, but the Action Fraud online questionnaire required details that were only available had I engaged with the caller. As I didn't do that, all I had was the incoming call phone no. - amazingly not 'withheld'. >>> >>> Has any one found a way of readily just reporting the scam originator's number? >>> >>> Hugh >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Jan 9 05:34:02 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 11:34:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hedgehogs In-Reply-To: <13f02162-bbf2-6661-4001-9dcd180957ca@btinternet.com> References: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> <0DD950F4-6B3C-483E-8193-D8D461747A1F@me.com> <13f02162-bbf2-6661-4001-9dcd180957ca@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Dear All I haven?t previously entered into this posting but just have to say I worked in Childrens? programmes on a variety of programmes including Play School and Grange Hill. In all respects the basic element with all staff from Designers to the tea ladies was TEAM and fun. Some of you I have worked with are on this posting and I have the highest respect for. I very very rarely found anyone below professional and joining in on making the product better than they found it despite the department, scripts or Directors it came from. As a Director and Producer I feel now that we had no idea we were all trying and indeed making history and excellence. I went to a number of International conferences whilst in Childrens? Programmes and found that we were the best. Thankyou > On 8 Jan 2021, at 23:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > I did a PSC shoot at St. Tiggywinkles with Thora Hird as part of her 'Praise Be' series. From small beginnings Les Cocker has managed to build a real pet hospital and good luck to him! Cheers, Dave > > On 08/01/2021 15:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I don?t think it was a true educational programme, but a little show which I always enjoyed working on in the 80s was The Caterpillar Trail. It was a natural history show for young kids. Sometimes the presenter was a very young Chris Packham, with punk style spiky hair, but there were other presenters too and every one of then was great to work with and the shows themselves were always interesting. >> >> One bizarre moment was when we went to visit Les Stocker at his home, where in his garden he had built the first hedgehog hospital - St Tiggywinkles. The opening sequence had been scripted in advance. We set up in the road outside his house ... The presenter said ?This may look like a normal suburban road, but there is something amazing here?. >> >> I pointed out that on the other side of the road, one house had a fifteen foot Dalek parked on it?s drive. The director explained that the Dalek was nothing to do with the hedgehog hospital, but I said that if you were being told that there is something amazing in this quite ordinary road and the shot included a bloody great big Dalek, a viewer might reasonably suppose that the story was going to be about gigantic Daleks. >> >> Reluctantly, the director decided to reposition, we pointed the camera in the other direction and re-recorded the scripted introduction. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Jan 9 05:39:15 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 11:39:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls In-Reply-To: References: <4e505b7f-4092-1219-f10e-3626bcc9a6c2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks for comments. The first notification re. the little-used email address DID come from an apparently fake BT overseas phone call, with a genuine BT notice by email next day.? Coincidence or what? One reason for non-use had been that incoming messages no longer arrived, seemingly tied to a misplaced or amended password. BT agreed to reinstate the address and I found that the old password worked for it via the BT email service online.But NOT for incoming emails on my laptop via Thunderbird. This seems to be since a T'bird update, so now I am about to re-install. To date, I've used POP3 for the incoming protocol but general advice seems to be to change to IMAP.? That's probably OK for the little-used address, but what might happen to thousands of saved emails if I was to change my main BT address from POP3 to IMAP too?? Advice welcome - privately if it all gets too arcane. Hugh On 09-Jan-21 10:06 AM, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > Hi Hugh, > Interesting that you say about your conversation with BT about the > notice to cancel little used email addresses. I?ve had a message from > them about one that I?ve not used for a long time saying that it would > be automatically deleted after a certain date and wondered if it was > genuine. > What was the outcome in your case? > Nuisance calls coming from what looks like a genuine UK number on the > caller display rather than what used to be flagged as International > (we never answered those) are an everyday problem. If you try calling > back on those numbers it?s always unobtainable and putting them in > your personal blacklist doesn?t do much good other than to fill up the > list as next time it?s the same message from ?Amazon? or someone else > using a different number. I imagine it?s hard for anyone to devise a > system to prevent those calls getting through or to trace the source > but it would save a lot of time wasted in answering them and the > unwitting from getting duped, > > Geoff > >> On 9 Jan 2021, at 09:42, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? Over the last couple of days I've had dialogue with BT over >> potential cancellation of a little-used secondary email address. Some >> 40 minutes of rational help came from a Liverpool-based BT >> call-centre that straightened out other issues too. >> >> Since then, I've had 3 'overseas calls' purporting to be from BT, all >> pre-recorded and beginning 'Hi', threatening disconnection unless...? >> etc. etc.? I'm sure BT would have these taken down if they could, but >> the Action Fraud online questionnaire required details that were only >> available had I engaged with the caller.? As I didn't do that, all I >> had was the incoming call phone no. - amazingly not 'withheld'. >> >> Has any one found a way of readily just reporting the scam >> originator's number? >> >> Hugh >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Jan 9 05:35:38 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2021 11:35:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] BBC Schools Programmes In-Reply-To: <5Z4xgCkZEwfHYoO-DGAJzB65AwZscUoplUvZViRyl7Jw2uQWwfLC0JxOUXSqMefHCYAMiD5Ks7aVbqQ4vyDKY9FYhnKYmsEDVn8NyYC4wq0=@protonmai References: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> <0DD950F4-6B3C-483E-8193-D8D461747A1F@me.com> <5Z4xgCkZEwfHYoO-DGAJzB65AwZscUoplUvZViRyl7Jw2uQWwfLC0JxOUXSqMefHCYAMiD5Ks7aVbqQ4vyDKY9FYhnKYmsEDVn8NyYC4wq0=@protonmai Message-ID: <58ec17a21bdavesound@btinternet.com> In article <5Z4xgCkZEwfHYoO-DGAJzB65AwZscUoplUvZViRyl7Jw2uQWwfLC0JxOUXSqMefHCYAMiD5Ks7aVbqQ4vyDKY9FYhnKYmsEDVn8NyYC4wq0=@protonmai, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > On the subject of directing cameramen in TVC, I found that, since they > knew me, they couldn't do enough to help, as they knew that I (usually) > knew what I was talking about. I remember one floor manager Don, can't > remember his surname, who floor managed on some of my efforts, and then > I operated camera when he was directing (or vice versa, doesn't time fly > and the memory play tricks) and we thought it was a great way to > understand each others roles. And yes, I floor managed a few productions > too.........and did I ever mentioned that I even 'gram-opped' on live > radio?. I always enjoyed the chance to try other jobs on training etc progs. One I discovered I was pretty good at was vision mixing. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From doug at puddifoot.me Sat Jan 9 06:04:11 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2021 12:04:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls Message-ID: Amazon scam in action https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dpp1sIL1m5Q Doug On 9 January 2021, at 10:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Unfortunately Hugh you can?t find the originating number, they are all spoofed and they change for each batch of calls. The same oufit is responsible for BT scams, Amazon Prime scams and non-specific internet scams. They are believed to originate in the States but that is just guess-work based on the accent of the pre-recorded voice. ? Graeme Wall > On 9 Jan 2021, at 09:42, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > Over the last couple of days I've had dialogue with BT over potential cancellation of a little-used secondary email address. Some 40 minutes of rational help came from a Liverpool-based BT call-centre that straightened out other issues too. > > Since then, I've had 3 'overseas calls' purporting to be from BT, all pre-recorded and beginning 'Hi', threatening disconnection unless... etc. etc. I'm sure BT would have these taken down if they could, but the Action Fraud online questionnaire required details that were only available had I engaged with the caller. As I didn't do that, all I had was the incoming call phone no. - amazingly not 'withheld'. > > Has any one found a way of readily just reporting the scam originator's number? > > Hugh > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jan 9 06:10:00 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 12:10:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls In-Reply-To: <8AE44122-3A1C-4C18-B06D-01C0B09A9412@me.com> References: <544B3058-AAC9-4C2A-A510-EC7C061B5E71@gmail.com> <8AE44122-3A1C-4C18-B06D-01C0B09A9412@me.com> Message-ID: <5ff99d17.1c69fb81.b3508.4dab@mx.google.com> Wasn?t it Churchill who said of UK and US: ?Two Nations divided by a common language?? Working with American directors from ABC Sports, I usually had a bag of sweets to chew on. Offering them around, saying ?Have a sweet? was met with incomprehension ? so I had to use the US term: ?candy?. Took too long to explain, otherwise! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2021 11:17 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] More Fake Calls In non English-speaking countries, if you want to learn to speak English, you either learn British English or American English, If it's just called English, the default is likely to be the American variant. I don't think it's a cunning wheeze to fool Brits dealing with call centres, it's just how they learned to speak the language. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jan 9 06:24:59 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 12:24:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Fake Calls In-Reply-To: References: <4e505b7f-4092-1219-f10e-3626bcc9a6c2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ff9a099.1c69fb81.7fbd4.681c@mx.google.com> As Graeme says, the numbers that are used to call you are ?borrowed?. My way of dealing with probable scam calls is to let the answer machine pick it up, if I do not recognise the calling number or it?s not in my phone memory. As soon as the call is dropped, if a number is shown, I mischievously ring it back, invariably getting: ?The number you have dialled has not been recognised!? Thus proving the attempted scam. The disconnection ploy would not work with me, as my phone bill is paid by Direct Debit! In 007 ?Goldeneye? the Russian computer nerd sends a spike to rot up the opposition?s computer ? wish that were possible in real life! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2021 10:34 To: Hugh Sheppard Cc: Maggi Sheppard; Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] More Fake Calls Unfortunately Hugh you can?t find the originating number, they are all spoofed and they change for each batch of calls. The same oufit is responsible for BT scams, Amazon Prime scams and non-specific internet scams. They are believed to originate in the States but that is just guess-work based on the accent of the pre-recorded voice. ? Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Jan 9 06:45:01 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 12:45:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hedgehogs In-Reply-To: References: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> <0DD950F4-6B3C-483E-8193-D8D461747A1F@me.com> <13f02162-bbf2-6661-4001-9dcd180957ca@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3768A2EA-3FF6-4433-B7F6-3C5751765F63@me.com> I worked on a hell of a lot of Children's programmes on OBs, both drama and entertainment shows for children. The two things that always seemed to be present, apart from the dedication and professionalism of all concerned was a sense of fun and a feeling of being involved. Production teams were usually keen to receive input from the crew, not just relating to our particular disciplines, but also regarding more general matters. The first time I ever had one of my jokes televised was on a Playaway when Brian Cant said that he didn't feel a particular joke was working and eagerly accepted an alternative suggestion using the same set and props. Working with the team on Grange Hill and especially with Albert was always a delight. From time to time I would come up with untried ideas for dealing with certain challenges and was given free reign to try them out. Fortunately the ideas usually proved to have some merit and the lessons I learned could be employed more effectively on 'serious' dramas, where an untried idea might not be tolerated. While honing my skills, I especially appreciated the way that Grange Hill was turned round quite quickly. As the series progressed, we were catching up with ourselves to a certain extent and the lest episode of a block might be edited, dubbed and transmitted just a few weeks after the original recording. Watching the transmissions at home meant that all the work involved in reaching that point was still fresh in my mind and I could assess what worked well and what should be done differently. My kids used to take the piss out of me because when I watched my shows I always had a hard bound notebook and would add retrospective observations to the notes I made while we were shooting that show. There are a lot of TV show fan sites on the internet, but it's very telling that the shows I worked on which most prominently feature on fan sites are children's shows. It's rather gratifying to see adults still fondly talking about shows we made when they were children thirty or forty years ago. I always used to think that our work was disappointingly ephemeral, but all manner of things have ended up on YouTube or still live on in people's memories. Alan Taylor On 9 Jan 2021, at 9 Jan . 11:34, Albert Barber wrote: > Dear All > I haven?t previously entered into this posting but just have to say I worked in Childrens? programmes on a variety of programmes including Play School and Grange Hill. > In all respects the basic element with all staff from Designers to the tea ladies was TEAM and fun. > Some of you I have worked with are on this posting and I have the highest respect for. > I very very rarely found anyone below professional and joining in on making the product better than they found it despite the department, scripts or Directors it came from. > > As a Director and Producer I feel now that we had no idea we were all trying and indeed making history and excellence. > I went to a number of International conferences whilst in Childrens? Programmes and found that we were the best. > > Thankyou > > >> On 8 Jan 2021, at 23:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I did a PSC shoot at St. Tiggywinkles with Thora Hird as part of her 'Praise Be' series. From small beginnings Les Cocker has managed to build a real pet hospital and good luck to him! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 08/01/2021 15:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> I don?t think it was a true educational programme, but a little show which I always enjoyed working on in the 80s was The Caterpillar Trail. It was a natural history show for young kids. Sometimes the presenter was a very young Chris Packham, with punk style spiky hair, but there were other presenters too and every one of then was great to work with and the shows themselves were always interesting. >>> >>> One bizarre moment was when we went to visit Les Stocker at his home, where in his garden he had built the first hedgehog hospital - St Tiggywinkles. The opening sequence had been scripted in advance. We set up in the road outside his house ... The presenter said ?This may look like a normal suburban road, but there is something amazing here?. >>> >>> I pointed out that on the other side of the road, one house had a fifteen foot Dalek parked on it?s drive. The director explained that the Dalek was nothing to do with the hedgehog hospital, but I said that if you were being told that there is something amazing in this quite ordinary road and the shot included a bloody great big Dalek, a viewer might reasonably suppose that the story was going to be about gigantic Daleks. >>> >>> Reluctantly, the director decided to reposition, we pointed the camera in the other direction and re-recorded the scripted introduction. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jan 9 07:00:09 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 13:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hedgehogs In-Reply-To: <13f02162-bbf2-6661-4001-9dcd180957ca@btinternet.com> References: <1adf1e0b.23b2e.176e26b360c.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> <0DD950F4-6B3C-483E-8193-D8D461747A1F@me.com> <13f02162-bbf2-6661-4001-9dcd180957ca@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ff9a8d9.1c69fb81.3cd1f.e003@mx.google.com> How lovely that one of Beatrix Potter?s characters was used for the hedgehog hospital. My favourite of the books was ?The Tailor of Gloucester?. Friends adopted a cat which had been abandoned, and thinking of a name for him, wanted to call it ?Benin? as their daughter was working on a mercy hospital ship at that country. They asked me what was the name of the cat in ?Gloucester?. That was Simkin, so a combination resulted in Benkin! A lovely creature, and very gentle. (pic attached) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 08 January 2021 23:28 To: Alan Taylor; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hedgehogs I did a PSC shoot at St. Tiggywinkles with Thora Hird as part of her 'Praise Be' series. From small beginnings Les Cocker has managed to build a real pet hospital and good luck to him! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In article <4e505b7f-4092-1219-f10e-3626bcc9a6c2 at btinternet.com>, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Over the last couple of days I've had dialogue with BT over potential > cancellation of a little-used secondary email address. Some 40 minutes > of rational help came from a Liverpool-based BT call-centre that > straightened out other issues too. > Since then, I've had 3 'overseas calls' purporting to be from BT, all > pre-recorded and beginning 'Hi', threatening disconnection unless... > etc. etc. I'm sure BT would have these taken down if they could, but > the Action Fraud online questionnaire required details that were only > available had I engaged with the caller. As I didn't do that, all I had > was the incoming call phone no. - amazingly not 'withheld'. > Has any one found a way of readily just reporting the scam originator's > number? > Hugh -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 09:41:14 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 15:41:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale Message-ID: My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12.? We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So sad Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12.? We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Jan 9 12:39:35 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 18:39:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> Sadly missed, think of him often. Dear Peter. Are you a three wheel car enthusiast too? Albert > On 9 Jan 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? > > I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! > The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. > I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. > A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. > So sad > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale > > My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. > > Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 > > B > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jan 9 13:06:45 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 19:06:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ff9fec5.1c69fb81.14c1a.7304@mx.google.com> No to 3 wheels, but five years after I left, I went back and had tea in the LG canteen with Pete and others. He was very down, and said that he wished he?d done what I had, and left the BBC at that time. However he carved out a niche for himself with ARS. So good for him. When ARS came to Dorking, near me, Trevor Webster and I took him out to supper. It was a wrench to go to his funeral. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Albert Barber Sent: 09 January 2021 18:39 To: patheigham; patheigham via Tech1 Cc: A Barber; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale Sadly missed, think of him often. Dear Peter. Are you a three wheel car enthusiast too? Albert -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 13:27:17 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 19:27:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That's her selling it B On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: > Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? > > > > I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually > put to auction, so a result! > > The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. > Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get > to see if it happens. > > I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and > knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the > scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, > between set ups. > > A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. > > So sad > > Pat > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *09 January 2021 15:41 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Comic sale > > > > My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around > 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. > > Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out > to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - > > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 > > B > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-7763147555452038997_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 9 14:41:40 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 20:41:40 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Peter & I were on the same Evesham TO course (TO 15) and from first joining and throughout my time at the Beeb I never met a more even tempered out-and-out nice guy than he was. I finished up in Somerset well after he moved to Bristol and I so regret not having made it up to the studios there to say hello again. It was after the event that I learned of his passing which told me there?s never as much time left as one thinks to attend to the important things. Like Pat, I and pretty much everyone else in Tech Ops addressed him and referred to him as ?Pete? but I know he didn?t really like that, a fact that Albert seems to be aware of. Odd how different we all are ? many view name contractions as being a feature of close friendships, others feel quite the opposite. Peter or Pete, he was great at his job in a completely unpretentious way and is quite rightly missed by many. There is a photo in the archive of him sitting beside Dave Plowman whilst tweaking a rotary fader. By an odd coincidence he was also sitting beside him in the front row of the TO 15 photo. Yours truly in the back row in the pale shirt. I?m almost 4 inches shorter now! Dave Newbitt. From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 6:39 PM To: patheigham ; patheigham via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale Sadly missed, think of him often. Dear Peter. Are you a three wheel car enthusiast too? Albert On 9 Jan 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. So sad Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. 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Name: TO15%20edit%202a%20detail[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74328 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Jan 9 15:59:17 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 21:59:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale - Antiques Road Show. In-Reply-To: <5ff9fec5.1c69fb81.14c1a.7304@mx.google.com> References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com>, <5ff9fec5.1c69fb81.14c1a.7304@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Pat, I?m thinking you might have a collection of old magazines that might be worth something if I remember right. Did you ever manage to find the missing editions? Antiques Road Trip versus Antiques Roadshow: What?s good about the latter is that you get to learn something about the items that punters bring to the show. Road Trip seems to be mainly about the money. I know which I prefer. Pete Rose was one of the people I was most sorry to leave behind when I left. I did later have the sheer good fortune to do a number of PSC support days alongside him on ARS, and when Production decided to do a couple of shows as a de-rig (no truck), on three trolleys, production, vision, and sound (me plus two of his regular sound crew), he was most supportive - even though what we were doing wasn?t in his best interests. ISTR it was three x DigiBeta, directed over talkback, but no vision mix. As it happens it was fairly shambolic, so the truck won the day! [cid:589F018A-5512-4F54-966B-D904E57567B6] This one was in a semi-derelict Victorian public baths in Liverpool. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 9 Jan 2021, at 19:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? No to 3 wheels, but five years after I left, I went back and had tea in the LG canteen with Pete and others. He was very down, and said that he wished he?d done what I had, and left the BBC at that time. However he carved out a niche for himself with ARS. So good for him. When ARS came to Dorking, near me, Trevor Webster and I took him out to supper. It was a wrench to go to his funeral. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Albert Barber Sent: 09 January 2021 18:39 To: patheigham; patheigham via Tech1 Cc: A Barber; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale Sadly missed, think of him often. Dear Peter. Are you a three wheel car enthusiast too? Albert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1429904 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Jan 10 03:13:48 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 09:13:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Michael Apted Message-ID: It was sad to hear of the passing of Michael Apted on Thursday. He directed some films and dramas for the BBC, but he was better known for a great body of work for independent television and movies. The work which I most associate with him is the ? .... Up? series, where an assortment of children were interviewed at age seven and then re-interviewed every seven years since. Those shows formed a fascinating account of life evolving in the UK and viewers got an insight about how the lives of those individuals progressed. The series started in 1964 with Seven Up, through to 2019 with 63 Up. Apted started out as a researcher on the first series, subsequently taking over the reigns himself. It could be argued that it was the first reality show on TV. Another contender might be BBC TVs 1974 series The Family, which was a very early fly on the wall documentary. Those two shows rise head and shoulders over what is referred to as reality television these days. While the series was intended to portray those lives developing over the years, the show itself evolved too. It was initially intended to illustrate how class determines children?s destiny, but morphed into a much more personal and nuanced story about those individuals. Remarkably for a British TV series, it has been parodied abroad, most famously in The Simpsons, with an episode called Springfield Up, which was shot in a similar style. Alan Taylor From geoffletch at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 05:12:28 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:12:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes , Peter Rose was one of the best. I knew him from my flat days in Ealing when Hibou and he used to visit for coffee and so on. I was a cameras guy but remembered him well and when ARS came to Somerleyton Hall in Norfolk I too knocked on the scanner door and said hello. I was pleasantly surprised to find that he actually remembered me also, and he was as affable as ever. As others have observed - sadly missed. Geoff F On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 20:42, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Peter & I were on the same Evesham TO course (TO 15) and from first > joining and throughout my time at the Beeb I never met a more even tempered > out-and-out nice guy than he was. I finished up in Somerset well after he > moved to Bristol and I so regret not having made it up to the studios there > to say hello again. It was after the event that I learned of his passing > which told me there?s never as much time left as one thinks to attend to > the important things. > > Like Pat, I and pretty much everyone else in Tech Ops addressed him and > referred to him as ?Pete? but I know he didn?t really like that, a fact > that Albert seems to be aware of. Odd how different we all are ? many view > name contractions as being a feature of close friendships, others feel > quite the opposite. Peter or Pete, he was great at his job in a completely > unpretentious way and is quite rightly missed by many. > > There is a photo in the archive of him sitting beside Dave Plowman whilst > tweaking a rotary fader. By an odd coincidence he was also sitting beside > him in the front row of the TO 15 photo. > > [image: Pete Rose and Angus Plowman] > > [image: TO15 edit 2a detail] Yours truly in the back row in the pale > shirt. I?m almost 4 inches shorter now! > > Dave Newbitt. > > *From:* Albert Barber via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2021 6:39 PM > *To:* patheigham ; patheigham via Tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Comic sale > > Sadly missed, think of him often. Dear Peter. Are you a three wheel car > enthusiast too? > Albert > > > On 9 Jan 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? > > I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually > put to auction, so a result! > The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. > Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get > to see if it happens. > I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and > knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the > scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, > between set ups. > A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. > So sad > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *09 January 2021 15:41 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Comic sale > > > My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around > 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. > > Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out > to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - > > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 > > B > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TO15%20edit%202a%20detail[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74328 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pete%20Rose%20and%20Angus%20Plowman[5].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98944 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 06:09:03 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:09:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58ec9e8696davesound@btinternet.com> ISTR Peter shared a flat in Ealing with John Howell, Chris Wilden and a cameraman called Mac? Sorry not to remember the full names of everyone - and if I've spelt any wrong. We're talking near 60 years ago. Peter was not only a really nice guy, but just downright extremely competent at anything he did. Much missed. In article , Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Yes , Peter Rose was one of the best. I knew him from my flat days in > Ealing when Hibou and he used to visit for coffee and so on. I was a > cameras guy but remembered him well and when ARS came to Somerleyton Hall > in Norfolk I too knocked on the scanner door and said hello. > I was pleasantly surprised to find that he actually remembered me also, and > he was as affable as ever. As others have observed - sadly missed. > Geoff F -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 10:30:39 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:30:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Michael Apted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91bb3df7-def7-1a1a-be66-4c20e590118a@gmail.com> Hi all, On 10/01/2021 09:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Another contender might be BBC TVs 1974 series The Family, which was a very early fly on the wall documentary. Those two shows rise head and shoulders over what is referred to as reality television these days. Well well!? In 1974 I was teaching at Ashmead Secondary School, Reading? (boys only), which was right in the middle of the Council estate where the Wilkins lived. Although none of the (male) kids were at Ashmead School when the filming was taking place,? we teachers were fully appraised of the situation (that is, that a family on the estate was being filmed) so that we would be prepared for any problems with any of the boys actually in the school at the time.? In the event, nothing happened at the school. The council estate was on one side of the Basingstoke Road.? On the other was the Gillette factory.. Later, I wrote a number of computer programmes to help with the administration of the CSE (and other) exams - all in BASIC running on the school's Research Machines 380Zs? (we did have a couple of BBC Bs and a VIC 20 - the only colour PC at the time!).? Rashly one day I ran a programme to list the kids by street address: by this time, the council estate had become the "sink" council estate for the whole of Reading - and there were definitely some streets that you would not want to walk down at night.??? Interestingly, the thieves and burglars used to rob each other's houses ... Here is a photo of the Wilkins family from 1974 from "The Reading Chronicle" - copyright BBC! BTW, An anagram of "ASHMEAD" is ASHAMED.? After I had left teaching to move into IT, the school fell down (not a consequence, I hasten to add -? it was poor quality concrete!).? Out of the ruins was later built the John Madejski Academy (the same Madjeski as in the Mad Stad for Reading Football Club, just down the road).? Since 2012, the Ofsted report has said? "inadequate" twice and "Requires Improvement" three times ... Best regards -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ldljihndkbdhgadk.png Type: image/png Size: 797492 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 12:26:44 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:26:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Have faith...... Message-ID: <21c14ced-4a9d-6efb-22e5-0ae0095e5d89@btinternet.com> There's hope for us all! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pfizer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 10 16:37:23 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:37:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Have faith...... In-Reply-To: <21c14ced-4a9d-6efb-22e5-0ae0095e5d89@btinternet.com> References: <21c14ced-4a9d-6efb-22e5-0ae0095e5d89@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Have any of you lot ever tried Viagra? I?m asking on behalf of a friend. ?? ;-) Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 10 Jan 2021, at 18:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ?There's hope for us all! Cheers, Dave [cid:0988FF56-9F10-49F7-9612-77C7959B283B]-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pfizer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35306 bytes Desc: Pfizer.jpg URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Jan 10 16:49:47 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:49:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Have faith...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a friend who swears by Cialis, don't know if that is the same? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Have any of you lot ever tried Viagra? I?m asking on behalf of a friend. > ?? ;-) > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 10 Jan 2021, at 18:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?There's hope for us all! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 17:32:35 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 23:32:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4259fe62-14e6-0c6f-aacc-2f922bde796c@btinternet.com> I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > That's her selling it > > B > > On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, > wrote: > > Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? > > I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are > actually put to auction, so a result! > > The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that > far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, > but we never get to see if it happens. > > I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at > Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went > and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had > spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. > > A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. > > So sad > > Pat > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *09 January 2021 15:41 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Comic sale > > My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12.? We've had > around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now > she's selling. > > Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has > turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime > to bid - > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 > > > B > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#m_-7763147555452038997_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 10 17:52:14 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 23:52:14 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <4259fe62-14e6-0c6f-aacc-2f922bde796c@btinternet.com> References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <4259fe62-14e6-0c6f-aacc-2f922bde796c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: That's her selling it B On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. So sad Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 B ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 17:53:16 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 23:53:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pete Rose In-Reply-To: References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: As you say, one of the best. I have told this story many times but when an advert appeared on the TVC sound notice board for an SS vacancy all of us on the current sound training course were interested. The advert stated that the applicant should have completed the sound training course. Peter hadn't seen the advert until I told him about it. Anyway, he got the job! He always reminded me that the advert stated 'should' have completed the course not 'MUST' have! The rest is history. he transferred to Bristol ( the favourite region for escapees from TVC) and eventually became ordained in the Catholic church as a lay preacher in the area around Wick St. Lawrence where Clive Potter and Jill Dando are buried, and where my son lived for a while. He did live in West Ealing with John Howell and Bob McFarland (who sadly died from melonoma far too early). After a 'hard' day in TVC we used to descend on their flat for a coffee but Bob wasn't too impressed by the invasion! However, I loved the sound of John's Hi-fi so much so that I built the same kits from the London hi-fi stores and Wireless World which I still have!? Cheers, Dave On 10/01/2021 11:12, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Yes , Peter Rose was one of the best. I knew him from my flat days in > Ealing when ?Hibou and he used to visit for coffee and so on. I was a > cameras guy but remembered him well and when ARS came to Somerleyton > Hall in Norfolk I too knocked on the scanner door and said hello. > I was pleasantly surprised to find that he actually remembered me > also, and he was as affable as ever. As others have observed - sadly > missed. > Geoff F > On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 at 20:42, David Newbitt via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Peter & I were on the same Evesham TO course (TO 15) and from > first joining and throughout my time at the Beeb I never met a > more even tempered out-and-out nice guy than he was. I finished up > in Somerset well after he moved to Bristol and I so regret not > having made it up to the studios there to say hello again. It was > after the event that I learned of his passing which told me > there?s never as much time left as one thinks to attend to the > important things. > Like Pat, I and pretty much everyone else in Tech Ops addressed > him and referred to him as ?Pete? but I know he didn?t really like > that, a fact that Albert seems to be aware of. Odd how different > we all are ? many view name contractions as being a feature of > close friendships, others feel quite the opposite. Peter or Pete, > he was great at his job in a completely unpretentious way and is > quite rightly missed by many. > There is a photo in the archive of him sitting beside Dave Plowman > whilst tweaking a rotary fader. By an odd coincidence he was also > sitting beside him in the front row of the TO 15 photo. > Pete Rose and Angus Plowman > TO15 edit 2a detail? Yours truly in the back row in the pale > shirt. I?m almost 4 inches shorter now! > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Albert Barber via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2021 6:39 PM > *To:* patheigham ; patheigham via Tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Comic sale > Sadly missed, think of him often. Dear Peter. Are you a three > wheel car enthusiast too? > Albert >> On 9 Jan 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are >> actually put to auction, so a result! >> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets >> that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation >> figure, but we never get to see if it happens. >> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at >> Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went >> and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and >> had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. >> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >> So sad >> Pat >> Sent fromMail for >> Windows 10 >> *From:*Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> *Sent:*09 January 2021 15:41 >> *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:*[Tech1] Comic sale >> >> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12.? We've >> had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. >> Now she's selling. >> >> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has >> turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime >> to bid - >> >> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Mon Jan 11 01:43:37 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 07:43:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Have faith...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill?the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the redpill?you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.? Cialis is also good for Benign P rostatic Hyperplasia So a friend told me Peter Fox On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:50, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ?I have a friend who swears by Cialis, don't know if that is the same? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:37, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Have any of you lot ever tried Viagra? I?m asking on behalf of a friend. > ?? ;-) > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 10 Jan 2021, at 18:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?There's hope for us all! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 05:02:22 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:02:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <4259fe62-14e6-0c6f-aacc-2f922bde796c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could.? I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Still time to bid, folks. B On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: > Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the > Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in > publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of > Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy > whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and > Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM > *To:* Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Comic sale > > I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school > (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano > and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could > afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped > that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never > did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love > letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made > a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave > > On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> That's her selling it >> B >> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: >> >> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >> >> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are >> actually put to auction, so a result! >> >> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets >> that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation >> figure, but we never get to see if it happens. >> >> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at >> Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went >> and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and >> had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. >> >> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >> >> So sad >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> *Sent: *09 January 2021 15:41 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *[Tech1] Comic sale >> >> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12.? We've >> had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. >> Now she's selling. >> >> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has >> turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime >> to bid - >> >> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Jan 11 05:30:30 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:30:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <4259fe62-14e6-0c6f-aacc-2f922bde796c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3FCD8ADA-0669-4242-97D8-E43604560EBB@me.com> I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some clout with her. I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - 'Balsa Models', 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. Were there others? I've never seen any if there were. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. > > Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 > > Still time to bid, folks. > > B > > > > On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: >> Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <> >> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM >> To: Bernard Newnham <> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale >> >> I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> That's her selling it >>> >>> B >>> >>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, > wrote: >>> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >>> >>> >>> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! >>> >>> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. >>> >>> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. >>> >>> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >>> >>> So sad >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <> >>> Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>> Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale >>> >>> >>> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. >>> >>> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - >>> >>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 11 06:29:52 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:29:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <3FCD8ADA-0669-4242-97D8-E43604560EBB@me.com> References: <3FCD8ADA-0669-4242-97D8-E43604560EBB@me.com> Message-ID: I?m guessing that you chaps weren?t at boarding school? Where I was, I know I would have read them all, but never had the money to actually buy any. They were always there, bought by kids who could afford them, and eagerly anticipated. But I think they got passed around the school until they fell to bits - making your copies more rare! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some clout with her. I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - 'Balsa Models', 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. Were there others? I've never seen any if there were. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Still time to bid, folks. B On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: That's her selling it B On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. So sad Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. 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URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Jan 11 05:38:14 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:38:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <3FCD8ADA-0669-4242-97D8-E43604560EBB@me.com> References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <4259fe62-14e6-0c6f-aacc-2f922bde796c@btinternet.com> <3FCD8ADA-0669-4242-97D8-E43604560EBB@me.com> Message-ID: <61F4B199-C8F7-4EC0-B209-129DE34A0783@btinternet.com> > On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:30, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some clout with her. > > I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - 'Balsa Models', 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. Were there others? I've never seen any if there were. > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > >> On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. >> >> Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >> >> Still time to bid, folks. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: >>> Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM >>> To: Bernard Newnham <> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale >>> >>> I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave >>> On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> That's her selling it >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, > wrote: >>>> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >>>> >>>> >>>> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! >>>> >>>> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. >>>> >>>> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. >>>> >>>> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >>>> >>>> So sad >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <> >>>> Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale >>>> >>>> >>>> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. >>>> >>>> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. 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I've never seen any if there were. > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > >> On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. >> >> Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >> >> Still time to bid, folks. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: >>> Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM >>> To: Bernard Newnham <> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale >>> >>> I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave >>> On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> That's her selling it >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, > wrote: >>>> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >>>> >>>> >>>> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! >>>> >>>> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. >>>> >>>> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. >>>> >>>> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >>>> >>>> So sad >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <> >>>> Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale >>>> >>>> >>>> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. >>>> >>>> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. 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I put my foot down in the dark for my shoes and paddled to the front door, found a torch and went across to a friend with lights on (11.45) they phoned my daughter. They both came with torches and wellies, woke Barrie, collected me and took us to their house 15 mins by car. We have been there ever since but finally came home on Christmas Eve. All our furniture was either chucked or taken for restoration,it?s coming back on Wednesday. We are waiting for new sofa and chairs, supposed to be beginning Feb! All our things are in packing cases hence no address book therefore no Christmas cards. To crown it all Barrie was diagnosed with Altzheimers in the first week of the first lockdown. He had a scan and it was confirmed on the phone which didn?t help. I had suspected it was beginning but hoped it wasn?t. It?s mainly memory so far but not being home hasn?t helped and he also had a fall the first week at Sarah?s so a visit to A & E. We are both very happy to be home again with our new carpets, curtains, doors and decorations but will be better when our new sofa and tip-up chairs arrive! I was going to send explanations to the Christmas card list when I finally get my address book, they will all think we?ve died. Hope you are both well and not yet round the bend Margaret and Barrie'. All very traumatic! Cheers, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:03:19 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:03:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: References: <3FCD8ADA-0669-4242-97D8-E43604560EBB@me.com> Message-ID: <35f593c5-351e-92e2-b745-baddbfe20c00@gmail.com> Eagle cost 4?d and Dandy cost 3d. Don't know what the Beano cost because I can't find one on ebay. I think my parents approved of Eagle and thought that the Beano etc were just for downmarket kids.? This from a flat with two rooms for six people - still, their intentions were good. B On 11/01/2021 12:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I?m guessing that you chaps weren?t at boarding school? Where I was, I > know I would have read them all, but never had the money to actually > buy any. They were always there, bought by kids who could afford them, > and eagerly anticipated. But I think they got passed around the school > until they fell to bits - making your copies more rare! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a >> snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That >> carried some clout with her. >> >> I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - ?'Balsa Models', >> 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. ?Were there others? ?I've never >> seen any if there were. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* >> / >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could.? I kept >>> them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring >>> me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and >>> hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our >>> flat. >>> >>> Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the >>> time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I >>> now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole >>> set aren't worth as much as her one comic - >>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >>> >>> >>> Still time to bid, folks. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: >>>> Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the >>>> Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in >>>> publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved >>>> of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy >>>> whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and >>>> Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM >>>> *To:* Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Comic sale >>>> >>>> I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school >>>> (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano >>>> and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could >>>> afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped >>>> that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it >>>> never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all >>>> my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I >>>> could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> That's her selling it >>>>> B >>>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles >>>>> are actually put to auction, so a result! >>>>> >>>>> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets >>>>> that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation >>>>> figure, but we never get to see if it happens. >>>>> >>>>> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at >>>>> Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I >>>>> went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he >>>>> was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. >>>>> >>>>> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >>>>> >>>>> So sad >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail >>>>> for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>>> *Sent: *09 January 2021 15:41 >>>>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Comic sale >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've >>>>> had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. >>>>> Now she's selling. >>>>> >>>>> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has >>>>> turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week >>>>> sometime to bid - >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Avast logo >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>>> software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:13:38 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:13:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <35f593c5-351e-92e2-b745-baddbfe20c00@gmail.com> References: <3FCD8ADA-0669-4242-97D8-E43604560EBB@me.com> <35f593c5-351e-92e2-b745-baddbfe20c00@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think Beano and Dandy were both 2d when the Eagle began in 1950. Rose to 3d at the start of the 60s. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 4:03 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale Eagle cost 4?d and Dandy cost 3d. Don't know what the Beano cost because I can't find one on ebay. I think my parents approved of Eagle and thought that the Beano etc were just for downmarket kids. This from a flat with two rooms for six people - still, their intentions were good. B On 11/01/2021 12:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: I?m guessing that you chaps weren?t at boarding school? Where I was, I know I would have read them all, but never had the money to actually buy any. They were always there, bought by kids who could afford them, and eagerly anticipated. But I think they got passed around the school until they fell to bits - making your copies more rare! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: ? I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some clout with her. I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - 'Balsa Models', 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. Were there others? I've never seen any if there were. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Still time to bid, folks. B On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: That's her selling it B On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. So sad Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Jan 11 10:59:12 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:59:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <35f593c5-351e-92e2-b745-baddbfe20c00@gmail.com> References: <35f593c5-351e-92e2-b745-baddbfe20c00@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9BDFBAE0-9D6C-4430-AB3E-14D4385A4414@icloud.com> IIRC Beano and Dandy were the same price. I ended up working for their publisher as D C Thompson was one of the shareholders in Southern TV. Graeme Wall > On 11 Jan 2021, at 16:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Eagle cost 4?d and Dandy cost 3d. Don't know what the Beano cost because I can't find one on ebay. > > I think my parents approved of Eagle and thought that the Beano etc were just for downmarket kids. This from a flat with two rooms for six people - still, their intentions were good. > > B > > > > On 11/01/2021 12:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m guessing that you chaps weren?t at boarding school? Where I was, I know I would have read them all, but never had the money to actually buy any. They were always there, bought by kids who could afford them, and eagerly anticipated. But I think they got passed around the school until they fell to bits - making your copies more rare! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some clout with her. >>> >>> I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - 'Balsa Models', 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. Were there others? I've never seen any if there were. >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> alawrance1 at me.com >>> >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. >>>> >>>> Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >>>> >>>> Still time to bid, folks. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: >>>>> Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. >>>>> >>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>> >>>>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM >>>>> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale >>>>> >>>>> I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave >>>>> >>>>> On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> That's her selling it >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: >>>>>>> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So sad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>>>>> Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 >>>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Jan 11 11:37:07 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:37:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <35f593c5-351e-92e2-b745-baddbfe20c00@gmail.com> References: <35f593c5-351e-92e2-b745-baddbfe20c00@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DD1FF25-594F-4879-AF48-4FBDC875DA49@me.com> My little bit of comic treasure is a complete set of Action comics from the 1970s, which i rescued from my younger when they were going to be chucked in the bin I have never read them or had any interest in them, but vaguely knew of them. They are of interest in the comic world, partly because of their notoriety and partly because of what their artists went on to do. It was considered a very violent magazine, but of course that might have been part of the appeal to boys of a certain age. There was quite a furore about it in the tabloid press at the time and it culminated with the editor doing a disastrous interview on BBC Nationwide, where he was totally crucified. He claims that he had been assured that it was going to be a nice friendly chat to set the record straight, but when the red light came on he was mercilessly stitched up. As a result, WH Smith refused to distribute it and they ceased publication. It later resurfaced in a rather neutered form, but no longer had the appeal it previously did and didn?t last long. Some of the artists who worked on Action comic went on to start the 2000 AD comics which became very successful and introduced the character Judge Dredd. I had pondered selling them about ten years ago, but heard whispers that somebody was pitching to do a TV documentary about the comic. I guessed that their value might suddenly increase if such a show were transmitted and raised awareness of the comic, but as far as I?m aware, the show never got made. Last time I checked, the value of the set in that condition was around ?600, but it fluctuates for no apparent reason and is probably less these days. They?ll remain in my loft for the foreseeable future. All Taylor > On 11 Jan 2021, at 16:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Eagle cost 4?d and Dandy cost 3d. Don't know what the Beano cost because I can't find one on ebay. > > I think my parents approved of Eagle and thought that the Beano etc were just for downmarket kids. This from a flat with two rooms for six people - still, their intentions were good. > > B > > > > On 11/01/2021 12:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m guessing that you chaps weren?t at boarding school? Where I was, I know I would have read them all, but never had the money to actually buy any. They were always there, bought by kids who could afford them, and eagerly anticipated. But I think they got passed around the school until they fell to bits - making your copies more rare! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some clout with her. >>> >>> I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - 'Balsa Models', 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. Were there others? I've never seen any if there were. >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> alawrance1 at me.com >>> >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. >>>> >>>> Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >>>> >>>> Still time to bid, folks. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: >>>>> Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. >>>>> >>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>> >>>>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM >>>>> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale >>>>> >>>>> I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave >>>>> >>>>> On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> That's her selling it >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: >>>>>>> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So sad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>>>>> Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 >>>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:41:41 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:41:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <2DD1FF25-594F-4879-AF48-4FBDC875DA49@me.com> References: <35f593c5-351e-92e2-b745-baddbfe20c00@gmail.com> <2DD1FF25-594F-4879-AF48-4FBDC875DA49@me.com> Message-ID: I once had several years of Eagle comics from issue 4 onwards. They were stored in a large cupboard in our spare room at home in Shropshire. I joined BBC TV in October 1963 and when I went home for Xmas my Mum had done a big tidy up and thrown all of them out! They would be worth a fair bit today. Geoff F On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 17:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > My little bit of comic treasure is a complete set of Action comics from > the 1970s, which i rescued from my younger when they were going to be > chucked in the bin I have never read them or had any interest in them, > but vaguely knew of them. They are of interest in the comic world, partly > because of their notoriety and partly because of what their artists went on > to do. > > It was considered a very violent magazine, but of course that might have > been part of the appeal to boys of a certain age. There was quite a furore > about it in the tabloid press at the time and it culminated with the editor > doing a disastrous interview on BBC Nationwide, where he was totally > crucified. He claims that he had been assured that it was going to be a > nice friendly chat to set the record straight, but when the red light came > on he was mercilessly stitched up. As a result, WH Smith refused to > distribute it and they ceased publication. It later resurfaced in a rather > neutered form, but no longer had the appeal it previously did and didn?t > last long. > > Some of the artists who worked on Action comic went on to start the 2000 > AD comics which became very successful and introduced the character Judge > Dredd. > > I had pondered selling them about ten years ago, but heard whispers that > somebody was pitching to do a TV documentary about the comic. I guessed > that their value might suddenly increase if such a show were transmitted > and raised awareness of the comic, but as far as I?m aware, the show never > got made. > > Last time I checked, the value of the set in that condition was around > ?600, but it fluctuates for no apparent reason and is probably less these > days. They?ll remain in my loft for the foreseeable future. > > All Taylor > > > > On 11 Jan 2021, at 16:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? Eagle cost 4?d and Dandy cost 3d. Don't know what the Beano cost > because I can't find one on ebay. > > > I think my parents approved of Eagle and thought that the Beano etc were > just for downmarket kids. This from a flat with two rooms for six people - > still, their intentions were good. > > B > > > > On 11/01/2021 12:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > I?m guessing that you chaps weren?t at boarding school? Where I was, I > know I would have read them all, but never had the money to actually buy > any. They were always there, bought by kids who could afford them, and > eagerly anticipated. But I think they got passed around the school until > they fell to bits - making your copies more rare! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob > and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some > clout with her. > > I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - 'Balsa Models', > 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. Were there others? I've never seen any > if there were. > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > *Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. * > > > > > > > > > > On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, > then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. > I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though > there really was very little room to do so in our flat. > > Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time > trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a > complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth > as much as her one comic - > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 > > > Still time to bid, folks. > > B > > > > On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: > > Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, > a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the > Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. > Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I > recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though > I?ve no idea why. > > Dave Newbitt. > > *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM > *To:* Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Comic sale > > > I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before > the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the > 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when > the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date > would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got > rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various > girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! > Cheers, Dave > On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > That's her selling it > > B > > On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: > >> Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? >> >> >> I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are >> actually put to auction, so a result! >> >> The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. >> Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get >> to see if it happens. >> >> I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and >> knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the >> scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, >> between set ups. >> >> A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. >> >> So sad >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> *Sent: *09 January 2021 15:41 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *[Tech1] Comic sale >> >> >> My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around >> 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. >> >> Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out >> to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - >> >> >> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> [image: Avast logo] >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> > > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Did they ever, c. 1960 say, have such a diagram of TV Centre? - and why not? luv< Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Albert Barber via Tech1" To: "Alasdair Lawrance" Cc: "Tech Ops List" Sent: Monday, 11 Jan, 21 At 11:41 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:30, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some clout with her. I have 10 of the annuals, and 4 of the Model books - 'Balsa Models', 'Cars', 'Spacecraft' and 'Boats'. Were there others? I've never seen any if there were. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: I read Eagle, though my father read it to me before I could. I kept them, then my mother would throw them away in batches, thus scarring me forever. I used to get some back out of the stringed up packs and hide them, though there really was very little room to do so in our flat. Much, much later, my wife was big on antique fairs, and I filled the time trapped there finding the Eagle Annuals that I didn't have. I now own a complete set from 1 to about 14, though probably the whole set aren't worth as much as her one comic - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Still time to bid, folks. B On 10/01/2021 23:52, David Newbitt wrote: Snap. I too had Beano and Dandy then Lion. My sister had the Schoolfriend, a sort of sister comic to Lion though it was in publication before the Lion. For some reason my parents disapproved of Eagle so I never had that. Seem to remember it being semi-glossy whereas the Lion was dull matt. I recall the content of Beano and Dandy more readily than the others though I?ve no idea why. Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:32 PM To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale I well remember the 'Eagle' comics when I was in primary school (before the 50's) and it was more expensive than my Dandy and Beano and then the 'Hotspur'. My best friend's dad owned a shop and could afford it but when the 'Lion' came out I got that instead and hoped that my birthday date would come up in their next issue but it never did! Sadly, my mother got rid of them all, together with all my 'love letters' to various girlfriends, I ever forgave her! I could have made a fortune by blackmail! Cheers, Dave On 09/01/2021 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: That's her selling it B On Sat, 9 Jan 2021, 18:32 patheigham, wrote: Wow! That?s amazing, Does she have that one to sell? I?m very fond of watching Antiques Road Trip, as the articles are actually put to auction, so a result! The Antiques Road Show with the lovely Fiona Bruce never gets that far. Too easy for the ?experts? to put a huge valuation figure, but we never get to see if it happens. I picked up a job to do a historical doc on Road Show, at Highclere, and knowing that Pete Rose was the usual mixer, I went and knocked on the scanner door. Sure enough, there he was and had spotted me on the cameras, between set ups. A number of us attended his funeral ? sadly, much too early. So sad Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2021 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale My wife Pauline collected comics when she was about 12. We've had around 300 of them stashed in the loft for about 40 years. Now she's selling. Here's one that cost a shilling or so in about 1966, that has turned out to be a bit special. You have till next week sometime to bid - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233844433410?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 B Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sad here?s not here to speak for himself. Dave Newbitt. From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 8:20 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale Cameraman called Mac...........could it be Bob McFarlane? TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Jan 11 14:39:38 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:39:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <13A7753B-01D5-4611-8578-2F3345DFA46C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <830e8945-c25c-da5d-ccd3-0d73bf71eafa@btinternet.com> Yes, sadly died early from Melanoma from his boating days, too much sun. 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I believe it was - sadly taken from us at a young age. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 11 18:39:34 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 00:39:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Admin In-Reply-To: <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630@gmail.com> References: <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58ed67137bdavesound@btinternet.com> In article <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630 at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Please stop forwarding the spread from Eagle. It was oversized when > Albert sent it the first time. I tend to delete oversized mails on my server, so don't even read them. I forget how many comic ones this was, but quite a few. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 12 04:56:49 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:56:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Admin In-Reply-To: <58ed67137bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630@gmail.com> <58ed67137bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Sorry Chaps > On 12 Jan 2021, at 00:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630 at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> Please stop forwarding the spread from Eagle. It was oversized when >> Albert sent it the first time. > > I tend to delete oversized mails on my server, so don't even read them. I > forget how many comic ones this was, but quite a few. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 05:10:11 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:10:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Admin In-Reply-To: References: <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630@gmail.com> <58ed67137bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Perhaps an exception should be allowed sometimes. I was pleased that this image was large enough for me to be able to read the smallest text. It's sometimes frustrating if one cannot do that. KW On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 10:57, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > Sorry Chaps > > > On 12 Jan 2021, at 00:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > In article <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630 at gmail.com>, > > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > >> Please stop forwarding the spread from Eagle. It was oversized when > >> Albert sent it the first time. > > > > I tend to delete oversized mails on my server, so don't even read them. I > > forget how many comic ones this was, but quite a few. > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's sometimes frustrating if one cannot do that. > KW > > >> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 10:57, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> Sorry Chaps >> >> > On 12 Jan 2021, at 00:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > In article <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630 at gmail.com>, >> > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Please stop forwarding the spread from Eagle. It was oversized when >> >> Albert sent it the first time. >> > >> > I tend to delete oversized mails on my server, so don't even read them. I >> > forget how many comic ones this was, but quite a few. >> > >> > -- >> > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Jan 12 06:42:08 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:42:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Admin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58eda93a2adavesound@btinternet.com> Lots simply scan things at maximum resolution. Regardless of the material. Same with pics from a phone etc - although that can be more tricky to alter at source. But I think Bernie was complaining more about people re-posting the entire thing they're commenting on. In article , Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > I was confused at first but realised Bernie was referring to the file > size not the size of the spread. It might have been possible to reduce > the file size without reducing the spread size or detriment to the > readability. I?ve had issues myself like that when circulating > illustrated newsletters to a local interest group and a friend has > reduced them successfully for me to avoid the problem of overloading the > system, Geoff -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 12 06:46:51 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:46:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Admin In-Reply-To: <58eda93a2adavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58eda93a2adavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ffd9a3b.1c69fb81.7d8ff.afdb@mx.google.com> I think it was attached as a picture, rather than a PDF, which results in a much smaller file. In general, I agree with Dave, there?s no need to repost the whole message. Another forum I attend, asks members not to do this but edit the original for salient points. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 12 January 2021 12:42 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Admin But I think Bernie was complaining more about people re-posting the entire thing they're commenting on. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 06:52:11 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:52:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Admin In-Reply-To: References: <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630@gmail.com> <58ed67137bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: It was an exception, and as it was just over the limit and also relevant I went into Mailman on the hosting system and allowed it. I get an email from the system every time someone posts over the limit, which is fine. But several times in a day is a bit boring. The limit is set by me, in order not to block up the broadband of those running at 2Mb/s. B On 12/01/2021 11:10, Keith Wicks wrote: > Perhaps an exception should be allowed sometimes. I was pleased that > this image was large enough for me to be able to read the smallest > text. It's sometimes frustrating if one cannot do that. > KW > > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 10:57, Albert Barber via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Sorry Chaps > > > On 12 Jan 2021, at 00:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > In article <3e7d3da0-6bb4-be5c-ea14-85681d813630 at gmail.com > >, > >? ?Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Please stop forwarding the spread from Eagle. It was oversized > when > >> Albert sent it the first time. > > > > I tend to delete oversized mails on my server, so don't even > read them. I > > forget how many comic ones this was, but quite a few. > > > > -- > >? ? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk > ? ?London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 07:13:51 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:13:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 Message-ID: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same sequence and I've been trying to remember how it went. Please help if you can. I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case Jack Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart and a tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, like we had to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a locked off 12x9 map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to the Today board on another camera (or did the first camera reposition OOV with him)? He then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with the camera panning across( I can't remember doing a crab). When it got down to the last minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a finger on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up time. Following the "Goodnight" I think it ended with another 12x9 summary map but can't be sure about that. I'm hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara Edwards as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when the weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the window to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the vidicons. I think he retired in the mid sixties, Geoff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 39. BBC Weather in Pres A circa 1970.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 724363 bytes Desc: not available URL: From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Tue Jan 12 07:20:58 2021 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:20:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is this allowed? References: <13C386CA-5D01-499C-AEFD-55E62B5A3CC2.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <13C386CA-5D01-499C-AEFD-55E62B5A3CC2@sky.com> It is time to sell my Sony HVR A1E DV camcorder. It has two large Sony batteries a Sony screw on wide angle lens and is in good working condition. I know tape is an old format now but it produces really good HD video . Used only minimally as a locked off camera backup and a couple of holidays. Contact me direct if at all interested. barry-wilkinson at sky.com Please delete if not allowed Bernie. Sent from my iPad From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 07:29:35 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:29:35 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75AFDDFF30FE4AE684E670B97D056AD4@0023242e4e14> Here?s the earliest example I can find, from 1973. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JnF1XMTkLE From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:13 PM To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same sequence and I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if you can. I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case Jack Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart and a tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, like we had to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a locked off 12x9 map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to the Today board on another camera (or did the first camera reposition OOV with him)? He then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with the camera panning across( I can?t remember doing a crab). When it got down to the last minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a finger on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up time. Following the ?Goodnight? I think it ended with another 12x9 summary map but can?t be sure about that. I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara Edwards as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when the weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the window to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the vidicons. I think he retired in the mid sixties, Geoff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 12 07:39:50 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:39:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Long time ago! I don?t think there was ever a set sequence. If you started on the Atlantic the Weatherman might walk into a MLS (including whole chart) on the left England chart and then pan him to the next one and end on the 12x9. There are a number of combinations but the main hazard was crossing the line by leaving on one side and coming in on the other, not that it mattered in doing the weather. I did it on just one camera once and tracked the camera across all three charts. Tricky for cameraman to avoid shooting off. The lighting had to be re-rigged too. Only did it once. Radio Mics were used. Timing was crude as in the other person in the photo, the AFM or PA, would point a finger on the clock segment to indicate the out time. Had a lot of fun in Pres A AB > On 12 Jan 2021, at 13:13, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same sequence and I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if you can. > > I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case Jack Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart and a tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, like we had to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a locked off 12x9 map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to the Today board on another camera (or did the first camera reposition OOV with him)? He then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with the camera panning across( I can?t remember doing a crab). When it got down to the last minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a finger on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up time. Following the ?Goodnight? I think it ended with another 12x9 summary map but can?t be sure about that. > > I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. > > Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara Edwards as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when the weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the window to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the vidicons. I think he retired in the mid sixties, > > Geoff > > <39. BBC Weather in Pres A circa 1970.jpg>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armoor.farm at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 08:31:43 2021 From: armoor.farm at gmail.com (Ian Norman) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 14:31:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> Dear Geoff, Good afternoon. As I remember, it was a static locked off camera on the isobar chart, then the satellite image (optional). Followed by the today chart and pan with walk to the tomorrow chart. Below is a brief clip from 1981, after the new paint colour. https://tech-ops.armoor.co.uk/weather.mp4 Was the Ian, Ian McCaskill? Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 12/01/2021 13:13, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while > waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same > sequence and I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if > you can. > > I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case Jack > Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart and a > tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, like we had > to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a locked off 12x9 > map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to the Today board on > another camera (or did the first camera reposition OOV with him)? He > then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with the camera panning > across( I can?t remember doing a crab). When it got down to the last > minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a finger on the clock > facing him to indicate the wind-up time. Following the ?Goodnight? I > think it ended with another 12x9 summary map but can?t be sure about that. > > I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to > whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. > > Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, > George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara Edwards > as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when the > weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the window > to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the vidicons. I > think he retired in the mid sixties, > > *Geoff* > > From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Tue Jan 12 08:43:51 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 14:43:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> Message-ID: <4F5629C7-36D0-49FE-9706-7F3CDB324B16@icloud.com> ?..And although he didn?t last long (and was certainly there before my time at TVC) my uncle - Don Maunder was a weatherman as well! He sadly would get quite flustered when ?live? so unfortunately, although he was an amazing meteorologist, his days on TV (and us cheering at home) were sadly limited. Does everyone else remember the nerves before doing ?the pan?? Don?t start the pan until they start their move, make it smooth and finish the pan just before they finish their walk!! That and the zoom in to the Blue Peter ship caption is probably embedded in us all!!! Were there any other often exact repeated shots we did? Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:31, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote: > > Dear Geoff, > > Good afternoon. > > As I remember, it was a static locked off camera on the isobar chart, then the satellite image (optional). Followed by the today chart and pan with walk to the tomorrow chart. > > Below is a brief clip from 1981, after the new paint colour. > > https://tech-ops.armoor.co.uk/weather.mp4 > > Was the Ian, Ian McCaskill? > > > Stay safe > > Ian Norman > > Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk > Telephone: 01643 888181 > > On 12/01/2021 13:13, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same sequence and I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if you can. >> I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case Jack Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart and a tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, like we had to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a locked off 12x9 map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to the Today board on another camera (or did the first camera reposition OOV with him)? He then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with the camera panning across( I can?t remember doing a crab). When it got down to the last minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a finger on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up time. Following the ?Goodnight? I think it ended with another 12x9 summary map but can?t be sure about that. >> I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. >> Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara Edwards as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when the weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the window to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the vidicons. I think he retired in the mid sixties, >> *Geoff* > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 12/01/2021 14:43, Graham Maunder wrote: > ?..And although he didn?t last long (and was certainly there before my > time at TVC) my uncle - Don Maunder was a weatherman as well! > > He sadly would get quite flustered when ?live? so unfortunately, > although he was an amazing meteorologist, his days on TV (and us > cheering at home) were sadly limited. > > Does everyone else remember the nerves before doing ?the pan?? Don?t > start the pan until they start their move, make it smooth and finish the > pan just before they finish their walk!! > > That and the zoom in to the Blue Peter ship caption is probably embedded > in us all!!! > > Were there any other often exact repeated shots we did? > > Graham Maunder > > Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10?8TA > ? ? ? ? ? ? Tel: 07000 345678? ?Mobile: 07831 515678? ?Visit > Us:www.anvc.tv > >> On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:31, Ian Norman via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Dear Geoff, >> >> Good afternoon. >> >> As I remember, it was a static locked off camera on the isobar chart, >> then the satellite image (optional). ?Followed by the today chart and >> pan with walk to the tomorrow chart. >> >> Below is a brief clip from 1981, after the new paint colour. >> >> https://tech-ops.armoor.co.uk/weather.mp4 >> >> Was the Ian, Ian McCaskill? >> >> >> Stay safe >> >> Ian Norman >> >> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >> Telephone: 01643 888181 >> >> On 12/01/2021 13:13, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while >>> waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same >>> sequence and I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if >>> you can. >>> I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case >>> Jack Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart >>> and a tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, >>> like we had to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a >>> locked off 12x9 map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to >>> the Today board on another camera (or did the first camera reposition >>> OOV with him)? He then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with >>> the camera panning across( I can?t remember doing a crab). When it >>> got down to the last minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a >>> finger on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up time. >>> Following the ?Goodnight? I think it ended with another 12x9 summary >>> map but can?t be sure about that. >>> I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to >>> whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. >>> Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, >>> George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara >>> Edwards as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when >>> the weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the >>> window to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the >>> vidicons. I think he retired in the mid sixties, >>> *Geoff* >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Tue Jan 12 08:52:26 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 14:52:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <7f1f906f-88cc-12d2-5f1d-3fe7ea58db90@armoor.co.uk> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> <4F5629C7-36D0-49FE-9706-7F3CDB324B16@icloud.com> <7f1f906f-88cc-12d2-5f1d-3fe7ea58db90@armoor.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes indeed Ian - another couple of oft repeated shots!! Just had a quick trawl of the internet and whilst I can?t find an ?action? shot of my uncle, I did come across this shot taken with Peter Walker, presumably at a reunion of some sort! 30 years of BBC Weatherman or whatever with a hint of the weather map behind them. Best wishes to all Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:48, Ian Norman wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > You forgot the Swap-Shop top ten board and Playschools' round, arched or square windows. > > > Stay safe > > Ian Norman > > Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk > Telephone: 01643 888181 > > On 12/01/2021 14:43, Graham Maunder wrote: >> ?..And although he didn?t last long (and was certainly there before my time at TVC) my uncle - Don Maunder was a weatherman as well! >> He sadly would get quite flustered when ?live? so unfortunately, although he was an amazing meteorologist, his days on TV (and us cheering at home) were sadly limited. >> Does everyone else remember the nerves before doing ?the pan?? Don?t start the pan until they start their move, make it smooth and finish the pan just before they finish their walk!! >> That and the zoom in to the Blue Peter ship caption is probably embedded in us all!!! >> Were there any other often exact repeated shots we did? >> Graham Maunder >> Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA >> Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us:www.anvc.tv >>> On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:31, Ian Norman via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> Dear Geoff, >>> >>> Good afternoon. >>> >>> As I remember, it was a static locked off camera on the isobar chart, then the satellite image (optional). Followed by the today chart and pan with walk to the tomorrow chart. >>> >>> Below is a brief clip from 1981, after the new paint colour. >>> >>> https://tech-ops.armoor.co.uk/weather.mp4 >>> >>> Was the Ian, Ian McCaskill? >>> >>> >>> Stay safe >>> >>> Ian Norman >>> >>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >>> Telephone: 01643 888181 >>> >>> On 12/01/2021 13:13, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same sequence and I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if you can. >>>> I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case Jack Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart and a tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, like we had to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a locked off 12x9 map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to the Today board on another camera (or did the first camera reposition OOV with him)? He then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with the camera panning across( I can?t remember doing a crab). When it got down to the last minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a finger on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up time. Following the ?Goodnight? I think it ended with another 12x9 summary map but can?t be sure about that. >>>> I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. >>>> Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara Edwards as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when the weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the window to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the vidicons. I think he retired in the mid sixties, >>>> *Geoff* >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Don Maunder.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 184000 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:43, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > > ?..And although he didn?t last long (and was certainly there before my time at TVC) my uncle - Don Maunder was a weatherman as well! > > He sadly would get quite flustered when ?live? so unfortunately, although he was an amazing meteorologist, his days on TV (and us cheering at home) were sadly limited. > > Does everyone else remember the nerves before doing ?the pan?? Don?t start the pan until they start their move, make it smooth and finish the pan just before they finish their walk!! > > That and the zoom in to the Blue Peter ship caption is probably embedded in us all!!! > > Were there any other often exact repeated shots we did? > > Graham Maunder > > Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA > Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > >> On 12 Jan 2021, at 14:31, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Dear Geoff, >> >> Good afternoon. >> >> As I remember, it was a static locked off camera on the isobar chart, then the satellite image (optional). Followed by the today chart and pan with walk to the tomorrow chart. >> >> Below is a brief clip from 1981, after the new paint colour. >> >> https://tech-ops.armoor.co.uk/weather.mp4 >> >> Was the Ian, Ian McCaskill? >> >> >> Stay safe >> >> Ian Norman >> >> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >> Telephone: 01643 888181 >> >> On 12/01/2021 13:13, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same sequence and I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if you can. >>> I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case Jack Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart and a tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, like we had to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a locked off 12x9 map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to the Today board on another camera (or did the first camera reposition OOV with him)? He then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with the camera panning across( I can?t remember doing a crab). When it got down to the last minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a finger on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up time. Following the ?Goodnight? I think it ended with another 12x9 summary map but can?t be sure about that. >>> I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. >>> Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara Edwards as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when the weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the window to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the vidicons. I think he retired in the mid sixties, >>> *Geoff* >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 09:06:45 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:06:45 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <4F5629C7-36D0-49FE-9706-7F3CDB324B16@icloud.com> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com><390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> <4F5629C7-36D0-49FE-9706-7F3CDB324B16@icloud.com> Message-ID: Blue Peter Clock and/or Windows? From: Graham Maunder via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 Were there any other often exact repeated shots we did? Graham Maunder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Geoff F On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 16:09, Simon Morris via Tech1 wrote: > Play School Windows? ? but I agree with you Graham > > > On 12 Jan 2021, at 15:06, David Brunt via Tech1 > wrote: > > Blue Peter Clock and/or Windows? > > > > *From:* Graham Maunder via Tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 > Were there any other often exact repeated shots we did? > > Graham Maunder > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 12 11:42:56 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:42:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Quick test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ffddfa1.1c69fb81.c73b0.234c@mx.google.com> No problem, Graeme. I had a recurring message from my BT e-mail account complaining that the settings were out of date. So I tried an old password, which seems to be acceptable! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 12 January 2021 16:44 To: Tech ops Subject: [Tech1] Quick test Apologies for the test message but I don?t see to be getting through. ? Graeme Wall -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Jan 12 11:44:05 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:44:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Quick test In-Reply-To: <5ffddfa1.1c69fb81.c73b0.234c@mx.google.com> References: <5ffddfa1.1c69fb81.c73b0.234c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies, must have bee a glitch earlier. ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Jan 2021, at 17:42, patheigham wrote: > > No problem, Graeme. I had a recurring message from my BT e-mail account complaining that the settings were out of date. > So I tried an old password, which seems to be acceptable! > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: 12 January 2021 16:44 > To: Tech ops > Subject: [Tech1] Quick test > > Apologies for the test message but I don?t see to be getting through. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 12 11:45:54 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Quick test In-Reply-To: References: <5ffddfa1.1c69fb81.c73b0.234c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5ffde053.1c69fb81.6bd9f.d4a0@mx.google.com> Buzz!! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 12 January 2021 17:44 To: patheigham; David Newbitt Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Quick test Thanks for the replies, must have bee a glitch earlier. ? Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Jan 12 11:45:38 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:45:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> <4F5629C7-36D0-49FE-9706-7F3CDB324B16@icloud.com> Message-ID: My father was in the first batch of forecasters ?invited? to audition for the BBC back in the 1950s. IIRC Jack Scott got the job and Dad went to Heathrow instead. As a child I?d met Jack a few times so it was quite something to walk into Pres A and find myself actually pointing a camera at him! ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Jan 2021, at 16:08, Simon Morris via Tech1 wrote: > > Play School Windows? ? but I agree with you Graham > >> On 12 Jan 2021, at 15:06, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Blue Peter Clock and/or Windows? >> >> >> >> From: Graham Maunder via Tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 >> Were there any other often exact repeated shots we did? >> >> Graham Maunder >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Jan 12 11:46:32 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:46:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Quick test In-Reply-To: <5ffde053.1c69fb81.6bd9f.d4a0@mx.google.com> References: <5ffddfa1.1c69fb81.c73b0.234c@mx.google.com> <5ffde053.1c69fb81.6bd9f.d4a0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Defintely a bug! ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Jan 2021, at 17:45, patheigham wrote: > > Buzz!! > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall > Sent: 12 January 2021 17:44 > To: patheigham; David Newbitt > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Quick test > > Thanks for the replies, must have bee a glitch earlier. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:52:31 2021 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:52:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I remember that sometimes there was also a summary chart on a caption stand. It got a bit more complicated when there was a long range forecast when you had to reframe the camera on the Atlantic chart to a 12x9 on a stand. I also remember the cameraman doing the finger on the clock. And the long bit of string used when recording the late weather used to stop the VT clock so you couldn't hear the ticking. I can't remember which camera did the clock. It did get quite complicated times, of course that was mainly because two thirds of the camera staff weren't there in the evening. Dudley is the expert - in fact he may have fashioned the bit of string. Jim Bacon was also one of the forecasters for a while. Bill Jenkin On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, 13:14 geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1, < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while waiting > to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same sequence and > I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if you can. > > > > I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case Jack > Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart and a > tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, like we had to > do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a locked off 12x9 map on a > music stand while the weatherman moved to the Today board on another camera > (or did the first camera reposition OOV with him)? He then walked in vision > to the Tomorrow board with the camera panning across( I can?t remember > doing a crab). When it got down to the last minute, the PA seen in the > photo would place a finger on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up > time. Following the ?Goodnight? I think it ended with another 12x9 summary > map but can?t be sure about that. > > > > I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to whether > I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. > > > > Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, George > Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara Edwards as > mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when the weather set > up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the window to the cotrol > room, in the days when we were still using the vidicons. I think he retired > in the mid sixties, > > > > *Geoff* > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 12 13:09:29 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:09:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Comic sale In-Reply-To: <9B309AA1-51AD-4B44-AF0B-49D7872F3689@btinternet.com> References: <5ff9f6d6.1c69fb81.49bba.79c1@mx.google.com> <4259fe62-14e6-0c6f-aacc-2f922bde796c@btinternet.com> <3FCD8ADA-0669-4242-97D8-E43604560EBB@me.com> <9B309AA1-51AD-4B44-AF0B-49D7872F3689@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ffdf3ea.1c69fb81.d3ff1.9c3b@mx.google.com> Very interested in this as my good friend Nigel Hayler, with whom I stay in Somerset, served on HMS Eagle as a pilot on the land-on squadron. He went pretty well all round the world on her. As far as comics went, at boarding prep school, my Mum used to send me parcels of comics ? Beano, Dandy, Hotspur and Eagle. The headmaster put his foot down as I was getting far too many, and Eagle was the only one then allowed. The cut-away drawings were excellent and were pinned up on the walls of the main, large classroom, and indeed it was printed on semi-gloss paper. However, I had the drop on my fellow incarcerated guys, as I had been living in Singapore for two years previously, and had access to the American comics ? Captain Marvel, Superman, of which my friends knew nothing! A side line ? there was stage show running at the Cambridge Theatre a while back ? ?Return to the Forbidden Planet? A brilliant clash where Shakespeare?s ?Tempest? collides with Rock?n?Roll. The lead character was a dead ringer for Dan Dare! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: 11 January 2021 15:53 To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Comic sale On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:30, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: I don't know why, but I had 'Eagle' as well, mother was a bit of a snob and it might've been because it was edited by a vicar. That carried some clout with her. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Tue Jan 12 17:20:59 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 23:20:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zoom/Pans Message-ID: <65389F32-D4A4-447C-85B6-F7F1A3EF9A62@me.com> RE. Graham mentioning a zoom on Blue Peter I remember coming back from N. Ireland having directed drama for the first time and as Camera Supervisor working on a Playschool, I had the shot zooming in on the Window of the day, to be clever I incorporated a little sideways crab. Guess what, I missed. The other cameraman all disappeared inside their viewfinder hoods with their shoulders out of control! Collapse of fat Supervisor. Garth From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 03:40:29 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:40:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A loan agreement ... Message-ID: Hi My wife was, for some time, the manager of a small HSBC branch in the village of Goring-on-Thames, and she belongs to a Facebook group for people who used to work for the HSBC (well, actually, for people who used to work for the Midland Bank).A lot of the discussion on the Facebook group is, of course, either chit chat or stuff related to banking. In one of the larger HSBC branches in London, there was a cashier, whose name was Patricia Wack, although generally she went by a diminutive of her name: Pattie.One day a frog came up to the cashier?s desk, and said that he wanted a loan of thirty-thousand pounds.Pattie wasn?t quite sure how to handle this, so she first of all asked: ?What is your name???Kermit Jagger? replied the frog.?Every frog is called Kermit, and my Dad was called Mick Jagger.??We don?t give out loans,? said Pattie, ?without some form of security against the loan?, hoping that this would put off the frog. ?Here, what about this?? said the frog, and pulled out a small elephant charm, coloured with bright pink enamel.?Will this do??.Well, Pattie was not sure what to do at this point, so, again hoping to stall for time, she said: ?I?ll have to speak to the Bank Manager.??Oh, that?s all right, said the frog, ?My Dad knows the Bank Manager.? So, taking the small elephant, Pattie left the cashier desk, and approached the Manager?s door.With an unsteady hand, she knocked on the door of the Manager?s office.?Come in,? said a rather stern voice.With trepidation, Pattie went into the inner sanctum, and began to relate the story.?The frog wants a big loan, ?she concluded, ?And as for security, all he could offer is this.?She held up the bright pink small elephant:?And what IS this?? The manager replied: ?It?s a knick-knack, Pattie Wack! Give the frog a loan. His old man?s a Rolling Stone.? [Bet you sung the punch line ?.] -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Jan 13 03:52:32 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 09:52:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A loan agreement ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35A73E98-F2FF-4D46-A3BB-17D288C88405@icloud.com> That?s the cleaned up version! The original was Liverpudlian and a lot less politically correct. Graeme Wall > On 13 Jan 2021, at 09:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi > > My wife was, for some time, the manager of a small HSBC branch in the village of Goring-on-Thames, and she belongs to a Facebook group for people who used to work for the HSBC (well, actually, for people who used to work for the Midland Bank). A lot of the discussion on the Facebook group is, of course, either chit chat or stuff related to banking. > > > > In one of the larger HSBC branches in London, there was a cashier, whose name was Patricia Wack, although generally she went by a diminutive of her name: Pattie. One day a frog came up to the cashier?s desk, and said that he wanted a loan of thirty-thousand pounds. Pattie wasn?t quite sure how to handle this, so she first of all asked: ?What is your name?? ?Kermit Jagger? replied the frog. ?Every frog is called Kermit, and my Dad was called Mick Jagger.? ?We don?t give out loans,? said Pattie, ?without some form of security against the loan?, hoping that this would put off the frog. > > > > ?Here, what about this?? said the frog, and pulled out a small elephant charm, coloured with bright pink enamel. ?Will this do??. Well, Pattie was not sure what to do at this point, so, again hoping to stall for time, she said: ?I?ll have to speak to the Bank Manager.? ?Oh, that?s all right, said the frog, ?My Dad knows the Bank Manager.? > > > > So, taking the small elephant, Pattie left the cashier desk, and approached the Manager?s door. With an unsteady hand, she knocked on the door of the Manager?s office. ?Come in,? said a rather stern voice. With trepidation, Pattie went into the inner sanctum, and began to relate the story. ?The frog wants a big loan, ?she concluded, ?And as for security, all he could offer is this.? She held up the bright pink small elephant: ?And what IS this?? > > > > The manager replied: ?It?s a knick-knack, Pattie Wack! Give the frog a loan. His old man?s a Rolling Stone.? > > > > > > [Bet you sung the punch line ?.] > > > > > > > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 13 04:00:42 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:00:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A loan agreement ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ffec4cc.1c69fb81.82e46.54fb@mx.google.com> Isn?t there a similar gag ? guy goes into the bank to borrow money, he is shown into a back office, where behind the desk is a guy in full cowboy rig, Stetson, fringed jacket, chaps and cowboy boots, wearing an eye mask. ?Are you the manager?? asks the customer. ? No. I?m the Loan Arranger!? You may now groan! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 13 January 2021 09:40 Subject: [Tech1] A loan agreement ... Hi My wife was, for some time, the manager of a small HSBC branch in the village of Goring-on-Thames, and she belongs to a Facebook group for people who used to work for the HSBC ?The manager replied: ?It?s a knick-knack, Pattie Wack! Give the frog a loan. His old man?s a Rolling Stone.? ? -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 13 04:01:23 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:01:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A loan agreement ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ffec4f4.1c69fb81.9154.56d2@mx.google.com> Good one, Alec, though I think I?d heard it before! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 13 January 2021 09:40 Subject: [Tech1] A loan agreement ... Hi My wife was, for some time, the manager of a small HSBC branch in the village of Goring-on-Thames, and she belongs to a Facebook group for people who used to work for the HSBC (well, actually, for people who used to work for the Midland Bank). -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 13 04:15:40 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:15:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> Message-ID: <5ffec84d.1c69fb81.ee7fd.54d5@mx.google.com> Was it Ian who said in 1987, that there wasn?t a hurricane on the way ? then of course it blew a right hooligan! I was driving the Volvo camera car, trying to get to a Shell refinery in Essex, when the car phone rang (early days of mobiles) and I was called off as the roof of the factory had been blown off, and we couldn?t then film. But, It took me an hour to go three miles home, as every road I tried, had a tree down across it. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ian Norman via Tech1 Sent: 12 January 2021 14:32 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Ian Norman Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 Was the Ian, Ian McCaskill? Ian Norman -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Jan 13 04:22:26 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:22:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A loan agreement ... In-Reply-To: <5ffec4cc.1c69fb81.82e46.54fb@mx.google.com> References: <5ffec4cc.1c69fb81.82e46.54fb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1DD3BCDB-D864-4769-B4A1-8874F76AEB98@me.com> I once had a car written off and needed a replacement ASAP. I went to my usual dealer and explained that ideally I would like a car just like my previous one and to drive out in it that day. He had a demonstrator in stock which was exactly the spec I wanted, but I hated the colour. It was a sort of metallic washed out colour with a rose blush to it. The choice was between buying that car right away or hiring a car for a few weeks until a different coloured one could be found. He offered an excellent deal, so I bought the car and was mobile again. When I got home, there was some discussion amongst the family about what that embarrassing colour might be called. My son suggested ?Lone Ranger?s Willy? because it was pink but close to silver. Alan Taylor > On 13 Jan 2021, at 10:01, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Isn?t there a similar gag ? guy goes into the bank to borrow money, he is shown into a back office, where behind the desk is a guy in full cowboy rig, Stetson, fringed jacket, chaps and cowboy boots, wearing an eye mask. ?Are you the manager?? asks the customer. ? No. I?m the Loan Arranger!? > > You may now groan! > Pat > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 04:29:09 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:29:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A loan agreement ... In-Reply-To: <5ffec4f4.1c69fb81.9154.56d2@mx.google.com> References: <5ffec4f4.1c69fb81.9154.56d2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Pat's story reminds of a Norfolk tale. The Lone Ranger and Tonto decided to have a holiday touring the UK. In deepest Norfolk one day after a long day of driving they got a bit thirsty and pulled up at a village pub. The Lone Ranger went inside to get a round in but Tonto said he was a bit stiff from sitting down all day and was going to jog around the pib car park for a bit to loosen up. The Lone Ranger sat at the bar in his cowboy oufit and mask and supped his pint. An aged local gent came in, ordered a pintvof Lacons, and eyed him up and down. He took a pull of his pint and said " Oy rekkonise yew bor, yewm the Lone Ranger!" The Lone Ranger smiled and said "Reckon I am, old timer". The old boy replied "Thort so. Do yew cum hare by car?" "Yep. Sure did old timer". came the reply. "Well", said the old chap 'Yew lerft yore Injun runnin' ootsoyde!" Geoff F On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 10:01, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Good one, Alec, though I think I?d heard it before! > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Alec Bray via Tech1 > *Sent: *13 January 2021 09:40 > *Subject: *[Tech1] A loan agreement ... > > > > Hi > > My wife was, for some time, the manager of a small HSBC branch in the > village of Goring-on-Thames, and she belongs to a Facebook group for people > who used to work for the HSBC (well, actually, for people who used to work > for the Midland Bank). > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_2056689089332968194_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Wed Jan 13 04:38:49 2021 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:38:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <5ffec84d.1c69fb81.ee7fd.54d5@mx.google.com> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> <5ffec84d.1c69fb81.ee7fd.54d5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6507d6d7-0657-1cb9-0141-af30040e9629@armoor.co.uk> Dear Pat, If I remember correctly it was Michael Fish, who got the hurricane wrong. Whatever happened to Jim Bacon? He was one of my favourite weathermen. I remember talking to Ian McCaskill one day and he told me, he'd only applied for the job to have a day out, didn't expect to actually get it. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 13/01/2021 10:15, patheigham wrote: > Was it Ian who said in 1987, that there wasn?t a hurricane on the way ? > then of course it blew a right hooligan! > > I was driving the Volvo camera car, trying to get to a Shell refinery in > Essex, when the car phone rang (early days of mobiles) and I was called > off as the roof of the factory had been blown off, and we couldn?t then > film. _But_, It took me an hour to go three miles home, as every road I > tried, had a tree down across it. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Ian Norman via Tech1 > *Sent: *12 January 2021 14:32 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc: *Ian Norman > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 > > Was the Ian, Ian McCaskill? > > Ian Norman > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 13 04:44:03 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:44:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <6507d6d7-0657-1cb9-0141-af30040e9629@armoor.co.uk> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> <390cc11d-2951-6c0e-77b1-caf376d2da2c@armoor.co.uk> <5ffec84d.1c69fb81.ee7fd.54d5@mx.google.com> <6507d6d7-0657-1cb9-0141-af30040e9629@armoor.co.uk> Message-ID: <5ffecef4.1c69fb81.176e8.5474@mx.google.com> Yes, thanks for that..... Poor Fish! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ian Norman Sent: 13 January 2021 10:38 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 Dear Pat, If I remember correctly it was Michael Fish, who got the hurricane wrong. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 04:53:57 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:53:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More admin Message-ID: <253541e9-72c1-e9e4-d571-d6c0cdd95a71@gmail.com> I've had a strange communication from Site5, the web host company for tech1 complaining that someone is sending spam. It's rather odd, and they don't explain themselves well, but it is genuine. It was an email, but it's also a support ticket in the account system. I've asked for more details, but haven't yet had a reply. 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URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Wed Jan 13 06:23:06 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 12:23:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <681b82a6-0fa7-9edf-3176-e3756fd6e85c@btinternet.com> Thanks for bringing back the memories. Deputed to be i/c Weather when Rex Moorfoot was Head of Pres, I spanned the transition from marker pens on coated charts, laboriously wiped clean with acetone, via magnetic rubber isobars to the 'new' weather symbols in 1975. My overlap with Geoff's excellent memory was also with Jack Armstrong circa 1965 for but one forecast only. Thereafter the team was led by Bert Foord (double 'o') and Graham Parker, soon joined by Peter Walker. Those were the days the weathermen (all men) were rostered forecasters from 'the bench' at the London Weather Centre in Holborn, who took the latest marked-up charts in a briefcase on the tube to and from White City.. The Met. Office ruled; to the extent that one section head put a formal instruction on the LWC notice-board to the effect that "A forecaster on television duty has been heard to say 'Tomorrow we can look forward to another fine day'. Such observations are not permitted, given the farmers who may be affected by drought... etc."? Hand-drawn isobars and symbols were all based on international meteorological practice and largely incomprehensible to the layman. The BBC had little or no say in the presenters right up to the late '60s when, after Peter Walker had left, the Met. Office tried anyone wiling to have a go - and one or two who weren't. That came to rights with Jack Scott, and thereafter we had the greater say. The rest is history...? occasionally brought back for various anniversaries, of which the next will be in 2025: '50 years of the weather symbols' still on BBC screens. Despite all the trials on our fridge at home, I don't think I can lay my hands on any of the originals now. (Although there's still a BBC-1 stand-by globe for 'Noddy' on an upper shelf). A treasured memory is of when the new symbols went to air and saying to Rex Moorfoot: "They're so good, I don't know how we'll ever get off them". Does anyone else have their own Pres 'A' pictures to share??? On Geoff's questions: 3 cameras, with 2 on the large charts and 1 for the cut away and final summaries; the zoom out covered by the weatherman's move. But now you ask, in the early days, an in-vision announcer's position was close to the gallery window, so perhaps the cut away did allow both the large charts on just one. I'll ask John Teather and Orwyn Evans who may remember and forward any response. Hugh On 12-Jan-21 1:13 PM, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Attached is a picture I took of the weather setup in Pres A while > waiting to go on air. The camera coverage usually followed the same > sequence and I?ve been trying to remember how it went. Please help if > you can. > > I know it started with an MCU of the weatherman/lady (in this case > Jack Scott but there was also Barbara Edwards) on the Atlantic chart > and a tricky zoom out to see the whole thing without overshooting, > like we had to do with captions on Jackanory. Then a cutaway to a > locked off 12x9 map on a music stand while the weatherman moved to the > Today board on another camera (or did the first camera reposition OOV > with him)? He then walked in vision to the Tomorrow board with the > camera panning across( I can?t remember doing a crab). When it got > down to the last minute, the PA seen in the photo would place a finger > on the clock facing him to indicate the wind-up time. Following the > ?Goodnight? I think it ended with another 12x9 summary map but can?t > be sure about that. > > I?m hoping the photo will prompt a few memories and comments as to > whether I got the sequence right and how many cameras were deployed. > > Weather forecasters at the time included Bert Ford, Graham Parker, > George Luce, Bill Giles, Ian ? as well as Jack Scott and Barbara > Edwards as mentioned. The first one I remember was Jack Armstong when > the weather set up was simpler, with one board(?) set in front of the > window to the cotrol room, in the days when we were still using the > vidicons. I think he retired in the mid sixties, > > *Geoff* > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 06:49:09 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 12:49:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Eventually it all went computer, and the magnetic symbols disappeared off onto people's fridges. There's a doc on YouTube about the change - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDpit9SgD9M *B* On 13/01/2021 12:09, Peter Hider via Tech1 wrote: > I did the dreaded pan from the?today chart to the tomorrow?one many > times. Jack Scott was a very funny man. He would take the magnetic > symbols off the map immediately the red light went off. He explained > that by doing that there was no evidence left of the forecast and > couldn't be blamed for getting it wrong. He had, on one occasion I did > it, used the magnetic letters FOG which, during the 10 seconds count > down to TX, fell on the floor. He replaced them quickly and continued > with his forecast explaining to the viewers that there would be > patches of GOF in the Midlands. > When I moved to Drama Films it was essential to have an accurate > forecast for scheduling. Bill Giles' office was opposite mine on the > 5th Floor and he would give me the latest info off the Satellite > charts. When the Weather Office was no longer available to me I would > ring the Met Office at R.A.F. Benson and the forecaster there would > give me a precise forecast for the area we would be filming even down > to what time it would start raining. On one occasion I rang and on > being asked who I was by the switchboard operator I was told that they > would not give such information to an outside body. I rang back an > hour later and when asked who I was I replied Flt. Lt. Cunningham from > 322 Squadron. BINGO! Straight through. > I continued to use this service until I retired. 322 Squadron was the > Dutch Air Force's squadron founded as part of the RAF in England > during the Second WW using Dutch Crew. This Squadron is still active > in Holland and has just been supplied with F35 Lightning II aircraft. > Keep safe > Peter Hider > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 13 08:23:56 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:23:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fff027d.1c69fb81.46a70.349a@mx.google.com> Hi Peter, I thought you were going to come up with a version I heard ? the ?F? fell off, and at the end the forecaster said to camera: ?I?m sorry about the F in Fog!? (say it quickly!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Hider via Tech1 Sent: 13 January 2021 12:09 To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 I did the dreaded pan from the?today chart to the tomorrow?one many times. Jack Scott was a very funny man. He would take the magnetic symbols off the map immediately the red light went off. He explained that by doing that there was no evidence left of the forecast and couldn't be blamed for getting it wrong. He had, on one occasion I did it, used the magnetic letters FOG which, during the 10 seconds count down to TX, fell on the floor. He replaced them quickly and continued with his forecast explaining to the viewers that there would be patches of GOF in the Midlands. ? Keep safe Peter Hider ? ? ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 13 08:31:04 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:31:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zoom/Pans In-Reply-To: <65389F32-D4A4-447C-85B6-F7F1A3EF9A62@me.com> References: <65389F32-D4A4-447C-85B6-F7F1A3EF9A62@me.com> Message-ID: <5fff042a.1c69fb81.823e6.36af@mx.google.com> Although Playschool ended in 1988 ? yes, that long ago! I assume that in today?s technological climate, the zoom in to whichever window would be recorded and put into a library of files to be dialled up as required? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 Sent: 12 January 2021 23:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Zoom/Pans RE. Graham mentioning a zoom on Blue Peter I remember coming back from N. Ireland having directed drama for the first time and as Camera Supervisor working on a Playschool, I had the shot zooming in on the Window of the day, to be clever I incorporated a little sideways crab. Guess what, I missed. The other cameraman all disappeared inside their viewfinder hoods with their shoulders out of control! Collapse of fat Supervisor. Garth -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:39:47 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:39:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zoom/Pans In-Reply-To: <5fff042a.1c69fb81.823e6.36af@mx.google.com> References: <65389F32-D4A4-447C-85B6-F7F1A3EF9A62@me.com> <5fff042a.1c69fb81.823e6.36af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Just for Pat - attached B On 13/01/2021 14:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Although Playschool ended in 1988 ? yes, that long ago! > > I assume that in today?s technological climate, the zoom in to > whichever window would be recorded and put into a library of files to > be dialled up as required? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Garth Tucker via Tech1 > *Sent: *12 January 2021 23:21 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Zoom/Pans > > RE. Graham mentioning a zoom on Blue Peter I remember coming back from > N. Ireland having directed drama for the first time and as Camera > Supervisor working on a Playschool, I had the shot zooming in on the > Window of the day, to be clever I incorporated a little sideways crab. > Guess what, I missed. The other cameraman all disappeared inside their > viewfinder hoods with their shoulders out of control! Collapse of fat > Supervisor. Garth > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vlc-record-2021-01-13-14h37m18s-Play School. 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Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Hider via Tech1 Sent: 13 January 2021 12:09 To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 I did the dreaded pan from the?today chart to the tomorrow?one many times. ? Keep safe Peter Hider ? ? ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Wed Jan 13 08:58:37 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:58:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather in Pres A circa 1970 In-Reply-To: References: <002601d6e8e4$c58cb9d0$50a62d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter?s stories reminded me of a great wheeze I did once, whilst I was bored in Pres A. As no doubt many of you will recall, there were frequent visitors trooping into Pres who were being shown around TV Centre by people who seemed to have little knowledge of what really happened and how! On one such occasion, I came pre-armed with a load of old film stock that I had repatriated from a skip. When the inevitable touring party arrived to see the weather charts and be told that ?these were the very latest high tech cameras? (which they clearly weren?t), I proceeded to start pulling the film stock out of the body of the camera whilst talking very loudly with my cans on to the mythical director ?I?m really not sure what?s happened, the film is completely stuck and just spewing out everywhere?. The tour moved swiftly on?.. Happy days Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 13 Jan 2021, at 12:09, Peter Hider via Tech1 wrote: > > I did the dreaded pan from the today chart to the tomorrow one many times. Jack Scott was a very funny man. He would take the magnetic symbols off the map immediately the red light went off. He explained that by doing that there was no evidence left of the forecast and couldn't be blamed for getting it wrong. He had, on one occasion I did it, used the magnetic letters FOG which, during the 10 seconds count down to TX, fell on the floor. He replaced them quickly and continued with his forecast explaining to the viewers that there would be patches of GOF in the Midlands. > > When I moved to Drama Films it was essential to have an accurate forecast for scheduling. Bill Giles' office was opposite mine on the 5th Floor and he would give me the latest info off the Satellite charts. When the Weather Office was no longer available to me I would ring the Met Office at R.A.F. Benson and the forecaster there would give me a precise forecast for the area we would be filming even down to what time it would start raining. On one occasion I rang and on being asked who I was by the switchboard operator I was told that they would not give such information to an outside body. I rang back an hour later and when asked who I was I replied Flt. Lt. Cunningham from 322 Squadron. BINGO! Straight through. > > I continued to use this service until I retired. 322 Squadron was the Dutch Air Force's squadron founded as part of the RAF in England during the Second WW using Dutch Crew. This Squadron is still active in Holland and has just been supplied with F35 Lightning II aircraft. > > Keep safe > Peter Hider > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: anvc-logo-mail-small.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14651 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Jan 13 10:45:27 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 16:45:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zoom/Pans In-Reply-To: References: <65389F32-D4A4-447C-85B6-F7F1A3EF9A62@me.com> <5fff042a.1c69fb81.823e6.36af@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: Hah! Zooms and Pans. I expect you folks will recall this Segway-Steadicam shot from Eurovision 2009. Even with a focus puller/zoom assistant with you, would you fancy going live to countless millions with this?! I?ve watched it a number of times, and still find it breathtakingly fabulous. (The whole song is on Youtube in high def if you want to see it better). See: Karsten Jacobsen on IMDb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3TBvJUtuHs Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Jan 2021, at 14:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Just for Pat - attached B On 13/01/2021 14:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Although Playschool ended in 1988 ? yes, that long ago! I assume that in today?s technological climate, the zoom in to whichever window would be recorded and put into a library of files to be dialled up as required? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 Sent: 12 January 2021 23:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Zoom/Pans RE. Graham mentioning a zoom on Blue Peter I remember coming back from N. Ireland having directed drama for the first time and as Camera Supervisor working on a Playschool, I had the shot zooming in on the Window of the day, to be clever I incorporated a little sideways crab. Guess what, I missed. The other cameraman all disappeared inside their viewfinder hoods with their shoulders out of control! Collapse of fat Supervisor. Garth -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vlc-record-2021-01-13-14h37m18s-Play School. 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Goes against the grain to praise this government, but I think they got it right ordering up vaccines before they knew for certain which ones would work. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Thu Jan 14 05:30:33 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:30:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zoom/Pans In-Reply-To: References: <65389F32-D4A4-447C-85B6-F7F1A3EF9A62@me.com> <5fff042a.1c69fb81.823e6.36af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2F34EB17-4935-4D50-B7E9-AA80793EDADF@icloud.com> They quite rightly won a GTC award (probably along with many others!) for this shot. Brave man! Graham Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 13 Jan 2021, at 16:45, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Hah! Zooms and Pans. I expect you folks will recall this Segway-Steadicam shot from Eurovision 2009. Even with a focus puller/zoom assistant with you, would you fancy going live to countless millions with this?! > I?ve watched it a number of times, and still find it breathtakingly fabulous. (The whole song is on Youtube in high def if you want to see it better). See: Karsten Jacobsen on IMDb > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3TBvJUtuHs > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 13 Jan 2021, at 14:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? Just for Pat - attached >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 13/01/2021 14:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Although Playschool ended in 1988 ? yes, that long ago! >>> I assume that in today?s technological climate, the zoom in to whichever window would be recorded and put into a library of files to be dialled up as required? >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>> Sent: 12 January 2021 23:21 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Zoom/Pans >>> >>> RE. Graham mentioning a zoom on Blue Peter I remember coming back from N. Ireland having directed drama for the first time and as Camera Supervisor working on a Playschool, I had the shot zooming in on the Window of the day, to be clever I incorporated a little sideways crab. Guess what, I missed. The other cameraman all disappeared inside their viewfinder hoods with their shoulders out of control! Collapse of fat Supervisor. Garth >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >> > >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When the inevitable touring party arrived to see the weather charts and be told that ?these were the very latest high tech cameras? (which they clearly weren?t), I proceeded to start pulling the film stock out of the body of the camera whilst talking very loudly with my cans on to the mythical director ?I?m really not sure what?s happened, the film is completely stuck and just spewing out everywhere?. The tour moved swiftly on?.. Happy days Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 13 Jan 2021, at 12:09, Peter Hider via Tech1 wrote: > > I did the dreaded pan from the today chart to the tomorrow one many times. Jack Scott was a very funny man. He would take the magnetic symbols off the map immediately the red light went off. He explained that by doing that there was no evidence left of the forecast and couldn't be blamed for getting it wrong. He had, on one occasion I did it, used the magnetic letters FOG which, during the 10 seconds count down to TX, fell on the floor. He replaced them quickly and continued with his forecast explaining to the viewers that there would be patches of GOF in the Midlands. > > When I moved to Drama Films it was essential to have an accurate forecast for scheduling. Bill Giles' office was opposite mine on the 5th Floor and he would give me the latest info off the Satellite charts. When the Weather Office was no longer available to me I would ring the Met Office at R.A.F. Benson and the forecaster there would give me a precise forecast for the area we would be filming even down to what time it would start raining. On one occasion I rang and on being asked who I was by the switchboard operator I was told that they would not give such information to an outside body. I rang back an hour later and when asked who I was I replied Flt. Lt. Cunningham from 322 Squadron. BINGO! Straight through. > > I continued to use this service until I retired. 322 Squadron was the Dutch Air Force's squadron founded as part of the RAF in England during the Second WW using Dutch Crew. This Squadron is still active in Holland and has just been supplied with F35 Lightning II aircraft. > > Keep safe > Peter Hider > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: anvc-logo-mail-small.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14651 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Jan 14 05:54:26 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:54:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab. In-Reply-To: <58ee6e9824davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58ee6e9824davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On 14/01/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > ... > > Goes against the grain to praise this government, but I think they got it > right ordering up vaccines before they knew for certain which ones would > work. They might have made a good play there, despite the expense. However these are just orders, not delivery. As is becoming clear there is nothing like enough of the gypo in bottles to vaccinate everyone in the time-frame that we have been "promised"... When has that happened previously? We're already noticing the change of phrase from "giving the vaccination" to "offering a vaccination" knowing that for many that may mean queuing for 4 hours at a dangerously crowded mass-vaccination site 45 mins drive away from where you live, and therefore will rule out a lot of people actually taking the "offer" up. A good way of making limited supplies go further. I'm firmly in favour of vaccination, but I'm only willing to do as you did - go to my local practice group's properly-organised unit. And I'm extremely chary about delayed second jab, for which there is zero scientific evidence of it being valid (and dubious legality, given that the vaccines don't have approval for that). Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 10:09:44 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:09:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Forward of moderated message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b2942c1-3da9-6306-94d4-6af169f49e5a@gmail.com> Mike Giles sent this, which I've put through Handbrake to reduce the file size B -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Forward of moderated message Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 08:20:06 -0600 From: tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk To: tech1-owner at tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No one mentioned? that John P also promoted Speedway racing at Aldershot, Weymouth and Ipswich? between 1958 and 1965, nor the record company we both ran issuing LPs of Cinema and Fairground organs, Brass |Bands and even the Steam locomotive following Dr Beechings plans for our Railways..We first met at Aldershot in 1958 and have remained firm friends since? that time. John inderwent? a serious operation for Prostate in 2018 and spent a long period in Watford? General Hospital where I last saw him in February 2019, along with Ken Osbourn? OB Sound. Since that time no one has been able to make contact with him at his home address in Chorleywood. His? land line phone is? never answered at any time of day, his mobile number no longer connects and letters are not answered. Being Based in Yorkshire makes it impossible to trace information from the usual authorities due to the current Laws of Privacy and Information. I just wondered if there are any members in the area who may be able to? make a check to ease my fears. I can of course supply his address and phone numbers along with any other of my details . Grateful thanks, Ken Mellor??? ( 01757 617299) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 10:16:20 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:16:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic Message-ID: 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group.? Needs brightening up, obviously. I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Stravinsky Symphony in C B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: obookkmiajcbfnme.png Type: image/png Size: 228660 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Fri Jan 15 11:14:38 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 17:14:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John Braban too lovely man Sent from my iPad > On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s > > This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. > > > > > I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." > > Stravinsky Symphony in C > > B > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 15 11:58:01 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 17:58:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Similar technology appears in Gracenote, which is the clever bit employed by Apple and others to automatically identify CDs.. Unfortunately the technology proved to be the downfall of a concert pianist Joyce Hatto, or more accurately the downfall of her husband, William Barrington-Coupe. For those who don't know the story, Joyce Hatto was a fairly successful pianist until ovarian cancer started affecting her playing in the 1970s. She suddenly started releasing new recordings in 1989 through her husband's independent record label Concert Artists. Those recording resulted in Hatto being referred to as one of the greatest pianists of all time. In 2007, Brian Ventura bought one of her CDs, ripped it into iTunes, but was confused when he noticed that his iPod had labelled it as Laszlo Simon playing the same piece. Further investigation revealed that other CDs of her work were also becoming mis-labelled by iTunes. It subsequently was discovered that her husband started off trying to make honest recordings of her playing, but as her abilities dwindled, he decided to edit in little sections of another artist playing that same piece. As time went on, he found that he needed to replace larger sections with other people's playing, that's what led to iTunes 'mislabelling" it. Forensic audio investigation was then carried out by Andrew Rose ( ex BBC radio studio manager ) of Pristine Audio, who conducted detailed analysis of her later CDs and declared that none of her recordings released after 1970 could be accurately attributed to her. It's a rather tragic story. There seems to be no suggestion that Joyce Hatto was aware of the edits or deception, but the scandal ruined her reputation when it came to light shortly after her death in 2006. Her husband primarily carried out the piracy as an act of kindness "in a desperate attempt to build a shrine to a dying wife". However it's not totally a win for digital wizardry over human ears. In 2005 a musicologist spotted that in a different piece she incorrectly interpreted a chord and that Carlo Grante had made exactly the same mistake at the same point in his 1993 recording. Although noted and discussed online, it was dismissed as a curious coincidence and no further investigation was considered. Alan Taylor On 15 Jan 2021, at 15 Jan . 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s > > This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. > > > > I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." > > Stravinsky Symphony in C > > B > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Fri Jan 15 12:01:55 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:01:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: John Pilblad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ebb2471-b650-5e14-3507-bc73f4003fbc@btinternet.com> Although unable to source any information about John Pilblad, others may be interested in the gist of this reply to Ken Mellor: 'While I was acquainted with John Pilblad 40 years and more ago, I unfortunately know nothing to help with your quest. Nor did I know of his entrepreneurial talents, but what caught my attention was your mention of 'Cinema and Fairground organs' and then your name, because at first glance I connected it with 'Moller'. And why? Because I wrote up something of the history of the BBC's Travelling Moller organ in 2011 or 12 (I think). This was the famous BBC Theatre Organ of wartime and post-war years, now the pride and joy of the Pasadena Civic Hall in America. You might know all about this - or want to know nothing - but it rings tremolo bells for me because, as a child evacuated to Bangor in North Wales, I went to the BBC's Penrhyn Theatre studio which housed it for a time before it went to Llandudno and later to London. My luck was to see a Tommy Handley Saturday morning show from somewhere up in the gods, although how a boy of 5 was let in to the converted theatre I can't recall, but the memory still lingers on. Should you want to know more, take a look at http://theatreorgans.com/travellingmoller/index.htm and/or https://www.atos.org/FoortMoller plus the YouTube excerpts under Pasadena "Moller" organ. The one I've previously used for telling the story is 'Jelani Eddington & Rob Richards perform Richard Rodgers' of 2007 but there are others right up to recent times. Perhaps it's time someone made a radio programme about it all. Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Fri Jan 15 13:55:08 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 19:55:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: See the customized period backdrop for Jingle Jangle References: Message-ID: S > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Rosco > Subject: See the customized period backdrop for Jingle Jangle > Date: 15 January 2021 at 19:08:39 GMT > To: > Reply-To: Rosco > > View this email in your browser > > > How Rosco SoftDrop? 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URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Fri Jan 15 14:00:54 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:00:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: <250E3954-CFBC-49A1-A9D6-39197AFACCC2@gmail.com> References: <250E3954-CFBC-49A1-A9D6-39197AFACCC2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2 , developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild . Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. Albert > On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > > There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? > > Geoff > >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?John Braban too lovely man >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>> >>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. >>> >>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>> >>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 14:43:53 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:43:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: References: <250E3954-CFBC-49A1-A9D6-39197AFACCC2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b184c09-e151-544a-d9b9-a385e9004c69@ntlworld.com> We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive.? It gave him his very special voice.? I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. B On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. > Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. > From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early > morning show on BBC Radio 2 > , developing an > idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, > gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma > Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed > withthroat cancer > in 1987, and he > died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. > In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to > Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild > . > Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. > Albert > >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes > > wrote: >> >> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >> >> Geoff >> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for >>>> instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>> >>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 >>>> being made by my U3A group.? Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this >>>> time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called >>>> SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a >>>> very short section when it told me the answer. >>>> >>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>>> >>>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Jan 15 17:02:40 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 23:02:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: <8b184c09-e151-544a-d9b9-a385e9004c69@ntlworld.com> References: <8b184c09-e151-544a-d9b9-a385e9004c69@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. Mike G > On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. > > B > > > On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. >> From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2, developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. >> In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild. >> Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. >> Albert >> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: >>> >>> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>>> >>>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. >>>>> >>>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>>>> >>>>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 17:39:32 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 23:39:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> References: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> Message-ID: <9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com> I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. Of SS?s I remember Gerry Lawrence as his party piece was to do an impression of Derek Nimmo in the role of Noot in All Gas & Gaiters who spoke with a mild stammer. John Hartsorne was another who seemed to be there quite often. What happen to them? Geoff > On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. > > Mike G > >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. >> >> B >> >> >> On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>> Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. >>> From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2, developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. >>> In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild. >>> Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. >>> Albert >>> >>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: >>>> >>>> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>>>> >>>>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>>>>> >>>>>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 15 17:55:33 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 23:55:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ray Moore In-Reply-To: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> References: <8b184c09-e151-544a-d9b9-a385e9004c69@ntlworld.com> <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> Message-ID: A lovely story involving Ray. We were working in Hammersmith Palais and Ray was doing the MC bit, but first he had to get in! We had a tall, well-built cameraperson who looked every inch a security man. When Ray entered the Palais the 'security man' asked for his ID and of course, Ray hadn't got any with him. Eventually he was admitted. When it came to record the opening links the 'security man' was doing the shot. He looked round the side of the camera and gave Ray the thumbs up! Ray said 'You bastard!' and we all had a good laugh. A lovely man, sadly missed. BTW, the 'security man' left OBs and joined the police force, I believe. 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John Hartsorne was another who seemed to be there quite often. What happen to them? > > Geoff > >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. >>>> From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2, developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. >>>> In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild. >>>> Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. >>>> Albert >>>> >>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >>>>> >>>>> Geoff >>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Jan 16 04:16:22 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 10:16:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: <9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com> References: <9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ACA5F91-82EE-4010-B351-BEFF134A4BB0@me.com> Ray Moore would often work on OBs doing live voice overs on big events shows. If he was paired with Wogan doing the presentation, you could always expect shenanigans between them. Ray was particularly liked doing a line of voice over, but when he finished, would press the lazy key so that his voice was cut from transmission and fed instead to a speaker in the gallery and would continue talking without missing a beat. The sort of thing he might say is ?Miss Newcastle is 23 and works as a hotel receptionist. She likes to take her dog for walks in the countryside? [ Lazy ] ?... and enjoys topless trampolining.? Wogan was largely immune to these sort of things being audible in his earpiece, but would occasionally get triggered by people laughing in the gallery and would start his next line with a subtle Wogan chuckle, which just gave him a moment, but looked to the audience as part of his persona. As these were high profile events being broadcast live, there would have been an outrage if Ray ever got the timing wrong on his lazy key, but of course he was far too professional for that. Alan Taylor > On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:40, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 16 06:14:53 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:14:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: <9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com> References: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> <9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54D49E81-AD9C-4DCD-B8D0-F73B9D95CCB3@mac.com> I don?t remember a Gerry Lawrence, Geoff, but I?m embarrassed to say that I can?t think of the surname of the awfully nice Gerry that you are probably thinking of, although I can see his face and hear his voice ~ others (probably Barry) will be able to remind us. And the other name you mentioned was John Hartshorn, who died some time ago. Mike G > On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:39, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. > Of SS?s I remember Gerry Lawrence as his party piece was to do an impression of Derek Nimmo in the role of Noot in All Gas & Gaiters who spoke with a mild stammer. John Hartsorne was another who seemed to be there quite often. What happen to them? > > Geoff > >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. >>>> From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2 , developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. >>>> In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild . >>>> Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. >>>> Albert >>>> >>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >>>>> >>>>> Geoff >>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And the other name you mentioned was John Hartshorn, who died some time ago. > > Mike G > > >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:39, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. >> Of SS?s I remember Gerry Lawrence as his party piece was to do an impression of Derek Nimmo in the role of Noot in All Gas & Gaiters who spoke with a mild stammer. John Hartsorne was another who seemed to be there quite often. What happen to them? >> >> Geoff >> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. >>>>> From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2 , developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. >>>>> In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild . >>>>> Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. >>>>> Albert >>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >>>>>> >>>>>> Geoff >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. 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Paul From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2021 10:16 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] A little piece of magic Ray Moore would often work on OBs doing live voice overs on big events shows. If he was paired with Wogan doing the presentation, you could always expect shenanigans between them. Ray was particularly liked doing a line of voice over, but when he finished, would press the lazy key so that his voice was cut from transmission and fed instead to a speaker in the gallery and would continue talking without missing a beat. The sort of thing he might say is ?Miss Newcastle is 23 and works as a hotel receptionist. She likes to take her dog for walks in the countryside? [ Lazy ] ?... and enjoys topless trampolining.? Wogan was largely immune to these sort of things being audible in his earpiece, but would occasionally get triggered by people laughing in the gallery and would start his next line with a subtle Wogan chuckle, which just gave him a moment, but looked to the audience as part of his persona. As these were high profile events being broadcast live, there would have been an outrage if Ray ever got the timing wrong on his lazy key, but of course he was far too professional for that. Alan Taylor On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:40, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: ?I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 16 08:29:20 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:29:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: References: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> <9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com> <54D49E81-AD9C-4DCD-B8D0-F73B9D95CCB3@mac.com> Message-ID: <0499F7FB-8879-47D8-9D33-D0FFDF6EF97C@mac.com> As you surmise, Peter, I didn?t meet Jerry Lawrence, but the Gerry I?m trying to recall was a Gram OP (DSS), whom I?m sure worked in Pres A from time to time. Mike G > On 16 Jan 2021, at 14:07, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > Do you mean Jerry Lawrence? (SA1) > > He went to OU at Milton Keynes along with Linton Howell-Hughes and Wilf Eynon - Possibly before you arrived from Bristol, Mike. > > > > > > Peter Neill > > > > > > >> On 16 Jan 2021, at 12:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I don?t remember a Gerry Lawrence, Geoff, but I?m embarrassed to say that I can?t think of the surname of the awfully nice Gerry that you are probably thinking of, although I can see his face and hear his voice ~ others (probably Barry) will be able to remind us. And the other name you mentioned was John Hartshorn, who died some time ago. >> >> Mike G >> >> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:39, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. >>> Of SS?s I remember Gerry Lawrence as his party piece was to do an impression of Derek Nimmo in the role of Noot in All Gas & Gaiters who spoke with a mild stammer. John Hartsorne was another who seemed to be there quite often. What happen to them? >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. >>>>>> From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2 , developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. >>>>>> In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild . >>>>>> Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. >>>>>> Albert >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Jan 16 09:08:35 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:08:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: References: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> <9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com> <54D49E81-AD9C-4DCD-B8D0-F73B9D95CCB3@mac.com> Message-ID: I was on a crew with Jerry Lawrence as my SA1, nice guy, he eventually went to AP but sadly is no longer with us. The other ?..awfully nice.." Gerry you may be thinking of Mike maybe Gram Op Gerry Borrows, also deceased. Yes, John Hartshorn is also no longer with us?Dangerous place the Earth! Barry. On 16 Jan 2021, at 14:07, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > Do you mean Jerry Lawrence? (SA1) > > He went to OU at Milton Keynes along with Linton Howell-Hughes and Wilf Eynon - Possibly before you arrived from Bristol, Mike. > > > > > > Peter Neill > > > > > > >> On 16 Jan 2021, at 12:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I don?t remember a Gerry Lawrence, Geoff, but I?m embarrassed to say that I can?t think of the surname of the awfully nice Gerry that you are probably thinking of, although I can see his face and hear his voice ~ others (probably Barry) will be able to remind us. And the other name you mentioned was John Hartshorn, who died some time ago. >> >> Mike G >> >> >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:39, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. >>> Of SS?s I remember Gerry Lawrence as his party piece was to do an impression of Derek Nimmo in the role of Noot in All Gas & Gaiters who spoke with a mild stammer. John Hartsorne was another who seemed to be there quite often. What happen to them? >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. >>>>>> From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2, developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. >>>>>> In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild. >>>>>> Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. >>>>>> Albert >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 16 09:37:51 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:37:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: References: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com><9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com><54D49E81-AD9C-4DCD-B8D0-F73B9D95CCB3@mac.com> Message-ID: <7F553CFCD37B4DC6B0732714F1FB2342@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I must remember to let you know when I?ve passed away Barry as you seem to be the most reliable repository for such information! Dead right that both Jerry Lawrence and Gerry Borrows were well up there with the really nice guys. John Hartshorn was fine but expressed his opinions let us say ?forcibly?, often on the topic of Hi Fi equipment in which area he was pretty knowledgeable. I find over and over again on this forum memories flooding back which my brain had long since archived and I really value the many posts that bring that about. Dave Newbitt. From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 3:08 PM To: Peter Neill Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] A little piece of magic I was on a crew with Jerry Lawrence as my SA1, nice guy, he eventually went to AP but sadly is no longer with us. The other ?..awfully nice.." Gerry you may be thinking of Mike maybe Gram Op Gerry Borrows, also deceased. Yes, John Hartshorn is also no longer with us?Dangerous place the Earth! Barry. On 16 Jan 2021, at 14:07, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: Do you mean Jerry Lawrence? (SA1) He went to OU at Milton Keynes along with Linton Howell-Hughes and Wilf Eynon - Possibly before you arrived from Bristol, Mike. Peter Neill On 16 Jan 2021, at 12:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: I don?t remember a Gerry Lawrence, Geoff, but I?m embarrassed to say that I can?t think of the surname of the awfully nice Gerry that you are probably thinking of, although I can see his face and hear his voice ~ others (probably Barry) will be able to remind us. And the other name you mentioned was John Hartshorn, who died some time ago. Mike G On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:39, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. Of SS?s I remember Gerry Lawrence as his party piece was to do an impression of Derek Nimmo in the role of Noot in All Gas & Gaiters who spoke with a mild stammer. John Hartsorne was another who seemed to be there quite often. What happen to them? Geoff On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. Mike G On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. B On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2, developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild. Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. Albert On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? Geoff On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: ? John Braban too lovely man Sent from my iPad On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 16 10:33:12 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:33:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: References: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com> <9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com> <54D49E81-AD9C-4DCD-B8D0-F73B9D95CCB3@mac.com> Message-ID: Yes Barry ~ I knew you?d come up trumps (if trump isn?t now a dirty word!) ~ Gerry Borrows was indeed the name that had escaped me. What a lot of nice people we have known. Mike G > On 16 Jan 2021, at 15:08, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > > I was on a crew with Jerry Lawrence as my SA1, nice guy, he eventually went to AP but sadly is no longer with us. The other ?..awfully nice.." Gerry you may be thinking of Mike maybe Gram Op Gerry Borrows, also deceased. Yes, John Hartshorn is also no longer with us?Dangerous place the Earth! > Barry. > > > > On 16 Jan 2021, at 14:07, Peter Neill via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Do you mean Jerry Lawrence? (SA1) >> >> He went to OU at Milton Keynes along with Linton Howell-Hughes and Wilf Eynon - Possibly before you arrived from Bristol, Mike. >> >> >> >> >> >> Peter Neill >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 16 Jan 2021, at 12:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> I don?t remember a Gerry Lawrence, Geoff, but I?m embarrassed to say that I can?t think of the surname of the awfully nice Gerry that you are probably thinking of, although I can see his face and hear his voice ~ others (probably Barry) will be able to remind us. And the other name you mentioned was John Hartshorn, who died some time ago. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> >>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:39, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember that too and he wasn?t the only one to sit at the back of Pres A gallery between trails but he was among the nicest and most affable. >>>> Of SS?s I remember Gerry Lawrence as his party piece was to do an impression of Derek Nimmo in the role of Noot in All Gas & Gaiters who spoke with a mild stammer. John Hartsorne was another who seemed to be there quite often. What happen to them? >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> Yes indeed, Ray was a joy to work with and he had that knack of making it seem as though he knew you quite well. When doing trails, rather than sitting alone in the booth while awaiting the next bit of business, he?d often pop into the control room for a chat and as the sound desk was on the far end of the set up in Pres A, it was often the SS that he would engage in conversation. >>>>> >>>>> Mike G >>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? We'd go down to the bar and he'd have a large Tantine and a full strength Park Drive. It gave him his very special voice. I'd say "That stuff will kill you, Ray" and sadly, it did. >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15/01/2021 20:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> Ray Moore. Only he was booked as Danial Christianson. Lovely man. Would go off in between junctions for a swift pint. Never drunk though. >>>>>>> From 1980, until his last show on 28 January 1988, he hosted the early morning show on BBC Radio 2 , developing an idiosyncratic broadcasting style which relied on a highly individual, gentle and sophisticated wit and repartee. He was married to Alma Mather, They married in 1969. A heavy smoker, Moore was diagnosed with throat cancer in 1987, and he died on 11 January 1989 just over a week after his 47th birthday. >>>>>>> In 1989, he posthumously won the Outstanding Personal Contribution to Radio award from the Broadcasting Press Guild . >>>>>>> Liked him very much so sorry that he died young. >>>>>>> Albert >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:52, Geoffrey Hawkes > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was another nice one called Ray something, do you remember him? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 17:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? John Braban too lovely man >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 16:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? 36 years ago I made some trails for New Year 86, this one for instance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjs7SKs_Ag&t=72s >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This afternoon I've been making up some titles for a review of 2020 being made by my U3A group. Needs brightening up, obviously. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I really need that music again, but I had no idea after all this time what it was. So I downloaded onto my phone an app called SoundHound, which haven't used in very many years. I had only run a very short section when it told me the answer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stravinsky Symphony in C >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Jan 16 10:41:40 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:41:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] A little piece of magic In-Reply-To: <7F553CFCD37B4DC6B0732714F1FB2342@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <02C37A17-A00E-478E-A31F-CC208628D127@mac.com><9AEABCB3-11B4-421D-B3CE-6C6CCFC0349D@gmail.com><54D49E81-AD9C-4DCD-B8D0-F73B9D95CCB3@mac.com> <7F553CFCD37B4DC6B0732714F1FB2342@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <58efce8028davesound@btinternet.com> I kept in touch with John Hartshorn regularly after leaving the BBC. I'd sold him a car which still needed servicing. ;-) And as you said a mine of usually correct information. Sadly, he never got to terms with his demons which got him in the end. In article <7F553CFCD37B4DC6B0732714F1FB2342 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I must remember to let you know when I?ve passed away Barry as you seem to be the most reliable repository for such information! Dead right that both Jerry Lawrence and Gerry Borrows were well up there with the really nice guys. John Hartshorn was fine but expressed his opinions let us say ?forcibly?, often on the topic of Hi Fi equipment in which area he was pretty knowledgeable. I find over and over again on this forum memories flooding back which my brain had long since archived and I really value the many posts that bring that about. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 15:46:09 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 21:46:09 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Screen Format on Casualty Message-ID: <000001d6ec51$00243f90$006cbeb0$@gmail.com> Watching Casualty tonight I noticed there was a small amount of letterboxing. Someone mentioned this when we were complaining about the camerawork on the first episode of the current series three weeks ago but I can't remember what was said. 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Peter Fox From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 17:01:55 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 23:01:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes I had the same . Obviously a scamas I have no involvement with Lloyds. My wife got the same message but from HSBC. Alsi ignored. Geoff F On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 at 22:51, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > Just received two imessages saying ?LLOYDS ALERT: You have successfully > paired a new device on 16/01 at 9.32 if this was NOT you visit: > https:// (that looks nice and safe) then securedlogin (hyphen) lloydbank > (dot) com ? > Spot the their deliberate mistake (not mine) > > Text Message repeated about an hour later. > > > Peter Fox > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 17 04:01:26 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 10:01:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Screen Format on Casualty In-Reply-To: <000001d6ec51$00243f90$006cbeb0$@gmail.com> References: <000001d6ec51$00243f90$006cbeb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Shooting in a screen format that no-one has is one of life?s mysteries, Geoff. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 16 Jan 2021, at 21:46, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: ? Watching Casualty tonight I noticed there was a small amount of letterboxing. Someone mentioned this when we were complaining about the camerawork on the first episode of the current series three weeks ago but I can?t remember what was said. Are they recoding it in 14x19 instead of 16x9 and if so, what would be the reason? I thought 16x9 was the British standard and assuming the show is made primarily for BBC1, why be different? 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What we used to call usenet? I still use them, via two free servers. Both stopped working a couple of days ago. I use news.aioe.org news.eternal-september.org I'd normally ask if there was a problem with one or the other on a newsgroup. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Jan 17 06:49:57 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:49:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsgroups. In-Reply-To: <58f03cbad1davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f03cbad1davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <09D75071-A055-42A7-A61C-9AB493D954FC@icloud.com> Eternal September is still working for me. ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Jan 2021, at 12:45, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Any other newsgroup users here? What we used to call usenet? > > I still use them, via two free servers. Both stopped working a couple of > days ago. > > I use > > news.aioe.org > news.eternal-september.org > > I'd normally ask if there was a problem with one or the other on a > newsgroup. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 07:30:51 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 13:30:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Making Waves Message-ID: Anyone interested in sound will enjoy *Making Waves - The Art of Cinematic Sound (2019)*. It will be broadcast (again) tonight at 3 a.m. on Freeview channel 11 (Sky Arts). So, if you are not a night owl, just set your recorder. When I hear of the enormous amount of time sometimes spent on assembling the final soundtrack for a cinema film, it becomes obvious why TV productions cannot do the same. But this may be a blessing in disguise. Personally, I think that many film soundtracks are over engineered. I mean films in which every action has an accompanying sound, even when we would not normally hear that sound as the action is some distance away from us. I find this particularly annoying when the sound is so loud that it distracts from the action we see. KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 17 07:57:57 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 13:57:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60044264.1c69fb81.daf4d.a888@mx.google.com> Hi Peter, Don?t know if you saw my earlier posting, see below. The bank said that I had done the right thing to be suspicious, but confirmed that it was a genuine message. I received a text purporting to be from my bank, warning of fraudulent activity and asking me to call a number and quote a reference code. I didn?t, I called customer services, and through them spoke to the bank?s fraud dept. They confirmed the veracity of the text, as the ref code had originated from their dept. By this time I had opened up internet banking and could see that there was an unusual debit on my Mastercard, in favour of Amazon. Unusual because I never use Mastercard for Amazon purchases ? always Amex. The bank cancelled my card, and sent me a fresh one in three days. They also leant on Amazon and obtained a credit refund. I would have spotted it myself, as I regularly check the accounts, but the bank picked it up first! Received two attempted phone calls yesterday ? answer machine picked up ? call dropped. Rang back on the number displayed ? ? the number you dialled has not been recognised? So a borrowed fake number. Wish it were possible to find the address of these operators. I have a friend who flies the F35 Lightning fighter, maybe he could spare a missile or two! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Fox via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2021 22:51 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Scam Just received two imessages saying ?LLOYDS ALERT: You have successfully paired a new device on 16/01 at 9.32 if this was NOT you visit: https:// (that looks nice and safe) then securedlogin (hyphen) lloydbank (dot) com ? Spot the their deliberate mistake (not mine) Text Message repeated about an hour later. Peter Fox -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 17 08:50:29 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 14:50:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Making Waves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60044eb5.1c69fb81.3ee9b.af1b@mx.google.com> Ah, forgot that one, will set the machine, for tomorrow! You might be interested in the following tale from ?Fiddler on the Roof? There were several music numbers to shoot at Pinewood, and because of the playback defeating simultaneous recording of shouts, footstamps and general celebratory mayhem, we set up three Fisher boom mics into three Nagras ? L, C, R for three track stereo, and gave the choreographer and a couple of lead dancers the induction loop earpieces, which we employed for ?silent playback?. This was immensely successful and it took 15 minutes to achieve. Later, we were prevented from doing a similar exercise on a different number, as Director Norman Jewison was being hassled by the studio to vacate that stage. I learned later that it took the post crew around three weeks to build the FX tracks! Norman said that he wished he?d listened to David (the Production Mixer). Pat (This is me in the customised sound truck, it appeared in ?American Cinematographer? ? a night shot, probably for ?Sunrise Sunset?. Lit by a redhead scrounged from the sparks with a power feed from the genny.) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 17 January 2021 14:15 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Making Waves Anyone interested in sound will enjoy?Making Waves - The Art of Cinematic Sound (2019). It will be broadcast (again) tonight at 3 a.m. on Freeview channel 11 (Sky Arts). So, if you are not a night owl, just set your recorder. 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Graeme Wall > On 17 Jan 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 14:56:52 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 20:56:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <12B2731F-DAEF-42A1-ABCB-8F68ACDFF8AA@icloud.com> References: <6004a334.1c69fb81.3f364.a23f@mx.google.com> <12B2731F-DAEF-42A1-ABCB-8F68ACDFF8AA@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hasn't found the right fader Graeme. 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Along with all the teenage gurus who think they know what we want ? they don?t. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 17 January 2021 20:52 To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Lost for words Pat? ? Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Will Windows 10 do that, no effing way! > > Why change something that works!! > > I do have a friend who flies the F35 Lightning fighter, maybe he could > spare a couple of missiles to take out their HQ.? > > Along with all the teenage gurus who think they know what we want ? > they don?t. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Graeme Wall > *Sent: *17 January 2021 20:52 > *To: *patheigham > *Cc: *Tech ops > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] (no subject) > > Lost for words Pat? > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 17 15:10:35 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 21:10:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Sounds on TV? Message-ID: <6004a7cb.1c69fb81.2ae4f.da25@mx.google.com> Has anyone tried, and maybe succeeded to get BBC Sounds onto a ?Smart? TV? I can download the app to computer and tablet, but although signing in on the TV, with my BBC I-Player details, I get the logo, but no further. Also, typing in characters with the remote is a slow pain-in-the-proverbial exercise. Maybe there is a way of linking the TV to my laptop via Bluetooth. (The laptop communicates wirelessly with my router). As does the TV for i-Player and the other catch-up services. Freeview comes down the terrestrial aerial feed. Pat (Sorry Dave, If you get this twice, Mail on Windows 10 is appalling) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sadly, he never got to terms with his demons which got him in the end. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 16:01:16 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 22:01:16 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <12B2731F-DAEF-42A1-ABCB-8F68ACDFF8AA@icloud.com> References: <6004a334.1c69fb81.3f364.a23f@mx.google.com> <12B2731F-DAEF-42A1-ABCB-8F68ACDFF8AA@icloud.com> Message-ID: <002901d6ed1c$48001340$d80039c0$@gmail.com> For a change! -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 17 January 2021 20:52 To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Lost for words Pat? ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Jan 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 17 17:15:52 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 23:15:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: ?Pat, Vista was only an operating system, arguably Microsoft?s clunkies and worst. Outlook was part of Microsoft Office, not part of Vista. Windows 10 is an operating system, easily Microsoft?s best, and constantly being improved and updated. Microsoft 365 is Microsoft?s current version of what was until recently known as Office 365. Designed to complement Windows 10. Microsoft 365 includes (surprise, surprise): the full version of Outlook. What you need is Microsoft 365, not whatever it is you?re struggling with now. Windows 10 and 365 are both incredibly customisable, even to the point that you can make them incredibly simple if that?s what you need. Outlook also includes a ?sent? folder in which you can see which ?stories? you?ve sent us before!! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 17 Jan 2021, at 21:01, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Year, sorry, fighting the incredibly daft, stupid mail programme issued with Windows 10. Every time I type in the tech-ops address, it insists on putting up Dave Plowman?s link. I do have a few words about that! With Vista, I think I used Outlook, which did everything I needed, even filtering incoming messages to separate folder via mail rules. Will Windows 10 do that, no effing way! Why change something that works!! I do have a friend who flies the F35 Lightning fighter, maybe he could spare a couple of missiles to take out their HQ.? Along with all the teenage gurus who think they know what we want ? they don?t. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 17 January 2021 20:52 To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Lost for words Pat? ? Graeme Wall ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 17 17:35:40 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 23:35:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Plus_=C3=A7a_Change!?= Message-ID: <0134379f-3f8e-21ef-2e1c-732388a48f5e@btinternet.com> Sam wouldn't be surprised by today's idiots! 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Saturday is washing and ironing day so I started the washing after breakfast. It took ages to fill the machine but it started OK. By coffee time I found that the water had gone off altogether so I stopped the washing machine before the rinse cycles as I knew that it wouldn't carry on without water! At lunch time the water seemed to be back on, although quite low pressure, so I carried on with the washing. By the evening, the machine started beeping and showing a red warning light saying 'Check Inlet'! Sure enough, the water had gone off again! I turned the machine off and went to bed. This morning we were back to normal with water at it's normal pressure but a road nearby has ben closed and diversions posted! Doreen had a message on her mobile about her vaccination asking her to click on a link and make an appointment. Her phone is an ordinary? Nokia and you can't click on links! I managed to sort it out on the computer and she had the jab today at a local health centre. It was amazingly well organised in the car park at the health centre in an army tent ( with a spoof notice saying MASH Vaccination Centre!) . Over a dozen volunteers were there helping and she had no wait at all and didn't even feel the injection as it was just under the skin. I hadn't booked a date as I was hoping to get a local one as I didn't fancy waiting with 200 others at Epsom Racecourse. Grahame Haines spent an hour on line trying to get an appointment. Cheers, Dave From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 20:17:39 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 02:17:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Newsgroups. In-Reply-To: <58f03cbad1davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f03cbad1davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Before the internet became popular, I used usenet most of the time. On my Mac, I tried the two links Dave provided. The first one led me to the main server (nntp.aioe.org), so I clicked on that. I got: [image: Screen Shot 2021-01-18 at 01.55.52.png] The problem with that is, as Wikipedia states: Open Transport support was removed entirely from OS X starting with version 10.9 (Mavericks). Version 10.9 was released in 2013. I'm now using OS X version 10.13. The link to the backup server (news.aioe.org) gave me the same result. The link to the second site led to nothing ? a blank screen. KW On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 12:46, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Any other newsgroup users here? What we used to call usenet? > > I still use them, via two free servers. Both stopped working a couple of > days ago. > > I use > > news.aioe.org > news.eternal-september.org > > I'd normally ask if there was a problem with one or the other on a > newsgroup. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was one of the thousands told that. ;-) In article , Keith Wicks wrote: > Before the internet became popular, I used usenet most of the time. > On my Mac, I tried the two links Dave provided. > The first one led me to the main server (nntp.aioe.org), so I clicked on > that. I got: > [image: Screen Shot 2021-01-18 at 01.55.52.png] > The problem with that is, as Wikipedia states: > Open Transport support was removed entirely from OS X starting with version > 10.9 (Mavericks). > Version 10.9 was released in 2013. I'm now using OS X version 10.13. > The link to the backup server (news.aioe.org) gave me the same result. > The link to the second site led to nothing ? a blank screen. > KW > On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 12:46, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > > Any other newsgroup users here? What we used to call usenet? > > > > I still use them, via two free servers. Both stopped working a couple of > > days ago. > > > > I use > > > > news.aioe.org > > news.eternal-september.org > > > > I'd normally ask if there was a problem with one or the other on a > > newsgroup. ;-) > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Mon Jan 18 05:25:59 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:25:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam In-Reply-To: <60044264.1c69fb81.daf4d.a888@mx.google.com> References: <60044264.1c69fb81.daf4d.a888@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2590DE6A-230D-403F-BC05-676D77CD3400@zero51.force9.co.uk> I had a bank phone call a bit like Pat?s text a few years ago. I was in Arlanda airport in the middle of sorting out my check-in baggage, and the automatic voice call quoted a ring-back number. No way I could write that down. Bankers must imagine the whole world is like themselves, permanently sat at a desk, secretary or pencil poised. But I did the same as you and phoned the number on my card. It was a bit of a task getting through to the fraud department but it was genuine and someone had booked several days posh hotel stays back in England. It was interesting that they had picked that out as dodgy rather than my simultaneous spending in Sweden which, as we all know is dodgily foreign. But then again a week in a very posh hotel is definitely not ?me? in algorithm land. Cheap Group-ons excepted. Maybe bankers began to see a benefit in switching to easily recoverable text messaging rather than voice calls? One of those bank officials asked me for some more details which I thought redundant (ie they could see for themselves) and I declined to give it. Maybe they were testing how cautious I was? Maybe not. There is a fair bit of difference between calling back, as long as you don?t give up more than bare essentials, (better still don?t actually call it at all in case it?s a premium number scam) and the text messages like Geoff and I recently experienced, which include scammy web-address links! Later I remembered noticing that when I had bought the outbound Heathrow Express ticket (against my better judgement but my planned, free, Piccadilly tube journey was trashed.)... that the HE ticket booth man had immediately left his post and walked off round the back. Did he clone it? Could one insert a gadget in official Network Rail equipment? I have often wondered. Allegedly banks aren?t bothered with pursuing cases, and I said nothing about it but fancy him having to help police with their enquiries due to having a weak bladder! Peter Fox On 17 Jan 2021, at 13:58, patheigham wrote: ? Hi Peter, Don?t know if you saw my earlier posting, see below. The bank said that I had done the right thing to be suspicious, but confirmed that it was a genuine message. I received a text purporting to be from my bank, warning of fraudulent activity and asking me to call a number and quote a reference code. I didn?t, I called customer services, and through them spoke to the bank?s fraud dept. They confirmed the veracity of the text, as the ref code had originated from their dept. By this time I had opened up internet banking and could see that there was an unusual debit on my Mastercard, in favour of Amazon. Unusual because I never use Mastercard for Amazon purchases ? always Amex. The bank cancelled my card, and sent me a fresh one in three days. They also leant on Amazon and obtained a credit refund. I would have spotted it myself, as I regularly check the accounts, but the bank picked it up first! Received two attempted phone calls yesterday ? answer machine picked up ? call dropped. Rang back on the number displayed ? ? the number you dialled has not been recognised? So a borrowed fake number. Wish it were possible to find the address of these operators. I have a friend who flies the F35 Lightning fighter, maybe he could spare a missile or two! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Fox via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2021 22:51 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Scam Just received two imessages saying ?LLOYDS ALERT: You have successfully paired a new device on 16/01 at 9.32 if this was NOT you visit: https:// (that looks nice and safe) then securedlogin (hyphen) lloydbank (dot) com ? Spot the their deliberate mistake (not mine) Text Message repeated about an hour later. Peter Fox -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 18 05:59:40 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:59:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6005782c.1c69fb81.3af52.d322@mx.google.com> Thanks for your input, Nick. I do, in fact have 365 installed, so must see about organising Outlook. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 17 January 2021 23:16 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) ?Pat, Vista was only an operating system, arguably Microsoft?s clunkies and worst. Outlook was part of Microsoft Office, not part of Vista. Windows 10 is an operating system, easily Microsoft?s best, and constantly being improved and updated. Microsoft 365 is Microsoft?s current version of what was until recently known as Office 365. Designed to complement Windows 10. Microsoft 365 includes (surprise, surprise): the full version of Outlook. What you need is Microsoft 365, not whatever it is you?re struggling with now. Windows 10 and 365 are both incredibly customisable, even to the point that you can make them incredibly simple if that?s what you need. Outlook also includes a ?sent? folder in which you can see which ?stories? you?ve sent us before!! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 18 06:33:00 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:33:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: ?The thing is, in my experience, when people start swearing at their computers, even to the extent of threatening them and their creators with Lightnings and missile attacks, it?s usually them (or me!) doing something stupid, not the computer! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Jan 2021, at 11:59, patheigham wrote: ? Thanks for your input, Nick. I do, in fact have 365 installed, so must see about organising Outlook. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 17 January 2021 23:16 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) ?Pat, Vista was only an operating system, arguably Microsoft?s clunkies and worst. Outlook was part of Microsoft Office, not part of Vista. Windows 10 is an operating system, easily Microsoft?s best, and constantly being improved and updated. Microsoft 365 is Microsoft?s current version of what was until recently known as Office 365. Designed to complement Windows 10. Microsoft 365 includes (surprise, surprise): the full version of Outlook. What you need is Microsoft 365, not whatever it is you?re struggling with now. Windows 10 and 365 are both incredibly customisable, even to the point that you can make them incredibly simple if that?s what you need. Outlook also includes a ?sent? folder in which you can see which ?stories? you?ve sent us before!! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Jan 18 06:41:41 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:41:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <6005782c.1c69fb81.3af52.d322@mx.google.com> References: <6005782c.1c69fb81.3af52.d322@mx.google.com> Message-ID: < What you need is Microsoft 365, not whatever it is you?re struggling with now.> Not too sure why anyone pays Microsoft etc for this sort of product. Thunderbird fulfils Outlook's function very effectively for nothing, and LibreOffice does virtually everything that the classic Office suite does. There are programs that you need to pay for, but generally speaking the everyday stuff has been cloned, or even improved upon, in the "free" sector. That includes the Antivirus, registry cleaner, backup etc fields. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 18 07:00:28 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:00:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam In-Reply-To: <2590DE6A-230D-403F-BC05-676D77CD3400@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <60044264.1c69fb81.daf4d.a888@mx.google.com> <2590DE6A-230D-403F-BC05-676D77CD3400@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <6005866c.1c69fb81.435a6.17c5@mx.google.com> I make it a rule that my credit cards never leave my hand or wallet. Some time ago, I was treating friends to a pub lunch, and the bar staff wanted to hold on to my card ? no way. They were happy to see where we sat, in case we did a bunk without paying. If the establishment doesn?t use a remote reader at the table, then I always go to the counter and insert and retrieve the card myself. A case on Crimewatch featured a cashier, who still holding the customer?s card, faked dropping a pen, ducked under the till and surreptitiously swiped the card on a cloning reader. He was caught as there was a CCTV camera above his till! The Police Neighbourhood Watch newsletters are always warning about protecting your PIN at cashpoints, in case there?s a villain looking over your shoulder, dropping a ten pound note to distract you, then seizing the card from the slot. Or having installed a sneaky camera viewing the keypad, or a cloning slot. A friend had his wallet lifted, getting off the Eurostar in Paris ? struggling with luggage he just stuffed it in his back pocket ? wrong! His card was debited with approx. ?10,000, mostly high-end clothes, so there must have been collusion by the merchant if they didn?t have the PIN. After a lot of heated conversations, his bank refunded the money. Stay safe with health, and money! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Fox Sent: 18 January 2021 11:26 To: patheigham Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scam Later I remembered noticing that when I had bought the outbound Heathrow Express ticket (against my better judgement but my planned, free, Piccadilly tube journey was trashed.)... that the HE ticket booth man had immediately left his post and walked off round the back. Did he clone it? Could one insert a gadget in official Network Rail equipment? ?I have often wondered. Allegedly banks aren?t bothered with pursuing cases, and I said nothing about it but fancy him having to help police with their enquiries due to having a weak bladder! Peter Fox -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Jan 18 07:46:09 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:46:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam In-Reply-To: <6005866c.1c69fb81.435a6.17c5@mx.google.com> References: <6005866c.1c69fb81.435a6.17c5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <788B6E61-803D-49BF-A237-1FED24A4E009@icloud.com> One advantage of using apps like Apple Pay, I authorise the payment with my fingerprint on my phone, much more difficult to copy or clone that Graeme Wall > On 18 Jan 2021, at 13:01, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I make it a rule that my credit cards never leave my hand or wallet. Some time ago, I was treating friends to a pub lunch, and the bar staff wanted to hold on to my card ? no way. They were happy to see where we sat, in case we did a bunk without paying. If the establishment doesn?t use a remote reader at the table, then I always go to the counter and insert and retrieve the card myself. A case on Crimewatch featured a cashier, who still holding the customer?s card, faked dropping a pen, ducked under the till and surreptitiously swiped the card on a cloning reader. He was caught as there was a CCTV camera above his till! > The Police Neighbourhood Watch newsletters are always warning about protecting your PIN at cashpoints, in case there?s a villain looking over your shoulder, dropping a ten pound note to distract you, then seizing the card from the slot. > Or having installed a sneaky camera viewing the keypad, or a cloning slot. > A friend had his wallet lifted, getting off the Eurostar in Paris ? struggling with luggage he just stuffed it in his back pocket ? wrong! > His card was debited with approx. ?10,000, mostly high-end clothes, so there must have been collusion by the merchant if they didn?t have the PIN. After a lot of heated conversations, his bank refunded the money. > > Stay safe with health, and money! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Peter Fox > Sent: 18 January 2021 11:26 > To: patheigham > Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scam > > Later I remembered noticing that when I had bought the outbound Heathrow Express ticket (against my better judgement but my planned, free, Piccadilly tube journey was trashed.)... that the HE ticket booth man had immediately left his post and walked off round the back. Did he clone it? Could one insert a gadget in official Network Rail equipment? I have often wondered. Allegedly banks aren?t bothered with pursuing cases, and I said nothing about it but fancy him having to help police with their enquiries due to having a weak bladder! > > > Peter Fox > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon Jan 18 07:51:14 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:51:14 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009f01d6eda0$fce6c220$f6b44660$@pgtmedia.co.uk> The website still give ?in receipt of a pension? and requires a pension number to join. I have been unable to find reference to the change anywhere on its website. Paul From: Tech1 On Behalf Of SUSAN MALDEN via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2021 13:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension Good New Year News - BBCPA opens up membership to deferred pensioners >From 1 Nov 2020 members of the BBC Pension Scheme who have a deferred pension in the Scheme will now be eligible to join the BBCPA. You can join online at https://bbcpa.org.uk/ This will include anyone who has a pension arrangement into which the BBC has contributed but the pension has not yet come into payment. Membership of BBCPA would enable deferred pensioners to enjoy all the benefits of BBCPA membership, including access to the support team on pension matters relating to the BBC Pension Scheme and benefit from a range of special offers and discounts. Want to know more or join contact membership at bbcpa.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 18 08:27:48 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:27:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60059ae4.1c69fb81.b3ed7.62b5@mx.google.com> I wish that BBCPA had been operative a few years after I left in 1968. I had left my pension in, in case I re-joined. I didn?t, so my pensions advisor, who set up the SERA annuities plan thought that he could place the fund more efficiently. When asking what the fund stood at, the BBC came back with that as I had left before everything was computerised, they had no record of any pension fund for me. I had kept all the correspondence about leaving the pension in, and after six months, it was found! The worth was around ?3K which was placed as a one-off subscription with the Prudential. It came in very handy when the other plans matured. I couldn?t believe that the BBC were about to waltz off with my contributions, blatantly denying all knowledge. I would entreat anyone who has a deferred pension to check and make sure it?s still valid! Pat Heigham TVC 1962-68 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: SUSAN MALDEN via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2021 13:39 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension Good New Year News - BBCPA opens up membership to deferred pensioners >From 1 Nov 2020 members of the BBC Pension Scheme who have a deferred pension in the Scheme will now be eligible to join the BBCPA. You can join online at https://bbcpa.org.uk/ This will include anyone who has a pension arrangement into which the BBC has contributed but the pension has not yet come into payment. Membership of BBCPA would enable deferred pensioners to enjoy all the benefits of BBCPA membership, including access to the support team on pension matters relating to the BBC Pension Scheme and benefit from a range of special offers and discounts. Want to know more or join contact membership at bbcpa.org.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 18 08:38:21 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:38:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c@mx.google.com> I?m getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it?s equivalent to blackmail. Pat (ordering up the straightjacket) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2021 12:33 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) ?The thing is, in my experience, when people start swearing at their computers, even to the extent of threatening them and their creators with Lightnings and missile attacks, it?s usually them (or me!) doing something stupid, not the computer! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Jan 2021, at 11:59, patheigham wrote: ? Thanks for your input, Nick. I do, in fact have 365 installed, so must see about organising Outlook. ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon Jan 18 08:39:32 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:39:32 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ad01d6eda7$bc974580$35c5d080$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Nick, Sadly not quite that simple as Microsoft use the same or similar names to mean different things! ?Outlook Express? was not part of ?office? but was included in a number of operating systems. Debatable whether it was part of the OS or a separate included App. Included up until XP and quite a few people managed to continue to use it with the dreadful ?Vista? Officially Vista was the start of ?Windows Mail? (Sometimes called Windows live, to cause maximum confusion with the ?live? accounts. ) Windows Mail is still available for free with Windows 10 (Including a sent box!) All along ?Outlook? (which is different to ?Outlook Express?) has been available under various names as part of ?office? and Outlook 365. I think office 2019 is the latest ?machine based? buy it and us it until your machine breaks version. Office or Microsoft 365 is a subscription based , pay every year version / plan I have ignored the ?free? Outlook for Android and Outlook for IOS? (PS typed this on office 2016) (PPS postage stamps are still available, at a high price) Paul Thackray From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 17 January 2021 23:16 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) ?Pat, Vista was only an operating system, arguably Microsoft?s clunkies and worst. Outlook was part of Microsoft Office, not part of Vista. Windows 10 is an operating system, easily Microsoft?s best, and constantly being improved and updated. Microsoft 365 is Microsoft?s current version of what was until recently known as Office 365. Designed to complement Windows 10. Microsoft 365 includes (surprise, surprise): the full version of Outlook. What you need is Microsoft 365, not whatever it is you?re struggling with now. Windows 10 and 365 are both incredibly customisable, even to the point that you can make them incredibly simple if that?s what you need. Outlook also includes a ?sent? folder in which you can see which ?stories? you?ve sent us before!! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 17 Jan 2021, at 21:01, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: ? Year, sorry, fighting the incredibly daft, stupid mail programme issued with Windows 10. Every time I type in the tech-ops address, it insists on putting up Dave Plowman?s link. I do have a few words about that! With Vista, I think I used Outlook, which did everything I needed, even filtering incoming messages to separate folder via mail rules. Will Windows 10 do that, no effing way! Why change something that works!! I do have a friend who flies the F35 Lightning fighter, maybe he could spare a couple of missiles to take out their HQ.? Along with all the teenage gurus who think they know what we want ? they don?t. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 17 January 2021 20:52 To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Lost for words Pat? ? Graeme Wall _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled attachment 00028.txt URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Jan 18 08:40:13 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:40:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension In-Reply-To: <60059ae4.1c69fb81.b3ed7.62b5@mx.google.com> References: <60059ae4.1c69fb81.b3ed7.62b5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We had a case in the BBCPA recently although not the same, where we saved the person a considerable sum as well. Good value at ?15! Best Albert Sent from my iPad > On 18 Jan 2021, at 14:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I wish that BBCPA had been operative a few years after I left in 1968. I had left my pension in, in case I re-joined. > I didn?t, so my pensions advisor, who set up the SERA annuities plan thought that he could place the fund more efficiently. > When asking what the fund stood at, the BBC came back with that as I had left before everything was computerised, they had no record of any pension fund for me. > I had kept all the correspondence about leaving the pension in, and after six months, it was found! > The worth was around ?3K which was placed as a one-off subscription with the Prudential. It came in very handy when the other plans matured. > I couldn?t believe that the BBC were about to waltz off with my contributions, blatantly denying all knowledge. > I would entreat anyone who has a deferred pension to check and make sure it?s still valid! > Pat Heigham > TVC 1962-68 > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: SUSAN MALDEN via Tech1 > Sent: 18 January 2021 13:39 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pension > > Good New Year News - BBCPA opens up membership to deferred pensioners > > From 1 Nov 2020 members of the BBC Pension Scheme who have a deferred pension in the Scheme will now be eligible to join the BBCPA. 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 18 09:01:10 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 15:01:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Birthday celebrations Message-ID: <6005a2b7.1c69fb81.4a7c5.886e@mx.google.com> I used to spend my birthdays with good friends, possibly on a steam train dining experience. Come 2017 (my 75th), Nigel thought we should go see ?42nd Street?. It was so good, that I wanted to take all my friends from way back when, instead of a bun-fight in the village hall. The first group took me to supper at Joe Allen?s, an American style restaurant, afterwards and presented me with a lovely book on the history of musicals. Not everyone could manage the same day, so I ended up taking various groups of friends for several visits and I went ten times in all, throughout 2019. A filmed version is available on the streaming service from BroadwayHD. It is unavailable to us in the UK due to Digital Rights Management. However, the official Hi Def version was streamed on YouTube for two nights a few weeks ago, and a good ex-BBC friend managed to make me a BluRay disc off a download. So I?ve been busy during lockdown, burning DVD?s for friends who had attended the show. It gives me pleasure to package them in proper cases and to create the cover insert wrap. Attached is what I?ve come up with, using ?borrowed? images off the internet or scanned from the programme. No, I won?t be setting up a stall in Portobello Market - promise! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 42nd Street DVD FullWrap 14mm.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 298071 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 18 09:01:01 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 15:01:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c@mx.google.com> References: <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58f0ccf4dbdavesound@btinternet.com> Where have you been hiding, Pat? This has been going on from the very start of domestic computers. In article <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I?m getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that > the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are > sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so > much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or > support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new > version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it?s > equivalent to blackmail. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 18 10:18:10 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:18:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: <58f0ccf4dbdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f0ccf4dbdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Not just computers. My wife bought this Nissan Essenza a few years back. Basically a sporty soft-top Micra. After about three years the complex roof mechanism and seals started leaking badly, but already by then, no replacement parts were available for it. Soon after, squirrels got in and nested and gnawed through cable looms under the bonnet. Ditto, no spares. The car was a write-off. But the Nissan dealership did do a good sales pitch on a pre-registered ?demo? Juke - which she still has. (Also got eaten by squirrels, despite ultrasonic deterrents, but we managed to do some DIY repairs.) Cheers, Nick. [cid:32639CF8-390B-4356-8A27-4577112D8E21]Q Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Jan 2021, at 15:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: ?Where have you been hiding, Pat? This has been going on from the very start of domestic computers. In article <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I'm getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it's equivalent to blackmail. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1058575 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 18 10:18:26 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:18:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence Message-ID: ?Not just computers. My wife bought this Nissan Essenza a few years back. Basically a sporty soft-top Micra. After about three years the complex roof mechanism and seals started leaking badly, but already by then, no replacement parts were available for it. Soon after, squirrels got in and nested and gnawed through cable looms under the bonnet. Ditto, no spares. The car was a write-off. But the Nissan dealership did do a good sales pitch on a pre-registered ?demo? Juke - which she still has. (Also got eaten by squirrels, despite ultrasonic deterrents, but we managed to do some DIY repairs.) Cheers, Nick. [cid:32639CF8-390B-4356-8A27-4577112D8E21]Q Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Jan 2021, at 15:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: ?Where have you been hiding, Pat? This has been going on from the very start of domestic computers. In article <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I'm getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it's equivalent to blackmail. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The user had to load in whichever according to the program they were going to use. The stronger dog won domination of the pack and, as they say, the rest is history. Does anyone else remember that? Geoff PS All messages have subjects, we just don't always remember to add one when we begin a fresh stream, so as I can't remember how this started, I've changed it now. Feel free to choose your own -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2021 15:01 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Where have you been hiding, Pat? This has been going on from the very start of domestic computers. In article <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I'm getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that > the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are > sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so > much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or > support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new > version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it's > equivalent to blackmail. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 18 12:34:46 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:34:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000601d6edb2$51553ab0$f3ffb010$@gmail.com> References: <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c@mx.google.com> <000601d6edb2$51553ab0$f3ffb010$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6005d4c6.1c69fb81.349c2.0fde@mx.google.com> No, Dave D, I?m sure I don?t. I refuse to kowtow to American spelling. This is another insidious take-over! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 18 January 2021 15:55 To: 'patheigham' Subject: RE: [Tech1] (no subject) Pat, I?m sure you mean programs Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2021 14:38 To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) I?m getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it?s equivalent to blackmail. Pat (ordering up the straightjacket) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 18 12:48:35 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:48:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <58f0ccf4dbdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> That looks like a sporty jalopy, Nick. Where I live are many trees which harbour loads of grey squirrels. They get into the lofts by gnawing the fascias where the scroll roof tiles meet. I ejected three from my loft, and then went round and put in balls of chicken wire under all the scroll tiles arch. They gnaw the electric cables which can lead to fire risk. The only way to rid them is with a 410 shotgun! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2021 16:18 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence Not just computers. My wife bought this Nissan Essenza a few years back. Basically a sporty soft-top Micra. After about three years the complex roof mechanism and seals started leaking badly, but already by then, no replacement parts were available for it. Soon after, squirrels got in and nested and gnawed through cable looms under the bonnet. Ditto, no spares. The car was a write-off. But the Nissan dealership did do a good sales pitch on a pre-registered ?demo? Juke - which she still has. (Also got eaten by squirrels, despite ultrasonic deterrents, but we managed to do some DIY repairs.) Cheers, Nick. Q Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Jan 2021, at 15:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: ?Where have you been hiding, Pat? This has been going on from the very start of domestic computers. In article <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c at mx.google.com>, ??patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I'm getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it's equivalent to blackmail. -- ???Dave Plowman ????dave at davesound.co.uk ????London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The only way to rid them is with a 410 shotgun! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2021 16:18 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence Not just computers. My wife bought this Nissan Essenza a few years back. Basically a sporty soft-top Micra. After about three years the complex roof mechanism and seals started leaking badly, but already by then, no replacement parts were available for it. Soon after, squirrels got in and nested and gnawed through cable looms under the bonnet. Ditto, no spares. The car was a write-off. But the Nissan dealership did do a good sales pitch on a pre-registered ?demo? Juke - which she still has. (Also got eaten by squirrels, despite ultrasonic deterrents, but we managed to do some DIY repairs.) Cheers, Nick. (Deleted pic) Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Jan 2021, at 15:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: ?Where have you been hiding, Pat? This has been going on from the very start of domestic computers. In article <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I'm getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it's equivalent to blackmail. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com [cid:32639CF8-390B-4356-8A27-4577112D8E21] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The house was built with some undulating roof tiles and the ones along the bottom row were supposed to be special ones with the gaps closed off, but either at the time it was built, or after replacing tiles lost in storms, the ordinary tiles were installed along most of the bottom row, leaving nice little gaps just right for squirrels to squeeze through. Like Pat, I found that the only solution was to put scrunched up chicken wire under the tiles. The little devils gnawed through just about any other filler and chicken wire not only stopped them, but still allowed ventilation. Once inside the loft, the squirrels gnawed everything in sight, wooden joists, electrical wiring and even some of my less-used equipment. Before using chicken wire, I tried sourcing the original type of roofing tiles from an architectural salvage yard. They had lots of the ordinary ones for a pound each, but only a very few of the closed-off ones. The asking price was ?25 each because they were so rare. This was more than thirty years ago and we would have needed about thirty to forty, which he didn?t have, even if we were prepared to pay his prices. Obsolete materials can also work in your favour. That house had a large glazed porch and somebody smashed one of the smaller panes of glass. Matching up the exact type of glass, referred to as a specific pitch of broad reeded, was going to be difficult because that glass had only been manufactured for a short period about 70 years ago and was only available these days via salvage specialists. I found such a place and the price they quoted was eye watering. I happened to mention that we had nine other large panels and having an odd one would look strange. The dealer asked the sizes of the other panes and suggested that we considered replacing all the glass with modern toughened glass, but if we could get the original glass carefully removed, he would buy any intact pieces for an excellent price. He was very keen to get the old glass as it was rarely found in such large panes. He paid roughly the same price for the old glass as we had to pay for the replacement modern toughened glass. Heaven only knows how much he subsequently sold it for. Alan Taylor > On 18 Jan 2021, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > That looks like a sporty jalopy, Nick. > Where I live are many trees which harbour loads of grey squirrels. They get into the lofts by gnawing the fascias where the scroll roof tiles meet. I ejected three from my loft, and then went round and put in balls of chicken wire under all the scroll tiles arch. They gnaw the electric cables which can lead to fire risk. The only way to rid them is with a 410 shotgun! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 18 January 2021 16:18 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence > > Not just computers. My wife bought this Nissan Essenza a few years back. Basically a sporty soft-top Micra. After about three years the complex roof mechanism and seals started leaking badly, but already by then, no replacement parts were available for it. Soon after, squirrels got in and nested and gnawed through cable looms under the bonnet. Ditto, no spares. The car was a write-off. But the Nissan dealership did do a good sales pitch on a pre-registered ?demo? Juke - which she still has. (Also got eaten by squirrels, despite ultrasonic deterrents, but we managed to do some DIY repairs.) > Cheers, > Nick. > > Q > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 18 Jan 2021, at 15:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Where have you been hiding, Pat? This has been going on from the very > start of domestic computers. > > > In article <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm getting more and more paranoid. 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Jan 18 14:39:56 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:39:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interesting! Message-ID: <65f8d006-b41b-e1b0-7298-3990f105cf52@btinternet.com> Thoughts for the end of the year. Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Thoughts.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 59305 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Jan 18 16:56:59 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 22:56:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B5FF509-1F23-4CEB-8986-446103BE0177@mac.com> We had a problem with birds nesting between the tiles and the roofing felt in our first house in Bristol. Similar situation with double Roman tiles which provided large entrance holes. Our son has vivid memories of seeing me perched at the edge of the roof (no scaffolding!) leaning forward to wrap wire netting up around the edges of the tiles. He would have been well under five at the time, but it obviously struck him even at that age as being something that H & S would frown upon. He now works for the CAA and NATS, preventing accidents! I can?t remember for the life of me why I didn?t do the job from a ladder. Mike G > On 18 Jan 2021, at 20:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > We had a problem with squirrels getting into the loft of my previous house at Newbury. The house was built with some undulating roof tiles and the ones along the bottom row were supposed to be special ones with the gaps closed off, but either at the time it was built, or after replacing tiles lost in storms, the ordinary tiles were installed along most of the bottom row, leaving nice little gaps just right for squirrels to squeeze through. Like Pat, I found that the only solution was to put scrunched up chicken wire under the tiles. The little devils gnawed through just about any other filler and chicken wire not only stopped them, but still allowed ventilation. > > Once inside the loft, the squirrels gnawed everything in sight, wooden joists, electrical wiring and even some of my less-used equipment. > > Before using chicken wire, I tried sourcing the original type of roofing tiles from an architectural salvage yard. They had lots of the ordinary ones for a pound each, but only a very few of the closed-off ones. The asking price was ?25 each because they were so rare. This was more than thirty years ago and we would have needed about thirty to forty, which he didn?t have, even if we were prepared to pay his prices. > > Obsolete materials can also work in your favour. That house had a large glazed porch and somebody smashed one of the smaller panes of glass. Matching up the exact type of glass, referred to as a specific pitch of broad reeded, was going to be difficult because that glass had only been manufactured for a short period about 70 years ago and was only available these days via salvage specialists. I found such a place and the price they quoted was eye watering. I happened to mention that we had nine other large panels and having an odd one would look strange. The dealer asked the sizes of the other panes and suggested that we considered replacing all the glass with modern toughened glass, but if we could get the original glass carefully removed, he would buy any intact pieces for an excellent price. He was very keen to get the old glass as it was rarely found in such large panes. He paid roughly the same price for the old glass as we had to pay for the replacement modern toughened glass. Heaven only knows how much he subsequently sold it for. > > Alan Taylor > > > >>> On 18 Jan 2021, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> That looks like a sporty jalopy, Nick. >> Where I live are many trees which harbour loads of grey squirrels. They get into the lofts by gnawing the fascias where the scroll roof tiles meet. I ejected three from my loft, and then went round and put in balls of chicken wire under all the scroll tiles arch. They gnaw the electric cables which can lead to fire risk. The only way to rid them is with a 410 shotgun! >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 >> Sent: 18 January 2021 16:18 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence >> >> Not just computers. My wife bought this Nissan Essenza a few years back. Basically a sporty soft-top Micra. After about three years the complex roof mechanism and seals started leaking badly, but already by then, no replacement parts were available for it. Soon after, squirrels got in and nested and gnawed through cable looms under the bonnet. Ditto, no spares. The car was a write-off. But the Nissan dealership did do a good sales pitch on a pre-registered ?demo? Juke - which she still has. (Also got eaten by squirrels, despite ultrasonic deterrents, but we managed to do some DIY repairs.) >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Q >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> >> On 18 Jan 2021, at 15:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Where have you been hiding, Pat? This has been going on from the very >> start of domestic computers. >> >> >> In article <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c at mx.google.com>, >> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I'm getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that >> the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are >> sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so >> much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or >> support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new >> version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it's >> equivalent to blackmail. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Jan 18 17:10:43 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 23:10:43 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Trump In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DBABE55EF9549C3A822301C6E2C6796@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Well that sums things up most succinctly! Love it. Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 8:34 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Trump Less than political, more a statement of fact! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 18:54:09 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 00:54:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <6005d4c6.1c69fb81.349c2.0fde@mx.google.com> References: <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c@mx.google.com> <000601d6edb2$51553ab0$f3ffb010$@gmail.com> <6005d4c6.1c69fb81.349c2.0fde@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Not a take-over at all! The word was originally used in Scotland and spelt *program*. Here's the Oxford English Dictionary entry: program, programme, n. (?pr??gr?m) Forms: ?. 7? program, (7 -grame). ?. 9? programme. See also programma. [In 17?18th c. Sc. use, in spelling program, ad. Gr.-L. programma, which was itself (c 1656?1820) also commonly used unchanged (see programma); about the beginning of the 19th c., reintroduced from F. programme, and now more usually so spelt (though not pronounced as F.); the earlier program was retained by Scott, Carlyle, Hamilton, and others, and would be preferable, as conforming to the usual English repr. of Gr. -??????, in anagram, cryptogram, diagram, telegram, etc. However, program and programme have become established as the standard N. Amer. and British spellings respectively, with the exception that program is usual everywhere in connection with Computing. This latter distinction is followed in this article and throughout the Dictionary in editorial matter.] KW On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 18:35, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > No, Dave D, I?m sure I don?t. I refuse to kowtow to American spelling. > > This is another insidious take-over! > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *David Denness > *Sent: *18 January 2021 15:55 > *To: *'patheigham' > *Subject: *RE: [Tech1] (no subject) > > > > Pat, > > I?m sure you mean programs > > Dave D > > > > *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of *patheigham > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 18 January 2021 14:38 > *To:* Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] (no subject) > > > > I?m getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that the > manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are sneakily and > insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so much on certain > programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or support, thus forcing the > requirement to purchase an update, or new version altogether. > > Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it?s equivalent to blackmail. > > Pat > > (ordering up the straightjacket) > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-390740381235965946_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 01:07:21 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 07:07:21 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c@mx.google.com> <000601d6edb2$51553ab0$f3ffb010$@gmail.com> <6005d4c6.1c69fb81.349c2.0fde@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000a01d6ee31$bb658890$323099b0$@gmail.com> Pat I rest my case?. Dave D From: Keith Wicks Sent: 19 January 2021 00:54 To: patheigham Cc: David Denness ; Dave Plowman via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Not a take-over at all! The word was originally used in Scotland and spelt program. Here's the Oxford English Dictionary entry: program, programme, n. (?pr??gr?m) Forms: ?. 7? program, (7 -grame). ?. 9? programme. See also programma. [In 17?18th c. Sc. use, in spelling program, ad. Gr.-L. programma, which was itself (c?1656?1820) also commonly used unchanged (see programma); about the beginning of the 19th c., reintroduced from F. programme, and now more usually so spelt (though not pronounced as F.); the earlier program was retained by Scott, Carlyle, Hamilton, and others, and would be preferable, as conforming to the usual English repr. of Gr. -??????, in anagram, cryptogram, diagram, telegram, etc. However, program and programme have become established as the standard N. Amer. and British spellings respectively, with the exception that program is usual everywhere in connection with Computing. This latter distinction is followed in this article and throughout the Dictionary in editorial matter.] KW On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 18:35, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: No, Dave D, I?m sure I don?t. I refuse to kowtow to American spelling. This is another insidious take-over! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 18 January 2021 15:55 To: 'patheigham' Subject: RE: [Tech1] (no subject) Pat, I?m sure you mean programs Dave D From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2021 14:38 To: Nick Ware >; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) I?m getting more and more paranoid. What inflames the paranoia is that the manufacturers and distributors of computers and programmes are sneakily and insidiously dictating our lives. Meaning that we rely so much on certain programmes that the big guys can withdraw them or support, thus forcing the requirement to purchase an update, or new version altogether. Call it marketing ploy if you like, I reckon it?s equivalent to blackmail. Pat (ordering up the straightjacket) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Jan 19 04:25:57 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:25:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 18/01/2021 20:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > We had a problem with squirrels getting into the loft of my previous > house at Newbury. > > My previous country mansion had a serious squirrel problem, particularly in the walled garden. One morning I got up and noticed a squirrel ripping unripe figs off the wall, so I nipped downstairs, grabbed the 12-bore, slipped on a pair of wellies, and crept round to get a good shot. Suitably dead tufty, and me stark naked except for the boots and cloud of cordite smoke.... Fortunately no neighbours to see. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 19 05:38:05 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 11:38:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000a01d6ee31$bb658890$323099b0$@gmail.com> References: <60059d5d.1c69fb81.b7986.eb1c@mx.google.com> <000601d6edb2$51553ab0$f3ffb010$@gmail.com> <6005d4c6.1c69fb81.349c2.0fde@mx.google.com> <000a01d6ee31$bb658890$323099b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6006c49c.1c69fb81.f2fac.9c6c@mx.google.com> Fair enough! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 19 January 2021 07:07 To: 'Keith Wicks'; 'patheigham' Cc: 'Dave Plowman via Tech1' Subject: RE: [Tech1] (no subject) Pat I rest my case?. Dave D From: Keith Wicks Sent: 19 January 2021 00:54 To: patheigham Cc: David Denness ; Dave Plowman via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Not a take-over at all! The word was originally used in Scotland and spelt program. Here's the Oxford English Dictionary entry: program, programme, n. (?pr??gr?m) Forms: ?. 7? program, (7 -grame). ?. 9? programme. See also programma. [In 17?18th c. Sc. use, in spelling program, ad. Gr.-L. programma, which was itself (c?1656?1820) also commonly used unchanged (see programma); about the beginning of the 19th c., reintroduced from F. programme, and now more usually so spelt (though not pronounced as F.); the earlier program was retained by Scott, Carlyle, Hamilton, and others, and would be preferable, as conforming to the usual English repr. of Gr. -??????, in anagram, cryptogram, diagram, telegram, etc. However, program and programme have become established as the standard N. Amer. and British spellings respectively, with the exception that program is usual everywhere in connection with Computing. This latter distinction is followed in this article and throughout the Dictionary in editorial matter.]? KW -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Jan 19 05:38:17 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 11:38:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> , Message-ID: You could have saved the cost of the cartridge, Chris. I?m sure the mere sight of a gun-toting naked Woolf in wellies would have been sufficient to frighten poor tufty to death. I trust no figs were harmed in the creation of this very disturbing mental image? And, does any of this give us a clue as to why you were kept hidden away in a walled garden? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 19 Jan 2021, at 10:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > My previous country mansion had a serious squirrel problem, particularly in the walled garden. One morning I got up and noticed a squirrel ripping unripe figs off the wall, so I nipped downstairs, grabbed the 12-bore, slipped on a pair of wellies, and crept round to get a good shot. > > Suitably dead tufty, and me stark naked except for the boots and cloud of cordite smoke.... Fortunately no neighbours to see. > > Chris Woolf > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Jan 19 06:45:01 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:45:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: So that was what was behind the green door? ? Graeme Wall > On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > You could have saved the cost of the cartridge, Chris. > I?m sure the mere sight of a gun-toting naked Woolf in wellies would have been sufficient to frighten poor tufty to death. > I trust no figs were harmed in the creation of this very disturbing mental image? > And, does any of this give us a clue as to why you were kept hidden away in a walled garden? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 19 Jan 2021, at 10:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> My previous country mansion had a serious squirrel problem, particularly in the walled garden. One morning I got up and noticed a squirrel ripping unripe figs off the wall, so I nipped downstairs, grabbed the 12-bore, slipped on a pair of wellies, and crept round to get a good shot. >> >> Suitably dead tufty, and me stark naked except for the boots and cloud of cordite smoke.... Fortunately no neighbours to see. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Jan 19 06:45:33 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:45:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nick, you ~know~ (from your bitter experience) that ~nothing~ deters a bloody squirrel - even my svelte self! No figs were damaged, though some leaves might have been a little less suitable for covering ones nakedness. Living well away from any neighbours ~does~ have significant advantages - if I'd had to get dressed the thieving vandal would have been away long before I locked or loaded. I also used to trap squirrels with a humane rat trap - quite effective, but you are then supposed to kill the buggers (inhumanely). In a rare (illegal) moment of kindness I decided to take one prisoner a mile away to some empty woodland. I also sprayed him with purple dye since I wasn't convinced he'd stay there. Sure enough by the time I'd driven home and parked the Landrover.... he was back, dancing through the trees. Another cartridge gone... Chris Woolf On 19/01/2021 11:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > You could have saved the cost of the cartridge, Chris. > I?m sure the mere sight of a gun-toting naked Woolf in wellies would have been sufficient to frighten poor tufty to death. > I trust no figs were harmed in the creation of this very disturbing mental image? > And, does any of this give us a clue as to why you were kept hidden away in a walled garden? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 19 Jan 2021, at 10:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> My previous country mansion had a serious squirrel problem, particularly in the walled garden. One morning I got up and noticed a squirrel ripping unripe figs off the wall, so I nipped downstairs, grabbed the 12-bore, slipped on a pair of wellies, and crept round to get a good shot. >> >> Suitably dead tufty, and me stark naked except for the boots and cloud of cordite smoke.... Fortunately no neighbours to see. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Jan 19 08:50:49 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 14:50:49 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Good game this. In our time in the West Somerset hills we too used a humane squirrel trap successfully on many occasions and never took a chance on anything less than 5 miles to a rehoming location, usually deep in woodland. Watching a squirrel in a cage trap of this type is an education in just how angry small creatures can get. It didn't help that our cats would sit staring in blank disbelief at the spectacle before them. Endless amusement living out in the wilds - one of our cats twice brought a weasel into the house, an experience that makes one aware that having no sense of smell might be no bad thing. We lived adjacent to a pheasant shoot, the rearing pens being quite close by. After release, the dispersion pattern often resulted in up to 20 or so birds in the garden, a circumstance not calculated to contribute to plant life survival. We rigged up, in sight of the conservatory, a dog cage of generous proportions with gate wide open and seeds/ nuts/ muesli as bait. A very long piece of string attached to the gate was fed through the keyhole of the conservatory door where we lay patiently in wait, ready to pull the gate shut at the crucial moment.. We caught loads but again each success triggered the need for a 5-mile drive. Pheasants could readily fly back you might think but their parents are not brilliant at passing on the details of this useful trick. The average pheasant is capable of walking up and down at the foot of a fence for an hour or more looking for a way through before flapping over or, just as likely, giving up and heading back whence it came. We always thought it no coincidence that pheasants have very small heads with presumably even smaller brains inside. Not too sure how much of a challenge the shooting would have been either, as driving the local lanes often brought one upon a gathering of several dozen who were so far from panicking it seemed a reasonable bet that opening a door might well have produced a bloodless capture or two. For sure none of this will be news to Ian Norman for instance and doubtless many others, but urban colleagues might raise an eyebrow. Pursuing the rural recollections a little further, grass snakes come to mind. We kept amongst the general menagerie a few alpacas, whose droppings make excellent manure which over the year we would make a substantial heap of. In a high rainfall area it was best to cover this once the early autumn had passed, which we did with stout Monarflex tarpaulin sheets. One spring, pulling back the sheets to access the composted manure revealed a group of several grass snakes, all well over 4 foot long. They were quite magnificent and afterwards, looking up the species details revealed they can make up to six feet. Quite a sight. Suddenly realised that 37 years there might produce a book if I had the energy! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 12:45 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence Nick, you ~know~ (from your bitter experience) that ~nothing~ deters a bloody squirrel - even my svelte self! No figs were damaged, though some leaves might have been a little less suitable for covering ones nakedness. Living well away from any neighbours ~does~ have significant advantages - if I'd had to get dressed the thieving vandal would have been away long before I locked or loaded. I also used to trap squirrels with a humane rat trap - quite effective, but you are then supposed to kill the buggers (inhumanely). In a rare (illegal) moment of kindness I decided to take one prisoner a mile away to some empty woodland. I also sprayed him with purple dye since I wasn't convinced he'd stay there. Sure enough by the time I'd driven home and parked the Landrover.... he was back, dancing through the trees. Another cartridge gone... Chris Woolf On 19/01/2021 11:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > You could have saved the cost of the cartridge, Chris. > I?m sure the mere sight of a gun-toting naked Woolf in wellies would have > been sufficient to frighten poor tufty to death. > I trust no figs were harmed in the creation of this very disturbing mental > image? > And, does any of this give us a clue as to why you were kept hidden away > in a walled garden? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 19 Jan 2021, at 10:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> My previous country mansion had a serious squirrel problem, particularly >> in the walled garden. One morning I got up and noticed a squirrel ripping >> unripe figs off the wall, so I nipped downstairs, grabbed the 12-bore, >> slipped on a pair of wellies, and crept round to get a good shot. >> >> Suitably dead tufty, and me stark naked except for the boots and cloud of >> cordite smoke.... Fortunately no neighbours to see. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 19 09:13:32 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 15:13:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6006f71c.1c69fb81.f2f32.d1b2@mx.google.com> This conjures up a memory of Michael Caine in ?Get Carter? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 19 January 2021 10:26 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence Suitably dead tufty, and me stark naked except for the boots and cloud of cordite smoke.... Fortunately no neighbours to see. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Jan 19 09:14:34 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 15:14:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 19/01/2021 14:50, David Newbitt wrote: [Angry squirrels] Very true - you really don't want to be on the wrong end of one of these little furies. Hence my admiration of a cat that could trounce them without suffering injury. [Daft pheasants] As to pheasants, that's interesting. We have a naturally reared population near us - no shooting here - and they don't cause any great problems. We even provide a poultry wheat feeder because the males wandering around look almost as good as peacocks, without the "murdered children" screaming. At this time of year the "girls" all gather in a coven and roam around as a band, only pairing up later. They do very little harm in the garden, and are beautiful to watch. Ours can certainly fly, if surprised, but barely bother to step out of the way as we walk past. Mind you, they are Cornish, so perhaps brighter than your average /phasianus./ If you have a serious infestation I can always recommend a recipe for the pastry to go over a pheasant pie.... Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 09:23:34 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 15:23:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <39465cdb-26e7-9e61-6cd5-5640163e38dd@gmail.com> It's a pity that pheasants are so boring to eat.?? On my first ever visit to Harrods, in my late teens, I felt that I had to take home something to my family, and I chose a pheasant, which cost me ?5 - a lot of money.? My mother then roasted it to dried up chewy stuff.?? Since then I tried at rare intervals to cook them to taste good, but it has never worked.? One of my family bought me various game for Christmas, including a pheasant, but luckily there are grouse too, which are much nicer. B PS - have you eaten squirrel? It not bad. PPS another thing we should be eating is signal crayfish. On 19/01/2021 15:14, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > > On 19/01/2021 14:50, David Newbitt wrote: > > [Angry squirrels] > > Very true - you really don't want to be on the wrong end of one of > these little furies. Hence my admiration of a cat that could trounce > them without suffering injury. > > [Daft pheasants] > > As to pheasants, that's interesting. We have a naturally reared > population near us - no shooting here - and they don't cause any great > problems. We even provide a poultry wheat feeder because the males > wandering around look almost as good as peacocks, without the > "murdered children" screaming. At this time of year the "girls" all > gather in a coven and roam around as a band, only pairing up later. > They do very little harm in the garden, and are beautiful to watch. > > Ours can certainly fly, if surprised, but barely bother to step out of > the way as we walk past. Mind you, they are Cornish, so perhaps > brighter than your average /phasianus./ > > If you have a serious infestation I can always recommend a recipe for > the pastry to go over a pheasant pie.... > > Chris Woolf > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Jan 19 10:02:46 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:02:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A peacock call can sound much like a child being murdered - not that I have murdered many children myself, but it does sound like you might imagine it. When we were shooting Box of Delights, Eastnor Castle was one of the main locations and they had some peacocks strutting around the grounds. They would sometimes make their call at annoying moments during recordings, so I made a wild track recording of one just in case it was needed in the dub to patch up an edit. There was a scene where one of our young heroes is kidnapped and taken away by boat on the lake. I realised that his screamed "help" sound was a bit like the peacock calls which had plagued our recordings, so I played the boy the wild track for reference and encouraged him to scream more like a peacock because in the story it elegantly explained why his loud cries were not noticed by his siblings who weren't far away. They would have dismissed his cry as yet another noisy peacock. Alan Taylor > On 19 Jan 2021, at 19 Jan . 15:14, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > We even provide a poultry wheat feeder because the males wandering around look almost as good as peacocks, without the "murdered children" screaming. At this time of year the "girls" all gather in a coven and roam around as a band, only pairing up later. 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Lived in Harrow most of his life. > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 16 January 2021 16:48 > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] A little piece of magic > I kept in touch with John Hartshorn regularly after leaving the BBC. I'd > sold him a car which still needed servicing. ;-) And as you said a mine of > usually correct information. Sadly, he never got to terms with his demons > which got him in the end. > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Tue Jan 19 10:31:55 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:31:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> , Message-ID: You mention that pheasants have small heads. When I were a lad, my dad kept hens in a large chicken run in the garden. We harvested the eggs OK, but when it came to killing them for eating, we relied on a wise old village geezer to do the strangling. His party trick was to hold a chicken still with its head close to the ground and draw a straight line of white chalk on the ground about two feet long, leading directly away from the chicken?s head. The chicken would then stay there completely hypnotised until he rubbed the line out, starting from the far end. He claimed that much of a bird?s brain is in its spinal cord, not its head. He shocked my sister and me the day he demonstrated that by hypnotising a bird as above, then slashed its head off. The headless chicken (hence the phrase) ran around for ages, still able to breathe. Gruesome, but fascinating to us horrible kids. Prior to Myxomatosis we ate more rabbits brought in by our two cats than I care to remember. I was quite happy to skin and gut them, but never much liked eating them. A very well known Missionary Bishop visiting our vicarage told us their flavour is very close to that of human flesh. I never discovered how he knew that. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 19 Jan 2021, at 14:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Good game this. In our time in the West Somerset hills we too used a humane squirrel trap successfully on many occasions and never took a chance on anything less than 5 miles to a rehoming location, usually deep in woodland. Watching a squirrel in a cage trap of this type is an education in just how angry small creatures can get. It didn't help that our cats would sit staring in blank disbelief at the spectacle before them. Endless amusement living out in the wilds - one of our cats twice brought a weasel into the house, an experience that makes one aware that having no sense of smell might be no bad thing. > > We lived adjacent to a pheasant shoot, the rearing pens being quite close by. After release, the dispersion pattern often resulted in up to 20 or so birds in the garden, a circumstance not calculated to contribute to plant life survival. We rigged up, in sight of the conservatory, a dog cage of generous proportions with gate wide open and seeds/ nuts/ muesli as bait. A very long piece of string attached to the gate was fed through the keyhole of the conservatory door where we lay patiently in wait, ready to pull the gate shut at the crucial moment.. We caught loads but again each success triggered the need for a 5-mile drive. Pheasants could readily fly back you might think but their parents are not brilliant at passing on the details of this useful trick. The average pheasant is capable of walking up and down at the foot of a fence for an hour or more looking for a way through before flapping over or, just as likely, giving up and heading back whence it came. > We always thought it no coincidence that pheasants have very small heads with presumably even smaller brains inside. Not too sure how much of a challenge the shooting would have been either, as driving the local lanes often brought one upon a gathering of several dozen who were so far from panicking it seemed a reasonable bet that opening a door might well have produced a bloodless capture or two. For sure none of this will be news to Ian Norman for instance and doubtless many others, but urban colleagues might raise an eyebrow. > > Pursuing the rural recollections a little further, grass snakes come to mind. We kept amongst the general menagerie a few alpacas, whose droppings make excellent manure which over the year we would make a substantial heap of. In a high rainfall area it was best to cover this once the early autumn had passed, which we did with stout Monarflex tarpaulin sheets. One spring, pulling back the sheets to access the composted manure revealed a group of several grass snakes, all well over 4 foot long. They were quite magnificent and afterwards, looking up the species details revealed they can make up to six feet. Quite a sight. > > Suddenly realised that 37 years there might produce a book if I had the energy! > > Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 19 12:09:01 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 18:09:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Squirrels In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6007203c.1c69fb81.b7986.5b02@mx.google.com> The little perishers that got into my loft were captured by the local pest control chap ? I asked him if he killed them. He told me that he releases them onto a farm a few miles away. One took over the dog?s bed and got aggressively territorial when the poor dog tried to reclaim his sleeping space. A tenant on our development had two lovely black cats, one of them managed to catch a squirrel, then tried to bring it in through the cat flap. Encountered difficulty as squirrel was protruding either side of cat?s mouth and wouldn?t get through. If they were reds, I would welcome them, but the greys are a pest. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 19 January 2021 10:26 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence On 18/01/2021 20:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > We had a problem with squirrels getting into the loft of my previous > house at Newbury. > > My previous country mansion had a serious squirrel problem, particularly in the walled garden. One morning I got up and noticed a squirrel ripping unripe figs off the wall, so I nipped downstairs, grabbed the 12-bore, slipped on a pair of wellies, and crept round to get a good shot. Suitably dead tufty, and me stark naked except for the boots and cloud of cordite smoke.... Fortunately no neighbours to see. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 12:28:32 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 18:28:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Squirrels In-Reply-To: <6007203c.1c69fb81.b7986.5b02@mx.google.com> References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> <6007203c.1c69fb81.b7986.5b02@mx.google.com> Message-ID: My brother in law's son who was in 2 Para, the Pathfinders, and accepted for the SAS before getting shot in Afghanistan and having to leave the army, says squirrels make good eating! Not sure I'd like to try them though. Geoff F. On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 18:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The little perishers that got into my loft were captured by the local pest > control chap ? I asked him if he killed them. He told me that he releases > them onto a farm a few miles away. One took over the dog?s bed and got > aggressively territorial when the poor dog tried to reclaim his sleeping > space. > > A tenant on our development had two lovely black cats, one of them managed > to catch a squirrel, then tried to bring it in through the cat flap. > Encountered difficulty as squirrel was protruding either side of cat?s > mouth and wouldn?t get through. > > If they were reds, I would welcome them, but the greys are a pest. > > > > Pat > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Chris Woolf via Tech1 > *Sent: *19 January 2021 10:26 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence > > > > > > On 18/01/2021 20:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > > We had a problem with squirrels getting into the loft of my previous > > > house at Newbury. > > > > > > > > My previous country mansion had a serious squirrel problem, particularly > > in the walled garden. One morning I got up and noticed a squirrel > > ripping unripe figs off the wall, so I nipped downstairs, grabbed the > > 12-bore, slipped on a pair of wellies, and crept round to get a good shot. > > > > Suitably dead tufty, and me stark naked except for the boots and cloud > > of cordite smoke.... Fortunately no neighbours to see. > > > > Chris Woolf > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#m_-191834744906102066_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Jan 19 12:46:19 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 18:46:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That really is quite a contrast in terms of garden impact Chris. Totally agree with you about decorative value though ? much as they were a thoroughgoing nuisance I did get great enjoyment from watching and photographing them and my wife and I were definitely not shooting fans. I?ve attached a few reduced file-size shots taken in the garden and field at our old cottage. I hope they just about squeeze by within the overall message size we need to observe. I remember once looking up why this size is significantly above the sum of the individual jpeg sizes but the grey cells haven?t retained the findings. Coincidence that you have a walled garden ? our present house is built within what was once the walled kitchen garden of the manor house in our village, the wall forming our Southern boundary at the end of the back garden. Three sides of the wall remain with six houses built therein. Dave Newbitt From: Chris Woolf Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:14 PM To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence On 19/01/2021 14:50, David Newbitt wrote: [Angry squirrels] Very true - you really don't want to be on the wrong end of one of these little furies. Hence my admiration of a cat that could trounce them without suffering injury. [Daft pheasants] As to pheasants, that's interesting. We have a naturally reared population near us - no shooting here - and they don't cause any great problems. We even provide a poultry wheat feeder because the males wandering around look almost as good as peacocks, without the "murdered children" screaming. 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He much preferred it to rabbit, which was another type of wild meat which was not rationed. When he was a teenager after the war, he used to shoot squirrels with a fairly powerful air rifle, again for meat. He reckons you need to be a pretty good shot as the head is the part to aim at, but they?re fast moving little devils so you have to hit them first shot. He would put down some bait and pop off a shot while they were feeding. I was told by a friend in Canada that a lot of Canadians and Americans still eat squirrel meat and it?s occasionally found on restaurant menus in some areas. I seem to recall a British chef putting squirrel on his menu and generating a lot of publicity. Alan Taylor > On 19 Jan 2021, at 18:29, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > ? > My brother in law's son who was in 2 Para, the Pathfinders, and accepted for the SAS before getting shot in Afghanistan and having to leave the army, says squirrels make good eating! Not sure I'd like to try them though. > Geoff F. > >> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 18:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> The little perishers that got into my loft were captured by the local pest control chap ? I asked him if he killed them. He told me that he releases them onto a farm a few miles away. One took over the dog?s bed and got aggressively territorial when the poor dog tried to reclaim his sleeping space. >> >> A tenant on our development had two lovely black cats, one of them managed to catch a squirrel, then tried to bring it in through the cat flap. Encountered difficulty as squirrel was protruding either side of cat?s mouth and wouldn?t get through. >> >> If they were reds, I would welcome them, but the greys are a pest. >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> Sent: 19 January 2021 10:26 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence >> >> >> >> >> >> On 18/01/2021 20:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> > We had a problem with squirrels getting into the loft of my previous >> >> > house at Newbury. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> My previous country mansion had a serious squirrel problem, particularly >> >> in the walled garden. 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Jan 19 18:39:46 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 00:39:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Squirrels In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> <6007203c.1c69fb81.b7986.5b02@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58f185c844davesound@btinternet.com> How things change. In the 1950s, my mother was very proud of her grey squirrel coat. ;-) We now call them tree rats. In article , Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > My brother in law's son who was in 2 Para, the Pathfinders, and accepted > for the SAS before getting shot in Afghanistan and having to leave the > army, says squirrels make good eating! Not sure I'd like to try them > though. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 20 01:22:37 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 07:22:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] ITV doco on Corona Virus last night Message-ID: <6007da3d.1c69fb81.79f61.2080@mx.google.com> I found this frightening. Various Governments don?t come out of it too well. It seems that a lot of grief could have been avoided if action was taken sooner. If you missed it it?s probably available via the ITV Hub catch-up. Pat (Dave P, I don?t know if you get messages twice. The Mail program for Windows 10 insists on using your named address to post to tech ops, and I cannot make it behave) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 20 01:38:55 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 07:38:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Squirrel coats Message-ID: <6007de0f.1c69fb81.e3317.1fae@mx.google.com> It?s now non-u to have and wear real fur coats ? wasn?t there a huge fuss about animals being slaughtered for their skins? Is the fur trade in Canada still active, I wonder? I?ve always thought that it would be cosy to wear the fur next to the skin! Helly Hanson thermal wear for yachtsmen and shivering film personnel on winter shoots has the furry layer on the inside. It?s very good to keep one warm on a freezing location, but there can be a problem if the shoot moves indoors, later, one has to strip off the thermals as it gets far too hot! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Jan 20 02:28:19 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 08:28:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Squirrel coats In-Reply-To: <6007de0f.1c69fb81.e3317.1fae@mx.google.com> References: <6007de0f.1c69fb81.e3317.1fae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Animal fur is still worn routinely in colder climates in Europe. I?ve seen loads of people wearing what appears to be real fur coats in the street in Germany and nobody gives them a second glance. You sometimes see them for sale in charity shops or flea markets. I?ve slept in a Nordic barbecue hut ( grill Kota ) where the bedding primarily consisted of reindeer skins and found them to be extremely cosy, almost too warm. Alan Taylor > On 20 Jan 2021, at 07:39, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > It?s now non-u to have and wear real fur coats ? wasn?t there a huge fuss about animals being slaughtered for their skins? > Is the fur trade in Canada still active, I wonder? > I?ve always thought that it would be cosy to wear the fur next to the skin! Helly Hanson thermal wear for yachtsmen and shivering film personnel on winter shoots has the furry layer on the inside. It?s very good to keep one warm on a freezing location, but there can be a problem if the shoot moves indoors, later, one has to strip off the thermals as it gets far too hot! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Jan 20 03:23:01 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 09:23:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Squirrel coats In-Reply-To: <6007f465.1c69fb81.83313.32fc@mx.google.com> References: <6007f465.1c69fb81.83313.32fc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <271987B2-27EE-44E1-9025-ABD5D29837AF@me.com> The word ? masochism? is derived from the writer Leopold von Sacher-Masoch. His most famous work is ?Venus in Furs? which explores amongst other things the erotic fascination of fur. Alan Taylor > On 20 Jan 2021, at 09:14, patheigham wrote: > > ? > I?ve often wondered about the masochistic idea of staying in the Arctic Ice Hotel, as depicted in ?Die Another Day? (007 2002). > However if the lovely Rosamund Pike came with the booking, it could be bearable! > Pat > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jan 20 03:54:54 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 09:54:54 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC funding Message-ID: <1502CEDE61294343B9F50D35B5408D11@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> So the Daily Express are again giving prominence to the views of John O?Connell, Chief Executive of the Taxpayers Alliance on the topic of the BBC being funded by the licence fee. DAILY EXPRESS ITEM BBC TV Licence fee shame as calls to cancel SOAR - 'Axe the tax and let public decide!' John O'Connell, chief executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, has said there is "no wonder millions of us have turned off the BBC" in recent years. It is the latest group to renew calls for scrapping the licence fee in 2021. The remarks follow a bombshell report by the National Audit Office which suggests a drastic shift in viewing habits show "uncertainty over the BBC's financial future". The report has said licence fee income is at risk because the corporation has been "slow to change" falling figures and has "no central strategy for tackling" the issue. Mr O'Connell referred to the BBC as Auntie in his critical comment - a phrase oft-used in the 1950s to contrast the organisation's prudish image with that of the brash ITV. He said: "It's no wonder millions of us have turned off the BBC. "Even after forcing pensioners to pay the telly tax on pain of imprisonment, Auntie's carried on splashing out on supersized star salaries and all-inclusive Hollywood holidays, leaving ratepayers to pick up the tab. "It's about time we axe the tax and let the British public decide what they want to watch." The NAO discussed the matter in its report, stating: "Falling audience share poses a financial risk as people are less likely to pay the licence fee if they do not view licensable content." The BBC's licence fee income fell by ?310 million between 2017-18 and 2019-20, to ?3.52 billion. Another example of selective spin being employed to further an agenda, irrespective of the fairness of argument used. Given the licence fee concession to older people was a government decided and funded initiative it is pretty rich to then starve the BBC of adequate financial resource and subsequently insist they should fund the licence concession themselves. Beyond that, explicitly ignoring the value of an independent publicly funded information service and instead using purely commercial criteria as a basis for judgement looks set fair to destroy something that simply cannot be rebuilt from scratch. It is sadly easy to inflame many in our society by suggesting that all forms of public funding are a rip-off to be opposed as a matter of principle. Much of present day media behave quite shamelessly in this area. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: clip_image001[2].png Type: image/png Size: 1985 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Jan 20 05:15:40 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 11:15:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 19/01/2021 18:46, David Newbitt wrote: > ... > Coincidence that you have a walled garden ? our present house is built > within what was once the walled kitchen garden of the manor house in > our village, the wall forming our Southern boundary at the end of the > back garden. Three sides of the wall remain with six houses built therein. > > > The walled garden was part of what was a country gentleman's private residence - Cornish Regency, built from the proceeds of arsenic mining. We ran the place as a smallholding for about 35 years. A walled garden makes enormous sense in the country since you can keep rabbits and deer out - but not squirrels. I gave up the place about 12 years ago after my first wife died - a bit too much to handle as well as my continuing design work. The 12-bore was pretty necessary for vermin control - a cheap Russian single-barrel job - but I've been able to give it up since moving to West Killatown. We still have the odd squirrel, but with woods further away, no serious vandalism. The pheasants don't need control and the deer (both red and roe) do very little harm (amazingly). Mind you, it is a little strange when they stroll up the road and look through the windows at you - never quite sure who's the owner;} You can certainly eat squirrel - they are veggie, unlike rats and badgers - and a Cornish butcher used to sell squirrel burgers (Warning - may contain nuts). Personally I couldn't be bothered to skin such a piddly creature for the sake of the haunch - the only part with enough meat to be worth eating. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s > very good to keep one warm on a freezing location, but there can be a > problem if the shoot moves indoors, later, one has to strip off the > thermals as it gets far too hot! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Jan 20 05:21:15 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 11:21:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] ITV doco on Corona Virus last night In-Reply-To: <6007da3d.1c69fb81.79f61.2080@mx.google.com> References: <6007da3d.1c69fb81.79f61.2080@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58f1c0825fdavesound@btinternet.com> I'd say it's very true that in most cases our government acted too late in terms of lock downs, etc. Even more so with this recent one. When it was pretty obvious weeks before the way things were going. I'm very used to seeing duplicate mails on here. And getting some from here direct to my general email - and not sure if they were intended to be a private comment, and not for group. In article <6007da3d.1c69fb81.79f61.2080 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I found this frightening. Various Governments don?t come out of it too > well. It seems that a lot of grief could have been avoided if action was > taken sooner. If you missed it it?s probably available via the ITV Hub > catch-up. Pat (Dave P, I don?t know if you get messages twice. The Mail > program for Windows 10 insists on using your named address to post to > tech ops, and I cannot make it behave) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 06:00:36 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 12:00:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass quiz Message-ID: This is really for Toby Hadoke, but it's a conclusion for Alec's Quatermass Quiz from last March -? see the bottom of the page. http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/quatermass-quiz/ B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jan 20 06:07:10 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 12:07:10 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1155A426C0444D4CACE9670498E6733A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Now that?s a cottage that looks comfortably settled in its environment ? the informal ?happy anywhere? valerian and the fledgling ?green roof? contributing nicely. Good that you?re on top of the squirrel issue. I recall the 1950?s when they were already seen as sufficient nuisance for countrymen to be paid 1/- per tail in an attempt to reduce the population, presumably the Min of Ag being the agency stumping up. This was our cottage in the hills towards the end of our time there plus an old B & W shot of what we actually bought. The locals thought at the time we were mad! You can imagine the amount of graft involved! Dave Newbitt. From: Chris Woolf Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 11:15 AM To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence On 19/01/2021 18:46, David Newbitt wrote: ... Coincidence that you have a walled garden ? our present house is built within what was once the walled kitchen garden of the manor house in our village, the wall forming our Southern boundary at the end of the back garden. Three sides of the wall remain with six houses built therein. The walled garden was part of what was a country gentleman's private residence - Cornish Regency, built from the proceeds of arsenic mining. We ran the place as a smallholding for about 35 years. A walled garden makes enormous sense in the country since you can keep rabbits and deer out - but not squirrels. I gave up the place about 12 years ago after my first wife died - a bit too much to handle as well as my continuing design work. The 12-bore was pretty necessary for vermin control - a cheap Russian single-barrel job - but I've been able to give it up since moving to West Killatown. We still have the odd squirrel, but with woods further away, no serious vandalism. The pheasants don't need control and the deer (both red and roe) do very little harm (amazingly). Mind you, it is a little strange when they stroll up the road and look through the windows at you - never quite sure who's the owner;} You can certainly eat squirrel - they are veggie, unlike rats and badgers - and a Cornish butcher used to sell squirrel burgers (Warning - may contain nuts). Personally I couldn't be bothered to skin such a piddly creature for the sake of the haunch - the only part with enough meat to be worth eating. Chris Woolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This studio went colour in the mid '70s and changed over the years to BBC in-house training as Overseas training declined. I know some members of this group have worked this studio from time to time. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Jan 20 07:00:36 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 13:00:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: <1155A426C0444D4CACE9670498E6733A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> <1155A426C0444D4CACE9670498E6733A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <9240da80-c709-e132-c929-e64d0f8197f3@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 20/01/2021 12:07, David Newbitt wrote: > Now that?s a cottage that looks comfortably settled in its environment ... It is. It has been there since C16th, built out of the rock it stands on. They quarried into the bank for shelter, and used the stone to build the walls. The trick has been to slide it into the C21st in terms of services and comfort, without overtly changing the look of the place (inside or out). It is all too easy to resurrect an old building and ruin it at the same time by "improving" every ounce of character. The same problem the Victorians had when they tidied up ancient churches, and obliterated everything that was lovely about them. I'll bet you had a lot of work to do on your "wreck" but the core of the place and its position are what actually contains its real value. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 20 07:21:52 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 13:21:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco Message-ID: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> Barry wrote: Maybe it is time to move to Taiwan, they got it right! Or the Italian town of Vo in the Veneto region, which managed to put the lid on it. There were several salient points that indicated bad management: ? The Chinese hushed it up and didn?t tell anyone early enough. ? Trump and Johnson blatantly lied about what their Governments were doing about it. ? No banning of crowd attendances for large gatherings ? Mardi Gras for instance. Ideal hot bed for spreading. ? The fact that the virus can be transmitted by people who are unaware they are carrying it. ? Poorer/ethnic minority people denied rapid treatment. (most obvious in USA). ? It became a political issue rather than a health one. I would also wonder why the UK powers that be failed to prioritise vaccination of obvious people who come into close contact with others ? Police, teachers, care workers, OK - NHS staff are catered for! But it smacks of not having been properly thought through. My neighbours ? educated and sensible people, all think the same way, so why aren?t we running things!! I?m scared to go out, having virtually isolated since last July, so avoiding contact. But I?ll have to venture to a food store soon. I could foresee that the relaxing of lockdown over Christmas wasn?t going to happen. The virus ain?t gonna take a break, and families would have relatives travelling in from other parts, and possibly carried the virus, so a hot bed to spread. I wasn?t surprised that it got rescinded ? but again, it hadn?t been thought through. So my Christmas lunch, which was intended to be shared with a friend, similarly living alone, is still in the freezer, and I contented myself with a ham sandwich and a bottle of champagne. End of rant, and I make no apology for hinting at politics ? this affects us all ? seriously. Pat (ISOPat?) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Wed Jan 20 07:49:09 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 13:49:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco In-Reply-To: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 20 07:59:20 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 13:59:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco In-Reply-To: References: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <60083738.1c69fb81.6f16b.436e@mx.google.com> The point being, Paul, is to inoculate those who could transmit the virus on, through being in contact with many others. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Paul Thackray Sent: 20 January 2021 13:49 To: patheigham; Tech Ops; B Wilkinson Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco Police, teachers, care workers, are likely to catch it but be are likely to be less ill and less likely to die.? (Statistically with exceptions ) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Wed Jan 20 08:14:15 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:14:15 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco In-Reply-To: <60083738.1c69fb81.6f16b.436e@mx.google.com> References: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> <60083738.1c69fb81.6f16b.436e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <014c01d6ef36$891649a0$9b42dce0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> That would be true, if the vaccine stopped you getting it (Does not appear too) and stopped you passing it on (Again it does not) The vaccine stops the person vaccinated becoming very ill, it does not help everyone else? Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: patheigham Sent: 20 January 2021 13:59 To: Paul Thackray ; Tech Ops ; B Wilkinson Subject: RE: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco The point being, Paul, is to inoculate those who could transmit the virus on, through being in contact with many others. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Paul Thackray Sent: 20 January 2021 13:49 To: patheigham ; Tech Ops ; B Wilkinson Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco Police, teachers, care workers, are likely to catch it but be are likely to be less ill and less likely to die. (Statistically with exceptions ) _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Jan 20 08:14:28 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:14:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco In-Reply-To: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> References: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <98B81C5F-01D1-483A-BDCF-0E829192490B@me.com> My concern is that we have now reached the point where the only weapon left in the arsenal is an effective vaccine. Everything now depends on it working. Test and Trace has not done what it was supposed to do. What we call lockdowns in the UK have been somewhat ineffective and many hospitals are now overwhelmed, with insufficient staff or facilities to cope. The really big concern for me is that the UK is not vaccinating according the the way that was tested and recommended by the manufacturers. We seem to have a policy of partially vaccinating as many people as possible so that the numbers look good. If a large proportion of the population only have a limited resistance to the virus, there could be a danger that the virus might take advantage of an opportunity to mutate into a form resistant to that vaccine. This could be further exacerbated by people imagining that the vaccine makes them totally immune and resuming risky behaviour. Obviously a vaccine is different to an anti-biotic, but we are always told that if we don?t complete a course of anti-biotics, it increases the chances of bacteria evolving which are resistant to treatment. Bacteria and viruses evolve or mutate over time, even though they are quite different ( bacteria are living organisms, while a virus isn?t ). Darwin tells us that evolution essentially consists of trying random variations and retaining those variants which confer some sort of advantage. If we allow the virus to spread in an environment where most people are partially resistant, then we might be inadvertently steering the virus towards a mutation against which which our current vaccines are ineffective. Alan Taylor > On 20 Jan 2021, at 13:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Barry wrote: > Maybe it is time to move to Taiwan, they got it right! > > Or the Italian town of Vo in the Veneto region, which managed to put the lid on it. > There were several salient points that indicated bad management: > The Chinese hushed it up and didn?t tell anyone early enough. > Trump and Johnson blatantly lied about what their Governments were doing about it. > No banning of crowd attendances for large gatherings ? Mardi Gras for instance. Ideal hot bed for spreading. > The fact that the virus can be transmitted by people who are unaware they are carrying it. > Poorer/ethnic minority people denied rapid treatment. > (most obvious in USA). > It became a political issue rather than a health one. > > I would also wonder why the UK powers that be failed to prioritise vaccination of obvious people who come into close contact with others ? Police, teachers, care workers, OK - NHS staff are catered for! But it smacks of not having been properly thought through. > My neighbours ? educated and sensible people, all think the same way, so why aren?t we running things!! > I?m scared to go out, having virtually isolated since last July, so avoiding contact. But I?ll have to venture to a food store soon. > I could foresee that the relaxing of lockdown over Christmas wasn?t going to happen. The virus ain?t gonna take a break, and families would have relatives travelling in from other parts, and possibly carried the virus, so a hot bed to spread. I wasn?t surprised that it got rescinded ? but again, it hadn?t been thought through. So my Christmas lunch, which was intended to be shared with a friend, similarly living alone, is still in the freezer, and I contented myself with a ham sandwich and a bottle of champagne. > End of rant, and I make no apology for hinting at politics ? this affects us all ? seriously. > > Pat (ISOPat?) > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Jan 20 08:41:08 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:41:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco In-Reply-To: <98B81C5F-01D1-483A-BDCF-0E829192490B@me.com> References: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> <98B81C5F-01D1-483A-BDCF-0E829192490B@me.com> Message-ID: <58f1d2cfa0davesound@btinternet.com> It's a dichotomy. Do you hold back 50% of all vaccines to make sure everyone gets a second dose on time? Or press on, giving double the number one dose, and hope supplies are delivered in time to give the second one? If it becomes apparent the first shot 'times out' then we may need to re-vaccinate everyone. My view is the current approach is right. To help buy some time for our vastly overloaded hospitals. Even if the first vaccination is only 50% effective, and only for a few weeks, it can make a big difference to the numbers of new cases needing hospital care at the same time. In article <98B81C5F-01D1-483A-BDCF-0E829192490B at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > The really big concern for me is that the UK is not vaccinating according the the way that was tested and recommended by the manufacturers. We seem to have a policy of partially vaccinating as many people as possible so that the numbers look good. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jan 20 08:43:05 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:43:05 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco In-Reply-To: <98B81C5F-01D1-483A-BDCF-0E829192490B@me.com> References: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> <98B81C5F-01D1-483A-BDCF-0E829192490B@me.com> Message-ID: <08F0014E46A9454E96AC00DEBA67FDA9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> If my occasional contributions suddenly cease, start worrying. I have my 1st & 2nd appointments for 27th Jan & 15th April at one of the newly opened drive-through centres (Taunton Racecourse). The on-line booking facility seemed well thought out with minimal entry details called for (NHS No & d.o.b.). It does seem necessary to book both appointments at the same time which effectively means using the same centre for each of them. Of course, when this invitation for a major centre appointment arrives the option is there to wait (an unknown time) for an invitation to one?s local centre. I took the ?bird in the hand....? approach but it?s not an easy decision for many. I think it was Dave Plowman who let us know he?d just recently had his 1st. He?s still posting ......! Dave Newbitt From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 2:14 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco My concern is that we have now reached the point where the only weapon left in the arsenal is an effective vaccine. Everything now depends on it working. Test and Trace has not done what it was supposed to do. What we call lockdowns in the UK have been somewhat ineffective and many hospitals are now overwhelmed, with insufficient staff or facilities to cope. The really big concern for me is that the UK is not vaccinating according the the way that was tested and recommended by the manufacturers. We seem to have a policy of partially vaccinating as many people as possible so that the numbers look good. If a large proportion of the population only have a limited resistance to the virus, there could be a danger that the virus might take advantage of an opportunity to mutate into a form resistant to that vaccine. This could be further exacerbated by people imagining that the vaccine makes them totally immune and resuming risky behaviour. Obviously a vaccine is different to an anti-biotic, but we are always told that if we don?t complete a course of anti-biotics, it increases the chances of bacteria evolving which are resistant to treatment. Bacteria and viruses evolve or mutate over time, even though they are quite different ( bacteria are living organisms, while a virus isn?t ). Darwin tells us that evolution essentially consists of trying random variations and retaining those variants which confer some sort of advantage. If we allow the virus to spread in an environment where most people are partially resistant, then we might be inadvertently steering the virus towards a mutation against which which our current vaccines are ineffective. Alan Taylor On 20 Jan 2021, at 13:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Barry wrote: Maybe it is time to move to Taiwan, they got it right! Or the Italian town of Vo in the Veneto region, which managed to put the lid on it. There were several salient points that indicated bad management: a.. The Chinese hushed it up and didn?t tell anyone early enough. b.. Trump and Johnson blatantly lied about what their Governments were doing about it. c.. No banning of crowd attendances for large gatherings ? Mardi Gras for instance. Ideal hot bed for spreading. d.. The fact that the virus can be transmitted by people who are unaware they are carrying it. e.. Poorer/ethnic minority people denied rapid treatment. (most obvious in USA). f.. It became a political issue rather than a health one. I would also wonder why the UK powers that be failed to prioritise vaccination of obvious people who come into close contact with others ? Police, teachers, care workers, OK - NHS staff are catered for! But it smacks of not having been properly thought through. My neighbours ? educated and sensible people, all think the same way, so why aren?t we running things!! I?m scared to go out, having virtually isolated since last July, so avoiding contact. But I?ll have to venture to a food store soon. I could foresee that the relaxing of lockdown over Christmas wasn?t going to happen. The virus ain?t gonna take a break, and families would have relatives travelling in from other parts, and possibly carried the virus, so a hot bed to spread. I wasn?t surprised that it got rescinded ? but again, it hadn?t been thought through. So my Christmas lunch, which was intended to be shared with a friend, similarly living alone, is still in the freezer, and I contented myself with a ham sandwich and a bottle of champagne. End of rant, and I make no apology for hinting at politics ? this affects us all ? seriously. Pat (ISOPat?) 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 20 09:08:41 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:08:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco In-Reply-To: <98B81C5F-01D1-483A-BDCF-0E829192490B@me.com> References: <60082e70.1c69fb81.1d5f5.3ea0@mx.google.com> <98B81C5F-01D1-483A-BDCF-0E829192490B@me.com> Message-ID: <60084779.1c69fb81.8c908.5afa@mx.google.com> Lockdown is only effective if people obey the rules. As Alan says ? ?if the numbers look good? ? again a political statement. Yesterday, our Surrey Police neighbourhood watch newsletter carried the following report: Issuing FPNs (Fixed Penalty Notice) to a couple who were found late at night in a car in Grandstand Road car park, Epsom Downs. They had travelled from separate households in Coulsdon and Croydon and were both issued with FPNs. So a bit of nookie in the back seat cost them ?400 ? hope it was worth it! Pat From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 January 2021 14:15 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid ITV doco My concern is that we have now reached the point where the only weapon left in the arsenal is an effective vaccine. ?Everything now depends on it working. Test and Trace has not done what it was supposed to do. ?What we call lockdowns in the UK have been somewhat ineffective and many hospitals are now overwhelmed, with insufficient staff or facilities to cope. The really big concern for me is that the UK is not vaccinating according the the way that was tested and recommended by the manufacturers. ?We seem to have a policy of partially vaccinating as many people as possible so that the numbers look good. If a large proportion of the population only have a limited resistance to the virus, there could be a danger that the virus might take advantage of an opportunity to mutate into a form resistant to that vaccine. ?This could be further exacerbated by people imagining that the vaccine makes them totally immune and resuming risky behaviour. Obviously a vaccine is different to an anti-biotic, but we are always told that if we don?t complete a course of anti-biotics, it increases the chances of bacteria evolving which are resistant to treatment. ?Bacteria and viruses evolve or mutate over time, even though they are quite different ( bacteria are living organisms, while a virus isn?t ). ?Darwin tells us that evolution essentially consists of trying random variations and retaining those variants which confer some sort of advantage. ?If we allow the virus to spread in an environment where most people are partially resistant, then we might be inadvertently steering the virus towards a mutation against which which our current vaccines are ineffective.? Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Taylor > On 20 Jan 2021, at 15:08, patheigham wrote: > > ? > Lockdown is only effective if people obey the rules. > As Alan says ? ?if the numbers look good? ? again a political statement. > > Yesterday, our Surrey Police neighbourhood watch newsletter carried the following report: > > Issuing FPNs (Fixed Penalty Notice) to a couple who were found late at night in a car in Grandstand Road car park, Epsom Downs. They had travelled from separate households in Coulsdon and Croydon and were both issued with FPNs. > > So a bit of nookie in the back seat cost them ?400 ? hope it was worth it! > Pat > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Jan 20 09:49:30 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:49:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: <9240da80-c709-e132-c929-e64d0f8197f3@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> <1155A426C0444D4CACE9670498E6733A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <9240da80-c709-e132-c929-e64d0f8197f3@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <23E82639-5B31-4DB7-91B4-B2DB70342C3F@btinternet.com> When we did Victorian Kitchen Garden in the 80s for BBC2 ,Keith Sheather and his researcher Jennifer Davis found Chillton Foliat near Hungerford and its ex Head Gardner Harry Dodson who restored the walled garden to perfection. It was an ideal habitat with high bricks walls, gravel paths and box hedges. I went back a couple of years ago, its now a Business Centre, and the garden unloved. Harry died in 2005. Roger > On 20 Jan 2021, at 13:00, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > > > On 20/01/2021 12:07, David Newbitt wrote: >> Now that?s a cottage that looks comfortably settled in its environment ... > It is. It has been there since C16th, built out of the rock it stands on. They quarried into the bank for shelter, and used the stone to build the walls. > > The trick has been to slide it into the C21st in terms of services and comfort, without overtly changing the look of the place (inside or out). It is all too easy to resurrect an old building and ruin it at the same time by "improving" every ounce of character. The same problem the Victorians had when they tidied up ancient churches, and obliterated everything that was lovely about them. > > I'll bet you had a lot of work to do on your "wreck" but the core of the place and its position are what actually contains its real value. > > Chris Woolf > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jan 20 10:24:03 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 16:24:03 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence In-Reply-To: <60082179.1c69fb81.4fa87.499c@mx.google.com> References: <6005d804.1c69fb81.379e6.0f4b@mx.google.com> <1155A426C0444D4CACE9670498E6733A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60082179.1c69fb81.4fa87.499c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4FC63BC55D104EE29463C6807B8B3B8E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Yes Pat it was rather special but not altogether easy living. When we bought it our Leatherhead solicitor failed to turn up the fact that effectively there was a closing order on it and the council wouldn?t permit us to move in ?unless and until it was improved to the council?s satisfaction?. Being on our uppers at the time we had thought to move in, make the best of it and chip away at the improvements, there being hopelessly insufficient funds for major work at the outset. Necessity being the mother of invention we bought from Waddon (Croydon) a 20 ft. x 10 ft. sectional builder?s site hut, hired a flat-bed trailer and towed the 15 cwt wooden structure down to Somerset and erected it in the front garden on a freezing January day. There was no electricity supply, no sanitation and the only water was a spring fed supply terminating in a length of alkathene with stopcock attached in a corner of the garden some 30 ft. from the cottage. Prior to our ownership it had been bought at auction by a small building firm who had obtained permission for what locals described as a gin-palace construction. Reality had dawned on them thereafter (no road access and likely phenomenally high costs getting materials on site). No work was ever commenced and after sitting on it for two years they had put it back for sale by private treaty at ?23,000, no offers. The last occasion the estate agents advertised it their wording began ?Utterly horrifying proposition ....?. Perhaps the locals were right ? we were mad! We lived in that site hut for four years with one winter down to ?18C and of course due to frozen pipe regularly had no water other than from a nearby stream. In that four years neither of us ever had a cold. We were on the 700 ft. contour line looking south into a hill that rose close to 1000 ft. We were thus sun-backed with no sun at all for six weeks either side of the Winter solstice. We somehow got planning through for a modest enterprise though the council insisted we discard the roof and increase the wall height to improve 1st floor headroom before constructing a new roof. To meet their insistence on increased headroom at ground floor level we had to excavate 15 ins of floor, not straightforward with the walls having no foundations. Before we got round to modifying levels and falls externally a July flash flood descended the steep access track and flooded the cottage to about 6 inch depth damaging, amongst other materials, a considerable stack of plasterboard. I think that may have been the low point and I have to admit to a tear being shed. BUT!! We worked hard, we made good, we loved our surroundings, we progressed. We had ducks, chickens, dairy goats ( Hilary hand milking twice a day for years and years), pygmy goats, alpacas, numerous cats and even a guinea pig or two. The wildlife was wonderful, the garden eventually a picture, the accommodation enlarged with a ground-floor only extension of greater area than both floors of the original cottage (that took some pleading with the planning Dept.) and all told we were there for 37 years. You don?t do that unless something very special holds you. We simply in the end had to concede that hard winters, 1 1/2 acres of rough hill pasture, intensive upkeep effort etc. was more suited to the younger and stronger so we sold up - for well over half a million. Apologies if this was more than you were asking for! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 12:26 PM To: David Newbitt Subject: RE: [Tech1] (no subject) planned obsolescence That looks idyllic, Dave, did you have to move after all the work you must have put in? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sue.malden at btinternet.com Wed Jan 20 11:51:31 2021 From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (SUSAN MALDEN) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: <71429b.34914.17720ec47a6.Webtop.107@btinternet.com> Paul There was a post in October telling members about this which was on the main page for a month. https://bbcpa.org.uk/new-members/ . 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Mike G From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 20 18:13:51 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 00:13:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inauguration In-Reply-To: <0E29EA73-F9FF-4FC8-A1D1-6B8A4AA35751@mac.com> References: <0E29EA73-F9FF-4FC8-A1D1-6B8A4AA35751@mac.com> Message-ID: <575F8CCE-F81F-4A8D-B936-D372DD34CD3C@btinternet.com> Shame that the dismal News dept. decided that we couldn?t do without their red caption strap throughout the Inauguration thus reducing the aspect ratio to 16:7. Not my favourite dept. in the BBC! Barry. On 21 Jan 2021, at 00:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > What a relief that the inauguration of Jo and Kamala has arrived at last and passed off without incident. Am I being fanciful in noting that, during the ceremony, the cloud cover over the capitol building reduced to a few bits of the fluffy stuff? > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Jan 20 18:52:18 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 00:52:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The inauguration In-Reply-To: <575F8CCE-F81F-4A8D-B936-D372DD34CD3C@btinternet.com> References: <575F8CCE-F81F-4A8D-B936-D372DD34CD3C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <16B7CEB5-825E-43BC-B6E8-A36B606E8308@mac.com> Absolutely agreed, Barry, It wouldn?t be as bad if they stuck to one line of information and ditched it when there was nothing new to say except to repeat what?s just been said! I would also have liked to be told who all the guests were as they descended the stairs. Perhaps that would have justified the strap. Mike G > On 21 Jan 2021, at 00:14, Barry Bonner wrote: > > ?Shame that the dismal News dept. decided that we couldn?t do without their red caption strap throughout the Inauguration thus reducing the aspect ratio to 16:7. Not my favourite dept. in the BBC! > Barry. > > > >> On 21 Jan 2021, at 00:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> What a relief that the inauguration of Jo and Kamala has arrived at last and passed off without incident. Am I being fanciful in noting that, during the ceremony, the cloud cover over the capitol building reduced to a few bits of the fluffy stuff? >> >> Mike G >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <8e8e909c-3bc2-3068-a663-00e456e15006@gmail.com> I'm on my last pre-lockdown library book (help!), The Shepperton Story. It's very good, and obviously took a lot of research. It has a lot of asides about other studios, which were as numerous years ago as they are now, just different ones - Nettlefold in Walton on Thames, Isleworth, various in Borehamwood which aren't there now, etc, etc.? The story in the book of the "Silent Stage" at Isleworth intrigued me.? It had "Please! Studios" written in large friendly letters on the roof, presumably to deter passing 747s. Basically it was an enormous corrugated iron shed, much larger than TC1. The large sets for Things to Come, and some of the jungle in The African Queen were in there. Isleworth studios closed in 1953, though the main building is still there, next to Mogden sewage works. They wanted to keep the silent stage, so they dismantled it and took it to Shepperton, where? it still stands? (https://bit.ly/3qO5leJ) - I've never seen it myself, not having been there. Apparently when they took it apart they didn't tell the contractors about keeping the lettering right, it went up as a jumble, so airliners have flown over ever since. So - the challenge is...... Like Shepperton, Television Centre has had a huge amount of stories told, especially since it closed. On tech-ops.co.uk Alec Bray has done a huge amount of collation, Martin Kempton has done a huge amount on his site, and in the various FaceBook groups there's lots. Now it just needs a wiling volunteer to pull it all together! B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ATC don?t care about that, if it?s under the approach flightpath to Heathrow. Basically it was an enormous corrugated iron shed, much larger than TC1. The large sets for Things to Come, and some of the jungle in The African Queen were in there. Isleworth studios closed in 1953, though the main building is still there, next to Mogden sewage works. They wanted to keep the silent stage, so they dismantled it and took it to Shepperton, where? it still stands I?ve worked in the silent stage (called silent because it?s not soundproofed from outside noises). Films included ?When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth? (a quicksand sequence, as the shed was built over a tank that could be flooded). ?Eye of the Needle? for a storm sequence involving a small fishing boat. But also ?Alien? for the strange planet landing, with huge propeller driven wind machines blowing vermiculite everywhere. I had worked in what I believed to be Isleworth studios, just off the main drag ? two stages upstairs, used mostly for commercials, or the occasional small set. Best Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 22 12:27:03 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 18:27:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The TC Story? In-Reply-To: <600b0c60.1c69fb81.c2d38.42a8@mx.google.com> References: <600b0c60.1c69fb81.c2d38.42a8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Aren?t you glad they don?t still do snow effects with vermiculite? I can remember doing a snow scene outdoors where they used huge sacks of vermiculite tipped into aero engine powered propellers. Even a year or two later I was still finding granules of vermiculite in crevices in the pockets of my cold weather gear. Heaven only knows how much of it was left on location afterwards. Still it?s better than when they shot The Wizard of Oz, where I gather the snow was simulated by using asbestos. The original TV studios at AP and probably many other places too used asbestos as acoustic treatment on the walls. We had a lot of snow scenes on Box of Delights. There was some fabulous real deep powder snow in Scotland for the main locations, but after that it was down to special effects, mostly fire brigade foam for large areas. Two things I remember about the foam. One is that if the foam was sprayed over a gravel path, the foam muffles what would otherwise be very noisy gravel footsteps and the end result sounds uncannily like footsteps on real snow. The other memory was of the people creating the foam. They turned up with an ex-fire brigade fire engine and could churn out squillions of gallons of foam very rapidly, covering entire fields and trees if needed. They turned up with a new nozzle which they were very proud of because it was supposed to squirt foam higher up the trees than was previously possible. Having led everybody to expect that the trees would be totally covered, somebody pointed out that the top ten feet of one tree was still green. Rising to the challenge, they cranked the fire engine pump up to 11. Nozzle man positioned himself on the freshly sprayed foam near the tall tree, took aim and opened the valve. Newton tells us that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Unfortunately Newton forgot to tell Nozzle man and the force of the jet caused him to lose his footing and fall backwards onto the foam, still firmly holding the nozzle, slithering about in a jet-propelled fashion, creating a highly entertaining but messy simulation of a balloon deflating and whizzing around. Alan Taylor > On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:33, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > ..... , with huge propeller driven wind machines blowing vermiculite everywhere. > I had worked in what I believed to be Isleworth studios, just off the main drag ? two stages upstairs, used mostly for commercials, or the occasional small set. > > Best > > Pat > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk Fri Jan 22 12:53:16 2021 From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 18:53:16 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The TC Story? In-Reply-To: <8e8e909c-3bc2-3068-a663-00e456e15006@gmail.com> References: <8e8e909c-3bc2-3068-a663-00e456e15006@gmail.com> Message-ID: For anyone interested in the history of film and studios try the Cine ? Tourist web site. The Cine-Tourist - home It gives maps of the time with locations of studios with pictures and film made. Unfortunately it concentrates on London and the surrounding area. Neil From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 22 January 2021 16:02 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] The TC Story? I'm on my last pre-lockdown library book (help!), The Shepperton Story. It's very good, and obviously took a lot of research. It has a lot of asides about other studios, which were as numerous years ago as they are now, just different ones - Nettlefold in Walton on Thames, Isleworth, various in Borehamwood which aren't there now, etc, etc. The story in the book of the "Silent Stage" at Isleworth intrigued me. It had "Please! Studios" written in large friendly letters on the roof, presumably to deter passing 747s. Basically it was an enormous corrugated iron shed, much larger than TC1. The large sets for Things to Come, and some of the jungle in The African Queen were in there. Isleworth studios closed in 1953, though the main building is still there, next to Mogden sewage works. They wanted to keep the silent stage, so they dismantled it and took it to Shepperton, where it still stands (https://bit.ly/3qO5leJ) - I've never seen it myself, not having been there. Apparently when they took it apart they didn't tell the contractors about keeping the lettering right, it went up as a jumble, so airliners have flown over ever since. So - the challenge is...... Like Shepperton, Television Centre has had a huge amount of stories told, especially since it closed. On tech-ops.co.uk Alec Bray has done a huge amount of collation, Martin Kempton has done a huge amount on his site, and in the various FaceBook groups there's lots. Now it just needs a wiling volunteer to pull it all together! B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Neil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 22 14:05:22 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 20:05:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The TC Story? In-Reply-To: References: <600b0c60.1c69fb81.c2d38.42a8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <600b3002.1c69fb81.1dc68.63a0@mx.google.com> What a wonderful story, Alan. Much mirth! The foam treatment was used on a TV movie I worked on ? possibly ?Sakharov?. Location was the Watercress Line at Ropley, I think. It was awful, as it got everywhere, even with wellyboots, one?s socks were soaked. One almost needs to kept suitable kit for any location in the car. Only needed swimming trunks on one occasion - I did appear in a Bond movie, as background action, chasing a lass along a beach!* If one appeared, a fee of ?20 was paid, but as not every crew member could be spared, so that was always put behind the bar for everyone to have a snifter. *On one take I slipped and sent a shower of sand up, when I got back to the sound trolley, my HOD kindly enquired as to how long I had been the ?beach bully?! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 22 January 2021 18:27 Subject: Re: [Tech1] The TC Story? Aren?t you glad they don?t still do snow effects with vermiculite? ?I can remember doing a snow scene outdoors where they used huge sacks of vermiculite tipped into aero engine powered propellers. ?Even a year or two later I was still finding granules of vermiculite in crevices in the pockets of my cold weather gear. ?Heaven only knows how much of it was left on location afterwards. ? Still it?s better than when they shot The Wizard of Oz, where I gather the snow was simulated by using asbestos. ?The original TV studios at AP and probably many other places too used asbestos as acoustic treatment on the walls.? We had a lot of snow scenes on Box of Delights. ?There was some fabulous real deep powder snow in Scotland for the main locations, but after that it was down to special effects, mostly fire brigade foam for large areas. ?Two things I remember about the foam. ?One is that if the foam was sprayed over a gravel path, the foam muffles what would otherwise be very noisy gravel footsteps and the end result sounds uncannily like footsteps on real snow. ? The other memory was of the people creating the foam. ?They turned up with an ex-fire brigade fire engine and could churn out squillions of gallons of foam very rapidly, covering entire fields and trees if needed. ?They turned up with a new nozzle which they were very proud of because it was supposed to squirt foam higher up the trees than was previously possible. ?Having led everybody to expect that the trees would be totally covered, somebody pointed out that the top ten feet of one tree was still green. ?Rising to the challenge, they cranked the fire engine pump up to 11. ?Nozzle man positioned himself on the freshly sprayed foam near the tall tree, took aim and opened the valve. ?Newton tells us that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. ?Unfortunately Newton forgot to tell Nozzle man and the force of the jet caused him to lose his footing and fall backwards onto the foam, still firmly holding the nozzle, slithering about in a jet-propelled fashion, creating a highly entertaining but messy simulation of a balloon deflating and whizzing around. 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 24 06:20:20 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:20:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] model railway In-Reply-To: <29E5B8FE3215488388A7565919C236E5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <29E5B8FE3215488388A7565919C236E5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <58f3d54367davesound@btinternet.com> Seems it's not actually for sale. Just an example of the work they do. And lots shown in the pics not included anyway. A good example of the sort of ad I hate. Very common on FaceBook. In article <29E5B8FE3215488388A7565919C236E5 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I?m sure Bernie and likely a few more wouldn?t mind having the ?16,600 > for this eBay offering. > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/00-Gauge-Model-railway-layout-DCC-14x7ft-4-sections-delivered-peco-hornby-/184532937489?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 > Quite why this level of model-making skill is so irresistible I don?t > know but I wish I had developed such ability. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 24 06:35:21 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:35:21 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] model railway In-Reply-To: <58f3d54367davesound@btinternet.com> References: <29E5B8FE3215488388A7565919C236E5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58f3d54367davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2B7BE597B3604D25874C60E2BA957C6E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I had noticed the points you make Dave but didn't think them relevant to the quality of the work. Re cost, it seems probable if one wished to commission something similar it would be the same order of money. I wasn't judging the advert, just appreciating the craftsmanship. Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:20 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] model railway Seems it's not actually for sale. Just an example of the work they do. And lots shown in the pics not included anyway. A good example of the sort of ad I hate. Very common on FaceBook. In article <29E5B8FE3215488388A7565919C236E5 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I?m sure Bernie and likely a few more wouldn?t mind having the ?16,600 > for this eBay offering. > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/00-Gauge-Model-railway-layout-DCC-14x7ft-4-sections-delivered-peco-hornby-/184532937489?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 > Quite why this level of model-making skill is so irresistible I don?t > know but I wish I had developed such ability. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 24 08:27:12 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 14:27:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] model railway Message-ID: <58f3e0e142davesound@btinternet.com> Yes - it certainly looked nice. But no point in advertising something for sale you can't actually buy - when they give a price? To me it's sharp practice at best. In article <2B7BE597B3604D25874C60E2BA957C6E at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I had noticed the points you make Dave but didn't think them relevant to > the quality of the work. Re cost, it seems probable if one wished to > commission something similar it would be the same order of money. I > wasn't judging the advert, just appreciating the craftsmanship. > Dave Newbitt > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, > January 24, 2021 12:20 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] > model railway > Seems it's not actually for sale. Just an example of the work they do. > And lots shown in the pics not included anyway. > A good example of the sort of ad I hate. Very common on FaceBook. > In article <29E5B8FE3215488388A7565919C236E5 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David > Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > I=90m sure Bernie and likely a few more wouldn=90t mind having the > > =A316,600 for this eBay offering. > > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/00-Gauge-Model-railway-layout-DCC-14x7ft-4-sections-delivered-peco-hornby-/184532937489?_trksid=3Dp2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 > > Quite why this level of model-making skill is so irresistible I > > don=90t know but I wish I had developed such ability. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 24 09:43:31 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:43:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] model railway In-Reply-To: <58f3e0e142davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f3e0e142davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <600d95a2.1c69fb81.38a0.867a@mx.google.com> Many years ago, I gave an aunt a few quid for an LNWR 4-6-2 clockwork loco, which I thought was Gauge 1. My school had an outside gauge 1 layout which ran clockwork, electric and live steam models. Joining the club, I happily plonked my loco on the track, only to find that it overlapped, so we came to the conclusion that it was gauge 2! Yes, the measure between the flanges is 2?. I lent it to a BBC colleague, who unwisely let his small son play with it, resulting in the chimney becoming detached. A friend who collected ?0? gauge stock in Great Western livery took it to a restorer up North, who re-fixed the chimney, and also made a replacement sprung buffer which had been missing anyway ? and a repro lamp, too. A bit of paint touch up as well. It?s worth maybe ?600, although a gauge 1 version realised ?1200 at Christies. Research showed that mine was made by Bing in Germany for Bassett-Lowke around 1914. I?d love to build a length of track, and try and obtain a truck or carriage, but the auction prices are horrendous. Not a lot of gauge 2 stuff about. The school?s layout was trashed by young vandals during one summer holiday, and was never rebuilt. This is it: And Dave P, on the e-bay site, it invites ?add to basket? or ?buy now? ? indicates that it is for sale? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2021 14:28 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] model railway Yes - it certainly looked nice. But no point in advertising something for sale you can't actually buy - when they give a price? To me it's sharp practice at best. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 24 Jan 2021, at 15:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > > If you want to see (railway) modelling at its very best - and absolutely priceless - just go to: > > https://pendonmuseum.com/ > > It represents what it was like in the Vale of the White Horse in the 1930s, and each house is a fully accurate model of a house in the Vale in 4mm scale (Hornby Dublo size) - including interiors. > > One visitor once commented that it was a study of outside toilets! > > One model house can take - it seems - almost as long to do as renovations on a full size property! > > Best regards, keep safe, Alec > > sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 24 10:16:48 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:16:48 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Railway modelling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Goodness Alec that is absolutely jaw-dropping. My wife and I have just seen part of the virtual tour and instantly decided this is top of our tour list as soon as normal life returns. Thank you so much for bringing this to the forum. Dave Newbitt. From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 3:49 PM To: Tech Ops Group Subject: [Tech1] Railway modelling If you want to see (railway) modelling at its very best - and absolutely priceless - just go to: https://pendonmuseum.com/ It represents what it was like in the Vale of the White Horse in the 1930s, and each house is a fully accurate model of a house in the Vale in 4mm scale (Hornby Dublo size) - including interiors. One visitor once commented that it was a study of outside toilets! One model house can take - it seems - almost as long to do as renovations on a full size property! Best regards, keep safe, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It must be disheartening when special effects trash them for the blowing-up shot. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2021 15:50 To: Tech Ops Group Subject: [Tech1] Railway modelling If you want to see (railway) modelling at its very best - and absolutely priceless - just go to: https://pendonmuseum.com/ It represents what it was like in the Vale of the White Horse in the 1930s, and each house is a fully accurate model of a house in the Vale in 4mm scale (Hornby Dublo size) - including interiors. One model house can take - it seems - almost as long to do as renovations on a full size property! Best regards, keep safe, Alec -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you so much for > bringing this to the forum. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Alec Bray via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2021 3:49 PM > *To:* Tech Ops Group > *Subject:* [Tech1] Railway modelling > If you want to see (railway) modelling at its very best - and > absolutely priceless - just go to: > https://pendonmuseum.com/ > It represents what it was like in the Vale of the White Horse in the > 1930s, and each house is a fully accurate model of a house in the Vale > in 4mm scale (Hornby Dublo size) - including interiors. > One visitor once commented that it was a study of outside toilets! > One model house can take - it seems - almost as long to do as > renovations on a full size property! > Best regards, keep safe, Alec > > sent from my mobile phone. 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The only other significant quantity built to this wheel configuration was the GCR Class 9 (reclassified as Class A5 following GCR absorption into the LNER) at 44 units. Below that there were 20 NER Class Y locos, re-classed as A7 by the LNER; 12 Class 944 from the Caledonian Railway; 5 Class H16 from the LSWR and lastly just 2 (J1/J2) from the London, Brighton & South Coast Railway. What does your little monster weigh? Full steam ahead! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 3:43 PM To: Dave Plowman ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] model railway Many years ago, I gave an aunt a few quid for an LNWR 4-6-2 clockwork loco, which I thought was Gauge 1. My school had an outside gauge 1 layout which ran clockwork, electric and live steam models. Joining the club, I happily plonked my loco on the track, only to find that it overlapped, so we came to the conclusion that it was gauge 2! Yes, the measure between the flanges is 2?. 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I am very pleased with it so far, it is so much quieter than my last one and has a pull-out waste bin so that I don't need to lift off the motor unit to empty it. It can take 14 pages (but not recommended!), CDs, and Credit cards etc. In my old shredder the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels measured 1.9mm. thick, in this new shredder they measure 3.9mm. so hopefully they will last a lot longer! Cheers, Dave From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Jan 24 15:44:59 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:44:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: <1c6525d0-866c-4acb-5b62-be3cc8188ef7@btinternet.com> References: <1c6525d0-866c-4acb-5b62-be3cc8188ef7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I?ve a Rexcel which I bought when I went Freelance back in 1993! Touch wood it is still working fine. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Jan 2021, at 21:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > My last shredder was a Tesco Executive model and my daughter had the same one. Eventually, the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels gradually broke off allowing the paper strips to build up into a solid lump which was very difficult to remove. It was also so noisy that you couldn't carry on a conversation whilst shredding! I looked at several on line and chose a Bonsaii C-169 on Amazon reduced from ?149 to ?119, but looked quite good for the amount of shredding I need to do before dying! Anyway, I ordered it on the 22nd., Amazon said it would arrive on 26th. , then the 25th. and it arrived today, in the snow and ice this evening on the 24th.! I am very pleased with it so far, it is so much quieter than my last one and has a pull-out waste bin so that I don't need to lift off the motor unit to empty it. It can take 14 pages (but not recommended!), CDs, and Credit cards etc. In my old shredder the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels measured 1.9mm. thick, in this new shredder they measure 3.9mm. so hopefully they will last a lot longer! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 24 18:14:20 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 00:14:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: References: <1c6525d0-866c-4acb-5b62-be3cc8188ef7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Lucky you, Graeme, my very first one was a Rexel and it's plastic gear wheels actually melted, the Tesco one had metal gear wheels and was still working but it's plastic surroundings were too fragile and kept breaking. This new one has done a whole bag full of ancient credit card statements tonight so quietly that it was a joy to use!? My problem is that I have never thrown anything away so my wife is now getting paranoid about what we are going to leave the kids to clear out! Cheers, Dave On 24/01/2021 21:44, Graeme Wall wrote: > I?ve a Rexcel which I bought when I went Freelance back in 1993! Touch wood it is still working fine. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Jan 2021, at 21:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> My last shredder was a Tesco Executive model and my daughter had the same one. Eventually, the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels gradually broke off allowing the paper strips to build up into a solid lump which was very difficult to remove. It was also so noisy that you couldn't carry on a conversation whilst shredding! I looked at several on line and chose a Bonsaii C-169 on Amazon reduced from ?149 to ?119, but looked quite good for the amount of shredding I need to do before dying! Anyway, I ordered it on the 22nd., Amazon said it would arrive on 26th. , then the 25th. and it arrived today, in the snow and ice this evening on the 24th.! I am very pleased with it so far, it is so much quieter than my last one and has a pull-out waste bin so that I don't need to lift off the motor unit to empty it. It can take 14 pages (but not recommended!), CDs, and Credit cards etc. In my old shredder the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels measured 1.9mm. thick, in this new shredder they measure 3.9mm. so hopefully they will last a lot longer! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From richardjblencowe at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 03:25:36 2021 From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 09:25:36 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: <1c6525d0-866c-4acb-5b62-be3cc8188ef7@btinternet.com> References: <1c6525d0-866c-4acb-5b62-be3cc8188ef7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <000301d6f2fc$0a3e8c40$1ebba4c0$@com> Hi, I bought a Bonsaii shredder from Amazon in 2019. It shredded well but had a cooling fan which never turned off even if the mains was disconnected and then reconnected, the fan came back on. I contacted Bonsaii to ask if this was normal, their reply did not address my question so was not was not helpful. I returned it to Amazon as faulty (and got a full refund) and now have a Fellowes 450M which has worked well for over a year now (no fan but stops if overheated and soon starts again). Hope this is helpful. Dick Blencowe -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2021 21:42 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Shredders My last shredder was a Tesco Executive model and my daughter had the same one. Eventually, the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels gradually broke off allowing the paper strips to build up into a solid lump which was very difficult to remove. It was also so noisy that you couldn't carry on a conversation whilst shredding! I looked at several on line and chose a Bonsaii C-169 on Amazon reduced from ?149 to ?119, but looked quite good for the amount of shredding I need to do before dying! Anyway, I ordered it on the 22nd., Amazon said it would arrive on 26th. , then the 25th. and it arrived today, in the snow and ice this evening on the 24th.! I am very pleased with it so far, it is so much quieter than my last one and has a pull-out waste bin so that I don't need to lift off the motor unit to empty it. It can take 14 pages (but not recommended!), CDs, and Credit cards etc. In my old shredder the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels measured 1.9mm. thick, in this new shredder they measure 3.9mm. so hopefully they will last a lot longer! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jan 25 04:58:29 2021 From: dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk (dick) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 10:58:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test Message-ID: Just testing From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 25 06:23:24 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 12:23:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) Message-ID: Put me down as another Rexel HS.25 user. Mine must be at least twenty years old if not more. It has been known to clog, but I blame myself as it needed emptying sooner! Two things: Is a shredder actually more environmentally friendly than an incinerator? The shredder merely moves the carbon footprint to wherever your power is generated. Our local dump don?t want shredded paper blowing all over the place and will only accept it bagged up. But what about wherever it goes next? If, like us, you don?t have neighbours close by, maybe the occasional bit of paper smoke isn?t too harmful? Especially now that we?re using our cars and aeroplanes less! Second: from experience of my F-in-L?s house a couple of years ago (quite near to Dr Woolf?s lovely house in Kernow), I would urge any hoarders to do the decent thing and not leave mountains of crap for your kids to deal with at a time when (hopefully) they are tearfully mourning the sad loss of their poor old Dad. Or they might just be wanting to flog the house as fast as they can and pocket the dosh! F-in-L Reg was a hoarder of the worst order, I would even say it was a mental illness. Everything he ever bought or was given, he kept the original boxes along with it for no good reason. There was a stack of about 200 plastic Wall?s ice cream cartons (?you never know, they might come in useful?)! LP?s, around five hundred, all easy listening Kaempfert/Manovani/Russ Conway type of stuff, and naff dance band music. There was no sell or give-away option for them, so we painstakingly separated plastic disc and paper sleeves, and dumped all at the local recycling centre. Hi-Fi setups in four separate rooms. Again, very difficult to get rid of. So why in heaven?s name would you keep old bank statements and stuff like that? Oh, and two electronic organs, one of which we did flog on Ebay for ?800, but the other we couldn?t even give away. Several Aspidistra stands - you name it! And all the thirties brown furniture (it was a six bedroom house), thankfully the Cornish Lifeboat Society took most of that away. Most stressful of all though, was his train set. He had a 2ft wide x 8ft long board that had been fixed to a wall in a previous house, and joined to that by a long piano hinge, a 4ft x 8ft board with the rest of the layout on it. Scenery and all. Vintage Hornby 00 tri-rail - lots of it. Again, every item was immaculate and complete with original boxes etc. None of it had been unboxed or used since a previous house move at least 25 years earlier. He?d collected it because he hadn?t been allowed a train set as a kid. Shortly before he died, he told my wife that the boards were behind loads of ?brown? furniture in the garage (it was, we?d seen it), and the rest was in boxes hidden in a piece of loft space, and how to find it - hidden because he knew it had some value. When it came to clearance, all of that had mysteriously gone missing. There are only three people who could have filched it, and we know the two of them that didn?t. Suspect now has a luxurious houseboat somehwere on the Thames. Curious, that. All of which adds up to the same thing: de-clutter, don?t leave it to others, least of all those you can?t trust!! Still on the subject of train sets: An elderly musician and long-time friend of mine died about three years ago. He had no family and never married, and lived alone in a two bed flat in a desirable part of Guildford. In his will he left the flat to Guildford Cathedral to be used as Lay Clerk accomodation. The flat would have had a market value of around ?600,000. He was also a hoarder! You couldn?t actually see how big two of the rooms were. An absolute mountain of high-end vintage Hi-Fi gear, which was all subsequently sold at auction. Hundreds of LP?s and CD?s which were mostly given away to anyone who wanted them. Floor to ceiling bookshelves full of books of all kinds. But best of all, he had (again all boxed and perfect condition) a huge amount of Marklin track, scenery and rolling stock. That was left to a choral colleague as a thankyou for acting as his executor, and we?re told, fetched at auction, more than the flat was valued at. If this seems like endless waffle (which it is) it might be because just before I started, I stood up and bashed my head on an open cupboard door. It?s left a bump which is still bleeding! Cheers, I?ll go now, coffee time if I can remember where we keep it - only joking. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 24 Jan 2021, at 21:45, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I?ve a Rexcel which I bought when I went Freelance back in 1993! Touch wood it is still working fine. > ? > Graeme Wall From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 06:30:22 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 12:30:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What to do with the shreddings???? The other day I was shredding away on the kitchen work surface, making piles of shredded paper. In the sink next to it was a bowl of soapy water. I shoved the pile in, which made it a lot smaller, then I squeezed out the water, and put the block on the hot water tank.? Next time I have an environmentally log fire, it will maybe make good kindling. B On 25/01/2021 12:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Put me down as another Rexel HS.25 user. Mine must be at least twenty years old if not more. It has been known to clog, but I blame myself as it needed emptying sooner! > Two things: > Is a shredder actually more environmentally friendly than an incinerator? The shredder merely moves the carbon footprint to wherever your power is generated. Our local dump don?t want shredded paper blowing all over the place and will only accept it bagged up. But what about wherever it goes next? If, like us, you don?t have neighbours close by, maybe the occasional bit of paper smoke isn?t too harmful? Especially now that we?re using our cars and aeroplanes less! > > Second: from experience of my F-in-L?s house a couple of years ago (quite near to Dr Woolf?s lovely house in Kernow), I would urge any hoarders to do the decent thing and not leave mountains of crap for your kids to deal with at a time when (hopefully) they are tearfully mourning the sad loss of their poor old Dad. Or they might just be wanting to flog the house as fast as they can and pocket the dosh! > F-in-L Reg was a hoarder of the worst order, I would even say it was a mental illness. Everything he ever bought or was given, he kept the original boxes along with it for no good reason. There was a stack of about 200 plastic Wall?s ice cream cartons (?you never know, they might come in useful?)! LP?s, around five hundred, all easy listening Kaempfert/Manovani/Russ Conway type of stuff, and naff dance band music. There was no sell or give-away option for them, so we painstakingly separated plastic disc and paper sleeves, and dumped all at the local recycling centre. Hi-Fi setups in four separate rooms. Again, very difficult to get rid of. So why in heaven?s name would you keep old bank statements and stuff like that? Oh, and two electronic organs, one of which we did flog on Ebay for ?800, but the other we couldn?t even give away. Several Aspidistra stands - you name it! And all the thirties brown furniture (it was a six bedroom house), thankfully the Cornish Lifeboat Society took most of that away. > Most stressful of all though, was his train set. He had a 2ft wide x 8ft long board that had been fixed to a wall in a previous house, and joined to that by a long piano hinge, a 4ft x 8ft board with the rest of the layout on it. Scenery and all. Vintage Hornby 00 tri-rail - lots of it. Again, every item was immaculate and complete with original boxes etc. None of it had been unboxed or used since a previous house move at least 25 years earlier. He?d collected it because he hadn?t been allowed a train set as a kid. Shortly before he died, he told my wife that the boards were behind loads of ?brown? furniture in the garage (it was, we?d seen it), and the rest was in boxes hidden in a piece of loft space, and how to find it - hidden because he knew it had some value. When it came to clearance, all of that had mysteriously gone missing. There are only three people who could have filched it, and we know the two of them that didn?t. Suspect now has a luxurious houseboat somehwere on the Thames. Curious, that. > > All of which adds up to the same thing: de-clutter, don?t leave it to others, least of all those you can?t trust!! > > Still on the subject of train sets: An elderly musician and long-time friend of mine died about three years ago. He had no family and never married, and lived alone in a two bed flat in a desirable part of Guildford. In his will he left the flat to Guildford Cathedral to be used as Lay Clerk accomodation. The flat would have had a market value of around ?600,000. He was also a hoarder! You couldn?t actually see how big two of the rooms were. An absolute mountain of high-end vintage Hi-Fi gear, which was all subsequently sold at auction. Hundreds of LP?s and CD?s which were mostly given away to anyone who wanted them. Floor to ceiling bookshelves full of books of all kinds. But best of all, he had (again all boxed and perfect condition) a huge amount of Marklin track, scenery and rolling stock. That was left to a choral colleague as a thankyou for acting as his executor, and we?re told, fetched at auction, more than the flat was valued at. > > If this seems like endless waffle (which it is) it might be because just before I started, I stood up and bashed my head on an open cupboard door. It?s left a bump which is still bleeding! > Cheers, I?ll go now, coffee time if I can remember where we keep it - only joking. > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 24 Jan 2021, at 21:45, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I?ve a Rexcel which I bought when I went Freelance back in 1993! Touch wood it is still working fine. >> ? >> Graeme Wall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Jan 25 06:44:37 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 12:44:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You used to be able to buy a gadget for converting shredded paper into logs, basically it made Bernie?s exercise a bit simpler. Graeme Wall > On 25 Jan 2021, at 12:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? What to do with the shreddings? The other day I was shredding away on the kitchen work surface, making piles of shredded paper. In the sink next to it was a bowl of soapy water. I shoved the pile in, which made it a lot smaller, then I squeezed out the water, and put the block on the hot water tank. Next time I have an environmentally log fire, it will maybe make good kindling. > > B > > > > On 25/01/2021 12:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Put me down as another Rexel HS.25 user. Mine must be at least twenty years old if not more. It has been known to clog, but I blame myself as it needed emptying sooner! >> Two things: >> Is a shredder actually more environmentally friendly than an incinerator? The shredder merely moves the carbon footprint to wherever your power is generated. Our local dump don?t want shredded paper blowing all over the place and will only accept it bagged up. But what about wherever it goes next? If, like us, you don?t have neighbours close by, maybe the occasional bit of paper smoke isn?t too harmful? Especially now that we?re using our cars and aeroplanes less! >> >> Second: from experience of my F-in-L?s house a couple of years ago (quite near to Dr Woolf?s lovely house in Kernow), I would urge any hoarders to do the decent thing and not leave mountains of crap for your kids to deal with at a time when (hopefully) they are tearfully mourning the sad loss of their poor old Dad. Or they might just be wanting to flog the house as fast as they can and pocket the dosh! >> F-in-L Reg was a hoarder of the worst order, I would even say it was a mental illness. Everything he ever bought or was given, he kept the original boxes along with it for no good reason. There was a stack of about 200 plastic Wall?s ice cream cartons (?you never know, they might come in useful?)! LP?s, around five hundred, all easy listening Kaempfert/Manovani/Russ Conway type of stuff, and naff dance band music. There was no sell or give-away option for them, so we painstakingly separated plastic disc and paper sleeves, and dumped all at the local recycling centre. Hi-Fi setups in four separate rooms. Again, very difficult to get rid of. So why in heaven?s name would you keep old bank statements and stuff like that? Oh, and two electronic organs, one of which we did flog on Ebay for ?800, but the other we couldn?t even give away. Several Aspidistra stands - you name it! And all the thirties brown furniture (it was a six bedroom house), thankfully the Cornish Lifeboat Society took most of that away. >> Most stressful of all though, was his train set. He had a 2ft wide x 8ft long board that had been fixed to a wall in a previous house, and joined to that by a long piano hinge, a 4ft x 8ft board with the rest of the layout on it. Scenery and all. Vintage Hornby 00 tri-rail - lots of it. Again, every item was immaculate and complete with original boxes etc. None of it had been unboxed or used since a previous house move at least 25 years earlier. He?d collected it because he hadn?t been allowed a train set as a kid. Shortly before he died, he told my wife that the boards were behind loads of ?brown? furniture in the garage (it was, we?d seen it), and the rest was in boxes hidden in a piece of loft space, and how to find it - hidden because he knew it had some value. When it came to clearance, all of that had mysteriously gone missing. There are only three people who could have filched it, and we know the two of them that didn?t. Suspect now has a luxurious houseboat somehwere on the Thames. Curious, that. >> >> All of which adds up to the same thing: de-clutter, don?t leave it to others, least of all those you can?t trust!! >> >> Still on the subject of train sets: An elderly musician and long-time friend of mine died about three years ago. He had no family and never married, and lived alone in a two bed flat in a desirable part of Guildford. In his will he left the flat to Guildford Cathedral to be used as Lay Clerk accomodation. The flat would have had a market value of around ?600,000. He was also a hoarder! You couldn?t actually see how big two of the rooms were. An absolute mountain of high-end vintage Hi-Fi gear, which was all subsequently sold at auction. Hundreds of LP?s and CD?s which were mostly given away to anyone who wanted them. Floor to ceiling bookshelves full of books of all kinds. But best of all, he had (again all boxed and perfect condition) a huge amount of Marklin track, scenery and rolling stock. That was left to a choral colleague as a thankyou for acting as his executor, and we?re told, fetched at auction, more than the flat was valued at. >> >> If this seems like endless waffle (which it is) it might be because just before I started, I stood up and bashed my head on an open cupboard door. It?s left a bump which is still bleeding! >> Cheers, I?ll go now, coffee time if I can remember where we keep it - only joking. >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 24 Jan 2021, at 21:45, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I?ve a Rexcel which I bought when I went Freelance back in 1993! Touch wood it is still working fine. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jan 25 07:25:41 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:25:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> Agreed that the refuse collectors prefer that shreddings are bagged up ? that?s only sensible! I take mine down to friends in Somerset who regularly have a bonfire to dispose of cardboard and paper. Well in the country and the ash is dispersed around a wood. (So, ashes to ashes!) My current shredder is a Fellowes H-2C, from Viking, which works well enough, the previous similar one had a motor breakdown, and its bin lives in the kitchen to collect recyclable materials. Model Dinky toys and the like fetch a deal more at auction if the original boxes are present and in good condition. What a shame about Reg?s train set ? was the suspected culprit ever tackled about it? Hornby three rail ? I still have several bits in my loft, from the original set given to me in Singapore, the locos still run OK. When Hornby switched to two rail, one could not run the older rolling stock as they had metal axles which would short circuit the supply. Triang produced OO gauge stuff, but it was made of plastic and not as good as the metal Hornby product. Dinky toys ? the tyres were removeable and were ? because you could! Invariably got lost, so Meccano marketed boxes of spare tyres. Good ploy, that. My school Model Railway club would only admit one if you did something to help the layout ? build a length of track, for instance. I rummaged around under one of the benches and discovered two gauge 1 carriages that formed the travelling post office set. A solenoid operated lever set into the track would activate the mechanism to extend the collector net from the carriage. It was necessary that the ?mail bag? was heavy enough to knock the internal lever to retract the collector net. My Mum made up some miniature mailsacks, and (horror of horrors) I melted down my lead soldiers collection of Britain?s Royal Marines Band for the lead weight. Such sacrilege, I now wish I hadn?t done that. M?rklin made superb model railways, but well out of the range of our pocket money in those far-off days! These toys should never be given to children! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 25 January 2021 12:23 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) Is a shredder actually more environmentally friendly than an incinerator? The shredder merely moves the carbon footprint to wherever your power is generated. Our local dump don?t want shredded paper blowing all over the place and will only accept it bagged up. But what about wherever it goes next? Most stressful of all though, was his train set. He had a 2ft wide x 8ft long board that had been fixed to a wall in a previous house, and joined to that by a long piano hinge, a 4ft x 8ft board with the rest of the layout on it. Scenery and all. Vintage Hornby 00 tri-rail - lots of it. Again, every item was immaculate and complete with original boxes etc. None of it had been unboxed or used since a previous house move at least 25 years earlier. He?d collected it because he hadn?t been allowed a train set as a kid. Shortly before he died, he told my wife that the boards were behind loads of ?brown? furniture in the garage (it was, we?d seen it), and the rest was in boxes hidden in a piece of loft space, and how to find it - hidden because he knew it had some value. When it came to clearance, all of that had mysteriously gone missing. There are only three people who could have filched it, and we know the two of them that didn?t. Suspect now has a luxurious houseboat somehwere on the Thames. Curious, that. Still on the subject of train sets: An elderly musician and long-time friend of mine died about three years ago. He had no family and never married, and lived alone in a two bed flat in a desirable part of Guildford. In his will he left the flat to Guildford Cathedral to be used as Lay Clerk accomodation. The flat would have had a market value of around ?600,000. He was also a hoarder! You couldn?t actually see how big two of the rooms were. An absolute mountain of high-end vintage Hi-Fi gear, which was all subsequently sold at auction. Hundreds of LP?s and CD?s which were mostly given away to anyone who wanted them. Floor to ceiling bookshelves full of books of all kinds. But best of all, he had (again all boxed and perfect condition) a huge amount of Marklin track, scenery and rolling stock. That was left to a choral colleague as a thankyou for acting as his executor, and we?re told, fetched at auction, more than the flat was valued at. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Jan 25 07:38:15 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:38:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> References: <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <52893F90-E741-4958-884A-762274614EEA@me.com> After my Tesco shredder packed up, somebody gave me their old shredder which was a strip shredder rather than type that makes confetti. I?ve been using it for donkeys years and the lower security issue is solved by destroying the shredding at home. A small quantity are sort of twisted and almost plaited to make excellent firefighters for the wood burner. The rest goes into the compost bin, where it rots down very rapidly and we eventually end up eating it the following year. Alan Taylor > On 25 Jan 2021, at 13:26, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Agreed that the refuse collectors prefer that shreddings are bagged up ? that?s only sensible! I take mine down to friends in Somerset who regularly have a bonfire to dispose of cardboard and paper. Well in the country and the ash is dispersed around a wood. (So, ashes to ashes!) My current shredder is a Fellowes H-2C, from Viking, which works well enough, the previous similar one had a motor breakdown, and its bin lives in the kitchen to collect recyclable materials. > Model Dinky toys and the like fetch a deal more at auction if the original boxes are present and in good condition. > What a shame about Reg?s train set ? was the suspected culprit ever tackled about it? Hornby three rail ? I still have several bits in my loft, from the original set given to me in Singapore, the locos still run OK. When Hornby switched to two rail, one could not run the older rolling stock as they had metal axles which would short circuit the supply. Triang produced OO gauge stuff, but it was made of plastic and not as good as the metal Hornby product. > Dinky toys ? the tyres were removeable and were ? because you could! Invariably got lost, so Meccano marketed boxes of spare tyres. Good ploy, that. > My school Model Railway club would only admit one if you did something to help the layout ? build a length of track, for instance. I rummaged around under one of the benches and discovered two gauge 1 carriages that formed the travelling post office set. A solenoid operated lever set into the track would activate the mechanism to extend the collector net from the carriage. It was necessary that the ?mail bag? was heavy enough to knock the internal lever to retract the collector net. > My Mum made up some miniature mailsacks, and (horror of horrors) I melted down my lead soldiers collection of Britain?s Royal Marines Band for the lead weight. Such sacrilege, I now wish I hadn?t done that. > M?rklin made superb model railways, but well out of the range of our pocket money in those far-off days! > > These toys should never be given to children! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 25 January 2021 12:23 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) > > Is a shredder actually more environmentally friendly than an incinerator? The shredder merely moves the carbon footprint to wherever your power is generated. Our local dump don?t want shredded paper blowing all over the place and will only accept it bagged up. But what about wherever it goes next? > > Most stressful of all though, was his train set. He had a 2ft wide x 8ft long board that had been fixed to a wall in a previous house, and joined to that by a long piano hinge, a 4ft x 8ft board with the rest of the layout on it. Scenery and all. Vintage Hornby 00 tri-rail - lots of it. Again, every item was immaculate and complete with original boxes etc. None of it had been unboxed or used since a previous house move at least 25 years earlier. He?d collected it because he hadn?t been allowed a train set as a kid. Shortly before he died, he told my wife that the boards were behind loads of ?brown? furniture in the garage (it was, we?d seen it), and the rest was in boxes hidden in a piece of loft space, and how to find it - hidden because he knew it had some value. When it came to clearance, all of that had mysteriously gone missing. There are only three people who could have filched it, and we know the two of them that didn?t. Suspect now has a luxurious houseboat somehwere on the Thames. Curious, that. > > Still on the subject of train sets: An elderly musician and long-time friend of mine died about three years ago. He had no family and never married, and lived alone in a two bed flat in a desirable part of Guildford. In his will he left the flat to Guildford Cathedral to be used as Lay Clerk accomodation. The flat would have had a market value of around ?600,000. He was also a hoarder! You couldn?t actually see how big two of the rooms were. An absolute mountain of high-end vintage Hi-Fi gear, which was all subsequently sold at auction. Hundreds of LP?s and CD?s which were mostly given away to anyone who wanted them. Floor to ceiling bookshelves full of books of all kinds. But best of all, he had (again all boxed and perfect condition) a huge amount of Marklin track, scenery and rolling stock. That was left to a choral colleague as a thankyou for acting as his executor, and we?re told, fetched at auction, more than the flat was valued at. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 25 07:49:46 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:49:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Nice idea! N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 25 Jan 2021, at 12:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? What to do with the shreddings? The other day I was shredding away on the kitchen work surface, making piles of shredded paper. In the sink next to it was a bowl of soapy water. I shoved the pile in, which made it a lot smaller, then I squeezed out the water, and put the block on the hot water tank. Next time I have an environmentally log fire, it will maybe make good kindling. B On 25/01/2021 12:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Put me down as another Rexel HS.25 user. Mine must be at least twenty years old if not more. It has been known to clog, but I blame myself as it needed emptying sooner! Two things: Is a shredder actually more environmentally friendly than an incinerator? The shredder merely moves the carbon footprint to wherever your power is generated. Our local dump don?t want shredded paper blowing all over the place and will only accept it bagged up. But what about wherever it goes next? If, like us, you don?t have neighbours close by, maybe the occasional bit of paper smoke isn?t too harmful? Especially now that we?re using our cars and aeroplanes less! Second: from experience of my F-in-L?s house a couple of years ago (quite near to Dr Woolf?s lovely house in Kernow), I would urge any hoarders to do the decent thing and not leave mountains of crap for your kids to deal with at a time when (hopefully) they are tearfully mourning the sad loss of their poor old Dad. Or they might just be wanting to flog the house as fast as they can and pocket the dosh! F-in-L Reg was a hoarder of the worst order, I would even say it was a mental illness. Everything he ever bought or was given, he kept the original boxes along with it for no good reason. There was a stack of about 200 plastic Wall?s ice cream cartons (?you never know, they might come in useful?)! LP?s, around five hundred, all easy listening Kaempfert/Manovani/Russ Conway type of stuff, and naff dance band music. There was no sell or give-away option for them, so we painstakingly separated plastic disc and paper sleeves, and dumped all at the local recycling centre. Hi-Fi setups in four separate rooms. Again, very difficult to get rid of. So why in heaven?s name would you keep old bank statements and stuff like that? Oh, and two electronic organs, one of which we did flog on Ebay for ?800, but the other we couldn?t even give away. Several Aspidistra stands - you name it! And all the thirties brown furniture (it was a six bedroom house), thankfully the Cornish Lifeboat Society took most of that away. Most stressful of all though, was his train set. He had a 2ft wide x 8ft long board that had been fixed to a wall in a previous house, and joined to that by a long piano hinge, a 4ft x 8ft board with the rest of the layout on it. Scenery and all. Vintage Hornby 00 tri-rail - lots of it. Again, every item was immaculate and complete with original boxes etc. None of it had been unboxed or used since a previous house move at least 25 years earlier. He?d collected it because he hadn?t been allowed a train set as a kid. Shortly before he died, he told my wife that the boards were behind loads of ?brown? furniture in the garage (it was, we?d seen it), and the rest was in boxes hidden in a piece of loft space, and how to find it - hidden because he knew it had some value. When it came to clearance, all of that had mysteriously gone missing. There are only three people who could have filched it, and we know the two of them that didn?t. Suspect now has a luxurious houseboat somehwere on the Thames. Curious, that. All of which adds up to the same thing: de-clutter, don?t leave it to others, least of all those you can?t trust!! Still on the subject of train sets: An elderly musician and long-time friend of mine died about three years ago. He had no family and never married, and lived alone in a two bed flat in a desirable part of Guildford. In his will he left the flat to Guildford Cathedral to be used as Lay Clerk accomodation. The flat would have had a market value of around ?600,000. He was also a hoarder! You couldn?t actually see how big two of the rooms were. An absolute mountain of high-end vintage Hi-Fi gear, which was all subsequently sold at auction. Hundreds of LP?s and CD?s which were mostly given away to anyone who wanted them. Floor to ceiling bookshelves full of books of all kinds. But best of all, he had (again all boxed and perfect condition) a huge amount of Marklin track, scenery and rolling stock. That was left to a choral colleague as a thankyou for acting as his executor, and we?re told, fetched at auction, more than the flat was valued at. If this seems like endless waffle (which it is) it might be because just before I started, I stood up and bashed my head on an open cupboard door. It?s left a bump which is still bleeding! Cheers, I?ll go now, coffee time if I can remember where we keep it - only joking. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 24 Jan 2021, at 21:45, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?I?ve a Rexcel which I bought when I went Freelance back in 1993! Touch wood it is still working fine. ? Graeme Wall -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 25 09:32:32 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 15:32:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> References: , <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That may or may not be, but to me it?s not just about the money. Something in a box that looks as if it?s never been used is just something in a box that?s never been used. If it?s a toy, or an old camera, or anything really, and it?s tatty because it has been used, you can see beyond the box and imagine who might have used it and where and when, and how it got to be tatty. Let your imagination run free, and while you?re doing that, figure out how you might restore it, repair it, modify and up-cycle it - what price do you put on that? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 25 Jan 2021, at 13:25, patheigham wrote: [edit] Model Dinky toys and the like fetch a deal more at auction if the original boxes are present and in good condition. These toys should never be given to children! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Jan 25 09:54:57 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 15:54:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree, things are meant to be enjoyed, not preserved in aspic. In 1982 I did a show in Spain where we visited a bodega with Bobby Charlton. The owner was so over the moon to be in the company of such a legend that he offered each of us a bottle of wine from the year we were born. As it turned out, I was born on a vintage year ( for wine as well as people ) and the few bottles he had left were half bottles. He suggested that I could have a half bottle from the exact year, or a full bottle from the preceding or following year. It only really made sense to have the correct vintage, so I gladly accepted the half bottle. Quite a few years later, we fancied some wine with our dinner and opened the half bottle. It was totally amazing. I had never tasted such excellent wine before and even our teenage kids immediately said that it was in a different league. At that time I happened to be working on a series with an actor who was very knowledgable about wine and I casually mentioned how I was previously sceptical about fine wine, but had that weekend tasted the difference. He asked me to bring in the empty bottle and when I did, he explained that a full bottle of that wine would be worth hundreds of pounds. I?m pleased that we drunk it without being aware of it?s monetary value because otherwise it would still be stored away as there are very few occasions when I might think it might be appropriate to pop the cork on a bottle which might now be worth ?500 or more. We will always have the memory of how delicious and rounded it was. Alan Taylor > On 25 Jan 2021, at 15:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > That may or may not be, but to me it?s not just about the money. Something in a box that looks as if it?s never been used is just something in a box that?s never been used. If it?s a toy, or an old camera, or anything really, and it?s tatty because it has been used, you can see beyond the box and imagine who might have used it and where and when, and how it got to be tatty. Let your imagination run free, and while you?re doing that, figure out how you might restore it, repair it, modify and up-cycle it - what price do you put on that? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 25 Jan 2021, at 13:25, patheigham wrote: >>> [edit] >> Model Dinky toys and the like fetch a deal more at auction if the original boxes are present and in good condition. >> >> These toys should never be given to children! >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Jan 25 10:13:22 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 16:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: References: <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58f46e6eb6davesound@btinternet.com> One of my brother's hobbies is restoring and or modifying toy cars, etc. A very useful hobby to have during this virus and having to avoid others. As a present, he likes a box of old Dinky toys from a jumble sale above just about anything else. And to add to the hoarder thing, he has something like 5000 of them. In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > That may or may not be, but to me it?s not just about the money. Something in a box that looks as if it?s never been used is just something in a box that?s never been used. If it?s a toy, or an old camera, or anything really, and it?s tatty because it has been used, you can see beyond the box and imagine who might have used it and where and when, and how it got to be tatty. Let your imagination run free, and while you?re doing that, figure out how you might restore it, repair it, modify and up-cycle it - what price do you put on that? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 10:34:34 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 16:34:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] School model railways - Tea with Ricky In-Reply-To: <52893F90-E741-4958-884A-762274614EEA@me.com> References: <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> <52893F90-E741-4958-884A-762274614EEA@me.com> Message-ID: <6c06cdaa-f7a8-74f9-9564-4b31acaf6583@gmail.com> Hi all, On 25/01/2021 13:38, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > My school Model Railway club would only admit one if you did something > to help the layout When I was teaching, I set up a model railway club at the school.No requirements to join ? just be enthused? In those days, teachers could take kids out for no particular reason, so I arranged that one Sunday I would collect a group of the model railway club boys from outside of school, pile them into the school minibus and take them to see -Pendon! With letters of agreement from the parents, they could all coma back to my house for tea and cake before I returned the boys to Whitley. On the way to Pendon we had a scare, as a Morris (1100 I think it was) came hurtling round one of the corners of the narrow roads near to Pendon, and it had to swerve and mount the bank at the side of the road to avoid hitting the minibus.As it happened, the roof to side offside seam of the car just scraped the side of the minibus, but no damage, no one hurt, and we carried on. After the visit to Pendon, we all went back to my house, and my wife had laid on a good spread for the boys.Now, one of the boys was a certain Ricky Gervais. (yes, that Ricky).So I can safely say that Ricky Gervais has had tea at my house. After tea, I dropped the boys outside their homes in Whitley. Ricky often mentions his school in his routines, but he has never ? to my knowledge ? mentioned that visit.If you have seen his film ?Cemetery Junction? you probably did not pick up on all the in-joke references in the film, such as this one: In the film, the street where the action takes place is reasonably pretty, whereas this is the reality: The green arrow points to the site of the school ? it fell down in the late 1980s. Along this road went the number 15 Bus route to Northumberland Avenue: the buses were Denis Loline III(Bristol Lodekkas built under licence) and were painted at that time Crimson and Cream ? here is one on its way back to ?Stations? (Reading had two stations side by side at that time...) And here is a 15 at the Station terminus Ricky uses one of those buses (with number 15 on the route indicator) going back and forth in the film ?Cemetery Junction? ? this was, of course, another in-joke: ?Cemetery Junction? was a part-time terminus for the main East-West Trolley Bus route in Reading(got changed to a Railway Station in the film). The main North-South Trolley Bus route had its terminus reasonably close to the Northumberland Avenue terminus of the 15 ? but this trolley bus terminus was one of the very few reversing termini for Trolley Buses in the country(Reading actually had TWO, although one was part-time). Apologies for the quality of the pictures and for the watermarks ? just tried to get pix that told the story! -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It never overheats even after 30 min continuous shredding, and my version will mince up loose till slips etc. as well cards and CDs (separated into a different bin). Never regretted paying that little extra about 15 years ago. Chris Woolf On 25/01/2021 09:25, Richard Blencowe via Tech1 wrote: > Hi, > > I bought a Bonsaii shredder from Amazon in 2019. It shredded well but had a cooling fan which never turned off even if the mains was disconnected and then reconnected, the fan came back on. I contacted Bonsaii to ask if this was normal, their reply did not address my question so was not was not helpful. I returned it to Amazon as faulty (and got a full refund) and now have a Fellowes 450M which has worked well for over a year now (no fan but stops if overheated and soon starts again). Hope this is helpful. > > Dick Blencowe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 24 January 2021 21:42 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] Shredders > > My last shredder was a Tesco Executive model and my daughter had the > same one. Eventually, the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels > gradually broke off allowing the paper strips to build up into a solid > lump which was very difficult to remove. It was also so noisy that you > couldn't carry on a conversation whilst shredding! I looked at several > on line and chose a Bonsaii C-169 on Amazon reduced from ?149 to ?119, > but looked quite good for the amount of shredding I need to do before > dying! Anyway, I ordered it on the 22nd., Amazon said it would arrive on > 26th. , then the 25th. and it arrived today, in the snow and ice this > evening on the 24th.! I am very pleased with it so far, it is so much > quieter than my last one and has a pull-out waste bin so that I don't > need to lift off the motor unit to empty it. It can take 14 pages (but > not recommended!), CDs, and Credit cards etc. In my old shredder the > plastic fingers between the cutter wheels measured 1.9mm. thick, in this > new shredder they measure 3.9mm. so hopefully they will last a lot > longer! Cheers, Dave > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mibridge at mac.com Mon Jan 25 17:01:10 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 23:01:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: <8f73e51b-5019-f13a-59bb-88d24f0c7465@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <8f73e51b-5019-f13a-59bb-88d24f0c7465@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA@mac.com> According to QI, till slips should not be included with paper for recycling because they use heat sensitive paper, which is incompatible with recycling. I?ve been shredding them for years along with ordinary paper, so I hope I haven?t scuppered the planet, but now I screw them up and put the whole lot in the food waste bin, as I have done very frequently with any sensitive details from all paperwork when I?m sorting paperwork in the kitchen rather than the office. I?ve always taken the view that it would take an extremely determined sleuth to go through rotting food waste in the search for personal information. Mike G > On 25 Jan 2021, at 18:12, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Been through various moderate priced shredders, and they were all pants. Eventually they either minced their gears or overheated - and if they did have a thermal switch they spent more time stopping than shredding. > > Then I bought a Kobra. Different league - you feed it anything and if it can't eat it it reverses the stuff out and suggests you try a smaller mouthful. It never overheats even after 30 min continuous shredding, and my version will mince up loose till slips etc. as well cards and CDs (separated into a different bin). > > Never regretted paying that little extra about 15 years ago. > > Chris Woolf > >> On 25/01/2021 09:25, Richard Blencowe via Tech1 wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I bought a Bonsaii shredder from Amazon in 2019. It shredded well but had a cooling fan which never turned off even if the mains was disconnected and then reconnected, the fan came back on. I contacted Bonsaii to ask if this was normal, their reply did not address my question so was not was not helpful. I returned it to Amazon as faulty (and got a full refund) and now have a Fellowes 450M which has worked well for over a year now (no fan but stops if overheated and soon starts again). Hope this is helpful. >> >> Dick Blencowe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: 24 January 2021 21:42 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard >> Subject: [Tech1] Shredders >> >> My last shredder was a Tesco Executive model and my daughter had the >> same one. Eventually, the plastic fingers between the cutter wheels >> gradually broke off allowing the paper strips to build up into a solid >> lump which was very difficult to remove. It was also so noisy that you >> couldn't carry on a conversation whilst shredding! I looked at several >> on line and chose a Bonsaii C-169 on Amazon reduced from ?149 to ?119, >> but looked quite good for the amount of shredding I need to do before >> dying! Anyway, I ordered it on the 22nd., Amazon said it would arrive on >> 26th. , then the 25th. and it arrived today, in the snow and ice this >> evening on the 24th.! I am very pleased with it so far, it is so much >> quieter than my last one and has a pull-out waste bin so that I don't >> need to lift off the motor unit to empty it. It can take 14 pages (but >> not recommended!), CDs, and Credit cards etc. In my old shredder the >> plastic fingers between the cutter wheels measured 1.9mm. thick, in this >> new shredder they measure 3.9mm. so hopefully they will last a lot >> longer! Cheers, Dave >> >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 26 04:24:36 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:24:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA@mac.com> References: <8f73e51b-5019-f13a-59bb-88d24f0c7465@chriswoolf.co.uk> <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA@mac.com> Message-ID: <600fede4.1c69fb81.751ca.071a@mx.google.com> Hi Mike, That?s a new one on me. We are both in Mole Valley, and I discovered from the Council that black food trays should not be put for recycling, as the sorting machinery doesn?t distinguish them! This is not mentioned in the ?helpful? guide that gets sent round every so often. Dead flower arrangements should not be placed in the food waste bin, but however often I tell our residents, it still happens! I do remove my address details from correspondence, those get shredded and the remainder goes for recycling. Hope you are coping OK with the sudden snowfall. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 25 January 2021 23:01 To: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders According to QI, till slips should not be included with paper for recycling because they use heat sensitive paper, which is incompatible with recycling. I?ve been shredding them for years along with ordinary paper, so I hope I haven?t scuppered the planet, but now I screw them up and put the whole lot in the food waste bin, as I have done very frequently with any sensitive details from all paperwork when I?m sorting paperwork in the kitchen rather than the office. I?ve always taken the view that it would take an extremely determined sleuth to go through rotting food waste in the search for personal information. Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Jan 26 04:52:08 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:52:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: <600fede4.1c69fb81.751ca.071a@mx.google.com> References: <600fede4.1c69fb81.751ca.071a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <684807EA-BD71-40F7-A6B6-796376D6428D@me.com> Any idea why dead flowers should not go in food waste? We compost dead flowers in our garden bin without any issues. Is your food waste used to feed animals rather then composted? I didn?t think that still happens. Alan Taylor > On 26 Jan 2021, at 10:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi Mike, > That?s a new one on me. We are both in Mole Valley, and I discovered from the Council that black food trays should not be put for recycling, as the sorting machinery doesn?t distinguish them! This is not mentioned in the ?helpful? guide that gets sent round every so often. Dead flower arrangements should not be placed in the food waste bin, but however often I tell our residents, it still happens! I do remove my address details from correspondence, those get shredded and the remainder goes for recycling. > Hope you are coping OK with the sudden snowfall. > Regards > Pat > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dead flower arrangements should not be placed in the food waste bin, but however often I tell our residents, it still happens! I do remove my address details from correspondence, those get shredded and the remainder goes for recycling. >> Hope you are coping OK with the sudden snowfall. >> Regards >> Pat >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Jan 26 05:05:57 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA@mac.com> References: <8f73e51b-5019-f13a-59bb-88d24f0c7465@chriswoolf.co.uk> <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA@mac.com> Message-ID: <58f4d61fc3davesound@btinternet.com> Recycling in this part of London won't take shredded paper as part of the collection. Either in with the general rubbish, or make a special journey to a recycle centre. IMHO there should be a national policy on recycling. In article <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA at mac.com>, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > According to QI, till slips should not be included with paper for > recycling because they use heat sensitive paper, which is incompatible > with recycling. I?ve been shredding them for years along with ordinary > paper, so I hope I haven?t scuppered the planet, but now I screw them up > and put the whole lot in the food waste bin, as I have done very > frequently with any sensitive details from all paperwork when I?m > sorting paperwork in the kitchen rather than the office. I?ve always > taken the view that it would take an extremely determined sleuth to go > through rotting food waste in the search for personal information. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 26 05:13:56 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:13:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: <684807EA-BD71-40F7-A6B6-796376D6428D@me.com> References: <600fede4.1c69fb81.751ca.071a@mx.google.com> <684807EA-BD71-40F7-A6B6-796376D6428D@me.com> Message-ID: <600ff974.1c69fb81.1ca25.8cc1@mx.google.com> Our local Council (Mole Valley) offer a garden waste collection service, but that?s a chargeable extra! Participants get a different brown lid bin and it?s collected separately. That works for individual properties, but for my little development of three blocks of flats, we have a compost heap which is maintained by our grounds contractors, turned over and spread around flower beds. >From the Council web site: After it is collected from your outside caddy, the food waste is taken to an anaerobic digestion (AD) facility. Through AD, micro-organisms break down the?food waste producing biogas which is collected and used to generate electricity, heat and transport fuel. It also creates biofertiliser that can be used in farming and land regeneration. Hope this answers the question! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 26 January 2021 10:52 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders Any idea why dead flowers should not go in food waste? ?We compost dead flowers in our garden bin without any issues. ?Is your food waste used to feed animals rather then composted? ?I didn?t think that still happens.? Alan Taylor On 26 Jan 2021, at 10:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi Mike, That?s a new one on me. We are both in Mole Valley, and I discovered from the Council that black food trays should not be put for recycling, as the sorting machinery doesn?t distinguish them! This is not mentioned in the ?helpful? guide that gets sent round every so often. Dead flower arrangements should not be placed in the food waste bin, but however often I tell our residents, it still happens! I do remove my address details from correspondence, those get shredded and the remainder goes for recycling. Hope you are coping OK with the sudden snowfall. Regards Pat ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Jan 26 05:50:12 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:50:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: <58f4d61fc3davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f4d61fc3davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <16D05D8D-1A99-4C38-8DAB-B09933016AAC@me.com> We live in Oxfordshire but Warwickshire starts in the field behind our house and Northamptonshire starts the other side of a nearby village. Each county has different recycling arrangements and their own colour coding for what each bin is used for. When my daughter visits, she throws food waste into the green bin because that?s the green waste bin where she lives. Round here, green waste goes in the brown bin and the green bin is for landfill rubbish. Some counties take mixed recycling, while others expect householders to use different bins for each type. West Berkshire takes glass within their mixed recycling, while Oxfordshire doesn?t. The time is long overdue for a consistent nationwide colour code for bins, with consistent arrangements for what can and can?t be recycled. The existing bins don?t need to be thrown away, they can be coded in some way with a sticker or tag to signify that this brown bin now self-identifies as a green bin until such time as it is due to be replaced. Trying to recycle things like print cartridges or water filters made by anybody other than Britax is difficult round here. It?s only done by retailers and most can?t be bothered, even though their web sites claim that they do recycle stuff in that branch. The Red Cross charity shop used to collect print cartridges, but they shut the local branch and others don?t take them. Some Tesco stores have multi compartment units for recycling such things, but most don?t. It?s down to individual managers and ours isn?t fussed about recycling if it takes up space which could otherwise be occupied by a ride-on coin in the slot machine for spoilt brats who pester sufficiently. Even the battery recycling bin in the shop is often taken away to make room for other things. Legally they must accept batteries for recycling, but don?t actually need to provide a bin. Alan Taylor > On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Recycling in this part of London won't take shredded paper as part of the > collection. Either in with the general rubbish, or make a special journey > to a recycle centre. IMHO there should be a national policy on recycling. > > > In article <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> According to QI, till slips should not be included with paper for >> recycling because they use heat sensitive paper, which is incompatible >> with recycling. I?ve been shredding them for years along with ordinary >> paper, so I hope I haven?t scuppered the planet, but now I screw them up >> and put the whole lot in the food waste bin, as I have done very >> frequently with any sensitive details from all paperwork when I?m >> sorting paperwork in the kitchen rather than the office. I?ve always >> taken the view that it would take an extremely determined sleuth to go >> through rotting food waste in the search for personal information. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 26 05:50:24 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:50:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: References: , <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <60100200.1c69fb81.6ffb3.59ea@mx.google.com> I was going by what the ?experts? say on programmes such as Antiques Roadshow. Great store is set if the original boxes are there and in good condition. I would say that collectors seem to be prepared to pay lots of dosh if they really want something, and of course the vendor is looking for a high return. So it is about the money, I would say. I was informed that my clockwork loco may not be worth as much, as the paintwork has been touched up and therefore is no longer ?original?. However I like the restored look and would probably never sell it, unless really strapped for care home fees! I also inherited a Mikiphone, which was restored by Roger Davies, who lived in my village and ran an antique clock repair business. He fixed the spring, made a new knurled needle clamp and gave me some steel needles. I recovered the turntable platter with green felt as the original was a bit dog-eared. Just the thing to take along with a pretty girl in a punt on the river! Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 25 January 2021 15:32 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) That may or may not be, but to me it?s not just about the money. Something in a box that looks as if it?s never been used is just something in a box that?s never been used. If it?s a toy, or an old camera, or anything really, and it?s tatty because it has been used, you can see beyond the box and imagine who might have used it and where and when, and how it got to be tatty. Let your imagination run free, and while you?re doing that, figure out how you might restore it, repair it, modify and up-cycle it - what price do you put on that? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 25 Jan 2021, at 13:25, patheigham wrote: [edit] Model Dinky toys and the like fetch a deal more at auction if the original boxes are present and in good condition. ?These toys should never be given to children! Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can?t honestly see how a chrysanthemum or a dahlia differ from cabbage stalks or uneaten potatoes in the composting process. And yes, Pat, we are enjoying the snow, not that it?s likely to remain with us much longer! Mike G > On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Recycling in this part of London won't take shredded paper as part of the > collection. Either in with the general rubbish, or make a special journey > to a recycle centre. IMHO there should be a national policy on recycling. > > > In article <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> According to QI, till slips should not be included with paper for >> recycling because they use heat sensitive paper, which is incompatible >> with recycling. I?ve been shredding them for years along with ordinary >> paper, so I hope I haven?t scuppered the planet, but now I screw them up >> and put the whole lot in the food waste bin, as I have done very >> frequently with any sensitive details from all paperwork when I?m >> sorting paperwork in the kitchen rather than the office. I?ve always >> taken the view that it would take an extremely determined sleuth to go >> through rotting food waste in the search for personal information. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From Waresound at msn.com Tue Jan 26 06:34:03 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:34:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <60100200.1c69fb81.6ffb3.59ea@mx.google.com> References: , <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> , <60100200.1c69fb81.6ffb3.59ea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You might be needing some of these, then. (thrupp?ney bit for scale). Rusty, but loved. Nick. [cid:EE8BB036-F059-4FDA-98FB-60E681E79C12-L0-001] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:50, patheigham wrote: ? [razor blade edit] I also inherited a Mikiphone, which was restored by Roger Davies, who lived in my village and ran an antique clock repair business. He fixed the spring, made a new knurled needle clamp and gave me some steel needles. I recovered the turntable platter with green felt as the original was a bit dog-eared. Just the thing to take along with a pretty girl in a punt on the river! Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 79B9B53C675C4D029037750F66E86284.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 33403 bytes Desc: 79B9B53C675C4D029037750F66E86284.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can put a small amount of cut flowers in your food waste collection but it needs to be in a compostable bag or wrapped in newspaper. I assume that Oasis and supporting material is not welome in the food waste bin. Composting is different ? see my earlier posting. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 26 January 2021 12:01 To: Dave Plowman Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders By ?dead flower arrangements?, do they simply mean don?t include the Oasis or other supporting materials like wires or tape? I can?t honestly see how a chrysanthemum or a dahlia differ from cabbage stalks or uneaten potatoes in the composting process. Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jan 26 06:50:24 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:50:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: References: , <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> , <60100200.1c69fb81.6ffb3.59ea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <60101010.1c69fb81.e7937.3532@mx.google.com> Splendid! Roger (who was a TA at TVC) used the steel needles as replacement stand-off spacers between different layers of clock mechanisms. He was a talented clock maker ? the knurled needle holder he made is absolutely exquisite. So sad when he passed away. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 26 January 2021 12:34 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) You might be needing some of these, then. (thrupp?ney bit for scale). Rusty, but loved. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:50, patheigham wrote: ? [razor blade edit] I also inherited a Mikiphone, which was restored by Roger Davies, who lived in my village and ran an antique clock repair business. He fixed the spring, made a new knurled needle clamp and gave me some steel needles. I recovered the turntable platter with green felt as the original was a bit dog-eared. Just the thing to take along with a pretty girl in a punt on the river! ? ? ? Regards Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 564ADB321A77425C86845F4F76E2498E.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 59553 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Jan 26 07:27:11 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:27:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders Message-ID: While we are all encouraged to recycle, here in Suffolk we are defiantly going backwards. Plastic bags and thin film could be put in the recycling bin, but the council stopped that because it was clogging their machines. We could still take it to the recycling centre. Six months ago that was stopped and we were advised to take it to supermarket bag collection points. So now I'm the black bin. However since they no longer give out plastic bags, most have no interest in collecting them. Many years ago we were given a small plastic bucket to collect kitchen waste to put in the garden bin. That was stopped at the same time they decided to charge for garden waste collection. So now in the black bin. I am sure many decided not to pay and put everything in the normal waste. Added to which our local recycling centre was closed and it is now a twenty mile round trip to the nearest one. A couple of local shops used to aluminium foil for charity, but both stopped, at least that can still go into the blue bin if it is squashed into a large enough ball. The amount of rubbish going in our black bin has at least doubled in the last couple of years. Doug On 26 January 2021, at 11:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: We live in Oxfordshire but Warwickshire starts in the field behind our house and Northamptonshire starts the other side of a nearby village. Each county has different recycling arrangements and their own colour coding for what each bin is used for. When my daughter visits, she throws food waste into the green bin because that?s the green waste bin where she lives. Round here, green waste goes in the brown bin and the green bin is for landfill rubbish. Some counties take mixed recycling, while others expect householders to use different bins for each type. West Berkshire takes glass within their mixed recycling, while Oxfordshire doesn?t. The time is long overdue for a consistent nationwide colour code for bins, with consistent arrangements for what can and can?t be recycled. The existing bins don?t need to be thrown away, they can be coded in some way with a sticker or tag to signify that this brown bin now self-identifies as a green bin until such time as it is due to be replaced. Trying to recycle things like print cartridges or water filters made by anybody other than Britax is difficult round here. It?s only done by retailers and most can?t be bothered, even though their web sites claim that they do recycle stuff in that branch. The Red Cross charity shop used to collect print cartridges, but they shut the local branch and others don?t take them. Some Tesco stores have multi compartment units for recycling such things, but most don?t. It?s down to individual managers and ours isn?t fussed about recycling if it takes up space which could otherwise be occupied by a ride-on coin in the slot machine for spoilt brats who pester sufficiently. Even the battery recycling bin in the shop is often taken away to make room for other things. Legally they must accept batteries for recycling, but don?t actually need to provide a bin. Alan Taylor > On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Recycling in this part of London won't take shredded paper as part of the > collection. Either in with the general rubbish, or make a special journey > to a recycle centre. IMHO there should be a national policy on recycling. > > > In article <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> According to QI, till slips should not be included with paper for >> recycling because they use heat sensitive paper, which is incompatible >> with recycling. I?ve been shredding them for years along with ordinary >> paper, so I hope I haven?t scuppered the planet, but now I screw them up >> and put the whole lot in the food waste bin, as I have done very >> frequently with any sensitive details from all paperwork when I?m >> sorting paperwork in the kitchen rather than the office. I?ve always >> taken the view that it would take an extremely determined sleuth to go >> through rotting food waste in the search for personal information. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Jan 26 07:34:03 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:34:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders Message-ID: I hate auto correct. Bags are now "in" the black bin. On 26 January 2021, at 13:27, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: While we are all encouraged to recycle, here in Suffolk we are defiantly going backwards. Plastic bags and thin film could be put in the recycling bin, but the council stopped that because it was clogging their machines. We could still take it to the recycling centre. Six months ago that was stopped and we were advised to take it to supermarket bag collection points. So now I'm the black bin. However since they no longer give out plastic bags, most have no interest in collecting them. Many years ago we were given a small plastic bucket to collect kitchen waste to put in the garden bin. That was stopped at the same time they decided to charge for garden waste collection. So now in the black bin. I am sure many decided not to pay and put everything in the normal waste. Added to which our local recycling centre was closed and it is now a twenty mile round trip to the nearest one. A couple of local shops used to aluminium foil for charity, but both stopped, at least that can still go into the blue bin if it is squashed into a large enough ball. The amount of rubbish going in our black bin has at least doubled in the last couple of years. Doug On 26 January 2021, at 11:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: We live in Oxfordshire but Warwickshire starts in the field behind our house and Northamptonshire starts the other side of a nearby village. Each county has different recycling arrangements and their own colour coding for what each bin is used for. When my daughter visits, she throws food waste into the green bin because that?s the green waste bin where she lives. Round here, green waste goes in the brown bin and the green bin is for landfill rubbish. Some counties take mixed recycling, while others expect householders to use different bins for each type. West Berkshire takes glass within their mixed recycling, while Oxfordshire doesn?t. The time is long overdue for a consistent nationwide colour code for bins, with consistent arrangements for what can and can?t be recycled. The existing bins don?t need to be thrown away, they can be coded in some way with a sticker or tag to signify that this brown bin now self-identifies as a green bin until such time as it is due to be replaced. Trying to recycle things like print cartridges or water filters made by anybody other than Britax is difficult round here. It?s only done by retailers and most can?t be bothered, even though their web sites claim that they do recycle stuff in that branch. The Red Cross charity shop used to collect print cartridges, but they shut the local branch and others don?t take them. Some Tesco stores have multi compartment units for recycling such things, but most don?t. It?s down to individual managers and ours isn?t fussed about recycling if it takes up space which could otherwise be occupied by a ride-on coin in the slot machine for spoilt brats who pester sufficiently. Even the battery recycling bin in the shop is often taken away to make room for other things. Legally they must accept batteries for recycling, but don?t actually need to provide a bin. Alan Taylor > On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Recycling in this part of London won't take shredded paper as part of the > collection. Either in with the general rubbish, or make a special journey > to a recycle centre. IMHO there should be a national policy on recycling. > > > In article <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> According to QI, till slips should not be included with paper for >> recycling because they use heat sensitive paper, which is incompatible >> with recycling. I?ve been shredding them for years along with ordinary >> paper, so I hope I haven?t scuppered the planet, but now I screw them up >> and put the whole lot in the food waste bin, as I have done very >> frequently with any sensitive details from all paperwork when I?m >> sorting paperwork in the kitchen rather than the office. I?ve always >> taken the view that it would take an extremely determined sleuth to go >> through rotting food waste in the search for personal information. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From Waresound at msn.com Tue Jan 26 07:41:27 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:41:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <60101010.1c69fb81.e7937.3532@mx.google.com> References: , <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com> , <60100200.1c69fb81.6ffb3.59ea@mx.google.com> , <60101010.1c69fb81.e7937.3532@mx.google.com> Message-ID: By the way, I?ve had those two HMV needle tins since I was a schoolboy. A school friend of mine, David Sixsmith, who lived near us in East Horsley at the time, used to travel by train from Bath, changing at Reading, to Guildford at end of term, and used my wind-up HMV portable gramophone to discourage other passengers from coming into ?our? carriage compartment. ?Cumberland Gap? by Lonnie Donnegan, and ?A handful of Songs? by Tommy Steele, did the trick! Unbeknown to me at the time, Sixsmith joined the BBC at the same time as I did, but became a Transmitter engineer, and I never saw him again. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Jan 2021, at 12:50, patheigham wrote: ? Splendid! Roger (who was a TA at TVC) used the steel needles as replacement stand-off spacers between different layers of clock mechanisms. He was a talented clock maker ? the knurled needle holder he made is absolutely exquisite. So sad when he passed away. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 26 January 2021 12:34 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) You might be needing some of these, then. (thrupp?ney bit for scale). Rusty, but loved. Nick. [cid:image002.jpg at 01D6F3E1.CF910FF0] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:50, patheigham wrote: ? [razor blade edit] I also inherited a Mikiphone, which was restored by Roger Davies, who lived in my village and ran an antique clock repair business. He fixed the spring, made a new knurled needle clamp and gave me some steel needles. I recovered the turntable platter with green felt as the original was a bit dog-eared. Just the thing to take along with a pretty girl in a punt on the river! 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I pass on quite a few old plastic bags to the local pet foot supplier who makes good use of them. John Nottage On 26/01/2021 13:27, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > While we are all encouraged to recycle, here in Suffolk we are defiantly going backwards. Plastic bags and thin film could be put in the recycling bin, but the council stopped that because it was clogging their machines. We could still take it to the recycling centre. Six months ago that was stopped and we were advised to take it to supermarket bag collection points. So now I'm the black bin. However since they no longer give out plastic bags, most have no interest in collecting them. Many years ago we were given a small plastic bucket to collect kitchen waste to put in the garden bin. That was stopped at the same time they decided to charge for garden waste collection. So now in the black bin. I am sure many decided not to pay and put everything in the normal waste. Added to which our local recycling centre was closed and it is now a twenty mile round trip to the nearest one. A couple of local shops used to aluminium foil for charity, but both stopped, at least that can still go into the blue bin if it is squashed into a large enough ball. The amount of rubbish going in our black bin has at least doubled in the last couple of years. > > Doug > > On 26 January 2021, at 11:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > We live in Oxfordshire but Warwickshire starts in the field behind our house and Northamptonshire starts the other side of a nearby village. Each county has different recycling arrangements and their own colour coding for what each bin is used for. > > When my daughter visits, she throws food waste into the green bin because that?s the green waste bin where she lives. Round here, green waste goes in the brown bin and the green bin is for landfill rubbish. Some counties take mixed recycling, while others expect householders to use different bins for each type. West Berkshire takes glass within their mixed recycling, while Oxfordshire doesn?t. > > The time is long overdue for a consistent nationwide colour code for bins, with consistent arrangements for what can and can?t be recycled. The existing bins don?t need to be thrown away, they can be coded in some way with a sticker or tag to signify that this brown bin now self-identifies as a green bin until such time as it is due to be replaced. > > Trying to recycle things like print cartridges or water filters made by anybody other than Britax is difficult round here. It?s only done by retailers and most can?t be bothered, even though their web sites claim that they do recycle stuff in that branch. The Red Cross charity shop used to collect print cartridges, but they shut the local branch and others don?t take them. Some Tesco stores have multi compartment units for recycling such things, but most don?t. It?s down to individual managers and ours isn?t fussed about recycling if it takes up space which could otherwise be occupied by a ride-on coin in the slot machine for spoilt brats who pester sufficiently. Even the battery recycling bin in the shop is often taken away to make room for other things. Legally they must accept batteries for recycling, but don?t actually need to provide a bin. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Recycling in this part of London won't take shredded paper as part of the >> collection. Either in with the general rubbish, or make a special journey >> to a recycle centre. IMHO there should be a national policy on recycling. >> >> >> In article <1DE05AD0-9D96-469F-A2FE-FB25540DC8DA at mac.com>, >> Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> According to QI, till slips should not be included with paper for >>> recycling because they use heat sensitive paper, which is incompatible >>> with recycling. I?ve been shredding them for years along with ordinary >>> paper, so I hope I haven?t scuppered the planet, but now I screw them up >>> and put the whole lot in the food waste bin, as I have done very >>> frequently with any sensitive details from all paperwork when I?m >>> sorting paperwork in the kitchen rather than the office. I?ve always >>> taken the view that it would take an extremely determined sleuth to go >>> through rotting food waste in the search for personal information. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Jan 26 07:53:35 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 13:53:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74ff1c83-7fdf-80ca-13dc-3ccc0c45b94c@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 26/01/2021 13:27, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > While we are all encouraged to recycle, here in Suffolk we are defiantly going backwards..... You've highlighted a common problem in this country - a presumption that telling people NOT to do something, makes them obey - it's almost always counterproductive. When the local recycling centre started to charge for throwing tyres away, guess what? The fly-tipping of tyres increased 100% overnight. Pay people ?1 to bring them to the centre and the council would save the cost of sending people and lorries to collect the stuff, but they can't bring themselves to do that. Tell people they should preserve bat roosts, and then charge them vast amounts for bat surveys and "mitigation" if they might be risking doing damage to roosts - you can guarantee that the every bat dropping will be hoovered up, bats poisoned and every conservation effort thwarted. Pay people with bat roosts ?50 a year to keep them, and they become an asset. Our bat officer is great and could only make a grovelling apology that he was having to charge us ?3k for doing what we wanted to do anyway. [We have had a "pet" horsehoe bat for years]. We're seeing the same problem with Covid quarantine. Tell some penniless person that they must get tested for Covid, and then sit at home for a fortnight earning nothing if they find they are +ve - what do you expect them to do? Pay them their normal salary at the same time as telling them to stay home, and you are far more likely to get compliance. The psychology is hardly complicated or surprising - how many parents have discovered that providing some petty incentive works better on kids that threatening to whack them? Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From Waresound at msn.com Tue Jan 26 08:08:03 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:08:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <025B035E98424ED6B7EAA0295408FD74@Gigabyte> References: , <600ec6d5.1c69fb81.e6554.5a2f@mx.google.com>, <60100200.1c69fb81.6ffb3.59ea@mx.google.com> , <025B035E98424ED6B7EAA0295408FD74@Gigabyte> Message-ID: You never know what you might find if you go poking around in bushes. Why is an iPod not altogether surprising?! N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Jan 2021, at 13:06, Mike Jordan wrote: ? That reminds me I need another replacement battery for my old (found in a bush) iPod ! Found the special USB lead and software online. A couple of years ago I managed to get one and fitting instructions! Mike From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 12:34 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) You might be needing some of these, then. (thrupp?ney bit for scale). Rusty, but loved. Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Jan 26 08:20:33 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:20:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <025B035E98424ED6B7EAA0295408FD74@Gigabyte> References: <025B035E98424ED6B7EAA0295408FD74@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <268D5055-4204-4213-AC0C-921C2833C3B4@me.com> If that iPod uses the old 30 pin connectors used before Lightning ports, I?ve probably still got some kicking around if they are of any use to you. I?ll take a look if you want in my nest of old SCSI leads and other orphaned leads. Alan Taylor > On 26 Jan 2021, at 13:06, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > That reminds me I need another replacement battery for my old (found in a bush) iPod ! > Found the special USB lead and software online. > A couple of years ago I managed to get one and fitting instructions! > > Mike > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 12:34 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) > > You might be needing some of these, then. (thrupp?ney bit for scale). Rusty, but loved. > Nick. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Jan 26 09:46:32 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 15:46:32 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <268D5055-4204-4213-AC0C-921C2833C3B4@me.com> References: <025B035E98424ED6B7EAA0295408FD74@Gigabyte> <268D5055-4204-4213-AC0C-921C2833C3B4@me.com> Message-ID: <5072E2B774CF480194131645C5163A1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I wonder Alan if there are many of us who, like yourself, harbour something of a hoard of legacy cables & bits. I?m seriously guilty, having to put my hand up to not just modern era obsolete tech but kettle plugs of the original large diameter variety, plug in lighting bayonet splitters, 2A, 3A, 5A and 15A round pin plugs, mains clock connector outlets and lord knows what else. I think Nick might have me up before the beak! My son, now 52 is as bad as I am so maybe when the great sort out comes he?ll forgive me. Those old lighting bayonet splitters usually had a a switch incorporated as an on/off for the angled side socket. I well remember my mother using it for her iron as it was much more convenient when power outlets were pretty sparsely distributed in the average house. No earth of course and I think irons of the period often pulled about 3A which on a 5A fused lighting circuit didn?t leave much spare capacity. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 2:20 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) If that iPod uses the old 30 pin connectors used before Lightning ports, I?ve probably still got some kicking around if they are of any use to you. I?ll take a look if you want in my nest of old SCSI leads and other orphaned leads. Alan Taylor On 26 Jan 2021, at 13:06, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: ? That reminds me I need another replacement battery for my old (found in a bush) iPod ! 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What Hifi suggest various tests here - https://www.whathifi.com/features/15-of-the-best-film-scenes-to-test-surround-sound but nothing comes out. So - somewhere the rear info is getting lost (?). This Dolby test - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TX--Fku9NQ? has the rear surround sound coming from left and right front speakers, so somewhere in my system the routing goes wrong. The Realtek High Definition Audio driver is up to date, Windows identifies the speakers. I run out of ideas at that point. All suggestions gratefully received B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Jan 26 10:23:33 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:23:33 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dolby question In-Reply-To: <180b4979-9f38-069a-4dcb-b3a9c35bc55f@gmail.com> References: <180b4979-9f38-069a-4dcb-b3a9c35bc55f@gmail.com> Message-ID: My Realtek HD Audio Managerhas, under the options a check box for ?mute the rear output device when a front headphone plugged in?. Just wondered if you might leave your cans connected as a norm. Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 4:02 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Dolby question Given that the majority of posters on this list are sound experts, there must be several who can answer this.... My computer speakers are a Logitech Z506 set, which seem to have good ratings online. The Windows test identifies all of them correctly, but for some reason I don't seem to get anything from the "rear" speakers on actual material (they aren't actually rear here, as I don't have a place to put them, just very side). What Hifi suggest various tests here - https://www.whathifi.com/features/15-of-the-best-film-scenes-to-test-surround-sound but nothing comes out. So - somewhere the rear info is getting lost (?). This Dolby test - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TX--Fku9NQ has the rear surround sound coming from left and right front speakers, so somewhere in my system the routing goes wrong. The Realtek High Definition Audio driver is up to date, Windows identifies the speakers. I run out of ideas at that point. 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Rob From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 26 January 2021 16:02 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Dolby question Given that the majority of posters on this list are sound experts, there must be several who can answer this.... My computer speakers are a Logitech Z506 set, which seem to have good ratings online. The Windows test identifies all of them correctly, but for some reason I don't seem to get anything from the "rear" speakers on actual material (they aren't actually rear here, as I don't have a place to put them, just very side). What Hifi suggest various tests here - https://www.whathifi.com/features/15-of-the-best-film-scenes-to-test-surround-sound but nothing comes out. So - somewhere the rear info is getting lost (?). This Dolby test - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TX--Fku9NQ has the rear surround sound coming from left and right front speakers, so somewhere in my system the routing goes wrong. 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I also pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be bi-lingual. > > Take real good care out there! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Tue Jan 26 11:09:31 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:09:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dolby question In-Reply-To: References: <180b4979-9f38-069a-4dcb-b3a9c35bc55f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3a649b5a-a3bc-871b-cbbf-a42138e111fc@btinternet.com> And what does this tell us about how our neighbours and others cope with their TVs and IT, being mostly bereft of our residual knowledge dating back 50 years and more? Hey-ho! Hugh On 26-Jan-21 4:23 PM, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > My Realtek HD Audio Managerhas, under the options a check box for > ?mute the rear output device when a front headphone plugged in?. Just > wondered if you might leave your cans connected as a norm. > Realtek > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2021 4:02 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Dolby question > Given that the majority of posters on this list are sound experts, > there must be several who can answer this.... > > My computer speakers are a Logitech Z506 set, which seem to have good > ratings online. The Windows test identifies all of them correctly, but > for some reason I don't seem to get anything from the "rear" speakers > on actual material (they aren't actually rear here, as I don't have a > place to put them, just very side). > > What Hifi suggest various tests here - > https://www.whathifi.com/features/15-of-the-best-film-scenes-to-test-surround-sound > but nothing comes out. 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Name: Realtek[3].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 130585 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Jan 26 11:17:42 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:17:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <5072E2B774CF480194131645C5163A1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <5072E2B774CF480194131645C5163A1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Guilty as charged! The best example of dangerous electrics you could possibly find. This is actually the one my mother used for doing the ironing, circa 1950, and I suspect it was old even then. But hey, show some respect: It?s Bakelite, and it was MADE IN ENGLAND. Cheers, N. [cid:04726914-3477-48E7-9AE3-431029CC4303-L0-001] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 26 Jan 2021, at 15:47, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? I wonder Alan if there are many of us who, like yourself, harbour something of a hoard of legacy cables & bits. I?m seriously guilty, having to put my hand up to not just modern era obsolete tech but kettle plugs of the original large diameter variety, plug in lighting bayonet splitters, 2A, 3A, 5A and 15A round pin plugs, mains clock connector outlets and lord knows what else. I think Nick might have me up before the beak! My son, now 52 is as bad as I am so maybe when the great sort out comes he?ll forgive me. Those old lighting bayonet splitters usually had a a switch incorporated as an on/off for the angled side socket. I well remember my mother using it for her iron as it was much more convenient when power outlets were pretty sparsely distributed in the average house. No earth of course and I think irons of the period often pulled about 3A which on a 5A fused lighting circuit didn?t leave much spare capacity. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 2:20 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) If that iPod uses the old 30 pin connectors used before Lightning ports, I?ve probably still got some kicking around if they are of any use to you. I?ll take a look if you want in my nest of old SCSI leads and other orphaned leads. Alan Taylor On 26 Jan 2021, at 13:06, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: ? That reminds me I need another replacement battery for my old (found in a bush) iPod ! Found the special USB lead and software online. A couple of years ago I managed to get one and fitting instructions! Mike -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1822587 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Jan 26 11:27:49 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:27:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ideally you need to examine the headers on the email to see where it really came from and examine the links to see where any replies will go. I can tell you how to do it on a Mac, but somebody else will have to explain how to do it if you?re using a PC. My hunch is that it?s probably legit because it?s not asking for any details or money ( so far ). I?m slightly suspicious because it doesn?t appear to refer to you by name. The NHS will contact you directly when it?s nearly time for your jab, you shouldn?t need to pre-register or declare willingness to have it done. That all happens when you get contacted properly. I got the call from my surgery this morning. They don?t help my cautious nature by always making calls from a withheld number, but they did refer to me by name and I asked them to tell me the last few characters of my house name, which they were happy to do. They also were able to refer to my patient notes when there was a query, so no worries about it being a fake. Finally the appointment then popped up in my NHS Patient Access app on my phone, so everything about my call is clearly genuine. Alan Taylor > On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Anyone gad one of these? > > > > > It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be bi-lingual. > > Take real good care out there! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 11:35:17 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:35:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: <8CAD00AA-CFAE-4EB7-AF90-576F51EE7284@icloud.com> References: <8CAD00AA-CFAE-4EB7-AF90-576F51EE7284@icloud.com> Message-ID: No, but I'll be in McLaren's offices on Woking on Thursday at 1120 for my first jab. B On 26/01/2021 17:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > And, of course, family genetics doesn?t come into the selection criteria at all. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Anyone gad one of these? >> >> >> >> It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be bi-lingual. >> >> Take real good care out there! >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 26 15:06:13 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 21:06:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of their products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate? together etc. Her phone couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was offered four times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one and I drove her to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in about 20 minutes. I waited in the hope that they would contact me as I didn't fancy queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later they phoned me and asked if I had booked an appointment and when I said I hadn't they gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! However, when I got there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was a long queue of cars and I was told that they were running 40 mins. behind schedule! I eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) just before 1700. They give you a small card to keep with that name and batch of the vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and told will be contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have attached a copy of the letter I received so that you can see what the genuine article looks like. I believe that they will NOT contact you in any other way! 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The nurse suggested if we both went at the time of my appointment they would probably fit Rosalind in as she was in the system. This did indeed prove to be the case, we turned up 15 minutes early as is normal to me and we were both done within 20 minutes and back in the car! So when the NHS is left to their own devices it can work well, just don?t involve cronies or Serco getting involved. Tomorrow will be two weeks since our innoculations. Happy Vaccines everyone! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 26 January 2021 21:06 To: techtone ; , Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vaccination scam We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of their products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate together etc. Her phone couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was offered four times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one and I drove her to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in about 20 minutes. I waited in the hope that they would contact me as I didn't fancy queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later they phoned me and asked if I had booked an appointment and when I said I hadn't they gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! However, when I got there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was a long queue of cars and I was told that they were running 40 mins. behind schedule! I eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) just before 1700. They give you a small card to keep with that name and batch of the vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and told will be contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have attached a copy of the letter I received so that you can see what the genuine article looks like. I believe that they will NOT contact you in any other way! Cheers, Dave On 26/01/2021 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: Anyone gad one of these? It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be bi-lingual. Take real good care out there! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 96037 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 26 16:17:40 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 22:17:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: <00a601d6f42f$49837300$dc8a5900$@gmail.com> References: <00a601d6f42f$49837300$dc8a5900$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <85155f3a-35fe-0bf1-ad12-a4059f9b7052@btinternet.com> Lucky you both, Dave, Grahame Haines (who is a day younger than me!) opted for the Epsom offer and then was given a chance to go local and he and Rosie had theirs where Doreen and I went, a day before me! He is now trying to cancel the Epsom one! Cheers, Dave On 26/01/2021 22:04, David Denness wrote: > > I was telephoned by one of the nurses at my GP practice Tuesday of > last week inviting me to attend another practice in Twickenham at > 09:12 on Thursday. > > I am classed as vulnerable hence my early invite. On Wednesday I had a > call from a young GP at the practice about some drugs I am on for RA. > I mentioned to her my disappointment they hadn?t invited Rosalind my > wife as well because we were both attempting shielding together in our > flat. She said she would see what she could find out. Fifteen minutes > later I was again called by the practice nurse inviting Rosalind to an > appointment on Thursday but later in the day. The nurse suggested if > we both went at the time of my appointment they would probably fit > Rosalind in as she was in the system. This did indeed prove to be the > case, we turned up 15 minutes early as is normal to me and we were > both done within 20 minutes and back in the car! > > So when the NHS is left to their own devices it can work well, just > don?t involve cronies or Serco getting involved. Tomorrow will be two > weeks since our innoculations. > > Happy Vaccines everyone! > > Dave D > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *dave.mdv > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 26 January 2021 21:06 > *To:* techtone ; , > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Vaccination scam > > We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an > appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the > venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is > extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile > which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an > appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a > company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of their > products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate? together etc. Her phone > couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was offered four > times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one and I drove her > to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in about 20 minutes. > I waited in the hope that they would contact me as I didn't fancy > queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later they phoned me and > asked if I had booked an appointment and when I said I hadn't they > gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! However, when I got > there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was a long queue of cars > and I was told that they were running 40 mins. behind schedule! I > eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) just before 1700. > They give you a small card to keep with that name and batch of the > vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and told will be > contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have attached a copy > of the letter I received so that you can see what the genuine article > looks like. I believe that they will NOT contact you in any other way! > Cheers, Dave > > On 26/01/2021 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone gad one of these? > > It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed > out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also > pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be > bi-lingual. > > Take real good care out there! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 96037 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 26 16:23:38 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 22:23:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: <00a601d6f42f$49837300$dc8a5900$@gmail.com> References: <00a601d6f42f$49837300$dc8a5900$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84c3a90a-4312-465a-54fa-72c0edcdbc24@btinternet.com> PS. My daughter who is just 50 is to get her jab on Friday! She works for 'Mind' in Somerset, who have arranged it, as she is a 'front line worker' doing one-to-ones with disturbed people and also she does suicide counselling and is a life coach (she was on ITV West news the other day!). Cheers, Dave On 26/01/2021 22:04, David Denness wrote: > > I was telephoned by one of the nurses at my GP practice Tuesday of > last week inviting me to attend another practice in Twickenham at > 09:12 on Thursday. > > I am classed as vulnerable hence my early invite. On Wednesday I had a > call from a young GP at the practice about some drugs I am on for RA. > I mentioned to her my disappointment they hadn?t invited Rosalind my > wife as well because we were both attempting shielding together in our > flat. She said she would see what she could find out. Fifteen minutes > later I was again called by the practice nurse inviting Rosalind to an > appointment on Thursday but later in the day. The nurse suggested if > we both went at the time of my appointment they would probably fit > Rosalind in as she was in the system. This did indeed prove to be the > case, we turned up 15 minutes early as is normal to me and we were > both done within 20 minutes and back in the car! > > So when the NHS is left to their own devices it can work well, just > don?t involve cronies or Serco getting involved. Tomorrow will be two > weeks since our innoculations. > > Happy Vaccines everyone! > > Dave D > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *dave.mdv > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 26 January 2021 21:06 > *To:* techtone ; , > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Vaccination scam > > We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an > appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the > venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is > extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile > which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an > appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a > company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of their > products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate? together etc. Her phone > couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was offered four > times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one and I drove her > to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in about 20 minutes. > I waited in the hope that they would contact me as I didn't fancy > queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later they phoned me and > asked if I had booked an appointment and when I said I hadn't they > gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! However, when I got > there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was a long queue of cars > and I was told that they were running 40 mins. behind schedule! I > eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) just before 1700. > They give you a small card to keep with that name and batch of the > vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and told will be > contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have attached a copy > of the letter I received so that you can see what the genuine article > looks like. I believe that they will NOT contact you in any other way! > Cheers, Dave > > On 26/01/2021 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone gad one of these? > > It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed > out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also > pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be > bi-lingual. > > Take real good care out there! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 96037 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 16:41:19 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 22:41:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dolby question In-Reply-To: <005e01d6f3ff$bff123f0$3fd36bd0$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <180b4979-9f38-069a-4dcb-b3a9c35bc55f@gmail.com> <005e01d6f3ff$bff123f0$3fd36bd0$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <4dcc1e15-17b0-e066-383f-363ad2b078f9@gmail.com> That explains it.? Not me at all. Thank you. I downloaded Core Universe from here - https://thedigitaltheater.com/dolby-trailers/ . That works! B On 26/01/2021 16:24, Robert Miles wrote: > > I believe YouTube stopped 5.1 playback. All surround material uploaded > will be folded down to stereo. > > Rob > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 26 January 2021 16:02 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Dolby question > > Given that the majority of posters on this list are sound experts, > there must be several who can answer this.... > > My computer speakers are a Logitech Z506 set, which seem to have good > ratings online. The Windows test identifies all of them correctly, but > for some reason I don't seem to get anything from the "rear" speakers > on actual material (they aren't actually rear here, as I don't have a > place to put them, just very side). > > What Hifi suggest various tests here - > https://www.whathifi.com/features/15-of-the-best-film-scenes-to-test-surround-sound > > but nothing comes out. So - somewhere the rear info is getting lost (?). > > This Dolby test - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TX--Fku9NQ > has the rear surround > sound coming from left and right front speakers, so somewhere in my > system the routing goes wrong. The Realtek High Definition Audio > driver is up to date, Windows identifies the speakers. I run out of > ideas at that point. > > All suggestions gratefully received > > B > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Jan 26 17:04:50 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 23:04:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: <85155f3a-35fe-0bf1-ad12-a4059f9b7052@btinternet.com> References: <85155f3a-35fe-0bf1-ad12-a4059f9b7052@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I got a text message today asking me to ring our own surgery to make a vaccination appointment and, although it took a while, I ended up booking first thing next Saturday for us both. What the receptionist neglected to say was that we should go to another local medical centre, not our own surgery as we do for the flu jabs. Luckily, after the phone call we did a double take because she had not actually said where we should go - I had just assumed, but all would be well as they always send a text message to confirm appointments - but not this time - an online message to the surgery confirmed that we should go elsewhere. If there?s any doubt - ask! Mike G > On 26 Jan 2021, at 22:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Lucky you both, Dave, Grahame Haines (who is a day younger than me!) opted for the Epsom offer and then was given a chance to go local and he and Rosie had theirs where Doreen and I went, a day before me! He is now trying to cancel the Epsom one! Cheers, Dave > > On 26/01/2021 22:04, David Denness wrote: >> I was telephoned by one of the nurses at my GP practice Tuesday of last week inviting me to attend another practice in Twickenham at 09:12 on Thursday. >> I am classed as vulnerable hence my early invite. On Wednesday I had a call from a young GP at the practice about some drugs I am on for RA. I mentioned to her my disappointment they hadn?t invited Rosalind my wife as well because we were both attempting shielding together in our flat. She said she would see what she could find out. Fifteen minutes later I was again called by the practice nurse inviting Rosalind to an appointment on Thursday but later in the day. The nurse suggested if we both went at the time of my appointment they would probably fit Rosalind in as she was in the system. This did indeed prove to be the case, we turned up 15 minutes early as is normal to me and we were both done within 20 minutes and back in the car! >> So when the NHS is left to their own devices it can work well, just don?t involve cronies or Serco getting involved. Tomorrow will be two weeks since our innoculations. >> Happy Vaccines everyone! >> Dave D >> >> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: 26 January 2021 21:06 >> To: techtone ; , >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vaccination scam >> >> We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of their products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate together etc. Her phone couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was offered four times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one and I drove her to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in about 20 minutes. I waited in the hope that they would contact me as I didn't fancy queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later they phoned me and asked if I had booked an appointment and when I said I hadn't they gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! However, when I got there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was a long queue of cars and I was told that they were running 40 mins. behind schedule! I eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) just before 1700. They give you a small card to keep with that name and batch of the vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and told will be contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have attached a copy of the letter I received so that you can see what the genuine article looks like. I believe that they will NOT contact you in any other way! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 26/01/2021 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> Anyone gad one of these? >> >> >> >> It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be bi-lingual. >> >> Take real good care out there! >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 17:29:07 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 23:29:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccinations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11BC3A10-9926-4518-B1C6-01AC80F8219D@gmail.com> Here they?ve set up a vaccination centre in the town hall and the surgeries have it on separate days. I gather that each has their own allocation, ours had 400 vaccines in the first batch for 700 patients in the over eighties group. A couple of weeks later they had another lot and were able to complete. We haven?t heard yet when we will be invited but as they move down the age groups I assume the list will get bigger so it?s a matter of who gets there first, Geoff > On 26 Jan 2021, at 23:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I got a text message today asking me to ring our own surgery to make a vaccination appointment and, although it took a while, I ended up booking first thing next Saturday for us both. What the receptionist neglected to say was that we should go to another local medical centre, not our own surgery as we do for the flu jabs. Luckily, after the phone call we did a double take because she had not actually said where we should go - I had just assumed, but all would be well as they always send a text message to confirm appointments - but not this time - an online message to the surgery confirmed that we should go elsewhere. If there?s any doubt - ask! > > Mike G > >>> On 26 Jan 2021, at 22:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Lucky you both, Dave, Grahame Haines (who is a day younger than me!) opted for the Epsom offer and then was given a chance to go local and he and Rosie had theirs where Doreen and I went, a day before me! He is now trying to cancel the Epsom one! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 26/01/2021 22:04, David Denness wrote: >>> I was telephoned by one of the nurses at my GP practice Tuesday of last week inviting me to attend another practice in Twickenham at 09:12 on Thursday. >>> I am classed as vulnerable hence my early invite. On Wednesday I had a call from a young GP at the practice about some drugs I am on for RA. I mentioned to her my disappointment they hadn?t invited Rosalind my wife as well because we were both attempting shielding together in our flat. She said she would see what she could find out. Fifteen minutes later I was again called by the practice nurse inviting Rosalind to an appointment on Thursday but later in the day. The nurse suggested if we both went at the time of my appointment they would probably fit Rosalind in as she was in the system. This did indeed prove to be the case, we turned up 15 minutes early as is normal to me and we were both done within 20 minutes and back in the car! >>> So when the NHS is left to their own devices it can work well, just don?t involve cronies or Serco getting involved. Tomorrow will be two weeks since our innoculations. >>> Happy Vaccines everyone! >>> Dave D >>> >>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: 26 January 2021 21:06 >>> To: techtone ; , >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vaccination scam >>> >>> We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of their products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate together etc. Her phone couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was offered four times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one and I drove her to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in about 20 minutes. I waited in the hope that they would contact me as I didn't fancy queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later they phoned me and asked if I had booked an appointment and when I said I hadn't they gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! However, when I got there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was a long queue of cars and I was told that they were running 40 mins. behind schedule! I eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) just before 1700. They give you a small card to keep with that name and batch of the vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and told will be contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have attached a copy of the letter I received so that you can see what the genuine article looks like. I believe that they will NOT contact you in any other way! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> On 26/01/2021 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>> Anyone gad one of these? >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be bi-lingual. >>> >>> Take real good care out there! >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Jan 26 18:22:22 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 00:22:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: References: <85155f3a-35fe-0bf1-ad12-a4059f9b7052@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <455E6611-1F6A-4EE8-BF45-0EA9459510D5@btinternet.com> Hi Mike et al, I had my Covid jab today at a local centre (an Ex Youth Club). The system here in sunny Ruislip is I got a text from my surgery with a personalised link to follow. I haven?t got a smart phone (I hate them!) so I put it on the computer and it led me to an NHS Covid site, which knew it was me, where, after answering a couple of questions, I booked the day and a time I wanted for the jab. I then got a text confirming my booking from my surgery and yesterday even a reminder. Brilliant! Barry. On 26 Jan 2021, at 23:04, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I got a text message today asking me to ring our own surgery to make a vaccination appointment and, although it took a while, I ended up booking first thing next Saturday for us both. What the receptionist neglected to say was that we should go to another local medical centre, not our own surgery as we do for the flu jabs. Luckily, after the phone call we did a double take because she had not actually said where we should go - I had just assumed, but all would be well as they always send a text message to confirm appointments - but not this time - an online message to the surgery confirmed that we should go elsewhere. If there?s any doubt - ask! > > Mike G > >> On 26 Jan 2021, at 22:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Lucky you both, Dave, Grahame Haines (who is a day younger than me!) opted for the Epsom offer and then was given a chance to go local and he and Rosie had theirs where Doreen and I went, a day before me! He is now trying to cancel the Epsom one! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 26/01/2021 22:04, David Denness wrote: >>> I was telephoned by one of the nurses at my GP practice Tuesday of last week inviting me to attend another practice in Twickenham at 09:12 on Thursday. >>> I am classed as vulnerable hence my early invite. On Wednesday I had a call from a young GP at the practice about some drugs I am on for RA. I mentioned to her my disappointment they hadn?t invited Rosalind my wife as well because we were both attempting shielding together in our flat. She said she would see what she could find out. Fifteen minutes later I was again called by the practice nurse inviting Rosalind to an appointment on Thursday but later in the day. The nurse suggested if we both went at the time of my appointment they would probably fit Rosalind in as she was in the system. This did indeed prove to be the case, we turned up 15 minutes early as is normal to me and we were both done within 20 minutes and back in the car! >>> So when the NHS is left to their own devices it can work well, just don?t involve cronies or Serco getting involved. Tomorrow will be two weeks since our innoculations. >>> Happy Vaccines everyone! >>> Dave D >>> >>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: 26 January 2021 21:06 >>> To: techtone ; , >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vaccination scam >>> >>> We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of their products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate together etc. Her phone couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was offered four times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one and I drove her to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in about 20 minutes. I waited in the hope that they would contact me as I didn't fancy queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later they phoned me and asked if I had booked an appointment and when I said I hadn't they gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! However, when I got there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was a long queue of cars and I was told that they were running 40 mins. behind schedule! I eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) just before 1700. They give you a small card to keep with that name and batch of the vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and told will be contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have attached a copy of the letter I received so that you can see what the genuine article looks like. I believe that they will NOT contact you in any other way! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> On 26/01/2021 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>> Anyone gad one of these? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be bi-lingual. >>> >>> Take real good care out there! >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 26 19:10:39 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 01:10:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: <455E6611-1F6A-4EE8-BF45-0EA9459510D5@btinternet.com> References: <85155f3a-35fe-0bf1-ad12-a4059f9b7052@btinternet.com> <455E6611-1F6A-4EE8-BF45-0EA9459510D5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4f3bad75-3f6a-a99c-6f49-3fec069daf20@btinternet.com> Exactly, left to the NHS and without politicians getting involved the health of us all is safe! Boris may hang his head as a gesture for the front pages but his decisions and support of bloody Dominic have caused far more deaths than necessary, sorry Bernie! Cheers, Dave PS. Not one of the questioners at the Downing Street briefings has mentioned the hundreds of morons and their mega parties against all the guidelines! On 27/01/2021 00:22, Barry Bonner wrote: > Hi Mike et al, > ?I had my Covid jab today at a local centre (an Ex Youth Club). The > system here in sunny Ruislip is I got a text from my surgery with a > personalised link to follow. I haven?t got a smart phone (I hate > them!) so I put it on the computer and it led me to an NHS Covid site, > which knew it was me, where, after answering a couple of questions, I > booked the day and a time I wanted for the jab. I then got a text > confirming my booking from my surgery and yesterday even a reminder. > Brilliant! > Barry. > > > > On 26 Jan 2021, at 23:04, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I got a text message today asking me to ring our own surgery to make >> a vaccination appointment and, although it took a while, I ended up >> booking first thing next Saturday for us both. What the receptionist >> neglected to say was that we should go to another local medical >> centre, not our own surgery as we do for the flu jabs. Luckily, after >> the phone call we did a double take because she had not actually said >> where we should go - I had just assumed, but all would be well as >> they always send a text message to confirm appointments - but not >> this time - an online message to the surgery confirmed that we should >> go elsewhere. If there?s any doubt - ask! >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 26 Jan 2021, at 22:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Lucky you both, Dave, Grahame Haines (who is a day younger than me!) >>> opted for the Epsom offer and then was given a chance to go local >>> and he and Rosie had theirs where Doreen and I went, a day before >>> me! He is now trying to cancel the Epsom one! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> On 26/01/2021 22:04, David Denness wrote: >>>> I was telephoned by one of the nurses at my GP practice Tuesday of >>>> last week inviting me to attend another practice in Twickenham at >>>> 09:12 on Thursday. >>>> I am classed as vulnerable hence my early invite. On Wednesday I >>>> had a call from a young GP at the practice about some drugs I am on >>>> for RA. I mentioned to her my disappointment they hadn?t invited >>>> Rosalind my wife as well because we were both attempting shielding >>>> together in our flat. She said she would see what she could find >>>> out. Fifteen minutes later I was again called by the practice nurse >>>> inviting Rosalind to an appointment on Thursday but later in the >>>> day. The nurse suggested if we both went at the time of my >>>> appointment they would probably fit Rosalind in as she was in the >>>> system. This did indeed prove to be the case, we turned up 15 >>>> minutes early as is normal to me and we were both done within 20 >>>> minutes and back in the car! >>>> So when the NHS is left to their own devices it can work well, just >>>> don?t involve cronies or Serco getting involved. Tomorrow will be >>>> two weeks since our innoculations. >>>> Happy Vaccines everyone! >>>> Dave D >>>> *From:*Tech1*On Behalf Of*dave.mdv >>>> via Tech1 >>>> *Sent:*26 January 2021 21:06 >>>> *To:*techtone; , >>>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Vaccination scam >>>> >>>> We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an >>>> appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the >>>> venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is >>>> extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile >>>> which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an >>>> appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a >>>> company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of >>>> their products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate together etc. >>>> Her phone couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was >>>> offered four times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one >>>> and I drove her to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in >>>> about 20 minutes. I waited in the hope that they would contact me >>>> as I didn't fancy queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later >>>> they phoned me and asked if I had booked an appointment and when I >>>> said I hadn't they gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! >>>> However, when I got there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was >>>> a long queue of cars and I was told that they were running 40 mins. >>>> behind schedule! I eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) >>>> just before 1700. They give you a small card to keep with that name >>>> and batch of the vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and >>>> told will be contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have >>>> attached a copy of the letter I received so that you can see what >>>> the genuine article looks like. I believe that they will NOT >>>> contact you in any other way! 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URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Jan 27 01:42:27 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 07:42:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My appointment was handled very efficiently, making good use of the available technology. Initial contact was a phone call and then the appointment was confirmed automatically on the NHS Patient Access app. Unfortunately the address shown on that app was the surgery and I know that our surgery is actually doing the jabs at a community centre three or four miles away, where several local surgeries are working together. As it happens, one of our surgery receptionists lives in our village and I asked her to clarify. She confirmed that it is happening at that community centre. She went on to explain that in order to organise it quickly, the doctors themselves have been making a lot of the calls too and they aren?t much good at listening to instructions about using unfamiliar aspects of the software. The net result is that they keep forgetting to deselect the default setting for the address, so the wrong address gets automatically sent out on the reminder. Alan Taylor > On 26 Jan 2021, at 23:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?. What the receptionist neglected to say was that we should go to another local medical centre, not our own surgery as we do for the flu jabs. Luckily, after the phone call we did a double take because she had not actually said where we should go - I had just assumed, but all would be well as they always send a text message to confirm appointments - but not this time - an online message to the surgery confirmed that we should go elsewhere. 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I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! Mike G From mibridge at mac.com Wed Jan 27 03:18:10 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 09:18:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> References: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> Message-ID: Oh - I forgot memos, voice recording (well any recording really), plant identification and the all-important video calls with family members. There must be more! Mike G > On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. > > I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. > > Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Jan 27 03:31:38 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 09:31:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> References: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> Message-ID: <5934577C-35FB-4DEB-94DF-FAD9328A0B50@icloud.com> The big problem with smart phones is that once you?ve had one you can?t go back! Graeme Wall > On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. > > I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. > > Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Jan 27 03:32:26 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 09:32:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Re Smart phones Message-ID: <35A7BB42-2A5A-4FF1-8F05-D73031A1BEDD@mac.com> Radio, of course, live and catch-up, very good in the garden as it can be quiet enough in your shirt pocket as not to disturb the neighbours; step counter.??? Mike G From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 27 04:10:03 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:10:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid vaccination Message-ID: <60113bfa.1c69fb81.1b2d5.5154@mx.google.com> My area is using Epsom Racecourse as the vaccination centre. Two elderly neighbours drove themselves there and reported that it was very well organised, with people showing you where to park and where to go. My surgery does not want to be contacted with queries, and pointed me to a ?queue calculator? which told me: you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 31/01/2021 and 03/02/2021 Now, is it an injection or a scratch, like we had for smallpox when very small? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Wed Jan 27 04:12:44 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:12:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam Message-ID: I am lucky because vaccinations are being done at my local surgery a five minute walk away. However I am unlucky because there are very few vaccination locations in Suffolk and it seems to be catering for a quarter of the county. Also Suffolk has the lowest number of vaccinations in the country. By the way, has anyone noticed that the "over 75" group has disappeared. This was to be the third group treated, but there has been no reference to it for several weeks. Now they only refer to "over 70's" Doug On 27 January 2021, at 07:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: My appointment was handled very efficiently, making good use of the available technology. ?Initial contact was a phone call and then the appointment was confirmed automatically on the NHS Patient Access app. Unfortunately the address shown on that app was the surgery and I know that our surgery is actually doing the jabs at a community centre three or four miles away, where several local surgeries are working together. As it happens, one of our surgery receptionists lives in our village and I asked her to clarify. ?She confirmed that it is happening at that community centre. ?She went on to explain that in order to organise it quickly, the doctors themselves have been making a lot of the calls too and they aren?t much good at listening to instructions about using unfamiliar aspects of the software. ?The net result is that they keep forgetting to deselect the default setting for the address, so the wrong address gets automatically sent out on the reminder.? Alan Taylor On 26 Jan 2021, at 23:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ?. What the receptionist neglected to say was that we should go to another local medical centre, not our own surgery as we do for the flu jabs. Luckily, after the phone call we did a double take because she had not actually said where we should go - I had just assumed, but all would be well as they always send a text message to confirm appointments - but not this time - an online message to the surgery confirmed that we should go elsewhere. If there?s any doubt - ask! Mike G @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;}.MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;}div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 27 04:22:07 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:22:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> References: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> Message-ID: Mike, Thank you for the list of why I don?t like smart phones. It saves me compiling it! Barry. On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. > > I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. > > Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Jan 27 04:32:42 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:32:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: References: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com>, Message-ID: I agree with Mike, although in my case, I keep the iPhone quite minimal, and have an iPad mini (128GB and O2 Data Sim) that goes everywhere with me, and like Mike?s phone, my iPad is crammed full of apps. Some not often used needless to say, but they are there when I want them. My most used apps on the iPad are things like the mind bogglingly fabulous Google Maps and Google Earth, all my (totally paperless!) NatWest online banking, NS&I monthly winnings, Weather Pro, Flightradar24, all my accounting, all IPS website and forum content, and countless others. Of all people, I was surprised to read Barry B saying he hates smartphones! Knowing Barry, maybe it was bait to provoke a reaction? If so, I fell for it (via my iPad)! With our smart devices, my lovely wife Judi and I can be lying on a sunny beach in Menorca with instant access to everything - or not, as we choose! We can even Whatsapp each other to save having to talk! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Oh - I forgot memos, voice recording (well any recording really), plant identification and the all-important video calls with family members. There must be more! > > Mike G > >> On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. >> >> I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. >> >> Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! >> >> Mike G >> -- From david.jasma at sky.com Wed Jan 27 04:36:25 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:36:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccine appointments References: <179645c1-3229-534d-93ce-e511b537a06c.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <179645c1-3229-534d-93ce-e511b537a06c@sky.com> Living in SW Scotland, my wife and I (both in our 70s) weren't expecting appointments for the vaccine until sometime in the future. However, last Saturday we had letters from our local medical centre giving us appointments - mine next Monday and my wife's a week later, with the venue being the medical centre. As we normally have our flu jabs at the centre, we know how efficient they are. On one occasion I walked in, identified myself, was given a piece of paper on which the nurse sticks details of the batch number and as I went to sit down, my name was called! I agree with an earlier remark that leaving the NHS to organise the appointments then things get done. So far as I'm concerned the Scottish Government couldn't organise the proverbial in a brewery! Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alan_machin at hotmail.com Wed Jan 27 04:50:10 2021 From: alan_machin at hotmail.com (Alan Machin) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:50:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid vaccination In-Reply-To: <60113bfa.1c69fb81.1b2d5.5154@mx.google.com> References: <60113bfa.1c69fb81.1b2d5.5154@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It?s an injection, but it felt like a scratch! My wife, who hates injections, says she hardly felt it. Neither of us was in the top group when we had it a week ago, but we had the Pfizer and they were offering the last of their batch allocation to anyone in the next group who could respond to a text quickly, rather than waste it. Very grateful! Hope those still waiting get the offer soon. Don?t hesitate! Alan. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 27 January 2021 10:10 To: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Covid vaccination My area is using Epsom Racecourse as the vaccination centre. Two elderly neighbours drove themselves there and reported that it was very well organised, with people showing you where to park and where to go. My surgery does not want to be contacted with queries, and pointed me to a ?queue calculator? which told me: you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 31/01/2021 and 03/02/2021 Now, is it an injection or a scratch, like we had for smallpox when very small? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There was lots of friendly chatter going on, but when my 15 mins were up I left and was back in the car by 14:30. The volunteer car park and check-in attendants were cheerful and efficient despite having to stand around for hours in horrible cold weather. All of the medical staff and volunteers are being offered free take-away lunches by our fantastically lovely Bangladeshi neighbours, who own the Curry Inn Restaurant in the village. Next week the Jabbers are doing home visits for folk who can?t get to the Hall. Cranleigh may be the largest (and fast expanding) village in England, but I have to say, the community spirit is just wonderful. I?m very impressed. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From mibridge at mac.com Wed Jan 27 04:59:09 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:59:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> Not even slightly tempted, Barry? Mike G > On 27 Jan 2021, at 10:22, Barry Bonner wrote: > > ?Mike, > Thank you for the list of why I don?t like smart phones. It saves me compiling it! > Barry. > > > >> On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. >> >> I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. >> >> Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! >> >> Mike G >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Jan 27 05:11:21 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:11:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Jab Message-ID: <58f55a74fcdavesound@btinternet.com> A pal who lives locally to me in SW London has just had his Covid jab today. He's not quite 60, but has a medical condition that puts him at special risk. And he's been given the Oxford vaccine. First I've heard of. All of my other pals same sort of age as me have had the Pfizer one. I was very impressed with the organization for mine. Several local GP practices had got together, and the largest one given over to only doing the inoculation. With lots of volunteers helping. Much needed since so many were old and infirm. They gave you a 10 minute window to arrive, and when I had mine, no queuing. Unlike some pictures I've seen on TV. They had set up gazebos on the forecourt to act as a reception, and the waiting room used for the 15 minute 'recovery' area. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Jan 27 05:16:08 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:16:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Covid vaccination In-Reply-To: <60113bfa.1c69fb81.1b2d5.5154@mx.google.com> References: <60113bfa.1c69fb81.1b2d5.5154@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58f55ae470davesound@btinternet.com> It's an injection (just like the flue one) and I really didn't feel it. They didn't even bother putting one of those small plasters on - so must be a very fine needle. In article <60113bfa.1c69fb81.1b2d5.5154 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > My area is using Epsom Racecourse as the vaccination centre. Two elderly neighbours drove themselves there and reported that it was very well organised, with people showing you where to park and where to go. > My surgery does not want to be contacted with queries, and pointed me to a ?queue calculator? which told me: > you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 31/01/2021 and 03/02/2021 > Now, is it an injection or a scratch, like we had for smallpox when very small? > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 05:55:55 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:55:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> References: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> Message-ID: My wife hates "smart phones" too, though she uses mine second hand all the time. The point is, really, that it isn't a phone - it's a small very advanced computer, that happens, as a minor function, to be able to make phone calls. I make very few on mine, and receive less. In lockdown. we've got into doing the general knowledge crossword in the paper - sad really. But when we get to the end and have failed a few clues, the expectation is that I'll drag out the phone and look them up on Danword.? There seems to have always been a reluctance by many to want to take on new technology, all down the centuries.? "These internal combustion engines".... "TV will never take off".... "The world will only ever need ten computers".? The next generation can't understand the thinking. Back when I could actually get on a train, I'd take a book to read. Sometimes I finish it, but I always have a back up - Project Gutenberg has 1930s pulp science fiction magazines, and from time to time I download a few onto the phone. Someone in my U3A video production group said we should make a personal (to the group) review of 2020. For once, I'm not being the producer (hooray!) so I set myself the task of making opening titles. After a while I really needed some music, and thought back 36 years to when I used a piece that I thought would work now. I hunted around and found this on YouTube - https://youtu.be/1Wjs7SKs_Ag Some anorak had uploaded it. I hadn't seen it since 1985, and I still didn't know the name of the music. I downloaded an app called Sound Hound to the phone, set the app going and held it up to the computer. It had played only about the first five notes when Sound Hound recognised it. So I rather think that hating smart phones is akin to hating cars, trains, aeroplanes or whatever because they move under power. I'll just tell my wife that - again! B On 27/01/2021 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > ?You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. > > I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. > > Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! > > Mike G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Jan 27 05:56:29 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:56:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are useful apps for work too. My iPhone is also a signal generator, audio analyser, spectrum meter, timecode reader/generator and sync checker. It can also measure colour temperature. Some of them need special leads to be useful but they are easy to make. One unexpected time saving feature on site is the built in dictionary / thesaurus. If a presenter is over using a word, alternatives are easily looked up. Alan Taylor Just for once, this part seems pertinent ? Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Oh - I forgot memos, voice recording (well any recording really), plant identification and the all-important video calls with family members. There must be more! > > Mike G > >> On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. >> >> I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. >> >> Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! >> >> Mike G >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jan 27 07:06:08 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:06:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid vaccination In-Reply-To: <67762CD9-2BE8-487F-B427-57D3E6DAB022@me.com> References: <60113bfa.1c69fb81.1b2d5.5154@mx.google.com> <67762CD9-2BE8-487F-B427-57D3E6DAB022@me.com> Message-ID: <60116540.1c69fb81.74d4c.8a3a@mx.google.com> Thanks for that Janis. I have a needle phobia but can just about stand the flu jab. I have to look away during the blood take for a regular PSA test, and talk about anything else! My Army father was posted to North Africa during the war, and anybody that could administer a jab was pressed into action. Dad remarked that he never felt it ? the doc replied that he was a vet and his patients usually bit! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Janis Goldring Sent: 27 January 2021 10:58 To: patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid vaccination It is an intramuscular injection at the very top of the arm. On 27 Jan 2021, at 10:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Now, is it an injection or a scratch, like we had for smallpox when very small? ? Pat ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.? www.avast.com --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Wed Jan 27 08:29:04 2021 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:29:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination scam Message-ID: <5u5mdn935jc9yqctq5p7k2bd.1611757744953@email.android.com> Thanks, Dave, that was useful. Five minutes after reading it, my own letter arrived. It's good that when you book on the website you arrange both vaccinations, especially as in the half-minute between choosing a time and pressing 'confirm', the slot had been taken and I had to try again. Now there's no chance of not getting the second jab within the timescale (is there? ).Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" Date: 26/01/2021 21:06 (GMT+00:00) To: techtone , "," Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vaccination scam We both had a letter from the NHS to ask us to apply for an appointment. When I did so I was offered Epsom Racecourse as the venue, so I didn't book anything! In the meantime my wife (who is extra medically vulnerable) had a text message on her basic mobile which looked suspicious, asking her to click on a link to get an appointment. I looked into the link and found that it came from a company called accuRX who make software for the NHS, and one of their products enables GP surgeries to co-ordinate? together etc. Her phone couldn't do as asked so I put the link on the PC and was offered four times to choose from on the next Sunday. We picked one and I drove her to a nearby Health Centre and she was in and out in about 20 minutes. I waited in the hope that they would contact me as I didn't fancy queueing at Epsom! Sure enough, a few days later they phoned me and asked if I had booked an appointment and when I said I hadn't they gave me a time last Saturday at the same place! However, when I got there at 1545 for a 1600 appointment there was a long queue of cars and I was told that they were running 40 mins. behind schedule! I eventually got the 'scratch' (not a jab at all!) just before 1700. They give you a small card to keep with that name and batch of the vaccine you have just had (AstraZeneca-Oxford) and told will be contacted again for the second dose, whenever! I have attached a copy of the letter I received so that you can see what the genuine article looks like. I believe that they will NOT contact you in any other way! Cheers, Dave On 26/01/2021 17:01, techtone via Tech1 wrote: Anyone gad one of these? It looks so genuine, but as my U3A friend who received it pointed out, NHS don't use the 'gov.uk' as their email source. I also pointed out that if it was an official local offer, it should be bi-lingual. Take real good care out there! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PHOTO-2021-01-25-21-10-14.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 96037 bytes Desc: not available URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 27 08:41:16 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:41:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> Message-ID: No, not at all! I?m annoyed that when I used to meet people for a meal or drinks as we sat down the first thing some of them did was to get out their smart phone and play with it! I was driving up Ruislip High Street one day and being a kind and thoughtful person (..really?..Ed.) I stopped at a zebra crossing to allow a lady with a baby in a push-chair to cross. Halfway across she stopped, fished in the bag on the push-chair, pulled out a smart phone and proceeded to hold a conversion on it! I politely hooted and was rewarded with a nasty look! Say no more. P.S. My 1999 Audi has a cassette player! Barry. On 27 Jan 2021, at 10:59, Mike Giles wrote: > Not even slightly tempted, Barry? > > Mike G > >> On 27 Jan 2021, at 10:22, Barry Bonner wrote: >> >> ?Mike, >> Thank you for the list of why I don?t like smart phones. It saves me compiling it! >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. >>> >>> I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. >>> >>> Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! >>> >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Jan 27 08:59:40 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:59:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: References: <1B3F70EE-F8FF-4187-9B6B-2633AEA6D047@mac.com> Message-ID: <58f56f5bfadavesound@btinternet.com> In article , Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Oh - I forgot memos, voice recording (well any recording really), plant identification and the all-important video calls with family members. There must be more! I far prefer a bigger screen for video etc calls. And not having to hold the damn thing for ages. ;-) In London, my smart phone gets used to pay for parking when needed. Using an app called Parkmobile. It uses GPS to know where you are, so all you have to do is start if going (and stop when you leave). It does charge you a commission, but you only pay for the time you are there - unlike pre-paying. And doesn't need you to find a working terminal. I also find the sat nav useful when on foot. But it never gets used for things the proper computer does better. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Jan 27 09:09:15 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:09:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Shredders (topic cross-threaded with model railways) In-Reply-To: <5072E2B774CF480194131645C5163A1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <025B035E98424ED6B7EAA0295408FD74@Gigabyte> <268D5055-4204-4213-AC0C-921C2833C3B4@me.com> <5072E2B774CF480194131645C5163A1A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Here's a pic of the lead rack in my workshop. You'll find one to plug near anything into anything. With smaller leads and adaptors kept in containers above. In article <5072E2B774CF480194131645C5163A1A at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I wonder Alan if there are many of us who, like yourself, harbour something of a hoard of legacy cables & bits. I?m seriously guilty, having to put my hand up to not just modern era obsolete tech but kettle plugs of the original large diameter variety, plug in lighting bayonet splitters, 2A, 3A, 5A and 15A round pin plugs, mains clock connector outlets and lord knows what else. I think Nick might have me up before the beak! My son, now 52 is as bad as I am so maybe when the great sort out comes he?ll forgive me. Those old lighting bayonet splitters usually had a a switch incorporated as an on/off for the angled side socket. I well remember my mother using it for her iron as it was much more convenient when power outlets were pretty sparsely distributed in the average house. No earth of course and I think irons of the period often pulled about 3A which on a 5A fused lighting circuit didn?t leave much spare capacity. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In article <5072E2B774CF480194131645C5163A1A at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I wonder Alan if there are many of us who, like yourself, harbour > something of a hoard of legacy cables & bits. I?m seriously guilty, having > to put my hand up to not just modern era obsolete tech but kettle plugs of > the original large diameter variety, plug in lighting bayonet splitters, > 2A, 3A, 5A and 15A round pin plugs, mains clock connector outlets and lord > knows what else. I think Nick might have me up before the beak! My son, > now 52 is as bad as I am so maybe when the great sort out comes he?ll > forgive me. Those old lighting bayonet splitters usually had a a switch > incorporated as an on/off for the angled side socket. I well remember my > mother using it for her iron as it was much more convenient when power > outlets were pretty sparsely distributed in the average house. No earth of > course and I think irons of the period often pulled about 3A which on a 5A > fused lighting circuit didn?t leave much spare capacity. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Wed Jan 27 09:58:28 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:58:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com>, Message-ID: You can?t really blame the smartphone for that. It?s the owners that need a clip round the ear! N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Jan 2021, at 14:41, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: ? No, not at all! I?m annoyed that when I used to meet people for a meal or drinks as we sat down the first thing some of them did was to get out their smart phone and play with it! I was driving up Ruislip High Street one day and being a kind and thoughtful person (..really?..Ed.) I stopped at a zebra crossing to allow a lady with a baby in a push-chair to cross. Halfway across she stopped, fished in the bag on the push-chair, pulled out a smart phone and proceeded to hold a conversion on it! I politely hooted and was rewarded with a nasty look! Say no more. P.S. My 1999 Audi has a cassette player! Barry. On 27 Jan 2021, at 10:59, Mike Giles > wrote: Not even slightly tempted, Barry? Mike G On 27 Jan 2021, at 10:22, Barry Bonner > wrote: ?Mike, Thank you for the list of why I don?t like smart phones. It saves me compiling it! Barry. On 27 Jan 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: You?ve prompted a new topic, Barry, by saying that you hate smart phones. I?m just the opposite and use mine for countless reasons from navigation in the car and on country walks to taking photos when I haven?t got a proper camera with me. I use it as a calculator; to win arguments, (I mean discussions!), by checking facts on the many platforms available;e-mail of course - (much easier than a lap-top on the loo!); star identification; I?ve got in excess of 2000 music tracks to listen to on the car audio system; monitoring our security cameras from wherever in the world we happen to be, which includes the office, or the kitchen at the back of the house when we?re waiting for our Sainsbury?s delivery; watching TV, live or catch-up when it?s not possible to use a proper set for one reason or another; checking on tide times when we want to walk by the river at Richmond; translation; Scrabble; learning a language; instrument tuning; currency conversion rates; Apple Pay; paying for car parking when I haven?t got the right change; maintaining a calendar (with reminders) of all the things we aren?t doing at present; alarm clock; citizen science; dictionary; train times; weather forecasts and rain maps; and of course, the notorious NHS app that will tell me when I?ve spent to long in unhealthy company! I started counting the apps on the phone and gave up, but I have 8 desktop screens, each with 24 spaces, about ten per cent of which are folders with up to 9 apps each within them - I grant you that many of those hardly see the light of day, but when you want a particular thing it?s awfully handy if it?s there already. I used to have quite a few more apps when the grandchildren were younger, because all four of them used Grandad?s phone to play games on and they were always finding new ones. Must stop there - I?m quite exhausted! Mike G -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 16:46:30 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 22:46:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com> References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> <371b191b-2bb6-bcec-dd40-1adcfb41ffc7@gmail.com> <04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1200fd3d-e559-505e-b3eb-2d705359b07a@ntlworld.com> It's all down to that predictive text on your not smart phone B On 27/01/2021 22:07, Barry Bonner wrote: > Oops! Should have been ?conversation? of course but could have been a > conversion! > Barry. > > > > On 27 Jan 2021, at 21:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> >> >> On 27/01/2021 14:41, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >>> she stopped, fished in the bag on the push-chair, pulled out a smart >>> phone and proceeded to hold a conversion on it! >> >> Stupidity comes in many forms >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Jan 27 16:48:32 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 22:48:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <1200fd3d-e559-505e-b3eb-2d705359b07a@ntlworld.com> References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> <371b191b-2bb6-bcec-dd40-1adcfb41ffc7@gmail.com> <04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com> <1200fd3d-e559-505e-b3eb-2d705359b07a@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Were you driving along the Damascus Road by any chance, Barry? Mike G > On 27 Jan 2021, at 22:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > It's all down to that predictive text on your not smart phone > > B > > > > On 27/01/2021 22:07, Barry Bonner wrote: >> Oops! Should have been ?conversation? of course but could have been a conversion! >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 27 Jan 2021, at 21:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 27/01/2021 14:41, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >>>> she stopped, fished in the bag on the push-chair, pulled out a smart phone and proceeded to hold a conversion on it! >>> >>> Stupidity comes in many forms >>> >>> B >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Jan 27 17:06:05 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 23:06:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> <371b191b-2bb6-bcec-dd40-1adcfb41ffc7@gmail.com> <04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com> <1200fd3d-e559-505e-b3eb-2d705359b07a@ntlworld.com>, Message-ID: Tee-hee! Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Jan 2021, at 22:48, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? Were you driving along the Damascus Road by any chance, Barry? Mike G On 27 Jan 2021, at 22:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: It's all down to that predictive text on your not smart phone B On 27/01/2021 22:07, Barry Bonner wrote: Oops! Should have been ?conversation? of course but could have been a conversion! Barry. On 27 Jan 2021, at 21:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: On 27/01/2021 14:41, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: she stopped, fished in the bag on the push-chair, pulled out a smart phone and proceeded to hold a conversion on it! Stupidity comes in many forms B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 01:18:57 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:18:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <58f55a74fcdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f55a74fcdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I had my first jab for covid-19 at Ealing Town Hall. last Saturday. I took up the offer of a lift there, and arrived 30 minutes before my appointment time. I booked in straight away, and explained I was early. But that didn't matter. I had to walk a few yards and wait just a few seconds. Then someone else directed me in to another room. I was booked in again and then directed to my jabber, who explained a few things. Then he asked if I was happy for him to give me the jab. I said I did not know if he was qualified, so I couldn't say. He said it was hardly likely that they would use him if he was not qualified. He did not have any documents with him to prove that he was qualified but, to his relief, I let him jab me anyway. All quite painless and very fast. Then ten minutes in a nearby "observation room," where eagle-eyed observers looked and appeared to hope that someone would collapse from the effects of the injection and relieve the boredom of their jobs. But no such luck. When the clock had reached the time on the sticker they had attached to my coat, it was time to go. I left exactly at the original time of my appointment, with a card to present, when next summoned, indicating what I had been given and when. Everything went very smoothly, but there were so many helpers with little to do. It seemed to be an extravagant use of labour, and I wondered if the helpers were all NHS staff, town hall staff, or unpaid volunteers. Probably the latter, I think. All quite young (mind you, everyone looks quite young to me these days). I wondered who had organised this effective inoculation system. Perhaps it was brigadier Phil Prosser. The prime minister had introduced him at a press conference as the person he had put in charge of the logistics involved in getting vaccines to those who need it. But I've not heard of him since then. Perhaps the government is happy to take the praise for getting vaccines done in time, and we'll only hear of the brigadier if things go wrong and he becomes the convenient person to blame. Or am I being too cynical? KW On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 11:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > A pal who lives locally to me in SW London has just had his Covid jab > today. He's not quite 60, but has a medical condition that puts him at > special risk. And he's been given the Oxford vaccine. First I've heard of. > All of my other pals same sort of age as me have had the Pfizer one. > > I was very impressed with the organization for mine. Several local GP > practices had got together, and the largest one given over to only doing > the inoculation. With lots of volunteers helping. Much needed since so > many were old and infirm. They gave you a 10 minute window to arrive, and > when I had mine, no queuing. Unlike some pictures I've seen on TV. They > had set up gazebos on the forecourt to act as a reception, and the waiting > room used for the 15 minute 'recovery' area. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 04:04:49 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:04:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com> References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> <371b191b-2bb6-bcec-dd40-1adcfb41ffc7@gmail.com> <04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36@gmail.com> Sorry, Barry.? I wasn't trying to imply any stupidity on your part - I hadn't actually noticed that you'd spelled the word wrongly.? What I was saying was that the woman involved was stupid, not the machine. She was in charge of any number of pieces of technology - the push chair, spectacles, that Anne Summers Rampant Rabbit she'd just bought - but none of them were stupid, she was. B At this point I should probably put "Sent from my OnePlus 7T", like people do with their iPhones. It translates to "Not only did I pay massively over the odds for this thing, I'm also giving free advertising to the world's richest company". But I prefer a real keyboard for these jobs, so I'll put "Sent from my Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X-CF (U3E1), with Nvidia? GeForce GTX 960 and 32GB memory" On 27/01/2021 22:07, Barry Bonner wrote: > Oops! Should have been ?conversation? of course but could have been a > conversion! > Barry. > > > > On 27 Jan 2021, at 21:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> >> >> On 27/01/2021 14:41, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >>> she stopped, fished in the bag on the push-chair, pulled out a smart >>> phone and proceeded to hold a conversion on it! >> >> Stupidity comes in many forms >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Jan 28 04:25:55 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:25:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36@gmail.com> References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> <371b191b-2bb6-bcec-dd40-1adcfb41ffc7@gmail.com> <04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com>, <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have ?Sent from my iPad mini 5? as a footer, not to advertise Apple (which I would never want to do), but so that other iPad and iPhone users will immediately recognise tgat al typos and other areas are its fault, mot nime. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Jan 2021, at 10:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Sorry, Barry. I wasn't trying to imply any stupidity on your part - I hadn't actually noticed that you'd spelled the word wrongly. What I was saying was that the woman involved was stupid, not the machine. She was in charge of any number of pieces of technology - the push chair, spectacles, that Anne Summers Rampant Rabbit she'd just bought - but none of them were stupid, she was. B At this point I should probably put "Sent from my OnePlus 7T", like people do with their iPhones. It translates to "Not only did I pay massively over the odds for this thing, I'm also giving free advertising to the world's richest company". But I prefer a real keyboard for these jobs, so I'll put "Sent from my Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X-CF (U3E1), with Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 and 32GB memory" On 27/01/2021 22:07, Barry Bonner wrote: Oops! Should have been ?conversation? of course but could have been a conversion! Barry. On 27 Jan 2021, at 21:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: On 27/01/2021 14:41, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: she stopped, fished in the bag on the push-chair, pulled out a smart phone and proceeded to hold a conversion on it! Stupidity comes in many forms B -- Tech1 mailing list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Jan 28 04:56:26 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:56:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: <58f55a74fcdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58f5dced7fdavesound@btinternet.com> It's difficult to get out of the principle to arrive early for such appointments. I had my flue jab at my surgery. And they said on the phone when arranging it to attempt to arrive at the surgery at the correct time, to minimise queueing. As for once, they were perhaps more concerned about patients hanging around than the doctors kept waiting - and of course a simple jab is easier to time than a general consultation. They'd also arranged this for a Sunday, when the surgery normally closed. I'd normally go by bus to my surgery. (Originally, it was walking distance, but when my first doctor retired, they moved from his house to commercial premises a bit further away - but easy to get to on one bus) Not wanting to use PT during this epidemic, I drove there. Easy to park in nearby residential streets, but you have to pay, but not on a Sunday. So I waited in the car and got there spot on, time wise. They kept everyone outside until seen. Used the waiting room split into two to allow two treated at once. And made sure entering and leaving observed social distancing by using separate entrances. I didn't have to queue at all - but if you had to, it would have been on the pavement. For the flue jab at a different but nearby surgery, I'd guess they used lots of volunteers. Identified by being in Hi-Vis waistcoats. Staff were in their normal uniform. Was only seen by two 'medics' - one who asked the usual questions about allergies etc, and the one who did the jab. Never did quite understand the idea of bringing in the army when 'foot soldiers' can be local volunteers, of which I'm told there are plenty. The army doesn't possess suitable transport for vaccine delivery, and your own health authority (in the broad sense) has those with both the medical and organisation skills. Being rather cynical I'd say the government talking about a national campaign using the army is just another headline grabber, rather than the best way of doing it. Given what a mess they've made of near everything related to Covid to date. In article , Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > I had my first jab for covid-19 at Ealing Town Hall. last Saturday. > I took up the offer of a lift there, and arrived 30 minutes before my > appointment time. I booked in straight away, and explained I was early. But > that didn't matter. I had to walk a few yards and wait just a few seconds. > Then someone else directed me in to another room. > I was booked in again and then directed to my jabber, who explained a few > things. Then he asked if I was happy for him to give me the jab. I said I > did not know if he was qualified, so I couldn't say. He said it was hardly > likely that they would use him if he was not qualified. He did not have any > documents with him to prove that he was qualified but, to his relief, I let > him jab me anyway. > All quite painless and very fast. Then ten minutes in a nearby "observation > room," where eagle-eyed observers looked and appeared to hope that someone > would collapse from the effects of the injection and relieve the boredom of > their jobs. But no such luck. When the clock had reached the time on the > sticker they had attached to my coat, it was time to go. I left exactly at > the original time of my appointment, with a card to present, when next > summoned, indicating what I had been given and when. > Everything went very smoothly, but there were so many helpers with little > to do. It seemed to be an extravagant use of labour, and I wondered if the > helpers were all NHS staff, town hall staff, or unpaid volunteers. Probably > the latter, I think. All quite young (mind you, everyone looks quite young > to me these days). > I wondered who had organised this effective inoculation system. Perhaps it > was brigadier Phil Prosser. The prime minister had introduced him at a > press conference as the person he had put in charge of the logistics > involved in getting vaccines to those who need it. But I've not heard of > him since then. Perhaps the government is happy to take the praise for > getting vaccines done in time, and we'll only hear of the brigadier if > things go wrong and he becomes the convenient person to blame. Or am I > being too cynical? > KW > On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 11:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > > A pal who lives locally to me in SW London has just had his Covid jab > > today. He's not quite 60, but has a medical condition that puts him at > > special risk. And he's been given the Oxford vaccine. First I've heard of. > > All of my other pals same sort of age as me have had the Pfizer one. > > > > I was very impressed with the organization for mine. Several local GP > > practices had got together, and the largest one given over to only doing > > the inoculation. With lots of volunteers helping. Much needed since so > > many were old and infirm. They gave you a 10 minute window to arrive, and > > when I had mine, no queuing. Unlike some pictures I've seen on TV. They > > had set up gazebos on the forecourt to act as a reception, and the waiting > > room used for the 15 minute 'recovery' area. > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Jan 28 05:02:33 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:02:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36@gmail.com> References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com> <371b191b-2bb6-bcec-dd40-1adcfb41ffc7@gmail.com> <04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com> <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58f5dd7c85davesound@btinternet.com> In article <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36 at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > But I prefer a real keyboard for these > jobs, so I'll put "Sent from my Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X-CF (U3E1), with > Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 and 32GB memory" I have great difficulty with many touch screens. I'd guess my fingers ain't human. I have to use a 'pen' with my phone. So yes, at home I want a keyboard. And also a mouse as the touch pads are just as unreliable as a screen here. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 05:05:18 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:05:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <90FA4AD5-D1D9-4123-BAF0-6D8A212BD543@me.com> References: <90FA4AD5-D1D9-4123-BAF0-6D8A212BD543@me.com> Message-ID: Many thanks for your detailed response. No parking facilities here now as, some time ago, the council allowed building over their car park. And no tea or coffee offered. I had the Pfizer vaccine. Otherwise, we appear to have been treated in a similar, effective fashion. So far, so good. Let's see if we get the second dose within a reasonable time. There appears to be some confusion about this. I accepted what one doctor said about the protection being slightly reduced if the time between injections was extended, but more people would be covered quickly, so it was a good strategy. But, last night, another person said that this was not recommended. These statements are not mutually exclusive but the first statement was based on guesswork and that should have been made clear. Also, there seems to be similar confusion about mixing vaccines. However, our current approach may be the best we can do in the necessary rush to inoculate. KW On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 09:03, Alan Taylor wrote: > There seems to be various ways these vaccination centres are organised. I > have no info about who organises the massive operations at stadia and > similar places, but the smaller ones are organised by NHS surgeries > themselves, often in cooperation with other local surgeries. I was told > about it by one of the surgery staff who helped set it up. > > The one I?m going to is run by three surgeries who have been able to use a > community centre which would otherwise be idle. They have had advice from > national and regional management. The people doing the medical jobs ( jabs > and checks ) are experienced in those tasks, either our doctors or nurses > and they are manning it in turns so that patients will see familiar faces, > but the next day all the patients and medical staff will be from a > different surgery, with each one running it one day in three. The people > supporting them are mostly volunteers with a few staff from the practice > dealing with the official records, overseeing it all to make sure it?s done > properly and to deal with any issues. > > The one here uses the local Lions club to marshal cars into and out of the > very limited car parking space. We are advised not to arrive by car more > than ten minutes early and that they excpect to run quite accurately to > time. I was somewhat surprised by the precision of my appointment, 13:51 > this coming Saturday. They even have a holding car park at a nearby office > block. If you arrive early and parking spaces are tight, you will be > redirected to the holding car park and somebody there will let you know > when to return. If the car park fills up, any drivers waiting to collect > people may be asked to go to the holding park and will be cued to return > just in time for that patient to emerge from the ten minute observation > period. They offer tea and coffee in the holding car park and have WC > facilities too. > > The helpers inside the centre are mostly volunteers. Ideally they want to > use people who have already been CRB checked, so they are using a lot of > people who normally volunteer at the hospitals and other places. Volunteer > car drivers are acting as taxis for those who can?t get there. Those > drivers get paid a small mileage rate. > > Signage has been printed and donated by local companies. Cones, barriers, > gazebos and all sorts of other hardware has been lent by businesses. > > I was told that the idea of mass vaccination had been discussed long ago, > but no detailed plans had emerged. The Pfizer vaccine needs cryogenic > storage and is only suitable for large operations dealing with >500 people > per day, preferably thousands. The availability of the AZ vaccine with its > simpler storage requirements made smaller scale local centres possible. > This particular operation was set up very rapidly once it became clear that > supplies would definitely be available. Local businesses were very keen to > help in any way they can and there was no shortage of individuals offering > to volunteer. > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 28 Jan 2021, at 07:19, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: > > ??? > I wondered who had organised this effective inoculation system. Perhaps it > was brigadier Phil Prosser. The prime minister had introduced him at a > press conference as the person he had put in charge of the logistics > involved in getting vaccines to those who need it. But I've not heard of > him since then. Perhaps the government is happy to take the praise for > getting vaccines done in time, and we'll only hear of the brigadier if > things go wrong and he becomes the convenient person to blame. Or am I > being too cynical? > > KW > > On We > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Jan 28 05:20:35 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:20:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: <90FA4AD5-D1D9-4123-BAF0-6D8A212BD543@me.com> Message-ID: <58f5df2347davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > Let's see if we get the second dose within a reasonable time. There appears > to be some confusion about this. I accepted what one doctor said about the > protection being slightly reduced if the time between injections was > extended, but more people would be covered quickly, so it was a good > strategy. But, last night, another person said that this was not > recommended. These statements are not mutually exclusive but the first > statement was based on guesswork and that should have been made clear. > Also, there seems to be similar confusion about mixing vaccines. However, > our current approach may be the best we can do in the necessary rush to > inoculate. To me, it's a no brainer. Get the first jab to as many as possible. To reduce the number of new cases as quickly as possible to take pressure off the hospitals - even if it isn't 100% effective. We can hope supplies allow the second one within the time. If not, we can still re-vaccinate everyone when supplies are adequate - as they will be at some point, same as everything. 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Jan 28 06:10:27 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 12:10:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <58f5dd7c85davesound@btinternet.com> References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com><371b191b-2bb6-bcec-dd40-1adcfb41ffc7@gmail.com><04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com><3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36@gmail.com> <58f5dd7c85davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: So I'm not the only one with touch screen difficulties then. Tablets, smartphones, fruit & veg. weighing machines in supermarkets - you name it, I invariably struggle with it. I have no idea whether this is relevant but since schooldays I have been aware that my body electrical resistance if I grasp the two leads of a meter one in each hand is of the order of 200K Ohms (typically on a 20K ohms/volt meter). Many others registered about a tenth of that figure. The countless 'belts' I suffered years ago when stupidly soldering in live chassis presumably had less current flowing through me than would have happened with many other folk. I remember several 400V DC jolts which were a bit on the heavy side but mostly I shrugged them off. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:02 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Smart phones In article <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36 at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > But I prefer a real keyboard for these > jobs, so I'll put "Sent from my Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X-CF (U3E1), with > Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 and 32GB memory" I have great difficulty with many touch screens. I'd guess my fingers ain't human. I have to use a 'pen' with my phone. So yes, at home I want a keyboard. And also a mouse as the touch pads are just as unreliable as a screen here. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Thu Jan 28 06:45:44 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 12:45:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast Message-ID: Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an aviation enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at Lakenheath and Mildenhall when I was 12. In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my teenage years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those days you had to 'wait around' in the hope that something interesting would arrive. It usually did as Changi was a wonderfal place for visiting planes. A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the Flying Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an airband radio to add an additional element to the videos. Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like this morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave Brize Norton just after 9am and start threading it's way at low level across mid-Wales, out to sea then turn back across South Wales and into Somerset. At that point I knew it was 'heading my way'. That's because, where I live in very rural Dorset, we are on one of the military 'low flying zones' and the Brize Norton C-130's and A400's use the route past my house on a regular basis. Indeed this particular C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just had to stand in a west facing bedroom at the right time to see him roar past, right on cue. Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 feet but they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it always seems so much lower! I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is great as it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate planes and also 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter Typhoons and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting things like say a French F-16 making an incursion into East Anglia....to be chased out by a pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' from Brize flying a 'race track' circuit out to sea whilst a jet refuels. The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath jets don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the routes back to their home bases. I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late '50's and surely it has been the greatest aviation success story...well since the C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at www.davidtaylorimages/aviation and the video's from Flying Legends, and particularly the my sequence of a P-51 Mustang accident at Duxford- 'Loss of Big Beautiful Doll' *https://vimeo.com/26291756 * along with other videos on Vimeo. Dave T Nr Bridport Dorset -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 06:48:44 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 12:48:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: <90FA4AD5-D1D9-4123-BAF0-6D8A212BD543@me.com> Message-ID: <275f97b9-c560-c21e-db40-f42204f04737@gmail.com> Went to the Woking centre today. Car park was free - normally ?1.50 and hour.? Checked in at the door with hand stuff and temperature check. Given a number, then in to the first waiting area just inside.? When my number was called, moved to the second waiting area, then on to a check-in lady at a desk with computer.? Then to the next waiting area, and then to the jab - "Pfizer today". After, sit in another waiting area for 15 minutes. All told, about 40 minutes. B On 28/01/2021 11:05, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > Many thanks for your detailed response. No parking facilities here now > as, some time ago, the council allowed building over their car park. > And no tea or coffee offered. I had the Pfizer vaccine. Otherwise, we > appear to have been treated in a similar, effective fashion. So far, > so good. > > Let's see if we get the second dose within a reasonable time. There > appears to be some confusion about this. I accepted what one doctor > said about the protection being slightly reduced if the time between > injections was extended, but more people would be covered quickly, so > it was a good strategy. But, last night, another person said that this > was not recommended. These statements are not mutually exclusive but > the first statement was based on guesswork and that should have been > made clear. Also, there seems to be similar confusion about mixing > vaccines. However, our current approach may be the best we can do in > the necessary rush to inoculate. > > KW > > > On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 09:03, Alan Taylor > wrote: > > There seems to be various ways these vaccination centres are > organised.? I have no info about who organises the massive > operations at stadia and similar places, but the smaller ones are > organised by NHS surgeries themselves, often in cooperation with > other local surgeries.? I was told about it by one of the surgery > staff who helped set it up. > > The one I?m going to is run by three surgeries who have been able > to use a community centre which would otherwise be idle.? They > have had advice from national and regional management.? The people > doing the medical jobs ( jabs and checks ) are experienced in > those tasks, either our doctors or nurses and they are manning it > in turns so that patients will see familiar faces, but the next > day all the patients and medical staff will be from a different > surgery, with each one running it one day in three.? The people > supporting them are mostly volunteers with a few staff from the > practice dealing with the official records, overseeing it all to > make sure it?s done properly and to deal with any issues. > > The one here uses the local Lions club to marshal cars into and > out of the very limited car parking space.? We are advised not to > arrive by car more than ten minutes early and that they excpect to > run quite accurately to time.? I was somewhat surprised by the > precision of my appointment, 13:51 this coming Saturday. They even > have a holding car park at a nearby office block.? If you arrive > early and parking spaces are tight, you will be redirected to the > holding car park and somebody there will let you know when to > return. If the car park fills up, any drivers waiting to collect > people may be asked to go to the holding park and will be cued to > return just in time for that patient to emerge from the ten minute > observation period. They offer tea and coffee in the holding car > park and have WC facilities too. > > The helpers inside the centre are mostly volunteers.? Ideally they > want to use people who have already been CRB checked, so they are > using a lot of people who normally volunteer at the hospitals and > other places.? Volunteer car drivers are acting as taxis for those > who can?t get there.? Those drivers get paid a small mileage rate. > > Signage has been printed and donated by local companies.? Cones, > barriers, gazebos and all sorts of other hardware has been lent by > businesses. > > I was told that the idea of mass vaccination had been discussed > long ago, but no detailed plans had emerged. The Pfizer vaccine > needs cryogenic storage and is only suitable for large operations > dealing with >500 people per day, preferably thousands. The > availability of the AZ vaccine with its simpler storage > requirements made smaller scale local centres possible.? This > particular operation was set up very rapidly once it became clear > that supplies would definitely be available. Local businesses were > very keen to help in any way they can and there was no shortage of > individuals offering to volunteer. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 28 Jan 2021, at 07:19, Keith Wicks via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> ??? >> I wondered who had organised this effective inoculation system. >> Perhaps it was brigadier Phil Prosser. The prime minister had >> introduced him at a press conference as?the person he had put in >> charge of the logistics involved in getting vaccines to those who >> need it. But I've not heard of him since then. Perhaps the >> government is happy to take the praise for getting vaccines done >> in time, and we'll only hear of the brigadier if things go wrong >> and he becomes the convenient person to blame. Or am I being too >> cynical? >> >> KW >> >> On We > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 06:51:25 2021 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 12:51:25 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] touch screens References: <23A7127A-8FD5-478F-8334-5EB3CAD70993@mac.com><371b191b-2bb6-bcec-dd40-1adcfb41ffc7@gmail.com><04337322-0863-4A12-9A62-DB582ABCB6AE@btinternet.com><3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36@gmail.com><58f5dd7c85davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Although my finger tips seem high resistance (burnt to many times whist soldering) sadly not so my wrist! As a junior in black and white days i remember in TVT being sent out in line up to assist engineers in resetting scans which involved reaching round the side whilst head in viewfinder inevitably ones wrist would touch the top of the capaitor with dynode 400? volts supply LOUD EXPLETIVE then realise all the audiance in the stalls were staring at you. HAPPY DAYS chris Glass From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jan 28 07:19:49 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:19:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: <58f5dd7c85davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f5dd7c85davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6E969A9C-DB34-4715-8F9C-49D48524E52B@me.com> There are usually two issues with touch screen problems. One is that it simply doesn?t electronically react to your particular fingers, but works normally for others. There isn?t really a simple fix for that. I had an equivalent issue with trying to open flimsy plastic bags which supermarkets used to offer. No amount of friction, rubbing, sliding or finger licking would allow me to open the bag, but other people could open it with ease. The second problem is people finding them imprecise for fine movements. If you need to move a cursor by a small amount, instead of trying to slide your finger a small amount, you can gently roll it while still keeping contact with the screen. It provides something akin to vernier control. One other thing to bear in mind is that most phone and tablet touch screens use capacitive sensing and detect the entire area in contact with your finger, then calculating the centre of that area to determine the intended target. You can see that in action on your phone if you orient it portrait-wise so that the keyboard is narrowest with each key being just a few mm across. You should still be able to type accurately using your thumb, even though it covers several keys at a time. iPhone users might not realise that there are hidden keys on your keyboard, possibly on other phones too. If you press on a key and hold, some keys offer extra characters. For instance U also brings up ?, ?, ?, ? and ?, while ? also offers ?, $ and ?. For degrees, number 0 also produces ?. There are many more such combinations, it?s easy to experiment to see what?s there ? Alan Taylor > On 28 Jan 2021, at 11:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36 at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> But I prefer a real keyboard for these >> jobs, so I'll put "Sent from my Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X-CF (U3E1), with >> Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 and 32GB memory" > > I have great difficulty with many touch screens. I'd guess my fingers > ain't human. I have to use a 'pen' with my phone. > > So yes, at home I want a keyboard. And also a mouse as the touch pads are > just as unreliable as a screen here. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 11:22:16 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 17:22:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two captures, one from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few seconds apart. B On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an > aviation enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at > Lakenheath and Mildenhall when I was 12. > In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my > teenage years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those days > you had to 'wait around' in the hope that something interesting would > arrive. It usually did as Changi was a wonderfal place for visiting > planes. > A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the > Flying Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an airband > radio to add an additional element to the videos. > > Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like this > morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave Brize > Norton just after 9am and start threading it's way at low level across > mid-Wales, out to sea then turn back across South Wales and into > Somerset. At that point I knew it was 'heading my way'. That's > because, where I live in very rural Dorset, we are on one of the > military 'low flying zones' and the Brize Norton C-130's and A400's > use the route past my house on a regular basis. Indeed this particular > C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just had to stand in a west facing > bedroom at the right time to see him roar past, right on cue. > Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 feet > but they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it always seems > so much lower! > > I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is great > as it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate planes and > also 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. > It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter > Typhoons and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting > things like say a French F-16 making an incursion into East > Anglia....to be chased out by a pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' from > Brize flying a 'race track' circuit out to sea whilst a jet refuels. > The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath jets > don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the routes back to > their home bases. > > I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late '50's > and surely it has been the greatest aviation success story...well > since the C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. > > My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at > www.davidtaylorimages/aviation? and the video's from Flying Legends, > and particularly the my sequence of a P-51 Mustang accident at > Duxford- 'Loss of Big Beautiful Doll' _https://vimeo.com/26291756 > _ ?along with other videos on Vimeo. > > Dave T > Nr Bridport Dorset > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See here https://www.flightradar24.com/build-your-own Doug On 28 January 2021, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two captures, one from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few seconds apart. ?? ? B On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an aviation enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at Lakenheath and Mildenhall when I was 12. In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my teenage years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those days you had to 'wait around' in the hope that something interesting would arrive. It usually did as Changi was a wonderfal place for visiting planes. A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the Flying Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an airband radio to add an additional element to the videos. Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like this morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave Brize Norton just after 9am and start threading it's way at low level across mid-Wales, out to sea then turn back across South Wales and into Somerset. At that point I knew it was 'heading my way'. That's because, where I live in very rural Dorset, we are on one of the military 'low flying zones' and the Brize Norton C-130's and A400's use the route past my house on a regular basis. Indeed this particular C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just had to stand in a west facing bedroom at the right time to see him roar past, right on cue. Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 feet but they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it always seems so much lower! I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is great as it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate planes and also 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter Typhoons and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting things like say a French F-16 making an incursion into East Anglia....to be chased out by a pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' from Brize flying a 'race track' circuit out to sea whilst a jet refuels. The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath jets don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the routes back to their home bases. I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late '50's and surely it has been the greatest aviation success story...well since the C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at www.davidtaylorimages/aviation? and the video's from Flying Legends, and particularly the my sequence of a P-51 Mustang accident at Duxford- 'Loss of Big Beautiful Doll'? https://vimeo.com/26291756? ?along with other videos on Vimeo. Dave T Nr Bridport Dorset -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Thu Jan 28 12:18:37 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:18:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bernard, Yes I prefer Plane Finder, which uses ADB-S receivers and it shows military flights? that are using a recognised civilian code and gives the serial and callsign in the ID 'tag' You can only easily see the callsign on those military flights that Flight Radar 24 does show, and you are correct that it must be censoring some military aircraft. However, I can bring up details of previous flight on FR24. So could see that a Brize Norton based Voyager had been operating out of the Falkland Islands 'Mount Pleasant' airport for a month, as it came over my house heading back to Brize recently. I have the Pro versions of both, and can't now remember what gets omitted in the free versions. DT ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On 28 Jan 2021, 17:22, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two captures, >one from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few seconds apart. > > > >B > > > > >On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an >> aviation enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at >> Lakenheath and Mildenhall when I was 12. >> In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my >> teenage years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those >days >> you had to 'wait around' in the hope that something interesting would > >> arrive. It usually did as Changi was a wonderfal place for visiting >> planes. >> A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the >> Flying Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an airband >> radio to add an additional element to the videos. >> >> Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like >this >> morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave Brize >> Norton just after 9am and start threading it's way at low level >across >> mid-Wales, out to sea then turn back across South Wales and into >> Somerset. At that point I knew it was 'heading my way'. That's >> because, where I live in very rural Dorset, we are on one of the >> military 'low flying zones' and the Brize Norton C-130's and A400's >> use the route past my house on a regular basis. Indeed this >particular >> C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just had to stand in a west facing >> bedroom at the right time to see him roar past, right on cue. >> Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 feet >> but they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it always seems > >> so much lower! >> >> I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is >great >> as it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate planes and > >> also 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. >> It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter >> Typhoons and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting >> things like say a French F-16 making an incursion into East >> Anglia....to be chased out by a pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' from > >> Brize flying a 'race track' circuit out to sea whilst a jet refuels. >> The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath jets > >> don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the routes back >to >> their home bases. >> >> I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late >'50's >> and surely it has been the greatest aviation success story...well >> since the C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. >> >> My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at >> www.davidtaylorimages/aviation? and the video's from Flying Legends, >> and particularly the my sequence of a P-51 Mustang accident at >> Duxford- 'Loss of Big Beautiful Doll' _https://vimeo.com/26291756 >> _ ?along with other videos on Vimeo. >> >> Dave T >> Nr Bridport Dorset >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Thu Jan 28 13:02:55 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 19:02:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, That's fascinating....I never realised that anyone could easily be providing data to FR24, via something as simple as a Raspberry Pi. You made me investigate further and I see other flight tracking apps, like Flight Aware, Plane Finder, 360 Radar, and others I'm sure will even send you an ADS-B receiver kit if you upload the data to them and you can mount the aerial externally etc.. The 'aviation kit' dealer Transair also sells a few bits from the likes of Garmin, including this little gadget: GNS 5890 ADS-B Receiver Code : GNS5890 The GNS 5890 is a USB ADS-B Receiver and fits directly into your PC. Being only slightly bigger than a standard USB stick, the GNS5890 is the world's smallest ADS-B receiver. ?121.13Inc VAT(?100.94Ex VAT) I guess that doesn't qualify for any 'free access' subsciptions though.Dave T On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 18:10, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > Flightradar24 have several levels of subscription giving you progressively > more information. The top level, Business, costs more than ?400 per year. > However if you set up a raspberry receiver which tracks flights in your > area, you get free top level subscription. I have one in my loft which has > been working for two years without problems. See here > > https://www.flightradar24.com/build-your-own > > Doug > > > On 28 January 2021, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two captures, one > from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few seconds apart. > > > > B > > > > > On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an aviation > enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at Lakenheath and > Mildenhall when I was 12. > In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my teenage > years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those days you had to > 'wait around' in the hope that something interesting would arrive. It > usually did as Changi was a wonderfal place for visiting planes. > A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the Flying > Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an airband radio to add > an additional element to the videos. > > Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like this > morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave Brize Norton > just after 9am and start threading it's way at low level across mid-Wales, > out to sea then turn back across South Wales and into Somerset. At that > point I knew it was 'heading my way'. That's because, where I live in very > rural Dorset, we are on one of the military 'low flying zones' and the > Brize Norton C-130's and A400's use the route past my house on a regular > basis. Indeed this particular C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just had to > stand in a west facing bedroom at the right time to see him roar past, > right on cue. > Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 feet but > they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it always seems so much > lower! > > I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is great as > it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate planes and also > 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. > It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter Typhoons > and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting things like say a > French F-16 making an incursion into East Anglia....to be chased out by a > pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' from Brize flying a 'race track' circuit > out to sea whilst a jet refuels. > The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath jets > don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the routes back to > their home bases. > > I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late '50's and > surely it has been the greatest aviation success story...well since the > C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. > > My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at > www.davidtaylorimages/aviation and the video's from Flying Legends, and > particularly the my sequence of a P-51 Mustang accident at Duxford- 'Loss > of Big Beautiful Doll' *https://vimeo.com/26291756 > * along with other videos on Vimeo. > > Dave T > Nr Bridport Dorset > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 14:24:59 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:24:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9493fc61-8509-a4d2-8f7e-20ba3d590617@gmail.com> Several years ago one of the members of the London Transport Flying Club was complaining that he couldn't see his ADS-B equipped aircraft when it was low around Fairoaks.? It turned out that you only need one of these - https://bit.ly/3j2RgHx? - and a Raspberry PI, plus an appropriate aerial. Ours has been in the clubhouse minding it's own business now for ages. It feeds FR24 and ADSB Exchange, and I too have a top of the range FR24 login, if only I can find it. B On 28/01/2021 19:02, David Taylor wrote: > Doug, > That's fascinating....I never realised that anyone could easily be > providing data to FR24, via something as simple as a Raspberry Pi. > You made me investigate further and I see other flight tracking apps, > like Flight Aware, Plane Finder, 360 Radar, and others I'm sure will > even send you an ADS-B receiver kit if you upload the data to them and > you can mount the aerial externally etc.. > The 'aviation kit' dealer Transair also sells a few bits from the > likes of Garmin, including this little gadget: > > > GNS 5890 ADS-B Receiver > > Code : GNS5890 > The GNS 5890 is a USB ADS-B Receiver and fits directly into your PC. > Being only slightly bigger than a standard USB stick, the GNS5890 is > the world's smallest ADS-B receiver. > ?121.13Inc VAT(?100.94Ex VAT) > > I guess that doesn't qualify for any 'free access' subsciptions > though.Dave T > > > On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 18:10, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Flightradar24 have several levels of subscription giving you > progressively more information. The top level, Business, costs > more? than ?400 per year. However if you set up a raspberry > receiver which tracks flights in your area, you get free top level > subscription. I have one in my loft which has been working for two > years without problems. See here > > https://www.flightradar24.com/build-your-own > > > Doug > > > > On 28 January 2021, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two > captures, one from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few > seconds apart. > > > > B > > > > > On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an >> aviation enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at >> Lakenheath and Mildenhall when I was 12. >> In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my >> teenage years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those >> days you had to 'wait around' in the hope that something >> interesting would arrive. It usually did as Changi was a >> wonderfal place for visiting planes. >> A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the >> Flying Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an >> airband radio to add an additional element to the videos. >> >> Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like >> this morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave >> Brize Norton just after 9am and start threading it's way at low >> level across mid-Wales, out to sea then turn back across South >> Wales and into Somerset. At that point I knew it was 'heading my >> way'. That's because, where I live in very rural Dorset, we are >> on one of the military 'low flying zones' and the Brize Norton >> C-130's and A400's use the route past my house on a regular >> basis. Indeed this particular C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just >> had to stand in a west facing bedroom at the right time to see >> him roar past, right on cue. >> Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 >> feet but they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it >> always seems so much lower! >> >> I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is >> great as it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate >> planes and also 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. >> It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter >> Typhoons and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting >> things like say a French F-16 making an incursion into East >> Anglia....to be chased out by a pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' >> from Brize flying a 'race track' circuit out to sea whilst a jet >> refuels. >> The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath >> jets don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the >> routes back to their home bases. >> >> I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late >> '50's and surely it has been the greatest aviation success >> story...well since the C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. >> >> My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at >> www.davidtaylorimages/aviation >> and the video's from >> Flying Legends, and particularly the my sequence of a P-51 >> Mustang accident at Duxford- 'Loss of Big Beautiful Doll' >> _https://vimeo.com/26291756 _ ?along >> with other videos on Vimeo. >> >> Dave T >> Nr Bridport Dorset >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Thu Jan 28 14:38:05 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:38:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast Message-ID: You can indeed build a Raspberry Pi receiver for Flight Aware and get a free Enterprise account worth $90 a month. Pi starter kit from Pimoroni https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-zero-complete-starter-kit The receiver on EBay is around ?25. Search "FlightAware". There is one at the moment with a bid of ?5. I think they may be just branded versions of something called a software defined radio receiver. A usb dongle with a frequency range of 500 kHz to 1.7 GHz. There is free software available On 28 January 2021, at 19:02, David Taylor wrote: Doug, That's fascinating....I never realised that anyone could easily be providing data to FR24, via something as simple as a Raspberry Pi. You made me investigate further and I see other flight tracking apps, like Flight Aware, Plane Finder, 360 Radar, and others I'm sure will even send you an ADS-B receiver kit if you upload the data to them and you can mount the aerial externally etc.. The 'aviation kit' dealer Transair also sells a few bits from the likes of Garmin, including this little gadget: GNS 5890 ADS-B Receiver Code :?GNS5890 The GNS 5890 is a USB ADS-B Receiver and fits directly into your PC. Being only slightly bigger than a standard USB stick, the GNS5890 is the world's smallest ADS-B receiver. ?121.13Inc VAT(?100.94Ex VAT) I guess that doesn't qualify for any 'free access' subsciptions though.Dave T On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 18:10, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: Flightradar24 have several levels of subscription giving you progressively more information. The top level, Business, costs more? than ?400 per year. However if you set up a raspberry receiver which tracks flights in your area, you get free top level subscription. I have one in my loft which has been working for two years without problems. See here https://www.flightradar24.com/build-your-own Doug On 28 January 2021, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two captures, one from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few seconds apart. ?? ? B On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an aviation enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at Lakenheath and Mildenhall when I was 12. In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my teenage years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those days you had to 'wait around' in the hope that something interesting would arrive. It usually did as Changi was a wonderfal place for visiting planes. A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the Flying Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an airband radio to add an additional element to the videos. Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like this morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave Brize Norton just after 9am and start threading it's way at low level across mid-Wales, out to sea then turn back across South Wales and into Somerset. At that point I knew it was 'heading my way'. That's because, where I live in very rural Dorset, we are on one of the military 'low flying zones' and the Brize Norton C-130's and A400's use the route past my house on a regular basis. Indeed this particular C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just had to stand in a west facing bedroom at the right time to see him roar past, right on cue. Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 feet but they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it always seems so much lower! I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is great as it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate planes and also 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter Typhoons and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting things like say a French F-16 making an incursion into East Anglia....to be chased out by a pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' from Brize flying a 'race track' circuit out to sea whilst a jet refuels. The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath jets don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the routes back to their home bases. I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late '50's and surely it has been the greatest aviation success story...well since the C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at www.davidtaylorimages/aviation? and the video's from Flying Legends, and particularly the my sequence of a P-51 Mustang accident at Duxford- 'Loss of Big Beautiful Doll'? https://vimeo.com/26291756? ?along with other videos on Vimeo. Dave T Nr Bridport Dorset -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Thu Jan 28 14:53:17 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:53:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast Message-ID: <5d7r4dmvh9qj8kdhhagkalgy.1611866725233@email.android.com> Last email sent before I finished. I have an SDR with an antenna in the loft. The software is however horrendously complicated, but has a lot of filters to decide different types of transmissions. However if you just want aircraft tracking, it looks like the dongle and some software from FlightAware will do the job. The antenna needs to be outside of in a loft, but they are small, less than six inches. Have a look here https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/how-to-install-pro-stick-dvb-t-on-windows/25070 Does not look simple though. Doug From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 15:11:22 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 21:11:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Refueling off Norfolk tonight On 28/01/2021 19:02, David Taylor wrote: > Doug, > That's fascinating....I never realised that anyone could easily be > providing data to FR24, via something as simple as a Raspberry Pi. > You made me investigate further and I see other flight tracking apps, > like Flight Aware, Plane Finder, 360 Radar, and others I'm sure will > even send you an ADS-B receiver kit if you upload the data to them and > you can mount the aerial externally etc.. > The 'aviation kit' dealer Transair also sells a few bits from the > likes of Garmin, including this little gadget: > > > GNS 5890 ADS-B Receiver > > Code : GNS5890 > The GNS 5890 is a USB ADS-B Receiver and fits directly into your PC. > Being only slightly bigger than a standard USB stick, the GNS5890 is > the world's smallest ADS-B receiver. > ?121.13Inc VAT(?100.94Ex VAT) > > I guess that doesn't qualify for any 'free access' subsciptions > though.Dave T > > > On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 18:10, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Flightradar24 have several levels of subscription giving you > progressively more information. The top level, Business, costs > more? than ?400 per year. However if you set up a raspberry > receiver which tracks flights in your area, you get free top level > subscription. I have one in my loft which has been working for two > years without problems. See here > > https://www.flightradar24.com/build-your-own > > > Doug > > > > On 28 January 2021, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two > captures, one from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few > seconds apart. > > > > B > > > > > On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an >> aviation enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at >> Lakenheath and Mildenhall when I was 12. >> In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my >> teenage years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those >> days you had to 'wait around' in the hope that something >> interesting would arrive. It usually did as Changi was a >> wonderfal place for visiting planes. >> A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the >> Flying Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an >> airband radio to add an additional element to the videos. >> >> Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like >> this morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave >> Brize Norton just after 9am and start threading it's way at low >> level across mid-Wales, out to sea then turn back across South >> Wales and into Somerset. At that point I knew it was 'heading my >> way'. That's because, where I live in very rural Dorset, we are >> on one of the military 'low flying zones' and the Brize Norton >> C-130's and A400's use the route past my house on a regular >> basis. Indeed this particular C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just >> had to stand in a west facing bedroom at the right time to see >> him roar past, right on cue. >> Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 >> feet but they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it >> always seems so much lower! >> >> I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is >> great as it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate >> planes and also 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. >> It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter >> Typhoons and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting >> things like say a French F-16 making an incursion into East >> Anglia....to be chased out by a pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' >> from Brize flying a 'race track' circuit out to sea whilst a jet >> refuels. >> The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath >> jets don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the >> routes back to their home bases. >> >> I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late >> '50's and surely it has been the greatest aviation success >> story...well since the C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. >> >> My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at >> www.davidtaylorimages/aviation >> and the video's from >> Flying Legends, and particularly the my sequence of a P-51 >> Mustang accident at Duxford- 'Loss of Big Beautiful Doll' >> _https://vimeo.com/26291756 _ ?along >> with other videos on Vimeo. >> >> Dave T >> Nr Bridport Dorset >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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French azerty keyboard is not particularly useful unlike a real keyboard because nearly all those pesky accents, comme ?a, are selected by long pressing the appropriate letter key and are available in the Apple English querty anyway. One ?useful? wheeze (not very) that I found recently is to install the Greek keyboard and then you?ve got ? and ? and ? etc, the whole gamut. But you have got to really want them to do the keyboard hopping! ?A anyone? Peter Fox On 28 Jan 2021, at 13:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ?There are usually two issues with touch screen problems. One is that it simply doesn?t electronically react to your particular fingers, but works normally for others. There isn?t really a simple fix for that. I had an equivalent issue with trying to open flimsy plastic bags which supermarkets used to offer. No amount of friction, rubbing, sliding or finger licking would allow me to open the bag, but other people could open it with ease. The second problem is people finding them imprecise for fine movements. If you need to move a cursor by a small amount, instead of trying to slide your finger a small amount, you can gently roll it while still keeping contact with the screen. It provides something akin to vernier control. One other thing to bear in mind is that most phone and tablet touch screens use capacitive sensing and detect the entire area in contact with your finger, then calculating the centre of that area to determine the intended target. You can see that in action on your phone if you orient it portrait-wise so that the keyboard is narrowest with each key being just a few mm across. You should still be able to type accurately using your thumb, even though it covers several keys at a time. iPhone users might not realise that there are hidden keys on your keyboard, possibly on other phones too. If you press on a key and hold, some keys offer extra characters. For instance U also brings up ?, ?, ?, ? and ?, while ? also offers ?, $ and ?. For degrees, number 0 also produces ?. There are many more such combinations, it?s easy to experiment to see what?s there ? Alan Taylor > On 28 Jan 2021, at 11:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <3afc1e39-d22d-0a58-b1cd-e9c0bc3daf36 at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> But I prefer a real keyboard for these >> jobs, so I'll put "Sent from my Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X-CF (U3E1), with >> Nvidia GeForce GTX 960 and 32GB memory" > > I have great difficulty with many touch screens. I'd guess my fingers > ain't human. I have to use a 'pen' with my phone. > > So yes, at home I want a keyboard. And also a mouse as the touch pads are > just as unreliable as a screen here. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 29 03:14:44 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:14:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Smart phones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DB019A6-F306-44A2-88D2-CC2ABAC049BB@me.com> If you install a foreign keyboard on an iPhone, not only do the characters and keyboard change for that nation, the spell check changes too, so now you can get multi lingual auto corrupt. The Greek keyboard is quite often installed by mathematicians and electronics engineers in order to easily type Greek symbols, which aren?t otherwise available via a long press. If you really want to show off, there is a geeky way of automatically typing real fractions such as ?,? etc, or absolutely any other Unicode character for that matter. Alan Taylor > On 29 Jan 2021, at 08:45, Peter Fox wrote: > > ?If you want to be even more anoraky you can install different keyboards on your iPhone via Keyboards in General in Settings. And then select them via the world symbol that gets you to emojis. > Why? its quicker to type ? ? ? if you are writing to Swedish relations. I don?t claim to speak such a heathen language apart from hej! and tack s? mycket (hello! and thank you very much) but it?s useful for directly keying place names: Sk?rholmen for example. > French azerty keyboard is not particularly useful unlike a real keyboard because nearly all those pesky accents, comme ?a, are selected by long pressing the appropriate letter key and are available in the Apple English querty anyway. > One ?useful? wheeze (not very) that I found recently is to install the Greek keyboard and then you?ve got ? and ? and ? etc, the whole gamut. But you have got to really want them to do the keyboard hopping! > ?A anyone? > > Peter Fox > > From mibridge at mac.com Fri Jan 29 03:18:23 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:18:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?2038_and_d=C3=A9j=C3=A0_vue?= Message-ID: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> Am I the only one not to have heard before today about the impending doom for computerised systems on 17th January 2038? The years leading up to planes falling from the sky at the stroke of the millennium midnight seemed to drag on forever, whereas the time since 2000 has flown. Indeed, shall I even see 2038, let alone be in a position to compare the passage of time before and after the event - an event horizon which I certainly hope to be able to see beyond! Supplementary question - the beginning of my last sentence called for a question mark, but by the time I?d finished it seemed inappropriate - am I right to leave it out? Splitting it into two sentences is an option, but that changes the flow. Second supplementary - should I get out more? Mike G From mibridge at mac.com Fri Jan 29 03:20:51 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:20:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?2038_and_d=C3=A9j=C3=A0_vue?= In-Reply-To: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> References: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> Message-ID: <6EADFDAF-3975-4B35-B3BD-F45EAE7166DF@mac.com> Wrong date - the threshold is crossed in the early hours of 19th January, 2038. Mike G > On 29 Jan 2021, at 09:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Am I the only one not to have heard before today about the impending doom for computerised systems on 17th January 2038? The years leading up to planes falling from the sky at the stroke of the millennium midnight seemed to drag on forever, whereas the time since 2000 has flown. > > Indeed, shall I even see 2038, let alone be in a position to compare the passage of time before and after the event - an event horizon which I certainly hope to be able to see beyond! > > Supplementary question - the beginning of my last sentence called for a question mark, but by the time I?d finished it seemed inappropriate - am I right to leave it out? Splitting it into two sentences is an option, but that changes the flow. > > Second supplementary - should I get out more? > > Mike G From nickrodger at mac.com Fri Jan 29 03:28:28 2021 From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:28:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?2038_and_d=C3=A9j=C3=A0_vue?= In-Reply-To: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> References: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> Message-ID: What is the significance of 17 Jan 2038? Nick Rodger Cameraman 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! Don?t blame me!! I voted Remain ?? On 29 Jan 2021, at 09:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ?Am I the only one not to have heard before today about the impending doom for computerised systems on 17th January 2038? The years leading up to planes falling from the sky at the stroke of the millennium midnight seemed to drag on forever, whereas the time since 2000 has flown. Indeed, shall I even see 2038, let alone be in a position to compare the passage of time before and after the event - an event horizon which I certainly hope to be able to see beyond! Supplementary question - the beginning of my last sentence called for a question mark, but by the time I?d finished it seemed inappropriate - am I right to leave it out? Splitting it into two sentences is an option, but that changes the flow. Second supplementary - should I get out more? Mike G -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 29 03:39:01 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:39:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?2038_and_d=C3=A9j=C3=A0_vue?= In-Reply-To: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> References: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> Message-ID: <6013d7b4.1c69fb81.28d8b.9264@mx.google.com> I?ve never understood why the Spanish use an upside down question mark ? what?s it mean (I hear you say?). In answer to Alan?s message about fractions, I?ve found that Windows 10 automatically displays the fraction if one types numeral / numeral. Dunno why but it works, but only in Word, not in e-mail. But I didn?t know about the ?long press? alternatives. Previously I?ve had to enter a symbol, which works well enough. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 29 January 2021 09:18 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] 2038 and d?j? vue Supplementary question - the beginning of my last sentence called for a question mark, but by the time I?d finished it seemed inappropriate - am I right to leave it out? Splitting it into two sentences is an option, but that changes the flow. Second supplementary - should I get out more? Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 03:40:44 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:40:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?2038_and_d=C3=A9j=C3=A0_vue?= In-Reply-To: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> References: <1795B065-4B13-428E-A318-F5247A3D4510@mac.com> Message-ID: <087153f8-72e3-d8fc-2bb7-3b6f5ddcb95d@gmail.com> I've written a number of things at rely on Unix timestamps - being just a big number, they are easier to manipulate.? It is just possible that one of them will still eb running in 2038, but someone else can fix it. Quote from Wikipedia - "At 03:14:08 UTC on Tuesday, 19 January 2038, 32-bit versions of the Unix timestamp will cease to work, as it will overflow the largest value that can be held in a signed 32-bit number (7FFFFFFF16 or 2147483647). Before this moment, software using 32-bit time stamps will need to adopt a new convention for time stamps,[26] and file formats using 32-bit time stamps will need to be changed to support larger time stamps or a different epoch. If unchanged, the next second will be incorrectly interpreted as 20:45:52 Friday 13 December 1901 UTC. This is referred to as the Year 2038 problem." B On 29/01/2021 09:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Am I the only one not to have heard before today about the impending doom for computerised systems on 17th January 2038? The years leading up to planes falling from the sky at the stroke of the millennium midnight seemed to drag on forever, whereas the time since 2000 has flown. > > Indeed, shall I even see 2038, let alone be in a position to compare the passage of time before and after the event - an event horizon which I certainly hope to be able to see beyond! > > Supplementary question - the beginning of my last sentence called for a question mark, but by the time I?d finished it seemed inappropriate - am I right to leave it out? Splitting it into two sentences is an option, but that changes the flow. > > Second supplementary - should I get out more? > > Mike G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Jan 29 05:05:41 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 11:05:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast Message-ID: I've seen that pattern before and wondered what they were doing. 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That's where the KC- 2/3 Voyager tankers head to from Brize Norton to give some juice to the Typhoons fairly often. Hugh, As you'll know, Farnborough code is 'EGLF'. If you get ADS-B Exchange running, and switch on in the top right menu-'OpenAIP TMS'. You'll see the UK NATS Airspace map overlayed, and you see the dedicated zones around each airport and the navigation beacons. I'm now very rusty on this IFR flight stuff, and am surprised to see that EGLF-Farnborough doesn't show a zone around the airport at all on that map. I'd expect to see something more like Fairoaks or Dunsfold. Someone will explain this to us I'm sure. Correction by the way, my 1960's photos are at: http://www.davidtaylorimages.co.uk/-/galleries/closely-observed-planes-my-early-1960s-aircraft- Dave T On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 11:06, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > I've seen that pattern before and wondered what they were doing. They are > at it again. > > Doug-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Jan 29 06:57:05 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 12:57:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast Message-ID: Thanks for info Dave. I live on the north Suffolk coast, so not far away. We are lucky here to be on a direct line to the Mall and Buck House. Every time there is a flyover, the fleet flies assembles out to sea and flies directly over us. Five minutes later we can also watch it on tele. Doug From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 07:00:15 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:00:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 29/01/2021 11:38, David Taylor wrote: > and am surprised to see that EGLF-Farnborough doesn't show a zone > around the airport at all on that map. I'd expect to see something > more like Fairoaks or Dunsfold. Someone will explain this to us I'm sure. It's because Farnborough stole all the airspace from the ground up in that tilted mostly rectangular block - CTR1 - a year ago. Apparently the CAA then changed the rules so it wouldn't be allowed now, but no retrospective fix.? There have been lots of incursions since then, as Farnborough now have dominion over a huge area for their celebs and drug dealers private jets. Fairoaks pilots either ask nicely, or stay below 1200ft until Guildford. Routing from the south east corner of Fairoaks ATZ direct to Ockham also keeps you clear of Farnborough. I always stayed around 1200ft till Guildford anyway, because although I was looking for shiny fast machines in the sky, they were probably on an instrument approach and not looking at all. Actually the workers at Farnborough - the ATC chaps - tend to be very helpful if not too busy. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You could install a copy of the freeware program 'OBS' (Open Broadcast Software) which allows you to take a movie of anything running on your desktop. Start OBS and run the 'History' of that BizJet and you'll get a video of it showing where it flew and at what altitude. That should be easy to pass on to the ATC at Farnborough if they dispute anything. Dave T On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 13:00, Bernard Newnham wrote: > On 29/01/2021 11:38, David Taylor wrote: > > and am surprised to see that EGLF-Farnborough doesn't show a zone around > the airport at all on that map. I'd expect to see something more like > Fairoaks or Dunsfold. Someone will explain this to us I'm sure. > > > It's because Farnborough stole all the airspace from the ground up in that > tilted mostly rectangular block - CTR1 - a year ago. Apparently the CAA > then changed the rules so it wouldn't be allowed now, but no retrospective > fix. There have been lots of incursions since then, as Farnborough now > have dominion over a huge area for their celebs and drug dealers private > jets. Fairoaks pilots either ask nicely, or stay below 1200ft until > Guildford. Routing from the south east corner of Fairoaks ATZ direct to > Ockham also keeps you clear of Farnborough. I always stayed around 1200ft > till Guildford anyway, because although I was looking for shiny fast > machines in the sky, they were probably on an instrument approach and not > looking at all. > > Actually the workers at Farnborough - the ATC chaps - tend to be very > helpful if not too busy. > > > > B > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And, given the current state of the pandemic - No! - You shouldn't get out more. luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mike Giles via Tech1" To: "Tech Ops" Sent: Friday, 29 Jan, 21 At 09:18 Subject: [Tech1] 2038 and d?j? vue Am I the only one not to have heard before today about the impending doom for computerised systems on 17th January 2038? The years leading up to planes falling from the sky at the stroke of the millennium midnight seemed to drag on forever, whereas the time since 2000 has flown. Indeed, shall I even see 2038, let alone be in a position to compare the passage of time before and after the event - an event horizon which I certainly hope to be able to see beyond! Supplementary question - the beginning of my last sentence called for a question mark, but by the time I?d finished it seemed inappropriate - am I right to leave it out? Splitting it into two sentences is an option, but that changes the flow. Second supplementary - should I get out more? 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jan 29 10:33:10 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 16:33:10 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: <90FA4AD5-D1D9-4123-BAF0-6D8A212BD543@me.com> Message-ID: <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Peoples? experiences do seem to vary, inevitable I guess given the scale of the undertaking. Here in Somerset we had one of the first mass vaccination centres set up at Taunton Racecourse and I had a letter offering an appointment there. Online process was very straightforward and quickly accomplished. It was mandatory to book 1st & 2nd jabs at the same time which were on a 12 week interval, nothing quicker available. My dates were to be Jan 27th & Apr 15th. Two days before my first appointment I had a ?phone call from our local health centre in Crewkerne offering an appointment on Jan 29th. Ten minute drive within a Covid rolling rate area currently at 113 against a 30 mile round trip to a location with a rate at 610. I don?t like messing people about but the local set up assured me there was nothing to worry about in that regard so I switched. Online cancellation for Taunton Racecourse again very simple. You?re not told in advance but the mass centre would I understand have been using Pfizer, whereas word on the street was that the smaller local centre probably wouldn?t have the necessary low storage temperature capability and would be using Astra Zeneca. Wrong ? it too was Pfizer as at 1.30 pm today. By contrast no arrangement for the 2nd jab was possible which perhaps leaves the possibility it may be a shorter interval more in line with the Pfizer recommendation. I have spoken to at least half a dozen people who have been through exactly the same process which makes me wonder just who does finish up using the major centre. At the zero + 3 hour mark I feel fine. After all, it?s only 1/3 of a ml, not quite a Hancock?s ?half an arm full?. Dave Newbitt. From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:05 AM To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab Many thanks for your detailed response. No parking facilities here now as, some time ago, the council allowed building over their car park. And no tea or coffee offered. I had the Pfizer vaccine. Otherwise, we appear to have been treated in a similar, effective fashion. So far, so good. Let's see if we get the second dose within a reasonable time. There appears to be some confusion about this. I accepted what one doctor said about the protection being slightly reduced if the time between injections was extended, but more people would be covered quickly, so it was a good strategy. But, last night, another person said that this was not recommended. These statements are not mutually exclusive but the first statement was based on guesswork and that should have been made clear. Also, there seems to be similar confusion about mixing vaccines. However, our current approach may be the best we can do in the necessary rush to inoculate. KW On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 09:03, Alan Taylor wrote: There seems to be various ways these vaccination centres are organised. I have no info about who organises the massive operations at stadia and similar places, but the smaller ones are organised by NHS surgeries themselves, often in cooperation with other local surgeries. I was told about it by one of the surgery staff who helped set it up. The one I?m going to is run by three surgeries who have been able to use a community centre which would otherwise be idle. They have had advice from national and regional management. The people doing the medical jobs ( jabs and checks ) are experienced in those tasks, either our doctors or nurses and they are manning it in turns so that patients will see familiar faces, but the next day all the patients and medical staff will be from a different surgery, with each one running it one day in three. The people supporting them are mostly volunteers with a few staff from the practice dealing with the official records, overseeing it all to make sure it?s done properly and to deal with any issues. The one here uses the local Lions club to marshal cars into and out of the very limited car parking space. We are advised not to arrive by car more than ten minutes early and that they excpect to run quite accurately to time. I was somewhat surprised by the precision of my appointment, 13:51 this coming Saturday. They even have a holding car park at a nearby office block. If you arrive early and parking spaces are tight, you will be redirected to the holding car park and somebody there will let you know when to return. If the car park fills up, any drivers waiting to collect people may be asked to go to the holding park and will be cued to return just in time for that patient to emerge from the ten minute observation period. They offer tea and coffee in the holding car park and have WC facilities too. The helpers inside the centre are mostly volunteers. Ideally they want to use people who have already been CRB checked, so they are using a lot of people who normally volunteer at the hospitals and other places. Volunteer car drivers are acting as taxis for those who can?t get there. Those drivers get paid a small mileage rate. Signage has been printed and donated by local companies. Cones, barriers, gazebos and all sorts of other hardware has been lent by businesses. I was told that the idea of mass vaccination had been discussed long ago, but no detailed plans had emerged. The Pfizer vaccine needs cryogenic storage and is only suitable for large operations dealing with >500 people per day, preferably thousands. The availability of the AZ vaccine with its simpler storage requirements made smaller scale local centres possible. This particular operation was set up very rapidly once it became clear that supplies would definitely be available. Local businesses were very keen to help in any way they can and there was no shortage of individuals offering to volunteer. Alan Taylor On 28 Jan 2021, at 07:19, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: ??? I wondered who had organised this effective inoculation system. Perhaps it was brigadier Phil Prosser. The prime minister had introduced him at a press conference as the person he had put in charge of the logistics involved in getting vaccines to those who need it. But I've not heard of him since then. Perhaps the government is happy to take the praise for getting vaccines done in time, and we'll only hear of the brigadier if things go wrong and he becomes the convenient person to blame. Or am I being too cynical? KW On We -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Jan 29 10:38:07 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 16:38:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?2038_and_d=C3=A9j=C3=A0_vue?= Message-ID: <262F24AC-C859-4B9D-82A8-2B0181D8B2B8@mac.com> Apparently, since computer systems determine date and time by counting seconds elapsed since 1st January 1970, on 19th January, 2038, that number will exceed the capacity of 32 bit systems to measure, so the world will end for the unenlightened. Mike G > On 29 Jan 2021, at 09:28, Nick Rodger wrote: > > What is the significance of 17 Jan 2038?yrrent > > Nick Rodger > Cameraman > 07971 007578 > nickrodger at mac.com > > Sent from my iPhone. > Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! > > Don?t blame me!! > I voted Remain ?? > > > > > > > > > On 29 Jan 2021, at 09:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Am I the only one not to have heard before today about the impending doom for computerised systems on 17th January 2038? The years leading up to planes falling from the sky at the stroke of the millennium midnight seemed to drag on forever, whereas the time since 2000 has flown. > > Indeed, shall I even see 2038, let alone be in a position to compare the passage of time before and after the event - an event horizon which I certainly hope to be able to see beyond! > > Supplementary question - the beginning of my last sentence called for a question mark, but by the time I?d finished it seemed inappropriate - am I right to leave it out? Splitting it into two sentences is an option, but that changes the flow. > > Second supplementary - should I get out more? > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Fri Jan 29 11:12:11 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Having spoken to my man at Fr24, they have stopped advertising blocking, mainly because the others, (such as Plane Finder I guess,) have also stopped offering it. He says some militaries request blocking, but the RAF generally don?t ask for hiding. They carry adsb transponders but have control themselves whether to transmit or not which would depend on various factors such as the airspace they are operating in or perhaps other unspecified circumstances! Joe says he has often watched dogfights in the valleys. A formation team would usually just have the flight leader transmitting. The police carry adsb but it?s usually switched off! Basically self isolating. I believe a few private individuals have previously asked for blocking but there may be less of it from now on? Another thing you may have noticed in the last couple of years is that Transatlantic (and Pacific) flights are now satellite tracked in real time and appear in blue. Peter Fox On 28 Jan 2021, at 18:19, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Bernard, Yes I prefer Plane Finder, which uses ADB-S receivers and it shows military flights that are using a recognised civilian code and gives the serial and callsign in the ID 'tag' You can only easily see the callsign on those military flights that Flight Radar 24 does show, and you are correct that it must be censoring some military aircraft. However, I can bring up details of previous flight on FR24. So could see that a Brize Norton based Voyager had been operating out of the Falkland Islands 'Mount Pleasant' airport for a month, as it came over my house heading back to Brize recently. I have the Pro versions of both, and can't now remember what gets omitted in the free versions. DT Get BlueMail for Android On 28 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two captures, one from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few seconds apart. > > > > B > > > > > On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an aviation enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at Lakenheath and Mildenhall when I was 12. >> In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my teenage years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those days you had to 'wait around' in the hope that something interesting would arrive. It usually did as Changi was a wonderfal place for visiting planes. >> A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the Flying Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an airband radio to add an additional element to the videos. >> >> Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like this morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave Brize Norton just after 9am and start threading it's way at low level across mid-Wales, out to sea then turn back across South Wales and into Somerset. At that point I knew it was 'heading my way'. That's because, where I live in very rural Dorset, we are on one of the military 'low flying zones' and the Brize Norton C-130's and A400's use the route past my house on a regular basis. Indeed this particular C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just had to stand in a west facing bedroom at the right time to see him roar past, right on cue. >> Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 feet but they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it always seems so much lower! >> >> I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is great as it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate planes and also 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. >> It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter Typhoons and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting things like say a French F-16 making an incursion into East Anglia....to be chased out by a pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' from Brize flying a 'race track' circuit out to sea whilst a jet refuels. >> The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath jets don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the routes back to their home bases. >> >> I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late '50's and surely it has been the greatest aviation success story...well since the C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. >> >> My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at www.davidtaylorimages/aviation and the video's from Flying Legends, and particularly the my sequence of a P-51 Mustang accident at Duxford- 'Loss of Big Beautiful Doll' https://vimeo.com/26291756 along with other videos on Vimeo. >> >> Dave T >> Nr Bridport Dorset >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Fri Jan 29 11:17:18 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:17:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <2B9FFFB8-D769-4A12-BA48-98AB2DC64EEE@zero51.force9.co.uk> ?Its just a scratch? Peter Fox On 29 Jan 2021, at 16:33, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? Peoples? experiences do seem to vary, inevitable I guess given the scale of the undertaking. Here in Somerset we had one of the first mass vaccination centres set up at Taunton Racecourse and I had a letter offering an appointment there. Online process was very straightforward and quickly accomplished. It was mandatory to book 1st & 2nd jabs at the same time which were on a 12 week interval, nothing quicker available. My dates were to be Jan 27th & Apr 15th. Two days before my first appointment I had a ?phone call from our local health centre in Crewkerne offering an appointment on Jan 29th. Ten minute drive within a Covid rolling rate area currently at 113 against a 30 mile round trip to a location with a rate at 610. I don?t like messing people about but the local set up assured me there was nothing to worry about in that regard so I switched. Online cancellation for Taunton Racecourse again very simple. You?re not told in advance but the mass centre would I understand have been using Pfizer, whereas word on the street was that the smaller local centre probably wouldn?t have the necessary low storage temperature capability and would be using Astra Zeneca. Wrong ? it too was Pfizer as at 1.30 pm today. By contrast no arrangement for the 2nd jab was possible which perhaps leaves the possibility it may be a shorter interval more in line with the Pfizer recommendation. I have spoken to at least half a dozen people who have been through exactly the same process which makes me wonder just who does finish up using the major centre. At the zero + 3 hour mark I feel fine. After all, it?s only 1/3 of a ml, not quite a Hancock?s ?half an arm full?. Dave Newbitt. From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:05 AM To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab Many thanks for your detailed response. No parking facilities here now as, some time ago, the council allowed building over their car park. And no tea or coffee offered. I had the Pfizer vaccine. Otherwise, we appear to have been treated in a similar, effective fashion. So far, so good. Let's see if we get the second dose within a reasonable time. There appears to be some confusion about this. I accepted what one doctor said about the protection being slightly reduced if the time between injections was extended, but more people would be covered quickly, so it was a good strategy. But, last night, another person said that this was not recommended. These statements are not mutually exclusive but the first statement was based on guesswork and that should have been made clear. Also, there seems to be similar confusion about mixing vaccines. However, our current approach may be the best we can do in the necessary rush to inoculate. KW On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 09:03, Alan Taylor wrote: > There seems to be various ways these vaccination centres are organised. I have no info about who organises the massive operations at stadia and similar places, but the smaller ones are organised by NHS surgeries themselves, often in cooperation with other local surgeries. I was told about it by one of the surgery staff who helped set it up. > > The one I?m going to is run by three surgeries who have been able to use a community centre which would otherwise be idle. They have had advice from national and regional management. The people doing the medical jobs ( jabs and checks ) are experienced in those tasks, either our doctors or nurses and they are manning it in turns so that patients will see familiar faces, but the next day all the patients and medical staff will be from a different surgery, with each one running it one day in three. The people supporting them are mostly volunteers with a few staff from the practice dealing with the official records, overseeing it all to make sure it?s done properly and to deal with any issues. > > The one here uses the local Lions club to marshal cars into and out of the very limited car parking space. We are advised not to arrive by car more than ten minutes early and that they excpect to run quite accurately to time. I was somewhat surprised by the precision of my appointment, 13:51 this coming Saturday. They even have a holding car park at a nearby office block. If you arrive early and parking spaces are tight, you will be redirected to the holding car park and somebody there will let you know when to return. If the car park fills up, any drivers waiting to collect people may be asked to go to the holding park and will be cued to return just in time for that patient to emerge from the ten minute observation period. They offer tea and coffee in the holding car park and have WC facilities too. > > The helpers inside the centre are mostly volunteers. Ideally they want to use people who have already been CRB checked, so they are using a lot of people who normally volunteer at the hospitals and other places. Volunteer car drivers are acting as taxis for those who can?t get there. Those drivers get paid a small mileage rate. > > Signage has been printed and donated by local companies. Cones, barriers, gazebos and all sorts of other hardware has been lent by businesses. > > I was told that the idea of mass vaccination had been discussed long ago, but no detailed plans had emerged. The Pfizer vaccine needs cryogenic storage and is only suitable for large operations dealing with >500 people per day, preferably thousands. The availability of the AZ vaccine with its simpler storage requirements made smaller scale local centres possible. This particular operation was set up very rapidly once it became clear that supplies would definitely be available. Local businesses were very keen to help in any way they can and there was no shortage of individuals offering to volunteer. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 28 Jan 2021, at 07:19, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ??? >> I wondered who had organised this effective inoculation system. Perhaps it was brigadier Phil Prosser. The prime minister had introduced him at a press conference as the person he had put in charge of the logistics involved in getting vaccines to those who need it. But I've not heard of him since then. Perhaps the government is happy to take the praise for getting vaccines done in time, and we'll only hear of the brigadier if things go wrong and he becomes the convenient person to blame. Or am I being too cynical? >> >> KW >> >> On We -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jan 29 11:36:43 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:36:43 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <2B9FFFB8-D769-4A12-BA48-98AB2DC64EEE@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2B9FFFB8-D769-4A12-BA48-98AB2DC64EEE@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <0D4B024231C4487A93C571C2AFA3D07B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I?m pleased I saw your screen grab after I?d had the jab, Peter ? doesn?t take much for my needle aversion to magnify into phobia! I see you have clairvoyant abilities as well; your response to my note arrived 5 minutes before the original message appeared in my inbox. Dave Newbitt. From: Peter Fox Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 5:17 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: Keith Wicks ; Alan Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab ?Its just a scratch? Peter Fox On 29 Jan 2021, at 16:33, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? Peoples? experiences do seem to vary, inevitable I guess given the scale of the undertaking. Here in Somerset we had one of the first mass vaccination centres set up at Taunton Racecourse and I had a letter offering an appointment there. Online process was very straightforward and quickly accomplished. It was mandatory to book 1st & 2nd jabs at the same time which were on a 12 week interval, nothing quicker available. My dates were to be Jan 27th & Apr 15th. Two days before my first appointment I had a ?phone call from our local health centre in Crewkerne offering an appointment on Jan 29th. Ten minute drive within a Covid rolling rate area currently at 113 against a 30 mile round trip to a location with a rate at 610. I don?t like messing people about but the local set up assured me there was nothing to worry about in that regard so I switched. Online cancellation for Taunton Racecourse again very simple. You?re not told in advance but the mass centre would I understand have been using Pfizer, whereas word on the street was that the smaller local centre probably wouldn?t have the necessary low storage temperature capability and would be using Astra Zeneca. Wrong ? it too was Pfizer as at 1.30 pm today. By contrast no arrangement for the 2nd jab was possible which perhaps leaves the possibility it may be a shorter interval more in line with the Pfizer recommendation. I have spoken to at least half a dozen people who have been through exactly the same process which makes me wonder just who does finish up using the major centre. At the zero + 3 hour mark I feel fine. After all, it?s only 1/3 of a ml, not quite a Hancock?s ?half an arm full?. Dave Newbitt. From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:05 AM To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab Many thanks for your detailed response. No parking facilities here now as, some time ago, the council allowed building over their car park. And no tea or coffee offered. I had the Pfizer vaccine. Otherwise, we appear to have been treated in a similar, effective fashion. So far, so good. Let's see if we get the second dose within a reasonable time. There appears to be some confusion about this. I accepted what one doctor said about the protection being slightly reduced if the time between injections was extended, but more people would be covered quickly, so it was a good strategy. But, last night, another person said that this was not recommended. These statements are not mutually exclusive but the first statement was based on guesswork and that should have been made clear. Also, there seems to be similar confusion about mixing vaccines. However, our current approach may be the best we can do in the necessary rush to inoculate. KW On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 09:03, Alan Taylor wrote: There seems to be various ways these vaccination centres are organised. I have no info about who organises the massive operations at stadia and similar places, but the smaller ones are organised by NHS surgeries themselves, often in cooperation with other local surgeries. I was told about it by one of the surgery staff who helped set it up. The one I?m going to is run by three surgeries who have been able to use a community centre which would otherwise be idle. They have had advice from national and regional management. The people doing the medical jobs ( jabs and checks ) are experienced in those tasks, either our doctors or nurses and they are manning it in turns so that patients will see familiar faces, but the next day all the patients and medical staff will be from a different surgery, with each one running it one day in three. The people supporting them are mostly volunteers with a few staff from the practice dealing with the official records, overseeing it all to make sure it?s done properly and to deal with any issues. The one here uses the local Lions club to marshal cars into and out of the very limited car parking space. We are advised not to arrive by car more than ten minutes early and that they excpect to run quite accurately to time. I was somewhat surprised by the precision of my appointment, 13:51 this coming Saturday. They even have a holding car park at a nearby office block. If you arrive early and parking spaces are tight, you will be redirected to the holding car park and somebody there will let you know when to return. If the car park fills up, any drivers waiting to collect people may be asked to go to the holding park and will be cued to return just in time for that patient to emerge from the ten minute observation period. They offer tea and coffee in the holding car park and have WC facilities too. The helpers inside the centre are mostly volunteers. Ideally they want to use people who have already been CRB checked, so they are using a lot of people who normally volunteer at the hospitals and other places. Volunteer car drivers are acting as taxis for those who can?t get there. Those drivers get paid a small mileage rate. Signage has been printed and donated by local companies. Cones, barriers, gazebos and all sorts of other hardware has been lent by businesses. I was told that the idea of mass vaccination had been discussed long ago, but no detailed plans had emerged. The Pfizer vaccine needs cryogenic storage and is only suitable for large operations dealing with >500 people per day, preferably thousands. The availability of the AZ vaccine with its simpler storage requirements made smaller scale local centres possible. This particular operation was set up very rapidly once it became clear that supplies would definitely be available. Local businesses were very keen to help in any way they can and there was no shortage of individuals offering to volunteer. Alan Taylor On 28 Jan 2021, at 07:19, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: ??? I wondered who had organised this effective inoculation system. Perhaps it was brigadier Phil Prosser. The prime minister had introduced him at a press conference as the person he had put in charge of the logistics involved in getting vaccines to those who need it. But I've not heard of him since then. Perhaps the government is happy to take the praise for getting vaccines done in time, and we'll only hear of the brigadier if things go wrong and he becomes the convenient person to blame. Or am I being too cynical? KW On We -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65497 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Fri Jan 29 12:46:23 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:46:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <0D4B024231C4487A93C571C2AFA3D07B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <0D4B024231C4487A93C571C2AFA3D07B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: He He! David. I believe the conflicts about efficacy comes from the fact that Pfizer/BioNTech was tested rigidly at a 3 week gap and so any other interval is a population level experiment, however noble the plan is to get more people a reasonable level of immunity. There?s no evidence to suggest that a longer gap would be deleterious. There is no evidence full stop. On the other hand the Astrazeneca vaccine was, perhaps inadvertantly, or due to logistics, delivered to some 18,000 ? people on the trial at more than 21 days between doses and even at a half strength dose in a some cases, with the serendipitous result that the longer gap appears to deliver better immunity than the intended three weeks. In other words a typical British/Swedish bodge up that turned out rather well. Also for good safety reasons only about 8% of testees were suitably aged and that?s what the German press incorrectly picked up on, it wasn?t only 8% effective. In fact it seems to be rather good for oldies and allegedly close to 100%. The snag is that someone here got the bright idea of extending the gap for everybody and all the vaccines. Sorry, the Grail quote was a bit wrong: ?Tis but a scratch? Peter Fox On 29 Jan 2021, at 17:37, David Newbitt wrote: ? I?m pleased I saw your screen grab after I?d had the jab, Peter ? doesn?t take much for my needle aversion to magnify into phobia! I see you have clairvoyant abilities as well; your response to my note arrived 5 minutes before the original message appeared in my inbox. Dave Newbitt. From: Peter Fox Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 5:17 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: Keith Wicks ; Alan Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab ?Its just a scratch? Peter Fox On 29 Jan 2021, at 16:33, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? Peoples? experiences do seem to vary, inevitable I guess given the scale of the undertaking. Here in Somerset we had one of the first mass vaccination centres set up at Taunton Racecourse and I had a letter offering an appointment there. Online process was very straightforward and quickly accomplished. It was mandatory to book 1st & 2nd jabs at the same time which were on a 12 week interval, nothing quicker available. My dates were to be Jan 27th & Apr 15th. Two days before my first appointment I had a ?phone call from our local health centre in Crewkerne offering an appointment on Jan 29th. Ten minute drive within a Covid rolling rate area currently at 113 against a 30 mile round trip to a location with a rate at 610. I don?t like messing people about but the local set up assured me there was nothing to worry about in that regard so I switched. Online cancellation for Taunton Racecourse again very simple. You?re not told in advance but the mass centre would I understand have been using Pfizer, whereas word on the street was that the smaller local centre probably wouldn?t have the necessary low storage temperature capability and would be using Astra Zeneca. Wrong ? it too was Pfizer as at 1.30 pm today. By contrast no arrangement for the 2nd jab was possible which perhaps leaves the possibility it may be a shorter interval more in line with the Pfizer recommendation. I have spoken to at least half a dozen people who have been through exactly the same process which makes me wonder just who does finish up using the major centre. At the zero + 3 hour mark I feel fine. After all, it?s only 1/3 of a ml, not quite a Hancock?s ?half an arm full?. Dave Newbitt. From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:05 AM To: Alan Taylor ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab Many thanks for your detailed response. No parking facilities here now as, some time ago, the council allowed building over their car park. And no tea or coffee offered. I had the Pfizer vaccine. Otherwise, we appear to have been treated in a similar, effective fashion. So far, so good. Let's see if we get the second dose within a reasonable time. There appears to be some confusion about this. I accepted what one doctor said about the protection being slightly reduced if the time between injections was extended, but more people would be covered quickly, so it was a good strategy. But, last night, another person said that this was not recommended. These statements are not mutually exclusive but the first statement was based on guesswork and that should have been made clear. Also, there seems to be similar confusion about mixing vaccines. However, our current approach may be the best we can do in the necessary rush to inoculate. KW On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 09:03, Alan Taylor wrote: > There seems to be various ways these vaccination centres are organised. I have no info about who organises the massive operations at stadia and similar places, but the smaller ones are organised by NHS surgeries themselves, often in cooperation with other local surgeries. I was told about it by one of the surgery staff who helped set it up. > > The one I?m going to is run by three surgeries who have been able to use a community centre which would otherwise be idle. They have had advice from national and regional management. The people doing the medical jobs ( jabs and checks ) are experienced in those tasks, either our doctors or nurses and they are manning it in turns so that patients will see familiar faces, but the next day all the patients and medical staff will be from a different surgery, with each one running it one day in three. The people supporting them are mostly volunteers with a few staff from the practice dealing with the official records, overseeing it all to make sure it?s done properly and to deal with any issues. > > The one here uses the local Lions club to marshal cars into and out of the very limited car parking space. We are advised not to arrive by car more than ten minutes early and that they excpect to run quite accurately to time. I was somewhat surprised by the precision of my appointment, 13:51 this coming Saturday. They even have a holding car park at a nearby office block. If you arrive early and parking spaces are tight, you will be redirected to the holding car park and somebody there will let you know when to return. If the car park fills up, any drivers waiting to collect people may be asked to go to the holding park and will be cued to return just in time for that patient to emerge from the ten minute observation period. They offer tea and coffee in the holding car park and have WC facilities too. > > The helpers inside the centre are mostly volunteers. Ideally they want to use people who have already been CRB checked, so they are using a lot of people who normally volunteer at the hospitals and other places. Volunteer car drivers are acting as taxis for those who can?t get there. Those drivers get paid a small mileage rate. > > Signage has been printed and donated by local companies. Cones, barriers, gazebos and all sorts of other hardware has been lent by businesses. > > I was told that the idea of mass vaccination had been discussed long ago, but no detailed plans had emerged. The Pfizer vaccine needs cryogenic storage and is only suitable for large operations dealing with >500 people per day, preferably thousands. The availability of the AZ vaccine with its simpler storage requirements made smaller scale local centres possible. This particular operation was set up very rapidly once it became clear that supplies would definitely be available. Local businesses were very keen to help in any way they can and there was no shortage of individuals offering to volunteer. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 28 Jan 2021, at 07:19, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ??? >> I wondered who had organised this effective inoculation system. Perhaps it was brigadier Phil Prosser. The prime minister had introduced him at a press conference as the person he had put in charge of the logistics involved in getting vaccines to those who need it. But I've not heard of him since then. Perhaps the government is happy to take the praise for getting vaccines done in time, and we'll only hear of the brigadier if things go wrong and he becomes the convenient person to blame. Or am I being too cynical? >> >> KW >> >> On We -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 29 13:22:46 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:22:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Away from Covid Message-ID: <60146086.1c69fb81.dc64d.3c1c@mx.google.com> Here?s a different topic: Does he take Sugar? This was the title of a series that was transmitted several years ago, but it came to roost with me before that. Some of you know that I made an 8mm film of the Black & White Minstrels in colour, long before we had colour TV. I got called into H.T.O.Tel S. and asked (!) if I would make a documentary for the Guildford branch of the Red Cross, to show generous supporters where their money went. As it would be impractical to conduct the high donatees around, a film was the next best thing. In fact, it took a year to shoot, as different operations took place at different times. It opened my eyes as I had no idea of the scope of what the Red Cross undertook. One sequence remains in my memory ? this involved a coach trip to the seaside with young carers looking after disabled young adults. One such guy was very interested in the filming and my job, so crouching down to his wheelchair to be on his eye level, I had a long chat with him. I had to ask: ?What is it that pisses you off most about being in a wheelchair?? His reply was that: ?Most people think I?m ga-ga. I can tell them if I want a piece of cake, but they always ask my carer?. I rest my case. Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 29 13:29:27 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:29:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic Message-ID: <60146217.1c69fb81.1bb51.39a4@mx.google.com> Does he take Sugar? This was the title of a series that was transmitted several years ago, but it came to roost with me before that. Some of you know that I made an 8mm film of the Black & White Minstrels in colour, long before we had colour TV. I got called into H.T.O.Tel S. and asked (!) if I would make a documentary for the Guildford branch of the Red Cross, to show generous supporters where their money went. As it would be impractical to conduct the high givers around, a film was the next best thing. In fact, it took a year to shoot, as different operations took place at different times. It opened my eyes as I had no idea of the scope of what the Red Cross undertook. One sequence remains in my memory ? this involved a coach trip to the seaside with young carers looking after disabled young adults. One such guy was very interested in the filming and my job, so crouching down to his wheelchair to be on his eye level, I had a long chat with him. I had to ask: ?What is it that pisses you off most about being in a wheelchair?? His reply was that: ?Most people think I?m ga-ga. I can tell them if I want a piece of cake, but they always ask my carer?. I rest my case. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 29 14:48:35 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:48:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <60146217.1c69fb81.1bb51.39a4@mx.google.com> References: <60146217.1c69fb81.1bb51.39a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I think DHTS was a radio programme, but most of the regulars on it also used to work on TV shows made by the BBC Disability Unit in the 1990s. I used to do a lot of those shows and they were always great people to work with. Peter White is totally blind and when in unfamiliar places, one of us would offer an arm for him to take and guide him to wherever we were needed. On one of those occasions he and I were in a very long subterranean corridor in what used to be called Wembley Pool when the power failed and we were plunged into total darkness. I explained the problem to Peter who insisted that I grabbed his arm and with his white stick, he guided me at quite a rapid pace exactly to where we had started from. A different blind contributor told us how he needed to go to an unfamiliar town, but knew that the office he needed to go to was adjacent to W H Smith and not far from the station. He got off the train with his guide dog and asked a passer by to give directions to the shop. The guy kneeled down and addressed the dog ?walk along here, turn left at the Post Office and take the road opposite Pizza Express. W H Smith is just round that corner?. The blind guy was a bit taken aback but said to the guy ?I?m afraid Rover can?t speak English, but he would like to thank you for being so helpful?. I did on of those shows from a small studio with a deaf presenter. Out of habit we would press the talkback key to converse through the glass, but he pointed out that so long as we waived and caught his attention, there was no need to press the key, lip reading works perfectly through double glazing. Finally, I loved the story about The Queen and Prince Phillip visiting a famous school near Newbury for profoundly deaf children. Everybody was in the hall, the royals came in and sat on the stage. Prince Phillip glanced at the Queen and quietly said something to her, but the entire school burst out laughing. He overlooked the fact that they all lip read and spotted him saying ?Don?t just sit there like a miserable cabbage?. Alan Taylor > On 29 Jan 2021, at 19:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Does he take Sugar? > This was the title of a series that was transmitted several years ago, but it came to roost with me before that. > Some of you know that I made an 8mm film of the Black & White Minstrels in colour, long before > we had colour TV. > I got called into H.T.O.Tel S. and asked (!) if I would make a documentary for the Guildford branch of the Red Cross, to show generous supporters where their money went. As it would be impractical to conduct the high givers around, a film was the next best thing. > In fact, it took a year to shoot, as different operations took place at different times. It opened my eyes as I had no idea of the scope of what the Red Cross undertook. > One sequence remains in my memory ? this involved a coach trip to the seaside with young carers looking after disabled young adults. One such guy was very interested in the filming and my job, so crouching down to his wheelchair to be on his eye level, I had a long chat with him. I had to ask: > ?What is it that pisses you off most about being in a wheelchair?? His reply was that: ?Most people think I?m ga-ga. I can tell them if I want a piece of cake, but they always ask my carer?. > I rest my case. > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Jan 29 14:53:49 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:53:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: <0D4B024231C4487A93C571C2AFA3D07B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <-bKMPF66pm4WR_vBOw4sO93mJhInaGyTlgmcHL7QBgddJDYF0fDq30OM2w1LMh2ebKIBaJIxP9UlnV1csXriyon2XpC9kgNzkR2siMocW7g=@protonmail.com> Heather & I have just had ours today at our local surgery, very well organised and efficient, in and out in 5 minutes each - just don't drive for 15 minutes afterwards they said. It was the AstraZenica vaccine, and we were told to expect a second dose in approx 12 weeks. Speaking to our friends in Berkshire who had theirs today at the Newbury race course, they were guided around to where they had to get the jab, and it all went well. Now they have an in-law who is part of the AstraZenica development team who told them that the German assertions are a heap of BS, since during their testing regime, the vaccine was effective across the whole age range of adults. So, we seem to have arrived at a supposed political impasse (gosh, that's French!) where the UK ordered 100m doses of a vaccine (for an adult population of less than 50m) 3 months before the EU, who then ordered 40m for an adult population of 440m-ish. They then didn't authorise its use for over a month after the UK. AstraZenica had sub-contracted EU production of the vaccine to two centres in the EU, one of which found it had batch problems over a week ago when they were finally told that the EU was going to authorise its use before the end of January. Lots of political posturing and shouting about contracts of supply to the EU, etc. followed. So, I calculate on a pro rata basis, we could send them a dozen vials from UK production during February to make up the shortfall. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jan 29 14:59:01 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:59:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: <60146217.1c69fb81.1bb51.39a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I did a story with the disabilty unit about a round the world sailor who was profoundly deaf. We went out on to the Solent to meet the boat and film them coming in to Southampton. His mother was with us and we ended up doing a boat to boat interview between her and her son completely in sign language. Slightly puzzled recordist wondering what he was supposed to record! All the crew on that boat had some form of disabilty, the majority being ex-sevicemen with amputations. ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Jan 2021, at 20:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I think DHTS was a radio programme, but most of the regulars on it also used to work on TV shows made by the BBC Disability Unit in the 1990s. I used to do a lot of those shows and they were always great people to work with. > > Peter White is totally blind and when in unfamiliar places, one of us would offer an arm for him to take and guide him to wherever we were needed. On one of those occasions he and I were in a very long subterranean corridor in what used to be called Wembley Pool when the power failed and we were plunged into total darkness. I explained the problem to Peter who insisted that I grabbed his arm and with his white stick, he guided me at quite a rapid pace exactly to where we had started from. > > A different blind contributor told us how he needed to go to an unfamiliar town, but knew that the office he needed to go to was adjacent to W H Smith and not far from the station. He got off the train with his guide dog and asked a passer by to give directions to the shop. The guy kneeled down and addressed the dog ?walk along here, turn left at the Post Office and take the road opposite Pizza Express. W H Smith is just round that corner?. The blind guy was a bit taken aback but said to the guy ?I?m afraid Rover can?t speak English, but he would like to thank you for being so helpful?. > > I did on of those shows from a small studio with a deaf presenter. Out of habit we would press the talkback key to converse through the glass, but he pointed out that so long as we waived and caught his attention, there was no need to press the key, lip reading works perfectly through double glazing. > > Finally, I loved the story about The Queen and Prince Phillip visiting a famous school near Newbury for profoundly deaf children. Everybody was in the hall, the royals came in and sat on the stage. Prince Phillip glanced at the Queen and quietly said something to her, but the entire school burst out laughing. He overlooked the fact that they all lip read and spotted him saying ?Don?t just sit there like a miserable cabbage?. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 29 Jan 2021, at 19:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Does he take Sugar? >> This was the title of a series that was transmitted several years ago, but it came to roost with me before that. >> Some of you know that I made an 8mm film of the Black & White Minstrels in colour, long before >> we had colour TV. >> I got called into H.T.O.Tel S. and asked (!) if I would make a documentary for the Guildford branch of the Red Cross, to show generous supporters where their money went. As it would be impractical to conduct the high givers around, a film was the next best thing. >> In fact, it took a year to shoot, as different operations took place at different times. It opened my eyes as I had no idea of the scope of what the Red Cross undertook. >> One sequence remains in my memory ? this involved a coach trip to the seaside with young carers looking after disabled young adults. One such guy was very interested in the filming and my job, so crouching down to his wheelchair to be on his eye level, I had a long chat with him. I had to ask: >> ?What is it that pisses you off most about being in a wheelchair?? His reply was that: ?Most people think I?m ga-ga. I can tell them if I want a piece of cake, but they always ask my carer?. >> I rest my case. >> >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jan 29 15:06:31 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:06:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EF82DDC-A9C4-4EFC-A7DB-762A69CDD3F6@me.com> At a school for deaf children in north London, we were filming the kids getting into school buses. The kids were excitedly chatting in sign language as they approached the bus. If kids had to take different buses, they would take window seats and continue chatting until one of the buses drove away. The deaf school in Newbury didn?t encourage signing. They reckoned that as most of the population don?t sign, sign language is rather niche and it?s much better to learn fluent lip reading instead. Alan Taylor > On 29 Jan 2021, at 20:59, Graeme Wall wrote: > > ?I did a story with the disabilty unit about a round the world sailor who was profoundly deaf. We went out on to the Solent to meet the boat and film them coming in to Southampton. His mother was with us and we ended up doing a boat to boat interview between her and her son completely in sign language. Slightly puzzled recordist wondering what he was supposed to record! > > All the crew on that boat had some form of disabilty, the majority being ex-sevicemen with amputations. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 29 Jan 2021, at 20:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I think DHTS was a radio programme, but most of the regulars on it also used to work on TV shows made by the BBC Disability Unit in the 1990s. I used to do a lot of those shows and they were always great people to work with. >> >> Peter White is totally blind and when in unfamiliar places, one of us would offer an arm for him to take and guide him to wherever we were needed. On one of those occasions he and I were in a very long subterranean corridor in what used to be called Wembley Pool when the power failed and we were plunged into total darkness. I explained the problem to Peter who insisted that I grabbed his arm and with his white stick, he guided me at quite a rapid pace exactly to where we had started from. >> >> A different blind contributor told us how he needed to go to an unfamiliar town, but knew that the office he needed to go to was adjacent to W H Smith and not far from the station. He got off the train with his guide dog and asked a passer by to give directions to the shop. The guy kneeled down and addressed the dog ?walk along here, turn left at the Post Office and take the road opposite Pizza Express. W H Smith is just round that corner?. The blind guy was a bit taken aback but said to the guy ?I?m afraid Rover can?t speak English, but he would like to thank you for being so helpful?. >> >> I did on of those shows from a small studio with a deaf presenter. Out of habit we would press the talkback key to converse through the glass, but he pointed out that so long as we waived and caught his attention, there was no need to press the key, lip reading works perfectly through double glazing. >> >> Finally, I loved the story about The Queen and Prince Phillip visiting a famous school near Newbury for profoundly deaf children. Everybody was in the hall, the royals came in and sat on the stage. Prince Phillip glanced at the Queen and quietly said something to her, but the entire school burst out laughing. He overlooked the fact that they all lip read and spotted him saying ?Don?t just sit there like a miserable cabbage?. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 29 Jan 2021, at 19:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Does he take Sugar? >>> This was the title of a series that was transmitted several years ago, but it came to roost with me before that. >>> Some of you know that I made an 8mm film of the Black & White Minstrels in colour, long before >>> we had colour TV. >>> I got called into H.T.O.Tel S. and asked (!) if I would make a documentary for the Guildford branch of the Red Cross, to show generous supporters where their money went. As it would be impractical to conduct the high givers around, a film was the next best thing. >>> In fact, it took a year to shoot, as different operations took place at different times. It opened my eyes as I had no idea of the scope of what the Red Cross undertook. >>> One sequence remains in my memory ? this involved a coach trip to the seaside with young carers looking after disabled young adults. One such guy was very interested in the filming and my job, so crouching down to his wheelchair to be on his eye level, I had a long chat with him. I had to ask: >>> ?What is it that pisses you off most about being in a wheelchair?? His reply was that: ?Most people think I?m ga-ga. I can tell them if I want a piece of cake, but they always ask my carer?. >>> I rest my case. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 29 16:33:43 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 22:33:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <8EF82DDC-A9C4-4EFC-A7DB-762A69CDD3F6@me.com> References: <8EF82DDC-A9C4-4EFC-A7DB-762A69CDD3F6@me.com> Message-ID: <60148d47.1c69fb81.a1d0.3549@mx.google.com> My other Guild wanted to raise funds for worthy causes ? they had to had some connection with Sound. We managed to raise enough for a training run/kennel for Hearing Dogs for Deaf People (contact me if you wish to know more). After that, the Ovingdean School for Deaf Children wanted a text display system for their auditorium, which we did with two plasma screens and a programme written by one of our council members ? quite similar to autocue. The kids were marvellous, very astute, keen and educated, some of the time on a one-to-one basis. They put on a version of Romeo & Juliet, to which several of us attended, and come the romantic scene, they switched just to signing. It was so moving, that we were all in tears. Sadly the school closed, as the Local Education authorities removed the funding to send the pupils on a weekly boarding basis. So short sighted, and mean. However the equipment was salvaged and sent to another similar school. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 29 January 2021 21:06 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic At a school for deaf children in north London, we were filming the kids getting into school buses. The kids were excitedly chatting in sign language as they approached the bus. If kids had to take different buses, they would take window seats and continue chatting until one of the buses drove away. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jan 29 17:11:53 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 23:11:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] School for Deaf Children Message-ID: <60149638.1c69fb81.64d2b.2999@mx.google.com> My other Guild wanted to raise funds for worthy causes ? they had to had some connection with Sound. We managed to raise enough for a training run/kennel for Hearing Dogs for Deaf People (contact me if you wish to know more). After that, the Ovingdean School for Deaf Children wanted a text display system for their auditorium, which we did with two plasma screens and a programme written by one of our council members ? quite similar to autocue. The kids were marvellous, very astute, keen and educated, some of the time on a one-to-one basis. They put on a version of Romeo & Juliet, to which several of us attended, and come the romantic scene, they switched just to signing. It was so moving, that we were all in tears. Sadly the school closed, as the Local Education authorities removed the funding to send the pupils on a weekly boarding basis. So short sighted, and mean. However the equipment was salvaged and sent to another similar school. 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I recently found a lovely video of a Welsh boy soprano singing 'Suo Gan', the purity of the sound is beautiful and I think that a girls voice would be very different. His name is Cai Thomas and you can 'Google' it to listen, he is also very good looking so he should go far! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 29 17:48:18 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 23:48:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] This news group Message-ID: My inbox tells me that I have 161 unread e-mails! It's all your fault that I have now got to spend valuable time to read and delete them! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 29 18:21:29 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 00:21:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: <60146217.1c69fb81.1bb51.39a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5a65a052-277e-99ee-de1f-4f3c11745988@btinternet.com> On the subject of disability programs I regret to say the my first sound screen credit was for a program called 'See Hear' a program for the deaf in the Cambridge area! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Jan 29 18:42:01 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 00:42:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <90FA4AD5-D1D9-4123-BAF0-6D8A212BD543@me.com> <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <58f6ac5853davesound@btinternet.com> In article <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > You?re not told in advance but the mass centre would I understand have > been using Pfizer, whereas word on the street was that the smaller local > centre probably wouldn?t have the necessary low storage temperature > capability and would be using Astra Zeneca. Wrong ? it too was Pfizer as > at 1.30 pm today. As I understand it, they can take a day's supply out of the ultra low temperature storage and just keep refrigerated. But it can't be deep frozen again, so any not used there and then is wasted. I'm in constant touch with my local pals via a WhatsApp group. Only a small sample but those who were done first seem to have got the Pfizer. Slightly younger done this week, Oxford. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 29 19:23:08 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 01:23:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <58f6ac5853davesound@btinternet.com> References: <90FA4AD5-D1D9-4123-BAF0-6D8A212BD543@me.com> <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58f6ac5853davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4383c9fc-d9d8-f5d6-12e5-f27b212bf4a1@btinternet.com> My daughter who works for 'Mind' in Somerset has had her jab today in Yeovil Hospital arranged by her company as she has to do one-to-one interviews with the most vulnerable people on suicide watch etc. She was given the Pfizer jab and given a date for the second one! Cheers, Dave > In article <22708E0B371644D5856EF679A97585AF at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, > David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> You?re not told in advance but the mass centre would I understand have >> been using Pfizer, whereas word on the street was that the smaller local >> centre probably wouldn?t have the necessary low storage temperature >> capability and would be using Astra Zeneca. Wrong ? it too was Pfizer as >> at 1.30 pm today. > As I understand it, they can take a day's supply out of the ultra low > temperature storage and just keep refrigerated. But it can't be deep > frozen again, so any not used there and then is wasted. > > I'm in constant touch with my local pals via a WhatsApp group. Only a > small sample but those who were done first seem to have got the Pfizer. > Slightly younger done this week, Oxford. > From nick at nickway.co.uk Sat Jan 30 01:10:39 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:10:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: <60146217.1c69fb81.1bb51.39a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1461980770.64629.1611990639844@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 30 01:43:19 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:43:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <1461980770.64629.1611990639844@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <1461980770.64629.1611990639844@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <645712E9-6BAE-4604-9673-9AACC227E7E0@mac.com> And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed. Mike G > On 30 Jan 2021, at 07:11, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ...great stories Alan. Thanks. Made me smile. > > Years back in a studio at Telly Centre working on "See Hear" I think it was called, a joke was told, by signing, across the studio. It certainly wouldn't have been heard at that distance. > > Perhaps disadvantages in the majority's frames of reference but advantages in others. > > I still believe we have evolved with a proportion of us being dyslexic to solve problems for the rest of us. I used to tell my students that it was an advantage in areas of our industry. > > In fact, I would love to watch again Farther and Sun: A Dyslexic Road Trip but it's unavailable on iPlayer. I contacted the Exec Producer, only this morning, on Linkedin. Let's see what happens... > > Keep safe everyone... > > Nick WAY >> On 29/01/2021 20:48 Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> I think DHTS was a radio programme, but most of the regulars on it also used to work on TV shows made by the BBC Disability Unit in the 1990s. I used to do a lot of those shows and they were always great people to work with. >> >> Peter White is totally blind and when in unfamiliar places, one of us would offer an arm for him to take and guide him to wherever we were needed. On one of those occasions he and I were in a very long subterranean corridor in what used to be called Wembley Pool when the power failed and we were plunged into total darkness. I explained the problem to Peter who insisted that I grabbed his arm and with his white stick, he guided me at quite a rapid pace exactly to where we had started from. >> >> A different blind contributor told us how he needed to go to an unfamiliar town, but knew that the office he needed to go to was adjacent to W H Smith and not far from the station. He got off the train with his guide dog and asked a passer by to give directions to the shop. The guy kneeled down and addressed the dog ?walk along here, turn left at the Post Office and take the road opposite Pizza Express. W H Smith is just round that corner?. The blind guy was a bit taken aback but said to the guy ?I?m afraid Rover can?t speak English, but he would like to thank you for being so helpful?. >> >> I did on of those shows from a small studio with a deaf presenter. Out of habit we would press the talkback key to converse through the glass, but he pointed out that so long as we waived and caught his attention, there was no need to press the key, lip reading works perfectly through double glazing. >> >> Finally, I loved the story about The Queen and Prince Phillip visiting a famous school near Newbury for profoundly deaf children. Everybody was in the hall, the royals came in and sat on the stage. Prince Phillip glanced at the Queen and quietly said something to her, but the entire school burst out laughing. He overlooked the fact that they all lip read and spotted him saying ?Don?t just sit there like a miserable cabbage?. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 29 Jan 2021, at 19:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> Does he take Sugar? >>> >>> This was the title of a series that was transmitted several years ago, but it came to roost with me before that. >>> >>> Some of you know that I made an 8mm film of the Black & White Minstrels in colour, long before >>> we had colour TV. >>> >>> I got called into H.T.O.Tel S. and asked (!) if I would make a documentary for the Guildford branch of the Red Cross, to show generous supporters where their money went. As it would be impractical to conduct the high givers around, a film was the next best thing. >>> >>> In fact, it took a year to shoot, as different operations took place at different times. It opened my eyes as I had no idea of the scope of what the Red Cross undertook. >>> >>> One sequence remains in my memory ? this involved a coach trip to the seaside with young carers looking after disabled young adults. One such guy was very interested in the filming and my job, so crouching down to his wheelchair to be on his eye level, I had a long chat with him. I had to ask: >>> >>> ?What is it that pisses you off most about being in a wheelchair?? His reply was that: ?Most people think I?m ga-ga. I can tell them if I want a piece of cake, but they always ask my carer?. >>> >>> I rest my case. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Sat Jan 30 01:59:28 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:59:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <5a65a052-277e-99ee-de1f-4f3c11745988@btinternet.com> References: <5a65a052-277e-99ee-de1f-4f3c11745988@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <028D438A-A457-478D-8A0B-3F17D6A3B21F@icloud.com> Back in the day when I ran a mobile disco I was asked to do a gig at a school for deaf children. Once I realised that it was a real booking and not one of my mates winding me up I made some additional enquiries and found that the children there loved their music and I would just need to have my speakers placed directly on the floor rather than on their normal stands. Even with all the travelling I?ve now done for work, it was one of the most emotionally rewarding nights of my life. The children had an amazing sense of rhythm and the joy was something to behold. It became a gig I did regularly even after I?d really stopped doing ?discos?. Graham Maunder Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Jan 2021, at 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > On the subject of disability programs I regret to say the my first sound screen credit was for a program called 'See Hear' a program for the deaf in the Cambridge area! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jan 30 09:11:36 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 15:11:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <9f9a5c3d-6293-001c-a786-64a4f0cc188d@metronet.co.uk> References: <9f9a5c3d-6293-001c-a786-64a4f0cc188d@metronet.co.uk> Message-ID: <25E659DF-66E3-42AD-A9DF-2FA43E78962F@mac.com> We were both Pfizered this morning at the Medwyn Centre in Dorking. We arrived over ten minutes early and were greeted in the car by a volunteer who wrote our appointment times on a piece of paper to put on the dashboard. He told us to park (free) as close as possible, then he or a colleague would come to collect us when it was time to go in. Despite the fact that he soon came over to tell us that our own surgery staff from the separate Dorking Medical Practice were delayed by ?administrative difficulties?, we were still ushered in ahead of time and had both been jabbed before the time of our first appointment. It was run like a military operation, with plenty of cheerful volunteers pointing the way, offering leaflets and wiping over the seats between occupants. We were asked to sit for fifteen minutes before leaving and were given cards with a record of our jabs. Others we have spoken to have been to other centres and have variously had to wait up to an hour, been unaware of which brand they?ve received, or given follow up appointments for 12 weeks hence. No suggestion of any future appointment date for us, but I shall set a reminder on my smart phone, Barry! My wife has a slight tender arm, but I can?t feel a thing. Mike G > On 30 Jan 2021, at 10:57, Christopher Pocock via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Our local surgery has been using Pfizer. My wife was a volunteer marshall looking after the long queue. At the end of the session they had 3 doses left. A quick phone call and 10 minutes later I received my 1st dose! > > I've since had 2 further offers - 1 from the surgery and the other by mail from NHS! > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 30 12:51:34 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:51:34 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid related notice Message-ID: <4C61ED9C0CB04219A52F03CD1789B584@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Impressed as I was by the professional medical expertise at our local vaccination centre, I have to say the level of English capability in evidence on the notice-board outside was less reassuring:- Over the years I?ve collected a few examples such as this one (several of them actually) which appeared on Minehead seafront at the start of summer 2009. They were all replaced with spelling corrected later that summer ? I wonder what that exercise cost? More recently I came across this one at Porthallow, Cornwall last year. I think it had been there some while and looked unlikely to be replaced. Can?t remember if this was an apocryphal story but years ago a meticulously crafted sculpture was graced with the carved lettering ? the money for this statue was raised entirely by pubic subscription?. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC_0058%20reduced[5].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 45568 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Minehead%20sea-front%20notice%20original[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 95144 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 30 January 2021 18:51 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Covid related notice Impressed as I was by the professional medical expertise at our local vaccination centre, I have to say the level of English capability in evidence on the notice-board outside was less reassuring:- ? ? ? ? ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC_0058%20reduced[5].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 45568 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Jan 30 14:01:59 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:01:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid related notice In-Reply-To: <4C61ED9C0CB04219A52F03CD1789B584@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <4C61ED9C0CB04219A52F03CD1789B584@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <6B86AA94-3B10-4850-AA15-BD51E2343218@icloud.com> Wasn?t ?by pubic subscription? the payoff to an Eric Sykes ?silent? movie? ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Jan 2021, at 18:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Impressed as I was by the professional medical expertise at our local vaccination centre, I have to say the level of English capability in evidence on the notice-board outside was less reassuring:- > > > > Over the years I?ve collected a few examples such as this one (several of them actually) which appeared on Minehead seafront at the start of summer 2009. They were all replaced with spelling corrected later that summer ? I wonder what that exercise cost? > > > > More recently I came across this one at Porthallow, Cornwall last year. I think it had been there some while and looked unlikely to be replaced. > > > > Can?t remember if this was an apocryphal story but years ago a meticulously crafted sculpture was graced with the carved lettering ? the money for this statue was raised entirely by pubic subscription?. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 30 17:35:52 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 23:35:52 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid related notice In-Reply-To: <6B86AA94-3B10-4850-AA15-BD51E2343218@icloud.com> References: <4C61ED9C0CB04219A52F03CD1789B584@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <6B86AA94-3B10-4850-AA15-BD51E2343218@icloud.com> Message-ID: <8F0D23AAF9A545C69ECD9C6BCF3B8388@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Isn't it great that though we're all forgetful there's generally someone who remembers the bit that one of us forgot! Thanks Graeme Dave N -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 8:01 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid related notice Wasn?t ?by pubic subscription? the payoff to an Eric Sykes ?silent? movie? ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Jan 2021, at 18:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > Impressed as I was by the professional medical expertise at our local > vaccination centre, I have to say the level of English capability in > evidence on the notice-board outside was less reassuring:- > > > > Over the years I?ve collected a few examples such as this one (several of > them actually) which appeared on Minehead seafront at the start of summer > 2009. They were all replaced with spelling corrected later that summer ? I > wonder what that exercise cost? > > > > More recently I came across this one at Porthallow, Cornwall last year. I > think it had been there some while and looked unlikely to be replaced. > > > > Can?t remember if this was an apocryphal story but years ago a > meticulously crafted sculpture was graced with the carved lettering ? the > money for this statue was raised entirely by pubic subscription?. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sun Jan 31 01:43:55 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 07:43:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <25E659DF-66E3-42AD-A9DF-2FA43E78962F@mac.com> References: <25E659DF-66E3-42AD-A9DF-2FA43E78962F@mac.com> Message-ID: AZ / Oxford jab for me yesterday. Virtually no queuing and as my wife was driving me, they didn?t insist I waited for ten minutes before leaving. I was in and out in less than five minutes. I recognised most of the people inside the hall as being staff from our surgery, which would probably be reassuring to anybody nervous about it. As for after effects, I was running a high temperature overnight, which probably showed that it?s doing it?s magic. This morning my temperature is back to just a touch above normal and no other ill effects. Incidentally, my wife caught Covid while working in hospital last November. She didn?t display any symptoms before a routine PCR test. They get tested every fortnight and once a month they have a blood antibody test too. They run two tests, the Abbot test gives a result a couple of days later and Oxford do a different test as well, with results coming back a couple of weeks later. When she had her first Abbot test after having had Covid, it reported no antibodies, which was excused by being too soon after the infection. The Oxford test revealed plenty of antibodies from a sample taken at the same time. She has recently had a second Abbot test which again reported no detectable antibodies and is waiting to get the result of the Oxford test. The Abbot test claims to be very sensitive, but doesn?t seem to be particularly reliable in her case. Alan Taylor > On 30 Jan 2021, at 15:12, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > >> Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Our local surgery has been using Pfizer. My wife was a volunteer marshall looking after the long queue. At the end of the session they had 3 doses left. A quick phone call and 10 minutes later I received my 1st dose! >> >> I've since had 2 further offers - 1 from the surgery and the other by mail from NHS! >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > Show Quoted Content >>> On 30 Jan 2021, at 10:57, Christopher Pocock via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Our local surgery has been using Pfizer. My wife was a volunteer marshall looking after the long queue. At the end of the session they had 3 doses left. A quick phone call and 10 minutes later I received my 1st dose! >>> >>> I've since had 2 further offers - 1 from the surgery and the other by mail from NHS! >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Jan 31 05:30:49 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:30:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Beat the boredom.... Message-ID: <8BC7F3C7-F8C0-4EF4-B972-7AA921C41BD5@me.com> We all need a bit of light relief from Covid restrictions... 'Rush up to a stranger in the street, then (from a 2metre distance) ask: "What year is it?" On hearing the answer, scream, "Oh my God, it Worked! Then run away.' (Courtesy of the Grauniad, and obviously intended for the yoof of today. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sun Jan 31 05:40:42 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:40:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <25E659DF-66E3-42AD-A9DF-2FA43E78962F@mac.com> References: <9f9a5c3d-6293-001c-a786-64a4f0cc188d@metronet.co.uk> <25E659DF-66E3-42AD-A9DF-2FA43E78962F@mac.com> Message-ID: <7A4C22FF-9CC7-4B7C-909E-617078A90887@btinternet.com> I think the highly sterilised vaccine centres have missed a trick they should have employed hairdressers to be the 15 minute post-jab minders then we could all have had a hair cut whilst we were waiting! I suppose, Mike, that at your age you need to be reminded and er? um... I?ve forgotten what else I was going to say! Barry. On 30 Jan 2021, at 15:11, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > We were both Pfizered this morning at the Medwyn Centre in Dorking. We arrived over ten minutes early and were greeted in the car by a volunteer who wrote our appointment times on a piece of paper to put on the dashboard. He told us to park (free) as close as possible, then he or a colleague would come to collect us when it was time to go in. Despite the fact that he soon came over to tell us that our own surgery staff from the separate Dorking Medical Practice were delayed by ?administrative difficulties?, we were still ushered in ahead of time and had both been jabbed before the time of our first appointment. It was run like a military operation, with plenty of cheerful volunteers pointing the way, offering leaflets and wiping over the seats between occupants. We were asked to sit for fifteen minutes before leaving and were given cards with a record of our jabs. Others we have spoken to have been to other centres and have variously had to wait up to an hour, been unaware of which brand they?ve received, or given follow up appointments for 12 weeks hence. No suggestion of any future appointment date for us, but I shall set a reminder on my smart phone, Barry! > > My wife has a slight tender arm, but I can?t feel a thing. > > Mike G > >> On 30 Jan 2021, at 10:57, Christopher Pocock via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Our local surgery has been using Pfizer. My wife was a volunteer marshall looking after the long queue. At the end of the session they had 3 doses left. A quick phone call and 10 minutes later I received my 1st dose! >> >> I've since had 2 further offers - 1 from the surgery and the other by mail from NHS! >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 31 05:43:28 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:43:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <7A4C22FF-9CC7-4B7C-909E-617078A90887@btinternet.com> References: <9f9a5c3d-6293-001c-a786-64a4f0cc188d@metronet.co.uk> <25E659DF-66E3-42AD-A9DF-2FA43E78962F@mac.com> <7A4C22FF-9CC7-4B7C-909E-617078A90887@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <601697df.1c69fb81.bf9da.d8f6@mx.google.com> What a brilliant idea, Barry! I?m beginning to look seriously shaggy! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 31 January 2021 11:40 To: Mike Giles Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab I think the highly sterilised vaccine centres have missed a trick they should have employed hairdressers to be the 15 minute post-jab minders then we could all have had a hair cut whilst we were waiting! I suppose, Mike, that at your age you need to be reminded and er? um... I?ve forgotten what else I was going to say! Barry. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jan 31 05:57:12 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:57:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Beat the boredom.... In-Reply-To: <8BC7F3C7-F8C0-4EF4-B972-7AA921C41BD5@me.com> References: <8BC7F3C7-F8C0-4EF4-B972-7AA921C41BD5@me.com> Message-ID: <60169b17.1c69fb81.77f2f.2178@mx.google.com> I confess to not understanding this, Alasdair! Unless the Tardis is lurking in the background? It?s seemingly very easy to spend money during lockdown, buying things via the Internet. BT Shop came in with an offer I couldn?t refuse ? a 55? Samsung Smart TV 4K HD for ?429. My existing 32? Sony cost me around ?1500 in 2005. I have a 22? Samsung on the bedside table, with which I am well pleased. Links wirelessly to the router for iPlayer and other Catch-Up channels. Now for some decent programmes to view ? well I?ve got all the Bond movies in BluRay, I suppose! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 31 January 2021 11:31 To: Tech Ops List Subject: [Tech1] Beat the boredom.... We all need a bit of light relief from Covid restrictions... 'Rush up to a stranger in the street, then (from a 2metre distance) ask: ?"What year is it?" On hearing the answer, scream, "Oh my God, it Worked! ?? Then run away.' (Courtesy of the Grauniad, and obviously intended for the yoof of today. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 31 10:33:09 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 16:33:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <601697df.1c69fb81.bf9da.d8f6@mx.google.com> References: <9f9a5c3d-6293-001c-a786-64a4f0cc188d@metronet.co.uk> <25E659DF-66E3-42AD-A9DF-2FA43E78962F@mac.com> <7A4C22FF-9CC7-4B7C-909E-617078A90887@btinternet.com>, <601697df.1c69fb81.bf9da.d8f6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Not sure Barry?s idea would work. You can?t get scissors with 2M long handles. Pat, did you know that if you look at your postcode in Google Earth Streetview, there?s a dodgy looking geezer outside your flat? Not stalking you - I was looking for a house that we viewed near you when we were house-hunting a couple of years ago. Apropos of nothing, but I?ve wondered for some time why the Billionaire Dyson hasn?t come up with a machine that you just put over your head, and you come out neatly groomed. Remote controlled from your smartphone, of course. Can?t be that difficult, can it? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Jan 2021, at 11:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? What a brilliant idea, Barry! I?m beginning to look seriously shaggy! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 31 January 2021 11:40 To: Mike Giles Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab I think the highly sterilised vaccine centres have missed a trick they should have employed hairdressers to be the 15 minute post-jab minders then we could all have had a hair cut whilst we were waiting! I suppose, Mike, that at your age you need to be reminded and er? um... I?ve forgotten what else I was going to say! Barry. ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Jan 31 10:38:47 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 16:38:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Long lens webcam. Message-ID: <58f787c70cdavesound@btinternet.com> Was at a Zoom meeting today, and one of the participants seemed to be using a long lens camera. He was as sharp as normal, but the background - the usual library shelves ;-) - was nicely soft. Looked rather good. I suppose you could use any camera you can get an output from? Didn't look like overlay - you can generally tell when they move. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 10:54:58 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 16:54:58 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Long lens webcam. In-Reply-To: <58f787c70cdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f787c70cdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <003101d6f7f1$cf54f9c0$6dfeed40$@gmail.com> A few of the higher end computer cameras like more expensive Logitech models come with software which enables you to soften the background in your head and shoulders shot -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 31 January 2021 16:39 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Long lens webcam. Was at a Zoom meeting today, and one of the participants seemed to be using a long lens camera. He was as sharp as normal, but the background - the usual library shelves ;-) - was nicely soft. Looked rather good. I suppose you could use any camera you can get an output from? Didn't look like overlay - you can generally tell when they move. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sun Jan 31 10:55:00 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 16:55:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: <9f9a5c3d-6293-001c-a786-64a4f0cc188d@metronet.co.uk> <25E659DF-66E3-42AD-A9DF-2FA43E78962F@mac.com> <7A4C22FF-9CC7-4B7C-909E-617078A90887@btinternet.com> <601697df.1c69fb81.bf9da.d8f6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 31/01/2021 16:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > .... > > Pat, did you know that if you look at your postcode in Google Earth > Streetview... M'dear! Streetview is so... common! One desires to live somewhere where the cameras never come;} > Apropos of nothing, but I?ve wondered for some time why the > Billionaire Dyson hasn?t come up with a machine that you just put over > your head, and you come out neatly groomed. .... The ears are the problem.... Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alanaudio at me.com Sun Jan 31 11:00:44 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:00:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Long lens webcam. In-Reply-To: <58f787c70cdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58f787c70cdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8969CAA7-ECFD-4C6A-AADC-BEDFF731C7EB@me.com> I know a guy who got a Raspberry PI camera which takes a ?c? type lens mount instead of a built in lens. He uses a number of different lenses and also a Canon to ?c? mount adaptor to make use of his collection of photographic lenses. I have heard of other people who plug a DSLR into their computer to use as a web cam, but I would assume that if you were to do that, you?d need some sort of mains PSU for the camera. A small corporate studio I visited achieved quite a pleasing effect by using large printed photographic backdrops of a conference room interior, but they were deliberately printed out of focus. They had three different background for different purposes. Alan Taylor > On 31 Jan 2021, at 16:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Was at a Zoom meeting today, and one of the participants seemed to be > using a long lens camera. He was as sharp as normal, but the background - > the usual library shelves ;-) - was nicely soft. Looked rather good. > > I suppose you could use any camera you can get an output from? > > Didn't look like overlay - you can generally tell when they move. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 31 11:22:15 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 17:22:15 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Long lens webcam. In-Reply-To: <8969CAA7-ECFD-4C6A-AADC-BEDFF731C7EB@me.com> References: <58f787c70cdavesound@btinternet.com> <8969CAA7-ECFD-4C6A-AADC-BEDFF731C7EB@me.com> Message-ID: <9F19612421A04673BD4C3B45BBB1B5BD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Sony recently introduced an app to enable this type of use with many of their cameras. List attached. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 5:00 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Long lens webcam. I know a guy who got a Raspberry PI camera which takes a ?c? type lens mount instead of a built in lens. He uses a number of different lenses and also a Canon to ?c? mount adaptor to make use of his collection of photographic lenses. I have heard of other people who plug a DSLR into their computer to use as a web cam, but I would assume that if you were to do that, you?d need some sort of mains PSU for the camera. A small corporate studio I visited achieved quite a pleasing effect by using large printed photographic backdrops of a conference room interior, but they were deliberately printed out of focus. They had three different background for different purposes. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And I was driving, but they didn't even ask.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 31/01/2021 07:43 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab AZ / Oxford jab for me yesterday. ?Virtually no queuing and as my wife was driving me, they didn?t insist I waited for ten minutes before leaving. ?I was in and out in less than five minutes.?-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 31 13:49:58 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 19:49:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They must all know by now that any kind of a reaction is highly unlikely. It?s a tiny amount of vaccine with a very fine needle and shallow injection. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Jan 2021, at 19:09, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: ? Just a quick comment on Alan's post: I had my vaccination on Thursday (at Plymouth Argyle's stadium, as it goes, and while it wasn't quite in and out in 5 minutes, very well organised) with the Oxford/AstraZenica jab, and I was told that the 15 minute sit-down wasn't necessary with that one. And I was driving, but they didn't even ask. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 31/01/2021 07:43 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab AZ / Oxford jab for me yesterday. Virtually no queuing and as my wife was driving me, they didn?t insist I waited for ten minutes before leaving. I was in and out in less than five minutes. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jan 31 14:34:43 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 20:34:43 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FF190F73D594736A9A9D2757EDB8C46@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Rare though it may be, if you?ve ever witnessed a case of anaphylactic shock you?d probably opt for the 10 minute wait ? its pretty terrifying. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:49 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab They must all know by now that any kind of a reaction is highly unlikely. It?s a tiny amount of vaccine with a very fine needle and shallow injection. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Jan 2021, at 19:09, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: ? Just a quick comment on Alan's post: I had my vaccination on Thursday (at Plymouth Argyle's stadium, as it goes, and while it wasn't quite in and out in 5 minutes, very well organised) with the Oxford/AstraZenica jab, and I was told that the 15 minute sit-down wasn't necessary with that one. And I was driving, but they didn't even ask. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 31/01/2021 07:43 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab AZ / Oxford jab for me yesterday. Virtually no queuing and as my wife was driving me, they didn?t insist I waited for ten minutes before leaving. I was in and out in less than five minutes. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 31 16:05:29 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 22:05:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: <4FF190F73D594736A9A9D2757EDB8C46@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: , <4FF190F73D594736A9A9D2757EDB8C46@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: We were trained for dealing with it on the Hostile Environment Course in my time working for CBS News. Pretty graphic simulation by medical experts. We each carried an Adrenaline injector wherever we went, athough thankfully never had to use them. Plus, travelling over a period of months, some of it in 1980?s Russia with a type 1 Diabetic sound assistant, I had to give him his jab on several occasions. I quickly learnt to recognise an imminent fitting attack. The worst moment being the occasion that his jab kit had gone into the hold of an Aeroflot aircraft, and we were kept waiting for two hours in the Warsaw airport departures lounge. And yes, I sat there for my 15 minute post jab observation period, as I would advise anyone to. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Jan 2021, at 20:34, David Newbitt wrote: ? Rare though it may be, if you?ve ever witnessed a case of anaphylactic shock you?d probably opt for the 10 minute wait ? its pretty terrifying. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:49 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab They must all know by now that any kind of a reaction is highly unlikely. It?s a tiny amount of vaccine with a very fine needle and shallow injection. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Jan 2021, at 19:09, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: ? Just a quick comment on Alan's post: I had my vaccination on Thursday (at Plymouth Argyle's stadium, as it goes, and while it wasn't quite in and out in 5 minutes, very well organised) with the Oxford/AstraZenica jab, and I was told that the 15 minute sit-down wasn't necessary with that one. And I was driving, but they didn't even ask. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 31/01/2021 07:43 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab AZ / Oxford jab for me yesterday. Virtually no queuing and as my wife was driving me, they didn?t insist I waited for ten minutes before leaving. I was in and out in less than five minutes. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ________________________________ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 31 17:14:05 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 23:14:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: <4FF190F73D594736A9A9D2757EDB8C46@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Having waited for 17 hours in a queue for the ferry at Zeebrugge many years ago, 15 minutes seems like the blink of an eye! Not only a 17 hour wait, but we ran out of petrol whilst waiting ~ this was pre-EU and credit cards were not often an option for fuel on the continent then, but we?d been booked to go from Calais, with easily enough to reach a petrol station in dear old Blighty, but because of a strike we were diverted from Calais at the last minute and didn?t pass a French filling station on our detour, for which we would have had enough cash, but we had no Belgian currency and so had to keep our fingers crossed ~ I never did trust superstitious gestures! Anyway, a kindly fellow caravanner in the queue, only three cars away from us, had a gerry can and would take no payment ~ he was probably just glad to get us moving so as not to block the road! I often wonder if I should write to the Rev. Richard Coles and ask him to give our thanks to this anonymous donor on the Radio 4 Saturday morning show, but it must be over 40 years ago. Mike G > On 31 Jan 2021, at 22:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > We were trained for dealing with it on the Hostile Environment Course in my time working for CBS News. Pretty graphic simulation by medical experts. We each carried an Adrenaline injector wherever we went, athough thankfully never had to use them. > Plus, travelling over a period of months, some of it in 1980?s Russia with a type 1 Diabetic sound assistant, I had to give him his jab on several occasions. I quickly learnt to recognise an imminent fitting attack. The worst moment being the occasion that his jab kit had gone into the hold of an Aeroflot aircraft, and we were kept waiting for two hours in the Warsaw airport departures lounge. > And yes, I sat there for my 15 minute post jab observation period, as I would advise anyone to. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 31 Jan 2021, at 20:34, David Newbitt wrote: >> >> ? >> Rare though it may be, if you?ve ever witnessed a case of anaphylactic shock you?d probably opt for the 10 minute wait ? its pretty terrifying. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 <> >> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:49 PM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab >> >> They must all know by now that any kind of a reaction is highly unlikely. It?s a tiny amount of vaccine with a very fine needle and shallow injection. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 31 Jan 2021, at 19:09, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Just a quick comment on Alan's post: >>> >>> I had my vaccination on Thursday (at Plymouth Argyle's stadium, as it goes, and while it wasn't quite in and out in 5 minutes, very well organised) with the Oxford/AstraZenica jab, and I was told that the 15 minute sit-down wasn't necessary with that one. And I was driving, but they didn't even ask. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Date: 31/01/2021 07:43 (GMT+00:00) >>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab >>> >>> AZ / Oxford jab for me yesterday. Virtually no queuing and as my wife was driving me, they didn?t insist I waited for ten minutes before leaving. I was in and out in less than five minutes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 31 17:19:17 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 23:19:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jab In-Reply-To: References: <4FF190F73D594736A9A9D2757EDB8C46@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <34676CDD-4616-49B4-A844-CB6173BBE8C7@mac.com> When I said pre-EU, of course I meant pre-Euro. Mike G > On 31 Jan 2021, at 23:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Having waited for 17 hours in a queue for the ferry at Zeebrugge many years ago, 15 minutes seems like the blink of an eye! Not only a 17 hour wait, but we ran out of petrol whilst waiting ~ this was pre-EU and credit cards were not often an option for fuel on the continent then, but we?d been booked to go from Calais, with easily enough to reach a petrol station in dear old Blighty, but because of a strike we were diverted from Calais at the last minute and didn?t pass a French filling station on our detour, for which we would have had enough cash, but we had no Belgian currency and so had to keep our fingers crossed ~ I never did trust superstitious gestures! Anyway, a kindly fellow caravanner in the queue, only three cars away from us, had a gerry can and would take no payment ~ he was probably just glad to get us moving so as not to block the road! I often wonder if I should write to the Rev. Richard Coles and ask him to give our thanks to this anonymous donor on the Radio 4 Saturday morning show, but it must be over 40 years ago. > > Mike G > > >> On 31 Jan 2021, at 22:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> We were trained for dealing with it on the Hostile Environment Course in my time working for CBS News. Pretty graphic simulation by medical experts. We each carried an Adrenaline injector wherever we went, athough thankfully never had to use them. >> Plus, travelling over a period of months, some of it in 1980?s Russia with a type 1 Diabetic sound assistant, I had to give him his jab on several occasions. I quickly learnt to recognise an imminent fitting attack. The worst moment being the occasion that his jab kit had gone into the hold of an Aeroflot aircraft, and we were kept waiting for two hours in the Warsaw airport departures lounge. >> And yes, I sat there for my 15 minute post jab observation period, as I would advise anyone to. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 31 Jan 2021, at 20:34, David Newbitt > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Rare though it may be, if you?ve ever witnessed a case of anaphylactic shock you?d probably opt for the 10 minute wait ? its pretty terrifying. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 <> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:49 PM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab >>> >>> They must all know by now that any kind of a reaction is highly unlikely. It?s a tiny amount of vaccine with a very fine needle and shallow injection. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 31 Jan 2021, at 19:09, vernon.dyer via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Just a quick comment on Alan's post: >>>> >>>> I had my vaccination on Thursday (at Plymouth Argyle's stadium, as it goes, and while it wasn't quite in and out in 5 minutes, very well organised) with the Oxford/AstraZenica jab, and I was told that the 15 minute sit-down wasn't necessary with that one. And I was driving, but they didn't even ask. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > >>>> Date: 31/01/2021 07:43 (GMT+00:00) >>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jab >>>> >>>> AZ / Oxford jab for me yesterday. Virtually no queuing and as my wife was driving me, they didn?t insist I waited for ten minutes before leaving. 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